From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 00:03:05 2000 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Duc Valves To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX dude....trust me. i ain't payin no $600 for a valve job and i don't mean to impose, but i've already envisioned my duc in your garage up on your soon-to-be-acquired bike lift! hey, tounges up on the 'rimjob' comment! --- Todd Peer wrote: > From: "Judy La Follette" > Well, now that we are talking Ducati motorcycles, that > got MY attention!!! > > Valves need to be done every 6,000 miles. I am told the > price ranges due to > the fact that some values may need to be adjusted or > shimmed, while others > are ok. However, they still have to break the motor down > to even check > them. They charged me for eight hours of service the > first time, and 10 > hours the second time. > > My first valve job was around $600. The second valve job > was close to a > $1,000, including a 12,000 mile service. I got the > second valve job done at > Battley Cycles, > ------------------------------------------- > $600!! AAAACCCK!! $1000.....Thud! (passes out on > floor)... for a VALVE > JOB! Sounds more like a rim job to me. > > Are you getting this Gimer? If I hear you paid > $600-$1000 for a valve job, > I'll track you down and smash your knees backward! > Fucking Battley Cycles > got to you too early Judy. Stay away from those > dip-shits! > > Word to the wise Judy/Gimer and all other Duc owners, get > on a Ducati list > and find capable hands to help you out. Shit, at those > rates, I'm gonna go > learn how to do it and get into business! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 01:40:19 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: , Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:41:54 -0400 > I agree - the only major reason to buy a Duc750 over an SV is... that you > want a Duc 750 and not an SV :) For me, if I wanted a small bore twin, I'd > get the Ducati... but I'm a Ducati fan, and we're all weirdos to begin with I > guess. > > The one thing I will add that the Duc does have is a better suspension. The > stock SV suspension is WAY too soft. This, of course, is easily remedied and > still brings you in under the cost of a Duc even putting a penske racing > shock on the rear and emulators up front. > > SO in the end... it's all about styling and what you want in a bike. I fell > in love with Ducatis a couple years ago, and to me they are beautiful. > > Subjective is as subjective does ;) > > - Roach You're absolutely right about the suspension. For the riding I do the rear feels just fine but the front is a bit soft. I do understand you're reaction to the Duc. Motorcycles are rather emotional beasts to begin with and there is *something* about Ducatis that raises ones heart rate a bit. If I ever decide to add a second bike to the stable, the SS750i.e. and SS900 will be at the top of the list for consideration. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 07:17:06 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Duc Valves To: Tom Gimer , Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX ooops....sorry for the anal-retentive spellers out there, the correct spelling is 'tongues' --- Tom Gimer wrote: > dude....trust me. i ain't payin no $600 for a valve job > > and i don't mean to impose, but i've already envisioned > my duc in your garage up on your soon-to-be-acquired bike > lift! > > hey, tounges up on the 'rimjob' comment! > > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > ------------------------------------------- > > $600!! AAAACCCK!! $1000.....Thud! (passes out on > > floor)... for a VALVE > > JOB! Sounds more like a rim job to me. > > > > Are you getting this Gimer? If I hear you paid > > $600-$1000 for a valve job, > > I'll track you down and smash your knees backward! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 07:57:41 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:59:08 -0400 To: Corbett B , DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv LOL, Mooschka Camden. Sounds more like an old lady in a babooshka (sp.?) in a Russian film. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 04:15 PM 8/31/00 -0700, Corbett B wrote: >Too Late Jeanette....now we just have to figure out >what your porn name is... First, What is the name of >your very first Pet? Second, What is the first street >address that you can remember living on as a kid? > >Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined >with the name of the street address. >Signed, > >Mittens Amory aka Corbett > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 08:50:50 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:50:14 -0400 Subject: Snipping Judy wrote... >Ok, I am trying to do this snipping thing, etc., Blessed are the snippers, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Rich Crishock IBM Global Services AT&T ADM Account Herndon, Virginia (703) 713-8057 rcrishoc@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 08:56:30 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:55:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv Corbett B wrote: > > Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined > with the name of the street address. > Signed, > > Mittens Amory aka Corbett Damn, with a name like "Shaggy Rt. 19" my porn career is never gonna get off the ground... :) Shaggy -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 09:32:43 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:38:38 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Duc Valves Don't hold anything back, Todd. Tell us what you really think! %^) Chuck Todd Peer wrote: > > $600!! AAAACCCK!! $1000.....Thud! (passes out on floor)... for a VALVE > JOB! Sounds more like a rim job to me. > > Are you getting this Gimer? If I hear you paid $600-$1000 for a valve job, > I'll track you down and smash your knees backward! Fucking Battley Cycles > got to you too early Judy. Stay away from those dip-shits! > > Word to the wise Judy/Gimer and all other Duc owners, get on a Ducati list > and find capable hands to help you out. Shit, at those rates, I'm gonna go > learn how to do it and get into business! From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 09:33:34 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:39:30 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv "Buster Belvedere", aka Chuck, aka Skittles, aka Shooter Corbett B wrote : > > Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined > with the name of the street address. > Signed, > > Mittens Amory aka Corbett From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 09:45:37 2000 Date: 1 Sep 2000 06:45:28 -0700 To: JReazor@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 On Thu, 31 August 2000, "James Reazor" wrote: OK, I must say...LOVE the SV, but hey...it's a DUC! it's kind of like Ford vs. Rolls Royce... ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 09:49:11 2000 Date: 1 Sep 2000 06:49:03 -0700 To: jzell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv Pepper Fort Lee...hmmmm and I always heard the porn name is first pet name and mother's maiden name...???? In that case, Pepper D'Orta. maybe that one works better.... LAG > At 04:15 PM 8/31/00 -0700, Corbett B wrote: > >Too Late Jeanette....now we just have to figure out > >what your porn name is... First, What is the name of > >your very first Pet? Second, What is the first street > >address that you can remember living on as a kid? > > > >Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined > >with the name of the street address. > >Signed, > > > >Mittens Amory aka Corbett > > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 09:57:35 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:56:18 -0400 From: Randy Moran CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv You can call me "Trixie Fairfax." All of my co-stars do. Randy > "Buster Belvedere", aka Chuck, aka Skittles, aka Shooter > "Mittens Amory" aka Corbett From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:04:54 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Pepper Fort Lee...hmmmm > > and I always heard the porn name is first pet name and mother's maiden > name...???? In that case, Pepper D'Orta. maybe that one works > better.... well I guess I'm out of luck then as MY first pet was a female cat called Celopatra! hmmm... either Celo Highland or going by my my mothers maiden name Celo Bagby?! I think Dale's career is goona go better than mine! Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:07:02 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:06:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 At 09:45 AM 9/1/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >OK, I must say...LOVE the SV, but hey...it's a DUC! it's kind of like >Ford vs. Rolls Royce... ;-) Overly expensive and difficult to maintain! Is that a monster parked on the curb next to us Laura? I didn't get a good look and thought it was a SV650 at first. Nice looking bike. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:11:14 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:08:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Jeannette Zell CC: Corbett B , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv Hmmm... Mine is Rusty West. If you're a fan of steamy movies, you've probably heard of me :-) Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > LOL, Mooschka Camden. > Sounds more like an old lady in a babooshka (sp.?) in a Russian film. ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 04:15 PM 8/31/00 -0700, Corbett B wrote: > >Too Late Jeanette....now we just have to figure out > >what your porn name is... First, What is the name of > >your very first Pet? Second, What is the first street > >address that you can remember living on as a kid? > > > >Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined > >with the name of the street address. > >Signed, > > > >Mittens Amory aka Corbett > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:17:48 2000 From: "shelly benson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:17:38 CDT unsubscribe _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:25:06 2000 Date: 1 Sep 2000 07:24:53 -0700 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 On Fri, 01 September 2000, Troutman wrote: > > Is that a monster parked on the curb next to us Laura? I didn't get a good > look and thought it was a SV650 at first. Nice looking bike. > It's an SV. I checked it out last time he was here. It's definitely a beauty. think if I traded mine for his he'd notice???? :-) > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... > They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:31:16 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Pepper Fort Lee...hmmmm > > and I always heard the porn name is first pet name > and mother's maiden name...???? In that case, > Pepper D'Orta. maybe that one works better.... > > LAG i don't know but Pepper Fort Lee is not bad at all.... little bit of spice with some torture :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:36:09 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:35:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: unsubscribe At 10:17 AM 9/1/00 , shelly benson wrote: >unsubscribe How come every time I see these unsubscribe messages flood the list, they are people that have never contributed to a gun thread or squid flame-off? Huh? Why is that? For all of you lurkers out there - do NOT send unsub messages to the list. Go to the dc-cycles.org page to find out how to get off this crazy ride. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:42:00 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:47:52 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe And before they unsub, they need to tell us their porn name! %^) Buster Belvedere Troutman wrote: > > At 10:17 AM 9/1/00 , shelly benson wrote: > >unsubscribe > > How come every time I see these unsubscribe messages flood the list, they > are people that have never contributed to a gun thread or squid > flame-off? Huh? Why is that? > > For all of you lurkers out there - do NOT send unsub messages to the > list. Go to the dc-cycles.org page to find out how to get off this crazy ride. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... > They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:43:05 2000 Date: 1 Sep 2000 07:42:56 -0700 To: matt_ehlert@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv > > i don't know but Pepper Fort Lee is not bad at all.... > little bit of spice with some torture :) Yup, that's me...but it's more like a lot of spice and a little bit of torture. lol. ooopppsss...are we going to get in trouble for not talking m/cs again? :-) LAG > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:45:42 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:44:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:50:30 2000 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:50:18 EDT Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX "Pete Magnolia", aka Sean Jordan Corbett B wrote : > > Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined > with the name of the street address. > Signed, > > Mittens Amory aka Corbett From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:57:05 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:56:50 EDT Subject: Re: I-66 HOV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dale - if he's on a bike, he's on an HOV. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:59:02 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:04:56 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv Yeah, where's Mark Kitchell??? All full of sound and fury signifying nothing!!! %^) LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > i don't know but Pepper Fort Lee is not bad at all.... > > little bit of spice with some torture :) > > Yup, that's me...but it's more like a lot of spice and a little bit of torture. lol. ooopppsss...are we going to get in trouble for not talking m/cs again? > > :-) > > LAG > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:59:48 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:59:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv At 10:42 AM 9/1/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Yup, that's me...but it's more like a lot of spice and a little bit of >torture. lol. ooopppsss...are we going to get in trouble for not talking >m/cs again? I am just happy to keep this subject line going. The porn name thing I heard was to use your middle name and then the street you grew up on. I make the ladies call me... James Maintree ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 10:59:26 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:58:53 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: I-66 HOV To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List I thought that in VA a motorcycle could use the HOV lanes anytime... Is that correct? How about MD? I was on 270 during rush hour last week and didn't see any signs either way. I figured if I was wrong (wasn't about to sit there and let the bike overheat) I could just sneak back into the non-HOV lanes if I saw the law... -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:45 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:00:46 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:00:20 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Jeannette the perv To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , matt_ehlert@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What the hell do porno names have to do with riding motorcycles? :-) -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:43 AM To: matt_ehlert@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv > > i don't know but Pepper Fort Lee is not bad at all.... > little bit of spice with some torture :) Yup, that's me...but it's more like a lot of spice and a little bit of torture. lol. ooopppsss...are we going to get in trouble for not talking m/cs again? :-) LAG > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:02:01 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: I-66 HOV Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:01:44 -0700 I-66 inside the beltway uses the same hours as outside the beltway, but ALL LANES are HOV during the HOV hours. I *think* the hours are 6:30-9:00am and 3:30-7:00pm, but i'm not positive about the morning hours. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:45 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:04:07 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:03:53 EDT Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << ooopppsss...are we going to get in trouble for not talking m/cs again? >> You actually talk motorcycles on this list??? When?? LOL Steve Broadstreet (Fluffy Montgomery)-That will NEVER work! :) Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:06:55 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:06:33 EDT Subject: Re: I-66 HOV To: cledford@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I thought that in VA a motorcycle could use the HOV lanes anytime... Is > that correct? How about MD? Motorcycles are HOVs per Federal Law (Intermodal Surface Transportation Act of 199?). States which derive federal funding for roads must permit motorcycles access to HOV lanes unless the state can prove that it is more dangerous for the m/cs to be there. Virginia and Texas resisted - VA got forced into a two year "trial" and appointed a commission to study the results. VA got bit by its own commission - the findings were that M/Cs are safer in the HOV lane and pose no threat to traffic. Virginia backed down, and the signs now read "HOV-x and Motorcycles". A lot of effort from a lot of folks went in to this Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:08:15 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Chuck Pena'" , LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Jeannette the perv Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:56:30 -0400 Hey! I have been deleting this thread all day.......whats up and why are you insulting me? mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 2:05 PM > To: LAURA GRANATO > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv > > Yeah, where's Mark Kitchell??? All full of sound and fury signifying > nothing!!! %^) > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > > > > i don't know but Pepper Fort Lee is not bad at all.... > > > little bit of spice with some torture :) > > > > Yup, that's me...but it's more like a lot of spice and a little bit of > torture. lol. ooopppsss...are we going to get in trouble for not talking > m/cs again? > > > > :-) > > > > LAG > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:12:54 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: RE: I-66 HOV To: "Ledford, Calvin" , "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > I thought that in VA a motorcycle could use the HOV lanes anytime... Is > that correct? How about MD? I was on 270 during rush hour last week > and > didn't see any signs either way. I figured if I was wrong (wasn't about > to > sit there and let the bike overheat) I could just sneak back into the > non-HOV lanes if I saw the law... Federal law alows MC's to be in ANY HOV lane! this is a great law. about the only one I really like. as for 270 they have real little signs under about every 3-4th HOV sign saying motorcycles OK. can't really see them but they are there. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:13:28 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:12:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-66 HOV MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I thought that in VA a motorcycle could use the HOV lanes anytime... Is > > that correct? How about MD? > > Motorcycles are HOVs per Federal Law (Intermodal Surface Transportation Act > of 199?). Yep, fully understand all this, and glad it's true. I think my friend's question regarding HOVs was more for traffic avoidance in the area, though. Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:20:20 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:20:14 -0700 From: Nelson Fernandez To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv First pets where brother and sister Shepherds named Mea and Malo, lived on Spencer street and my mothers madden name was Hancock (hey I didn't start this thread) So my choices are: Mea Spencer Malo Spencer Mea Hancock Malo Hancock Maybe I'll let my agent decide 8 P And just to keep myself out of trouble here is the motorcycle related part of the message. Why is it that every time I put on the rain suit it doesn't rain (producing enough heat to make you want to pass out) yet every time I go "no, its going to hold out long enough for me to get home" does the sky always open up and I end up stuck under some over pass trying to get my rain gear on over my now wet cloths? Nelson From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:22:32 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: I-66 HOV Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:21:47 -0400 I'm interested in the second part of this question. I may be doing more travelling on business. I'd like to know about airport mc parking at BWI, National and Dulles. As for HOV hours, if you're on an mc, the hours don't matter. You qualify 24/7. For cages 66 is HOV-2 only during rush hours. If you're going to or from Dulles you can use it driving solo during HOV hours. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles List Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: I-66 HOV > Hey all, > > Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next > week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I > thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not > sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike > at National for a few days? > > Much thanks, > Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:27:00 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:32:43 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: Mark Kitchell CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv Because I can! %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Hey! I have been deleting this thread all day.......whats up and why are > you insulting me? From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:30:20 2000 Date: 1 Sep 2000 08:30:10 -0700 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv On Fri, 01 September 2000, Troutman wrote: > > I make the ladies call me... > > James Maintree That's a cool one. But...how does rhonda feel about that one??? ;-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... > They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:30:49 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:29:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Nelson Fernandez CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Why is it that every time I put on the rain suit it doesn't rain > (producing enough heat to make you want to pass out) My experience with traditional bike rainsuits is that I sweated so much underneath them I felt just as wet as if I had been riding without one. I'm so glad my Gerbing Ultimate suit is (fairly) waterproof and breathable. The crash protection and electrically heated liners top and bottom are just gravy. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:33:35 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: I-66 HOV Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:32:57 -0400 The morning hours are correct. The evening hours, however are actually 4:00 PM to 6:30 PM on I-66, I'm not sure about I-395. Cedric Subject: RE: I-66 HOV I-66 inside the beltway uses the same hours as outside the beltway, but ALL LANES are HOV during the HOV hours. I *think* the hours are 6:30-9:00am and 3:30-7:00pm, but i'm not positive about the morning hours. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:45 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:37:19 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I-66 HOV Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:18:21 -0400 Motorcycles are allowed on HOV at all times. I-66 is HOV only during "rush" hours, and then only in the direction of the rush, as far as I know. I parked my broken down motorcycle in the National lot, pushing it off GW parkway and into the lot. The attendant there forced me to get a parking ticket, which I did. The next day I showed up with my mechanic to tow the bike out of there. We got a ticket upon entry, loaded up the bike onto the pickup truck with the assistance of a nearby parking attendant, and drove out about 15 minutes later. The booth person looked at our ticket and let us out for free since we'd been there less than 30 minutes. I quickly tore up my bike ticket and enjoyed some money saved (other than the tow, of course). On the other hand, it just goes to show how easily a bike might be stolen out of one of those lots. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:45 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:45:20 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I-66 HOV Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:43:17 -0400 I-395 are ~7am-9am or so coming in to DC, and 3:30pm-6:00pm going out from DC. 6pm is entirely too early, and I often have to haul ass through DC to get on the HOV lanes before it clogs up completely at 6. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:33 AM To: 'DC Cycles List' Subject: RE: I-66 HOV The morning hours are correct. The evening hours, however are actually 4:00 PM to 6:30 PM on I-66, I'm not sure about I-395. Cedric Subject: RE: I-66 HOV I-66 inside the beltway uses the same hours as outside the beltway, but ALL LANES are HOV during the HOV hours. I *think* the hours are 6:30-9:00am and 3:30-7:00pm, but i'm not positive about the morning hours. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:45 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:47:59 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: I-66 HOV Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:47:39 -0700 Did they change the hours recently? I commuted that way on 66 for a long time, and I know for a fact that it used to be 7:00 when the green arrows changed to red Xs and the HOV lane became accessible to all commuters. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:33 AM To: 'DC Cycles List' Subject: RE: I-66 HOV The morning hours are correct. The evening hours, however are actually 4:00 PM to 6:30 PM on I-66, I'm not sure about I-395. Cedric Subject: RE: I-66 HOV I-66 inside the beltway uses the same hours as outside the beltway, but ALL LANES are HOV during the HOV hours. I *think* the hours are 6:30-9:00am and 3:30-7:00pm, but i'm not positive about the morning hours. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:45 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 11:52:39 2000 From: "Han Park" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:52:19 -0400 Okay, I was thinking about getting a rainsuit, but all the cheap ones are just PVC rubber or something unbreathable like that. What are people's experience with these types of suits? Are they unbearably hot (even in the rain)? If that's the case I'd rather just go with some nylon sweat pants and a windbreaker type pullover for a rain suit. Any comments? Also where can I get a rainsuit, I went to Powerride and Cyclesports and they've only got a few suits on the shelves. han ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman To: Nelson Fernandez Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv > Nelson Fernandez wrote: > > > Why is it that every time I put on the rain suit it doesn't rain > > (producing enough heat to make you want to pass out) > > My experience with traditional bike rainsuits is that I sweated so much > underneath them I felt just as wet as if I had been riding without > one. I'm so glad my Gerbing Ultimate suit is (fairly) waterproof and > breathable. The crash protection and electrically heated liners top and > bottom are just gravy. :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 12:05:19 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:05:17 -0700 From: Nelson Fernandez To: Christopher Weaver CC: bernescut@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: Re: I-66 HOV 4:00 to 6:30 inside the beltway and 3:30 (or is that 3:00) to 7:00 outside Thank God for HOV Nelson Christopher Weaver wrote: > Did they change the hours recently? I commuted that way on 66 for a long > time, and I know for a fact that it used to be 7:00 when the green arrows > changed to red Xs and the HOV lane became accessible to all commuters. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:33 AM > To: 'DC Cycles List' > Subject: RE: I-66 HOV > > The morning hours are correct. The evening hours, however are actually 4:00 > PM to 6:30 PM on I-66, I'm not sure about I-395. > Cedric > > Subject: RE: I-66 HOV > > I-66 inside the beltway uses the same hours as outside the beltway, but ALL > LANES are HOV during the HOV hours. I *think* the hours are 6:30-9:00am and > 3:30-7:00pm, but i'm not positive about the morning hours. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:45 AM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: I-66 HOV > > Hey all, > > Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next > week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I > thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not > sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike > at National for a few days? > > Much thanks, > Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 12:28:15 2000 To: "Han Park" Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:27:51 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en I got my FieldSheer suit of Nylon/Plyamide at the Woodbridge store which used to be Coleman's. At the back of the store, near the tires is a bin full of these suits for $40!! Most are black and purple and range in size from L to XXL. There was like 1 small and 2 M's last week. They are a bargain IMO. I've worn the suit several times since. It breathes reasonablly, is not very hot even over full leathers. Though it did take some effort to get into the jacket since my jacket's forearm and shoulder armor pads are pretty big around. All seams are taped AND sealed. It's a steal if you ask me. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 12:32:55 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:32:46 EDT Subject: Re: I-66 HOV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX pawilson@XXXXXX writes: << I'd like to know about airport mc parking at BWI, National and Dulles. >> I work at National...what would you like to know? Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 12:34:21 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:34:21 -0700 From: Nelson Fernandez To: Han Park CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) While the PVC/Nylon does get really hot when it doesn't rain it isn't to bad when it actually rains. On the plus side if you ride in the winter like many of us do that pvc really helps on the really cold days and it work for snow too 8 ). My Duratrack Jacket, like Dale's Gerbing is "rain resistant" (like the way I put that) so my top end stays dry if its only a light rain or sprinkle. When it lets loose like it has been here recently, it just doesn't cut the mustard. It's definitely a love/hate relationship but I will always keep it in the bag just in case. For the most part if you want to stay 100% dry you have to except the fact that its going to be like a ready bake over, at least for the money I have to spend on a suit. Nelson P.S. As of 11:48 I am officialy 34. Dooooh Han Park wrote: > Okay, I was thinking about getting a rainsuit, From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 12:42:12 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: I-66 HOV Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:41:40 -0400 I'll double check the signs tonight, usually its a blur when I go by :) but several of my co-workers sit around until 6:30 expressly to catch the non-HOV hours in their cages. However, there may be a difference between inside the beltway and outside, I switch to 495 when I get there and the HOV lane only starts after that, so I would defer to your information for that part of the route. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 2:48 PM To: bernescut@XXXXXX; 'DC Cycles List' Subject: RE: I-66 HOV Did they change the hours recently? I commuted that way on 66 for a long time, and I know for a fact that it used to be 7:00 when the green arrows changed to red Xs and the HOV lane became accessible to all commuters. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:33 AM To: 'DC Cycles List' Subject: RE: I-66 HOV The morning hours are correct. The evening hours, however are actually 4:00 PM to 6:30 PM on I-66, I'm not sure about I-395. Cedric Subject: RE: I-66 HOV I-66 inside the beltway uses the same hours as outside the beltway, but ALL LANES are HOV during the HOV hours. I *think* the hours are 6:30-9:00am and 3:30-7:00pm, but i'm not positive about the morning hours. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:45 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 12:57:10 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:56:57 EDT Subject: Re: I-66 HOV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << Did they change the hours recently? I commuted that way on 66 for a long time, and I know for a fact that it used to be 7:00 >> It is 7... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 12:57:29 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: I-66 HOV Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:54:44 -0400 Reduced rates for mcs, special parking areas, potential garage hassles with gates, etc. TIA Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: I-66 HOV > pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > << I'd like to know about airport mc parking at BWI, > National and Dulles. >> > > I work at National...what would you like to know? > > Steve Broadstreet > Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 13:09:39 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:09:04 EDT Subject: Re: I-66 HOV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX pawilson@XXXXXX writes: << Reduced rates for mcs, special parking areas, potential garage hassles with gates, etc. >> OK...I'll check. I park my bike in my shop so I don't know offhand, but I'll look into it. If anyone needs a place to park their bike when flying out of National I'll try to work with you so you can leave it in my shop. I also have a bike-lift and tools in there... :) Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 13:18:45 2000 From: "Doug Allis" To: jzell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rain Sucks, Well Yes! Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:18:19 GMT I've seen all the "ribbing" Jennette got on this before I saw what she actually said. A real funny lot! Anyway I decided several years ago (after about 4 months of commuting up and down 395) to ditch the rainsuit -- they ALL leave you sweating and wet, even in the morning, EXCEPT that is when its cold enough to freeze inside one! If you commute or ride a lot in the rain (and who doesn't around here?) consider investing in something like an Aerostich two piece suit. I've got a (much cheaper) Firstgear Kilmanjaro jacket (and pants) that has lots of vents -- and I usually leave several open in the rain. I've never gotten wet at all in this. Granted these are not the not the most fashionable outfits... color choice is much like Henry Ford's model T -- dark red, dark blue, black and blacker. Oh I almost forgot the reflective silver stripes. >LOL, ask anyone on this list who knows me if I fear rain. >I don't. : ) >Just don't like getting all wet in the morning. > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >At 10:05 AM 8/31/00 -0400, Paul A. Wilson wrote: > >In this area you definitely have to get over fears about riding in the >rain, > >or you'll be one frustrated pup. I haven't curtailed my activities too > >much, although I like to wrap up my weekend rides by mid afternoon to >avoid > >the thunderstorms that tend to boil up late in the day. > > > >Paul A. Wilson > >Washington DC > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jeannette Zell > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:46 AM > >Subject: This Rain Sucks > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 13:22:25 2000 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:22:13 EDT Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/1/00 10:52:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time: << > Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined > with the name of the street address. > Signed, > > Mittens Amory aka Corbett >> Hi, Im Daiquiri Battery . Umm too bad Im male, it would be a pretty good porn name for a female.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 13:54:27 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:54:08 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: , , I guess mine would be Teddy 1. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2000 8:03:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeannette Zell writes: << LOL, Mooschka Camden. Sounds more like an old lady in a babooshka (sp.?) in a Russian film. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 04:15 PM 8/31/00 -0700, Corbett B wrote: >Too Late Jeanette....now we just have to figure out >what your porn name is... First, What is the name of >your very first Pet? Second, What is the first street >address that you can remember living on as a kid? > >Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined >with the name of the street address. >Signed, > >Mittens Amory aka Corbett > >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:02:13 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:01:55 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I-66 HOV To: , , You are correct. All of the HOV lanes in the DC Metro area are motorcycle friendly. For the cagers coming into DC, all inbound lanes of 66 are HOV only inside the beltway during morning rush hour. Leaving DC, it's all outbound lanes are HOV during evening rush hour. Hope this helps. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:02:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ledford, Calvin" writes: << I thought that in VA a motorcycle could use the HOV lanes anytime... Is that correct? How about MD? I was on 270 during rush hour last week and didn't see any signs either way. I figured if I was wrong (wasn't about to sit there and let the bike overheat) I could just sneak back into the non-HOV lanes if I saw the law... -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:45 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: I-66 HOV Hey all, Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport next week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the beltway? I thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but I'm not sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a bike at National for a few days? Much thanks, Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:07:49 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:07:37 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv To: Cc: You have a few more choices than that. You could hyphenate and go with: Mea-Malo Spencer Mea-Malo Hancock Mea Spencer-Hancock Malo Spencer-Hancock or Mama Mea-Malo Spencer-Hancock Definitely think you should keep the Hancock in there though. :-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:22:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nelson Fernandez writes: << First pets where brother and sister Shepherds named Mea and Malo, lived on Spencer street and my mothers madden name was Hancock (hey I didn't start this thread) So my choices are: Mea Spencer Malo Spencer Mea Hancock Malo Hancock Maybe I'll let my agent decide 8 P And just to keep myself out of trouble here is the motorcycle related part of the message. Why is it that every time I put on the rain suit it doesn't rain (producing enough heat to make you want to pass out) yet every time I go "no, its going to hold out long enough for me to get home" does the sky always open up and I end up stuck under some over pass trying to get my rain gear on over my now wet cloths? Nelson >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:08:56 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: I-66 HOV To: SBave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > try to work with you so you can leave it in my shop. > I also have a bike-lift > and tools in there... :) Steve that's great offer! i guess it would be pushing it a little to ask for the keys to the hawker jet to use for our trips! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:12:37 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:12:23 EDT Subject: Fwd: I-66 HOV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_57.ab01b25.26e14b87_boundary --part1_57.ab01b25.26e14b87_boundary From: SBave@XXXXXX Full-name: SBave Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:11:33 EDT Subject: Re: I-66 HOV To: matt_ehlert@XXXXXX matt_ehlert@XXXXXX writes: << i guess it would be pushing it a little to ask for the keys to the hawker jet to use for our trips! >> Sure...just bring $1200/hr and I'd be glad too! (food is included BTW) :) Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA --part1_57.ab01b25.26e14b87_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:15:32 2000 Errors-To: From: "Dave Cross" To: Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:16:57 -0400 > Okay, I was thinking about getting a rainsuit, but all the cheap ones > are just PVC rubber or something unbreathable like that. What are people's > experience with these types of suits I have an almost new tourmaster rainsuit that on paper looks great. The suite is really high quality with lots of little nice touches like a lined collar, pockets, vent in the back, reflective tape, etc. however after using it a couple of times I decided that it is way too hot to wear in the summer. By the time I got home from my 45 minute commute I was soaking wet from all the sweat built up from wearing a leather jacket and rainsuit over top. It was so bad that the next time it rained I just wore the rainsuit over my short sleeve shirt, and thus putting myself at risk. I have since purchased a FirstGear Kilimanjaro jacket which seems to be waterproof in the moderate rains I have experienced so far. For Pants I am using a pair of Columbia Gortex rain paints that I purchased for hiking and that I wear over jeans/pants. The Gortex breaths well and is much cooler than the rainsuit was. I tried a Gortex rain jacket that I bought for hiking as well, however it was too loose fitting and flapped around in the wind a lot. I'm very happy with my combination Kilimanjaro jacket and Gortex rain pants. The tourmaster rainsuit is for sale. I paid about 60 bucks for it but would gladly trade it for a six pack of Sam Adams and a nickel. I don't plan on ever buying a rainsuit again. Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:28:45 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:28:18 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) To: Cc: Or you could just be like me and just ride in the rain. If you're gonna get wet from the sweat, why not get wet from the rain. You'll smell better when you reach your destination and won't have to take a shower. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2000 2:19:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Dave Cross" writes: << > Okay, I was thinking about getting a rainsuit, but all the cheap ones > are just PVC rubber or something unbreathable like that. What are people's > experience with these types of suits I have an almost new tourmaster rainsuit that on paper looks great. The suite is really high quality with lots of little nice touches like a lined collar, pockets, vent in the back, reflective tape, etc. however after using it a couple of times I decided that it is way too hot to wear in the summer. By the time I got home from my 45 minute commute I was soaking wet from all the sweat built up from wearing a leather jacket and rainsuit over top. It was so bad that the next time it rained I just wore the rainsuit over my short sleeve shirt, and thus putting myself at risk. I have since purchased a FirstGear Kilimanjaro jacket which seems to be waterproof in the moderate rains I have experienced so far. For Pants I am using a pair of Columbia Gortex rain paints that I purchased for hiking and that I wear over jeans/pants. The Gortex breaths well and is much cooler than the rainsuit was. I tried a Gortex rain jacket that I bought for hiking as well, however it was too loose fitting and flapped around in the wind a lot. I'm very happy with my combination Kilimanjaro jacket and Gortex rain pants. The tourmaster rainsuit is for sale. I paid about 60 bucks for it but would gladly trade it for a six pack of Sam Adams and a nickel. I don't plan on ever buying a rainsuit again. Dave >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:29:16 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:29:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Han Park cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) > Also where can I get a rainsuit, I went to Powerride and Cyclesports and > they've only got a few suits on the shelves. > http://www.aerostitch.com ? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:29:48 2000 From: "Doug Allis" To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:29:37 GMT For Pants I am >using a pair of Columbia Gortex rain paints that I purchased for hiking and >that I wear over jeans/pants. The Gortex breaths well and is much cooler >than the rainsuit was. I tried a Gortex rain jacket that I bought for >hiking as well, however it was too loose fitting and flapped around in the >wind a lot. > >I'm very happy with my combination Kilimanjaro jacket and Gortex rain >pants. Are the Goretex pants the Firstgear pair that go with the Kilmanjaro jacket? If so you've got the same combination I've had for about 3 or 4 yeears. I got mine when they first came out. You won't get wet unless you fall into a puddle or the Pooptowmack River. If the pants are not the matching set, you probably do not have enough leg protection though. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 14:57:07 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:53:17 -0400 I have a pair of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants and a Fieldsheer "water resistant" cordura jacket that does pretty well in the rain. I've been caught in several heavy downpours on freeways and stayed dry in this combo. The JR pants do tend to leak in the crotch area after thirty minutes or so, but I've heard the same complaint with other pants too. The seepage is compounded by riding a bike with no fairing. It seems like all the water that hits the front of your body ends up running down onto the seat and into the crotch area. The JR pants are vented but they still get pretty toasty above 80. They really cut the wind and are great in temps down into the twenties, with several layers underneath. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson Fernandez > While the PVC/Nylon does get really hot when it doesn't rain it isn't to bad > when it actually rains. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 15:50:50 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:50:35 EDT Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Your porn name will be your first pet's name combined > > with the name of the street address. This thread is too good to let go, so here are mine: dog + 1st house = Bo Utterback cat + 2nd house = Buster Thimbleberry I swear this one's true! Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 16:21:31 2000 Errors-To: From: "Dave Cross" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:21:24 -0400 > The JR pants do tend to leak in the crotch area after thirty minutes or so, > but I've heard the same Ya, and I'm sure there is no better way to make an impression than getting off your bike, taking off your rain gear and being perfectly dry except for a wet spot on your crotch. dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 16:55:03 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Deals Gap trip?? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:46:00 -0400 VTRMan wrote: Change of subject: To all V-twin riders, I just put a full M4 system on my superhawk this past weekend and love them!! They make an amazing sound and give a huge boost to performance. All pieces were flawless out of the box, and fit perfectly to install. I'd recommend them to anyone. Finally, I've been talking to some people about a trip to Deal's Gap next weekend. http://www.dealsgap.com/ Shoot me an email if you're interested! Matt ------------------------------------------ Hey Big Matty, What did you have in mind? Camping or motel? I've been participating in an extended rally that requires pictures of my bike a rally towel and different town names. I might be interested in coming with, and maybe picking up some towns in the process. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 16:56:40 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:56:36 -0400 From: Larry Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv You guys haven't been following the hot naming trends in porn ... the single name. Since I've never had a pet, that makes me ... Summerset. Serious gender problems here. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 (very manly) From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 16:59:06 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:58:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Han Park CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rainsuits (was Jeanette the perv) Got a fair rainsuit - lotta zips and velcro closures and pockets. Bibs for pants, like ski bibs. Keeps me dry but it is sultry in the heat. When it's toasty I just get wet and go for the blow dry. (DOWN PERVS!) Pricey and breatable - Goretex - is they way to go for those who challange the elements when it's steamy out and must stay dry. Bill human body is waterproof - proven daily in the shower Han Park wrote: > Okay, I was thinking about getting a rainsuit, but all the cheap ones > are just PVC rubber or something unbreathable like that. What are people's > experience with these types of suits? Are they unbearably hot (even in the > rain)? If that's the case I'd rather just go with some nylon sweat pants > and a windbreaker type pullover for a rain suit. Any comments? > Also where can I get a rainsuit, I went to Powerride and Cyclesports and > they've only got a few suits on the shelves. > > han > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Horstman > To: Nelson Fernandez > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv > > > Nelson Fernandez wrote: > > > > > Why is it that every time I put on the rain suit it doesn't rain > > > (producing enough heat to make you want to pass out) > > > > My experience with traditional bike rainsuits is that I sweated so much > > underneath them I felt just as wet as if I had been riding without > > one. I'm so glad my Gerbing Ultimate suit is (fairly) waterproof and > > breathable. The crash protection and electrically heated liners top and > > bottom are just gravy. :) > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 17:15:18 2000 From: bergman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: exhaust help needed ASAP Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:12:25 -0400 So, I'm riding to work this morning, and just as I make the sharp left onto the restricted HOV lane of the highway (395), I hear a scraping sound and something doesn't feel/sound right. I pull over and discover that my muffler fell off! OK, I managed to find it (scratched, dented, etc., but not run over) and save it. The old muffler _might_ be re-usable, but here's my excuse to put on a lighter aftermarket slip-on muffler. I'm riding a Yamaha GTS, and literally no one makes a pipe for it. I'm prepared to use a pipe or muffler that's meant for another bike. I think the fuel injection system should handle anything that's not too far out. I know some people have used the V&H SS2, but some have reported a serious loss in low-end power, others are happy with the YZF750 version. Anyway, does anyone have a suggestion for a lightweight muffler that won't be much louder and won't detract from the engine power? Ideally, I'd like to buy something locally tomorrow so I can get it together (including having any connecting pipes made) in time to head to Canada on Thursday. I've called some of the local shops, but very few places have pipes (or just the muffler) in stock. If you've got immediate info, send a short message to bergman-pager@XXXXXX otherwise e-mail the list. Thanks, Mark ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 18:08:38 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Help a poor girl out Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:17:50 -0400 OK, before I ask the following questions, just remember I'm a girl (sometimes that excuse still works) and haven't learned all of this stuff yet...so go easy on me when I ask these questions :-) My chain needs a major lubricating job...have only done it once since I've had bike (ooops!). So, heat the chain up with my hair dryer (just kidding!), anyways...heat the chain up as I was told to, went the WD-40 route....sprayed it on putting a rag behind it as not to spray anything else...grabbed the only scrubbing thing I had around, a new toothbrush, and scrubbed away at it. Let it sit for a little while. Then washed it off with a damp rag. So, first question: was that the correct method??? second question: I still have spots of rust on the chain...so how the hell do I get those off? I swear I scrubbed as hard as I could. Any and all information or tips would be appreciated! Thanks! :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 19:51:53 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:50:15 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: Laura Granato Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out * Laura Granato (lgranato@XXXXXX) [000901 18:12]: > with a damp rag. So, first question: was that the correct method??? Ummm... in future, get a Honda or Maxim chain lube, and use it as finishing touch for a nice day of riding. WD-40 works best on X/O-ring chains, which have lubricant in the chain; all what it does is to clean/dissolve water. > second question: I still have spots of rust on the chain...so how the hell > do I get those off? I swear I scrubbed as hard as I could. Any and all > information or tips would be appreciated! Thanks! :-) > I see a new chain/sprocket in future. get in touch with todd peer; he is very knowledgeable and helpful.. or pick another victim for a wrenching session. > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 19:54:33 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Porn Names Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:45:31 -0400 Bruno Hileman here. You know, from the German shista films....(p-U) ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 20:08:43 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Chain Clean and Lube Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:59:41 -0400 LAG wrote: My chain needs a major lubricating job.. ----------------------------------------- Mine too :-) But seriously, kerosene is the way to clean. Hopefully your bike has a center stand. But if not, a swing-arm service stand is always a nice investment. Doing this work is so much easier if the rear wheel can fly. I have a "Grunge Brush" which is essentially a short bristle brush that has three faces (shaping a U). Dip brush and scrub, scrub, scrub. Move chain, repeat. The kerosene/bristle combo does a real good job of loosening all the built up grime. I think I've seen the "Grunge Brush" at local bike shops. Worth it. Then take a clean rag and, as you are moving the rear-wheel, grab the chain to wipe it down. Fold rag, repeat, repeat, repeat. Eventually you will get something that looks like a clean chain. Take the bike out for a few laps, come back and lube. Or be lazy like me and just lube it. I know some people swear by WD-40, but remember it is a pentrating lubricant and will get past your o-rings. Your call. I use PJ-1 because it streams out the nozzle. Otherwise I'd use SAE90 (a little messier). Can't help you with the rust especially if it is just stained rust. If it is flaky, just scrub it off. Hope all this helps. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 21:41:01 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:40:21 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out Been awhile (belt drive now), but WD-40 blows. It displaces water - good thing - but isn't a good long life lube. I reckon it works for cleaning but kerosene or varsol (hdwr store) is better and way cheaper and won't mess with the O-rings. I thought the PJ-lubes were gummy and stuck to 90 wgt oil. In sub-cold wetehr the frigging PJ crap would *glue* the chain links together and for the first ten or so miles the chain would actually rise and slap the top of the chain gaurd. I wouldn't sweat the rust. I'm assuming your talking a slight orange glow on the chain plates. BFD - Big Frigging Deal. Lube and ride, rust be gone where it counts - everything else is cosmetic. Tell the truth, I never brushed the cahin down - just soaked it in kero and scrubbed the big pieces off with a rag. Bill Laura Granato wrote: > OK, before I ask the following questions, just remember I'm a girl > (sometimes that excuse still works) and haven't learned all of this stuff > yet...so go easy on me when I ask these questions :-) > > My chain needs a major lubricating job...have only done it once since I've > had bike (ooops!). So, heat the chain up with my hair dryer (just > kidding!), anyways...heat the chain up as I was told to, went the WD-40 > route....sprayed it on putting a rag behind it as not to spray anything > else...grabbed the only scrubbing thing I had around, a new toothbrush, and > scrubbed away at it. Let it sit for a little while. Then washed it off > with a damp rag. So, first question: was that the correct method??? > second question: I still have spots of rust on the chain...so how the hell > do I get those off? I swear I scrubbed as hard as I could. Any and all > information or tips would be appreciated! Thanks! :-) > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 21:42:23 2000 From: bergman@XXXXXX To: "Laura Granato" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:37:14 -0400 In your message dated: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:17:50 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => OK, before I ask the following questions, just remember I'm a girl => (sometimes that excuse still works) and haven't learned all of this stuff => yet...so go easy on me when I ask these questions :-) Check out: http://www.womanmotorist.com/motorcycles/features/ep-bikefriend.shtml => => My chain needs a major lubricating job...have only done it once since I've => had bike (ooops!). So, heat the chain up with my hair dryer (just And how long has that been? How many miles does the chain have in total? My guideline was to lube the chain every ~600 miles (more often after riding in the rain or in dusty/sandy/diry conditions), with a possible "clean" at every lube. I never bothered to go through the whole procedure of removing the chain to thoroughly clean it. => kidding!), anyways...heat the chain up as I was told to, went the WD-40 => route....sprayed it on putting a rag behind it as not to spray anything => else...grabbed the only scrubbing thing I had around, a new toothbrush, and => scrubbed away at it. Let it sit for a little while. Then washed it off => with a damp rag. So, first question: was that the correct method??? Well, it's not what I would do. My procedure was: ride to heat up the chain spray it down with WD40 only if it's dirty enough to need a cleaning, rather than just a lube. You don't want to leave a lot of abrasive grit on the chain, particularly if you use a lube that stays tacky. I'd usually use enough WD40 that it would drip lightly from the chain, then wipe as much off as I could while spinning the rear wheel. OK, when that's done, let the chain sit for a few minutes more to allow the solvent to evaporate, then apply the lube of your choice. If you're really concerned, you could actually ride the bike a bit first, as you should try to lube the chain while it's warm. I'm very fond of Chain Wax as my lubricant of choice. It's also a great way to protect tools, guns (there, I said the "G" word), etc. that will need to be stored for a long time. I'd never make the last step wiping the chain with a damp rag. What you did was remove the surface layer of dirt & lube with the WD40, then remove the WD40, leaving a film of water. No good. For me, the whole cleaning & lubing process evolved...I started doing the clean & lube thing as described above (actually, I confess that when I first learned to ride, I really didn't know !*(!@# and I never cleaned or lubed or adjusted the chain). The next step was to use the "grunge brush" that someone else mentioned. It works, but it's really not portable if you're doing a lot of touring. I then tried the Z Chain Oiler . It's like a 4-sided box with brushes and small holes inside. The box opens, and has a fitting for a spray can. You close it around the chain, spray cleaner onto the chain while spinning the rear wheel, wipe down the chain, then spray lube. Done! Much less mess, much more effective, and the whole contraption fits in a sandwich-sized zip lock baggie for touring. Here's a better description. This product is not it exactly, but it's quite close. Now, I don't use any of that stuff, even though the GTS has a chain. I've got a ScottOiler, which dispenses a small amount (~2 drops/minute) of light oil (in this case Dextron II ATF fluid) on the chain when the engine is running. Instead of going through a "clean/apply sticky lube/collect dirt/have dirt & lube act as a lapping paste and wear out the chain/clean" cycle, I just add about 500CC of ATF fluid every 3~4000 miles. The oil keeps the chain lubricated and literally washes away solid particles. When adjusted properly, the "fling" mess is about the same as chain lube. My chain has about 23K miles on it, and is about 1/3 of "adjusted" on the swingarm. At this rate, I expect to get ~35K out of the chain (and yes, I know that the wear isn't linear). The cost of the ScottOiler? The touring kit (with the larger reservoir) goes for about the cost of 15 large spray cans of WD40 and Chain Wax, or about 2/3 the price of a chain & sprockets, not counting labor. => second question: I still have spots of rust on the chain...so how the hell => do I get those off? I swear I scrubbed as hard as I could. Any and all => information or tips would be appreciated! Thanks! :-) Sometime's I've seen rust spots, particularly if the bike hasn't been ridden for many days and it's wet. I usually just ignore them, knowing that the mechanical motion of riding will loosen them, and once the chain warms up and dries thoroughly, the lube will encapsulate the rust. => => Laura Granato => '99 Suzuki GS500 => => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 23:07:10 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:06:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out At 09:40 PM 9/1/2000 , Bill Huson wrote: >- but isn't a good long life lube. I reckon it works for cleaning but >kerosene >or varsol (hdwr store) is better and way cheaper and won't mess with the >O-rings. Hasn't this issue been hashed out enough in Usenet, on the VFR list, and on this list Bill? WD-40 does not attack the O-Rings. It will allow surface rust if you don't ride often or lube ever ~400 miles or so though. Tsubaki recommends WD-40 as a cleaner and lubricant. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 23:08:05 2000 From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help a poor girl out Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:07:55 EDT Oh, No. Now you've done it. After all the porn name threads (Lefty Devilwood here BTW), you had to open the dreaded lube chain one. Better get a new delete key ready :p Rob (LD) '98 VFR800 PS. That's a good way to regularly clean the chain, but it still needs to be lubed after. Chain Wax for example. How does the chain of that SV next to you look? LOL From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Help a poor girl out Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:17:50 -0400 OK, before I ask the following questions, just remember I'm a girl (sometimes that excuse still works) and haven't learned all of this stuff yet...so go easy on me when I ask these questions :-) My chain needs a major lubricating job...have only done it once since I've had bike (ooops!). So, heat the chain up with my hair dryer (just kidding!), anyways...heat the chain up as I was told to, went the WD-40 route....sprayed it on putting a rag behind it as not to spray anything else...grabbed the only scrubbing thing I had around, a new toothbrush, and scrubbed away at it. Let it sit for a little while. Then washed it off with a damp rag. So, first question: was that the correct method??? second question: I still have spots of rust on the chain...so how the hell do I get those off? I swear I scrubbed as hard as I could. Any and all information or tips would be appreciated! Thanks! :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 1 23:55:59 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:55:21 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out Actually, I prefer CRC 5-56 or 5-66 - forget the number - blue-green can available in marine stores. Way better than WD-40. I used all the *right* stuff on my o-ring and it went belly up in 12K. Said fug this and replaced it with a regular chain. Used CRC and CRC chain lube and basic 90 weight and it lasted longer than the o-ring, as did the couple standard chains after that one. The real answer, of course, is BELT DRIVE!!! Yahoo! Maintenance - peek at it every 10K - tweak it to see if the play is right - ride. Bill Troutman wrote: > At 09:40 PM 9/1/2000 , Bill Huson wrote: > >- but isn't a good long life lube. I reckon it works for cleaning but > >kerosene > >or varsol (hdwr store) is better and way cheaper and won't mess with the > >O-rings. > > Hasn't this issue been hashed out enough in Usenet, on the VFR list, and on > this list Bill? WD-40 does not attack the O-Rings. It will allow surface > rust if you don't ride often or lube ever ~400 miles or so though. Tsubaki > recommends WD-40 as a cleaner and lubricant. > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 02:36:15 2000 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1972 02:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bill Huson cc: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out > > The real answer, of course, is BELT DRIVE!!! Yahoo! Maintenance - peek at it > every 10K - tweak it to see if the play is right - ride. Or enclosed chain, as with CT-90. Add kickstarter, fork boots, headlight switch, and a few other odds and ends, and you've got the makings of a long-lasting bike---like my 1978 GS-750. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 03:08:35 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:00:49 -0400 OK... now I'm insulted. Well, not really. Just for fun I repeated your Ford comment on the SV Rider list and it kept me entertained for most of the night at work. Most of those guys would rather liken the comparison to a Corvette and Ferrari. Bryan wont want to hear the reasoning that :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 > On Thu, 31 August 2000, "James Reazor" wrote: > > OK, I must say...LOVE the SV, but hey...it's a DUC! it's kind of like Ford vs. Rolls Royce... ;-) > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 12:21:57 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: '99 SV for sale Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:56:04 -0400 Blue, 2300 miles. Has been down: broken tach, tank has dent ~3" dia., small scratch on frame, repaired rear brake lever. Stock, looks great otherwise, runs great, rides great. I bought this thinking I would make it a 2nd race bike or a weekend play bike, also to commute. Need to sell it to continue to support the racing effort and I found a better daily commute. I don't need 2 street bikes and can't afford both. This would make a great race bike or street bike. Clear title asking $4200. Located in Northern Virginia area. Please e-mail me off list for pictures or questions. Thanks, Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 12:47:47 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Fuckin Maryland Cops] Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:53:49 -0700 Sounds like a troll to me. If any of that had happened I would have heard about it. sum ting wong is full of shyt too because the 395 story is all twisted. He just read the washington post article and took liberties with it... or well, probably failed to comprehend what he read actually. it's gotta be a troll as well.. they guy talks about dc sportbike but didn't post at dc sportbike... you should post telling him to invite them to captial raceway on friday hehe. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 12:49:59 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 93 honda cbr 600 For sale $4000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:55:57 -0700 www.mousetrapracing.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 13:44:35 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mouse trap racing Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:50:34 -0700 |>a couple questions: |>$55/hour? are these certified m/c mechanics? Don't know... but I do know that they know what they're doing. They're not a "coleman hire a kid, to turn a wrench type of operation". They build and race bikes. It's a family thing. brothers, sons, nephews, uncles, etc. Right now the man in charge is Mouse (dion) and he has his uncle working as a mechanic.. he's an older gentleman so it trips me out to see him hop on a dirtbike and take it for a test ride. hehe. Their adventures of late have been throwing nobbies on street bikes and running the dirt 1/4 mile... talking about 8 second 1/4 mile races in the dirt! (dunno if they said that was THEIR time, but they were saying those are the type of times achievable). It sounds scary to me! also talked about running banshee's with wheelie bars (up in the dirt?) that can hang in the 1/4 mile with XX blackbirds. I think currently they are building one with wheelie bars and a gsxr 750 engine in it. We'll probably bring it to the showroom for display. As of late they've been into dirt bike racing. Everyone is invited to come by and talk about bikes or racing.. I can guarantee you it's entertaining. I recall dion saying he has a 1.1 60' time.. my first and only run on the track was a 1.6. (dunno why i felt compelled to say that) We also intend on getting an account with tucker-rocky and whoever else, and definitely sell parts cheaper than the local big boys. Also we dont' call ourselves a motorcycle shop.. we're a motorcycle company. We want to get into manufacturing parts.. and 5 to 10 years down the road have a whole bike product out there. (he has some experience in it already). The budget is tight right now that we are just opening up.. but he (the man in charge, chief of operations, mouse, aka Dion) is looking to work out arrangements with racers in some type of sponsorship... in exchange for...........? but right now, we're an all service type of operation, trying to raise funds for our future goals. So whoever is interested... check out the website and get the phone# and driving directions from it: http://www.mousetrapracing.com Here is the shop roster: Dion (aka mouse) Chief Mechanic - Top Dog Decision maker - plenty of experience Mick (dion's uncle)- Second Mechanic - older with plenty of experience Jay - third mechanic or assistant, not sure? Danny (me) - administrative, take in the bikes/orders/ do estimates / reiceve customers,, PC network admin, website management, and soon to be parts guy (manager), and light work repair (plastic replacing, stuff like that). And we just took on board a spokes model, a young lady who's making a name for herself dragracing and recently won a midnight madness compettion down at budds creek, and another thing or two I believe. |>why exclude the easy-and-often-to-work-on harleys? I don't know.. Boss man's objectives were explained to us, and his goals sound good. If there is money there, you may change his mind. |>$7k for a tire changer? i guess it takes care of the |>balancing too? We rent it for $2xx something a month, but it's a 7 grand machine if we wanted to buy it. and yes, we can change tires and balance any bike wheel, once it arrives. |>good luck with the venture....i'd love to open a nice shop Hey there may be a spot open for you here... Career opportunities.. with potential.. Not be employed at mouse trap but own a part of mouse trap racing.. and when I say own, that doesn't exactly mean you have to invest in it. Putting your own finances into it is optional. When I first met with him, he was selling the dream.. but not for me to invest money (no way I would).. he just wants investment with your endeavor. If what you bring to the table can help mouse trap racing, you come on board and get a piece of the pie (or at least the potential), and in the meanwhile you still get a salary and mouse trap racing makes money and gets closer to it's goals. Or if you really like what you see, I'm guessing you can pay a percentage of the expected bills for a period of time and get an agree ed percentage for the company.. that'll have to be your negotiations. Personally I'll make money for mouse trap racing, and they'll pay me a salary, give me a xmas bonus, and in writing a small share of the company. I say if you would love to open a shop, then you might fit right in with the team, and that you should talk to Dion. At first Jay and I were talking about opening a shop... and we held off on it until we could raise some capital. In the mean time, Dion sent me an email of positions open at mouse trap racing. I stopped by, asked what the salary was for parts manager. His numbers sounded good, we set up a meeting, and now i'm on board. Since I was on board and I know the type of person Jay is, I knew he'd fit right in too, and I had a meeting with Dion and Jay set up, and Jay is on board too. If you want to come on board, all the better. More hands on the work load gets the job done. The Job has great benefits, and the company sets goals. We have meetings every monday and thursday after work to work on our agendas. And by the way, Dion can explain everything a lot more clearly and thoroughly that I just did. Like I said.. stop by.. talk to the people.. www.mousetrapracing.com Daniel 95 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 14:24:53 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Tom Gimer" Cc: Subject: Re: mouse trap racing Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:34:06 -0400 |>a couple questions: |>$55/hour? are these certified m/c mechanics? FYI, whitt's suzuki charges $55 per hours also and their mechanic is certified. Plus, they are awesome. they're a new shop, so eventually the prices will go up I'm sure, but for now...not a bad deal. So, in theory, rate per hour doesn't have to equal the quality that you're getting. :-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 22:20:40 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:11:32 -0400 > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > > At 09:40 PM 9/1/2000 , Bill Huson wrote: > >- but isn't a good long life lube. I reckon it works for cleaning but > >kerosene > >or varsol (hdwr store) is better and way cheaper and won't mess with the > >O-rings. > > Hasn't this issue been hashed out enough in Usenet, on the VFR > list, and on > this list Bill? WD-40 does not attack the O-Rings. It will allow surface > rust if you don't ride often or lube ever ~400 miles or so > though. Tsubaki > recommends WD-40 as a cleaner and lubricant. Maybe so, but WD-40 is also a penetrating agent. The x-type o-rings used on the rollers are an excellent little peice of engineering. The purpose is to contain a preloaded amount of lubricant onto the pins. I don't know for certain that WD-40 can not penetrate these rings and wash that lube away. Would you spray it on your roller bearings? All that being said, I am guilty of using it to clean my chain. I don't do it any more because I think it was a direct cause of my chains kinking at around 15000miles. I use kerosene now, get a better clean and the chain runs smooth. Just IMO and FYI. Your call. Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 2 22:26:45 2000 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:26:29 EDT Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/2/00 10:23:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: << I use kerosene now, get a better clean and the chain runs smooth. Just IMO and FYI. Your call. >> I heard somewhere that kerosene and WD40 were pretty much the same thing? From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 3 01:29:19 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:17:55 -0400 Laura, I'm a mopar guy so Ford is something of a four letter word to me. We can discuss it further at next week's RR2. Speaking of the ride... I have a friend who would like to go along with his wife. Would any one whose ridden these roads at the expected pace recommend against riding 2 up? He's a very experienced rider on a ZRX1100. He's not on the list and I'd like to let him know what to expect. Thanks James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Granato" To: "James Reazor" Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 > didn't mean to insulat at all. :-) I love the SV. And I've got a GS, so > that's even lower than a ford. lol. Just kidding...I drive a ford! L > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Reazor > To: LAURA GRANATO > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: Ducati Monster v. SV650 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 3 09:04:47 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:04:31 EDT Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I heard somewhere that kerosene and WD40 were pretty much the same thing? Not even close. Kerosene in a petroleum distillate, WD-40 is a Water Dispersant (and the 40th formula that was tried - not much imagination in the product name) designed to flush water from things and leave a non-corrosive coating behind. The fact that it appears to be a light, short term lubricant is a bonus. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 3 10:18:39 2000 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:16:03 EDT Subject: **WOMAN'S LEATHERS FOR SALE** To: Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having lost 44 pounds, it's time to get leathers that fit. I have two awesome leather jackets, each originally priced at $500, will sell for $200 each. One has lots of fringe and is fairly heavy, the other is without fringe and is very heavy. I also need new chaps, but unless you're short, mine will not work. Chaps going for $50. (I'm 5'3.5" -- it's that .5 that really puts me over the top) Give me a call to set up a time to check them out. Because of my travel schedule, I'm home on the weekends only. 410.532.3082 home 443.803.6404 cell Ride Safely, babe From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 3 10:19:20 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Paul A. Wilson" Cc: , "dc cycles" Subject: Re: police anger Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 10:25:23 -0700 |>As for it not being in the handbook, the old "ignorance of the law is no |>excuse" mantra applies, although I agree that the supervision requirement is That mantra kinda sorta irks me. The judges tell you that.... but.. the state doesn't offer classes for it, or even tell you in high school "ignorance of the law is no excuse, you have to go learn the laws".. or have billboards or signs.. you get the idea.. they just wait for you to do something, then charge you and say "ignorance of the law is no excuse!" The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the state.. there are a lot of laws out there.. no one knows them all.. Let's simplify ..... kill all the lawyers, then rewrite the laws. :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 3 21:38:39 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:38:25 EDT Subject: New DC Cycles (and Racing) Member To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A week ago at Summit Point (on Saturday), Jessica Morgan took the rider's school and got her provisional novice license. She raced on Sunday and completed her first race and beat a few boys/men. This weekend at Nelson Ledges she completed he second race and got her permanent license. Jessica lives in Morgantown, WV. but received the support (and racebike) to facilitate her acquiring a license from the Upper Marlboro Chapter of DC Cycles Racing, namely Brad Fass. She received logistics support (and pep talks) from the other 2 members of the Upper Marlboro Chapter (Leonard and I). So, DC Cycles Racing has a female racer. Kind of unusual and makes our tawdry pits (when Brian isn't around with his WSB setup) very popular. Brian, has won everything he can so he didn't show up at Nelson's. After racing there, I can see why. Most of the DC Cycles racer's have met Jessica but not the general list, so I think you should congratulate her, she is a very brave girl. Laura G., who indicated to me that she was interested in racing should chat with her offlist to get a female perspective on getting a license. You should also give Brad a pat on the back for not having the female driver/rider prejudice. LOL BTW, if anyone on the list is interested in buying Jessica's 99 F4, I think she wants to sell it to buy Brad's FZR-400 racebike (since Brad has upgraded to an SV). Give her a buzz. I think the sales pitch is "never down, ridden by a girl". Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 3 22:58:56 2000 From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:57:28 EDT Subject: For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a Red/Black/White 1998 YZF600R not to be confused with the R6. It has 12500 miles and is in good shape. It has new sparkplugs and new Dunlop D205's. Oil has been changed religiously. No road rash and its never been raced. The bike is entirely stock, no aftermarket add-ons. I have ridden it on a couple rides but most of the time it was used as a commuter from DC to Herndon. The sale includes the center stand, shoei RF800 (new), and a few extra items to assist in maintenance. I am asking $5000.00. If you're interested then return this e-mail or call me at 703-561-0196. I can send you pictures if interested. I'm getting rid of it because I'm currently pursuing an education at GMU and don't have the time for it, school, and family. Trevor From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 02:00:19 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1972 02:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: used parts phone numbers List of some used mc parts phones. All are 1-800 unless other area code is shown. These are in no particular order. 877-4804 VA 235-6846 GA 345-6115 MA 210-0435 GA 659-6523 CA 622-9253 GA 610-521-6700 PA 346-2838 TX 301-724-6923 MD 522-7891 MN 398-7426 424-5588 The following didn't answer or had other phone-related problems: 278-7099 MD 582-8646 558-8086 --garcia "If you don't know where you're going, you might not get there." From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 18:01:18 2000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 18:01:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Thief On List Funny - Trevor has had that YZF600 for sale for months. He posted it on the list yesterday, and it was stolen at 1:30am this morning. Coincidence? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 20:18:00 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Thief On List Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:17:14 -0400 > Funny - Trevor has had that YZF600 for sale for months. He posted it on > the list yesterday, and it was stolen at 1:30am this morning. > > Coincidence? That f$%^#&^ blows! I can't even believe that. I would hate to think anyone on this list would be a part of that...Where does he live? > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 20:21:37 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , Subject: Re: New DC Cycles (and Racing) Member Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:20:50 -0400 > > Most of the DC Cycles racer's have met Jessica but not the general list, so I > think you should congratulate her, she is a very brave girl. Laura G., who > indicated to me that she was interested in racing should chat with her > offlist to get a female perspective on getting a license Very cool to hear! :-) I'm going to be hitting track day on the 18th, so after that day...I'm sure Jessica (and DC Cycles) is going to have another gal racer to add to the growing list. Cannot wait...14 days and counting. Way to go Jessica! Laura > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 20:27:05 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: RR2 information Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:26:19 -0400 OK guys and gals...this saturday is our second relaxed ride. If all goes well, Danny will be leading a faster group, and I will be leading the relaxed group. I'm happy to report that this ride may have more than the last one. I've heard from a few more lurkers on the list who are going to come out, some guys from the SOC, and also some friends of friends on the list. Very exciting! I'm looking forward to meeting some more new people. Great roads! Cool people to ride with. Lots of fun. Meet at the Sheetz in Haymarket at the intersection of 55 and 15 Saturday morning at 9:30. We'll leave NLT 10 (I mean it this time :-) For my group, I'll be going over signals and rider "etiquette" for anyone who has never been on a ride before. So get your buns out on Saturday. It's gonna be a blast. If you have any questions, let me know. See you Saturday! And thanks again to Chuck for helping me put this together, even though he's not going to be able to make it. :-( Oh, Chuck, BTW....REDSKINS WON!!!!!! :^P Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 20:36:49 2000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:33:38 -0400 To: "Laura Granato" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Thief On List Cc: At 08:17 PM 9/4/2000 , Laura Granato wrote: >That f$%^#&^ blows! I can't even believe that. I would hate to think >anyone on this list would be a part of that...Where does he live? Reston - a couple miles from the Town center. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 20:41:11 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:40:41 EDT Subject: D-Mode To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/30/00 1:40:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << Sorry about the subject maybe, but when you're on D-Mode (digest) you really begin to appreciate all of those that know how to cut/paste efficently. Moving right along though... I have this to offer: >> And how do you get on the D-Mode? Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 21:50:53 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv To: DC Cycles Shaggy- Never underestimate the power of fetishism. Who knows-you might even coin a new phrase like: "Yeah, he's gonna Route One Nine her..." or "Too bad, he really ONE NINED that one..." Mittens Armory aka Corbett --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Corbett B wrote: > > > > Your porn name will be your first pet's name > combined > > with the name of the street address. > > Signed, > > > > Mittens Amory aka Corbett > > Damn, with a name like "Shaggy Rt. 19" my porn > career is never gonna get off the ground... :) > > Shaggy > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 21:56:55 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:56:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: Jeannette Zell Cc: DC Cycles SEE HOW YOU ARE? We just discover your porn name and you're already working on your costumes and image! Corbett aka Mittens Armory ps..you know? Mooschka Camden DOES kind of have a ring to it.. --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > LOL, Mooschka Camden. > Sounds more like an old lady in a babooshka (sp.?) > in a Russian film. ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 04:15 PM 8/31/00 -0700, Corbett B wrote: > >Too Late Jeanette....now we just have to figure out > >what your porn name is... First, What is the name > of > >your very first Pet? Second, What is the first > street > >address that you can remember living on as a kid? > > > >Your porn name will be your first pet's name > combined > >with the name of the street address. > >Signed, > > > >Mittens Amory aka Corbett > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 22:04:38 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: DC Cycles Yeah, but you you can take out the "Fort" part and just be Pepper Lee or Pepper F. Lee Actually, I already know a Pepper. She's one of my dear friends. Never did any porno though... -Mittens --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Pepper Fort Lee...hmmmm > > and I always heard the porn name is first pet name > and mother's maiden name...???? In that case, > Pepper D'Orta. maybe that one works better.... > > LAG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 22:08:45 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: DC Cycles Nah..it definitely works better with the street address...unless, of course you really had your heart set on shaming your Mother's side of the family... --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Pepper Fort Lee...hmmmm > > and I always heard the porn name is first pet name > and mother's maiden name...???? In that case, > Pepper D'Orta. maybe that one works better.... > > LAG > > > At 04:15 PM 8/31/00 -0700, Corbett B wrote: > > >Too Late Jeanette....now we just have to figure > out > > >what your porn name is... First, What is the name > of > > >your very first Pet? Second, What is the first > street > > >address that you can remember living on as a kid? > > > > > >Your porn name will be your first pet's name > combined > > >with the name of the street address. > > >Signed, > > > > > >Mittens Amory aka Corbett > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 22:15:58 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: DC Cycles --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: ooopppsss...are > we going to get in trouble for not talking m/cs > again? Not at all...just add "...on a bike" to the end of each email. So your last email would have been something like "Pepper Fort Lee has a good sound to it - a little spice and a little torture"....on a bike. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 22:40:18 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Rainsuits To: DC Cycles Han AND Nelson- It's been more of my experience as well that when you wear the rainsuit..it doesn't rain. I've got a Motoport one piece rainsuit that I picked up from Coleman Powersport (Impulse buy.) Has an exterior shell of 60% polyurethane and 40% nylon...and an inner lining of 100% nylon. Like Hork/Shaggy mentioned it can get so damn hot in the rainsuit that you WISH it would rain. I'm just gonna call it my "sauna suit" from now on. Feels fine in the rain though...but you're still gonna sweat. Coleman was very low on rain gear inventory when I stopped in last week. I'm not sure who has any inventory. -Corbett --- Han Park wrote: > Okay, I was thinking about getting a rainsuit, > but all the cheap ones > are just PVC rubber or something unbreathable like > that. What are people's > experience with these types of suits? Are they > unbearably hot (even in the > rain)? If that's the case I'd rather just go with > some nylon sweat pants > and a windbreaker type pullover for a rain suit. > Any comments? > Also where can I get a rainsuit, I went to Powerride > and Cyclesports and > they've only got a few suits on the shelves. > > han > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Horstman > To: Nelson Fernandez > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv > > > > Nelson Fernandez wrote: > > > > > Why is it that every time I put on the rain suit > it doesn't rain > > > (producing enough heat to make you want to pass > out) > > > > My experience with traditional bike rainsuits is > that I sweated so much > > underneath them I felt just as wet as if I had > been riding without > > one. I'm so glad my Gerbing Ultimate suit is > (fairly) waterproof and > > breathable. The crash protection and electrically > heated liners top and > > bottom are just gravy. :) > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 22:44:06 2000 From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:43:53 EDT Subject: Stolen Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, I was trying to sell the bike. But it seems like somebody else didn't like my price and picked it up with a five finger discount. I find it annoying to have lost the bike and still be stuck with the helmets and accessories. All these will remain in the house so they can't come back for seconds. But if interested, I still have a new red RF800 I will part with for 125, a white Phillips Lochart center stand I would like to get 50 for and a magnetic tank bag for 75. If interested then drop a line. Trevor From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 4 23:09:47 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: RR2 information Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:49:02 -0400 Laura (or anyone else who knows), For those of us who are not familiar with Haymarket, can we get directions to Sheetz? James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Granato" To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 8:26 PM Subject: RR2 information > OK guys and gals...this saturday is our second relaxed ride. If all goes > well, Danny will be leading a faster group, and I will be leading the > relaxed group. I'm happy to report that this ride may have more than the > last one. I've heard from a few more lurkers on the list who are going to > come out, some guys from the SOC, and also some friends of friends on the > list. Very exciting! I'm looking forward to meeting some more new people. > > Great roads! Cool people to ride with. Lots of fun. Meet at the Sheetz in > Haymarket at the intersection of 55 and 15 Saturday morning at 9:30. We'll > leave NLT 10 (I mean it this time :-) For my group, I'll be going over > signals and rider "etiquette" for anyone who has never been on a ride > before. So get your buns out on Saturday. It's gonna be a blast. If you > have any questions, let me know. See you Saturday! > > And thanks again to Chuck for helping me put this together, even though he's > not going to be able to make it. :-( > Oh, Chuck, BTW....REDSKINS WON!!!!!! :^P > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 08:08:09 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:09:36 -0400 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: New DC Cycles (and Racing) Member Woohooooo! GO JESSICA! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:38 PM 9/3/00 -0400, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > >Jessica lives in Morgantown, WV. but received the support (and racebike) to >facilitate her acquiring a license from the Upper Marlboro Chapter of DC >Cycles Racing, namely Brad Fass. She received logistics support (and pep >talks) from the other 2 members of the Upper Marlboro Chapter (Leonard and >I). > >So, DC Cycles Racing has a female racer. Kind of unusual and makes our >tawdry pits (when Brian isn't around with his WSB setup) very popular. >Brian, has won everything he can so he didn't show up at Nelson's. After >racing there, I can see why. > > > >Ciao, > >Fred > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 08:10:11 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:10:05 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! I've now renewed a driver's license, car tags (with emissions inspection), and motorcycle tags through the Virginia DMV - all over the Internet. It's been really excellent. Really nice to see some progress here! -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 08:42:13 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 05:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Silver Spring NOAA parking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX anyone on the list work at NOAA in silver spring, or park in the NOAA garage? I worked at NOAA about a year ago and got a new job there and wanted to make sure that the MC parking was still the same and that they didn't put up gates or anything stupid like that. thanx Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 08:53:04 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:52:48 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New DC Cycles (and Racing) Member To: , Thanks Jeannette! All the support I've received is much appreciated. Now if someone would just buy my F4! :o) Jessica Morgan WERA Racer #435 (I'm so proud of myself, I can't help but put my number everywhere I can) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 08:55:39 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:55:18 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! To: Now if only WEST Virginia would do that. And do away with their 5% retail value sales tax. One of the reasons I cannot ride my F4. How states get away with double taxing you on the same vehicle is beyond me. The least they could do is make it easier for us to register and tag them. Jessica From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:07:28 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 06:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Thief On List To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > Funny - Trevor has had that YZF600 for sale for months. > He posted it on the list yesterday, and it was stolen at > 1:30am this morning. > > Coincidence? yes....plus a healthy dose of paranoia -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:18:46 2000 From: Danny Thompson To: "'James Reazor'" Cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: RR2 information Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:21:23 -0400 Encoding: 54 TEXT On Monday, September 04, 2000 10:49 PM, James Reazor [SMTP:JReazor@XXXXXX] wrote: > Laura (or anyone else who knows), > > For those of us who are not familiar with Haymarket, can we get > directions to Sheetz? > > James > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laura Granato" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 8:26 PM > Subject: RR2 information > > > > OK guys and gals...this saturday is our second relaxed ride. If all goes > > well, Danny will be leading a faster group, and I will be leading the > > relaxed group. I'm happy to report that this ride may have more than the > > last one. I've heard from a few more lurkers on the list who are going to > > come out, some guys from the SOC, and also some friends of friends on the > > list. Very exciting! I'm looking forward to meeting some more new people. > > > > Great roads! Cool people to ride with. Lots of fun. Meet at the Sheetz > in > > Haymarket at the intersection of 55 and 15 Saturday morning at 9:30. > We'll > > leave NLT 10 (I mean it this time :-) For my group, I'll be going over > > signals and rider "etiquette" for anyone who has never been on a ride > > before. So get your buns out on Saturday. It's gonna be a blast. If you > > have any questions, let me know. See you Saturday! > > > > And thanks again to Chuck for helping me put this together, even though > he's > > not going to be able to make it. :-( > > Oh, Chuck, BTW....REDSKINS WON!!!!!! :^P > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > Take I-66 west to the Haymarket exit (1st one past Gainesville). Turn left onto Rt. 15 off exit ramp. Go about 200 yds, Sheetz is on the left. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:24:27 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 06:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristina Rogish Subject: Re: Jeannette the perv To: Corbett B , LAURA GRANATO Cc: DC Cycles Bud Lake??? eeks! How 'bout Shane Corduroy (2nd pet, 2nd address)... aww, yeah. > > > At 04:15 PM 8/31/00 -0700, Corbett B wrote: > > > >Too Late Jeanette....now we just have to figure > > out > > > >what your porn name is... First, What is the name > > of > > > >your very first Pet? Second, What is the first > > street > > > >address that you can remember living on as a kid? > > > > > > > >Your porn name will be your first pet's name > > combined > > > >with the name of the street address. > > > >Signed, > > > > > > > >Mittens Amory aka Corbett > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:25:30 2000 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:26:26 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:10 AM > To: List-dc cycles > Subject: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! > > > I've now renewed a driver's license, car tags (with emissions > inspection), and motorcycle tags through the Virginia DMV - all > over the Internet. It's been really excellent. No doubt it's convenient, and I'll make use of it, too. But I really wonder if renewing drivers licenses w/o ANY review by the DMV is a good thing. Someone could be blind, deaf and paralyzed and still renew their license over the 'net. Personally, I think it should be a lot HARDER to get and renew a driver's license, not easier. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:29:36 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:29:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Thief On List Here to play list asshole today Tom? At 09:07 AM 9/5/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: >yes....plus a healthy dose of paranoia ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:47:06 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 06:46:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Thief On List To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i'm an asshole because i point out that there was no connection between the theft and the posting? for christ's sake, mike....no address/town/tag# was even posted. i guess i touched a nerve with the paranoia thing....take the pills and think of a peaceful place --- Troutman wrote: > Here to play list asshole today Tom? > > At 09:07 AM 9/5/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: > >yes....plus a healthy dose of paranoia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:49:50 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:49:35 -0400 To: Tom Gimer From: Troutman Subject: Re: Thief On List Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 09:46 AM 9/5/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: >i'm an asshole because i point out that there was no >connection between the theft and the posting? for christ's >sake, mike....no address/town/tag# was even posted. Do you know how easy it is to get an address from a phone number? >i guess i touched a nerve with the paranoia thing....take >the pills and think of a peaceful place Still the same asshole you always were.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:52:26 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 06:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristina Rogish Subject: RE: I-66 HOV To: bernescut@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles List'" Yeah. It's 3:30-6:30pm inside the beltway... the outside the beltway shoulder and left lane are extended since they don't hamper traffic as much. --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I'll double check the signs tonight, usually its a blur > when I go by :) but > several of my co-workers sit around until 6:30 expressly > to catch the > non-HOV hours in their cages. However, there may be a > difference between > inside the beltway and outside, I switch to 495 when I > get there and the HOV > lane only starts after that, so I would defer to your > information for that > part of the route. > Cedric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Weaver > [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 2:48 PM > To: bernescut@XXXXXX; 'DC Cycles List' > Subject: RE: I-66 HOV > > > Did they change the hours recently? I commuted that way > on 66 for a long > time, and I know for a fact that it used to be 7:00 when > the green arrows > changed to red Xs and the HOV lane became accessible to > all commuters. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:33 AM > To: 'DC Cycles List' > Subject: RE: I-66 HOV > > > The morning hours are correct. The evening hours, > however are actually 4:00 > PM to 6:30 PM on I-66, I'm not sure about I-395. > Cedric > > > Subject: RE: I-66 HOV > > > I-66 inside the beltway uses the same hours as outside > the beltway, but ALL > LANES are HOV during the HOV hours. I *think* the hours > are 6:30-9:00am and > 3:30-7:00pm, but i'm not positive about the morning > hours. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:45 AM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: I-66 HOV > > > Hey all, > > Got a question from a COG member riding into Natl Airport > next > week. What are the hours for I-66 HOV inside the > beltway? I > thought I-66 was full time HOV inside the beltway, but > I'm not > sure. Also, anybody have good/bad experiences parking a > bike > at National for a few days? > > Much thanks, > Horkster (or is it Shaggy?) :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:59:48 2000 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:54:55 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Very good article about tyres.... http://www.activebike.org/index/features/michelin/michelin.htm _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 09:59:52 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 06:59:03 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Jeannette Zell" Subject: DC Cycles & Friends Party! DC Cycles & Friends party, come one, come all! : ) Please RSVP in the appropriate place on the invite! Hope to see everyone there! ----------------------------------------------- For reference, your link to this Invite is: http://www.evite.com/r?iid=OOZXLASAFZGJSTYBDECA Delivered by: http://www.evite.com 48484848 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:05:10 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Thief On List To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > At 09:46 AM 9/5/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: > >i'm an asshole because i point out that there was no > >connection between the theft and the posting? for > >christ's sake, mike....no address/town/tag# was even > >posted. > > Do you know how easy it is to get an address from a phone > number? no....and i bet that narrows our possible suspect list down quite a bit the problem with your method of investigation is that you have accused the list.... > >i guess i touched a nerve with the paranoia > >thing....take the pills and think of a peaceful place > > Still the same asshole you always were.... i can't take it anymore....i think i'll unsubscribe like the rest of the pussies! sorry, mike....but i'll always be here to point out the idiotic comments that float to the surface of the toilet -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:15:32 2000 From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thief On List Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:15:22 EDT I must agree with Tom, I have had a bike stolen before I was even on the list. The police will tell you the bike theft is a HUGE problem in the area. Very unlikely that is was a lister. I really do feel sorry about the bike, having one stolen myself, but to blame the list? Not cool. If that makes me an asshole for stating the obvious, then I'll keep Tom company. Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 www.conflictedinterest.com > >Here to play list asshole today Tom? > >At 09:07 AM 9/5/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: >>yes....plus a healthy dose of paranoia > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... > They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:16:42 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:16:11 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Help a poor girl out To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just a note on WD-40. It's great for short term lubrication, but is vegetable oil based and turns to a gum like substance after a while. (under some conditions very quickly) To get it off you then need to use kerosene. Must people who own firearms (not to re-ignite that thread) steer clear of WD-40 (if they know what they are doing) as it's long term protection qualities are VERY suspect. To my knowledge, Petroleum based lubes don't break down like WD does. I've first hand seen the mess old WD-40 leaves behind, it aint pretty, and it sure isn't lubricating or protecting. It's a gummy, sticky, brown residue that is hard as hell to get off. -Calvin '00VFR800FI -----Original Message----- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 9:05 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help a poor girl out > I heard somewhere that kerosene and WD40 were pretty much the same thing? Not even close. Kerosene in a petroleum distillate, WD-40 is a Water Dispersant (and the 40th formula that was tried - not much imagination in the product name) designed to flush water from things and leave a non-corrosive coating behind. The fact that it appears to be a light, short term lubricant is a bonus. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:17:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85EH1H03072 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G0F006013KV4Q@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:14:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G0F00LO93KVIV@XXXXXX>; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:14:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G0F00B013MJVU@XXXXXX>; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:15:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G0F00B013MCUF@XXXXXX>; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:15:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com ([166.37.214.7]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G0F0097B3M5UT@XXXXXX>; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:15:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.153.179]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20000905141441.TJRV787@XXXXXX>; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:14:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:13:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Jeanette the perv To: Corbett B Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <39B4FFA1.B86DB384@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20000905015044.8005.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Corbett B wrote: > > Shaggy- > > Never underestimate the power of fetishism. Who > knows-you might even coin a new phrase like: "Yeah, > he's gonna Route One Nine her..." or "Too bad, he > really ONE NINED that one..." Well, 19 cm *is* just about right, I may be onto something here. And isn't "Shag" an euphemism for, uhh, well, you know... Shaggy 19 :) > Mittens Armory aka Corbett > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > Damn, with a name like "Shaggy Rt. 19" my porn > > career is never gonna get off the ground... :) > > > > Shaggy -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:22:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85EMcH03514 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0F006763X99B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:22:37 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:22:12 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Thief On List To: "'Tom Gimer'" , Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF15@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phone company employees, cops (criss-cross directory), and PIs have the easiest access... -Calvin Ledford '00VFR800FI -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:05 AM To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thief On List --- Troutman wrote: > At 09:46 AM 9/5/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: > >i'm an asshole because i point out that there was no > >connection between the theft and the posting? for > >christ's sake, mike....no address/town/tag# was even > >posted. > > Do you know how easy it is to get an address from a phone > number? no....and i bet that narrows our possible suspect list down quite a bit the problem with your method of investigation is that you have accused the list.... > >i guess i touched a nerve with the paranoia > >thing....take the pills and think of a peaceful place > > Still the same asshole you always were.... i can't take it anymore....i think i'll unsubscribe like the rest of the pussies! sorry, mike....but i'll always be here to point out the idiotic comments that float to the surface of the toilet -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:31:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e85EVaH03690 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20363 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2000 07:31:24 -0700 Date: 5 Sep 2000 07:31:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20000905143124.20362.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Sep 2000 14:31:24 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 05 Sep 2000 07:31:24 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Thief On List > > sorry, mike....but i'll always be here to point out the > idiotic comments that float to the surface of the toilet > BOYS BOYS BOYS...calm down here! I think Mike had a valid point...merely pointing out a possible coincidence. The facts here are that a guys bike got stolen. That totally sucks. Don't think us listers should be fighting over people's comments about it. I think we should feel bad for Trevor who lost one of his babies...not acting like kids fighting over the subject. We can find better things to call each other assholes over. If you need a topic, I'll be glad to provide. LAG > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:39:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85EdnH03790 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0F006IK4PV9C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:39:47 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:39:24 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: 93 honda cbr 600 For sale $4000 To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF16@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd say that's a bit high. I bought a 92 in 95 for 4500 (that was a good deal then) and sold it in late 97 for 4000. It amazes me what these 8 & 9 year (model year, the 01s will be out soon) those old bikes continue to go for. We are on 2 revisions further in the CBR evolution. Mine was mint, tooth down in rear, new tires, and kerker slip on. Sorry for the grip, I've just been following CBR 600 prices for over 6 years now. The price of a 92-93 F2 has STAYED over 4 grand the entire time. It doesn't make sense to me, especially since you can get a new one for just over 3 grand more. Needed to vent. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:56 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 93 honda cbr 600 For sale $4000 www.mousetrapracing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:49:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e85EnIH03998 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000905144911.22218.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.192] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 07:49:11 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Thief On List To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > sorry, mike....but i'll always be here to point out the > > idiotic comments that float to the surface of the > > toilet > > > BOYS BOYS BOYS...calm down here! I think Mike had a > valid point...merely pointing out a possible coincidence. he didn't point out a possible coincidence.... the subject line of his message was missing a question mark if that was his purpose > The facts here are that a guys bike got stolen. That > totally sucks. Don't think us listers should be fighting > over people's comments about it. I think we should feel > bad for Trevor who lost one of his babies...not acting > like kids fighting over the subject. i had my 900RR stolen in may after i posted to the list regarding its impending sale. after it was stolen i didn't accuse the list....why? because ANY bike is a target for theft at ANY time (especially when it is left outside). if a lister was responsible for my bike's theft, my bet is we have a professional exporter of stolen bikes as a dc-cycles listmember. > We can find better > things to call each other assholes over. If you need a > topic, I'll be glad to provide. the 'asshole' comment was mike's. he's your neighbor, so you are in a better position to influence him. note: he doesn't respond to good medical advice. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85EsLH04097 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04707 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:54:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000905104551.00a28b70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:54:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Thief On List In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:15 AM 9/5/00 , Razz Man wrote: >I must agree with Tom, I have had a bike stolen before I was even on the >list. The police will tell you the bike theft is a HUGE problem in the >area. Very unlikely that is was a lister. I really do feel sorry about the >bike, having one stolen myself, but to blame the list? Not cool. If that >makes me an asshole for stating the obvious, then I'll keep Tom company. You don't think its possible there is a lurker on list identifying bikes they are looking to steal - or large organized events where a lot of bikes will be sitting around? I'm not saying it is someone we all know, just that the possibility is there. Or do you want to vouch for the 100 or so people you have never met or heard from on the list? A lot of people get upset on this list when someone broadcasts out the location of a specific model of bike....for this very reason..... Yeah - bike theft is a big problem in the area. Along with auto theft and burglary. Crime seems to be on the rise in the suburbs. That is exactly why I found it surprising that Trevor's bike has been where it is for months, in the papers and posted around town with no incident. Then the same day he posts it on list, it disappears. Maybe just a coincidence, but thats why I posted it as a question, not a fact. Tom needs no company Razz. I thought I had filtered him after last years round of flame wars. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 10:57:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85EvAH04174 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04723 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:57:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000905105504.00d4b950@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:56:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Thief On List???????????????????????????????????? In-Reply-To: <20000905144911.22218.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:49 AM 9/5/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: >i had my 900RR stolen in may after i posted to the list >regarding its impending sale. after it was stolen i didn't >accuse the list....why? because ANY bike is a target for >theft at ANY time (especially when it is left outside). Just out of curiosity - why does it bother you so much that I might be deriding a list member? Do you know everyone on the list? What about the guy that subbed last night, or the two that unsubbed this morning? Do you think just because there are 100 or so of us that generally get along and trust one another that there aren't 100 more you wouldn't know from Adam? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 11:01:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e85F1qH04271 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17184 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2000 08:01:01 -0700 Date: 5 Sep 2000 08:01:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20000905150101.17183.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Sep 2000 15:01:01 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 05 Sep 2000 08:01:01 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Thief On List because ANY bike is a target for > theft at ANY time (especially when it is left outside). Absolutely, I totally agree with you. That's the price you pay for owning anything, bike, car, whatever... > > > > > > > the 'asshole' comment was mike's. I know it was. I'm just trying not to point fingers...just making a general comment. he's your neighbor, so > you are in a better position to influence him. Well, I'll make sure when I get home tonight I go over and smack him around a bit. OK? Just kidding. Anyways, my point just being for everyone to chill out. You two sound like a boyfriend and a girlfriend in a stupid little argument that you'll go around and around forever and neither of you will win. Can't we just all get along? :-) love and hugs! lol. Laura > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 11:06:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e85F6mH04371 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000905150641.10206.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.192] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:06:41 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Thief On List To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Anyways, my point just being for everyone to chill out. > You two sound like a boyfriend and a girlfriend in a > stupid little argument that you'll go around and around > forever and neither of you will win. Can't we just all > get along? :-) not likely....why? because mike is apparently upset about something i said LAST YEAR. holy shit! mike just may be my girlfriend! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 11:18:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e85FIrH04737 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6624 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2000 08:18:42 -0700 Date: 5 Sep 2000 08:18:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20000905151842.6623.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Sep 2000 15:18:42 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 05 Sep 2000 08:18:42 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Thief On List Can't we just all > > get along? :-) > > not likely....why? because mike is apparently upset about > something i said LAST YEAR. holy shit! mike just may be > my girlfriend! OK, final post on this one...end it. This is getting totally retarded! enough bandwith taken up with this one. And I'd have to say, Mike is acting more like the man... > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 11:37:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e85Fb1H05165 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000905153646.12435.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.192] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:36:46 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Thief On List To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > Can't we just all get along? :-) > > > > not likely....why? because mike is apparently upset > > about something i said LAST YEAR. holy shit! mike just > > may be my girlfriend! > > OK, final post on this one...end it. This is getting > totally retarded! enough bandwith taken up with this > one. And I'd have to say, Mike is acting more like the > man... now i get it..... calling someone an asshole publicly=manly accusing the listmembers of being thieves=manly getting all huffy about being called paranoid=manly pointing out irrational behavior=feminine fine....it's over. me and my pussy are going back to work -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 12:48:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85Gm4H07340 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:48:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200009051248.AA95879606@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: I-66 HOV X-Mailer: The Post's Dr. Gridlock has HOV hours in his FAQ http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/metro/columns/drgridlock/A10917-2000Apr4.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 12:51:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85GpGH07431 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:51:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200009051251.AA96076214@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: Thief On List X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >At 10:15 AM 9/5/00 , Razz Man wrote: >>Very unlikely that is was a lister. >You don't think its possible there is a lurker on list identifying bikes >they are looking to steal - or large organized events where a lot of bikes >will be sitting around? Unfortunately this is possible, perhaps even probably for high-value and/or easily resold bikes. A friend on the Indian list (real Indians, not the new ones) said they had to switch to aliases after several bikes were stolen. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 12:51:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85GpMH07441 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:51:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200009051251.AA90177956@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: Thief On List X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >At 10:15 AM 9/5/00 , Razz Man wrote: >>Very unlikely that is was a lister. >You don't think its possible there is a lurker on list identifying bikes >they are looking to steal - or large organized events where a lot of bikes >will be sitting around? Unfortunately this is possible, perhaps even probable for high-value and/or easily resold bikes. A friend on the Indian list (real Indians, not the new ones) said they had to switch to aliases after several bikes were stolen. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 13:30:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85HULH08260 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.c.a485b43 (8392) for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:30:09 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:30:08 EDT Subject: Re: Thief on list To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 In a message dated 9/5/00 10:24:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cledford@XXXXXX writes: << Phone company employees, cops (criss-cross directory), and PIs have the easiest access... >> Dont forget the average computer user who knows where to look on the internet. www.reversephonedirectory.com and www.theultimates.com both will give you addresses based on phone numbers and names... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 16:44:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f281.hotmail.com [209.185.130.220]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85KiQH11434 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:44:14 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:44:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help a poor girl out... chain lube Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:44:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2000 20:44:14.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DA15620:01C0177A] >Oh, No. Now you done it... > It could be worse... we could have a chain vs shaft vs belt drive thread. Oh No... Better get another new delete key ready!!!!!!!! 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 17:02:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85L2nH11764 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02197 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: from usgate01.e-mail.com (usgate01.e-mail.com [204.146.55.141]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13145 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: Received: by usgate.e-mail.com with SMTP id VAA62334 ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:00:25 GMT Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id 85256951.0072FA57 ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:55:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: selake@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256951.0072F9F8.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:00:17 -0400 Subject: need advice from DC residents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Found a bike for a DC resident... bike is in VA, registration and inspection expired. What is the best way to get this legally, registered and inspected in DC? I hear DC is a real PITA....? Dave From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 17:10:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85LArH11847 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02267 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13362 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B890D@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'ddiefend@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: selake@XXXXXX Subject: RE: need advice from DC residents Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:59:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hey everyone, please help Dave out since that is my ZL600 they bought! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: ddiefend@XXXXXX [SMTP:ddiefend@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: selake@XXXXXX > Subject: need advice from DC residents > > Found a bike for a DC resident... bike is in VA, registration and > inspection > expired. What is the best way to get this legally, registered and > inspected in > DC? I hear DC is a real PITA....? > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 17:31:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85LVMH12244 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27522 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-2.his.com [216.32.85.2]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25899 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000905173104.0125a560@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:31:08 -0700 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: New DC Cycles (and Racing) Member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:20 PM 9/4/00 -0400, Laura Granato wrote: >after that day...I'm sure Jessica (and DC Cycles) is going to have another >gal racer to add to the growing list. The most excellent MARRC Road Racing School will have its final class on Oct. 14th. If you, or anyone else for that matter, has itch to find out what it really is all about, please register today before it fills up. Details can be had at; http://marrc.nova.org/html_docs/rrs.html or questions can be directed at me, I'm one of the volenteers that puts it on. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 17:36:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85LaOH12324 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e85LaAo25855 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:36:10 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: #699 is definitely #1 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c01781$2e4b9820$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I have to give a list-wide high five to the incredible Mr. Brian Roach. After years of financial sphincter stretching at the hands of Poweride I was able to complete my first mechanical work on my CBR courtesy of Brian. It turns out that my apartment management association looks upon owner vehicle maintenance with slightly less regard than arson so I am unable to do any of my own work at home. Since my only other resource was a dealer service which I couldn't afford, I kept postponing some much needed maintenance until I asked around DC-Cycles and Brian volunteered the use of his garage. Since Brian has won his championship (very cool plaques, I might add!) he had a very rare free day at home and I brought the CBR and parts over to his place so he could show me how to keep from screwing up my ride :) Side note: that garage is stupendous, I'll let him describe it to you sometime. Brian provided hours of patient guidance and more than little sweat and elbow grease. We managed to change spark plugs, oil, filters, choke handle and left side engine cover. Brian put up with my endless questions, loaned tools, wielded a few, gave me a tour of the place, sacrificed a t-shirt to an inadvertent oil-stain and even served drinks! I learned a ton about racing, wrenching, riding, even something about programming, and saw a fantastic home all in one day! We can both attest that a Ralph Lauren leather belt and Robo-pliers do not make the most effective oil filter wrench, but not from lack of trying :) However, a screwdriver and mallet can provide results as well as emotional satisfaction in this department. Brian, I definitely owe you big time for all of your advice and help; the bike runs great and no leaks, so far! Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 18:23:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e85MNMH12989 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.66.72a8b92 (3939); Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.72a8b92.26e6cc46@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:23:02 EDT Subject: Re: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 9/5/00 8:56:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX writes: > Now if only WEST Virginia would do that. And do away with their 5% retail > value sales tax. They have to pay for all those nice roads somehow. Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 20:17:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e860HmH15091 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-173.s427.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.173] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13WSuP-0007bN-00; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: <39B58DCD.5C145736@starpower.net> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:20:28 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: need advice from DC residents References: <85256951.0072F9F8.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Old owner signs over VA title to new owner. New owner takes VA title to DC DMV and gets a thirty day tag. The owner can then ride the bike legally. He/she must then get the bike inspected at the inspection facility on Half St. SW. Once the inspection is complete, you must return to C St. NW and get new DC title and tags. Title transfer tax will also be paid at this point. Unfortunately it's a three-step process and there's no way around it. ddiefend@XXXXXX wrote: > > Found a bike for a DC resident... bike is in VA, registration and inspection > expired. What is the best way to get this legally, registered and inspected in > DC? I hear DC is a real PITA....? > > Dave -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 21:28:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e861StH16173 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id v.4e.ab0e7d4 (4571) for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:28:23 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4e.ab0e7d4.26e6f7b6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:28:22 EDT Subject: Re: Thief On List To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Am I missing something here? What is the connection between posting it for sale and having it ripped off? If I was going to steal something, I wouldn't wait until it was put up for sale - I'd just grab it. Methinks what we have here is a genuine coincidence. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 21:31:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e861VZH16259 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.3e.8d5cd0 (4571) for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3e.8d5cd0.26e6f86c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:31:24 EDT Subject: Re: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > I've now renewed a driver's license, car tags (with emissions inspection) Neat Chris - I renewed my license online, but I'm at a total loss as how to get an emissions inspection online ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 21:46:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e861kNH16526 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-32.s32.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.32] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13WUI8-0000r8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 21:46:21 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Thief On List Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:37:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c017a2$fb9bb3c0$2083a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200009052300.e85N01q13584@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:29:20 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: Thief On List > > Here to play list asshole today Tom? > > At 09:07 AM 9/5/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: > >yes....plus a healthy dose of paranoia > WOW! And I thought I had a bad day today! But then, Mike, you did ask. In all seriousness, I do believe there are theives lurking about around here. No one in particular, but just playing the odds. I'd suggest one never list any pertinant info regarding their prize. And just so you know, mine are garaged, well insured and I keep a loaded pistol close by (gun thread...yes!!) Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 5 23:29:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e863TJH18137 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000906032915.PVQS4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:29:15 -0700 Message-ID: <39B5B96E.2683F938@home.com> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:26:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thief On List References: <000301c017a2$fb9bb3c0$2083a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > And just so you know, mine are garaged, well insured and I keep a loaded > pistol close by (gun thread...yes!!) Oh, yeah, and don't forget the dog...big dog...probably half wolf...right? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 00:03:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8643RH18746 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA04041; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009d01c017b8$438fe920$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: , References: <3e.8d5cd0.26e6f86c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:09:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 When you take the emissions test, the results are automatically sent to the VA DMV... no need to give them papers like in the old days. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! > > I've now renewed a driver's license, car tags (with emissions inspection) > > Neat Chris - I renewed my license online, but I'm at a total loss as how to > get an emissions inspection online ;-) > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 05:40:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gillian.brauhausdc.org ([209.150.115.250]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e869elH24744 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 05:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fryer.obscure.org (fryer.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.3]) by gillian.brauhausdc.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e869eUU15820 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 05:40:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000906054221.0473ab80@pop.obscure.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 05:44:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Secure Storage? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I asked this a while back and didn't see any real responses, so, I'll try again... Anyone know of a secure storage sort of facility where one could rent some space for a scoot? Potentially a space which has bonded gun-toting guards? -- It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. Albert Einstein From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 07:55:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86BtNH26725 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id GAA28282 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:55:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id GAA28274 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:55:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08924 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000906075527.00a33e60@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:56:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Missing Invite? In-Reply-To: <4e.ab0e7d4.26e6f7b6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If anyone on the list did not receive the e-vite invitation to our DC Cycles party on September 23, please let me know and I'll send you the link. Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 07:56:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86BufH26735 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id GAA28326 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:56:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id GAA28322 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:56:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08941 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000906075654.00a383f0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:58:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Chillllly Morning In-Reply-To: <4e.ab0e7d4.26e6f7b6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HELLO FALL!!! I love these chilly morning rides in. : ) Anyone on the list riding in this morning down Route 50 towards DC on some sort of cruiser with a yellow helmet and dress shoes? I waved to you twice... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 08:38:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86Cc4H27510 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e86Cbud04470 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:37:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000906075654.00a383f0@intertv.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > HELLO FALL!!! I love these chilly morning rides in. : ) Woo hoo! We're finally getting some decent weather! The only problem is my bike was already running lean while it was hot out, it's only worse now. I'm going to have to pull the carbs and richen them up some more... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 09:35:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e86DZQH28723 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17616 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2000 06:35:19 -0700 Date: 6 Sep 2000 06:35:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20000906133519.17615.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Sep 2000 13:35:19 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Sep 2000 06:35:19 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: kirk@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning > > HELLO FALL!!! I love these chilly morning rides in. : ) BRRRR! I froze my ass off. But it was worth it. > > Woo hoo! We're finally getting some decent weather! The only problem is > my bike was already running lean while it was hot out, it's only worse > now. I'm going to have to pull the carbs and richen them up some more... Hey, could you do mine too? I'm having the same problem...bike wasn't doing too well this morning. :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 09:40:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86DepH28749 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:40:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200009060940.AA174588374@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: Virginia DMV by Internet - excellent! X-Mailer: The emissions inspection was done the old-fashioned way, at a service station. But the results were transmitted from the testing station to the DMV electronically, and by the time I renewed the tags the results were already there and approved. If someone had told me a year ago that Virginia could revamp their DMV to this level I'd have said they were looney. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:31:24 EDT >> I've now renewed a driver's license, car tags (with emissions inspection) > >Neat Chris - I renewed my license online, but I'm at a total loss as how to >get an emissions inspection online ;-) > >Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 10:23:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86ENsH29504 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.50.41]) id QQjfmf03937 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:23:53 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjfmf13115 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:23:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1243872267==_ma============" --============_-1243872267==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "The only problem is > my bike was already running lean while it was hot out, it's only worse > now. I'm going to have to pull the carbs and richen them up some more..." Bummer. My bikes is running like an absolute champ! Had to be carefull with the throttle this morning, front end kept getting light. I loooove this weather. Going to have to get that new rubber for the weekend.... "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1243872267==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Geneva"The only problem is > my bike was already running lean while it was hot out, it's only worse > now. I'm going to have to pull the carbs and richen them up some more..." Bummer. My bikes is running like an absolute champ! Had to be carefull with the throttle this morning, front end kept getting light. I loooove this weather. Going to have to get that new rubber for the weekend.... "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1243872267==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 10:32:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86EWIH29663 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000906143201.KLW21433.ewey.excite.com@prickles> for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: <2828496.968250721661.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Jeanette the Perv Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.25.70 I think I maybe the big winner for the "adult film star screen name contest.........Gertrude Rosemary, Gertie......on a bike _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 10:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86EXUH29683 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.b6.a38fce3 (16636) for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:33:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:33:20 EDT Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Another fine example of why not to take your bike to Batley, when I had the Harley in for it's "first maintenance" I had them install a jet kit... I figured, "What the hell... they already are working on the bike".... Silly me. Having it jetted so rich you can smell raw fuel during the summer, it REALLY likes this nice dense air :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 11:03:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86F3QH00314 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20627; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801c01814$7d6d46e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: , "Sean Jordan" References: Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:09:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C017F2.F59B6420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C017F2.F59B6420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mine was running like a beast yesterday, too. It really likes its new = carb jetting and with the weather being the way it is now I'm finding = that some extra ponies are trying to get out. :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sean Jordan=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning "The only problem is > my bike was already running lean while it was hot out, it's only = worse > now. I'm going to have to pull the carbs and richen them up some = more..." Bummer. My bikes is running like an absolute champ! Had to be carefull = with the throttle this morning, front end kept getting light. I loooove = this weather. Going to have to get that new rubber for the weekend....=20 "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the = skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C017F2.F59B6420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mine was running like a beast yesterday, too.  = It really=20 likes its new carb jetting and with the weather being the way it is now = I'm=20 finding that some extra ponies are trying to get out. :-)
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sean = Jordan=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, = 2000 10:23=20 AM
Subject: Re: Chillllly = Morning

