From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 08:23:40 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:23:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Danny will find this interesting... Cc: DCCycles you are, right.. of course.. On 7/29/05, Dave Yates wrote: > http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2639862 > > > No blood in the streets either... > > Dave > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 10:29:14 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:29:02 +0000 Subject: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab4.cfm?newsid=14934556&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506086&rfi=6 or http://tinyurl.com/7r34p From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 10:40:35 2005 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:40:08 -0400 From: skip To: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... Dave Yates wrote: > > http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab4.cfm?newsid=14934556&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506086&rfi=6 > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/7r34p )B“Younger folks get Daytona style racing bikes with clip on handlebars and fairings. If one of them wants to get away from you, they're going to do it,)B”explained Sherertz. 'cause we all know that clip on handlebars and a fairing adds -at least- 50 hp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 16:13:18 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > )B“Younger folks get Daytona style racing bikes with clip on handlebars > and fairings. If one of them wants to get away from you, they're going > to do it,)B”explained Sherertz. > > > > 'cause we all know that clip on handlebars and a fairing adds -at least- > 50 hp > While he was wrong on that count, this is dead right: "These are persistent issues. We have the performance of the motorcycles outstripping the riders' ability to use them,'" said Sherertz. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 16:23:14 2005 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:22:54 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... dan@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > )B“Younger folks get Daytona style racing bikes with clip on handlebars > > and fairings. If one of them wants to get away from you, they're going > > to do it,)B”explained Sherertz. > > > > > > > > 'cause we all know that clip on handlebars and a fairing adds -at least- > > 50 hp > > > > While he was wrong on that count, this is dead right: > > "These are persistent issues. We have the performance of the motorcycles > outstripping the riders' ability to use them,'" said Sherertz. agreed. he was also dead on with the "If one of them wants to get away from you, they're going to do it" comment. you can outrun a caprice, but you can't outrun Motorola. :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 16:26:02 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "skip" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:25:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... Skip said: you can outrun a caprice, but you can't outrun Motorola. :~) [Dave] You can if motorola is racing off to the local dunkin' donuts and you're not ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 16:50:21 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:50:12 -0400 Rumor is another rider passed on 211 this Sat. >Dave Yates wrote: > > > > >http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab4.cfm?newsid=14934556&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506086&rfi=6 > > > > or > > > > http://tinyurl.com/7r34p From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 17:11:52 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX soon, 211 will be taken over by supermotards blatting their way over the rumble strips with feet out, sparks kicking up from boot hardware. over at motorcycle.com Gabe says the day of sportbikes is over. I think it was (should have been) over 10 years ago. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 17:47:01 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > soon, 211 will be taken over by supermotards blatting their way over > the rumble strips with feet out, sparks kicking up from boot hardware. > > over at motorcycle.com Gabe says the day of sportbikes is over. I think > it was (should have been) over 10 years ago. I have my doubts. Many a squid has scoffed at my KTM 'tard. Don't seem to look as cool or fast. Straight line performance over 50 sucks. Not enough places to put stickers. And they sound funny. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 22:15:05 2005 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:14:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... >From: matthew patton >over at motorcycle.com Gabe says the day of sportbikes is over. I think >it was (should have been) over 10 years ago. It already is. The king is dead. Long live the king! The day of "sport utility motorcycles" has dawned. BMW F650, BMW R1200GS, Ducatti Multistrada, Triumph Tiger, etc. Fun for the highway, the pothole strewn city and dirt roads from coast to coast. Quick, everybody buy one so you can tire of it when the next fad hits and sell it to me for way less than it is worth 'cause that is the only way Ill ever afford one of those beauties! Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 22:36:45 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:36:33 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: New motorcycle safety study http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/Transportation_Bill.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 07:44:39 2005 From: "David Cross" To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:44:13 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Haydens on Tonight Show tonight Nicky Hayden and his brothers will be on Jay Leno tonight. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 09:01:48 2005 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... To: Chris Chubb , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Chubb wrote: > BMW F650, BMW R1200GS, Ducatti Multistrada, Triumph > Tiger, etc. > > Quick, everybody buy one so you can tire of it when > the next fad hits and > sell it to me for way less than it is worth 'cause > that is the only way Ill > ever afford one of those beauties! > If I can afford one, you certainly can. I got my V-Strom used for under $7K and it already had $2K of touring goodies on it. I've seen several used V-Strom 1000s for sale in the $5K range. I realize the V-Strom isn't on your list, but except for the fancy name badges, it appears to fit in. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 Suzuki DL1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 17:08:17 2005 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:08:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds Hi, I am looking for some links to sportbike forums with active classifieds sections where I can post the 1991 Honda NSR 250R I am selling. I used to be a member of a bunch of sites, but they were mostly California based and its been a couple years since I lived in LA. Link to pics of bike in case anyone here is interested. http://www.nsr250.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1742&sid=cc5a475f58971fbc93e5a4b38555424c Adam __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 17:17:47 2005 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:17:37 -0400 From: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds well you can always list it at www.cragslist.com www.sportbikes.com, www.sportbikes.net, and sportbikez.net all have active classified sections On 8/2/05, Adam Reinhardt wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for some links to sportbike forums with > active classifieds sections where I can post the 1991 > Honda NSR 250R I am selling. I used to be a member of > a bunch of sites, but they were mostly California > based and its been a couple years since I lived in LA. > > Link to pics of bike in case anyone here is > interested. > http://www.nsr250.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1742&sid=cc5a475f58971fbc93e5a4b38555424c > > Adam > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 17:32:07 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:31:56 -0400 www.dcsportbikes.com www.dcsportbikes.net >From: Eric Geary >Reply-To: Eric Geary >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:17:37 -0400 > >well you can always list it at www.cragslist.com > >www.sportbikes.com, www.sportbikes.net, and sportbikez.net all have >active classified sections > >On 8/2/05, Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for some links to sportbike forums with > > active classifieds sections where I can post the 1991 > > Honda NSR 250R I am selling. I used to be a member of > > a bunch of sites, but they were mostly California > > based and its been a couple years since I lived in LA. > > > > Link to pics of bike in case anyone here is > > interested. > > >http://www.nsr250.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1742&sid=cc5a475f58971fbc93e5a4b38555424c > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 18:17:59 2005 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:17:49 -0400 From: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds Ooops i meant to say www.dcsportbikes.com and .net my bad:P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 18:55:40 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:57:09 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Spam -- bikes for sale Curtis, a buddy of mine is a motorcycle mechanic-- when he's not first mate on a tug-boat. Because of too much lust for these Honda V-4s he's bike-poor and running out of garage space so asked me to post two of his. The bikes are old, but he's been through them, fixed their flaws (Cam oiling, fusible link, stator wiring, and fork springs). So, they're as good (or better) than many newer bikes. If I didn't have three bikes, I'd make an offer on the baby 'Ceptor. Bug him (Curtis) at: Riverrooster44@XXXXXX Or: (301)529-9223 1985 VF700S Sabre: New tires, battery, brakes, all mechanical stuff gone thru, Corbin seat, mechanically excellent, needs paint to finish $2,000/offer [Carl:] FWIW, I've taken my '85 VF 700 Sabre through Michigan, Vermont, Canada, and Georgia. Plus, It's been through Ohio 555 and over Deals Gap many times. I've also put over 50,000 DC-commuting year-round miles on it. The Dunlop 205 radials made a big improvement. Curtis has the new Avons on this Sabre. He took this one to Wlllville MC Campground last month so I got to play with it a bit on the BRP. It's tight but I don't have a Corbin butt. 1986 VF500F Interceptor with 1985 engine, 1986 carbs stock bike some upgrades, nice paint, new tires, brakes, battery nice shape $2,000/offer. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 3 10:56:24 2005 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] FS Ducati ST2 with neato upgrades somebody here at the Pentagon is selling their 2000 ST2 for $7500 OBO. no idea if that price is reasonable (seems high to me). if you're interested, I'll go write down the telephone number off his windscreen. You can tell it's a commuter. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 3 22:35:11 2005 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,165,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="1208529830:sNHT21786996" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Another dealership in our area wanted the Silver Honda Helix that was on our salesfloor. So we traded our Helix for a Big Ruckus. This thing is too much fun and I have been taking it to the bank daily. Curbs present no challenge, nor does my steep gravel driveway. The problem is, I don't know if I should wave at passing motorcyclists? http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Big+Ruckus&ModelYe ar=2005&ModelId=PS2505 Sure, it's highway legal and a 250 complete with functioning lights and a horn. But, it is still a scooter.... and an ugly, yellow one at that. It sort of looks like I am riding around on a yellow hospital gurney with a seat that adjusts like a car seat. Opinions? Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 3 23:09:43 2005 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:09:36 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? On 8/3/05, Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Another dealership in our area wanted the Silver Honda Helix that was on our > salesfloor. So we traded our Helix for a Big Ruckus. This thing is too > much fun and I have been taking it to the bank daily. Curbs present no > challenge, nor does my steep gravel driveway. The problem is, I don't know > if I should wave at passing motorcyclists? Ruckus = Scooter... no wave. Big Ruckus = Wave worthy. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 3 23:29:04 2005 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? To: DC Cycles (Big Ruckus) MAN...That thing is BEASTLY UGLY! ..and I LIKE IT! Wave your hands off like a mental patient. I always admired the Ruckus 50 as a pit bike but had no idea they started building a 250 - much less a street legal scoot. Fun. Speaking of wonderfully ugly bikes, I went to Laguna Seca for the AMA and MotoGP races in July....and I was in Motard Heaven. KTM's, Husky's, the new Suzi DR-Z400SM, and all kinds of bastard motard conversions. Saw them everywhere from Monterey to San Fran. I've got to figure out how to get my bike out there for next year's visit to Laguna Seca. -Corbett --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Another dealership in our area wanted the Silver > Honda Helix that was on our > salesfloor. So we traded our Helix for a Big > Ruckus. This thing is too > much fun and I have been taking it to the bank > daily. Curbs present no > challenge, nor does my steep gravel driveway. The > problem is, I don't know > if I should wave at passing motorcyclists? > > http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Big+Ruckus&ModelYe > ar=2005&ModelId=PS2505 > > Sure, it's highway legal and a 250 complete with > functioning lights and a > horn. > But, it is still a scooter.... and an ugly, yellow > one at that. It sort of > looks like I am riding around on a yellow hospital > gurney with a seat that > adjusts like a car seat. > > Opinions? > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > '97 GSXR600 > > > > > -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 01:21:23 2005 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:20:46 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? if it's on two wheels, I wave. sure, most of the time it's just kids, but better to indoctrinate them early. we are all brothers. If I see a scoter broken down, I'll stop. why? it's a brother. just my take on it. --skip Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Another dealership in our area wanted the Silver Honda Helix that was on our > salesfloor. So we traded our Helix for a Big Ruckus. This thing is too > much fun and I have been taking it to the bank daily. Curbs present no > challenge, nor does my steep gravel driveway. The problem is, I don't know > if I should wave at passing motorcyclists? > > http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Big+Ruckus&ModelYe > ar=2005&ModelId=PS2505 > > Sure, it's highway legal and a 250 complete with functioning lights and a > horn. > But, it is still a scooter.... and an ugly, yellow one at that. It sort of > looks like I am riding around on a yellow hospital gurney with a seat that > adjusts like a car seat. > > Opinions? > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > '97 GSXR600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 07:25:04 2005 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:24:48 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO It's called "Take Two Weeks Off, Throw Leg Over Seat and RIDE Your Bike There!!!!!!!" Been there, done that. Took 5 days to go out and 5 to come back. It was a blast. Would definitely do it again. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Corbett B I've got to figure out how to get my bike out there for next year's visit to Laguna Seca. -Corbett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 07:31:04 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 04:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, you should have bought the camouflage one to fit in better down there! ;-) Glenn --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Opinions? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 07:36:36 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:36:32 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Scooteristi tend not to wave - it's a scooter thing. You, however, are a bona fide Motorcyclist - and a wave is always in good taste. How's the shop coming? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 08:08:52 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:10:25 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] A Goddard emerges!! Lisa! How are you? Hope you and Jay are settling in nicely. What's your inventory-like? Let me know when you have a black Honda 919 in stock. That will be the bike that takes me to California and back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 08:36:28 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:38:03 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Track Day 15 August- Coleman's Anyone interested in doing this? Jonathan? You know you want to... Corbett: Give that BMW a workout! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 08:41:31 2005 From: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 8:41:21 -0400 > > From: Corbett B > Date: 2005/08/03 Wed PM 11:28:54 EDT > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? > > (Big Ruckus) > MAN...That thing is BEASTLY UGLY! ..and I LIKE IT! > ..it reminds me of a Honda generator with two wheels, or a dolly with handlebars. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 09:09:07 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:09:04 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "adamme1@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Cc: DC Cycles > ..it reminds me of a Honda generator with two wheels, or a > dolly with handlebars. 8-P It's actually both - doesn't mean that it's not cool, though :-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 09:21:42 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:21:38 -0400 From: Robert To: DCcycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? It even has it's own fan club... http://www.battlescooter.com Robert On 8/4/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > ..it reminds me of a Honda generator with two wheels, or a > > dolly with handlebars. 8-P > > It's actually both - doesn't mean that it's not cool, though :-) > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 10:01:18 2005 From: To: DCcycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:01:03 -0400 > > From: Robert > Date: 2005/08/04 Thu AM 09:21:38 EDT > To: DCcycles > Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? > > It even has it's own fan club... > > http://www.battlescooter.com > > Robert > ..I have to admit, it looks like it would be a lot of fun to ride. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 11:13:27 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:13:19 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: DCcycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? I think the Big Rukus would be the perfect thing to have in a Central American coastal town. Great for a beach day or jungle runs to ancient ruins. -Norris On 8/4/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > From: Robert > > Date: 2005/08/04 Thu AM 09:21:38 EDT > > To: DCcycles > > Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? > > > > It even has it's own fan club... > > > > http://www.battlescooter.com > > > > Robert > > > > > ..I have to admit, it looks like it would be a lot of fun to ride. > > -aki > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 11:26:03 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:25:47 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:13:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, drcorona@XXXXXX writes: > I think the Big Rukus would be the perfect thing to have in a Central > American coastal town. This _is_ a central American (US) costal town. > Great for a beach day or jungle runs to ancient > ruins. We gots ruins around here. I think the Rukus is really neat and about perfect around DC. Two wheels? Wave. Dont wave back? F*%#k em. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 12:16:27 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:17:44 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Two wheels? Wave. Dont wave back? F*%#k em. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Are you trying to create a ruckus? :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 12:56:52 2005 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:56:39 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF lessons OK all you MSF instructors out there, anyone willing to give a friend of mine some private lessons? He rode dirt bikes years ago but, never street bikes. I'm lousy at giving instructions and don't want to screw it up. He's not really interested in getting the MSF certificate, just the training. Also, anyone know of a good BIG EMPTY place to take him for some practice so he doesn't run anyone over? Anyone have a beater/trainer bike he could borrow as well. My R6 is still in pretty good condition and I'd like to keep it that way. lol Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 13:20:55 2005 From: To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:20:41 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Speaking of MSF Instructors...... How much does one make over the course of a weekend? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 14:01:37 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:01:30 -0400 From: Robert To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] OT: Auto shop recommendation Yeah, I know, I'm terminally lazy.... I'd like to get some work done on my car; lowering springs, tie bars, adjustable camber plates; and I'd rather pay somone to do the work. Car is a Dodge Neon SRT-4. Any recommends for a decent shop in the Falls Church/Arlington/Bailey's Crossroads area would be most appreciated. Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 14:05:46 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] OT: Auto shop recommendation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There used to be a suspension shop in Falls Church right off Lee Hwy. It was the first street on the left while heading south after crossing over I-66. Can't remember the name of the place but I remember a friend of mine had the same type of work done there. Glenn --- Robert wrote: > Yeah, I know, I'm terminally lazy.... I'd like to > get some work done > on my car; lowering springs, tie bars, adjustable > camber plates; and > I'd rather pay somone to do the work. Car is a > Dodge Neon SRT-4. > > Any recommends for a decent shop in the Falls > Church/Arlington/Bailey's Crossroads area would be > most appreciated. > > Robert Verde > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 14:08:05 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track Day 15 August- Coleman's To: DC Cycles Don't know if I was the Jonathan referred to, but I do want to get on the track again, just for the fun of it. It won't be this one though, I will be waiting till fall if I do it this year at all. I am getting the band back together though, one piece at a time. Now I just have to watch out for my wife breaking into a rendition of "Think" in our kitchen - --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone interested in doing this? Jonathan? You know > you want to... > > Corbett: Give that BMW a workout! > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 15:28:02 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:29:37 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Michael Jordan" , "DC-Cycles" Michael, I have tomorrow and Monday off. I am thinking of doing this trip. Any suggestions on the route? Thanks Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle On 6/20/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone up for a road trip: And on the way back, swing through Birminghan to visit the Barber for a bit more sensory overload, and from there through the Cherohala Skyway and Deal's Gap* to Maggie Valley, NC to see the Wheels Through Time museum. Finish it up with a leisurely ride back up the BRP and home again. When do we leave? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. * Technically, Deal's Gap is a side trip, but only 10 miles or so off course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 19:26:57 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:42:54 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter08.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF RiderCoach Pay I get $15.00 per hour for about twenty hours on the weekend. Plus I get $95.00 for being the site coordinator even if I don't teach that weekend. None of us are in it for the money! Can we sign you up ? Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 20:03:51 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:19:53 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter05.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Teaching your friend to ride Aki, I don't know how others may feel, but I won't do private lessons because while doing so, I am not covered by any kind of personal liability. If am teaching under the MSF banner I am. That's also the reason I stopped instructing for Friday at the Track at Summit Point. I enjoyed doing it and it earned me free track time, but all things considered I felt it was not worth the risk in today's legal climate. Just have him sign up and take the course. Everybody will be better off. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 21:39:14 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: MSF lessons Try this, spotted in recent Motorcycle Times. No reco or experience on my part. http://ezriders.hostrocket.com/index.html Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Will instruct for a chrome shine Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------------- Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:56:39 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF lessons OK all you MSF instructors out there, anyone willing to give a friend of mine some private lessons? . . .snip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 07:34:37 2005 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:34:28 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Sean Jordan , Thomas Jordan , DC Cycles , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Cool website - anyone used it? From the LDRider list: http://www.emachineshop.com/ -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 07:51:17 2005 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 04:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Cool website - anyone used it? To: DC Cycles yup, I've been designing stuff for over a year now. my local machineshop can do one or two part runs cheaper but it's the easiest CAD program I've run across. real engineers will scoff, but I'm not a real engineer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 07:53:36 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:53:21 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Teaching your friend to ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 8/4/2005 8:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bmckeithen@XXXXXX writes: > Just have him sign up and take the course. Everybody will be better off. It is also a _lot_ more fun. Still work, but shared. And having other novices around to compare "notes" with allows you to see that you are not the only one having problems. The course is set up for multiple riders and would be a real BORE solo. While I am no longer a coach (I was for 9 years.) I was unwilling to teach solo and know of no one who was willing to do so. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 16:36:42 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: rhall@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:36:30 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Project bike Does anyone have a project bike laying around they want to get rid of? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 21:12:38 2005 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:12:26 -0400 From: Armadillo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Project bike what are you looking for? On 8/5/05, rich hall wrote: > Does anyone have a project bike laying around they want to get rid of? > > > -- -=Eventus stultorum magister=- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 16:31:37 2005 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:49:44 -0500 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto chuckles Just found out my slightly mad Cuban amigo has a website: www.paco2.com Check it out. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 17:59:14 2005 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:00:29 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: Moto chuckles Begin forwarded message: > From: Bob McKeithen > Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 7:49:44 PM US/Eastern > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Moto chuckles > > Just found out my slightly mad Cuban amigo has a website: > www.paco2.com > Check it out. > > Bob > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 20:34:49 2005 From: "allen fahey" To: "DCCycles" Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:34:35 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] New to the list I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area. I am an automotive painter (I do side work:>) I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if anyone has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much. Thanks Allen Fahey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 21:15:31 2005 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:15:21 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: allen fahey Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list Cc: DCCycles Welcome, you've come to a great place to start. for starter bikes try http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/ and maybe http://www.2wf.com/classifieds/ and ebay on local bikes only. Trust me, ONLY buy a bike you can see in person. There are way too many dishonest people out there and it's not worth sending your money to a far away location. what's your style of bike and price range that you're looking for? - danny On 8/8/05, allen fahey wrote: > I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area. I am an automotive > painter (I do side work:>) I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if anyone > has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much. > Thanks > Allen Fahey > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 21:26:05 2005 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:25:54 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list Welcome to the list! You'll find almost no motorcycle-related content here. But if you want to read long pointless emails from Danny Motorcycle asking asinine legal questions, or flame wars and name calling started by Glenn Dysart, you've definitely found your spot! Enjoy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 21:57:18 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] New to the list Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:57:17 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79beb544449daa5f0df84716ba3ec99f16350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c TJ: Welcome to the list! You'll find almost no motorcycle-related content here. But if you want to read long pointless emails from Danny Motorcycle asking asinine legal questions, or flame wars and name calling started by Glenn Dysart, you've definitely found your spot! Enjoy. [Dave] You left out flaming by Gimer... WTF? How long have you been here? ;-) +1 on the list welcome... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 22:23:40 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] New to the list Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:23:32 -0400 If you're looking for a sportbike, check out the local messageboard's classifieds sections. www.dcsportbikes.com www.dcsportbikes.net If you haven't already, take the MSF class, it's the easiest/safest/best way to get started. >From: "allen fahey" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] New to the list >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:34:35 -0400 > >I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area. I am an automotive >painter (I do side work:>) I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if >anyone >has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much. >Thanks >Allen Fahey > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 23:17:47 2005 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:17:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: allen fahey CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list allen fahey wrote: >I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area. I am an automotive >painter (I do side work:>) I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if anyone >has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much. >Thanks >Allen Fahey > > I've got an '82 Suzuki GS850G (standard 80s UJM) that I might be persuaded to part with. It runs well, has engine guards, would probably be a decent starter bike for someone. I just don't ride it enough to justify keeping it around. Hork -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 9 20:11:57 2005 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:11:45 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] $50 motorcycle jack? I remember somewhere there was a motorcycle jack for $50. I think it was either, sams club, costco, harborfrieght tools, pep boys or autozone. Anyone know? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 9 20:38:30 2005 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:38:19 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag I remember some random chatter about these things a while ago... Saw one on Craigslist today for $600. I think that's even a high price, but it is half of the retail cost if anyone is interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 01:47:45 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:47:36 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: DCCycles I dont' know how many trailers get stolen, but I suspect not a lot. I see plenty sitting around all over, often enough unlocked. When i didnt' have room for mine, i'd leave it parked on a public street with minor locking. So I guess i'm recommending, that if you don't have space for a trailer, consider getting an average inexpensive trailer and leaving it parked in a public place in a good neighborhood locked up. Especially if better trailers are around, so they'd be less inclined to get yours. I've found 5x8 trailers to be worth every penny of what they cost. Mine has a drop down ramp which is invaluable when it comes to loading up a bike alone. - Danny On 8/9/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > I remember some random chatter about these things a while ago... Saw > one on Craigslist today for $600. I think that's even a high price, > but it is half of the retail cost if anyone is interested. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 08:46:59 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:48:32 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] New to the list Fahey Alleged: "I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area." [Carl:] Welcome. Any kin to the late great John Fahey? Allen Feigned: I am an automotive painter (I do side work:>) [Carl:] An occasional motorcycle question on list is "Where can I get my bike painted?" (Buncha poseurs, just take a ride in the rain.:^) Fahey Averred: "I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if anyone has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much." [Carl:] What to you mean by "Starter bike"? o Are you just getting into motorcycling? If yes, The MSF recommendation is first rate. It is a great way to ensure your survival during that first year. There are several MSF instructors on the list. Maybe the one from W(BG)V will announce one in the near future. Alas, getting into a Merryland course is a hassle: Too many customers, too few courses, and poor recruitment of instructors.* Another recommendation is start small 250-500 cc. Get something light and cheap that you can learn to fling around and won't break your heart if you bend it. After a year, you'll have a better idea of what kind of motorcycles you want for your second and third bikes.** If you're adept with a wrench, there are a lot of neglected bikes out there that just need fluids changed and carbs cleaned turn them into a first rate ride. The recommended sites, www.cycltrader.com, and user lists such as this one often have reliable offerings. For instance, on SabMag, a buddy in southern W(BG)V offered: "A 2001 Ninja EX-250. Near mint condition. Less than 1200 miles. Red and black color scheme. Starts and runs excellent, but will probably need a battery soon. Tires are great. Chain and sprockets excellent. Never down. $2000.00 firm." Carl in Bethesda ** '83 VF700F 'Ceptor "666" For fun '85 VF700S Sabre "Rocin-ahora" For commuting and chores. '96 ST1100 "Slips Through Slow Traffic" For longer distances. *Remember that thread a few years ago with MD MVA? Even Larry Grodsky participated). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:04:54 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:04:45 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Cc: "Julian Halton" Subject: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm I tried posting three messages to the list yesterday and every single one disappeared into cyberspace. I didn't make it to Memphis but I made it to Rainelle, WV which is an absolutely awesome ride, rafted the New river, managed to stay in the boat and enjoy a weekend away from Angstington (or is it Arlington) VA. For all those who haven't been I think US 60 is awesome. Can't wait to do this one again. My second posting involved a link to a story on the results of repealing the helmet law in Florida and now I can't find the article on the site. My third post was about maintaining chrome, specifically my GYT-R Yamaha racing pipe that due to its position is often found in contact with my foot. After a week of use, there were some deep marks on the chrome that refused to come out with Honda Spray and elbow grease. I resorted to the rough pad in my owners packet that the manual says is to be used to clean the muffler. Little did I know that I would scratch the pipe and create a very unattractive off silver patch. I have tried using the wadding polish Nevr-Dull and also Turtle Wax's chrome polish. Thus far limited success, Any tips on restoring the chrome to its shiny, happy state and then keeping it that way? thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:13:32 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:13:20 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Stands I just got front & rear stands. Having never used stands before I was hoping someone could show me how they work. I'd rather not drop the bike, trying to figure it out for myself. I'm in the Arlington/Alexandria/Falls Church area. TIA, Rich - '02 SVS From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:16:13 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:15:07 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm Julian Halton wrote: >I tried posting three messages to the list yesterday and every single >one disappeared into cyberspace. I didn't make it to Memphis but I made >it to Rainelle, WV which is an absolutely awesome ride, rafted the New >river, managed to stay in the boat and enjoy a weekend away from >Angstington (or is it Arlington) VA. For all those who haven't been I >think US 60 is awesome. Can't wait to do this one again. > We run the Upper Gauley every year (anyone interested? Running UG with Ace WW 9-10 with camping 9,10 in Oak Hill, WV. ~$200) Somewhere in the archives you can find a write up I did of 60 past White Sulpher Springs. Fun road. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:18:58 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:18:47 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list This list died years ago. At this point it is in decay. So, for some moto-related content, anyone looking for a Suzuki Bandit 400? Runs but smokes a bit. Low milage. On 8/9/05, Corbett B wrote: > I think I've just been sticking around to see what a list looks like when it dies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:24:18 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:24:12 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Thomas Jordan" , "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Dawn of the Dead Why not give the list some CPR? A certain realtor introduced me to it and I can state that I have: - learned some - made some new friends - enjoyed putting what little writing ability I have to use Lack of sleep has prevented me from posting more. I still hope to make it to Memphis and still have an eye open for some fun route suggestions. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Jordan [mailto:thomas.jordan@XXXXXX] To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list This list died years ago. At this point it is in decay. So, for some moto-related content, anyone looking for a Suzuki Bandit 400? Runs but smokes a bit. Low milage. On 8/9/05, Corbett B wrote: > I think I've just been sticking around to see what a list looks like when it dies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:24:40 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:22:11 -0400 Putting hand up. My trailer was stolen and it was parked on a public street alond with a bunch of boats and other stuff the HOA wouldn't allow us to park in front of our homes. Just a data point. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Danny Motorcycle said: I dont' know how many trailers get stolen, but I suspect not a lot. I see plenty sitting around all over, often enough unlocked. When i didnt' have room for mine, i'd leave it parked on a public street with minor locking. So I guess i'm recommending, that if you don't have space for a trailer, consider getting an average inexpensive trailer and leaving it parked in a public place in a good neighborhood locked up. Especially if better trailers are around, so they'd be less inclined to get yours. I've found 5x8 trailers to be worth every penny of what they cost. Mine has a drop down ramp which is invaluable when it comes to loading up a bike alone. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:31:12 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:30:57 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Been doing the Lower Yough for the past 5 or 6 years with friends personally. Just did it in June. Managed to take a swim once this year. Stayed in the previous years. Except when we did the Cheat about 4 years ago. Can you say "life passing before your eyes"? Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm Julian Halton wrote:)B  )B  >I tried posting three messages to the list yesterday and every single)B  >one disappeared into cyberspace. I didn't make it to Memphis but I made)B  >it to Rainelle, WV which is an absolutely awesome ride, rafted the New)B  >river, managed to stay in the boat and enjoy a weekend away from)B  >Angstington (or is it Arlington) VA. For all those who haven't been I)B  >think US 60 is awesome. Can't wait to do this one again.)B  >)B  We run the Upper Gauley every year (anyone interested? Running UG with Ace WW 9-10 with camping 9,10 in Oak Hill, WV. ~$200) Somewhere in the archives you can find a write up I did of 60 past White Sulpher Springs. Fun road.)B  )B  -- ___________________________________)B  Mike Troutman)B  )B  mike@XXXXXX  )B  http://www.troutman.org/  )B  Home 703.392.1066  )B  Cell 703.565.4801  )B  Fax 703.392.4665  )B  ICQ 239667121  )B  From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:35:29 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "Dc-Cycles" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:35:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag LT raised her hand to be counted: Putting hand up. My trailer was stolen and it was parked on a public street alond with a bunch of boats and other stuff the HOA wouldn't allow us to park in front of our homes. [Dave] Is it any wonder the 1st 2 letters of HOA are "HO", common slang for whore? It's at least appropriate... When I had to put up with HO's, I parked my bike next to the sidewalk, with my car in front of it. Yes, I was targeted by the HOs. I then offered to take up a complete and separate space with my moto. HO representatives had a change of heart upon contemplating the implications. I wouldn't have been able to accomodate a trailer... I can now :-) PROUD to be HOA Negative! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 10:33:19 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "rich hall" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Stands Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:31:49 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Always put it on the rear stand first! ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Stands >I just got front & rear stands. Having never used stands before I was >hoping someone could show me how they work. I'd rather not drop the bike, >trying to figure it out for myself. > I'm in the Arlington/Alexandria/Falls Church area. > > TIA, > Rich - '02 SVS > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 10:33:34 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list Content-ID: <21767.1123684412.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:33:32 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >This list died years ago. At this point it is in decay. Geez, let's not get all goth, now. :) The list membership has been in the 250-350 range for the past 5 years or so, but the number of postings did start to decline in 2002. What happened in 2002? The list started rejecting postings with "attachments". Makes me wonder how many "read-only" subscribers we have who have had postings rejected, and haven't been able to figure out how to fix it. We're currently doing about 300 messages per month, which I think is a nice place to be, actually, but if there's anybody who has had postings rejected, and can't figure out what to do about it, feel free to send me private email, and I'll try to help you get things setup right. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 11:51:56 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:51:46 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] $50 motorcycle jack? I got mine at Pep Boys 49.99. Great for light use, I only need it a few times a year. I might look at craftsman if I was using it more. -Norris On 8/9/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I remember somewhere there was a motorcycle jack for $50. I think it > was either, sams club, costco, harborfrieght tools, pep boys or > autozone. Anyone know? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 12:57:21 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:56:40 -0400 To: "DCCycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm At 09:04 AM 8/10/05 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >wadding polish Nevr-Dull and also Turtle Wax's chrome polish. Thus far >limited success, Any tips on restoring the chrome to its shiny, happy >state and then keeping it that way? It depends on whether you've removed the chrome or just scratched it up. If it's been removed, you'd have to get it replated to restore it. If it's scratched, you need to polish it. That means a series of ever finer polishes to reduce the size of the scratches progressively until it looks shiny again. Power tools are really helpful with that if you want to finish any time soon. It's very possible to screw this up and remove the chrome if you are too aggressive with it, so be careful or get a pro to do it. I believe there are chrome finish restoration polish kits available, but I don't have any specific recommendations. Chrome plating isn't very thick. Chrome is really hard, so it doesn't scratch all that easily, but the plating can be very fragile in a cheap plating job. A good job involves plating in copper first, then a fairly thick layer of nickel, and then a thin coat of chrome on top of that (sometimes called "triple chrome"). When done this way you get a pretty durable finish that won't get those tiny rust pinholes and then "bubbles" where rust has formed under the chrome layers any time soon if properly maintained. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 13:34:59 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:54:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Mike B. wrote: > It depends on whether you've removed the chrome or just scratched it up. Chrome?!?!? It's a sportbike pipe, Mike :-) Julian, use Mother's Billet Polish and some elbow grease. A drill with some type of polishing wheel attached will make short work of it. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 13:41:51 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:39:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , "DCCycles" Cc: "Julian Halton" Here is a link to the part. The muffler shell is carbon fiber. What got scratched is the pipe connected to it. According to the site info it is stainless steel. http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/accessories/acscitem500/5/8/191/2031/a ll/1/3275/0/main/itemdetail.aspx The actual part looks very different from this image. It really is super shiny and looks like chrome - not the dull grey you see in the image. http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/accessories/acscitemdetail/5/8/191/203 1/all/1/3275/0/detail.aspx Regardless it scratches and gets stained very easily. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 13:47:31 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:06:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Julian Halton wrote: > Here is a link to the part. > The muffler shell is carbon fiber. What got scratched is the pipe > connected to it. According to the site info it is stainless steel. My 'Busa pipe is all SS and Mother's works great to clean it up. I also use it on tailpipes on my cars, supercharger/intercooler (polished alum), wheels, etc. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 14:05:11 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:04:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm Wayne commented: My 'Busa pipe is all SS and Mother's works great to clean it up. I also use it on tailpipes on my cars, supercharger/intercooler (polished alum), wheels, etc. [Dave] I think it would be great if my mother would clean my 11's exhaust! ;-) She did help me re-cover a moto seat once. But no on the exhaust. My 11's header is (not-so)stainless, and it's kind of the color of ... well...road grime. Ditto the can. I just can't bring myself get rid of all those sentimental miles worth of dirt ;-) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 14:21:19 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:20:05 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm At 01:54 PM 8/10/05 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Mike B. wrote: > >> It depends on whether you've removed the chrome or just scratched it up. > >Chrome?!?!? It's a sportbike pipe, Mike :-) Yeah, *Chrome*. I'm just going with the report from the guy who actually has the part in question. As Julian said: >Any tips on restoring the chrome to its shiny, happy >state and then keeping it that way? If it's actually aluminum, steel, or some other solid metal, then just polish it with the right stuff and it will be good as new (as far as you can tell without precision measuring equipment anyway). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 15:47:29 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:47:19 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "LindaT." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: Dc-Cycles Did the stolen trailer have any locking devices engaged on it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 21:46:24 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:44:07 -0400 Yes, I had a padlock through the ball lock. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: LindaT. Cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Did the stolen trailer have any locking devices engaged on it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 01:33:28 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:33:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "LindaT." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: Dc-Cycles Interesting. Sorry to hear that. Was it insured or a total loss? On 8/10/05, LindaT. wrote: > Yes, I had a padlock through the ball lock. > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > Hollywood, FL > IBA,BMWBMW,AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:47 PM > To: LindaT. > Cc: Dc-Cycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag > > > Did the stolen trailer have any locking devices engaged on it? > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 07:14:43 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them up there. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 07:40:08 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:39:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Glenn Dysart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Glenn Dysart wrote: >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ > >I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I >saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them >up there. > >Glenn > > Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to ride around completely unprotected up there. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 08:24:26 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:24:53 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL enn Dysart wrote: >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ > >I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I >saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them >up there. > >Glenn > > > You should see the helmet law here in Delaware. You don't have to wear your helmet, but the helmet has to be with you somewhere on the bike. I just find it so ridiculous to see people riding around with their heads exposed and a perfectly good helmet strapped to their motorcycle. Laura www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 08:37:24 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:37:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Hork commented: Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to ride around completely unprotected up there. [Dave] Yeah, but this is America... Freedom (not that any of us have it) should include the freedom to go helmetless, belt less, topless... ;-) Likewise, it includes folks like us snickering at them... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 08:58:15 2005 X-Sasl-Enc: ZvvkXLzoIhOUt3JcmsqKU89zTX3+ZceCx0zpuiq8f1dc 1123765087 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:58:07 -0400 > Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't > wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to > wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally > surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to > ride around completely unprotected up there. > > Horkster My brother is signed up for the MSF course in CT this fall, and I get the feeling (just from knowing him for 34 years) that if he does get a bike, he won't wear a helmet often. So I'm actually hoping he fails, or finds that he doesn't like riding. My parents' friend recently got back into motorcycling, and they keep asking me to talk to him about wearing a helmet, since he rarely does. His excuse is that he doesn't ride on the highways. Ohhhh, accidents only happen on highways?? I didn't know that. *rolling eyes* Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan Fairfax, VA The Tribe MC, Vice President 1998 Kawasaki Concours (called GTR1000 outside the USA) Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 09:13:17 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:12:49 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Yep, PA went helmetless not too long ago. I see it all the time when I go home to visit the folks. I still wear my helmet all the time though. Just don't feel comfortable without it. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them up there. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 09:22:27 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:20:12 -0400 No insurance. Boo hoo. I did report it to the cops. They weren't much interested. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: LindaT. Cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Interesting. Sorry to hear that. Was it insured or a total loss? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 09:35:03 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:27:43 -0400 From: Kelly Norton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL I talked to a couple guys on Harleys in Ohio a couple of months ago. These guys were probably in their late 50s/early 60s. We were talking about places with nice roads etc. I mentioned the Blue Ridge Parkway and the roads that I had ridden on in NC & Ten. Both guys shook their heads. They said they'd like to ride the Blue Ridge Parkway but wouldn't because they'd have to wear helmets in Va/NC. I suggested they keep paying their AMA membership fees and maybe they'd get their way. They were worried that the AMA would lobby more for lane splitting than repeal of helmet laws in these states. I got the impression that they thought lane splitting was useless. I was amazed that someone would pass up riding on some of the best roads in country because they'd have to wear a helmet. Glenn Dysart wrote: >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ > >I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I >saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them >up there. > >Glenn > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 09:51:28 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:49:20 -0400 When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my insurance company (whoever that was at the time) about insuring it. They said no. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Mike B. said: That's too bad...especially since insurance is so cheap for a moto trailer. I just got one and the additional cost to put comprehensive and collision on it was $16/year with the same deductibles I have on the car and bike. When it's hooked to my car, the car insurance covered it anyway, but when it's parked/stored it doesn't...adding it seperately means it's covered all the time. Not having to worry about it getting stolen or run over while parked somewhere is worth $16/year IMO. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:05:46 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's because you are usually covered from the insurance from the vehicle you are towing it with, or so I was told from my agent. Once its disconneted from the vehicle though I don't know if theft would be covered. Glenn --- "LindaT." wrote: > When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my > insurance company (whoever > that was at the time) about insuring it. They said > no. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:18:56 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:18:48 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL It's interesting, one study said up 100%, one up 50% one up 25% and then there was that one where fatalities were down. It's also interesting how they choose "2 years" "3 years" "1 year". Obviously if you're trying to get a high or low figure, you're going to choose the amount of years that yeilds the best results to what you're trying to say. Also they fail to mention what was the increase of the death rate prior to the helmet law being passed. If the death rate is up 50% the following 3 years after a helmet law was passed, but the death rate was still up 50% before it passed, then helmet laws really had nothing ot do wth the death rate. If anyone is comparing 4 years, 2 years prior and 2 years latter, and calling that a study they need to be fired. 86% of liars use statistics to make their points. On 8/11/05, Dale Horstman wrote: > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ > > > >I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I > >saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them > >up there. > > > >Glenn > > > > > > Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't > wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to > wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally > surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to > ride around completely unprotected up there. > > Horkster > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:42:31 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:40:17 -0400 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag At 09:20 AM 8/11/05 -0400, LindaT. wrote: >No insurance. Boo hoo. I did report it to the cops. They weren't much >interested. That's too bad...especially since insurance is so cheap for a moto trailer. I just got one and the additional cost to put comprehensive and collision on it was $16/year with the same deductibles I have on the car and bike. When it's hooked to my car, the car insurance covered it anyway, but when it's parked/stored it doesn't...adding it seperately means it's covered all the time. Not having to worry about it getting stolen or run over while parked somewhere is worth $16/year IMO. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:42:52 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:43:30 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag It isn't. While hooked up, the tow vehicle's coverage generally applies, but once unhooked, it doesn't. While it's in your garage it's probably covered by your homeowner's policy, but if parked elsewhere, it's not. If my insurance company had refused coverage, I'd probably have considered changing companies, but I've got a good one and they didn't have a problem with it. They are covering it 98% of the time already since they insure my car, my bike and my house too. -- Mike B. At 07:05 AM 8/11/05 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >That's because you are usually covered from the >insurance from the vehicle you are towing it with, or >so I was told from my agent. Once its disconneted >from the vehicle though I don't know if theft would be >covered. > >Glenn > >--- "LindaT." wrote: > >> When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my >> insurance company (whoever >> that was at the time) about insuring it. They said >> no. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:50:07 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:00 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL I'm still trying to understand it that a large enough percentage of the populace are this stupid. It's no wonder the gov't robs us in the name of the common good. It's kind of like people who engage in addictive substances when they know before hand what they are getting into and do it anyway. I guess it stands to reason.. people with good working brains protects itself.. people who's brains are stupid would lack the intelligence to protect itself. Maybe we should encourage people to not wear a helmet..if your'e that stupid to believe you dont' need it, we're probably better off without you LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:53:20 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:53:11 -0400 Homeowners/Renters??? >From: Glenn Dysart >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:05:38 -0700 (PDT) > >That's because you are usually covered from the >insurance from the vehicle you are towing it with, or >so I was told from my agent. Once its disconneted >from the vehicle though I don't know if theft would be >covered. > >Glenn > >--- "LindaT." wrote: > > > When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my > > insurance company (whoever > > that was at the time) about insuring it. They said > > no. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 11:51:15 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:52:46 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" Harry (The all seeing, all powerful, benevolent List Administrator -- Hail Harry) Meretrix Proclaimed: "the number of postings did start to decline in 2002. What happened in 2002? The list started rejecting postings with "attachments". Yeah, I received a couple of rejections from my Yahoo account. Found out Yahoo mail started putting my messages in those #$@# little envelopes. Anyone got a quick fix - or - do I hav-ta "Read The Factory Manual"? OB Moto: Some of us geezers on SabMag are planning another sojourn down Mexico way this February. We're planning on the east coast this time to Yucatan or Oaxaca or both. Comments and envy are welcome. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahora); '83 VF700F (666); 96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:12:50 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:12:30 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO AOhelL does the same thing. By default, any message you send includes an HTML version of it so, the DC Cycles list thinks it's an attachment and blocks it. I had to set all of my outgoing e-mail to send as Plain Text before it would work. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Custer, Carl To: 'DCCycles' Subject: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" Harry (The all seeing, all powerful, benevolent List Administrator -- Hail Harry) Meretrix Proclaimed: "the number of postings did start to decline in 2002. What happened in 2002? The list started rejecting postings with "attachments". Yeah, I received a couple of rejections from my Yahoo account. Found out Yahoo mail started putting my messages in those #$@# little envelopes. Anyone got a quick fix - or - do I hav-ta "Read The Factory Manual"? OB Moto: Some of us geezers on SabMag are planning another sojourn down Mexico way this February. We're planning on the east coast this time to Yucatan or Oaxaca or both. Comments and envy are welcome. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahora); '83 VF700F (666); 96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:20:08 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:20:00 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: rich hall Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX $16.. That is pretty good. That's cheaper than my kryptonite chain I tend to put on mine. On 8/11/05, rich hall wrote: > Homeowners/Renters??? > > >From: Glenn Dysart > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag > >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:05:38 -0700 (PDT) > > > >That's because you are usually covered from the > >insurance from the vehicle you are towing it with, or > >so I was told from my agent. Once its disconneted > >from the vehicle though I don't know if theft would be > >covered. > > > >Glenn > > > >--- "LindaT." wrote: > > > > > When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my > > > insurance company (whoever > > > that was at the time) about insuring it. They said > > > no. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:25:14 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:25:05 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Kryptonite chain? Is that why you sign your speeding tickets "Superman"? On 8/11/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > $16.. That is pretty good. That's cheaper than my kryptonite chain I > tend to put on mine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:33:45 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:34:36 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL At 10:50 AM 8/11/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >It's kind of like people who engage in addictive substances when they >know before hand what they are getting into and do it anyway. Or people who ride motorcycles when there is much more protection available in cars and trucks? Why do you ride, rather than drive? Because the experience is different, and you like that? You are willing to give up some safety in exchange for that? How is this any different from someone who wants the experience of riding without a helmet rather than riding with one, and is willing to give up the extra safety for that? Why are they stupid, but you aren't? Personally, I wear a helmet, even when in PA or DE where it's optional, and even when riding with people who remove theirs and ask me why I'm bothering with mine. I don't consider the different experience worth the loss of protection in that case...but that's just me. I recognize that others have different views on that choice. I oppose helmet laws, not helmets. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:37:26 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:37:08 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO And so it begins. The great helmet debate. I didn't think it was that time of year for it yet. lol Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Mike B. To: Danny Motorcycle ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL At 10:50 AM 8/11/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >It's kind of like people who engage in addictive substances when they >know before hand what they are getting into and do it anyway. Or people who ride motorcycles when there is much more protection available in cars and trucks? Why do you ride, rather than drive? Because the experience is different, and you like that? You are willing to give up some safety in exchange for that? How is this any different from someone who wants the experience of riding without a helmet rather than riding with one, and is willing to give up the extra safety for that? Why are they stupid, but you aren't? Personally, I wear a helmet, even when in PA or DE where it's optional, and even when riding with people who remove theirs and ask me why I'm bothering with mine. I don't consider the different experience worth the loss of protection in that case...but that's just me. I recognize that others have different views on that choice. I oppose helmet laws, not helmets. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 15:11:17 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Why do you ride, rather than drive? hmm, $6/day + 30 min bus ride + mandatory commuting period vs $80/mo parking permit + choking on N395 fumes vs 15 min commute on HOV via the bike. > Why are they stupid, but you aren't? because they just are. any fool knows that when the skull has an interface with asphault, the skull is going to lose. The probability of an accident occuring is the same, helmet or no (all other things being equal - they're not (attitude, tendency to take risky action, skill etc. but we'll let that slide). The probability of injury not to mention severity is VASTLY different depending if a helmet is worn or not. > even when riding with people who remove theirs and ask me why I'm > bothering with mine. I have nothing but disdain for those who don't wear a helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 16:02:06 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:01:58 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ditto on what matt said... I'm for full face helmets, and against helmet laws. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 17:59:09 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:58:02 -0400 From: skip To: scooterfzr@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > I had to set all of my outgoing e-mail to send as Plain > Text before it would work. thank you Harry. I hate html mail. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 18:13:29 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:13:19 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles , ldrider , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [GSX1100G] Pass along this TV spot...d From the GSX1100G list: Greetings fellow G-Nuts... Thought you might enjoy this tv spot. Pass it along to everyone you know, especially the NON-riding public. Enjoy. http://www.splicehere.tv/player.php?MF=hi&ID=spotsoffline2 -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 21:57:55 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:57:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Louis F. Caplan wrote: >>Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't >>wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to >>wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally >>surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to >>ride around completely unprotected up there. >> >>Horkster >> >> > >My brother is signed up for the MSF course in CT this fall, and I get >the feeling (just from knowing him for 34 years) that if he does get a >bike, he won't wear a helmet often. > Well, at least he is taking the MSF course. My same idiot brother-in-law keeps coming up with excuses on why he hasn't taken the MSF course in PA (and it is (or it was, not sure if it still is) FREE for PA residents)... Sigh. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 21:59:18 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:59:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Kelly Norton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Kelly Norton wrote: > They were worried that the AMA would lobby more for lane splitting And here I think that is exactly what the AMA should be lobbying for - lane splitting. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 07:51:34 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0400 I think I read in PA you have to have taken MSF, be 21, & ridden for 2 yrs, to not LEGALLY wear a helmet. >From: Dale Horstman >To: "Louis F. Caplan" >CC: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:57:37 -0400 > >Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >>>Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't >>>wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to >>>wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally >>>surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to >>>ride around completely unprotected up there. >>> >>>Horkster >>> >>> >> >>My brother is signed up for the MSF course in CT this fall, and I get >>the feeling (just from knowing him for 34 years) that if he does get a >>bike, he won't wear a helmet often. >> > >Well, at least he is taking the MSF course. My same idiot >brother-in-law keeps coming up with excuses on why he >hasn't taken the MSF course in PA (and it is (or it was, >not sure if it still is) FREE for PA residents)... > >Sigh. > >Horkster > > >-- >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 07:56:30 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > $16.. That is pretty good. That's cheaper than my kryptonite chain I > tend to put on mine. I have an 18' car trailer and my insurance is about the same through Allstate. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 10:27:26 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:27:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: DCCycles On 8/11/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Kryptonite chain? Is that why you sign your speeding tickets "Superman"? Superman doesn't sign tickets, he flies away LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 12:10:18 2005 To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" Content-ID: <12994.1123863015.1@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:10:15 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Found out Yahoo mail started putting my messages in those #$@# little >envelopes. Anyone got a quick fix - or - do I hav-ta "Read The Factory >Manual"? Yahoo users can try this: http://mailformat.dan.info/config/yahoo.html There's also info on a bunch of mail clients here: http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Anybody who still has trouble figuring it out, feel free to send me private email, I'll try to help. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 13:20:42 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:20:29 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Just like the tale of Muhammed Ali getting on an airplane. The stewardess told him to buckle his seatbelt and he told her "Superman don't need no seatbelt." To which she replied, "Superman don't need no plane neither." hehe Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag On 8/11/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Kryptonite chain? Is that why you sign your speeding tickets "Superman"? Superman doesn't sign tickets, he flies away LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 13:37:37 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just leave the lobbying for no helmet laws to the Neanderthals that belong to ABATE. That seems to be the only issue they're ever concerned about. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Kelly Norton wrote: > > > They were worried that the AMA would lobby more > for lane splitting > > > And here I think that is exactly what the AMA should > be > lobbying for - lane splitting. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 14:37:25 2005 From: To: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel oh gawd...that's right behind my old office at OJS... http://tinyurl.com/7pc5y -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 15:10:12 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:10:05 -0400 Is that tunnel going to the Capitol/D St or going to 395? Speaking of which, there's a sign for that tunnel, that says speed camera, headed towards the Capitol. I've been through there at a pace that might trigger such a camera, before I saw, said sign. Anyone know if there is a camera in there? >From: >To: >Subject: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0400 > >oh gawd...that's right behind my old office at OJS... > >http://tinyurl.com/7pc5y From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 15:34:13 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:32:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Track Day Monday I am heading out Monday early for the Coleman's Track Day. If anyone wants to ride out or is going and wants to say hi. I will be bike number #22 Black 05 R6, Hope everyone has a great weekend!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 15:38:17 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:38:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: [dc-cycles] Track Day Monday Set Up Questions Looks like I need engine ice coolant and to drain and flush my existing coolant. If anyone is around this weekend and willing to help it would be much appreciated. Cheers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 15:53:32 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track Day Monday Set Up Questions Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:51:53 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX I recommend you stay away from Engine Ice, not all tracks or track day organizations approve of it. Use only distilled water and Water Wetter. My $.02 Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" ; Subject: [dc-cycles] Track Day Monday Set Up Questions > > > > Looks like I need engine ice coolant and to drain and flush my existing > coolant. If anyone is around this weekend and willing to help it would > be much appreciated. > > Cheers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 16:18:50 2005 From: "Gary Keim" To: "dc-cycles list" Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:18:39 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Lane Splitting AMA won't get the Lane Splitting Laws changed without the help of the Neanderthals at ABATE. If enough of you would put your money where your mouth is and join ABATE you might find out what a State Motorcycle Rights Organization does. It's not all about helmets. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 16:56:30 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:53:18 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Yes, there is one as you're headed out of DC to 395 just as you leave the tunnel on the right hand side. I think there are also two white lines running across the road as well. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: rich hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel Is that tunnel going to the Capitol/D St or going to 395?    Speaking of which, there's a sign for that tunnel, that says speed camera, headed towards the Capitol. I've been through there at a pace that might trigger such a camera, before I saw, said sign. Anyone know if there is a camera in there?    >From:   >To:   >Subject: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel  >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0400  >  >oh gawd...that's right behind my old office at OJS...  >  >http://tinyurl.com/7pc5y    From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 19:56:09 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lane Splitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX AMA needs Abate like I need a hole in the head. I don't support Abate's notion that there shouldn't be helmet laws. Not unless they push just as hard to let insurance companies deny payouts on head injuries to those who don't wear helmets. If mandatory helmet laws are recinded then you have to deal with a variety of fallout. problem: insurers refuse to insure motorcyclists period, helmeted or not answer: legislation is currently trying to prevent discrimination based on "dangerous" activity. otherwise we'll have dozens of classes of insured persons. (eg. bus riders vs bicyclists vs motorcycle poseurs vs motorcycle commuters vs train riders vs ...) which quickly leads to problem: everybody's insurance premiums go up (general public included) answer: carriers simply exit the market be it state or regional level The only real solution is one of: 1) surcharge based on activity - ie motorcyclists simply pay higher premiums than 'normal' people. But this quickly gets into the "well, he's obese/diabetic/has cancer/epleptic/skis/dives/.... so how come he only pays just 'normal' rates..." mess that the aforementioned legislation was trying to prevent. 2) mandatory helmet laws to keep costs down 3) no mandatory helmet laws but also no carrier liability to pay for any costs arising from head trauma arriving from a motorcycle accident when no helmet was being worn. The simplest and most easy to live with from an enforcement and legal stance is option #2. #3 is the most libertarian but seeing as how this country does nothing but try to evade personal responsibility, the courts will be full of plaintiffs (survivors) trying to overturn their policies because they didn't bother to read the fine print or wear a helmet that one time that fate caught up with them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 21:23:02 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:22:55 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Steve Beck Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Didn't one of their top officials die from a MC wreck without a helmet? On 8/12/05, Steve Beck wrote: > Just leave the lobbying for no helmet laws to the > Neanderthals that belong to ABATE. That seems to be > the only issue they're ever concerned about. > > > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Kelly Norton wrote: > > > > > They were worried that the AMA would lobby more > > for lane splitting > > > > > > And here I think that is exactly what the AMA should > > be > > lobbying for - lane splitting. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 22:31:31 2005 From: "Gary Keim" To: "dc-cycles list" Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:31:20 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Opion You don't even know how State Motorcycle Laws are created or changed. AMA has to rely on State MRO's (ABATE} to introduce bills or fight changes to existing bills. It's all about your right to ride, no matter how you chose to do it, or what kind of bike you ride. If we don't work together we all lose!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 13 00:38:40 2005 From: "Patrick Carter" To: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:37:28 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 2001 Suzuki GSX-r 600 Track bike - $3650 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/90755948.