"The only problem is
> my bike was already = running lean=20 while it was hot out, it's only worse
> now. I'm going to have = to pull=20 the carbs and richen them up some more..."

Bummer. My bikes is = running=20 like an absolute champ! Had to be carefull with the throttle this = morning,=20 front end kept getting light. I loooove this weather. Going to have to = get=20 that new rubber for the weekend.... =
"For=20 man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful = defiance of it."
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean = Jordan
'93 Honda=20 CBR1000F (street)
'89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race)
WERA Novice=20 #230

Sponsors:
Fast Lane Cycles
Chantilly,=20 Va
http://fastlanecycles.com/

Phoenix Comics & = Toys
Herndon,=20 Va ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C017F2.F59B6420-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 11:17:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86FHCH00613 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id v.bb.6c666fc (15888) for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:16:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:16:49 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: My bike seems to be running wonderfully. :o) But then I have a stock F4. Took her out for a ride Monday. But nothing compares to the track. Just can't go fast enough! :o) Hey Jeanette, wanna buy my bike? :o) hehe Jess Morgan WERA Novice #435 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 11:26:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86FQaH00727 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id KAA23408 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:26:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id KAA23404 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:26:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13444; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000906112741.00a59ba0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:28:10 -0400 To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX, From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I wish! If I had the $$ maybe... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 11:16 AM 9/6/00 -0400, HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: >My bike seems to be running wonderfully. :o) But then I have a stock F4. >Took her out for a ride Monday. But nothing compares to the track. Just >can't go fast enough! :o) Hey Jeanette, wanna buy my bike? :o) hehe > >Jess Morgan >WERA Novice #435 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 12:01:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flash.niaid.nih.gov (flash.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.136.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86G1LH01464 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by flash.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:01:05 -0400 Message-ID: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34090@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'Dan Brown'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Secure Storage? Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:00:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Gaithersburg (301 977 7188) offers storage for bikes, at least for the winter months. You may want to ask them. Carsten > ---------- > From: Dan Brown > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2000 5:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Secure Storage? > > > > > I asked this a while back and didn't see any real responses, so, I'll > try again... > > > Anyone know of a secure storage sort of facility where one could rent > some space for a scoot? > > Potentially a space which has bonded gun-toting guards? > > > > -- > It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. > Albert Einstein > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 12:24:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86GOuH01864 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000906162303.BHOY21433.ewey.excite.com@prickles> for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:23:03 -0700 Message-ID: <24516775.968257383046.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Anybody got the URL for summit point? _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 12:42:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86GgVH02223 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id o.13.a6a47ed (16785); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <13.a6a47ed.26e7cde5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:42:13 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point To: Culimerc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/6/00 12:29:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Culimerc@XXXXXX writes: > Anybody got the URL for summit point? http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 12:52:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86GpwH02389 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e86Gpoo15378 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:51:50 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Summit Point Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c01822$9b3a0740$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <24516775.968257383046.JavaMail.imail@prickles> http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/ Interesting tidbit, I was shopping for groceries with my wife at Fresh Fields market and I was mentally wandering while picking through the leeks and cilantro when I noticed an ad for Summit Point Orchard. Apparently they sell apples and other fruit that they grow in the orchards in the infield of the track, there's a small placard explaining how they grow their products amidst all of the racing activity. Another reason to eat more fiber :) Cedric -----Original Message----- From: James Hoofnagle [mailto:Culimerc@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Anybody got the URL for summit point? _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:04:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86H4mH02640 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id y.84.a6b4478 (16785); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <84.a6b4478.26e7d314@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:04:20 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/6/00 12:53:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > there's a small placard explaining how they grow their products > amidst all of the racing activity The orchard is actually on the other side of the access road that runs along the outside of the track parallel to the front stretch. Before they cut it and put up a tire wall, it was completely possible to launch your bike (and possibly yourself) over a large mound, clear the access road, and perhaps have a fallen Summit Point Apple whilst waiting for the ambulance and crash truck ;) Actually... I've only ever seen one guy make it to the access road, and one bike make it damn near into the orchard (it was spectacular). The new moved back, tire covered wall with widened gravel trap is generally a GoodThing. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:09:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86H8sH02759 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjfmq01775 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:08:37 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjfmq13332 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:08:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:08:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Let's Start a Tire Thread!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ok guys, it's that time of year again. I desparately need new tires. I used 207's last time and they were pretty good. I'd like to go with a round profile tire this time, rather than a triangular Dunlop. Also, anyone know anybody in the area who sells Bridgestone street tires? Loudoun Motorsports, Manassas Honda, and Cycle Sport don't carry them. I've been using the BT57SS's on my racebike, and I love them. Was wondering what their equivalent high performance tire would be. What online dealers have you guys bought tires from? How was their price? Service? Also, what is the going rate mounting and balancing for whomever holds the tire-changer? Thanks for your input. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:09:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86H9JH02769 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21365 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:08:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Secure Storage? In-Reply-To: <20000906125155.B25849@kleks.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Dan - what hapend to all-year rider from Cleveland ? If I remeber, you > used your older CB 12 months a year ? This is, first off, this is a nicer bike, and second off, am kinda looking for the security features, not so much the anti-weather ones. Also, would almost like to find something outside the beltway -- which wouldn't be as nice for commuting, but, would save me that many miles of the cages which absolute disregard for my life. > You may also get in touch with Todd Peer - he has a nice garage with a > few bikes, used for work; maybe once you have a bike I will take you > for a ride with mofos, and you ask then.... Yurk. I'm kinda thinking I'm going to wait for a bit before riding with the MoFo's. Like... until I can afford race leathers, rather than just the kevlar pants and leather jacket gear I have now. That, and until after the lobotomy to remove any common sense I have left. ;-) Bike "getting" schedule is currently going to be up to Boston weekend of the 30th, do the "Leaf Peep" and then return to the DC area. -- Dan Brown -- Soon to be owner of a '92 VFR. brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:21:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86HLVH03030 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dps53-02-p138.kn.saix.net (IDENT:nobody@XXXXXX [216.200.67.26]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03722 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:21:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200009061721.NAA03722@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: redbelly@XXXXXX Subject: Africa Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:21:26 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Hey Everybody! Jay and I are having a wonderful time riding through South Africa. The dollar is really strong here, the roads are wonderful. The drivers are very polite, they will pull onto the shoulder to let you pass. The speed traps are a joke. Watch out for monkey and impala crossings. Cattle droppings in the road represent little difficulty. Getting used to the BMW's we are touring on here. Our tourguide is crazy, he was a one star general in the S. African army who has ridden through all of Africa. It is kind of like touring with Hitler. Jay and Lisa Goddard. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:25:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86HP1H03065 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:24:31 -0700 Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000090610245526267 for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:24:56 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:24:24 -0400 Message-Id: <39B67DC7.36CA88A7@trw.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:24:23 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <84.a6b4478.26e7d314@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gather 'round, muchachos and muchachitas! Your uncle Randy has the story of that amazing crash in words and pictures, courtesy of Glen Ouye (intrepid MARRC cornerworker and accomplished photographer). http://users.erols.com/seapup/Roadracing/19990522_CCS/519_19990523_CCS_image-map.html Enjoy! BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Before they cut it and put up a tire wall, it was completely possible to > launch your bike (and possibly yourself) over a large mound, clear the access > road, and perhaps have a fallen Summit Point Apple whilst waiting for the > ambulance and crash truck ;) > > Actually... I've only ever seen one guy make it to the access road, and one > bike make it damn near into the orchard (it was spectacular). The new moved > back, tire covered wall with widened gravel trap is generally a GoodThing. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:26:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86HQGH03079 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e86HQCd13705 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Secure Storage? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Dan Brown wrote: > I'm kinda thinking I'm going to wait for a bit before riding with the > MoFo's. Like... until I can afford race leathers, rather than just > the kevlar pants and leather jacket gear I have now. That, and until > after the lobotomy to remove any common sense I have left. ;-) What's a "mofo"? It sounds painful... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:33:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e86HXuH03235 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000906173347.3163.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:33:47 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > HELLO FALL!!! I love these chilly morning rides in. : ) Heck, I didn't care about how chilly it was, this was the first morning in over a month that I was able to ride into work!! Some (insert profanity here) knocked my bike over in the apartment parking lot a while back, and it took a while to get everything processed (insurance, repairs and all). I know who knocked it over (some landscaper doing work in our complex), but I have no witnesses or proof, so the insurance company decided to call it "Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist" which gave me a $200 dedutible. But they wouldn't give me full amount for some thing that had minor damage before, even though now the damage was extensive (i.e. 1 inch crack now broken all the way through, several inches more, etc.). Bleh. Anyway (talk about getting off the darn point) the ride in might have been chilly, but to me, it felt utterly FANTASTIC!!!!! Now if only the office wasn't 88 degrees when I walked in... ack! I'm looking forward to a long ride home in a few hours! Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:36:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86HajH03331 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id MAA10082 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:36:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id MAA10070 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:36:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16357; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000906133721.00a5b580@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:38:15 -0400 To: Randy Moran From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Summit Point Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39B67DC7.36CA88A7@trw.com> References: <84.a6b4478.26e7d314@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OMG, was the bike full of rocket fuel?? Wow. I take it the rider was ok? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 01:24 PM 9/6/00 -0400, Randy Moran wrote: >Gather 'round, muchachos and muchachitas! Your uncle Randy has the story of >that amazing crash in words and pictures, courtesy of Glen Ouye (intrepid MARRC >cornerworker and accomplished photographer). > >http://users.erols.com/seapup/Roadracing/19990522_CCS/519_19990523_CCS_image >-map.html > >Enjoy! > >BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:39:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86HduH03374 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:36:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit Point Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:36:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At my last job (this was four, five years ago) there were a couple of people that used to race (seriously hard core) go karts in a league out at summit. During one of the higher horsepower races one weekend, one of the racers had his accelerator stick. He launched himself off of that berm, and died upon impact with a tree trunk. Tire walls *good*. Ramps *bad*. -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Moran [mailto:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:24 PM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Summit Point > > > Gather 'round, muchachos and muchachitas! Your uncle Randy > has the story of > that amazing crash in words and pictures, courtesy of Glen > Ouye (intrepid MARRC > cornerworker and accomplished photographer). > > http://users.erols.com/seapup/Roadracing/19990522_CCS/519_1999 0523_CCS_image-map.html Enjoy! BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Before they cut it and put up a tire wall, it was completely possible to > launch your bike (and possibly yourself) over a large mound, clear the access > road, and perhaps have a fallen Summit Point Apple whilst waiting for the > ambulance and crash truck ;) > > Actually... I've only ever seen one guy make it to the access road, and one > bike make it damn near into the orchard (it was spectacular). The new moved > back, tire covered wall with widened gravel trap is generally a GoodThing. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:44:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (host.intelsol.com [207.233.199.4] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86HiCH03461 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engin.umich.edu ([141.213.156.121]) by goliath.intelsol.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4a) with ESMTP id 2000090613435843:1209 ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: <39B683EE.A4C277A2@engin.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:50:38 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" Reply-To: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: FS: 2 motorcycles] X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on GOLIATH/ISI(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 09/06/2000 01:43:58 PM, Serialize by Router on GOLIATH/ISI(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 09/06/2000 01:44:10 PM, Serialize complete at 09/06/2000 01:44:10 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Forwarding for anyone who might be interested.... I've already sent owner a message asking about price. If someone wants me to take a look at one of these machines for them, just let me know and I'll do it..... Reply to them directly about bikes as I don't know the person.. just forwarding it... Collin ps: if anyone needs to get ahold of me, message me direct... I haven't been keeping up with the list lately... reading about one digest per week :( -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FS: 2 motorcycles Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 02:52:38 GMT From: Holly Ann Scheib Newsgroups: umich.forsale Selling 1991 Honda Nighthawk 750. Red color, 37K miles and well-maintained by owner. Custom seat, new body panels (old ones were sun-faded) and comes with new front tire (needs to be mounted). Back end recently rebuilt (new shocks, swing arm bushings, etc.) Selling 1978 Kawasaki Z1R. Heavilly modified: overbored to 1268 cc's, turbo charged, custom shocks, racing swingarm, Brembo brakes and much more. Comes with many spare parts (transmission, valves, etc.) If interested, contact owner (pwwisnes@XXXXXX or hscheib@XXXXXX) for other information! From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:48:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86HmeH03551 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 8.2b.a6a9f83 (16785); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:48:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2b.a6a9f83.26e7dd68@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:48:24 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point To: jzell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/6/00 1:40:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzell@XXXXXX writes: > OMG, was the bike full of rocket fuel?? Wow. You enter turn 10 at about 100mph (4th gear, way up in the revs). The bike probably was doing well over 80mph when it hit the berm (allowing for some speed loss when it low-sided then stood back up). > I take it the rider was ok? He was fine... he lost the front going in, low sided, slid into the gravel... a pretty "normal" occurance... the bike had other plans :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 13:58:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86HwdH03737 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA18537; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: Summit Point Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:58:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001801c01822$9b3a0740$770810ac@cedric> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Yeah, I bet those apples taste mighty fine covered in a fine mist of soot and two stroke oil! :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:51 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit Point http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/ Interesting tidbit, I was shopping for groceries with my wife at Fresh Fields market and I was mentally wandering while picking through the leeks and cilantro when I noticed an ad for Summit Point Orchard. Apparently they sell apples and other fruit that they grow in the orchards in the infield of the track, there's a small placard explaining how they grow their products amidst all of the racing activity. Another reason to eat more fiber :) Cedric -----Original Message----- From: James Hoofnagle [mailto:Culimerc@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Anybody got the URL for summit point? _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 14:39:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86Id2H04440 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-04.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.132]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14427; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B6BAD6.5CE65A9B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:44:54 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Let's Start a Tire Thread!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, If you're a Bridgestone fan, then for street (and ocassional track) use you want to try the BT56SS's. This is their street "supersport" tire, but NOT a DOT-legal race tire. Very sticky. But also pretty durable. I have 5,000 miles on mine and plenty of tread left. Dual compound -- harder in the center and softer on the sides. BTW, don't get confused with the new Bridgestone BT-010s and -020s. The former are a replacement for the old BT-56 (a common OEM tire on many sportbikies) and the latter is a replacement for their sport-touring tire (I think maybe the BT-57). Neither is a replacement for the BT-56SS and the BT-56SS has not been discontinued. Almost all the online/catalog shops sell the BT-56SS. You shouldn't have to pay more than $200 for a pair (unless you're looking for a particular oddball size). I'm pretty sure you can get a pair for less than $200 (including shipping from Chapparal). I'm guessing that other places are probably pretty comparable. FWIW, I bought mine from Kiernan Racing Supplies http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/. Kevin wasn't as cheap as Chapparal, but he was very close, I was already buying other stuff from him (that no one else at the time could price match), and I like the guy. Chuck Sean Jordan wrote: > > Ok guys, it's that time of year again. I desparately need new tires. > I used 207's last time and they were pretty good. I'd like to go with > a round profile tire this time, rather than a triangular Dunlop. > Also, anyone know anybody in the area who sells Bridgestone street > tires? Loudoun Motorsports, Manassas Honda, and Cycle Sport don't > carry them. I've been using the BT57SS's on my racebike, and I love > them. Was wondering what their equivalent high performance tire would > be. What online dealers have you guys bought tires from? How was > their price? Service? Also, what is the going rate mounting and > balancing for whomever holds the tire-changer? Thanks for your input. > > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) > '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) > WERA Novice #230 > > Sponsors: > Fast Lane Cycles > Chantilly, Va > http://fastlanecycles.com/ > > Phoenix Comics & Toys > Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 14:38:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86IcuH04437 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:17:46 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5C38@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Connie for sale Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:17:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I can whole heartily endorse this bike. It's his SO's third bike: #1 learner, #2 Sabre she hated (humph), #4 ST1100 (at last) She's a fast but conservative driver. You may know Dave from other newslists: he's a sarcastic, acerbic writer but more important, he's a finicky, meticulous mechanic. This bike is sound: Haggle with him at trigger@XXXXXX Carl in Bethesda For sale: 93 Concours 1993, black, red pinstripe 25K 1000cc inline four sport tourer Rifle Air Balance two-piece windshield + stock Gen Mar risers and foot peg lower kit Racetech fork springs Corbin Rumble seat New D205's Gel grips Picture at: http://www.yland.com/trigger/motorcycle/connie2.gif The bike's got some moderate scratches, from several 0-mph drops. From one particularly ill-conceived choice of drop locations, there's also a small bashing of the right upper fairing. I plan to replace that piece, but will give a discounted price if you wish it "as is". Mechanically, the bike's peachy. Always garaged, so everything that's s'posed to be shiny, is. $3500 (with the fairing bash) and $4000 (with it fixed). We can help with delivery, if you're within a couple of states. -- David Ryder Pittsburgh, PA 91 ST1100, "The Silk Stiletto" http://www.yland.com/trigger/motorcycle/ryder.html http://www.yland.com/trigger/motorcycle/calendar.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 15:02:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e86J2EH04900 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:58:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:45:57 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e86J2MH04901 This weather is great, I had to go to my co's headqtr's for a meeting today. The temp gauge on my VFR was reading 58 outside temp. Oh and my jetting ..er I mean fuel injection was spot on perfect :o) I hope its like this on Saturday. On a side note, I was taking the really long ride home from the meeting this AM, and almost got caught by a cop with radar, as I came flying around a corner doing about 75 in a 35, I saw him before he could point the gun at me and slammed on the brakes.. He looked a little disappointed as I coasted by at 35.. whew.. Too many Donuts slow your reaction time. Cheers, George From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 15:13:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86JD2H05115 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-56.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.248]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32660; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B6C2D6.47FA637A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:19:03 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You weren't perhaps wheelie-ing too??? What a hooligan! %^) George Cole wrote : > > On a side note, I was taking the really long ride home from the meeting this AM, and almost got caught by a cop with radar, as I came flying around a corner doing about 75 in a 35, I saw him before he could point the gun at me and slammed on the brakes.. He looked a little disappointed as I coasted by at 35.. whew.. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 15:28:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e86JSZH05389 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA27511; Wed, 6 Sep 1972 15:34:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1972 15:34:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: monte@XXXXXX Subject: another stolen bike to watch for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please keep your eyes open for a stolen (from Mt. Pleasant, DC) motorcycle, a 1988 blue Honda NX-250, missing the plastic bodywork on the left side. The tag number is (DC) MC254; vin number JH2MD2109JK000205. If seen, call DC police or me (202-234-9229). Reward. Thanks. --garcia "Forget world peace---visualize using your turn signals." From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 16:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86KCKH06220 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id v.69.a21589c (15908) for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web27.aolmail.aol.com (web27.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.3]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:12:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:12:06 EDT From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <69.a21589c.26e7ff16@aol.com> I'm getting soft in my old age. I bought a Widder electric vest at Lake George when I was up there in June. I hooked it up this morning and I'm a convert. I'm just sorry that I put off buying one for so long. Michael (it's June inside my jacket) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 16:34:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86KYOH06557 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id PAA01689 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:34:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id PAA01670 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:34:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20722; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000906163512.00a70390@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:35:54 -0400 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning In-Reply-To: <69.a21589c.26e7ff16@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Electrics are great, aren't they? Now we just have to convert you to the Gerbing heated jacket liner. mmmmmmmmmmmmm toasty. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 04:12 PM 9/6/00 -0400, MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: >I'm getting soft in my old age. I bought a Widder electric vest at Lake >George when I was up there in June. > >I hooked it up this morning and I'm a convert. I'm just sorry that I put off >buying one for so long. > >Michael (it's June inside my jacket) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 17:30:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86LUHH07701 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G0H00801IDU3O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:29:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G0H00MNSIDTDG@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G0H00B01I9N6D@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:27:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G0H00B01I9D59@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:27:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta4.mcit.com ([166.37.204.6]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G0H00988I926J@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:27:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.153.179]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20000906213243.DBMX777@XXXXXX>; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:32:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:28:46 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: Jeannette Zell Cc: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39B6B70E.FA4488B5@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.1.20000906163512.00a70390@intertv.com> Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Electrics are great, aren't they? Now we just have to convert you to the > Gerbing heated jacket liner. > mmmmmmmmmmmmm toasty. : ) And the Gerbing gloves. And the pants. Hell, the whole heated Ultimate Suit. I'm a heat slut. :) Although I haven't had to fire up the 'lectrics yet, just zip closed a vent or two, I'm good for another 10 degrees or so. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 17:47:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86LlHH08053 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-93.patriot.net [209.249.180.93]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e86LktH13737; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:46:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39B6BB25.1F70BAC5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:46:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning References: <4.1.20000906163512.00a70390@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good grief !!! All I did was switch from my vento-jacket to the unholey leather jacket. And I did wear my new full face hat. It wasn't that cold. Course, I do have an air cooled, foot/leg/thigh heater engine. Hell in the summer, sweeettt in the winter. Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > Electrics are great, aren't they? Now we just have to convert you to the > Gerbing heated jacket liner. > mmmmmmmmmmmmm toasty. : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 04:12 PM 9/6/00 -0400, MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > >I'm getting soft in my old age. I bought a Widder electric vest at Lake > >George when I was up there in June. > > > >I hooked it up this morning and I'm a convert. I'm just sorry that I put off > >buying one for so long. > > > >Michael (it's June inside my jacket) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 19:25:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e86NPUH09686 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 1.be.90416c4 (3969); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:24:53 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:24:52 EDT Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: bhuson@XXXXXX, jzell@XXXXXX CC: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/6/00 5:49:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Good grief !!! All I did was switch from my vento-jacket to the unholey > leather > jacket. And I did wear my new full face hat. It wasn't that cold. Course, > I do > have an air cooled, foot/leg/thigh heater engine. Hell in the summer, > sweeettt > in the winter. Exactly... Harley's come with two built in heaters. One is a pain to reach though as it's directly under the seat. I just trade off my hands on the front one when they get cold. :) And I didn't even switch from unholey yet.... just put on a long-sleeve shirt under it the last couple days. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 20:16:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e870GWH10620 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGrpQPmI8QUO+3TlvzB4e4mUw=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FHBT9NC3; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:14:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:10:02 -0400 Subject: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point Message-ID: <20000906.201003.-145549.3.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-8,10-11,13 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick I hope to make this event and get back on the track after a year. Hope to meet some other listers, as I just subscribed. I understand there are still plenty of spots available, so give Joe in parts a call at the Herndon Cycle Sport. If you've never been on the track, this is a great way to do it. Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 21:26:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e871QEH11681 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TZimm2450@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.35.9e528a6 (3878) for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:26:03 -0400 (EDT) From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.9e528a6.26e848aa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:26:02 EDT Subject: Dale Horstman (the Horkster) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I tried to reply to your email and there seemed to be a problem. The helmet is a Large red shoei (7 1/8 to 7 1/2) this includes the cover also. Trevor From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 21:34:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e871YLH11836 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.48.a93ffa4 (8479) for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.a93ffa4.26e84a8f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:34:07 EDT Subject: Spirited Ride Saturday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Hey folks, Could someone please post the route for the "spirited ride" on Saturday? I've been travelling quite a bit lately and was wondering if I missed the details. Thanks, Jonathan '00 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 21:48:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e871mvH12090 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id o.b2.a53ccd7 (16789); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:48:37 EDT Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point To: celticracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/6/00 8:17:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, celticracing@XXXXXX writes: > I hope to make this event and get back on the track after a year. Hope > to meet some other listers, as I just subscribed. I understand there are > still plenty of spots available, so give Joe in parts a call at the > Herndon Cycle Sport. If you've never been on the track, this is a great > way to do it. I'll be there as well, with a couple other listers hopefully :) I'm probably going to be a control rider for the day... I keep forgetting to call them, guess I should. Anyway - anyone who's going, make sure and call them so we get in... though I don't think I've ever seen them turn away people. I also believe Cycle Sport requires you go to a 1 hour meeting at their store prior to the track day, so calling this week would be a plus. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 22:05:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87252H12400 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA09547; Wed, 6 Sep 1972 22:10:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1972 22:10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FOUND: Re: another stolen bike to watch for In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The bike was found by a neighborhood kid about a half mile away. Lots of wiring damage, closer look in the morning. --garcia On Wed, 6 Sep 1972, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Please keep your eyes open for a stolen (from Mt. Pleasant, DC) > motorcycle, a 1988 blue Honda NX-250, missing the plastic bodywork on the > left side. The tag number is (DC) MC254; vin number JH2MD2109JK000205. > If seen, call DC police or me (202-234-9229). Reward. Thanks. > > --garcia > > "Forget world peace---visualize using your turn signals." > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 22:40:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e872elH12940 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGrgwRVK/1taAFhFsmzEnQDKQ=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FHB4JV7N; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:39:44 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:32:59 -0400 Subject: Requirements for Cycle Sport Track Day Message-ID: <20000906.223447.-145549.5.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,8-9,11-12,17-22,24-25,27-28,30-31,33 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Bryan made some good points. As I remember it (check with Cycle Sport to confirm): -They do require that you go to a seminar which explains the flags used by the cornerworkers and other information relevant to riding on a track. -They do require that you tape up or remove glass and safety wire your oil drain plug. -They do require appropriate safety gear - leather jacket and pants or two pairs of jeans. It is free to get in that day. It only costs to ride. So it makes for a great social event if a group of people just want to watch or support a friend. Support is ALWAYS a good idea at the track. In fact, it is essential. I drove home two hours with my humerous in two pieces. Not fun. Bring gas, as the pumps are available on a limited basis. Also, bring food and plenty of water and/or gatorade. But, again, if you have any interest in going, call Joe ASAP. They have cut off the number of riders in the past. They like to hold it to 60. Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 23:11:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e873BaH13418 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-225.s225.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.225] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Ws69-000516-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:11:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00c401c01879$77cb5e60$e16daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <48.a93ffa4.26e84a8f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Spirited Ride Saturday Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:12:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Bad news on my end. The J.V. football game that we were supposed to have tonight has been postponed to Saturday a.m. Can you believe it, of all the bad luck, and I have no idea why they (North Stafford H.S) post-poned it. Sorry, but I will be unable to lead or join in on the ride. I am bummed, but hopefully someone will pick up the slack. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:34 PM Subject: Spirited Ride Saturday > Hey folks, > > Could someone please post the route for the "spirited ride" on Saturday? > I've been travelling quite a bit lately and was wondering if I missed the > details. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > '00 YZF600R > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 6 23:41:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e873f0H13898 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.13.240.172]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000907034031.XBUD4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:40:31 -0700 Message-ID: <39B70E14.88B2A2A8@home.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:40:05 -0400 From: Gary Ellal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Please unsubsribe References: <200009062300.e86N0CC09263@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please unsubscribe me from this list. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 06:15:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87AFnH21224 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.65.969a2e1 (7878); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <65.969a2e1.26e8c4ca@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:15:38 EDT Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 9/6/00 9:50:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: << Anyway - anyone who's going, make sure and call them so we get in >> Bryan, If I get some jetting parts for the TD from Sudco in time I might go for some testing to get ready for the GNF. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 06:17:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87AH4H21234 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id o.9d.a64a465 (7878); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9d.a64a465.26e8c515@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:16:53 EDT Subject: Re: Requirements for Cycle Sport Track Day To: celticracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Can you bring a racebike and do some tuning?? Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 08:19:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rmx308-mta.mail.com (rmx308-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87CJjH23060 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web112-wra.mail.com (web112-wra.mail.com [165.251.33.142]) by rmx308-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA12559; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384546117.968329181564.JavaMail.root@web112-wra.mail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:19:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Fitzpatrick To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Requirements for Cycle Sport Track Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 159.142.141.149 Yes, many do bring their race bikes. I will be doing so. However, keep in mind that this is not a Tune and Test or a MARRC track day. It is much more controlled. No passing in the morning, limited passing in the afternoon. Control riders are placed between every two participants. The emphasis is definitely on safety, followed closely by an emphasis on fun. And, as they usually point out, crashing ain't fun. I would say that the vast majority of the bikes are street bikes. Which is why it is such a good way for first timers to get on the track - to see if this might be something a potential racer wants to pursue. Having said all of that, I hope I didn't discourage you. It offers a lot of track time, and sure beats the hell out of trying to tune your bike by racing around the block while looking out for the local constable. Of course, the best thing to do is to call Joe at the Herndon Cycle Sport and ask him any questions you may have. (703) 471-6990. It's how I got started down the road to financial ruination. So, come on down, and I'll explain the finer points of juggling promotional rates on cash advances. Tom ------Original Message------ From: Boiade@XXXXXX To: celticracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: September 7, 2000 10:16:53 AM GMT Subject: Re: Requirements for Cycle Sport Track Day Can you bring a racebike and do some tuning?? Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 09:28:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87DSrH24213 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20642 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 06:28:46 -0700 Date: 7 Sep 2000 06:28:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20000907132846.20641.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Sep 2000 13:28:46 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Sep 2000 06:28:46 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jonman72@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Spirited Ride Saturday On Wed, 06 September 2000, Jonman72@XXXXXX wrote: I'll post them this evening when I get home. :-) Laura > > Hey folks, > > Could someone please post the route for the "spirited ride" on Saturday? > I've been travelling quite a bit lately and was wondering if I missed the > details. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > '00 YZF600R ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 09:51:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87DpkH24664 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id o.2b.a713163 (15895); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:51:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:51:23 EDT From: Boiade@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Requirements for Cycle Sport Track Day To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <2b.a713163.26e8f75b@aol.com> Cedric, I have to be able to get on and off the track as I make adjustments to my jetting, i.e. if I am able to change various jets and needles then get back on the track that's fine, if not it isn't beneficial. I don't need to pass anybody, but I need to run the bike a certain way at different throttle positions so riding around at a set speed with a bunch of 4-stroke street bikes may not be the ideal situation to jet a 2-stroke. May have to enter the upcoming CCS race to set up the bike for the WERA GNF. ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 09:54:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87DssH24696 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA19900 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:54:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA19896 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:54:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16380; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000907095529.009e77b0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:56:24 -0400 To: Bill Huson From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning Cc: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39B6BB25.1F70BAC5@patriot.net> References: <4.1.20000906163512.00a70390@intertv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Didn't say I used them yet. I just have them. I don't usually hook the electrics up 'till it's at LEAST under 40 degrees - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 05:46 PM 9/6/00 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: >Good grief !!! All I did was switch from my vento-jacket to the unholey leather >jacket. And I did wear my new full face hat. It wasn't that cold. Course, >I do >have an air cooled, foot/leg/thigh heater engine. Hell in the summer, sweeettt >in the winter. > >Bill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 10:08:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87E8bH24940 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA3021301 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B7A153.393C09B6@radix.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:08:19 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning References: <4.1.20000906163512.00a70390@intertv.com> <4.1.20000907095529.009e77b0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > Didn't say I used them yet. I just have them. I don't usually hook the > electrics up 'till it's at LEAST under 40 degrees I tend to draw the 'riding to work' line at 50 (quit laughing, it's 50 mile 1 way ride !). I've previously used an insulated Vent Tech 2 pc suit, but this year, I've been using a Stich [bought right here on DCC mail list :-) ] . Today as I passed the local thermometer, it read 56, & I had no trouble... I've ridden in to work with same thermo. reading 46. That was my imitation of a human popsicle. Maybe electrics aren't such a bad idea... Considering in the past 2 days I bought gas for DUSW (Der Uber Sheisse Wagen) at $32.00, & the bike, $6 ... I think I'll be riding a little longer this year... 40... BRRRRR... I get chills just thinking about weather that cold... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 10:15:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87EFmH25123 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20610 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:15:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000907101425.00d4a140@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:15:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning In-Reply-To: <39B7A153.393C09B6@radix.net> References: <4.1.20000906163512.00a70390@intertv.com> <4.1.20000907095529.009e77b0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:08 AM 9/7/00 , Dave Yates wrote: >40... BRRRRR... I get chills just thinking about weather that cold... 25 is my cut off. Below that, my insulated pants don't insulate, and my gloves are useless. Fortunately, it was over 25 all but a very few days last year. Black ice is fun. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 10:24:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87EOoH25221 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21827 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 07:24:44 -0700 Date: 7 Sep 2000 07:24:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20000907142444.21826.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Sep 2000 14:24:44 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Sep 2000 07:24:44 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Any volunteers? We need a brave soul to lead the spirited group on Saturday, otherwise...probably no spirited group for the ride on Saturday. Let me know if anyone is interested, otherwise, we'll just wing it. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 10:31:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87EVHH25444 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjfpy19057; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:31:16 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjfpy25084; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:30:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:30:18 -0400 To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Any volunteers? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1243785476==_ma============" --============_-1243785476==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If I can get some new rubber in time, I can lead the 'spirited' ride. What are the details again? (Sorry, I wasn't paying attention....) "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1243785476==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" GenevaIf I can get some new rubber in time, I can lead the 'spirited' ride. What are the details again? (Sorry, I wasn't paying attention....) "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1243785476==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 11:24:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87FOlH26341 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 25119 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 08:24:40 -0700 Date: 7 Sep 2000 08:24:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20000907152439.25118.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Sep 2000 15:24:39 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Sep 2000 08:24:39 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: celticracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point I've ever seen them turn away people. I also believe Cycle Sport > requires you go to a 1 hour meeting at their store prior to the track day, so > calling this week would be a plus. I called this morning and got the forms. First time participants have to attent a safety seminar on the 12th or 14th at 7 pm at the Cycle Sport in Herndon. Space is still available and it costs $135 due when you sign up. They faxed me the forms and said I could fax back with CC# or bring it by. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 11:26:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87FQdH26354 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA3209646 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B7B39E.A24E396E@radix.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:26:22 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning References: <4.1.20000906163512.00a70390@intertv.com> <4.1.20000907095529.009e77b0@XXXXXX> <4.2.0.58.20000907101425.00d4a140@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > 25 is my cut off. Below that, my insulated pants don't insulate, and my > gloves are useless. Fortunately, it was over 25 all but a very few days > last year. > > Black ice is fun. PSSTT... Mike. You forgot to take your meds again... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 11:42:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87FgLH26728 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 18024 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 08:42:14 -0700 Date: 7 Sep 2000 08:42:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20000907154213.18023.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Sep 2000 15:42:13 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Sep 2000 08:42:13 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning > > > > Black ice is fun. > > PSSTT... Mike. You forgot to take your meds again... actually, that's the new drug mike's been selling out of his house. People stopping by at all hours of the night next door to my house...it's crazy! He won't give out free samples though...I've been trying because he always seems so happy on the stuff. Just kidding, Mike! ;-) > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 11:46:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87FkeH26827 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0I00361X4WS2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:46:08 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:46:08 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: celticracing@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF28@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" could you give tne number for cycle sport? Thanks, -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:25 AM To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: celticracing@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point I've ever seen them turn away people. I also believe Cycle Sport > requires you go to a 1 hour meeting at their store prior to the track day, so > calling this week would be a plus. I called this morning and got the forms. First time participants have to attent a safety seminar on the 12th or 14th at 7 pm at the Cycle Sport in Herndon. Space is still available and it costs $135 due when you sign up. They faxed me the forms and said I could fax back with CC# or bring it by. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 11:56:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87Fu8H26971 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e87Fu4d19310 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point In-Reply-To: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF28@resie03.ie.cw.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So, if there's limited passing and control riders what kind of pace do these things go at? Is the limit to the passing something along the lines of what CSS does (give the passee a lot of room, e.g., 10'+ and do most of the passing on the straights)? The fact that these track days occur on workdays makes them pretty enticing but only if the riding isn't limited to whoever's slowest or some common denominator... Disclaimer: I'm slow, I just don't want to have to go as slow as the guy slower than me. Thanks, Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 12:04:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87G4FH27156 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA3214320 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B7BC6F.715559C0@radix.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:03:59 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning References: <20000907154213.18023.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > actually, that's the new drug mike's been selling out of his house. People stopping by at all hours of the night next door to my house...it's crazy! He won't give out free samples though...I've been trying because he always seems so happy on the stuff. > > Just kidding, Mike! ;-) Boy. Darn good thing you didn't post that to the list, there LAG, as we know there are LEO's on the list. :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 12:07:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87G7SH27270 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id k.e1.9649998 (4331); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:07:02 EDT Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/7/00 11:57:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > So, if there's limited passing and control riders what kind of pace do > these things go at? Is the limit to the passing something along the lines > of what CSS does (give the passee a lot of room, e.g., 10'+ and do most of > the passing on the straights)? > > The fact that these track days occur on workdays makes them pretty > enticing but only if the riding isn't limited to whoever's slowest or some > common denominator... Disclaimer: I'm slow, I just don't want to have to > go as slow as the guy slower than me. They break people into seperate groups based on experience, and move people if they end up being too slow or too fast. For the most part, the days I've done have been pretty well run by the shops. As an experienced racer, I found that even the fastest group is too slow, especially if you race a lightweight bike... the guy on the 130hp R1 in front of you parks it into every corner from T1 - T10, then pulls the trigger down the front stretch leaving your 70hp FZR in the dust - but these days are not supposed to be for experienced racers, they're supposed to be for street riders... and the fast group has the fastest guys on the street in it. As a racer... you just have to accomodate a little... I found that I could either A) Not hit the brakes in T1 untill I saw Elvis, scaring the hell outa the "fast guy" on his R1 that starting braking at start/finish, or simply let him go for a lap, then catch him the next... then repeat. There are always alternatives :) Also, I could focus on only cornering, and not trying to run fast laps. I'm gonna call and see if they need any more control riders, otherwise I'll just sign up and make the best of it. Plus, I'll be holding the First anual DC-Cycles racing clinic as it is, so it's not that big of deal anyway. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 12:19:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87GJKH27498 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 14936 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 09:19:12 -0700 Date: 7 Sep 2000 09:19:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20000907161912.14935.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Sep 2000 16:19:12 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Sep 2000 09:19:12 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: lgranato@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning On Thu, 07 September 2000, LAURA GRANATO wrote: Black ice is fun. > > > > PSSTT... Mike. You forgot to take your meds again... > > actually, that's the new drug mike's been selling out of his house. People stopping by at all hours of the night next door to my house...it's crazy! He won't give out free samples though...I've been trying because he always seems so happy on the stuff. > > Just kidding, Mike! ;-) OK, for all the goofballs out there...I am totally kidding with this remark! so don't go getting freaky on me! Just having fun...geeeeeeeeeeez! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 12:27:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87GRfH27689 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20957 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:27:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000907122618.00d344d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:27:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning In-Reply-To: <20000907161912.14935.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:19 PM 9/7/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >OK, for all the goofballs out there...I am totally kidding with this >remark! so don't go getting freaky on me! Just having fun...geeeeeeeeeeez! No more crack for you. MT ..... anxiously awaiting the jackbooted DEA agents..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 12:38:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87GcJH27920 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.a7.7258f2d (5717); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:38:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:38:01 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: What!!!!!!??? DC Cycles First Annual Racing Clinic?! On a WORK day!? Now I'm bummed Bryan. I won't be able to go to that. :o( And I, as a new racer, could use all the help I can get. Especially from fellow teammates. Jess "Patch" Morgan (don't ask what Patch means unless you REALLY want to know :o) ) WERA Novice #435 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 13:07:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87H7iH28566 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27038; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:07:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Judging from the Loudoun Motorsports track day I did last year (which may or may not be a representative sample), you probably won't have a problem. They divided up the track day into three groups, the fastest of which all seemed to be racers seeking extra track time. I was in the intermediate group and didn't have any trouble stretching the throttle cables taut most of the time. The "no passing in the morning" and "no passing except on the straights in the afternoon" did sometimes bug me, but I still got plenty of full-throttle, full lean (for me) action to justify doing the track day. The only real negative to doing the track day, and it is a reality, was the fact that I was kinda bummed riding on the street for a long while after that. It just wasn't very interesting. I've lost that feeling now, but it bothered me at the time. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Loud pipes on a VTR sound amazing when the bike goes by the pits at full throttle. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:56 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point So, if there's limited passing and control riders what kind of pace do these things go at? Is the limit to the passing something along the lines of what CSS does (give the passee a lot of room, e.g., 10'+ and do most of the passing on the straights)? The fact that these track days occur on workdays makes them pretty enticing but only if the riding isn't limited to whoever's slowest or some common denominator... Disclaimer: I'm slow, I just don't want to have to go as slow as the guy slower than me. Thanks, Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 13:16:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87HGSH28734 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G0J00D011A4YR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G0J00BLK1A46G@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0G0J00B011A4GA@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G0J00B011A3EO@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com ([166.37.204.5]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G0J003FP19Z7K@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:15:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.153.179]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20000907171613.IZCN766@XXXXXX>; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:16:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:14:50 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <39B7CD0A.A9BA6C1C@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Kirk Roy wrote: > Disclaimer: I'm slow, I just don't want to have to > go as slow as the guy slower than me. :) I bet this describes how a lot of us like to ride. :) Horkster (slower than Kirk) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 13:54:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87HsIH29353 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0J00702321AZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:54:01 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:54:00 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point To: "'Dale Horstman'" , Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF2A@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Went over on my lunch break and spoke to Joe. (He runs the track days) He's a real nice guy. Had a lot of good information and spend a while discussing the whole thing with me. He told me this *could* be the last Cycle Sport track day (too bad it's one of their few redeeming qualities) because he runs the whole program and will be going back to school next year. Someone else *may* pick the program up at Cycle Sports, but no decision has been made yet. Joe said that Louden has 1 a year, but Power Sports was running 3. Needless to say I signed up. -Calvin '00 Interceptor -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horskster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:15 PM To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point Kirk Roy wrote: > Disclaimer: I'm slow, I just don't want to have to > go as slow as the guy slower than me. :) I bet this describes how a lot of us like to ride. :) Horkster (slower than Kirk) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 13:59:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87HxfH29460 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17059 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 10:59:34 -0700 Date: 7 Sep 2000 10:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: <20000907175934.17058.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Sep 2000 17:59:34 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Sep 2000 10:59:34 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: the.horskster@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point I just don't want to have to > > go as slow as the guy slower than me. OR GAL! :-) anyways...don't ride near me...on my GS, I'm sure to be at the back of the beginner pack, but I'll be sure to have one huge smile on my face! Laura > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 16:05:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rmx460-mta.mail.com (rmx460-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87K5uH01953 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web340-wra.mail.com (web340-wra.mail.com [165.251.33.70]) by rmx460-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01375; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384515948.968357063972.JavaMail.root@web340-wra.mail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:04:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Fitzpatrick To: "Ledford, Calvin" , "'LAURA GRANATO'" , BryanRoach@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 159.142.141.149 (703) 471-6990 Ask for Joe ------Original Message------ From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: 'LAURA GRANATO' , BryanRoach@XXXXXX Sent: September 7, 2000 3:46:08 PM GMT Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point could you give tne number for cycle sport? Thanks, -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:25 AM To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: celticracing@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point I've ever seen them turn away people. I also believe Cycle Sport > requires you go to a 1 hour meeting at their store prior to the track day, so > calling this week would be a plus. I called this morning and got the forms. First time participants have to attent a safety seminar on the 12th or 14th at 7 pm at the Cycle Sport in Herndon. Space is still available and it costs $135 due when you sign up. They faxed me the forms and said I could fax back with CC# or bring it by. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 18:37:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87MbCH05017 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skynet (user-2ivelba.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.106]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA06532 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006401c0191c$56dee200$6a55f7a5@sky.net> From: "Gavin Ruddy" To: Subject: Motorcycle Accident Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:38:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'm on the digest format so I don't know if anyone posted anything about this. I saw a motorcycle accident at about 6:30 am this morning in the HOV lanes of 395 at the Pentagon exit. I didn't witness the accident but saw a black looked like a Ninja down on the road with two state troopers by it. I didn't see any ambulances or anything. I hope it was no one on the list. Does anyone have the scoop? I was hoping to be able to make it to the relaxed ride this weekend. But the bike is due for it's first service so I figured I'd better wait. Maybe next time. Back to lurk mode.... Gavin Ruddy Lorton, VA 2000 BMW R1100RT From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 18:41:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87MfGH05063 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15050 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2000 22:41:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000907224113.15049.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:41:13 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Motorcycle Accident To: Gavin Ruddy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I went by with my black ZX6 Ninja at 9:00 there was no trace of the accident left. Leon. --- Gavin Ruddy wrote: > I'm on the digest format so I don't know if anyone > posted anything about > this. > I saw a motorcycle accident at about 6:30 am this > morning in the HOV lanes > of 395 at the Pentagon exit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 18:50:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87MoGH05340 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGrbG2e9AcHvw5cQFYdED/pjA=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FHD9P6B3; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:48:28 EDT To: race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:43:24 -0400 Subject: MARRC Needs Cornerworkers/Helpers for Special Event Message-ID: <20000907.184325.-150495.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-28,30-31,33-34,36-37 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Please call the contacts below directly --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Capen To: MARRC Members Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:16:17 -0400 Subject: Help Wanted, for the Blue/Gray Challenge Workers are wanted for SVRA's 7th Annual Blue/Gray Challenge at Summit Point Raceway September 29-October 1, 2000 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday Lunch will be provided each day by MARRC Friday's supper will at the Blue/Gray Cook-Off Saturday's supper will be provided by MARRC Interested? Please contact: Roger Bacon at or (703) 329-5850 Bill Powers at or (301) 791-6167 John Capen at or (410) 997-2554 Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 19:54:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87NsPH06419 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id v.c2.4d1180 (1814) for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:54:11 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:54:11 EDT Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > Although I haven't had to fire up the 'lectrics yet, just zip closed > a vent or two, I'm good for another 10 degrees or so. :) > > Horkster Yeah, but I remember what it was like to ride behind that barn door in hot weather :-( I can put up with a bit of chill, but couldn't take that heat on a long term basis. Guess that I'm stuck with non-faired bikes Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 19:56:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87NudH06432 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id v.20.b273901 (1814) for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20.b273901.26e9852e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:56:30 EDT Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > I do have an air cooled, foot/leg/thigh heater engine. Hell in the summer, > sweeettt in the winter. What I want to know is where the heat that roasts my legs in the summer is in the winter! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 19:57:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e87NvCH06506 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8977 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 16:56:44 -0700 Received: from PPPa27-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.184) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 7 Sep 2000 16:56:44 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Sep 2000 23:56:44 GMT Message-ID: <003501c01927$392ddda0$b87c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Ride routes for Saturday and other stuff Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:56:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C01905.B070FEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C01905.B070FEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all! Here are the ride routes for Saturday's ride. The relaxed ride group is good to go, but the spirited ride group is iffy. So, here's the deal. If people want to have a faster group on Saturday, just get yourselves together then and decide who is going to lead. I personally have never seen the riding skills of most of the spirited riders (because I'm always way behind :-) So I'll leave it up to you guys (and gals) to decide who leads it and is responsible for the group. Meeting time: 9:30 am, this Saturday (9th), Leaving NLT 10 am!!!! Place: Sheetz in Haymarket at corner of 55 and 15 Make sure bike is full before we leave b/c there are only a few gas stops on the way, and one is real soon after we start, so we won't be stopping there. ;-) If you have never been on a group ride, please find me and I'll go over the signals and "rules" with you before we leave. If you have any other questions, let me know. Otherwise, print out the ride sheet for whichever group you'll be in, meet at Sheetz at 9:30, and I'll see you then! Weather looks like it's going to be perfect. (See Rob, I told you I'd save it for this day!) 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C01905.B070FEA0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 20:46:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e880kqH07560 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 29590 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 17:46:43 -0700 Received: from PPPa13-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.170) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 7 Sep 2000 17:46:43 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Sep 2000 00:46:43 GMT Message-ID: <003001c0192e$34cfd680$aa7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: ride routes for digesters...sorry! Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:46:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sorry digesters...didn't know that attachments don't do so well for you all...so here are the ride routes...spirited first, then relaxed toward the bottom. SPIRITED RIDE ROUTE LEAVING FROM THE SHEETZ IN HAYMARKET AT THE INTERSECTION OF 55 AND 15: L 55 S X 15 L Blantrye Rd./628 L Route 17/Winchester Rd. BR Route 15/Broadview Ave. in Warrenton S X 211/Waterloo St. R Culpepper St./802 R Harts Mill Rd./688 S X 211 S X 647 S X 635 S X 55 L Route 17 L Route 50 R 606 R Route 7 R 601 Re-group at the end of 601 at Route 50. Then back-track on 601 to Route 7. Repeat this as many times as you want! R Route 7 R 748 L Yellow Schoolhouse Rd./831 R Route 7 Take Business Route 7 into Round Hill R New Cut Rd./719 (Airmont Rd.) R 734/Snickersville Turnpike R 611/St. Louis Rd. - flashing yellow light L Route 50/John Mosby Hwy. to Middleburg R 626/Plains Rd. R 55 Lunch stop in The Plains at The Rail Stop RELAXED RIDE ROUTE Leaving from Sheetz at Haymarket at Intersection of 55 and 15: L 55 S X 15 55 through The Plains and Marshall L 721 R 647/Crest Hill Rd. R 635/Hume Rd. R 688/Leeds Manor Rd. L to stay on 688 just past RR tracks/10 mph turn S X 55 L Route 17 L Route 50 R 606 R Route 7 (option: R on 601 to end, X and regroup, then back) L Get onto Business Route 7 going into Round Hill or Right exit and left at bottom (Gas station here) R 719/Airmont Rd. L 734/Snickersville Turnpike R 611/St. Louis Rd. - flashing yellow light L Route 50/John Mosby Hwy. to Middleburg R 626/Plains Rd. (gas station here) R 55 Lunch stop in The Plains at The Rail Stop or back down 55 to Joe's. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 20:54:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e880sJH07675 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-14.patriot.net [209.249.180.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e880sEH08099; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:54:14 -0400 Message-ID: <39B8388A.3CCE5337@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:53:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning References: <20.b273901.26e9852e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > I do have an air cooled, foot/leg/thigh heater engine. Hell in the summer, > > sweeettt in the winter. > > What I want to know is where the heat that roasts my legs in the summer is in > the winter! > > Michael J. EWeeelll, you could tyr one of those *dumb* looking lap blankees the motor cops use. That'll keep you very toasty, and also serve as temp birth control - heat fries the fish, so to speak :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 21:04:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88144H07852 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id v.ad.4adb12 (1814) for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:03:51 EDT Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > EWeeelll, you could tyr one of those *dumb* looking lap blankees the motor cops > use. That'll keep you very toasty, and also serve as temp birth control - heat > fries the fish, so to speak :-) > > Bill I've got a pair of large bib-type ski pants that work well - I'm not sure just how far down, I've never been there (on the bike). As far as the fish, I had them filleted by an Air Force doctor some 20+ years ago =:o Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 21:25:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e881PeH08146 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-14.patriot.net [209.249.180.14]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e881PUH11585; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: <39B83FDF.630AC14F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:24:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > EWeeelll, you could tyr one of those *dumb* looking lap blankees the motor > cops > > use. That'll keep you very toasty, and also serve as temp birth control - > heat > > fries the fish, so to speak :-) > > > > Bill > > I've got a pair of large bib-type ski pants that work well - I'm not sure > just how far down, I've never been there (on the bike). > > As far as the fish, I had them filleted by an Air Force doctor some 20+ years > ago =:o > > Michael J. Good plan! Last time one of those test strips showed positive my only question was - Does Social Security have college tuition assistance? For some strange reason, Milady didn't see the humor in that. For heavy duty chillys, I have a snowmobile suit. Now if the damn Hawg would only kick over in sub-freezing weather I could use the snowmobile suit. To lazy to swap out the 20/50 oil, which is tar at 32 F. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 21:47:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e881lpH08575 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:47:43 -0700 Received: from 207.51.197.109 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:47:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.51.197.109] From: "shelly benson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:47:43 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2000 01:47:43.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7EC1480:01C01936] unsubscribe _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 21:53:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e881r1H08655 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.50.a902e7b (4418); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:52:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <50.a902e7b.26e9a071@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:52:49 EDT Subject: Re: Ride routes for Saturday and other stuff To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 If'n I don't get rubber on the CBR in time, I'll still lead the 'spirited' ride on the SRX. You guys'll have me on the straights, but don't worry 'bout the twisty stuff none....heheheheh.. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 21:58:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e881wLH08806 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-29.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.157]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA32404; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B872E1.A94B6A5C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:02:25 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride routes for Saturday and other stuff References: <003501c01927$392ddda0$b87c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DISCLAIMER FOR SPIRITED RIDE ROUTE Since I'm the guy who put this route together (but, unfortunately, can't do the ride), I feel like I should let y'all know the following: - I have not personally ridden the R on Culpepper St./802 and R on Harts Mill Rd./688 out of Warrenton. 802 is marked as a "main road" on the map so I'm nearly 100% sure it's a good road to ride on. But I don't know about that portion of 688. I may have ridden it before with Danny Thompson, but just don't remember. I know I've ridden other sections of 688 (further north) and it's a good road, but just can't vouch for this particular section of it. - Ditto for the L on Yellow Schoolhouse Rd./831 off of 748. Also, Laura may have mentioned this in one of her previous emails about this ride. Business Route 7 into Round Hill is actually a left turn off of Route 7. It's marked, but not with a very big sign. When we did the pre-ride a few weekends back, this one snuck up on us (easy to do if you're going "fast" on Route 7). We were in the right lane. I saw the sign at the last second, moved over, and braked hard to make the turn. Rob and Laura missed the turn. My advice: After making the R on Route 7 after Yellow Schoolhouse Rd./831 (assuming this road works), get in the left lane and keep your eyes open for the Round Hill/Business Route 7 sign! I hope everyone has a fun and safe ride. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 22:09:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8829bH08993 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:09:04 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I dont remember seeing this many unsubs before. Is all this guns/thieves/helmet talk scaring everyone off? Cant we discuss something more pleasent and something we all agree on? How about . . . . . . our mutual disdain for the Harley-Davidson brand and those who choose to ride them? Dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 22:10:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e882AGH09006 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.95.4a69b7 (4390) for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <95.4a69b7.26e9a47f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:10:07 EDT Subject: Re: Ride routes for Saturday and other stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << but the spirited ride group is iffy. So, here's the deal. If people want to have a faster group on Saturday, just get yourselves together then and decide who is going to lead. >> If Sean can't lead or the group is big I'll offer to lead a fast group. I don't think you'll be bored (former Mid-Atlantic champion in Heavyweight & Unlimited Superbike and 2nd an GNF)... :) So any spirited riders don't be afraid of showing up and no one to lead the ride... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 22:27:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e882RIH09297 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000908022716.BEQZ4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:27:16 -0700 Message-ID: <39B84E81.4BF24D13@home.com> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:27:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Gavin Ruddy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Accident References: <20000907224113.15049.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > When I went by with my black ZX6 Ninja at 9:00 there > was no trace of the accident left. > > Leon. Whew! Had me worried there for a minute, bud. :) Ride Safe, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 23:17:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e883HeH10234 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000908031732.6790.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.83.152] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:17:32 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Disdain for Harleys? To: David Cross Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brother, I trully like 'em all. All they need is two wheels... I even like a few with three. Judge not less Ye be judged...on a bike. Are you suffering from Pork Envy? -Corbett '99 K1200RS --- David Cross wrote: Cant we discuss something more pleasent and > something we all agree on? How > about . . . > . . . our mutual disdain for the Harley-Davidson > brand and those who choose > to ride them? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 7 23:54:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e883sGH10850 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.20.b23d074 (4206) for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20.b23d074.26e9bcde@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:54:06 EDT Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 9/6/00 4:36:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzell@XXXXXX writes: << lectrics are great, aren't they? Now we just have to convert you to the Gerbing heated jacket liner. mmmmmmmmmmmmm toasty. : ) >> I have installed Hot Grips on my bikes they are the best thing since sliced bread. Hot and Toasty hands on a chilly morning make it sooo much better, to get the best effect from them you need to wear normal riding gloves not thick winter ones. if you have not tried them I highly recommend them! Richard McC From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 00:00:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8840iH11031 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.9d.a6dec5e (4206) for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9d.a6dec5e.26e9be5e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:00:30 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 9/7/00 6:39:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gavinman@XXXXXX writes: << saw a motorcycle accident at about 6:30 am this morning in the HOV lanes of 395 at the Pentagon exit. I didn't witness the accident but saw a black looked like a Ninja down on the road with two state troopers by it. I didn't s >> As far as I know he rear ended a car which stopped short,fell off but got up and only appeared pissed off at the driver of the car. not much damage to either. I only know this because about six people at work took great pleasure in telling me the story. Richard McC From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 08:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88CY7H19914 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-26.patriot.net [209.249.180.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e88CXuH26070 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:33:57 -0400 Message-ID: <39B8DC81.FDE99194@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:33:05 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The week of crazies ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So while we're chugging down the highway we must watch for bad drivers, an occassional nutcase who thinks emptying his/her *nine* is a proper response to a percieved driving infraction. But now we have knife fights!!! (truckers on 95 in MD) Good grief! Maybe us scooters need to carry lances and swords? And don't forget, we have to watch out for overpass divers. (495 in VA) INCOMING!!! Practice your swerve skills, scoot fans. And stay well behind trucks lest they jettson cargo. (395 in VA - heavy metal/495 in VA - loada lumber) YIKES! Trash launch - 12 o'clock - swerveswerveswerve!!! Sheesh. Oh well, off to the crazy highway in a bit. Y`all stay safe out there. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 08:58:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from doberman.cwusa.com (doberman-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88CwTH20299 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by doberman.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25979 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:58:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E902DBCF89@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: Women Riders Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:58:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI Here's a link to a story about women riders. It was written my one of my Canadian buddies and is fairly thoughtful. What do you think? LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 09:05:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88D5rH20456 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:05:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200009080905.AA55706028@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Bill Huson Subject: Re: The week of crazies ??? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Huson >So while we're chugging down the highway we must watch for bad drivers, >an occassional nutcase who thinks emptying his/her *nine* is a proper >response to a percieved driving infraction. But now we have knife >fights!!! (truckers on 95 in MD) Good grief! Maybe us scooters need to >carry lances and swords? Naw, but it's an interesting thought. I subscribe to the time-honored survival tradition of mammals: be small, fast, and STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY. >And don't forget, we have to watch out for overpass divers. (495 in VA) >INCOMING!!! Practice your swerve skills, scoot fans. And stay well >behind trucks lest they jettson cargo. (395 in VA - heavy metal/495 in >VA - loada lumber) YIKES! Trash launch - 12 o'clock - >swerveswerveswerve!!! >Sheesh. Oh well, off to the crazy highway in a bit. Y`all stay safe >out there. I find it helps if I just accept that I'm riding in the middle of a Mad Max movie ... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 09:13:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from doberman.cwusa.com (doberman-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88DDRH20545 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by doberman.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27311 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:13:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E902DBCF93@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Women Riders Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:13:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, Randy. It's just too damn early... http://www.just2ride.com/just4women.html LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: Tanner, Linda [mailto:Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:58 AM To: DC-CYCLES (E-mail) Subject: Women Riders FYI Here's a link to a story about women riders. It was written my one of my Canadian buddies and is fairly thoughtful. What do you think? LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 09:34:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88DYqH20898 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23057 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09622 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27934 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:34:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000908092859.00dbc890@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:34:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Ouch! My Boot! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Taking a sharp corner this morning, I reminded myself why I should keep the balls of my boots on the pegs. The side of my right boot surprised me by catching ground and twisting up. Instant leg cramp. Had to pull over and walk it off. On the bright side, that is the first time that has ever happened. I scraped my left peg last month (for the first time) without hitting my boot. Must be the new tires. I forgot how good new rubber feels. I'm just going to leave that statement hanging out there. Take the pressure off Jeanette. ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 09:41:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88Df6H21149 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88DeiI10481 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:40:44 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: The week of crazies ??? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:39:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c0199a$3318dfa0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <39B8DC81.FDE99194@patriot.net> Importance: Normal You forgot the lady truck driver who deposited the entire load of gunpowder in the Mixing Bowl few weeks back... That jumper launched (and landed) just a few blocks from home, that sucks. At least riding makes you realize life is so fragile its truly stupid to toss it away. Not to mention if they had landed on a biker they would have caused two folks to check out. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:33 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The week of crazies ??? So while we're chugging down the highway we must watch for bad drivers, an occassional nutcase who thinks emptying his/her *nine* is a proper response to a percieved driving infraction. But now we have knife fights!!! (truckers on 95 in MD) Good grief! Maybe us scooters need to carry lances and swords? And don't forget, we have to watch out for overpass divers. (495 in VA) INCOMING!!! Practice your swerve skills, scoot fans. And stay well behind trucks lest they jettson cargo. (395 in VA - heavy metal/495 in VA - loada lumber) YIKES! Trash launch - 12 o'clock - swerveswerveswerve!!! Sheesh. Oh well, off to the crazy highway in a bit. Y`all stay safe out there. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 09:45:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88DjrH21292 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23150 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09995 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id o.ce.a5c864c (15867); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:45:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:45:39 EDT Subject: Re: Ouch! My Boot! To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Scraping anything can be scary if you're not prepared for it. I scraped a peg or two last weekend at Nelson Ledges and it scared me so bad I came off the track crying. I know, I know.....but I AM a woman after all. Needless to say, when I did my race that day I finally got my ass OFF the seat. :o) I'd much rather scrape pucks then pegs if I have to scrape anything. And yes Mike, new rubber is good. In more than one place. hehe Your turn Jeanette. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 09:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88DqhH21381 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22638 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2000 06:52:35 -0700 Date: 8 Sep 2000 06:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20000908135235.22637.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Sep 2000 13:52:35 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Sep 2000 06:52:35 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders I think that's a great article. As I read it...somehow it seemed to remind me of our first girls' ride...I'm getting the pictures developed as we speak. Will have to share those. Hmmm...maybe it's time for another gals get together. That was so much fun! And maybe you'll make it this time, Linda. :-) Laura > > It's just too damn early... > > http://www.just2ride.com/just4women.html > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA, USA > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tanner, Linda [mailto:Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:58 AM > To: DC-CYCLES (E-mail) > Subject: Women Riders > > > FYI > > Here's a link to a story about women riders. It was written my one of my > Canadian buddies and is fairly thoughtful. > > What do you think? > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA, USA > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 10:11:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88EBWH21707 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000908141116.2446.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:11:16 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Disdain for Harleys? To: Corbett B Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree...... every motorcycle has a different ride, temperament, and specificsM-^EM-^EM-^E that a rider chooses based on their opinions..... to hate a particular brand or the riders... is to hate intellectual advancement! --- Corbett B wrote: > Brother, I trully like 'em all. All they need is > two > wheels... I even like a few with three. Judge not > less Ye be judged...on a bike. Are you suffering > from > Pork Envy? > > -Corbett '99 K1200RS > > --- David Cross wrote: > > Cant we discuss something more pleasent and > > something we all agree on? How > > about . . . > > . . . our mutual disdain for the Harley-Davidson > > brand and those who choose > > to ride them? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 10:23:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88ENPH22003 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23306 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11124 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23326 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2000 07:23:11 -0700 Date: 8 Sep 2000 07:23:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20000908142310.23325.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Sep 2000 14:23:10 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Sep 2000 07:23:10 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Ouch! My Boot! > > And yes Mike, new rubber is good. In more than one place. Not only is new rubber good in more than one place, it also ensures that your ride is safe. hee hee hee... next! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 10:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88EV9H22191 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:30:44 -0700 Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000090807311106932 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:31:11 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:30:39 -0400 Message-Id: <39B8F810.536BBC89@trw.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:30:39 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders References: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E902DBCF93@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I enjoyed the article. I think sometimes that minority groups (in this case, women motorcycle riders) can be overly sensitive and misperceive an attitude of superiority on the part of the majority (in this case, male motorcycle riders). I've met many women who ride, and I've watched the social interplay in mixed groups of riders. I can honestly say that I have never seen a male rider condescend to or disparage the skills of any female rider, face-to-face or behind her back. I tend to run with the sport bike crowd, and it's usually a matter of how fast everyone thinks you can ride that determines your status, nothing more or less. Guys are just usually surprised by a female motorcyclist, though that is changing as more women become involved in the sport. There was this one time when a friend's wife filled her Harley with diesel. That's as close as I've seen anyone come to comments about "chick bikers", and it was the husband saying it and he was pretty pissed at the time. Anyway, I've seen guys do stupid stuff to make that pale in comparison, so... Randy Moran "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > Here's a link to a story about women riders. It was written my one of my > Canadian buddies and is fairly thoughtful. > http://www.just2ride.com/just4women.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 10:46:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88EkqH22470 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23398 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12040 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0K00B8IP1L9Q@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:46:35 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:46:32 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Re: Ouch! My Boot! To: "'lgranato@XXXXXX'" , "'HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'mike@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF42@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain If you smell the rubber burning then you might have a problem... Otherwise, hot and sticky is how you want your rubber to be... :-) -Calvin Calvin W. Ledford Cable & Wireless cledford@XXXXXX 703-292-2224 -------------------------------------------- Sent from my Blackberry wireless device -------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 10:50:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88EoNH22559 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15335 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2000 07:50:16 -0700 Date: 8 Sep 2000 07:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20000908145016.15334.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Sep 2000 14:50:16 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Sep 2000 07:50:16 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders I can honestly say that I have never seen a male rider condescend > to or disparage the skills of any female rider, face-to-face or behind her > back. On the flip side of this, I have never been involved in anything that is more welcoming than riding a bike. I have made more new friends and gotten more help from people in this sport than in anything else I've ever attempted. Guys really don't look down on women who are trying to ride. I've asked some *stupid* questions, but it's because I'm learning...and I have NEVER had any guy laugh at me, steer me in the wrong direction, or had me push my limits beyond my comfort level. They make me want to try harder and do better. Everyone seems to know that we all start somewhere, and all of the guys (and gals) are ready to help anyone at anytime become a better rider. Who can ask for anything more than that? Plus, on top of that, I've made some great new friends!!! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 10:58:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88EwgH22653 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03744 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:51:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: For Sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Email me for pics of either bike, call their respective numbers for details. Fully restored 1977 Suzuki GS750 Black & chrome (garaged since restoration) Kerker 4:1 exhaust $1,700/obo 202-234-5562 1974 Honda CB 750 Excellent condition, original paint, always garaged Kerker 4:1 exhaust $1,000/obo 703-569-8985 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 11:03:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88F3gH22754 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.94.93edffb (4334); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:03:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.93edffb.26ea59bd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:03:25 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders To: lgranato@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 9/8/00 10:53:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > Guys really don't look down on women who are trying to ride. Hell no. I'll ride behind a woman any time. Especialy if she's on a sportbike. In tight leather... - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 11:12:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88FCfH22934 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15790 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2000 08:12:35 -0700 Date: 8 Sep 2000 08:12:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20000908151235.15789.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Sep 2000 15:12:35 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Sep 2000 08:12:35 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders > > Guys really don't look down on women who are trying to ride. > > Hell no. I'll ride behind a woman any time. > > Especialy if she's on a sportbike. > > In tight leather... GEE, and you guys wonder why us gals brave getting on bikes! ;-) LAG > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 11:14:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88FEYH22962 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.a6.92ff3fd (4334); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:14:12 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders To: lgranato@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 9/8/00 11:06:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: > Hell no. I'll ride behind a woman any time. > > Especialy if she's on a sportbike. > > In tight leather... Well, unless she takes her CBR600F4 out in the wrong practice (0 - 500cc), hits the brakes when no rational human should, then proceeds to move all the way across the track at the last moment before entering T5 for no apparent reason putting herself directly in front of my TZ125 with about a 40mph speed differential.... then later says I should be the one looking out for her. That chick is on my list. Of course... I did get to thrill the spectators by riding on one wheel (the front) for about 20 yards, pivoting the bike in mid-air and entering T5 sideways (without crashing). THAT was fun.... NOT. :) -Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 11:29:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88FT6H23184 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.aa.a47f1e8 (15899); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:28:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:28:47 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: OMG Bryan! That wouldn't have been Audrey would it? On the red bike? If I ever do that, don't ever be shy about telling me. I WANT to know when I'm making mistakes. Just this weekend I had someone give me some advice on leaving space open at the entrance or exit of a turn. Something that just never occurred to me as a new racer. ANY help is much appreciated. ESPECIALLY if I f*** up. Feel free to give me an ass chewing, even if it makes me cry. Jess From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 11:36:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88FavH23429 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G0K00701RCV73@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:36:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G0K0072GRCV5S@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:36:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G0K00601R8NX2@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:33:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G0K00601R8KV9@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:33:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com ([166.37.204.5]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G0K0061DR85P9@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:33:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.153.179]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20000908153650.PLPC766@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:36:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:35:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Disdain for Harleys? To: David Cross Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <39B9073E.25B8BAC7@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20000908031732.6790.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> > --- David Cross wrote: > > Cant we discuss something more pleasent and > > something we all agree on? How > > about . . . > > . . . our mutual disdain for the Harley-Davidson > > brand and those who choose > > to ride them? Guess I'd have nothing to add to that discussion. H-Ds have always been beautiful bikes and seem to be getting more reliable lately. I can see myself owning, riding, and loving one someday if things continue to improve. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 11:38:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88FcdH23449 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from klingon (10.10.10.190 [10.10.10.190]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S374TBVS; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:39:25 -0400 Message-ID: <04d001c019aa$d88455e0$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: <20000907152439.25118.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:38:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I want to go to the Cycle Sport Track day. Anyone recommend a place where I can get my oil drain plug safety wired? Also does anyone one to caravan down to summit? han ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point > I've ever seen them turn away people. I also believe Cycle Sport > > requires you go to a 1 hour meeting at their store prior to the track day, so > > calling this week would be a plus. > > I called this morning and got the forms. > > First time participants have to attent a safety seminar on the 12th or 14th at 7 pm at the Cycle Sport in Herndon. Space is still available and it costs $135 due when you sign up. They faxed me the forms and said I could fax back with CC# or bring it by. > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 11:40:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88FesH23462 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 16338 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2000 08:40:48 -0700 Date: 8 Sep 2000 08:40:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20000908154048.16337.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Sep 2000 15:40:48 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Sep 2000 08:40:48 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders On Fri, 08 September 2000, HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > > OMG Bryan! That wouldn't have been Audrey would it? It was Audrey :-) I talked to her and she knew she messed up big time, but I don't think she realized that it caused problems behind her. She just knew she had put her bike into the wrong practice. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 11:42:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88FgWH23540 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA3454758 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B908D3.6D6F4C6E@radix.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:42:11 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > Feel free to give me an ass chewing, even if it makes me cry. Do you have any sisters ? Just asking... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 12:53:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88GrvH24840 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p44.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.44]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24191 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B91784.38526932@radix.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:44:52 -0400 From: Jim Terry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: helpful riders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was riding home on the backroads of Southern Maryland last night and experience a blowout in the rear tire. I managed to stop safely after some thrilling acrobatics that were witnessed by an on-coming rider. He slowed to watch the show but did'nt stop to offer aid or check on my condition. I called AMA MOTOW and began what seemed like an interminable wait. While I waiting to different women in much derided mini-vans stop and asked if they could help as did a rider who was driving a truck atthe time but identified himself as a rider and comiserated about my plight. Finally the fourth rider to come by stopped to ask if he could help. A fifth rider passed before the tow truck showed up after a two and one half hour rate. To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. Jim From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 13:00:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88H0DH25089 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Fri Sep 8 09:59:11 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:59:11 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning and oil selection X-Sender-Ip: 216.35.69.229 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I run an air-cooled bike with 20/50. With it getting colder and all that and an oil change in the offing, should I downgrade to a thinner oil? right now I use mobile 1 synthetic. Any suggestions? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 13:04:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88H4CH25123 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28425 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:03:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000908130219.00d54960@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:03:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: helpful riders In-Reply-To: <39B91784.38526932@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:44 PM 9/8/00 , Jim Terry wrote: >To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. Damn Jim - 5 people stop to help you and you are upset about it? I can see getting mad at the first guy that witnessed the blowout, but you averaged 1 every half hour. That sounds like a record in DC! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 13:28:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88HShH25578 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: jterry@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: helpful riders Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:26:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My bike has been having battery charging problems the last few weeks, and things finally came to a head yesterday on my ride home. As the battery gets more empty, the bike , starts losing power when it get down to idle revs. So I have to keep the revs up around 3000 to avoid stalls. This gets a lot of nasty looks from nearby motorists. Otherwise, the bike works fine when riding, bad when at lights. In any case, this time the bike actually lost power in mid ride, coming off 395 onto Quaker Lane. I had to stop at the side of the road, and immediately, a guy stopped in a minivan, asking whether I could use some help. Luckily, a quick kick of the kick-starter (thank god for that one), brought the beast back to life, and I was on the road again, keeping the revs up, and pissing everyone within earshot off. Had to take in the Metro (ugh) today, while figuring out what to do about the faulty charging system. Bests, Erik '81 XS-650 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Terry [mailto:jterry@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:45 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: helpful riders I was riding home on the backroads of Southern Maryland last night and experience a blowout in the rear tire. I managed to stop safely after some thrilling acrobatics that were witnessed by an on-coming rider. He slowed to watch the show but did'nt stop to offer aid or check on my condition. I called AMA MOTOW and began what seemed like an interminable wait. While I waiting to different women in much derided mini-vans stop and asked if they could help as did a rider who was driving a truck atthe time but identified himself as a rider and comiserated about my plight. Finally the fourth rider to come by stopped to ask if he could help. A fifth rider passed before the tow truck showed up after a two and one half hour rate. To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. Jim From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 13:41:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88HfPH25765 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.23.acdd05 (4309) for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <23.acdd05.26ea7eb7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:41:11 EDT Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Track Day September 18th at Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 hpark@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone recommend a place where I can get my oil drain plug safety wired? >> Hey Han, If you stop by National airport or Winchester, VA I'll do it for ya. Won't take but a few minutes... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 14:01:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88I1RH26198 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: intcache02.uu.net [153.39.50.42]) id QQjfue11879; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:01:25 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjfue16432; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:01:13 -0400 To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Ride routes for Saturday and other stuff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1243686422==_ma============" --============_-1243686422==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I recieved a fresh set of D207's this afternoon. I'll take them out and scrub them in after work. See you guys tomorrow morning! "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1243686422==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" GenevaI recieved a fresh set of D207's this afternoon. I'll take them out and scrub them in after work. See you guys tomorrow morning! "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1243686422==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 14:13:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88IDcH26378 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 28338 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2000 11:13:12 -0700 Date: 8 Sep 2000 11:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20000908181312.28337.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Sep 2000 18:13:12 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Sep 2000 11:13:12 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jterry@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: helpful riders > > To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. Not to say anything bad about the situation you were in, but from a woman's point of view...I don't think I would have stopped unless it were daylight and was packing heat (just kidding). But seriously...watching damn TV shows and the news now-a-days gets people to thinking that stopping for someone you don't know just isn't safe, especially for women. Was glad to hear two females stopped for you...they are braver than I would have been. I probably, at the least, would have just asked if there was anyone I could call for you... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 14:32:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88IWBH26747 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G0K00K01ZGTV5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:31:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G0K00K3GZGSFU@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:31:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G0K00G01ZCKUZ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:29:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G0K00G01ZCDU2@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:29:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com ([166.37.204.2]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G0K007MTZC7GI@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:28:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.153.179]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20000908183033.PEIQ1524@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:30:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:30:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning and oil selection To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39B93050.907833A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Matthew Patton wrote: > > I run an air-cooled bike with 20/50. With it getting colder and all that and an oil > change in the offing, should I downgrade to a thinner oil? right now I use mobile 1 > synthetic. Matthew, The standard Mobil 1 comes in a 15W-50 weight, are you paying more for the moto-specific stuff? In my experience, Mobil 1 flows better in colder temps than any other oil I've found (just like that darned commercial says) I switch to it when the weather gets cold. Good oil, kind of pricey, though. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 14:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88IpNH27148 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9436 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2000 19:12:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000908191226.9435.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:12:26 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:12:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Motorcycle article in Wash Times To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John McCaslin of the Washington Times does a number of short articles called "Inside the Beltway" In todays paper, there is a story called "Long test drive" that mentions US Senators with Motorcycles. Sen John Kerry of Massachusetts is featured in this one. The URL may be split, if so, paste it together. http://www.washtimes.com/national/inbeltway-200098212614.htm Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 15:12:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88JC3H27712 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 29547 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2000 12:11:46 -0700 Date: 8 Sep 2000 12:11:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20000908191146.29546.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Sep 2000 19:11:46 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Sep 2000 12:11:46 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: spirited riders head's up >From Chuck: Laura, FYI. You may want to tell the spirited group riders that after doing 601 (Mount Weather) they may just want to take Route 7 to the left on Business Route 7 to get into Round Hill rather than the right on 734 and then left on Yellow Schoolhouse Road. Chuck -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Ride routes for Saturday and other stuff Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:47:28 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) To: "Charles V. Pena" i could be wrong but I'm pretty sure yellow schoolhouse road is gravel. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 15:31:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88JVjH28189 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p30.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.158]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19260; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B93C83.2753188C@radix.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:22:44 -0400 From: Jim Terry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helpful riders References: <4.2.0.58.20000908130219.00d54960@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only one of the five motorcycles stopped and asked if I needed help the rest including the guy who watched the incident just kept on going. Jim Troutman wrote: > At 12:44 PM 9/8/00 , Jim Terry wrote: > >To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. > > Damn Jim - 5 people stop to help you and you are upset about it? I can see > getting mad at the first guy that witnessed the blowout, but you averaged 1 > every half hour. That sounds like a record in DC! > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > "I think animal testing is a terrible thing......... > They get all nervous and give the wrong answers" From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 15:42:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88JgCH28420 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25615 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A10B.pix.aol.com [152.163.161.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23455 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08373 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id PAA25028 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:42:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:42:02 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: request for comments. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please reply in private mail... Since there is more bike knowledge on this list than I could possibly comprehend, I figured I'd ask you all. I found a 96 Vulcan classic (1500), pipes, 2nd seat backrest and tank-based fasttoll holder. 7000 miles or so, couldn't find a scratch on it. $6900. Decent deal? TIA. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no accident "user" is a 4 letter word --KV From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 16:09:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us (ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us [166.94.50.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88K9PH28981 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:08:48 -0400 Message-ID: <014997ED3B25D411BEF400D0B774D77C4280C3@ffxex07.co.fairfax.va.us> From: Darrell.Jackson@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cycle Safety Classes Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:08:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anybody know the phone number or web site for the NoVa Motorcycle Safety classes held at the community colleges? My wife is interested. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 16:18:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88KISH29164 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-41.patriot.net [209.249.180.41]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e88KICH12636; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:18:13 -0400 Message-ID: <39B94956.B716A658@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:17:26 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chillllly Morning and oil selection References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can't help you out there - check your owners mznual. My H-D manual has lower wieght suggestions for cold weather, always below 40 I think. And I have no clue what the conversion is for funny plastic oil. Bill Matthew Patton wrote: > I run an air-cooled bike with 20/50. With it getting colder and all that and an oil change in the offing, should I downgrade to a thinner oil? right now I use mobile 1 synthetic. > > Any suggestions? > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 16:24:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88KODH29315 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G0L00K014N3R8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:23:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G0L00GSC4N2LQ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:23:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G0L002014N2JE@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:23:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G0L002014N2JC@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:23:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com ([166.37.214.9]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G0L0017E4MNTN@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:23:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.153.179]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <20000908202311.SKKT783@XXXXXX>; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:23:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:22:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: helpful riders To: Jim Terry Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39B94A80.D5CBD2DA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.2.0.58.20000908130219.00d54960@mail.wheatintl.com> <39B93C83.2753188C@XXXXXX> Jim Terry wrote: > > Only one of the five motorcycles stopped and asked if I needed help the rest > including the guy who watched the incident just kept on going. > > Jim Well, for what it's worth, I would have stopped for you. I was riding home from work one day, 1st in line at a light to turn left onto the PW parkway, when this guy on a sportbike comes zipping through the intersection. He hit the bump in the middle of the intersection (why do all high speed intersections seem to have bumps in them?) and part of his lower bodywork partially fell off and started dragging. = 8-o The light was still red, everyone around me had stopped, so I flipped my left blinker to a right blinker, turned across the two lanes to my right, and followed him up to where he had pulled off on the shoulder up ahead. I had duct tape, zip ties, bungee cords, tools, probably anything he needed. It turns out his bike was a real junker, he just sort of snapped the lower back in place and was all set to roll again. Hmm. I'd never ride a bike in that kind of desperate shape. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 17:50:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e88LnTH01172 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000908214913.24318.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.179] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:49:13 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:49:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Duc Valves To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > From: "Judy La Follette" > My first valve job was around $600. The second valve job > was close to a > $1,000, including a 12,000 mile service. I got the > second valve job done at > Battley Cycles, > ------------------------------------------- > $600!! AAAACCCK!! $1000.....Thud! (passes out on > floor)... for a VALVE > JOB! Sounds more like a rim job to me. > > Are you getting this Gimer? If I hear you paid > $600-$1000 for a valve job, > I'll track you down and smash your knees backward! follow up to this thread: Cycle Accessory Discounters has a Ducati certified technician and my service will cost $247.95....still costly, but not as painful as Battley's -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 17:56:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88LuPH01298 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-133-229.s229.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.229] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13XW7w-0005Gb-00; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:56:05 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Tom Gimer" , Subject: RE: Duc Valves Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c019de$492576c0$2083a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000908214913.24318.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nor as painful as power-ride. I think they end up around $300. So are you riding that thing tommorrow you Mofo? How many miles on it now? T > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > From: "Judy La Follette" > > My first valve job was around $600. The second valve job > > was close to a > > $1,000, including a 12,000 mile service. I got the > > second valve job done at > > Battley Cycles, > > ------------------------------------------- > > $600!! AAAACCCK!! $1000.....Thud! (passes out on > > floor)... for a VALVE > > JOB! Sounds more like a rim job to me. > > > > Are you getting this Gimer? If I hear you paid > > $600-$1000 for a valve job, > > I'll track you down and smash your knees backward! > > follow up to this thread: > Cycle Accessory Discounters has a Ducati certified > technician and my service will cost $247.95....still > costly, but not as painful as Battley's > > > -- > tg > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 18:04:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88M44H01507 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DBurger152@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.9c.7198a68 (659) for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: DBurger152@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.7198a68.26eabc47@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:03:51 EDT Subject: MC Parking in DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 I know this comes up far to often and I thought it was posted somewhere but I can't seem to find it. Where are the MC parking spots in DC. Please reply to me off list. Thanks - Don B From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 18:35:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88MZ9H02175 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.50.a9d6593 (4315) for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:34:50 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <50.a9d6593.26eac38a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:34:50 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > > Especialy if she's on a sportbike. In tight leather... > > GEE, and you guys wonder why us gals brave getting on bikes! ;-) > And you gals wonder why us guys want you to lead the ride.... ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 18:38:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e88McRH02208 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.c9.8519792 (4315) for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:36:25 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:36:24 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > Of course... I did get to thrill the spectators by riding on one wheel (the > front) for about 20 yards, pivoting the bike in mid-air and entering T5 > sideways (without crashing). THAT was fun.... NOT. :) Hell, Roach - if it was easy, anyone could do it... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 21:10:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e891A3H04763 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27223 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA00353 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000909010953.9719.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.7.100] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:09:53 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:09:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Ouch! My Boot! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > Must be the new tires. I forgot how good new rubber > feels. > > I'm just going to leave that statement hanging out > there. > Take the pressure off Jeanette. ;-) got to watch out for new rubbers..... break them in with care... or you might get out of control and prematurely end your ride... :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 22:38:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e892csH06359 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-41.patriot.net [209.249.180.41]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e892cgH02202; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:38:42 -0400 Message-ID: <39B9A285.E3DFAFEA@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 22:37:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Terry CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helpful riders References: <39B91784.38526932@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Terry wrote: > I was riding home on the backroads of Southern Maryland last night and > experience a blowout in the rear tire. I managed to stop safely after > some thrilling acrobatics that were witnessed by an on-coming rider. He > slowed to watch the show but did'nt stop to offer aid or check on my > condition. I called AMA MOTOW and began what seemed like an > interminable wait. While I waiting to different women in much derided > mini-vans stop and asked if they could help as did a rider who was > driving a truck atthe time but identified himself as a rider and > comiserated about my plight. Finally the fourth rider to come by > stopped to ask if he could help. A fifth rider passed before the tow > truck showed up after a two and one half hour rate. > > To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. > > Jim Had a few experiances like that meself. When one rides a Harley, one must be prepared for roadside waits. Pack a lunch, carry cell phone. #1 was a spiked rear tire - on busy I-81. Not one person stopped. #77 gets the state boys and the law contacted a local tow company to fix me up. Local tow dudes jammed about a dozen plugs in the massive hole, airred the tire up, and led me to a cool fixit shop who had a new tire on the bike in less than 45 minutes. $25 for the roadside service. #2 was on busy Route 7 betwixt Sterling and Tysons. Lotta bikes headed the other way, coming back from Rolling Thunder. Zilions of Harleys, but only three riders did the flip and stopped - 2 jap bikes and 1 Beemer. So much for Hawg riders sticking together. Henry's Wrecker hooked the bike - $60 I think - he cut me a deal. Welcome to the big city - we're getting like New Yawk where folks turn their heads and don't want to *see* a women getting raped and killed in a parking lot. Out os the Caroline coast it's way different. Stop on a rural road to sneak off in the woods to *water* a tree and six vee-hi-cals (Carolina-speak for car/truck) are waiting for your return. "Y`all okay?" Yeah, feeling much better now, thanks. Yes, when my retirement plans kick in I'm outta here... Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 8 22:46:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e892kCH06532 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-41.patriot.net [209.249.180.41]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e892k6H02738; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: <39B9A440.12C710E1@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 22:45:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: jterry@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helpful riders References: <20000908181312.28337.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh,yeah, that would be a masterful plan for a perv - park on the roadside and wait.... Logic, girl, logic. The reverse would be kind of dicey, cutie standing next to her dead bike. Prowling perv hits the brakes - yowzaa! Fresh meat! Knowing this, I will always stop if I see fems broken down on the road. Not for fresh meat, of course, but to offer assistance, or at the minimum the comfort of a freindly face until the tow truck arrives. Go ahead, call me a chauvinist pig - I'm old and that's the way it was when I was young. Never leave a lady twisting in the wind. Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. > > Not to say anything bad about the situation you were in, but from a woman's point of view...I don't think I would have stopped unless it were daylight and was packing heat (just kidding). But seriously...watching damn TV shows and the news now-a-days gets people to thinking that stopping for someone you don't know just isn't safe, especially for women. Was glad to hear two females stopped for you...they are braver than I would have been. I probably, at the least, would have just asked if there was anyone I could call for you... > > LAG > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 08:53:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e89Cr9H18687 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQjfxb03292; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:53:06 GMT Message-ID: <39BA32B1.86C0993@otaku.org> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 08:53:05 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ride routes for digesters...sorry! References: <003001c0192e$34cfd680$aa7c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not just digesters. It isn't safe to assume that everyone has MS word or that everyone can read MS word attachments. In particular, a lot of people in the tech industry are using unix machines for which MS word doesn't exist. When possible, ASCII text is best because you can guarantee that anyone who knows the language can read it. Laura Granato wrote: > > Sorry digesters...didn't know that attachments don't do so well for you > all...so here are the ride routes...spirited first, then relaxed toward the > bottom. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 10:45:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e89EjFH20437 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 10:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 10:44:55 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 10:53:38 -0400 Subject: Crow Bar II . . . ? From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39BA32B1.86C0993@otaku.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This from the Mid-Atlantic Roadracing Club (MARRC) web site: MARRC member Steve Zarpas, the former owner of the Crow Bar, has just opened the Revolution Cafe in Herndon, VA. On September 9th, he'll have a bike night with racing videos, video games, and give-aways. Show your MARRC membership card or racing license and get a drink on the house! Contact Steve at szarpas@XXXXXX for more information and directions. -Dave http://www.revolutioncoffeelounge.com http://marrc.nova.org From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 13:23:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e89HNnH22851 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.6.b40fccc (4248) for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:23:34 -0400 (EDT) From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6.b40fccc.26ebcc16@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:23:34 EDT Subject: Re: helpful riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 I had my F4 stall out on me once on Route 119 going towards Uniontown, PA one day and had a couple on a Harley stop and wait for my ex to come back around on the freeway. There wasn't anything they could have done because once the bike unflooded itself (I had apparently given it too much gas between shifts, which cause it to stall.....I'm still perplexed about that one) I started it right up. But, being somewhere where I wasn't familiar with, I didn't want to go any further up the road for fear of getting lost. Needless to say they sat there with me for 1/2 hour until the boyfriend (who had ridden far ahead of me to see that I had signaled him that I was having problems) came back around on the freeway. It was much appreciated help 'cause it's might dangerous for a female to be sitting on the side of the freeway with a motorcycle and no means of defense. Two other people stopped to offer assistance. Everybody else just kept going by. Oh well. Some people aren't as afraid I guess. From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 13:48:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e89HmlH23210 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQjfxv00700 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:48:45 GMT Message-ID: <39BA77FC.4F13D852@otaku.org> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:48:44 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sideways stoppie = bad! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who were wondering, I'm the one who went down on what was supposed to be the relaxed ride on Saturday. Ok, well it was a relaxed ride and the ride wasn't the problem. Here's what happened: As we were crossing 50 (can't remember what road we were at) there was a vehicle coming down the road from the right. I was just going to gun it and go across the road (didn't look like he was that close to me) but the guy in front/left of me decided to hold off. Now, this was probably perfectly reasonable for him, bing on a heavy cruiser, but I had already effectively committed to going across (on my CBR600F3). Rather than just continuing with my course of action I foolishly paniced, after I started accelerating, because someone else was stopping and I figured they must know something that I didn't. Normally this would be no problem, but the road surface was very oddly angled, down and toward the right (or was it left?) like 15 or 30 degrees. Because the rear of the bike was already higher than normal it didn't take much to stoppie/endo the thing. To make things worse i was actually turning slightly to the left, thus leaning to the left, so the rear flew up and swung around to the left about 90 degrees before coming down. Of course, when it did come down the thing fell over. I basically chalk this up to bad luck (on a flat road I would have probably not gone down) inexperience with group rides, and inexperience period. I think this is a case of me not riding my own ride, even though my "ride" was a bit more squidlike than the guy in front of me. So I guess I should warn people: - Ride your own ride even in situations like this. - Watch out for oddly angled road surfaces!! From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 14:13:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e89IDuH23586 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02902 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:13:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000909141201.00c6dd10@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:13:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Ride Today in brief Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed We split into 20 fast and 20 relaxed. 20 fast further split to 10 and 10. Several gravel roads had us ditch the spirited ride sheet. All was fine til a lowside on 211. I'll let the lister describe, as I was behind and didn't see. After that we split. Few were going to meet the relaxed, the rest went home. Interesting! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 16:46:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e89KkUH26150 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-212-167.s421.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.212.167] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13XrW8-0002RE-00; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 16:46:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39BAA2AA.DD673F5F@starpower.net> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 16:50:50 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Today's "relaxed" ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks to Laura for putting together today's ride, and for the flawless execution in leading us. A good slection of routes and, except for the minor mishap (see separate post), it came off without a hitch. Also, thanks to Rob for riding sweep. Let's do another one of these soon. -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 19:02:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e89N2iH28301 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 17:58:36 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 17:57:43 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e89N3MH28302 Wow, What a day, where do I start? First I would like to thank Laura and crew for putting this ride together. What a turnout, you should charge admission for the next one. This was by far the largest group I have ever ridden with. I lead the 2nd group on the spirited ride for a while through 3 miles of GRAVEL roads (Thanks you know who you are CHUCK. ) Its OK though, my bike needed a through cleaning anyway, and a new airfilter NOT!. As the incident on 211 I was right behind the rider when he went down. There was so much going on in that few seconds. We just passed a bus, Brain Roach had just passed me and was in the process of passing John. I just looked up to see the handle bars twitch and John go sliding into the grass. Everyone that was close stopped, and we got the rider and bike back to rideable condition. The rider was ok with maybe just a bruised foot. He was wearing full leathers. The Bike had mainly cosmetic damage, a broken shift lever and footpeg. the Tach and speedo assembly and front fairing was trashed. After John headed home with another rider? (Bandit 1200) following him home, we went up 211 and back then rode back to the Plains for lunch. Nice group of people A side note about 211: I recently thought ( this morning ) that I was a reasonably skilled rider, until a Kawasaki Concours passed me on the outside going up 211 and was gone out of sight..sigh. Maybe I should buy a Gold Wing or a cruiser. Cheers, George Cole 2000 Honda VFR George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 19:21:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e89NLbH28696 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-30.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.94]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21919; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BAF12C.49D059B6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:25:48 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With those bar risers on your VFR, isn't that what you have??? %^) Chuck (we won't mention any names about the GRAVEL ROAD!) George Cole wrote : > > A side note about 211: I recently thought ( this morning ) that I was a reasonably skilled rider, until a Kawasaki Concours passed me on the outside going up 211 and was gone out of sight..sigh. Maybe I should buy a Gold Wing or a cruiser. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 19:26:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gillian.brauhausdc.org ([209.150.115.250]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e89NQQH28710 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fryer.obscure.org (fryer.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.3]) by gillian.brauhausdc.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e89MQD626764 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:26:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000909192833.00df55d0@pop.obscure.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:29:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000909141201.00c6dd10@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:13 PM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote: >We split into 20 fast and 20 relaxed. 20 fast further split to 10 and >10. Several gravel roads had us ditch the spirited ride sheet. All was >fine til a lowside on 211. I'll let the lister describe, as I was behind >and didn't see. After that we split. Few were going to meet the relaxed, >the rest went home. So, is this 2 wrecks or is was this robert@otaku? -- It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. Albert Einstein From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 21:39:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8A1doH01041 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000910013943.2881.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Sep 2000 18:39:43 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:39:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Duc Valves To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > Nor as painful as power-ride. I think they end up around > $300. So are you riding that thing tommorrow you Mofo? got this a little late....of course! i'm sore as shit right now from today's 400+ mile loop. i imagine you're sittin' back enjoying a cocktail analgesic right now too! > How many miles on it now? after today, 6600.... looking forward to this weekend! cherohola???? > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > $600!! AAAACCCK!! $1000.....Thud! (passes out on > > > floor)... for a VALVE > > > JOB! Sounds more like a rim job to me. > > > > > > Are you getting this Gimer? If I hear you paid > > > $600-$1000 for a valve job, > > > I'll track you down and smash your knees backward! > > > > follow up to this thread: > > Cycle Accessory Discounters has a Ducati certified > > technician and my service will cost $247.95....still > > costly, but not as painful as Battley's __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 22:01:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8A21JH01413 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQjfzc16849; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:01:15 GMT Message-ID: <39BAEB6B.63DCC603@otaku.org> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:01:15 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief References: <4.3.1.2.20000909192833.00df55d0@pop.obscure.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > > So, is this 2 wrecks or is was this robert@otaku? Sounds like another incident. I was on the "relaxed" ride. BTW, much thanks to everyone who helped me pick my bike back up, tape the tail fairing back together, etc. Also thanks to Sally and a guy who's name I can't remember (sorry!) for following me part of the way home. Riding without a left footpeg really sucked but I managed OK. I found that I could rest my heel on the gearshift axel (though I was very careful not to put too much pressure on it.) From dc-cycles-request Sat Sep 9 23:03:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8A33mH02378 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.64.6615645 (4425) for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.6615645.26ec5408@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:03:36 EDT Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > Riding without a left footpeg really sucked but I managed OK. I found > that I could rest my heel on the gearshift axel (though I was very > careful not to put too much pressure on it.) Glad to hear that you're OK. The strangest thing that I've had happen as a result of a crash was breaking off the right handlebar on an old HD Sportster that I had (they had right and left handlebars). Rode that puppy for about 20 miles with the throttle in my lap - very strange feeling to have a motorcycle with what effectively is a tiller :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 11:01:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AF1NH13888 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6728 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 08:01:07 -0700 Received: from PPPa51-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.208) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 08:01:07 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Sep 2000 15:01:07 GMT Message-ID: <002f01c01b37$e85f8820$d07c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , Subject: Relaxed ride full report Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:00:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 OK, after reading the posts, I'm sorry I didn't get to post this yesterday. All in all, the ride went great. We had a HUGE turnout. About 45 or so bikes showed up and a TON of faces I'd never seen before. It was incredible (and I have pictures to prove it!). It was nice to meet so many new people out for the ride, plus it was a beautiful day. Sean Jordan and I gathered everyone together and went over all of the signals and etiquette of riding in a group. Then the fast group went to one side of sheetz while the relaxed riders suited up and lined up to leave. After noticing that the fast guys were still hanging out talking, I decided to go ahead and get my group going. We had a nice pace for our ride, a little faster than last time, but still well within the "relaxed" pace. Great roads. We had our "incident" when we took 601. We got to the end and the group was crossing over rt. 7 business to regroup at the general store. Robert came across 7 on his F3, and I believe had to make a hard stop on an offcamber, downhill slope and his bike went over. We quickly got him up, checked to make sure he was ok, and regrouped across at the store. We taped up what we could on his bike and decided he should probably head home since he lost the peg on his clutch side. Thanks to sally and the other guy (god, met too many people and can't remember his name. :-( ) for making sure Robert got home safely. The rest of our route went without a hitch and we all made it to lunch just fine. About twenty minutes later the fast guys (and gal, Judy) made it to lunch, where I heard of John's incident on his SV. In the ride's defense, I came to find out John has only been riding for two months, so it wasn't the best choice on his part to ride with that group of more experienced riders. Not sure of the details, but Roach was right behind him, so he could probably offer up a better scenario of what happened. John was fine, but as any rider would be, I heard he was shaken up. Anyways, two incidents to report, but I don't think it was out of recklessness. Just one rider *choosing* to ride out of his limits, and an unfortunate mishap on a hill, which we all know could happen to anyone! My GS would tell you that if it could talk. As for the gravel roads...I know I sent out a post about someone thinking one or two of the roads *might* be gravel....the e-mail was titled "spirited group head's up." Not sure if those were the roads or not since I wasn't there....but hey, %&^$ happens. At least it was the experienced riders who had that challenge and not my group. I would have freaked out! :-) The relaxed ride went without any hitches (hey chuck, I even made that left turn this time!) and we had no U-turns! A big plus for a group that size. Thanks to all of the new faces to came out to ride, and their friends! Thanks to everyone who came! Big thanks to Sean Jordan for leading the spirited riders and helping me out getting everyone set up to leave...and another thanks to Rob Keiser, my faithful sweep! At the end of lunch we came out to find Tom Zell's bike was dead (he was thinking battery) so I rode pillion with him on my bike back to Centreville so Jeannette could meet him to go pick up his bike with his truck. Rob followed us most of the way to make sure all was cool...the GS is definitely not made for a guy Tom's size. He looked so funny on it! :-) Just kidding, Tom. So, I hope that paints a better picture of the ride. We had a great time and great weather. Many have even asked for another one before the season ends. I think we should do another one and all end up at Bike night, what do you think, Chuck? Hope everyone had as much fun as I did. Thanks for a great group of riders and a fabulous display of beautiful bikes. Hopefully when we get our new Web page up we can post some pictures. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 11:06:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AF6rH13976 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3612 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 08:06:38 -0700 Received: from PPPa51-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.208) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 08:06:38 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Sep 2000 15:06:38 GMT Message-ID: <005301c01b38$ad870740$d07c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "David Cross" , References: Subject: Re: Crow Bar II . . . ? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:06:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > MARRC member Steve Zarpas, the former owner of the Crow Bar, has just opened > the Revolution Cafe in Herndon, VA. For those of you who had ever been to the crow bar, awesome bar I might add, revolution is nothing like the crowbar. It is an awesome place, though. Very relaxed. couches, big lounge-type chairs....coffee, tea, beer, you name it. It's more of a place to just go and chill. It's in Herndon and is a lot of fun. I've never been on the weekend, so don't know what the atmosphere is like then... LAG From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 11:11:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AFBUH13989 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 193 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 08:11:22 -0700 Received: from PPPa51-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.208) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 08:11:22 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Sep 2000 15:11:22 GMT Message-ID: <006801c01b39$5701de80$d07c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: A HUGE thank you Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:11:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I wanted to put this in a separate e-mail. Thanks so much to Chuck for taking the time to help me organize this whole ride! Even when he knew he wouldn't be able to go, he was still taking a ton of time to plan the routes, and even took a day out of his busy schedule (Rob, too) to take me on the relaxed ride route so I would be comfortable leading the group without getting lost. It worked. I remembered all of the roads and no u-turns! woo hoo! Thanks again, Chuck! You da man! LAG From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 11:44:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AFiGH14510 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-42.s42.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.42] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Y9HB-0002Gw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:44:13 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Just4women Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c01b3c$a6d46920$2ab8accf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Women Riders Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:13:19 -0400 Thanks, Randy. It's just too damn early... http://www.just2ride.com/just4women.html LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ --------------------------------------------------------- Let me start by saying that I've ridden with Linda for many many miles including a trip to the Honda Hoot in Asheville, NC, a DC-CYCLES goes to Deals Gap, TN, and an annual STAR rally held in Taos New mexico. Linda is an excellent rider, IMO, and epitomizes everything a true enthusiast is about. She owns a number of motorcycles, her latest being the R1100RT. I'd really like to get her out and do some Long Distance Rallys because, even though she disagrees, I think she would place very well among the "seasoned". I read the article. I think the author is spot on about most of the female attitudes she described. At least, I share the perception. I was a little disappointed, but not surprised, to encounter the mild male bashing. She described how men will stand around and talk about there exploits in terms of one-upmanship, but she failed to mention this is always so, in almost all situations. It's how we sometimes socialize, a simple difference between the sexes (for the most part). Not sure why motorcycling should be any different, other than the possibility that motorcycling is still new to the author and she is just encountering what is always just so. "Even though there's a feeling that men love to see a "chick on a bike" and they'll 'ooh and aah' over it, the majority of the comments, generally speaking, still seem to centre on the fact that men don't think women are capable of riding or understanding how the bike works." This paragraph says it all. It is a gross assertion, but forgivable since she already admitted to having only a few years experience. I think over time, she may come to the realization that her perceptions of "men" vs. "women" will meld into "motorcyclists". Anyway, you asked for it and it's JMHO. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 11:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AFsLH14658 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-42.s42.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.42] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Y9Qw-00040E-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:54:19 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: helpful riders Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c01b3e$106439a0$2ab8accf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:44:52 -0400 From: Jim Terry To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. Jim --------------------------------------------------- Just so you know, it wasn't me. I always stop for a rider on the side of the road, more times than not they are simply taking a break. Sometimes I won't come to a complete stop, but instead slow down, honk, point and thumbs up. I usually get a thumbs up back and so I just keep going. I remember helping one guy, a new rider, who couldn't figure out why the bike died and wouldn't start. Turned the pet-cock to reserve and voila! He was very grateful and just a tad embarassed, but even more so when he tried to ride off with his kryptonite lock stuck in the front wheel...d'oh! Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 11:59:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AFxbH14747 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000910155930.2134.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:59:30 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: > About twenty minutes later the fast guys (and gal, Judy) > made it to lunch, > where I heard of John's incident on his SV. In the > ride's defense, I came > to find out John has only been riding for two months, so > it wasn't the best > choice on his part to ride with that group of more > experienced riders. Not > sure of the details, but Roach was right behind him, so > he could probably > offer up a better scenario of what happened. hmmm....one post seems to indicate that Roach was passing John (the downed rider). how about a report of what happened out there from someone with first-hand knowledge? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 12:09:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AG9UH14911 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 13914 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 09:09:22 -0700 Received: from PPPa1-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.158) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 09:09:22 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Sep 2000 16:09:22 GMT Message-ID: <000c01c01b41$70e73a40$9e7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <20000910155930.2134.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:09:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > hmmm....one post seems to indicate that Roach was passing > John (the downed rider). how about a report of what > happened out there from someone with first-hand knowledge Actually, as I know it, Roach HAD to pass John to avoid hitting him...must you always be such an ass? Unless I am just reading your statement wrong because I am used to the posts you usually make....I'm sure Roach will let us know how thoughts, as I mentioned in my e-mail for him to do...Until then... And BTW...don't think anyone should be judging something that happened on a ride when they weren't even there...which it sounds like you're doing...Just my two cents... Go ahead...add me to your shit list...I'm happy to be there with Mike. No skin off of my back... > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 12:15:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AGF3H15057 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-56.s56.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.56] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Y9kz-0007BC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <39BBB396.8943D4E8@bigfoot.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:15:18 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report References: <002f01c01b37$e85f8820$d07c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to send out a quick thank you to those of you who helped organize yesterdays ride. Laura, Chuck, Rob, and anyone else involved I had a great time. Printed my ride sheet in "grandpa type" (thanks Laura) and didn't have any "belt-way" type excursions (sorry again Rob). > Thanks to sally and the other guy (god, met too many people and can't > remember his name. :-( ) for making sure Robert got home safely. The unknown rider who followed Robert, was Mike Diotte ('00 Sabre). Anyway, thanks again all involved, I look forward to the next time. -jay '00 ACE CD From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 12:25:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AGPmH15141 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000910162541.7764.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:25:41 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: > > > > hmmm....one post seems to indicate that Roach was > > passing > > John (the downed rider). how about a report of what > > happened out there from someone with first-hand > >knowledge > > Actually, as I know it, Roach HAD to pass John to avoid > hitting him...must > you always be such an ass? jesus you're fucking high-strung....i've heard the story from 3 people who didn't see it. now i want to hear it from someone who knows what happened. > Unless I am just reading your statement wrong > because I am used to the posts you usually make....I'm > sure Roach will let > us know how thoughts, as I mentioned in my e-mail for him > to do...Until then... yeah....until til then the rest of us can request that he tell us what happened. just like i did. > And BTW...don't think anyone should be judging something > that happened on a > ride when they weren't even there...which it sounds like > you're doing...Just my two cents... i didn't judge and i don't judge. you've got me confused with your friend mccoy. > Go ahead...add me to your shit list...I'm happy to be > there with Mike. No skin off of my back... i don't have a shit list....and if i did, neither of you would be on it. placing you there would indicate that i actually care about you. i really can't get over your reaction to my post. relax and re-read it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 12:33:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AGXMH15289 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 25764 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 09:32:58 -0700 Received: from PPPa1-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.158) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 09:32:58 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Sep 2000 16:32:58 GMT Message-ID: <004201c01b44$bd30ec40$9e7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <20000910162541.7764.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:32:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > jesus you're fucking high-strung.... well, that's a new one. I've never been called that before. I'll add that to my list...too funny! you really don't know me at all...hmmm, have I ever even met you? from what I hear, you're bold on the computer...but never seem to show up at any events...i've just heard that from a few people, maybe you can tell me the truth. i've heard the story > from 3 people who didn't see it. now i want to hear it > from someone who knows what happened. that's why I said maybe I'm reading your post wrong! maybe you should re-read my e-mail. > i don't have a shit list....and if i did, neither of you > would be on it. placing you there would indicate that i > actually care about you. i really can't get over your > reaction to my post. relax and re-read it. if you didn't make so many shitty posts all of the time, maybe I wouldn't have read your response in the *tone* that I read it in...ever think about that? If you were normally a pleasant person, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt.... > >LAG > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 12:59:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AGxKH15681 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id r.c5.9154d06 (16781); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:59:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:59:09 EDT Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/10/00 12:01:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > hmmm....one post seems to indicate that Roach was passing > John (the downed rider). how about a report of what > happened out there from someone with first-hand knowledge? Leaving the Mobil to take the ride up 211... I was my usual slacker self and was too busy smoking cigarettes and BSing to leave out front of the group... but 211 is a two lane road going up so I figured I just pass to the point that I was going the speed I wanted. Riding at my usual 60 - 70% for street rides and passing people in the lane they weren't in, I got up to the SV entering a left hand, on-camber, big sweeper... I was probably about 10 - 15 feet behind him (but in the same lane). As we turned in, there's a pretty odd depression/dip in the road that continues into the turn. As I felt my suspension compressing to suck up said depression, John had either let off the throttle, hit the front brakes, or both. He tucked the front. I saw the rear suspension of his bike unweight, heard a little chirp from the front tire, saw the front wheel fold, and then he was down and sliding. Two things kept John from getting run over from behind and two bikes crashing: Luckily I'm used to this sort of thing (on the track) and just turned the bike a little harder to the right and steered under him... and, can I harp once again on how important it is to only be riding at 60-70% of your ability? If I was someone else (or even myself), and "pushing my limits" to 100%, I prob would have not been able to simply turn sharper and go by him. There would have been two bikes in the ditch, and John might have had tire marks on his leathers (more on those leathers in a sec). And since I've been asked... IMHO, The crash was caused by inexperience, both in road knowledge and riding skill... I didn't know that weird depression was there (and I've ridden 211 many times)... and I doubt John did either. His reaction to said depression was a VERY common error - no matter if he hit the brakes or just let off the gas (as I can't say for sure which it was). The propper thing to do is simply relax, apply more throttle, and hold your line. Unfortunatly, once he made his mistake, he didn't know or didn't have the skill to recover from it. This tells me he may have been riding a little over his head... a front end slide is not unrecoverable. One thing that is worth mentioning is that John had to good sense to be wearing propper gear for what he was doing. His full set of leathers let him get up and walk away with no major injury - had he been wearing jeans, we would have been picking gravel out of his legs and ass for sure. And John - if you're out there reading this, I'm not lecturing you. It's not my job to tell someone how they have to ride their motorcycle, and it is still a free country. However I do, and will continue to, attempt to suggest a safer way to go about riding a sportbike on the street... that's the portion above. ::shrug:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 13:08:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AH8IH15848 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.ab.5e64c1 (16781); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:07:39 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:07:38 EDT Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: lgranato@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 You know... ya gotta love a protective Woman :) You two play nice now! I don't think Tom was trying to say I caused the guy to wreck... he knows I'm not out to prove anything to a street rider, no matter how fast they think they are - that ain't my gig. Two championships this year puts a big exclamation point on my riding ability. And honestly, I don't think John was really out to prove anything either... I think he was just in a little over his head and crashed. Yes, I sometimes preach to people not to do that, but unfortuantly it happens sometimes. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 13:10:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AHANH15871 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000910171015.6451.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:10:15 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: --- Laura Granato wrote: > you really don't know me at all...hmmm, have I ever > even met you? from what I hear, you're bold on the > computer...but never > seem to show up at any events...i've just heard that from > a few people, maybe you can tell me the truth. how long you been on this list laura? three months? a couple "relaxed rides" and you think you've done it all. at least you've been asking about me....finally my plan is working! joke. honestly though, you've been misled. if i wanted to see more accidents on 211, i'd show up for more dc-cycles rides. can you blame me for choosing to ride with a group of people that i feel totally comfortable with? your method is a proven recipe for disaster. groups of 20+ riders with no experience riding with one another is scary. > > i've heard the story > > from 3 people who didn't see it. now i want to hear it > > from someone who knows what happened. > > that's why I said maybe I'm reading your post wrong! > maybe you should re-read my e-mail. the one that started out with "why do you always have to be such an ass?" i don't need to re-read it. > > i don't have a shit list....and if i did, neither of you > > would be on it. placing you there would indicate that > > i actually care about you. i really can't get over your > > reaction to my post. relax and re-read it. > > if you didn't make so many shitty posts all of the time, > maybe I wouldn't > have read your response in the *tone* that I read it > in...ever think about > that? If you were normally a pleasant person, I would > have given you the benefit of the doubt.... maybe you've got something here..... and i have apologized for the tone of SOME of my earlier messages. but i'm not going to do it for the one you're angry about because there is no reason to do so. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 13:21:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AHLNH16094 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000910172117.7360.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:21:17 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks, brian....this explanation was what i (and i'm sure others) wanted. it's better to hear the story as it actually unfolded. --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/10/00 12:01:56 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > hmmm....one post seems to indicate that Roach was > passing > > John (the downed rider). how about a report of what > > happened out there from someone with first-hand > knowledge? > > Leaving the Mobil to take the ride up 211... I was my > usual slacker self and > was too busy smoking cigarettes and BSing to leave out > front of the group... > but 211 is a two lane road going up so I figured I just > pass to the point > that I was going the speed I wanted. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 13:29:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AHTRH16186 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id r.30.9fd7b93 (16781); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <30.9fd7b93.26ed1ee4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:29:08 EDT Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/10/00 12:59:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach writes: > and just turned the bike a little harder to the right and steered under him Sorry if this confused anyone... my brain thinks in counter-steer sometimes. I took a tighter line under him in the LEFT hand turn. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 14:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AI3eH16724 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20999 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 11:03:23 -0700 Received: from PPPa76-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.233) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 11:03:23 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Sep 2000 18:03:23 GMT Message-ID: <002c01c01b51$5ea2c380$e97c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <20000910171015.6451.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:03:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > how long you been on this list laura? three months? Actually, no. I've been on the list for almost a year now...was a lurker for a while and then started talking. I realized that there were people on this list who were like me, hesitant to ride with the faster riders....didn't want to get out of my ability being a new rider...anyways...on to next point... a > couple "relaxed rides" and you think you've done it all. Oh, italian blood is boiling now. I think if you ask the list...a lot of people are happy that I started the relaxed rides because now more people are out and riding with us. I don't think I"ve done it all. For god sakes, I've only been riding since February and I have a ton to learn. That's why I like group rides. Even if you just go and talk to the riders you learn a lot...that's what I am out to do. Learn how to ride safely and to learn my technique. You don't get that by sitting at home or riding alone. > > if i wanted to see more accidents on 211, i'd show up for > more dc-cycles rides. can you blame me for choosing to > ride with a group of people that i feel totally comfortable > with? I don't blame you at all...everyone should do what they are comfortable with...thus, the group of 20 people I had on my relaxed ride. My point is just that you seem to have a lot of opinions, many strong ones, and one of the reasons I like bike nights and rides is because you actually get to know the people on the list...their personalities, other interests, etc...and it makes the things they say on the list more credible. Does that make sense? > > your method is a proven recipe for disaster. groups of 20+ > riders with no experience riding with one another is scary. Oh, I totally disagree...it's not that we have no riding experience....you know what....I'm done...you are *so* not worth ruining my Sunday over. My inexperienced ass is going to go get on my bike now and ride....Something definitely more pleasurable than this discussion! > Oh, and BTW, I wasn't looking for any apology...I only care about getting apologies from people I care about. LAG > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 14:05:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AI5OH16803 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.f.91aa219 (16781) for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:05:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:05:09 EDT Subject: Street Tire Endorsement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 One thing I'd like to mention for people looking at new shoes for their sportbikes - I put a new set of Michelin Pilots (Street compount - not race tires) on my Duc Friday night, and rode them for the first time on the group ride. I'm really happy with them - plenty of grip, all the way to the edges, with no slipping or sliding what so ever. They heated up very nicely and even balled up a bit up on 211, running 30/30 pressures in them to account for "spirited" riding :) Can't say how long they'll last, but the Michelin Hi-Sport tires that came with the bike lasted 6k miles, which is pretty decent for how I use the bike (I pretty much only use the Duc for back-road twisties). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 14:05:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AI5gH16813 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-04.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.132]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28425; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BBF894.C13605DC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:09:40 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: A HUGE thank you References: <006801c01b39$5701de80$d07c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, You're welcome! Wish I could've been out with everyone. Despite the two incidents, sounds like everything went okee-dokee. Sorry about the gravel roads (on the spirited ride), but I know there was at least one (if not two) posts about some uncertainty WRT a couple of roads (688 coming north out of Warrenton and Yellow Schoolhouse Road). Looking forward to being back out riding in October (I am just booked for the rest of this month). Ciao, Chuck Laura Granato wrote: > > I wanted to put this in a separate e-mail. Thanks so much to Chuck for > taking the time to help me organize this whole ride! Even when he knew he > wouldn't be able to go, he was still taking a ton of time to plan the > routes, and even took a day out of his busy schedule (Rob, too) to take me > on the relaxed ride route so I would be comfortable leading the group > without getting lost. It worked. I remembered all of the roads and no > u-turns! woo hoo! Thanks again, Chuck! You da man! > > LAG -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 14:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AIBTH16827 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.a4.941feb5 (4359) for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:11:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:11:19 EDT Subject: Low speed crash To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Who sez ya gotta go fast to crash? Left the Revolution's Bike Night (Crow Bar II) last night. Hopped on the SRX-6, fired it up (via the kickstarter (only option)), and before I knew what was happening I was on the ground! Here's the scenario - I'm standing on the footpegs and the bike is on the sidestand, my foot nudges the beast into first gear, the scooter lurches forward (just enough to retract the sidestand) and then promptly stalls. I faw down and go boom. Sorta like the guy on the tricycle on Laugh In (for those who remember) I somehow manage to avoid the domino effect with the adjacent bikes, pick up the bike and get it back on the sidestand, whereupon one of Herndon's finest (who witnessed the whole episode) asks me to "Step over here for a minute please, Sir" No, Ossifer, I havent been drinking - two Cokes (with lemon) - nope - no alcohol at all. I seem to have reached the stage where I can do wierd stuff all by myself without the aid of chemical enhancers. Ride safe - you NEVER know when you're gonna get bit Michael (I only seem do this shit when I have an audience) J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 14:21:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AILYH17154 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.6c.2e3c19d (16781); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:21:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6c.2e3c19d.26ed2b24@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:21:24 EDT Subject: Re: Low speed crash To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 LOL... did almost the same thing about two years ago with the YZF600 downtown. I had just started using a disc lock (I'm sure you can already see where this is headed), and was leaving a nightclub... key, starter, kickstand, gear, clutch... ::clunk:: It gets better.... The bike starts to fall to the left... you know, the side that has the foot on the peg from when I just put it in gear... Remarkably, I managed to wedge said foot between the bike and the ground, saving any scratch damage... which of course leads to the problem of having a 450lbs bike on top of the foot most likely to be needed to pick it back up. I manage to wrestle the thing onto its wheels again (without marring the plastic I might add) when... "Excuse me sir, could you please come over here". ::DOH:: Luckily, I hadn't been drinking and when I coherently explained that I was an idiot while my face turned the color of a coke can, he just sorta chuckled and said to go about my way. I now have one of those little caps you put over the ignition when using a disc lock... does wonders. - Roach In a message dated 9/10/00 2:12:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: > somehow manage to avoid the domino effect with the adjacent bikes, pick up > the bike and get it back on the sidestand, whereupon one of Herndon's finest > > (who witnessed the whole episode) asks me to "Step over here for a minute > please, Sir" From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 14:21:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AILfH17164 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-214-213.s213.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.214.213] helo=starpower.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13YBjW-0006g5-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:21:39 -0400 Message-ID: <39BBD1E0.1E34C13@starpower.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:24:32 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report References: <20000910171015.6451.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> <002c01c01b51$5ea2c380$e97c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One thing I don't understand. How does one ever go on a group ride without riding with people you've never ridden with before? Even with your best riding buddy, there was that first time you'd ridden with him/her. It seems to me as a point of logic, you've got to do it at least once, otherwise you'd ride alone exclusively. I agree, however, that riding above 6/10ths in a group is not advisable unless you're intimately familiar with the riding style and habits of the other riders. Maybe that's why I find the "relaxed" rides attractive. Kudos to Laura for putting these rides together. Laura Granato wrote: > > > > > your method is a proven recipe for disaster. groups of 20+ > > riders with no experience riding with one another is scary. > > Oh, I totally disagree...it's not that we have no riding experience.... > > -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 14:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AIa8H17385 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-44.patriot.net [209.249.180.44]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8AIa3H16384; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:36:03 -0400 Message-ID: <39BBD463.607805AF@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:35:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low speed crash References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And then there are zero speed crashes... Lemme explain about Harley sidestands, they have a neat little tab that stabs betwixt two posts which insures the bike cannot just rolloff the stand. Unless, of course, one fails to align the stand tab. So I get off my steed, lock the ignition, flip the handlebars left, and *kerplop* I'm onna ground with this HUGE mo-fo bike on top of me! Even the aliens manning the 7-11 cash registers were laughing. Nothing like bench pressing 750# to keep one in shape. Nothing like that rsidual back pain (see prior comment) to make one pay attention to proper sidestand tab alignment. Bill MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > Who sez ya gotta go fast to crash? > > Left the Revolution's Bike Night (Crow Bar II) last night. > > Hopped on the SRX-6, fired it up (via the kickstarter (only option)), and > before I knew what was happening I was on the ground! > > Here's the scenario - I'm standing on the footpegs and the bike is on the > sidestand, my foot nudges the beast into first gear, the scooter lurches > forward (just enough to retract the sidestand) and then promptly stalls. I > faw down and go boom. > > Sorta like the guy on the tricycle on Laugh In (for those who remember) > > I somehow manage to avoid the domino effect with the adjacent bikes, pick up > the bike and get it back on the sidestand, whereupon one of Herndon's finest > (who witnessed the whole episode) asks me to "Step over here for a minute > please, Sir" > > No, Ossifer, I havent been drinking - two Cokes (with lemon) - nope - no > alcohol at all. > > I seem to have reached the stage where I can do wierd stuff all by myself > without the aid of chemical enhancers. > > Ride safe - you NEVER know when you're gonna get bit > > Michael (I only seem do this shit when I have an audience) J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 15:09:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AJ92H17886 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-213.s467.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.213] helo=twincam) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13YCTL-0000fl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: <009e01c01b5b$1f6a2dc0$d5ef7ad1@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: <20000910171015.6451.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> <002c01c01b51$5ea2c380$e97c3004@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:12:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 snipped a lot of stuff.... > > how long you been on this list laura? three months? > > Actually, no. I've been on the list for almost a year now...was a lurker > for a while and then started talking. I realized that there were people on > this list who were like me, hesitant to ride with the faster > riders....didn't want to get out of my ability being a new > rider...anyways...on to next point... > > a > > couple "relaxed rides" and you think you've done it all. > snipped a whole bunch more... For the record: I'm mostly a lurker on this list and I have never met any of the list members in person. I've ridden motorcycles for 29 years and (gasp) I ride a Harley. That said. Sheesh!!!!! what is it with the personal attacks here. Laura seems to have a lot of fun riding and enough confidence to lead a group If any of us wasn't having any fun, I suspect we'd stay home and pout in front of the TV. Keep up the good work Laura. Maybe I'll let you make fun of me on my Harley some day. Gotta go wipe the oil out from underneath my bike and belch and smoke off into the sunset. See you on the road, Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 17:04:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8AL4pH19747 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000910210444.14088.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:04:44 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: > >a couple "relaxed rides" and you think you've done it > >all. > > Oh, italian blood is boiling now. and you aren't high strung? come on. i'm simply pointing out that you don't know shit about what i've done over the past 4 years of being a list member. > > if i wanted to see more accidents on 211, i'd show up > > for > > more dc-cycles rides. can you blame me for choosing to > > ride with a group of people that i feel totally > > comfortable with? > > I don't blame you at all...everyone should do what they > are comfortable > with...thus, the group of 20 people I had on my relaxed > ride. My point is > just that you seem to have a lot of opinions, many strong > ones, and one of > the reasons I like bike nights and rides is because you > actually get to know > the people on the list...their personalities, other > interests, etc...and it > makes the things they say on the list more credible. > Does that make sense? yeah....but i already know plenty of people on this list personally. i don't feel the need to justify my absence from a few drinking opportunities. > > your method is a proven recipe for disaster. groups of > > 20+ riders with no experience riding with one another is > > scary. > > Oh, I totally disagree...it's not that we have no riding > experience....you > know what....I'm done...you are *so* not worth ruining my > Sunday over. My > inexperienced ass is going to go get on my bike now and > ride....Something > definitely more pleasurable than this discussion! you are so blinded by your anger toward me that you don't even understand what i said. nobody had any experience riding with one another. 20 people who don't know each other's riding styles, i.e., late-brakers, no brakes at all, etc., is a recipe for disaster. you think otherwise. fine. history will show who's correct here. > Oh, and BTW, I wasn't looking for any apology...I only > care about getting apologies from people I care about. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 17:58:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8ALwYH20623 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.b7.6a5e663 (4252); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:58:21 EDT Subject: Re: Low speed crash To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Michael, I must confess. I too have something just as stupid myself. In front of way more than one person too. Here goes the confession of stupidity. I was out riding with the guys when I live in Houston. We were cruising the boulevard on Friday night and pulled into a gas station. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 18:01:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8AM1VH20719 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.f2.290dbe0 (4252); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:01:13 EDT Subject: Re: Low speed crash To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Dang it! Hit the wrong button and didn't get to finish my story! I hate when that happens! Anyway, all the guys pulled into the gas station ahead of me. I came around the pumps to park behind everybody and when I went to get off the bike, I forgot to put the side stand down. I faw down go boom too. It was really embarrassing, but kinda funny to sell all the guys rush over to help me. :o) Needless to say, up until my departure I was called the gas crasher. lol Jess (the dumbass) Morgan From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 19:42:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8ANgpH22340 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.cb.93ffd2c (4403); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:42:36 EDT Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Laura, Just a quick note to say thanks for leading another great ride! The weather seems to be on your side! Can't wait for the next one. There will be at least one more before winter, right?! :) Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV BTW, like listers past that annoyed me, just ignore the jerks. If nobody pays attention to them, they tend to go away or simply shut up. Hmm, better put on my asbestos suit now. ;) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 19:49:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8ANn5H22419 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21207 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2000 16:48:49 -0700 Received: from PPPa56-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.213) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 16:48:49 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Sep 2000 23:48:49 GMT Message-ID: <001001c01b81$a0f7cf20$d57c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Low speed crash Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:48:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Needless to say, up until my departure I was called the gas crasher. lol > Mike...say nothing about someone else you know who had almost the same exact embarrassing thing happen to her...except in the gas station was about 10 harley riders all giggling at the girl who dropped her new bike (30-day tags) . Damn...that sucked...or so the girl told me :-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 20:51:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B0psH23469 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.8e.a595603 (4069); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8e.a595603.26ed86a1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:51:45 EDT Subject: Re: Low speed crash To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 9/10/2000 2:12:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: << No, Ossifer, I havent been drinking - two Cokes (with lemon) - nope - no alcohol at all. I seem to have reached the stage where I can do wierd stuff all by myself without the aid of chemical enhancers. Ride safe - you NEVER know when you're gonna get bit Michael (I only seem do this shit when I have an audience) J. >> Here's another line to give the nice police man. "No occifer, I'm not under the alcofluence of incohol." ;-) Had a friend use that line before. All the sobriety tests turned up negative and the cop didn't know what to do. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 20:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B0rQH23479 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.ca.9fd4cb8 (4418); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:53:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:53:11 EDT Subject: Re: Low speed crash To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > I forgot to put the side stand down I did that in my garage once - found out what that pole in the middle of the floor is for :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 20:54:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8B0sDH23489 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:50:13 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:49:06 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8B0sFH23490 Alright already, but at least my wrists don't hurt anymore. George Charles V. Pena wrote With those bar risers on your VFR, isn't that what you have??? %^) Chuck (we won't mention any names about the GRAVEL ROAD!) From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 22:08:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B28gH24670 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA05407 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005801c01b96$1ba7ccc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: Subject: Thanks Laura and Sean! Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:15:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C01B74.92DA24E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C01B74.92DA24E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yesterday's group ride was great despite the downed bikes and the = motocross track that we had to ride through. :-) I had originally = planned on riding with the relaxed ride folks as it had been almost a = year since I had been on any kind of an aggressive ride. Something made = me change my mind at the last minute... glad I did! Me and the old VFR = got a pretty nice workout yesterday! In fact the VFR got sooo much of a = workout that after lunch it decided to sit out on the festivities for = the rest of the afternoon out! Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering up your GS500 = as a means of getting to Centreville in order to meet Jeannette to get = the rescue vehicle. And she was right folks... I felt like I was riding = one of those little kid trainer bicycles! The GS did fine though... = hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb = w/gear frame) without a hitch! Thank you for letting ME be the driver, = too! Another "thank you" goes out to Roy Turner and his friend (sorry... = can't remember your name) on the CBR900RR (BUMBLE). We just happened to = cross paths again in The Plains when I showed up to grab the dead = Viffer. They helped Jeannette and I get the bike into the truck = securely for the trip back to Arlington. If they hadn't shown up when = they did I would have had one heck of a time trying to get the bike in = there (usually I drive it up into the truck). We also got a chance to = ride together before lunch when the rest of the group got split up = during John's low-side on 211. The riding we did going back to The = Plains was about the best of the entire run. =20 Looking forward to doing it again folks! Tom '86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C01B74.92DA24E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yesterday's group ride was great despite the downed = bikes and=20 the motocross track that we had to ride through. :-)  I had = originally=20 planned on riding with the relaxed ride folks as it had been almost a = year since=20 I had been on any kind of an aggressive ride.  Something made = me=20 change my mind at the last minute... glad I did!  Me and the old = VFR got a=20 pretty nice workout yesterday!  In fact the VFR got sooo much of a = workout=20 that after lunch it decided to sit out on the festivities for the rest = of the=20 afternoon out!
 
Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for = offering up=20 your GS500 as a means of getting to Centreville in order to meet = Jeannette to=20 get the rescue vehicle.  And she was right folks... I felt like I = was=20 riding one of those little kid trainer bicycles!  The GS did fine = though...=20 hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb = w/gear=20 frame) without a hitch!  Thank you for letting ME be the driver,=20 too!
 
Another "thank you" goes out to Roy Turner and his = friend=20 (sorry... can't remember your name) on the CBR900RR (BUMBLE).  = We just=20 happened to cross paths again in The Plains when I showed up to grab the = dead=20 Viffer.  They helped Jeannette and I get the bike into the truck = securely=20 for the trip back to Arlington.  If they hadn't shown up when they = did I=20 would have had one heck of a time trying to get the bike in there = (usually I=20 drive it up into the truck).  We also got a chance to ride together = before=20 lunch when the rest of the group got split up during John's low-side on=20 211.  The riding we did going back to The Plains was about the best = of the=20 entire run. 
 
Looking forward to doing it again = folks!
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C01B74.92DA24E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 22:20:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B2KGH24893 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norc (dyn39.c5200-3.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.73.104]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id WAA04257 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:20:03 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000910220507.00bb8ba0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:09:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Low speed crash In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8B2KKH24894 At 06:01 PM 9/10/00 , HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX: >... >the pumps to park behind everybody and when I went to get off the bike, I >forgot to put the side stand down. Been there, done that :-) And, just a couple weeks ago, I was waxing the tank. Thought the bike was on the center stand but it wasn't. I rubbed a little too hard and over it went. Fortunately, I was able to ease it down with no damage. M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 22:36:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8B2arH25116 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000911023646.14916.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.179] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:36:46 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Street Tire Endorsement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'll second the pilot sport recommendation. they came standard on my bike, and i got 6200 miles out of 'em running 32/36. pretty good considering they were on a torquey v-twin sportbike. the only problem with them is that they are at the upper end of the price spectrum. --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > One thing I'd like to mention for people looking at new > shoes for their > sportbikes - > > I put a new set of Michelin Pilots (Street compount - not > race tires) on my > Duc Friday night, and rode them for the first time on the > group ride. I'm > really happy with them - plenty of grip, all the way to > the edges, with no > slipping or sliding what so ever. They heated up very > nicely and even balled > up a bit up on 211, running 30/30 pressures in them to > account for "spirited" > riding :) Can't say how long they'll last, but the > Michelin Hi-Sport tires > that came with the bike lasted 6k miles, which is pretty > decent for how I use > the bike (I pretty much only use the Duc for back-road > twisties). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 22:37:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B2bFH25126 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-44.patriot.net [209.249.180.44]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8B2b9H22039; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:37:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39BC4526.230127AD@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:36:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas_Zell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! References: <005801c01b96$1ba7ccc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FD52D57C1DD14DB27565D189" --------------FD52D57C1DD14DB27565D189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't get it - your Japanese scoot broke down? Dead on the road? No response? Belly up? And had to be carted back home on a *shiver* pickemup truck? Kneel, bro, so I can award you an honorary Knighthood of the Harley Bill Thomas_Zell wrote: > Yesterday's group ride was great despite the downed bikes and the > motocross track that we had to ride through. :-) I had originally > planned on riding with the relaxed ride folks as it had been almost a > year since I had been on any kind of an aggressive ride. Something > made me change my mind at the last minute... glad I did! Me and the > old VFR got a pretty nice workout yesterday! In fact the VFR got sooo > much of a workout that after lunch it decided to sit out on the > festivities for the rest of the afternoon out! Laura, a special "thank > you" goes out to you for offering up your GS500 as a means of getting > to Centreville in order to meet Jeannette to get the rescue vehicle. > And she was right folks... I felt like I was riding one of those > little kid trainer bicycles! The GS did fine though... hauled both of > us (and that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb w/gear frame) > without a hitch! Thank you for letting ME be the driver, too! Another > "thank you" goes out to Roy Turner and his friend (sorry... can't > remember your name) on the CBR900RR (BUMBLE). We just happened to > cross paths again in The Plains when I showed up to grab the dead > Viffer. They helped Jeannette and I get the bike into the truck > securely for the trip back to Arlington. If they hadn't shown up when > they did I would have had one heck of a time trying to get the bike in > there (usually I drive it up into the truck). We also got a chance to > ride together before lunch when the rest of the group got split up > during John's low-side on 211. The riding we did going back to The > Plains was about the best of the entire run. Looking forward to doing > it again folks! Tom'86 VFR750 --------------FD52D57C1DD14DB27565D189 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't get it - your Japanese scoot broke down?  Dead on the road?  No response?  Belly up?  And had to be carted back home on a *shiver* pickemup truck?

Kneel, bro, so I can award you an honorary Knighthood of the Harley

Bill
 

Thomas_Zell wrote:

Yesterday's group ride was great despite the downed bikes and the motocross track that we had to ride through. :-)  I had originally planned on riding with the relaxed ride folks as it had been almost a year since I had been on any kind of an aggressive ride.  Something made me change my mind at the last minute... glad I did!  Me and the old VFR got a pretty nice workout yesterday!  In fact the VFR got sooo much of a workout that after lunch it decided to sit out on the festivities for the rest of the afternoon out! Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering up your GS500 as a means of getting to Centreville in order to meet Jeannette to get the rescue vehicle.  And she was right folks... I felt like I was riding one of those little kid trainer bicycles!  The GS did fine though... hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb w/gear frame) without a hitch!  Thank you for letting ME be the driver, too! Another "thank you" goes out to Roy Turner and his friend (sorry... can't remember your name) on the CBR900RR (BUMBLE).  We just happened to cross paths again in The Plains when I showed up to grab the dead Viffer.  They helped Jeannette and I get the bike into the truck securely for the trip back to Arlington.  If they hadn't shown up when they did I would have had one heck of a time trying to get the bike in there (usually I drive it up into the truck).  We also got a chance to ride together before lunch when the rest of the group got split up during John's low-side on 211.  The riding we did going back to The Plains was about the best of the entire run. Looking forward to doing it again folks! Tom'86 VFR750
--------------FD52D57C1DD14DB27565D189-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 22:43:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B2hHH25203 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.207.54]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:42:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39BC456B.35611951@cox.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:37:31 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! References: <005801c01b96$1ba7ccc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2A0DF80030F3CD923A4F82CD" --------------2A0DF80030F3CD923A4F82CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aww, darn, I was hoping Laura drove. I figured with Tom's weight in back and Laura's lack of same up front, the bike must have wheelied all the way home :-) Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Thomas_Zell wrote: > {snip} Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering up > your GS500 as a means of getting to Centreville in order to meet > Jeannette to get the rescue vehicle. And she was right folks... I > felt like I was riding one of those little kid trainer bicycles! The > GS did fine though... hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when > you consider my 220lb w/gear frame) without a hitch! Thank you for > letting ME be the driver, too! {snip} Tom'86 VFR750 --------------2A0DF80030F3CD923A4F82CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aww, darn, I was hoping Laura drove.  I figured with Tom's weight in back and Laura's lack of same up front, the bike must have wheelied all the way home :-)

Larry Meyer
Annandale, VA
1997 Bandit 1200

Thomas_Zell wrote:

{snip} Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering up your GS500 as a means of getting to Centreville in order to meet Jeannette to get the rescue vehicle.  And she was right folks... I felt like I was riding one of those little kid trainer bicycles!  The GS did fine though... hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb w/gear frame) without a hitch!  Thank you for letting ME be the driver, too! {snip} Tom'86 VFR750
--------------2A0DF80030F3CD923A4F82CD-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 22:57:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8B2vWH25438 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000911025726.1018.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.179] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:57:26 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > One thing I don't understand. > > How does one ever go on a group ride without riding with > people you've never ridden with before? Even with your > best riding buddy, there was that first > time you'd ridden with him/her. good point, paul....you definitely have to ride with a group to become part of a group. the way the group i ride with introduces a new rider is to put him in the rear of the pack to get a feel for how the group does things. when he gets comfortable with everyone and how things work, he finds a suitable spot in the lineup. i've just seen and heard of too much ugly shit happen when you put a large group of new-to-each-other characters together. > It seems to me as a point of logic, you've > got to do it at least once, otherwise you'd ride alone > exclusively. I agree, > however, that riding above 6/10ths in a group is not > advisable unless you're > intimately familiar with the riding style and habits of > the other riders. > Maybe that's why I find the "relaxed" rides attractive. and i think it's great that laura has made a big effort put these together. if todd peer hadn't organized the dc-cycles trip to deals gap a few years ago, i would probably have never met some of my closest friends. that would suck. relaxed rides with a big group of new characters shouldn't be a problem. 'spirited rides' are where the trouble lies. i really have just been trying to give some advice on this topic that comes from first-hand experience, but apparently my past sins have stripped me of my credibility. i wish that weren't the case, because i speak the truth. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 23:17:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B3GxH25762 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA06337 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002501c01b9f$799790a0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: References: <005801c01b96$1ba7ccc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> <39BC4526.230127AD@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:22:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C01B7D.F2320440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C01B7D.F2320440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep... belly up... battery was toast when I came out from lunch (and was = even toastier when I went back to get it a couple of hours later). This = was the first time ever that a bike belonging to me has had to be carted = home (not including Jeannette's VFR). Glad that we have the new truck = to save my ass on days like that! On my knees, I humbly the accept the Knighthood of the Harley. ;-) Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Huson=20 To: Thomas_Zell=20 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! I don't get it - your Japanese scoot broke down? Dead on the road? = No response? Belly up? And had to be carted back home on a *shiver* = pickemup truck?=20 Kneel, bro, so I can award you an honorary Knighthood of the Harley=20 Bill=20 =20 Thomas_Zell wrote:=20 Yesterday's group ride was great despite the downed bikes and the = motocross track that we had to ride through. :-) I had originally = planned on riding with the relaxed ride folks as it had been almost a = year since I had been on any kind of an aggressive ride. Something made = me change my mind at the last minute... glad I did! Me and the old VFR = got a pretty nice workout yesterday! In fact the VFR got sooo much of a = workout that after lunch it decided to sit out on the festivities for = the rest of the afternoon out! Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to = you for offering up your GS500 as a means of getting to Centreville in = order to meet Jeannette to get the rescue vehicle. And she was right = folks... I felt like I was riding one of those little kid trainer = bicycles! The GS did fine though... hauled both of us (and that's = saying a lot when you consider my 220lb w/gear frame) without a hitch! = Thank you for letting ME be the driver, too! Another "thank you" goes = out to Roy Turner and his friend (sorry... can't remember your name) on = the CBR900RR (BUMBLE). We just happened to cross paths again in The = Plains when I showed up to grab the dead Viffer. They helped Jeannette = and I get the bike into the truck securely for the trip back to = Arlington. If they hadn't shown up when they did I would have had one = heck of a time trying to get the bike in there (usually I drive it up = into the truck). We also got a chance to ride together before lunch = when the rest of the group got split up during John's low-side on 211. = The riding we did going back to The Plains was about the best of the = entire run. Looking forward to doing it again folks! Tom'86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C01B7D.F2320440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep... belly up... battery was toast when I came out = from=20 lunch (and was even toastier when I went back to get it a couple of = hours=20 later).  This was the first time ever that a = bike=20 belonging to me has had to be carted home (not including Jeannette's = VFR). =20 Glad that we have the new truck to save my ass on days like=20 that!
 
On my knees, I humbly the accept the Knighthood of = the Harley.=20 ;-)
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill = Huson=20
Sent: Sunday, September 10, = 2000 10:36=20 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and = Sean!

I don't get it - your Japanese scoot broke down?  = Dead on=20 the road?  No response?  Belly up?  And had to be = carted back=20 home on a *shiver* pickemup truck?=20

Kneel, bro, so I can award you an honorary Knighthood of the Harley =

Bill
 =20

Thomas_Zell wrote:=20

Yesterday's group ride was great despite the downed = bikes and=20 the motocross track that we had to ride through. :-)  I had = originally=20 planned on riding with the relaxed ride folks as it had been almost = a year=20 since I had been on any kind of an aggressive ride.  Something = made me=20 change my mind at the last minute... glad I did!  Me and the = old VFR=20 got a pretty nice workout yesterday!  In fact the VFR got sooo = much of=20 a workout that after lunch it decided to sit out on the festivities = for the=20 rest of the afternoon out! Laura, a = special "thank=20 you" goes out to you for offering up your GS500 as a means of = getting to=20 Centreville in order to meet Jeannette to get the rescue = vehicle.  And=20 she was right folks... I felt like I was riding one of those little = kid=20 trainer bicycles!  The GS did fine though... hauled both of us = (and=20 that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb w/gear frame) without = a=20 hitch!  Thank you for letting ME be the driver, = too! Another "thank you" goes out to Roy Turner and his friend = (sorry...=20 can't remember your name) on the CBR900RR (BUMBLE).  We just = happened=20 to cross paths again in The Plains when I showed up to grab the dead = Viffer.  They helped Jeannette and I get the bike into the = truck=20 securely for the trip back to Arlington.  If they hadn't shown = up when=20 they did I would have had one heck of a time trying to get the bike = in there=20 (usually I drive it up into the truck).  We also got a chance = to ride=20 together before lunch when the rest of the group got split up during = John's=20 low-side on 211.  The riding we did going back to The Plains = was about=20 the best of the entire run. Looking = forward to=20 doing it again folks! Tom'86=20 VFR750
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C01B7D.F2320440-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 23:19:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B3JNH25778 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10333; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:18:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000910230725.00cb51f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:18:43 -0400 To: Tom Gimer From: Troutman Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000911025726.1018.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:57 PM 9/10/2000 , Tom Gimer wrote: >good point, paul....you definitely have to ride with a >group to become part of a group. the way the group i ride >with introduces a new rider is to put him in the rear of >the pack to get a feel for how the group does things. when >he gets comfortable with everyone and how things work, he >finds a suitable spot in the lineup. i've just seen and >heard of too much ugly shit happen when you put a large >group of new-to-each-other characters together. Sounds like a good way to go about it. I gave up group rides for a while because I wasn't comfortable with the pace we were keeping. More than once I split in the middle of the ride rather than continue well above my envelope. I would like to see us talk a little more about experience before the next ride. I learned from the list that the rider that went down (on the spirited ride) had only been riding for 2 months. He really had no business riding in the faster of the fast pack. I'm not laying blame - I was behind him some distance and didn't see what happened, but regardless...someone with that little experience should not have been in that group. Hell, I don't know if I had any business in that group with 25,000 miles on the road ;-) We can't expect people to overcome an ego to select the 'correct' spot in a pack. Had I been in Bryan's spot, I may well have gone down with the SV650. Fortunately I dress for the crash (kevlar jeans are really comfy in the summer) and I didn't have to road test my First Gear jacket. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Sep 10 23:21:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B3LhH25876 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA10425; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003101c01ba0$4e8db140$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Larry Meyer" , References: <005801c01b96$1ba7ccc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> <39BC456B.35611951@cox.rr.com> Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:28:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C01B7E.C6FEF200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C01B7E.C6FEF200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No such luck Larry! Thank God, too! I can hear the comments now... man = check out the leather-clad monster on the back of that little bike that = lady is riding. It must have looked funny regardless. Well... I knew for sure that I could have done wheelies all day with it = had I been riding in the pillion position by myself (which would have = fit me perfectly as a normal riding position... can I say again that = that bike is REALLY small without offending you Laura? ;-) ).=20 Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Meyer=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! Aww, darn, I was hoping Laura drove. I figured with Tom's weight in = back and Laura's lack of same up front, the bike must have wheelied all = the way home :-)=20 Larry Meyer=20 Annandale, VA=20 1997 Bandit 1200=20 Thomas_Zell wrote:=20 {snip} Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering up = your GS500 as a means of getting to Centreville in order to meet = Jeannette to get the rescue vehicle. And she was right folks... I felt = like I was riding one of those little kid trainer bicycles! The GS did = fine though... hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when you = consider my 220lb w/gear frame) without a hitch! Thank you for letting = ME be the driver, too! {snip} Tom'86 VFR750 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C01B7E.C6FEF200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No such luck Larry!  Thank God, too!  I=20 can hear the comments now... man check out the leather-clad = monster on=20 the back of that little bike that lady is riding.  It must have=20 looked funny regardless.
 
Well... I knew for sure that I could have done = wheelies all=20 day with it had I been riding in the pillion position by myself (which = would=20 have fit me perfectly as a normal riding position... can I say again = that that=20 bike is REALLY small without offending you Laura? ;-) ).
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry = Meyer=20
Sent: Sunday, September 10, = 2000 10:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and = Sean!

Aww, darn, I was hoping Laura drove.  I figured = with Tom's=20 weight in back and Laura's lack of same up front, the bike must have = wheelied=20 all the way home :-)=20

Larry Meyer
Annandale, VA
1997 Bandit 1200=20

Thomas_Zell wrote:=20

{snip} Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering = up your=20 GS500 as a means of getting to Centreville in order to meet = Jeannette to get=20 the rescue vehicle.  And she was right folks... I felt like I = was=20 riding one of those little kid trainer bicycles!  The GS did = fine=20 though... hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when you = consider my=20 220lb w/gear frame) without a hitch!  Thank you for letting ME = be the=20 driver, too! {snip} Tom'86=20 VFR750
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C01B7E.C6FEF200-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 00:49:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B4mwH27203 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000911044850.KZS4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c01bab$bc086c00$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "Bill Huson" , "Thomas_Zell" Cc: References: <005801c01b96$1ba7ccc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> <39BC4526.230127AD@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:49:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C01B8A.34AC0760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C01B8A.34AC0760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, You may want to check the by-laws. I don't know if a 14 year old = Japanese bike with a dead battery counts. I mean that wouldn't even = cause a puddle of oil to form. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but I think = the break down has to occur with in 90 days of purchase or no more then = 30 days after the warranty expires. (Insert appropriate e-moticon here) -James ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Huson=20 To: Thomas_Zell=20 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! I don't get it - your Japanese scoot broke down? Dead on the road? = No response? Belly up? And had to be carted back home on a *shiver* = pickemup truck?=20 Kneel, bro, so I can award you an honorary Knighthood of the Harley=20 Bill=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C01B8A.34AC0760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
    You may want to check the = by-laws. I don't=20 know if a 14 year old Japanese bike with a dead battery counts. I mean = that=20 wouldn't even cause a puddle of oil to form. Now, correct me if I'm = wrong but I=20 think the break down has to occur with in 90 days of purchase or no more = then 30=20 days after the warranty expires. (Insert appropriate e-moticon=20 here)
 
-James
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill = Huson=20
Sent: Sunday, September 10, = 2000 10:36=20 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and = Sean!

I don't get it - your Japanese scoot broke down?  = Dead on=20 the road?  No response?  Belly up?  And had to be = carted back=20 home on a *shiver* pickemup truck?=20

Kneel, bro, so I can award you an honorary Knighthood of the Harley =

Bill
 

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C01B8A.34AC0760-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 01:10:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8B5AvH27544 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000911051054.VNA4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:10:54 -0700 Message-ID: <004b01c01bae$d0c36660$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <005801c01b96$1ba7ccc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> <39BC456B.35611951@cox.rr.com> <003101c01ba0$4e8db140$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:12:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C01B8D.497F6BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C01B8D.497F6BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to add my round of thanks to the organizers, leaders = and sweeps that made my first group ride so much fun. The relaxed ride = is a great way to get used to the dynamics of group riding with out the = anxiety of a CBR929RR breathing down your neck untill he can pass. I = would encourage any one else who may be a little aperhensive to do the = next RR (There will be a next one, right?). All in all, it was an = awesome day. Every thing from rolling in to the Sheetz lot and spotting = 35 or 40 bikes lined up to lunch at the Railstop was a blast. I got to = meet a number of people whose names I recognize from the list which = turned in to alot of "Oh yeah, youre the guy who..." . Well I just saw = Colin Edwards win the first WSBK race on Speedvision and Corser just = dropped out of race 2 so I gotta go watch. -James '00 SV650 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C01B8D.497F6BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I would like to add my round of = thanks to=20 the organizers, leaders and sweeps that made my first group ride so much = fun.=20 The relaxed ride is a great way to get used to the dynamics of group = riding with=20 out the anxiety of a CBR929RR breathing down your neck untill he can = pass. I=20 would encourage any one else who may be a little aperhensive to do the = next RR=20 (There will be a next one, right?). All in all, it was an = awesome day.=20 Every thing from rolling in to the Sheetz lot and spotting 35 or 40 = bikes lined=20 up to lunch at the Railstop was a blast. I got to meet a number of = people whose=20 names I recognize from the list which turned in to alot of "Oh yeah, = youre the=20 guy who..." .  Well I just saw Colin Edwards win the first WSBK = race on=20 Speedvision and Corser just dropped out of race 2 so I gotta go=20 watch.
 
-James
'00 SV650
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C01B8D.497F6BC0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 07:47:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BBlLH04477 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10505; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Baltimore Cycles , DC Cycles Subject: Jo & Lu's Bike Bar? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know of a biker bar named Jo and Lu's (?) on either 27 or 108? I was coming home from Westminster to Olney and drove this place with a load of bikes out front (Harley's, I think). I hadn't heard of it before and was wondering if anyone else had. I think it was called Jo & Lu's but I am not sure about that. Thanks. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 07:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BBwnH04643 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA3869745 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BCC8E8.6C452620@radix.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:58:32 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low speed crash References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyway, all the guys pulled into the gas station ahead of me. I came around > the pumps to park behind everybody and when I went to get off the bike, I > forgot to put the side stand down. I bought a $500 V45 Magna for my 1st bike. after about 6 months or so of riding, I pulled into a gas station by work in Tysons, kicked at the sidestand, & started to let the bike over left... Unfortunately for me, the sidestand didn't lock into position, so it just retracted when I went over far enough. I knew I was in for a tip over, because I was using all my strength to keep the bike listing at an angle I knew I couldn't save - BUT - I was able to hold it there. So, I looked around & realized that I could set it down by carefully extracting my left foot, & probably nobody would be the wiser. So, I look around, only a couple of people at the register, so I wait for them to depart - then gently set her down. It worked just as planned, set her on the left footpeg, pulled my foot out, & hopped over the bike. I grabbed the bars & yanked it up, she was probably down for no more than 15 seconds. On reflection, probably the most amusing part was when I held the bike up for [what seemed like an eternity] while most of the customers left. I didn't hear any guffaws, so I guess nobody saw it :-) that would've been 8 years ago... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 08:08:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BC8PH04820 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-213.s467.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.213] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13YSNq-0006kh-00; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:08:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01aa01c01be9$865ac740$d5ef7ad1@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Morris Berman" , "Baltimore Cycles" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Jo & Lu's Bike Bar? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:12:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 It is called Lou and Joe's. It is on Route 27. If you take the I-70 exit and go South on 27 it is about 1 mile (just guessing about the distance). Watch for it on the right. You have to watch carefully for it because it is right after the crest of a hill. They have good crab soup. Kathleen Loerich Frederick, MD. ----- Original Message ----- From: Morris Berman To: Baltimore Cycles ; DC Cycles Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 07:47 Subject: Jo & Lu's Bike Bar? > Does anyone know of a biker bar named Jo and Lu's (?) on either 27 or > 108? I was coming home from Westminster to Olney and drove this place > with a load of bikes out front (Harley's, I think). I hadn't heard of it > before and was wondering if anyone else had. I think it was called Jo & > Lu's but I am not sure about that. > > Thanks. > > -Mb > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 08:15:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BCF0H04960 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA27606 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:14:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA27596 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:14:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19673 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000911081634.009f3a30@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:16:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Fwd: Re: helpful riders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:16:14 -0400 >To: Jim Terry >From: Jeannette Zell >Subject: Re: helpful riders > >Man, people suck. > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >At 12:44 PM 9/8/00 -0400, you wrote: >>I was riding home on the backroads of Southern Maryland last night and >>experience a blowout in the rear tire. I managed to stop safely after >>some thrilling acrobatics that were witnessed by an on-coming rider. He >>slowed to watch the show but did'nt stop to offer aid or check on my >>condition. I called AMA MOTOW and began what seemed like an >>interminable wait. While I waiting to different women in much derided >>mini-vans stop and asked if they could help as did a rider who was >>driving a truck atthe time but identified himself as a rider and >>comiserated about my plight. Finally the fourth rider to come by >>stopped to ask if he could help. A fifth rider passed before the tow >>truck showed up after a two and one half hour rate. >> >>To all who passed me by. MAY YOU ROT IN HELL. >> >>Jim >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 08:24:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BCO3H05062 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-30.patriot.net [209.249.181.30]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8BCNjH24896; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:23:48 -0400 Message-ID: <39BCCE95.3314779E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:22:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low speed crash References: <39BCC8E8.6C452620@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Anyway, all the guys pulled into the gas station ahead of me. I came around > > the pumps to park behind everybody and when I went to get off the bike, I > > forgot to put the side stand down. > > I bought a $500 V45 Magna for my 1st bike. after about 6 months or so > of riding, I pulled into a gas station by work in Tysons, kicked at the > sidestand, & started to let the bike over left... Unfortunately for me, > the sidestand didn't lock into position, so it just retracted when I > went over far enough. I knew I was in for a tip over, because I was > using all my strength to keep the bike listing at an angle I knew I > couldn't save - BUT - I was able to hold it there. So, I looked around > & realized that I could set it down by carefully extracting my left > foot, & probably nobody would be the wiser. So, I look around, only a > couple of people at the register, so I wait for them to depart - then > gently set her down. It worked just as planned, set her on the left > footpeg, pulled my foot out, & hopped over the bike. I grabbed the bars > & yanked it up, she was probably down for no more than 15 seconds. On > reflection, probably the most amusing part was when I held the bike up > for [what seemed like an eternity] while most of the customers left. I > didn't hear any guffaws, so I guess nobody saw it :-) > > that would've been 8 years ago... > Heh heh, like who hasn't done that. My first (still riding so I expect it will happen again) gas station set down was from road fatigue. I had blasted down from the chilly north, running without a break until the Suzuki fuel tank was well into reserve, more'n 270 miles, and pulled into the station to fillerup. Uh-oh - me legs be totally munb - muscles merely laughing at my command to move... *flop* &^*%$*^% Oddly, no one laughed, they all rushed over to see if I was okay and helped me right the bike. Yankee hospitality I reckon. In fact, they kinda looked at me funny when I started laughing. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 08:26:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchng-fairfax.pec.com (exchng-fairfax.pec.com [204.254.216.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BCQVH05075 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exchng-fairfax.pec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:28:57 -0400 Message-ID: <5023FFCA43D8D311A8360008C7F450FD41B7AF@exchng-fairfax.pec.com> From: RMeyer To: "Steve Meyer (E-mail)" , "Steve Meyer (E-mail 2)" , "Brenda Meyer (E-mail)" , "Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail)" , "Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail)" , "Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail 2)" , "Mike Brunner (E-mail)" Cc: "'st1100@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: ********** VIRUS WARNING ********** Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:28:56 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C01BEB.DB125360" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01BEB.DB125360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > VIRUS WARNING - READ IMMEDIATELY AND PASS ON > > Someone is sending out a very cute screensaver of the Budweiser frogs. If > you download it, you will lose everything! Your hard > drive will crash and someone from the Internet will get your screen name > and password! > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! > > It just went into circulation yesterday. Please distribute this > message.This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people > knowabout it. This information was announced yesterday morning from > Microsoft. > > Please share it with everyone that might access the Internet. Once again, > pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book > so that this may be stopped. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C01BEB.DB125360-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 08:28:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BCSBH05149 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA28676 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:28:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA28670 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:28:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19881; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000911082824.00a09f00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:29:48 -0400 To: "Thomas_Zell" , From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! In-Reply-To: <005801c01b96$1ba7ccc0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_313056952==_.ALT" --=====================_313056952==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LAURA!!! You should've made him ride "bitch." I was SO HOPING for that when I came out to meet him! LOL ; ) I'm with Tom, thank you guys SO MUCH for stopping and helping. I think it would've taken us much, much longer if I had been the one helping... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:15 PM 9/10/00 -0400, Thomas_Zell wrote: > > Yesterday's group ride was great despite the downed bikes and the motocross > track that we had to ride through. :-) I had originally planned on riding > with the relaxed ride folks as it had been almost a year since I had been on > any kind of an aggressive ride. Something made me change my mind at the last > minute... glad I did! Me and the old VFR got a pretty nice workout > yesterday! In fact the VFR got sooo much of a workout that after lunch it > decided to sit out on the festivities for the rest of the afternoon out! > > Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering up your GS500 as a > means of getting to Centreville in order to meet Jeannette to get the rescue > vehicle. And she was right folks... I felt like I was riding one of those > little kid trainer bicycles! The GS did fine though... hauled both of us > (and that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb w/gear frame) without a > hitch! Thank you for letting ME be the driver, too! > > Another "thank you" goes out to Roy Turner and his friend (sorry... can't > remember your name) on the CBR900RR (BUMBLE). We just happened to cross > paths again in The Plains when I showed up to grab the dead Viffer. They > helped Jeannette and I get the bike into the truck securely for the trip back > to Arlington. If they hadn't shown up when they did I would have had one > heck of a time trying to get the bike in there (usually I drive it up into > the truck). We also got a chance to ride together before lunch when the rest > of the group got split up during John's low-side on 211. The riding we did > going back to The Plains was about the best of the entire run. > > Looking forward to doing it again folks! > > Tom > '86 VFR750 --=====================_313056952==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" LAURA!!!  You should've made him ride "bitch."
I was SO HOPING for that when I came out to meet him!  LOL  ; )

I'm with Tom, thank you guys SO MUCH for stopping and helping.  I think it would've taken us much, much longer if I had been the one helping...

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

At 10:15 PM 9/10/00 -0400, Thomas_Zell wrote:
Yesterday's group ride was great despite the downed bikes and the motocross track that we had to ride through. :-)  I had originally planned on riding with the relaxed ride folks as it had been almost a year since I had been on any kind of an aggressive ride.  Something made me change my mind at the last minute... glad I did!  Me and the old VFR got a pretty nice workout yesterday!  In fact the VFR got sooo much of a workout that after lunch it decided to sit out on the festivities for the rest of the afternoon out!
 
Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering up your GS500 as a means of getting to Centreville in order to meet Jeannette to get the rescue vehicle.  And she was right folks... I felt like I was riding one of those little kid trainer bicycles!  The GS did fine though... hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb w/gear frame) without a hitch!  Thank you for letting ME be the driver, too!
 
Another "thank you" goes out to Roy Turner and his friend (sorry... can't remember your name) on the CBR900RR (BUMBLE).  We just happened to cross paths again in The Plains when I showed up to grab the dead Viffer.  They helped Jeannette and I get the bike into the truck securely for the trip back to Arlington.  If they hadn't shown up when they did I would have had one heck of a time trying to get the bike in there (usually I drive it up into the truck).  We also got a chance to ride together before lunch when the rest of the group got split up during John's low-side on 211.  The riding we did going back to The Plains was about the best of the entire run. 
 
Looking forward to doing it again folks!
 
Tom
'86 VFR750

--=====================_313056952==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 08:45:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BCjuH05438 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.23.bf2ed0 (15893); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:45:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:45:24 EDT From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Subject: (HOAX- STOP FORWARDING) ********** VIRUS WARNING ********** To: , , , , , , , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <23.bf2ed0.26ee2de4@aol.com> Please, please... don't forward this stuff. http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/scares/budweiserfrogs.html It's a very old hoax. The only virus involved here is one that makes people send this hoax mail out to everyone they know. All real virus information can be found at places such as www.virus.com. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 08:56:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BCuWH05552 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA02027 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:56:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA02023 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:56:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20582; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000911084725.00a063a0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:58:04 -0400 To: "Tanner, Linda" , "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders In-Reply-To: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E902DBCF93@us-cwi-exc-a09.cw i.cablew.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hope I'm not repeating anything anyone's said...hard to catch up with all the posts on Monday morning. One of my favorite quotes from the article was this, as I felt it described what I feel almost identically: "For Jenn, the adrenaline rush of learning to master her R1 is key. However, riding allows her to be by herself yet with friends at the same time. When Karen rides she feels "almost invincible" - like she's in another world, where no one can touch her. A couple of them mentioned a sense of completeness, a feeling of being alive, and a huge stress reliever." Maybe I'm a bit slow, but I totally didn't get the following quote. Dressing up like women? Huh? I don't see her point here: "What we found really amazing was that these men, who ride with us all the time, were suddenly fascinated with what we were doing, going so far as to joke about dressing up as women themselves or "accidentally" crossing our path sometime during the day." As for me, I have only experienced 1 incident on a group ride where I felt like I was treated differently because I was female. We were all riding in the "slower" group and some guy in front of me kept going so slow that I wanted to pass him. I waited and waited, afraid I'd "offend" him if I passed him... Well, I got bored and finally got a chance to pass him and then I rode way ahead, enjoying my ride much more now that I didn't have to brake so often. Then, as we came all stopped at a stop sign, he got in front of me again! So, this time, I passed him without thought for his feelings. I may be wrong, but I felt like he was upset by the thought that I, a woman, passed him... Of course, when you're female and in the "minority," so to speak, on a ride, could I have just been being overly-sensitive to this issue (?) Not sure, but that's the way I felt... Otherwise, in general, I've only experienced positive things from men being a female rider. Now treatment from non-riding women is another story. I can't even COUNT how many dirty, disgusted or frightened looks I've gotten from women (white women, in particular) when they see me in the elevator or on the street with my helmet/gear. What is UP with that!? Men usually just ask what I ride. So much for female comradery, right? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:13 AM 9/8/00 -0400, Tanner, Linda wrote: >Thanks, Randy. > >It's just too damn early... > >http://www.just2ride.com/just4women.html > >LindaT. >Springfield, VA, USA >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) >00 KLR250 Tenzing >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tanner, Linda [mailto:Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:58 AM >To: DC-CYCLES (E-mail) >Subject: Women Riders > > >FYI > >Here's a link to a story about women riders. It was written my one of my >Canadian buddies and is fairly thoughtful. > >What do you think? > >LindaT. >Springfield, VA, USA >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) >00 KLR250 Tenzing >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 09:19:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BDJdH05956 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 8.9b.a2ad87c (5712); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:19:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:19:23 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Women Riders To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <9b.a2ad87c.26ee35db@aol.com> In a message dated Mon, 11 Sep 2000 8:58:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeannette Zell writes: I totally identify with this. Not just as a woman, but as a motorcycle rider. I am most happy with myself when I am on a motorcycle. More so when I'M the one in control. But sometimes it is just as nice to have my arms wrapped around a man. :o) I can identify with this too Jeanette. When I walk into a store or pull into a parking lot and there are women around, I get dirty looks. Like they think it's disgusting that I ride a motorcycle (more specifically a sport bike). I don't care. I actually think it's amusing to a certain extent. Now men, on the other hand, are usually fascinated by it. Will try to make any excuse to talk to me. Or will say "nice bike" even if they don't know what the hell they're talking about just because they see a good looking chick on a bright sport bike. lol All I know is that motorcycling has brought to my life a sense of independence I have yet to achieve any other way. My life pretty much revolves around it. I drive a truck so I have something to haul it with, I work so I can ride, I am obsessive about maintenance, etc. etc. I think most of you on the list will agree with this. I wouldn't trade motorcycling for anything. Money, love, whatever. My bike never talks back to me, never yells at me, is very forgiving when I make mistakes, cleans up real nice (hehe), doesn't get mad if I stay out late......well, you guys get the idea. There is a sense of community between us motorcyclists that I have yet to find in any other sport (except for when Laura and Tim are arguing that is hehe). That is another aspect of this sport that continues to bring me back. Jess Morgan HondaF4Lover (who wants to buy my bike?) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:13 AM 9/8/00 -0400, Tanner, Linda wrote: >Thanks, Randy. > >It's just too damn early... > >http://www.just2ride.com/just4women.html > >LindaT. >Springfield, VA, USA >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) >00 KLR250 Tenzing >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tanner, Linda [mailto:Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:58 AM >To: DC-CYCLES (E-mail) >Subject: Women Riders > > >FYI > >Here's a link to a story about women riders. It was written my one of my >Canadian buddies and is fairly thoughtful. > >What do you think? > >LindaT. >Springfield, VA, USA >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) >00 KLR250 Tenzing >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 09:25:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BDPJH06048 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net (ams31097.niams.nih.gov [128.231.110.97]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA3891450 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BCDD3B.6278326@boo.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:25:15 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Cycle-Sport Track day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I missed most of the Cycle-Sport talk ( I was riding in South Africa) so I need a quick update. Are we meeting up before the drive there, are we doing one big pit, does anyone need any help? Lisa and I are going and I will have sometime this week if anybody needs some setup help? I really think this is a great experience that know one with a sportbike should miss, and I will help get you on the track any way I can (except for paying for it). I can't wait. This is my last track time of the year. This morning I rode my ZX-11 after putting 3k miles on a GS BMW, I never thought I would call my 11 light and flickable, but today that is how it felt. Jay From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 09:25:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BDPmH06058 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:23:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Low speed crash Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:23:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Harleys also have a separate fork lock away from the ignition on the gas tank (and, by the way, what's up with having to take your keys out while you ride?). This also makes for convenient potential drops. Get on the bike, turn on the ignition, pull it up off the sidestand, and suddenly you can't move the handlebars -- yikes! Even more forgettable than a Kryptonite disk lock, if you ask me! Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 2:35 PM To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low speed crash And then there are zero speed crashes... Lemme explain about Harley sidestands, they have a neat little tab that stabs betwixt two posts which insures the bike cannot just rolloff the stand. Unless, of course, one fails to align the stand tab. So I get off my steed, lock the ignition, flip the handlebars left, and *kerplop* I'm onna ground with this HUGE mo-fo bike on top of me! Even the aliens manning the 7-11 cash registers were laughing. Nothing like bench pressing 750# to keep one in shape. Nothing like that rsidual back pain (see prior comment) to make one pay attention to proper sidestand tab alignment. Bill MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > Who sez ya gotta go fast to crash? > > Left the Revolution's Bike Night (Crow Bar II) last night. > > Hopped on the SRX-6, fired it up (via the kickstarter (only option)), and > before I knew what was happening I was on the ground! > > Here's the scenario - I'm standing on the footpegs and the bike is on the > sidestand, my foot nudges the beast into first gear, the scooter lurches > forward (just enough to retract the sidestand) and then promptly stalls. I > faw down and go boom. > > Sorta like the guy on the tricycle on Laugh In (for those who remember) > > I somehow manage to avoid the domino effect with the adjacent bikes, pick up > the bike and get it back on the sidestand, whereupon one of Herndon's finest > (who witnessed the whole episode) asks me to "Step over here for a minute > please, Sir" > > No, Ossifer, I havent been drinking - two Cokes (with lemon) - nope - no > alcohol at all. > > I seem to have reached the stage where I can do wierd stuff all by myself > without the aid of chemical enhancers. > > Ride safe - you NEVER know when you're gonna get bit > > Michael (I only seem do this shit when I have an audience) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 09:32:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BDWUH06222 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17992 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 06:32:22 -0700 Date: 11 Sep 2000 06:32:22 -0700 Message-ID: <20000911133222.17991.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Sep 2000 13:32:22 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Sep 2000 06:32:22 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: JReazor@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! Well I just saw Colin Edwards win the first WSBK race on > Speedvision and Corser just dropped out of race 2 so I gotta go > watch Two completely incredible races! Now I know that next year I *have* to get my buns to a world superbike race...too cool. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 09:41:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BDfRH06306 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-30.patriot.net [209.249.181.30]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8BDfIH02805; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: <39BCE0CB.F16DAF21@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:40:28 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low speed crash References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ??? *some* Harleys have a seperate fork lock, and some have the ignition key on the side (Dynas). Mine is a bagger - FLHS. The igniton switch is locked and then unlocked, and the key goes in your pocket. You can't turn the ignition on without unlocking the fork - full left switch position is fork lock. It is kind of odd that one doesn't have to have the key inserted to operate the bike. Bill eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > Harleys also have a separate fork lock away from the ignition on the gas > tank (and, by the way, what's up with having to take your keys out while you > ride?). This also makes for convenient potential drops. Get on the bike, > turn on the ignition, pull it up off the sidestand, and suddenly you can't > move the handlebars -- yikes! Even more forgettable than a Kryptonite disk > lock, if you ask me! > > Bests, > > Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 2:35 PM > To: MJordan666@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Low speed crash > > And then there are zero speed crashes... Lemme explain about Harley > sidestands, > they have a neat little tab that stabs betwixt two posts which insures the > bike > cannot just rolloff the stand. Unless, of course, one fails to align the > stand > tab. So I get off my steed, lock the ignition, flip the handlebars left, > and > *kerplop* I'm onna ground with this HUGE mo-fo bike on top of me! Even > the > aliens manning the 7-11 cash registers were laughing. Nothing like bench > pressing 750# to keep one in shape. Nothing like that rsidual back pain > (see > prior comment) to make one pay attention to proper sidestand tab alignment. > > Bill > > MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Who sez ya gotta go fast to crash? > > > > Left the Revolution's Bike Night (Crow Bar II) last night. > > > > Hopped on the SRX-6, fired it up (via the kickstarter (only option)), and > > before I knew what was happening I was on the ground! > > > > Here's the scenario - I'm standing on the footpegs and the bike is on the > > sidestand, my foot nudges the beast into first gear, the scooter lurches > > forward (just enough to retract the sidestand) and then promptly stalls. I > > faw down and go boom. > > > > Sorta like the guy on the tricycle on Laugh In (for those who remember) > > > > I somehow manage to avoid the domino effect with the adjacent bikes, pick > up > > the bike and get it back on the sidestand, whereupon one of Herndon's > finest > > (who witnessed the whole episode) asks me to "Step over here for a minute > > please, Sir" > > > > No, Ossifer, I havent been drinking - two Cokes (with lemon) - nope - no > > alcohol at all. > > > > I seem to have reached the stage where I can do wierd stuff all by myself > > without the aid of chemical enhancers. > > > > Ride safe - you NEVER know when you're gonna get bit > > > > Michael (I only seem do this shit when I have an audience) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 09:44:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BDihH06403 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5936 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 06:44:32 -0700 Date: 11 Sep 2000 06:44:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20000911134431.5935.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Sep 2000 13:44:31 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Sep 2000 06:44:31 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report > > the way the group i ride > with introduces a new rider is to put him in the rear of > the pack to get a feel for how the group does things. Absolutely valid point, Tom. I will make sure this is done on the next ride... > > > > > > and i think it's great that laura has made a big effort put > these together. Thank you. I am doing my best. I just know there are a lot of people out there who would enjoy group rides, but didn't want to ride above their abilities...therefore, they opt to stay home. I know this because that is what I used to do. Now with the relaxed rides, it allows people who may have been hesitant to come out and enjoy themselves without any pressure to keep up. I think people have enjoyed this option...I know I have. :-) Next time we will split the groups into smaller groups like the spirited riders did...that's a great idea...as well as getting a better feel for people's riding experience and planning accordingly. > > So, Tom...now do we kiss and make up or what? LMAO. Laura > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 09:57:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BDvbH06659 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6182 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 06:57:30 -0700 Date: 11 Sep 2000 06:57:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20000911135730.6181.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Sep 2000 13:57:30 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Sep 2000 06:57:30 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jzell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: zellto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! You should've made him ride bitch Somehow I don't think that my 110 lbs. would be able to balance Tom's weight...but it would have been funny to see all of the looks we would have gotten along the way... Anyways...Tom was having too much fun with the power of the GS! I *know* he wouldn't have wanted to miss out on the opportunity to drive my fine machine. LMAO. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 10:08:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BE8SH06826 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA11999 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:08:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA11995 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:08:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22373; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000911100755.00a0f520@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:10:04 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! Cc: zellto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000911135730.6181.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" He actually did say you had a nice bike, that it had more power than he expected! : ) I rode Tom "bitch" once and it balanced ok 'till I had to stop! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 06:57 AM 9/11/00 -0700, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >You should've made him ride bitch > >Somehow I don't think that my 110 lbs. would be able to balance Tom's >weight...but it would have been funny to see all of the looks we would have >gotten along the way... > >Anyways...Tom was having too much fun with the power of the GS! I *know* he >wouldn't have wanted to miss out on the opportunity to drive my fine >machine. LMAO. > >LAG > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 10:46:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchng-fairfax.pec.com (exchng-fairfax.pec.com [204.254.216.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BEktH07448 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exchng-fairfax.pec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: <5023FFCA43D8D311A8360008C7F450FD41B7B5@exchng-fairfax.pec.com> From: RMeyer To: RMeyer , "'Steve Meyer (E-mail)'" , "'Steve Meyer (E-mail 2)'" , "'Brenda Meyer (E-mail)'" , "'Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail)'" , "'Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail)'" , "'Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail 2)'" , "'Mike Brunner (E-mail)'" Cc: "'st1100@XXXXXX'" Subject: Virus hoax Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:49:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C01BFF.79A00B10" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01BFF.79A00B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My apologies to all. The virus warning came from my LAN admin, so I assumed it was valid. I should know better by now. After all, I don't trust them on anything else. Again, sorry for the screw-up. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: RMeyer > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:29 AM > To: Steve Meyer (E-mail); Steve Meyer (E-mail 2); Brenda Meyer (E-mail); > Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail); Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail); Jim & Dung > Brunner (E-mail 2); Mike Brunner (E-mail) > Cc: 'st1100@XXXXXX' > Subject: FW: ********** VIRUS WARNING ********** > Importance: High > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01BFF.79A00B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Virus hoax

My apologies to all.  = The virus warning came from my LAN admin, so I assumed it was = valid.  I should know better by now.  After all, I don't = trust them on anything else.

Again, sorry for the = screw-up.

Bob

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   RMeyer
    Sent:   Monday, September 11, 2000 8:29 AM
    To:     Steve Meyer (E-mail); Steve Meyer (E-mail 2); Brenda = Meyer (E-mail); Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail); Jim & Dung = Brunner (E-mail); Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail 2); Mike Brunner = (E-mail)

    Cc:     'st1100@XXXXXX'
    Subject:       = FW: **********  VIRUS = WARNING  **********
    Importance:     High

------_=_NextPart_001_01C01BFF.79A00B10-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 10:56:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BEu4H07540 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjget27114 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:56:03 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjget01965 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:54:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:54:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Gran Turismo Racing Leage (non-moto) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sorry for the off topic post, but I think there is enough of you out there who might be interested in this that I'm going to go ahead and post it. I am looking at forming a 'racing league' of sorts for the Sony Playstation game Gran Turismo 2. Basically, it will be played in head-to-head races, in an elimination style set up. We're still deciding on classes and arangements, and we need to find out if there are enough people interested to make this viable. There will be modest fees that will go mostly to cash prizes and the rest towards organizational costs. For those of you who want to feel the excitement of competition, (in the middle of the winter), and want to do it cheaply, this is the way to go! Just bring your favorite controller and your savegame card. Some local establishments have indicated they would be interested in hosting the events, so all we need is the people. Email me privately if you are interested, and tell your friends! I think this could be a lot of fun! "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 11:14:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BFE0H07873 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0Q00I9NAAGEJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:13:37 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:13:27 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Virus hoax To: "'RMeyer'" , "'Steve Meyer (E-mail)'" , "'Steve Meyer (E-mail 2)'" , "'Brenda Meyer (E-mail)'" , "'Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail)'" , "'Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail)'" , "'Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail 2)'" , "'Mike Brunner (E-mail)'" Cc: "'st1100@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF56@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C01C02.DBCAFEC0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01C02.DBCAFEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, Pass the following info along to your syadmins. It's pretty pathetic that they are spamming their own users with this crap, anyone getting paid to do IT work should know better... In the future please check the hoax database before sending these things out, you can check: http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/HoaxBustersHome.html http://ciac.llnl.gov/ Finally, if you think that the virus warning may be legit please check: http://www.mcafeeb2b.com/avert/default.asp -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: RMeyer [mailto:RMeyer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:49 AM To: RMeyer; 'Steve Meyer (E-mail)'; 'Steve Meyer (E-mail 2)'; 'Brenda Meyer (E-mail)'; 'Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail)'; 'Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail)'; 'Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail 2)'; 'Mike Brunner (E-mail)' Cc: 'st1100@XXXXXX' Subject: Virus hoax My apologies to all. The virus warning came from my LAN admin, so I assumed it was valid. I should know better by now. After all, I don't trust them on anything else. Again, sorry for the screw-up. Bob -----Original Message----- From: RMeyer Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:29 AM To: Steve Meyer (E-mail); Steve Meyer (E-mail 2); Brenda Meyer (E-mail); Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail); Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail); Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail 2); Mike Brunner (E-mail) Cc: 'st1100@XXXXXX' Subject: FW: ********** VIRUS WARNING ********** Importance: High ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01C02.DBCAFEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Virus hoax

Bob,

Pass the following info along to your syadmins.  It's pretty pathetic that they are spamming their own users with this crap, anyone getting paid to do IT work should know better...

In the future please check the hoax database before sending these things out, you can check:

http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/HoaxBustersHome.html

http://ciac.llnl.gov/

Finally, if you think that the virus warning may be legit please check:

http://www.mcafeeb2b.com/avert/default.asp

-Calvin

-----Original Message-----
From: RMeyer [mailto:RMeyer@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:49 AM
To: RMeyer; 'Steve Meyer (E-mail)'; 'Steve Meyer (E-mail 2)'; 'Brenda Meyer (E-mail)'; 'Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail)'; 'Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail)'; 'Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail 2)'; 'Mike Brunner (E-mail)'
Cc: 'st1100@XXXXXX'
Subject: Virus hoax

My apologies to all.  The virus warning came from my LAN admin, so I assumed it was valid.  I should know better by now.  After all, I don't trust them on anything else.

Again, sorry for the screw-up.

Bob

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   RMeyer
    Sent:   Monday, September 11, 2000 8:29 AM
    To:     Steve Meyer (E-mail); Steve Meyer (E-mail 2); Brenda Meyer (E-mail); Dc-Cycles@Dc-Cycles. Org (E-mail); Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail); Jim & Dung Brunner (E-mail 2); Mike Brunner (E-mail)

    Cc:     'st1100@XXXXXX'
    Subject:        FW: **********  VIRUS WARNING  **********
    Importance:     High

------_=_NextPart_001_01C01C02.DBCAFEC0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 13:35:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BHZWH10367 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id NAA10454 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/31/00 In-Reply-To: <200008312300.e7VN0LT00409@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII actually when I got my license two years ago the little handbook they give you in MD states that supervision is either, someone on the bike with you, someone following you on another bike, or someone in a car. in each case the person "supervising" has to have a MC license and held it for three years. they may have changed it since then though. FYI, in case anybody cares. I went with a friend to the MD MVA to help him test for his motorcycle license. He had owned a bike for at least three years and figured it was about time he got around to getting a bike license. Anyway, the friendly LEO carded me to make sure I had a valid bike license! What a jerk, nothing better to do but stand around and watch the MVA parking lot and card people coming inside! Lisa Goddard Allegiance Telecom Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 13:41:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BHfSH10401 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23314 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 10:41:21 -0700 Date: 11 Sep 2000 10:41:21 -0700 Message-ID: <20000911174121.23313.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Sep 2000 17:41:21 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Sep 2000 10:41:21 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Relaxed Ride 3--mark your calendars Once again a lot of people have requested another Relaxed Ride! So, mark your calendars for October 7. Relaxed Ride 3. Once again we will do two groups, spirited and relaxed. This time we will break up the groups so there are no more than ten people to each one... Therefore, I will need a few volunteers to help lead for each group! Chuck and I are working the details out, so more to come, but figured I'd give everyone a head's up now. And, TG, I am extending you a *personal* invitation to ride in my group. :-) (no sarcasm intended) Also, if anyone has any ideas on how to make this ride better, please let me know. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 15:15:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BJExH12219 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:14:51 -0700 Received: from 63.23.3.172 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:14:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.23.3.172] From: "garcia oliver" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: monte@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen NX250, part-3 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:14:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2000 19:14:51.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F191540:01C01C24] Summary of previous 2 emails for those who don't know about y2k solution, i.e., 1972 header info: bike stolen, bike found. Unfortunately, there's a fair amount of damage, so I'm looking for a crashed/parts NX250 (it's a 1988 Honda enduro, btw). The individual parts, should you happen to have any of them for sale, include: left handlebar switch, ignition switch, CDI box, right mirror, rear turn signals, battery, speedo/tach/instrument cluster, probably the wiring harness... Feel free to pass this on. Thanks. --garcia "Forget world peace---visualize using your turn signals." _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 15:43:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BJhGH12708 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000911194309.13994.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.202] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:09 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > So, Tom...now do we kiss and make up or what? LMAO. only if you don't mind the herpes....oh, could we bring mike t. into this as well? ;) i really do hope we could get along better in the future.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 16:01:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BK1SH13027 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11855 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 13:00:50 -0700 Date: 11 Sep 2000 13:00:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20000911200050.11854.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Sep 2000 20:00:50 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Sep 2000 13:00:50 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Relaxed ride full report > > only if you don't mind the herpes.... I'm not even touching that comment... oh, could we bring > mike t. into this as well? ;) nope. I'm not that type of girl... > > i really do hope we could get along better in the > future.... Absolutely...I haven't gotten to argue with anyone in the past three years...so that was kind of fun. I'm always up for a good scrap. Just kidding. I will say, though, I can go head to head with the best of 'em. smiles...peace...love...joy and all of that other bullshit. Laura > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 16:04:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BK4YH13042 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11910 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 13:04:28 -0700 Date: 11 Sep 2000 13:04:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20000911200428.11909.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Sep 2000 20:04:28 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Sep 2000 13:04:28 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: after careful reconsideration... For RR3, we won't be doing a spirited group. Just a relaxed group. Chuck and I talked it over and felt it was probably better not to mix the two. We tried it and it worked fine, but I designed these rides for hesitant riders who want to get out and learn from experience riders in a "relaxed" pace. I really encourage all of you spirited riders to come out on the relaxed ride. Although the pace isn't something that you typically do, us slower riders really appreciate learning from all of you. By doing it this way, we'll have a mix of experienced riders and newer riders and we can split up our group more effectively for more safety and better learning. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 16:26:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BKQnH13362 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15358 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 13:26:38 -0700 Date: 11 Sep 2000 13:26:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20000911202638.15357.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Sep 2000 20:26:38 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Sep 2000 13:26:38 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: zellto@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Thanks Laura and Sean! >Laura, a special "thank you" goes out to you for offering up your GS500 as a means of getting to >Centreville in order to meet Jeannette to get the rescue vehicle No problem. anything for you and J! :-) >The GS did fine though... > hauled both of us (and that's saying a lot when you consider my 220lb w/gear > frame) without a hitch she does well for her size. >Thank you for letting ME be the driver Are you saying that because you thought i'd scare you if I drove? LMAO...just kidding..anyways...No problem. I forgot about how much I loved riding bitch every once in a while. Key words...every once in a while... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 17:21:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BLL2H14277 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-138-64.s64.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.138.64] helo=bull) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Yb0d-0000N4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: <008f01c01c36$173058b0$408aa4d8@bull> Reply-To: "Gerald Hubbard" From: "Gerald Hubbard" To: Subject: Found - Italian Party Schedule Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:20:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C01C14.8F93B6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C01C14.8F93B6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Found this on the Moto Europa Site First Ever Mid-Atlantic Italian Motorcycle Festival On October 1, 2000 there will be an Italian MotoFest in Shepherdstown, = West Virginia. Shepherdstown is about 90 Minutes from Washington, DC. = The Fest will be held at the Morgans Grove Park just outside of = Shepherdstown. Bike Show, Meet & Greet, New Bikes and Vendors along with = Vintage Italian Bikes! I'll have my Morini 3.5 and a new found friend = will also have his Morini 500. Along with our Guzzi's. Ducati, Laverda, = Aprillia, Agusta all on display. We expect many different brands of = Italian manufacture to participate. Anything Italian with two wheels is = invited! Any brand is allowed entrance but only Italian bikes may be = entered into show and special parking area. There will be great Italian = food available and there are wonderful restaurants in Shepherdstown. = Just the ride to the event with beautiful scenery and winding roads will = make the trip worthwhile. This is the first annual fund raising = motoevent to benefit the Shepherdstown Men's Club (open to women also) = and is sponsored by the Jefferson County, WV Parks and Recreation. The = Men's Club owns the park and allows the local youth soccer leagues and = other civic sports and charity fund raisers to use this wonderful park. Admission $10 Bike Show Participation $5 Vendors invited For more information: Bill Freeman 304.267.7151, swanpondwv@XXXXXX=20 ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C01C14.8F93B6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Found this on the Moto Europa = Site

 

First Ever Mid-Atlantic = Italian=20 Motorcycle Festival

On = October=20 1, 2000 there will be an Italian MotoFest in Shepherdstown, = West=20 Virginia. Shepherdstown is about 90 Minutes from = Washington,=20 DC. The Fest will be held at the Morgans Grove Park just outside of=20 Shepherdstown. Bike Show, Meet & Greet, New Bikes and Vendors along = with=20 Vintage Italian Bikes!  I'll have my Morini 3.5 and a new found = friend will=20 also have his Morini 500.  Along with our Guzzi's. Ducati, Laverda, = Aprillia, Agusta all on display. We expect many different brands of = Italian=20 manufacture to participate. Anything Italian with two wheels is invited! = Any=20 brand is allowed entrance but only Italian bikes may be entered into = show and=20 special parking area. There will be great Italian food available and = there are=20 wonderful restaurants in Shepherdstown. Just the ride to the event with=20 beautiful scenery and winding roads will make the trip worthwhile. This = is the=20 first annual fund raising motoevent to benefit the Shepherdstown Men's = Club=20 (open to women also) and is sponsored by the Jefferson County, WV Parks = and=20 Recreation. The Men's Club owns the park and allows the local youth = soccer=20 leagues and other civic sports and charity fund raisers to use this = wonderful=20 park.