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 13 00:39:23 2005 From: "Patrick Carter" To: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:38:11 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 2000 Honda CBR600F4 $3650/OBO Fresh paint - $3650 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/90757275.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 13 01:20:52 2005 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:19:34 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] starter bike Ive got 2 friends (I know surprising, if you've met me, but it's true) that are looking for bikes. guy one is looking for an old school CB550 ro 750. 1975 or thereabouts. this guy has ridden before the other guy is looking for a starter bike. he's ridden, but not much, and I dont' believe he's ever ridden on the street. a GSXR is -not- what he needs. what he needs is a smallish, naked-ish bike. I can send them both to ebay (and I will) but I figured I'd check here first. so i'm looking for a god starter bike that this guy can throw on the ground without making it look any uglier than it already is. you all know what I'm talking about. so. whatchoogot? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 13 19:44:42 2005 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:43:04 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter10.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Great ride last weekend If you have not been to Burkes Garden (off I-81 near Tazewell --go--soon. Last weekend Nancy and I did a 250 mile loop out of Mt Airy, NC with friends Dick and Karen. The best was Va. Rt 91--about 30 miles of paved twisties followed by 25 miles of gravel( we don't need no stinking dual sport) then drops down into the garden. Stop at the store-the only commercial establishment in the Garden-then do the loop around the edge. Exit with about 15 miles of gravel with double switch-backs( we don't need no stinking dual sport) going up and out. One of the best rides we have done in a long time Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 14 00:03:36 2005 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] starter bike To: skip , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Someone posted a few days ago about a Suzuki Bandit 400 for sale locally. I rode one one from DC to New England on back roads and loved it. Adam --- skip wrote: > Ive got 2 friends (I know surprising, if you've met > me, but it's true) > that are looking for bikes. guy one is looking for > an old school CB550 > ro 750. 1975 or thereabouts. this guy has ridden > before > > the other guy is looking for a starter bike. he's > ridden, but not much, > and I dont' believe he's ever ridden on the street. > a GSXR is -not- > what he needs. what he needs is a smallish, > naked-ish bike. I can send > them both to ebay (and I will) but I figured I'd > check here first. so > i'm looking for a god starter bike that this guy can > throw on the ground > without making it look any uglier than it already > is. you all know what > I'm talking about. > > > so. > > whatchoogot? > > > --skip > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 14 13:25:25 2005 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:25:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Bob McKeithen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great ride last weekend Bob McKeithen wrote: > If you have not been to Burkes Garden (off I-81 near Tazewell > --go--soon. Last weekend Nancy and I did a 250 mile loop out of Mt > Airy, NC with friends Dick and Karen. The best was Va. Rt 91--about 30 > miles of paved twisties followed by 25 miles of gravel( we don't need > no stinking dual sport) then drops down into the garden. Stop at the > store-the only commercial establishment in the Garden-then do the loop > around the edge. Exit with about 15 miles of gravel with double > switch-backs( we don't need no stinking dual sport) going up and out. > One of the best rides we have done in a long time > > Bob > > > Bob, Burkes Garden was a fantastic bonus in the Feast in the East Rally a few years ago. I had never been there - it was like riding back in time when you got to that general store. The paved road going in was wonderful, but I found the switchback gravel road coming out to the South to be quite pucker-inducing on my Concours. It's a great place to experience first hand. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 15 20:37:35 2005 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:37:30 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Yarmouth, Nova Scotia to be precise. Neat boat ride - 120 miles in 2.5 hours (www.catferry.com). This puppy (or should I say kitty) moves out right smartly for a 400' boat. Gonna loop the Bay of Fundy and head back home in a day or two. Cheers. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 15 20:59:41 2005 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:59:30 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? On 8/15/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > Yarmouth, Nova Scotia to be precise. Neat boat ride - 120 miles in 2.5 > hours (www.catferry.com). This puppy (or should I say kitty) moves out > right smartly for a 400' boat. MANY years ago, I got to ride a kind of predecessor to that... a hydroplane ferry used to run across the English Channel from Southhampton to, um... somewhere in France. ;) It was a pretty neat ride. Gonna have to check out the Cat one of these days - looks like fun. How much effort did you have to go through to tie the bike down on that critter? > Gonna loop the Bay of Fundy and head back home in a day or two. Excellent! Hope you took a camera and are gonna post a few shots when you get back. Enjoy the rest of the trip! --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 15 22:00:51 2005 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:00:49 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Cc: DC Cycles > Gonna have to check out the Cat one of these days - looks like > fun. How much effort did you have to go through to tie the bike down > on that critter? Tiedowns on deck and industrial straps provided. I'd have brought some some soft loops had I known. Bike on centerstand, forks lightly compressed and rear tied down (flat deck). Lotsa Harleys and Wings that tied down while on sidestand. Worried about it the whole trip (boat pitching fore and aft and bikes tied down port-starboard), but I found it like I left it. Boat was pretty stable in 5' seas. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 15 22:08:44 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:07:45 -0400 From: "lister lynch" To: "Michael Jordan" , Make sure you time the rising tide to see the reversing river at the Bay of Fundy. Quite a sight to see the boil as it goes *up* the down-flowing river. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Yarmouth, Nova Scotia to be precise. Neat boat ride - 120 miles in 2.5 hours (www.catferry.com). This puppy (or should I say kitty) moves out right smartly for a 400' boat. Gonna loop the Bay of Fundy and head back home in a day or two. Cheers. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 08:23:10 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:23:00 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Cc: you@XXXXXX, DC Cycles I've always tied down on the side stand on ferries without incident (including one quite suspense-filled crossing of 8-10 foot seas on Cook Strait, with my bike in between 2 Hells Angels' bikes.) Why'd you centerstand instead of sidestand like the Wings and Harleys? On 8/15/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Gonna have to check out the Cat one of these days - looks like > > fun. How much effort did you have to go through to tie the bike down > > on that critter? > > Tiedowns on deck and industrial straps provided. I'd have brought some > some soft loops had I known. Bike on centerstand, forks lightly > compressed and rear tied down (flat deck). Lotsa Harleys and Wings > that tied down while on sidestand. > > Worried about it the whole trip (boat pitching fore and aft and bikes > tied down port-starboard), but I found it like I left it. > > Boat was pretty stable in 5' seas. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 08:49:29 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:49:20 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 It is the 4th session on Summit Main. I am not getting a knee down but am scraping shiny bits on every turn. On the advice of someone, I have removed the feelers from my rear pegs. I decided earlier today to implement an aggressive stretching regimen as I was having some difficulty getting motivated to move my butt far off the seat. A control rider picks me up and taps his helmet. I am following his line and we are booking......on the rails, lapping people. I was playing follow the leader and got to learn about passing in the corners. I cannot tell you the feeling of absolute happiness. The control rider gave me a thumbs up and then let me go on my way. I am smooth on the inputs and smooth on my lines. I am using up a lot of the track and a whole lot of tire. I had rubber burrs on the edges. The one area I was instructed to work on was hard braking coming into Turn 1. I normally initiate my brake and line 3. I waited until line 2 and then squeezed. I squeezed harder. I felt like I was flying into the turn. I set up and leaned. This was awesome. I was leaning well in and my toe was scraping. I was on the concrete patch....that dreaded patch in the middle and I was looking well ahead as I came past the apex. The next thing I know...I am sliding.....WTF? I did not give the bike any inputs..other than throttle and I was rolling on. I am on my butt and I am looking at my precious bike and a dust cloud as we both slide off the track. I was relaxed and just going with it. I must be slowing down. I put my left arm out and caught my elbow and the next thing I knew I was no longer sliding. I was rolling...elbow, hip, arm the occasional head tap. I am really grateful for my Vanson gear. After a few moments I stood up and let the people in the tower know I was okay. After the adrenaline wore off, I have a sore left shoulder a burn-bruise-lump on my left arm, some back and hip soreness but that is it. Vanson and Shoei did its job. My nice new, shiny GYT-R racing pipe ended up completely detached in a vertical position stuck to my rear cowling. The rest I won't go into because I am still sad. Thanks to an all round great guy by the name of Morpheus...he was able to reattach my pipe. I suppose I might have been able to re-tech and go again but as it was already the start of the sixth session I got on my bike and gimped back to Arlington. I really want to know why I went from a well leaned over, smooth roll on the throttle to a low side. I was in the middle left of the track and was looking well ahead. I thought I had left that concrete patch behind me. One moment I was there, and the next I was sliding and I have no recall of any wheel movement or input. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 09:14:47 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:14:32 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 At 08:49 AM 8/16/05 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >difficulty getting motivated to move my butt far off the seat. A >control rider picks me up and taps his helmet. What does that signal? I'm guessing from the context that it's "follow me"? Are there standard signals? >I really want to know why I went from a well leaned over, smooth roll on >the throttle to a low side. I'm not a racer, but physics is physics. It sounds like your tires lost traction and you were in a situation where you were using all you had to stay on your line. Were your tires in good shape? Tread, pressure, warmed up, etc? Was there anything on the track? Oil, water, sand, rubber buildup from tire wear? Are there any bumps or dips in the track there that might have changed the load on your suspension, even a little? If you didn't change the forces on your tires with throttle on or off, brakes or a change in lean or steering, those are all I can think of that might account for it. Glad you had fun, glad you are ok, and glad that the bike is in good enough shape to ride home. As I said, I'm not a racer, but from what I hear if you aren't crashing occasionally while learning, you probably aren't pushing it very close to your personal limits. It sounds like you are improving your abilities. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 09:17:38 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:16:42 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX If you weren't dragging your knee then you may have had the bike leaned over too far and just rode off the edge of the tires. Are you coming to any more track days? NESBA has days scheduled in Semptember and October. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 > > > > It is the 4th session on Summit Main. I am not getting a knee down but > am scraping shiny bits on every turn. On the advice of someone, I have > removed the feelers from my rear pegs. I decided earlier today to > implement an aggressive stretching regimen as I was having some > difficulty getting motivated to move my butt far off the seat. A > control rider picks me up and taps his helmet. I am following his line > and we are booking......on the rails, lapping people. I was playing > follow the leader and got to learn about passing in the corners. > > I cannot tell you the feeling of absolute happiness. The control rider > gave me a thumbs up and then let me go on my way. I am smooth on the > inputs and smooth on my lines. I am using up a lot of the track and a > whole lot of tire. I had rubber burrs on the edges. The one area I was > instructed to work on was hard braking coming into Turn 1. I normally > initiate my brake and line 3. I waited until line 2 and then squeezed. > I squeezed harder. I felt like I was flying into the turn. I set up > and leaned. This was awesome. I was leaning well in and my toe was > scraping. I was on the concrete patch....that dreaded patch in the > middle and I was looking well ahead as I came past the apex. > > The next thing I know...I am sliding.....WTF? I did not give the bike > any inputs..other than throttle and I was rolling on. I am on my butt > and I am looking at my precious bike and a dust cloud as we both slide > off the track. I was relaxed and just going with it. I must be slowing > down. I put my left arm out and caught my elbow and the next thing I > knew I was no longer sliding. I was rolling...elbow, hip, arm the > occasional head tap. > > I am really grateful for my Vanson gear. After a few moments I stood up > and let the people in the tower know I was okay. After the adrenaline > wore off, > I have a sore left shoulder a burn-bruise-lump on my left arm, some back > and hip soreness but that is it. Vanson and Shoei did its job. > My nice new, shiny GYT-R racing pipe ended up completely detached in a > vertical position stuck to my rear cowling. The rest I won't go into > because I am still sad. > > Thanks to an all round great guy by the name of Morpheus...he was able > to reattach my pipe. I suppose I might have been able to re-tech and go > again but as it was already the start of the sixth session I got on my > bike and gimped back to Arlington. > > I really want to know why I went from a well leaned over, smooth roll on > the throttle to a low side. I was in the middle left of the track and > was looking well ahead. I thought I had left that concrete patch behind > me. One moment I was there, and the next I was sliding and I have no > recall of any wheel movement or input. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 09:47:58 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Bruce N wrote: > If you weren't dragging your knee then you may have had the bike leaned over > too far and just rode off the edge of the tires. I agree. Glad you're ok and the bike is in riding condition. Hit up the list if you need help with repairs. -- Wayne PS - Bruce, dude, learn how to snip. :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 11:03:06 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:05:28 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 Julian Halton wrote: > >Thanks to an all round great guy by the name of Morpheus...he was able >to reattach my pipe. I suppose I might have been able to re-tech and go >again but as it was already the start of the sixth session I got on my >bike and gimped back to Arlington. > > > Julian, Glad to hear you are ok! One bit of advice, if I may? You really shouldn't ride to a track day on your bike. If possible, try to find someone else going and get your bike trailered there. I have seen too many people go to the track by themselves and get hurt and not be able to ride home. Yes, there are many wonderful people who will help get your bike and stuff home, but if, god forbid, you got seriously hurt and you were there by yourself...not good. It's always best to use the "buddy system" when heading to the track. Just my 2 cents. Glad to hear you made it out ok and were able to get yourself home! Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 14:55:52 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My $0.02 is you ran out of rubber. I've seen you earlier this year at Main and I remember you sitting pretty upright and not leaning off much. I'm also guessing you had street rubber. My thoughts: 1. Scraping stuff other than your feelers is bad (they are there as a reference point of the bikes traction limits, which you passed). I know lots of people say yank the feelers, but my $0.02 is not with street rubber. 2. Not moving your weight lower and to the inside There is no magical alert when you are about to run out of tire/traction. You can use reference points and get a feeling for when the bike gets loose, but thats not an exact science anyway. So what it boils down to, you pushed too hard too fast without any basis for how much speed you could carry and be safe. Take a look at your pics when they post them. And get a ride to the track next time! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 17:44:28 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:44:15 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "dan@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hang off your bike. Your knee should touch the ground before any hard parts do. Morpheus is the guy I was trying to get you a ride with last time.. but his truck was full. He's on the dcsb .com website so he should reply to your post there, if he hasn't already. On 8/16/05, dan@XXXXXX wrote: > My $0.02 is you ran out of rubber. I've seen you earlier this year at > Main and I remember you sitting pretty upright and not leaning off much. > I'm also guessing you had street rubber. > > My thoughts: > > 1. Scraping stuff other than your feelers is bad (they are there as a > reference point of the bikes traction limits, which you passed). I know > lots of people say yank the feelers, but my $0.02 is not with street > rubber. > 2. Not moving your weight lower and to the inside > > There is no magical alert when you are about to run out of tire/traction. > You can use reference points and get a feeling for when the bike gets > loose, but thats not an exact science anyway. So what it boils down to, > you pushed too hard too fast without any basis for how much speed you > could carry and be safe. > > Take a look at your pics when they post them. And get a ride to the track > next time! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 18:17:15 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:17:10 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Cc: you@XXXXXX, DC Cycles > Why'd you centerstand instead of sidestand like the Wings and Harleys? Steep sidetand with propensity to roll off with a little movement. Would have preferred a front wheel chock. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 09:04:05 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 06:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] New tires = Bike pulls to right I just got new Pilot Roads put on my ZRX and while it looks like the rear tire is properly aligned, tires in fine shape, road in fine shape, etc.; when I let go of the bars at speed the bike immediately leans over to the right and starts pulling that way. Does this regardless of road surface, left vs. right grade, in a turn, etc. It never did this before in the 8k miles with the original tires. I used to be able to let go of the bars and it would continue straight as an arrow. So, obviously something changed when the shop put on the new tires. I'm guessing it is the alignment, but the eccentric adjusters on my swingarm are both lined up just like they were before the tire change, so to my eyes, it can't be out of alignment. And the handlebars appear to be pointing straight ahead. I'm super busy with work and life right now, so it will have to wait a bit before I pester the shop to look at it again - since they caused this, they can look into what happened. But, I'd love the consideration of the collective here..... btw - Love the Pilot Roads, amazingly "sticky" for a ST tire. Much more so than the stock BT020. - Jimmy ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 10:36:23 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:36:10 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New tires = Bike pulls to right James O'Connor wrote: >So, obviously something changed when the shop put on the new tires. >I'm guessing it is the alignment, but the eccentric adjusters on my >swingarm are both lined up just like they were before the tire >change, so to my eyes, it can't be out of alignment. > Check with a tape messure your adjusters, never rely on the markings. You can check front to rear with 2x4's or string to see if you front aligns with the rear. Or is it possible the Pilot Roads different shape (taller, rounder, etc) makes the bike seem different? Just a thought. > >btw - Love the Pilot Roads, amazingly "sticky" for a ST tire. Much >more so than the stock BT020. > > > Once you get your bike straight, I'd like to know how long (miles) the Pilot's run. >- Jimmy > > > > Good luck, Tom de '03 ST1300 > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 12:06:37 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:06:28 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New tires = Bike pulls to right Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You should probably call the shop ASAP. YOu don't want them saying "hey it's 2 weeks later and you're now complaining? maybe you hit a pot hole or something" On 8/18/05, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > James O'Connor wrote: > > >So, obviously something changed when the shop put on the new tires. > >I'm guessing it is the alignment, but the eccentric adjusters on my > >swingarm are both lined up just like they were before the tire > >change, so to my eyes, it can't be out of alignment. > > > Check with a tape messure your adjusters, never rely on the markings. > You can check front to rear with 2x4's or string to see if you front > aligns with the rear. Or is it possible the Pilot Roads different > shape (taller, rounder, etc) makes the bike seem different? Just a thought. > > > > >btw - Love the Pilot Roads, amazingly "sticky" for a ST tire. Much > >more so than the stock BT020. > > > > > > > Once you get your bike straight, I'd like to know how long (miles) the > Pilot's run. > > >- Jimmy > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > Tom de > '03 ST1300 > > > > > > >____________________________________________________ > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 14:54:22 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:54:14 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited I saw on the harbor friegh website they had a few MC jacks. and htey were 79.99 on up. So I have a couple of questions: I noticed at least one of the pictured jacks didn't have the extra loops on the side of the plat form for the tie down straps.. I need those loops... So the question is, does harborfrieght have them for $49.99 for sure? and do they have the tie down strap loops? I saw pep boys was 49.99 after a rebate of 10. I hate rebate (scams) so i'd rather avoid that one.. I thought I saw one somewhere in person for $49.99 autozone? (going to check their website).. hmm or sams club maybe? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 16:53:14 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:52:48 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Wow. Another mindless DM post. On 8/18/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > So I have a couple of questions: Shoot. > I noticed at least one of the pictured jacks didn't have the extra > loops on the side of the plat form for the tie down straps.. I need > those loops... That's a statement, not a question. Try again. > So the question is, does harborfrieght have them for $49.99 for sure? > and do they have the tie down strap loops? Call Harbor Freight. They would know for sure. > I saw pep boys was 49.99 after a rebate of 10. I hate rebate (scams) > so i'd rather avoid that one.. > > I thought I saw one somewhere in person for $49.99 autozone? (going to > check their website).. hmm or sams club maybe? Feel free to keep on rambling. But don't keep hitting "send" afterwards. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 18:28:52 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:28:44 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Cc: DCCycles LOL tommy tommy tommy.. my old boy... you old flamer you.. How high and mighty, noble ,and grand you conduct yourself, on such a warranted quest. Reread your post and try to imagine how impressed we all are in it's value. Its' worth it's weight in gold. Is everything okay with you? Do you need some fibre in your diet? If my posts annoy you, and you want them to dissappear, may I suggest a highly more effective method than being.... (wha'ts the word?) grumpy? it's called "email filters". Look into it. Seriously, you dont' really assume you snidely make a request and expect someone to care to obey your obsurd request do you? You see, while you choose to read what you consider to be garbage, then bitch and moan... others here have read my email, and responded to me privately telling me about pep boys and harborfreight. So by me REVISITING the topic, I can 1> communicate with both simulatenously, 2> make good information public for our fellow listers who may in the future want to buy a motorcycle jack and know where to get the best local deal. But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it successfully, more power to you). So thanks, keep the positivity flowing! I need your imput if it's going to continue to be this valuable! On 8/18/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Wow. Another mindless DM post. Very mindless! No good can come from my post! Yours is so valuable! > On 8/18/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > So I have a couple of questions: > > Shoot. No it's not that serious! > > I noticed at least one of the pictured jacks didn't have the extra > > loops on the side of the plat form for the tie down straps.. I need > > those loops... > > That's a statement, not a question. Try again. You preamble hater you! > > So the question is, does harborfrieght have them for $49.99 for sure? > > and do they have the tie down strap loops? > > Call Harbor Freight. They would know for sure. Good idea what's the number? While that is one option, I thought I'd pose it to the list for someone who maybe has purchased one, and would know for sure. You know how the list loves HFT don't you? > > I saw pep boys was 49.99 after a rebate of 10. I hate rebate (scams) > > so i'd rather avoid that one.. > > > > I thought I saw one somewhere in person for $49.99 autozone? (going to > > check their website).. hmm or sams club maybe? > > Feel free to keep on rambling. But don't keep hitting "send" afterwards. So informing the list that the pepboys jack is based on a rebate is rambling? Or you just need snipping lessons? also naming the other two, I was trying to possibly refresh anyone's memo