Admission $10
Bike Show Participation = $5
Vendors=20 invited
For more information:  Bill Freeman 304.267.7151,=20 swanpondwv@XXXXXX

------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C01C14.8F93B6C0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 17:23:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BLNDH14294 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-34.patriot.net [209.249.180.34]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8BLMwT16723; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <39BD4CFE.80755829@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:22:06 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Relaxed Ride 3--mark your calendars References: <20000911174121.23313.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oct 7??? Why sure, how about relaxed riding down to bee-eutiful downtown Camden NC - about 200 miles. Just across the VA/NC border on US 17, the scenic route thru the Great Dismal Swamp. Bring a tent or a sleeping bag `cause you probably shouldn't leave that night - not after a $5 Carolina BBQ and assisting a buncha wild boat racers in the heady task of kiulling of an entire trailer fulla brew. *hic* And you'll get to see something different - guys & gals racing small fast outboard hydros and runabouts. The kiddie class 9-14 yrs old race also, but it deetuned rigs that only hit around 45/50. Anyhoo, that's where I'll be. Kegs are cracked right after the last heat of the day - camping in pits - and you can wander the pits. Be careful of the racers will sign you up for pit crew - a *wet* job. Bill Region 4 High Point Champion 15 Super Stock Hydro - for a buncha years. Except for a few when my snotty beat me. LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Once again a lot of people have requested another Relaxed Ride! So, mark your calendars for October 7. Relaxed Ride 3. > > Once again we will do two groups, spirited and relaxed. This time we will break up the groups so there are no more than ten people to each one... > > Therefore, I will need a few volunteers to help lead for each group! > > Chuck and I are working the details out, so more to come, but figured I'd give everyone a head's up now. And, TG, I am extending you a *personal* invitation to ride in my group. :-) (no sarcasm intended) Also, if anyone has any ideas on how to make this ride better, please let me know. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 17:24:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BLO3H14326 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-34.patriot.net [209.249.180.34]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8BLNvT16903; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: <39BD4D39.80E36C99@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:23:05 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Relaxed Ride 3--mark your calendars References: <20000911174121.23313.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ..s.hould read "snotty kid" me be keyboard challanged... Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Once again a lot of people have requested another Relaxed Ride! So, mark your calendars for October 7. Relaxed Ride 3. > > Once again we will do two groups, spirited and relaxed. This time we will break up the groups so there are no more than ten people to each one... > > Therefore, I will need a few volunteers to help lead for each group! > > Chuck and I are working the details out, so more to come, but figured I'd give everyone a head's up now. And, TG, I am extending you a *personal* invitation to ride in my group. :-) (no sarcasm intended) Also, if anyone has any ideas on how to make this ride better, please let me know. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 17:38:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BLcpH14585 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22057; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:33:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Gerald Hubbard" , Subject: RE: Found - Italian Party Schedule Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:38:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C01C17.24C21AA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <008f01c01c36$173058b0$408aa4d8@bull> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C01C17.24C21AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remember also that October 1st is the day of the airing on one of the major networks (ABC I think) of the PACE Motorsports Loudoun Superbike races that took place last month. It's apparently the first time one of the major networks has aired a motorcycle race in something like 20 years. Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Hubbard [mailto:ghub@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 2:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Found - Italian Party Schedule Found this on the Moto Europa Site First Ever Mid-Atlantic Italian Motorcycle Festival On October 1, 2000 there will be an Italian MotoFest in Shepherdstown, West Virginia. Shepherdstown is about 90 Minutes from Washington, DC. The Fest will be held at the Morgans Grove Park just outside of Shepherdstown. Bike Show, Meet & Greet, New Bikes and Vendors along with Vintage Italian Bikes! I'll have my Morini 3.5 and a new found friend will also have his Morini 500. Along with our Guzzi's. Ducati, Laverda, Aprillia, Agusta all on display. We expect many different brands of Italian manufacture to participate. Anything Italian with two wheels is invited! Any brand is allowed entrance but only Italian bikes may be entered into show and special parking area. There will be great Italian food available and there are wonderful restaurants in Shepherdstown. Just the ride to the event with beautiful scenery and winding roads will make the trip worthwhile. This is the first annual fund raising motoevent to benefit the Shepherdstown Men's Club (open to women also) and is sponsored by the Jefferson County, WV Parks and Recreation. The Men's Club owns the park and allows the local youth soccer leagues and other civic sports and charity fund raisers to use this wonderful park. Admission $10 Bike Show Participation $5 Vendors invited For more information: Bill Freeman 304.267.7151, swanpondwv@XXXXXX ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C01C17.24C21AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Remember also that October 1st is the day of the airing on one = of the=20 major networks (ABC I think) of the PACE Motorsports Loudoun Superbike = races=20 that took place last month. It's apparently the first time one of the = major=20 networks has aired a motorcycle race in something like 20=20 years.
 
Cheers,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Hubbard=20 [mailto:ghub@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 = 2:20=20 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Found - = Italian=20 Party Schedule

Found this on the Moto Europa = Site

 

First Ever = Mid-Atlantic Italian=20 Motorcycle Festival

On = October=20 1, 2000 there will be an Italian MotoFest in Shepherdstown,=20 West Virginia. Shepherdstown is about 90 = Minutes from=20 Washington, DC. The Fest will be held at the Morgans Grove Park just = outside=20 of Shepherdstown. Bike Show, Meet & Greet, New Bikes and Vendors = along=20 with Vintage Italian Bikes!  I'll have my Morini 3.5 and a new = found=20 friend will also have his Morini 500.  Along with our Guzzi's. = Ducati,=20 Laverda, Aprillia, Agusta all on display. We expect many different = brands of=20 Italian manufacture to participate. Anything Italian with two wheels = is=20 invited! Any brand is allowed entrance but only Italian bikes may be = entered=20 into show and special parking area. There will be great Italian food = available=20 and there are wonderful restaurants in Shepherdstown. Just the ride to = the=20 event with beautiful scenery and winding roads will make the trip = worthwhile.=20 This is the first annual fund raising motoevent to benefit the = Shepherdstown=20 Men's Club (open to women also) and is sponsored by the Jefferson = County, WV=20 Parks and Recreation. The Men's Club owns the park and allows the = local youth=20 soccer leagues and other civic sports and charity fund raisers to use = this=20 wonderful park.

Admission $10
Bike Show Participation = $5
Vendors=20 invited
For more information:  Bill Freeman 304.267.7151,=20 swanpondwv@XXXXXX

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C01C17.24C21AA0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 17:50:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BLoRH14857 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-138-134.s134.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.138.134] helo=l4rite) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13YbT6-0005l8-00; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:50:24 -0400 Message-ID: <00f001c01c3a$62f9e8c0$7585a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Stolen NX250, part-3 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:51:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 The individual parts, should you happen to have any of them for sale, include: left handlebar switch, ignition switch, CDI box, right mirror, rear turn signals, battery, speedo/tach/instrument cluster, probably the wiring harness... -garcia Garcia....I have the same bike and got some parts from a kid off the net...i'll try to find his email address and see if he has anything you need....I have already taken the turn signals from him so they are out.... I had to buy a Regulator/Rectifier for my NX for $169 OEM...parts are tuff to come by here in the states...but the bikes are still sold everywhere else....it goes by the name of "Mini Dominator" for the 250 and Dominator for the 650 in Europe..so you might be able to check over there also.....good luck and i'll check around for you.....later Les...96Kat750, 89KLR650 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 17:56:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8BLuHH14870 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id v.c6.a84b4be (4199) for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:55:59 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:55:58 EDT Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: << A side note about 211: I recently thought ( this morning ) that I was a reasonably skilled rider, until a Kawasaki Concours passed me on the outside going up 211 and was gone out of sight..sigh. Maybe I should buy a Gold Wing or a cruiser. >> Hey Hork...you gonna let him know about underestimating a Connie? LOL Seriously, I'd also like to thank Laura, Chuck, and Sean for setting up the ride. It was great to put faces to e-mails and meeting most of the others. What a great turnout and so many nice people! Sorry about passing ya George... ;) I just have a few years of practice wrestling big, heavy, powerful bikes around a racetrack...well, the Connie is big and heavy... :) I was also impressed with everyone who helped the rider who crashed on 211. I was on my way back down the hill and they already had the bike up and almost rideable. That was very cool for the group to all wait and make sure he got going again. Again it was great to meet everyone and I hope we all get to do it again soon! (but no more gravel roads, OK?) :) Steve Broadstreet '90 Concours Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 18:54:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8BMsmH15771 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Sep 11 15:54:29 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:54:29 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders go up and down 211? After our group ride, I just had to go out there and check out the famed 211. I rode across the Skyline section, which I presume you guys mean, up and over and down the mountain 3 times. I thought it lots of fun but my speed was 45-55mph. I tried it once cutting up the corners using both lanes, and the other two times just using my own lane. I thought going west was easier than heading east since the visibility around corners seemed better. Technically speaking the corners on US -50 and Rt 42 out west in WV and western MD are easier and have very good visibility and I was consistantly above 55 mph indicated. But they are just as much fun. At some point I can definately see dragging a knee/peg on 211 after I run the turns another dozen times. Gotta luv this nighthawk. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 20:40:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8C0eUH17531 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 7807 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 17:40:21 -0700 Received: from PPPa80-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.237) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 17:40:21 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 00:40:21 GMT Message-ID: <001201c01c51$ffa66ec0$ed7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:40:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders go up and down 211? anxiously awaiting everyone's response to this question.... ;-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 20:49:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8C0nkH17700 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18993 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:49:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000911204744.00952a10@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:49:36 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief In-Reply-To: <001201c01c51$ffa66ec0$ed7c3004@oemcomputer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:40 PM 9/11/2000 , Laura Granato wrote: > > ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders go up and down >211? > >anxiously awaiting everyone's response to this question.... ;-) Ummm...the speed limit is 55 right? We never speed.... Actually, I have a hard time getting much over 65 on the mountain stretch of 211. And that is in the straightest of straights ;-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 21:06:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8C16pH18039 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8C16lt16497 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:06:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Matthew Patton wrote: > ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders go up and > down 211? After our group ride, I just had to go out there and check > out the famed 211. I have no idea just how fast I go through the corners on 211 at. I'm unwilling to take such a fast road at full speed. At full clip you'd be going at or over the speed limit on every corner, up and down. To me, that makes 211 a poor choice as a safe road for street riding. 211 has at least two other bad things going for it: it's popular so more and more bikes are going fast there, mixing it up with the tourists in their cars/campers and all the people crashing out there (including quite a long list from dc-cycles) makes it a cop magnet. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 21:14:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8C1EfH18135 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.58.827001 (5712) for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:14:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:14:23 EDT From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <58.827001.26eedd70@aol.com> >> ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' >> riders go up and down 211? > Ummm...the speed limit is 55 right? We never > speed.... > Actually, I have a hard time getting much over 65 on > the mountain stretch of 211. And that is in the > straightest of straights ;-) Ummm.... No Comment. :) (ok, so MAYBE I saw 80 or so indicated on the speedo a couple times... ) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 22:17:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8C2HtH19208 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.33.a08488f (6153) for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:17:36 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <33.a08488f.26eeec40@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:17:36 EDT Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders go up and down 211? anxiously awaiting everyone's response to this question.... ;-) >> You mean we have to look at the speedo while riding 211, too? Too much to do!! :) If you want I'll put the backrest on and I'll give you a ride up and down 211 and you can watch the speedo... Steve Broadstreet (Who is way to busy on 211 to look at my speedo) Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 22:29:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8C2TfH19405 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10041 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 19:29:33 -0700 Received: from PPPa57-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.214) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 19:29:33 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 02:29:33 GMT Message-ID: <003201c01c61$40c176c0$d67c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <58.827001.26eedd70@aol.com> Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:41:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > (ok, so MAYBE I saw 80 or so indicated on the speedo a couple times... ) Sad thing is, that was probably when Sally and I were going UP 211 at about 45 mph and you guys were coming down it, you leading, leaned over in a turn, waving.... Ahhh. someday Laura > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 22:32:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8C2WHH19489 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-23.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.87]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26610; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BDC0BC.D87D27F4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:35:56 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, I dunno. I'm too damn busy paying attention and doing everything I'm supposed to be doing (hopefully somewhat successfully) to negotiate all the turns at whatever speed whilst keeping the rubber glued to the road. I think the only time I've ever taken my eyes off the road to look at my speedo was maybe the first couple of turns at the bottom of the mountain (i.e., Thornton Gap). Maybe 70-75mph (and I KNOW I'm not going that fast after those initial turns!). Then again, maybe not. If the speed limit is only 55mph, I would NEVER speed! %^) In fact, I know I'm not speeding because there are always at least some m/c's that seem to be going faster than me! %^) Chuck Matthew Patton wrote : > > ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders go up and down 211? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 22:44:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8C2ifH19699 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5402 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 19:44:33 -0700 Received: from PPPa64-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.221) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 19:44:33 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 02:44:33 GMT Message-ID: <001101c01c63$591a26c0$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Cc: References: <48.ac1d1a3.26eeed63@aol.com> Subject: Re: after careful reconsideration... Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:44:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Steve had a good question, and figured I'd share the answer with all...Hope you don't mind, Steve. I'm sure this will start an interesting conversation...and we certainly haven't had any of *those* this week. ;-) > << By doing it this way, we'll have a mix of experienced riders and newer > riders and we can split up our group more effectively for more safety and > better learning. >> > > Hey Laura, What will the new riders learn from the experienced ones if all > are riding in a group? Just curious...and I'll lead a group if ya want. perfectly good question. I can speak from my experience only. I believe that every beginner rider learns a lot from more experienced riders. Every once in a while I go out with a small group of the guys who usually ride the fast rides...they are well aware of where I am in my riding skills so they take it easy on me, but they definitely pick the pace up a little bit. Sometimes I think us beginner riders tend to not push themselves even the littlest bit because we aren't really sure what our bikes are capable of yet, and they *are* more capable then we think. For instance, went riding with Larry and Steve one weekend...both great riders, but respected that I am a beginner. I was at the back, and kept up as best I could, and they definitely kept it at an easy pace but still one that was a little faster than I'd ride by myself. The longer I rode with them, the more I realized that they could take turns, so could I. CAUTION HERE!! For beginner riders, this does NOT mean I rode out of my comfort level or ability. I still took turns way slower than they did, and I was not trying to keep pace with them--but did enter turns about 5 - 10 mph more than I usually would have and realized...whoa! This bike leans more than I thought it could and actually *can* stay on the road. Hmmm....interesting. I'm sure Larry could comment on this a little more... Anyways...by riding with more experienced riders A: having them around before the ride we learn a lot by just listening and talking to you guys B: We get to watch how you guys pick your lines, when you brake, what entry speed you're taking, etc. C: It's just fun to know watching you all that one day, with a lot more experience, we can ride like that too ;-) Hope that answers your questions...I'm sure I forgot plenty, but this was long enough. So, there's my long two cents worth.... > Laura > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 22:47:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8C2lZH19795 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6545 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 19:47:28 -0700 Received: from PPPa64-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.221) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 19:47:28 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 02:47:28 GMT Message-ID: <001a01c01c63$c1aaa520$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Charles V. Pena" , Cc: References: <39BDC0BC.D87D27F4@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:47:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Then again, maybe not. If > the speed limit is only 55mph, I would NEVER speed! %^) Seems like we may have some fibbers on the list...uh hum...Mike, Chuck...LMAO! :-) So then, if you guys aren't speeding, then what *exactly* does a "spirited ride" mean? Anxiously awaiting responses to this one too... LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 22:55:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8C2twH19929 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.ae.a6a9aad (6153); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:55:11 EDT Subject: Re: after careful reconsideration... To: lgranato@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << I was at the back, and kept up as best I could, and they definitely kept it at an easy pace but still one that was a little faster than I'd ride by myself. The longer I rode with them, the more I realized that they could take turns, so could I. >> Agreed 100%...but if you are leading and setting a "relaxed pace", when do you go any faster? I agree it is a good thing to talk to more experienced riders to see what they do...I find it rare when I can't learn something from talking to other riders. Whatever you decide about including a "spirited" ride or not I think it's great you are organizing these rides. You seem to have a talent for it! Steve Broadstreet '90 Concours Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 23:00:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8C307H20079 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22573 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2000 19:59:59 -0700 Received: from PPPa64-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.221) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 19:59:59 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 02:59:59 GMT Message-ID: <008e01c01c65$81a01300$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: after careful reconsideration... Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:59:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > << I was at the back, and kept up as best I could, and they > definitely kept it at an easy pace but still one that was a little faster > than I'd ride by myself. The longer I rode with them, the more I realized > that they could take turns, so could I. >> > > Agreed 100%...but if you are leading and setting a "relaxed pace", when do > you go any faster? Ahh, this is true. It's one bad thing for me...I don't learn too much, but I enjoy riding with everyone. The pace of the relaxed ride picked up a little bit this past time, so it seems that we're all getting a little bit better every time we get out there. :-) > Whatever you decide about including a "spirited" ride or not I think it's > great you are organizing these rides. You seem to have a talent for it! Thanks...but if people didn't show up, it wouldn't be a good ride...so we have to thank everyone who supports the rides..be it spirited or relaxed. I must say, we have an incredible group of people on this list. :-) Laura > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Sep 11 23:20:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8C3KLH20465 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000912032016.HBGI4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: <023f01c01c68$0db4c0a0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "Laura Granato" , "Charles V. Pena" , Cc: References: <39BDC0BC.D87D27F4@ix.netcom.com> <001a01c01c63$c1aaa520$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:17:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Just for fun, it'd be interesting to see one of you fast guys or girls mount up a cheap bicycle computer to gather some metrics. The cyclometer will record top speed, average speed, riding time and a whole bunch of other stuff you won't care about but you don't have to watch the speedo to get the data. A bunch of folks on the SV have done this and swear it's more accurate then their bikes speedo. On the other hand, may be you don't want to know how fast you're running. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Granato" To: "Charles V. Pena" ; Cc: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief > Then again, maybe not. If > > the speed limit is only 55mph, I would NEVER speed! %^) > > Seems like we may have some fibbers on the list...uh hum...Mike, > Chuck...LMAO! :-) So then, if you guys aren't speeding, then what > *exactly* does a "spirited ride" mean? Anxiously awaiting responses to this > one too... > > LAG > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 01:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8C57sH22069 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA27392; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f701c01c77$b7cc9d60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "James Reazor" , "Laura Granato" , "Charles V. Pena" , Cc: References: <39BDC0BC.D87D27F4@ix.netcom.com> <001a01c01c63$c1aaa520$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> <023f01c01c68$0db4c0a0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:10:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 I have one on my VFR... all I need to do is replace the battery and reprogram the wheel info into it. I'd be willing to try it out... for scientific purposes of course. ;-) I'm not one of the fastest guys on the road but I hold my own pretty well I think. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Reazor" To: "Laura Granato" ; "Charles V. Pena" ; Cc: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief > Just for fun, it'd be interesting to see one of you fast guys or girls > mount up a cheap bicycle computer to gather some metrics. The cyclometer > will record top speed, average speed, riding time and a whole bunch of other > stuff you won't care about but you don't have to watch the speedo to get the > data. A bunch of folks on the SV have done this and swear it's more accurate > then their bikes speedo. On the other hand, may be you don't want to know > how fast you're running. > > -James > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laura Granato" > To: "Charles V. Pena" ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief > > > > Then again, maybe not. If > > > the speed limit is only 55mph, I would NEVER speed! %^) > > > > Seems like we may have some fibbers on the list...uh hum...Mike, > > Chuck...LMAO! :-) So then, if you guys aren't speeding, then what > > *exactly* does a "spirited ride" mean? Anxiously awaiting responses to > this > > one too... > > > > LAG > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 06:57:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CAvSH28443 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5C82@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Brit Bike Bargain? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Former devotee has seen the V-4 light. Haggle with him at: john@XXXXXX Picture of the bike is at: http://stu.cofc.edu/~jwpennin/triumph1.jpg (Picture is without aftermarket mufflers that are on it now). I have a digital camera, so current spec shots are no problem. (e.g.. "Can you take a shot from the left side, looking close up at the engine/carb?") 1971 Triumph TR6C (single carb twin). Rebuilt (i.e. not restored, rebuilt to running state) from frame up by a local Triumph restorer (name and number available after I ask his permission). Rebuild was completed ~January this year with mostly stock parts except for longer than standard (~4 inches) forks. Ran very strong but the coils were bad and one blew (according to the Triumph guy), so one coil and it should run like a twin. The seat is pretty old and the mufflers are JC Whitney. Also, she's a bit dirty, but for a restoration fan she's perfect cause damn near everything's done. Tank is rusty, not rusted through (not leaking) and the oil leak is apparently normal (about 10 drops worth since January. Tires need to be replaced, but that's because she's been sitting the summer. Total rebuild price (mostly parts) was $2800. Price is listed at $2000. -- Jonathan Pennington | http://coastalgeology.org Site Manager | Protection and stewardship CoastalGeology.Org (CGO) | through public education. john@XXXXXX | Join CGO, make a difference. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 07:57:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CBvPH29415 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id GAA02938 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id GAA02931 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22528; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000912075801.009f9f00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:58:57 -0400 To: "James Reazor" , "Laura Granato" , "Charles V. Pena" , From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief Cc: In-Reply-To: <023f01c01c68$0db4c0a0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> References: <39BDC0BC.D87D27F4@XXXXXX> <001a01c01c63$c1aaa520$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have that on my bike, but I don't think I'd be the one to watch for top speeds on 211. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 11:17 PM 9/11/00 -0400, James Reazor wrote: > Just for fun, it'd be interesting to see one of you fast guys or girls >mount up a cheap bicycle computer to gather some metrics. The cyclometer >will record top speed, average speed, riding time and a whole bunch of other >stuff you won't care about but you don't have to watch the speedo to get the >data. A bunch of folks on the SV have done this and swear it's more accurate >then their bikes speedo. On the other hand, may be you don't want to know >how fast you're running. > >-James > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 08:35:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CCZkH00113 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA68774 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:23:49 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with SMTP id IAA63014 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:35:38 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256958.00452A53 ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:35:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256958.00452960.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:35:23 -0400 Subject: Please? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Can we please turn off the HTML? It probably only takes a second. And can we please snip out the unnecessary stuff when we reply? Thanks, Rich From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 08:41:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CCfsH00173 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8CCfnt01336 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:41:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Please? In-Reply-To: <85256958.00452960.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Can we please turn off the HTML? It probably only takes a second. This is, of course, a good idea. However, the people who have HTML turned on are almost certainly unaware of it and have no idea what you're talking about anyway. It's probably necessary to directly let these people know that there's a problem. I used to have a page bookmarked that described how to do this for the popular mail packages. > And can we please snip out the unnecessary stuff when we reply? Amen! Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 08:43:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CChsH00253 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000912124347.16472.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.195] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:43:47 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Patton wrote: > ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders > go up and down 211? the best way to run 211 is like we did it on saturday.... leader sets the 'pace' at say 60mph. there is no hard acceleration out of the turns and onto the straights; the group simply rolls on the throttle through each turn, then settles back to 60mph for the next one. only the two uphill decreasing radius right handers need to be taken with a lower entrance speed. this method also reduces the visibility of the group as a police target.....there ain't no 90mph run, followed by a decel to 65 (or however fast your 'pace' is) for the next corner. it's also a hell of a lot more fun to run in this type of pack than trying to gag the damn thing to keep up with the guy in front of you. smooth is the name of the game. that being said, 211 can and is constantly being run at a much higher clip.....ahem, collin.....but with all the attention the police have been giving it and all of the accidents, it just isn't worth it. you really have to strive to avoid the temptation out there these days. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 08:52:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CCq8H00421 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B89CD@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Tom Gimer'" , pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Today in brief Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:40:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Matthew/Tom, Tom, good post but I would not recommend a set speed of 60MPH to anyone who isn't too experienced on that road. Matthew...set your own pace and as you get better, your speed and smoothness through those corners will improve. Keep it cool in the straights to maintain a copesetic relationship with the State Police. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:44 AM > To: pattonme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief > > --- Matthew Patton wrote: > > ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders > > go up and down 211? > > the best way to run 211 is like we did it on saturday.... > leader sets the 'pace' at say 60mph. there is no hard > acceleration out of the turns and onto the straights; the > group simply rolls on the throttle through each turn, then > settles back to 60mph for the next one. only the two > uphill decreasing radius right handers need to be taken > with a lower entrance speed. this method also reduces the > visibility of the group as a police target.....there ain't > no 90mph run, followed by a decel to 65 (or however fast > your 'pace' is) for the next corner. it's also a hell of a > lot more fun to run in this type of pack than trying to gag > the damn thing to keep up with the guy in front of you. > smooth is the name of the game. > > that being said, 211 can and is constantly being run at a > much higher clip.....ahem, collin.....but with all the > attention the police have been giving it and all of the > accidents, it just isn't worth it. you really have to > strive to avoid the temptation out there these days. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:01:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CD1VH00591 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id JAA30118; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:01:24 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:04:41 -0400 Message-ID: <01C01C98.7C8324B0.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" Cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Ride Today in brief Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:04:40 -0400 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 62 TEXT Now Mark, everyone knows that if your not going 85 or better over the mountain, your just not having any fun. :) Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:41 AM, Mark Kitchell [SMTP:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] wrote: > Matthew/Tom, > > Tom, good post but I would not recommend a set speed of 60MPH to anyone who > isn't too experienced on that road. Matthew...set your own pace and as you > get better, your speed and smoothness through those corners will improve. > Keep it cool in the straights to maintain a copesetic relationship with the > State Police. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:44 AM > > To: pattonme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief > > > > --- Matthew Patton wrote: > > > ok, I have to ask. Just how fast do you 'sprited' riders > > > go up and down 211? > > > > the best way to run 211 is like we did it on saturday.... > > leader sets the 'pace' at say 60mph. there is no hard > > acceleration out of the turns and onto the straights; the > > group simply rolls on the throttle through each turn, then > > settles back to 60mph for the next one. only the two > > uphill decreasing radius right handers need to be taken > > with a lower entrance speed. this method also reduces the > > visibility of the group as a police target.....there ain't > > no 90mph run, followed by a decel to 65 (or however fast > > your 'pace' is) for the next corner. it's also a hell of a > > lot more fun to run in this type of pack than trying to gag > > the damn thing to keep up with the guy in front of you. > > smooth is the name of the game. > > > > that being said, 211 can and is constantly being run at a > > much higher clip.....ahem, collin.....but with all the > > attention the police have been giving it and all of the > > accidents, it just isn't worth it. you really have to > > strive to avoid the temptation out there these days. > > > > > > -- > > tg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:10:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CDAIH00694 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA44360 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:45:58 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with SMTP id JAA38434 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:10:07 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256958.0048544F ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:10:01 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256958.004850F8.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:09:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Please? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Doug wrote... >>> Am I one of the HTML offenders? I thought I had. >Can we please turn off the HTML? <<< (see? this is how we snip.) So I got to thinking. Maybe they don't *know* they are killing the digest people with HTML. So, without comment, here is a list of the current HTMLers from the most current digest: "Thomas_Zell" "James Reazor" "Gerald Hubbard" "Christopher Weaver" (anti-snippers know who they are) Thanks, Rich From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:10:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CDAlH00704 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24187; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Kirk Roy" , Subject: RE: Please? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:10:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Or, like me, you have HTML turned off and for some reason Outlook decides to use it anyway. Freakin' Microsuck at work again. Sorry for my previous HTML post. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] This is, of course, a good idea. However, the people who have HTML turned on are almost certainly unaware of it and have no idea what you're talking about anyway. [SNIP :^)] From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:26:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CDQOH00952 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0R0018WZZS8Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:27 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:15 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Track day reminder... To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF69@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a required safety briefing at the Herndon Power Sports tonight starting at 7pm. (They said about 2 hours) If you miss tonight, they'll have another on Thurday. If you want to attend but haven't signed up yet (and paid) I hear you can show up tonight and get in, but I'd call first. Hope this helps, -Calvin From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:26:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CDQvH00962 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:21 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B89D1@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Troutman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ride Today in brief Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:15:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Crossing over the mountain, and under the Sky Line Drive is one.... mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:22 AM > To: Mark Kitchell > Subject: RE: Ride Today in brief > > What straights?!?! > > At 08:40 AM 9/12/00 , you wrote: > >Tom, good post but I would not recommend a set speed of 60MPH to anyone > who > >isn't too experienced on that road. Matthew...set your own pace and as > you > >get better, your speed and smoothness through those corners will improve. > >Keep it cool in the straights to maintain a copesetic relationship with > the > >State Police. > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:28:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CDSZH01036 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Sep 12 06:28:16 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:28:16 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> At some point I can definately see dragging a knee/peg on 211 after I run the turns another dozen times. > >Dragging _knees_ on 211 ??? Man, you should really go to a track day. I ride a Nighthawk. Not a sport bike and I can easily drag a peg just practicing figure 8's at 20mph in a parking lot. Same with the knee. Actually I kissed one on a left, uphill sweeper and caught me by surprise. So as crazy as it may seem, going 50mph in a corner really is peg draggin' speed for me depending on bank of the road. >know what/who is behind this curve. if you are with a knee to the >ground, and there is a ugly dip in roud you do not know, or some >spilled fluid, or a slow cager who just decided to take a picture - >prepare to meet the maker. Sure, the hazards are WAY higher on Skyline drive as those curves really are blind. On 211 visibility is a lot better and the extra lanes give one an escape route. I only dove in deep when I could see around enough to know it was safe. You might have noticed that I did the mountain 3 times. The first time I took it easy to get a look see of the land. I don't intend to do anything wild even after I've run the road a good dozen more times. I know my suspension and metzler's have much more to give. But the bottom line is that I like my bike and myself too much to push too hard. Can I keep up with the 'fast' guys? Heck no. I don't intend to. I'm simply practicing 211 type curves so I am comfortable with them and when I'm faced with a need to do them, I don't panic and lock it up. Some day I will show up at a track day with my NH. And will expect to get royally spanked. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:34:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CDYkH01145 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26940 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:34:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000912093409.00a233e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:34:39 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Ride Today in brief In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B89D1@qsi-tysons.qualitys trategies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:15 AM 9/12/00 , Mark Kitchell wrote: >Crossing over the mountain, and under the Sky Line Drive is one.... The concepts of sarcasm and private email are lost on Mr. Kitchell. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:47:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CDl8H01384 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-113.patriot.net [209.249.180.113]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8CDl2T09455; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:47:02 -0400 Message-ID: <39BE33A1.EBF182CF@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:46:09 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Patton wrote: > >know what/who is behind this curve. if you are with a knee to the > >ground, and there is a ugly dip in roud you do not know, or some > >spilled fluid, or a slow cager who just decided to take a picture - > >prepare to meet the maker. > > Sure, the hazards are WAY higher on Skyline drive as those curves really are blind. Yes indeed, and one doesn't have to be B---ls to the wall to get surprised on Skyline Drive. I was doing the easy tour bit and rounded a curve - YIKES! No, not a Bambi, she was on the other side of the road happily munching on leaves. But a touristo had pulled her car half off the road and was standing in the middle of the road, bent over taking a picture of Bambi. Squeeze brakes!!! I hauled the perfumed piggette Hawg to a stop less than four feet from touristos rather shapely butt. (nice jean wedgy!) She looks over her shoulder and giggles "oops, excuse me." Sheesh.... Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:49:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CDnZH01409 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27039 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:49:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000912094642.00d35810@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:49:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Deals Gap Shooting? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed On the VFR list people are talking about a shooting at Deal's Gap recently. Here is a first hand account: http://members.home.com/wstrong/text/bangbang.htm. I have a link to the news story, but the site may have pulled the story - it is 404. http://www.thedailytimes.com/topofnews/sht91100.html In brief, some sporbikers tried to pass 5 trucks with bass boats, and one truck got pissed and tailgated them. They went and got a gun, stopped the convoy and had words. The truck tried to escape and kocked a biker off the road while on his bike. Said biker emptied his clip into the truck. Trucker alive, biker in jail. Bad press. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 09:59:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CDxsH01573 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000912135947.17435.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.211] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:59:47 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Patton wrote: > >> At some point I can definately see dragging a knee/peg > on 211 after I run the turns another dozen times. > > > >Dragging _knees_ on 211 ??? Man, you should really go to > a track day. > > I ride a Nighthawk. Not a sport bike and I can easily > drag a peg just practicing figure 8's at 20mph in a > parking lot. Same with the knee. Actually I kissed one on > a left, uphill sweeper and caught me by surprise. So as > crazy as it may seem, going 50mph in a corner really is > peg draggin' speed for me depending on bank of the road. i've touched the left knee down _accidentally_ twice on 211....it definitely ain't something i enjoyed or will be attempting to repeat. that's what having no peg feelers gets you, i guess..... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 10:04:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CE4SH01672 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.f3.29bfc5e (3976) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:04:20 EDT Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Did you have knee sliders on? -SJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 10:20:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CEKqH01993 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.175]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22821 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BE6765.929BCDA2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:27:01 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief References: <4.2.0.58.20000912093409.00a233e0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This wouldn't be the first time! And I'm sure it won't be the last! %^) I just love having an opportunity to dis Mark! Troutman wrote: > > At 09:15 AM 9/12/00 , Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Crossing over the mountain, and under the Sky Line Drive is one.... > > The concepts of sarcasm and private email are lost on Mr. Kitchell. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 10:23:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CEN0H02008 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000912142251.20776.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.211] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:22:51 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:22:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii nope....don't own 'em i have vanson leather pants without a patch for sliders --- Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Did you have knee sliders on? > > -SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 10:23:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CEN6H02018 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id KAA26116 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:23:03 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:26:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01C01CA3.E451D8B0.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Ride Today in brief Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:26:19 -0400 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 16 TEXT Knee sliders? KNEE SLIDERS!? We don't need NO stinkin knee sliders...... Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:04 AM, Eternity23@XXXXXX [SMTP:Eternity23@XXXXXX] wrote: > Did you have knee sliders on? > > -SJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 10:27:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CEREH02095 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.175]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05858; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BE68D7.E1C18AD5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:33:11 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief References: <20000912124347.16472.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that this a really good way to learn how to ride 211. Focus on lines and smoothness rather than speed for the sake of speed. Ride 211 "slow" and "controlled" several times and you will be surprised how much faster (and more confident) you are when you decide to have a go at it. This also a good thing to do with a group the first run up and down (assuming you are going to make several passes over Thornton Gap in both directions). Let's you know if there's any "stuff" on the road that you really need to know about (and don't want to find out riding at a higher speed, i.e., less margin for safety/reaction/bailout). Gives you an idea of how many other sportbikes are out there "swarming" all over the mountain (i.e., how much attention you're likely to attract). And you can have a look-see for any cops out to nail said sportbikes -- not that I would ever be speeding! %^) Chuck Tom Gimer wrote : > > the best way to run 211 is like we did it on saturday.... > leader sets the 'pace' at say 60mph. there is no hard > acceleration out of the turns and onto the straights; the > group simply rolls on the throttle through each turn, then > settles back to 60mph for the next one. only the two > uphill decreasing radius right handers need to be taken > with a lower entrance speed. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 10:34:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CEYQH02242 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.175]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13951; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BE6A90.C7D32C9A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:40:32 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief References: <39BDC0BC.D87D27F4@ix.netcom.com> <001a01c01c63$c1aaa520$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least on 211, the truth is I'm probably a bit of a "wimp" compared to the REALLY FAST riders. I'd much rather ride the mountain at a pace that gives me a fair margin for error and safety and affords me a bailout in the event of the unexpected. For me, it's not a road where I really want to push it "to the limit". My experience of going down (lowside) on the track (CSS@VIR) has taught me that I definitely don't want to go down on the street. On the track, even a crash at "fast" speeds can be forgiving because of runoff, etc. On the street, there ain't no such thing. On 211 on the mountain, the best case scenario is that you'll go into a ditch (which is I guess what happened last Saturday and what happened to two riders on an ill-fated ride that Danny and I led earlier this year). Worst case is that you hit armco, the side of the mountian, or go off the side. NO THANK YOU! That said, I ride 211 as fast and as hard as I feel comfortable that day. And the more I ride it, the more comfortable and confident I get, which probably translates into higher speeds. But I would NEVER speed! %^) That's my story and I'm sticking to it! Laura Granato wrote: > > Seems like we may have some fibbers on the list...uh hum...Mike, > Chuck...LMAO! :-) So then, if you guys aren't speeding, then what > *exactly* does a "spirited ride" mean? Anxiously awaiting responses to this > one too... From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 10:47:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CElhH02492 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.175]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA31213; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BE6DAB.646166F3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:53:47 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? References: <4.2.0.58.20000912094642.00d35810@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not good at all if you are sportbike rider in particular AND a gun owner. Can we start the gun thread now??? %^) Chuck Troutman wrote : > > In brief, some sporbikers tried to pass 5 trucks with bass boats, and one > truck got pissed and tailgated them. They went and got a gun, stopped the > convoy and had words. The truck tried to escape and kocked a biker off the > road while on his bike. Said biker emptied his clip into the > truck. Trucker alive, biker in jail. Bad press. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CFHjH03624 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000912151736.16060.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.88.129] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:17:36 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:17:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Suggestions- 3 of 'em, Read 'em ALL - please To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii bike night? Bike Night? BIKE NIGHT!!!!? -also- any of the MARRC members that want to cross post Revolution Coffe Lounge's next bike night please feel welcome to do so... I heard about the last one "after the fact" and would have loved to catch up with some of the old "Crow Bar" crew. Finally- Any of the "Advanced" riders interested in a "Parking Lot Clinic/Bike Rodeo" demonstrating low speed drills designed to sharpen at-speed cornering skills? (for liablility purposes, I said "DEMONSTRATING" not instructing) It could be a pre-cursor to some of us seeking professional instruction. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:18:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CFHwH03655 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6036 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2000 08:17:50 -0700 Date: 12 Sep 2000 08:17:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20000912151750.6035.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 15:17:50 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 12 Sep 2000 08:17:50 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? > > Not good at all if you are sportbike rider in particular AND a gun > owner. Can we start the gun thread now??? %^) Even worse, if he didn't have his CWP, which a guy like that probably didn't, it is gonna be bad news for all of us decent citizens who do have one! Cause you know there is nowhere on a bike to hold a gun that it wouldn't have been concealed. Laura > > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:27:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CFRlH04150 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27623 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:27:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000912112310.00d38820@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:27:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shoot I started a gun thread In-Reply-To: <20000912151750.6035.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:17 AM 9/12/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Even worse, if he didn't have his CWP, which a guy like that probably >didn't, it is gonna be bad news for all of us decent citizens who do have >one! Cause you know there is nowhere on a bike to hold a gun that it >wouldn't have been concealed. I hope he doesn't have a concealed carry permit. The odds that one of us with one will use a weapon illegally are statistically insignificant. Make guns illegal and only criminals have guns. Anyone notice that this weekend (Sunday) FOX predicted heavy rain Monday night through today but it is beautiful outside? It must be hard to accurately predict the weather 12 hours in advance. How about the weather people just stick to what they do best - reporting what happened or *maybe* what is happening right now..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:33:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CFXCH04249 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G0S001015SDLF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:31:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G0S0008Q5SDMZ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:31:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G0S00D015O1WV@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:28:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G0S00D015NRV2@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:28:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com ([166.37.214.10]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G0S00AI55NI22@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:28:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <20000912153105.INUQ783@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:31:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:30:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: SBave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39BE4C0A.E295EBDD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey Hork...you gonna let him know about underestimating a Connie? LOL A wolf in sheeps clothing, yep. :) A little long in the tooth, but still has all the power of a modern-day 600 sportbike, and a better torque spread to boot. That ol' ZX-10 motor can still get up and go. And we don't have to lube chains. :) I sometimes wish I had better skills so I could show off the bike a little more around the fast guys. But I'm still happy riding all over the country with it. Glad you are around to carry the banner for us, Steve. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:34:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CFYXH04259 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.51.b1087a (16634); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:29:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <51.b1087a.26efa5ce@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:29:18 EDT Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? To: lgranato@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/12/00 11:23:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > Even worse, if he didn't have his CWP, which a guy like that probably didn't, > it is gonna be bad news for all of us decent citizens who do have one! > Cause you know there is nowhere on a bike to hold a gun that it wouldn't have > been concealed. Duct taped to my tank comes to mind.... :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:35:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CFZGH04338 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA26405 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Yamaha FZ-1 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:35:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal It's official: Yamaha will be bringing the new FZ-1 to the US for 2001. If you haven't been keeping up with the online bike press for the last week or two, you may not have heard of this bike. It's an upright "sport-standard" version of the R1, built to compete with the Bandit 1200 and ZRX1100. Sounds like it'll be a corker. Centerstand, R1 motor (more torque, slightly less hp), available factory hard bags, great looks. Check out the link for more info: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcyam/01fazer.html Comments? Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:39:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CFdlH04359 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0S004CY65MCK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:39:33 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:39:20 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Deals Gap Shooting? To: "'Chuck Pena'" , Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF6C@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chuck, Why not a DC Guns list? ;-> We could have Gun nights at the NRA cafe and group shoots at local IDPA matches. Not sure how we'd break up into relaxed and spirited groups though... -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:54 PM To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? Not good at all if you are sportbike rider in particular AND a gun owner. Can we start the gun thread now??? %^) Chuck Troutman wrote : > > In brief, some sporbikers tried to pass 5 trucks with bass boats, and one > truck got pissed and tailgated them. They went and got a gun, stopped the > convoy and had words. The truck tried to escape and kocked a biker off the > road while on his bike. Said biker emptied his clip into the > truck. Trucker alive, biker in jail. Bad press. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:46:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CFjxH04547 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:42:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deals Gap Shooting? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:42:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm just worried about all the "incidents" that'd happen with group shoots. People shootin' over their heads, not shootin' their own shoot, that type of stuff. It'd give a bad name to shooters everywhere. -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Ledford, Calvin [mailto:cledford@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:39 AM > To: 'Chuck Pena'; Troutman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deals Gap Shooting? > > > Chuck, > > Why not a DC Guns list? ;-> We could have Gun nights at the > NRA cafe and > group shoots at local IDPA matches. Not sure how we'd break > up into relaxed > and spirited groups though... > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:54 PM > To: Troutman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? > > > Not good at all if you are sportbike rider in particular AND a gun > owner. Can we start the gun thread now??? %^) > > Chuck > > Troutman wrote : > > > > In brief, some sporbikers tried to pass 5 trucks with bass > boats, and one > > truck got pissed and tailgated them. They went and got a > gun, stopped the > > convoy and had words. The truck tried to escape and kocked > a biker off > the > > road while on his bike. Said biker emptied his clip into the > > truck. Trucker alive, biker in jail. Bad press. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 11:48:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CFmnH04557 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 4574 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2000 08:48:39 -0700 Date: 12 Sep 2000 08:48:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20000912154839.4573.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 15:48:39 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 12 Sep 2000 08:48:39 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? > > Duct taped to my tank comes to mind.... :) and risk scratching the Duc? and the gun? Hells no! :-) Laura > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 12:01:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CG1sH04810 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B89E6@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Personal Injury Lawyer Needed Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:50:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Not for me... A friend got rear-ended by a big truck. They refuse to pay her car loan off (its totalled) but only the bluebook. She was hurt somewhat. I think it may be time to get representation. Can anyone recommend a good PI lawyer? Thanks SHe is in Leesburg, BTW From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 12:04:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CG4uH04838 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6471 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2000 09:04:49 -0700 Date: 12 Sep 2000 09:04:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20000912160449.6470.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 16:04:49 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 12 Sep 2000 09:04:49 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cledford@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: RE: Deals Gap Shooting? Chuck, > > Why not a DC Guns list? ;-> We could have Gun nights at the NRA cafe and > group shoots at local IDPA matches. I think that is what we do during the winter when we don't get to ride as much...fellow DC Cyclers should get together for shooting nights. ;-) Not sure how we'd break up into relaxed > and spirited groups though... there are a couple of ways to do this...semi-auto vs. fully auto for instance...LMAO Laura > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:54 PM > To: Troutman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? > > > Not good at all if you are sportbike rider in particular AND a gun > owner. Can we start the gun thread now??? %^) > > Chuck > > Troutman wrote : > > > > In brief, some sporbikers tried to pass 5 trucks with bass boats, and one > > truck got pissed and tailgated them. They went and got a gun, stopped the > > convoy and had words. The truck tried to escape and kocked a biker off > the > > road while on his bike. Said biker emptied his clip into the > > truck. Trucker alive, biker in jail. Bad press. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 12:09:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CG90H04918 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5C8F@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: One woman's track day Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:08:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Riding a 1984 V65 Honda Sabre at Nelson Ledges Ohio: Nice write up: http://stilyagi.org/~kbecker/trackschool.html Some snippets: " . . .and with every scream of terror I got faster." By afternoon I no longer needed to scream. I was no longer terrified, even though I lost traction several times on the exit of turn four. It started to get really, really fun I now understand why so many track riders say they've given up street riding because street riding is so dangerous. Many of my ingrained defensive riding habits were problematical on the track. If I was going on the track every weekend, I suspect my defensive riding on the street would suffer, and the street would suddenly get a lot more dangerous. Enjoy Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 12:34:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CGYlH05433 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000912163432.11579.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.206] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:34:32 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Relaxed Ride 3--mark your calendars To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Once again a lot of people have requested another Relaxed > Ride! So, mark your calendars for October 7. Relaxed > Ride 3. > . . . > Chuck and I are working the details out, so more to come, > but figured I'd give everyone a head's up now. And, TG, > I am extending you a *personal* invitation to ride in my > group. :-) (no sarcasm intended) just spotted this.....i'd be honored. see you on 10/7, weather permitting. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 12:42:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CGgGH05620 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22960 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:42:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GPS? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII which do people prefer: Street-pilot, eMap or??? If I had the $$'s right now, I think I'd be leaning towards the eMap. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 12:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CGn8H05720 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28364; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:44:23 -0400 Message-ID: <39BE5D81.66BA931C@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:44:50 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: cledford@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Suzuki Owners Club Md." Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? References: <20000912160449.6470.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Chuck, > I think that is what we do during the winter when we don't get to ride as much...fellow DC Cyclers should get together for shooting nights. ;-) > > > > there are a couple of ways to do this...semi-auto vs. fully auto for instance...LMAO > > Laura Laura, How 'bout the DC Cycles list drop by http://www.selectfire.com/ over in Maryland. It's a shooting range where they rent you guns to use on their range. Blasting away a paper target with a H&K MP5 sub machine gun on full auto is almost as fun as hitting triple digits. They got all kinds of guns to rent. All you need is a photo I.D. card and some cash. They have an instructor there by you while your shooting so nothing goes a miss. ;) Let me know, maybe we can put together a DC Cycles/ SOC-USA/Md event together. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 12:52:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CGqkH05799 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CGqWI20495 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:52:32 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: track day review Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:50:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c01cd9$9330be20$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Cross post from another list. Track day at Philip Island. Wish the local dealers here offered 929's for test rides at the track:) Cedric An ecstatic immediacy of sensation, the instant obliterated all other thoughts, hopes, memories. The golden afternoon sun slanted down over the Grands Prix track main straight. I apexed the last turn, and rose out of full lean somewhere around one-eighty and counting. Wide open in fourth, the bike launched forward and I tucked in behind the windshield. Not enough. I wrapped myself more tightly around the balloon-like tank, and the wind pressure roared. An invisible hand mashed my helmet back onto my face, hard on my chin and forehead. The engine sang with a powerful gritty scream, pausing as I shifted up and aimed the 'bars down the straight, to the sea. The tach needle hovered large in my view as I clung on like a barnacle. Eight thousand, nine thousand, ten and shift up again. Eight thousand again, a quick glance at the digital speedo (two three something) and the throttle still wide open. More gritty howl from the exhaust, knife-edge vibes through the handlebars, and the tach needle pulling up towards vertical. A ZX10 is ahead, then flashes past backwards on the other side of the straight. My vision blurs to a tunnel. Finish line, pits, bridge, and crest over the hump of the straight. Suddenly the all-sea view expands downwards to reveal grass, tarmac, and braking markers. I hold the throttle as long as I dare, the bike still making tremendous acceleration. The big digital speedo counts the velocity fast, tk-tk-tk-tk-tk-tk-tk rapid fire in my brain as I imagine sounds for the changing numerals. First braking marker, the speedo flashes to two-six-something, I sit up. Despite the lean forward, the air wallops and tears at me. Second braking marker disappears, and I squeeze on the lever, caress the pedal, gear down, against the downhill. Damn! Third braking marker just disappeared, too quickly! No choice here, no opportunity for more brakes, I just eased off everything and leaned in. The 'blade turns in eagerly, and glides forward just off the 'scrape zone'. The notoriously quick first corner of Phillip Island blurs under the bike, apex reaching out in a red-white strobe. I lean my body out further as my toes and footpeg feather against the rippled tarmac, and hold a tight exit out of the bowl. Those bumps that had destroyed the front-end control of my Ninja had just disappeared under the superb suspension I was on. Straighten up, brakes on, gear down, brakes off, look left, and hold. A wide, slowing entrance to the Southern loop. The double left hander over a hill sent John off the edge last time I was here, and the best line is terribly hard to find. I'm tempted to turn, but wait for the invisible extra few yards of lane width. Then turn in too hard, and brush the apex on the left. Quick! Full power, lean hard and the bike runs wider onto the second straight. There's another rider here, on something fast that'll take full power to pass. I commit, and the Fireblade rockets forward around the outside. No! He's cutting over in front! The same move that crashed, who, Eddie? in the last Superbike race here! I'm committed, move out further, hold the throttle open, and shoot past. More speed, gotta get some space before braking hard for the left-hand kink. Then approaching Honda corner, and six bikes queued in a freight train, pressed hard against the very left of the track. I'm on the right, and too fast to join the back of the train. Up the inside, hard on the brakes, rear wheel skipping as I shift down into first. Slowly around the inside of the right hairpin, conscious of others coming around the outside on my left. Balance, hold it steady, gentle power, straighten up. The fun zone, full power in first and the front wheel joyously reaches for the deep blue sky. Up to second gear, take a wide late line around the next left hairpin, then full throttle. Again the front dances off the tarmac. Full power and up through the gears, lean hard right through a kink, then slower up and over the left-hand Lukey Heights. Suddenly the ground drops away vertically, and with the front braking as hard as I dare I tap down to first gear. It feels like I'm diving into the pits of darkness, but instead it's Siberia corner, an ultra-tight right. I've been in trouble here a long time ago. I force my head over my shoulder while I'm still braking (psychologically an incredibly difficult thing for me); there is the corner exit, holy grail, laid out for me. I'm in first, ease off the brakes and turn in tight. The light steering responds easily, but the bike doesn't fall too far in, turning instead. It's enough, and I power on, straighten up, power off, turn in left, and open it up. Second, third, the engine roars wildly again, I aim for the last corner and open it up. Right here is where my Ninja spun the rear tyre for a moment, somewhere around one-forty, so I feather gently with the throttle. But the ultra-fat Michelin Pilot Sport rubber can take it, and Blade carves in a constant left lean and constant acceleration. The main straight comes into view ahead, and I begin the speed search again. But the chequered flag comes out, and I cross the finish line for the end of session, winding off the throttle. Triple figures show on the speedo as I cruise (at what seems a slow pace) around half the track, then almost walking pace into the pits. I park the bike for the next punter, and as I chat with the other riders, I realise I'm shaking uncontrollably with adrenaline. Last thursday, I spent the day at Phillip Island Grand Prix track. Honda kindly put up a dozen or so of the new (2000) Fireblade 929 for interested bikers to test, and compare with their own rides. A double booking saw me test my (relatively vintage) Ninja in four sessions of half-a-dozen laps, against two of Honda's finest, black and purple/yellow. The Ninja didn't disgrace itself, when I got it right it passed lots of faster machinery. A Blackbird pilot congratulated me on a well-timed pass, and Blackjack even held off an experienced rider on an R1 for, oh, about one corner. Ridden wrong, she was just as fast and three times as nasty. The engine is just so much more than the chassis or suspension or tyres can handle. The 'blade isn't like that, despite the extra thirty or forty horsepower it was just smooth like cream, controlled with the gentlest nudge, and so reassuring it felt like my guardian angel was riding pillion instead of having fallen off two laps back. It was lots of fun, to the point I still dream about it. Now in how many sports can you get *that* for seventy bucks? -Cam **************************************************** Cam (vortex@XXXXXX) Melbourne, Australia. Ninja ZX900R "Blackjack" MRAA#1928 / Motolist / DoD / RMITU "he's on horseback, but no, horses don't have wheels - it must be a bicycle, but wait, bicycles don't have prows, so maybe it's a rocket, but rockets don't have saddles" - Stanislaw Lem, The Cyberiad From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 12:57:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CGvVH05886 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.11.9089c29 (4398) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11.9089c29.26efba45@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:56:37 EDT Subject: Re: GPS? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 brown@XXXXXX writes: << which do people prefer: Street-pilot, eMap or??? >> I have a StreetPilot and love it. If you want to see it I'd be glad to meet you somewhere to show it to you... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 13:05:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CH5aH06073 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.c3.91621ad (4398) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:05:26 EDT Subject: Re: Ride Today in brief To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 JReazor@XXXXXX writes: << Just for fun, it'd be interesting to see one of you fast guys or girls mount up a cheap bicycle computer to gather some metrics. The cyclometer will record top speed, average speed, riding time and a whole bunch of other stuff you won't care about but you don't have to watch the speedo to get the data. >> I have a Garmin StreetPilot and it does all that stuff and more. You have a good idea...I'll reset it at the bottom of 211 and see what it says when I'm done. I have to agree with Tom Gimer...211 is getting WAY too crowded on the weekend to go berserk there. Steve Broadstreet '90 Concours Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 13:34:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CHYhH06575 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24650 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:34:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GPS? In-Reply-To: <11.9089c29.26efba45@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Street-pilot, eMap or??? >> > I have a StreetPilot and love it. If you want to see it I'd be glad to meet > you somewhere to show it to you... > FWIW, I went to Garmin's site (www.garmin.com) and did a side by side comparison -- the eMap would appear to have better numbers, slightly. Its also flatter, which would seem to fit into the map holder of a tank bag better than the Street-Pilot. Street Pilot is also over 2x as expensive, based on list price. Upsides on the SP... it would appear to be more water-proof, has a larger screen and a detachable antenna. http://www.garmin.com/mobile/compare.html I also like the looks of the etrex, for its small size and price, but, it doesn't have the mapping features that would be nice to have. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 13:48:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CHmsH06980 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8CHmpt11906 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:48:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: One woman's track day In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5C8F@DCHQCLEXHQ> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII All this talk of track days and road racing brings me back to my solution of what to do for maximum thrills on a bike - take it to the dirt. IMO, it's more fun than track days/school. If you should decide to race it's cheaper and considerably more popular -- big local MX tracks get close to 1000 racers on big race days while enduros and hare scrambles (woods racing) regularly have 200 (hare scrambles) to 500 (enduros) competitors. $35 for a day of racing compares quite favorably to road racing. Want track time? My last enduro was 5 hours long. Think it's cool watching the pro road racers going sideways into the corners? Get a dirt bike and learn to do it yourself... The big negative of the dirt biking thing is I have somehow not managed to lure any street riding buds into the dirt (there's been one exception but he's since sold the thing :( ). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 14:23:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CINtH07575 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id OAA11194 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:23:53 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:27:07 -0400 Message-ID: <01C01CC5.879A1110.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: One woman's track day Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:27:06 -0400 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 40 TEXT Kirk is right.....mostly. :) I can say that dirt riding is a blast, but it is not the same as at the roadrace track, or maybe I have done so much dirt riding that it got a little less exciting and I needed to try something new. It is a great way to push the limits relatively safely and to have fun doing it. The only problem is finding good places to ride fi you are not racing and even racing, you may have to go pretty far to get to a racetrack. Summit is only 1 hour from me. Hmmm....Anyone have a dirt bike they want to trade for an SV? Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:49 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > All this talk of track days and road racing brings me back to my solution > of what to do for maximum thrills on a bike - take it to the dirt. IMO, > it's more fun than track days/school. If you should decide to race it's > cheaper and considerably more popular -- big local MX tracks get close to > 1000 racers on big race days while enduros and hare scrambles (woods > racing) regularly have 200 (hare scrambles) to 500 (enduros) competitors. > $35 for a day of racing compares quite favorably to road racing. Want > track time? My last enduro was 5 hours long. > > Think it's cool watching the pro road racers going sideways into the > corners? Get a dirt bike and learn to do it yourself... > > The big negative of the dirt biking thing is I have somehow not managed to > lure any street riding buds into the dirt (there's been one exception but > he's since sold the thing :( ). > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 14:37:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CIbnH07844 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA17524 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: Cycle Sport Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone else headed to the rider safety seminar at Cycle Sport tonight? Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 14:38:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CIcUH07854 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 7054 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2000 11:38:23 -0700 Date: 12 Sep 2000 11:38:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20000912183823.7053.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 18:38:23 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 12 Sep 2000 11:38:23 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Relaxed Ride 3--mark your calendars > > Ride! So, mark your calendars for October 7. Relaxed > > Ride 3. > > . . . > > Chuck and I are working the details out, so more to come, > > but figured I'd give everyone a head's up now. And, TG, > > I am extending you a *personal* invitation to ride in my > > group. :-) (no sarcasm intended) > > just spotted this.....i'd be honored. see you on 10/7, > weather permitting. Cool! Glad to hear it. Look forward to meeting you then. LAG > > > -- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 15:04:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CJ4OH08310 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8CJ4Kt14645 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:04:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: One woman's track day In-Reply-To: <01C01CC5.879A1110.dthompso1@erols.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Danny Thompson wrote: > The only problem is finding good places to ride fi you are not racing > and even racing, you may have to go pretty far to get to a racetrack. > Summit is only 1 hour from me. Budds Creek MX is only 1 hour from me and they hold not only national level MX races but international ones as well. There are actually several Summit Point level (local/regional/district) MX tracks within 1.5 hours of DC. Of course, you'll never see me racing MX. I mostly like my wheels on the ground. Hare scrambles (mass start circuit races) are held close by. The bad one is enduro racing, which does require 3 hour drives if you want to do a full season. It's a more relaxed atmosphere though. > Hmmm....Anyone have a dirt bike they want to trade for an SV? No teasing! Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 15:08:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CJ8vH08422 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 7781 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2000 12:08:50 -0700 Date: 12 Sep 2000 12:08:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20000912190850.7780.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 19:08:50 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 12 Sep 2000 12:08:50 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: lgoddard@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Cycle Sport On Tue, 12 September 2000, lisa wrote: > > Is anyone else headed to the rider safety seminar at Cycle Sport tonight? > > I'll be there Thursday night... > LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 15:40:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CJe6H08930 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23721 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2000 12:39:55 -0700 Date: 12 Sep 2000 12:39:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20000912193955.23720.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Sep 2000 19:39:55 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 12 Sep 2000 12:39:55 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: riding to summit saturday? Anyone planning on riding to summit saturday morning? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 15:47:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CJlGH09118 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:43:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:42:13 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: RE Dirt Bikes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8CJlIH09119 That brings back some fun memories, way back I rode my KX420 in the woods where the Avenel golf course is now, actually while they were building it too. They would try and chase us in Chevy Blazers HA HA HA. Of course that POS used to fowl plugs all the time, luckily never with a Avenel rent a cop on my tail. I rode a quad a few weeks back, that was weird, with the thumb throttle and having to steer and not lean/counter steer. George Cole 00 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 16:18:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CKIQH09653 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G0S00801J0Q89@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:17:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G0S004J2J0QGX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G0S00I01J0QYA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G0S00I01J0OXV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com ([166.37.204.5]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G0S00CLVJ0BUJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:16:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20000912201737.IOGW766@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:17:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:16:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: [Fwd: Man shot by irate motorcyclist] To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <39BE8F0C.351249AB@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fk0AiEuDcCNkF6CTB5W85g)" X-Accept-Language: en This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_fk0AiEuDcCNkF6CTB5W85g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is insane. I feel bad for the poor guy. I'm almost ashamed to be a motorcyclist after reading this. >Maryville man shot by irate motorcyclist >Monday, September 11, 2000 >http://www.thedailytimes.com/dtarchive/topofnews/sht91100.html Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi --Boundary_(ID_fk0AiEuDcCNkF6CTB5W85g) Content-type: message/rfc822 Return-path: Received: from h13.mail.home.com ([24.0.95.47]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000912180439.IDQ4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:04:39 -0700 Received: from mx8-w.mail.home.com (mx8-w.mail.home.com [24.0.95.73]) by h13.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA12306; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by mx8-w.mail.home.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04203; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30874; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:05:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:05:07 -0700 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Man shot by irate motorcyclist Sender: cog@XXXXXX To: Concours Owners Group Errors-to: cog-owner@XXXXXX Reply-to: SSMI@XXXXXX Message-id: Precedence: bulk Originator: cog@XXXXXX X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Comment: Concours Owners Group X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Chalk up another one to road rage! What's next? I hope this does not cause future problems with m/c riding through Deal's Gap. >Maryville man shot by irate motorcyclist >Monday, September 11, 2000 >http://www.thedailytimes.com/dtarchive/topofnews/sht91100.html Steven Smith #3184 --Boundary_(ID_fk0AiEuDcCNkF6CTB5W85g)-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 16:34:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CKYiH09933 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id t.9c.733a98a (4408); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:34:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.733a98a.26efed42@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:34:10 EDT Subject: Re: [Fwd: Man shot by irate motorcyclist] To: the.horskster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 9/12/00 4:20:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the.horskster@XXXXXX writes: << This is insane. I feel bad for the poor guy. I'm almost ashamed to be a motorcyclist after reading this. >> Of course it's insane. The real question is" Was the motorcyclist wearing a helmet?" (I'm sorry guys, I just could not resist. My first concern was, "I hope the biker wasn't a harley rider"....but deep down, I can't see a Ninja or a sport rider packing iron like that. This is gonna be a sticky wicket...) Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 16:47:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CKl5H10192 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.32.9ff2c20 (4390) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:46:41 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <32.9ff2c20.26eff030@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:46:40 EDT Subject: Re: riding to summit saturday? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone planning on riding to summit saturday morning? >> I plan on going for a ride on Sunday morning ending at Summit Point. The weather forecast looks bad for Sat-better for Sun (cold front coming through). If anyone wants to tag along I would welcome the company... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 16:47:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CKlaH10202 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-136-234.s234.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.136.234] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Ywxo-0002Xl-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <39BE9680.334F7797@bigfoot.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:48:00 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: [Fwd: Man shot by irate motorcyclist] References: <39BE8F0C.351249AB@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit best quote of the story, by GSW victim: "You know the worst thing about it,'' he said. ``I put in a fresh chew of tobacco about the top of the mountain and they made me get rid of it before they'd load me on that helicopter.'' Dale Horstman wrote: > This is insane. I feel bad for the poor guy. I'm > almost ashamed to be a motorcyclist after reading this. > > >Maryville man shot by irate motorcyclist > >Monday, September 11, 2000 > >http://www.thedailytimes.com/dtarchive/topofnews/sht91100.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 16:54:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CKsJH10300 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000912205415.FDWG4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:54:15 -0700 Message-ID: <047301c01cfa$9cb3ba80$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: , References: <85256958.004850F8.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Subject: Re: Please? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:47:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Just double checked my settings, I am sending plain text. If some one in digest mode can send one of my offending posts back to me I'll see if I can find the problem. And I promise to remember to snip more often. James ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Please? > So I got to thinking. Maybe they don't *know* they are killing the digest > people with HTML. So, without comment, here is a list of the current > HTMLers from the most current digest: > > "Thomas_Zell" > "James Reazor" > "Gerald Hubbard" > "Christopher Weaver" From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 17:16:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CLGGH10777 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000912211608.22122.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.207] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:16:08 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE Dirt Bikes To: George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Cole wrote: > That brings back some fun memories, way back I rode my > KX420 in the woods where the Avenel golf course is now, > actually while they were building it too. They would try > and chase us in Chevy Blazers HA HA HA. un-frigging-believable! ... that guy (dammit i forget his name (evans maybe)) actually shot at me and 4 of my friends, shotgun blasting right out of the window of that blazer. crazy mofo ended up getting like 400 community service hours for it. > Of course that POS used to fowl plugs all the time, > luckily never with a Avenel rent a cop on my tail. the guy who drove the white blazer owned that property....he was seriously pissed about bikes/trikes scaring his horses. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 17:41:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f254.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CLf7H11089 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:40:58 -0700 Received: from 4.17.82.109 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:40:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.17.82.109] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ride for kids? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:40:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2000 21:40:58.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[235B4CE0:01C01D02] Anyone going on the ride for kids this sunday in columbia MD? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 17:41:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CLfHH11092 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:41:08 -0700 Received: from 4.17.82.109 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:41:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.17.82.109] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ride for kids? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:41:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2000 21:41:08.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[290A12C0:01C01D02] Anyone going on the ride for kids this sunday in columbia MD? Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 17:44:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8CLidH11181 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:40:51 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:39:25 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: RE Dirt Bikes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8CLieH11182 Wow! I was never shot at. I think this was around 84 or 85, I was approached by a person in a Blazer once, he told me he was a Police officer and to turn off the engine.. Yeah right, eat some dirt..M F'er I hope that our antics didn't get you shot at, sorry :o(. We spent most of the time down in the woods, I think a some of the trails are still there. Regards, George Tom Gimer wrote un-frigging-believable! ... that guy (dammit i forget his name (evans maybe)) actually shot at me and 4 of my friends, shotgun blasting right out of the window of that blazer. crazy mofo ended up getting like 400 community service hours for it. the guy who drove the white blazer owned that property....he was seriously pissed about bikes/trikes scaring his horses. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 18:19:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CMIvH11763 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.207.54]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:18:34 -0400 Message-ID: <39BEABEC.5002B96D@cox.rr.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:19:24 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding with experienced riders References: <48.ac1d1a3.26eeed63@aol.com> <001101c01c63$591a26c0$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another huge advantage to following an experienced rider is that the leader finds all the road hazards first and is more capable of handling them. The trailers can generally see when the lead rider goes through cleanly so they can be fairly comfortable that a) the curve is fairly regular, without a nasty decreasing radius, or b) there's not a dead cow in the road. I'm sure the group has many other examples. I realize this isn't absolute - the leader has to be conscious of the trailers so as not to mislead them - but it was a big help to me as I learned. The key to making it work as a follower is to peripherally watch the lead rider enter the curve and go through, then DON'T FOLLOW THEIR TAILLIGHT. You have to look through the curve just as if you were alone - if you fixate on the bike ahead, it'll mess you all up. Hope this helps some others as much as it helped me. Please, you more experienced riders, chime in as you see fit. I'm far from an expert, as I always remind myself. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Laura Granato wrote: > Sometimes I think us beginner riders tend to not push themselves even the > littlest bit because we aren't really sure what our bikes are capable of > yet, and they *are* more capable then we think. For instance, went riding > with Larry and Steve one weekend...both great riders, but respected that I > am a beginner. I was at the back, and kept up as best I could, and they > definitely kept it at an easy pace but still one that was a little faster > than I'd ride by myself. The longer I rode with them, the more I realized > that they could take turns, so could I. CAUTION HERE!! For beginner riders, > this does NOT mean I rode out of my comfort level or ability. I still took > turns way slower than they did, and I was not trying to keep pace with > them--but did enter turns about 5 - 10 mph more than I usually would have > and realized...whoa! This bike leans more than I thought it could and > actually *can* stay on the road. Hmmm....interesting. > > I'm sure Larry could comment on this a little more... > > Anyways...by riding with more experienced riders > A: having them around before the ride we learn a lot by just listening and > talking to you guys > B: We get to watch how you guys pick your lines, when you brake, what entry > speed you're taking, etc. > C: It's just fun to know watching you all that one day, with a lot more > experience, we can ride like that too ;-) > > > Laura > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 18:48:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CMm1H12290 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-206.patriot.net [209.249.180.206]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8CMloe03774; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:47:50 -0400 Message-ID: <39BEB260.5EB109DB@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:46:56 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE Dirt Bikes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On a lighter note, while riding the power lines below Spfld mall (yes, waaay back when) a buck-neked gal came running out of a small linesman's shack, yelling for help. Seems see got a *wee* bit drunk the night before and was used and abused by a couple a-holes who just left her out there. Being a chilly day we had enough extra clothes to *ahem* ease our embarrassment. She didn't seem bothered, but was cold. (lo-temp indicators were full on). Cop came when called - surprise! Never did find out what the real deal was or how it ended. Bill former Yamahonker DT125 rider. George Cole wrote: > Wow! > > I was never shot at. I think this was around 84 or 85, I was approached by a person in a Blazer once, he told me he was a Police officer and to turn off the engine.. Yeah right, eat some dirt..M F'er > > I hope that our antics didn't get you shot at, sorry :o(. > > We spent most of the time down in the woods, I think a some of the trails are still there. > > Regards, > > George > > Tom Gimer wrote > > un-frigging-believable! ... that guy (dammit i forget his > name (evans maybe)) actually shot at me and 4 of my > friends, shotgun blasting right out of the window of that > blazer. crazy mofo ended up getting like 400 community > service hours for it. > > > the guy who drove the white blazer owned that > property....he was seriously pissed about bikes/trikes > scaring his horses. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 19:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CNpFH13392 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000912202011.QTM13435.kuku.excite.com@prickles> for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: <22944678.968790011807.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: It's Ba-ack! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.13 Just when you thought it was safe to buy that Sprint ST....... http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/news.asp?page=Latest+News&id=1076 _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 20:01:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D013H13565 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-243.s243.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.243] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Yzyg-0006Mk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:00:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c01d14$dd942980$f36daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: One woman's track day Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:55:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm not teasing, if I could find a good trade, I might go for it. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 snip..... > > Hmmm....Anyone have a dirt bike they want to trade for an SV? > > No teasing! > From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 20:02:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D022H13580 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGr9WvDy5s5eOSQWigS5YR8jw=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FHS9R7Y2; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:59:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:54:26 -0400 Subject: Question RE: Corbin Leather Saddles Message-ID: <20000912.195439.-150301.6.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,12-17,19-20,22-23,25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick I received a seat (rear pillion pad for SV650, actually) that I had recovered by Corbin. It was supposed to be covered in smooth black leather. It is understood that the top of the seat is leather, and the side panels are vinyl, like in some cars and recliners. When I look at the underside of the seat, it is clear that the leading piece of covering is leather. It has a backing similar to the inside of a leather jacket. The top part's covering, though, which is supposed to be all leather, clearly has a white fabric backing. I have a call in to Corbin asking what the covering is, but in the mean time, I'd like to know if anyone knows if this is how some leather seats are made. That is, is the leather a *very* thin sheathing, with a fabric backing for support? Don't know whether to be angry yet. Tom Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 20:18:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D0I6H13828 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-136-243.s243.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.136.243] helo=z1t9n0) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z0FX-0001yT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:18:04 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c01d18$2d345980$2582a4d8@z1t9n0> From: "Edward Rosenbrock" To: Subject: Honda for sale Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:18:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C01CF6.A3C67A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C01CF6.A3C67A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, I have to sell my motorcycle. After 3 years of riding and enjoying I = have to go back to my country. So I'm selling a Honda CBR1000F 1994. = Pretty good condition and neat. White, red and black. All original = standard equipment (nothing else) and 14,800 miles (riding only on = weekends and one time with the dc cycles guys and the ice cream ride!) I replaced the front tire once. Back tire is original.=20 I am second owner and I made only one service at 10 K. If someone interested, please write me back with some offer at: = rsnbrock@XXXXXX E.Rosenbrock ex CG125, Benelli Tornado 650,CB350four,CBR600 and CBR1000F (crying) ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C01CF6.A3C67A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = guys,
I have to sell my = motorcycle. After 3=20 years of riding and enjoying I have to go back to my country. So I'm = selling a=20 Honda CBR1000F 1994. Pretty good condition and neat. White, red and = black. All=20 original standard equipment (nothing else) and 14,800 miles (riding only = on=20 weekends and one time with the dc cycles guys and the ice cream=20 ride!)
I replaced the front tire = once. Back=20 tire is original.
I am second owner and I made = only one=20 service at 10 K.
If someone interested, = please write me=20 back with some offer at: rsnbrock@XXXXXX=
E.Rosenbrock
ex CG125, Benelli Tornado=20 650,CB350four,CBR600 and CBR1000F = (crying)
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C01CF6.A3C67A00-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 20:38:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D0cUH14244 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-206.patriot.net [209.249.180.206]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8D0cPe14992; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: <39BECC4B.947AF559@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:37:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Fitzpatrick CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question RE: Corbin Leather Saddles References: <20000912.195439.-150301.6.CelticRacing@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Corbin seat and it's all leather. Never checked the backing. I wuz kinda miffed `cuase it wuz *supoosd* to be a perfect fit for my specific model bike. Wrong. The OEM pillion grab rail wuz in the way. WHADAFUG! Corbin sez, "Oh, no prob, our grab rail takes care of that, for $169." Sez me, go f--k yourself up the A-hole with a rusty garden rake. Took off the OEM grab rail, tweaked it in my massive Columbia bench vise - oh, my fits fine. But for the money they charge I expected it to be a one bolt install. Great seat - lousy customer service. Bill Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > I received a seat (rear pillion pad for SV650, actually) that I had > recovered by Corbin. It was supposed to be covered in smooth black > leather. It is understood that the top of the seat is leather, and the > side panels are vinyl, like in some cars and recliners. > > When I look at the underside of the seat, it is clear that the leading > piece of covering is leather. It has a backing similar to the inside of > a leather jacket. The top part's covering, though, which is supposed to > be all leather, clearly has a white fabric backing. I have a call in to > Corbin asking what the covering is, but in the mean time, I'd like to > know if anyone knows if this is how some leather seats are made. That > is, is the leather a *very* thin sheathing, with a fabric backing for > support? > > Don't know whether to be angry yet. > > Tom > > Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) > (http://www.celticracing.com) > CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: > *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ > (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) > *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; > *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX > (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 20:39:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D0dPH14255 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.83.8eac5c (5727) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:39:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <83.8eac5c.26f026b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:39:12 EDT Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > In brief, some sporbikers tried to pass 5 trucks with bass boats, and one > truck got pissed and tailgated them Either slow bikers or fast truckers - not sure which Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 20:41:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D0foH14268 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.3e.cdebff (5727) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:41:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3e.cdebff.26f02743@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:41:39 EDT Subject: Re: Deals Gap Shooting? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > Not good at all if you are sportbike rider in particular AND a gun > owner. Can we start the gun thread now??? %^) Chuck, I ride a standard, but have guns - can I play? Or do I need a sportbike? Does the SRX count as a sportbike? Michael J. AMA IBA NRA TLA From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 20:45:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D0jJH14441 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.b8.b205b00 (5727) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:45:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:45:07 EDT Subject: Re: GPS? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > which do people prefer: > Street-pilot, eMap or??? > If I had the $$'s right now, I think I'd be leaning towards the eMap. I have a Garmin GPS III+ and I love it - Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Sep 12 21:27:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gillian.brauhausdc.org ([209.150.115.250]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D1RbH15087 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fryer.obscure.org (fryer.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.3]) by gillian.brauhausdc.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8D0RH630385 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:27:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000912212958.00ceaed0@pop.obscure.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:30:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: GPS? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:45 PM 9/12/00 -0400, you wrote: > > which do people prefer: > > Street-pilot, eMap or??? > > If I had the $$'s right now, I think I'd be leaning towards the eMap. > >I have a Garmin GPS III+ and I love it - > >Michael J. Any particular things you like about it? Features? Reasons you chose that over other things? How's it work on the bike? -- It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. Albert Einstein From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 00:16:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D4GNH17741 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-9.s517.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.9]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z3y8-00033i-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:16:21 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: parts wanted Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:22:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8D4GhH17742 99 or so R6 motor + other parts (plastics atleast) F2 fairings 86 zx10 gas tank 95-97 zx6r plastic If you have these in the shed or where ever, and want to sell them, email mouse@XXXXXX (or email me at this address) or call 301-773-2060 and let us know what you have. Daniel www.mousetrapracing.com btw we have the tire changing and balancing machines... From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 00:17:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D4HpH17759 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-9.s517.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.9]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z3zY-0007mI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:17:49 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thief On List Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:23:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20000905143124.20362.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> In-Reply-To: <20000905143124.20362.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8D4HqH17760 I think theives are too lazy to act so quickly to steal a bike..nor would they stay subscribed here.. i think it's coincidence, but a possiblilty. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 00:33:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D4XhH18003 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-9.s517.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.9]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z4Eu-0002uS-00; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:33:40 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Ledford, Calvin" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 93 honda cbr 600 For sale $4000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:39:51 -0700 Message-ID: References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF16@resie03.ie.cw.net> In-Reply-To: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF16@resie03.ie.cw.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8D4XkH18004 |>Sorry for the grip, I've just been following CBR 600 prices for over 6 years |>now. The price of a 92-93 F2 has STAYED over 4 grand the entire time. It |>doesn't make sense to me, especially since you can get a new one for just |>over 3 grand more. |>Needed to vent. |>-Calvin No problem, I actually agree with you..The honda accord is kind of expensive in the same manner. I'm not the one who set the price on it, just passing it along. In a way, it's good for the honda owners that they retain so much value. I will add though that the bike is being sold by a shop, not an individual. The bike rides like new, has a fresh good paint job, pipe+jet kit, fender removal kit, and maryland inspection. so.. I can kinda sorta see why the price seems a bit high.. but bike prices in this area are a bit high at the same time. Personally.. I think new bike prices are high as well.. For someone without a bike, who has bike fever, it's probably a good deal.. for someone who already has a bike, it's not a good deal, it's an ok deal if you want a second bike. And to some of us who can get bikes at discount.. it's not a good deal at all. that's just my point of view.. I want the bike to be sold (more funding for our venture) but I won't lie to get it sold. Guess I'm saying I agree, but it's an OK deal... I wonder if bike prices will be affected when the suzuki 1000 comes out. Daniel www.mousetrapracing.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 00:46:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D4k7H18221 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-9.s517.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.9]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z4Qu-0006tS-00; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:46:05 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dan Brown Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Secure Storage? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:52:15 -0700 Message-ID: References: <4.3.1.2.20000906054221.0473ab80@pop.obscure.org> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000906054221.0473ab80@pop.obscure.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8D4kAH18222 Mouse trap racing has decided to provide that service. $40 for you to park it, and it doesnt' get touched, $50 and it gets kept dust free and kept ready to ride. That includes insurance.. steel bars behind garage door so it can't be rammed, and an alarm system with cameras, audible alarms inside and outside the building and cellular backup calling if the phone lines are cut. It sounds high, but that's with a profit margin cut in over our costs of rent, insurance, employee pay, water/cleaning chemicals, and security... and we usually have partners in the company present at various hours into the night, with wireless hold up button alarms on their person... as well as various other tricks and surprises not named.. so.. a thief would have a little too much trouble.. it'd be less risky just to go take one off the street... plus we have a lot of off duty cops that hang out with us.. so.. that's like the worse place to come nad try to steal a bike. One is even a brother of the owner, so you can bet if something went down, the police would be REALLY interested in finding the theives... Anyway, that's kinda high to me because 1> i can't afford it, 2> my bike is ragedy, 3> I do have my own levels of security.. but to some people, money isn't an issue and their bike is worth it.. so I guess that's who our customers will be for that. Daniel www.mousetrapracing.com On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 05:44:03 -0400, you wrote: |>I asked this a while back and didn't see any real responses, so, I'll |>try again... |> |> |>Anyone know of a secure storage sort of facility where one could rent |>some space for a scoot? |> |>Potentially a space which has bonded gun-toting guards? From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 01:01:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D51QH18476 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-9.s517.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.9]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z4fk-00057w-00; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:01:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Accident Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:07:35 -0700 Message-ID: <0tcurss5j077jutpf22pt9eba07romq9la@4ax.com> References: <9d.a6dec5e.26e9be5e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9d.a6dec5e.26e9be5e@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8D51YH18477 For those of you who rear end anything (a car, or bike).. and want to get pissed.. don't. If you rear end anything, no matter how hard it jams on brakes in front of you, that's not their fault, that's YOUR fault. you should have a following distance that allows you to stop in time..you should have factored that in. Legally, you will get the traffic sitation. Here is a story for you...last weekend I think...the guy who won the DC-bikefest wheelie contest down budds creek...was doing a gas tank wheelie somewhere in PG county... at night.. a car turned in front of him and he hit the passenger side of it. He broke both arms, 1 leg as well as sustained internal injuries. some other bikers around assulted the car driver....who turned out to be an off duty cop...which lead to supposedly 60 cop cars...arriving to beat up bikers.. glad I wasnt' there, to recieve a beating just for being around... I can't blame the car driver...at night, the bike's headlight is up in the air. if you can't see the bike, that's not the drivers fault. I really dislike violent people..but i do believe in peace through superior firepower....or in another form, whoopin up on someone who is violent, so bad that won't try being violent again. Daniel make the world a safer place, shoot a violent person. :) (disclaimer: not responsble for any gun thread flame wars) On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:00:30 EDT, you wrote: |>In a message dated 9/7/00 6:39:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, |>gavinman@XXXXXX writes: |> |><< saw a motorcycle accident at about 6:30 am this morning in the HOV lanes |> of 395 at the Pentagon exit. I didn't witness the accident but saw a black |> looked like a Ninja down on the road with two state troopers by it. I |> didn't s >> |>As far as I know he rear ended a car which stopped short,fell off but got up |>and only appeared pissed off at the driver of the car. not much damage to |>either. I only know this because about six people at work took great pleasure |>in telling me the story. |> |>Richard McC From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 01:08:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D58cH18556 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-9.s517.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.9]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z4mi-0005XW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:08:36 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The week of crazies ??? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: References: <39B8DC81.FDE99194@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <39B8DC81.FDE99194@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8D58fH18557 My general philosophy is, non-motorcycle vehicles are bad and contagious with cudies. stay away from them, and don't be anywhere near them, or where tehy may go.. meaning.. if they are in the right lane, and you are over to the left.. don't be in the right portion of your lane where they may come into.. be far over in your lane away from them, and don't ride behind or beside them where tehy may not see you.. In my own personal theory, I try to ride as if they can't hear me, nor see me, and as if I didn't have a horn or after market pipe or strobes.. As far as my saftey policy, it's my responsibility to be aware of their possible mistakes and have a counter reaction / escape route for any mistake any car or truck (near me, or head of me) might make. I even stay away from tracker trailers that may lose tire tread, and stay away from pickup trucks, or cars with "tied" down trucks, where objects could fall off or out of. I suggest everyone also look out for those potential life threatening dangers. Daniel www.mousetrapracing.com |>So while we're chugging down the highway we must watch for bad drivers, |>Sheesh. Oh well, off to the crazy highway in a bit. Y`all stay safe |>out there. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 01:39:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8D5d2H19021 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-9.s517.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.9]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z5G0-0003ny-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:38:53 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low speed crash Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:45:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e8D5dGH19022 LOL too funny... not that it happened, but the way you're telling it. hehe. Might this be a lesson to keep one foot on the ground and clutch engaged when starting a bike? I'm not being a smart ass... I don't even know if the kickstart will have enough oomph to start that way? i'd assume yes? holding the clutch should be standard operating procedure for starting bikes.. as well as actually being on the bike... that pushing the button standing beside the bike is cute until the bike goes in gear and crashes over. one more thing is, to have your hand on the front brake too. it's generally good procedure: 1 be on the bike ( gives you safety against falling on either side) 2. bike in neutral ( saftey against surging or kickstand down saftey switch) 3. clutch pulled in (some bikes will only start that way) 4. hand on the front brake squeezing. (case clutch pops or whatever.. like the guy revving his bike while a train was passing, and the clutch popped and he rode right into the train) oh yea and park the bike in gear.. my bike rolled on me (on me litterally) when i was tightening a bolt andleft it in neutral.. that was not pleasant.. that was last year i think when i had the bikefor a month or two. Daniel time for a refresher coourse? :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 07:28:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.144]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DBSoH25309 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:28:42 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:28:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riding to summit saturday? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:28:42 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 11:28:42.0641 (UTC) FILETIME=[C563E010:01C01D75] Rich P. , another man on a beautiful bike ('98 VFR800), had mentioned it, and now I'm throwing around the idea. Rob '98 VFR800 >From: LAURA GRANATO >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: riding to summit saturday? >Date: 12 Sep 2000 12:39:55 -0700 > >Anyone planning on riding to summit saturday morning? > >LAG > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 07:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f314.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DBVXH25391 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:31:25 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:31:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ride for kids? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:31:25 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 11:31:25.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[26823DB0:01C01D76] I have some other plans up in the air right now, (may help a neighbor drag his bike down at MIR Superbike Finals that day.) If he decides not to race, most likely I will do the Ride for Kids instead. Just got the info in the mail the other day. With the police escort, I guess there won't be an aggressive, or less relaxed group, eh?! Rob '98 VFR800 >From: "DAN KENNEY" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: ride for kids? >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:40:58 GMT > >Anyone going on the ride for kids this sunday in columbia MD? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 07:42:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DBgNH25545 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:42:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200009130742.AA191758698@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Deal's Gap shooting X-Mailer: Maryville man shot by irate motorcyclist Monday, September 11, 2000 http://www.thedailytimes.com/dtarchive/topofnews/sht91100.html ---------- By Anna C. Irwin of The Daily Times Staff ---------- A 66-year-old Maryville man shot Friday while on his way to Fontana Lake to fish is already planning another fishing trip. Gerald Harrison of Martha Neomi Drive was flown by Lifestar from North Carolina to University of Tennessee Medical Center after his shoulder, his truck and his bass boat were hit by a hail of gunfire from an irate motorcycle rider as Harrison passed through Swain County. The man who shot Harrison with a .45-caliber Glock handgun was arrested by Graham County, N.C. deputies at Deal's Gap just inside North Carolina across the Blount County line. A restaurant, motel and campground at Deal's Gap is a favorite stop for motorcycle riders on U.S. 129, known as Calderwood Highway on the Tennessee side of the mountain. Graham County Sheriff Steve Odom said the man charged with aggravated assault was turned over to Swain County authorities, where the shooting occurred. Odom said a 15-mile section of Highway 28 where Harrison was attacked is patrolled by his deputies although it is in Swain County. `` It's a little finger of Swain County that runs up along Tapoco Lake and we have a mutual agreement Graham County covers it because it's kind of isolated from the rest of Swain County,'' Odom said. `` Security at Fontana broadcast a description of the three motorcycles involved in the shooting. We didn't know which way they went so officers went both ways,'' Odom said.Chief `` Deputy Spencer Weeks went toward Deal's Gap and I went up in the helicopter in case they tried to run when we located them. `` Some people at Deal's Gap told Weeks the bikers we were looking for came through headed for Tennessee so we flew over that way,'' Odom said. ``Then, they radioed they found them at Deal's Gap so we turned around and went back there.'' Men taken into custody More than a dozen officers converged at the scene and took the three men in custody, while several dozen motorcyclists watched. The man who allegedly fired the shots was taken to the scene of the shooting where Swain County Chief Deputy Jackie Fortner had started an investigation. The other two men, one of them the brother of the man charged, were allowed to follow officers to the shooting scene. The man arrested is reportedly a 25-year-old resident of Charlotte, N.C., with no prior criminal record. His name could not be obtained due to North Carolina regulations regarding release of information via telephone. Harrison said he couldn't believe how quickly the arrest was made. He commended those involved in the speedy arrest when North Carolina authorities came to UT Hospital to take his statement about the shooting. Incident starts on `Dragon' Harrison said the incident began on the Tennessee side of the mountain in the 11-mile, 318-curve stretch called ``The Dragon.'' `` There were six of us traveling together '' three of us pulling boats and two more trucks,'' Harrison said. ``We were going to Fontana to move a house boat because the water is going down and then we were going to do a little fishing. `` Around Parsons Branch, there was a truck hauling dry cement stuck in a hairpin curve, blocking the road. We stopped and were helping him but the guy at the back of our group was right around another curve. These three motorcycles came around that blind curve and skidded and slid all over to keep from hitting him,'' Harrison said. `` Well, we went on up the mountain with the motorcycles following us. There were two gaps (between vehicles) behind me and the motorcycles started passing around those hairpin curves. One of them almost ran me off the road trying to pass so I closed up the gap in front of me. I thought that would make them wait for a safe stretch to pass. `` All of a sudden I looked out and one of them was cutting in front of me, ran me over into the guard rail. I yelled `You crazy thing, get on out of here' and they went on,'' Harrison said. `` We drove on over through Deal's Gap and didn't see them again until we were on Highway 28. All of a sudden, one of them came by me and his shirt tail was blowing up. I could see a handgun in his waistband. `` Another one of them pulled up beside me and started motioning me to pull over. I wasn't going to stop since I saw that gun. Then the third one did the same thing the second one did. `` I still wouldn't stop so they got out in front of me. I could see them yelling back and forth, then one of them dropped back behind me. The two still in front of me started slowing down, then stopped. One of them got off his bike parked about the center line and started walking back toward me,'' Harrison said. ``I rolled the truck up toward the other one on the right side of the road, then gunned it,'' Harrison said. ``In a few seconds, I heard a pop, then three more pops. One of the shots blew out the back window of the truck and I went over into the seat. Another shot hit my left shoulder and it felt like somebody slammed me with a ball bat.'' Harrison kept driving although there was blood pouring from his shoulder. More than half a mile down the road, he found a spot to pull over into a parking area. Blood fills floorboard `` I knew I was hurt because the seat and the floorboard looked like they were filling up with blood,'' Harrison said.I `` got out and started to walk around to see what they did to my truck and boat. My buddies grabbed me and laid me down and tried to stop the bleeding. One of them went on and called for help. `` I found out later they put three holes in my boat and three holes in my truck,'' Harrison said. An ambulance arrived and Harrison was taken to a helicopter landing zone established near Fontana Dam. He said his friends brought his truck and boat home, but he hadn't seen his rig on Sunday evening. `` The doctor said I lost a lot of blood and the top of my shoulder blade was shattered. But, there's no nerve damage. I can still use my hand and arm and shoulder. I just can't raise my arm right now,'' Harrison said. ``They left the bullet in there for now. The doctor didn't want to go after it considering how much blood I lost.'' Harrison said he expects to be released from the hospital today and is thankful he's not hurt worse. His spirits were good Sunday evening. `` You know the worst thing about it,'' he said. ``I put in a fresh chew of tobacco about the top of the mountain and they made me get rid of it before they'd load me on that helicopter.'' From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 07:56:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DBu1H25696 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-222.patriot.net [209.249.180.222]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8DBtte29873; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:55:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39BF6B14.E5BE903B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:55:00 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GPS? References: <4.3.1.2.20000912212958.00ceaed0@pop.obscure.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have maps - easy to read, lightwieght, takes up very little space, no batterys required, and free updates available at every state welcome center. Cost $0. Bill Dan Brown wrote: > At 08:45 PM 9/12/00 -0400, you wrote: > > > which do people prefer: > > > Street-pilot, eMap or??? > > > If I had the $$'s right now, I think I'd be leaning towards the eMap. > > > >I have a Garmin GPS III+ and I love it - > > > >Michael J. > > Any particular things you like about it? Features? Reasons you chose that > over other things? How's it work on the bike? > > -- > It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. > Albert Einstein From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 09:54:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DDsHH27557 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6830 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2000 13:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000913135415.6829.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.16.157.245] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:54:15 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Group Ride Guidelines To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey folks- I rode for the first time with the Relaxed Ride and had no problems with the group I rode with. Here is an article from Motorcycle Magazine Aug 2000 about inexperienced riders and group rides: Motorcyclist reader Peyton Dreyer e-mailed us recently about a heated discussion he had with a riding buddy regarding whether rookies should ride in front or in back of the pack on group rides. It's a good question, and there are two very different ways of looking at it. Keeping the "newbies" out front can be a good way to go. They're more likely to ride at their own speed (unless their egos have them "proving" to those behind them how talented/fast/brave they are), and if they have a problem- or a crash- the more experienced guys can be on the scene immediately to help. Of course, if they're too cautious or slow it does nothing but hold everyone up, which can be frustrating; you're all there to ride after all. What we typically do on group rides that involve rookies is have them ride at the back of the pack- though not before prepping them with what we've always called "the talk" prior to starting out. We stress the absolute need to ride smart, in control, and not over their heads, and to remember that if they fall off and no one sees it happen, they may lie there for quite a while before those in front figure it out - not good if you have internal bleeding or something equally nasty. (The gory stuff usually keeps them in line.) It's also a good idea to have at least one rider in each group carry a cell phone just in case. Then we make sure those out front stop at reasonable intervals (or whenever the route changes dramatically) so those behind can catch up. The key thing for experienced riders to stress here is that it's totally ok to maintain a less than rapid pace while you learn the ropes. Once the pressure to impress is removed from the equation, newer riders can ride at the pace most conducive to learning. And that's good for everyone involved. Matt 1996 Suzuki GS500E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 09:57:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DDuwH27570 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04240 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Riding Mistakes Article Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:57:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Here's an article that ought to have some good tips for even the more seasoned riders among us. I know I found a few ideas that I hadn't thought of, and I suspect many listers will also. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/features/fea_mistakes_1.asp Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 10:09:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DE9XH27802 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8A23@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding Mistakes Article Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:58:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks Chris...good info and some funny Brit words... > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Weaver [SMTP:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Riding Mistakes Article > > Here's an article that ought to have some good tips for even the more > seasoned riders among us. I know I found a few ideas that I hadn't thought > of, and I suspect many listers will also. > > http://www.motorcyclenews.com/features/fea_mistakes_1.asp > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 10:11:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DEAwH27815 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 1458 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 07:10:51 -0700 Date: 13 Sep 2000 07:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20000913141051.1457.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Sep 2000 14:10:51 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Sep 2000 07:10:51 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Group Ride Guidelines > > What we typically do on group rides that involve > rookies is have them ride at the back of the pack- > Matt: thanks for the article. this is what we're aiming for on the next ride. Each time we do these rides, we learn a little more on how to safely operate them while having fun. RR2 turned up a lot more people than expected, so we were caught a little off-guard. For RR3 I already have three other people planning on leading groups, that way we can have smaller groups and space them out a little more. I think this will work much better this time. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 10:26:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1501.mail.yahoo.com (web1501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DEQBH28032 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6835 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2000 14:26:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000913142608.6834.qmail@web1501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.174.166.144] by web1501.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:26:08 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristina Rogish Subject: Re: ride for kids? To: DAN KENNEY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I dunno... what is it? I haven't heard of it. what's the deal? --- DAN KENNEY wrote: > Anyone going on the ride for kids this sunday in columbia > MD? > > Dan Kenney > Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public > profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 10:28:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DESlH28106 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000913142836.5291.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.193] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:28:36 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: GPS? To: Dan Brown , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dan- I haven't bought one yet but have done a little research.. My previous research had me leaning towards the Garmin... Being the dominant GPS manufacturer in the market virtually insures the availability of parts and accessories... There might have been some "memory" issues between the two as well...I think the StreetPilot allowed you to download maps via memory cartrigdes buy my recollection is a little vague at this time.. some info on the subject: http://www.gpsriders.com/ some good prices: http://www.tvnav.com/navhome.html -Corbett --- Dan Brown wrote: > > which do people prefer: > > Street-pilot, eMap or??? > > If I had the $$'s right now, I think I'd be leaning > towards the eMap. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 10:35:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DEZvH28261 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.57.b19ab68 (3966) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:35:41 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <57.b19ab68.26f0eabc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:35:40 EDT Subject: Re: GPS? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Thought I'd mention another option - If you have a palm pilot or a Windoz CE powered PDA, check out www.delorme.com. I have their "Earthmate" GPS receiver hooked to my palm and it's pretty nice. You do all your route planning and map making on the PC using their "Street Atlas USA" product (Which is *excellent*) and then download the maps to your palm/PDA. You get real-time mapping, route directions, etc. I've had it for about 2 years now, and have been very happy with the whole package. If you don't already have a PDA, this is not the cheapest route to go... if you were thinking about getting one, this is a pretty good excuse :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 11:22:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DFMwH29058 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22280 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:22:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Ride Guidelines In-Reply-To: <20000913141051.1457.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > What we typically do on group rides that involve > rookies is have them ride at the back of the pack- ... > behind can catch up. The key thing for experienced > riders to stress here is that it's totally ok to > maintain a less than rapid pace while you learn the > ropes. Once the pressure to impress is removed from > the equation, newer riders can ride at the pace most > conducive to learning. And that's good for everyone > involved. FWIW, Having ridden rides with various levels of experienced riders -- myself being one of the less experienced more often than not, as I've not consistantly had a bike for most of the last 10yrs (though have managed to ride no less than a 15 different bikes in that time [1])... I have enjoyed being on rides having an experienced lead and an experienced sweep, preferably with some means of communication between them. The leader sets a reasonable pace -- the riders in the middle ride their own ride. The Sweep rider(s) take their time and don't over-run the rookies, but are available if there's ever trouble. It seems to work well if the lead rider takes the twisty stuff at a "Fun" pace (read faster), then slows on the straights. "Stop and collect" should be done at any route changes (eg, when you turn a corner or enter/exit a highway, etc). Reasonable spacing should be maintained -- ALWAYS -- and passing should be kept to a minimum. When done, safe, signaled passes should be made. All of this gives the less experienced riders the lee-way to not feel pushed on the hard parts and to be able to catch up on the easier parts and not worry about getting lost at turns. Anyhow, this is as much my opinion as anything. I've been on rides like this and enjoy them... the leads enjoy them too, since they can push through the twisties and not feel too bogged down by novices. I always feel like my abilities get better if I have a comfortable environment to ride in. [1] The list: Honda '76 CB750k - bought in 1990, sold in 1995 Honda '81 CB750c - Friends bike Honda '72? CB500 - Friends bike Honda Silverwing - Friends bike Honda Rebel 250 - 2 different Friends' bikes Suzuki 350 - Friends bike [2] Suzuki GS450L - Friends bike Honda '92 VFR 750 - Friends bike [3] Yamaha Radian - Friends bike Moto Guzi - Friends Bike [4] Honda Hurricane - Friends Bike Honda Magna - Friends Bike Yamaha FJ1200 - Bought 1996, sold 1998 [5] Honda XX1100 - Friends Bike [6] [2] Great bike 3 cyl, 2 stroke - took it apart, replaced most of the top end and put back together in an afternoon, started on the first try. [3] Soon to be mine :-) [4] Never again. [5] Great bike. Piggish, but tons of torque. [6] Big and top-heavy, but nimble at speed -- of which it has plenty!!! -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 11:24:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DFOGH29078 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11677 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 08:24:08 -0700 Date: 13 Sep 2000 08:24:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20000913152408.11676.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Sep 2000 15:24:08 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Sep 2000 08:24:08 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Our New Web Site ******DO NOT REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL. Where you send your information is listed at the bottom.****** We're getting ready to begin creating our new Web site, so we need your help...As a start, we are going to have the following sections on the site: Upcoming events pictures route sheets by state good m/c roads list members bios w/ e-mail contact info (if they want them up) Lessons learned section newbies section (answers to questions newbies might have) DC Cycles racers etiquette and signals for group rides for sale (moto and non-moto) Don't send anything yet regarding ride routes or for sale sections...we're still deciding on the format of those. if you want to send information regarding any of the other sections, I have set up a hotmail address to keep the list from being flooded with all of this stuff. Send an e-mail with the information you want provided on the site to dccwebsite@XXXXXX if you have any questions, let me know. We're looking forward to getting lots of great stuff. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 11:42:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DFg5H29420 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000913154142.BRUI27598.fortune.excite.com@prickles> for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:41:42 -0700 Message-ID: <11491156.968859702034.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: It's ba-ack! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.13 I may have to put off buying that sprint st for a while....... http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/news.asp?page=Latest+News&id=1076 _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 11:50:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DFoIH29590 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04472 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:50:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000913114703.00c62f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:50:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Our New Web Site In-Reply-To: <20000913152408.11676.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:24 AM 9/13/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >We're getting ready to begin creating our new Web site, so we need your >help...As a start, we are going to have the following sections on the site: I would like to say thanks for those of you working on the new site. We have always had a very basic site. The Yahoo! club gave us some functionality, but no real web presence. I think its a great idea. At some point, I would like to move the archives into a database. I may start downloading the old gzips and work on a script to split them so they can be more easily searched. The VFR list archives a re a tremendous resource. The dc-cycles archives can be too! Then I can look up old hand gun laws more easily ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 12:06:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DG6PH29864 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 12539 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 09:06:19 -0700 Date: 13 Sep 2000 09:06:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20000913160619.12538.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Sep 2000 16:06:19 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Sep 2000 09:06:19 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Our New Web Site > > I would like to say thanks for those of you working on the new site. > No problem. Is should be very cool once it's done! :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 12:10:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DGA8H29878 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06595; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:04:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: Our New Web Site Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:10:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000913114703.00c62f00@mail.wheatintl.com> I'm working on putting the website together and Laura is working on collecting content for it. I'm hoping to make the site fairly comprehensive, both answering common questions from the list (dc parking, mailing-list info, etc.) and presenting consistently varying content such as a chat forum and calendar of events. Presenting the old archives in a database format is something that would be a HUGE convenience to list members. I know a little about database integration and hope to learn more, but if you have particular expertise in this area, we'd love to get your help. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Our New Web Site At 11:24 AM 9/13/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >We're getting ready to begin creating our new Web site, so we need your >help...As a start, we are going to have the following sections on the site: I would like to say thanks for those of you working on the new site. We have always had a very basic site. The Yahoo! club gave us some functionality, but no real web presence. I think its a great idea. At some point, I would like to move the archives into a database. I may start downloading the old gzips and work on a script to split them so they can be more easily searched. The VFR list archives a re a tremendous resource. The dc-cycles archives can be too! Then I can look up old hand gun laws more easily ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 12:29:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f238.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.238]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DGTJH00314 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:29:09 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:29:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: krogish@XXXXXX, dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ride for kids? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:29:09 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 16:29:09.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE432190:01C01D9F] It's a charity ride supporting the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation. Here's a link for more info: http://www.ride4kids.org/ It's this Sunday starting at Columbia Mall. FYI >From: Kristina Rogish >To: DAN KENNEY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: ride for kids? >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:26:08 -0700 (PDT) > >I dunno... what is it? I haven't heard of it. what's the >deal? > >--- DAN KENNEY wrote: > > Anyone going on the ride for kids this sunday in columbia > > MD? > > > > Dan Kenney > > Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public > > profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 12:35:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DGZ7H00495 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08571 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06630 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA25920 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:44:15 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point info needed...Brian? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:34:35 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01c01da0$80c8f3c0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Can anyone give me the frequency the 2-ways transmit on at Summit Point? It would be very handy Monday since I'm filming and taking photos. If it's something not normally given out, you can email me below. If I need to get it from Summit Point, I can call Bill Scott. I will not distribute the information. If I get enough footage, I will try to make a tape for those who want it. It's a lot easier to film if you have a heads up to problems going on. Gary Foreman fj1100@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 12:42:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DGggH00586 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08602 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06809 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23555; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max2h-196.his.com [216.32.85.196]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA20666; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000913124229.0124be3c@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:42:32 -0700 To: "Gary Foreman" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit Point info needed...Brian? Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:34 PM 9/13/00 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone give me the frequency the 2-ways transmit on at Summit Point? It >would be very handy Monday since I'm filming and taking photos. If it's >something not normally given out, you can email me below. If I need to get >it from Summit Point, I can call Bill Scott. I will not distribute the >information. If I get enough footage, I will try to make a tape for those >who want it. It's a lot easier to film if you have a heads up to problems >going on. You can get this info from the MARRC info booth. You are not allowed to transmit, so bring a scanner only. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 12:48:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DGmcH00675 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08623 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07008 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA26270; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:57:59 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Stephen Harris" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Summit Point info needed...Brian? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: <006601c01da2$6b904ba0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <3.0.32.20000913124229.0124be3c@his.com> Importance: Normal Yes, scanner is all I have...okay, I have one that I can vector a 747 in with, but it's limited to aviation freq. :-) . I'll stop by the booth Sunday and get what I need. Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:43 PM > To: Gary Foreman > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Summit Point info needed...Brian? > > > At 12:34 PM 9/13/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Can anyone give me the frequency the 2-ways transmit on at > Summit Point? It > >would be very handy Monday since I'm filming and taking photos. If it's > >something not normally given out, you can email me below. If I > need to get > >it from Summit Point, I can call Bill Scott. I will not distribute the > >information. If I get enough footage, I will try to make a tape > for those > >who want it. It's a lot easier to film if you have a heads up > to problems > >going on. > > > > You can get this info from the MARRC info booth. You are > not allowed to > transmit, so bring a scanner only. > > S > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 12:49:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DGn8H00685 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08628 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07026 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA26289 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:58:39 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Possibly the LAST Cycle Sport Track Day! Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:48:58 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c01da2$832ac6a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal We were told at last nights safety meeting for Monday's "Cycle Sport Track Day" that it may be the last. This is due to the fact that Joe who runs the event for Cycle Sport is going back to school, and there is no one else willing to take this enormous task on. This is so unfortunate, as it gave many people who don't normally race, a taste of the track. I have been there with friends for many years, and I have to say it is very well run, with safety in mind. Many thanks from me to Joe for all his hard work. Gary Foreman fj1100@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:03:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DI3lH01979 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DI3cq26609 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:03:39 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Speed Pass Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c01dac$a7baee00$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Has anyone heard of the toll road transponders (i.e.speed-pass, etc.) being used to verify speed over a particular distance? I was hoping it was just an urban legend, but a search of the archives came up empty, so I thought I'd ask. Apparently, the system in New Jersey logs the transponder readings at both ends of the toll passage and if the time difference is too low, their mail the owner a speeding ticket. It seems plausible, but incredibly Orwellian. I read about it on another list and wanted to know if anyone else had come across this. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DIDeH02148 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.87.981249 (3966) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:13:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <87.981249.26f11dc3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:13:23 EDT Subject: Re: Speed Pass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/13/00 2:06:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > Has anyone heard of the toll road transponders (i.e.speed-pass, etc.) being > used to verify speed over a particular distance? I was hoping it was just > an urban legend, but a search of the archives came up empty, so I thought > I'd ask. Apparently, the system in New Jersey logs the transponder readings > at both ends of the toll passage and if the time difference is too low, > their mail the owner a speeding ticket. It seems plausible, but incredibly > Orwellian. I read about it on another list and wanted to know if anyone > else had come across this. I would say this is a myth. Anyone who received one of these tickets would immediately throw the thing out the window. Or... get two and switch mid-travel (Being an evil genius is tough sometimes...). If they are spending all the money to set up the system and promote it, I doubt they'd do anything to detract from it. Public backlash would also be extreme - you'd have heard about it on channel 4. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:24:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DIOKH02307 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user187.anent.com [208.195.115.187]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02738 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:21:27 -0400 Message-ID: <00f701c01daf$6a40fc60$bb73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" References: <001e01c01dac$a7baee00$770810ac@cedric> Subject: Re: Speed Pass Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:21:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 I don't know about measuring over distance but I do know for a fact that the FasToll/SmarTag system on the Dulles Greenway/Tollroad records how fast you go through the toll booth. I don't see any way they could sucessfully prosecute for speeding. If that was the case they'd be doing it on the PA Turnpike and other large toll roads, with or without transponders. (BTW, Speed Pass is for Mobil gas stations, not toll roads.) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cedric Bernescut" > Has anyone heard of the toll road transponders (i.e.speed-pass, etc.) being > used to verify speed over a particular distance? I was hoping it was just > an urban legend, but a search of the archives came up empty, so I thought > I'd ask. Apparently, the system in New Jersey logs the transponder readings > at both ends of the toll passage and if the time difference is too low, > their mail the owner a speeding ticket. It seems plausible, but incredibly > Orwellian. I read about it on another list and wanted to know if anyone > else had come across this. > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:29:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DITwH02415 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G0U00I018PMPA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G0U00GLG8PM82@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G0U005018L9AC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G0U005018KK49@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com ([166.37.214.7]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G0U00JMD8KF6U@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:26:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20000913182915.RVCI787@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:29:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:28:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Speed Pass To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39BFC74E.DB205A45@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <87.981249.26f11dc3@aol.com> BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > I would say this is a myth. Anyone who received one of these tickets would > immediately throw the thing out the window. Or... get two and switch > mid-travel (Being an evil genius is tough sometimes...). OK genius, how do you turn off a transponder? Somehow I can see you getting charged for *both* transponders if you run through the speed pass booth... :) Just guessing here, haven't had any experience playing with the speed pass things (thankfully). Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:35:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DIZ5H02600 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id t.62.7211394 (3966); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:34:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <62.7211394.26f122c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:34:42 EDT Subject: Re: Speed Pass To: the.horskster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/13/00 2:31:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the.horskster@XXXXXX writes: > OK genius, how do you turn off a transponder? Somehow I can see > you getting charged for *both* transponders if you run through > the speed pass booth... :) Oh common - that's an easy one. It's a passive system. Aluminum foil would pretty much take care of the problem... or a lunch box... Anything that shields RF. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:39:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DIcwH02659 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000913183851.29424.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:38:51 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Speed Pass To: Dale Horstman , BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pretty simple Dale, stick it in one of those computer board metallic baggies. Seriously, I have both the SmarTag and the EZ-Pass for NJ/NY and they tell you to stick the one you don't use back in the bag to prevent confusing the system. But in all honesty you don't even need to do that, the glove box is enough to block it. Glenn --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > OK genius, how do you turn off a transponder? > Somehow I can see > you getting charged for *both* transponders if you > run through > the speed pass booth... :) > > Just guessing here, haven't had any experience > playing with the > speed pass things (thankfully). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:45:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f305.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.180]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DIjSH02857 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:45:21 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:45:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed Pass Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:45:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 18:45:21.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4D8CA60:01C01DB2] Really?? It records how fast you go through the toll? Yikes! I think I may be getting some mail pretty soon then. D'oh! Rob '98 VFR800 >From: "Bruce Norton" >To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" >Subject: Re: Speed Pass >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:21:00 -0400 > >I don't know about measuring over distance but I do know for a fact that >the >FasToll/SmarTag system on the Dulles Greenway/Tollroad records how fast you >go >through the toll booth. > >I don't see any way they could sucessfully prosecute for speeding. If that >was >the case they'd be doing it on the PA Turnpike and other large toll roads, >with >or without transponders. > >(BTW, Speed Pass is for Mobil gas stations, not toll roads.) > >Bruce > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cedric Bernescut" > > > Has anyone heard of the toll road transponders (i.e.speed-pass, etc.) >being > > used to verify speed over a particular distance? I was hoping it was >just > > an urban legend, but a search of the archives came up empty, so I >thought > > I'd ask. Apparently, the system in New Jersey logs the transponder >readings > > at both ends of the toll passage and if the time difference is too low, > > their mail the owner a speeding ticket. It seems plausible, but >incredibly > > Orwellian. I read about it on another list and wanted to know if anyone > > else had come across this. > > Cedric > > 1996 CBR600F3 > > AMA 663626 > > Annandale, VA > > > > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:45:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DIjeH02867 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22636 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 11:45:30 -0700 Date: 13 Sep 2000 11:45:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20000913184530.22635.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Sep 2000 18:45:30 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Sep 2000 11:45:30 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: the.horskster@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Speed Pass > > > > OK genius, how do you turn off a transponder? > Also, in my experience, that puppy doesn't like to be turned the wrong direction either... LAG > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:56:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DIuWH02977 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Sep 13 11:56:07 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:56:07 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Speed Pass X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > >> Has anyone heard of the toll road transponders (i.e.speed-pass, etc.) being >> used to verify speed over a particular distance? Yes and no. NJ cops in particular are salivating at the prospect of using the data to issue sight-unseen speeding tickets.However, to date the companies to whom this data belongs have not been willing to disclose it, and have said that they would fight any such effort in the courts. It remains to be seen, however, how aggressively they might fight especially if say they get a 30% take on the tickets... Combining commercialism/greed with law enforcement is one DEADLY combination. But unfortuntately I suspect it's going to become all the more common. After all, you shouldn't be breaking the law in the first place, so what have you to fear? I would welcome the day that the Supreme Court made any such deals like this illegal as hell. (NOTE: I'm a Libertarian so I don't for one second believe that poppycock, just saying the line before someone else spouts it as the "rational thing." It's the same as "what's so wrong with "safe" handguns...theme.) theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:57:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DIvIH03051 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22843 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 11:57:12 -0700 Date: 13 Sep 2000 11:57:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20000913185712.22842.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Sep 2000 18:57:12 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Sep 2000 11:57:11 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: robkeiser@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Speed Pass but I do know for a fact that > >the > >FasToll/SmarTag system on the Dulles Greenway/Tollroad records how fast you go through the toll booth > Huh? uh...uh...how do you know that? Let's just put it this way...I know people don't go through at 10 mph!!!! I assume there is a reason for this...but they couldn't do too much...right? :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 14:57:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smyk.apk.net (smyk.apk.net [207.54.158.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DIvhH03061 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (IDENT:T5r0NoG4eafNu2Hy1c40JQLGBLS7QHsV@XXXXXX [207.54.158.20]) by smyk.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5a) with ESMTP id e8DIkjx14523; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/rchk1.22) id e8DIkd803013; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:46:35 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: Bruce Norton Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org E-mail\"" Subject: Re: Speed Pass Message-ID: <20000913144634.A2242@kleks.org> References: <001e01c01dac$a7baee00$770810ac@cedric> <00f701c01daf$6a40fc60$bb73c3d0@bruce> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <00f701c01daf$6a40fc60$bb73c3d0@bruce>; from Bruce Norton on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 02:21:00PM -0400 * Bruce Norton (bnorton@XXXXXX) [000913 14:37]: > I don't know about measuring over distance but I do know for a fact that the > FasToll/SmarTag system on the Dulles Greenway/Tollroad records how fast you go > through the toll booth. > > I don't see any way they could sucessfully prosecute for speeding. If that was > the case they'd be doing it on the PA Turnpike and other large toll roads, with > or without transponders. > AFAIK, they do it in England, and _maybe_ some other places in Europe. Yes, it sucks... so the rule is to refuel and take a leak just before leaving tollway. > (BTW, Speed Pass is for Mobil gas stations, not toll roads.) > > Bruce > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 15:11:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DJBZH03277 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user187.anent.com [208.195.115.187]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03317 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:08:31 -0400 Message-ID: <013501c01db5$fe9900a0$bb73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20000913185712.22842.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: Speed Pass Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:08:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 I know because I was on the phone with them sorting out an intermittant transponder and the person on the phone says: "I see here on the computer that you went through toll booth gate #X at XX:XXpm at XXmph." They know which gate you went through, what time it was and exactly how fast you were going. No shit. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" > but I do know for a fact that > > >the > > >FasToll/SmarTag system on the Dulles Greenway/Tollroad records how fast you go through the toll booth > > > > Huh? uh...uh...how do you know that? Let's just put it this way...I know people don't go through at 10 mph!!!! I assume there is a reason for this...but they couldn't do too much...right? :-) > > LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 15:20:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DJKLH03502 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31946 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:20:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed Pass In-Reply-To: <20000913144634.A2242@kleks.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > AFAIK, they do it in England, and _maybe_ some other places in Europe. > Yes, it sucks... so the rule is to refuel and take a leak just before > leaving tollway. > What we need is group coordination, an extra speed pass, and a locker at a rest-stop someplace. Keep the "extra" speed pass there, change out yours for the one thats sitting there any time you've pushed the limit.... Or, a gun to just shoot the transciever at the toll booth. (:)) ^^^ Smiley wearing a full face helmet -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 15:21:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DJLCH03512 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA29929 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:30:44 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Speed Pass Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:20:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00a401c01db7$b7168160$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <013501c01db5$fe9900a0$bb73c3d0@bruce> Importance: Normal Perhaps they can see me giving them the finger next time :-) Why do they record it? I think I know. The control arm came down and hit my wife's windshield one day. It didn't do any damage, but when I called they said she was exceeding the 10mph speed limit, and they aren't repsonsible. Try slowing down to 10mph during rush hour in the speedpass only lane...someone will run over your ass. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Norton [mailto:bnorton@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:08 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Speed Pass > > > I know because I was on the phone with them sorting out an intermittant > transponder and the person on the phone says: "I see here on the > computer that > you went through toll booth gate #X at XX:XXpm at XXmph." > > They know which gate you went through, what time it was and > exactly how fast > you were going. > > No shit. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LAURA GRANATO" > > > but I do know for a fact that > > > >the > > > >FasToll/SmarTag system on the Dulles Greenway/Tollroad > records how fast > you go through the toll booth > > > > > > > Huh? uh...uh...how do you know that? Let's just put it this > way...I know > people don't go through at 10 mph!!!! I assume there is a reason for > this...but they couldn't do too much...right? :-) > > > > LAG > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 15:26:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rmx325-mta.mail.com (rmx325-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DJQVH03535 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web444-ec.mail.com (web444-ec.mail.com [165.251.32.99]) by rmx325-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03419 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <382247610.968872946282.JavaMail.root@web444-ec.mail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:22:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Subject: Jackets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-WM-FaxTo: X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 192.5.27.136 Hey all. I'm looking for thoughts/advice on Cordura vs Perfed leather jackets. Specifically, on the comfort zone. (I've already made up my mind on safety, thank you.) Anyone have any thoughts at what temp a perfed leather jacket becomes an icebox? Does a vest liner help that much? OTOH, when does a cordura riding jacket turn into a sauna around here? TIA Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 15:55:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DJtKH04038 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0U00HB1CNIPV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:55:08 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:54:45 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Jackets To: "'Todd Rittershausen'" , DC Cycles Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF84@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I like my perforated Vanson "Challenger" as the holes work well, but wouldn't recommend their products. Vanson's leathers are expensive (I didn't know any better when I bought mine) and they are short on features. You can only get jackets from them that zip to pants in the back, not all of the way around. (Which means you can't put together a suit if you get into racing - I hear to race the pieces have got to zip all of the way around) Also, the zipper in the back is a different size from what looks to be the standard for every other manufacture. This means that another brand of pants won't zip to the jacket. (unlike what looks to be every other case) Also, the Vanson stuff does NOT come with any armor at all, you have to buy it extra. I've seen products from other vendors that did. Hope this helps you (sorry it didn't really address any of your questions), or someone else. I was looking at pants today, and just realized all of this. It came as a surprise and I'm a bit pissed. I kinda feel that I got ripped off $450 bucks for the jacket since it doesn't work well with pants. (Well, I could buy their pants, for another $450 and have a suit that only zips in the back and is only good on the street... That mean $900 invested and I'll need new leathers if I get into racing.) -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:22 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Jackets Hey all. I'm looking for thoughts/advice on Cordura vs Perfed leather jackets. Specifically, on the comfort zone. (I've already made up my mind on safety, thank you.) Anyone have any thoughts at what temp a perfed leather jacket becomes an icebox? Does a vest liner help that much? OTOH, when does a cordura riding jacket turn into a sauna around here? TIA Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 16:01:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DK1SH04195 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000913200116.17896.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:01:16 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Speed Pass To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly what's happening with those red light cameras. Can't remember which company installed them but they get a big chunk of the revenue. Glenn --- Matthew Patton wrote: > Combining commercialism/greed with law enforcement > is one DEADLY combination. But unfortuntately I > suspect it's going to become all the more common. > After all, you shouldn't be breaking the law in the > first place, so what have you to fear? I would > welcome the day that the Supreme Court made any such > deals like this illegal as hell. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 16:03:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DK3MH04216 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8A55@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Ledford, Calvin'" , "'Todd Rittershausen'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Jackets Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:52:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hmmm....not sure I agree with you. Vanson street leathers are the best. The armor you do buy is much better than the foam the is 'included' in cheaper stuff. But, you really can't race with zip-together leathers anyway, right racers? At least its very inadvisable, as one crash can rip those zippers apart really quick. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Ledford, Calvin [SMTP:cledford@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:55 PM > To: 'Todd Rittershausen'; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Jackets > > I like my perforated Vanson "Challenger" as the holes work well, but > wouldn't recommend their products. Vanson's leathers are expensive (I > didn't know any better when I bought mine) and they are short on features. > You can only get jackets from them that zip to pants in the back, not all > of > the way around. (Which means you can't put together a suit if you get into > racing - I hear to race the pieces have got to zip all of the way around) > Also, the zipper in the back is a different size from what looks to be the > standard for every other manufacture. This means that another brand of > pants won't zip to the jacket. (unlike what looks to be every other case) > Also, the Vanson stuff does NOT come with any armor at all, you have to > buy > it extra. I've seen products from other vendors that did. > > Hope this helps you (sorry it didn't really address any of your > questions), > or someone else. I was looking at pants today, and just realized all of > this. It came as a surprise and I'm a bit pissed. I kinda feel that I > got > ripped off $450 bucks for the jacket since it doesn't work well with > pants. > (Well, I could buy their pants, for another $450 and have a suit that only > zips in the back and is only good on the street... That mean $900 invested > and I'll need new leathers if I get into racing.) > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:22 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Jackets > > > Hey all. I'm looking for thoughts/advice on Cordura vs Perfed leather > jackets. Specifically, on the comfort zone. (I've already made up my > mind > on safety, thank you.) Anyone have any thoughts at what temp a perfed > leather jacket becomes an icebox? Does a vest liner help that much? > OTOH, > when does a cordura riding jacket turn into a sauna around here? TIA > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `83 V65 Magna - Falcon > `80 CX-500C > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 16:22:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DKLsH04537 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0U00HLJDVRPV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:21:41 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:21:21 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Jackets To: "'Mkitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'etrigan@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF86@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain Not being a racer I can't say how advisable a 2 piece might or might not be, But I know I saw that you could use full zips... I have to admit that the leather used by Vanson is top quality, but how does a vendor get away with partial zippers, and propritary at that and claim to be the shit like they do? Calvin W. Ledford Cable & Wireless cledford@XXXXXX 703-292-2224 -------------------------------------------- Sent from my Blackberry wireless device -------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 16:31:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DKUoH04709 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G0U00001E97UV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:29:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G0U00LHKE97I1@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:29:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G0U00501E20ZY@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:25:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G0U00501E20ZV@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:25:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com ([166.37.204.5]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G0U0045ME1JMT@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:24:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07.05 118-131) with ESMTP id <20000913202950.PUVX766@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:29:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:29:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Jackets To: Todd Rittershausen Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <39BFE393.CF027F22@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <382247610.968872946282.JavaMail.root@web444-ec.mail.com> Todd Rittershausen wrote: > OTOH, when does a cordura riding jacket turn into a sauna around here? TIA About 85 degrees behind a big fairing. :( Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 16:31:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DKVUH04719 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from klingon (10.10.10.190 [10.10.10.190]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id SZM0YS71; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: <01c901c01dc1$7ca70c70$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: "DC Cycles" References: <382247610.968872946282.JavaMail.root@web444-ec.mail.com> Subject: Re: Jackets Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:30:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I've got a Tour Master cordura jacket and an agv 2 piece perfed suit. I think the cordura is a lot hotter than my agv suit. Even if it wasn't perfed, the suit would be cooler than the cordura, maybe because the cordura doesn't breath (it's water resistant) and the suit is light colored and the cordura is black. In any case I start to sweat at 75-80 in the cordura and lower than that in direct sunlight. I'm sure it'll be better when it gets cold and I can zip in, but for this summer and the recent cool weather I've worn my perfed agv jacket with a windbreaker underneath and have been really comfortable. The only other times cordura wins out is if it rains, but in an emergency you can just zip the windbreaker over the leather and get some water resistance (haven't been caught in the rain too much). Having both is good, since I can always take the cordura if it's damp, or cold, and the leathers otherwise. han ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: Jackets > Hey all. I'm looking for thoughts/advice on Cordura vs Perfed leather > jackets. Specifically, on the comfort zone. (I've already made up my mind > on safety, thank you.) Anyone have any thoughts at what temp a perfed > leather jacket becomes an icebox? Does a vest liner help that much? OTOH, > when does a cordura riding jacket turn into a sauna around here? TIA > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `83 V65 Magna - Falcon > `80 CX-500C > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 16:57:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DKvcH05148 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G0U00D01FJFX2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:57:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G0U00D4OFJFO1@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:57:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G0U00001FJFL7@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:57:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G0U00001FJ6JT@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:57:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com ([166.37.214.10]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G0U00JB5FJ4LO@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:57:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <20000913205704.TESE783@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:57:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:57:01 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Jackets To: Han Park Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <39BFEA1D.F070A705@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <382247610.968872946282.JavaMail.root@web444-ec.mail.com> <01c901c01dc1$7ca70c70$be0a0a0a@XXXXXX> Han Park wrote: > > The only other times cordura wins out is if it rains, You know, my old non-moto leather jacket actually did pretty good in a light rain. It soaked up some water and got a little heavy, and once wet took a full day or two to dry out, but I never really got *wet* underneath while wearing it. Might have to dust it off, bring it out of the closet, and do some back to back comparisons next time it gets hot out, too. Horkster (wears cordura, but misses leather - sometimes) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 17:08:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f125.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DL8RH05379 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:07:59 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:07:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Ride Guidelines Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:07:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 21:07:59.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[B23239A0:01C01DC6] >It's also a good idea to have at least one rider in >each group carry a cell phone just in case. Ideally there should be an experienced rider in front and rear, both with some means of communication.... A cell phone and bike to bike intercom capable of covering several miles is ideal. I've found that cell phone coverage in some of my favorite riding areas is spotty. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 17:26:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DLQ3H05636 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.168.221.133]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39BFF0F4.21C3B871@cox.rr.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:26:12 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Gloves and Protection Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a pair of the standard Olympia medium weight gloves, the ones that every shop sells. How much protection are they? I put on a nice pair of Held 2273 gloves, which were more comfortable but not enough so to justify the $$$. If they're substantially safer, I'll spend the cash anyway. Advice? Thanks, Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 17:37:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DLbaH05885 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Sep 13 14:36:42 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:36:42 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Jackets X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Joe Rocket Bulldog (leather perf) so I can at least weigh in on part of this. Remember when we got that cold snap last week? Riding in the 50's and 60's was definately a bit too cold at 65mph. The bad part about this jacket is that there is no high collar (big minus in cold weather) and the zipper has no weather protection - the wind blows right through. I put the vest liner in the 2nd day with basically no effect since the vest is split right at the zipper as well. I put my raingear on, that did wonders for keeping wind out. But my raingear is a bit awkward to get into so I tried other solutions. 1. I wore a light windbreaker/jogging suit top (nylon) INSIDE my leathers to much better effect. It had a weather flap. 2. wore a Pearl Izumi wind vest (highly wind resistant fabric in front with mesh back material) Worked pretty well so that I could ride around an hour or two without getting chilled. did nothing for my arms which have large sections of fabric in the inside of the elbow for cooling. Wouldn't wear it below 50 degrees for very long but will do in a pinch. 3. got a WinStopper (tm) jacet from Performance Bike for $80. Still has no weather flaps around the zipper but is supposed to be windproof (as opposed to resistant). Trying it out tonight unless it's hot out there (been inside all day no idea what weather is outside...) 4. Wear my winter bicyle pull-over. It's a Trek apparel piece made of WindStopper, and Nylon but it's kind of big and cut wrong to fit under the leathers (hense #3). The critical piece in most of this is finding something with a high collar to make up for the lack of one on my leathers. In serious cold I have my fleece bicycle neck warmer which can go half-way up my face should I want it up there on those 10 degree days that I used to ride. My concern at this point is going to be my hands. I used to freeze them off even with heavy gloves and of course a hot blood supply from riding at 18+mph for 45 minutes. ON a bike, you're not generating that kind of heat and you're subject to far more effective wind-chill. I'm going to Canada, VT, Boston, and UP Michigan in early October so i figure my gear will get used one way or another. Ok, for summer. I wore my full leather outfit every single ride regardless of temp. This includes 99% humidity and 90's while in South Florida to what passed this year for summer in DC. Sure it's hot. Sure I sweated a fair bit but water is cheap and now I've got a Camelbak so I can drink any time I want. Once you're riding at anything over 35mph the heat really doesn't matter since the jacket did a nice job of keeping me reasonably cool. ONly exception was in Georgia, blazing sun and steaming road. I felt hot there for a while until it got into the afternoon. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 18:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DM8fH06346 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id l.b2.a94cacf (3890); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:08:25 EDT Subject: Re: Low speed crash To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > I'm not being a smart ass... I don't even know if the kickstart will > have enough oomph to start that way? i'd assume yes? You would assume wrongly. Thumpers tend to need a hefty kick to get them spinning. For me, this equates to straightening my leg and putting my whole (not insignificant) weight into the kick. Holding the clutch in only works with a primary kick system. If I have the SRX on a ride and you're there, I'll be glad to introduce you the joys of kickstarting. Perhaps Mr. Crishock will provide a seminat on Lucas electrics ;-) Michael (certified Old Fart) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 18:09:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DM9lH06356 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.62.7220099 (3890) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <62.7220099.26f15520@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:09:36 EDT Subject: Re: GPS? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > I have maps - easy to read, lightwieght, takes up very little space, no > batterys required, and free updates available at every state welcome center. > Cost $0. That's all well and good, Bill, but it's sooooo low tech. Michael (Inspector Gadget) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 18:14:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DMEsH06471 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.7b.9855847 (3890) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:14:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7b.9855847.26f15648@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:14:32 EDT Subject: Re: Speed Pass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > OK genius, how do you turn off a transponder? Somehow I can see > you getting charged for *both* transponders if you run through > the speed pass booth... :) Shield it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 19:18:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8DNIQH07547 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-18.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.146]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06803 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C03664.CF3C650E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:22:28 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap shooting References: <200009130742.AA191758698@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not defending the actions of the m/c-ist in question, but I have to wonder how a motorcycle can run a truck off the road??? Chuck Chris Norloff wrote : > > `` Well, we went on up the mountain with the motorcycles following us. There were two gaps (between vehicles) behind me and the motorcycles started passing around those hairpin curves. One of them almost ran me off the road trying to pass so I closed up the gap in front of me. I thought that would make them wait for a safe stretch to pass. > > `` All of a sudden I looked out and one of them was cutting in front of me, ran me over into the guard rail. I yelled `You crazy thing, get on out of here' and they went on,'' Harrison said. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 22:29:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8E2TYH10838 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (pool180-209.patriot.net [209.249.180.209]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11952; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01c01df3$87b33120$d1b4f9d1@oemcomputer> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Todd Rittershausen" , "DC Cycles" References: <382247610.968872946282.JavaMail.root@web444-ec.mail.com> Subject: Re: Jackets Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:28:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I have a Teknic perforated leather jacket (and perforated leather pants) that zip together in the back. I also have a First Gear Kenya cordura jacket with vents. From what I've experienced, the cordura jacket is more versatile for a wide variety of temperatures. The leather has a much narrower range of comfort, thanks to peforations and lack of a liner. I'd say the leather is comfortable from about 60 deg. to about 90 deg. The cordura has a comfort range (for me) of about 40 degrees to 100 degrees, depending on how many vents are open or closed. I would, however, recommend getting leather anyway if you plan to "go scratchin'." If you buy a perf'ed leather jacket that has a liner, you'll probably get a similar comfort range as the cordura jacket I mentioned above, with the added peace of mind of full leather protection. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: Jackets > Hey all. I'm looking for thoughts/advice on Cordura vs Perfed leather > jackets. Specifically, on the comfort zone. (I've already made up my mind > on safety, thank you.) Anyone have any thoughts at what temp a perfed > leather jacket becomes an icebox? Does a vest liner help that much? OTOH, > when does a cordura riding jacket turn into a sauna around here? TIA > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `83 V65 Magna - Falcon > `80 CX-500C > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Sep 13 22:56:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8E2unH11248 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.a9.b00b705 (3944) for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:56:37 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:56:37 EDT Subject: Re: Jackets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << If you buy a perf'ed leather jacket that has a liner, >> I have a Vanson Cobra...it is perf'ed but has close off "curtains" inside so you can block off the holes if you need to. Combined with my collared electric vest makes for much comfort in a variety of temps. Just my .02 Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 00:32:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8E4WJH12867 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15993 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 21:31:36 -0700 Received: from PPPa80-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.237) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 13 Sep 2000 21:31:36 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 04:31:36 GMT Message-ID: <001901c01e04$a52d8460$ed7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: let's try this... Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:31:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Let's try and gather information for the site one section at a time...some people seemed to be a little bit overwhelmed by my asking for too many things at once...just reply to this e-mail...We've got lots of sections, so this should keep us all busy for a while...TIA for all who help contribute information! So, all...tell me...what lessons have you learned in your career on motorcycles? ::envisioning all of the interesting replies I'll get:: Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 06:15:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EAFgH19153 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8EAFdI4544350 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C0A532.282DDFC@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:15:14 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Gloves and Protection References: <39BFF0F4.21C3B871@cox.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Meyer wrote: > > I have a pair of the standard Olympia medium weight gloves, the ones > that every shop sells. How much protection are they? Better than bare skin, but not much more. > I put on a nice > pair of Held 2273 gloves, which were more comfortable but not enough so > to justify the $$$. If they're substantially safer, I'll spend the cash > anyway. Advice? FWIW, MCN did a glove comparison a while back that I used as a benchmark for advice on my glove purchase. They ranked the Kushitani sp(?) #1, for about $200 or so a pair. 2nd was the Z Custom Deer skin gloves for $80.00/pair - I bought them & they're great. They're without a doubt the most comfy hand holders I've had. Thankfully, I can't personally speak to their impact or abrasion resistance, bu the magazine felt both were excellent. HTH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 07:01:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EB1oH19798 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000914110143.18015.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:01:43 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Speed Pass To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Has anyone heard of the toll road transponders (i.e.speed-pass, etc.) being > used to verify speed over a particular distance? I haven't heard of it being done with the EZPass yet (since Speed Pass is for Mobil as someone pointed out). However, my mother's cousin's husband was telling me (in person, not a story that got stretched out between tellings) that he once received a speeding ticket this way. I can't remember if it was the NJ Turnpike or in Florida, but it was one of those systems where you get a toll ticket going on to the highway, and pay when you pull off. His average speed was way up there (he almost lost his licence a few times...) so he received a speeding ticket. That was about 15 years ago. Now he teaches those defensive driving type courses... guess he got tired of all the fines. Someone suggested two transponders... problem is when you use a system like the NJ Turnpike (which should be activated in about a month) you need the same transponder going in and going out, so they know how far you traveled. Otherwise you'd probably get socked with max tolls on both transponders. As another person suggested, whenever I'm on the NJ Turnpike, or the NY Thruway, unless there was a major traffic jam, I always take a gas/drink/pee stop to let the clock go a little bit. Just in case. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 08:09:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from doberman.cwusa.com (doberman-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EC9eH20762 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by doberman.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00730 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E902F9DCF8@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: Moto Accidents 95? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:09:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have any details on the motorcycle accident(s) on 95 last night/this morning. Sounded bad... LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 08:22:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8ECMKH20997 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13892 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2000 12:22:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000914122218.13891.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.151.168.42] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:22:18 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: let's try this... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lesson # 1- Never, ever, ever trust a car's turn signal. Matt 1996 Suzuki GS500E --- Laura Granato wrote: > Let's try and gather information for the site one > section at a time...some > people seemed to be a little bit overwhelmed by my > asking for too many > things at once...just reply to this e-mail...We've > got lots of sections, so > this should keep us all busy for a while...TIA for > all who help contribute > information! > > So, all...tell me...what lessons have you learned in > your career on > motorcycles? ::envisioning all of the interesting > replies I'll get:: > > Laura > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 09:40:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EDdpH22203 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:39:30 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:39:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: let's try this... Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:39:30 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2000 13:39:30.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[35BE44A0:01C01E51] Another lesson: (I think there are a few of us who can relate) Must remove disc lock before riding! Rob '98 VFR800 (didn't happen to this one!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 09:40:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EDeRH22210 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Sep 14 06:39:48 2000 To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:39:48 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Moto Accidents 95? X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just know I stayed the heck off the beltway and went down Braddock road instead. What you should have seen was the one on I-66 West last night about 7pm. Wow! Don't know what exactly happened but I surmise that either the 18 wheeler ran over a car and destroyed the back, or the car ran under the trailer. I think the former since in the couple of seconds I had to see, it was the rear of the car that was non-existant and it had no roof either. May have been a convertable? I don't think the driver survived. I bet 66 was backed up all the way to DC. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 09:39:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EDdhH22201 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:23:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Is there something in the air? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:23:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain For the past two weeks, on a daily commuting basis, I have had at least one BDC pull into the right-of-way directly in my path while looking straight at me. It has to be deliberate because they continue to watch me in their rear view mirrors as if expecting a reaction. Of course they don't get a facial reaction because they can't see through the gold iridium, but I have been sharing my feelings with them -- if a safe opportunity avails itself. To be honest, I am used to this behavior, as we all are, and ride defensively to insure nothing bad happens to me. However, I am beginning to believe all the negative press about sportbikes has had an effect on the members of the motoring public best described as quarter-wits with pathological feelings of inadequacy. Pure speculation, of course. Although stopping next to a cager's window, shoving my helmeted face at him, making inquiries about the breed of his non-human parent, and watching him squirm is uniquely rewarding; it could also be dangerous. Therefore, I have resolved to change the manner in which I make my unhappiness known. I am seriously thinking about following the stupid monkeys until they park and then calling the police and reporting a road rage incident. Anyone else tried this? Thoughts? Crash (If you love your neighbor, you must remonstrate with him when he errs.) AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 09:48:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EDmTH22426 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 360 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 06:48:10 -0700 Date: 14 Sep 2000 06:48:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20000914134810.359.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 13:48:10 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Sep 2000 06:48:10 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: robkeiser@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: let's try this... On Thu, 14 September 2000, "Rob Keiser" wrote: > > Another lesson: > > (I think there are a few of us who can relate) > > Must remove disc lock before riding! ahhhh....excellent one! :-) > > LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 10:08:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EE8VH22817 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G0V00E5BR9PW5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:08:29 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:08:05 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Summit Point camping... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FF88@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anybody camping out at Summit over the weekend? I noticed on the map of property (we received at the Track Day briefing) there are two camping areas. Anyone decided yet where they'll be putting up? I'll definitely be there Sunday and staying over that night, and was thinking about Saturday night also. I'd like to meet up with anyone from the list who'll be there... -Calvin Ledford '00 Interceptor From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 10:13:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EEDKH22904 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id z.15.92ced14 (3972); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.92ced14.26f236f6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:13:10 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point camping... To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/14/00 10:11:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cledford@XXXXXX writes: > Anybody camping out at Summit over the weekend? I noticed on the map of > property (we received at the Track Day briefing) there are two camping > areas. Anyone decided yet where they'll be putting up? I'll definitely be > there Sunday and staying over that night, and was thinking about Saturday > night also. ::shrug:: I always pitch my tent in the middle of the paddock. The middle section is all grass. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 10:16:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EEGJH22983 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16395 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-13.his.com [216.32.85.13]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29711 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000914101609.012488e8@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:16:14 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit Point camping... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:08 AM 9/14/00 -0400, Ledford, Calvin wrote: >Anybody camping out at Summit over the weekend? > >I'd like to meet up with anyone from the list who'll be there... > >-Calvin Ledford >'00 Interceptor I'll be "camping" up there friday & saturday nights. We normally pit at the winner's circle on CCS weekend on account of we like to be close to the class room & pit out of doing the school. I sleep in a van, none of this ranger rick stuff for me. Look for #910 silver & white TL-R. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 10:21:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EELVH23090 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id l.ae.a835ab7 (3972); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:20:44 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point camping... To: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/14/00 10:19:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, harris@XXXXXX writes: > I sleep in a van Down by the river? This seems to be a common thing with racers.... ;) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 10:26:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EEQ4H23123 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 1250 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 07:25:57 -0700 Date: 14 Sep 2000 07:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20000914142557.1249.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 14:25:57 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Sep 2000 07:25:57 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cledford@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Summit Point camping... On Thu, 14 September 2000, "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > I'd like to meet up with anyone from the list who'll be there... I'll be there saturday morning until Monday. if Brian brings the DC Cycles banner (Roach???) you'll have no problem finding where we'll be. Just look for my little yellow GS :-). Laura > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 10:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EEWlH23289 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGrd1iaINqRu6TjMEzgErtPeQ=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FHXD2JJP; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:31:08 EDT To: SV650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:24:13 -0400 Subject: Garage Cleaning SPAM - tires, exhaust,etc. Message-ID: <20000914.102603.-303791.2.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-10,12-19,21-24,26-27,29-30,32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick SV650 Parts: Stock tires with 488 DOT date stamp (made in 48th week of 1998) with approx. 400 miles on them. $100.00 Stock exhaust. Good shape, could use polishing. Grab rail, tail light, turn signals, etc. Other race take offs. Hawk Parts: Excellent condition forks, wheel, caliper, master cylinder, axle, rotor, etc. Excellent condition rear subframe Other bits and pieces. RD350 and CB400F parts: Yet to be determined, let me know what you want. Have a DS7 that might go intact to the right buyer. Northern Virginia, just off I-95, near Potomac Mills. Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 10:52:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rmx460-mta.mail.com (rmx460-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EEqdH23636 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web613-ec.mail.com (web613-ec.mail.com [165.251.32.88]) by rmx460-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20323; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381492836.968943155297.JavaMail.root@web613-ec.mail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:52:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Rittershausen To: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Gloves and Protection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 192.5.27.136 I can't speak for the olympia's but there's really no need to drop $200 to protect your hands. It's similar to helmets: After a certain point, you're paying for the name and the gee-whiz features. I've got a pair of AGV sport gloves, complete with kevlar and studs, and they cost me ~$40. They've held up well thru a couple low-speed get offs, too. I'd love to try a pair of Held or Kushitani gloves, but I don't see that the price difference really reflects that much of a performance difference. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 10:53:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EErhH23646 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:53:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200009141053.AA103940504@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: let's try this... X-Mailer: The only thing a turn signal means is that it works. Nothing more. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Matthew Rosenstock Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:22:18 -0700 (PDT) >Lesson # 1- Never, ever, ever trust a car's turn >signal. > >Matt >1996 Suzuki GS500E > >--- Laura Granato wrote: >> Let's try and gather information for the site one >> section at a time...some >> people seemed to be a little bit overwhelmed by my >> asking for too many >> things at once...just reply to this e-mail...We've >> got lots of sections, so >> this should keep us all busy for a while...TIA for >> all who help contribute >> information! >> >> So, all...tell me...what lessons have you learned in >> your career on >> motorcycles? ::envisioning all of the interesting >> replies I'll get:: >> >> Laura >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:02:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EF2eH23818 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:02:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200009141102.AA128582246@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Smith, Steven" Subject: Re: Is there something in the air? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Smith, Steven" >Therefore, I have >resolved to change the manner in which I make my unhappiness known. I am >seriously thinking about following the stupid monkeys until they park and >then calling the police and reporting a road rage incident. > >Anyone else tried this? Thoughts? If the police don't see it it's unlikely they'll do anything. If you have a bunch of witnesses and/or political clout you might get somewhere with them. If you're in Fairfax County you can turn in dangerous/aggressive drivers. http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/RoadShark.htm Call 703-691-2131 (their non-emergency no.) with as much info as you can: car type/color, tag no., description of driver, date/time of occurrence, nature of occurrence. The owner of the vehicle will be notified by mail of the incident. I've pulled up next to people and asked them "Why did you do that?" It's interesting to see their reaction - guilt or ignorance. But I don't think it's worth it, and it's potentially dangerous - if someone wants to pick a fight with me I won't let them. Be the water that flows around the rock. Or just consider that you're riding in the middle of a Mad Max movie. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:23:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EFNRH24200 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8EFNOI1339201 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C0ED52.F1FF8F46@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:22:58 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Is there something in the air? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > For the past two weeks, on a daily commuting basis, I have had at least one > BDC pull into the right-of-way directly in my path while looking straight at > me. It has to be deliberate because they continue to watch me in their rear > view mirrors as if expecting a reaction. Leave more following distance. Seriously, I know it sounds like I'm being smart arsed, but you need to not be surprised by the actions of a BDC. We, as motorcyclists are clearly, of superior intellect. Use it. > Of course they don't get a facial > reaction because they can't see through the gold iridium, but I have been > sharing my feelings with them -- if a safe opportunity avails itself. To be > honest, I am used to this behavior, as we all are, and ride defensively to > insure nothing bad happens to me. You nut from 'round heah, ar' ya boy?' has there been a recent change in your driving pattern or something? Honestly, I see this every day... > However, I am beginning to believe all > the negative press about sportbikes has had an effect on the members of the > motoring public best described as quarter-wits with pathological feelings of > inadequacy. Pure speculation, of course. It's seasonal, less BDC's vacate from September on than in Summer. More cages equals more idiots. > > Although stopping next to a cager's window, shoving my helmeted face at him, > making inquiries about the breed of his non-human parent, and watching him > squirm is uniquely rewarding; it could also be dangerous. Therefore, I have > resolved to change the manner in which I make my unhappiness known. I am > seriously thinking about following the stupid monkeys until they park and > then calling the police and reporting a road rage incident. > > Anyone else tried this? Thoughts? Yeah, don't bother wasting your time or thought energy. Recently, somebody got... impolite with my wife. I decided to pay a visit to them at their place of work - my intention being the application of some physical violence. Strangely, he didn't have a rude word to say, nor could he leave fast enough. Unfortunately, I drew the attention of workplace security & some local LEO's. I was gone by the time the law arrived. Weigh these options as a last resort - even simple assault will result in your increased familiarity with handcuffs. Also, be particularly careful when insisting Women drivers pay more attention. My rule is, as I pointed out to said impolite person above, 'If you wouldn't do it or say it to your mom, don't do it or say it to someone else's mom'. I consider men who speak impolitely to my wife as bullies, and I deal with them as such. Think how you would like to be reprimanded or your wife/SO/mom etc. for a driving mistake or the like. I've been cut of less & less after adopting a commuting policy of avoidance of drivers that exhibit ANY suspect behavior. I've increased my following distance, in general, to allow more than one 'escape route' etc. If you're having trouble with an off ramp or 2, give the local law a call, and explain the problem your having. Every once in a while they'll post somebody as a result of a complaint. Just 'be where the cars ain't' use a more aggressive lane discipline / changing policy, adapt to the traffic at hand. Most importantly, NEVER lose your cool ; it clouds your judgment and impairs your riding. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EFXCH24402 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2837 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 08:33:03 -0700 Date: 14 Sep 2000 08:33:03 -0700 Message-ID: <20000914153303.2836.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 15:33:03 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Sep 2000 08:33:03 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: next... i've gotten some great responses to the first question, so I'm going to go ahead with the next section.... This should be fun! motorcycle terms....for this...i'm thinking about when I first starting riding...all of the acronyms I saw on the list and had no idea what they meant...also, my first time at the track (things like short-shifting, off-camber, etc.). Just pretend you're a newbie, what did you wish you knew what it meant when others were talking? Or...even better, think of it from a gals point of view-let's face it...I only know what i'm learning from others...I knew NOTHING about bikes, lingo, etc...when I started....so pretend like you're helping your good friend Laura learn all about bikes! lol. Also, i talked to Harry last night and he said we could absolutely use the DC Cycles name for the site. he seemed pretty happy about the new site. Thanks for all of your help everyone...this is gonna be cool! Laura :-) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:34:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EFYsH24415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:34:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:33:26 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Subject: Re: Moto Accidents 95? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_80D874FE.D7B6D2BE" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_80D874FE.D7B6D2BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yea it was a marine corps Capt. that died going a buck 20 on a kaw 9 Told you those kaws aint worth nothing.... What you should have seen was the one on I-66 West last night about 7pm. = Wow! Don't know what exactly happened but I surmise that either the 18 = wheeler ran over a car and destroyed the back, or the car ran under the = trailer. I think the former since in the couple of seconds I had to see, = it was the rear of the car that was non-existant and it had no roof = either. May have been a convertable? I don't think the driver survived. 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--=_80D874FE.D7B6D2BE-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:36:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EFapH24530 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA05087 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:36:13 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl Reply-To: lisa To: dccycles Subject: Bethesda, motorcycles and commuting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know this message is coming a little late but here it is anyway. I had the opportunity to speak with Francine Waters, Director of Bethesda Transportation Solutions. This is a group geared towards providing free information and assitance to employers and commuters in downtown Bethesda. Francine was amazingly pro-motorcycle and understands that we are doing our part in keeping cars off the roads. She understands that we get good milage and that we don't use up a whole parking space. She invited me to attend a session about getting more bikes and bicycles on the roads in Bethesda. This is a good opportunity for us to show to the politicians that we don't all ride "rocket-bikes" and that we are doing our part to ease congestion. The session is at 8 AM Friday, September 15 at the Bethesda Urban Partnership offices at 7906 Woodmont Avenue in Bethesda. Please write me if you are interested in attending or if there is anything in specific that you would like me to bring up while I am there. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:37:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EFbIH24540 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:35:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Great Nationwide Salary Calculator Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:34:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Folks, thought you'd be interested in the following salary scale: A Motor Racer working in Washington, DC 20006 earns a median base salary of $21,370. The top half of earners are paid an average of $26,595 and the lower half of earners are paid an average of $17,629. This according to the nationwide salary calculator at http://www.salary.com/home/layoutscripts/sall_home.asp. Anyone else earning that for their motor racing ways? Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:41:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EFejH24553 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13834 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:40:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000914113724.00a82f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:40:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 'Admin' on list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone here ride a black bike with license plate 'Admin' ? Wearing full jungle fatigues this morning, weaving between cars attempting some form of filtering? If so, you don't have to announce yourself, but please stop pissing off the people that I have to commute with every day. Pick a lane - don't ride next to a cage in his lane. It makes them angry. And all cagers think every sportsbike is the same guy that pissed them off this morning. That is probably why some guy was tailgating you all the way through to Reston. Sigh. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:50:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EFoWH24818 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19118; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:52:32 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with SMTP id LAA58434; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:50:26 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525695A.0057005F ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:50:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525695A.0056FF09.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:50:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Low speed crash Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, thanks for that wisdom Daniel. Holding in the clutch makes it really easy to kick over! But for some reason it won't start now. Hmmm.... Actually the only thing that kicking with the clutch in will do is free the inevitably stuck clutch plates first thing in the morning. Nothing like dropping it into gear and hearing the back tire chirp and try to launch you down the driveway. I've seen various kickstarting positions, but on the side stand while straddling the bike works best for me. A friend with a bum right leg puts his on the center stand and kicks with his left. But kicking them over while on the "main" stand is said to be bad for the stand lugs, or so the story goes. Anyway, choke on, no gas, and a "full swinging" kick (or maybe 2), just like the manual says, should get ya going. End of seminar. Rich From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:56:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EFuKH24839 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.169.147] by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-147.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.147]) id QQjgpz23678 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:56:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000914101609.012488e8@his.com> References: <3.0.32.20000914101609.012488e8@his.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Re: Summit Point camping... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Anyone meeting at the Sheetz Saturday morning, maybe around 9 or 10? I'd like to ride up for the day and see what's going on(never been there before). Thanks! Dan 00 RSV At 10:16 AM -0700 9/14/00, Stephen Harris wrote: >At 10:08 AM 9/14/00 -0400, Ledford, Calvin wrote: > >Anybody camping out at Summit over the weekend? > > > >I'd like to meet up with anyone from the list who'll be there... > > > >-Calvin Ledford > >'00 Interceptor > > > > I'll be "camping" up there friday & saturday nights. We >normally pit at >the winner's circle on CCS weekend on account of we like to be close to the >class room & pit out of doing the school. I sleep in a van, none of this >ranger rick stuff for me. Look for #910 silver & white TL-R. > > S > >Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? >Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:56:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EFuhH24849 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32882; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:32:36 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with SMTP id LAA75860; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:39 -0400 Received: by d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525695A.00579460 ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:36 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525695A.00579229.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:29 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: Great Nationwide Salary Calculator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Erik wrote in part: >>Anyone else earning >>that for their motor racing ways? Years ago, I got a $30 "disturbing the peace" ticket for racing my motor. Does that count? =;0) Regards, Tom Knapik '83 CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 11:58:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EFwCH24923 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:57:32 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8A7C@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Paging Sean Jordan Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:46:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Email me please... From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 12:10:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EGAuH25163 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25136; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max2h-244.his.com [216.32.85.244]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01452; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000914121050.00f49b98@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:10:54 -0700 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit Point camping... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 AM 9/14/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >> I sleep in a van >This seems to be a common thing with racers.... ;) > Yea, but I sleep in the van while driving to the races...:-) S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 12:14:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EGEmH25279 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2731 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 09:14:32 -0700 Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:14:32 -0700 Message-ID: <20000914161432.2730.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 16:14:32 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Sep 2000 09:14:32 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: FW: Great Nationwide Salary Calculator > Erik: > thought you'd be interested in the following salary > > This according to the nationwide salary calculator at > http://www.salary.com/home/layoutscripts/sall_home.asp whoa! you may just start a riot when a lot of us find out that we're underpayed! I'm getting ready to start one in my office right now! :-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 12:25:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EGPIH25430 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00310 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:25:41 -0400 Message-ID: <39C0FC2A.20218672@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:26:18 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: [Fwd: let's try this...] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------86FC014193E0FF17A7F247A3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------86FC014193E0FF17A7F247A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------86FC014193E0FF17A7F247A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <39C0D49C.BED2AA41@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:37:32 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: let's try this... References: <20000914122218.13891.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > Lesson # 1- Never, ever, ever trust a car's turn > signal. > Lesson # 2- Ride as if you were invisible. Lesson # 3- Ride with your high beams on during the day Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org --------------86FC014193E0FF17A7F247A3-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 12:45:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EGjdH25905 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11515 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:45:34 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200009141645.MAA11515@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: let's try this...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:26:18 EDT." <39C0FC2A.20218672@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:45:34 -0400 In your message dated: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:26:18 EDT, your pithy ruminations on <[Fwd: let's try this...]> were: => Message-ID: <39C0D49C.BED2AA41@XXXXXX> => Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:37:32 -0400 => From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" => Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University => X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) => X-Accept-Language: en => MIME-Version: 1.0 => To: Matthew Rosenstock => Subject: Re: let's try this... => References: <20000914122218.13891.qmail@XXXXXX> => Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii => Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit => => => => Matthew Rosenstock wrote: => => > Lesson # 1- Never, ever, ever trust a car's turn => > signal. => > => => Lesson # 2- Ride as if you were invisible. Lesson #2a - Ride as if you are wearing a huge, visible, day-glo target on your back, with a large "Reward" sign I wouldn't advocate riding aggressively, but defensive riding isn't quite enough. I prefer to call it "assertive riding". Make your motions--lane changes, turns, merges, passing, etc.--very clear and unambiguous to other vehicle operators (BDCs). Mark => => => Lesson # 3- Ride with your high beams on during the day => => => Steven C. Di Pietro => Assistant National Director => Suzuki Owners Club USA => http://www.soc-usa.org => => => => => --------------86FC014193E0FF17A7F247A3-- => => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 13:57:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EHvOH27215 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.7.41]) id QQjgqh00905 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:57:22 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjgqh03547 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:57:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: New Honda Goldwing (and more) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The new 'Wing is kinda cool.....if you like moto-bagos. http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/models/2001lineup/index.htm "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 14:20:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EIKhH27669 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17116; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:15:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Sean Jordan" , Subject: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (and more)) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:20:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Arnold Schwarzenegger meets Seca II: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/01motorsports/01mcy/2_sport/fz1/info_body.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:Sean.Jordan@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Honda Goldwing (and more) The new 'Wing is kinda cool.....if you like moto-bagos. http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/models/2001lineup/index.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 14:31:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EIVIH27842 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.b8.b326f07 (3973) for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:30:47 EDT Subject: Re: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (and more)) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/14/00 2:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: > and R6 also! Must .... fight ..... urge .... - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 14:58:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EIwXH28367 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9798 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 11:58:26 -0700 Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:58:26 -0700 Message-ID: <20000914185826.9797.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 18:58:26 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Sep 2000 11:58:26 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (and more)) > > > and R6 also! > > Must .... fight ..... urge .... nah...don't fight it! add one more to the collection...then I can take the DUC out for a spin! LMAO! LAG > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 15:14:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EJDxH28642 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from klingon (10.10.10.190 [10.10.10.190]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id SZM0Y4AA; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:13:43 -0400 Message-ID: <044001c01e7f$e28e4b70$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: Subject: Re: Jackets Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:13:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I just wanted to thank Steve for showing me how to safety wire my bike for the cycle sport track day. It's not that hard, but there are little tricks to it which make the job easier and better. So thanks a lot. han ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:56 PM Subject: Re: Jackets > chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: > > << If you buy a perf'ed leather jacket that has a liner, >> > > I have a Vanson Cobra...it is perf'ed but has close off "curtains" inside so > you can block off the holes if you need to. Combined with my collared > electric vest makes for much comfort in a variety of temps. > Just my .02 > > Steve Broadstreet > Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 15:47:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EJlrH29253 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8A92@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (and more)) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:36:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain What...he doesn't let you ride the Duck now? > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 2:58 PM > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing > (and more)) > > > > > > and R6 also! > > > > Must .... fight ..... urge .... > > nah...don't fight it! add one more to the collection...then I can take > the DUC out for a spin! LMAO! > > LAG > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 15:52:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EJqmH29342 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10958 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 12:52:41 -0700 Date: 14 Sep 2000 12:52:41 -0700 Message-ID: <20000914195241.10957.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 19:52:41 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Sep 2000 12:52:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: RE: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (and more)) > > What...he doesn't let you ride the Duck now? > Oh my god, i don't even want to see his reply to *that* one!!!! I think he *may* let me scoot around his YSR, but that's about it at this point.... ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 16:02:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EK2OH29516 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-58.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.122]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12902; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C15A65.87E483F4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:08:21 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (andmore)) References: <20000914195241.10957.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, don't knock the little YSR! I used to have one and wish I hadn't gotten rid of it. If Bryan is willing to let you scoot around on his YSR, you can practice dragging knee in parking lots! %^) LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > What...he doesn't let you ride the Duck now? > > > Oh my god, i don't even want to see his reply to *that* one!!!! I think he *may* let me scoot around his YSR, but that's about it at this point.... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 16:19:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EKJ8H29782 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-89.patriot.net [209.249.180.89]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8EKJ2e14662; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:19:02 -0400 Message-ID: <39C1327B.D883D0FC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:18:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Great Nationwide Salary Calculator References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks I grossed about $1600 for *racing* 250cc & 125cc beater bikes around the MSF RiderCourse range doing demo rides. Bill eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi Folks, > > thought you'd be interested in the following salary scale: > > A Motor Racer working in Washington, DC 20006 earns a median base salary of > $21,370. The top half of earners are paid an average of $26,595 and the > lower half of earners are paid an average of $17,629. > > This according to the nationwide salary calculator at > http://www.salary.com/home/layoutscripts/sall_home.asp. Anyone else earning > that for their motor racing ways? > > Bests, > > Erik From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 16:24:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EKOWH29901 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id u.55.ad9638b (3978); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:19:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <55.ad9638b.26f28cc4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:19:16 EDT Subject: Re: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (andmore)) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 9/14/00 4:06:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Hey, don't knock the little YSR! I used to have one and wish I hadn't > gotten rid of it. If Bryan is willing to let you scoot around on his > YSR, you can practice dragging knee in parking lots! %^) Ah-hem.... my YSR has 280 miles on the clock, and I'm the second owner. The warning stickers are still on it.... It is NOT a parking lot toy. (Ok, unless you're at Nelson Ledges in the paddock, have had ... a few beers, and want to see how far you can ride wheelies on it...) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 16:26:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EKQrH29932 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24903 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: New AYamaha Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did I read that right, ar the carbs heated by the coolant? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 16:29:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EKTNH00124 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8274 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 13:29:09 -0700 Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:29:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20000914202909.8273.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 20:29:09 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Sep 2000 13:29:09 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (andmore)) > and had a few beers, I bet I could drag a knee after a few beers, definitely! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 16:30:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8EKUFH00206 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8325 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 13:30:09 -0700 Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:30:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20000914203009.8324.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Sep 2000 20:30:09 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Sep 2000 13:30:09 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (andmore)) > > Hey, don't knock the little YSR Definitely not knocking the YSR...I can't wait to get my ass on the seat of that bike...looks like a ton of fun. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 16:31:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EKV8H00217 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-58.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.122]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16549; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C16127.2D84C0F6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:37:12 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Yamaha FZ-1 and R6 also! (was RE: New Honda Goldwing (andmore)) References: <55.ad9638b.26f28cc4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a killjoy! %^) BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > Ah-hem.... my YSR has 280 miles on the clock, and I'm the second owner. The > warning stickers are still on it.... It is NOT a parking lot toy. From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 17:05:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EL5HH00825 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20767 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18017 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16161 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:05:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000914170400.00d70560@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:05:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: FYI - dc-cycles archive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have downloaded all of the archive emails and split them into years and months, then into individual emails. I am now weeding out the errors and working on the search engine. That is a lot of text to search through! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 18:47:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8EMlEH02575 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-12.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.76]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA32202; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C1809D.58CAFB22@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:51:25 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding with experienced riders References: <48.ac1d1a3.26eeed63@aol.com> <001101c01c63$591a26c0$dd7c3004@oemcomputer> <39BEABEC.5002B96D@cox.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Meyer wrote : > > The key to making it work as a follower is to peripherally watch the lead rider > enter the curve and go through, then DON'T FOLLOW THEIR TAILLIGHT. You have to > look through the curve just as if you were alone - if you fixate on the bike > ahead, it'll mess you all up. This is GOOD ADVICE. I can relate one story about what happens if you pay attention to the rider's in front of you tail/brake light instead of the road. I was out riding with a friend (who shall go unnamed, but he is a good rider -- better than me) on 601, aka Mount Weather. We had ridden going from Route 50 to Route 7 with my friend leading. Coming back the other way, I led. We were carrying way too much speed coming through the series of "10 mph" marked turns by the weather station. The first two turns can actually be taken at a pretty good clip (I think we went through at ~30 mph). But the third one is a toughie. A pretty sharp 90-degree left. It's downhill. Gravel usually on the inside of the turn. I was all over my front brake to scrub off speed and using as much of the righthand side of the pavement as possible going into the turn. Honestly, I didn't think I was going to make it. My buddy said I had no more road to use. At the last moment, I was able to get my m/c turned in (a '93 GSXR 750 which is not the quickest of turners!) and through the corner. Unfortunately, my friend who was following was paying attention to my brake light and not the road. Result? When I glanced in my rearview mirror after completing the turn and safely on the straightaway, I saw my buddy lose it, lowside, his bike skittle into the armco, and he sliding along the pavement. Fortunately, he was unhurt (pride more than anything else) and his m/c relatively unscathed (mostly just scratched up). Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 20:19:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8F0JrH04081 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGrblwdToqnzMgHpmL3eMHnHA=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FHYFN5JA; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:19:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:00:15 -0400 Subject: Draggin Knees Message-ID: <20000914.201357.-303791.36.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,7-8,10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick I was dragging knees in only my second race. Would have been impressive if I had still been on the bike. Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 20:20:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8F0K9H04152 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGrblwdToqnzMjmbdiWvkE+Yw=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FHYFN5LD; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:19:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:13:57 -0400 Subject: Glove recommendation Message-ID: <20000914.201357.-303791.37.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,20-23,25-26,28-29,31 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick For racing, I believe in having some padding/armor. I wear Held gloves that I get from Fast Lane. It is extremely important to get a good fit, and Fast Lane stocks them in a variety of styles and sizes. If you are cute or you or friendly or you are cute and friendly, Rick might cut you a deal ;-) For regular riding, I wear Thurlow deerskin gloves. They are so comfortable, I just like to put them on. I would say they are luxurious - no kidding. I just got a new pair, their 581 RS model. It is their "road racing model". Double thickness deerskin, gauntlet, and cinch strap. Not padded, per se, but the double thickness affords some shock absorption. Extremely well made. $140.50, and worth every penny. I have another pair that never split a seam or wore through, although I have crashed three times in them. The old ones are still as soft as the day I bought them (deerskin deals very well with rain). They will make custom sizes for an extra charge. They don't sponsor me (although if you tell them I sent you, who knows ;-0 ). Thurlow Leatherworld, 4807 Mercury Street, Suite "E", San Diego, CA 92111 (858)279-9004 - area code might be 619, as both 858 and 619 are on the paperwork I received. Call up and order a catalogue. They will send you a catalogue with leather samples, and ask you to send back 5 or 10 dollars to pay for it. Great stuff. Tom Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 20:28:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8F0SLH04256 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGri99eGlfb9e0nsa6qVanwMg=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FHYF5SBP; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:27:06 EDT To: race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:21:57 -0400 Subject: Fw: CCS Weekend Cornerworkers Needed for Summit Point Message-ID: <20000914.202157.-303791.40.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,7-8,10-15,17,19-21,23-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Please see Wendy's message below. On the job training provided. You will not find a more rewarding way to spend a weekend. Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com) *****TYR SOX TIRE WARMERS - $280 AT STORE, $290 DELIVERED CONUS****; *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Leland.Wendy" To: "'marrcmembers@XXXXXX'" Cornerworkers, don't forget the upcoming CCS race weekend at Summit, this Saturday and Sunday the 16th and 17th. It looks like it will be a beautiful weekend, and a great time to get some more hours logged toward end-of-year earned awards. Also, in case you were wondering if the MARRC Safety Crew would be handling the races at VIR in October, the MARRC Board of Directors has officially decided that we will NOT be able to do so. Thanks, and I hope to see you this weekend! Wendy Leland MARRC VP From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 20:51:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8F0pYH04669 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000915005126.FHNC4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:51:26 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c01e9b$e2c06e40$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , References: <20000914153303.2836.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: next... Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:34:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In addition to this I'd like to suggest that all of the cruiser riders submit slang for sportbikes and vice versa. It might be good for a laugh. What do you think? James ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: next... > i've gotten some great responses to the first question, so I'm going to go ahead with the next section.... > > This should be fun! motorcycle terms....for this...i'm thinking about when I first starting riding...all of the acronyms I saw on the list and had no idea what they meant...also, my first time at the track (things like short-shifting, off-camber, etc.). Just pretend you're a newbie, what did you wish you knew what it meant when others were talking? Or...even better, think of it from a gals point of view-let's face it...I only know what i'm learning from others...I knew NOTHING about bikes, lingo, etc...when I started....so pretend like you're helping your good friend Laura learn all about bikes! lol. > > Also, i talked to Harry last night and he said we could absolutely use the DC Cycles name for the site. he seemed pretty happy about the new site. > > Thanks for all of your help everyone...this is gonna be cool! Laura :-) > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 21:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8F1HuH05090 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-89.patriot.net [209.249.180.89]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8F1HSe20757; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:17:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39C1786E.37DE7B37@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:16:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: next... References: <20000914153303.2836.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <002101c01e9b$e2c06e40$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gold Wing = Buick without a roof James Reazor wrote: > In addition to this I'd like to suggest that all of the cruiser riders > submit slang for sportbikes and vice versa. It might be good for a laugh. > What do you think? > > James > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LAURA GRANATO" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:33 AM > Subject: next... > > > i've gotten some great responses to the first question, so I'm going to go > ahead with the next section.... > > > > This should be fun! motorcycle terms....for this...i'm thinking about > when I first starting riding...all of the acronyms I saw on the list and had > no idea what they meant...also, my first time at the track (things like > short-shifting, off-camber, etc.). Just pretend you're a newbie, what did > you wish you knew what it meant when others were talking? Or...even better, > think of it from a gals point of view-let's face it...I only know what i'm > learning from others...I knew NOTHING about bikes, lingo, etc...when I > started....so pretend like you're helping your good friend Laura learn all > about bikes! lol. > > > > Also, i talked to Harry last night and he said we could absolutely use the > DC Cycles name for the site. he seemed pretty happy about the new site. > > > > Thanks for all of your help everyone...this is gonna be cool! Laura :-) > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 21:30:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com ([208.22.178.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8F1TxH05284 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:29 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: gloves Message-ID: <2000091421265692-24cf9be@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From: Todd Rittershausen >I can't speak for the olympia's but there's really no need to drop $200 to >protect your hands. After a certain point, you're paying for the name and the gee-whiz features. I'd say there is some validity to Todd's point. It's just hard to tell where that magic point is and unfortunately i don't know of any gear (gloves or other) right at that point. My guess is that the $100-200 Helds or Kushitanis are better than $40 gloves but the extra cost is split b/w actual value and name cost. I looked around and settled on the Held kevlar backed gloves. Quality is tops and they are incredibly comfortable. If you're looking at Helds one consideration is you need to be careful w/ getting the all-leather ones wet. According to the care instructions i got the back of the glove is made w/ leather that requires some sort of anti-shrink treatment. They advise against washing or it will be gone. Don't know if a soaking w/ regular water would have same effect or not. OTOH the kevlar backed model can be washed w/ mild detergent. Fortunately can't speak directly to protection or abrasion resistance. FWIW I traded up from a pair of $20 OSI summer gloves (leather underside rest woven whatever) that actually held up okay in ~15-20 mph getoff. Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Sep 14 21:34:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com ([208.22.178.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8F1YwH05376 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:31 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: Let's try this Message-ID: <20000914213156444-2518efe@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Rosenstock Lesson # 1- Never, ever, ever trust a car's turn signal. Not to put words in your mouth but did you mean: Never, ever, ever trust a car. Which happens to be my rule. keep the shiny side up. R From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 15 07:57:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8FBv3H16161 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id GAA06082 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:57:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id GAA06078 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:57:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA01732; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000915075741.00a2cbb0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:58:38 -0400 To: Bill Huson From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: next... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39C1786E.37DE7B37@patriot.net> References: <20000914153303.2836.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <002101c01e9b$e2c06e40$856a0618@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nah, a Goldwing is a Road Sofa!!! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:16 PM 9/14/00 -0400, you wrote: >Gold Wing = Buick without a roof > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Sep 15 08:08:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8FC8uH16335 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA42796 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:44:35 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with SMTP id IAA40984 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:08:52 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525695B.0042B9F7 ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:08:49 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: