From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 08:23:40 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:23:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Danny will find this interesting... Cc: DCCycles you are, right.. of course.. On 7/29/05, Dave Yates wrote: > http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2639862 > > > No blood in the streets either... > > Dave > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 10:29:14 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:29:02 +0000 Subject: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab4.cfm?newsid=14934556&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506086&rfi=6 or http://tinyurl.com/7r34p From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 10:40:35 2005 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:40:08 -0400 From: skip To: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... Dave Yates wrote: > > http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab4.cfm?newsid=14934556&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506086&rfi=6 > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/7r34p )B“Younger folks get Daytona style racing bikes with clip on handlebars and fairings. If one of them wants to get away from you, they're going to do it,)B”explained Sherertz. 'cause we all know that clip on handlebars and a fairing adds -at least- 50 hp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 16:13:18 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > )B“Younger folks get Daytona style racing bikes with clip on handlebars > and fairings. If one of them wants to get away from you, they're going > to do it,)B”explained Sherertz. > > > > 'cause we all know that clip on handlebars and a fairing adds -at least- > 50 hp > While he was wrong on that count, this is dead right: "These are persistent issues. We have the performance of the motorcycles outstripping the riders' ability to use them,'" said Sherertz. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 16:23:14 2005 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:22:54 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... dan@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > )B“Younger folks get Daytona style racing bikes with clip on handlebars > > and fairings. If one of them wants to get away from you, they're going > > to do it,)B”explained Sherertz. > > > > > > > > 'cause we all know that clip on handlebars and a fairing adds -at least- > > 50 hp > > > > While he was wrong on that count, this is dead right: > > "These are persistent issues. We have the performance of the motorcycles > outstripping the riders' ability to use them,'" said Sherertz. agreed. he was also dead on with the "If one of them wants to get away from you, they're going to do it" comment. you can outrun a caprice, but you can't outrun Motorola. :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 16:26:02 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "skip" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:25:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... Skip said: you can outrun a caprice, but you can't outrun Motorola. :~) [Dave] You can if motorola is racing off to the local dunkin' donuts and you're not ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 16:50:21 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:50:12 -0400 Rumor is another rider passed on 211 this Sat. >Dave Yates wrote: > > > > >http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab4.cfm?newsid=14934556&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506086&rfi=6 > > > > or > > > > http://tinyurl.com/7r34p From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 17:11:52 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX soon, 211 will be taken over by supermotards blatting their way over the rumble strips with feet out, sparks kicking up from boot hardware. over at motorcycle.com Gabe says the day of sportbikes is over. I think it was (should have been) over 10 years ago. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 17:47:01 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > soon, 211 will be taken over by supermotards blatting their way over > the rumble strips with feet out, sparks kicking up from boot hardware. > > over at motorcycle.com Gabe says the day of sportbikes is over. I think > it was (should have been) over 10 years ago. I have my doubts. Many a squid has scoffed at my KTM 'tard. Don't seem to look as cool or fast. Straight line performance over 50 sucks. Not enough places to put stickers. And they sound funny. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 22:15:05 2005 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:14:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... >From: matthew patton >over at motorcycle.com Gabe says the day of sportbikes is over. I think >it was (should have been) over 10 years ago. It already is. The king is dead. Long live the king! The day of "sport utility motorcycles" has dawned. BMW F650, BMW R1200GS, Ducatti Multistrada, Triumph Tiger, etc. Fun for the highway, the pothole strewn city and dirt roads from coast to coast. Quick, everybody buy one so you can tire of it when the next fad hits and sell it to me for way less than it is worth 'cause that is the only way Ill ever afford one of those beauties! Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 1 22:36:45 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:36:33 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: New motorcycle safety study http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/Transportation_Bill.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 07:44:39 2005 From: "David Cross" To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:44:13 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Haydens on Tonight Show tonight Nicky Hayden and his brothers will be on Jay Leno tonight. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 09:01:48 2005 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lots of moto-woes.... To: Chris Chubb , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Chubb wrote: > BMW F650, BMW R1200GS, Ducatti Multistrada, Triumph > Tiger, etc. > > Quick, everybody buy one so you can tire of it when > the next fad hits and > sell it to me for way less than it is worth 'cause > that is the only way Ill > ever afford one of those beauties! > If I can afford one, you certainly can. I got my V-Strom used for under $7K and it already had $2K of touring goodies on it. I've seen several used V-Strom 1000s for sale in the $5K range. I realize the V-Strom isn't on your list, but except for the fancy name badges, it appears to fit in. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 Suzuki DL1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 17:08:17 2005 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:08:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds Hi, I am looking for some links to sportbike forums with active classifieds sections where I can post the 1991 Honda NSR 250R I am selling. I used to be a member of a bunch of sites, but they were mostly California based and its been a couple years since I lived in LA. Link to pics of bike in case anyone here is interested. http://www.nsr250.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1742&sid=cc5a475f58971fbc93e5a4b38555424c Adam __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 17:17:47 2005 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:17:37 -0400 From: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds well you can always list it at www.cragslist.com www.sportbikes.com, www.sportbikes.net, and sportbikez.net all have active classified sections On 8/2/05, Adam Reinhardt wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for some links to sportbike forums with > active classifieds sections where I can post the 1991 > Honda NSR 250R I am selling. I used to be a member of > a bunch of sites, but they were mostly California > based and its been a couple years since I lived in LA. > > Link to pics of bike in case anyone here is > interested. > http://www.nsr250.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1742&sid=cc5a475f58971fbc93e5a4b38555424c > > Adam > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 17:32:07 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:31:56 -0400 www.dcsportbikes.com www.dcsportbikes.net >From: Eric Geary >Reply-To: Eric Geary >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:17:37 -0400 > >well you can always list it at www.cragslist.com > >www.sportbikes.com, www.sportbikes.net, and sportbikez.net all have >active classified sections > >On 8/2/05, Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for some links to sportbike forums with > > active classifieds sections where I can post the 1991 > > Honda NSR 250R I am selling. I used to be a member of > > a bunch of sites, but they were mostly California > > based and its been a couple years since I lived in LA. > > > > Link to pics of bike in case anyone here is > > interested. > > >http://www.nsr250.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1742&sid=cc5a475f58971fbc93e5a4b38555424c > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 18:17:59 2005 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:17:49 -0400 From: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sportbike Forum Classifieds Ooops i meant to say www.dcsportbikes.com and .net my bad:P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 2 18:55:40 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:57:09 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Spam -- bikes for sale Curtis, a buddy of mine is a motorcycle mechanic-- when he's not first mate on a tug-boat. Because of too much lust for these Honda V-4s he's bike-poor and running out of garage space so asked me to post two of his. The bikes are old, but he's been through them, fixed their flaws (Cam oiling, fusible link, stator wiring, and fork springs). So, they're as good (or better) than many newer bikes. If I didn't have three bikes, I'd make an offer on the baby 'Ceptor. Bug him (Curtis) at: Riverrooster44@XXXXXX Or: (301)529-9223 1985 VF700S Sabre: New tires, battery, brakes, all mechanical stuff gone thru, Corbin seat, mechanically excellent, needs paint to finish $2,000/offer [Carl:] FWIW, I've taken my '85 VF 700 Sabre through Michigan, Vermont, Canada, and Georgia. Plus, It's been through Ohio 555 and over Deals Gap many times. I've also put over 50,000 DC-commuting year-round miles on it. The Dunlop 205 radials made a big improvement. Curtis has the new Avons on this Sabre. He took this one to Wlllville MC Campground last month so I got to play with it a bit on the BRP. It's tight but I don't have a Corbin butt. 1986 VF500F Interceptor with 1985 engine, 1986 carbs stock bike some upgrades, nice paint, new tires, brakes, battery nice shape $2,000/offer. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 3 10:56:24 2005 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] FS Ducati ST2 with neato upgrades somebody here at the Pentagon is selling their 2000 ST2 for $7500 OBO. no idea if that price is reasonable (seems high to me). if you're interested, I'll go write down the telephone number off his windscreen. You can tell it's a commuter. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 3 22:35:11 2005 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,165,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="1208529830:sNHT21786996" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Another dealership in our area wanted the Silver Honda Helix that was on our salesfloor. So we traded our Helix for a Big Ruckus. This thing is too much fun and I have been taking it to the bank daily. Curbs present no challenge, nor does my steep gravel driveway. The problem is, I don't know if I should wave at passing motorcyclists? http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Big+Ruckus&ModelYe ar=2005&ModelId=PS2505 Sure, it's highway legal and a 250 complete with functioning lights and a horn. But, it is still a scooter.... and an ugly, yellow one at that. It sort of looks like I am riding around on a yellow hospital gurney with a seat that adjusts like a car seat. Opinions? Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 3 23:09:43 2005 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:09:36 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? On 8/3/05, Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Another dealership in our area wanted the Silver Honda Helix that was on our > salesfloor. So we traded our Helix for a Big Ruckus. This thing is too > much fun and I have been taking it to the bank daily. Curbs present no > challenge, nor does my steep gravel driveway. The problem is, I don't know > if I should wave at passing motorcyclists? Ruckus = Scooter... no wave. Big Ruckus = Wave worthy. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 3 23:29:04 2005 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? To: DC Cycles (Big Ruckus) MAN...That thing is BEASTLY UGLY! ..and I LIKE IT! Wave your hands off like a mental patient. I always admired the Ruckus 50 as a pit bike but had no idea they started building a 250 - much less a street legal scoot. Fun. Speaking of wonderfully ugly bikes, I went to Laguna Seca for the AMA and MotoGP races in July....and I was in Motard Heaven. KTM's, Husky's, the new Suzi DR-Z400SM, and all kinds of bastard motard conversions. Saw them everywhere from Monterey to San Fran. I've got to figure out how to get my bike out there for next year's visit to Laguna Seca. -Corbett --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Another dealership in our area wanted the Silver > Honda Helix that was on our > salesfloor. So we traded our Helix for a Big > Ruckus. This thing is too > much fun and I have been taking it to the bank > daily. Curbs present no > challenge, nor does my steep gravel driveway. The > problem is, I don't know > if I should wave at passing motorcyclists? > > http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Big+Ruckus&ModelYe > ar=2005&ModelId=PS2505 > > Sure, it's highway legal and a 250 complete with > functioning lights and a > horn. > But, it is still a scooter.... and an ugly, yellow > one at that. It sort of > looks like I am riding around on a yellow hospital > gurney with a seat that > adjusts like a car seat. > > Opinions? > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > '97 GSXR600 > > > > > -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 01:21:23 2005 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:20:46 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? if it's on two wheels, I wave. sure, most of the time it's just kids, but better to indoctrinate them early. we are all brothers. If I see a scoter broken down, I'll stop. why? it's a brother. just my take on it. --skip Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Another dealership in our area wanted the Silver Honda Helix that was on our > salesfloor. So we traded our Helix for a Big Ruckus. This thing is too > much fun and I have been taking it to the bank daily. Curbs present no > challenge, nor does my steep gravel driveway. The problem is, I don't know > if I should wave at passing motorcyclists? > > http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Big+Ruckus&ModelYe > ar=2005&ModelId=PS2505 > > Sure, it's highway legal and a 250 complete with functioning lights and a > horn. > But, it is still a scooter.... and an ugly, yellow one at that. It sort of > looks like I am riding around on a yellow hospital gurney with a seat that > adjusts like a car seat. > > Opinions? > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > '97 GSXR600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 07:25:04 2005 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:24:48 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO It's called "Take Two Weeks Off, Throw Leg Over Seat and RIDE Your Bike There!!!!!!!" Been there, done that. Took 5 days to go out and 5 to come back. It was a blast. Would definitely do it again. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Corbett B I've got to figure out how to get my bike out there for next year's visit to Laguna Seca. -Corbett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 07:31:04 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 04:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, you should have bought the camouflage one to fit in better down there! ;-) Glenn --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Opinions? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 07:36:36 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:36:32 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Scooteristi tend not to wave - it's a scooter thing. You, however, are a bona fide Motorcyclist - and a wave is always in good taste. How's the shop coming? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 08:08:52 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:10:25 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] A Goddard emerges!! Lisa! How are you? Hope you and Jay are settling in nicely. What's your inventory-like? Let me know when you have a black Honda 919 in stock. That will be the bike that takes me to California and back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 08:36:28 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:38:03 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Track Day 15 August- Coleman's Anyone interested in doing this? Jonathan? You know you want to... Corbett: Give that BMW a workout! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 08:41:31 2005 From: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 8:41:21 -0400 > > From: Corbett B > Date: 2005/08/03 Wed PM 11:28:54 EDT > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? > > (Big Ruckus) > MAN...That thing is BEASTLY UGLY! ..and I LIKE IT! > ..it reminds me of a Honda generator with two wheels, or a dolly with handlebars. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 09:09:07 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:09:04 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "adamme1@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Cc: DC Cycles > ..it reminds me of a Honda generator with two wheels, or a > dolly with handlebars. 8-P It's actually both - doesn't mean that it's not cool, though :-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 09:21:42 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:21:38 -0400 From: Robert To: DCcycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? It even has it's own fan club... http://www.battlescooter.com Robert On 8/4/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > ..it reminds me of a Honda generator with two wheels, or a > > dolly with handlebars. 8-P > > It's actually both - doesn't mean that it's not cool, though :-) > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 10:01:18 2005 From: To: DCcycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:01:03 -0400 > > From: Robert > Date: 2005/08/04 Thu AM 09:21:38 EDT > To: DCcycles > Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? > > It even has it's own fan club... > > http://www.battlescooter.com > > Robert > ..I have to admit, it looks like it would be a lot of fun to ride. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 11:13:27 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:13:19 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: DCcycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? I think the Big Rukus would be the perfect thing to have in a Central American coastal town. Great for a beach day or jungle runs to ancient ruins. -Norris On 8/4/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > From: Robert > > Date: 2005/08/04 Thu AM 09:21:38 EDT > > To: DCcycles > > Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? > > > > It even has it's own fan club... > > > > http://www.battlescooter.com > > > > Robert > > > > > ..I have to admit, it looks like it would be a lot of fun to ride. > > -aki > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 11:26:03 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:25:47 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 8/4/2005 11:13:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, drcorona@XXXXXX writes: > I think the Big Rukus would be the perfect thing to have in a Central > American coastal town. This _is_ a central American (US) costal town. > Great for a beach day or jungle runs to ancient > ruins. We gots ruins around here. I think the Rukus is really neat and about perfect around DC. Two wheels? Wave. Dont wave back? F*%#k em. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 12:16:27 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] To Wave or not to wave? Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:17:44 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Two wheels? Wave. Dont wave back? F*%#k em. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Are you trying to create a ruckus? :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 12:56:52 2005 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:56:39 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF lessons OK all you MSF instructors out there, anyone willing to give a friend of mine some private lessons? He rode dirt bikes years ago but, never street bikes. I'm lousy at giving instructions and don't want to screw it up. He's not really interested in getting the MSF certificate, just the training. Also, anyone know of a good BIG EMPTY place to take him for some practice so he doesn't run anyone over? Anyone have a beater/trainer bike he could borrow as well. My R6 is still in pretty good condition and I'd like to keep it that way. lol Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 13:20:55 2005 From: To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:20:41 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Speaking of MSF Instructors...... How much does one make over the course of a weekend? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 14:01:37 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:01:30 -0400 From: Robert To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] OT: Auto shop recommendation Yeah, I know, I'm terminally lazy.... I'd like to get some work done on my car; lowering springs, tie bars, adjustable camber plates; and I'd rather pay somone to do the work. Car is a Dodge Neon SRT-4. Any recommends for a decent shop in the Falls Church/Arlington/Bailey's Crossroads area would be most appreciated. Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 14:05:46 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] OT: Auto shop recommendation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There used to be a suspension shop in Falls Church right off Lee Hwy. It was the first street on the left while heading south after crossing over I-66. Can't remember the name of the place but I remember a friend of mine had the same type of work done there. Glenn --- Robert wrote: > Yeah, I know, I'm terminally lazy.... I'd like to > get some work done > on my car; lowering springs, tie bars, adjustable > camber plates; and > I'd rather pay somone to do the work. Car is a > Dodge Neon SRT-4. > > Any recommends for a decent shop in the Falls > Church/Arlington/Bailey's Crossroads area would be > most appreciated. > > Robert Verde > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 14:08:05 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track Day 15 August- Coleman's To: DC Cycles Don't know if I was the Jonathan referred to, but I do want to get on the track again, just for the fun of it. It won't be this one though, I will be waiting till fall if I do it this year at all. I am getting the band back together though, one piece at a time. Now I just have to watch out for my wife breaking into a rendition of "Think" in our kitchen - --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone interested in doing this? Jonathan? You know > you want to... > > Corbett: Give that BMW a workout! > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 15:28:02 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:29:37 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Michael Jordan" , "DC-Cycles" Michael, I have tomorrow and Monday off. I am thinking of doing this trip. Any suggestions on the route? Thanks Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Art of the Motorcycle On 6/20/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone up for a road trip: And on the way back, swing through Birminghan to visit the Barber for a bit more sensory overload, and from there through the Cherohala Skyway and Deal's Gap* to Maggie Valley, NC to see the Wheels Through Time museum. Finish it up with a leisurely ride back up the BRP and home again. When do we leave? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. * Technically, Deal's Gap is a side trip, but only 10 miles or so off course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 19:26:57 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:42:54 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter08.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF RiderCoach Pay I get $15.00 per hour for about twenty hours on the weekend. Plus I get $95.00 for being the site coordinator even if I don't teach that weekend. None of us are in it for the money! Can we sign you up ? Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 20:03:51 2005 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:19:53 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter05.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Teaching your friend to ride Aki, I don't know how others may feel, but I won't do private lessons because while doing so, I am not covered by any kind of personal liability. If am teaching under the MSF banner I am. That's also the reason I stopped instructing for Friday at the Track at Summit Point. I enjoyed doing it and it earned me free track time, but all things considered I felt it was not worth the risk in today's legal climate. Just have him sign up and take the course. Everybody will be better off. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 4 21:39:14 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: MSF lessons Try this, spotted in recent Motorcycle Times. No reco or experience on my part. http://ezriders.hostrocket.com/index.html Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Will instruct for a chrome shine Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------------- Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:56:39 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF lessons OK all you MSF instructors out there, anyone willing to give a friend of mine some private lessons? . . .snip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 07:34:37 2005 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:34:28 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Sean Jordan , Thomas Jordan , DC Cycles , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Cool website - anyone used it? From the LDRider list: http://www.emachineshop.com/ -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 07:51:17 2005 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 04:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Cool website - anyone used it? To: DC Cycles yup, I've been designing stuff for over a year now. my local machineshop can do one or two part runs cheaper but it's the easiest CAD program I've run across. real engineers will scoff, but I'm not a real engineer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 07:53:36 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:53:21 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Teaching your friend to ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 8/4/2005 8:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bmckeithen@XXXXXX writes: > Just have him sign up and take the course. Everybody will be better off. It is also a _lot_ more fun. Still work, but shared. And having other novices around to compare "notes" with allows you to see that you are not the only one having problems. The course is set up for multiple riders and would be a real BORE solo. While I am no longer a coach (I was for 9 years.) I was unwilling to teach solo and know of no one who was willing to do so. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 16:36:42 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: rhall@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:36:30 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Project bike Does anyone have a project bike laying around they want to get rid of? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 5 21:12:38 2005 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:12:26 -0400 From: Armadillo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Project bike what are you looking for? On 8/5/05, rich hall wrote: > Does anyone have a project bike laying around they want to get rid of? > > > -- -=Eventus stultorum magister=- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 16:31:37 2005 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:49:44 -0500 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter07.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto chuckles Just found out my slightly mad Cuban amigo has a website: www.paco2.com Check it out. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 17:59:14 2005 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:00:29 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: Moto chuckles Begin forwarded message: > From: Bob McKeithen > Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 7:49:44 PM US/Eastern > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Moto chuckles > > Just found out my slightly mad Cuban amigo has a website: > www.paco2.com > Check it out. > > Bob > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 20:34:49 2005 From: "allen fahey" To: "DCCycles" Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:34:35 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] New to the list I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area. I am an automotive painter (I do side work:>) I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if anyone has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much. Thanks Allen Fahey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 21:15:31 2005 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:15:21 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: allen fahey Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list Cc: DCCycles Welcome, you've come to a great place to start. for starter bikes try http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/ and maybe http://www.2wf.com/classifieds/ and ebay on local bikes only. Trust me, ONLY buy a bike you can see in person. There are way too many dishonest people out there and it's not worth sending your money to a far away location. what's your style of bike and price range that you're looking for? - danny On 8/8/05, allen fahey wrote: > I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area. I am an automotive > painter (I do side work:>) I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if anyone > has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much. > Thanks > Allen Fahey > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 21:26:05 2005 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:25:54 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list Welcome to the list! You'll find almost no motorcycle-related content here. But if you want to read long pointless emails from Danny Motorcycle asking asinine legal questions, or flame wars and name calling started by Glenn Dysart, you've definitely found your spot! Enjoy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 21:57:18 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] New to the list Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:57:17 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79beb544449daa5f0df84716ba3ec99f16350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c TJ: Welcome to the list! You'll find almost no motorcycle-related content here. But if you want to read long pointless emails from Danny Motorcycle asking asinine legal questions, or flame wars and name calling started by Glenn Dysart, you've definitely found your spot! Enjoy. [Dave] You left out flaming by Gimer... WTF? How long have you been here? ;-) +1 on the list welcome... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 22:23:40 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] New to the list Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:23:32 -0400 If you're looking for a sportbike, check out the local messageboard's classifieds sections. www.dcsportbikes.com www.dcsportbikes.net If you haven't already, take the MSF class, it's the easiest/safest/best way to get started. >From: "allen fahey" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] New to the list >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:34:35 -0400 > >I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area. I am an automotive >painter (I do side work:>) I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if >anyone >has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much. >Thanks >Allen Fahey > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 8 23:17:47 2005 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:17:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: allen fahey CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list allen fahey wrote: >I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area. I am an automotive >painter (I do side work:>) I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if anyone >has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much. >Thanks >Allen Fahey > > I've got an '82 Suzuki GS850G (standard 80s UJM) that I might be persuaded to part with. It runs well, has engine guards, would probably be a decent starter bike for someone. I just don't ride it enough to justify keeping it around. Hork -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 9 20:11:57 2005 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:11:45 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] $50 motorcycle jack? I remember somewhere there was a motorcycle jack for $50. I think it was either, sams club, costco, harborfrieght tools, pep boys or autozone. Anyone know? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 9 20:38:30 2005 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:38:19 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag I remember some random chatter about these things a while ago... Saw one on Craigslist today for $600. I think that's even a high price, but it is half of the retail cost if anyone is interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 01:47:45 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:47:36 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: DCCycles I dont' know how many trailers get stolen, but I suspect not a lot. I see plenty sitting around all over, often enough unlocked. When i didnt' have room for mine, i'd leave it parked on a public street with minor locking. So I guess i'm recommending, that if you don't have space for a trailer, consider getting an average inexpensive trailer and leaving it parked in a public place in a good neighborhood locked up. Especially if better trailers are around, so they'd be less inclined to get yours. I've found 5x8 trailers to be worth every penny of what they cost. Mine has a drop down ramp which is invaluable when it comes to loading up a bike alone. - Danny On 8/9/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > I remember some random chatter about these things a while ago... Saw > one on Craigslist today for $600. I think that's even a high price, > but it is half of the retail cost if anyone is interested. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 08:46:59 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:48:32 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] New to the list Fahey Alleged: "I'm new to the list, I live in the Jessup Md. area." [Carl:] Welcome. Any kin to the late great John Fahey? Allen Feigned: I am an automotive painter (I do side work:>) [Carl:] An occasional motorcycle question on list is "Where can I get my bike painted?" (Buncha poseurs, just take a ride in the rain.:^) Fahey Averred: "I'm looking for a starter motorcycle so if anyone has a deal on one let me know what you have and how much." [Carl:] What to you mean by "Starter bike"? o Are you just getting into motorcycling? If yes, The MSF recommendation is first rate. It is a great way to ensure your survival during that first year. There are several MSF instructors on the list. Maybe the one from W(BG)V will announce one in the near future. Alas, getting into a Merryland course is a hassle: Too many customers, too few courses, and poor recruitment of instructors.* Another recommendation is start small 250-500 cc. Get something light and cheap that you can learn to fling around and won't break your heart if you bend it. After a year, you'll have a better idea of what kind of motorcycles you want for your second and third bikes.** If you're adept with a wrench, there are a lot of neglected bikes out there that just need fluids changed and carbs cleaned turn them into a first rate ride. The recommended sites, www.cycltrader.com, and user lists such as this one often have reliable offerings. For instance, on SabMag, a buddy in southern W(BG)V offered: "A 2001 Ninja EX-250. Near mint condition. Less than 1200 miles. Red and black color scheme. Starts and runs excellent, but will probably need a battery soon. Tires are great. Chain and sprockets excellent. Never down. $2000.00 firm." Carl in Bethesda ** '83 VF700F 'Ceptor "666" For fun '85 VF700S Sabre "Rocin-ahora" For commuting and chores. '96 ST1100 "Slips Through Slow Traffic" For longer distances. *Remember that thread a few years ago with MD MVA? Even Larry Grodsky participated). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:04:54 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:04:45 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Cc: "Julian Halton" Subject: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm I tried posting three messages to the list yesterday and every single one disappeared into cyberspace. I didn't make it to Memphis but I made it to Rainelle, WV which is an absolutely awesome ride, rafted the New river, managed to stay in the boat and enjoy a weekend away from Angstington (or is it Arlington) VA. For all those who haven't been I think US 60 is awesome. Can't wait to do this one again. My second posting involved a link to a story on the results of repealing the helmet law in Florida and now I can't find the article on the site. My third post was about maintaining chrome, specifically my GYT-R Yamaha racing pipe that due to its position is often found in contact with my foot. After a week of use, there were some deep marks on the chrome that refused to come out with Honda Spray and elbow grease. I resorted to the rough pad in my owners packet that the manual says is to be used to clean the muffler. Little did I know that I would scratch the pipe and create a very unattractive off silver patch. I have tried using the wadding polish Nevr-Dull and also Turtle Wax's chrome polish. Thus far limited success, Any tips on restoring the chrome to its shiny, happy state and then keeping it that way? thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:13:32 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:13:20 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Stands I just got front & rear stands. Having never used stands before I was hoping someone could show me how they work. I'd rather not drop the bike, trying to figure it out for myself. I'm in the Arlington/Alexandria/Falls Church area. TIA, Rich - '02 SVS From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:16:13 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:15:07 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm Julian Halton wrote: >I tried posting three messages to the list yesterday and every single >one disappeared into cyberspace. I didn't make it to Memphis but I made >it to Rainelle, WV which is an absolutely awesome ride, rafted the New >river, managed to stay in the boat and enjoy a weekend away from >Angstington (or is it Arlington) VA. For all those who haven't been I >think US 60 is awesome. Can't wait to do this one again. > We run the Upper Gauley every year (anyone interested? Running UG with Ace WW 9-10 with camping 9,10 in Oak Hill, WV. ~$200) Somewhere in the archives you can find a write up I did of 60 past White Sulpher Springs. Fun road. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:18:58 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:18:47 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list This list died years ago. At this point it is in decay. So, for some moto-related content, anyone looking for a Suzuki Bandit 400? Runs but smokes a bit. Low milage. On 8/9/05, Corbett B wrote: > I think I've just been sticking around to see what a list looks like when it dies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:24:18 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:24:12 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Thomas Jordan" , "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Dawn of the Dead Why not give the list some CPR? A certain realtor introduced me to it and I can state that I have: - learned some - made some new friends - enjoyed putting what little writing ability I have to use Lack of sleep has prevented me from posting more. I still hope to make it to Memphis and still have an eye open for some fun route suggestions. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Jordan [mailto:thomas.jordan@XXXXXX] To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list This list died years ago. At this point it is in decay. So, for some moto-related content, anyone looking for a Suzuki Bandit 400? Runs but smokes a bit. Low milage. On 8/9/05, Corbett B wrote: > I think I've just been sticking around to see what a list looks like when it dies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:24:40 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:22:11 -0400 Putting hand up. My trailer was stolen and it was parked on a public street alond with a bunch of boats and other stuff the HOA wouldn't allow us to park in front of our homes. Just a data point. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Danny Motorcycle said: I dont' know how many trailers get stolen, but I suspect not a lot. I see plenty sitting around all over, often enough unlocked. When i didnt' have room for mine, i'd leave it parked on a public street with minor locking. So I guess i'm recommending, that if you don't have space for a trailer, consider getting an average inexpensive trailer and leaving it parked in a public place in a good neighborhood locked up. Especially if better trailers are around, so they'd be less inclined to get yours. I've found 5x8 trailers to be worth every penny of what they cost. Mine has a drop down ramp which is invaluable when it comes to loading up a bike alone. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:31:12 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:30:57 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Been doing the Lower Yough for the past 5 or 6 years with friends personally. Just did it in June. Managed to take a swim once this year. Stayed in the previous years. Except when we did the Cheat about 4 years ago. Can you say "life passing before your eyes"? Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm Julian Halton wrote:)B  )B  >I tried posting three messages to the list yesterday and every single)B  >one disappeared into cyberspace. I didn't make it to Memphis but I made)B  >it to Rainelle, WV which is an absolutely awesome ride, rafted the New)B  >river, managed to stay in the boat and enjoy a weekend away from)B  >Angstington (or is it Arlington) VA. For all those who haven't been I)B  >think US 60 is awesome. Can't wait to do this one again.)B  >)B  We run the Upper Gauley every year (anyone interested? Running UG with Ace WW 9-10 with camping 9,10 in Oak Hill, WV. ~$200) Somewhere in the archives you can find a write up I did of 60 past White Sulpher Springs. Fun road.)B  )B  -- ___________________________________)B  Mike Troutman)B  )B  mike@XXXXXX  )B  http://www.troutman.org/  )B  Home 703.392.1066  )B  Cell 703.565.4801  )B  Fax 703.392.4665  )B  ICQ 239667121  )B  From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 09:35:29 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "Dc-Cycles" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:35:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag LT raised her hand to be counted: Putting hand up. My trailer was stolen and it was parked on a public street alond with a bunch of boats and other stuff the HOA wouldn't allow us to park in front of our homes. [Dave] Is it any wonder the 1st 2 letters of HOA are "HO", common slang for whore? It's at least appropriate... When I had to put up with HO's, I parked my bike next to the sidewalk, with my car in front of it. Yes, I was targeted by the HOs. I then offered to take up a complete and separate space with my moto. HO representatives had a change of heart upon contemplating the implications. I wouldn't have been able to accomodate a trailer... I can now :-) PROUD to be HOA Negative! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 10:33:19 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "rich hall" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Stands Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:31:49 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Always put it on the rear stand first! ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Stands >I just got front & rear stands. Having never used stands before I was >hoping someone could show me how they work. I'd rather not drop the bike, >trying to figure it out for myself. > I'm in the Arlington/Alexandria/Falls Church area. > > TIA, > Rich - '02 SVS > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 10:33:34 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New to the list Content-ID: <21767.1123684412.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:33:32 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >This list died years ago. At this point it is in decay. Geez, let's not get all goth, now. :) The list membership has been in the 250-350 range for the past 5 years or so, but the number of postings did start to decline in 2002. What happened in 2002? The list started rejecting postings with "attachments". Makes me wonder how many "read-only" subscribers we have who have had postings rejected, and haven't been able to figure out how to fix it. We're currently doing about 300 messages per month, which I think is a nice place to be, actually, but if there's anybody who has had postings rejected, and can't figure out what to do about it, feel free to send me private email, and I'll try to help you get things setup right. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 11:51:56 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:51:46 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] $50 motorcycle jack? I got mine at Pep Boys 49.99. Great for light use, I only need it a few times a year. I might look at craftsman if I was using it more. -Norris On 8/9/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I remember somewhere there was a motorcycle jack for $50. I think it > was either, sams club, costco, harborfrieght tools, pep boys or > autozone. Anyone know? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 12:57:21 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:56:40 -0400 To: "DCCycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm At 09:04 AM 8/10/05 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >wadding polish Nevr-Dull and also Turtle Wax's chrome polish. Thus far >limited success, Any tips on restoring the chrome to its shiny, happy >state and then keeping it that way? It depends on whether you've removed the chrome or just scratched it up. If it's been removed, you'd have to get it replated to restore it. If it's scratched, you need to polish it. That means a series of ever finer polishes to reduce the size of the scratches progressively until it looks shiny again. Power tools are really helpful with that if you want to finish any time soon. It's very possible to screw this up and remove the chrome if you are too aggressive with it, so be careful or get a pro to do it. I believe there are chrome finish restoration polish kits available, but I don't have any specific recommendations. Chrome plating isn't very thick. Chrome is really hard, so it doesn't scratch all that easily, but the plating can be very fragile in a cheap plating job. A good job involves plating in copper first, then a fairly thick layer of nickel, and then a thin coat of chrome on top of that (sometimes called "triple chrome"). When done this way you get a pretty durable finish that won't get those tiny rust pinholes and then "bubbles" where rust has formed under the chrome layers any time soon if properly maintained. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 13:34:59 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:54:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Mike B. wrote: > It depends on whether you've removed the chrome or just scratched it up. Chrome?!?!? It's a sportbike pipe, Mike :-) Julian, use Mother's Billet Polish and some elbow grease. A drill with some type of polishing wheel attached will make short work of it. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 13:41:51 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:39:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , "DCCycles" Cc: "Julian Halton" Here is a link to the part. The muffler shell is carbon fiber. What got scratched is the pipe connected to it. According to the site info it is stainless steel. http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/accessories/acscitem500/5/8/191/2031/a ll/1/3275/0/main/itemdetail.aspx The actual part looks very different from this image. It really is super shiny and looks like chrome - not the dull grey you see in the image. http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/accessories/acscitemdetail/5/8/191/203 1/all/1/3275/0/detail.aspx Regardless it scratches and gets stained very easily. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 13:47:31 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:06:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Julian Halton wrote: > Here is a link to the part. > The muffler shell is carbon fiber. What got scratched is the pipe > connected to it. According to the site info it is stainless steel. My 'Busa pipe is all SS and Mother's works great to clean it up. I also use it on tailpipes on my cars, supercharger/intercooler (polished alum), wheels, etc. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 14:05:11 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:04:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm Wayne commented: My 'Busa pipe is all SS and Mother's works great to clean it up. I also use it on tailpipes on my cars, supercharger/intercooler (polished alum), wheels, etc. [Dave] I think it would be great if my mother would clean my 11's exhaust! ;-) She did help me re-cover a moto seat once. But no on the exhaust. My 11's header is (not-so)stainless, and it's kind of the color of ... well...road grime. Ditto the can. I just can't bring myself get rid of all those sentimental miles worth of dirt ;-) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 14:21:19 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:20:05 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Third times the charm At 01:54 PM 8/10/05 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Mike B. wrote: > >> It depends on whether you've removed the chrome or just scratched it up. > >Chrome?!?!? It's a sportbike pipe, Mike :-) Yeah, *Chrome*. I'm just going with the report from the guy who actually has the part in question. As Julian said: >Any tips on restoring the chrome to its shiny, happy >state and then keeping it that way? If it's actually aluminum, steel, or some other solid metal, then just polish it with the right stuff and it will be good as new (as far as you can tell without precision measuring equipment anyway). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 15:47:29 2005 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:47:19 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "LindaT." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: Dc-Cycles Did the stolen trailer have any locking devices engaged on it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 10 21:46:24 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:44:07 -0400 Yes, I had a padlock through the ball lock. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: LindaT. Cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Did the stolen trailer have any locking devices engaged on it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 01:33:28 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:33:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "LindaT." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: Dc-Cycles Interesting. Sorry to hear that. Was it insured or a total loss? On 8/10/05, LindaT. wrote: > Yes, I had a padlock through the ball lock. > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > Hollywood, FL > IBA,BMWBMW,AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:47 PM > To: LindaT. > Cc: Dc-Cycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag > > > Did the stolen trailer have any locking devices engaged on it? > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 07:14:43 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them up there. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 07:40:08 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:39:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Glenn Dysart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Glenn Dysart wrote: >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ > >I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I >saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them >up there. > >Glenn > > Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to ride around completely unprotected up there. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 08:24:26 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:24:53 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL enn Dysart wrote: >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ > >I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I >saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them >up there. > >Glenn > > > You should see the helmet law here in Delaware. You don't have to wear your helmet, but the helmet has to be with you somewhere on the bike. I just find it so ridiculous to see people riding around with their heads exposed and a perfectly good helmet strapped to their motorcycle. Laura www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 08:37:24 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:37:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Hork commented: Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to ride around completely unprotected up there. [Dave] Yeah, but this is America... Freedom (not that any of us have it) should include the freedom to go helmetless, belt less, topless... ;-) Likewise, it includes folks like us snickering at them... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 08:58:15 2005 X-Sasl-Enc: ZvvkXLzoIhOUt3JcmsqKU89zTX3+ZceCx0zpuiq8f1dc 1123765087 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:58:07 -0400 > Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't > wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to > wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally > surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to > ride around completely unprotected up there. > > Horkster My brother is signed up for the MSF course in CT this fall, and I get the feeling (just from knowing him for 34 years) that if he does get a bike, he won't wear a helmet often. So I'm actually hoping he fails, or finds that he doesn't like riding. My parents' friend recently got back into motorcycling, and they keep asking me to talk to him about wearing a helmet, since he rarely does. His excuse is that he doesn't ride on the highways. Ohhhh, accidents only happen on highways?? I didn't know that. *rolling eyes* Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan Fairfax, VA The Tribe MC, Vice President 1998 Kawasaki Concours (called GTR1000 outside the USA) Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 09:13:17 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:12:49 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Yep, PA went helmetless not too long ago. I see it all the time when I go home to visit the folks. I still wear my helmet all the time though. Just don't feel comfortable without it. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them up there. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 09:22:27 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:20:12 -0400 No insurance. Boo hoo. I did report it to the cops. They weren't much interested. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: LindaT. Cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Interesting. Sorry to hear that. Was it insured or a total loss? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 09:35:03 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:27:43 -0400 From: Kelly Norton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL I talked to a couple guys on Harleys in Ohio a couple of months ago. These guys were probably in their late 50s/early 60s. We were talking about places with nice roads etc. I mentioned the Blue Ridge Parkway and the roads that I had ridden on in NC & Ten. Both guys shook their heads. They said they'd like to ride the Blue Ridge Parkway but wouldn't because they'd have to wear helmets in Va/NC. I suggested they keep paying their AMA membership fees and maybe they'd get their way. They were worried that the AMA would lobby more for lane splitting than repeal of helmet laws in these states. I got the impression that they thought lane splitting was useless. I was amazed that someone would pass up riding on some of the best roads in country because they'd have to wear a helmet. Glenn Dysart wrote: >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ > >I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I >saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them >up there. > >Glenn > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 09:51:28 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:49:20 -0400 When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my insurance company (whoever that was at the time) about insuring it. They said no. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Mike B. said: That's too bad...especially since insurance is so cheap for a moto trailer. I just got one and the additional cost to put comprehensive and collision on it was $16/year with the same deductibles I have on the car and bike. When it's hooked to my car, the car insurance covered it anyway, but when it's parked/stored it doesn't...adding it seperately means it's covered all the time. Not having to worry about it getting stolen or run over while parked somewhere is worth $16/year IMO. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:05:46 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's because you are usually covered from the insurance from the vehicle you are towing it with, or so I was told from my agent. Once its disconneted from the vehicle though I don't know if theft would be covered. Glenn --- "LindaT." wrote: > When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my > insurance company (whoever > that was at the time) about insuring it. They said > no. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:18:56 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:18:48 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL It's interesting, one study said up 100%, one up 50% one up 25% and then there was that one where fatalities were down. It's also interesting how they choose "2 years" "3 years" "1 year". Obviously if you're trying to get a high or low figure, you're going to choose the amount of years that yeilds the best results to what you're trying to say. Also they fail to mention what was the increase of the death rate prior to the helmet law being passed. If the death rate is up 50% the following 3 years after a helmet law was passed, but the death rate was still up 50% before it passed, then helmet laws really had nothing ot do wth the death rate. If anyone is comparing 4 years, 2 years prior and 2 years latter, and calling that a study they need to be fired. 86% of liars use statistics to make their points. On 8/11/05, Dale Horstman wrote: > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/09/deaths_up_after_helmet_law_repeals_studies_say/ > > > >I was surprised at the number of unhelmeted bikers I > >saw in PA over the weekend. Hardly anyone wears them > >up there. > > > >Glenn > > > > > > Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't > wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to > wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally > surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to > ride around completely unprotected up there. > > Horkster > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:42:31 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:40:17 -0400 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag At 09:20 AM 8/11/05 -0400, LindaT. wrote: >No insurance. Boo hoo. I did report it to the cops. They weren't much >interested. That's too bad...especially since insurance is so cheap for a moto trailer. I just got one and the additional cost to put comprehensive and collision on it was $16/year with the same deductibles I have on the car and bike. When it's hooked to my car, the car insurance covered it anyway, but when it's parked/stored it doesn't...adding it seperately means it's covered all the time. Not having to worry about it getting stolen or run over while parked somewhere is worth $16/year IMO. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:42:52 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:43:30 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag It isn't. While hooked up, the tow vehicle's coverage generally applies, but once unhooked, it doesn't. While it's in your garage it's probably covered by your homeowner's policy, but if parked elsewhere, it's not. If my insurance company had refused coverage, I'd probably have considered changing companies, but I've got a good one and they didn't have a problem with it. They are covering it 98% of the time already since they insure my car, my bike and my house too. -- Mike B. At 07:05 AM 8/11/05 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >That's because you are usually covered from the >insurance from the vehicle you are towing it with, or >so I was told from my agent. Once its disconneted >from the vehicle though I don't know if theft would be >covered. > >Glenn > >--- "LindaT." wrote: > >> When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my >> insurance company (whoever >> that was at the time) about insuring it. They said >> no. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:50:07 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:00 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL I'm still trying to understand it that a large enough percentage of the populace are this stupid. It's no wonder the gov't robs us in the name of the common good. It's kind of like people who engage in addictive substances when they know before hand what they are getting into and do it anyway. I guess it stands to reason.. people with good working brains protects itself.. people who's brains are stupid would lack the intelligence to protect itself. Maybe we should encourage people to not wear a helmet..if your'e that stupid to believe you dont' need it, we're probably better off without you LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 10:53:20 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:53:11 -0400 Homeowners/Renters??? >From: Glenn Dysart >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:05:38 -0700 (PDT) > >That's because you are usually covered from the >insurance from the vehicle you are towing it with, or >so I was told from my agent. Once its disconneted >from the vehicle though I don't know if theft would be >covered. > >Glenn > >--- "LindaT." wrote: > > > When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my > > insurance company (whoever > > that was at the time) about insuring it. They said > > no. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 11:51:15 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:52:46 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" Harry (The all seeing, all powerful, benevolent List Administrator -- Hail Harry) Meretrix Proclaimed: "the number of postings did start to decline in 2002. What happened in 2002? The list started rejecting postings with "attachments". Yeah, I received a couple of rejections from my Yahoo account. Found out Yahoo mail started putting my messages in those #$@# little envelopes. Anyone got a quick fix - or - do I hav-ta "Read The Factory Manual"? OB Moto: Some of us geezers on SabMag are planning another sojourn down Mexico way this February. We're planning on the east coast this time to Yucatan or Oaxaca or both. Comments and envy are welcome. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahora); '83 VF700F (666); 96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:12:50 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:12:30 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO AOhelL does the same thing. By default, any message you send includes an HTML version of it so, the DC Cycles list thinks it's an attachment and blocks it. I had to set all of my outgoing e-mail to send as Plain Text before it would work. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Custer, Carl To: 'DCCycles' Subject: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" Harry (The all seeing, all powerful, benevolent List Administrator -- Hail Harry) Meretrix Proclaimed: "the number of postings did start to decline in 2002. What happened in 2002? The list started rejecting postings with "attachments". Yeah, I received a couple of rejections from my Yahoo account. Found out Yahoo mail started putting my messages in those #$@# little envelopes. Anyone got a quick fix - or - do I hav-ta "Read The Factory Manual"? OB Moto: Some of us geezers on SabMag are planning another sojourn down Mexico way this February. We're planning on the east coast this time to Yucatan or Oaxaca or both. Comments and envy are welcome. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahora); '83 VF700F (666); 96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:20:08 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:20:00 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: rich hall Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX $16.. That is pretty good. That's cheaper than my kryptonite chain I tend to put on mine. On 8/11/05, rich hall wrote: > Homeowners/Renters??? > > >From: Glenn Dysart > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag > >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:05:38 -0700 (PDT) > > > >That's because you are usually covered from the > >insurance from the vehicle you are towing it with, or > >so I was told from my agent. Once its disconneted > >from the vehicle though I don't know if theft would be > >covered. > > > >Glenn > > > >--- "LindaT." wrote: > > > > > When I first got the trailer in '94, I asked my > > > insurance company (whoever > > > that was at the time) about insuring it. They said > > > no. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:25:14 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:25:05 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Kryptonite chain? Is that why you sign your speeding tickets "Superman"? On 8/11/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > $16.. That is pretty good. That's cheaper than my kryptonite chain I > tend to put on mine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:33:45 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:34:36 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL At 10:50 AM 8/11/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >It's kind of like people who engage in addictive substances when they >know before hand what they are getting into and do it anyway. Or people who ride motorcycles when there is much more protection available in cars and trucks? Why do you ride, rather than drive? Because the experience is different, and you like that? You are willing to give up some safety in exchange for that? How is this any different from someone who wants the experience of riding without a helmet rather than riding with one, and is willing to give up the extra safety for that? Why are they stupid, but you aren't? Personally, I wear a helmet, even when in PA or DE where it's optional, and even when riding with people who remove theirs and ask me why I'm bothering with mine. I don't consider the different experience worth the loss of protection in that case...but that's just me. I recognize that others have different views on that choice. I oppose helmet laws, not helmets. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 14:37:26 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:37:08 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO And so it begins. The great helmet debate. I didn't think it was that time of year for it yet. lol Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Mike B. To: Danny Motorcycle ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL At 10:50 AM 8/11/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >It's kind of like people who engage in addictive substances when they >know before hand what they are getting into and do it anyway. Or people who ride motorcycles when there is much more protection available in cars and trucks? Why do you ride, rather than drive? Because the experience is different, and you like that? You are willing to give up some safety in exchange for that? How is this any different from someone who wants the experience of riding without a helmet rather than riding with one, and is willing to give up the extra safety for that? Why are they stupid, but you aren't? Personally, I wear a helmet, even when in PA or DE where it's optional, and even when riding with people who remove theirs and ask me why I'm bothering with mine. I don't consider the different experience worth the loss of protection in that case...but that's just me. I recognize that others have different views on that choice. I oppose helmet laws, not helmets. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 15:11:17 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Why do you ride, rather than drive? hmm, $6/day + 30 min bus ride + mandatory commuting period vs $80/mo parking permit + choking on N395 fumes vs 15 min commute on HOV via the bike. > Why are they stupid, but you aren't? because they just are. any fool knows that when the skull has an interface with asphault, the skull is going to lose. The probability of an accident occuring is the same, helmet or no (all other things being equal - they're not (attitude, tendency to take risky action, skill etc. but we'll let that slide). The probability of injury not to mention severity is VASTLY different depending if a helmet is worn or not. > even when riding with people who remove theirs and ask me why I'm > bothering with mine. I have nothing but disdain for those who don't wear a helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 16:02:06 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:01:58 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ditto on what matt said... I'm for full face helmets, and against helmet laws. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 17:59:09 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:58:02 -0400 From: skip To: scooterfzr@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > I had to set all of my outgoing e-mail to send as Plain > Text before it would work. thank you Harry. I hate html mail. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 18:13:29 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:13:19 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles , ldrider , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [GSX1100G] Pass along this TV spot...d From the GSX1100G list: Greetings fellow G-Nuts... Thought you might enjoy this tv spot. Pass it along to everyone you know, especially the NON-riding public. Enjoy. http://www.splicehere.tv/player.php?MF=hi&ID=spotsoffline2 -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 21:57:55 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:57:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Louis F. Caplan wrote: >>Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't >>wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to >>wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally >>surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to >>ride around completely unprotected up there. >> >>Horkster >> >> > >My brother is signed up for the MSF course in CT this fall, and I get >the feeling (just from knowing him for 34 years) that if he does get a >bike, he won't wear a helmet often. > Well, at least he is taking the MSF course. My same idiot brother-in-law keeps coming up with excuses on why he hasn't taken the MSF course in PA (and it is (or it was, not sure if it still is) FREE for PA residents)... Sigh. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 11 21:59:18 2005 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:59:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Kelly Norton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Kelly Norton wrote: > They were worried that the AMA would lobby more for lane splitting And here I think that is exactly what the AMA should be lobbying for - lane splitting. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 07:51:34 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0400 I think I read in PA you have to have taken MSF, be 21, & ridden for 2 yrs, to not LEGALLY wear a helmet. >From: Dale Horstman >To: "Louis F. Caplan" >CC: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:57:37 -0400 > >Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >>>Yep, I've got an idiot brother-in-law who doesn't >>>wear his anymore. Of course, he only used to >>>wear a beanie helmet to start with. I am totally >>>surprised at the sheer numbers of folks willing to >>>ride around completely unprotected up there. >>> >>>Horkster >>> >>> >> >>My brother is signed up for the MSF course in CT this fall, and I get >>the feeling (just from knowing him for 34 years) that if he does get a >>bike, he won't wear a helmet often. >> > >Well, at least he is taking the MSF course. My same idiot >brother-in-law keeps coming up with excuses on why he >hasn't taken the MSF course in PA (and it is (or it was, >not sure if it still is) FREE for PA residents)... > >Sigh. > >Horkster > > >-- >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 07:56:30 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > $16.. That is pretty good. That's cheaper than my kryptonite chain I > tend to put on mine. I have an 18' car trailer and my insurance is about the same through Allstate. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 10:27:26 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:27:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag Cc: DCCycles On 8/11/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Kryptonite chain? Is that why you sign your speeding tickets "Superman"? Superman doesn't sign tickets, he flies away LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 12:10:18 2005 To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] rejecting postings with "attachments" Content-ID: <12994.1123863015.1@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:10:15 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Found out Yahoo mail started putting my messages in those #$@# little >envelopes. Anyone got a quick fix - or - do I hav-ta "Read The Factory >Manual"? Yahoo users can try this: http://mailformat.dan.info/config/yahoo.html There's also info on a bunch of mail clients here: http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Anybody who still has trouble figuring it out, feel free to send me private email, I'll try to help. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 13:20:42 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:20:29 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Just like the tale of Muhammed Ali getting on an airplane. The stewardess told him to buckle his seatbelt and he told her "Superman don't need no seatbelt." To which she replied, "Superman don't need no plane neither." hehe Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trailer in a bag On 8/11/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Kryptonite chain? Is that why you sign your speeding tickets "Superman"? Superman doesn't sign tickets, he flies away LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 13:37:37 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just leave the lobbying for no helmet laws to the Neanderthals that belong to ABATE. That seems to be the only issue they're ever concerned about. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Kelly Norton wrote: > > > They were worried that the AMA would lobby more > for lane splitting > > > And here I think that is exactly what the AMA should > be > lobbying for - lane splitting. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 14:37:25 2005 From: To: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel oh gawd...that's right behind my old office at OJS... http://tinyurl.com/7pc5y -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 15:10:12 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:10:05 -0400 Is that tunnel going to the Capitol/D St or going to 395? Speaking of which, there's a sign for that tunnel, that says speed camera, headed towards the Capitol. I've been through there at a pace that might trigger such a camera, before I saw, said sign. Anyone know if there is a camera in there? >From: >To: >Subject: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0400 > >oh gawd...that's right behind my old office at OJS... > >http://tinyurl.com/7pc5y From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 15:34:13 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:32:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Track Day Monday I am heading out Monday early for the Coleman's Track Day. If anyone wants to ride out or is going and wants to say hi. I will be bike number #22 Black 05 R6, Hope everyone has a great weekend!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 15:38:17 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:38:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: [dc-cycles] Track Day Monday Set Up Questions Looks like I need engine ice coolant and to drain and flush my existing coolant. If anyone is around this weekend and willing to help it would be much appreciated. Cheers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 15:53:32 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track Day Monday Set Up Questions Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:51:53 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX I recommend you stay away from Engine Ice, not all tracks or track day organizations approve of it. Use only distilled water and Water Wetter. My $.02 Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" ; Subject: [dc-cycles] Track Day Monday Set Up Questions > > > > Looks like I need engine ice coolant and to drain and flush my existing > coolant. If anyone is around this weekend and willing to help it would > be much appreciated. > > Cheers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 16:18:50 2005 From: "Gary Keim" To: "dc-cycles list" Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:18:39 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Lane Splitting AMA won't get the Lane Splitting Laws changed without the help of the Neanderthals at ABATE. If enough of you would put your money where your mouth is and join ABATE you might find out what a State Motorcycle Rights Organization does. It's not all about helmets. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 16:56:30 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:53:18 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel To: richallmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Yes, there is one as you're headed out of DC to 395 just as you leave the tunnel on the right hand side. I think there are also two white lines running across the road as well. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: rich hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel Is that tunnel going to the Capitol/D St or going to 395?    Speaking of which, there's a sign for that tunnel, that says speed camera, headed towards the Capitol. I've been through there at a pace that might trigger such a camera, before I saw, said sign. Anyone know if there is a camera in there?    >From:   >To:   >Subject: [dc-cycles] Accident w/motorcycle in 3rd st tunnel  >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0400  >  >oh gawd...that's right behind my old office at OJS...  >  >http://tinyurl.com/7pc5y    From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 19:56:09 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lane Splitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX AMA needs Abate like I need a hole in the head. I don't support Abate's notion that there shouldn't be helmet laws. Not unless they push just as hard to let insurance companies deny payouts on head injuries to those who don't wear helmets. If mandatory helmet laws are recinded then you have to deal with a variety of fallout. problem: insurers refuse to insure motorcyclists period, helmeted or not answer: legislation is currently trying to prevent discrimination based on "dangerous" activity. otherwise we'll have dozens of classes of insured persons. (eg. bus riders vs bicyclists vs motorcycle poseurs vs motorcycle commuters vs train riders vs ...) which quickly leads to problem: everybody's insurance premiums go up (general public included) answer: carriers simply exit the market be it state or regional level The only real solution is one of: 1) surcharge based on activity - ie motorcyclists simply pay higher premiums than 'normal' people. But this quickly gets into the "well, he's obese/diabetic/has cancer/epleptic/skis/dives/.... so how come he only pays just 'normal' rates..." mess that the aforementioned legislation was trying to prevent. 2) mandatory helmet laws to keep costs down 3) no mandatory helmet laws but also no carrier liability to pay for any costs arising from head trauma arriving from a motorcycle accident when no helmet was being worn. The simplest and most easy to live with from an enforcement and legal stance is option #2. #3 is the most libertarian but seeing as how this country does nothing but try to evade personal responsibility, the courts will be full of plaintiffs (survivors) trying to overturn their policies because they didn't bother to read the fine print or wear a helmet that one time that fate caught up with them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 21:23:02 2005 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:22:55 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Steve Beck Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on Helmets in FL Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Didn't one of their top officials die from a MC wreck without a helmet? On 8/12/05, Steve Beck wrote: > Just leave the lobbying for no helmet laws to the > Neanderthals that belong to ABATE. That seems to be > the only issue they're ever concerned about. > > > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Kelly Norton wrote: > > > > > They were worried that the AMA would lobby more > > for lane splitting > > > > > > And here I think that is exactly what the AMA should > > be > > lobbying for - lane splitting. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 12 22:31:31 2005 From: "Gary Keim" To: "dc-cycles list" Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:31:20 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Opion You don't even know how State Motorcycle Laws are created or changed. AMA has to rely on State MRO's (ABATE} to introduce bills or fight changes to existing bills. It's all about your right to ride, no matter how you chose to do it, or what kind of bike you ride. If we don't work together we all lose!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 13 00:38:40 2005 From: "Patrick Carter" To: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:37:28 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 2001 Suzuki GSX-r 600 Track bike - $3650 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/90755948.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 13 00:39:23 2005 From: "Patrick Carter" To: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:38:11 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 2000 Honda CBR600F4 $3650/OBO Fresh paint - $3650 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/90757275.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 13 01:20:52 2005 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:19:34 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] starter bike Ive got 2 friends (I know surprising, if you've met me, but it's true) that are looking for bikes. guy one is looking for an old school CB550 ro 750. 1975 or thereabouts. this guy has ridden before the other guy is looking for a starter bike. he's ridden, but not much, and I dont' believe he's ever ridden on the street. a GSXR is -not- what he needs. what he needs is a smallish, naked-ish bike. I can send them both to ebay (and I will) but I figured I'd check here first. so i'm looking for a god starter bike that this guy can throw on the ground without making it look any uglier than it already is. you all know what I'm talking about. so. whatchoogot? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 13 19:44:42 2005 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:43:04 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at filter10.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Great ride last weekend If you have not been to Burkes Garden (off I-81 near Tazewell --go--soon. Last weekend Nancy and I did a 250 mile loop out of Mt Airy, NC with friends Dick and Karen. The best was Va. Rt 91--about 30 miles of paved twisties followed by 25 miles of gravel( we don't need no stinking dual sport) then drops down into the garden. Stop at the store-the only commercial establishment in the Garden-then do the loop around the edge. Exit with about 15 miles of gravel with double switch-backs( we don't need no stinking dual sport) going up and out. One of the best rides we have done in a long time Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 14 00:03:36 2005 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] starter bike To: skip , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Someone posted a few days ago about a Suzuki Bandit 400 for sale locally. I rode one one from DC to New England on back roads and loved it. Adam --- skip wrote: > Ive got 2 friends (I know surprising, if you've met > me, but it's true) > that are looking for bikes. guy one is looking for > an old school CB550 > ro 750. 1975 or thereabouts. this guy has ridden > before > > the other guy is looking for a starter bike. he's > ridden, but not much, > and I dont' believe he's ever ridden on the street. > a GSXR is -not- > what he needs. what he needs is a smallish, > naked-ish bike. I can send > them both to ebay (and I will) but I figured I'd > check here first. so > i'm looking for a god starter bike that this guy can > throw on the ground > without making it look any uglier than it already > is. you all know what > I'm talking about. > > > so. > > whatchoogot? > > > --skip > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 14 13:25:25 2005 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:25:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Bob McKeithen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great ride last weekend Bob McKeithen wrote: > If you have not been to Burkes Garden (off I-81 near Tazewell > --go--soon. Last weekend Nancy and I did a 250 mile loop out of Mt > Airy, NC with friends Dick and Karen. The best was Va. Rt 91--about 30 > miles of paved twisties followed by 25 miles of gravel( we don't need > no stinking dual sport) then drops down into the garden. Stop at the > store-the only commercial establishment in the Garden-then do the loop > around the edge. Exit with about 15 miles of gravel with double > switch-backs( we don't need no stinking dual sport) going up and out. > One of the best rides we have done in a long time > > Bob > > > Bob, Burkes Garden was a fantastic bonus in the Feast in the East Rally a few years ago. I had never been there - it was like riding back in time when you got to that general store. The paved road going in was wonderful, but I found the switchback gravel road coming out to the South to be quite pucker-inducing on my Concours. It's a great place to experience first hand. Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 15 20:37:35 2005 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:37:30 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Yarmouth, Nova Scotia to be precise. Neat boat ride - 120 miles in 2.5 hours (www.catferry.com). This puppy (or should I say kitty) moves out right smartly for a 400' boat. Gonna loop the Bay of Fundy and head back home in a day or two. Cheers. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 15 20:59:41 2005 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:59:30 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? On 8/15/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > Yarmouth, Nova Scotia to be precise. Neat boat ride - 120 miles in 2.5 > hours (www.catferry.com). This puppy (or should I say kitty) moves out > right smartly for a 400' boat. MANY years ago, I got to ride a kind of predecessor to that... a hydroplane ferry used to run across the English Channel from Southhampton to, um... somewhere in France. ;) It was a pretty neat ride. Gonna have to check out the Cat one of these days - looks like fun. How much effort did you have to go through to tie the bike down on that critter? > Gonna loop the Bay of Fundy and head back home in a day or two. Excellent! Hope you took a camera and are gonna post a few shots when you get back. Enjoy the rest of the trip! --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 15 22:00:51 2005 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:00:49 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Cc: DC Cycles > Gonna have to check out the Cat one of these days - looks like > fun. How much effort did you have to go through to tie the bike down > on that critter? Tiedowns on deck and industrial straps provided. I'd have brought some some soft loops had I known. Bike on centerstand, forks lightly compressed and rear tied down (flat deck). Lotsa Harleys and Wings that tied down while on sidestand. Worried about it the whole trip (boat pitching fore and aft and bikes tied down port-starboard), but I found it like I left it. Boat was pretty stable in 5' seas. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 15 22:08:44 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:07:45 -0400 From: "lister lynch" To: "Michael Jordan" , Make sure you time the rising tide to see the reversing river at the Bay of Fundy. Quite a sight to see the boil as it goes *up* the down-flowing river. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Yarmouth, Nova Scotia to be precise. Neat boat ride - 120 miles in 2.5 hours (www.catferry.com). This puppy (or should I say kitty) moves out right smartly for a 400' boat. Gonna loop the Bay of Fundy and head back home in a day or two. Cheers. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 08:23:10 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:23:00 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Cc: you@XXXXXX, DC Cycles I've always tied down on the side stand on ferries without incident (including one quite suspense-filled crossing of 8-10 foot seas on Cook Strait, with my bike in between 2 Hells Angels' bikes.) Why'd you centerstand instead of sidestand like the Wings and Harleys? On 8/15/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Gonna have to check out the Cat one of these days - looks like > > fun. How much effort did you have to go through to tie the bike down > > on that critter? > > Tiedowns on deck and industrial straps provided. I'd have brought some > some soft loops had I known. Bike on centerstand, forks lightly > compressed and rear tied down (flat deck). Lotsa Harleys and Wings > that tied down while on sidestand. > > Worried about it the whole trip (boat pitching fore and aft and bikes > tied down port-starboard), but I found it like I left it. > > Boat was pretty stable in 5' seas. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 08:49:29 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:49:20 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 It is the 4th session on Summit Main. I am not getting a knee down but am scraping shiny bits on every turn. On the advice of someone, I have removed the feelers from my rear pegs. I decided earlier today to implement an aggressive stretching regimen as I was having some difficulty getting motivated to move my butt far off the seat. A control rider picks me up and taps his helmet. I am following his line and we are booking......on the rails, lapping people. I was playing follow the leader and got to learn about passing in the corners. I cannot tell you the feeling of absolute happiness. The control rider gave me a thumbs up and then let me go on my way. I am smooth on the inputs and smooth on my lines. I am using up a lot of the track and a whole lot of tire. I had rubber burrs on the edges. The one area I was instructed to work on was hard braking coming into Turn 1. I normally initiate my brake and line 3. I waited until line 2 and then squeezed. I squeezed harder. I felt like I was flying into the turn. I set up and leaned. This was awesome. I was leaning well in and my toe was scraping. I was on the concrete patch....that dreaded patch in the middle and I was looking well ahead as I came past the apex. The next thing I know...I am sliding.....WTF? I did not give the bike any inputs..other than throttle and I was rolling on. I am on my butt and I am looking at my precious bike and a dust cloud as we both slide off the track. I was relaxed and just going with it. I must be slowing down. I put my left arm out and caught my elbow and the next thing I knew I was no longer sliding. I was rolling...elbow, hip, arm the occasional head tap. I am really grateful for my Vanson gear. After a few moments I stood up and let the people in the tower know I was okay. After the adrenaline wore off, I have a sore left shoulder a burn-bruise-lump on my left arm, some back and hip soreness but that is it. Vanson and Shoei did its job. My nice new, shiny GYT-R racing pipe ended up completely detached in a vertical position stuck to my rear cowling. The rest I won't go into because I am still sad. Thanks to an all round great guy by the name of Morpheus...he was able to reattach my pipe. I suppose I might have been able to re-tech and go again but as it was already the start of the sixth session I got on my bike and gimped back to Arlington. I really want to know why I went from a well leaned over, smooth roll on the throttle to a low side. I was in the middle left of the track and was looking well ahead. I thought I had left that concrete patch behind me. One moment I was there, and the next I was sliding and I have no recall of any wheel movement or input. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 09:14:47 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:14:32 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 At 08:49 AM 8/16/05 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >difficulty getting motivated to move my butt far off the seat. A >control rider picks me up and taps his helmet. What does that signal? I'm guessing from the context that it's "follow me"? Are there standard signals? >I really want to know why I went from a well leaned over, smooth roll on >the throttle to a low side. I'm not a racer, but physics is physics. It sounds like your tires lost traction and you were in a situation where you were using all you had to stay on your line. Were your tires in good shape? Tread, pressure, warmed up, etc? Was there anything on the track? Oil, water, sand, rubber buildup from tire wear? Are there any bumps or dips in the track there that might have changed the load on your suspension, even a little? If you didn't change the forces on your tires with throttle on or off, brakes or a change in lean or steering, those are all I can think of that might account for it. Glad you had fun, glad you are ok, and glad that the bike is in good enough shape to ride home. As I said, I'm not a racer, but from what I hear if you aren't crashing occasionally while learning, you probably aren't pushing it very close to your personal limits. It sounds like you are improving your abilities. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 09:17:38 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:16:42 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX If you weren't dragging your knee then you may have had the bike leaned over too far and just rode off the edge of the tires. Are you coming to any more track days? NESBA has days scheduled in Semptember and October. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 > > > > It is the 4th session on Summit Main. I am not getting a knee down but > am scraping shiny bits on every turn. On the advice of someone, I have > removed the feelers from my rear pegs. I decided earlier today to > implement an aggressive stretching regimen as I was having some > difficulty getting motivated to move my butt far off the seat. A > control rider picks me up and taps his helmet. I am following his line > and we are booking......on the rails, lapping people. I was playing > follow the leader and got to learn about passing in the corners. > > I cannot tell you the feeling of absolute happiness. The control rider > gave me a thumbs up and then let me go on my way. I am smooth on the > inputs and smooth on my lines. I am using up a lot of the track and a > whole lot of tire. I had rubber burrs on the edges. The one area I was > instructed to work on was hard braking coming into Turn 1. I normally > initiate my brake and line 3. I waited until line 2 and then squeezed. > I squeezed harder. I felt like I was flying into the turn. I set up > and leaned. This was awesome. I was leaning well in and my toe was > scraping. I was on the concrete patch....that dreaded patch in the > middle and I was looking well ahead as I came past the apex. > > The next thing I know...I am sliding.....WTF? I did not give the bike > any inputs..other than throttle and I was rolling on. I am on my butt > and I am looking at my precious bike and a dust cloud as we both slide > off the track. I was relaxed and just going with it. I must be slowing > down. I put my left arm out and caught my elbow and the next thing I > knew I was no longer sliding. I was rolling...elbow, hip, arm the > occasional head tap. > > I am really grateful for my Vanson gear. After a few moments I stood up > and let the people in the tower know I was okay. After the adrenaline > wore off, > I have a sore left shoulder a burn-bruise-lump on my left arm, some back > and hip soreness but that is it. Vanson and Shoei did its job. > My nice new, shiny GYT-R racing pipe ended up completely detached in a > vertical position stuck to my rear cowling. The rest I won't go into > because I am still sad. > > Thanks to an all round great guy by the name of Morpheus...he was able > to reattach my pipe. I suppose I might have been able to re-tech and go > again but as it was already the start of the sixth session I got on my > bike and gimped back to Arlington. > > I really want to know why I went from a well leaned over, smooth roll on > the throttle to a low side. I was in the middle left of the track and > was looking well ahead. I thought I had left that concrete patch behind > me. One moment I was there, and the next I was sliding and I have no > recall of any wheel movement or input. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 09:47:58 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Bruce N wrote: > If you weren't dragging your knee then you may have had the bike leaned over > too far and just rode off the edge of the tires. I agree. Glad you're ok and the bike is in riding condition. Hit up the list if you need help with repairs. -- Wayne PS - Bruce, dude, learn how to snip. :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 11:03:06 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:05:28 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 Julian Halton wrote: > >Thanks to an all round great guy by the name of Morpheus...he was able >to reattach my pipe. I suppose I might have been able to re-tech and go >again but as it was already the start of the sixth session I got on my >bike and gimped back to Arlington. > > > Julian, Glad to hear you are ok! One bit of advice, if I may? You really shouldn't ride to a track day on your bike. If possible, try to find someone else going and get your bike trailered there. I have seen too many people go to the track by themselves and get hurt and not be able to ride home. Yes, there are many wonderful people who will help get your bike and stuff home, but if, god forbid, you got seriously hurt and you were there by yourself...not good. It's always best to use the "buddy system" when heading to the track. Just my 2 cents. Glad to hear you made it out ok and were able to get yourself home! Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 14:55:52 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My $0.02 is you ran out of rubber. I've seen you earlier this year at Main and I remember you sitting pretty upright and not leaning off much. I'm also guessing you had street rubber. My thoughts: 1. Scraping stuff other than your feelers is bad (they are there as a reference point of the bikes traction limits, which you passed). I know lots of people say yank the feelers, but my $0.02 is not with street rubber. 2. Not moving your weight lower and to the inside There is no magical alert when you are about to run out of tire/traction. You can use reference points and get a feeling for when the bike gets loose, but thats not an exact science anyway. So what it boils down to, you pushed too hard too fast without any basis for how much speed you could carry and be safe. Take a look at your pics when they post them. And get a ride to the track next time! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 17:44:28 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:44:15 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "dan@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ..................Track Day #2 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hang off your bike. Your knee should touch the ground before any hard parts do. Morpheus is the guy I was trying to get you a ride with last time.. but his truck was full. He's on the dcsb .com website so he should reply to your post there, if he hasn't already. On 8/16/05, dan@XXXXXX wrote: > My $0.02 is you ran out of rubber. I've seen you earlier this year at > Main and I remember you sitting pretty upright and not leaning off much. > I'm also guessing you had street rubber. > > My thoughts: > > 1. Scraping stuff other than your feelers is bad (they are there as a > reference point of the bikes traction limits, which you passed). I know > lots of people say yank the feelers, but my $0.02 is not with street > rubber. > 2. Not moving your weight lower and to the inside > > There is no magical alert when you are about to run out of tire/traction. > You can use reference points and get a feeling for when the bike gets > loose, but thats not an exact science anyway. So what it boils down to, > you pushed too hard too fast without any basis for how much speed you > could carry and be safe. > > Take a look at your pics when they post them. And get a ride to the track > next time! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 16 18:17:15 2005 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:17:10 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hi from Canadia, eh? Cc: you@XXXXXX, DC Cycles > Why'd you centerstand instead of sidestand like the Wings and Harleys? Steep sidetand with propensity to roll off with a little movement. Would have preferred a front wheel chock. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 09:04:05 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 06:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] New tires = Bike pulls to right I just got new Pilot Roads put on my ZRX and while it looks like the rear tire is properly aligned, tires in fine shape, road in fine shape, etc.; when I let go of the bars at speed the bike immediately leans over to the right and starts pulling that way. Does this regardless of road surface, left vs. right grade, in a turn, etc. It never did this before in the 8k miles with the original tires. I used to be able to let go of the bars and it would continue straight as an arrow. So, obviously something changed when the shop put on the new tires. I'm guessing it is the alignment, but the eccentric adjusters on my swingarm are both lined up just like they were before the tire change, so to my eyes, it can't be out of alignment. And the handlebars appear to be pointing straight ahead. I'm super busy with work and life right now, so it will have to wait a bit before I pester the shop to look at it again - since they caused this, they can look into what happened. But, I'd love the consideration of the collective here..... btw - Love the Pilot Roads, amazingly "sticky" for a ST tire. Much more so than the stock BT020. - Jimmy ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 10:36:23 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:36:10 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New tires = Bike pulls to right James O'Connor wrote: >So, obviously something changed when the shop put on the new tires. >I'm guessing it is the alignment, but the eccentric adjusters on my >swingarm are both lined up just like they were before the tire >change, so to my eyes, it can't be out of alignment. > Check with a tape messure your adjusters, never rely on the markings. You can check front to rear with 2x4's or string to see if you front aligns with the rear. Or is it possible the Pilot Roads different shape (taller, rounder, etc) makes the bike seem different? Just a thought. > >btw - Love the Pilot Roads, amazingly "sticky" for a ST tire. Much >more so than the stock BT020. > > > Once you get your bike straight, I'd like to know how long (miles) the Pilot's run. >- Jimmy > > > > Good luck, Tom de '03 ST1300 > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 12:06:37 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:06:28 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New tires = Bike pulls to right Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You should probably call the shop ASAP. YOu don't want them saying "hey it's 2 weeks later and you're now complaining? maybe you hit a pot hole or something" On 8/18/05, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > James O'Connor wrote: > > >So, obviously something changed when the shop put on the new tires. > >I'm guessing it is the alignment, but the eccentric adjusters on my > >swingarm are both lined up just like they were before the tire > >change, so to my eyes, it can't be out of alignment. > > > Check with a tape messure your adjusters, never rely on the markings. > You can check front to rear with 2x4's or string to see if you front > aligns with the rear. Or is it possible the Pilot Roads different > shape (taller, rounder, etc) makes the bike seem different? Just a thought. > > > > >btw - Love the Pilot Roads, amazingly "sticky" for a ST tire. Much > >more so than the stock BT020. > > > > > > > Once you get your bike straight, I'd like to know how long (miles) the > Pilot's run. > > >- Jimmy > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > Tom de > '03 ST1300 > > > > > > >____________________________________________________ > >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 14:54:22 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:54:14 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited I saw on the harbor friegh website they had a few MC jacks. and htey were 79.99 on up. So I have a couple of questions: I noticed at least one of the pictured jacks didn't have the extra loops on the side of the plat form for the tie down straps.. I need those loops... So the question is, does harborfrieght have them for $49.99 for sure? and do they have the tie down strap loops? I saw pep boys was 49.99 after a rebate of 10. I hate rebate (scams) so i'd rather avoid that one.. I thought I saw one somewhere in person for $49.99 autozone? (going to check their website).. hmm or sams club maybe? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 16:53:14 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:52:48 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Wow. Another mindless DM post. On 8/18/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > So I have a couple of questions: Shoot. > I noticed at least one of the pictured jacks didn't have the extra > loops on the side of the plat form for the tie down straps.. I need > those loops... That's a statement, not a question. Try again. > So the question is, does harborfrieght have them for $49.99 for sure? > and do they have the tie down strap loops? Call Harbor Freight. They would know for sure. > I saw pep boys was 49.99 after a rebate of 10. I hate rebate (scams) > so i'd rather avoid that one.. > > I thought I saw one somewhere in person for $49.99 autozone? (going to > check their website).. hmm or sams club maybe? Feel free to keep on rambling. But don't keep hitting "send" afterwards. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 18:28:52 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:28:44 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Cc: DCCycles LOL tommy tommy tommy.. my old boy... you old flamer you.. How high and mighty, noble ,and grand you conduct yourself, on such a warranted quest. Reread your post and try to imagine how impressed we all are in it's value. Its' worth it's weight in gold. Is everything okay with you? Do you need some fibre in your diet? If my posts annoy you, and you want them to dissappear, may I suggest a highly more effective method than being.... (wha'ts the word?) grumpy? it's called "email filters". Look into it. Seriously, you dont' really assume you snidely make a request and expect someone to care to obey your obsurd request do you? You see, while you choose to read what you consider to be garbage, then bitch and moan... others here have read my email, and responded to me privately telling me about pep boys and harborfreight. So by me REVISITING the topic, I can 1> communicate with both simulatenously, 2> make good information public for our fellow listers who may in the future want to buy a motorcycle jack and know where to get the best local deal. But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it successfully, more power to you). So thanks, keep the positivity flowing! I need your imput if it's going to continue to be this valuable! On 8/18/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Wow. Another mindless DM post. Very mindless! No good can come from my post! Yours is so valuable! > On 8/18/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > So I have a couple of questions: > > Shoot. No it's not that serious! > > I noticed at least one of the pictured jacks didn't have the extra > > loops on the side of the plat form for the tie down straps.. I need > > those loops... > > That's a statement, not a question. Try again. You preamble hater you! > > So the question is, does harborfrieght have them for $49.99 for sure? > > and do they have the tie down strap loops? > > Call Harbor Freight. They would know for sure. Good idea what's the number? While that is one option, I thought I'd pose it to the list for someone who maybe has purchased one, and would know for sure. You know how the list loves HFT don't you? > > I saw pep boys was 49.99 after a rebate of 10. I hate rebate (scams) > > so i'd rather avoid that one.. > > > > I thought I saw one somewhere in person for $49.99 autozone? (going to > > check their website).. hmm or sams club maybe? > > Feel free to keep on rambling. But don't keep hitting "send" afterwards. So informing the list that the pepboys jack is based on a rebate is rambling? Or you just need snipping lessons? also naming the other two, I was trying to possibly refresh anyone's memory who may have saw it and could in turn refresh mine, that is rambling too.. as opposed to what? being all grumpy? At your request sire, I shall never hit send ever again, starting right now at the end of this sentence. You are, after all, almighty list judge and ruler. thank you for your revered oppinion. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 19:35:51 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:35:42 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Danny scribbled: > So by me REVISITING the topic, I can 1> communicate with both > simulatenously, 2> make good information public for our fellow > listers who may in the future want to buy a motorcycle jack and know > where to get the best local deal. > > But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very > valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire > so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride > LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it > successfully, more power to you). So thanks, keep the positivity > flowing! I need your imput if it's going to continue to be this > valuable! Way to follow a conversation, Danny. That wasn't me. Why not REVISIT that topic. Then: > > Call Harbor Freight. They would know for sure. > > Good idea what's the number? You can call and speak to a Customer Service Representative Monday-Friday 8:00 am-4:30 pm P.S.T. at 1-800-444-3353 toll free or 1-805-388-2000 (this is not a toll free number). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 21:23:59 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:23:47 -0400 Guys, PLEASE take this bullshit off-list. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:35:42 -0400 Danny scribbled: > So by me REVISITING the topic, I can 1> communicate with both > simulatenously, 2> make good information public for our fellow > listers who may in the future want to buy a motorcycle jack and know > where to get the best local deal. > > But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very > valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire > so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride > LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it > successfully, more power to you). So thanks, keep the positivity > flowing! I need your imput if it's going to continue to be this > valuable! Way to follow a conversation, Danny. That wasn't me. Why not REVISIT that topic. Then: > > Call Harbor Freight. They would know for sure. > > Good idea what's the number? You can call and speak to a Customer Service Representative Monday-Friday 8:00 am-4:30 pm P.S.T. at 1-800-444-3353 toll free or 1-805-388-2000 (this is not a toll free number). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 18 22:51:48 2005 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:51:35 -0400 From: skip To: Rob Keiser CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Rob Keiser wrote: > > Guys, PLEASE take this bullshit off-list. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 awww, c'mon Rob! we haven't had a good pairing of diametrically opposed fellows since.... wait. never mind. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 03:38:43 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:38:32 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Cc: DCCycles In that case I apologize Mr Jordan. LOL then I guess someone set you up. I forgot how easy it was to forge email headers and "spoof" email. "it says it's from you so it must be true" lol I thought it was all in good fun anyway :) - Danny On 8/18/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Danny scribbled: > > So by me REVISITING the topic, I can 1> communicate with both > > simulatenously, 2> make good information public for our fellow > > listers who may in the future want to buy a motorcycle jack and know > > where to get the best local deal. > > > > But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very > > valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire > > so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride > > LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it > > successfully, more power to you). So thanks, keep the positivity > > flowing! I need your imput if it's going to continue to be this > > valuable! > > Way to follow a conversation, Danny. That wasn't me. Why not REVISIT that topic. > > Then: > > > Call Harbor Freight. They would know for sure. > > > > Good idea what's the number? > > You can call and speak to a Customer Service Representative > Monday-Friday 8:00 am-4:30 pm P.S.T. at 1-800-444-3353 toll free or > 1-805-388-2000 (this is not a toll free number). > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 08:32:16 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:32:07 -0400 Reading comprehension must not be your forte. If you go back and REVISIT the "bald tire" thread, you'll see that it was I that rode on the bald tire. Not Thomas. I'm sure the fact that we both have the same last name can be awfully confusing. Do try and pay attention, won't you? S-E-A-N (Not Thomas, or Michael) Jordan > >Danny scribbled: > > But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very > > valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire > > so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride >>LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it > > successfully, more power to you). >From: Thomas Jordan >Way to follow a conversation, Danny. That wasn't me. Why not REVISIT that >topic >From: Danny Motorcycle >In that case I apologize Mr Jordan. > >LOL then I guess someone set you up. I forgot how easy it was to forge >email headers and "spoof" email. "it says it's from you so it must be >true" lol _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 09:40:12 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:39:59 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL Did I SAY IT WAS HIM? Did I even IMPLY it was him? SHOW ME where I implied who it was? I only said "so I can". We all know who it was, and was not, and I merely referenced it (jokingly - notice the "lol" or "" or ":)" strategicly placed near my jokes) because we all know the details. Now who needs reading comrpehension? I knew I could have said I wanted to change my tire so my kid wouldnt' ride on threads, but I felt that would have been over kill, and it was in jest anyway.. besides my son is only 2,so that would be dumb. so the reference alone was enough, for those who don't need everything explained to them. I also thought it would have been funny had I said with quotatons "oh yea well your son rides on threads!!!" lol as a joke... you know, for those of us who don't have a stick stuck in the muck of our anals, and have a sense of humor. So in regards to reading comprehension, to you I say touche! nanny nanny boo boo I read better than you do! :) Maybe YOU should be off riding through some threads instead of reading through this one. SEAN! :) - Danny On 8/19/05, Sean Jordan wrote: > Reading comprehension must not be your forte. > > If you go back and REVISIT the "bald tire" thread, you'll see that it was I > that rode on the bald tire. > > Not Thomas. > > I'm sure the fact that we both have the same last name can be awfully > confusing. Do try and pay attention, won't you? > > S-E-A-N (Not Thomas, or Michael) Jordan > > > > > >Danny scribbled: > > > But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very > > > valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire > > > so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride > >>LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it > > > successfully, more power to you). > > >From: Thomas Jordan > >Way to follow a conversation, Danny. That wasn't me. Why not REVISIT that > >topic > > > >From: Danny Motorcycle > >In that case I apologize Mr Jordan. > > > >LOL then I guess someone set you up. I forgot how easy it was to forge > >email headers and "spoof" email. "it says it's from you so it must be > >true" lol > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 09:49:40 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:49:31 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] MC jacks/lifts Maybe I can answer the question and not wade into the flamefest about who said what to whom and when. I've got the Sears lift (not jack) that works great on the KLR. They're on sale from time to time for $90; reg. price is 99 bux, as I recall. Heavy-duty and just plain heavy, seeing how I have to lug it up a flight of stairs to my outdoor work area. Easy to use. The Risk Management folks say that I need to advise you to use the tie-down straps that come with the unit. VFR has a centerstand, as all sensible street bikes should...... -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 10:03:25 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:03:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MC jacks/lifts Cc: Dc-Cycles Thanks paul... just to further the discussion, I've already owned one, for some time now. I don't recall where I bought it.. likely sams club for about $80.. and I use it on sportbikes with the tie down straps, and it works extremely to my satisfaction. I've read on the newsgroups someone having the sears model break on them. Since mine works well, and to me, they all seem pretty much the same in design, I figure I might as well shop for price. I want a second one for a second location that I do work. So that's why I'm looking for price, vs where to get one. I don't see the point of spending an extra $30 for the same thing. And at the same time, all the details of price, and design could help out someone else on the list who eventually wants to start doing their own wrenching. thanks - Danny On 8/19/05, Paul Wilson wrote: > Maybe I can answer the question and not wade into the flamefest about > who said what to whom and when. > > I've got the Sears lift (not jack) that works great on the KLR. > They're on sale from time to time for $90; reg. price is 99 bux, as I > recall. Heavy-duty and just plain heavy, seeing how I have to lug it > up a flight of stairs to my outdoor work area. Easy to use. The Risk > Management folks say that I need to advise you to use the tie-down > straps that come with the unit. > > VFR has a centerstand, as all sensible street bikes should...... > -- > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 10:19:10 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:18:56 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs I'm in a bit of a quandry... I've got an 85 V65 Sabre. It's a good bike, and definately has enough engine to keep me satisfied. my problem is this: It's a 20 year old bike. there are obviously some things that it needs in the way of repairs and upgrades. All together, I think it's going to need about $1000 worth of parts and labor (I'm doing all the labor), and when I'm done, I will have a 20 year old bike that is in darn good shape. It's a proven engine design, and I know people who have more than 100,000 miles on these bikes, but it's still a 20 year old bike. there will always be something else to fix on it, and some parts are getting to be quite rare, but over all, it's a solid piece of machinery. But I'm lusting for a ZRX. if I take the $1,000 I would spend on fixing the sabre up, plus the $1-1,200 I could sell it for, and put that down on a brandy new ZRX, and finance the remaining, my payments would be in the $100/month neighborhood. I can't decide if it's the right move. v65 pros: It's old school cool. I can spank most anyone off the line. it's shaft drive. very knowledgable support group. v65 Cons: It's old. It's going to wear out and break. it will never handle or brake as well as a new bike ZRX Pros: Old school styling faster handles better OEM and after market support if it breaks, it's under warranty ZRX Cons: 2 grand down and $100 a month chain drive == frequent maintenance 2 grand down and $100 a month (it gets mentioned twice, cause it's a BIG con) if it's finances, I will have to get full coverage insurance. more expen$ive. anything I'm leaving out? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 11:11:21 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:11:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs Skip commits heresy by posting actual moto content: I'm in a bit of a quandry... I've got an 85 V65 Sabre. ... It's a 20 year old bike. ... But I'm lusting for a ZRX. ... v65 pros: It's old school cool. I can spank most anyone off the line. it's shaft drive. very knowledgable support group. v65 Cons: It's old. It's going to wear out and break. it will never handle or brake as well as a new bike ZRX Pros: Old school styling faster handles better OEM and after market support if it breaks, it's under warranty ZRX Cons: 2 grand down and $100 a month chain drive == frequent maintenance 2 grand down and $100 a month (it gets mentioned twice, cause it's a BIG con) if it's finances, I will have to get full coverage insurance. more expen$ive. [Dave] I feel for you 'mano. I have a 15 yo ZX11... albeit with 160+ hp.. :-) I too wrangle over what to do. New tech would be great, but new prices would suck. You might consider a used ZRX. If you wrench on your own, you can easily add some extra punch for relatively low $$$ and save on insurance with a used model. Ultimately, you have to make the decision. I vote: If you're still at the "I'm just not sure what to do" stage, squirrel your money away until you're more decided. Continue needed upkeep on the sabre. If you're past not being sure, and are already leaning toward the new bike, and just want someone on the list to give you that extra push, then putting any money in the Sabre is flushing it down the toilet. Good luck, Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 11:26:41 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:26:33 -0400 >From: Danny Motorcycle >LOL Did I SAY IT WAS HIM? Did I even IMPLY it was him? SHOW ME >where I implied who it was? Ok. > > > >Danny scribbled: > > > > But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very > > > > valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire > > > > so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride > > >>LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it > > > > successfully, more power to you). Cleary, this flimsy riposte is in response to Thomas's post, and as such it would seem to IMPLY that the mention of riding on threads would be directed at him. What value is there to a retort that refers to an individual other than the one the being addressed? I will admit that it is certainly possible that you were referring t me in your post, and that your powers of argument are less than admirable. >I knew I could have said I wanted to change my tire >so my kid wouldnt' ride on threads, but I felt that would have been >over kill, and it was in jest anyway.. besides my son is only 2,so >that would be dumb. Dumb hasn't stopped you yet. >so the reference alone was enough, for those who don't need everything >explained to them. Sorry - I thought it more likely that you made a mistake in particulars, instead of inserting a random, irrelevant, and a contextually unfunny comment. >[. . .] for those of us who don't have a stick stuck in the >muck of our anals, and have a sense of humor. At some point during your feeble attempts to come across as articulate, your grasp has spectacularly exceeded your reach. For example, the word "anal" is an adjective. In the same way that you can't have a "delicious", or a "purple", you can't have an anal. You might spend some more time on the whole noun v. adjective thing before posting again. I'm sure any mistakes in comprehension that involve your posts stem from the writer and not the reader. - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 11:35:05 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:34:56 -0400 Skip, I'd say go with the ZRX. Those things are a hoot to ride, and I think you'll find it to be a much better motorcycle all around. Granted, it will involve coming off with more cash, but think about the time you'd have to invest in bringing the V65 up to snuff - time well spent riding instead! I'm in the same boat you are - I keep thinking about replacing my '93 CBR1000F with a new SV1000. Decisions, decisions . . . - Sean Jordan >From: skip >To: DC Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs >Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:18:56 -0400 > >I'm in a bit of a quandry... > >I've got an 85 V65 Sabre. It's a good bike, and definately has enough >engine to keep me satisfied. my problem is this: > >It's a 20 year old bike. there are obviously some things that it needs >in the way of repairs and upgrades. All together, I think it's going to >need about $1000 worth of parts and labor (I'm doing all the labor), and >when I'm done, I will have a 20 year old bike that is in darn good >shape. It's a proven engine design, and I know people who have more >than 100,000 miles on these bikes, but it's still a 20 year old bike. >there will always be something else to fix on it, and some parts are >getting to be quite rare, but over all, it's a solid piece of machinery. > >But I'm lusting for a ZRX. > >if I take the $1,000 I would spend on fixing the sabre up, plus the >$1-1,200 I could sell it for, and put that down on a brandy new ZRX, and >finance the remaining, my payments would be in the $100/month >neighborhood. > >I can't decide if it's the right move. > >v65 pros: >It's old school cool. >I can spank most anyone off the line. >it's shaft drive. >very knowledgable support group. > >v65 Cons: >It's old. >It's going to wear out and break. >it will never handle or brake as well as a new bike > >ZRX Pros: >Old school styling >faster >handles better >OEM and after market support >if it breaks, it's under warranty > >ZRX Cons: >2 grand down and $100 a month >chain drive == frequent maintenance >2 grand down and $100 a month (it gets mentioned twice, cause it's a BIG >con) >if it's finances, I will have to get full coverage insurance. more >expen$ive. > > >anything I'm leaving out? > >--skip > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 14:12:59 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:12:50 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 8/19/05, Sean Jordan wrote: > >From: Danny Motorcycle > >LOL Did I SAY IT WAS HIM? Did I even IMPLY it was him? SHOW ME > >where I implied who it was? > > Ok. Ah you concede, I win! > > > > >Danny scribbled: > > > > > But I thank you for your judgement and disdain. It is so very > > > > > valuable. You see, I'd like to get this jack and change my rear tire > > > > > so I don't have to ride around on treads before a long spirited ride > > > >>LOL ( I actually have no disdain for that, I say if you can do it > > > > > successfully, more power to you). > > Cleary, this flimsy riposte is in response to Thomas's post, and as such it > would seem to IMPLY that the mention of riding on threads would be directed > at him. What value is there to a retort that refers to an individual other > than the one the being addressed? I will admit that it is certainly possible > that you were referring t me in your post, and that your powers of argument > are less than admirable. My response was merely banter. I was refering to "ha your son rides on threads that reflects on you!" thread, as a joke.. I was NOT trying to reuse that arguement, why would I, it was already dismissed the first time. Derrr.. > >I knew I could have said I wanted to change my tire > >so my kid wouldnt' ride on threads, but I felt that would have been > >over kill, and it was in jest anyway.. besides my son is only 2,so > >that would be dumb. > > Dumb hasn't stopped you yet. I figured if being dumb can take you through a spirited ride, then I should have a go at it too! > >so the reference alone was enough, for those who don't need everything > >explained to them. > > Sorry - I thought it more likely that you made a mistake in particulars, > instead of inserting a random, irrelevant, and a contextually unfunny > comment. ah again you concede! My ego glows! > >[. . .] for those of us who don't have a stick stuck in the > >muck of our anals, and have a sense of humor. > > At some point during your feeble attempts to come across as articulate, your > grasp has spectacularly exceeded your reach. For example, the word "anal" is THANK YOU!!!! That is such a compliment!!!!!! Not only did my grasp meet what I was reaching for, but it exceeded that spectacularly!! I gotta tell you man, at first I thought you chime in unneccesarily, redundantly stating the obvious, but now I see, you really do care and recognize greatness!!! I can't tell you how releived I am.. at first I thought you were going to say my grasp, humiliatingly failed to meet my reach! Oh God would that have been embarassing! whew! And you are an articulate word master, so I know you meant what you said! you're alright buuuudy! > an adjective. In the same way that you can't have a "delicious", or a > "purple", you can't have an anal. Don't tell me what I can't have! as a matter of fact you said so, my grasp exceeds my reach! be consistent will you! Surely we can stretch a word in the name of humor and good will. If you had the annals of a penal instatution, would that be a noun or adjective since your the expert on anal annals. >You might spend some more time on the > whole noun v. adjective thing before posting again. You are such a word masterbator.. I mean master word debater. How much time do you recommend? How much time do you spend? Maybe you could look up reach, grasp, exceed for me. As a matter of fact look up spectacular too, then explain to me how a reach and grasp are spectacular in any manner.. and how a grasp exceeds a reach.. > I'm sure any mistakes in comprehension that involve your posts stem from the > writer and not the reader. Are you really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really sure? Really? Have you ever been sure before and been wrong when you were sure? Sure you were! > - Sean Jordan Thanks tom.. it's been fun. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 14:26:56 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:26:43 -0400 From: "John M. Stafford" To: dc-cycles Mailing List Subject: [dc-cycles] Scooter Delivery Virginia to New England & back (point between) I'm driving up from Arlington, VA to pick up a bike near Springfield Mass this weekend (8/20). I have two spaces northbound and one space southbound for anyone that needs a scooter or motorcycle delivered. My delivery rates are reasonable please contact me for quote. Email ScooterTransportATcomcastDOTnet or call me 866-477-2259 if you need transport help. I may consider pulling a trailer to Deliverance (if you need further south delivery, Atlanta 9-16). I will be riding to PVSC (Pittsburgh 9-30) and flying to Down'n'Dirty (New Orleans 10-28). So no deliveries there. Enjoy, John M. Stafford From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 14:26:59 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:26:49 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Danny, you really have no clue. After all the other nonsensical bullshit, you ended with: > Thanks tom.. it's been fun. And you were writing to Sean. Do you really have any idea what you're saying, and/or who you are saying it to? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 14:43:54 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:43:46 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL Mr Jordan, If you noticed, I said thanks Tom RIGHT BY his name which you deleted out of your quotation. It was a joke which could be interpreted 2 ways. I knew EXACTLY whom I was talking to.. on one hand the joke was "thanks tom" to make it appear I was that stupid, or being sarcastic.. on the other hand the joke could have been partial, had you said "for what".. I could finish with "for making Sean". This is more what it looked like: >Have you ever been sure before and been wrong when you were sure? > Sure you were! < >> - Sean Jordan > >Thanks tom.. it's been fun. Now since i'm still alive and obviously at least not dumb as darwin winners (yet), you can safely assume I was just being a smart alec. Do you think you can get michael jordan to sign my socks? :) I'm just joking around... don't mind me! - Danny On 8/19/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Danny, you really have no clue. After all the other nonsensical > bullshit, you ended with: > > > Thanks tom.. it's been fun. > > And you were writing to Sean. Do you really have any idea what you're > saying, and/or who you are saying it to? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 16:38:56 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:38:46 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] motorcycle jacks revisited Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 8/19/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: I could finish with "for making Sean". What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to imply that I fucked my mother, thereby creating an older brother? I'm really curious here.. How does this work? And about signing your socks... I never said anything about getting you a signature. However, my father, Michael Jordan, is on the list. You'll have to ask him about that one... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 17:55:16 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:55:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: skip CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs skip wrote: >ZRX Cons: >2 grand down and $100 a month >chain drive == frequent maintenance >2 grand down and $100 a month (it gets mentioned twice, cause it's a BIG >con) >if it's finances, I will have to get full coverage insurance. more >expen$ive. > > >anything I'm leaving out? > >--skip > > If it were me, I'd mention the chain drive a couple more times... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 19 19:50:46 2005 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:50:33 -0400 From: "John M. Stafford" To: DC-MD-PA-VA Scooters Mailing List , 2-Stroke Smoke Mailing List <2StrokeSmoke@XXXXXX>, New York Scooters Mailing List , New England Scooters Mailing List , , Hostile City Mailing List , 3 Mile Island Scooter Club Mailing List <3MileIslandScooterClub@XXXXXX>, Saints SC Mailing List , Big Bacon Breakfast Scooter Club Mailing List CC: DCSC Mailing List , dc-cycles Mailing List Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Scooter Delivery Virginia to New England & back (point between) Okay I have confirmed 2 bikes coming back from New England, but I still have space northbound. Enjoy, John M. Stafford ---------- From: John M. Stafford > I'm driving up from Arlington, VA to pick up a bike near Springfield Mass this > weekend (8/20). I have two spaces northbound and one space southbound for > anyone that needs a scooter or motorcycle delivered. > > My delivery rates are reasonable please contact me for quote. > > Email ScooterTransportATcomcastDOTnet or call me 866-477-2259 if you need > transport help. > > I may consider pulling a trailer to Deliverance (if you need further south > delivery, Atlanta 9-16). I will be riding to PVSC (Pittsburgh 9-30) and flying > to Down'n'Dirty (New Orleans 10-28). So no deliveries there. > > Enjoy, > John M. Stafford From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 20 09:31:35 2005 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:30:43 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs Cc: skip , DC Cycles Here's my take.. if you can't pay all cash for a bike, don't buy it. Save your cash up and buy that used model like Dave was saying. Also $1000 is too much to put into a bike that's only worth $1600-2000. If it were me, I'd just keep looking for a second v65 (parts) bike, and make 2 bikes out of one. You could probably sell off the excess parts/bike and come out a whole lot better. So I'd either abandon the project and sell the bike, or find the parts cheaper than $1000 Here's one in ohio 300 miles away, says he'll deliver it 100 miles.. that makes it 200 miles away. Reserve is met at $1200+. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-HONDA-V65-SABRE-1985-Honda-Honda-V65-Sabre-VF1100S_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6708QQitemZ4569191285QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW Then buy that used zrx when it can be paid all cash. ( I dont' like paying extra for things or putting myself in debt). Like I want an 05 gsxr 1000, but i'm not going to pay that new bike cost. My used 03 model that I got for $5000 (nada is like 7300) will hold me just fine. If I didn't have a bike, I'd buy something that was currently within my cash range, and a GOOD price for that model, even if it were a 600 cc bike. WOT makes good fun :) (of course a 600 cc sportbike will do like 150 mph anyway, which is plenty, but i understand that's my style of bike that I prefer) I don't believe in paying retail for bikes or bike parts. I buy investment bikes, and used parts.. there are too many bikes being sold cheaply out there. Pleanty of people are getting rid of their bikes for plenty of reasons. Hope these ideas help. - Danny On 8/19/05, Dale Horstman wrote: > skip wrote: > > >ZRX Cons: > >2 grand down and $100 a month > >chain drive == frequent maintenance > >2 grand down and $100 a month (it gets mentioned twice, cause it's a BIG > >con) > >if it's finances, I will have to get full coverage insurance. more > >expen$ive. > > > > > >anything I'm leaving out? > > > >--skip > > > > > > > If it were me, I'd mention the chain drive a couple more times... :) > > Horkster > > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 20 09:49:36 2005 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:48:49 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs > If it were me, I'd mention the chain drive a couple more times... :) > > Horkster Ya know - I have the same attitude about my VStrom. OTOH, the stock chain lasted 16K miles with almost total neglect. $200 in parts (OEM sprockets and a DID chain) and a half hour of my time and I'm ready for another 16-20K miles. Then again, total maintenance time on the final drive of my GSX1100G has been about 15 minutes (not counting oil drain time) over the past 75K miles... -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 20 16:01:23 2005 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:01:19 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lane Splitting I have to agree - when I was helping save the Maryland motorcycle safety program some years ago, it was ABATE'rs who really hung in there. They had the drive and desire to keep pushing, and they were instrumental in helping save the program. Yes, I disagree about some of their stances, but they cared more than most of the people I regularly rode with. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gary Keim" Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:18:39 -0400 >AMA won't get the Lane Splitting Laws changed without the help of the >Neanderthals at ABATE. If enough of you would put your money where your >mouth is and join ABATE you might find out what a State Motorcycle Rights >Organization does. >It's not all about helmets. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 22 13:02:56 2005 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Help Needed for Injured Motorcyclist I'm posting this on behalf of a co-worker whose friend was seriously injured in a motorcycle accident several weeks ago. The injured rider is Jeff Fisher and following his accident, he was given a lot of blood from the Washington Hospital Center's blood bank. As he recovers, the bills are starting to come in. One way to defray the hospital costs is by having people donate blood to the Washington Hospital Center on behalf of Jeff. You do not need to be any particular blood type to donate but you must do it at Washington Hospital Center and you must mention Jeff Fisher. If you do, then the cost of the blood you've donated will be credited to Jeff's account. Please forward this to anyone you know who may want to help out! Regards, Patti --------- Perhaps you could help me. I don't know if all these people on the list are motorcyclist but perhaps the motorcyclist here would be willing to help another one out. I have a friend in the hospital at Washington Hospital Center. It's 2.7 miles away from our building. He was in a very bad accident. He actually died twice but is doing better now. He is paralyzed from his stomach down. They gave him lots of blood during in initial time there. He doesn't even remember the first 30 days in the hospital. What he needs is people to donate blood on his behalf. In doing so the price is taken off his hospital bill. If you know people that work here that would be willing to go over there and donate that would be awesome. His name is Jeff Fisher and you just have to ask them to apply the donation to his account. If you think the motorcyclists here would be willing to help could we send them this info? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 23 12:56:56 2005 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:56:44 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Grand Rapids M/C incident http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3750771&nav=0RcdddQr Scary. I'm headed up there this weekend. (In a cage.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 23 13:06:00 2005 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:04:51 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Grand Rapids M/C incident Them bikers are just riding so darn FAST. Of course not these bikers, they were doing the speed limit. Give a citizen a radar gun when they complain about speeders, and they quickly realize how fast 35 is when you are standing still. Aaron Maurer wrote: >http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3750771&nav=0RcdddQr > >Scary. I'm headed up there this weekend. (In a cage.) > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 23 13:10:19 2005 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:10:10 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Grand Rapids M/C incident Cc: DC Cycles Darwin nominee. Too bad the rider got hurt. What the devil was she doign with that pitchfork On 8/23/05, Aaron Maurer wrote: > http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3750771&nav=0RcdddQr > > Scary. I'm headed up there this weekend. (In a cage.) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 23 13:14:02 2005 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:13:58 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Grand Rapids M/C incident > http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3750771&nav=0RcdddQr > > Scary. I'm headed up there this weekend. (In a cage.) Well, she's out of play for a while. Sounds like a good candidate for a Darwin Award Runner Up. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 23 14:20:32 2005 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Grand Rapids M/C incident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Although the lady was clearly wrong I can understand her frustration. I live on a posted 25 MPH road where people routinely are doing double the limit. How do I know? I live next to a slight curve that daily I hear people slide their tires through the turn in cages. This would not be happening even at 40 MPH. When I cut the grass near the road, its always a fun experience... Glenn --- Mike Troutman wrote: > Give a citizen a radar gun when they complain about > speeders, and they > quickly realize how fast 35 is when you are standing > still. > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 23 14:40:37 2005 X-RocketYMMF: hyppywayfarer Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Brady To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Rattle the Runway 2005? Has anyone heard if the "Rattle the Runway Ride" is happening this year? There is a web site http://rattletherunwayride.com referring to it, but appears to not have been updated in a little while. ******************************* We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. - C.S. Lewis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 23 14:45:56 2005 X-Sasl-Enc: A6Q+DUQOp7uM22Jr2DjLR7N+HRtWYDzx4XZhbAvW0kKq 1124822745 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rattle the Runway 2005? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:45:45 -0400 On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:40:31 -0700 (PDT), "Sean Brady" said: > Has anyone heard if the "Rattle the Runway Ride" is > happening this year? There is a web site > http://rattletherunwayride.com referring to it, but > appears to not have been updated in a little while. A friend of mine said his Fairfax HOG group was doing it this year, so I guess there is something going on. It's in the HOG calendar for 9 am. Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan Fairfax, VA The Tribe MC, Vice President 1998 Kawasaki Concours (called GTR1000 outside the USA) Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 24 11:46:49 2005 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:46:33 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rattle the Runway 2005? I went last year and had a good time. Overall the ride is short; it consists of staging on a taxiway, a ride down the runway, a uturn, back up a taxiway parallell to the runway. The end is back out on 28 with a police escorted lap throught the terminal. -Norris On 8/23/05, Sean Brady wrote: > Has anyone heard if the "Rattle the Runway Ride" is > happening this year? There is a web site > http://rattletherunwayride.com referring to it, but > appears to not have been updated in a little while. > > > > ******************************* > We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. > - C.S. Lewis > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 25 10:58:34 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:58:24 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Glueing vent to helmet One of the vents came off on my helmet. I got a new vent and need to glue it to the helmet. Any suggestions on what to use? Where to buy it? Thanks, Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 25 11:39:03 2005 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:38:41 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Glueing vent to helmet My suggestion is to go to a good hobby shop (such as Hobby Hangar in Chantilly) and look at the glue/epoxy selection there. They have adhesives for just about every plastic/fiberglass/whatever... On 8/25/05, rich hall wrote: > One of the vents came off on my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 25 22:20:05 2005 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:19:54 -0400 From: Radio Waves To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Glueing vent to helmet Cc: DCCycles On 8/25/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > My suggestion is to go to a good hobby shop (such as Hobby Hangar in > Chantilly) and look at the glue/epoxy selection there. They have > adhesives for just about every plastic/fiberglass/whatever... I second the motion, with the caveat that you should make sure to avoid solvent-based glues. Epoxy is probably the best idea. If you're not used to using good quality epoxy (like the stuff you get in two tubes at most hobby shops), it's a good idea to do a test run or two. It's critical to get the measurements and mixing done right, or it won't cure. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 26 07:42:57 2005 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:42:45 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: [dc-cycles] Aaahhhhhhh Heated handgrips.... like a warm cup of coffee http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Rider/heated_grip_kit1.htm Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 26 09:22:03 2005 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:21:59 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aaahhhhhhh > Heated handgrips.... like a warm cup of coffee Heated grips on a rented BMW saved my life in early June of '04. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 26 09:30:47 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Aaahhhhhhh Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:32:17 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC-CYCLES" How difficult is it to mount on a modern sportbike like a CBR600? How about for someone who's license to operate a screwdriver has been revoked? Is the optional switch worth the money? I always think these things aren't worth the hassle around August but come December they suddenly don't look that bad :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "This message has been digitized for use on modern computers." Heated handgrips.... like a warm cup of coffee http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Rider/heated_grip_kit1.htm Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 26 10:45:57 2005 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Aaahhhhhhh To: DC Cycles I've got that setup on my Bandit, amd I love them. Now that I've gotten spoiled, I'm not sure I'll ever have a bike that I don't make that mod to. The hi-low switch probably works fine, but I went with the adjustable switch, and really like being able to set it for the optimal temp. Setup was fairly easy, but I'd also already run a 4-circuit aux. fuseblock setup that was switched with the bike's power. I mounted the switch in the fairing under my left grip. It should be someplace that you can reach it easily while on the move. I've also seen where folks mounted small plastic job-boxes (from radio shack) on nekkid bikes. Brian http://ar-traveler.blogspot.com/ --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > How difficult is it to mount on a modern sportbike > like a CBR600? How > about for someone who's license to operate a > screwdriver has been > revoked? Is the optional switch worth the money? I > always think these > things aren't worth the hassle around August but > come December they > suddenly don't look that bad :) > > Cedric Bernescut > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > > "This message has been digitized for use on modern > computers." > > > > Heated handgrips.... like a warm cup of coffee > > http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Rider/heated_grip_kit1.htm > > Tom de > '03 ST1300 > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 26 10:48:10 2005 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:48:08 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Cedric Bernescut Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aaahhhhhhh Cc: DC-CYCLES > How difficult is it to mount on a modern sportbike like a CBR600? Not very > How about for someone who's license to operate a screwdriver has been > revoked? Hmmm.... > Is the optional switch worth the money? Go for the Heat Troller instead - much better control. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 26 11:35:22 2005 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:35:14 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Cedric Bernescut Cc: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Aaahhhhhhh Cedric Bernescut wrote: >How difficult is it to mount on a modern sportbike like a CBR600? How >about for someone who's license to operate a screwdriver has been >revoked? > Very, especially for a bike with less body work. >Is the optional switch worth the money? > Yes, the "high" setting can be too high even on 35 deg days. > I always think these >things aren't worth the hassle around August but come December they >suddenly don't look that bad :) > > This morning it was 58degs, the low setting is nice, refreshing. In the winter, oh man, 25degs and the hands/arms stay warm. It's probably psychological, or maybe the more parts you keep warm the better for you overall. Every bike I get from now on will have them. > > A tip about install. Use a air compressor to get the grips on and off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 27 17:07:04 2005 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs To: skip , DC Cycles IF you finance less than $10k through Kawasaki, you don't need to carry full coverage. Kaw seems to be the exception to the "rule" and Progressive didn't want to believe me when I told them, but its true. Bike is still insured against theft. Saves me about $1500 a year not carrying collision. A few years of that and you've saved as much as the bike is worth. That's like getting a FREE bike ;) . Good luck on the decision. - Jimmy --- skip wrote: > ZRX Cons: > 2 grand down and $100 a month > chain drive == frequent maintenance > 2 grand down and $100 a month (it gets mentioned twice, cause it's > a BIG > con) > if it's finances, I will have to get full coverage insurance. > more > expen$ive. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 27 18:54:16 2005 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:54:12 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs > Saves me about $1500 a year > not carrying collision. OUCH! What are you insuring? I pay Progressive a bit over $500/year for three bikes (see below) for full coverage (including collision). -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 27 21:38:38 2005 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:38:27 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I pay about $800 a year for an 03 gsxr 1000. I think it might have been possibly $100 at most cheaper, but I got a failure to complete stop at stop sign ticket a couple of years ago. interesting post though. Over the past 5 years, I find that I don't need collision, but it's so cheap I get it anyway. I guess I'll screw up sooner or later LOL.. I woudln't even buy a bike if the insurance per year cost was 50% of the bike cost. On 8/27/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Saves me about $1500 a year > > not carrying collision. > > OUCH! What are you insuring? I pay Progressive a bit over $500/year > for three bikes (see below) for full coverage (including collision). > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 27 21:41:26 2005 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:41:15 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] for sale/auction 2002 gsxr 1000 $6700 For sale $6700 cash... buy it now pice.. or whatever the market will bear over $5900 by saturday. kbb. Bluebooks is about $6930. anyone in the market feel free to check out the details of the bike, and email me if interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4571811861&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 29 09:33:23 2005 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:33:14 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto Content Bike magazine's September cover story is "The 50 Greatest Cornering Bikes Ever". Using some pseudo-scientific variable definitions, the authors attempted to quantify cornering potential: - lean angle potential (Lap) - flickability (F) - midcorner speed (MCS) - exit drive (ED) - exceeding expectations (EE) - risk of hospital food(RHF) - involvement (I) - overall rating (OR) (LAP + F + MCS + ED+ EE divided by RHF) X I = OR Drumroll please: The winner is the Buell XB12R Firebolt 2nd - Aprilia RS125 3rd - Triumph Daytona 650 4th - 1956 BSA Gold Star 5th - BKW R1200GS 6th - Suzuki GSX-R600 K5 7th - 1975 Ducati 900SS 8th - Buell XB12S Lightning 9th - Aprilia Pegaso Strads 10th - Husaberg Supermoto 650 E My beloved R6 came 36th. :( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 29 10:01:11 2005 From: rjmoran@XXXXXX To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Content Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:01:03 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cmptb3JhbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Bike magazine's September cover story is "The 50 Greatest Cornering > Bikes Ever". Using some pseudo-scientific variable definitions, the > authors attempted to quantify cornering potential: > - lean angle potential (Lap) > - flickability (F) > - midcorner speed (MCS) > - exit drive (ED) > - exceeding expectations (EE) > - risk of hospital food(RHF) > - involvement (I) > > - overall rating (OR) > > (LAP + F + MCS + ED+ EE divided by RHF) X I = OR > > > > Drumroll please: > > > The winner is the Buell XB12R Firebolt > 2nd - Aprilia RS125 > 3rd - Triumph Daytona 650 > 4th - 1956 BSA Gold Star > 5th - BKW R1200GS > 6th - Suzuki GSX-R600 K5 > 7th - 1975 Ducati 900SS > 8th - Buell XB12S Lightning > 9th - Aprilia Pegaso Strads > 10th - Husaberg Supermoto 650 E > > My beloved R6 came 36th. :( Coincidentally, I've ridden the supposed winner fairly extensively, as well as a 2002 R6 (just last night) and the real winner, an '88 FZR400. There is no way a Buell XB12R Firebolt should be at the top of that list. Please... My truck-like RC51 corners better than the Buell. The top of the list should actually be something like a Yamaha TZ250 or, if we're only talking about street legal bikes, the FZR400. The R6 would be in the top five. Sheesh! RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 29 18:14:35 2005 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Content To: rjmoran@XXXXXX, DC Cycles --- rjmoran@XXXXXX wrote: > > The winner is the Buell XB12R Firebolt > > 2nd - Aprilia RS125 > > 3rd - Triumph Daytona 650 > > 4th - 1956 BSA Gold Star > > 5th - BKW R1200GS > > 6th - Suzuki GSX-R600 K5 > > 7th - 1975 Ducati 900SS > > 8th - Buell XB12S Lightning > > 9th - Aprilia Pegaso Strads > > 10th - Husaberg Supermoto 650 E > > > > My beloved R6 came 36th. :( > > Coincidentally, I've ridden the supposed winner fairly extensively, as well as > a 2002 R6 (just last night) and the real winner, an '88 FZR400... Well, I crammed my 6'3" onto the second place RS125 screamer for a day year before last in the UK, and I can say that it certainly handles better than any two-wheeler I've ever ridden. Not having seen the article, though, it's hard to imagine how they balance "exit drive" versus displacement. And the Aprilia Pegaso is certainly not in the same league (and how can the R1200GS be?) unless you're evaluating on other than smooth pavement. -- Larry ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 29 21:36:43 2005 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:36:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/29/05 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:33:14 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto Content > The winner is the Buell XB12R Firebolt > 2nd - Aprilia RS125 > 3rd - Triumph Daytona 650 [JK] There was no Daytona 650. The Daytona was a 500cc twin-carb machine (at least the Meriden unit twin was). The twin 650 was called a Bonneville (see Brando's "Wild Bunch") and the single carbed parallel twin was a Tiger (my first Trump) - both of which got punched out to 750 in the early 1970s. John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 29 21:56:33 2005 From: "Travis" To: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:56:47 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: ffaa36cdf5662c91f2b4904e00fba43a239a348a220c260900347457cd89e4d73921561be8ba76e5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/29/05 > [JK] There was no Daytona 650. The Daytona was a 500cc twin-carb > machine (at least the Meriden unit twin was). The twin 650 was called a > Bonneville (see Brando's "Wild Bunch") and the single carbed parallel > twin was a Tiger (my first Trump) - both of which got punched out to > 750 in the early 1970s. > > John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS What do you call this? http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/787.aspx Travis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 30 00:26:54 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/29/05 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:26:43 -0400 >From: John Kozyn >[JK] There was no Daytona 650. \ Triumph would seem to think otherwise - someone should tell them! http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/787.aspx :) - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 30 00:34:30 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:34:22 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Suzuki Big Kahuna Nationals @ Virginia International Raceway Here are a few of the MANY photos I shot this past weekend at the AMA event at VIR. This was my first weekend photographing an AMA roadracing event with full-on media credentials - what a blast!!! http://michaelj.smugmug.com/gallery/769824 On a related note, if anyone ever needs any event photography, contact me offlist. You can also visit www.jordanmotorsports.com Enjoy the photos! Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 30 07:39:35 2005 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:39:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/29/05 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Give the old fart a break. He was looking back to his "early years". ;-) Glenn --- Travis wrote: > > > [JK] There was no Daytona 650. The Daytona was a > 500cc twin-carb > > machine (at least the Meriden unit twin was). The > twin 650 was called a > > Bonneville (see Brando's "Wild Bunch") and the > single carbed parallel > > twin was a Tiger (my first Trump) - both of which > got punched out to > > 750 in the early 1970s. > > > > John C. Kozyn > 1999 900SS > > > What do you call this? > http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/787.aspx > Travis > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 30 13:53:22 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Content Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:53:09 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , , "DC Cycles" You really need to look at the whole article. They tried to include all categories of bikes -now there was no scientific metric for rating things like involvement..etc.. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] To: rjmoran@XXXXXX; DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Content --- rjmoran@XXXXXX wrote: > > The winner is the Buell XB12R Firebolt 2nd - Aprilia RS125 3rd - > > Triumph Daytona 650 4th - 1956 BSA Gold Star 5th - BKW R1200GS 6th - > > Suzuki GSX-R600 K5 7th - 1975 Ducati 900SS 8th - Buell XB12S > > Lightning 9th - Aprilia Pegaso Strads 10th - Husaberg Supermoto 650 > > E > > > > My beloved R6 came 36th. :( > > Coincidentally, I've ridden the supposed winner fairly extensively, as > well as a 2002 R6 (just last night) and the real winner, an '88 FZR400... Well, I crammed my 6'3" onto the second place RS125 screamer for a day year before last in the UK, and I can say that it certainly handles better than any two-wheeler I've ever ridden. Not having seen the article, though, it's hard to imagine how they balance "exit drive" versus displacement. And the Aprilia Pegaso is certainly not in the same league (and how can the R1200GS be?) unless you're evaluating on other than smooth pavement. -- Larry ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 30 16:09:25 2005 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:09:19 -0400 From: skip To: maggot , SOAR , DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] poker run there's a poker run on the 4th of september at Jimmy's Old Town Tavern in Herndon, VA, and afterwards there is a pigroast and live music including yours truly (for all of 15 minutes) --skip http://www.conradclan.com/jimmystavern/temp_pages/pokerrun/images/poker05.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 30 18:26:26 2005 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:26:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Donating a bike? Does anyone have recommendations for donating a bike? I have a quasi-running 1992 Yamaha Seca II that needs the front brakes replaced (master cylinder, brake hose, caliper, pads, etc.) so it'd likely need to be trailered out. If anyone's interested in it, email me offline... -Sean Wash, DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 30 19:10:49 2005 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Triumph Daytona 650 Thanks to Travis, Sean et al for correcting me re the Daytona 650's existence - and to Glenn for explaining my old self ;) - lol Nice looking sportie that 650 is! JK John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 30 23:56:20 2005 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:56:10 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: John Kozyn Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Triumph Daytona 650 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I heard of a newbie low sidign hers, or parking lot drop type of mishap, something typical.. and it bent like the crankshaft or something. She wanted to be different.. now she has a lot of downtime. Hope they aren't all built so fragile. On 8/30/05, John Kozyn wrote: > Thanks to Travis, Sean et al for correcting me re the Daytona 650's > existence - and to Glenn for explaining my old self ;) - lol > > Nice looking sportie that 650 is! > > JK > > > > > John C. Kozyn > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 31 09:08:54 2005 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:08:43 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Questions: Where is the bus lane on Wisconsin Ave -- far right, I presume? Was the truck using its turn signals? Did the m/c try to pass on the right? Did the truck pull out in front of the m/c causing the m/cist to swerve? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/30/AR2005083000729.html Motorcyclist Dies in NW Accident Rider Collides With Dump Truck, Closing Wisconsin Ave. By Del Quentin Wilber Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 31, 2005; Page B01 A motorcyclist was killed when his vehicle collided with a dump truck on a busy commuter route in Northwest Washington yesterday, and authorities were forced to close the street during morning rush hour, police said. The accident occurred about 7 a.m. at the entrance to a construction site at Sidwell Friends School in the 3800 block of Wisconsin Avenue NW, police said. The 28-year-old motorcyclist was run over by the truck and pinned beneath it until firefighters were able to extract him. The man, a Maryland resident, was pronounced dead at the scene. Police declined to identify him pending notification of his relatives. No charges have been filed, police said. They identified the driver of the truck as James J. Rouse, 57, of Northeast Washington, who works for Harris Contract Hauling of Capitol Heights. Police said the dump truck was in the far right lane traveling northbound on Wisconsin when it pulled into the middle lane to make a right turn into the construction site. The motorcycle driver, who was heading north in the middle lane, swerved, lost control and slid underneath the truck, police said. The dump truck might have been stopped in the far right lane waiting for other construction traffic to move before it made the turn into the site, police said. Police shut down traffic on a stretch of Wisconsin for almost four hours as they investigated the crash and cleared debris. The shutdown forced cars onto side streets, clogging those roads throughout the morning. Sidwell is building a parking structure, renovating its middle school and expanding athletic fields. Stanley Manvell, vice president of safety for James G. Davis Construction Corp., the lead contractor on the Sidwell project, said that construction officials do not believe Rouse did anything wrong. He said that the motorcyclist was trying to pass the truck in the bus lane when the vehicles collided. Rouse "is really broken up about it," Manvell said, adding that the truck driver was hospitalized after the crash because paramedics were concerned about a high blood pressure reading. Harris Contract Hauling could not be found in phone books or company directories or on the Internet. The company apparently was working as a subcontractor for the excavation firm Goldin & Stafford, Manvell said. Ralph Goldin, the excavation company's president and owner, declined to comment. Ellis Turner, an associate headmaster at Sidwell, said he had no further details on the accident. He said the motorcyclist was not a student or school employee. "We do offer our heartfelt condolences to the family of the motorcyclist," Turner said. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 31 10:10:28 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:10:12 -0400 Anyone know who the Mc driver was? Sad news for sure. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Questions: Where is the bus lane on Wisconsin Ave -- far right, I presume? Was the truck using its turn signals? Did the m/c try to pass on the right? Did the truck pull out in front of the m/c causing the m/cist to swerve? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/30/AR2005083000 729.html Motorcyclist Dies in NW Accident Rider Collides With Dump Truck, Closing Wisconsin Ave. By Del Quentin Wilber Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 31, 2005; Page B01 A motorcyclist was killed when his vehicle collided with a dump truck on a busy commuter route in Northwest Washington yesterday, and authorities were forced to close the street during morning rush hour, police said. The accident occurred about 7 a.m. at the entrance to a construction site at Sidwell Friends School in the 3800 block of Wisconsin Avenue NW, police said. The 28-year-old motorcyclist was run over by the truck and pinned beneath it until firefighters were able to extract him. The man, a Maryland resident, was pronounced dead at the scene. Police declined to identify him pending notification of his relatives. No charges have been filed, police said. They identified the driver of the truck as James J. Rouse, 57, of Northeast Washington, who works for Harris Contract Hauling of Capitol Heights. Police said the dump truck was in the far right lane traveling northbound on Wisconsin when it pulled into the middle lane to make a right turn into the construction site. The motorcycle driver, who was heading north in the middle lane, swerved, lost control and slid underneath the truck, police said. The dump truck might have been stopped in the far right lane waiting for other construction traffic to move before it made the turn into the site, police said. Police shut down traffic on a stretch of Wisconsin for almost four hours as they investigated the crash and cleared debris. The shutdown forced cars onto side streets, clogging those roads throughout the morning. Sidwell is building a parking structure, renovating its middle school and expanding athletic fields. Stanley Manvell, vice president of safety for James G. Davis Construction Corp., the lead contractor on the Sidwell project, said that construction officials do not believe Rouse did anything wrong. He said that the motorcyclist was trying to pass the truck in the bus lane when the vehicles collided. Rouse "is really broken up about it," Manvell said, adding that the truck driver was hospitalized after the crash because paramedics were concerned about a high blood pressure reading. Harris Contract Hauling could not be found in phone books or company directories or on the Internet. The company apparently was working as a subcontractor for the excavation firm Goldin & Stafford, Manvell said. Ralph Goldin, the excavation company's president and owner, declined to comment. Ellis Turner, an associate headmaster at Sidwell, said he had no further details on the accident. He said the motorcyclist was not a student or school employee. "We do offer our heartfelt condolences to the family of the motorcyclist," Turner said. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 31 10:25:12 2005 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:24:55 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Well, if I'm reading this correctly, the truck was in the far Right lane (typically bus lane) and the motorcyclist was in the Middle lane. The truck basically pulled a wide right hand turn into the construction site by swerving into the middle lane. Like most drivers in this city, he probably didn't bother to check his mirros or turn his head to the left to see if anyone was there and just proceeded to make his turn. Also, since this was in front of a construction site, I'm betting there was gravel and other debris in the roadyway that caused the motorcyclist to lose control and slide if the swerve was hard enough. My condolences go out to the family as well. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Questions: Where is the bus lane on Wisconsin Ave -- far right, I presume? Was the truck using its turn signals? Did the m/c try to pass on the right? Did the truck pull out in front of the m/c causing the m/cist to swerve? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/30/AR2005083 000729.html Motorcyclist Dies in NW Accident Rider Collides With Dump Truck, Closing Wisconsin Ave. By Del Quentin Wilber Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 31, 2005; Page B01 A motorcyclist was killed when his vehicle collided with a dump truck on a busy commuter route in Northwest Washington yesterday, and authorities were forced to close the street during morning rush hour, police said. The accident occurred about 7 a.m. at the entrance to a construction site at Sidwell Friends School in the 3800 block of Wisconsin Avenue NW, police said. The 28-year-old motorcyclist was run over by the truck and pinned beneath it until firefighters were able to extract him. The man, a Maryland resident, was pronounced dead at the scene. Police declined to identify him pending notification of his relatives. No charges have been filed, police said. They identified the driver of the truck as James J. Rouse, 57, of Northeast Washington, who works for Harris Contract Hauling of Capitol Heights. Police said the dump truck was in the far right lane traveling northbound on Wisconsin when it pulled into the middle lane to make a right turn into the construction site. The motorcycle driver, who was heading north in the middle lane, swerved, lost control and slid underneath the truck, police said. The dump truck might have been stopped in the far right lane waiting for other construction traffic to move before it made the turn into the site, police said. Police shut down traffic on a stretch of Wisconsin for almost four hours as they investigated the crash and cleared debris. The shutdown forced cars onto side streets, clogging those roads throughout the morning. Sidwell is building a parking structure, renovating its middle school and expanding athletic fields. Stanley Manvell, vice president of safety for James G. Davis Construction Corp., the lead contractor on the Sidwell project, said that construction officials do not believe Rouse did anything wrong. He said that the motorcyclist was trying to pass the truck in the bus lane when the vehicles collided. Rouse "is really broken up about it," Manvell said, adding that the truck driver was hospitalized after the crash because paramedics were concerned about a high blood pressure reading. Harris Contract Hauling could not be found in phone books or company directories or on the Internet. The company apparently was working as a subcontractor for the excavation firm Goldin & Stafford, Manvell said. Ralph Goldin, the excavation company's president and owner, declined to comment. Ellis Turner, an associate headmaster at Sidwell, said he had no further details on the accident. He said the motorcyclist was not a student or school employee. "We do offer our heartfelt condolences to the family of the motorcyclist," Turner said. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 31 11:31:14 2005 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:31:07 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post On 8/31/05, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, if I'm reading this correctly, the truck was in the far Right > lane (typically bus lane) and the motorcyclist was in the Middle lane. > The truck basically pulled a wide right hand turn into the construction > site by swerving into the middle lane. Like most drivers in this city, > he probably didn't bother..... To consider anyone but himself....so, the short version of this story is that another DC area Road Royal kills someone. And, once again, the familiar refrain - "no charges have been filed." Speeding truck hits and kills bicyclist, So. Capitol St. "no charges filed" Inattentive motorist hits and kills reserve police officer directing traffic - Wisconsin and M, "no charges filed." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 31 17:17:47 2005 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] VA Wind musing on waving... When and how to wave: http://www.virginiawind.com/tips/to_wave_or_not.asp 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 31 18:38:42 2005 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:38:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] VA Wind musing on waving... To: DC Cycles I liked "You're in formation. Let the leader wave. Your job is to maintain your spacing." As if it takes much effort. Or maybe it does, for those riders who ride in formation....... --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > When and how to wave: > > http://www.virginiawind.com/tips/to_wave_or_not.asp > 8;) > > -- Larry > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 31 19:53:23 2005 From: "Elric42ZRX" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:53:14 -0400 Just so you all know, this "motorcyclist" had no MC license and was ridding a stolen bike. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post > > >> On 8/31/05, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: >>> Well, if I'm reading this correctly, the truck was in the far Right >>> lane (typically bus lane) and the motorcyclist was in the Middle lane. >>> The truck basically pulled a wide right hand turn into the construction >>> site by swerving into the middle lane. Like most drivers in this city, >>> he probably didn't bother..... >> >> To consider anyone but himself....so, the short version of this story >> is that another DC area Road Royal kills someone. >> >> And, once again, the familiar refrain - "no charges have been filed." >> >> Speeding truck hits and kills bicyclist, So. Capitol St. "no charges >> filed" >> >> Inattentive motorist hits and kills reserve police officer directing >> traffic - Wisconsin and M, "no charges filed." >> >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 31 21:25:45 2005 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:25:31 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post At 07:53 PM 8/31/2005, Elric42ZRX wrote: >Just so you all know, this "motorcyclist" had no MC license and was ridding a >stolen bike. ..interesting..where did you find that tidbit of news? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 02:51:13 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 02:51:01 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I didn't see that, but i did find this: http://www.mpdc.org:8083/blue/news.jsp?sid=133000 I also heard a dc police officer died while riding a motorcycle, but can't find any info on it. On 8/31/05, Aki Damme wrote: > At 07:53 PM 8/31/2005, Elric42ZRX wrote: > > >Just so you all know, this "motorcyclist" had no MC license and was ridding a > >stolen bike. > > > ..interesting..where did you find that tidbit of news? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 02:52:45 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 02:52:38 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] more info ona hte 3rd street tunnel fatality http://www.mpdc.org:8083/blue/news.jsp?sid=113000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 04:26:17 2005 From: "Elric42ZRX" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 04:26:09 -0400 The police website does not put every detail on it. And the officer who died, from my understanding, was hit by an inattentive driver. And the info is good, I got it from the officers investigating the crash. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post > At 07:53 PM 8/31/2005, Elric42ZRX wrote: > >>Just so you all know, this "motorcyclist" had no MC license and was >>ridding a stolen bike. > > > ..interesting..where did you find that tidbit of news? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 10:11:58 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:11:48 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Kawasaki's SV Beater - REVISITED As some of you will recall, I posted the following link some weeks ago. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/15july05_2006kawasaki_er6n.htm Apparently, a different version of that bike will be coming to the U.S. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/31august05_2006kawasaki_ninja650r.htm I like it. - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 10:45:56 2005 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:40:41 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 02:51 AM 9/1/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >I didn't see that, but i did find this: >http://www.mpdc.org:8083/blue/news.jsp?sid=133000 "The motorcyclist...identified as Pedro Leite...His name is being withheld pending the notification of his next of kin." Do these folks read their own articles? Or is a name and address not "identification" of the person? Are there a lot of Pedro Leites at that address or something? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 10:46:05 2005 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:45:28 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] more info ona hte 3rd street tunnel fatality At 02:52 AM 9/1/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >http://www.mpdc.org:8083/blue/news.jsp?sid=113000 >>>> "A preliminary investigation into the crash indicates that Mr. Holness may have slid his motorcycle down in an effort to avoid colliding with the vehicles involved in the previous incident." <<<< Is this where we insert the usual argument about dropping a bike to "avoid" an accident (if you drop the bike, that *is* an "accident"), vs. keeping it on the rubber where the brakes will function to slow it down prior to any impact that can't be avoided by swerving? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 11:20:00 2005 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:19:45 -0400 From: skip To: "Mike B." CC: Danny Motorcycle , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] more info ona hte 3rd street tunnel fatality "Mike B." wrote: > > At 02:52 AM 9/1/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >http://www.mpdc.org:8083/blue/news.jsp?sid=113000 > > >>>> > "A preliminary investigation into the crash indicates that Mr. Holness may > have slid his motorcycle down in an effort to avoid colliding with the > vehicles involved in the previous incident." > <<<< > > Is this where we insert the usual argument about dropping a bike to "avoid" > an accident (if you drop the bike, that *is* an "accident"), vs. keeping it > on the rubber where the brakes will function to slow it down prior to any > impact that can't be avoided by swerving? ya see, Mike, he *had* to lay it down... had no choice. there was nowhere to go, and the coefficient of friction of metal, plastic and leather (heh, bet they weren't wearing enough or they wouldn't have been hurt) is much higher than that of tire rubber. that's why they make tires out of metal and pla.... wait.... idiots. they really ought to put that on the MC license test. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 11:53:14 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:53:07 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] more info ona hte 3rd street tunnel fatality Cc: "Mike B." , DC Cycles reminds me of some guy on gixxer.com talking about watching his pops go down on a harley. Talking about "it really can happy ot anyone" "my pops been riding xx years" "a girl turned onto the road in front of him.. he almost hit her, i saw him down shifting.. and eventually he jumped off landing on the bike".. to which I responded something like 1> shouldn't he have slowed down when he saw her on the side road, to a speed where he could stop, predicting that she likely would jump out there. 2> had he concentrated on braking instead of down shifting he may have been able to stop in time. On 9/1/05, skip wrote: > "Mike B." wrote: > > > > At 02:52 AM 9/1/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > >http://www.mpdc.org:8083/blue/news.jsp?sid=113000 > > > > >>>> > > "A preliminary investigation into the crash indicates that Mr. Holness may > > have slid his motorcycle down in an effort to avoid colliding with the > > vehicles involved in the previous incident." > > <<<< > > > > Is this where we insert the usual argument about dropping a bike to "avoid" > > an accident (if you drop the bike, that *is* an "accident"), vs. keeping it > > on the rubber where the brakes will function to slow it down prior to any > > impact that can't be avoided by swerving? > > > ya see, Mike, he *had* to lay it down... had no choice. there was > nowhere to go, and the coefficient of friction of metal, plastic and > leather (heh, bet they weren't wearing enough or they wouldn't have been > hurt) is much higher than that of tire rubber. that's why they make > tires out of metal and pla.... wait.... > > > idiots. they really ought to put that on the MC license test. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 11:55:50 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs To: Danny Motorcycle , Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 2003 ZRX1200R - retailed at about $8k, current market is about $4500. I pay about $500 a year for just comprehensive coverage. If I added collision, it would jump to nearly $2k. 26 yr old white guy with a perfect driving record living in Herndon. When I lived in Arlington, insurance cost me twice as much on half the bike (Kaw ex500). I need to tell Progressive I got married....maybe that will drop the rate a bit more ;) - Jimmy --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I woudln't even buy a bike if the insurance per year cost was 50% > of > the bike cost. > > On 8/27/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > Saves me about $1500 a year > > > not carrying collision. > > > > OUCH! What are you insuring? I pay Progressive a bit over > $500/year > > for three bikes (see below) for full coverage (including > collision). ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 12:00:45 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:00:35 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] New Yamahas for 2006 The models are slated to appear on the website in 1 minute or so . . . http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/8/0/home.aspx A buddy of mine at the dealer show reports the following: 2006 Yamaha YZF R1 LE!!!! Special limited edition race bike!! Bumble bee colors! 43mm Ohlins inverted fork!! Ohlins rear!! Marchesini wheels!! Adjustable bottom link!! Pirelli Diablo Corsas! Starter button doubles as lap timer!! Standard R1 gets modified frame, longer swingarm, revised forks, 3 more hp. All new R6 - all new engine, new frame, ti exhaust down low. Two versions of the R6, too - R6 and R6S. R6 for middleweight supersport and R6S for the budget-minded. R6S is last year's version carried over with lower price. - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 12:24:19 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:24:17 -0400 From: Robert To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike procession? My wife and I just got back from a week in the Outer Banks. On the way down there we went through Norfolk (I-64 to 168) and noticed a police cruiser with lights heading up a group of sport bikes. There were probably twenty-five to thirty bikes, preceded by one cruiser, and tailed by two others, taking up the entire freeway (north-bound). Bikes were all sport bikes, and some were pretty decked out; chromed wheels, stretched swingarms, etc. Any idea what this was? Funeral procession? Wedding? Club ride? Escorting biker gang to the city limits? Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 12:45:45 2005 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:45:31 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO OK, what gives? I keep getting a Page Not Found when I click the link. Can someone post the text of the article? Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Mike B. To: Danny Motorcycle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post At 02:51 AM 9/1/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >I didn't see that, but i did find this: >http://www.mpdc.org:8083/blue/news.jsp?sid=133000 "The motorcyclist...identified as Pedro Leite...His name is being withheld pending the notification of his next of kin." Do these folks read their own articles? Or is a name and address not "identification" of the person? Are there a lot of Pedro Leites at that address or something? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 13:05:06 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:04:53 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: "scooterfzr@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Works for me . . . August 30, 2005 Traffic Fatality in the 3800 Block of Wisconsin Avenue, NW At approximately 7 this morning, Tuesday, August 30, 2005, a dump truck traveling north bound in the right lane of the 3800 block of Wisconsin Avenue, NW, was making a right turn into a construction site at the Sidwell Friends School. It was at this time that the truck reportedly ran over a motorcyclist also going north bound in the center lane of the 3800 block of Wisconsin Avenue, NW. The motorcyclist, a 28-year-old man, identified as Pedro Leite, of the 1100 block of Pleasant Valley Drive in Catonsville, Maryland, was pronounced dead on the scene by a member of the Office of the DC Medical Examiner. His name is being withheld pending the notification of his next of kin. The operator of the dump truck, identified as 57-year-old James J. Rouse of the 400 block of 36th Street, NE, was not physically injured. He was operating a vehicle belonging to Harris Contract Hauling of Capitol Heights, Maryland. No charges have been placed at this time and the case is currently under investigation by members of the department's Major Crash Investigations Unit. On 9/1/05, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > OK, what gives? I keep getting a Page Not Found when I click the link. > Can someone post the text of the article? > > Scooter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike B. > To: Danny Motorcycle > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:40:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post > > At 02:51 AM 9/1/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >I didn't see that, but i did find this: > >http://www.mpdc.org:8083/blue/news.jsp?sid=133000 > > "The motorcyclist...identified as Pedro Leite...His name is being > withheld > pending the notification of his next of kin." > > Do these folks read their own articles? Or is a name and address not > "identification" of the person? Are there a lot of Pedro Leites at that > address or something? > > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley > folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's > mistakes > is better. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 14:05:19 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:05:10 -0400 >[snip] The >motorcyclist, a 28-year-old man, identified as Pedro Leite, of the >1100 block of Pleasant Valley Drive in Catonsville, Maryland, was >pronounced dead on the scene by a member of the Office of the DC >Medical Examiner. His name is being withheld pending the notification >of his next of kin. > Sheesh! Typical Washington Post editing... Perry p.s. I couldn't get to that link either. Maybe we don't have the right cookie or something. Of course, reading the Washington Post-Democrat tends to make me want to hurl my cookies. p.p.s. Anyone going anywhere on the bike this weekend? We're thinking about riding up to NE OH via the back roads. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 14:13:27 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:13:22 -0400 That wasn't the Post. That was MPD's Corp communications. > > From: "Perry Coleman" > Date: 2005/09/01 Thu PM 02:05:10 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post > > >[snip] The > >motorcyclist, a 28-year-old man, identified as Pedro Leite, of the > >1100 block of Pleasant Valley Drive in Catonsville, Maryland, was > >pronounced dead on the scene by a member of the Office of the DC > >Medical Examiner. His name is being withheld pending the notification > >of his next of kin. > > > > Sheesh! Typical Washington Post editing... > > Perry > > p.s. I couldn't get to that link either. Maybe we don't have the right > cookie or something. Of course, reading the Washington Post-Democrat tends > to make me want to hurl my cookies. > > p.p.s. Anyone going anywhere on the bike this weekend? We're thinking about > riding up to NE OH via the back roads. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 14:19:20 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] New Yamahas for 2006 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:19:07 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Sean Jordan" , And the R6 redlines at 17,500..... Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:cbr1kboy@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] New Yamahas for 2006 The models are slated to appear on the website in 1 minute or so . . . http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/8/0/home.aspx A buddy of mine at the dealer show reports the following: 2006 Yamaha YZF R1 LE!!!! Special limited edition race bike!! Bumble bee colors! 43mm Ohlins inverted fork!! Ohlins rear!! Marchesini wheels!! Adjustable bottom link!! Pirelli Diablo Corsas! Starter button doubles as lap timer!! Standard R1 gets modified frame, longer swingarm, revised forks, 3 more hp. All new R6 - all new engine, new frame, ti exhaust down low. Two versions of the R6, too - R6 and R6S. R6 for middleweight supersport and R6S for the budget-minded. R6S is last year's version carried over with lower price. - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 14:21:35 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:21:26 -0400 Ah well, my bad! I based that on the subject... >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post >Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:13:22 -0400 > >That wasn't the Post. That was MPD's Corp communications. > > > > > From: "Perry Coleman" > > Date: 2005/09/01 Thu PM 02:05:10 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sad news in the Post > > > > >[snip] The > > >motorcyclist, a 28-year-old man, identified as Pedro Leite, of the > > >1100 block of Pleasant Valley Drive in Catonsville, Maryland, was > > >pronounced dead on the scene by a member of the Office of the DC > > >Medical Examiner. His name is being withheld pending the notification > > >of his next of kin. > > > > > > > Sheesh! Typical Washington Post editing... > > > > Perry > > > > p.s. I couldn't get to that link either. Maybe we don't have the right > > cookie or something. Of course, reading the Washington Post-Democrat >tends > > to make me want to hurl my cookies. > > > > p.p.s. Anyone going anywhere on the bike this weekend? We're thinking >about > > riding up to NE OH via the back roads. > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 14:31:25 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:31:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the value of repairs Cc: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX there's a guy on another local .com site, says he's paying like $518 a year for an 05 gsxr 1000. with state farm. I have to call my agent and see why mine is 300 higher. On 9/1/05, James O'Connor wrote: > 2003 ZRX1200R - retailed at about $8k, current market is about $4500. > I pay about $500 a year for just comprehensive coverage. If I added > collision, it would jump to nearly $2k. 26 yr old white guy with a > perfect driving record living in Herndon. When I lived in Arlington, > insurance cost me twice as much on half the bike (Kaw ex500). I need > to tell Progressive I got married....maybe that will drop the rate a > bit more ;) > > - Jimmy > > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > I woudln't even buy a bike if the insurance per year cost was 50% > > of > > the bike cost. > > > > On 8/27/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > Saves me about $1500 a year > > > > not carrying collision. > > > > > > OUCH! What are you insuring? I pay Progressive a bit over > > $500/year > > > for three bikes (see below) for full coverage (including > > collision). > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 1 19:00:12 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Misha To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] going DC to NYC on Labor day. route suggestions or company ? Hi, I am going up to Brooklyn this Friday to see a g/f. I wonder if anyone can suggest a good route: i.e cool roads and less tolls. Also, may be anyone wants to go same way and ride in a company? So far I am planning to go through the delaware ferry and then up the garden state parkway or along the coast. Ferry costs $20 of course, way too much,m but tolls on the 95 also add up. Take Care, Misha ps. I have a Honda Silverwing 1982 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 2 18:43:30 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:43:11 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] More money for motorcycling, + Tired of the family domestic product going to gas? Ran across this timely primer for dyi electric auto conversion: Some interesting starting point sources. Farewell, Octane. Hello, Volt! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/29/arts/design/29mons.html Also, being a scarred veteran of the 70's fuel crunch, today is my inaugural fillup of the "red wart" -- my Home Depot 2-1/2 g extra gas jug. The fuel supply does not have my trust, given the "Empty" signs on the local regular pumps and the real possibility of some further disruption. At least the jug (just fits under the cargo net) is another 110+ miles of insurance (obvious tradeoff -- accident safety). Let's pray for those Katrina victims (especially the bikers!). I was Navy, stationed just south of N.O., for hurricane Betsy, mentioned several times as one of the last big ones, and of course I was heavily relief-involved. To date has been bad, but the upcoming months are going to be horrible for the forced-out. All that sog and destruction will take months and months and months to come back (albeit some might say better). How about these overnights in the 60's for LD weekend!!! Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Don't run when thirsty. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 4 10:21:02 2005 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:20:50 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] More sad news in the Post, and more questions The only ticket given was "failure to yield"? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alexandria Motorcyclist Dies in NW Crash A 36-year-old Alexandria man who was critically injured in a motorcycle crash in Northwest Washington died yesterday morning, D.C. police said. Matthew Truslow of the 200 block of East Nelson Street was driving a Yamaha motorcycle on Nebraska Avenue NW about 4:30 p.m. Thursday when he crashed into a Jeep Cherokee making a left turn onto Connecticut Avenue NW, police said. Truslow was taken to Washington Hospital Center, where he died, police said. The driver of the Cherokee, identified as Christopher Coursen, 57, of Northwest Washington, was given a ticket for failing to yield the right of way, police said. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 5 17:12:19 2005 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of propagandizing for moto use a little bit. http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 5 19:32:45 2005 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:32:36 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Cc: Dc-Cycles ha ha. you want to get rear ended and collect an insurance check, don't you? that's good though.. on one hand it taunts cager's, on the other hand it promotices motorcycling, get's people thinking they shoudl buy a bike for the gas milage.. and a good arguement to run it by the wife.. she then thinks about his life insurance policy, and how much of a slob he is.. and says.. "Good idea!". On 9/5/05, Paul Wilson wrote: > I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of > propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > > http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > > http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg > -- > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 5 19:33:48 2005 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:33:39 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Cc: Dc-Cycles i have no idea how promotices got there LOL. Probably related to screaming wife and kid. On 9/5/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > ha ha. you want to get rear ended and collect an insurance check, don't you? > that's good though.. on one hand it taunts cager's, on the other hand > it promotices motorcycling, get's people thinking they shoudl buy a > bike for the gas milage.. and a good arguement to run it by the wife.. > she then thinks about his life insurance policy, and how much of a > slob he is.. and says.. "Good idea!". > > On 9/5/05, Paul Wilson wrote: > > I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of > > propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg > > -- > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > > 95 VFR - 90 KLR > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 5 21:46:06 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:45:44 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Sign of the times Marvelous. (If that were mine, I'd check it frequently for wiseguy work: MPG > MPH.) Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Looking into burning chilipeppers. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ************** Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of propagandizing for moto use a little bit. http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 10:41:19 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:41:10 -0400 I love it! If there were room, you could even add "Plus HOV" ;^) Perry >From: Paul Wilson >To: Dc-Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 > >I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of >propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > >http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > >http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg >-- >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR - 90 KLR > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 13:12:48 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:12:39 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF status? Does anyone know if there are any more openings in MSF (MD/VA doesn't matter) for this year? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 13:33:27 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:33:18 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MSF status? Cc: DC Cycles On 9/6/05, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Does anyone know if there are any more openings in MSF (MD/VA doesn't > matter) for this year? > I don't know for sure, (the web site is a pain to use, even with faculty/staff level access) but the people that answer the phones at the numbers below certainly do. If you want to take the weekend course, best to call late in the week to snap up any last-minute cancellations. There are still weekday courses on the schedule too, up until early November. Alexandria NVCC - (703) 845-6110 Loudoun NVCC - (703) 450-2551 -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 16:28:26 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:28:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX +HOV On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > I love it! If there were room, you could even add "Plus HOV" ;^) > > Perry > > >From: Paul Wilson > >To: Dc-Cycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 > > > >I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of > >propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg > >-- > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > >95 VFR - 90 KLR > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 16:29:02 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:28:54 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX hmm any room for $300/yr insurance (i'm sure it's cheap like that?) On 9/6/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > +HOV > > On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > > I love it! If there were room, you could even add "Plus HOV" ;^) > > > > Perry > > > > >From: Paul Wilson > > >To: Dc-Cycles > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > > >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 > > > > > >I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of > > >propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > > > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg > > >-- > > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > > >95 VFR - 90 KLR > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 16:49:02 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:48:55 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Cc: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX C'mon now. Those Givi cases are big, but they're not THAT big. On 9/6/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > hmm any room for $300/yr insurance (i'm sure it's cheap like that?) > ..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 17:04:55 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:04:41 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Seen across the back on a Goldwing at the IBR finish in Denver - Trailering is a sin -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 18:06:56 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:06:31 -0400 You forgot the phone number 1-800-SCAREDTORIDE LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Seen across the back on a Goldwing at the IBR finish in Denver - Trailering is a sin -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 19:00:27 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:00:15 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > You forgot the phone number 1-800-SCAREDTORIDE I thought about it, but decided that the top line was expressing an opinion. The bottom line casts aspersions on what some day may be my fellow motorcyclists. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 20:38:29 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:37:39 -0400 Actually, the more I thought about it, the more I liked "HOV Too" as a play on HOV-2. And, yes I know that motorcycles are eligible for HOV-3 also... ;^) Perry >From: Danny Motorcycle >To: Perry Coleman >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:28:18 -0400 > >+HOV > >On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > > I love it! If there were room, you could even add "Plus HOV" ;^) > > > > Perry > > > > >From: Paul Wilson > > >To: Dc-Cycles > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > > >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 > > > > > >I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of > > >propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > > > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg > > >-- > > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > > >95 VFR - 90 KLR > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 6 22:10:50 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:10:44 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmm.. what about putting the top speed on there too.. what is it btw? appeal to the thrill seeking side as well as the frugal side. On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > Actually, the more I thought about it, the more I liked "HOV Too" as a play > on HOV-2. And, yes I know that motorcycles are eligible for HOV-3 also... > ;^) > > Perry > > >From: Danny Motorcycle > >To: Perry Coleman > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:28:18 -0400 > > > >+HOV > > > >On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > I love it! If there were room, you could even add "Plus HOV" ;^) > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > >From: Paul Wilson > > > >To: Dc-Cycles > > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > > > >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 > > > > > > > >I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of > > > >propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > > > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > > > > > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg > > > >-- > > > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > > > >95 VFR - 90 KLR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 08:49:07 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:49:00 -0400 Top speed on a Concours?!? That's not too exciting - maybe 125. Possibly 130 with no bags, shorty windshield and a tail wind... Perry >From: Danny Motorcycle >To: Perry Coleman >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:10:44 -0400 > >Hmm.. what about putting the top speed on there too.. what is it btw? > >appeal to the thrill seeking side as well as the frugal side. > > >On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > > Actually, the more I thought about it, the more I liked "HOV Too" as a >play > > on HOV-2. And, yes I know that motorcycles are eligible for HOV-3 >also... > > ;^) > > > > Perry > > > > >From: Danny Motorcycle > > >To: Perry Coleman > > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > > >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:28:18 -0400 > > > > > >+HOV > > > > > >On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > > I love it! If there were room, you could even add "Plus HOV" ;^) > > > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > >From: Paul Wilson > > > > >To: Dc-Cycles > > > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > > > > >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of > > > > >propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > > > > > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > > > > > > > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg > > > > >-- > > > > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > > > > >95 VFR - 90 KLR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 09:46:06 2005 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:45:59 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders I bought a set of Shogun frame sliders from a local dealer. Upon opening the package I noticed that the 80mm steel bolts had some surface rust\corrosion on them. Does anyone have a recommendation on where I could go locally to get high quality replacement steel bolts? Otherwise I am going to have to return the product. Thanks, Julian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 11:10:57 2005 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:09:14 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] 2001 SV650 2500 miles $2900 > Good Deal? A coworker of a friend is selling his SV650 with 2500 miles. Blue Book is $3685. I told him there are a lot in the market and would probably give $2900 if it checked out. It has been sitting in a garage and still has factory oil in it. If it is cool mechanically and cosmetically, do you think it is a good deal? If so, I might have bike #2 this week :-) -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 11:22:39 2005 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:21:03 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 2001 SV650 2500 miles $2900 > Good Deal? Correction, it had the first maintenance done, just not the second. I don't know if it has three year old gas in it, but supposedly it starts fine. My last two bikes were used, so I am accustomed to looking for the standard gotchas. Hopefully. Mike Troutman wrote: > A coworker of a friend is selling his SV650 with 2500 miles. Blue > Book is $3685. I told him there are a lot in the market and would > probably give $2900 if it checked out. It has been sitting in a > garage and still has factory oil in it. If it is cool mechanically > and cosmetically, do you think it is a good deal? If so, I might have > bike #2 this week :-) > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 12:46:41 2005 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Metric bolts I haven't had too much luck with so far try some of the smaller Mom and Pop hardware stores. Frager's on Cap hill might have them otherwise you might want to order online from Grainger or McMaster Carr. They should have rated bolts. Are these cut or no cut frame sliders? Ian 04 Red R6-Because it's different than blue --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > I bought a set of Shogun frame sliders from a local > dealer. Upon > opening the package I noticed that the 80mm steel > bolts had some surface > rust\corrosion on them. Does anyone have a > recommendation on where I > could go locally to get high quality replacement > steel bolts? Otherwise > I am going to have to return the product. > > Thanks, > > Julian > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 12:55:40 2005 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:55:32 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Interesting. how many CC's ? On 9/7/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > Top speed on a Concours?!? That's not too exciting - maybe 125. Possibly 130 > with no bags, shorty windshield and a tail wind... > > Perry > > >From: Danny Motorcycle > >To: Perry Coleman > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:10:44 -0400 > > > >Hmm.. what about putting the top speed on there too.. what is it btw? > > > >appeal to the thrill seeking side as well as the frugal side. > > > > > >On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > Actually, the more I thought about it, the more I liked "HOV Too" as a > >play > > > on HOV-2. And, yes I know that motorcycles are eligible for HOV-3 > >also... > > > ;^) > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > >From: Danny Motorcycle > > > >To: Perry Coleman > > > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:28:18 -0400 > > > > > > > >+HOV > > > > > > > >On 9/6/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > > > I love it! If there were room, you could even add "Plus HOV" ;^) > > > > > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > > > >From: Paul Wilson > > > > > >To: Dc-Cycles > > > > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times > > > > > >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:12:08 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >I did a little customization of my Givi top case today, in hopes of > > > > > >propagandizing for moto use a little bit. > > > > > > > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- > > > > > > > > > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > > > > > >95 VFR - 90 KLR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 13:12:49 2005 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:12:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] SPAM - GSX1100G for sale After thinking about it for a year, I've come to the decision to sell my GSX1100G. I've only ridden it once in the past two years and hate to see it rot away in the garage. It's a black '93 with about 75K miles on it. Runs embarassingly strongly and well. Particulars: * New clutch at about 70K * All new S/S hydraulic lines at about the same time (clutch & brakes). * Corbin seat at 15K, recovered at 65K + stocker in a box somewhere in garage * WP shock at 20 or so K - may still have worn out stocker kicking around somewhere * Progressive fork springs (suspension set up for the "Mature" gentleman) * Givi 3-piece setup - 2 50L Maxia side bags and a 46L topcase - keyed alike * Givi windshield with most of the mounting hardware - never used and some pieces disappeared into the general garage clutter. * Unrepaired dent in front right side of tank - deer strike * Metzeler Z4s with a few thousand miles left * Neoprene fork gaiters - ugly as sin, but no more upper tube dings. * Aftermarket horns - very loud when working, but at the moment they're silent - not sure if it's a bad switch, relay or general malaise. * Extensive collection of Virginia and West Virginia bugs and road mung. Don't really want to see it go, but would rather that it be ridden and enjoyed. Located in Sterling - pics on request. Would like to see something in the neighborhood of $3K -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 13:43:15 2005 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:43:16 -0400 From: corey To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zeus.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - blanksky.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp Coleman's has a large variety of bolts in the parts dept. Most hardware stores in this area have a paltry selection. I've talked to Grainger and they had a wide selection... but only if i wanted a BOX of bolts. Quoting Ian Schmidt : > Metric bolts I haven't had too much luck with so far > try some of the smaller Mom and Pop hardware stores. > Frager's on Cap hill might have them otherwise you > might want to order online from Grainger or McMaster > Carr. They should have rated bolts. Are these cut or > no cut frame sliders? > > Ian > 04 Red R6-Because it's different than blue > > --- Julian Halton wrote: > >> >> >> I bought a set of Shogun frame sliders from a local >> dealer. Upon >> opening the package I noticed that the 80mm steel >> bolts had some surface >> rust\corrosion on them. Does anyone have a >> recommendation on where I >> could go locally to get high quality replacement >> steel bolts? Otherwise >> I am going to have to return the product. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Julian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 20:06:16 2005 From: "Allen Fahey" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:06:02 -0400 Julian, I've heard soaking things in antifreeze will remove surface rust. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders I bought a set of Shogun frame sliders from a local dealer. Upon opening the package I noticed that the 80mm steel bolts had some surface rust\corrosion on them. Does anyone have a recommendation on where I could go locally to get high quality replacement steel bolts? Otherwise I am going to have to return the product. Thanks, Julian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 7 20:22:27 2005 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Try Fischer's Hardware in Springfield. They've got a pretty good selection of bolts, including metric stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they had stainless metric bolts as well. You might also try Potomac Steel - they have a pretty good selection of bolts as well. Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:46 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders > > > > I bought a set of Shogun frame sliders from a local > dealer. Upon > opening the package I noticed that the 80mm steel > bolts had some surface > rust\corrosion on them. Does anyone have a > recommendation on where I > could go locally to get high quality replacement > steel bolts? Otherwise > I am going to have to return the product. > > Thanks, > > Julian > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 07:59:14 2005 X-Sasl-Enc: Nqnc1V6Fd5Gc507z/nsrxn7coO2X2S3FNARq4NzmelF7 1126180746 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sign of the times - Concours question Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:59:06 -0400 > On 9/7/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > > Top speed on a Concours?!? That's not too exciting - maybe 125. Possibly 130 > > with no bags, shorty windshield and a tail wind... > > > > Perry On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:55:32 -0400, "Danny Motorcycle" said: > Interesting. how many CC's ? > Connies have 1000 cc's. (997 if you want to get really picky) :-) In the US they are designated ZG1000, in other countries they are GTR1000. Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan Fairfax, VA The Tribe MC, Vice President 1998 Kawasaki Concours (called GTR1000 outside the USA) Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 08:02:10 2005 X-Sasl-Enc: +YiIGXOggD8sFuMfzhSt3FrGfW5/w6X/CTSC5Xd4fjZ3 1126180923 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:02:03 -0400 I tried both of those places when I needed to replace a bolt in my Givi, and neither had exactly what I needed. I called these folks: http://www.mmsacc-stainless.com/index.htm and was able to get the right sized bolt. Louis On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT), "Brian Ray" said: > Try Fischer's Hardware in Springfield. They've got a > pretty good selection of bolts, including metric > stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they had stainless > metric bolts as well. You might also try Potomac > Steel - they have a pretty good selection of bolts as > well. > > Brian > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:46 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders > > > > > > > > I bought a set of Shogun frame sliders from a local > > dealer. Upon > > opening the package I noticed that the 80mm steel > > bolts had some surface > > rust\corrosion on them. Does anyone have a > > recommendation on where I > > could go locally to get high quality replacement > > steel bolts? Otherwise > > I am going to have to return the product. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Julian > > > > > > > > > ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 08:30:44 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'julian@XXXXXX'" Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:32:35 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Shogun frame sliders Julian Huffed: "I bought a set of Shogun frame sliders from a local dealer. Upon opening the package I noticed that the 80mm steel bolts had some surface rust\corrosion on them. Does anyone have a recommendation on where I could go locally to get high quality replacement steel bolts? Otherwise I am going to have to return the product." [Carl]: 1. Surface rust? Sheese it ain't a Harley. Rub a little oil on 'em and be happy. 2. Return to the dealer and whine about the rust. Ask for shiny replacements or a hefty discount. 3. Lowes has a pretty good selection of SS* metric bolts. Usually in bags of 5 for $3-5. 4. Strosniders* also has a good selection of SS metric bolts. I'd guess a 8 mm X1.25 X 80 mm would run ~$2.00 apiece. 5. McMaster Carr as previously mentioned is excellent. They used to ship free but my last collection of bits ran $5 for shipping. * Yeah, I buy SS bolts and nuts but I cover them up with paint or dirt. :^) ** IIRC you work in Bethesda. Strosniders is on Arlington Road just north of Bradley Blvd. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 10:00:03 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:59:55 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike a little bit of a read with a question at the end. I have had the opportunity to see what the fuss of a 998cc motorcycle is all about. That said we are still in the foreplay stage and the bike is not broken in. The beast in question is the 2005 Yamaha R1. Throughout my short biking career, I have been impressed upon with a few words of advice: " Your 600 is way too small" is one I have heard frequently. Another is: "incorrect throttle application on a liter bike exiting a turn will change your life forever". Here are my first impressions of the changes between riding an R6 and riding an R1. The R1 is beautiful to look at. The dry weight of the bike is 379 pounds. The R6 compares at 357 dry. The height of the bikes are the same, the R1 is longer by an eighth of an inch. The R1 has slightly bigger brakes...by 10mm to be exact and a larger rear tire: a 190 50 ZR17 instead of a 180 55 ZR17. The fuel tank of the 1 is .35 of a gallon larger. The engine is 998 cc as opposed to 600 cc. The seat is narrower on the 1 and also you have more room for your legs. The seat is also higher so once you ride for any length of time there is a fair amount of discomfort as it feels like your wrists are supporting all your body weight because your torso cants forward and drives your arms downwards onto the bar. I have tried messing with a more tucked in, arms bent like I am doing a triceps pull down position but have had little success. There is a throaty grunt upon pressing the ignition. The bike sounds angry. After all the talk I had heard I was expecting to move my right wrist a hair and be catapulted into hyperspace. Not so. Up until about 6900 rpms, the bike is very tame. I almost feel like I get more power out of the R6. The engine is in break-in mode so I have yet to explore the RPM range that the R1 is meant to come alive in. The bike is comfortable. The rear under tail exhaust gets power plant hot after the engine warms up. The brakes don't feel different. I don't get the impression that I will flip the bike by applying the front brake hard. My opinion of the stock Dunlop SportMax tires is that they are absolute shite. Not that I am the most sensitive guy on two wheels but I can and have (on the R6) felt gobs of difference both real and perceived between the Dunlop's, Sporttec M1s and Pilot Powers. The shape of the tire is much different, the other brands feel better and my confidence level is higher. That said -my R6 low side on Summit Main was executed on Pilot Powers and I still can't remember ever feeling like I was going into a slide -it just happened. The R1 turns in as quickly as the R6. The front is responsive. This is when the differences start. Compared to the integrated we are doing this together feel of the R6, I feel and imagine myself to be an articulator bus going around the corners. My brain yells that the rear tire will slip out and I can definitely imagine the consequence of too much throttle. You have to plan your turns with a higher degree of precision. My lean angle is next to nothing and did I mention my wrists hurt? The primitive part of my brain tells me to be very, very careful. I can't afford to make mistakes that on an R6 I have recovered from. The blistering speed and awesome acceleration on the straights has yet to be felt. I am a lot slower on this bike in the twisties. It might be the rubber. It might be that we need to get to know each other. It might be that I have to learn to hang off like a GP inspired chimpanzee to get this bike around the corners. It might be a combination of the three. We are still in the first stage of dating and have not bonded yet. On a backroads ride through the Davidsonville area I was so slow, the group I rode with were reminding me to pull my kickstand in before starting out. Those three R6s were railing away, driven with the confidence of youth. Maturity, me and the R1 hung back and enjoyed the sights and sounds of Anne Arundel County. I was tense at every turn, and felt like I felt the first time I started to explore cornering on the R6. I felt like I was driving a bus and had to set up for each corner with rather extreme lines and maintain my relatively slow speed throughout the turn as opposed to getting on the throttle after cresting the apexes. I am a beginner again and have much to learn. I am enjoying the bike and enjoying the challenge of learning it. I can't wait to chuck the stock rubber. At this moment, I don't feel a quarter as capable as I should. I am going to take my time and learn this bike and then decide which class is meant for me. For sheer fun in the corners, the R6 has it for the time being. Julian. PS. I know I have asked this before but I am still confused by the whole break-in thing. The seller says nothing above 6900 RPM for the first six hundred. The manual says: "avoid prolonged operation above 6900 RPMs for the first six hundred. J. instructed me to occasionally rev it all the way to the red line to let the bike know what will be expected of it. And a certain W. once advised me to baby it for the first three hundred, change the oil and then drive it like I stole it. For the time being I am not taking it past 6900 RPMs and I am at the 400 mile mark. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 10:16:18 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:15:39 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-CYCLES , VStrom List , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 What next? Doors? > No punch line here.......it's true. > http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/2006Hondas.asp -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 10:22:04 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 1st Impression of a Liter Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > ...Those three R6s were railing away, driven with the > confidence of youth. Maturity, me and the R1 hung back and enjoyed the > sights and sounds of Anne Arundel County.... "Maturity"? You and your friends are still doing on the streets what you should be doing at the track. You're just more Washington Post death notices waiting to happen. All it takes is a little splash of fine gravel... -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 10:26:28 2005 From: To: DC-CYCLES , VStrom List , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:26:10 -0400 > > From: Michael Jordan > Date: 2005/09/08 Thu AM 10:15:39 EDT > To: DC-CYCLES , VStrom List , > gsx1100g@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 > > What next? Doors? > > > No punch line here.......it's true. > > http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/2006Hondas.asp > > -- ..odd..it the article didn't mention *where* the airbag is located. Most full on head on impacts would eject the rider up and over the handlebars. I would think that if the bag is located on the tank (or even on the center of the handlebars), the rider would merely sail over the bag. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 10:28:23 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:26:51 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Larry, Before making that judgment why don't you come out and ride with me or ask those on the list that have rode with me what my style of riding is. When I want to track ride, I go to the track. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 10:39:26 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:12:23 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Cc: DCCycles > PS. I know I have asked this before but I am still confused by the whole > break-in thing. The seller says nothing above 6900 RPM for the first > six hundred. The manual says: "avoid prolonged operation above 6900 RPMs > for the first six hundred. Your hint here is "The Manual says" - give the engineers who designed the thing at least as much credit as you give to assorted hangers-on. Brief excursions above 6900 aren't a problem - the closer you get to 600 miles, these excursions can be closer together and higher RPMs. Bringing the bike up to 7500 just prior to an upshift isn't a bad thing - keeping it at 7500 for 5 miles in top gear is (for a number of reasons) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 10:45:33 2005 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:45:19 -0400 more pic of Goldwing's airbag; http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.articles.articleCategory.article&resourceId=3141757&articleCategory=NEWS_NEW-BIKES detail in French... http://www.moto-station.com/article1371-news-2006-honda-lance-le-1er-airbag-moto-.html --------------------- Shigeru Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "DC-CYCLES" ; "VStrom List" ; Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 > > > > > From: Michael Jordan > > Date: 2005/09/08 Thu AM 10:15:39 EDT > > To: DC-CYCLES , VStrom List , > > gsx1100g@XXXXXX > > Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 > > > > What next? Doors? > > > > > No punch line here.......it's true. > > > http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/2006Hondas.asp > > > > -- > > > ..odd..it the article didn't mention *where* the airbag > is located. Most full on head on impacts would eject > the rider up and over the handlebars. I would think that > if the bag is located on the tank (or even on the center of the handlebars), the rider would merely sail over > the bag. > > -aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 11:24:19 2005 From: To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:23:58 -0400 OMG! That looks like someone is mooning you! LOL!! > > From: "Shigeru Honda" > Date: 2005/09/08 Thu AM 10:45:19 EDT > To: , "DC-CYCLES" > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 > > more pic of Goldwing's airbag; > > http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.articles.articleCategory.article&resourceId=3141757&articleCategory=NEWS_NEW-BIKES > > detail in French... > http://www.moto-station.com/article1371-news-2006-honda-lance-le-1er-airbag-moto-.html > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "DC-CYCLES" ; "VStrom List" > ; > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 > > > > > > > > > > From: Michael Jordan > > > Date: 2005/09/08 Thu AM 10:15:39 EDT > > > To: DC-CYCLES , VStrom List > , > > > gsx1100g@XXXXXX > > > Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Air bag now an option on GL1800 > > > > > > What next? Doors? > > > > > > > No punch line here.......it's true. > > > > http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/2006Hondas.asp > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ..odd..it the article didn't mention *where* the airbag > > is located. Most full on head on impacts would eject > > the rider up and over the handlebars. I would think that > > if the bag is located on the tank (or even on the center of the > handlebars), the rider would merely sail over > > the bag. > > > > -aki > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 15:06:08 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:05:58 -0400 From: smthng else To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike On 9/8/05, Julian Halton wrote: > PS. I know I have asked this before but I am still confused by the whole > break-in thing. The seller says nothing above 6900 RPM for the first > six hundred. The manual says: "avoid prolonged operation above 6900 RPMs > for the first six hundred. J. instructed me to occasionally rev it all > the way to the red line to let the bike know what will be expected of > it. And a certain W. once advised me to baby it for the first three > hundred, change the oil and then drive it like I stole it. For the time > being I am not taking it past 6900 RPMs and I am at the 400 mile mark. Here's my theory on brake-in, backed up by a little bit of experience... I've been through three bikes that were new off the show room floor. One 600 inline four, one 1300 inline four and one 1100 V-Twin. On the first one (the 600), I didn't know any better and ran it in the same basic way that you did for most vehicles "back in the day"... keep it under a certain RPM for the first 600 miles, then a slightly higher RPM for the next 400 or so miles, then ride it like you stole it. It very rapidly settled into a "comfortable" RPM range that it liked to run in... that happens to be the exact same range I ran it in for the first 600 miles. It ran smooth as silk and would go for hours without a hiccup in that range. If you cruised a bit under or over that range, it vibrated quite badly and would hesitate a fair bit if you really got on it. Once it managed to punch out of that range, it would then get up and run, but it REALLY liked sitting in that range. Yes, this could be caused by other factors such as carb jetting and such, but I think the break-in RPM range had something to do with it. With my Shadow (1100 VTwin) and my FJR (1300 inline), I changed the RPMs constantly during break-in. I'd run both of them up to redline (gently) and then slowly let them back down again. Generally I did this every 50 miles or so. Both have always had near perfect compression and valve tolerances and neither has developed that "flat-spot" that the 600 did. A number of folks on both the FZ1 boards and the FJR forums report the same results. I have also ridden someone elses FZ1 that did the "recommended" break-in and I could tell a difference... The other guys' FZ1 acted like my older 600 with the flat spot. Again, this could all be contributed to other factors, so there's no need to go pointing out the flaws in my logic (I'm quite aware of them... this time). ;) For me, it partly makes sense to vary the RPMs constantly and to occaisionally "wring it out" during the break-in period. Of course, it's partly superstition as well. ;) Personal opinion... If you're going to try the above method of occaisionally redlining during a break-in, do so gently... don't "whack" the throttle and jump it up to redline. Just slowly give it more gas till you get there, then slowly back it off back to your regular range. You just want the bike to know what you want it do, you don't want to pound it into it. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 16:33:34 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I find that riding on twistier roads during break-in helps the bike handle better. And run it on regular, because once it tastes premium, its all over. I break them in by the book. They run great, no problems, no flat spots and I sleep better knowing I followed a piece of advice that the mfg PAID to put in the manual. > Here's my theory on brake-in, backed up by a little bit of > experience... I've been through three bikes that were new off the > show room floor. One 600 inline four, one 1300 inline four and one > 1100 V-Twin. > > On the first one (the 600), I didn't know any better and ran it in the > same basic way that you did for most vehicles "back in the day"... > keep it under a certain RPM for the first 600 miles, then a slightly > higher RPM for the next 400 or so miles, then ride it like you stole > it. It very rapidly settled into a "comfortable" RPM range that it > liked to run in... that happens to be the exact same range I ran it > in for the first 600 miles. It ran smooth as silk and would go for > hours without a hiccup in that range. If you cruised a bit under or > over that range, it vibrated quite badly and would hesitate a fair bit > if you really got on it. Once it managed to punch out of that range, > it would then get up and run, but it REALLY liked sitting in that > range. Yes, this could be caused by other factors such as carb > jetting and such, but I think the break-in RPM range had something to > do with it. > > With my Shadow (1100 VTwin) and my FJR (1300 inline), I changed the > RPMs constantly during break-in. I'd run both of them up to redline > (gently) and then slowly let them back down again. Generally I did > this every 50 miles or so. Both have always had near perfect > compression and valve tolerances and neither has developed that > "flat-spot" that the 600 did. A number of folks on both the FZ1 > boards and the FJR forums report the same results. I have also > ridden someone elses FZ1 that did the "recommended" break-in and I > could tell a difference... The other guys' FZ1 acted like my older > 600 with the flat spot. > > Again, this could all be contributed to other factors, so there's no > need to go pointing out the flaws in my logic (I'm quite aware of > them... this time). ;) For me, it partly makes sense to vary the > RPMs constantly and to occaisionally "wring it out" during the > break-in period. Of course, it's partly superstition as well. ;) > > Personal opinion... If you're going to try the above method of > occaisionally redlining during a break-in, do so gently... don't > "whack" the throttle and jump it up to redline. Just slowly give it > more gas till you get there, then slowly back it off back to your > regular range. You just want the bike to know what you want it do, > you don't want to pound it into it. > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 19:07:20 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:07:07 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Ah the ever popular "break in" thread! Preliminary response before I actually read the long content. (skipped ahead to the question lol) Is it true that the R1 has a black box that records how you ride it? and if you ride it hard during break in, and blow the motor, the warranty is voided and you're SOL? If that's not true, then baby it for the first three hundred miles, then ride it hard. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 19:30:04 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Danny Motorcycle'" , Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:29:57 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79073b4b5ca13f53c1b4ccee9208bfccad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Danny: Ah the ever popular "break in" thread! Preliminary response before I actually read the long content. (skipped ahead to the question lol) [Dave] Actually, we haven't discussed tires at length in some time, aren't we overdue for the hoops thread? Was supposed to be July I thought... I happen to like the 208zr's :-P Are we now supposed to insult one of the Jordans for something that Sean did? ;-) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 19:33:35 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:33:28 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike alright, here are thoughts in no particular order Don't run it on regular. I'm pretty sure it needs premuim or else you'll get pings and knocks and what not. It's only a matter of time before you'll love the R1 and it will feel like an R6 with steroids. I think you should relax a little. You're judging the dunlops, but they're probably still new and not broken in yet? I've ridden an 01 r6, and an 04 R1. Spent more time on the r6, very fun, and comfortable bike. I almost say you should have kept yours for a track bike..but that regulator problem they have suck. The 04 R1 felt very tame.. good.. comfortable. part of the manufacture "break in advice" is so you can get familiar with the bike, "take it easy" and not break your neck and sue them.. you can lower the rear end of the r1 by the adjustment of the spanner nuts around the rear shock. Raise the nuts to the top of the shock to lower the rear end. This might keep the bike from "leaning you forward" as much, harder on to the bars. Really you only need a 600 for the streets and track. Insurance is definitely cheaper. If you're fast, you're fast on anything. I know a guy who rode an r6 and everyone thought he had motorwork, r1 motor etc. Don't worry about your throttle wiping you out in the curve. Just make sure you go into the curve in a higher gear, lower rpms, and you'll have the same throttle response as a 600 in a lower gear, higher rpms. like i said, you just need to get used to the bike, you'll see it will feel like an R6 most of the time, until you get into the higher RPMS. Also keep in mind, stock, untouched, most bikes off the show room floor aren't tuned for peak perfomrance, but instead user friendliness. That's another reason it feels like a 600. Now once you get a power commander, full exhaust, and other mods, then you'll see a huge difference.. right now, you'll find it to be very user friendly, once you stop being worried about things. oh and ignore what people say.. such as "that little r6" "you look funny" etc. Make your choices on what you think.. not peer pressure. Also join the R1 forumn. Morphues has a teamate (daekwan) who is an R1 junkie, and on that forumn, and will probably answer any question you could have. He's probably researched 10 times as much as you would ever want to know, regardign r1's. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 19:37:22 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:37:15 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX rotfl @ Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 22:34:17 2005 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:34:01 -0400 From: "ALEX MORSE" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] bike stands Hi All, My new SV1000 is the first bike I've owned without a center stand so I'm now in the market for a bike stand. Any suggestions? I noticed that the Cycle Cat UCS1 got Motorcyclist Mag's product of the year but it looks a little pricey at $200. thanks for any help, Alex Adams-Morgan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 22:37:32 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:37:23 -0400 >From: Danny Motorcycle *sigh* >you can lower the rear end of the r1 by the adjustment of the spanner >nuts around the rear shock. Raise the nuts to the top of the shock to >lower the rear end. This might keep the bike from "leaning you >forward" as much, harder on to the bars. If you want the bike to handle like a complete piece of shit, go ahead and follow Danny's advice. I would suggest gripping the tank with your knees, and supporting more of your weight with your back/abdominals. Lowering the read end as much as would be needed to cause any appreciable relief to your wrists would make it steer like a truck. >Just make sure you go into the curve in a higher gear, lower rpms, and >you'll >have the same throttle response as a 600 in a lower gear, higher rpms. This statement makes me think Danny has never ridden a 1000 or a 600 in his entire life, perhaps even a motorcycle at that rate. Where do you come up with this stuff?!?! >like i said, you just need to get used to the bike, you'll see it will >feel like an R6 most of the time, until you get into the higher RPMS. > >Also keep in mind, stock, untouched, most bikes off the show room >floor aren't tuned for peak perfomrance, but instead user >friendliness. That's another reason it feels like a 600. Now once >you get a power commander, full exhaust, and other mods, then you'll >see a huge difference.. A stock 2004 R1 makes somewhere around 150-155 hp. A stock 2004 R6 makes about 105. An 2004 R1 makes its peak torque around 10000 rpm, and peak horsepower around 12,750. The R6 makes peak torque at 12500 rpm and makes peak horsepower at 13,000 rpm. There is *no* way that the 1000 will feel like a 600 in regards to power delivery. Furthermore, and adequate assessment regarding the "feel" of power delivery cannot be made until one rides the bike freely using the full range of engine speeds. You don't need to get a power commander, full exhaust, and other mods to "see a huge difference." The R1, in stock trim makes nearly 50% more horsepower, and almost 70% more peak torque, both of which occur in a package that is 22 lbs.(dry weight) more than the R6. If you can't tell the difference yet, you should not be riding these motorcycles, or any other motorcycles for that matter. >oh and ignore what people say.. such as "that little r6" "you look funny" >etc. >Make your choices on what you think.. not peer pressure. Danny has his moments - in a freak event of cosmic proportions, I agree with him. Someone write this down. Sean Jordan '93 CBR100F www.jordanmotorsports.com _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 22:58:36 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:57:14 -0400 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: dl650@XXXXXX From: Bob McKeithen X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.3.2 (20050629) at filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Need Suzuki tuner... Wash DC area Took the new DL650 back to the dealer where I purchased it for it's first service. I was hoping they could fiddle the fuel injection to eliminate the slight hesitation at steady throttle between 3000 and 5000 rpm. To make a long story short--when I made the appointment I was told they had a Yoshimura box which is needed to fix the problem. Shop foreman says they don't have one and that the F I is not adjustable. Then had a conversation with the owner who basically shrugged his shoulders and said "Oh well". I guess you figure out when I will be going back there. Can anyone suggest a shop in the Washington, DC metro area who is willing and able to make this adjustment ? Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 23:42:03 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:41:56 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL here we go again. On 9/8/05, Sean Jordan wrote: > >From: Danny Motorcycle > > *sigh* > > >you can lower the rear end of the r1 by the adjustment of the spanner > >nuts around the rear shock. Raise the nuts to the top of the shock to > >lower the rear end. This might keep the bike from "leaning you > >forward" as much, harder on to the bars. > > If you want the bike to handle like a complete piece of shit, go ahead and > follow Danny's advice. I would suggest gripping the tank with your knees, > and supporting more of your weight with your back/abdominals. I call bullshit! Have you ever tried lowering the rear ? Have you tried it on a 2003+ model bike? I run my 00 zx6r and 03 gsxr 1000 lowered in the back. They do not handle like complete (or incomplete) peices of shit. Maybe your 93 cbr would, but maybe tha'ts because it's a heavy ass 93 cbr.. but we are talking about modern bikes. While its' true that "higher rear end" = "quicker steering" , also keep in mind tire profile also means "quicker steering". Where do you draw the line as in "how much quicker steering is enough". Do you have to have your bike set at the most quickest steering possible? He doesn't need his bike set up for JC. And how well is that "most quickest steering" going to handle at higher speeds? like shite i'd imagine. Lower in the back also = more stable higher speeds. Also he's going to be riding sanely on the streets. He knows when to have fun, and he can set up his "quicker steering" for that, IF he felt needed, when the track days come. (I still recommend getting a dedicated track bike though). Lowering the rear on an 04 R1 will handle just fine! It is within the range the manufacturers designed it. I'm not talking some bullshit theory, i'm talking what I run on a day to day basis. Now I don't stupidly drag any hard parts on the streets any more.. but I do know when and where to have my fun, and my gsxr does get down. > Lowering the read end as much as would be needed to cause any appreciable > relief to your wrists would make it steer like a truck. And you know this because you've done it on what bike(s)? I've had my gsxr at both highest and lowest settings, the rear end being high, caused my seat angle to slide me forward. Lowering the rear, balanced it out a hell of a lot. We can bet money, we can take my bike, let julian ride it with the rear end at the upper most and lower most positions, and I'll bet he says 1> it doesn't steer like a truck 2> the seat angle changed from sliding him forward, to being a lot more level. I know because i've done it, and from julians posts, I trust him to make honest evaluations. > >Just make sure you go into the curve in a higher gear, lower rpms, and > >you'll > >have the same throttle response as a 600 in a lower gear, higher rpms. > > This statement makes me think Danny has never ridden a 1000 or a 600 in his > entire life, perhaps even a motorcycle at that rate. Well that figures.. it doesn't suprise me you often think in total opposite to what is in fact reality. In this day and age i'm prone to ride both bikes in the same day.. the 600 for gas milage in the day to day neccessities of life, the 1000 early 4 a.m fun. > Where do you come up with this stuff?!?! I'd tell you but it's a conspiracy against you.... ok i'll tell you.. the anti sean jordan school of reality. LOL > >like i said, you just need to get used to the bike, you'll see it will > >feel like an R6 most of the time, until you get into the higher RPMS. > > > >Also keep in mind, stock, untouched, most bikes off the show room > >floor aren't tuned for peak perfomrance, but instead user > >friendliness. That's another reason it feels like a 600. Now once > >you get a power commander, full exhaust, and other mods, then you'll > >see a huge difference.. > > A stock 2004 R1 makes somewhere around 150-155 hp. A stock 2004 R6 makes > about 105. Before you go into your ranting drivel, I was saying He'll feel a huge difference on his r1, from stock, to modded! DUH! Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is key... and he's already said he was suprised it didn't feel as powerful as he would have expected. If you note what I said above, I did say it would feel comparable until the upper RPMS. > An 2004 R1 makes its peak torque around 10000 rpm, and peak horsepower > around 12,750. The R6 makes peak torque at 12500 rpm and makes peak > horsepower at 13,000 rpm. > > There is *no* way that the 1000 will feel like a 600 in regards to power > delivery. Well first you're talking about peak rpms. I'm talking about overall. good job Jimmy Neutron.. I can say from experience, (as long as you're not an idiot wacking the throttle.. maybe you are?) that an R1 does feel like an R6 *on steroids*. Quote me right, or up your reading comprehension skills. Not only do I feel this way, but my friend daekwan, r1 junkie, who owns 1 street, 1 track, 04 R1, member of most wanted racing, said the exact same thing independantly of me saying it, when his teamate (cannon) polled both of us seperately in passing conversation. Daekwon studies the R1 like he's trying to graduate college or something.. drags knees all around summit and whatever else tracks he goes to.. So I believe I have a credible 2nd oppinion that it feels like an r6 on steroids. Like i was saying, and r1 feels like an r6 on steriods.. stock, it's comfy, yet manageable. Both bikes will flip you, or kill you if you don't respect the throttle. Sure the r1 has 50/70% more HP/Torque Peak.. but guess what.. bikes arne't always running at PEAK. Maybe you should stop peeking and actually read what I write LOL >Furthermore, and adequate assessment regarding the "feel" of power > delivery cannot be made until one rides the bike freely using the full range > of engine speeds. You don't need to get a power commander, full exhaust, and > other mods to "see a huge difference." LOL what the heck are you talking about? So what, I didn't use the full range of engine speeds? LOL gee how did i get to 170 indicated mph then! Daekwon magicly gets to top end in low rpms? lol pay attention, as I said, I said the huge difference is between stock and modded. A stock bike wll be easy in lower RPMS and pick up speed. A modded bike will generally go like a bat out of hell in the lower RPMS that the stock bike was going easy. > The R1, in stock trim makes nearly 50% more horsepower, and almost 70% more > peak torque, both of which occur in a package that is 22 lbs.(dry weight) > more than the R6. > > If you can't tell the difference yet, you should not be riding these > motorcycles, or any other motorcycles for that matter. Hence the STEROIDS comment. How much do you expect "steroids" to feel like? 50 to 70% more isn't even "double" the HP/Torque. And that's at PEAK Torque, by your own words. It's not like you get on an R1 and say OMG this is twice as fast as an R6. why? cuz it's not. Yes its' a lot faster.. Is it a complete monster that will flip and kill all but one brave man? no. It's a machine. It will do what you tell it to do. It is user friendly, and that's why yam lovers love it, over the gsxrs and kaws that come out with more HP. I think i'm pretty well experienced in hitting and holding the gas to gauge what these bikes feel like. You're welcomed to come out at 4 a.m and ride with me to see LOL.. (yea flame me now lol) You tout all these numbers... I speak from experience.. and quote far more qualified a person who is in agreement with me. > >oh and ignore what people say.. such as "that little r6" "you look funny" > >etc. > >Make your choices on what you think.. not peer pressure. > > Danny has his moments - in a freak event of cosmic proportions, I agree with > him. Someone write this down. > > Sean Jordan > '93 CBR100F > www.jordanmotorsports.com lol you know.. I look at your posts.. and it's like you live in some sort of matrix, fighting , flipping, twisting , wrestling with reality. Danny Motorcycle 2003 gsxr 1000 2000 zx6r http://hopesalvage.home.comcast.net ebay user hopesalvage jordan family whooping boy LOL - 2000 zx9r -2003 636 -2005 zx10r -1995 zx6r -2001 gsxr 750 -1993 ex250 -2002 cmx250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 8 23:46:38 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:46:31 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Food for thought Just came across this collection... http://3banger.smugmug.com/gallery/210775/1 Something to think about when you're debating whether or not you want to wear shorts and a t-shirt or leather.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 00:34:03 2005 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:34:38 -0400 To: dl650@XXXXXX;, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Blumgart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Need Suzuki tuner... Wash DC area At 10:57 PM 9/8/2005 -0400, Bob McKeithen wrote: >Took the new DL650 back to the dealer where I purchased it for it's first >service. I was hoping they could fiddle the fuel injection to eliminate >the slight hesitation at steady throttle between 3000 and 5000 rpm. > >To make a long story short--when I made the appointment I was told they >had a Yoshimura box which is needed to fix the problem. Shop foreman says >they don't have one and that the F I is not adjustable. Then had a >conversation with the owner who basically shrugged his shoulders and said >"Oh well". > >I guess you figure out when I will be going back there. > >Can anyone suggest a shop in the Washington, DC metro area who is willing >and able to make this adjustment ? > >Bob What dealership performed your non-service, so I can be sure and not do business with them? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 00:35:53 2005 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike To: Dave Yates , "'Danny Motorcycle'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually we did have the tire thread sort of when i mentioned that I needed new tires in July and I asked about them. Ian --- Dave Yates wrote: > Danny: > Ah the ever popular "break in" thread! Preliminary > response before I > actually read the long content. (skipped ahead to > the question lol) > > [Dave] Actually, we haven't discussed tires at > length in some time, aren't > we overdue for the hoops thread? Was supposed to be > July I thought... > > I happen to like the 208zr's :-P > > Are we now supposed to insult one of the Jordans for > something that Sean > did? > > ;-) > > Dave > > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 07:56:12 2005 From: To: "ALEX MORSE" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] bike stands Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 7:55:46 -0400 I have the BikeGrab and *really* like it. www.bikegrab.com -aki > > From: "ALEX MORSE" > Date: 2005/09/08 Thu PM 10:34:01 EDT > To: > Subject: [dc-cycles] bike stands > > Hi All, > My new SV1000 is the first bike I've owned without a center stand so I'm now > in the market for a bike stand. Any suggestions? I noticed that the Cycle > Cat UCS1 got Motorcyclist Mag's product of the year but it looks a little > pricey at $200. > thanks for any help, > Alex > Adams-Morgan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 08:07:33 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:07:31 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] bike stands On 9/9/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > I have the BikeGrab and *really* like it. Now for the burning question - How much $ ? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 08:11:37 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:33:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] bike stands On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Michael Jordan wrote: > On 9/9/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > I have the BikeGrab and *really* like it. > > Now for the burning question - How much $ ? From the website that Aki posted ;-) it's listed at $189.95 (http://www.bike-lift.com/bikelift_usa.htm). I got lucky and bought mine from someone on the list for $100 :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 08:17:03 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:39:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? I met up with some friends last night for a ride and stopped by the B&N in Rockville. We weren't there long when a Harley rider collapsed while leaning against his bike. We called 911 while someone performed CPR, but he didn't appear to be breathing when the Paramedics arrived. He was there with a friend, who jumped on his bike and followed the ambulance to the hospital. We all hoped he would make it, but didn't know any other details. Did anyone on the list hear anything? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 08:26:00 2005 From: To: , Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] bike stands Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 8:25:40 -0400 http://www.cyclebitz.com/ has it for $179...but I've seen various places sell it for $150 to $175. I don't recall how much I paid for it (it was during a mindless spending blitz I went on for my bike a couple of years ago). I'm glad I got it though. It's been very handy. It's worth the cost. -aki > > From: Michael Jordan > Date: 2005/09/09 Fri AM 08:07:31 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] bike stands > > On 9/9/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > I have the BikeGrab and *really* like it. > > Now for the burning question - How much $ ? > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 08:36:56 2005 From: To: Wayne Edelen , Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] bike stands Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 8:36:38 -0400 > > From: Wayne Edelen > Date: 2005/09/09 Fri AM 08:33:39 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] bike stands > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > On 9/9/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I have the BikeGrab and *really* like it. > > > > Now for the burning question - How much $ ? > > From the website that Aki posted ;-) it's listed at $189.95 > (http://www.bike-lift.com/bikelift_usa.htm). > > I got lucky and bought mine from someone on the list for $100 :-) > > -- Wayne Yeah WAYNE! I remember that...I missed sending in my email to buy it by "this much".....damn... -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 10:12:47 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:12:08 -0400 I got there as people were giving him CPR. A friend who is a DC Police officer was helping and couldn't feel a pulse when the EMT took over and transported him to the Hospital. A couple of hours later the guys friend came back and was visibly very upset. Somebody asked him how his friend was doing and he just shook his head. The guy hopped on his buddies bike and headed up the road. Art -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? I met up with some friends last night for a ride and stopped by the B&N in Rockville. We weren't there long when a Harley rider collapsed while leaning against his bike. We called 911 while someone performed CPR, but he didn't appear to be breathing when the Paramedics arrived. He was there with a friend, who jumped on his bike and followed the ambulance to the hospital. We all hoped he would make it, but didn't know any other details. Did anyone on the list hear anything? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 10:25:46 2005 From: To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:25:26 -0400 aw CRAP! I just *hate* reading something like this. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. -aki > > From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > Date: 2005/09/09 Fri AM 10:12:08 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? > > I got there as people were giving him CPR. A friend who is a DC Police > officer was helping and couldn't feel a pulse when the EMT took over and > transported him to the Hospital. A couple of hours later the guys friend > came back and was visibly very upset. Somebody asked him how his friend was > doing and he just shook his head. The guy hopped on his buddies bike and > headed up the road. > > Art > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 8:39 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? > > I met up with some friends last night for a ride and stopped by the B&N in > Rockville. We weren't there long when a Harley rider collapsed while > leaning against his bike. We called 911 while someone performed CPR, but > he didn't appear to be breathing when the Paramedics arrived. > > He was there with a friend, who jumped on his bike and followed the > ambulance to the hospital. > > We all hoped he would make it, but didn't know any other details. Did > anyone on the list hear anything? > > -- Wayne > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 11:04:47 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:04:33 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/8/2005 10:00:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > The seller says nothing above 6900 RPM for the first > six hundred. The manual says: "avoid prolonged operation above 6900 RPMs > for the first six hundred. J. instructed me to << snip, you get the idea >> Follow the owners manual, they know a damn sight more about the bike they manufactured and have a lot more riding (no pun) on the outcome then a salesman (that may not even ride) or anyone else you are likely to know. In other words ride the damn thing. "Prolonged operation over 6900 RPM" ???? On an R1??? What warp speed would that result in? You are not going to damage the bike by riding it in anything resembling a sane manner. Also most accidents occur during the first 90 days of ownership, regardless of weather you have ridden before, it takes time to "become one" with any bike. AND, go for smooth not speed, the speed will come. Oh, and there will _always_ be places where a 600 will beat you, or a 250 for that matter. Stay safe and keep the shinny side more or less up. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 11:15:24 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:14:38 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/8/2005 7:33:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorpsychol@XXXXXX writes: > you can lower the rear end of the r1 by the adjustment of the spanner > nuts around the rear shock. Raise the nuts to the top of the shock to > lower the rear end. This might keep the bike from "leaning you > forward" as much, harder on to the bars. The shock is _not_ there to make you all comfy, it is there to keep the tire glued to the road. As such I would be _very_ careful about messing with it, you could screw up the bikes handling in a heartbeat. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 13:15:45 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:15:37 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike On 9/9/05, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Follow the owners manual, they know a damn sight more about the bike they > manufactured and have a lot more riding (no pun) on the outcome then a salesman > (that may not even ride) or anyone else you are likely to know. > In other words ride the damn thing. "Prolonged operation over 6900 RPM" ???? > On an R1??? What warp speed would that result in? You are not going to damage > the bike by riding it in anything resembling a sane manner. I'm not picking on Penguin, because several of you have mentioned it in various ways. But... The method I use of varying the RPMs constantly while still occaisionally wringing it out does on violate the ONE sentance Yamaha puts in the manuals about break in, which Pengiun had right with "Avoid prolonged operation over 6900 RPM". If it weren't supposed to do it during the breakin, they would have put "Do not exceed 6900 RPM". Just my additional 2 cents. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 14:09:49 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:09:40 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX He can always undo it. Check to see if those two spanner nuts are set to the bottom of the shock. If it is, then you might want to change that. It shouldn't be all the way to the bottom brand new. On 9/9/05, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/8/2005 7:33:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > motorpsychol@XXXXXX writes: > > > you can lower the rear end of the r1 by the adjustment of the spanner > > nuts around the rear shock. Raise the nuts to the top of the shock to > > lower the rear end. This might keep the bike from "leaning you > > forward" as much, harder on to the bars. > > The shock is _not_ there to make you all comfy, it is there to keep the tire > glued to the road. As such I would be _very_ careful about messing with it, > you could screw up the bikes handling in a heartbeat. > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 14:11:36 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:11:32 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike > Are we now supposed to insult one of the Jordans for something that Sean > did? As I recall, it was about how to break tires in properly... -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 14:22:27 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:22:25 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > you can lower the rear end of the r1 by the adjustment of the spanner > nuts around the rear shock. Raise the nuts to the top of the shock to > lower the rear end. This might keep the bike from "leaning you > forward" as much, harder on to the bars. If that doesn't do it - try swapping out the stock forks for an extended fork - springers are always popular ;-) What this will do for you is to increase the rake and trail of the bike. This will "slow down" steering, and provide increased straight-line stability. If it's merely a matter of physical comfort, try a set of "bar backs" or Heli-Bars to raise and/or move the bars back a bit. Either one is relatively inexpensive, easy to install, and easy to de-install, should you not like the result. I, personally, have had to give up on sportbikes due to stomach trouble (my stomach wants to occupy the same space as the gas tank). -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 15:10:40 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:32:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Michael Jordan wrote: > If it's merely a matter of physical comfort, try a set of "bar backs" > or Heli-Bars to raise and/or move the bars back a bit. Either one is > relatively inexpensive, easy to install, and easy to de-install, > should you not like the result. Best advice yet and from a Jordon, no less!!!!!! ;-) > I, personally, have had to give up on sportbikes due to stomach > trouble (my stomach wants to occupy the same space as the gas tank). :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 15:20:01 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:19:51 -0400 That's awful to hear. My condolences to his family and friends. Very sad. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:12:08 -0400 I got there as people were giving him CPR. A friend who is a DC Police officer was helping and couldn't feel a pulse when the EMT took over and transported him to the Hospital. A couple of hours later the guys friend came back and was visibly very upset. Somebody asked him how his friend was doing and he just shook his head. The guy hopped on his buddies bike and headed up the road. Art -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? I met up with some friends last night for a ride and stopped by the B&N in Rockville. We weren't there long when a Harley rider collapsed while leaning against his bike. We called 911 while someone performed CPR, but he didn't appear to be breathing when the Paramedics arrived. He was there with a friend, who jumped on his bike and followed the ambulance to the hospital. We all hoped he would make it, but didn't know any other details. Did anyone on the list hear anything? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 15:23:47 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:23:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , The first change I would make would be to get rid of those gawd-awful Dunlop SportMax's. You know those snakish tar lines in the road. Hit one of those and let the rear take a huge step to the left OR the right depending on the mood. The suggested pressure is 42 PSI which seems high for me. I am very hesitant about messing with the geometry of the bike - if anything I want the best handling possible. I will work on body position and try to get this right so my wrists aren't hammered. Thanks all for all the advice, I am thinking of a 200 or so mile ride early tomorrow. If anyone wants to join me, pipe up. I am not going to be putting me or anyone that wants to ride in moto madness...just a good cruise, maybe up and down Skyline drive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 15:24:35 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:24:11 -0400 That's funny I have the same disorder. LOL Art -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Michael Jordan wrote: > If it's merely a matter of physical comfort, try a set of "bar backs" > or Heli-Bars to raise and/or move the bars back a bit. Either one is > relatively inexpensive, easy to install, and easy to de-install, > should you not like the result. Best advice yet and from a Jordon, no less!!!!!! ;-) > I, personally, have had to give up on sportbikes due to stomach > trouble (my stomach wants to occupy the same space as the gas tank). :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 15:27:19 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Rob Keiser Cc: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Barnes and Noble - Heart attack? On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Rob Keiser wrote: > That's awful to hear. My condolences to his family and friends. > > Very sad. > > Rob Thanks for the update, Arthur. I'll echo Aki and Rob's condolences. I hope the guy made it, but it doesn't sound like it. :-( -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 16:43:30 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:43:22 -0400 >From: Danny Motorcycle >LOL here we go again. Indeed. >Maybe your 93 cbr would, but maybe tha'ts because >it's a heavy ass 93 cbr.. but we are talking about modern bikes. The laws of Physics, and how they relate to the way a motorcycle handles when steering geometry is changed, are constant, regardless of what year the motorcycle was built. >While its' true that "higher rear end" = "quicker steering" , also >keep in mind tire profile also means "quicker steering". Where do you >draw the line as in "how much quicker steering is enough". Do you >have to have your bike set at the most quickest steering possible? He >doesn't need his bike set up for JC. And how well is that "most >quickest steering" going to handle at higher speeds? like shite i'd >imagine. I never advised, or implied, that the motorcycle should be set-up for the "quickest steering possible." (Who needs to work on their reading comprehension?) I merely advised that he not lower the rear end. Typically bikes that have radically steep front end geometry, or are otherwise setup in such a way to steer very quickly, present the greatest challenges at lower speeds. Wheels, essentially gyroscopes, resist being turned off-axis, and this results in the motorcycle wanting to "stand-up" at speed. Ergo, at higher speeds, the bike is more stable. If the rider has no issues with quick steering at lower speeds, he will probably not have any issues at higher speeds. (However, a bike that steers very slowly at low speeds may become exceedingly resistant to directional change at high speed.) > > >That's another reason it feels like a 600. Now once > > >you get a power commander, full exhaust, and other mods, then you'll > > >see a huge difference.. >Before you go into your ranting drivel, I was saying He'll feel a >huge difference on his r1, from stock, to modded! DUH! Reading is >fundamental. Comprehension is key... Let me demonstrate a bit of comprehension for you, Danny. In the first sentence quoted directly above, you have constructed a simile in which the R1 is compared to a 600. The phrase "you'll see a huge difference" implies (requires!) that there be a comparison between two elements. In this specific context, you have established such a comparison - ". . .it [R1] feels like a 600"; as the only there have only been two variables defined, you must be talking about the difference between a modded R1 and a 600. This implies that for someone to notice a "huge difference" between an R1 and a 600, the aforementioned modications must be made. My reading comprehension is fine - it's your writing skills that need work. I think your oft-demonstrated and appalling ignorance of punctuation, coupled with the spelling ability of a cognitively-challenged, dyslexic chimp, would seem to bear this out. > > An 2004 R1 makes its peak torque around 10000 rpm, and peak horsepower > > around 12,750. The R6 makes peak torque at 12500 rpm and makes peak > > horsepower at 13,000 rpm. > > > > There is *no* way that the 1000 will feel like a 600 in regards to power > > delivery. > >Well first you're talking about peak rpms. I'm talking about overall. >good job Jimmy Neutron.. Actually, I was talking about power delivery. The fact that the R1 has a spread of 2750 rpm between its peak HP and torque, whereas the R6 has only a 500 rpm spread between the two values, speaks VOLUMES about the power delivery of the two bikes. Even at low revs, the R1 will pull considerably harder than the R6 - there is simply no comparison. Going back to my earlier discussion of stock vs. modded R1s, a huge difference already exists between a stock R1 and a 600 - if you look at the power delivery vs. the difference in chassis weight/dimensions, I don't see how anyone could reasonablecan be made. >Daekwon studies the R1 like he's trying to graduate college or >something.. drags knees all around summit and whatever else tracks he >goes to.. So I believe I have a credible 2nd oppinion that it feels >like an r6 on steroids. I know a guy that studied engineering like he was trying to graduate VT (and he was) and he ended up with a 1.8 GPA. I also know guys that have dragged their whole bodies at Summit Point. Does that necessarily qualify any of them as experts? stock, it's >comfy, yet manageable. Both bikes will flip you, or kill you if you >don't respect the throttle. >Sure the r1 has 50/70% more HP/Torque Peak.. but guess what.. bikes >arne't always running at PEAK. Look at the dyno charts: http://www.sportrider.com/features/146-0406-r1-dyno-1.jpg http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0408_comp_dyno/ Again, my comments were made within the context of DELIVERY, and not just outright peak numbers. What was that about reading comprehension? > >Furthermore, and adequate assessment regarding the "feel" of power > > delivery cannot be made until one rides the bike freely using the full >range > > of engine speeds. You don't need to get a power commander, full exhaust, >and > > other mods to "see a huge difference." > >LOL what the heck are you talking about? So what, I didn't use the >full range of engine speeds? LOL gee how did i get to 170 indicated >mph then! Daekwon magicly gets to top end in low rpms? lol I'm talking about the fact that JULIAN has not been riding the bike and revving it freely. So, Julian's assessment of the "feel" may change dramatically once he starts to open it up without restraint. >A modded bike will generally go like a bat out of hell in the >lower RPMS that the stock bike was going easy. This sentence could use a preposition, an adjective, and the tense seems to change from one to another. Maybe the fact that I am solely proficient in American Standard English is a problem. Does Berlitz have a class for whatever language it is that you have used here? >Hence the STEROIDS comment. How much do you expect "steroids" to feel >like? >50 to 70% more isn't even "double" the HP/Torque. And that's at PEAK >Torque, by your own words. It's not like you get on an R1 and say >OMG this is twice as fast as an R6. why? cuz it's not. Yes its' a >lot faster.. Is it a complete monster that will flip and kill all but >one brave man? no. It's a machine. It will do what you tell it to do. What?! What does this mean? I am unable to glean even a kernel of rational thought from this twisted abortion of a paragraph. When did I ever suggest that an R1 would behave in any way contrary to the inputs given by the rider? The first time I rode and R1, immediately after having ridden an R6, I could instantly tell that there was significantly more motor available, and this was at speeds of less than 40 mph. The low-end torque is considerable - there's no way I would ever mistake an R1 for and R6, or even walk away with the impression that they are similar. That's my point - and R1, in terms of outright power, AND THE WAY IN WHICH IT IS DELIVERED, is so far removed from an R6 as to be virtually incomparable. >It is user friendly, and that's why yam lovers love it, over the gsxrs >and kaws that come out with more HP. > I think i'm pretty well experienced in hitting and holding the gas >to gauge what these bikes feel like. Suuuuuure you are. The powerband of the GSXR-1000 is CONSIDERABLY more linear, and therefore more user friendly, than the R1. The R1 is revvy and peaky when compared to a GSXR-1000. Do some research, look at some dyno-charts - this is a well known fact. (I'll try and dig up the article in Roadracing World that discusses this.) Which one of your knee-dragging, doctoral-candidates gave you this impression? Or did you arrive at this woefully inaccurate conclusion all by yourself? >You tout all these numbers... I speak from experience.. and quote >far more qualified a person who is in agreement with me. Robert Heinlein once said (through Lazarus Long) "If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion." Judging by your comment that the R1 is more "user-friendly" than the GSXR, you and your "more qualified" friends seem to be way off base. (And to be specific, your comments about user-friendliness were made in the specific context of power delivery, and not overall considerations.) >ll you know.. I look at your posts.. and it's like you live in some >sort of matrix, fighting , flipping, twisting , wrestling with >reality. I suggest spending more time on your lamentable grasp of elementary composition before subjecting us to any more of your pathetic and awkwardly constructed rhetorical tropes. Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 16:54:36 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:54:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike "your oft-demonstrated and appalling ignorance of punctuation, coupled with the spelling ability of a cognitively-challenged, dyslexic chimp, would seem to bear this out" [Dave] There's a keeper. Reminds me of Anker... hey... wait a minute! ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 18:50:20 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:50:12 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Maybe your 93 cbr would, but maybe tha'ts because > >it's a heavy ass 93 cbr.. but we are talking about modern bikes. > > The laws of Physics, and how they relate to the way a motorcycle handles > when steering geometry is changed, are constant, regardless of what year the > motorcycle was built. You would think that wouldn't you? If one bike is an old peice of shyt, heavy, tank.. and another bike is light weight, optimized, flickable.. and you change the geometry of both.. one may be more responsive to the change.. one may cope better with the change.. so you may see a big difference one bike's change, and not such a difference in the other bikes change. We all know newer , lighter bikes handle better. I noticed you complete ignored my question of what bikes you actually made these changes, and tested these changes on, and if you had any experience riding either the r1 or the R6. You post all these numbers and figures.. and theories.. In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. > >While its' true that "higher rear end" = "quicker steering" , also > >keep in mind tire profile also means "quicker steering". Where do you > >draw the line as in "how much quicker steering is enough". Do you > >have to have your bike set at the most quickest steering possible? He > >doesn't need his bike set up for JC. And how well is that "most > >quickest steering" going to handle at higher speeds? like shite i'd > >imagine. > > I never advised, or implied, that the motorcycle should be set-up for the > "quickest steering possible." (Who needs to work on their reading > comprehension?) I merely advised that he not lower the rear end. Exactly, if he has tires that love to dive into the curve, then he can afford to modify his rake/trail for comfort, and add hi speed stability. > Typically bikes that have radically steep front end geometry, or are > otherwise setup in such a way to steer very quickly, present the greatest > challenges at lower speeds. Wheels, essentially gyroscopes, resist being > turned off-axis, and this results in the motorcycle wanting to "stand-up" at > speed. Ergo, at higher speeds, the bike is more stable. If the rider has no > issues with quick steering at lower speeds, he will probably not have any > issues at higher speeds. (However, a bike that steers very slowly at low > speeds may become exceedingly resistant to directional change at high > speed.) blah blah blah.. Resistance to change huh.. Resistance to change is going ot be relative to your speed period. If you're doing 150 mph, you're not going to be doing any quick directional changes anyway! What you will have is less headshake and tank slappers.. If you lower your rear end, and find it fine handling, then it only improves your faster speed handling. > > > >That's another reason it feels like a 600. Now once > > > >you get a power commander, full exhaust, and other mods, then you'll > > > >see a huge difference.. > > >Before you go into your ranting drivel, I was saying He'll feel a > >huge difference on his r1, from stock, to modded! DUH! Reading is > >fundamental. Comprehension is key... > > Let me demonstrate a bit of comprehension for you, Danny. In the first > sentence quoted directly above, you have constructed a simile in which the > R1 is compared to a 600. > > The phrase "you'll see a huge difference" implies (requires!) that there be > a comparison between two elements. In this specific context, you have > established such a comparison - ". . .it [R1] feels like a 600"; as the only > there have only been two variables defined, you must be talking about the > difference between a modded R1 and a 600. This implies that for someone to > notice a "huge difference" between an R1 and a 600, the aforementioned > modications must be made. bullshit. The first sentence is a completely different sentence. Did you miss a period? You see, sentences have periods, for what? TO SEPERATE IDEAS! Even though I made a comparison of a 600, in the prior sentence, we've moved on to a new sentence. Obviously when you modify something, and cmpare the difference, you're talking abvout the difference in whta you modified, and not some other object. That would be silly. Stop being silly. > My reading comprehension is fine - it's your writing skills that need work. > I think your oft-demonstrated and appalling ignorance of punctuation, > coupled with the spelling ability of a cognitively-challenged, dyslexic > chimp, would seem to bear this out. Hey you're the one who missed the period (like the town slut), and failed to recognize the seperation of ideas, as what periods are for. I don't think anyone else got confused. So that would lead me to believe it's you. Now let me ask you something, if i'm so ignorant and uneducated, why are you trying to use big fancy words to tell me something. Wouldn't that be self defeating? > > > An 2004 R1 makes its peak torque around 10000 rpm, and peak horsepower > > > around 12,750. The R6 makes peak torque at 12500 rpm and makes peak > > > horsepower at 13,000 rpm. > > > > > > There is *no* way that the 1000 will feel like a 600 in regards to power > > > delivery. > > > >Well first you're talking about peak rpms. I'm talking about overall. > >good job Jimmy Neutron.. > > Actually, I was talking about power delivery. The fact that the R1 has a Well you said peak! say what you mean! > spread of 2750 rpm between its peak HP and torque, whereas the R6 has only a > 500 rpm spread between the two values, speaks VOLUMES about the power > delivery of the two bikes. Even at low revs, the R1 will pull considerably > harder than the R6 - there is simply no comparison. There is no comparison eh? So riding at 55 mph and giving both bikes a little gas, the r6 is tame and the r1 is a monster huh.. noooo comparison. again I ask, how many miles have you ridden either bike? > Going back to my earlier discussion of stock vs. modded R1s, a huge > difference already exists between a stock R1 and a 600 - if you look at the > power delivery vs. the difference in chassis weight/dimensions, I don't see > how anyone could reasonablecan be made. How what? You talk about my spelling!/typos HYPOCRITE! What the hell was that? You really shouldn't argue against someones imperfect spelling/typos etc, it just shows how you're going off topic, and avoiding the facts. We all know we all make typos and errors.. and it's just silly to say "you can't even type or spell", when you do the same. > >Daekwon studies the R1 like he's trying to graduate college or > >something.. drags knees all around summit and whatever else tracks he > >goes to.. So I believe I have a credible 2nd oppinion that it feels > >like an r6 on steroids. > > I know a guy that studied engineering like he was trying to graduate VT (and > he was) and he ended up with a 1.8 GPA. I also know guys that have dragged > their whole bodies at Summit Point. Does that necessarily qualify any of > them as experts? Hell yes. I think that guy who actually drags around summit can speak from experience. > stock, it's > >comfy, yet manageable. Both bikes will flip you, or kill you if you > >don't respect the throttle. > >Sure the r1 has 50/70% more HP/Torque Peak.. but guess what.. bikes > >arne't always running at PEAK. > > Look at the dyno charts: > > http://www.sportrider.com/features/146-0406-r1-dyno-1.jpg > http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0408_comp_dyno/ blah blah.. look at 1/4 mile numbers.. look at top end numbers.. the r1 isn't even twice as fast as the R6. statistics don't lie.. but liars use statistics. > Again, my comments were made within the context of DELIVERY, and not just > outright peak numbers. What was that about reading comprehension? You always argue that I Imply things and try to run this straw man arguement on my behalf. It's pretty hilarious. I argue against the words you use, and then you want to switch it up, it's not what I say it's what I implied. You'd make a great politician. > > >Furthermore, and adequate assessment regarding the "feel" of power > > > delivery cannot be made until one rides the bike freely using the full > >range > > > of engine speeds. You don't need to get a power commander, full exhaust, > >and > > > other mods to "see a huge difference." > > > >LOL what the heck are you talking about? So what, I didn't use the > >full range of engine speeds? LOL gee how did i get to 170 indicated > >mph then! Daekwon magicly gets to top end in low rpms? lol > > I'm talking about the fact that JULIAN has not been riding the bike and > revving it freely. So, Julian's assessment of the "feel" may change > dramatically once he starts to open it up without restraint. okay I admit, I knew that, and was just jerking your chain LOL He still can make some comparisons. Just because you don't run two bikes in 5th gear at 12k rpm, doesn't mean you can't compare two bikes at 55 mph. > >A modded bike will generally go like a bat out of hell in the > >lower RPMS that the stock bike was going easy. > > This sentence could use a preposition, an adjective, and the tense seems to > change from one to another. Maybe the fact that I am solely proficient in > American Standard English is a problem. Does Berlitz have a class for > whatever language it is that you have used here? You know you're right, you make a very reasonablecan argument. LOL > >Hence the STEROIDS comment. How much do you expect "steroids" to feel > >like? > >50 to 70% more isn't even "double" the HP/Torque. And that's at PEAK > >Torque, by your own words. It's not like you get on an R1 and say > >OMG this is twice as fast as an R6. why? cuz it's not. Yes its' a > >lot faster.. Is it a complete monster that will flip and kill all but > >one brave man? no. It's a machine. It will do what you tell it to do. > > What?! What does this mean? I am unable to glean even a kernel of rational > thought from this twisted abortion of a paragraph. When did I ever suggest LOL I know you understood that just find. You don't understand short sentences? There are at least 8 sentences in there, but some how to you it's an aborted paragraph? I coulda' swore paragraphs only needed a minimum of 3 or 4 sentences. > that an R1 would behave in any way contrary to the inputs given by the > rider? The first time I rode and R1, immediately after having ridden an R6, > I could instantly tell that there was significantly more motor available, > and this was at speeds of less than 40 mph. The low-end torque is > considerable - there's no way I would ever mistake an R1 for and R6, or even > walk away with the impression that they are similar. That's my point - and > R1, in terms of outright power, AND THE WAY IN WHICH IT IS DELIVERED, is so > far removed from an R6 as to be virtually incomparable. Maybe you should have tried at speeds above 40 mph. Oh so you have road both. sorry with my reading comprehension failures, I completely missed that paragraph. > >It is user friendly, and that's why yam lovers love it, over the gsxrs > >and kaws that come out with more HP. > > > I think i'm pretty well experienced in hitting and holding the gas > >to gauge what these bikes feel like. > > Suuuuuure you are. lol okay you got me.. i've never ridden either, i don't ride fast, I don't own any bikes, in fact i don't even exist! > The powerband of the GSXR-1000 is CONSIDERABLY more linear, and therefore > more user friendly, than the R1. The R1 is revvy and peaky when compared to > a GSXR-1000. Do some research, look at some dyno-charts - this is a well > known fact. (I'll try and dig up the article in Roadracing World that > discusses this.) Which one of your knee-dragging, doctoral-candidates gave > you this impression? Or did you arrive at this woefully inaccurate > conclusion all by yourself? A couple of yamaha owners who do ride on the track, and who do ride their bikes insanely... they could take an r6 and make your cbr look like an f1 hurricane. Other yamaha owners say that all the time. I'm not a real big yamaha fan.. they're alright.. but i'm just reporting what they say. From what I see hear on the streets and magazines, the gsxr's are always "the hp beasts" and the yamaha owners say "yea but the yams are more overall better bikes because they handle better" blah blah. If you, not owning one, say they, who own and ride them are wrong, well let me polish your shoes oh mighty king. > >You tout all these numbers... I speak from experience.. and quote > >far more qualified a person who is in agreement with me. > > Robert Heinlein once said (through Lazarus Long) "If it can't be expressed > in figures, it is not science; it is opinion." How dare you . literally, literaturely, try to argue against my experience with fiction! Humph! > Judging by your comment that the R1 is more "user-friendly" than the GSXR, > you and your "more qualified" friends seem to be way off base. (And to be > specific, your comments about user-friendliness were made in the specific > context of power delivery, and not overall considerations.) Now hold on. Are you ,king of grammar, starting a sentence with a parenthesis, and the word "and" ??? Also you are specificly redundant. LOL > >ll you know.. I look at your posts.. and it's like you live in some > >sort of matrix, fighting , flipping, twisting , wrestling with > >reality. > > I suggest spending more time on your lamentable grasp of elementary > composition before subjecting us to any more of your pathetic and awkwardly > constructed rhetorical tropes. If you recognize they are rhetorical why do you keep responding? LOL FYI I just put down my thoughts. This is an email discussin group for the exchange of ideas. I'm not worried about typos, spelling, grammar, any of that. If you can't understand what I type, then it wasn't meant for you to do so. Being completely incapable of writing clearly and concisely, I am completely inept to ever writing proper intelligible english.. thank god for spell and grammer check... so that sometimes I can hide my secret LOL > Sean Jordan > '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 21:06:10 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:06:05 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: motorpsychol@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Cc: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Being completely incapable of writing clearly and concisely, I am completely > inept to ever writing proper intelligible english.. thank god for > spell and grammer check... so that sometimes I can hide my secret LOL They both failed on that last paragraph. Take it off list guys. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 9 21:23:04 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:22:57 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: 1st Impression of a Liter Bike Cc: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 9/9/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Being completely incapable of writing clearly and concisely, I am completely > > inept to ever writing proper intelligible english.. thank god for > > spell and grammer check... so that sometimes I can hide my secret LOL > > They both failed on that last paragraph. > > > Take it off list guys. Yes father > -- > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 10 16:32:36 2005 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:32:26 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-CYCLES , VStrom List , Long Distance Riders Subject: [dc-cycles] And you thought that deer were bad Heading west on US 50 in Virginny this afternoon traffic was dealing with an Emu that was running around loose. Deer will at least head into the bushes when given a chance - not this bird, though. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 10 20:50:00 2005 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/10/05 Another Nextel commercial?? ;) JK N.B. Four deer espied on last week's 400 mile romp thru VA/WV - lotsa braking, nothing untoward (happily). > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:32:26 -0400 > From: Michael Jordan > To: DC-CYCLES , VStrom List > , > Long Distance Riders > Subject: [dc-cycles] And you thought that deer were bad > > Heading west on US 50 in Virginny this afternoon traffic was dealing > with an Emu that was running around loose. > > Deer will at least head into the bushes when given a chance - not > this > bird, though. John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 11 06:59:23 2005 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 06:58:03 -0400 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: mojohand@XXXXXX From: Bob McKeithen X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.3.2 (20050629) at filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Suzuki Dealer I don't want to get into dealer bashing, but let's say it was a large multi-Asian brand store in Western Maryland. bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 11 20:08:24 2005 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:08:11 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Bob McKeithen Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suzuki Dealer Cc: mojohand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Coleman's is trying to rape a friend of mine.. needs clutches.. they're telling him $900. On 9/11/05, Bob McKeithen wrote: > I don't want to get into dealer bashing, but let's say it was a large > multi-Asian brand store in Western Maryland. > > bob > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 12 10:05:47 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:05:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Coming Soon to a theater near you: The World's Fastest Indian Coming Soon to a theater near you: The World's Fastest Indian Finally, one last screening and possibly the best so far: Giving his best performance in a decade, Anthony Hopkins stars in the true story of New Zealander Bert Munro, in Roger Donaldson's The World's Fastest Indian who invests some two decades building a 1920 Indian motorcycle. He then travels to the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah, where he sets the land-speed world record in the 1960s. Filled with an irrepressible sense of humour, Hopkins gives an astonishing performance, in a film that haws the potential to be the most talked about New Zealand film since Lord of the Rings. A deeply moving and enriching tale of ideals and perennial optimism, this film about a man refusing to give up on his dreams, is a classic tale of the real underdog, but is it not a tale of fiction. Donaldson's refreshingly authentic script, which he began writing in 1979, captures the spirit of a man deeply committed to fulfilling a life long dream while touching those he meets with his wit and deep humanity. Hopkins plays him with a rich gusto we rarely see and it's the kind of performance we miss from an actor who has played so many morose, quiet characters. A wonderfully exuberant, emotive and richly evocative work, The World's Fastest Indian is one of the best films of the year. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 12 10:17:30 2005 Subject: FW: [dc-cycles] Coming Soon to a theater near you: The World's Fastest Indian Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:19:09 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "Cybertwisties at your fingertips" , Looks really interesting, may have to spring for a babysitter to go see this one. Trailer bleow: http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment/0,,12252-4677155-300,00.html Cedric Bernescut CBR600F4 Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs Coming Soon to a theater near you: The World's Fastest Indian Finally, one last screening and possibly the best so far: Giving his best performance in a decade, Anthony Hopkins stars in the true story of New Zealander Bert Munro, in Roger Donaldson's The World's Fastest Indian who invests some two decades building a 1920 Indian motorcycle. He then travels to the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah, where he sets the land-speed world record in the 1960s. Filled with an irrepressible sense of humour, Hopkins gives an astonishing performance, in a film that haws the potential to be the most talked about New Zealand film since Lord of the Rings. A deeply moving and enriching tale of ideals and perennial optimism, this film about a man refusing to give up on his dreams, is a classic tale of the real underdog, but is it not a tale of fiction. Donaldson's refreshingly authentic script, which he began writing in 1979, captures the spirit of a man deeply committed to fulfilling a life long dream while touching those he meets with his wit and deep humanity. Hopkins plays him with a rich gusto we rarely see and it's the kind of performance we miss from an actor who has played so many morose, quiet characters. A wonderfully exuberant, emotive and richly evocative work, The World's Fastest Indian is one of the best films of the year. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 12 12:34:40 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me I got a new job a few weeks ago and am now parking in a slightly less perferred area. I used to park at M & 17th....great strip of free moto parking, relatively protected from cages, relatively safe, hardly ever full. Now, I'm parking at G & 15th.....smaller strip of free parking, a bit more of a target for cages, appears relatively safe, but if I'm not in by 8:30 I likely won't find a spot :( The other day, I resigned to parking at the very tail end of the free strip, but the bike was clearly leaning into the pedestrian walkway. Won't do that again! For $50, I should've just parked the thing in a metered zone and not put in any money and taken a smaller hit. Ok, I suppose there was no real reason for me sharing all that with you.... My question is.....along G street, I see bikes parked between the meters everyday. Sometimes they pull in head first (no clue why?), most of the time, they back in like they would park anywhere else, but they line the rear tire up within the few inches of empty space between the two meter heads. Obviously, this isn't exactly "legal". However, does anyone know how much this is frowned upon by the meter monitoring patrol units? Is it something you can likely get away through one patrol mission, but if they see the bike there again, they tag it? Or do they tend to overlook these bikes, doubtful as I am they'd do that? - Jimmy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 12 12:51:06 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:50:56 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In my casual forays along G St., I've noticed tickets on the bikes "between" the meters... not all the time, but often enough that I wouldn't park in those interstitial spaces unless absolutely necessary. On 9/12/05, James O'Connor wrote: > I got a new job a few weeks ago and am now parking in a slightly less > perferred area. I used to park at M & 17th....great strip of free > moto parking, relatively protected from cages, relatively safe, > hardly ever full. Now, I'm parking at G & 15th.....smaller strip of > free parking, a bit more of a target for cages, appears relatively > safe, but if I'm not in by 8:30 I likely won't find a spot :( > > The other day, I resigned to parking at the very tail end of the free > strip, but the bike was clearly leaning into the pedestrian walkway. > Won't do that again! For $50, I should've just parked the thing in a > metered zone and not put in any money and taken a smaller hit. Ok, I > suppose there was no real reason for me sharing all that with you.... > > My question is.....along G street, I see bikes parked between the > meters everyday. Sometimes they pull in head first (no clue why?), > most of the time, they back in like they would park anywhere else, > but they line the rear tire up within the few inches of empty space > between the two meter heads. Obviously, this isn't exactly "legal". > However, does anyone know how much this is frowned upon by the meter > monitoring patrol units? Is it something you can likely get away > through one patrol mission, but if they see the bike there again, > they tag it? Or do they tend to overlook these bikes, doubtful as I > am they'd do that? > > - Jimmy > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 12 15:59:33 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:02:47 -0400 From: "lister lynch" To: , "James O'Connor" Cc: This is true, they will ticket. Also, there used to be an enormous MC parking spot on NY Ave, just east of 14th St. before they started construction on a building there. If the construction is over, the spots may be back. The spot was like 50' long, free, and only 3 bikes parked there. Often, I would shush utility trucks out if there since it was such a big, open temptation for them. Eat breakfast somewhere else, buddy. Anyway, see if that parking is still there. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] To: James O'Connor Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me In my casual forays along G St., I've noticed tickets on the bikes "between" the meters... not all the time, but often enough that I wouldn't park in those interstitial spaces unless absolutely necessary. On 9/12/05, James O'Connor wrote: > I got a new job a few weeks ago and am now parking in a slightly less > perferred area. I used to park at M & 17th....great strip of free > moto parking, relatively protected from cages, relatively safe, > hardly ever full. Now, I'm parking at G & 15th.....smaller strip of > free parking, a bit more of a target for cages, appears relatively > safe, but if I'm not in by 8:30 I likely won't find a spot :( > > The other day, I resigned to parking at the very tail end of the free > strip, but the bike was clearly leaning into the pedestrian walkway. > Won't do that again! For $50, I should've just parked the thing in a > metered zone and not put in any money and taken a smaller hit. Ok, I > suppose there was no real reason for me sharing all that with you.... > > My question is.....along G street, I see bikes parked between the > meters everyday. Sometimes they pull in head first (no clue why?), > most of the time, they back in like they would park anywhere else, > but they line the rear tire up within the few inches of empty space > between the two meter heads. Obviously, this isn't exactly "legal". > However, does anyone know how much this is frowned upon by the meter > monitoring patrol units? Is it something you can likely get away > through one patrol mission, but if they see the bike there again, > they tag it? Or do they tend to overlook these bikes, doubtful as I > am they'd do that? > > - Jimmy > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 12 16:33:17 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:32:47 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] moto video it's big. Way big. 132MB but pretty neat-o. http://www.2sabres.com/HighCarl/TheLesson.mpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 12 16:43:02 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:42:54 -0400 Been a few yrs since I've worked there, but there was a handful the next block down on NY Ave, cross 13th. There's MC meter's at H & Vermont. More on Farragut Sq. There should be a list on the www.dccycles.com. I think it's under local riding. >From: "lister lynch" >To: , "James O'Connor" >CC: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me >Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:02:47 -0400 > >This is true, they will ticket. Also, there used to be an enormous MC >parking spot on NY Ave, just east of 14th St. before they started >construction on a building there. If the construction is over, the spots >may >be back. The spot was like 50' long, free, and only 3 bikes parked there. >Often, I would shush utility trucks out if there since it was such a big, >open temptation for them. Eat breakfast somewhere else, buddy. Anyway, >see >if that parking is still there. > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:51 PM >To: James O'Connor >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me > > >In my casual forays along G St., I've noticed tickets on the bikes >"between" the meters... not all the time, but often enough that I >wouldn't park in those interstitial spaces unless absolutely >necessary. > >On 9/12/05, James O'Connor wrote: > > I got a new job a few weeks ago and am now parking in a slightly less > > perferred area. I used to park at M & 17th....great strip of free > > moto parking, relatively protected from cages, relatively safe, > > hardly ever full. Now, I'm parking at G & 15th.....smaller strip of > > free parking, a bit more of a target for cages, appears relatively > > safe, but if I'm not in by 8:30 I likely won't find a spot :( > > > > The other day, I resigned to parking at the very tail end of the free > > strip, but the bike was clearly leaning into the pedestrian walkway. > > Won't do that again! For $50, I should've just parked the thing in a > > metered zone and not put in any money and taken a smaller hit. Ok, I > > suppose there was no real reason for me sharing all that with you.... > > > > My question is.....along G street, I see bikes parked between the > > meters everyday. Sometimes they pull in head first (no clue why?), > > most of the time, they back in like they would park anywhere else, > > but they line the rear tire up within the few inches of empty space > > between the two meter heads. Obviously, this isn't exactly "legal". > > However, does anyone know how much this is frowned upon by the meter > > monitoring patrol units? Is it something you can likely get away > > through one patrol mission, but if they see the bike there again, > > they tag it? Or do they tend to overlook these bikes, doubtful as I > > am they'd do that? > > > > - Jimmy > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 13 20:41:54 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:41:40 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: rich hall Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Got room for a bike cover? maybe cover your whole bike and little padlock thingee on it.. can't write ticket on a tag they cna't see. Metervulters probably won't go through the hassle of tryign to get the tag number. or.. Go into work early.. use that as your relaxation time.. eat breakfast there... less traffic.. better parking.. no brainer? or.. hmm I wonder what kind of trouble you could get into if you say.. put on your old paper tags while parked.. and took them off again.. "just so people couldn't get your tag number look up your address and steal your bike" :) I've got a friend who works parking enforcement if anyone has any specific questions.. he rides.. unfortunately he doesnt' work in that area. eaOn 9/12/05, rich hall wrote: > Been a few yrs since I've worked there, but there was a handful the next > block down on NY Ave, cross 13th. > There's MC meter's at H & Vermont. More on Farragut Sq. > There should be a list on the www.dccycles.com. I think it's under local > riding. > > >From: "lister lynch" > >To: , "James O'Connor" > >CC: > >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me > >Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:02:47 -0400 > > > >This is true, they will ticket. Also, there used to be an enormous MC > >parking spot on NY Ave, just east of 14th St. before they started > >construction on a building there. If the construction is over, the spots > >may > >be back. The spot was like 50' long, free, and only 3 bikes parked there. > >Often, I would shush utility trucks out if there since it was such a big, > >open temptation for them. Eat breakfast somewhere else, buddy. Anyway, > >see > >if that parking is still there. > > > >Mike > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:51 PM > >To: James O'Connor > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me > > > > > >In my casual forays along G St., I've noticed tickets on the bikes > >"between" the meters... not all the time, but often enough that I > >wouldn't park in those interstitial spaces unless absolutely > >necessary. > > > >On 9/12/05, James O'Connor wrote: > > > I got a new job a few weeks ago and am now parking in a slightly less > > > perferred area. I used to park at M & 17th....great strip of free > > > moto parking, relatively protected from cages, relatively safe, > > > hardly ever full. Now, I'm parking at G & 15th.....smaller strip of > > > free parking, a bit more of a target for cages, appears relatively > > > safe, but if I'm not in by 8:30 I likely won't find a spot :( > > > > > > The other day, I resigned to parking at the very tail end of the free > > > strip, but the bike was clearly leaning into the pedestrian walkway. > > > Won't do that again! For $50, I should've just parked the thing in a > > > metered zone and not put in any money and taken a smaller hit. Ok, I > > > suppose there was no real reason for me sharing all that with you.... > > > > > > My question is.....along G street, I see bikes parked between the > > > meters everyday. Sometimes they pull in head first (no clue why?), > > > most of the time, they back in like they would park anywhere else, > > > but they line the rear tire up within the few inches of empty space > > > between the two meter heads. Obviously, this isn't exactly "legal". > > > However, does anyone know how much this is frowned upon by the meter > > > monitoring patrol units? Is it something you can likely get away > > > through one patrol mission, but if they see the bike there again, > > > they tag it? Or do they tend to overlook these bikes, doubtful as I > > > am they'd do that? > > > > > > - Jimmy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 00:43:14 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:44:11 -0400 To: motorpsychol@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:41 PM 9/13/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Got room for a bike cover? maybe cover your whole bike and little >padlock thingee on it.. can't write ticket on a tag they cna't see. >Metervulters probably won't go through the hassle of tryign to get the >tag number. So maybe they invoke the "if it's on the street it has to be displaying a tag in a visible location" law and tow it instead? >or.. hmm I wonder what kind of trouble you could get into if you >say.. put on your old paper tags while parked.. and took them off >again.. "just so people couldn't get your tag number look up your >address and steal your bike" :) Invalid tag on a bike on the public street? Tow or boot? >I've got a friend who works parking enforcement if anyone has any >specific questions.. he rides.. unfortunately he doesnt' work in that >area. Ask him about the above. They *probably* wouldn't tow...but you never know. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 01:29:09 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:29:02 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking in DC - new spot for me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Will do. I do recall him saying something about if it's covered they don't take time to mess with someoen's property.. go through all that hassle.. and he did say something about they jsut write tickets on tag numbers.. unless no tag, then they go for the vin.. but i'll double check everything. On 9/14/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 08:41 PM 9/13/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >Got room for a bike cover? maybe cover your whole bike and little > >padlock thingee on it.. can't write ticket on a tag they cna't see. > >Metervulters probably won't go through the hassle of tryign to get the > >tag number. > > So maybe they invoke the "if it's on the street it has to be displaying a > tag in a visible location" law and tow it instead? > > >or.. hmm I wonder what kind of trouble you could get into if you > >say.. put on your old paper tags while parked.. and took them off > >again.. "just so people couldn't get your tag number look up your > >address and steal your bike" :) > > Invalid tag on a bike on the public street? Tow or boot? > > >I've got a friend who works parking enforcement if anyone has any > >specific questions.. he rides.. unfortunately he doesnt' work in that > >area. > > Ask him about the above. They *probably* wouldn't tow...but you never know. > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 09:13:14 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:12:46 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] coffee, soup, burgers, bbq ribs, fried chicken and jelly donuts The most common foods found in car wrecks: coffee, hot soup, hamburgers, barbeque ribs, fried chicken and jelly donuts. And noteworthy is the parent who voiced a desire for "a stiff drink" before riding with her son/daughter - good example, eh! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/13/AR2005091302143.html Teen Drivers Taught to Be Cool In the 'Hot Zone' By Courtland Milloy Wednesday, September 14, 2005; B01 My 15-year-old son received his learner's permit this summer, and I immediately went searching for a crash-prevention clinic. One that caught my eye featured a six-hour course that taught students how to "thread the needle," maneuver through a "roll-on, roll-off slalom" and execute "threshold braking" on an oil slick. It was called "New Driver Car Control: Kamikaze to Competent." Only after signing up did I learn that parents were expected to witness this transformation while riding shotgun. "Remember, parents, no talking to the drivers when they're in the hot zone," one of the professional driving coaches said at the start of the clinic. The "hot zone" was an obstacle course with orange cones on a blacktop parking lot at the Rosecroft Raceway in Fort Washington. About two dozen teens chauffeured their parents to the course Saturday, and the driving coaches congratulated us for "showing your children how much you care." Then again, if we really cared, would we ever let a child get behind the wheel of a car in Washington area traffic? A recent study by Allstate Insurance Co. found that the District is the most dangerous place to drive in the country. The study found that, on average, a driver in Washington crashes every 5.2 years, while a driver in, say, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, only crashes once every 15 years. AAA has noted that the Washington area is "gridlocked with the third-worst congestion in the nation" and that the situation is made worse by "the deterioration in driver attitudes, with a regional epidemic of aggressive, reckless driving." Students at the driving course, which is run by New Driver Car Control Clinic, had attended a two-hour classroom discussion of vehicle dynamics and human behavior in emergency situations. They were told that teenagers represent only 7 percent of licensed drivers but are involved in 22 percent of highway deaths. The obstacle course would present them with a series of braking and steering challenges and a chance to feel the adrenaline in controlled emergency situations. "Anyplace around here to get a stiff drink?" a mother asked before the exercises began. The slalom roll wasn't so bad, just a bunch of rolling figure eights around a row of orange cones. "Threading the needle" was a steering exercise that duplicated a careful drive in a store parking lot, with simulated parking in tight spaces. This was most helpful but not nearly as exciting for the drivers as "stop in a box." That exercise taught the kids how to achieve major directional change quickly and under control while bringing the car to a rapid halt -- on an oil slick that the coaches had spilled. "All accidents are caused by one thing," a coach said. "The inability to stop in time." Students were told not to be afraid of anti-lock brakes, to slam them on and hold them down as if a 3-year-old child had suddenly run in front of the car. "You must get used to the feeling of an abrupt stop," the coach said, adding that some students become so emotionally shaken by inertia, the dipping of the hood and rising of the trunk, that they let up on the brake and start crying after realizing that they'd run over the imaginary 3-year-old. Students were urged to stay focused on the road and were cautioned against using cell phones or eating or drinking while driving. Foods and beverages most commonly found at the scene of automobile accidents include coffee, hot soup, hamburgers, barbeque ribs, fried chicken and jelly donuts, according to the coaches. The list caused some teenagers to roll their eyes at parents who pretended not to know why. "Hopefully, you'll never need to use some of the things you've learned today because if you do, it means you've come upon a dangerous situation," a coach said. "And don't think that completing this course means that you know how to drive, either. You don't know squat about driving. It's going to take another 15 years before you really know what you're doing." By now, most of the teenagers were preoccupied with the driving certificates they'd received, and you could almost see the coach's words going in one ear and out the other. E-mailmilloyc@XXXXXX © 2005 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 10:01:25 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:01:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] coffee, soup, burgers, bbq ribs, fried chicken and jelly donuts To: chris01@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles I teach a Decisive Driver Education class that's very simialar to this class...it's alot of fun to teach. Good Read!! Nick --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > The most common foods found in car wrecks: coffee, > hot soup, hamburgers, barbeque ribs, fried chicken > and jelly donuts. > > And noteworthy is the parent who voiced a desire for > "a stiff drink" before riding with her son/daughter > - good example, eh! > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/13/AR2005091302143.html > > Teen Drivers Taught to Be Cool In the 'Hot Zone' > > By Courtland Milloy > Wednesday, September 14, 2005; B01 > > My 15-year-old son received his learner's permit > this summer, and I immediately went searching for a > crash-prevention clinic. One that caught my eye > featured a six-hour course that taught students how > to "thread the needle," maneuver through a "roll-on, > roll-off slalom" and execute "threshold braking" on > an oil slick. > > It was called "New Driver Car Control: Kamikaze to > Competent." Only after signing up did I learn that > parents were expected to witness this transformation > while riding shotgun. > > "Remember, parents, no talking to the drivers when > they're in the hot zone," one of the professional > driving coaches said at the start of the clinic. > > The "hot zone" was an obstacle course with orange > cones on a blacktop parking lot at the Rosecroft > Raceway in Fort Washington. About two dozen teens > chauffeured their parents to the course Saturday, > and the driving coaches congratulated us for > "showing your children how much you care." > > Then again, if we really cared, would we ever let a > child get behind the wheel of a car in Washington > area traffic? > > A recent study by Allstate Insurance Co. found that > the District is the most dangerous place to drive in > the country. The study found that, on average, a > driver in Washington crashes every 5.2 years, while > a driver in, say, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, only crashes > once every 15 years. > > AAA has noted that the Washington area is > "gridlocked with the third-worst congestion in the > nation" and that the situation is made worse by "the > deterioration in driver attitudes, with a regional > epidemic of aggressive, reckless driving." > > Students at the driving course, which is run by New > Driver Car Control Clinic, had attended a two-hour > classroom discussion of vehicle dynamics and human > behavior in emergency situations. They were told > that teenagers represent only 7 percent of licensed > drivers but are involved in 22 percent of highway > deaths. The obstacle course would present them with > a series of braking and steering challenges and a > chance to feel the adrenaline in controlled > emergency situations. > > "Anyplace around here to get a stiff drink?" a > mother asked before the exercises began. > > The slalom roll wasn't so bad, just a bunch of > rolling figure eights around a row of orange cones. > "Threading the needle" was a steering exercise that > duplicated a careful drive in a store parking lot, > with simulated parking in tight spaces. This was > most helpful but not nearly as exciting for the > drivers as "stop in a box." That exercise taught the > kids how to achieve major directional change quickly > and under control while bringing the car to a rapid > halt -- on an oil slick that the coaches had > spilled. > > "All accidents are caused by one thing," a coach > said. "The inability to stop in time." > > Students were told not to be afraid of anti-lock > brakes, to slam them on and hold them down as if a > 3-year-old child had suddenly run in front of the > car. "You must get used to the feeling of an abrupt > stop," the coach said, adding that some students > become so emotionally shaken by inertia, the dipping > of the hood and rising of the trunk, that they let > up on the brake and start crying after realizing > that they'd run over the imaginary 3-year-old. > > Students were urged to stay focused on the road and > were cautioned against using cell phones or eating > or drinking while driving. Foods and beverages most > commonly found at the scene of automobile accidents > include coffee, hot soup, hamburgers, barbeque ribs, > fried chicken and jelly donuts, according to the > coaches. > > The list caused some teenagers to roll their eyes at > parents who pretended not to know why. > > "Hopefully, you'll never need to use some of the > things you've learned today because if you do, it > means you've come upon a dangerous situation," a > coach said. "And don't think that completing this > course means that you know how to drive, either. You > don't know squat about driving. It's going to take > another 15 years before you really know what you're > doing." > > By now, most of the teenagers were preoccupied with > the driving certificates they'd received, and you > could almost see the coach's words going in one ear > and out the other. > > E-mailmilloyc@XXXXXX > > © 2005 The Washington Post Company > > > www.exhaust.tv __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 10:18:38 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:18:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Subject: [dc-cycles] want to look at a 1988 -- 1990 virago 750 Hi…anyone got a 1988 -- 1990 Virago 750 I can look at? The one I’m trying to fix was damaged in an attempted theft, and some of the electrics under the seat got melted/vaporized, and my manual doesn’t entirely match what’s there. So, I want to see what color wires go to which relays. Involves my looking under the seat (or you could look and tell me), but not removing any electrical components. I’m in mid-dc and have wheels, but closer is definitely better. Thanks. --garcia "[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy." ---Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) Referring to Clinton's Kosovo actions. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 10:53:40 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:54:00 -0400 To: , "List-dc cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] coffee, soup, burgers, bbq ribs, fried chicken and jelly donuts At 09:12 AM 9/14/05 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/13/AR200509130 2143.html > >Teen Drivers Taught to Be Cool In the 'Hot Zone' > >By Courtland Milloy >Wednesday, September 14, 2005; B01 >A recent study by Allstate Insurance Co. found that the District is the most >dangerous place to drive in the country. The study found that, on average, a >driver in Washington crashes every 5.2 years, while a driver in, say, Cedar >Rapids, Iowa, only crashes once every 15 years. So I should have crashed about 5 times since I moved here 25 years ago? Better start acting stupid like the average D.C. area driver...I'm way behind... >AAA has noted that the Washington area is "gridlocked with the third-worst >congestion in the nation" and that the situation is made worse by "the >deterioration in driver attitudes, with a regional epidemic of aggressive, >reckless driving." I agree with that! It's not the only problem though. Lack of understanding of physics, ignorance of the law, and a plethora of driving styles from all over the world mixing in a limited area are other major causes of what we see every day. Selective enforcement has also resulted in a lack of respect for the law...I see people breaking laws in full view of the police all the time, and the police ignore them (I saw a guy tailgating a marked police cruiser on I-270 at at least 65mph in the 55 zone last week for instance). That encourages lawlessness, and to the extent that the law is there to prevent accidents, we get more, and worse, accidents from such violations. >"All accidents are caused by one thing," a coach said. "The inability to stop >in time." That's bullshit. Accident investigators will usually describe a whole chain of events that lead to an accident. Remove any of the links and you don't get an accident. Take the typical rear-ender in a sudden traffic slowdown. Is it caused by "the inability to stop in time"? Sort of, but not really. Yes, the car hitting from behind failed to stop in time, but that's only the end result, not the cause. The actual cause is following too close, driver inattention or distraction, or other such factor. The following too close problem may be the fault of the driver doing the hitting, or it could be a result of someone cutting into the space in front of him and taking away his following distance just prior to the accident. In most cases you will find that some violation of an existing traffic regulation (like following too close, unsafe lane change, driving while impaired, failure to maintain the vehicle properly, acting like an asshat, etc.) is also involved...and is usually the actual first link in the chain of events leading to the accident. I don't think there's any single cause of *all* accidents...not even at the vague and general level of "human error", since there's also "mechanical failure" that contributes to the total...not all of which results from human error. Some mechanical failure is just due to human limitations. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 13:56:56 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:56:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? I remember a couple years ago there was a talk about getting a small warehouse or shop space and splitting it between various listers who would prefer to keep or work on their bikes in garage/shop but just don't have access to one at home. Did anything ever happen with the idea? Too hard to organize? Well, I find myself in a simular situation. I am coming back to Washington DC at the end of the month and I will have an Austin Mini 1275 and two motorcycles in need of storage. I could get a public storage spot - and have done it before - but it would be a whole lot nicer to have a shop type of space, especially since I plan to possibly do substantial work to one of the bikes and maybe the car too. I have some tools (plan on getting more) and don't mind sharing them with responsible people. Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 15:22:48 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm in depending on where it is. I just signed up for a 5x10 near my house this morning since one of the current roomies doesn't want to give up 1/2 the garage. I've got a couple bikes, tools and spares that need a home. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 19:10:57 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:10:36 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Alternative Fuels Rundown A nice rundown with a large list of pros and cons: The New Prize: Alternative Fuels http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/business/10alternative.html Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Waiting for nuclear Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 20:58:34 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:58:25 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX How much was the 5x10? (just curious) back to the garage/warehouse idea, I'd be interested in going in, if It would be acceptable that I (or we) could use the address to apply for a m/c dealers license, as the repair facility. I don't want an actual dealership or any customers coming by (unless that's something you'd want to do), I just want the license to go to auctions and buy bikes ( I prefer to sell on ebay). Most dealer licenses for that require "zoned non-residential repair facilities". Also wouldn't mind "going in" on that where we share the cost/use of the license, if anyone else is interested in that. I have my own tools.. probably do most of my work/storage at home though.. might store a bike there, if i'm paying for the space anyway. I'd also be willing to contribute the use of a van to my co-occupants, and leave it parked there if you guys wanted it there. (plan on buying something newer for myself anyway) I'm just in it for the dealership license application as 'repair facility', and alloted bike storage - "can only store x amount of bikes" or "can only use "this space as yours for storage".. and whatever the benifits/terms are.. and whatever else rules there are to follow. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 14 23:24:20 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd be in as well if for nothing else than to benefit from all you guys knowledge and lend a helping hand wherever I can. I've been thinking of a change in jobs in general and this might be a nice way to start learning new things. But really I don't know where the money would come from. But keep me in the loop something usually works out at some point for me. Ian __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 08:15:14 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:17:15 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Oh the discrimination Only the rate for the Cars was increased. The motorcycle rate remains .30.5. XXX Financial Specialist Budget Division -----Original Message----- From: Custer, Carl Subject: RE: Increase in POV Fare That apply to motorcycles too? -----Original Message----- From: xxx To: Subject: Increase in POV Fare Effective September 1, 2005, until further notice, the POV reimbursement cost will be .485 cents. Budget will be issuing a notice shortly. Thank you, xxx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 10:04:00 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:03:53 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: "Custer, Carl" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Oh the discrimination Cc: DCCycles Carl, thanks for the good news. I was unaware that motorcycles are going to get a special rebate on the price at the pump. No doubt the gumbint will get right on that, since they're not going to raise the reimbursement rate. Filled up for $3.699 in the Adirondacks over the weekend. On 9/15/05, Custer, Carl wrote: > Only the rate for the Cars was increased. The motorcycle rate remains > .30.5. > > XXX > Financial Specialist > Budget Division > > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 5:29 PM > Subject: RE: Increase in POV Fare > > That apply to motorcycles too? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xxx > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:45 PM > To: > Subject: Increase in POV Fare > Importance: High > > Effective September 1, 2005, until further notice, > the POV reimbursement cost will be .485 cents. Budget will be issuing a > notice shortly. Thank you, > > xxx > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 11:46:02 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For $400/mo I've located at 15x20 with drive up/garage access at 395 and Edsal in the industrial park. These things go SUPER quick. So if anyone wants to come in, better pipe up before we lose it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 13:09:42 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:09:34 -0400 From: Radio Waves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? On 9/15/05, matthew patton wrote: > For $400/mo I've located at 15x20 with drive up/garage access at 395 > and Edsal in the industrial park. These things go SUPER quick. So if > anyone wants to come in, better pipe up before we lose it. This is a very interesting idea. I've got a bike that needs a good home, and both it and my car are in need of a place to be worked on. For me, the shop space is more enticing than the storage. $400/mo sounds pretty reasonable given you could probably fit upwards of 10 people's bikes in there and still have room for a shop space. For $50-ish a month, I'd be all over this; I'd probably save that much just doing a couple brake jobs a year on my car vs. taking it to a shop. The question is, though, how to set such a thing up so that no one gets screwed. Either everyone needs to be good friends/have lots of blind trust, or there needs to be a reasonable contract and set of rules drafted up. I could live with that, but maybe it would make the whole thing just too much of a hassle for some. Thoughts? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 14:17:33 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:17:25 -0400 The only question that comes to mind, (besides the obvious mentioned below), is if there's any zoning issues with hazardous materials? -aki > > From: Radio Waves > Date: 2005/09/15 Thu PM 01:09:34 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? > > On 9/15/05, matthew patton wrote: > > For $400/mo I've located at 15x20 with drive up/garage access at 395 > > and Edsal in the industrial park. These things go SUPER quick. So if > > anyone wants to come in, better pipe up before we lose it. > > This is a very interesting idea. I've got a bike that needs a good > home, and both it and my car are in need of a place to be worked on. > For me, the shop space is more enticing than the storage. $400/mo > sounds pretty reasonable given you could probably fit upwards of 10 > people's bikes in there and still have room for a shop space. > > For $50-ish a month, I'd be all over this; I'd probably save that much > just doing a couple brake jobs a year on my car vs. taking it to a > shop. The question is, though, how to set such a thing up so that no > one gets screwed. Either everyone needs to be good friends/have lots > of blind trust, or there needs to be a reasonable contract and set of > rules drafted up. I could live with that, but maybe it would make the > whole thing just too much of a hassle for some. > > Thoughts? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 14:20:38 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:20:28 -0400 From: Herb To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Alexandria Police Host Motorcycle Rodeo This Weekend Subject: Police Host Motorcycle Rodeo This Weekend ALEXANDRIA POLICE DEPARTMENT Public Information Office 2003 Mill Road Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.838.4636 MEDIA ADVISORY FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 Alexandria Police Host Motorcycle Rodeo This Weekend This weekend dozens of police motorcycle officers from throughout the Eastern United States will be in Alexandria at the 26th annual Police Motorcycle Riding and Safety Competition, better known as the Motorcycle Rodeo. The two-day event will challenge the skills of the best motor officers on a closed course at Cameron Run Regional Park at 4001 Eisenhower Avenue. Competition begins Friday afternoon, September 16, and the official opening ceremony will be at 8 a.m. on Saturday, September 17. Competition will continue until 4 p.m. on Saturday. The event is sponsored by the Mid-Atlantic Police Motorcycle Riding Committee and is hosted by the Alexandria Police Department. Officers from the Alexandria, Arlington, Fairfax County, Fairfax City, Prince William, Montgomery, U.S. Park, U.S. Capitol and Metropolitan police departments are among those competing. A 2005 Harley-Davidson motorcycle will be raffled off to benefit Concerns Of Police Survivors, a support group for families of fallen officers; raffle tickets are $10. The rodeo is free and open to all. For more information, please visit www.mapmrc.com. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 15:37:14 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Cashioli Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? To: radiowaves@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I an definitely interested, I have tools, knowledge, and I hate to have to work on the street. Thanks, Dennis 86 VF1000R --- Radio Waves wrote: > On 9/15/05, matthew patton > wrote: > > For $400/mo I've located at 15x20 with drive > up/garage access at 395 > > and Edsal in the industrial park. These things go > SUPER quick. So if > > anyone wants to come in, better pipe up before we > lose it. > > This is a very interesting idea. I've got a bike > that needs a good > home, and both it and my car are in need of a place > to be worked on. > For me, the shop space is more enticing than the > storage. $400/mo > sounds pretty reasonable given you could probably > fit upwards of 10 > people's bikes in there and still have room for a > shop space. > > For $50-ish a month, I'd be all over this; I'd > probably save that much > just doing a couple brake jobs a year on my car vs. > taking it to a > shop. The question is, though, how to set such a > thing up so that no > one gets screwed. Either everyone needs to be good > friends/have lots > of blind trust, or there needs to be a reasonable > contract and set of > rules drafted up. I could live with that, but maybe > it would make the > whole thing just too much of a hassle for some. > > Thoughts? > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 16:00:28 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:00:27 -0400 From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh I am thinking about taking a ride up to Pittsburgh for the weekend. I'm thinking about taking Rt 40 through MD and up to Washington PA. Has anybody taken that road, that far? Any idea on how long it will take? Any suggestions for other routes? Thanks Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 16:19:07 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:18:56 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh > I am thinking about taking a ride up to Pittsburgh for the weekend. I'm > thinking about taking Rt 40 through MD and up to Washington PA. Has anybody > taken that road, that far? Any idea on how long it will take? I haven't been up there for a few years, but remember 40 as a nice road. As an added attraction (if you're into architecture), if you hang a right at Farmington onto PA 381, you will come to the Wright house "Fallingwater" about 10 miles up the road. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 16:21:11 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:21:04 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh > Any idea on how long it will take? Sorry - Streets & Trips says 244 miles and 4.25 hours -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 17:28:28 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:28:12 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh To: richardw@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO My folks live 60 miles South of Pittsburgh. It takes me 3.5 hours to get to their house so, figure another hour to Pittsburgh. Enjoy, should be a nice ride. Scooter In a message dated 9/15/2005 4:00:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, richardw@XXXXXX writes: I am thinking about taking a ride up to Pittsburgh for the weekend. I'm thinking about taking Rt 40 through MD and up to Washington PA. Has anybody taken that road, that far? Any idea on how long it will take? Any suggestions for other routes? Thanks Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 18:05:15 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Alexandria Police Host Motorcycle Rodeo This Weekend Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:08:35 -0400 From: "lister lynch" To: , Happened to pass there today and stopped to watch them practice. Very impressive. Some guys were totally dragging hard parts all the way through the obstacles. Asked at one trailer if they had the course dimensions, but they said, "No, the course was setup by the time I got here at 6:00 AM." If anyone knows the authorities responsible, getting the dimensions of the course would be awesome. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Herb [mailto:nomad05@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Alexandria Police Host Motorcycle Rodeo This Weekend Subject: Police Host Motorcycle Rodeo This Weekend ALEXANDRIA POLICE DEPARTMENT Public Information Office 2003 Mill Road Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.838.4636 MEDIA ADVISORY FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 Alexandria Police Host Motorcycle Rodeo This Weekend This weekend dozens of police motorcycle officers from throughout the Eastern United States will be in Alexandria at the 26th annual Police Motorcycle Riding and Safety Competition, better known as the Motorcycle Rodeo. The two-day event will challenge the skills of the best motor officers on a closed course at Cameron Run Regional Park at 4001 Eisenhower Avenue. Competition begins Friday afternoon, September 16, and the official opening ceremony will be at 8 a.m. on Saturday, September 17. Competition will continue until 4 p.m. on Saturday. The event is sponsored by the Mid-Atlantic Police Motorcycle Riding Committee and is hosted by the Alexandria Police Department. Officers from the Alexandria, Arlington, Fairfax County, Fairfax City, Prince William, Montgomery, U.S. Park, U.S. Capitol and Metropolitan police departments are among those competing. A 2005 Harley-Davidson motorcycle will be raffled off to benefit Concerns Of Police Survivors, a support group for families of fallen officers; raffle tickets are $10. The rodeo is free and open to all. For more information, please visit www.mapmrc.com. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 15 23:55:21 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Motorcop exercise range I went over there tonight and documented the range. Anyone want the 31kb GIF with the dimensions? Yahoo Photo's only takes JPG which makes the file 87kb. See http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/pattonme/album?.dir=42e9. I measured off using paces so it's not completely accurate but I think it's darn close. I don't know the path of travel on a couple of them but I can make some guesses at it. Units are in feet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 16 07:28:57 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:28:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 40 is pretty straight (read boring) though. If you have plenty of time I would think about headed out US 50 and then heading north in Grafton and maybe picking up I-79 if you run out of time. Glenn --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I am thinking about taking a ride up to Pittsburgh > for the weekend. I'm > thinking about taking Rt 40 through MD and up to > Washington PA. Has anybody > taken that road, that far? Any idea on how long it > will take? > > Any suggestions for other routes? > > Thanks > Rich > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 16 08:17:18 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:17:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , It is either 381 or 481 that is a nice windy road that takes you past OhioPyle and then Falling Water. Some great hills and the highway that runs through Cumberland, MD has some interesting stretches as well. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh > I am thinking about taking a ride up to Pittsburgh for the weekend. > I'm thinking about taking Rt 40 through MD and up to Washington PA. > Has anybody taken that road, that far? Any idea on how long it will take? I haven't been up there for a few years, but remember 40 as a nice road. As an added attraction (if you're into architecture), if you hang a right at Farmington onto PA 381, you will come to the Wright house "Fallingwater" about 10 miles up the road. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 16 09:22:28 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:22:20 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] moto-cop ranges So this morning I swung by the range again with a tape measure to check some of my numbers and had a chat with a couple officers instead. And also learned that the courses are all on the 'net. Natch. http://www.mapmrc.com/Courses/courses.htm and more at http://www.jaxpolicemotorcycle.com/challenge/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 16 10:10:15 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ok, the response to this has been seriously underwhelming. I need 3 principles to make the 15x20 work. I know there are a quite a number of aprt/th dwellers on this list. Does anybody work on their bikes? Do you all use the sidewalk? 2 of us have quite a collection of tools. I have a tire changer and a lift. I'm thinking of getting a compressor again. If anybody wants to just store their bike for the winter season I'm sure we can accomodate a handful for a straight monthly fee. I have a hold on the unit. But that will evaporate in a few days. I need to know who is SERIOUS about putting money down and going forward with it. The cost with 3 people is $125/mo. 5 would be better. I don't want too many people and I don't want to get into the whole tiers of membership sort of thing if I can avoid it. I gotta know. If by Tuesday I don't have a headcount I'll be forced to let the unit go. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 16 12:51:32 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:50:50 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh To: julian@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO That would be 68 through Cumberland. My usual route home to PA is 270 - 70 - 68 - 40 (exit14B). Getting off on 40 at that exit puts you within a few miles of Fallingwater. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton To: mjordan812@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh It is either 381 or 481 that is a nice windy road that takes you past OhioPyle and then Falling Water. Some great hills and the highway that runs through Cumberland, MD has some interesting stretches as well. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pittsburgh > I am thinking about taking a ride up to Pittsburgh for the weekend. > I'm thinking about taking Rt 40 through MD and up to Washington PA. > Has anybody taken that road, that far? Any idea on how long it will take? I haven't been up there for a few years, but remember 40 as a nice road. As an added attraction (if you're into architecture), if you hang a right at Farmington onto PA 381, you will come to the Wright house "Fallingwater" about 10 miles up the road. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 17 12:57:18 2005 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:58:38 -0400 From: corey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage? X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0537-2, 09/16/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean i'll be in need of winter storage this year... but $50/month is my max ___________________________________________ corey [journal] www.egoinc.org [portfolio] www.blanksky.com [forum] www.dcstreet.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 17 14:26:05 2005 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 14:26:13 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] bought the sv I bought the SV650 in Leesburg today. Tires were flat when I got there, but I believe that was from sitting around for three years. Filled them up, got gas, and was on my way. Handles very well on gravel roads. Decent torque, easy to steer, strong brakes. A simple, fun ride, and very much worth the money I paid. Now for a nice exhaust, better mirrors, and some new rubber. All in good time. http://www.troutman.org/sv650 (not much there at the moment) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 17 23:55:53 2005 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/17/05 Good for you MT. Nice having two bikes in the garage isnt it?? :) Red and blue look nice together. I like the lil SV. A buddy has one and it is soo easy to throw that thing around curves. JK > From: Mike Troutman > To: DCCycles > Subject: [dc-cycles] bought the sv > > I bought the SV650 in Leesburg today. Tires were flat when I got > there, > but I believe that was from sitting around for three years. Filled > them > up, got gas, and was on my way. Handles very well on gravel roads. > Decent torque, easy to steer, strong brakes. A simple, fun ride, and > very much worth the money I paid. Now for a nice exhaust, better > mirrors, and some new rubber. All in good time. > > http://www.troutman.org/sv650 (not much there at the moment) > John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 18 09:57:24 2005 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:58:16 -0400 To: DCCycles From: David Blumgart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] bought the sv So I took at leap into the eBay unknown and bought this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4574362007 And now I have to herd it home. I'm thinking from Concord I'll take New Hampshire 9 thru NH and VT into NY, drop down and pick up the Taconic to Red Hook, cross the Hudson then pick up 209 down to 15 to 97. Anyone have any thoughts/reminders/corrections? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 18 10:09:25 2005 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:10:16 -0400 To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles From: David Blumgart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] bought the sv At 02:26 PM 9/17/2005 -0400, Mike Troutman wrote: >I bought the SV650 in Leesburg today. Tires were flat when I got there, >but I believe that was from sitting around for three years. Filled them >up, got gas, and was on my way. Handles very well on gravel roads. >Decent torque, easy to steer, strong brakes. A simple, fun ride, and very >much worth the money I paid. Now for a nice exhaust, better mirrors, and >some new rubber. All in good time. > >http://www.troutman.org/sv650 (not much there at the moment) [This is what I meant to send under this subject header] Mike, and anyone else with an SV/DL650, here's a well-illustrated guide to checking and adjusting valves: http://www.bluepoof.com/motorcycles/howto/svs_valves/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 18 22:19:03 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:18:45 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Hybrid crash anomalies A new-to-me set of wrinkles apparently attends to hybrids in crashes - vehicles may move post-crash with little warning, and electronic keys in drivers pockets may start the car during rescue. The basics seem to be covered in: Wary of High-Voltage Batteries, Rescuers Study Up on Hybrids http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/automobiles/18HYBRID.html Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > That hybrid could be right out of Ichabod Crane Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 19 19:19:23 2005 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Harley Street Bob Do any of the local dealerships have the Street Bob in yet? (I live in DC.) jib __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 21 15:08:25 2005 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:06:49 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Best roads to ride on Check out this link just in case you are planning a road trip: http://62west.net/bikers/roads.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 21 15:51:31 2005 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:49:46 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Best roads to ride on Next time anyone heads to Skyline Drive, go a mile down the road and hang a left on Browntown Road first. Fairly technical and lots of fun. Julian Halton wrote: > > >Check out this link just in case you are planning a road trip: >http://62west.net/bikers/roads.html > > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 21 16:05:34 2005 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:03:49 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Best roads to ride on Sorry, good point. Go a mile down 340S at the Front Royal entrance. matthew patton wrote: >off of 211? go 1 mile past what? inquiring minds want to know > > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 22 18:32:15 2005 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:32:03 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] quiet list? are you all out riding? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 22 20:32:36 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] quiet list? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:32:12 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=smtp.vzavenue.net Hunting rabbits. -----Original Message----- are you all out riding? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 22 20:38:08 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] quiet list? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:38:07 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79713bca6c6c1348214d7a96f25ee97b05350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Hugh chuckled... Hunting rabbits. [Dave] Wabbits, Hugh... Use that waskwy spellchekkr next time ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- are you all out riding? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 22 21:54:43 2005 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:53:01 -0400 From: corey To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] quiet list? X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0538-6, 09/21/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Thursday, September 22, 2005, 6:32:03 PM, Danny wrote: "are you all out riding?" actually, yes. played hooky on wednesday, did 433 miles (10 hours) on the fizzer. 29-211-231-33-28-250-81-33-29. best ride all year. roads were in great shape, couldn't have asked for better weather. some pix at: http://www.blanksky.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=38 ___________________________________________ corey [journal] www.egoinc.org [portfolio] www.blanksky.com [forum] www.dcstreet.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 22 22:43:18 2005 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:43:09 -0400 From: smthng else To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] quiet list? On 9/22/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > are you all out riding? Was out riding. Just got back from three weeks on the road, one of which was cruising around the Deal's Gap area with 90 other FJRs. ;) --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 01:21:40 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:20:42 -0400 From: skip To: Danny Motorcycle CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] quiet list? i was, tonight... had a great loop through Great Falls. --skip Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > are you all out riding? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 07:05:23 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] quiet list? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You should have stayed on 33 all the way to Elkins and then picked up 250 as 28 in pretty tame. The 33- 250 loop has always been one of my favorites. Glenn --- corey wrote: > Thursday, September 22, 2005, 6:32:03 PM, Danny > wrote: > "are you all out riding?" > > actually, yes. played hooky on wednesday, did 433 > miles (10 hours) on > the fizzer. 29-211-231-33-28-250-81-33-29. best ride > all year. roads > were in great shape, couldn't have asked for better > weather. > > some pix at: > http://www.blanksky.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=38 > > ___________________________________________ > corey > [journal] www.egoinc.org > [portfolio] www.blanksky.com > [forum] www.dcstreet.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 11:37:06 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:36:50 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] quiet list? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/22/2005 8:32:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HCaldwell@XXXXXX writes: > Hunting rabbits. > > -----Original Message----- > > are you all out riding? An open class dirt bike is best for running over rabbits*. Although an 850 street bike works... Yuck... *I like bunnies, but it was just to easy to resist. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 12:28:46 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:27:58 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] interesting problem my sttering felt a bit heavy yesterday, so i checked the air pressure... 25psi. yeah. that'll do it. so I inflate it up to normal pressure, but now I've got a pretty severe shake decelerating through 50 mph. like, the first time it happened, i didn't have my hand on the bars (fastening neck closure on my jacket) and it shocked the shit out of me... it would have gone lock to lock if I had let it go. guesses? I'm leaning towards stem bearings. the bike is an 85 V65 Sabre. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 13:51:31 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:51:31 -0400 From: corey To: DC Cycles X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zeus.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - blanksky.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp Subject: [dc-cycles] MSF Experienced Rider Course Open 10/9/05 Anyone interested in taking the MSF ERC? http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=189534 Here's what to do. Go to http://www.nvcc.edu/loudoun/continuing/asp/default.asp Click on Apply to NVCC. They're not registering for anything, just applying to be a student. Fill out Part 1 of the application. At item #5, if they already have a student Id, select Yes and enter it. In Item #6 select Non-Credit/CEU. In #7 select Northern Virginia Community College. Then submit that. Fill out Part 1 of the application. For item #10 select Fall 2005. The rest is pretty self-explanatory. Once they submit Part 2, they be issued a SIS ID. They should print out that sheet and keep it. Then they can call NVCC Loudoun Continuing Ed. at 703-450-2551. Tell them they want to sign up for the Special ERC on 10/9/2005 given by Don Withrow. They'll need to give them their SIS ID and a Credit Card number. I think the cost is $90. The registration deadline is 9/23/2005. If they register right away and then change their mind, they can get a refund until 9/23/2005. After 9/23, if there aren't 12 students, they'll open it to the public to try to fill the remaining spots. The class starts promptly at 8:00 a.m. 10/9/2005. They should be there early. Bring a pen, their Class M driver's license, m/c registration and proof of insurance - an insurance card will do. Their tags and safety inspection must be current and their bike must pass a T-CLOCS inspection (they should have sufficient fuel for the day and make sure tire pressure is correct and no unsafe conditions). They need a 3/4 or full-face helmet. IF they don't have one, we'll provide, but they should probably bring a do-rag. They need eye-protection (eye glasses will do for the range) if they don't have a full-face. They need long sleeves, long pants, full fingered gloves, and footwear that covers their ankles. As for long sleeves ... They'll probably wear their riding jackets to and from the class. However, during the class they won't be getting up to enough speed to stay cool if the sun is beating down. So, our rule is just that they have long sleeves. It could be a long sleeve t-shirt, button up or whatever. As long as their arms are covered. For their comfort, they should bring water, snacks, sunscreen and the like. We will take an hour lunch break and finish about 3:30 p.m. There is no skill eval at the end. If they successful fulfill the objectives of each exercise and don't hurt me in any way, they'll get a completion card that's good for insurance discounts and DOD training for access to their base/post. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 14:24:52 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:24:42 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: skip Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interesting problem skip wrote: >my sttering felt a bit heavy yesterday, so i checked the air >pressure... 25psi. yeah. that'll do it. so I inflate it up to >normal pressure, but now I've got a pretty severe shake decelerating >through 50 mph. like, the first time it happened, i didn't have my hand >on the bars (fastening neck closure on my jacket) and it shocked the >shit out of me... it would have gone lock to lock if I had let it go. > > >guesses? > > Check the rear tire pressure and spring setting, if adjustable. I've found that the rear setup will affect the front greatly. >I'm leaning towards stem bearings. > > But a bike that age might have head bearing issues. Does the head move when your still. Really yank on it every which way, see if it moves or is noisy. Oh, also check the swing arm for movment. > >the bike is an 85 V65 Sabre. > > Good luck, Tom de > >--skip > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 14:55:19 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:53:33 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Site caendar Just a reminder that we have a DC Cycles calendar at http://dccycles.com/cgi-bin/calendar/calendar.pl. ANyone can add to it, but ionly I can edit the entries after they are posted. If you have moto events coming up (bike nights, museum trips, rides) PLEASE post them. I just spent 20 minutes deleting bot spam in the guestbook. Argh. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 16:09:26 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:09:16 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interesting problem Cc: skip , DC Cycles I've seen this before too, ex500, let go out the bars and decellerate in 2nd and it develops headshake. Solution was: dont' let go of the bars and decellerate in 2nd. Otherwise the bike handled fine... I'd like to know a solution too though. On 9/23/05, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > skip wrote: > > >my sttering felt a bit heavy yesterday, so i checked the air > >pressure... 25psi. yeah. that'll do it. so I inflate it up to > >normal pressure, but now I've got a pretty severe shake decelerating > >through 50 mph. like, the first time it happened, i didn't have my hand > >on the bars (fastening neck closure on my jacket) and it shocked the > >shit out of me... it would have gone lock to lock if I had let it go. > > > > > >guesses? > > > > > Check the rear tire pressure and spring setting, if adjustable. I've > found that the rear setup will affect the front greatly. > > >I'm leaning towards stem bearings. > > > > > But a bike that age might have head bearing issues. Does the head move > when your still. Really yank on it every which way, see if it moves or > is noisy. Oh, also check the swing arm for movment. > > > > >the bike is an 85 V65 Sabre. > > > > > > Good luck, > > Tom de > > > > >--skip > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 23:07:32 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:07:12 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interesting problem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/23/2005 12:28:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > so I inflate it up to > normal pressure, but now I've got a pretty severe shake decelerating > through 50 mph. like, the first time it happened, _All_ bike steering oscillates, it is just part of the physics of the beast. And _everything_ affects it. If you let go of the handlebars during deceleration damn near every (if not every) bike will wobble a bit. That said the first thing I would do is re-check the tire pressure, it may have gone down due to a slow leak, if so it may be low again. Did you set it to the _manufacturers_ recommended pressure? Or something else? If it is not set to the recommended pressure adjust it to that pressure and see if it helps. Your steering head bearings could well be shot _or_ just out of adjustment, have someone check it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 23:21:29 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:21:04 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Rita roads raise issues TV's multiple panoramas of evacuation routes raise these queries: Where are the motorcycles, police and otherwise? In all the pics *not one* has been spied. Wouldn't they be handy for assisting in traffic jam problems - out-of-gas, -water, -food, etc.? Should attention be paid to raising lane-splitting/-filtering, use of medians, etc. restrictions in evacuations? Hello, AMA. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Alter ego is offroad. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 23 23:34:07 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:33:58 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rita roads raise issues On 9/23/05, W.S. wrote: > TV's multiple panoramas of evacuation routes raise these queries: > Where are the motorcycles, police and otherwise? In all the > pics > *not one* has been spied. They already left, waving at the people stuck in traffic as they went by. :) Although, the reality is that many people with bikes also have families and they're stuck in the cages with them. Bikes only sit two (unless you're in Asia), so they probably wouldn't be an option if you've got kids or extended family. That's why all self-respecting bike owners also need a truck... that way they don't have to decide whether to take the bike or the family in an emergency. ;) --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 24 00:30:59 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rita roads raise issues To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "W.S." wrote: > TV's multiple panoramas of evacuation routes raise these queries: > > Where are the motorcycles, police and otherwise? In all the pics > *not one* has been spied. of course not. motorcycles are toys. "T - O - Y - S" said in my best Woody impression. > Wouldn't they be handy for assisting in traffic jam problems - > out-of-gas, -water, -food, etc.? You must be new to DC. It's the devine right of every car/suv driver to assert they are the most important person in 500 square miles and that NOBODY had better DARE get in front of them. Oh, you were on a mission of mercy? Why does that change anything? I still had every right to nail you with my door. > Should attention be paid to raising lane-splitting/-filtering, use > of medians, etc. restrictions in evacuations? that would be the rational conclusion. But wait, this is America. I mean really, how are you going to carry all your exceedingly important and vital necessities in something as small as a tank or seat bag? Especially the suitcases of cash that were sitting in the fridge that needed to be rescued while your constituents continued to die? > Hello, AMA. I think this is a task for that 'other' group - the one that spends all its time helping "mature, adult and responsible" people feel good about the freedom of choosing to split their skulls on roadway objects. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 24 08:38:30 2005 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:38:36 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rita roads raise issues W.S. wrote: >TV's multiple panoramas of evacuation routes raise these queries: > > Where are the motorcycles, police and otherwise? In all the pics >*not one* has been spied. > It is hard to carry all of your treasured possessions (including your pets and family) on a bike. I am sure that you did see hundreds of bike trailers. Hotels 100 miles inland probably look like Sturgis and Daytona. "If you see this bike on a trailer, it is being stolen." -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 24 11:19:02 2005 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:18:51 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interesting problem I'd check the wheel bearings too... They are submitted to a lot more torture than the steering head bearings. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 24 13:08:53 2005 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:08:41 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interesting problem > I'd check the wheel bearings too... They are submitted to a lot more > torture than the steering head bearings. And don't jsut assume that it is a front end problem - you'd be surprised what swingarm/rear wheel bearings can add to the mix. For that matter, saddlebags or a top box can do interesting stuff to the airflow. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 24 15:51:55 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:51:42 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interesting problem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/24/2005 11:19:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thomas.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > They are submitted to a lot more > torture than the steering head bearings. Well.... Yes and no. Bearings are designed to go round and round, this distributes the load _and_ the lubricant. The ball is never in the same spot on the races for more then an instant. In the steering head the bearing sits in the same position virtually all the time only moving back and forth a tiny amount _all_ the wear occurs in one tiny spot on the races (times the number of balls/rollers of course.) and lube is quickly pushed out of the way and then there is no more lubrication at the wear points. (there is plenty of lube in the bearing, just not at the contact points.) And then there are wheelies.... Not that any of you have ever done one #;-) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Sep 24 21:25:36 2005 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 09/24/05 Penguin makes a good point in pointing out that steering head bearings lie essetially neutral. I just wanted to add that in RRW, I read an article last year that advocated greasing the sh*t out of these. Too much grease? No such thing. If so.. just wipe the excess off - nbd :) For those who suspect their steering head bearings might be faulty, the test is to try and push the front wheel back and forth while the forks are in suspension. For those w/o a center stand, you'll need to lift the engine w/ a jack stand and a piece of "1 by" (a 6" piece of 1"x4" will suffice) or use tie-downs to suspend the clip-ons from a garage rafter... no diff. If you have _any_ kinda lateral movement that way, the bearings are either loose or they're gone. Inspection time.. if they feel notchy they'e gone. P.S. Speaking of RRW, two DC Cycles types had letters published in this month's issue - Laura Roach and Matthew Patton. John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Sep 25 07:36:07 2005 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:35:47 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interesting problem Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That would explain the felt grove in a bike I used to do stoppies on. Also rode a few bikes, with continental (and contiforce) rear tires, and at a certain tripple digit speed, the front would develope headshake. At first I thought it was tire pressure or suspension settings..made changes... problem persisted. Swapped out the tire, problem solved. On 9/24/05, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/24/2005 11:19:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > thomas.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > > > They are submitted to a lot more > > torture than the steering head bearings. > > Well.... Yes and no. Bearings are designed to go round and round, this > distributes the load _and_ the lubricant. The ball is never in the same spot on the > races for more then an instant. In the steering head the bearing sits in the > same position virtually all the time only moving back and forth a tiny amount > _all_ the wear occurs in one tiny spot on the races (times the number of > balls/rollers of course.) and lube is quickly pushed out of the way and then there > is no more lubrication at the wear points. (there is plenty of lube in the > bearing, just not at the contact points.) > And then there are wheelies.... > Not that any of you have ever done one #;-) > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 08:53:36 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 05:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interesting problem To: skip , DC Cycles Is the front tire in good shape? Was it by chance low on pressure long enough to cause odd wear? Did you get new tires? On my old bike with stock tires, it was smooth coasting with no hands. Got new tires with a different tread pattern, and it would do exactly what you're describing, all else being equal. If you did get new tires and they were low on pressure from the shop, the low psi may have hidden the new tires tendency to do this? Shot in the dark....... If it has been a long time since you're steering head bearings were replaced........I'd definitely suspect this first. - Jimmy --- skip wrote: > my sttering felt a bit heavy yesterday, so i checked the air > pressure... 25psi. yeah. that'll do it. so I inflate it up to > normal pressure, but now I've got a pretty severe shake > decelerating > through 50 mph. like, the first time it happened, i didn't have my > hand > on the bars (fastening neck closure on my jacket) and it shocked > the > shit out of me... it would have gone lock to lock if I had let it > go. > > guesses? > > I'm leaning towards stem bearings. > > > the bike is an 85 V65 Sabre. > > > --skip > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 10:14:26 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:14:19 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] More misadventures So ever since I had my wallet disappear from the right pocket of my FieldSheer mesh jacket, I have been keeping it in my backpack. Annapolis or Baltimore? I was heading up to meet a lister for the Federal Hill festival. I decided to stop into Davidsonville to say a hello to the guy who sold me my first bike. Fuel light clicks on and I detour down past Governor's bridge road to the local gas pit. Get my plastic out and head back to 50. On the on ramp I accelerate and change to the middle lane. I was quite content until a Marine passed me brandishing a wallet in his hand. My first thought was cop but I was surprised because I wasn't speeding. That familiar sick feeling as I reach behind me and realize my backpack is open. Of all the detail cloth, Sunday crossword, tire pressure gauge and other foo...only my wallet had to depart as yet another sacrifice to the highway. EFF this! I pull over to the right shoulder, do a three point turn and start cruising back down the highway against traffic. 500 feet away, my wallet lies in the middle of 50. I put my hand out and walk out on the asphalt to retrieve my wallet.....with nothing in it. Every single card and five hundred dollars or so is gone! Turns out I left a quarter mile trail of cards and bills. Get back on the bike, cross to the left shoulder and head backwards retrieve most of my wallet contents....minus about 250 and my bank card. Ended up having a reasonable day after that. Lots of bikers passed me as I was trolling the highway and the only one to stop was a MD state trooper that kindly asked if I needed any assistance. So for those of you that have read this far, I can now segue to a technical question. What determines recommended tire pressure? Does this vary by make of tire or is this a recommendation from the bike maker. My rear is supposed to be run at 42 and I find that a little high. The track heads say to stay around 32 for performance but I am not comfortable and I find the rear always steps out at lower pressures. Michelin Pilot Powers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 10:20:22 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Why do you keep so much money in your wallet? Maybe its time for the dirtbag look and get a chain wallet? Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > So ever since I had my wallet disappear from the > right pocket of my > FieldSheer mesh jacket, I have been keeping it in my > backpack. EFF this! > I pull over to the right shoulder, do a three point > turn and start > cruising back down the highway against traffic. 500 > feet away, my > wallet lies in the middle of 50. I put my hand out > and walk out on the > asphalt to retrieve my wallet.....with nothing in > it. Every single card > and five hundred dollars or so is gone! Turns out I > left a quarter mile > trail of cards and bills. Get back on the bike, > cross to the left > shoulder and head backwards retrieve most of my > wallet contents....minus > about 250 and my bank card. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 10:32:44 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:32:37 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Glenn Dysart" , I definitely have the dirtbag look today. It is the bartending gig that results (sometimes) in a heavy wallet. My gripe is that these things are supposed to keep stuff in them and not explode. Ah well. It was a great day to ride. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Why do you keep so much money in your wallet? Maybe its time for the dirtbag look and get a chain wallet? Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > So ever since I had my wallet disappear from the right pocket of my > FieldSheer mesh jacket, I have been keeping it in my backpack. EFF this! > I pull over to the right shoulder, do a three point turn and start > cruising back down the highway against traffic. 500 feet away, my > wallet lies in the middle of 50. I put my hand out and walk out on > the asphalt to retrieve my wallet.....with nothing in it. Every > single card and five hundred dollars or so is gone! Turns out I left > a quarter mile trail of cards and bills. Get back on the bike, cross > to the left shoulder and head backwards retrieve most of my wallet > contents....minus about 250 and my bank card. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 10:34:50 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:34:37 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yikes, I've lost a few things off the bike, but never my wallet. One small mitigation technique: I use a Speedpass that's on the bike keyrings, so I don't need to dig out the wallet for every gas stop, which is nice. Limits you to Exxon/Mobil, but they're all over. I usually put the wallet in a zippered inside jacket pocket. That way, even if it works its way out of the pocket for whatever reason, it's got a long way to go to reach the ground. On 9/26/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > So ever since I had my wallet disappear from the right pocket of my > FieldSheer mesh jacket, I have been keeping it in my backpack. ....rest of tale of woe excised.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 10:41:08 2005 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:40:59 -0400 Folks, Why not use a tank bag? They really don't 'leak' (unless you toss the entire bike 250+ ft down the road <---- field test performed by me), and they sit right in front of you. I know they don't look 'cool', but they sure are useful. - Paul 'TBP for life!' >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: Julian Halton >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:34:37 -0400 > >Yikes, I've lost a few things off the bike, but never my wallet. One >small mitigation technique: I use a Speedpass that's on the bike >keyrings, so I don't need to dig out the wallet for every gas stop, >which is nice. Limits you to Exxon/Mobil, but they're all over. > >I usually put the wallet in a zippered inside jacket pocket. That >way, even if it works its way out of the pocket for whatever reason, >it's got a long way to go to reach the ground. > >On 9/26/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > > So ever since I had my wallet disappear from the right pocket of my > > FieldSheer mesh jacket, I have been keeping it in my backpack. > >....rest of tale of woe excised.... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 11:15:38 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:15:26 -0400 I know they don't look 'cool', but they sure are useful. > I don't go for "cool" Function before Fashion.. Best purchase I've made besides the actual bike itself. I use it a lot going to work it beats having to fish for my I.D. outta my jacket I just put the I.D. in the map pocket on top. Besides wouldn't a backpack be dangerous in the event to "Tossing" the bike? 'TBP for life!' Ahh the elusive TBP.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 11:19:39 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:17:51 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures I lost a dozen wedding invitations out of my tank bag a few years ago. Damn map pocket velcro. Everything was fine, hit a nice curve, and right in the middle of it it was like a swarm of doves hitting me in the chest, chin and facemask. Lost several to the muddy drainage ditch and oncoming traffic. Needless to say, I don't cary valuable paperwork crammed into the map pocket any more. Paul Wilson wrote: >Yikes, I've lost a few things off the bike, but never my wallet. > >On 9/26/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > >>So ever since I had my wallet disappear from the right pocket of my >>FieldSheer mesh jacket, I have been keeping it in my backpack. >> >> > >....rest of tale of woe excised.... > > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 11:46:20 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:46:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures MT commented: I lost a dozen wedding invitations out of my tank bag a few years ago. Damn map pocket velcro. Everything was fine, hit a nice curve, and right in the middle of it it was like a swarm of doves hitting me in the chest, chin and facemask. [Dave] Hmm... That was pretty clever Mike. I wish I'd have lost about half a dozen invitations to my wedding ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 11:48:54 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:48:47 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Right. Map pocket. I once lost my ticket for the Ohio Turnpike and ended up paying the highest charge for the exit as a result. No biggee. It would have been the same charge anyway (I entered at the Pa. state line and exited at Toledo) but I don't carry small, important items there any more. On 9/26/05, Mike Troutman wrote: > I lost a dozen wedding invitations out of my tank bag a few years ago. > Damn map pocket velcro. Everything was fine, hit a nice curve, and > right in the middle of it it was like a swarm of doves hitting me in the > chest, chin and facemask. Lost several to the muddy drainage ditch and > oncoming traffic. > > Needless to say, I don't cary valuable paperwork crammed into the map > pocket any more. > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > >Yikes, I've lost a few things off the bike, but never my wallet. > > > >On 9/26/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > >>So ever since I had my wallet disappear from the right pocket of my > >>FieldSheer mesh jacket, I have been keeping it in my backpack. > >> > >> > > > >....rest of tale of woe excised.... > > > > > > > > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > ICQ 239667121 > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 12:02:53 2005 From: "Anne S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:02:44 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! Oh dear, it's been one year now since I took my motorcycle beginner's course, and I still havent' gotten a bike. I guess I''m just not sure what to do -- I need a smallish bike because I'm not an experienced rider and don't want to lose my leg when the bike tips over on me :) I've found a few older bikes (like 80's vintage) for decent prices but everyone knowledeable has told me not to go that route - too hard to get parts and find people to repair. So -- what do I do? I'd like to find something for around $1K but is that reasonable? Any suggestions where to look and how to evaluate what I find? Lost without a bike, Anne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 12:21:05 2005 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Anne S" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:20:45 -0400 Craigslist would be a good place to find cheap local bikes; http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/ be patient, winter is a good time to find bargains. --------------------- Shigeru Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne S" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! > Oh dear, it's been one year now since I took my motorcycle beginner's > course, and I still havent' gotten a bike. I guess I''m just not sure what > to do -- I need a smallish bike because I'm not an experienced rider and > don't want to lose my leg when the bike tips over on me :) I've found a > few older bikes (like 80's vintage) for decent prices but everyone > knowledeable has told me not to go that route - too hard to get parts and > find people to repair. > > So -- what do I do? I'd like to find something for around $1K but is that > reasonable? Any suggestions where to look and how to evaluate what I find? > > Lost without a bike, > > Anne > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 14:53:33 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:53:21 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > What determines recommended tire pressure? Does this vary by make of > tire or is this a recommendation from the bike maker. The bike manufacturer will recommend a pressure range for a specific tire (usually the OEM rubber). Should be close enough for any similar tire from other manufacturers. The number molded in the sidewall is the maximum pressure that the tire will withstand on a long term basis -and is NOT what you want to run it at. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 15:04:40 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:04:33 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures To add to Michael's info, although hopefully everyone should know this by now... All tire pressure ratings are for "cold" tires. Riding a block to the local gas station for a fill up will generally heat the tires enough to throw off the pressure readings. Check and fill tires BEFORE riding ANYWHERE! This isn't generally affected by ambient temperature... a cold tire that's 50 degrees will read about the same as one at 90 degrees. Riding on tires boosts the temps quite a bit higher and that's where your readings go wrong. A warmed tire reading 32 PSI is probably closer to being 28 PSI cold. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ On 9/26/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > The bike manufacturer will recommend a pressure range for a specific > tire (usually the OEM rubber). Should be close enough for any similar > tire from other manufacturers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 16:33:12 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:33:04 -0400 Backpacks on the bike - zip BOTH zippers DOWN to one side. If the zippers are both down on one side, it is damn near impossible for them to move up - but with both zippers meeting in the middle-top, either zipper could start working its way down. Throw a full low into the backpack, and the items therein can present a load on the zippers in such a way as to greatly facilitate their opening (or, "How I Lost My Favorite Sweater and a Nice Leather Dopp Kit on Rt. 29.) - Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F www.JordanMotorsportsPhotography.com _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 17:20:11 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More misadventures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I lost a camera and film with about a months worth of travel pictures from not closing properly a backpack while traveling across Argentina. When I realized what had happened, I was so upset that I could hardly breathe. Adam --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Backpacks on the bike - zip BOTH zippers DOWN to one > side. If the zippers > are both down on one side, it is damn near > impossible for them to move up - > but with both zippers meeting in the middle-top, > either zipper could start > working its way down. Throw a full low into the > backpack, and the items > therein can present a load on the zippers in such a > way as to greatly > facilitate their opening (or, "How I Lost My > Favorite Sweater and a Nice > Leather Dopp Kit on Rt. 29.) > > - Sean Jordan > '93 CBR1000F > www.JordanMotorsportsPhotography.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events > for advice on how to > get there! > http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 17:31:10 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:31:02 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures I know you young'uns like the look of a bike unsullied by hard or soft luggage (and I'm probably being a fussbudget here) but I don't particularly like to use a backpack. Done it a few times, but having heavy objects strapped up high on the back in the event of crash never seemed like a good idea to me. Bicycle-style messenger bags might be a better choice and they're what I use in the rare event I don't have the hard bags on. They are more-or-less designed to be worn over the shoulder while moving, fit looser and down low on the back, and have buckles that are less likely to open up. They come equipped with all sorts of nifty pockets for cell phones and so forth, make you look like an urban hipster, etc. YMMV. On 9/26/05, Sean Jordan wrote: > Backpacks on the bike - zip BOTH zippers DOWN to one side. If the zippers > are both down on one side, it is damn near impossible for them to move up - > but with both zippers meeting in the middle-top, either zipper could start > working its way down. Throw a full low into the backpack, and the items > therein can present a load on the zippers in such a way as to greatly > facilitate their opening (or, "How I Lost My Favorite Sweater and a Nice > Leather Dopp Kit on Rt. 29.) > > - Sean Jordan -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 17:43:08 2005 From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! To: "Anne S" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:42:45 -0400 The people who are warning you off of mid-80s bikes must have very little experience with Honda's. I've yet to have a problem with sourcing parts for my old Hondas which currently date back to 1983. The bikes from that era, at this point, have been running for many many years. They've proven reliable, or they wouldn't be running! You probably won't find a lot of bikes with performance comparable to today's sport bikes, but that's not what you're looking for anyway. You might want to consider a 250 Honda Nighthawk. They're light and easy to deal with. The Kawasaki EX500's are still being made as Ninja 500's these days I think, so no problem with those. Same with the Suzuki GS 500's. There's the motorcycle trader, www.cycletrader.com and Craigslist for searches. Look for something that's running, and straight. If you're in doubt, ask us. We'll let you know what we think. ;-) Stephen On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:02:44 -0400 "Anne S" wrote: > Oh dear, it's been one year now since I took my > motorcycle beginner's course, and I still havent' gotten > a bike. I guess I''m just not sure what to do -- I need > a smallish bike because I'm not an experienced rider and > don't want to lose my leg when the bike tips over on me > :) I've found a few older bikes (like 80's vintage) > for decent prices but everyone knowledeable has told me > not to go that route - too hard to get parts and find > people to repair. > > So -- what do I do? I'd like to find something for > around $1K but is that reasonable? Any suggestions where > to look and how to evaluate what I find? > > Lost without a bike, > > Anne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 17:46:27 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:45:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! To: "Anne S" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" "Anne S" writes: >Oh dear, it's been one year now since I took my motorcycle beginner's >course, and I still havent' gotten a bike. I guess I''m just not sure >what >to do -- I need a smallish bike because I'm not an experienced rider and >don't want to lose my leg when the bike tips over on me :) Usually a good idea to move leg and get away from a falling bike. > I've found a >few older bikes (like 80's vintage) for decent prices but everyone >knowledeable has told me not to go that route - too hard to get parts and >find people to repair. I don't agree. Parts are rarely a problem for bikes when a lot of them were imported. As for repairs, at least half of the bikes I fix for other folks are over 20 years old. This weekend was a 1974 Honda 550; today a 1983 Honda 650; last week a 1979 Suzuki 550 and a mid-80's Yamaha 535. There are probably other people who repair these bikes, too. > >So -- what do I do? I'd like to find something for around $1K but is >that >reasonable? Any suggestions where to look and how to evaluate what I >find? Ebay, CL, Post, DC-Cycles. I inspect motorcycles (here) for around $25; you may have friends who know about bikes who will do one or two gratis. There's a 125 Honda on ebay (local) currently at ~$650. I have a couple of bikes fs under $1000, but they're probably too big for you. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." > >Lost without a bike, > >Anne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 17:54:15 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:53:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" i hit "reply-all" by mistake, sorry. "garcia oliver" writes: >"Anne S" writes: >>Oh dear, it's been one year now since I took my motorcycle beginner's >>course, and I still havent' gotten a bike. I guess I''m just not sure >>what >>to do -- I need a smallish bike because I'm not an experienced rider and >>don't want to lose my leg when the bike tips over on me :) > >Usually a good idea to move leg and get away from a falling bike. > > > >> I've found a >>few older bikes (like 80's vintage) for decent prices but everyone >>knowledeable has told me not to go that route - too hard to get parts >and >>find people to repair. > >I don't agree. Parts are rarely a problem for bikes when a lot of them >were imported. As for repairs, at least half of the bikes I fix for other >folks are over 20 years old. This weekend was a 1974 Honda 550; today a >1983 Honda 650; last week a 1979 Suzuki 550 and a mid-80's Yamaha 535. >There are probably other people who repair these bikes, too. > >> >>So -- what do I do? I'd like to find something for around $1K but is >>that >>reasonable? Any suggestions where to look and how to evaluate what I >>find? > >Ebay, CL, Post, DC-Cycles. I inspect motorcycles (here) for around $25; >you may have friends who know about bikes who will do one or two gratis. >There's a 125 Honda on ebay (local) currently at ~$650. I have a couple >of bikes fs under $1000, but they're probably too big for you. > >--garcia > >"We're lost, but we're making good time." >> >>Lost without a bike, >> >>Anne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 18:15:30 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:15:19 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures > Bicycle-style messenger bags might be > a better choice and they're what I use in the rare event I don't have > the hard bags on. They are more-or-less designed to be worn over the > shoulder while moving, fit looser and down low on the back, and have > buckles that are less likely to open up. They come equipped with all > sorts of nifty pockets for cell phones and so forth, make you look > like an urban hipster, etc. YMMV. Andy Goldfine at Rider's Wearhouse (Aerostitch.com) has a nice selection. A bit pricey, but absolutely first water. If you can articulate what you want, our own (slightly removed) Linda Tanner can stitch it up for you. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 18:18:43 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:17:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More misadventures At 04:33 PM 9/26/05 -0400, Sean Jordan wrote: >Backpacks on the bike - zip BOTH zippers DOWN to one side. If the zippers >are both down on one side, it is damn near impossible for them to move up - Many zippers also have loops on the ends of the pulls...put something through them and the zippers will stay closed unless there's enough overload to cause the teeth to part on their own. You can use a small padlock, a large paper clip, or a large split-ring from an old key chain to secure the two together. Even a strong twist-tie might do it, or a small carabinier if you want easier access. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 18:22:48 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:22:41 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 9/26/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Bicycle-style messenger bags might be > > a better choice..... > > Andy Goldfine at Rider's Wearhouse (Aerostitch.com) has a nice > selection. A bit pricey, but absolutely first water. > > If you can articulate what you want, our own (slightly removed) Linda > Tanner can stitch it up for you. > > -- > Michael J. Oh, I forgot the biggie: waterproof. Or at least very, very, very water resistant since the flap covers all the zippers. Messengers ride in all weather. I got mine when I rode the bicycle everywhere year-round and worked at a radio station. This was back shortly after the earth cooled. Bag was big enough to hold LPs. For the under 25 set, those are those big black vinyl things that go round and round at 33-and-1/3 RPM. You may have seen one in a museum somewhere. :) -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 20:53:21 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:53:08 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/26/2005 6:23:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > those big black vinyl things that go round and round at > 33-and-1/3 RPM Why would you want something so slow? 78 RPM is the way to go :-) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 21:58:46 2005 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Content To: DC Cycles I own an XB12R and while I love it, and it is the best handling bike I have owned, I have yet to see it in the same light as the magazines. With the stock tires it was kind of squirrely (shocker - w/ a short wheelbase and steep steering angle it seems like thats all it would ever be). With Metzler M1's it is now good, even real good, but to my butt it does not scream "world class". I am going faster and faster on it, too fast for the street really, but it has taken a while to be that comfortable. I rode Moran's FZR and immediately felt like it would exactly what I asked of it, without any fanfare or drama. Totally linear, totally confidence inspiring. I wonder why they don't clone that thing and make a millionm The XB is my favorite bike of any I have ever ridden as an overall package, but I can't say that my particular example is "best" available at any one thing. The magazines make wonder what the heck I am doing wrong with mine . . . --- rjmoran@XXXXXX wrote: > Bike magazine's September cover story is "The 50 > Greatest Cornering > > Bikes Ever". Using some pseudo-scientific > variable definitions, the > > authors attempted to quantify cornering potential: > > - lean angle potential (Lap) > > - flickability (F) > > - midcorner speed (MCS) > > - exit drive (ED) > > - exceeding expectations (EE) > > - risk of hospital food(RHF) > > - involvement (I) > > > > - overall rating (OR) > > > > (LAP + F + MCS + ED+ EE divided by RHF) X I = OR > > > > > > > > Drumroll please: > > > > > > The winner is the Buell XB12R Firebolt > > 2nd - Aprilia RS125 > > 3rd - Triumph Daytona 650 > > 4th - 1956 BSA Gold Star > > 5th - BKW R1200GS > > 6th - Suzuki GSX-R600 K5 > > 7th - 1975 Ducati 900SS > > 8th - Buell XB12S Lightning > > 9th - Aprilia Pegaso Strads > > 10th - Husaberg Supermoto 650 E > > > > My beloved R6 came 36th. :( > > Coincidentally, I've ridden the supposed winner > fairly extensively, as well as a 2002 R6 (just last > night) and the real winner, an '88 FZR400. There is > no way a Buell XB12R Firebolt should be at the top > of that list. Please... My truck-like RC51 corners > better than the Buell. The top of the list should > actually be something like a Yamaha TZ250 or, if > we're only talking about street legal bikes, the > FZR400. The R6 would be in the top five. > > Sheesh! > > RPM > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Sep 26 22:02:40 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:02:32 -0400 The nighthawk 250 was for the "taller" people at MSF. Being 6'2" I didn't notice it being tall... >From: >To: "Anne S" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:42:45 -0400 > >You might want to consider a 250 Honda Nighthawk. They're >light and easy to deal with. The Kawasaki EX500's are still >being made as Ninja 500's these days I think, so no problem >with those. Same with the Suzuki GS 500's. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 02:15:40 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 02:15:33 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If i'm in a hurry, i put my wallet in my front pocket.. if i'm smart i keep it in the inside jacket pocket. I don't see the point of carrying a tire pressure gauge around. set your tire pressure at home. It's not going to leak out that fast that you'd need it again on the ride, and if you do, a gas station should have one on their pump that you're using. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 07:52:07 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:51:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Danny opined: I don't see the point of carrying a tire pressure gauge around. set your tire pressure at home. It's not going to leak out that fast that you'd need it again on the ride, and if you do, a gas station should have one on their pump that you're using. [Dave] I really hate to see any rider deliberately try to practice moto-Darwinism. Those gas station pumps can be off as much as 10 pounds. Can also be important to have one if your ride is going to be... spirited... Pushing a bike with a leaking tire is asking God for a face to face meeting. My few pieces of eight. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 08:09:27 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:09:20 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures On 9/27/05, Dave Yates wrote: > Danny opined: > I don't see the point of carrying a tire pressure gauge around. > [Dave] I really hate to see any rider deliberately try to practice moto-Darwinism. Those gas station pumps can be off as much as 10 pounds. Can also be important to have one if your ride is going to be... spirited... Pushing a bike with a leaking tire is asking God for a face to face meeting. Dave be right... 30 seconds, a good gauge and some dirty fingers can be the difference between a scary (but successful) corner and a high-side. Gas station gauges suck (if they have them at all). Use your own and be nice to it. Also, there are times when you want to CHANGE your pressure. Like a trip to Deal's Gap or something. A couple hours of interstate running relatively high pressure, then drop it down for the mountainous fun stuff. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 08:41:52 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:41:45 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures That's my point though.. ther'es a difference between planning a trip to deals gap, and carrying around a tire gauge all the time. If you know you're going to be taking some local twisties, you should check your tire pressure at home and set it up properly. If you are out and discover your tire pressure is low, then I'm assuming you should be riding reasonably on the street at the time and not riding spirited, since you didn't plan on, or set up for doing that. For normal riding around as transportation, a gas station gauge will suffice to finish your day up to get you home. Now i'm not saying a small tiny one is a bad idea, fine keep it in your toolkit/trunk. but to carry it around a nice, bulkier digitial one in your back pack.. you're just risking losing it, or breaking it, I mean just how frequently are you checking your tire pressure that you have it in your backpack? when I said i don't see the point of carrying one around, i meant litteraly carryign it around.. vs having a small one in your tool kit. is it not a good rule of thumb to check your pressure once a week, after washng your bike... or when doing routien maintenance/checks. On 9/27/05, smthng else wrote: > On 9/27/05, Dave Yates wrote: > > Danny opined: > > I don't see the point of carrying a tire pressure gauge around. > > > [Dave] I really hate to see any rider deliberately try to practice moto-Darwinism. Those gas station pumps can be off as much as 10 pounds. Can also be important to have one if your ride is going to be... spirited... Pushing a bike with a leaking tire is asking God for a face to face meeting. > > Dave be right... 30 seconds, a good gauge and some dirty fingers can > be the difference between a scary (but successful) corner and a > high-side. Gas station gauges suck (if they have them at all). Use > your own and be nice to it. > > Also, there are times when you want to CHANGE your pressure. Like a > trip to Deal's Gap or something. A couple hours of interstate running > relatively high pressure, then drop it down for the mountainous fun > stuff. > > --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 09:09:24 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:09:16 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lirage0926,0,6175505.story?coll=ny-top-headlines From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 09:10:25 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:10:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures DM: That's my point though.. ther'es a difference between planning a trip to deals gap, and carrying around a tire gauge all the time. If you know you're going to be taking some local twisties, you should check your tire pressure at home and set it up properly. [Dave] How many people here know the Boy Scout Motto? For normal riding around as transportation, a gas station gauge will suffice to finish your day up to get you home. [Dave] I disagree, but your bike, your ride, your choice. Now i'm not saying a small tiny one is a bad idea, fine keep it in your toolkit/trunk. but to carry it around a nice, bulkier digitial one in your back pack.. you're just risking losing it, or breaking it, I mean just how frequently are you checking your tire pressure that you have it in your backpack? [Dave] Allah damnit! I've got a compressor that fits under the body work of my ZX11, the decent gauge is no bigger than one of my derringer pistols. It fits in an Aerostich pocket (the gauge, not the crappy pistol). ...is it not a good rule of thumb to check your pressure once a week, after washng your bike... or when doing routien maintenance/checks. [Dave] I won't disagree with the above. I'll add that if you've got the time to ride, you've got the time to check your tire pressure and a couple other things before you take off. I'll now buck DCC tradition by not randomly insulting one of list Jordans. I feel a tire thread coming on... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 09:10:31 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:32:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > is it not a good rule of thumb to check your pressure once a week, > after washng your bike... or when doing routien maintenance/checks. I check pressure every day on whatever I'm riding/driving. More than once, it's saved my ass when I've found a nail/slow leak before leaving the house. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 09:29:36 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:29:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > [Dave] How many people here know the Boy Scout Motto? Beep repaired? Funny, I was riding my zx6r the other night and the horn felll off! LOL > For normal riding around as transportation, a gas station gauge > will suffice to finish your day up to get you home. > > > [Dave] I disagree, but your bike, your ride, your choice. Who did the survey on gas station gauges anyway? and how acurate can that survey be? I know we all know better than to rely on anecdotal evidence as being gospel. > > [Dave] Allah damnit! I've got a compressor that fits under the body work of my ZX11, the decent gauge is no bigger than one of my derringer pistols. It fits in an Aerostich pocket (the gauge, not the crappy pistol). What else do you have in that utility jacket batman? > [Dave] I won't disagree with the above. I'll add that if you've got the time to ride, you've got the time to check your tire pressure and a couple other things before you take off. Chain lubed.. check.. brake fluid..check... condoms... check.. amunition check.. derringer... check.. LOL > I'll now buck DCC tradition by not randomly insulting one of list Jordans. ha ha. like hatfields and mccoys or something :) > I feel a tire thread coming on... better a tire thread coming on than a tire tread coming off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 09:32:03 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:31:55 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX every day? let me guess, you have low profile tires on your cage? I usually can feel when my bike tires are low.. well at least the front for sure. On 9/27/05, Wayne Edelen wrote: check pressure every day on whatever I'm riding/driving. More than > once, it's saved my ass when I've found a nail/slow leak before leaving > the house. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 09:32:43 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 9:32:34 -0400 > > From: Wayne Edelen > Date: 2005/09/27 Tue AM 09:32:21 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > is it not a good rule of thumb to check your pressure once a week, > > after washng your bike... or when doing routien maintenance/checks. > > I check pressure every day on whatever I'm riding/driving. More than > once, it's saved my ass when I've found a nail/slow leak before leaving > the house. > > -- Wayne > ...I had a slow leak in my ass the other day because I didn't check it before leaving the house..oh wait..wrong list... never mind. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 09:49:45 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:49:38 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures > I don't see the point of carrying a tire pressure gauge around. set > your tire pressure at home. It's not going to leak out that fast that > you'd need it again on the ride, You don't think that it could leak down over a week or two? Or do you only do short rides? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 09:57:43 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:57:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Aki confessed: > ...I had a slow leak in my ass the other day because I didn't check it before leaving the house..oh wait..wrong list... [Dave] dude. That belongs on DC-burros. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 10:00:57 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:59:28 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 02:15 AM 9/27/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >I don't see the point of carrying a tire pressure gauge around. set >your tire pressure at home. It's not going to leak out that fast that >you'd need it again on the ride, and if you do, a gas station should >have one on their pump that you're using. While it's true that it won't likely change on a ride (short of picking up some debris that causes a slow leak), the ones at gas stations are usually way off and I wouldn't trust them for something as critical as bike tires. I carry mine with me...saddle bags have plenty of room for little stuff like that...and I've had occasion to use it when someone else I was riding with hadn't checked theirs before leaving home. In one case their tires were seriously underinflated too. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 10:08:41 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:07:25 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island At 09:09 AM 9/27/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lirage0926,0,6175505.story? coll=ny-top-headlines At least they got the charge right this time. I hope he's convicted and spends a long time in jail. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 12:14:50 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:14:42 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island On 9/27/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 09:09 AM 9/27/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lirage0926,0,6175505.story? > coll=ny-top-headlines > At least they got the charge right this time. I hope he's convicted and > spends a long time in jail. "I'm sorry" says biker after doing burnout on the criminal's face... "I had an accident". WANKER! --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 13:21:28 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:21:21 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX that ain't no road rage. THat's premeditated 1st deg murder. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 13:29:18 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > with hadn't checked theirs before leaving home. In one case their > tires were seriously underinflated too. I'd settle for some people just OWNing a tire guage. This guy I know has a Kat600 he bought used/rashed from a local dealership. I fixed the carbs and jetting for him so it rips. The rear tire is bald and I tell him in no uncertain terms he need a new rear tire and frankly the front could stand to be replaced too. Then he dumps it a few times on the left and cracks the alternator cover (a weak point on the 90's kat) and I fix that a couple times. A month or so later he come back with a dime sized HOLE all the way thru the carcas. "Are you insane" I ask. Then he comes to me 2 nights ago that the bike steers funny, that it falls over to the right. I take one look at the front and the tire is um flat. "Dude, you check tire pressures any"? "don't have a guage". I'm tempted to hit him over the head with my $2 guage from the 24/7 Autozone a mile away. some people... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 14:31:34 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:31:19 -0400 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures At 10:29 AM 9/27/05 -0700, matthew patton wrote: >I fix that a couple times. A month or so later he come back with a dime >sized HOLE all the way thru the carcas. "Are you insane" I ask. Then he >comes to me 2 nights ago that the bike steers funny, that it falls over >to the right. I take one look at the front and the tire is um flat. >"Dude, you check tire pressures any"? "don't have a guage". I'm tempted >to hit him over the head with my $2 guage from the 24/7 Autozone a mile >away. Maybe next time he comes in, you should just leave the bike broken. Do him and everyone else a favor...this guy is too stupid to be on the road at all. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 14:45:00 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 27 Sep 2005 18:44:48 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:44:48 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection Does anyone have recommendations for where to get a motorcycle Maryland State inspection near College Park MD? I know about the guy in Potomac, but that's way too far unless I'm forced to. Free State has been useless so far. Clinton is almost as much a PITA to get to as Potomac. Myers Cycle doesn't do them. I can't believe how difficult this seemly simple procedure is becoming. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 15:11:25 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:11:17 -0400 Well, I can recommend two places in Gaithersburg. However, if you don't like Potomac, you're probably not going to be too thrilled about G'burg. As for CP, does the Dirt Shop on Rt 1 (just inside the Beltway) do inspections? Another option might be Cycles USA in Wheaton. They're at Georgia and Connecticut. Perry >From: "David Blumgart" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection >Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:44:48 -0500 > >Does anyone have recommendations for where to get a motorcycle Maryland >State inspection near College Park MD? I know about the guy in Potomac, >but that's way too far unless I'm forced to. Free State has been useless >so far. Clinton is almost as much a PITA to get to as Potomac. Myers Cycle >doesn't do them. I can't believe how difficult this seemly simple procedure >is becoming. > >-- >___________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com >http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 15:39:54 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Content To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Matthew - You misunderstood my question. I am wondering why the magazines have such a different opinion about this bike than I do. While I think it is great, one mag says apparently it is the "best". That's what I don't get . . . As an actual owner of the bike (and a previous owner of your current bike) I can say I find each of your points invalid. The bike takes some getting used to. A test ride or two (or 5) would not have been enough to have a well informed opinion, especially a negative one that I would share with an owner if I met him on a ride. In an e-mail it's so easy to be brash. For example - "Perhaps you could go seek a professional for some of that butt pounding you spoke of -" would be out of line for me to say face to face. --- matthew patton wrote: > --- Jonathan Broga wrote: > > > thing. The magazines make wonder what the heck I > am > > doing wrong with mine . . . > > it's a conspiracy to make you think you gotta buy > something else. But > more seriously here a few things "you" are doing > wrong. > > 1) 400cc too big > 1a) 1" too long of a stroke > 1b) pistons too big by 1/2" > 2) no rev range at all > 3) paint shaker won't quit till 3500RPM or more (see > #2) > 4) miserable, notchy trans ('06 are WORLDS better > though) > 5) no engagement zone with HEAVY clutch pull (again > '06 is FAR better) > 6) that bleeping fan > 6a) no water cooling on the cylinders > 7) silly, turned sideways oil cooler > > I've put some miles (even fun miles) on XB test > rides but I can't get > past the college freshman engine engineering. KTM > knows how to make a > short, compact narrow angle V-twin that's water > cooled. So does Honda > and Aprila/Rotax. I'm not adverse to v-twin vibes as > long as they are > mild (I have a SV650 and love it). If I want my feet > and butt pounded > with big bangs, I'll go see a medical professional > instead. > > I rode the Ulysses the other day. Maybe in 2010 I'll > stop by Buell and > see if they ever decided to just junk that whole > powerplant and all the > baggage that comes with it. If they're still > around... > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 15:42:33 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:42:26 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX there's a 24/7 auto zone? *drool* where at? this is a Godsend! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 15:45:35 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:45:28 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX oh and if the kat-600 guy is that stupid, I suggest you raise your prices for him just a little.. give him that "special" discount... or charge him package deals, which include tires and such. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 15:46:51 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:46:42 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Maybe next time he comes in, you should just leave the bike broken. Do him > and everyone else a favor...this guy is too stupid to be on the road at all. I disagree.. I think we'd rather he wield a 500 pound deadly vehicle than a cage. Lord knows how bad that is. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 15:52:26 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:52:19 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More misadventures Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > You don't think that it could leak down over a week or two? Sure it could leak down over a week.. that's why i said check it once a week. (for those who ride near daily). I'm not going to carry a guage in my backpack, or pocket. If I wanted to carry everything I only needed once a week my pockets/backpack would get plenty heavy.. that being said AZ sells some half sized tire gauges. I'm going to compare it's acuracy to the digital gauge. If it's reasonable I'll throw it in with the tool kit. Not carry it on my person. > Or do you only do short rides? I only do short bus rides LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 15:56:57 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:56:50 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ya know, aftr thinkng about it.. maybe he was just trying to ride with the bikes and lost control.. it says he was a rider too. So I think maybe they got the charge right. However that's not to justify anything. Even if he didnt' mean to hurt anyone, he should have been able to foresee his endangerment could be deadly to others. there's a difference between speeding to contribute to manslaughter and driving dangerously to contribute to manslaughter IMO. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 16:43:06 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:42:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Subject: [dc-cycles] GS550 (1979) for sale, $1000 for those who don't check craigslist, http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/100218335.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 17:18:35 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:18:17 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 03:56 PM 9/27/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >ya know, aftr thinkng about it.. maybe he was just trying to ride >there's a difference between speeding to contribute to manslaughter >and driving dangerously to contribute to manslaughter IMO. Speeding *is* driving dangerously. People speed, and routinely break most other traffic laws, more today than ever before, so despite the fact that cars and bikes are far safer than they've ever been from a design standpoint, we *still* lose over 40,000 lives a year on the highways. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 17:18:37 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:12:02 -0400 To: "David Blumgart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection At 01:44 PM 9/27/05 -0500, David Blumgart wrote: >Does anyone have recommendations for where to get a motorcycle Maryland State inspection near College Park MD? I know about the guy in Potomac, but that's way Heyser in Laurel? http://www.heysercycle.com/ Any dealer that sells new bikes should be able to do an inspection, right? They may not want to, but they should be able to since they have to do them for their own bikes before sale. If that doesn't work, try asking the MVA for a list of places authorized and if an authorized place can refuse to do one (in Virginia, at least for cars, refusing to inspect will cost you your inspection authorization if the customer complains to the state police about it). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 17:50:55 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:50:47 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Speeding is NOT driving dangerously. You would have to add some other factor.. "traffic congestion" "weaving" "weather factors" etc. crashing at speed is dangerous. travelling at speed is not. On 9/27/05, Mike B. wrote: > Speeding *is* driving dangerously. People speed, and routinely break most > other traffic laws, more today than ever before, so despite the fact that > cars and bikes are far safer than they've ever been from a design > standpoint, we *still* lose over 40,000 lives a year on the highways. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 17:53:18 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:53:11 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection Cc: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Do NOT take your bike to heyser for an inspection. They will fail you and try to sell you stuff you don't need. That rings true for a lot of dealerships. Take your bike to a gas station. Go out of your way for an inspection. You bought a bike to ride it didn't you? On 9/27/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 01:44 PM 9/27/05 -0500, David Blumgart wrote: > >Does anyone have recommendations for where to get a motorcycle Maryland > State inspection near College Park MD? I know about the guy in Potomac, > but that's way > > Heyser in Laurel? http://www.heysercycle.com/ > > Any dealer that sells new bikes should be able to do an inspection, right? > They may not want to, but they should be able to since they have to do them > for their own bikes before sale. > > If that doesn't work, try asking the MVA for a list of places authorized > and if an authorized place can refuse to do one (in Virginia, at least for > cars, refusing to inspect will cost you your inspection authorization if > the customer complains to the state police about it). > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 17:54:23 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:54:14 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island Cc: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 9/27/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > crashing at speed is dangerous. travelling at speed is not. Unless you are in Virginia, in which the legislature has overruled the Va. Supreme Court's admonition that speed alone is not reckless, by defining "reckless driving" to be triggered by speed alone. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 18:39:33 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:39:22 -0400 From: Leonard Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection On 9/27/05, David Blumgart wrote: > Does anyone have recommendations for where to get a motorcycle Maryland State inspection near College Park MD? I know about the guy in Potomac, but that's way too far unless I'm forced to. Free State has been useless so far. Clinton is almost as much a PITA to get to as Potomac. Myers Cycle doesn't do them. I can't believe how difficult this seemly simple procedure is becoming. The Honda dealer in Crofton will do them, but wanted the bike for a couple days last time I asked. "Tans Cycles" in North Beach is well out of your desired geography - but did one for me a few months ago on "while you wait" basis. Kind of an independent H-D type shop but good folks and good service there. Two thumbs up. Leonard Roy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 19:40:32 2005 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:41:21 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Still looking for a bike! Looks like this might not have made it through my first attempt - apologies if it appears twice... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lowenstein" To: "The dc-cycles list administrator" Subject: Still looking for a bike! > As others have noted, there's no reason to avoid '80s Japanese bikes as a > category. A well-maintained machine from this period could give you years > of reliable service with a modest annual maintenance budget. > > A few options from 5 minutes on CL that might work well for you: > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/99692151.html > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/99275181.html > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/97230869.html > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/96188191.html > > Once you find something that looks like it will meet your needs, post > another request to the list and you're sure to find someone to help assess > it for you for (at most) a small fee. > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > don't want to lose my leg when the bike tips over on me :) I've found a > > few older bikes (like 80's vintage) for decent prices but everyone > > knowledeable has told me not to go that route - too hard to get parts and > > find people to repair. > > > > So -- what do I do? I'd like to find something for around $1K but is that > > reasonable? Any suggestions where to look and how to evaluate what I > find? > > > > Lost without a bike, > > > > Anne > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 20:11:46 2005 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:10:07 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in Long Island Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 05:50 PM 9/27/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Speeding is NOT driving dangerously. Yes it is. Road speed limits are set based on lines of visibility (so you have time to stop in the area you can see ahead of you), the sort of area the road goes through (residential, business, rural, etc., which it related to the sort of emergency that is likely to come up (kids, cars and trucks pulling into traffic, deer, etc.), the road surface (paved, crowned, banked, etc.), among other things. If you speed and call it safe, you are claiming you know more about the situation than those who built the road, and those who've studied traffic accidents for decades. What are you basing this claim on? >You would have to add some other factor.. "traffic congestion" "weaving" >"weather factors" etc. No, you wouldn't. Those factors can make traveling at the posted speed limit extra dangerous, or even "reckless", at times, but lack of them does not make speeding safe. If you think it does, you just need more experience on the roads. You may get away with being an idiot 99 times out of 100, but it only takes one to kill you...or someone else. Around here the vast majority of the drivers are traveling well above the speed they are competent to handle most of the time. So long as nothing goes wrong, they usually get where they are going intact which leads them to mistakenly think they are good drivers. If something goes wrong, they will almost certainly do the wrong thing and make the resulting wreck much worse than it had to be, or would have been if they'd been traveling at the posted limit or below. Most people never took a physics class, and they don't realize how things work at high speeds. They think that stopping from 70 is only twice as hard as stopping from 35 for instance. They know nothing about reaction times, and can't do the math to see how following 1 second behind another vehicle with a 2/10 second reaction time (which is about as fast as a typical human can manage) will result in a steering wheel sandwitch if the vehicle in front of them does a panic stop...or worse, hits something big...even if their vehicle can brake as fast as the one in front...which isn't always the case anyway. Most can't even handle a skid without panicking! Even if you are a trained road racer, speeding on the streets is still dangerous. Conditions are unknown (even if you passed this way yesterday, or even an hour ago), other drivers are far from skilled, and some morons don't even carry tire gauges to make sure their contact with the planet is properly inflated before they ride off! >crashing at speed is dangerous. travelling at speed is not. The problem is that travelling at too high a speed tends to result in crashes often enough to make it unwise...and enough idiots who did so resulted in speed limits for everyone. Most people just aren't good enough at accurately estimating what constitutes a safe speed in a given situation, so the experts have to tell them. Ignoring the experts is usually a bad bet. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Sep 27 22:28:49 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:28:32 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: More misadventures My membership in the flying effects club derives from a 'Stich chest-pocket pull that sagged several times over the years, donating good gloves of all seasonality and a couple of kickstand pads to the open road. (No match for strewn wallets, however -- my sympathies.) My cure was a knotted leather thong pull on the zipper secured with a Velcro "snap" at the top: The snap consisting of a 2" sewn/glued vertical strip of loop, with a little longer strip of hook sewn at the bottom, forming a jaws to clamp down on the thong when closed. For a couple of years it's been easy and effective after other solutions weren't. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Ouch. That shrapnel hit the tail a couple of times. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: "Mike B." At 04:33 PM 9/26/05 -0400, Sean Jordan wrote: >Backpacks on the bike - zip BOTH zippers DOWN to one side. If the zippers >are both down on one side, it is damn near impossible for them to move up - Many zippers also have loops on the ends of the pulls...put something through them and the zippers will stay closed unless there's enough overload to cause the teeth to part on their own. You can use a small padlock, a large paper clip, or a large split-ring from an old key chain to secure the two together. Even a strong twist-tie might do it, or a small carabinier if you want easier access. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 10:02:23 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:01:12 -0400 From: skip To: "Mike B." CC: Danny Motorcycle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in LongIsland "Mike B." wrote: > Yes it is. Road speed limits are set based on lines of visibility (so you > have time to stop in the area you can see ahead of you), the sort of area > the road goes through (residential, business, rural, etc., which it related > to the sort of emergency that is likely to come up (kids, cars and trucks > pulling into traffic, deer, etc.), the road surface (paved, crowned, > banked, etc.), among other things. If you speed and call it safe, you are > claiming you know more about the situation than those who built the road, > and those who've studied traffic accidents for decades. What are you > basing this claim on? Mike, Are you stating that the engineers designed the beltway for 55 mph, no more? Because if we were to follow the engineers' guidelines we would certainly have raised the speed limit. there's a road that I drive every morning. it's -huge- 5 lanes. 2 each direction and a middle turn lane. sightlines are in the neighborhood of 1/4 mile. this road has a posted speed of 25 mph. It is not a business/residential area. I believe that that speed is set unrealistically low as a cash maker, as a realistic speed on this road is 35-40. would 60 be safe on this road? no. Is 25 warranted? no. is there a discrepancy between the posted speed, and what the road was designed for? Yes. Is there a discrepancy between the posted speed and what is a reasonable speed? yes. does that make me sparter than the engineers? No, it makes me a victim of stupid politicians. THINK OF THE CHILDREN! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 10:19:34 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:18:01 -0400 To: skip From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in LongIsland Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:01 AM 9/28/05 -0400, skip wrote: > > >"Mike B." wrote: > >> Yes it is. Road speed limits are set based on lines of visibility (so you >> have time to stop in the area you can see ahead of you), the sort of area >> the road goes through (residential, business, rural, etc., which it related >> to the sort of emergency that is likely to come up (kids, cars and trucks >> pulling into traffic, deer, etc.), the road surface (paved, crowned, >> banked, etc.), among other things. If you speed and call it safe, you are >> claiming you know more about the situation than those who built the road, >> and those who've studied traffic accidents for decades. What are you >> basing this claim on? > > >Mike, > >Are you stating that the engineers designed the beltway for 55 mph, no >more? Because if we were to follow the engineers' guidelines we would >certainly have raised the speed limit. Most of the beltway was designed for 65mph...the part through Rock Creek Park (between Georgia and 355) was designed for 50mph. The beltway was also designed for 1/4 of the traffic it currently carries too...and most of the people on it are doing 70mph+ anyway (when they aren't stopped due to excessive traffic load and/or an accident). >there's a road that I drive every morning. it's -huge- 5 lanes. 2 >each direction and a middle turn lane. sightlines are in the >neighborhood of 1/4 mile. this road has a posted speed of 25 mph. It >is not a business/residential area. > >I believe that that speed is set unrealistically low as a cash maker, as >a realistic speed on this road is 35-40. Sounds reasonable. Have you contacted the highway folks to ask them to raise the limit? Maybe they can explain why it is set where it is? Your beleif may be accurate, or you may be missing information. Calling those folks can get changes made at times. I called about a left turn lane on Cipriano in Lanham once. The road merged into a single lane from two just the other side of the intersection, and there were frequent problems with this. I called and suggested a right-turn-only lane. They decided that it would be better to have a left-turn-only lane instead, and to remove the concrete island that was intimidating some drivers on the other side of the intersection. They did this, and traffic flowed more smoothly afterwards. They said that a lot of the minor corrections they did were at the prompting of local residents and were happy to hear about any suggestions. Give it a try? If it doesn't work due to politicians, you can fix that at the next election if you care enough. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 10:50:12 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:48:16 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Road rage cager kills motorcyclist in LongIsland >>I believe that that speed is set unrealistically low as a cash maker, as a realistic speed on this road is 35-40. >> >> > >Sounds reasonable. Have you contacted the highway folks to ask them to >raise the limit? Maybe they can explain why it is set where it is? Your >beleif may be accurate, or you may be missing information. > > Do as I have done and join the NMA. They lobby for these changes, and against the more draconian laws. They also help you get out of tickets with a little research, such as whether the town did an engineering study before lowering or setting a speed limit. For the record, I tend to ride and drive about 10 over the limit at any given time, and try to hold my peak to about 15 over. This is never an issue when you do it within a few MPH of the flow of traffic. At least it shouldn't be, except to the revenuers. I am using a new mail client and abandoned my old filters. I haven't seen email from some people in well over a year. Lets see how it goes. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 11:29:47 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.182) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2005 15:29:37 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:29:35 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection 'Danny Motorcycle' wrote: >> Do NOT take your bike to heyser for an inspection. They will fail you >> and try to sell you stuff you don't need. That rings true for a >> lot of dealerships. Take your bike to a gas station. > Go out of your way for an inspection. You bought a bike to ride it didn't you? I hope you can appreciate the enormous restraint it takes to not simply reply "Oh, bite me, you useless twit!" I don't know Heyser, but I had a competent, honest inspection done by Free State Cycle last time, but their inspector can't take my bike any time soon, and neither can that outfit up on Georgia Ave. If you know of a auto inspection site that inspects bikes (other than the Potomac Amoco, and the Kensington Shell doesn't any more) please share it. Every other one I've called doesn't. And I rode 550 miles last weekend, but I also have a job, and a family, and a few other responsibilities, so if I can avoid it, I'd rather not drive thirty five miles one-way to waste a morning in a grubby waiting room reading a five-month-old Sports Illustrated. Other than that, I really appreciate your contribution. Thanks. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 11:45:40 2005 From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection To: "David Blumgart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:45:11 -0400 I took my bike to the Potomac Amaco and had a great experience. I drove out there with the girlfriend the night before and dropped off the bike. It quite justifiably failed the inspection. I took it there having just bought it and done nothing to it (a 1984 Ascot 500). I picked it up the next evening at my convenience. The bike was garaged while there. I returned about a month and a half later, with all the items done, and the mechanic inspected the work in about five minutes and wrote up the paperwork in ten. I could have left it overnight and picked it up the next day, but I had the time to take care of it and see the mechanic personally .. who's a really nice and completely reasonable guy. I cannot speak highly enough of the experience. Don't expect to "get away with" legitimate safety problems, but expect to not get dinged for cosmetics or weird franken-bike-ish things that have been done to your ride that have nothing to do with safety. Stephen On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:29:35 -0500 "David Blumgart" wrote: > 'Danny Motorcycle' wrote: > > >> Do NOT take your bike to heyser for an inspection. > They will fail you > >> and try to sell you stuff you don't need. That rings > true for a > >> lot of dealerships. Take your bike to a gas station. > > > Go out of your way for an inspection. You bought a bike > to ride it didn't you? > > I hope you can appreciate the enormous restraint it takes > to not simply reply "Oh, bite me, you useless twit!" > > I don't know Heyser, but I had a competent, honest > inspection done by Free State Cycle last time, but their > inspector can't take my bike any time soon, and neither > can that outfit up on Georgia Ave. > > If you know of a auto inspection site that inspects bikes > (other than the Potomac Amoco, and the Kensington Shell > doesn't any more) please share it. Every other one I've > called doesn't. > > And I rode 550 miles last weekend, but I also have a job, > and a family, and a few other responsibilities, so if I > can avoid it, I'd rather not drive thirty five miles > one-way to waste a morning in a grubby waiting room > reading a five-month-old Sports Illustrated. > > Other than that, I really appreciate your contribution. > Thanks. > > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 12:05:23 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2005 16:05:14 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:05:12 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection Theoctopus wrote: >> I took my bike to the Potomac Amaco and had a great >> experience....[snip] ...I returned about a month and >> a half later, with all the items done, and the mechanic >> inspected the work in about five minutes and >> wrote up the paperwork in ten....[snip]...I cannot speak >> highly enough of the experience.... Rick at Potomac Amoco gets many recomendations. Unless Free State can get their act together - they're 45 minutes closer and somewhat Metro accessible - I plan to head over there about 7:00 AM when they open next Saturday and check out his Sports Illustrated collection. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 12:17:31 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:17:21 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I clearly said "unless there are other factors, speeding in and of itself is not dangerous, crashing is dangerous"... then you started listing all those "other factors". If You go to a drag strip, and you run 130 mph in the 1/4 mile, you will not spontaneously combust before you come to a stop, because of speed. If you go to daytona and do 186 mph... speeding alone is not dangerous. Maybe I need to be a little more specific and state the same thing "on the proper stretches of land, in a hospitable environment, travelling at speed, in and of itself is not dangerous. speed does not kill nor cause accidents. Mechanical malfunction or driver error does". From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 12:49:49 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:49:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol Danny said: I clearly said "unless there are other factors, speeding in and of itself is not dangerous, crashing is dangerous"... then you started listing all those "other factors". If You go to a drag strip, and you run 130 mph in the 1/4 mile, you will not spontaneously combust before you come to a stop, because of speed. If you go to daytona and do 186 mph... speeding alone is not dangerous. [Dave] Oh yeah!? You think speed doesn't kill huh? Well why don't you just mosey on over to the pumpkin patch and ask all those pumpkins how THEY feel. If you ever watched Pumpkin Chunkin', you'd know that the speed at which the pumpkins are launched ( launchers call it "Freeing" ) from the air cannons does indeed 'kill' them. It's called "Pieing". ;-) So speed does kill... and it's not the sudden stop that kills those poor pumkins ;-) YMMV Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 13:00:17 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:00:03 -0400 Dave, Well, technically, that would be the accelleration that kills them, not the speed. Organic entities can only withstand so much g-force before they get squished. Zero to "X" in "Y" seconds is really no different than "X" to Zero in "Y" seconds. So, it's kind of the reverse of the sudden stop at the end.... Perry >From: "Dave Yates" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death > lol >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:49:26 +0000 > >Danny said: > I clearly said "unless there are other factors, speeding in and of >itself is not dangerous, crashing is dangerous"... then you started >listing all those "other factors". > > If You go to a drag strip, and you run 130 mph in the 1/4 mile, you >will not spontaneously combust before you come to a stop, because of >speed. If you go to daytona and do 186 mph... speeding alone is not >dangerous. > >[Dave] Oh yeah!? You think speed doesn't kill huh? Well why don't you >just mosey on over to the pumpkin patch and ask all those pumpkins how THEY >feel. > >If you ever watched Pumpkin Chunkin', you'd know that the speed at which >the pumpkins are launched ( launchers call it "Freeing" ) from the air >cannons does indeed 'kill' them. It's called "Pieing". ;-) > >So speed does kill... and it's not the sudden stop that kills those poor >pumkins ;-) > >YMMV > >Dave > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 13:56:16 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:56:09 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: David Blumgart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think most of the list will agree with me, taking your bike to a gas station is better. I think most of the list will agree that dealerships will try to sell you stuff that you don't really need. I think most of the list wll agree a 35 mile ride is a too little of a good thing. Most of us have lives.. and inspected motorcycles LOL. If you had concerns about "who does quick inspections" vs "close"..you should have been more specific. then I could have told you a nice place to take your bike. but since you are oversensitive smart mouth, take your bike to heyser!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. bwhahaha. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 14:11:27 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:11:19 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > [Dave] Oh yeah!? You think speed doesn't kill huh? Well why don't you just mosey on over to the pumpkin patch and ask all those pumpkins how THEY feel. > > If you ever watched Pumpkin Chunkin', you'd know that the speed at which the pumpkins are launched ( launchers call it "Freeing" ) from the air cannons does indeed 'kill' them. It's called "Pieing". ;-) > > So speed does kill... and it's not the sudden stop that kills those poor pumkins ;-) Yea I thought about something like that before i posted.. but since we can't seem to get our vehicles to gain that much velocity... I negated to mention it :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 14:57:11 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:44:53 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:17 PM 9/28/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I clearly said "unless there are other factors, speeding in and of >itself is not dangerous, crashing is dangerous"... then you started >listing all those "other factors". Are you serious? Or are you doing this as an act for some warped reason? Sitting on a pile of dynamite smoking a cigarette isn't dangerous by your definition...unless it happens to explode. Riding around on bald tires isn't dangerous...unless one happens to blow out. You seem to be claiming that nothing is dangerous...until it is. You seem to be missing completely the connection between bad consequences and the poor decisions that led to them. The actual situation in the reality everyone else inhabits is that nothing is 100% safe. You can die doing almost anything, including nothing. The word "dangerous" isn't used to contrast safe and deadly, it is used to indicate those things that increase risk beyond a reasonable level. Speeding is defined by society as exceeding a reasonable level of risk due to rate of travel on public roads. Experience has shown how fast people can travel at a reasonable level of risk on a given stretch of road, or one very similar to it, under good conditions (dry road, decent light, etc.) so society sets the speed *limit* at that speed. If you go faster, you are exceeding the limit of reasonable safety and moving into unreasonable risk territory...that is, acting dangerously. Same could be said of going at the speed limit if conditions are *not* good (icy roads, heavy rain, bald tires, etc.). It's a speed *limit*, not a "required minimum speed" (some roads do have those, whether posted or not, but most do not, and even where they exist, conditions will affect them). > If You go to a drag strip, and you run 130 mph in the 1/4 mile, you >will not spontaneously combust before you come to a stop, because of >speed. If you go to daytona and do 186 mph... speeding alone is not >dangerous. It's also not illegal. It is not "speeding". It is just "going fast". Different conditions, different risks, different legal situation. However, even at the drag strip going fast is more dangerous than going slow. You *are* aware that the laws against speeding are not *just* to keep idiots from killing themselves, right? They are also to keep idiots from killing *other* people? >Maybe I need to be a little more specific and state the same thing >"on the proper stretches of land, in a hospitable environment, >travelling at speed, in and of itself is not dangerous. Depends on the speed. People wreck on the Boniville Salt Flats, and yes, speed is a factor in most of them. The same vehicle, moving at 25 mph, would generally not have crashed. The "proper stretches of land" do not include public roads. On public roads, if you want to get an idea of the maximum safe speed (which is *not* defined as the maximum speed you can manage to maintain control 99 times out of 100 if nothing goes wrong mechanically and if everyone else, and everything else, stays out of your way and nothing unexpected is wrong with the roadway) just take a look at the speed limit signs. Going faster than that is defined by society as "dangerous". Can you do it and not cause a problem? Most likely yes, most of the time. Does that make it safe (i.e. "not dangerous")? Nope. You don't have a right to decide that on your own. >speed does not >kill nor cause accidents. Mechanical malfunction or driver error >does". Wrong. Speed takes away reaction time. Less reaction time means you don't have as long to find an optimal solution to a sudden problem, and you are likely to over control as a result. Speed increases energy. More energy means it's harder to stop or change direction. It can also lead to mechanical failure that would not have happened without the speed. Speed can turn a situation that would be no real problem into a fatality. Not necessarily for the one speeding either. "Speed kills, precious." -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 14:57:12 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:56:48 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle , David Blumgart From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:56 PM 9/28/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >I think most of the list will agree with me, taking your bike to a gas >station is better. If you want gas, sure. Please remember that this is Maryland, not Virginia. We only get state inspections when the title changes hands, not every year. Inspections here are a major deal, not a "flash the lights, honk the horn, and if you stopped in the bay the brakes are fine" sort of thing. Most service stations don't do inspections at all, and a lot of the places that do them aren't equipped to do them for bikes (either knowledge or facilities). That limits choices a bit more than is the case for a Virginia inspection. From what's being posted here, there appear to be *some* stations that can do a good job with them. Since all my bikes have been new, the dealers have done the inspections on mine. As far as Heyser goes, I didn't buy my old Honda from them, but they did the service on it while I owned it and I never had a problem with them. This was the 80s, and things can certainly have changed since then, but that was my experience. That they are still in business, and have expanded their line since then from what I see on the web page, would seem to indicate that a lot of people don't mind doing business with them. That's not a guarantee that they know what they are doing, but it's certainly a good sign. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 15:29:37 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:29:28 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol Damn, Mike! Give Danny a break! Why is everyone always so hard on the poor guy? (Obvious reasons aside....) -Thomas Jordan (Who has never operated a motorcycle with bald tires, safely, dangerously, or otherwise.) On 9/28/05, Mike B. wrote: > > Are you serious? Or are you doing this as an act for some warped reason? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 15:38:47 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:38:38 -0400 For those who may be wondering: In MARYLAND, any Authorized Inspection Station (for cars) can perform motorcycle inspections if... ...the inspector has a valid motorcycle endorsement on his/her license. That's it. Nothing else. So, if they can inspect cars, all they really need is someone who rides and they can do motorcycles. Now, finding one that has someone who rides - well, that's another story... Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Sep 28 16:00:54 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2005 20:00:47 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:00:47 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Getting a Maryland M/C inspection Perry Coleman wrote: >>[Snip]...So, if they can inspect cars, all they really need is someone >>who rides and they can do motorcycles. Now, finding one that has someone >>who rides - well, that's another story... And that's the rub. Most people don't ride. Most Inspection Stations don't do bikes. BUT You, Perry, had the outstanding suggestion of checking with the Dirt Shop in College Park, and while they don't do inspections, they directed me to the Mobile Station in Greenbelt (AKA Greenbelt Auto and Truck Repair, 159 Centerway, 301-474-8348)that does, and while you wait. Score. Advantage: DC-cycles. DB David B. Current menagerie (many often run): '74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 00:26:49 2005 From: "jeremy.purdy" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:26:35 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop I just found out that my employer will soon be supplying me with a laptop. I know that people on this list have discussed transporting laptops on motorcycles in the past, but never paid much attention since it didn't affect me. Do I need to be concerned with vibrations while driving to work and back? Is there a special type of carrying case that I should use? Jeremy -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 08:19:10 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:19:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop JP, overjoyed at the prospect of being at the boss's beck and call... I just found out that my employer will soon be supplying me with a laptop. I know that people on this list have discussed transporting laptops on motorcycles in the past, but never paid much attention since it didn't affect me. Do I need to be concerned with vibrations while driving to work and back? Is there a special type of carrying case that I should use? [Dave] The operative words are "Employer" and "Supplying". Treat that thing like the door stop, kickstand support, efi tuning and pinball playing platform it is. Special case? Vibes? Not just no, HELL no! Use a cargo net. If it comes off during a spirited ride, it was meant to be. They know you ride, right? If it's that important to the employer, they'll provide you with a tough padded case, good to triple digit speeds. I got scoffed at once because I proclaimed I would not take a cell call while driving. You'd have thought I proclaimed that God didn't exist or something... My response to why was along the lines of "Because it's dangerous to everyone around...Besides, it's not like you're going to get a hold of me on the motorcycle anyway. I've used the cargo net with success, truth be told, I haven't dumped the laptop on the pavement once. . Another option I've used is a tail pack, with the cords adjusted further out, to fit over top of the lap top & case. Just remember, one more thing to carry around with suit, gloves, helmet & lock... HTH Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 08:24:27 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Dave Yates wrote: > I've used the cargo net with success, truth be told, I haven't dumped the laptop on the pavement once. . Another option I've used is a tail pack, with the cords adjusted further out, to fit over top of the lap top & case. > > Just remember, one more thing to carry around with suit, gloves, helmet & lock... > > HTH > Dave When I rode to work, I used a tailpack as my gym bag and my tankbag as my 'briefcase'. Laptop was lugged in the tankbag (magnetic at that!!!!!) :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 08:33:03 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:32:53 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "jeremy.purdy" Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop jeremy.purdy wrote: > > Do I need to be concerned with vibrations while driving to work and > back? Is there a special type of carrying case that I should use? Nope. I've used tankbags ( magnetic and strap ), the briefcase they came with, and my ST's saddle. In the tank bag I only used a notepad in the bottom as a light pad between the tank and the laptop, cardboard would work also. In the St's saddle, I wrapped the laptop with a thin piece neoprene and shoved into the saddle bag. And I've cargo netted the whole laptop case to the ST's rack. Like Dave said "Treat that thing like the door stop, kickstand support, efi tuning and pinball playing platform it is. Special case? Vibes? Not just no, HELL no!" I've traveled this way with 4 laptops, I still use two of them and I've never had an issue. I will say the Dell laptops seem to be pretty sturdy. > > Jeremy > Tom de From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 08:42:20 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:42:17 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop jeremy.purdy wrote: > I just found out that my employer will soon be supplying me with a > laptop. I know that people on this list have discussed transporting > laptops on motorcycles in the past, but never paid much attention > since it didn't affect me. Although I prefer Yates' answer, I have a gov't laptop I have to carry around with me frequently. For this, they gave us Spire backpacks with padded sleeves. These (IMHO) are awesome if you have to travel with a laptop frequently. The bags are water resistant to begin with, and inside the sleeve, the laptop is basically waterproofed. I ride with mine all the time, rain and shine - never an issue. And for overnight business trips, you can fit clothes in with laptop accessories, carrying only one bag. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 08:56:27 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:56:19 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office The weather has been too good lately so a "sick day" was in order. I wanted to go somewhere different, and the hills of Virginia were not calling my name. I usually like to head out that way with one other rider. Rode Rock Creek and all around with a brief stop on Connecticut and then I wanted something new. St. Michaels on the bay. Visions of Key West dancing in my head, I hit highway 50 via the beltway. A fast and mundane ride until the Bay Bridge. For those that haven't the Bay Bridge is really, really cool on two wheels. The one caveat is lane dancing with an unwanted partner known as cross-winds. The bay, the sky...what could be better. More highway 50 for 40 miles or so and then 33 to St. Michaels. No turns. Los of bugs. Can't see the water. Hit Taste deli on Talbot for a very forgettable sandwich. The ice cream parlor across the street was also disappointing. The looks of the locals as I invaded their saloon were priceless. Key West it is not. If you like antique shops there is something for you. The super sleek, super tech massive leisure boats sprouting gadgets left and right were something to see. The atmosphere was lacking a certain something. Slabbed back down the 50, collecting insect life and waited for the return trip across the bridge which was the high point of the day. Looks like I get about 120 miles per 4.5 gallon tank on the R1. This leads to some questions. When the fuel light engages, is there anyway of knowing how much fuel you have left? Is there a certain standard percentage of tank size that must be "kept" for reserve? By virtue of the fact that I have only been ever able to pump 3.8 gallons, dos this mean that I have .75 as a reserve? You can never completely fill the tank so there is always some space left especially when the bike is leaned. All in all, a great day to be away but I will choose a different destination next time. Highway 213 had a few nice sweepers and no traffic. This is just before Easton, Md. 1700 miles on the bike and I feel we haven't fully meshed yet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 09:01:49 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:01:47 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: Julian Halton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office I need a sick day badly. The weather is incredible. I had to drive my truck in today and it was killing me. Julian Halton wrote: > >The weather has been too good lately so a "sick day" was in order. > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 09:03:51 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:03:42 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop Cc: DC-Cycles I travel on the bike with mine all the time. I usually carry it in a "shock pocket" in the saddlebag. Other times I use a courier bag. No problems after 4 years of doing so. Frankly, it gets beat up more going through airport security. Aaron On 9/29/05, Mike Troutman wrote: > jeremy.purdy wrote: > > > I just found out that my employer will soon be supplying me with a > > laptop. I know that people on this list have discussed transporting > > laptops on motorcycles in the past, but never paid much attention > > since it didn't affect me. > > Although I prefer Yates' answer, I have a gov't laptop I have to carry > around with me frequently. For this, they gave us Spire backpacks with > padded sleeves. These (IMHO) are awesome if you have to travel with a > laptop frequently. The bags are water resistant to begin with, and > inside the sleeve, the laptop is basically waterproofed. I ride with > mine all the time, rain and shine - never an issue. And for overnight > business trips, you can fit clothes in with laptop accessories, carrying > only one bag. > > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > ICQ 239667121 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 10:07:35 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:07:27 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Heads Up URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC 525 AM EDT THU SEP 29 2005 DCZ001-MDZ002>007-009>011-013-014-016>018-VAZ021-025>031-036>042- 050>057-WVZ048>055-291530- /X.NEW.KLWX.WI.Y.0001.050929T1200Z-050929T1800Z/ DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-ALLEGANY-WASHINGTON-FREDERICK MD-CARROLL- NORTHERN BALTIMORE-HARFORD-MONTGOMERY-HOWARD-SOUTHERN BALTIMORE- PRINCE GEORGES-ANNE ARUNDEL-CHARLES-ST. MARYS-CALVERT-HIGHLAND- AUGUSTA-ROCKINGHAM-SHENANDOAH-FREDERICK VA-PAGE-WARREN-CLARKE- NELSON-ALBEMARLE-GREENE-MADISON-RAPPAHANNOCK-FAUQUIER-LOUDOUN- ORANGE-CULPEPER-PRINCE WILLIAM/MANASSAS/MANASSAS PARK-FAIRFAX- ARLINGTON/FALLS CHURCH/ALEXANDRIA-STAFFORD-SPOTSYLVANIA- KING GEORGE-GRANT-MINERAL-HAMPSHIRE-MORGAN-BERKELEY-JEFFERSON- PENDLETON-HARDY- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WASHINGTON...CUMBERLAND...HAGERSTOWN... FREDERICK...WESTMINSTER...GAITHERSBURG...COLUMBIA...BALTIMORE... ANNAPOLIS...WALDORF...ST MARYS CITY...STAUNTON...WAYNESBORO... HARRISONBURG...WINCHESTER...FRONT ROYAL...CHARLOTTESVILLE... LEESBURG...CULPEPER...MANASSAS...MANASSAS PARK...FAIRFAX... ALEXANDRIA...FALLS CHURCH...FREDERICKSBURG...BAYARD... PETERSBURG...KEYSER...MARTINSBURG...CHARLES TOWN 525 AM EDT THU SEP 29 2005 ...WIND ADVISORY IN EFFECT UNTIL 2 PM EDT THIS AFTERNOON... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A WIND ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 2 PM EDT THIS AFTERNOON. A COLD FRONT WILL CROSS THE REGION THIS MORNING AND EARLY THIS AFTERNOON WITH A BAND OF SCATTERED SHOWERS. WHILE THE SHOWERS WILL NOT BRING TOO MUCH IN THE WAY OF NEEDED RAIN... THEY WILL BRING STRONG GUSTY WINDS. SOME OF THE WIND GUSTS WILL REACH 50 MPH AS THE SHOWERS PASS THROUGH. IN ADDITION TO THE SHOWERS... SOUTHWEST WINDS AHEAD OF... AND NORTHWEST WINDS BEHIND THE FRONT WILL BE GUSTY FOR SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE AND AFTER THE FRONT PASSES THROUGH. SECURE ANY LOOSE OBJECTS ON YOUR PROPERTY. BOATERS SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR DANGEROUS WIND GUSTS TODAY. A WIND ADVISORY MEANS THAT WIND GUSTS GREATER THAN 45 MPH ARE EXPECTED. WINDS THIS STRONG CAN MAKE DRIVING DIFFICULT...ESPECIALLY FOR HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES. USE EXTRA CAUTION. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 10:38:38 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:38:24 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/29/2005 8:56:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > When the fuel light engages, is there anyway > of knowing how much fuel you have left? Yes, sorta. > By virtue of > the fact that I have only been ever able to pump 3.8 gallons, dos this > mean that I have .75 as a reserve? If your owners manual says your tank holds 4.55 gal. and your fuel light comes on _at_ 3.8 gal. then yes, sorta. For instance my tank supposedly holds 7.4 gal. I know when my fuel light comes on how much fuel I have used (within limits of fuel consumption variables) but when I counted on that number I wound up coasting about a mile+- to a gas station (downhill thank goodness) because my tank only holds 7._2_ gal. in reality (easy to check when your tank is empty #:-( The only way to really know, sorta, is to know _exactly_ how much your tank holds and _exactly_ how much you have used when your fuel light comes on and that requires zipping into a gas station the instant you fuel light comes on to see how much you have used at that point. And running out is the way to see how much you really hold #:-/ Of course if you are on a bumpy road sloshing fuel will delay hitting reserve, if you have one, or your fuel light coming on if that is what you have fu*#ing up what I just said. > Is there a certain standard > percentage of tank size that must be "kept" for reserve? No. I once enlarged the reserve on one of my bikes (easy to do) DUMBEST thing I ever did. I would hit reserve and think "I have plenty of fuel, I enlarged my reserve!" and run my ass out of fuel. Ran that bike out of gas more than all of my other bikes combined. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 10:43:55 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:43:47 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office On 9/29/05, Julian Halton wrote: > The weather has been too good lately so a "sick day" was in order. Just in time... today is gonna suck. At least it'll clear out for the weekend. ;) > St. Michaels on the bay. The atmosphere was lacking a certain > something. The east coast up here has never done much for me. Once you're north of Georgia, IMO, the beaches (and coastal life in general) is highly over-rated. It's generally worth it for the trip for the bridge, but then I usually turn around and come right back once I've made it that far. :S > Looks like I get about 120 miles per 4.5 gallon tank on the R1. This > leads to some questions. When the fuel light engages, is there anyway > of knowing how much fuel you have left? Hrm... that sounds REAL low, IMO. If you're filling 3.8 gallons and only getting 120 miles out of that, that's about 31 MPG. I would have expected at least 40 out of it on the highway, if not 50. > Is there a certain standard > percentage of tank size that must be "kept" for reserve? By virtue of > the fact that I have only been ever able to pump 3.8 gallons, dos this > mean that I have .75 as a reserve? There is really only one way to find out. Take a 1.5 gallon can of gas with you and run the bike dry. You could also go with a friend who has a bigger tank and can drain some of his into yours when you empty yours (safer, but a pain in the asscot). Generally all of the gas level sensor units rely on some kind of mechanical "float" and will be prone to slight errors. While someone else can give you an idea of how much reserve you have, the only real way to be sure is to find out the hard way. I know that mine has gone 40 miles on reserve, but I have a much bigger tank and it's set up for touring, so it probably has a much bigger reserve as well. > You can never completely fill the > tank so there is always some space left especially when the bike is > leaned. A tip from the touring side of the house... if you have a center stand, use it when you know you're going to be slabbing it. It'll allow a bit more fuel in there. If you don't have one, fill on the side stand, then sit on the bike and level it yourself while topping up the last little bit. It might not add much, but it might give you an extra 20-30 miles between fill ups. Note: Do not try this unless you know you're going to be running long enough to eat up some of the gas... On some bikes, having an absolutely full tank when you park it will simply give you a puddle of gas on the ground. > All in all, a great day to be away but I will choose a different > destination next time. Highway 213 had a few nice sweepers and no > traffic. This is just before Easton, Md. 1700 miles on the bike and I > feel we haven't fully meshed yet. Might I recommend heading up towards Winchester and then up 522 towards Berkely Springs? There are some fantastic rides and views out in Allegany, Morgan and Mineral counties. It's a bit different, but you're very quickly out of civilization and on roads where you might not see another car for a good half an hour or so. Just pick one of the marked Scenic Byways and go nuts. Take a map or a GPS, you'll need it to find your way home unless you bump into I-68. This area is freqently one of my got-to-get-away-from-it-for-a-day playgrounds. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 10:45:12 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Heads Up To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX "WINDS THIS STRONG CAN MAKE DRIVING DIFFICULT...ESPECIALLY FOR HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES." good thing we don't have high profile vehicles. hehe, funny I know. actually, on second thought....height vs. width ratio would make us pretty darn high profiled :\ Thanks for the note, I knew we were getting rain, but wasn't aware of the wind. - Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 10:51:54 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:51:43 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop On 9/29/05, jeremy.purdy wrote: > Do I need to be concerned with vibrations while driving to work and back? > Is there a special type of carrying case that I should use? Vibes killed my first office laptop on the FZ1. Now I use a slightly more padded bag and toss it in the Givi. Working fine so far. But... you're looking at this the wrong way... your sig didn't specify which V-Star you're running. You could get a backrest, sissybar and touring pack out of this. "Gee, that's great guys, but I don't have anywhere on the bike to carry it. If you really need me to have one, I'll need a luggage rack and touring pack." ;) --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 10:58:55 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I would completely disagree. The beaches in North Carolina and Cape Cod, not to mention a good portion of the Maine coast are pretty amazing. Glenn --- smthng else wrote: > The east coast up here has never done much for me. > Once you're north > of Georgia, IMO, the beaches (and coastal life in > general) is highly > over-rated. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 11:09:27 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:09:10 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/29/2005 10:44:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smthngelse@XXXXXX writes: > if you have a center > stand, use it when you know you're going to be slabbing it. It'll > allow a bit more fuel in there. Usually true, but not always true. I assumed it was on my bike for several years but found out that it makes no difference at all on my ST. BUT!!! that is due to the shape of my tank, and the truth, or lack of truth, of your statement will depend on your own tank shape. I would check it just to see if it is worth while to put a fully loaded bike on the center stand or do the balancing act while filling your tank. But it is usually true. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 11:31:57 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:31:48 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fuel tank capacity, was Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office On 9/29/05, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 9/29/2005 10:44:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > smthngelse@XXXXXX writes: > > > if you have a center > > stand, use it when you know you're going to be slabbing it. It'll > > allow a bit more fuel in there. > > Usually true, but not always true. I assumed it was on my bike for several > years but found out that it makes no difference at all on my ST. BUT!!! that is > due to the shape of my tank, and the truth, or lack of truth, of your > statement will depend on your own tank shape.... > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Sometimes when filling the KLR, I'll stand on the left side of the bike and nudge it upright off the side stand with my hip. If the level goes down a bit, I'll top it off. My VF500F also seemed to like this "burping" technique that allowed me to add a couple tenths to a full tank. Just make sure the thing's in gear and don't "nudge" it too far over to the right. :) The shape of your tank is also a factor in how much of the available fuel in the tank you can actually burn. My KLR hits reserve after consuming five gallons of a full tank and it is advertised as having a 6.1-gallon tank (23 liters). I never take it beyond 5.5 gallons, since only about 5.75 of the total capacity is actually usable, unless you like tilting the bike over on its port side to slosh the gas over the "dam" in the center of the fuel tank. A good portion of the "reserve" is trapped on the right side, since the tank sits like a saddle over the frame and the petcock is of course on the left side. Some enterprising soul has no doubt equipped his KLR with two petcocks for this reason. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 11:33:34 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:33:25 -0400 I carry mine in a Givi top box that I've added to my Concours. The laptop is in a standard padded briefcase bag. I've been doing that for years, with no problems. It works great for a touring-oriented bike, but may not be a desirable option for a sporrt or standard-type bike. Perry >From: "jeremy.purdy" >To: "DC-Cycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Transporting a laptop >Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:26:35 -0400 > >I just found out that my employer will soon be supplying me with a laptop. >I know that people on this list have discussed transporting laptops on >motorcycles in the past, but never paid much attention since it didn't >affect me. > >Do I need to be concerned with vibrations while driving to work and back? >Is there a special type of carrying case that I should use? > >Jeremy > >-- >Jeremy Purdy >'00 Yamaha V-Star > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 12:36:30 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'theoctopus@XXXXXX'" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:36:37 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Maryland M/C inspection-Speed Kills: Getting a Maryland M/C inspection: A "Me too" to the Octopus' experience. I've had two bikes inspected at the Potomac Amoco/BP. 1. Call and make an appointment 2. Show up. 3. $35 and ~20 minutes later you're out of there. He does a good thorough inspection with no B.S. For one bike, the PO had put "driving lights" with blue lenses. Rick said those were illegal. I offered to unplug them. He passed it. For the other bike, Rick said it must have a chain guard. I said "Dang, I forgot to put it on last night" and offered to bring it back with a chain guard. He passed it. He will flunk thin brake rotors. "Thanx and a tip 'o the hat" to Tom Gimer Speed Kills: The Beltway speed limit was 70 MPH when I moved here in 1972. It was lowered to 50 MPH during the gas crisis then raised to 55MPH at the behest of the trucking industry. So, I'm guessing it was designed for higher speeds . . . in the hands of competent drivers. Oh well. High G forces during acceleration -- or most often during deceleration -- can kill. Carl (on digest) in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 12:54:59 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:54:50 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Maryland M/C inspection-Speed Kills: > High G forces during acceleration -- or most often during deceleration -- > can kill. Very few vehicles can do the former. They all can do the latter. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 13:11:56 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:12:07 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] More misadventures (Zippers) Long ago, (when Paul was a toddler :^) I had a saddle bag zipper open and spill it's contents. Since then all my bag zippers (back pack too) get a positive closure. Most of the older ones have a simple snap hook but since buying a bag of colored cheap chinee carabiners at Harbor Freight, I've added those. Bet Linda Tanner would use good carabiners. Tip of the day: Ever fish through the myriad of pockets in your 'Stich looking for your keys? Run a split ring through your jacket zipper closer, slip a carabiner through the snap ring and you have a fine place to hang your keys. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahora); '83 VF700F (666); 96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 13:20:34 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, smthng else wrote: > > Looks like I get about 120 miles per 4.5 gallon tank on the R1. This > > leads to some questions. When the fuel light engages, is there anyway > > of knowing how much fuel you have left? > > Hrm... that sounds REAL low, IMO. If you're filling 3.8 gallons and > only getting 120 miles out of that, that's about 31 MPG. I would have > expected at least 40 out of it on the highway, if not 50. Sounds reasonable to me. I only average 35-ish on my 'Busa for normal riding. If I'm trying to conserve, I get in the mid-high 40s, but that's no fun :-) I would think the higher revving literbikes would get a few points lower than my bigger displacement torque monster :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 13:23:16 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:23:09 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone going to this: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/mcy/sportbike_reveal.aspx 2006 Yamaha sport bike unveiling. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 13:24:59 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Glenn Dysart wrote: > I would completely disagree. The beaches in North > Carolina and Cape Cod, not to mention a good portion > of the Maine coast are pretty amazing. > > Glenn I'm with Glenn on NC. I spent most of last spring/summer at my house in Corolla, NC (NC Outer Banks). The area is absolutely beautiful. Stay away from the dense rental areas and it's a great place to live/vacation, IMO. Off season, it's a ghost town. Very nice. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 14:31:46 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:31:27 EDT Subject: Re: Fuel tank capacity, was Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/29/2005 11:32:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > since only about 5.75 of the total capacity is actually usable, unless > you like tilting the bike over on its port side to slosh the gas over > the "dam" in the center of the fuel tank. Or ride it over rough terrain, it is a KLR after all, believe me that _will_ take care of it. > and the petcock is of course on the left side. > Some enterprising soul has no doubt equipped his KLR with two petcocks > for this reason. Or simply a crossover tube. Virtually all bikes had them once upon a time, a tube that ran from one side to the other under the frame allowing fuel to flow from one side to the other. The downside was that it made removing the tank a PITA, I still have purpose made "hemostats" for pinching off the line running under the tank. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 14:35:57 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:35:45 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] HEALTH INSURANCE BILL FOR MOTORCYCLISTS Taken from another site Quote This is a very important issue for motorcyclists across the country. We have been set up for a screwing by one of our "Administrations" which was clearly a result of undo influence from the Insurance Lobby. Your Group Health Care Insurance provider cannot deny you coverage because you ride BUT they can refuse to pay any benefit claim if you are injured in an accident on your bike. We have an opportunity to correct this injustice RIGHT NOW. There are two bills in Congress (House and Senate versions) to close this loophole. Follow the directions and let your guys in Washington know that there is broad support among their constituents to pass this legislation. Go to http://www.AMADIRECTLINK.COM In the left column, top item, click on AMA RAPID RESPONSE CENTER The next screen will show (4) four ACTION ALERTS. Click on the one for the HOUSE INTRODUCES HEALTH INSURANCE BILL FOR MOTORCYCLISTS. Use the scroll down bar immediately adjacent to the text and fill in your name and address information. Fill in your name in the box labeled "Your Closing:". Finally, click on the "Send Message" box. This will go to the Congressman in your District. It knows who he (she) is from your address. Go back to the ACTION ALERTS screen and repeat the process for the one titled "SENATE INTRODUCES HEALTH INSURANCE BILL FOR MOTORCYCLISTS". This will go to your Senators. Note that there are instructions for editing the AMA text if you care to change anything or add your own comments. If you choose to do so, keep it clean and polite. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 15:26:27 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:26:17 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fuel tank capacity, was Re: [dc-cycles] A Day away from the office > Some enterprising soul has no doubt equipped his KLR with two petcocks > for this reason. Been done. My '66 BSA Lightning had a pair of petcocks with a tube that connected them that ran under a frame member. Was a minor PITA when removing the tank. Would up removing the crossover and blocking the second output on each petcock, running the fuel line directly to each carb (right petcock to right carb, etc.). That led to another occasional problem that you wouldn't have with a KLR. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 16:37:12 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:37:05 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Maryland M/C inspection-Speed Kills: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Alright so it's settled, speed it up and try not to slow down too much :) On 9/29/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > High G forces during acceleration -- or most often during deceleration -- > > can kill. > > Very few vehicles can do the former. They all can do the latter. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 20:08:55 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:08:45 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow.. and I thought I was long winded.. On 9/28/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 12:17 PM 9/28/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > I clearly said "unless there are other factors, speeding in and of > >itself is not dangerous, crashing is dangerous"... then you started > >listing all those "other factors". > > Are you serious? Or are you doing this as an act for some warped reason? I hear you sounding off on par with bible thumpers and the ilk.. but come on.. TELL ME YOU DON"T SPEED? hahahaha. When was the last time you went over the speed limit? UNLESS it's been years (and you're a recovered speeder, cuz i'm sure you have sped in your lifetime).. THEN you're a hypocrite crying about all this speed is dangerous, the roads are set up for speeds blah blah blah. So what's the real truth.. are you all talk? or do you just drive the speed limit? Are your actions louder than your wrong words? my guess is you'rea friggin speeder hypocrite! > Sitting on a pile of dynamite smoking a cigarette isn't dangerous by your > definition...unless it happens to explode. Ah what a wonderful arguement, thank you for creating that analagy on my behalf.. that is EXACTLY what I would have said next. ha ha. > Riding around on bald tires isn't dangerous...unless one happens to blow out. Especially if you're going slow or runnng race slicks. So I agree with you... or unless the road has debris.. >You seem to be claiming that nothing is dangerous...until it is. You seem to be missing completely > the connection between bad consequences and the poor decisions that led to > them. seem to be? oh here we go with the straw man "you are implying" arguements.. "nothing is dangerous".. chripees.. where did I say or imply "nothing" is dangerous.. what two criteria gave you this universal assumption of my "implications" IIRC I only said SPEEDING IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT DANGEROUS, and that's the ONLY thing I said.. so where do you get this "nothing" and dynamite on bald tires stuff. I am the KING of identifying poor decisions and thier consequences.. if you ever see me comment on someones bike accident, you see me say "often accidents are rider error/decision making" etc etc. not because i'm a self rightous prick (ahem) but because I want people to learn from mistakes. Speeding (itself) isn't an accident CAUSING mistake. reminder, the topic is SPEEDING. That being said, you can speed in some environments, and some you can't. Again, since we learn through repetition sometimes; Speeding itself is not inherently dangerous! most of us do it, and prove that. It is only when you add some other stupid factor that speed contributes to that factor, not cause it. > The actual situation in the reality everyone else inhabits is that nothing > is 100% safe. Wow.. I don't live in reality? How am I communicating with you then? this is freaky, two worlds connected. >You can die doing almost anything, including nothing. Wow.. who woulda ever thunk it that standing still can be a danger to your health. I guess I better speed up LOL >The > word "dangerous" isn't used to contrast safe and deadly, it is used to > indicate those things that increase risk beyond a reasonable level. Really.. hmm.. so you're saying speeding is unreasonable.. wow judging by the actions of society, society disagrees with you.. I'm also awaiting the answer to you speeding.. because if you speed, you admit you drive/ride risky and unreasonable, and if that's the case, you'd be better served to keep quiet instead of look like a overly vocal hypocrite. > Speeding is defined by society as exceeding a reasonable level of risk due > to rate of travel on public roads. Really? That's not what dictionary.com says! Are you sure i's society defining it, or it's you defining it, as that way? I don't think it's society! At worst, it's the gov't defining it that way, in order to raise revenue. or did you do some secret polling of society? >Experience has shown how fast people > can travel at a reasonable level of risk on a given stretch of road, or one > very similar to it, under good conditions (dry road, decent light, etc.) so > society sets the speed *limit* at that speed. B.S. society tends to drive over the limit, and would go even faster, except for fear of getting a traffic tickets. Obviously that is not the speed limit that they set, nore feel is reasonable. And you say I'm the one not in reality? oh wait i saw a citizen posting a green MPH sign the other day. ha. > If you go faster, you are > exceeding the limit of reasonable safety and moving into unreasonable risk > territory...that is, acting dangerously. I'm a dangerous actor, he's a dangerous actor, she's a dangerous actor, wouldn't you like to be a dangerous actor too! So.. you're saying what.. uhmm.. exactly how many MPH over the limit becomes unreasonable risk territory? Or the speed limit itself? because it seems like you said the speed limit itself. > Same could be said of going at > the speed limit if conditions are *not* good (icy roads, heavy rain, bald > tires, etc.). It's a speed *limit*, not a "required minimum speed" (some > roads do have those, whether posted or not, but most do not, and even where > they exist, conditions will affect them). My dog wears underwear. Oh I thought this is the part where we go off into completely unreleated discussion. > > If You go to a drag strip, and you run 130 mph in the 1/4 mile, you > >will not spontaneously combust before you come to a stop, because of > >speed. If you go to daytona and do 186 mph... speeding alone is not > >dangerous. > > It's also not illegal. It is not "speeding". It is just "going fast". > Different conditions, different risks, different legal situation. However, > even at the drag strip going fast is more dangerous than going slow. Oh i'm sorry.. let me clarify.. "going fast is not inherently dangerous"... nope nope wait... I recall, I did check the definition of speeding, and it didn't say anthng about legality on public roads. So you're telling me, a man can't go speeding down the drag strip.. (in or on some kind of vehicle). > You *are* aware that the laws against speeding are not *just* to keep > idiots from killing themselves, right? They are also to keep idiots from > killing *other* people? Well.. that's wonderful.. how about we make crashing unlawful. That would rock! Then we could speed all day long! Unfortunately, now law is powerful enough to prevent human stupidity. > >Maybe I need to be a little more specific and state the same thing > >"on the proper stretches of land, in a hospitable environment, > >travelling at speed, in and of itself is not dangerous. > > Depends on the speed. what? wait a minute.. you're flexible? what if we raise the speed limits.. then me speeding today is unreasonable and unsafe, but tomorrow it's not! You did argue that the speed limit is what is reasonable.. so what is reasonable can change. So now what, it's only unreasonable based on a sign? > People wreck on the Boniville Salt Flats, and yes, > speed is a factor in most of them. most? speed is a factor in every wreck. >The same vehicle, moving at 25 mph, would generally not have crashed. and in your great vagueness you know this. > The "proper stretches of land" do not include public roads. On public > roads, if you want to get an idea of the maximum safe speed (which is *not* > defined as the maximum speed you can manage to maintain control 99 times > out of 100 if nothing goes wrong mechanically and if everyone else, and > everything else, stays out of your way and nothing unexpected is wrong with > the roadway) just take a look at the speed limit signs. We all know MPH road signs are not the maximum safe speed. That's why we all exceed them. They include public roads for me :) > Going faster than > that is defined by society as "dangerous". Wrong. Society routinely goes faster than that, and obviously does nto feel it's dangerous or they wouldn't do it. > Can you do it and not cause a > problem? Most likely yes, most of the time. Does that make it safe (i.e. > "not dangerous")? Nope. You don't have a right to decide that on your own. As we agree, travelling in itself is dangerous. Going faster is more dangerous. Going fast itself, without qualification, is not unreasonably risky. (not sure we agree or disagree here) You say I don't have the right, I act like I do. I argue that I have the right to travel as fast as possible, so long as I don't harm anyone, or almost harm anyone. just like I have the right to jog, shadow box and train for a boxing match, so long as I don't run up to you and punch you in the nose ( I don't believe in initiating violence (exept as a prevention of such) so no need to tell me how you'd kick my butt lol) I call this my right to travel as timewise as efficiently as possible. If I have the (gov't recognized) right and freedom of movement and travel, then I should also have the right to do that as timewise as efficiently as possible so long as it does not endanger others. So if there is an uninhabited, empty straight away, I feel it's perfectly fine for ANYONE to go through it at 170 mph, if it's similiar to a drag strip or track setting. (damn it would be cool if we had an autobahn) I say this right is bestowed to me (ok and others) at birth, as God given. You or the go'vt may not recognize this right, but we all know just because a gov't doesn't recognize the right, does not mean that at a latter date it will, or that it does not exist. I guess those autobahn drivers agree with me. > >speed does not > >kill nor cause accidents. Mechanical malfunction or driver error > >does". > > Wrong. Speed takes away reaction time. Less reaction time means you don't > have as long to find an optimal solution to a sudden problem, and you are > likely to over control as a result. SHenanigans! I call shenanigans on you! "reaction time" would indicate there is something to react to, causing the problem of the accident. NOT SPEED. Your guessing of how one would have handling problems is unfounded speculation. Speeding in a less than optimum environment would be operator error. It would be the fault of poor decision making, not speed. Speed isnt' a killer. We're all alive, speeding bastards that we are. > Speed increases energy. More energy > means it's harder to stop or change direction. It can also lead to > mechanical failure that would not have happened without the speed. Speed > can turn a situation that would be no real problem into a fatality. Not > necessarily for the one speeding either. yea yea yea i never said speed wasn't a factor, I said it wasn't a cause! > "Speed kills, precious." If speed killed, I would have been dead on my ninja 250, or 4 cyclinder pinto engined fairmont. If speed killed, the population of the US would be wiped out. I would guess that more than 50% of driver speed, yet only 15.3 per 100,000 people died from motor vehicle injuries in USA 2001 (NCHS, 2003) . Speed kills.. apperantly at 0.0000444649% anually (here in the US) !!!!! > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) hard head makes for a soft tail LOL figures :) > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. Learning from success pretty good too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 20:17:24 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:17:16 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Speed kills!!! apparently at less than 1/1000ths of 1 percent. check my homework please Disclaimer: I'm merely a product of a sad P.G. county school system of which I dropped out and got my G.E.D. because I couldn't take such a poor education supplimented with abuse. that being said 1> i reserve the right to be wrong and make mathmatical, spelling and gramatical errors 2> ask that one of you more educated and worldly fellow listers check my homework! SPEED KILLS! Apparently at 0.000045446 percent! vehicle deaths kill less than 1/1000ths of 1% of americans. Speed kills 0.000045446 % of americans anually!!!! If this is true, we all need to slow the fock down!!! Speed kills!!! AAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Source: National Center for Statistics and Analysis of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/departments/nrd-30/ncsa/AvailInf.html# (see 2003 "overall" and "speed" statistics from the drop down menu) in 2003 42,643 people died in traffic fatalies. 14.66 per 100,000 speed was a contributing factor in 31% of those crashes. (14.66/100,000)*.31= 0.000045446 Is my formula wrong? - Danny Speed kills!! AAAGH From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 21:51:27 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:51:17 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speed kills!!! apparently at less than 1/1000ths of 1 percent. check my homework please Cc: DC Cycles On 9/29/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Is my formula wrong? Yes. For one, you divided by an extra 100 in figuring your percentage. But the bigger error is your oversight of this: > speed was a contributing factor in 31% of those crashes. That is, a contributing cause of one out of every three crashes last year (1/3, Danny, or 33%) was speed. Got it? I think that we all can agree, when we're not arguing for argument's sake, that relatively faster speeds lead to greater injury and damage (kinetic energy increasing with the square of speed, you know) and also give people less time to react. Aaron '03 BMW R1150GS '05 Stella 150 (<--- speed is not a great factor on this one) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 22:36:38 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:36:28 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol On 9/29/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > On 9/28/05, Mike B. wrote: > > At 12:17 PM 9/28/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: Ya'll have way too damn much free time. Any more than three paragraphs is a waste of effort. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Sep 29 23:29:23 2005 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:29:15 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speed kills!!! Homework double checked and turned in on time. I've got you covered, Danny! Hmmm.. But if excessive speed was a contributing factor in 31%, can't we deduce that not speeding was a contributing factor for the other 69%?? If those poor people had been speeding, they would've passed the accident scene before the accident happened. I'd have to agree with Danny for once... Speeding is statisticly safer than not speeding. Shit, the NHTSA put it on the internet, so it must be true. My math is correct (100% - 31% = 69%). I double checked with my abacus (defined by Dictionary.com as "A manual computing device consisting of a frame holding parallel rods strung with movable counters.") > On 9/29/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > Is my formula wrong? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 00:58:02 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:55:58 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed kills - so we all have a date with death lol Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:08 PM 9/29/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: Somewhere some poor village is missing its idiot... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 08:31:50 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Interesting Link http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/traffic1.html BTW, Mike Lynch and will be riding the Hatfield/McCoy trails this weekend. If anyone else is gonna be in that area dual-sporting let me know. Glenn __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 10:25:42 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting Link To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I routinely practice this on 267 in the mornings and sometimes in the evenings to smooth out the cluster fudge approaching the toll gate at rt7. I used to do it on 66 in my truck a few years ago also. It definitely works, the only problem is other drivers tend to view the empty space in front of me as free for the taking. On 267, being in the HOV, this isn't so much a problem as it was on 66 when I was in a non-HOV lane and every stab at the accelerator and jerk of the steering wheel is an attempt to show superiority. Every now and then I find someone else attempting to manage the flow of traffic this way, and usually I'll give them due credit. Too bad most of the time they just end up being too damn old to drive the speed limit (or above the speed "limit") or putting on makeup/talking on cell phone........ - Jimmy --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/traffic1.html __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 10:42:31 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:42:22 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting Link Cc: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 9/30/05, James O'Connor wrote: > I routinely practice this on 267 in the mornings and sometimes in the > evenings to smooth out the cluster fudge approaching the toll gate at > rt7. It would be nice if more drivers understood the dynamics of traffic congestion and that fact that it's not a force of nature, it's a consequence of driver behavior. Too many people are binary (go or stop) in their driving habits, one of the unfortunate consequences of automatic transmissions in my view. Add to that generally low situational awareness (AKA cager brain death) and myriad on-board toys and other distractions. Maybe if more people rode motorcycles they'd appreciate the joys of maintaining constant speeds on the superslab. :) Avoiding the extreme speed up/slow down accordion cycle reduces wear and tear on your vehicle and you get better fuel economy to boot. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 11:31:42 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:31:33 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speed kills!!! apparently at less than 1/1000ths of 1 percent. check my homework please Cc: DC Cycles Thanks.. for finding my error. On 9/29/05, Aaron Maurer wrote: > On 9/29/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > Is my formula wrong? > > Yes. For one, you divided by an extra 100 in figuring your > percentage. But the bigger error is your oversight of this: > > > speed was a contributing factor in 31% of those crashes. > > That is, a contributing cause of one out of every three crashes last > year (1/3, Danny, or 33%) was speed. Got it? No. not if you're quoting me, quoting NHSA, " it's a contributing factor 31% of fatalities" not "cause of 1/3 of every three crashes". Further more only 14% of that was on interstate highways. (Most sane speeding is on highways, and I agree one shouldn't speed on non highways) So the 31% this tells me there are much more important concerns, of what caused the other 69% of fatalities. For instance, 41% of fatalities were alcohol related. ( I haven't yet related how much is sleep related), and they said the most deadliest hours are from midnight to 3 a.m.) If you look at table 2 of http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2003F.pdf it brakes fatal crashes down by speed, more crashes happened at 55 mph, than they did "60 mph or higher". There were 12 thousand+ fatal crashes going 35 to 55 mph, while there were only 4 thousand+ going 60 MPH or above. So if you look at the numbers, you're safer going faster! Apparently speed does not kill! driving unsafely for the environment does! We can also blame rural areas for higher death rates at 60+ mph at the tune of 3 to 1 vs urban area 60+mph speeding. (maybe we should line all roads with jersey walls, i spose' trees kill) > I think that we all can agree, when we're not arguing for argument's > sake, that relatively faster speeds lead to greater injury and damage > (kinetic energy increasing with the square of speed, you know) and > also give people less time to react. That we can agree. However "speed kills" would be incorrect. Speed kills is over simplifying, inaccurate, and incorrect. Speed is only a factor, and a lessor factor than other factors, one would be better served to say "Alcohol kills", before saying speed kills. Hell why not say "sleep kills". I haven't even touched underaged and non liscensed drivers. Speed doesn't kill, and their are FAR bigger problems than speed to worry about when it comes to traffic fatalities. Anyone who cries "speed kills" is not looking at the facts of the whole picture. Further more, I like how the data is stated to sound scary. When the percentage is low, they omit the percentage. They rarely state how many overall people die. "oh my God 40,000 people died" uh yea, out of a whole country out of a whole year, less than what, 1/10 of 1% (playing it safe being conservative). Oh the sky is falling!!! > Aaron > '03 BMW R1150GS > '05 Stella 150 (<--- speed is not a great factor on this one) :) but yea, thanks! (for checking my math) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 11:35:46 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:35:37 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speed kills!!! apparently at less than 1/1000ths of 1 percent. check my homework please Cc: DC Cycles Oh and one more thing, some of the accidents where "speed was a factor", alcohol was also related ( I believe to to the tune of 41%), so we can cut the speeding (alone) factor down to 17 or so percent... throw in underaged driving, sleep, inattentivness etc.. We'll find the real causes! speed is a factor, or byproduct.. not a cause! Danny speeding in Good health From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 11:41:24 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:41:09 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speed kills!!! apparently at less than 1/1000ths of 1 percen... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/29/2005 8:17:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorpsychol@XXXXXX writes: > Is my formula wrong? With some clarifying snippage. > speed was a contributing factor in 31% of those crashes. > > (14.66/100,000)*.31= 0.000045446 _Contributing_ is not _cause_ In fact if the cop thinks someone was speeding (with or without real evidence) it is added to the report. Was it a single vehicle accident? Did speed cause the crash or did the person go to sleep at the wheel while speeding? Two vehicle? Where they both speeding? perhaps, perhaps not. Facts are if traffic is going 60 in a 50mph. zone and you are going 50 you are endangering yourself and everyone else on the road. And that goes DOUBLE for anyone on a bike. And yes of course I know that speed limits are set by benevolent bureaucrats who are only interested in safety. That is why the speed limit is 10mph. slower on the much twistier rougher Blue Ridge Parkway then on the flatter, straighter, smother Skyline Drive. Oh! Wait, never mind. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 12:06:37 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:06:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill I'm an idiot.. I have too much free time for examining life? The unexamined life is not worth living! Was socrates a village idiot with too much free time? now now i'm not comparing myself to socrates.. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2003F.pdf table 2, there were 1200+ fatal vehicle crashes going 35 to 55 mph. There were only 4000+ fatal vehicle crashes going 60 mph and up. If speed killed, the numbers would be perportionate as you go faster. Danny Speed doesn't kill, negligent driving does. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 13:02:39 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:01:01 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill At 12:06 PM 9/30/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >there were 1200+ fatal vehicle crashes going 35 to 55 mph. > >There were only 4000+ fatal vehicle crashes going 60 mph and up. > >If speed killed, the numbers would be perportionate as you go faster. "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp posts - for support rather than for illumination." -- Andrew Lang You don't think that the number of vehicles traveling in each speed range matters? Or the miles of roadway with speed limits of 55 vs those with lower or higher speed limits? To properly use statistics to prove anything you need to understand what the data says...and what it does not say. It also needs to apply directly to the question under consideration. Tell you what, you hit a wall head on at 60 mph, and I'll hit the same wall head on at 5 mph and we'll see who gets hurt more, ok? If speed doesn't kill, you'll have nothing to worry about, right? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 13:53:52 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:53:44 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill Cc: DC Cycles See you're just being silly.. hitting a wall kills.. speeding does not. If you're not capable of not hitting a wall, I suggest you not drive at all. That facts prove, that going faster doesn't equate to higher probability of death. The facts prove, more people die doing 55mph alone than all the people going 60 MPH AND OVER. That's the NTHSA's numbers. SO obviously speed doens't kill. NEGLIGENT DRIVING DOES. PAY ATTENTION> DON"T HIT THE WALL!!!! DRIVE FAST as reasonable, SLOW DOWN AS NEEDED. SPEED KILLS IS A LIE!!!! On 9/30/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 12:06 PM 9/30/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > >there were 1200+ fatal vehicle crashes going 35 to 55 mph. > > > >There were only 4000+ fatal vehicle crashes going 60 mph and up. > > > >If speed killed, the numbers would be perportionate as you go faster. > > "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp posts - for support rather > than for illumination." -- Andrew Lang > > You don't think that the number of vehicles traveling in each speed range > matters? Or the miles of roadway with speed limits of 55 vs those with > lower or higher speed limits? > > To properly use statistics to prove anything you need to understand what > the data says...and what it does not say. It also needs to apply directly > to the question under consideration. > > Tell you what, you hit a wall head on at 60 mph, and I'll hit the same wall > head on at 5 mph and we'll see who gets hurt more, ok? If speed doesn't > kill, you'll have nothing to worry about, right? > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 14:54:23 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill To: Danny Motorcycle , "Mike B." Cc: DC Cycles While this on-going debate is mildly frustrating, I must admit it is quite entertaining. I appreciate Danny boiling it down to the fact that speed, in and of itself, does not kill*. I agree with this. I also appreciate Mike pointing out that the speed at which one is traveling given all existing and potential influences will likely play influence to whether or not an incident will occur - and the greater the speed the greater the influence*. I agree with this. * These statements in my own words, of course. Physics vs. Chaos Theory vs. Fact vs. Statistic - all vs. how we interpret metal signs on the side of the road posting random numbers followed by the letters MPH. I'm glad we're not talking about bald tires or helmet laws today...... - Jimmy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 14:57:14 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:56:24 -0400 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill Cc: DC Cycles At 01:53 PM 9/30/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >See you're just being silly.. hitting a wall kills.. speeding does >not. You are the one being silly. If you think hitting a wall at 5 mph will kill me, you and I aren't living in the same universe. Hitting the same wall, in the same way, at 60 mph is very likely to kill though. Only difference is speed (i.e. energy involved). >If you're not capable of not hitting a wall, I suggest you not >drive at all. And if you can predict all future events well enough to always know when you will be hitting walls, could you please teach this wondrous skill to all the poor bastards who are hitting walls every year? They seemed to think their speed was just fine too...until they were proven wrong in a fatal way. Hasn't it occurred to you that *nobody* does things they know will kill them, except suicides? Everyone *thought*, as you do, that they could "handle it", that they knew when it was safe to do whatever it was that killed them, and when it wasn't. In many cases they were doing things that others had already proven to be hazardous...but they knew better. Or so they thought. >That facts prove, that going faster doesn't equate to higher >probability of death. No, they don't. You just *think* they do, probably because you want to think that. >SPEED KILLS IS A LIE!!!! Then go ahead and hit that wall at 60 rather than 5. Since all semblance of motorcycle safety discussion has long since left this thread, I'm following it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 14:58:17 2005 From: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:57:59 -0400 > > From: "James O'Connor" > Date: 2005/09/30 Fri PM 02:54:12 EDT > To: Danny Motorcycle , "Mike B." > CC: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill > > While this on-going debate is mildly frustrating, I must admit it is > quite entertaining. I appreciate Danny boiling it down to the fact > that speed, in and of itself, does not kill*. I agree with this. I > also appreciate Mike pointing out that the speed at which one is > traveling given all existing and potential influences will likely > play influence to whether or not an incident will occur - and the > greater the speed the greater the influence*. I agree with this. > * These statements in my own words, of course. > Physics vs. Chaos Theory vs. Fact vs. Statistic - all vs. how we > interpret metal signs on the side of the road posting random numbers > followed by the letters MPH. > > I'm glad we're not talking about bald tires or helmet laws > today...... > > - Jimmy I just want to know if going fast affects how often I change my synthetic oil. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 15:02:29 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:01:12 -0400 From: skip To: "James O'Connor" CC: Danny Motorcycle , "Mike B." , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill Well, what with onset of cooler temperatures, it's about time to swap out the summer air for the winter air. anyone local got a tire changing setup at home? I need to swap out my front tire. --skip James O'Connor wrote: > > While this on-going debate is mildly frustrating, I must admit it is > quite entertaining. I appreciate Danny boiling it down to the fact > that speed, in and of itself, does not kill*. I agree with this. I > also appreciate Mike pointing out that the speed at which one is > traveling given all existing and potential influences will likely > play influence to whether or not an incident will occur - and the > greater the speed the greater the influence*. I agree with this. > * These statements in my own words, of course. > Physics vs. Chaos Theory vs. Fact vs. Statistic - all vs. how we > interpret metal signs on the side of the road posting random numbers > followed by the letters MPH. > > I'm glad we're not talking about bald tires or helmet laws > today...... > > - Jimmy > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 15:07:51 2005 Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:09:41 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC Cycles" I just want to know if going fast affects how often I change my synthetic oil. 8-P -aki Of course it does, everyone knows that using synthetic oil gives a 10% increase in horsepower! Your gaskets will shred by the time you hit the traps, but you'll have a good ET =:O Cedric P.S. Speed may kill, but look what it did for Sandra Bullock's career.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 16:24:51 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:24:30 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 9/30/2005 2:57:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > You are the one being silly. If you think hitting a wall at 5 mph will > kill me, you and I aren't living in the same universe. Hitting the same > wall, in the same way, at 60 mph is very likely to kill though. Do you normally ride at 5mph? If you hit a wall at the posted "safe" speed of 50mph. you will be dead. If you hit the same wall at 60 will you be any deader? Hitting a wall at anything like normal speeds on any road will kill you and once you have exceeded that "Kill ya" speed it just means bigger mess to clean up. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 16:59:05 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:58:58 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Facts: speed does not kill Cc: DC Cycles On 9/30/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 01:53 PM 9/30/05 -0400, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >See you're just being silly.. hitting a wall kills.. speeding does > >not. > > You are the one being silly. If you think hitting a wall at 5 mph will > kill me, you and I aren't living in the same universe. Hitting the same > wall, in the same way, at 60 mph is very likely to kill though. Only > difference is speed (i.e. energy involved). You could die hitting a wall at 5 mph. You are the same one who said you could die doing nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! However, why are you so focused on hittng walls? Maybe if you focused on riding instead of crashing you could go faster > >If you're not capable of not hitting a wall, I suggest you not > >drive at all. > > And if you can predict all future events well enough to always know when > you will be hitting walls, could you please teach this wondrous skill to > all the poor bastards who are hitting walls every year? They seemed to > think their speed was just fine too...until they were proven wrong in a > fatal way. It's not hard really... if the road ahead is straight you may go fast... if you see the road curving, stopping, blocked, etc etc... slow down. no one said go 170 mph and stay at that speed no matter what. So in a way, yes, you can predict the future, because you can control your future. I can predict I won't be hitting any walls any time soon, if my past years of experience are reliable data. When was the last time you hit a wall? LOL > Hasn't it occurred to you that *nobody* does things they know will kill > them, except suicides? Everyone *thought*, as you do, that they could > "handle it", that they knew when it was safe to do whatever it was that > killed them, and when it wasn't. In many cases they were doing things that > others had already proven to be hazardous...but they knew better. Or so > they thought. MOST people who do that, live. Less than 1/10th of 1 percent (being conservative here) of americans make that mistake.. the rest of us "go fast safely" "speeding".. and slow down when warranted. You see, it's not the choice to speed that kills them, it's the choice not to slow down when it's time. Speed doesn't klll, negligent driving does. I also notice how you didn't answer the question about when the last time you were speeding.. Hmm why is that?? could it be.. that you... no... SPEED????? Maybe you should resign the arguement now. > >That facts prove, that going faster doesn't equate to higher > >probability of death. > > No, they don't. You just *think* they do, probably because you want to > think that. Actually, I made a typo, 12000+ fatal crashes are between 35mph and 55 mph. Only 4,000 crashes are 60 mph AND ABOVE according to NSHTA. > >SPEED KILLS IS A LIE!!!! > > Then go ahead and hit that wall at 60 rather than 5. No. You're hte one obsessed with hittin the wall. I have an opposite operational theory of not hitting anythng, so while I speed safely, you go hit a wall at 5 mph and tell me the results. I'm thinking you might be underestimating the fragileness of the human body. I'd dislike hitting a wall at 5 mph as much as i'd dislike being hit with a hammer... but if you're into that, go for it. > Since all semblance of motorcycle safety discussion has long since left > this thread, I'm following it. Good. You need to, because you're a speeder who says people shouldn't speed. speed kills.. but your'e still alive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 17:24:02 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:23:55 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill correction I said there are 1200+ fatal crashes 35 to 55 mph earlier. I meant to say 12,000+ fatal crashes 35 to 55 mph... (not 1200) in contrast there are only 4,000+ fatal crashes, of vehicles going 60MPH AND OVER. So you see, 1> it's not a perportionate rise 2> it's an in fact, decrease in fatal crashes, of people driving 60mph and over. There's even a signifigant decrease in the fatal crashes from 55 mph and those traveling at 60 mph. So apparently, speed, does not kill. This is according to the 2003 published statics on traffic fatalities by the National Transportation Highway Safety Administration, on their website. Further more, only 14% of "speed" related fatalities are on interstate highways. So it's not the speed that kills, it's the negligent driving that kills. 40% of fatal accidents are alcohol related btw. This suggest to me, cops need to put down the radar guns, and start looking for the drunks. Thanks. It's been fun :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 17:27:39 2005 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:27:32 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speed kills!!! Homework double checked and turned in on time. I've got you covered, Danny! Cc: DCCycles LOL no wonder it's getting chilly, hell must be freezing over LOL On 9/29/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Hmmm.. But if excessive speed was a contributing factor in 31%, can't > we deduce that not speeding was a contributing factor for the other > 69%?? If those poor people had been speeding, they would've passed the > accident scene before the accident happened. I'd have to agree with > Danny for once... Speeding is statisticly safer than not speeding. > Shit, the NHTSA put it on the internet, so it must be true. > > My math is correct (100% - 31% = 69%). I double checked with my abacus > (defined by Dictionary.com as "A manual computing device consisting of > a frame holding parallel rods strung with movable counters.") > > > On 9/29/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > > Is my formula wrong? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Sep 30 20:44:31 2005 From: "Allen Fahey" To: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:44:17 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone need paint?? I'm a bit slow at work and I'm looking for side work. I've been a painter for 14 years so if anyone needs their motorcycle painted let me know. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 00:45:29 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 00:45:17 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. For fuck's sake, Danny. You are only doing half of the math with half of the information. (If you're up on your multiplication, that comes to 1/4 the logic, which seems to be your maximum tolerance.) You're leaving out the number of people who drive at 35-55 versus the number of people who drive "60MPH AND OVER" If you divide 12,000 by the number of people who travel 35-55, and then divide 4,000 by the number of people going over 60mph, you'll likely find that you have a smaller result in the first equation. Thus, you are less likely to die while driving in the 35-55 range than you are at 60+. By your (lack of) logic and reasoning, one could safely say that since the Seven Corners area of Virginia has a high Korean population, the United States is primarily Korean. But someone else could safely argue that since Herndon has a high Hispanic population, the USA is mainly Hispanic. You have to look at all of the numbers.. Not a sermon, just a thought. On 9/30/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I said there are 1200+ fatal crashes 35 to 55 mph earlier. > > I meant to say 12,000+ fatal crashes 35 to 55 mph... (not 1200) > > in contrast there are only 4,000+ fatal crashes, of vehicles going > 60MPH AND OVER. > > > So you see, > > 1> it's not a perportionate rise > 2> it's an in fact, decrease in fatal crashes, of people driving 60mph and over. > > There's even a signifigant decrease in the fatal crashes from 55 mph > and those traveling at 60 mph. So apparently, speed, does not kill. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 07:40:48 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 07:40:36 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Cc: DCCycles Uhm.. something doens't smell right.. Did you not agree with me earlier? Is this a forged email? Was that a forged email? No matter, I'll reply for the sheer joy of it :) No matter if you're forged, or bi polar . On 10/1/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > For fuck's sake, Danny. Well you've just forsaken fuck! That was a nice effort but you are wrong. See below. >You are only doing half of the math with half > of the information. (If you're up on your multiplication, that comes > to 1/4 the logic, which seems to be your maximum tolerance.) Apparently you're not too good with your algebraic multiplication are you. 1/2 math * 1/2 logic does not equal 1/4 logic. Does 1/2 oranges times 1/2 apples = 1/4 oranges? NO. It equals 1/2 (oranges+apples). So your equation is incorrect, and It equals 1/2 math+logic. 1/2 logic * 1/2 logic would equal 1/4 logic. Cripees, maybe I was paying attention in 7th grade, 18 years ago! woohoo! and you're saying i'm not crunching the numbers right? LOL Maybe you need a refresher course on mathmatics and statistics before you call yourself correcting my formulas, and insulting my logic skills. Apparently I'm using them pretty darned good, and my maximum tolerance for error is apparently less than yours. > You're leaving out the number of people who drive at 35-55 versus the > number of people who drive "60MPH AND OVER" reminder: That's because they're not fatalities, which is what we are discussing. When they manage to kill themselves and become a fatality, then we'll factor them into the discussion of speed KILLS, being a lie, comparing FATALITIES. > If you divide 12,000 by the number of people who travel 35-55, and > then divide 4,000 by the number of people going over 60mph, you'll > likely find that you have a smaller result in the first equation. Likely find? On what basis do you draw this conclusion, what study? what numbers? or are you just best guessing it from personal perspective? where do you get the number of people that drive at which speed to use in your formula? Devine revelation? How can you draw conclusions doing math with unobtainable data? what if 100% of the people drive at SPEEDS over 60 mph? then your theory goes out the window! Then you're dividing both numbers by the same number and all the data is the same. I think its' a safe assumption to assume that most drivers, the vast vast majority, do go 60 MPH and over! Granted an exception for old people. Hell even the 16 to 20 year olds, were the highest catagory of people dying relating to speed related deaths.. So at what age are you proposing we stop going 60 MPH? > Thus, you are less likely to die while driving in the 35-55 range than > you are at 60+. And you say i'm doing half the math with half the logic? LOL you're making things up!!! What kind of logic is that?? Another easy explaination is that on highways traffic is all going the same way, and it's often lined with barriers to keep you from hitting immobile objects or oncoming traffic. In 35 to 55 mph roads, you have people, animals, debri's entering the road way, and you are more likely to go off the road and hit and object and die. It seems easily explainable, why you are MORE LIKELY TO DIE GOING SLOWER, than travelling faster. > By your (lack of) logic and reasoning, one could safely say that since > the Seven Corners area of Virginia has a high Korean population, the > United States is primarily Korean. But someone else could safely argue > that since Herndon has a high Hispanic population, the USA is mainly > Hispanic. You have to look at all of the numbers.. I love how people do the straw man, put words in my mouth, an example on my behalf arguements. You may suck at logic, but you're pretty good at making things up :) > Not a sermon, just a thought. Fleeting thought I hope. Ben Franklin said wash your fingers before you point at my spots. Maybe you can figure that one out and try to say i'm bad at math and statistics when in fact i'm correcting your mistakes.. and please, no more "creative" data and conclusions. Thanks :) It's been fun. - Danny SPEED KILLS is a lie > On 9/30/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > I said there are 1200+ fatal crashes 35 to 55 mph earlier. > > > > I meant to say 12,000+ fatal crashes 35 to 55 mph... (not 1200) > > > > in contrast there are only 4,000+ fatal crashes, of vehicles going > > 60MPH AND OVER. > > > > > > So you see, > > > > 1> it's not a perportionate rise > > 2> it's an in fact, decrease in fatal crashes, of people driving 60mph and over. > > > > There's even a signifigant decrease in the fatal crashes from 55 mph > > and those traveling at 60 mph. So apparently, speed, does not kill. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 08:34:59 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 08:34:51 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798ff32e2deee6dbebf824889aa00e9028350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I only have one question about this pathetic wanker waving contest. WWGS (what would Gimer say?) ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Thomas Jordan Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. ... Much snippage From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 08:35:32 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 08:35:25 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Danny, you've got no clue what you're talking about, and you don't do all of the required research to back yourself up before making statements. That's all I was saying. Oh, and "1/2 oranges times 1/2 apples = 1/4 oranges? NO. It equals 1/2 (oranges+apples)" is wrong... You weren't paying enough attention in algebra. You can't multiply apples and oranges. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 10:38:59 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 07:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] the list is dead doctor, the patient is flat-lined... Is there one good reason why we shouldn't just pull the plug? I've been meeting new cyclists at the Pentagon and a lot of them have no clue about local community support be it hangouts, mailing lists or what have you. Every time I want to suggest they check out dc-cycles I have to choke back my words. I remember way back when in a time history forgot, when the banter had some intelligence behind it and could at least be categorized as adding useful knowledge to the pool as opposed to making everyone dumber. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 13:14:14 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:14:03 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Cc: DCCycles LOL I can't multiple apples and oranges? oh contrar mon freir. No you can't divide or muliply logic or math the way you claimed. I, and the rest of the intelligent world, can infact multiply apples and oranges. (I just can't spell and type acurately LOL) It's called algebra. Learn it. Apparently you flunked algebra, skipped that day, didn't pay attention, or were running your mouth, talkng when you should have been listening. (i'm guessing the latter because you don't seem to have shaken the bad habit all these years later LOL). Let me try to put this in terms you can understand. (I guess P.G. county schools weren't that bad, if I as a drop out am teaching you LOL). Say for instance you have a dealership with harleys and sportbikes. H = harleys (or logic or apples) S = sportbikes (or your term of "math" or oranges) SINCE *YOU* wanted to Divide H by S, you said 1/2 H * 1/2 S = 1/4 H You are wrong. I was correct, the answer to your equation of 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S). 1/2 (H+S) denotes the formula so that when you get the values that the "H" and "S" holds, you then can do the math. Testing the formula: We'll say you have 4 harleys since they are overpriced and slow, and 8 sportbikes (since they are cheaper and more efficient) in your dealership. (you can do the math with whatever numbers you want for harleys and sportbikes, the formula is true no matter the amounts, maybe you at least remember that much) Therefor: H = 4 S = 8 Well figuratively You tried to say "hey.. if I divide harleys by sportbikes, you get 1/4 harleys! woohoo!" snidely and innacurately. (or 1/2 math * 1/2 logic specificly as you said) Mathmatically denoted as " 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/4 H" = your claim However I was showing you, algebraicly, (word? lol) that the answer to your formula 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S) = (1/2*4 harleys) * (1/2* 8 sportbikes) = 2 harleys + 4 sportbikes = 1/2 (total harleys + total sportbikes) = 6 = 1/2 of total bikes (h+S) = 1/2(H+S) or specificly 1/2(logic+math) as I stated, and you were wrong. So apparently, I'm using acurate gov't provided numbers.. and my calculations are correct, I'm backing up my claimes with numbers and acurate formulas, where you have "guessed" numbers, erroniously attemped to factor in non fatalities to our discussion of fatalities, and erronously bumbled a calculation you created trying to be clever and insulting, and on top of that, denied a fundamental rule of algebra saying you can't muliply 2 different objects when fundamental algebra says you can. You're welcome for the algebraic primer. You're a good kid, you scrupulize the numbers. That is good! We could not know the truth if every statement were generally accepted as truth, and not scrupulized. You just need to lose the snide remarks when you're wrong tellign someone else they are wrong. It makes you look assinine. Also, if you want us to take your math seriously, stop trying to factor in and make up unobtainable data. "math" "logic" "people driving (sans accidents) at which speeds". I have no clue what I'm talking about.. yet.. what's this? the numbers compute!!! The formulas WORK!! LOL You were wrong. it's okay, you're human and fallible. I am too, that's why i prefaced my speculation with "check my homework, maybe i'm wrong". So why can't you admit you were wrong? Danny Speed kills is a lie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 13:19:10 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:19:03 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Cc: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] WHOOPS I WAS WRONG - Re:speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. WHOOPS I WAS WRONG!!!!! I said "SINCE *YOU* wanted to Divide H by S, you said 1/2 H * 1/2 S = 1/4 H" I was wrong... You didn't want to divide... you wanted to multiply. I should have said "SINCE *YOU* wanted to multiple H by S, you said 1/2 H * 1/2 S = 1/4 H" There. That is corrrect. I was wrong, but now i'm correct....... again. See how easy it is to admit you were wrong? LOL Danny had I known I would be using algebra as such a tool, I probably would have paid even MORE attention LOL On 10/1/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > LOL I can't multiple apples and oranges? oh contrar mon freir. No you > can't divide or muliply logic or math the way you claimed. > I, and the rest of the intelligent world, can infact multiply apples > and oranges. (I just can't spell and type acurately LOL) > > It's called algebra. Learn it. > > Apparently you flunked algebra, skipped that day, didn't pay > attention, or were running your mouth, > talkng when you should have been listening. (i'm guessing the latter > because you don't > seem to have shaken the bad habit all these years later LOL). Let me > try to put this in terms you can understand. > (I guess P.G. county schools weren't that bad, if I as a drop out am > teaching you LOL). > > > Say for instance you have a dealership with harleys and sportbikes. > > H = harleys (or logic or apples) > S = sportbikes (or your term of "math" or oranges) > > > > SINCE *YOU* wanted to Divide H by S, you said 1/2 H * 1/2 S = 1/4 H > > > You are wrong. > > I was correct, the answer to your equation of 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S). > > 1/2 (H+S) denotes the formula so that when you get the values that > the "H" and "S" holds, > you then can do the math. > > Testing the formula: > > We'll say you have 4 harleys since they are overpriced and slow, > and 8 sportbikes (since they are cheaper and more efficient) > > in your dealership. > > (you can do the math with whatever numbers you want for harleys and > sportbikes, the formula is true no matter the amounts, maybe you at > least remember that much) > > Therefor: > H = 4 > S = 8 > > > Well figuratively You tried to say "hey.. if I divide harleys by > sportbikes, you get 1/4 harleys! woohoo!" snidely and innacurately. > (or 1/2 math * 1/2 logic specificly as you said) > > Mathmatically denoted as " 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/4 H" = your claim > > > However I was showing you, algebraicly, (word? lol) > > that the answer to your formula > > 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S) = (1/2*4 harleys) * (1/2* 8 sportbikes) = > 2 harleys + 4 sportbikes = 1/2 (total harleys + total sportbikes) = 6 > = 1/2 of total bikes (h+S) = 1/2(H+S) > > or specificly 1/2(logic+math) as I stated, and you were wrong. > > > > > So apparently, I'm using acurate gov't provided numbers.. and my > calculations are correct, I'm backing up my claimes with numbers and > acurate formulas, > where you have "guessed" numbers, erroniously attemped to factor in > non fatalities to our discussion of fatalities, and erronously bumbled > a calculation > you created trying to be clever and insulting, and on top of that, > denied a fundamental rule of algebra saying you can't muliply 2 > different objects when fundamental algebra says you can. > > You're welcome for the algebraic primer. You're a good kid, you > scrupulize the numbers. That is good! We could not know the truth if > every statement > were generally accepted as truth, and not scrupulized. You just need > to lose the snide remarks when you're wrong tellign someone else they > are wrong. > It makes you look assinine. > > Also, if you want us to take your math seriously, stop trying to > factor in and make up unobtainable data. "math" "logic" > "people driving (sans accidents) at which speeds". > > I have no clue what I'm talking about.. yet.. what's this? the > numbers compute!!! The formulas WORK!! LOL > > You were wrong. it's okay, you're human and fallible. I am too, that's > why i prefaced my speculation with "check my homework, maybe i'm > wrong". > > So why can't you admit you were wrong? > > > > > Danny > Speed kills is a lie > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 13:52:35 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:52:29 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I disagree.. ride routes are routinely posted.. someone will have a mechancal failure and it will be discussed... and I proved speed doesn't kill... I think it's important that we know the truth, and scrutinize the scare data, and the actions of the gov't in relationship to the rule of driving law and enforcement. We should be demanding that speed traps be abandoned. We should realize that speeding doesn't kill and their traps are safety unjustified, means of revenue raising only. So there is a lttle flaming while hone our facts and data as a group. Big deal! It's not that bad is it? I, for some reason, recommend the list to ignorant poeple.. I tell them the good info is here, yet they dont' subscribe. I guess you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, you can lead an idiot to education but you can't make him think. Danny killfile poster boy lol On 10/1/05, matthew patton wrote: > doctor, the patient is flat-lined... Is there one good reason why we > shouldn't just pull the plug? > > I've been meeting new cyclists at the Pentagon and a lot of them have > no clue about local community support be it hangouts, mailing lists or > what have you. Every time I want to suggest they check out dc-cycles I > have to choke back my words. I remember way back when in a time history > forgot, when the banter had some intelligence behind it and could at > least be categorized as adding useful knowledge to the pool as opposed > to making everyone dumber. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 13:56:23 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: SV List Subject: [dc-cycles] 1st gen SV reserve = 1 US Gal In the interests of science I ran my bike till it puffed it's last from fuel starvation. I got 44 miles from the moment the yellow started flashing. The distance was comprised of 35mi of 70mph freeway and the balance in suburban traffic with an annoying number of long traffic lights (Rockville/Gaithersburg MD) with 40mph between lights. Once the engine starts to puff you get about 200-300 yards before it simply can't pull any weight or completely dies. I put 4.196 US gallons in the tank and if I were to hold the bike upright could have gotten another 1/4 cup before the gas cap would displace fluid and overflow. I figure a 40 mile range is as far as one should really push it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 14:36:02 2005 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Danny Motorcycle'" , "'Thomas Jordan'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:36:18 -0400 Danny, Your calculation (that there are more fatal crashes under 60 mph)is meaningless. You need to use a comparative measure like 'per mile' or a percentage of total, not simply total number. Using the data in Table 29 of the study you are referring to: Total number of crashes (excluding "no limit" or "unknown") = 6,267,000 Total number of fatal crashes = 36,747 % crashes resulting in fatality = 0.59% % crashes resulting in fatality (60mph or higher) = 1.29% % crashes resulting in fatality (under 60 mph) = 0.51% % crashes 60 mph or higher = 9.5% (of total crashes) % fatal crashes 60 mph or higher = 20.3% (of all fatal crashes). Fatalities are "over-represented" in crashes 60 mph or greater (approximately twice as high as 'slower' crashes). Whether or not speed was THE factor resulting in death cannot be known based on the data in this study. - Paul -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Thomas Jordan Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. LOL I can't multiple apples and oranges? oh contrar mon freir. No you can't divide or muliply logic or math the way you claimed. I, and the rest of the intelligent world, can infact multiply apples and oranges. (I just can't spell and type acurately LOL) It's called algebra. Learn it. Apparently you flunked algebra, skipped that day, didn't pay attention, or were running your mouth, talkng when you should have been listening. (i'm guessing the latter because you don't seem to have shaken the bad habit all these years later LOL). Let me try to put this in terms you can understand. (I guess P.G. county schools weren't that bad, if I as a drop out am teaching you LOL). Say for instance you have a dealership with harleys and sportbikes. H = harleys (or logic or apples) S = sportbikes (or your term of "math" or oranges) SINCE *YOU* wanted to Divide H by S, you said 1/2 H * 1/2 S = 1/4 H You are wrong. I was correct, the answer to your equation of 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S). 1/2 (H+S) denotes the formula so that when you get the values that the "H" and "S" holds, you then can do the math. Testing the formula: We'll say you have 4 harleys since they are overpriced and slow, and 8 sportbikes (since they are cheaper and more efficient) in your dealership. (you can do the math with whatever numbers you want for harleys and sportbikes, the formula is true no matter the amounts, maybe you at least remember that much) Therefor: H = 4 S = 8 Well figuratively You tried to say "hey.. if I divide harleys by sportbikes, you get 1/4 harleys! woohoo!" snidely and innacurately. (or 1/2 math * 1/2 logic specificly as you said) Mathmatically denoted as " 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/4 H" = your claim However I was showing you, algebraicly, (word? lol) that the answer to your formula 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S) = (1/2*4 harleys) * (1/2* 8 sportbikes) = 2 harleys + 4 sportbikes = 1/2 (total harleys + total sportbikes) = 6 = 1/2 of total bikes (h+S) = 1/2(H+S) or specificly 1/2(logic+math) as I stated, and you were wrong. So apparently, I'm using acurate gov't provided numbers.. and my calculations are correct, I'm backing up my claimes with numbers and acurate formulas, where you have "guessed" numbers, erroniously attemped to factor in non fatalities to our discussion of fatalities, and erronously bumbled a calculation you created trying to be clever and insulting, and on top of that, denied a fundamental rule of algebra saying you can't muliply 2 different objects when fundamental algebra says you can. You're welcome for the algebraic primer. You're a good kid, you scrupulize the numbers. That is good! We could not know the truth if every statement were generally accepted as truth, and not scrupulized. You just need to lose the snide remarks when you're wrong tellign someone else they are wrong. It makes you look assinine. Also, if you want us to take your math seriously, stop trying to factor in and make up unobtainable data. "math" "logic" "people driving (sans accidents) at which speeds". I have no clue what I'm talking about.. yet.. what's this? the numbers compute!!! The formulas WORK!! LOL You were wrong. it's okay, you're human and fallible. I am too, that's why i prefaced my speculation with "check my homework, maybe i'm wrong". So why can't you admit you were wrong? Danny Speed kills is a lie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 16:41:58 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:41:50 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead On 10/1/05, matthew patton wrote: > doctor, the patient is flat-lined... Is there one good reason why we > shouldn't just pull the plug? "Lack of a better option" probably has a lot to do with it. The only other local lists I know of are manned by squids... "How can I hide my tag", "Yes, you can outrun a ranger on Skyline", "Dragging on 395", etc. I used to recommend this list to riders I met. Now it's kind of embarrassing. :S --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 16:46:26 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:46:19 -0400 From: smthng else To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Cc: Thomas Jordan , DCCycles On 10/1/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > oh contrar mon freir. Vous êtes un imbécile, mon jeune ami. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 21:16:28 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:16:18 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: WHOOPS I WAS WRONG - Re:speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. "Cripee". Now I'm a math teacher. And you're not following the conversation. When I was talking about dividing, we were referencing the accident rates. When I was talking about the whole 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4 bullshit, we were talking about you being a fucking moron. Remember the order of operations. Parenthesis, exponents, multiply, divide, add, subtract. So, in your "solution," you have to first take care of the equation in parenthesis. (H+S) The result of that equation would then be multiplied by 1/2. Completely different. Your "1/2 (H+S)" is actually equal to "1/2H + 1/2S" Using numbers, it might look something like this 1/2 (H+S) [your "solution" 1/2 (5+9) [again, but with numbers in place of variables 1/2 (14) [adding the equation in the parenthesis 7 [multiplying .5 by 14 Now, let's check our work another way, to verify my solution of "1/2H + 1/2S" 1/2H+1/2S [variable in place 1/2(5)+1/2(9) [numbers replacing variables 2.5+4.5 [some quick multiplication 7 [ta-da! Anyways, get out your calculator. Multiple 1/2 by 1/2 - You end up with 1/4. Whenever you add positive numbers, you get a larger number. Hence the term "addition." These are facts. I didn't skip algebra, or geometry, or calculus for that matter. I graduated with an advanced diploma and participated in all honors programs from elementary school through high school. On 10/1/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > WHOOPS I WAS WRONG!!!!! > > > I was correct, the answer to your equation of 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S). > > > > 1/2 (H+S) denotes the formula so that when you get the values that > > the "H" and "S" holds, > > you then can do the math. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 1 21:20:12 2005 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:20:03 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Danny aiment sucer sur le pénis et avoir des hommes chiez dans sa bouche. On 10/1/05, smthng else wrote: > On 10/1/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > oh contrar mon freir. > > Vous êtes un imbécile, mon jeune ami. > > --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 08:53:45 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 08:53:37 -0400 What are the other options? www.dcsportbikes.com www.dcsportbikes.net others? >From: smthng else >Reply-To: you@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead >Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:41:50 -0400 > >On 10/1/05, matthew patton wrote: > > doctor, the patient is flat-lined... Is there one good reason why we > > shouldn't just pull the plug? > >"Lack of a better option" probably has a lot to do with it. The only >other local lists I know of are manned by squids... "How can I hide >my tag", "Yes, you can outrun a ranger on Skyline", "Dragging on 395", >etc. > >I used to recommend this list to riders I met. Now it's kind of >embarrassing. :S > >--sÅ­m'thÄ­ng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 09:38:16 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'rich hall'" , Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] the list is dead Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:38:12 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f38259f61e60c9195f1e5d6add04a86d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Rich whimsically asked: What are the other options? www.dcsportbikes.com www.dcsportbikes.net others? [Dave] Killfiles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 10:28:38 2005 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:28:11 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Knocked-Down Yammie Not sure if the owner is on the list, but there's a gray Yamaha XS650 Special (I think), DC tag MT2146, parked in the 1800 block of Calvert Street, that got knocked over sometime last night. I did not put the bike back up because I thought the owner might want to take some photos for insurance purposes first, but if you're reading this and can't get to it quickly and want me to, let me know and I will do it for you. Dave Lowenstein Adams Morgan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 15:45:47 2005 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cycleforums has an active DC Area section. Good, non-squidly folks. If you join, say hi to Todd and Helen for me.... http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=138 --- rich hall wrote: > What are the other options? > www.dcsportbikes.com > www.dcsportbikes.net > others? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 19:27:25 2005 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] the list is dead On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Killfiles. Bingo! BTW, if you think the list is dead and you're embarrassed by what people post, why do you continue to post? Are you going to make a dramatic exit post? :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 19:46:54 2005 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:46:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Blumgart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead The only way the list will improve is to add members. At 04:41 PM 10/1/2005 -0400, smthng else wrote: >On 10/1/05, matthew patton wrote: > > doctor, the patient is flat-lined... Is there one good reason why we > > shouldn't just pull the plug? > >"Lack of a better option" probably has a lot to do with it. The only >other local lists I know of are manned by squids... "How can I hide >my tag", "Yes, you can outrun a ranger on Skyline", "Dragging on 395", >etc. > >I used to recommend this list to riders I met. Now it's kind of >embarrassing. :S > >--sÅ­m'thÄ­ng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 19:49:16 2005 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:46:13 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.3.2 (20050629) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] I'm outa here This list and most of those who now contribute has become a joke. I'll bet that if the owner compares the number of posters in the last year vs the number, say three years ago, he would find that the number of different posters has fallen dramatically. Too bad-used to be a interesting few minuets each evening. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 20:49:40 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] the list is dead Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:49:40 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79858876af11258fc7e04c315c18c99a5c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c DB says: The only way the list will improve is to add members. DY protests: Actually, I think if some posters departed the list would grow exponentially once word got out ;-) My few pieces of eight Dave At 04:41 PM 10/1/2005 -0400, smthng else wrote: >On 10/1/05, matthew patton wrote: > > doctor, the patient is flat-lined... Is there one good reason why we > > shouldn't just pull the plug? > >"Lack of a better option" probably has a lot to do with it. The only >other local lists I know of are manned by squids... "How can I hide >my tag", "Yes, you can outrun a ranger on Skyline", "Dragging on 395", >etc. > >I used to recommend this list to riders I met. Now it's kind of >embarrassing. :S > >--sÅ­m'thÄ­ng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 21:14:33 2005 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:14:45 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I'm outa here Every other year someone says the list is dead, and yet it goes on. It isn't a joke, it is still a highly useful forum; with occasional entertaining threads and frequently annoying members. Just like life. I wouldn't switch to any other local biker boards. Most people here are very similar to me in wit and riding. The list is what you make of it, or don't make of it by leaving. Bob McKeithen wrote: > This list and most of those who now contribute has become a joke. I'll > bet that if the owner compares the number of posters in the last year > vs the number, say three years ago, he would find that the number of > different posters has fallen dramatically. > > Too bad-used to be a interesting few minuets each evening. > > Bob > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 21:46:41 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:46:27 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Scratching and sneezing next? -- new Conn. Distracted Driving law Now in effect in Connecticut, a super-tough distracted driving law. "The new law, one of the toughest in the nation, goes beyond just prohibiting drivers from using hand-held cellphones while behind the wheel. Those pulled over for speeding or other moving violations can be fined $100 for any behavior that distracts them from driving - glancing at a newspaper, typing on a BlackBerry, applying lipstick while looking in the rearview mirror or turning to yell at the kids in the back seat." And additionally, of jocular note: "Tennessee and Virginia, going further than most, have passed laws prohibiting the display of pornographic videos in vehicles." [Hmmm. Any motorcycle exception?] Note to Drivers: Lose the Phone (and Lipstick) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/01/nyregion/01cell.html Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > I'm for subtraction of distraction too. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 2 22:06:01 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:05:50 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Who needs MC shows? On New York Ave., about 5p today as I was returning to town - Two - count 'em two - bikes doing wheelies out of the Penn St. light eastbound (the first one after the railroad overpass past Florida Ave.). They were still at full scream under the next overpass and will have to admit they looked mighty impressive - obviously had substantial prior practice. (I didn't wave, nor did they!) Other minor notes about the Rehoboth trip: I'd like to hear the story behind the bumpy paving on the first 5 mi. or so of Rte. 404 east of 50. It's been a few years since I've made that trip and don't remember such a jouncing. And great to see the self-wash place remains on Rte. 9 in R. for cleansing beach crud (I have my cherished personal list of such area facilities). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Shiny wheels to start the winter Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 00:10:27 2005 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I'm outa here To: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bob McKeithen wrote: > Too bad-used to be a interesting few minuets each evening. Now that I'd pay to see -- even in full leathers... -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 06:18:09 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:18:01 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-CYCLES Subject: [dc-cycles] 211 yesterday Ambulances and LEOs spotted heading for the hills from Sperryville direction yesterday - anyone here know what (if anything) happened? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 10:29:36 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:29:20 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead On 10/2/05, Wayne Edelen wrote: > BTW, if you think the list is dead and you're embarrassed by what people > post, why do you continue to post? Are you going to make a dramatic exit > post? :-) Nah, there's still a couple of decent folk here. Besides, any kind of dramatic exit post will simply give the troglodites a new argument topic that should be good for at least a couple of days. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 10:36:38 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:36:31 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] My God ....it's Alive Ach... A good friend pointed me this way and I have learned some and made a few new friends out of the thing so it works for me. As Winter nears, I was actually contemplating sponsoring a DC Cycles Bike Night at Asylum Wednesday evening of next week. I think it would be great to get people out and chit chatting. On another note does anyone know a motorcyclist with the license plate Aloha..?? What do you all think about a Bike Night!!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 10:49:49 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights I know there have been posts regarding this in the past, but I'd like to bring it up again.... Who filters to the front of traffic at stop lights in the District? I will generally do this, but I fear filtering past a LEO also waiting at the light. Anyone have any insight on how this is looked upon in the District? Several times, I've tucked back in/beside the line of traffic when I've noticed a LEO that I'm about to pass.....done the same when lane splitting stand stills on 66. I'm afraid if I pass them, they'll grab my plate # and I'll get a nice letter in the mail or worse. Generally, other motorists seem willing to allow me to filter. Though, it isn't uncommon to find the head cage(s) wanting to "race" off the line and get really close to my side while doing so. So.....I am usually out of the gate before they have the chance. Not an invitation to discuss the merits of whether good or bad to filter. Simply a request for those experienced in the matter and/or those that know LEOs. - Jimmy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 10:57:48 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:57:37 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My God ....it's Alive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Haven't been there yet but on tuesday nights there's a place really close to Landmark Mall that has 25c wings. and they're jumbo wings. It's just west of the Honda (car) dealership on Little River TNPK. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:03:13 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:02:53 -0400 From: "Ambrosio, Dominic" To: Along the same lines... does anyone know the official law (MD/DC/VA) on lane splitting? Is it ever legal? -Dominic -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights I know there have been posts regarding this in the past, but I'd like to bring it up again.... Who filters to the front of traffic at stop lights in the District? I will generally do this, but I fear filtering past a LEO also waiting at the light. Anyone have any insight on how this is looked upon in the District? Several times, I've tucked back in/beside the line of traffic when I've noticed a LEO that I'm about to pass.....done the same when lane splitting stand stills on 66. I'm afraid if I pass them, they'll grab my plate # and I'll get a nice letter in the mail or worse. Generally, other motorists seem willing to allow me to filter. Though, it isn't uncommon to find the head cage(s) wanting to "race" off the line and get really close to my side while doing so. So.....I am usually out of the gate before they have the chance. Not an invitation to discuss the merits of whether good or bad to filter. Simply a request for those experienced in the matter and/or those that know LEOs. - Jimmy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:03:17 2005 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:01:23 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights DC, MD and VA are all different animals. I filter in DC when there are backups, but not as a course of habit. I do it beside cops, messengers, scooters and pedestrians, never a ticket. But that won't fly across the river in VA. You will get ticketed for reckless (so I have heard) and generally the people in NoVA are very uptight about lines. I've only filtered here in Fairfax a few times - both with hail emmenant - and heard cursing a horns behind me both times. Can't speak to MD. I am of the opinion that when you need to turn right at a red light and the guy in front is going straight, you can move up 3-4 car lengths without an issue just about anywhere including NoVA. Go more than that, and you might be asking for it in their minds. POSTING TO THE LIST I was asked yesterday how to post to this list, as there are no clear instructions. Just in case there are any other lurkers out there, either REPLY-ALL to a message (simplest) or send your message to dc-cycles@XXXXXX. I'll add that to dccycles.com if Harry can add it to dc-cycles.org. James O'Connor wrote: >I know there have been posts regarding this in the past, but I'd like >to bring it up again.... > >Who filters to the front of traffic at stop lights in the District? > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:08:17 2005 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:06:24 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Nope. Sharing lanes is always illegal unless you are an emergency vehicle. Ambrosio, Dominic wrote: >Along the same lines... does anyone know the official law (MD/DC/VA) on >lane splitting? Is it ever legal? > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:14:11 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:14:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles VERY different indeed. I feel much more at home riding in DC, though I live in Fairfax. Maybe something to do with "city" drivers being more familiar with messengers on scooter/bicycle zipping around? I filtered once in VA and it felt uncomfortable. I can't imagine how the suburbanite cagers at the light felt when I did that....they probably gasped into their cell phones and dropped their newspapers. I'm such a hooligan ;) Good read regarding your experience in DC.....thanks. - Jimmy --- Mike Troutman wrote: > DC, MD and VA are all different animals. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:14:59 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:14:51 -0400 I can concur with the DC comments, and I have also heard about people getting popped with reckless in VA. In MD, I have seen it done, but I have been stopped for it. I went onto the paved shoulder about 100 yards before the white line curved over to make it into a right turn lane. I pulled up to the light, stopped, and rolled on the right turn on red. The next thing I knew, I had a Montgomery County Sheriff pulling me over. He had been sitting in the lane waiting to either go straight, or turn left. I went by him and he moved over and came after me. He did the paperwork check and busted my chops, but let me go without a ticket. Perry >From: Mike Troutman >Reply-To: mike@XXXXXX >To: DCCycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights >Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:01:23 -0400 > >DC, MD and VA are all different animals. I filter in DC when there are >backups, but not as a course of habit. I do it beside cops, messengers, >scooters and pedestrians, never a ticket. But that won't fly across the >river in VA. You will get ticketed for reckless (so I have heard) and >generally the people in NoVA are very uptight about lines. I've only >filtered here in Fairfax a few times - both with hail emmenant - and heard >cursing a horns behind me both times. Can't speak to MD. > >I am of the opinion that when you need to turn right at a red light and the >guy in front is going straight, you can move up 3-4 car lengths without an >issue just about anywhere including NoVA. Go more than that, and you might >be asking for it in their minds. > >POSTING TO THE LIST > >I was asked yesterday how to post to this list, as there are no clear >instructions. Just in case there are any other lurkers out there, either >REPLY-ALL to a message (simplest) or send your message to >dc-cycles@XXXXXX. I'll add that to dccycles.com if Harry can add it >to dc-cycles.org. > >James O'Connor wrote: > >>I know there have been posts regarding this in the past, but I'd like >>to bring it up again.... >> >>Who filters to the front of traffic at stop lights in the District? >> > >-- >___________________________________ >Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:17:44 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights To: "Ambrosio, Dominic" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not in VA, MD, or DC is it legal, ever. MA recently passed something to the effect of, if traffic is traveling at less than 10mph - motorcyclists may ride on the shoulder. I'm not sure if they suggest lane splitting at all, but I seem to recall the shoulder of the road being mentioned. I'd love to see that happen in our region as well. I think it is the most we could ever reasonably hope for here. But, I'd take it. - Jimmy --- "Ambrosio, Dominic" wrote: > Along the same lines... does anyone know the official law > (MD/DC/VA) on > lane splitting? Is it ever legal? > > -Dominic __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:22:30 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:22:22 -0400 From: Leonard Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights > Who filters to the front of traffic at stop lights in the District? > > I will generally do this, but I fear filtering past a LEO also > waiting at the light. Anyone have any insight on how this is looked > upon in the District? Several times, I've tucked back in/beside the > line of traffic when I've noticed a LEO that I'm about to > pass.....done the same when lane splitting stand stills on 66. I'm > afraid if I pass them, they'll grab my plate # and I'll get a nice > letter in the mail or worse. It seems to be well tolerated in downtown DC - but like you I will usually merge back into line rather then pass a real cop(1) if I am truely splitting between two active lanes. If I'm riding in what is "sort of a right lane but also a parking zone" I just keep going. Exception - if I'm following a motor officer who is splitting (w/o lights + sirens obviously) - then I'll use that as a de facto permission slip and will leach off their lead for as long as I can. (1) - "real cop" here means uniformed MPD or Park Police. I doubt some suit-and-tie DHS desk jockey is going to care about doing a traffic stop on joe bike commuter. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:42:06 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:41:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights To: Leonard Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX You bring up an interesting point. Some of my lane splitting (not filtering) has been curtailed by me approaching a LEO, but it hasn't been a marked car. They're often crown vics in suitable undercover color WITH low profile red & blue lights inside the cab front and rear. Only thing is....the driver is in a suit. Otherwise, I'd say it was state police. Maybe it is state police? Maybe the WAR ON TERROR requires all registered LEO vehicles have lights? Regardless, does anyone know if a suit in an unmarked but obviously official vehicle would likely stop or record the tag of a bike that is slowly lane splitting or filtering? - Jimmy --- Leonard Roy wrote: > (1) - "real cop" here means uniformed MPD or Park Police. I doubt > some suit-and-tie DHS desk jockey is going to care about doing a > traffic stop on joe bike commuter. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 11:56:44 2005 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:54:47 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights James O'Connor wrote: >They're often crown vics in suitable undercover >color WITH low profile red & blue lights inside the cab front and >rear. Only thing is....the driver is in a suit. Otherwise, I'd say >it was state police. Maybe it is state police? Maybe the WAR ON >TERROR requires all registered LEO vehicles have lights? > Most of the agencies have cars with lights, including FBI, Cap Hill, Secret Service, Etc. None of them can write you a traffic ticket except the local or depending on location, the state police. They could detain you and call an officer, but they wouldn't. Likely only for a felony. But keep in mind that local and state unmarked cars with drivers in suits could just be the officer heading to court, or an investigator who doesn't wear a uniform. They can still ticket you, including off duty - since they are never technically off duty. I am going for a lunch ride. I plan on splitting something. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 12:01:50 2005 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:01:38 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Not really moto related. Just a question since this "list is dead" :-) Anyone have a Linksys router/wireless router at home? I wanted to buy a wall mount bracket to get mine off the top of my desk's hutch and mount it behind the desk but, they only sell them in 10 packs for $16 plus s&h. Anyone want one? If I get enough people willing to chip in $2 apiece, I'll just go ahead and order the 10 pack. If not, I'm not wasting my money. And just to throw a little bit of bike related content in, as the weather is starting to get chillier the cagers brains are seeming to freeze over more so, be careful out there. And, don't forget to change the summer air in your tires to winter air. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 12:08:23 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- James O'Connor wrote: > Who filters to the front of traffic at stop lights > in the District? > In the district? Yes. I've done it past Metropolitan Police officers, but not very often. I've had other cops (secret service, park police, etc) remind me that it was illegal to do that, so I thank them for that information and don't do it anymore while they're watching. Once in a while, they'll do a short 'whoop' on the siren from a lane or two over as I go by. I had one of the cops standing in the intersection wave me forward to the front once, so when I see a controlled intersection, I usually make it a point to filter to the front avoiding the dotted line where the officer is standing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 12:41:43 2005 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:41:37 -0400 I got a reckless driving ticket in NoVA for lane splitting. Hired an attorney and got off easy but it was a waste of money & time. Don't do it in VA! --------------------- Shigeru Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ambrosio, Dominic" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights > Along the same lines... does anyone know the official law (MD/DC/VA) on > lane splitting? Is it ever legal? > > -Dominic > > -----Original Message----- > From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:50 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights > > I know there have been posts regarding this in the past, but I'd like > to bring it up again.... > > Who filters to the front of traffic at stop lights in the District? > > I will generally do this, but I fear filtering past a LEO also > waiting at the light. Anyone have any insight on how this is looked > upon in the District? Several times, I've tucked back in/beside the > line of traffic when I've noticed a LEO that I'm about to > pass.....done the same when lane splitting stand stills on 66. I'm > afraid if I pass them, they'll grab my plate # and I'll get a nice > letter in the mail or worse. > > Generally, other motorists seem willing to allow me to filter. > Though, it isn't uncommon to find the head cage(s) wanting to "race" > off the line and get really close to my side while doing so. > So.....I am usually out of the gate before they have the chance. > > Not an invitation to discuss the merits of whether good or bad to > filter. Simply a request for those experienced in the matter and/or > those that know LEOs. > > - Jimmy > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 12:43:55 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:43:48 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: WHOOPS I WAS WRONG - Re:speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Cc: DCCycles On 10/1/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > "Cripee". Now I'm a math teacher. And you're not following the > conversation. When I was talking about dividing, we were referencing > the accident rates. When I was talking about the whole 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4 > bullshit, we were talking about you being a fucking moron. a fucking moron.. lol If i'm a fucking moron, and I know you can't multiple/divide math or logic, and I know you can use algebra to mulply apples and oranges, which you wrongly said can't be done, and I know .5x*.5Y != .25x, as you stated, I'm a fucking moron, wtf does that make you? Super F. Moron? LOL > Remember the order of operations. Parenthesis, exponents, multiply, > divide, add, subtract. Wow... a complete primer on telling someone how to do something that was already correctly demonstrated! > So, in your "solution," you have to first take care of the equation in > parenthesis. (H+S) Okay we are working with "my solution" Good. > The result of that equation would then be multiplied by 1/2. > Completely different. Different?.. Nice try.. let me know when my work is actually WRONG and quote it. You know..like the way I quote where YOU ARE WRONG.. often enough. > Your "1/2 (H+S)" is actually equal to "1/2H + 1/2S" Wow.. I thought that was pretty apparent when I wrote: > 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S) = (1/2*4 harleys) * (1/2* 8 sportbikes) = > 2 harleys + 4 sportbikes = 1/2 (total harleys + total sportbikes) = 6 > = 1/2 of total bikes (h+S) = 1/2(H+S) See the 1/2(H+S) to the right of the second equal sign? See the 2 harleys+ 4 sportbikes to the right of the third equal sign? Do you understand I broke it down for you? Do you comprehend that? so why are you acting like that wasn't stated? So what you are in fact doiing, is agreeing with me, and proving that I was right. THANK YOU!!! > Using numbers, it might look something like this "using numbers" .. like "switching numbers without switching the scenario" or "making up new numbers" which you seem to be very good at btw!!! good job! but wait, I thought we were using "MY Scenario"??? > 1/2 (H+S) [your "solution" > 1/2 (5+9) [again, but with numbers in place of variables > 1/2 (14) [adding the equation in the parenthesis > 7 [multiplying .5 by 14 > > Now, let's check our work another way, to verify my solution of "1/2H + 1/2S" > > 1/2H+1/2S [variable in place > 1/2(5)+1/2(9) [numbers replacing variables > 2.5+4.5 [some quick multiplication > 7 [ta-da! Wonderful!! you've plugged in your own numbers, and realize my work is correct. You've verified my work. GOOD JOB. I see you are understanding now!!!! I'm glad you follow.. I mean come on.. I know.. you knew... what I was saying.. I know you knew that I caught you when you messed up.. if you want to rehash my work and claim being right.. I understand your obtuse non verbal concession. > Anyways, get out your calculator. Multiple 1/2 by 1/2 - You end up with 1/4. Maybe it's time for you to start using a scientific calculator. > Whenever you add positive numbers, you get a larger number. Hence the > term "addition." Where did I add positive numbers and get a smaller number? Cripees, if I can astonish you by proving I can multiply apples and oranges... and even your intangible ideas conceptually, well fugg.. how and were did I have the great additional failure you speak of. I'm so embarassed and ashamed.. if only you could have quoted where I made a mistake in doing addition.. woe is me! > These are facts. LOL what wonderful facts they are. I like how you've taken it back a notch, and gone to more simpler facts that you *can* get right. GOOD. It's not bad that you backed up off of the parts you were wrong, and started over at the point where you know you're correct at. I can appreciate you at least trying, and not just sticking to your guns at being wrong with the higher concept math. > I didn't skip algebra, or geometry, or calculus for that matter. I > graduated with an advanced diploma and participated in all honors > programs from elementary school through high school. Well congratulations.. who was your algebra teacher? I'd like to have a word with him or her LOL I see you still can't admit you were wrong. We all agree, 1/2 * 1/2 in pure numbers = 1/4 . I stated that. I know you know that much. You don't need to repeat it in a manner as if I didn't state that or you ddn't state that already. being repetative without the part you messed up on, does nto make you right. You tried to multply 2 different intangibles (which was stupid in and of itself), and you, I, and the entire list knows you were wrong, and that the correct answer is 1/2(H+S). not "1/4". GIVE IT UP. YOU WERE WRONG. Wha'ts your next answer going to be, 42? We all know the order of operation,. we all know the math. You breaking down, (again, leaving out important data) of what was already explained is just assinine. just admit you messed up. You were wrong It's obvious to us all. You only look worse not admitting your mistake. Everyone makes mistakes, that's only "overly" embarassing if you have some type of ego problem.. everyone can look like somewhat of a jackass being wrong trying to correct someoene else (with snideness).. but to do all that, and then on top not even attempt to admit you were wrong, well that takes the cake. It makes one look like a complete idiot. Save some face.. admit you were wrong. does 1/2 logic * 1/2 math (still) = 1/4 logic? or does it equal 1/2(math+logic)? Apparently i'm using math+logic=correct answer.. where you are using 1/2 math + 1/2 logic.. (which by you means 1/4 logic lol) but to me, it's still 1/2(math+logic). I know you know this.. just admit you were wrong. I mean, I know I learned this stuff in 7th grade.. I know you learned it in school too. Admit... you...were...wrong... Is that so unbearable to do? you could at least say something like "ok even a broken clock is right twice a day you're right" or "hell even the sun shines on a dog's ass once in a while, you're right".. or "i was sleepy and not thinking" or some such. I mean crap.. do I have to do all the thinking for you? can't you just make up any excuse and say you were wrong? dang! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 13:07:06 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: WHOOPS I WAS WRONG - Re:speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. To: Danny Motorcycle , Thomas Jordan Cc: DCCycles I, by no means, have much history with DC-Cycles being that I've only been subscribed to the list for about two years. But, this discussion...if you want to give it that...is ridiculous. Danny, I'm sorry, at the beginning of this thread, I enjoyed your perspective on "speed doesn't kill". I even came close to sending you a personal email to joke about how easy the concept is to grasp and that I'm with ya on this one. BUT, I'm glad I didn't. Why do you keep this going? I don't believe it is because other listers are "keeping it going". I can only speak for myself, but I can imagine that everyone is ready to move on from this debacle of an intelligent thread. I'm smart enough to realize you're playing along to push buttons. I sure hope that is the reason, because I can't imagine you're serious. I have no interest in posting something as petty as what I'm doing now, but for the sake of the list....and my interest in it, I think it would be absolutely wonderful if you'd take your rambling debate off the list. The topic of speed killing is long dead and now you're just looking for attention, at the expense of all of us. - Jimmy --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > On 10/1/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > > "Cripee". Now I'm a math teacher. And you're not following the > > conversation. When I was talking about dividing, we were > referencing > > the accident rates. When I was talking about the whole 1/2 * 1/2 > = 1/4 > > bullshit, we were talking about you being a fucking moron. > > a fucking moron.. lol If i'm a fucking moron, and I know you > can't multiple/divide math or logic, and I know you can use > algebra > to mulply apples and oranges, which you wrongly said can't be done, > > and I know .5x*.5Y != .25x, as you stated, I'm a fucking moron, > wtf > does that make you? Super F. Moron? LOL > > > Remember the order of operations. Parenthesis, exponents, > multiply, > > divide, add, subtract. > > Wow... a complete primer on telling someone how to do something > that > was already correctly demonstrated! > > > So, in your "solution," you have to first take care of the > equation in > > parenthesis. (H+S) > > Okay we are working with "my solution" Good. > > > The result of that equation would then be multiplied by 1/2. > > Completely different. > > Different?.. Nice try.. let me know when my work is actually > WRONG > and quote it. You know..like the way I quote where YOU ARE WRONG.. > often enough. > > > Your "1/2 (H+S)" is actually equal to "1/2H + 1/2S" > > Wow.. I thought that was pretty apparent when I wrote: > > 1/2H * 1/2S = 1/2 (H+S) = (1/2*4 harleys) * (1/2* 8 > sportbikes) = > > 2 harleys + 4 sportbikes = 1/2 (total harleys + total sportbikes) > = 6 > > = 1/2 of total bikes (h+S) = 1/2(H+S) > > See the 1/2(H+S) to the right of the second equal sign? > See the 2 harleys+ 4 sportbikes to the right of the third equal > sign? > Do you understand I broke it down for you? Do you comprehend that? > so why are you acting like that wasn't stated? So what you are in > fact doiing, > is agreeing with me, and proving that I was right. THANK YOU!!! > > > > > Using numbers, it might look something like this > > "using numbers" .. like "switching numbers without switching the > scenario" or > "making up new numbers" which you seem to be very good at btw!!! > good job! > but wait, I thought we were using "MY Scenario"??? > > > 1/2 (H+S) [your "solution" > > 1/2 (5+9) [again, but with numbers in place of variables > > 1/2 (14) [adding the equation in the parenthesis > > 7 [multiplying .5 by 14 > > > > Now, let's check our work another way, to verify my solution of > "1/2H + 1/2S" > > > > 1/2H+1/2S [variable in place > > 1/2(5)+1/2(9) [numbers replacing variables > > 2.5+4.5 [some quick multiplication > > 7 [ta-da! > > Wonderful!! you've plugged in your own numbers, and realize my > work is correct. > You've verified my work. GOOD JOB. I see you are understanding > now!!!! I'm glad you follow.. I mean come on.. I know.. you > knew... > what I was saying.. I know you knew that I caught you when you > messed > up.. if you want to rehash my work and claim being right.. I > understand your obtuse non verbal concession. > > > Anyways, get out your calculator. Multiple 1/2 by 1/2 - You end > up with 1/4. > > Maybe it's time for you to start using a scientific calculator. > > > Whenever you add positive numbers, you get a larger number. Hence > the > > term "addition." > > Where did I add positive numbers and get a smaller number? > Cripees, > if I can astonish you by proving I can multiply apples and > oranges... > and even your intangible ideas conceptually, well fugg.. how and > were > did I have the great additional failure you speak of. I'm so > embarassed and ashamed.. if only you could have quoted where I > made a > mistake in doing addition.. woe is me! > > > > These are facts. > > LOL what wonderful facts they are. I like how you've taken it back > a notch, and > gone to more simpler facts that you *can* get right. GOOD. It's > not > bad that you > backed up off of the parts you were wrong, and started over at the > point where you know you're correct at. I can appreciate you at > least > trying, and not just sticking to your guns at being wrong with the > higher concept math. > > > > I didn't skip algebra, or geometry, or calculus for that matter. > I > > graduated with an advanced diploma and participated in all honors > > programs from elementary school through high school. > > Well congratulations.. who was your algebra teacher? I'd like to > have > a word with him or her LOL > > > I see you still can't admit you were wrong. We all agree, 1/2 * > 1/2 > in pure numbers = 1/4 . I stated that. I know you know that much. > You don't need to repeat it in a manner as if I didn't state that > or > you ddn't state that already. being repetative without the part you > messed up on, does nto make you right. > > You tried to multply 2 different intangibles (which was stupid in > and > of itself), and you, I, and the entire list knows you were wrong, > and > that the correct answer is 1/2(H+S). not "1/4". GIVE IT UP. YOU > WERE > WRONG. Wha'ts your next answer going to be, 42? > > We all know the order of operation,. we all know the math. You > breaking down, (again, leaving out important data) of what was > already explained is just assinine. > > just admit you messed up. You were wrong It's obvious to us all. > You only look worse not admitting your mistake. Everyone makes > mistakes, that's only "overly" embarassing if you have some type of > ego problem.. everyone can look like somewhat of a jackass being > wrong trying to correct someoene else (with snideness).. but to do > all > that, and then on top not even attempt to admit you were wrong, > well > that takes the cake. It makes one look like a complete idiot. Save > some face.. admit you were wrong. > > does 1/2 logic * 1/2 math (still) = 1/4 logic? > > or does it equal 1/2(math+logic)? > > Apparently i'm using math+logic=correct answer.. > where you are using 1/2 math + 1/2 logic.. > (which by you means 1/4 logic lol) > but to me, it's still 1/2(math+logic). > > I know you know this.. just admit you were wrong. I mean, I know > I > learned this stuff in 7th grade.. I know you learned it in school > too. > > Admit... you...were...wrong... Is that so unbearable to do? you > could at least say something like "ok even a broken clock is right > twice a day you're right" or "hell even the sun shines on a dog's > ass > once in a while, you're right".. or "i was sleepy and not thinking" > > or some such. I mean crap.. do I have to do all the thinking for > you? > can't you just make up any excuse and say you were wrong? dang! > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 13:24:50 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:24:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: WHOOPS I WAS WRONG - Re:speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. James contributed: I, by no means, have much history with DC-Cycles being that I've only been subscribed to the list for about two years. But, this discussion...if you want to give it that...is ridiculous. ... [Dave] +1 to what James said. STFU, take if off list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 14:34:51 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, smthng else wrote: > On 10/2/05, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > BTW, if you think the list is dead and you're embarrassed by what people > > post, why do you continue to post? Are you going to make a dramatic exit > > post? :-) > > Nah, there's still a couple of decent folk here. Besides, any kind of > dramatic exit post will simply give the troglodites a new argument > topic that should be good for at least a couple of days. Oh, I agree. I just love the attention whores who post, "this place sucks, I'm leaving!!!" Bob :-) If you hate the place, just go. No need to make a post about it. I think Matt is one of the good ones on the list and hope that he continues to post and participate. There are plenty of good people on the list that aren't just here to argue. But if the patient is to survive, you have to ignore the idiots (you know attention just feeds them) and post relevant MC-related topics. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 15:52:25 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:52:13 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Perry Coleman" , I know someone that will filter occasionally if traffic is at a standstill, say riding the shoulder on the 395 North across the bridge. He has never been stopped on the occasions he has done this with the engine fan providing background music. The downside is this usually encourages an enterprising cager to follow the lead. Lane splitting is another matter entirely. As a rule, I won't chance it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 15:58:48 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] the list is dead Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:58:32 -0400 I agree totally Wayne! You beat me to it I was just about to post almost the same thing. I was going to say... If you don't like the list no need to get your panties in a bunch just MOVE ON! Just my .02 ART Oh, I agree. I just love the attention whores who post, "this place sucks, I'm leaving!!!" Bob :-) If you hate the place, just go. No need to make a post about it. I think Matt is one of the good ones on the list and hope that he continues to post and participate. There are plenty of good people on the list that aren't just here to argue. But if the patient is to survive, you have to ignore the idiots (you know attention just feeds them) and post relevant MC-related topics. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 16:37:17 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:37:08 -0400 From: Radio Waves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead > But if the patient is to survive, > you have to ignore the idiots (you know attention just feeds them) and > post relevant MC-related topics. > > -- Wayne And on that note, some moto content for all! http://socialitelife.com/mt/archives/brad_pitt_angelina_jolie_on_motorcycles.php Life: It's just not fair. Oh well. At least she's certifiably insane. That helps soften the blow a bit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 17:01:13 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] the list is dead Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:03:04 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: I'm embarrassed to admit that I heard she bought him an MV Augusta as a present. Slow check out lane, what can I say? Cedric Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs > you have to ignore the idiots (you know attention just feeds them) and > post relevant MC-related topics. > > -- Wayne And on that note, some moto content for all! http://socialitelife.com/mt/archives/brad_pitt_angelina_jolie_on_motorcy cles.php Life: It's just not fair. Oh well. At least she's certifiably insane. That helps soften the blow a bit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 18:17:09 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] the list is dead To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was in the car headed north on 95 when I saw a bike blaze by me in the far left lane. I knew right away that it was an exotic bike, but I couldn't place it, as all I really could see were the swing arm and rear lights. Luckily for me traffic thickened ahead and, having chosen a slightly faster moving lane than the rider, I was able to hone in and confirm the bike as an MV August 1000. Pretty cool, my first sighting of one out on the road. As for the list, I have been an off/on suscriber (mostly lurker) since 2000. Sometimes the traffic was too much, more than 100 messages a day that I'd delete without reading. But there were also a lot of knowledgable people on the list. Clearly traffic is down, and some of my favorite posters no longer appear to be on the list. But I hope it's true what other have said, that these lists are cylical and at best, traffic will pick up again. Adam '93 Honda NSR '94 Suzuki RGV --- Radio Waves wrote: > > But if the patient is to survive, > > you have to ignore the idiots (you know attention > just feeds them) and > > post relevant MC-related topics. > > > > -- Wayne > > And on that note, some moto content for all! > > http://socialitelife.com/mt/archives/brad_pitt_angelina_jolie_on_motorcycles.php > > Life: It's just not fair. Oh well. At least she's > certifiably > insane. That helps soften the blow a bit. > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 18:46:42 2005 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:46:30 -0400 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Gold Wing Air Bag Video Honda video of airbag test. http://www.ilchapterh.com/movies/goldwing%20bag1.mpg __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 19:13:37 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Troutman wrote: > Most of the agencies have cars with lights, including FBI, Cap Hill, > Secret Service, Etc. None of them can write you a traffic ticket except > the local or depending on location, the state police. And the Park Police. -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 19:17:38 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles --- Mike Troutman wrote: > POSTING TO THE LIST > > I was asked yesterday how to post to this list, as there are no clear > instructions. Just in case there are any other lurkers out there, > either REPLY-ALL to a message (simplest) or send your message to > dc-cycles@XXXXXX. I'll add that to dccycles.com if Harry can add > it to dc-cycles.org. That's fine for those who receive individual postings, but it's not adequate for those receiving daily digests. Digest recipients need to know how to extract the subject and trim, etc. -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 19:31:04 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:30:55 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: speed doesn't kill, Dave Yates, et. al. Dave.... Fuck you and your "STFU" bullshit. A wise lister once told me "Use a filter if you don't want to read this thread." On 10/3/05, Dave Yates wrote: STFU, take if off list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 20:03:08 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:03:01 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Paul Hutchins Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, bad road design does! Cc: DCCycles , Thomas Jordan Paul I'd like to thank you for the time, effort, and attention of checking over my work, and civilised addition to the discussion. Good example. On 10/1/05, Paul Hutchins wrote: > Danny, > > Your calculation (that there are more fatal crashes under 60 mph)is > meaningless. You need to use a comparative measure like 'per mile' or a > percentage of total, not simply total number. > > Using the data in Table 29 of the study you are referring to: > > Total number of crashes (excluding "no limit" or "unknown") = 6,267,000 > Total number of fatal crashes = 36,747 > > % crashes resulting in fatality = 0.59% > > % crashes resulting in fatality (60mph or higher) = 1.29% > % crashes resulting in fatality (under 60 mph) = 0.51% > > % crashes 60 mph or higher = 9.5% (of total crashes) > % fatal crashes 60 mph or higher = 20.3% (of all fatal crashes). > > Fatalities are "over-represented" in crashes 60 mph or greater > (approximately twice as high as 'slower' crashes). Whether or not speed was > THE factor resulting in death cannot be known based on the data in this > study. so let's keep going with the percentages and logic.. the actual numbers are 7,769 fatalities out of 600,000 crashes at 60+ MPH (1.29%) 28,978 fatalities out of 5,607,000 crashes 59 and lower MPH ( 0.51%) While there is a less than 1% difference in the two, we know the death rates are actually tripple, for those dying @ under 60 mph, than those dying over 60 mph. As you see there are far far fewer crashes above 60, than below 60. Crashes are 9x more over represented going less than 60 MPH than over 60 MPH. That kind of negates the less than 3 times more likely fatality ratio of crashing over 60 vs under 60. All that being said, who here doesn't drive over 60 MPH ??? (therefor no one should be arguing that speed kills) Speed kills... apparently it's killing people in accidents at a little over 1 half of 1 percent of all accidents. Before anyone says that speed kills, they should see table 31 of the study! http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2003F.pdf Undivided 2 way 2 lane roads have fatal accidents at a rate of 10 to 1 over any other type of road. Take a look at the fatalities relating to road type: 1. undivided 2 way street = 22,120 crashes 2. divided 2 way streets = 6,307 crashes 3. undivided 4 lane roads = 2,467 4. divided 4 lane roads = 2,214 5. divided more than 4 lane road = 709 If this isn't an arguement for Dividing roads from on coming traffic I don't know what is. Danny speed doesn't kill, bad road designs do! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 20:08:39 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:08:32 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do. Cc: DCCycles You should have said that in english so the whole list knows what kind of homosexual ideas run through your mind, mouth, and hands. On 10/1/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Danny aiment sucer sur le pénis et avoir des hommes chiez dans sa bouche. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 20:20:47 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:20:40 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: speed doesn't kill, Dave Yates, et. al. Cc: DCCycles You know you guys really should watch your mouth and be more civilized, you're running away listers who don't have a working knowledge of kill filters LOL the digesters probably find this hard to digest LOL although I agree in a more civilized tone...with the latter part. :) Deep down we all really agree on most stuff. - Danny the lists most hated long winded big mouth On 10/3/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Dave.... Fuck you and your "STFU" bullshit. A wise lister once told me > "Use a filter if you don't want to read this thread." > > On 10/3/05, Dave Yates wrote: > STFU, take if off list. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 20:34:22 2005 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:34:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Gold Wing Air Bag Video At 06:46 PM 10/3/2005, Tealkat6@XXXXXX wrote: >Honda video of airbag test. > >http://www.ilchapterh.com/movies/goldwing%20bag1.mpg > ...all I know was I was sick seeing them total two wingers like that. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 20:36:45 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:36:38 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A lot of DC police officers ride.. a lot of dc police officers are laid back..but there a few with something to prove (rookies). P.G. county has a much higher D.H. to cool cop ratio. I do it in dc and pg. Won't do it anywhere else.. with the exception of backed up 395/495 with a keen eye of what's ahead of me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 20:55:56 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Tankbags (hey Julian!!!) :-) When I was at Criswell picking up my winch and plow for my Polaris 700, I saw this neat little JR magnetic tankbag. For those times when I don't need all the storage of my Tourmaster bag, this is the perfect size. Carry my phone, GPS (including a little window), MP3 player, camera, etc. www.blueblackbusa.org/manta It was $39.99. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 21:01:07 2005 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:00:45 -0400 From: Gordon James Miller To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tankbags (hey Julian!!!) :-) I've had one of these now for a few months and it works great. Large enough to hold two 20-ounce bottles of soda and 2 candy bars in the main compartment, my cell phone in the upper top pocket (that has a see through window so I can see when someone calls), and my badges, keys, etc in the lower top pocket. Perfect size for carrying everything I need around town. Wayne Edelen wrote: > When I was at Criswell picking up my winch and plow for my Polaris 700, I > saw this neat little JR magnetic tankbag. For those times when I don't > need all the storage of my Tourmaster bag, this is the perfect size. > Carry my phone, GPS (including a little window), MP3 player, camera, etc. > > www.blueblackbusa.org/manta > > It was $39.99. > > -- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 3 21:10:18 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:31:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tankbags (hey Julian!!!) :-) On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Gordon James Miller wrote: > I've had one of these now for a few months and it works great. Large > enough to hold two 20-ounce bottles of soda and 2 candy bars in the main > compartment, my cell phone in the upper top pocket (that has a see > through window so I can see when someone calls), and my badges, keys, > etc in the lower top pocket. Perfect size for carrying everything I > need around town. Always good to hear a positive review :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 00:16:41 2005 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:16:32 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] so speed doesn't kill, huh? A picture is worth a thousand words. The Honda rider was traveling at such a "very high speed", his reaction time was not sufficient enough to avoid this accident. Swedish Police estimate a speed of ~250 KM/h (155mph) before the bike hit the slow moving car side-on at an intersection. At that speed, they predicted that the rider's reaction time (once the vehicle came into view) wasn't sufficient enough for him to even apply the brakes. The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them. The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 10 feet from where the collision took place. All three involved (two in car and rider) were killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at the Stockholm Motorcycle Fair by the Swedish Police and Road Safety Department. The sign above the display also noted that the rider had only recently obtained his license. At 250 KM (155 mph) the operator is traveling at 227 feet per second. With normal reaction time to SEE-DECIDE-REACT of 1.6 seconds the above operator would have traveled over 363 feet while making a decision on what actions to take. In this incident the Swedish police indicate that no actions were taken. I'd post the pics but the list doesn't allow that. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 01:31:30 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:22:04 -0400 To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights At 11:01 AM 10/3/2005 -0400, Mike Troutman wrote: >But that won't fly across the >river in VA. You will get ticketed for reckless (so I have heard) A lister got such a ticket in VA last year unless I'm misremembering. There was a short thread about finding a lawyer. >generally the people in NoVA are very uptight about lines. Yep! I was in Sterling a couple of years ago and crossed over a solid white line into a left turn lane at about 2am, with nothing else on the road with me anywhere in sight, and a cop jumped out of a nearby parking lot and pulled me over to tell me about it. He didn't issue any tickets though, and since I'd just left a bar/pool place when this happened, I expect he was more interested in checking for DWI than the white line thing...that was just an excuse for the stop. I didn't argue, hadn't had anything to drink, was polite and had the proper papers with me so he warned me to be careful about it and left. >I've only >filtered here in Fairfax a few times - both with hail emmenant - and >heard cursing a horns behind me both times. Can't speak to MD. I was in Frederick last Wednesday about rush hour time (5:30pm) and there was a backup on I270 where I70 and Rt 15 split. I don't filter, but a guy on a chopper passed me doing that and there was no reaction from the other vehicles stopped around me. No honking, or shouting anyway. No LEOs in the area though. >I am of the opinion that when you need to turn right at a red light and >the guy in front is going straight, you can move up 3-4 car lengths >without an issue just about anywhere including NoVA. Go more than that, >and you might be asking for it in their minds. You may be able to get away with it, but I don't believe it's legal. Passing another vehicle in the same lane isn't legal anywhere around here. Passing *one* vehicle on the shoulder is legal, if that vehicle is turning left. Passing more than one is not legal (or safe...what if one of them decides to pass too and doesn't see you? Ouch...). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 08:22:50 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:43:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Mike B. wrote: > You may be able to get away with it, but I don't believe it's legal. > Passing another vehicle in the same lane isn't legal anywhere around here. > Passing *one* vehicle on the shoulder is legal, if that vehicle is turning > left. Passing more than one is not legal (or safe...what if one of them > decides to pass too and doesn't see you? Ouch...). Where did you get that info? I was stopped for dropping 2 tires on to the shoulder to get around someone making a left turn. The cop told me that is leaving the road and you can not do that to get around someone. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 08:29:24 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:29:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Mike B." wrote: > Passing *one* vehicle on the shoulder is legal, if that vehicle is turning > left. No, it's not, Mike. Not unless there's an extra lane for you to do it in. If you're on a road that's one lane in each direction, and the car ahead of you signals and stops to make a left-hand turn, it's illegal for you to pass him, whether there's a shoulder or not. -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 08:41:06 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:40:58 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so speed doesn't kill, huh? Nope - the rider and passengers of the car were just fine until the rider stopped moving. Deceleration forces on the rider, and acceleration forces on the car passengers was the fatal factor. The velocity of the rider did increase the above forces, but the velocity, in and of itself, didn't kill anyone. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 08:43:03 2005 From: To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 8:42:42 -0400 > > >I am of the opinion that when you need to turn right at a red light and > >the guy in front is going straight, you can move up 3-4 car lengths > >without an issue just about anywhere including NoVA. Go more than that, > >and you might be asking for it in their minds. > > You may be able to get away with it, but I don't believe it's legal. > Passing another vehicle in the same lane isn't legal anywhere around here. > Passing *one* vehicle on the shoulder is legal, if that vehicle is turning > left. Passing more than one is not legal (or safe...what if one of them > decides to pass too and doesn't see you? Ouch...). > ...actually, that's considered passing on the right, which is illegal though hardly ever enforced. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 08:51:59 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Tankbags (hey Julian!!!) :-) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:51:50 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Come to think of it. When I had my tank bag from Nelson Rigg - I never lost anything. The only downside was it scraped the tank like nobody's business so I stopped using it. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Tankbags (hey Julian!!!) :-) When I was at Criswell picking up my winch and plow for my Polaris 700, I saw this neat little JR magnetic tankbag. For those times when I don't need all the storage of my Tourmaster bag, this is the perfect size. Carry my phone, GPS (including a little window), MP3 player, camera, etc. www.blueblackbusa.org/manta It was $39.99. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 08:53:35 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:53:26 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Gold Wing Air Bag Video Tealkat6@XXXXXX wrote: > >Honda video of airbag test. > >http://www.ilchapterh.com/movies/goldwing%20bag1.mpg > > > > > WOW, I knew the goldwing was big. But DAAAAMMMN I would not have like to have been in that car. tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 09:09:38 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 4 Oct 2005 13:09:30 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:09:29 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Danny wrote: >>[Snip]...P.G. county has a much higher D.H. to cool cop ratio. I do it in dc and pg.... Not to gainsay your point, but I once got a ticket in PG County for *walking my bike* (as I saddled it) past the rear bumper of a patrol car that waiting in the rightmost of three lanes, blocking a right turn access lane. That was over 25 years ago, and I'm still pissed off. What a d*ckweed. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 09:15:18 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Tankbags (hey Julian!!!) :-) On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Julian Halton wrote: > Come to think of it. When I had my tank bag from Nelson Rigg - I never > lost anything. The only downside was it scraped the tank like nobody's > business so I stopped using it. I have been using a magnetic tankbag since my bike was new and there isn't a single scratch on my gas tank. A little bit of wax and care when putting it on/taking it off is all it takes :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 09:19:51 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:17:55 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >>Passing *one* vehicle on the shoulder is legal, if that vehicle is turning left. Passing more than one is not legal (or safe...what if one of them decides to pass too and doesn't see you? Ouch...). >> >> >> > >...actually, that's considered passing on the right, which is illegal though hardly ever enforced. > There is a very real danger of passing someone on the shoulder that is turning left, especially at speed in a cage. People do it all the time without thinking. If someone is following you closely when you make the move, they suddenly have a parked vehicle in front of them without warning. Yet people do it all the time. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 10:18:10 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:18:08 -0400 From: Jim Williams To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 192.168.66.250 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/03/05 I'm done. http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/lifelist.html See 6a. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 11:10:27 2005 From: To: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:10:03 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Has Anyone Used This Type of Plug? Safety reasons aside from even using a plug on a tire (and the subsequent banter that would ensue), has anyone ever seen/used this type of plug? I have a friend in Oz that has bought this plug for on-the-road emergencies but was curious if this was a good or better than others he's seen: http://maruni-ind.co.jp/challenge/m2s.html It's in Japanese but the video is pretty self explanatory. Pretty cool plug/concept though. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 11:13:40 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/03/05 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:13:32 -0400 Sounds more like 6b: "...people quit in a huff..." Perry - still hanging in here >From: Jim Williams >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/03/05 >Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:18:08 -0400 > >I'm done. > >http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/lifelist.html > >See 6a. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 11:26:07 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:25:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Has Anyone Used This Type of Plug? Aki dared to post moto content: Safety reasons aside from even using a plug on a tire (and the subsequent banter that would ensue), has anyone ever seen/used this type of plug? http://maruni-ind.co.jp/challenge/m2s.html [Dave] I don't know if this is really an "apples to apples" comparo, but the local Firestone uses a patch/plug combo similar to this. It has kind of a mushroom appearance and works on a similar principle obviously. This is of course on a cage and wouldn't be subject to the same stresses as a plug or patch on a bike tire. I thought I saw a similar bike type kit available in one of my many moto catalogs a while back. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 12:06:02 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:05:52 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Has Anyone Used This Type of Plug? On 10/4/05, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Safety reasons aside from even using a plug on a tire (and the subsequent banter that would ensue), has anyone ever seen/used this type of plug? I have a friend in Oz that has bought this plug for on-the-road emergencies but was curious if this was a good or better than others he's seen: It looks to be about the same concept as a mushroom plug. Many of the LD guys swear by them, others say they're close to useless and have popped out several of them. Personally, I'll stick with the rubber worms. I've never had one let go if it was done right in the first place. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 12:52:05 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/03/05 Content-ID: <21757.1128444723.1@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:52:03 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Sounds more like 6b: > >"...people quit in a huff..." There are typically around 250-300 subscribers on the list at any given time, and people come and go here every day. The overly dramatic "you suck, I'm outtahere!" farewells aren't really necessary, they tend to remind me of the punchline here: http://www.joke-archives.com/travel/getitright.html -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 12:54:17 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'mike@XXXXXX'" , "'axledeep@XXXXXX'" Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:54:23 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Troutman Mentioned: "Most of the agencies have cars with lights, including FBI, Cap Hill, Secret Service, Etc. None of them can write you a traffic ticket except the local or depending on location, the state police." [Carl]: From personal experience, the Uniformed Secret Service and Federal Protection Service can and will write tickets. You have to show up in DC court. I believe all of the Federal uniformed police can issue DC tickets. And as many know, the Park Police are notorious for writing tickets. James O'Connor" Opined: "speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do." Two snaps and a triple "Amen". Several buddies have signed on to DCCycles and left because of the B.S. and non-moto ranting ("Penis waving" one woman called it.) Alas, I'm on digest and can't filter those known to blather. I sympathize with Harry's wish to keep DCCycles unmoderated but the noise to news ratio is often ridiculously high. Dang, I missed the Shepherdstown Motofest! http://www.italianmotofest.com/2005schedule.html That's usually posted here. Did I miss it because of the noise? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 13:22:02 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:21:50 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: "Custer, Carl" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Cc: DCCycles On 10/4/05, Carl "Gimme that helmet door prize" Custer wrote: > Troutman Mentioned: > "Most of the agencies have cars with lights, including FBI, Cap Hill, Secret > Service, Etc. None of them can write you a traffic ticket except the local > or depending on location, the state police." > > [Carl]: From personal experience, the Uniformed Secret Service and Federal > Protection Service can and will write tickets. You have to show up in DC > court. I believe all of the Federal uniformed police can issue DC tickets. > And as many know, the Park Police are notorious for writing tickets. So are the US Capitol Police, witness SWMBO's ticket for an illegal right-turn-on-red. USCP has a patrol area extending east into the Capitol Hill neighborhood as far as 8th St. and their cruisers are in evidence much more so than the MPD. > > > Dang, I missed the Shepherdstown Motofest! > http://www.italianmotofest.com/2005schedule.html > > That's usually posted here. Did I miss it because of the noise? > Dang, I missed it too. Related topic, for those that missed it, a page one WaPo story today on DC's red light cams *not* reducing crashes. [shocker] Teaser: "The District's red-light cameras have generated more than 500,000 violations and $32 million in fines over the past six years. City officials credit them with making busy roads safer. But a Washington Post analysis of crash statistics shows that the number of accidents has gone up at intersections with the cameras. The increase is the same or worse than at traffic signals without the devices." -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 13:43:31 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Paul Wilson'" Cc: DCCycles Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:43:46 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights > [Carl]: From personal experience, the Uniformed Secret Service and > Federal Protection Service can and will write tickets. You have to > show up in DC court. I believe all of the Federal uniformed police > can issue DC tickets. And as many know, the Park Police are notorious > for writing tickets. Paul Wrote: "So are the US Capitol Police, witness SWMBO's ticket for an illegal right-turn-on-red. USCP has a patrol area extending east into the Capitol Hill neighborhood as far as 8th St. and their cruisers are in evidence much more so than the MPD." [Off list someone asked]: "They can write you traffic tickets in DC? That is crazy. How does a federal agency enforce local laws?" [Carl]: IIRC about 15-20 years ago, there was an agreement to deputize Federal Officers to enable them to aid the DC police in enforcing DC laws. [PW]: Related topic, for those that missed it, a page one WaPo story today on DC's red light cams *not* reducing crashes. [shocker] Teaser: "The District's red-light cameras have generated more than 500,000 violations and $32 million in fines over the past six years. City officials credit them with making busy roads safer. But a Washington Post analysis of crash statistics shows that the number of accidents has gone up at intersections with the cameras. The increase is the same or worse than at traffic signals without the devices." [Carl]: Would it have been worse without the red light cameras or the same? That is the question. One of the perils of analyzing data without proper controls. IIRC, they installed the cameras at the more perilous intersections. "The data are very clear," said Dick Raub, a traffic consultant and a former senior researcher at Northwestern University's Center for Public Safety. "They are not performing any better than intersections without cameras." "Ramsey said the number of accidents would be even higher without the cameras, . . ." Ergo, as Bacon wrote many years ago: " The human understanding is no dry light, but receives infusion from the will and affections; which proceed sciences which may be called "sciences as one would." For what a man had rather were true he more readily believes. . . " - Francis Bacon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 15:00:43 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:00:34 -0400 From: smthng else To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights On 10/4/05, Paul Wilson wrote: > On 10/4/05, Carl "Gimme that helmet door prize" Custer wrote: > So are the US Capitol Police, witness SWMBO's ticket for an illegal > right-turn-on-red. USCP has a patrol area extending east into the > Capitol Hill neighborhood as far as 8th St. and their cruisers are in > evidence much more so than the MPD. The Secret Service uniformed cops can also write out tickets and have done so on numerous occaisions near my old office by UDC. Moving or parked really makes no difference to them. They'll ticket and tow without much hesitation. I was always curious why the "Secret" Service drove marked cars around DC. ;) ps. apologies if this double-posts... Gmail is having a bad day again. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 15:01:39 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:01:31 -0400 From: smthng else To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Cc: "Custer, Carl" , DCCycles On 10/4/05, Paul Wilson wrote: > On 10/4/05, Carl "Gimme that helmet door prize" Custer wrote: > So are the US Capitol Police, witness SWMBO's ticket for an illegal > right-turn-on-red. USCP has a patrol area extending east into the > Capitol Hill neighborhood as far as 8th St. and their cruisers are in > evidence much more so than the MPD. The Secret Service uniformed cops can also write out tickets and have done so on numerous occaisions near my old office by UDC. Moving or parked really makes no difference to them. They'll ticket and tow without much hesitation. I was always curious why the "Secret" Service drove marked cars around DC. ;) ps. apologies if this double posts... Gmail is having a bad day again. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 15:08:06 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:07:59 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Filtering at stop lights On 10/4/05, Custer, Carl wrote: > > > [Off list someone asked]: "They can write you traffic tickets in DC? That > is crazy. How does a federal agency enforce local laws?" As far as DC goes, US Constitution Article I, Section 8, clause 17 prolly has summat to do with it. > > > Teaser: > "The District's red-light cameras have generated more than 500,000 > violations and $32 million in fines over the past six years. City officials > credit them with making busy roads safer. > > But a Washington Post analysis of crash statistics shows that the number of > accidents has gone up at intersections with the cameras. The increase is the > same or worse than at traffic signals without the devices." > > [Carl]: Would it have been worse without the red light cameras or the same? > That is the question. One of the perils of analyzing data without proper > controls. IIRC, they installed the cameras at the more perilous > intersections. It's hard to do a control. Obviously you can't do a true control, where the camera and non-camera scenarios are in play simultaneously at the exact same intersections. The Post's study seems to be a before/after analysis. The bottom line is that the Post study could not substantiate Ramsey's claims. Seems to me the onus is on him to prove it, not on others to disprove it. Unmentioned is tinkering with yellow signal duration. Ramsey also commits this howler: "Ramsey said the number of accidents would be even higher without the cameras, adding that he would like to install them at every traffic light in the city. He pointed to last year's steep decrease in traffic fatalities -- 45 people died compared with 69 in 2003 -- as evidence that the program is working." If that's the standard of proof, it is also evidence that changes in sunspot activity, stock market slumps, or global warming affect the number of traffic fatalities. Ramsey might want to bone up on the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 15:12:03 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:05:46 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights At 08:43 AM 10/4/2005 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Mike B. wrote: > >> You may be able to get away with it, but I don't believe it's legal. >> Passing another vehicle in the same lane isn't legal anywhere around here. >> Passing *one* vehicle on the shoulder is legal, if that vehicle is turning >> left. Passing more than one is not legal (or safe...what if one of them >> decides to pass too and doesn't see you? Ouch...). > >Where did you get that info? I was stopped for dropping 2 tires on to the >shoulder to get around someone making a left turn. The cop told me that >is leaving the road and you can not do that to get around someone. I got it from driving class originally (VA), but I'm fairly sure I've seen it in driving manuals from the DMV. Cops aren't always right about the law (hunt around for a "driving while barefoot" thread and see examples)...but this seems worth checking on now. If someone here doesn't cite a relevant law soon, I'll see what I can find. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 15:24:11 2005 From: To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:23:50 -0400 > > From: "Mike B." > Date: 2005/10/04 Tue PM 03:05:46 EDT > To: Wayne Edelen , DCCycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights > > At 08:43 AM 10/4/2005 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Mike B. wrote: > > > >> You may be able to get away with it, but I don't believe it's legal. > >> Passing another vehicle in the same lane isn't legal anywhere around here. > >> Passing *one* vehicle on the shoulder is legal, if that vehicle is turning > >> left. Passing more than one is not legal (or safe...what if one of them > >> decides to pass too and doesn't see you? Ouch...). > > > >Where did you get that info? I was stopped for dropping 2 tires on to the > >shoulder to get around someone making a left turn. The cop told me that > >is leaving the road and you can not do that to get around someone. > > I got it from driving class originally (VA), but I'm fairly sure I've seen > it in driving manuals from the DMV. Cops aren't always right about the law > (hunt around for a "driving while barefoot" thread and see examples)...but > this seems worth checking on now. If someone here doesn't cite a relevant > law soon, I'll see what I can find. > I went to the Va DMV website and cut this from their DMV Manual: You may pass on the right if the vehicle you are passing has signaled and is making a left turn. Be cautious because the vehicle you are passing may be blocking your view or blocking the view of other drivers. You may not pass on the right if you must drive off the pavement or main portion of the roadway to get around the other vehicle. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 15:32:24 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Paul Wilson'" Cc: DCCycles Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:32:38 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: Filtering at stop lights Obviously you can't do a true control, where the camera and non-camera scenarios are in play simultaneously at the exact same intersections. The Post's study seems to be a before/after analysis. The bottom line is that the Post study could not substantiate Ramsey's claims. Seems to me the onus is on him to prove it, not on others to disprove it. Unmentioned is tinkering with yellow signal duration. [Carl]: You're correct. There are sufficient factors unaddressed to render an objective scientific conclusion unobtainable. Ergo . . . Ramsey also commits this howler: [Carl]: Not a Howler, it's the new trend, "Faith-based traffic control" 0:^) "Ramsey said the number of accidents would be even higher without the cameras, adding that he would like to install them at every traffic light in the city. He pointed to last year's steep decrease in traffic fatalities -- 45 people died compared with 69 in 2003 -- as evidence that the program is working." If that's the standard of proof, it is also evidence that changes in sunspot activity, stock market slumps, or global warming affect the number of traffic fatalities. Ramsey might want to bone up on the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. [Carl]: Academics call it a fallacy, but many believe it's a proof =:^O From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 15:58:24 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:58:51 -0400 To: , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights At 03:23 PM 10/4/2005 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: "Mike B." >> At 08:43 AM 10/4/2005 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >> >Where did you get that info? I was stopped for dropping 2 tires on to the >> >shoulder to get around someone making a left turn. The cop told me that >> >is leaving the road and you can not do that to get around someone. >> >> I got it from driving class originally (VA), but I'm fairly sure I've seen >> it in driving manuals from the DMV. Cops aren't always right about the law >> (hunt around for a "driving while barefoot" thread and see examples)...but >> this seems worth checking on now. If someone here doesn't cite a relevant >> law soon, I'll see what I can find. > >I went to the Va DMV website and cut this from their DMV Manual: > >You may pass on the right if the vehicle you are passing has >signaled and is making a left turn. Be cautious because >the vehicle you are passing may be blocking your view or blocking the >view of other drivers. You may not pass on the right if you must drive >off the pavement or main portion of the roadway to get around the >other vehicle. Ok, they were doing fine until that last sentence. That seems to indicate that you can't use the shoulder to pass, even if it's paved. Since you can't pass in the same lane (I had a friend in H.S. who got a ticket for that, even though the "lane" was three lanes wide at that point...it just wasn't marked as three lanes...yet), that basically means you can only "pass" in another marked lane...and since lane changes are generally legal, what's the point of talking about the whole "turning left" bit? Are they seriously suggesting that if it weren't for this exception if I'm in the right lane of a 4 lane road, and someone is in the left lane of my side of the road, that I'd have to stop and wait for them to turn before proceeding? As far as "passing on the right" goes in general, if we are talking the shoulder of a two lane road and a moving passee, fine, don't do it, but on a multi-lane road that happens constantly. If you couldn't "pass on the right" on the beltway, it would be more screwed up than it already is. I think maybe the laws need updating from the old 1930s versions... Thanks for the reference! Looks like they only told us half the deal in class...or I only remembered half of it. ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 16:29:46 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... Speaking of changing the interpretation of traffic laws: through the 1960s it was taught that the legal way for two cars at an intersection, going in opposite directions and both seeking to make left-hand turns, was to pass each other (i.e., driver's side to driver's side) before turning left. Drivers behind those drivers were supposed to leave room for such turns. I haven't even heard this mentioned in decades, particulary since the advent of quad lane intersections with simultaneous left turn signals. Can you imagine trying to do that today in Old Town Alexandria or DC? And on a bike? Yikes! -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 19:31:52 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:31:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" No desire to bring up this old post. But, as I hate to take credit for another man's work, know that it was actually not I who said.... James O'Connor" Opined: "speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do." Just to set the story right :) . That Wing video was something else...... - Jimmy --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > James O'Connor" Opined: > "speed doesn't kill, Danny's statistics do." > > Two snaps and a triple "Amen". > Several buddies have signed on to DCCycles and left because of the > B.S. and > non-moto ranting ("Penis waving" one woman called it.) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 19:33:35 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:33:50 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... At 01:29 PM 10/4/2005 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >Speaking of changing the interpretation of traffic laws: through the 1960s it was >taught that the legal way for two cars at an intersection, going in opposite >directions and both seeking to make left-hand turns, was to pass each other >(i.e., driver's side to driver's side) before turning left. Drivers behind those >drivers were supposed to leave room for such turns. > >I haven't even heard this mentioned in decades, particulary since the advent of >quad lane intersections with simultaneous left turn signals. Can you imagine >trying to do that today in Old Town Alexandria or DC? And on a bike? Yikes! Yeah, back when there were only two cars at an intersection at a time, this could work. It could still be made to work at a stop sign, but not at a traffic light where you get streams of cars. I just wish people would remember that you are supposed to end up in the lane closest to where you started...i.e. making a right, you end up in the right lane, making a left you end up in the left lane...assuming only single turning lane in both cases. People today, despite the smaller, better engineered cars, can't seem to make a left turn without using up 3 lanes to do it in. This may be necessary in a United Moving Van, but in a sub-compact??? I guess driving ability is deteriorating over time. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 22:45:27 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:45:20 -0400 From: Radio Waves To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... On 10/4/05, Mike B. wrote: > I just wish people would remember that you are supposed to end up in the > lane closest to where you started...i.e. making a right, you end up in the > right lane, making a left you end up in the left lane...assuming only > single turning lane in both cases. People today, despite the smaller, > better engineered cars, can't seem to make a left turn without using up 3 > lanes to do it in. This may be necessary in a United Moving Van, but in a > sub-compact??? I guess driving ability is deteriorating over time. Yeah. Maybe the nearly omniscient transportation engineers should factor this in to new speed limits! Designing traffic guidelines to anything other than the lowest common denominator kills, after all. Did your village find you yet? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 4 23:28:41 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:28:34 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights On 10/4/05, Mike B. wrote: > If you couldn't "pass on the right" on the beltway, it would be more screwed up than it already is. I'd have to agree with this, only because drivers around here don't really know how to drive. In Europe, passing on the right is a big no-no, even on large fast multilane roadways (like the beltway.) It works great, and I never had a problem getting around anyone who was moving slower than myself. Of course, I wasn't speeding of lane splitting. That stuff kills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 00:38:14 2005 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles --- "Mike B." wrote: > I just wish people would remember that you are supposed to end up in the > lane closest to where you started... That too is the law in most jurisdictions. But people can't even keep that straight here in Old Town, where some streets have two left turn lanes onto the three-lane Route 1, and the dipshits in the left lane still try to turn into the right-most lane. I don't know where they think the left turning car next to them is going to go. -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 11:01:29 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:02:19 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... At 09:38 PM 10/4/2005 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >straight here in Old Town, where some streets have two left turn lanes onto the >three-lane Route 1, and the dipshits in the left lane still try to turn into the >right-most lane. I don't know where they think the left turning car next to them is going to go. Yep...I've seen them do that even when there were lines painted on the road to tell them where they were supposed to go. Even drawing some people a picture isn't enough, apparently. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 15:06:37 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:06:25 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] It all happened on my way back from the Treasurer's office Filtering...the disadvantages of. By Me On my way back from paying various and sundry taxes in order to avoid various and sundry fines, I am reminded of the reasons not to opt to filter left. I am on North Fairfax Drive heading West just after crossing Washington Boulevard. As I approach the intersection, I see a van slowly pulling to the right. I "assumed: the van would be shifting to the right lane to turn onto Kirkwood. I decide to pass on the left and squeeze into the second lane that opens up before the intersection. Joe van driver heads right and then.......cranks a hard left. Why is it that when you get hard on the brakes, the bike goes all mushy? Is that a sign of wheel slippage? Anyway I was able to brake in time and angle right to go around the van. Note to self...don't assume anything. Arlington's finest on two wheels are out in force today and I am cheerily waving at them from the confines of the right lane obeying all posted traffic signals. Apart from my what is the physical explanation of that mushy feeling when hard on the brakes; my other question is "what's the deal on the Arlington decal?". Some bikes display them, some don't. Is there a legally mandated rule \place to display the sticker on a bike? Today is a great day to ride, and I am counting my blessings that I have a great bike to ride! And the PPTA was only 37.00 dollars aside from the decal fee of 24.00. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 16:04:23 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:25:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Mike B. wrote: > Yep...I've seen them do that even when there were lines painted on the road > to tell them where they were supposed to go. Even drawing some people a > picture isn't enough, apparently. Along those same, 'people are too fscking stupid to drive', lines - cruising 270N late this AM, I'm in the right lane, coming up behind another car. No other cars for at least 1/4-1/2 mile, as I move to the left to pass, I notice this car is planted 1/2 car length away from another car in front of them, both traveling about 72-74mph. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 16:22:41 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:22:27 -0400 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Think traffic is bad around here?............ Think traffic is bad around here?............ http://media.putfile.com/survive-saigon-short-movie/wide Steven Di Pietro __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 16:36:59 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:36:53 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... At 04:25 PM 10/5/2005 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >Along those same, 'people are too fscking stupid to drive', lines - >cruising 270N late this AM, I'm in the right lane, coming up behind >another car. No other cars for at least 1/4-1/2 mile, as I move to the >left to pass, I notice this car is planted 1/2 car length away from >another car in front of them, both traveling about 72-74mph. First guess: Road rage...car in front did something to piss off the car in back, who is trying to intimidate the car in front by threatening to eat his own steering wheel on command from the car in front's brake pedal. Second Guess: Driver thinks he's in NASCAR and is trying to "draft" off of the car in front. Third Guess: Driver flunked, or never took, physics and driving classes and not only doesn't have a clue, he couldn't get a clue while standing in a clue field covered in clue scent during clue mating season. Just think of it as evolution in action. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 16:43:44 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:42:00 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... Wayne Edelen wrote: > Along those same, 'people are too fscking stupid to drive', lines - > cruising 270N late this AM, I'm in the right lane, coming up behind > another car. No other cars for at least 1/4-1/2 mile, as I move to the > left to pass, I notice this car is planted 1/2 car length away from > another car in front of them, both traveling about 72-74mph. > > -- Wayne heh. I was towing a car out to Winchester from Sterling using a Land Cruiser and a tow dolley. I was able to maintain 50mph without stressing anything, so that's the speed I went. going down rt7, at about 12 midnight, I ended up with a line of 5 cars behind me and no one in the left lane. Every now and then one of them would wake up and -roar- past, giving me dirty looks. soon enough, some other moron would take their place. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 17:17:37 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:17:22 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Think traffic is bad around here?............ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO That didn't look like bad traffic to me. They were all moving at a good pace and I didn't see a single accident or bout of road rage. Just one bus driver blowing his horn. :-) Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Think traffic is bad around here?............ Think traffic is bad around here?............ http://media.putfile.com/survive-saigon-short-movie/wide Steven Di Pietro __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 17:27:42 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:27:59 -0400 To: skip From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... Cc: dc-cycles At 04:42 PM 10/5/2005 -0400, skip wrote: >heh. I was towing a car out to Winchester from Sterling using a Land >Cruiser and a tow dolley. I was able to maintain 50mph without >stressing anything, so that's the speed I went. going down rt7, at >about 12 midnight, I ended up with a line of 5 cars behind me and no one >in the left lane. Every now and then one of them would wake up and >-roar- past, giving me dirty looks. soon enough, some other moron would >take their place. Many years ago a friend's brother was working on his PhD in infrared optics at MIT. For his work he needed a large gas laser built, and this was done at a place outside of Boston. When it was ready he went to get it in his VW Bug with the luggage rack on top. The laser tube was encased and suspended inside a large cardboard tube...about 8" diameter and about 15' long. It was big, but not very heavy, so the Bug handled it fine, strapped to the luggage rack. As required, he put lights on each end (it overhung the bumpers). He started back at about 2am so as to avoid as much traffic as possible, and to avoid breaking the laser, he was going well under the limit and sticking to side roads. After a while he noticed a marked police car following him, so he was very careful to signal all turns, come to complete stops at stop signs, etc.. After a few miles of this the cop's lights went on and he got pulled over. He rolled down his window, and asked what the problem was and said he'd thought he'd been careful enough not to break any laws. The cop assured him that he hadn't broken any traffic laws, and that he just wanted to know what that thing on the luggage rack was. "Oh, *that*," said my friend's brother, "That's just a big laser." The cop looked startled and blurted out, "What are you doing with a laser that size on your car??" "It's for people who don't dim," said my friend's brother. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 17:30:06 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:59 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: "scooterfzr@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Think traffic is bad around here?............ Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 10/5/05, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > That didn't look like bad traffic to me. They were all moving at a > good pace and I didn't see a single accident or bout of road rage. > Just one bus driver blowing his horn. :-) > > Scooter > If that were VDOT, they'd signalize the intersection with about 45 signal heads, put in umpty-ump turn lanes (and no-turn-on-red signs) and it would take 30 minutes for the lights to cycle through, and they'd make sure the sub-surface detection loops on the turn lanes didn't pick up anything smaller than the Queen Mary. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 17:31:49 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:31:38 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Think traffic is bad around here?............ > Think traffic is bad around here?............ > http://media.putfile.com/survive-saigon-short-movie/wide Been there, done that (on a motorcycle) Not as bad as Napoli, though -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 5 20:56:32 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:56:17 -0400 From: smthng else To: "Tealkat6@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Think traffic is bad around here?............ Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 10/5/05, Tealkat6@XXXXXX wrote: > Think traffic is bad around here?............ > http://media.putfile.com/survive-saigon-short-movie/wide No accidents, no road rage, and almost no one ever stopped moving. That's what driving should be! I'd be willing to bet that the worst of the drivers in that clip is still better than 90% of American drivers. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 07:42:36 2005 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] the list is dead To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Dave Yates wrote: > > > [Dave] Killfiles. > > Bingo! > > BTW, if you think the list is dead and you're embarrassed > by what people > post, why do you continue to post? Are you going to make > a dramatic exit > post? :-) also known as "pulling an anita"? -- tg Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 12:27:57 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:27:42 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 10/5/2005 4:37:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > First guess: Road rage... > Second Guess: Driver thinks he's in NASCAR > > Third Guess: Driver flunked, or never took, physics Fourth guess: Driver was drunk on his ass. _Every_ time I have wound up dealing with an obviously drunk driver it has started with tailgating. Question: Why did the lead driver allow it? There are ways of getting rid of tailgaters, slowing for instance. Or was this "just" two guys fu#@ing around? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 13:16:46 2005 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/5/2005 4:37:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > First guess: Road rage... > > Second Guess: Driver thinks he's in NASCAR > > > Third Guess: Driver flunked, or never took, physics > > Fourth guess: Driver was drunk on his ass. _Every_ time I have wound up > dealing with an obviously drunk driver it has started with tailgating. > > Question: Why did the lead driver allow it? There are ways of getting rid of Just 2 oblivious idiots. My father in law drives like that, too. He drove ONCE when we were going to play golf early one Saturday AM. It's 6:30am, not another car in sight on 15N, and he's tailgating someone in the right lane. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 17:15:24 2005 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:15:14 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking FYI, just posted on the DC Scooters list: (Didn't know there was one, did ya?) ==== I would like to update you on a potentially threatening situation reguarding scooter theft in the District. Being a major metropolitan area obviously you must always be cautious. However in the last week I have had these 2 experiences. Mike Benson who owns Café Saint-EX and Bar Pillar rides a Stella scooter. He stores it in his garage at his house, 1st and S st NW. Last week his garage was broken into, and the scooter was taken. He ran into the thugs that stole the scooter Saturday night, he tried to grab it, and one of them pulled a gun out on him. He ran between two cars as the thief chased after him. Getting away he dialed and waited patiently for the police. Anyway I took a friend out last night who was interested in learning to ride. Had her out on a SR50, I was riding trail on a Stella. The Stella got a flat tire, so I dropped by Bar Pillar (14th and T) to leave it for the night. Mike told my friend the story, and updated me on what local authorities were doing about it. It was late so we decided to then take off. After assisting her onto the scooter, this rather rough looking individual walked right at us with his hand underneath his coat, saying "Excuse me." After hearing the story and just feeling not right about the situation I darted onto 14th St. towards Virginia. I went to blocks and mentioned to my friend how freaky that situation was, she felt the same way. We come up to a red light, and I stop all of a sudden I feel this push from the back (I have been rear-ended on a bike already, this felt similar) I gas the scooter, and look back as I see a black gentlemen with corn rows, flicking out a serrated knife and he took two swipes at us. The first grazed our jacket the second, was a few inches away. I am not being an advocate because this happened to me, I really just want people to know what is going on. Just maybe avoid the city at night if on a scooter? Matt Ross Coleman Powersports Falls Church, Va 703.237.3400 mross@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 17:37:05 2005 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:37:17 -0400 To: Aaron Maurer , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking At 05:15 PM 10/6/2005 -0400, Aaron Maurer wrote: >look back as I see a black gentlemen with corn rows, flicking out a serrated >knife and he took two swipes at us. The first grazed our jacket the second, >was a few inches away. I am not being an advocate because this happened to >me, I really just want people to know what is going on. Just maybe avoid the >city at night if on a scooter? > >Matt Ross >Coleman Powersports >Falls Church, Va >703.237.3400 >mross@XXXXXX How about just avoid the city entirely, all the time, until they get their crime under control a bit better? Or until the place just finishes dying once and for all and turns into the federal reserve it was supposed to be? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 18:44:32 2005 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:05:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Mike B. wrote: > How about just avoid the city entirely, all the time, until they get their > crime under control a bit better? Or until the place just finishes dying > once and for all and turns into the federal reserve it was supposed to be? Yeah, because there isn't any crime anywhere, except DC. Nothing ever happens in the suburbs. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 18:58:32 2005 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:58:22 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-CYCLES Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Todd Peer Todd - contact me off list mjordan812@XXXXXX -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 22:14:41 2005 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:14:51 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking At 07:05 PM 10/6/2005 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Mike B. wrote: > >> How about just avoid the city entirely, all the time, until they get their >> crime under control a bit better? Or until the place just finishes dying >> once and for all and turns into the federal reserve it was supposed to be? > >Yeah, because there isn't any crime anywhere, except DC. Nothing ever >happens in the suburbs. Check the stats...D.C. has enough crime for several times its population. I've seen the escape from an armed robbery in D.C. (Watergate Bakery), had friends who were held up at gunpoint on the street (good thing guns are illegal there, huh?), and heard all sorts of posts here about bikes stolen in D.C.. That's far worse than what I've found to be the case in the suburbs. I've never seen any part of a serious crime here, or known anyone who was robbed on the streets at gunpoint. Yes, there have been a few stolen bikes in the suburbs reported here, but comparing population sizes, D.C. is far more dangerous to your health and your property than the suburbs are. Other than an occasional event down around the Mall area, or the museums, there's nothing in D.C. that's worth the risk (or the general hassle factor) IMO. If others disagree, fine. Like those who think triple digit speeds on the public roadways are fun, they should just expect "I told you so" when the probabilities catch up with them. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 6 23:02:07 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:01:55 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] DC Dangerous Intersections Today's Post District Weekly print version listed the 50 most dangerous intersections: New York Ave. from New Jersey out to Bladensburg Road accounted for 4 of the top 5. 14th St. at Const. and Penn. were 13th and 14th. The online version contains the highlighting text only and a summary diagram -- Hot Spots for Crashes Multiply http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/05/AR2005100500 825.html?sub=AR Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > I just go fast so everyone misses me. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 07:08:30 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:08:18 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking > Yeah, because there isn't any crime anywhere, except DC. Nothing ever > happens in the suburbs. That's due to the fact that we Virginians are better armed than the thugs. They stay in D.C. & MD where it's safer for them. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 10:48:57 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:48:47 -0400 From: Radio Waves To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking Cc: DC Cycles My, but you certainly are a sanctimonious twit, Mike B. You can never resist the impulse to express just proud you are of your own boring decisions. Tell us, did you ever break the speed limit on your way into work today? I look forward to telling you "I told you so" when the probabilities catch up with you (in fact, since speeding isn't very dangerous, I expect it's much more likely that the probabilities will involve someone stomping you for being such a tool.) On 10/6/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 07:05 PM 10/6/2005 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Mike B. wrote: > > > >> How about just avoid the city entirely, all the time, until they get their > >> crime under control a bit better? Or until the place just finishes dying > >> once and for all and turns into the federal reserve it was supposed to be? > > > >Yeah, because there isn't any crime anywhere, except DC. Nothing ever > >happens in the suburbs. > > Check the stats...D.C. has enough crime for several times its population. > > I've seen the escape from an armed robbery in D.C. (Watergate Bakery), had > friends who were held up at gunpoint on the street (good thing guns are > illegal there, huh?), and heard all sorts of posts here about bikes stolen > in D.C.. That's far worse than what I've found to be the case in the > suburbs. > > I've never seen any part of a serious crime here, or known anyone who was > robbed on the streets at gunpoint. Yes, there have been a few stolen bikes > in the suburbs reported here, but comparing population sizes, D.C. is far > more dangerous to your health and your property than the suburbs are. > > Other than an occasional event down around the Mall area, or the museums, > there's nothing in D.C. that's worth the risk (or the general hassle > factor) IMO. If others disagree, fine. Like those who think triple digit > speeds on the public roadways are fun, they should just expect "I told you > so" when the probabilities catch up with them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 10:55:43 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:55:36 -0400 From: Radio Waves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Think traffic is bad around here?............ On 10/5/05, smthng else wrote: > On 10/5/05, Tealkat6@XXXXXX wrote: > > Think traffic is bad around here?............ > > http://media.putfile.com/survive-saigon-short-movie/wide Hey, no worries! It's just a slightly scaled up version of the "figure 8" drill from the MSF basic course! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 11:36:40 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:36:25 -0400 Everyone knows Mike B works from home, so nope. >From: Radio Waves >Reply-To: Radio Waves >To: "Mike B." >CC: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking >Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:48:47 -0400 > >My, but you certainly are a sanctimonious twit, Mike B. You can never >resist the impulse to express just proud you are of your own boring >decisions. Tell us, did you ever break the speed limit on your way >into work today? I look forward to telling you "I told you so" when >the probabilities catch up with you (in fact, since speeding isn't >very dangerous, I expect it's much more likely that the probabilities >will involve someone stomping you for being such a tool.) > >On 10/6/05, Mike B. wrote: > > At 07:05 PM 10/6/2005 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Mike B. wrote: > > > > > >> How about just avoid the city entirely, all the time, until they get >their > > >> crime under control a bit better? Or until the place just finishes >dying > > >> once and for all and turns into the federal reserve it was supposed >to be? > > > > > >Yeah, because there isn't any crime anywhere, except DC. Nothing ever > > >happens in the suburbs. > > > > Check the stats...D.C. has enough crime for several times its >population. > > > > I've seen the escape from an armed robbery in D.C. (Watergate Bakery), >had > > friends who were held up at gunpoint on the street (good thing guns are > > illegal there, huh?), and heard all sorts of posts here about bikes >stolen > > in D.C.. That's far worse than what I've found to be the case in the > > suburbs. > > > > I've never seen any part of a serious crime here, or known anyone who >was > > robbed on the streets at gunpoint. Yes, there have been a few stolen >bikes > > in the suburbs reported here, but comparing population sizes, D.C. is >far > > more dangerous to your health and your property than the suburbs are. > > > > Other than an occasional event down around the Mall area, or the >museums, > > there's nothing in D.C. that's worth the risk (or the general hassle > > factor) IMO. If others disagree, fine. Like those who think triple >digit > > speeds on the public roadways are fun, they should just expect "I told >you > > so" when the probabilities catch up with them. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 15:29:09 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:28:59 -0400 From: Radio Waves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking On 10/7/05, rich hall wrote: > Everyone knows Mike B works from home, so nope. Doh! It's tough being a newbie. I still have a good feeling about that stomping, though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 16:57:15 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:58:18 -0400 To: Radio Waves , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FYI - scooter jacking At 03:28 PM 10/7/2005 -0400, Radio Waves wrote: >On 10/7/05, rich hall wrote: >> Everyone knows Mike B works from home, so nope. > >Doh! It's tough being a newbie. I still have a good feeling about >that stomping, though. What stomping are you talking about? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 20:53:29 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] what a great night to be out riding if you're a duck... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 20:56:56 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:17:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] what a great night to be out riding On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, matthew patton wrote: > if you're a duck... I saw 4 bikers out today. At least one was on a Hardley! -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 23:55:51 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:55:43 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so speed doesn't kill, huh? Good point. Also like to say, the idiot was doing estimated 155 MPH through an intersection. That idiot would have likely be just as dead at 40 mph. The speed didnt' kill him, the negligent driving did. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 7 23:58:25 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:58:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: David Blumgart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Filtering at stop lights Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL I make it a general rule not to pass police cars if I can help it. One 'it's a respect thing" Two, harder to stand up in court that He monitered you "doing a traffic infraction" while driving forward looking in his rear view mirror. Three out of site out of mind. When in doubt, keep that cage in front of you. On 10/4/05, David Blumgart wrote: > Danny wrote: > >>[Snip]...P.G. county has a much higher D.H. to cool cop ratio. I do it in dc and pg.... > > Not to gainsay your point, but I once got a ticket in PG County for *walking my bike* (as I saddled it) past the rear bumper of a patrol car that waiting in the rightmost of three lanes, blocking a right turn access lane. That was over 25 years ago, and I'm still pissed off. What a d*ckweed. > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 00:05:30 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:05:23 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] evolving traffic laws... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 5th guess: car 1: bad tags car 2: "trying to hide the tags" either way, idiots. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 00:07:26 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:07:19 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "W.S." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC Dangerous Intersections Cc: DC-Cycles I can attest, a few years ago a lost woman, trying to find her way home, to 95, taking new york avenue out bound (the correct route) decides to make a right turn from the middle lane from NY to bladensburg rd and cut me off. I was fine, collected a nice fat insurance paycheck.. so..I was happy :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 00:40:12 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:40:05 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] interstate impeders I'm still trying to figure out why people drive stupid on interstates.. Why someone will get on via on ramp, procede over to the far left lane, and drive the speed limit. or why there tends to be people poking side by side in left, 2nd left, and 3rd left, while the right lane is empty. Noticed that in 2 different clumps. 2 rolling road blocks lol. Or why people will be on an empty high way, and just get over in your lane and get in your way, for no reason. All this stuff I witnessed mostly in my cage. except for the 3 side by side idiots. oh and when your'e merging onto the highway (say 395 prime example) and there is traffic ahead.. yet some moron feels like he has to speed past you blocking you from getting to the hghway, so he can rush up to the back of traffic and slam on his brakes. Friggin idiot. and then there are those driving slow in the fast lane and fast in the slow lane.. idiots. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 01:37:21 2005 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:37:01 -0400 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX To: pattonme@XXXXXX (matthew patton), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] =?ISO-8859-1?B?oHdoYXQgYSBncmVhdCBuaWdodCB0byBiZSBvdXQgcmlkaW5n?= X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO matthew patton wrote: >if you're a duck... > Quack, Quack. I did about 75 miles in the stuff today serving a couple summonses and subpeanas. Anyone have any recomendation for stuff to H20proof my boots? Steven Di Pietro Pasadena Md __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 07:58:03 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:57:54 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] interstate impeders Cc: DCCycles On 10/8/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out why people drive stupid on interstates.. It's not just on Interstates > ...idiots. See - you answered your own question :-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 09:34:19 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] what a great night to be out riding To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Quack! --- matthew patton wrote: > if you're a duck... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 09:41:25 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] what a great night to be out riding To: Tealkat6@XXXXXX, matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX You can try 3m Scotch Guard get it at wally's place or Home Depot. But nothing will be better than actual water tight/proof boots. Tom de 03 ST1300 --- Tealkat6@XXXXXX wrote: > matthew patton wrote: > > >if you're a duck... > > > > Quack, Quack. > > I did about 75 miles in the stuff today serving a > couple summonses and subpeanas. Anyone have any > recomendation for stuff to H20proof my boots? > > Steven Di Pietro > Pasadena Md > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those > annoying pop-ups. > Download now at > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 11:10:42 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Schmidt Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] what a great night to be out riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I got a pair of Tourmaster Solution boots this year. They're billed as waterproof. I did about thirty miles yesterday, much of it in the hard rain on 395, and my feet, unlike the rest of me, were dry. $108 at Kneedraggers isn't too bad either. http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/TourMaster_Solution_WP_Road_Boot--34-TM05-1.html --- Tom De wrote: > You can try 3m Scotch Guard get it at wally's place > or > Home Depot. But nothing will be better than actual > water tight/proof boots. > > Tom de > 03 ST1300 > > > --- Tealkat6@XXXXXX wrote: > > > matthew patton wrote: > > > > >if you're a duck... > > > > > > > Quack, Quack. > > > > I did about 75 miles in the stuff today serving a > > couple summonses and subpeanas. Anyone have any > > recomendation for stuff to H20proof my boots? > > > > Steven Di Pietro > > Pasadena Md > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those > > annoying pop-ups. > > Download now at > > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 8 12:36:20 2005 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:36:09 -0400 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] =?ISO-8859-1?B?oHdoYXQgYSBncmVhdCBuaWdodCB0byBiZSBvdXQgcmlkaW5n?= X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO Well, I've also been thinking about H2Oproof MC boots, but............. Anyone use these boot covers? Ya' can't beat $12.00, plus it looks like they can be tossed into the same bag for the rain suit. http://www.exigentbikecovers.com/accessories.htm Steven Di Pietro Pasadena Md __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 9 07:42:52 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Need a set of leathers I need a set of racing leathers to wear on the weekend of October 29th and 30th. The East Coast Timimg Association (ECTA) has an altered wheelbase class. The current class record for an altered wheelbase 250 cc non-pushrod motorcycles is 89 mph. If I can get my Ninja 250 powered chopper painted and reassembled by the end of the month, I plan to go racing. I'm about 6'3" tall and weigh 175. Options: 1) Buy a set of leathers. I haven't needed leathers before now, but if I do buy some, I'll have them for any future events. 2) Borrow a set for one weekend. This would be nice, but size and availability are probably rather limited. 3) Find a rider who wants to set a land speed record. Entry fee is $25, racing is in Southeastern North Carolina. I would prefer to ride for myself, but if you're willing to show up and pay your own entry fee, I'll provide a bike. This offer is open even if I find a set of leathers for myself. Where does one look for good used or reasonably priced new leathers? Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider. Suzuki DL1000 tow bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 9 09:47:07 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:07:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Need a set of leathers On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Leon Begeman wrote: > I need a set of racing leathers to wear on the weekend > of October 29th and 30th. The East Coast Timimg > Association (ECTA) has an altered wheelbase class. I will look in my ECTA rulebook tonight, but IIRC, you must have a 1 piece set of leathers. 2 piece with a 360 zipper, which works for track days, doesn't work there. Check www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com (list members)or www.newenough.com for good prices on leathers. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 9 15:04:05 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so speed doesn't kill, huh? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh God! I can't believe I'm posting to this thread. It's a helmet test review, that really questions the Snell standard. Very through, and has HURT accident info in it related to this god awful topic. http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/hatz/ The pain, the pain, Tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 9 15:49:55 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist Helmet article I have the original scanned in as a PDF. and Part II was published in the current edition. Haven't scanned that in yet. I have the helmet they tried to repeatedly destroy to no avail. Cost me $88. It's a perfect knock off of the HJC CL-11 with a non-SNELL liner apparently. I'm going to email HJC and encourage them to bring alternative shell-liner helmets to market. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 9 16:10:24 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist Helmet article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: > Cost > me $88. It's a > perfect knock off of the HJC CL-11 with a non-SNELL > liner apparently. I've found quality of cheaper helmets to be VERY good. Not as good as top brands, but so close it wasn't a deal breaker for me. > > I'm going to email HJC and encourage them to bring > alternative > shell-liner helmets to market. > I think I'm going to stick with Euro helmets for a while . I'm very interested in the S1. The artical - http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/hatz/ Tom de - stuck at home with the kids ... instead of riding :) 03 St1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 9 23:21:20 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Need a set of leathers To: Leon Begeman , DCCycles kneedraggers.com rents them you might look into that option. Ian --- Leon Begeman wrote: > I need a set of racing leathers to wear on the > weekend > of October 29th and 30th. The East Coast Timimg > Association (ECTA) has an altered wheelbase class. > The current class record for an altered wheelbase > 250 > cc non-pushrod motorcycles is 89 mph. If I can get > my > Ninja 250 powered chopper painted and reassembled by > the end of the month, I plan to go racing. > > I'm about 6'3" tall and weigh 175. > > Options: > 1) Buy a set of leathers. I haven't needed leathers > before now, but if I do buy some, I'll have them for > any future events. > > 2) Borrow a set for one weekend. This would be > nice, > but size and availability are probably rather > limited. > > 3) Find a rider who wants to set a land speed > record. > Entry fee is $25, racing is in Southeastern North > Carolina. I would prefer to ride for myself, but if > you're willing to show up and pay your own entry > fee, > I'll provide a bike. This offer is open even if I > find > a set of leathers for myself. > > Where does one look for good used or reasonably > priced > new leathers? > > Leon Begeman > Ninja 250 rider. > Suzuki DL1000 tow bike. > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 17:24:52 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:24:42 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? There is something seriously wrong with "professionals" in our legal system that will imprison honest citizens for non violent victimless "crime" of "excessive speed" in non pedestrian highway environments (even upon their first offense ever in life), the same as it would punish its malicious violent criminals who willfully do bodily harm. This non pedestrian highway "speeding" crime, is a crime in which the masses would prefer not be legislated a crime at the posted speeds. Are there other states that likewise execute such law with imprisonment for non violent clean record first time offenders? Is not this Virginia punishment of the honest and non violent, both cruel and unusual? Is not imprisonment without trail by jury a violation of due process? Let us not only blame the judges, but also blame the police officers for their fair share in this role of injustice. A police officer takes an oath to uphold the constitution. When a law is unconstitutional, they may rightfully and legally, abandon enforcement of that unconstitutional law. Police officers are a part of this injustice for thinking this law / punishment, as constitutional and acceptable, or ignorant not thinking about it; and blindly enforcing it without consideration of its constitutionality. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing; especially when those good men wear a badge. When you imprison an honest non violent citizen and deprive him of life liberty and happiness, have you not temporarily taken away his life? Through the guise of this poorly written and proscribed "speeding law," the Virginia legal system is murdering its citizens in bits and pieces, as well as taking a good unhealthy whack at our United States constitution. Furthermore, the fact that the VA police allowed the NJ police to get away with the same crime, is proof that deep down, they really do believe it's not right to jail "honest" people for merely speeding. It is a law that, because of its prescribed punishment, should not be on the books as written, and surely not enforced. Those that have written that law, decided punishment for jail, and enforce that specific law in it's current form, as it currently stands deserve no place in our legal system, for they do not understand the basic freedoms of man recognized in our constitution, nor do they understand the spirit and theory of law and government. And for those that disagree, ready to throw proverbial stones, with the argument of "speeding is wrong" let me first request that I get no responses from hypocrites, whose actions are almost as loud as their mouths. Do not tell us it's wrong (or dangerous) to speed, when in fact, you, as a hypocrite, speed. And also pay attention, I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be speed limits and laws, I'm arguing against the current form of the Virginia law in the books that allows for jail time (even for first time offenders) for speeding on highways in non pedestrian environments without trail by jury, and the enforcement of that unconstitutional law. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 17:32:24 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:32:17 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcyclist Helmet article I don't understand getting any HJC CL model cl 10,11,12, or clone, when the CL-14 is a much better helmet and priced under $100 brand new on ebay. IIRC, back in my cl-10, 11 days, when looking back to do head checks at highway speeds, the shield would fly up. The cl-14 does not have this problem, as wel the CL 14 has a quick and easy face change shield, as well as optional hi-def sheild, and removable check pads for washing. Much better helmet, for less than $100, and the way to go if you ask me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 17:39:35 2005 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? Content-ID: <10135.1128980373.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:39:33 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Are there other states that likewise execute such law with >imprisonment for non violent clean record first time offenders? Henh? Maybe I wasn't paying attention, did some first-time offender get jail-time for one of these? I got tagged for this in 2000, going 83 in a 55 on my vfr800 on rt 66 (or maybe I was going 800 in an 83 on a vfr66 in 1955, I was never good with numbers). Any way, I don't remember putting in any hard time wearing lipstick and peeing sitting down as my cellmate's bitch. I think I just paid a fine and went home. >Let us not only blame the judges, but also blame the police officers >for their fair share in this role of injustice. And if the whole police department is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our law enforcement institutions in general? I put it to you, isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentleman! -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 18:06:59 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:06:48 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? Cc: DCCycles I'm with you on the law and the enforcement thereof -- criminal penalties for driving above 80 mph is ridiculous, especially on I-95 and the like where the median speed is pretty darned close. I'm not with you on the slippery slope argument that the law is the worst thing to hit the U.S. since writs of attainder. Also, I don't know where you get this: > This non pedestrian highway "speeding" crime, is a crime in which the > masses would prefer not be legislated a crime at the posted speeds. > Are there other states that likewise execute such law with > imprisonment for non violent clean record first time offenders? Is > not this Virginia punishment of the honest and non violent, both cruel > and unusual? Is not imprisonment without trail by jury a violation of > due process? It is my understanding that: 1) a person can be convicted in Virginia district court (without a jury) of reckless driving because of speeding (a Class I misdemeanor), BUT, 2) under Virginia law that person has the absolute right to appeal that verdict to the circuit court, leading to a new trial before a jury. http://www.courts.state.va.us/gdc/gdc.htm http://www.courts.state.va.us/cc/circuit.htm Also, there are lots of "non-violent" crimes that can lead to jail on the first conviction, including drug offenses (if the amount is high enough), tax fraud (ditto), SEC violations (e.g., Martha Stewart), etc. And, jail itself is not "cruel and unusual punishment," or at least so says the USSC. (None of this is a legal opinion/advice. If you're in trouble, get an attorney qualified in that jurisdiction.) On a separate note, that rant was coherent, grammatically passable, used proper punctuation, and did not contain a single "lol." Did you write it? On 10/10/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > There is something seriously wrong with "professionals" in our legal > system that will imprison honest citizens for non violent victimless > "crime" of "excessive speed" in non pedestrian highway environments > (even upon their first offense ever in life), the same as it would > punish its malicious violent criminals who willfully do bodily harm. > > This non pedestrian highway "speeding" crime, is a crime in which the > masses would prefer not be legislated a crime at the posted speeds. > Are there other states that likewise execute such law with > imprisonment for non violent clean record first time offenders? Is > not this Virginia punishment of the honest and non violent, both cruel > and unusual? Is not imprisonment without trail by jury a violation of > due process? > > Let us not only blame the judges, but also blame the police officers > for their fair share in this role of injustice. A police officer > takes an oath to uphold the constitution. When a law is > unconstitutional, they may rightfully and legally, abandon enforcement > of that unconstitutional law. Police officers are a part of this > injustice for thinking this law / punishment, as constitutional and > acceptable, or ignorant not thinking about it; and blindly enforcing > it without consideration of its constitutionality. Evil triumphs when > good men do nothing; especially when those good men wear a badge. When > you imprison an honest non violent citizen and deprive him of life > liberty and happiness, have you not temporarily taken away his life? > Through the guise of this poorly written and proscribed "speeding > law," the Virginia legal system is murdering its citizens in bits and > pieces, as well as taking a good unhealthy whack at our United States > constitution. > > Furthermore, the fact that the VA police allowed the NJ police to get > away with the same crime, is proof that deep down, they really do > believe it's not right to jail "honest" people for merely speeding. It > is a law that, because of its prescribed punishment, should not be on > the books as written, and surely not enforced. > > Those that have written that law, decided punishment for jail, and > enforce that specific law in it's current form, as it currently stands > deserve no place in our legal system, for they do not understand the > basic freedoms of man recognized in our constitution, nor do they > understand the spirit and theory of law and government. > > And for those that disagree, ready to throw proverbial stones, with > the argument of "speeding is wrong" let me first request that I get no > responses from hypocrites, whose actions are almost as loud as their > mouths. Do not tell us it's wrong (or dangerous) to speed, when in > fact, you, as a hypocrite, speed. > > And also pay attention, I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be speed > limits and laws, I'm arguing against the current form of the Virginia > law in the books that allows for jail time (even for first time > offenders) for speeding on highways in non pedestrian environments > without trail by jury, and the enforcement of that unconstitutional > law. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 19:17:26 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Harry Mantakos And if the whole police department is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our law enforcement institutions in general? I put it to you, isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentleman! -harry ============== [JK] lol - Animal House ;) Ob moto content- I rode my VFR today :) John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 19:25:40 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:25:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? At 05:24 PM 10/10/2005, you wrote: rant jeezus gawd almighty. Just put the pipe down and slowly back away. No one here is going to hurt you...we promise. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 19:55:16 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Need a set of leathers To: DCCycles --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I will look in my ECTA rulebook tonight, but IIRC, > you must have a 1 piece > set of leathers. 2 piece with a 360 zipper, which > works for track days, > doesn't work there. Two piece is ok. For faster than 175 mph, the zipper must be metal. Current class record for A/G-250/4 is 88.976 mph. > Check www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com (list > members)or www.newenough.com > for good prices on leathers. Thanks, I'll check both. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 22:22:52 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:22:44 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Harry Mantakos Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? Cc: DCCycles On 10/10/05, Harry Mantakos wrote: > >Are there other states that likewise execute such law with > >imprisonment for non violent clean record first time offenders? > > Henh? Maybe I wasn't paying attention, did some first-time > offender get jail-time for one of these? Where have you been? It's a given rule (I believe at starting at 20mph over) you get a day in jail for every 1mph over the limit. I had a buddy a couple of years ago, spend 30 days in jail. What makes it worse, is that he had no criminal record, had a job, and was a college student. This is NOT the type of people we want to throw in jail, and especially not for first time offenses for non malicious victimless crimes. > I got tagged for this in 2000, going 83 in a 55 on my vfr800 > on rt 66 (or maybe I was going 800 in an 83 on a vfr66 in 1955, > I was never good with numbers). Any way, I don't remember putting > in any hard time wearing lipstick and peeing sitting down as > my cellmate's bitch. I think I just paid a fine and went home. Oh wow.. then I suppose we should just have all defendants say, "i'll have 1 of what harry had please thanks" > >Let us not only blame the judges, but also blame the police officers > >for their fair share in this role of injustice. > > And if the whole police department is guilty, then isn't this an > indictment of our law enforcement institutions in general? I put > it to you, isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? > Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I'm not going to sit > here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentleman! No. No. And No. What are you talking about? I'm talking about one specific law, in one specific state. If say, WV out laws interacial marriage, and a few cops somehow knowingly enforce that unconstitutional law, how the hell do you take that to badmouthing the U.S? Not only that, there is a difference between bad mouthing our elected politicians, or any other sorry ass gov't employee (badge or not) and badmouthing a country. If I tell you kim sung il is a piece of crap, are you going to take that I hate koreans? LOL If you don't know, I happen to the the U.S. is the best country in the world. I dont' give a crap what an human's employement is, if he's enforcing unconstitutional law/punishment, he's an ignorant ass in my book, his job title is irrellevant and doesn't make him special. Especially if he's a police officer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 22:35:13 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? To: DCCycles From what I've heard that's only Fairfax Co., and it's a day in jail for every mile over 90. Was your buddy doing 120 in FFX Co.? Still, I think the day in jail is the judges agreement, and I don't think it's written into law anywhere. 20 over, or 80 or more is the big number for reckless driving, which is where the criminal charge comes in. YMMV. (oh, and if you're going to rant, get your facts straight!) --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Where have you been? It's a given rule (I believe at > starting at 20mph > over) you get a day in jail for every 1mph over the > limit. I had a > buddy a couple of years ago, spend 30 days in jail. > What makes it > worse, is that he had no criminal record, had a job, > and was a college > student. This is NOT the type of people we want to > throw in jail, and > especially not for first time offenses for non > malicious victimless > crimes. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 23:10:38 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:10:31 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? Cc: DCCycles On 10/10/05, Aaron Maurer wrote: > I'm with you on the law and the enforcement thereof -- criminal > penalties for driving above 80 mph is ridiculous, especially on I-95 > and the like where the median speed is pretty darned close. Good. > I'm not with you on the slippery slope argument that the law is the > worst thing to hit the U.S. since writs of attainder. by "the law" you mean "this law" and not "the law" as a general concept. just wanted to be clear. Are you with me that, if we spot injustice when it comes to people's freedom, it should be nipped in the bud, before it becomes acceptable standard? Or should we say "ah well it's not that bad"? I think you do agree with me. > Also, I don't know where you get this: I'm not exactly sure which part you don't get, so i'll cover it line by line. > > > This non pedestrian highway "speeding" crime, is a crime in which the > > masses would prefer not be legislated a crime at the posted speeds. Obviously if the normal flow of traffic is above the limit, society feels the limit is too low. Almost as if voting by action. > > Are there other states that likewise execute such law with > > imprisonment for non violent clean record first time offenders? I don't think this needs to be restated, but I did mean for this specific crime of "speeding", on non pedestrian highways. > > Is > > not this Virginia punishment of the honest and non violent, both cruel > > and unusual? I say depriving someone of life liberty and happiness for non violent, victimless crimes is cruel, and I say that is unusual in that other jurisdictions do not dish out that type of jail time of a day for every MPH over the limit. > > Is not imprisonment without trail by jury a violation of > > due process? > > It is my understanding that: > > 1) a person can be convicted in Virginia district court (without a > jury) of reckless driving because of speeding (a Class I misdemeanor), > > BUT, > > 2) under Virginia law that person has the absolute right to appeal > that verdict to the circuit court, leading to a new trial before a > jury. And I retort the constitution is the sepreme law of the land and thus va law is unjust, and that citizens have a right to trial by jury for criminal offenses under the 6th amendment. A right to trail by jury, not retrial by jury. Do you, or do no not, regardless as to what VA proscribes as law, personally consider it a violation of due process clause of the 6th amendment, to convict someone to jail without the option of trial by jury? > Also, there are lots of "non-violent" crimes that can lead to jail on > the first conviction, including drug offenses (if the amount is high > enough), tax fraud (ditto), SEC violations (e.g., Martha Stewart), > etc. Not that I'm a liberal or anything (because believe me oh boy i'm not) but I think tha'ts wrong too. Prisons are over crowded and we let violent repeat offenders out of jail after having serving a fraction of their sentence. Some end up continuing violent crimes such as rape, attempted murder and murder. Is it unreasonable that we reserve jail time+space, the denial of freedom, to violent offenders so they can serve their full sentence? (with the exception of those who refuse to comply with nonviolent punishments). I mean do non violent offenders really need to be "kept away from society" as a punishment. Would not a huge fine, long probation, and lots of community service be good punishment? Would not martha have learned her lesson having to clean up the highway for a year or two in addition to having been fined 10 times the amount of money that was involved in the scandal? > And, jail itself is not "cruel and unusual punishment," or at least so > says the USSC. Would you like to go to jail for speeding? do you think it would be acceptable, or cruel? Do you think this is a usual occurance in other states? Do you think it's okay to just interupt peoples lives for the crime of speeding? > (None of this is a legal opinion/advice. If you're in trouble, get an > attorney qualified in that jurisdiction.) Isn't "get an attorney" legal advise? :) > On a separate note, that rant was coherent, grammatically passable, > used proper punctuation, and did not contain a single "lol." Did you > write it? Fuck you LOL :) 'My dad helped me with my homework'. No. I wrote it. Let it be evidense' that if I usually don't give a flying fugg about anyone who would rather judge me or the email by the writing skills or lack there of, and I would be more interested in those actually smart enough to focus on the ideas expressed, without predjudice of how it was written. Those who judge others based on what they percieve to be lack of education, only make a case for themselve being an ass. If someone is deprived of the better educational oppertunities, being an ass isn't the proper response. In fact it's rather insensative and shows a lack of understanding. We all didn't have the luxury of non violent, caring, persistent, attentive education by qualified educators. Education doesn't mean you can't be an educated fool, and being uneducated doens't mean you're not naturally intelligent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 23:14:54 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:14:48 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? Cc: dc-cycles Don't make promises you can't keep. Everyone should have a pipe. I think you and I have different types of pipe. While you may smoke crack in yours, My pipe is used to add leverage to tools, sometimes known as a cheater bar. If my posts are some sort of bother to you, why read or respond? That's a pretty fuggin idiotic thing to do. If it hurts to flap your arm like a chicken, dont' flap your arm like a chicken, stupid. On 10/10/05, Aki Damme wrote: > At 05:24 PM 10/10/2005, you wrote: > > rant > > jeezus gawd almighty. Just put the pipe down and slowly back > away. No one here is going to hurt you...we promise. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 10 23:25:31 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:25:25 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? Cc: DCCycles On 10/10/05, Brian Ray wrote: > From what I've heard that's only Fairfax Co., and it's > a day in jail for every mile over 90. Was your buddy I would wager that it's more than just fairfax. I'm sure people are getting their ass thrown in the slammer in other jurisdictions as well. I seem to recall posts on other message boards people talking about judges giving jail time to speeders, while they were in court for their own ticket(s). > doing 120 in FFX Co.? Still, I think the day in jail > is the judges agreement, and I don't think it's > written into law anywhere. Well should not punishments be limited to what's written in the books? As far as his speed, probably. He was on 95 south. > 20 over, or 80 or more is the big number for reckless > driving, which is where the criminal charge comes in. > > > YMMV. > > (oh, and if you're going to rant, get your facts > straight!) Well fuck me! Is this not a discussion group? Should we not present ideas, and discuss them, and get input and correction? Are you ever factually wrong? Do you even know for a fact it's only fairfax? I don't think so. So maybe you should first adhere ot your own advice before recommending it. Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 08:31:41 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:31:30 -0400 From: smthng else To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? On 10/10/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Where have you been? It's a given rule (I believe at starting at 20mph > over) you get a day in jail for every 1mph over the limit. I had a > buddy a couple of years ago, spend 30 days in jail. What makes it > worse, is that he had no criminal record, had a job, and was a college > student. This is NOT the type of people we want to throw in jail, and > especially not for first time offenses for non malicious victimless > crimes. This must be a reasonably new law then, or some officers are more "human" than others. Six years ago, I got nailed for 153 in a 65 (I think it was 65 at the time - the HOV lanes on 395). I pulled over the moment I saw the lights. I was on a Seca II and was amazed it would do 153, even with the mods (downhill with a tailwind)... there was NO way I was getting any more out of it so the thought of running was a total waste. I was cooperative, the cop was polite, didn't tow the bike, didn't cart me off to jail and all was pretty good considering what an idiot I was in the first place (all charges dropped in court due to a paperwork mess-up - someone was watching out for me that day). So, if this is something new... don't do those kinds of speeds. If it's been on the books for a while, I'd be willing to guess that the offender's attitude probably has a lot to do with any potential jail time. A jerk with a clean record can easily end up in jail, while a polite miscreant can walk. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng - Standing up for the polite miscreant in all of us! http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 09:06:16 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? To: DCCycles Totally agree with you. Some people just ask for trouble, yet have no idea why life "treats them so bad." LOTS and LOTS of people make their lives way more difficult than it needs to be. We're all guilty of it from time to time, but some people never seem to grasp the basics... - Jimmy --- smthng else wrote: If it's been on the books for a while, I'd be willing to guess that the offender's attitude probably has a lot to do with any potential jail time. A jerk with a clean record can easily end up in jail, while a polite miscreant can walk. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 09:08:21 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:08:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? ... Six years ago, I got nailed for 153 in a 65 (I think it was 65 at the time - the HOV lanes on 395). ...I was cooperative, the cop was polite, didn't tow the bike, didn't cart me off to jail and all was pretty good considering what an idiot I was in the first place (all charges dropped in court due to a paperwork mess-up - someone was watching out for me that day). If it's been on the books for a while, I'd be willing to guess that the offender's attitude probably has a lot to do with any potential jail time. A jerk with a clean record can easily end up in jail, while a polite miscreant can walk. [Dave] http://www.courts.state.va.us/search/textopinions.html Search on "unlawful arrest". There's a wealth of information available on the goings on in Virginia. For misdemeanors, you would generally be given a citation / summons to appear unless you have given the arrestor reason to take you into custody. In VA, Speeding 20 + MPH over the posted speed limit ( I think 35 mph posting might be slightly different, but someone else can post that hyperlink ) is considered beyond a normal traffic offense at the class 1 misdemeanor of Reckless Driving. I believe that you may receive a maximum of 1 year(?) for a class 1 ( anybody? Bueller? ) misdemeanor. The law has been in effect for some time and is not new. There have been instances of jail time being handed out for 'over 90'. I know someone personally who was facing felony reckless driving here. He had not one, but 2 prior RD convictions and got stopped, in Fairfax for 95 exiting route 50 on to the Beltway. He got a lawyer, and the lawyer managed to keep him out of jail, for a small donation to the county coffers, and the promise of not soiling the roadways with his presence for a short period of time, at the end of which, the conviction would be expunged. Not too shabby. If you point your browser over to http://leg1.state.va.us you can search the traffic code, and all other code. You'll find that if you screw up here, and injure or kill someone, you'll be going to jail with other scum arrested that day - see 46-2.868. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 10:09:43 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] hyperlites i'm beginning to winterize* the bike and am also looking to add some safety mods. one thing on my list is additional brake lighting or similar for the rear. i'm thinking about the LED hyper lights http://www.hyperlites.com/ . much of my commute has me in slow traffic where i'll be on and off the brakes a lot, so i don't want something that will annoy motorists around me, but i do want something that is actually noticeable. i've seen these in action and think they'll do the trick of adding additional lighting without the annoyance of the super bright or spastic lights. does anyone have these or have thoughts on them? do they annoy anyone? * winterize = make better for winter riding (taller windscreen, handguards, heated grips, aux lighting...) - Jimmy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 10:26:36 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:24:34 -0400 To: you@XXXXXX, DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? At 08:31 AM 10/11/2005 -0400, smthng else wrote: >jail time. A jerk with a clean record can easily end up in jail, >while a polite miscreant can walk. You can also end up in jail if you can't pay the fine too. Back when I was first getting my license, my dad insisted that I sit through a morning of traffic court to see what could happen if I didn't obey the law. He'd planned on my seeing Judge Hitchings (this was in Norfolk, and Judge Hitchings was called "the hanging judge" due to the really stiff penalties he handed out), but that day he was out and Judge Valentine was sitting...and he was a cream puff. Still, there was one guy who'd been ticketed on a bike for doing 45 in a 25 zone...for 6 blocks *after* the cop started chasing him. His excuse? He was "clearing the carbon out of his engine". Had this been Hitchings, the guy would have done jail time for sure and probably lost his license for a year, but Valentine gave him "$30 or 10 days". The guy didn't have the $30 on him, so off he went to a cell. Got to hear all sorts of stories that morning. The guy who had a rack of 6 seats fall out of the back of his pickup and get hit by the cars following him (it belonged to the shipyard). He got a dismissal of the "operating an unsafe vehicle" ticket and a warning to his boss to have the seats welded into the truck immediately. The guy who had been brought in on a bench warrant for a prior ticket that he failed to show up for...he got an "original fine and court costs" since his excuse was a good one: his ship had gone to sea (others brought in the same way had $45 added to their fines and could just pay them and leave if they so chose). All of these folks were really lucky Hitchings was out that day... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 10:31:32 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:31:21 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "James O'Connor" Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites James O'Connor wrote: >i'm beginning to winterize* the bike and am also looking to add some >safety mods. one thing on my list is additional brake lighting or >similar for the rear. i'm thinking about the LED hyper lights >http://www.hyperlites.com/ . much of my commute has me in slow >traffic where i'll be on and off the brakes a lot, so i don't want >something that will annoy motorists around me, but i do want >something that is actually noticeable. i've seen these in action and >think they'll do the trick of adding additional lighting without the >annoyance of the super bright or spastic lights. > > The hyperlites are adjustable, to turn down the annoyance a bit. The less annoying mode is flash for 5 secs and solid afterward. >does anyone have these or have thoughts on them? do they annoy >anyone? > > They annoy me, but lots of guys like 'em. Depending on you bike, you could get LED bulbs. Gives you brightness without the flashy flash >* winterize = make better for winter riding (taller windscreen, >handguards, heated grips, aux lighting...) > >- Jimmy > > > > Visablity is always good. Tom de st1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 10:37:38 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:37:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites To: "James O'Connor" , DCCycles I got a "back off" brake light modulator a couple months ago. It flashes three times and then goes solid for a few seconds when the brakes are applied. It was pretty inexpensive, and increases my visibility quite a bit. I got it from these guys: http://www.customdynamics.com/signal_dynamics_back_off_brake_light_modulator.htm. I put my order in and they shipped it via UPS the same day. --- James O'Connor wrote: > i'm beginning to winterize* the bike and am also > looking to add some > safety mods. one thing on my list is additional > brake lighting or > similar for the rear. i'm thinking about the LED > hyper lights > http://www.hyperlites.com/ . much of my commute has > me in slow > traffic where i'll be on and off the brakes a lot, > so i don't want > something that will annoy motorists around me, but i > do want > something that is actually noticeable. i've seen > these in action and > think they'll do the trick of adding additional > lighting without the > annoyance of the super bright or spastic lights. > > does anyone have these or have thoughts on them? do > they annoy > anyone? > > * winterize = make better for winter riding (taller > windscreen, > handguards, heated grips, aux lighting...) > > - Jimmy > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 10:50:40 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:50:31 -0400 From: smthng else To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites On 10/11/05, James O'Connor wrote: > i'm beginning to winterize* the bike and am also looking to add some > safety mods. one thing on my list is additional brake lighting or > similar for the rear. i'm thinking about the LED hyper lights > http://www.hyperlites.com/ . much of my commute has me in slow > traffic where i'll be on and off the brakes a lot, so i don't want > something that will annoy motorists around me, but i do want > something that is actually noticeable. i've seen these in action and > think they'll do the trick of adding additional lighting without the > annoyance of the super bright or spastic lights. I've got a pair on my ride and love them. While cagers haven't commented on them to me, several other riders have seen them and mentioned how well they work. No one's bitched about it, but to be honest, I'd rather be seen by an irritated driver than not be seen by a happy one. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 11:26:28 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:46:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, James O'Connor wrote: > i'm beginning to winterize* the bike and am also looking to add some > safety mods. one thing on my list is additional brake lighting or > similar for the rear. i'm thinking about the LED hyper lights > http://www.hyperlites.com/ . much of my commute has me in slow > traffic where i'll be on and off the brakes a lot, so i don't want > something that will annoy motorists around me, but i do want > something that is actually noticeable. i've seen these in action and > think they'll do the trick of adding additional lighting without the > annoyance of the super bright or spastic lights. They look like a nice addition, IMO. I recently put on a Clear Alternatives LED taillight and it greatly increases rear visibility, particularly at night. I tried snapping some pics, but the camera doesn't pick up the LEDs very well... http://www.blueblackbusa.org/temp/ca-01.jpg http://www.blueblackbusa.org/temp/ca-02.jpg I'm of the opinion that annoying is ok, if it keeps someone from running over you :-) Thanks for the link to the hyperlites, I'll have to check them out. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 11:32:44 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:32:37 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? Cc: DCCycles On 10/11/05, smthng else wrote: Sounds like a good cop! The guy who got the jail time was a quiet type. Probably factors such as "he was on a sportbike" and "from DC" maybe the judge wanted to teach them "dc bikers" or some such a lesson. I mean we all have done stupid stuff that given the specific circumstance didn't put others in harms way, I don't think we should jail people for that. I think we should reserve the expensive prison system for the violent offenders that we actually do need to keep away from society so they can serve out their full sentence... Jail should be for those repeat dangerous offenders, and those who fail to comply with thier otherwise punishments. not people who got gas happy on empty straight aways on 95. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 11:42:28 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:42:21 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: DCCycles You might as well get both the hyperlights and backoff. Better to spend the money and have them and not need them, than need them and not have therm. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 11:46:37 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? To: DC Cycles --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > doing 120 in FFX Co.? Still, I think the day in > jail > > is the judges agreement, and I don't think it's > > written into law anywhere. > > Well should not punishments be limited to what's > written in the books? > Well, since reckless driving (more than 80) allows up to a year in jail, the 1 day per mph over 90 is covered by that law. > > (oh, and if you're going to rant, get your facts > > straight!) > > Well fuck me! Is this not a discussion group? > Should we not present > ideas, and discuss them, and get input and > correction? Are you ever > factually wrong? Do you even know for a fact it's > only fairfax? I > don't think so. So maybe you should first adhere ot > your own advice > before recommending it. Thanks > It was a joke, danny. A joke. The fact that I was asking for facts in a rant, then an exclamation point, should have been a dead giveaway. I guess I'll have to resort to and other emoticons since you don't seem to be able to function without them From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 11:47:38 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:47:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: DCCycles Oh and I have seen bikes with the back off light. It does get your attention more that "hey that bike in front is slowing down.. i should slow down too" it looks like he's trying to alert you that something is going on ahead. It's pretty good. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 12:08:16 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:08:08 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: DCCycles On 10/11/05, James O'Connor wrote: > i'm beginning to winterize* the bike and am also looking to add some > safety mods. one thing on my list is additional brake lighting or > similar for the rear. i'm thinking about the LED hyper lights > http://www.hyperlites.com/ . .... > > does anyone have these or have thoughts on them? do they annoy > anyone? > > * winterize = make better for winter riding (taller windscreen, > handguards, heated grips, aux lighting...) > > - Jimmy > I've got the Hyperlights on the VFR, added after an idiot cager mistook me and my bike for a speed bump back in the summer of '03. They seem to work, if absence proves anything; I haven't been "bumped" from behind since. I've got 'em set on the flash for five seconds, then solid. (I thought the constant flashing was a little too migraine-inducing for someone behind me in stop'n'go traffic.) I'll probably get a set for the KLR commute-mule, too, since we're heading into dark commuting hours. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR <, "James O'Connor" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: DCCycles At 10:31 AM 10/11/2005 -0400, De Boeser, Tom wrote: >They annoy me, but lots of guys like 'em. Depending on you bike, you >could get LED bulbs. Gives you brightness without the flashy flash Yeah, and if you want flash, just use the brake lever to flash them. When stopped this is trivial, and when moving, just requires a little pre-planning. If you don't have time for pre-planning, it's likely there's enough other stuff going on to wake up anyone behind you anyway. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 12:50:51 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites To: "Mike B." , "De Boeser, Tom" Cc: DCCycles "pumping" the brakes to flash the brake light doesn't work very well in an emergency/hard stop - which is most when I want motorists behind me to know I'm there. I'm not worried about stoplights, that is why my bike has mirrors and that is why I very rarely ever go into neutral when stopped. I'm worried about the daily, slam on the brakes - full speed ahead - slam on the brakes traffic that plants a bullseye on the back of my bike. "If you don't have time for pre-planning, it's likely there's enough other stuff going on to wake up anyone behind you anyway." If I, a very alert and deliberate motorcyclist, don't have time for preplanning, then I GUARANTEE you the person in the cage behind me has even less. I always assume I'm the only one paying attention when I ride - has saved me a few times recently. - Jimmy --- "Mike B." wrote: Yeah, and if you want flash, just use the brake lever to flash them. When stopped this is trivial, and when moving, just requires a little pre-planning. If you don't have time for pre-planning, it's likely there's enough other stuff going on to wake up anyone behind you anyway. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 13:26:20 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:26:11 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: "James O'Connor" , DCCycles Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem to care. But they see me. One gentleman took severe umbrage at the modulators and actually exited his vehicle. He saw my Kimber, thought better of his intended course of action, and drove off. Can't have too much protection. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 13:52:25 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites To: Michael Jordan , "De Boeser, Tom" Cc: "James O'Connor" , DCCycles modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of those. i wouldn't enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind me...though i can't say i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it causing tension if i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights up front, but they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd wager that most cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that erodes their image of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid annoying cagers anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, HOVing self already does :) - Jimmy --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. > > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem to care. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 14:04:55 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites To: DCcycles Hey Wayne, Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on here is looking to steal your shit but just in case there is some troller that is following these threads then you might want to take care of that. Just a thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought about these as well but I haven't found myself in need of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read want, to do first. Ian --- James O'Connor wrote: > modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of > those. i wouldn't > enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind > me...though i can't say > i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it > causing tension if > i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights > up front, but > they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd > wager that most > cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that > erodes their image > of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid > annoying cagers > anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, > HOVing self > already does :) > > - Jimmy > > --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. > > > > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem > to care. > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 14:46:11 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:46:04 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: DCCycles On 10/11/05, James O'Connor wrote: > "pumping" the brakes to flash the brake light doesn't work very well > in an emergency/hard stop ..... > > - Jimmy > You can see my Hyperlites in this photo, posted last month. http://tinyurl.com/7sql8 --or-- http://home.earthlink.net/~paulwilsonarchitect/45mpg_edited.jpg The Hyperlites are on both sides of the license plate light. I can take some of them "in action" tonight when I get home, if anyone cares. Or maybe I'll disconnect them and try "pumping" my brakes during maximum brake application and see how well that works out..... ;-) I do "click" the brake lever for a "wake up" call for the somnolent cagers in my wake, but that's only enough to activate the switch, not bleed off any speed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:25:07 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "DCcycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:24:06 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the road showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely to look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Schmidt" To: "DCcycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > Hey Wayne, > Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout > your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on > here is looking to steal your shit but just in case > there is some troller that is following these threads > then you might want to take care of that. Just a > thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought > about these as well but I haven't found myself in need > of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read > want, to do first. > > > Ian > > --- James O'Connor wrote: > >> modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of >> those. i wouldn't >> enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind >> me...though i can't say >> i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it >> causing tension if >> i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights >> up front, but >> they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd >> wager that most >> cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that >> erodes their image >> of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid >> annoying cagers >> anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, >> HOVing self >> already does :) >> >> - Jimmy >> >> --- Michael Jordan wrote: >> >> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. >> > >> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem >> to care. >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited >> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > 10/10/2005 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:27:39 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: DCcycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:27:26 -0400 I think the intent is for the bike thieves more then the road rage psychos. Art Silver NIH/NIGMS/ASB 45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 Bethesda, MD 20892 301-594-1747 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the road showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely to look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Schmidt" To: "DCcycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > Hey Wayne, > Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout > your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on > here is looking to steal your shit but just in case > there is some troller that is following these threads > then you might want to take care of that. Just a > thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought > about these as well but I haven't found myself in need > of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read > want, to do first. > > > Ian > > --- James O'Connor wrote: > >> modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of >> those. i wouldn't >> enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind >> me...though i can't say >> i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it >> causing tension if >> i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights >> up front, but >> they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd >> wager that most >> cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that >> erodes their image >> of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid >> annoying cagers >> anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, >> HOVing self >> already does :) >> >> - Jimmy >> >> --- Michael Jordan wrote: >> >> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. >> > >> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem >> to care. >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited >> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > 10/10/2005 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:33:36 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: Silvera@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:33:28 -0400 Exactly! I seem to recall something a couple of years ago about some concern over bike thieves trolling another DC list. Sport Bike Riders? Or something. Maybe Danny remembers... Perry (always obscures his license plate when posting a pic on the Internet!) >From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" >To: DCcycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:27:26 -0400 > >I think the intent is for the bike thieves more then the road rage psychos. > >Art Silver >NIH/NIGMS/ASB >45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 >Bethesda, MD 20892 >301-594-1747 >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:24 PM >To: DCcycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > >That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the >road > >showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely >to > >look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ian Schmidt" >To: "DCcycles" >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:04 PM >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > > > Hey Wayne, > > Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout > > your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on > > here is looking to steal your shit but just in case > > there is some troller that is following these threads > > then you might want to take care of that. Just a > > thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought > > about these as well but I haven't found myself in need > > of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read > > want, to do first. > > > > > > Ian > > > > --- James O'Connor wrote: > > > >> modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of > >> those. i wouldn't > >> enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind > >> me...though i can't say > >> i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it > >> causing tension if > >> i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights > >> up front, but > >> they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd > >> wager that most > >> cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that > >> erodes their image > >> of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid > >> annoying cagers > >> anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, > >> HOVing self > >> already does :) > >> > >> - Jimmy > >> > >> --- Michael Jordan wrote: > >> > >> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. > >> > > >> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem > >> to care. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited > >> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > >> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > > 10/10/2005 > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:33:45 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: Silvera@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:33:37 -0400 Exactly! I seem to recall something a couple of years ago about some concern over bike thieves trolling another DC list. Sport Bike Riders? Or something. Maybe Danny remembers... Perry (always obscures his license plate when posting a pic on the Internet!) >From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" >To: DCcycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:27:26 -0400 > >I think the intent is for the bike thieves more then the road rage psychos. > >Art Silver >NIH/NIGMS/ASB >45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 >Bethesda, MD 20892 >301-594-1747 >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:24 PM >To: DCcycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > >That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the >road > >showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely >to > >look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ian Schmidt" >To: "DCcycles" >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:04 PM >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > > > Hey Wayne, > > Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout > > your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on > > here is looking to steal your shit but just in case > > there is some troller that is following these threads > > then you might want to take care of that. Just a > > thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought > > about these as well but I haven't found myself in need > > of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read > > want, to do first. > > > > > > Ian > > > > --- James O'Connor wrote: > > > >> modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of > >> those. i wouldn't > >> enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind > >> me...though i can't say > >> i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it > >> causing tension if > >> i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights > >> up front, but > >> they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd > >> wager that most > >> cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that > >> erodes their image > >> of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid > >> annoying cagers > >> anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, > >> HOVing self > >> already does :) > >> > >> - Jimmy > >> > >> --- Michael Jordan wrote: > >> > >> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. > >> > > >> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem > >> to care. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited > >> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > >> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > > 10/10/2005 > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:36:37 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "DCcycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:35:49 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Whatever. How are they going to get any info just knowing your license plate? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "DCcycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >I think the intent is for the bike thieves more then the road rage psychos. > > Art Silver > NIH/NIGMS/ASB > 45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 > Bethesda, MD 20892 > 301-594-1747 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:24 PM > To: DCcycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the > road > > showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely > to > > look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Schmidt" > To: "DCcycles" > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > >> Hey Wayne, >> Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout >> your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on >> here is looking to steal your shit but just in case >> there is some troller that is following these threads >> then you might want to take care of that. Just a >> thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought >> about these as well but I haven't found myself in need >> of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read >> want, to do first. >> >> >> Ian >> >> --- James O'Connor wrote: >> >>> modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of >>> those. i wouldn't >>> enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind >>> me...though i can't say >>> i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it >>> causing tension if >>> i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights >>> up front, but >>> they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd >>> wager that most >>> cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that >>> erodes their image >>> of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid >>> annoying cagers >>> anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, >>> HOVing self >>> already does :) >>> >>> - Jimmy >>> >>> --- Michael Jordan wrote: >>> >>> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. >>> > >>> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem >>> to care. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Yahoo! Music Unlimited >>> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >>> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > 10/10/2005 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:43:37 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: DCcycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:43:23 -0400 Good question. I would be willing to bet that if there is a way a thief would find it. I have heard of some really creative ways folks try to steal bikes from a fellow rider who worked auto/mc theft squad in SE DC. Anything from stolen vans to just rolling it down the street with a dolly under the locked wheel. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Whatever. How are they going to get any info just knowing your license plate? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "DCcycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >I think the intent is for the bike thieves more then the road rage psychos. > > Art Silver > NIH/NIGMS/ASB > 45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 > Bethesda, MD 20892 > 301-594-1747 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:24 PM > To: DCcycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the > road > > showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely > to > > look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Schmidt" > To: "DCcycles" > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > >> Hey Wayne, >> Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout >> your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on >> here is looking to steal your shit but just in case >> there is some troller that is following these threads >> then you might want to take care of that. Just a >> thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought >> about these as well but I haven't found myself in need >> of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read >> want, to do first. >> >> >> Ian >> >> --- James O'Connor wrote: >> >>> modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of >>> those. i wouldn't >>> enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind >>> me...though i can't say >>> i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it >>> causing tension if >>> i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights >>> up front, but >>> they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd >>> wager that most >>> cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that >>> erodes their image >>> of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid >>> annoying cagers >>> anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, >>> HOVing self >>> already does :) >>> >>> - Jimmy >>> >>> --- Michael Jordan wrote: >>> >>> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. >>> > >>> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem >>> to care. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Yahoo! Music Unlimited >>> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >>> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > 10/10/2005 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:45:03 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Perry Coleman wrote: > Exactly! > > I seem to recall something a couple of years ago about some concern over > bike thieves trolling another DC list. Sport Bike Riders? Or something. > Maybe Danny remembers... > > Perry > (always obscures his license plate when posting a pic on the Internet!) How is this any different than sitting around the parking lot at B&N or ??? It seems that the only way this would be effective (obscuring your plates in pictures) is to remove your plates when you arrive at every destination. Otherwise, you can run into the same problem. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:49:28 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "DCcycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:49:03 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX If they want your shit bad enough, they're going to take it. Locks, chains, cables, garages, or whited out license plate pictures on the internet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "DCcycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > Good question. I would be willing to bet that if there is a way a thief > would find it. I have heard of some really creative ways folks try to > steal > bikes from a fellow rider who worked auto/mc theft squad in SE DC. > Anything > from stolen vans to just rolling it down the street with a dolly under the > locked wheel. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:36 PM > To: DCcycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > Whatever. How are they going to get any info just knowing your license > plate? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > To: "DCcycles" > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:27 PM > Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > >>I think the intent is for the bike thieves more then the road rage >>psychos. >> >> Art Silver >> NIH/NIGMS/ASB >> 45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 >> Bethesda, MD 20892 >> 301-594-1747 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:24 PM >> To: DCcycles >> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >> >> That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the >> road >> >> showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely >> to >> >> look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ian Schmidt" >> To: "DCcycles" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >> >> >>> Hey Wayne, >>> Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout >>> your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on >>> here is looking to steal your shit but just in case >>> there is some troller that is following these threads >>> then you might want to take care of that. Just a >>> thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought >>> about these as well but I haven't found myself in need >>> of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read >>> want, to do first. >>> >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> --- James O'Connor wrote: >>> >>>> modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of >>>> those. i wouldn't >>>> enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind >>>> me...though i can't say >>>> i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it >>>> causing tension if >>>> i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights >>>> up front, but >>>> they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd >>>> wager that most >>>> cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that >>>> erodes their image >>>> of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid >>>> annoying cagers >>>> anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, >>>> HOVing self >>>> already does :) >>>> >>>> - Jimmy >>>> >>>> --- Michael Jordan wrote: >>>> >>>> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. >>>> > >>>> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem >>>> to care. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Yahoo! Music Unlimited >>>> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >>>> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: >>> 10/10/2005 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > 10/10/2005 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 15:50:04 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:49:47 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX +1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Subject: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) > On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Perry Coleman wrote: > >> Exactly! >> >> I seem to recall something a couple of years ago about some concern over >> bike thieves trolling another DC list. Sport Bike Riders? Or something. >> Maybe Danny remembers... >> >> Perry >> (always obscures his license plate when posting a pic on the Internet!) > > How is this any different than sitting around the parking lot at B&N or > ??? It seems that the only way this would be effective (obscuring your > plates in pictures) is to remove your plates when you arrive at every > destination. Otherwise, you can run into the same problem. > > -- Wayne > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > 10/10/2005 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 16:02:39 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:02:33 -0400 Because the Internet is forever! Once a picture, etc. hits the wire, it can be searched, saved, whatever. Otherwise, you are just dealing with random chance. Sure, someone can take a liking to your bike while it's parked somewhere and use the tag to get your address and arrange to steal it. But if it's out there on the 'net a lot more people can see it - whenever they want. Perry (The question isn't "Am I paranoid?" it is "Am I paranoid enough?") >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) > >On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > Exactly! > > > > I seem to recall something a couple of years ago about some concern over > > bike thieves trolling another DC list. Sport Bike Riders? Or something. > > Maybe Danny remembers... > > > > Perry > > (always obscures his license plate when posting a pic on the Internet!) > >How is this any different than sitting around the parking lot at B&N or >??? It seems that the only way this would be effective (obscuring your >plates in pictures) is to remove your plates when you arrive at every >destination. Otherwise, you can run into the same problem. > >-- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 16:04:43 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:04:34 -0400 I agree. So, it is up to us to make it as hard for them as possible. Let some other unwary scmuck get ripped off... Perry (Likes a silent alarm backed up by .357 magnum, personally) >From: "Bruce N" >To: "DCcycles" >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:49:03 -0400 > >If they want your shit bad enough, they're going to take it. Locks, chains, >cables, garages, or whited out license plate pictures on the internet. > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > >To: "DCcycles" >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:43 PM >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > >>Good question. I would be willing to bet that if there is a way a thief >>would find it. I have heard of some really creative ways folks try to >>steal >>bikes from a fellow rider who worked auto/mc theft squad in SE DC. >>Anything >>from stolen vans to just rolling it down the street with a dolly under the >>locked wheel. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:36 PM >>To: DCcycles >>Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >> >>Whatever. How are they going to get any info just knowing your license >>plate? >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" >> >>To: "DCcycles" >>Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:27 PM >>Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >> >> >>>I think the intent is for the bike thieves more then the road rage >>>psychos. >>> >>>Art Silver >>>NIH/NIGMS/ASB >>>45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 >>>Bethesda, MD 20892 >>>301-594-1747 >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:24 PM >>>To: DCcycles >>>Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >>> >>>That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the >>>road >>> >>>showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely >>>to >>> >>>look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Schmidt" >>>To: "DCcycles" >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:04 PM >>>Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >>> >>> >>>>Hey Wayne, >>>> Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout >>>>your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on >>>>here is looking to steal your shit but just in case >>>>there is some troller that is following these threads >>>>then you might want to take care of that. Just a >>>>thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought >>>>about these as well but I haven't found myself in need >>>>of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read >>>>want, to do first. >>>> >>>> >>>>Ian >>>> >>>>--- James O'Connor wrote: >>>> >>>>>modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of >>>>>those. i wouldn't >>>>>enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind >>>>>me...though i can't say >>>>>i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it >>>>>causing tension if >>>>>i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights >>>>>up front, but >>>>>they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd >>>>>wager that most >>>>>cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that >>>>>erodes their image >>>>>of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid >>>>>annoying cagers >>>>>anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, >>>>>HOVing self >>>>>already does :) >>>>> >>>>>- Jimmy >>>>> >>>>>--- Michael Jordan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. >>>>> > >>>>> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem >>>>>to care. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________ >>>>>Yahoo! Music Unlimited >>>>>Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >>>>>http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________________________________ >>>>Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >>>>http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: >>>>10/10/2005 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: >>>10/10/2005 >>> >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: >>10/10/2005 >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 16:26:28 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Perry Coleman wrote: > Because the Internet is forever! Once a picture, etc. hits the wire, it can > be searched, saved, whatever. Otherwise, you are just dealing with random > chance. Sure, someone can take a liking to your bike while it's parked > somewhere and use the tag to get your address and arrange to steal it. But > if it's out there on the 'net a lot more people can see it - whenever they > want. > > Perry > (The question isn't "Am I paranoid?" it is "Am I paranoid enough?") The people on the list who park their bikes at work every day are more at risk of theft than my bike, even if I had a big banner on it listing my address and directions to my house in every picture I have ever posted :-) I live in a secluded area, with proper :-) precautions taken WRT security for my belongings and family. I also work from home, which means I am home most of the time. I'd worry more about my cars/bike if I had to park in a public place every day. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 16:43:44 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:41:42 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] List RSS Feed With Harry's permission, I have set up a RSS feed of the list. You can add it to your favorite RSS reader with the following URL: http://www.dccycles.com/dccycles.rss It contains (up to) the latest 15 posts by subject, updates every hour and does not display your name or email address. However, the archive does contain your name and partial email address, obscured with XXXXX. I use My Yahoo! for RSS feeds, but I don't think it updates very frequently. It is still displaying the test feed I set up originally. Other feeders work normally so far. Questions or comments, drop me a line off list. I rode the SV in today - first rain this bike has probably ever seen. The front end is a bit funky - hoping new rubber will settle it down. Apparently my decade old rain pants have developed a tear, since I showed up to work with a wet ass. And I don't mean to say that Gimer was behind me. :-o You are still on the list aren't you Tom? Hiding in the shadows? -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 16:57:14 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:57:05 -0400 Bruce asked: >Whatever. How are they going to get any info just knowing your license >plate? Wayne responded: >How is this any different than sitting around the parking lot at B&N or >??? It seems that the only way this would be effective (obscuring your >plates in pictures) is to remove your plates when you arrive at every >destination. Otherwise, you can run into the same problem. Are you guys serious? Have you stopped to think about this at all? The one MAJOR difference between this and the "parking lot scenario", is that in this case Wayne posted with his real name. Based on the information contained in one email, I now know (among other more specific details) that there's a white mercedes, a corvette, and a Hayabusa in Ijamsville, Maryland. I haven't even *touched* google yet (among other information gathering tools that are widely and easily accessed.) Someday people are going to learn that information security is every bit as important (if not more) than physical security . . . - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:02:23 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:02:17 -0400 Sorry for not placing this in my previous email (cut & paste issues today.) >From: "Bruce N" >If they want your shit bad enough, they're going to take it. Locks, chains, >cables, garages, or whited out license plate pictures on the internet. What's the point being made here? That we shouldn't bother with protecting our belongings at all? Can you come up with even ONE reasonable argument against taking every precaution to protect your property/life/security/etc? - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:14:12 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Sean Jordan wrote: > Are you guys serious? Have you stopped to think about this at all? Is that a rhetorical question? :-) > The one MAJOR difference between this and the "parking lot scenario", is > that in this case Wayne posted with his real name. And another MAJOR diference is that someone could easily follow you home or other places in the parking lot scenario. > Based on the information contained in one email, I now know (among other > more specific details) that there's a white mercedes, a corvette, and a > Hayabusa in Ijamsville, Maryland. That would be crazy if someone in Ijamsville had cars just like mine!!!!! (I don't live in Ijamsville) :-) > I haven't even *touched* google yet (among other information gathering tools > that are widely and easily accessed.) Google would return a lot of pictures of my cars, along with uncovered plates ;-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:15:17 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:15:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) From: "Kelly Norton" I'm honestly trying to figure out how putting your license tag up on the web is a security problem. ok, from a picture on the web I know your your type of bike, color, mod etc and your license plate number. From the list I know your name and possibly where you live. Now what do I do with this information? What does having the license plate number do for me? I can verify that it's your bike that I'm stealing? Somehow I can get your specific address from the tag number? Where do I put in a tag number and get information? I can probably get your address by doing a google search on your name. So I could have gotten that without the license plate info. Maybe I want to create a fake license plate and use a license plate number that would match the vehicle that the fake plate is going to be attached to. So I look online until I find a bike like mine and then create the fake plate. I could do that in the parking lot. Of course using the web would make it easier. It still doesn't seem like a reason to mask out your plate number. It looks to me like posting your name is much more dangerous that posting a license plate number. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:18:56 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:16:50 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) http://www.dccycles.com/plates.htm A couple of listers have stopped me on the street because they saw my plates and recognized me. I realize the danger in this. Sean Jordan wrote: > > The one MAJOR difference between this and the "parking lot scenario", > is that in this case Wayne posted with his real name. > > Based on the information contained in one email, I now know (among > other more specific details) that there's a white mercedes, a > corvette, and a Hayabusa in Ijamsville, Maryland. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:26:11 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:22:50 -0400 To: "Sean Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) At 04:57 PM 10/11/2005 -0400, Sean Jordan wrote: >Based on the information contained in one email, I now know (among other >more specific details) that there's a white mercedes, a corvette, and a >Hayabusa in Ijamsville, Maryland. I bet there are a bunch of Hummers, Ferraris, Corvettes, Mercedes, and various restored muscle cars in Potomac too. Starting with the auto dealer on Falls Road right near the corner of River (there, now you even have a specific address!) who deals in that sort of thing (Cerner Automotive I believe it is). The cars are parked all around the place. The bank located next door is probably loaded with money too. Knowing where things are, and getting them, are two different things. Taking a bike from a parking lot in Maryland is a lot safer than taking it from a home. Maryland doesn't obey the Constitution for public places (unless you know the Governor personally, or own a business and have to transport payroll or something), but it still lets folks own and carry firearms at home, and the owner is going to be a lot more familiar with the "terrain" than a thief is. If someone does decide to steal a bike from an armed homeowner, they'd best not scare him too much...deadly force isn't permitted to protect property, but if the owner is in fear of life or limb, it is permitted...and most wouldn't care much whether it is or isn't in that case anyway ("Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"...). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:27:10 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:26:18 -0400 To: "Sean Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites At 05:02 PM 10/11/2005 -0400, Sean Jordan wrote: >Can you come up with even ONE reasonable argument against taking every >precaution to protect your property/life/security/etc? Better things to do than stand armed guard over them 24x7? Can't afford to hire a squad of security guards? Feeding the alligators in the moat was just too messy? Every *reasonable* precaution, sure, but some precautions are just too much trouble. What the definition of "reasonable" and "too much trouble" are will vary from person to person as well as with the area they are in. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:33:01 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Content-ID: <13918.1129066379.1@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:32:59 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >Can you come up with even ONE reasonable argument against taking every >precaution to protect your property/life/security/etc? _Every_ precaution, eh? When asked, we'll always say that the most important thing is safety, security, health, etc., but the reality is that we continually make sensible compromises between security and convenience. For instance, not many people wear helmets while driving their cars. And while we all use _some_ kind of security device to protect our motorcycles (an ignition lock, at least), really none of us use the maximum security possible, we all pick some reasonable compromise between security and convenience, based on our estimation of the risk, and take our chances on the rest. There's always something more we could do, but the extra security provided doesn't seem worth the effort. This is why we don't bother to photoshop our license plate numbers, why many of us use our real names here, use credit cards instead of anonymous cash, don't guard our social security numbers, don't floss 3 times a day, don't have bomb shelters at home, etc. Ultimately, the only information that could be provided is that a particular bike exists in a particular place. If your bike is uncommonly valuable, then this information might be a problem. But if we're talking about any mass-produced bike, or a corvette, or a mercedes, well, I can find one of each of those taking a short walk around my neighborhood. In fact, I know a few places that have a whole bunch of motorcycles, though, of course, I would never publicly reveal what to look for in the yellow pages to find them! -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:40:26 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I gotta agree with Bruce here. You are just as likely to have someone follow you home or take the number on the road. I've heard this same argument about "don't use your credit card to buy something on the Internet" Its bullshit plain and simple. Glenn --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Because the Internet is forever! Once a picture, > etc. hits the wire, it can > be searched, saved, whatever. Otherwise, you are > just dealing with random > chance. Sure, someone can take a liking to your bike > while it's parked > somewhere and use the tag to get your address and > arrange to steal it. But > if it's out there on the 'net a lot more people can > see it - whenever they > want. > > Perry > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 17:49:15 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Have a standard VA tag, for example: 834157 and nobody will remember it. Its those personalized tags that people remember. Glenn --- Mike Troutman wrote: > http://www.dccycles.com/plates.htm > > A couple of listers have stopped me on the street > because they saw my > plates and recognized me. I realize the danger in > this. > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 19:11:24 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:11:33 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] ignore this test - test - -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 21:14:16 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:15:03 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) At 02:49 PM 10/11/2005 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >Have a standard VA tag, for example: 834157 and nobody >will remember it. Its those personalized tags that >people remember. If they read it right anyway. I've considered something like "101I1O"... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 22:27:56 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:27:37 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Have had a set for 8 years on three bikes. Never been rearended, if that's "effective". Have always felt more secure knowing they were blinking in the back (they are deceptively very visible), but never had anyone comment about annoying which I would ignore anyway in the interests of safety. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Feel like a firefly with Hyperlites Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ----------- Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] hyperlites i'm beginning to winterize* the bike and am also looking to add some safety mods. one thing on my list is additional brake lighting or similar for the rear. i'm thinking about the LED hyper lights http://www.hyperlites.com/ . . .snip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 23:09:13 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:08:56 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] HD Prexy interview -- Moto industry insights? On Wednesday, the HD president is due to be interviewed on PBS's Nightly Business Report WRT 3Q earnings --- 6:30p Ch26, 7p 0n 22. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Hybrids coming? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 23:22:58 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:23:17 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] More on RSS To get the DC Cycles RSS feed working in Yahoo, use "http://www.dccycles.com/feed.rss" as the source. It is working perfectly. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 11 23:56:48 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:56:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] license plate and other things To everyone involved here, Thanks for your responses. I do appreciate them and as always there are 2 sides to every discussion topic, sometimes more . Anyway, I think this would apply more to selling something on ebay or craigslist but why not cover them up. It's one more piece of personal info not out there on the web for some crazy criminal that has too much time on his/her hands to look up and comtemplate stealing something. Besides the bike the cars would also be nice for a criminal who was really crafty to have. But I agree it is a little paranoid so what though? What's wrong with a little paranoia about your belongings? Now don't get me wrong if you don't care, fine if you do fine. I personally won't hold it against anyone. That's what's so great about this country and our rights. Now back to the current threads... I love to ride and I don't like having to work. Anybody wanna start a business that could allow me to pay bills and ride and not have to work too hard? ;) Oh and anyone here heard good or bad things about Suomy lids other than what the Motorcyclist article said? I'm looking into new helmets. Thanks Ian 04 Red R6 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 06:23:01 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX That doesn't work either, people keep recognizing my V-Strom with trailer and chopper even though it does have those standard plates. ;-) Leon Ninja 250 rider --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Have a standard VA tag, for example: 834157 and > nobody > will remember it. Its those personalized tags that > people remember. > > Glenn > > --- Mike Troutman wrote: > > > http://www.dccycles.com/plates.htm > > > > A couple of listers have stopped me on the street > > because they saw my > > plates and recognized me. I realize the danger in > > this. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 07:12:32 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:12:30 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) Cc: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > That doesn't work either, people keep recognizing my > [yellow] V-Strom with trailer and chopper even though it does > have those standard plates. So, Leon - when are you going to repaint most of it green (leaving a few yellow accent areas)? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 07:22:01 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:21:57 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ignore this test Why? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 07:44:12 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 04:44:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] List RSS Feed To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles --- Mike Troutman wrote: > I rode the SV in today - first rain this bike has > probably ever seen. > The front end is a bit funky - hoping new rubber will > settle it down. > Apparently my decade old rain pants have developed a > tear, since I > showed up to work with a wet ass. And I don't mean to > say that Gimer > was behind me. > > :-o > > You are still on the list aren't you Tom? Hiding in the > shadows? still on the list.... right here behind you. ewww -- tg Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 09:17:20 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:17:12 -0400 Sean, Right on! Let's not forget that something on the Internet is available to millions and millions of people who can look at it and do whatever research they want at their leisure. They don't have to see you on the road, or in a parking lot and try to follow you home, or whatever. Just because you (not directed at you, Sean), the honest citizen, can't see any reason why something like this could be used to hurt you, doesn't mean that a criminally-minded individual can't think of something. Perry >From: "Sean Jordan" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Cover your plate!!! (was [dc-cycles] hyperlites) >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:57:05 -0400 > >Bruce asked: > >>Whatever. How are they going to get any info just knowing your license >>plate? > >Wayne responded: >>How is this any different than sitting around the parking lot at B&N or >>??? It seems that the only way this would be effective (obscuring your >>plates in pictures) is to remove your plates when you arrive at every >>destination. Otherwise, you can run into the same problem. > >Are you guys serious? Have you stopped to think about this at all? > >The one MAJOR difference between this and the "parking lot scenario", is >that in this case Wayne posted with his real name. > >Based on the information contained in one email, I now know (among other >more specific details) that there's a white mercedes, a corvette, and a >Hayabusa in Ijamsville, Maryland. > >I haven't even *touched* google yet (among other information gathering >tools that are widely and easily accessed.) > >Someday people are going to learn that information security is every bit as >important (if not more) than physical security . . . > > >- Sean Jordan > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 10:09:54 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:10:05 -0400 To: Ian Schmidt , DCcycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] license plate and other things At 08:56 PM 10/11/2005 -0700, Ian Schmidt wrote: >Besides the bike the cars would also be nice for a >criminal who was really crafty to have. But I agree >it is a little paranoid so what though? What's wrong >with a little paranoia about your belongings? Now >don't get me wrong if you don't care, fine if you do >fine. I personally won't hold it against anyone. It's also possible that some folks who post info that could lead a criminal to their stuff are actually just engaged in a public service by "chumming"... ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 10:31:58 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'axledeep@XXXXXX'" Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:32:17 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Jimmy O' Commenced with: "* i'm thinking about the LED hyper lights http://www.hyperlites.com/ . much of my commute has me in slow traffic where i'll be on and off the brakes a lot, so i don't want something that will annoy motorists around me, but i do want something that is actually noticeable. i've seen these in action and think they'll do the trick of adding additional lighting without the annoyance of the super bright or spastic lights. does anyone have these or have thoughts on them? do they annoy anyone?" sÅm'thÄng said, "I've got a pair on my ride and love them. I'd rather be seen by an irritated driver than not be seen by a happy one." [Carl]: Yep, I've followed folks with Hyperlites or similar products and thought they were great. The PO put them on my ST; so that was a plus to me. "Mike B. Offered, "Yeah, and if you want flash, just use the brake lever to flash them." But, Jimmy Opined, "pumping" the brakes to flash the brake light doesn't work very well in an emergency/hard stop - which is most when I want motorists behind me to know I'm there. " [Carl]: Excellent point. There is an option: Disconnect your front brake light switch. Use your rear (foot) brake to flash your brake lights: 1. For those elite on this list that "never" use their rear brakes, it makes that pedal useful for something other than securing a bike cover. 2. It'll also acquaint those elite where the rear brake pedal is so when they're on suboptimal traction (Sand, gravel, slicky-damp-goo) they can save their elite butts. 3. And, it's a cheap option. In a serious emergency, the smoke coming from yer rear tire, and its squeal, cuz you pushed too damn hard might catch the attention of the following cager. =8^O Carl in Bethesda * Yesterday's digest of 56 pages was reduced to 24 after deleting the unnecessary repeats. Just doing my part to save electrons and cut the B.S. When brake lights don't matter: Soccer Moms and Bigger Hammer: Check this out. It's from a member a scooter club who encountered an "interesting" cage driver. Work safe. http://www.rovers-usa.com/ROVER_msgBoardMsg.asp?topicID=10487 Read the follow up posts to: "I can't tell you why my ass hurts, but I have money in my pocket." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 11:10:28 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:10:39 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: "'axledeep@XXXXXX'" At 10:32 AM 10/12/2005 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >"Mike B. Offered, >"Yeah, and if you want flash, just use the brake lever to flash them." > >But, Jimmy Opined, >"pumping" the brakes to flash the brake light doesn't work very well in an >emergency/hard stop - which is most when I want motorists behind me to know >I'm there. " > >[Carl]: Excellent point. Yeah, that's why I made it myself in the post Jimmy was replying to... Good suggestion about the front brake light switch. I don't think I'll use it, but it was a good one anyway. >In a serious emergency, the smoke coming from yer rear tire, and its squeal, >cuz you pushed too damn hard might catch the attention of the following >cager. =8^O Also, while the front brake is turning your momentum into heat, your rear can lock the back wheel so that it starts to slide past you. If you need to you can let off and get a quick change in direction... ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 11:20:49 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike B.'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:21:11 -0400 Mike Bemused added, "Also, while the front brake is turning your momentum into heat, your rear can lock the back wheel so that it starts to slide past you. If you need to you can let off and get a quick change in direction... ;-)" [Carl]: Or let the rear slide past you so you can "Lay it down"* cuz everybody knows that'll save yer butt from any mishap. 8^D Easy on letting up on a sliding rear tire, it can produce a nasty "high-side". *For the sarcasm-challanged "laying it down" to save yer sorry butt is a Myth. Rubber has a much higher coefficient of friction than plastic and steel. Rolling rubber has better braking than skidding rubber. Awww, did I just stop a potential long thread? This week end looks nice. Find a parking lot and practice a few "emergency stops". Then get out and enjoy. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 12:17:52 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:18:08 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites At 11:21 AM 10/12/2005 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >*For the sarcasm-challanged "laying it down" to save yer sorry butt is a >Myth. Rubber has a much higher coefficient of friction than plastic and >steel. Rolling rubber has better braking than skidding rubber. Very true, but there *can* be situations in which "laying it down" will save your butt. I know of two, one hypothetical and one actual. Hypothetical: You are on a curvy mountain road with a 2000' drop on one side. You screw up a curve by entering too fast, or hitting gravel, spilled oil or whatever. You have two choices: 1) hit the guard rail upright and braking, or 2) hit the guard rail sliding. #1 will result in a slower impact, but is likely to catapult you over the rail and without a 'chute, you are history. #2 will result in a faster encounter with the guard rail, but will keep you on the roadway. Actual: A friend's father had his mother on the back when a semi pulled out in front of them (his story, I'm guessing it was more a case of blind curve and going too fast...semis don't pull out all that quickly). He dropped the bike and they slid under the trailer, avoiding impact. For anyone thinking they could have stopped in time anyway, this was in the late 60s or early 70s (I got the story in '75) and bikes back then had drum brakes, which weren't all that powerful and were prone to fading in heavy braking. Both of these are pretty rare occurrences of course. In general staying upright and braking hard is the best plan...perhaps with a swerve if you can't stop in time even with the hard braking. >Awww, did I just stop a potential long thread? Maybe not... ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 12:17:59 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:09:18 -0400 To: Armadillo From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: "Custer, Carl" , DCCycles It can, but it doesn't have to. It depends on many things...the bike, the road, the energy (speed), how far the rear angles off first, and how you are balanced at the time. I've done this on dirt lots of times, and on the road a few times, and not dumped the bike doing that yet. On the road the angle was only a few degrees, the bike was heavyish (done it on both my old Honda 700 Saber and my Heritage), and I expected the sudden shift when I let off the rear brake. I wasn't trying to use the direction change though...I was trying to counter it so I'd stay straight. The result was that the bike just jerked upright and straight again. I have heard of people inadvertently avoiding an accident by this method...they weren't expecting the direction change so they got one that they couldn't have made on purpose, and missed the obstruction that had pulled out in front of them. I've also seen one case of a Road King Ultra getting dropped in parking lot practice (hard stop) when this was done...not a high side or low side, just a loss of balance and a drop of the bike, but not the rider. Unless you want to practice it a whole lot in controlled conditions until you are confident about it, I doubt it's something you should plan to use, but it is something to be aware of...even if only to avoid. -- Mike B. -- A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting. Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? At 11:16 AM 10/12/2005 -0400, Armadillo wrote: >>>> not a great idea as this would most likely percipitate in a highside... Also, while the front brake is turning your momentum into heat, your rear can lock the back wheel so that it starts to slide past you. If you need to you can let off and get a quick change in direction... ;-) <<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 13:22:44 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike B.'" , Armadillo Cc: DCCycles Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:23:08 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] High siding Letting up on the rear brake when it is skidding can cause a high side. As I understand it, when the rear wheel "hooks up" (regains greater traction) it tends to stand the bike up. If that rear wheel is to one side, then the bike standing up throws the rider upward. I've skidded the rear wheel, eased off the rear brake and haven't "high sided" -- BUT -- the rear wheel was straight behind me. Maybe some of you other folks who "play in the dirt" or on a track can offer personal insights rather than the pedagogical stuff we often hear from the MSF. Carl n Bethesda Mike B wrote: "It can, but it doesn't have to. It depends on many things...the bike, the road, the energy (speed), how far the rear angles off first, and how you are balanced at the time. I've done this on dirt lots of times, and on the road a few times, and not dumped the bike doing that yet. On the road the angle was only a few degrees, the bike was heavyish (done it on both my old Honda 700 Saber and my Heritage), and I expected the sudden shift when I let off the rear brake. I wasn't trying to use the direction change though...I was trying to counter it so I'd stay straight. The result was that the bike just jerked upright and straight again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 13:59:38 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] High siding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > rather than the pedagogical stuff we often hear from the MSF. Oh the temerity! You dare to question the absolute truth? Do you not know that the MSF is the chosen prophet of Allah^H^H^H^H^H his Holiness the MCMA? *Zot!* and *Double Zot* to all you unbelievers! Lighting shall consume your pitiful souls. Your bones will be ground to purify the iron castings of the American Motorcycle Company forever! *ZOT!* (obscure and tortured reference to the Internet Oracle) The issue is less "stand up" but rather the stepped out rear trying to get back in-line with the front. The problem is that 90+% of the vehicle weight is trying to do this and the rag doll (you) sitting on top is insufficiently anchored to the hulking steel mass such that you get pitched. Probably a good thing though. Otherwise that heavy orb on a thin stick (head+helmet on neck) would snap said stick right good. Surfaces of lesser traction than dry pavement (MSF instructors will recognize that description), namely dirt, wet, gravel just have less tendency to let the rear tire grip as strongly or as suddenly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 14:00:21 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Oct 2005 18:00:13 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:00:12 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] But Is the one-handed grip covered in the MSF course? Michael J. wrote" >>[Snip]"...One gentleman took severe umbrage at the modulators and actually >> exited his vehicle. He saw my Kimber, thought better of his intended >> course of action...." You carry a .45 ACP while riding? In plain sight? Damn. And yes, I would imagine that'd be an effective deterrent against displays of road rage. It'd certainly get my full and complete attention. DB -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 14:50:39 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More on RSS Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:50:26 -0400 Well, maybe my expectations are out of whack, but: The format is very hard to read; The postings are very slow to come through; It's a cool idea, but I think I'll stick with reading in Hotmail for now... Perry >From: Mike Troutman >Reply-To: mike@XXXXXX >To: DCCycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] More on RSS >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:23:17 -0400 > >To get the DC Cycles RSS feed working in Yahoo, use >"http://www.dccycles.com/feed.rss" as the source. It is working perfectly. > >-- >___________________________________ >Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > ICQ 239667121 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 14:58:09 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More on RSS Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:58:01 -0400 Well, maybe my expectations are out of whack, but: The format is very hard to read; The postings are very slow to come through; It's a cool idea, but I think I'll stick with reading in Hotmail for now... Perry >From: Mike Troutman >Reply-To: mike@XXXXXX >To: DCCycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] More on RSS >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:23:17 -0400 > >To get the DC Cycles RSS feed working in Yahoo, use >"http://www.dccycles.com/feed.rss" as the source. It is working perfectly. > >-- >___________________________________ >Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > ICQ 239667121 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 15:58:18 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:58:10 -0400 From: Radio Waves To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? On 10/11/05, smthng else wrote: > This must be a reasonably new law then, or some officers are more > "human" than others. Six years ago, I got nailed for 153 in a 65 (I > think it was 65 at the time - the HOV lanes on 395). I pulled over > the moment I saw the lights. I was on a Seca II and was amazed it > would do 153, even with the mods (downhill with a tailwind).. Since no one else said it: A buck fifty three on a Seca II? Uh-huh... Those things have the aerodynamics of a brick and the horsepower of an eggbeater. I might believe 130 with a good tailwind, but 153 beggars the imagination. He was probably polite because he knew he was already completely screwing you with a bogus speed on the ticket. You were very lucky to have it dropped, because jail time was a serious possibility if you'd made it into court. "I know a guy" busted going 100 on 267, and even with a lawyer he was given a very hefty fine (probably about the cost of a decent seca II) and had his license suspended for three or six months. He felt lucky to have stayed out of the clink. YMMV, but in my book, stay the hell away from VA cops, who as far as I can tell universally range from worthless to malignant. If you do run afoul, like others have said, try not to make your own life more difficult than it needs to be (i.e., you'd better pretend you're in gitmo and they're PFC England and crew.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 16:05:31 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? (Seca II) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:05:28 -0400 I know someone that topped out their '94 Seca II at an indicated 135 mph, which is about what the people on the Yahoo! group said it would do. >From: Radio Waves >To: DCCycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? >Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:58:10 -0400 > >On 10/11/05, smthng else wrote: > > This must be a reasonably new law then, or some officers are more > > "human" than others. Six years ago, I got nailed for 153 in a 65 (I > > think it was 65 at the time - the HOV lanes on 395). I pulled over > > the moment I saw the lights. I was on a Seca II and was amazed it > > would do 153, even with the mods (downhill with a tailwind).. > >Since no one else said it: > >A buck fifty three on a Seca II? Uh-huh... Those things have the >aerodynamics of a brick and the horsepower of an eggbeater. I might >believe 130 with a good tailwind, but 153 beggars the imagination. > >He was probably polite because he knew he was already completely >screwing you with a bogus speed on the ticket. You were very lucky to >have it dropped, because jail time was a serious possibility if you'd >made it into court. "I know a guy" busted going 100 on 267, and even >with a lawyer he was given a very hefty fine (probably about the cost >of a decent seca II) and had his license suspended for three or six >months. He felt lucky to have stayed out of the clink. > >YMMV, but in my book, stay the hell away from VA cops, who as far as I >can tell universally range from worthless to malignant. If you do run >afoul, like others have said, try not to make your own life more >difficult than it needs to be (i.e., you'd better pretend you're in >gitmo and they're PFC England and crew.) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 17:29:39 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:29:34 -0400 From: smthng else To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? On 10/12/05, Radio Waves wrote: > On 10/11/05, smthng else wrote: > > This must be a reasonably new law then, or some officers are more > > "human" than others. Six years ago, I got nailed for 153 in a 65 (I > > think it was 65 at the time - the HOV lanes on 395). I pulled over > > the moment I saw the lights. I was on a Seca II and was amazed it > > would do 153, even with the mods (downhill with a tailwind).. > A buck fifty three on a Seca II? Uh-huh... Those things have the > aerodynamics of a brick and the horsepower of an eggbeater. I might > believe 130 with a good tailwind, but 153 beggars the imagination. I'm not saying it was REALLY 153, but that's what the cop had on his gun. I do know it was way beyond what the S2 can usually do and the few mods it had probably weren't enough to be able to put out that kind of power without many internal engine bits becoming external engine bits. But, in defense of my poor little Seca, it was a big downhill stretch and she'd been running WFO for several miles to get up to whatever kind of ludicrous speed it was. Yes, I was stupid. But, yes it was pretty damn quick for a S2 and it was probably some "near" 150'ish. > He was probably polite because he knew he was already completely > screwing you with a bogus speed on the ticket. You were very lucky to > have it dropped, because jail time was a serious possibility if you'd > made it into court. Agreed again. But, we did go to court. The judge threw it out and from what I gather, it was because of that cop. He was whining about his paperwork not being "quite right" and the judge had a very short fuse with him. Of the five or six cases before mine that I saw, almost all were much easier on the defendants than I thought they should have been. Sometimes luck watches out for the stupid. ;) > YMMV, but in my book, stay the hell away from VA cops, who as far as I > can tell universally range from worthless to malignant. We're batting a thousand... I agree again. Most VA cops are assinine (FFX Cty being the worst of the breed that I've run into so far). I've had one pull a gun on my just because I pulled off the road to stop instead of stopping in the middle of the road... "I thought you were gonna run!" Wankerz. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 17:32:57 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:32:46 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Virginia speed law unconstitutional? (Seca II) On 10/12/05, rich hall wrote: > I know someone that topped out their '94 Seca II at an indicated 135 mph, > which is about what the people on the Yahoo! group said it would do. Sounds about right for a stocker. With a pipe, a good jetting job and a good dyno tune, I think it would be reasonable to expect 140. Mine had a few other bits... minor cam changes, intake mods and sprockets. Nothing "radical", but you can squeeze more out of that little inline four if you really to. Damn, I loved that little piece of junk. ;) --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 12 22:54:51 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:54:48 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: David Blumgart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] But Is the one-handed grip covered in the MSF course? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Which also makes me wonder.. in (most of ) VA (sans alexandria I believe?) it's legal to open carry. So wouldn't it be legal to open carry in a holster a prop/ replica? I hear USMC stickers work well on keeping cars from tailgating peoples cars. I didnt' know about those blue stripe stickers until a month or so ago. I was thinking that would keep informed idiots off my ass.. but I haven't yet discussed the legality of it? I asked a cop friend of mine if he could get me some, and he was saying it woudl cause the cops to mess with you more LOL.. I'm thinking it wouldn't.. I think i'm going to put a blue stripe on my plate... On 10/12/05, David Blumgart wrote: > Michael J. wrote" > > >>[Snip]"...One gentleman took severe umbrage at the modulators and actually > >> exited his vehicle. He saw my Kimber, thought better of his intended > >> course of action...." > > You carry a .45 ACP while riding? In plain sight? Damn. And yes, I would imagine that'd be an effective deterrent against displays of road rage. It'd certainly get my full and complete attention. > > DB > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 08:27:44 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:26:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] But Is the one-handed grip covered in the MSF course? Which also makes me wonder.. in (most of ) VA [Dave] All, not most. (sans alexandria I believe?) [Dave] see above. it's legal to open carry. So wouldn't it be legal to open carry in a holster a prop/ replica? [Dave] who would do something that stupid? The one percenter who would attack you would beat you senseless with it once it was determined you were hefting a mini-soaker. I hear USMC stickers work well on keeping cars from tailgating peoples cars. [Dave] Negative. I didnt' know about those blue stripe stickers until a month or so ago. I was thinking that would keep informed idiots off my ass.. but I haven't yet discussed the legality of it? I asked a cop friend of mine if he could get me some, and he was saying it woudl cause the cops to mess with you more LOL.. I'm thinking it wouldn't.. I think i'm going to put a blue stripe on my plate... [Dave] Some brain donor actually hit my Exploder yesterday. It was a pedestrian. We'll call him Urban Youth #1. He walked out into traffic that hadn't yet stopped on US 1 near Walmart. Walked right into my moving Exploder from behind another vehicle. The stupidity of some ass holes never ceases to amaze me. I could tell Urban Youth #1 was disappointed that I did not yield to his superior cool factor, despite my having the right of way, and his stupid stunt walking between cars moving at between 10 - 35 mph... I'm betting that Urban Youth #1 does it again. Until he gets killed. There was a crosswalk not 25 feet from Urban Youth number 1. Urban Youth #1 and some of his neighbors enjoy doing this for some reason, and particularly to women, who tend to be somewhat frightened when Urban Youth #1 or his neighbors "give them a piece of their mind" for daring to actually drive down US 1 when it is clear for all to see that their time is more important. Apparently, I am unfazed by this and his "pimp mind trick" didn't work on me. Some peoeple don't know the stupidity of their actions at the time their taken. Some do. Urban Youth #1 knew what he was doing was stupid, but he probably doesn't know just how stupid. On 10/12/05, David Blumgart wrote: > Michael J. wrote" > > >>[Snip]"...One gentleman took severe umbrage at the modulators and actually > >> exited his vehicle. He saw my Kimber, thought better of his intended > >> course of action...." > > You carry a .45 ACP while riding? In plain sight? Damn. And yes, I would imagine that'd be an effective deterrent against displays of road rage. It'd certainly get my full and complete attention. > > DB > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 09:35:06 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:35:02 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] But Is the one-handed grip covered in the MSF course? Cc: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Which also makes me wonder.. in (most of ) VA (sans alexandria I > believe?) it's legal to open carry. So wouldn't it be legal to > open carry in a holster a prop/ replica? It would be legal - but stupid. Should your antagonist say "I'll see your .45, raise you a baseball bat and call" - you'd be in deep doo-doo. Also - as of July 1, 2004, Alexandria lost the ability to place any controls on firearms. Virginia now has one consistent set of rules throughout the state - local communities no longer have the ability to have different rules. Bugs the hell out of Alexandria and Falls Church. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 11:27:04 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:26:49 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 10/11/2005 10:28:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > Have had a set for 8 years on three bikes. Never been rearended, Have _not_ had a set for _30_ years. Never been rear ended. Does that prove that it is safer not to have them? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 11:32:27 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:32:22 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Have had a set for 8 years on three bikes. Never been rearended, > > Have _not_ had a set for _30_ years. Never been rear ended. > Does that prove that it is safer not to have them? That depends - are you also using deer whistles? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 11:34:37 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:34:15 -0400 > > From: Michael Jordan > Date: 2005/10/13 Thu AM 11:32:22 EDT > To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > > > Have had a set for 8 years on three bikes. Never been rearended, > > > > Have _not_ had a set for _30_ years. Never been rear ended. > > Does that prove that it is safer not to have them? > > That depends - are you also using deer whistles? > no but my rhino and elephant whistles have worked flawlessly. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 11:59:09 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:59:14 -0400 To: Michael Jordan , "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:32 AM 10/13/2005 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Does that prove that it is safer not to have them? > >That depends - are you also using deer whistles? Drew, at Battley's, hit a deer recently, and he has the deer whistles on his bike (he hit a deer a few years back and it was ugly). He determined afterwards that they installed the deer whistles backwards, and so they are actually calling the deer rather than warning them away. Don't let this happen to you. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 12:18:57 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:18:43 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 10/13/2005 11:32:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > That depends - are you also using deer whistles? I am also _not_ using deer whistles. Proving that it is safer not to have them#;-) I do think that deer whistles are one of the silliest things _ever_. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 12:25:03 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:24:59 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Drew, at Battley's, hit a deer recently, and he has the deer whistles on > his bike (he hit a deer a few years back and it was ugly). That's odd - most deer are fairly cute. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 12:29:49 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:29:46 -0400 Especially from the telescopic sight on a high-powered rifle... Of course, it is tough to drag them out of the woods with a street bike. An ATV works nicely, though. Maybe one of those Rokon things would work? I don't know about your typical dirt bike... Perry (cleverly returning the topic to that of motorcycles) >From: Michael Jordan >To: "Mike B." >CC: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:24:59 -0400 > > > Drew, at Battley's, hit a deer recently, and he has the deer whistles on > > his bike (he hit a deer a few years back and it was ugly). > >That's odd - most deer are fairly cute. > >-- >Michael J. >'86 SRX-6 >'93 GSX1100G >'03 DL1000 >AMA >IBA #3901 >USAF (Ret) >NRA >etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 14:05:31 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:05:12 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 10/13/2005 12:25:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: >> (he hit a deer a few years back and it was ugly). > That's odd - most deer are fairly cute. The deer _was_ cute. It was driving an ugly car... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 14:13:16 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:13:03 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] MC boot Is there such a thing as a "boot" for a motorcycle? As in the boots used by parking enforcement. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 14:28:00 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:27:37 -0400 > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: 2005/10/13 Thu PM 02:05:12 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > In a message dated 10/13/2005 12:25:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > >> (he hit a deer a few years back and it was ugly). > > > That's odd - most deer are fairly cute. > > The deer _was_ cute. It was driving an ugly car... > uh nooo...the dear_was_cute, it was the year that was ugly. I mean...DUH. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 14:56:15 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:56:13 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MC boot On 10/13/05, rich hall wrote: > Is there such a thing as a "boot" for a motorcycle? As in the boots used by > parking enforcement. If you're asking about the city/county booting your bike... Not that I'm aware of. If you're asking because you want to do something similiar in order to lock your bike, I'd imagine a good disklock would be just as effective and visible to others. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 15:11:21 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:10:38 -0400 To: Michael Jordan From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:24 PM 10/13/2005 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Drew, at Battley's, hit a deer recently, and he has the deer whistles on >> his bike (he hit a deer a few years back and it was ugly). > >That's odd - most deer are fairly cute. Not after you ride a motorcycle through them... Drew wasn't very pretty afterwards either. Of course, that might not have been due to the deer strike...I can't say since I didn't know him before that. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 15:11:27 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:11:51 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MC boot At 02:13 PM 10/13/2005 -0400, rich hall wrote: >Is there such a thing as a "boot" for a motorcycle? As in the boots used by >parking enforcement. I've never seen one, but a disk lock would work pretty well I think. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 15:17:35 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MC boot Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:17:31 -0400 Saw a car w/ a boot today, wondered if the city had something for bikes? Just curious. >From: smthng else >Reply-To: you@XXXXXX >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MC boot >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:56:13 -0400 > >On 10/13/05, rich hall wrote: > > Is there such a thing as a "boot" for a motorcycle? As in the boots >used by > > parking enforcement. > >If you're asking about the city/county booting your bike... Not that >I'm aware of. > >If you're asking because you want to do something similiar in order to >lock your bike, I'd imagine a good disklock would be just as effective >and visible to others. > >--sÅ­m'thÄ­ng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 16:29:33 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:29:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] But Is the one-handed grip covered in the MSF course? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 10/13/05, Dave Yates wrote: > > Which also makes me wonder.. in (most of ) VA > > [Dave] All, not most. Good. I'm glad they fixed that. It's nice to be surprised by new gun laws that actually support the 2nd amendment. That reminds me, I saw an older gentleman open carry in some sort of store (can't recall now). Struck me as NOT a police officer, and I did a double take.. but he was leaning over the counter being helped by the staff.. looked like life as normal if it wasn't there.. so I thought that was pretty cool. > it's legal to open carry. So wouldn't it be legal to > open carry in a holster a prop/ replica? > > [Dave] who would do something that stupid? The one percenter who would attack you would beat you senseless with it once it was determined you were hefting a mini-soaker. If I had a daily commute in heavy traffic in VA , and did not want to actually carry, I might do it. The idea would be, it never enters your hands, it stays on the belt, and keeps people from tail gaiting you and keeping them at bay and their mouths shut. some might assume you're a cop even. That one percenter would likely treat you the same regardless. If you never draw it in the first place, you'd likely already be beaten senseless if they got their hands on it. Or for that matter while he's grabbing for it off your belt, you can be doing much better things to very sensative parts of his anatomy.. but then I usually don't stop and challenge idiots in cars anyway.. most likely i'd just lane split and leave or change lanes and slow down letting the idiot get to his accident first. > I hear USMC stickers work well on keeping cars from tailgating peoples cars. > > [Dave] Negative. I guess YMV. > I didnt' know about those blue stripe stickers until a month or so > ago. I was thinking that would keep informed idiots off my ass.. but > I haven't yet discussed the legality of it? I asked a cop friend of > mine if he could get me some, and he was saying it woudl cause the > cops to mess with you more LOL.. I'm thinking it wouldn't.. I > think i'm going to put a blue stripe on my plate... > > [Dave] Some brain donor actually hit my Exploder yesterday. It was a pedestrian. We'll call him Urban Youth #1. He walked out into traffic that hadn't yet stopped on US 1 near Walmart. Walked right into my moving Exploder from behind another vehicle. The stupidity of some ass holes never ceases to amaze me. I hate when idiots try to "time cars" so that they are missed by inches. how fuggin idiotic is that. Did he hit it with his hand or something? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 16:33:04 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:33:01 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] But Is the one-handed grip covered in the MSF course? Cc: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 10/13/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Which also makes me wonder.. in (most of ) VA (sans alexandria I > > believe?) it's legal to open carry. So wouldn't it be legal to > > open carry in a holster a prop/ replica? > > It would be legal - but stupid. Should your antagonist say "I'll see > your .45, raise you a baseball bat and call" - you'd be in deep > doo-doo. Naw, it would be like peace through superior firepower (or well the presumption of such).. kind of like the cold war. A guy would have to be a complete idiot to without you verbally agitating him to just come at you. If I actually did this, I would have as little communication or sharing of space with any driver, especially complete idiots. > Also - as of July 1, 2004, Alexandria lost the ability to place any > controls on firearms. Virginia now has one consistent set of rules > throughout the state - local communities no longer have the ability to > have different rules. Bugs the hell out of Alexandria and Falls > Church. Ah good to know. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 16:56:06 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:55:54 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Motos in the news... ... in a good light. "Loud pipes" save souls? http://www.claremoreprogress.com/archive/article22505 VFW motorcycles drown out protestors Originally published on Wednesday, October 12 By Linda Martin Progress Staff Writer CHELSEA — God spoke with the roar of revving motorcycle engines during a protest Tuesday by six members of a Kansas church that believes God is punishing the U.S. for protecting homosexuals by killing soldiers overseas. Chelsea residents, however, believed God spoke on their behalf as the engines of more than 100 Veterans of Foreign Wars motorcycles drowned out the voices of the Westboro Baptist Church members who were allowed to protest from 1-1:30 p.m. before the 2 p.m. funeral services for Staff Sgt. John Glen Doles. The protesters were escorted by police from the Chelsea Police Station to and from the protest site at the corner of Sixth and Vine streets a half block away. They left immediately after the protest, said Chelsea Police Chief Kenny Kelsey. Chelsea's main street was lined with American Flags in honor of Doles, who was killed when he and five others were ambushed by enemy fire last week in Afghanistan. He was laid to rest with honors in a small cemetery southeast of Chelsea. Town and local law enforcement consisting of Chelsea police, the Rogers County Sheriff's Department and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol made good their intent that nothing would disrupt funeral services for the local hero and his family. Chelsea Mayor Kenny Weast said he received a fax last Tuesday saying church members would be in Chelsea to protest at the funeral. Weast contacted local law enforcement and a successful plan was devised. Said Weast: "We planned for the worst and hoped for the best." Weast's own feelings about the protest, however resonated those of the town. "What a tragedy to have a group like this protest the day of the funeral, one of the hardest days this family will have. It makes me sick," he said. Kelsey, Chelsea's chief for six months, said neither set of protesters "were allowed to cross the street and every body stuck to it." The American Legion Riders from Southeast Kansas, which represented a number of Kansas towns and communities along with members of other organized motorcycle groups, attended the funeral to protest the protesters. But the No. 1 reason was to show support for Staff Sgt. Doles and his family and to oppose Fred Phelps, who is the leader of the anti-homosexual group. The bikers succeeded in keeping the protesters out of sight and sound of the Doles family but for anyone else close enough to see their brightly colored signs spoke loud and clear: "GOD IS YOU OR ENEMY; GOD HATES THE USA; GOD IS AN AMERICAN TERRORIST; TOO LATE TO PRAY; THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS; YOU'RE GOING TO HELL; GOD HAS SPOKEN IT'S NOT A BLESSING IT'S A CURSE and AMERICA IS DOOMED." The locals had a couple of signs of their own. Three older women held up a white sheet that said "SHOW AMAZING GRACE" and two young people held a cardboard sign saying "YE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE." John B. Milam, a Chelsea native, said of his feelings about the protest, "I have no respect for anyone who has no respect for the dead." Wilma Fraley said, "I just think the family deserves a quiet, peaceful funeral for their hero. Thank God for the (local) people coming out to do this (show their support)." At the cemetery, which was void of protesters, Doles' team leader and 14 other fellow soldiers from Fort Polk in Louisiana who either trained or served with Doles attended the funeral. Staff Sgt. Adam Oliver, Doles' team leader, said, Doles "was the hardest worker I've ever seen in my life. He was one of those guys that everybody liked and probably the best soldier I've ever been in charge of. He was always willing to go the distance and beyond without ever being asked." Staff Sgt. Stephen Podymaitis, said "I'm just a better man for having known him." Podymaitis said he and his family lived next door to Doles and his family and their two sons practically grew up together. "He brought happiness to everybody's life," Podymaitis said. Still in disbelief that his friend is gone Podymaitis said: "He's a brother in arms and a brother in heart." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 18:39:46 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:39:33 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motos in the news... Cc: DCCycles what the hell kind of wacked out religion makes signs like that.. I think they would have looked better flailing around being used to pummel those that intend to hold them up. how does anti-homosexual = all that you're going to hell and God hates the U.S. and is a terrorist? I suppose even 6 crazy people can sometimes form a group. Maybe they can get a group rate on psychiatric care. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 18:46:36 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:46:33 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Bruce N Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: DCcycles Yea I seem to recall a lot of people say theives write down plate numbers to steal bikes.. don't know how true it is though. It doesn't seem too oblivious to me though. I mean, we all know anyone with access to running plates must be completely honest. Dumb ass DMV drones, and fine up standing LA walmart shopping police officers would never do anything dishonest like give theives addresses of plates for cash or whatever. Nope. nope. never. On 10/11/05, Bruce N wrote: > Whatever. How are they going to get any info just knowing your license > plate? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" > To: "DCcycles" > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:27 PM > Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > > >I think the intent is for the bike thieves more then the road rage psychos. > > > > Art Silver > > NIH/NIGMS/ASB > > 45 Center Dr. Rm 3an24 > > Bethesda, MD 20892 > > 301-594-1747 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:24 PM > > To: DCcycles > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > > > That is so ridiculous. Why block your license plate? You drive down the > > road > > > > showing it to everyone every day. You think someone online is more likely > > to > > > > look up your plate than some psycho road rager? Paranoid much? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Schmidt" > > To: "DCcycles" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites > > > > > >> Hey Wayne, > >> Nice pics but might I suggest that you whiteout > >> your license plate numbers. I mean I know no one on > >> here is looking to steal your shit but just in case > >> there is some troller that is following these threads > >> then you might want to take care of that. Just a > >> thought now back to the topic at hand. I've thought > >> about these as well but I haven't found myself in need > >> of them yet and there is other mods that I need, read > >> want, to do first. > >> > >> > >> Ian > >> > >> --- James O'Connor wrote: > >> > >>> modulators bug me, so I don't plan to get one of > >>> those. i wouldn't > >>> enjoy having a bike with a modulator behind > >>> me...though i can't say > >>> i'd get out my car over it ;). but i could see it > >>> causing tension if > >>> i wasn't a rider myself. i'll add some extra lights > >>> up front, but > >>> they won't bounce around like a modulator. i'd > >>> wager that most > >>> cagers DO care. just hopefully not in a way that > >>> erodes their image > >>> of motorcycling. me personally...i like to avoid > >>> annoying cagers > >>> anymore than my lanesplitting, full throttle passes, > >>> HOVing self > >>> already does :) > >>> > >>> - Jimmy > >>> > >>> --- Michael Jordan wrote: > >>> > >>> > Kisan modulator up front and hyperlites in back. > >>> > > >>> > Bugs the crap out of some cagers. Most don't seem > >>> to care. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Yahoo! Music Unlimited > >>> Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > >>> http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > >> 10/10/2005 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: > > 10/10/2005 > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 18:55:13 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:55:09 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites Cc: Michael Jordan , "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX All you people judging the asthetics of that poor animal make me sick. We all know it's that what's on the inside that counts.. and in this case, it was his motorcycle on hte inside of that deer. On 10/13/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 12:24 PM 10/13/2005 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: > >> Drew, at Battley's, hit a deer recently, and he has the deer whistles on > >> his bike (he hit a deer a few years back and it was ugly). > > > >That's odd - most deer are fairly cute. > > Not after you ride a motorcycle through them... > > Drew wasn't very pretty afterwards either. Of course, that might not have > been due to the deer strike...I can't say since I didn't know him before that. > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 19:19:21 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:19:12 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] DC DMV skinny From a longer article in the Wednesday, 10/12 "Northwest Current" (the free local, p.3) comes these tidbits regarding the DC DMV: The Georgetown DMV is said to reopen "next week" at Georgetown Park. 65K NW is dead. 95M St. SW "full service center" is due in January. The "DMV call center" is slated to come back up mid-November, taking the load from the 727-1000 general District line. 301 C St. will soon have new adjudication hearing facilities. No new inspection station (Va. Ave.) opening is due, nor is a road test site. Computer systems integration still in flux. [Uh oh! Triple diligence time.] Several blue-sky customer assistance programs remain low priority. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > "Plus Ca Change, Plus C'est La Meme Chose" "The more things change, the more they remain the same." Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 20:49:49 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:49:39 -0400 To: DCcycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hyperlites At 06:46 PM 10/13/2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Yea I seem to recall a lot of people say theives write down plate >numbers to steal bikes.. don't know how true it is though. > >It doesn't seem too oblivious to me though. I mean, we all know >anyone with access to running plates must be completely honest. Dumb >ass DMV drones, and fine up standing LA walmart shopping police >officers would never do anything dishonest like give theives addresses >of plates for cash or whatever. Nope. nope. never. you don't have to pay "those ass DMV drones" (which I was for 5 years btw), There's dozens of sites on the net that you can pay less than $30 for annual membership and run as many plates as you want. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 13 20:52:57 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:52:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC DMV skinny At 07:19 PM 10/13/2005, you wrote: > From a longer article in the Wednesday, 10/12 "Northwest Current" (the free >local, p.3) comes these tidbits regarding the DC DMV: > > The Georgetown DMV is said to reopen "next week" at Georgetown Park. > > > 65K NW is dead. > > 95M St. SW "full service center" is due in January. > > The "DMV call center" is slated to come back up mid-November, taking >the load from the 727-1000 general District line. ..don't bank on it. They're still having Teloquent problems. And will continue to do so until they can find the control phone. They've made nearly zero progress since the DCNET cutover. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 14 01:59:02 2005 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motos in the news... Content-ID: <8518.1129269519.1@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:58:40 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >how does anti-homosexual all that you're going to hell and God >hates the U.S. and is a terrorist? You can refer to the FAQs on their web sites: godhatesfags.com and godhatesamerica.com . They're anti everything from the US flag to the KU Jayhawks. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 14 03:32:35 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:32:32 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Harry Mantakos Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motos in the news... Cc: DCCycles Surprised they're not anti-themselves LOL On 10/14/05, Harry Mantakos wrote: > >how does anti-homosexual all that you're going to hell and God > >hates the U.S. and is a terrorist? > > You can refer to the FAQs on their web sites: godhatesfags.com and > godhatesamerica.com . They're anti everything from the US flag to > the KU Jayhawks. > -harry > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 14 10:17:21 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:15:04 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] 1978 CB400 For you vintage guys that don't follow craigslist.... http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/104043418.html I didn't realize a '78 400 was called a Hawk. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 17 09:57:57 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:55:39 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Quiet list ...everyone must be out riding in this beautiful weather. I switched back to the VFR this weekend from the SV again, and its like riding rails. The replacement mirrors on the SV kind of suck, but suck a little less than the stock mirrors. I suppose once I put the new 29" handlebars in, I'll have better clearance around my shoulders and the new mirrors will work out great. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 17 10:43:00 2005 X-Sasl-Enc: PzqsU6F3bMUgZH+vMEfBLv2OVnaPK2rpffe68BE9sasX 1129560171 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MC boot Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:42:51 -0900 On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:56:13 -0400, "smthng else" said: > On 10/13/05, rich hall wrote: > > Is there such a thing as a "boot" for a motorcycle? As in the boots used by > > parking enforcement. When I was taking some graduate classes at GWU, there was one motorcycle without a parking permit that parked occasionally in the MC lot. After a few tickets, I saw they got a big red U-lock and put in in the wheel. After that, I never saw the bike parked there again. I think the permit was something like $10 a semester for off street parking. Seemed like a good deal to me. Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 17 14:29:28 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'adamme1@XXXXXX'" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:29:38 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] running plates Was: hyperlites Aki Damme Averred or Declared: "you don't have to pay "those ass DMV drones" (which I was for 5 years btw), There's dozens of sites on the net that you can pay less than $30 for annual membership and run as many plates as you want." [Carl]: No kidding. Once upon a time in Merryland, you could go to the DMV, fill out a form identify yourself, and get the address belonging to a plate. Worked great when a sleeping bag slipped off of my Fiat unbeknownst to me. The fellow behind me picked it up, got my address and phone number and the sleeping bag and I were reunited. Alas, in the MD Assembly's infinite wisdom (& paranoia), that information is no longer available. Carl in Bethesda Years ago, a car-pooling buddy remarked. If people were required to display their name and phone number on their cars, they wouldn't drive so stupidly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 17 18:26:49 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone want some Tyr Sox warmers? I haven't raced in a while and don't anticipate doing so any time soon. Anyone want my set? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 17 22:31:50 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:32:24 -0400 To: DCCycles From: David Blumgart Subject: [dc-cycles] Group rides I'm glad I missed http://ueba.com.br/forums/index.php?showtopic=19607&hl= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 18 11:22:52 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:22:43 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] innie or outie I'm about to buy a new set of winter gloves. There are winter gloves with thick, protective gauntlets (for going over jacket sleeves) and winter gloves with thinner gauntlets (for going inside jacket sleeves). In my experiences, the "outies" keep drafts to a minimum, but can let rain run down into the glove. The "innies" stop rain from running inside the jacket (unless you raise your arm to flip someone the bird), but also let in drafts. I've always found "outie" easier to deal with in putting on the gloves/jacket. Anyone have a preference for one way over the other? Is there something I'm not considering (e.g., safety)? Any suggestions for gloves? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 18 12:34:31 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:32:02 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] innie or outie Aaron Maurer wrote: >I've always found "outie" easier to deal with in putting on the gloves/jacket. > >Anyone have a preference for one way over the other? Is there >something I'm not considering (e.g., safety)? > >Any suggestions for gloves? > > > 1) I prefer gauntlets. When you are moving, rain will rarely run down inside of them unless you are dead stopped for a long period of time. I rainproofed mine, which also sealed off tiny drafts and made them even warmer. 2) Buy both. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 18 16:42:38 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:42:32 -0400 From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] To Swerve or not to swerve I thought of something this morning as I nearly got rear ended on the toll road. My lane came to a sudden stop and I had to hit the brakes pretty hard and immediately looked in my rear view to see the 4 or 5 cars behind all swerving as they braked. Not locked up, but purposefully moving (partially) onto the shoulder and open lanes. I have seen this a lot, but always believed that the fastest and safest way to stop was to keep the car or bike straight. Is that right? -Rich vfr750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 18 17:15:43 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:15:05 -0400 To: Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Swerve or not to swerve At 04:42 PM 10/18/2005 -0400, Richard Westbrook wrote: >and immediately looked in my rear view to see the 4 or 5 cars behind all >swerving as they braked. Not locked up, but purposefully moving (partially) >onto the shoulder and open lanes. > >I have seen this a lot, but always believed that the fastest and safest way >to stop was to keep the car or bike straight. Is that right? On a bike, yes. If you brake hard with the bars turned you will almost certainly go down (even at low speed, though bike design will affect this to an extent). If you brake hard with the bars about straight but the bike leaned, you are not where the best tread is and will probably lose traction with less braking force. ERC teaches that you straighten up, then brake if you have to stop in a turn. In something with more wheels, not necessarily. You can turn and brake at the same time...but since your traction is being used for both, you can't necessarily do either with the same force you could separately. Most drivers aren't good enough to brake maximally without skidding (absent ABS) with or without steering at the same time. In any case, when people are following so closely that there isn't room to stop in a "panic stop" situation anyway, swerving into an area with more room makes sense...unless the people in front of you pick the same "escape route". Around here people are almost always following too closely to stop in a panic stop situation (often under 1 second behind at peak traffic times), hence the tendency to dodge to the shoulder...and at least have the multi-car pile-up off the travel lanes. -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 18 17:22:38 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:22:33 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Richard Westbrook Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Swerve or not to swerve Cc: DC-Cycles True - the fastest stop is straight. They might have been swerving to: a) miss the car in front of them or b) to get out of the way of the car in front of them. I had a hairy situation like this at the end of the HOV lanes on 95 S one day. It's a left merge and traffic suddenly came to a stop. I braked, then swerved left onto the shoulder so the squealing locked wheels cager behind me wouldn't crush me into the car in front, only to find that another cager had swerved onto the left shoulder, negating my escape route. A little lane splitting and I was through, but it scared me and reinforced that sometimes an escape route isn't going to remain as it is when you spot it. On 10/18/05, Richard Westbrook wrote: > I thought of something this morning as I nearly got rear ended on the toll > road. My lane came to a sudden stop and I had to hit the brakes pretty hard > and immediately looked in my rear view to see the 4 or 5 cars behind all > swerving as they braked. Not locked up, but purposefully moving (partially) > onto the shoulder and open lanes. > > I have seen this a lot, but always believed that the fastest and safest way > to stop was to keep the car or bike straight. Is that right? > > > -Rich > vfr750 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 18 21:28:59 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] innie or outie To: DCCycles I prefer gaunlets to non. I have worn them both ways and had no problem with them either way. --- Mike Troutman wrote: > Aaron Maurer wrote: > > >I've always found "outie" easier to deal with in > putting on the gloves/jacket. > > > >Anyone have a preference for one way over the > other? Is there > >something I'm not considering (e.g., safety)? > > > >Any suggestions for gloves? > > > > > > > 1) I prefer gauntlets. When you are moving, rain > will rarely run down > inside of them unless you are dead stopped for a > long period of time. I > rainproofed mine, which also sealed off tiny drafts > and made them even > warmer. > 2) Buy both. > > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 19 08:52:08 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'DCAaron Maurer'" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:52:31 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Keeping Warm: innie or outie Maurer Averred: "I'm about to buy a new set of winter gloves. Any suggestions for gloves?" I second Troutman's: "I prefer gauntlets. When you are moving, rain will rarely run down inside of them unless you are dead stopped for a long period of time." In umpty-ump years of riding, I've tried dang near everything: ski gloves, silk liners, motorcycle mittens (had to special order), water-proof over-mittens, Hippo Hands (great for around town), grip heaters (second to electric gloves) and various flavors of winter motorcycle gloves. All help but there is nothing as cozy as electric gloves. Yeah, they're expensive and I was lucky to find a pair of Gerbings for $25 at a Heyser's clearance sale Keeping the rest of your sorry carcass warm will also help keep your digits warm. Ergo: Keeping Warm: Polartec is the cat's (warm) pajamas: My Polartec 200 sweater fits under my 'Stich and is good down to ~ 35F (with a wind shield) Ditto Polartec pants. Neck warmer: Mosey into a fabric store (e.g. G Street) that carries Polartec and buy a 12" swatch of Polartec "WindBloc". Add a tube of fabric glue and a length of 1" wide Velcro. Snip the Polartec in half yielding two 12" X ~24" strips. Don your helmet, wrap one strip around your neck, and mark where one end meets the other side. Glue the fuzzy strip of Velcro to one end, and the hooked strip at the mark. When it dries, you can wrap the neck warmer around your neck and Velcro it in place. Keep the other half as a spare or as a holiday gift. In second place: Grip heaters are great with any gloves. Get the over-the-grip heaters for immediate relief. Put a switch on your left mirror stalk within thumb reach unless you opt for a Heat Troller. > (Drop a hint for Xmas ) See wiring your bike below (snipped from my September 2004 posting.) Any bulky glove with a large gauntlet is difficult to keep in a pocket. Years ago, after I lost a Bates (& they wouldn't sell me one glove) I put bootstrings on all of my big gloves. The string fits around my neck during and after driving. When you park, the hanging glove provides a handy pocket for keys and shades. Levers: You compress the glove insulation with both the grip and the levers. So, heat can escape more easily. To reduce the heat loss, insulate your grips with foam grips and insulate your levers with whatever-you-can. Years ago, someone sold ridged shrink tubing for levers and I have 'em on my Sabre. Alas, the shrink stuff is no longer available. Before that, I insulated the levers on my Suzuki with high density foam and duct table. It looked pretty scruffy but after all, it was a year-round DC commuter bike. Wiring: Radio Shack also has some 10 gauge water-resistant blade-fuse holders. I've simply soldered a ring connector to one end to hook to the positive battery terminal. That keeps the unfused segment short. You should also consider putting a relay twixt the fuse and the electrics. Use an ignition-switched source to switch the relay on and off so, you don't drain the battery accidentally if you leave your gloves attached. Put a switch (or HeatTroller) between the ignition-switched source and the relay. With shorter days, everyone should consider adding driving lights for both greater illumination of the road (& horny horned forest vermin) as well as greater conspicuousness to the BDCs. You can use the same wiring scheme (battery-> Fuse -> relay -> lights: Ignition -> switch -> relay) for your lights. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. OGM #008 '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahora); '83 VF700F (666); 96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 19 09:05:41 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:05:31 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Swerve or not to swerve On 10/18/05, Aaron Maurer wrote: > True - the fastest stop is straight. They might have been swerving > to: a) miss the car in front of them or b) to get out of the way of > the car in front of them. ...Or c) To give the idiots behind them room to stop without rear ending him. I generally end up having to do this when I need to do an "emergency stop" in the truck. People can't see around me and don't realize this, so they get no warning other than my brake lights. When I smack the brakes and I have someone on my ass, I'll pull over as I'm stopping if possible. My old truck had been rear-ended THIRTEEN times since moving to DC because of morons who follow too close. No ABS on that one, so I couldn't do much other than stop in a straight line if I locked up the wheels. With the new truck's ABS, I can get the hell out of the way. BTW... I have had people go right past where I was and hit the car in front of me when I've done this. Better them than me, no matter what I'm driving. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 19 10:58:34 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:58:34 -0400 To: you@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Swerve or not to swerve At 09:05 AM 10/19/2005 -0400, smthng else wrote: >BTW... I have had people go right past where I was and hit the car in >front of me when I've done this. Better them than me, no matter what >I'm driving. I agree...but don't forget to yell, "Ole!" as they go by. ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 20 11:39:28 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:39:13 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Swerve or not to swerve Somebody - I think on this list - told of avoiding a rear-ender by pulling onto the shoulder and rolling up next the car that had been in front of him. The car driver, who wasn't paying attention (no, really!), looked out the window and said to him: "Looks like you didn't get too fa ..." WHAM! And he took the hit. Good reminder to follow the time-honored mammalian survival trait: be small, fast, and Stay The Hell Out Of The Way! :-) Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mike B." Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:58:34 -0400 >At 09:05 AM 10/19/2005 -0400, smthng else wrote: > >>BTW... I have had people go right past where I was and hit the car in >>front of me when I've done this. Better them than me, no matter what >>I'm driving. > >I agree...but don't forget to yell, "Ole!" as they go by. ;-) > > >-- >-- Mike B. > >'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > >Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 20 13:25:33 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:22:28 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles CC: dstegon@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Killed on a curve? This article in the MJM leaves a lot of facts unclear to me. Was the Suburban on the wrong side of the road? Was this a one lane road? I am left with the impression that the motorcycle was speeding and this was a major factor in the accident, yet the rider was only thrown 15 feet - a very short distance for a high speed accident. Unfortunately, I have seen many articles with statements such as "The motorcycle struck the van." when in fact the van pulled out in front of the motorcycle, causing the accident. The wording, indicating otherwise. * =============== Wreck leaves one dead * By DAVID STEGON Wednesday, October 19, 2005 They sped down Parkgate Drive, whizzing past farms and cows on their high-performance motorcycles, when one of them accelerated down a straightaway toward a slight right turn. Coming the other way around the bend though was a blue Chevrolet Suburban, whose driver had little time to stop, crashing into 22-year-old Manassas-area resident William Scott Helbert III just after 2 p.m. Helbert of 11217 Smithfield Road was thrown 15 feet from his bike, which was travelling above the 45 mph speed limit, Prince William County police said. Helbert was pronounced dead at the scene, his body laying underneath a white sheet near the entrance to a farm at 11951 Parkgate Drive, about a half mile from Aden Road and a mile from Brentsville District High School. The other motorcycle driver, whose name was not released by police, was not injured. He was driving well behind Helbert, who sped in front of him just before being hit, said Officer John Bogert, a department spokesman. The driver of the Suburban, who's name also was not released by police, will not face criminal charges, police said. The wreck was the 21st fatal accident in Prince William County this year, said 1st Sgt. Chris Feather, head of the police crash investigation unit. Attempts by the Potomac News & Manassas Journal Messenger to reach Helbert's family were unsuccessful Tuesday evening. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 20 15:02:34 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:02:18 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: mike@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Killed on a curve? It's not a single-lane road. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=11951+parkgate+dr.+Nokesville,+VA&spn=0.006524,0.021730&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en Dunno about the other facts, but the story does seem to have a slant... "whizzing," "high performance motorcycles," etc. On 10/20/05, Mike Troutman wrote: > This article in the MJM leaves a lot of facts unclear to me. Was the > Suburban on the wrong side of the road? Was this a one lane road? I am > left with the impression that the motorcycle was speeding and this was a > major factor in the accident, yet the rider was only thrown 15 feet - a > very short distance for a high speed accident. > > Unfortunately, I have seen many articles with statements such as "The > motorcycle struck the van." when in fact the van pulled out in front of > the motorcycle, causing the accident. The wording, indicating otherwise. > > * > =============== > > Wreck leaves one dead > * > By DAVID STEGON > Wednesday, October 19, 2005 > > They sped down Parkgate Drive, whizzing past farms and cows on their > high-performance motorcycles, when one of them accelerated down a > straightaway toward a slight right turn. > > Coming the other way around the bend though was a blue Chevrolet > Suburban, whose driver had little time to stop, crashing into > 22-year-old Manassas-area resident William Scott Helbert III just after > 2 p.m. > > Helbert of 11217 Smithfield Road was thrown 15 feet from his bike, which > was travelling above the 45 mph speed limit, Prince William County > police said. > > Helbert was pronounced dead at the scene, his body laying underneath a > white sheet near the entrance to a farm at 11951 Parkgate Drive, about a > half mile from Aden Road and a mile from Brentsville District High School. > > The other motorcycle driver, whose name was not released by police, was > not injured. He was driving well behind Helbert, who sped in front of > him just before being hit, said Officer John Bogert, a department spokesman. > > The driver of the Suburban, who's name also was not released by police, > will not face criminal charges, police said. > > The wreck was the 21st fatal accident in Prince William County this > year, said 1st Sgt. Chris Feather, head of the police crash > investigation unit. > > Attempts by the Potomac News & Manassas Journal Messenger to reach > Helbert's family were unsuccessful Tuesday evening. > > > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 20 15:15:38 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Killed on a curve? To: DC Cycles No, it's probably not single-lane, but I'd guess it doesn't have a yellow stripe down the center. I've ridden a fair amount out that way, and those smaller roads get pretty small pretty fast. --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > It's not a single-lane road. > > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=11951+parkgate+dr.+Nokesville,+VA&spn=0.006524,0.021730&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en > > Dunno about the other facts, but the story does seem > to have a > slant... "whizzing," "high performance motorcycles," > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 20 15:32:30 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:32:16 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Killed on a curve? Cc: DC Cycles > No, it's probably not single-lane, but I'd guess it > doesn't have a yellow stripe down the center. Google earth doesn't show a stripe when you zoom in. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 20 16:01:38 2005 From: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Killed on a curve? Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:01:08 -0400 Wasn't there another service that you could zoom in a LOT closer to ground level? I recall using some free service a while back that I could actually see my house from only about 500ft up. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 20 16:13:33 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:13:24 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: chris01@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] To Swerve or not to swerve Cc: DC-Cycles as well as be aware of your surroundings. Been trying to tell a friend of mine to put his mirrors back on his bike. On 10/20/05, Chris Norloff wrote: > Somebody - I think on this list - told of avoiding a rear-ender by pulling onto the shoulder and rolling up next the car that had been in front of him. > > The car driver, who wasn't paying attention (no, really!), looked out the window and said to him: > > "Looks like you didn't get too fa ..." WHAM! And he took the hit. > > Good reminder to follow the time-honored mammalian survival trait: be small, fast, and Stay The Hell Out Of The Way! > > :-) > Chris > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Mike B." > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:58:34 -0400 > > >At 09:05 AM 10/19/2005 -0400, smthng else wrote: > > > >>BTW... I have had people go right past where I was and hit the car in > >>front of me when I've done this. Better them than me, no matter what > >>I'm driving. > > > >I agree...but don't forget to yell, "Ole!" as they go by. ;-) > > > > > >-- > >-- Mike B. > > > >'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > > >Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > >is better. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 21 10:47:15 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:47:00 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Hayabusa engined AWD race vehicle Wayne, in particular, I thought you might be interested in this. (if you haven't already seen it). As posted on the VFR list. "This is a fascinating BLOG detailing one man's "masters degree" project, beginning with a pencil sketch and ending, he hopes, with a limited production vehicle comprising a twin-Hayabusa V8 powered single seat, AWD race car - a 4/3 scale shifter kart - as he describes it. Note the time line -a little over 3 years - and the progress." http://dpcars.aprsworld.com/dp1/index.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 21 14:13:08 2005 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:12:57 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Falling like Dominoes. Stray Dog Causes Deaths Of 4 Bikers On Way To Daytona POSTED: 2:22 pm EDT October 20, 2005 OSTEEN, Fla. -- Troopers say a stray dog in the road began a series of chain reaction accidents that killed four motorcyclists. Investigators said that the motorcyclists were riding on a rural road on their way to the first day of the 4-day Biketoberfest motorcycle festival in Daytona Beach. Investigators say one motorcycle wiped out after hitting the stray dog on State Road 415 just north of Deltona, causing another motorcyclist to lose control. Another biker and his female passenger stopped to help when two Honda Civics crashed into them. Authorities said a 44-year-old man, his 36-year-old wife and the 47-year-old woman who stopped to help were killed. A fourth person later died at a Daytona Beach hospital. A fifth person was treated and released. Troopers say the cars that hit the motorcycles weren't speeding. It was not known if the dog that was hit was killed or survived the accident. Copyright 2005 by Local10.com. All rights reserved. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 21 16:40:54 2005 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:38:35 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Pressure gauge http://blogs.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/10212005093458MWEAWE.htm This is a pretty cool little device. It monitors tire air pressure from within the tire, and reports it wirelessy to a dash mounted receiver. It also has outdoor temp and current time. Too bad it is $529. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 21 18:36:13 2005 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:36:03 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pressure gauge > http://blogs.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/10212005093458MWEAWE.htm > > This is a pretty cool little device. It monitors tire air pressure from > within the tire, and reports it wirelessy to a dash mounted receiver. Works much better than the original wired version. Another similar system is the Smartire (www.smartire.com) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 21 19:32:41 2005 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Killed on a curve? To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles Kevin O'Grince operates a small paint and body shop at one end of Parkgate Drive. The answers I give are according to his description of what happened. Both riders stopped in at his shop before the accident occurred. --- Mike Troutman wrote: > This article in the MJM leaves a lot of facts > unclear to me. Was the > Suburban on the wrong side of the road? The Suburban was not on the wrong side of the road; the motorcycle failed to stay on the right in a right hand curve. > Was this a > one lane road? Parkgate is a small paved road with room for two vehicles, but no yellow lines. > I am > left with the impression that the motorcycle was > speeding and this was a > major factor in the accident, He was riding a ZX10 and had just put an oversized rear sprocket on. Before entering the curve, he passed the other bike at what I understood to be above 90, he also looked back at the bike as he passed. > yet the rider was only > thrown 15 feet - a > very short distance for a high speed accident. Perhaps he and the bike slid down the road together. > > Unfortunately, I have seen many articles with > statements such as "The > motorcycle struck the van." when in fact the van > pulled out in front of > the motorcycle, causing the accident. The wording, > indicating otherwise. > > * > =============== > > Wreck leaves one dead > * > By DAVID STEGON > Wednesday, October 19, 2005 > > They sped down Parkgate Drive, whizzing past farms > and cows on their > high-performance motorcycles, when one of them > accelerated down a > straightaway toward a slight right turn. > This is where he passed the other bike. > Coming the other way around the bend though was a > blue Chevrolet > Suburban, whose driver had little time to stop, > crashing into > 22-year-old Manassas-area resident William Scott > Helbert III just after > 2 p.m. > > Helbert of 11217 Smithfield Road was thrown 15 feet > from his bike, which > was travelling above the 45 mph speed limit, Prince > William County > police said. > > Helbert was pronounced dead at the scene, his body His head hit the A-piller of the Suburban. > laying underneath a > white sheet near the entrance to a farm at 11951 > Parkgate Drive, about a > half mile from Aden Road and a mile from Brentsville > District High School. > > The other motorcycle driver, whose name was not > released by police, was > not injured. He was driving well behind Helbert, who > sped in front of > him just before being hit, said Officer John Bogert, > a department spokesman. > > The driver of the Suburban, who's name also was not > released by police, > will not face criminal charges, police said. > > The wreck was the 21st fatal accident in Prince > William County this > year, said 1st Sgt. Chris Feather, head of the > police crash > investigation unit. > > Attempts by the Potomac News & Manassas Journal > Messenger to reach > Helbert's family were unsuccessful Tuesday evening. > > > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 23 06:48:29 2005 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pressure gauge On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Mike Troutman wrote: > http://blogs.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/10212005093458MWEAWE.htm > > This is a pretty cool little device. It monitors tire air pressure from > within the tire, and reports it wirelessy to a dash mounted receiver. > It also has outdoor temp and current time. Too bad it is $529. Tire Rack sells a tire pressure monitoring system for $229. http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/smartire/smartire_all.jsp Lots of cars come with them from the factory, I'm surprised MC manufacturers haven't stepped up. It's really convenient, saves gas, tires and helps idiots who never check their tire pressure :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 23 10:08:12 2005 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:08:04 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Pressure gauge Cc: DCCycles I wonder if any cars have a set up that can easily be pulled and transferred over to a MC.. I surely make a trip to the JY for that! On 10/23/05, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Mike Troutman wrote: > > > http://blogs.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/10212005093458MWEAWE.htm > > > > This is a pretty cool little device. It monitors tire air pressure from > > within the tire, and reports it wirelessy to a dash mounted receiver. > > It also has outdoor temp and current time. Too bad it is $529. > > Tire Rack sells a tire pressure monitoring system for $229. > > http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/smartire/smartire_all.jsp > > Lots of cars come with them from the factory, I'm surprised MC > manufacturers haven't stepped up. It's really convenient, saves gas, > tires and helps idiots who never check their tire pressure :-) > > -- Wayne > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 23 22:01:40 2005 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:01:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Keeping Warm: [plus, handgrip warmers fs] To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" , "'DCAaron Maurer'" From: "garcia oliver" "Custer, Carl" writes: >innie or outie > [various snips throughout] > > >Neck warmer: >Mosey into a fabric store (e.g. G Street) that carries Polartec and buy a >12" swatch of Polartec "WindBloc". Add a tube of fabric glue and a length >of 1" wide Velcro. Snip the Polartec in half yielding two 12" X ~24" >strips. Don your helmet, wrap one strip around your neck, and mark where >one end meets the other side. Glue the fuzzy strip of Velcro to one end, >and the hooked strip at the mark. >When it dries, you can wrap the neck warmer around your neck and Velcro it >in place. Keep the other half as a spare or as a holiday gift. fwiw, i find that my twice-wrapped scarf works well enough: cold neck's never the rate-limiting step. > > >In second place: Grip heaters are great with any gloves. Get the >over-the-grip heaters for immediate relief. Put a switch on your left >mirror stalk within thumb reach unless you opt for a Heat Troller. > > >(Drop a hint for Xmas ) I have for sale: handlebar heater kit for motorcycle or snowmobile. Contains two ceramic heaters, switch, grommets, fiberglass, and instructions. Heating elements fit inside the (standard motorcycle 7/8 inch) bar and require drilling a small hole for the wires. Quite reliable (I’ve used the same one 4 or 5 winters), except for the plastic on/off switch which I replaced with a metal one after a year. Takes about 10 minutes before you feel heat. Installation takes about an hour, if you’re reasonably handy. $20, NW DC, near Zoo. Will ship, if necessary, for $5. > > >Levers: >You compress the glove insulation with both the grip and the levers. So, >heat can escape more easily. To reduce the heat loss, insulate your grips >with foam grips and insulate your levers with whatever-you-can. Years >ago, >someone sold ridged shrink tubing for levers and I have 'em on my Sabre. >Alas, the shrink stuff is no longer available. Before that, I insulated >the >levers on my Suzuki with high density foam and duct table. It looked >pretty >scruffy but after all, it was a year-round DC commuter bike. Even putting a couple of layers of athletic (bandage) tape on the lever makes a noticeable difference due to blocking direct glove-to-metal contact. And, with a little effort, it can look every bit as grungy as Carl's. --garcia Halliburton Corp. has received a contract to rehabilitate Vice President Richard “Big Dick” Cheney’s knees after his recent aneurysm surgery. The no-bid contract is worth an estimated 14.9 billion dollars. Publication of contract details has been forbidden under a secret section of the Patriot Act, but an anonymous Cheney spokesman said, “If the American public knew the details, I’m sure they would approve. Unfortunately, National Security sometimes requires secrecy, and this is one of those times.” > >Carl in Bethesda >Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through sun, rain, over >snow, and around road ragers. >OGM #008 >'85 VF700S (Rocin-ahora); >'83 VF700F (666); >96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" >Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: >http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 24 09:10:29 2005 Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Killed on a curve? Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:13:08 -0400 From: "lister lynch" To: , "DC-Cycles" Maybe USA PhotoMaps. jdmcox.com Mike ________________________________ From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Killed on a curve? Wasn't there another service that you could zoom in a LOT closer to ground level? I recall using some free service a while back that I could actually see my house from only about 500ft up. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 25 08:42:23 2005 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:42:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] More on the 1000cc Ride and other bits and pieces After almost 3000 miles I am feeling a little more in tune with the R1. It really is far too much bike for local riding, in terms of top speed. I have no idea how fast it can go as I have not taken it to the track as yet. I swapped the tires out for Pilot Powers and this made it feel like a whole new bike. We have come to an understanding about corners and seem to be working well together. I finally got used to the pressure on the wrists and I don't notice it as much anymore on long rides. I have been running the tire pressures per the manual 42 rear, 36 front and these seem to work well for me. Apart from the first service, checking pressures and lubing the chain the bike has not needed anything done to it. I am not ecstatic about the quality of the paint job, just taking a shop towel and polish to it has created light scratch lines. I don't enjoy taking a passenger as the pressure on the wrists is much more than when I was riding two-up on the R6. The bike does not feel that much faster in terms of acceleration and it seems to me that the 6 had more torque..then again I have not been exploring the bikes top end for obvious reasons. Would like to get in a track day or cornering school in on this ride. Check out this month's Bike magazine for some info on the new 675cc Triumph, pictures and a story about the Confederate HellCat and Wraith and a decent article on cornering. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 25 18:40:54 2005 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:40:45 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on the 1000cc Ride and other bits and pieces On 10/25/05, Julian Halton wrote: >I am not ecstatic about the > quality of the paint job, just taking a shop towel and polish to it has > created light scratch lines. I'm a bit anal about this, so take this with a grain of salt... I buy microfiber cloths in a bag of 12 at the local auto part store. Ones for paint get used once, then I mark them with a sharpie to make sure they never get used for again. If it hits the ground at any time, it's marked and I grab another. For the rest of the bike - rims, swingarm, frame, handlebars, etc - I use any cloth and don't mind using it more than once. But for soft paint panels, one shot only. > I don't enjoy taking a passenger as the > pressure on the wrists is much more than when I was riding two-up on the > R6. Easy solution... have the passenger hold herself up by putting her hands on the tank. Takes some educating (my wife still uses me), but if you can convince them, it makes life MUCH easier on you. This is not so easy for the passenger to reach the tank on a tourer, but on a sport bike, it's a breeze. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 05:54:04 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:53:54 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on the 1000cc Ride and other bits and pieces Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Or have her hold on to your belt. then the weight is on your hips, and not wrists and back From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 09:09:02 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More on the 1000cc Ride and other bits and pieces Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:08:49 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , I did the micro fiber route..and I am not that impressed. I used an old cotton t-shirt on my old bikes and did not see those minutes scratch marks, seems like the microfiber traps grit and uses it as an abrasive. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] More on the 1000cc Ride and other bits and pieces On 10/25/05, Julian Halton wrote: >I am not ecstatic about the > quality of the paint job, just taking a shop towel and polish to it >has created light scratch lines. I'm a bit anal about this, so take this with a grain of salt... I buy microfiber cloths in a bag of 12 at the local auto part store. Ones for paint get used once, then I mark them with a sharpie to make sure they never get used for again. If it hits the ground at any time, it's marked and I grab another. For the rest of the bike - rims, swingarm, frame, handlebars, etc - I use any cloth and don't mind using it more than once. But for soft paint panels, one shot only. > I don't enjoy taking a passenger as the pressure on the wrists is > much more than when I was riding two-up on the R6. Easy solution... have the passenger hold herself up by putting her hands on the tank. Takes some educating (my wife still uses me), but if you can convince them, it makes life MUCH easier on you. This is not so easy for the passenger to reach the tank on a tourer, but on a sport bike, it's a breeze. --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 10:37:20 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Schmidt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? Anyone know of a nice (scenic, twisty, non-traffic clogged, non-superslab for the most part) route from Alexandria to Roanoke? I’ve never been there before. Yahoo maps says that it will take me about 4 and a half hours if I take I-66 to I-81, but that sounds like absolutely no fun. I’ll have most of a day to do the ride, so I’m pretty open to suggestion. Thanks, Jeff 2003 Triumph Speed Four __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 10:52:58 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:52:51 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? > Anyone know of a nice (scenic, twisty, non-traffic > clogged, non-superslab for the most part) route from > Alexandria to Roanoke? BRP (Blue Ridge Parkway). Pick it up at the southern end of Skyline Drive just east of Waynesboro. My absolutely favorite motorcycle road in the world - 469 miles of gorgeous 2-lane with no traffic controls other than a fairly reasonable speed limit. One possible route would be to take I-66 out of Alexandria to route 15 in Haymarket. South on 15/29 to US250 south of Charlottesville and west to the BRP. Lots of interesting small stuff between Haymarket and Waynesboro, but you gotta make up some time somewhere. I tend not to use Skyline Drive because: #1 - it costs extra cash #2 - slow speed limit #3 - lots of eager rangers who don't seem to like motorcyclists. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 11:16:52 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning Anyone else get stuck in the mess on 267 this morning? My hands are still tired from feathering the clutch and throttle for 45 minutes. So, this morning I broke my habit of not lane-splitting on 267. Usually, HOV traffic moves reasonably well enough and the narrow (too narrow IMO) lanes don't make lane-splitting comfortable. But, the #1 reason I don't is the suicide cage drivers in N.VA. With traffic at a standstill, I started to slowly lane-split where I could fit. For the first time, I actually had a number of a**holes try to cut me off/hit me. Thought better about stopping the bike and putting the kickstand down for one self-righteous idiot that made it clear he felt I shouldn't slip by him. Took the shoulder to get around him and tried not to think twice. I enjoy riding in DC so very much more than in N.VA. DC folks seem to have an understanding that bikes "should" be entitled to a little more leeway in how they manuever through traffic. Related note - saw two bikes I recognized take to the Dulles access road to avoid sitting in traffic. I know this is illegal and I know folks have gotten tickets for it, but does anyone here have any personal thoughts on how LEOs treat motorcycles on the access road when the regular toll road is at a standstill? Dumb question probing for the unknown, but figure I'd ask. - Jimmy __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 11:27:11 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I-66 west to VA 647 (Marshall,30-40 miles) VA 647 south to US 522 (Flint Hill, ~20 miles) US 522 south to VA 231 (just outside of Sperryville) (~ 15 miles) VA 231 south to US 29 (Madison, VA) (~30 miles) US 29 south to VA 230 (2 miles) VA 230 west to US 33 (Standardsville, ~20 miles) US 33 west to VA 810 (1 mile) VA 810 south to US 250 through Crozet (20-30 miles) US 250 west to Blue Ridge Parkway (BRP) at Rockfish Gap (~20 miles) BRP south to Roanoke. You can get off the BRP in Roanoke at Mill Mountain and work your way into the city or jump off on US 220 and come north back into the city. Glenn --- Jeff Schmidt wrote: > Anyone know of a nice (scenic, twisty, non-traffic > clogged, non-superslab for the most part) route from > Alexandria to Roanoke? I’ve never been there > before. > Yahoo maps says that it will take me about 4 and a > half hours if I take I-66 to I-81, but that sounds > like absolutely no fun. I’ll have most of a day to > do > the ride, so I’m pretty open to suggestion. > > Thanks, > Jeff > 2003 Triumph Speed Four > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 11:29:47 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The route I just suggested has you skimming the bottom of the mountain right next to Skyline and working your way to the BRP and staying off of boring (and cop infested) US 29. --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > One possible route would be to take I-66 out of > Alexandria to route 15 > in Haymarket. South on 15/29 to US250 south of > Charlottesville and > west to the BRP. > > Lots of interesting small stuff between Haymarket > and Waynesboro, but > you gotta make up some time somewhere. > > I tend not to use Skyline Drive because: > #1 - it costs extra cash > #2 - slow speed limit > #3 - lots of eager rangers who don't seem to like > motorcyclists. > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 11:39:17 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow, thanks for all the responses everyone! They're much appreciated. Now I just need to sit down with a map to plan it out. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > The route I just suggested has you skimming the > bottom > of the mountain right next to Skyline and working > your > way to the BRP and staying off of boring (and cop > infested) US 29. > > --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > > One possible route would be to take I-66 out of > > Alexandria to route 15 > > in Haymarket. South on 15/29 to US250 south of > > Charlottesville and > > west to the BRP. > > > > Lots of interesting small stuff between Haymarket > > and Waynesboro, but > > you gotta make up some time somewhere. > > > > I tend not to use Skyline Drive because: > > #1 - it costs extra cash > > #2 - slow speed limit > > #3 - lots of eager rangers who don't seem to like > > motorcyclists. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:18:05 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:17:57 -0400 Are you talking about in-bound after the toll plaza? I know someone that's done that before. I'd get up to speed quick as there is a heavy LEO presence just after that. My office might move out there, I'll probably get pulled over for that someday. Thanks office, no Metro, no HOV out there, coming from the city. >From: "James O'Connor" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) > >Related note - saw two bikes I recognized take to the Dulles access >road to avoid sitting in traffic. I know this is illegal and I know >folks have gotten tickets for it, but does anyone here have any >personal thoughts on how LEOs treat motorcycles on the access road >when the regular toll road is at a standstill? Dumb question probing >for the unknown, but figure I'd ask. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:24:47 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:24:38 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? On 10/26/05, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > VA 810 south to US 250 through Crozet (20-30 miles) > > US 250 west to Blue Ridge Parkway (BRP) at Rockfish > Gap (~20 miles) > Good route. If you want to delay getting to the BRP a little, I also like to take a left onto VA 6 about halfway up Afton Mtn. on US250. Follow 6 to 56, which gets really tight and passes Crabtree Falls, which is a nice place to take a break. US501 between the BRP and the town of Glasgow is a nice romp too. It's hard work to find a bad or boring road in that area, unless you take 29 or I-81. Extra credit to Jeff if he comes back having learned the proper pronunciation of the following place names in that part of the world: Buchanan Botetourt Staunton --------------- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:36:07 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:35:51 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > I-66 west to VA 647 (Marshall,30-40 miles) awww, go thru Clifton first, and then Braddock Road to 28. cross 28 and bear right immediately. I think it's Oak Post Road or something like that. Pick up US29 west. Go 1 traffic light (I think) and turn north to Haymarket. Pick up RT 55 and take it to Marshall. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:42:14 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:42:07 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning Coffee in the morning at the Exxon on Rudder Road and gas in the afternoon. Where did the bikes transition to the inner lanes? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:43:15 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Meant the eastbound airport section between 28 and 7 (the two main toll booths if you're on 267). There isn't any reason to jump on the aiport section that is east of 7, as traffic normally flows well past the toll booth, access to the airport road is difficult and obviously illegal coming out of the booth, and you're correct that there is often a LEO sitting at the end of the airport section where it hits 267. which makes a good point, if i were to use the airport access road, i better make sure i get off of it at the exit immediately after the booth at 7 ! If your office does move out to western Fairfax/Loudoun, depending on where you live, you may have a very ugly commute. In the evenings, eastbound 267 from 495 into DC is at a standstill everyday :( . - Jimmy --- rich hall wrote: > Are you talking about in-bound after the toll plaza? I know > someone that's > done that before. I'd get up to speed quick as there is a heavy > LEO > presence just after that. My office might move out there, I'll > probably get > pulled over for that someday. Thanks office, no Metro, no HOV out > there, > coming from the city. > > >From: "James O'Connor" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning > >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Related note - saw two bikes I recognized take to the Dulles > access > >road to avoid sitting in traffic. I know this is illegal and I > know > >folks have gotten tickets for it, but does anyone here have any > >personal thoughts on how LEOs treat motorcycles on the access road > >when the regular toll road is at a standstill? Dumb question > probing > >for the unknown, but figure I'd ask. > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:48:59 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:48:42 -0400 Which is why one would be tempted to hop over after the toll plaza. We have an office in DC & Tysons, the Tysons one is moving to Reston. I might be asking to go back to the DC office at that point. >From: James O'Connor >To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) > >If your office does move out to western Fairfax/Loudoun, depending on >where you live, you may have a very ugly commute. In the evenings, >eastbound 267 from 495 into DC is at a standstill everyday :( . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:49:25 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:49:14 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Jeff Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? Cc: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Now I just need to sit down with a > map to plan it out. Map? As in paper? (shudder) I can give you the GPS waypoints (you DO have a GPS, don't you?) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:51:27 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:51:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sneaky...I didn't know of any moto riders that did this. I live only 2 miles from Dulles and while it is the opposite direction, would likely make a worthwhile detour. Not sure how many folks fly out of/into Dulles via a motorcyle, so am cautious that it would work everyday. Seeing the same car everyday is less likely to raise awareness than seeing the same motorcylce. I worked with someone who lived in purceville and would get coffee in the morning and gas in the evening, but she drove a camry. Being on a recongnizable bike like my green zrx with givi would make me stand out everyday. One bike passed me on it, so he'd gotten on it somewhere between exits 9 and 12. The other jumped out of traffic and followed a Connector bus around exit 13... :\ - Jimmy --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Coffee in the morning at the Exxon on Rudder Road and gas in the > afternoon. > > Where did the bikes transition to the inner lanes? > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:54:38 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:54:31 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > so am cautious that it would work everyday If you pick up something that the Airport Exxon, you are conducting business at the airport and are thereby a legal user of the road. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 12:59:34 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:59:24 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What's wrong with motos in the airport-only lanes? I use 'em every time I ride the moto to Dulles to catch a flight. :) And as Michael J. suggests, the definition of "airport user" is extremely broad. On 10/26/05, James O'Connor wrote: > > Related note - saw two bikes I recognized take to the Dulles access > road to avoid sitting in traffic. I know this is illegal and I know > folks have gotten tickets for it, but does anyone here have any > personal thoughts on how LEOs treat motorcycles on the access road > when the regular toll road is at a standstill? Dumb question probing > for the unknown, but figure I'd ask. > > - Jimmy > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 13:05:12 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:04:59 -0400 To: "James O'Connor" , Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning At 09:51 AM 10/26/2005 -0700, James O'Connor wrote: >Sneaky...I didn't know of any moto riders that did this. I live only >2 miles from Dulles and while it is the opposite direction, would >likely make a worthwhile detour. You don't have to be flying in or out to use the accessway so far as I know. You just need to have business at the airport. Flying in or out is the most common business, but there are others possible, such as shipping packages, civil aircraft dealings or maybe even shopping. I don't know if employees get to use it or not. Having a receipt for something purchased there should prove that you had business, right? ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 13:05:34 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:05:27 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? Bottom line - there really are no bad roads out there - it's just that some are better than others :-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 13:08:52 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've heard that if an LEO sees the same vehicle going to or from the Exxon via the access road everyday at the same time, they'll ask what business they have there. In a car that looks like every other, I can see the coffee/gas idea working. However, I can't imagine me taking the access road to "get coffee" or "get gas" would work on a motorcycle. What business would I actually have to go to the Exxon in the AM, get a coffee and then get onto the access road into DC when in all reality, I should've gotten onto 267 from the Exxon to go into DC? In the evening, it may be even more difficult to explain why I got on the access road way down before 7, to get gas at the Exxon at Dulles? Just playing devil's advocate. I all for trying to give my motorcycling self an edge in dealing with the commute. But, I find it hard to believe having a receipt for coffee or telling the LEO to "trust me, I'm going to get gas at the Exxon" would truly work on a daily basis. Thoughts? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > What's wrong with motos in the airport-only lanes? I use 'em every > time I ride the moto to Dulles to catch a flight. :) And as > Michael > J. suggests, the definition of "airport user" is extremely broad. > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 13:13:38 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:13:31 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning Cc: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In order to tag you for illegal use of the airport road, the police have to observe you entering the airport property, transiting such and exiting the property without having stopped to conduct business of any sort. They have to establish an unbroken surveillance timeline - if they lose sight of you, they can no longer tag you. Stopping at the Exxon for gas, a Subway, coke, coffee, newspaper, whatever is "conducting business" - this from the lips of the Chief of Airport Police on a TV news interview. Been commuting from Sterling to Tyson's for almost 22 years now. Various routes. I even had "Dulles Access Road Commuter" stickers on my car and bike before they built the toll road. Cost a buck - one of the best bucks I ever spent :-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 13:39:33 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:39:27 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs I took the unheardof step of entering "Dulles Access Road" into Google and dredged up this... :) "The Dulles Access Highway is restricted to airport use only. All vehicles on the Access Highway must be going to or coming from Dulles Airport on airport business." (sniff, sniff) Smells like a "policy" to me. http://www.metwashairports.com/Dulles/maps.htm The access road (and the whole right-of-way) is owned by the Airport Authority. VDOT leases the land used by the Toll Road. And there's this from Dr. Squidlock: Thursday, March 3, 2005; Page LZ06 Dear Dr. Gridlock: When there is an accident or bad weather that ties up traffic on the Dulles Toll Road, the powers that be should open up the Dulles Access Road to all commuters. We paid for it and should be able to use it if needed. Two lanes for traffic each way on the access road is too much; you hardly see enough traffic on it to warrant even one lane each way. Maria J. Verdon Sterling ---- You raise two questions: How about opening the access road during accident or weather congestion, and why isn't there more public access to what seems to be an under-used access road? The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, which owns the access road, does allow all vehicles to use the road if the Virginia State Police request it, according to Tara Hamilton, authority spokeswoman. If you see an incident where the access road should be opened for emergency traffic--but isn't--send me the details and I'll inquire. Over the years many citizens and legislators have proposed opening the access road for commuter traffic, at least during rush hours. The authority's answer is always the same: No. The road was built for convenient, quick travel to and from Dulles International Airport. Allowances for general public use would impinge on that mission. Dr. Gridlock supports that position. For those new to the area, the Dulles Toll Road is open to all vehicles, while the parallel, four-lane Dulles Access Road is restricted to motorists with business at the airport. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 14:05:53 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:05:44 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning Cc: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I've heard that if an LEO sees the same vehicle going to or from the > Exxon via the access road everyday at the same time, they'll ask what > business they have there. They can ask - a reply of "going about my business" is all the reply that they deserve. > In the evening, it may be even more difficult to explain why I got on > the access road way down before 7, to get gas at the Exxon at Dulles? I get on the access road from 495. You have no need to explain - the onus is on the authorities to show that you infringed on the law. Are you telling me that I CAN'T buy my gas from the airport Exxon? For a while, they were placing people under the Rt28 bridge with laptops collecting license plate numbers of people passing under the bridge. After a period of time, threatening letters were sent to some of those people (I know one who received such a letter - and it wasn't me). To the best of my knowledge, nothing ever went past the "nasty letter" stage, as merely using the road on a daily basis is not proof that the regulations have been infringed. > But, I find it hard to believe having a receipt for coffee or telling the LEO to > "trust me, I'm going to get gas at the Exxon" would truly work on a > daily basis. Again - the LEO has no business stopping you prior to your departing the airport property without having conducted business. If they stop you upon entrance, they're fishing - shame on you if you swallow the hook. I give 'em my D/L, registration and CCW permit (the last being a courtesy on my part) and smile nicely at them. They WILL ask you leading questions in the hope that you'll give them something to work with. You are under no requirement to answer any of them. Actually, you're better off not saying a word. Consider - a right or privilege that you do not exercise is already lost. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 14:09:47 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:09:40 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs Cc: DCCycles On a side note - when the Access Road was proposed, the Commonwealth of Virginia was asked to contribute funds to the building of it. Virginny said "No". To which the Airport Authority replied "Then you can't play on our road" And so the situation stands today. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 14:11:52 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:11:38 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike DC Yeah, it's a beautiful day and since I cooked off a five mile run this morning, why not treat myself literally to a slice of some random work of dessert art from Cake Love on 15th and U St. Having read about the place umpteen times in the Post I thought it should be worth a try. Driving into the district from Arlington is always fun, I get to use every skill I learned on the MSF course at more. At least twice, I got to experience the classic scenario of the left turner that doesn't seem to quite want to look before they leap. And to the man in the Sears van that attempted to occupy the same space as I at a similar moment in time....You sir....are...a imbecile. Not to mention all the construction around Thomas Circle. I am back relatively unscathed, blood pressure slightly higher than average. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 14:25:58 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX it amazes me that so many people I run into have the mindset that they need permission from the gov't to do this or that. When did the mindset of living in the USSR ("your papers please") get drummed into our minds? (political comment about the relationship between schools and gov't deleted) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 14:38:56 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:38:46 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs MWAA police are quite serious, I also think you can get docked 3 points on your license for taking advantage of the access road. I used to work at Dulles and worked with people who were ticketed for infractions even while on airport business in "ramp equiped" (yellow light and ID signs) vehicles -Norris On 10/26/05, Paul Wilson wrote: > I took the unheardof step of entering "Dulles Access Road" into Google > and dredged up this... :) > > "The Dulles Access Highway is restricted to airport use only. All > vehicles on the Access Highway must be going to or coming from Dulles > Airport on airport business." > > (sniff, sniff) Smells like a "policy" to me. > > http://www.metwashairports.com/Dulles/maps.htm > > The access road (and the whole right-of-way) is owned by the Airport > Authority. VDOT leases the land used by the Toll Road. > > And there's this from Dr. Squidlock: > > Thursday, March 3, 2005; Page LZ06 > > Dear Dr. Gridlock: > > > When there is an accident or bad weather that ties up traffic on the > Dulles Toll Road, the powers that be should open up the Dulles Access > Road to all commuters. We paid for it and should be able to use it if > needed. > > Two lanes for traffic each way on the access road is too much; you > hardly see enough traffic on it to warrant even one lane each way. > > Maria J. Verdon > > Sterling > > ---- > > You raise two questions: How about opening the access road during > accident or weather congestion, and why isn't there more public access > to what seems to be an under-used access road? > > The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, which owns the access > road, does allow all vehicles to use the road if the Virginia State > Police request it, according to Tara Hamilton, authority spokeswoman. > If you see an incident where the access road should be opened for > emergency traffic--but isn't--send me the details and I'll inquire. > > Over the years many citizens and legislators have proposed opening the > access road for commuter traffic, at least during rush hours. The > authority's answer is always the same: No. The road was built for > convenient, quick travel to and from Dulles International Airport. > Allowances for general public use would impinge on that mission. Dr. > Gridlock supports that position. > > For those new to the area, the Dulles Toll Road is open to all > vehicles, while the parallel, four-lane Dulles Access Road is > restricted to motorists with business at the airport. > > > -- > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 14:41:15 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX My signature for most of my web groups includes the following line. "There is no better measure of a democratic societys evolution than the laws by which it lives."-Thom J. McEvoy I use it to point out how absurd parts of our society are. Makes me feel good to believe certain laws need not apply to me. But, I digress ;). I don't feel I need permission from the gov't to do anything. But, we should all probably pay certain attention to some of the rules and regs created by the gov't in order to reduce the likelihood of the gov't causing us undue hardship. Since the gov't has a rule for just about everything we do, makes sense they may ask for your papers from time to time if you're suspected of a violation. - Jimmy --- matthew patton wrote: > it amazes me that so many people I run into have the mindset that > they > need permission from the gov't to do this or that. When did the > mindset > of living in the USSR ("your papers please") get drummed into our > minds? > > (political comment about the relationship between schools and gov't > deleted) > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 14:45:28 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike DC To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX High blood pressure, direct ingestion of exhaust fumes, idiot commuters, random WAR ON TERROR police escorts fleeing to and from IAD, and aggravated delivery vehicles...I expect a shorter than average life ;) - Jimmy > Driving into the district from Arlington is always fun, I get to > use > every skill I learned on the MSF course at more. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 15:09:44 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:09:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "Dr. Corona" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs Cc: DCCycles > MWAA police are quite serious, I also think you can get docked 3 > points on your license for taking advantage of the access road. Yup - happened to me once. Drove in, transited the airport and drove out. Barely slowed down. Cop lit up behind me as I crossed over the Greenway on my way to 606. The only place in Virginny where this action will get you points. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 26 23:27:51 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:27:32 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Suggested Route to Roanoke? If you opt for Skyline or the BRP, a couple more caveats come to mind - This is leaf season, typically, as I understand, with murderous slow van traffic; and, on both, fuel is unavailable, dictating serious management involving stations off exits. I did the route this spring - avoided the first, not the second. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > So many roads bring smiles when no traffic. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --------- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Schmidt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Suggested Route to Roanoke? Anyone know of a nice (scenic, twisty, non-traffic clogged, non-superslab for the most part) route from Alexandria to Roanoke? I've never been there before. Yahoo maps says that it will take me about 4 and a half hours if I take I-66 to I-81, but that sounds like absolutely no fun. I'll have most of a day to do the ride, so I'm pretty open to suggestion. Thanks, Jeff 2003 Triumph Speed Four From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 27 00:03:17 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:03:00 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] 267 this morning From: "James O'Connor" . . .snip first time, I actually had a number of a**holes try to cut me off/hit me. Thought better about stopping the bike and putting the kickstand down for one self-righteous idiot that made it clear he felt I shouldn't slip by him. Took the shoulder to get around him and tried not to think twice. I enjoy riding in DC so very much more than in N.VA. DC folks seem to have an understanding that bikes "should" be entitled to a little more leeway in how they manuever through traffic. . . .snip Perhaps its change of seasons. Stopped at a light, headed north on Beauregard St. below Seminary, this p.m. The opposing traffic had a left-lane green, with many cars turning in front of our lane. Our light turned green, and myself and another car edged forward - just as the last left-turner whipped through, obviously on a red light, and *clearly displayed the finger to us* while throttling up, missing us by a couple of feet. It was so appalling I chuckled for 5 minutes. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Next time am going to dial 911. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 27 00:16:28 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:16:08 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Traffic, Scooters, etc. In the occasional "Cars" section (40 pages), The New York Times today had pieces of varying interest to riders: New scooters Traffic congestion solutions British drivers licensing Crash protection Injury prevention Holiday traffic statistics Cabin distractions And other auto-related topics. Go to nytimes.com and use the search function - may require registration. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > The future just isn't what it used to be Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 27 07:45:15 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:45:07 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "W.S." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Suggested Route to Roanoke? Cc: DC-Cycles > and, on both, fuel is unavailable, True for Skyline - not true for the BRP. There are two fuel locations on the BRP - can give Lat/Long to anyone interested. They are about 150 miles apart - if I hit the BRP with a full tank on my GSX, I can *just* make it from gas stop to gas stop (with a LOT of paranoia - 160 miles to vapors). My VStrom has a larger tank and gives me about 230 miles to the oh shit point. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 27 08:00:45 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Suggested Route to Roanoke? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Not true for Skyline either. I know Big Meadows has gas, a Chevron station. There might be another one as well but I don't remember. --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > and, on both, fuel is unavailable, > > True for Skyline - not true for the BRP. There are > two fuel locations > on the BRP - can give Lat/Long to anyone interested. > They are about > 150 miles apart - if I hit the BRP with a full tank > on my GSX, I can > *just* make it from gas stop to gas stop (with a LOT > of paranoia - 160 > miles to vapors). My VStrom has a larger tank and > gives me about 230 > miles to the oh shit point. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 27 08:54:15 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Suggested Route to Roanoke? To: dcCycles I would second Matt's suggestion of 55 out of Alexandria. From what I've seen of it less LEO's more twisty than 66, which it parallels, but the downside is that you drive through lots more small towns and vilages where speed limits drop. This though to me is a much more pleasureable ride than 66 any day of the week. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 27 13:20:17 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:20:03 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours I wouldn't stop riding for any reason in the world. That said, there are a few annoyances that are part and parcel of this thing of ours and because I am bored here they are: - that random dude, matron, customer in the check out line that looks me up and down, informs me that they would love to have a motorcycle but their best friend \ uncle \ex-girlfriend was annihilated, shattered, destroyed and hung, drawn and quartered while being on a bike so it is much too dangerous. - catching my ear plug cord as I zip my jacket up, yanking my head sharply downwards and sending sonic shock waves deep into my inner ear - rummaging around my car for same ear plugs, helmet, sunglasses, gloves, chain lube, jacket and pressure gauge - that ONE DUDE in my building that always parks in my little spot whenever I take a lunch time ride - that co-worker that keeps badgering me "for a ride" even though one ass cheek is triple the width of the pillion seat - leaving my motorcycle key somewhere on a beautiful day; leaving my motorcycle key on my bike on a beautiful day - that first scratch, blemish, mark on the new ride - the adrenaline dump that engages when I look up from my lunch to see some dimwit trying to fit their car into the same parking space as my moto - paying attention and being smooth when filling it up, only to have the gas pump belch and send a stream of foul petrol jetting across the tank - forgetting my sun glasses when I have my clear visor, coming home from work at 2AM with my dark visor on and having to choose between flipping it up or missing that stealth pot hole and knackering myself against the tank From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 27 13:34:59 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > - that random dude, matron, customer in the check out line that looks keep ear plugs in or pretend they're still in. > - catching my ear plug cord as I zip my jacket up, yanking my head don't wear ear plugs with silly cords on them. *grin* > - rummaging around my car for same ear plugs, helmet, sunglasses, > gloves, chain lube, jacket and pressure gauge you do have a closet with a shelf? I rarely lube the chain. I used to use Scott Oilers. Great gadget. The tire pressure gauge rides along everywhere under the seat. > - that ONE DUDE in my building that always parks in my little spot > whenever I take a lunch time ride want to go cow^h^h^h bike tipping? > - that co-worker that keeps badgering me "for a ride" even though one > ass cheek is triple the width of the pillion seat how about a flash card that says "I said 'No'. RU stuck on stupid?" > - leaving my motorcycle key somewhere on a beautiful day; leaving my > motorcycle key on my bike on a beautiful day sounds like you need to have a system. Put it on a coiled cord on your wrist. Or put it in your jacket pocket. My key lives in either of exactly 2 spots : right side jacket pocket or in my sock drawer. > - that first scratch, blemish, mark on the new ride I don't bother to even think about scratches, let alone care to look for them. > - the adrenaline dump that engages when I look up from my lunch to > see > some dimwit trying to fit their car into the same parking space as my > moto park sideways? > - paying attention and being smooth when filling it up, only to have > the > gas pump belch and send a stream of foul petrol jetting across the > tank never happened to me. try a different pump. or don't fill it so full. Or just wipe the gas off with the towels. The window washing fluid in the buckets can rinse it off plenty well too. > - forgetting my sun glasses when I have my clear visor, coming home > from > work at 2AM with my dark visor on and having to choose between > flipping > it up or missing that stealth pot hole and knackering myself against > the tank Wear a semi-dark visor round the clock. Ok, not recommended but on anything besides some 2-bit road with no illumination, I can see plenty fine at night. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 27 13:49:33 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:47:57 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] wanted to buy cheap \borrow one beat up black beanie style helmet for Halloween costume Got a freakish mask, need a beanie to wear it with! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 28 10:14:40 2005 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:14:26 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours When I hear that story I tell one of my own - about a friend horribly burned and disfigured because he was in a car. Stopped at a red light and boxed in by traffic, he heard squealing tires behind him. If he was on a bike he could have moved forward but in the car he just had to sit there and get hit. All because he was in a car. It's not 100% true, but it often elicits comments along the lines of "well every vehicle has its dangers ..." Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Julian Halton" ... >I wouldn't stop riding for any reason in the world. That said, there are >a few annoyances that are part and parcel of this thing of ours and >because I am bored here they are: > >- that random dude, matron, customer in the check out line that looks me >up and down, informs me that they would love to have a motorcycle but >their best friend \ uncle \ex-girlfriend was annihilated, shattered, >destroyed and hung, drawn and quartered while being on a bike so it is >much too dangerous. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 06:14:57 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:14:45 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 10/27/05, matthew patton wrote: > > - that random dude, matron, customer in the check out line that looks > > keep ear plugs in or pretend they're still in. Say "yea..but who wants to live a long boring life, living like a pussy. When it's your time it's your time. I've been doing fine so far. a MC doesn't have a brain of it's own, if you dont' tell it to do anything stupid, it won't" > > - catching my ear plug cord as I zip my jacket up, yanking my head > > don't wear ear plugs with silly cords on them. *grin* Ditto. > > - rummaging around my car for same ear plugs, helmet, sunglasses, > > gloves, chain lube, jacket and pressure gauge > > you do have a closet with a shelf? I rarely lube the chain. I used to > use Scott Oilers. Great gadget. The tire pressure gauge rides along > everywhere under the seat. Get a cardboard box just big enough for all the MC crap. It's probably better not to leave valuable stuff in a car though. I've had friends who've had helmets and jackets stolen. Get a second box for other crap that needs to be in the car, jumper cables, oil, etc. Also comes to mind, rerouting that crankcase return hose. > > - that ONE DUDE in my building that always parks in my little spot > > whenever I take a lunch time ride > > want to go cow^h^h^h bike tipping? > > > - that co-worker that keeps badgering me "for a ride" even though one > > ass cheek is triple the width of the pillion seat > > how about a flash card that says "I said 'No'. RU stuck on stupid?" Tell her the bike has a 300 pound weight limit.. and get a no fat chicks sticker. > > - leaving my motorcycle key somewhere on a beautiful day; leaving my > > motorcycle key on my bike on a beautiful day > > sounds like you need to have a system. Put it on a coiled cord on your > wrist. Or put it in your jacket pocket. My key lives in either of > exactly 2 spots : right side jacket pocket or in my sock drawer. ditto. and ear plugs and sunglasses in the other pocket. > > - the adrenaline dump that engages when I look up from my lunch to > > see > > some dimwit trying to fit their car into the same parking space as my > > moto > > park sideways? park closer ot the line and HOPE they hit it, so you can get some cash and get your bike repainted to lose that scratch. > > - paying attention and being smooth when filling it up, only to have > > the > > gas pump belch and send a stream of foul petrol jetting across the > > tank > > never happened to me. try a different pump. or don't fill it so full. > Or just wipe the gas off with the towels. The window washing fluid in > the buckets can rinse it off plenty well too. Gas on the tank.. don't be such a pussy. When it spills down your crotch, and starts burning your equiptment, then you have a gripe! Change your fill technique! > > - forgetting my sun glasses when I have my clear visor, coming home > > from > > work at 2AM with my dark visor on and having to choose between > > flipping > > it up or missing that stealth pot hole and knackering myself against > > the tank > > Wear a semi-dark visor round the clock. Ok, not recommended but on > anything besides some 2-bit road with no illumination, I can see plenty > fine at night. Better yet use a hi-def amber shield in the day time, and it still will be reasonably ok at night. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 06:23:57 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:23:50 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX actually 2 quick corrections.. 1. park closer to the line, so the guy can hit it, do minimal damage yet be totalled, and paid off and you buy it back cheap, and get it repainted. All on his insurance companies dime. 2. don't wear sunglasses. If you crash you could damage your face/eyes with them. Get a hi def sheild, or a shield with a 'tear off' posts for a tinted screen like the racers use. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 10:19:47 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > 2. don't wear sunglasses. If you crash you could damage your > face/eyes with them. So I guess those of us with 20/400 vision (uncorrected) shouldn't wear eyeglasses inside our helmets either, eh? -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 10:34:19 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:34:02 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:19 AM 10/29/2005, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > 2. don't wear sunglasses. If you crash you could damage your > > face/eyes with them. > >So I guess those of us with 20/400 vision (uncorrected) shouldn't wear >eyeglasses >inside our helmets either, eh? > >-- Larry besides, there's *plenty* of sunglasses out there that are shatterproof. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 10:54:37 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:54:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ask your eye doctor what he recommends. Also get a second oppinion. Do you have any other options? If so consider it. If not, then I guess you're screwed if your glasses should damage your face/eye(s) in hte event of a crash. It would be pretty ignorant to not at least check and see if you have any other options available and assume you don't. You also may want to inquire about laser type of eye surgery if you haven't in the past couple of years. They seem to have some advancements and lower prices. A couple,two three, have had it done. One of my friends friend would spend a lot of cash for mods his bike and kept having contacts blow out. I convinced him that the money would be better spent getting his eyes fixed, than on mods. (would suck if you couldn't see and crashed and ruined those mods). Anyway he got the surgery and is very happy now. I think he spent $1500? I can agree with him, it's worth it. Luckily I never had to wear glasses, but that doesn't mean I can't share knowledge on the matter. I've read some posts of other people who crashed and hurt their face and won't use sunglasses under a helmet again. I highly recommend against it... that's what they make tinted visors for. tn 10/29/05, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > 2. don't wear sunglasses. If you crash you could damage your > > face/eyes with them. > > So I guess those of us with 20/400 vision (uncorrected) shouldn't wear eyeglasses > inside our helmets either, eh? > > -- Larry > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 10:55:31 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:55:24 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX meant to say a couple,two,three of my friends have had it done. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 11:03:27 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:03:20 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Unfortunately it's not the fact that they shatter that is the problem. it's the fact that a helmet can move around during the crash and thus move the glasses around and push them into your face/eye area. On 10/29/05, Aki Damme wrote: > At 10:19 AM 10/29/2005, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > >--- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > > 2. don't wear sunglasses. If you crash you could damage your > > > face/eyes with them. > > > >So I guess those of us with 20/400 vision (uncorrected) shouldn't wear > >eyeglasses > >inside our helmets either, eh? > > > >-- Larry > > > besides, there's *plenty* of sunglasses out there that are shatterproof. > > -aki > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 11:20:43 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:20:12 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours To: Danny Motorcycle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:03 AM 10/29/2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Unfortunately it's not the fact that they shatter that is the problem. >it's the fact that a helmet can move around during the crash and thus >move the glasses around and push them into your face/eye area. interesting. If my helmet is moving around enough to push my sunglasses into my eye, I need to find a better fitting helmet. Personally, I've never heard of, nor witnessed anyone losing a eye or having serious facial damage due to sunglasses. I've worn them for over 30 years and have never had a problem. Incidentallly, I *couldn't* get contacts for many years because of my astigmatism. About 5 years ago, technology was advanced enough that I could get LASIK. I still have to use (cheap drugstore) reading glasses now but only one who has had LASIK (or similar type surgery) can truly understand the freedom of being able to go into a store and buying a non-prescription pair of sunglasses. It's not even the same as wearing contacts (I tried hard contacts the two years prior to getting the LASIK...and for me, contacts SUCKED). LASIK is good...scary but good. -aki >On 10/29/05, Aki Damme wrote: > > At 10:19 AM 10/29/2005, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > >--- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > > > > 2. don't wear sunglasses. If you crash you could damage your > > > > face/eyes with them. > > > > > >So I guess those of us with 20/400 vision (uncorrected) shouldn't wear > > >eyeglasses > > >inside our helmets either, eh? > > > > > >-- Larry > > > > > > besides, there's *plenty* of sunglasses out there that are shatterproof. > > > > -aki > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 29 13:51:48 2005 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Those minor annoyances about this thing of ours Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I figure our heads are round/oval ish, and a helmet is made of tearable foams, combine that with some mph and or tumbling.. I can can foresee some helmet shiftage. It's not like it's bolted down. Hell even clamped down forks shift in the tripple trees. I think it's pretty cool that they have $1500 deals for the eye surgeries. I may not be a blind man, but I think it's worth every penny. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 09:00:30 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:00:16 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] I. Want. To. Ride. This. http://www.badbros.net/jetbike1.html Discuss. Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 09:19:31 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:19:18 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I. Want. To. Ride. This. To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX link no go --- Sean Jordan wrote: > http://www.badbros.net/jetbike1.html > > Discuss. > > > Sean Jordan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 10:59:11 2005 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'julian@XXXXXX'" Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:09:30 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike DC Julian started with: "Yeah, it's a beautiful day Driving into the district from Arlington is always fun, I get to use every skill I learned on the MSF course at more. " [Carl]: Hummm, guess I've done it for so long that idiots are just common hazards you regularly avoid. FWIW, here's a few of old but faithful recommendations for surviving in Metro areas. Conspicuity is critical. Cage drivers do not want to hit you (Yes, there are exceptions) because it'll scratch their paint, plus, cops and insurance companies can be so picky and bothersome wasting the drivers valuable time with silly questions. (1) Lane placement. Keep out of cagers blind spots. Yeah, this is the one place that loud pipes may substitute for defensive driving and save lives. KISS:. Keep out of the cagers blind spots. (2) Driving lights: For $15 -30 you can install a set of driving lights that will make you more conspicuous. This is especially important for older bikes that have only one headlight and running lights. Wattage does not have to be retina scalding. You can find 35 watt H-3 and PAR 36 bulbs that do the job just fine. Power them through a relay. (3) Horns: The peepers on most bikes are just that . . . peepers. Invest $16-30 for some serious tooters at auto stores or Molly Wart or other more parsimonious bikers recommend Cadillac or Buick horns from salvage yards. Whether you choose electric or air horns, power them through a relay. Use the tooters when visual conspicuity fails e.g. the driver is nooging into your lane. A good blast will have the driver moving over wondering where the semi came from. (4) Wiggle in your lane. Yeah, if you have the space weave back and fourth in your lane occasionally. That traces you headlight across the drivers' retinas ahead of you thus, making you more conspicuous . . . and . . . noticeable when you pass through their blind spot. It doesn't have to be a peg-scraping Ricky-Racer tire-warming weave; but, that is fun too and may mark you as a nut to be avoided - sometimes a "Good Thing". (5) Brightly colored cloths, bikes etc. If you need Bad-Assed Black, see #1 :^). Be safe Bill Said, "as the last left-turner whipped through, obviously on a red light, and *clearly displayed the finger to us* while throttling up, missing us by a couple of feet. It was so appalling I chuckled for 5 minutes." Be Kewl Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. FOM #3; OGM #008; FOO-FOP-FO? '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahora); '83 VF700F (666); 96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 11:03:07 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:07:47 -0500 From: "lister lynch" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. Movers come tomorrow at 8AM to swoop in and clean out the abode. We're headed for the mountains of VT, where you can't pick a bad road. :-) Keep the rubber side down and the BDC's in the mirrors. Mike VFR750 VTR1000 XR400L CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 11:28:16 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:28:03 -0500 Except for November (October?) to March (April?) when you have to worry about ice, snow and other assorted road spooge on said good mountain roads. I would suggest investing in a snowmobile for the other half of the year... Great skiing area, though! Perry >From: "lister lynch" >To: >Subject: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. >Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:07:47 -0500 > >Movers come tomorrow at 8AM to swoop in and clean out the abode. We're >headed for the mountains of VT, where you can't pick a bad road. :-) > >Keep the rubber side down and the BDC's in the mirrors. > >Mike >VFR750 >VTR1000 >XR400L >CB400F > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 11:29:42 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:29:33 -0500 Except for November (October?) to March (April?) when you have to worry about ice, snow and other assorted road spooge on said good mountain roads. I would suggest investing in a snowmobile for the other half of the year... Great skiing area, though! Perry >From: "lister lynch" >To: >Subject: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. >Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:07:47 -0500 > >Movers come tomorrow at 8AM to swoop in and clean out the abode. We're >headed for the mountains of VT, where you can't pick a bad road. :-) > >Keep the rubber side down and the BDC's in the mirrors. > >Mike >VFR750 >VTR1000 >XR400L >CB400F > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 11:38:17 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:38:05 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: Monster S2R 1000 National Demo Days > Nov. 18 + 19 > http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/events/detail.jhtml? > eventId=8301 hmm, I wonder which dealership will offer the best 'test ride' opportunities... DRAT! and I'm going to be out of town! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 12:05:33 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:05:17 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX He already owns two of them. Glenn --- Perry Coleman wrote: > I would suggest investing in a snowmobile for the > other half of the year... > Great skiing area, though! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 12:11:55 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:11:57 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike DC At 10:09 AM 10/28/2005 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >(1) Lane placement. Keep out of cagers blind spots. Yep...and having a sixth-sense of what a cage driver is about to do helps as well. I was going up I-270 in the local lanes Saturday. I was in the left lane, to let a small sports car merge in from an on-ramp, and a car was coming into the local lanes from the mains (this was all just north of Falls Road, where I got on). If I and the cage maintained current speed I was going to end up with my front wheel next to her rear wheel once her "in-ramp" straightened out. This makes me feel nervous anyway, but in this case something said she was going to come over without looking. I got off the throttle and slowed slightly, and sure enough, over she came, passing about half a bike length in front of me as she continued her very illegal sweeping lane change all the way to the right lane, nearly taking off the front of the little blue sports car that was already there. >(3) Horns: The peepers on most bikes are just that . . . peepers. Invest My horn was more "authoritative" than the sports car's was...but that isn't saying much. I've heard bossier horns on tot's car seats than that thing had. I pulled up next to her, and looked over and she mouthed "sorry!" at me, so she at least realized that she'd screwed up. I hope she learned something, but I doubt it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 12:36:04 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:35:52 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. > Movers come tomorrow at 8AM to swoop in and clean out the abode. We're > headed for the mountains of VT, where you can't pick a bad road. :-) Many, many fine roads. Few cars. New Hampster and Maine have some nice stuff, too. You will be joining the realm of the winter biker who looks for sand in the corners bacause it means traction ;-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 12:43:38 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:43:31 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: Monster S2R 1000 National Demo Days > hmm, I wonder which dealership will offer the best 'test ride' > opportunities... DRAT! and I'm going to be out of town! If Coleman's "demo" is anything like their GoldWing "demo" (essentially once around the block in formation) I won't bother with them, but will try Rockville. So... what town are you going to be in? Is it close to a dealer on the list? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 12:53:04 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:52:57 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I. Want. To. Ride. This. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Discuss. 2006 Darwin Award Nominee? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 12:58:16 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:02:56 -0500 From: "lister lynch" To: "Glenn Dysart" , Heh, my secret winter weapons. Surprisingly akin to riding a moto. Mike (Noah?) 2 sleds 2 quads 2 jetskis 2 boats (1 sail, 1 motor) 4 bikes 4 cages -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Later, motofolks. He already owns two of them. Glenn --- Perry Coleman wrote: > I would suggest investing in a snowmobile for the > other half of the year... > Great skiing area, though! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 18:34:27 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:34:14 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Communal Garage I have rented a garage in Arlington. If anyone wants or needs winter storage let me know. I have tools and will be setting up the garage to work on my bikes and cars. I am interested in having no more than two tenants. I am asking $50 a month per bike to help cover heat and rent. Contact me if you're interested. The garage is near Rt.29 and Rt. 66. Adam __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 31 21:58:24 2005 From: "David D. Cross" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:57:35 -0500 FYI, a few years back I asked Dr. Gridlock what constitutes "Airport Use" and "Airport Business" when using the Access road. I asked what if I wanted to just look at the pretty planes or get gas at the Exxon station there. He put the question to the spokes person for the Washington Airports Authority and she said that getting gas at the Exxon DOES constitute airport business, just looking at planes does not. So if you make a stop at the gas station at the airport (get gas, coffee, newspaper, etc.) you can perfectly legally use the Access road. That road also gets you on to 66 all the way to DC in a cage with just one occupant when coming from the airport, plus it saves you $2.50 a day in tolls. dave -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs I took the unheardof step of entering "Dulles Access Road" into Google and dredged up this... :) "The Dulles Access Highway is restricted to airport use only. All vehicles on the Access Highway must be going to or coming from Dulles Airport on airport business." (sniff, sniff) Smells like a "policy" to me. http://www.metwashairports.com/Dulles/maps.htm The access road (and the whole right-of-way) is owned by the Airport Authority. VDOT leases the land used by the Toll Road. And there's this from Dr. Squidlock: Thursday, March 3, 2005; Page LZ06 Dear Dr. Gridlock: When there is an accident or bad weather that ties up traffic on the Dulles Toll Road, the powers that be should open up the Dulles Access Road to all commuters. We paid for it and should be able to use it if needed. Two lanes for traffic each way on the access road is too much; you hardly see enough traffic on it to warrant even one lane each way. Maria J. Verdon Sterling ---- You raise two questions: How about opening the access road during accident or weather congestion, and why isn't there more public access to what seems to be an under-used access road? The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, which owns the access road, does allow all vehicles to use the road if the Virginia State Police request it, according to Tara Hamilton, authority spokeswoman. If you see an incident where the access road should be opened for emergency traffic--but isn't--send me the details and I'll inquire. Over the years many citizens and legislators have proposed opening the access road for commuter traffic, at least during rush hours. The authority's answer is always the same: No. The road was built for convenient, quick travel to and from Dulles International Airport. Allowances for general public use would impinge on that mission. Dr. Gridlock supports that position. For those new to the area, the Dulles Toll Road is open to all vehicles, while the parallel, four-lane Dulles Access Road is restricted to motorists with business at the airport. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 1 07:42:42 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:33 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs > So if you make a stop at the gas station at the airport (get gas, coffee, > newspaper, etc.) you can perfectly legally use the Access road. That road > also gets you on to 66 all the way to DC in a cage with just one occupant > when coming from the airport, plus it saves you $2.50 a day in tolls. If you're gonna use 66, have some document verifying that you were at the airport immediately prior. VA cops are looking for a solo driver and the onus will be on you to prove that you came from the airport. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 1 08:48:38 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:48:23 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX While I can see a cage getting away with the aforementioned techniques, I don't think it will work on a bike, everyday. If LEOs are looking for solo drivers, there is no way you'd be able to use the access road everyday on a bike, receipt or not, without getting harassed/ticketed. I could provide any number of false statements about why I was on the access road, but would have a hard time backing them up day after day after day...fuel on Monday, coffee on Tuesday, Fed-Ex on Wednesday, fuel on Thursday, coffee on Friday.... Though,it is good to know the caveats of the access road rules, by chance I need to cage it into work one day. - Jimmy > > So if you make a stop at the gas station at the airport (get gas, > coffee, > > newspaper, etc.) you can perfectly legally use the Access road. > That road > > also gets you on to 66 all the way to DC in a cage with just one > occupant > > when coming from the airport, plus it saves you $2.50 a day in > tolls. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 1 11:29:22 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:29:08 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Interesting article about engines http://dcsportbikes.com/forums/427041/ShowPost.aspx Moto GP engines...a possible future. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 1 16:26:13 2005 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:26:02 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dulles Access Road FAQs Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 11/1/05, James O'Connor wrote: > While I can see a cage getting away with the aforementioned > techniques, I don't think it will work on a bike, everyday. If LEOs > are looking for solo drivers, there is no way you'd be able to use > the access road everyday on a bike, receipt or not, without getting > harassed/ticketed. Two different issues - to bust you for improper Access Road use, they have to establish that you did not stop to conduct business. A single driver on I-66 would need to show proof of having accomplished airport business to avoid an HOV violation - bikes are alyready HOV enabled. FWIW - I chat with the airport cops almost daily and with my yellow VStrom / helmet / Kilimanjaro I am anything but inconspicous. Coffee in the morning is the great equalizer ;-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 2 09:14:20 2005 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:11:43 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes building http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=610266&nid=30 So, now that the building of HOT lanes has been approved, anyone know if they will let bikes ride free along with HOV 3? -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 2 09:19:04 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:18:57 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes building > So, now that the building of HOT lanes has been approved, anyone know if > they will let bikes ride free along with HOV 3? HOV are free Motorcycles are HOV Motorcycles are free -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 2 09:36:56 2005 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:34:25 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes building Not according to the preliminary statements by all three bidding companies. See archives from a few months ago. http://www.dccycles.com/arch/2005/7/ Michael Jordan wrote: >>So, now that the building of HOT lanes has been approved, anyone know if >>they will let bikes ride free along with HOV 3? >> -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 2 09:47:53 2005 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:47:42 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes building On 11/2/05, Mike Troutman wrote: > Not according to the preliminary statements by all three bidding > companies. When did contractors bidding for a job become able to override the legislature? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 3 08:55:12 2005 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:54:53 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes building Motorcycles are allowed in HOV lanes by Virginia law, but perhaps the HOT lanes are not officially designated "HOV" lanes, but the private contractor just allows specified use by high-occupancy vehicles. When governments pass responsibility to private industry, the industry can often make its own rules. Chris 33.1-46.2. Designation of high-occupancy vehicle lanes; use of such lanes; penalties. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+33.1-46.2 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michael Jordan Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:47:42 -0500 >On 11/2/05, Mike Troutman wrote: >> Not according to the preliminary statements by all three bidding >> companies. > >When did contractors bidding for a job become able to override the legislature? > >-- >Michael J. >'86 SRX-6 >'93 GSX1100G >'03 DL1000 >AMA >IBA #3901 >USAF (Ret) >NRA >etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 3 09:35:40 2005 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:35:31 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes building > When governments pass responsibility to private industry, the industry can often make > its own rules. True, but they have to be enforced by government. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 3 09:50:09 2005 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:48:25 -0500 From: skip To: chris01@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes building here's an email exchange I had with the guy who runs savehov.org -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Motorcycles on HOT lanes From: skip Date: Wed, November 02, 2005 9:54 am To: info@XXXXXX Hi! i was pointed to your site as a source of information regarding the change in status of motorcycles from "HOV yes" to "HOV no" with regard to HOT lanes. I want to write my Delagate to give my view point, but I have not been able to find any sources stating that motorcycles would lose their HOV status with regard to HOT lanes. first off, is it true? If so, can you point my to sources? second, if it's not true, are there any resources that state that? Thanks in advance for your help! --skip, motorcyclist Subject: RE: Motorcycles on HOT lanes Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:05:19 -0700 From: scott@XXXXXX To: skip That is a million dollar question. The way I understand initially HOT lanes will continue to receive federal funding so by federal law motorcycles will remain HOV vehicles. However, there is no guarantee that once HOT lanes start to turn a profit the corporations managing them they will not decline federal funding and be able to regulate motorcycles as single rider vehicles and in turn charge them as a regular car. I've asked the question to both the companies that made proposals and they were both wishy washy in their answer. The company that got the go ahead to move forward with HOT lanes on 95/395 gave the most direct answer. They said they will charge motorcycles. I'll try to dig up the email I received from their representative and send it on. Please do email/write your elected representatives on this issue. It's very important. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 3 09:55:35 2005 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:55:23 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Rossi and Ferrari... For those who missed the reports: ================ Rumours say that VR is testing F2005 editione R, a car especially built "around" Rossi. Pictures: http://www.doctordre.ch/valentinorossi.jpg http://www.kaylakaneecha.com/blog.nsf/dx/rossi ================= -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 3 10:53:19 2005 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:50:40 -0500 From: Mike Troutman CC: Hirons , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes building Scott is a friend of mine who got these questions rolling for me the first time around. I contacted the news who contacted VDOT spokesman Ryan Hall who stated that motorcycles will still be allowed on HOT lanes, as HOV-3. skip wrote: >here's an email exchange I had with the guy who runs savehov.org > > >That is a million dollar question. The way I understand initially HOT >lanes will continue to receive federal funding so by federal law >motorcycles will remain >HOV vehicles. However, there is no guarantee that once HOT lanes start >to turn a profit the corporations managing them they will not decline >federal >funding and be able to regulate motorcycles as single rider vehicles >and in turn charge them as a regular car. > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 11:05:50 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:05:29 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Rider through the Storm Played hooky Thursday and after liberating my bike from my garage at work in a successful covert snatch and grab escaped to VA for a day out with a fellow lister. A huge thanks to him for showing me some stellar roads around George Washington National forest. Sunday....headed West to Warrenton by super slab. Hit 211 and stayed on 211 for a while. The run up the mountain was no fun. Crowded, nutty cage drivers. Leaves everywhere so careful was the order of the day. Passed Dan's steakhouse trying to reverse engineer the route we did Thursday. Heading West had a huge impulse to just keep going but hung a left on Chrisman Hollow road trying to get to Elizabeth's Furnace. After a hairpin turn, a great view, the road became gravel and pot holes so I made the decision that I did not have the right equipment for the job and turned my R1 around. Continued West on 211 and hit 11 North. The shires of Virginia. Small town after small town. Too low to see much. I was impatient. Huge rainbow up ahead and I was contemplating what that meant when I got hit by a thundershower. It was no big deal. Kept going..hit 55 and then found that lovely road that I had been trying to find. Up, down, streams on each side. I must have crossed the Shenandoah at least eight times that day. Almost ran out of gas when I did the gravel road adventure. Note to all. Gas Station maps bite..they did not show a lot of what I found. I want to explore punch run next time. Great day out. We have been blessed with a breathtaking Fall. I have chafe marks on my throttle hand, sore hamstrings and a stiff knee but the ride was well worth it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 12:42:36 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider through the Storm Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:44:44 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DCCycles" Great ride report, Thanks. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA --snip Great day out. We have been blessed with a breathtaking Fall. I have chafe marks on my throttle hand, sore hamstrings and a stiff knee but the ride was well worth it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 13:06:28 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:06:15 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/04/AR200511 0401592.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 13:52:20 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:52:11 -0500 While I agree with the sentiment that motorcycle safety training is a good thing - and heaven knows I have recommended it to a lot of people, old and young, who have expressed interest in motorcycling - I can't help but ask if we need ANOTHER example of the government telling us what to do or how to do it. I don't want a nanny government. Or any MORE of a nanny government than we already have. While I hate to see people die needlessly, natural selection is brutal. Survival of the fittest also means stupid people get killed. As long as they are killing themselves and not others, then I'd rather the government stay out of it. And if they are killing others, then the government can deal with the miscreant, not everyone. Force feeding a "solution" onto everyone is the easy way out - which is why it is so popular with politicians. Personal responsibility is hard and doesn't seem to sell very well. Whenever you find yourself thinking (or saying): "The government ought to..." stop for a moment and remember to be careful what you wish for. You might not be too happy when you get it... Perry Enjoing this great weather and wishing it could last another 3-4 months! And then it would be Spring! >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post >Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:06:15 -0500 > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/04/AR200511 >0401592.html > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 14:07:06 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:06:13 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Perry Coleman >Date: Mon Nov 07 12:52:11 CST 2005 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post >While I agree with the sentiment that motorcycle safety training is a good >thing - and heaven knows I have recommended it to a lot of people, old and >young, who have expressed interest in motorcycling - I can't help but ask if >we need ANOTHER example of the government telling us what to do or how to do >it. I don't want a nanny government. Or any MORE of a nanny government than >we already have. > >While I hate to see people die needlessly, natural selection is brutal. >Survival of the fittest also means stupid people get killed. As long as they >are killing themselves and not others, then I'd rather the government stay >out of it. And if they are killing others, then the government can deal with >the miscreant, not everyone. ..the problem with *that* is that the miscreant is usually DEAD. A fat lot of good that will do to the family that's lost a family member when they were hit head on by some idiot doing a wheelie down the highway. > Force feeding a "solution" onto everyone is the >easy way out - which is why it is so popular with politicians. Personal >responsibility is hard and doesn't seem to sell very well. > >Whenever you find yourself thinking (or saying): "The government ought >to..." stop for a moment and remember to be careful what you wish for. You >might not be too happy when you get it... ..well, for *me*, I think this is an area that *needs* goverment intervention. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 14:09:04 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:08:54 -0500 From: Robert To: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The government doesn't regulate racing, at least not to the extent of transportation-related legislation. The whole point of the article is that government should mandate more safety training as part of the licensing process, as it might curb some of the described behaviour. And I think we can all describe incidents of stand-up wheelies, stoppies, and other stunts on the public highways around DC, already the worst traffic in the nation, bar none. These loons are stunting like this in traffic, endangering themselves and others. Robert On 11/7/05, Perry Coleman wrote: > While I agree with the sentiment that motorcycle safety training is a good > thing - and heaven knows I have recommended it to a lot of people, old and > young, who have expressed interest in motorcycling - I can't help but ask if > we need ANOTHER example of the government telling us what to do or how to do > it. I don't want a nanny government. Or any MORE of a nanny government than > we already have. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 14:27:18 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:21:57 -0500 To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post At 01:52 PM 11/7/2005 -0500, Perry Coleman wrote: >the miscreant, not everyone. Force feeding a "solution" onto everyone is the >easy way out - which is why it is so popular with politicians. Politicians are well aware that the average voter can't distinguish between "taking action" and "being in motion", so they will generally react to any problem by doing *something*, whether it addresses the problem or not. If it increases government power, so much the better for them so that's usually the direction they head in. If the problem remains, so what? The average voter has a very short attention span and will forget the prior failure soon enough, and the problem remaining is just a great excuse to be "in motion" taking more power for the government again. Cynical? Me? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 14:27:21 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:27:23 -0500 To: Robert , Perry Coleman From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 02:08 PM 11/7/2005 -0500, Robert wrote: >The whole point of the article is >that government should mandate more safety training as part of the >licensing process, as it might curb some of the described behaviour. This will only work if those in question are not aware that what they are doing is illegal and/or dangerous. Do you *really* think that's true? I don't. In fact, I think those are actually why they do it. If those weren't factors, they'd be off stunting for their friends in an empty lot somewhere. If you want to end that stuff you need to use peer pressure. When stunting in traffic is seen, by the peers of those doing it, as tantamount to drooling or wetting your bed at night, it will stop. Nothing else is likely to work very well. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 14:42:38 2005 From: "smthng else" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:42:44 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: Saving Motorcyclists article Forwarding my response to Mr. Collins. I think it pretty much covers my point of view. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "Faith is believeing in smthng That sometimes doesn't always seem logical." ________________________________ From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] To: 'mike.collins1@XXXXXX' Subject: Saving Motorcyclists article Hello Mr. Collins, I was reading your article titled "Saving Motorcyclists from Themselves" and would like to state my opinion on your last paragraph in particular. You state "...Maryland and other states should follow the course... and require all first time license holders, regardless of age, to complete the basic Motorcycle Safety Foundation course or its equivalent before obtaining a license." While I agree with the need for training and have taken several courses of varying skill levels over the years, I dissagree with states requiring it. Most states, particularly those I'm familiar with within 100 miles of DC, make it hard enough to meet all the licensing, inspection and insurance requirements as it is. I don't want anyone to be "forced" into jumping through any more government hoops than they already have to. Add the scarcity of MSF courses and thier frequently over-booked status to the equation and you're looking to create a wave of illegal and unlicensed bikers who not only don't have the training and skills required to survive, but who will also not be able to get insurance to cover those they injure in the process. A real solution is to have a state-run equivalent of the MSF course that is made available regularly to all motorcyclists. The state AND insurance companies should then offer SIGNIFICANT discounts on all fees and rates when someone completes the course. Make the courses more appealing and more available so more people WANT to take them. Don't shove more government red tape in my chain. --Jonathan Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR 1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 14:52:57 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:52:45 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]_=3FFW:_Saving_Motorcyclists_article?= To: DC-Cycles >From: smthng else >Date: Mon Nov 07 13:42:44 CST 2005 >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: Saving Motorcyclists article >Forwarding my response to Mr. Collins. I think it pretty much covers my >point of view. > > Most states, particularly those I'm familiar with within 100 miles >of DC, make it hard enough to meet all the licensing, inspection and >insurance requirements as it is. they do? In Va. it took all of 10 minutes with a ride around the parking lot and a 20 question, 15 minute written test to pass. Not exactly "hard enough" IMHO. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 14:54:59 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:54:49 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post > ..well, for *me*, I think this is an area that *needs* goverment intervention. > -aki Perhaps we should embrace the German model and apply it to all drivers - automobile as well as motorcycle. You'll spend 3 to 6 months and a few thousand dollars doing it. But, at the end, you will have an education. As far as general stupidity goes, Robert Heinlein (through one of his characters) summed it up nicely: "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." The only think we can hope is that sentence is carried out prior to the ceremonial passing on of genes. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 14:57:53 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:57:06 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: "Mike B." >Date: Mon Nov 07 13:27:23 CST 2005 >To: Robert , Perry Coleman >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post >At 02:08 PM 11/7/2005 -0500, Robert wrote: >>The whole point of the article is >>that government should mandate more safety training as part of the >>licensing process, as it might curb some of the described behaviour. > >This will only work if those in question are not aware that what they are >doing is illegal and/or dangerous. Do you *really* think that's true? I >don't. In fact, I think those are actually why they do it. If those >weren't factors, they'd be off stunting for their friends in an empty lot >somewhere. > >If you want to end that stuff you need to use peer pressure. When stunting >in traffic is seen, by the peers of those doing it, as tantamount to >drooling or wetting your bed at night, it will stop. Nothing else is >likely to work very well. > > I don't think that the majority of those killed on bikes each year are because they're doing wheelies down the highway. They're just the most visible. The majority of the inexperienced riders that are killed each year are due to their catastrophic failure in the fine art of accident avoidance. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 15:04:46 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:01:40 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Michael Jordan >Date: Mon Nov 07 13:54:49 CST 2005 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post >The only think we can hope is that sentence is carried out prior to >the ceremonial passing on of genes. > LOL! The good news is that if they're married, that's only a semi-annual event. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 15:16:43 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm all for the German/Japanese or the British system, myself. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 15:28:30 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:28:18 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: Saving Motorcyclists article Cc: DC-Cycles On 11/7/05, smthng else wrote: > > Add the scarcity of MSF courses and thier frequently over-booked > status to the equation and you're looking to create a wave of illegal and > unlicensed bikers who not only don't have the training and skills required > to survive, but who will also not be able to get insurance to cover those > they injure in the process. > Oversubscribed, yup. An informal poll of the students in my BRC class this weekend demonstrated that most signed up in the month of March, in other words eight months ago. Maybe the state wants to privatize the whole program, allow those companies charge what the traffic will bear for the classes and pay instructors a "living wage." If so, I'm all ears, and can start planning my semi-retirement. While Mr. Collins's stories are heart-rending, young people die tragically as a result of any number of activities, due to their inexperience and youthful feeling of invincibility. I have severe doubts whether any state-imposed motorsickle training program is capable of changing human nature. It's only because motorcycle-riding is viewed by the public at large as a frivolous activity and the fact that it (mostly) takes place on the highways that this is even on the table, or being singled out for special scrutiny. Besides, I also wonder if Mr. Collins's anecdotes of the single-vehicle squidly crash are not representative. Gubmint statistics show that the geezerish "retreads" are giving the young'uns a run for their money in the fatality department. I'd hate to see MSF-style training dumbed down (some would say more than it already is, to wit, recent exposes in Motorcycle Consumer News**) and turned into a diploma mill, just like most driver's ed training is these days, in order to edumacate the rider wannabe masses. And, as Johnathan points out, many of the worst knuckleheads will just ride without endorsements anyway, as many already do today. The penalty for riding without an endorsement in DC and VA is pretty light. It's a three-pointer in VA, four points in DC. Dunno about Maryland, their MVA web site stinks. I'm all for tougher licensing requirements, more intensive training and required "refresher" courses, but only if they apply to cagers too! **On this topic, I am not going to express an opinion, at least not here. :) --Paul Wilson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 15:34:25 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:34:13 -0500 Aki, With all due respect, all the training in the world isn't going to keep stupid people from doing stupid things. It won't even keep smart people from doing stupid things... Do you really think that forcing people to take training is going to "solve" the "problem"? The ones that are forced to be there (as opposed to the ones that WANT to be there) will tend to be more disruptive than anything else. And in the long run, they will still go out and get themselves killed. Perry >From: >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:52:45 -0600 (CST) > > >From: smthng else > >Date: Mon Nov 07 13:42:44 CST 2005 > >To: DC-Cycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: Saving Motorcyclists article > > >Forwarding my response to Mr. Collins. I think it pretty much covers my > >point of view. > > > > > > > Most states, particularly those I'm familiar with within 100 miles > >of DC, make it hard enough to meet all the licensing, inspection and > >insurance requirements as it is. > > >they do? In Va. it took all of 10 minutes with a ride around the >parking lot and a 20 question, 15 minute written test to pass. > >Not exactly "hard enough" IMHO. > >-aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 15:38:18 2005 From: "smthng else" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:38:25 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: adamme@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article > > > Most states, particularly those I'm familiar with > within 100 miles of > >DC, make it hard enough to meet all the licensing, inspection and > >insurance requirements as it is. > they do? In Va. it took all of 10 minutes with a ride around > the parking lot and a 20 question, 15 minute written test to pass. I was referring to the entire process of being legal to drive, not just the driver's test... Learners Permit, Driving Test, Proof of Insurance, Vehicle Inspection, Registration, Tag Renewal, Tax stickers, etc. I've finally gotten all that stuff timed pretty close together now, I can send in the whole batch at once (to three different agencies if I recall correctly). THAT's the whole mess I was referring to. I really don't want to see another hoop that someone has to jump through. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "I wish everybody would have to have an electric thing implanted in our heads that gave us a shock whenever we did smthng to disobey the president. Then somehow I get myself elected president." -Jack Handey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 15:44:43 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:43:25 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post At 01:57 PM 11/7/2005 -0600, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: >>From: "Mike B." >>If you want to end that stuff you need to use peer pressure. When stunting >>in traffic is seen, by the peers of those doing it, as tantamount to >>drooling or wetting your bed at night, it will stop. Nothing else is >>likely to work very well. >> >I don't think that the majority of those killed on bikes each year >are because they're doing wheelies down the highway. They're just >the most visible. > >The majority of the inexperienced riders that are killed each year are due to their catastrophic failure in the fine art of accident avoidance. If we are going to leave the subject of stunting morons and move on to general causes of moto accidents, then I agree with you. Not stunting in traffic is a good form of "accident avoidance" though, as is not riding while intoxicated, tired, distracted by personal issues, or on a bike with faulty safety equipment (tires, shocks, bearings, brakes, lights, etc.). According to the figures I've seen something like 45% of all fatal moto accidents involved alcohol use on the part of the rider. Whether they were also doing other stupid things or not I have no idea. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 15:55:40 2005 From: "smthng else" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:55:46 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike B. [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post > If you want to end that stuff you need to use peer pressure. > When stunting in traffic is seen, by the peers of those doing > it, as tantamount to drooling or wetting your bed at night, > it will stop. Nothing else is likely to work very well. On the way back to my mom's from Daytona Beach today, I was passed by a POS SV650 that had clearly been dropped repeatedly (both rear signals were "dangling". Idiot was in shorts and t-shirt, no helmet, no glasses. He stood up on the seat and drove for about a block standing straight up (hands off bars) on a four lane highway. The last I saw of him was in my rear view mirror as he hopped back down off the seat. The last he saw of me was my Givi case and the one finger salute. :) BTW... The weather down here is perfect. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "Man is fed with fables through life, and leaves it in the belief he knows smthng of what has been passing, when in truth he has known nothing but what has passed under his own eye." -Thomas Jefferson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 15:59:05 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:58:53 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Perry Coleman >Date: Mon Nov 07 14:34:13 CST 2005 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article >Aki, > >With all due respect, all the training in the world isn't going to keep >stupid people from doing stupid things. It won't even keep smart people from >doing stupid things... Do you really think that forcing people to take >training is going to "solve" the "problem"? The ones that are forced to be >there (as opposed to the ones that WANT to be there) will tend to be more >disruptive than anything else. And in the long run, they will still go out >and get themselves killed. > >Perry > You're probably right. I wouldn't be so concerned if it were not for the idiots doing wheelies wiping out innocents. If they just killed themselves, I'd be all for a tax just to build roads where they could go all out, wipe out and then just scoop them up and flip them into the back of a dump truck to be turned into soylent green. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 16:47:44 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:41:30 -0500 To: , "DC-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post At 03:55 PM 11/7/2005 -0500, smthng else wrote: >off bars) on a four lane highway. The last I saw of him was in my rear view >mirror as he hopped back down off the seat. The last he saw of me was my >Givi case and the one finger salute. :) And thus the peer pressure starts? ;-) >BTW... The weather down here is perfect. It's been gorgeous around here too...though it's a bit cooler today than the weekend was (upper 60s rather than mid-70s). My trees have finally started dropping their leaves, so it will be raking time by the weekend. Sigh. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 16:47:44 2005 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:48:22 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article At 02:58 PM 11/7/2005 -0600, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: >for the idiots doing wheelies wiping out innocents. If they just >killed themselves, I'd be all for a tax just to build roads where >they could go all out, wipe out and then just scoop them up >and flip them into the back of a dump truck to be turned into >soylent green. ;-) How about we pick one day a year when there won't be *any* law enforcement on particular roads (preferably limited access roads)? We can pick a day that most people aren't driving much anyway (Thanksgiving? Christmas? April 14th?) to limit inconvenience. Let the idiots get it all out of their systems...drive as fast as they like with whatever they can get to move, make multi-lane sweeping lane changes, draft, play bumper cars, drive while smashed or high, enjoy their Mad-Max fantasies, or whatever else they like. Any sane individuals will stay the hell off of those roads on those days, and the rest can wipe each other out to their heart's content. The day after, we have a "you tow it away, you own it" day on those same roads to clean up the wreckage and get the body parts recycled quickly. First come, first served. Of course, how we'll tell the difference between that day and any other day on the beltway I'm not sure... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 16:57:36 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:57:20 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article To: adamme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > if it were not > for the idiots doing wheelies wiping out innocents. I obviously missed this part. Please refer me to the appropriate news story where this was reported. As an alternative, you may retract the above statement. This one is way out of line. One of the few good things about idiots on motorcycles is that it's very unusual for them to kill anyone other than themselves or the passengers on their motorcycles. I disagree with most on this board, having to possess a license to drive (or ride) is an overbearing limitation on liberty. I have no problem with requiring liability insurance, but the license itself shouldn't be required for personal use of a motor vehicle. And obviously if the license isn't required, the MSF course shouldn't be required either. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 7 16:58:50 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:58:34 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] ?FW: Saving Motorcyclists article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX in the UK and I think Canada they have something like that. the police cordon off a track or some roads and let them have at it. FedEx field isn't used 80% of the time. The parking lots and the various connector roads could be used. plus it's close to the people who pull this kind of )@#@. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 00:08:26 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] OT: need house/rental lawyer a friend of mine (a motorcyclist) is getting sued for obscene amounts of money that the landlord claims they incurred to replace carpet and repaint some interior walls. Naturally they are holding the deposit hostage as well. The unit was rented by my friend. The owners sold it out from under her with basically no notice and then claim they incurred all these thousands of dollars of expenses. What it smells like is the owner is trying to make the last renter (my friend) pay for the buyer's purchase demands of new carpeting and paint. The carpet/paint was quite a few years old before my friend moved in in the first place. I moved my friend out of this house and like any rental that's been neglected by the owners (vs tenants) for some time it wan't spic and span, but it was not even remotely trashed either and I've seen quite a few houses in my day. any recommendations? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 00:22:51 2005 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder anyone here a welder? Or can recommend somebody who can do some really simple work? I need 2 brackets moved on a tubular subframe-like structure. the structure only supports 20lb or less so it doesn't have to be fancy. Anyone know of a HS or community college shop/welding class that would want to do this as practice? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 07:09:57 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 04:09:35 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Your post reminded me of Jack's (wantazx6@XXXXXX) POS TL1000 we were all laughing at during the last lister hosted party at Todd Peer's house back in 98. That bike was such a POS with wire to hold the kickstand up and the array of colors from replaced plastic that had not been painted. Glenn --- smthng else wrote: > On the way back to my mom's from Daytona Beach > today, I was passed by a POS > SV650 that had clearly been dropped repeatedly (both > rear signals were > "dangling". Idiot was in shorts and t-shirt, no __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 07:25:43 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 07:25:35 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post I thnk we have bigger problems to worry about than stunters and new riders killing themselves. Drunk drivers, sleep drivers, tail gaiting or swerving drivers, and oblivious drivers. I think there should be a public awareness campaign of "if you get caught driving swerving out of your lane for any reason other than accident avoidance, such as drunk driving, drowsey driving, innattentive driving; these are deadly events and the state will punish you severely" Also should be this question on the test: "you're riding in the slow lane on a 4 lane highway, you see a car will be merging in that lane soon, you should A. speed up to clear the way for him B. switch to the next left lane C. slow down and give him the right away D. continue driving as normal and another about impeding traffic but i think they already have that From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 07:32:49 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 07:32:42 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post also like the idea of the graduated licensing of you need to be able to ride a motorcycle before you are allowed to car. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 07:48:25 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:47:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] OT: need house/rental lawyer Matt: a friend of mine (a motorcyclist) is getting sued for obscene amounts of money that the landlord claims they incurred to replace carpet and repaint some interior walls. ... any recommendations? [Dave] Hopefully, this is the 4th or 5th thing on your list after the first 3 which should be: 1: contact a lawyer. 2: contact another lawyer. 3: contact still another lawyer. Like types of plague, there are plenty of lawyers out there. Hope you got pictures or video like I did when I knew there would be such a situation. Secure a good schm^^ err... lawyer for this From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 09:14:45 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:14:37 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post > Also should be this question on the test: "you're riding in the slow > lane on a 4 lane highway, you see a car will be merging in that lane > soon, you should > A. speed up to clear the way for him > B. switch to the next left lane > C. slow down and give him the right away > D. continue driving as normal Answers in order: D - He (or she)'s merging with you and you should provide a constant reference so that they can plan their merge accordingly. B - If traffic permits, and you can do it far enough in advance, this is polite. A - Depends - if the merger plans to speed up a bit to merge ahead of you, this can get interesting. C - You just got run over by the person on a cell phone in the SUV behind you and/or the merger just slowed down - see "A" above. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 10:00:45 2005 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:58:44 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder At 09:22 PM 11/7/2005 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >anyone here a welder? Or can recommend somebody who can do some really >simple work? I need 2 brackets moved on a tubular subframe-like >structure. the structure only supports 20lb or less so it doesn't have >to be fancy. I'm not a welder, but I've been learning to be on my own for a while now. I wouldn't trust my skills on your project yet, but there are a few questions that will come up to determine who might. First is, what is the metal? Tubular subframe-like structures could be anything from mild steel, to aluminum, to chrome-molly to stainless. The mild steel one wouldn't be too hard with just about any equipment, but the others would be best with a TIG welder and someone who knows what they are doing. I've tried chrome-molly with a torch for instance (in a class) and got swiss cheese (it was my first day with a torch in my hand though...the instructor had no problem with this). Another might be what the structure is part of, if anything. Another might be what finish is on it (paint? Powder coat? Nothing?). Another is whether the tubing is open at some point, or completely sealed up (heat makes air expand, and a closed container is hard to weld on for that reason). Good luck! -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 10:00:47 2005 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:51:10 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] OT: need house/rental lawyer At 09:08 PM 11/7/2005 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >a friend of mine (a motorcyclist) is getting sued for obscene amounts >of money that the landlord claims they incurred to replace carpet and >repaint some interior walls. Naturally they are holding the deposit >hostage as well. >any recommendations? If there's a housing authority in the area, contact them and see what the laws say about this. Most places don't allow retention of damage deposits unless there is actual damage. "Normal wear and tear" are generally not considered "damage". Landlords are generally expected to re-paint on their own dime between renters. Renters should leave a place intact, other than normal wear and tear, and "broom clean" (i.e. no piles of trash, no dust bunnies, bath room scrubbed enough to use, etc.). If you are getting sued, it might be best to talk to a lawyer. It sucks, but that's the way the system the lawyers set up works. -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 10:14:00 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:13:52 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was thinking B.. make it legal to be polite :) for those who have no concept of blending in, or anticipating clearly visible traffic problems ahead. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 10:31:07 2005 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:30:49 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] V-Strom 650 I'm thinking that the V-Strom 650 may be my next bike. Does anyone on her have one? I've read a number of reviews, but would like to chat with an owner, and would love to get a test ride if possible. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 10:55:58 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:58:08 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DCCycles" > Also should be this question on the test: "you're riding in the slow > lane on a 4 lane highway, you see a car will be merging in that lane > soon, you should A. speed up to clear the way for him > B. switch to the next left lane > C. slow down and give him the right away > D. continue driving as normal Answers in order: D - He (or she)'s merging with you and you should provide a constant reference so that they can plan their merge accordingly. B - If traffic permits, and you can do it far enough in advance, this is polite. A - Depends - if the merger plans to speed up a bit to merge ahead of you, this can get interesting. C - You just got run over by the person on a cell phone in the SUV behind you and/or the merger just slowed down - see "A" above. E. Call them on their cell phone and discuss which option is optimal for both parties. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 11:12:44 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:12:31 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post On 11/8/05, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > Also should be this question on the test: "you're riding in the slow > > lane on a 4 lane highway, you see a car will be merging in that lane > > soon, you should A. speed up to clear the way for him > > B. switch to the next left lane > > C. slow down and give him the right away > > D. continue driving as normal > ..... > > > E. Call them on their cell phone and discuss which option is optimal for > both parties. > That wouldn't work. She'd have to put down her mascara first to answer the phone, as witnessed by yours truly, GW Pkwy, yesterday. We were stopped, side-by-side at a light at the north end of Old Town. If I had had Custer's "big honkin' tooters" I might have given her a black streak up the forehead. As it was, the little roadrunner "meep-meep" of the KLR horn prolly wasn't audible over the radio, and discretion being the better part of pusillanimity, I didn't toot. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 13:25:41 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:25:20 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride and Camp Any suggestions on a ride and camp trip within about 3-4 hours driving distance. - something with spectacular views - hiking trail running, water nearby - bed and breakfast if needed I have been to OhioPyle and Gauley river and camped ..these were mostly whitewater rafting trips. Anyone have a preferred spot in the Shenandoah National Park. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 13:50:14 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-ID: <715.1131475812.1@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:50:12 -0500 From: harry@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] off-topic postings (lawyers, etc.) It's been a while since I've whined administratively, so please be reminded that postings to dc-cycles need to be at least remotely about motorcycling (ummm, except for this one). When off-topic postings are made, the poster generally gets a "gentle reminder" from me in private email. I ask that listers who choose to respond to off-topic postings also do so in private email rather than CC'ing the list. I've attached a list of "Da Rules" as seen on www.dc-cycles.org. There are only 4 of them. -harry Da Rules 1. No off-topic postings. dc-cycles is about motorcycling in the DC area, but anything relevant to motorcycling is "close enough". If it's not about motorcycling, you'll need to find a more appropriate forum for your question or comment. 2. No bitch-slapping on the list. When it gets "personal", it ceases to be about motorcycling (see Rule 1 above). Take it to private email. 3. Buy/sell postings are perfectly acceptable if the item is motorcycling-related and is personal property (not part of a continuing business). 4. There is no rule 4. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 14:11:14 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Ride and Camp Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:11:01 -0500 How about Blackwater Falls, in Davis(?) WV? It's near Canaan Valley. Very nice, and you can do all sorts of nice scenic rides to get there. They've got camping and a lodge and there are plenty of motels around. There are probably some B&B's but I've never checked. The lodge is actually pretty cool if you don't want to camp. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride and Camp >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:25:20 -0500 > > >Any suggestions on a ride and camp trip within about 3-4 hours driving >distance. > >- something with spectacular views >- hiking trail running, water nearby >- bed and breakfast if needed > >I have been to OhioPyle and Gauley river and camped ..these were mostly >whitewater rafting trips. Anyone have a preferred spot in the Shenandoah >National Park. > >Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 14:12:41 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Ride and Camp Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:12:33 -0500 How about Blackwater Falls, in Davis(?) WV? It's near Canaan Valley. Very nice, and you can do all sorts of nice scenic rides to get there. They've got camping and a lodge and there are plenty of motels around. There are probably some B&B's but I've never checked. The lodge is actually pretty cool if you don't want to camp. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride and Camp >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:25:20 -0500 > > >Any suggestions on a ride and camp trip within about 3-4 hours driving >distance. > >- something with spectacular views >- hiking trail running, water nearby >- bed and breakfast if needed > >I have been to OhioPyle and Gauley river and camped ..these were mostly >whitewater rafting trips. Anyone have a preferred spot in the Shenandoah >National Park. > >Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 14:20:24 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Ride and Camp Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:20:10 -0500 Oh! Another thought: Sherando Lake. It's just south of Waynesboro, VA near the north end of the Blue Ridge Parkway. Plenty of camping and I think there are some B&B's in the area. That's probably on the short end of 3 hours. If you want to go a little further, I also recommend Peaks of Otter on the BRP. It's down near Roanoke. It's probably closer to 5-6 hours. They have camping and a lodge. There's also motels in the area, but you might have to detour off the BRP a few miles into a town. All of these have hiking trails, historical sites, etc. nearby. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride and Camp >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:25:20 -0500 > > >Any suggestions on a ride and camp trip within about 3-4 hours driving >distance. > >- something with spectacular views >- hiking trail running, water nearby >- bed and breakfast if needed > >I have been to OhioPyle and Gauley river and camped ..these were mostly >whitewater rafting trips. Anyone have a preferred spot in the Shenandoah >National Park. > >Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 17:35:01 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:34:47 -0800 (PST) From: MOFO_Load Subject: From Digest: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post To: DC Cycles Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:54:49 -0500 From: Michael Jordan > ..well, for *me*, I think this is an area that *needs* goverment intervention. > -aki Perhaps we should embrace the German model and apply it to all drivers - automobile as well as motorcycle. You'll spend 3 to 6 months and a few thousand dollars doing it. But, at the end, you will have an education. [Hmmmm...I've often thought that was a good idea too. If you also trow in that the money earned by the state is ported to public transportation, I'd be for it.] As far as general stupidity goes, Robert Heinlein (through one of his characters) summed it up nicely: "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." The only think we can hope is that sentence is carried out prior to the ceremonial passing on of genes. [LOL, you and R.H. be funny] __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 17:36:36 2005 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:36:23 -0800 (PST) From: MOFO_Load Subject: From Digest: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post To: DC Cycles From: You're probably right. I wouldn't be so concerned if it were not for the idiots doing wheelies wiping out innocents. If they just killed themselves, I'd be all for a tax just to build roads where they could go all out, wipe out and then just scoop them up and flip them into the back of a dump truck to be turned into soylent green. ;-) -aki [Hmmmmm, "idiots doing wheelies wiping out innocents.". Don't make me start a gun-laws thread ;)] __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 20:00:31 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:00:08 EST Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 11/7/2005 1:52:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > Whenever you find yourself thinking (or saying): "The government ought > to..." stop for a moment and remember to be careful what you wish for. You > might not be too happy when you get it... Many years ago (what other kind do I tell?) just after the federal helmet coercion that forced the states to implement helmet laws I started saying something like "Let them try to pass a seatbelt law and see what happens" Well I guess I saw... Anyhow after the seatbelt law was passed in my then home state the local news interviewed several people about it, one woman said something like "I am glad they passed it because seatbelts are a good thing but I never wore mine but now that it is a law I guess I will." I hope she has a seat in the center fires of hell. Moron. Still makes me want to puke. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 20:16:11 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:15:51 EST Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 11/8/2005 11:12:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > If I had had Custer's "big honkin' tooters" Dyslexia made that a lot more fun to read. OH _TOOTers!_ John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 8 22:03:08 2005 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:02:56 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] This is why you need to be careful at intersections *** Caution - non-moto content *** http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/car-intersection.mpeg If you look carefully, I think you can see the driver's cell phone in his ear *** End non-moto content *** VDOT has confirmed motorcycles will remain a part of the HOV and HOT lane allowed vehicles. Getting them to put it in print makes me feel a little bit better. I still don't think HOT lanes are a good idea; but that subject has just about played out. I am about ready for a new tank bag, and thanks to recent threads I should be able to find a decent one that works well for me. Mine is magnetic and the sharp edged magnets have started pushing through the canvas, causing a nasty new scratch on the new SV. I pulled the magnes out and wrapped them with electrical tape to cushion any future blows, but that isn't much of a final solution. I may just wait until Santa visits. Have to have something moto on my wish list, and a third motorcycle won't fit down my chimney. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 07:37:18 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:36:56 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Training is a good idea. Wheelies in traffic is an attitude. Training is unlikely to change the attitude of young bucks trying to engage in the latest "X-treme" activities. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Robert Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:08:54 -0500 >The government doesn't regulate racing, at least not to the extent of >transportation-related legislation. The whole point of the article is >that government should mandate more safety training as part of the >licensing process, as it might curb some of the described behaviour. > >And I think we can all describe incidents of stand-up wheelies, >stoppies, and other stunts on the public highways around DC, already >the worst traffic in the nation, bar none. These loons are stunting >like this in traffic, endangering themselves and others. > >Robert > > >On 11/7/05, Perry Coleman wrote: >> While I agree with the sentiment that motorcycle safety training is a good >> thing - and heaven knows I have recommended it to a lot of people, old and >> young, who have expressed interest in motorcycling - I can't help but ask if >> we need ANOTHER example of the government telling us what to do or how to do >> it. I don't want a nanny government. Or any MORE of a nanny government than >> we already have. >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 09:10:33 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:10:23 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmm that reminds me.. there is.. or was.. a welder on the list. He welded his own trailer(s) I believe.. you might want to do an archive search. probably on the words weld and trailer.. if that doesn't work, just "weld". From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 09:27:25 2005 X-Sasl-Enc: 4vmBkPL9nx5GOYwySEHgTzHdmwWsn3UvwvI5qIVwMCXB 1131546431 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:27:11 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Commercial on WTOP I heard a new commercial on WTOP yesterday (at least new to me). It was a woman's voice. She was talking about how brave her brother is, he's a firefighter, mountain climber, stuff like that. Then she said that he also rides motorcycles. She said the only thing her brother is afraid of is soccer moms, because someone not paying attention can hit him and cost him his leg or worse. Then something like "Please be careful, my brother is out there." The ad was sponsored by the Maryland Vechicle Department (or something like that) and WTOP. (Note: as some of you know, I'm hard-of-hearing, so I may be misquoting some things, but you get the general idea) Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan Fairfax, VA The Tribe MC, Vice President 1998 Kawasaki Concours (called GTR1000 outside the USA) Ask me about my girls: http://www.the-caplans.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 11:29:15 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:29:06 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Commercial on WTOP Cc: DC-Cycles It's been around for probably at least a few months. There are similiar ones played as well. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 11:35:31 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:35:15 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That was me. While I did build my trailer, I wouldn't go so far to say I was a good welder. There's still a couple of problems - one, it wasn't my equipment, and I'm now living in Portland, OR. If you can't find anyone local, I'll see about hooking you up with my friend who had the equipment. He's out towards Purcellville, and likes bikes and funky projects. Brian --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Hmm that reminds me.. there is.. or was.. a welder > on the list. He > welded his own trailer(s) I believe.. you might > want to do an archive > search. probably on the words weld and trailer.. if > that doesn't work, > just "weld". > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 14:24:29 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:24:10 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Welder Matt - If you're still looking for a welder, and don't mind a hike to Loudoun Co., let me know. I mentioned it to my friend, and he's happy to help you out. BTW, he likes german beer, generally the lighter stuff. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 14:27:39 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch So how many good lunches does the Ballston area really have to offer? With the exception of the exquisite Café Tirolo, the majority of places are your high carb, low nutrient serving chains. The answer is to hop on the bike. 66 E down to Independence. Catch that woefully short light to hang a right on 15th. Keep your eyes open for comatose limo drivers, angst-ridden tourists and your pedestrians run amok that think they are above the law and impervious to bikes. Hang another right on F and cross 14th. Pull a U in front of FineMundo and park your bike directly beside the bus stop. Note that from the bar area you will have eyes on bike the whole time you enjoy a stellar meal. $16.95 gets you Caesar salad, your choice of simple yet delicious Italian entrée and a beverage. The servers are ultra-courteous and friendly. Again your bike is right out front so woe to the chance taking meter maid or oblivious SUV owner that might tamper with your ride. This is a rare thing so splurge on the hazelnut cake with vanilla sauce. Relax, enjoy life, have a wonderful meal and hop back onto the bike for a smooth ride back into Ballston. My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 14:37:09 2005 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:36:52 -0500 From: skip To: Julian Halton CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch how can you possibly malign Mario's like that??!? :~) --skip Julian Halton wrote: > > > > So how many good lunches does the Ballston area really have to offer? With the exception of the exquisite Café Tirolo, the majority of places are your high carb, low nutrient serving chains. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 14:39:46 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:39:34 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch > My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. I kinda like the ride to "The Front Porch" at Seneca Rocks. Much rather do that than screw with in-town traffic. If that's a bit far, try the Irish Inn at Glen Echo. I don't like it quite as well as I liked "The Inn at Glen Echo", but it's still very nice. Plus, you can take the Clara Barton out, hop onto the beltway briefly and take the GW parkway back in. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 14:45:39 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:44:00 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Michael Jordan" , I used to be a big fan of The Irish Inn and even had a rider's lunch there in Feb\Mar. Jonathan, Rich and Paul made it. Great little place, also pricy but a fun ride as well. It rained that day. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch > My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. I kinda like the ride to "The Front Porch" at Seneca Rocks. Much rather do that than screw with in-town traffic. If that's a bit far, try the Irish Inn at Glen Echo. I don't like it quite as well as I liked "The Inn at Glen Echo", but it's still very nice. Plus, you can take the Clara Barton out, hop onto the beltway briefly and take the GW parkway back in. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 14:55:19 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:55:06 -0500 Julian, I think you meant to catch a LEFT on 15th. If you go right, you'll head down to Maine Ave. Not that there aren't some interesting places down along the SW waterfront, but it won't get you to a restaurant on F St NW. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0500 > > > >So how many good lunches does the Ballston area really have to offer? With >the exception of the exquisite Café Tirolo, the majority of places are your >high carb, low nutrient serving chains. The answer is to hop on the bike. >66 E down to Independence. Catch that woefully short light to hang a right >on 15th. Keep your eyes open for comatose limo drivers, angst-ridden >tourists and your pedestrians run amok that think they are above the law >and impervious to bikes. Hang another right on F and cross 14th. Pull a U >in front of FineMundo and park your bike directly beside the bus stop. >Note that from the bar area you will have eyes on bike the whole time you >enjoy a stellar meal. > >$16.95 gets you Caesar salad, your choice of simple yet delicious Italian >entrée and a beverage. The servers are ultra-courteous and friendly. Again >your bike is right out front so woe to the chance taking meter maid or >oblivious SUV owner that might tamper with your ride. This is a rare thing >so splurge on the hazelnut cake with vanilla sauce. Relax, enjoy life, >have a wonderful meal and hop back onto the bike for a smooth ride back >into Ballston. >My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 15:02:05 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:01:53 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Perry Coleman" , Perry, you are absolutely correct! Hang a right on 15th. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Julian, I think you meant to catch a LEFT on 15th. If you go right, you'll head down to Maine Ave. Not that there aren't some interesting places down along the SW waterfront, but it won't get you to a restaurant on F St NW. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0500 > > > >So how many good lunches does the Ballston area really have to offer? >With the exception of the exquisite Café Tirolo, the majority of places >are your high carb, low nutrient serving chains. The answer is to hop on the bike. >66 E down to Independence. Catch that woefully short light to hang a >right on 15th. Keep your eyes open for comatose limo drivers, >angst-ridden tourists and your pedestrians run amok that think they are >above the law and impervious to bikes. Hang another right on F and >cross 14th. Pull a U in front of FineMundo and park your bike directly beside the bus stop. >Note that from the bar area you will have eyes on bike the whole time >you enjoy a stellar meal. > >$16.95 gets you Caesar salad, your choice of simple yet delicious >Italian entrée and a beverage. The servers are ultra-courteous and >friendly. Again your bike is right out front so woe to the chance >taking meter maid or oblivious SUV owner that might tamper with your >ride. This is a rare thing so splurge on the hazelnut cake with >vanilla sauce. Relax, enjoy life, have a wonderful meal and hop back >onto the bike for a smooth ride back into Ballston. >My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 15:03:24 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:03:12 -0500 Julian, I think you meant to catch a LEFT on 15th. If you go right, you'll head down to Maine Ave. Not that there aren't some interesting places down along the SW waterfront, but it won't get you to a restaurant on F St NW. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DCCycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0500 > > > >So how many good lunches does the Ballston area really have to offer? With >the exception of the exquisite Café Tirolo, the majority of places are your >high carb, low nutrient serving chains. The answer is to hop on the bike. >66 E down to Independence. Catch that woefully short light to hang a right >on 15th. Keep your eyes open for comatose limo drivers, angst-ridden >tourists and your pedestrians run amok that think they are above the law >and impervious to bikes. Hang another right on F and cross 14th. Pull a U >in front of FineMundo and park your bike directly beside the bus stop. >Note that from the bar area you will have eyes on bike the whole time you >enjoy a stellar meal. > >$16.95 gets you Caesar salad, your choice of simple yet delicious Italian >entrée and a beverage. The servers are ultra-courteous and friendly. Again >your bike is right out front so woe to the chance taking meter maid or >oblivious SUV owner that might tamper with your ride. This is a rare thing >so splurge on the hazelnut cake with vanilla sauce. Relax, enjoy life, >have a wonderful meal and hop back onto the bike for a smooth ride back >into Ballston. >My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 15:04:28 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:04:12 -0500 Eh? >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Perry Coleman" , >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:01:53 -0500 > >Perry, you are absolutely correct! Hang a right on 15th. > > >Julian Halton >Group Logic >julian@XXXXXX >703.527.7979 x 2338 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:55 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch > >Julian, > >I think you meant to catch a LEFT on 15th. If you go right, you'll head >down to Maine Ave. Not that there aren't some interesting places down along >the SW waterfront, but it won't get you to a restaurant on F St NW. > >Perry > > >From: "Julian Halton" > >To: "DCCycles" > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch > >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0500 > > > > > > > >So how many good lunches does the Ballston area really have to offer? > >With the exception of the exquisite Café Tirolo, the majority of places > >are your high carb, low nutrient serving chains. The answer is to hop on >the bike. > >66 E down to Independence. Catch that woefully short light to hang a > >right on 15th. Keep your eyes open for comatose limo drivers, > >angst-ridden tourists and your pedestrians run amok that think they are > >above the law and impervious to bikes. Hang another right on F and > >cross 14th. Pull a U in front of FineMundo and park your bike directly >beside the bus stop. > >Note that from the bar area you will have eyes on bike the whole time > >you enjoy a stellar meal. > > > >$16.95 gets you Caesar salad, your choice of simple yet delicious > >Italian entrée and a beverage. The servers are ultra-courteous and > >friendly. Again your bike is right out front so woe to the chance > >taking meter maid or oblivious SUV owner that might tamper with your > >ride. This is a rare thing so splurge on the hazelnut cake with > >vanilla sauce. Relax, enjoy life, have a wonderful meal and hop back > >onto the bike for a smooth ride back into Ballston. > >My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 15:11:47 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:11:35 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Perry Coleman" , Hang a left, I am directionally challenged today. Thoughts of this idiot in a for hire vehicle that attempted to drift me into a jersey wall have interrupted my directional capabilities. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Eh? >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Perry Coleman" >, >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:01:53 -0500 > >Perry, you are absolutely correct! Hang a right on 15th. > > >Julian Halton >Group Logic >julian@XXXXXX >703.527.7979 x 2338 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:55 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch > >Julian, > >I think you meant to catch a LEFT on 15th. If you go right, you'll head >down to Maine Ave. Not that there aren't some interesting places down >along the SW waterfront, but it won't get you to a restaurant on F St NW. > >Perry > > >From: "Julian Halton" > >To: "DCCycles" > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch > >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0500 > > > > > > > >So how many good lunches does the Ballston area really have to offer? > >With the exception of the exquisite Café Tirolo, the majority of > >places are your high carb, low nutrient serving chains. The answer > >is to hop on >the bike. > >66 E down to Independence. Catch that woefully short light to hang a > >right on 15th. Keep your eyes open for comatose limo drivers, > >angst-ridden tourists and your pedestrians run amok that think they > >are above the law and impervious to bikes. Hang another right on F > >and cross 14th. Pull a U in front of FineMundo and park your bike > >directly >beside the bus stop. > >Note that from the bar area you will have eyes on bike the whole time > >you enjoy a stellar meal. > > > >$16.95 gets you Caesar salad, your choice of simple yet delicious > >Italian entrée and a beverage. The servers are ultra-courteous and > >friendly. Again your bike is right out front so woe to the chance > >taking meter maid or oblivious SUV owner that might tamper with your > >ride. This is a rare thing so splurge on the hazelnut cake with > >vanilla sauce. Relax, enjoy life, have a wonderful meal and hop back > >onto the bike for a smooth ride back into Ballston. > >My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 15:36:03 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Content-ID: <1027.1131568556.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:35:56 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >... one woman said something like "I am glad they passed it because >seatbelts are a good thing but I never wore mine but now that it is >a law I guess I will." When I was a kid (1970s), nobody used seat belts. In case of accident, the front seat passenger was protected by his Dad's "superhero right arm" which deployed reflexively upon any sudden stop. Some cars had an annoying buzzer/beeper that went off if the seatbelts weren't fastened, so you'd always fasten them to shut up the buzzer, then you'd sit on them. As I recall, people started using seat belts when seat belt use became mandatory. Should we be so stupid that we need the government to tell us to do common-sense things? No. Are we that stupid? Yes, unfortunately. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 15:57:22 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Article in Sunday's Post Content-ID: <1089.1131569836.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:57:16 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >Training is unlikely to change the attitude of young bucks trying to >engage in the latest "X-treme" activities. Speaking of which, I think we need a badass catch-phrase like these guys have: http://www.dcsportbikeriders.com/ Their phrase is "Keep it on ONE WHEEL!!!" What should ours be? Any way, I don't think the dumbasses who die in an incompetent performance of a wheelie (either with or without pants) are necessarily hopeless cases. The problem here, I think, is a rider who has an inaccurate assessment of his own abilities. If you remember to use your turn signals, and don't run over any of the traffic cones, then you've achieved the highest pinnacle of training, you've earned the highest title we have to bestow, that of "guy with extra letter on drivers license". You're not riding around with a "beginners" license to remind you of your humble status, nor have you just returned from "intermediate lesson number 6" where the experienced instructor patiently worked with you on some advanced maneuver until, after much work and about 15 incompetent attempts, you finally did one that was "pretty good". Training that pushes against the limits of your abilities both humbles you and also reminds you of where those limits are. And, in a worst case scenario, a training regime that takes several months and requires extensive study can serve as a filtering mechanism to weed out the less "serious". -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 16:03:57 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:03:50 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX not sure.. but seems to me.. there was someone else too.. someone who had his own equiptment? (doing a quick archive search) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 16:11:45 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:11:37 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Don't see it. Seemed to be an older gentleman.. and I want to say for some reason, that he may have welded something excentric? (or cool?).. got this feeling he had an older truck or van and some property.. maybe he made a trailer out of a truck bed or boat trailer... or maybe it came up during a discussion of a boat trailer being converted.. it's probably been a year or two or three.. I used to enjoy his posts.. I was hoping to see the name and say "yea him!" but dont' see anything. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 16:19:15 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:19:08 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Welder Cc: DC Cycles Or.. there is a bike shop in beltsville I believe.. that the guy welds.. unfortunately I can't remmber the name.. champion motorsports? or ???? I believe they are asian. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 16:27:30 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:32:41 -0500 From: "lister lynch" To: "Danny Motorcycle" , "Brian Ray" Cc: OK, so I haven't un-subbed yet, but the welder subject caught my attention. Not older (I don't think), but I do have a whole fricken mess of welding equipment, and I'm not afraid to use it. Welded something eccentric - check. Older truck and van - check. Had some land - check. Made a boat trailer - check. Made a moto trailer out of a jetski trailer - check. Maybe not me you're talking about, but it must be my evil twin then. Just couldn't help noticing the similarities to your mystery man. Mike Just moved to VT, sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Brian Ray Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder Don't see it. Seemed to be an older gentleman.. and I want to say for some reason, that he may have welded something excentric? (or cool?).. got this feeling he had an older truck or van and some property.. maybe he made a trailer out of a truck bed or boat trailer... or maybe it came up during a discussion of a boat trailer being converted.. it's probably been a year or two or three.. I used to enjoy his posts.. I was hoping to see the name and say "yea him!" but dont' see anything. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 16:51:30 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:51:18 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Julian said: > $16.95 --- Michael Jordan wrote: > I kinda like the ride to "The Front Porch" at Seneca > Rocks. Julian's $16.95 includes fuel to Seneca Rocks and back as well as a generous tip for the server. Mike might not be able to buy fuel both ways, but that's because he fills all bikes that are operated by anyone named Jordan. Leon Begeman - hasn't been to "The Front Porch" since that last trip with Mike and Sean. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 21:31:53 2005 From: "smthng else" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:31:40 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Interesting article on The Dragon Hey all... one of my other list members sent me this and it's pretty decent. The local news station for the area did a short report on the Dragon and did a surprisingly good job. I'd recommend reading it first, then watch the two video clips. They're the same as the transcript, but it's funny as hell to see the comments in print and then to see the riders that are saying them. Some are idiots in print, but come across well on film, with others it's exactly the opposite. Nice bit of editing going on there too. If you watch the film clips, make sure you watch them in the right order - one of them has a "2" after it. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is 'God is crying.' And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is 'Probably because of smthng you did.'" -Jack Handey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 22:31:42 2005 From: "smthng else" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:31:33 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Cats and bikes don't mix (utterly pointless post) http://www.youthofbritain.com/chillout/ --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "Let me explain smthng to you. Um, I am not Mr. Lebowski. You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know, that or uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 23:06:09 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:05:53 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting article on The Dragon To: DC-Cycles --- smthng else wrote: > Hey all... one of my other list members sent me this and it's pretty decent. > The local news station for the area did a short report on the Dragon and did > a surprisingly good job. Pretty decent, but two weeks ago I rode the Pacific Coast Highway from San Francisco up to Menocino, and you know what? There are major sections of that road that put the Dragon to shame, and with breathtaking (and concentration disrupting) scenery to boot. Incredible. There was on steeply uphill, mile-long series of perfectly banked quick esses that was positively orgasmic. If you ever get a crack at that road, preferably not on a weekend, *do it.* -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 9 23:20:05 2005 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,311,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1782812314:sNHT19551692" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: , "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:17:41 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch Julian wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch So how many good lunches does the Ballston area really have to offer? The answer is to hop on the bike. 66 E down to Independence. Catch that woefully short light to hang a right on 15th. Keep your eyes open for comatose limo drivers, angst-ridden tourists and your pedestriansHang another right on F and cross 14th. and park Italian entrée and a beverage. The servers are ultra-courteous and friendly. Again your bike is right out front . This is a rare thing so splurge on the hazelnut cake with vanilla sauce. Relax, enjoy life, have a wonderful meal and hop back onto the bike for a smooth ride back into Ballston. My favorite ride to lunch. Thought I would share. I try to get out and do this on Sundays when the shop is closed. Here's my lunch ride: since moving to the new surroundings would have to be to hop on the bike and head up 421N., catch some cheap gas after crossing in to TN, ride through Mountain City, watch for speed traps! Once you break free of the booming metropolis of Mountain City, 421 opens up a bit and you will head for the wonderful roads of Shady Valley, AKA, The Playground. I have yet to spy a pedestrian on the road at all. The local commuter traffic is usually more than accepting of passes, no egos here. Trucks are warned with signs to consider alternate route due to the extreme hills and curves (489 curves says the web site: http://www.shadyvalleycountrystore.com/country_store_001.htm). Stop at the Shady Valley country store, have a seat under the covered awnings kindly provided for motorcyclists, complete with fans running during hot weather. From there I like to continue on to what we call the second half of Shady Valley, complete with fresh pavement. This section is less twisty, but has fantastic sweepers. You will also cross the AT on this section, but I have yet to see any hikers. At some point, head towards Damascus, VA. The friendliest hiker/biker town on the East Coast. There's a nice little Italian restaurant on the main drag. Enjoy the scenery as everyone is either hiking, riding a bicycle, or a motorcycle. http://www.adventuredamascus.com/Damascus.htm From there I will usually take a shorter route home via 91, which cuts through the Cherokee (sp?) National Forest. It's also a fun route, but there is more truck and tourist traffic. In reality, my lunch break usually involves taking a cage to the bank and running other cage-related errands in town but hopefully this will improve once I complete school in April 06..... Lisa Goddard all sorts of Honda's..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 10 05:05:19 2005 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:04:47 -0500 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX (Steven C. Di Pietro) To: you@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("DC-Cycles") Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] =?ISO-8859-1?B?oENhdHMgYW5kIGJpa2VzIGRvbid0IG1peCAodXR0ZXJseSBwb2ludGxlc3MgcG9zdCk=?= X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO "smthng else" wrote: >http://www.youthofbritain.com/chillout/ > > Smthng, This had me laughing..... Wishing I was sober enough to ride, knowing I shouldn't have posted...... well, tommorow's another day...... I had been drinking at The Victory Lounge, in Pasadena, Md. and we came up with a Blonde version for the drink, "Red Headed Slut" Stoli Cherry Malibu Peach Schnapps Splash of pinapple Juice Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. and the Greater Baltimore region. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL   __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 10 07:41:32 2005 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:41:24 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting article on The Dragon > Pretty decent, but two weeks ago I rode the Pacific Coast Highway from San > Francisco up to Menocino, and you know what? There are major sections of that > road that put the Dragon to shame, and with breathtaking (and concentration > disrupting) scenery to boot. Incredible. I did that road in a rental cage once (driving SF to Seattle) - gorgeous road. Completely different from 129, though - more like the BRP. I plan to do a SCMA 4 Corners ride in a couple of years (when I retire and can dedicate the time to a long ride) and plan to do the PCH from south to north. Maybe ride a few sections up and down :-) The plan involves coming home across Canada - maybe via Alaska. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 10 08:06:14 2005 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:06:01 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto lunch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Alright, enough from you and those awesome roads around Boone! Mountain City is a nice little town. I'm just jealous I'm not down there riding them! Glenn --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > > Here's my lunch ride: since moving to the new > surroundings would have to be > to hop on the bike and head up 421N., catch some > cheap gas after crossing in > to TN, ride through Mountain City, watch for speed > traps! Once you break > free of the booming metropolis of Mountain City, 421 > opens up a bit and you > will head for the wonderful roads of Shady Valley, > AKA, The Playground. I > have yet to spy a pedestrian on the road at all. > The local commuter traffic > is usually more than accepting of passes, no egos > here. Trucks are warned > with signs to consider alternate route due to the > extreme hills and curves > (489 curves says the web site: > http://www.shadyvalleycountrystore.com/country_store_001.htm). > Stop at the > Shady Valley country store, have a seat under the > covered awnings kindly > provided for motorcyclists, complete with fans > running during hot weather. > From there I like to continue on to what we call the > second half of Shady > Valley, complete with fresh pavement. This section > is less twisty, but has > fantastic sweepers. You will also cross the AT on > this section, but I have > yet to see any hikers. > > At some point, head towards Damascus, VA. The > friendliest hiker/biker town > on the East Coast. There's a nice little Italian > restaurant on the main > drag. Enjoy the scenery as everyone is either > hiking, riding a bicycle, or > a motorcycle. > http://www.adventuredamascus.com/Damascus.htm > > From there I will usually take a shorter route home > via 91, which cuts > through the Cherokee (sp?) National Forest. It's > also a fun route, but > there is more truck and tourist traffic. > > In reality, my lunch break usually involves taking a > cage to the bank and > running other cage-related errands in town but > hopefully this will improve > once I complete school in April 06..... > > Lisa Goddard > all sorts of Honda's..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 10 10:56:57 2005 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:56:46 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: lister lynch Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wanted: welder Cc: Brian Ray , dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL close but no cigar From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 10 19:19:17 2005 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:18:55 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/10/05 Nice to read of 101 in CA, brings back memories. For those serious about making a trip out west sometime, this site is an indispensable resource: http://www.pashnit.com Personally, I really liked Rte 299 between Fort Bragg and Redding, which goes through the Trinity and Shasta national forests. Awesome road on two wheels! :) But in CA, there's much to choose from too. JK John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 00:14:16 2005 From: "smthng else" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:13:59 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: Interesting article on The Dragon I'm an idiot and didn't include the link. I can't believe no one called me on this! http://www.whns.com/Global/story.asp?S=4086767 --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "If smthng happened along the route and you had to leave your children with Bob Dole or Bill Clinton, I think you would probably leave them with Bob Dole." Robert Joseph "Bob" Dole > -----Original Message----- > From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:32 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Interesting article on The Dragon > > Hey all... one of my other list members sent me this and it's > pretty decent. The local news station for the area did a > short report on the Dragon and did a surprisingly good job. > I'd recommend reading it first, then watch the two video > clips. They're the same as the transcript, but it's funny as > hell to see the comments in print and then to see the riders > that are saying them. Some are idiots in print, but come > across well on film, with others it's exactly the opposite. > Nice bit of editing going on there too. If you watch the > film clips, make sure you watch them in the right order - one > of them has a "2" after it. > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > "If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to > tell him is 'God is crying.' And if he asks why God is > crying, another cute thing to tell him is 'Probably because > of smthng you did.'" -Jack Handey > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 08:07:01 2005 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:06:43 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... I need more practice! (Reminds me of keeping up with Leonard Roy :P) http://2st.dip.jp/bikemovie/src/up5837.wmv (21megs) Japanese motorcycle police competition. Thoese appear to be st1100's. Enjoy! Tom de From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 10:15:14 2005 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "De Boeser, Tom" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:14:56 -0500 those are VFR750F with some mods. Oh yeah, you don't want those cops behind you. I wonder if DC cops can do the same on their HD... --------------------- Shig Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... > I need more practice! (Reminds me of keeping up with Leonard Roy :P) > > http://2st.dip.jp/bikemovie/src/up5837.wmv (21megs) > > Japanese motorcycle police competition. Thoese appear to be st1100's. > > Enjoy! > > Tom de > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 11:14:50 2005 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:14:26 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] romp through paris apparently done in the early 70's. neat-o! http://aoctavio.castpost.com/rendezvous20_04.mov From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 11:32:16 2005 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:32:04 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... Ah, I didn't look very close. Now I see! My old vfr with bags ! :). Shigeru Honda wrote: >those are VFR750F with some mods. >Oh yeah, you don't want those cops behind you. >I wonder if DC cops can do the same on their HD... > >--------------------- >Shig Honda >99 750 SS (Track #881) >00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport >02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "De Boeser, Tom" >To: "DC-CYCLES" >Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:06 AM >Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... > > > > >>I need more practice! (Reminds me of keeping up with Leonard Roy :P) >> >>http://2st.dip.jp/bikemovie/src/up5837.wmv (21megs) >> >>Japanese motorcycle police competition. Thoese appear to be st1100's. >> >>Enjoy! >> >>Tom de >> >> >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 11:38:15 2005 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:38:05 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... Cc: DC-CYCLES I think these clips were kicked around on the VFR list a while back. Consensus seems to be the bikes are VFR400s, not 750s. On 11/11/05, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > Ah, I didn't look very close. Now I see! My old vfr with bags ! :). > > > Shigeru Honda wrote: > > >those are VFR750F with some mods. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 11:41:50 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] romp through paris Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:44:01 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC Cycles" It's been years since I saw that one, great film. It was neat spotting all the places I'd visited over the years. Beats having to spend $30.00 for the DVD. Interesting trivia about the film at IMDB.COM including one reviewer who claims it was faked. Trivia for C'était un rendez-vous (1976) * The film was shot in a single take, without any special effects or stuntmen, with the director driving the car. * The idea for this film came to Claude Lelouch after hiring a gyro stabilized camera mount for a film he was working on at the time. * While Claude Lelouch refuses to say who the driver was (although believed to be an F1 driver of the time) the car was his own Ferrari 275 GTB. * The film is nine minutes long because the film cartridge in the camera could only hold 10 minutes of film and it was taken in a single shot. * There was no confirmation of who was driving or what car he was driving. Sources variously claim the car to be either a Le Mans Matra 675, Ferrari 275 GTB, or, more recently an Alpine A110. * Lelouch was arrested shortly after the film was screened but was later released without charge. * The route taken in the film is 10.42 km long (6.48 mi). It takes the driver 7:57 to cover that distance, giving him an average speed of 78.64 km/h (48.86 mph). -- Subject: [dc-cycles] romp through paris apparently done in the early 70's. neat-o! http://aoctavio.castpost.com/rendezvous20_04.mov From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 11:42:23 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:42:11 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "De Boeser, Tom" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" That's skill!! -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: De Boeser, Tom Cc: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... I think these clips were kicked around on the VFR list a while back. Consensus seems to be the bikes are VFR400s, not 750s. On 11/11/05, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > Ah, I didn't look very close. Now I see! My old vfr with bags ! :). > > > Shigeru Honda wrote: > > >those are VFR750F with some mods. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 12:09:45 2005 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:09:34 -0500 Those are definitely 750. got pulled over by one of those back in the old days. They are insane. --------------------- Shig Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "De Boeser, Tom" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking lot fun... > I think these clips were kicked around on the VFR list a while back. > Consensus seems to be the bikes are VFR400s, not 750s. > > On 11/11/05, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > > Ah, I didn't look very close. Now I see! My old vfr with bags ! :). > > > > > > Shigeru Honda wrote: > > > > >those are VFR750F with some mods. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 11 14:50:05 2005 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:49:35 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Job Opening If anyone is looking for a Software Engineer position, please hit me up offlist. Moto content: I went to check out an SV650 for a friend last night. that is a sweet bike. makes my V65 Sabre feel like the top-heavy land yacht that it is. the riding position is a little more forward than I like, and the foot peg location made control operation not intuitive (for me), but it is light, and nimble, and strong for a 650. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 12 16:54:15 2005 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:53:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] OT: need house/rental lawyer To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX most jurisdictions have a precise framework for deposit issues, including requirements for a receipt, notice of final inspection (with the opportunity to be present at the inspection), actual records for expenditures, time frames for disbursing the balance, etc. often if any step is overlooked the landlord is precluded from keeping any of the deposit. it goes without saying that if certain property was damaged when the lease commenced then the deposit should not be used to respond to that damage. eyewitnesses to the condition(s) would be very helpful. tell your friend to consult with 2 or more landlord/tenant attorneys in the (unnamed) jurisdiction. the local bar association would be a good place to start. --- matthew patton wrote: > a friend of mine (a motorcyclist) is getting sued for > obscene amounts > of money that the landlord claims they incurred to > replace carpet and > repaint some interior walls. Naturally they are holding > the deposit > hostage as well. > > The unit was rented by my friend. The owners sold it out > from under her > with basically no notice and then claim they incurred all > these > thousands of dollars of expenses. What it smells like is > the owner is > trying to make the last renter (my friend) pay for the > buyer's purchase > demands of new carpeting and paint. The carpet/paint was > quite a few > years old before my friend moved in in the first place. I > moved my > friend out of this house and like any rental that's been > neglected by > the owners (vs tenants) for some time it wan't spic and > span, but it > was not even remotely trashed either and I've seen quite > a few houses > in my day. > > any recommendations? > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 14 11:16:40 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:16:22 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Good article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR200511 1100599.html Hope everyone here had a great weekend. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 14 12:50:04 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:49:19 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles , maggot Subject: [dc-cycles] janklow conviction upheld http://wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=429249&nid=104 PIERRE, S.D. (AP) - The state's highest court on Thursday upheld Bill Janklow's conviction for a 2003 crash that killed a motorcyclist, rejecting the former congressman's argument that there wasn't enough evidence for a guilty verdict. Ruling unanimously, the South Dakota Supreme Court also found that Janklow had received a fair trial. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 14 12:52:18 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:51:41 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] sad news http://www.nbc4.com/news/5320897/detail.html my deepest condolences to his family. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 14 18:58:21 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:58:07 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] janklow conviction upheld Cc: DC Cycles , maggot christ he only got a 100 days in jail and he had the nerve to appeal it? they should have reversed the ruling], had him retried, and sentenced to 50 years. fucker. On 11/14/05, skip wrote: > http://wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=429249&nid=104 > > PIERRE, S.D. (AP) - The state's highest court on Thursday upheld Bill > Janklow's conviction for a 2003 crash that killed a motorcyclist, > rejecting the former congressman's argument that there wasn't enough > evidence for a guilty verdict. > > Ruling unanimously, the South Dakota Supreme Court also found that > Janklow had received a fair trial. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 14 19:17:47 2005 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:32:38 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] sad news On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, skip wrote: > http://www.nbc4.com/news/5320897/detail.html > > my deepest condolences to his family. I agree. :-( There was a death of a biker at Mason Dixon, too. As he came through the traps, he was too hard on the front brake. Tire locked, then a tankslapper and he was kicked off the bike. He died at the scene :-( -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 15 09:31:03 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:30:47 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] janklow conviction upheld On 11/14/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > christ he only got a 100 days in jail and he had the nerve to appeal it? > > they should have reversed the ruling], had him retried, and sentenced > to 50 years. > fucker. > .... Except for that pesky "double jeopardy" thingie, which I'm sure applies, even in South Dakota. How's the wrongful death suit going, the one where We The People are on the hook for any damage awards? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 15 20:03:32 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:03:05 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] janklow conviction upheld Cc: DC Cycles I guess you're right. I forgot he was asking for the verdict to be overturned for "no evidence" .. not struck down for a technicality. On 11/15/05, Paul Wilson wrote: > On 11/14/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > christ he only got a 100 days in jail and he had the nerve to appeal it? > > > > they should have reversed the ruling], had him retried, and sentenced > > to 50 years. > > fucker. > > > .... > > Except for that pesky "double jeopardy" thingie, which I'm sure > applies, even in South Dakota. How's the wrongful death suit going, > the one where We The People are on the hook for any damage awards? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 10:09:08 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:08:45 -0500 From: "Ambrosio, Dominic" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Winter bike storage I know there have been some strings on this already, but a buddy of mine is looking for winter storage for his bike. Anyone have any extra space in storage units or similar? He is looking for something close to the city (or at least Metro accessible if outside the city) and climate controlled. Please let me know off-list if you have or know of any space. Thanks, Dominic Dominic Ambrosio E-mail: ambrosid@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 10:27:40 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:24:47 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Winter bike storage DC winters are too mild to store a bike - tell your friend to ride it until the snow shovels clear the streets, then ride it some more! He might have good luck on craigslist, renting a private garage. Ambrosio, Dominic wrote: >I know there have been some strings on this already, but a buddy of mine is looking for winter storage for his bike. Anyone have any extra space in storage units or similar? He is looking for something close to the city (or at least Metro accessible if outside the city) and climate controlled. Please let me know off-list if you have or know of any space. > > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 14:13:08 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:12:54 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Cc: "Julian Halton" Subject: [dc-cycles] Help Please So, I went to lunch in Washington DC and parked my bike at the tail end of a spot with nothing behind me. Not my usual spot beside Finemundo but across the street. My spidey senses were tingling..just enough so the guy in a gray\silver Chrysler Sebring...license plate YFV-5523 backed into my bike. By some fluke no damage except for a scuffed stator cover. I saw the bike rock and then the guy took off as I was running across the street. Anything I can do here? Anyway of getting the address? Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 14:30:53 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:32:59 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Red light cameras Another city finds red-light cameras increase accidents: http://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/5762005cp.shtml Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 14:35:59 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:34:56 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Help Please Sounds to me like a simple case of hit & run. Call the police and your insurance company. Why do you need an address? On 11/16/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > So, > > I went to lunch in Washington DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 14:39:08 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:38:54 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Thomas Jordan" , "DCCycles" Not worth calling insurance it is only a stator cover and my deductible would cover it. I am just understandably upset that the dude took off. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Jordan [mailto:thomas.jordan@XXXXXX] To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Help Please Sounds to me like a simple case of hit & run. Call the police and your insurance company. Why do you need an address? On 11/16/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > So, > > I went to lunch in Washington DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 14:46:15 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:45:54 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please To: Julian Halton , Thomas Jordan , DCCycles >From: Julian Halton >Date: Wed Nov 16 13:38:54 CST 2005 >To: Thomas Jordan , DCCycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please >Not worth calling insurance it is only a stator cover and my deductible >would cover it. I am just understandably upset that the dude took off. > > > >Julian Halton >Group Logic >julian@XXXXXX >703.527.7979 x 2338 > so, still...get a police report as a hit and run. If they run the tags, it's possible his insurance company would end up paying anyhow. And you must not ride a Harley..because if you did, you would *definately* call the cops and get a report..a teeny tiny scratch on a Harley would easilly be double or triple your deductable. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 15:27:38 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:27:10 -0500 Julian, File a police report. I'm pretty sure you can call one in. It's been a while since I got hit in a hit and run, but I'm pretty sure I called and filed a report over the phone. Then, a cop (detective, I think) went to the site (it was a commercial vehicle) and confronted them. He inspected the vehicle and checked their logs. They had apparently doctored the logs because they did not show the truck in DC that day. My insurance ended up paying for the repairs, but I don't remember my deductible at the time. Of course, my vehicle wasn't driveable without the repairs - the truck had driven up over my right front fender. While I was driving the car in Thomas (or was it Scott?) Circle... Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Thomas Jordan" , "DCCycles" > >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:38:54 -0500 > >Not worth calling insurance it is only a stator cover and my deductible >would cover it. I am just understandably upset that the dude took off. > > > >Julian Halton >Group Logic >julian@XXXXXX >703.527.7979 x 2338 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas Jordan [mailto:thomas.jordan@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:35 PM >To: DCCycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Help Please > >Sounds to me like a simple case of hit & run. Call the police and your >insurance company. Why do you need an address? > >On 11/16/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > > So, > > > > I went to lunch in Washington DC > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 15:36:49 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:32:45 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Perry Coleman" , DC or VA police? It happened in downtown DC Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please Julian, File a police report. I'm pretty sure you can call one in. It's been a while since I got hit in a hit and run, but I'm pretty sure I called and filed a report over the phone. Then, a cop (detective, I think) went to the site (it was a commercial vehicle) and confronted them. He inspected the vehicle and checked their logs. They had apparently doctored the logs because they did not show the truck in DC that day. My insurance ended up paying for the repairs, but I don't remember my deductible at the time. Of course, my vehicle wasn't driveable without the repairs - the truck had driven up over my right front fender. While I was driving the car in Thomas (or was it Scott?) Circle... Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Thomas Jordan" , "DCCycles" > >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:38:54 -0500 > >Not worth calling insurance it is only a stator cover and my deductible >would cover it. I am just understandably upset that the dude took off. > > > >Julian Halton >Group Logic >julian@XXXXXX >703.527.7979 x 2338 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas Jordan [mailto:thomas.jordan@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:35 PM >To: DCCycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Help Please > >Sounds to me like a simple case of hit & run. Call the police and your >insurance company. Why do you need an address? > >On 11/16/05, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > > So, > > > > I went to lunch in Washington DC > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 15:53:13 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:53:03 -0500 Julian, I filed the report with DC police. That is where the infraction took place. I have MD tags, and the truck that hit me was from VA. All that mattered was that it happened in DC. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Perry Coleman" , >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Help Please >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:32:45 -0500 > >DC or VA police? It happened in downtown DC > > >Julian Halton >Group Logic >julian@XXXXXX >703.527.7979 x 2338 > >-----Original Message----- [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 17:34:56 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:34:40 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Harley Open Houses Does anyone know if the Fairfax Harley shop is having an open house this holiday season? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 16 22:57:38 2005 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:57:24 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike knocked over, got plate#, CALL COPS Do not do anything else until you call the cops... which I assume are DC. You want a police report and then you want someone to look over the bike verrrry carefully. Get the name of the officer that you give the report to. Follow-up and don't be lazy about it. Some knuckelhead knocked mine over years ago.... didn't look like much.... but the handlebars bent JUST ENOUGH FOR ME TO notice on long ride.... "Didn't hear anything enough for me to notice it." yeah right he didn't notice the nice big bright red paint all over his bumper. You think there is no damage.... I'll bet there is more than you see. There was on mine. My spidey senses were tingling..just enough so the guy in a gray\silver Chrysler Sebring...license plate YFV-5523 backed into my bike. By some fluke no damage except for a scuffed stator cover. Anything I can do here? Anyway of getting the address? Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 17 08:17:47 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:17:37 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Help Please Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes, you should call the police, and your deductible shouldn't even apply, since you're not at fault. right? or even if your ins co says your deductible would count, then instead, you should contact his insurance co directly so that it won't count, and let them pay you directly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 09:54:45 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:56:52 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? What's the best recommendation for a heated jacket and gloves? Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 09:59:49 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:59:40 -0500 Gerbings thin jacket liner, gloves, and their dual-heat troller. Have never tried their pant liners or socks. Not sure if he's still does this, but the local distributor was Mike Vlahos up in Mt. Airy, MD. http://www.gerbing.com/ Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:56:52 -0500 What's the best recommendation for a heated jacket and gloves? Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 10:09:37 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:09:28 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Rob Keiser Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? Cc: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 11/18/05, Rob Keiser wrote: > Gerbings thin jacket liner, gloves, and their dual-heat troller. Have never > tried their pant liners or socks. > > Not sure if he's still does this, but the local distributor was Mike Vlahos > up in Mt. Airy, MD. > > http://www.gerbing.com/ > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: "Cedric Bernescut" > To: "DC Cycles" > Subject: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:56:52 -0500 > > What's the best recommendation for a heated jacket and gloves? > > Cedric Bernescut I was fine with just heated grips this morning. But I go have the Gerbings jacket liner (the thin one) Gerbings heated gloves and heated socks when the weather gets rough. I'm not sure I'd spend the money on the socks again. I've only worn 'em three or four times, on really long rides. Jacket liner + gloves should keep you toasty enough on a commute. I gotta remember to take the seat off the KLR and fish out the pigtail for my 'lectrics. :) Gerbings usually has a booth at the MC show in January, if you can wait that long. I visited Mike Vlahos five years ago (w/e before Turkey Day) and he set me up. Even installed the pigtail on my bike while I waited. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 10:20:52 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:20:36 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX and here I sit in sunny southern FL with the low of 70 deg. If anyone wants a set of new gerbings glove liners, I got a pair. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 10:23:39 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:23:31 -0500 I like my Widder vest with the electronic controller, under my First Gear Kilimanjaro jacket. If it drops much below freezing, I can even zip the fleece lining into the jacket. Otherwise, the vest is enough. Others swear by the Gerbing gear. I have been thinking about heated grips, of some sort. I hate wearing heavy gloves, but my fingers do get cold sometimes. So I wear liners and medium-weight gloves down to around freezing. Heavier gauntlets if it is really cold. Perry >From: "Cedric Bernescut" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? >Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:56:52 -0500 > >What's the best recommendation for a heated jacket and gloves? > >Cedric Bernescut >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 10:24:56 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:24:45 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: Gearne Shockwave Race Boots Now $119 if anyone hasn't seen it yet. --- Paul Thompson wrote: > From: Paul Thompson > To: pattonme@XXXXXX > Subject: Gearne Shockwave Race Boots Now $119 > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:59:40 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Gearne Shockwave Race Boots Now $119 > > Anytime we can offer a quality race boot as low as > $119, we jump on it, so we bought every boot left in > the distributor's inventory in this style. 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To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I bought Gerbing's gloves this fall. They're plenty warm even without the electric, I'd say down to 40 degrees or so. Once it dips below that I use plug them in without a heat controller (that costs about another $60), and they don't get too hot for me. They were perfect this morning. I have firstgear overpants, and they kept my lower body plenty warm over a pair of jeans. Add a underarmour cold gear mock turtleneck under my sweater and leather jacket. The only part of me that was cold today was my neck and chin. I'm going to look into a silk balaclava, then I should be good for the winter. Jeff Black 2003 Triumph Speed Four --- Perry Coleman wrote: > I like my Widder vest with the electronic > controller, under my First Gear > Kilimanjaro jacket. If it drops much below freezing, > I can even zip the > fleece lining into the jacket. Otherwise, the vest > is enough. > > Others swear by the Gerbing gear. > > I have been thinking about heated grips, of some > sort. I hate wearing heavy > gloves, but my fingers do get cold sometimes. So I > wear liners and > medium-weight gloves down to around freezing. > Heavier gauntlets if it is > really cold. > > Perry > > >From: "Cedric Bernescut" > >To: "DC Cycles" > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister > off today? > >Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:56:52 -0500 > > > >What's the best recommendation for a heated jacket > and gloves? > > > >Cedric Bernescut > >2000 CBR600F4 > >Annandale, VA > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 11:16:57 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:16:40 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jeff Schmidt wrote: > and chin. I'm going to look into a silk balaclava, > then I should be good for the winter. go to Performance Bicycles (or any other bike shop) and get a fleece neck tube. I've had mine for 10 years. wonderfully effective. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 11:22:55 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:22:42 -0500 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" To: Or you could go to an outdoor store like an REI or Hudson Trail Outfitter and get a Balaclava that is thin on top and windproof fleese on the bottom around the neck to keep the wind off. I might try and go to a fabric store and make my own. I think that a couple of folks have made a neck thing them selves. Just my .02 Art Silver go to Performance Bicycles (or any other bike shop) and get a fleece neck tube. I've had mine for 10 years. wonderfully effective. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 11:23:05 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:22:51 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "matthew patton" , The R1 engine....drinks in this icy air. The RAM air intake loves it. Operating temps are at about 20 degrees cooler than normal. As for the bike being backed into, turns out after a super careful examination, I have a slightly bent side stand, a small scratch on a crank case cover and nothing else. Very Happy today!!!! Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? and here I sit in sunny southern FL with the low of 70 deg. If anyone wants a set of new gerbings glove liners, I got a pair. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 11:46:32 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:46:25 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 11/18/05, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > Or you could go to an outdoor store like an REI or Hudson Trail > Outfitter and get a Balaclava that is thin on top and windproof fleese > on the bottom around the neck to keep the wind off. I might try and go > to a fabric store and make my own. I think that a couple of folks have > made a neck thing them selves. Just my .02 > > Art Silver > Make your own? Carl Custer, call your office. Search the archives. Custer has a recipe for one. I got one of those dual-density balaclava (called "Shellaclava"?) from the Aero$tich catalog. Truthfully, the high collar on the fleece vest I have works just as well. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 12:29:35 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:28:29 -0500 To: "Rob Keiser" , bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? At 09:59 AM 11/18/2005 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote: >Gerbings thin jacket liner, gloves, and their dual-heat troller. Have never >tried their pant liners or socks. I know several people with the pant liners and they like them. I've heard some complaints about the socks...the wire runs under the foot, and some people are annoyed by this. >Not sure if he's still does this, but the local distributor was Mike Vlahos >up in Mt. Airy, MD. He still does. He was at the MC-HOG meeting in October showing off his stuff. His card is around here somewhere... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 13:42:28 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:42:16 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red light cameras That's a PR release from a company that sells license plate spray for defeating the cameras. Their quoted news source is a newspaper named the Colorado Avalanche, but that appears to be only the name of Denver's Hockey team. I checked the NMA at www.motorists.org but they don't mention it. Anybody have a link to the original source on this? thanks, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Cedric Bernescut" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:32:59 -0500 >Another city finds red-light cameras increase accidents: >http://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/5762005cp.shtml > > >Cedric Bernescut >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 14:03:05 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:05:20 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Speed camera problem Some people haven't figured them out yet: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91059-13464706,00.html Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 14:05:07 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Red light cameras Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:07:23 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC Cycles" Fox news dis a test and there is a video clip of the demonstration, but I couldn't find it at the moment. This article from the Times covers the issue: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030703-120901-3612r.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:chris01@XXXXXX] To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red light cameras That's a PR release from a company that sells license plate spray for defeating the cameras. Their quoted news source is a newspaper named the Colorado Avalanche, but that appears to be only the name of Denver's Hockey team. I checked the NMA at www.motorists.org but they don't mention it. Anybody have a link to the original source on this? thanks, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Cedric Bernescut" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:32:59 -0500 >Another city finds red-light cameras increase accidents: >http://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/5762005cp.shtml > > >Cedric Bernescut >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 14:15:05 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:32 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Who else froze their keister off today? I love my gerbing heated full jacket as recommended on list. Gerbing heated gauntlet gloves are warm, but the wires irritate my hands. I still freeze the little spot under my chin, no matter what muff or balaclava I wear. Cedric Bernescut wrote: >What's the best recommendation for a heated jacket and gloves? > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 14:20:59 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:23:16 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Incredible luck Motorcyclist flips over guardrail, falls 3 stories and lands in lake. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002630159_webcycle17.ht ml Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 15:46:43 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:46:28 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Red light cameras Thanks. What I was curious about was the claim that another city had increased wrecks at red-light-camera intersections. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Cedric Bernescut" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:07:23 -0500 >Fox news dis a test and there is a video clip of the demonstration, but >I couldn't find it at the moment. This article from the Times covers >the issue: >http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030703-120901-3612r.htm >Cedric Bernescut >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [mailto:chris01@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:42 PM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red light cameras > > >That's a PR release from a company that sells license plate spray for >defeating the cameras. Their quoted news source is a newspaper named the >Colorado Avalanche, but that appears to be only the name of Denver's >Hockey team. > >I checked the NMA at www.motorists.org but they don't mention it. > >Anybody have a link to the original source on this? > >thanks, >Chris > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Cedric Bernescut" >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:32:59 -0500 > >>Another city finds red-light cameras increase accidents: >>http://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/5762005cp.shtml >> >> >>Cedric Bernescut >>2000 CBR600F4 >>Annandale, VA >> >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 15:48:57 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:48:45 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Incredible luck Wow. The rider fell the height of 3 stories, into water, then swam 25 yards with broken bones to get to a little island! She's tough. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Cedric Bernescut" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:23:16 -0500 >Motorcyclist flips over guardrail, falls 3 stories and lands in lake. > >http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002630159_webcycle17.ht >ml > >Cedric Bernescut >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 16:17:20 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:17:02 -0500 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX (Steven C. Di Pietro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, GS_Bikes@XXXXXX, SOC-USA@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] metric bike-customizing tv show http://www.metrictv.com/ Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. and the Greater Baltimore region. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL   __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 18 16:20:47 2005 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:20:40 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: chris01@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red light cameras Cc: DC Cycles I heard hair spray works... worth a try if you already have some.. I spose. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 09:20:13 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:19:55 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: making a trailbike street legal? anyone know how much the dmv will hassle a person, if they add a baja kit to a dirtbike and try to make it a dual sport.. I think I heard that some say "off road only" on the title. I'm thinking about getting a 250 for non highway use, and trail riding, and it'd be nice to just be able to ride to the trail and do some around town stuff. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 14:18:47 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:18:32 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: making a trailbike street legal? Are you looking at brand new bikes? Two or four-stroke? My recommendation would be to find a Honda Reflex which was a 200cc four-stroke. Already street-legal and excellent for trail riding. Oh, cheap too. -T On 11/21/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > anyone know how much the dmv will hassle a person, if they add a baja > kit to a dirtbike and try to make it a dual sport.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 14:58:16 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:58:01 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: making a trailbike street legal? At 09:19 AM 11/21/2005 -0500, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >anyone know how much the dmv will hassle a person, if they add a baja >kit to a dirtbike and try to make it a dual sport.. Find out what the requirements are in your state for an on-road bike. If your bike meets them, it should be legal and the motor vehicle folks should have some way of so designating it, probably after an inspection. The major areas for a dirt bike are going to be lights and gas tank...those were the major differences between a dirt-only bike and an enduro that's street legal back when I got my Yamaha XT-550 in the 80s. Dirt bikes didn't generally have a full set of lights and usually had plastic gas tanks...which weren't legal for street use because they rip too easily in a crash on pavement and spill gas all over the place. The XT-550 was street legal, but it wasn't much fun on the highway. A thumper engine, knobby tires, high CG, vertical seating position, and only 315 lbs full of gas and oil are not good characteristics for high speed pavement running. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 16:11:18 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Fwd: making a trailbike street legal? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:10:53 -0500 I thought a Reflex was a scooter. No? LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Jordan [mailto:thomas.jordan@XXXXXX] To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: making a trailbike street legal? Are you looking at brand new bikes? Two or four-stroke? My recommendation would be to find a Honda Reflex which was a 200cc four-stroke. Already street-legal and excellent for trail riding. Oh, cheap too. -T On 11/21/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > anyone know how much the dmv will hassle a person, if they add a baja > kit to a dirtbike and try to make it a dual sport.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 16:21:03 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:20:56 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: making a trailbike street legal? Honda likes to keep vehicle names and reuse them... The reflex was a dual-purpose motorcycle back in the mid-eighties. Now it is a scooter. Remember the overgrown go karts they used to sell by the names of Pilot and Odyssey? Those are now minivans. On 11/21/05, LindaT. wrote: > I thought a Reflex was a scooter. No? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 16:45:31 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:45:15 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down Careful out there. Story of a no-warning skid. Having made plans to take care of a holiday chore, would I let a little forecast change to early rain keep me away from my appointed noontime round today? Of course not. So I found myself inbound on Colesville Road (about half a mile out from the Exxon Station) and wanting to change lanes. Some rain, everyone going pretty slowly. On the downhill, coming up to an intersection, and decided to (conservatively, obviously) change lanes to the right. Everything went but the contact patches, and I ended up sliding a good 20 yards on right side. I checked, a black pavement skid, most likely due to oil/etc. at the intersection. And I am indebted to higher powers. Teeny damage, given potential. No other vehicular contact, but there were plenty around seen as I skidded, including a couple of big trucks. My life was about to pass, after an "Aw Sh%&" and a very speedy dread of paperwork. Traffic stopped, including the massive trucks. A carful of black guys moved the bike to the side and offered lots of whatever help. My only hurts were hip and shoulder dings (now on ice). It took me a few minutes to realize my fortunate state, during which a policeman checked in (there had been other traffic problems in the area). An ambulance and EMT unit checked in later. After going through a gear and site check I took a ride up the rural street. All OK. From then it was just a slow, thankful ride home. One never knows. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > You think *your* hip hurts, boss? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 18:09:04 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:06:10 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] What is behind you? Can YOUR helmet see behind you? This one can. http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0510/051031_04n.html Pretty cool idea, if it works clearly. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 21:17:53 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:17:29 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down To: At 04:45 PM 11/21/2005, W.S. wrote: >"......A carful of black guys moved the bike to the side and offered lots of >whatever help." ..am I the only one that finds that statement a little racist? I mean, was it really important what color the people were that offered help? -aki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 21:54:43 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:55:09 -0500 To: Aki Damme , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down At 09:17 PM 11/21/2005 -0500, Aki Damme wrote: >At 04:45 PM 11/21/2005, W.S. wrote: >>"......A carful of black guys moved the bike to the side and offered lots of >>whatever help." > > >..am I the only one that finds that statement a little racist? I mean, was it >really important what color the people were that offered help? I didn't see it as racist, but it also wasn't important. Isn't it also sexist? I mean, does it matter whether it was guys or gals? Why not just "people"? Of course, that would be specist...is it really important that it was humans? And did it really matter that it was a car they were in? If they'd been in a truck, an SUV or a canoe...ok, maybe it would have made some difference if it was a canoe. Probably would have explained the crash at least... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 21 22:19:40 2005 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:19:33 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX A little racist? you got a problem with little people? you got a problem wth little racists? what about big racists? ok sorry for the joke. no, in this context, I think he was acknowledging help from a group of people who often get stereo typed for negative things... so in my book, he was giving credit and acknowledgement for their help.. and helping fight prejudicial stereo types. If had said something like "I changed lanes because i saw a car full of black guys" that would be different. I acknowledge the term "car full of black guys" often gets used in a prejudice manner, but IMO definitely not this instance. I also don't think it would be uncommon for black people to speak similarly if the roles were reversed. When I read it, the "catch phrase" caught my attention, but I thought to myself "oh that was nice" of "them" (jk) to help, and I also thought it was nice of him to acknowledge it. Of course you could always ask the author any specific questions if you wondered... - Danny dreaming of a utopia :) On 11/21/05, Aki Damme wrote: > At 04:45 PM 11/21/2005, W.S. wrote: > >"......A carful of black guys moved the bike to the side and offered lots of > >whatever help." > > > > ..am I the only one that finds that statement a little racist? I mean, was it > really important > what color the people were that offered help? > > -aki > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 07:22:43 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:22:19 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Yes, lighten up. Glenn --- Aki Damme wrote: > > ..am I the only one that finds that statement a > little racist? I mean, was it > really important > what color the people were that offered help? > > -aki > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - > Release Date: 11/21/2005 > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 09:52:19 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:52:11 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down What color was the car? > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > ..am I the only one that finds that statement a > > little racist? I mean, was it > > really important > > what color the people were that offered help? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 09:57:08 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:56:55 -0500 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" To: "DCCycles" I can't believe I read this thread nice and short report but damn just went off the deep end. My opinion is I want my five minutes back! Lol Art -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Jordan [mailto:thomas.jordan@XXXXXX] To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down What color was the car? > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > ..am I the only one that finds that statement a > > little racist? I mean, was it > > really important > > what color the people were that offered help? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 10:22:52 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:22:41 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- DCC'er down > ..am I the only one that finds that statement a little racist? > > -aki Pretty much so - but then you do tend to see a bit of racism in just about everything. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 10:45:29 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:45:14 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Tuesday Morning Entertainment http://media.kladblog.com/media/200511/trial.wmv From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 16:12:25 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:11:06 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tuesday Morning Entertainment To: At 10:45 AM 11/22/2005, Julian Halton wrote: > > >http://media.kladblog.com/media/200511/trial.wmv > ...am I the only one that noticed that Julian deliberately picked a site that was using .wmv format instead of .mov? 8-P -aki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/178 - Release Date: 11/22/2005 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 16:52:23 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:52:17 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tuesday Morning Entertainment Does anyone else see this statement as being a bit biased? On 11/22/05, Aki Damme wrote: > ...am I the only one that noticed that Julian deliberately picked a site that > was > using .wmv format instead of .mov? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 17:15:35 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:13:41 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tuesday Morning Entertainment To: DCCycles At 04:52 PM 11/22/2005, Thomas Jordan wrote: >Does anyone else see this statement as being a bit biased? ..am I the only one seeing the above statement as a bit racial? Possibly bordering on discriminatory? Or worse yet, communistic? bleh.. -aki >On 11/22/05, Aki Damme wrote: > > ...am I the only one that noticed that Julian deliberately picked a site > that > > was > > using .wmv format instead of .mov? > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/178 - Release Date: 11/22/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/178 - Release Date: 11/22/2005 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 20:05:45 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:05:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Wow, I found myself smiling at all the good cheer here today in a thread that could easily have devloved into smthng unpleasant ;) Happy Thanksgiving to everyone... there's lots to be thankful for. JK John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 22 20:11:10 2005 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:10:43 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX At 08:05 PM 11/22/2005, John Kozyn wrote: >Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, > >Wow, I found myself smiling at all the good cheer here today in a >thread that could easily have devloved into smthng unpleasant ;) > >Happy Thanksgiving to everyone... there's lots to be thankful for. > >JK ...am I the only one that... oh never mind. ;-) -aki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/178 - Release Date: 11/22/2005 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 10:18:22 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:17:54 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- Redux Author's comment on this apparently sensitive subject - Well covered by others. Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone (I prefer dark meat)! Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Reading too much descriptive fiction lately, Boss? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 10:39:17 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:39:08 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo In case you missed it..... --------------------- Safety and Stupidity on Two Wheels Wednesday, November 23, 2005; Page A18 Regarding Alex Roth's Nov. 15 letter about the difficulty of enrolling in motorcycle safety classes: The Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) is the developer of the motorcycle training curriculum used throughout the country and provides certification for more than 7,500 course instructors or "RiderCoaches" nationwide. However, the states administer the actual training through their individual programs. The MSF is aware of the lack of available training in the District. It has offered to administer a training program at its own cost, asking only that the D.C. Department of Motor Vehicles provide a suitable training range and classroom. At least initially, RiderCoaches would come from states nearby. The offer still stands. As far as Mr. Roth's inability to obtain immediate training, for weather reasons most states shut down their training programs at this time of year. Mr. Roth also mentioned that training books he ordered from the MSF were back-ordered. We shipped his order in a little more than three weeks, as soon as it was available from the publisher. DEAN THOMPSON Director of Communications Motorcycle Safety Foundation Irvine, Calif. ---------------- David C. Walsh said in a Nov. 15 letter that motorcyclists doing "wheelies" are a rarity. But in the past month alone I have been passed by at least two dozen "road rockets" doing at least 100 mph. Many more riders on more conventional motorcycles passed me traveling way over the speed limit. Perhaps Mr. Walsh could explain how "other drivers" induce motorcyclists to travel at speeds not even close to the posted limits. This sort of behavior is prevalent and obvious to anyone who does any significant driving in the area -- particularly in the Virginia countryside. Attributing this sort of riding to safety education, or the lack thereof, is nonsense. Blaming motorists for cyclists' accidents is even sillier. Reckless fools should have their licenses revoked. ROBERT L. RICHARDSON Woodbridge From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 10:46:54 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:46:47 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tuesday Morning Entertainment Cc: DCCycles See, that's why I like the sportbike community.. non of this racial bickering.. cuz everyone knows... sportbike riders love all races!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 10:48:08 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:48:02 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > > ...am I the only one that... > > oh never mind. > > ;-) > > -aki in group voice in unison: "YES YOU ARE" ;-) lol From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 10:50:04 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:49:56 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "W.S." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Slicker 'n -- Redux Cc: DC-Cycles I don't think that was neccesarry for you to say! Do you pretend your better because you like dark meat? Well I like light meat! :-) -Danny > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 15:38:26 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:37:55 -0500 To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo At 10:39 AM 11/23/2005 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >Many more riders on more conventional motorcycles passed me traveling >way over the speed limit. Perhaps Mr. Walsh could explain how "other >drivers" induce motorcyclists to travel at speeds not even close to >the posted limits. >ROBERT L. RICHARDSON I don't know where Mr. Richardson spends his time, I very rarely see *anyone* traveling at speeds at or below posted limits. When I do they are generally white-haired with heads that barely come up over the dash. Even when doing 10-15 over the limit myself I am passed by a steady stream of other vehicles going even faster. This area has rampant lawlessness on the roadways in general...and the number of speeding cars vastly outnumbers the number of speeding motorcycles. If you want to see how bad it is, just *try* traveling at the posted limit for a week... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 16:07:19 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:05:30 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 To: Danny Motorcycle Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX At 10:48 AM 11/23/2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > ...am I the only one that... > > > > oh never mind. > > > > ;-) > > > > -aki > >in group voice in unison: "YES YOU ARE" ;-) lol ..dammit..I TRIED..really guys and gals.. I really *tried* to start a flame war but the delivery was lame, the wording was poor and the whole subject just wasn't up to par. Then what do you expect. I'm trying to do this in the middle of going to the (clothing optional) beaches and sucking down as much Red Stripe beer as I possibly can. -aki (who's spending the week in St. Maarten, and won't be leaving until Friday). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 11/23/2005 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 16:12:07 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:11:55 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo Cc: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles tsk tsk tsk... speed kills :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 16:13:26 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:13:19 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/22/05 Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX You obviosly don't want to be liked do you! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 17:06:54 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:06:41 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo > tsk tsk tsk... speed kills :) Danny, we've been through this before - nobody ever died from going too fast. They died from stopping too quickly. In the words of Robert Heinlein (through his character Lazarus Long): "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 18:06:52 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:02:12 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo Cc: DC Cycles At 04:11 PM 11/23/2005 -0500, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >tsk tsk tsk... speed kills :) Yes, it does...but you still haven't managed to find the clue store. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 18:06:52 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:07:55 -0500 To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo At 05:06 PM 11/23/2005 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> tsk tsk tsk... speed kills :) > >Danny, we've been through this before - nobody ever died from going too fast. > >They died from stopping too quickly. No, they died from stopping too quickly from too high a speed. Stopping from 1 mph in an inch is no big deal. Stopping from 70 mph in an inch is. Was it the 70 mph that killed you, or the inch? Does it really matter if you don't have a choice about anything other than the speed? >In the words of Robert Heinlein (through his character Lazarus Long): > >"Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by >legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being >stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the >sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out >automatically and without pity." Yep. Another quotation from another source comes to mind every time Danny posts about this. See sig. -- Mike B. -- Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 23 19:32:38 2005 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:32:31 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo > Stopping from 1 mph in an inch is no big deal. Stopping from 70 mph in an > inch is. Was it the 70 mph that killed you, or the inch? Actually, it's "G" force over time. 1MPH in 1" is, as you said, no big deal, but you could postulate a distance that stopping from 1 MPH would be a big deal (I have neither the math nor the anatomical knowledge to determine what that distance would be). -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 24 01:06:05 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:07:16 -0500 To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo At 07:32 PM 11/23/2005 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Stopping from 1 mph in an inch is no big deal. Stopping from 70 mph in an >> inch is. Was it the 70 mph that killed you, or the inch? > >Actually, it's "G" force over time. Um, sort of, but not always and that's not a good way to phrase it. "G force" is acceleration (1 G = 9.8 m/s**2). Acceleration over time is velocity. >1MPH in 1" is, as you said, no big >deal, but you could postulate a distance that stopping from 1 MPH >would be a big deal (I have neither the math nor the anatomical >knowledge to determine what that distance would be). I don't think so. The problem isn't the distance, or primarily the speed, or even necessarily the acceleration...it's the energy. There isn't enough energy in a person moving at 1 mph to do much harm to that person. There is plenty in one doing 70 mph to kill them...if it's applied in the wrong way. Humans aren't rigid bodies, so you can't stop them arbitrarily quickly like you could if they were. Run a human into a solid object and the leading edge may stop instantly (for all practical purposes), but the rest keeps coming. this results in distortion of the body, which eats up energy in friction and other ways, but it also extends the impact time for the "rear" parts of the body, thus lowering the acceleration for those parts. The various bonds that keep us together are elastic up to a point, and stretching them eats energy, then they rebound, stretch again, eat more energy, etc.. Sort of like dropping a water balloon that doesn't break. We know from experience what sort of accelerations you can subject a buman to, and for how long, without damage. I've run into solid objects at more than 1 mph, and stopped in less than 1" before, The object in one case when I was 7 was a concrete building, and it didn't move noticeably. I was at a low running speed (3-4 mph at least). I'm sure parts of me stopped instantly, and other parts kept moving for a bit longer, distorting my shape a bit for a fraction of a second until it all rebounded (people are not rigid objects). I sustained a minor injury (cut on the head), and had some pain, but didn't require more than some washing and a bandaid. If that same event had happened at 70 mph I'd probably have been killed. The acceleration matters to the extent that too much won't allow the energy to be dissipated safely. So long as there isn't enough energy to do harm, you can stop as quickly as you like (within the limits of stopping a non-rigid body like ours). Once there's enough energy to do harm, you have to keep the forces used to dissipate it below the structural failure level...at that point the (de)acceleration rate starts to matter....and too many "Gs" will break us. The acceleration the human body can sustain depends on how long you apply it. We can take 1 G indefinitely. We can take 3 Gs for many minutes with some training (ala Apollo liftoff). We can take 10 Gs if in great shape, the right position and trained to handle it, for many seconds (ala F-16 pilots in a tight turn or an aerobatic pilot in certain maneuvers). We can take 20-25 Gs for a few milliseconds (ala a college football tackle). Get much over that, even for a few milliseconds, and you start getting structural failure. With the wrong body position you can get localized failures even sooner of course (broken bone in a bad tackle for instance). It's been a while since physics class, and it's late, but if I recall correctly (and if http://id.mind.net/~zona/mstm/physics/mechanics/kinematics/EquationsForAccel eratedMotion/EquationsForAcceleratedMotion.htm is being read properly), the equation for accelerated motion we need is: Vf**2 - Vi**2 = 2ad where Vf is final velocity (zero in our case), Vi is the initial velocity (70 mph), a is acceleration and d is the distance over which the acceleration takes place to change the velocity from Vi to Vf...in our case, 1". Do the math, adjust the units and for a 70 mph to zero acceleration over one inch you get 1966.97 Gs...i.e. "splat". If we repeat it for the 1 mph case we get about 7Gs...i.e. probably no noticeable damage. The 7 gs only lasts for about 6 milliseconds. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. 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Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Couple letters in the WaPo At 07:05 AM 11/24/2005 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Long post from Mike B. snipped > >Point taken. Told ya that I didn't have the math :-) It's not a simple problem. I hope I got it right enough for all practical purposes. ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 24 17:12:21 2005 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:11:56 -0500 From: Aki Damme To: dc-cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Snow in Herndon? I just read on nbc4.com that there was snow Wednesday night in the DC area, as much as one inch west of DC. Anyone know how much we got in the Herndon area? And if any of it is still there? -aki (who's obviously not in-area) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/181 - Release Date: 11/24/2005 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 27 09:47:06 2005 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:46:46 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] access to skyline normally you have to pay to get on the road. But looking at my GPS maps it appears a number of small roads cross Skyline. Has anyone tried getting onto Skyline thru these back roads? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 27 15:22:16 2005 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] any local Aprilia dealers? I've been away for a few years but didn't there used to be a couple of local metro-area dealers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 27 19:53:56 2005 From: "smthng else" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] access to skyline Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:53:49 -0500 > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Subject: [dc-cycles] access to skyline > > normally you have to pay to get on the road. But looking at > my GPS maps it appears a number of small roads cross Skyline. > Has anyone tried getting onto Skyline thru these back roads? I've tried repeatedly... Most aren't really roads, they're horse trails and fire roads. Some are there from before it was really a park because people had land up there. When it was made a park, they grandfathered in access to property rights... Any road that was there is still a usable road to the family who's land it accesses. If you view these roads from Skyline drive, you'll find most (if not all) have steel barrier bars in front of them to stop access. The couple I've found without barrier bars at the road generally have them about half a mile down the trail. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "Let me explain smthng to you. Um, I am not Mr. Lebowski. You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know, that or uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 28 09:01:57 2005 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:00:16 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Vanson GP Armor install If anyone has ever installed GP armor into a Vanson sport rider jacket. I have a few questions about aligning the shoulder pads and which way they should be placed in the jacket. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 28 15:44:13 2005 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] any local Aprilia dealers? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: > I've been away for a few years but didn't there used to be a couple of > local metro-area dealers? Coleman's the only one left. The other dropped Aprilia for lack of support, both sales and parts. -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 28 17:00:13 2005 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:59:27 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: WTB- 1990 VFR wheels Forwarded from another list. Reply to Martin if you can help him out... --skip -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SABMAG] WTB- 1990 VFR wheels Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:57:07 -0500 From: Martin Gerald To: SABMAG@XXXXXX I am helping out a friend who is internet challenged. He busted a rim a few weeks back when he hit a pothole. He does not want to pay dealer price for a new one. Does anyone have a 1990 VFR front wheel for sale at a reasonable price? He is interested in the rear also, but MUST have a front to get back on the road. FWIW, location is Chesapeake, VA. Thanks, Martin Gerald Christian husband and father motorcyclist CBSA #496:National Chaplain www.christiansportbike.com www.crcchesapeake.org 1Timothy1:12-17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 08:39:07 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:38:47 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" - co-written by someone like "Erico Borgi" (spelling) I had been awaiting this book for weeks. Ordered used from some dealer in Maryland - it never arrived. Ordered again from amazon.co.uk, I finally got a copy. The book is unavailable in stores here. I was hyped to learn a little bit about Rossi, Moto GP and the life of a professional racer. The book is only 275 big print pages long. The first 60 discuss Rossi moving from Honda to Yamaha. The rest of the book goes on about stuff I had already heard about - his "feud" with Biaggi, his propensity for gags, his light hearted, youthful attitude. This is all well and good but I got this already from the excellent film "Faster". We don't really hear what makes him tick, there is far less "man behind the image" then I would have liked. I was also hoping for some insight into technique and becoming a better rider. Well, I did learn that Rossi likes to practice on hybrid bikes in a quarry, "motorcycling sideways". Apparently this made him better able to sense traction and put the bike in controlled slides. The book was to the point, written in UK english and very dry. The motive here was profit, not an investigation of the man, his mentality and the world of GP. Much preferred Remnick writing about Ali or Hillebrand's Sea Biscuit to this read. My ten cents, Julian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 10:34:03 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:33:51 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" > Ordered again from amazon.co.uk, I Are they shipping to the Colonies now? The last time that I bought from Amazon.co.uk I had to have it shipped to a UK resident and he shipped it to me as they wouldn't ship to the US. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 11:07:37 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:07:29 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Michael Jordan" , They have been shipping to the colonies for a while now. I have never had issues with them/ Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" > Ordered again from amazon.co.uk, I Are they shipping to the Colonies now? The last time that I bought from Amazon.co.uk I had to have it shipped to a UK resident and he shipped it to me as they wouldn't ship to the US. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 11:26:25 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:23:20 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Riding yesterday I missed the torrential downpours last night, but riding home wasn't all that fun. It seems the combination of temperature and humidity, combined with the lack of sunlight after sunset makes it very hard to see around corners with crappy little motorcycle headlights. Fortunately I saw the bricks in time and was able to avoid them with my lightning fast reflexes and top of the line technology '97 VFR. I think the pucker factor played a large part in avoidance. Anyhoo ... driving in the rain at night sucks donkey balls when you have adrenaline fueled monster trucks tailgating you at 15 over the speed limit. My gear is soaked through, looked like I wet myself (again) so I am in a four wheeled death trap today. And driving just isn't that interesting. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ '97 VFR '01 SV650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 11:49:43 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Riding yesterday Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:52:05 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DCCycles" Glad to hear you made it through your close call. Riding in the rain is also one of my least favorite things to do as well, but caging it is not an option where I work, so I ride. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA And driving just isn't that interesting. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ '97 VFR '01 SV650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 11:59:08 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:58:56 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Riding yesterday Cc: DCCycles On 11/30/05, Mike Troutman wrote: > I missed the torrential downpours last night, but riding home wasn't all > that fun. It seems the combination of temperature and humidity, > combined with the lack of sunlight after sunset makes it very hard to > see around corners with crappy little motorcycle headlights. > Fortunately I saw the bricks in time and was able to avoid them with my > lightning fast reflexes and top of the line technology '97 VFR. .... Three words: PIAA driving lights. Of all the farkles I've put on the VFR, they're probably the most valuable. They make a world of difference on those dark, dark nights. They fill in nicely off to the sides when the high beams are on**, as early warning against Bambis and whatnot lurking by the roadside. This is probably second nature to most experienced riders, but remember the old MSF mantra about not "over-running your headlights"? Your headlights should be projecting far enough forward to illuminate your entire stopping distance. If you can't see that far, slow down. -=P **To be street legal, they must be wired to be active only when the high beams are on. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 12:38:03 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:55 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson Is Bill (William?) Huson still on the list? I need a patent search done and seem to recall that was his line of work. Always trying to help out my two-wheeled brethren... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 12:51:57 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Riding yesterday Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:51:38 -0500 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" To: "Paul Wilson" , Cc: "DCCycles" I second on the PIAA lights. I have them in all my vehicles. I also found that the Sylvania Silver Star bulbs are a good choice too. A friend has those and they are every bit as bright and cheaper too. Art Three words: PIAA driving lights. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 13:08:46 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:05:43 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Riding yesterday I run 55W aftermarket bulbs in the VFR (always have) and they are excellent on HI, but in this case I was on a curving exit ramp into traffic, and HI - although an option - wasn't one I was using. Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >I second on the PIAA lights. I have them in all my vehicles. I also >found that the Sylvania Silver Star bulbs are a good choice too. A >friend has those and they are every bit as bright and cheaper too. > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 13:53:46 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:53:25 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Riding yesterday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I run highbeams at night all the time unless I'm on the superslab or sitting behind somebody. It's just a matter of aiming them so I can see and not blind oncoming traffic. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 13:57:00 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:56:53 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] That's not a bike....this is a bike I cannot even imagine: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=2699&Page=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 14:44:03 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:43:54 -0500 Aaron, I asked about Bill a while back and no one seemed to know what's become of him. I hope he's OK, but he has not been on this list in at least a year. Perry >From: Aaron Maurer >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:55 -0500 > >Is Bill (William?) Huson still on the list? I need a patent search >done and seem to recall that was his line of work. > >Always trying to help out my two-wheeled brethren... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 14:44:34 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:43:46 -0500 Aaron, I asked about Bill a while back and no one seemed to know what's become of him. I hope he's OK, but he has not been on this list in at least a year. Perry >From: Aaron Maurer >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:55 -0500 > >Is Bill (William?) Huson still on the list? I need a patent search >done and seem to recall that was his line of work. > >Always trying to help out my two-wheeled brethren... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 15:27:10 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:29:32 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: A little Googling found this profile on the HydroRacer forums. I'm not sure if it's the same Bill Huson or not but it might be worth a shot. http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/member.php?userid=264 Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Tech Support: "What's on your screen right now?" Customer: "A stuffed animal that my boyfriend got me at the grocery store." Aaron, I asked about Bill a while back and no one seemed to know what's become of him. I hope he's OK, but he has not been on this list in at least a year. Perry > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 15:46:22 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:46:15 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Cedric Bernescut Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep, that's the guy. Thanks, Aaron On 11/30/05, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > A little Googling found this profile on the HydroRacer forums. I'm not > sure if it's the same Bill Huson or not but it might be worth a shot. > http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/member.php?userid=264 > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > > Tech Support: "What's on your screen right now?" > Customer: "A stuffed animal that my boyfriend got me at the grocery > store." > > > > > Aaron, > > I asked about Bill a while back and no one seemed to know what's become > of > him. I hope he's OK, but he has not been on this list in at least a > year. > > Perry > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 16:33:54 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:33:36 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" To: Julian Halton , Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > They have been shipping to the colonies for a while now. I have never had issues with them/ Only books, cds, dvds,etc. They still won't ship electronics or software, toys, games, gift items, etc. anywhere but the EU. See http://tinyurl.com/cwyy7 for details of their shipping policy. I keep trying to buy Microsoft Autoroute (the European equivalent of Streets and Trips) from them, and they won't ship it here. And of course Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, won't sell it in the US either. Oh, and you can't buy the English language version in EU countries other than the UK, either. El sucko grande. -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 17:28:41 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:28:34 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson Cc: Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill Huson.. I wonder if that's the welder I was thinking about? ... probably not??? dunno? On 11/30/05, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Yep, that's the guy. Thanks, > > Aaron > > On 11/30/05, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > A little Googling found this profile on the HydroRacer forums. I'm not > > sure if it's the same Bill Huson or not but it might be worth a shot. > > http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/member.php?userid=264 > > Cedric > > 2000 CBR600F4 > > Annandale, VA > > > > Tech Support: "What's on your screen right now?" > > Customer: "A stuffed animal that my boyfriend got me at the grocery > > store." > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > I asked about Bill a while back and no one seemed to know what's become > > of > > him. I hope he's OK, but he has not been on this list in at least a > > year. > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 17:35:03 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:34:55 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX What's so special about the european version? I have a feeling i'm going to want it. I like the U.S. version... so i'm guessing that version has an extra feature. You could always download it (I guess), buy the u.s. version, and mail it back to MS. .. therefor you paid for a version. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 18:39:25 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Call him up, I just found him on whitepages.com Huson, W J 5001 Wills Ln Annandale, VA 22003-6035 (703) 256-3115 --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Aaron, > > I asked about Bill a while back and no one seemed to > know what's become of > him. I hope he's OK, but he has not been on this > list in at least a year. > > Perry > > >From: Aaron Maurer > >To: DC-Cycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson > >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:55 -0500 > > > >Is Bill (William?) Huson still on the list? I need > a patent search > >done and seem to recall that was his line of work. > > > >Always trying to help out my two-wheeled > brethren... > > > > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 19:03:43 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:03:26 -0500 Well, it's good to know he's still around and kicking. Maybe he just got tired of us. Or, he's focused more on the boats and less on the motorcycles. Perry >From: Glenn Dysart >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:39:06 -0800 (PST) > >Call him up, I just found him on whitepages.com > >Huson, W J >5001 Wills Ln >Annandale, VA 22003-6035 >(703) 256-3115 > >--- Perry Coleman wrote: > > > Aaron, > > > > I asked about Bill a while back and no one seemed to > > know what's become of > > him. I hope he's OK, but he has not been on this > > list in at least a year. > > > > Perry > > > > >From: Aaron Maurer > > >To: DC-Cycles > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Bill Huson > > >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:55 -0500 > > > > > >Is Bill (William?) Huson still on the list? I need > > a patent search > > >done and seem to recall that was his line of work. > > > > > >Always trying to help out my two-wheeled > > brethren... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 19:36:09 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" To: Danny Motorcycle Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > What's so special about the european version? Ummm, it contains maps of Europe, not the US and Canada. 8;) We use it with a laptop and GPS to drive around Europe on our vacations. We're headed to France again on Xmas day, so I'm trying to get the English version of AutoRoute 2006 and load it up before we get there. > You could always download it (I guess).... Nope, not available by download. And even if it were, the almost 2GB would take quite a while. And as to the language problem, they sell AutoRoute in English, French, German, Italian, and Spanish -- but it's not a single product, where you choose the language at installation or on-the-fly. Each language version is packaged and sold separately. When we flew into Munich a few years ago to pick up my wife's BMW at the factory, all we could buy in Munich was the German version. Since our German is rudimentary, navigating the menus was a bit of a challenge... -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 20:54:34 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:54:27 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Is this what you're looking for? http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-AutoRoute-2005-BLOWOUT_W0QQitemZ5834069114QQcategoryZ73361QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 22:04:22 2005 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:04:06 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX unless I've got 2 email lists confused, somebody posted that the book was seriously lame. no character development, no insight. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 30 23:34:25 2005 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:34:17 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle , "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" From: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX At 08:54 PM 11/30/2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Is this what you're looking for? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-AutoRoute-2005-BLOWOUT_W0QQitemZ5834069114QQcategoryZ73361QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem That's the product, but I've already got the 2005 version. I'm looking for the new 2006 release. Thanks anyway. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 1 08:26:55 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:26:45 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Book Review: Valentino Rossi: " What if I had never tried it" Here ya go: http://cgi.ebay.com/MICROSOFT-Autoroute-2006-NEW-SEALED-WORLD-DELIVERY_W0QQitemZ5836913798QQcategoryZ96947QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Sorry I should have been paying attention. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 1 09:19:29 2005 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:16:24 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles CC: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] PIAA driving lights >Our server is not compatible with DCCycles' server anymore (@#$@ security). >So, if you feel this is worth while, please forward it to the list. >Carl in Bethesda ========= Wilson Proposed: Three words: PIAA driving lights. [Carl]: Two snaps and a triple "Uh huh". For those more parsimonious or penurious, there are alternative to the PIAAs or Hellas. AutoZone has a set of Pilots for $22 that project a nice tight beam. I have one on the left of two of my bikes. On the right is another Pilot with a wider beam to illuminate the road shoulders better. Molly Wart, PepBoyz, Haba Frate, etc, also have a selection of lights that carry the 55 watt H-3 bulbs for less than $20 a pair. Downside of these cheaper housings is water intrusion will screw up the reflector after a coupe of years. Electrical tape over the seams will prevent that (for the PIAAs too). Another option is the PAR 36 series of seal beam bulb. They offer a wide range of beam widths and wattages. Housings for PAR 36's are a bit more difficult to locate but Tractor Supply has 'em for !$15 with a 35 watt trapezoidal beam. I have one on the right side of my ST. On the left is a 100 watt "landing light" for projecting down the road. The bulb cost $15. The reflector is in a sealed beam so it's good. Downside is a spare bulb is bigger than a H-3. Yet another option are 12 volt M4 bulbs. But the only housing I've seen is the pricy fork-mounted aluminum ones sold out of Arizona. A guy on SabMag made housings from outdoor fixtures but didn't have ceramic connectors so they overheated. For full power, put the juice through a relay. Toggle the relay with switches within easy reach (or with the high beam). Where to mount lights is fuel for another thread but in short: You can make brackets from ¼ inch alloy bar. To bend, stick the bar between two bricks, heat with a propane torch until it bends. Then saw, drill, grind, file, sand and paint to meet your aesthetic standards. Headlight bolts, turn signal stalks, and frame rails are some options. Hope this is enlightening. Carl in Bethesda. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 1 11:23:17 2005 From: "smthng else" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] PIAA driving lights Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:21:13 -0500 > From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Subject: [dc-cycles] PIAA driving lights > For those more parsimonious or penurious, there are > alternative to the PIAAs or Hellas. Another good (and cheap) option are Hella FF50's. I have a set of the spot version relayed in to my high beams and they're monstrously good for the bucks. You can find them on eBay for about $30... Just make sure you go to the Hella site for the part numbers... There are three different versions of the FF50's and the sellers on eBay are notorious for describing them all as fogs when most are actually spot or driving lenses. One thing to watch out for with the Wallyworld cheapies... H3 bulbs tend to suck when you have to replace them. The wire is connected to the bulb, so that might mean pulling off fairing panels to get to the original connectors if you didn't realize this when they were installed. Also, there are a lot of "not quite standard" H3 bulbs... I had to take a Dremel to my Wallyworld fog light housings when I replaced the bulb. A real H3 didn't quite fit without removing a millimeter or so of the bulb opening. Not a big deal, but it would damn near impossible on the road unless you have a battery powered Dremel or just the right sized file in your bags. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "When you are down and out smthng always turns up - and it is usually the noses of your friends." -(George) Orson Welles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 1 11:47:47 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:47:36 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Santa came early It so happened that a certain business owner was in town from far away Boone, He was kind enough to bring along some goodies - replacement Vanson leathers and a new pair of Held Galaxy Gloves. Motorcycleleatherexchange.com to the rescue. Thanks so much Jay as I am now warmer, better protected and a lot happier. The Vanson stuff needs to be worn all of two times and then it starts molding to you. I have a lot of respect for their stuff as I have personally track tested the gear. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 09:09:51 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:09:37 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... http://media.putfile.com/CRAZY-MOTERCYCLE-CRASH Is the moral of this story: 1) slow down on city streets; 2) car drivers just aren't paying attention; or 3) all of the above. I vote 1), myself. The m/c seemed to be going quite fast, and I didn't see any braking until quite late in the sequence. Anyway, be careful out there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 09:15:39 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:15:32 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Aaron Maurer" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] More Okay, my favorite all around site with a little bit of everything. http://media.kladblog.com/media/200512/almost.wmv http://media.kladblog.com/media/200512/cnncarcrash.wmv http://media.kladblog.com/media/200512/toolate.wmv I am not pulling a for whom the bell tolls here, just posting up what they had on the site. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 09:21:47 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX the bike was HAULING! apparently he missed the lesson about looking for hazards at intersections. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 09:29:44 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... To: Aaron Maurer , DC-Cycles Bummer. Hope the rider is alright. If I had to pick one of the three options, I pick #1. The bike appeared to be going too fast for the road. Speed limit was likely 25mph, possibly 35mph. It looks like the bike was going much faster than that. However, in my world it is a combination of factors. #1 - the rider was going faster than he/she should on those types of streets. #2 - if the rider chose to travel that fast, he/she would be wise to be extra alert and responsive. #3 - it appears the auto driver sees the bike, albeit too late, at least this is the only just reason I can suggest for why they stopped mid lane like they did. So...if auto sees bike and stops mid lane, then bike should have also seen auto and resonded accordingly, ie slowed very quickly. Judging by the video, the bike was hardly slowing down at all. Thus, if rider had been paying more attention to road, in consideration of the high speeds he/she was traveling, they may have been able to stop or swerve to avoid hitting the auto. In the world of motorcycling, you don't wait for the auto to make the first move. I don't disagree that car drivers just aren't paying attention, but in this case, it looks like the driver may have been - at least partially ;) - Jimmy --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > http://media.putfile.com/CRAZY-MOTERCYCLE-CRASH > > Is the moral of this story: > > 1) slow down on city streets; > > 2) car drivers just aren't paying attention; or > > 3) all of the above. > > I vote 1), myself. The m/c seemed to be going quite fast, and I > didn't see any braking until quite late in the sequence. > > Anyway, be careful out there. > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 10:22:41 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:22:31 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... > #3 - it appears the auto driver sees the > bike, albeit too late, at least this is the only just reason I can > suggest for why they stopped mid lane like they did. They're absolutely stupid. A few years ago a person pulled out in front of me in Herndon. I was westbound on Elden and this yoyo pulled out in front of me from Lynn Street (by the old depot). He had fully blocked my lane when he saw me and just stopped dead where he was, looking at me with his mouth open. I came to a stop about 6" from his door, whereupon he took off. Had the asshole kept going, it wouldn't have been that much of a problem. I LOVE my Kisan modulators. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 10:54:12 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:53:54 -0500 Wow. Look at all of those assholes that drive past without stopping . . . > >http://media.putfile.com/CRAZY-MOTERCYCLE-CRASH _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 11:42:12 2005 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:39:51 -0500 From: Kelly Norton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... I don't know. You can figure out his speed from the video. The distance from the edge of the video to where he hit the car couldn't be more than 50 ft. It looks like it was between 1 and 2 seconds from the time we see the bike until it crashes into the car. If the distance was 50ft and it took 1 second to go 50ft then his speed would be about 35 mph. I'm sure someone will correct me if my math is wrong :) matthew patton wrote: >the bike was HAULING! apparently he missed the lesson about looking for >hazards at intersections. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 12:14:46 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:14:36 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Kelly Norton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 12/2/05, Kelly Norton wrote: > I don't know. You can figure out his speed from the video. The distance > from the edge of the video to where he hit the car couldn't be more than > 50 ft. It looks like it was between 1 and 2 seconds from the time we see > the bike until it crashes into the car. If the distance was 50ft and it > took 1 second to go 50ft then his speed would be about 35 mph. > > I'm sure someone will correct me if my math is wrong :) Of course I extend my best wishes to the motorcyclist, but it looks pretty grim. I second Matt: that bike was moving at a good clip. Kelly, that's the shortest "between 1 and 2 seconds" I've ever seen. :) I got around *half* a second from edge of frame to impact on three timings (0.57, 0.47 and 0.42 seconds). Even with a fat finger fudge factor thrown in, my conservative guesstimate is that the bike was going faster than 60 mph. Much, much too fast for an arterial street lined with commercial establishments like filling stations, IMHO. Easy rule of thumb to remember. 90 mph = 132 ft/sec 60 mph = 88 ft/sec 30 mph = 44 ft/sec 15 mph = 22 ft/sec Riders should always be in a position to permit a stop or a swerve. Always be thinking about lane position and escape routes. In high traffic areas full of numbnuts cagers (always a given) you should be travelling at speeds and lane position that allow for evasive manuevers. Gas stations are dangerous areas; the cage pilot was probably more focused on looking for an empty pump, and could have even run out of gas and stalled. Never underestimate the depths of lowest common denominator stupidity that you can encounter out there. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 12:40:57 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I timed it myself and agree with Paul. He was doing at least 60 and was probably in a 35. Steve 01 YZF __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 13:00:28 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:00:11 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX that's about 25ft distance. Like Paul said, the driver was almost guarenteed to be looking for an open pump (think about it, don't you?) and may have been also taking care to not hit a curb. There's 8 seconds of no traffic coming toward the car before the bike. So in all liklihood if the person saw the bike they had no idea how fast it was closing. The car driver should get a ticket for "failure to yield" and maybe a careless/inattentive driving citation. The MC would well and deserve a speeding ticket. At least it was a sedan so he could fly right on by to decellerate a little less quickly. anyone want to wager what the biker would look like if he hit an SUV/minivan/Hummer? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 13:37:36 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:37:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Schmidt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Ickes Vespa Accident I'm a little hazy on how this driver wasn't ticketed for anything by the description in the article. But then again, I've seen how laws are enforced in DC... From the Post on Wednesday: Seven weeks ago, Democratic adviser Harold Ickes was riding his Vespa on Pennsylvania Avenue near 24th Street when he collided with an oncoming car making a sharp turn in front of him. Initial reports to us described the accident as minor, but it turns out the 66-year-old spent two weeks in the hospital. "I would be dead if I wasn't wearing a helmet," he said yesterday from his home. Ickes doesn't remember anything after the accident; eyewitnesses said he was thrown in the air and crashed down on his right side. No charges have been filed against the driver -- "I think he just didn't see me," Ickes said charitably. He dislocated his hip, emerged from the hospital on crutches and still can't put any weight on his right leg. For the time being he's totally homebound but still consulting for Hillary Clinton's Senate reelection campaign. He predicts he'll be up and moving by Christmas but not necessarily on his scooter. "There's a lot of debate about that in my family," he said. "I hope to." __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 13:42:44 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:42:37 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was in the Giant a day or two ago.. there was a slow walking slow talking very elderly lady in there with a big purple bruise around her eye and some sort of bandage over it. Apparently she either lost her car (could not recognize it) or someone stole it. It was scary to think she was actually operating a vehicle. She came to mind thinking about this accident. Yes the guy was speeding, but also I noticed how the car just stopped there. I've had car drivers do that too. idiots. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 14:16:33 2005 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:16:45 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:42 PM 12/2/2005 -0500, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >also I noticed how the car just stopped there. I've had car drivers >do that too. idiots. Not necessarily idiots, but poorly trained and perhaps without the proper attitude to be a safe driver. I once had a GF whose mother was like that...any emergency on the roadway was met with use of the brakes. She was hesitant, a bit fearful, and not at all aggressive, so stopping if anything wasn't normal fit, but it isn't always a good idea. I've been in a number of situations where heavy use of the gas was a much better choice than brakes...leave the scene of the impending accident, rather than being there with less energy when it happens. I've found that one of the best rules to use to stay safe, whatever you are driving or riding, is to never assume the others around you will do the smart thing. In fact, it's often best to assume they will do nothing or exactly the wrong thing. Doing this may sometimes annoy those behind you (as when not assuming that someone will keep going on an acceleration lane so you stop or stay slow longer), but that sure beats an accident (again), and maybe the morons behind you will eventually learn these lessons too, hopefully without bending metal or getting hurt. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 14:17:30 2005 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:07:41 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... At 10:00 AM 12/2/2005 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >little less quickly. anyone want to wager what the biker would look >like if he hit an SUV/minivan/Hummer? Why stop there? Why not add full-sized van, bus, delivery truck, pickup (with or without poptop), semi, dumptruck, fire truck, ambulance, Brinks Armored Deliver truck, or combine harvester? SUVs, minivans and Hummers aren't the only larger-than-a-CVCC vehicles on the road. Yes, I've seen a combine harvester on a public highway...more than once...though not in a downtown area. Farmers often run them from one field to another on paved roads. Come around a blind corner too fast in some rural area and you can be in real trouble, as these things are *wide*. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 14:18:33 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... To: Danny Motorcycle , matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The car may have been stopped there because the driver froze after seeing the motorcycle speeding towards him/her. I can't say I'd blame someone for momentarily freezing up in an instance like that. A long shoot, but the car could've seen the bike and stopped, hoping to not further confuse the situation - thus "permitting" the bike to take necessary action to avoid collision. But, the car did sit there for longer than one would think. Probably just a case of dumb cager assuming they're the only vehicle on the road vs. an even dumber motorcyclist making the same assumption. Now, what if the moto wasn't speeding? Would it still have happened? Does speeding increase the likelihood of an accident.... ;) Or, maybe if the bike had been going twice as fast, it would have cleared the scene before the car even got there! - Jimmy --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I was in the Giant a day or two ago.. there was a slow walking > slow > talking very elderly lady in there with a big purple bruise around > her > eye and some sort of bandage over it. > > Apparently she either lost her car (could not recognize it) or > someone stole it. > > It was scary to think she was actually operating a vehicle. She > came > to mind thinking about this accident. Yes the guy was speeding, but > also I noticed how the car just stopped there. I've had car > drivers > do that too. idiots. > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 14:22:44 2005 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:22:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Seca II fix-up for sale Email me offline if interested. It's a '92, 12k miles, needs some (but not a ton) of work. Willing to sell low if you'll trailer it from its home in Alexandria. Thanks, -- Sean Steele Washington, DC cell: 202-270-8672 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 18:28:21 2005 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:20:16 -0500 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX (Steven C. Di Pietro) To: migs@XXXXXX, AACoRiders@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, GS_Bikes@XXXXXX, LDRider@XXXXXX, SOC-USA@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] United States Postal Service Unveils 2006 Commemorative Motorcycle Stamps http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0512/051202_01n.html -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. and the Greater Baltimore region. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL  "Mini-Cade" __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 2 18:28:34 2005 From: "Stephen" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] moral of the story... Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:26:11 -0500 ... jump! I'd also estimate that the motorcyclist was doing 50+ mph. At that speed, assume he was looking pretty far down the road and not at the oncoming cars one second away. I guess this because the front of the bike only seems to dive at about 15 feet from the car. The sun was low in the sky and facing him at about 1:30. The oncoming car was white/silver/gray and may have blended into the road a little bit especially since it made a very slow turn in front of the bike. If the rider was wearing a tinted shield he might have had a harder time realizing the car was pulling in front of him. I'm not sure I'd have been doing that speed in those conditions, but that sort of thing can happen at any speed. If I were on that bike, I'd have gone for the brakes and then jumped when I knew the game was over! Sure I might have broken an ankle, but I think odds of survival were better than staying with the bike in that situation. Scoff if you want, but I did it once and I'm convinced that the reaction saved my life when I got side-swiped in '95. Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 5 13:21:03 2005 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:20:37 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] from today's Dr. Gridlock chat... D.C. motorcycle parking meter rates RAISED: Hi Doc. I used to take Metro for years to work from MD to downtown, but with rate hikes, snotty Metro employee attitudes, arrogant and rude DC school kids, unruly crowds, and just an overall negative sentiment I have for Metro, last year I opted to get a motorcycle as a way to commute cheaply, conveniently, causing less pollution and road damage and to avoid any bioterror attacks on the subway and not have to be on anyone else's schedule. It was great for the past year because the meters charged only a quarter per hour. THEN last month they snuck the rates TO THE SAME RATES AS AUTOMOBILES!! The meters I'm referring to are located at 6th and Indiana Ave. Along with about 10 other regular motorcycle commuters, we happily parked there all day for about $2.00. It was a great incentive to ride a motorcycle to work....until now. I spoke to two supervisors, Larry Brown and Jerry Lyle, at DPW's parking meter enforcement division (or something like that) and they both gave me this run around and the famous "let me check that and get back to you" schpiel. Of course, NO call backs and when I called them back I got nothing but voicemails. VERY VERY VERY frustrating. The meters literally went from $2.00 to just about $10.00 a day. The incentive to commute by motorcycle has completely disappeared and without any explanation. I think thats what upsets us the most, no explanation, no warning, it was just done and thats it. Well surfice it to say, this has forced me BACK onto metro starting this week as its cheaper to ride that than my motorcycle. And now that I think about it, THAT is probably exactly what the impetus was, to force more folks to ride Metro. For many, many reasons, I hate riding Metro but I hate giving DC any more quarters even more. I'm now actively seeking employment outside the city. I just want to know why it was done in such a sneaky manner. Darnell Privott, Capitol Heights, Md. Dr. Gridlock: I'll ask. Discouraging motorcycle use doesn't make sense to me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 5 13:38:45 2005 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:38:37 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] "S" word - eke Hope y'all are stocked up on toilet paper, bread, milk, WD40, winter tire air and life's other necessities. I've just seen the first flakes (of snow) in Old Town Alex. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 5 13:53:45 2005 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:53:33 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] it sucks to ride in the rain it sucks to ride in the rain when this is the storm you're in... http://www.extremeinstability.com/04-5-28.htm --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 5 14:59:25 2005 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:15:00 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] "S" word - eke On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Paul Wilson wrote: > Hope y'all are stocked up on toilet paper, bread, milk, WD40, winter > tire air and life's other necessities. I've just seen the first > flakes (of snow) in Old Town Alex. I'm ready. I think this is still moto related... http://www.ls6.net/polaris/20051204 From the pillars at the end of the driveway, there is a steep drop to the right and an even longer run down to Thurston Road :-o -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 5 15:04:42 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] "S" word - eke Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:07:05 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DCCycles" > flakes (of snow) in Old Town Alex. I'm ready. I think this is still moto related... http://www.ls6.net/polaris/20051204 Anyone read the story about the Texas Pacific Group selling their final stake in Ducati? Apparently Polaris tried hard to buy it but lost out to another investment group. Anyone else ride into work today? I did only because I wanted to leave the bike in the garage at work where it will be safer than in the driveway at home. Cedric P.S. How many loaves of bread and rolls of toilet paper will that Polaris hold? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 5 16:42:13 2005 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:41:57 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] "S" word - eke To: Paul Wilson , DCCycles Yup, my bike was lonely today with only two other bikes parked near it. Weenies ;) . I did leave work (DC) around 2:30 to head back home to Herndon. Glad I didn't wait any longer than I did. Had to ride with my left hand alternating between keeping my visor open a crack and brushing slush off the mask. Lead to a VERY cold hand. Lots of traffic making a break out of the city made for a rather unpleasant, yet happily uneventful ride home. Will leave a bit earlier next time. Did learn that my horn accumulates snow and then doesn't work for a few seconds. Blowing the horn resulted in a muffled whine when a cage started sharing my lane with me. A few seconds later, the usual not quite as muffled whine was back to full volume. Ride safe everyone. - Jimmy --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Hope y'all are stocked up on toilet paper, bread, milk, WD40, > winter > tire air and life's other necessities. I've just seen the first > flakes (of snow) in Old Town Alex. > -- > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 5 17:11:46 2005 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:11:28 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] "S" word - eke To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think I'm going to try to stay on Army/Navy as long as I can. Not sure I want to dice with cagers at 50+mph in the dark and who knows what road conditions. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 6 01:00:25 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 01:00:15 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] I'm looking to buy a wrecked gsxr 1000 or hayabusa I'm looking to buy a wrecked gsxr 1000 or hayabusa. If you know anyone please let me know. title status is unimportant, bill of sale is OK, mainly needs to have a good motor. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 6 10:27:02 2005 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:26:27 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Ouch! http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1063/ Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 6 12:30:55 2005 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:30:45 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] International MC Show, DC ver. Just a reminder, the Cycle World International Motorcycle Show will be at the Warshington Convention Center, Jan. 13-15. http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/v42/index.cvn I notice there's a group discount available. $2 off the regular $13 price if you buy 20 or more. 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> > Phone: 1-888-FASTLAP > Fax: 770-424-4165 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 7 08:14:44 2005 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:14:30 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] International MC Show, DC ver. Cc: DCCycles If DCC is going to do a group buy, I have a friend in manassas who's making it an anual tradition to treat me to that event. She's game for going in on a group buy, and willing to purchase 2 tickets. (save her 4 bucks + standing in the ticket purchase line). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 9 09:57:02 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:56:43 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] How not to learn.... http://media1.Break.com/content/cyclewoops.wmv guess they forgot lesson two! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 9 10:19:25 2005 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:19:03 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO8859-1?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]_=A0How_not_to_learn....?= To: Julian Halton , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >From: Julian Halton >Date: Fri Dec 09 08:56:43 CST 2005 >To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] How not to learn.... > >http://media1.Break.com/content/cyclewoops.wmv > >guess they forgot lesson two! > "It's a lot heavier than a moped." that should of been his FIRST warning. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 9 18:54:46 2005 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:54:28 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles]  How not to learn.... To: adamme@XXXXXX, Julian Halton , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX just like when i've taught friends how to drive a manual auto - #1 is always rememeber the clutch! video reminds me of my MSF course ;) - we had a few folks who got their M designation that shouldn't have IMO. - Jimmy --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: Julian Halton > >Date: Fri Dec 09 08:56:43 CST 2005 > >To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: [dc-cycles] How not to learn.... > > > > >http://media1.Break.com/content/cyclewoops.wmv > > > >guess they forgot lesson two! > > > > "It's a lot heavier than a moped." > > that should of been his FIRST warning. > > -aki > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 9 18:59:19 2005 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:59:06 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]_=A0How_not_to_learn....?= To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX At 06:54 PM 12/9/2005, James O'Connor wrote: >just like when i've taught friends how to drive a manual auto - #1 is >always rememeber the clutch! video reminds me of my MSF course ;) - >we had a few folks who got their M designation that shouldn't have >IMO. > >- Jimmy I often seen riders that, based on the way they handle their bikes, is a mystery to me how they ever got their motorcycle endorsement. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 11 10:42:31 2005 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:41:40 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4510992.stm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 11 16:19:44 2005 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:19:41 -0500 X-FC-Form-ID: 141 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Subject: [dc-cycles] close call I was riding along Independence Ave just south of the Washington Monument, slowing down for a stop sign, when I heard or felt a soft ‘clunk’ and the front wheel locked up completely. Fortunately I was going no more than 5 mph, so there was no skid. But, I couldn’t move the bike---a big, heavy Suzuki 1100 from the early 1980s--- forward or back at all. Checked the brakes: nothing visibly wrong, and the rotors were the same temperature and not badly scored. Bearings? No, they wouldn’t lock up like this, even if they broke or seized. Gotta be brakes, but I had nothing much in the way of tools (bad, bad, bad!) with me. I tried revving the engine and letting the clutch out, but only skidded forward a few feet. Anything other than straight ahead threatened to skid out the front end. A few cars (including a cop) and runners went by without stopping, but a second cop pulled up behind me. He had no relevant tools either, he said. I wanted to get across the intersection and off the street, and he offered to stop cross traffic while I rode/skidded across the road. I made it about 1/3 of the way when the rear tire stated to spin and ended forward progress. Now I was blocking half of the cross traffic, too. Meanwhile, two other cops stopped. I suggested four of us could lift the locked front end and walk the bike out of the road. They weren’t willing to try this (no explanation given), and said they would call a “crane” (tow truck?). I said, “Let’s try riding across again, with one of you pushing down on the back of the bike to keep the rear tire from spinning out.” First cop did this, and it seemed to be working, after a fashion (I was headed toward a curb and still couldn’t go any direction except straight), when, suddenly, with a louder clunk, the front end broke loose. I could st eer again and wobbled across the intersection and out of the road. I told the cop I’d ride around the cul-de-sac there and would continue home if the bike cooperated. It did and I rode the 5 miles to Mt Pleasant with a deathgrip on the handlebars, anticipating another lockup, without touching the front brake. Back at the ranch, front end off the ground, the brake worked and the master cylinder seemed to be ok. Spontaneous remission? Maybe. But there was no way I was going to ride again without finding out what was going on. Disassembled the right caliper and found one of the two brake pads gone! It, presumably, fell out of its cage (this design doesn’t use retaining pins) and locked the wheel. No idea why or how. I put in a used pad I had saved out of pack-rat-itude and all seems to be working. But I still don’t know why this happened and whether it might happen again, which is not very confidence-inspiring. Especially when, had this occurred at a higher speed, on a curve, or with a car behind me, I would have been down. Next day I went back to the scene of the crime to see if the condition of the spit-out pad would provide any clues; never found it. But I am now carrying tools to remove and disassemble a brake caliper on the side of (or in the middle of) a road. So---anyone experience or hear about this happening? --garcia "What sort of “intelligent design” would be responsible for the thousands of genetic diseases that afflict people, or design species in such fashion that the vast majority of them are extinct?" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 11 16:48:40 2005 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:48:33 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Cc: DC Cycles Anyone know if MD calls 20+ reckless? I can't recall. Good for that judge. On 12/11/05, skip wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4510992.stm > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 11 17:07:33 2005 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:07:23 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: garcia oliver Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Very interesting! Glad it wasn't ugly! I hadn't heard of anything like that. I would probably be looking to adapt some calipers (rotors, wheel and , or forks downward if neccessary) from another model bike though.. if I were you. So exactly how do those pads get retained in the caliper? and how was your rotor after that? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 11 17:28:15 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] close call Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:26:58 -0500 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=smtp.vzavenue.net When was the last time the brakes were serviced before this happened? I would think that for the pad to fall out of it's cage the piston on that side must of retracted quite a bit. Do these brakes have pistons on both sides? Hugh From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 11 17:56:33 2005 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:14:08 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Anyone know if MD calls 20+ reckless? I can't recall. I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago, no reckless. Judge dropped it to 64 in a 55 in court... 1pt and I was on my way :-) Oh yeah, this was in MD. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 00:14:30 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:13:57 -0500 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=smtp.vzavenue.net I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. Didn't even go to court. This was about 6 years ago. I expect they would perform a road side execution in VA nowadays. Hugh -----Original Message----- On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Anyone know if MD calls 20+ reckless? I can't recall. I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago, no reckless. Judge dropped it to 64 in a 55 in court... 1pt and I was on my way :-) Oh yeah, this was in MD. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 07:46:52 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:46:38 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 20 over in Virginny is at the discretion of the ossifer at the side of the road - he can write it up as reckless or simple speeding. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 08:30:36 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:30:27 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Cc: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX There was a case in Virginia long ago holding the exact same thing: speed alone is not reckless. This holding was overruled by the state legislature in enacting a statute that penalizes any speed above certain limits as "reckless." On 12/12/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > 20 over in Virginny is at the discretion of the ossifer at the side of > the road - he can write it up as reckless or simple speeding. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 10:00:51 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. ... > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 10:07:29 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX heh, welcome to the joy of Suzuki's old 2-pin calipers. I'll bet you the caliper is the same as the <96 GS500e which has an inner pad that just sits there. >95 they changed caliper designs so both are retained on pins. The only recourse for this is to keep a very close lookout on the pad wear and keep them fresh. GS500e racers have been known to have no brakes when trying to slow for T1. Assuming my guess is correct, find some 96+ calipers off ebay and replace. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 10:09:32 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:08:51 -0500 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless but that don't get me to the church on time... sometimes you've just gotta take the risk for yourself and all those around you. matthew patton wrote: > > > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. > ... > > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago > > Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 > and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." > > Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 10:38:38 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] close call Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:37:59 -0500 I not sure that anyone plans on doing triple digits. Sometimes there is just the amazing alignment of factors that makes it safe and possible. I've done 100+ in the HOV lanes more than once. No traffic, nice road, no leos - it all just came together. And I've done track days too. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call heh, welcome to the joy of Suzuki's old 2-pin calipers. I'll bet you the caliper is the same as the <96 GS500e which has an inner pad that just sits there. >95 they changed caliper designs so both are retained on pins. The only recourse for this is to keep a very close lookout on the pad wear and keep them fresh. GS500e racers have been known to have no brakes when trying to slow for T1. Assuming my guess is correct, find some 96+ calipers off ebay and replace. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 10:40:21 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:39:50 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call > Disassembled the right caliper and found one of the two brake pads > gone! It, presumably, fell out of its cage (this design doesn't use > retaining pins) and locked the wheel. Had a Fiat 124 Coupe do this in Italy many moons ago. In my case, it didn't lock the wheel, just killed all braking whatsover - Whee! Love those downhill hairpins! Luckily, it happened just outside of a small town who's mechanic had me back on the road with brakes quickly. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 11:19:00 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:18:43 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Hugh Caldwell" , Roadside execution, sterilization of any kin, extended family prohibited from motor vehicle access. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:HCaldwell@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. Didn't even go to court. This was about 6 years ago. I expect they would perform a road side execution in VA nowadays. Hugh -----Original Message----- On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Anyone know if MD calls 20+ reckless? I can't recall. I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago, no reckless. Judge dropped it to 64 in a 55 in court... 1pt and I was on my way :-) Oh yeah, this was in MD. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 11:22:38 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] close call To: DCcycles Thank you Linda! i can't say that I'm perfect or that I want to go that fast on the regular roads. I love trackdays and would rather do that but no one who owns a modern sportsbike or even standard cruiser whatever hasn't been tempted at some point to see how fast they can go, usually in a situation as Linda describes. I know that I have and I paid the fine, not triple digits mind you but pretty close. Ian --- "LindaT." wrote: > I not sure that anyone plans on doing triple digits. > Sometimes there is > just the amazing alignment of factors that makes it > safe and possible. I've > done 100+ in the HOV lanes more than once. No > traffic, nice road, no leos - > it all just came together. > > And I've done track days too. > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > Hollywood, FL > IBA,BMWBMW,AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call > > > heh, welcome to the joy of Suzuki's old 2-pin > calipers. I'll bet you > the caliper is the same as the <96 GS500e which has > an inner pad that > just sits there. >95 they changed caliper designs so > both are retained > on pins. The only recourse for this is to keep a > very close lookout on > the pad wear and keep them fresh. GS500e racers have > been known to have > no brakes when trying to slow for T1. Assuming my > guess is correct, > find some 96+ calipers off ebay and replace. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 11:46:22 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:45:23 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=3Fclose_call?= To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Ian Schmidt >Date: Mon Dec 12 10:22:24 CST 2005 >To: DCcycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] close call >Thank you Linda! i can't say that I'm perfect or that >I want to go that fast on the regular roads. I love >trackdays and would rather do that but no one who owns >a modern sportsbike or even standard cruiser whatever >hasn't been tempted at some point to see how fast they >can go, usually in a situation as Linda describes. I >know that I have and I paid the fine, not triple >digits mind you but pretty close. > >Ian ..well I have to admit..I've tried taking my Harley to the limit once..but WFO at 75 scared the hell outta me. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 12:05:05 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:22:35 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, matthew patton wrote: > > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. > ... > > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago > > Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 > and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." > > Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. It's likely that I made more passes at the strip this year than any other list member. I even organize a race in the midwest each year. At 82mph, I was traveling at a safe speed for the conditions and I paid my road tax (ticket) for doing so. If I was racing, you can bet I would have been traveling A LOT FASTER than 82 :-) For the drag racers in MD, there is Cecil in Rising Sun, Mason-Dixon in Hagerstown, MIR in Budd's Creek (actually Mechanicsville) and Capitol in Crofton. 75/80 was in Monrovia, but this was it's last year in operation. I think there is another strip on the eastern shore, but I have not been there to race. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 12:11:49 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:29:20 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=3Fclose_call?= On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > ..well I have to admit..I've tried taking my Harley > to the limit once..but WFO at 75 scared the hell outta me. > > ;-) > > -aki I've done 170+ on 4 wheels, 180+ on 2 wheels... but 80mph on a newer Heritage Softail scared the hell out of me, too :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 12:13:51 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:13:38 -0500 Wayne, What's happening to 75/80? Are they being pushed out due to enroaching development? Perry >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless >Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:22:35 -0500 (EST) > >On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, matthew patton wrote: > > > > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. > > ... > > > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago > > > > Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 > > and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." > > > > Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. > >It's likely that I made more passes at the strip this year than any other >list member. I even organize a race in the midwest each year. > >At 82mph, I was traveling at a safe speed for the conditions and I paid my >road tax (ticket) for doing so. If I was racing, you can bet I would have >been traveling A LOT FASTER than 82 :-) > >For the drag racers in MD, there is Cecil in Rising Sun, Mason-Dixon in >Hagerstown, MIR in Budd's Creek (actually Mechanicsville) and Capitol in >Crofton. 75/80 was in Monrovia, but this was it's last year in operation. >I think there is another strip on the eastern shore, but I have not been >there to race. > >-- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 12:14:06 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:13:52 -0500 Wayne, What's happening to 75/80? Are they being pushed out due to enroaching development? Perry >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless >Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:22:35 -0500 (EST) > >On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, matthew patton wrote: > > > > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. > > ... > > > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago > > > > Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 > > and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." > > > > Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. > >It's likely that I made more passes at the strip this year than any other >list member. I even organize a race in the midwest each year. > >At 82mph, I was traveling at a safe speed for the conditions and I paid my >road tax (ticket) for doing so. If I was racing, you can bet I would have >been traveling A LOT FASTER than 82 :-) > >For the drag racers in MD, there is Cecil in Rising Sun, Mason-Dixon in >Hagerstown, MIR in Budd's Creek (actually Mechanicsville) and Capitol in >Crofton. 75/80 was in Monrovia, but this was it's last year in operation. >I think there is another strip on the eastern shore, but I have not been >there to race. > >-- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 12:21:08 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:10:43 -0500 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=smtp.vzavenue.net The big problem with race tracks is that at the end of the day you end up in the same place you started and the scenery never changes. -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless > I got a ticket for 114.9 in a 55 in MD. ... > I got a ticket for 82 in a 55 about 3yrs ago Repeat after me. "If I want to go fast, I will pay the stinking $300 and go ride at Summit Point or other approved race track." Geez people, there's even a drag strip or two in the local area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 12:31:27 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Perry Coleman wrote: > What's happening to 75/80? Are they being pushed out due to enroaching > development? > > Perry I think a couple of things are at work with 75/80: First, NIMBY. All of the people moving in to their $850,000 tract houses don't want a redneck race track within earshot. :-) Second, Bill Wilcolm's health. Bill had some serious health issues in the past few years. He's the owner of the track and his family owns most of the land around the track. Finally, money. I'm sure the land is worth more to the family with houses and other stuff on it than the track. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 18:18:45 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:18:32 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=3Fclose_call?= Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Since I don't plan on ever owning a car that will do 170, let me ask, how does driving compare to being on a sport bike, at that speed? I thought i heard somewhere that cars were less stable? being that 4 wheels counteract with each other? I don't know.. hence asking.. I know cars tend to spin out of control easily if the wheel is jerked @ 1/3 to 1/4 those speeds.. I find that speed on a sport bike fully tucked, feels merely as if i'm doing about 120 mph. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 18:43:07 2005 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:42:57 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call Not to be agitative to the good, respect deserving listers, but I actually plan on doing tripple digits. We all pay taxes for the road, and i'm on that side of the argument that we have a right to use the roads. Gov't recognizes our freedom to travel, I see nothing wrong if that manner is time effecient, if it poses no extra threat to our fellow citizen. I don't see tripple digits alone, as inherrently; evil, immoral , or endangering. I wager even some judges would agree with me. Sometimes tripple digits is only 10 mph over the flow of traffic. Of course I'm only talking about an accomadating environment. There is a difference between fast and reckless. I'm not even going to touch upon VA law being overbearing and should be rescinded. I also plan on doing summit point as well next year. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 18:43:54 2005 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:43:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless At 10:08 AM 12/12/2005, skip wrote: >sometimes you've just gotta take the risk for yourself ... Fine. >... and all those around you. Not so fine. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Dec 12 22:20:23 2005 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:20:10 -0500 To: Danny Motorcycle , DCcycles From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call At 06:42 PM 12/12/2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >.... We all pay taxes for the road, >and i'm on that side of the argument that we have a right to use the >roads. Who's on the other side? >Gov't recognizes our freedom to travel.... You made that up, right? >.... I don't see tripple digits alone, as inherrently; >evil, immoral , or endangering. Many grandmotherly conservative types do, however. And they're wandering haphazardly all over the highways to make sure that we, their enemies, pay the supreme sacrifice for our speed. >.... Of course I'm only talking about an accomadating environment. Which, unfortunately, doesn't exist east of the Mississippi. >There is a difference between fast and reckless. There are many bikers on the beltway, especially the NE quadrant, who don't possess that knowledge, sadly. >I'm not even going to touch >upon VA law being overbearing and should be rescinded. You weren't sitting in a bar when you wrote this, were you? > I also plan on doing summit point as well next year. Good plan -- enjoy it! I'm not anti-speed. I've driven thousands of laps at Summit Point, Watkins Glen, Charlotte, Nelson Ledges, etc. When I'm commuting on the bike, I've got a few pet strips on the GW Parkway and the Beltway where I often take a triple digit blast. (And in the personal quirks department, I've hit triple digits on either two wheels of four wheels *with the top down* on every New Year's Day since 1964 -- it's a family tradition.) But you've got to be very selective when you take those opportunities, because, on the whole, US drivers are untrained and brain-dead. It's not like driving the autoroutes in Europe, where you can cruise at triple digits in absolute safety all day long except for construction and urban zones -- drivers over there have lane discipline, which makes all the difference in the world. In the US, we simply don't have the guts to enforce a requirement for decent driving skills; this would somehow be interpreted as impeding on personal freedom. -- Larry (looking forward to driving those triple-digit autoroutes and autobahns from Dec 25th to January 15th...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 00:25:39 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:24:52 -0500 From: skip To: ll , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call first you said: >Gov't recognizes our freedom to travel.... You made that up, right? then you said: In the US, we simply don't have the guts to enforce a requirement for decent driving skills; this would somehow be interpreted as impeding on personal freedom. skip says: hmmmm. ll wrote: > > At 06:42 PM 12/12/2005, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >.... We all pay taxes for the road, > >and i'm on that side of the argument that we have a right to use the > >roads. > > Who's on the other side? > > >Gov't recognizes our freedom to travel.... > > You made that up, right? > > >.... I don't see tripple digits alone, as inherrently; > >evil, immoral , or endangering. > > Many grandmotherly conservative types do, however. And they're wandering > haphazardly all over the highways to make sure that we, their enemies, pay > the supreme sacrifice for our speed. > > >.... Of course I'm only talking about an accomadating environment. > > Which, unfortunately, doesn't exist east of the Mississippi. > > >There is a difference between fast and reckless. > > There are many bikers on the beltway, especially the NE quadrant, who > don't possess that knowledge, sadly. > > >I'm not even going to touch > >upon VA law being overbearing and should be rescinded. > > You weren't sitting in a bar when you wrote this, were you? > > > I also plan on doing summit point as well next year. > > Good plan -- enjoy it! > > I'm not anti-speed. I've driven thousands of laps at Summit Point, Watkins > Glen, Charlotte, Nelson Ledges, etc. > When I'm commuting on the bike, I've got a few pet strips on the GW > Parkway and the Beltway where I often take a triple digit blast. (And in > the personal quirks department, I've hit triple digits on either two wheels > of four wheels *with the top down* on every New Year's Day since 1964 -- > it's a family tradition.) > > But you've got to be very selective when you take those opportunities, > because, on the whole, US drivers are untrained and brain-dead. It's not > like driving the autoroutes in Europe, where you can cruise at triple > digits in absolute safety all day long except for construction and urban > zones -- drivers over there have lane discipline, which makes all the > difference in the world. In the US, we simply don't have the guts to > enforce a requirement for decent driving skills; this would somehow be > interpreted as impeding on personal freedom. > > -- Larry (looking forward to driving those triple-digit autoroutes and > autobahns from Dec 25th to January 15th...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 00:31:02 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:28:09 -0500 From: skip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] speed alone is not reckless sorry. forgot to include the tag. I thought it was up there with letting out the summer air and filling with winter air. apologies. --skip dc-cycles@XXXXXX wrote: > > At 10:08 AM 12/12/2005, skip wrote: > > >sometimes you've just gotta take the risk for yourself ... > > Fine. > > >... and all those around you. > > Not so fine. > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 06:44:17 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:44:05 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] close call Cc: DCcycles >.... We all pay taxes for the road, > >and i'm on that side of the argument that we have a right to use the > >roads. > > Who's on the other side? The Privlidge' crowd. "you don't have a right to use the road, driving is a privledge granted by the state". Hmm well maybe they should not take tax money for hte roads, and then re-administer those fees at licensing time. > >Gov't recognizes our freedom to travel.... > > You made that up, right? well with or without sizzors on an airline that's seems to be changing back and forth. > >.... I don't see tripple digits alone, as inherrently; > >evil, immoral , or endangering. > > Many grandmotherly conservative types do, however. And they're wandering > haphazardly all over the highways to make sure that we, their enemies, pay > the supreme sacrifice for our speed. Ship them to iraq. > >.... Of course I'm only talking about an accomadating environment. > > Which, unfortunately, doesn't exist east of the Mississippi. Now that's not true. > >There is a difference between fast and reckless. > > There are many bikers on the beltway, especially the NE quadrant, who > don't possess that knowledge, sadly. Now that's true. > >I'm not even going to touch > >upon VA law being overbearing and should be rescinded. > > You weren't sitting in a bar when you wrote this, were you? no, but I can not tell you that I was robbing a liquor store. > > I also plan on doing summit point as well next year. > > Good plan -- enjoy it! Hopefully as painlessly as possible lol > I'm not anti-speed. I've driven thousands of laps at Summit Point, Watkins > Glen, Charlotte, Nelson Ledges, etc. > When I'm commuting on the bike, I've got a few pet strips on the GW > Parkway and the Beltway where I often take a triple digit blast. (And in > the personal quirks department, I've hit triple digits on either two wheels > of four wheels *with the top down* on every New Year's Day since 1964 -- > it's a family tradition.) now that's funny. > But you've got to be very selective when you take those opportunities, of course.. > because, on the whole, US drivers are untrained and brain-dead. It's not > like driving the autoroutes in Europe, where you can cruise at triple > digits in absolute safety all day long except for construction and urban > zones -- drivers over there have lane discipline, which makes all the > difference in the world. In the US, we simply don't have the guts to > enforce a requirement for decent driving skills; this would somehow be > interpreted as impeding on personal freedom. > > -- Larry (looking forward to driving those triple-digit autoroutes and > autobahns from Dec 25th to January 15th...) maybe you can start a driver exchange program From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 13:32:57 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Anyone on the list commute to DC from Leesburg daily via the toll road? I'm considering moving out that way, but am wondering how the trip is. I'm in Herndon now, but unfamiliar with commuting from father west. Current commute is about 45 minutes - am hoping I can do Leesburg in about an hour? - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 14:26:11 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:26:01 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Anyone on the list commute to DC from Leesburg daily via the toll > road? The Greenway's quick (but expensive) The Toll road moves along pretty well (Time Of Day dependent) and isn't quite as expensive. Unless you're HOV enabled, you will have to bail at the Beltway or 123. Traffic northbound on 495 is always at a standstill. My commute is Sterling to Tyson's -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 14:44:37 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm on the bike, so HOV approved. Greenway rates are absurdly expensive. Between increased tolls and fuel, montly commute would go up $150. Crazy! Sadly, it still may be cheaper to live in Leesburg than Herndon, Reston, Sterling. - Jimmy --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Anyone on the list commute to DC from Leesburg daily via the toll > > road? > > The Greenway's quick (but expensive) > > The Toll road moves along pretty well (Time Of Day dependent) and > isn't quite as expensive. Unless you're HOV enabled, you will have > to > bail at the Beltway or 123. Traffic northbound on 495 is always at > a > standstill. > > My commute is Sterling to Tyson's > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 14:48:45 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:48:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd rethink 15 minutes unless you are traveling at night. Three years ago I was able to make it from Leesburg (house is a mile from the toll road) to Reston in 20 minutes, and that was moving at a good pace. Now... forget it. It takes me about 35-40 on a good day during rush hour to go from Leesburg to Old Ox. Between 8 and 9:30 and 5 and 6:30, the toll road comes to a grinding halt. Traffic is bumper to bumper and its stop and go. The Leesburg of old is no more, now its just as crowded and busy as everything else. Dan > Anyone on the list commute to DC from Leesburg daily via the toll > road? I'm considering moving out that way, but am wondering how the > trip is. I'm in Herndon now, but unfamiliar with commuting from > father west. Current commute is about 45 minutes - am hoping I can > do Leesburg in about an hour? > > - Jimmy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 16:00:38 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:00:12 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: Michael Jordan , "James O'Connor" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Michael Jordan >Date: Tue Dec 13 13:26:01 CST 2005 >To: James O'Connor >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >> Anyone on the list commute to DC from Leesburg daily via the toll >> road? > >The Greenway's quick (but expensive) > >The Toll road moves along pretty well (Time Of Day dependent) and >isn't quite as expensive. Unless you're HOV enabled, you will have to >bail at the Beltway or 123. Traffic northbound on 495 is always at a >standstill. > >My commute is Sterling to Tyson's > just a heads up that the Greenway fees are supposed to going up substantially. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 16:43:56 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:43:38 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmm, rock + hard place. We'll soon find out just how inflexible demand is in response to price. Would be interesting if they did congestion charging. But that would asking too much. Methinks, somebody is feeling real greedy. --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > just a heads up that the Greenway fees are supposed to going up > substantially. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 16:57:17 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:56:34 -0500 From: skip To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC they already do "peak time" pricing... if 7 wasn't a worse fuster cluck, I would have take it... maybe once they finish 28 it will be a viable alternative. matthew patton wrote: > > Hmm, rock + hard place. We'll soon find out just how inflexible demand > is in response to price. Would be interesting if they did congestion > charging. But that would asking too much. Methinks, somebody is feeling > real greedy. > > --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > just a heads up that the Greenway fees are supposed to going up > > substantially. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 17:10:54 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:10:45 -0500 From: "Dave Blumgart" To: This may not be helpful, but have you ever considered moving towards DC rather than further away? I ride in to Capitol Hill almost every day I've no customer meetings and there's no ice, just pulling on a sweater, leather jacket and unlined gloves, no electrically heated jock straps and whatnot. That's because I live 4.5 miles from the office and anything's doable for 20 minutes or so. PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while crime and schools are an issue, those problems are hardy exclusive to PGC, and we've negotiated them pretty well over the more than two decades we've lived there. Meanwhile, I saved the equivalent or more than *five months* of my life with my vastly shorter commutes during that time. Just a thought. David B. Current menagerie (and some occasionally run:) '74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 18:38:12 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: Dave Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I thought about it, but for a variety of reasons don't want to do it. I lived inside the beltway once, for a year. I didn't enjoy it - too many people that would choose a $4 cup of coffee from Starbucks vs. $0.79 from Sheetz, not to generalize. More importantly, both mine and the Mrs' family are in Haymarket and the closer we are to them, the greater the likelihood of babysitters! Commute from Arlington into DC sure was nice though. - Jimmy --- Dave Blumgart wrote: > This may not be helpful, but have you ever considered moving > towards DC > rather than further away? I ride in to Capitol Hill almost every > day > I've no customer meetings and there's no ice, just pulling on a > sweater, > leather jacket and unlined gloves, no electrically heated jock > straps > and whatnot. That's because I live 4.5 miles from the office and > anything's doable for 20 minutes or so. > > PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or > Mount > Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while > crime and schools are an issue, those problems are hardy exclusive > to > PGC, and we've negotiated them pretty well over the more than two > decades we've lived there. Meanwhile, I saved the equivalent or > more > than *five months* of my life with my vastly shorter commutes > during > that time. > > Just a thought. > > David B. > Current menagerie (and some occasionally run:) > '74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 19:28:18 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:28:04 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Dave Blumgart wrote: > >PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount >Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while >crime and schools are an issue, > > better own a BFG. and while not exclusive to PG, the crime and school issues are VERY scary... and actually the deta in numbers compared to other surrounding counties makes those issues exclusive to PG. enough for me to move out... PG has been corrupt for years and it won't get fixed soon... face it you live here, traffic will be bad. moving close maybe the "new" direction. while more expensive your commute ( and maybe your health physical and mental)) will be better. Maybe getting a job closer to home, might not pay as much but calculate your commuting expenses and maybe the diff in salery would be close. I begining to think that moving to another, smaller town is the way to go... i hear Ashville, NC calling me... :). Good luck, Tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Dec 13 23:40:32 2005 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:39:12 -0500 To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC At 06:37 PM 12/13/2005, James O'Connor wrote: >vs. $0.79 from Sheetz, not to generalize. More importantly, both >mine and the Mrs' family are in Haymarket and the closer we are to >them, the greater the likelihood of babysitters! Commute from >Arlington into DC sure was nice though. Have you considered a job that isn't in D.C.? I worked downtown the first year I was in this area, then decided not to do that anymore, and haven't. The commute from Leesburg to Haymarket is likely to be even better than the one from Arlington to DC...if you can't arrange to work from home and give up the commute entirely (I've been doing that since '99, but it won't work for all jobs of course). Even the federal government has jobs that are in the suburbs, nearby areas or other states. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 08:16:57 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:16:46 -0500 I think that happens everywhere around here, not just inside the beltway. >From: "James O'Connor" >To: Dave Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:37:51 -0800 (PST) > >I thought about it, but for a variety of reasons don't want to do it. > I lived inside the beltway once, for a year. I didn't enjoy it - >too many people that would choose a $4 cup of coffee from Starbucks >vs. $0.79 from Sheetz, not to generalize. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 08:38:30 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good suggestions all - thanks. Someday I hope to work somewhere other than DC, but for now my career track has me sticking with non-profits, most of which are in DC. I used to travel quite a bit with my old job, usually to small/tiny towns. Always interesting the contrast between our urban jungle and their small town living. Boy, it was a cold ride this morning - face shield had ice on it! - Jimmy --- "Mike B." wrote: > Have you considered a job that isn't in D.C.? I worked downtown > the first > year I was in this area, then decided not to do that anymore, and > haven't. The commute from Leesburg to Haymarket is likely to be > even > better than the one from Arlington to DC...if you can't arrange to > work > from home and give up the commute entirely (I've been doing that > since '99, > but it won't work for all jobs of course). Even the federal > government has > jobs that are in the suburbs, nearby areas or other states. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 09:19:47 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:19:37 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC > Between 8 and 9:30 and 5 and 6:30, the toll road comes to a grinding halt. So, leave home earlier, have a cup of coffee and hit your morning web sites at work. Another possibility is that the Exxon at the airport has great coffee in the morning. Grab a cup, head down the middle with your cruise control set listening to the news (if you're in cage mode), or grab a donut and stuff it in your tankbag for later (if you're in bike mode) And pick up some gas on your way home. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 10:15:34 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:27 -0500 From: "Dave Blumgart" To: Tom De Boeser wrote: >> better own a BFG. and while not exclusive to PG, the crime and school >> issues are VERY scary... Oh please, get a grip. I lived in inside-the-Beltway PGC for over 35 years without feeling the need for any firearm. If anyone wants to shoot me, they're going to have to bring their own gun. In fact, the only serious crime we've experienced has been due almost entirely to our own negligence. Meanwhile I know people in ritzy Potomac, Maryland who've had the pleasure of being bound and gagged during an armed home invasion. You got to live your life and take your chances in this world. There's crime anywhere you go. Even Asheville. Oh, and we've successfully sent two children to excellent colleges using the PGC school system, thank you very much. Returning to motorcycles - the list is about motorcycles [Thank you, Arlo] - we're all unhappy with the congestion and consequent lousy riding conditions in our area. While I'm not criticizing the very personal decision of where one chooses to live, as adults you learn to take ownership of the consequences of your actions. That includes the choice to move to the exurbs rather than rehabbing DC and post-war suburbs - due at least in some part because of the sort of fear-mongering expressed above. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 10:27:15 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:26:17 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: At 10:15 AM 12/14/2005, Dave Blumgart wrote: >Tom De Boeser wrote: > > >> better own a BFG. and while not exclusive to PG, the crime and >school > >> issues are VERY scary... > >Oh please, get a grip. > >I lived in inside-the-Beltway PGC for over 35 years without feeling the >need for any firearm. If anyone wants to shoot me, they're going to >have to bring their own gun. In fact, the only serious crime we've >experienced has been due almost entirely to our own negligence. >Meanwhile I know people in ritzy Potomac, Maryland who've had the >pleasure of being bound and gagged during an armed home invasion. You >got to live your life and take your chances in this world. There's >crime anywhere you go. Even Asheville. Oh, and we've successfully sent >two children to excellent colleges using the PGC school system, thank >you very much. > >Returning to motorcycles - the list is about motorcycles [Thank you, >Arlo] - we're all unhappy with the congestion and consequent lousy >riding conditions in our area. While I'm not criticizing the very >personal decision of where one chooses to live, as adults you learn to >take ownership of the consequences of your actions. That includes the >choice to move to the exurbs rather than rehabbing DC and post-war >suburbs - due at least in some part because of the sort of >fear-mongering expressed above. I have to agree. Maybe at one time the argument could be made that crime is much higher inside the beltway but Fairfax County has had it's own share of gang violence not to mention the carjackings and robberies in the mall parking lots. With Virginia selling off their taxpayer paid roads, I envision not only more congestion but the cost to drive anywhere outside of our own neighborhood will end up nickle and dime-ing us to death. If we end up having to pay tolls for just about every major thoroughfare in the area, we'd better see a significant reduction in how much we're paying the state to maintain our roads. yeah..fat chance of THAT ever happening. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 13:48:37 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:23 -0500 Having been born in DC, and raised in its shadow, you couldn't pay me to live there. The politics, crime, stupidity, etc. all boggle the mind. Not that MD or VA don't have their problems, but DC is a problem all unto itself. If it works for you, that's great. For me, it could be swallowed up by the earth and not really be missed... Perry >From: "Dave Blumgart" >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:10:45 -0500 > >This may not be helpful, but have you ever considered moving towards DC >rather than further away? I ride in to Capitol Hill almost every day >I've no customer meetings and there's no ice, just pulling on a sweater, >leather jacket and unlined gloves, no electrically heated jock straps >and whatnot. That's because I live 4.5 miles from the office and >anything's doable for 20 minutes or so. > >PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount >Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while >crime and schools are an issue, those problems are hardy exclusive to >PGC, and we've negotiated them pretty well over the more than two >decades we've lived there. Meanwhile, I saved the equivalent or more >than *five months* of my life with my vastly shorter commutes during >that time. > >Just a thought. > >David B. >Current menagerie (and some occasionally run:) >'74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 13:48:48 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:39 -0500 Having been born in DC, and raised in its shadow, you couldn't pay me to live there. The politics, crime, stupidity, etc. all boggle the mind. Not that MD or VA don't have their problems, but DC is a problem all unto itself. If it works for you, that's great. For me, it could be swallowed up by the earth and not really be missed... Perry >From: "Dave Blumgart" >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:10:45 -0500 > >This may not be helpful, but have you ever considered moving towards DC >rather than further away? I ride in to Capitol Hill almost every day >I've no customer meetings and there's no ice, just pulling on a sweater, >leather jacket and unlined gloves, no electrically heated jock straps >and whatnot. That's because I live 4.5 miles from the office and >anything's doable for 20 minutes or so. > >PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount >Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while >crime and schools are an issue, those problems are hardy exclusive to >PGC, and we've negotiated them pretty well over the more than two >decades we've lived there. Meanwhile, I saved the equivalent or more >than *five months* of my life with my vastly shorter commutes during >that time. > >Just a thought. > >David B. >Current menagerie (and some occasionally run:) >'74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 14:08:43 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:08:30 -0500 Sorry about the dual posting - some Hotmail error or my browser... >From: "Perry Coleman" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:39 -0500 > >Having been born in DC, and raised in its shadow, you couldn't pay me to >live there. The politics, crime, stupidity, etc. all boggle the mind. Not >that MD or VA don't have their problems, but DC is a problem all unto >itself. If it works for you, that's great. For me, it could be swallowed up >by the earth and not really be missed... > >Perry > >>From: "Dave Blumgart" >>To: >>Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >>Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:10:45 -0500 >> >>This may not be helpful, but have you ever considered moving towards DC >>rather than further away? I ride in to Capitol Hill almost every day >>I've no customer meetings and there's no ice, just pulling on a sweater, >>leather jacket and unlined gloves, no electrically heated jock straps >>and whatnot. That's because I live 4.5 miles from the office and >>anything's doable for 20 minutes or so. >> >>PG County inside-the-Beltway neighborhoods like Hyattsville or Mount >>Rainier are very affordable - well, relatively at least - and while >>crime and schools are an issue, those problems are hardy exclusive to >>PGC, and we've negotiated them pretty well over the more than two >>decades we've lived there. Meanwhile, I saved the equivalent or more >>than *five months* of my life with my vastly shorter commutes during >>that time. >> >>Just a thought. >> >>David B. >>Current menagerie (and some occasionally run:) >>'74 R75/6; '99 R1100S; '01 W650; '02 GS500E >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 15:59:44 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:59:24 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX maybe chicago is different, but I lived on the north side, 3 blocks due south of the 'murder capital' of (northern) Chicago. One of not too many white boys in environs heavily dominated by people of medium to dark brown tint. Most pale-faced people I talked to decried my neighborhood's reputation. Maybe some time in the past lawlessness abounded but not any more. Rumors, superstition, and outdated memories die hard, I guess. Or maybe there is a more sinister reason. (ok, so I found a loaded 9mm handgun stashed in the my basement storage unit one morning) Pity land/housing prices were still crazy high. What I though should have been $250K houses were selling for 700+. And not even 2 mi north in Evanston, lots of the rich, pigment-challenged folk lived in $million+ houses. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 16:39:04 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] More slick weather... For those that haven't heard... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM THURSDAY TO 7 AM EST FRIDAY. THE COMBINATION OF VERY COLD AIR TO THE NORTH AND LOW PRESSURE OVER THE GULF STATES WILL PROVIDE THE FUEL FOR WINTRY WEATHER ON THURSDAY. PRECIPITATION WILL LIKELY BEGIN AS A PERIOD OF LIGHT SNOW THURSDAY MORNING...AND THEN CHANGE TO SLEET. WARMER AIR WILL BE DRAWN INTO THE AREA A FEW THOUSAND FEET OFF THE GROUND... CAUSING PRECIPITATION TO CHANGE TO LIQUID. HOWEVER AT THE SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED TO STAY BELOW FREEZING THROUGH MID AFTERNOON...CAUSING RAIN TO FREEZE ON CONTACT ON ROADS...POWER LINES...AND TREES. THE FURTHER EAST YOU GO THE MORE LIKELY TEMPERATURES WILL RISE ABOVE FREEZING BY AFTERNOON...CHANGING PRECIPITATION TO PLAIN RAIN. ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF AROUND 1/10 OF AN INCH ARE POSSIBLE IN THE ADVISORY AREA. AS THE LOW PULLS NORTHEAST OF THE AREA FRIDAY...MORE COLD AIR WILL BE DRAWN INTO THE REGION...CHANGING A CHANGE TO SNOW BEFORE ENDING EARLY FRIDAY. A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING. Sounds like I'll be on the bus again :( - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 16:44:08 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Perry Coleman wrote: > Sorry about the dual posting - some Hotmail error or my browser... > >> From: "Perry Coleman" >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC >> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:39 -0500 >> >> Having been born in DC, and raised in its shadow, you couldn't pay me >> to live there. The politics, crime, stupidity, etc. all boggle the >> mind. Not that MD or VA don't have their problems, but DC is a >> problem all unto itself. If it works for you, that's great. For me, >> it could be swallowed up by the earth and not really be missed... >> >> Perry > Don't apologize, it deserved to be repeated. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 17:59:27 2005 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:59:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC At 04:43 PM 12/14/2005, Dale Horstman wrote: >Perry Coleman wrote: > >>Sorry about the dual posting - some Hotmail error or my browser... >> >>>For me, it could be swallowed up by the earth and not really be missed... > >Don't apologize, it deserved to be repeated. :) Think of it this way -- if DC didn't exist, you wouldn't have dc-cycles, either. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 18:06:44 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:06:33 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: ll CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC ll wrote: > > Think of it this way -- if DC didn't exist, you wouldn't have > dc-cycles, either. I always thought the "dc" in dc-cycles stood for Dale City. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 18:14:58 2005 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:14:47 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , ll From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:06 PM 12/14/2005, Dale Horstman wrote: >>Think of it this way -- if DC didn't exist, you wouldn't have dc-cycles, >>either. > >I always thought the "dc" in dc-cycles stood for Dale City. :) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth Not all of us are vain enough to name a town after ourselves... 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 14 20:06:37 2005 From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:06:29 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a2ab5c423c831361ab5eb74bd21e11fe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Hork indicated: I always thought the "dc" in dc-cycles stood for Dale City. :) [Dave] +1. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 15 08:33:55 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:32:49 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Moto Commuting - Leesburg to DC Dave Blumgart wrote: >Tom De Boeser wrote: > > > >>>better own a BFG. and while not exclusive to PG, the crime and >>> >>> >school > > >>>issues are VERY scary... >>> >>> > >Oh please, get a grip. > > > >I lived in inside-the-Beltway PGC for over 35 years without feeling the >need for any firearm. > I too lived in PG for about 25 years, and never owned a firearm. >If anyone wants to shoot me, they're going to >have to bring their own gun. In fact, the only serious crime we've >experienced has been due almost entirely to our own negligence. > > Yeah, I shouldn't have parked my car in front of my house those 3 times... >Meanwhile I know people in ritzy Potomac, Maryland who've had the >pleasure of being bound and gagged during an armed home invasion. > Um, the stories you don't hear about... ( don't remmeber) beatings in townhome parking lots, right in front of other peoples homes. I recall some kids deciding that it was time to drive around take pot shots at people, bump into a few cars ( with people in them ), and finish the night by beating, kidnapping and executing a couple - who were on the way back from dinner, guess they shouldn't have gone to dinner - thier fault. Oh yeah, I guess someone needed donuts and money - so kill three people and burn the place down... ugh enough we NEED lane splitting!!!! > You >got to live your life and take your chances in this world. There's >crime anywhere you go. > And exposing me, my wife, and my kids to less crime is better. > Even Asheville. Oh, and we've successfully sent >two children to excellent colleges using the PGC school system, thank >you very much. > > Good job! >Returning to motorcycles - the list is about motorcycles [Thank you, >Arlo] - we're all unhappy with the congestion and consequent lousy >riding conditions in our area. > I agree !! LANE SPLITTING!!!! >While I'm not criticizing the very >personal decision of where one chooses to live, as adults you learn to >take ownership of the consequences of your actions. > Which happens very little in PG. > That includes the >choice to move to the exurbs rather than rehabbing DC and post-war >suburbs - due at least in some part because of the sort of >fear-mongering expressed above. > > You stay and fix it, now that your kids are in college... maybe when my kids are gone I'll come back and help... na, you keep it. Fear mongering? Ha! numbers, man RAW numbers, no stats, just number accross the board. MC content --- LANE SPLITTING --- http://www.abateofva.com/ !!! Tom de From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 15 16:12:23 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:11:28 -0600 (CST) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls Just for those who were wondering if the Greenway tolls are going up and when. I have no idea what it costs now but I suspect it's much less than what it *will* be. -aki ************************************************************* Va. Tolls To Increase Soon Dulles Greenway Toll Will Get More Expensive Drivers in Virginia will soon have to pay a little more to use the Dulles Greenway toll. Toll fees are going up for the sixth time in 10 years. The new fees will begin Jan. 1. Most drivers will now pay $3.20 on weekdays, and $3 on the weekends. In addition, discounts during non-peak hours and for Smart Tag users will be eliminated. About 70,000 vehicles travel daily on the 14-mile road that connects Loudoun County to Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll Road. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 15 16:55:08 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:54:52 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! Thanks for the info. - Jimmy --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > Just for those who were wondering if the Greenway tolls are going > up and when. I have no idea what it costs now but I suspect it's > much less than what it *will* be. > -aki > > > ************************************************************* > > Va. Tolls To Increase Soon > Dulles Greenway Toll Will Get More Expensive > Drivers in Virginia will soon have to pay a little more to use the > Dulles Greenway toll. > > Toll fees are going up for the sixth time in 10 years. The new fees > will begin Jan. 1. > > Most drivers will now pay $3.20 on weekdays, and $3 on the > weekends. > > In addition, discounts during non-peak hours and for Smart Tag > users will be eliminated. > > About 70,000 vehicles travel daily on the 14-mile road that > connects Loudoun County to Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll Road. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 15 17:05:23 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:04:47 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_[dc-cycles]_=A0Follow-up_on_Greenway_Tolls?= To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: James O'Connor >Date: Thu Dec 15 15:54:52 CST 2005 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls >70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per >year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! > >Thanks for the info. > >- Jimmy > hell, I'll take over for HALF that price! ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 15 17:24:58 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:24:50 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 12/15/05, James O'Connor wrote: > 70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per > year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! > > Thanks for the info. > > - Jimmy > Whoa, not to pick on you James, but I wonder how you got your numbers! They appeared so far out of whack, I just *had* to take a look. Since I do this for a living (estimates) a little precision and plausible assumption-making is required. :) The story is vague, but it's likely not 70,000 round trips and the full fares are only charged about 250 days a year, subtracting out weekends and all those gubmint holidays. I've travelled the Greenway on the weekends and it's pretty deserted. Also, some people don't go all the way to/from Leesburg, so not everyone is paying $3.20 either. Also, that's 70,000 vehicles *today.* Demand elasticity will kick in when the price goes up, resulting in fewer vehicles. So, let's assume it's 66,500 vehicles (a 5% elasticity drop off) per 250 workdays at $3 ea. and a WAG of 20,000 vehicles per 115 weekend/holidays at $2.80 ea. Under this conservative scenario, I get revenues of $56 million a year. And then, there is the not so small matter of the Greenway's expenses, like servicing the bonds that built the beast, maintenance, and employee costs. In fact, the Greenway was teetering on the brink of insolvency a few years ago. I seriously doubt that after this increase they're going to be rolling in dough. -Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 15 17:29:14 2005 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:28:50 -0500 Your math is a little suspect. $448,000 x 250 work days per year = $112,000,000 The other 110 days won't produce nearly as much. FYI and still a lot of money. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls 70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! Thanks for the info. - Jimmy --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > Just for those who were wondering if the Greenway tolls are going > up and when. I have no idea what it costs now but I suspect it's > much less than what it *will* be. > -aki > > > ************************************************************* > > Va. Tolls To Increase Soon > Dulles Greenway Toll Will Get More Expensive > Drivers in Virginia will soon have to pay a little more to use the > Dulles Greenway toll. > > Toll fees are going up for the sixth time in 10 years. The new fees > will begin Jan. 1. > > Most drivers will now pay $3.20 on weekdays, and $3 on the > weekends. > > In addition, discounts during non-peak hours and for Smart Tag > users will be eliminated. > > About 70,000 vehicles travel daily on the 14-mile road that > connects Loudoun County to Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll Road. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 15 20:44:02 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:43:52 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] UK title? Anyone have any experience registering a vehicle with a UK title? any extra hassles to deal with? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 15 20:54:35 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:54:23 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls To: "LindaT." , Dc-Cycles I'm glad other listers have better finger to calculator ability than I apparently do. Obviously, my calculator was set to state funded mode, which slightly inflated actual revenues ;) Thanks for the corrections. - Jimmy --- "LindaT." wrote: > Your math is a little suspect. $448,000 x 250 work days per year = > $112,000,000 The other 110 days won't produce nearly as much. > > FYI and still a lot of money. > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > Hollywood, FL > IBA,BMWBMW,AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls > > > 70,000 x $6.40 round trip = $448,000 per day = ~$500,000,000 per > year. 500 million dollars a year. wow! > > Thanks for the info. > > - Jimmy > > --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Just for those who were wondering if the Greenway tolls are going > > up and when. I have no idea what it costs now but I suspect it's > > much less than what it *will* be. > > -aki > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > Va. Tolls To Increase Soon > > Dulles Greenway Toll Will Get More Expensive > > Drivers in Virginia will soon have to pay a little more to use > the > > Dulles Greenway toll. > > > > Toll fees are going up for the sixth time in 10 years. The new > fees > > will begin Jan. 1. > > > > Most drivers will now pay $3.20 on weekdays, and $3 on the > > weekends. > > > > In addition, discounts during non-peak hours and for Smart Tag > > users will be eliminated. > > > > About 70,000 vehicles travel daily on the 14-mile road that > > connects Loudoun County to Dulles Airport and the Dulles Toll > Road. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 16 04:25:05 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:24:58 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls Cc: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Also, some people don't go all the way to/from Leesburg, > so not everyone is paying $3.20 either. Unless they've changed their policies recently, the Greenway is one price - doesn't matter if you go the whole length of just the half mile to Old Ox road -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 16 08:10:23 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:10:10 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] lotsa ICE ! Lots of ice out there - bridges especially, of course. Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 16 09:08:56 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:08:46 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Greenway Annual Toll Revenue Random numbers, etc. The est. 70k vehicles per day is a total figure, not each way. For year 2004, operating expenses were $13.9m. Earning before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization [EBITDA]: $26.9m. [Annual Revenue In millions] 1996 - $6.2 1997 - $8.5 1998 - $10.7 1999 - $14.1 2000 - $19.8 2001 - $23.0 2002 - $26.2 2003 - $33.1 2004 - $40.8 All of this information, as well as some other neat facts were stolen, without permission, from: http://www.macquarie.com.au/au/mig/acrobat/dulles_greenway_investment_pres.pdf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 16 09:13:26 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:13:17 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] What to avoid for next track season! http://media.kladblog.com/media/200512/bikers.wmv From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 16 09:27:31 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:27:24 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Michael Jordan , DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Follow-up on Greenway Tolls Not true. I've entered at Claiborne (?) Pkwy. and gone to Rt. 28 and the EZ-Pass bill was $1.90. http://www.dullesgreenway.com/cgi-bin/dgtolls2.cfm?home=dg On 12/16/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Also, some people don't go all the way to/from Leesburg, > > so not everyone is paying $3.20 either. > > Unless they've changed their policies recently, the Greenway is one > price - doesn't matter if you go the whole length of just the half > mile to Old Ox road > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 16 09:59:35 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:59:14 -0500 From: skip CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Greenway Annual Toll Revenue Thomas Jordan wrote: > All of this information, as well as some other neat facts were stolen, > without permission, from: > http://www.macquarie.com.au/au/mig/acrobat/dulles_greenway_investment_pres.pdf Maximum Tolls scheduled to 2007 - Current toll $2.40 (for cars at the main toll plaza during peak periods) - $2.70 from January 2006 - $3.00 from July 2007 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 16 18:11:24 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Greenway Annual Toll Revenue To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX from that Aussie PDF > Average household income (2004) $104,575 $84,857 the AVERAGE of the USA income is $85K? Is that for real? And I thought I was overpaid! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Dec 18 01:25:25 2005 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:25:05 -0500 From: Radio Waves To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Greenway Annual Toll Revenue Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 12/16/05, matthew patton wrote: > from that Aussie PDF > > > Average household income (2004) $104,575 $84,857 > > the AVERAGE of the USA income is $85K? Is that for real? And I thought > I was overpaid! Yeah, well.... Without looking up the current numbers, I believe the median household income in the US is more like $45k/yr. As for why the average is so much greater, here's a thought experiment (ob moto): Suppose Aprilia sells ten 50cc scooters making 7HP for every one RSV 1000R Factory, making 140HP. The median HP for Aprilia vehicles would be 7HP, but the average would be 19HP! It's like that. The median family in american is cranking down 45 grand or whatever, and the top one percent are pulling somewhat shy of a million bucks a year. Sucks to be poor! Better, like, work hard or something, so you, too, can make millions and afford to drive on the greenway! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 21 16:05:51 2005 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:05:38 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone out there? It's been vewwy, vewwy quiet... -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Dec 21 16:50:22 2005 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone out there? To: Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles I am here. By the time my fingers thaw in the morning, I'm engrossed in work (yeah right) and forget to strike up conversation. Gerbing electric glove liners should be here any day now.....thankfully. Don't recall last winter being so brutal on my hands, and that was before I put the huge hand guards on the bike :\ - Jimmy --- Michael Jordan wrote: > It's been vewwy, vewwy quiet... > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 22 08:43:55 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Anyone out there? Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:43:33 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "James O'Connor" , "Michael Jordan" , "DC-Cycles" It has been very, very cold. I find the difference between warm tires and cold tires markedly more noticeable on my new ride. I am on an 05 R1 with Pilot Powers. The gravel and occasional ice patches keep things very sedate and I am in commuter mode. Of course the hands are still my weak point. I have found a fairly good combination for the time being: Polar Tech runners gloves stuck into my Held Galaxy gloves. This allows me to tolerably find my way from Bethesda back to VA at two in the morning. The deer have been hiding out of sight lately which is a blessing for me. If there is enough interest, we should arrange a lunch on a Bike show day. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: Michael Jordan; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone out there? I am here. By the time my fingers thaw in the morning, I'm engrossed in work (yeah right) and forget to strike up conversation. Gerbing electric glove liners should be here any day now.....thankfully. Don't recall last winter being so brutal on my hands, and that was before I put the huge hand guards on the bike :\ - Jimmy --- Michael Jordan wrote: > It's been vewwy, vewwy quiet... > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 22 08:57:35 2005 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:54:10 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone out there? I have been on extensive travel, and haven't even seen my bikes in two weeks. I drove my truck in to work today, and the back roads I take are covered with ice on 3 curves. Fat lot of good my heated gear is doing me at this moment in time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 22 09:39:52 2005 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:39:31 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=3FAnyone_out_there=3F?= To: DC-Cycles >From: Julian Halton >Date: Thu Dec 22 07:43:33 CST 2005 >To: James O'Connor , Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Anyone out there? >It has been very, very cold. I find the difference between warm tires >and cold tires markedly more noticeable on my new ride. I am on an 05 >R1 with Pilot Powers. The gravel and occasional ice patches keep things >very sedate and I am in commuter mode. Of course the hands are still my >weak point. >I have found a fairly good combination for the time being: Polar Tech >runners gloves stuck into my Held Galaxy gloves. This allows me to >tolerably find my way from Bethesda back to VA at two in the morning. >The deer have been hiding out of sight lately which is a blessing for >me. > >If there is enough interest, we should arrange a lunch on a Bike show >day. > ..ok, I admit it. I'm a super turbo power wussy when it comes to cold weather. Ain't NO WAY I'll ride in this kind of weather. I used to ride all year around but that was when I was in the military and my (ex) wife needed the car to go to work and the only thing we could afford was a Kawasaki 454LTD. Froze my bleeps off and vowed if I ever got to a better financial situation, I would use my bike for purely recreational riding. I can't count how many times during those days that I rocketed to pucker factor 10,000 going around a corner and feeling my front end slide on black ice. I do admit thought that I would always arrive to work WIDE AWAKE after a 45 minute 25mph butt clenching, teeth chattering ride to work. So...now I go out, start the car, turn on the stereo and turn the seat warmer half way up and sip on my java. When the leaves turn green, I'll take my bike off the lift, unplug the Battery Tender and go for a ride...a recreational ride thankyouverymuch. :-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 22 10:13:18 2005 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:13:01 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] ?Anyone out there? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is great riding time. Every time I'm stuck in traffic I fantasize about blasting by all the cars. Both of my bikes are down at the moment - the WR for a bum headlight, and the SV for a rear tire getting close to the cords and brakepads about paper thin (oops). Plus I'm hauling my little boy around and doing some Christmas shopping which frequently entails boxes a little big bigger than I can handle on the SV. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Dec 22 23:37:14 2005 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:36:48 -0500 From: skip To: adamme@XXXXXX CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ?Anyone out there? adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > ..ok, I admit it. I'm a super turbo power wussy when it comes to cold weather. Ain't NO WAY I'll ride in this kind of weather. ain't nothing wrong with that. it's a tool, it's a toy, it -is- what it is -to you- I've got nothing to prove to the other jokers on the road; the challenge of surviving the cold and potential loss of traction holds no sway over me. I ride because I enjoy it, and only ride when I -will- enjoy it. blue skies, gentle breezes! --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 23 11:17:38 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:17:17 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ?Anyone out there? To: skip , DC-Cycles --- skip wrote: > blue skies, gentle breezes! Tonight after work I leave for my daughters house in Monmouth County, NJ. Because of the longer than normal ride, I figured it would be prudent to find my electric clothes. This morning on the way in to work, I had to keep the face shield up to prevent overheating. It's a nice day out there, and with electric clothes, it's a warm day. I like this nice weather. Leon. '03 V-Strom on most days this winter. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 23 16:49:22 2005 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:48:58 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Cold Weather Riding One of the reasons I got my Honda Pacific Coast 7 years ago was b/c I wanted to ride 12 months of the year to my office. Free parking, protected HOV access on I-95 and a straight shot up I395 from Springfield were all great on my 1985 Nighthawk CBC-650, but it was cold the first winter... even with a windshield. Plus the bike didn't handle so well with the big w/s one I used in winter. I rode b/c I liked it, and b/c of the time involved. To go the 16 miles on the bike during rush hour was 20 to 40 minutes max. Metro takes 60 minutes minumum. I owned the bike.... I could gas it up and ride it, or I could winterize it, let it sit and pay Metro. I already loved winter. I ski and I grew up in Syracuse NY, I know how to dress for cold... it's called layers. Call me nuts, but I went out and bought the warmest winter riding suit I could find. For less than $250.00 the Fieldsheer one piece suit seemed to fill the bill. Add the warmest leather ski MITTENS I could find and a warm pair of socks. On the coldest days.... 20 degrees and below I wear my normal work dress pants, shirt, sweater and fleese pants over my pants. I DON'T NOT GET COLD on the PC. I don't use heated grips, vests or any of that crap. I always wondered what would happen to me if they failed? I'd freeze! I have direct access to the Fairfax Co Parkway entrence to 95. 100 yards on a side road is all I have to do. I DO NOT do ice. If you want to ride during the winter you can, but don't expect to do it on a poorly faired bike or without the proper clothing! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Dec 23 17:19:22 2005 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:19:12 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Weather Riding On 12/23/05, Doug Allis wrote: > One of the reasons I got my Honda Pacific Coast 7 years ago was b/c I wanted > to ride 12 months of the year to my office. Free parking, protected HOV > access on I-95 and a straight shot up I395 from Springfield ... > > If you want to ride during the winter you can, but don't expect to do it on > a poorly faired bike or without the proper clothing! > This is my 6th winter of riding non-stop, (pace Carl Custer) with only the occasional hiatus due to ice and snow. I've done it on naked bikes (CB750), mini-faired (VF500F) and now on the KLR650 (OK wind protection on the chest, but that's about it) and VFR750 (better wind protection, but it ain't no PC or a land barge like a 'Wing either). I've not had to resort to extreme clothing measures, and usually don't bother with electrics just for the ride to work. On longer rides the electrics get the call. My commute is short (~9 miles and 25-30 minutes) and I guess you just get used to it. It does get a little unpleasant below 10 degrees F. ;-) One advantage: you don't need to futz around "winterizing" your bikes if you just keep on riding them! I usually ride the KLR four days a week and the VFR once a week, just to keep the oil moving and the battery in good shape. Besides I'm too lazy to push it to the other side of the street for alternate-side street cleaning. That lasts until the first week in January in the District. I'll take the VFR out on the weekends throughout the winter, if it's nice, i.e., no salt slop on the roads. Happy Holidays everybody. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 24 07:39:24 2005 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:39:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Weather Riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Doug Allis wrote: > One of the reasons I got my Honda Pacific Coast 7 > years ago was b/c I wanted > to ride 12 months of the year to my office. Free > parking, protected HOV > access on I-95 Part of the reason I got an ST1300... > > If you want to ride during the winter you can, but > don't expect to do it on > a poorly faired bike or without the proper clothing! I tend to agree, there aint nothing better than plastic to protect you from the cold. BUT... I have seen some _real_ men lately. That is 25 deg mornings and chaps on HoV on crusers with faily small windshield... well, ok thats not too bad, but the guy on the Suk SV1000 ( no "S" !!! ) kills me. There is no fairing! Just stock bike, and what looks to be a bigass ski jacket. _real_ man, or maybe stupid, but I've seen him do it many times... Ouch... Stay warm, Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 24 10:16:04 2005 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:15:46 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Weather Riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX my sv650 parks beside 3-4 ST11/1300's in Crystal City. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 31 17:58:54 2005 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:58:25 -0500 To: DC Cycles List From: Matthew Harrell X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) X-Primary-Address: mharrell@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Paint work Can anyone recommend a good, reasonably-priced place in the Northern Virginia area that can repaint a tank and a couple of minor pieces? -- Matthew Harrell Hackers are just a migratory Bit Twiddlers, Inc. lifeform with a tropism for mharrell@XXXXXX computers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Dec 31 20:39:36 2005 From: "Allen Fahey" To: "'Matthew Harrell'" , "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Paint work Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:38:59 -0500 Matthew, I'm an experienced painter and I do side work. If you're interested give me a call 443-324-9283. I'll be up late tonight :) -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Harrell [mailto:lists-sender-4e80d3@XXXXXX] To: DC Cycles List Subject: [dc-cycles] Paint work Can anyone recommend a good, reasonably-priced place in the Northern Virginia area that can repaint a tank and a couple of minor pieces? -- Matthew Harrell Hackers are just a migratory Bit Twiddlers, Inc. lifeform with a tropism for mharrell@XXXXXX computers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 01:07:46 2006 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:07:38 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Happy New Year Happy New Year to all. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 09:43:17 2006 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 06:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 3:57 AM Bethesda..coming off a long -ass, open-bar non-tipping shift as a bartender. Walk the block to my beloved blue and white 05 R1. Get on the bike, the engine purrs. Arlington Boulevard to Little Falls to Massachusetts to Dalecarlia Parkway. Loughboro to Arizona to Canal Road. Why is my steering funny? I can't turn worth a @#%$! I have not been drinking at all. Key Bridge to 110. Flat effing tire. I am starting my first ride of 06 with a flat!!!!! I did not feel like waiting by the side of the road, trying to make it to work where I garage the bike - so I gimped along at under 20 miles an hour for the two remaining miles to home. I was really looking forward to two days of riding. I don't suppose anyone knows where I could get a new tire between now and the 3rd? Cheers. __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 10:45:46 2006 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:45:11 -0500 If you didn't destroy the tire, then a tire repair kit might keep you moving for a while. Some folks won't ride on a plugged tire, while others will. FWIW I have ridden many miles on a plugged tire with no ill effects. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:jkcolt@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 3:57 AM Bethesda..coming off a long -ass, open-bar non-tipping shift as a bartender. Walk the block to my beloved blue and white 05 R1. Get on the bike, the engine purrs. Arlington Boulevard to Little Falls to Massachusetts to Dalecarlia Parkway. Loughboro to Arizona to Canal Road. Why is my steering funny? I can't turn worth a @#%$! I have not been drinking at all. Key Bridge to 110. Flat effing tire. I am starting my first ride of 06 with a flat!!!!! I did not feel like waiting by the side of the road, trying to make it to work where I garage the bike - so I gimped along at under 20 miles an hour for the two remaining miles to home. I was really looking forward to two days of riding. I don't suppose anyone knows where I could get a new tire between now and the 3rd? Cheers. __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 10:55:42 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:58:24 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "Dc-Cycles" Hangover and tire-plugging thread, what a combo! Too bad about the tire Julian, hope the rest of the year is better. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 If you didn't destroy the tire, then a tire repair kit might keep you moving for a while. Some folks won't ride on a plugged tire, while others will. FWIW I have ridden many miles on a plugged tire with no ill effects. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 11:19:02 2006 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:18:27 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 To: "Dc-Cycles" Have to agree with Linda. If it's not a sidewall issue, plug it and you should be fine until you can get a replacement tire. Otherwise, I don't *think* the local bike shops will be closed tomorrow (Monday). You might want to call around first thing in the morning and see who's open. Or, if you have some numbers to some local shops in your area, call them now and see if their voicemail mentions being open tomorrow. -aki At 10:45 AM 1/1/2006, LindaT. wrote: >If you didn't destroy the tire, then a tire repair kit might keep you moving >for a while. Some folks won't ride on a plugged tire, while others will. > >FWIW I have ridden many miles on a plugged tire with no ill effects. > >LindaT. >www.CustomTankBags.com >Hollywood, FL >IBA,BMWBMW,AMA >'99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy >'95 F3 Purple Haze >'00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jay [mailto:jkcolt@XXXXXX] >Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:43 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 > > > >3:57 AM Bethesda..coming off a long -ass, open-bar >non-tipping shift as >a bartender. Walk the block to my beloved blue and >white 05 R1. Get on >the bike, the engine purrs. Arlington Boulevard to >Little Falls to >Massachusetts to Dalecarlia Parkway. Loughboro to >Arizona to Canal Road. > Why is my steering funny? I can't turn worth a @#%$! >I have not been drinking at all. Key Bridge to 110. >Flat effing tire. I >am starting my first ride of 06 with a flat!!!!! I did >not feel like waiting by the side of the road, >trying to make it to work where I garage the bike - so >I gimped along at under 20 miles an hour for the two >remaining miles to home. >I was really looking forward to two days of riding. I >don't suppose anyone knows where I could get a new >tire between now and the 3rd? > >Cheers. > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. >http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 12:50:18 2006 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:50:02 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm going to cheat and write about my last ride of '05. It's about 6pm and after spending an hour trying to figure what the heck is wrong with my dual-sport kit such that the right blinker works but the left one doesn't. worse, the left turn signal switch causes the head and taillights to blink. I think it's a bad circuit board. It's practically new, too. Anyhow I'm blatting down Braddock road on the WR and I get to Springfield Mall and a FFx copper lights me up. "where is your tag?" huh? waddya know, it either fatigued off or somebody broke it off for me. It was there a few days ago! "that'll be a ticket" damn. "your license please" Now I'm stuck. I had changed pants because of th weather before leaving the house and I am wallet less. "I don't think you have a license" he says. But all he writes me is a "failure to have license on person" ticket. I don't have a cage adn it's such a nice day out. Do a risk a ride? (this time with my IL registration and licence in my pocket?) __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 13:43:49 2006 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:43:37 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Happened to me once. The tag vibrated right off the VFR when it was about two weeks old. I first noticed it at work, so I rang up the Alex. PD's non-emergency number. (I don't think it had any help separating from the bike, but you never know.) An officer showed up and took my "lost tag" report about an hour later. With an incident # in hand, I went to DC DMV and another hour and $10 later, I had a new moto tag. FWIW, a lot of jurisdictions (DC included) require you to have proof of insurance on your person as well. You can get written up for that too. -=P On 1/1/06, matthew patton wrote: > > "where is your tag?" > huh? waddya know, it either fatigued off or somebody broke it off for > me. It was there a few days ago! > "that'll be a ticket" > damn. > "your license please" > Now I'm stuck. I had changed pants because of th weather before leaving > the house and I am wallet less. > "I don't think you have a license" he says. > But all he writes me is a "failure to have license on person" ticket. .... -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 14:22:05 2006 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:21:37 -0500 From: skip To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 X-Antivirus: Scanned by Vexira Antivirus 1.1.6 Paul Wilson wrote: > > Happened to me once. The tag vibrated right off the VFR when it was > about two weeks old. I first noticed it at work, so I rang up the > Alex. PD's non-emergency number. (I don't think it had any help > separating from the bike, but you never know.) An officer showed up > and took my "lost tag" report about an hour later. With an incident # > in hand, I went to DC DMV and another hour and $10 later, I had a new > moto tag. > > FWIW, a lot of jurisdictions (DC included) require you to have proof > of insurance on your person as well. You can get written up for that > too. > > -=P one of DC's jack-booted thugs informed that not having proof of registration was justification fr him to impound the vehicle. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 17:47:05 2006 From: "smthng else" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 > Anyhow I'm blatting down Braddock road on the WR and I get to > Springfield Mall and a FFx copper lights me up. So that was YOU in the B&N parking lot last night?!? Hehe. I pulled in a few spots down from where you stopped (big blue Chevy Avalanche). He sure did look like he was giving you a fairly hard time. I was gonna stop and chat, but he took longer with you than I did with the cashier. I figured an extra voice in the mix wouldn't have helped you out any, so I took off. While waiting for the light, I saw the LEO turn off his lights and drive down the parking lot. At least you weren't in the back. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ "A wrong-doer is often a man that has left smthng undone, not always he that has done smthng." -Marcus Aurelius Antoninus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 1 17:54:46 2006 From: "smthng else" To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:54:36 -0500 > Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] First Ride of 06 > Too bad about the tire Julian, hope the rest of the year is better. I don't think that was Julian... He should still be up in Canada. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes 2005 Yamaha FJR1300 - "Blue Bayou" Springfield, VA http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked smthng. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 10:22:59 2006 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:22:42 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? One of my friends is interested in the new Yamaha Star Roadliner. Does anyone have a recommendation for a local dealer? (He lives in McLean and works in downtown DC if that makes any difference.) Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 11:25:02 2006 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:24:50 -0500 Champion in Herndon (might be Sterling now). >From: Aaron Maurer >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? >Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:22:42 -0500 > >One of my friends is interested in the new Yamaha Star Roadliner. >Does anyone have a recommendation for a local dealer? > >(He lives in McLean and works in downtown DC if that makes any difference.) > >Thanks, > >Aaron > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 12:33:14 2006 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:32:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Dakar on OLN Hopefully better coverage this year, albeit shorter. http://www.olntv.com/nw/article/view/673/?UserDef=true&catID=76 Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 13:42:53 2006 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:42:46 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: rich hall Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Champion in Herndon (might be Sterling now). Not Sterling (yet) Definitely not Herndon, either. They're about 1/4 mile into Loudoun County off 606. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 13:47:35 2006 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:47:25 -0500 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] My first, my turn. Hey all, Guess it's my turn. Yesterday was a nice enough day, so I decided to take a few hours to wear out some rubber. I was under time constraints (SWMBO), so I just decided to haul ass out to Front Royal and then work my way back to Springfield using anything other than a 4-lane (or more) road. The trip out to FR was an uneventful scoot down I-66, other than five college twits in a ratty old Celica who repeatedly thought they could A) keep up with me, B) ignore the little striped line in the middle of the road. The one thing I like about 66 is that there are enough open and visible spots to really wick it up without fear of flashy blues in the mirror. Needless to say, the Celica didn't last long. With 5 people in it, a Celica won't last long against anything. Anyway, I skipped Skyline and headed instead down 522 South. Nothing exciting there, but the GPS told me that Hume Rd (Hwy 635) looked somewhat interesting, so I took that route. Hume is an unpainted country road with lots of little hills and sweepers. Don't expect to see more than 100 yards ahead at any given time. A fun little road that I could see being excellent for a group ride... fun, interesting, but not too technically challenging. Lots of cattle ranches out there, including a few longhorns. Eventually I stopped at the Marriott Ranch for the requisite picture - http://www.smthng.com/images/MarriottRanch.jpg (phone camera sux). The Marriott Ranch is run by the Marriott family and is an actual ranch with lots of interesting bed & breakfast and out-in-the-country type activities if you're into that kind of thing. I may take the wife one of these days. Anyway, I continued on down Hume road into the village of Hume (don't blink). Took a left on Hwy 688 (Leeds Manor Rd?), as there were a couple of redneck trucks chatting in the middle of Hume Rd and that looked like it was going to become dirt anyway. At some point, I got real close to I-66 again and decided that just wasn't for me this time. Instead, I somehow ended up on some little tiny dirt and gravel trail going through the woods. This seems to happen to me quite a bit, so I'm kind of accustomed to it. I don't know how I got there and I don't know exactly where it was (looking at a map now, it *might* have been Sage Rd, but I can't be sure). Anyway, 4 miles of riding on wet clay and gravel and being attacked by a big-assed hawk brought me back to John Marshall Hwy and The Plains. From there, it was just the usual suburban hell that we all know and despise. A good ride, plenty of dirt, time away from everyone and everything. A great way to start the new year! Hope yours starts out just as well. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes 2005 Yamaha FJR1300A Springfield, VA http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ If smthng can go wrong, it will. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 13:54:16 2006 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:54:04 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My first, my turn. > Eventually I stopped at the Marriott Ranch for the requisite picture - > ... (phone camera sux). This is what I call the "Talking Dog Syndrome" - the amazing thing about talking dogs is that they speak at all. One shouldn't be upset because they mumble a bit. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 13:55:20 2006 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:55:10 -0500 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? On 1/2/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Champion in Herndon (might be Sterling now). > > Not Sterling (yet) > > Definitely not Herndon, either. They're about 1/4 mile into Loudoun > County off 606. Thou hast had too much champagne or smthng... Champion Motorsports 703-471-6990 23035 Douglas Ct. #101 Sterling, VA 20166 http://www.championmotorsports.biz Personally, I've been pissed off (or pissed on) by just about every Yamaha dealer in the area and am considering riding to North Carolina for my next valve adjustment. :( --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes 2005 Yamaha FJR1300A Springfield, VA http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 14:11:51 2006 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:11:43 -0500 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My first, my turn. On 1/2/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > This is what I call the "Talking Dog Syndrome" Woof! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 2 21:02:39 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:02:09 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Congestion Charging oozes ahead Just saw a squib on the BBC tonight about Athens, Greece contemplating congestion charging, mimicking London. New York's Bloomberg is said to have it on his table, too. There are apparently other global locales using it - so, with perhaps the speed of legalized lanesplitting, this idea may find its U.S. foothold (spurred on by those recent Virginia traffic meetings?). This site with London details popped up on a cursory search: http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/congestion/ Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Sudafed says it cures congestion. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 3 10:32:48 2006 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:30:56 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] The lessons of tire replacement programs So I had a rear tire blow out 1 Jan. My bike has been sitting in visitors parking of my apartment for a few days. I purchased the Powerguard Tire\Wheel replacement reimbursement program with the bike. - I call Coleman's and am told no drivers to get bike to shop - I read the policy and call National Adjustment Bureau (NAB) to file claim per instructions - NAB tells me we have no record of your policy and to call PowerGuard - I call PowerGuard and they tell me to fax my policy over - waiting on call back while bike sits in lot Not impressed right now. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 3 11:05:49 2006 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:05:29 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The lessons of tire replacement programs Julian Halton wrote: > Coleman's > > > That's probably the problem... hopfully it'll turn out well for you. Good luck, tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 3 11:54:40 2006 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:54:27 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The lessons of tire replacement programs when you say blow out.. you mean flat.. not an actual pop blow out right? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 3 12:10:14 2006 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:09:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I like Champion as a place to shop for new bikes. They have some very good prices after a bit of negotiation. Their service after the sale generally lacks. They take forever to get you your permanent tags. Any accessories ordered may or may not ever show up. I did have a positive experience with their service department on a warranty claim. >> Champion in Herndon (might be Sterling now). > > Not Sterling (yet) > > Definitely not Herndon, either. They're about 1/4 mile into Loudoun > County off 606. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 3 14:14:42 2006 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:14:28 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Check this out: http://www.nabble.com/Motorcycle-f7.html seems like some beta "forum-merger" that gathers posts from various forums and posts them in one place. http://www.nabble.com/Motorcycle-f7.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 3 23:34:30 2006 From: Patrick Carter To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:33:37 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Kawasaki EX500 ninja parts for sale http://www.ex500riders.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3895 Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 5 13:24:13 2006 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:23:57 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] international vehicle shipping? Want to ship a couple of cars and 1 bike to africa. I'm thinking a 40 foot container and a sub container (crate) for the bike? Anyone ever done any international vehicle export? could give me any references? companies to use? I figure it would be wiser to consult the worldy listers first, than just start calling all the yellow pages listings. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 5 13:32:31 2006 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:32:21 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] international vehicle shipping? Cc: DCcycles Make sure to deposit the cashier's check first. Oh, and good luck in Nigeria! On 1/5/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Want to ship a couple of cars and 1 bike to africa. > > I'm thinking a 40 foot container and a sub container (crate) for the bike? > > Anyone ever done any international vehicle export? > > could give me any references? companies to use? I figure it would be > wiser to consult the worldy listers first, than just start calling > all the yellow pages listings. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 5 21:10:59 2006 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:10:47 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] international vehicle shipping? Cc: DCcycles ROTFL I meant to put in that post that "no this is not the infamous cheque scam" LOL.. I have family over there, and has nothing to do with any stranger sending any kind of payment. :) The funny thing is, you would actually let me fall for the scam? ROTFL On 1/5/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Make sure to deposit the cashier's check first. Oh, and good luck in Nigeria! > > On 1/5/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > Want to ship a couple of cars and 1 bike to africa. > > > > I'm thinking a 40 foot container and a sub container (crate) for the bike? > > > > Anyone ever done any international vehicle export? > > > > could give me any references? companies to use? I figure it would be > > wiser to consult the worldy listers first, than just start calling > > all the yellow pages listings. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 5 21:11:19 2006 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:11:17 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] international vehicle shipping? Cc: DCcycles Oh and it's not going to Nigeria either. On 1/5/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > ROTFL I meant to put in that post that "no this is not the infamous > cheque scam" LOL.. I have family over there, and has nothing to do > with any stranger sending any kind of payment. :) > > The funny thing is, you would actually let me fall for the scam? ROTFL > > On 1/5/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > Make sure to deposit the cashier's check first. Oh, and good luck in Nigeria! > > > > On 1/5/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > Want to ship a couple of cars and 1 bike to africa. > > > > > > I'm thinking a 40 foot container and a sub container (crate) for the bike? > > > > > > Anyone ever done any international vehicle export? > > > > > > could give me any references? companies to use? I figure it would be > > > wiser to consult the worldy listers first, than just start calling > > > all the yellow pages listings. > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 6 10:37:12 2006 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:36:59 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] international vehicle shipping? Cc: DCcycles I should have just replied THANKS! lol From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 7 09:45:44 2006 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:45:20 -0800 (PST) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've always been really happy with Cycle Sport on Route 1 in Alexandria. Never bought a bike there but had a bunch of parts orders, service, etc. http://www.thecyclesport.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 7 11:03:03 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:02:44 EST Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO I bought my R6 through them and have had all my maintenance work done there. I second the recommendation. Scooter In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:45:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: I've always been really happy with Cycle Sport on Route 1 in Alexandria. Never bought a bike there but had a bunch of parts orders, service, etc. _http://www.thecyclesport.com/_ (http://www.thecyclesport.com/) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 7 12:17:31 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:15:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? Thirded. I've had them do tires and all sorts of maintenance. The manager, Gerald, was preiously the manager at Clinton Cycles and another place previously -- he has a good reputation. -- Larry At 11:02 AM 1/7/2006, you wrote: >I bought my R6 through them and have had all my maintenance work done there. > I second the recommendation. > >Scooter > >In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:45:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, >dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: >I've always been really happy with Cycle Sport on Route 1 in Alexandria. >Never bought a bike there but had a bunch of parts orders, service, etc. > >_http://www.thecyclesport.com/_ (http://www.thecyclesport.com/) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 7 17:19:45 2006 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:19:22 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha dealer? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX AND since Cycle Sport is a Suzi dealer (and I own 1 each suzi and yam) they will likely continue to get my business. Especially after they came very close to price matching me on parts compared to internet (Ron Ayers, Oneida Suz) prices. I told them how much the other guys were charging and they came close enough for me. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 7 19:26:59 2006 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:26:43 -0500 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX (Steven C. Di Pietro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] DC's Cycle World Int'l MC Show Hi all, I got tapped to work at the Roadgear booth on Sunday 1-15-06 from Noon to 5:00pm. I'll be comming from Pasadena, Md. What's Motorcycle Parking like, down there at the Convention Center? Any options on Public Transportation on Sundays? I can offer a guest list spot for serious help in getting me there and back. -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. and the Greater Baltimore region. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL  "Mini-Cade" Coldest Observed Riding Temp. Winter '05:  17 F. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 7 20:46:58 2006 X-Sasl-enc: G7WngDbKCRHaonlP+h5LfcqrehDfwPOsgG1D8E778LIX 1136684808 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:47:36 -0500 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC's Cycle World Int'l MC Show Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > > Hi all, > I got tapped to work at the Roadgear booth on Sunday 1-15-06 from Noon to 5:00pm. I'll be comming from Pasadena, Md. What's Motorcycle Parking like, down there at the Convention Center? Any options on Public Transportation on Sundays? I can offer a guest list spot for serious help in getting me there and back. I've been there the past few years (and will be again this year) at the Ride for Kids booth (part of the Cycle World booth). There is no specific motorcycle parking that I have ever seen. Just the usual metered/street/lot parking. And the problem on Sundays is you are competing with churches for street space. Metro goes right to the convention center, Mt Vernon Sq 7th St-Convention Center, so if it's easy for you to get on the Metro, that could be your best bet. I usually arrive about 30-45 minutes early and hunt for parking. I'll be there about 10-1 on Sunday. Louis -- "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 8 12:05:07 2006 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:04:54 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC's Cycle World Int'l MC Show Cc: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Don't forget that there is now a huge (and amazingly nicely landscaped) parking lot where the old convention center used to be. I don't know if they charge for parking on Sundays, but I would seriously doubt it (given that the city shuts down on "church day"). If the weather's nice, definitely ride in. On 1/7/06, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I got tapped to work at the Roadgear booth on Sunday 1-15-06 from Noon to 5:00pm. I'll be comming from Pasadena, Md. What's Motorcycle Parking like, down there at the Convention Center? Any options on Public Transportation on Sundays? I can offer a guest list spot for serious help in getting me there and back. > > I've been there the past few years (and will be again this year) at the > Ride for Kids booth (part of the Cycle World booth). There is no > specific motorcycle parking that I have ever seen. Just the usual > metered/street/lot parking. And the problem on Sundays is you are > competing with churches for street space. > > Metro goes right to the convention center, Mt Vernon Sq 7th > St-Convention Center, so if it's easy for you to get on the Metro, that > could be your best bet. > > I usually arrive about 30-45 minutes early and hunt for parking. I'll > be there about 10-1 on Sunday. > > Louis > > -- > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA > Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation > http://www.the-caplans.us/ride4kids/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 8 18:59:44 2006 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:59:16 -0500 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX (Steven C. Di Pietro) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC's Cycle World Int'l MC Show X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO Aaron Maurer wrote: >Don't forget that there is now a huge (and amazingly nicely >landscaped) parking lot where the old convention center used to be.  I >don't know if they charge for parking on Sundays, but I would >seriously doubt it (given that the city shuts down on "church day"). > >If the weather's nice, definitely ride in. Hey, guys, It looks like I'm gonna' have to ride in anyway. Md's Marc Trains to DC, don't run on Sundays. Soooooooooooo, who's up for a group ride from the Balt. area to DC's Cycle World Int'l MC Show? -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. and the Greater Baltimore region. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL  "Mini-Cade" Coldest Observed Riding Temp. Winter '05:  17 F. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 8 20:20:45 2006 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:20:32 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Attenzione Ducatisti ! From today's hard-news section of the Post: DUCATI SPORTCLASSIC LAUNCH PARTY -- Thursday at 8:30 p.m. The Italian godfather of the motorcycle world brings a preview of Ducati's 2006 models to the stage along with rock bands Monopoli and the Meek. Black Cat, 1811 14th St. NW. $5. 202-667-7960. If the weather cooperates (>40') I may be there on my f'n Ducati :) JK John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 9 08:08:01 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Attenzione Ducatisti ! Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:07:47 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "John Kozyn" , I have to bartend that night...sounds like fun though. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: John Kozyn [mailto:mr_vfr@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Attenzione Ducatisti ! From today's hard-news section of the Post: DUCATI SPORTCLASSIC LAUNCH PARTY -- Thursday at 8:30 p.m. The Italian godfather of the motorcycle world brings a preview of Ducati's 2006 models to the stage along with rock bands Monopoli and the Meek. Black Cat, 1811 14th St. NW. $5. 202-667-7960. If the weather cooperates (>40') I may be there on my f'n Ducati :) JK John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 9 10:17:05 2006 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:16:53 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC's Cycle World Int'l MC Show Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've never had a problem squeezing in on the streets near the Convention Center, esp. with the KLR that's largely immune from the depredations of the "park-by-feel" set here in the city. I'll probably attend the show on Saturday, after a grueling two-mile ride. On 1/8/06, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > Aaron Maurer wrote: > > >Don't forget that there is now a huge (and amazingly nicely > >landscaped) parking lot where the old convention center used to be. . > > > Hey, guys, > It looks like I'm gonna' have to ride in anyway. ..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 10 09:20:43 2006 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:20:23 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] HOV Who would one contact about extending HOV hours? 395 HOV goes until 6pm, which seems a bit early to me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 11 08:11:10 2006 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:09:27 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Terminator tricks http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/11/schwarzenegger.license.ap/index.h tml Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 11 08:11:18 2006 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:11:06 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] The Bike Show -dc-cycles lunch? Anyone want to meet up for brunch and then go and check the show out. I am thinking the new Clyde's by the MCI Center might be worth checking out..or even that bar in the MCI Center that has been voted Washington's best cheeseburger. Barring salt on the ground, I am planning to ride. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 11 10:40:10 2006 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:39:59 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Terminator tricks Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX See, this is what I don't like.. the cops didn't issue any tickets to him, but had it been a civilian, they would have issued the tickets, even tho though didn't see the accident. He just never really thought about it.. is why he didn't get his license. Who buys that? that's a wonderful excuse.. He never once stopped to think that he might be riding illegally. LOL.. It's a damn shame he's willing to lie. He at least could have said something like... he had one in europe and when he transfered his license over, he thought that was included. LOL On 1/11/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/11/schwarzenegger.license.ap/index.h > tml > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 11 10:43:28 2006 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:43:13 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Terminator tricks Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I also wonder if he was wearing a full face helmet or not.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 11 10:51:54 2006 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:51:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Terminator tricks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Since he received stitches in his upper lip I would guess no. Glenn --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I also wonder if he was wearing a full face helmet > or not.. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 11 10:53:31 2006 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:53:19 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] The tire replacement chronicles Part II So no one knew what happened to my documentation. The guys selling the package stepped to the plate and gave me unofficial authorization to go ahead, get what I needed done and submit the paperwork. 3rd January...got the tow from my place to Coleman's. I was high-strung....No muddy, dirty straps must touch the fairing. Guy was polite and patient with my fussing. Strapped it down by the wheels. Seeing the bike bounce and shift as we were en route was less than relaxing. Order the tire. A week of beautiful weather goes by. Can't take it anymore. Started calling around for a Michelin Pilot Power 190 50 ZR17. Battley's has one. They quote me $210.00. Yesterday I haul ass getting there and back during lunch. I brought a print out of an online shop selling the same rubber for $159.00. Battley's graciously allows a discount and lets me walk out the door tire in hand for $175.00 cash. I arrive at Coleman's. 45 minutes later my beloved blue and white is ready for some gentle riding. I rode three and a half hours. Called my champion at Powerguard this morning. Was advised to fax all paperwork. Await form, and they will process claim. Step 3 will be getting the check in hand. Cheers All! Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 11 13:04:04 2006 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:03:48 -0500 From: Radio Waves To: DCCycles Subject: Fwd: [dc-cycles] Terminator tricks "Schwarzenegger said he had a motorcycle license when he lived in Europe but never considered obtaining another one after he immigrated to the United States in 1968. "I just never really applied for it," he said." As a champion of the party for "personal responsibility," he should really be insisting that he be charged with the crime. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 11 13:18:32 2006 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:18:14 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The tire replacement chronicles Part II Julian Halton wrote: > > > >I rode three and a half hours. > > > Congrats! Always good to hear good MC news. Tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 12 09:55:54 2006 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:55:40 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Not ticket for the terminator http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/12/arnold.bike.ap/index.html Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 13 16:15:31 2006 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:32:59 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Vemar helmets Are there any local shops that sell Vemar helmets? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 16 00:16:18 2006 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:15:57 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] '06 show photos are online go to www.dccycles.com and look on the right side of the page under the Spotlight box. The attendance around 3pm Sat was surprisingly light. This was my first ever use of a digital SLR (minolta 5D) so there are some cropping issues and not all the fill-flash worked correctly. But when you have unlimited 'film' I guess I don't mind too much. I just saved 3x over for my memory card in film processing costs I didn't spend. (you semi/pro-shutter bugs take it easy on me, ok?) Much thanks to Mike Troutman for the thumbnail processing and upload space. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 16 16:02:39 2006 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:16 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Pics from the show www.ironstride.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 16 16:02:56 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] First ride of 2006 - $125 and counting Well folks, decided to run away from home this morning and headed to Baltimore on the bike. Got about 15 miles out of the city and the handling of the bike started changing. The head started shaking and I heard a loud thumping noise. Something was wrong. Slowed down, downshifted and pulled over. Got a whiff of burning rubber and looked front and then back. Front tire fine, back tire flat. Got off the bike to take a better look and found the rear tire trashed. Couple chunks of rubber missing and a few slashes in it. Damn it. I know I checked the tire before I took off so, I must've picked up something. Called the police non-emergency and requested a tow truck. About 30-45 minutes later the truck showed up. Rolled the bike up onto the flatbed and headed home. Cost of towing, $125. Now gotta get it on my m/c carrier and get it over to Cycle Sport tomorrow to get a new tire put on. Slightly pissed but, happy that I caught the signs before something major happened. Scooter (slightly pissed but in one piece) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 16 16:09:46 2006 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:09:22 -0500 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] First ride of 2006 - $125 and counting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 04:02 PM 1/16/2006, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Well folks, decided to run away from home this morning and headed to >Baltimore on the bike. Got about 15 miles out of the city and the handling >of the >bike started changing. The head started shaking and I heard a loud thumping >noise. Something was wrong. Slowed down, downshifted and pulled over. Got >a >whiff of burning rubber and looked front and then back. Front tire fine, >back tire flat. Got off the bike to take a better look and found the rear >tire >trashed. Couple chunks of rubber missing and a few slashes in it. Damn it. > I know I checked the tire before I took off so, I must've picked up >something. Called the police non-emergency and requested a tow truck. About >30-45 >minutes later the truck showed up. Rolled the bike up onto the flatbed and >headed home. Cost of towing, $125. Now gotta get it on my m/c carrier and >get it over to Cycle Sport tomorrow to get a new tire put on. Slightly >pissed >but, happy that I caught the signs before something major happened. > >Scooter (slightly pissed but in one piece) Scooter, That truly sucks. I feel for ya buddy. As for the new rear tire. Would it be easier and faster to just remove the tire and take it over to get the new tire on rather than taking the entire bike over there? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 16 17:09:27 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:09:05 EST Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] First ride of 2006 - $125 and counting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO No bike stands and live in an apartment building. No way to really get it off. :-( Scooter In a message dated 1/16/2006 4:09:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, adamme@XXXXXX writes: Scooter, That truly sucks. I feel for ya buddy. As for the new rear tire. Would it be easier and faster to just remove the tire and take it over to get the new tire on rather than taking the entire bike over there? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 17 11:26:33 2006 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:26:47 -0500 From: David Blumgart To: senatord@XXXXXX CC: Me Subject: [dc-cycles] For all your automotive needs Kale Automotive is your source for quality replacement muffler bearings and that replacement '710' cap you've been looking for:

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They also offer performance parts like crossdrilled >brake lines. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 17 15:08:09 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] For all your automotive needs Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:11:01 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: They had to drop those items after SCO sued them for patent infringement. However, they had a good price on flux capacitors. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs Do you know if they are source for Winter and Summer air? Perry >Kale Automotive is your source for quality replacement muffler bearings >and that replacement '710' cap you've been looking for: > > > >http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 18 09:25:40 2006 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:25:21 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , VStrom List , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] I've been everywhere revisited From the LDRIDER list - a break from winter - enjoy > http://media.putfile.com/Ive-Been-Everywhere-Man -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 18 19:26:37 2006 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:26:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/18/06 Hey, thanks for that Mr Jordan. That was pretty cool. I was kinda imagining that the pics would correspond to the places ol' JC was singin' about, but it was still pretty neat. Looks like this weekend may yet allow a nice lil ride! Saturday for me, if at all. JK > > From the LDRIDER list - a break from winter - enjoy > > http://media.putfile.com/Ive-Been-Everywhere-Man John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 18 20:49:07 2006 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:48:55 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: John Kozyn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/18/06 John Kozyn wrote: >Hey, thanks for that Mr Jordan. That was pretty cool. I was kinda >imagining that the pics would correspond to the places ol' JC was >singin' about, but it was still pretty neat. > Leon has photographic "proof" that his bike has been to all the spots mentioned in the song. It'd be cool to set it to music, make a digital movie... -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 20 12:55:45 2006 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:55:26 -0500 From: Carl Custer To: SABMAG@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Thinking about 2007 With a bit of luck and good fortune, I should be retired, healthy, and have more time to devote to two wheeled touring. While crunching lunch, I surfed and found these: These guys have a good reputation: After watching the Paris Dakar, either of these look good. Or across the Sahara, through Central Africa and into South Africa on Yamaha XT350s: Just scroll down past the Hardly rentals: (Gotta love the URL) Climbing the Shipka pass on two wheels would be nifty: And then there's the more mundane but certainly fun: Closer to home: Vaca Sagrada! So many pesos! Didn't Poncho Villa start out as a bandit? Nice itinerary though. Pete, Tom? Mak-a you own tour da Italia? Umm this year? IIRC, Tom had identified this site as one rich in moto traveling info: Here's travelers seeking others: And specifically folks in Mexico and Central America. Carl (planning) In Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 20 16:07:07 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:06:47 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Test (sorry) OK gonna try this again. Can I send to dc-cycles? Can AOL to hell? John (still riding every day, but that ain't no brag these days #;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 20 16:17:40 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:17:13 EST Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Test (sorry) To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Yes but, you have to send as Plain Text. AOhelL sends a combined text and HTML e-mail that the DC Cycles list blocks as an attachment. Scooter (AOhelL impaired) In a message dated 1/20/2006 4:07:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: OK gonna try this again. Can I send to dc-cycles? Can AOL to hell? John (still riding every day, but that ain't no brag these days #;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 20 16:29:52 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:29:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] It's a miracle; I can "talk!" And a thank you. Well apparently I am back in communication again, between problems with hardware _and_ software I have been out of “it†for a while now. First things first I owe someone on this list a thank you. Some time back, and I mean some time, I said something about upgrading my rear shock to an aftermarket one. I have wanted/planned to replace it almost since the day I got the bike _but_ there were several problems. One: I tend to carry a widely varying load, Solo to two up to two up with bags and box (over)loaded and then I added a trailer… so I wanted something that had easy adjustability. An air shock would have been ideal but the space where the stock lives is crowded and no one makes an air shock that will fit into the hole. So I waited, hoping that someone would make one to fit, no one has. Then we rode to AK with _all_ of the above mentioned shituff. OHmygawd! Do I need a new shock! Anyhow, someone, and I have to apologize because I forget who, suggested that I check into Haygon. Well I put them on the back burner because I was not familiar with them but after a “we will get right back to you†from someone that was never returned I went back to the Haygon website. When I got to “Remote preload adjuster†I was sold. The Haygon is now on the bike and while it has not been tested with a full load the improvement even solo is tremendious. So: THANK YOU!! John W. Honda ST100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 20 19:59:23 2006 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:59:03 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Hagon Shocks Hey Penguin, It was prolly Glenn that pointed out the Hagon. We both have them on our VFRs and they're at least as good as OEM. In the UK they have a wider and good reputation. Less than $400 compared to $650+, the choice was easy :) JK John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 21 18:44:09 2006 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:43:52 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , LDList , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [VStrom2] Petition SpeedTV online to broadcast non-NASCAR content. From VStrom2 list: http://www.petitiononline.com/SpdTV/petition.html -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 24 15:33:04 2006 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:32:47 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Weather Advisory URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC 305 PM EST TUE JAN 24 2006 DCZ001-MDZ003>007-009>011-013-014-016>018-VAZ025>028-031-036-037- 041-042-050>057-WVZ050>053-055-250415- /O.NEW.KLWX.WI.Y.0003.060125T1400Z-060125T2200Z/ DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-WASHINGTON-FREDERICK MD-CARROLL- NORTHERN BALTIMORE-HARFORD-MONTGOMERY-HOWARD-SOUTHERN BALTIMORE- PRINCE GEORGES-ANNE ARUNDEL-CHARLES-ST. MARYS-CALVERT-AUGUSTA- ROCKINGHAM-SHENANDOAH-FREDERICK VA-CLARKE-NELSON-ALBEMARLE- FAUQUIER-LOUDOUN-ORANGE-CULPEPER- PRINCE WILLIAM/MANASSAS/MANASSAS PARK-FAIRFAX- ARLINGTON/FALLS CHURCH/ALEXANDRIA-STAFFORD-SPOTSYLVANIA- KING GEORGE-HAMPSHIRE-MORGAN-BERKELEY-JEFFERSON-HARDY- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WASHINGTON...HAGERSTOWN...FREDERICK... WESTMINSTER...GAITHERSBURG...COLUMBIA...BALTIMORE...ANNAPOLIS... WALDORF...ST MARYS CITY...STAUNTON...WAYNESBORO...HARRISONBURG... WINCHESTER...CHARLOTTESVILLE...LEESBURG...CULPEPER...MANASSAS... MANASSAS PARK...FAIRFAX...ALEXANDRIA...FALLS CHURCH... FREDERICKSBURG...MARTINSBURG...CHARLES TOWN 305 PM EST TUE JAN 24 2006 ...WIND ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 9 AM TO 5 PM EST WEDNESDAY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A WIND ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 9 AM TO 5 PM EST WEDNESDAY. A STRONG COLD FRONT WILL MOVE ACROSS THE REGION THIS EVENING. NORTHWESTERLY WINDS BEHIND THE FRONT WILL INCREASE OVERNIGHT AND BECOME GUSTY DURING THE WEDNESDAY MORNING COMMUTE. SUSTAINED WINDS OF 20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS OF UP TO 50 MPH ARE POSSIBLE ACROSS MUCH OF THE ADVISORY AREA THROUGH LATE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. MOTORISTS ARE URGED TO USE CAUTION DURING THE DAY WEDNESDAY... ESPECIALLY WHILE TRAVELING ALONG NORTH-SOUTH HIGHWAYS. A WIND ADVISORY MEANS THAT WINDS OF 35 MPH ARE EXPECTED. WINDS THIS STRONG CAN MAKE DRIVING DIFFICULT...ESPECIALLY FOR HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES. USE EXTRA CAUTION. = = = .THIS AFTERNOON...PARTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. SOUTHWEST WINDS 5 TO 10 MPH. .TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY. LOWS IN THE MID 30S. WEST WINDS AROUND 15 MPH. .WEDNESDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY AND BREEZY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. NORTHWEST WINDS 15 TO 25 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 35 MPH. .WEDNESDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR AND BREEZY. LOWS IN THE MID 20S. NORTHWEST WINDS 20 TO 25 MPH. .THURSDAY...SUNNY AND BREEZY. HIGHS IN THE MID 40S. NORTHWEST WINDS 15 TO 25 MPH. .THURSDAY NIGHT...CLEAR. LOWS IN THE UPPER 20S. .FRIDAY...SUNNY. HIGHS IN THE LOWER 50S. .FRIDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. LOWS IN THE MID 30S. .SATURDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS IN THE MID 50S. .SATURDAY NIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY. LOWS IN THE UPPER 30S. .SUNDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF SHOWERS. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. .SUNDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF SHOWERS. LOWS IN THE MID 30S. .MONDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 24 15:45:17 2006 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:44:47 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Weather Advisory That blows! -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 24 15:48:39 2006 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:48:27 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Interesting link on the new 06 R6 Apparently the 17,500 RPM redline may just be marketing hype: http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99693 I sat on the bike at the show and LOVED the set up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 24 16:31:30 2006 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:30:51 -0500 From: skip To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Weather Advisory heh! I'll have to remember to not strap that 4x8 sheet of plywood to the bike tomorrow morning... Michael Jordan wrote: > > That blows! > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 24 16:40:37 2006 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:40:26 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , gsx1100g@XXXXXX, LDList Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [VStrom2] Bizarre crash From the VSTROM2 list - y'all be careful out there. ********************************************************** >While getting ready for work this morning I'm >listening to the news. The traffic report comes on and >the airborne reporter reports of a m/c accident on the >55 freeway (this is in Orange County, CA). My ears >usually perk up when I here one of these. > >Anyway, the report is of an apparently drunk >motorcyclist who got on the freeway going in the wrong >direction and, naturally, had a head-on with a car. >Not all that unusual so far (around here at least), >but what was weird is the reporter says the freeway. >was closed by the CHP while they were trying to >"locate" the motorcyclist. > >After the first report I thought it was odd that >he/she could have survived a head-on on a major >freeway, but stranger things have happened. > >Then about half an hour later I heard a follow-up >traffic report that says the motorcyclist was located, >and I swear this is what they said, ON TOP OF THE >TRAILER OF AN 18 WHEELER!. > >Evidently the force of the impact with the car (they >didn't say what kind) threw the guy up and over with >enough velocity that he ended up on top of the truck >that was following the car he hit. He was, obviously, >deceased. > >I can't wait to read about this one in the paper >tomorrow. It if proves true this guy/gal may qualify >for a Darwin award. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 24 16:51:11 2006 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:52:45 -0500 To: Michael Jordan , DC-Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [VStrom2] Bizarre crash At 1/24/2006 04:40 PM, Michael Jordan wrote: > >Evidently the force of the impact with the car (they > >didn't say what kind) threw the guy up and over with > >enough velocity that he ended up on top of the truck > >that was following the car he hit. He was, obviously, > >deceased. But was he wearing a helmet? -- Mike B. -- Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 25 07:55:48 2006 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:55:31 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting link on the new 06 R6 Julian Halton wrote: > > > Apparently the 17,500 RPM redline may just be marketing hype: > http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99693 > > I sat on the bike at the show and LOVED the set up. > > > Interesting thread. I figured it would have no guts ( mid-range ), but on the track that doesn't seem to matter. I'm no racer, but it does seem that a good racer can keep the bike ( a peaky, no mid-range bike ) in it's slim hp range. Is it possible that mid-range power doesn't help on the track? Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 25 08:39:33 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Interesting link on the new 06 R6 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:39:21 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "De Boeser, Tom" , On the track you are usually in a screaming high gear down the straights, especially on a 600 and especially when you get so excited you forget to shift :)! Brake and down shift for the corners, get set up and roll on the throttle...I suppose mid-range would help coming out of the bends...at least for a little while, but the 6 is so torquey at least the 05 was, that it is real easy to get that tach needle up where it belongs. I loved the bike and am still slower on it's bigger sister. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: De Boeser, Tom [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting link on the new 06 R6 Julian Halton wrote: > > > Apparently the 17,500 RPM redline may just be marketing hype: > http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99693 > > I sat on the bike at the show and LOVED the set up. > > > Interesting thread. I figured it would have no guts ( mid-range ), but on the track that doesn't seem to matter. I'm no racer, but it does seem that a good racer can keep the bike ( a peaky, no mid-range bike ) in it's slim hp range. Is it possible that mid-range power doesn't help on the track? Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 25 12:58:10 2006 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:01:00 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Biaggi lands MotoGP gig! Stolen from another list: http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19773 Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 25 15:32:19 2006 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:30:42 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] the wind is strong enough..... Me and My R1 were involuntarily shifted out of our intended path of travel. Steering inputs required! Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 26 11:59:50 2006 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:02:42 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] electrics sounding better and better Between the ice patches and the wind gusts this morning's commute was mondo cold. I could tell that my reaction time and control focus were fading as I rode. Heck, my fingers were frozen before I even pulled out of my driveway. A Lexus sedan that insisted on matching me pass for pass down I-66 finally got my blood circulating enough to keep me awake :) Anyone else seen the unmarked Mustang GT cruiser? I saw it a few days ago on I-66, I'm not sure if it's Fairfax PD or Virginia State police. I believe it was midnight blue and it definitely had a full complement of lights (though no light bar on top). Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 26 12:41:39 2006 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:41:08 -0500 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX (Steven C. Di Pietro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-AOL-Language: english X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Speed Cameras Coming To Maryland http://wjz.com/local/local_story_025212307.html -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL  "Mini-Cade" Coldest Observed Riding Temp. Winter '05:  17 F. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 10:00:43 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:03:32 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Social Observation Good news or bad news depending upon your point of view. The family went shopping at JC Penny's over the weekend and as anyone else who has had a 4 year old and a very pregnant wife tagging along, trips to the restroom are frequent and can be extended. While standing outside yet another restroom I glanced down at the table in front of the men's room door and a saw a sign labelled "Final Clearance-75% off"; on it were all the Orange County Chopper sweatshirts, now down to $5.99 each. Just in case anyone wants to stock up. Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 10:03:02 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:06:03 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Review of Two Wheel Tuesday Great post from the Superbike blog: 2 Wheel Tuesday: The ongoing tragedy From James Walker on Usenet: "2 wheel tuesday is a 30 minunte show minus 12 minutes for commercials. [That equals an] 18 minute show. So, out of [18 minutes], 10 minutes were devoted to how to make a [motorcycle] commercial. For pete's sake Speed Channel, can't ya find enough mc news to even fill [an] 18 minute show?" Amen to that. I desperately want to like this show, but it repeatedly insists on sucking. First of all, they need to get rid of all the enduro and trials crap once and for all. Nobody gives a flying rat's ass about that stuff. If I never see another trials bike in my life, it'll be too soon. Where I come from, we have a similar device to a trials bike; it's called a Pogo Stick, and it's almost as boring. Secondly, anything that doesn't have to do with streetriding or roadracing should be kept to a minimum. Dirtbike racing highlights should be shown, but should be collectively no longer than about 90 seconds in length. Thirdly, I don't want to see another "custom" chopper or S&S-powered piece of butt jewelry on 2WT ever again. Ride On, American Thunder, V-Twin TV, American Chooper, Build or Bust, and a gaggle of other shows on cable have that subject matter covered ad nauseum. Oh, and scooters suck, too. Every time I see something scooter-related on that show, it's like taking NyQuil. The old Motorcyclist TV show had it right. They reviewed bikes, gave performance and suspension tips, touched on streetriding issues, and otherwise kept their focus. 2 Wheel Tuesday could learn a lot by digging into those archives and doing something interesting with their 22 weekly minutes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 10:23:04 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Social Observation Content-ID: <7653.1138634577.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:22:57 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >... on it were all the Orange County Chopper sweatshirts, now down >to $5.99 each. That's a good sign, I think. I recall the following conversation: dude: "My dream is to be able to buy a chopper some day." me: "Oh, you want to get into riding? You can get a good, used bike for pretty cheap." dude: "No, I've just always wanted to own a chopper." I had a heart-warming experience on Saturday. I was on the VFR on 95 and was passed by a dude standing in the saddle in a wheelie, going about 90. At least he was wearing pants. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 10:24:49 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:24:37 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] There is nothing quite like a.................... A good morning kiss from a beautiful woman followed by stepping outside to set your eyes upon your motorcycle! Romance aside, I spent an evening in Oakton,VA. Despite no mention of rain, I awoke to damp streets and a bike covered in water and condensation. I did a fair amount of riding this weekend and used up one of my remaining three or four lives. It was my fault and I regret my choice of action. I was cruising West down Canal Road at a leisurely pace. I was coming up on a silver car that had stopped. I did not see any turn signals. I did not know why they had stopped. On the left side of Canal Road, just West of the Chain Bridge there is a parking lot. I _chose to put my left turn signal on, accelerate and pass the car. As I went left, the car suddenly turned in towards the parking lot and me. I went hard left and gassed it, fully expecting to be rammed. I made it and had shaky knee syndrome or a few minutes after. I should not have tried to go around the car. Segue back to this morning. I became a guest commuter from Oakton to Ballston on the 66. Lots of HOV violators, no bikes except for a Fairfax county LEO and lots of congestion. I was much happier being on two than in four. Lessons learned from from this weekend: don't get complacent and stray from the fact that you need to be at alert X 5 all the time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 10:34:39 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:34:31 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Social Observation > the Orange County Chopper sweatshirts, now down to $5.99 each. I see that they're approaching fair market value -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 10:38:54 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:39:11 -0500 To: "Cedric Bernescut" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Review of Two Wheel Tuesday At 1/30/2006 10:06 AM, Cedric Bernescut wrote: >Great post from the Superbike blog: > >2 Wheel Tuesday: The ongoing tragedy > >First of all, they need to get rid of all the enduro and trials crap >once and for all. Nobody gives a flying rat's ass about that stuff. If I >never see another trials bike in my life, it'll be too soon. Where I >come from, we have a similar device to a trials bike; it's called a Pogo >Stick, and it's almost as boring. > >Secondly, anything that doesn't have to do with streetriding or >roadracing should be kept to a minimum. Dirtbike racing highlights >should be shown, but should be collectively no longer than about 90 >seconds in length. I don't watch the show anymore, but that's because too much time was spent watching boring road racing clips. They lean right, they lean left, they lean right...yawn...Oh, look! Someone sliding into hay bales! They lean right, they lean left, they lean right...snore.... Actually, the trials bike stuff was some of the more interesting time they spent. The control needed to do the sort of riding they were showing is amazing, even allowing for the specially-designed bikes (trials riding was once done on regular trail bikes...be interesting to see a class for that if there isn't one). I do agree about the scooters though. The stunt they pulled a while back where they were going to ride cross-country on scooters was interesting only because it was so stupid. Sort of like watching someone belly-flop into a pool full of Jello, or teasing a moose. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 10:57:01 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:56:21 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]_=3FReview_of_Two_Wheel_Tuesday?= To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd just be happy if they had a weekly show where they take a cruiser or sportbike and do a teardown and rebuild. Or some indepth maintenance on bikes. It doesn't even have to be performance upgrades,just how to do routine stuff like valve adjustments, brake pad replacements, tire removal, (and how different types of tire tread affects handling) etc. hell, they could even go through an owners manual and show how to go through the scheduled maintenace checks. Have a tech show shortcuts and tips on doing work on your bike..stuff like that. I know how to do 90% of my own maintenance anyway, but at least it would be educational. Personally, I'm pretty sick of dirt bike shows, brainless chopper builts and hour long infomercials for Corbin. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 10:58:19 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:58:06 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Review of Two Wheel Tuesday Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > >From James Walker on Usenet: > > "2 wheel tuesday is a 30 minunte show minus 12 minutes for commercials. > [That equals an] 18 minute show. So, out of [18 minutes], 10 minutes > were devoted to how to make a [motorcycle] commercial. For pete's sake > Speed Channel, can't ya find enough mc news to even fill [an] 18 minute > show?" > > I hate that host. UGH. > Thirdly, I don't want to see another "custom" chopper or S&S-powered > piece of butt jewelry on 2WT ever again. Ride On, American Thunder, > V-Twin TV, American Chooper, Build or Bust, and a gaggle of other shows > on cable have that subject matter covered ad nauseum. > Too much of the "Chooper/American" stuff. Bikes are bikes, more of every kind of bike would be nice. A motorcycle type show like PBS's _MotorWeek_ would be cool. > The old Motorcyclist TV show had it right. They reviewed bikes, gave > performance and suspension tips, touched on streetriding issues, and > otherwise kept their focus. 2 Wheel Tuesday could learn a lot by digging > into those archives and doing something interesting with their 22 weekly > minutes. > Again, the current host SUX. Tom de From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 11:56:50 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:57:55 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]_=3FReview_of_Two_Wheel_Tuesday?= At 1/30/2006 10:56 AM, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > >I'd just be happy if they had a weekly show where they take >a cruiser or sportbike and do a teardown and rebuild. Or >some indepth maintenance on bikes. The show is "Classic Rides", and they spend a whole series tearing down and rebuilding a '65 Electra Glide. The host (Kevin Tetz, who's a good painter in his own right and has some tapes on the subject) and his expert, William "Dunk" Dunkelberger, who's been a Harley wrench for decades show the whole procedure. They strip it down, repaint things, replace anything worn, put it all back together and adjust it. Engine, fork tubes, brakes, steering bearings, cables, chain, tires, electrics, everything. Very educational. They even do some mods, like using the engine guard ("Crash Bars") for extra oil cooling by running lines to make it part of the oil loop. It looks like they are running that series at the moment. The frame and tires show is on this coming Friday. Info on the show here: http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/shows_dclr/0,2044,DIY_19137,00.html >hell, they could even go through an owners manual and show how to >go through the scheduled maintenace checks. Have a tech show shortcuts and >tips on doing work on your bike..stuff like that. Would you be interested in a DVD that shows that sort of thing? >Personally, I'm pretty sick of dirt bike shows, brainless chopper builts >and hour long infomercials for Corbin. Well, at least Michele Smith is easy on the eyes... ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 30 12:08:08 2006 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:07:55 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO646-US?Q?Re:_Re:_=3FRe:_[dc-cycles]_=3FReview_of_Two_Wheel_Tuesday?= To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: "Mike B." >Date: Mon Jan 30 10:57:55 CST 2006 >To: adamme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] ?Review of Two Wheel Tuesday >At 1/30/2006 10:56 AM, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> >>I'd just be happy if they had a weekly show where they take >>a cruiser or sportbike and do a teardown and rebuild. Or >>some indepth maintenance on bikes. > >The show is "Classic Rides", and they spend a whole series tearing down and >rebuilding a '65 Electra Glide. The host ..that's great! I'll have to look into that show. Now, if they would do the same thing for a recent model bike.....at least something newer than a 40yo bike would be nice. >>hell, they could even go through an owners manual and show how to >>go through the scheduled maintenace checks. Have a tech show shortcuts and >>tips on doing work on your bike..stuff like that. > >Would you be interested in a DVD that shows that sort of thing? ..sure.. > >>Personally, I'm pretty sick of dirt bike shows, brainless chopper builts >>and hour long infomercials for Corbin. > >Well, at least Michele Smith is easy on the eyes... ;-) ..you've got a point there. Now if we could get Jessica Alba back in a tight leather body suit on a radical sport bike.... ;-) -aki > >-- >-- Mike B. > >'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > >Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 1 12:45:25 2006 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:45:08 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] VStrom spotted Blue, headed east on the Dulles Toll Road at about 09:00 this morning. Anybody here? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 1 13:11:22 2006 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:11:05 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] VStrom spotted To: DC-Cycles Cc: Gary Heinze Could have been my friend. He's got a blue wee-strom, lives out past leesburg, and commutes to Merrifield. --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Blue, headed east on the Dulles Toll Road at about > 09:00 this morning. > > Anybody here? > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 09:43:19 2006 From: "Steven" To: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:42:50 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Getting a seat redone I'm looking for a place in the D.C. metro area that will redo the seat cover on my scoot. Sargeant Cycle doesn't offer a skin for my bike so I'd rather drop it off locally than pay to ship it to florida and back for someone to do the same thing. Do you guys know any good reputable shops in the area? Virginia side is better but I'll drive the extra miles for a lower price. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 10:30:59 2006 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:30:52 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Steven Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a seat redone Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Don't know anyone in the immediate area, but Rich Maund ( http://www.geocities.com/rgmaund/RichsCyclePage3.html ), located near Va. Beach I think, get's rave reviews. On 2/2/06, Steven wrote: > I'm looking for a place in the D.C. metro area that will redo the seat cover > on my scoot. Sargeant Cycle doesn't offer a skin for my bike so I'd rather > drop it off locally than pay to ship it to florida and back for someone to > do the same thing. Do you guys know any good reputable shops in the area? > Virginia side is better but I'll drive the extra miles for a lower price. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 10:31:27 2006 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:31:25 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Steven Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a seat redone Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Argh. Make that "gets." On 2/2/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Don't know anyone in the immediate area, but Rich Maund ( > http://www.geocities.com/rgmaund/RichsCyclePage3.html ), located near > Va. Beach I think, get's rave reviews. > > > > On 2/2/06, Steven wrote: > > I'm looking for a place in the D.C. metro area that will redo the seat cover > > on my scoot. Sargeant Cycle doesn't offer a skin for my bike so I'd rather > > drop it off locally than pay to ship it to florida and back for someone to > > do the same thing. Do you guys know any good reputable shops in the area? > > Virginia side is better but I'll drive the extra miles for a lower price. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 10:53:30 2006 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:53:16 -0800 From: smthng else To: Steven Cc: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Getting a seat redone You can try Lee's Custom Trim off of Fullerton Road. I've never used them, but I've heard good things about them. --smthng On 2/2/06, Steven wrote: > I'm looking for a place in the D.C. metro area that will redo the seat cover > on my scoot. Sargeant Cycle doesn't offer a skin for my bike so I'd rather > drop it off locally than pay to ship it to florida and back for someone to > do the same thing. Do you guys know any good reputable shops in the area? > Virginia side is better but I'll drive the extra miles for a lower price. > > -- --sÅ­m'thÄ­ng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ Fishing for an orkut invitation. Got one? Shoot me one over.. smthngelse@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 10:55:03 2006 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:54:47 -0800 (PST) From: ArmadilloFZ1 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a seat redone To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX you can order an OEM seatcover form any cycle shop and in about 15 minutes with an electric staplegun you can have great results. --- Steven wrote: > I'm looking for a place in the D.C. metro area that > will redo the seat cover > on my scoot. Sargeant Cycle doesn't offer a skin for > my bike so I'd rather > drop it off locally than pay to ship it to florida > and back for someone to > do the same thing. Do you guys know any good > reputable shops in the area? > Virginia side is better but I'll drive the extra > miles for a lower price. > > -= Hannibal Ad Portus=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 11:00:52 2006 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:52:56 -0500 To: "Steven" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a seat redone At 2/2/2006 09:42 AM, Steven wrote: >I'm looking for a place in the D.C. metro area that will redo the seat cover >on my scoot. John Longo, in Rockville, does nice work. He's done custom seats for several of the local HOG members, and he added padding to my seat to make it fit my height better (done while-U-wait in my case as it was just a re-sculpt using the same cover). He also does car upholstery too. 301-762-4373 103 N. Stone Street Rockville, MD (that's a couple of blocks north of the Rockville Metro station) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 11:52:23 2006 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:52:16 -0500 From: Carl Custer To: brian_frosh@XXXXXX, marilyn_goldwater@XXXXXX, susan.lee@XXXXXX, psause@XXXXXX Cc: SABMAG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Think Bike... safety campaign Dear Senator Frosh, Delegate Goldwater, and Delegate Lee, The following came up on an international motorcycle listserve. I believe Maryland could use something like this. In fact I believe it could be readily adopted at minimal cost to the State. The State of Maryland could do a lot more in promoting road safety by using currently available resources. For example, several years ago, I wrote describing the percentage of Marlyand automobiles that did not use headlights with their wipers. That percentage has risen and I've only heard one radio announcer (Dick Spotswood -WAMU) mention that law. That is a free resource. I suspect this video could be used for the asking. How about it? Think Bike... safety campaign < http://ruiner.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/howclose.mpg> This is more than just a single 30-second TV video; it's a three-component campaign. In addition to the video, they have a radio ad, which "backs up the TV message and acts as an in-car reminder. There is a strong link between the two elements of the campaign." "The third element is a six-sheet poster campaign using sites adjacent to petrol stations. The posters remind urban bikers to make sure they are seen." The full story is at http://tinyurl.com/e2wnk and a direct link to the radio ad is Carl S. Custer 8605 Hartsdale Ave, Bethesda, MD 20817 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 12:52:39 2006 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:52:22 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras and Helmetless Bikers http://www.wtop.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=687648 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 13:13:58 2006 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:13:51 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras and Helmetless Bikers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX When I first read the subject, I thought they meant they'd use red-light cams to nab helmetless riders. On 2/2/06, Glenn Dysart wrote: > http://www.wtop.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=687648 -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 13:58:43 2006 X-Sasl-Enc: E3fMKRAgWDbnDznNuLSqoPmtOFxPZ1EY9Yyy9vNqrb2x 1138906706 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras and Helmetless Bikers Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:58:26 -0500 That's what I thought too... was looking for the info in the article. My new GPS lets me download things like Red Light cameras and known speedtraps. I was giving it a try today, and it was pointing out a few red light locations. Then I remembered it wasn't being enforced anymore. I'll leave the info just in case for now. Louis On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:13:51 -0500, "Paul Wilson" said: > When I first read the subject, I thought they meant they'd use > red-light cams to nab helmetless riders. > > On 2/2/06, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > http://www.wtop.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=687648 ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Ask me about my girls: http://www.the-caplans.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 17:15:01 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a seat redone Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:14:46 -0500 Rich re-did the old Corbin seat on my previous Concours, back about 7-8 years ago. I think he was just getting started then. He did good work. Not exactly local, though... Perry >From: Aaron Maurer >To: Steven >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a seat redone >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:31:25 -0500 > >Argh. Make that "gets." > >On 2/2/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > Don't know anyone in the immediate area, but Rich Maund ( > > http://www.geocities.com/rgmaund/RichsCyclePage3.html ), located near > > Va. Beach I think, get's rave reviews. > > > > > > > > On 2/2/06, Steven wrote: > > > I'm looking for a place in the D.C. metro area that will redo the seat >cover > > > on my scoot. Sargeant Cycle doesn't offer a skin for my bike so I'd >rather > > > drop it off locally than pay to ship it to florida and back for >someone to > > > do the same thing. Do you guys know any good reputable shops in the >area? > > > Virginia side is better but I'll drive the extra miles for a lower >price. > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 20:23:13 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Getting a seat redone. Plus MC Show Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:22:53 -0500 Bedo's 703 534 3233 has done a variety of good jobs for me. Broad St., Falls Church. Call first. Also: Mid-Atlantic MC show at Dulles Expo Sat-Sun. http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=84. (Come to think of it, there's usually a selection of leather people there.) Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > In favor of globally warmed winters Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 2 22:56:29 2006 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Dulles Moto show Where can i find a list of vendors attending? I just went through the entire site and found no list anywhere and it seems to be a lot of choppers from what I can tell. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 4 12:41:09 2006 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:40:40 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] track day plans? I was looking at the R. Lyle days at Summit and marking my calendar but was wondering if anyone was also headed to Beaverun (PA) this year and more importantly, mid-Ohio for the AMA weekend there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 4 17:16:49 2006 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] track day plans? Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:22:45 -0500 I'll be doing some of Roger Lyle track days and most of Mid Atlantic regional race for WERA & CCS. Coleman Powersport is hosting some track days at Summit this year too. http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=24806 ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] track day plans? >I was looking at the R. Lyle days at Summit and marking my calendar but > was wondering if anyone was also headed to Beaverun (PA) this year and > more importantly, mid-Ohio for the AMA weekend there. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 4 18:09:39 2006 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:09:26 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , LDList , VStrom List , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] The World's Fastest Indian See it. Bring your wife/girlfriend/whatever (it's a chick flick too) If you're a female motorcyclist, then you win on both counts ;-) Great job by Anthony Hopkins (of course) and a great story. Will add DVD to the collection when it becomes available. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 6 10:08:25 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:08:08 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! Anyone going? The wife and I will be heading down for the week this year. I got her down there for a few days last year and she enjoyed it. Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 6 10:08:25 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:08:12 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! Anyone going? The wife and I will be heading down for the week this year. I got her down there for a few days last year and she enjoyed it. Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 6 10:33:44 2006 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:33:37 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > Anyone going? Sorta - heading down on Thursday for the IBA party on Friday and then back on Saturday/Sunday. May actually make it to Daytona proper - probably won't, although I will try to hit the vendors tents at the track. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 6 12:35:45 2006 X-Sasl-Enc: M5WV0XhtG9UqWczRIwIxcRCI0zYLaf/PO8S3oX9PqyJE 1139247327 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:35:27 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Motorcycle Show in Timonium I'm thinking of heading up to the motorcycle show in Timonium on Sunday. Has anyone been at this show before? Are there good vendors? When I went to the motorcycle show in DC a few weeks back, I was pretty disappointed in the number and scope of vendors present. And while I can find a map of the layout, I don't see a vendor list on their website (www.cycleshow.net) unless I'm missing something. One thing in particular I'm looking for is a mount to put a flag on my motorcycle (more specifically, the Givi rack I added to the bag on back). Plus anything else interesting of course, but not if it's mostly a bunch of bikes on display, and the usual cheesy stickers for your helmet, shirts, etc. I might also have my 2.5 year old, and maybe my wife and 9 month old as well. How navigable is the place with a stroller, or even a double? Thanks, Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Ask me about my girls: http://www.the-caplans.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 6 13:03:53 2006 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:03:47 -0500 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcycle Show in Timonium At 2/6/2006 12:35 PM, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >One thing in particular I'm looking for is a mount to put a flag on my >motorcycle (more specifically, the Givi rack I added to the bag on >back). Check out: http://www.milehighenterprises.com/Flags_and_Poles/index.html (or http://www.motorcycleflags.biz ...same place.) He was at the show in Chantilly last weekend, and had a number of brackets, clamps and poles as well as flags for them. Some folded, some didn't, some clamped onto tubing, some shared a bolt with something you already have on the bike, like a rack or a fender or a license plate. Seemed like a nice guy too. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 6 13:25:53 2006 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:25:41 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Sad news....about soldiers and scooters Troops Back From War Zones Dying On Motorcycles POSTED: 7:51 am EST February 6, 2006 Email This Story | Print This Story CAMP LEJEUNE, N.C. -- More troops have died in off-duty motorcycle accidents after they returned from duty in Afghanistan than have been killed fighting there since Sept. 11, 2001, safety records show. Military commanders in North Carolina say the deaths are largely the result of boredom, bonus pay, and adrenalin to burn off after troops return from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nearly 350 troops have died on bikes since the 2001 terrorist attacks. That's compared to 259 killed while serving in Afghanistan. Nearly 1,000 more troops have been injured on bikes. Marine Lance Cpl. Mark Strickland, 24, was one of five Marines from Camp Lejeune who were involved in serious motorcycle crashes in October. Four of them had been home just a few weeks from combat in Iraq's deadly Anbar Province. Three of the Marines were killed and another lost a leg. "When the doctor told me that he was dead, I told him that wasn't acceptable, it just wasn't acceptable," said Andrea Strickland, 22, the widow of Mark Strickland. "I said, 'He just got back from a war zone, and you're going to tell me that he died doing something he loved?' " The problem could get worse as some 20,000 Marines and sailors begin returning to bases in North Carolina over the coming weeks. "Our goal is not to see the same thing happen," said Lt. Gen. James F. Amos, commander of the Camp Lejeune-based II Marine Expeditionary Force. Amos described the crashes in October as "a cold shot to the heart" and ordered a crackdown. The following month normal base operations were halted to focus on safety, particularly for motorcyclists. Camp Lejeune also added safety programs and re-emphasized existing ones. These include a mentor program Amos created that's being considered as a model for the entire Marine Corps. The Army hasn't been immune to off-duty motorcycle deaths, with more than 40 in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30. The Army chief of staff issued a memo in December that urge experienced riders to cut the accident rate by mentoring beginners. The military has enough of a challenge maintaining a force that repeated deployments have left severely stretched, according to two reports released last month - one commissioned by the Pentagon, the other by Congressional Democrats. In response to the motorcycle injuries, Maj. Gen. Robert C. Dickerson Jr., who oversees most of the Marine Corps' East Coast facilities, has visited area motorcycle dealers and asked them to pass out Corps-funded $100 vouchers to Marine customers for the safety classes. "I've owned three motorcycles, and they're a lot of fun, but you've got to be careful," Dickerson said. He says the Marines need risk-takers but it's crucial to draw a line between courage and recklessness. Troops say the bikes fill the adrenalin void they left behind in the war zone. "Riders who have been in accidents have told us that it's the legal crack cocaine," said J.T. Coleman, a civilian spokesman for the Army's Combat Readiness Center in Fort Rucker, Ala., which tracks accidents among soldiers. "They say it gives them the same adrenaline rush they get driving their tank through Baghdad or whatever." Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 7 08:00:52 2006 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:00:33 -0500 From: "Steve McCollom" Subject: Re:[dc-cycles] Bike Week! To: I'm leaving on Monday 3/6, and taking three days to meander south on the '03 Nighthawk. I'll spend Thurs. - Sat. primarily at the speedway, and head over to view some of the spectacle by the beach one or two evenings. Steve AARP Rookie 1977 Honda CB750A 2003 Honda CB750 2004 Aprilia RSV R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" To: Subject: [SPAM] [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > Anyone going? > > The wife and I will be heading down for the week this year. I got her down > there for a few days last year and she enjoyed it. > > Perry > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 7 16:55:13 2006 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:55:01 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] helmet outlet usa Has anyone done business with helmetoutletusa.com? They link back to us on dccycles.com and want a return link, but I don't know anything about them. I am just wrapping up a 3 week tour in Detroit. I watched the super bowl kickoff from a catwalk 100ft above the field (thanks to my job, of course). I haven't ridden my bikes in well over a month. I can't imagine riding up here - the roads and drivers are miserable. One of the guys I am with was behind a drunk driver that smashed into a Cadillac at a light at 3pm yesterday. He got out and said 'I didn't know I was _that_ drunk!' I did hear a humorous story at the bar last night though. A co-worker's uncle was in the Detroit Outlaws, and he used to ride around with a chimp on his tank that would give any cop car the finger as he rode by. Another guy has a childhood friend known as 'Superman' that makes a 50 mile area public road circuit on his Eyeabuser in just under 15 minutes (a la Pascal). Detroit is a little bit nuts. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 7 17:11:12 2006 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:11:32 -0500 To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet outlet usa At 2/7/2006 04:55 PM, Mike Troutman wrote: > >Another guy has a childhood friend known as 'Superman' that makes a 50 >mile area public road circuit on his Eyeabuser in just under 15 minutes (a >la Pascal). Detroit is a little bit nuts. Have you measured your inseam lately? I think your leg has been pulled enough that it's probably changed... 50 miles in 15 minutes requires an average speed of 200 mph. While it may be possible for a Hyabusa to get to that speed on a straight line (those who run them at the dragstrip can confirm or deny that rumor), I seriously doubt that an average speed of 200 mph over public roads is possible. Now, 15 miles in 50 minutes I could easily believe...that's only an average of 18 mph. Could you have been *that* drunk? ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 7 17:20:10 2006 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:20:10 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet outlet usa Oh, I agree with you. But apparently this is well known among some area riders. The roads involved are all highways, and his bike was modified to top out somewhere around 215. At any rate, the telling of the story was the amusing part! Mike B. wrote: > At 2/7/2006 04:55 PM, Mike Troutman wrote: >> >> Another guy has a childhood friend known as 'Superman' that makes a >> 50 mile area public road circuit on his Eyeabuser in just under 15 >> minutes (a la Pascal). Detroit is a little bit nuts. > > Have you measured your inseam lately? I think your leg has been > pulled enough that it's probably changed... > > 50 miles in 15 minutes requires an average speed of 200 mph. While it > may be possible for a Hyabusa to get to that speed on a straight line > (those who run them at the dragstrip can confirm or deny that rumor), > I seriously doubt that an average speed of 200 mph over public roads > is possible. > > Now, 15 miles in 50 minutes I could easily believe...that's only an > average of 18 mph. Could you have been *that* drunk? ;-) > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 7 20:37:47 2006 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Hayabusa tall tales (was helmet outlet usa) On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Mike B. wrote: > 50 miles in 15 minutes requires an average speed of 200 mph. While it may > be possible for a Hyabusa to get to that speed on a straight line (those > who run them at the dragstrip can confirm or deny that rumor), I seriously > doubt that an average speed of 200 mph over public roads is possible. A stock Hayabusa can not do 200, it takes a handful of mods. HOpe that helps :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 7 20:56:18 2006 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:55:40 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 02/07/06 LOL - Thanks for the memories, Mike :) I rode my first three motorcycles ('65 CB160, '70 Triumphs TR6R & T150) in Detroit. You're absolutely right about riding there. Drivers are a**holes and the roads are terrible. Plus, there are no curves/twisties unless you drive v-e-r-y far away! Somehow I did enjoy it back then though... If you're still there tomorrow, head up north a bit on Woodward near Alexandrine and look for "Union Station" (on the left) - nice lil resto/pub I frequent when I'm there on my annual visit. JK From: Mike Troutman > I am just wrapping up a 3 week tour in Detroit. I watched the super > bowl kickoff from a catwalk 100ft above the field (thanks to my job, > of > course). I haven't ridden my bikes in well over a month. I can't > imagine riding up here - the roads and drivers are miserable. One of > the guys I am with was behind a drunk driver that smashed into a > Cadillac at a light at 3pm yesterday. He got out and said 'I didn't > know I was _that_ drunk!' > > I did hear a humorous story at the bar last night though. A > co-worker's > uncle was in the Detroit Outlaws, and he used to ride around with a > chimp on his tank that would give any cop car the finger as he rode > by. > Another guy has a childhood friend known as 'Superman' that makes a > 50 > mile area public road circuit on his Eyeabuser in just under 15 > minutes > (a la Pascal). Detroit is a little bit nuts. John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 7 21:53:49 2006 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:52:53 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hayabusa tall tales (was helmet outlet usa) At 2/7/2006 08:51 PM, Wayne Edelen wrote: >A stock Hayabusa can not do 200, it takes a handful of mods. HOpe that >helps :-) Just the one handful? Wow. ;-) Thanks for the info! BTW, if you check out Evil Overlord Carl's website, you'll note that he (briefly) swapped his Hayabusa for a Honda CB360. Nostalgia, eh? http://www.schelin.org -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 7 23:04:19 2006 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:10:12 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] red GIVI bags for sale red GIVI bags for sale; http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/132118785.html eBay is a terrible thing especially minutes before the auction ends... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 8 08:33:39 2006 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:33:16 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! Steve McCollom wrote: > I'm leaving on Monday 3/6, and taking three days to meander south on > the '03 Nighthawk. I'll spend Thurs. - Sat. primarily at the > speedway, and head over to view some of the spectacle by the beach one > or two evenings. > Somehow doing that on a Nighthawk sounds fun. Tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 8 10:32:52 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Hayabusa tall tales (was helmet outlet usa) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:35:55 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Not that this will help my morning commute that much, but I've always been a bit curious as to what modifications people did to break 200 on the Hayabusa. All the street magazine tests seemed to get between 185 and 189 for top speed, except for a British mag that stripped the street gear off and got to 194. Based on the physics, those last few MPH are the toughest to get, are the mods major such as overboring, or less dramatic than that? Not that it would apply to my CBR 600, just a bit or curiousity. There used to be a supercharger kit for F3's that fit completely under the stock bodywork, but I've been unable to find the company online. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Hayabusa tall tales (was helmet outlet usa) On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Mike B. wrote: > 50 miles in 15 minutes requires an average speed of 200 mph. While it > may be possible for a Hyabusa to get to that speed on a straight line > (those who run them at the dragstrip can confirm or deny that rumor), > I seriously doubt that an average speed of 200 mph over public roads > is possible. A stock Hayabusa can not do 200, it takes a handful of mods. HOpe that helps :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 8 14:14:23 2006 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:14:06 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet outlet usa Probabaly just estimatng the numbers.. probably more like 45 miles in under 20 minutes, average speed of 135 mph.. Dunno bout detroit, but baltimore to dc, at 2 to 4 a.m. is easily doable. I hear it's pretty fun too. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 8 14:34:59 2006 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:35:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet outlet usa At 2/8/2006 02:14 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >average speed of 135 mph.. > >Dunno bout detroit, but baltimore to dc, at 2 to 4 a.m. is easily doable. > >I hear it's pretty fun too. :) Until the speed kills you... -- Mike B. -- I will not torment the emotionally frail. I will not torment the emotiona... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 8 16:17:27 2006 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:17:16 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet outlet usa Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well Christ, Speed needs to be a little faster.. it had better hurry the up.. It hasn't killed me or anyone I know in all these years of speeding. damn procrastinator. At this rate I'm going to die an old man, senile with colon cancer and demensia. That's no fun. On 2/8/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 2/8/2006 02:14 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > >average speed of 135 mph.. > > > >Dunno bout detroit, but baltimore to dc, at 2 to 4 a.m. is easily doable. > > > >I hear it's pretty fun too. :) > > Until the speed kills you... > > -- Mike B. > -- > I will not torment the emotionally frail. I will not torment the emotiona... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 8 16:27:10 2006 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:25:23 -0500 From: skip To: Danny Motorcycle CC: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet outlet usa mix it with a little morphine and it'll work better. :~) obmoto: I know a guy that has an 84 or 85 V65 Sabre for sale for $800, if anyone's looking Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > Well Christ, Speed needs to be a little faster.. it had better hurry > the up.. It hasn't killed me or anyone I know in all these years of > speeding. damn procrastinator. At this rate I'm going to die an old > man, senile with colon cancer and demensia. That's no fun. > > On 2/8/06, Mike B. wrote: > > At 2/8/2006 02:14 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > >average speed of 135 mph.. > > > > > >Dunno bout detroit, but baltimore to dc, at 2 to 4 a.m. is easily doable. > > > > > >I hear it's pretty fun too. :) > > > > Until the speed kills you... > > > > -- Mike B. > > -- > > I will not torment the emotionally frail. I will not torment the emotiona... > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 09:48:11 2006 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:47:45 -0500 From: "Steve McCollom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! To: "De Boeser, Tom" , A trip to Daytona on the RSV at my age (55) would be more fun... the first day. :-) Steve 1977 CB750A 2003 CB750 2004 RSV R ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > Somehow doing that on a Nighthawk sounds fun. > > > Tom de > 03 ST1300 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 10:03:45 2006 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:03:14 -0500 The trip to Daytona from DC is only 800 miles. You need more than a day to ride that? LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA, AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Steve McCollom [mailto:steven.mccollom@XXXXXX] To: De Boeser, Tom; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! A trip to Daytona on the RSV at my age (55) would be more fun... the first day. :-) Steve 1977 CB750A 2003 CB750 2004 RSV R ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > Somehow doing that on a Nighthawk sounds fun. > > > Tom de > 03 ST1300 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 10:27:55 2006 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:27:46 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > A trip to Daytona on the RSV at my age (55) would be more fun... Wish I was 55 again :-( > the first day. :-) But then you're there -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 10:31:55 2006 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:31:48 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > The trip to Daytona from DC is only 800 miles. You need more than a day to > ride that? S&T 2006 has it at 806 miles from D.C. to Daytona Beach. The first 800 is easy (if boring) That last 6 miles through the stopped traffic with everybody redlining their straight-piped Harleys & clones is the killer. ;-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 11:35:55 2006 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:33:10 -0500 From: "Steve McCollom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! To: "LindaT." , "Dc-Cycles" This trip is supposed to be fun. Fun = no interstates! I retired last month, so I have the time. :-) If the weather forecast is good, I will take the BRP as far as Boone, NC; otherwise I'll stay closer to sea level for the whole trip down. Steve Old Fart, Farting Around ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > The trip to Daytona from DC is only 800 miles. You need more than a day > to > ride that? > > LindaT. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 12:17:19 2006 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:16:21 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO8859-1?Q?Re:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=A0Bike_Week!?= To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: "LindaT." >Date: Thu Feb 09 09:03:14 CST 2006 >To: Dc-Cycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! >The trip to Daytona from DC is only 800 miles. You need more than a day to >ride that? > ..I ride a Harley. I need three days. One day to ride, one day to find a trailer somewhere around NC, and another day to trailer it the rest of the way to Daytona. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 12:40:03 2006 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:39:51 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_RE:_=5Bdc-cycles=5D__Bike_Week!?= No, no, Aki, you've got it wrong. You start out on the trailer, which you ditch in Jax and then ride the rest of the way. At least that's the way the other Harley guys do it. ;-) LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA, AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: adamme@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! >From: "LindaT." >Date: Thu Feb 09 09:03:14 CST 2006 >To: Dc-Cycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! >The trip to Daytona from DC is only 800 miles. You need more than a day to >ride that? > ..I ride a Harley. I need three days. One day to ride, one day to find a trailer somewhere around NC, and another day to trailer it the rest of the way to Daytona. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 13:24:01 2006 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:23:51 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: "LindaT." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! Cc: Dc-Cycles I took a day and a half last time I went. OK, that's the only time I've gone to Daytoner. And that trip will probably suffice for a good long time. I took the VFR, left DC about noon, planning on taking the "scenic" route through the Carolinas, i.e., not 95. It was fine until I hit the SC state line, and the heavy rains came. And the dark. And the cold. By the time I got to Charleston, I bagged it for the night. One of those no-tell motels that lets you park in the breezeway right outside your door. Bike's under cover. (Hey, better treatment than it gets at home!) I draw the line at the skanky places in sketchy neighborhoods where you want to put the bike _inside_ the room. Any way, the second day was great. Clear and warm for the trip down the coast and noodling arond St. Simon's Island, etc. I slabbed around Jax, right into a horrible traffic jam. Musta been all the trailers. Picked up A1A just south of St. Augustine for a beautiful ride along the beach into Daytona. On the return, I left before dawn and slabbed it back, on account having to be at the salt mine bright and early the next day. Absolutely poured all the way across Florida and Georgia. I've never been so happy to see a Waffle House, near Brunswick, Ga. Weather was super-crappy (rain) that year for most of Bike Week. On top of that, I picked up some sort of flu bug. The second day of the trip down was the best part. On 2/9/06, LindaT. wrote: > No, no, Aki, you've got it wrong. You start out on the trailer, which you > ditch in Jax and then ride the rest of the way. At least that's the way the > other Harley guys do it. > > ;-) > > LindaT. .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 13:30:24 2006 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:28:43 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: =?ISO8859-1?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]_=A0RE:_RE:_[dc-cycles]_=A0Bike_Week!?= To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: "LindaT." >Date: Thu Feb 09 11:39:51 CST 2006 >To: Dc-Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! >No, no, Aki, you've got it wrong. You start out on the trailer, which you >ditch in Jax and then ride the rest of the way. At least that's the way the >other Harley guys do it. > >;-) crap! I had it all wrong! Hmm...but if I rolled around in the dirt, it would dirty my ironed jeans with the crease down the center and gawd forbid dirty up my gen-u-wine HD belt buckle with the hidden compartment for my Starbucks coupons. *sigh*..I guess I'm never going to fit in. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 13:52:57 2006 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: [dc-cycles]  Bike Week! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm looking forward to my attempt to get the trailering thing right this year. This will be the third year in a row that I've brought my bike to Daytona on a trailer. The past two years I've had the entire trip down and back to try and work out why I'm driving a van when I've got two perfectly good motorcycles on the trailer. Last year I finally figured it out. So this year, I'll ride the V-Strom to Daytona and trailer the chopper. Big bikes can be useful after all. Linda, will you be at the IBR dinner in JAX? Leon Suzuki V-Strom - the Chevy Suburban of motorcycles. Ninja 250 Chopper - the fastest 250cc hardtail in the east. --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: "LindaT." > >Date: Thu Feb 09 11:39:51 CST 2006 > >To: Dc-Cycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike > Week! > > >No, no, Aki, you've got it wrong. You start out on > the trailer, which you > >ditch in Jax and then ride the rest of the way. At > least that's the way the > >other Harley guys do it. > > > >;-) > > > crap! I had it all wrong! stopping outside > of Jax, roll around in dirt before riding in> > > Hmm...but if I rolled around in the dirt, it would > dirty my > ironed jeans with the crease down the center and > gawd forbid > dirty up my gen-u-wine HD belt buckle with the > hidden compartment > for my Starbucks coupons. > > *sigh*..I guess I'm never going to fit in. > > ;-) > > -aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 14:03:16 2006 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:03:05 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5Bdc-cycles=5D_=A0Bike_Week!?= Hi Leon, Yep, I'll be there. I would love to see your chopper. Woohoo! LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA, AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! I'm looking forward to my attempt to get the trailering thing right this year. This will be the third year in a row that I've brought my bike to Daytona on a trailer. The past two years I've had the entire trip down and back to try and work out why I'm driving a van when I've got two perfectly good motorcycles on the trailer. Last year I finally figured it out. So this year, I'll ride the V-Strom to Daytona and trailer the chopper. Big bikes can be useful after all. Linda, will you be at the IBR dinner in JAX? Leon Suzuki V-Strom - the Chevy Suburban of motorcycles. Ninja 250 Chopper - the fastest 250cc hardtail in the east. --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: "LindaT." > >Date: Thu Feb 09 11:39:51 CST 2006 > >To: Dc-Cycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike > Week! > > >No, no, Aki, you've got it wrong. You start out on > the trailer, which you > >ditch in Jax and then ride the rest of the way. At > least that's the way the > >other Harley guys do it. > > > >;-) > > > crap! I had it all wrong! stopping outside > of Jax, roll around in dirt before riding in> > > Hmm...but if I rolled around in the dirt, it would > dirty my > ironed jeans with the crease down the center and > gawd forbid > dirty up my gen-u-wine HD belt buckle with the > hidden compartment > for my Starbucks coupons. > > *sigh*..I guess I'm never going to fit in. > > ;-) > > -aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 15:06:29 2006 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:13 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > If the weather forecast is good, I will take the BRP as far as Boone, NC; If you hit Boone, be sure to stop in at Jay & Lisa Goddard's (ex-DC-Cycles folks) Honda shop and say hi. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 18:04:29 2006 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: [dc-cycles]  Bike Week! To: "LindaT." , Dc-Cycles See it? I'll have it off the trailer and you can take it for a spin. Around the parking lot is about the right distance for a ride on that bike. --- "LindaT." wrote: > Hi Leon, > > Yep, I'll be there. I would love to see your > chopper. > > Woohoo! > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > West Park, FL > IBA, AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > > > I'm looking forward to my attempt to get the > trailering thing right this year. This will be the > third year in a row that I've brought my bike to > Daytona on a trailer. The past two years I've had > the > entire trip down and back to try and work out why > I'm > driving a van when I've got two perfectly good > motorcycles on the trailer. Last year I finally > figured it out. So this year, I'll ride the V-Strom > to Daytona and trailer the chopper. Big bikes can > be > useful after all. > > Linda, will you be at the IBR dinner in JAX? > > Leon > Suzuki V-Strom - the Chevy Suburban of motorcycles. > Ninja 250 Chopper - the fastest 250cc hardtail in > the > east. > > --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >From: "LindaT." > > >Date: Thu Feb 09 11:39:51 CST 2006 > > >To: Dc-Cycles > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike > > Week! > > > > >No, no, Aki, you've got it wrong. You start out > on > > the trailer, which you > > >ditch in Jax and then ride the rest of the way. > At > > least that's the way the > > >other Harley guys do it. > > > > > >;-) > > > > > > crap! I had it all wrong! > stopping outside > > of Jax, roll around in dirt before riding in> > > > > Hmm...but if I rolled around in the dirt, it would > > dirty my > > ironed jeans with the crease down the center and > > gawd forbid > > dirty up my gen-u-wine HD belt buckle with the > > hidden compartment > > for my Starbucks coupons. > > > > *sigh*..I guess I'm never going to fit in. > > > > ;-) > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 9 21:39:45 2006 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,101,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="1924496178:sNHT5133216458" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:39:30 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! Thanks for the recommendation! However, Michael is correct, be careful to make sure the weather is cooperating before riding here. While I may live in NC, we had a few inches of snow over the weekend and flurries both yesterday and today. While running the dealership is keeping me way too busy along with finishing grad school. I am due to graduate in May and will hopefully have more time to go to these events in the future! Lisa Goddard Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:13 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Week! > If the weather forecast is good, I will take the BRP as far as Boone, NC; If you hit Boone, be sure to stop in at Jay & Lisa Goddard's (ex-DC-Cycles folks) Honda shop and say hi. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 08:12:54 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:12:38 -0500 From: Carl Custer To: SABMAG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: turkeyfreer@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] 1983 VF750F FOR SALE - $600 Contact him, not me. Pictures look great. "Craig Freer [mailto:turkeyfreer@XXXXXX] To: Custer, Carl Subject: Re: 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE - $700 Know anyone who might like this bike for a great deal? Looking to to get $600 for it (had it listed at $800). Had a serious buyer who pulled a no show on pick-up and pay day! Need to move it soon. Thanks! Craig" [Carl]: I'm willing to sniff but I already have two Interceptors: One running (and big-grin-producing) one "project" bike. Feb 1, I posted: 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE - $700 "1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE: Great project or parts bike! Bought with the intention of restoring I just don't have the time. My loss is your gain! Bike has all original body panels, including lower cowl. They will need to be sanded and painted to match. New windscreen and ignition already installed. This is a classic with lots of potential! Clean title ready for transfer! Will entertain all serious offers. Pictures available by email." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 10:47:07 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:46:55 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps were -3c (22 F) with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on jeans, my field sheer mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia vest, thin runners gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and of course the trusty Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! The tires and the road surface were not playing well. I decided that since wind chill increases with speed, I was going to take my time and cruise home at a leisurely 45 miles per hour or so. By the time I hit Georgetown, my hands were packed in. By the time I hit my apartment door at in South Arlington, the nerve endings in my fingers were screaming. I made it. I had to cheat by at one point wrapping my hands around the undertail and gaining some heat from the undertail exhaust. I think this was the third coldest my hands have ever been on a bike and I have decided that this will be my temperature limit to ride for more than twenty minutes. I had an emergency plan in my head of various stops I could have made if I really needed to warm the hands up. I wonder why the pads of the fingers get colder than the outside. Is it because of contact with the icy cold clutch and brake levers? Bummed to hear we are expecting some serious snow! So if you have read this far, I have a totally unrelated question. I was perusing my favorite literature before passing out and I saw an ad for the Escort X 80..some do-it-all; radar slash laser detector. Has anyone on the list anecdotally heard of the efficacy of these devices or are they just another scam central? Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 10:59:21 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've heard you can't beat a Valentine 1 radar detector (the former CEO of the Escort company, which used to be called Cincinnati Microwave) now has his own company. But it sounds to me you need some electrics. May I suggest: http://www.gerbing.com/ Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps > were -3c (22 F) > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on > jeans, my field sheer > mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia > vest, thin runners > gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and > of course the trusty > Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! The tires and the > road surface were not > playing well. I decided that since wind chill > increases with speed, I > was going to take my time and cruise home at a > leisurely 45 miles per > hour or so. By the time I hit Georgetown, my hands > were packed in. By > the time I hit my apartment door at in South > Arlington, the nerve > endings in my fingers were screaming. I made it. I > had to cheat by at > one point wrapping my hands around the undertail and > gaining some heat > from the undertail exhaust. I think this was the > third coldest my hands > have ever been on a bike and I have decided that > this will be my > temperature limit to ride for more than twenty > minutes. I had an > emergency plan in my head of various stops I could > have made if I really > needed to warm the hands up. I wonder why the pads > of the fingers get > colder than the outside. Is it because of contact > with the icy cold > clutch and brake levers? > > Bummed to hear we are expecting some serious snow! > > So if you have read this far, I have a totally > unrelated question. I was > perusing my favorite literature before passing out > and I saw an ad for > the Escort X 80..some do-it-all; radar slash laser > detector. Has anyone > on the list anecdotally heard of the efficacy of > these devices or are > they just another scam central? > > > > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 11:36:01 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:35:48 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX sounds to me like you need a car. :) I can't recall if you have one? It doesn't make sense to wear good riding gear to maintain your good health, only to skimp on cold weather gear, catch pnemonia and be in ill health or die. Why buy pretty good quality gear, only for one aspect of riding. You wont' regret buying a heated vest, buy one. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 11:51:06 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:50:54 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Danny Motorcycle" Cc: I wasn't complaining about my gear or the conditions except for my hands. The old back is acting up so my heavy Vanson leather is off limits for now. My light Fieldsheer combined with a sweater and vest underneath does the trick. I was sent a link to heated grips and am checking those out. Another guy that bartends and rides just got them installed and he loved them until he left them on and could not get home one night at 3AM. I will send you guys the link I found to a very unique pair of gloves when I dig it up. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. sounds to me like you need a car. :) I can't recall if you have one? It doesn't make sense to wear good riding gear to maintain your good health, only to skimp on cold weather gear, catch pnemonia and be in ill health or die. Why buy pretty good quality gear, only for one aspect of riding. You wont' regret buying a heated vest, buy one. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 12:29:23 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:27:40 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Cc: At 2/10/2006 11:50 AM, Julian Halton wrote: >My light Fieldsheer combined with a sweater and vest >underneath does the trick. I was sent a link to heated grips and am >checking those out. Another guy that bartends and rides just got them >installed and he loved them until he left them on and could not get >home one night at 3AM. Coldest I've ridden in so far was about 26 degrees, but I've been out a number of times when it was in the 30s. I usually wear a full face helmet, T-shirt, leather vest, and Harley FXRG leather jacket (if it's really cold I swap (or add) a sweatshirt for the T-shirt), long johns, jeans and FXRG leather pants, Sidhe boots and hunting socks with sock liners, and gloves. If it's cold enough for all that, I use my Harley (made by Gerbing for H-D) heated gloves, and if it's below 35 I turn on the electricity (they have enough insulation to be warm enough without it above that). That setup is good for at least an hour of riding before I start feeling any chill...and that's in the feet (I'm looking at getting heated socks to eliminate that problem). I haven't seen any need yet for heated pants or vest or jacket or heated grips or seat. YMMV. I like the layered setup better than all electric, like some folks I know use, since I'm still warm when we stop, while they start freezing as soon as they unplug, and if the bike ever breaks down I'd rather be warm while waiting for a tow. I'm also better protected in a fall than they are, and it seems more likely to go down in winter than in summer, what with sand, ice and huge potholes being more common in the winter. On the other hand, when we reach a destination and go inside somewhere, like a restaurant, they are often more comfortable, and the extra bulk makes doing things like looking back for lane changes, or just getting onto the bike, more effort. There are always tradeoffs, depending on what sort of riding you like to do, but that setup works for me with the sort of recreational riding I do. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 13:35:25 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:04 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In addition to the other things that were mentioned, hand guards will keep the wind off and hands will be much warmer. I haven't had to wear electric gloves or my heavy pair of mittens yet this season. I also bought a snowmachine suit to use instead of my Aerostich RoadCrafter in cold weather. What a difference! The RoadCrafter has the $300 Thinsulate option, but it's not nearly as warm as the $100 snow suit. The snowsuit is much harder to don and doff; I have to remove my boots to get my feet through the legs, but it's much warmer. With the proper gear under it, I could probably do without electrics down to about 20F. Heading up to New York tomorrow. This weekend is the 88th Annual Crotona Midnight Run. (http://www.ramapomc.org/88th Annual CMR.pdf) It's been called off because of snow a couple of times, but it doesn't look like there will be enough snow to stop it this year. If you see a yellow V-Strom rolling north in the wee hours of tomorrow morning, wave. I hope to depart around 4AM or so. Leon. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps > were -3c (22 F) > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on > jeans, my field sheer > mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia > vest, thin runners > gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and > of course the trusty > Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 13:56:13 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Cold weather riding All those suggestions are great. SInce i ride unless there's ice or snow, I tend to do a lot of cold weather riding. Just ask Long John on the list. I usually don't break out the long underwear until it gets to be in the 20s. I go for the layered deal more than the electrics but I also don't care about whether i look like a stay puff or not. As far as gloves go the only thing I've ever used are a set of regular gauntlet style gloves with snowboard mitts over them in the cold. I'm also somewhat cheap when it comes to buying new things, not on gear mind you but if I've got something usable already I go for that first before coughing up more money. One last thing, since we're comparing coldest temps ridden in I believe that last years 13F day was the coldest I've been out in yet. Oh and other news does anyone have a friend or relative in town from PA who came to see a show at Arena Stage last night and ride a R6? I didn't get a chance to stop and say hi to them on the street since I was more interested in getting home and to my bed. Oh and one other I saw you/I rode with you into DC. Does anyone on the list ride what looks to be a Triumph Speed Triple and where a bright Orange helmet during the morning commute? I rode in, sort of, with you the other day on 395N. Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 14:14:38 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:13 -0500 To: Ian Schmidt , DCcycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold weather riding At 2/10/2006 01:56 PM, Ian Schmidt wrote: >I go for the layered deal more >than the electrics but I also don't care about whether >i look like a stay puff or not. You don't have to look too puffy to be layered. Here's a pic of me the weekend after New Year's Day at High Top up north of Frederick. I'm wearing all the stuff I described: http://www.mchog.com/PhotoGallery/2006Pictures/06JanPickUpRide/06JanPickUp06.jpg I think the temp in Rockville was about 42 that day, and a bit colder (a few degrees) up in the mountains. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 14:46:27 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:46:15 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Leon Begeman" , Check these out: http://cozywinters.com/shop/zs-hgx.html Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. In addition to the other things that were mentioned, hand guards will keep the wind off and hands will be much warmer. I haven't had to wear electric gloves or my heavy pair of mittens yet this season. I also bought a snowmachine suit to use instead of my Aerostich RoadCrafter in cold weather. What a difference! The RoadCrafter has the $300 Thinsulate option, but it's not nearly as warm as the $100 snow suit. The snowsuit is much harder to don and doff; I have to remove my boots to get my feet through the legs, but it's much warmer. With the proper gear under it, I could probably do without electrics down to about 20F. Heading up to New York tomorrow. This weekend is the 88th Annual Crotona Midnight Run. (http://www.ramapomc.org/88th Annual CMR.pdf) It's been called off because of snow a couple of times, but it doesn't look like there will be enough snow to stop it this year. If you see a yellow V-Strom rolling north in the wee hours of tomorrow morning, wave. I hope to depart around 4AM or so. Leon. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps were -3c (22 F) > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on jeans, my field > sheer mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia vest, thin > runners gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and of course > the trusty Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 16:13:34 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:13:18 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I can put up with a lot of fiddling with wires for the extra $100 that those gloves cost. http://www.gerbing.com http://www.widder.com Leon. --- Julian Halton wrote: > Check these out: > http://cozywinters.com/shop/zs-hgx.html > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:35 PM > To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a > question. > > In addition to the other things that were mentioned, > hand guards will > keep the wind off and hands will be much warmer. I > haven't had to wear > electric gloves or my heavy pair of mittens yet this > season. > > I also bought a snowmachine suit to use instead of > my Aerostich > RoadCrafter in cold weather. What a difference! > The RoadCrafter has > the $300 Thinsulate option, but it's not nearly as > warm as the $100 snow > suit. The snowsuit is much harder to don and doff; > I have to remove my > boots to get my feet through the legs, but it's much > warmer. With the > proper gear under it, I could probably do without > electrics down to > about 20F. > > Heading up to New York tomorrow. This weekend is > the 88th Annual > Crotona Midnight Run. > (http://www.ramapomc.org/88th Annual CMR.pdf) It's > been called off > because of snow a couple of times, but it doesn't > look like there will > be enough snow to stop it this year. If you see a > yellow V-Strom > rolling north in the wee hours of tomorrow morning, > wave. I hope to > depart around 4AM or so. > > Leon. > > --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > > > > > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. > Temps were -3c (22 F) > > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on > jeans, my field > > sheer mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a > Patagonia vest, thin > > runners gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing > gloves and of course > > the trusty Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 17:38:07 2006 From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 1983 VF750F FOR SALE - $600 To: Carl Custer , SABMAG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: turkeyfreer@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:37:43 -0500 Listing has expired. Do you have other info? On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:12:38 -0500 Carl Custer wrote: > Contact him, not me. > Pictures look great. > > "Craig Freer [mailto:turkeyfreer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:26 PM > To: Custer, Carl > Subject: Re: 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE - > $700 > > Know anyone who might like this bike for a great deal? > Looking to to > get $600 for it (had it listed at $800). Had a serious > buyer who > pulled a no show on pick-up and pay day! Need to move it > soon. > > Thanks! > Craig" > > [Carl]: > I'm willing to sniff but I already have two Interceptors: > One running (and big-grin-producing) one "project" bike. > > Feb 1, I posted: > 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE - $700 > > > "1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE: Great project or > parts bike! > Bought with the intention of restoring I just don't have > the time. My > loss is your gain! Bike has all original body panels, > including lower > cowl. They will need to be sanded and painted to match. > New windscreen > and ignition already installed. This is a classic with > lots of > potential! Clean title ready for transfer! Will entertain > all serious > offers. Pictures available by email." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 19:25:39 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:23 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. > Check these out: http://cozywinters.com/shop/zs-hgx.html Don't crash -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 10 22:00:42 2006 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:00:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Local welder? I am need of some welding to fab an aluminum undertail/battery box for a Hawk. Anyone know of someone local that does that stuff? A picture of what I am going for is here http://www.hawkgt.com/photoalbum/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=10116&pos=7 and here http://www.hawkgt.com/photoalbum/displayimage.php?album=198&pos=8 sory for the long URL's when I tried to send links through yahoo it bounced back to me. - I need to create the box that is seen inside the sub-frame rails and a few misc. tabs for tank/seat/taillight mounting. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 11 11:45:38 2006 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:45:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride....and a question. Leon Begeman wrote: >I also bought a snowmachine suit to use instead of my >Aerostich RoadCrafter in cold weather. What a >difference! > I wondered what you were wearing the other day when I saw you riding the other way! That explains it... I've only ridden once or twice since the Polar Bear Ride on New Year's day. I must be ill or something - that or my truck is just too comfy. :) Hork -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 11 14:46:20 2006 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold weather riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > we're comparing coldest temps ridden in I believe that > last years 13F day was the coldest I've been out bah! 2F so far. My Gerbings on full still had my fingers going numb on 1hr+ rides at 50+mph in <25F temps with fingers wagging in the wind. I can't do a controlled study but so far my SV with DL650 guards on it has been good for 45min in <35F and JR's heaviest winter glove sans electrical heat. I have a spare 'Troller and grip heating elements. guess I'll do that next. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 11 21:42:46 2006 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: ArmadilloFZ1 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold weather riding To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i can only assume you had the yellow sv at ECMS last week. i have the same hand guards on my FZ1. for real cold try the hippo hands. with the heated grips i'm good in thin summer gloves. --- matthew patton wrote: > > we're comparing coldest temps ridden in I believe > that > > last years 13F day was the coldest I've been out > > bah! 2F so far. My Gerbings on full still had my > fingers going numb on > 1hr+ rides at 50+mph in <25F temps with fingers > wagging in the wind. I > can't do a controlled study but so far my SV with > DL650 guards on it > has been good for 45min in <35F and JR's heaviest > winter glove sans > electrical heat. I have a spare 'Troller and grip > heating elements. > guess I'll do that next. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -= Hannibal Ad Portus=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 11 23:22:24 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:21:59 EST Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cold weather riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 2/10/2006 1:56:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, schmidtys311@XXXXXX writes: > Just ask Long John Ian is a steely eyed all weather rider who can keep up with me weather wise (and likely beat my ass in the twisties) And he is a relative newbie. He will truly be one hell of a rider with a couple of years under his belt. John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 12 14:21:39 2006 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:21:16 -0500 From: "John M. Stafford" To: 2-Stroke Smoke Mailing List <2StrokeSmoke@XXXXXX>, Saints SC Mailing List , DC-MD-PA-VA Scooters Mailing List , Big Bacon Breakfast Scooter Club Mailing List , Hostile City Mailing List , 3 Mile Island Scooter Club Mailing List <3MileIslandScooterClub@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles Mailing List , Lake Erie Scooters Mailing List Subject: [dc-cycles] Would that we had commercials like this in the USA... http://www.ruiner.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/howclose.mpg Enjoy, John M. Stafford From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 13 00:27:53 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:27:33 -0000 From: "John M. Stafford" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.48.129.111 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Cold Ride....and a question. Do you need a radar detector for Bethesda to Arlington? The Park Police simple don't have enough manpower to put speed traps on the GW Parkway. It's too unsafe to appreciably speed on Wisconsin Ave, because if an idiot turning in front of you doesn't get you, a pothole will. And while there are three speed traps on my favorite route (Arlington Rd, Little Falls Pkwy, Mass Ave, Dalecarlia Pkwy, MacArthur Blvd, Foxhall, Canal, Whitehurst Frwy, Roosevelt Bridge) it is well known that cops park at MacArthur at Cathedral, MacArthur at Ashby, and that there is a Gatso camera on MacArthur east of Reservoir. Plus a radar detector isn't all it's cracked up to be. Besides mere possession being a felony in D.C. and Virginia, with a competent cop they just don't work. If you drive with your eyes open you should be able to see any police officer about 500 ft. before you get into radar range. Rarely do officers clock everyone. They watch everyone with their owns eyes, radar off, waiting until they see a vehicle that appears to be going 12/17/20+ (or whatever the local tag amount is) mph over the speed limit then they flip the switch when the vehicle is close to confirm what their eyeballs have already told them. By the time your detector beeps you've been tagged. If you'd been visually scanning the road ahead, you'd have seen the officer when he saw you and known to slow down before you got into range. A laser detector is worthless because it can only see the beam at the same moment you're being tagged. And the real killer is moving radar, where an officer is heading towards you and tags you as you approach. "You clocked me how?" As for the cold, I've never owned a bike with a utility plug for a vest. But on February 26, 1993 I rode with my brother on the back from Alexandria to New York City on my Yamaha. The high temp that day was 29ºF (-2ºC), the low was 25ºF (-4ºC). We were layered up as much as a couple of dumb kids could be (thermals, jeans, sweats, wool socks, boots, 4 shirts, 3 jackets, sweater, and scarf, and muffs on the handlebars). Well, while those temps are nothing for a cross-town journey they are a killer over 250 miles. I rode the first leg as far as Maryland House until I had to spend a half-hour acquainting myself with the heated hand dryers. We then split the riding, trading off at every rest area. Thankfully the temps rose above freezing for the ride home. That next winter I invested in two things, a truck, and a pair of gloves that use a "D" cell to run a heating element. Enjoy, John M. Stafford --- In dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Julian Halton" wrote: > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps were -3c (22 F) > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on jeans, my field sheer > mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia vest, thin runners > gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and of course the trusty > Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! The tires and the road surface were not > playing well. I decided that since wind chill increases with speed, I > was going to take my time and cruise home at a leisurely 45 miles per > hour or so. By the time I hit Georgetown, my hands were packed in. By > the time I hit my apartment door at in South Arlington, the nerve > endings in my fingers were screaming. I made it. I had to cheat by at > one point wrapping my hands around the undertail and gaining some heat > from the undertail exhaust. I think this was the third coldest my hands > have ever been on a bike and I have decided that this will be my > temperature limit to ride for more than twenty minutes. I had an > emergency plan in my head of various stops I could have made if I really > needed to warm the hands up. I wonder why the pads of the fingers get > colder than the outside. Is it because of contact with the icy cold > clutch and brake levers? > > So if you have read this far, I have a totally unrelated question. I was > perusing my favorite literature before passing out and I saw an ad for > the Escort X 80..some do-it-all; radar slash laser detector. Has anyone > on the list anecdotally heard of the efficacy of these devices or are > they just another scam central? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 13 05:29:08 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:28:53 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Cold Ride....and a question. Cc: "John M. Stafford" John writes: > Plus a radar detector isn't all it's cracked up to be. Besides mere possession being a felony in D.C. and Virginia. . . While I agree with most of what John says, let me correct his assertion that possession of a radar detector is a felony. While it is illegal, violation of the ban on radar detectors carries relatively little penalty and is not a felony, at least in Virginia. VIRGINIA In Virginia, using a radar detector is a civil infraction (like speeding) AND no points are given for violating the statute. Contrary to rumors I've heard, the police have no right to keep your radar detector. I believe the fine is currently under $100. Also, I think there's a pretty large loophole in the statute, if someone wanted to challenge it. (Hint, it's in Part A, below and involves FCC recognition of the "Safety Warning System" radar band.) The upshot of all of this is I run a radar detector in Virginia, especially in light of the draconian enfocement of Virginia's "reckless driving" statute. In fact, as a result of that statute, and the jail sentences being handed down for first-time violations, I never drive 80 mph or above in the Commonwealth (so I suppose it's working, eh?). Statute text: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1079 § 46.2-1079. Radar detectors; demerit points not to be awarded. A. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth when such vehicle is equipped with any device or mechanism, passive or active, to detect or purposefully interfere with or diminish the measurement capabilities of any radar, laser, or other device or mechanism employed by law-enforcement personnel to measure the speed of motor vehicles on the highways of the Commonwealth for law-enforcement purposes. It shall be unlawful to use any such device or mechanism on any such motor vehicle on the highways. It shall be unlawful to sell any such device or mechanism in the Commonwealth. However, provisions of this section shall not apply to any receiver of radio waves utilized for lawful purposes to receive any signal from a frequency lawfully licensed by any state or federal agency. This section shall not be construed to authorize the forfeiture to the Commonwealth of any such device or mechanism. Any such device or mechanism may be taken by the arresting officer if needed as evidence, and, when no longer needed, shall be returned to the person charged with a violation of this section, or at that person's request, and his expense, mailed to an address specified by him. Any unclaimed devices may be destroyed on court order after six months have elapsed from the final date for filing an appeal. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, the presence of any such prohibited device or mechanism in or on a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth shall constitute prima facie evidence of the violation of this section. The Commonwealth need not prove that the device or mechanism in question was in an operative condition or being operated. B. A person shall not be guilty of a violation of this section when the device or mechanism in question, at the time of the alleged offense, had no power source and was not readily accessible for use by the driver or any passenger in the vehicle. * * * D. No demerit points shall be awarded by the Commissioner for violations of this section. Any demerit points awarded by the Commissioner prior to July 1, 1992, for any violation of this section shall be rescinded and the driving record of any person awarded demerit points for a violation of this section shall be amended to reflect such rescission. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA As for DC... well, I couldn't find any regulation prohibiting radar detectors in DC online, including through the legal search service Westlaw. That does not mean that one doesn't exist. There are a number of regulations in DC that exist only in paper form. I did find a case from 25 years ago upholding DC's ban on radar detectors and citing "D.C.Pol.Reg.: Art. 25, s 16" which provides "No person shall, in the District of Columbia, sell or offer for sale, or use or have in his possession in a motor vehicle, any device designed to detect or counteract police radar." It doesn't specify whether a violation would be a felony. (It is frustrating to be a resident in a city where the laws -- and the processes to change them -- are unclear and inaccessible.) None of the above is legal advice. Consult a lawyer licensed in your jurisdiction before making any decisions... Aaron 2003 BMW R1150GS 2005 Stella From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 13 07:29:49 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:43:01 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Radar detectors (was Re: [dc-cycles] Cold Ride...) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, John M. Stafford wrote: > Plus a radar detector isn't all it's cracked up to be. Besides mere possession being a felony > in D.C. and Virginia, with a competent cop they just don't work. If you drive with your eyes > open you should be able to see any police officer about 500 ft. before you get into radar > range. Rarely do officers clock everyone. They watch everyone with their owns eyes, radar > off, waiting until they see a vehicle that appears to be going 12/17/20+ (or whatever the > local tag amount is) mph over the speed limit then they flip the switch when the vehicle is > close to confirm what their eyeballs have already told them. By the time your detector > beeps you've been tagged. If you'd been visually scanning the road ahead, you'd have seen > the officer when he saw you and known to slow down before you got into range. > > A laser detector is worthless because it can only see the beam at the same moment you're > being tagged. I look at a radar detector as another tool in my arsenal for avoiding tickets. Yes, awareness gets you there 90% of the time, but having that extra tool can really help. I have some pretty fast hardware in my garage and I regularly exceeed the speed limit on 2 and 4 wheels. I try to pick my opportunities, but I have been known to just wick it up a little on the interstate (nothing insane, but certainly reckless to VA cops). I have a clean driving record. Is it because of my V1? Not entirely, but it certainly plays a part. My point - I think a good radar detector is worth the money :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 13 08:42:15 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Re: Cold Ride....and a question. Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:42:02 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "John M. Stafford" , That's my route as well...and really I was just wondering about the technology and how effective it was...Taking the route four nights a week just as an FYI...there is a stationary car on Loughboro just before Dalecarlia..pointing either way depending on the mood of the enforcers that day. There are occasionally traps on Dalecarlia and also that first right off Little Falls Road just before you turn onto Arlington...the name escapes my benumbed mind this morning. My curiosity was about the technology. I have only ever had one performance award on my trike, and that was in my first two weeks of riding in good 'ol Arlington...... A skinny member of the ticket writing tribe whose last name is a synonym for rock, pulled me over in mid-January. I accelerated a little to hard on North Glebe Road and he nailed me from the MT. Olivet parking lot. Despite being a two-wheeler himself, he gave me the full Monty for 13 above. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: notify@XXXXXX [mailto:notify@XXXXXX] On Behalf Of John M. Stafford To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Cold Ride....and a question. Do you need a radar detector for Bethesda to Arlington? The Park Police simple don't have enough manpower to put speed traps on the GW Parkway. It's too unsafe to appreciably speed on Wisconsin Ave, because if an idiot turning in front of you doesn't get you, a pothole will. And while there are three speed traps on my favorite route (Arlington Rd, Little Falls Pkwy, Mass Ave, Dalecarlia Pkwy, MacArthur Blvd, Foxhall, Canal, Whitehurst Frwy, Roosevelt Bridge) it is well known that cops park at MacArthur at Cathedral, MacArthur at Ashby, and that there is a Gatso camera on MacArthur east of Reservoir. Plus a radar detector isn't all it's cracked up to be. Besides mere possession being a felony in D.C. and Virginia, with a competent cop they just don't work. If you drive with your eyes open you should be able to see any police officer about 500 ft. before you get into radar range. Rarely do officers clock everyone. They watch everyone with their owns eyes, radar off, waiting until they see a vehicle that appears to be going 12/17/20+ (or whatever the local tag amount is) mph over the speed limit then they flip the switch when the vehicle is close to confirm what their eyeballs have already told them. By the time your detector beeps you've been tagged. If you'd been visually scanning the road ahead, you'd have seen the officer when he saw you and known to slow down before you got into range. A laser detector is worthless because it can only see the beam at the same moment you're being tagged. And the real killer is moving radar, where an officer is heading towards you and tags you as you approach. "You clocked me how?" As for the cold, I've never owned a bike with a utility plug for a vest. But on February 26, 1993 I rode with my brother on the back from Alexandria to New York City on my Yamaha. The high temp that day was 29ºF (-2ºC), the low was 25ºF (-4ºC). We were layered up as much as a couple of dumb kids could be (thermals, jeans, sweats, wool socks, boots, 4 shirts, 3 jackets, sweater, and scarf, and muffs on the handlebars). Well, while those temps are nothing for a cross-town journey they are a killer over 250 miles. I rode the first leg as far as Maryland House until I had to spend a half-hour acquainting myself with the heated hand dryers. We then split the riding, trading off at every rest area. Thankfully the temps rose above freezing for the ride home. That next winter I invested in two things, a truck, and a pair of gloves that use a "D" cell to run a heating element. Enjoy, John M. Stafford --- In dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Julian Halton" wrote: > I rode last night from Bethesda to Arlington. Temps were -3c (22 F) > with wind chill taking this down to -7c. I had on jeans, my field > sheer mesh summer weight jacket with liner, a Patagonia vest, thin > runners gloves inserted into Held Galaxy racing gloves and of course > the trusty Shoei X-II. Talk about brisk! The tires and the road > surface were not playing well. I decided that since wind chill > increases with speed, I was going to take my time and cruise home at a > leisurely 45 miles per hour or so. By the time I hit Georgetown, my > hands were packed in. By the time I hit my apartment door at in South > Arlington, the nerve endings in my fingers were screaming. I made it. > I had to cheat by at one point wrapping my hands around the undertail > and gaining some heat from the undertail exhaust. I think this was the > third coldest my hands have ever been on a bike and I have decided > that this will be my temperature limit to ride for more than twenty > minutes. I had an emergency plan in my head of various stops I could > have made if I really needed to warm the hands up. I wonder why the > pads of the fingers get colder than the outside. Is it because of > contact with the icy cold clutch and brake levers? > > So if you have read this far, I have a totally unrelated question. I > was perusing my favorite literature before passing out and I saw an ad > for the Escort X 80..some do-it-all; radar slash laser detector. Has > anyone on the list anecdotally heard of the efficacy of these devices > or are they just another scam central? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 13 11:02:34 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:00:25 -0500 From: skip To: Jonathan Broga , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Local welder? protype industries in sterling VA does aluminum welding. unsure of their prices. http://www.pro-type.com/sheet_metal.htm --skip Jonathan Broga wrote: > > I am need of some welding to fab an aluminum > undertail/battery box for a Hawk. Anyone know of > someone local that does that stuff? A picture of what > I am going for is here > http://www.hawkgt.com/photoalbum/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=10116&pos=7 > > and here > > http://www.hawkgt.com/photoalbum/displayimage.php?album=198&pos=8 > > sory for the long URL's when I tried to send links > through yahoo it bounced back to me. > > - I need to create the box that is seen > inside the sub-frame rails and a few misc. tabs for > tank/seat/taillight mounting. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 13 12:41:53 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:41:43 -0500 From: Carl Custer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, scooteristi@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Would that we had commercials like this in the USA... Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:21:16 -0500 "John M. Stafford" opined, "Would that we had commercials like this in the USA..." Excellent suggestion. How about sending that to your State representatives and recommending that they implements something like that? You're just singing to the choir here. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 13 17:14:05 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:13:36 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] How Nascar checks lungs A moderately definitive piece on state of the art engine breathing/carb tests. Weather Made to Order for Nascar's Engine Tests http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/13/automobiles/13CARS.html?_r=1&oref=slogin Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Whatever happened to vacuum gages? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 14 09:06:07 2006 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:05:52 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Happy Valentines Day Please don't ever find yourself in this situation: http://media.kladblog.com/media/200602/boogie.wmv Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 14 09:40:29 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:40:21 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] D'oh! Bike/car tango caught on tape! Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aIasXHYDAk Forum discussion - http://socalsportbikes.info/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=34948 Brilliant driving on the part of the Civic driver . . . - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 14 16:43:25 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:43:10 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] New R6 DOESN'T rev to 17.5k RPM - Yamaha offers to buy 'em back! http://superbikeplanet.com/2006/Feb/060214d1.htm D'oh. I bet there's a couple of Yamaha marketing types whose heads are/will be rolling into a basket . . - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 14 20:39:28 2006 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New R6 DOESN'T rev to 17.5k RPM - Yamaha offers to buy 'em back! To: dccycles This has been a major topic on the R6 boards that I'm on but not one that anyone has taken advantage. Afterall, if you're buying the bike for that reason alone then you really only want the motor. most of that high RPM is probably over rev. There's more to a bike than a 17.5 RPM red line. Maybe to a racer it's important but even those on the R6 boards have said that wasn't a major reason for buying the bike. just my thoughts on the redline. I love the bike design overall though. Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 15 20:01:11 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:00:57 -0500 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New R6 DOESN'T rev to 17.5k RPM - Yamaha offers to buy 'em back! Cc: dccycles They only offer to buy them back because they know they don't want to return them. LOL. Good call. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Feb 16 17:10:06 2006 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:09:48 -0500 From: Carl Custer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Craig Freer Cc: Freer.Craig@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] 1983 Honda Interceptor Pictures look good. The early 'Ceptors are fun and comfy bikes -- but -- I have two 'Ceptors already (plus three other bikes) . Contact him not me (unless you want advice) Craig Freer ; Freer.Craig@XXXXXX Craigslist ad: 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F FOR SALE: Great project or parts bike! Bought with the intention of restoring I just don't have the time. My loss is your gain! Bike has all original body panels, including lower cowl. They will need to be sanded and painted to match. New windscreen and ignition already installed. This is a classic with lots of potential! Clean title ready for transfer! Must move soon!!! Will entertain all serious offers. Pictures available by email. Here is the deal, I need to move this bike soon - I would love to sell it this weekend. As a result I'm willing to take less than the $700 original asking price, make me an offer. If you are still interested please let me know - I'll be available on Saturday to meet and make a deal. I can be reached at 202-365-4567. Thanks! Craig Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 17 13:38:17 2006 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:37:54 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] D'oh! Bike/car tango caught on tape! Forward-facing video - a good thing to have running! Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Sean Jordan" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:40:21 -0500 > >Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aIasXHYDAk > >Forum discussion - http://socalsportbikes.info/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=34948 > >Brilliant driving on the part of the Civic driver . . . > >- Sean Jordan > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 17 14:00:30 2006 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:00:39 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] new bars on SV This summer I bought a couple of different bars for my SV650. One set I gave to Matt Patton because they didn't look to be the style I liked. The other set has sat on my workbench until today, when I took a day off to do a bit of maintenance. The new bars are a few inches wider because the stockers just didn't fit my frame. Unfortunately, the cables don't quite have enough slack to get controls back into the optimum position. They are workable, just not perfect. Then I broke a bolt tightening the clutch assembly. Looks to be fun to drill out this afternoon. Finally, a little spring popped out of the choke assembly and I can't figure out where it goes. I'm diving into the shop manuals now. The moral of this story is that even a simple bit of work can turn into an all day affair if you aren't careful. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Feb 17 14:08:04 2006 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:07:45 -0500 From: skip To: mike@XXXXXX CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] new bars on SV and sometimes, even if you are. Mike Troutman wrote: > > This summer I bought a couple of different bars for my SV650. One set I > gave to Matt Patton because they didn't look to be the style I liked. > The other set has sat on my workbench until today, when I took a day off > to do a bit of maintenance. The new bars are a few inches wider because > the stockers just didn't fit my frame. Unfortunately, the cables don't > quite have enough slack to get controls back into the optimum position. > They are workable, just not perfect. Then I broke a bolt tightening the > clutch assembly. Looks to be fun to drill out this afternoon. Finally, > a little spring popped out of the choke assembly and I can't figure out > where it goes. I'm diving into the shop manuals now. > > The moral of this story is that even a simple bit of work can turn into > an all day affair if you aren't careful. > > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 21 09:23:13 2006 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:22:53 -0500 From: David Blumgart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Titling a 'salvage' bike in MD? There's an R1100R on the 'Bay - which I need to buy like I need a pregnant teenaged girlfriend - but nonetheless has me intrigued. The listing says it has a NY 'repairable salvage title.' That's got me wondering: what would be the potential problems trying to register that bike in Maryland? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 21 12:32:54 2006 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "David Blumgart" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Titling a 'salvage' bike in MD? Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:32:33 -0500 I would stay away from that one. To get it titled & registered in MD, I think you'll need to; 1) get it repaired 2) get it inspected by NY state official which takes like an year from what I've heard. 3) get 'rebuilt / reconstructed' title in NY 4) title/register in MD OR buy it cheap, turn it in to track 'only' bike. I recently got a pretty cheap salvage titled 2005 GSX-R600 from upstate NY as a race bike for this season. --------------------- Shigeru Honda ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Blumgart" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Titling a 'salvage' bike in MD? > There's an R1100R on the 'Bay - which I need to buy like I need a > pregnant teenaged girlfriend - but nonetheless has me intrigued. The > listing says it has a NY 'repairable salvage title.' That's got me > wondering: what would be the potential problems trying to register that > bike in Maryland? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 21 14:30:51 2006 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:30:31 -0500 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Shigeru Honda" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Titling a 'salvage' bike in MD? Cc: "David Blumgart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Are you sure? I would contact the maryland mva salvage inspection division in glen burnie. You may only need to show them the bike. Let them inspect the vin and engine numbers. Let the sign off on the title as nspected, then go to mva and get tags and title. I have taken an out of state salvage title through them before.. but I do not know about NY laws specifcally, so I refer you to the maryland MVA for the official word. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 21 21:28:19 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:27:59 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Bikers ride hundreds of miles to support families. Politics and religion included but this is a neat story about bikers. _http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060221131509990006&ncid=NW S00010000000001_ (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060221131509990006&ncid=NWS00010000000001) If someone else has posted this already I apologize I have not had time to read today’s E-mail. John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 10:41:00 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:39:25 -0500 From: skip To: David Blumgart , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Titling a 'salvage' bike in MD? David Blumgart wrote: > > There's an R1100R on the 'Bay - which I need to buy like I need a > pregnant teenaged girlfriend - but nonetheless has me intrigued. The > listing says it has a NY 'repairable salvage title.' That's got me > wondering: what would be the potential problems trying to register that > bike in Maryland? here's the answer I got from MVA Dear MVA Customer, Thank you for your recent email inquiry. The answer to your question is as follows. If it is a NY Salvage TITLE, you will just bring the signed over title, lien release if applicable, bill of sale, MD inspection certificate and MD insurance information along with the attached VR-5 form. If you need a temp tag to have the inspection done, also bring the VR-129 attached. After the inspection, bring the inspection certificate, your temp registration and the attached VR-8 form back to MVA for your 2 year sticker. Fee will depend on type and weight of vehicle. If you have a NY Salvage CERTIFICATE, you must get the vehicle to a salvage inspector at a state police barracks or the garage at Glen Burnie MVA office to have it salvage inspected. When this is done, you will bring that signed Salvage Certificate and the above info. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 10:51:37 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:51:08 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride in this morning - tidbits I ended up in Germantown last night, somewhere off Exit 13b...what a yucky commute. I started this morning in the rain and arrived to dear old Arlington as the snow fell. Lessons I learned. The manufacturers book is not always the bible. I have been running my tire pressures at 32 (rear) and 32 (front). Yesterday I jacked them up to factory recommended 36 (r) and 36 (front)...what a bumpy, un-feeling ride. For those interested the 2005 Moto GP review ( ordered from www.sportsflicks.com ) is 3 hours of the season highlights. Some spectacular footage. The only things that "fault" this DVD are the stupid and incessant animated cut scenes with a disembodied female voice asking.."Are you ready, boots?" and of course the fact that you get only the highlights of each race. Great purchase. Also coughed up for Sport Riding Techniques by Nick Ienatsch. This is more of an all around review for good riding habits in the street and I was very glad to read it, because it reminded me of a lot of the behaviors that minimize risk while street riding. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 11:14:26 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:13:29 -0500 From: kellcj@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 Hi folks, I'm in the Tyson's Corner Va area, and selling my VTX. It's a 2003 that I bought brand new in 2005, and has only 3XXXK miles on it. Color is Titanium Silver. I've set price of $7,200 on it. It is in original factory configuration. No accessories or modifications done. E-mail me if you want pixes, and are interested. Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 11:18:09 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:17:02 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow. Over 3,000,000 miles in less than one year! On 2/22/06, kellcj@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > I'm in the Tyson's Corner Va area, and selling my VTX. It's a 2003 > that I > bought brand new in 2005, and has only 3XXXK miles on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 11:19:30 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That thing must be on the road all the time with 3 million miles on it! Glenn --- kellcj@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > I'm in the Tyson's Corner Va area, and selling my > VTX. It's a 2003 > that I > bought brand new in 2005, and has only 3XXXK miles > on it. Color is > Titanium > Silver. I've set price of $7,200 on it. It is in > original factory > configuration. No accessories or modifications > done. > > E-mail me if you want pixes, and are interested. > > Chuck > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 11:25:55 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:25:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 Still, it's a bargain... If you consider that in 387 days, giving benefit for all of 2005, he's racked up 3m + miles, that amounts to 7752 miles per day. Assuming he's not an Iron butt rider, Santa Claus, or Superman, this would have to be the fastest motorcycle in recorded history. Let's assume for the sake of arguments that he's sleeping 6 hours / day. That means he's able to make those 7752 miles in 18 hours, or averaging almost 431 mph. ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 That thing must be on the road all the time with 3 million miles on it! Glenn --- kellcj@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > I'm in the Tyson's Corner Va area, and selling my > VTX. It's a 2003 > that I > bought brand new in 2005, and has only 3XXXK miles > on it. Color is > Titanium > Silver. I've set price of $7,200 on it. It is in > original factory > configuration. No accessories or modifications > done. > > E-mail me if you want pixes, and are interested. > > Chuck > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 11:46:46 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:33:31 -0600 (CST) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFJlOiCgW2RjLWN5Y2xlc10goEZvciBTYWxlIDI=?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?MDAzIEhvbmRhIFZUWCwgYm91Z2h0IG5ldyBpbiAyMDA1?= >From: Dave Yates >Date: Wed Feb 22 10:25:06 CST 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 >Still, it's a bargain... > >If you consider that in 387 days, giving benefit for all of 2005, he's racked up 3m + miles, that amounts to 7752 miles per day. Assuming he's not an Iron butt rider, Santa Claus, or Superman, this would have to be the fastest motorcycle in recorded history. Let's assume for the sake of arguments that he's sleeping 6 hours / day. That means he's able to make those 7752 miles in 18 hours, or averaging almost 431 mph. > >;-) > >Dave blah blah blah..the important question to ask is if he uses synthetic oil? And can he countersteer at that speed? ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 11:57:02 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Re: �[dc-cycles] �For Sale 2 003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think the more important questions are: Does he wear a full face helmet, and since he is doing 7700 miles a day, does he remove the helmet when he is in states that allow helmet less riding?!?! Glenn --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: Dave Yates > >Date: Wed Feb 22 10:25:06 CST 2006 > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, > bought new in 2005 > > >Still, it's a bargain... > > > >If you consider that in 387 days, giving benefit > for all of 2005, he's racked up 3m + miles, that > amounts to 7752 miles per day. Assuming he's not an > Iron butt rider, Santa Claus, or Superman, this > would have to be the fastest motorcycle in recorded > history. Let's assume for the sake of arguments > that he's sleeping 6 hours / day. That means he's > able to make those 7752 miles in 18 hours, or > averaging almost 431 mph. > > > >;-) > > > >Dave > > > blah blah blah..the important question to ask is if > he > uses synthetic oil? And can he countersteer at that > speed? > > ;-) > > -aki > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 11:57:54 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:57:38 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Re: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > blah blah blah..the important question to ask is if he > uses synthetic oil? And can he countersteer at that speed? > > -aki > > Screw that, I know he's used that rear brake!!!!!!!!!! Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 12:24:10 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:11:44 -0600 (CST) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFJlOiBbZGMtY3ljbGVzXSCgUmU6IFJlOiAmIzY1?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?NTE5OyYjNjU0NzE7JiM2NTQ2OTtbZGMtY3ljbGVzXSAmIw==?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?NjU1MTk7JiM2NTQ3MTsmIzY1NDY5O0ZvciBTYWxlIDIg?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDAwMyBIb25kYSBWVFgsIGJvdWdodCBuZXcgaW4gMjAwNQ==?= >From: Glenn Dysart >Date: Wed Feb 22 10:56:50 CST 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Re: ￯﾿ﾽ[dc-cycles] ￯﾿ﾽFor Sale 2 003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 >I think the more important questions are: > >Does he wear a full face helmet, and since he is doing >7700 miles a day, does he remove the helmet when he is >in states that allow helmet less riding?!?! > >Glenn does he wave at Harley riders???!!??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 12:38:53 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:31:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Re: [dc-cycles] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0Re:?= Re: ￯﾿ﾽ[dc-cycles] ￯﾿ﾽFor Sale 2 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0003?= Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 Aki asked: does he wave at Harley riders???!!??? [Dave] Does he have time? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 13:02:47 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:01:34 -0600 (CST) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFJlOiAmIzY1NTE5OyYjNjU0NzE7JiM2NTQ=?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?Njk7W2RjLWN5Y2xlc10gJiM2NTUxOTsmIzY1NDc=?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?MTsmIzY1NDY5O0ZvciBTYWxlIKAgoDIgoDAwMyA=?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?SG9uZGEgVlRYLCBib3VnaHQgbmV3IGluIDIwMDU=?= >From: Dave Yates >Date: Wed Feb 22 11:31:27 CST 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Re: [dc-cycles]  Re: Re: ￯﾿ﾽ[dc-cycles] ￯﾿ﾽFor Sale 2  003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 >Aki asked: > > >does he wave at Harley riders???!!??? > >[Dave] Does he have time? speaking of go fast items. I just read in the Military Times that the Navy just officially retired the F-14 Tomcat. *sigh*. Now THAT was one bee-u-tee-ful fighter jet. The F-18 Hornet doesn't look nearly as pretty IMHO. Of course, neither holds a candle to the pure awesome power and speed of the Honda VTX. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Feb 22 17:22:21 2006 From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=EF=BF=BD[dc-cycles]?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=EF=BF=BDFor?= Sale 2 003 Honda VTX, bought new in 2005 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:21:58 -0500 And another important question: Where on the bike does he locate the holster? Stephen (just stirring it). On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) Glenn Dysart wrote: > I think the more important questions are: > > Does he wear a full face helmet, and since he is doing > 7700 miles a day, does he remove the helmet when he is > in states that allow helmet less riding?!?! > > Glenn > > --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >From: Dave Yates > > >Date: Wed Feb 22 10:25:06 CST 2006 > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] For Sale 2003 Honda VTX, > > bought new in 2005 > > > > >Still, it's a bargain... > > > > > >If you consider that in 387 days, giving benefit > > for all of 2005, he's racked up 3m + miles, that > > amounts to 7752 miles per day. Assuming he's not an > > Iron butt rider, Santa Claus, or Superman, this > > would have to be the fastest motorcycle in recorded > > history. Let's assume for the sake of arguments > > that he's sleeping 6 hours / day. That means he's > > able to make those 7752 miles in 18 hours, or > > averaging almost 431 mph. > > > > > >;-) > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > blah blah blah..the important question to ask is if > > he > > uses synthetic oil? And can he countersteer at that > > speed? > > > > ;-) > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 25 03:02:09 2006 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:01:56 -0500 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Titling a 'salvage' bike in MD? Cc: "David Blumgart" , "DC Cycles" wow. I'm glad this came up. very good info. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Feb 25 03:05:55 2006 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:05:45 -0500 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] what? this hasnt' been posted here yet? http://www.topix.net/forum/city/reisterstown-md/T1H1LD1I0JNCDFOGH From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 26 05:36:54 2006 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:36:38 -0500 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: what? this hasnt' been posted here yet? and now: http://johnparkssucks.com On 2/25/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > http://www.topix.net/forum/city/reisterstown-md/T1H1LD1I0JNCDFOGH > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Feb 26 22:56:23 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:56:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Disk brake doodad I told a lister about this thing today then came home and found it. Here it is _http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo_ (http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo) Kinda neat. John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 27 08:31:49 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:31:28 -0600 (CST) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtkYy1jeWNsZXNdIKBEaXNrIGJyYWtlIGRvb2RhZA==?= >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Date: Sun Feb 26 21:56:01 CST 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Disk brake doodad >I told a lister about this thing today then came home and found it. >Here it is > > _http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo_ >(http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo) > >Kinda neat. > >John W. very kewl. Too bad they don't make them for HD's. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 27 09:04:34 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: [dc-cycles]  Disk brake doodad To: DCcycles Maybe you should recommend that they do after all the style is a little more in the same style as some HD footpegs. Ian --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > >Date: Sun Feb 26 21:56:01 CST 2006 > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Disk brake doodad > > >I told a lister about this thing today then came > home and found it. > >Here it is > > > > > _http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo_ > > >(http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo) > > > > >Kinda neat. > > > >John W. > > > very kewl. Too bad they don't make them for HD's. > > -aki > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 27 11:10:47 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:10:11 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: [dc-cycles]  Disk brake doodad At 2/27/2006 08:31 AM, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > _http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo_ > >(http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo) > > > >Kinda neat. > > > >John W. > >very kewl. Too bad they don't make them for HD's. Might be tricky hanging a whole floorboard up there as a disk lock... ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 27 12:38:51 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:38:36 -0600 (CST) From: To: "Mike B." , adamme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFJlOiBbZGMtY3ljbGVzXSCgUmU6IFtkYy1jeQ==?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?Y2xlc10gJiM2NTQ0MDtEaXNrIGJyYWtlIGRvb2RhZA==?= >From: "Mike B." >Date: Mon Feb 27 10:10:11 CST 2006 >To: adamme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: [dc-cycles] ﾠDisk brake doodad >At 2/27/2006 08:31 AM, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: >> >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >> >> > _http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo_ >> >(http://www.youtube.com/w/Estriberas-LUMA?v=Ri81bVThHeo) >> > >> >Kinda neat. >> > >> >John W. >> >>very kewl. Too bad they don't make them for HD's. > >Might be tricky hanging a whole floorboard up there as a disk lock... ;-) > >-- >-- Mike B. LOL. them's ain't real Harleys anyway. Wideglides are *real* Harleys. *snort*. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 27 14:35:47 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:38:56 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] World Superbike Did anyone else catch this weekend's opening races in Qatar? Very good racing and the bar has definitely been raised since last year. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 27 14:55:13 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:54:56 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] World Superbike Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Did anyone else catch this weekend's opening races in Qatar? Very good > racing and the bar has definitely been raised since last year. > > Damn its started already...? :( tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Feb 27 17:08:40 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] World Superbike Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:11:56 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Wouldn't it be nice to have a DVD with both races recorded off of TV? Just in case one couldn't finish them over the weekend and watched them on the PC at lunch time. Not that I know anything about that. Of course, that person would be finished watching them and probably wouldn't need the DVD anymore. Cedric Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Did anyone else catch this weekend's opening races in Qatar? Very > good racing and the bar has definitely been raised since last year. > > Damn its started already...? :( tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Feb 28 08:34:29 2006 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:34:38 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] a little moto humor http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/Everything_go_wrong_with_a_motorbite_80235 .html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 1 09:01:46 2006 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:57:31 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: [dc-cycles] A new horn for your bike http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/13978092.htm ...big, honkin' horns, most of them ground-shaking, ear-traumatizing, railroad train horns adapted to just about any vehicle... -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 1 10:10:40 2006 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:10:23 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A new horn for your bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I always talked about doing this to my vehicles. Glenn --- Mike Troutman wrote: > http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/13978092.htm > > ...big, honkin' horns, most of them ground-shaking, > ear-traumatizing, > railroad train horns adapted to just about any > vehicle... > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 1 10:54:04 2006 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:53:16 -0500 To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] A new horn for your bike At 3/1/2006 08:57 AM, Mike Troutman wrote: >http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/13978092.htm > >...big, honkin' horns, most of them ground-shaking, ear-traumatizing, >railroad train horns adapted to just about any vehicle... /* ...to the Nathan Airchime K5, at $1,649.95 ("They'll hear you coming for miles with `The Godfather' of all train horns ... (the) loudest thing I've ever heard."). */ Once... -- Mike B. -- The real world is not user friendly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 4 11:50:49 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:50:13 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] More lessons Ahhh, more support for the vertical headcheck - the 270/495 lumber lightning Thursday morning. While not on site, I travel that intersection a few times a month (other listers more?) and did deep empathizing with the situation. It reminded of several times I've commented on my overhead surprise events. And it made me assess once again my views on lanesplitting in extraordinary situations. Had I been jammed onsite (say 495 northbound) I would have been sorely tempted to split or shoulder, particularly with rain a factor. While I see many logics, the attendant gendarmes may not. Anybody have positive or negative experiences in such arenas? Perhaps escaping a citation? I'll have to admit, in my years of travel I've been seriously highway jammed but a few times, only one enervating (battery). The whole thing surfaced my abhorrence of trucks on the highway. Particularly open loads and landscapers (season approaching), generally inferring their lack of preparation for speeds (and possible lack of sleep, as said to be in this case). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Need 360x360 collision radar Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 4 19:34:05 2006 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:33:48 -0500 From: "John M. Stafford" To: dc-cycles Mailing List Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: More lessons Ride till you see the bubble gum machines spinning, then dismount and walk through. Which is easy unless you own a Goldwing. Enjoy, John M. Stafford ----------- From: "W.S." > Ahhh, more support for the vertical headcheck - the 270/495 lumber lightning > Thursday morning. While not on site, I travel that intersection a few times > a month (other listers more?) and did deep empathizing with the situation. > It reminded of several times I've commented on my overhead surprise events. > > > And it made me assess once again my views on lanesplitting in extraordinary > situations. Had I been jammed onsite (say 495 northbound) I would have been > sorely tempted to split or shoulder, particularly with rain a factor. While > I see many logics, the attendant gendarmes may not. Anybody have positive > or negative experiences in such arenas? Perhaps escaping a citation? I'll > have to admit, in my years of travel I've been seriously highway jammed but > a few times, only one enervating (battery). > > The whole thing surfaced my abhorrence of trucks on the highway. > Particularly open loads and landscapers (season approaching), generally > inferring their lack of preparation for speeds (and possible lack of sleep, > as said to be in this case). > > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > Need 360x360 collision radar > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 4 20:43:02 2006 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:53:29 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? A buddy of mine is looking to get into biking. Figured I'd post up here to see if anyone was selling a good starter bike. He's looking for cheap, but mechanically sound. Looks not really important. Any leads appreciated. Thanks. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 5 00:17:12 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:16:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Sometimes it is just dumb luck. Last night (Fri.) on the way home from work I had the closest call I can ever remember having on a bike, and the only thing that saved me was pure dumb luck. I mean there was no time for sphincter clamping, adrenalin pumping, or even an OH! SH&*. No swerve, no braking, hell not even rolling off the throttle, nothing but dumb luck saved my behind. I was riding down the highway near home, (MD 210,) a 6 lane highway, 11:30pm., traveling at speed (not to be confused with careful observation of the speed limit) on a slight downhill, all by myself. I did see a vehicle on the side of the road with its flashers on and someone behind it with a reflective vest so I slowed, just a bit. Then shortly after I went by, in front of me. There was a tire/wheel. Rolling down the road. All by itself. By the time I saw something in the road and made out what it was I was past it. Had it been directly in front of me I _would_ have hit it. Heck, had I been in a car, I would have hit it. I _just_ missed it by inches. Pure dumb luck. No skill at all. I do not know whether to run out and buy a lottery ticket while I am lucky. Or not take a chance of using up any of the luck I clearly need. I hate relying on luck, but it can be a darn handy thing to have around. Good luck all John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 5 02:01:55 2006 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:53:50 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sometimes it is just dumb luck. At 3/5/2006 12:16 AM, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >I hate relying on luck, but it can be a darn handy thing to have around. Whew! I hope you can get the stain out of the seat without too much trouble...and I'm glad it turned out so well for you. Yes, that sort of thing can happen, and on a bike it could be very bad. If you'd been in a car you'd have hit it, and it might have damaged the car, but it wouldn't have been likely to hurt you. Many years ago I was driving a VW Beetle on I-64 through Norfolk, VA. It was a really windy night, with the wind at 90 degrees to the road. Without any warning at all, out of the shadows at the right side of the road flew a *washtub*. One of those 3' or so diameter galvanized steel things some folks wash dogs in. I *did* hit it...it wedged under the front bumper for a few seconds as I was getting off the gas and onto the brake and clutch, then there was a bang and it was gone. Stopping to look for it would have been a bad idea (lots of traffic), so I have no idea what happened to it. Maybe flattened, maybe bounced off the road, maybe someone else got to meet it too, somewhere behind me...no idea. I'm just glad it was scooting along at road height, rather than flying by at windshield altitude... There are some things you expect to happen, like potholes, gravel, sand, deer squirrels, even wet leaves...but the universe isn't limited by our expectations and in those cases really good luck is handy to have. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 5 11:26:06 2006 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:24:30 -0500 From: skip To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? how about an 84 V65 Sabre? $1,200 / obo --skip Wayne Edelen wrote: > > A buddy of mine is looking to get into biking. Figured I'd post up here > to see if anyone was selling a good starter bike. He's looking for cheap, > but mechanically sound. Looks not really important. > > Any leads appreciated. Thanks. > > -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 5 11:30:50 2006 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:29:17 -0500 From: skip To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sometimes it is just dumb luck. damn! nice one. I had "something" come out from the back of a truck (semi) that I was rolling on the power to pass. I don't know what it was. I saw that it existed and then it was gone. I did, however, hit it. just a little bit. dented the exhaust and hti my foot. I took -no- action. it happened too fast... so I understand completely. --skip luck beats good PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > Last night (Fri.) on the way home from work I had the closest call I can > ever remember having on a bike, and the only thing that saved me was pure dumb > luck. I mean there was no time for sphincter clamping, adrenalin pumping, or > even an OH! SH&*. > No swerve, no braking, hell not even rolling off the throttle, nothing but > dumb luck saved my behind. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 5 12:10:57 2006 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:10:44 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Wayne Edelen CC: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? How about a 2001 Suzuki VZ800 Marauder? (cruiser style, cherry condition, one-owner, very low miles). Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: skip Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:24:30 -0500 >how about an 84 V65 Sabre? > >$1,200 / obo > >--skip > >Wayne Edelen wrote: >> >> A buddy of mine is looking to get into biking. Figured I'd post up here >> to see if anyone was selling a good starter bike. He's looking for cheap, >> but mechanically sound. Looks not really important. >> >> Any leads appreciated. Thanks. >> >> -- Wayne > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 5 15:36:13 2006 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 15:46:33 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, skip wrote: > how about an 84 V65 Sabre? > > $1,200 / obo > > --skip Did you miss the part where I said he was my friend? :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 5 15:39:25 2006 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:37:52 -0500 From: skip To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? heh :~) yeah, probably not a good starter bike. but a good bike, none the less... my roommate's got a GSXR600 if he's interested... :~) --skip Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, skip wrote: > > > how about an 84 V65 Sabre? > > > > $1,200 / obo > > > > --skip > > Did you miss the part where I said he was my friend? :-) > > -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 5 15:45:34 2006 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 15:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, skip wrote: > heh :~) > > yeah, probably not a good starter bike. > > but a good bike, none the less... > > > my roommate's got a GSXR600 if he's interested... :~) > > --skip What's the year/mileage/condition/price on the 600? Not really a great beginner ride if it's been made in the last several years, but always good to keep an eye out. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 6 00:13:25 2006 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:13:12 -0500 From: David Blumgart To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? Wayne Edelen wrote: >A buddy of mine is looking to get into biking. Figured I'd post up here >to see if anyone was selling a good starter bike. He's looking for cheap, >but mechanically sound. Looks not really important. > >Any leads appreciated. Thanks. > >-- Wayne > > > > How about a 2002 (or 2001, can't remember now, not that they changed at all) Suz GS500E with about 8,000 miles? It got a 0 mph drop the first year I had it and I've never bothered to replace the brake lever, but other than that it's never been down. Plus: Very reliable, upgraded with Progessive springs in the front. Minus: Owner will want to replace the tires this year. I'm up to four bikes at the moment, so I was planning to clean it up and sell it in the spring when it got warmer for about $2,200. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 6 10:29:46 2006 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Kill Em All In case this hasn't already been posted - http://www.break.com/index/deervsmoto5.html I will be doing my part this next fall shooting every last one I see. Overgrown rats that can kill you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 6 10:33:08 2006 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:33:00 -0500 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: wayne@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? Wayne Edelen claimed, "A buddy of mine is looking to get into biking. Figured I'd post up here to see if anyone was selling a good starter bike. He's looking for cheap, but mechanically sound. Looks not really important. Any leads appreciated. Thanks. -- Wayne. Try Craigslist motorcycles. If not a bike, there is a lot of gear listed. FWIW, a buddy in Olney has a 500 Interceptor for $2000. It's an '85 but, he's a mechanic so it's solid, updated chain tensioners etc. 301-529-9223 Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 6 20:58:49 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:58:09 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Coming up Some great spring trips to Balmore and Annapolis coming up - The Volvo Ocean Race boats stops. Just now approaching Rio: Man and hitech machine in one corner, mother nature in the other, around the world. 10 crew on state of the art eggshells capable of 40 knots. Hulls break, new tilting keels give up, crewmen quit. Lotsa dope at http://www.volvooceanrace.org. Due in Balmore April 20, leave Annapolis May 7. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Slippery decks like ferries Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 6 22:24:34 2006 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:24:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Beginner bikes - anyone selling? Wayne Edelen wrote: >A buddy of mine is looking to get into biking. Figured I'd post up here >to see if anyone was selling a good starter bike. He's looking for cheap, >but mechanically sound. Looks not really important. > > How does 2 out of 3 sound? :) I've got a 1982 Suzuki GS850G that is gonna officially go up on craigslist here shortly. It's cheeep and sorta cosmetically challenged. I won't claim it to be mechanically sound, but it has run fairly well for me. Pros: Old Suzuki GS motors - good stuff Tipover bars & highway pegs Shaft drive (yeah baby!) Clear title Seat recently re-covered, no tears, looks nice. 30-something thousand miles (have to go check) Recent clutch and tach cables. Plenty of tread on newer (~2 years old) Metzelers Cons: Old Suzuki GS electrics - not the greatest Clutch slips a little under full throttle. Slow leak in front tire, loses ~10 psi every few days Surface rust on footpegs, front fender. The first $600 here on DCC can ride it home. I'll probably ask for more on craigslist in a few weeks, but by then the weather will be nicer and I'll get a chance to address some of it's issues. Hork -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth Mason Dixon 20-20 Rally, featuring: Questionable Interpretations http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 7 07:15:09 2006 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:14:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Aki Damme If you're still on the list, can you ping me off-line? If he's not, and someone has his email address, can that person ping me off-line? Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 7 14:58:59 2006 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:59:20 -0500 From: Todd Schroder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Not the Perp but local and interesting There is a scary bunch out there. http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/7779162/detail.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 8 21:17:46 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:17:14 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Harley pricing pressure / Sleepy drivers This came across today and may mean downward pressure on HD prices at some dealers. http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BC09A3E4D%2D3BF5%2D4 044%2D9921%2DD5BF39F25E12%7D&siteid=mktw&dist= And: Another drug, this time legal, fogs the road: Ch. 4 also picked up on this this evening. The first sleepbiker video should make a fortune. Some Sleeping Pill Users Range Far Beyond Bed http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/08/business/08ambien.html?_r=1&oref=slogin Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Loud pipes awaken drivers Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 11 17:28:41 2006 From: "Stephen" To: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:26:41 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report Attempted theft of: 1984 Honda VT500FT Ascot Fully equipped with dented tank. Thieves cut the ignition and either fried the main in the process or blew the main when they tried to hot-wire it. My other bikes stolen from the same spot: 1965 Honda Supercub 1985 XL600R (one attempt, one success) Left at the same spot today 2004 GSX-R600 2000 Harley Sportster 2005 Vespa. I try to get old crappy stuff so thieves will ignore it .. Now it seems as the the old crappy stuff is the prime target .. Or maybe I sport a "priviledged" sign of which I wasn't aware. Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 11 18:13:18 2006 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:48:24 -0500 From: "Dr. Corona" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ya know, there are other places to live. On 3/11/06, Stephen wrote: > Attempted theft of: > > 1984 Honda VT500FT Ascot > > Fully equipped with dented tank. > > Thieves cut the ignition and either fried the main in the process or > blew the main when they tried to hot-wire it. > > My other bikes stolen from the same spot: > 1965 Honda Supercub > 1985 XL600R (one attempt, one success) > > Left at the same spot today > 2004 GSX-R600 > 2000 Harley Sportster > 2005 Vespa. > > > I try to get old crappy stuff so thieves will ignore it .. Now it seems > as the the old crappy stuff is the prime target .. Or maybe I sport a > "priviledged" sign of which I wasn't aware. > > Stephen > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Mar 11 18:26:03 2006 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:26:54 -0500 To: "Stephen" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report At 3/11/2006 05:26 PM, Stephen wrote: >I try to get old crappy stuff so thieves will ignore it .. Now it seems >as the the old crappy stuff is the prime target .. Either someone is restoring an old bike, or sells to those who do, or the new bikes' anti-theft systems are too much for them so they are going for early models with simple systems. Or maybe you just annoyed someone? Regardless, you might want to consider moving to a lower crime area. Just a thought. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Mar 12 08:08:18 2006 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:17:36 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Saturday's ride I got together with some people from a local board and went for a ride yesterday. Our route was - 80W, left on 85, right on Adamstown Rd, right on Mountville, right on Lander, left on 180, right on 383, right on 17, left on 40, right on Mt. Tabor, right on Milt Summers, left on 17, right on Stottlemeyer, right on 77, left on 550N, then up to High Point just past Ft. Ritchie. There were 8 of us with a good mix of cruisers and sportbikes - 2 Hayabusas, a CBR600RR, R1, Concours, VTX, Marauder and even a Hardley :-) Awesome weather and a good way to log a few hours in the saddle. I hope everyone was able to get out for the day. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 13 09:27:34 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:25:33 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Saturday's ride my Saturday ride was from Cherry Hill, NJ back home to Sterling on my new to me ZRX-1100. all I've got to say at this point is, "holy shit." --skip Wayne Edelen wrote: > > I got together with some people from a local board and went for a ride > yesterday. Our route was - 80W, left on 85, right on Adamstown Rd, right > on Mountville, right on Lander, left on 180, right on 383, right on 17, > left on 40, right on Mt. Tabor, right on Milt Summers, left on 17, right > on Stottlemeyer, right on 77, left on 550N, then up to High Point just > past Ft. Ritchie. > > There were 8 of us with a good mix of cruisers and sportbikes - 2 > Hayabusas, a CBR600RR, R1, Concours, VTX, Marauder and even a Hardley > :-) > > Awesome weather and a good way to log a few hours in the saddle. I hope > everyone was able to get out for the day. > > -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 13 09:35:26 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Saturday's ride To: skip , DC Cycles Awesome! Welcome to the club. Didn't go with the 1200, eh? Jimmy....stop and going daily on a ZRX1200 --- skip wrote: > my Saturday ride was from Cherry Hill, NJ back home to Sterling on > my > new to me ZRX-1100. > > all I've got to say at this point is, "holy shit." > > > --skip > > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > > I got together with some people from a local board and went for a > ride > > yesterday. Our route was - 80W, left on 85, right on Adamstown > Rd, right > > on Mountville, right on Lander, left on 180, right on 383, right > on 17, > > left on 40, right on Mt. Tabor, right on Milt Summers, left on > 17, right > > on Stottlemeyer, right on 77, left on 550N, then up to High Point > just > > past Ft. Ritchie. > > > > There were 8 of us with a good mix of cruisers and sportbikes - 2 > > Hayabusas, a CBR600RR, R1, Concours, VTX, Marauder and even a > Hardley > > :-) > > > > Awesome weather and a good way to log a few hours in the saddle. > I hope > > everyone was able to get out for the day. > > > > -- Wayne > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 13 11:03:47 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:03:38 -0500 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: wayne@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Saturday's ride Wayne Essayed: " I got together with some people from a local board and went for a ride yesterday. Our route was - 80W, left on 85, right on Adamstown Rd, right on Mountville, right on Lander, left on 180, right on 383, right on 17, left on 40, right on Mt. Tabor, right on Milt Summers, left on 17, right on Stottlemeyer, right on 77, left on 550N, then up to High Point just past Ft. Ritchie." [Carl]: Nice route. Yeah, you don't have to wander far to find some neat roads in Fredrick, Washington, and Carroll counties. While they're not exactly the Dragon or 211, they're close by and generally have fewer LEOs. Carl in Bethesda with newly spooned on Azaros on the ST. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 13 11:42:54 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:42:38 -0500 From: "Dave Blumgart" To: >> 'Stephen' wrote: >> Yet another theft report >> Attempted theft of: >> 1984 Honda VT500FT Ascot.... I, too, have tried to employ the "It's the same felony to **** with that R1 parked next to me as it is to steal my POS" strategy, and am dismayed to hear you're not having success with it. May I ask, Steve, where you're leaving your bikes? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 13 12:32:20 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:35:46 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] A new record For one police department: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2451207.html Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 13 13:00:57 2006 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:56:06 -0500 From: Michael Troutman To: DCCycles X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: [dc-cycles] The Wireless VFR Today I am doing some testing for work which involves mobile wireless access points connected to large omni antennas and inverters for power. My VFR has a 12v cig adapter for just such an occasion. So, I have spent my morning roaming Chantilly as a mobile wireless node (the other was a truck). It is absolutely beautiful out. It was next to impossible to come back inside for lunch. If I weren't on travel this week, my next step would be to test from my wireless bike up in Shenandoah. It would probably take all day. Yep. All day. Maybe even a couple of days. Ahhhh. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 13 13:02:37 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:02:21 EST Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO In a message dated 3/13/2006 11:43:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DBLUMGART@XXXXXX writes: >> 'Stephen' wrote: >> Yet another theft report >> Attempted theft of: >> 1984 Honda VT500FT Ascot.... Lojack is now available for bikes. I like the "catch the bastards" part of it. John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 10:07:08 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:07:24 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Wind warning Anyone want to gander at what speed of wind could blow over a parked R1 (380 pounds wet) = = = URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC 338 AM EST WED MAR 15 2006 DCZ001-MDZ002>007-009>011-013-014-016>018-VAZ021-025>031-036>042- 050>057-WVZ048>055-151645- /O.NEW.KLWX.WI.Y.0006.060315T1100Z-060315T2300Z/ DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-ALLEGANY-WASHINGTON-FREDERICK MD-CARROLL- NORTHERN BALTIMORE-HARFORD-MONTGOMERY-HOWARD-SOUTHERN BALTIMORE- PRINCE GEORGES-ANNE ARUNDEL-CHARLES-ST. MARYS-CALVERT-HIGHLAND- AUGUSTA-ROCKINGHAM-SHENANDOAH-FREDERICK VA-PAGE-WARREN-CLARKE- NELSON-ALBEMARLE-GREENE-MADISON-RAPPAHANNOCK-FAUQUIER-LOUDOUN- ORANGE-CULPEPER-PRINCE WILLIAM/MANASSAS/MANASSAS PARK-FAIRFAX- ARLINGTON/FALLS CHURCH/ALEXANDRIA-STAFFORD-SPOTSYLVANIA- KING GEORGE-GRANT-MINERAL-HAMPSHIRE-MORGAN-BERKELEY-JEFFERSON- PENDLETON-HARDY- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WASHINGTON...CUMBERLAND...HAGERSTOWN... FREDERICK...WESTMINSTER...GAITHERSBURG...COLUMBIA...BALTIMORE... ANNAPOLIS...WALDORF...ST MARYS CITY...STAUNTON...WAYNESBORO... HARRISONBURG...WINCHESTER...FRONT ROYAL...CHARLOTTESVILLE... LEESBURG...CULPEPER...MANASSAS...MANASSAS PARK...FAIRFAX... ALEXANDRIA...FALLS CHURCH...FREDERICKSBURG...BAYARD... PETERSBURG...KEYSER...MARTINSBURG...CHARLES TOWN 338 AM EST WED MAR 15 2006 ...WIND ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM THIS MORNING TO 6 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A WIND ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM THIS MORNING TO 6 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON...FOR MARYLAND WEST OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AND EAST OF GARRETT COUNTY...EASTERN WEST VIRGINIA AND NORTHERN AND CENTRAL VIRGINIA. THE CIRCULATION AROUND A STRONG LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IN THE GULF OF MAINE WILL PRODUCE STRONG WEST TO NORTHWEST WINDS ACROSS THE NORTHERN MID ATLANTIC TODAY. SUSTAINED WINDS OF 30 TO 40 MPH AND A FEW GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH ARE EXPECTED SHORTLY AFTER SUNRISE. THESE WINDS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE LATE AFTERNOON HOURS ACROSS THE REGION. WINDS THIS STRONG CAN MAKE DRIVING DIFFICULT...ESPECIALLY FOR HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES. USE EXTRA CAUTION WHEN DRIVING. RESIDENTS ARE ADVISED TO BRING ANY LOOSE OBJECTS INDOORS. FALLING TREE LIMBS MAY CAUSE SOME POWER OUTAGES TODAY. = = = ...WIND ADVISORY IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON... .TODAY...MOSTLY SUNNY AND VERY WINDY. HIGHS IN THE MID 50S. WEST WINDS 25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH. .TONIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR AND BRISK. LOWS IN THE UPPER 20S. NORTHWEST WINDS 15 TO 25 MPH...DECREASING TO 10 TO 15 MPH AFTER MIDNIGHT. .THURSDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS IN THE MID 50S. WEST WINDS 10 TO 20 MPH. .THURSDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 40 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAIN. LOWS IN THE UPPER 30S. NORTH WINDS 5 TO 10 MPH. .FRIDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. A CHANCE OF SHOWERS IN THE MORNING. HIGHS IN THE MID 40S. NORTH WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF RAIN 30 PERCENT. .FRIDAY NIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY. COLD WITH LOWS IN THE UPPER 20S. .SATURDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. .SATURDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. COLD WITH LOWS IN THE MID 20S. .SUNDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. .SUNDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. LOWS AROUND 30. .MONDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY. HIGHS AROUND 50. .MONDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. .TUESDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 10:34:03 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:33:47 -0500 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Wind warning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO I think this part answers your question. ;-) Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Wind warning Anyone want to gander at what speed of wind could blow over a parked R1 (380 pounds wet) = = = URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC 338 AM EST WED MAR 15 2006 RESIDENTS ARE ADVISED TO BRING ANY LOOSE OBJECTS INDOORS Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 11:19:24 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:22:48 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: LoJack won't let you watch their installer put the system on your bike. If you were to become aware of it's location, it would void their warranty. I'm not comfortable with someone else altering the wiring of my bike without me knowing what they did. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report In a message dated 3/13/2006 11:43:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DBLUMGART@XXXXXX writes: >> 'Stephen' wrote: >> Yet another theft report >> Attempted theft of: >> 1984 Honda VT500FT Ascot.... Lojack is now available for bikes. I like the "catch the bastards" part of it. John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 11:35:33 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:35:25 -0500 From: "Radio Waves" To: DCCycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report Then again, it's not like there are all that many places on a motorcycle to hide things, if you've got a couple screwdrivers to take some plastic off. I recommend not writing a letter to LoJack telling them you've figured out their secret, though. On 3/15/06, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > LoJack won't let you watch their installer put the system on your bike. > If you were to become aware of it's location, it would void their > warranty. I'm not comfortable with someone else altering the wiring of > my bike without me knowing what they did. > Cedric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 13:30:47 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:30:33 -0600 (CST) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" found on the mcc list: 2002,blue. Bike is in as new condition. Mostly stock, Includes C- Bailey 6" over stock slotted windscreen,Power Commander III, Givi crash bar,and super bright LED tail light bulbs. Had the updated clutch pkg installed 10/2004 at around 800 miles (no chudder),included complete oil and antifreeze change. Garage kept, no dents, dings or garage rash. Never in rain, snow or even seen a dirt road. Bike has 2500 miles, bearly broken in. This bike is made to be ridden and with the 150/200 miles I ride every other wknd or so it is just going to waste. With 4 dogs to look after, longer rides or trips are pretty much out of reach for me. Hate to let it go so buy it before I change my mind. Have title in hand. I am located near New Hope PA. about 40 minutes north of Philly along the Deleware river. So tell your friends out there, great bike,great price. Asking $5800. E me for more info or any questions. Thanx for looking From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 13:34:01 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:33:44 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Patriot Guard Anyone familiar with this organization? It sounds like a worthwhile cause. I'm considering signing up myself. The MD State Captain sounds familiar - like maybe someone who has been on this list in the past? http://www.patriotguard.org/ Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 13:40:30 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:00:35 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > crash bar,and super bright LED tail light bulbs. Had the updated > clutch pkg installed 10/2004 at around 800 miles (no chudder),included > complete oil and antifreeze change. Garage kept, no dents, dings or > garage rash. Never in rain, snow or even seen a dirt road. Bike has I assume he means no clutch chatter. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 13:48:05 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:47:58 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Wayne Edelen >Date: Wed Mar 15 13:00:35 CST 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" >On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >> crash bar,and super bright LED tail light bulbs. Had the updated >> clutch pkg installed 10/2004 at around 800 miles (no chudder),included >> complete oil and antifreeze change. Garage kept, no dents, dings or >> garage rash. Never in rain, snow or even seen a dirt road. Bike has > >I assume he means no clutch chatter. > >-- Wayne ..are you SURE it's not like some kinda Chinese milk cow thingie that hangs down that squirts milk? Why would ANYONE even *want* a chinese udder in the first place? MY bike doesn't have a chinese udder but I don't go around bragging about it. sheesh.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:09:22 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Patriot Guard To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've been following them in the news the last few months. I am NOT a fan of this "war" Mr. Bush has gotten us into in Iraq, but that aside, I am a fan of the Patriot Guard. They're standing up for the families of the fallen soldiers. And their support during the funeral proceedings where that religious nut has been protesting homosexuality is an awesome thing. Seems to be mostly Harleys and other such loud bikes, but I don't think it is any sort of requirement. They've organized in DC several times before, I believe. Jimmy --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Anyone familiar with this organization? It sounds like a worthwhile > cause. > I'm considering signing up myself. The MD State Captain sounds > familiar - > like maybe someone who has been on this list in the past? > > http://www.patriotguard.org/ > > Perry > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:15:28 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:13:17 -0500 From: skip To: adamme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" no mutants included, maybe? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087015/ adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > found on the mcc list: > > 2002,blue. Bike is in as new condition. Mostly stock, Includes C- > Bailey 6" over stock slotted windscreen,Power Commander III, Givi > crash bar,and super bright LED tail light bulbs. Had the updated > clutch pkg installed 10/2004 at around 800 miles (no chudder),included > complete oil and antifreeze change. Garage kept, no dents, dings or > garage rash. Never in rain, snow or even seen a dirt road. Bike has > 2500 miles, bearly broken in. This bike is made to be ridden and with > the 150/200 miles I ride every other wknd or so it is just going to > waste. With 4 dogs to look after, longer rides or trips are pretty > much out of reach for me. Hate to let it go so buy it before I change > my mind. Have title in hand. I am located near New Hope PA. about 40 > minutes north of Philly along the Deleware river. So tell your friends > out there, great bike,great price. Asking $5800. > E me for more info or any questions. Thanx for looking From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:20:50 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX probably meant shudder (def - an involuntary vibration). just like he probably meant barely, but typed bearly (def - resembling a bear ;) ). --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > crash bar,and super bright LED tail light bulbs. Had the updated > > clutch pkg installed 10/2004 at around 800 miles (no > chudder),included > > complete oil and antifreeze change. Garage kept, no dents, dings > or > > garage rash. Never in rain, snow or even seen a dirt road. Bike > has > > I assume he means no clutch chatter. > > -- Wayne > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:33:18 2006 Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:36:44 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Beware of the cow..... http://media.putfile.com/matrix-avec-une-vache Cedric P.S. It looks like the wind is dying down so I can stick to just one lane tonight, unlike last night when I used 2 to cross the Roosevelt bridge. Amazing the detail one can see in the concrete barrier up close. I could tell which parking lot sticker the guy had on his windshield going the other way. Had to pry the seat cover out of my..-well never mind. ..are you SURE it's not like some kinda Chinese milk cow thingie that hangs down that squirts milk? Why would ANYONE even *want* a chinese udder in the first place? MY bike doesn't have a chinese udder but I don't go around bragging about it. sheesh.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:40:21 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:40:06 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: UGVuZ3VpbkJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 >MY bike doesn't have a chinese udder How do you know? I have heard it referred to as chudder or judder (Interesting that judder does not trigger my spell check) It is more then a noise, it causes the clutch to go all wonky. My ST suffers from it sometimes when cold, the clutch feel goes away, it get grabby, and makes a horrid noise. DAMN annoying. John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:41:11 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The ad didn't specify the make/model of the bike, but is it a V-Strom? I believe that "chudder" is the internet term for clutch chatter that is a sometimes problem with some of the bikes. Of course, chinese udder brings more interesting ideas. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:45:40 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:45:28 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Date: Wed Mar 15 13:40:06 CST 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" >>MY bike doesn't have a chinese udder > >How do you know? > ..hmm...good question...a DAMN good question I might add. How *DO* I know eh? How does any of us *really* know? Hmmm...yes... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:47:36 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:47:17 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" To: Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually, all this speculating....and no one asked Google? "define: chudder - sheet worn by north Indian women" There you have it, some north Indian woman is running around naked because this guy thought he could gain a few hp by cramming her chudder into his bike. Easy enough....duh Jimmy > ..are you SURE it's not like some kinda Chinese milk cow thingie > that > hangs down that squirts milk? Why would ANYONE even *want* a > chinese > udder in the first place? MY bike doesn't have a chinese udder but > I > don't go around bragging about it. > > sheesh.. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 14:53:04 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:52:53 -0500 John, Judder didn't trigger your spell check because it is actually a word. jud·der intr.v. jud·dered , jud·der·ing , jud·ders To shake rapidly or spasmodically; vibrate conspicuously: "Edith would watch her wrestling with words, her thin little body juddering with the effort to unlock them" (Anita Brookner). NOUN: A rapid or spasmodic shaking. I would guess that chudder is a combination of chatter and shudder (or judder). Whatever... Perry >From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:40:06 +0000 > > >MY bike doesn't have a chinese udder > >How do you know? > >I have heard it referred to as chudder or judder (Interesting that judder >does not trigger my spell check) It is more then a noise, it causes the >clutch to go all wonky. My ST suffers from it sometimes when cold, the >clutch feel goes away, it get grabby, and makes a horrid noise. >DAMN annoying. >John > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 15:03:15 2006 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:03:00 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: UGVuZ3VpbkJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 > >>MY bike doesn't have a chinese udder > > > >How do you know? > > > > ..hmm...good question...a DAMN good question I might add. > > How *DO* I know eh? > > How does any of us *really* know? I think we have a new term for a leak of unknown origin. Or what you see when you look at the bottom of a downed bike. John #;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 15:06:13 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:04:09 -0500 From: skip To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" biker laying in the ditch with his bike, friends standing around, pointing and laughing. "dude... your chudder is showing. nice driving, santa pants!" PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >>MY bike doesn't have a chinese udder > > > > > >How do you know? > > > > > > > ..hmm...good question...a DAMN good question I might add. > > > > How *DO* I know eh? > > > > How does any of us *really* know? > > I think we have a new term for a leak of unknown origin. > Or what you see when you look at the bottom of a downed bike. > > John #;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 15:09:00 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:08:49 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: James O'Connor >Date: Wed Mar 15 13:47:17 CST 2006 >To: Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Ok, I give up, what's a "chudder?" >Actually, all this speculating....and no one asked Google? > >"define: chudder - sheet worn by north Indian women" > >There you have it, some north Indian woman is running around naked >because this guy thought he could gain a few hp by cramming her >chudder into his bike. Easy enough....duh > >Jimmy holy cripes! He delibertly sheet on his OWN bike???!!??? what the HELL is this world coming to??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 17:25:21 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:25:11 -0500 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Moto LEO trainers in DC? Hello all, If anyone here can tell me the names and contact info for any of the moto officer trainers for the Metropolitan PD, Capitol Police or Park Police, I'd appreciate hearing from you. I'd like to make contact with these folks for a project I'm working on. Off-list please. Thanks, Paul -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 17:56:39 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:56:24 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Tire changing I was in Loudoun Motorsports the other day and noticed that they are bagging $60 PER WHEEL for tire changes (that's with the wheels on the bike.) By their shop rates, that's 1.42 hours. That's 85 minutes. Does that seem unreasonable to anyone else? What are other shops charging for tire changes? Sean Jordan P.S. - Buy my car! http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/car/142213067.html _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 15 18:02:16 2006 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:02:09 -0500 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Radio Waves" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yet another theft report Cc: DCCycles and a theif can also find it and rip it out.. that would suck. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.. lojack is cure. lol From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Mar 16 03:19:45 2006 From: Patrick Carter To: "Sean Jordan" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Tire changing Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 3:19:12 -0500 Thats megaman retarded to me. $120 a set. But hey I guess they got to pay their bills. I wouldn't pay it though when I can take the wheels off and get em changed for $30. > > From: "Sean Jordan" > Date: 2006/03/15 Wed PM 05:56:24 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Tire changing > > I was in Loudoun Motorsports the other day and noticed that they are bagging > $60 PER WHEEL for tire changes (that's with the wheels on the bike.) By > their shop rates, that's 1.42 hours. That's 85 minutes. Does that seem > unreasonable to anyone else? What are other shops charging for tire changes? > > Sean Jordan > > P.S. - Buy my car! > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/car/142213067.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 17 12:41:47 2006 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:41:29 -0500 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "Patrick Carter" Subject: [dc-cycles] Tire changing Carter Protested: "Thats megaman retarded to me. $120 a set. But hey I guess they got to pay their bills. I wouldn't pay it though when I can take the wheels off and get em changed for $30." FWIW, To me motorcycles aren't soulless appliances that you can turn over to to a stranger. It's something that is dear to me that I should tend to. Additionally, when you pull the wheels, it gives you an opportunity to carry out additional maintainence tasks that the ordinary mechanic would pass on -- or -- more primping for our Motor Company afficanados. Plus, it's a good skill to possess in case you're out of MowTow reach. So, in summary: Pull you own wheels for safety, skill and passion. Heck, once I learned how to bust beads, I haven't even paid the $15 that CAD gets for spooning on new shoes. Although after rassellin' that Excedra off of the ST, I may yield on that one next time. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 17 13:02:07 2006 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:01:57 -0500 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Test - disregard This is a test -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 17 13:40:38 2006 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:40:19 -0500 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Test - disregard To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO I give it a C-minus. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Test - disregard This is a test -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 17 15:02:14 2006 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:01:57 -0500 From: "Michael Jordan" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Spammish - bike for sale It's sitting in the garage ignored and it deserves better. '93 GSX1100G shaft drive "standard" with about 72K miles on it. Good bits: Always garaged unless it was out playing (and it did play in the rain on occasion). Givi Maxia sidecases (50 liters each) and a 46 liter topcase with brakelight. Reasonably fresh Metzeler ME Z4s All hydraulic lines (clutch & brake) replaced by Rick Beggs a year or so ago with S/S braid covered teflon. Corbin seat Stock seat Most of a Givi windshield (some mounting bits have strayed) Shop manual Not so good bits: Paint is less than pristine (but no rust) Dent in tank caused by optimistic deer (bike did not go down - talk to Sean for details) Horn is iffy - button problems. Was once referred to as "an apparently jet-propelled couch" by an ex-DC-Cycler. Acceleration is absurd until about (mumble) MPH when air drag becomes a factor. Can throttle down to about 28-30 in 5th gear - downshifting is optional when passing through small towns, as long as you don't mind accelerating a bit slowly when leaving. Have gotten as high as 55MPG - usually get about 40. Asking $3K for the package. Will entertain interesting swaps. I'm riding my VStrom exclusively and just want to see the GSX being enjoyed. This is NOT recommended as a starter bike. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 22 17:50:17 2006 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:50:05 -0500 (EST) From: Harry Mantakos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] test blah blah From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 24 01:56:50 2006 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:57:29 -0500 X-FC-Form-ID: 141 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Subject: [dc-cycles] new bike, ninja250---parts? Wanted: lime green body parts (for the bike. mostly.) Any known issues with these things? thanx. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 24 09:14:43 2006 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:13:02 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] What's up with Canal Road??? So as I do my thrice weekly commute to Bethesda from Arlington, I have noticed a new LEO behavior. Think rush hour heading westerly on Canal road. It is two lanes going out of the city. Almost before you come up on Arizona; there is a small pull in on the right side of the road. In this pull-in is a police car facing in the same direction as traffic. The hood is up and there appears to be only one officer. Yesterday the officer was ominously appeared to be chattering into the vehicle radio. What gives? The flow of traffic is such that stopping cars for speeding would be a grave disruption. Does anyone know if vehicles are being detained further down Canal road, past the Chain bridge? thanks. Julian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 24 11:39:07 2006 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:38:59 -0500 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What's up with Canal Road??? Cc: "DC Cycles" Julian, they're probably running photo radar. "Canal Road, NW (2/10 of a mile south of Arizona Avenue)" is listed as an enforcement zone. On 3/24/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > So as I do my thrice weekly commute to Bethesda from Arlington, I have > noticed a new LEO behavior. Think rush hour heading westerly on Canal > road. It is two lanes going out of the city. Almost before you come up > on Arizona; there is a small pull in on the right side of the road. In > this pull-in is a police car facing in the same direction as traffic..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Mar 24 12:53:17 2006 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:53:04 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] new bike, ninja250---parts? To: garcia oliver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you find extra lime green body parts, I could use a side panel and a front fairing. I've got a black one that needs a fairing, both side panels and a lower. Issues? Sometime in the mid 90's the valves got hardened, so the newer engines last longer than the older ones. The most common engine failure is lack of oil to the crankshaft. Usage bordering on abuse can cause that failure. If they aren't used for a while the carbs often need to be cleaned. Float needles are sensitive to dirt, they'll stick and allow fuel to overflow from the carbs. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider. --- garcia oliver wrote: > > Wanted: lime green body parts (for the bike. > mostly.) > > Any known issues with these things? > > thanx. > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 27 11:13:25 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:10:23 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] she tried to throw me The scenario: I am turning right onto a 4 lane divided highway. my lane (the right lane) is empty, there are cars in the left lane. I start my turn and get on the gas. not HARD, but not -easy-. the rear wheel spins out. I maintain balance and get the bike back under me. at higher speeds, this would have been a highside, as my throttle control was not great. lessons: this bike is strong (zrx1100 throwing about 130hp on the ground), and new to me. the tires were cold. I need to not be ham-fisted with this beast, or she -will- hurt me. going for a ride at lunch, herndon area. anyone want to join? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 27 11:27:49 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:22:49 -0500 From: Mike Troutman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] she tried to throw me X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Cold tires can kick your ass if you are not careful. I am always gentle the first 5 minutes of curves in the morning. You can feel the difference. I would go for a lunchtime ride, but as my schedule compresses by the minute, I don't have the time. I was loving my heated gear this morning - I could have gone with fleece instead of heating, but I was warm and toasty and happy all the way in. skip wrote: > The scenario: I am turning right onto a 4 lane divided highway. my > lane (the right lane) is empty, there are cars in the left lane. I > start my turn and get on the gas. not HARD, but not -easy-. the rear > wheel spins out. I maintain balance and get the bike back under me. at > higher speeds, this would have been a highside, as my throttle control > was not great. > > lessons: this bike is strong (zrx1100 throwing about 130hp on the > ground), and new to me. the tires were cold. I need to not be > ham-fisted with this beast, or she -will- hurt me. > > going for a ride at lunch, herndon area. anyone want to join? > > --skip > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 27 11:30:59 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] she tried to throw me Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:30:47 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , "DC Cycles" Let's all do a lunch one of these days...How about Irish Inn in Glen Echo? Good parking, easy to get to from anywhere...or if only VA people are interested somewhere in Shirlington. Would be good to get caught up. Rossi washed out in turn 1 of lap 1 of Jerez yesterday....finished 16th I believe after trying to make up a 37 second time loss. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] she tried to throw me Cold tires can kick your ass if you are not careful. I am always gentle the first 5 minutes of curves in the morning. You can feel the difference. I would go for a lunchtime ride, but as my schedule compresses by the minute, I don't have the time. I was loving my heated gear this morning - I could have gone with fleece instead of heating, but I was warm and toasty and happy all the way in. skip wrote: > The scenario: I am turning right onto a 4 lane divided highway. my > lane (the right lane) is empty, there are cars in the left lane. I > start my turn and get on the gas. not HARD, but not -easy-. the rear > wheel spins out. I maintain balance and get the bike back under me. > at higher speeds, this would have been a highside, as my throttle > control was not great. > > lessons: this bike is strong (zrx1100 throwing about 130hp on the > ground), and new to me. the tires were cold. I need to not be > ham-fisted with this beast, or she -will- hurt me. > > going for a ride at lunch, herndon area. anyone want to join? > > --skip > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 27 11:53:32 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] she tried to throw me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > Let's all do a lunch one of these days...How about Irish Inn in Glen > Echo? There are real people behind the email addresses? And I thought it was just a half-intelligent Perl script on the listserv... *grin* BTW, if you're going to post a spoiler, it's nice to warn people about it first. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 27 12:00:02 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:59:49 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] she tried to throw me To: DC Cycles I've had that happen a number of times on my ZRX (though I'm at a measly 120 hp). With this bike, you've got huge torque at very low rpms, so twisting the grip too much at low speeds does interesting things. It is easy to push the tires a bit too much when they're cold. Wet and cold is even more fun. Don't be ham-fisted ;) Enjoy the lunch hour ride. - Jimmy > skip wrote: > > The scenario: I am turning right onto a 4 lane divided highway. > my > > lane (the right lane) is empty, there are cars in the left lane. > I > > start my turn and get on the gas. not HARD, but not -easy-. the > rear > > wheel spins out. I maintain balance and get the bike back under > me. at > > higher speeds, this would have been a highside, as my throttle > control > > was not great. > > > > lessons: this bike is strong (zrx1100 throwing about 130hp on > the > > ground), and new to me. the tires were cold. I need to not be > > ham-fisted with this beast, or she -will- hurt me. > > > > going for a ride at lunch, herndon area. anyone want to join? > > > > --skip __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 27 12:23:28 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:23:21 -0500 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] she tried to throw me > Let's all do a lunch one of these days...How about Irish Inn in Glen > Echo? One of my favorite rides to lunch from Tyson's. 123 to Chain Bridge, sneak a left or maybe a delayed u-turn onto the Clara Barton and I'm there. Back via 495. Probably should consider doing the loop clockwise to stay within the law. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 27 13:51:32 2006 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:48:37 -0500 From: skip CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] she tried to throw me yeeeha! I cannot wait to be more familar with this bike. she's fast. and she handles better than my 20 year old sabre. i know, i know... not a big surprise... except to the guy in the seat. :~) this is gonna be fun James O'Connor wrote: > > I've had that happen a number of times on my ZRX (though I'm at a > measly 120 hp). With this bike, you've got huge torque at very low > rpms, so twisting the grip too much at low speeds does interesting > things. It is easy to push the tires a bit too much when they're > cold. Wet and cold is even more fun. Don't be ham-fisted ;) Enjoy > the lunch hour ride. > > - Jimmy > > > skip wrote: > > > The scenario: I am turning right onto a 4 lane divided highway. > > my > > > lane (the right lane) is empty, there are cars in the left lane. > > I > > > start my turn and get on the gas. not HARD, but not -easy-. the > > rear > > > wheel spins out. I maintain balance and get the bike back under > > me. at > > > higher speeds, this would have been a highside, as my throttle > > control > > > was not great. > > > > > > lessons: this bike is strong (zrx1100 throwing about 130hp on > > the > > > ground), and new to me. the tires were cold. I need to not be > > > ham-fisted with this beast, or she -will- hurt me. > > > > > > going for a ride at lunch, herndon area. anyone want to join? > > > > > > --skip > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Clic`k h`ere: http://mobileopportunity.info From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Mar 27 23:20:08 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: b_thom@XXXXXX Content-ID: <7830.1143519595.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:19:55 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos Subject: [dc-cycles] old bikes (fwd from non-lister) A forward from a non-lister, ensure that 'b_thom@XXXXXX' is cc'ed on responses. -harry ------- Forwarded Message To: harry@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:52:14 -0500 Subject: RE: old bikes From: b_thom@XXXXXX Alexandria's special pickup is coming. I've got some beat up bikes I'm thinking of deaccessioning, as the museums say. I'd rather see them go to a good home. Any ideas who in the DC-northern VA area is interested in the things? I mean high school vo-tech courses. It makes no sense for an individual to work on these things, but the kids could use them for a learning project. ... ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 28 10:19:08 2006 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:16:13 -0500 From: skip To: Harry Mantakos CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, b_thom@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] old bikes (fwd from non-lister) what do you have? I know folks that might be interested in some "museum pieces" --skip Harry Mantakos wrote: > > A forward from a non-lister, ensure that 'b_thom@XXXXXX' > is cc'ed on responses. > -harry > > ------- Forwarded Message > > To: harry@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:52:14 -0500 > Subject: RE: old bikes > From: b_thom@XXXXXX > > Alexandria's special pickup is coming. I've got some beat up bikes I'm > thinking of deaccessioning, as the museums say. I'd rather see them go to > a good home. Any ideas who in the DC-northern VA area is interested in > the things? I mean high school vo-tech courses. It makes no sense for an > individual to work on these things, but the kids could use them for a > learning project. > > ... > ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 28 10:45:21 2006 X-IronPortListener: NIH_Relay X-SBRS: None X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,139,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="157094114:sNHT870514628" Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:45:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] old bikes (fwd from non-lister) Any CB-750s in that pile? ;) Who knows what my 74' Honda may need... (a muffler that fits my 4-in-1 pipe for one...) >what do you have? I know folks that might be interested in some "museum >pieces" > >--skip > >Harry Mantakos wrote: >> >> A forward from a non-lister, ensure that 'b_thom@XXXXXX' >> is cc'ed on responses. >> -harry >> >> ------- Forwarded Message >> >> To: harry@XXXXXX >> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:52:14 -0500 >> Subject: RE: old bikes >> From: b_thom@XXXXXX >> >> Alexandria's special pickup is coming. I've got some beat up bikes I'm >> thinking of deaccessioning, as the museums say. I'd rather see them go to >> a good home. Any ideas who in the DC-northern VA area is interested in >> the things? I mean high school vo-tech courses. It makes no sense for an >> individual to work on these things, but the kids could use them for a >> learning project. >> >> ... >> ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 28 16:06:44 2006 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:10:11 -0500 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Trip to the Hospital I was spending a few days in sunny Spain; a buddy works in PR for one of the huge Euro telecoms and he got me a VIP pass for the Jerez race. Saturday they had a number of media events including rolling tour of the track for VIP's, I got to borrow an RCV211 test mule and rolled out onto pit lane right as free practice was ending. Trying desperately not to embarrass myself in front of everyone, I eased out of the pit lane and stalled it. A push and I was red-faced but soon back in business. Suddenly I was the last in the group and having to work hard just to keep the others in site, After about 4 or 5 turns, the nervousness disappeared and I started to find my rhythm. I was really getting into a groove, the RCV was screaming, soon it was just Randy Mamola on the two-seat Ducati and I. Banging it through the gears at the end of the main straight I missed my braking marker in all the excitement and I overreacted, grabbing too much front brake. A yellow flash with a "46" on it went by on the inside but the rear end stepped out and tapped the overloaded front on the RCV sending me to the tarmac. The scenery changed and all I remember was sky, asphalt, sky, asphalt, gravel and a marshall grabbing my arm saying "It's time to go to the hospital!" I responded "What for?" A voice says "Because the baby's coming, NOW!" I lift my head off the pillow and the clock radio says 2:00 am, my wife is holding her stomach and breathing like my friend Justin with a new Snap-On catalog. Suddenly the champagne and endorsement contracts will have to wait as I'm packing a 4 year old into a car seat, racing down the street during prime drunk-driver interdiction season and praying we make it in time. 1 hour later I am holding the most gorgeous little person in my arms and my wife is resting as comfortably as one can after the equivalent of squeezing a piston through an intake valve. A short time later we were transferred to a private room on the seventh floor and by the light of the window little Kayla witnessed her first dawn. Somewhere off in the distance an inline four bounced off it's rev limiter as if to say "Welcome, little Kayla." Cedric Bernescut CBR600F4 Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 28 16:23:54 2006 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:23:37 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip to the Hospital To: Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX CONGRATULATIONS!!! - Jimmy --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: 1 hour later I am holding the most gorgeous > little > person in my arms and my wife is resting as comfortably as one can __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 28 16:55:25 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Trip to the Hospital Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:55:15 -0500 Congratulations! Great story, too! My favorite description of the act is "Pushing something the size of a watermelon through a hole the size of a lemon". ;^) Perry >From: "Cedric Bernescut" >To: >Subject: [dc-cycles] Trip to the Hospital >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:10:11 -0500 >[snip] >... 1 hour later I am holding the most gorgeous little >person in my arms and my wife is resting as comfortably as one can after >the equivalent of squeezing a piston through an intake valve. A short >time later we were transferred to a private room on the seventh floor >and by the light of the window little Kayla witnessed her first dawn. >Somewhere off in the distance an inline four bounced off it's rev >limiter as if to say "Welcome, little Kayla." > >Cedric Bernescut >CBR600F4 > >Inspirational Thought for the Day: > >http://tinyurl.com/zbgs > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Mar 28 23:49:06 2006 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:48:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/28/06 Cedric, Congratulations on the lil one! Take lotsa pics; she'll be driving before you know it. Continue to ride your bike while you can; your days might be numbered ;) You did have me going for a bit there w/ the Jerez thing though! JK > .... and praying we > make it in time. 1 hour later I am holding the most gorgeous little > person in my arms and my wife is resting as comfortably as one can > after > === message truncated === John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 29 00:28:45 2006 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:28:38 -0500 From: "Carl Custer" To: "Cedric Bernescut" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Trip to the Hospital Cedric Blathered:" I was spending a few days in sunny Spain; The scenery changed and all I remember was sky, asphalt, sky, asphalt, gravel and a marshall grabbing my arm saying "It's time to go to the hospital!" A short time later we were transferred to a private room on the seventh floor and by the light of the window little Kayla witnessed her first dawn. Somewhere off in the distance an inline four bounced off it's rev limiter as if to say "Welcome, little Kayla." [Carl]: Great prose. Congratulations you're off to a life changing adventure. I wouldn't trade my two for anything. Carl in Bethesda '64 Daughter. '80 Daughter, 2X '83 'Ceptors, '85 Sabre, '88 NX650, '96 ST1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 29 08:00:48 2006 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:00:30 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Cedric Bernescut Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip to the Hospital Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I was spending a few days in sunny Spain; a buddy works in PR for one of > the huge Euro telecoms and he got me a VIP pass for the Jerez race. > Saturday they had a number of media events including rolling tour of the > track for VIP's, I got to borrow an RCV211 test mule snip Man I wish I had dreams like that! > "Welcome, little Kayla." > Congrats!!!!!!!!!! > Cedric Bernescut > CBR600F4 > > Inspirational Thought for the Day: > > http://tinyurl.com/zbgs > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 29 08:41:25 2006 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:41:12 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , , "rich hall" , "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone up for a biker's lunch today? Maybe somewhere that would allow us to spot some Cheery Blossoms, otherwise the irish inn is fine. http://www.washingtonian.com/Dining/Profiles/irishinn.html Say Noon? Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: John Kozyn [mailto:mr_vfr@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/28/06 Cedric, Congratulations on the lil one! Take lotsa pics; she'll be driving before you know it. Continue to ride your bike while you can; your days might be numbered ;) You did have me going for a bit there w/ the Jerez thing though! JK > .... and praying we > make it in time. 1 hour later I am holding the most gorgeous little > person in my arms and my wife is resting as comfortably as one can > after > === message truncated === John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 29 08:45:45 2006 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:45:37 -0500 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone up for a biker's lunch today? I'm up for the Irish Inn On 3/29/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > Maybe somewhere that would allow us to spot some Cheery Blossoms, > otherwise the irish inn is fine. > http://www.washingtonian.com/Dining/Profiles/irishinn.html > Say Noon? > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Kozyn [mailto:mr_vfr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:49 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/28/06 > > Cedric, > > Congratulations on the lil one! Take lotsa pics; she'll be driving > before you know it. Continue to ride your bike while you can; your days > might be numbered ;) > > You did have me going for a bit there w/ the Jerez thing though! > > JK > > > > .... and praying we > > make it in time. 1 hour later I am holding the most gorgeous little > > person in my arms and my wife is resting as comfortably as one can > > after > > > === message truncated === > > > John Kozyn > 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 29 09:20:36 2006 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:20:27 -0500 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip to the Hospital Cc: "Cedric Bernescut" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 3/29/06, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > I was spending a few days in sunny Spain; a buddy works in PR for one of > > the huge Euro telecoms and he got me a VIP pass for the Jerez race. > > Saturday they had a number of media events including rolling tour of the > > track for VIP's, I got to borrow an RCV211 test mule > snip > > Man I wish I had dreams like that! Congrats Cedric! And you really had me sucked in too. My dreams are more of the "remember that calculus class in high school you *thought* you passed. Well guess what...." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 29 09:53:00 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Anyone up for a biker's lunch today? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:52:48 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Michael Jordan" , How about noon then? Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone up for a biker's lunch today? I'm up for the Irish Inn On 3/29/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > Maybe somewhere that would allow us to spot some Cheery Blossoms, > otherwise the irish inn is fine. > http://www.washingtonian.com/Dining/Profiles/irishinn.html > Say Noon? > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Kozyn [mailto:mr_vfr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:49 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/28/06 > > Cedric, > > Congratulations on the lil one! Take lotsa pics; she'll be driving > before you know it. Continue to ride your bike while you can; your > days might be numbered ;) > > You did have me going for a bit there w/ the Jerez thing though! > > JK > > > > .... and praying we > > make it in time. 1 hour later I am holding the most gorgeous little > > person in my arms and my wife is resting as comfortably as one can > > after > > > === message truncated === > > > John Kozyn > 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Mar 29 10:03:11 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Anyone up for a biker's lunch today? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:02:59 -0500 Are you talking about today? I rode in and am in Crystal City, but we're having a good-bye/going-away luncheon today since we're closing the facility and a couple of people are moving on. As much as I would love to attend, and it would be a GREAT ride from here, I don't think I can make it. Maybe next time. Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "Michael Jordan" , >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Anyone up for a biker's lunch today? >Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:52:48 -0500 > >How about noon then? > > >Julian Halton >Group Logic >julian@XXXXXX >703.527.7979 x 2338 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:46 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone up for a biker's lunch today? > >I'm up for the Irish Inn > >On 3/29/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Maybe somewhere that would allow us to spot some Cheery Blossoms, > > otherwise the irish inn is fine. > > http://www.washingtonian.com/Dining/Profiles/irishinn.html > > Say Noon? > > > > > > Julian Halton > > Group Logic > > julian@XXXXXX > > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Kozyn [mailto:mr_vfr@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:49 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/28/06 > > > > Cedric, > > > > Congratulations on the lil one! Take lotsa pics; she'll be driving > > before you know it. Continue to ride your bike while you can; your > > days might be numbered ;) > > > > You did have me going for a bit there w/ the Jerez thing though! > > > > JK > > > > > > > .... and praying we > > > make it in time. 1 hour later I am holding the most gorgeous little > > > > person in my arms and my wife is resting as comfortably as one can > > > after > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > John Kozyn > > 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >-- >Michael J. >'86 SRX-6 >'93 GSX1100G >'03 DL1000 >AMA >IBA #3901 >USAF (Ret) >NRA >etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 3 09:24:55 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:23:03 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Racing in the rain http://theync.net/video/cycle.wmv Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 4 11:27:19 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:26:58 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Cyclechuckle On Channel 4 this morning: Barbara H. reading the teaser for an electric motorcycle from Japan - ". . .This new motorcycle is silent." Joe K. (adlibbing?) as the program cuts to ads - "Hm. What's the point." Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Silent when parked. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 4 16:55:47 2006 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:55:34 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] HOV violation got pulled over (in my van) at 4:00 p.m. for HOV violation @ the shirlington exit. ( I thought it was 3 p.m. because I forgot to set my clock forward from the monday morning time change). Cop didn't care and gave me a summons instead of a warning (prick). Anyone know how the arlington courts handle this.. are they reasonable? non lienient or what? - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 4 19:57:20 2006 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:57:11 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] 2000 gsxr 750 5k on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4628616977 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 4 20:33:19 2006 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:33:12 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation > ( I thought it was 3 p.m. because I forgot to set my clock forward > from the monday morning time change). Cop didn't care and gave me a > summons instead of a warning (prick). Sunday morning time change, not Monday. You might have had a chance on Monday. By Tuesday, you're dead meat. Bummer -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 4 22:07:22 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:07:00 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Potomac cleanup -- Park pass Again this year - Saturday, April 8, 9-12a. National Park passes probably handed out as in the past. Details (Pick a favorite location): http://www.potomaccleanup.org/trash_initiative/rc_faqs.html Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > I feel cleaner afterward. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 4 23:21:32 2006 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:21:25 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll give it a shot though. maybe i didnt' drive my van monday? ( IIRC I didn't). On 4/4/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > ( I thought it was 3 p.m. because I forgot to set my clock forward > > from the monday morning time change). Cop didn't care and gave me a > > summons instead of a warning (prick). > > Sunday morning time change, not Monday. You might have had a chance on > Monday. By Tuesday, you're dead meat. > > Bummer > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 01:08:10 2006 From: "Stephen" To: "'Danny Motorcycle'" , "'Michael Jordan'" Cc: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:06:08 -0400 I got to work an hour late on Monday on the same account. Now I don't have to go to work at all ... You're better off than me! Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation I'll give it a shot though. maybe i didnt' drive my van monday? ( IIRC I didn't). On 4/4/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > ( I thought it was 3 p.m. because I forgot to set my clock forward > > from the monday morning time change). Cop didn't care and gave me a > > summons instead of a warning (prick). > > Sunday morning time change, not Monday. You might have had a chance on > Monday. By Tuesday, you're dead meat. > > Bummer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 06:18:49 2006 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:18:29 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: Stephen Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: "Michael Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't know about that! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 06:19:48 2006 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:19:41 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: Stephen Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: "Michael Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX well maybe.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 09:20:01 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:18:55 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Danny Motorcycle" , "DCCycles" Danny, The basics always apply - research how much the ticket will be and if points are assessed - if it is worth it to go to court (which it probably is) - consider representation - show them the best record possible - have you or your attorney explain to the judge what occurred Arlington is not lenient - but if you have good presentation and show effort to address an issue, the judge usually takes that into consideration. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 09:47:49 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:51:28 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: I got to work an hour late on Monday on the same account. Now I don't have to go to work at all ... You're better off than me! Stephen Am I reading this right? Did you get to work an hour late and lose your job? * * That really stinks! * * I was an hour late but I've got a week old kid at home who wakes up every 2 hours. I feel like I'm in the middle of an Iron Butt rally, 3:20 am "Huh-where's the checkpoint?" Lucky my boss is pretty understanding. Funny pic posted to the CBR list: http://www.cbr1100xx.org/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=472 Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "This message has been digitized for use on modern computers." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 09:57:29 2006 X-Sasl-Enc: hWzrcolAz1fvK9K4DIMfswUE2q2LjHgPAgZiljyorrrU 1144245432 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:57:12 -0400 > Funny pic posted to the CBR list: > http://www.cbr1100xx.org/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=472 I met my wife at a restaurant, and she had our (at the time) 4 month old in the baby carrier/car seat. I was on the bike. I carried our daughter out of the restaurant, and put the carrier on my Givi bag and pretended to look for the straps to strap her in. There were a group of people near by, and I could hear one woman gasp. Then I put her in my wife's car (next to the bike) and heard them all laughing. My wife did have to tell me not to buy a sidecar, because we still wouldn't bring the baby home in it. :-) Stephen, that totally blows about the job. When I told my wife I needed to change the clocks in the car, she said it was no big deal. I told her about you and Danny. Now she realizes it can be a big deal! Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Ask me about my girls: http://www.the-caplans.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 10:25:03 2006 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:26:37 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation At 4/5/2006 09:57 AM, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >Stephen, that totally blows about the job. When I told my wife I needed >to change the clocks in the car, she said it was no big deal. I told >her about you and Danny. Now she realizes it can be a big deal! You must all be pretty young...nobody who learned to drive before the 80s would ever trust a car clock to be accurate... ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 10:33:01 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:32:44 -0400 >From: "Danny Motorcycle" >got pulled over (in my van) at 4:00 p.m. for HOV violation @ the >shirlington exit. > >( I thought it was 3 p.m. because I forgot to set my clock forward >from the monday morning time change). Cop didn't care and gave me a >summons instead of a warning (prick). You're clearly at fault. How does your stupidity and ineptitude make the cop a prick? That's some mighty strange causality... _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 11:49:38 2006 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:50:23 -0400 X-FC-Form-ID: 141 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Subject: [dc-cycles] XJ600 (Seca-2) rear wheel wanted Or parts bike, maybe. If you have a good rear wheel fs, let me know today; otherwise I'll get the one on ebay. I'm still looking for a green upper fairing for a ninja-250. So is Leon, btw, and he also needs the side covers. Thanks. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 15:01:16 2006 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Sean Jordan wrote: > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > >got pulled over (in my van) at 4:00 p.m. for HOV violation @ the > >shirlington exit. > > > >( I thought it was 3 p.m. because I forgot to set my clock forward > >from the monday morning time change). Cop didn't care and gave me a > >summons instead of a warning (prick). > > You're clearly at fault. How does your stupidity and ineptitude make the cop > a prick? That's some mighty strange causality... I was thinking the same thing. This guy can't figure out what time it is, but that's somehow the cop's problem? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 5 20:23:41 2006 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,91,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="176909066:sNHT42185296" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:23:23 -0400 Hi Danny, FWIW I won in court in a somewhat similar situation in about 1994. Scenario: the Monday after daylight savings time I left work after a full day at the office, took an hour long class at the jym and headed home. No right turns allowed 5-7 pm at the intersection I needed to make a right at to head homeward. (Leland and Woodmont, near Ourisman Honda in Bethesda). I was well aware that the right turns were not allowed so my daily routine was to make a complete loop around a nearby restaurant (Cooker Grill) in order to approach the same intersection from the other direction. Left turns were allowed and doing my loop around the restaurant allowed me to legally make the left turn to head home. Well, daylight savings and chunk of time spent at the jym, I honestly thought it was after 7pm. I went to court and first explained the I KNEW that I was NOT allowed to make the right turn. (true) I explained that I lived 1/2 mile from the intersection and worked there and worked three blocks from the intersection. (true) I then explained that I had been at the jym for over an hour, class + shower. (true) I then explained that I simply thought it was past 7 pm when I made the turn, honest mistake. I did not mention how I usually avoided the no right turn rule by approaching the intersection from a different angle. I was judged innocent with PBJ. Maybe explain that you are (rightfully) accustomed to HOV privelages in your normal 2-wheeled commute? Also explain that you really thought the time was different due to various reasons? On another note, having left the big city I now get flustered if I see more than four other cars on my 4-mile commute home. I have tried to explain the concept of HOV to some of my co-workers here and they simply don't understand it. I even commute by four-wheeler if we have enough snow. Do ATV's count as an HOV vehicle? Lisa Goddard Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Sean Jordan wrote: > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > >got pulled over (in my van) at 4:00 p.m. for HOV violation @ the > >shirlington exit. > > > >( I thought it was 3 p.m. because I forgot to set my clock forward > >from the monday morning time change). Cop didn't care and gave me a > >summons instead of a warning (prick). > > You're clearly at fault. How does your stupidity and ineptitude make the cop > a prick? That's some mighty strange causality... I was thinking the same thing. This guy can't figure out what time it is, but that's somehow the cop's problem? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 13:23:18 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:22:55 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Wayne Edelen" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ROTFL @ wayne and sean Let me explain a few things to you guys. 1. cops have dicretion between writing you a ticket or giving you a warning often times when they realize you make an honest mistake, that any reasonable person would make, they just give you a warning. (because we are all human and all sometimes make mistakes) This incident would qualify. Therefor he is a prick for not giving me a warning, when I think it's a pretty safe wager that he has done such for other people, and would probably let friends and family go away with a warning too. Now I say there should be no extra privledges for friends, family, or anyone else for that matter, we should all be warned equally, if there is evidence that it was simply an honest mistake. 2. he probably realizes I have a good chance at getting it dropped at court yet still wrote the ticket anyway. There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 13:27:29 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:27:16 -0400 >From: Leon Begeman >Sean, >I think you're being a bit harsh on Danny. Only a bit? I must redouble up my efforts. >The HOV cops deliberately pick on people that can't count to 2 >(or 3 on I-95/I-395) or can't tell time. What does that mean? Do they also deliberately pick on people that go 10 mph over the speed limit? There is a defined duration of time during which certain requirements must be met for HOV use; either you are in compliance with those requirements or you are not. If you are not, then it is in no way unreasonable should a cop ticket you for the offense. Easy concept. So is Daylight Saving's Time. If you can't master the two, then may God have mercy on your soul. >It isn't >necessary or polite to point out to everyone that >Danny (or anyone else) is a member of that group. I didn't point anything out - Danny all but publicly announced his membership in that group. At any rate, it wasn't necessary or polite for Danny to refer to the cop as a prick. Danny's email established the boundaries and tone for any further discussion on the topic. Since he saw fit to use harsh and insulting criticism in regards to the cop, I responded in kind. The harshness of my responses will continue to be commensurate with the magnitude of the stupidity of Danny's posts. Sean Jordan >--- Sean Jordan wrote: > > > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > > >got pulled over (in my van) at 4:00 p.m. for HOV > > violation @ the > > >shirlington exit. > > > > > >( I thought it was 3 p.m. because I forgot to set > > my clock forward > > >from the monday morning time change). Cop didn't > > care and gave me a > > >summons instead of a warning (prick). > > > > You're clearly at fault. How does your stupidity and > > ineptitude make the cop > > a prick? That's some mighty strange causality... _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 13:35:24 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:35:08 -0400 Danny, Grow up, take responsibility for your foulups and get rid of the chip on your shoulder. You were in the HOV lane illegally. You were not aware of the correct time - your problem, no one else's. You were cited. The cop is not a prick, he's just doing his job. If you think you've got a case, make it to the judge. Good luck. Perry >From: "Danny Motorcycle" >To: "Wayne Edelen" >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:22:55 -0400 > >ROTFL @ wayne and sean > >Let me explain a few things to you guys. > >1. cops have dicretion between writing you a ticket or giving you a warning > >often times when they realize you make an honest mistake, that any >reasonable person would make, they just give you a warning. (because >we are all human and all sometimes make mistakes) > >This incident would qualify. Therefor he is a prick for not giving me >a warning, when I think it's a pretty safe wager that he has done such >for other people, and would probably let friends and family go away >with a warning too. Now I say there should be no extra privledges for >friends, family, or anyone else for that matter, >we should all be warned equally, if there is evidence that it was >simply an honest mistake. > >2. he probably realizes I have a good chance at getting it dropped at >court yet still wrote the ticket anyway. > >There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 13:39:37 2006 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:39:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Danny Motorcycle >Date: Thu Apr 06 12:22:55 CDT 2006 >To: Wayne Edelen >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >ROTFL @ wayne and sean > >Let me explain a few things to you guys. > >1. cops have dicretion between writing you a ticket or giving you a warning > >often times when they realize you make an honest mistake, that any >reasonable person would make, they just give you a warning. (because >we are all human and all sometimes make mistakes) > >This incident would qualify. Therefor he is a prick for not giving me >a warning, when I think it's a pretty safe wager that he has done such >for other people, and would probably let friends and family go away >with a warning too. Now I say there should be no extra privledges for >friends, family, or anyone else for that matter, >we should all be warned equally, if there is evidence that it was >simply an honest mistake. > >2. he probably realizes I have a good chance at getting it dropped at >court yet still wrote the ticket anyway. > >There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol ..uh..ok..I'll bite. What makes you think that the cop actually thought what you did was an honest mistake? Because you told him it was? Yeah, they hear that every day. For all he knows, you might have been doing this every day for the past year. Believe me, I see dozens of these "honest mistakes" sneaking onto 66 every morning. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 13:39:46 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:39:35 -0400 >From: "Danny Motorcycle" >Let me explain a few things to you guys. ***Summary: Mindless drivel with no hint of a logical argument*** >There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol And there you have it folks! Yet another compelling argument for compulsory sterilization! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 13:45:31 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:45:19 -0400 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Is it, is it... the first flame-fest of 2006? Just a guess. ;-) Robert On 4/6/06, Sean Jordan wrote: > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > > >Let me explain a few things to you guys. > > > ***Summary: Mindless drivel with no hint of a logical argument*** > > > >There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol > > And there you have it folks! Yet another compelling argument for compulsory > sterilization! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 14:09:36 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Sean Jordan wrote: >> There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol > > And there you have it folks! Yet another compelling argument for compulsory > sterilization! For both Danny and the cop. [tongue planted firmly in cheek.] -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX "The only contributions France has given to popular culture in the last 50 years is Gerard Depardieu and that horny skunk." --SNL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 14:11:03 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:10:46 -0400 We are *way* overdue. >From: Robert >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:45:19 -0400 > >Is it, is it... the first flame-fest of 2006? > >Just a guess. > >;-) > >Robert > > > >On 4/6/06, Sean Jordan wrote: > > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > > > > >Let me explain a few things to you guys. > > > > > > ***Summary: Mindless drivel with no hint of a logical argument*** > > > > > > >There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol > > > > And there you have it folks! Yet another compelling argument for >compulsory > > sterilization! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 14:17:52 2006 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:17:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Sean Jordan >Date: Thu Apr 06 13:10:46 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >We are *way* overdue. > > Hey, screw you Sean and the rice burner you rode in on! -aki (who's lame attempt to join in the flame fest is...well, really lame..*sigh*) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 14:37:49 2006 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:35:58 -0400 To: "Danny Motorcycle" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 4/6/2006 01:22 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >ROTFL @ wayne and sean Quit rolling and listen for a change? >Let me explain a few things to you guys. > >1. cops have dicretion between writing you a ticket or giving you a warning You should go find out what the feds requirements were when the HOV money was handed over. Doesn't it seem possible that enforcement of the rules was part of what the state agreed to when they endorsed the check? That failure to enforce them could endanger further such funds? I don't know if it was, but it seems likely. How much discretion a cop has may well vary from place to place, offense to offense and time to time. Even where it exists, prior history can have an effect on it...is your driving record squeaky clean? It will also vary with the excuse given...yours was pretty weak. Maybe on Monday, but by Tuesday you still hadn't noticed that DST had kicked in?? You obviously need stimulating to get your attention then. I agree that friends, family and officials shouldn't be given special treatment. You should all get tickets if you commit the offense. The guy writing it is a cop, not a judge, and isn't supposed to have any discretion in the matter. The only reason to overlook an offense is if he has a higher priority one to attend to at the moment. >This incident would qualify. Therefor he is a prick for not giving me >a warning, when I think it's a pretty safe wager that he has done such >for other people, and would probably let friends and family go away >with a warning too. So, based on your arbitrary assumptions about "reasonableness" (like *YOU* are any judge of a thing like that!), as well as wild guesses about his habits with respect to others, you, a person who didn't manage a DST changeover with 2 days to do it, decides that he's a prick? Sounds like you hit the wrong target there. Take responsibility for your own failures and quit blaming others for your mistakes. You blew it, you got caught, take your medicine and try not to screw up again in future. >2. he probably realizes I have a good chance at getting it dropped at >court yet still wrote the ticket anyway. Or he knows you don't have a chance in hell of getting it dropped, and just wants to see the look on the judge's face when you spout your feeble excuses? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 14:49:47 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:49:40 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation I have to side with Danny on this one.. I mean, daylight savings time is such a pain in the ass to remember about... Since it only happens once every four years on the second to last Thusday every June 14th....... Or was that the whole leap year-thanksgiving-flag day thing?? Who knows... What really impresses me is that he went through AT LEAST 48 hours without knowing what time it was. Hats off to Danny Motorsi Cool. -T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 15:06:54 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "Sean Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:06:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation SJ: We are *way* overdue. [Dave] It's just not the same without Kitchell... :-/ >From: Robert >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:45:19 -0400 > >Is it, is it... the first flame-fest of 2006? > >Just a guess. > >;-) > >Robert > > > >On 4/6/06, Sean Jordan wrote: > > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > > > > >Let me explain a few things to you guys. > > > > > > ***Summary: Mindless drivel with no hint of a logical argument*** > > > > > > >There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol > > > > And there you have it folks! Yet another compelling argument for >compulsory > > sterilization! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 15:10:07 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:09:54 -0400 Nah, the weather is too nice for a really good flame war! Everyone's out riding. Well, except for those Harley boys that don't want to risk a chance of rain or getting pollen on their chrome or custom paint jobs! :^P Perry riding his rice burner to and from work as much as possible... >From: >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:17:43 -0500 (CDT) > > >From: Sean Jordan > >Date: Thu Apr 06 13:10:46 CDT 2006 > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation > > >We are *way* overdue. > > > > > > >Hey, screw you Sean and the rice burner you rode >in on! > >-aki >(who's lame attempt to join in the flame fest >is...well, really lame..*sigh*) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 15:14:05 2006 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:13:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: "Mike B." >Date: Thu Apr 06 13:35:58 CDT 2006 >To: Danny Motorcycle >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >At 4/6/2006 01:22 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >>ROTFL @ wayne and sean > >Quit rolling and listen for a change? > holy crap. I can always rely on Mike for a long winded response. I gotta take a nap now. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 15:25:19 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Track outings I figured I'd *try* to steer the board back to a topic of note. I'm running as many Rodger Lyle days at Summit as I can and a few from Pro-Motion (if they aren't booked already). Anyone headed to VIR with Team-Promo for May 26-29th? Looking for splitting rooms/driving etc. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 15:29:21 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:29:08 -0400 >From: Leon Begeman > > >Are you still down in TN or NC or somewhere like that? Nope, been back in Va since the beginning of last year. Man, we need to get a nice old-school DC-Cycles ride together! Maybe a small circles event too. I think there's still 3 or 4 people on list that still ride motorcycles, right? :) Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 15:48:41 2006 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:48:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Perry Coleman >Date: Thu Apr 06 14:09:54 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >Nah, the weather is too nice for a really good flame war! Everyone's out >riding. Well, except for those Harley boys that don't want to risk a chance >of rain or getting pollen on their chrome or custom paint jobs! >:^P > > NO WAY am I about to take my nice clean tires and mess them up by riding my bike on the street. Who knows what total strangers have done out there? I could be driving over spit! I only allocate 20 hours of each weekend to wash and wax my bike. I don't have time to actually *look* for dirt too. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 15:48:50 2006 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:49:21 -0400 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation At 4/6/2006 03:13 PM, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: >holy crap. I can always rely on Mike for a long >winded response. Well, not always. >I gotta take a nap now. Go for it Gramps. ;-) -- Mike B. -- A day not wasted is a day wasted! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 16:55:12 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Forget Kitchell, I want Squeakers back! ;-) Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > SJ: > We are *way* overdue. > > [Dave] It's just not the same without Kitchell... > :-/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 17:36:53 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:36:45 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Sean Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Woohoo flame fest!!! On 4/6/06, Sean Jordan wrote: > >From: Leon Begeman > > >Sean, > >I think you're being a bit harsh on Danny. > > Only a bit? I must redouble up my efforts. If only you worked this hard at "getting a life". u> >The HOV cops deliberately pick on people that can't count to 2 > >(or 3 on I-95/I-395) or can't tell time. > > What does that mean? Do they also deliberately pick on people that go 10 mph > over the speed limit? There is a defined duration of time during which > certain requirements must be met for HOV use; either you are in compliance > with those requirements or you are not. If you are not, then it is in no way > unreasonable should a cop ticket you for the offense. Easy concept. So is > Daylight Saving's Time. If you can't master the two, then may God have mercy > on your soul. > [ thanks!!! I could use the mercy on my soul!!! ] > >It isn't > >necessary or polite to point out to everyone that > >Danny (or anyone else) is a member of that group. > > I didn't point anything out - Danny all but publicly announced his > membership in that group. > > At any rate, it wasn't necessary or polite for Danny to refer to the cop as > a prick. Danny's email established the boundaries and tone for any further > discussion on the topic. Since he saw fit to use harsh and insulting > criticism in regards to the cop, I responded in kind. > > The harshness of my responses will continue to be commensurate with the > magnitude of the stupidity of Danny's posts. > > Sean Jordan Well in that case, fire up the magnatude bitch!! fuck you!!!! LOL (my apologies to all the quakers who get personally offended at the thought of a 4 letter word) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 17:41:13 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:41:06 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Perry Coleman" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/6/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > Danny, > > Grow up, take responsibility for your foulups and get rid of the chip on > your shoulder. > > You were in the HOV lane illegally. You were not aware of the correct time - > your problem, no one else's. You were cited. The cop is not a prick, he's > just doing his job. If you think you've got a case, make it to the judge. > Good luck. > > Perry I restate the cop is a prick !!! It was an honest and harmless mistake. A reasonable mistake. I unwilfully violated the letter of the law, and not the spirit of the law. I'd bet your sister he's given out warnings before for reasonable mistakes. Therefor he *IS* a prick for not being consistent and unfair. I will in fact make it ot the judge. Thanks for the good luck wishing. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 17:45:25 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:45:18 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "adamme@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/6/06, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: >> > ..uh..ok..I'll bite. What makes you think that the > cop actually thought what you did was an honest mistake? Because you told him it was? Yeah, they hear that every day. For all he knows, you might > have been doing this every day for the past year. > > Believe me, I see dozens of these "honest mistakes" sneaking onto 66 every morning. > > -aki Well seeing the fact that I Know it's pretty common for the cop to sit there on the shirlington exit at 3:30, he would have nabbed me before if I did it illegally.. but since I either usually ride my bike or my CNG van.. I dont 'violate the law and he hasnt' snagged me before.... so since this is at least one of his typical routines, he knows I havne't been doing this every day for the past year. Also since I have no prior HOV violations... (hell I haven't even had a ticket in 10 years in va!!! ) He should know this isn't my typical routine. Also being that the time was within 1 hr of 3:30 pm, which is covered by the time change.. then the cop saying "yea that will do it" lead me to believe he believed my mistake. and wrote the ticket up anyway.. prick. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 17:46:25 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:46:18 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Sean Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/6/06, Sean Jordan wrote: > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > > >Let me explain a few things to you guys. > > > ***Summary: Mindless drivel with no hint of a logical argument*** > > > >There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol > > And there you have it folks! Yet another compelling argument for compulsory > sterilization! Wow.. we actually agree! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 17:47:38 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:47:31 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Dave Paper" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/6/06, Dave Paper wrote: > On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Sean Jordan wrote: > > >> There for, he's a prick, and so are you lol > > > > And there you have it folks! Yet another compelling argument for compulsory > > sterilization! > > For both Danny and the cop. > > [tongue planted firmly in cheek.] > > -dave And Sean!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 17:49:55 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:49:39 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "adamme@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/6/06, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: Sean Jordan > >Date: Thu Apr 06 13:10:46 CDT 2006 > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation > > >We are *way* overdue. > > > > > > > Hey, screw you Sean and the rice burner you rode > in on! > > -aki > (who's lame attempt to join in the flame fest > is...well, really lame..*sigh*) You bastard !!! Don't you be' goin' and tryin to steal my flame (what's the proper word here enemy? openent? target? uhh?).. I recon' you should go find your own! the nerve of you!!! what are you trying to do, steal my unpopularity! damn you! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 18:13:57 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:13:50 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/6/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 4/6/2006 01:22 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >ROTFL @ wayne and sean > > Quit rolling and listen for a change? I'm listening.. but there's too much distance for me to hear your typing. > >Let me explain a few things to you guys. > > > >1. cops have dicretion between writing you a ticket or giving you a warning > > You should go find out what the feds requirements were when the HOV money > was handed over. Doesn't it seem possible that enforcement of the rules > was part of what the state agreed to when they endorsed the check? That > failure to enforce them could endanger further such funds? I don't know if > it was, but it seems likely. Or... instead of sitting on the top of the first exit ramp.. they could actually patrol the HOV lanes and look for dangerous drivers and cheaters... but then.. I guess they coudlnt' get as much revenue... it's the same bull crap as a speed trap.. it's not about safety.. it's about $$$$. > How much discretion a cop has may well vary from place to place, offense to > offense and time to time. Even where it exists, prior history can have an > effect on it...is your driving record squeaky clean? It will also vary > with the excuse given...yours was pretty weak. Maybe on Monday, but by > Tuesday you still hadn't noticed that DST had kicked in?? You obviously > need stimulating to get your attention then. Well let's see.. Sunday morning at 2 to 3 a.m I was in NC at a bike event and full aware of the time change. I changed my hotel room clock. My cell phones automatically adjusted. Sunday I took the trip home, not needing to look at the van clock at all. Monday I didn't drive, I relaxed from prevous day drive. All my clocks were in order..the PC too. Well woops.. I forgot to change the van clock. Let all the glass dwellers cast their stones!!!! Pretty weak? as soon as I pulled up, seconds after coming to a complete stop, I pointed ot my clock to show the cop. If everyone didn't assume i was in the van monday.. and didn't assume Everyone runs around and changes every clock in their life, as if they'll die if they don't.. then they might have an arguement. > I agree that friends, family and officials shouldn't be given special > treatment. You should all get tickets if you commit the offense. The guy > writing it is a cop, not a judge, and isn't supposed to have any discretion > in the matter. The only reason to overlook an offense is if he has a > higher priority one to attend to at the moment. This is were we disagree. We all know cops have some discretion, and are allowed to give out warnings. They SHOULD have this discretion, and use it when the person has a reasonable exscuse. For one thing, it would save on wasting the court's time finding people innocent. Wastng the cops time in court.. and most importantly, wasting the honest citizens time dragging him to court when he's not guilty. ( guilty in the sense of willfully breaking the law, not technically in violation) > >This incident would qualify. Therefor he is a prick for not giving me > >a warning, when I think it's a pretty safe wager that he has done such > >for other people, and would probably let friends and family go away > >with a warning too. > > So, based on your arbitrary assumptions about "reasonableness" (like *YOU* > are any judge of a thing like that!), I'm not?? I'm the only one who brought "reasonableness" into this arguement! :) > as well as wild guesses about his habits with respect to others, If this cop has never given out a warning to anyone else, then my aunt is the father of your mother! it's a wild guess that a cop probably has given out warnings? what else is a wild guess.. I guess it's a wild guess that he's never given people breaks by reducing their speeding ticket estimate.. yea that's WAAAAY out there.. I'm just crazy.. just crazy I tell you!!!! > you, a person who didn't manage a DST > changeover with 2 days to do it, I managed it.. just not on every clock in my life. I have a multitude of clocks.. my pc clock is updated too.. I missed one.. yet you say I didn't manage DST. Hell I managed it before you did.. when your ass (included for dramatic effect and readability in flame lol) was probably sleeping in your bed unware. > decides that he's a prick? Yes.. any cop who doesn't evenly and fairly give out warnings is a prick!!!! I have a lot of cop friends. I know some cops who would go out of their way to help you... but any cop who doesn't care about fairness is a prick!!! > Sounds like > you hit the wrong target there. Take responsibility for your own failures > and quit blaming others for your mistakes. You blew it, you got caught, > take your medicine and try not to screw up again in future. LOL I'm not blaming him for my mistake. I'm blaming for his unequal distrobution of justice! I'm going to fight it in court. I hope I win just to further rub your noses in it, that the court of law agreed with me! God I hope they do!! So I can come back here and post that everyone who posted against me in this thread do not understand what justice is about and justice sided with me!!!! (more dramatic effect lol) > >2. he probably realizes I have a good chance at getting it dropped at > >court yet still wrote the ticket anyway. > > Or he knows you don't have a chance in hell of getting it dropped, and just > wants to see the look on the judge's face when you spout your feeble excuses? Feeble? feeble!!!!!! (lol). I doubt it. I think he writes it to look like he's being productive in his job. We all know how it goes. Unofficial quota. You don't pull in the numbers you get fussed at, or re-assigned. come on Mike, be realistic. You actually think he has no life that he does this type of crap for personal amusement? I don't think so. What's wrong with you? Is that how your mind works? would you do something like that? do you need therapy? > -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 18:14:58 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:14:51 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Thomas Jordan" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/6/06, Thomas Jordan wrote: > I have to side with Danny on this one.. I mean, daylight savings time > is such a pain in the ass to remember about... Since it only happens > once every four years on the second to last Thusday every June > 14th....... Or was that the whole leap year-thanksgiving-flag day > thing?? > > Who knows... > > What really impresses me is that he went through AT LEAST 48 hours > without knowing what time it was. Hats off to Danny Motorsi Cool. > > -T Damn you guys.. how come I can't be mistaken on 1 of my many clocks, but you all can be mistaken assuming you all know all the facts of my clocks and my life. jerks! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 18:16:35 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:16:28 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation P.S. would you all stop thread jacking!!! if you're not flaming me, or DST or HOV, or unfair cops. Thanks! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 18:59:59 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Glenn Dysart'" , Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:59:26 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a24801045d47ca5f20002f522efd31f1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Did Squeakers ride with chords showing? Did she ride at all? ;-) Dave Forget Kitchell, I want Squeakers back! ;-) Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > SJ: > We are *way* overdue. > > [Dave] It's just not the same without Kitchell... > :-/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 19:09:27 2006 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,94,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="16774520:sNHT17614116" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:09:17 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Ninja 250 front axle torque specs I'll be replacing the front fender on a co-workers baby ninja on Sunday. Can someone (Leon maybe) give me the torque spec for the front axle? If there are any tips or gotcha's I should know about that would be appreciated also. Thanks, Hugh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- http://www.twowheelsgood.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 6 22:32:28 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track outings To: matthew patton , DCcycles I;ll be down there with a friend fromt the R6 Messagenet.com or 2 or 20 or something like that but don't know when we're headed out for sure. i know that we will be riding on Monday for sure maybe sunday depends on schedules and such. Ian --- matthew patton wrote: > I figured I'd *try* to steer the board back to a > topic of note. > > I'm running as many Rodger Lyle days at Summit as I > can and a few from > Pro-Motion (if they aren't booked already). > > Anyone headed to VIR with Team-Promo for May > 26-29th? Looking for > splitting rooms/driving etc. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 00:58:42 2006 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track outings Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 01:05:25 -0400 I'll be doing Rodger Lyle days as much as possible too. The track day on 3/23 was cold but I was able to have clear open track (almost like private session) all day long since not many people showed up. I've posted his new flyer on the web; http://home.comcast.net/~shonda/2006/MotoX_Flyer_06.pdf Team-Promo for May 26-29th... let's see, there's CCS race at Summit on that weekend too... ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Track outings >I figured I'd *try* to steer the board back to a topic of note. > > I'm running as many Rodger Lyle days at Summit as I can and a few from > Pro-Motion (if they aren't booked already). > > Anyone headed to VIR with Team-Promo for May 26-29th? Looking for > splitting rooms/driving etc. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 02:06:05 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ninja 250 front axle torque specs To: Hugh Caldwell , DCCycles 65 ft lbs. according to the manual. The torque specs are posted in the FAQ at http://ninja250.kingston.net/ex250f-torque.html so now you have all of them. On the front wheel the only 'gotcha' is getting the tabs lined up for both the rotating gear and wheel as well as for the housing and the fork. Leon. --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > I'll be replacing the front fender on a co-workers > baby ninja on Sunday. > Can someone (Leon maybe) give me the torque spec for > the front axle? If > there are any tips or gotcha's I should know about > that would be > appreciated also. > > Thanks, > Hugh > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > http://www.twowheelsgood.net > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 07:45:06 2006 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:44:47 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ninja 250 front axle torque specs Holy Crap!!! An actual MC question, and answer.... W00T!!! Tom de ST1300 Leon Begeman wrote: > 65 ft lbs. according to the manual. The torque specs > are posted in the FAQ at > http://ninja250.kingston.net/ex250f-torque.html > so now you have all of them. On the front wheel the > only 'gotcha' is getting the tabs lined up for both > the rotating gear and wheel as well as for the housing > and the fork. > > Leon. > --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > >> I'll be replacing the front fender on a co-workers >> baby ninja on Sunday. >> Can someone (Leon maybe) give me the torque spec for >> the front axle? If >> there are any tips or gotcha's I should know about >> that would be >> appreciated also. >> >> Thanks, >> Hugh >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> -------- >> http://www.twowheelsgood.net >> >> >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 09:22:55 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:22:44 -0400 And let's not forget Anker! ;^) >From: Glenn Dysart >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:54:58 -0700 (PDT) > >Forget Kitchell, I want Squeakers back! ;-) > >Glenn > >--- Dave Yates wrote: > > > SJ: > > We are *way* overdue. > > > > [Dave] It's just not the same without Kitchell... > > :-/ > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 09:25:14 2006 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:25:06 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "Sean Jordan" , "Leon Begeman" Subject: [dc-cycles] =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Spring=92s_Heah?= Sean concluded: "Man, we need to get a nice old-school DC-Cycles ride together! Maybe a small circles event too. I think there's still 3 or 4 people on list that still ride motorcycles, right?" [Carl]: Yup your former 'Ceptor is still putting a grin on my face every time I take her for a spin. The road over Gapland and Burnside Bridge Road is clean and the trees were showing signs of spring last weekend. Ditto Rt. 17 through Wolfsville to the overlook and 550/Coppermine back two weeks ago. Aki Decided, "NO WAY am I about to take my nice clean tires and mess them up by riding my bike on the street. Who knows what total strangers have done out there? I could be driving over spit! I only allocate 20 hours of each weekend to wash and wax my bike." [Carl]: Ah you should have kept your Magna – or – better, traded up for a Sabre. :^) Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. FOM #3; OGM #008; FOO-FOP-FO? '85 VF700S "Rocinto" '83 VF700F "666" '96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" '83 VF750F "Project or Partz?" '88 NX650 Still in Maine-unseen Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 09:27:59 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:27:50 -0400 Danny, As long as you insist on carrying that chip around, you are always going to be on the wrong end of the stick. But good luck never the less. Perry Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation; stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity. -From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long, as written by Robert A. Heinlein. >From: "Danny Motorcycle" >To: "Perry Coleman" >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:41:06 -0400 > >On 4/6/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > > Danny, > > > > Grow up, take responsibility for your foulups and get rid of the chip on > > your shoulder. > > > > You were in the HOV lane illegally. You were not aware of the correct >time - > > your problem, no one else's. You were cited. The cop is not a prick, >he's > > just doing his job. If you think you've got a case, make it to the >judge. > > Good luck. > > > > Perry > >I restate the cop is a prick !!! It was an honest and harmless >mistake. A reasonable mistake. I unwilfully violated the letter of >the law, and not the spirit of the law. I'd bet your sister he's given >out warnings before for reasonable mistakes. Therefor he *IS* a prick >for not being consistent and unfair. I will in fact make it ot the >judge. Thanks for the good luck wishing. > > >Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 10:09:24 2006 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:09:13 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]_Spring=92s_Heah?= Coming up out of NC on the BRP yesterday it was in the 30s. Glad that my alternator could handle both vest & grips cranked full on :-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 10:47:02 2006 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:46:54 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]_Spring=92s_Heah?= Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, no kidding. I rode up from Jacksonville, through Ga. on Monday, then Deal's Gap, Cherohala, etc., on Tuesday and rode the BRP back all the way to MP 0 at Rockfish Gap. Brrr. And no electrics here either. BRP is closed 'twixt NC Rt. 80 and Mt. Mitchell, so I slabbed from Asheville and took 80 up to the Parkway. Another detour around MP 330 too, but that one's less lengthy. On 4/7/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > Coming up out of NC on the BRP yesterday it was in the 30s. > > Glad that my alternator could handle both vest & grips cranked full on :-) > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 16:38:24 2006 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:38:06 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[dc-cycles]__Spring=92s_Heah?= To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "Sean Jordan" , "Leon Begeman" At 09:25 AM 4/7/2006, Carl Custer wrote: >Sean concluded: >"Man, we need to get a nice old-school DC-Cycles ride together! Maybe >a small circles event too. >I think there's still 3 or 4 people on list that still ride motorcycles, >right?" > >[Carl]: Yup your former 'Ceptor is still putting a grin on my face >every time I take her for a spin. >The road over Gapland and Burnside Bridge Road is clean and the trees >were showing signs of spring last weekend. Ditto Rt. 17 through >Wolfsville to the overlook and 550/Coppermine back two weeks ago. > > >Aki Decided, "NO WAY am I about to take my nice clean tires and mess >them up by riding my bike on the street. Who knows what total >strangers have done out there? I could be driving over spit! I only >allocate 20 hours of each weekend to wash and wax my bike." > >[Carl]: Ah you should have kept your Magna ­ or ­ better, traded up >for a Sabre. :^) yeah..I should of kept BOTH of them. I had the 85 700 *and* the 85 V65. The Sabre is gay. -aki >Carl in Bethesda >Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through sun, rain, >over snow, and around road ragers. >FOM #3; OGM #008; FOO-FOP-FO? >'85 VF700S "Rocinto" >'83 VF700F "666" >'96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" >'83 VF750F "Project or Partz?" >'88 NX650 Still in Maine-unseen >Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: >http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 17:24:31 2006 From: "Stephen" To: "'Aki Damme'" , Cc: "'Sean Jordan'" , "'Leon Begeman'" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:22:29 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_=5Bdc-cycles=5D__Spring's_gay?= I think this remark ("The Sabre is gay"), along the lines of Monty Python's "Woody" vs. "Tinny" words, prompts further exploration. Some people say the Mazda Miata is gay. So .. I'm trying to think of other gay bikes. Would the Harley Sportster 883 qualify? What about the Yamaha VX800 or the Honda VTX-600? And, I what of the 1985 Suzuki Madura which is apparently one of the most maligned motorcycles of all time. http://www.lk3000.com/madura/ What qualities does a bike need to have to become gay or is it all in the eye of the beholder? Hmmm .. Inquiring minds want to know. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme@XXXXXX] The Sabre is gay. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 17:57:08 2006 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] RE: [dc-cycles] Spring's gay Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:56:40 -0400 I smell a new movie! Broke Back Biker! It ain't no body's business but yours! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Stephen [mailto:theoctopus@XXXXXX] To: 'Aki Damme'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: 'Sean Jordan'; 'Leon Begeman' Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: [dc-cycles] Spring's gay I think this remark ("The Sabre is gay"), along the lines of Monty Python's "Woody" vs. "Tinny" words, prompts further exploration. Some people say the Mazda Miata is gay. So .. I'm trying to think of other gay bikes. Would the Harley Sportster 883 qualify? What about the Yamaha VX800 or the Honda VTX-600? And, I what of the 1985 Suzuki Madura which is apparently one of the most maligned motorcycles of all time. http://www.lk3000.com/madura/ What qualities does a bike need to have to become gay or is it all in the eye of the beholder? Hmmm .. Inquiring minds want to know. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme@XXXXXX] The Sabre is gay. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 17:59:11 2006 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:58:54 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Spring's gay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 05:22 PM 4/7/2006, Stephen wrote: >I think this remark ("The Sabre is gay"), along the lines of Monty >Python's "Woody" vs. "Tinny" words, prompts further exploration. Some >people say the Mazda Miata is gay. > >So .. I'm trying to think of other gay bikes. Would the Harley Sportster >883 qualify? What about the Yamaha VX800 or the Honda VTX-600? And, I >what of the 1985 Suzuki Madura which is apparently one of the most >maligned motorcycles of all time. >http://www.lk3000.com/madura/ yes to all the above (with maybe the exception of the Sporty) >What qualities does a bike need to have to become gay or is it all in >the eye of the beholder? >..it just has to be unmanly..pretty straight forward. > -aki >-----Original Message----- >From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme@XXXXXX] > > >The Sabre is gay. > >-aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 18:07:36 2006 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:07:25 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] RE: [dc-cycles] Spring's gay To: At 05:56 PM 4/7/2006, Gary Foreman wrote: >I smell a new movie! > >Broke Back Biker! > > >It ain't no body's business but yours! > >Gary OH GREAT! There goes another keyboard! LOL -aki >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen [mailto:theoctopus@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:22 PM >To: 'Aki Damme'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Cc: 'Sean Jordan'; 'Leon Begeman' >Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: [dc-cycles] Spring's gay > >I think this remark ("The Sabre is gay"), along the lines of Monty Python's >"Woody" vs. "Tinny" words, prompts further exploration. Some people say the >Mazda Miata is gay. > >So .. I'm trying to think of other gay bikes. Would the Harley Sportster >883 qualify? What about the Yamaha VX800 or the Honda VTX-600? And, I what >of the 1985 Suzuki Madura which is apparently one of the most maligned >motorcycles of all time. >http://www.lk3000.com/madura/ > >What qualities does a bike need to have to become gay or is it all in the >eye of the beholder? > >Hmmm .. Inquiring minds want to know. > >Stephen > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme@XXXXXX] > > >The Sabre is gay. > >-aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 18:14:42 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:14:30 -0400 To: "Stephen" , From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: [dc-cycles] Spring's gay Cc: "'Sean Jordan'" , "'Leon Begeman'" At 05:22 PM 4/7/2006, Stephen wrote: >What qualities does a bike need to have to become gay or is it all in >the eye of the beholder? > >Hmmm .. Inquiring minds want to know. I'd say it mostly requires over-compensation on the part of a sexually-insecure "beholder." -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 19:33:46 2006 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,101,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="17040127:sNHT15062193" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Ninja 250 front axle torque specs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:33:24 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: Excellent. Thanks for the link and the info. Hugh Leon Begeman wrote: > 65 ft lbs. according to the manual. The torque specs are posted in > the FAQ at http://ninja250.kingston.net/ex250f-torque.html > so now you have all of them. On the front wheel the only 'gotcha' is > getting the tabs lined up for both the rotating gear and wheel as well > as for the housing and the fork. > > Leon. > --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > >> I'll be replacing the front fender on a co-workers baby ninja on >> Sunday. >> Can someone (Leon maybe) give me the torque spec for the front axle? >> If there are any tips or gotcha's I should know about that would be >> appreciated also. >> >> Thanks, >> Hugh >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > >> -------- >> http://www.twowheelsgood.net >> >> >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 21:33:19 2006 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:33:10 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Perry Coleman" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I totally disagree. what chip do I have? What chip other than the one against unfair hypocrites. There are people who in their job can be easy going or extraordinarily difficult, without reason or personal cost, yet they prefer to be difficult. Should I just bend over for them? I don't think so. You call this a chip? I simply call it intolerance to the type of people who generally would rather be a problem than fix one. (the cop SHOULD be looking for dangerous driving, vs babysitting the exit ramp). I think more of a man who's been a bumb his whole life, than one who just does as he's told, even though it's wrong. Tis better to be out of the way than part of the problem. Whenever possible, I dont' listen to the poeple who say "sorry that's the way it is". I'll attempt to find someone who will side with me and say "problem solved". You say I'll be on the wrong end of the stick? really.. I don't think so. I generally don't have any probelms.. and when I do, I get a resolution. Most of the time satisfactory. I'm not some anti-authority teenager. I've been on the road 17 years. If I'm always on the wrong end of the stick, someone better inform state farm, because they're giving me full coverage on a 2003 suzuki gsxr 1000 sportbike for under $500 a year.. that's not exactly a rate for someone who's always on the wrong end of the stick. I also say, that if it were not for intollerance to inequity, we might be brittish subjects right now. On 4/7/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > Danny, > > As long as you insist on carrying that chip around, you are always going to > be on the wrong end of the stick. But good luck never the less. > > Perry > > Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by > legislation; stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But > stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there > is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity. > -From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long, as written by Robert A. Heinlein. > > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > >To: "Perry Coleman" > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation > >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:41:06 -0400 > > > >On 4/6/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > Danny, > > > > > > Grow up, take responsibility for your foulups and get rid of the chip on > > > your shoulder. > > > > > > You were in the HOV lane illegally. You were not aware of the correct > >time - > > > your problem, no one else's. You were cited. The cop is not a prick, > >he's > > > just doing his job. If you think you've got a case, make it to the > >judge. > > > Good luck. > > > > > > Perry > > > >I restate the cop is a prick !!! It was an honest and harmless > >mistake. A reasonable mistake. I unwilfully violated the letter of > >the law, and not the spirit of the law. I'd bet your sister he's given > >out warnings before for reasonable mistakes. Therefor he *IS* a prick > >for not being consistent and unfair. I will in fact make it ot the > >judge. Thanks for the good luck wishing. > > > > > >Danny > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 21:51:14 2006 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:51:02 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 09:33 PM 4/7/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >I totally disagree. what chip do I have? What chip other than the >one against unfair hypocrites. There are people who in their job can >be easy going or extraordinarily difficult, without reason or personal >cost, yet they prefer to be difficult. Should I just bend over for >them? I don't think so. You call this a chip? I simply call it >intolerance to the type of people who generally would rather be a >problem than fix one. (the cop SHOULD be looking for dangerous >driving, vs babysitting the exit ramp). I think more of a man who's >been a bumb his whole life, than one who just does as he's told, even >though it's wrong. Tis better to be out of the way than part of the >problem. ...I'm willing to bet that if this incident had occurred on Monday, he would of let you go. Do you think he should of let you go had it happened today? When exactly *is* the limit? I'm glad he's guarding the on ramp. It prevents the violators from being ON the road THEN getting pulled over. And Lord knows, when a cop pulls someone over ON the road, everyone has to slow down and rubber neck. And besides, that's his job. To prevent violators from riding on the HOV lanes. More power to them. I just wish they had better enforcement on the HOV lanes on the toll road. Shoot all the violating bastards for all I care. Norfolk had a great idea many years ago when I lived down there. First violation was $100 and each subsequent violation doubled from the previous violation.... $100 - $200 - $400 - $800 - $1600 and so on... Talk about shitting in your cornflakes. >Whenever possible, I dont' listen to the poeple who say "sorry that's >the way it is". >I'll attempt to find someone who will side with me and say "problem solved". ..misery loves company. >You say I'll be on the wrong end of the stick? really.. I don't think >so. I generally don't have any probelms.. and when I do, I get a >resolution. ..it sounds more like you're whining to me. >Most of the time satisfactory. I'm not some anti-authority >teenager. I've been on the road 17 years. If I'm always on the wrong >end of the stick, someone better inform state farm, because they're >giving me full coverage on a 2003 suzuki gsxr 1000 sportbike for under >$500 a year.. that's not exactly a rate for someone who's always on >the wrong end of the stick. ..well partnah..I'm afraid THAT honeymoon may just be coming to an end. And I've had two tickets in 10 years and my Harley costs me $400 a year full coverage. I don't think you're getting THAT great of a deal. You might think about shopping around. >I also say, that if it were not for intollerance to inequity, we >might be brittish subjects right now. ..yup..I'll run to the Potomac and toss in my HOV tickets right now! That'll show em! Seriously, suck up to the fact that you broke the law and got caught. For whatever reason the cop did nothing more than do his job. Tell the story to the judge but don't blame the cop. He's heard every story under the sun and yours is just another sentence in the same old tired book. -aki >On 4/7/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > > Danny, > > > > As long as you insist on carrying that chip around, you are always going to > > be on the wrong end of the stick. But good luck never the less. > > > > Perry > > > > Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by > > legislation; stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. > But > > stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there > > is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity. > > -From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long, as written by Robert A. Heinlein. > > > > >From: "Danny Motorcycle" > > >To: "Perry Coleman" > > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation > > >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:41:06 -0400 > > > > > >On 4/6/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > > Danny, > > > > > > > > Grow up, take responsibility for your foulups and get rid of the chip > on > > > > your shoulder. > > > > > > > > You were in the HOV lane illegally. You were not aware of the correct > > >time - > > > > your problem, no one else's. You were cited. The cop is not a prick, > > >he's > > > > just doing his job. If you think you've got a case, make it to the > > >judge. > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > Perry > > > > > >I restate the cop is a prick !!! It was an honest and harmless > > >mistake. A reasonable mistake. I unwilfully violated the letter of > > >the law, and not the spirit of the law. I'd bet your sister he's given > > >out warnings before for reasonable mistakes. Therefor he *IS* a prick > > >for not being consistent and unfair. I will in fact make it ot the > > >judge. Thanks for the good luck wishing. > > > > > > > > >Danny > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 7 22:39:05 2006 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:38:57 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation In a situation like this, I always ask myself... What Would Jesus Do? Well, he wouldn't break the friggin' law. Of course, I'm assuming things. Just like Danny is assuming that the cop wouldn't ticket anyone else, friend, family, or otherwise. Or that laws don't apply if you don't know how to keep time (Wow! It was almost 4 o'clock when I left work, but now that I'm on the road, it's only 3 o'clock!!! My van is capable of time travel (with two or more passengers, that is...)) Of course, the man is holding you down, Danny. Call the ACLU. Tell them that a cop gave you a ticket for *GASP* breaking the law. Tell them that they did it because you are .....black. (But a nice black person.. The kind that would stop to help someone move a bike to the side of the road and offer lots of whatever help... *Reference DCC Archives from 11/21/05) I propose that we start a foundation. Maybe everyone on the list would like to pitch in to help Danny pay his $50 fine. I've got a crisp $5 bill. Who wants to match it? Oh, and Danny, Perry Coleman is a member is this list. You don't need to email him AND the list every random bombast. On 4/7/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I totally disagree. what chip do I have? What chip other than the > one against unfair hypocrites. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 00:30:37 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:30:27 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Aki Damme" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > ...I'm willing to bet that if this incident had occurred on Monday, he would > of let you go. Well there you go.. so now the arguement changes.. first it was "you broke the law. suffer" (as the general consensus of the list idiots). Now it's "he probably would have done what you say had it been monday" oh so now.. the rules change simply because I didn't drive the van on monday instead of tuesday? oh yea th'ats fair. lol > Do you think he should of let you go had it happened today? Sure why not! My wife's co worker made an illegal right to clear the intersection. cop gave her a ticket. She beat it in court. There is reasonable, and there are unreasonable explaination. Mine was reasonablel. What, it's unreasonable because 1 more day passed,a day in which I happened to not drive the van, and just because i didn't drive the van that day, all of a sudden the excuse isn't as valid? > > When exactly *is* the limit? when it's not plausible. Is not 48 hours plausible? > I'm glad he's guarding the on ramp. Amen.. lord knows there is nothing better a cop can do than guard a ramp! > It prevents > the violators from being ON the road THEN getting pulled over. Only for that one officer. If another officer pulls someone over on the shoulder, there goes your logic. >And Lord knows, > when a cop pulls someone over ON the road, everyone has to slow down and > rubber neck. That's great justification..." cops shouldn't be doing better police work than gaurding a ramp because traffic will slow down". > And besides, that's his job. To prevent violators from riding on > the HOV lanes. Well shoot.. why don't we just get special HOV police.. they don't even need guns if all their doing is issuing tickets for HOV occupant violation. Would be a lot cheaper.. heck all they'd have to do is snap photos. > More power to them. I just wish they had better enforcement > on the HOV lanes on the toll road. Shoot all the violating bastards for all I > care. yea hang em high. No judge no jury.. shoot em... wonderful. > Norfolk had a great idea many years ago when I lived down there. > > First violation was $100 > and each subsequent violation doubled from the previous violation.... > > $100 - $200 - $400 - $800 - $1600 and so on... > > Talk about shitting in your cornflakes. I believe something like that is in place now. The ticket says something like $50 first infraction..and it incriments. Before I looked at the ticket, I asked the cop.. in his well informed answer he said "I think it's $107 or something like that". Dude doesn't even know? what kind of crap is that? > >Whenever possible, I dont' listen to the poeple who say "sorry that's > >the way it is". > >I'll attempt to find someone who will side with me and say "problem solved". > > ..misery loves company. okay. > >You say I'll be on the wrong end of the stick? really.. I don't think > >so. I generally don't have any probelms.. and when I do, I get a > >resolution. > > > ..it sounds more like you're whining to me. well In that case good. so? you've never bitched on list? or is ok for you but not me? > >Most of the time satisfactory. I'm not some anti-authority > >teenager. I've been on the road 17 years. If I'm always on the wrong > >end of the stick, someone better inform state farm, because they're > >giving me full coverage on a 2003 suzuki gsxr 1000 sportbike for under > >$500 a year.. that's not exactly a rate for someone who's always on > >the wrong end of the stick. > > ..well partnah..I'm afraid THAT honeymoon may just be coming to an end. I dont 'think so. HOV violation carries no points. My driving pattterns and habbits don't get worse. > And I've had two tickets in 10 years and my Harley costs me $400 a year > full coverage. I don't think you're getting THAT great of a deal. You might > think about shopping around. No need, I know for a fact that's probably the best deal going. How old is your harley? what's the value of your harley? You're comparing apples to oranges.. My bike goes in excess of 170 MPH.. How old are you? How many CC's is your harley? I know i'm getting a good deal when compared to other gsxr 1000. Some people pay $400 a month for one. > >I also say, that if it were not for intollerance to inequity, we > >might be brittish subjects right now. > > > ..yup..I'll run to the Potomac and toss in my HOV tickets right now! That'll > show em! > > Seriously, suck up to the fact that you broke the law and got caught. No. Got caught implies intentionally breaking the law. > For > whatever > reason the cop did nothing more than do his job. Sometimes just because something is your job doens't mean it's the right thing to do. I know you know this. I have a strong feeling that when you get pulled over you dont' say "officer I was breaking the law, ticket me!" don't be a hypocrite. > Tell the story to the judge I will. > but don't blame the cop. I will. I bet his ass violates the law himself. I'll bet he speeds when off duty. Hypocrite. He's heard every story under the sun and yours is just another > sentence in the same old tired book. Mine is 100% true. It's the same story that was valid on monday. If it's valid on monday it could be valid on tuesday. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 00:42:05 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:41:58 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Thomas Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/7/06, Thomas Jordan wrote: > In a situation like this, I always ask myself... What Would Jesus Do? > > Well, he wouldn't break the friggin' law. Wow.. you're not only psychic but you can predict jesus's actions. Did not Jesus get crusified for breaking the law? Jesus died for my sins of unawaring violate the HOV laws. HA ha. > Of course, I'm assuming things. you're assuming more than you own up to. > Just like Danny is assuming that the cop wouldn't ticket anyone else, friend, family, or otherwise. I think it's a pretty safe assumption the cop has at least given someone a warning, and also not applied the law to someone he personally knows, whom he witness violating the law. >Or that > laws don't apply if you don't know how to keep time Even Aki has acknowledge the cop probably let people go for not being aware of the time change. Are you, in all your hypocritical glory going to sit here and say you have always been aware of the time, the time change, and will do so in the future? COme on Mr Jordan don't bullshit us. >(Wow! It was > almost 4 o'clock when I left work, but now that I'm on the road, it's > only 3 o'clock!!! My van is capable of time travel (with two or more > passengers, that is...)) THere you go with your assumptions. I don't work anywhere near that time frame, and I wasn't leaving work. you assumed such. I don't even commute. Since you have no clue what you're talking about, why don't you just shut up? > Of course, the man is holding you down, Danny. Call the ACLU. Tell > them that a cop gave you a ticket for *GASP* breaking the law. Tell > them that they did it because you are .....black. (But a nice black > person.. The kind that would stop to help someone move > a bike to the side of the road and offer lots of whatever help... > *Reference DCC Archives from 11/21/05) How black am I ? I find that last paragraph pretty offensive. You assume i'm black and then try to make fun of me playing the race card on my behalf. You think that is clever? cute? it's not. It's a pretty fucking ugly thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself.. and if you aren't, that's even more pathetic. > I propose that we start a foundation. Maybe everyone on the list would > like to pitch in to help Danny pay his $50 fine. I've got a crisp $5 > bill. Who wants to match it? paypal it to me you lyin fucker LOL > Oh, and Danny, Perry Coleman is a member is this list. You don't need > to email him AND the list every random bombast. And you don't need to reply to me or comment on my thread, yet you do so. WHY? So when you stop doing what you dont' need to do.. maybe I'll stop wondering why you have such shitty comments. Asshole. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 08:28:19 2006 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:28:00 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:30 AM 4/8/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > ...I'm willing to bet that if this incident had occurred on Monday, he > would > > of let you go. > >Well there you go.. so now the arguement changes.. first it was "you >broke the law. suffer" (as the general consensus of the list idiots). >Now it's >"he probably would have done what you say had it been monday" >oh so now.. the rules change simply because I didn't drive the van on >monday instead of tuesday? oh yea th'ats fair. lol ..uh yeah Danny. That's the way it works. This isn't rocket science. > > Do you think he should of let you go had it happened today? > >Sure why not! My wife's co worker made an illegal right to clear the >intersection. cop gave her a ticket. She beat it in court. There is >reasonable, and there are unreasonable explaination. Mine was >reasonablel. What, it's unreasonable because 1 more day passed,a day >in which I happened to not drive the van, and just because i didn't >drive the van that day, all of a sudden the excuse isn't as valid? .. because unlike everyone else on the road, you're just the only one that can't tell time. What if three weeks had passed by? What if your clock in your van is *broken*? The cop should apologize to you for interrupting your day and tell you go ahead and drive in the HOV lane because, gawd forbid, your only source of the relative time is the clock in your van? What time was it when you got *into* the van? Didn't you notice that the time seemed to jump *backward* in time? > > > > When exactly *is* the limit? > >when it's not plausible. Is not 48 hours plausible? ..as plausible, apparently, as any other day in the future from what you claim. > > I'm glad he's guarding the on ramp. > >Amen.. lord knows there is nothing better a cop can do than guard a ramp! ...he's preventing violators from entering the on ramp..Danny, I've explained this to you already. And quite simply I might add. Re-read and comprehend. > > It prevents > > the violators from being ON the road THEN getting pulled over. > >Only for that one officer. If another officer pulls someone over on >the shoulder, >there goes your logic. ..no for that *on ramp*. Big difference. Is this *really* this hard for you to grasp or are you just pulling our leg? > >And Lord knows, > > when a cop pulls someone over ON the road, everyone has to slow down and > > rubber neck. > >That's great justification..." cops shouldn't be doing better police >work than gaurding a ramp because traffic will slow down". ..you keep referring back to "guarding a ramp". Danny, I'm typing this REAL SLOW because, apparently, you can't read too fast. HE IS NOT GUARDING A RAMP. HE IS STOPPING HOV VIOLATORS. Which incidentally, is much safer and more efficient and less disruptive to traffic to do so at an entry way than on the HOV lane itself. Why does this entire concept seem to elude you? My 17yo daughter, with a one year old license, grasped this idea with no difficulty. > > And besides, that's his job. To prevent violators from riding on > > the HOV lanes. > >Well shoot.. why don't we just get special HOV police.. they don't >even need guns if all their doing is issuing tickets for HOV occupant >violation. Would be a lot cheaper.. heck all they'd have to do is snap >photos. ..I thought your gripe was that you got caught. Now, it's the *method* that was used? Make up your mind. You're all over the place. > > More power to them. I just wish they had better enforcement > > on the HOV lanes on the toll road. Shoot all the violating bastards for all > I > > care. > >yea hang em high. No judge no jury.. shoot em... wonderful. ..yup. > > Norfolk had a great idea many years ago when I lived down there. > > > > First violation was $100 > > and each subsequent violation doubled from the previous violation.... > > > > $100 - $200 - $400 - $800 - $1600 and so on... > > > > Talk about shitting in your cornflakes. > >I believe something like that is in place now. The ticket says >something like $50 first infraction..and it incriments. Before I >looked at the ticket, I asked the cop.. in his well informed answer he >said "I think it's $107 or something like that". Dude doesn't even >know? what kind of crap is that? ..I'm not surprised. It's not his job to collect, only to issue tickets. It's the Judge who finally determines what the fine will be. > > >Whenever possible, I dont' listen to the poeple who say "sorry that's > > >the way it is". > > >I'll attempt to find someone who will side with me and say "problem > solved". > > > > ..misery loves company. > >okay. > > > > >You say I'll be on the wrong end of the stick? really.. I don't think > > >so. I generally don't have any probelms.. and when I do, I get a > > >resolution. > > > > > > ..it sounds more like you're whining to me. > >well In that case good. so? you've never bitched on list? or is ok >for you but not me? ..I've never bitched about something, that any responsible adult, let alone adult male, could clearly see it was their fault, no. It's all part of being "all growed up". *snort* > > >Most of the time satisfactory. I'm not some anti-authority > > >teenager. I've been on the road 17 years. If I'm always on the wrong > > >end of the stick, someone better inform state farm, because they're > > >giving me full coverage on a 2003 suzuki gsxr 1000 sportbike for under > > >$500 a year.. that's not exactly a rate for someone who's always on > > >the wrong end of the stick. > > > > ..well partnah..I'm afraid THAT honeymoon may just be coming to an end. > >I dont 'think so. HOV violation carries no points. My driving >pattterns and habbits don't get worse. ..no, just your sense of time and common sense. > > And I've had two tickets in 10 years and my Harley costs me $400 a year > > full coverage. I don't think you're getting THAT great of a deal. You > might > > think about shopping around. > >No need, I know for a fact that's probably the best deal going. How >old is your harley? what's the value of your harley? You're >comparing apples to oranges.. >My bike goes in excess of 170 MPH.. How old are you? How many CC's >is your harley? I know i'm getting a good deal when compared to other >gsxr 1000. Some people pay $400 a month for one. ...I'm 48, have a 2001 Dyna WideGlide which is insured for $25,000 full coverage. 1450cc. > > >I also say, that if it were not for intollerance to inequity, we > > >might be brittish subjects right now. > > > > > > ..yup..I'll run to the Potomac and toss in my HOV tickets right > now! That'll > > show em! > > > > Seriously, suck up to the fact that you broke the law and got caught. > >No. Got caught implies intentionally breaking the law. ...stupidity doesn't automatically excuse you from the law. If that were the case, half the jails would be vacant. The really smart ones never get caught. > > For > > whatever > > reason the cop did nothing more than do his job. > >Sometimes just because something is your job doens't mean it's the >right thing to do. I know you know this. I have a strong feeling that >when you get pulled over you dont' say "officer I was breaking the >law, ticket me!" don't be a hypocrite. ..actually, the times I was pulled over, I acted like an responsible adult, admitted that I was speeding and if I was issued a ticket (which wasn't often), it was for less than what I was originally stopped for. 1. Because I showed respect and didn't try to insult the officer by playing dumb. 2. I admitted I was speeding and pulled over promptly. 3. Was courteous and polite. cops are human too. Treat them like you want to be treated and most of the time they won't act like an ass hole. I have a sneaky suspicion you acted as much of a self-denying ass then as you are now on the list and hence the reason for the ticket. I also think the judge isn't going to swallow your story either. -aki > > Tell the story to the judge > >I will. > > > > but don't blame the cop. > >I will. I bet his ass violates the law himself. I'll bet he speeds >when off duty. >Hypocrite. > >He's heard every story under the sun and yours is just another > > sentence in the same old tired book. > >Mine is 100% true. It's the same story that was valid on monday. If >it's valid on monday it could be valid on tuesday. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 08:58:56 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:58:49 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Bottom line: Ya pays yer nickle, ya takes yer chance. If you can - ALWAYS go to court. Won't cost you any more (unless you're on the clock) and there's always the off chance... -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 09:24:45 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 06:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OK I've been reading this argument on the internet a little too long. Let me start by saying I am in no way innocent of screwing up and getting a ticket or even willfully breaking the law when I speed. That aside let me just say was it an honest mistake? Probably. Is that ticketable on whatever day other than the Sunday or monday after the time change? Yes but hopefully the LEO might have some leninency in the matter but maybe not. Either way IIRC it was Wednesday and even though it might have been an honest mistake, which it probably was I'm not debating that point, the officer still has every right to ticket you. Considering the number of people that I see riding in HOV close to the end of the time limits and even in the middle of it, I wish that they'd do more enforcement on the 395 corridor between Edsall and the pentagon. I see lots of people get on at Seminary Rd who shouldn't be in there at all, according to HOV regulations at any rate. Back to the point, Should you get a pass for your honest mistake? Not my call but if it had been Wednesday I think I would have done the same thing if I were in the LEO's postition. Should you go to court and fight it? Sure if you have that much time to do so it's your right. Whether you get off or not depends on the judge not us. Finally, you all realize that you are arguing on the internet don't you and you do realize how pointless that is? Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 10:52:13 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 07:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I totally disagree. what chip do I have? What chip other than the > one against unfair hypocrites. There are people who in their job can > be easy going or extraordinarily difficult, without reason or > personal cost, yet they prefer to be difficult. Oh my gosh! there are people on this list who are easy-going and reasonable and then there are those who can be extraordinarily difficult. So here we have an example of hypocrites on this very list! It's called LIFE, Danny. Get over it. if you know how to run a police force and know what cops SHOULD be doing and you're this worked up over it, then run for police chief or mayor. But you'll have to be a beat cop for say 15 years first. Imagine Danny, you could be one of those hyprocrites! Everyone of us has had "unreasonable" tickets written. Sure we might get a little peeved and want to vent but really, a person of character and grace doesn't go spouting off on some tirade. If they just gotta prove a point they go to court and try to sway a judge to be lenient. If you walked into a court room with the manners you've been showing of late I wouldn't be surprised he might pop you in a cell to give you time to cool off. > Should I just bend over for them? what is this, teenage rage against the machine? Don't you think there are better ways to spend your emotional energy? > I'll attempt to find someone who will side with me and say "problem > solved". So if you get enough fringe travelers then that somehow justifies an upside-down and inside-out idea? You're not alone. There are scads of people who refuse to believe self-evident truths because they have decided they know better. Go ahead, picket the Arlington police station and court house and demand that cops focus on what you perceive to be the crimes of the century. > You say I'll be on the wrong end of the stick? really.. I don't think > so. I generally don't have any probelms.. really? I can't think of anyone on the list in the last oh 10 years who has had so many run-ins with Johnny Law and who gets all bent out of shape over it. The proof is in the pudding, Danny. > resolution. Most of the time satisfactory. I'm not some > anti-authority teenager. I've been on the road 17 years. so you're an easily offended, self-righteous, why don't I always get cut some slack from provably hypocritical cops, ~35yr old. Or does your van clock say you're still 24 yrs old? because by now a lot of people have mellowed out a touch. > I also say, that if it were not for intollerance to inequity, we > might be brittish subjects right now. Yeah, that's it. BTW, when you muster your army to wage your little war be sure to get a picture or two. Take an ad out in the Wash Post or write a letter to the editor, I'm sure your arguments are so blindingly obvious that the huddled masses will pick up arms and join your cause. WWJD? Aside from the fact that His clock is always perfect, he'd have the grace to accept the ticket and make the effort to make the cop have a nice day. And he wouldn't burden his disciples with days of angry ranting and raving about the injustice of it all. Perry et. al. have said it. Take your lumps and move on with what's left of your dignity. And next time you feel live venting your spleen over something silly, maybe you could bite your tongue. I hear bathroom mirrors are good listeners. Even a fool is considered wise if they keep their trap shut. Prov 17:28 (unauthorized edition). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 11:03:02 2006 From: "Stephen" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:00:56 -0400 And on the other side of it, think about all those times you sped or turned right on a no-right-turn-on-red or followed too close or made an unsafe manvoeuver etc. etc. but did NOT get caught. This is a little bit like divine retribution for one, or some of those instances. I got busted riding through a stop sign at night that wasn't there the week before that was on the opposite side of a light-post, so it was in the shade and I didn't see it. It was unfair, but I didn't even bother contesting it. I'd done the crime and it was cheaper to pay the ticket than take half a day off work to contest it. Yep, it may not be fair but, please, try to take it like a man. Stop whining about it here and take action (contest the ticket) or don't (pay the ticket). If you do decide to contest it, please let us know the outcome, I'm sure we'll all enjoy the court-room play-by-play. Thank you, Stephen -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Everyone of us has had "unreasonable" tickets written. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 12:50:22 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:50:13 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Aki Damme" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/8/06, Aki Damme wrote: > At 12:30 AM 4/8/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > ...I'm willing to bet that if this incident had occurred on Monday, he > > would > > > of let you go. > > > >Well there you go.. so now the arguement changes.. first it was "you > >broke the law. suffer" (as the general consensus of the list idiots). > >Now it's > >"he probably would have done what you say had it been monday" > >oh so now.. the rules change simply because I didn't drive the van on > >monday instead of tuesday? oh yea th'ats fair. lol > > ..uh yeah Danny. That's the way it works. This isn't rocket science. I'm glad you finally see it my way. > > > > Do you think he should of let you go had it happened today? > > > >Sure why not! My wife's co worker made an illegal right to clear the > >intersection. cop gave her a ticket. She beat it in court. There is > >reasonable, and there are unreasonable explaination. Mine was > >reasonablel. What, it's unreasonable because 1 more day passed,a day > >in which I happened to not drive the van, and just because i didn't > >drive the van that day, all of a sudden the excuse isn't as valid? > > .. because unlike everyone else on the road, you're just the only one > that can't tell time. I'm sure I wasnt' the only one who made that mistake. What you should have said is "most people". What are the odds more likely, that I'm of a small percent or that I'm one in some hundred thousands, that didn't set their vehicle clock? > What if three weeks had passed by? You'd be three weeks older but not a day smarter. lol j/k. what do you think genius. You actually find 3 weeks comparable to 1 day extra? I know you don't.. so why are you arguing the what if my aunt had balls arguement. she' d be your uncle. > What if your > clock in your van is *broken*? Well if I took it to the dealer and they wrote me a note it should be dismissed I say. What if your speedometer is broken and you get proof? it gets dismissed.. not "so what you broke the law suck it up". Use your brians people. > The cop should apologize to you for > interrupting > your day and tell you go ahead and drive in the HOV lane because, gawd forbid, > your only source of the relative time is the clock in your van? Sorry your majesty.. I'm driving down the road.. I should always assume the van clock is wrong and go through the trouble of pulling out my cell phone to double check the time... lord knows there is a big difference between 3 and 4 p.m. I neve said a cop should apologize.. but he should be understanding if the story is plausible, which it was. > What time was > it when you got *into* the van? Didn't you notice that the time seemed to jump > *backward* > in time? Well see now you're finally starting to make sense... instead of assuming facts you're starting to ask questions. If you must know, I drove out to morningside to see what this squeak was on a guys bike. I went to clinton first to drop off a friends trailer. I stopped at mcdonalds between doing the two to eat. I never had a reason to check the time, I had no appointments. When I finished my first errand I gave the guy a call and said i'd be on my way, be there in 30 minutes. No neeed to check time, just estimate how long it would take me to get there. When i got there, I called, no one was home, he said his daughter was sick so he coudlnt' make it and that I shoudl leave. I promptly headed home to beat traffic. I'm travelling 395 otu of dc, see the HOV ahead, checked the time on my van, it said 2:54 p.m. I said great, I'll easily be off (395) at 3:05. I got on. You know the rest.. well actually you don't so I'll re-explain it to you, since you didn't grasp it the first time. \> > > When exactly *is* the limit? > > > >when it's not plausible. Is not 48 hours plausible? > > > > ..as plausible, apparently, as any other day in the future from what you claim. And you're not ever forgetful. Let's say you have an extra vehicle. You could make the same mistake if you hardly drive it, and in your day you had no reason to check time, in the after noon you may make the same mistake. Don't be a hypocritre. You're not super time man. > > > I'm glad he's guarding the on ramp. > > > >Amen.. lord knows there is nothing better a cop can do than guard a ramp! > > ...he's preventing violators from entering the on ramp..Danny, I've explained > this > to you already. And quite simply I might add. Re-read and comprehend. Again you're wrong. He's not gaurding the on ramp. He's not preventing any HOV violators from entering. He's running a trap on the exit ramp. He's not protecting HOV from violators.. he's running a money snag trap much like a speed trap. Hide yourself until it's too late and bam make em pay. Maybe if the cop sat on the shoulder right near the "last chance exit" the cop would actually be gaurding the HOV from violators and a lot of the listers wouldn't be so pissed at HOV violators.. but according to you and a few others, you think this money making "police law enforcement" gimmick is A> actually good police work B> helping to prevent HOV violators. This style of justice is as useful at preventing law breaking as the death penalty. It'll stop one person at a time from breaking the law.. vs a police presence will stop few. Do you want them to actually protect HOV, or do you want them gaurding the EXIT ramp. > > > It prevents > > > the violators from being ON the road THEN getting pulled over. > > > >Only for that one officer. If another officer pulls someone over on > >the shoulder, > >there goes your logic. > > > ..no for that *on ramp*. Big difference. Is this *really* this hard for you > to grasp or > are you just pulling our leg? SO now can you admit tha tyou're wrong? it's an EXIT RAMP. It does not stop HOV VIOLATORS from getting on the road. I explained I exited HOV in my original story and that's where the cop was. Now that I ended your confusion on that, is your pride too big to admit you were wrong.. and that your theory does not apply? come on, admit you were wrong, don't let me down! > > >And Lord knows, > > > when a cop pulls someone over ON the road, everyone has to slow down and > > > rubber neck. > > > >That's great justification..." cops shouldn't be doing better police > >work than gaurding a ramp because traffic will slow down". > > > ..you keep referring back to "guarding a ramp". Danny, I'm typing this REAL > SLOW because, > apparently, you can't read too fast. HE IS NOT GUARDING A RAMP. HE IS STOPPING > HOV VIOLATORS. lol I can't read too fast? Guess what idiot brought up the term "guarding the ramp" that's YOUR terminology. YOU SAID HE WAS GUARDING THE RAMP. LOL I just sarcasticly stayed with it. NOW YOU"RE SAYING HE"S NOT GAURDING THE RAMP? LOL make up your mind. Seriously I may have to cease my engagement with you, because you clearly fail to understand what I say, and much more, what you , yourself say. You may want to see a dr about alzheimers.... If you can remember to do so. > Which incidentally, is much safer and more efficient and less > disruptive to > traffic to do so at an entry way than on the HOV lane itself. based on your previous failure to grasp things on the first go around, for repititions sake in helping you understand, I will say again, he was not at an entry way, he was on an exit ramp pretty much hiding. So it's less efficient to *prevent* hov violators. >Why does this > entire concept > seem to elude you? My 17yo daughter, with a one year old license, grasped > this idea with no > difficulty. LOL you're so wrong. well at least someone in your family has grasped the concept. LOL. P.S. is she hott? > > > And besides, that's his job. To prevent violators from riding on > > > the HOV lanes. Great job.. prevent HOV violators by allowign them to do it and then writing them a ticket. You call that preventing? Is that like preventing people from committing murder by watching them kill someonee, nad then charging them with murder? > >Well shoot.. why don't we just get special HOV police.. they don't > >even need guns if all their doing is issuing tickets for HOV occupant > >violation. Would be a lot cheaper.. heck all they'd have to do is snap > >photos. > > > ..I thought your gripe was that you got caught. Now, it's the *method* that > was used? Make up your mind. You're all over the place. Sorry, I failed to understand that I'm not allowed to address more than one problem. Now that you have ruled on that your highness, let me correct you, I'm not mad that I got stopped "caught". I'm dissappointed in the officers unfairness in his work, and since the issue has come up, I'm dissapointed in poor police work just as I have consistently been with speed traps, or any police officer generating revehnue only instead actually policing the district AND raising revenue. I'm all for taxing the bad guys who actually tax the state. > > > More power to them. I just wish they had better enforcement > > > on the HOV lanes on the toll road. Shoot all the violating bastards for all > > I > > > care. > > > >yea hang em high. No judge no jury.. shoot em... wonderful. > > > ..yup. Well you should get in line. As a matter of fact start the line. I'm sure you've done something stupid.. or wilfully illegal. I guess you're another "non speeder". [SNIP] > ..I'm not surprised. It's not his job to collect, only to issue tickets. It's > the Judge who finally determines what the fine will be. Well seeing as how you have an option to to pay by mail and not go to court, you would think he would know what to put on the ticket so the system could get it's money easier, so all the ticketee would have to do is read it, and pay. [snip] > > > > > >You say I'll be on the wrong end of the stick? really.. I don't think > > > >so. I generally don't have any probelms.. and when I do, I get a > > > >resolution. > > > > > > > > > ..it sounds more like you're whining to me. > > > >well In that case good. so? you've never bitched on list? or is ok > >for you but not me? > > > ..I've never bitched about something, that any responsible adult, let alone > adult male, could clearly see it was their fault, no. It's all part of being > "all growed up". *snort* Suuuuure. [snip] > >I dont 'think so. HOV violation carries no points. My driving > >pattterns and habbits don't get worse. > > > ..no, just your sense of time and common sense. Riiiiiiiiiiight. > > ...I'm 48, have a 2001 Dyna WideGlide which is insured for $25,000 full > coverage. > 1450cc. That's very interesting. How fast does it go? and what's the theft rate on those things? > > > > >I also say, that if it were not for intollerance to inequity, we > > > >might be brittish subjects right now. > > > > > > > > > ..yup..I'll run to the Potomac and toss in my HOV tickets right > > now! That'll > > > show em! > > > > > > Seriously, suck up to the fact that you broke the law and got caught. > > > >No. Got caught implies intentionally breaking the law. > > ...stupidity doesn't automatically excuse you from the law. If that were the > case, > half the jails would be vacant. The really smart ones never get caught. Your'e right.. it was stupid of me to forget to set the van clock, when I was smart enough to make sure 4 other clocks were correct. I'm sooo ashamed.. how can I show my face in public ever again!! The best laid plans of mice o men aft go agley!!!! aaaaagh! my plan failed aaaaagh.. I masterminded this great scheme to secretly sneak on HOV to the first exit ramp for such gains and benefits LOL. > > > For > > > whatever > > > reason the cop did nothing more than do his job. Yes in a very shitty manner. Now if I go to court and beat the case, the cop wasted his time in doing his job when he could have trapped another real hov violator who intented to violate the law. Or better yet, instead of running his revenue raising trap, he coudl have actually been on hov near the last exit to encourage violators to not violate. (again repetition, so you can understand) > >Sometimes just because something is your job doens't mean it's the > >right thing to do. I know you know this. I have a strong feeling that > >when you get pulled over you dont' say "officer I was breaking the > >law, ticket me!" don't be a hypocrite. > > > ..actually, the times I was pulled over, I acted like an responsible adult, > admitted that I was speeding and if I was issued a ticket (which wasn't often), > it was for less than what I was originally stopped for. OH REALLY!!!!!! How dare you! Hypocrite. You violated the law, knowingly, and then instead of sucking it up... you allowed the cop to be lienent on you!!! did you not expect this? are you the only one allowed to expect a cop to be lienent and somewhat forgiving (if the circumstances aren't too bad)? > 1. Because I showed respect and didn't try to insult the officer by playing > dumb. We all know that' standard protocol. > 2. I admitted I was speeding and pulled over promptly. I hope not in that order! > 3. Was courteous and polite. You? really? can I get some of that from you? lol > cops are human too. Yes I know. he was probably mad he was on ticket duty instead of doing real police work.. passing that shittiness off to the rest of us. This is not a good supporting role in society. The world gets worse with this mentality. If he has a problem with doing that he should address it through the proper channels, not pass along the missery. The beatings will continue until moral improves. > Treat them like you want to be treated and most of the > time > they won't act like an ass hole. I have a sneaky suspicion you acted as much > of a self-denying ass then as you are now on the list and hence the reason for > the > ticket. Again.. wrong. Not that I had much of a chance to say much of anything, as I pulled up, it clicked in, and I was like "oooooooh I know what happened, I forgot to adjust the van clock for time change" and I pointed at it to show him. He said "yep that'll do it. I'm issuing you an HOV summons" and he walked away. He came back, explained it was in arlington. I asked the amount. He told me he was going to stop traffic so i could back out of the section he pulled me into. I thanked him and told him to be safe out there. I backed up and left. So again, your sneaky suspicions are full of shit. I hold good police officers in high regard. I hold bad ones in high contempt. I am saying he was a prick but i'm not saying he's neccessarily a bad one btw. p.s. don't twist my words, i'm saying that as a preventative measure. > I also think the judge isn't going to swallow your story either. > > -aki We shall see. I hope you are as consistently inacurate as you've been all along in this thread. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 12:53:16 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:53:09 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/8/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > Bottom line: Ya pays yer nickle, ya takes yer chance. > > If you can - ALWAYS go to court. Won't cost you any more (unless > you're on the clock) and there's always the off chance... Yep. I'll go. I still think it's a scam innocent people have to pay court costs. Does not our tax money cover the legal system.. They're like tripple charging us. charge you at income time, charge you at sales tax time, then charge you a pay as you go for services. I would imagine the founding fathers would have even more contempt for our own system degenerating, then the contempt they had for G.B. treatement. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 13:09:45 2006 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:09:29 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:50 PM 4/8/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: Danny boy, I'm done with this. Not because I think you're right in any single thing you've so far babbled on but because I can't believe I've wasted as much time and bandwidth on someone who is so indefinably stupid. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 13:30:29 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:30:19 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Ian Schmidt" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/8/06, Ian Schmidt wrote: > OK I've been reading this argument on the internet a > little too long. LOL Let me start by saying I am in no way > innocent of screwing up and getting a ticket or even > willfully breaking the law when I speed. Ahh I can appreciate a lister who has a realistic view on things! > That aside > let me just say was it an honest mistake? Probably. Why thank you. This is the same thing the cop should have realized. >Is > that ticketable on whatever day other than the Sunday > or monday after the time change? Yes but hopefully the > LEO might have some leninency in the matter but maybe > not. Either way IIRC it was Wednesday and even though > it might have been an honest mistake, which it > probably was I'm not debating that point, the officer > still has every right to ticket you. It was actually Tuesday. I agree he has the right to do it.. but i state he shouldn't. It's a waste of resources to issue questionable tickets (that may be lost in court) when he can issue sure ones. >Considering the > number of people that I see riding in HOV close to the > end of the time limits and even in the middle of it, I > wish that they'd do more enforcement on the 395 > corridor between Edsall and the pentagon. A lot of listers have problems with this unenforcement. Apparently va state police are more interested in raising revenue than putting a cop near "must not exit now if not HOV". I see lots > of people get on at Seminary Rd who shouldn't be in > there at all, according to HOV regulations at any > rate. Back to the point, Should you get a pass for > your honest mistake? Not my call but if it had been > Wednesday I think I would have done the same thing if > I were in the LEO's postition. And you being reasonable would probably have let it go on tuesday right? Should you go to court > and fight it? Sure if you have that much time to do so > it's your right. Whether you get off or not depends > on the judge not us. I'm aware of that. I'm not even arguing for that point. I'm arguing it for discussion purposes. Funny how they think I'm trying to win the case through them. > Finally, you all realize that > you are arguing on the internet don't you and you do > realize how pointless that is? Yes. it's funny how they want me to "stop whining" yet they respond to me, to give me more to respond to. Personally I'm arguing for the fun of it. I get to poke in a few side jabs at them too... pointing out their inconsistencies and lack fo information on the matter and assumptions. Heck they've even helped my hone what potential issues may come up in court so that I may have a reasonable explanation for dismissal. By them whining about my whining lol they have indeed helped me. > Ian Thanks for the postive response! - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 13:54:20 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:54:10 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "matthew patton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/8/06, matthew patton wrote: > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > I totally disagree. what chip do I have? What chip other than the > > one against unfair hypocrites. There are people who in their job can > > be easy going or extraordinarily difficult, without reason or > > personal cost, yet they prefer to be difficult. > > Oh my gosh! there are people on this list who are easy-going and > reasonable and then there are those who can be extraordinarily > difficult. So here we have an example of hypocrites on this very list! > It's called LIFE, Danny. Get over it. Get over it? Let's think this through.. everyone can except people being pricks.. or.. we can stand firm against it. I think it's the "that's how it is get over it" tolerance that has allowed societal issues to degenerate. The more we let people get away with creating unreasonable problems, the worse things get. "oh they're charging us a new tax" "oh well get over it" the next thing you know, the tax continually climbs. Was there not a time when innocent people didn't have to pay court costs? How much was it at first? how much is it now? We need more people to say Hell no we won't stand for the unfair ness. > if you know how to run a police force and know what cops SHOULD be > doing and you're this worked up over it, then run for police chief or > mayor. But you'll have to be a beat cop for say 15 years first. Imagine > Danny, you could be one of those hyprocrites! No there is a better solution. > Everyone of us has had "unreasonable" tickets written. Sure we might > get a little peeved and want to vent but really, a person of character > and grace doesn't go spouting off on some tirade. B.S. Plenty of listers have posted their gripes about tickets. For some reason I'm not allowed to do so? lol >If they just gotta > prove a point they go to court and try to sway a judge to be lenient. > If you walked into a court room with the manners you've been showing of > late I wouldn't be surprised he might pop you in a cell to give you > time to cool off. And you've never observed me outside of the list. This is the list. To me it's only a medium to freely express ideas. I pretty much have no concerns,, such as manners, presentation or spelling. why? because it doesn't matter. I mean, i don't go off and call just anyone a name, I have to receive some disdain from the person first...and in that case.. fuck em. Do I need to be polite to someone who is disrespectful? hell no. Why you think I would go apply that same thing in court is beyond me. > > Should I just bend over for them? > > what is this, teenage rage against the machine? Don't you think there > are better ways to spend your emotional energy? Got any suggestions? I like this one.. I can relax with my laptop and fireoff against people who put themselves out there to be pricks. > > I'll attempt to find someone who will side with me and say "problem > > solved". > > So if you get enough fringe travelers then that somehow justifies an > upside-down and inside-out idea? You're not alone. There are scads of > people who refuse to believe self-evident truths because they have > decided they know better. See now i dont know what you're talking about. I'm talking about if one sprint employee says "no I can't make that adjustment" or one dmv employee who says "no" . I just try another employee who will do it without hassle. It works. When that doens't work, I go to a supervisior who will. that works as well. I dont' ask for something against policy. I ask for something I know is policy. what you're tlaking about I do not know. >Go ahead, picket the Arlington police station > and court house and demand that cops focus on what you perceive to be > the crimes of the century. what's funny is MANY listers are PO'd with the HOV lack of enforcement. I am one now that I see the gimmick they are pulling, more worried about revenue, than prevention of law breaking. [ SNIP ] > > so you're an easily offended, self-righteous, why don't I always get > cut some slack from provably hypocritical cops, ~35yr old. Or does your > van clock say you're still 24 yrs old? because by now a lot of people > have mellowed out a touch. Don't hate me for my fire within!!! lol that's a joke. A lot of people have mellowed out.. all i'm doing is posting responses. If they mellowed out what am I responding to ? > > I also say, that if it were not for intollerance to inequity, we > > might be brittish subjects right now. > > Yeah, that's it. BTW, when you muster your army to wage your little > war be sure to get a picture or two. Take an ad out in the Wash Post or > write a letter to the editor, I'm sure your arguments are so blindingly > obvious that the huddled masses will pick up arms and join your cause. Maybe if people did join the cause they wouldn't be bitching about HOV violators. > WWJD? Aside from the fact that His clock is always perfect, he'd have > the grace to accept the ticket and make the effort to make the cop have > a nice day. Did not JC knock over a few tables in his day? I heard he had. > And he wouldn't burden his disciples with days of angry > ranting and raving about the injustice of it all. Would he not preach against the injustices? Did he not spread the word of right and wrong? I must of missed the part where jesus basicly got screwed and kept his mouth shut. Seems to me he had followers because he opened his mouth.. not because he was dragged around by other preachers who used him as an example. Did I miss something? So maybe jesus wouldn't have called the cop a prick.. well I'm not jesus LOL yet I can still preach about this little raquet VA state police has got going is just as wrong as speed traps. In some places speed traps are thrown out of court.. and I bet ti's not because everyone has bent over and accept it. I ask that some of you men have as much intolerabilty towards the gov't reaming us a new one, as much as you have intolerabilty to my posts. LOL > Perry et. al. have > said it. Take your lumps and move on with what's left of your dignity. > And next time you feel live venting your spleen over something silly, > maybe you could bite your tongue. I hear bathroom mirrors are good > listeners. Even a fool is considered wise if they keep their trap shut. > Prov 17:28 (unauthorized edition). Screw that. The list is here to discuss issues of local laws pertaining to us. HOV unenforcement qualifies. Why should I bite my tongue? I have every right to vent as does any other lister. If any of the old prudes on the list has a problem with it they don't have ot read my posts. They can learn to use a kill file. They can simply not click on my post. Am I ever going to bite my tongue to compensate for someone "not having to read it" yet choosing to read it? NEVER. Does their right to not read my post regulate my right to post? NO. DUH. I never did understand this "bite your tongue I dont 'want to read it" arguement. If you don't want to read it, DON'T. Is that too hard? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 14:07:47 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:07:40 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: Stephen Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/8/06, Stephen wrote: > And on the other side of it, think about all those times you sped or > turned right on a no-right-turn-on-red or followed too close or made an > unsafe manvoeuver etc. etc. but did NOT get caught. This is a little bit > like divine retribution for one, or some of those instances. And what if I win in court? We have a court system in which you are only supposed to be found guilty for the crime you are being charged with. Not your total history, or value of your character. > I got > busted riding through a stop sign at night that wasn't there the week > before that was on the opposite side of a light-post, so it was in the > shade and I didn't see it. It was unfair, but I didn't even bother > contesting it. I'd done the crime and it was cheaper to pay the ticket > than take half a day off work to contest it. Well I have the time to go to court, and I don't believe in giving the state any more money than they already steal from me lol > Yep, it may not be fair but, please, try to take it like a man. Stop > whining about it here That's a good logic.. add fuel to the fire hoping it will burn out. If you want me to stop whining,, don't you think the best thing to do is to not give me anything to respond to? and take action (contest the ticket) or don't (pay > the ticket). If you do decide to contest it, please let us know the > outcome, I'm sure we'll all enjoy the court-room play-by-play. I fully intend to. I believe I have a reasonable case. I hope the courts are reasonable. I will come back and thank everyone who had snide comments, for it is they who helped me hone my responsed to any arguements. You and the rest of the list can rest assured I will go dressed nicely, speak kindly, and be prepared... as I always do. > Thank you, > > Stephen No, thank you. For future refference to all listers: when ever you want someone to stop whining. Don't respond. It will only engage in a further response. If they want me to stop whining dont' give me anything to whine about : ) hell isn't "stop whining" a whine about a whine? tell them to stop whining LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 14:07:48 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:07:46 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Remember when Danny said......................(June 3, 2002) "Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They seem to flow traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if they werent' HOV lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up.. same congestion, just wider. Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the benifit of it. It also seems to act as a passing lane too... and then gets clear again for the peopel who need to pass a slow poke. So from my perspective it's pretty good, since we lack the enforcement of slower traffic kept left type of rules.." ............................ Ok... So cops should be "wasting" their time enforcing "slower traffic keep left" rules, but not enforcing the HOV regulations, which you stated previously were a good thing. Basically, you want the world to revolve around you Danny, and when it doesn't, someone is a prick. I'm not saying that I've never broken the law, but when I have, I've paid my fines and and done my time without calling the cops pricks. Grow up and take responsibility for your actions. The fact that you (allegedly) did not know you were breaking the law is not an excuse for breaking the law. Consider the $50 tuition... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 14:10:40 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:10:33 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Aki Damme" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well.. it's too bad you didn't think like this originally! How convienient you give up, when it's time for you to admit you were wrong, and didn't understand that the HOV cop wasn't preventing HOV violators but instead was just revenue raising after the fact. p.s. isn't your response still a response? I guess you mean " I'll quit responding after I respond" LOL. That's okay.. you've picked an excellent time to shut up.. just when you were proved you don't know what your talking about and there is no way to back peddle out of it. I want to thank you for shutting up now. THANKS!!! have a nice day. - Danny On 4/8/06, Aki Damme wrote: > At 12:50 PM 4/8/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > Danny boy, I'm done with this. Not because I think you're right in any single > thing > you've so far babbled on but because I can't believe I've wasted as much time > and bandwidth on someone who is so indefinably stupid. > > -aki > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 14:18:19 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:18:11 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Thomas Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL just when I thought the thread was dying. On 4/8/06, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Remember when Danny said......................(June 3, 2002) > > "Why are HOV lanes silly? I kind of like them. They seem to flow > traffic when the regular lanes get backed up.. if they werent' HOV > lanes, then all the lanes would be backed up.. same congestion, just > wider. Plus as a motorcclists, i get to see the benifit of it. > > It also seems to act as a passing lane too... and then gets clear > again for the peopel who need to pass a slow poke. So from my > perspective it's pretty good, since we lack the enforcement of slower > traffic kept left type of rules.." > > > > ............................ > Ok... So cops should be "wasting" their time enforcing "slower traffic > keep left" rules, but not enforcing the HOV regulations, which you > stated previously were a good thing. Basically, you want the world to > revolve around you Danny, and when it doesn't, someone is a prick. First.. let me ask.. Do you think a cop sitting off the highway writing HOV tickets on peole who exit at the first stop is good highway traffic enforcement? IS that what you' are saying? Or are you tlaking out of your ass not having a clue as to the situation you're talking about? ( like another lister or two). Secondly, I want to thank you for quoting me. It shows my commitment to HOV lanes. Third, see below > I'm not saying that I've never broken the law, but when I have, I've > paid my fines and and done my time without calling the cops pricks. Did you break the law willfully or accidently? Was it a reasonable mistake or not? I have a hard time believing you hypocrites would not take my same position if in the same circumstance, even though you deny it. The time changed. 2 days earlier "4 p.m." felt like "3 p.m" all the same. The vehicle clock still said 3.p.m. Not having reference a clock any other time prior that day, I'd have no reason to remember the clock was off. It was an honest mistake that should have gotten a warning. Had it been you, you'd feel the same way. You saying the opposite is bullshit I believe. > Grow up and take responsibility for your actions. The fact that you > (allegedly) did not know you were breaking the law is not an excuse > for breaking the law. Consider the $50 tuition... Yes it is. I bet if you accidently broke a law without knowing, in reasonable circumstances, you'd feel you shoudln't get the penalty. Don't make me call you a liar. LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 14:43:55 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:43:48 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Damn! Whether you knew you were breaking the law or not, you broke the law. Period. On 4/8/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > First.. let me ask.. Do you think a cop sitting off the highway > writing HOV tickets on peole who exit at the first stop is good > highway traffic enforcement? Yes, I do. You were not legally allowed on that road at that time. Does it matter if he was sitting on an onramp or an offramp? No. Either way an offender would get caught. However, the theory is that an offender would know better than to commit the unlawful act a second time. That is why the fines increase with each offense. It is an incentive to not be a repeat offender. > Secondly, I want to thank you for quoting me. It shows my commitment > to HOV lanes. You're welcome, Danny. But you missed the point. > Did you break the law willfully or accidently? Was it a reasonable > mistake or not? > I have a hard time believing you hypocrites would not take my same position if > in the same circumstance, even though you deny it. Willingly or accidentally is irrelevant. A broken law is a broken law. Hypocrite? No. If I was ignorant enough to either go through 48 hours without knowing what time it was, or losing an hour in the middle of the afternoon without knowing it, I'd pay the fine and deal.... I'd be willing to bet that your computer automatically updates for DST. And your cell phone (if you have one) automatically updates for DST. So I really see this whole thing as ignorance and carelessness on your part. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 14:45:34 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:45:22 -0400 Sheesh! Even "Rage Against the Machine" broke up. And they had some talent... Danny will always be (self-) right (eous) so this will just continue to be a circular argument. And the only circles I'm interested in are the rubber ones that touch the road. Or maybe the small ones that Leon draws. I'm out! Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 15:05:06 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:22:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present On Sat, 8 Apr 2006, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Damn! Whether you knew you were breaking the law or not, you broke the > law. Period. Exactly. Ignorance is not a reasonable argument for breaking the law. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 16:24:26 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:24:15 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Wayne Edelen" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Then why do people win cases when they prove they were unaware? Obviously because reasonable people agree everyone shouldn't always be punished when there is circumstance to show that reasonable people would have taken the same action, and had no disregard for the law or the spirit of the law. This is why judges say not guilty, case dismissed etc. thus you guys are wrong. PERIOD. On 4/8/06, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006, Thomas Jordan wrote: > > > Damn! Whether you knew you were breaking the law or not, you broke the > > law. Period. > > Exactly. > > Ignorance is not a reasonable argument for breaking the law. > > -- Wayne > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 16:29:37 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:29:00 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Wayne Edelen" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For that matter, this is always why officers are allowed to give out warnings. Hell a cop caught me doing 94 in a 55 on route 50 west in MD when I first got my endorsement. I got a warning. Good cop. I wouldn't even have been mad if he had gave me a ticket i was guilty. I was polite.. as always. and it worked out. That's a good cop.. not being petty. I told him how I was trying to catch up with my friends because i took the wrong turn. The cop should have said "that's no emergency slow down here's your ticket" but hey he gave me a warning. I didn't endanger anyone. That's cool. Good cop. now a prick gave me a ticket when I made a reasonable mistake that he or anyone (as much as you might deny it) would make. He should have given a warning in order ot not risk wasting time in court. prick. :) ANd for those of you of the "well it evens out that's what you get".. yea yea yea... well for that matter I was going to fix a guys bike for free and he ended up giving me $50. It all evens out.. I can afford it.. but tha'ts not the point. The point is the cop should have issued a warning... wether it be me, you, or your grandmother, for that specific circumstance nad he's a prick for not doing so lol I will not stop about this :) not in my nature. Keep replying to see :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 16:46:06 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:45:59 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Were you traveling on a highway designated as HOV in a vehicle with no passengers? You are guilty of what you were charged with. No question. A plea of 'not guilty' would mean that you are claiming to not have been on that road (which is untrue because you got a ticket), or that at the time you were on the road, it was not HOV only (which you know it was). If a judge decides to feel sorry for you and dismiss the case, or the prosecuting attorney nolle prosses the charge, that's one thing... But you are guilty without any doubt. Your best bet is to approach the prosecuting attorney prior to the docket being called and discuss your options and defense. At least act like you feel bad about making the mistake, even if you don't. Don't go to them with the attitude that the cop is a prick who should have better things to do. But, just in case, bring your check book. -T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 16:55:26 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dammit, danny, why do you have to post from *multiple* email addresses? Now I have to edit that killfile I made. Shit. You're making my life too hard. --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Then why do people win cases when they prove they > were unaware? > > Obviously because reasonable people agree everyone > shouldn't always be > punished when there is circumstance to show that > reasonable people > would have taken the same action, and had no > disregard for the law or > the spirit of the law. > > This is why judges say not guilty, case dismissed > etc. > > thus you guys are wrong. PERIOD. > > On 4/8/06, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006, Thomas Jordan wrote: > > > > > Damn! Whether you knew you were breaking the law > or not, you broke the > > > law. Period. > > > > Exactly. > > > > Ignorance is not a reasonable argument for > breaking the law. > > > > -- Wayne > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 17:00:42 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present To: DC Cycles Nevermind. User error. Still, it was emotionally damaging to see additional messages after I (thought I) had kill-filed him. Time for a drink, I think. --- Brian Ray wrote: > Dammit, danny, why do you have to post from > *multiple* > email addresses? Now I have to edit that killfile I > made. > > Shit. > > You're making my life too hard. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 17:10:55 2006 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:28:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [dc-cycles] 2 jackets - 1 free, 1 FS Womens Kushitani lightweight summer leather jacket - size S http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/gear-fs/DSC05531_resize.JPG http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/gear-fs/DSC05533_resize.JPG http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/gear-fs/DSC05534_resize.JPG Reinforced leather in the elbows and shoulders. Worn once or twice, no idea what it cost new, probably purchased in 2000. $50 Men's Joe Rocket Ballstic jacket - size M http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/gear-fs/DSC05535_resize.JPG http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/gear-fs/DSC05536_resize.JPG http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/gear-fs/DSC05537_resize.JPG Light armor in the elbows and back. Some vents, zip in liner. Excellent condition. I think the jacket was purchased in 1996. Free, just come and pick it up. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 17:18:34 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:18:24 -0400 To: "Danny Motorcycle" From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 04:29 PM 4/8/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >.... That's a good cop.. not being petty. I >told him how I was trying to catch up with my friends because i took >the wrong turn. The cop should have said "that's no emergency slow >down here's your ticket" but hey he gave me a warning. I didn't >endanger anyone. That's cool. Good cop. No. He didn't just give you a warning because he didn't want to be "petty." He gave you a warning because in his appraisal a warning would be enough to deter you from doing that again. And the correctness of his action depends upon whether or not his appraisal was correct, not just because you thought it was "cool" and were happy that you received a gift. For that kind of speed, it's amazing that he gave you a warning. Personally, I'd question his competence. Be thankful that episode didn't happen in VA, where it would have constituted an egregious case of "reckless by speed." >now a prick gave me a ticket when I made a reasonable mistake that he >or anyone (as much as you might deny it) would make. He should have >given a warning in order ot not risk wasting time in court. prick. :) "Mistake," my ass. People are convicted of crimes every day because they made mistakes. People are convicted every day of violating laws they didn't even know existed. Some "mistakes" result in other people dying, and you have no control over whether or not your "mistake" is one of them. And, btw, your "mistake" was one only a true dumb-ass would have made, let alone admitted to making. And while I'm chiming in here, regarding earlier posts in this thread, you might look "hypocrisy" up in a dictionary -- you don't seem to know what the word means. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 8 19:14:55 2006 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,103,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="2140779513:sNHT20684192" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:14:39 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] HOV Violation Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:51:02 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Aki wrote: Norfolk had a great idea many years ago when I lived down there. First violation was $100 and each subsequent violation doubled from the previous violation.... $100 - $200 - $400 - $800 - $1600 and so on... I like the Atlanta HOV lanes, in effect 24/7. I would have loved to have seen something like the NYC mandatory HOV in city limits for rush hour go in to effect in DC. The only downside is that all three motorcycle parking spaces left in D.C. would then be filled up. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '03 CBR600RR '05 Big Ruckus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 00:43:36 2006 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:43:24 -0400 From: "Muse Verte" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation On 4/8/06, Stephen wrote: > And on the other side of it, think about all those times you sped or > turned right on a no-right-turn-on-red or followed too close or made an > unsafe manvoeuver etc. etc. but did NOT get caught. This is a little bit > like divine retribution for one, or some of those instances. Yes, and on the other side of that, think about all the times you saw a cop speeding without his lightbar flashing, or changing lanes without signalling, or tailgating on the highway, or ignoring a dangerous driver, or disrupting rush hour traffic to pull over some dude going a couple miles above the flow rate, or ... When I lived near a playground with a 25 MPH speed limit on the street, I used to see a speed trap set up by cops about once a month, and they'd pull people over for going 28. Every other day of the month, just about without fail, I'd see a cop car, no lights flashing, blasting down that same shortcut street at around 50. Cops are virtually useless in this society, except maybe as a big stick over the heads of the dumbest criminals. Something bad happens to you in Mt. Pleasant, which is fairly non-sketchy as DC neighborhoods go, but pretty poor? A) the cops aren't there, although they obviously should be around; B) you get to wait a half hour for one to show up, assuming you can get through to 911. They're probably out eating donuts or escorting motorcades or busting speeders, I guess. In general, cops are scum. They use their discretion every second of every shift, typically to avoid doing the hard thing while concentrating on whatever is easiest. At best, the police are glorified janitors, running around half cleaning up after the mess when a real crime is committed, one that was probably committed while they willfully looked the other way. I don't doubt that there are good cops out there, but I certainly haven't yet met one. Cops become cops because they want to be your daddy. (And to forestall the inevitable comment with some crap about how I should treat cops real nice-like and then I'll realize how they're wonderful people: believe me, I kiss cop ass with the best of them, and it's even gotten me off with a couple warnings over the years. Am I supposed to feel grateful? It's nothing but bullshit either way.) Sorry to rant, but all this talk about how cops "aren't pricks" because they are "just doing their job" is absurd. They have enormous latitude in how they do their job, and the path they choose generally reveals just what a pack of pricks they are. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 00:47:05 2006 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:46:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present At 4/8/2006 02:43 PM, Thomas Jordan wrote: >Damn! Whether you knew you were breaking the law or not, you broke the >law. Period. Right. Negligence can cost you money just as much as willful disregard can. How much longer are you guys going to keep giving Danny the attention he craves? -- Mike B. -- Winning an argument with someone on the Internet is like being in the Special Olympics; you may have won, but you're still retarded. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 00:57:03 2006 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:55:16 -0400 To: From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present At 4/8/2006 03:22 PM, Wayne Edelen wrote: >Ignorance is not a reasonable argument for breaking the law. There are arguments that might be made against this view. Ignorance not being an excuse is, from what I understand, something we got from English Common Law, where the idea was that the law was so obvious that a reasonable man, acting as such, would never violate it whether he knew of its existence or not, therefore not knowing about a law was not an excuse. Back when the law banned things like killing people, stealing their property and generally disrupting society, that made sense. Today when the law bans things like filing your 1040 form on April 30 rather than the 15th, or burning dead leaves in your back yard, or depreciating equipment too fast for the schedule it appears on, I'm not sure the law can make the same claim and still be considered reasonable or rational. There's very little that's "obvious" about most of the laws on the books these days, and even those who work in the legal professions don't know about all the laws we live under. But that wouldn't be a motorcycle discussion, so I won't bring it up... -- Mike B. -- "Justice is incidental to law and order." -- J Edgar Hoover From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 10:27:09 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:26:56 -0400 Smells like troll bait... I mean nobody can actually believe that spew, can they? Sheesh! I think I'll just go ahead and add the green muse to *my* killfile and avoid the rush... Perry >From: "Muse Verte" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:43:24 -0400 > >On 4/8/06, Stephen wrote: > > And on the other side of it, think about all those times you sped or > > turned right on a no-right-turn-on-red or followed too close or made an > > unsafe manvoeuver etc. etc. but did NOT get caught. This is a little bit > > like divine retribution for one, or some of those instances. > >Yes, and on the other side of that, think about all the times you saw >a cop speeding without his lightbar flashing, or changing lanes >without signalling, or tailgating on the highway, or ignoring a >dangerous driver, or disrupting rush hour traffic to pull over some >dude going a couple miles above the flow rate, or ... When I lived >near a playground with a 25 MPH speed limit on the street, I used to >see a speed trap set up by cops about once a month, and they'd pull >people over for going 28. Every other day of the month, just about >without fail, I'd see a cop car, no lights flashing, blasting down >that same shortcut street at around 50. > >Cops are virtually useless in this society, except maybe as a big >stick over the heads of the dumbest criminals. Something bad happens >to you in Mt. Pleasant, which is fairly non-sketchy as DC >neighborhoods go, but pretty poor? A) the cops aren't there, although >they obviously should be around; B) you get to wait a half hour for >one to show up, assuming you can get through to 911. They're probably >out eating donuts or escorting motorcades or busting speeders, I >guess. > >In general, cops are scum. They use their discretion every second of >every shift, typically to avoid doing the hard thing while >concentrating on whatever is easiest. At best, the police are >glorified janitors, running around half cleaning up after the mess >when a real crime is committed, one that was probably committed while >they willfully looked the other way. I don't doubt that there are >good cops out there, but I certainly haven't yet met one. Cops become >cops because they want to be your daddy. (And to forestall the >inevitable comment with some crap about how I should treat cops real >nice-like and then I'll realize how they're wonderful people: believe >me, I kiss cop ass with the best of them, and it's even gotten me off >with a couple warnings over the years. Am I supposed to feel >grateful? It's nothing but bullshit either way.) > >Sorry to rant, but all this talk about how cops "aren't pricks" >because they are "just doing their job" is absurd. They have enormous >latitude in how they do their job, and the path they choose generally >reveals just what a pack of pricks they are. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 10:28:57 2006 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:28:49 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: DC-Cycles , LDRiders , gsx1100g@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [VStrom2] Bad, bad news...Rider down Cross posted from the VStrom2 list at Yahoo: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tom Bellhouse Date: Apr 9, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: [VStrom2] Bad, bad news...Rider down To: VStrom2@XXXXXX I just got a phone call from a friend who co-teaches riding with Larry Grodsky, author of the "Stayin' Safe" series in Rider magazine. My friend told me that Grodsky was killed last night in Texas, riding a bike back from California that he had bought. He evidently hit a deer. Somtimes life sucks. Tom '02#932 -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 11:35:34 2006 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:35:24 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Thomas Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/8/06, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Were you traveling on a highway designated as HOV in a vehicle with no > passengers? You are guilty of what you were charged with. No question. > A plea of 'not guilty' would mean that you are claiming to not have > been on that road (which is untrue because you got a ticket), or that > at the time you were on the road, it was not HOV only (which you know > it was). If a judge decides to feel sorry for you and dismiss the > case, or the prosecuting attorney nolle prosses the charge, that's one > thing... But you are guilty without any doubt. Your best bet is to > approach the prosecuting attorney prior to the docket being called and > discuss your options and defense. At least act like you feel bad about > making the mistake, even if you don't. Don't go to them with the > attitude that the cop is a prick who should have better things to do. > But, just in case, bring your check book. Of course I won't go in there with any attitude. I save that for list griping. I am alwayspolite when dealing with officers, DA's, and judges. (did you guys forget about my endo story where the judge threw out reckless endangerment merely asking the cop if I gave him any hassle, and the cop said no?) when I go to court I do intend to say that I was indeed in the HOV lane at 4 p.m. without occupants in violation of the law, albeit unknowingly. Followed by a short apology. Hopefully the prosecutor won't be one of those pricks that say "you're not a lawyer i won't talk to you". Who carries checkbooks any more? I'll bring cash and credit. Thanks for the good advice. -D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 11:36:24 2006 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:36:17 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Brian Ray" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmm I just got a good idea . LOL On 4/8/06, Brian Ray wrote: > Dammit, danny, why do you have to post from *multiple* > email addresses? Now I have to edit that killfile I > made. > > Shit. > > You're making my life too hard. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 11:37:13 2006 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:37:05 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Brian Ray" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: "DC Cycles" LOL.. so not only does go beyond merely thinking ti to himself.. he posts it to the list vs me lol On 4/8/06, Brian Ray wrote: > Nevermind. User error. > > Still, it was emotionally damaging to see additional > messages after I (thought I) had kill-filed him. > > Time for a drink, I think. > > --- Brian Ray wrote: > > > Dammit, danny, why do you have to post from > > *multiple* > > email addresses? Now I have to edit that killfile I > > made. > > > > Shit. > > > > You're making my life too hard. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 11:59:00 2006 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:58:53 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/8/06, ll wrote: > At 04:29 PM 4/8/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >.... That's a good cop.. not being petty. I > >told him how I was trying to catch up with my friends because i took > >the wrong turn. The cop should have said "that's no emergency slow > >down here's your ticket" but hey he gave me a warning. I didn't > >endanger anyone. That's cool. Good cop. > > No. He didn't just give you a warning because he didn't want to be "petty." > He gave you a warning because in his appraisal a warning would be enough to > deter you from doing that again. Oh look.. we have another list mind reader!!!! What's your phone number I want to call you whenever I need to read the mind of someone giving me hassles. Can I call you in late may to read the DA and judges mind? lol Since you weren't there, I was, and I know other factors involved, (and you obviously don't but for some reason still wish to pretend you knwo everything) let me tell you, that I think you are wrong and full of shit. You, like some of the other listers, who were also not there, don't know what you are talking about, should stop preposing to know why certain events happen. You really only show your own ignorance talking about somethign in which you are wrong on the facts. >And the correctness of his action depends > upon whether or not his appraisal was correct, not just because you thought > it was "cool" and were happy that you received a gift. Wrong again. He was within protocal. Ticket or warning was his option and therefore if he did one or the other, he was within his options and thefor correct. Who are you to question this officer's job performance (lol). There was no wrong option between the two. That's his discretion. Contrary to your statement, the correctness of his action does not depend on anything. > For that kind of speed, it's amazing that he gave you a warning. > Personally, I'd question his competence. You'd rather pricks like some of the VA state police? me personally I'd rather have easy going cops who can deferentiate serious and non serious situations. The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.. at least with easy going cops, the system can consume less decent people. > Be thankful that episode didn't happen in VA, where it would have > constituted an egregious case of "reckless by speed." I assure you there is neither a need to be thankful that it didnt' happen in VA, nor a need for you to tell me what I need to be thankful for. You're probably wondering why I say this, because I wouldn't have done it in VA. Does not everyone already know, VA will hang you high, therefor either stick to the speed limit.. or... don't get caught breaking the law. > >now a prick gave me a ticket when I made a reasonable mistake that he > >or anyone (as much as you might deny it) would make. He should have > >given a warning in order ot not risk wasting time in court. prick. :) > > "Mistake," my ass. I guess it figures your ass was a mistake. lol. It was a mistake, wether you acknowledge it or not.. which means nothing btw. >People are convicted of crimes every day because they > made mistakes. People are convicted every day of violating laws they didn't > even know existed. Some "mistakes" result in other people dying, and you > have no control over whether or not your "mistake" is one of them. SO you're saying if you're driving the speed limit in a residential neighborhood, looking out for kids, animals etc etc, and still a kid jumps between two cars and you kill him, you should go to jail for something you had no intention of doing, yet happened? You surely didn't hit the kid on purpose, it was your unintentional action. It was a mistake. Dont' sit here and bullshit us, you agree, even if you say you don't I know you agree, some mistakes are forgivable and should not be convictions for crimes. > And, btw, your "mistake" was one only a true dumb-ass would have made, let > alone admitted to making. So you're saying you're a dumb ass but you just are so self conscious you'd be embarrased to admit your mistakes. I know you lose track of time. I'm pretty sure you're human. So why don't you cut the self righteous hypocritical bullshit. > And while I'm chiming in here, regarding earlier posts in this thread, you > might look "hypocrisy" up in a dictionary -- you don't seem to know what > the word means. > > -- Larry Riiiiiiight.. *I* don't know what it means. Why are you even responding? most people want this thread to go away and here you offer what.. the same old bullshit. What good is that? Why bother post? Was you're post containing some new and undiscovered angle? I dont 'think so. Thanks for posting. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 12:01:47 2006 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:01:40 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV, past and present Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 4/9/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 4/8/2006 02:43 PM, Thomas Jordan wrote: > >Damn! Whether you knew you were breaking the law or not, you broke the > >law. Period. > > Right. Negligence can cost you money just as much as willful disregard can. Keyword: CAN. This is not a hard and steadfast rule. > How much longer are you guys going to keep giving Danny the attention he > craves? Maybe they crave it as much as I do. Takes two to tango. btw you're posting too aren't you? > -- Mike B. > -- > Winning an argument with someone on the Internet is like being in the > Special Olympics; you may have won, but you're still retarded. ROTFL. Yea so I guess in the end, you giving up, it makes you a retarded loser! LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 9 12:20:52 2006 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:20:45 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] HOV violations & va state police On 4/9/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 4/8/2006 03:22 PM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >Ignorance is not a reasonable argument for breaking the law. > > There are arguments that might be made against this view. Ignorance not > being an excuse is, from what I understand, something we got from English > Common Law, where the idea was that the law was so obvious that a > reasonable man, acting as such, would never violate it whether he knew of > its existence or not, therefore not knowing about a law was not an > excuse. Back when the law banned things like killing people, stealing > their property and generally disrupting society, that made sense. Today > when the law bans things like filing your 1040 form on April 30 rather than > the 15th, or burning dead leaves in your back yard, or depreciating > equipment too fast for the schedule it appears on, I'm not sure the law can > make the same claim and still be considered reasonable or > rational. There's very little that's "obvious" about most of the laws on > the books these days, and even those who work in the legal professions > don't know about all the laws we live under. > > But that wouldn't be a motorcycle discussion, so I won't bring it up... > > -- Mike B. > -- > "Justice is incidental to law and order." -- J Edgar Hoover See.. I knew if I kept up the fight long enough... I'm glad you said it. I hate those universal accepted but wrong, now antiquated "slogans". "ignorance of the law is no excuse" "speed kills". More people need to question the validity of what they are told. THey just want to bend over, let the world have it's way and degenerate. Am I the only one here who thinks VA state police should have a unit parked around the "non HOV traffic must exit" last exit ramp? (to yeild violators back off HOV)? And if I'm not the only one who thinks that... what would it take to get VA to put a unit there (around rush hour). Me thinks VA would not post a unit there because VA wants HOV violators, so they can continue get revenue off of them. Making the violators scarce would dry up a revenue stream. What do you guys think? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 09:18:22 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:18:05 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violations & va state police Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Am I the only one here who thinks VA state police should have a unit > parked around the "non HOV traffic must exit" last exit ramp? (to > yeild violators back off HOV)? And if I'm not the only one who > thinks that... what would it take to get VA to put a unit there > (around rush hour). Me thinks VA would not post a unit there because > VA wants HOV violators, so they can continue get revenue off of them. > Making the violators scarce would dry up a revenue stream. What do > you guys think? > OMG, I'm replying to this, this... this horrible thread. On route 95's HOV lanes are regularly patrolled and enforced. By regularly I mean almost daily by VA state and Fairfax county police. And they ticket for various reasons, speeding, inspection, and HOV violations. From my experience, VA State police are never lenient. Honest mistake, maybe, but you got caught, pay the fine and shutup. Tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 12:15:13 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:15:05 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violations & va state police Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Tom.. we're not talking about me now.. we're talking about HOV violators, and dissuading them by parking a unit at a specific place. Please pay attention to what you should have read, and retained, and what you quoted. If you cannot pay attention to the actual words that are there, I ask that you continue to not respond to my threads. Thank you. On 4/10/06, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > Am I the only one here who thinks VA state police should have a unit > > parked around the "non HOV traffic must exit" last exit ramp? (to > > yeild violators back off HOV)? And if I'm not the only one who > > thinks that... what would it take to get VA to put a unit there > > (around rush hour). Me thinks VA would not post a unit there because > > VA wants HOV violators, so they can continue get revenue off of them. > > Making the violators scarce would dry up a revenue stream. What do > > you guys think? > > > OMG, I'm replying to this, this... this horrible thread. On route 95's > HOV lanes are regularly patrolled and enforced. By regularly I mean > almost daily by VA state and Fairfax county police. And they ticket for > various reasons, speeding, inspection, and HOV violations. From my > experience, VA State police are never lenient. Honest mistake, maybe, > but you got caught, pay the fine and shutup. > > > Tom de > ST1300 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 12:34:37 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violations & va state police Content-ID: <460.1144686871.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:34:31 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos I think we might have exhausted all the subtle nuances of this topic, particularly given that, as far as I know, you'd need to mount a pair of extra wheels on your motorcycle for The Man to oppress you with an HOV violation. As always, interested parties are cheerfully encouraged to continue bitch-slapping, albeit via private email. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 12:48:21 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-ID: <546.1144687692.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:48:12 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos Subject: [dc-cycles] Nabble I just tripped over this recently: http://www.nabble.com/DC-Motocycle-f13858.html Besides their inability to spell the word "motorcycle", this is a google-wannabe start-up company that's going about and subscribing to various email lists, and providing a 2-way web interface and an archive. You can, in theory, post from there, though I haven't tried it. My usual first reaction when I see stuff like this just pop up with no communication (they certainly didn't ask for permission to provide this service) is to jump up and down and screech incoherently in an ape-like fashion, kinda like that scene in 2001 Space Odyssey. My second reaction, though, is that I'm failing to think of a reason right now why this is a problem. I'd be happy to be reminded of such a reason, if anybody can think of one, and try to squish it. Until then, some of us might find some value in this. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 12:55:22 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-ID: <627.1144688115.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:55:15 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Nabble >I just tripped over this recently: >http://www.nabble.com/DC-Motocycle-f13858.html Apparently "DC-Motocycle" is a conglomeration of multiple DC "motocycle" lists, the place to find just our own list is here: http://www.nabble.com/DC-Cycle-List-f13861.html -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 13:52:46 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [VStrom2] Bad, bad news...Rider down Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:56:23 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: This really stinks. I have been reading his articles in "Rider" for many years. He trained King Hussein of Jordan to ride a motorcycle amongst many others. He truly will be missed. My prayers go out to his family and friends. Cedric Cross posted from the VStrom2 list at Yahoo: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tom Bellhouse Date: Apr 9, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: [VStrom2] Bad, bad news...Rider down To: VStrom2@XXXXXX I just got a phone call from a friend who co-teaches riding with Larry Grodsky, author of the "Stayin' Safe" series in Rider magazine. My friend told me that Grodsky was killed last night in Texas, riding a bike back from California that he had bought. He evidently hit a deer. Somtimes life sucks. Tom '02#932 -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 13:57:58 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:01:38 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Hybrids I didn't want to use "HOV" in the title because 99% of the list members would probably delete it by now, but an interesting article on how both DC and LA are finding hybrids clog the HOV lanes. http://ktla.trb.com/news/la-me-hybrids10apr10,0,3851412.story?coll=ktla- news-1 Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "It's not hard to meet expenses... they're everywhere" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 14:37:31 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:37:13 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hybrids Interesting article, with factual inaccuracies. The restriction for allowing hybrids to use HOV is only on I-95 and I-395. No problems -- and hybrids are still fully allowed in HOV -- on I-66. "In other action, Kaine extended into 2007 legislation that lets solo drivers of hybrid vehicles use certain HOV lanes. Hybrid cars bought after July 1, 2006, won't be exempt, however, because of Northern Virginia motorists' complaints that too many of these vehicles clog express lanes during rush hour. The bill is limited to Interstates 95 and 395." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/07/AR2006040701103.html?sub=AR ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Cedric Bernescut" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:01:38 -0400 >I didn't want to use "HOV" in the title because 99% of the list members >would probably delete it by now, but an interesting article on how both >DC and LA are finding hybrids clog the HOV lanes. >http://ktla.trb.com/news/la-me-hybrids10apr10,0,3851412.story?coll=ktla- >news-1 > >Cedric >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA >"It's not hard to meet expenses... they're everywhere" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 15:14:23 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:14:16 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hybrids > ...hybrid vehicles use certain HOV lanes. Hybrid cars > bought after July 1, 2006, won't be exempt... How will they be able to tell? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 15:21:25 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:21:17 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hybrids Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Presumably, newer hybrids won't be issued the special "CF" tags allowing HOV use. I have pondered why hybrids that burn the same old gasoline you and I burn in our motos get "clean fuel" tags in the first place. I thought those would be for true electric cars (rare) or CNG vehicles (less rare, at least in fleet operations.) On 4/10/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > ...hybrid vehicles use certain HOV lanes. Hybrid cars > > bought after July 1, 2006, won't be exempt... > > How will they be able to tell? > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 15:38:15 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Hybrids Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:41:57 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: I'm guessing that they won't issue any more of those hybrid plates. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hybrids > ...hybrid vehicles use certain HOV lanes. Hybrid cars > bought after July 1, 2006, won't be exempt... How will they be able to tell? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 15:38:43 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:38:30 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Any ideas on a loaner? My younger brother (31) is coming to town to spend a week with me. He rides an 04 R6 but is flying down. I would love to go riding with him. I have an R1 he can use but don't have a second bike just yet. Any ideas on where\how I could rent a bike for a few days? thanks Julian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 16:16:42 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Any ideas on a loaner? On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Julian Halton wrote: > > My younger brother (31) is coming to town to spend a week with me. He > rides an 04 R6 but is flying down. I would love to go riding with him. > I have an R1 he can use but don't have a second bike just yet. Any > ideas on where\how I could rent a bike for a few days? > Hardley Ableson dealers rent bikes. The one here in Frederick will rent Buells, which should be a decent sportbike rental for the weekend. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 16:23:18 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:24:31 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Any ideas on a loaner? At 4/10/2006 03:38 PM, Julian Halton wrote: > >Any ideas on where\how I could rent a bike for a few days? > Some Harley dealers rent bikes...Frederick for instance. Don't know about Patriot. I don't think Battley's does. -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 16:25:23 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:42:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Any ideas on a loaner? On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > My younger brother (31) is coming to town to spend a week with me. He > > rides an 04 R6 but is flying down. I would love to go riding with him. > > I have an R1 he can use but don't have a second bike just yet. Any > > ideas on where\how I could rent a bike for a few days? > > > > Hardley Ableson dealers rent bikes. The one here in Frederick will rent > Buells, which should be a decent sportbike rental for the weekend. I am mistaken. I think that they used to rent Buells, but now it's HD only - http://www.hdoffrederick.com/Rentals/rentals.htm -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 17:59:53 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:59:47 -0400 From: "Muse Verte" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Yeah. Or maybe you could try living in DC outside of the nice parts of NW and take your own bullet while the cops are off jerking it? Mr. "executiveboard.com." Eat me. Being a police officer is far from the most dangerous job in town, but it has fantastic fringe benefits for dumbasses with inferiority complexes. If you'd like to be more accurate, rephrase your dumb line to something like, "Then get out there and get in a highway car accident yourself," since that's where the majority of cop-dying gets done. Maybe if they spent a more time looking for and going after dangerous criminals they'd be a little less likely to wreck their vehicles, a little more likely to take a bullet and a lot more worthy of any particular respect. On 4/9/06, Ambrosio, Dominic wrote: > Then get out there and take a bullet yourself. Its real easy to knock it > while you sit back and watch from the sidelines. > I could care less about the "cops are pricks" thread, but when I read this > BS, I have no choice but to interject. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 19:32:28 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:32:17 -0400 To: "Cedric Bernescut" , From: ll Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [VStrom2] Bad, bad news...Rider down Damn, that's terrible, and the irony is most unwelcome. Grodsky was one of the two writers who have made Rider the number one motorcycling magazine for me for many years. He was someone who was truly irreplaceable, and he will definitely be missed. -- Larry At 01:56 PM 4/10/2006, Cedric Bernescut wrote: >This really stinks. I have been reading his articles in "Rider" for >many years. He trained King Hussein of Jordan to ride a motorcycle >amongst many others. He truly will be missed. My prayers go out to his >family and friends. >Cedric > >Cross posted from the VStrom2 list at Yahoo: > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Tom Bellhouse > >I just got a phone call from a friend who co-teaches riding with Larry >Grodsky, author of the "Stayin' Safe" series in Rider magazine. My >friend told me that Grodsky was killed last night in Texas, riding a >bike back from California that he had bought. He evidently hit a deer. > >Somtimes life sucks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 20:35:58 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Content-ID: <2976.1144715747.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:35:47 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >... Eat me... I'm happy to say that in the 15 years or so that this list has been around, I've never resorted to kicking anybody off the list. I've also never had to call anybody's mommy to report them. I'd really appreciate everybody's help in keeping both of these streaks alive. Thanks, -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 20:57:09 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Scooter Repair I have been saddled with a 50cc chinese two-stroke scooter that doesn't currently run. I would like to sell it this spring but I don't have time to try to figure out what's wrong with it. Can anyone recommend a shop that does inexpensive work on scooters? Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 21:24:32 2006 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,109,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="17697740:sNHT18496989" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOV violation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:24:14 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: Party pooper. How bout them Mets. Uhhhh motorcycles, How bout them Motorcycles. -----Original Message----- From: Harry Mantakos [mailto:harry@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOV violation >... Eat me... I'm happy to say that in the 15 years or so that this list has been around, I've never resorted to kicking anybody off the list. I've also never had to call anybody's mommy to report them. I'd really appreciate everybody's help in keeping both of these streaks alive. Thanks, -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 10 22:58:49 2006 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:59:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Scooter Repair To: Adam Reinhardt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" I ran across the following on craigslist. Let me know if he's good. --garcia ----------------------------------------------- Reply to: sale-148778816@XXXXXX Date: 2006-04-06, 1:51PM EDT Spring is here! Has your scooter been sitting all winter and now it won't start? Or is it simply in need of a tune and service and little love? Experienced scooter mechanic available for general maintenance and repair of most modern and vintage scooters. I specialize in Honda,Yamaha,Piagio(Vespa),Kymco,and Aprilia. I will also work on some of the off-brand Chinese and Korean brands that you typically buy on the internet or at Pep Boys, depending on parts availability. I work out of my garage in Falls Church and offer free pick-up and delivery covering the District and Northern VA. I offer free estimates for any scooter, and my labor rate is $40.00/Hr. Thanks! --------------------------------------- Adam Reinhardt writes: >I have been saddled with a 50cc chinese two-stroke >scooter that doesn't currently run. I would like to >sell it this spring but I don't have time to try to >figure out what's wrong with it. Can anyone recommend >a shop that does inexpensive work on scooters? > >Thanks > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 00:02:53 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:02:43 -0400 To: "Cedric Bernescut" , From: ll Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: Bad, bad news...Rider down Rider Report Lawrence Grodsky It is with great sadness that we announce the loss of Lawrence "Larry" Grodsky, a Rider magazine columnist and contributor since 1988. Grodsky, age 55, of Squirrel Hill, Pennsylvania died Saturday, April 8, 2006 when the motorcycle he was riding at night in Texas struck a deer. He was the son of Harold and Violet Grodsky of Monroeville, PA; and brother of Marcia Grodsky of Pittsburgh. Larry is also survived by his dear friend Mary Ann Puglisi, as well as aunts, uncles, cousins and many friends. Our heartfelt condolences go out to all who share his loss. A funeral service will be held Tuesday, April 11 at 2 pm in the chapel of the Burton L. Hirsch Funeral Home, Inc. 2704 Murray Avenue, Squirrel Hill, PA (412) 521-2600. Visitation is one hour prior to the service (1-2 PM). Interment will be at Temple Sinai Memorial Park. Memorial contributions in Larry's memory may be made to a charity of the donor's choice. Please post online condolences at www.post-gazette.com/gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 08:27:03 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:26:51 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Grodsky, RIP It's in the paper: http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06100/681018-100.stm http://www.legacy.com/postgazette/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=17387267 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 10:37:32 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar To: dc DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike for sale Motorcycle for sale. 2001 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-9R, black/red The mileage is 22,430, but that's almost all highway miles since I used to commute on the bike. It's in excellent condition and pretty much stock mechanically. Aftermarket items are: frame sliders, heated grips, rear tire hugger, and tank bra. I have all the service records and I just changed the oil and gave it a bath this weekend so she's ready to go! $4800 OBO. If interested, please call me at 703-201-8909, or email me at pkarandi@XXXXXX and I can send you some pics. Thanks! --Paresh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 19:24:40 2006 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Bad, bad news...Rider down Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:24:46 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" This only makes me more afraid of deer. They've scared me many times, and I really believe it's only luck that's prevented a collision. On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:02 AM, ll wrote: > Rider Report > > Lawrence Grodsky > It is with great sadness that we announce the loss of Lawrence "Larry" > Grodsky, a Rider magazine columnist and contributor since 1988. > Grodsky, age 55, of Squirrel Hill, Pennsylvania died Saturday, April 8, > 2006 when the motorcycle he was riding at night in Texas struck a deer. > He was the son of Harold and Violet Grodsky of Monroeville, PA; and > brother of Marcia Grodsky of Pittsburgh. Larry is also survived by his > dear friend Mary Ann Puglisi, as well as aunts, uncles, cousins and > many friends. Our heartfelt condolences go out to all who share his > loss. > > A funeral service will be held Tuesday, April 11 at 2 pm in the chapel > of the Burton L. Hirsch Funeral Home, Inc. 2704 Murray Avenue, Squirrel > Hill, PA (412) 521-2600. Visitation is one hour prior to the service > (1-2 PM). Interment will be at Temple Sinai Memorial Park. Memorial > contributions in Larry's memory may be made to a charity of the donor's > choice. Please post online condolences at www.post-gazette.com/gb > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 19:30:01 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:29:54 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: DC-Cycles , LDRiders Subject: [dc-cycles] Your tax dollars at work: Fwd: [VStrom2] NVSC : Cop shoots self in foot, sues agency From the VStrom2 group @ yahoo: * * * * * * * * * * * * Have you seen the video where a cop speaking to a bunch of kids about guns and drugs shoots himself in the foot, immediately after explaining that he was the only one in the room professional enough to handle the weapon? I found it here http://www.1wit.com/clips/clips.htm but it is all over the place. Just Google for it. Now the cop in question is suing the DEA for releasing the video. Here's the paperwork: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html Only in America can you shoot your dumb-ass self in the foot and claim to be the victim. BTW, as a gun owner, I take exception to his claim of an "accidental discharge". Unless he is claiming that the gun had a mechanical failure (he isn't) then there is no accidental discharge. The gun went off because he pulled the fucking trigger. That's what the gun's supposed to do. Thought it was funny. Glad no one else was hurt. * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 19:55:41 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:55:34 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Your tax dollars at work: Fwd: [VStrom2] NVSC : Cop shoots self in foot, sues agency Cc: DC-Cycles , LDRiders what a prick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 21:04:38 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:04:31 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Your tax dollars at work: Fwd: [VStrom2] NVSC : Cop shoots self in foot, sues agency Finally, Danny says something that is funny. On 4/11/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > what a prick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 21:09:02 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:08:45 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: Bad, bad news...Rider down Larry helped me with a beginning kickstart and surely lengthened the lives and the number of smiles of many. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > R.I.P. Mr. Larry Grodsky Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 11 21:32:42 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Your tax dollars at work: Fwd: [VStrom2] NVSC : Cop shoots self in foot, sues agency Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:32:39 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7965c70c06917b758a3c8f45d87c911d2b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I think MJ is the only one on this list QUALIFIED to comment on this ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles; LDRiders Subject: [dc-cycles] Your tax dollars at work: Fwd: [VStrom2] NVSC : Cop shoots self in foot, sues agency From the VStrom2 group @ yahoo: * * * * * * * * * * * * Have you seen the video where a cop speaking to a bunch of kids about guns and drugs shoots himself in the foot, immediately after explaining that he was the only one in the room professional enough to handle the weapon? I found it here http://www.1wit.com/clips/clips.htm but it is all over the place. Just Google for it. Now the cop in question is suing the DEA for releasing the video. Here's the paperwork: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html Only in America can you shoot your dumb-ass self in the foot and claim to be the victim. BTW, as a gun owner, I take exception to his claim of an "accidental discharge". Unless he is claiming that the gun had a mechanical failure (he isn't) then there is no accidental discharge. The gun went off because he pulled the fucking trigger. That's what the gun's supposed to do. Thought it was funny. Glad no one else was hurt. * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 07:31:02 2006 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:30:44 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] ammunition Take my beautiful bike out for a nice afternoon cruise. I end up at Harry's Tap Room in Arlington - a great sirloin dinner for 17 dollars. I park in my usual spot - across the street at the tail end of the last parking spot making sure to leave considerable room for any cars. Nice dinner, brief chat, feeling a little bummed out I decide to head off. For the first time ever, I see a parking ticket scrunched up and placed beside my handle bars. Not an ordinary ticket - this is one issued by Arlington's finest. I look at the badge number # 888 and see a name that is a synonym for Rock. The individual in question is part of the motorcycle squad, have worked with him at various Ballston outdoor events and he wrote me the only ticket I ever got on a bike way back when three years ago in January, I was freezing and accelerated off a traffic light too quickly. Turns out that he stopped his cruiser and took the time to write me a 40 dollar ticket. Thanks Nick! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 07:58:16 2006 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 04:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ammunition To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX With a name like Nick, he MUST be a prick! ;-) Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Take my beautiful bike out for a nice afternoon > cruise. I end up at > Harry's Tap Room in Arlington - a great sirloin > dinner for 17 dollars. > I park in my usual spot - across the street at the > tail end of the last > parking spot making sure to leave considerable room > for any cars. > > Nice dinner, brief chat, feeling a little bummed out > I decide to head > off. For the first time ever, I see a parking > ticket scrunched up and > placed beside my handle bars. Not an ordinary ticket > - this is one > issued by Arlington's finest. > > I look at the badge number # 888 and see a name that > is a synonym for > Rock. The individual in question is part of the > motorcycle squad, have > worked with him at various Ballston outdoor events > and he wrote me the > only ticket I ever got on a bike way back when three > years ago in > January, I was freezing and accelerated off a > traffic light too quickly. > > Turns out that he stopped his cruiser and took the > time to write me a 40 > dollar ticket. > > Thanks Nick! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 08:24:39 2006 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] ammunition Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:24:24 -0400 Why'd you get the ticket? Was this durring the time you have to feed the meters? For not being parked in a parking spot? >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DC-Cycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] ammunition >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:30:44 -0400 > > >Take my beautiful bike out for a nice afternoon cruise. I end up at >Harry's Tap Room in Arlington - a great sirloin dinner for 17 dollars. >I park in my usual spot - across the street at the tail end of the last >parking spot making sure to leave considerable room for any cars. > >Nice dinner, brief chat, feeling a little bummed out I decide to head >off. For the first time ever, I see a parking ticket scrunched up and >placed beside my handle bars. Not an ordinary ticket - this is one >issued by Arlington's finest. > >I look at the badge number # 888 and see a name that is a synonym for >Rock. The individual in question is part of the motorcycle squad, have >worked with him at various Ballston outdoor events and he wrote me the >only ticket I ever got on a bike way back when three years ago in >January, I was freezing and accelerated off a traffic light too quickly. > >Turns out that he stopped his cruiser and took the time to write me a 40 >dollar ticket. > >Thanks Nick! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 08:41:52 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] ammunition Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:41:39 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "rich hall" , For not being parked completely in the spot. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] ammunition Why'd you get the ticket? Was this durring the time you have to feed the meters? For not being parked in a parking spot? >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DC-Cycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] ammunition >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:30:44 -0400 > > >Take my beautiful bike out for a nice afternoon cruise. I end up at >Harry's Tap Room in Arlington - a great sirloin dinner for 17 dollars. >I park in my usual spot - across the street at the tail end of the last >parking spot making sure to leave considerable room for any cars. > >Nice dinner, brief chat, feeling a little bummed out I decide to head >off. For the first time ever, I see a parking ticket scrunched up and >placed beside my handle bars. Not an ordinary ticket - this is one >issued by Arlington's finest. > >I look at the badge number # 888 and see a name that is a synonym for >Rock. The individual in question is part of the motorcycle squad, >have worked with him at various Ballston outdoor events and he wrote me >the only ticket I ever got on a bike way back when three years ago in >January, I was freezing and accelerated off a traffic light too quickly. > >Turns out that he stopped his cruiser and took the time to write me a >40 dollar ticket. > >Thanks Nick! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 09:02:15 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] ammunition Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:02:02 -0400 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" To: "Glenn Dysart" , Yet another reason I don't ride in VA. Too fast off of a light? Now that's a prick. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ammunition With a name like Nick, he MUST be a prick! ;-) Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Take my beautiful bike out for a nice afternoon > cruise. I end up at > Harry's Tap Room in Arlington - a great sirloin > dinner for 17 dollars. > I park in my usual spot - across the street at the > tail end of the last > parking spot making sure to leave considerable room > for any cars. > > Nice dinner, brief chat, feeling a little bummed out > I decide to head > off. For the first time ever, I see a parking > ticket scrunched up and > placed beside my handle bars. Not an ordinary ticket > - this is one > issued by Arlington's finest. > > I look at the badge number # 888 and see a name that > is a synonym for > Rock. The individual in question is part of the > motorcycle squad, have > worked with him at various Ballston outdoor events > and he wrote me the > only ticket I ever got on a bike way back when three > years ago in > January, I was freezing and accelerated off a > traffic light too quickly. > > Turns out that he stopped his cruiser and took the > time to write me a 40 > dollar ticket. > > Thanks Nick! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 09:17:43 2006 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:17:35 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [E]" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ammunition Cc: "Glenn Dysart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Yet another reason I don't ride in VA. Too fast off of a light? Now > that's a prick. If you think that's bad, you should see how Maryland cops respond to my Kimber .45. That's why I don't ride in Maryland. ;-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 09:18:35 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] ammunition Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:22:18 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: I think they call it "Exhibition of Speed", at least they did in California. Or so I'm told. Interestingly enough, in California they could ticket you for being a spectator at a street race, as well. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [E] [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] ammunition Yet another reason I don't ride in VA. Too fast off of a light? Now that's a prick. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 13:09:14 2006 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:08:57 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] from today's Post Don't drink and ride. ========== http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101396.html Early one morning last week I was leaving a bar in Herndon when I heard a tremendous bang behind me. I turned around to see a motorcycle on its side in the middle of the street. It was one of those extremely fast bikes -- "crotch rockets," they call them. The driver was face down in the road, the face shield torn from his helmet. I ran into the street and stopped the traffic that was headed toward the prone figure. He got up very slowly -- and very creepily. Helmeted and covered in leather, he looked like a cyborg or alien emerging from the center of the Earth. He was understandably wobbly, but nothing appeared to be broken -- on him, at least. "Gave it some gas and the rear tire went out on me," he said, looking down at his shattered bike. Bits of it were scattered about, and lubricant from the cracked oil pan was pooling on the pavement like blood from a corpse. Together we lifted the motorcycle and rolled it to the sidewalk. By this time, a small crowd had formed. "Hey man, you want us to call an ambulance?" someone said. He shook his head. "I had a couple of beers. If the cops come, they'll want to get me for DWI." Which he wasn't, he insisted. No. No ambulance. I told him to watch himself for signs of concussion, walked to my van and drove home. Now I'm wondering if I should have called the cops anyway. Could he have been driving drunk, and could he do it again? All I know is, he won't be riding that bike again anytime soon. My e-mail:kellyj@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 13:29:23 2006 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:29:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] from today's Post To: DCcycles >From: Aaron Maurer >Date: Wed Apr 12 12:08:57 CDT 2006 >To: DCcycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] from today's Post >Don't drink and ride. > >========== >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101396.html > >Early one morning last week I was leaving a bar in Herndon when I >heard a tremendous bang behind me. ....sounds like Jimmys...and "early one morning"? I'm not sure who was the drunk one here. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 12 13:32:11 2006 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:31:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] from today's Post To: Aaron Maurer , DCcycles Riveting! This year's best suspense! Two thumbs up! "Helmeted and covered in leather, he looked like a cyborg or alien emerging from the center of the Earth." Gotta love a good story... - Jimmy --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > Don't drink and ride. > > ========== > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101396.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 13 11:03:45 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:03:29 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sabmag@XXXXXX Cc: beatrizf1980@yahoo Subject: [dc-cycles] Starter Bike Wanted beatrizf1980@XXXXXX asks on Craigslist: "Are there any good starter bikes out there for less than $1000??? Nothing fancy or new 250-500 cc street or cruiser. Help? e-mail me offers beatrizf1980@XXXXXX" If you're mechanically adept, yes. If not, your bottom line is probably $2000. There are dozens of good bikes out there for much less than $1000 but their current owners don't have the time, skill, or patience to bring them up to snuff. So, they sell them off. Electrical problems are a common bugaboo. Either the owner doesn't have the patience, a multimeter, or has forgotten the electrical theory now taught in the 6th grade. That leaves the bike setting and results in gummed carbs ($200-500 to have a mechanic fix or 4-8 hours and $3.00 to do-it-yourself) – or – worse. Worse leaves the engine seized because of rust on the cylinder walls. I'm posting this to DCCycles and SabMag because some of the listers have bike that they have traded up from. So, they may be able to help you. Good luck Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. FOM #3; OGM #008; FOO-FOP-FO? '85 VF700S "Rocinito" '83 VF700F "666" '96 ST1100 "Slips Thru Slow Traffic" '83 VF750F "Project or Partz?" '88 NX650 unseen Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 13 15:33:11 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:32:55 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ammunition Cc: DC-Cycles what is meant by motorcycle squad? he rides one, or targets them? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 15 11:26:16 2006 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:25:06 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Easter Ride I need a ride. I'm heading west, as Horace Greeley was claimed to have opined. I don't have a destination set, yet, but WV is looking good. length of ride is negotiable. anyone in? if you don't get me via mail, get me via phone. --skip 571.228.7119 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 15 13:10:32 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: b_loved1@XXXXXX Content-ID: <2645.1145121017.1@XXXXXX> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:10:17 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos Subject: [dc-cycles] fwd for non-lister, trip from FL to DC Forwarded on behalf of a non-lister. Make sure replies are CC'ed to 'b_loved1@XXXXXX'. -harry ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:15:24 -0400 From: To: ... My boyfriend and I are planning a trip to D.C. sometime in September. We are from Florida and are considering bringing our bike up there on the autotrain. We are totally clueless about where to stay, or if attempting to ride around the city is crazy. Any advice on where to get good, reliable information would be appreciated. Thanks, Becky ... ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 16 18:04:05 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:03:42 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: trip from FL to DC Welcome! By and large the DC area is bike friendly: Helmet laws rule (Pro barehead? Check out Pennsylvania, Delaware.) You may get comments about Autotrain. Your experience and desires would draw more specifics. Lorton is about 10 mi so. of DC, convenient to much. September may be delightful, avoid rush hours. More help needed, contact me offlist. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Always wanted to try Autotrain Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ========= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:15:24 -0400 From: To: ... My boyfriend and I are planning a trip to D.C. sometime in September. We are from Florida and are considering bringing our bike up there on the autotrain. We are totally clueless about where to stay, or if attempting to ride around the city is crazy. Any advice on where to get good, reliable information would be appreciated. Thanks, Becky ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 16 21:38:07 2006 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:37:59 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Becky , "Bill S" Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/16/06 The DC area is a great motorcycling area but Bill S speaks with forked tongue. Most cage drivers in yer Nation's Capitol are Type A folk who truly believe their taxes and SUV entitle them to the entire road. The remainder are brain dead or thoroughly entranced by their cell phone conversation or programming their MP-3. Just drive through Miami or Orlando for a warm up. So, prepare to be conspicuous (Lights, lane placement, bright clothing, big honking tooters, etc) and be wary. But . . .also be prepared to enjoy some great roads: Rock Creek Parkway is usually a surprise as is George Washington and Clare Barton Parkways to newbies. Within a hop and a skip are South Mountain with Antietam, Gettysburg, Camp David, and Harper's Ferry. And , , , why take the train back when you could spend three days on a leisuly cruise down the Blue Ridge Parkway -- one of your Federal gummimint's greatest gifts to the public. W.S. Lied : Welcome! By and large the DC area is bike friendly: Becky Loved 1 Baited: > My boyfriend and I are planning a trip to D.C. sometime in September. > We are from Florida and are considering bringing our bike up there on the > autotrain. We are totally clueless about where to stay, or if attempting to > ride around the city is crazy. Any advice on where to get good, reliable > information would be appreciated. Carl in Bethesda Commuting since 1981 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 17 23:55:45 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:55:25 -0400 From: "Joel Watkinson" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Hello, parts, service, and Brake Rotors Hey all! I am new to the list. I have had bikes off and on for many years. On my 5th (and now 6th) bikes and looking for recommended places for service and parts in the area. First, I will need to order a few parts to fix them up. So, recommendations for that (including online places) would be nice. Aside from that, I might occasionally need some service too. I do everything I can myself. But, I have some nice rotors on my XS1100 that are just *barely* warped and need a fine but shaved on them to make them true again. Considering the bike has 3 and the cheapest I can find them is $190 online, that will add up fast. I paid less than two of them for my 6th bike! Anyway, help there would be appreciated. Otherwise, "Hello" to the list. Joel '79 XS1100SF (now 1200 with a few mods :) ) '82 XJ650 (latest addition today! ) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 10:51:23 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:51:05 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report From another board: "I just got a call from my best friend telling me that our old neigbor just got his brand new 06' GSXR 1000 jacked while in Capitol Heights. He said that these dudes in a Jeep Liberty ( I think Silver) hopped out, put a gun to his head and told him to get off the bike. Off they went w/out a helmet... they just took it. Poor guy was so scared he ran into a convience store and the store clerk thought he was getting robbed and from what I hear pulled a gun on him again.... then my friend explained he'd just been jacked so the clerk eased up... Anyway... this is his second Gixxer 1k in 2 years... last years got totaled. Be careful and stay out of Capitol Heights... and be suspicious of any Jeep Liberty's in PG that are checking you out on your bike." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 11:23:19 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:23:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report To: Julian Halton , DC Cycles That sucks. I wonder if this is related to yesterday's robberies and carjackings? The article mentions several times that a Jeep Liberty was being used. Link may be choppy, but cut and paste should get you there. Clipped from today's Post - D.C., Md. Hit by Carjacking-Robbery Wave By Del Quentin Wilber and Allison Klein Heavily armed gunmen carried out a series of carjackings and robberies in swift succession in the District and Maryland yesterday afternoon, firing at an off-duty federal police officer in one of the attacks, authorities said. To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/17/AR2006041701621.html?referrer=emailarticle - Jimmy --- Julian Halton wrote: > > From another board: > > "I just got a call from my best friend telling me that our old > neigbor just got his brand new 06' GSXR 1000 jacked while in > Capitol > Heights. He said that these dudes in a Jeep Liberty ( I think > Silver) > hopped out, put a gun to his head and told him to get off the bike. > Off > they went w/out a helmet... they just took it. > > Poor guy was so scared he ran into a convience store and the store > clerk > thought he was getting robbed and from what I hear pulled a gun on > him > again.... then my friend explained he'd just been jacked so the > clerk > eased up... > > Anyway... this is his second Gixxer 1k in 2 years... last years got > totaled. > > Be careful and stay out of Capitol Heights... and be suspicious of > any > Jeep Liberty's in PG that are checking you out on your bike." > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 11:33:38 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:33:26 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Question on a deposit Is a deposit on a vehicle refundable if you elect not to buy before the vehicle is shipped? This in in the state of Virginia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 11:54:55 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:49:22 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Question on a deposit X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 I guess that would all depend on the terms of the specific agreement. Julian Halton wrote: > > Is a deposit on a vehicle refundable if you elect not to buy before the > vehicle is shipped? > This in in the state of Virginia > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 12:10:22 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:10:15 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" > Clipped from today's Post - > > D.C., Md. Hit by Carjacking-Robbery Wave > > By Del Quentin Wilber and Allison Klein > > Heavily armed gunmen carried out a series of carjackings and > robberies in swift succession in the District and Maryland yesterday > afternoon, firing at an off-duty federal police officer in one of the > attacks, authorities said. You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 12:31:17 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:31:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report "You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here." [Dave] The fed could've shot back too, and wouldn't have been prosecuted for it. The biker was caught unaware, and no amount of personally worn firepower would have altered that particular outcome, all other things being equal. And DC has more LE per capita than any place on earth. These asses were pretty obviously not the least bit concerned about encountering resistance. A drawn gun trumps any hand. These nut jobs were preying on the weak; those not paying attention, to absorbed in whatever activity they were engaged in, whatever. Not letting these scumbags surprise you is the easiest way to not be one of their victims. I think it is time for a DC bashing thread though... (that's Washington DC, not Dale City, the DC in DC-cyles :-P ) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 12:58:40 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:52:58 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Dave Yates wrote: > I think it is time for a DC bashing thread though... > > (that's Washington DC, not Dale City, the DC in DC-cyles :-P ) I thought we were all Disillusioned Christians. God Damnit. - Determined Crazyguy -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 13:00:11 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:00:05 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Never said that we'd have a shootout right there. Just said that the probability of encountering armed resistance is higher in VA than in DC or MD. Recent surveys of bad guys in prison have shown that they are much more concerned about coming up against an armed citizen than they are of the Police. Anything that helps put the odds in my favor... -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 13:04:46 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:04:39 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Dave Yates" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: "DC Cycles" is the DC LE per capita ratio including the other agencies... or is that actual DC police MPD force ? That figure would pretty useless if they're counting US martials doing prison transports, fbi offices, etc, and not actual cops patrolling. I also think that this crap doesn't happen as much in VA because the counties seem to have a better police presence. Crooks tend not want to try to commit crimes when all of a sudden several police units come out of nowhere. I'm guessing this is the same bike jacking that happened at "The Bullevard at the capital center". On 4/18/06, Dave Yates wrote: > > "You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here." > > > > [Dave] The fed could've shot back too, and wouldn't have been prosecuted for it. The biker was caught unaware, and no amount of personally worn firepower would have altered that particular outcome, all other things being equal. And DC has more LE per capita than any place on earth. These asses were pretty obviously not the least bit concerned about encountering resistance. > > A drawn gun trumps any hand. > > These nut jobs were preying on the weak; those not paying attention, to absorbed in whatever activity they were engaged in, whatever. Not letting these scumbags surprise you is the easiest way to not be one of their victims. > > > I think it is time for a DC bashing thread though... (that's Washington DC, not Dale City, the DC in DC-cyles :-P ) > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 13:22:05 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:21:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Troutman baited: I thought we were all Disillusioned Christians. God Damnit. - Determined Crazyguy [Dave] Better unsub now... Infidel... ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 13:31:08 2006 From: "Stephen" To: "'Julian Halton'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report in MD! Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:29:01 -0400 Capitol Heights appears to be in Maryland, not DC! http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=capitol+heights,+md&om=1 DC PD, unless engaged in a pursuit that crosses the MD state line (at least, I think that's the way it goes), do not have jurisdiction in MD. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report >From another board: "I just got a call from my best friend telling me that our old neigbor just got his brand new 06' GSXR 1000 jacked while in Capitol Heights. He said that these dudes in a Jeep Liberty ( I think Silver) hopped out, put a gun to his head and told him to get off the bike. Off they went w/out a helmet... they just took it. Poor guy was so scared he ran into a convience store and the store clerk thought he was getting robbed and from what I hear pulled a gun on him again.... then my friend explained he'd just been jacked so the clerk eased up... Anyway... this is his second Gixxer 1k in 2 years... last years got totaled. Be careful and stay out of Capitol Heights... and be suspicious of any Jeep Liberty's in PG that are checking you out on your bike." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 13:36:52 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:36:34 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Wow. Now I'm glad I got that bike alarm with remote ignition cutoff. Just gotta remember to take the remote with me when I go riding. :-) Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report From another board: "I just got a call from my best friend telling me that our old neigbor just got his brand new 06' GSXR 1000 jacked while in Capitol Heights. He said that these dudes in a Jeep Liberty ( I think Silver) hopped out, put a gun to his head and told him to get off the bike. Off they went w/out a helmet... they just took it. Poor guy was so scared he ran into a convience store and the store clerk thought he was getting robbed and from what I hear pulled a gun on him again.... then my friend explained he'd just been jacked so the clerk eased up... Anyway... this is his second Gixxer 1k in 2 years... last years got totaled. Be careful and stay out of Capitol Heights... and be suspicious of any Jeep Liberty's in PG that are checking you out on your bike." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 13:38:48 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:38:36 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Which lister works at Finnegan Henderson? Patti? Sorry for the repeat folks but, I don't think my first message made it through. Anyway, would the guilty party give me a shout back? :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 16:45:17 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:45:04 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "scooterfzr@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And pray that you can hit the button while they are still in range... and pray it doens't accidentally turn off on you while in a curve or on the highway or something. On 4/18/06, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow. Now I'm glad I got that bike alarm with remote ignition cutoff. > Just gotta remember to take the remote with me when I go riding. :-) > > Scooter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton > To: DC Cycles > Sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:51:05 -0400 > Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report > > From another board: > > "I just got a call from my best friend telling me that our old > neigbor just got his brand new 06' GSXR 1000 jacked while in Capitol > Heights. He said that these dudes in a Jeep Liberty ( I think Silver) > hopped out, put a gun to his head and told him to get off the bike. Off > they went w/out a helmet... they just took it. > > Poor guy was so scared he ran into a convience store and the store clerk > thought he was getting robbed and from what I hear pulled a gun on him > again.... then my friend explained he'd just been jacked so the clerk > eased up... > > Anyway... this is his second Gixxer 1k in 2 years... last years got > totaled. > > Be careful and stay out of Capitol Heights... and be suspicious of any > Jeep Liberty's in PG that are checking you out on your bike." > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 16:52:03 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:51:07 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report pagers are pretty cheap these days... that might be a good low budget poor man's lojack. Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > And pray that you can hit the button while they are still in range... > and pray it doens't accidentally turn off on you while in a curve or > on the highway or something. > > On 4/18/06, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > > Wow. Now I'm glad I got that bike alarm with remote ignition cutoff. > > Just gotta remember to take the remote with me when I go riding. :-) > > > > Scooter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Julian Halton > > To: DC Cycles > > Sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:51:05 -0400 > > Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report > > > > From another board: > > > > "I just got a call from my best friend telling me that our old > > neigbor just got his brand new 06' GSXR 1000 jacked while in Capitol > > Heights. He said that these dudes in a Jeep Liberty ( I think Silver) > > hopped out, put a gun to his head and told him to get off the bike. Off > > they went w/out a helmet... they just took it. > > > > Poor guy was so scared he ran into a convience store and the store clerk > > thought he was getting robbed and from what I hear pulled a gun on him > > again.... then my friend explained he'd just been jacked so the clerk > > eased up... > > > > Anyway... this is his second Gixxer 1k in 2 years... last years got > > totaled. > > > > Be careful and stay out of Capitol Heights... and be suspicious of any > > Jeep Liberty's in PG that are checking you out on your bike." > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 17:08:21 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:08:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Dave Yates CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Dave Yates wrote: >I think it is time for a DC bashing thread though... (that's Washington DC, not Dale City, the DC in DC-cyles :-P ) > > And those of us in the "real" DC thank you. :D I'm up for bashing that "other" DC at any time. Let's go! Hork -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth Mason Dixon 20-20 Rally, featuring: Questionable Interpretations http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 18:15:59 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:15:44 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report To: motorpsychol@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Well, you have to hit 2 buttons at the same time and it has a half mile range. My biggest thing would be remembering that I have it on me to HIT the buttons. lol Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle To: scooterfzr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report And pray that you can hit the button while they are still in range... and pray it doens't accidentally turn off on you while in a curve or on the highway or something. On 4/18/06, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow. Now I'm glad I got that bike alarm with remote ignition cutoff. > Just gotta remember to take the remote with me when I go riding. :-) > > Scooter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton > To: DC Cycles > Sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:51:05 -0400 > Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report > > From another board: > > "I just got a call from my best friend telling me that our old > neigbor just got his brand new 06' GSXR 1000 jacked while in Capitol > Heights. He said that these dudes in a Jeep Liberty ( I think Silver) > hopped out, put a gun to his head and told him to get off the bike. Off > they went w/out a helmet... they just took it. > > Poor guy was so scared he ran into a convience store and the store clerk > thought he was getting robbed and from what I hear pulled a gun on him > again.... then my friend explained he'd just been jacked so the clerk > eased up... > > Anyway... this is his second Gixxer 1k in 2 years... last years got > totaled. > > Be careful and stay out of Capitol Heights... and be suspicious of any > Jeep Liberty's in PG that are checking you out on your bike." > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 18:56:45 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:56:32 -0400 To: "Michael Jordan" From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:10 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. >We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here. Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a non-leo in nova doing so? I've been here since '83, and I haven't. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 19:18:56 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:20:42 -0400 To: ll , "Michael Jordan" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 4/18/2006 06:56 PM, ll wrote: >At 12:10 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: > >>You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. >>We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here. > >Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a non-leo in nova doing so? >I've been here since '83, and I haven't. I think the Washington Post has a policy against telling you things like that, as do most news outlets. It would go against their anti-gun agenda if they reported *good* things about gun ownership... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 19:24:32 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:24:20 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Joe Rocket Phoenix (v2?) size 34-36 (L) $50 used but in very good condition. My girth is no longer compatible with the sizing (damn 1/3 price dunkin donuts). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 19:37:42 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:37:37 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79fd1e2b0a51626c478b8c99eb73b46671350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I know of 2 directly, one of which was a student. Both were not charged. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ll [mailto:dc-cycles@XXXXXX] To: Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 12:10 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. >We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here. Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a non-leo in nova doing so? I've been here since '83, and I haven't. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 19:43:09 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:43:02 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report >>You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. >>We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here. > > Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a non-leo in nova doing so? > I've been here since '83, and I haven't. Whether we do or not is almost irrelevant. The fact that we MAY be armed changes the odds considerably. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 19:47:36 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:47:24 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795787dedfd8e0794fa0696c680aff617d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Let me amend my previous post - I know of 1, the 2nd I was thinking of was person on person attack. The particulars of which were woman on a trail, jumped by a man from behind some bushes. Man had a knife, woman pulled her gun. Man fled, was subsequently caught by FCPD. No shots, no charges for her. Apologies. Dave Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a non-leo in nova doing so? I've been here since '83, and I haven't. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 22:56:57 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:56:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 07:20 PM 4/18/2006, Mike B. wrote: >At 4/18/2006 06:56 PM, ll wrote: >>At 12:10 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >> >>>You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. >>>We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here. >> >>Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a non-leo in nova doing so? >>I've been here since '83, and I haven't. > >I think the Washington Post has a policy against telling you things like >that, as do most news outlets. Sure they do, Mike. > It would go against their anti-gun agenda if they reported *good* things > about gun ownership... It would indeed, but they would still do it. They'd be compelled to out of self-preservation. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 23:02:35 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:02:25 -0400 To: "Dave Yates" , From: ll Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report It just seems odd to me that with all the VA permits to carry concealed that have been issued, and with all the muggings taking place weekly in Alexandria, that I've never heard of a licensed concealed handgun being pulled in self-defense here. Maybe those who discourage assailants without shots being fired are reluctant to report the events? (And yes, I do read the Post, Wash. Times, NY Times, and USA Today daily, and the Gazette and Old Town Crier weekly.) -- Larry At 07:47 PM 4/18/2006, Dave Yates wrote: >Let me amend my previous post - I know of 1, the 2nd I was thinking of was >person on person attack. The particulars of which were woman on a trail, >jumped by a man from behind some bushes. Man had a knife, woman pulled her >gun. Man fled, was subsequently caught by FCPD. No shots, no charges for >her. > >Apologies. > >Dave > >Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a non-leo in nova doing so? >I've been here since '83, and I haven't. > >-- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 18 23:05:18 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:05:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 07:43 PM 4/18/2006, Michael Jordan wrote: > >>You'll notice that there is significantly less of this crap in VA. > >>We can shoot back and they don't like the odds here. > > > > Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a non-leo in nova doing so? > > I've been here since '83, and I haven't. > >Whether we do or not is almost irrelevant. The fact that we MAY be >armed changes the odds considerably. Doh. Although I'd wager that the percentage or armed civilians in the District is higher than the percentage in VA. It's the legality of those arms that is almost irrelevant. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 02:37:03 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:35:00 -0400 To: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 4/18/2006 10:56 PM, ll wrote: >At 07:20 PM 4/18/2006, Mike B. wrote: >> >>I think the Washington Post has a policy against telling you things like >>that, as do most news outlets. > >Sure they do, Mike. Thanks for the confirmation. >> It would go against their anti-gun agenda if they reported *good* >> things about gun ownership... > >It would indeed, but they would still do it. They'd be compelled to out of >self-preservation. That didn't stop them from lying about the Maryland Handgun Ban back in the late 80s, or the owner of the paper being a major supporter of Handgun Control, Inc.. If you want to see stories about people using guns for self-defence, the NRA publishes a page full of them every month in its magazines. They are taken from various local papers around the country, and include dates and attributions. The column is called "The Armed Citizen". There was a guy a few years ago who was trying to get permission to put them up on the web...if he did, Google may locate them for you. You can see a few at http://www.nrapublications.org/armed%20citizen/Index.asp and a few more at http://nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=30. http://www.textfiles.com/politics/GUNS/armcit.txt has still more, at least 4 of which happened in Virginia (though not NoVa). So, is a cruise control a good thing to add to a bike when you mount the holster...or only if you are right-handed? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 07:57:43 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:57:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report >I think the Washington Post has a policy against telling you things like >that, as do most news outlets. Sure they do, Mike. > It would go against their anti-gun agenda if they reported *good* things > about gun ownership... It would indeed, but they would still do it. They'd be compelled to out of self-preservation. [Dave] I've been consulted on a few WaPO articles. I have an email *from a WaPO reporter* admitting as much; that they will not report on an event putting a positive light on a citizen, not in LE, using a gun in a non criminal manner. As with anything, some are more objective than others. This particular reporter's assertion was 'it wasn't all of the reporters, but it was an overwhelming majority of the editorial staff'. Does it periodically make print? yes. But one thing that you will always notice is in any article which deals with the topic matter of firearms in WaPO, the last word goes to Brady, VPC, or some other socialist pro-criminal organzation. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 08:10:37 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:09:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report It just seems odd to me that with all the VA permits to carry concealed that have been issued, and with all the muggings taking place weekly in Alexandria, that I've never heard of a licensed concealed handgun being pulled in self-defense here. [Dave] There are no handgun licenses here. There are permits, and albeit a slight, and hyper-technical difference, it is a difference worth noting. Maybe those who discourage assailants without shots being fired are reluctant to report the events? [Dave] That may well be the case, but the total number of issued permits across VA is in the low 6 digits if I recall correctly... Low, relatively at any rate. The people willing to go through the legal hoops for a permit by and large will be perfectly happy if the only time they fire a gun it's to punch holes in paper. While I'm sure there is a deterrent effect, it isn't all powerful. Certainly you stand more chance meeting armed people in DC per capita than VA. But there are other factors too, Murder in VA is punished more severely - I recall a news story 1 or 2 years ago asserting the average sentence for homicide in DC was between 3 and 7 years. Personally, I find that a machete fits in better with my Barrio ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 09:13:53 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:13:42 -0400 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Weird. Guy takes a bullet in an assassination attempt on President Reagan, and now he's the spokeperson for a "socialist pro-criminal organzation." Now I realize the spark for the Annual Spring Gun-nut Thread was ostensibly a bike theft, but I see nothing in the latest posts about motorcycles. Robert Verde On 4/19/06, Dave Yates wrote: > > > Does it periodically make print? yes. But one thing that you will always notice is in any article which deals with the topic matter of firearms in WaPO, the last word goes to Brady, VPC, or some other socialist pro-criminal organzation. > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 09:28:03 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:27:54 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report > Guy takes a bullet in an assassination attempt on President Reagan, > and now he's the spokeperson for a "socialist pro-criminal > organzation." Are you being deliberately obtuse? The reference to Brady was not to Jim, but to the organization that his wife is running. Jim is trotted out from time to time in his wheelchair as an example of the horrible thing that guns are doing to people. It should be noted that guns, in and of themselves, do nothing. People do nasty things to other people. Using guns, knives, baseball bats, cars, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. Demonizing the instrument is a pitiful attempt to avoid addressing the root cause of the problem. If saving lives is your primary concern, start with cars (many more people are killed and injured by motor vehicles), move on to bathtubs, and eventually you'll get to guns. But they're pretty far down on the list. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 09:29:29 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:29:17 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Dave Yates" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > There are no handgun licenses here. There are permits, and albeit > a slight, and hyper-technical difference, it is a difference worth noting. It should also be noted that no permit (or license) is required if you carry openly. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 09:45:43 2006 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:45:00 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX WILL ALL OF YOU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT GUNS ALREADY!!!!!!! THIS LIST IS ABOUT MOTORCYCLES AND MOTORCYCLES ONLY. I'M SO SICK OF THIS CRAP HAPPENING EVERY FEW MONTHS. STOP PULLING SUBJECTS OFF-TOPIC. IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT THEN PLEASE FIND ANOTHER LIST TO PARTICIPATE IN. AND YES I AM YELLING!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report >> There are no handgun licenses here. There are permits, and albeit >> a slight, and hyper-technical difference, it is a difference worth >> noting. > > It should also be noted that no permit (or license) is required if you > carry openly. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 4/18/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 09:46:00 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Content-ID: <11753.1145454353.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:45:53 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >It should be noted that guns, in and of themselves, do nothing. Say what you will, but guns are responsible for one of the major evils in this society, namely that they cause both their advocates and opponents to monkey-hump this issue to death in every possible forum, regardless of relevancy. Personally, I will defend to the death my right to carry a gun for the purpose of inflicting flesh wounds upon those who won't shut the F up about the topic, or at least to have the option of inflicting a merciful end upon myself if the former approach is unsuccessful. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 09:52:38 2006 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,134,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="19770350:sNHT22682646" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:52:30 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: The spokesman for the "Socialist pro-criminal organization" is his wife and AFAIK the bitch doesn't ride. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: Robert [mailto:robert.verde@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Weird. Guy takes a bullet in an assassination attempt on President Reagan, and now he's the spokeperson for a "socialist pro-criminal organzation." Now I realize the spark for the Annual Spring Gun-nut Thread was ostensibly a bike theft, but I see nothing in the latest posts about motorcycles. Robert Verde On 4/19/06, Dave Yates wrote: > > > Does it periodically make print? yes. But one thing that you will always notice is in any article which deals with the topic matter of firearms in WaPO, the last word goes to Brady, VPC, or some other socialist pro-criminal organzation. > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 10:40:37 2006 From: "Kelly Norton" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:39:50 -0400 I agree with Bruce. Enough with the gun talk already. On topic, I've been reading the accounts in the Washington Post and they haven't mentioned a motorcycle being stolen during this crime spree. Seems unlikely that there were two Jeep Liberties out robbing people... -----Original Message----- From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report WILL ALL OF YOU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT GUNS ALREADY!!!!!!! THIS LIST IS ABOUT MOTORCYCLES AND MOTORCYCLES ONLY. I'M SO SICK OF THIS CRAP HAPPENING EVERY FEW MONTHS. STOP PULLING SUBJECTS OFF-TOPIC. IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT THEN PLEASE FIND ANOTHER LIST TO PARTICIPATE IN. AND YES I AM YELLING!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report >> There are no handgun licenses here. There are permits, and albeit >> a slight, and hyper-technical difference, it is a difference worth >> noting. > > It should also be noted that no permit (or license) is required if you > carry openly. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 4/18/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 10:42:36 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:41:40 -0400 To: Robert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 4/19/2006 09:13 AM, Robert wrote: >Weird. > >Guy takes a bullet in an assassination attempt on President Reagan, >and now he's the spokeperson for a "socialist pro-criminal >organzation." *Sarah* Brady is the spokesperson...his wife. Jim Brady isn't much of anything anymore. That's kind of what set his wife off on her hysterical crusade and keeps her from being willing to look at, or use, factual evidence to reach a rational conclusion on the subject. I can't blame her much really...but that doesn't mean I don't think she's a serious danger to public safety. Crazy people often are, even if they have good cause for being crazy. >Now I realize the spark for the Annual Spring Gun-nut Thread was >ostensibly a bike theft, but I see nothing in the latest posts about >motorcycles. Well, I did ask about holsters and cruise control.... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 10:48:50 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:48:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 09:13 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >Now I realize the spark for the Annual Spring Gun-nut Thread was >ostensibly a bike theft, but I see nothing in the latest posts about >motorcycles. I believe the aim of the recent thread is to answer this question: "In light of the recent spate of cycle-jackings, is it worthwhile to carry a concealed firearm while riding?" Of course, just as in most other aspects of our society, the debate quickly descends to the level of characterizing those who holds opposing beliefs as members of a "socialist pro-criminal organ[i]zation." -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 10:50:03 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:51:22 -0400 To: "Michael Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 4/19/2006 09:27 AM, Michael Jordan wrote: >If saving lives is your primary concern, start with cars (many more >people are killed and injured by motor vehicles), move on to bathtubs, >and eventually you'll get to guns. > >But they're pretty far down on the list. If you look only at accidents, yes...way down and dropping. If you look at death in general, which is what the anti-gun folks do, they are higher up. To do that you have to include murder, accidents and suicide though. Accident rates are, just as with motorcycles, best addressed with education, not bans. The NRA has been doing that for decades, and for decades the accidental death rate from firearms has been dropping. At the moment it's well below vehicles (which account for half of all accidental deaths), falls, drowning, poisoning by gas, bicycles, and just about every other category the Census Department tracks. Suicides that choose firearms are not "pleas for help", they are people who *really* don't want to live anymore. Absent a gun they'd find another way to do themselves in (razor blades, falls from high places, drowning, gas, poison, etc.), so banning guns isn't likely to affect the rate much. Murder has been common in humans since the start of recorded history...long before there were guns around. People who want to kill always find a way. Remove firearms and you just give the advantage back to the larger, stronger ones. Good in evolutionary terms...if you are trying for larger, stronger humans. Not so good if you care more about brains than brawn. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 11:01:40 2006 From: "Bruce N" To: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:00:53 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Trip route suggestions? Thinking of a trip to the Cherahola (sp?) Skyway in a few weeks and I'm looking for route suggestions. 5-7 days total there and back. Riding a sportbike. Some nights camping, some hoteling, some Blue Ridge Parkway along the way but other than that I have few requirements. Any suggestions? Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 11:15:56 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:15:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Harry Mantakos >Date: Wed Apr 19 08:45:53 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report >>It should be noted that guns, in and of themselves, do nothing. > >Say what you will, but guns are responsible for one of the major >evils in this society, namely that they cause both their advocates >and opponents to monkey-hump this issue to death in every possible >forum, regardless of relevancy. > ..so the *REAL* question that we've all tip toed around and carefully haven't asked, is... Should people carry guns with synthetic gun oil or dino gun oil? And, of course, should safe shooting require just plain old yellow shooting glasses or full face shooting gear with padding at all critical joints? -aki (who's not afraid to ask the really tough questions) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 11:19:46 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:19:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >decades the accidental death rate from firearms has been dropping. At the >moment it's well below vehicles (which account for half of all accidental >deaths), falls, drowning, poisoning by gas, bicycles, ..subscribing to dc-cycles...etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 11:20:05 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:19:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip route suggestions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bruce, many options here. The BRP is about the easiest way if you want to avoid I-81. Although the BRP gets pretty boring south of Roanoke for until you get into NC. You might want to consider staying west of I-81 on roads like US 220, VA 311, VA 42 until you get closer to the NC/TN border. From there, you can work your way over to VA 91 which drops you into Mountain City, TN. At that point you can either work your way over to Boone and get on the BRP and continue south or many of the other great roads in that area. The Goddard's are still on the list, visit their shop in Boone and get more road ideas from them. Glenn --- Bruce N wrote: > Thinking of a trip to the Cherahola (sp?) Skyway in > a few weeks and I'm > looking for route suggestions. 5-7 days total there > and back. Riding a > sportbike. Some nights camping, some hoteling, some > Blue Ridge Parkway along > the way but other than that I have few requirements. > > Any suggestions? > > Bruce > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 12:01:25 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:59:51 -0400 To: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 4/19/2006 10:48 AM, ll wrote: >Of course, just as in most other aspects of our society, the debate >quickly descends to the level of characterizing those who holds opposing >beliefs as members of a "socialist pro-criminal organ[i]zation." Not those who hold opposing beliefs...just the ones who formed or joined a socialist pro-criminal organization. Unless *you* are lowering things to that level with your latest post? It's kind of like sport bikers. Not all of them are members of street racing gangs, just those who are. Others may street race too, but not as members of such gangs. ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 13:27:54 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:27:43 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > It's kind of like sport bikers. Not all of them are members of street > racing gangs, just those who are. Others may street race too, but not as > members of such gangs. ;-) Damn sport bikers! Need to ride something sensible. (grumble, grumble) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 13:35:20 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:35:12 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Pricks. On 4/19/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > Damn sport bikers! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 13:38:05 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:37:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Michael Jordan >Date: Wed Apr 19 12:27:43 CDT 2006 >To: "Mike B." >Cc: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report >> It's kind of like sport bikers. Not all of them are members of street >> racing gangs, just those who are. Others may street race too, but not as >> members of such gangs. ;-) > >Damn sport bikers! > >Need to ride something sensible. > >(grumble, grumble) > if some widgets are figets and all figets are... oh never mind... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 13:47:57 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:46:57 -0400 From: skip To: Michael Jordan CC: "Mike B." , ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report and it should have loud pipes, so everyone can avoid me by my deafening roar. --skip, throwing gasonline. :~) Michael Jordan wrote: > > > It's kind of like sport bikers. Not all of them are members of street > > racing gangs, just those who are. Others may street race too, but not as > > members of such gangs. ;-) > > Damn sport bikers! > > Need to ride something sensible. > > (grumble, grumble) > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 14:04:59 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:06:20 -0400 To: skip , Michael Jordan From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 4/19/2006 01:46 PM, skip wrote: >--skip, throwing gasonline. :~) Umm...can you give us more warning next time? That stuff's getting expensive... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 14:09:40 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:09:24 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Hmmmm....what's the price of kerosene these days? Maybe he should throw that instead. lol Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Mike B. To: skip ; Michael Jordan Cc: ll ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 4/19/2006 01:46 PM, skip wrote:    >--skip, throwing gasonline. :~)    Umm...can you give us more warning next time? That stuff's getting expensive...    -- -- Mike B.    '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks)    Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes  is better.   From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 14:09:46 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:08:37 -0400 From: skip To: "Mike B." CC: Michael Jordan , ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report heh. touch[alt 0223] moto content: a friend of mine said that moto sales are way up. I'm not sure if it's true, and if it is, if it's a good thing or a bad thing. I suspect it will be a bit of both. good -- more awareness, more legal concessions (lane splitting, parking space sharing) as the moto population increases. bad -- the formerly BDC is now not paying much attention on a bike... accidents and insurance costs will rise. good -- there's going to be a better market for used bikes. bad -- I'm trying to sell one and I want good $$ for it. "Mike B." wrote: > > At 4/19/2006 01:46 PM, skip wrote: > > >--skip, throwing gasonline. :~) > > Umm...can you give us more warning next time? That stuff's getting > expensive... > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 14:40:26 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:40:12 -0400 Gentlemen use silencers... ;^) Perry >From: skip >To: Michael Jordan >CC: "Mike B." , ll , >dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:46:57 -0400 > >and it should have loud pipes, so everyone can avoid me by my deafening >roar. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 15:27:16 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:27:09 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report > >--skip, throwing gasonline. :~) > > Umm...can you give us more warning next time? That stuff's getting > expensive... Yeah - we wanna have a bucket handy to catch it in. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 19 15:45:37 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:45:28 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Stolen bike Be on the lookout for a stolen grey Husky SM-610. (Not mine, thankfully.) http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2599882&posted=1#post2599882 Stolen today around noon in Columbia Heights, DC. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 00:03:02 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:02:47 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: "Michael Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX .. > If you look only at accidents, yes...way down and dropping. If you look at > death in general, which is what the anti-gun folks do, they are higher > up. To do that you have to include murder, accidents and suicide though. Actually if you look at deaths in general, homicide is at the bottom of the list of the top 15 causes of death. (in 2003)(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/finaldeaths03_tables.pdf#2 Therefor if liberals really cared about saving lives, they would first focus on the causes that take far more lives. How do you skip the focus on the larger issues? I dont get it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 00:16:04 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:15:57 -0400 From: "\"Steven Di Pietro" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems Hi all, The money gods have smiled upon me and I've got 2, new to me, bikes lined up. I'm now shopping for a GPS/ Navigation system that I can bounce from bike to bike, to the dreaded cage. I'm a process server and I'll be needing driving directions from door to door. I'd like a unit that I can add.... say, 10 to 15 addresses in, and it would optimize my driving route. The last time I bought a GPS unit, you had to add in waypoints. I sold it shortly after. So, which of the newer units out there can you add in multiple street addresses for driving directions? Garmin's web site didn't really address that question. -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. .............................. ... AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL "Mini-Cade" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 00:22:22 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:22:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report At 12:02 AM 4/20/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Actually if you look at deaths in general, homicide is at the bottom >of the list of the top 15 causes of death. (in >2003)(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/finaldeaths03_tables.pdf#2 > >Therefor if liberals really cared about saving lives, they would first >focus on the causes that take far more lives. How do you skip the >focus on the larger issues? I dont get it. Of the 14 causes of death above homicide, 12 are diseases, and the other two are accidents and suicide. The research focus is on those diseases, in terms of money invested in research, but -- except for suicide -- they are not "issues." The only items on the list which can be dealt with in a direct way by legislation are suicide and homicide, so they're very tempting targets. -- Larry (given an undeserved performance award by an ignorant Annapolis prick tonight... 8;) ) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 08:08:08 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:07:55 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems Garmin 276c :-) Waterproof :-) Shock resistant (Marine grade unit) :-) Door to Door routing with spoken directions :-) Best screen on the market - totally readable in direct sunlight :-( Not cheap LOVE mine. Also a major favorite of the Iron Butt crowd Check out GPSCITY.COM for the unit bundled with the Auto package (software, mounts, etc) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 08:09:58 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:09:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report The only items on the list which can be dealt with in a direct way by legislation are suicide and homicide, so they're very tempting targets. [Dave] Aren't homicide and suicide(attempting) illegal already? I believe Catholics (at least) consider suicide a mortal sin. Should we make them more illegal? How about double dog, go stand in a corner for the rest of the evening and no more cartoons for you illegal? :-/ -- Larry (given an undeserved performance award by an ignorant Annapolis prick tonight... 8;) ) [Dave] That always sucks. Hope you at least came in first ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 08:20:32 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:20:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems I got a Garmin Quest last year and I have to admit it's pretty sharp. The only knock I can put on it is that it does not have expandable memory. You get 128mb and that's it. I've found that enough to accomodate Garmin's detail maps for trip up OR down the coast. One quirk I ran across is when routing it will either use the detail maps you upload, or it won't. So, if your destination is in an area, or a critical turn is an an area - which isn't covered by a 'detail map', it navigates around the area... Particularly screwy. The Quest also has voice navigation, which is kind of cool, but I haven't yet figured a way to make it like my 'preferred' route home from points south, as opposed to it's own(shortest, but with way more traffic) route. In this case, or in cases where you miss a turn, the Quest goes into "spousal nag" mode with terse, condescending, and ominous warnings... OFF ROUTE! RECALCULATING... TURN LEFT THEN LEFT IN 300 FEET! etc. Another cool feature: the restaurant lookup is pretty thorough. The wife & I were in SC and wanted some BBQ, sure enough, the quest took us right to a BBQ place about 10 turns off the interstate. We'd never have found that place... HTH Dave MJ: Garmin 276c :-) Waterproof :-) Shock resistant (Marine grade unit) :-) Door to Door routing with spoken directions :-) Best screen on the market - totally readable in direct sunlight :-( Not cheap LOVE mine. Also a major favorite of the Iron Butt crowd Check out GPSCITY.COM for the unit bundled with the Auto package (software, mounts, etc) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 08:49:50 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:49:38 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "Steven Di Pietro "@node1.fcps.edu Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems "Steven Di Pietro wrote: > Hi all, > > The money gods have smiled upon me and I've got 2, new to me, bikes > lined up. I'm now shopping for a GPS/ Navigation system that I can > bounce from bike to bike, > I have a Non-Garmin GPS. It's an older ( not sold now ), unit, a Navman icn510. It was cheaper than a garmin quest, had a bigger screen, and can take memory cards. It's not water resistant/proof, but I got a RAM aquabox for it. That said, I don't think I'd buy anything but a Garmin. Navman is a euro company, and has really good maps - for Europe. It's USA maps and support are weak at best. There havn't been any map updates in at least 2 years ( that I can find ). Garmin's maps and support are worth the extra $$$. That said a lot of the LD'ers at ST-owners.com use MS Streets and Trips ( or other software), then use gps utility (http://www.gpsu.co.uk/), to setup the GPS unit. Happy Shopping, Tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 09:03:33 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:58:11 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: "Steven Di Pietro "@gecko.troutman.org CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Garmin 60CS after extensive research. It is affordable, weather resistant, does good on batteries, does full routing, color screen, small, light, portable, adaptable to camping and skydiving, has altimiter and has a magnetic compass. The newly released version also has a miniSD slot, so you can load up to 2GB of map data at once. Any of the Garmin units that do routing can do it well. I just believe the form factor of the 60CS gives you the best of everything for bike and cage. "Steven Di Pietro wrote: > Hi all, > > The money gods have smiled upon me and I've got 2, new to me, bikes > lined up. I'm now shopping for a GPS/ Navigation system that I can > bounce from bike to bike, to the dreaded cage. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 09:06:55 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:06:46 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re:[dc-cycles] Navigation Systems On 4/20/06, Steven Di Pietro wrote: I'd like a > unit that I can add.... say, 10 to 15 addresses in, and it would > optimize my driving route. The last time I bought a GPS unit, you had > to add in waypoints. I sold it shortly after. So, which of the newer > units out there can you add in multiple street addresses for driving > directions? Garmin's web site didn't really address that question. Go to the comparison page... http://www.garmin.com/mobile/compare.jsp Check off up to ten units at a time and click Submit. It'll show you a full chart of all thier specs. The one you're interested in is the fifth one down - "# of Routes / Waypoints per route". Looks like you want at least a 2610 or better unit from the couple that I checked. I can't rave enough about the 2610 I use. I'm sure there are better and newer units out there, but the 2610 is more than enough for my needs... One cable for power/audio. Big enough to see and mess with, not so big that it's obnoxious. Lightening fast recalculations. A 2GB CF card can hold the entire US and Canada for long distance roving trips. It's taken all the abuse I've tossed at it (which is a lot... it get bike and off-road Jeep use). Skip the Garmin mounts... get a RAM mount specific to your unit and you can just pop it from vehicle to vehicle in seconds. Also, keep in mind the map data... any of them that use City Navigator will be more detailed and accurate than the City Select sources. Finally, you'll need waterproofing for the bike. Any of the IPX7 rated units will be fine, even in hour long torrential downpours or snow (ask me how I know). IPX0 units won't cut it. Again, all of this info can be kind of hard to find on the Garmin site, but it's ALL on the comparison charts. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 09:20:59 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:20:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Dave Yates >Date: Thu Apr 20 07:09:49 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report > >The only items on the list which can be dealt with in a direct way by >legislation are suicide and homicide, so they're very tempting targets. > > >[Dave] Aren't homicide and suicide(attempting) illegal already? I believe Catholics (at least) consider suicide a mortal sin. Should we make them more illegal? How about double dog, go stand in a corner for the rest of the evening and no more cartoons for you illegal? :-/ > Capital punishment should include attempted suicide! Another example of "if you can't do the job right, let the gobbmint do it for you". 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 09:41:24 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:40:21 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] now -this- is lane splitting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-MtXymQkjs&search=motorcycle From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 09:43:51 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:43:44 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/19/06 All- Just wanted to chime in here...the incident in question occured in Maryland. This has been stated already. It happened here, in Capitol Heights: http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&q=capitol+heights,+md&ll=38.885,-76.916111&spn=0.021714,0.085144&om=1 Capitol Heights is nothing short of a warzone. All the rough neighborhoods in DC are getting gentrified and all the roughness seems to be getting exported to our 'edge cities.' Here's a good article on violence in suburbia: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/crime/crime0405a.htm And violence in DC: http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1239,Q,543308,mpdcNav_GID,1523,mpdcNav,|,.asp So...while you live in the suburbs with your 3-digit crime acceleration, we live in the city with our 3-digit crime drop. That doesn't say much for legalizing guns. As someone else had mentioned, a gun concealed is no gun at all. -James '06 Monster 100GB AV500 w/ Helmetcam From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 09:58:48 2006 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip route suggestions? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:58:12 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Thanks for the great suggestions! Wheels Through Time and the Goddard's are on my route sheet. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: Subject: SPAM: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip route suggestions? > Bruce, many options here. The BRP is about the > easiest way if you want to avoid I-81. Although the > BRP gets pretty boring south of Roanoke for until you > get into NC. You might want to consider staying west > of I-81 on roads like US 220, VA 311, VA 42 until you > get closer to the NC/TN border. From there, you can > work your way over to VA 91 which drops you into > Mountain City, TN. At that point you can either work > your way over to Boone and get on the BRP and continue > south or many of the other great roads in that area. > The Goddard's are still on the list, visit their shop > in Boone and get more road ideas from them. > > Glenn > > --- Bruce N wrote: > >> Thinking of a trip to the Cherahola (sp?) Skyway in >> a few weeks and I'm >> looking for route suggestions. 5-7 days total there >> and back. Riding a >> sportbike. Some nights camping, some hoteling, some >> Blue Ridge Parkway along >> the way but other than that I have few requirements. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Bruce >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 4/18/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 10:43:48 2006 From: "Kelly Norton" To: "'Bruce N'" , Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip route suggestions? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:42:56 -0400 You should get the mad map for the area... http://www.madmaps.com/store/trav_smok.aspx -----Original Message----- From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip route suggestions? Thanks for the great suggestions! Wheels Through Time and the Goddard's are on my route sheet. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: Subject: SPAM: Re: [dc-cycles] Trip route suggestions? > Bruce, many options here. The BRP is about the > easiest way if you want to avoid I-81. Although the > BRP gets pretty boring south of Roanoke for until you > get into NC. You might want to consider staying west > of I-81 on roads like US 220, VA 311, VA 42 until you > get closer to the NC/TN border. From there, you can > work your way over to VA 91 which drops you into > Mountain City, TN. At that point you can either work > your way over to Boone and get on the BRP and continue > south or many of the other great roads in that area. > The Goddard's are still on the list, visit their shop > in Boone and get more road ideas from them. > > Glenn > > --- Bruce N wrote: > >> Thinking of a trip to the Cherahola (sp?) Skyway in >> a few weeks and I'm >> looking for route suggestions. 5-7 days total there >> and back. Riding a >> sportbike. Some nights camping, some hoteling, some >> Blue Ridge Parkway along >> the way but other than that I have few requirements. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Bruce >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 4/18/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 10:58:50 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:52:32 -0400 To: "\"Steven Di Pietro" , DC-Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems At 4/20/2006 12:15 AM, \"Steven Di Pietro wrote: >and I'll be needing driving directions from door to door. I'd like a >unit that I can add.... say, 10 to 15 addresses in, and it would >optimize my driving route. The last time I bought a GPS unit, you had >to add in waypoints. I sold it shortly after. So, which of the newer >units out there can you add in multiple street addresses for driving >directions? Garmin's web site didn't really address that question. I've never heard of such a unit. Optimizing a route is not a simple calculation, and it may be beyond the capacity of the GPS processors, but even so, I doubt there's enough demand for that sort of feature for it to make the list. I think you're still going to need to rely on wetware to decide the order of visits. Once that's done, some of the more expensive units can get you from where you are to each of them in turn. Expect to be in the $600+ range for that. I don't need the turn-by-turn directions, so I get by happily with an old Magellan Meridian in a RAM mount (GPS was about $220 at Costco several years back). This unit is low on memory, uses a slow serial port for down and up loads, and only has a B&W screen, but it's waterproof, runs about 10 hours on 2 AA batteries (for hiking), fits in a pocket, and came with a suction cup mount for the Jeep, which it just snaps into and runs off the Jeep's power. The bike mount is a bit more fiddly in that I have to screw the power connector onto the back before snapping it into the RAM holder to run off bike power. I use it as much for a second speedometer (which is up where I can see it better when using the full face helmet) as for a moving map. It does announce cross streets before I get to them, which, in some parts of the area here which haven't moved out of the horse and buggy labeling scheme, is very helpful. I rarely bother with waypoints and routes...I know where I want to go, and looking at the map as I go lets me find it without problems. The ETE and ETA features that you get with waypoints are pretty meaningless for road trips due to traffic and lights, though they work well when boating. The two main issues with this GPS are that if the sun hits the screen at the wrong angle, it's invisible, and Magellan's map data isn't accurate or up to date. If you zoom all the way in you are consistently about 100' off the road, through paralleling it, and anything built in the last 10 years won't be there. I've heard that Garmin GPSs, while not always as good in the physical features department, at least have accurate and more up to date info. For what I got this for (hiking) it works really well, and it's not bad for use on the bike or in the car either. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 11:24:38 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] now -this- is lane splitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX WOW, big gonads. Glenn --- skip wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-MtXymQkjs&search=motorcycle > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 11:56:39 2006 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems Content-ID: <19847.1145548593.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:56:33 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >...I'd like a unit that I can add.... say, 10 to 15 addresses in, >and it would optimize my driving route. I'd be surprised to find that feature in a GPS. In various cross-country driving escapades, though, I've used Delorme Street Atlas, which does have the ability to accept a series of waypoints and find the most efficient route that hits each of them. You might be able to use this on a PC, then download the resulting route to a handheld GPS to take with you. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 11:59:17 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:59:09 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] now -this- is lane splitting Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That guy's cojones are so big I don't understand how he can ride a bike! On 4/20/06, Glenn Dysart wrote: > WOW, big gonads. > > Glenn > > --- skip wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-MtXymQkjs&search=motorcycle > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 12:20:06 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >...I'd like a unit that I can add.... say, 10 to 15 addresses in, >and it would optimize my driving route. The traveling salesman problem is NP hard as I remember. So there is no way a GPS would figure that out for you. Though if you can visualize the dozen points on a map, you can probably get quite close enough on your own. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 12:23:35 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a Garmin eMap now long discontinued. IMO the best unit out there considering features and especially price. I'll probably buy a couple more off ebay for insurance. it's not waterproof but that's what ziplock sandwich bags are for. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 13:31:07 2006 From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems To: DC-Cycles Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:30:22 -0400 On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:56:33 -0400 Harry Mantakos wrote: > >...I'd like a unit that I can add.... say, 10 to 15 addresses in, > >and it would optimize my driving route. > > I'd be surprised to find that feature in a GPS. > -harry > Actually, the Garmin SP 2730 claims to do exactly that. http://www.garmin.com/products/sp2730/index.jsp From the features list: "Arrange destinations to minimize trip distance—a real timesaver for realtors, sales forces, and errand-runners" --Jim, recently shopping for GPSs after having my 2610 stolen 10 days ago... :-( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 15:14:29 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:10:31 -0400 To: "Dr. Corona" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] now -this- is lane splitting Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX He's probably storing them where most people keep their brains... -- Mike B. At 4/20/2006 11:59 AM, Dr. Corona wrote: >That guy's cojones are so big I don't understand how he can ride a bike! > >On 4/20/06, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > WOW, big gonads. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- skip wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-MtXymQkjs&search=motorcycle From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 15:27:36 2006 From: "Stephen" To: "'Mike B.'" , "'Dr. Corona'" Cc: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] now -this- is lane splitting Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:25:20 -0400 Wouldn't that make his penis really lumpy ... Stephen With an apology to the ladies on the list who don't have either 'nads or 'nises. -----Original Message----- From: Mike B. [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] To: Dr. Corona Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] now -this- is lane splitting He's probably storing them where most people keep their brains... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 16:48:09 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:48:01 -0400 From: "\"Steven Di Pietro" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems Hi all, It looks like I'll be going with the Garmin StreetPilot 2730. I downloaded the owners manual and found that you actually can add in multiple addresses, and have it Auto-Arrange for shortest distance overall. Anyone have any sources for discounted prices for Garmin and Ram Mount products? -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL "Mini-Cade" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 17:29:22 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:29:08 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems > Anyone have any sources for discounted prices for Garmin and Ram > Mount products? I've had good luck with GPS City and the folks at Cyclegadgets.com are just super to deal with. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 17:47:09 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:47:02 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "adamme@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So if you're a suicidal catholic... but you don't want to rott in hell.. isn't there some kind of clause if you get killed you're forgiven? So by that logic, you go kill someone.. and have the state kill you... so you get a bonus.. you get to take out that prick that just hassled you LOL speaking of suicides on a bike list.. I was reading some kid 20? was riding a kawasaki with no helmet and slamed into the back of a parked commercial truck. The police are thinking it's suicide because he had no helmet... how do they rule it out from just stupidity? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 18:05:47 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:05:38 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report > The police are thinking it's suicide because he had > no helmet... how do they rule it out from just stupidity? There's a difference? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 18:43:32 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:13 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Sounds like the starter on my Blazer has gone bye-bye and me being the complete moron I am when it comes to mechanical stuff need some assistance. My roommate was just looking at it and he can't figure out what is the starter. We can get a replacement but, we don't know what to do with it afterwards. Anyone willing to help a fellow lister out with some wrenching? I'll supply the beer and a pizza. :-) The blazer is currently located in my apartment buildings garage (downtown DC) so, tow truck would be difficult. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 19:02:50 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:02:41 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Jacking Report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX yep. On 4/20/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > The police are thinking it's suicide because he had > > no helmet... how do they rule it out from just stupidity? > > There's a difference? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 19:11:47 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:11:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] now -this- is lane splitting At 11:59 AM 4/20/2006, Dr. Corona wrote: >That guy's cojones are so big I don't understand how he can ride a bike! He can do it because his brain is correspondingly small. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 21:31:41 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:31:29 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems On 4/20/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Anyone have any sources for discounted prices for Garmin and Ram > > Mount products? > > I've had good luck with GPS City and the folks at Cyclegadgets.com are > just super to deal with. I'll second the recommendation on Cyclegadgets... that's where all my RAM stuff came from. As for the GPS, if you don't mind the effort, you can sign up at FJRForums.com and go to the vendors area. There's a company out of Cali (Automap 2000 or something - check the forum) that offers excellent deals to FJRForum members. No prices on line, but they'll shoot you a quote real quick. It was well worth the effort when I bought mine. The 2730 is a sweet unit... it's the "big brother" to my 2610. But, it's somewhat new, so call up Cyclegadgets and make sure they have a RAM mount to fit it. Sometimes, the mounts are a few months behind the actual units. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 21:38:55 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:38:48 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems On 4/20/06, Harry Mantakos wrote: > >...I'd like a unit that I can add.... say, 10 to 15 addresses in, > >and it would optimize my driving route. > > I'd be surprised to find that feature in a GPS. In various > cross-country driving escapades, though, I've used Delorme > Street Atlas, which does have the ability to accept a series > of waypoints and find the most efficient route that hits each > of them. You might be able to use this on a PC, then download > the resulting route to a handheld GPS to take with you. > -harry I'm not picking on Harry here, his message was just convenient. A number of folks have made this same comment. My 2610 is over three years old and it did this out of the box (and I know there are other older Garmins out there that can do it too). Add via points as much as you like and hit the "auto arrange" button. Less than 30 seconds later, it's done. This is not a big deal for most GPS's that are designed for road use. Mike B... you get what you pay for. All of your complaints almost mirror my issues with my last GPS, the Garmin GPS V. A decent GPS, but just too much hassle for the bike. The 2610 was well worth the cost to get a unit that I can pop on the bike (or Jeep) and just go. I'm not bagging on Mike (others will oblige there, I'm sure), but his tale is a good example of why it's worth a fair amount of effort to find out what each different model can do, and also to figure out what you WANT it to do. -- --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 20 23:55:26 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:55:06 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Well, we managed to find it and change it but, nothing. Still hearing a clicking sound when we try to start it. I guess we're just gonna have to try and get a tow truck in and haul it to a mechanic. Thanks though. Scooter In a message dated 4/20/2006 9:27:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smthngelse@XXXXXX writes: On 4/20/06, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > Sounds like the starter on my Blazer has gone bye-bye and me being the > complete moron I am when it comes to mechanical stuff need some > assistance. What year is the Blazer? If it's not too new, it's fairly easy. The starter is generally located on the bottom of the vehicle, usually bolted to the engine near the rear. It may LOOK like it's between the engine and the tranny. Generally, it's four bolts, plus one or two wire contacts. WARNING... Remove the battery cables before attempting any work on starters or alternators!!! They are frequently "hot" even when the vehicle is off. You can fry a lot of stuff if it's connected when you try to unbolt it. For fairly easy stuff like this, it's worthwhile to snag a Chilton's book for your year of Blazer. Any auto parts store will have them, should run about $20 or so. Will have step by step instruction and diagrams. Were I in town, I'd offer to do it. Might be a good idea to see if you can rope someone else into it though... a lot of problems can make it look like you have a dead starter, when the starter isn't actually the problem. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 00:03:04 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:02:56 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Scooter.. Double check your battery cables, and the big lead going to the starter (tight? corrosion? etc?). Check your battery voltage. It's a fairly simple circuit. If the starter/relay is clicking, you know the ignition switch is working. There isn't much else left. Does it click once when you turn the key, or multiple times? Are you actually hearing the starter click, or is it a relay? Take a big screw driver (one that you don't care too much about) and touch it between the big lead and the smaller lead bolted to the starter. Does it engage? (note: sparks will fly.) On 4/20/06, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, we managed to find it and change it but, nothing. Still hearing a > clicking sound when we try to start it. I guess we're just gonna have to try > and get a tow truck in and haul it to a mechanic. Thanks though. > > Scooter -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 01:27:51 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:29:12 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 4/20/2006 11:55 PM, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Well, we managed to find it and change it but, nothing. Still hearing a >clicking sound when we try to start it. I guess we're just gonna have >to try >and get a tow truck in and haul it to a mechanic. Thanks though. Starter relay is a good suspect I'd think. The clicking is probably the solenoid engaging the starter gear to the flywheel (I don't know Blazers, so I'm going on generic info here). That nothing more is happening seems to indicate no power to the starter, and that can be due to a bad starter relay. Many other possibilities of course. That Chilton's suggestion was a good one. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 01:28:15 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:25:03 -0400 To: you@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems At 4/20/2006 09:38 PM, smthng else wrote: >Mike B... you get what you pay for. All of your complaints almost >mirror my issues with my last GPS, the Garmin GPS V. A decent GPS, >but just too much hassle for the bike. No question. I originally got my GPS for hiking, and it works very well for that. Since it came with a car mount, I used it there too. When I got the bike, I decided to put a mount on there for it. I've also used it boating on the bay with good results. That it works well enough in all these uses, for the money I spent, is great. Yes, it could be better, but it would cost several times as much to get that last 10% of performance out of it. Many of the features of the fancier units, like voice directions, I really don't have any need for anyway. A screen that's clearer at all sun angles is the main desire, and it might be possible to fix some of that with a visor for the unit. The limited memory can be dealt with by buying more SD cards...it can't use anything larger than 64 megs (more recent models don't have this limit), but it can fit a fairly large area in one of those (a box with Richmond at the south, Paw Paw and the west, PA on the north and the eastern shore on the east for instance). I may get a new one someday, but for now the one I have works well enough for what I use it for, and doesn't cost anything extra. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 03:06:51 2006 From: "Stephen" To: , Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:04:36 -0400 You've checked the fuses of course, right? Get your volt-meter out. Check that you've got about 12.7 V at the battery terminals with everything off. Try jump starting it. See if the extra juice from another vehicle gets 'er going. You may have caught the "front end" of a failing alternator .. In which case, don't drive it, pull the battery and replace the alternator while the battery charges. If that's a no-go, disconnect the + and - leads from the battery. You will need a hand for this: Check connectivity between the starter ground and the ground on the battery. If there's nothing, have an assistant turn the ignition key to "start" and see if you get connectivity. If that's good, check the +ve side, I think there's usually a straight connection between the battery and the starter. Depending on the year, you may have a "fusible link" in one of the starter connections. They tend to decay over time and just fail. That will generally leave you without a click, so it's probably not that. Next up, check the connections at the battery for the nth time and try again. If you've replaced the starter and the battery is hot, you should be good to go. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX [mailto:scooterfzr@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Sounds like the starter on my Blazer has gone bye-bye and me being the complete moron I am when it comes to mechanical stuff need some assistance. My roommate was just looking at it and he can't figure out what is the starter. We can get a replacement but, we don't know what to do with it afterwards. Anyone willing to help a fellow lister out with some wrenching? I'll supply the beer and a pizza. :-) The blazer is currently located in my apartment buildings garage (downtown DC) so, tow truck would be difficult. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 07:35:04 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:34:36 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: thomas.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Again, mecanically challenged. :-) We're gonna try to get a jump today to see if it'll start. Voltage was reading low probably from all of our attempts to start it. The clicking is multiple times like a machine gun. Not sure if it's the starter or a rely though. We got all the conections as tight as we could get the and used al the new nuts and washers that came with the new starter. Thanks for the suggestions. Scooter In a message dated 4/21/2006 12:03:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thomas.jordan@XXXXXX writes: Scooter.. Double check your battery cables, and the big lead going to the starter (tight? corrosion? etc?). Check your battery voltage. It's a fairly simple circuit. If the starter/relay is clicking, you know the ignition switch is working. There isn't much else left. Does it click once when you turn the key, or multiple times? Are you actually hearing the starter click, or is it a relay? Take a big screw driver (one that you don't care too much about) and touch it between the big lead and the smaller lead bolted to the starter. Does it engage? (note: sparks will fly.) On 4/20/06, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, we managed to find it and change it but, nothing. Still hearing a > clicking sound when we try to start it. I guess we're just gonna have to try > and get a tow truck in and haul it to a mechanic. Thanks though. > > Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 07:42:49 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:42:42 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: dc-cycles At 07:34 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote: >Again, mecanically challenged. :-) We're gonna try to get a jump today to >see if it'll start. Voltage was reading low probably from all of our >attempts to start it. The clicking is multiple times like a machine >gun. Not sure >if it's the starter or a rely though. We got all the conections as tight as >we could get the and used al the new nuts and washers that came with the new >starter. Thanks for the suggestions. > >Scooter Scooter, I hate to tell ya this buddy, but I have a sneaky suspicion that your starter was fine all along. When was the last time you replaced your battery? -aki > >In a message dated 4/21/2006 12:03:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >thomas.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > >Scooter.. Double check your battery cables, and the big lead going to >the starter (tight? corrosion? etc?). Check your battery voltage. It's >a fairly simple circuit. If the starter/relay is clicking, you know >the ignition switch is working. There isn't much else left. Does it >click once when you turn the key, or multiple times? Are you actually >hearing the starter click, or is it a relay? Take a big screw driver >(one that you don't care too much about) and touch it between the big >lead and the smaller lead bolted to the starter. Does it engage? >(note: sparks will fly.) > >On 4/20/06, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well, we managed to find it and change it but, nothing. Still hearing a > > clicking sound when we try to start it. I guess we're just gonna have > to >try > > and get a tow truck in and haul it to a mechanic. Thanks though. > > > > Scooter > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 08:16:18 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:16:11 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Easy fix, bro. Put in a new battery. Starters don't make that rapid-fire noise when they fail... However, a dead battery will have that effect on a starter. On 4/21/06, Aki Damme wrote: > At 07:34 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote: > > >Again, mecanically challenged. :-) We're gonna try to get a jump today to > >see if it'll start. Voltage was reading low probably from all of our > >attempts to start it. The clicking is multiple times like a machine > >gun. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 08:20:10 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:19:57 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: "Thomas Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:16 AM 4/21/2006, Thomas Jordan wrote: >Easy fix, bro. Put in a new battery. Starters don't make that >rapid-fire noise when they fail... However, a dead battery will have >that effect on a starter. > >On 4/21/06, Aki Damme wrote: > > At 07:34 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote: > > > > >Again, mecanically challenged. :-) We're gonna try to get a jump today > to > > >see if it'll start. Voltage was reading low probably from all of our > > >attempts to start it. The clicking is multiple times like a machine > > >gun. Tom, You're clipping quotes that aren't me. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 08:24:39 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:24:27 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: adamme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Been two-three years. Problem is, I was just out in it all day on Sunday and Monday morning it was dead. We thought it might be the battery but, the last time we killed the battery (left a light on inside) there was no clicking just a very weak attempt at turning over. Everything comes on strong right now but, the voltage is low now due to multiple attempts. Hopefully all it needs is jumped now to get things back to normal. BTW, the starter on a Blazer is a BITCH to replace. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 07:34 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote:    >Again, mecanically challenged. :-) We're gonna try to get a jump today to  >see if it'll start. Voltage was reading low probably from all of our  >attempts to start it. The clicking is multiple times like a machine >gun. Not sure  >if it's the starter or a rely though. We got all the conections as tight as  >we could get the and used al the new nuts and washers that came with the new  >starter. Thanks for the suggestions.  >  >Scooter    Scooter,    I hate to tell ya this buddy, but I have a sneaky suspicion that your starter was fine all  along. When was the last time you replaced your battery?    -aki      >  >In a message dated 4/21/2006 12:03:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  >thomas.jordan@XXXXXX writes:  >  >Scooter.. Double check your battery cables, and the big lead going to  >the starter (tight? corrosion? etc?). Check your battery voltage. It's  >a fairly simple circuit. If the starter/relay is clicking, you know  >the ignition switch is working. There isn't much else left. Does it  >click once when you turn the key, or multiple times? Are you actually  >hearing the starter click, or is it a relay? Take a big screw driver  >(one that you don't care too much about) and touch it between the big  >lead and the smaller lead bolted to the starter. Does it engage?  >(note: sparks will fly.)  >  >On 4/20/06, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:  > > Well, we managed to find it and change it but, nothing. Still hearing a  > > clicking sound when we try to start it. I guess we're just gonna have > to  >try  > > and get a tow truck in and haul it to a mechanic. Thanks though.  > >  > > Scooter  >    From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 08:26:48 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:26:34 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: thomas.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Yeah, that's most likely gonna happen today. Thanks. Battery's probably about 3 years old. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Easy fix, bro. Put in a new battery. Starters don't make that rapid-fire noise when they fail... However, a dead battery will have that effect on a starter. On 4/21/06, Aki Damme wrote: > At 07:34 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote: > > >Again, mecanically challenged. :-) We're gonna try to get a jump today to > >see if it'll start. Voltage was reading low probably from all of our > >attempts to start it. The clicking is multiple times like a machine > >gun. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 08:41:20 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:41:13 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Hmm.. Multiple attempts at starting a vehicle with a BAD starter will not really use much power at all... And the starter requires A LOT more current than your radio and other accessories.. Your symptoms definitely point to a dead battery. Check that, a jump start should get you going... And having run a towing company for four years, I've gone to hundreds of vehicles where the owner told me that the vehicle HAD to be towed, because they tried to jump start it and it had no effect. I try it, and it fires right up. You have to make sure all of your connections are good. The GM side-post batteries can be a bitch. Depending on the year of your Blazer, you may have an aux. jump starting terminal somewhere around the fuse/relay box under the hood (and probably with some sort of cap or cover..) Most newer GMs have them for this very reason. Get it started with a jump start. If it dies when you remove the jumper cables, check your alternator. If it doesn't die when you remove the cables, check your voltage across the battery terminals with the truck running. On 4/21/06, wrote: > Been two-three years. Problem is, I was just out in it all day on > Sunday and Monday morning it was dead. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 08:59:38 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:59:20 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: dc-cycles At 08:41 AM 4/21/2006, you wrote: >Hmm.. Multiple attempts at starting a vehicle with a BAD starter will >not really use much power at all... And the starter requires A LOT >more current than your radio and other accessories.. Your symptoms >definitely point to a dead battery. Check that, a jump start should >get you going... And having run a towing company for four years, I've >gone to hundreds of vehicles where the owner told me that the vehicle >HAD to be towed, because they tried to jump start it and it had no >effect. I try it, and it fires right up. You have to make sure all of >your connections are good. The GM side-post batteries can be a bitch. >Depending on the year of your Blazer, you may have an aux. jump >starting terminal somewhere around the fuse/relay box under the hood >(and probably with some sort of cap or cover..) Most newer GMs have >them for this very reason. > >Get it started with a jump start. If it dies when you remove the >jumper cables, check your alternator. If it doesn't die when you >remove the cables, check your voltage across the battery terminals >with the truck running. Yup, I have to agree. A slow crank but no fire is the sign of an almost completely dead battery. A fast clicking means there's enough charge in the cells to make everything "look" like there's enough power but the battery doesn't have enough amps to actually turn the starter over. And the starter requires a significantly higher electrical flow than a dash light will. Usually it's because one of the cells have gone bad. I've had new batteries die out on me in less than a month. Sometimes they're defective. 3-5 years battery life is normal. If it's OEM, 3 years can be normal. My 99 Dodge Durango had a well known problem with it's OEM battery. Works fine one minute and the next, deader than a doorknob. Many of them were dead almost 1 year to the day. And of course, Dodge, in their infinite wisdom, was going to replace that defective battery with *another* defective battery. No thanks, I went and bought an Odyssey battery and it worked great right up to the day the other problems showed up on the Durango which forced me to get rid of it in 03. Word to the wise...never buy a Dodge...especially a POS, gas guzzling, gutless 5.7L electrically cursed, hard riding, noisy ass Durango. -aki -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 09:53:48 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:53:34 -0400 Don't hold back, Aki! Tell us how you *really* feel... ;^) Perry >From: Aki Damme >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:59:20 -0400 > >[snip] >Word to the wise...never buy a Dodge...especially a POS, gas guzzling, >gutless 5.7L >electrically cursed, hard riding, noisy ass Durango. > >-aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 10:04:47 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:04:34 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 09:53 AM 4/21/2006, Perry Coleman wrote: >Don't hold back, Aki! Tell us how you *really* feel... ;^) > >Perry > >>From: Aki Damme >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? >>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:59:20 -0400 >> >>[snip] >>Word to the wise...never buy a Dodge...especially a POS, gas guzzling, >>gutless 5.7L >>electrically cursed, hard riding, noisy ass Durango. >> >>-aki Did I tell you that Chrysler Customer Service (and I use that term extremely loosely), told me that a $1,000 part that they just admitted should rarely, if ever, break, was out of warranty by FIFTY MILES. Me: "Can we come to some kind of compromise? I'm willing to pay for half the cost to repair." CS Rep: "Well, sir. Did you buy an extended warranty?" Me. "No but.." CS Rep " Well then, I bet you WILL next time won't you?" *click..rrrrrrrrrrrrr" Me" "Uh..hello? Hello? WTF???" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 10:06:25 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:06:18 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems On 4/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 4/20/2006 09:38 PM, smthng else wrote: > > >Mike B... you get what you pay for. All of your complaints almost > >mirror my issues with my last GPS, the Garmin GPS V. A decent GPS, > >but just too much hassle for the bike. > > No question. I originally got my GPS for hiking, and it works very well > for that. ..... Just chiming in late here, but I like my eTrex Legend from Garmin, which basically tells me how fast and in which direction I'm getting lost. :) Relatively puny memory, but even with that I've got the detailed maps in the unit covering most of Virginia south and west of Warrenton and most of W. Va. Base map that comes in the unit covers most major US / Canadian routes and state routes and the interstates of course. The eTrex case is 100% waterproof and it's a nice size, so I can use it for off-bike for hiking. I like donwloading the track when I get home, to save some of my seat-of-the-pants navigation for repeat use. Other than that, my main navigation device is the Michelin North American Road Atlas, $16.95. I make color copies of the pages I'll need for a trip, then fold them up into a high tech device called the "map window" on my tank bag. Oddly, the "map window" never needs fresh batteries and never loses the signal under dense foliage. :) It works great at restaurant tables and motel rooms too. Being a perpetual tightwad, I file the color copies away when I get home, for future re-use. I like the Michelin atlas because it's not arranged state-by-state like most. There are two main map scales. Eastern US at a smaller scale and even more detail for the Northeastern metroplex from DC to Boston. I like not having to jump scales on the map every time you cross a state line. Paul in DC 95 VFR Seven-fifty --- 90 KLR Six-fifty From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 10:33:20 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:33:07 -0400 From: "John M. Stafford" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] TODAY: Hauling Philly to Knoxville (and points between) I'm driving from Washington up to Philly today (4-21) to pick up a motorcycle and haul it down to my family stead in eastern Tennessee and then returning on Sunday (4-23). If you need a bike hauled from D.C. to Philly, Philly to D.C., D.C. to SW VA/NE TN (or the reverse or points between) let me know. Please reply via email before 2pm or call my voice mail and leave a message at 866-477-2259. Enjoy, John M. Stafford From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 11:02:47 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:58:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 4/21/2006 08:24 AM, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: >Been two-three years. Problem is, I was just out in it all day on Sunday >and Monday morning it was dead. I once drove to a GF's place, shut it down at the valet parking station, and it wouldn't start again. Had to push it into a parking spot and take a cab to go get a new battery for it. Batteries can be marginal, then dead, in a single trip. > We thought it might be the battery but, the last time we killed the > battery (left a light on inside) there was no clicking just a very weak > attempt at turning over. This battery may be a bit more dead than that one. You won't get a weak turnover if it's really dead...not enough juice to turn the starter over, just enough to trip the relay and maybe engage the solenoid, then nothing. Low voltage at the battery terminals would show this, and if it isn't a sealed battery a hygrometer will tell you its state of charge, but jumping from a good one will definitely tell you if that's the problem. Don't forget to check the starter relay...but if you are getting the buzz-clicks, it's probably ok. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 11:32:22 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:32:15 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Actually, if you are getting the repeated clicks, the relay is definitely ok. That is what sends the signal to the starter assembly.... On 4/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > Don't forget to check the starter relay...but if you are getting the > buzz-clicks, it's probably ok. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 11:47:56 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:47:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? So, what you're saying is that Chrysler is a poor sport because they lived up to the terms of your contract, and warranty, and didn't bend over for you to the tune of $1k? Ok. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 09:53 AM 4/21/2006, Perry Coleman wrote: >Don't hold back, Aki! Tell us how you *really* feel... ;^) > >Perry > >>From: Aki Damme >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? >>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:59:20 -0400 >> >>[snip] >>Word to the wise...never buy a Dodge...especially a POS, gas guzzling, >>gutless 5.7L >>electrically cursed, hard riding, noisy ass Durango. >> >>-aki Did I tell you that Chrysler Customer Service (and I use that term extremely loosely), told me that a $1,000 part that they just admitted should rarely, if ever, break, was out of warranty by FIFTY MILES. Me: "Can we come to some kind of compromise? I'm willing to pay for half the cost to repair." CS Rep: "Well, sir. Did you buy an extended warranty?" Me. "No but.." CS Rep " Well then, I bet you WILL next time won't you?" *click..rrrrrrrrrrrrr" Me" "Uh..hello? Hello? WTF???" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 11:57:16 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:57:08 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:47 AM 4/21/2006, Dave Yates wrote: >So, what you're saying is that Chrysler is a poor sport because they lived up >to the terms of your contract, and warranty, and didn't bend over for you to >the tune of $1k? > >Ok. Nope, that's NOT what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that after several phone calls and meetings with the local and regional reps, they all agreed with me that the part shouldn't have failed but they wouldn't budge one bit on even paying for the defective part. I was more than willing to pay half or more if they would just pitch in *something* as a good will gesture. I never asked for any handout. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 12:06:40 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 11:47 AM 4/21/2006, Dave Yates wrote: >So, what you're saying is that Chrysler is a poor sport because they lived up >to the terms of your contract, and warranty, and didn't bend over for you to >the tune of $1k? > >Ok. Nope, that's NOT what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that after several phone calls and meetings with the local and regional reps, they all agreed with me that the part shouldn't have failed but they wouldn't budge one bit on even paying for the defective part. I was more than willing to pay half or more if they would just pitch in *something* as a good will gesture. I never asked for any handout. [Dave] So what exact goodwill gesture did you ask for, a sympathy card? You asked them to pay for it, then split it with you... That's not a handout? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 12:06:41 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 11:47 AM 4/21/2006, Dave Yates wrote: >So, what you're saying is that Chrysler is a poor sport because they lived up >to the terms of your contract, and warranty, and didn't bend over for you to >the tune of $1k? > >Ok. Nope, that's NOT what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that after several phone calls and meetings with the local and regional reps, they all agreed with me that the part shouldn't have failed but they wouldn't budge one bit on even paying for the defective part. I was more than willing to pay half or more if they would just pitch in *something* as a good will gesture. I never asked for any handout. [Dave] So what exact goodwill gesture did you ask for, a sympathy card? You asked them to pay for it, then split it with you... That's not a handout? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 12:11:12 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:11:01 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: It's ALIVE!!!!!! was Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Sorta. The jump start worked but, as soon as he turned it off it wouldn't turn over again. Either didn't keep it running long enough or it's totally shot. Either way, going to go get a new battery this afternoon and maybe do some car shopping this weekend. ;-) Thanks for all the help. At least I know the starter should last me for a while. :-) Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Hmm.. Multiple attempts at starting a vehicle with a BAD starter will not really use much power at all... And the starter requires A LOT more current than your radio and other accessories.. Your symptoms definitely point to a dead battery. Check that, a jump start should get you going... And having run a towing company for four years, I've gone to hundreds of vehicles where the owner told me that the vehicle HAD to be towed, because they tried to jump start it and it had no effect. I try it, and it fires right up. You have to make sure all of your connections are good. The GM side-post batteries can be a bitch. Depending on the year of your Blazer, you may have an aux. jump starting terminal somewhere around the fuse/relay box under the hood (and probably with some sort of cap or cover..) Most newer GMs have them for this very reason. Get it started with a jump start. If it dies when you remove the jumper cables, check your alternator. If it doesn't die when you remove the cables, check your voltage across the battery terminals with the truck running. On 4/21/06, wrote: > Been two-three years. Problem is, I was just out in it all day on > Sunday and Monday morning it was dead. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 12:13:28 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:05:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 4/21/2006 11:32 AM, Thomas Jordan wrote: >Actually, if you are getting the repeated clicks, the relay is >definitely ok. That is what sends the signal to the starter >assembly.... Not definitely...it's still possible for the relay to click without it actually routing power (not really "signal") to the starter. It's unlikely to fail in that way though, which is why I said "probably". Maybe that could be "almost certainly", but not "definitely". For those who want details: A relay is a small electromagnet and some contacts...forming an electrically controlled switch. The starter can draw 30+ amps, and you don't want that running through the ignition switch where your hand might join the circuit (nor do they want to try routing the diameter of wire needed to carry it there), so they run a smaller current through the ignition switch (when the key is on) that just energizes the coil in the starter relay, not the starter motor itself. When the coil gets power, the magnetic field pulls the contacts closed (the click) that routes power to the starter from the battery. If the relay coil and its connections are good, you will get a click, but if the power contacts to the starter assembly from the relay are bad (broken off, worn down by use, etc.), you still won't get power to the starter. This is possible, but unlikely. However, once you've eliminated the likely, it's useful to know about the unlikely. In this case it really does sound like a dead battery...or possibly a dead battery due to a bad charging system (alternator, voltage regulator, belt, etc.). Bikes are often done the same way BTW...to avoid having to run battery-cable sized wires up to the handlebar-mounted start button mostly, but also to make that switch smaller than it would have to be to handle starter currents. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 12:27:23 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:27:11 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? To: dc-cycles At 12:06 PM 4/21/2006, you wrote: >At 11:47 AM 4/21/2006, Dave Yates wrote: > > >So, what you're saying is that Chrysler is a poor sport because they lived > up > >to the terms of your contract, and warranty, and didn't bend over for you to > > >the tune of $1k? > > > >Ok. > > >Nope, that's NOT what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that after several phone >calls and meetings with the local and regional reps, they all agreed with me >that the part shouldn't have failed but they wouldn't >budge one bit on even paying for the defective part. I was more than willing >to pay half or more if they would just pitch in *something* as a good will >gesture. > >I never asked for any handout. > >[Dave] So what exact goodwill gesture did you ask for, a sympathy card? >You asked them to pay for it, then split it with you... That's not a handout? > you know, think what you want to think. I'm not getting into this with you. Go and try to start a fight with someone who gives a shit. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 12:30:55 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:30:47 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? The relay doesn't make the repeated clicking noises that he's hearing. The relay clicks once. The starter solenoid makes the louder repeated clicking noises. In order for the starter solenoid to get any signal, the relay has to be operating. Period. Unless somebody inadvertantly installed a flasher for the starter relay, in which case I would consider your argument valid. So, with that being said, the relay is definitely working. Thank you. On 4/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > Not definitely...it's still possible for the relay to click without it > actually routing power (not really "signal") to the starter. It's unlikely > to fail in that way though, which is why I said "probably". Maybe that > could be "almost certainly", but not "definitely". -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 13:33:08 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:31:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: It's ALIVE!!!!!! was Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 4/21/2006 12:11 PM, scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: >Sorta. The jump start worked but, as soon as he turned it off it wouldn't >turn over again. Either didn't keep it running long enough or it's >totally shot. If it kept running after you unhooked the jumper cables, at least you know the alternator is good. Given that, it's really likely the battery is shot and won't take/hold a charge. > Either way, going to go get a new battery this afternoon and maybe do > some car shopping this weekend. ;-) Thanks for all the help. I think you'll find that a new car is a lot more expensive than a new battery... ;-) >At least I know the starter should last me for a while. >:-) And you have a spare! ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 13:33:09 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:34:47 -0400 To: "Thomas Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? At 4/21/2006 12:30 PM, Thomas Jordan wrote: >The relay doesn't make the repeated clicking noises that he's hearing. >The relay clicks once. The starter solenoid makes the louder repeated >clicking noises. Good point. You win. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 13:53:26 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:53:19 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Yay. Of course, we all know what they say about winning an argument on the internet..... On 4/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > Good point. You win. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 14:46:18 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:48:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Were we arguing? -- Mike B. At 4/21/2006 01:53 PM, Thomas Jordan wrote: >Yay. Of course, we all know what they say about winning an argument on >the internet..... > >On 4/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > > Good point. You win. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 17:11:50 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:11:37 -0400 Your rebuttal of Thomas's assertion that the solenoid was definitely working constitutes an argument. There was an active discourse between the two of you pertaining to the operational state of the solenoid. So to answer your question . . . yes, you were arguing. Of course, if you disagree, then we'd be arguing...the choice is yours. :) - Sean Jordan >From: "Mike B." >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:48:42 -0400 > >Were we arguing? > >-- Mike B. > >At 4/21/2006 01:53 PM, Thomas Jordan wrote: >>Yay. Of course, we all know what they say about winning an argument on >>the internet..... >> >>On 4/21/06, Mike B. wrote: >> > Good point. You win. > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 17:31:35 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:31:28 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Actually, it was the relay. Yay! I won again!!!!! On 4/21/06, Sean Jordan wrote: > Your rebuttal of Thomas's assertion that the solenoid was definitely working > constitutes an argument. There was an active discourse between the two of > you pertaining to the operational state of the solenoid. > > So to answer your question . . . yes, you were arguing. > > Of course, if you disagree, then we'd be arguing...the choice is yours. > > :) > > - Sean Jordan > > > >From: "Mike B." > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? > >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:48:42 -0400 > > > >Were we arguing? > > > >-- Mike B. > > > >At 4/21/2006 01:53 PM, Thomas Jordan wrote: > >>Yay. Of course, we all know what they say about winning an argument on > >>the internet..... > >> > >>On 4/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > >> > Good point. You win. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 17:38:48 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:38:36 -0400 D'oh. I stand corrected. >From: "Thomas Jordan" >Actually, it was the relay. Yay! I won again!!!!! >On 4/21/06, Sean Jordan wrote: > > Your rebuttal of Thomas's assertion that the solenoid was definitely >working > > constitutes an argument. There was an active discourse between the two >of > > you pertaining to the operational state of the solenoid. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 17:40:52 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:42:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Yep! Aren't you *special*! ;-) -- Mike B. At 4/21/2006 05:31 PM, Thomas Jordan wrote: >Actually, it was the relay. Yay! I won again!!!!! > >On 4/21/06, Sean Jordan wrote: > > Your rebuttal of Thomas's assertion that the solenoid was definitely > working From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 18:24:26 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:24:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Misha To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] insurance In NC, my car liability insurance is $250 and my motorcycle liability insurance is $50 (Both by Geico) Can anyone explain why the car insurance is higher then motorcycle? Aren't the motorcycles suppose to be more risky? I can only suggest that you can create more damage with the car, because it is heavier, but not convinced. Misha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 18:53:25 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] insurance To: DC Cycles You'd have to ask a professional to know for sure, but to mee it looks like they're considering the amount of damage each vehicle can do. A 4,000 to 5,000 lb car can do more damage than a 500 lb motorcycle. Since liability insurance does not cover damages to the bike itself or the rider, the fact that it's more risky for the rider doesn't matter. YMMV. Brian --- Misha wrote: > In NC, my car liability insurance is $250 and > my motorcycle liability insurance is $50 (Both by > Geico) > > Can anyone explain why the car insurance is higher > then motorcycle? Aren't the motorcycles suppose to > be > more risky? I can only suggest that you can create > more damage with the car, because it is heavier, but > not convinced. > > Misha > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 19:39:06 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:37:56 -0400 From: skip To: Misha , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] insurance it's the damage caused by the vehicle. think about it... and it's why house insurace is so cheap -- you can't get all liquored up and take your (not nash) rambler out for a spin. :~) Misha wrote: > > In NC, my car liability insurance is $250 and > my motorcycle liability insurance is $50 (Both by > Geico) > > Can anyone explain why the car insurance is higher > then motorcycle? Aren't the motorcycles suppose to be > more risky? I can only suggest that you can create > more damage with the car, because it is heavier, but > not convinced. > > Misha > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 20:17:45 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:17:37 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Paul Wilson" Subject: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems Woo hoo. Motorcycle topics – not rants! I've been away Wilson Posted: "Just chiming in late here, but I like my eTrex Legend from Garmin, which basically tells me how fast and in which direction I'm getting lost. :) Other than that, my main navigation device is the Michelin North American Road Atlas, $16.95. I make color copies of the pages I'll need for a trip, then fold them up into a high tech device called the "map window" on my tank bag. Oddly, the "map window" never needs fresh batteries and never loses the signal under dense foliage. :) It works great at restaurant tables and motel rooms too. Being a perpetual tightwad, I file the color copies away when I get home, for future re-use. [Carl]: Yeah, until GPS' have 2 foot by 3 foot screens, paper maps will continue to be an invaluable aid of navigation. Well, at least for plotting an adventure. I like the Michelin atlas because it's not arranged state-by-state like most. [Carl]: Thanks for the tip, Michelin's are still by far the best maps for Europe. 95 VFR Seven-fifty --- 90 KLR Six-fifty [Carl]: Now the owner of an '88 NX 650. Just got in with it from Maine tonight. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 21:21:08 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:20:58 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] IT'S ALIVE!!!! ALLLLIIIIIIVVVVVEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Well folks, new battery and it's purring like a kitten.  Thanks all.  It was funny though, we got it jumped and I took it to Auto Zone to get a battery.  There were two older guys in the parking lot that were acting as on the street mechanics.  I was replacing the batery and they came over to ask if they could do it for me.  Then when I went to leave, one had checked out my brakes and said that they would need replacing soon.  He said that if I went in and bought the pads, they would replace them right there.  lol  Anyway, back up and running again.   Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 21 23:39:50 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:39:34 -0400 I got curious about the state of the art of solenoids and relays and poked around. Try this (particularly the subparts mentioned which have some great graphics): http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troubleshooting/l/aa080203a.htm Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Hearty starter Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 22 00:08:33 2006 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:08:26 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list auto mechanically inclined? On 4/21/06, W.S. wrote: > I got curious about the state of the art of solenoids and relays and poked > around. Try this (particularly the subparts mentioned which have some great > graphics): > > http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troubleshooting/l/aa080203a.htm Sorry... they get no cred with me. They didn't mention the easiest fix for jammed Bendix arms and bearings... whack it with a hammer. If you get a starter that clicks (like the source of this thread), it's frequently not the starter and turns out to be something battery related. If you get one that "thunks" or clicks VERY loudly, it's a good bet that it's a jammed Bendix arm. Whack the starter with a hammer to get it out. I had a Buick that required this treatment about once a week, regardless of how many times I tried replacing the starter assembly. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 22 08:32:06 2006 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:31:55 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Custer" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Navigation Systems On 4/21/06, Carl Custer wrote: > > I like the Michelin atlas because it's not arranged state-by-state > like most. > [Carl]: Thanks for the tip, Michelin's are still by far the best maps > for Europe. > The Michelin has led me astray a couple of times in the hinterlands. Most recently in the mountains of North Carolina, in the Nantahala National Forest. Michelin shows a road running south out of Andrews, connecting to US 64 at Hayesville. It's there, just barely. It's a primitive Forest Service road that's KLR-able, but not passable on the Viffer. It would not have passed muster in a low-clearance cage either. Another time Michelin routed me onto a "state" road in New Mexico that was a maintenance-optional dirt track. Twenty miles of horrible ruts and washboard, but back tracking would have tacked 100 miles onto the day's mileage, so I persevered. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 22 08:41:59 2006 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:41:52 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Paper Navigation Systems Paul Warned: > The Michelin has led me astray a couple of times in the hinterlands. > Most recently in the mountains of North Carolina, in the Nantahala > National Forest. Michelin shows a road running south out of Andrews, > connecting to US 64 at Hayesville. It's there, just barely. It's a > primitive Forest Service road that's KLR-able, but not passable on the > Viffer. It would not have passed muster in a low-clearance cage > either. > > Another time Michelin routed me onto a "state" road in New Mexico that > was a maintenance-optional dirt track. Twenty miles of horrible ruts > and washboard, but back tracking would have tacked 100 miles onto the > day's mileage, so I persevered. [Carl]: So a stack of Delorme's or ADC's might be the best for the minor roads? FWIW, many State highway depts have detailed county maps really cheap. A few years ago, I picked up sets of everything in Merryland west of Baltimore for $8. In sizes 8.5 X 11 and 16 X 22. I used to do that in Texas for plotting bicycle routes. Dunno about Virginny, you might need a permit :^) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 22 09:10:41 2006 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:10:34 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Custer" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Paper Navigation Systems On 4/22/06, Carl Custer wrote: > Paul Warned: > > The Michelin has led me astray a couple of times in the hinterlands. > > Most recently in the mountains of North Carolina, in the Nantahala > > National Forest. Michelin shows a road running south out of Andrews, > > connecting to US 64 at Hayesville. It's there, just barely. It's a > > primitive Forest Service road that's KLR-able, but not passable on the > > Viffer. It would not have passed muster in a low-clearance cage > > either. > > > > Another time Michelin routed me onto a "state" road in New Mexico that > > was a maintenance-optional dirt track. Twenty miles of horrible ruts > > and washboard, but back tracking would have tacked 100 miles onto the > > day's mileage, so I persevered. > > [Carl]: So a stack of Delorme's or ADC's might be the best for the minor roads? > FWIW, many State highway depts have detailed county maps really cheap. > A few years ago, I picked up sets of everything in Merryland west of > Baltimore for $8. In sizes 8.5 X 11 and 16 X 22. > Oh yes, the Delorme Atlases of Md., W.Va. and Va. are musts for back road scratching in the Commonwealth and its lesser, adjoining jurisdictions. ;-) Throw in Ohio, too, the SE part of the state (still) being one of the best-kept secrets in motorcycling. Dunno about around here, but in Ohio most county road departments have maps that are free for the asking. The County Engineer is an elected position and no doubt the freebies are meant to curry favor with the electorate. -Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 22 09:40:51 2006 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:40:42 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "Bruce N" Subject: [dc-cycles] Trip route suggestions? Bruce N claimed he was "Thinking of a trip to the Cherahola (sp?) Skyway in a few weeks and I'm looking for route suggestions. 5-7 days total there and back. Riding a sportbike. Some nights camping, some hoteling, some Blue Ridge Parkway along the way but other than that I have few requirements. Any suggestions?" Yes, Glenn Dysart's suggestions were great. The BRP is a great piece of road. As for boring, just keep up to the speed limit around all of the curves and most folks will find that entertaining. Stop at the vistas and imagine farming that area 150 years ago. Camping: Google "motorcycle camping" and that should bring up several motorcycle only campgrounds in the area. Three of my favorite are Willville in Meadows of Dan, just off the BRP. BRMC, in Cruso, NC, and TWO in Suches, GA. A buddy in Tellico Plains, TN is opening Hunts Lodge www.huntslodge.com . That's right at one end of the Cherohala. He's a native and knows all of the area roads. Want a hard roof over you? Try < http://www.motelguide.com/> for a list. I found the "Boone Trail" in Boone, worth every cent of the $26 dollars one summer when a rainy front moved in. The Aldeco in Matamoros, OH is under new management and has reportedly removed the rock hard beds for something more comfy – but still lets you park your bike under the porch. For the trip back, Glen's recommendations are great but for something really different, you could also try route 160 from Appalachia, VA to Lynch, KY (neat mining museum there). A few folks have characterized that road as making Deals Gap seem like a parkway. Work your way north and back to Tazewell, VA. Visit Burkes Garden, a closed valley with one interesting road in from the west and a dirt bike road in to the east. Route 16 from Tazewell north to Beckley, W(BG)V is both interesting and scenic Google the "Rocket Boys" for local charm. From Beckley, you have dozens of options for the return to your nation's capitol. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 22 09:53:56 2006 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:53:49 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Ohio! Wilson Proposed: "Throw in Ohio, too, the SE part of the state (still) being one of the best-kept secrets in motorcycling." [Carl]: Yeah, but heck the State road map is pretty dang good too. Just try all of the roads with a 78 or a 55 in the route number and that should entertain you for a while. COTU has met in Marietta for a while. And SME x.9's have rambled from Leith Run, to Hocking Hills to Burr Oak. All great sites. In fact SME 10.9 is in two weeks. We're getting saner. April's sleet and snow were adventuresome but we've proven we're tough, time to smell the flowers. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 22 10:41:06 2006 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:40:57 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Custer" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Ohio! Carl Custer, in his bid to single-handedly improve the signal-to-noise ratio on the list, wrote: > > [Carl]: Yeah, but heck the (Ohio) State road map is pretty dang good too. > Just try all of the roads with a 78 or a 55 in the route number and > that should entertain you for a while. > COTU has met in Marietta for a while. And SME x.9's have rambled from > Leith Run, to Hocking Hills to Burr Oak. All great sites. In fact > SME 10.9 is in two weeks. We're getting saner. April's sleet and > snow were adventuresome but we've proven we're tough, time to smell > the flowers. > > Carl in Bethesda > Yup, COTU (Center of the Universe VFR Rally) in Marietta: been there, done that, got the tee shirt. I can't go this year, but it's a fantastic ride, even if you don't own a VFR, or other V-4 critter. Google up "COTU." In think it's the second week of May, usually. And the ride to Marietta from here is none too shabby either. It's had to find a bad road within 50 miles of Marietta in any direction. If your sole exposure to the Buckeye State is the Ohio Turnpike or I-70, banish those boring slabs from your mind. -P, Ohio native.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 23 14:09:03 2006 From: Patrick Carter To: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:08:40 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FORSALE 2004 Triumph Speed 4 http://www.nesba.com/TrackTalk/bb/Forum4/HTML/005631.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 24 09:06:20 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:06:11 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Navigation Systems FWIW - visit any collection of the long distance rallyers (Iton Butt types) and what you're going to see are Garmin Street Pilot and 276c units. Not exclusively, but 90+%. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 24 13:52:58 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:51:13 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] The question is........... http://clip.break.com/dnet/media/content/bikecrash18.wmv Assuming he was up on his pegs...could he have gone over the obstacle without having what happened happen? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 24 14:12:47 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The question is........... To: Julian Halton , DC Cycles looks like the front tire hits the seat square on. figure a narrow seat a minimum of 8" wide. so, if he could manage to get the front wheel over an 8" 'curb' (imagine he was braking pretty hard, so this would be difficult)...followed by the back tire a few feet later....all the while jumping/bouncing/bucking over the downed bike's left flank while both bikes are traveling across the asphalt (at different speeds).....then, yeah I think he could've bunny-hopped over it by standing on the pegs ;). similar to if i ride at high speeds and take my hands off the bars and hold my arms out the side...will I be able to fly like an airplane. i imagine it is possible he could've ridden over the downed bike, but it would be purely luck if he managed to keep the bike upright in the particular case shown on the video. - Jimmy --- Julian Halton wrote: > Assuming he was up on his pegs...could he have gone over the > obstacle > without having what happened happen? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 24 14:53:34 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:52:09 -0400 From: skip CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The question is........... I tend to agree with Jimmy. if he'd pulled a wheelie and gotten -really- lucky he might have remained upright. i don't think there's any way he would have had a bike that was in race form after, though... but it's not like he did anyway :~) --skip James O'Connor wrote: > > looks like the front tire hits the seat square on. figure a narrow > seat a minimum of 8" wide. so, if he could manage to get the front > wheel over an 8" 'curb' (imagine he was braking pretty hard, so this > would be difficult)...followed by the back tire a few feet > later....all the while jumping/bouncing/bucking over the downed > bike's left flank while both bikes are traveling across the asphalt > (at different speeds).....then, yeah I think he could've bunny-hopped > over it by standing on the pegs ;). similar to if i ride at high > speeds and take my hands off the bars and hold my arms out the > side...will I be able to fly like an airplane. > > i imagine it is possible he could've ridden over the downed bike, > but it would be purely luck if he managed to keep the bike upright in > the particular case shown on the video. > > - Jimmy > > --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > Assuming he was up on his pegs...could he have gone over the > > obstacle > > without having what happened happen? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 24 17:39:19 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The question is........... Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:42:46 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Julian Halton" > Assuming he was up on his pegs...could he have gone over the obstacle > without having what happened happen? > The answer is HELL NO! John W. Former dirt racer and successful runner over of other bikes, dirt bikes, _on_ a dirt bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 26 12:02:48 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] The question is........... Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:02:31 -0400 No. This sort of accident is not uncommon in racing when you have a pack of riders approaching an obstacle - by the time everyone in front dodges and the last guy in line has a clear view of the body and/or bike in his path, it's already WAY too late for him to change his line. If you watch, he nails the brakes pretty good right before nailing the crashed bike - his forks dive pretty hard. Also, from what I can see, these guys are riding 125s - no way they'd be able to pull a wheelie of sufficient magnitude at that pace/part of the track to make any difference. - Sean Jordan >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: [dc-cycles] The question is........... >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:51:13 -0400 > > > >http://clip.break.com/dnet/media/content/bikecrash18.wmv > > >Assuming he was up on his pegs...could he have gone over the obstacle >without having what happened happen? > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 27 12:31:07 2006 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "B-DC cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The question is........... Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:30:51 -0400 Similar thing happened to me at Summit Point few years ago during a race. First thing that crossed my mind was NOT to hit the rider that went down. After avoiding the rider then there was a sliding bike in my path. I let go the brakes lifted my ass tried to run over it but NO, I was up in the air. I fractured my right wrist, elbow & shoulder but was able to walk away. I later learnt that in a case like this hold your line and DO NOT LOOK at the obstacles, look at a safe spot to avoid hitting anything. --------------------- Shig Honda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "B-DC cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The question is........... > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Julian Halton" > > > Assuming he was up on his pegs...could he have gone over the obstacle > > without having what happened happen? > > > > > The answer is HELL NO! > > John W. Former dirt racer and successful runner over of other bikes, dirt bikes, _on_ a dirt bike. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 27 21:39:37 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The question is........... Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:39:20 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Shigeru Honda" > DO NOT LOOK at the > obstacles, look at a safe spot to avoid hitting anything. Do _NOT_ underestimate the importance of that advice. It is damn hard to do but critically important in any emergency. Train yourself. I learned it in the dirt but it has saved my ass on the street more then once. John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 1 11:41:26 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:41:11 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Wayne Edelen Wayne - my emails to you seem to be getting rejected by a spam-filter. I would still like the Kushi jacket if you'd be so kind as to send it to me. Thanks! - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 1 13:24:21 2006 Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 13:18:45 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: [dc-cycles] Weekend ride This weekend I headed out to the mountains with a co-worker. I was on the '97 VFR, he was on a brand new GSXR 1000. We met at the Sheetz at 55 and 15 in Haymarket among a throng of ready, willing and able dcsportbike.com riders. There were at least 40 bikes there. We filled up and headed out ahead of the crowd - 55 to Beverly Mill and across to Warrenton via 29. Made our way to the Byway across to 211, up and over the mountain and back via a few backroads to 55, Middleburg, Snikersville and 50. It was a breautiful day to ride in the afternoon, but that morning wind felt cold on the mountain. The GSXR was still under 500 miles and being broken in gently, so I never saw anything over 8k RPMs. What I did see was a scary fast bike, with tons of power at the throttle. I just had to think about a curve and I was leaned over into it. Unfortunately, in traffic, it was the most uncomfortable thing I have been on. My knees wanted to pop out. A great bike for track days, mountain weekends, etc. Just not a daily rider (for me, YMMV). -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 2 17:10:27 2006 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:10:08 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW Does anyone know of MC parking around 10/F? Metered or not metered? Thanks, Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 2 17:51:29 2006 From: "Patrick Carter" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FORSALE 2004 Triumph Speed 4 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:50:12 -0400 Still for sale. Make best offer http://www.nesba.com/TrackTalk/bb/Forum4/HTML/005631.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 09:20:34 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:20:16 -0400 From: "La Follette, Judy" To: "rich hall" , I had seen a couple bikes parked there for a few days now. Last night I saw about seven bikes parked there, and saw (from across the street) they had a Four-hour motorcycle only parking sign up there. I am not sure how strict they are on the four-hour parking--if you would have to move your bike or not. Judy -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW Does anyone know of MC parking around 10/F? Metered or not metered? Thanks, Rich This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 09:37:14 2006 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:37:05 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "La Follette, Judy" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW Cc: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Also, there is a new (in past month or two) signed m/c parking area on 11th St. NW, between G St. and H St. NW. Not metered, but with 4 hour parking signs. On 5/3/06, La Follette, Judy wrote: > I had seen a couple bikes parked there for a few days now. Last night I > saw about seven bikes parked there, and saw (from across the street) > they had a Four-hour motorcycle only parking sign up there. I am not > sure how strict they are on the four-hour parking--if you would have to > move your bike or not. > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:10 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW > > Does anyone know of MC parking around 10/F? > Metered or not metered? > > Thanks, > > Rich > > > > > > > This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 09:49:13 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:48:58 -0400 For what it's worth, I saw a Parking Enforcement person giving out tickets to some bikes parked at 18th and G, NW when I was last down there. It was right around 1:00, so I can only assume that they were going after the 4 hour violators. That has got to be the most ridiculous policy! Perry >From: "Aaron Maurer" >To: "La Follette, Judy" >CC: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW >Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:37:05 -0400 > >Also, there is a new (in past month or two) signed m/c parking area on >11th St. NW, between G St. and H St. NW. Not metered, but with 4 hour >parking signs. > > > >On 5/3/06, La Follette, Judy wrote: >>I had seen a couple bikes parked there for a few days now. Last night I >>saw about seven bikes parked there, and saw (from across the street) >>they had a Four-hour motorcycle only parking sign up there. I am not >>sure how strict they are on the four-hour parking--if you would have to >>move your bike or not. >> >>Judy >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:10 PM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW >> >>Does anyone know of MC parking around 10/F? >>Metered or not metered? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Rich >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 10:08:58 2006 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:08:41 -0400 Where exactly is this? I'm not working over there yet. Thanks >From: "La Follette, Judy" >To: "rich hall" , >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW >Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:20:16 -0400 > >I had seen a couple bikes parked there for a few days now. Last night I >saw about seven bikes parked there, and saw (from across the street) >they had a Four-hour motorcycle only parking sign up there. I am not >sure how strict they are on the four-hour parking--if you would have to >move your bike or not. >Judy > >-----Original Message----- >From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:10 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW > >Does anyone know of MC parking around 10/F? >Metered or not metered? >Thanks, >Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 10:33:15 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:32:58 -0400 From: "La Follette, Judy" To: "Aaron Maurer" Cc: "rich hall" , Oh, I think the one I was thinking was on 10th Street is actually the one on 11th Street, NW, that Aaron is speaking about. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] To: La Follette, Judy Cc: rich hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW Also, there is a new (in past month or two) signed m/c parking area on 11th St. NW, between G St. and H St. NW. Not metered, but with 4 hour parking signs. On 5/3/06, La Follette, Judy wrote: > I had seen a couple bikes parked there for a few days now. Last night I > saw about seven bikes parked there, and saw (from across the street) > they had a Four-hour motorcycle only parking sign up there. I am not > sure how strict they are on the four-hour parking--if you would have to > move your bike or not. > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:10 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking 10/F NW > > Does anyone know of MC parking around 10/F? > Metered or not metered? > > Thanks, > > Rich > > > > > > > This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. > > This e-mail message is intended only for individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your mailbox. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 11:58:56 2006 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:58:46 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Motorcycle Parking in DC Rick, A list of all street parking for motorcycles in DC. http://mayoreric.com/moto/parking.html Have fun! -James '06 Monster S2R Dark PS: be sure to move your bike to another meter after your 4-hour time limit is up. I've gotten a ticket for leaving it in the same spot after feeding the meter. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 13:33:21 2006 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:32:55 -0400 From: Patrick Carter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 2004 Mazda RX-8 Hey everyone, We are selling our car to the best offer. If anyone is interested let me know. Need to sell ASAP. Thanks. http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/car/157114348.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 13:47:49 2006 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:47:36 -0400 From: Patrick Carter To: Patrick Carter , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: 2004 Mazda RX-8 I should probably mention that he ad has almost 50 pictures and is almost 20 megs. ---- Patrick Carter wrote: > Hey everyone, > > We are selling our car to the best offer. If anyone is interested let me know. Need to sell ASAP. Thanks. > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/car/157114348.html > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 14:44:23 2006 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:44:08 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: 2004 Mazda RX-8 You should probably mention that this car has been hit hard in the rear end and has had a fair amount of body work.... On 5/3/06, Patrick Carter wrote: > I should probably mention that he ad has almost 50 pictures and is almost 20 megs. > -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 15:02:02 2006 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: 2004 Mazda RX-8 To: Thomas Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX And the obvious question - isn't this a motorcycle forum. Speaking of motorcycles...if anyone saw a green ZRX stopped along DTR westbound on Monday with the boys in the blue parked behind it - that was me receiving my first speeding ticket on the bike. Fun stuff. Note to self - when slightly exceeding the pace of other traffic, do not zone out and pass 3 marked state police cars running radar. Now I have to be good for 3 years, or at least run the next time. :( --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > You should probably mention that this car has been hit hard in the > rear end and has had a fair amount of body work.... > > > > On 5/3/06, Patrick Carter wrote: > > I should probably mention that he ad has almost 50 pictures and > is almost 20 megs. > > > > > -Thomas Jordan > J&L Automotive > 703-327-5239 > Jordan Motorsports Photography > 703-652-9357 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 19:03:02 2006 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:02:52 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: 2004 Mazda RX-8 w/ moto content / rider down Eh, no.... I know Pat (original poster.) I know that Pat was in a red RX-8 that was hit hard in the rear end a few months ago. 2+2=4. Oh yeah.. And since this is a motorcycle list, I'll include some moto-content.... One of my coworkers told me that there was a downed bike on VA Rt.28 (SB) at Mclearen road last night, with a helicopter coming in for a landing.. Anyone know of this incident? On 5/3/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > Carfax? ;^) I can't believe you waded through all of those pictures to get > to the one with the VIN at the end... I only did it to see where you found > the VIN! Handy, though... > > Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 19:05:56 2006 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:05:49 -0400 From: "Dave Blumgart" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Frogger If you remember that game from the 80's.... [Alternative title: What an asshole ... Watch the far right lane] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbY0Jh9_RJ8 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 20:54:39 2006 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:54:26 -0400 From: Aki Damme To: dc-cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Sabre Side Panel Spotted I was told that there is a silver/red Sabre plastic side panel on FFCO parkway. Just passing it on if it's someone on the list that lost it. If you need to know more details, ping me off list. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 3 23:17:31 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Frogger Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:17:10 -0400 From: "Joel Watkinson" To: "Dave Blumgart" , WHOA! Would be better if he didn't hit anything/anyone, but he does hit that white car on his way through. How can you not see that everyone else is stopped at the light even if you don't notice the color of the light? Heck, how about the cars going perpendicular to you? WOW! WHAT A DUMBASS! > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Blumgart [mailto:DBLUMGART@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:16 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] Frogger > > > If you remember that game from the 80's.... > > > [Alternative title: What an asshole ... Watch the far right lane] > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbY0Jh9_RJ8 > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 5 16:56:55 2006 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:56:43 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Wayne Edelen Please contact me off-list - I'm getting blocked by some sort of spam filters. Thanks! - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 7 19:55:36 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:55:13 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Faith restorations With all the poor (some deserved) raps given over time on this list to public servants and other miscreants, some relief seems in order. One moderate and two small recent events have generated smiles. Arlington parking. Having overstayed a meter by an hour at the large Courthouse lot, I came out to find a ticket completely filled out with "$0" in the fine category and a "warning" noted. I called to verify, and yes, there was no fine expected. Possibly my first experience in 25 years with a warning parking ticket. Baltimore parking. Trying to squeeze in a quick trip inside the restaurant pavilion at the Inner Harbor, I parked in the loading zone just to the west. My bad. As I was coming out, there was a horseback officer just finishing a writeup. It was a lovely day, which I remarked about, and also showed him the purchase from inside which verified I was in fact "loading", all the while with a guilty grin. Surprise - he went along with it, said not again, wished me a good day, and rode on. Good Samaritan Metro rider. Last week, I was headed for a personal afternoon out of town via Union Station. On such occasions for security I often carry only two or three cards and a packet of bills in my pants pocket, leaving my wallet at home. Well, this time the (three figures worth of) bills (unknowingly)left my pocket, someplace between Farragut North and a ways out of town. All I could do was finish the day with self-flagellation and help from an ATM with small, improbable plans for getting the cash back. I planned to start at FN and cover another place or two the next morning when the same people would be on duty. It sounded so silly: "Did anyone turn in a bundle of bills yesterday." Huzzah! The answer next day at FN was "Yes, a lady found it and was here again 15 minutes ago wanting to know if it had been claimed." I was incredulous. They didn't have it there, but told me the process to track it to Metro L&F. Sure enough, after a mandated 48 hours, I picked it up in Silver Spring (also getting the finder's phone number to whom I've sent a reward). While not exactly certain of the initial amount, I'm pretty sure it all was returned, and of course I've appropriately disciplined myself (never enough). Sooo, faith in fellow man/policeman/Metropeople has been refreshed. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > My gas isn't even that expensive, butterfingers Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 7 20:36:40 2006 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:36:26 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] OT: Shamless Spam :-) Honda Accord for sale 2001 Honda Accord EX-V6 Sedan This car has had only one owner - ME! It has 152,000 easy miles Smoke Free! A/C Climate Control 6-Disc CD Changer Power Everything! All Leather Spoiler, wheel well trim, door edge guards Trunk Liner Half Bra 4 Wheel ABS All new Rotors (This week!) New Battery Tires have 20k on them, Michelin MX4's (not cheap) All maintenance performed, Full Synthetic oil since 15k Engine clean enough to eat off of! Next major service is 220k No accident history, I commute with it, so it's easy miles I can still squeeze close to 30 Mpg out of it. Why selling? Son graduates college. Promised him a new car, so selling for Down Payment. More images at: http://gwfweb.com/honda/4sale You won't be disappointed with this car. I am going to miss it! Email me at gforeman@XXXXXX if interested. Gary Foreman Suzuki GSX-R1000 Honda Shadow Sabre 1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 14:51:57 2006 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:51:43 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... FYI - I understand he's been released from the hospital with a broken collarbone. More when I hear... LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA, AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Subject: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... Leon has had an altercation with a deer near Grand Marais, MN. Possible broken collarbone; no word on the condition of the forest rat (or motorcycle). He does have nearby assistance from a couple of guys he was riding up to meet for a dual-sport ride through central Canada. Updates as they become available. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 14:56:28 2006 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:56:17 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "LindaT." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... Cc: Dc-Cycles 'Twas a broken collarbone and I believe that he's out of the hospital as I type. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 15:08:48 2006 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... To: Dc-Cycles Thanks for the heads up. Those damn critters always trying to help you get new bike parts, but always at the wrong time and place. --- "LindaT." wrote: > FYI - I understand he's been released from the > hospital with a broken > collarbone. More when I hear... > > LindaT. > www.CustomTankBags.com > West Park, FL > IBA, AMA > '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy > '95 F3 Purple Haze > '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > Subject: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... > > > Leon has had an altercation with a deer near Grand > Marais, MN. Possible > broken collarbone; no word on the condition of the > forest rat (or > motorcycle). > > He does have nearby assistance from a couple of guys > he was riding up to > meet for a dual-sport ride through central Canada. > > Updates as they become available. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 15:11:17 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:10:59 -0400 Wow! It just goes to show how it can happen to anybody... I'm just glad to hear that it is no worse than broken collarbone. Best wishes Leon! Perry >From: "Michael Jordan" >To: "LindaT." >CC: Dc-Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:56:17 -0400 > >'Twas a broken collarbone and I believe that he's out of the hospital as I >type. > >-- >Michael J. >'86 SRX-6 >'93 GSX1100G >'03 DL1000 >AMA >IBA #3901 >USAF (Ret) >NRA >etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 15:11:36 2006 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:11:29 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... > Thanks for the heads up. Those damn critters always > trying to help you get new bike parts, but always at > the wrong time and place. Don't know why he had to travel so far. It's not like we don't have enough of the damn things here in Virginia. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 17:27:12 2006 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:26:53 -0400 Damn, I had two friends last year tangle with bambi. Be careful out there! Gary -----Original Message----- From: LindaT. [mailto:Linda@XXXXXX] To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... FYI - I understand he's been released from the hospital with a broken collarbone. More when I hear... LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA, AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Subject: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... Leon has had an altercation with a deer near Grand Marais, MN. Possible broken collarbone; no word on the condition of the forest rat (or motorcycle). He does have nearby assistance from a couple of guys he was riding up to meet for a dual-sport ride through central Canada. Updates as they become available. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 21:43:22 2006 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:43:11 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Test ride a Buell, get a bag http://www.buell.com/en_us/promos/slingbag/index.asp Decent looking bag just for throwing a leg over a Buell. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 22:44:19 2006 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:44:11 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... I swear this was a bad luck weekend. which bike was it? Hope you have a speedy recovery leon! - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 8 22:45:33 2006 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:45:24 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] they attempted to bike jack me.. and got my helmet http://dcsportbikes.com/forums/1/595256/ShowPost.aspx#595256 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 08:15:07 2006 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:13:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] hate to read these things another attempted jacking short story: my boy (Mann) and I are parked at the pump NY ave exxon (checkers side) last night round 9 p.m waiting out some rain. 3 black males pull up in a silver dodge pickup with carolina tags, get out with shirt over his head and what looked like a large calibre silver revolver saying you know what time it is. ( Yea we knew what time it was when they were 20 feet away.. that's why we took the keys out the bikes, and prepared.) So we dip, my boy runs around to the mcdonalds. I go to run in the exxon... but I stop and turn around and tell them they're not getting the bikes cuz there no keys in them. At which time they're looking over the bike for they keys and pick up my helmet.. then it clicks *** they're at least getting my helmet and they might throw the bike in the back of the pickup. At which time I carried out certain actions and scared them off, they hopped into the pickup falling all over themselves, but they still got my helmet fuckers. If anyone sees this helmet, hit me up or dc I got a $100 reward if anyone can show me someone with it.. It has a number 13 on the front of the helmet too. Oh and then the dumb asses went up bladensburg road, hit michigan avenue and robbed or bike jacked someone there. They also hit PG county a few times.. all that same night. So be on the look out for them rolling up in dodge/jeep products and trying to jack you. Someone was actually bike jacked on NY ave sunoco a day or two ago too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 08:17:11 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hate to read these things another attempted jacking Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:16:59 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Clarification - this is not my post Something pulled from another board short story: my boy (Mann) and I are parked at the pump NY ave exxon (checkers side) last night round 9 p.m waiting out some rain. 3 black males pull up in a silver dodge pickup with carolina tags, get out with shirt over his head and what looked like a large calibre silver revolver saying you know what time it is. ( Yea we knew what time it was when they were 20 feet away.. that's why we took the keys out the bikes, and prepared.) So we dip, my boy runs around to the mcdonalds. I go to run in the exxon... but I stop and turn around and tell them they're not getting the bikes cuz there no keys in them. At which time they're looking over the bike for they keys and pick up my helmet.. then it clicks *** they're at least getting my helmet and they might throw the bike in the back of the pickup. At which time I carried out certain actions and scared them off, they hopped into the pickup falling all over themselves, but they still got my helmet fuckers. If anyone sees this helmet, hit me up or dc I got a $100 reward if anyone can show me someone with it.. It has a number 13 on the front of the helmet too. Oh and then the dumb asses went up bladensburg road, hit michigan avenue and robbed or bike jacked someone there. They also hit PG county a few times.. all that same night. So be on the look out for them rolling up in dodge/jeep products and trying to jack you. Someone was actually bike jacked on NY ave sunoco a day or two ago too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 08:46:33 2006 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:46:26 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... That deer was such a prick. On 5/8/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I swear this was a bad luck weekend. which bike was it? > Hope you have a speedy recovery leon! > - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 09:01:35 2006 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:01:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Thomas Jordan >Date: Tue May 09 07:46:26 CDT 2006 >To: Dc-Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... >That deer was such a prick. > ALL deer are pricks. Sometimes they jump in front of cars and some times they don't. At least be consistent. You never see them jumping in front of EACH OTHER. NOoooOOOOooo...because they're a brotherhood and would never do the same thing to each other. It's pretty obvious that deer are deer only because they have a Napolean complex and couldn't be a REAL animal like the rest of the forest critters. And if you even *accidently* hit one of them, the rest of them will hunt you down and gore you to death. Pricks. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 09:03:56 2006 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:03:44 -0500 (CDT) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Can I post a bike for sale? Don't want to spam the list. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 09:10:31 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:10:25 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... >That deer was such a prick. > ALL deer are pricks. [Dave] Am I the only one that thinks that remark is r... :-P Never mind... Sometimes they jump in front of cars and some times they don't. At least be consistent. You never see them jumping in front of EACH OTHER. NOoooOOOOooo...because they're a brotherhood and would never do the same thing to each other. It's pretty obvious that deer are deer only because they have a Napolean complex and couldn't be a REAL animal like the rest of the forest critters. And if you even *accidently* hit one of them, the rest of them will hunt you down and gore you to death. [Dave] There are so many deer alive because it is ILLEGAL TO KILL THEM IN SO MANY PLACES! I just read in the paper that Virginia has a coyote bounty - we need a deer bounty And yeah... Deer are pricks! ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 09:51:25 2006 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 06:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX seems the deer have organized under Boss Stag to retaliate against all those blinding incidents that LDRiders have subjected them to with their strap-on Halogen's. A few weeks ago it was Grodsky, now Leon. I think it's time to fight back against Organized Deer. Strap a shotgun to your forks at a 20 deg angle and blast these criminals to nothingness. no joking aside, it's good Leon is relatively unhurt. and yes we need to hunt these pests down to proper ecological levels. fscking NIMBYs will be the death of us all. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 09:56:34 2006 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 06:56:22 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] hate to read these things another attempted jacking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX but I thought the Mayor of All Goodness declared that by making firearm posession illegal that nobody would have a gun to use in the commission of a crime! And as a result wouldn't crime go down too in an unarmed populace? Where did I go wrong? I feel so betrayed by our massa's...They LIED to us! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 10:16:35 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:16:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hate to read these things another attempted jacking but I thought the Mayor of All Goodness declared that by making firearm posession illegal that nobody would have a gun to use in the commission of a crime! And as a result wouldn't crime go down too in an unarmed populace? Where did I go wrong? I feel so betrayed by our massa's...They LIED to us! [Dave] DUDE that is so wrong. They forgot to ban pickup trucks. Let's do it now. For the children. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 10:24:05 2006 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:23:51 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hate to read these things another attempted jacking You guys are all missing the real issue here.. It isn't the guns or the pickups... We need to ban black males. On 5/9/06, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] DUDE that is so wrong. They forgot to ban pickup trucks. Let's do it now. For the children. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 10:25:15 2006 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:25:08 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hate to read these things another attempted jacking Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 5/9/06, Dave Yates wrote: > > but I thought the Mayor of All Goodness ... > > > [Dave] DUDE that is so wrong. They forgot to ban pickup trucks. Let's do it now. For the children. .... Nah, let's just ban motorcycles under the heading of attractive nuisance. No motorcycles: no motorcycle jacking. Simple. Just like muggings. If people only had the good sense to stay inside 24/7, this plague could be eliminated. :-\ Now, if they'd only ban low-flying, drunken (?), Ambien-addled congresscritters my neighborhood would be a lot safer. How 'bout it Chief Ramsey? -Paul From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 10:36:47 2006 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:36:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] hate to read these things another attempted jacking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Thomas Jordan >Date: Tue May 09 09:23:51 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] hate to read these things another attempted jacking >You guys are all missing the real issue here.. It isn't the guns or >the pickups... We need to ban black males. > > > There's nothing wrong with black mail. I just can't find good, white markers to write addresses on them. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 12:06:50 2006 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:06:36 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Danny Motorcycle" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FW: [LDRider] Leon vs. deer... Cc: Dc-Cycles > which bike was it? VStrom -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 9 14:41:52 2006 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:41:35 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Motorcycling in the Turks\Caicos and tonight's event Spent a week in the Caribbean forgetting all about the stresses of my daily existence here. Saw some mopeds but no bikes except for a single older Kwak. Grand Turk is 37 square miles and mostly flat. Saw nowhere to rent bikes but I do know Vespas are available. I did in a most traitorous fashion fall in love with another sport...SCUBA! Anyone have an opinion on best place to live if you are in love with motorcycling and diving? Sorry to hear about the accidents and attempted crimes here. Hope everyone on the list is good. For those interested: a lot of bikers are making their way to Rockville Hooters for the annual bikini contest tonight. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 10 10:26:21 2006 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:26:07 -0400 From: "\"Steven Di Pietro" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Police: Teen sets illegal speed record BISMARCK, N.D., May 9 (UPI) -- A 19-year-old motorcyclist allegedly set a record of sorts for the North Dakota Highway Patrol when he was clocked at 176 mph on an interstate. Now Vitaliy Poberezchnik must pay at least $505 in fines and could face additional penalties if he is convicted of reckless driving, the Bismarck Tribune reports. Poberezchnik was out on I-94 10 miles east of Bismarck when he allegedly decided to open up his 2006 Suzuki and let it rip. When he turned back towards Bismarck a trooper was waiting for him, ticket book in hand. "That's probably the highest we've ever had," said Capt. Mark Bethke, a spokesman for the Highway Patrol. Copyright Political Gateway 2006(c) Copyright United Press International 2006 34 -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL "Bug Slayer" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 10 10:47:37 2006 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:47:24 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Police: Teen sets illegal speed record To: DC-Cycles oh great..now every pimply faced squid will want to whip *his* out and get it measured. -aki At 10:26 AM 5/10/2006, \"Steven Di Pietro wrote: >BISMARCK, N.D., May 9 (UPI) -- A 19-year-old motorcyclist allegedly >set a record of sorts for the North Dakota Highway Patrol when he was >clocked at 176 mph on an interstate. > >Now Vitaliy Poberezchnik must pay at least $505 in fines and could >face additional penalties if he is convicted of reckless driving, the >Bismarck Tribune reports. > >Poberezchnik was out on I-94 10 miles east of Bismarck when he >allegedly decided to open up his 2006 Suzuki and let it rip. When he >turned back towards Bismarck a trooper was waiting for him, ticket >book in hand. > >"That's probably the highest we've ever had," said Capt. Mark Bethke, >a spokesman for the Highway Patrol. > > >Copyright Political Gateway 2006(c) >Copyright United Press International 2006 >34 >-- > >Steven C. Di Pietro >A Private Process Server >covering Anne Arundel County, Md. > >................................. > >AMA >ABATE >Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 >1983 Suzuki GS650GL "Bug Slayer" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 10 12:00:37 2006 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:00:26 -0400 From: Aki Damme To: dc-cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Cycle C Reflective Jacket - Review in MCN For those of you that subscribe to MCN, they did a writeup/eval on the Cycle C reflective jacket. They gave it high marks both in quality and it's ability to reflect light. The retail price is $450 but the Cycle C website is selling off their remaining stock because they're coming out with a new model that has pockets in the back and the elbows for removable padding. The clearance price is *$130* for the old style jackets. I just ordered one. Hell, for that price, I couldn't pass it up. Limited quantities etc etc. Just thought I'd pass it on. cheers, -aki http://www.cyclec.cc/ PS. If anyone would like a copy of the article, ping me off list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 10 15:32:49 2006 From: "Stephen" To: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:30:51 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] M/C stopped on 210 NB at about 11:35 Did a lister get nabbed? Two cruisers behind the red and black Honda with lights on. A little further south at close to midday on 210 Northbound, a late model yellow sport bike (GSX-R?) was heading Northbound at close to 100mph. I guess it's a nice day to blow the cobwebs out ... Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 11 09:54:57 2006 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 06:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Leon vs. deer... To: Dc-Cycles Thanks for all of the kind words and prayers. As accidents go, this one turned out quite well. It was about 5 AM Monday morning. I was riding the V-Strom. I had only seen two deer in the entire trip up Hwy 61 from Duluth. About 25 miles south of the Canadian Border, I remember seeing a deer in the road, braking hard, hitting it and sliding face down for a very long time. I was either going too fast (the electronic speedometer cable was disconnected when the fairing got torn off; the needle indicated 52 mph, I assume that's the speed at impact,) or I wasn't paying attention and didn't see the deer until too late, or maybe the deer was moving. I just don't remember. Afterward, I was on the pavement about 10 feet beyond the bike. I got up and turned off the ignition, I started to pick the bike up when I heard and felt a 'crunching' noise in my clavicle. At that time, I still had enough adrenaline in my system that there was no pain. Knowing that, I checked to make sure the road was clear, attempted to use my cell phone (no signal) and walked over to make sure the deer was dead. It was. Then I walked down the driveway and knocked on the door to ask for use of a phone. The guy that lived there was Jesse, he was a "first responder" he had the radio that is used to send people out to accident scenes like mine. He helped me out of my riding gear and got me to lie down when I started showing signs of shock. Jesse was also kind enough to pull my bike off the road and park it in front of his garage. I've got a broken collarbone and a pea sized scratch on the knuckle of the index finger of my left hand. I am also stiff and sore in a few other places. The headlights are pointed in the wrong direction, but still work. The instrument cluster has been reconnected, it's broken loose from it's mounts, but still works. The windshield was broken off, and will need to be replaced. Much of the plastic for the front fairing and associated small pieces are broken. The left crash bar is scratched, the left saddlebag is badly beat up. The bike started and idled just fine. The new fuel tank isn't even scratched. Things that went amazingly well. 1) A broken collarbone limits what you can do, but isn't very painful and the cure is to let it heal itself - a great cure for cheap folks like me. 2) While I was nearly 1500 miles from home, Chris Norloff, a longtime friend is up here to ride with me on this trip, he trailered his KLR650 up and has room for another bike on his trailer on the way home. 3) Ron has a 4WD tracker that will allow me to explore at least some of the roads we planned on seeing anyway. 4) My wife is a nurse and agrees that if I take it easy, there isn't any reason to come home early. 5) There is one less deer in the world for the rest of you to worry about. 6) The bike is probably rideable now, and certainly repairable. On the ride Tuesday (Chris, Steve and Ron) they saw 49 deer in a single 27km stretch of road. Steve hit one, but didn't go down and it didn't cause any damage to his bike. The deer ran off, but lost considerable skin and hair. We're having a great time, more updates to follow. . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 11 10:56:22 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Leon vs. deer... Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:56:08 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Dc-Cycles" Heal up quickly Leon and glad to hear you are in good spirits. Circles '06 once you are healed? Julian -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] To: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Leon vs. deer... Thanks for all of the kind words and prayers. As accidents go, this one turned out quite well. It was about 5 AM Monday morning. I was riding the V-Strom. I had only seen two deer in the entire trip up Hwy 61 from Duluth. About 25 miles south of the Canadian Border, I remember seeing a deer in the road, braking hard, hitting it and sliding face down for a very long time. I was either going too fast (the electronic speedometer cable was disconnected when the fairing got torn off; the needle indicated 52 mph, I assume that's the speed at impact,) or I wasn't paying attention and didn't see the deer until too late, or maybe the deer was moving. I just don't remember. Afterward, I was on the pavement about 10 feet beyond the bike. I got up and turned off the ignition, I started to pick the bike up when I heard and felt a 'crunching' noise in my clavicle. At that time, I still had enough adrenaline in my system that there was no pain. Knowing that, I checked to make sure the road was clear, attempted to use my cell phone (no signal) and walked over to make sure the deer was dead. It was. Then I walked down the driveway and knocked on the door to ask for use of a phone. The guy that lived there was Jesse, he was a "first responder" he had the radio that is used to send people out to accident scenes like mine. He helped me out of my riding gear and got me to lie down when I started showing signs of shock. Jesse was also kind enough to pull my bike off the road and park it in front of his garage. I've got a broken collarbone and a pea sized scratch on the knuckle of the index finger of my left hand. I am also stiff and sore in a few other places. The headlights are pointed in the wrong direction, but still work. The instrument cluster has been reconnected, it's broken loose from it's mounts, but still works. The windshield was broken off, and will need to be replaced. Much of the plastic for the front fairing and associated small pieces are broken. The left crash bar is scratched, the left saddlebag is badly beat up. The bike started and idled just fine. The new fuel tank isn't even scratched. Things that went amazingly well. 1) A broken collarbone limits what you can do, but isn't very painful and the cure is to let it heal itself - a great cure for cheap folks like me. 2) While I was nearly 1500 miles from home, Chris Norloff, a longtime friend is up here to ride with me on this trip, he trailered his KLR650 up and has room for another bike on his trailer on the way home. 3) Ron has a 4WD tracker that will allow me to explore at least some of the roads we planned on seeing anyway. 4) My wife is a nurse and agrees that if I take it easy, there isn't any reason to come home early. 5) There is one less deer in the world for the rest of you to worry about. 6) The bike is probably rideable now, and certainly repairable. On the ride Tuesday (Chris, Steve and Ron) they saw 49 deer in a single 27km stretch of road. Steve hit one, but didn't go down and it didn't cause any damage to his bike. The deer ran off, but lost considerable skin and hair. We're having a great time, more updates to follow. . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 11 11:10:07 2006 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Leon vs. deer... Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:10:21 -0400 To: Dc-Cycles Glad you're doing relatively well. Unfortunately, I don't think your method is the best for thinning what I consider to be an out-of-control deer population in North America. I'm all for loosening the laws on "harvesting" the giant rats. Something like: if you happen to see one and have a rifle in your truck, go shoot the thing. State Park? Shoot the thing. Nature preserve? Shoot the thing. Suburbs? Shoot the thing, twice. They are such a nuisance, and not just for unlucky motorcyclists and other motorists. Enough already. I'd much prefer the problem of not enough deer, whatever that means. - Steve On May 11, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Leon Begeman wrote: > Thanks for all of the kind words and prayers. > > As accidents go, this one turned out quite well. > > It was about 5 AM Monday morning. I was riding the > V-Strom. I had only seen two deer in the entire trip > up Hwy 61 from Duluth. About 25 miles south of the > Canadian Border, I remember seeing a deer in the road, > braking hard, hitting it and sliding face down for a > very long time. > > I was either going too fast (the electronic > speedometer cable was disconnected when the fairing > got torn off; the needle indicated 52 mph, I assume > that's the speed at impact,) or I wasn't paying > attention and didn't see the deer until too late, or > maybe the deer was moving. I just don't remember. > > Afterward, I was on the pavement about 10 feet beyond > the bike. I got up and turned off the ignition, I > started to pick the bike up when I heard and felt a > 'crunching' noise in my clavicle. At that time, I > still had enough adrenaline in my system that there > was no pain. Knowing that, I checked to make sure the > road was clear, attempted to use my cell phone (no > signal) and walked over to make sure the deer was > dead. It was. > > Then I walked down the driveway and knocked on the > door to ask for use of a phone. The guy that lived > there was Jesse, he was a "first responder" he had the > radio that is used to send people out to accident > scenes like mine. He helped me out of my riding gear > and got me to lie down when I started showing signs of > shock. Jesse was also kind enough to pull my bike off > the road and park it in front of his garage. > > I've got a broken collarbone and a pea sized scratch > on the knuckle of the index finger of my left hand. I > am also stiff and sore in a few other places. > > The headlights are pointed in the wrong direction, but > still work. The instrument cluster has been > reconnected, it's broken loose from it's mounts, but > still works. The windshield was broken off, and will > need to be replaced. Much of the plastic for the front > fairing and associated small pieces are broken. The > left crash bar is scratched, the left saddlebag is > badly beat up. The bike started and idled just fine. > The new fuel tank isn't even scratched. > > Things that went amazingly well. > 1) A broken collarbone limits what you can do, but > isn't very painful and the cure is to let it heal > itself - a great cure for cheap folks like me. > 2) While I was nearly 1500 miles from home, Chris > Norloff, a longtime friend is up here to ride with me > on this trip, he trailered his KLR650 up and has room > for another bike on his trailer on the way home. > 3) Ron has a 4WD tracker that will allow me to explore > at least some of the roads we planned on seeing > anyway. > 4) My wife is a nurse and agrees that if I take it > easy, there isn't any reason to come home early. > 5) There is one less deer in the world for the rest of > you to worry about. > 6) The bike is probably rideable now, and certainly > repairable. > > On the ride Tuesday (Chris, Steve and Ron) they saw 49 > deer in a single 27km stretch of road. Steve hit one, > but didn't go down and it didn't cause any damage to > his bike. The deer ran off, but lost considerable skin > and hair. > > We're having a great time, more updates to follow. . . > > Stephen C. Miller www.stevecmiller.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 11 15:30:34 2006 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:30:16 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Great issue of Bike Magazine May 2006 skill honing I am reading the article on braking: "At anything faster than you can run you should be using both brakes; front followed by the rear. Use the rear brake as a braking force initially, ease it off as the weight pitches forward but don't come off the rear brake altogether - you can then feel what the rear end is doing. If you have the grip at the back a bit of back brake will restrain the bike from the rear so there's less likelihood of the back overtaking the front. Neil Hodgson: " I didn't use my rear brake until 1999 - I did nine seasons without it and then I decided I needed to start using it. I use it braking into corners. Early on engine braking is enough but I increase the pressure as I am entering the corner. It allows me to brake harder while cranked over." I am amazed at the trail braking, leaned over I have seen in this year's Moto GP - my own observation...Some riders are on the brakes and leaned over right into the apex. See stoner in gp # 2 around lap 6 as an example. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 11 17:46:16 2006 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:47:19 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "Dc-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great issue of Bike Magazine May 2006 skill honing At 5/11/2006 03:30 PM, Julian Halton wrote: >If you have the grip at the back a bit of back brake will restrain the >bike from the rear so there's less likelihood of the back overtaking the >front. Don't know how different it is on a track, but for street riding I always use front and back together when I need to stop from speed or in a "panic stop", but just the rear when moving around at low speed as in a parking lot. I may use the front at low speed, but only if the wheel is pretty much dead straight. Front brake use with the wheel cocked to one side is a really fast way to end up on the ground (think about why they don't put brakes on unicycles...and how much your front end looks like a unicycle). One issue to keep in mind, particularly in a "panic stop" situation, is that your foot has less fine motor control than your hand, and is a lot stronger...so there's a tendency to lock up the rear wheel in a max braking situation (BTDT). A sliding tire has less traction than a rolling one, and no real directional preference, so it not only decreases its help in slowing you down when it does that, it is also happy to move sideways and try to pass you. If you haven't locked the front up too, you can adjust steering/weight slightly to control this...dirt bikers do it all the time, and when I was a kid we'd try to make j-shaped skid marks by controlling the slide on our pedal bikes so the theory works...though how easy it is to do probably varies with bike design and rider characteristics. If you lock the rear and it isn't pretty close to dead straight behind you, just let it slide and do the best you can....letting off the brake while it is cocked to one side, as to "pump" it say, may well launch you as the rear suddenly realizes it's going the wrong way when it starts rolling again...the reason you "turn into the spin" in a car that's sliding...so the wheels are pointed the right way when you get a little traction again...cars can "high side" too...and it's just as ugly). Not claiming to be an expert, especially at track riding (which I've never done), but that's my current understanding based both on locking up rear wheels on several bikes for fun or otherwise and my ancient physics classes. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 12 12:23:06 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Can I post a bike for sale? Content-ID: <10594.1147450972.1@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:22:52 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >Don't want to spam the list. The prevailing practice for the list has long been that "for sale" postings are perfectly acceptable as long as: 1) the item is the personal property of a list member and not part of an ongoing business AND 2) the item is motorcycling-related In particular, this isn't the place to sell your car/truck/house, to advertise your business (moto-related or not), or to seek a job or employees. But selling (or seeking) your own bike or related gear is no problem. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 12 12:58:35 2006 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:58:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Can I post a bike for sale? To: harry@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: harry@XXXXXX >Date: Fri May 12 11:22:52 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Can I post a bike for sale? >>Don't want to spam the list. > >The prevailing practice for the list has long been that "for sale" >postings are perfectly acceptable as long as: > 1) the item is the personal property of a list member and not > part of an ongoing business >AND > 2) the item is motorcycling-related > >In particular, this isn't the place to sell your car/truck/house, >to advertise your business (moto-related or not), or to seek a job >or employees. But selling (or seeking) your own bike or related gear >is no problem. >-harry Thanks Harry, I asked the question because I was thinking of selling my 01 FXDWG for an 03 SERK, but decided with our daughter starting college in the fall and major $$ for (or never ending) kitchen remodeling, this isn't the wisest time to take on another payment. Soo...long story short. never mind. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 12 15:39:11 2006 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:39:00 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: kbecker@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Leon Contacts Anyone have a phone number for Leon? A Maggont in Ypslanti Michigan (Near Ann Arbor) has VStrom parts he can have. Either hit "reply to all" (I'm on digest and the donor isn't on DCCycles) or phone me (301) 801-9724 Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 13 19:29:09 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 23:28:46 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: [dc-cycles] test (sorry) I do not seem to be getting my DC cycles posts. -- John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 13 22:42:38 2006 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 19:42:23 -0700 (PDT) From: ArmadilloFZ1 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] test (sorry) To: B-DC cycles ping --- penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > I do not seem to be getting my DC cycles posts. > -- > John W. > > -= Hannibal Ad Portus=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 13 22:48:37 2006 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:48:25 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] test (sorry) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ping pong At 10:42 PM 5/13/2006, ArmadilloFZ1 wrote: >ping > >--- penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I do not seem to be getting my DC cycles posts. > > -- > > John W. > > > > > > >-= Hannibal Ad Portus=- > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 14 00:28:58 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] test (sorry) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 04:28:44 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: ArmadilloFZ1 > ping > > --- penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I do not seem to be getting my DC cycles posts. I guess (hope) everyone is out riding. -- Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However it does require a substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 14 12:02:30 2006 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 12:02:13 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Matthew Harrell X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) X-Primary-Address: mharrell@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Yamaha mechanic recommendation in NoVa? Is there a good place that deals with Yamahas? I can think of places for Kawasaki, Honda, and Suzuki. I have an 82 Virago I've been rebuilding and I've got it so it's running fine but I would like to get someone who's familiar with them to do a carb sync and a general inspection of the carb and other parts that I've worked on to make sure I haven't done something really wrong before I give it to my wife. I was going to check with Herndon Cycle Sport tomorrow if they're still around Thanks -- Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 14 13:47:12 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:46:27 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha mechanic recommendation in NoVa? To: mharrell-dated-1148054533.97b240@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Cycle Sport in Alexandria off of Richmond Highway. Been dealing with them for years and highly recommend them. Scooter In a message dated 5/14/2006 12:02:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lists-sender-4e80d3@XXXXXX writes: Is there a good place that deals with Yamahas? I can think of places for Kawasaki, Honda, and Suzuki. I have an 82 Virago I've been rebuilding and I've got it so it's running fine but I would like to get someone who's familiar with them to do a carb sync and a general inspection of the carb and other parts that I've worked on to make sure I haven't done something really wrong before I give it to my wife. I was going to check with Herndon Cycle Sport tomorrow if they're still around Thanks -- Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 14 14:48:14 2006 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:43:22 -0400 To: Matthew Harrell , DC Cycles List From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha mechanic recommendation in NoVa? At 5/14/2006 12:02 PM, Matthew Harrell wrote: >Is there a good place that deals with Yamahas? Battley Cycles, in Gaithersburg, is a Yamaha dealer (BMW and Harley too). I haven't heard anything about work quality on Yamahas though. I have heard some complaints about work on Harleys...mostly in the areas of scratches and not torquing things to spec (i.e. sloppiness). -- Mike B. -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 14 15:11:18 2006 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:11:05 -0400 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha mechanic recommendation in NoVa? From: Matthew Harrell X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) X-Primary-Address: mharrell@XXXXXX > Cycle Sport in Alexandria off of Richmond Highway. Been dealing with them > for years and highly recommend them. Thanks for the recommendations. I'll probably get it inspected and then drive it around for a while to see how it does. -- Matthew Harrell '82 Yamaha Virago (XV750) Bit Twiddlers, Inc. '98 Honda Interceptor (VFR800) mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 14 23:04:02 2006 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] $20 OBO rear stand if anybody wants a cheap rear stand for their bike, you can have mine. It uses adjustable pads (not spools). first come, first served. it's at 395 and Edsal (just north of the mixing bowl) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 15 11:47:17 2006 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:46:34 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: sabmag@XXXXXX CC: B-DC cycles X-Spam-Level: ** X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1463/Mon May 15 06:55:22 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: weekend ride Well, I got in a good ride this weekend. I took 50 out to Winchester on Friday, hoping to see some old friends. They weren't home. I suppose that if I was -really- trying to meet up with them, I'd've called first, but really, they were just an excuse to go west. While debating my options in their driveway, I got a call from a friend in Warrenton. It was getting dark, I was under dressed, and I was looking forward to seeing this friend, so I took 66 to 17 into Warrenton. We hung out and had a great time. I got up in the morning, and rode out 211. Went over the mountain. Had so much fun (and there weren't any cops) so I did it again, back to the east side. Enjoyed it a lot, so I rode to the top and back down again. Let me say that this was my first time getting in some big lean on my new-to-me ZRX. Wow. The bike felt very stable in the turns, it was very, very light (as compared to my v65 sabre) and good god, was it fun. I started back on 211, and thought to myself, "You know what? This road is hella boring!" I noticed a road on the left. "I wonder where that goes? It looks like it's going in my general direction." I took it. It went from 2 lane divided, to 2 lane lined, to two lane unlined, to 1.5 lanes, to gravel. But it kept going, so I did too. Had a minor pucker moment when a pit bull came tearing out at me and I was in too high of a gear, but a snick and a twist put him in my past. After about 20 minutes of gravel, I got back on pavement. Yay! The road turned out to be stellar. Nice swoopy turns, gorgeous scenery. I went through a bunch of no name wide-spot-in-the-road Virginia towns. I ended up in "Hume" and talked to the postmistress. She pointed my in the direction I wanted to go. I almost got on the slab, but decided that I didn't need to hurry. I took 55, and then some other roads. I crossed the same railroad track about 20 times, and saw the same train twice. Both times I parked, got off walked up to the tracks. The second time, the engineer recognized me. He gave me a wave that said to me that if he weren't driving a train, he might be doing the same thing I was. I ended up coming into Gainesville, and saw the train for a third time... time was getting a little thin, so I hopped on 66, and got to see the preparations for the funeral procession of that cop that got shot. There were cops at every intersection, and about every 1/2 mile. Fortunately, they were on the other side of the road, so I got to run the new lady up to the ton+. She is really, really stable. All in all, about 250-300 miles passed under me, not a single mile of which would I change. penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> --- penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: >> >>> I do not seem to be getting my DC cycles posts. > > I guess (hope) everyone is out riding. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 16 12:55:54 2006 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:55:47 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Public Relations job opening Looks like a cool job: http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/news/detail.jhtml;jsessionid =AJQZVTX0WOJXCCRNCB2SFFAKFUIHUIV4?newsId=12121 Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 16 13:12:43 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:12:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Public Relations job opening Do they take nominations? I'd like to nominate Gimer. Who better to talk about 'panache'... and PR? Come now... who better than Gimer to relate to the public...??? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Public Relations job opening Looks like a cool job: http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/news/detail.jhtml;jsessionid=AJQZVTX0WOJXCCRNCB2SFFAKFUIHUIV4?newsId=12121 Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 16 16:32:43 2006 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:33:18 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Dc-Cycles" Cc: "Julian Halton" Subject: [dc-cycles] 05 R1 - engine temp question So the weather is cooler and my slowly developing bike sense tells me something is not quite right with my liquid cooled 998cc in-line four - the bike runs about 20 degrees F hotter than normal - the undertail exhaust is warming my butt more than usual - no danger zone readings yet but it does get hot - the bike seems to on start go from Lo to operating temp faster - the bike takes longer to cool down - check the engine oil...a little dark but fine about 1500 mph away from next maintenance - check coolant level fine - dealer eyeballs it runs it until fan kicks in (220) f and says looks good I say the bike "feels" wrong. Anything else I can check Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 16 16:50:49 2006 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 05 R1 - engine temp question To: Julian Halton , Dc-Cycles Cc: Julian Halton Find another 05 R1, with all things equal and letting both cool completely, allow both to idle until fan kicks in. Note differences in how long it takes and perceived temps of engine cases, exhaust etc. Warmer temps just tend to make things seem differently to me anyways. I believe my fan comes on more often in warmer weather vs cooler weather, though I've seen countless online debates about whether motors run at different temps depending on ambient temps. I suspect the warmer weather is also playing tricks on you, considering you've checked everything else out. - Jimmy --- Julian Halton wrote: > > So the weather is cooler and my slowly developing bike sense tells > me > something is not quite right with my liquid cooled 998cc in-line > four > > - the bike runs about 20 degrees F hotter than normal > - the undertail exhaust is warming my butt more than usual > - no danger zone readings yet but it does get hot > - the bike seems to on start go from Lo to operating temp faster > - the bike takes longer to cool down > > - check the engine oil...a little dark but fine about 1500 mph away > from > next maintenance > - check coolant level fine > - dealer eyeballs it runs it until fan kicks in (220) f and says > looks > good > > I say the bike "feels" wrong. Anything else I can check > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 16 17:14:11 2006 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:14:00 -0400 From: "\"Steven Di Pietro" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 05 R1 - engine temp question Cc: Dc-Cycles On 5/16/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > I say the bike "feels" wrong. Anything else I can check Julian, I'm not faniliar with your bike, but have you tried swapping out the thermostsat? -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL "Bug Slayer" 1987 Suzuki Cavalcade LXE From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 16 17:23:17 2006 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:23:09 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 05 R1 - engine temp question Cc: Dc-Cycles On 5/16/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > So the weather is cooler and my slowly developing bike sense tells me > something is not quite right with my liquid cooled 998cc in-line four > > - the bike runs about 20 degrees F hotter than normal > - the undertail exhaust is warming my butt more than usual > - no danger zone readings yet but it does get hot > - the bike seems to on start go from Lo to operating temp faster > - the bike takes longer to cool down > > - check the engine oil...a little dark but fine about 1500 mph away from > next maintenance > - check coolant level fine > - dealer eyeballs it runs it until fan kicks in (220) f and says looks > good > > I say the bike "feels" wrong. Anything else I can check > > Julian Halton Digital temp gauges are perhaps a TMI situation. As long as the temperature levels off once the fan kicks in, don't worry, be happy. One thing to check is that your fan blade(s) turn freely. Sometimes they pick up stones and other road crud. The only time I've had a cooling issue is when the fan switch went bad on the VFR. Easy to replace. Screw the old one out, screw the new one in. Until I could replace it (had a long trip coming up) I rigged up a manual bypass switch. Just flip the switch when I hit traffic. Fan switches come with different ratings. 220F is pretty common. You're still a long way from boiling over at that temp, since the system is contained and under pressure. As long as the pressure-sensitive radiator cap doesn't open and barf coolant into the overflow bottle, all is well. -P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 16 21:33:29 2006 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:33:14 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Sidecar training at NVCC Loudoun The sidecar class is being offered at NVCC Loudoun Campus on July 14-15-16. You get to learn to drive and "fly the chair." Or maybe learn how to avoid the latter. :) Training bikes and sidecars provided. You don't need to bring your own. Some info on sidecar training here-- http://www.mrf.org/pdf/WhitePapers/Volume7-2000/Sidecars2.pdf NB, according to the article, Va. is the only state in the country to offer the novice sidecar training program. More here-- http://www.soundrider.com/archive/safety-skills/sidecar.htm Yours truly is thinking of signing up, just for grins. Not that I'm going to go out and buy a rig any time soon. -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 17 08:28:39 2006 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:28:22 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Julian Halton" Subject: [dc-cycles] 05 R1 - engine temp question Julian Hmmmed: "So the weather is cooler and my slowly developing bike sense tells me something is not quite right with my liquid cooled 998cc in-line four I say the bike "feels" wrong. Anything else I can check" [Carl]: In addition to the other good recommendations, check the radiator fins for winter spooge accumulation. FWIW, Spring time is a good time for we year-around riders to completely clean the nether regions of our bikes for accumulations of winter salt and ikky poo. Not a bad idea to also open up all of the electrical connectors and clean them with your favorite electrical contact cleaner. Better to do some nice-weather maintenance in your driveway than be stuck on the shoulder of some far away road (in pelting rain with wolves howling =8^). Dunno if the switch to summer fuel blend would make the bike run a tad warmer or not. Time to change coolant and add a dab of "water wetter"? Ummm, 05, nah. Carl (Cogitating) in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 17 09:31:21 2006 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Sidecar training at NVCC Loudoun Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:30:54 -0400 I took this class a few years ago and it's a hoot. You spend your time in class, riding, observing or being 'ballast'. Flying the chair is a good thing as long as you're doing it on purpose. Ballast keeps the chair down. It's not like riding a 2 wheeler as you have to steer the sidecar and there's a serious amount of body english that needs to be employed. My certificate of completion shows me flying the chair (just barely). A friend bought a rig after the class and I got to ride it a few times and it was great. I advise anyone who has the time/money to try it. Great fun. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Paul Wilson said: The sidecar class is being offered at NVCC Loudoun Campus on July 14-15-16. You get to learn to drive and "fly the chair." Or maybe learn how to avoid the latter. :) Yours truly is thinking of signing up, just for grins. Not that I'm going to go out and buy a rig any time soon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 17 10:42:26 2006 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:43:00 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] More odd behaviour - my bike and another rider So I took a nice relaxed little jaunt from Ballston to Observatory Circle in NW DC. All Rock Creek...no traffic to speak of except on the turn off to Massachusetts Avenue. Nice ride, smooth.....except I forgot my earplugs and can now hear some rattle sound just as I get on the throttle. The way back was nice until a fellow sportbiker buzzed me at double to triple posted speeds.....came right up beside me....gassed it on 66 and cut across to make the Key Bridge exit.. Thanks buddy. On another note, thanks for all the great advice and I will keep you posted. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 17 20:08:55 2006 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:08:40 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 05 R1 - engine temp question Cc: Dc-Cycles On 5/16/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > So the weather is cooler and my slowly developing bike sense tells me > something is not quite right with my liquid cooled 998cc in-line four > > - the bike runs about 20 degrees F hotter than normal what temp does it operate at? > - the undertail exhaust is warming my butt more than usual is that a thermometer in your pants or are you happy to see someone > - no danger zone readings yet but it does get hot as long as you're not seeing 280 you should be fine > - the bike seems to on start go from Lo to operating temp faster how quickly do you have it timed to? > - the bike takes longer to cool down I think you have a mild case of bikocondria my friend :) happens to all of us.. "hmm what's that ticking noise..uh oh my motor" > - check the engine oil...a little dark but fine about 1500 mph away from > next maintenance could someone be adding something to your oil? > - check coolant level fine you checked under the radiator cap and not the over flow bottle right? > - dealer eyeballs it runs it until fan kicks in (220) f and says looks > good yep. if that happens and your coolant level is topped off.. you're good to go. Did you add any "anti-freeze" to it lately? you do have a minimum of 50% water in there right? > I say the bike "feels" wrong. Anything else I can check The loose nut in the mirror lol. Is your chain lubed? > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 17 20:09:31 2006 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:09:24 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 05 R1 - engine temp question Cc: Dc-Cycles oh and you can check for an extended warranty :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 17 21:34:53 2006 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Area Cycle Salvage I did some looking around on the net and can't find any local motorcycle salvage shops. I called Baltimore Cycle Salvage and their phone is out of service. Are there no shops in the area? I'm in need of a part that I'd like to inspect before buying, athough if I have to I'll order it. Thanks Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 18 19:28:53 2006 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] going to VIR 5/28(9), need a truck anyone else going? can I rent a pickup truck from a lister? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 18 22:25:26 2006 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] going to VIR 5/28(9), need a truck To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX have you checked on the local boards like DCsportbikes.com. I'll be down there with a lot of the r6messagenet.com folks and I'm getting a ride down with a buddy. I can check to see if there is room in the trailer/truck for you. but definitely check the boards. Even if there is no room you ought come pit near us down there. Ian --- matthew patton wrote: > anyone else going? can I rent a pickup truck from a > lister? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 19 07:44:54 2006 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:44:42 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Adam Reinhardt" Subject: [dc-cycles] Area Cycle Salvage Reinhart Asked: "I did some looking around on the net and can't find any local motorcycle salvage shops. I called Baltimore Cycle Salvage and their phone is out of service. Are there no shops in the area? I'm in need of a part that I'd like to inspect before buying, athough if I have to I'll order it." [Carl]: IIRC, there was one down in the Woodbridge area but I've not visited it. I did take a trip to the one in Cumberland, MD to pick up a part. Nice ride. You could describe what you're looking for. Some listers have amazing stuff they/we need to shed. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 19 09:41:13 2006 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:40:56 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: [dc-cycles] MMMMmmmm.... donuts..... For a little more than a year, just about every morning when I cross over the Occoquan river I get to smell fresh baked donuts from a newly ( 1 1/2 years ) established bakery... MMMMmmmmm........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 19 10:04:17 2006 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:02:13 -0400 From: skip To: "De Boeser, Tom" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MMMMmmmm.... donuts..... I read a paraphrasing of an article where a woman talked about riding, and getting to smell all the things going on around you. she mentioned another driver's cigarette, and exhaust. personally, I like honeysuckle and bbq grills. :~) "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > > For a little more than a year, just about every morning when I cross > over the Occoquan river I get to smell fresh baked donuts from a newly ( > 1 1/2 years ) established bakery... > > MMMMmmmmm........ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 19 10:12:24 2006 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MMMMmmmm.... donuts..... To: skip , "De Boeser, Tom" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" My favorites during a ride - freshly cut grass and wet soil after a soaking rain Jimmy --- skip wrote: > I read a paraphrasing of an article where a woman talked about > riding, > and getting to smell all the things going on around you. she > mentioned > another driver's cigarette, and exhaust. > > personally, I like honeysuckle and bbq grills. :~) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 19 10:50:17 2006 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:49:44 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MMMMmmmm.... donuts..... To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO I am Homer of Borg, your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Prepare to be.....mmmmmmmmmmmm......dooooonuts. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: De Boeser, Tom To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: [dc-cycles] MMMMmmmm.... donuts..... For a little more than a year, just about every morning when I cross over the Occoquan river I get to smell fresh baked donuts from a newly ( 1 1/2 years ) established bakery...    MMMMmmmmm........    From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 19 23:12:27 2006 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 23:12:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Carl Custer CC: DC Cycles , Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Area Cycle Salvage Carl Custer wrote: > [Carl]: IIRC, there was one down in the Woodbridge area but I've not > visited it. The one down in Woodbridge (H&H Cycles, near the NOVA campus) is gone. Not sure when it happened, or where all the stuff went. Hork -- Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth Mason Dixon 20-20 Rally, featuring: Questionable Interpretations http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 20 17:08:59 2006 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Area Cycle Salvage To: Dale Horstman , Carl Custer Cc: DC Cycles , Adam Reinhardt It happened more than two years ago, some of the stuff went to West Virginia where the same people operated another salvage yard. What part is being sought? Maybe one of us already has one. Leon. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Carl Custer wrote: > > > [Carl]: IIRC, there was one down in the Woodbridge > area but I've not > > visited it. > > > The one down in Woodbridge (H&H Cycles, near the > NOVA campus) > is gone. Not sure when it happened, or where all > the stuff went. > > Hork > > -- > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > Mason Dixon 20-20 Rally, featuring: > Questionable Interpretations http://www.md2020.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 20 18:00:39 2006 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Area Cycle Salvage To: Leon Begeman , Dale Horstman , Carl Custer Cc: DC Cycles , Adam Reinhardt I'm in need of a set of carbs for a Yamaha Seca 2. Thanks Adam --- Leon Begeman wrote: > It happened more than two years ago, some of the > stuff > went to West Virginia where the same people operated > another salvage yard. > > What part is being sought? Maybe one of us already > has one. > > Leon. > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Carl Custer wrote: > > > > > [Carl]: IIRC, there was one down in the > Woodbridge > > area but I've not > > > visited it. > > > > > > The one down in Woodbridge (H&H Cycles, near the > > NOVA campus) > > is gone. Not sure when it happened, or where all > > the stuff went. > > > > Hork > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > Mason Dixon 20-20 Rally, featuring: > > Questionable Interpretations http://www.md2020.org > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 21 17:24:54 2006 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:24:40 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Just to stir things up a bit, 3 riders just completed the inaugural DC SS1K. What is that? you may ask. It's a basic Iron Butt Association Saddle Sore 1K (1,000 miles or more in 24 hours or less). The twist is that each of the rides in the new series must take place entirely within the borders of the State, Province or (in this case) District. Imagine doing 1,000 miles within the confines of DC in less than 24 hours. And you thought YOUR commute was bad :-) Going for a bit of personal glory here, I did the inaugural (I believe) Virginia SS1K on Friday (and a wee bit of Saturday). -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 21 20:15:11 2006 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:14:58 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: Dc-Cycles Cc: "Michael Jordan" Subject: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Just to stir things up a bit, 3 riders just completed the inaugural DC SS1K. What is that? you may ask. It's a basic Iron Butt Association Saddle Sore 1K (1,000 miles or more in 24 hours or less). The twist is that each of the rides in the new series must take place entirely within the borders of the State, Province or (in this case) District. Imagine doing 1,000 miles within the confines of DC in less than 24 hours. [Carl]: I can imagine being stuck in traffic for 24 hours waiting for Chenys entourage to pass but 1000 miles =8^O And you thought YOUR commute was bad :-) Going for a bit of personal glory here, I did the inaugural (I believe) Virginia SS1K on Friday (and a wee bit of Saturday). [Carl]: Congratulations From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 08:55:56 2006 X-IronPortListener: NIH_Relay X-SBRS: None X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,156,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="172172017:sNHT808007006" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:55:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Area Cycle Salvage I need a muffler that would fit a 4-1 exhaust for a 74' CB-750. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 09:05:35 2006 X-IronPortListener: NIH_Relay X-SBRS: None X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,156,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="172179107:sNHT24791856" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:05:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Area Cycle Salvage Dratted send button...Meant to add more. Yes I need a muffler for a 4-into-1 style exhaust. I don't have the measurements on me - but I seem to recall it was like a 3.5" OD exhaust fitting - and I was having trouble finding something that wasn't $350 etc. I don't need new - I just need quiet ;) The previous one was held on by those worm-drive "hose-clamp" style compression ring and by a rear bracket. The first time I needed a new replacement muffler (it just rusted/shredded apart in mid drive) it was cheaper to buy the whole muffler exhaust assembly from a salvage yard ;) This time it wiggled loose past clamp and bracket bolt (only myself to blame there). I am, however, kinda grumpy at the trucker who pancaked it after all the other cars avoided it as I was walking back to get it... ah well. Erick 74' CB-750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 09:17:10 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:17:02 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Cc: Dc-Cycles How do you document such a thing? Anyway, WABA (Washington Area Bicyclist Association) has what they call the "50 State" ride, where you ride all fifty state-name avenues in the District. It comes in at a little over 60 miles. Doing that once would be enough for me. http://www.waba.org/new/ride_with/fiftystates.php On 5/21/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > Just to stir things up a bit, 3 riders just completed the inaugural DC SS1K. > > What is that? you may ask. > > It's a basic Iron Butt Association Saddle Sore 1K (1,000 miles or more > in 24 hours or less). The twist is that each of the rides in the new > series must take place entirely within the borders of the State, > Province or (in this case) District. > > Imagine doing 1,000 miles within the confines of DC in less than 24 hours. > > And you thought YOUR commute was bad :-) > > Going for a bit of personal glory here, I did the inaugural (I > believe) Virginia SS1K on Friday (and a wee bit of Saturday). > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 11:16:09 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:16:00 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K > How do you document such a thing? GPS and witnesses at the turn-around points. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 11:34:51 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:29:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K At 5/22/2006 11:16 AM, Michael Jordan wrote: >>How do you document such a thing? > >GPS and witnesses at the turn-around points. How do you, legally, manage to maintain an *average* of 41 mph for 24 hours in D.C.??? Do it on a Sunday and just shuttle back and forth on a few exits on I395? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 11:37:50 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:37:43 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was speaking more about the DC SS1K. Sounds like a nightmare to document to the IBA's satisfaction, due to its inevitable circularity and repetitiveness. Paul in DC, who did an "out and back" SS1K in 2002. On 5/22/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > How do you document such a thing? > > GPS and witnesses at the turn-around points. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 11:40:36 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:40:19 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Or you could shuttle up and down 295 between Eastern Ave. and Blue Plains about 60 times. Speed limit = 50 mph. Not my cuppa tea, but I guess everyone is entitled to "interesting" hobbies. :) On 5/22/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 5/22/2006 11:16 AM, Michael Jordan wrote: > >>How do you document such a thing? > > > >GPS and witnesses at the turn-around points. > > How do you, legally, manage to maintain an *average* of 41 mph for 24 hours > in D.C.??? Do it on a Sunday and just shuttle back and forth on a few > exits on I395? > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 12:14:28 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:14:14 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K > How do you, legally, manage to maintain an *average* of 41 mph for 24 hours > in D.C.??? Do it on a Sunday and just shuttle back and forth on a few > exits on I395? I don't know the exact route, but I-295 was involved. The ride ran from Saturday into Sunday -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 12:16:47 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:16:40 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K > I was speaking more about the DC SS1K. Sounds like a nightmare to > document to the IBA's satisfaction, due to its inevitable circularity > and repetitiveness. Two of the three riders were Mike Kneebone and Bob Higdon... That, coupled with some pretty unimpeachable witnesses/lap counters. I suspect that documentation will not be an issue. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 13:14:33 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:14:23 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX More info: http://www.bmwbmw.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4312 On 5/22/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > I was speaking more about the DC SS1K. Sounds like a nightmare to > > document to the IBA's satisfaction, due to its inevitable circularity > > and repetitiveness. > > Two of the three riders were Mike Kneebone and Bob Higdon... > > That, coupled with some pretty unimpeachable witnesses/lap counters. > > I suspect that documentation will not be an issue. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 13:23:28 2006 From: "Elric42ZRX" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:23:12 -0400 If you took 295 north and turned around by going onto NY Ave, you technically did not stay in DC. I still want to know the route... Elric42 ---- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K >> How do you, legally, manage to maintain an *average* of 41 mph for 24 >> hours >> in D.C.??? Do it on a Sunday and just shuttle back and forth on a few >> exits on I395? > > I don't know the exact route, but I-295 was involved. > > The ride ran from Saturday into Sunday > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 13:24:20 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:24:12 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Post article Article about motorcycling pastor in the Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/21/AR2006052101224.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 13:32:37 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:32:24 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Elric42ZRX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not to beat a dead horse, but one could turn around at Eastern Ave., which is still in DC. In fact the District "owns" Western, Eastern and Southern Avenues, even though they straddle the DC/Maryland line. The link Aaron posted says the route was repeated 62 (!) times. On 5/22/06, Elric42ZRX wrote: > If you took 295 north and turned around by going onto NY Ave, you > technically did not stay in DC. > > I still want to know the route... > > Elric42 > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Jordan" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K > > > >> How do you, legally, manage to maintain an *average* of 41 mph for 24 > >> hours > >> in D.C.??? Do it on a Sunday and just shuttle back and forth on a few > >> exits on I395? > > > > I don't know the exact route, but I-295 was involved. > > > > The ride ran from Saturday into Sunday > > > > -- > > Michael J. > > '86 SRX-6 > > '93 GSX1100G > > '03 DL1000 > > AMA > > IBA #3901 > > USAF (Ret) > > NRA > > etc. > > > > > > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 13:38:44 2006 From: "Elric42ZRX" Cc: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:38:30 -0400 When you cross the bridge going north on 295, you cross into MD. The exits for NY Ave off of 295 N are actually in Maryland as the north edage of that bridge is the DC Border. That is also technically where Park Police Picks up the jurrisdiction for 295/BW parkway and MD maintains the road. That is also why it is so *&%^&* difficult to get that bridge resurfaced. 3 elements have responsibilty fo rthe project and can;t agree what to do. So, we all suffer through a terrible road surface and a VERY dangerous interchange. Elric42 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Elric42ZRX" Cc: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K Not to beat a dead horse, but one could turn around at Eastern Ave., which is still in DC. In fact the District "owns" Western, Eastern and Southern Avenues, even though they straddle the DC/Maryland line. The link Aaron posted says the route was repeated 62 (!) times. On 5/22/06, Elric42ZRX wrote: > If you took 295 north and turned around by going onto NY Ave, you > technically did not stay in DC. > > I still want to know the route... > > Elric42 > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Jordan" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Inaugural DC SS1K > > > >> How do you, legally, manage to maintain an *average* of 41 mph for 24 > >> hours > >> in D.C.??? Do it on a Sunday and just shuttle back and forth on a few > >> exits on I395? > > > > I don't know the exact route, but I-295 was involved. > > > > The ride ran from Saturday into Sunday > > > > -- > > Michael J. > > '86 SRX-6 > > '93 GSX1100G > > '03 DL1000 > > AMA > > IBA #3901 > > USAF (Ret) > > NRA > > etc. > > > > > > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 14:15:58 2006 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:15:50 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] DC Insurance Hi Folks - Dave the lurker reappearing here and hoping for some good insight. I'm picking up a (barely) used 2006 Ducati S2R1000 today. While I'm thrilled about the bike, I've got insurance sticker shock. I'm used to paying $250/year for full coverage on my Triumph (insured with Hagerty, since it qualifies as vintage). The first two quotes for the Duc through my agent are $4297 and $3525/year, the former from my current home/auto carrier (Chubb)! I got a 3rd quote of $2158 from BikeLine, which would have given me severe indigestion if I'd seen it before the first two, but now is starting to look eminently reasonable. Any other recommendations for a carrier who writes reasonably priced DC-based bike policies? I have 17 years riding experience and a totally clean driving record. Thanks, Dave ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenstein@XXXXXX 67 Jaguar E-Type OTS S1.5 71 Ford F-100 Styleside 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter 04 Yamaha TT-R250 offroad Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 14:28:01 2006 From: "Elric42ZRX" To: "David Lowenstein" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC Insurance Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:27:46 -0400 Welcome to DC. From my experince, you will be hard pressed to find "cheap" insurance in DC. For example: I have a Mazda, VW and Kawasaki ZRX insured in MD right now. The cars would be over $3k in DC, they are $1100 in MD, this is with the same insurance company. My 02 ZRX is $250 in MD, for a year. In DC the best I could do was still almost $1500. This is just one of the many reasons I will work in DC, but not live there. Elric 42 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lowenstein" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] DC Insurance > Hi Folks - > > Dave the lurker reappearing here and hoping for some good insight. I'm > picking up a (barely) used 2006 Ducati S2R1000 today. While I'm thrilled > about the bike, I've got insurance sticker shock. I'm used to paying > $250/year for full coverage on my Triumph (insured with Hagerty, since it > qualifies as vintage). The first two quotes for the Duc through my agent > are $4297 and $3525/year, the former from my current home/auto carrier > (Chubb)! > > I got a 3rd quote of $2158 from BikeLine, which would have given me severe > indigestion if I'd seen it before the first two, but now is starting to > look > eminently reasonable. > > Any other recommendations for a carrier who writes reasonably priced > DC-based bike policies? I have 17 years riding experience and a totally > clean driving record. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > ========================================= > Dave Lowenstein > Washington, DC > dlowenstein@XXXXXX > > 67 Jaguar E-Type OTS S1.5 > 71 Ford F-100 Styleside > 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville > 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter > 04 Yamaha TT-R250 offroad > Keeping parts guys in business nationwide > ========================================= > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 22 19:44:25 2006 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:44:11 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: Elric42ZRX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC Insurance Cc: "David Lowenstein" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Try statefarm. if they wont' do it in dc, pay $100 a month to store it in VA where the rates are signifigantly cheaper. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 23 08:49:33 2006 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:49:20 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: [dc-cycles] 2001 SV650 $3000 Manassas I just bought this bike last fall, but I am finding that I don't have time to ride two, or keep up with 5 vehicles. It is mechanically sound, visually perfect. Feel free to forward this. It goes on craigslist this afternoon. http://www.troutman.org/sv650/ 4200 miles Blue Replaced mirrors and handlebars Bobbed fender Blue front pegs Tank bra Comes with: old mirrors, old handlebars, K&N filter Email or call the numbers below. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Work 703.488.6026 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 23 18:46:54 2006 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:46:36 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] DC Insurance - Good News Turns out that isn't necessarily an oxymoron. Thanks for all the useful responses. Based on multiple suggestions, I contacted both GEICO and State Farm, and both came back with quotes of just over $600/year, or roughly ONE SEVENTH the price quoted by my current home/auto insurer. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has first-hand claims experience with GEICO - my preference would be to go with them because their price was totally stand-alone and not contingent on anything else. In contrast, the State Farm quote was contingent upon switching my auto coverage to them as well, which while not out of the question, is a PIA (for reasons too boring to get into here). If I go with State Farm stand-alone (i.e., without switching my auto coverage), the price more than doubles to ~$1300/year. My only claims experience with GEICO was pretty lousy, but it was also almost 20 years ago and I'm not willing to hold a grudge that long without good reason. The best news is that I have a very shiny S2R1000 in the back of my pickup, and if I get this insurance thing resolved tomorrow I just might be riding it this weekend :-) Thanks again for the help. Dave ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenstein@XXXXXX 67 Jaguar E-Type OTS S1.5 71 Ford F-100 Styleside 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter 04 Yamaha TT-R250 offroad 06 Ducati Monster S2R1000 Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 24 09:54:30 2006 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC Insurance - Good News To: David Lowenstein , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've had GEICO auto for my 11 years of legal driving. My family has had GEICO for several decades. From their experience, GEICO used to be very strict and very picky regarding claims. Apparently, the powers that be forced GEICO to revamp their applicant and claims process. This was all years ago. In my 11 years, I've been very happy with them. Had one "incident" where a tractor trailer hugged the side of my old truck. Was in a merge area for both of us, which in VA is a bad place to have a collision if you think you're not at fault. Regardless...GEICO stuck with me through the process and ended up making it right on my end. However, I've checked with them several times for bike insurance and they still want 2 to 3 times more than I'm currently paying with Progressive. Doesn't make sense to me, but it is their loss. Their customer service is top notch IMO. If you got a good quote from them, I wouldn't hesitate to insure with GEICO. But, my gut feeling is they'll be quick to adjust your rates if you're caught riding like a hooligan. - Jimmy --- David Lowenstein wrote: > > I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has first-hand claims > experience with > GEICO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 24 10:08:06 2006 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:07:48 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] DC Insurance - Good News Insurance has no rhyme of reason. When I bought my GSX1100G some years back, my insurance carrier (Nationwide - cars, house et. al.) wanted over $1,400/year to cover it. Progressive did the trick for under $400. Whdn Sean bought his first bike, I suggested that he try Progressive, based on my experience. They quoted him something in the area of $1,600, IIRC. He would up with Nationwide at under $600. Go figure. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 24 15:17:51 2006 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:17:37 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] We're almost the worst place in America to drive... http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12954585/ Folks, Not a surprise considering the insurance bill I get every month. We're almost number 1 in the country for worst cities to drive. We're just slightly behind Newark, NJ. That's pretty damn funny... Let's all give a round of applause for the Frenchman who designed our city. Thank you Pierre L'Enfant. The city is effectively safe from invasion AND safe from safe commutes. -James Gallina '06 Duc Monster S2R Archos Helmetcam (to record the cager that finally gets me) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 24 15:33:56 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:33:45 -0400 To: "James G" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] We're almost the worst place in America to drive... At 03:17 PM 5/24/2006, James G wrote: >Let's all give a round of applause for the Frenchman who designed our >city. Thank you Pierre L'Enfant. The city is effectively safe from >invasion AND safe from safe commutes. Agreed! I have no idea why L'Enfant put the Beltway in so close, and didn't include more 12-lane bridges over the Potomac. Typical French engineering -- we're lucky we're not all driving Peugeots or Citroens. -- Larry (assuming James rides a Harley, or other good Amurrican iron...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 24 15:49:51 2006 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:49:23 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] We're almost the worst place in America to drive... I don't think the Beltway or Wilson Bridge would be included in those stats...I was just reflecting on traffic circles, the fact that there are four 3rd and C streets and that we insist on locating traffic lights on the sides of roads rather than over them (derived from Parisian building code that keeps all avenues clear of obstruction and building heights low for great scenic views). "Gee hun, you can see the Capitol from all the way up here in Adams Morgan, that's neat how those traffic lights can let us see soo far....SCCRREEEEECCCHHHHH!! BANG!" "Damn, hun...where did that guy on the motorcycle come from??" -James Gallina '06 Duc Monster S2R Archos Helmetcam (to record the cager that finally gets me) On 5/24/06, ll wrote: > At 03:17 PM 5/24/2006, James G wrote: > > >Let's all give a round of applause for the Frenchman who designed our > >city. Thank you Pierre L'Enfant. The city is effectively safe from > >invasion AND safe from safe commutes. > > Agreed! I have no idea why L'Enfant put the Beltway in so close, and didn't > include more 12-lane bridges over the Potomac. > > Typical French engineering -- we're lucky we're not all driving Peugeots or > Citroens. > > -- Larry (assuming James rides a Harley, or other good Amurrican iron...) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 24 16:03:53 2006 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:49:31 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] We're almost the worst place in America to drive... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Average of 5.1 years between accidents? Wow. I'm pulling up the average. I had to ride 800 miles to the boondocks of downstate Illinois to have my only crash. Alexandria and Arlington didn't do much better, I note, being jurisdictions blessedly free of a "French" military engineer's street plan. A plan endorsed by George Washington and his appointed commissioners. Moreover, poor ole L'Enfant got crosswise with said commissioners and got himself fired before he could finish the job. Actually I like the radial avenues. Much better for getting across town than a simplistic grid, like most American cities have. On 5/24/06, James G wrote: > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12954585/ > > Folks, > > Not a surprise considering the insurance bill I get every month. > We're almost number 1 in the country for worst cities to drive. We're > just slightly behind Newark, NJ. That's pretty damn funny... > > Let's all give a round of applause for the Frenchman who designed our > city. Thank you Pierre L'Enfant. The city is effectively safe from > invasion AND safe from safe commutes. > > -James Gallina > '06 Duc Monster S2R > Archos Helmetcam (to record the cager that finally gets me) > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed May 24 19:02:24 2006 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:01:40 -0400 From: Aki Damme To: dc-cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Patti Rodgers Patti..I sent email to your work address and it bounced. If you're still on this list, can you ping me off-list? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 25 08:01:05 2006 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:00:44 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "James Gallina" Subject: [dc-cycles] We're almost the worst place in America to drive... James Groused: "Let's all give a round of applause for the Frenchman who designed our city. Thank you Pierre L'Enfant. The city is effectively safe from invasion AND safe from safe commutes. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12954585/ [Carl]: Yeah, the DC Metro area starts at 188 and continues to 196. Dallas, TX has another similar cluster. FWIW, Tuesday I saw a Dual Sport on D SW, headed toward the SW freeway painted in "Urban Safety" colors. IIRC, it was three-toned fluorescent Yellow, red and green. In honor of Pierre L'Enfant, I thought "Tres Quoole". I've been thinking of repainting a couple of my bikes but concerned over getting a smooth hard finish. Hummm. [JG]: "Archos Helmetcam (to record the cager that finally gets me)" [Carl]: Anyone remember the former DC lister who moved to 'Lanta and posted some helmet traffic video? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu May 25 10:36:42 2006 X-Spam-Level: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:40:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] We're almost the worst place in America to drive... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 03:49 PM 5/24/2006, Paul Wilson wrote: >Actually I like the radial avenues. Much better for getting across >town than a simplistic grid, like most American cities have. If only they were continuous! I remember my first experience driving in DC. Brought a date in one night to hear some jazz at a club on Vermont. We tried our best, but we never did find the section of Vermont that that club was on. About a year later, I Metroed in to meet another date for lunch near her workplace. Of course, the place she took me for lunch was the jazz place I had sought in vain a year earlier... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 27 20:12:46 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:12:19 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Rolling Thunder/Vets/Victory at Sea Monday, at least a major part of the outstanding Victory at Sea series is airing on PBS. Given standard caveats, thought this might be of interest to newer defenders of freedom. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > History that remains relevant. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 27 23:11:01 2006 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:08:36 -0400 From: skip To: "W.S." CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rolling Thunder/Vets/Victory at Sea since you mentioned rolling thunder... if anyone is going to be out in the herndon area, Jimmy's Old Town Tavern is having a "Rally in the alley" fundraiser. I'm plaing at about 1:15. --skip "W.S." wrote: > > Monday, at least a major part of the outstanding Victory at Sea series is > airing on PBS. Given standard caveats, thought this might be of interest to > newer defenders of freedom. > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > History that remains relevant. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 29 15:27:05 2006 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:26:49 -0400 From: David Blumgart To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Driver drags bike 4 miles "A N.C. man was charged with assault and battery with intent to kill after a car plowed into a motorcyclist early Sunday and dragged his bike for several miles down U.S. 17 Business. Larry Jacobs, of Sugar Grove, N.C., was arrested in Surfside Beach after witnesses saw a car hit 27-year-old Makino Robinson from behind, then continue driving at least four miles with the motorcycle pinned beneath his car...." http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/14692292.htm [via Fark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 29 19:15:08 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 19:14:50 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Some of what I did for Memorial Day weekend Well, first of all on Saturday I sampled the route to get to Rolling Thunder at the Pentagon North lot. Then I biked to Olney to pick up crabs and fixings for the weekend. Then on Sunday I tried to get to the RT group at Pentagon North. Absolutely no luck from two directions around 11a 'cause the roads had been police-blocked. On a third try, involving Spout Run and Rte 110, I finally ended up at the south side of the Memorial Bridge/Arlington Cemetery circle. Which turned lemon into lemonade. It was a snap to drop into the parade from there, rather than what has been portrayed as a sweaty wait out of the PenNor lot. Entry was about 12:20, and after passing a big HD stall in the middle of the bridge and a gendarme block the biker line with an apparently unplanned entry about 21st and Constitution, I arrived back home about 1p. My first RT ride, and a virtually painless run which scratched an itch building for years. 'Course the weather was a kick. On Monday, found this half-page piece in the NYT on the Patriot Guard Riders (of previous note on this list) -- http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/29/nyregion/29patriot.html?_r=1 &oref=slogin Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Want to taste crabs Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 29 23:19:32 2006 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,186,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="392713234:sNHT22230042" From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:20:54 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Driver Drags bike 4 miles so, in other words I had better be on the lookout for this nutcase as I now live in the town next door to Sugar Grove???!!!! I thought I left this type of behavior behind when I left the booming DC metropolis! Thanks, Lisa Goddard www.booneactioncycle.com www.boonehonda.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:26:49 -0400 From: David Blumgart To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Driver drags bike 4 miles "A N.C. man was charged with assault and battery with intent to kill after a car plowed into a motorcyclist early Sunday and dragged his bike for several miles down U.S. 17 Business. Larry Jacobs, of Sugar Grove, N.C., was arrested in Surfside Beach after witnesses saw a car hit 27-year-old Makino Robinson from behind, then continue driving at least four miles with the motorcycle pinned beneath his car...." http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/14692292.h tm [via Fark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 30 11:39:26 2006 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some of what I did for Memorial Day weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I spent my weekend torquing off the greenie-weenies by combusting gallons of high octane with precious oxygen and shredding (well, not quite) the natural resources of Borneo and Indonesia (rubber) and continuing the subjugation of those indigent people by the multi-national capitalist hegemonies. In other words, I spent 2 days lapping VIR north and south course with Team Pro-Motion. I ran with the intermediate group but was an easy 15-20 seconds off the pace. Then again there were only 2 other SV650s out there and the other ~25 bikes in my class were 100+HP 600 and 1000cc. (yeah, I know excuses excuses...) I was about 5-7 seconds off the race preped SVs with race tires while I was running Shinko 005 rubber ($70 each, not bad considering) and totally stock front-end (sucky). The rear Penske I put on the night before worked great. I'm a chicken in high speed situations so I was happy to cruise the main straights at 95-105mph in 5th while the liter-boys went by at paint-sucking speeds. Getting a little headshake didn't help my confidence either. In the corners though we were damn close. Naturally I lost out in sheer exit drive. But unlike many other people who crashed or got flung in the air, I finished without incident except for one small bobble after my foot clipped a curb. One guy highsided 20ft in front of me and it was 'fun' trying to avoid his tumbling bits. There were some laps where I hassled a ZX6R and had a lot of fun but didn't have the cojones to actually put a pass on him even though I was rather faster in the curvy bits. I'd slingshot past at T10 (north) but he'd pass me like I was standing still shortly thereafter and we'd repeat our little dance from T3 onward. As you can see from the pics, my butt might as well be glued to the center of the seat. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/pattonme/my_photos __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 30 11:56:01 2006 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Some of what I did for Memorial Day weekend To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ahh How I love VIR!! Too bad my ride fell through the Sunday before. Although I must say it was a productive weekend none the less, would've preferred to be at VIR but I did get some more work done on finally buying a Condo in Alexandria as well as the much needed coolant swap so as to be track prepped for TD's in June and beyond. Sounds like all in all it was a good weekend for you Matthew. Maybe next time, I'll be at the track as well. As for the pics, looks good but like you said get your butt off the seat and you'll probably pick up more time in the corners and put some space bettween you and the other bikes. Did you start in Intermediate or get bumped? Was this your first trackday? I remember my first trackday and taking my time with it and coming back without damage unlike some of the other folks out there. Ian --- matthew patton wrote: > I spent my weekend torquing off the greenie-weenies > by combusting > gallons of high octane with precious oxygen and > shredding (well, not > quite) the natural resources of Borneo and Indonesia > (rubber) and > continuing the subjugation of those indigent people > by the > multi-national capitalist hegemonies. > > In other words, I spent 2 days lapping VIR north and > south course with > Team Pro-Motion. I ran with the intermediate group > but was an easy > 15-20 seconds off the pace. Then again there were > only 2 other SV650s > out there and the other ~25 bikes in my class were > 100+HP 600 and > 1000cc. (yeah, I know excuses excuses...) I was > about 5-7 seconds off > the race preped SVs with race tires while I was > running Shinko 005 > rubber ($70 each, not bad considering) and totally > stock front-end > (sucky). The rear Penske I put on the night before > worked great. > > I'm a chicken in high speed situations so I was > happy to cruise the > main straights at 95-105mph in 5th while the > liter-boys went by at > paint-sucking speeds. Getting a little headshake > didn't help my > confidence either. In the corners though we were > damn close. Naturally > I lost out in sheer exit drive. But unlike many > other people who > crashed or got flung in the air, I finished without > incident except for > one small bobble after my foot clipped a curb. One > guy highsided 20ft > in front of me and it was 'fun' trying to avoid his > tumbling bits. > There were some laps where I hassled a ZX6R and had > a lot of fun but > didn't have the cojones to actually put a pass on > him even though I was > rather faster in the curvy bits. I'd slingshot past > at T10 (north) but > he'd pass me like I was standing still shortly > thereafter and we'd > repeat our little dance from T3 onward. > > As you can see from the pics, my butt might as well > be glued to the > center of the seat. > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/pattonme/my_photos > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 1 22:16:33 2006 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:15:29 -0400 From: jennthebiker@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] greetings a friendly hello to all the members who survived my emails almost 4 years ago! and a friendly greeting to all of those who are new since then. many names on the email list look very familiar. i certainly have grown in my motorcycle riding since the cute purple honda shadow riding days :) in my 4 years of riding i have almost 60k miles under my butt, on bike number 3 and have bike #2 as my track bike. (both are sv650s's) recently got bumped to Red with TPM and intermediate with nesba. due to my work schedule i don't do many weekend rides but i get out on a tuesday every now and again :) a friend once said to me 'when i want to learn something i ask the guys at dc-cycles' so i think ill lurk.. see what everyone else has going on and maybe post up every once in awhile. happy riding :) jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 1 22:49:49 2006 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] greetings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you were hoping or expecting the list traffic to be comparable to 4 years ago, you'll be in for an unfortunate surprise. I'm not sure where the listers now go for their need to talk motorcycles, but its not here. I thought maybe list traffic had shifted to the area sportbike forums, but after checking them out I don't think that's the case. Adam 93 Honda NSR 250 SP 94 Suzuki RGV 250 SP 93 Yamaha Seca 600 --- jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > a friendly hello to all the members who survived my > emails almost 4 > years ago! and a friendly greeting to all of those > who are new since > then. > > many names on the email list look very familiar. i > certainly have > grown in my motorcycle riding since the cute purple > honda shadow riding > days :) in my 4 years of riding i have almost 60k > miles under my butt, > on bike number 3 and have bike #2 as my track bike. > (both are > sv650s's) recently got bumped to Red with TPM and > intermediate with > nesba. > > due to my work schedule i don't do many weekend > rides but i get out on > a tuesday every now and again :) > > a friend once said to me 'when i want to learn > something i ask the guys > at dc-cycles' so i think ill lurk.. see what > everyone else has going > on and maybe post up every once in awhile. > > happy riding :) > jtb > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 07:23:02 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 04:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] greetings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Maybe we're busy riding? ;-) Glenn --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > If you were hoping or expecting the list traffic to > be > comparable to 4 years ago, you'll be in for an > unfortunate surprise. I'm not sure where the > listers > now go for their need to talk motorcycles, but its > not > here. > > I thought maybe list traffic had shifted to the area > sportbike forums, but after checking them out I > don't > think that's the case. > > > Adam > > 93 Honda NSR 250 SP > 94 Suzuki RGV 250 SP > 93 Yamaha Seca 600 > > > > > --- jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > a friendly hello to all the members who survived > my > > emails almost 4 > > years ago! and a friendly greeting to all of > those > > who are new since > > then. > > > > many names on the email list look very familiar. > i > > certainly have > > grown in my motorcycle riding since the cute > purple > > honda shadow riding > > days :) in my 4 years of riding i have almost 60k > > miles under my butt, > > on bike number 3 and have bike #2 as my track > bike. > > (both are > > sv650s's) recently got bumped to Red with TPM and > > intermediate with > > nesba. > > > > due to my work schedule i don't do many weekend > > rides but i get out on > > a tuesday every now and again :) > > > > a friend once said to me 'when i want to learn > > something i ask the guys > > at dc-cycles' so i think ill lurk.. see what > > everyone else has going > > on and maybe post up every once in awhile. > > > > happy riding :) > > jtb > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 08:13:53 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 8:13:41 -0400 From: Patrick Carter To: jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] greetings where's my brownies!!! congrates on the bumps homie ---- jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > a friendly hello to all the members who survived my emails almost 4 > years ago! and a friendly greeting to all of those who are new since > then. > > many names on the email list look very familiar. i certainly have > grown in my motorcycle riding since the cute purple honda shadow riding > days :) in my 4 years of riding i have almost 60k miles under my butt, > on bike number 3 and have bike #2 as my track bike. (both are > sv650s's) recently got bumped to Red with TPM and intermediate with > nesba. > > due to my work schedule i don't do many weekend rides but i get out on > a tuesday every now and again :) > > a friend once said to me 'when i want to learn something i ask the guys > at dc-cycles' so i think ill lurk.. see what everyone else has going > on and maybe post up every once in awhile. > > happy riding :) > jtb > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 09:44:55 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] greetings Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:45:01 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Welcome back, Jenn! I'm still around. Congrats on the skill progression. I'm pretty much a contrarian, I ride to work every day but haven't been on a weekend ride in years. Tracks sound fun, but I stay away from anything I could get addicted to :) Cedric Bernescut CBR600F4 Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs a friend once said to me 'when i want to learn something i ask the guys at dc-cycles' so i think ill lurk.. see what everyone else has going on and maybe post up every once in awhile. happy riding :) jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 10:11:01 2006 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:10:54 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: [dc-cycles] Update Since we apparently don't talk enough about bikes on the list, I figure I'll come out of lurk mode for a minute. I've been on dc-cycles for about 8 years, and this amount of traffic is just fine with me. Great trip reports. A real lack of helmet law, guns, loud pipes, etc debate; but otherwise a great list ;-) Last Saturday I sold my SV650 to a guy from craigslist, for $300 more than I paid for it last fall. I added pegs, new bars, tank bra, new mirrors, K&N filter and 1000 miles to the odometer. I just don't have time to ride and maintain two bikes right now, so I'll focus on the VFR. I also felt way over sized on it (6'2", 220#). Last Sunday I helped a buddy pick up his new Harley softail deuce in Manassas and get it back home. We then went for a 150 mile leisure cruise around the mountains Monday, to Winchester and back. I haven't stopped to take down the route, but it went something like Liberia to Brentsville to 619 to 28S to Vint Hill to 29W to Beverlys Mill to 55W to The Plains and that cutover to Middleburg to 50W to Winchester, then back via the road next to the Shenandoah, pitting at the low water bridge then looping around to Ravine road? (fun!), 55, 66, 55, then I had to haul ass up the PWParkway to make it home (late) for the BBQ. My hope was to wrap up his break in period (500 miles under 3k RPM), but I had to get back for a BBQ by 2pm and he never got over 60mph. He used to ride on road about 12 years ago, and is scheduled for MSF in Lynchburg in July. Until then, I am keeping the bike in my garage, safe and sound. Speaking of the VFR, something weird happened at the end of my ride home last night (God it is humid in traffic) when I kicked down the stand in neutral the bike died. Then I brought it back up and the battery died. I am hoping it isn't time for a new Reg/Rec. I have it on the charger, so we'll see if it is just time for another battery. I doubt it, this one is only 2 years old. I am at 45k and the last one failed at 27k, so it would be a bit early for another failure; but not uncommon. So, I ride to work on the bike every day but I don't love it. I used to commute from PWC through Clifton on curvy back roads through to curvy Vienna back roads and on to the other side of Reston in 45 minutes in the morning. An hour home with traffic. Now I drive up 28 to Chantilly and it sucks. It takes an hour each way to go half the distance. My only joy is splitting off at Compton road and taking Bull Run Post Office to 29. This works well in the morning, but is bogged down with construction vehicles in the afternoon. When it is over 90 with 90% humidity, being dead stopped for 10 minutes in traffic isn't fun. It sucks. At least in the cage I get A/C and Sirius. On the bike I get hand cramps and pissed off. I continue to ride in, rain or shine, I just don't love it. Except at lunch. I guess that makes it worth it. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 10:30:45 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kipp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] thinking of purchasing a 1993 V-max Hello list, It's been a few months since writing, as I sold my first bike last fall. I learned for three seasons on a 1986 Yamaha Radian (600cc standard). I'm looking to purchase a very nice '93 Yamaha V-max and was wondering if I could get some thoughts from all of you on possible issues I should be aware of for this bike. I know it's a muscle cruiser, which I exactly the category of bike I'm looking for. I've been reading and searching for more info online, specifically load capacity, tire sizes and types, and other pertinent information I should be aware of. I have had little luck finding these specifications, which I think should be easy to find. Anyone have a good reference website for such info, or could provide me with it for the 1993 model V-max? Some might think the move from a 600cc standard to a 1200cc muscle cruiser might be too much, but I'm a big guy (6'3 280 lbs) so it's not too much of a bike for my size. I know it'll be a big adjustment, to get used to over 80 ft-lbs of torque and over 110 hp. I'll take it slow, believe me. I'm a pretty cautious rider, until I get used to a bike (even then, more cautious than most I think). So, feedback? -Kipp. "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 10:37:19 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:37:11 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] thinking of purchasing a 1993 V-max On 6/2/06, Kipp wrote: > Some might think the move from a 600cc standard to a 1200cc muscle cruiser > might be too much, but I'm a big guy (6'3 280 lbs) so it's not too much of > a bike for my size. I know it'll be a big adjustment, to get used to over > 80 ft-lbs of torque and over 110 hp. I'll take it slow, believe me. I'm > a pretty cautious rider, until I get used to a bike (even then, more > cautious than most I think). > > So, feedback? > > -Kipp. Feedback on your choice of a Vmax or feedback on the bike itself? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 10:56:43 2006 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:53:33 -0400 To: Kipp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] thinking of purchasing a 1993 V-max At 6/2/2006 10:30 AM, Kipp wrote: >I'm looking to purchase a very nice '93 Yamaha V-max and was wondering if >I could get some thoughts from all of you on possible issues I should be >aware of for this bike. I know it's a muscle cruiser, which I exactly the >category of bike I'm looking for. The strange power curve can surprise you, or so I hear from those who have ridden them, so throttle control is critical. I heard the same in a review when the bike first came out...the very experienced magazine reviewer said he just about lost it on a curve when he opened the throttle a bit for the exit and the power suddenly increased more than he expected...since it had been slacking off a little just before that. That butterfly valve in the intake manifold opens at something like 3300 RPMs, so the power curve has two "humps" rather than the usual single "hump". His conclusion was that inexperienced riders should stay the heck off the bike...but that those with some experience would love it once they got used to it. >I've been reading and searching for more info online, specifically load >capacity, tire sizes and types, and other pertinent information I should >be aware of. I have had little luck finding these specifications, which I >think should be easy to find. Anyone have a good reference website for >such info, or could provide me with it for the 1993 model V-max? At the Chantilly bike show last spring there was a V-Max club set up in the corner. If you can find them, they'd be your best source of info and advice. Perhaps through one of the web sites? Google is your friend: http://www.vmaxclub.com/ http://www.vmax.co.uk/ http://www.v-max.com/ http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/ Those, and several more in other countries, popped up with a search for "v-max club". Pretty obscure, I realize... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 11:11:04 2006 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:10:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] thinking of purchasing a 1993 V-max To: Kipp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Kipp >Date: Fri Jun 02 09:30:33 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] thinking of purchasing a 1993 V-max >Hello list, > >It's been a few months since writing, as I sold my first bike last fall. >I learned for three seasons on a 1986 Yamaha Radian (600cc standard). > >I'm looking to purchase a very nice '93 Yamaha V-max and was wondering if >I could get some thoughts from all of you on possible issues I should be >aware of for this bike. I know it's a muscle cruiser, which I exactly the >category of bike I'm looking for. > >I've been reading and searching for more info online, specifically load >capacity, tire sizes and types, and other pertinent information I should >be aware of. I have had little luck finding these specifications, which I >think should be easy to find. Anyone have a good reference website for >such info, or could provide me with it for the 1993 model V-max? > >Some might think the move from a 600cc standard to a 1200cc muscle cruiser >might be too much, but I'm a big guy (6'3 280 lbs) so it's not too much of >a bike for my size. I know it'll be a big adjustment, to get used to over >80 ft-lbs of torque and over 110 hp. I'll take it slow, believe me. I'm >a pretty cautious rider, until I get used to a bike (even then, more >cautious than most I think). > >So, feedback? > >-Kipp. > check out the 2,400+ member yahoo group: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/vmaxtech/ they'll probably be able to tell you more than you'll ever want to know about Maxes. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 11:38:16 2006 From: (Andrew Culpepper) biga@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] greetings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:38:02 -0400 That's my excuse. Andrew On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 04:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Glenn Dysart wrote: > Maybe we're busy riding? ;-) > > Glenn > > --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > If you were hoping or expecting the list traffic to > > be > > comparable to 4 years ago, you'll be in for an > > unfortunate surprise. I'm not sure where the > > listers > > now go for their need to talk motorcycles, but its > > not > > here. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 12:02:41 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update To: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles I share the same pleasurable torment. I used to ride for fun, now I ride to commute. Yesterday, I had the occasion to make a run up to Gaithersburg from downtown DC, left at 10am. Took the GW Parkway up to 495 etc. Oh my, how enjoyable it was to ride somewhere other than the Dulles Toll Road and I-66. Somewhere that actually required I nudge the handlebar at speeds above 25 mph. It had been 6 months, at least, since I rode anywhere but the commute. Heck, my ZRX has only seen maybe 600 miles of pleasure riding in its 16,000 mile life. Seems like I just bought it yesterday.... So, the ride up GW Parkway was so nice and refreshing that my wife and I have decided we'll ride the bike up to Shenandoah NP next weekend to visit family camping at Loft. Was going to take the cage so we could haul our 7 month old along. Gotta show the baby off. Fortunately, the grandparents are also visiting the family and are willing to cart Austyn up there, so we can get some saddle time. This will be the first ride my wife has taken since we found out we were pregnant in March 2005. A mixture of emotions for both of us; to both be on the bike together, with an infant at "home". But, we're looking forward to it - will cross our fingers, ride safe as safe gets, and with any luck and help from the powers that be, we'll have a fun and safe 1st ride, again. Anyone know if they smoothed the rumble strips up the mtn on 211, or are they still there inviting trouble? - Jimmy --- Mike Troutman wrote: > So, I ride to work on the bike every day but I don't love it. I > used to > commute from PWC through Clifton on curvy back roads through to > curvy > Vienna back roads and on to the other side of Reston in 45 minutes > in > the morning. An hour home with traffic. Now I drive up 28 to > Chantilly > and it sucks. It takes an hour each way to go half the distance. > My > only joy is splitting off at Compton road and taking Bull Run Post > Office to 29. This works well in the morning, but is bogged down > with > construction vehicles in the afternoon. When it is over 90 with > 90% > humidity, being dead stopped for 10 minutes in traffic isn't fun. > It > sucks. At least in the cage I get A/C and Sirius. On the bike I > get > hand cramps and pissed off. I continue to ride in, rain or shine, > I > just don't love it. Except at lunch. I guess that makes it worth > it. > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 12:08:52 2006 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:06:05 -0400 From: skip To: "James O'Connor" CC: mike@XXXXXX, DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update glad you're getting back out. it's still fun ;-) I was up 211 about a month ago, and I didn't have any issues with the rumble strips. they're far enough from the corners that unless you're doing a time trial run, you shouldn't have any problems with them. strange thing about that road... if I simply maintain the speed limit, through the turns and everything, it's still a blast. at least to me, anway. --skip James O'Connor wrote: > Anyone know if they smoothed the rumble strips up the mtn on 211, or > are they still there inviting trouble? > > - Jimmy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 12:32:46 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:32:35 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update > strange thing about that road... if I simply maintain the speed limit, > through the turns and everything, it's still a blast. It used to be, but then they went and lowered the speed limit. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 13:16:32 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:16:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update To: DCCycles Damm, seeing a few names from the past has made me decide to admit that I have been re-lurking for about 2 weeks. Good to hear that the same folks are still riding. I too am in the 'ride to work' but nowhere else camp. I just got the VFR back up after a winter of flat tires and dead batteries. My commute is only <10 minutes through DC traffic. Filerting? of course! Those who knew me from before may remember I have been planning to move to Europe for a while. Well, its definetely on. By next January I should be living near some of the best Alpine roads around. If anyone has Chuck Pena's latest email address, please ping me offline. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 13:23:11 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:23:04 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update > I too am in the 'ride to work' but nowhere else camp. I'm in the other camp :-) > Those who knew me from before may remember I have been > planning to move to Europe for a while. Well, its > definetely on. By next January I should be living > near some of the best Alpine roads around. Where are you moving to? I love the Alps (5 weeks & counting). Oh yes - don't forget to publish your new street address ;-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 15:02:43 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:02:35 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update Cc: DCCycles On 6/2/06, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Damm, seeing a few names from the past has made me > decide to admit that I have been re-lurking for about > 2 weeks. Good to hear that the same folks are still > riding. I too am in the 'ride to work' but nowhere > else camp. I just got the VFR back up after a winter > of flat tires and dead batteries. My commute is only > <10 minutes through DC traffic. Filerting? of course! Welp, my commute has shrunk to about 45 feet and about 30 seconds, so I don't ride to work any more. I do ride "for work" though, to visit clients and whatnot. In this city it's a relief to be on a bike and know I can park just about anywhere and not have to waste time trolling for a spot. Due to the demands of running my own business I don't participate much in mc lists, or any lists for that matter, and have tried to cut back my discretionary seat time in front of the computer as much as I can. For this reason, you all have been spared my bloviations. :) I do miss the Bike Nights, though. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 15:50:03 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update To: Michael Jordan , DC Cycles Grenoble, FR > > Where are you moving to? I love the Alps (5 weeks & > counting). > > Oh yes - don't forget to publish your new street > address ;-) > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 19:07:35 2006 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:07:24 -0400 From: "Steven Longstreet" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] websites with group rides Hey everyone- First time writing to the list, but read a bit. Anyone know of a good website or online forum that organizes weekend or group rides? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 2 22:45:32 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, celticracing@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:44:11 -0400 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,8-9,15-16,18-19,22-25 From: "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" X-ContentStamp: 8:4:3297826971 X-MAIL-INFO: 5be0917524a46d45d4b441b41ded41ede1d11955dded747995b55dc10599243038859dbd7134053479010501b4bd294d3d50a184a5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXNeYUto3esq3DYkoDfv6PCqpI0UWik85mg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.lax.untd.com|celticracing@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] New Retirement; New Job; New E-mail; New Garage - I must be turning 50! I've been on DC Cycles for a number of years, and often found it useful. Trouble was, work was so time consuming and draining, that once I stopped racing I pretty much stopped frequent riding. Now, I'm retiring from the Federal Government, and going to work selling bikes for Whitt's H-D/Buell in Manassas starting tomorrow! Something I've always wanted to do, and the stars just aligned. I won't be plugging the list for business, but hey, if you're looking for a H-D or Buell, I hope you'll come see me or give me a call at (703) 244-6739. Working with bikes has been my dream, and as part of realizing that dream, I am just putting the finishing touches on my 24x40 3+ car garage (added to the end of my original 2 car garage) to allow me to spread out and work on the collection. Wired for cable, 220, phone, insulated at R-15, and a separate heat pump for the game room upstairs. Not bragging - just sharing. I've also finally upgraded to cable, and my new e-mail address is celticracing@XXXXXX. Now that I'm retired from the old job and working in the motorcycle industry, I hope to be more involved with the list and other DC area activities. Best Regards, Tom Fitzpatrick was celticracing@XXXXXX NOW celticracing@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 3 09:22:23 2006 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:22:15 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New Retirement; New Job; New E-mail; New Garage - I must be turning 50! On 6/2/06, Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III wrote: > Now that I'm retired from the old job and working in the motorcycle > industry, I hope to be more involved with the list and other DC area > activities. > > Best Regards, > Tom Fitzpatrick Congrats, Tom! -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 3 09:48:10 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] New Retirement; New Job; New E-mail; New Garage - I must be turning 50! Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:48:04 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793de080dc11e5b015f44bc597d94d7039350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c That's a 32 bike garge Tom! DAYUM. Did I read that right that you're just sharing that garage with us? ;-) I'll wish you luck, but it's pretty clear you're good at making your own. Congratulations Dave -----Original Message----- From: Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III [mailto:celticracing@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; celticracing@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] New Retirement; New Job; New E-mail; New Garage - I must be turning 50! I've been on DC Cycles for a number of years, and often found it useful. Trouble was, work was so time consuming and draining, that once I stopped racing I pretty much stopped frequent riding. Now, I'm retiring from the Federal Government, and going to work selling bikes for Whitt's H-D/Buell in Manassas starting tomorrow! Something I've always wanted to do, and the stars just aligned. I won't be plugging the list for business, but hey, if you're looking for a H-D or Buell, I hope you'll come see me or give me a call at (703) 244-6739. Working with bikes has been my dream, and as part of realizing that dream, I am just putting the finishing touches on my 24x40 3+ car garage (added to the end of my original 2 car garage) to allow me to spread out and work on the collection. Wired for cable, 220, phone, insulated at R-15, and a separate heat pump for the game room upstairs. Not bragging - just sharing. I've also finally upgraded to cable, and my new e-mail address is celticracing@XXXXXX. Now that I'm retired from the old job and working in the motorcycle industry, I hope to be more involved with the list and other DC area activities. Best Regards, Tom Fitzpatrick was celticracing@XXXXXX NOW celticracing@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 3 12:05:59 2006 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] websites with group rides Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:05:47 -0400 www.dcsportbikes.com & www.dcsportbikes.net >From: "Steven Longstreet" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] websites with group rides >Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:07:24 -0400 > >Hey everyone- > >First time writing to the list, but read a bit. Anyone know of a good >website or online forum that organizes weekend or group rides? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 3 13:38:33 2006 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There are some great roads just south of Grenoble heading toward Villard De Lans. Good ski areas out there too. Plus you'll find everyone knows how to drive an automobile, unlike being here... Enjoy. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Grenoble, FR > > > > > > Where are you moving to? I love the Alps (5 weeks > & > > counting). > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 3 15:28:36 2006 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:25:42 -0400 From: skip To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update it was 45 last time I was there. I was definately leaning my bike over to make all those turns at 45. Michael Jordan wrote: > > > strange thing about that road... if I simply maintain the speed limit, > > through the turns and everything, it's still a blast. > > It used to be, but then they went and lowered the speed limit. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 3 15:32:49 2006 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:30:00 -0400 From: skip To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] websites with group rides now with a greater than 1 crash per outing rating! thanks, but I'll pass ;-) --skip ps, i'm just kidding... I have never been on a ride withany of those folks, but I've heard they tend to have get-offs on outings. rich hall wrote: > > www.dcsportbikes.com & www.dcsportbikes.net > > >From: "Steven Longstreet" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: [dc-cycles] websites with group rides > >Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:07:24 -0400 > > > >Hey everyone- > > > >First time writing to the list, but read a bit. Anyone know of a good > >website or online forum that organizes weekend or group rides? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 3 15:51:30 2006 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:51:23 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] websites with group rides On 6/3/06, skip wrote: > > ps, i'm just kidding... I have never been on a ride withany of those > folks, but I've heard they tend to have get-offs on outings. > I have heard the same thing, Skip. To the OP, organize a ride and post it up. I'm sure you'll get a couple people to join up. I setup a ride recently (not posted here, sorry) and got 8 or 9 local riders. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 3 16:00:09 2006 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Vacation pictures! This talk of Grenoble got me thinking that I never posted a link to any of my pictures here (mostly lurk, I guess). Anyway, Michael Jordan got me and a friend started on the right direction to a rental motorcycle tour of the Alps a few years ago, and we managed to make it back another couple times after that thanks to some judicious planning with our employer and selection of just the right academic conferences we really needed them to send us to (one in Padua, one in Toulouse, one in Barcelona. Boy, that was the tough life. This year's conference was Houston, alas..). The last trip was in April (and of course the Alps are still largely snowed shut at that point), so we mostly just went along the coast from Barcelona to Marseille, caught a ferry to Corsica and spent a few days tooling around the island. We did take a detour to the Pont du Gard and Mont Ventoux. We almost made it over the top of Ventoux despite the snowed closed road, but a bolted down barrier finally stopped us. Probably just as well, since I don't think we'd have enjoyed meeting whatevere it was that kept the one lane plowed if it were coming in the opposite direction. Amazing roads, great sights, perhaps not the friendliest people in the world on Corsica as a rule, but we got along OK. It was also exciting when we figured out that our ferry company was on strike, but we managed to get a ride out on another company's boat and make a hell ride back to Barcelona in time to turn in our bikes and get on our plane. I spoke to a Corsican friend later, and he had some great stories about various acquaintances and relatives killing bicyclists on roads in the area with their cars, since they were so used to being the only things on the road in the off season, taking blind corners in the wrong lane, etc. But hey, we survived. Highly recommended if you can swing it. As for the Alps, better get there while there are still a couple glaciers to see here and there. The Rhone Glacier, for example, is receding about as fast as a cruiser trying to go up Rt. 211 -- if you stare long enough you can almost see it moving. Anyway, pictures: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v218/trackpics/corsica%202005/?start=all Starting at 'CostaBrava.jpg' they're more or less in order. Not really recommended for those who may be on dial up, if any such still exist. Bonus points if anyone can tell me what this is, because I really need one: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v218/trackpics/corsica%202005/?action=view¤t=StrangeRenault1.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v218/trackpics/alps%202004/?start=all has pictures from the previous trip, mostly in the French Alps. I particularly like: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v218/trackpics/alps%202004/?action=view¤t=P1010446.jpg Take a look if you like! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 4 13:42:46 2006 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:42:43 -0400 From: David Blumgart To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Where's the VIN I'm considering buying a 1983 BMW R80 RT. I am having trouble finding the VIN plate on this bike. I've looked in the usual places (steering head, etc.) Anyone have any idea where to find it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 5 13:48:32 2006 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:47:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kipp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: VMax Hello DC-cycles riders/readers, I finalized my purchase of a extremly clean 1993 V-max this weekend. It is a truly gorgeous bike. I will give you more riding impressions when I get a chance to ride it! (must do the whole DMV maze first) Sorry I missed out on Pat O.'s '94 max, but I think I got a decent deal on my new bike. I've been reading that I'll need to replace the regulator/alternator if I want to ride for any distance/time and still be able to start the bike. Pat, do you know if this is true? Apparently, according to the owner and some, but not all, V-max owners, the alternator/regulator doesn't produce enough current to keep the battery charged over durations of more than 8 hours riding or 5 days of parking without use. That's seems like an exageration. I'm not going to plug in my bike every night, after all, it's gasoline powered, not an electric motorcycle! I will let you know what I discover, hopefully without the experience of getting stranded on a dark lane in the boondocks. Thanks to the couple of people who responded with thoughts about the V-max. If we every have a convenient DC-cycles get together, I'll let you all behold her majesty! Smirk, -Kipp. --- HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: > Wish you had said that before last week, when I sold my lo-mileage 1994 > to a > friend at cut-rate! > > The shaft drive offsets the rear wheel from the front by about 10mm > which > puts a fearsome shake in the beast at spots all across the tach and > speedo. > They vary by bike (and tire combo) but you'll find them, quick. To > address, > google up "Furber fix" from any number of sources. Replacing the > plastic > spacer between the forks with a piece of billet helps as well, look up > Hole Shot > Performance for this accy and many others for the VMax set. > > For instance, the kit that allows you to kick in the boost circuit > anywhere > in the RPM. Stock, it kicks in at 6000 RPM and it's like being pushed > by the > hand of God. If you're not ready for it, or if you hit it in a curve, > you > will have an interesting time hanging on. The kit also has a "defeat" > function for the boost, in low traction scenarios. > > Note the gas tank is under seat. And if like me, you wanted to replace > the > seat with a Corbin, make sure you don't have thick fingers and a fat > wrist > like me, because you will have to get all of that down the fairly small > hole in > the seat to relock the tank cap when you're done fueling. So if you do > go > Corbin, keep the stock seat around just in case, unlike me. > > Finally, don't go buy a CBR1100XX too, because then you'll never ride > the > VMax, at least not on anything that has curves. > > That's all I learned in five years of having one. > > PatO. > > > "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 5 16:36:21 2006 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:36:05 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: VMax > according to the owner and some, but not all, V-max owners, the > alternator/regulator doesn't produce enough current to keep the battery > charged over durations of more than 8 hours riding or 5 days of parking > without use. In that case, it would be less than 5 days if you use it. Quick and dirty test - get an accurate digital voltmeter (a Radio Shack cheapie will work nicely). Measure your battery voltage (at the terminals) with the ignition off - should be around 13.2 volts for a good battery - probably will be around 12.5. Start the bike and bring the revs up to operating range Measure the voltage again - should be 14+ volts. Ideally, it will be there at idle. If it is, your charging system is ahead of the current demand and ride the thing to California and back. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 7 08:16:32 2006 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:16:16 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike for sale 1991 Suzuki Bandit 400 5300 miles on odometer 3500 miles on engine Bike sat for a few years because the original motor smoked very badly. I just swapped a lower milage engine into the frame last weekend. It starts and runs, but needs some tuning and maybe a carb cleanout. Also, I didn't have any header gaskets when I swapped the engine (thought I did, but found out halfway into the job that I'd lost them,) so they will need replaced also. The rear brake pedal does nothing, so it probably needs a good bleeding. The front brake works very well. Tires are in good shape. All lights and signals work, but the brake light only comes on with the rear brake activation, not the front. It's possible the switch is just disconnected. I'll try to get outside to take pics later. It will come with the original motor and a spare set of electrics and carbs. It's currently locataed at my work in Chantilly, VA, and can be seen any time from 8am-6pm. I'll try to get outside to take pictures sometime today. $1600 for everything. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 7 09:05:57 2006 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:05:49 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike for sale - Pics posted Pics of the Bandit @ http://jordanmotorsports.smugmug.com/gallery/1536886 Original Post: 1991 Suzuki Bandit 400 5300 miles on odometer 3500 miles on engine Bike sat for a few years because the original motor smoked very badly. I just swapped a lower milage engine into the frame last weekend. It starts and runs, but needs some tuning and maybe a carb cleanout. Also, I didn't have any header gaskets when I swapped the engine (thought I did, but found out halfway into the job that I'd lost them,) so they will need replaced also. The rear brake pedal does nothing, so it probably needs a good bleeding. The front brake works very well. Tires are in good shape. All lights and signals work, but the brake light only comes on with the rear brake activation, not the front. It's possible the switch is just disconnected. I'll try to get outside to take pics later. It will come with the original motor and a spare set of electrics and carbs. It's currently locataed at my work in Chantilly, VA, and can be seen any time from 8am-6pm. I'll try to get outside to take pictures sometime today. $1600 for everything. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 Jordan Motorsports Photography 703-652-9357 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 7 11:28:48 2006 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kipp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] my 'new' V-max and it's charging system Thanks for the tip on checking out my V-max charging system. Performed your suggestion last evening, and my resuls were: about 12.5 volts from the battery when bike is off about 12.1 volts at battery terminals when bike is running at 3k rpm about 12.2 volts at battery terminals at 6k rpm So, sounds like I need a newer/better alternator/regulator. I've also read, on V-max Outlaw, that there is a 'crimp' connection that could use some soldering to improve charging voltage, but I can't imagine that simple fix will up my charging voltage by 2 volts, right? Thanks again for the tip on doing the simple voltage check M. Jordan. -Kipp. Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:36:05 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: VMax > according to the owner and some, but not all, V-max owners, the > alternator/regulator doesn't produce enough current to keep the battery > charged over durations of more than 8 hours riding or 5 days of parking > without use. In that case, it would be less than 5 days if you use it. Quick and dirty test - get an accurate digital voltmeter (a Radio Shack cheapie will work nicely). Measure your battery voltage (at the terminals) with the ignition off - should be around 13.2 volts for a good battery - probably will be around 12.5. Start the bike and bring the revs up to operating range Measure the voltage again - should be 14+ volts. Ideally, it will be there at idle. If it is, your charging system is ahead of the current demand and ride the thing to California and back. "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 7 13:30:10 2006 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] my 'new' V-max and it's charging system To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep with those voltages while running you ain't gonna make it far. Better figure out why its not charging properly. Glenn --- Kipp wrote: > Thanks for the tip on checking out my V-max charging > system. Performed > your suggestion last evening, and my resuls were: > > about 12.5 volts from the battery when bike is off > > about 12.1 volts at battery terminals when bike is > running at 3k rpm > > about 12.2 volts at battery terminals at 6k rpm > > So, sounds like I need a newer/better > alternator/regulator. I've also > read, on V-max Outlaw, that there is a 'crimp' > connection that could use > some soldering to improve charging voltage, but I > can't imagine that > simple fix will up my charging voltage by 2 volts, > right? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 8 08:56:37 2006 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:56:19 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: Dc-Cycles Cc: Kipp Subject: [dc-cycles] my 'new' V-max and it's charging system Glenn's Declarrd, "Yep with those voltages while running you ain't gonna make it far. Better figure out why its not charging properly." [Carl]: Your Clymer's or factory manual should have a paragraph on diagnosing the source of your ills. IIRC with my Honda V-4's you use a multimater to check continuity in the stator and polarity in the rectifier-regulator. I suspect it's similar in your Yamaha. There should also be internet support groups for this popular bike that can offer both decades of experience and inexpensive parts. At least SabMag.org does. Carl in Bethesda Four V-4's and a thumper From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 8 09:15:20 2006 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:15:12 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Custer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] my 'new' V-max and it's charging system Cc: Dc-Cycles , Kipp My view is to deploy Occam's Razor to this situation. Start with the obvious, least complicated explanation, which is battery. A motorcycle is a harsh environment for lead-acid batteries (or should I can them dead-acid batteries?). Pull the battery off the bike and put it on a charger. I've got an el cheapo 1-amp charger made for garden tractors. If the battery holds a charge from the charger, the battery is good and your charging system is under-performing and you move on to more exotic fixes. If it doesn't hold a charge, you've found the culprit. It also helps to make sure your battery connections are bright and shiny and corrosion-free. Deploy and little emery cloth and some elbow grease. That said, it's not unheard-of for a rectifier/regulator to go bad. I'm on my second R/R on the VFR. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 90 KLR On 6/8/06, Carl Custer wrote: > Glenn's Declarrd, "Yep with those voltages while running you ain't > gonna make it far. Better figure out why its not charging properly." > > [Carl]: Your Clymer's or factory manual should have a paragraph on > diagnosing the source of your ills. > IIRC with my Honda V-4's you use a multimater to check continuity in > the stator and polarity in the rectifier-regulator. I suspect it's > similar in your Yamaha. > > There should also be internet support groups for this popular bike > that can offer both decades of experience and inexpensive parts. At > least SabMag.org does. > > Carl in Bethesda > Four V-4's and a thumper > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 8 10:47:59 2006 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kipp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] free or reduced motorcycle parking in Rosslyn? Anyone know of bike parking near the intersection of Wilson Blvd. and Ft. Myer Dr. down in Rosslyn? It can be anywhere within 1/2 mile. The garages charge between $8 and $10 a day there, with no discount for a motorcycle rather than a car. Thanks, -Kipp. "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 8 11:19:52 2006 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] free or reduced motorcycle parking in Rosslyn? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kipp, I've always parked at 1000 Wilson (ABC building) and it was always free for bikes. Recently they have put up gates needing an access card but there is a way around it. When you enter the building from the road (the upper entrance closet to Lynn St) take a left before the gate and ride through the bicycle parking and you end up in the motorcycle parking. I've done this many time since the gate has been installed and never had any problems. The other option is I've noticed people parking under the steps at the intersection of Kent St and Wilson which is directly across the street from the ABC 7 building. Glenn --- Kipp wrote: > Anyone know of bike parking near the intersection of > Wilson Blvd. and Ft. > Myer Dr. down in Rosslyn? It can be anywhere within > 1/2 mile. The > garages charge between $8 and $10 a day there, with > no discount for a > motorcycle rather than a car. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 8 12:47:01 2006 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:46:48 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] free or reduced motorcycle parking in Rosslyn? Here's from my notes, though it's been a year or so since I parked there. Rosslyn, VA: Parking garages at 1000 or 1100 (the channel 7 buildings) or 1101 Wilson Blvd (next door to Chipotle). Free mc parking. Just ask the attendant where the MC parking is. No pass needed or anything. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) >Kipp, I've always parked at 1000 Wilson (ABC building) >and it was always free for bikes. Recently they have >put up gates needing an access card but there is a way >around it. When you enter the building from the road >(the upper entrance closet to Lynn St) take a left >before the gate and ride through the bicycle parking >and you end up in the motorcycle parking. I've done >this many time since the gate has been installed and >never had any problems. > >The other option is I've noticed people parking under >the steps at the intersection of Kent St and Wilson >which is directly across the street from the ABC 7 >building. > >Glenn > >--- Kipp wrote: > >> Anyone know of bike parking near the intersection of >> Wilson Blvd. and Ft. >> Myer Dr. down in Rosslyn? It can be anywhere within >> 1/2 mile. The >> garages charge between $8 and $10 a day there, with >> no discount for a >> motorcycle rather than a car. >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 8 13:17:19 2006 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] free or reduced motorcycle parking in Rosslyn? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That note was from me. Things have changed, 1101 (not 1100) has a gate that might be hard to get around. The parking at 1000 (there are two entrances) is the only option to skip the gate. Kipp, since I work in one of the buildings I'd be glad to show "the way", just shoot me an e-mail offline. Glenn --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Here's from my notes, though it's been a year or so > since I parked there. > > Rosslyn, VA: > Parking garages at 1000 or 1100 (the channel 7 > buildings) or 1101 Wilson Blvd (next door to > Chipotle). Free mc parking. Just ask the attendant > where the MC parking is. No pass needed or anything. > > > Chris > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: Glenn Dysart > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) > > >Kipp, I've always parked at 1000 Wilson (ABC > building) > >and it was always free for bikes. Recently they > have > >put up gates needing an access card but there is a > way > >around it. When you enter the building from the > road > >(the upper entrance closet to Lynn St) take a left > >before the gate and ride through the bicycle > parking > >and you end up in the motorcycle parking. I've > done > >this many time since the gate has been installed > and > >never had any problems. > > > >The other option is I've noticed people parking > under > >the steps at the intersection of Kent St and Wilson > >which is directly across the street from the ABC 7 > >building. > > > >Glenn > > > >--- Kipp wrote: > > > >> Anyone know of bike parking near the intersection > of > >> Wilson Blvd. and Ft. > >> Myer Dr. down in Rosslyn? It can be anywhere > within > >> 1/2 mile. The > >> garages charge between $8 and $10 a day there, > with > >> no discount for a > >> motorcycle rather than a car. > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 8 17:27:12 2006 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] free or reduced motorcycle parking in Rosslyn? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > That note was from me. Things have changed, 1101 (not > 1100) has a gate that might be hard to get around. yeah that was annoying to say the least. But a MC will still fit past the barriers and they guys just wave you on thru. the 'spot' is down the left side at the bottom of the ramp in the dusty corner. room for about 6 or so bikes. they probably have other places too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 8 21:03:42 2006 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:03:29 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] sale: VZ800 Marauder 2003 Suzuki VZ800 Marauder Like new condition. Never been down. No scratches or marks. New battery. Recent Virginia State Inspection. One owner, 287 original miles. Must see to appreciate. $3300 703-217-1679 or email chris01 [at] toward [dot] com Located in Falls Church, VA http://www.toward.com/Chris/VZ800/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 9 23:24:45 2006 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:24:31 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] wrenching... What are the advantages/disadvantages/relevant differences between 6-point wrenches and 12-point wrenches? Is there a reason I should prefer one over the other for purchase for (primarily) motorcycle/automotive work? Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 9 23:43:26 2006 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:46:00 -0400 To: "Aaron Maurer" , DCcycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wrenching... At 6/9/2006 11:24 PM, Aaron Maurer wrote: >What are the advantages/disadvantages/relevant differences between >6-point wrenches and 12-point wrenches? I am not a mechanic, but common sense would suggest a couple of things to consider: 1. 6 point will require you to swing the wrench farther between "bites" than the 12 point will. In cramped locations, this could be an issue. 2. 12 point puts less wrench on the nut or bolt than the 6 point does, since the "teeth" are shallower. This could lead to "rounding off" more easily with the 12 points. There may well be a cost difference too, but I don't know about that. -- Mike B. -- How to win at Indy, according to one driver who did: "Drive like hell, turn left a lot." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 9 23:59:26 2006 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:59:18 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wrenching... You will find some instances where you don't have enough range of motion for a 6 point wrench to turn a fastener without flipping the wrench over every time you reposition it.. Some 6-point wrenches are designed so that by flipping it over, you basically move the 'points' to the other six 'points' provided by the 12-point wrench. Of course, with an offset wrench, you don't always have room to make use of that feature... Snap-on dealers, FWIW, usually only carry 12-point combination wrenches... If you're using cheap wrenches, they'll both round off fasteners. YMMV. On 6/9/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > What are the advantages/disadvantages/relevant differences between > 6-point wrenches and 12-point wrenches? > > Is there a reason I should prefer one over the other for purchase for > (primarily) motorcycle/automotive work? -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 10 00:02:29 2006 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:02:21 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wrenching... You should look into flank-drive wrenches and sockets... These apply the force to the flat side of the fastner and not the corner, almost completely eliminating rounded nuts/bolts. On 6/9/06, Mike B. wrote: > 2. 12 point puts less wrench on the nut or bolt than the 6 point does, > since the "teeth" are shallower. This could lead to "rounding off" more > easily with the 12 points. -- -Thomas Jordan J&L Automotive 703-327-5239 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 10 00:28:17 2006 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:27:59 -0400 From: "Steve McCollom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wrenching... To: "Aaron Maurer" , "DCcycles" 12-point wrenches are designed to be beneficial in tight working spaces, since they provide double the number of "starting positions" for the wrench. The tradeoff is that the 12 points contact a smaller portion of the bolt head's surface, and thus are more likely to round off stuck (or already damaged) bolt heads. So 6-point is *almost* always better. HTH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "DCcycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] wrenching... > What are the advantages/disadvantages/relevant differences between > 6-point wrenches and 12-point wrenches? > > Is there a reason I should prefer one over the other for purchase for > (primarily) motorcycle/automotive work? > > Thanks, > > Aaron > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 10 07:21:42 2006 From: "Bruce N" To: "DCcycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wrenching... Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:21:20 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Most, if not all, mechanics will have 12-point wrenches and 6-point sockets. This gives the best of both worlds. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "DCcycles" Subject: SPAM: [dc-cycles] wrenching... > What are the advantages/disadvantages/relevant differences between > 6-point wrenches and 12-point wrenches? > > Is there a reason I should prefer one over the other for purchase for > (primarily) motorcycle/automotive work? > > Thanks, > > Aaron > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 6/8/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 10 09:53:23 2006 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:53:13 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Aaron Maurer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wrenching... Cc: DCcycles > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Maurer" > To: "DCcycles" > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:24 PM > Subject: SPAM: [dc-cycles] wrenching... > > > > What are the advantages/disadvantages/relevant differences between > > 6-point wrenches and 12-point wrenches? > > > > Is there a reason I should prefer one over the other for purchase for > > (primarily) motorcycle/automotive work? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Aaron > > All good advice. If I may add a couple things as a shade-tree mechanic with more than a few years and a few broken parts (at my own hands) under my belt. A 12-point wrench or socket will not automatically round off a stubborn fastener, but a cheap one is more likely to flex, spread out of spec., or get out of proper alignment and round it off. Make sure the "lever" that you're using to apply force to the fastener is always at 90-degrees to the axis of twist. Don't skimp on combination wrenches. A good one is a lifetime tool. Cheap ones are a waste of money (and your time). Use the smallest socket ratchet that will do the job. This is a lesson I've learned the hard way, by using a too-big 1/2" drive ratchet and breaking a fastener whereas a smaller 3/8" drive would have had better feel and have had the finesse I needed for the job. I find I need the 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive sockets for motorcycle work, in addition to combination wrenches and t-handles, to get into all those tight spots on the motorcycles. And last, but not least, do initial fastener installations by hand if at all possible, before driving them home with a tool. There's not a tool in the world that gives you the same feel as bare or gloved fingers to make sure you don't cross thread a fastener when it comes time to put things back together. -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 10 10:57:22 2006 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:57:14 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wrenching... 12 point wrenches are designed to be used with both hex head and square head fasteners. 6 point sockets (obviously) will only work with hex head fasteners -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 12 09:48:41 2006 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] First ride in a LONG time After 1.5 years since my wife (GF at the time) and I found out we were having a baby, we took the ZRX out. I've been riding daily, but she hasn't been on it since fall 04. This was a big step for us; to both get on the bike with an infant at home. But, I'm glad we did (I think she is too). On Saturday, we visited family camping at Loft Mtn. in Shenandoah NP. Took 29 out to Warrenton and picked up 211, up to the Drive, and down to Loft. There are quicker ways, but I wanted to ride Skyline Drive. Weather was cooler than expected, but fortunately we had the Givi tailcase packed full of warmer gear. Lots of bikes on the road on Saturday. Not nearly as many tourists as I expected. Considering the circumstances, I rode easier than I might otherwise, which was just fine by me and hopefully appreciated by the better half. But, we were able to notch up the speedo a little on the twisties of 211 and the Drive itself, probably averaged 40-50mph around the turns of both. Was pleasantly surprised how solid the bike was leaned over...guess the added weight of the two of us helped settle the suspension faster. DW did great, especially considering she hadn't been on the bike in so long. I think she even liked the turns a little :). Felt great to swing around the corners, the two of us leaned over in unison with the bike. Along the Drive, we stopped at Big Meadows for warming chili and coffee (me) and hot chocolate (her). Only saw two deer the whole way down, albeit much closer to us than I would've liked, but nothing too scary. Was hoping to be back home before dark, but we didn't leave Loft until 6pm. So, a pleasant dusk ride back up the Drive (a few more deer this time) and back down 211 (DW doesn't like downhill turns as much as uphill) to Warrenton where we stopped at Country Cookin for the $5.95 buffet. If you've never been here, stop in someday (on 211w off the 211/29 intersection). I'm guessing the food probably passes health inspection, but it tastes mighty good. But, the people...OMG...they really crawl out of the woodwork to visit Country Cookin. Anyways, night had fallen by the time we were done with dinner, but I enjoy riding at night, so no bother. Switched to the clear visor and carried on. Got back to Haymarket where my parents live and waited for them to get back from Loft and deliver us our baby. They had taken her with them up to Loft. Wife left the truck at their house to transport the baby in. Got back home shortly after midnight with tired smiles and sore butts, but happy nonetheless. Looking forward to the next time! - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 12 14:41:13 2006 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:41:01 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident I'm not a football fan, but I'm surprised the team allowed him to ride with no helmet. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/12/D8I6PL1O2.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 12 15:44:26 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:44:10 -0400 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" To: I just saw this on MSNBC apparently was riding a "Busa" from what the video/picture showed. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13279232/ Art -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident I'm not a football fan, but I'm surprised the team allowed him to ride with no helmet. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/12/D8I6PL1O2.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 12 15:59:02 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:58:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Apparently the driver at fault was driving a f*cking assault vehicle. They should be freakin' banned. A silver Chrysler New Yorker with ***damage to the front passenger fender*** was removed and Roethlisberger?s black bike was loaded onto a flatbed truck Eyeabuser or no eyeabuser... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E] [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident I just saw this on MSNBC apparently was riding a "Busa" from what the video/picture showed. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13279232/ Art -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident I'm not a football fan, but I'm surprised the team allowed him to ride with no helmet. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/12/D8I6PL1O2.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 12 16:55:26 2006 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I hope the numb-nuts decides to wear his freaking helmet every time out from now on. The Steelers might have started another round of their dynasty and R goes and tries to kill it. Some people... He wears a helmet playing football for pete's sake. I guess he wouldn't wear that unless it was required by the game's rules. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 12 19:02:25 2006 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:02:17 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident On 6/12/06, matthew patton wrote: > I hope the numb-nuts decides to wear his freaking helmet every time out > from now on. The Steelers might have started another round of their > dynasty and R goes and tries to kill it. Some people... > > He wears a helmet playing football for pete's sake. I guess he wouldn't > wear that unless it was required by the game's rules. Yeah, blows the mind. Here is a blurb from the 'Busa board: "62-yo woman left turned in front of him. Reports say he was given the bike as part of a promotional deal for doing some appearances for Suzuki. List of injuries include: "lost most of his teeth, fractured his left sinus cavity bone, suffered a nine-inch laceration to the back of his head and a broken jaw, and injured both of his knees when he hit the ground"." Most, if not all, of his injuries could have been prevented by wearing gear :-( -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 12 19:31:48 2006 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:31:28 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question I'm in the market for new gear and have found that Vanson fits my 'fit' build. I want to buy a jacket/pant combo, but I'm not sure if I can still use them for track days or drag racing because they don't have a 360 zipper, just their 3 piece attachment system. Does anyone know if this works for most track days and/or NHRA legality (I have only done 2 track days, I usually just drag race) :-) ? Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 09:18:08 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:16:24 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Wayne, It depends on the organization. Most track days allow you to have two piece leathers as long as they have a 3 piece attachment system. For NESBA beginner and intermediate class can wear these. It is part of passing tech inspection. I am not sure about the Advanced Class. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question I'm in the market for new gear and have found that Vanson fits my 'fit' build. I want to buy a jacket/pant combo, but I'm not sure if I can still use them for track days or drag racing because they don't have a 360 zipper, just their 3 piece attachment system. Does anyone know if this works for most track days and/or NHRA legality (I have only done 2 track days, I usually just drag race) :-) ? Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 09:27:24 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:27:00 -0400 From: Rich Westbrook Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm living in Pittsburgh now and this is the only thing on the news. The flame wars are raging on TV about helmet laws and motorcycles in general. He had 7 hours of surgery on his face yesterday. Its all over the Pittsburgh Post Gazette if anyone cares to read more about it. http://www.post-gazette.com/ Apparently Ben is pretty well known for riding around town with no helmet, and an iPod waving to fans. -Rich On Jun 12, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On 6/12/06, matthew patton wrote: >> I hope the numb-nuts decides to wear his freaking helmet every time >> out >> from now on. The Steelers might have started another round of their >> dynasty and R goes and tries to kill it. Some people... >> >> He wears a helmet playing football for pete's sake. I guess he >> wouldn't >> wear that unless it was required by the game's rules. > > Yeah, blows the mind. Here is a blurb from the 'Busa board: > > "62-yo woman left turned in front of him. Reports say he was given > the bike as part of a promotional deal for doing some appearances for > Suzuki. List of injuries include: "lost most of his teeth, fractured > his left sinus cavity bone, suffered a nine-inch laceration to the > back of his head and a broken jaw, and injured both of his knees when > he hit the ground"." > > Most, if not all, of his injuries could have been prevented by wearing > gear :-( > > -- Wayne > richard h. westbrook 866.494.2500 | 202.470.0000 x 502 EmoryDay | www.emoryday.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 09:35:41 2006 From: "Bruce N" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:34:56 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Wayne, I've never heard of a "3 piece attachment system". Could you please describe it? I would definitely recommend a full zipper if you're thinking about doing any type of track event. If you go down and slide a little 9" zipper is not going to keep your jacket from riding up and exposing your abdomen. From the NESBA 2006 Riders' Manual located at http://www.nesba.com/Info/downloads/manual.pdf "Leather or textile riding suits (i.e., Cordura, Kevlar, or Aerostich-type). No textile suits will be allowed in the Advanced class. Two-piece suits must zip together; FULL CIRCUMFERENCE IS REQUIRED. Airmesh-style suits (where you can see your skin thrugh them) are NOT permitted." Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question > I'm in the market for new gear and have found that Vanson fits my > 'fit' build. I want to buy a jacket/pant combo, but I'm not sure if I > can still use them for track days or drag racing because they don't > have a 360 zipper, just their 3 piece attachment system. > > Does anyone know if this works for most track days and/or NHRA > legality (I have only done 2 track days, I usually just drag race) > :-) ? > > Thanks! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 09:38:21 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:38:08 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Bruce N" , "Wayne Edelen" , 3-piece attachment system is: - a zipper joining the rear of the pants to the back of the jacket - one zipper on each front side that zips the jacket to the front of the pants - 3 zippers are considered full circumference Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] To: Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question Wayne, I've never heard of a "3 piece attachment system". Could you please describe it? I would definitely recommend a full zipper if you're thinking about doing any type of track event. If you go down and slide a little 9" zipper is not going to keep your jacket from riding up and exposing your abdomen. From the NESBA 2006 Riders' Manual located at http://www.nesba.com/Info/downloads/manual.pdf "Leather or textile riding suits (i.e., Cordura, Kevlar, or Aerostich-type). No textile suits will be allowed in the Advanced class. Two-piece suits must zip together; FULL CIRCUMFERENCE IS REQUIRED. Airmesh-style suits (where you can see your skin thrugh them) are NOT permitted." Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question > I'm in the market for new gear and have found that Vanson fits my > 'fit' build. I want to buy a jacket/pant combo, but I'm not sure if I > can still use them for track days or drag racing because they don't > have a 360 zipper, just their 3 piece attachment system. > > Does anyone know if this works for most track days and/or NHRA > legality (I have only done 2 track days, I usually just drag race) > :-) ? > > Thanks! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 09:41:17 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:41:05 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" , "Bruce N" , "Wayne Edelen" , FYI. I slid across the track in a Vanson leather jacket, pants combo attached by the three zip system. Everything remained in place. I had a friction rash on one elbow from contact between the pad and my elbow. That was it. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] To: Bruce N; Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question 3-piece attachment system is: - a zipper joining the rear of the pants to the back of the jacket - one zipper on each front side that zips the jacket to the front of the pants - 3 zippers are considered full circumference Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] To: Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question Wayne, I've never heard of a "3 piece attachment system". Could you please describe it? I would definitely recommend a full zipper if you're thinking about doing any type of track event. If you go down and slide a little 9" zipper is not going to keep your jacket from riding up and exposing your abdomen. From the NESBA 2006 Riders' Manual located at http://www.nesba.com/Info/downloads/manual.pdf "Leather or textile riding suits (i.e., Cordura, Kevlar, or Aerostich-type). No textile suits will be allowed in the Advanced class. Two-piece suits must zip together; FULL CIRCUMFERENCE IS REQUIRED. Airmesh-style suits (where you can see your skin thrugh them) are NOT permitted." Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question > I'm in the market for new gear and have found that Vanson fits my > 'fit' build. I want to buy a jacket/pant combo, but I'm not sure if I > can still use them for track days or drag racing because they don't > have a 360 zipper, just their 3 piece attachment system. > > Does anyone know if this works for most track days and/or NHRA > legality (I have only done 2 track days, I usually just drag race) > :-) ? > > Thanks! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 09:43:40 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:43:29 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question On 6/13/06, Bruce N wrote: > Wayne, I've never heard of a "3 piece attachment system". Could you please > describe it? > > I would definitely recommend a full zipper if you're thinking about doing > any type of track event. If you go down and slide a little 9" zipper is not > going to keep your jacket from riding up and exposing your abdomen. Vanson has 3 zippers on their jackets/pants. 2 ~6" zippers in the front (one on each side) and one long zipper in the rear. This would prevent the jacket from riding up and exposing your skin in a fall. Thanks for the link. I'm going to keep looking around. Worst case, I get the off the rack Vanson stuff and have a full zipper installed. Possibly cheaper than a full custom setup. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 09:49:57 2006 From: "Bruce N" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:49:29 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX That 3 zipper system sounds cool and should keep the belly safe. Mine sticks out and needs all the protection it can get! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question > On 6/13/06, Bruce N wrote: >> Wayne, I've never heard of a "3 piece attachment system". Could you >> please >> describe it? >> >> I would definitely recommend a full zipper if you're thinking about doing >> any type of track event. If you go down and slide a little 9" zipper is >> not >> going to keep your jacket from riding up and exposing your abdomen. > > > Vanson has 3 zippers on their jackets/pants. 2 ~6" zippers in the > front (one on each side) and one long zipper in the rear. This would > prevent the jacket from riding up and exposing your skin in a fall. > > Thanks for the link. I'm going to keep looking around. Worst case, I > get the off the rack Vanson stuff and have a full zipper installed. > Possibly cheaper than a full custom setup. > > -- Wayne > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 6/12/2006 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 10:41:17 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:45:05 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident matthew patton wrote: > > He wears a helmet playing football for pete's sake. I guess he wouldn't > wear that unless it was required by the game's rules. > Although I am an avid believer in helmets, and even though Delaware has a dumb helmet law (you don't have to wear it, but it has to be on the bike with you), I still wear my helmet all the time. That being said, it's his choice whether he wants to wear his helmet or not. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own safety...if he didn't want to wear it, that's his perogative. His team should have specified in his contract that if he's going to ride, he has to wear one or that he can't ride at all. If he wants to make the dumb choice (as I see it) to not wear a helmet, that's his choice. Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 10:52:12 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:51:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Laura Roach >Date: Tue Jun 13 09:45:05 CDT 2006 >To: matthew patton >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >matthew patton wrote: >> >> He wears a helmet playing football for pete's sake. I guess he wouldn't >> wear that unless it was required by the game's rules. >> > >Although I am an avid believer in helmets, and even though Delaware has >a dumb helmet law (you don't have to wear it, but it has to be on the >bike with you), I still wear my helmet all the time. > >That being said, it's his choice whether he wants to wear his helmet or >not. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own safety...if he >didn't want to wear it, that's his perogative. His team should have >specified in his contract that if he's going to ride, he has to wear one >or that he can't ride at all. If he wants to make the dumb choice (as I >see it) to not wear a helmet, that's his choice. > >Laura true, but I wouldn't want to be his agent or trainer. Instant unemployment if he turns into a turnip. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 10:58:19 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Schmidt Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left (illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any responsibility for this situation. No charges have been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the fact that he was (legally) helmetless. If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: Laura Roach > >Date: Tue Jun 13 09:45:05 CDT 2006 > >To: matthew patton > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC > accident > > >matthew patton wrote: > >> > >> He wears a helmet playing football for pete's > sake. I guess he wouldn't > >> wear that unless it was required by the game's > rules. > >> > > > >Although I am an avid believer in helmets, and even > though Delaware has > >a dumb helmet law (you don't have to wear it, but > it has to be on the > >bike with you), I still wear my helmet all the > time. > > > >That being said, it's his choice whether he wants > to wear his helmet or > >not. Everyone has to take responsibility for their > own safety...if he > >didn't want to wear it, that's his perogative. His > team should have > >specified in his contract that if he's going to > ride, he has to wear one > >or that he can't ride at all. If he wants to make > the dumb choice (as I > >see it) to not wear a helmet, that's his choice. > > > >Laura > > > true, but I wouldn't want to be his agent or > trainer. Instant unemployment if he turns into a > turnip. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:09:15 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:09:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Jeff Schmidt >Date: Tue Jun 13 09:58:07 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left >(illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any >responsibility for this situation. No charges have >been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the >fact that he was (legally) helmetless. > >If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. > > ..from NBC4 news... "Police said Roethlisberger wasn't wearing a helmet when his bike hit a car traveling in the opposite direction, which is perfectly legal in Pennsylvania." OK..just WHEN did it suddenly become legal for cars to travel in the *opposite* direction???? How come I didn't get the memo???!!??? No WONDER we got cars hitting motorcycles! That's the problem right there! If everyone was driving IN THE SAME DIRECTION, we could COMPLETELY ELIMINATE intersections and DOUBLE the lanes we use! Jeez..do I have to do ALL THE THINKING around here? feh... -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:09:59 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:09:43 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Jeff Schmidt wrote: > For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left > (illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any > responsibility for this situation. No charges have > been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the > fact that he was (legally) helmetless. > > If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. > > > Uh? He likes not to wear a helmet.... I was gonna happen to the dumbass sometime. 99% of his injuries would have been prevented - had he had a helmet on... I have no problem with states/people who don't wear helmets - its your problem if you are damaged because of your own stupidity. Just don't say "... I'm a safe rider... it won't happen to me..." ( something close to what Big (dumb) Ben said about riding without a helmet ). Tom de '03 St1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:15:39 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Personally, if a moron wants to risk this very thing happening to him/her by not wearing gear, let them. BUT...when that person (ie athlete) is put on a pedestal and seen by a great many people, especially young people, as a role model - then both the athlete and their managers/employers should...must IMO...make every attempt to provide a good role model image. Far fetched with today's Holier-Than-Thou athletes and celebrities, I know, but one can still wish. At least the coverage this is getting will raise awareness of proper safety gear (though I doubt ANYONE will publish that a simple full faced helmet would've made a world of differnce). The bad part for the rest of us is that now the anti-bike crowd has celebrity ammunition. I feel bad for the guy, having the world going great for him, now really screwed up (no teeth!) - and the part that will probably haunt him the most is that if he'd simply worn a full faced helmet, he would've spared much of his lifelong agony and deformity. - Jimmy --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > true, but I wouldn't want to be his agent or trainer. Instant > unemployment if he turns into a turnip. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:17:59 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:17:45 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Ok, I'm a dumbass too. The internet mail crap was me clicking thunderbird's "show every-damn-thing in the message" button. And, I'm not gonna happen to Big dumb Ben,"it" was gonna happen to him ... Tom de '03 ST1300 De Boeser, Tom wrote: > Jeff Schmidt wrote: > >> For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left >> (illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any >> responsibility for this situation. No charges have >> been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the >> fact that he was (legally) helmetless. >> If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. >> >> > > Uh? He likes not to wear a helmet.... I was gonna happen to the > dumbass sometime. 99% of his injuries would have been prevented - had > he had a helmet on... > I have no problem with states/people who don't wear helmets - its your > problem if you are damaged because of your own stupidity. Just don't > say "... I'm a safe rider... it won't happen to me..." ( something > close to what Big (dumb) Ben said about riding without a helmet ). > Tom de > '03 St1300 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:19:34 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Many sports contracts, especially in the European soccer leagues, forbid activities such as skiing, motorcycle riding, etc. I guess his contract did not have this clause. It should have, since his performance has significant impact on others. My prediction is that he will be doing PSAs for helmets next year. No teeth? Damm --- James O'Connor wrote: > Personally, if a moron wants to risk this very thing > happening to > him/her by not wearing gear, let them. BUT...when > that person (ie > athlete) is put on a pedestal and seen by a great > many people, > especially young people, as a role model - then both > the athlete and > their managers/employers should...must IMO...make > every attempt to > provide a good role model image. Far fetched with > today's > Holier-Than-Thou athletes and celebrities, I know, > but one can still > wish. > > At least the coverage this is getting will raise > awareness of proper > safety gear (though I doubt ANYONE will publish that > a simple full > faced helmet would've made a world of differnce). > The bad part for > the rest of us is that now the anti-bike crowd has > celebrity > ammunition. > > I feel bad for the guy, having the world going great > for him, now > really screwed up (no teeth!) - and the part that > will probably haunt > him the most is that if he'd simply worn a full > faced helmet, he > would've spared much of his lifelong agony and > deformity. > > - Jimmy > > --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > true, but I wouldn't want to be his agent or > trainer. Instant > > unemployment if he turns into a turnip. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:23:17 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX "If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news." Maybe so. But, if this fool had been wearing a helmet, it wouldn't have been news either - at least not nearly like it is now. Accidents happen - car, truck, bike, plane, boat, whatever. People make mistakes. Yeah, if this woman did something to cause the accident, then she should be charged...I'm sure the AMA will be all over this. But, had fool simply made the conscious decison to wear a "proper" helmet...(repeat from above). - Jimmy --- Jeff Schmidt wrote: > For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left > (illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any > responsibility for this situation. No charges have > been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the > fact that he was (legally) helmetless. > > If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:26:29 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:26:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: James O'Connor >Date: Tue Jun 13 10:15:24 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >Personally, if a moron wants to risk this very thing happening to >him/her by not wearing gear, let them. BUT...when that person (ie >athlete) is put on a pedestal and seen by a great many people, >especially young people, as a role model - then both the athlete and >their managers/employers should...must IMO...make every attempt to >provide a good role model image. Far fetched with today's >Holier-Than-Thou athletes and celebrities, I know, but one can still >wish. > ..ironically, I seriously doubt he would of argued the fact that he should wear a helmet on the field. I mean, it's SO dangerous running into another hard head. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:28:47 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:28:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Mark Kitchell >Date: Tue Jun 13 10:19:20 CDT 2006 >To: James O'Connor , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >Many sports contracts, especially in the European >soccer leagues, forbid activities such as skiing, >motorcycle riding, etc. I guess his contract did not >have this clause. It should have, since his >performance has significant impact on others. > >My prediction is that he will be doing PSAs for >helmets next year. No teeth? Damm > well..I'm willing to bet that many NFL teams will now require all new contracts to contain that clause. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:31:38 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident I wonder if we would be conducting this much handwringing if Ben had rolled his Escalade and received the same injuries... If we're going to armchair quarterback the Steelers quarterback's contract, then I say it should also contain a no driving, riding in, or pimping with an SUV. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] To: 'James O'Connor', dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Many sports contracts, especially in the European soccer leagues, forbid activities such as skiing, motorcycle riding, etc. I guess his contract did not have this clause. It should have, since his performance has significant impact on others. My prediction is that he will be doing PSAs for helmets next year. No teeth? Damm --- James O'Connor wrote: > Personally, if a moron wants to risk this very thing > happening to > him/her by not wearing gear, let them. BUT...when > that person (ie > athlete) is put on a pedestal and seen by a great > many people, > especially young people, as a role model - then both > the athlete and > their managers/employers should...must IMO...make > every attempt to > provide a good role model image. Far fetched with > today's > Holier-Than-Thou athletes and celebrities, I know, > but one can still > wish. > > At least the coverage this is getting will raise > awareness of proper > safety gear (though I doubt ANYONE will publish that > a simple full > faced helmet would've made a world of differnce). > The bad part for > the rest of us is that now the anti-bike crowd has > celebrity > ammunition. > > I feel bad for the guy, having the world going great > for him, now > really screwed up (no teeth!) - and the part that > will probably haunt > him the most is that if he'd simply worn a full > faced helmet, he > would've spared much of his lifelong agony and > deformity. > > - Jimmy > > --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > true, but I wouldn't want to be his agent or > trainer. Instant > > unemployment if he turns into a turnip. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:33:44 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:33:28 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: adamme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO I think they meant that the not wearing a helmet is perfectly legal. lol Scooter -----Original Message----- From: adamme@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >From: Jeff Schmidt >Date: Tue Jun 13 09:58:07 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left >(illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any >responsibility for this situation. No charges have >been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the >fact that he was (legally) helmetless. > >If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. > > ..from NBC4 news... "Police said Roethlisberger wasn't wearing a helmet when his bike hit a car traveling in the opposite direction, which is perfectly legal in Pennsylvania." OK..just WHEN did it suddenly become legal for cars to travel in the *opposite* direction???? How come I didn't get the memo???!!??? No WONDER we got cars hitting motorcycles! That's the problem right there! If everyone was driving IN THE SAME DIRECTION, we could COMPLETELY ELIMINATE intersections and DOUBLE the lanes we use! Jeez..do I have to do ALL THE THINKING around here? feh... -aki ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:42:42 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:42:33 -0400 From: Rich Westbrook Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Don't worry after Ben turns out to be ok there will be a posse with pitch-forks and torches to run this lady out of town. Prison time will actually be a vacation for her. On Jun 13, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Jeff Schmidt wrote: > For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left > (illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any > responsibility for this situation. No charges have > been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the > fact that he was (legally) helmetless. > > If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. > > --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >>> From: Laura Roach >>> Date: Tue Jun 13 09:45:05 CDT 2006 >>> To: matthew patton >>> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC >> accident >> >>> matthew patton wrote: >>>> >>>> He wears a helmet playing football for pete's >> sake. I guess he wouldn't >>>> wear that unless it was required by the game's >> rules. >>>> >>> >>> Although I am an avid believer in helmets, and even >> though Delaware has >>> a dumb helmet law (you don't have to wear it, but >> it has to be on the >>> bike with you), I still wear my helmet all the >> time. >>> >>> That being said, it's his choice whether he wants >> to wear his helmet or >>> not. Everyone has to take responsibility for their >> own safety...if he >>> didn't want to wear it, that's his perogative. His >> team should have >>> specified in his contract that if he's going to >> ride, he has to wear one >>> or that he can't ride at all. If he wants to make >> the dumb choice (as I >>> see it) to not wear a helmet, that's his choice. >>> >>> Laura >> >> >> true, but I wouldn't want to be his agent or >> trainer. Instant unemployment if he turns into a >> turnip. >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:44:32 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:45:02 -0400 To: "De Boeser, Tom" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 6/13/2006 11:09 AM, De Boeser, Tom wrote: >Jeff Schmidt wrote: > >>For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left >>(illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any >>responsibility for this situation. No charges have >>been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the >>fact that he was (legally) helmetless. >> >>If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. >> >> >> > >Uh? He likes not to wear a helmet.... I was gonna happen to the dumbass >sometime. 99% of his injuries would have been prevented - had he had a >helmet on... True...and all of them would have been had he been driving a Hummer. Level of risk tolerance varies. There are folks who would call us dumbasses for riding on two wheels with every bit as much justification as you have for your comments about riding helmetless. The consequences are his to suffer through, so the decision should be his too...as it was. The "nanny state" is a bigger problem than a few more faceless masses. Personally I always wear a helmet, even when in places where leaving it off is legal (PA and DE for instance). If I'm going to be doing much interstate riding, I wear the full-face. Otherwise I've come to like my 3/4 with the face shield...it's convenient (can put on while wearing the sun glasses and flip up to talk to folks), and the design results in far less head buffeting than I'd get without any or with the full or half-helmets I own. If I ever get an intercom, it will accommodate it better than the other two types as well. >I have no problem with states/people who don't wear helmets - its your >problem if you are damaged because of your own stupidity. Just don't say >"... I'm a safe rider... it won't happen to me..." ( something close to >what Big (dumb) Ben said about riding without a helmet ). On this we agree. Anyone who can predict events like that accurately should just make a few hundred billion in stocks and buy their own town to ride in all by themselves. -- Mike B. -- Sacred cows make *divine* hamburgers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 11:52:05 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Aside from the fact they don't get the best fuel milage and are larger than many people need - What's wrong with an SUV? - Jimmy --- Dave Yates wrote: > I wonder if we would be conducting this much handwringing if Ben > had rolled his Escalade and received the same injuries... > > If we're going to armchair quarterback the Steelers quarterback's > contract, then I say it should also contain a no driving, riding > in, or pimping with an SUV. > > Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 12:07:15 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:04:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX actually, I think, if you read carefully, they meant that hitting a bike traveling in the opposite direction is perfectly legal in the state of PA. Huh..who'd a thunk? -aki ;-) >From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX >Date: Tue Jun 13 10:33:28 CDT 2006 >To: adamme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >I think they meant that the not wearing a helmet is perfectly legal. >lol > >Scooter > >-----Original Message----- >From: adamme@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Sent: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:09:07 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident > >>From: Jeff Schmidt >>Date: Tue Jun 13 09:58:07 CDT 2006 >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident > >>For some reason the 62 year old woman that turned left >>(illegally) in front of Big Ben has escaped any >>responsibility for this situation. No charges have >>been filed against her, and all of the focus is on the >>fact that he was (legally) helmetless. >> >>If she had not erred, this wouldn't be news. >> >> > >..from NBC4 news... > >"Police said Roethlisberger wasn't wearing a helmet when his bike hit a >car >traveling in the opposite direction, which is perfectly legal in >Pennsylvania." > >OK..just WHEN did it suddenly become legal for cars to >travel in the *opposite* direction???? How come >I didn't get the memo???!!??? No WONDER we got cars >hitting motorcycles! That's the problem right there! If everyone was >driving >IN THE SAME DIRECTION, we could COMPLETELY ELIMINATE intersections and >DOUBLE >the lanes we use! > >Jeez..do I have to do ALL THE THINKING around here? > > > >feh... > >-aki > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email >and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 12:08:13 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Comments: In-reply-to "James O'Connor" message dated "Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:15:24 -0700." Content-ID: <30203.1150214887.1@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:08:07 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >... BUT...when that person (ie >athlete) is put on a pedestal and seen by a great many people, >especially young people, as a role model... I think Ben just inadvertently made himself a great role model by counter-example. What we really need now is some press photos of him looking all toothless and ugly, and maybe we'd raise a new generation of riders in full-face helmets for whom Roethlisberger is a joke. Of course, the lady who got him had Maine plates, a Patriots fan? Was she acting alone? Of course, as we all know, if Ben had been wearing a full-face helmet it would have just broken his neck any way, so it's a good thing he didn't have one of them death hats on. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 12:13:44 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:13:29 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "Mike B." Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Mike B. wrote: > At 6/13/2006 11:09 AM, De Boeser, Tom wrote: >> > > True...and all of them would have been had he been driving a Hummer. > Level of risk tolerance varies. There are folks who would call us > dumbasses for riding on two wheels with every bit as much > justification as you have for your comments about riding helmetless. > The consequences are his to suffer through, so the decision should be > his too...as it was. The "nanny state" is a bigger problem than a few > more faceless masses. > > Personally I always wear a helmet, even when in places where leaving > it off is legal (PA and DE for instance). If I'm going to be doing > much interstate riding, I wear the full-face. Otherwise I've come to > like my 3/4 with the face shield...it's convenient (can put on while > wearing the sun glasses and flip up to talk to folks), and the design > results in far less head buffeting than I'd get without any or with > the full or half-helmets I own. If I ever get an intercom, it will > accommodate it better than the other two types as well. And the if we did all drive Hummers, then those of us who would wear helmet would wear a seatbelt. I'm not saying what we do isn't dangerous. But there are some basic things we have and do for safety. We wear shoes to protect our feet when walking, sunglasses for our eyes against the sun, FOOTBALL helmets when we play football... opps... :P > >> I have no problem with states/people who don't wear helmets - its >> your problem if you are damaged because of your own stupidity. Just >> don't say "... I'm a safe rider... it won't happen to me..." ( >> something close to what Big (dumb) Ben said about riding without a >> helmet ). > > On this we agree. Anyone who can predict events like that accurately > should just make a few hundred billion in stocks and buy their own > town to ride in all by themselves. > > -- Mike B. Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 12:38:38 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:38:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Harry Mantakos >Date: Tue Jun 13 11:08:07 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >Of course, the lady who got him had Maine plates, a Patriots fan? >Was she acting alone? > ..of course not. In the background there's that pesky grassy knoll. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 12:49:37 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:49:25 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mike B." omni@XXXXXX > At 6/13/2006 11:09 AM, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > > Level > of risk tolerance varies. There are folks who would call us dumbasses for > riding on two wheels with every bit as much justification as you have for > your comments about riding helmetless. The consequences are his to suffer > through, so the decision should be his too...as it was. The "nanny state" > is a bigger problem than a few more faceless masses. Allow me to second that. John. > Sacred cows make *divine* hamburgers. And I love that one! (may have to steal it #:-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 13:05:18 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:05:10 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident SUV's are generally bigger and heavier than cars and even some light trucks. Accordingly in a collision with one those in lighter vehicles tend to suffer fatal injuries more often than a collision with a vehicle of similar weight. They also roll over more easily than cars and although rollovers aren't a high percentage of accidents, those that occur have significantly more fatalities. Sort of like helmetless riders tend to suffer more severe injuries than helmeted riders in the event they collide with another vehicle. At this point Ben has a track record we can look back to so it's not unreasonable to extrapolate that if he'll screw up by riding a bike helmetless, he'd also be likely to roll over an SUV, and probalby yak on the cell while driving. So if we're renegotiating Ben's contract to require helmets, we need to add clauses preventing use of SUV's and cell phones too. It's only common sense. ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: 'Dave Yates', dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Aside from the fact they don't get the best fuel milage and are larger than many people need - What's wrong with an SUV? - Jimmy --- Dave Yates wrote: > I wonder if we would be conducting this much handwringing if Ben > had rolled his Escalade and received the same injuries... > > If we're going to armchair quarterback the Steelers quarterback's > contract, then I say it should also contain a no driving, riding > in, or pimping with an SUV. > > Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 13:23:14 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:23:06 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: "Wayne Edelen" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Track junkies and such - Vanson leather question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 6/13/06, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Vanson has 3 zippers on their jackets/pants. 2 ~6" zippers in the > front (one on each side) and one long zipper in the rear. This would > prevent the jacket from riding up and exposing your skin in a fall. > > Thanks for the link. I'm going to keep looking around. Worst case, I > get the off the rack Vanson stuff and have a full zipper installed. > Possibly cheaper than a full custom setup. Why not just go custom? At newenough.com Vanson off the rack pants and jacket will run you around $1100 -- expensive enough that it will probably be a wash. Your options vs custom are fewer and the fit, even if good, is not what you should get out of a custom suit. Plus, a real full circumference zipper. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 13:28:28 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:28:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 11:45 AM 6/13/2006, Mike B. wrote: >Personally I always wear a helmet, even when in places where leaving it >off is legal (PA and DE for instance). If I'm going to be doing much >interstate riding, I wear the full-face. Otherwise I've come to like my >3/4 with the face shield...it's convenient (can put on while wearing the >sun glasses and flip up to talk to folks), and the design results in far >less head buffeting than I'd get without any or with the full or >half-helmets I own. If I ever get an intercom, it will accommodate it >better than the other two types as well. Ever try a flip-face, Mike? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 13:50:54 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:50:47 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 6/13/06, Dave Yates wrote: > SUV's are generally bigger and heavier than cars and even some light trucks. Accordingly in a collision with one those in lighter vehicles tend to suffer fatal injuries more often than a collision with a vehicle of similar weight. > They also roll over more easily than cars and although rollovers aren't a high percentage of accidents, those that occur have significantly more fatalities. And their bumpers/grills are at roughly chest height on someone driving a car, largely bypassing the crash structures in the car and massively increasing the chances of internal organ injury to the other driver. And their headlights are equally high off the ground, leading to dangerous glare at night for other drivers. And they are still often built on truck frames which don't absorb crash energy well, not only increasing likelihood of injury to other drivers but also to their own occupants. They have lousy side visibility so their drivers often completely fail to notice the lower cars around them, while at the same time they blot out all view of what's down the road for drivers behind them. There are not very many status symbols that tell people you don't care if you kill or inconvenience them than an SUV. They're also universally driven by cell phone yakking asshats if my commute is anything to judge by. An SUV is more or less the equivalent of what I would have if I mounted a snowplow on the front of my car and welded up a bunch of stakes to its roof pointing outward at SUV-passenger-head-height. I guess there's a time and a place for both, but gridlock on 66 is probably not it. Or maybe it is? Stay tuned for pictures of my new battlewagon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 13:51:49 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:51:41 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Michael Jordan, USA, "Riding the Alps - what do you need, and why go?" I'm eyeballing the weather south of here to see what Alberto may or may not do to the: Assuming they're not filled, anyone else going? * Iron Horse Motorcycle Lodge, Cabins and Campground 1755 Lower Stecoah Road, Robbinsville North Carolina 28771 Carl in Bethesda *Of course #1 wife may decide that it'd be a great honor for me to smoke a brisket for Father's Day. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 14:14:52 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:09:55 -0400 To: penguinbiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 6/13/2006 12:49 PM, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "Mike B." omni@XXXXXX > > > At 6/13/2006 11:09 AM, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > > > > Level > > of risk tolerance varies. There are folks who would call us dumbasses for > > riding on two wheels with every bit as much justification as you have for > > your comments about riding helmetless. The consequences are his to suffer > > through, so the decision should be his too...as it was. The "nanny state" > > is a bigger problem than a few more faceless masses. > >Allow me to second that. And me to point out, lest there be any confusion, that *I* wrote that, not Tom. I know you included both attributions, but you cut all of Tom's text, and not everyone reads all that carefully...or maybe their full-face Infobahn helmets just reduce their vision too much... ;-) > > Sacred cows make *divine* hamburgers. > >And I love that one! (may have to steal it #:-) Go for it! I did! ;-) -- Mike B. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 14:14:59 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:16:30 -0400 To: Larry Larson , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 6/13/2006 01:26 PM, Larry Larson wrote: >At 11:45 AM 6/13/2006, Mike B. wrote: > >>Personally I always wear a helmet, even when in places where leaving it >>off is legal (PA and DE for instance). If I'm going to be doing much >>interstate riding, I wear the full-face. Otherwise I've come to like my >>3/4 with the face shield...it's convenient (can put on while wearing the >>sun glasses and flip up to talk to folks), and the design results in far >>less head buffeting than I'd get without any or with the full or >>half-helmets I own. If I ever get an intercom, it will accommodate it >>better than the other two types as well. > >Ever try a flip-face, Mike? Yes...it didn't fit. The chin bar was just under my nose, and my chin was out the bottom. If they really catch on, perhaps this issue will be taken care of eventually with more models for more head shapes and sizes, but last I checked into it, they didn't fit me. Another issue is that none were Snell-approved...and I don't trust the D.O.T. to approve much of anything without backup. -- Mike B. -- I was sad because I had no shoes, then I met a man who had no feet. So I said, "Got any shoes you don't need?" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 14:34:43 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow, I didn't realize we had such an anti-SUV crowd on the list. Well, as soon as an auto manufacturer builds a vehicle that can tow a trailer, navigate tough off-pavement trails, seat 4/5 people, and keep cargo dry - all at the same time - without being a nemesis to small car/motorcycle operators, I'll be first in line to buy it. Until then, I'll continue owning an SUV, albeit a "smallish" one (Nissan Xterra), for all the above listed reasons for which I use it. Now, I do agree many folks don't need the 4wd or truck-based nature of some of the SUVs on the road, but it isn't the SUV's fault. Nowadays, we have an "SUV" for EVERY single type of driver imaginable, so I'd rather point the finger at someone who buys something more extravagent/less efficient than they need than a chunk of metal, plastic, and rubber made to do exactly what it was manufactured to do. I'll admit I was first to wish the demise of Ford after they brought out the Excursion. Why? Because it did nothing better than its competitor, the Suburban, which got better fuel mileage and weighed less. A vehicle such as the Excursion is built, and probably operated, purely for big egos. But so are many motorcycles, so I guess I've just countered myself ;) Regardless, saying an SUV is dangerous is like saying guns are dangerous... - Jimmy --- Radio Waves wrote: > There are not very many status symbols that tell people you don't > care > if you kill or inconvenience them than an SUV. They're also > universally driven by cell phone yakking asshats if my commute is > anything to judge by. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 15:02:01 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:01:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident Jimmy O laments: Wow, I didn't realize we had such an anti-SUV crowd on the list. ... A vehicle such as the Excursion is built, and probably operated, purely for big egos. But so are many motorcycles, so I guess I've just countered myself ;) Regardless, saying an SUV is dangerous is like saying guns are dangerous... [Dave] Or motorcycles ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Radio Waves wrote: > There are not very many status symbols that tell people you don't > care > if you kill or inconvenience them than an SUV. They're also > universally driven by cell phone yakking asshats if my commute is > anything to judge by. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 15:39:28 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:39:20 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Michael Jordan, USA, "Riding the Alps - what do you need, and why go?" > I'm eyeballing the weather south of here to see what Alberto may or > may not do to the: Yeah - I've had this on my radar for months now, and THE DAY that I'm going south I have a northbound hurricane to contend with. Why am I not surprised? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 15:40:46 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:40:39 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident On 6/13/06, James O'Connor wrote: > Wow, I didn't realize we had such an anti-SUV crowd on the list. I am not so much as SUV-hater as a poor-driver-who-chose-a-vehicle-larger-than-their-skills-will-allow-them-to-safely-operate-hater :-) As motorcyclists, or any recreational motorsports vehicle owners, it's a slippery slope when we try to dictate what people should drive. What's dangerous to me and you, is perceived as safe to others. Go figure. Sharing the garage with the necessary boring vehicles, I have a 500hp 4dr luxury sedan, a 700+hp sportscar and a 9 second 1/4 mile/190+mph motorcycle. Necessary? Not really :-) But I don't need anyone telling me what I should or shouldn't drive. All the nannies out there could argue that we all need to drive a Prius, limited to 70mph. Me? Let people drive whatever the fuck they want, let's just get some better driver training and stricter fines for poor driving. My .02 :-) OBMoto: heading down to Battley to check out gear later :-D -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 16:40:31 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:18 -0400 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" To: I totally agree Wayne. Radio Waves said: "There are not very many status symbols that tell people you don't care if you kill or inconvenience them than an SUV. They're also universally driven by cell phone yakking asshats if my commute is anything to judge by. An SUV is more or less the equivalent of what I would have if I mounted a snowplow on the front of my car and welded up a bunch of stakes to its roof pointing outward at SUV-passenger-head-height. I guess there's a time and a place for both, but gridlock on 66 is probably not it. Or maybe it is? Stay tuned for pictures of my new battlewagon." Damn dude, You don't stereotype folks do you. You could say that bikes are driven by wheelie popping, weekend racer wannabe, biker boys that don't care if they kill themselves or someone else "asshats". Either way there is always going to be someone who dislikes one form of transport or another. Hate the driver that has no business behind the wheel, don't hate the vehicle. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident On 6/13/06, James O'Connor wrote: > Wow, I didn't realize we had such an anti-SUV crowd on the list. I am not so much as SUV-hater as a poor-driver-who-chose-a-vehicle-larger-than-their-skills-will-allow-them -to-safely-operate-hater :-) As motorcyclists, or any recreational motorsports vehicle owners, it's a slippery slope when we try to dictate what people should drive. What's dangerous to me and you, is perceived as safe to others. Go figure. Sharing the garage with the necessary boring vehicles, I have a 500hp 4dr luxury sedan, a 700+hp sportscar and a 9 second 1/4 mile/190+mph motorcycle. Necessary? Not really :-) But I don't need anyone telling me what I should or shouldn't drive. All the nannies out there could argue that we all need to drive a Prius, limited to 70mph. Me? Let people drive whatever the fuck they want, let's just get some better driver training and stricter fines for poor driving. My .02 :-) OBMoto: heading down to Battley to check out gear later :-D -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 19:42:24 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:42:08 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Cc: "Larry Larson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Snell is a joke. I look for european standards now. From what I recall, flip face helmets don't fail snell, snell doesn't even test them. Are any open face helmets snell approved? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 20:15:18 2006 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:13:15 -0400 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,9-12 From: "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2412335155 X-MAIL-INFO: 58f9f999a55885e19985b999edbc09000129312d5578792d792d79fc492d6da5a921a549 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXNeYUto3esq3SSSLeIYyoMbX9vtIfemS0A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.lax.untd.com|celticracing@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Leathers? Try Barnacle Bill Wayne, You might want to get a quote on a set of Barnacle Bill Racing Leathers. He makes only custom suits, for all types of riding. To your specifications. Although they are primarily one-piece suits, he has and can make you an excellent two-piece suite. His prices are about the cost of off the rack. Tell him Tom sent you. He's an ex-racer, thumper enthusiast, dog lover, does track days, and one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. http://www.racingleather.com/ Tom Fitzpatrick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 20:17:53 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:17:45 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Leathers? Try Barnacle Bill On 6/13/06, Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III wrote: > > You might want to get a quote on a set of Barnacle Bill Racing Leathers. > He makes only custom suits, for all types of riding. To your > specifications. Although they are primarily one-piece suits, he has and > can make you an excellent two-piece suite. His prices are about the cost > of off the rack. Tell him Tom sent you. > > He's an ex-racer, thumper enthusiast, dog lover, does track days, and one > of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. > > http://www.racingleather.com/ > > Tom Fitzpatrick Thanks, Tom. My buddy, ECTA racer and drag racer, Bergie Frazier, recommended him to me as well. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 21:00:45 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:00:38 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: "Wayne Edelen" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Leathers? Try Barnacle Bill Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Supposedly very good stuff, with great safety features. I almost ordered one a while ago, but the wait can be long -- they work first order in, first suit out (wish I had now, since I'd have the suit now...). From the research I was doing back then, it sounded like they put the most good quality leather between you and the ground of just about any suit out there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 23:03:11 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:02:58 -0400 To: "Mike B." , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 02:16 PM 6/13/2006, Mike B. wrote: >>Ever try a flip-face, Mike? > >Yes...it didn't fit. The chin bar was just under my nose, and my chin was >out the bottom. If they really catch on, perhaps this issue will be taken >care of eventually with more models for more head shapes and sizes, but >last I checked into it, they didn't fit me. I know you're a big guy, but what size is your head? I'm a 7-3/4. There are at least twelve different models of flip-faces now -- I own five of them myself: two Nolans, an HJC, an Arrow, and a Vega. These all suit my head shape generally, but they're very different shapes from the Shoei Syncrotec and the Schuberth sold by BMW, which don't suit me at all. If you look at them again, you might have more luck finding one that fits. >Another issue is that none were Snell-approved...and I don't trust the >D.O.T. to approve much of anything without backup. Read the Motorcyclist helmet articles form last year, probably the best material on moto helmets ever written. Snell isn't to be trusted any more -- they're apparently more into politics and self-preservation than objectivity. Some of the bets helmets tested were very lightweight, and DOT only. DOT is merely a set of standards -- they don't actually test or approve anything. As someone else mentioned, the British Standards certification is much more meaningful at this point. I bought my Arrow flip-face in London for just that reason. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 23:37:04 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:30:34 -0400 To: "Radio Waves" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 6/13/2006 01:50 PM, Radio Waves wrote: >There are not very many status symbols that tell people you don't care >if you kill or inconvenience them than an SUV. Only says that to unimaginative group-think morons with poor self-esteem. The rest of us can think of lots of other reasons someone might drive an SUV than some stupid need to impress nameless people like *you*. Just because you feel intimidated doesn't mean anyone is trying to intimidate you. We also know, of course, that pretty much everything you said applies even more to vehicles like vans, pickups, RVs, semis, etc....but *those* aren't on the current green liberal idiot "hit parade" so they are just fine, right? -- Mike B. -- Don't undertake vast projects with half-vast ideas. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 23:47:04 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:42:07 -0400 To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident At 6/13/2006 02:33 PM, James O'Connor wrote: >Wow, I didn't realize we had such an anti-SUV crowd on the list. "Crowd"? I see no crowd... >Well, as soon as an auto manufacturer builds a vehicle that can tow a >trailer, navigate tough off-pavement trails, seat 4/5 people, and >keep cargo dry - all at the same time - without being a nemesis to >small car/motorcycle operators, I'll be first in line to buy it. >Until then, I'll continue owning an SUV, albeit a "smallish" one >(Nissan Xterra), for all the above listed reasons for which I use it. I'd add the additional requirement that I actually be able to fit into it and drive it. The prior whinings of the Greens have led to CAFE standards that have led to ever smaller and more cramped cars over the last few decades as auto makers try to meet the requirements of ignorant politicians within the bounds of physics. I can no longer fit into any car I've tried, and can't even fit into most of the recent SUVs. I have a '98 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and even it only gives me about 1/2" of headroom...and the '99 model dropped the roof even more in an attempt to lower drag still farther, and I can't fit into anything Chrysler makes now (I even tried the 300D...no way). I once owned a Nissan Pathfinder...'92...but when I went back for another they had widened the center console an inch and I couldn't reach the gas pedal anymore. Cars are steadily shrinking away to roller skates, while people are steadily getting taller. I see a booming market for restored cars from the '70s...back when they came in adult sizes. >Regardless, saying an SUV is dangerous is like saying guns are >dangerous... Yep...when it's really ignorance that's dangerous... -- Mike B. -- Fools rush in where fools have been before! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 13 23:57:01 2006 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:52:23 -0400 To: "Danny Motorcycle" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" At 6/13/2006 07:42 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Snell is a joke. I look for european standards now. Snell is not a joke, but the European standards are good too. > From what I >recall, flip face helmets don't fail snell, snell doesn't even test >them. Last I read Snell hadn't been asked to test any. Manufacturers pay to have them tested...Snell doesn't do it automatically. I don't know if the lack of Snell testing is due to fear of failure or just enough sales without it or some other reason. >Are any open face helmets snell approved? Yes. Some 3/4 helmets are. My HJC 3/4 helmet has a Snell 2000 sticker. I don't think a half-helmet could pass their tests though. -- Mike B. -- "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." -- H.G. Wells From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 00:07:21 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:01:26 -0400 To: ll , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 6/13/2006 11:02 PM, ll wrote: >At 02:16 PM 6/13/2006, Mike B. wrote: > >>>Ever try a flip-face, Mike? >> >>Yes...it didn't fit. The chin bar was just under my nose, and my chin >>was out the bottom. If they really catch on, perhaps this issue will be >>taken care of eventually with more models for more head shapes and sizes, >>but last I checked into it, they didn't fit me. > >I know you're a big guy, but what size is your head? I'm a 7-3/4. Not sure...don't buy hats much...they usually don't fit. ;-) When I was out in Montana a couple of years back, visiting my dad, I tried to find a cowboy hat...they had *one*, in a *hat store* filled with hats, that *almost* fit. A little stretching and it sort-of fit, but was still tight. Just ran a tape around the place a hat would sit and got 24"...what does that work out to? >There are at least twelve different models of flip-faces now -- I own five >of them myself: two Nolans, an HJC, an Arrow, and a Vega. These all suit >my head shape generally, but they're very different shapes from the Shoei >Syncrotec and the Schuberth sold by BMW, which don't suit me at all. If >you look at them again, you might have more luck finding one that fits. I'll look into it. I think the one I stuck out the bottom of was a Schuberth (built-in flip up sun visor...*all* helmets should have that!). It fit the forehead OK, it just wasn't tall enough. -- Mike B. -- A day without sunshine is like, you know, night. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 08:04:30 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I see nothing has changed on this list. I disagree with Mike on every point, but why don't we NOT DISCUSS POLITICS and related items here. Its stuupid. And yes, its stupid to request we don't talk about policits, I know. --- "Mike B." wrote: > At 6/13/2006 02:33 PM, James O'Connor wrote: > >Wow, I didn't realize we had such an anti-SUV crowd > on the list. > > "Crowd"? I see no crowd... > > >Well, as soon as an auto manufacturer builds a > vehicle that can tow a > >trailer, navigate tough off-pavement trails, seat > 4/5 people, and > >keep cargo dry - all at the same time - without > being a nemesis to > >small car/motorcycle operators, I'll be first in > line to buy it. > >Until then, I'll continue owning an SUV, albeit a > "smallish" one > >(Nissan Xterra), for all the above listed reasons > for which I use it. > > I'd add the additional requirement that I actually > be able to fit into it > and drive it. The prior whinings of the Greens have > led to CAFE standards > that have led to ever smaller and more cramped cars > over the last few > decades as auto makers try to meet the requirements > of ignorant politicians > within the bounds of physics. I can no longer fit > into any car I've tried, > and can't even fit into most of the recent SUVs. I > have a '98 Jeep Grand > Cherokee, and even it only gives me about 1/2" of > headroom...and the '99 > model dropped the roof even more in an attempt to > lower drag still farther, > and I can't fit into anything Chrysler makes now (I > even tried the > 300D...no way). I once owned a Nissan > Pathfinder...'92...but when I went > back for another they had widened the center console > an inch and I couldn't > reach the gas pedal anymore. Cars are steadily > shrinking away to roller > skates, while people are steadily getting taller. I > see a booming market > for restored cars from the '70s...back when they > came in adult sizes. > > >Regardless, saying an SUV is dangerous is like > saying guns are > >dangerous... > > Yep...when it's really ignorance that's dangerous... > > -- Mike B. > -- > Fools rush in where fools have been before! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 08:47:01 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:46:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: "Mike B." >Date: Tue Jun 13 22:30:34 CDT 2006 >To: Radio Waves >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >At 6/13/2006 01:50 PM, Radio Waves wrote: > >>There are not very many status symbols that tell people you don't care >>if you kill or inconvenience them than an SUV. > >Only says that to unimaginative group-think morons with poor self-esteem. >The rest of us can think of lots of other reasons someone might drive an >SUV than some stupid need to impress nameless people like *you*. Just >because you feel intimidated doesn't mean anyone is trying to intimidate you. > >We also know, of course, that pretty much everything you said applies even >more to vehicles like vans, pickups, RVs, semis, etc....but *those* aren't >on the current green liberal idiot "hit parade" so they are just fine, right? > >-- Mike B. I've owned SUV's way back before it became a fad to drive/own them. I always thought that they were a great compromise between hauling kids around, an overzealous trip to Costco, the occassional fishng trip and the rare 4x4 requirement during the winter. Last year though, I sold my last SUV (an 03 Exploder) for a car. Not because of mpg, handling (which, btw I've never experienced any of the unruly handing that so many non-SUV owners rail on about), or bad PR. It was merely for the reason that I wanted something that didn't ride or look like a truck. I'm getting to be an Old Fart (TM) and like a nice quiet, sedate ride with Vivaldi playing in the background. If I want noise, I'll get on my Harley. To be honest, I might actually buy a cheap, used SUV some time down the road as a secondary vehicle. There's been at least half a dozen times that an SUV would of come in very helpful for hauling stuff. I *might* even consider an inexpensive minivan (shudder) for the same reason but it'll get better mpg (but won't have the 4x4 capabilty) than an SUV. But right now, if I need to haul stuff, I go rent Home Depots truck for $19.95 for the first 75 min. We bought a bunch of patio stuff from Costco the other day and just rented Home Depots truck to bring it home. Ended up costing us about $30. So, not everyone is a crazed idiot for owning an SUV. They really can be pretty versatile vehicles if you know, understand and adhere to (you and) it's limitations and drive accordingly. And the same can be said for motorcycles btw. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 08:54:30 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll poke the fire...the news is reporting he didn't even have a MC license, only an expired learner's permit. - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 09:00:37 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:00:10 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Jimmy O stoked the embers... I'll poke the fire...the news is reporting he didn't even have a MC license, only an expired learner's permit. ------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll toss a little accelerant on it... That still doesn't negate the old urban assault vehicle piloting bat's fault for turning left in front of the moto. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 09:52:25 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually, the damage to the car was front passenger side, so the typical left-turn collision wouldn't apply. I suppose the driver could've been turning left from the opposite side of the road, which would better explain vehicle damage. It would appear from photos from the scene the bike hit the car's front passenger wheel. Damage to the car's body is significant, but doesn't look bad enough to have been the impact point of the bike. Only spot on the car strong enough to crumple the bike like that and not show worse damage would be the wheel. Totally shooting off the hip here... Yes, I'm arm chairing this whole thing. - Jimmy --- Dave Yates wrote: > I'll toss a little accelerant on it... > > That still doesn't negate the old urban assault vehicle piloting > bat's fault for turning left in front of the moto. > > Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 09:55:58 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:55:50 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Jimmy, you must be as high as a giraffe's pussy. :-) A vehicle turning left in your path would expose it's passenger side to you. The oldster in the cage turned left in front of young Bennie and he face planted into the side of the car. -- Wayne On 6/14/06, James O'Connor wrote: > Actually, the damage to the car was front passenger side, so the > typical left-turn collision wouldn't apply. I suppose the driver > could've been turning left from the opposite side of the road, which > would better explain vehicle damage. It would appear from photos > from the scene the bike hit the car's front passenger wheel. Damage > to the car's body is significant, but doesn't look bad enough to have > been the impact point of the bike. Only spot on the car strong > enough to crumple the bike like that and not show worse damage would > be the wheel. Totally shooting off the hip here... > > Yes, I'm arm chairing this whole thing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 10:03:56 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:03:48 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Wayne Edelen" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As "high as a _________" LOL. I'll have to remember that one. The damage is entirely consistent with a left-turn failure to yield invasion of the bike's path of travel. Or maybe Jimmy's from Ireland..... On 6/14/06, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Jimmy, you must be as high as a giraffe's pussy. > > :-) > > A vehicle turning left in your path would expose it's passenger side > to you. The oldster in the cage turned left in front of young Bennie > and he face planted into the side of the car. > > -- Wayne > > On 6/14/06, James O'Connor wrote: > > Actually, the damage to the car was front passenger side, so the > > typical left-turn collision wouldn't apply. .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 10:16:53 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:16:44 -0400 To: "Mike B." , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 12:01 AM 6/14/2006, Mike B. wrote: >.... Just ran a tape around the place a hat would sit and got 24"...what does that work out to? Same as mine -- between 7-5/8 and 7-3/4. XXL in most helmet lines; xl in a very few; don't even think about trying an AGV or Suomi. >I think the one I stuck out the bottom of was a Schuberth (built-in flip up sun visor...*all* helmets should have that!). The newer Nolans have them, too. I don't like them -- just one more mechanical feature to fail and get stuck in the down position. I like the glueless stick-on sun shield strips ("Sun-Downers"?), since I usually ride with the faceshield open a stop for ventilation anyway. Very cheap, movable, easily replaceable. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 10:41:41 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:41:25 -0400 To: ll , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 6/14/2006 10:16 AM, ll wrote: >At 12:01 AM 6/14/2006, Mike B. wrote: > >.... Just ran a tape around the place a hat would sit and got > 24"...what does that work out to? > >Same as mine -- between 7-5/8 and 7-3/4. XXL in most helmet lines; xl in a >very few; don't even think about trying an AGV or Suomi. Thanks. XXL is what mine are now. Wasn't sure what that was in hat sizes though. > >I think the one I stuck out the bottom of was a Schuberth (built-in flip > up sun visor...*all* helmets should have that!). > >The newer Nolans have them, too. I don't like them -- just one more >mechanical feature to fail and get stuck in the down position. I like the >glueless stick-on sun shield strips ("Sun-Downers"?), since I usually ride >with the faceshield open a stop for ventilation anyway. Very cheap, >movable, easily replaceable. I have one of those on my full-face...I agree, they are a good idea. Need to get one for the 3/4's face shield. -- Mike B. -- Murphy was an optimist. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 10:41:41 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:36:50 -0400 To: "Wayne Edelen" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident At 6/14/2006 09:55 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: >A vehicle turning left in your path would expose it's passenger side >to you. If it was previously coming toward you, and making a turn onto the right side street, yes. If it was pulling out from a left side street to go your way, yes, briefly...then the rear. If it was pulling out from the right side street to come toward you, no. That would be the driver's side. It's clearer which is meant when they use words like, "approached and turned left" or "pulled out to make a left". -- Mike B. -- Optimists think this is the best possible world. Pessimists fear they are right. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 10:50:58 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fictitious example: Motorcycle traveling north-bound. Car sitting at side street to the right of the motorcycle, facing west-bound. Car pulls out, turning left, to begin travel south-bound. Car crosses path of motorcycle. Motorcycle collides with car. Damage to front of motorcycle and DRIVER'S side of car. Easy enough, no? Of all the close calls I've had, this scenario is probably #1 for "closest". I do see what ya'll are saying...In Mr. Ben's case, I suspect he was traveling through an intersection and the bike-killing-terrorist-granny was facing the opposite direction with a "left turn yield on green", whereas she proceeded to turn left and in front of rider. Obviously, not yielding very well. I'm just saying there are other very possible ways of colliding with a car that is turning left, and have no impact to the passenger side of the car. Jeesh ;) Not from Ireland, but almost. Missed it by two generations. - Jimmy > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > As "high as a _________" LOL. I'll have to remember that one. > > The > > damage is entirely consistent with a left-turn failure to yield > > invasion of the bike's path of travel. Or maybe Jimmy's from > > Ireland..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 10:57:14 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:57:03 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 2 lanes, bike going North, car going South. Car turns left in front of bike and bike hits passenger side of car. Mike B. wrote: > At 6/14/2006 09:55 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> A vehicle turning left in your path would expose it's passenger side >> to you. > > If it was previously coming toward you, and making a turn onto the right > side street, yes. If it was pulling out from a left side street to go > your way, yes, briefly...then the rear. If it was pulling out from the > right side street to come toward you, no. That would be the driver's side. > > It's clearer which is meant when they use words like, "approached and > turned left" or "pulled out to make a left". > > -- Mike B. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 11:24:59 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:24:52 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident On 6/14/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 6/14/2006 09:55 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >A vehicle turning left in your path would expose it's passenger side > >to you. > > If it was previously coming toward you, and making a turn onto the right > side street, yes. If it was pulling out from a left side street to go your > way, yes, briefly...then the rear. If it was pulling out from the right > side street to come toward you, no. That would be the driver's side. Or maybe the car was making a right, flipped over and rolled into your path, landing on it's roof with the passenger side facing you. Oh wait, maybe it was on a rollback, which turned right into your path, but it was facing backwards on the rollback and you hit the passenger side of the car. Oh, here's another one, it was just crossing left to right on the road which you were traveling and you hit it's passenger side that way. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 11:28:38 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:28:30 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident On 6/13/06, Mike B. wrote: > > I'd add the additional requirement that I actually be able to fit into it > and drive it. The prior whinings of the Greens have led to CAFE standards > that have led to ever smaller and more cramped cars over the last few > decades as auto makers try to meet the requirements of ignorant politicians > within the bounds of physics. I can no longer fit into any car I've tried, > and can't even fit into most of the recent SUVs. Mike, it is obvious that you are the largest human ever born. I have contacted Ripley's and Guinness. The reporters are on the way to your house now. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 12:27:05 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:26:51 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Clearly the car was being driven by a deer. John. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Wayne Edelen" happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX > On 6/14/06, Mike B. wrote: > > At 6/14/2006 09:55 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > > >A vehicle turning left in your path would expose it's passenger side > > >to you. > > > > If it was previously coming toward you, and making a turn onto the right > > side street, yes. If it was pulling out from a left side street to go your > > way, yes, briefly...then the rear. If it was pulling out from the right > > side street to come toward you, no. That would be the driver's side. > > > Or maybe the car was making a right, flipped over and rolled into your > path, landing on it's roof with the passenger side facing you. Oh > wait, maybe it was on a rollback, which turned right into your path, > but it was facing backwards on the rollback and you hit the passenger > side of the car. Oh, here's another one, it was just crossing left to > right on the road which you were traveling and you hit it's passenger > side that way. > > -- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 13:12:32 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:13:37 -0400 To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident That's one possibility...are you saying that you know that's the setup in the case under discussion? Or just that that's a better way to word the description to avoid ambiguity? -- Mike B. At 6/14/2006 10:57 AM, Mike Troutman wrote: >2 lanes, bike going North, car going South. Car turns left in front of >bike and bike hits passenger side of car. > >Mike B. wrote: > > At 6/14/2006 09:55 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > >> A vehicle turning left in your path would expose it's passenger side > >> to you. > > > > If it was previously coming toward you, and making a turn onto the right > > side street, yes. If it was pulling out from a left side street to go > > your way, yes, briefly...then the rear. If it was pulling out from the > > right side street to come toward you, no. That would be the driver's side. > > > > It's clearer which is meant when they use words like, "approached and > > turned left" or "pulled out to make a left". From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 13:22:18 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:24:17 -0400 To: "Wayne Edelen" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident At 6/14/2006 11:28 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On 6/13/06, Mike B. wrote: >> >>I'd add the additional requirement that I actually be able to fit into it >>and drive it. The prior whinings of the Greens have led to CAFE standards > >Mike, it is obvious that you are the largest human ever born. I have >contacted Ripley's and Guinness. The reporters are on the way to your >house now. Save them the trip. I'm probably in the upper few percent of the current population, but hardly the largest. Cars, and motorcycles, these days just have very poor ergonomics for anyone who isn't in the range of about 5'4" to 6'2". I'm 6'6", and well outside the range they are designing around. In the old days, before center consoles and plastic-surround-cup holders a given interior space would accommodate a lot wider range of people. Hell, my first car was a '67 VW Bug, and I had plenty of room (though I was a couple of inches shorter too). It's really sad when a little thought on the part of the designers would fix the problem. For instance, one vehicle I looked at in '97 (when I bought my Jeep) was the Mitsubishi Montero. Tons of headroom, and enough legroom...*IF* they hadn't decided that the front speakers had to stick out the bottom of the dash in little molded-in buckets. The left one was right were my left shin needed to be. If they'd put the speaker elsewhere, or tipped it back up into the dash bottom, I'd have had no problem with that vehicle, and I suspect it would have fit folks a few inches taller than I am too. But they didn't, so they didn't get the sale. -- Mike B. -- Maybe if we made a giant badger.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 13:22:45 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:25:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident But was the deer wearing a helmet? -- Mike B. At 6/14/2006 12:26 PM, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: >Clearly the car was being driven by a deer. > >John. > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "Wayne Edelen" happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX > > > On 6/14/06, Mike B. wrote: > > > > At 6/14/2006 09:55 AM, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > > > > >A vehicle turning left in your path would expose it's passenger side > > > >to you. > > > > > > If it was previously coming toward you, and making a turn onto the right > > > side street, yes. If it was pulling out from a left side street to > go your > > > way, yes, briefly...then the rear. If it was pulling out from the right > > > side street to come toward you, no. That would be the driver's side. > > > > > > Or maybe the car was making a right, flipped over and rolled into your > > path, landing on it's roof with the passenger side facing you. Oh > > wait, maybe it was on a rollback, which turned right into your path, > > but it was facing backwards on the rollback and you hit the passenger > > side of the car. Oh, here's another one, it was just crossing left to > > right on the road which you were traveling and you hit it's passenger > > side that way. > > > > -- Wayne > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 13:23:32 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:23:24 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Just identifying a common left turn incident that leaves a big dent in the passenger side of a vehicle. Mike B. wrote: > That's one possibility...are you saying that you know that's the setup > in the case under discussion? Or just that that's a better way to word > the description to avoid ambiguity? > > -- Mike B. > > At 6/14/2006 10:57 AM, Mike Troutman wrote: >> 2 lanes, bike going North, car going South. Car turns left in front of >> bike and bike hits passenger side of car. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 13:40:07 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident FWIW, USA Today has pictures of the accident scene, including the damning passenger side impact area of the old bat's cage. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/2006/nfl-roethlisberger-wreck/flash.htm Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Just identifying a common left turn incident that leaves a big dent in the passenger side of a vehicle From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 13:54:39 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:54:27 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Motorcycles and accidents It is so amusing to come back from a lunch time ride and have co-workers throw articles like this in your face: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/12/AR200606 1201061.html Does anyone have stats on motorcycle accidents versus car accidents? How about anything that compares track riding to street riding? I made a decision a long time ago that I will not give up the things I love which include motorcycling and scuba. If people around me start pushing to hard..next up will be BASE jumping or cave diving. (semi-kidding here) Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 13:55:50 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:54:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Wayne Edelen >Date: Wed Jun 14 10:28:30 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident > >Mike, it is obvious that you are the largest human ever born. I have >contacted Ripley's and Guinness. The reporters are on the way to your >house now. > >-- Wayne oh that's just GREAT. Now I know that not only can Diet Pepsi shoot through ones nose, but a Subway sandwich does NOT slow down it's velocity. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 13:56:49 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:53:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: "Mike B." >Date: Wed Jun 14 12:13:37 CDT 2006 >To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident >That's one possibility...are you saying that you know that's the setup in >the case under discussion? Or just that that's a better way to word the >description to avoid ambiguity? > >-- Mike B. > has anyone even THOUGHT of the idea that just possibly, Roethlisberger came from the *drivers* side of the car but noticing that it's a horrible camera angle for the PR crowd, STOPPED HIS BIKE AND WALKED AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAR, and backed up and rammed into the car?? I mean..DUH. What? Hello? Hello? Is this mic on? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 14:18:33 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:18:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcycles and accidents A frustrated Julian pounds his keyboard: It is so amusing to come back from a lunch time ride and have co-workers throw articles like this in your face: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/12/AR200606 1201061.html Does anyone have stats on motorcycle accidents versus car accidents? [Dave] Motorized human transportation of the non-extraterrestrial variety has only been around since the 1890's or so, right? Humans are what? roughly 20,000 years of occupation? Statistically speaking more humans have been killed walking than riding a motorcycle, by several orders of magnitude. I mean seriously... if you're walking without a helmet ( and shield, broadsword, battle-axe, etc ) you're taking your life in your own hands. And let's not even go to the number of humans injured or killed on the backs of horses, camels and elephants.... Oh the humanity... Dave How about anything that compares track riding to street riding? I made a decision a long time ago that I will not give up the things I love which include motorcycling and scuba. If people around me start pushing to hard..next up will be BASE jumping or cave diving. (semi-kidding here) Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 14:27:29 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:27:22 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcycles and accidents Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 6/14/06, Dave Yates wrote: > A frustrated Julian pounds his keyboard: > > It is so amusing to come back from a lunch time ride and have co-workers > throw articles like this in your face: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/12/AR200606 > 1201061.html > > > Does anyone have stats on motorcycle accidents versus car accidents? > > [Dave] Motorized human transportation of the non-extraterrestrial variety has only been around since the 1890's or so, right? Humans are what? roughly 20,000 years of occupation? Statistically speaking more humans have been killed walking than riding a motorcycle, by several orders of magnitude. I mean seriously... if you're walking without a helmet ( and shield, broadsword, battle-axe, etc ) you're taking your life in your own hands. And let's not even go to the number of humans injured or killed on the backs of horses, camels and elephants.... > > Oh the humanity... > Yep, Christopher Reeve received his injuries on horseback. I'm not sure what the Post was trying to prove, other than scare its readership into leading bland, "safe" lives smothered in the cocoon-like embrace of Joan Claybrookism. I'm surprised they didn't run a piece on the children (omigod: the children!) killed/maimed by sportbikes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 14:56:37 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Motorcycles and accidents Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:56:51 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Several years ago when Cal Ripken Jr. surpassed Lou Gehrig's consecutive game record to become the "Ironman" a newspaper article posted about 150 players' names and the reasons they would not be setting a consecutive game record. Very few were sports injuries, many were classic Chevy Chase Saturday Night Live comedy bits. Some had torn ligaments washing their cars, one broke a limb climbing out of a hot tub and my favorite, ending up in the ER after chopping hot peppers and rubbing his eye. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Tech Support: "What's on your screen right now?" Customer: "A stuffed animal that my boyfriend got me at the grocery store." It is so amusing to come back from a lunch time ride and have co-workers throw articles like this in your face: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/12/AR200606 1201061.html Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 15:03:21 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:03:08 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mike B." >> But was the deer wearing a helmet? > -- Mike B. > > At 6/14/2006 12:26 PM, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >Clearly the car was being driven by a deer. Wanna have some fun sometime? Wear your helmet in a car. The cops just know you are up to something, but can do nothing. -- Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However it does require a substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 15:04:44 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:04:37 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] SUV - was Roethlisberger MC accident On 6/14/06, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > oh that's just GREAT. Now I know that not only can Diet Pepsi shoot through ones nose, but a Subway sandwich does NOT slow down it's velocity. > > -aki Glad I could help with your self discovery, Aki. :-) And Mike, you need to move up-market in your search. Many luxury and performance autos fit big dudes. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 15:13:22 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:13:14 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Cedric Bernescut" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcycles and accidents Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 6/14/06, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Several years ago when Cal Ripken Jr. surpassed Lou Gehrig's consecutive > game record to become the "Ironman" a newspaper article posted about 150 > players' names and the reasons they would not be setting a consecutive > game record. Very few were sports injuries, many were classic Chevy > Chase Saturday Night Live comedy bits. Some had torn ligaments washing > their cars, one broke a limb climbing out of a hot tub and my favorite, > ending up in the ER after chopping hot peppers and rubbing his eye. > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Annandale, VA > In the Post's Hall of Shame, at least two of the crashes involved impairment and one is attributable to gross inexperience/incompetence. Perhaps many of them the result of both, but you can't tell from the synopses. In that regard, these pro athletes are no different than the general population. If you want to diminish your chances of severe injury: don't ride impaired, don't ride like an unskilled knucklehead and wear proper gear. Of course there are no guarantees in life. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 15:29:00 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:28:46 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dave Yates" > "Whoa! You look like one of Darth Vader's storm troopers" and "cool" were > uttered. I was challenged to wear the mask out in public. … > I could tell he noticed > because his eyes became as big as saucers, he immediately slowed, staring at me > the whole time, then after a couple seconds started laughing and resumed his > speed. It was absolutely hysterical. From what I have read the test pilot of Americas very first jet plane liked to buzz propeller driven fighters even though he was not supposed to go anywhere near them for fear of giving away military secrets. He still he did it BUT he carried a gorilla mask and a big cigar in the plane. When buzzing another plane he would don the mask light the cigar and slow to give the other pilot a good look before blowing their wings off. When the pilots reported that they had seen an aircraft with no apparent means of propulsion flown by a gorilla smoking a cigar they were routinely sent to the base shrink who had no trouble convincing them that it must have been a hallucination. True? Probably, but I do not care, it is a good story. -- Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However it does require a substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 16:58:46 2006 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:54:54 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcycles and accidents Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 6/14/2006 02:27 PM, Paul Wilson wrote: >On 6/14/06, Dave Yates wrote: >>A frustrated Julian pounds his keyboard: >> >>Does anyone have stats on motorcycle accidents versus car accidents? >> >>[Dave] Motorized human transportation of the non-extraterrestrial >>variety has only been around since the 1890's or so, right? He blew it right out of the gate... Robert Fulton's Clermont (steam-powered river boat) was 1807. More at http://www.robertfulton.org/ along with: "The first attempt to connect a steam engine with the screw propeller was made by Joseph Bramah, of Piccadilly, who on 9 May 1795, patented the application of a paddlewheel to the stem of a vessel, driven by a steam engine. A brief list of those who used steam on boats of any description includes Rumsey, on the Potomac, in 1785; John Fitch, first in September 1785, again in August 1787; Patrick Millar, in 1787; Nathan Read, at Danvers, in 1789." For road transit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car where it says, in part: "Though not generally known, regular intercity bus service in steam driven busses was first founded in England in the 1830's. The horse interests quickly had legislation enacted to kill this new competing form of transport." Or this, at http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarssteama.htm: "In 1769, the very first self-propelled road vehicle was a military tractor invented by French engineer and mechanic, Nicolas Joseph Cugnot..." More on topic, the first motorcycle (http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcmuseum/firstbike.html): "Gottlieb Daimler (who later teamed up with Karl Benz to form the Daimler-Benz Corporation) is credited with building the first motorcycle in 1885, one wheel in the front and one in the back, although it had a smaller spring-loaded outrigger wheel on each side. It was constructed mostly of wood, with the wheels being of the iron-banded wooden-spoked wagon-type, definitely a "bone-crusher" chassis." He's only off by 120 years or so...but close enough for motorcycles. >>Humans are what? roughly 20,000 years of occupation? This guy's butt must be real sore from the friction of pulling all these numbers out of it...but his main point is still funny despite all the errors. -- Mike B. -- There's a deep instinct in human beings for making everything compulsory that isn't forbidden. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 14 23:47:55 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:47:33 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Motorcycles and accidents Mike B. enlightened us: . . .snip For road transit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car where it says, in part: "Though not generally known, regular intercity bus service in steam driven busses was first founded in England in the 1830's. The horse interests quickly had legislation enacted to kill this new competing form of transport." . . .snip And the beat goes on. A few months ago in Balmer I had a ride in a bicycle rickshaw, part of a promo by a company from NYC. During a long chat, it seems they have been having the same kind of entrenched interest problems from the taxi/carriage lobby for years and only just in the last few weeks, as noted in the Times, has the city developed formal licensing procedures. I seem to recall a similar situation in DC years ago, and see that rickshaws are in place for the Rehoboth season (no take on the formal status). Moto rickshaws an obvious next step. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Maybe double decker rickshaws? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 09:26:04 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:25:46 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] New York PSA Apropos of yesterday's discussion of how passenger-side damage occurs. http://www.nysdmv.com/media/gtsc_6_5_4_pm.mpg -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 10:00:15 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:59:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New York PSA To: DCcycles >From: Paul Wilson >Date: Thu Jun 15 08:25:46 CDT 2006 >To: DCcycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] New York PSA >Apropos of yesterday's discussion of how passenger-side damage occurs. > >http://www.nysdmv.com/media/gtsc_6_5_4_pm.mpg >-- >Paul in DC In slo mo, it was a Vrod and it *really* looks like the guy hit the car and was ejected up and over the roof. I wonder if it was some creative editing or if it was actually done with a stuntman. Either way, it's pretty effective. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 10:05:06 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:04:54 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Actually, wearing a helmet in a car could get you pulled over for wearing a mask in public, in Virginia. [BTW, don't walk into a bank while wearing a full-face helmet.] http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-422 § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions. It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity for wearing the device and the da e on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device. The violation of any provisions of this section shall constitute a Class 6 felony. (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX ... >Wanna have some fun sometime? >Wear your helmet in a car. >The cops just know you are up to something, but can do nothing. >-- > >Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However it does require a >substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) > >John. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 10:18:10 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "List-dc cycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:18:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Pulled over? Maybe. Convicted? I doubt it: "deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer " Helmets are required in sanctioned track events for both cars, motorcycles, pickups or whatever else you might be racing or using. They're required by law for operation of motor vehicles with less than 4 wheels in Va... Does every biker in VA take off their helmet to get gas? go grab a slim jim at Sheetz? ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:chris01@XXXXXX] To: 'List-dc cycles' Subject: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Actually, wearing a helmet in a car could get you pulled over for wearing a mask in public, in Virginia. [BTW, don't walk into a bank while wearing a full-face helmet.] http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-422 § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions. It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity ! for wearing the device and the date on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device. The violation of any provisions of this section shall constitute a Class 6 felony. (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX ... >Wanna have some fun sometime? >Wear your helmet in a car. >The cops just know you are up to something, but can do nothing. >-- > >Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However it does require a >substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) > >John. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 10:37:47 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New York PSA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Looks real, but I can't imagine even a stuntperson would risk this. My guess is it is bike pulled along on a track, with a dummy on board. I would guess the woman in passenger seat is a stuntperson and does receive the impact of the bike. Looks like those VW Jetta commercials have opened the door for these types of ads. - Jimmy --- adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: Paul Wilson > >Date: Thu Jun 15 08:25:46 CDT 2006 > >To: DCcycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] New York PSA > > >Apropos of yesterday's discussion of how passenger-side damage > occurs. > > > >http://www.nysdmv.com/media/gtsc_6_5_4_pm.mpg > >-- > >Paul in DC > > In slo mo, it was a Vrod and it *really* looks like the guy hit the > car and was ejected up and over the roof. I wonder if it was some > creative editing or if it was actually done with a stuntman. > > Either way, it's pretty effective. > > -aki > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 10:42:10 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: ArmadilloFZ1 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car To: chris01@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles here in monkeyland wearing a helmet in you car is " using race equipment". like a 5 point seatbelt it is illegal. this was explained to me by a HoCo pork chop. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > Actually, wearing a helmet in a car could get you > pulled over for wearing a mask in public, in > Virginia. > > [BTW, don't walk into a bank while wearing a > full-face helmet.] > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-422 > > § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in > certain places; exceptions. > > It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen > years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other > device whereby a substantial portion of the face is > hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of > the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or > upon any private property in this Commonwealth > without first having obtained from the owner or > tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, > the provisions of this section shall not apply to > persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; > (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or > other activities and wearing protective masks which > are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the > wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona > fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or > (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona > fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed > physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an > affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying > the medical necessity ! > for wearing the device and the date on which the > wearing of the device will no longer be necessary > and providing a brief description of the device. The > violation of any provisions of this section shall > constitute a Class 6 felony. > > (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; > 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.) > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX > ... > >Wanna have some fun sometime? > >Wear your helmet in a car. > >The cops just know you are up to something, but can > do nothing. > >-- > > > >Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However > it does require a > >substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) > > > >John. > > > > > > > -= Hannibal Ad Portus=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 10:51:28 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] New York PSA Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:51:15 -0400 From: "Joel Watkinson" To: , "DCcycles" Definitely blue/green screen and effects. They spliced together a video of the bike riding down the road and passing the camera, a shot of the guy sitting on the bike, some shots of the jacket and pants hanging over the side of the car and being pulled up over the car to look like the guy flying over plus the fake shattered glass. Also, the lady rocked forward and back instead of side to side when they 'hit' the biker. Not movie quality special effects, but has the intended effect at full speed. Just bugged me that they edited it so poorly because there was no biker in any shot prior to that and you would have seen him coming around the curve before he was headed straight for the car. Not to mention, the wife looked down the road 2 times and said nothing about the bike that would have been visible to her at that point. Anyway, it does get the message across and it does happen. I can't tell you how many accidents I have avoided after living in this area for over 20 years. Both in a car and on a bike, you have to look out for yourself and the other drivers. > -----Original Message----- > From: adamme@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:31 AM > To: DCcycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New York PSA > > >From: Paul Wilson > >Date: Thu Jun 15 08:25:46 CDT 2006 > >To: DCcycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] New York PSA > > >Apropos of yesterday's discussion of how passenger-side > damage occurs. > > > >http://www.nysdmv.com/media/gtsc_6_5_4_pm.mpg > >-- > >Paul in DC > > In slo mo, it was a Vrod and it *really* looks like the guy > hit the car and was ejected up and over the roof. I wonder > if it was some creative editing or if it was actually done > with a stuntman. > > Either way, it's pretty effective. > > -aki > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 11:04:47 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:04:39 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Joel Watkinson" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] New York PSA Cc: adamme@XXXXXX, DCcycles On 6/15/06, Joel Watkinson wrote: > Just bugged me that they edited it so poorly because there was no > biker in any shot prior to that and you would have seen him coming > around the curve before he was headed straight for the car. Not to > mention, the wife looked down the road 2 times and said nothing about > the bike that would have been visible to her at that point. I see that as a feature, not a bug. The two cager ding-a-lings were depicted as totally oblivious to their surroundings. Puts the viewer in the cager's point of view, inside the car, blissfully unaware that there are other road users. Nice touch to also have him be a victim of testosterone poisoning. Johnson was driving that car. Now only if he had a Big Mac in one hand and a cell phone cradled against his ear, it would have been perfect. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 11:11:50 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Calling a helmet a mask is a little far fetched wouldn't you say? Especially since your face isn't covered. Can't see that one holding up in court *IF* you were to get charged with it. Glenn --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > Actually, wearing a helmet in a car could get you > pulled over for wearing a mask in public, in > Virginia. > > [BTW, don't walk into a bank while wearing a > full-face helmet.] > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-422 > > § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in > certain places; exceptions. > > It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen > years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other > device whereby a substantial portion of the face is > hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of > the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or > upon any private property in this Commonwealth > without first having obtained from the owner or > tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, > the provisions of this section shall not apply to > persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; > (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or > other activities and wearing protective masks which > are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the > wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona > fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or > (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona > fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed > physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an > affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying > the medical necessity ! > for wearing the device and the date on which the > wearing of the device will no longer be necessary > and providing a brief description of the device. The > violation of any provisions of this section shall > constitute a Class 6 felony. > > (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; > 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.) > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX > ... > >Wanna have some fun sometime? > >Wear your helmet in a car. > >The cops just know you are up to something, but can > do nothing. > >-- > > > >Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However > it does require a > >substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) > > > >John. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 11:27:05 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:29:18 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car At 6/15/2006 11:11 AM, Glenn Dysart wrote: >Calling a helmet a mask is a little far fetched >wouldn't you say? Especially since your face isn't >covered. Can't see that one holding up in court *IF* >you were to get charged with it. I tend to agree, though IANAL. A mirrored face shield might qualify as a "mask" under the definition that they use, but the exemption for safety equipment probably applies...especially if you bring in some photos of people who have been hit by air bags in relatively low speed impacts to show why it is needed even in a passenger car. The court would be put in the position of denying the public the right to protect itself...no wait...they do that all the time in D.C. and Maryland. Never mind... -- Mike B. -- "Bad law is more likely to be supplemented than repealed." -- Dalin B. Oaks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 11:32:28 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:32:16 -0400 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" To: "List-dc cycles" Just a thought, I wonder if wearing full leathers is considered "race equipment by Johnny Law. Art -----Original Message----- From: ArmadilloFZ1 [mailto:gpacho1@XXXXXX] To: chris01@XXXXXX; List-dc cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car here in monkeyland wearing a helmet in you car is " using race equipment". like a 5 point seatbelt it is illegal. this was explained to me by a HoCo pork chop. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > Actually, wearing a helmet in a car could get you > pulled over for wearing a mask in public, in > Virginia. > > [BTW, don't walk into a bank while wearing a > full-face helmet.] > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-422 > > § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in > certain places; exceptions. > > It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen > years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other > device whereby a substantial portion of the face is > hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of > the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or > upon any private property in this Commonwealth > without first having obtained from the owner or > tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, > the provisions of this section shall not apply to > persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; > (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or > other activities and wearing protective masks which > are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the > wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona > fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or > (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona > fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed > physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an > affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying > the medical necessity ! > for wearing the device and the date on which the > wearing of the device will no longer be necessary > and providing a brief description of the device. The > violation of any provisions of this section shall > constitute a Class 6 felony. > > (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; > 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.) > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX > ... > >Wanna have some fun sometime? > >Wear your helmet in a car. > >The cops just know you are up to something, but can > do nothing. > >-- > > > >Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However > it does require a > >substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) > > > >John. > > > > > > > -= Hannibal Ad Portus=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 11:40:32 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:40:25 -0400 From: Robert To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [E]" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Cc: "List-dc cycles" I would think that would be hard to prove. I see that race-look jackets are in fashion again, and leather pants seem to be fairly common. Of course, the nomex helmet liner and gloves might give it away.... Robert Verde On 6/15/06, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [E] wrote: > Just a thought, I wonder if wearing full leathers is considered "race equipment by Johnny Law. > > Art > -----Original Message----- > From: ArmadilloFZ1 [mailto:gpacho1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:42 AM > To: chris01@XXXXXX; List-dc cycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car > > here in monkeyland wearing a helmet in you car is " > using race equipment". like a 5 point seatbelt it is > illegal. this was explained to me by a HoCo pork > chop. > > --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > > Actually, wearing a helmet in a car could get you > > pulled over for wearing a mask in public, in > > Virginia. > > > > [BTW, don't walk into a bank while wearing a > > full-face helmet.] > > > > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-422 > > > > § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in > > certain places; exceptions. > > > > It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen > > years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other > > device whereby a substantial portion of the face is > > hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of > > the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or > > upon any private property in this Commonwealth > > without first having obtained from the owner or > > tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, > > the provisions of this section shall not apply to > > persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; > > (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or > > other activities and wearing protective masks which > > are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the > > wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona > > fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or > > (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona > > fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed > > physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an > > affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying > > the medical necessity ! > > for wearing the device and the date on which the > > wearing of the device will no longer be necessary > > and providing a brief description of the device. The > > violation of any provisions of this section shall > > constitute a Class 6 felony. > > > > (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; > > 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.) > > > > ---------- Original Message > > ---------------------------------- > > From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX > > ... > > >Wanna have some fun sometime? > > >Wear your helmet in a car. > > >The cops just know you are up to something, but can > > do nothing. > > >-- > > > > > >Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However > > it does require a > > >substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) > > > > > >John. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -= Hannibal Ad Portus=- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 13:22:58 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:22:40 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Roethlisberger MC accident [and beyond] Here comes hooligan screening -- from NYT front page That Wild Streak? Maybe It Runs in the Family http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/15/health/15gene.html?hp&ex=1150430400&en=016 464e483780297&ei=5094&partner=homepage Of particular note, a subchart: Genes Linked to Behaviors http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/health/15GENE_GRAPHIC.html?_r=1&oref=slogi n To be discovered: The "I don't need a helmet" gene"! Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Isn't that a blue gene? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 13:31:02 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:30:47 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car On 6/15/06, ArmadilloFZ1 wrote: > here in monkeyland wearing a helmet in you car is " > using race equipment". like a 5 point seatbelt it is > illegal. this was explained to me by a HoCo pork > chop. 4, 5 or 6 point harnesses are illegal for use on public roads because they are not DOT approved. The po-po doesn't care what SFI or FIA says ;-) -- Wayne 'cage, firesystem and harnesses makes for a good daily driver' :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 15:01:23 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:02:10 -0400 To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" , "List-dc cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Or if having all your fingers makes you a pickpocket... Experience has shown that cops are not always all that up on what the law really says...except for laws they enforce frequently. On another list a few years ago there was a whole discussion about driving barefoot...and how many cops claimed it was illegal...but couldn't cite a law to back that up (since there wasn't one, that's understandable). -- Mike B. At 6/15/2006 11:32 AM, Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E] wrote: >Just a thought, I wonder if wearing full leathers is considered "race >equipment by Johnny Law. > >Art >-----Original Message----- >From: ArmadilloFZ1 [mailto:gpacho1@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:42 AM >To: chris01@XXXXXX; List-dc cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car > >here in monkeyland wearing a helmet in you car is " >using race equipment". like a 5 point seatbelt it is >illegal. this was explained to me by a HoCo pork >chop. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 16:05:08 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:04:56 -0400 To: "Wayne Edelen" From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:30 PM 6/15/2006, you wrote: >On 6/15/06, ArmadilloFZ1 wrote: >>here in monkeyland wearing a helmet in you car is " >>using race equipment". like a 5 point seatbelt it is >>illegal. this was explained to me by a HoCo pork >>chop. > >4, 5 or 6 point harnesses are illegal for use on public roads because >they are not DOT approved. The po-po doesn't care what SFI or FIA >says ;-) Not true in VA. VA even says that two points (the lap belt portion) of a five-point system are sufficient for the road. I routinely use three points of my Miata's harness on the road. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 17:04:32 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:04:23 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car On 6/15/06, ll wrote: > >4, 5 or 6 point harnesses are illegal for use on public roads because > >they are not DOT approved. The po-po doesn't care what SFI or FIA > >says ;-) > > > Not true in VA. VA even says that two points (the lap belt portion) of a > five-point system are sufficient for the road. I routinely use three points > of my Miata's harness on the road. > > -- Larry It is my understanding, maybe incorrectly, that all driver restraints must be DOT approved. Is VA different or is it one of those "I've never been ticketed for it" situations? As an aside, I hope you don't ever get into an accident using just 3 of the 5 or 6 attachement points on your harness. You will not be properly restrained. A factory-style 3 point lap/shoulder belt is meant to allow your body to travel forward somewhat, giving some anti-submarining (is that a word?) to keep you in your seat. A racing harness relies on the crotch strap(s) for anti-sub. Aside that aside, most people don't properly mount harnesses in their cars either :-) Especially the anti sub belts. The majority of factory seats aren't setup to accept harnesses. Thankfully, most people don't have to test their mounting setup :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 17:47:59 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:47:48 -0400 To: "Wayne Edelen" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car At 05:04 PM 6/15/2006, Wayne Edelen wrote: >>Not true in VA. VA even says that two points (the lap belt portion) of a >>five-point system are sufficient for the road. I routinely use three points >>of my Miata's harness on the road. > >It is my understanding, maybe incorrectly, that all driver restraints >must be DOT approved. Is VA different or is it one of those "I've >never been ticketed for it" situations? I'm assuming VA doesn't require specific DOT-approval for belts. It was a VA trooper at the Eisenhower Ave. DMV who told me that. I'll have to check the VA code Web site. >As an aside, I hope you don't ever get into an accident using just 3 >of the 5 or 6 attachement points on your harness. You will not be >properly restrained. A factory-style 3 point lap/shoulder belt is >meant to allow your body to travel forward somewhat, giving some >anti-submarining (is that a word?) to keep you in your seat. A racing >harness relies on the crotch strap(s) for anti-sub. I'm 6'3"+. If I ever sub in my Miata, I'm smushed already. 8;) >Aside that aside, most people don't properly mount harnesses in their >cars either :-) Especially the anti sub belts. The majority of >factory seats aren't setup to accept harnesses. Thankfully, most >people don't have to test their mounting setup :-) Hard Dog "Hard Core" bar and proper installation here, for SCCA. The sub belt just required a reinforced slit in the stock seat to pass track tech. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 15 19:54:53 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:54:38 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 They would have one hell of a time making it stick because of the following exception, and it would be fun for the anti helmet folks. (I have been known to wear a ski mask in the dead of winter, you can bet your ass that I take it off before entering any store. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Chris Norloff" > > § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions. > However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or > other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the > physical safety of the wearer or other persons; From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 09:15:32 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:15:18 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Wayne Edelen" > 4, 5 or 6 point harnesses are illegal for use on public roads because > they are not DOT approved. Explosives in the steering wheel = OK, 5 point seatbelts = not OK. Whaddafu...-- John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 09:32:06 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:31:44 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) At 09:15 AM 6/16/2006, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "Wayne Edelen" > > > 4, 5 or 6 point harnesses are illegal for use on public roads because > > they are not DOT approved. > >Explosives in the steering wheel = OK, 5 point seatbelts = not OK. > >Whaddafu...-- > > >John W. don't forget, now there's also explosives in the dash, overhead liner and on the sides of the front seats. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 09:44:20 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock Has anyone found a bricks and mortar location to buy the same 3M Dual Lock "velcro" that the Smart Tags use? - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 10:07:28 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:07:19 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock They are available at toll boths, N/C, if your just looking for replacements. -Norris On 6/16/06, James O'Connor wrote: > Has anyone found a bricks and mortar location to buy the same 3M Dual > Lock "velcro" that the Smart Tags use? > > - Jimmy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 10:09:40 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks Rich. I called Smart Tag - and the strips are being mailed to me today. Impressive. Who'da thunk? - Jimmy --- rich hall wrote: > No, but if you need replacements, they'll send it to you free. > > >From: "James O'Connor" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock > >Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:44:07 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Has anyone found a bricks and mortar location to buy the same 3M > Dual > >Lock "velcro" that the Smart Tags use? > > > >- Jimmy > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 11:08:02 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Smart-Tag (was 3m Dual Lock) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:07:47 -0400 From: "Joel Watkinson" To: "James O'Connor" , Speaking of Smart-Tag, does anyone here use it on their bike? Last I checked they were not "supporting" that. I've got a few cars, so, I could always get another tag for one of them and use it on the bike. Just don't know how well that works. I'd prefer to do it right and have my bike make/model/tag on file in case it does not work so they can charge it to my account properly instead of treating as a violation/fine. Anyone have any luck with this for their bike? Thanks, Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:01 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock > > Has anyone found a bricks and mortar location to buy the same > 3M Dual Lock "velcro" that the Smart Tags use? > > - Jimmy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 11:33:15 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Smart-Tag (was 3m Dual Lock) To: Joel Watkinson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Lots of folks use Smart-Tag on their bikes. I've used it daily for the last two years. I've got two windscreens for the ZRX, small and smaller. On each, I have attached the velcro strips to the inside above the gauge cluster (similar to if on a windshield). I haven't had any problems with the transponder coming loose, even with DC's pot holes. The Smart Tag people warn that if you use it on a motorcycle, it may not mount in a way that signals the meter and/or it may vibrate loose and fall off. They have no problem with a moto using it - I've had my last two bikes registered to a transponder (though it isn't uncommon for me to pull it off the bike to use on one of the cages when needed). fyi - I tried using it in a tank bag and it wouldn't trip the meter, but I've never had a missed connection while mounted on the windscreen. - Jimmy --- Joel Watkinson wrote: > Speaking of Smart-Tag, does anyone here use it on their bike? Last > I > checked they were not "supporting" that. I've got a few cars, so, I > could always get another tag for one of them and use it on the > bike. > Just don't know how well that works. I'd prefer to do it right and > have > my bike make/model/tag on file in case it does not work so they can > charge it to my account properly instead of treating as a > violation/fine. Anyone have any luck with this for their bike? > > Thanks, > Joel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 11:36:15 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Radio Shack sells bigger strips of this stuff. Glenn --- James O'Connor wrote: > Has anyone found a bricks and mortar location to buy > the same 3M Dual > Lock "velcro" that the Smart Tags use? > > - Jimmy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 11:46:30 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:46:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Toll Cameras (was Smart-Tag - was 3m Dual Lock) To: Joel Watkinson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Regarding charging your account, last I heard (a few months ago), none of the yellow camera boxes had cameras in them. Go figure. I believe it was the Post that reported this. But, since then, I believe public outcry has made getting camera's installed more of a priority. Not sure if it has happened in all locations yet? I know I've gone through with "toll not paid" several times (forgot transponder) and have never received any notification on my account. - Jimmy --- Joel Watkinson wrote: I'd prefer to do it right and > have > my bike make/model/tag on file in case it does not work so they can > charge it to my account properly instead of treating as a > violation/fine. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 12:07:00 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:06:38 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Smart-Tag (was 3m Dual Lock) To: Cars@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO I've used it on my bike quite a few times with no problem. Just register it as a second vehicle on your current Smart Tag and take it from one to the other. They don't have seperate ones for bikes. What they don't support is a lower rate for bikes. They charge the same as a car. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Joel Watkinson To: James O'Connor ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Smart-Tag (was 3m Dual Lock) Speaking of Smart-Tag, does anyone here use it on their bike? Last I checked they were not "supporting" that. I've got a few cars, so, I could always get another tag for one of them and use it on the bike. Just don't know how well that works. I'd prefer to do it right and have my bike make/model/tag on file in case it does not work so they can charge it to my account properly instead of treating as a violation/fine. Anyone have any luck with this for their bike? Thanks, Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:01 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock > > Has anyone found a bricks and mortar location to buy the same > 3M Dual Lock "velcro" that the Smart Tags use? > > - Jimmy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 14:03:09 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:02:20 -0400 From: skip To: "Dr. Corona" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock X-Spam-Level: *** X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1546/Fri Jun 16 09:41:54 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean unfortunately they don't have it at the toll booths anymore. I tried at a couple different ones. had to go to their office in reston. there was a big bowl of it, so I grabbed a few. "Dr. Corona" wrote: > > They are available at toll boths, N/C, if your just looking for replacements. > > -Norris > > On 6/16/06, James O'Connor wrote: > > Has anyone found a bricks and mortar location to buy the same 3M Dual > > Lock "velcro" that the Smart Tags use? > > > > - Jimmy > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 14:45:36 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:45:26 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock That blows, I wonder if it's a budgetary thing since they are so cash strapped??? -Norris On 6/16/06, skip wrote: > unfortunately they don't have it at the toll booths anymore. I tried at > a couple different ones. had to go to their office in reston. there > was a big bowl of it, so I grabbed a few. > > > > "Dr. Corona" wrote: > > > > They are available at toll boths, N/C, if your just looking for replacements. > > > > -Norris > > > > On 6/16/06, James O'Connor wrote: > > > Has anyone found a bricks and mortar location to buy the same 3M Dual > > > Lock "velcro" that the Smart Tags use? > > > > > > - Jimmy > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 14:54:20 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:54:13 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dr. Corona" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] 3m Dual Lock Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Call 'em up; they'll drop extras in the mail to you. I got some from Merry-land EZPass that way. I also had a Murlan EZ-Pass transponder stop working. Replaced with no questions asked. In EZ-Pass news, the Chesapeake Bridge-Tunnel is getting with the program and installing EZ-Pass. -Paul On 6/16/06, Dr. Corona wrote: > That blows, I wonder if it's a budgetary thing since they are so cash > strapped??? > > -Norris > > On 6/16/06, skip wrote: > > unfortunately they don't have it at the toll booths anymore..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 16 15:37:33 2006 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:37:25 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Smart-Tag (was 3m Dual Lock) On 6/16/06, James O'Connor wrote: > Lots of folks use Smart-Tag on their bikes. I've used it daily for > the last two years. Same here. The bike (or at least my last bike) is registered as a second vehicle and I have a smart-tag just for it - I don't have to swap them back and forth that way. > I've got two windscreens for the ZRX, small and smaller. On each, I > have attached the velcro strips to the inside above the gauge cluster That works on my FJR as well, although it irritated me having it there. It was just enough in my vision to bug me. Also, I'd sometimes forget about it and leave it on the bike. I didn't like the idea of someone snaking it, so... > fyi - I tried using it in a tank bag and it wouldn't trip the meter, > but I've never had a missed connection while mounted on the > windscreen. It works fine in my tank bag, which is where I had it for a LONG time. I put it up against the front of the bag on the inside, facing pretty much straight forward. But, I took the bag off once and forget that I didn't have my smart tag with me. I ended up having to fish for cash with all my gear on. So... It's now mounted under the front nose piece of my fairing. Stuck there with a new batch of the 3M dual-lock stuff they sent me. Works fine, even when soaking wet or filthy enough that you can't tell it's white any more. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 17 00:21:15 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:20:57 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 > At 09:15 AM 6/16/2006, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >Explosives in the steering wheel = OK, 5 point seatbelts = not OK. > > > >Whaddafu...-- > -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Aki Damme adamme@XXXXXX > don't forget, now there's also explosives in the dash, overhead liner and on > the sides of the front seats. Yea. Snatch em out and mail em to your legislator (DON'T!) and see how long it takes for the FBI to show up at your door to throw you under the jail for mailing a bomb. Shit, got the words explosives, mail, FBI, bomb and legislator all in one E-mail, FBI is likely to show up anyhow. Oh well screw em. Fred Smith. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 17 15:41:30 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] helmet in a car Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:41:12 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "garcia oliver" > other drivers, who don't need more > distraction...but this was before cell phones---maybe they've gotten > better at multi-tasking. I understand that there is a helmet available with Bluetooth...-- John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 18 10:38:42 2006 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] garage w/attached house and sidecar classes at NOVA CC Hey All, With apologies to Harry (and all)for the spam, but some may know that I'm a Realtor and I never mention properties here but this one is an exception...I've got a small detached home that I'm marketing in the Fairfax area - near the border of Vienna and Merrifield for $539,900 WITH A FIVE CAR GARAGE!! It's on a .66 acre lot in a neighborhood with no homeowners association. IF you are interested, I'll actually be there today for an Open House from 1-4... links are: http://matrix.mris.com/Matrix/Public/Email.aspx?ID=14352876790 or www.2923fairhill.com (last two owners were a car racing hobbyist and a motorcycle customizer) Next subject is Sidecar Classes at Loudon County campus of NOVA for July 14-15-16 I signed up yesterday..guess I'm the 4th person to sign up but they said if they didn't get at least five people to sign up ($170-ish) they will probably cancel the course. Anyone interested PLEASE get off the fence and sign up. Northern Virginia Community College Loudon Campus, call Continuing Education dept. Thanks, Corbett -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 18 11:10:05 2006 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] 5 car garage w/attached house AND Sidecar Classes Hey ALL! For those who were interested in the NOVA CC (Loudon Campus)Sidecar Classes for July 14-16..if they don't get a couple more folks signed up, they will probably cancel the class. I'm the fourth signed up currently and they think they want at least 5. Get off the fence if you're interested, I believe it's $170 and you can sign up through Northern Virginia Community College (Loudon Campus) Continuing Education. (They make you jump through a hoop though..you have to register to be a student to get a Student ID) Next subject, I almost never "talk shop" on DC Cycles but this one is a rare opportunity. Some may know that I'm a Realtor and I just listed this small home, with a FIVE CAR GARAGE for $539,900 in Fairfax. Last two owners were a race car hobbyist and a bike customizer. I'll be there for an Open House today 6/18/06 from 1-4 p.m. you can go to one of these links for more info: http://matrix.mris.com/Matrix/Public/Email.aspx?ID=14353326288 or wwww.2923fairhill.com Thanks and Sorry (Harry and all) for the spam. -Corbett -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 18 12:00:49 2006 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] damn...sorry for the double post... damn...sorry for the previous double post... ...thought the first post had floated off in cyber-purgatory Happy Fathers Day to any Pops out there. -Corbett -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 18 15:55:47 2006 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Paging Leon Leon, Ping me off list please... thanks. JK John Kozyn 1999 900SS ~ 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 19 11:04:37 2006 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] More on Roethlisberger http://www.wtop.com/index.php?sid=819033&nid=119&top5=1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 19 11:09:46 2006 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:09:38 -0400 From: Robert To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] VA Tech study of Washington-area drivers Bears out what we all already know. "Among the gleanings was a nighttime video of a 20-something male driver whose eyes close and head nods as he speeds down a highway. The car drifts toward approaching headlights; the audience screams warnings while the split-screen view shows him drowsing. An oncoming car swerves onto the shoulder and narrowly squeaks by; the sleepy young man is startled awake only after a collision would have occurred. Known as the 100-car study, the project tracked 241 drivers — 60 percent male, 40 percent female — in the Washington metropolitan area for 13 months. The study was co-sponsored by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Virginia Transportation Research Council. Each of the 100 cars was equipped with video cameras, radar antennas, traffic lane trackers, satellite navigation and a sensor system to monitor the drivers, what they saw, their driving environment and the actions they took. The participants volunteered to have the equipment installed in their vehicles. " More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/automobiles/18CRASH.html Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 19 14:45:22 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More on Roethlisberger Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:45:32 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Anyone catch the Ebay auction the empty box advertised as the Roethlisberger signature helmet? Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Subject: [dc-cycles] More on Roethlisberger http://www.wtop.com/index.php?sid=819033&nid=119&top5=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 20 13:31:49 2006 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:31:35 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Mechanic recommendation Can someone recommend a reliable mechanic in DC that would be willing to check out a used (late model) car? Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 20 15:26:26 2006 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More on Roethlisberger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wonder if the woman driver feels "bad enough" to turn in her lousy license. Or do some serious community service time promoting motorcycle awareness and paying bloody attention when driving. I like the recent crop of VW ads. I just wish the point wasn't that VW has good side impact protection but that American drivers don't pay any attention to what they're doing. Ending the commercial with: "85% (guesstimate) of acidents in America are caused by drivers not paying any attention to their surroundings and other traffic. Since the gov't has no intention of fixing the laughable license tests, you might want to drive a car with some of the best impact protection capabilities to fend off your fellow yahoo's." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 20 17:04:37 2006 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:04:24 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] FS (spammish): MC and/or ATV ramps Hey all, I'm cleaning out the garage and I realized I no longer have a truck. So, I no longer have much use for any of my ramps. I have an aluminum 7 foot arched "ladder type" ramp and a couple of home-made 8 foot board ramps. I have no idea what the rating on the aluminum ramp is, but I'm guessing it's at least 1200 lbs. It's handled both my FJR and a Goldwing, both with my additional couple pounds riding them up into the bed of the Avalanche. I also have no idea what I paid for it, but since certain local shops don't have ANY ramps for under $150, I figure $50 is a fair asking price. The wooden ramps are 8 foot long 2x8's with Ramparts ramp ends on the end of them. The ramp ends have a padding on the back of them so they don't scratch up your tailgate. They've also got a couple of small holes in them, in case you want to drop a couple of cotter pins or something in there to stabilize them (although I've never had a need - they've been plenty stable every time I've used them). Anyway, there's two of these puppies and they go together, so ou can use them for ATVs or lawn mowers, or whatever. I have no idea the breaking point of the average 2x8 is, so use at your own risk. I know that the Ramparts run about $20 per set without bolts and boards, so I'm asking for $20 for the set. Requirements other than the money... come get them. They won't fit in my Jeep. I'm located in Springfield off of Braddock Rd. Pictures of both... http://www.smthng.com/Ramps/image001.jpg http://www.smthng.com/Ramps/image002.jpg http://www.smthng.com/Ramps/image003.jpg http://www.smthng.com/Ramps/image004.jpg http://www.smthng.com/Ramps/image005.jpg --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 20 17:09:39 2006 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] More on Roethlisberger To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is the exact reason I think many people choose to drive vehicles that sit higher off the ground, ie SUVs. I'm a huge fan of mandatory retesting (3-5 years) in order to maintain a driver's license, I don't care what amount it would raise my taxes. - Jimmy --- matthew patton wrote: you might want to drive a car with some of the best impact protection capabilities to fend off your fellow yahoo's." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 11:12:37 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:12:16 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Interesting ad\article on engine break-in theory http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 12:17:24 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting adarticle on engine break-in theory Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:17:09 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Julian Halton" julian@XXXXXX > http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm Gibberish, nonsense, malarkey. The easiest problem to put the bullshit meter on is the following direct cut and paste. “ In addition, many professional mechanics have disassembled engines that have used this method, to find that the condition of the engine is much better than when the owner's manual break-in method has been used.” NONSENSE! There is so little wear at the end of the break in period that there would be no, and I mean NO way for a mechanic to tell _any_ difference, much less a large difference. “The results are always the same... a dramatic increase in power at all RPMs.” A change in break in will not give a _dramatic_ anything. Ride the bike, then ride it some more, it’s broken in. -- John Walters 99 Honda St1100 83 BMW R80RT (Over 200,000 mi.) 76 Honda CR250M From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 12:30:34 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting ad\article on engine break-in theory To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX This guy's theory is about as widespread and debated as any in the moto world. I read his stuff a few years ago. He can go ahead and abuse his rebuild-every-season track motors as much as he wants. But for a motor that I want to run as long as possible, like the one in MY bike, I think I'll trust the manufacturers of my bike to know a little more than this guy. He makes some decent points, but my owner's manual already does a good job of describing the need to vary the rpms, not idle long, etc during break in. - Jimmy --- Julian Halton wrote: > > http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 12:36:40 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:36:33 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Interesting ad\article on engine break-in theory > I think I'll trust the manufacturers of my bike to know a > little more than this guy. I'm with Jimmy -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 13:21:57 2006 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:21:42 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/20/06 Can someone recommend a reliable mechanic in DC that would be willing to check out a used (late model) car? YES!!!!! Merv's Auto Repair at 703-644-1900 68850 Springfield Blvd Springfield VA 22150 They've been keeping my old cars going for over 20 years. I deal primarily with Francis. You actually can talk to the guys that work on your car and the price is right. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 14:23:21 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:23:05 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice So I have this nice little spot I park my bike in. I share it with one other person that works in my building. He is really cool, drives a BMW R90 and is very respectful. Lately other "bikes" have decided to start taking advantage of this nicely laid out spot. As people are lazy and were always walking past the bikes to save a few leg strides, I placed cones and cans in such a manner as to make the lazy drones calculate the space as a car space and not attempt a shortcut to shave three feet off their mammoth trek to the elevator. This one new arrival - a Honda nonetheless (joking here) likes to park real close...so tight on the right side that every time I stand my bike up, I have to fold both our mirrors in order to get out. This is really annoying and I don't know why Mr. Honda feels the need to get so close and personal. Do I write the note...asking the driver to give me a little more room or is this a recipe for escalation into open hostility? Julian Halton From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 14:56:41 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:56:35 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Julian Halton wrote: > This one new arrival - a Honda nonetheless (joking here) likes to park > real close...so tight on the right side that every time I stand my bike > up, I have to fold both our mirrors in order to get out. This is really > annoying and I don't know why Mr. Honda feels the need to get so close > and personal. Are you in a normal full spot with Mr. BMW? Two sharing a car spot, or are you in a pseudo spot? Depending on the person a note may make it hostile, but I have found that a face to face discussion of the problem will probably keep everyone happy. Unless Mr. Honda is a psycho, which he may very well be. Then again, she may be parking like that just to get close to you, since bikes turn her on. Of course, she too may be bat-shit crazy. So, you have a 25% chance of a friendly end to the situation, a 25% chance to a man on man fight, a 25% chance of a date and a 25% chance of some sort of boiled rabbit episode next weekend. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 15:20:44 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Bike Etiquette - Advice leave a sticky note. I have the reverse problem. here in Crystal City North we used to park happily on the sidewalk until some HOG riders showed up and decided they needed to take up 2 bike widths to park their obsolete chrome mobiles. I make a point of parking my bike as damn close as I can to them. The ST1100 riders know how to park, why can't the pigs take a hint? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 15:26:37 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:26:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Write a polite note, explaining what happens. Don't use tape or similar to attach to bike. If the other rider has never been in the postion of having another bike parked so close to the right that you can't get the bike up, he/she may not realize what a PITA they're being. On several occassions, I've had to perform a circus act to temporarily balance the bike long enough to kick the kickstand up, all the while not being able to put my right foot on the ground, because some clown has parked so close to my right that I can't stand the bike upright enough to get the weight off the kickstand. I've actually had to pull myself and bike up to vertical using the other, imposing bike's handlbars before, just to get off the kickstand. I don't like ever touching someone else's bike and really hate the scratches the are bound to occur to their bike when my exhaust is forced to smush against turnsignals, saddlebags, etc. just so I can pull out of a parking spot. The first time it happened, I really wasn't sure I'd be able to get out...stupid safety won't let me pull out with the kickstand down. Don't get me started on the folks that park diagonally... - Jimmy --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > So I have this nice little spot I park my bike in. I share it with > one > other person that works in my building. He is really cool, drives > a BMW > R90 and is very respectful. Lately other "bikes" have decided to > start > taking advantage of this nicely laid out spot. > > As people are lazy and were always walking past the bikes to save a > few > leg strides, I placed cones and cans in such a manner as to make > the > lazy drones calculate the space as a car space and not attempt a > shortcut to shave three feet off their mammoth trek to the > elevator. > > This one new arrival - a Honda nonetheless (joking here) likes to > park > real close...so tight on the right side that every time I stand my > bike > up, I have to fold both our mirrors in order to get out. This is > really > annoying and I don't know why Mr. Honda feels the need to get so > close > and personal. > > Do I write the note...asking the driver to give me a little more > room > or is this a recipe for escalation into open hostility? > > > > > Julian Halton > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 15:43:27 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:43:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice Julian Halton Lamented: > This one new arrival - a Honda nonetheless (joking here) likes to park > real close...so tight on the right side that every time I stand my bike > up, I have to fold both our mirrors in order to get out. This is really > annoying and I don't know why Mr. Honda feels the need to get so close > and personal. Troutman analyzed the data: Are you in a normal full spot with Mr. BMW? Two sharing a car spot, or are you in a pseudo spot? Depending on the person a note may make it hostile, but I have found that a face to face discussion of the problem will probably keep everyone happy. Unless Mr. Honda is a psycho, which he may very well be. Then again, she may be parking like that just to get close to you, since bikes turn her on. Of course, she too may be bat-shit crazy. So, you have a 25% chance of a friendly end to the situation, a 25% chance to a man on man fight, a 25% chance of a date and a 25% chance of some sort of boiled rabbit episode next weekend. [Dave] I agree in part and disagree in part. Troutman's data analysis is static since there aren't enough women to represent 25% of motos. Plus, he discounts the possibility that the other biker has actually been stalking Julian and actually purchased the H*nda in a desperate attempt to make Julian's acquaintance. ;-) I left a post it for an old BMW with no side stand that blocked me in once, something to the tune of: "I didn't have enough room to get out from behind you. I had to move your bike and put it back (under the enclosure). I got help (in the form of campus police) so as to be sure not to mess up your bike. Ride safe, Black ZX11". I concur with Troutman, face to face leaves no room for misinterpretation via anonymous note, email, etc. but I wouldn't wait around on my own time if you're never running into this person. And how exactly are they dismounting if they're so close to your bike? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 15:49:08 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:51:58 -0400 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Bike Etiquette - Advice At 6/21/2006 03:20 PM, matthew patton wrote: >North we used to park happily on the sidewalk until some HOG riders >showed up and decided they needed to take up 2 bike widths to park >their obsolete chrome mobiles. Just because they aren't toy-sized like yours doesn't mean they are taking up 2 bike widths...just 2 *kiddie* bike widths. I'm guessing the moped and pedal-bike riders feel the same way about you sport-hooligan-riders. >I make a point of parking my bike as damn close as I can to them. Not a real smart move there sparkie. Another reason they may need more space to dismount might be that they are a lot bigger than you...and if they aren't, they're probably richer...either way a fight would be a bad idea. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 15:54:31 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:54:19 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Dave Yates" , I don't know how they dismount but scratch potential is high as there are only a few inches between bikes. It is a makeshift space that hosts three bikes two yammies and a bmw. I am comfortable with these neighbors These are fine Now this dude wants to make it a four person space and there is a fifth bike that is gunning for a spot. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:dave@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice Julian Halton Lamented: > This one new arrival - a Honda nonetheless (joking here) likes to park > real close...so tight on the right side that every time I stand my > bike up, I have to fold both our mirrors in order to get out. This is > really annoying and I don't know why Mr. Honda feels the need to get > so close and personal. Troutman analyzed the data: Are you in a normal full spot with Mr. BMW? Two sharing a car spot, or are you in a pseudo spot? Depending on the person a note may make it hostile, but I have found that a face to face discussion of the problem will probably keep everyone happy. Unless Mr. Honda is a psycho, which he may very well be. Then again, she may be parking like that just to get close to you, since bikes turn her on. Of course, she too may be bat-shit crazy. So, you have a 25% chance of a friendly end to the situation, a 25% chance to a man on man fight, a 25% chance of a date and a 25% chance of some sort of boiled rabbit episode next weekend. [Dave] I agree in part and disagree in part. Troutman's data analysis is static since there aren't enough women to represent 25% of motos. Plus, he discounts the possibility that the other biker has actually been stalking Julian and actually purchased the H*nda in a desperate attempt to make Julian's acquaintance. ;-) I left a post it for an old BMW with no side stand that blocked me in once, something to the tune of: "I didn't have enough room to get out from behind you. I had to move your bike and put it back (under the enclosure). I got help (in the form of campus police) so as to be sure not to mess up your bike. Ride safe, Black ZX11". I concur with Troutman, face to face leaves no room for misinterpretation via anonymous note, email, etc. but I wouldn't wait around on my own time if you're never running into this person. And how exactly are they dismounting if they're so close to your bike? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 16:04:35 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:29 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Julian Halton wrote: > This one new arrival - a Honda nonetheless (joking here) likes to park > real close...so tight on the right side that every time I stand my bike > up, I have to fold both our mirrors in order to get out. This is really > annoying and I don't know why Mr. Honda feels the need to get so close > and personal. Are you in a normal full spot with Mr. BMW? Two sharing a car spot, or are you in a pseudo spot? Depending on the person a note may make it hostile, but I have found that a face to face discussion of the problem will probably keep everyone happy. Unless Mr. Honda is a psycho, which he may very well be. Then again, she may be parking like that just to get close to you, since bikes turn her on. Of course, she too may be bat-shit crazy. So, you have a 25% chance of a friendly end to the situation, a 25% chance to a man on man fight, a 25% chance of a date and a 25% chance of some sort of boiled rabbit episode next weekend. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 17:16:22 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:16:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Bike Etiquette - Advice At 03:51 PM 6/21/2006, Mike B. wrote: >...and if they aren't, they're probably richer... How does that follow? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 17:27:51 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:27:39 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Bike Etiquette - Advice On 6/21/06, ll wrote: > At 03:51 PM 6/21/2006, Mike B. wrote: > > >...and if they aren't, they're probably richer... > > How does that follow? Duh. Everyone knows only doctors, dentists and literal-minded pedants with pituitary gland disorders ride HDs these days. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 17:28:32 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:28:25 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Bike Parking Etiquette Yeah, just when you've got a good thing going, some knucklehead has to come along and ruin it. I suppose a nice cheery note, in grease pencil, might be beyond the pale. :) Probably, it's more the case of someone who has recently started riding to work and doesn't know the "rules" just yet. A gentle reminder is in order. Might you also cite this "overcrowding" as a means to get the garage management to wall off some more bike-only spaces? BTW, Ride To Work Day is July 19th, four weeks from today. www.ridetowork.org -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 18:01:57 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:01:49 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] movie trailer The Doctor, The Tornado and the Kentucky Kid. Cool. http://www.dtkmovie.com/trailer.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 19:45:40 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:48:06 -0400 To: "Radio Waves" , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Bike Etiquette - Advice At 6/21/2006 05:27 PM, Radio Waves wrote: >On 6/21/06, ll wrote: >>At 03:51 PM 6/21/2006, Mike B. wrote: >> >> >...and if they aren't, they're probably richer... >> >>How does that follow? > >Duh. Everyone knows only doctors, dentists and literal-minded pedants >with pituitary gland disorders ride HDs these days. Nah, there are also business owners, upper level bureaucrats, lawyers, and even a few of us techie types. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 19:45:40 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:45:24 -0400 To: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Bike Etiquette - Advice At 6/21/2006 05:16 PM, ll wrote: >At 03:51 PM 6/21/2006, Mike B. wrote: > >>...and if they aren't, they're probably richer... > >How does that follow? Go price Harleys... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 22:56:25 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I guess I should have mentioned that some HOG riders somehow manage to park their steeds just fine in the very narrow parking spots that comprise the Pentagon MC parking lot. It's these CGN yahoo's who can't master a basic skill. Then again I do occassionally see a bike parked in such a way to take up 2 or 3 Pentagon spots. Guess what brand of bike it is... Yup, every damn time. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 21 23:50:17 2006 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:50:04 -0700 (PDT) From: MOFO_Load To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] FS - Craigslist in DC FYI. http://tinyurl.com/mea4v and... http://tinyurl.com/np2fg If interested, send email via Craigslist Thank you, Mr. Load __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 22 09:00:05 2006 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:59:52 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Bike Etiquette - Advice On 6/21/06, Radio Waves wrote: > On 6/21/06, ll wrote: > > At 03:51 PM 6/21/2006, Mike B. wrote: > > > > >...and if they aren't, they're probably richer... > > > > How does that follow? > > Duh. Everyone knows only doctors, dentists and literal-minded pedants > with pituitary gland disorders ride HDs these days. I really laughed out loud when I read this reply. :-) Mike, stop drinking the kool-aid. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 22 10:52:52 2006 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:52:45 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Puh-Leasing the Dragon and western NC FYI from Sabmag: "this just came on the T.W.O. list. just thought some of you may be interested -- especially those headed to the hunts' here in a few weeks." Hey Michael Jordan, How was the Horizons Unlimited shindig? Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 22 11:05:39 2006 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:05:05 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Puh-Leasing the Dragon and western NC > "this just came on the T.W.O. list. just thought some of you may be > interested -- especially those headed to the hunts' here in a few > weeks." Speed limits on 129 & the Cherohala Skyway are 30 MPH in Tennesee and 45 in NC. It appears that Tennesee wants a bigger stick to hit you with. 30 is absurd (as evidenced by the increase as soon as you cross the state line). > Hey Michael Jordan, How was the Horizons Unlimited shindig? Fun and informative, as usual. Nice digs at the Iron Horse M/C campground, if a bit pricey. You missed a great presentation on riding in Europe presented by a prominent DC-Cycles member, though. 19 more days until the next fact-finding expedition into the French Alps :-) And then another couple of months paying for it :-( -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 22 13:59:21 2006 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:56:54 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] "Man killed by lightning while riding motorcycle" http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=f9e2abf3-0abe-421a-004d-866312a8caa8&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 22 14:05:44 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] "Man killed by lightning while riding motorcycle" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:03:56 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , That _SUCKS Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] "Man killed by lightning while riding motorcycle" http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=f9e2abf3-0abe -421a-004d-866312a8caa8&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 22 17:43:37 2006 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:43:25 -0400 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Crash video http://tinyurl.com/pr2n4 Since people tend to pass this stuff around on the list.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 22 19:18:27 2006 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:18:15 -0400 From: "\"Steven Di Pietro" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] 142 MPH, 2 State Police Chase http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2108478&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312 -- Steven C. Di Pietro A Private Process Server covering Anne Arundel County, Md. ................................. AMA ABATE Suzuki Owners Club - USA #100001 1983 Suzuki GS650GL "Bug Slayer" 1987 Suzuki GV1400GDH Cavalcade LXE From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 01:31:10 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:30:54 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] F. Karma So I have been taking care of my and off g-friend who can't move for one week. Every meal, every piece of laundry...making the place spotless for when her parents arrive. Coming home tonight from bartending despite my best efforts in this weather- massive wipe out at less than 25 miles per hour. Broken clutch lever; broken front turn signal; two front fairings banged up; who knows what else.....sore back; hamstring and left leg picking up the mofo soaking R1. Hell ride home; soaking wet in office - thought electrocution for sure....sore shoulder...happy to be alive....passing out soaking wet on office couch.F....Karma Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 02:08:38 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:11:21 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma At 6/23/2006 01:30 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > >Coming home tonight from bartending >despite my best efforts in this weather- massive wipe out at less than >25 miles per hour. Ouch.... >Broken clutch lever; broken front turn signal; two >front fairings banged up; who knows what else.....sore back; hamstring >and left leg picking up the mofo soaking R1. Hell ride home; soaking >wet in office - thought electrocution for sure....sore shoulder...happy >to be alive....passing out soaking wet on office couch.F....Karma The bike doesn't sound too bad...is there someone around to watch out for you for a while? You didn't get whacked in the head in all that did you? The "passing out" thing is worrisome....if it's just fatigue and stress from a long day and a bad evening, ok, but if you might have a concussion, might be best to go find an ER...especially if you are by yourself at the moment. If it's just the muscles hurting, you know what to do about that. Hope it feels better in the morning. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 07:27:37 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:27:29 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma On 6/23/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > So I have been taking care of my and off g-friend who can't move for one > week. Every meal, every piece of laundry...making the place spotless > for when her parents arrive. Coming home tonight from bartending > despite my best efforts in this weather- massive wipe out at less than > 25 miles per hour. Broken clutch lever; broken front turn signal; two > front fairings banged up; who knows what else.....sore back; hamstring > and left leg picking up the mofo soaking R1. Hell ride home; soaking > wet in office - thought electrocution for sure....sore shoulder...happy > to be alive....passing out soaking wet on office couch.F....Karma That sucks, Julian. I was out riding last night, but made it home just as the big storm hit. I was thinking of that MC rider that was recently struck by lightning as I watched all the strikes around me. Hope you feel better. If you need help with the bike, just post up. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 08:16:46 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:15:58 -0400 From: skip To: Julian Halton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma X-Spam-Level: *** X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1562/Fri Jun 23 03:50:07 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean damn damn damn. no good deed goes unpunished. heal well... --skip Julian Halton wrote: > > > > So I have been taking care of my and off g-friend who can't move for one > week. Every meal, every piece of laundry...making the place spotless > for when her parents arrive. Coming home tonight from bartending > despite my best efforts in this weather- massive wipe out at less than > 25 miles per hour. Broken clutch lever; broken front turn signal; two > front fairings banged up; who knows what else.....sore back; hamstring > and left leg picking up the mofo soaking R1. Hell ride home; soaking > wet in office - thought electrocution for sure....sore shoulder...happy > to be alive....passing out soaking wet on office couch.F....Karma > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 08:53:59 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:53:45 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "skip" , "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] The details Finished my shift early on account of lack of business. Stepped outside of the bar with a friend of mine and it was completely dry. I walked him over to a local Bethesda watering hole - Tommy Joes. Place was quiet. My first inkling of trouble was a leaky roof. When I stuck my head out, I was shocked at the amount of water coming down. Having ridden through snow; hail and everything else I was not that concerned. After reading the article about the lightning strike - I admit it crossed my mind. Within seconds of being on the bike, I was absolutely soaked. Hydro-planing everywhere - I gingerly made my way back towards Arlington. I could not see jack so had to flip my visor up just to see. I made it down Arlington blvd; Little Falls road and Massachusetts avenue. I was in the turning circle to get onto Loughboro and my rear wheel went. I tried to keep the bike upright but there was no way. The MSF approved back the bike up pick up method went out the window. I am a strong guy but in the storm it took my three tries to lift the bike up. Gimped home. Lesson learned to me - next time sleep in a parking lot and know that I am not invincible and some weather is not worth venturing out in. Thanks for the kind e-mails all. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 09:24:33 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:24:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details To: DC Cycles >From: Julian Halton >Date: Fri Jun 23 07:53:45 CDT 2006 >To: skip , DC Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] The details > Finished my shift early on account of lack of business. Man, that sucks Julian. I'm glad to hear though that you're not seriously hurt and the bike isn't seriously damaged. On a more somber note... A co-worker's cousin was killed a couple of days ago near Pa Ave and Suitland Pkwy. Apparently took a turn too fast (he was well known for his squidly behavior), and lost it. He was found over 100 feet from his bike. It took nearly an hour for them to find his leg. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 11:26:00 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:28:37 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details At 6/23/2006 08:53 AM, Julian Halton wrote: >outside of the bar with a friend of mine and it was completely dry. >I walked him over to a local Bethesda watering hole - Tommy Joes. Place >was quiet. My first inkling of trouble was a leaky roof. >When I stuck my head out, I was shocked at the amount of water coming >down. The weather folks haven't been very useful for the last few years. If you check out the web-weather sites, most of this week, through Sunday, was supposed to be continuous Noah weather...but other than the storm last night, and a sprinkle yesterday morning out of some overcast, it's been dry and sunny here all week (as it is right now)...the best method I've found to know what's *really* likely to happen is to look out the window...and at the radar maps on the web...and realize that normal summer weather around here includes "pop-up" thunderstorms late in the day fairly often. Typical thunderstorms start with a sudden gust of wind (the "gust front"), and then shortly after (usually within 10 minutes), torrential rain. This doesn't last too long, so just stopping somewhere (get dinner, do some shopping, take a nap) will let you avoid the worst of it. If it's a "pop-up" storm, the rain will probably end completely within 30 minutes and it will go back to being nice out. If it's embedded in general rainy weather (like a cold front), it will at least taper off to a steady drizzle, which is easier to cope with than the downpour. Unless it's an emergency, or there's no place to pull off, trying to ride in a thunderstorm is just not a good idea...as you've learned. I've been in a couple associated with dying hurricanes that weren't smart to *drive* in either. When your windshield wipers are just a black line on frosted glass and you can barely make out the brake lights of the car in front of you, it's a bad time to be driving! >After reading the article about the lightning strike - >I admit it crossed my mind. Lightning can strike up to 20 miles from a large thunderstorm, so even if it isn't raining yet where you are, you can still get hit. While I've never seen anyone using the advice, I've read that if you can't get out of the storm completely, you should park the bike, get at least 50' away from it, and crouch down with just your feet on the ground and your head tucked...unless you can find a ditch to lie down in. The idea is to not be the highest thing around, and if you can't arrange that, at least minimize ground contact, height and sharp points aimed up. Hope you are less sore than you feared and that the bike repairs go smoothly and quickly. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 13:36:10 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:37:15 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Julian Halton wrote: > Coming home tonight from bartending > despite my best efforts in this weather- massive wipe out at less than > 25 miles per hour. > > > I don't read the list too much lately (although I LMAO at Troutman's reply to the bike parking post), so I tend to just skim the list...but I have a question...it seems like you have a lot of "incidents"...Maybe I have skimmed too much and some of them were friends of yours and you were just passing the info along as a story, but it seems like a lot of your posts involve some crazy stuff regarding bikes. Please don't get mad when I ask this, but it's the girl in me coming out concerned for your safety (and others)...have you taken an MSF class? Maybe a brush up of skills might help you avoid some of these problems? Like I said, forgive me if I mis-posted after just skimming your stories, but goodness...I've been on this list a while and have never seen one person have so much misfortune! Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 13:39:19 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:40:35 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: "'Julian Halton'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma P.S.] I forgot to say that I hope that you are ok! (and the bike as well!) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 14:18:49 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:18:08 -0400 From: skip To: "Mike B." , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details X-Spam-Level: *** X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1562/Fri Jun 23 03:50:07 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean "Mike B." wrote: > > Lightning can strike up to 20 miles from a large thunderstorm, so even if > it isn't raining yet where you are, you can still get hit. I used to have a fairly cavalier attitude about lightning. Then about a year ago i was sitting on my front stoop in herndon. there was a storm pretty far off towards vienna/fairfax. I couldn't see any of the lightning from it, but i could hear thunder. the sky above me was clear. all of a sudden, -BLAM-.... lightning, maybe 200 yds away. i nearly soiled my pants. thinking that that had to just be the weirdest thing I'd seen, I remained on the stoop. 2-3 minutes later, -BLAM- another bolt of lightning from a clear blue sky, but this one was within 50 yards of me. I have a lot more respect for the potential of a storm. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 14:30:38 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:31:19 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Laura Roach" Cc: I took the MSF course right from the get-go. I have had one bike knocked over, I low-sided coming out of Turn 1 in Summit Point and I went down yesterday in some heavy weather. I have lost wallets and the like and that is my own fault. I think of myself as a fairly capable rider - have ridden to Montreal and back on a 600 cc sport bike and log about 15000 miles a year. Draw your own conclusions. A few people on this list have ridden with me. I would hope that you would ride with me before judging my skill level. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Laura Roach [mailto:laura@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Julian Halton wrote: > Coming home tonight from bartending > despite my best efforts in this weather- massive wipe out at less > than > 25 miles per hour. > > > I don't read the list too much lately (although I LMAO at Troutman's reply to the bike parking post), so I tend to just skim the list...but I have a question...it seems like you have a lot of "incidents"...Maybe I have skimmed too much and some of them were friends of yours and you were just passing the info along as a story, but it seems like a lot of your posts involve some crazy stuff regarding bikes. Please don't get mad when I ask this, but it's the girl in me coming out concerned for your safety (and others)...have you taken an MSF class? Maybe a brush up of skills might help you avoid some of these problems? Like I said, forgive me if I mis-posted after just skimming your stories, but goodness...I've been on this list a while and have never seen one person have so much misfortune! Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 15:17:45 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:19:30 -0400 To: skip , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details At 6/23/2006 02:18 PM, skip wrote: >lightning from it, but i could hear thunder. the sky above me was >clear. all of a sudden, -BLAM-.... lightning, maybe 200 yds away. i >nearly soiled my pants. thinking that that had to just be the weirdest >thing I'd seen, I remained on the stoop. 2-3 minutes later, -BLAM- >another bolt of lightning from a clear blue sky, but this one was within >50 yards of me. Umm...Skip? You didn't, by any chance, hear the words, "Damn! Missed again!" coming down from on high, did you? Closest I've ever been to a strike was when I was a kid in Va. Beach. A bolt hit a tree on the next block (about 100 yards away). The power ran down the tree, vaporizing the sap and blowing the bark off the tree (it fell, sap still boiling, on the family car...where it stuck *solid*. Insurance repainted the car). The strike left the tree in the roots and found the water or sewer main to the house, went in and blew out a TV set...but failed to electrocute the owner, who was in the shower at the time. I've read about a guy who was inside a building, watching a storm through a window that opened onto a porch, who was killed when the strike came in through the window and hit one of them. And about a park ranger who has been hit 7 times and is still around to talk about it. Once he was in his pickup truck, another time he got thrown about 50' and had his shoe blown off, buy only had a small burn on his shoulder and foot so show for it. There's just no predicting the details of what a lightning strike will do. Best to be elsewhere if you can arrange it. http://www.ucar.edu/communications/infopack/lightning/faq.html for more info and advice. -- Mike B. -- He who hesitates is probably right. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 15:49:43 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:51:23 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Julian Halton Cc: Laura Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Julian Halton wrote: > > I took the MSF course right from the get-go. I have had one bike > knocked over, I low-sided coming out of Turn 1 in Summit Point and > I went down yesterday in some heavy weather. I have lost wallets and > the like and that is my own fault. I think of myself as a fairly > capable rider - have ridden to Montreal and back on a 600 cc sport bike > and log about 15000 miles a year. Draw your own conclusions. > > A few people on this list have ridden with me. I would hope that you > would ride with me before judging my skill level. > > I wasn't judging your skill level at all...just saying for one person you've had some real unfortunate mishaps...just threw the MSF class out there as a thought. Not as a judge of whether you were at fault/not at fault or capable/incapable. I'm glad to see you have taken the MSF class...there are too many out there that have not. Doesn't look like I'll be riding with you, though, because we live in Delaware, and not to mention we really don't ride on the street too much anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track is. Once again, wasn't judging your skill level...just saying you've had a lot of misfortunes for one person. Keeping my fingers crossed that your luck changes! :) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 15:55:43 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:56:27 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Laura Roach" Cc: Sorry Laura if I came across as pissy - Not the best day out...I actually had your husband check out my suspension at a Coleman's track day and almost came to a barbeque.. Good to know you both and again I am just not happy because banged up plastics = minus dollars. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Laura Roach [mailto:laura@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: Laura Roach; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Julian Halton wrote: > > I took the MSF course right from the get-go. I have had one bike > knocked over, I low-sided coming out of Turn 1 in Summit Point and I > went down yesterday in some heavy weather. I have lost wallets and > the like and that is my own fault. I think of myself as a fairly > capable rider - have ridden to Montreal and back on a 600 cc sport > bike and log about 15000 miles a year. Draw your own conclusions. > > A few people on this list have ridden with me. I would hope that you > would ride with me before judging my skill level. > > I wasn't judging your skill level at all...just saying for one person you've had some real unfortunate mishaps...just threw the MSF class out there as a thought. Not as a judge of whether you were at fault/not at fault or capable/incapable. I'm glad to see you have taken the MSF class...there are too many out there that have not. Doesn't look like I'll be riding with you, though, because we live in Delaware, and not to mention we really don't ride on the street too much anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track is. Once again, wasn't judging your skill level...just saying you've had a lot of misfortunes for one person. Keeping my fingers crossed that your luck changes! :) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 16:00:30 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:53:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] The details To: DC Cycles >From: "Mike B." >Date: Fri Jun 23 14:19:30 CDT 2006 >To: skip , DC Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details >http://www.ucar.edu/communications/infopack/lightning/faq.html for more >info and advice. > one of the things I find facinating is that lightning is actually *two* bolts. One from the clouds and the other from a ground object converging at a point several feet above ground level. It's the upward bolt that actually causes the most damage and noise. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 16:16:47 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:18:34 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Julian Halton Cc: Laura Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Julian Halton wrote: > Sorry Laura if I came across as pissy - > Not the best day out...I actually had your husband check out my > suspension at a Coleman's track day and almost came to a barbeque.. Good > to know you both and again I am just not happy because banged up > plastics = minus dollars. > > > No worries. I completely understand. I've been there before. Trust me. Between Roach and I we've had our share of mishaps and they are never cheap! Good luck getting everything squared away and keep the rubber side down. ;) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 17:27:01 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:26:54 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] sidecar class Can someone repost the information about the sidecar class (date, contact info)? Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 17:44:30 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:44:18 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Aaron Maurer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] sidecar class Cc: DCcycles It's at NVCC Loudoun. July 14-15-16. You might want to act soon. Corbett posted that it will be cancelled if they don't get some more subscribers. www.nvcc.edu (it's not easy to find the MC classes on the web) It's a pain, but you must have a student ID (emplID) before you can register. Once you have the emplID (must navigate three or four screens to get one) you can call the office at 703-450-2551 I'm still on the fence. That weekend is looking kind of busy. :-\ On 6/23/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Can someone repost the information about the sidecar class (date, contact info)? > > Thanks, > > Aaron > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 18:48:23 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:47:40 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: skip skip@XXXXXX > "Mike B." wrote: > > > > Lightning can strike up to 20 miles from a large thunderstorm, so even if > > it isn't raining yet where you are, you can still get hit. > the sky above me was > clear. all of a sudden, -BLAM-.... lightning, maybe 200 yds away. > 2-3 minutes later, -BLAM- > another bolt of lightning from a clear blue sky, but this one was within > 50 yards of me. The leading and trailing edge of the storm is where the most lightning lives. And it is bad, BAD news on a bike where your head is usually the tallest thing around. John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 19:04:42 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:04:14 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Laura Roach >. wasn't > judging your skill level...just saying you've had a lot of misfortunes > for one person. I for one read Laura’s post as a concerned friend asking a legitimate question. You should be glad you have such people looking out for you. > Keeping my fingers crossed that your luck changes! :) Luck? If you are counting on luck you are screwed #:-)> BTW hydroplaning on a bike is damn near impossible if your tires have any tread left (I assume they are good) as a result I was more or less wondering the same thing as Laura. And like Laura no insult is intended, I just hate reading “I crashed” postings. -- John Walters 99 Honda St1100 83 BMW R80RT (Over 200,000 mi.) 76 Honda CR250M From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 20:14:03 2006 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:16:35 -0400 To: penguinbiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details At 6/23/2006 06:47 PM, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: >The leading and trailing edge of the storm is where the most lightning lives. >And it is bad, BAD news on a bike where your head is usually the tallest >thing around. And lest anyone think that the rubber tires between you and the ground will help at all, keep in mind that the bolt has already covered several thousand feet of open air to get to you from the cloud, so another couple of feet to bypass your "insulators" won't make any noticeable difference in the results. -- Mike B. -- Maybe if we made a giant badger.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 23 23:06:55 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:06:46 -0400 To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details At 08:16 PM 6/23/2006, Mike B. wrote: >Maybe if we made a giant badger.... ...but they left out the Gorge of Eternal Peril. 8;( -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 24 00:38:06 2006 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:36:50 -0400 To: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details At 6/23/2006 11:06 PM, ll wrote: >At 08:16 PM 6/23/2006, Mike B. wrote: >>Maybe if we made a giant badger.... > >...but they left out the Gorge of Eternal Peril. 8;( I figured someone would catch the reference. ;-) What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite motorcycle? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 24 08:44:14 2006 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:44:05 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So how did it go? did you leave a note? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jun 24 13:57:32 2006 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up this statement? Glenn --- Laura Roach wrote: , and not to mention we really don't ride on > the street too much > anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track > is. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 25 00:41:03 2006 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:40:51 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details Cc: "DC Cycles" Will you all stay on topic.. take all this lighting talk off list!!!!! j/k so is a car good or not good lightening protection? also Julian, you may consider not using first gear when the ground is wet and stay in low RPM's..shifting early.. to avoid tire spin. So what's the damage? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 25 06:34:03 2006 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:33:40 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The details > And lest anyone think that the rubber tires between you and the ground will > help at all, keep in mind that the bolt has already covered several > thousand feet of open air to get to you from the cloud, so another couple > of feet to bypass your "insulators" won't make any noticeable difference in > the results. Not to mention that the open air is a MUCH better insulator than the rubber tire. Air has a dielectric constant (lower is better) of 1.00054. Butyl rubber has a D.C. of 2.35. Water has a D.C. of about 80, so if your tires are wet (probable in a thunderstorm)... -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 25 20:30:00 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:29:36 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] More on Ben Here's an NYT take on various risk/reward aspects of the Roethlisberger event. It doesn't seem to cover much new ground but for anyone parsing the sociological aspects several professionals weigh in on this 1/3 pager. The Superstar Athlete Is Paid to Take Risks, Right? http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40813F83A550C7B8DDDAF0894DE 404482 Sorry, a windsurfing trip caused a pileup in my inbox so this last week's piece may cost a few dollars to access. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > No rewards w/o risks. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jun 25 22:31:39 2006 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:31:26 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Frederick County Choppers http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/25/AR2006062500736.html On a more personal m/c related note, I adjusted my valves for the second time this weekend (BMW R1150GS) -- it gets easier with practice apparently. The first time I definitely left them too loose. This time it sounds (and feels) spot on. Stay dry. -Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 26 10:37:24 2006 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:40:25 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Yes, I definitely believe that statement wholeheartedly. I have seen tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with nothing more than a scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get into nasty accidents due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't avoid. On the track, there is rarely anything to hit, which is one of the biggest causes of death to motorcyclists on the street. Everyone is going the same direction, there is runoff so you don't hit anything, everyone is decked out in full protection, ambulance is standing by right there...can't say the same on the street. The street is full of cage riders that don't pay attention to motorcyclists. I have had more close calls in one ride to work on my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps on the track. There are less variables on the track to cause injury or death than there are on the street. Laura Glenn Dysart wrote: > Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up this > statement? > > Glenn > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > , and not to mention we really don't ride on > >> the street too much >> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track >> is. >> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 26 11:02:11 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Frederick County Choppers Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:01:56 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Aaron Maurer" amaurer@XXXXXX > On a more personal m/c related note, I adjusted my valves for the > second time this weekend (BMW R1150GS) -- it gets easier with practice > apparently. The first time I definitely left them too loose. This > time it sounds (and feels) spot on. Here is a trick for developing a “feel” for feeler gauges. Get (borrow, buy, whatever) a micrometer. Set the micrometer to whatever the feeler gauge you are using is _using the dial_ on the micrometer. Now slide the feeler gauge through the micrometer. The resistance you feel is _just_ right. (It does get tricky if you have to bend or slide the feeler gauge at an angle through the valve gap, but that is another story.) -- John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 26 11:15:29 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:16:16 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Laura Roach" , "Glenn Dysart" Cc: Now if I could only figure out the traction limits of my front tire on the track - it would be a cheaper hobby :) After about a year to reflect I think I may have figured out my mistake... I was past the apex of Turn 1 Summit Point and well-leaned over on an R6..I think I may have opened the throttle up before standing the bike up. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Laura Roach [mailto:laura@XXXXXX] To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Yes, I definitely believe that statement wholeheartedly. I have seen tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with nothing more than a scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get into nasty accidents due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't avoid. On the track, there is rarely anything to hit, which is one of the biggest causes of death to motorcyclists on the street. Everyone is going the same direction, there is runoff so you don't hit anything, everyone is decked out in full protection, ambulance is standing by right there...can't say the same on the street. The street is full of cage riders that don't pay attention to motorcyclists. I have had more close calls in one ride to work on my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps on the track. There are less variables on the track to cause injury or death than there are on the street. Laura Glenn Dysart wrote: > Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up this statement? > > Glenn > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > , and not to mention we really don't ride on > >> the street too much >> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track is. >> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 26 11:19:46 2006 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:19:35 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "penguinbiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Frederick County Choppers Cc: "B-DC cycles" I'll have to try that. Also, I noticed that the "feel" changes depending on how oily the feeler/valve is. On 6/26/06, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Aaron Maurer" amaurer@XXXXXX > > > On a more personal m/c related note, I adjusted my valves for the > > second time this weekend (BMW R1150GS) -- it gets easier with practice > > apparently. The first time I definitely left them too loose. This > > time it sounds (and feels) spot on. > > Here is a trick for developing a "feel" for feeler gauges. > Get (borrow, buy, whatever) a micrometer. > Set the micrometer to whatever the feeler gauge you are using is _using the dial_ on the micrometer. Now slide the feeler gauge through the micrometer. > The resistance you feel is _just_ right. > > (It does get tricky if you have to bend or slide the feeler gauge at an angle through the valve gap, but that is another story.) > -- > > > John W. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 26 12:44:02 2006 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:43:41 -0400 From: "John M. Stafford" To: dc-cycles Mailing List , DC-MD-PA-VA Scooters Mailing List , Saints SC Mailing List Subject: [dc-cycles] Promote Two-Wheel Commuting Options Today the Washington Post started a new feature called Page Three (Page 3 of the Metro section) where they want people to write in about their commutes. Well if you commute using a scooter or motorcycle and feel that it improves your commute then tell the Post about it: "Send your drive-times tales -- in 100 words or fewer -- to PageThreeATwashpostDOTcom, or mail them to Page Three, Metro Department, The Washington Post, 1150 15th St. NW, Washington, DC 20071. Please include your phone number. Have tips? Know a better route for commuters? Send us those too, and we'll share them." Enjoy, John M. Stafford From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 26 15:55:35 2006 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:54:47 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Aaron Maurer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Shim-o-logy 101 Cc: "penguinbiker@XXXXXX" , "B-DC cycles" On 6/26/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > I'll have to try that. Also, I noticed that the "feel" changes > depending on how oily the feeler/valve is. > > On 6/26/06, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Aaron Maurer" amaurer@XXXXXX > > > > > On a more personal m/c related note, I adjusted my valves for the > > > second time this weekend (BMW R1150GS) -- it gets easier with practice > > > apparently. The first time I definitely left them too loose. This > > > time it sounds (and feels) spot on. > > Subject line changed. Dunno nuthin' about bimmers, but if your bike has shim-type adjustment like both of mine, *don't* trust the measurements etched on the shims, especially if your bike is second-hand with a potentially sketchy maintenance history. (Since valve clearance tends to tighten with age, some tightwads/shadetree mechanics have been known to slim down their shims. Easier to do with the button-sized VFR ones, rather than the quarter-sized KLR shims). They can also be off from the factory. For peace of mind double-check the shim thickness with a micrometer *before* you get the new shims and when you receive the new ones. And, as with most things in life, good record-keeping makes swapping shims less of a chore. I've got all the shim sizes on the bikes recorded, so if any are out of spec. I don't need to pull off the camshafts and buckets (VFR) or just the camshafts (KLR) to discover the sizes. I know what I need after measuring the clearance. Usually I can move things around and only need a couple of new shims every 20k. Having 16 of those critters on the Viffer tends to focus the mind on making the task as easy as possible. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jun 26 19:45:27 2006 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:45:16 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just read about the rain incident. That sucks. maybe you should consider a beater bike, and or lower CC bike to do all of your commuting? It would be better on gas, insurance, and in the rain. Then you can keep the r1 pretty and ride it for more applicable situations. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 11:13:05 2006 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma To: Danny Motorcycle , Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just curious how the size of the motor has anything at allto do with how well the bike handles in the rain? My ZRX1200 does wonderfully in rain, as well as many other not-so-ideal road conditions. Much better than my EX500 used to... More important maybe would be to equip a "commuter" sportbike with sport-touring tires instead of tires more oriented to warmer temps and track conditions. My Pilot-Roads have been treating me very well. - Jimmy --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Just read about the rain incident. That sucks. maybe you should > consider a beater bike, and or lower CC bike to do all of your > commuting? It would be better on gas, insurance, and in the rain. > Then you can keep the r1 pretty and ride it for more applicable > situations. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 12:30:14 2006 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Team promotion track day July 3,4 - Summit Main anyone want my spot? my leg isn't healing very fast at all and no way can I ride. I have to cancel by today I think. $300 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 12:48:39 2006 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:48:35 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Julian Halton Cc: Laura Roach , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Julian Halton wrote: > > Now if I could only figure out the traction limits of my front tire on > the track - it would be a cheaper hobby :) > After about a year to reflect I think I may have figured out my > mistake... > I was past the apex of Turn 1 Summit Point and well-leaned over on an > R6..I think I may have opened the throttle up before standing the bike > up. > > > To be honest, your mistake is more likely that you were NOT on the gas, which would have settled the suspension from riding on the front tire. The bike can absolutely handle being on the gas while leaned over....trust me. Most low sides in that turn occur when someone isn't on the gas. Just some food for thought now that you thought you had your situation all figured out. ;) ;) ;) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 13:18:57 2006 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:13:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >To be honest, your mistake is more likely that you were NOT on the gas, >which would have settled the suspension from riding on the front tire. >The bike can absolutely handle being on the gas while leaned >over....trust me. Most low sides in that turn occur when someone isn't >on the gas. Just some food for thought now that you thought you had your >situation all figured out. ;) ;) ;) > >Laura Ah..the poetry of the graceful art of motorcycle racing. I'm always impressed how easy they make it seem. Meanwhile, here I am, cigar firmly planted between teeth, leaning WAY over on my Harley, sparks a flyin' and my speedo firmly pegged at 25mph LOL. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 13:26:27 2006 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:26:17 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Laura Roach" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: "Julian Halton" , "Glenn Dysart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wonder if he meant "wacked the throttle"? I also wonder if he was hangin off the bike or not? On 6/27/06, Laura Roach wrote: > Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Now if I could only figure out the traction limits of my front tire on > > the track - it would be a cheaper hobby :) > > After about a year to reflect I think I may have figured out my > > mistake... > > I was past the apex of Turn 1 Summit Point and well-leaned over on an > > R6..I think I may have opened the throttle up before standing the bike > > up. > > > > > > > To be honest, your mistake is more likely that you were NOT on the gas, > which would have settled the suspension from riding on the front tire. > The bike can absolutely handle being on the gas while leaned > over....trust me. Most low sides in that turn occur when someone isn't > on the gas. Just some food for thought now that you thought you had your > situation all figured out. ;) ;) ;) > > Laura > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 13:28:09 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:28:52 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Danny Motorcycle" , "Laura Roach" Cc: "Glenn Dysart" , I opened up the throttle but have not been in the habit of whacking it. As to hanging off, that's is one of my problems; thanks to a trio of herniated disks I get a little stiff and I was not hanging off as much as I should have been. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Laura Roach Cc: Julian Halton; Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma I wonder if he meant "wacked the throttle"? I also wonder if he was hangin off the bike or not? On 6/27/06, Laura Roach wrote: > Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Now if I could only figure out the traction limits of my front tire > > on the track - it would be a cheaper hobby :) After about a year to > > reflect I think I may have figured out my mistake... > > I was past the apex of Turn 1 Summit Point and well-leaned over on > > an R6..I think I may have opened the throttle up before standing the > > bike up. > > > > > > > To be honest, your mistake is more likely that you were NOT on the > gas, which would have settled the suspension from riding on the front tire. > The bike can absolutely handle being on the gas while leaned > over....trust me. Most low sides in that turn occur when someone > isn't on the gas. Just some food for thought now that you thought you > had your situation all figured out. ;) ;) ;) > > Laura > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 13:29:43 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:30:30 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Danny Motorcycle" Cc: The Phantom Honda has left the building and my bike is in the shop for the time being. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bike Etiquette - Advice So how did it go? did you leave a note? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 14:33:26 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: adamme@XXXXXX At 01:13 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote: >Meanwhile, here I am, cigar firmly planted between teeth, leaning WAY over on >my Harley, sparks a flyin'... Dragging the tip of your cigar, I presume? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 16:08:36 2006 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] MCN april issue? the post office for some reason thought I had moved to Ft. Bragg. So I'm now missing a few issues of MCN. Anyone have April and if possible June so I can borrow them? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 16:43:16 2006 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:43:07 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 6/27/06, James O'Connor wrote: > Just curious how the size of the motor has anything at allto do with > how well the bike handles in the rain? My ZRX1200 does wonderfully > in rain, as well as many other not-so-ideal road conditions. Much > better than my EX500 used to... Well, a bigger motor means more torque, all things equal. Less than smooth application of big torque in the wet leads to a bike that won't stay under you. However, you can also get a good reduction of torque at the wheel by just sticking a gear or two higher whenever possible. > More important maybe would be to equip a "commuter" sportbike with > sport-touring tires instead of tires more oriented to warmer temps > and track conditions. My Pilot-Roads have been treating me very > well. Hmm. I thought the pilots were known for being a little squirrely when cold? I did burn up a set on a rental bike once and really liked them, but I recall them not feeling quite as confidence inspiring as the pirelli diablos I run on my own bike. > - Jimmy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jun 27 17:12:11 2006 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:11:55 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX pilot road's aren't ANYthing like the Pilot sportbike tire, IMO. The 'Roads are by far the best all around tire I've run to date. MeZ1,2,4 Mich Mac90x/100x Bridgestone BT-20 Pirelli GTS, Diablo Avon AzaroII Shinko 005 and a couple others I can't think of __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 07:48:10 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:47:58 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Blue DL650 On the Dulles Toll Road this morning, if you're on the list. Check your chain - you sounded a bit jangly when you passed me. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 08:35:31 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:35:15 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Test - sorry! Sorry for the test message, but Hotmail's new "Live Mail" is creating messages that are being rejected by the List. I have reverted back to the "old" Hotmail interface and am just trying to see if the message makes it through. No response is necessary. Perry _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 09:16:10 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma To: Radio Waves Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Danny and I have been debating this as well. I firmly believe there is only as much power and/or acceleration to the wheels as there is twist of the grip. If bike 1 requires more or less throttle to move X distance at X speed as compared to bike 2, then simply react appropriately. All else being equal and within the realm of reasonable, I don't think motor size or its power has anything to do with driveability. Whether any given rider has the self control to operate the bike appropriately is a different story. And I'm talking street riding, not WOT race conditions. Pilot Roads, not Pilot Powers. Riding on the street, year-round...I don't think a race tire would treat me right. - Jimmy --- Radio Waves wrote: > Well, a bigger motor means more torque, all things equal. Less > than > smooth application of big torque in the wet leads to a bike that > won't > stay under you. However, you can also get a good reduction of > torque > at the wheel by just sticking a gear or two higher whenever > possible. > Hmm. I thought the pilots were known for being a little squirrely > when cold? I did burn up a set on a rental bike once and really > liked > them, but I recall them not feeling quite as confidence inspiring > as > the pirelli diablos I run on my own bike. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 10:22:47 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:22:22 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Test - sorry! To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO If it's anything like AOhelL, it's being sent out in a hybrid HTML format which this list blocks. I have my AOhelL account set to send messages as Plain Text. Check your Hotmail settings to see if there is something similar. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Test - sorry! Sorry for the test message, but Hotmail's new "Live Mail" is creating messages that are being rejected by the List. I have reverted back to the "old" Hotmail interface and am just trying to see if the message makes it through. No response is necessary. Perry _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 10:25:44 2006 From: "Perry Coleman" To: Subject: RE: Re: [dc-cycles] Test - sorry! Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:25:31 -0400 Scooter, Yeah, I thought of that. I couldn't find anything in the interface or with their "help" so I've spent the last week or two going back and forth with their "support" (HA!) and the best they could come up with was to go back to the "Classic" view. That's where I am for now. Perry ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:22:22 -0400 > From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Test - sorry! > To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > If it's anything like AOhelL, it's being sent out in a hybrid HTML > format which this list blocks. I have my AOhelL account set to send > messages as Plain Text. Check your Hotmail settings to see if there is > something similar. > > Scooter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Perry Coleman > To: DC Cycles > Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:35:15 -0400 > Subject: [dc-cycles] Test - sorry! > > Sorry for the test message, but Hotmail's new "Live Mail" is creating > messages > that are being rejected by the List. I have reverted back to the "old" > Hotmail > interface and am just trying to see if the message makes it through. No > response > is necessary. > > Perry > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, > sports, > weather, and much more. > http://www.live.com/getstarted > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email > and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos, news, and blogs about the World Cup to your Live.com homepage! http://www.live.com/getstarted From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 12:00:15 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:00:06 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm glad to hear that you never turn the handle more or less than the ideal amount, but it does tend to happen to the rest of us (from moto gp riders, to icy-hot stuntaz, to sunday riders) every now and then. In the wet with a big motor and a quick throttle, relatively small levels of imprecision can have negative conseqeunces. Conversely, you might be able to spin up the rear tire on, say, a rebel 250, but I'm going to take a guess that it's not too likely to happen by accident in typical conditions. The tires I used were, as the other poster guessed, Pilot Sports. Do they really put Powers on rental bikes where you come from? Nice. Anyway, my bad for not having compiled and memorized tire suitability charts for the major manufacturers. On 6/28/06, James O'Connor wrote: > Danny and I have been debating this as well. I firmly believe there > is only as much power and/or acceleration to the wheels as there is > twist of the grip. If bike 1 requires more or less throttle to move > X distance at X speed as compared to bike 2, then simply react > appropriately. All else being equal and within the realm of > reasonable, I don't think motor size or its power has anything to do > with driveability. Whether any given rider has the self control to > operate the bike appropriately is a different story. And I'm talking > street riding, not WOT race conditions. > > Pilot Roads, not Pilot Powers. Riding on the street, year-round...I > don't think a race tire would treat me right. > > - Jimmy > > > --- Radio Waves wrote: > > > Well, a bigger motor means more torque, all things equal. Less > > than > > smooth application of big torque in the wet leads to a bike that > > won't > > stay under you. However, you can also get a good reduction of > > torque > > at the wheel by just sticking a gear or two higher whenever > > possible. > > > Hmm. I thought the pilots were known for being a little squirrely > > when cold? I did burn up a set on a rental bike once and really > > liked > > them, but I recall them not feeling quite as confidence inspiring > > as > > the pirelli diablos I run on my own bike. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 13:28:40 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:28:24 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! So, I'm in the typical 16th Street NW traffic one evening last month after doing the Ridge Rd loop in Rock Creek Park a few times. I was in some high volume traffic and felt a bump, and something hit my foot pretty hard. It sounded metal. I pulled the bike over, surveyed the damage and decided it was safe to continue. After all, if it hit my foot and didn't do any damage, there was no visible damage and I wasn't traveling quickly enough then how could it have hurt the bike? I went about my business, including a nice dinner with my fiancee at The Diner in Adams Morgan. Nice place, good meatloaf. I digress. So, I notice a puddle under my bike last week. The bike was leaking and I was having trouble identifying the source. It was definitely oil and that made me worry. I did as much checking as one could do (I park on the sidewalk) and couldn't find the source. I walked over to the BP on 18th, grabbed a couple of quarts of oil and poured them in. It took both! Impressive, considering the small size of the puddle. So, I added another half a quart and the bike read full. I checked my rear tire for oil residue then carefully rode it over to Coleman's. Fast-forward 4 days. I got a call from one of the mechanics today. He tells me that I "hit something" and that there was a golfball-sized gash on the bottom of my bike. He goes on to tell me that the entire engine casement needed to be replaced and that the bike shouldn't be ridden on. The repairs, including the $3k casement+ parts replacement, would cost me a total of about $6k!!!! So, I'm faced with a dilemma. I hit a piece of unidentifyable road debris at a slow rate of speed that hardly hurt my foot but almost completely destroyed my $8500 brand-new bike. The damage wasn't visible to me (I need to head over there and see it on a lift). I have no idea what to do next. The bike is insured fully. My deductible is $1k. However, it seems to me that the brunt of this is going to fall on my shoulders, not the irresponsible prick who dropped the debris on the road! Suggestions??? HELP!!?? -James 2006 S2R Monster Dark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 13:56:45 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:56:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: James G >Date: Wed Jun 28 12:28:24 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! >So, I'm in the typical 16th Street NW traffic one evening last month >after doing the Ridge Rd loop in Rock Creek Park a few times. First take a first hand look at the bike and see if there's any alternatives to replacing the casing (doubtful). If there isn't, then I'd recommend for you to call your insurance company. Let them decide if it's totalled or not. It *may* be covered under comprehensive and if you're lucky, there's little or no deductable and it won't have a negative impact on your premium. Either way, there's no way you can ride the bike in the condition it's in and you'd have to have a monsterous increase in premium to make up the $6k you'll putting out, out of pocket. As for the slight bump to your foot. It's very likely that the bump you felt was *after* the full force of the object hit your bike first. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 14:32:55 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:32:47 -0400 From: "Rob Keiser" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just based on something I've seen in the past, it could be possible something broke inside the motor and was "spit out" creating the damage. And I might guess that the small puddle you saw on the sidewalk was just what was left of the oil. You probably lost most of it at the time, or on the ride home. I'd be curious to hear what you see when you get to Coleman (no need to get into war stories here) with the bike on a lift. See if you can tell how the damage was created. You might have to let your insurance deal with it, but depending on your company, you might not get hit too hard with a rate hike. Just remember....things happen, and you're ok. Rob '98 VFR800 Germantown, MD On 6/28/06, James G wrote: > So, I'm in the typical 16th Street NW traffic one evening last month > after doing the Ridge Rd loop in Rock Creek Park a few times. I was > in some high volume traffic and felt a bump, and something hit my foot > pretty hard. It sounded metal. I pulled the bike over, surveyed the > damage and decided it was safe to continue. After all, if it hit my > foot and didn't do any damage, there was no visible damage and I > wasn't traveling quickly enough then how could it have hurt the bike? > I went about my business, including a nice dinner with my fiancee at > The Diner in Adams Morgan. Nice place, good meatloaf. > > I digress. So, I notice a puddle under my bike last week. The bike > was leaking and I was having trouble identifying the source. It was > definitely oil and that made me worry. I did as much checking as one > could do (I park on the sidewalk) and couldn't find the source. I > walked over to the BP on 18th, grabbed a couple of quarts of oil and > poured them in. It took both! Impressive, considering the small size > of the puddle. So, I added another half a quart and the bike read > full. I checked my rear tire for oil residue then carefully rode it > over to Coleman's. > > Fast-forward 4 days. I got a call from one of the mechanics today. > He tells me that I "hit something" and that there was a golfball-sized > gash on the bottom of my bike. He goes on to tell me that the entire > engine casement needed to be replaced and that the bike shouldn't be > ridden on. The repairs, including the $3k casement+ parts > replacement, would cost me a total of about $6k!!!! > > So, I'm faced with a dilemma. I hit a piece of unidentifyable road > debris at a slow rate of speed that hardly hurt my foot but almost > completely destroyed my $8500 brand-new bike. The damage wasn't > visible to me (I need to head over there and see it on a lift). I > have no idea what to do next. The bike is insured fully. My > deductible is $1k. However, it seems to me that the brunt of this is > going to fall on my shoulders, not the irresponsible prick who dropped > the debris on the road! > > Suggestions??? HELP!!?? > > -James > 2006 S2R Monster Dark > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 14:55:42 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:56:30 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Bikes and Dealers Coleman's. My take based on 4 yrs experience with them New bikes - they won't budge - no matter how many bikes you have bought from them - they offer bottom dollar on trade-ins - no "good customer" incentives Parts - The upcharge on parts can be as much as 100% - price them out, ask but realize they make significant profit Service - for my dollar un-paralleled EXAMPLE - I had a 400.00 service today. Little bit more than I had planned on. - this was an in the door out the door complete in three hours with no advance booking - I walked out the door paying 303.00 - time and time again, I have had a nail in my tire, a scheduled service and they have come through for me - EVERY TIME - Ask for Ed - 24 years in the army, now working on bikes since '89 At the end of each service, I get a printed page of notes; gotchas and pay attention If my tire pressures are low, I hear about it. On my first bike, I was doing a trip to Canada. I brought the bike in for an 8000 mile service and picked it up in the afternoon. If you have to pay for service, I can't imagine a better team of professionals. Heath is an assistant service manager there. Team Ed and Heath give me warm fuzzies when it comes to working on my bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 15:03:56 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:03:46 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! On 6/28/06, James G wrote: > So, I'm faced with a dilemma. I hit a piece of unidentifyable road > debris at a slow rate of speed that hardly hurt my foot but almost > completely destroyed my $8500 brand-new bike. The damage wasn't > visible to me (I need to head over there and see it on a lift). I > have no idea what to do next. The bike is insured fully. My > deductible is $1k. However, it seems to me that the brunt of this is > going to fall on my shoulders, not the irresponsible prick who dropped > the debris on the road! > > Suggestions??? HELP!!?? > > -James > 2006 S2R Monster Dark Did you buy at Colemans? Do you trust their mechanics? Might be worth it to have it trucked to another dealer/mechanic for a 2nd opinion. It should be very easy to tell is the damage was caused by something entering or exiting the motor :-) On a side note, I thought the S2R was $16k. I was drooling over an article on it in a recent bike rag. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 15:36:10 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:35:59 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber Helmet size XL Size XL Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber helmet, includes what is pictured here: http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/forumpics/vemar3.jpg Helmet w/clear visor, Vemar helmet bag, spare liner, cheek pads and breath guard. 2 more pics... http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/forumpics/vemar1.jpg http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/forumpics/vemar2.jpg Helmet is not new, but I have only worn it 8-10 times. Never dropped. $225 will deliver within reasonable distance or add in actual shipping costs. These helmets were $800+ new and $400+ on Ebay/discount retailers. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 15:38:51 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:38:44 -0400 From: Robert To: "Wayne Edelen" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber Helmet size XL Cc: DCCycles Does it fit Shoei heads, or Arai heads? Sharp looking helmet! Why are you getting rid of it? Robert On 6/28/06, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Size XL Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber helmet, includes what is pictured here: > > http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/forumpics/vemar3.jpg > > Helmet w/clear visor, Vemar helmet bag, spare liner, cheek pads and > breath guard. 2 more pics... > > http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/forumpics/vemar1.jpg > http://serenity.noid.org/~wayne/forumpics/vemar2.jpg > > > Helmet is not new, but I have only worn it 8-10 times. Never dropped. > > $225 will deliver within reasonable distance or add in actual shipping > costs. These helmets were $800+ new and $400+ on Ebay/discount > retailers. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jun 28 15:42:09 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:42:02 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber Helmet size XL On 6/28/06, Robert wrote: > Does it fit Shoei heads, or Arai heads? > > Sharp looking helmet! Why are you getting rid of it? > > Robert I really can't say which it fits, as I don't know which Shoei and Arai would fit my melon. I'm ditching it because I have 4 helmets and only 1 head :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 00:10:55 2006 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] looking for Honda CB750 ..had an beautiful, stock '81 Honda CB750K a little up until 4 years ago but sold it because I was lacking a garage. Now I've got plenty of garage and would like to put a CB750 back in it. If anyone has a 70's to early 80's CB750, or knows of one that might be purchased, let me know. -Corbett -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 09:17:35 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:15 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/28/06 > I'd be curious to hear what you see when you get to Coleman (no need > to get into war stories here) with the bike on a lift. See if you can > tell how the damage was created. Amen, brutha. I'll be doing that tomorrow. Photos will be posted to the list for general consumption. > Parts > - The upcharge on parts can be as much as 100% > - price them out, ask but realize they make significant profit > > Service > - for my dollar un-paralleled > EXAMPLE > - I had a 400.00 service today. Little bit more than I had planned on. > - this was an in the door out the door complete in three hours with no > advance booking > - I walked out the door paying 303.00 > > - time and time again, I have had a nail in my tire, a scheduled service > and they have come through for me - EVERY TIME > - Ask for Ed - 24 years in the army, now working on bikes since '89 I'm glad someone is backing those guys up. I've heard a lot of negative press about them. > On a side note, I thought the S2R was $16k. I was drooling over an > article on it in a recent bike rag. Nope, Ducati's Monster Dark S2R retails at about $8500. And yes, I drool over it as well. Of course, I drool over it less now that it spits out oil like a loon in Valdez. Here's a link to the bike: http://tinyurl.com/ntdw8 -James '06 S2R Monster Dark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 09:35:27 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:36:15 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Dealer Comparison For those curious: Yamaha Parts (assorted) Coleman's $2167,47 Ron Ayers $1575.55 (shipped) Zanotti Motors $1466,10 (shipped) Interesting. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 09:39:42 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:39:35 -0400 From: Robert To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dealer Comparison Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not precisely on topic (sorry, Julian!), but I was wondering if anyone had any feedback on Bob's BMW, in Columbia/Jessup (?) MD. I'm thinking of taking the plunge on a new ride, the R1200GS, and would appreciate any comments folks have for this dealership. Thanks, Robert On 6/29/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > For those curious: > > Yamaha Parts (assorted) > > Coleman's $2167,47 > Ron Ayers $1575.55 (shipped) > Zanotti Motors $1466,10 (shipped) > > Interesting. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 10:50:31 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:50:18 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dealer Comparison On 6/29/06, Robert wrote: > Not precisely on topic (sorry, Julian!), but I was wondering if anyone > had any feedback on Bob's BMW, in Columbia/Jessup (?) MD. Personal experience... I've only bought parts and accessories from them, but have had excellent treatment every time I've been. Definately one of the friendliest dealers in the area. Once they saw my FJR, they pointed me to the "BMW Equivalent" (don't remember what it was) and were happy to show me which parts of the design were better, but they also pointed out what was lacking on the beemers compared to the FJR (power - the feejer is a torque monster). I thought that was pretty cool of them... they were straight up about everything. Recommendations... I've heard a lot. Many serious distance riders use them for service and have no complaints. From what I've heard and seen, you can't go wrong with Bob's. Of course, you're going to pay a premium for any Beemer maintenance and service, but they sound like a good shop to dump your money into. > I'm thinking of taking the plunge on a new ride, the R1200GS, and > would appreciate any comments folks have for this dealership. I *think* that MCN and one of the more mainstream mags (forget which one) is doing a write up on the 1200 next month. Of course, I always get the beemer models mixed up so I could be thinking of a different bike. If it were me and I weren't in a hurry, I'd probably wait for MCN's article before jumping in. Of course, you may have already done all your research and know what you want. Good luck! --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 11:01:55 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:01:45 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/28/06 On 6/29/06, James G wrote: > > > On a side note, I thought the S2R was $16k. I was drooling over an > > article on it in a recent bike rag. > > Nope, Ducati's Monster Dark S2R retails at about $8500. And yes, I > drool over it as well. Of course, I drool over it less now that it > spits out oil like a loon in Valdez. > Here's a link to the bike: > > http://tinyurl.com/ntdw8 > > -James > '06 S2R Monster Dark Oops, I was thinking of the Monster S4 with the 999 mill, Ohlins, Brembo, Marchesini, etc :-) Still love the look of your ride, though. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 11:09:08 2006 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Dealer Comparison Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:08:21 -0400 For a beemer dealer, also check out Morton's in Fredericksburg. Very nice, knowledgeable folks. Zanotti's is cool for not beemers. We have one of the sales folk on our CBR list and he's a stitch. FWIW LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 11:30:26 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:30:13 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bikes and Dealers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My buddy took his R1 into coleman's at the warnings of all his friends. his clutches change change costs him like $900 because they told him he had clutch fibres in his engine and they needed to clean it out. lol On 6/28/06, Julian Halton wrote: > Coleman's. > > My take based on 4 yrs experience with them > > New bikes > - they won't budge - no matter how many bikes you have bought from them > - they offer bottom dollar on trade-ins > - no "good customer" incentives > > Parts > - The upcharge on parts can be as much as 100% > - price them out, ask but realize they make significant profit > > Service > - for my dollar un-paralleled > EXAMPLE > - I had a 400.00 service today. Little bit more than I had planned on. > - this was an in the door out the door complete in three hours with no > advance booking > - I walked out the door paying 303.00 > > - time and time again, I have had a nail in my tire, a scheduled service > and they have come through for me - EVERY TIME > - Ask for Ed - 24 years in the army, now working on bikes since '89 > > At the end of each service, I get a printed page of notes; gotchas and > pay attention > If my tire pressures are low, I hear about it. > > On my first bike, I was doing a trip to Canada. I brought the bike in > for an 8000 mile service and picked it up in the afternoon. > If you have to pay for service, I can't imagine a better team of > professionals. > > Heath is an assistant service manager there. Team Ed and Heath give me > warm fuzzies when it comes to working on my bike > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 11:42:58 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:42:43 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: $6k bike repair - OUCH! "Rob Keiser" insighted: Just based on something I've seen in the past, it could be possible something broke inside the motor and was "spit out" creating the damage. And I might guess that the small puddle you saw on the sidewalk was just what was left of the oil. You probably lost most of it at the time, or on the ride home. . . .snip === Coleman's external damage may be just the tip. It sounds like there was considerable running after the hit which, with lack of oil (down 2-1/2 qts! Have you made peace with the warning light?), could spell deep future trouble. Have the inner integrity verified somehow or have it warranteed before trying to bandaid major damage. Actually, probably best to put time and effort into getting the opinions for having it totaled. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Strikes to the abs can foul up the gut. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 11:43:49 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:43:39 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! I had a similiar incident.. in the way that it was leaking oil... I was on 50 west coming into DC.. traffic was backed up so I went on the side walk as a shortcut to go to checkers, then off hte curve and down one of those parking spot tire stopper/cement wheel chock type of things.. I had a passenger on the back and what happened was that the wheel chock took a swipe at my oil pan drain bolt. Well since I was on my 1000 the train plug must have been made out of titanium or aluminum or something.. and it ground down and started a drip drop oil leak. I ended up not needing an oil pan, just had to replace the bolt. A 600's bolt worked and it was made of steel. I was good to go. When you go, make sure it's on the engine casing and leaking from that spot and not from the oil pan anywhere... which i'm assuming they're not lying about, but you never know, do look for yourself. Then call insurance and make the claim. I think it won't count against you. If they total it out, find out what the buy back is. I or other listers might be interested in buying from you at the buyback cost, plus put some money in your pocket. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 12:08:51 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:08:34 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] A bit about the MotoGP business Some comments of interest throughout. "Six enter final lap in pursuit of MotoGP" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5-2246414,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS &attr=Business Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Spectator. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 12:12:30 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:12:22 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: $6k bike repair - OUCH! I have to agree with Bill S. If it were me, I'd tell coleman's I'd prefer if they totalled it out too. If they didn't, i'd take it to another shop who would. Then i'd buy it back from the insurance company. From there i'd decide to either keep it, or sell it to a lister for a slight profit, and buy a new one. I personally don't trust anyone doing engine rebuilds (unless i know that is their specialty and have a reputation for good work otherwise i'd rather swap a replacement motor). But then again, if something inside the motor spit outwards, you may have a warranty issue... which may be a bad thing, because then your'e at the mercy of colemans and insurance isn't applicable. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 12:14:15 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:14:04 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: $6k bike repair - OUCH! but then again he said it was a scratch on the outside, and thus nothign was spit out, so it would be an object hitting it. That's good. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 12:32:02 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:31:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Danny Motorcycle >Date: Thu Jun 29 10:43:39 CDT 2006 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! >I had a similiar incident.. in the way that it was leaking oil... > >I was on 50 west coming into DC.. traffic was backed up so I went on >the side walk as a shortcut to go to checkers, > I had a passenger on the back and what happened was that the... ..remind me not to walk on the sidewalk during heavy traffic. >wheel chock took a swipe at my oil pan drain bolt. Well since I was >on my 1000 the train plug must have been made out of titanium or >aluminum or something.. and it ground down and started a drip drop oil >leak. I ended up not needing an oil pan, just had to replace the >bolt. A 600's bolt worked and it was made of steel. I was good to go. ..actually, it sounds like the drain bolt took the brunt of the hit. If it had been steel, it very well may have broken off the drain pan IMHO. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 14:40:40 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:40:25 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Signing in from Gmail Just checking in from my new Gmail account. I'll be keeping the Hotmail account active, but giving this a trial for the next few weeks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 15:50:27 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:50:18 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Perry Coleman" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Signing in from Gmail Cc: "DC Cycles" On that topic, if anyone wants a Gmail account (if you still need invites to "join"?) I have 100 to give away... On 6/29/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > Just checking in from my new Gmail account. I'll be keeping the > Hotmail account active, but giving this a trial for the next few > weeks. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jun 29 20:13:19 2006 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:13:02 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "adamme@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] $6k bike repair - OUCH! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I thought the drain pan would be leaking for sure.. but luckily it was just the plug. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 08:35:04 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:34:38 -0400 From: Robert To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Dealer feedback - thanks! I appreciate all the folks that took the time to weigh in my post yesterday, asking for feedback on Bob's BMW. The consensus was overwhlmingly positive, only one response noted a slow service experience. Thanks again! Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 09:20:39 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:20:30 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 >If anyone has a 70's to > early 80's CB750, or knows of one that might be > purchased, let me know. I saw one in front of Coleman's Falls Church that needed a little work. It's for sale there. Beautiful bike! > Oops, I was thinking of the Monster S4 with the 999 mill, Ohlins, > Brembo, Marchesini, etc :-) Still love the look of your ride, > though. MOG - that bike is amazing! I'd love to have the honor to sit on it cold, let alone ride it! > My buddy took his R1 into coleman's at the warnings of all his friends. > his clutches change change costs him like $900 because they told him > he had clutch fibres in his engine and they needed to clean it out. Now, that's hilarious!! > "Rob Keiser" insighted: > > Just based on something I've seen in the past, it could be possible > something broke inside the motor and was "spit out" creating the > damage. And I might guess that the small puddle you saw on the > sidewalk was just what was left of the oil. You probably lost most of > it at the time, or on the ride home. > > . . .snip Thankfully, no. It's a very slow leak at the bonding point between the two halves of the casement. There's a little, metal clip that's been bent back to rip the casement. If you ask me, it's a design defect from Ducati. Give me 20 lbs of pressure from the right angle and the bike is totaled? Should that really be how delicate the underside of a bike is? In any case, the leak is slow and wound up on my sidewalk, under the bike, after a week away from riding. I always do a walkaround and the oil pan has a nifty little window that lets me check oil before I ride, every time. I'm headed over there this afternoon. They'll show me the bike on a lift. I'll take pictures and post them here before I make any decisions. On the repair note...if I feel the damage is light enough, I might take it to get welded. I was even told by a respected metal-worker that there are all sorts of bonding agents that can be used to cold-weld the area shut, as long as it's clear of oil, of course. Danny, Any story that starts with "I was riding on the sidewalk when..." probably ends badly! LOL! -James Former '06 Duc Monster S2R Dark rider BTW- Is there a reason I'm only receiving daily summaries from this list rather than an up-to-the-minute distribution? This business is killing me....:) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 09:58:22 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:58:15 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You must have signed up for digest mode. you probably can change it at http://dc-cycles.org What's worse is not only did they screw him out of $900, they didn't get to his bike right away, it sat for a few days, and we kept warning him, go pick up your bike, and let a friend do your clutches! but nooo.. he left it there and it got screwed. So we laughed at him. "sidewalk story ending badly" Probably.. but then you can meet a lot of women that way too. :) I also think that you could seal up that leak... However if you are going to do that, you might as well do the insurance claim and buy it back and do it after they paid the bike off and allowed you to buy it back. That way if it fails, you're not screwed out of the retail value of the bike as it's already been paid off, AND it's a legitimate insurance claim, that doesn't raise your rates nor count against you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 11:04:56 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:04:47 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 > Thankfully, no. It's a very slow leak at the bonding point between > the two halves of the casement. There's a little, metal clip that's > been bent back to rip the casement. To paraphrase the character in "The Graduate", Two words - JB Weld -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 11:08:48 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:08:41 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX James G. might also try QuikSteel. No personal experience, but it's saved many an adventure rider in the middle of nowhere. Do they make bash plates for the Monster? :-\ On 6/30/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Thankfully, no. It's a very slow leak at the bonding point between > > the two halves of the casement. There's a little, metal clip that's > > been bent back to rip the casement. > > To paraphrase the character in "The Graduate", Two words - JB Weld > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 11:09:53 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:09:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And I know plenty of people getting seriously screwed up on the track due to them riding at their extreme limits. I'm glad I don't have the "track bug"... Glenn --- Laura Roach wrote: > Yes, I definitely believe that statement > wholeheartedly. I have seen > tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with > nothing more than a > scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get > into nasty accidents > due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't > avoid. On the track, > there is rarely anything to hit, which is one of the > biggest causes of > death to motorcyclists on the street. Everyone is > going the same > direction, there is runoff so you don't hit > anything, everyone is decked > out in full protection, ambulance is standing by > right there...can't say > the same on the street. The street is full of cage > riders that don't pay > attention to motorcyclists. I have had more close > calls in one ride to > work on my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps on > the track. There are > less variables on the track to cause injury or death > than there are on > the street. > > Laura > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up > this > > statement? > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > > > , and not to mention we really don't ride > on > > > >> the street too much > >> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track > >> is. > >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 11:11:29 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Regardless you still have no real facts showing that the track is any *safer*. Glenn --- Laura Roach wrote: > Yes, I definitely believe that statement > wholeheartedly. I have seen > tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with > nothing more than a > scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get > into nasty accidents > due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't > avoid. On the track, > there is rarely anything to hit, which is one of the > biggest causes of > death to motorcyclists on the street. Everyone is > going the same > direction, there is runoff so you don't hit > anything, everyone is decked > out in full protection, ambulance is standing by > right there...can't say > the same on the street. The street is full of cage > riders that don't pay > attention to motorcyclists. I have had more close > calls in one ride to > work on my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps on > the track. There are > less variables on the track to cause injury or death > than there are on > the street. > > Laura > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up > this > > statement? > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > > > , and not to mention we really don't ride > on > > > >> the street too much > >> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track > >> is. > >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 11:21:46 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:21:37 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 Quick Steel (JB Weld) and a bash plate sounds like the solution! Does anyone here know how that stuff stands up to 250 degree heat? I don't want to put the bike up on a lift, do a whiz bang job with the goop and only to see the effort go to waste as the engine reaches running temps. I'll total the bike, buy it back from Geico, keep the cash as a profit and ultimately have a stronger Monster in the end. Now...if only I had a garage I could work in... time to call the sister in the 'burbs! -James destroyed, totaled, ruined '06 Duc Monster Dark S2R On 6/30/06, Paul Wilson wrote: > James G. might also try QuikSteel. No personal experience, but it's > saved many an adventure rider in the middle of nowhere. > > Do they make bash plates for the Monster? :-\ > > On 6/30/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > Thankfully, no. It's a very slow leak at the bonding point between > > > the two halves of the casement. There's a little, metal clip that's > > > been bent back to rip the casement. > > > > To paraphrase the character in "The Graduate", Two words - JB Weld > > > > -- > > Michael J. > > '86 SRX-6 > > '93 GSX1100G > > '03 DL1000 > > AMA > > IBA #3901 > > USAF (Ret) > > NRA > > etc. > > > > > > > -- > Paul in DC > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 11:26:14 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:26:07 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX According to the web site QuikSteel is good for 500 degrees. And it's pre-mixed, unlike JB Weld. On 6/30/06, James G wrote: > Quick Steel (JB Weld) and a bash plate sounds like the solution! Does > anyone here know how that stuff stands up to 250 degree heat? I don't > want to put the bike up on a lift, do a whiz bang job with the goop > and only to see the effort go to waste as the engine reaches running > temps. > > I'll total the bike, buy it back from Geico, keep the cash as a > profit and ultimately have a stronger Monster in the end. Now...if > only I had a garage I could work in... time to call the sister in the > 'burbs! > > -James > destroyed, totaled, ruined '06 Duc Monster Dark S2R > > > > On 6/30/06, Paul Wilson wrote: > > James G. might also try QuikSteel. No personal experience, but it's > > saved many an adventure rider in the middle of nowhere. > > > > Do they make bash plates for the Monster? :-\ > > > > On 6/30/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > Thankfully, no. It's a very slow leak at the bonding point between > > > > the two halves of the casement. There's a little, metal clip that's > > > > been bent back to rip the casement. > > > > > > To paraphrase the character in "The Graduate", Two words - JB Weld > > > > > > -- > > > Michael J. > > > '86 SRX-6 > > > '93 GSX1100G > > > '03 DL1000 > > > AMA > > > IBA #3901 > > > USAF (Ret) > > > NRA > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul in DC > > > > > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 12:49:34 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:44:41 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma What sort of facts are you looking for? - Deaths per crash? - Severe injuries per crash? (severe = needing medical treatment) - Crashes per person? - Crashes per mile? - Crashes per hour of riding time? - Something else? I suspect that by some measures the track will be much safer, and by others much more dangerous. Statistics are like that, especially if you use them the way a drunk uses a lamp post: for support rather than illumination (thanks to Mark Twain for that phrasing). -- Mike B. At 6/30/2006 11:11 AM, Glenn Dysart wrote: >Regardless you still have no real facts showing that >the track is any *safer*. > >Glenn > >--- Laura Roach wrote: > > > Yes, I definitely believe that statement > > wholeheartedly. I have seen > > tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with > > nothing more than a > > scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get > > into nasty accidents From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 13:46:46 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:46:30 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 > anyone here know how that stuff stands up to 250 degree heat? I don't > want to put the bike up on a lift, do a whiz bang job with the goop > and only to see the effort go to waste as the engine reaches running > temps. Elder son referred to the stuff as "The Racer's Friend" when he was racing. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 14:22:13 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:22:03 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 Yeah, but it is *safer* for street bikes? ;^) On 6/30/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > anyone here know how that stuff stands up to 250 degree heat? I don't > > want to put the bike up on a lift, do a whiz bang job with the goop > > and only to see the effort go to waste as the engine reaches running > > temps. > > Elder son referred to the stuff as "The Racer's Friend" when he was racing. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 14:41:20 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:44:10 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma And you have no facts that the street is safer, either. :) I just know there is less death on the track than the street. I'll take those odds any day. Laura Glenn Dysart wrote: > Regardless you still have no real facts showing that > the track is any *safer*. > > Glenn > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > >> Yes, I definitely believe that statement >> wholeheartedly. I have seen >> tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with >> nothing more than a >> scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get >> into nasty accidents >> due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't >> avoid. On the track, >> there is rarely anything to hit, which is one of the >> biggest causes of >> death to motorcyclists on the street. Everyone is >> going the same >> direction, there is runoff so you don't hit >> anything, everyone is decked >> out in full protection, ambulance is standing by >> right there...can't say >> the same on the street. The street is full of cage >> riders that don't pay >> attention to motorcyclists. I have had more close >> calls in one ride to >> work on my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps on >> the track. There are >> less variables on the track to cause injury or death >> than there are on >> the street. >> >> Laura >> >> Glenn Dysart wrote: >> >>> Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up >>> >> this >> >>> statement? >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> --- Laura Roach wrote: >>> >>> , and not to mention we really don't ride >>> >> on >> >>> >>> >>>> the street too much >>>> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track >>>> is. >>>> >>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>> >> protection around >> >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 14:55:58 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:55:51 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Laura Roach" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: "Glenn Dysart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 6/30/06, Laura Roach wrote: > And you have no facts that the street is safer, either. :) > > I just know there is less death on the track than the street. I'll take > those odds any day. > > Laura > That's a gut sentiment and argument based on belief and anecdote and, therefore, not the same thing as a fact. I'll be the first admit I have no idea what's safer and I doubt that any studies have been done using a statistically valid measurement, such as injuries or fatalities per vehicle mile. For one thing, track get-offs don't get reported to the civil authorities. I will say that track riders are required to wear top-notch protective gear and it goes without saying said gear is available to street riders too, if you choose to wear it. I'm not going to comment further on that. Furthermore, even if proven, it's not a trade-off I care to make. One thing I *do* know that I own motorcycles to go places and carve corners on the road or travel muddy fire roads in the wilderness. I will continue to ride on the street (at something approximating 5/10ths) as long as I am physically/mentally able to do so, even if it means I'm "less safe." Bottom line: to each his/her own and tracks just don't do it for me and they never will. :) Sorry. Paul in DC 90 KLR - 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 15:00:47 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:00:37 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: "Laura Roach" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: "Glenn Dysart" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Laura, As regards "less death" has that been normalized with number of riders? Miles travelled? etc.? If not, then it is meaningless. If one rider is killed out of a group of ten, that is certainly "less death" than 100 riders out of a million. Or is it? If one rider is killed for each 100 miles travelled, that is "less death" than 100 riders for each million miles. Or is it? How many street riders racking up how many street riders versus how many racers racking up how many racetrack miles each year? I have been street riding for over 25 years and have seen my share of excitement, and got my shares of bumps and bruises, but I still feel plenty safe commuting in and around the DC area, or just going out for a Sunday ride into the country. I don't know that I would feel quite the same about being on a track doing triple digits with a bunch of others around me doing the same thing. Of course, that could also apply to a street ride with a bunch of young turks on sport bikes! ;^) It all depends on your perspective. I really hate it when "racers" tell me that street riding is unsafe. To you, perhaps. But I don't share your "value" system. Show me some real, normalized numbers and I might let you get away with such a broad statement. Otherwise, understand that you are just sharing your feelings and others may well disagree with them. Perry On 6/30/06, Laura Roach wrote: > And you have no facts that the street is safer, either. :) > > I just know there is less death on the track than the street. I'll take > those odds any day. > > Laura > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Regardless you still have no real facts showing that > > the track is any *safer*. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > > > > >> Yes, I definitely believe that statement > >> wholeheartedly. I have seen > >> tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with > >> nothing more than a > >> scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get > >> into nasty accidents > >> due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't > >> avoid. On the track, > >> there is rarely anything to hit, which is one of the > >> biggest causes of > >> death to motorcyclists on the street. Everyone is > >> going the same > >> direction, there is runoff so you don't hit > >> anything, everyone is decked > >> out in full protection, ambulance is standing by > >> right there...can't say > >> the same on the street. The street is full of cage > >> riders that don't pay > >> attention to motorcyclists. I have had more close > >> calls in one ride to > >> work on my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps on > >> the track. There are > >> less variables on the track to cause injury or death > >> than there are on > >> the street. > >> > >> Laura > >> > >> Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> > >>> Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up > >>> > >> this > >> > >>> statement? > >>> > >>> Glenn > >>> > >>> --- Laura Roach wrote: > >>> > >>> , and not to mention we really don't ride > >>> > >> on > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> the street too much > >>>> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track > >>>> is. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>> > >> protection around > >> > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 15:23:00 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:22:43 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Perry Coleman" , "Laura Roach" Cc: "Glenn Dysart" , I would really like some hard data on this and posted about this a while ago. My "gut feel" is that the track is safer: - controlled conditions - one way traffic - EMT on scene - * I was about to add No Deer but recent events at Summit Point have disproved that one Very curious to see statistics - -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perry.d.coleman@XXXXXX] To: Laura Roach Cc: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Laura, As regards "less death" has that been normalized with number of riders? Miles travelled? etc.? If not, then it is meaningless. If one rider is killed out of a group of ten, that is certainly "less death" than 100 riders out of a million. Or is it? If one rider is killed for each 100 miles travelled, that is "less death" than 100 riders for each million miles. Or is it? How many street riders racking up how many street riders versus how many racers racking up how many racetrack miles each year? I have been street riding for over 25 years and have seen my share of excitement, and got my shares of bumps and bruises, but I still feel plenty safe commuting in and around the DC area, or just going out for a Sunday ride into the country. I don't know that I would feel quite the same about being on a track doing triple digits with a bunch of others around me doing the same thing. Of course, that could also apply to a street ride with a bunch of young turks on sport bikes! ;^) It all depends on your perspective. I really hate it when "racers" tell me that street riding is unsafe. To you, perhaps. But I don't share your "value" system. Show me some real, normalized numbers and I might let you get away with such a broad statement. Otherwise, understand that you are just sharing your feelings and others may well disagree with them. Perry On 6/30/06, Laura Roach wrote: > And you have no facts that the street is safer, either. :) > > I just know there is less death on the track than the street. I'll > take those odds any day. > > Laura > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Regardless you still have no real facts showing that the track is > > any *safer*. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > > > > >> Yes, I definitely believe that statement wholeheartedly. I have > >> seen tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with nothing more > >> than a scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get into > >> nasty accidents due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't > >> avoid. On the track, there is rarely anything to hit, which is one > >> of the biggest causes of death to motorcyclists on the street. > >> Everyone is going the same direction, there is runoff so you don't > >> hit anything, everyone is decked out in full protection, ambulance > >> is standing by right there...can't say the same on the street. The > >> street is full of cage riders that don't pay attention to > >> motorcyclists. I have had more close calls in one ride to work on > >> my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps on the track. There are > >> less variables on the track to cause injury or death than there are > >> on the street. > >> > >> Laura > >> > >> Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> > >>> Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up > >>> > >> this > >> > >>> statement? > >>> > >>> Glenn > >>> > >>> --- Laura Roach wrote: > >>> > >>> , and not to mention we really don't ride > >>> > >> on > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> the street too much > >>>> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track is. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>> > >> protection around > >> > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 16:06:41 2006 X-REPUTATION: None X-REMOTE-IP: 66.171.210.53 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,197,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="39960939:sNHT26921079" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:05:40 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: The only point I might concede in this argument is that crashing at the track is safer than crashing on the street. Anyone who crashes less at the track than on the street isn't trying hard enough! Later, Hugh -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] To: Perry Coleman; Laura Roach Cc: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] F. Karma I would really like some hard data on this and posted about this a while ago. My "gut feel" is that the track is safer: - controlled conditions - one way traffic - EMT on scene - * I was about to add No Deer but recent events at Summit Point have disproved that one Very curious to see statistics - -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perry.d.coleman@XXXXXX] To: Laura Roach Cc: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Laura, As regards "less death" has that been normalized with number of riders? Miles travelled? etc.? If not, then it is meaningless. If one rider is killed out of a group of ten, that is certainly "less death" than 100 riders out of a million. Or is it? If one rider is killed for each 100 miles travelled, that is "less death" than 100 riders for each million miles. Or is it? How many street riders racking up how many street riders versus how many racers racking up how many racetrack miles each year? I have been street riding for over 25 years and have seen my share of excitement, and got my shares of bumps and bruises, but I still feel plenty safe commuting in and around the DC area, or just going out for a Sunday ride into the country. I don't know that I would feel quite the same about being on a track doing triple digits with a bunch of others around me doing the same thing. Of course, that could also apply to a street ride with a bunch of young turks on sport bikes! ;^) It all depends on your perspective. I really hate it when "racers" tell me that street riding is unsafe. To you, perhaps. But I don't share your "value" system. Show me some real, normalized numbers and I might let you get away with such a broad statement. Otherwise, understand that you are just sharing your feelings and others may well disagree with them. Perry On 6/30/06, Laura Roach wrote: > And you have no facts that the street is safer, either. :) > > I just know there is less death on the track than the street. I'll > take those odds any day. > > Laura > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Regardless you still have no real facts showing that the track is > > any *safer*. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > > > > >> Yes, I definitely believe that statement wholeheartedly. I have > >> seen tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with nothing more > >> than a scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street get into > >> nasty accidents due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't > >> avoid. On the track, there is rarely anything to hit, which is one > >> of the biggest causes of death to motorcyclists on the street. > >> Everyone is going the same direction, there is runoff so you don't > >> hit anything, everyone is decked out in full protection, ambulance > >> is standing by right there...can't say the same on the street. The > >> street is full of cage riders that don't pay attention to > >> motorcyclists. I have had more close calls in one ride to work on > >> my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps on the track. There are > >> less variables on the track to cause injury or death than there are > >> on the street. > >> > >> Laura > >> > >> Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> > >>> Ya think so huh? You've got something to back up > >>> > >> this > >> > >>> statement? > >>> > >>> Glenn > >>> > >>> --- Laura Roach wrote: > >>> > >>> , and not to mention we really don't ride > >>> > >> on > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> the street too much > >>>> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the track is. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>> > >> protection around > >> > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 16:59:58 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:59:47 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 Drumroll, please. Notice the hole right along the seam in the casement? It's right above the hose clip that has no hose. There's further damage below, to the left, though it's not as severe. This damage is one in a million. How, in holy hell, did this happen?? http://www.mindspring.com/~reckoning/IMG_1369.JPG I called Geico. After a pleasant converation, she told me that an assessor was going to head over to Coleman's next week and assess the damage as well. It'll be covered by Comprehensive with a $500 deductible. If I'm lucky it will be totaled. Then, I can get this bike, which I've already put a deposit on: http://www.mindspring.com/~reckoning/IMG_1373.JPG Someone queue up the Double Jeopardy theme music... -James future owner of a rebuilt Monster Dark or an ST4s... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 17:21:21 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:18:53 -0400 To: Laura Roach , Glenn Dysart From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 6/30/2006 02:44 PM, Laura Roach wrote: >And you have no facts that the street is safer, either. :) > >I just know there is less death on the track than the street. I'll take >those odds any day. > >Laura There are also fewer riders on the track than on the street. There have been zero motorcycle deaths on the Moon, so can we conclude that riding on the Moon is safer than riding on the track? Nope. Track riders tend to spend less time, and go fewer miles, than street riders too. On a "deaths per rider-hour" basis the track may or may not come out ahead. Need some numbers to tell, after deciding what it is we are trying to find out from them (so we know which ones matter). All that said, the points you raised about equipment, opposing traffic, obstructions, etc. would seem to make track riding safer. On the other hand, the higher speeds involved tend to make it more dangerous (energy goes up as the square of the speed...double the speed you get 4 times the energy...80mph is 4 times the energy of 40mph, and 160mph is 16 times the energy of 40mph). Julian has had about as many accidents at the track as on the street, of about equal severity, just for one example...not that that proves anything at all of course. ;-) -- Mike B. -- The best way to win an argument is to be right. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 17:45:07 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:44:58 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/06 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX what is the magic bullet theory? it hit the casing, hit the ground, hit the casing again, then curved around and hit your foot.. all from the grassy knoll ! - Danny On 6/30/06, James G wrote: > Drumroll, please. Notice the hole right along the seam in the > casement? It's right above the hose clip that has no hose. There's > further damage below, to the left, though it's not as severe. This > damage is one in a million. How, in holy hell, did this happen?? > http://www.mindspring.com/~reckoning/IMG_1369.JPG > > I called Geico. After a pleasant converation, she told me that an > assessor was going to head over to Coleman's next week and assess the > damage as well. It'll be covered by Comprehensive with a $500 > deductible. If I'm lucky it will be totaled. Then, I can get this > bike, which I've already put a deposit on: > http://www.mindspring.com/~reckoning/IMG_1373.JPG > > Someone queue up the Double Jeopardy theme music... > > -James > future owner of a rebuilt Monster Dark or an ST4s... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jun 30 20:32:01 2006 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:31:50 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma On 6/28/06, Radio Waves wrote: > In the wet with a big motor and a quick throttle, relatively small > levels of imprecision can have negative conseqeunces. Conversely, you > might be able to spin up the rear tire on, say, a rebel 250, but I'm > going to take a guess that it's not too likely to happen by accident > in typical conditions. Ack... I agree with this in general, but it's a bit too general. Here's my spouting off on both sides of this fence... On my FJR, in the rain, I start in second gear most of the time. The FJR has plenty of torque and a touchy throttle coming off a stop (I blame the fuel injection, whether it's the culprit or not). Even so, it's more of a lazy man's trick, not a real neccessity. My 1300cc beast is quite well behaved in the rain. The worst bike I've had in the rain... a '95 YZF 600. No matter the tire or conditions, it did everything in it's power to light up the rear tire at every light. Engine size has nothing to do with how well behaved a bike is in the wet. > The tires I used were, as the other poster guessed, Pilot Sports. Do > they really put Powers on rental bikes where you come from? Nice. > Anyway, my bad for not having compiled and memorized tire suitability > charts for the major manufacturers. Pilot Powers rock... I got "stuck" with a new one at Deal's Gap for the weekend when my Metz gave up the ghost. That was a fun weekend. ;) Of course, they had to be replaced not long after that... --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 08:35:59 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:35:45 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma > The worst bike I've had in the rain... a '95 YZF 600. No matter the > tire or conditions, it did everything in it's power to light up the > rear tire at every light. Engine size has nothing to do with how well > behaved a bike is in the wet. Gotta disagree. If you built 2 motorcycles, let's say 04 suzuki's gsxrs 600's and put a 1000 engine in the 2nd bike (because you can do that), I believe we would find that the 600 would behave a lot better than the 1000. Now if you were to say something like "wet tire behavior has more to do than just engine size" I would agree. As far as the track being safer than the street.. what kind of track riding? if you're just doing track days in Beginner.. I think it's a hell of a lot safer than riding on the street, hands down. Now what if it's track racing.. what kind of street riding are we going to compare it to? back roads spirited twisties? 120 to 180 mph highway blasting? Either way, I still have the track being safer. How many people died in wera last year? How many wera members were there? and how many sportbike riders died per capita on the street. I don't have the hard facts, but i'd wager the track wins. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 09:09:52 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:09:42 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma On 6/30/06, smthng else wrote: > On my FJR, in the rain, I start in second gear most of the time. The > FJR has plenty of torque and a touchy throttle coming off a stop (I > blame the fuel injection, whether it's the culprit or not). Even so, > it's more of a lazy man's trick, not a real neccessity. My 1300cc > beast is quite well behaved in the rain. I have shorter than stock gearing on my 'Busa and I have no trouble in the rain. I'm running a BT014 rear. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 10:26:39 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? I'm going to be going from Highlands, NC to Leesburg, VA towards the end of July. My goal is to take mostly the Blue Ridge Parkway, and perhaps Skyline drive. I'll be taking my KLR, and plan to take 2 days to do it. Rather than haul all my camping gear for just one night, is there a decent (cheap) motel about mid-way? Perhaps around Blacksburg or Roanoake? Thoughts? Thanks, Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 11:25:33 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:25:20 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? > VA towards the end of July. My goal is to take mostly > the Blue Ridge Parkway, and perhaps Skyline drive. > I'll be taking my KLR, and plan to take 2 days to do > it. > > Rather than haul all my camping gear for just one > night, is there a decent (cheap) motel about mid-way? > Perhaps around Blacksburg or Roanoake? Excellent choice of roads! I just came up from Stecoah, NC two weeks ago. The bad news is that I could find no Mom 'n Pop motels around the Blaksburg/Roanoke area that were close to the Parkway. Wound up staying in a chain motel beside I-81 in Christiansburg. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 11:53:20 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I never made the statement the street was safer, you made the comment the track was safer, I just want you to back up your statement. Glenn --- Laura Roach wrote: > And you have no facts that the street is safer, > either. :) > > I just know there is less death on the track than > the street. I'll take > those odds any day. > > Laura > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Regardless you still have no real facts showing > that > > the track is any *safer*. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Laura Roach wrote: > > > > > >> Yes, I definitely believe that statement > >> wholeheartedly. I have seen > >> tons and tons of nasty crashes on the track with > >> nothing more than a > >> scratch. I have seen/heard people on the street > get > >> into nasty accidents > >> due to cages doing stupid S(&* that they couldn't > >> avoid. On the track, > >> there is rarely anything to hit, which is one of > the > >> biggest causes of > >> death to motorcyclists on the street. Everyone is > >> going the same > >> direction, there is runoff so you don't hit > >> anything, everyone is decked > >> out in full protection, ambulance is standing by > >> right there...can't say > >> the same on the street. The street is full of > cage > >> riders that don't pay > >> attention to motorcyclists. I have had more close > >> calls in one ride to > >> work on my rebel 250 than I have had in 30 laps > on > >> the track. There are > >> less variables on the track to cause injury or > death > >> than there are on > >> the street. > >> > >> Laura > >> > >> Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> > >>> Ya think so huh? You've got something to back > up > >>> > >> this > >> > >>> statement? > >>> > >>> Glenn > >>> > >>> --- Laura Roach wrote: > >>> > >>> , and not to mention we really don't ride > >>> > >> on > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> the street too much > >>>> anymore...it's much more dangerous than the > track > >>>> is. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>> > >> protection around > >> > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 12:00:09 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 12:00:00 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? On 7/1/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > > VA towards the end of July. My goal is to take mostly > > the Blue Ridge Parkway, and perhaps Skyline drive. > > I'll be taking my KLR, and plan to take 2 days to do > > it. > > > > Rather than haul all my camping gear for just one > > night, is there a decent (cheap) motel about mid-way? > > Perhaps around Blacksburg or Roanoake? > > Excellent choice of roads! I just came up from Stecoah, NC two weeks ago. > > The bad news is that I could find no Mom 'n Pop motels around the > Blaksburg/Roanoke area that were close to the Parkway. Wound up > staying in a chain motel beside I-81 in Christiansburg. > There's a cluster of Mom-n-Pops and chain motels at Fancy Gap, where the BRP crosses US 52 and I-77. A bit far from Roanoke. Roanoke is around MP 120. Fancy Gap is MP 200. Not much between there and Roanoke. You might try Floyd, which is the only town of any size between Fancy Gap and Roanoke. Just a couple miles off the BRP on Va. 8 (8 east of the BRP should not be missed, btw) http://www.visitfloyd.org/members-cat.html#lodging From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 13:37:47 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:37:29 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] tire circles. on a bicycle (non-moto) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GNB7xT3rNE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 14:17:55 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:17:48 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? > There's a cluster of Mom-n-Pops and chain motels at Fancy Gap, where > the BRP crosses US 52 and I-77. A bit far from Roanoke. Roanoke is > around MP 120. Fancy Gap is MP 200. Not much between there and > Roanoke. There's a few at the Meadows of Dan, a bit further north. > You might try Floyd, Went through Floyd slowly - didn't see anything resembling a motel -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 17:58:11 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: ArmadilloFZ1 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://hiddenvalleymotel.com/ in boone. great deal and nice clean rooms. --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > There's a cluster of Mom-n-Pops and chain motels > at Fancy Gap, where > > the BRP crosses US 52 and I-77. A bit far from > Roanoke. Roanoke is > > around MP 120. Fancy Gap is MP 200. Not much > between there and > > Roanoke. > > There's a few at the Meadows of Dan, a bit further > north. > > > You might try Floyd, > > Went through Floyd slowly - didn't see anything > resembling a motel > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > -= Hannibal Ad Portus=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 18:42:52 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:42:41 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? Botom line, Brian, is that theye's lots of stuff along the VA/NC border, but it thins out as you move northward. I live in Sterling, VA and find that Boone, NC makes a nice day's ride down the Parkway if I don't do Skyline Drive. Skyline eats up a LOT of time. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 1 20:54:17 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:54:07 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? You might also try the lodge at Peaks of Otter. I forget which MP it is at, but it is right on the BRP, it's not "cheap", but it's not real expensive. And, you get a great view out of the room to watch the deer come up to drink from the lake and feed in the meadow right outside the back side of the lodge. No TV in the room, but they do have one in the main lodge if you must... They have a restaurant at the lodge and there is a town about 10 miles away that has stuff as well. Have fun - we did! On 7/1/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > Botom line, Brian, is that theye's lots of stuff along the VA/NC > border, but it thins out as you move northward. > > I live in Sterling, VA and find that Boone, NC makes a nice day's ride > down the Parkway if I don't do Skyline Drive. Skyline eats up a LOT of > time. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 2 00:18:33 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ArmadilloFZ1 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX you nead a Blue ridge parkway guide. about 80 pages of everything you'd ever need to know on or around the parkway. --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Botom line, Brian, is that theye's lots of stuff > along the VA/NC > border, but it thins out as you move northward. > > I live in Sterling, VA and find that Boone, NC makes > a nice day's ride > down the Parkway if I don't do Skyline Drive. > Skyline eats up a LOT of > time. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > -= Hannibal Ad Portus=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 2 07:02:15 2006 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 07:01:58 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? > You might also try the lodge at Peaks of Otter. I forget which MP it > is at, but it is right on the BRP, it's not "cheap", but it's not real > expensive. Around MP 90 - almost to the end. Stayed there once - got on at Asheville, wound putting on everthing I had with me (electrics, sweatshirt, jacket, raingear) and still froze my ass off (in late May). Got to the Peaks of Otter and couldn't stand it any longer - and REFUSED to drow down to main roads. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 3 08:25:00 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:24:47 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: Dc-Cycles Cc: "Brian Ray" Subject: [dc-cycles] Decent Motel along the Blue Ridge Parkway? Ray Babbled, "I'm going to be going from Highlands, NC to Leesburg, VA towards the end of July. My goal is to take mostly the Blue Ridge Parkway, and perhaps Skyline drive. I'll be taking my KLR, and plan to take 2 days to do it. Then Brian Requested, "Rather than haul all my camping gear for just one night, is there a decent (cheap) motel about mid-way? Perhaps around Blacksburg or Roanoake? Thoughts?" [Carl]: So far decent recommendations but . . . here's something more comprehensive: < http://www.motelguide.com/> For Virginny: < http://www.motelguide.com/va.html > Personal experience: The Lakeside at Fancy Gap is Spartan but cheaper ($61for three several years ago) than the motel up the hill. The Boone Trail in Boone is also Spartan but clean and cheap ($26 a few years ago). The Pine Trail < http://www.thepinetavern.com/> in Floyd is nice. Dunno current prices but it was $35 about 9 years ago. The restaurant next door was wonderful but has changed management in the past couple of years. I've seen the motel at Meadows of Dan (SW of the BRP). It's across from the Willville campground < http://www.willvillebikecamp.com/ > but that's all I know. Enjoy. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 3 09:27:48 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:27:38 -0400 From: Robert To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Dealership update... Well, I went up to Bob's on Saturday, and test-rode the R1200GS. Very nice. Although I didn't get a chance to try it on any dirt roads, the ability of the suspension to soak up agressive potholes and speed control humps was impressive. Then there was this K1200R bike sitting there in the demo ride corral. Since I was in no real hurry, I took a test ride on that bike as well. Yowza! Mild-mannered at first maybe a little heavy (although at 522 pounds it's about what my '83 VF750 is...), but when I got it out on Hwy 32 and opened the throttle, it was like the universe just got a bit blurry around the edges. 162 hp had me sliding back on the seat, good thing there is a step for the pillion rider... So, back at the dealership, I looked at the GS, then the R. The GS was used used, under 10K miles, and came with a couple of side cases. But, it was kind of a washed out silver color... The R bike I drove had a silver frame, and black plastic tank cover. GS or R... Then my wife pointed out a 1200R in the showroom that was all black and grey; black frame, engine; dark grey tank cover and some other bits (it's a naked bike, after all). She wasn't too thrilled with the look of the GS, no matter how often I pointed out the utility features and the ability to deal with all the DC-area roads. But she did like the R bike, despite (or maybe because of) the aura of hoolligan about it. I rode it home grinning all the way. Have I mentioned how much I love my wife? ;-) Robert Verde 2006 BMW K1200R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 3 10:20:21 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:20:14 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dealership update... On 7/3/06, Robert wrote: > Then my wife pointed out a 1200R in the showroom that was all black > and grey; black frame, engine; dark grey tank cover and some other > bits (it's a naked bike, after all). She wasn't too thrilled with the > look of the GS, no matter how often I pointed out the utility features > and the ability to deal with all the DC-area roads. But she did like > the R bike, despite (or maybe because of) the aura of hoolligan about > it. Congrats on the new ride. Given the choice between R and GS, I would have chosen R, too :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 3 11:23:17 2006 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:21:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dealership update... To: DCCycles >From: Robert >Date: Mon Jul 03 08:27:38 CDT 2006 >To: DCCycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] Dealership update... Congrats! The looks really isn't my type (the nekkid bikes are a love or hate relationship), it certainly sounds like a real rocket and a blast to ride. I'm more of a K1200LT kinda guy. :-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 3 12:19:57 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:19:47 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Dealership update... > Congrats on the new ride. Given the choice between R and GS, I would > have chosen R, too :-) Being a lover of dirt roads... OTOH - a new bike is a new bike. Can't do it too often :-) Enjoy. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 4 18:22:13 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:21:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma At 08:31 PM 6/30/2006, you wrote: >....Engine size has nothing to do with how well behaved a bike is in the wet. In the absolute sense, no -- it doesn't improve your chassis and suspension behavior. But what a less powerful engine can do in the wet is to effectively give you finer control over the power output -- specifically, torque applied to the wheels at less than full power output. On a bike, that would be a bit like cutting your max revs by 1/2, and spreading that entire reduced range of revs, that normally is covered by only a fraction of the rotational range, over the entire rotational range of the throttle grip. I'm not a bike racer, but I have raced on four wheels since 1967. And I won a number of DC autocrosses in the wet driving a 1982 Honda Civic FE -- the anemic, 1300 cc, ultra-fuel-efficient model that was my wife's car. I ran that car a few times in dry conditions, and never once came anywhere near even placing in class. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 4 18:27:44 2006 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:27:38 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma On 7/4/06, ll wrote: > At 08:31 PM 6/30/2006, you wrote: > >....Engine size has nothing to do with how well behaved a bike is in the wet. > > In the absolute sense, no -- it doesn't improve your chassis and suspension > behavior. But what a less powerful engine can do in the wet is to > effectively give you finer control over the power output -- specifically, > torque applied to the wheels at less than full power output. On a bike, > that would be a bit like cutting your max revs by 1/2, and spreading that > entire reduced range of revs, that normally is covered by only a fraction > of the rotational range, over the entire rotational range of the throttle grip. Most smaller bikes lack the low end power of big bore bikes, so you end up feeding them more throttle or slipping the clutch to get it going. Larger engines generally have a flatter, broader tq curve, so they're a little easier to ride in all street conditions. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 4 18:43:56 2006 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:43:45 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Wayne Edelen" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] F. Karma Cc: DCCycles Well we should all write to the MSF course and tell them to dump their ninja 250's and get some hiyabusas! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 4 20:16:25 2006 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman To: Wayne Edelen , DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Big bikes vs small in wet. Was: F Karma --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Most smaller bikes lack the low end power of big > bore bikes, so you > end up feeding them more throttle or slipping the > clutch to get it > going. Larger engines generally have a flatter, > broader tq curve, so > they're a little easier to ride in all street > conditions. Danny replied: > Well we should all write to the MSF course and tell > them to dump their ninja 250's and get some hiyabusas! First, I think the Ninja 250 has too much power and doesn't handle well enough at low speed to be a good MSF bike. The Nighthawk, Rebel, GS125 and Blast! all handle better in a parking lot. Second, I think Wayne's addiction to horsepower leaves his perspective a bit skewed. It's similar to the way my perspective is skewed because I like little bikes. A flat torque curve is relative, if you can spin the tire in the rain with 8 (or so) HP then either bike has too much power and Wayne may well be right. But, if the street allows putting 70 HP to the street, then the 25 HP Ninja 250 won't get the rider in trouble. The 100+ HP sport bike allows one to break the rear tire loose and highside by rolling on the throttle before getting straightened up after a corner. The little bike will cover for the rider's poor technique. Leon. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 5 04:39:10 2006 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:39:01 +0200 From: "Carl Custer" To: DCCycles Cc: "Robert Verde" Subject: [dc-cycles] Dealership update... Verde Reported: Well, I went up to Bob's on Saturday, and test-rode the R1200GS. Then there was this K1200R bike sitting there in the demo ride corral. Then my wife pointed out a 1200R in the showroom that was all black and grey; black frame, engine; dark grey tank cover and some other bits (it's a naked bike, after all). She wasn't too thrilled with the look of the GS, no matter how often I pointed out the utility features and the ability to deal with all the DC-area roads. But she did like the R bike, despite (or maybe because of) the aura of hoolligan about it. I rode it home grinning all the way. Have I mentioned how much I love my wife? [Carl]: Gotta love 'em; congratulations on the addition. Robert Verde 2006 BMW K1200R [Carl]: Uh only one bike? Didja trade in the 'Ceptor? Carlos en Espana From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 6 16:43:50 2006 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:43:31 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] How to total a bike (without getting a scratch on you) Well, ladies and gents, the '06 Monster has been officially totaled. Something pierced the seal on my engine casement. I got a call from Geico this afternoon and they truly are going to trash the bike. So, I'm left with a few options. 1. I buy back and repair an '06 Monster, take the money, go through the trouble of getting the title changed back from salvage, etc. 2. I buy back and sell the Monster for parts or as a salvage bike to someone else. 3. I forget I ever had a Monster and move on to my next bike. So, I ask the question: Would anyone here like to find out how much the buyback is? I'll find out from Geico. Otherwise, I'll just scrap the bike and never look back. I don't have a garage or the free time to tool around with the bike. I will regret ever having gotten rid of it, for sure. However, I'll also regret having a salvage bike just sitting around, rotting. Some day I'll have the resources to work on my own bike. Today, I don't. Such is the life of cheap, urban dwelling. -James future owner of an '03 Ducati ST4s current owner of a totalled '06 Ducati Monster S2R Dark Pictures for your viewing pleasure http://www.mindspring.com/~reckoning From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 6 16:57:09 2006 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How to total a bike (without getting a scratch on you) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:56:37 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX 3. Never forget, they build new ones every day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James G" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] How to total a bike (without getting a scratch on you) > Well, ladies and gents, the '06 Monster has been officially totaled. > Something pierced the seal on my engine casement. I got a call from > Geico this afternoon and they truly are going to trash the bike. So, > I'm left with a few options. > > 1. I buy back and repair an '06 Monster, take the money, go through > the trouble of getting the title changed back from salvage, etc. > > 2. I buy back and sell the Monster for parts or as a salvage bike to > someone else. > > 3. I forget I ever had a Monster and move on to my next bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 7 09:17:36 2006 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How to total a bike (without getting a scratch on you) To: Bruce N , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bruce N wrote: > 3. > > Never forget, they build new ones every day. > And they don't make new "yous". That sucks, cool bike done in so fast. Maybe "ducs" aren't for you ;). Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 7 12:23:08 2006 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Leguna or Not. good prices on MC rentals? I ran across this and while I don't have MotoGP tickets and frankly don't want to go since watching it on TV is way better, anyone headed weat about the same timeframe? I haven't done a moto vacation in a while and my last one included a few days in Colorado which never came about due to a self-inflicted accident. But maybe this is a good enough deal to make it feasible. thoughts? http://www.sportryderrentals.com/Laguna_Seca.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 7 17:19:15 2006 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:18:59 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: How to total a bike (without getting a scratch on you) Due to the overwhelming encouragement I've had to find out how much buy-back was, here's the synopsis for group consumption: Geico has delivered the asking price for my motorcycle buy-back. It's $3000. Does anyone want to go through the trouble of the buy-back of the Ducati Monster Dark S2R for that price? Speak now or forever hold your peace! I'm making the decision to scrap/not scrap on Monday afternoon. Anyone? -James Owner of a totalled '06 Duc Monster S2R Dark Future owner of a used '03 Duc ST4s From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 09:11:08 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:10:52 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Vanson ladies gear? I just got a new bike that the wife and I can enjoy together (she doesn't like the riding position of my Hayabusa). I need to get her a good jacket that fits well and is comfortable. I'm in love with my recently purchased Vanson gear, but can't find a local shop that has ladies Vanson gear in stock for her to try on. Motorcycle Leather Exchange doesn't appear to stock much or I'd call them. Battley only has HD branded crap for women. Does anyone know of a shop in MD/NoVA/S PA area that carries a good stock of Vanson gear? Thanks. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 11:34:46 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:34:31 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Anyone up for a lunch? Get the bikes out and have a feast somewhere. Last time we had this it was at an Irish Pub in Great Falls. Maybe this year we could do something more central for the MD\DC folks. A few suggestions: - the Irish Inn at Glen Echo - Ted's Montana Grill in Ballston - downtown DC we have Kramer Books in Dupont which has great food at good prices and lots of place to park bikes in front. More upscale would be the Italian joint Finemundo on F and 13th....but be on high alert for parked drivers that even though they pass your bike on the way to the door somehow manage not to see it as they engage the reverse gear :( Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 11:37:54 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:37:46 -0400 From: "James G" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm definitely in. I work downtown so any of these will work for me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 13:18:50 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:18:39 -0400 From: Robert To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm up for lunch, my vote is for Ballston (closest option), or Kramer's as a second choice. Robert Verde '06 K1200R '83 VF750F On 7/11/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone up for a lunch? Get the bikes out and have a feast somewhere. > Last time we had this it was at an Irish Pub in Great Falls. Maybe this > year we could do something more central for the MD\DC folks. > A few suggestions: > - the Irish Inn at Glen Echo > - Ted's Montana Grill in Ballston > - downtown DC we have Kramer Books in Dupont which has great food at > good prices and lots of place to park bikes in front. More upscale would > be the Italian joint Finemundo on F and 13th....but be on high alert for > parked drivers that even though they pass your bike on the way to the > door somehow manage not to see it as they engage the reverse gear :( > > > > > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 13:21:59 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:21:51 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July > Anyone up for a lunch? Bummer - I'll be on an R1200GS inna Alps - won't be able to make it. I'll have either a piece of strudel or a gelato in honor of the occasion, though ;-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 13:50:37 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:50:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm game. Prefer downtown or arlington. I have yet to met anyone on the list, so it will be good to put a face with the name. - Jimmy --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Anyone up for a lunch? Get the bikes out and have a feast > somewhere. > Last time we had this it was at an Irish Pub in Great Falls. Maybe > this > year we could do something more central for the MD\DC folks. > A few suggestions: > - the Irish Inn at Glen Echo > - Ted's Montana Grill in Ballston > - downtown DC we have Kramer Books in Dupont which has great food > at > good prices and lots of place to park bikes in front. More upscale > would > be the Italian joint Finemundo on F and 13th....but be on high > alert for > parked drivers that even though they pass your bike on the way to > the > door somehow manage not to see it as they engage the reverse gear > :( > > > > > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 14:02:42 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:02:32 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Vanson ladies gear? On 7/11/06, Wayne Edelen wrote: > I just got a new bike that the wife and I can enjoy together (she > doesn't like the riding position of my Hayabusa). I received 3 private e-mails asking what bike I got, so I figured I would just post to the list. I bought a 2007 Victory Vegas Jackpot. The bike fits my wife and me very well. My short list of cruisers was the M109R, RocketIII and the Jackpot. I knew that I'd be disappointed in a 'power' cruiser (oxymoron?) because of the other bike I have, so I decided to go for a little bling with the Victory :-) I only have about 70 miles on it, but I really enjoy it. It won't replace my 'Busa as my go-to-bike in the garage, but it will be really fun for cruising. Obligatory pic - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/victory/20060710/jackpot1.jpg and http://www.blueblackbusa.org/victory/20060710/jackpot6.jpg (there are some others in that dir) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 14:15:05 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:14:41 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Cc: "Julian Halton" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kramerbooks is a good choice. In fact, just test drove that establishment today. Reserved moto parking right in front (19th St. side) On 7/11/06, James O'Connor wrote: > I'm game. Prefer downtown or arlington. I have yet to met anyone on > the list, so it will be good to put a face with the name. > > - Jimmy > > --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > Anyone up for a lunch? Get the bikes out and have a feast > > somewhere. > > Last time we had this it was at an Irish Pub in Great Falls. Maybe > > this > > year we could do something more central for the MD\DC folks. > > A few suggestions: > > - the Irish Inn at Glen Echo > > - Ted's Montana Grill in Ballston > > - downtown DC we have Kramer Books in Dupont which has great food > > at > > good prices and lots of place to park bikes in front. More upscale > > would > > be the Italian joint Finemundo on F and 13th....but be on high > > alert for > > parked drivers that even though they pass your bike on the way to > > the > > door somehow manage not to see it as they engage the reverse gear > > :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Julian Halton > > Group Logic > > julian@XXXXXX > > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 14:20:47 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:04:35 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd be up for it, barring disaster at the office. I'd prefer arlington. Speaking of which, what ever happened to "bike night"? I seem to recall those occurring semi-regularly in the past. Zach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 14:51:20 2006 Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Kramer's it is Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:51:05 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "James O'Connor" Cc: Here is the website and address: http://www.kramers.com/ 1517 Conn. Avenue, NW. - Just Above Dupont Circle - Bike Parking is around on the other side opposite Connecticut by the outdoor terrace If I get a list of confirmed people that is fairly accurate, I will make a reservation for the group. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: James O'Connor Cc: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Kramerbooks is a good choice. In fact, just test drove that establishment today. Reserved moto parking right in front (19th St. side) On 7/11/06, James O'Connor wrote: > I'm game. Prefer downtown or arlington. I have yet to met anyone on > the list, so it will be good to put a face with the name. > > - Jimmy > > --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > > > Anyone up for a lunch? Get the bikes out and have a feast > > somewhere. > > Last time we had this it was at an Irish Pub in Great Falls. Maybe > > this year we could do something more central for the MD\DC folks. > > A few suggestions: > > - the Irish Inn at Glen Echo > > - Ted's Montana Grill in Ballston > > - downtown DC we have Kramer Books in Dupont which has great food at > > good prices and lots of place to park bikes in front. More upscale > > would be the Italian joint Finemundo on F and 13th....but be on high > > alert for parked drivers that even though they pass your bike on the > > way to the door somehow manage not to see it as they engage the > > reverse gear :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Julian Halton > > Group Logic > > julian@XXXXXX > > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 15:06:52 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:06:44 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Kramer's it is FYI, all. The bike parking is on 19th and Q, NW. This is directly behind Kramer's and a restaurant called "Raku." Great restaurant choice Julian. Love that place. -James '03 ST4s On 7/11/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > > Here is the website and address: > > http://www.kramers.com/ > > > 1517 Conn. Avenue, NW. - Just Above Dupont Circle > > - Bike Parking is around on the other side opposite Connecticut by the > outdoor terrace > > If I get a list of confirmed people that is fairly accurate, I will make > a reservation for the group. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 16:06:52 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July To: DCcycles I'm in although I won't be working that day I will be riding. Either of the first 2 works best for me but since I'm not working I'm down for whatever works for everyone. Keep me updated on a time and place. Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 16:07:01 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July To: DCcycles I'm in although I won't be working that day I will be riding. Either of the first 2 works best for me but since I'm not working I'm down for whatever works for everyone. Keep me updated on a time and place. Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 16:21:47 2006 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:14:10 -0400 To: "Wayne Edelen" , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Vanson ladies gear? At 7/11/2006 02:02 PM, Wayne Edelen wrote: >I only have about 70 miles on it, but I really enjoy it. It won't >replace my 'Busa as my go-to-bike in the garage, but it will be really >fun for cruising. > >Obligatory pic - >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/victory/20060710/jackpot1.jpg and >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/victory/20060710/jackpot6.jpg (there are >some others in that dir) Nice! Their bikes are all done nicely...that "Ness" look. ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 11 18:17:52 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:17:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ride to Work Day 19 July Kramer's it is At 02:51 PM 7/11/2006, you wrote: > 1517 Conn. Avenue, NW. - Just Above Dupont Circle > >If I get a list of confirmed people that is fairly accurate, I will make >a reservation for the group. Sorry, Julian, but I canvassed the usual riders from our offices in Crystal City / Alexandria, and not one is willing to ride into the District for lunch. They'd rather head into Arlington, or, for a longer ride, away from the city, where it's cooler. So I guess we'll be riding to lunch somewhere on the VA side instead. Enjoy AfterWords -- food's ordinary, but their desserts are really good! -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 10:57:22 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX Cc: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Movie Screening, The Doctor, The Tornado, & the Kentucky Kid I'm planning on checking out the screening in DC tonight for The Doctor, The Tornado, and The Kentucky Kid. Weather looks typical for any motorcycle event around here, thunderstorms. (I'll probably ride anyway.) For anyone interested, the info is below: Red Bull MotoGP Movie 07/13/2006 - 07/13/2006 Thursday Evening July 13th Private showing of the New Moto GP Movie: THE DOCTOR, THE TORNADO AND THE KENTUCKY KID 9pm - Screening at Landmark's E Street Theatre Limited Seating - First Come - First Served! 10pm - HUGE After Party at IndeBleu Please join us for a private screening of the newly released film: "The Doctor, The Tornado and the Kentucky Kid." A film by Mark Neale the director of FASTER, the movie. Narrated by Ewan McGregor. This is a feature length documentary telling the inside story of the 2005 Red Bull US Grand Prix. This movie covers the historic event of GP racing's return to Laguna Seca. This private showing (sponsored by Coleman PowerSports and Red Bull) will be Thursday evening July 13th at 9:00pm at Landmark's E Street Theatre in Washington, DC. 555 11th Street NW (In the Lincoln Square Building) Washington, DC 20004 (entrance on E Street between 10th and 11th Street) Phone (202) 452-7672. HUGE After party at 10pm at IndeBleu with drink specials, Red Bull drinks, a Guest DJ and more! 707 G Street NW (across from MCI Center at 7th and G) Washington, DC 20004 Click Here to visit IndeBleu.com MOTORCYCLE PARKING WILL BE AVAILABLE OUTSIDE INDEBLEU. Also, paid parking garages are available in the immediate area of both locations. There will be a $10 charge for the movie and that includes an event T-Shirt. Enter to WIN PRIZES - You could win one of 2 Ducati riding jackets, a Limited Edition Nicky Hayden Race Replica ARAI Helmet or a MotoGP 2005 Season Review hardbound book autographed by Nicky Hayden! And don't forget to stop by either of our stores and use your special coupon that only e-mail subscribers will receive! NOTE: SEATING IS LIMITED to the first 140 in line! First come - first served. This event is getting bigger every day. Check back for more details. Click here to see a preview of the movie. Click here to link to the Red Bull US Grand Prix website for more details. Click on the following e-mail address for more info: mross@XXXXXX PLEASE mention "MotoGP Movie" in the subject line. www.powerdtk.com -Corbett '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '99 BMW K1200RS '82 Honda CB750F (future Cafe Racer) '82 Honda XL250R (Ready to Sell) '78 Honda CB750k (future Cafe Racer or restore) AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 10:59:53 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me 20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. Tuesday, 7/11/06 @ 5:38pm - I was on Constitution Ave eastbound traveling approx 20-25 mph and as approaching intersection of 22nd, an oncoming car made left turn (yield on green) and crossed in front of me leaving me neraly zero time to do anything but lock the brakes. I was in far right lane, which was moving well. Middle and left lanes were stopped due to congestion. I always look above roofs to watch for danger. Didn't see this car before it was too late. Maybe 10-15' of reaction distance. As a result, I t-boned the car (Camry) at the A-pillar, which unfortunately is a heavily reinforced area. I went up and over the car and landed about 15' beyond impact point. Fortunately, I landed flat on my back. Injuries so far - fractured right wrist, sore back, minor cuts, rash, and bruises. Possibly also some injury to my nether-region as my crotch's impact with the gas tank was severe enough to crumple the tank in this area. Bruising here is very disturbing to say the least. Overall, I feel VERY fortunate that I'm alive and that my injuries aren't worse. As I was in the air, all I could think was DON'T HIT MY HEAD. Luckily when I did hit my head a few times, it wasn't very hard, judging from helmet damage. Once I landed, my body reacted by immediatley going into fetal position and I felt a tremendous tightening/pressure all over my body that lasted probably 20 seconds. When this went away, I began testing limbs and checking for injury. Park Police and EMT were there pretty quickly. I turned down a trip to a DC hospital, but went to Reston hospital when I got home. Other driver is at fault, but haven't heard her insurance's stand on this. I've been told by witnesses and police that it was clear she was at fault. We'll see how this progresses. Gear did great. JR Alter-Ego pants and jacket, walmart 10" boots, olympia street gloves, HJC cl-14 helmet. It would have been far worse had I worn anything less than full gear and full helmet. Bike - forks bent back to frame/headers, rim bent, fairing/gear cluster smashed, various damage to engine cases and parts mounted to them, broken muffler bracket, dented gas tank, radiator crushed, frame bent, etc etc. I have some pics I will email to someone if they will host them. So here I am. Lucky to be alive and well enough. Fyi - My wrist watch, which was found 10' from me, still shows time at moment of impact. Talk about an eery reminder. Hoping I won't need them, but if anyone can recommend a good lawyer, I'd appreciate it. Ride safe, Jimmy - ZRX '03 *dead* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:03:07 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:02:54 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "James O'Connor" , James Glad that you went to hospital....Sucks about this. Hope you feel better and let me know if you need anything. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me 20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. Tuesday, 7/11/06 @ 5:38pm - I was on Constitution Ave eastbound traveling approx 20-25 mph and as approaching intersection of 22nd, an oncoming car made left turn (yield on green) and crossed in front of me leaving me neraly zero time to do anything but lock the brakes. I was in far right lane, which was moving well. Middle and left lanes were stopped due to congestion. I always look above roofs to watch for danger. Didn't see this car before it was too late. Maybe 10-15' of reaction distance. As a result, I t-boned the car (Camry) at the A-pillar, which unfortunately is a heavily reinforced area. I went up and over the car and landed about 15' beyond impact point. Fortunately, I landed flat on my back. Injuries so far - fractured right wrist, sore back, minor cuts, rash, and bruises. Possibly also some injury to my nether-region as my crotch's impact with the gas tank was severe enough to crumple the tank in this area. Bruising here is very disturbing to say the least. Overall, I feel VERY fortunate that I'm alive and that my injuries aren't worse. As I was in the air, all I could think was DON'T HIT MY HEAD. Luckily when I did hit my head a few times, it wasn't very hard, judging from helmet damage. Once I landed, my body reacted by immediatley going into fetal position and I felt a tremendous tightening/pressure all over my body that lasted probably 20 seconds. When this went away, I began testing limbs and checking for injury. Park Police and EMT were there pretty quickly. I turned down a trip to a DC hospital, but went to Reston hospital when I got home. Other driver is at fault, but haven't heard her insurance's stand on this. I've been told by witnesses and police that it was clear she was at fault. We'll see how this progresses. Gear did great. JR Alter-Ego pants and jacket, walmart 10" boots, olympia street gloves, HJC cl-14 helmet. It would have been far worse had I worn anything less than full gear and full helmet. Bike - forks bent back to frame/headers, rim bent, fairing/gear cluster smashed, various damage to engine cases and parts mounted to them, broken muffler bracket, dented gas tank, radiator crushed, frame bent, etc etc. I have some pics I will email to someone if they will host them. So here I am. Lucky to be alive and well enough. Fyi - My wrist watch, which was found 10' from me, still shows time at moment of impact. Talk about an eery reminder. Hoping I won't need them, but if anyone can recommend a good lawyer, I'd appreciate it. Ride safe, Jimmy - ZRX '03 *dead* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:05:40 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:05:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me J.O.: 20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. Tuesday, 7/11/06 @ 5:38pm - ...an oncoming car made left turn (yield on green) and crossed in front of me leaving me neraly zero time to do anything but lock the brakes. [Dave] Glad you're relatively ok. get well soon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:20:26 2006 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:20:14 -0400 glad to hear you're relatively ok. Similar thing happened to me few years ago. I got all the medicals paid, didn't get much for the totaled bike but got 9k for pain & suffering. --------------------- Shig Honda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me > J.O.: > > 20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate > happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. > > Tuesday, 7/11/06 @ 5:38pm - ...an oncoming car made left turn (yield on green) and crossed in front of me leaving me neraly zero time to do anything but lock the brakes. > > [Dave] Glad you're relatively ok. get well soon. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:24:07 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Sidecar classes this weekend at NOVA CC Just checking to see if anyone else on the DC Cycles List is signed up for the Sidecar Classes this weekend at the Loudon Campus of NOVA CC. I called to verify yesterday that it is a "go." Turns out there's 9 folks signed up (we only needed 5 to assure the class would take place) and they'll provide text/workbooks at the class. The class is 'rain or shine.' I asked about parking too, Continuing Education said that we can either by a parking pass before class or feed meters all weekend (@ 75 cents and hour.) SO...who else is coming? -Corbett '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '99 BMW K1200RS '82 Honda CB750F (future Cafe Racer) '82 Honda XL250R (Ready to Sell) '78 Honda CB750k (future Cafe Racer or restore) AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:28:11 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:28:41 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Jimmy: As much as your get-off stinks, I'm glad you're the one typing up the report. Heal quickly and get back on the road when you're ready. http://tinyurl.com/zsbfh Cedric Ride safe, Jimmy - ZRX '03 *dead* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:37:40 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:37:45 -0400 From: "lister lynch" To: "James O'Connor" , Glad to hear that you are still in fairly good shape. You need to get a police report. In DC, many times the (lazy ass) PD will not write a report for a "fender bender" in which no one was hospitalized. Ask me how I know. If you are in DC and get hit, take a ride from the ambulance so they have to write a report. Without a police report, the "at fault" party's insurance company will do an internal investigation and find no fault on their part and therefore not pay anything out. Ask me how I know. Again, glad you could walk away. Mike -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me 20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. Tuesday, 7/11/06 @ 5:38pm - I was on Constitution Ave eastbound traveling approx 20-25 mph and as approaching intersection of 22nd, an oncoming car made left turn (yield on green) and crossed in front of me leaving me neraly zero time to do anything but lock the brakes. I was in far right lane, which was moving well. Middle and left lanes were stopped due to congestion. I always look above roofs to watch for danger. Didn't see this car before it was too late. Maybe 10-15' of reaction distance. As a result, I t-boned the car (Camry) at the A-pillar, which unfortunately is a heavily reinforced area. I went up and over the car and landed about 15' beyond impact point. Fortunately, I landed flat on my back. Injuries so far - fractured right wrist, sore back, minor cuts, rash, and bruises. Possibly also some injury to my nether-region as my crotch's impact with the gas tank was severe enough to crumple the tank in this area. Bruising here is very disturbing to say the least. Overall, I feel VERY fortunate that I'm alive and that my injuries aren't worse. As I was in the air, all I could think was DON'T HIT MY HEAD. Luckily when I did hit my head a few times, it wasn't very hard, judging from helmet damage. Once I landed, my body reacted by immediatley going into fetal position and I felt a tremendous tightening/pressure all over my body that lasted probably 20 seconds. When this went away, I began testing limbs and checking for injury. Park Police and EMT were there pretty quickly. I turned down a trip to a DC hospital, but went to Reston hospital when I got home. Other driver is at fault, but haven't heard her insurance's stand on this. I've been told by witnesses and police that it was clear she was at fault. We'll see how this progresses. Gear did great. JR Alter-Ego pants and jacket, walmart 10" boots, olympia street gloves, HJC cl-14 helmet. It would have been far worse had I worn anything less than full gear and full helmet. Bike - forks bent back to frame/headers, rim bent, fairing/gear cluster smashed, various damage to engine cases and parts mounted to them, broken muffler bracket, dented gas tank, radiator crushed, frame bent, etc etc. I have some pics I will email to someone if they will host them. So here I am. Lucky to be alive and well enough. Fyi - My wrist watch, which was found 10' from me, still shows time at moment of impact. Talk about an eery reminder. Hoping I won't need them, but if anyone can recommend a good lawyer, I'd appreciate it. Ride safe, Jimmy - ZRX '03 *dead* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:46:23 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:43:27 -0400 To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me At 7/13/2006 10:59 AM, James O'Connor wrote: >20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate >happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. Bike is replaceable...and from what you describe, will be by the other person's insurance. Good that you are relatively ok! >Fortunately, I landed flat on my back. Pretty much a perfect landing then. ;-) >some injury to my nether-region as my crotch's impact with the gas >tank was severe enough to crumple the tank in this area. Bruising Ouch! Maybe we should add a "cup" to the basic minimal equipment list? Especially for those with "stomach lounge" gas tanks? >Other driver is at fault, but haven't heard her insurance's stand on >this. I've been told by witnesses and police that it was clear she >was at fault. We'll see how this progresses. From what I was told by a cop in Maryland (I was an accident witness once upon a time) the driver who changes direction is always found to be at fault, so long as the other driver was obeying the laws. Lane change, turns, etc. all count as "changes direction". In your case she made an illegal turn (*obviously* failed to yield, as required), while you were going straight and within the speed limit, so it's her fault. Hard to imagine reaching any other conclusion, but as you say, we'll see. Has she said, "I didn't see the motorcycle" yet? That's got to come up at some point in this one... Hope you heal quickly and completely! -- Mike B. -- Drama is life with the dull bits cut out. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:46:39 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:46:31 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Corbett B" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sidecar classes this weekend at NOVA CC Cc: "DC Cycles" Due to a schedule conflict, I wasn't able to sign up. For those interested, there is another session scheduled for the weekend of September 15-16-17. I've often wondered why weekend parking hang tags can't provided as a matter of course and rolled into the cost of the rider training classes, but that decision is made at a level way above my pay grade. Paul in DC (and occasional MSF guy at NVCC Loudoun) On 7/13/06, Corbett B wrote: > Just checking to see if anyone else on the DC Cycles > List is signed up for the Sidecar Classes this weekend > at the Loudon Campus of NOVA CC. I called to verify > yesterday that it is a "go." Turns out there's 9 folks > signed up (we only needed 5 to assure the class would > take place) and they'll provide text/workbooks at the > class. The class is 'rain or shine.' I asked about > parking too, Continuing Education said that we can > either by a parking pass before class or feed meters > all weekend (@ 75 cents and hour.) > > SO...who else is coming? > > > -Corbett > '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto > '99 BMW K1200RS > '82 Honda CB750F (future Cafe Racer) > '82 Honda XL250R (Ready to Sell) > '78 Honda CB750k (future Cafe Racer or restore) > AMA Member > BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:49:16 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:03 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Motorcycle Shop -- Bankruptcy Auction-- Mostly tools If you are looking for some good deals on tools, check out the auction at http://www.rasmus.com/auction_detail.php?ID=102911. This is a local auction house and they're running a bankruptcy on the American V-Twin Cycle Shop in Woodbridge (that name rings a bell but I have never been there). The auction is late next week online. There's no complete bikes for auction but there is a ton of shop-quality tools, lifts, air compressors, etc and also some tires, a couple of jackets, etc. I've done business with this auction house before; they're on the level and won't disappear with your money but I have to say, sometimes they are not well organized during pickup times, so if you do bid/win, plan accordingly. It may take you 10 minutes to fetch your items, it may take you 2 hours. They add a premium to your purchase for their service; I believe it is 5% but there's still good deals to be had. Credit card only, pickup only and online bidding only. There is an all-day open inspection period next Tuesday so you can see what you are bidding on before you commit. No fair bidding against me! Cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:50:03 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:48:59 -0400 To: Corbett B , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sidecar classes this weekend at NOVA CC At 7/13/2006 11:23 AM, Corbett B wrote: >Just checking to see if anyone else on the DC Cycles >List is signed up for the Sidecar Classes this weekend >at the Loudon Campus of NOVA CC. Will they teach you to "fly" the sidecar in that? Just curious. The MCHOG annual picnic was last weekend, and Devin Battley showed up with his "Polite" bike with sidecar. For the "slow ride" competition he made it fair by doing the slow ride with the sidecar off the ground. Impressive display of skill there...straight and slow with the car's wheel hanging a foot in the air...and slower than most managed without that extra handicap! -- Mike B. -- It's 106 ms to Chicago, we've got a full disk of GIFs, half a meg of hypertext,it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." "Click it." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 11:57:46 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:57:28 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "lister lynch" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/13/06, lister lynch wrote: > Glad to hear that you are still in fairly good shape. > > You need to get a police report. In DC, many times the (lazy ass) PD will > not write a report for a "fender bender" in which no one was hospitalized. > Ask me how I know. If you are in DC and get hit, take a ride from the > ambulance so they have to write a report. Without a police report, the "at > fault" party's insurance company will do an internal investigation and find > no fault on their part and therefore not pay anything out. Ask me how I > know. > > Again, glad you could walk away. > > Mike > Yuck, I hate to hear about these things, but glad James is mostly OK. Make sure you follow up on your injuries, especially if you need physical therapy to get back to 100%. Don't just "tough it out." Prolly another BDC commuter focused on "Miller Time" and making the mad dash for the Memorial Bridge. Did the driver receive a ticket for failure to yield, since it seemed obvious to the responding officer and witnesses, not to mention the physical damage. I'd follow up with the Park Police just to make sure. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 12:45:32 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:44:37 -0400 From: Skip Smith CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1598/Thu Jul 13 07:38:16 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean James O'Connor wrote: > 20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate > happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. > I have some pics I will email to someone if > they will host them. pics are up http://blackroses.com/~skip/oconnor/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 12:50:23 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:16 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me As regards your 'nads colliding with the tank (http://blackroses.com/~skip/oconnor/DSC01291.jpg.JPG) I would definitely go after some serious "pain and suffering" money! Ouch! I'm just glad you're still here to tell us about it! Perry On 7/13/06, Skip Smith wrote: > > > James O'Connor wrote: > > 20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate > > happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. > > > I have some pics I will email to someone if > > they will host them. > > > > pics are up > > http://blackroses.com/~skip/oconnor/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 13:09:34 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sidecar classes this weekend at NOVA CC To: DC Cycles Indeed, "flying the chair" part of the course description. -C --- "Mike B." wrote: > At 7/13/2006 11:23 AM, Corbett B wrote: > >Just checking to see if anyone else on the DC > Cycles > >List is signed up for the Sidecar Classes this > weekend > >at the Loudon Campus of NOVA CC. > > Will they teach you to "fly" the sidecar in that? > Just curious. The MCHOG > annual picnic was last weekend, and Devin Battley > showed up with his > "Polite" bike with sidecar. For the "slow ride" > competition he made it > fair by doing the slow ride with the sidecar off the > ground. Impressive > display of skill there...straight and slow with the > car's wheel hanging a > foot in the air...and slower than most managed > without that extra handicap! > > -- Mike B. > -- > It's 106 ms to Chicago, we've got a full disk of > GIFs, half a meg of > hypertext,it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." > "Click it." > > > -Corbett '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '99 BMW K1200RS '82 Honda CB750F (future Cafe Racer) '82 Honda XL250R (Ready to Sell) '78 Honda CB750k (future Cafe Racer or restore) AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 13:16:04 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:15:32 -0500 (CDT) From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Rules of Motorcycle Wisdom 1. A 'good' ride is one you can walk away from. A 'great' ride is one you can walk away from and still be able to use the bike again. 2. Every ride is optional. 3. If you push the bars left, the bike goes left. If you push the bars right the bike goes right. That is, unless you continue pushing the bars all the way, then the bike will go down. 4. Riding a motorcycle isn't dangerous. Crashing one is. 5. The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire. 6. The rear wheel is just a big fan on back of the bike used to keep the rider cool and his/her butt relaxed. Going into a corner too fast and slamming on the rear brake causes the "fan" to abruptly stop. When this happens you can actually see the rider start sweating and his/her butt become tense. 7. When in doubt slow down. No one has ever hit anything too slowly. 8. Always learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself. 9. You'll know you've left the sidestand down when all left turn are Bat-turns and you'll know you've left the centerstand down when you're in 1st gear at 4000 rpm, going nowhere. 10. Never let a motorcycle take you somewhere your brain didn't get to at least three seconds earlier. 11. Always try to keep the number of times you put your sidestand down equal to the number of times you put the sidestand up. 12. There are two simple rules for riding smoothly and fast in snow and on ice. Unfortunately nobody knows what they are. 13. You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck. 14. If all you can see in your mirrors is sparks and all you can hear is screaming from your passenger, things may not be as they should be. 15. In the ongoing battle between objects made of metal, rubber and fiberglass going 100+ miles per hour and the ground going zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose. (Same goes for cars, large trucks, and animals taller than you. Draws don't count.) 16. Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, experience usually comes from bad judgment. 17. Keep looking around. There's always something you've missed. 18. Remember, gravity and centrifugal force are not just good ideas. They're laws and are not subject to appeal. 19. The two most useless things to a rider are the braking distance behind you and nine-tenths of a second ago. 20. Dead, flat animals are slippery. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 13:24:39 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:24:30 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me James- Glad to hear you're OK! The accident you had accounts for the highest amount of bike fatality of any accident. You've got zero reaction time and basically hit a steel wall. Don't worry about the bike, that's what insurance is for. Just concentrate on healing and making sure you're protected financially. I'll echo everyone else's statement on the police report. You can't be without one. Sounds like the accident was serious enough to necessitate one, though. Good luck on the crotch thing, dude. Ouch. The only person who's supposed to be allowed to take your nads away is your wife. Quotes from MSF: Approximately three-quarters of the crashes studied involved a motorcycle colliding with another vehicle. In two-thirds of these crashes, the other vehicle violated the motorcyclist's right-of-way. A USC study found that about 25 percent of all motorcycle crashes studied were the result of the other vehicle turning left across a motorcyclist's path. http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/SharingTheRoadway8.04revs.pdf Feel better. -James From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 13:58:05 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:57:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: James O'Connor >Date: 2006/07/13 Thu AM 09:59:38 CDT >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me >20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate >happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. > I'm glad to hear that you're ok. Bikes can always be replaced. Not so with limbs and lives. I hope the cager was at least cited. Heal up and get well soon. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 14:37:33 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:37:23 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow that sucks. Good to hear that it's limited injury without all the broken bones! whew! The CL-14 is a good helmet. you can get a replacement on ebay for like $85 shipped brand new now. Mine was more comfortable than the ac-11. Don't hesitate to see a specialist about any and every area of your body affected. The more you run up in medical bills the more you get for pain and suffering. Also be sure to note how your sex life has suffered, they pay extra money for that. (they have a list of how much to pay for what kind of suffering you've done, it's weird). Usually, from what they told me, they calculate settlements like this, they find out your medical bill total, then tripple it, giving 1/3 to the lawyer, 1/3 rd to you, adn 1/3 rd to pay off all the medical. The lawyer will tell you to run up the therapy bills. Do it. More money for you. If your groin area is sore.. go see a specialist. Make sure everything is ok. You dont' want to skip that doctor, make your settlement now..then in 5 years find out you can' thave kids because of the accident.. etc etc. IF it's sore, get it checked out by a specialist. If the lawyer sends you to the chiropracter, and he seems like a quack.. don't qualm.. just go. the the medical pile up. more money in your pocket. When a driver cut me off turning right from the middle lane, 7 ambulance chacers representing lawyers called my phone at like 5:30 to 7:30 a.m in the morning all leaving messages. well now you have a spectacular accident story to tell. I'm guessing you're going to keep riding? have you thought about what bike you want next? - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 14:41:44 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:41:36 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: dcpatti Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Motorcycle Shop -- Bankruptcy Auction-- Mostly tools Cc: "DC Cycles" cool find. I remember going to thier in person auctions for computers over a decade and a half ago. I bought my IBM luggable from them for like $85. It was pretty cool at the time. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 15:19:44 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Don't hesitate to see a specialist about any and every area of your > body affected. The more you run up in medical bills the more you get > for pain and suffering. ... > Also be sure to note how your sex life has > suffered, they pay extra money for that. ... > lawyer will tell you to run up the therapy bills. Do it. More money > for you. ... > and he seems > like a quack.. don't qualm.. just go. the the medical pile up. more > money in your pocket. Is it me or does this perfectly illustrate what is so out of control in this country? Im not at all saying to not go to a doc and appropriate specialists to get checked over and back on the road to recovery and full health. But this? Can't we stop resorting to the the welfare mentality? The insurance company owes you a windfall of money? This kind of attitude is downright shameful, juvenile, and pathetic. This whole "pain and suffering" is a bunch of crap except in the extreme cases (amputation, vegetables, very serious and long rehab from grave injuries). I have no beef with getting refunded for replacing the bike at full replacement value, paying all appropriate medical and rehab costs fully, and lost wages. Personally lawyers should be barred from claiming more than ~5% of the take for their services. The legislatures are quite capable of passing such a law. Heck, the insurance companies ought to be fighting tooth and nail to rain in the litigation. Civil society is a two way street. Victims need to exercise prudence, judgement, and restraint. (we know lawyers are incapable of such *duck*) Since when is life all about trying to stick up some faceless company or gov't agency for a payoff? That's theft arising out of pure selfishness. I don't appreciate having my and everybody elses' rates hiked to cover irresponsible 'victim" claims. > well now you have a spectacular accident story to tell. Im sure he could do without. Get well soon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 15:33:27 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: DCcycles I'm with matthew on this one. Glad to hear that you are ok and recuperating. Why overdo what you are actually owed? Get the help that you NEED not the help that's not. Use a trusted doc or therapist or other reliable source and get fixed but you shouldn't be out there to screw the other person wrongly. THat's a whole other mess. On the moto topic, what's a good route to Northern Michigan? ian --- matthew patton wrote: > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > Don't hesitate to see a specialist about any and > every area of your > > body affected. The more you run up in medical > bills the more you get > > for pain and suffering. > ... > > Also be sure to note how your sex life has > > suffered, they pay extra money for that. > ... > > lawyer will tell you to run up the therapy bills. > Do it. More money > > for you. > ... > > and he seems > > like a quack.. don't qualm.. just go. the the > medical pile up. more > > money in your pocket. > > Is it me or does this perfectly illustrate what is > so out of control in > this country? Im not at all saying to not go to a > doc and appropriate > specialists to get checked over and back on the road > to recovery and > full health. But this? Can't we stop resorting to > the the welfare > mentality? The insurance company owes you a windfall > of money? This > kind of attitude is downright shameful, juvenile, > and pathetic. This > whole "pain and suffering" is a bunch of crap except > in the extreme > cases (amputation, vegetables, very serious and long > rehab from grave > injuries). I have no beef with getting refunded for > replacing the bike > at full replacement value, paying all appropriate > medical and rehab > costs fully, and lost wages. Personally lawyers > should be barred from > claiming more than ~5% of the take for their > services. The legislatures > are quite capable of passing such a law. Heck, the > insurance companies > ought to be fighting tooth and nail to rain in the > litigation. > > Civil society is a two way street. Victims need to > exercise prudence, > judgement, and restraint. (we know lawyers are > incapable of such > *duck*) Since when is life all about trying to stick > up some faceless > company or gov't agency for a payoff? That's theft > arising out of pure > selfishness. I don't appreciate having my and > everybody elses' rates > hiked to cover irresponsible 'victim" claims. > > > well now you have a spectacular accident story to > tell. > > Im sure he could do without. > > Get well soon. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 15:36:58 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:36:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: matthew patton >Date: 2006/07/13 Thu PM 02:19:12 CDT >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me >--- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >> Don't hesitate to see a specialist about any and every area of your >> body affected. The more you run up in medical bills the more you get >> for pain and suffering. >... >> Also be sure to note how your sex life has >> suffered, they pay extra money for that. >... >> lawyer will tell you to run up the therapy bills. Do it. More money >> for you. >... >> and he seems >> like a quack.. don't qualm.. just go. the the medical pile up. more >> money in your pocket. > >Is it me or does this perfectly illustrate what is so out of control in >this country? no, it's not just you. I can now see why insurance costs are so f'ing high. I'm all for compensation that's justified but just to run up a bill to get paid more money only means the insurance companies need to recoup that money through increased premiums. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 15:48:16 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:47:33 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Ian Schmidt" Cc: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] was: insurance finagles, now Mich. U.P. On 7/13/06, Ian Schmidt wrote: > On the moto topic, what's a good > route to Northern Michigan? > > ian > As in the U.P? Southern Michigan has got to be some of the flattest country around. If you're going to the U.P., check out the Iron Range area and the Lake Superior shoreline. Last time I rode between Toledo and Mackinaw City I slabbed it via US 23 and I-75, in the interests of getting it over with ASAP. I bedded down for the night in a campground in West Branch, Mich. Just me, a couple of pop-up campers and a couple hundred thousand hungry mosquitoes. If you want to spend more time in the Lower Peninsula, the Sleeping Bear Dunes area on the Lake Michigan shore is probably worth a look-see. Haven't been there on a bike. I have a trip to the Twin Cities coming up in August and I'm toying with the idea of getting there the long way, via a Lake Superior circle tour. Paul in DC 95 VFR (bug-collector) - 90 KLR (swamp buggy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 15:53:47 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:53:37 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me It's the cycle of life.. LOL I say stick it to the insurance co when you can... because they'll stick it to you when they can. Also our rates only generally go up when we are at fault. Back to the cycle of life arguement... We stick it to the INS co, who in turn sticks it to the bad drivers, who in turn realise INS is kicking thier ass so they realize they have to stop driving like idiots because they can't afford it to go up or don't want to get dropped. If we don't kick the insurance companys ass then the insurance company might not kick their asses. Stick it to the INS co I say. When did we start expecting politicians to be more than apathetic, much less atruistic? - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 16:03:57 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:03:44 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Oh and I have little sympathy for a company that's making a profit off the threat of danger. Insurance might make some high payouts sometimes.. but they're still in business so they must be taking profits.. which make your rates higher.. but let's talk theory.. can we get a profit sharing.. "credit union" type of company? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 16:05:38 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: now Mich. U.P. If I may recommend, take US6 west of NJ all the way to Niagara. ride the slab on the north side of lake Erie. Do the MI thumb north of Detroit and cut straight across to Traverse City. Go up the shoreline road north to St. Ignace. There are some nifty roads on the east coast too supposdely but MI is a lot of wasteland. CA route 2 (or is it 17) from St. Sault Marie to Quebeck is plain 4 lane slab. If you have the option, take a dual-sport bike. there are a large network of offroad snowmobile trails in northern and UP Michigan. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 16:11:52 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:11:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Danny Motorcycle >Date: 2006/07/13 Thu PM 02:53:37 CDT >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me >It's the cycle of life.. LOL > >I say stick it to the insurance co when you can... because they'll >stick it to you when they can. Also our rates only generally go up >when we are at fault. > >Back to the cycle of life arguement... > >We stick it to the INS co, who in turn sticks it to the bad drivers, >who in turn realise INS is kicking thier ass so they realize they have >to stop driving like idiots because they can't afford it to go up or >don't want to get dropped. If we don't kick the insurance companys >ass then the insurance >company might not kick their asses. > >Stick it to the INS co I say. > >When did we start expecting politicians to be more than apathetic, >much less atruistic? > >- Danny holy mother of Christ...you've said some incredibly stupid things in the past but this one doesn't just take the cake, it stole the entire bakery. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 16:17:48 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:17:41 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "adamme@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rules of Motorcycle Wisdom Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 21. At intersections, cars you see and don't see, do not see you, and will turn left in front of you. You can keep that in mind and slow down, or you can go crashing into the side of it. Your choice. 22. Just when you think everything is fine and moving along nicely... another vehicle will cut over a lane or two and hit you trying to make a turn from the wrong lane or trying to take an exit ramp. Do not trust the vehicles around you that appear to be going along with you. they are not your friends. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 16:23:20 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:10 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "adamme@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > holy mother of Christ...you've said some incredibly stupid things in the past but this one doesn't just > take the cake, it stole the entire bakery. Really? I reviewed it again.. and it still makes sense to me. Seems logical enough... but I really hate to be stupid.. so maybe you could educate me. what makes it stupid? where is the flaw in my thinking? I know James an I have pretty respectible insurance rates dispite all the idiotic accidents out there. Who are all these people getting reamed by the insurance companies, while have a respectible driving record, because of accidents and lawsuits etc? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 16:24:43 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me / Insurance I see both sides of this one. On one hand, I'm all for only claiming what's fair, and not running up the tab to increase the settlement. After all, it all comes out of our pockets at the end. *HOWEVER* The deck is heavily stacked in the insurance company's favor. They made the rules (with the help of their hired attorneys & politicians), they do everything in their power to avoid paying out any money, and they'll delay the process as long as possible. In that light, I see nothing wrong with playing by *their* rules. If the tables were fair I might not see it that way, but they own the system. So, for my $.02, see every doctor, go to every PT session, and do everything in your power that *might* help even a little. Don't settle until you know you're FULLY healed. Only then discuss the $$$. Oh, yeah - document *everything* and keep reciepts. If you need an attorney, let me know and I'll find the card of the guy I consulted with. Dunno if he practices in DC (mine was in VA), but he was worth every penny I paid him. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 16:48:40 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:48:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Danny Motorcycle >Date: 2006/07/13 Thu PM 03:23:10 CDT >To: "adamme@XXXXXX" >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me >> holy mother of Christ...you've said some incredibly stupid things in the past but this one doesn't just >> take the cake, it stole the entire bakery. > > >Really? I reviewed it again.. and it still makes sense to me. Seems >logical enough... but I really hate to be stupid.. so maybe you could >educate me. >what makes it stupid? where is the flaw in my thinking? ..in ever single sentence. You screw the ins co, they end up screwing *me*. MY rates go up, YOUR rates go up, EVERYONE'S rates go up. That's the way it works. Insurance companies are in the business TO MAKE MONEY. If they're losing money, they hav etomake it up somewhere...I'll give you one guess where that is. > >I know James an I have pretty respectible insurance rates dispite all >the idiotic accidents out there. ..as compared to what? Your rates are as high as they are because of those who make inflated claims before you. If those claims didn't happen, your rates would be lower. Why do you think rates are different all over the US? Because accident rates are geographically diffent. More accidents = more claims = high premiums. It's just that simple. >Who are all these people getting reamed by the insurance companies, >while have a respectible driving record, because of accidents and >lawsuits etc? ..uh DUH Danny. Bad drivers, false claims...you can't be serious From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 17:35:05 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:34:54 -0400 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Hey Jimmy. Sorry to hear the news, but glad it was you telling it. Most everything has already been said, so I won't repeat anything other than heal fast and heal well. If you need anything, let us know. Rob '98 VFR800 Germantown, MD On 7/13/06, James O'Connor wrote: > 20,000 miles of commuting into DC everday and the unfortunate > happened. I'm ok(ish), bike is totalled I believe. > > Tuesday, 7/11/06 @ 5:38pm - I was on Constitution Ave eastbound > traveling approx 20-25 mph and as approaching intersection of 22nd, > an oncoming car made left turn (yield on green) and crossed in front > of me leaving me neraly zero time to do anything but lock the brakes. > I was in far right lane, which was moving well. Middle and left > lanes were stopped due to congestion. I always look above roofs to > watch for danger. Didn't see this car before it was too late. Maybe > 10-15' of reaction distance. As a result, I t-boned the car (Camry) > at the A-pillar, which unfortunately is a heavily reinforced area. I > went up and over the car and landed about 15' beyond impact point. > Fortunately, I landed flat on my back. Injuries so far - fractured > right wrist, sore back, minor cuts, rash, and bruises. Possibly also > some injury to my nether-region as my crotch's impact with the gas > tank was severe enough to crumple the tank in this area. Bruising > here is very disturbing to say the least. Overall, I feel VERY > fortunate that I'm alive and that my injuries aren't worse. As I was > in the air, all I could think was DON'T HIT MY HEAD. Luckily when I > did hit my head a few times, it wasn't very hard, judging from helmet > damage. Once I landed, my body reacted by immediatley going into > fetal position and I felt a tremendous tightening/pressure all over > my body that lasted probably 20 seconds. When this went away, I > began testing limbs and checking for injury. Park Police and EMT > were there pretty quickly. I turned down a trip to a DC hospital, > but went to Reston hospital when I got home. > > Other driver is at fault, but haven't heard her insurance's stand on > this. I've been told by witnesses and police that it was clear she > was at fault. We'll see how this progresses. > > Gear did great. JR Alter-Ego pants and jacket, walmart 10" boots, > olympia street gloves, HJC cl-14 helmet. It would have been far > worse had I worn anything less than full gear and full helmet. > > Bike - forks bent back to frame/headers, rim bent, fairing/gear > cluster smashed, various damage to engine cases and parts mounted to > them, broken muffler bracket, dented gas tank, radiator crushed, > frame bent, etc etc. I have some pics I will email to someone if > they will host them. > > So here I am. Lucky to be alive and well enough. Fyi - My wrist > watch, which was found 10' from me, still shows time at moment of > impact. Talk about an eery reminder. > > Hoping I won't need them, but if anyone can recommend a good lawyer, > I'd appreciate it. > > Ride safe, > > Jimmy > - ZRX '03 *dead* > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 18:45:09 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt To: Paul Wilson Cc: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: was: insurance finagles, now Mich. U.P. I have friends in the Glen Arbor area and I was actually heading there and then out to the Manitou Isles for some hiking camping. It is gorgeous so that's where I'm headed I was pretty sure there wasn't a lot of not flat parts lower MI but I thought I might check. Ian --- Paul Wilson wrote: > On 7/13/06, Ian Schmidt > wrote: > > On the moto topic, what's a good > > route to Northern Michigan? > > > > ian > > > As in the U.P? Southern Michigan has got to be some > of the flattest > country around. If you're going to the U.P., check > out the Iron Range > area and the Lake Superior shoreline. > > Last time I rode between Toledo and Mackinaw City I > slabbed it via US > 23 and I-75, in the interests of getting it over > with ASAP. I bedded > down for the night in a campground in West Branch, > Mich. Just me, a > couple of pop-up campers and a couple hundred > thousand hungry > mosquitoes. > > If you want to spend more time in the Lower > Peninsula, the Sleeping > Bear Dunes area on the Lake Michigan shore is > probably worth a > look-see. Haven't been there on a bike. > > I have a trip to the Twin Cities coming up in August > and I'm toying > with the idea of getting there the long way, via a > Lake Superior > circle tour. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR (bug-collector) - 90 KLR (swamp buggy) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 18:56:04 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:55:57 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Ian Schmidt" Cc: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: was: insurance finagles, now Mich. U.P. On 7/13/06, Ian Schmidt wrote: > I have friends in the Glen Arbor area and I was > actually heading there and then out to the Manitou > Isles for some hiking camping. It is gorgeous so > that's where I'm headed I was pretty sure there wasn't > a lot of not flat parts lower MI but I thought I might > check. > > Ian > Sweet. A great place to spend some time, just as the mugginess settles in over DC. Enjoy! You can ride through Hell, Michigan, just to say you've been to Hell and back. :) I'm afraid that once you get out of Eastern Ohio, twisties are not on the menu. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 19:13:58 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:13:50 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "adamme@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >I know James an I have pretty respectible insurance rates dispite all > >the idiotic accidents out there. > > ..as compared to what? as compared to other people with the same insurance. Some people get rates of 4,000 a year. Mine is only $400 a year. > Your rates are as high as they are because of those >who make inflated claims >before you. I don't feel my rates are high. $400 a year (late model litre sportbike) compared others who pay a hundred or two a month. Their rates go up not mine... based on them having bad driving histories. See how that works? >If those claims didn't happen, your rates would be lower. How much lower? I dont' see my rates jump.. unlike those who have at fault accidents. >Why do >you think >rates are different all over the US? Because >accident rates are >geographically >diffent. More accidents = more claims = high >premiums. It's just >that simple. Ok where are the rates cheaper? Who's paying less than $400/yr for a gsxr 1000 or kawasaki zx10? My buddy in DC has a zx10 and he pays about the same. Of course we're both over 30.. and then get a price quote for a 20 year old for the same bike(s).. in the same area (or a different area) He's looking at 4 grand a year.. more claims means higher premiums for those who have at fault accidents and tickets. Good. they should pay more. > >Who are all these people getting reamed by the insurance companies, > >while have a respectible driving record, because of accidents and > >lawsuits etc? > > ..uh DUH Danny. Bad drivers, false claims...you can't be serious Maybe you didn't understand. I was asking who has high insurance rates and a clean driving record? Show these people to me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 19:26:30 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:26:12 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:13 PM 7/13/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Maybe you didn't understand. I was asking who has high insurance >rates and a clean driving record? Show these people to me. *sigh*...someone please hand me a clue-bat. FORTY PERCENT of your insurance premium is used to cover *other peoples claims* Yes, that's right FORTY PERCENT. Add your credit, accident, age, maritial status and claim history and it can even be higher. http://insurance.freeadvice.com/insurance_help.php/102_171_613.htm http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=2750&item_id=0199-1883272 http://autoadvice.about.com/od/carfinancing/f/factorates.htm http://www.ohioinsurance.org/factbook2001/chapter1/chapter_1c.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 13 22:05:55 2006 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX thanks all for the well wishes. today, i got a cast on my arm. not a bad fracture, doc says 6 weeks. also went to my regular doctor to check out my back and groin area. so far so good with the back. they're going to do an ultrasound of my you-know-whats to make sure blood flow etc is ok. not sure if they'll do that tomorrow or next week, but i'm keeping my fingers crossed everything is functioning properly. otherwise, no update from insurance. will keep barking at the door... i got to pick colors/styles for my cast. i picked dinosaurs! still very interested in lawyer recommendations if you've got any. will be offline Fri thru Sun on a long planned camping trip - now, more needed than ever. - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 09:44:33 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:44:09 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Aki Damme" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have read every link you listed however I did not see anywhere that it said my rates are 40% higher because of other peoples accidents. I read 40% in other numbers, but not for that specific quote. Can you be a little more specific? which link? which paragraph? - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 09:47:37 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:47:30 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Aki Damme" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Correction I meant to say i didn't read anywhere it saying 40%of my premium goes to other peoples accidents From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 09:57:21 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:57:14 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Aki Damme" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX But let's say for the sake of time and arguement that 40% of my premium goes to other peoples claims. What does this mean? This means that 50% of my premium is a friggin waste. If 40% pays for other people accidents this year, then say the next year or the one after that, the door revolves and MY accident gets paid for. There's nothing wrong with that. If we had some kind of "credit union" insurance company.. administerd at the dmv, we could cut out the advertising costs, and big coperate spending bloated budgets for offices, and stick employees in old post offices and ex schools. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 10:15:43 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:15:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, matthew patton wrote: > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > Don't hesitate to see a specialist about any and every area of your > > body affected. The more you run up in medical bills the more you get > > for pain and suffering. > ... > > Also be sure to note how your sex life has > > suffered, they pay extra money for that. > ... > > Is it me or does this perfectly illustrate what is so out of control in > this country? Im not at all saying to not go to a doc and appropriate > specialists to get checked over and back on the road to recovery and > full health. But this? While I can't say that going the full quack route is right, being conservative and just getting the bare minimum done is wrong too. As has been said repeatedly, they are out to pay you the least they can. Until you've been in a bad accident and MONTHS (or even YEARS) of your life have sucked as a result of someone's stupidity, please do not make a snap judgment. The pencil pushers at the insurance company are near impossible to deal with and are more apathetic than a 911 operator. I was involved in a pretty bad car wreck about ten years ago. Being an honorable guy I tried to go with the "lets just get the bare minimum done" and not rely on an ambulance chaser. Let me tell you where I got with the insurance company. I tried to get them to just pay for my car damage, ambulance trip and doctors bills. This was a large insurance company, and they tried to squirm out of it. They sided with their insured who claimed I was driving BACKWARDS on the freeway. Even with the police report stating otherwise. Got what I considered a good honest lawyer and I did not have to worry about a thing. He took care of everything and let me concentrate on getting better. I got a settlement that gave me some money, but it was not worth the time that I spent "resting" and not doing the things I wanted. Ask anyone that has been in a bad wreck that has not been their fault, and ask them if the "windfall" was worth their trouble. I don't know of anyone in that situation that wouldn't trade the money for the accident not happening in the first place. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 10:58:18 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:59:27 -0400 To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me At 7/14/2006 10:15 AM, dan wrote: >Ask anyone that has been in a bad wreck that has not been their fault, and >ask them if the "windfall" was worth their trouble. I don't know of >anyone in that situation that wouldn't trade the money for the accident >not happening in the first place. Even a not very bad accident. Spring of 2005 I got hit while waiting at a red light. I was behind about 4 cars, and I was careful to watch my mirrors (while ready to move out of the way if necessary) until there were three cars stopped behind me. The guy who was stopped behind me went anyway, just as I'd shifted my attention to the traffic light in anticipation of it going green, and hit me, knocking me off the bike and the bike into the car ahead of me. As car-hits-bike accidents go, it was very minor. Bike got a new front and rear fender, fender supports, right saddle bag and rear lights. I got a bone bruise on my right shin from it hitting under the handlebars as I rotated backwards at impact. The insurance company couldn't have been better about it (USAA). It probably helped that both I and the guy who hit me were both insured with them, but all my dealings with USAA have been efficient and pleasant. They had the bike towed to Rockville H-D, accepted the estimate the dealer gave for repairs, adjusted it when a bit more damage was noticed during the repairs, and, when my leg turned colors and swelled up 6 days after the accident, paid for the doctor and ultrasound tests to make sure there was no blood clot without any argument. They even threw in $1k for pain, suffering and lost work (I used a couple of days of vacation time). No lawyers were involved...I just sent them pictures of my leg to show that there was indeed injury, and pics a witness took at the scene to show the bike and its relationship to the car that hit it, and a text description of the accident. A few phone calls were involved too, but all were pleasant enough...just them asking for what they needed to document it so they could send checks, and me getting it to them. As bills were submitted, they sent checks...generally within a day or two. Still, as you say, I'd much rather the guy not have hit me. The hassle, the pain and the inability to do some of the things I wanted to do for a few weeks (like ride my bike in nice weather!) were not really worth the money I got in compensation. At least I got my bike back to its original condition and there was no permanent injury to deal with. Stuff happens. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 11:03:50 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:02:43 -0400 From: Skip Smith CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1599/Fri Jul 14 01:35:31 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean so what you're saying is that you think that the government can solve your problems. they're doing a bang up job with social security... Danny Motorcycle wrote: > But let's say for the sake of time and arguement that 40% of my > premium goes to other peoples claims. What does this mean? This > means that 50% of my premium is a friggin waste. > > If 40% pays for other people accidents this year, then say the next > year or the one after that, the door revolves and MY accident gets > paid for. There's nothing wrong with that. > > If we had some kind of "credit union" insurance company.. administerd > at the dmv, we could cut out the advertising costs, and big coperate > spending bloated > budgets for offices, and stick employees in old post offices and ex > schools. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 11:08:43 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:08:36 -0400 From: Robert To: "Skip Smith" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Okay, I can sort of see that insurance is moto-related, but Social Security? Robert On 7/14/06, Skip Smith wrote: > so what you're saying is that you think that the government can solve > your problems. > > they're doing a bang up job with social security... > > > > > > Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > But let's say for the sake of time and arguement that 40% of my > > premium goes to other peoples claims. What does this mean? This > > means that 50% of my premium is a friggin waste. > > > > If 40% pays for other people accidents this year, then say the next > > year or the one after that, the door revolves and MY accident gets > > paid for. There's nothing wrong with that. > > > > If we had some kind of "credit union" insurance company.. administerd > > at the dmv, we could cut out the advertising costs, and big coperate > > spending bloated > > budgets for offices, and stick employees in old post offices and ex > > schools. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 11:30:26 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:29:10 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: B-DC cycles , maggot X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1599/Fri Jul 14 01:35:31 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [dc-cycles] Sabre Sighting V45 Sabre, Silver with blue stripe, 8:45 am, turning from Fairfax County Parkway onto Monroe street in Herndon, VA. Anyone we know? Additionally, my 11 year old daughter saw it go by and said, "Nice bike!" ahhhh. a future maggot. :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 12:36:00 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:35:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Sabre Sighting To: Skip Smith Cc: DCcycles I hope that my kids say that when I have them. My wife has started saying that more now. Still not interested in very long rides but I can't blame her, R6 not a terribly comfortable passenger seat. Ian --- Skip Smith wrote: > V45 Sabre, Silver with blue stripe, 8:45 am, turning > from Fairfax County > Parkway onto Monroe street in Herndon, VA. > > Anyone we know? > > > Additionally, my 11 year old daughter saw it go by > and said, "Nice bike!" > > ahhhh. a future maggot. :~) > > > --skip > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 12:46:20 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Sabre Sighting Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:45:17 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DCcycles" Alas, my wife has no interest whatsoever. But my 4 year old can say "Harley-Davidson" and proceeds to do so everytime she hears one (which isn't difficult if you catch my drift...) Cedric I hope that my kids say that when I have them. My wife has started saying that more now. Still not interested in very long rides but I can't blame her, R6 not a terribly comfortable passenger seat. Ian > Additionally, my 11 year old daughter saw it go by > and said, "Nice bike!" > > ahhhh. a future maggot. :~) > > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 14:55:38 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:16 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: "matthew patton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm glad the original poster is mostly ok. But, he's not actually entirely ok, you realize. He's got a broken wrist. He'll be in his totally cool dinosaur cast for more than a month. More than a month of not riding his motorcycle, which will, additionally, be a huge pain to either fix or replace; more than a month of accidentally whacking his significant other in the head with his honking big cast; more than a month of being stuck wearing the damn thing in the fetid heat of the DC area... I don't know what your time/life are worth, but if someone takes a large chunk of enjoyment out of mine for weeks on end, I'm pretty sure they owe me more than just a fight to keep from paying off the bills they've caused me. Pain, suffering and loss (even temporary) of faculty are not some sort of bullshit joke to me, even if it makes you feel special to tough it out like a 50s man. (That said, I don't necessarily advocate just flat out making things up to get a few more bucks, but given the nature of the system, I can at least imagine instances where it could be necessary. Capitalism's a bitch sometimes; GEICO doesn't make money by paying out any more than the least it can get away with.) On 7/13/06, matthew patton wrote: > Is it me or does this perfectly illustrate what is so out of control in > this country? Im not at all saying to not go to a doc and appropriate > specialists to get checked over and back on the road to recovery and > full health. But this? Can't we stop resorting to the the welfare > mentality? The insurance company owes you a windfall of money? This > kind of attitude is downright shameful, juvenile, and pathetic. This > whole "pain and suffering" is a bunch of crap except in the extreme > cases (amputation, vegetables, very serious and long rehab from grave > injuries). I have no beef with getting refunded for replacing the bike > at full replacement value, paying all appropriate medical and rehab > costs fully, and lost wages. Personally lawyers should be barred from > claiming more than ~5% of the take for their services. The legislatures > are quite capable of passing such a law. Heck, the insurance companies > ought to be fighting tooth and nail to rain in the litigation. > > Civil society is a two way street. Victims need to exercise prudence, > judgement, and restraint. (we know lawyers are incapable of such > *duck*) Since when is life all about trying to stick up some faceless > company or gov't agency for a payoff? That's theft arising out of pure > selfishness. I don't appreciate having my and everybody elses' rates > hiked to cover irresponsible 'victim" claims. > > > well now you have a spectacular accident story to tell. > > Im sure he could do without. > > Get well soon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 16:41:13 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:40:51 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Shop in Baltimore area We're headed up to Baltimore tomorrow and wanted to see if anyone has any suggestions on shops in the area that might have a good selection of gear? Mainly leathers. My roommate just passed the MSF class and is looking for a good set of pants or even a one piece suit. Problem is, he's a twig. Maybe 150 pounds wet and wears a size 29"/30" waist pants. Since we were taking a road trip, thought we might try some shops up that way so he could try stuff on. Scooter ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 21:42:20 2006 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tyburski To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] fix for cleaner-damaged windshield To the best of my knowledge, I have recently discovered a novel fix for clear plastic windshields and other parts crazed by window cleaner. However, please understand that I have not rigorously checked to see if someone else has already made the same or similar discovery (i.e. it may be old news). Either way, it's worth sharing, especially with motorcycle people. Have you ever gotten a little over zealous with the window cleaner and gotten some on clear plastic? Or maybe a friend or family member thought they would do you a big favor and clean your bike, but they ended up ruining your expensive custom windshield with a blast of Windex. Very clear plastics such as those used for windshields and instrument cluster lenses are sensitive to ammonia-based window cleaners and other harsh chemicals. The damage that occurs from incidental contact is at the surface whereby the plastic becomes crazed and looses it's clarity. In other words, it looks like it has been smudged with something that won't come off. Your answer is some good old Turtle Wax Super Hard Shell Car Wax. Make sure it's safe for clear coat finishes. Apply according to instructions and rub into the damaged area. Let dry, buff, and repeat as necessary. It's a good idea to test on a small spot off to the side before going hog wild and scouring the whole part. You may be able to fix some other minor scuffs and streaks as well with wax. Although it took about 15 repetitions, I fixed the instrument lens of my car and saved $180 on a replacement part. It also worked wonders on the windshield of the Bandit I recently bought. Hope it works for you too! Disclaimer: This is not an advertisement for Turtle Wax. Other brands may work just as well, I simply have not tried them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 14 23:58:48 2006 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXNeYUto3esq39DhrZXwq7sz5qfSHk1vZ2w== To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:56:26 -0400 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-10 From: "Thomas J. Fitzpatrick III" X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1072904697 X-MAIL-INFO: 1f8df1c0a949f0a9498d51a9716490e975096090294da0243d4dc06429c0e4e4d46459c0edc920b021e16161d070c924 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.lax.untd.com|celticracing@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] New Harleys Announced New Harleys announced, and on HD web-site at: http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2007_Motorcycles/2007_Mo torcycles.jsp?locale=en_US All engines have standard fuel injection, the big twin engine is bigger, with six speeds. Tom Fitz, at Whitt's in Manassas. Tom Fitzpatrick was celticracing@XXXXXX NOW celticracing@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 15 12:43:48 2006 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:43:26 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Skip Smith" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/14/06, Skip Smith wrote: > so what you're saying is that you think that the government can solve > your problems. > > they're doing a bang up job with social security... LOL I said credit union. I didn't say government. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 15 12:48:47 2006 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:48:40 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me It's all about the yin and the yang... life has it's ups and downs.. sometimes you get screwed.. sometimes you can screw them. You are all welcome to play good guy and not make the most of your accidents... but maybe next time they might totally screw you... and the sum is.. you end up losing instead of balancing out. If you hit a car and go flying over the hood breaking your wrist, injuring your groin area, and the other soreness (back?) I don't think there is a such thing as a quack route for this scenario. Youd' be entilted to get it all checked out as needed. I've done the good guy stuff in the past nad not made money off it... and in hindsite.. I realize i should have gone to the quackropractor and done the therapy. Lord knows if i'm ever laid up in the hospital (at the fault of another) the other guys insurnace co isn't going to try to pay out the big buck.. take it when you can get it... so later you'll have it when you'll need it. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 15 13:58:46 2006 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me To: DCcycles --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > It's all about the yin and the yang... life has > it's ups and downs.. > sometimes you get screwed.. sometimes you can screw > them. Yes but if you're playing that way then you could just as easily say that you would get screwed less often if you were always using good karma and being the good person instead of looking to screw someone else. Wouldn't that put you in a position to be screwed less?? > You are all welcome to play good guy and not make > the most of your > accidents... but maybe next time they might totally > screw you... and > the sum is.. > you end up losing instead of balancing out. Who's to say that there will be a next time? See example one in previous paragraph. Plus why play the what if game, why not have a little faith in mankind and try to make a change for the better. > If you hit a car and go flying over the hood > breaking your wrist, > injuring your groin area, and the other soreness > (back?) I don't > think there is a such thing as a quack route for > this scenario. Youd' > be entilted to get it all checked out as needed. The key word here is "You'd be entilted to get it all checked out as NEEDED." If you are going above and beyond what they say, then you are going the quack route. I agree with more than one check by TRUSTED physicians. But if 2 or maybe 3 docs tell you the same thing then you might want to end it there and not go to the shady docs. > I've done the good guy stuff in the past nad not > made money off it... > and in hindsite.. I realize i should have gone to > the quackropractor > and done the therapy. > Lord knows if i'm ever laid up in the hospital (at > the fault of > another) the other guys insurnace co isn't going to > try to pay out > the big buck.. Agreed but you're stating a personal opinion of chiropractors or whomever with the quack comment. Agreed that the insurance company isn't going to try very hard dealt with my insurance recently and it was a pain but it did get resolved in the right way. > take it when you can get it... so later you'll have > it when you'll need it. > > - Danny I should put the disclaimer that I am an eternal optimist and always find the good side of things that happen to me and my family/friends. My wife hates this about me when she wants me to have pity for her over something that's happened. Personally I find that it leads me to live a happier existence and helps me to get along better with those that I interact with. Take it or leave it that's my take on this whole thing. Now I'm off to go ride. Later, Ian 04 Red R6 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 15 14:08:32 2006 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:08:25 +0200 From: "Carl Custer" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Shop in Baltimore area Scooter claimed:" We're headed up to Baltimore tomorrow and wanted to see if anyone has any suggestions on shops in the area that might have a good selection of gear? Mainly leathers. My roommate just passed the MSF class and is looking for a good set of pants or even a one piece suit. Problem is, he's a twig. Maybe 150 pounds wet and wears a size 29"/30" waist pants. Since we were taking a road trip, thought we might try some shops up that way so he could try stuff on." Skinny guy? Try Craigslist. Lotsa folks have had their leathers "shrink" and put them up on Craigslist. Also check clearance tables at this Fall's "Open Houses". Oh, Skip, If the Sabre was Silver & blue, it's an 84/85 VF700S -- unless it's a Canuk model. Carl in Madrid From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 15 18:58:50 2006 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:58:14 -0400 From: skip To: Danny Motorcycle CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me X-Spam-Level: *** X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1600/Sat Jul 15 11:03:46 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean you said If we had some kind of "credit union" insurance company.. administerd at the dmv, we could cut out the advertising costs, and big coperate spending bloated budgets for offices, and stick employees in old post offices and ex schools. administered at the DMV implies that it is a government agency, as government agencies don't administer private sector companies. and if it's a private company, you're going to have "advertising costs, and big coperate spending bloated budgets for offices" Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > On 7/14/06, Skip Smith wrote: > > so what you're saying is that you think that the government can solve > > your problems. > > > > they're doing a bang up job with social security... > > LOL I said credit union. I didn't say government. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 15 19:00:48 2006 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:00:17 -0400 From: skip To: John Tyburski CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] fix for cleaner-damaged windshield X-Spam-Level: *** X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1600/Sat Jul 15 11:03:46 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean John Tyburski wrote: > > Your answer is some good old Turtle Wax Super Hard > Shell Car Wax. Toothpaste makes a good start. additionally, Novus2 is really, really good. blue skies! -skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 16 12:20:27 2006 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:20:11 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: skip Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: "Danny Motorcycle" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/15/06, skip wrote: > you said > If we had some kind of "credit union" insurance company.. administerd > at the dmv, we could cut out the advertising costs, and big coperate > spending bloated > budgets for offices, and stick employees in old post offices and ex > schools. This sounds an awful lot like the government-run insurance scheme in the province of Quebec. The same one whose head honcho wants to outlaw sportbikes over 400ccs, by the way. [http://www.capm.qc.ca/nouveau%20site/Communication/Traduction%20AMA%20re%20SAAQ.pdf] Quebec has a two-tier insurance scheme. The government-run insurance, paid in the form of vehicle registration fees, covers all liability claims. Private insurers provide property damage coverage. http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.php -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 16 21:26:44 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:26:25 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Protection In these unsettled times, this rundown with a national overview seems appropriate: Bull's-Eyes of Texas: Getting a Gun License http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/travel/escapes/14shoot.html Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Top Gun Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 08:16:47 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:16:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] All-Purpose Bike http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/07/14/motorbike/index.html Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 08:19:02 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:18:48 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "skip" Cc: "Danny Motorcycle" , Take it from my brother who lives there (Quebec).....2 years driving a Motorcycle, licensed for cars since 16, no accidents or tickets pays 2000 a year for an 04 R6... Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: skip Cc: Danny Motorcycle; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me On 7/15/06, skip wrote: > you said > If we had some kind of "credit union" insurance company.. administerd > at the dmv, we could cut out the advertising costs, and big coperate > spending bloated budgets for offices, and stick employees in old post > offices and ex schools. This sounds an awful lot like the government-run insurance scheme in the province of Quebec. The same one whose head honcho wants to outlaw sportbikes over 400ccs, by the way. [http://www.capm.qc.ca/nouveau%20site/Communication/Traduction%20AMA%20r e%20SAAQ.pdf] Quebec has a two-tier insurance scheme. The government-run insurance, paid in the form of vehicle registration fees, covers all liability claims. Private insurers provide property damage coverage. http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.php -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 08:58:30 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:58:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] All-Purpose Bike Julian pointed out: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/07/14/motorbike/index.html [Dave] hmm... I never thought they'd make a bike uglier than the eyeabuser ;-) Looks interesting though. Of course, we've got enough trouble around here with people being able to control their cages in rain... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 09:22:02 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:21:51 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Paul Wilson CC: Danny Motorcycle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1600/Sat Jul 15 11:03:46 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean just to clarify (as if there could be any confusion) Danny proposed the "credit union" idea. Paul Wilson wrote: > On 7/15/06, skip wrote: >> you said >> If we had some kind of "credit union" insurance company.. administerd >> at the dmv, we could cut out the advertising costs, and big coperate >> spending bloated >> budgets for offices, and stick employees in old post offices and ex >> schools. > > This sounds an awful lot like the government-run insurance scheme in > the province of Quebec. The same one whose head honcho wants to > outlaw sportbikes over 400ccs, by the way. > > [http://www.capm.qc.ca/nouveau%20site/Communication/Traduction%20AMA%20re%20SAAQ.pdf] > > > > Quebec has a two-tier insurance scheme. The government-run insurance, > paid in the form of vehicle registration fees, covers all liability > claims. Private insurers provide property damage coverage. > > > http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.php From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 09:29:46 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:29:45 -0400 From: David Blumgart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned This is in *no* way meant as criticism of Mr. O'Connor. I've done what he did many times, occasionally exactly where he did it. But what I take away from this a reinforcement of the maxim to cross intersections in the left-hand-most lane, ideally with a car/truck/bus escorting me on my right. When that's not practical, as it wasn't here, you've got to be tremendously cautious crossing an intersection in the right lane, especially when it's the right-most of three and traffic congestion to your left obstructs your sight (and the the oncoming traffic's view) of the intersection. James O'Connor wrote: > >...I was on Constitution Ave eastbound >traveling approx 20-25 mph and as approaching intersection of 22nd, >an oncoming car made left turn (yield on green) and crossed in front >of me leaving me neraly zero time to do anything but lock the brakes. > I was in far right lane, which was moving well. Middle and left >lanes were stopped due to congestion. I always look above roofs to >watch for danger. Didn't see this car before it was too late... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 10:40:04 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:35:58 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] All-Purpose Bike At 7/17/2006 08:16 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/07/14/motorbike/index.html I'm not sure I like the idea of having my feet locked into the pedals...especially if riding off-road... -- Mike B. -- Experience: a name everyone gives to his mistakes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 14:39:07 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:38:50 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Cc: "rich hall" Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride to work today lunch Wednesday July 19th - reminder this is set for 12:00 at Kramer's 1517 Conn. Avenue, NW. - Just Above Dupont Circle In The Heart of Washington, D.C. www.kramers.com I am thinking of playing hooky that day so if anyone feels like riding in the morning let me know. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 14:45:39 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:45:26 -0400 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Carlisle Summer Bike Fest Thinking of going to the Carlisle Bike fest this weekend. Has anyone ever gone is it worth the ride up. Sounds like they have a lot of venders and bikes to drool over. Art From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 15:17:05 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:14:44 -0400 To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Carlisle Summer Bike Fest At 7/17/2006 02:45 PM, Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E] wrote: >Thinking of going to the Carlisle Bike fest this weekend. Has anyone >ever gone is it worth the ride up. Sounds like they have a lot of >venders and bikes to drool over. I hear there are also a lot of nice cars too. My understanding is that it's a hot rod show that added bikes to the lineup a while back. -- Mike B. -- Ford: "Making you think that quality is job 1 is job 1." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 17 19:21:59 2006 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:21:48 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "W.S." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Protection Cc: DC-Cycles IIRC one can apply for a florida CCW permit and be legal with it in VA.. From what I recall, they have a very liberal issuance policy of "if you apply, and you're record is clean, they will issue". this way you wouldn't have to ride with it openly if you would prefer not to (thus on topic). Feel free to correct me anyone. maybe it's not florida but somewhere else? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 07:41:42 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:41:31 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: Icon Mainfram helmet I bought an Icon Mainframe helmet (medium, white) from New Enough leathers in January for my g/f. It was too large for her. Other than trying it on to see if it fits, it is unworn and remains in the box. It was never worn on the bike, dropped, etc. I missed the return period by a long shot and am tired of having the box in my office reminding me of my sloth. First $20 and willingness to pick it up at my office at Metro Center (12th & G) takes it. Aaron 202-434-5282 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 08:15:47 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:15:38 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: FS: Icon Mainfram helmet Gone to a good home. On 7/18/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > I bought an Icon Mainframe helmet (medium, white) from New Enough > leathers in January for my g/f. It was too large for her. Other than > trying it on to see if it fits, it is unworn and remains in the box. > It was never worn on the bike, dropped, etc. I missed the return > period by a long shot and am tired of having the box in my office > reminding me of my sloth. > > First $20 and willingness to pick it up at my office at Metro Center > (12th & G) takes it. > > Aaron > 202-434-5282 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 10:20:39 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Its Way Too Quiet Thought I'd share my experience with my patched tire. Some of you might remember I got a nice little screw in my rear tire after the first ride on it. Not wanting wanting to throw a nice tire away since I'm not $hitting money, I went to Wal-Mart and bought a standard $2 patching kit. John Kozyn was kind enough to assist me, so we removed the tire, roughed up the surface, put the glue down, lit the glue on fire, and then put on the patch. Well, the tire is dead now after several thousand miles. Riding was 90% aggressive VA/WV mountain riding, with the rest commuting on I-395. Here is a pic of the patch still in place: http://mysite.verizon.net/vfr800fi/IMG_0648.jpg and here is a pic of my front tire with "0" track days to show its been ridden hard. http://mysite.verizon.net/vfr800fi/IMG_0649.jpg After this experience I will no doubt patch another one should this happen again. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 12:23:01 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:22:36 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me I just want to be clear, I'm not for getting rid of insurance companies and replacing it with government. (as a side note: It's a shame that we accept government is bad and assume it will be bad instead of holding it accountable and try to see it be efficient.) Being the conservative that I am, I'm not for big government.. but a the same time, the government can provide for a common need. I think the post office is a decent example... however I'm still talking about a non government credit union. Administered was a bad choice in wording. Available at the dmv would be better I suppose. we have credit union that co-exist with banks... and comparing them to banks, we seem to get a much better deal. Is that an impossible scenario for insurance? Julian: How old is your brother btw? As far as optimism... it reminds me of the guy on a flooded rooftop saying god will save me to the 3 different avenues of being saved. maybe your'e supposed to get this money. personally i think chairopracty is quackery however if going to it balances out with adding to your money for pain and suffering. Go. I'm not saying fake broken bones and all that. lol. If you some of you guys would rather not make the most of your accident, more power to you. - Danny We also know that canadians are gay. (just joking aboot that lol). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 12:27:08 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:26:57 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "David Blumgart" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm glad you said that... I otherwise I (as well as others?) wouldn't have thought about it. In retrospect, it would also avoid a lot of the idiotic drivers who want to make right hand turns from the middle or left lane and don't see you. That's happened to me, and also it happened to a friend about a month ago. note to self, avoid the right lane near intersections. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 12:46:09 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Part of the reason I'm guessing any of us commutes on a bike is the ability to navigate congestion more easily. Sitting in a line of stopped traffic, when I have a perfectly good lane of travel open for me isn't a strategy high on my list. Though, I do agree it is important to recognize the dangers of any particular situation you're in. I thought about it, hence the slower speeds I approached the intersection. I also looked for impending danger. Alas, neither of these saved me from what happened. So, the lesson learned that I hope all riders understand is that, sometimes no matter how careful you try to be, stuff happens. Hopefully, when stuff does happen, you've got a bit of luck on your side. I sure did. - Jimmy '03 ZRX awaiting the mortician --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > I'm glad you said that... I otherwise I (as well as others?) > wouldn't have thought about it. In retrospect, it would also > avoid a > lot of the idiotic drivers who > want to make right hand turns from the middle or left lane and > don't see you. > That's happened to me, and also it happened to a friend about a > month ago. > > note to self, avoid the right lane near intersections. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:03:47 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:03:34 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX note to self, right lane is to no longer to ever be considered perfectly good when it has an intersection. : ) Was it even legal for that car to make a left turn at that intersection? Seems like it would be a good idea that if DC could have some kind of little flags that pop up during rush hour and don't allow left turns, to like block the pathway like a little fence.. and i think we all agree.. sometimes.. s*** happens. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:05:19 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:05:09 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] scooter commuters Just curiuos.. I was wondering do we have people here who commute on scooters? speak up? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:12:04 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:11:55 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? just wanted to take a poll just so we could all see the consensus Do you commute and lane split? some probably see it as a good thing.. some probably don't see it worth the risk so? where do you stand? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:15:11 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned To: Danny Motorcycle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Honestly, I don't know. Haven't been back to the scene since. Can someone on the list verify whether or not there are signs prohibiting a left turn onto 22nd from Constitution eastbound? Email me offlist please. Thanks. - Jimmy --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Was it even legal for that car to make a left turn at that > intersection? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:18:42 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? To: Danny Motorcycle , DC-Cycles Commute yes. Lane Split not unless absolutely necessary. Too many people around here are out to get us. Cabbies mostly. If it were legal then i would consider it more often. Ian --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > just wanted to take a poll just so we could all see > the consensus > > > Do you commute and lane split? > > > some probably see it as a good thing.. > > some probably don't see it worth the risk > > > so? where do you stand? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:21:28 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:19:25 -0400 From: "lister lynch" To: "Danny Motorcycle" , "DC-Cycles" Did it for 5 years to MacPherson Sq. from Alexandria. Only lanesplitting mishap was when a cabbie let out a fare in the middle of traffic (not on a curb lane) and the door latch LATCHED onto my rear rack. Brought me to a quick, upright stop and wrenched the door such that it couldn't close any longer. The fare bolted. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? just wanted to take a poll just so we could all see the consensus Do you commute and lane split? some probably see it as a good thing.. some probably don't see it worth the risk so? where do you stand? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:29:18 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:29:05 -0400 From: Robert To: "Danny Motorcycle" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? Cc: DC-Cycles I commute, and occasionally lane-split. I use the California rule of thumb; if traffic is moving slower than 10mph, then I will use my best judgement if I can safely ride between lanes. Some areas have narrow lanes, and even in stop-and-go traffic I don't risk it. FWIW, my commute is Falls Church to Reston, primarily on 267-66, sometimes on Rt. 7. Robert '06 K1200R On 7/18/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > just wanted to take a poll just so we could all see the consensus > > > Do you commute and lane split? > > > some probably see it as a good thing.. > > some probably don't see it worth the risk > > > so? where do you stand? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:30:16 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:29:58 -0400 From: "Joel Watkinson" To: "James O'Connor" , Are they totaling the bike or is it repairable? I mean, if the frame is O.K., the rest can be worked out... Anyway, how are you doing health-wise? Did you hit your wrist on landing or on the controls upon impact? I ask because a very good piece of advice that saved a friend of mine and maybe could have helped you (and Roethlisberger?) is to realize when the bike is out of control and/or impact is unavoidable, forget the bike and save yourself. He had the same thing happen to him but, when he realized that there was not enough room to either stop the bike or avoid the car (which was also at fault in his case) he gave up on the bike and instead focused on safely leaving the bike and going over the car without impacting it at all with his body. I'd say he made the right choice. The bike sustained the same kind of damages as yours but he walked away without anything more than a small bruise or two from rolling on the ground on the other side of the car. I don't know if you had time to do that, but, seeing as how you had time to see the car and lock up the brakes, I am guessing maybe you did but never heard of or thought of the option *choosing* and trying to go over the car. Anyway, that also saved me in one bad wreck where gravel had been dumped all over the road by a truck in front of me and I had a choice between woods, rocky ground, boulder ditch, asphalt, oncoming traffic, or the skinny grass lane down the side of the road between all of those. There was no way I could recover the bike so I ditched it *and* used the high-side pitching movement of yanking the handlebars to help toss me in the right direction to land on the grass, and I do mean land as I left the bike at about 50 and slid on the grass for about 70 yards. Anyway, point being I am glad you are O.K., and, assuming you want to ride again and commute in DC more in the future, I thought it might make sense to pass on the advise that I had been given: An out of control bike and/or an unavoidable accident are just that: out of control and unavoidable. Don't waste time or effort trying to control the uncontrollable or avoiding the unavoidable and do what you can to minimize the risk of injury to yourself. Person vs. ground is a lot better than person vs. almost any part of any vehicle, especially when you are covered in the right gear (as you were). Hope this helps you or someone else on the list some day. Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:01 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned > > Part of the reason I'm guessing any of us commutes on a bike > is the ability to navigate congestion more easily. Sitting > in a line of stopped traffic, when I have a perfectly good > lane of travel open for me isn't a strategy high on my list. > Though, I do agree it is important to recognize the dangers > of any particular situation you're in. > > I thought about it, hence the slower speeds I approached the > intersection. I also looked for impending danger. Alas, > neither of these saved me from what happened. So, the lesson > learned that I hope all riders understand is that, sometimes > no matter how careful you try to be, stuff happens. > Hopefully, when stuff does happen, you've got a bit of luck > on your side. I sure did. > > - Jimmy > '03 ZRX awaiting the mortician > > > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > I'm glad you said that... I otherwise I (as well as others?) > > wouldn't have thought about it. In retrospect, it would also > > avoid a > > lot of the idiotic drivers who > > want to make right hand turns from the middle or left lane > and don't > > see you. > > That's happened to me, and also it happened to a friend > about a month > > ago. > > > > note to self, avoid the right lane near intersections. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:31:38 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? From: gmiller@XXXXXX To: "DC-Cycles" : just wanted to take a poll just so we could all see the consensus : : : Do you commute and lane split? : Commute yes, lane split no but I'm quite tempted while stuck in traffic on RT-1 in Woodbridge on the way home after an 8 mile run. I would love to see some sort of relaxation on the lane splitting laws that make it legal as long as you're not being reckless. Something like no more than 10 miles / hour when traffic is stopped. : : some probably see it as a good thing.. : : some probably don't see it worth the risk : : : so? where do you stand? : : From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:37:47 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:37:38 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned On 7/18/06, Joel Watkinson wrote: > > Anyway, that also saved me in one bad wreck where gravel had been dumped > all over the road by a truck in front of me and I had a choice between > woods, rocky ground, boulder ditch, asphalt, oncoming traffic, or the > skinny grass lane down the side of the road between all of those. There > was no way I could recover the bike so I ditched it *and* used the > high-side pitching movement of yanking the handlebars to help toss me in > the right direction to land on the grass, and I do mean land as I left > the bike at about 50 and slid on the grass for about 70 yards. > C'mon, Joel. Most of us have been riding more than a week (and I think most on here haven't seen Biker Boyz - I haven't). I'm sure that does make for a great story to your non-riding friends, though. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 13:38:43 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX inside DC, yes but I almost never ride in DC. I take advantage of HOV2 up and down Alexandria. cagers might think I'm splitting but what I'm really doing is filtering past on the HOV lane after hours when there are parked cars in that lane. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 14:11:10 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:10:54 -0400 From: "Joel Watkinson" To: "Wayne Edelen" , I've not seen it either. I've been riding for 15 years. Maybe I am missing your intended joke or slam. What are you trying to imply? > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:46 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned > > On 7/18/06, Joel Watkinson wrote: > > > > Anyway, that also saved me in one bad wreck where gravel had been > > dumped all over the road by a truck in front of me and I > had a choice > > between woods, rocky ground, boulder ditch, asphalt, > oncoming traffic, > > or the skinny grass lane down the side of the road between all of > > those. There was no way I could recover the bike so I > ditched it *and* > > used the high-side pitching movement of yanking the > handlebars to help > > toss me in the right direction to land on the grass, and I do mean > > land as I left the bike at about 50 and slid on the grass > for about 70 yards. > > > > > C'mon, Joel. Most of us have been riding more than a week > (and I think most on here haven't seen Biker Boyz - I haven't). > > I'm sure that does make for a great story to your non-riding > friends, though. :-) > > -- Wayne > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 15:47:40 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:47:31 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Does anyone have any experience/feedback/thoughts on this outfit that offers m/c training in the area? http://www.apexcycleeducation.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 15:56:24 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:56:16 -0400 From: "Ambrosio, Dominic" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] 1995 Suzuki Katana 750 for sale- $2300 Need to sell my bike (moving to Cali... don't worry, buying a new one out there). Additional details and pictures in the craigslist posting: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/183133078.html Please feel free to pass along to any interested parties. -Dominic From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 16:08:06 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:07:56 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Aaron Maurer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Cc: "DC Cycles" On 7/18/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Does anyone have any experience/feedback/thoughts on this outfit that > offers m/c training in the area? > > http://www.apexcycleeducation.com/ > > Virginia recently legalized private MC rider training. This would appear to be one of the private training outfits. The curriculum (MSF's Basic RiderCourset) and student experience should be exactly the same. The only material difference is that the student pays what the traffic will bear, in this case $349. There is no state subsidy as with the VRTP (Va. Rider Training Program) sites. In the area that would be NVCC Alexandria and Loudoun. Instructors (RiderCoaches in the MSF argot) have to meet the same certification standards as those that teach under the VRTP umbrella. From the photo it would appear they are running 8 students per class, perhaps because the range is a non-standard size. -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 18 20:55:20 2006 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] scooter commuters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a scooter but it's not currently running. Once it is though I plan to use it for my city commuting. Adam --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Just curiuos.. > > I was wondering do we have people here who commute > on scooters? > speak up? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 08:19:40 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned To: Joel Watkinson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Adjuster is meeting me to look at the bike today. I expect it will be totalled. Among the thousands of dollars in parts alone, the frame is bent. Once repairs hit 75% of bike's value, it can be totalled. I'm doing ok. I don't know what broke my wrist, but likely related to the fact this was the hand I was braking with. Still waiting for ultrasound results from my lower region... There was no possible way I could've done anything other than slam on the brakes. I always ride with fingers on clutch and brake levers, and there was no where near enough time to think of other options, such as ditching the bike. This wasn't like one of the plethora of near misses I've had over the years where I can proudly say I avoided an accident. This happened so fast with so little distance to react that I feel good just knowing I was able to hit the brakes. Even in hindsight, I wouldn't have done anything differently, aside from not being exactly where I was at that exact moment in time. Not sure if I'll ride again anytime soon or not. I've got an 8 month old daughter, a wife, and too many other people/things I'm not sure I'm willing to risk over my commuting via motorcycle. My bike was 99.5% tool, used to get me to and from work as efficiently as possible. I'm going to give the 'Drive to transfer station - Take bus to metro rail - Take metro to work' schedule a try, but I don't think I'll last long with this 1.5 hour each way (on a good day) routine. So far, only other alternatives are possibly working from home most of the week or finding a job closer to where I live. Still working the commute/job process out. - Jimmy --- Joel Watkinson wrote: > Are they totaling the bike or is it repairable? I mean, if the > frame is > O.K., the rest can be worked out... > > Anyway, how are you doing health-wise? > > Did you hit your wrist on landing or on the controls upon impact? > > I ask because a very good piece of advice that saved a friend of > mine > and maybe could have helped you (and Roethlisberger?) is to realize > when > the bike is out of control and/or impact is unavoidable, forget the > bike > and save yourself. He had the same thing happen to him but, when he > realized that there was not enough room to either stop the bike or > avoid > the car (which was also at fault in his case) he gave up on the > bike and > instead focused on safely leaving the bike and going over the car > without impacting it at all with his body. I'd say he made the > right > choice. The bike sustained the same kind of damages as yours but he > walked away without anything more than a small bruise or two from > rolling on the ground on the other side of the car. I don't know if > you > had time to do that, but, seeing as how you had time to see the car > and > lock up the brakes, I am guessing maybe you did but never heard of > or > thought of the option *choosing* and trying to go over the car. > > Anyway, that also saved me in one bad wreck where gravel had been > dumped > all over the road by a truck in front of me and I had a choice > between > woods, rocky ground, boulder ditch, asphalt, oncoming traffic, or > the > skinny grass lane down the side of the road between all of those. > There > was no way I could recover the bike so I ditched it *and* used the > high-side pitching movement of yanking the handlebars to help toss > me in > the right direction to land on the grass, and I do mean land as I > left > the bike at about 50 and slid on the grass for about 70 yards. > > Anyway, point being I am glad you are O.K., and, assuming you want > to > ride again and commute in DC more in the future, I thought it might > make > sense to pass on the advise that I had been given: An out of > control > bike and/or an unavoidable accident are just that: out of control > and > unavoidable. Don't waste time or effort trying to control the > uncontrollable or avoiding the unavoidable and do what you can to > minimize the risk of injury to yourself. Person vs. ground is a lot > better than person vs. almost any part of any vehicle, especially > when > you are covered in the right gear (as you were). Hope this helps > you or > someone else on the list some day. > > Joel > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:01 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned > > > > Part of the reason I'm guessing any of us commutes on a bike > > is the ability to navigate congestion more easily. Sitting > > in a line of stopped traffic, when I have a perfectly good > > lane of travel open for me isn't a strategy high on my list. > > Though, I do agree it is important to recognize the dangers > > of any particular situation you're in. > > > > I thought about it, hence the slower speeds I approached the > > intersection. I also looked for impending danger. Alas, > > neither of these saved me from what happened. So, the lesson > > learned that I hope all riders understand is that, sometimes > > no matter how careful you try to be, stuff happens. > > Hopefully, when stuff does happen, you've got a bit of luck > > on your side. I sure did. > > > > - Jimmy > > '03 ZRX awaiting the mortician > > > > > > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > > I'm glad you said that... I otherwise I (as well as others?) > > > wouldn't have thought about it. In retrospect, it would also > > > avoid a > > > lot of the idiotic drivers who > > > want to make right hand turns from the middle or left lane > > and don't > > > see you. > > > That's happened to me, and also it happened to a friend > > about a month > > > ago. > > > > > > note to self, avoid the right lane near intersections. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 08:48:58 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:48:44 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: [dc-cycles] Parking near 10th and PA Is there any good (free!) bike parking near 10th and Pennsylvania Ave? -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 08:58:51 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:58:39 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking near 10th and PA The nearest I am aware of is the 600 block of E Street. The last time I looked for parking around that area, there wasn't much. There might be something south of PA Ave, but I don't get down that way too often. Going to visit the FBI? ;^) On 7/19/06, Mike Troutman wrote: > Is there any good (free!) bike parking near 10th and Pennsylvania Ave? > -- > ___________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 09:01:08 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:00:53 -0400 To: "James O'Connor" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - lesson learned At 08:19 AM 7/19/2006, James O'Connor wrote: >I'm doing ok. I don't know what broke my wrist, but likely related >to the fact this was the hand I was braking with. Still waiting for >ultrasound results from my lower region... Glad you're doing well after your experience. I expect your "lower regions" are fine -- expert opinion from a couple of people who've seen similar results in other cases is that the tank dent was caused by the front of your seat as the bike compressed and flexed during the collision. >Not sure if I'll ride again anytime soon or not. I've got an 8 month >old daughter, a wife, and too many other people/things I'm not sure >I'm willing to risk over my commuting via motorcycle. Only you can tell if the pleasures and benefits outweigh the risks. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 09:15:40 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:15:22 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! Hopefully a lot of people turn up. I am taking the afternoon off and will be riding Rock Creek and going to Colemans as I need a new summer jacket snd they have big sale today. www.kramers.com 12:00 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 09:33:51 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:33:38 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: [dc-cycles] DC Parking Spot List Found this ... "I recently contacted the D.C. City website and after a month or so after my request, received the following list of motorcycle parking places" http://mayoreric.com/moto/parking.html -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 09:51:39 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:51:32 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Perry Coleman" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Parking near 10th and PA Cc: DCCycles Free m/c parking on 11th St., between G & H, across from the Grand Hyatt hotel. On 7/19/06, Perry Coleman wrote: > The nearest I am aware of is the 600 block of E Street. The last time > I looked for parking around that area, there wasn't much. There might > be something south of PA Ave, but I don't get down that way too often. > > Going to visit the FBI? ;^) > > On 7/19/06, Mike Troutman wrote: > > Is there any good (free!) bike parking near 10th and Pennsylvania Ave? > > -- > > ___________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/ > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 09:53:04 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kipp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? My recent experience, I commute 10 miles, 9 of it north bound on FFX County Parkway to Reston. On an average day it takes 30 minutes, do to congestion between Fox Mill Rd. and the Toll Rd. (as well as other spots on certain days) One *recent* day I had been sitting in traffic in quite warm weather. The entire shoulder lane was begging to be utilized. I have lane split once or twice in my time, but find it very stressful if traffic starts moving again and I'm stuck in between two vehicles when movement begins. Anyway, on this particular day, I decide to cruise up the right shoulder lane. I travel pretty slowly, about 20mph, and pass 100 vehicles when I look in my rear-view mirror to see a Durango with flashing blue lights. A detective from the FFX County police issued me a citation for improper passing. Could have been reckless he says... I'm glad I didn't get reckless, but wtf??? How could you even consider giving a reckless driving ticket to a motorcyclist trying to get around traffic by riding conservatively on a huge shoulder lane... Anyway, I don't lane split and will unlikely shoulder ride from now on. Not worth the $150 ticket and points on my driving record... -K. "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:01:36 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:01:22 -0400 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" To: "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: front and rear stands I have a set of front and rear stands that I don't use anymore. If anyone is interested ping me off list. They are in good shape. 60 bucks. Art From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:11:37 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is one of the biggest problems with trying to lane split in Virginia. The reckless driving code is so vague they can charge you with it for almost anything it seems. Seems a detective would have something better to do with his time. Anyhow, I do it freely in DC and in Virginia only when traffic is very bad and then I do it cautiously. The last time I did it in VA, there was an accident on I-66 and it was 95 out. I really didn't feel like getting roasted with the Aerostich on in that heat while traffic moved at maybe 1 MPH. Glenn --- Kipp wrote: > My recent experience, > > I commute 10 miles, 9 of it north bound on FFX > County Parkway to Reston. > On an average day it takes 30 minutes, do to > congestion between Fox Mill > Rd. and the Toll Rd. (as well as other spots on > certain days) > > One *recent* day I had been sitting in traffic in > quite warm weather. The > entire shoulder lane was begging to be utilized. I > have lane split once > or twice in my time, but find it very stressful if > traffic starts moving > again and I'm stuck in between two vehicles when > movement begins. Anyway, > on this particular day, I decide to cruise up the > right shoulder lane. I > travel pretty slowly, about 20mph, and pass 100 > vehicles when I look in my > rear-view mirror to see a Durango with flashing blue > lights. A detective > from the FFX County police issued me a citation for > improper passing. > Could have been reckless he says... > > I'm glad I didn't get reckless, but wtf??? How > could you even consider > giving a reckless driving ticket to a motorcyclist > trying to get around > traffic by riding conservatively on a huge shoulder > lane... > > Anyway, I don't lane split and will unlikely > shoulder ride from now on. > Not worth the $150 ticket and points on my driving > record... > > -K. > > "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of > life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 > - 1955) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:11:42 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: July 21 MotorcycleXcitement Track Day anyone from alexandria-area going? this might be a great opportunity to run the supermoto rig... --- Roger Lyle wrote: > From: "Roger Lyle" > To: <@starpower.net;> > Subject: July 21 MotorcycleXcitement Track Day > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:49:54 -0400 > > Hello Folks, > Get the jump on your competitors! > Join us for another Motorcycle Xcitement Track Day on the > Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point Raceway on Friday, July 21 > before CCS. Come out and tune and test your bike and body on > this challenging new circuit. This course has no less than 18 turns, > uphills and downhills, and the banked Nurburgring Karussel, which > we will be using. Airborne Al Wilcox, 87, will be flagging this > event. > This is a lot of fun with hours of quality track time. Cornerworkers > and a staffed ambulance will be on site. Reserve your spot now or > show up on Friday. The next date on the Shenandoah is Friday, > August 25 before the CCS race weekend. > For more info contact Roger Lyle at 301-933-2599 or e-mail > rogerlyle@XXXXXX. Other dates on the main circuit are > Thursdays, August 10 (before WERA National) and > September 7 (before CCS). > Ride fast, Ride safe. > > Roger Lyle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:27:43 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:27:35 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Glenn Dysart" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/19/06, Glenn Dysart wrote: > This is one of the biggest problems with trying to > lane split in Virginia. The reckless driving code is > so vague they can charge you with it for almost > anything it seems. Seems a detective would have > something better to do with his time. > I'll have to respectfully disagree with this statement. The Va. traffic code is anything but vague on the subject of lane-sharing, lane-splitting, etc. I suspect Kipp was not cited under the reckless statute because he was pinched riding on the shoulder, not a travel lane. 46.2-857. Driving two abreast in a single lane. A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives any motor vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to be abreast of another vehicle in a lane designed for one vehicle, or drives any motor vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to travel abreast of any other vehicle traveling in a lane designed for one vehicle. However, this section shall not apply to any validly authorized parade, motorcade, or motorcycle escort, nor shall it apply to a motor vehicle traveling in the same lane of traffic as a bicycle, electric personal assistive mobility device, electric power-assisted bicycle, or moped. -Paul in DC (not participating in Rider to Work Day, but is doing Ride to Lunch Day) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:33:32 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's just one section of the reckless code, agreed it does cover sharing lanes, its not my point. The police can charge you for reckeless for many different things including loss of traction to your tires, speeding, etc. Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > On 7/19/06, Glenn Dysart > wrote: > > This is one of the biggest problems with trying to > > lane split in Virginia. The reckless driving code > is > > so vague they can charge you with it for almost > > anything it seems. Seems a detective would have > > something better to do with his time. > > > I'll have to respectfully disagree with this > statement. The Va. > traffic code is anything but vague on the subject of > lane-sharing, > lane-splitting, etc. I suspect Kipp was not cited > under the reckless > statute because he was pinched riding on the > shoulder, not a travel > lane. > > > 46.2-857. Driving two abreast in a single lane. > > A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who > drives any motor > vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to be > abreast of another > vehicle in a lane designed for one vehicle, or > drives any motor > vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to travel > abreast of any > other vehicle traveling in a lane designed for one > vehicle. However, > this section shall not apply to any validly > authorized parade, > motorcade, or motorcycle escort, nor shall it apply > to a motor vehicle > traveling in the same lane of traffic as a bicycle, > electric personal > assistive mobility device, electric power-assisted > bicycle, or moped. > > -Paul in DC (not participating in Rider to Work Day, > but is doing Ride > to Lunch Day) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:40:52 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:40:45 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795a8bc4547c757b9238604c52b3ad7717350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Dysart mused: This is one of the biggest problems with trying to lane split in Virginia. The reckless driving code is so vague they can charge you with it for almost anything it seems. [Dave] No shit. VA is one of most motorist unfriendly places in the States. Class 1 misdemeanor, mandatory court appearance and possible jail time. For What amounts to (most of the time) a trivial waste of the court's time. Seems a detective would have something better to do with his time. [Dave] Like murdering an optometrist suspected of gambling... Maybe we are better off with them writing a bunch of tickets. Anyhow, I do it freely in DC and in Virginia only when traffic is very bad and then I do it cautiously. The last time I did it in VA, there was an accident on I-66 and it was 95 out. I really didn't feel like getting roasted with the Aerostich on in that heat while traffic moved at maybe 1 MPH. [Dave] Incidentally, I saw somewhere recently that the Capt. Of the FCPD traffic Division indicated that the "2 abreast" law for reckless had been held by the Courts that *any* forward separation was sufficient to defeat the 'reckless' charge. Bowman maybe? Anyway that sounded like BS from their public information office, and Remember folks, it's perfectly ok for FCPD to lie to the press, or citizens, but not Ok for us to lie to them... Yeah, that's fair. :-| Dave --- Kipp wrote: > My recent experience, > > I commute 10 miles, 9 of it north bound on FFX > County Parkway to Reston. > On an average day it takes 30 minutes, do to > congestion between Fox Mill > Rd. and the Toll Rd. (as well as other spots on > certain days) > > One *recent* day I had been sitting in traffic in > quite warm weather. The > entire shoulder lane was begging to be utilized. I > have lane split once > or twice in my time, but find it very stressful if > traffic starts moving > again and I'm stuck in between two vehicles when > movement begins. Anyway, > on this particular day, I decide to cruise up the > right shoulder lane. I > travel pretty slowly, about 20mph, and pass 100 > vehicles when I look in my > rear-view mirror to see a Durango with flashing blue > lights. A detective > from the FFX County police issued me a citation for > improper passing. > Could have been reckless he says... > > I'm glad I didn't get reckless, but wtf??? How > could you even consider > giving a reckless driving ticket to a motorcyclist > trying to get around > traffic by riding conservatively on a huge shoulder > lane... > > Anyway, I don't lane split and will unlikely > shoulder ride from now on. > Not worth the $150 ticket and points on my driving > record... > > -K. > > "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of > life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 > - 1955) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:48:37 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Kipp Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: matthew patton I know shoulder running is illegal, but to me, the logic doesn't make sense. If you are OK with lane splitting, why would you not be OK with shoulder running? From my perspective, shoulder running is a much less risky proposition for all parties involved. Perhaps I'm just not educated in the risks, would someone enlighten me? Why is lane splitting better than shoulder running? My thoughts: No one will change lanes into the shoulder. You only have traffice to worry about on one side of you, rather than both. When traffic begins moving again, you merge to the left, as you would do in most merge situations. Rather than trying to figure out which lane to pick if you were lane splitting. As long as you're not going too fast, one could easily stop in time if a broken down vehicle was in the shoulder lane. -K. --- matthew patton wrote: > riding on the shoulder is not lane-splitting. shoulder running is an > automatic ticket. the best way IMO to get used to lane-splitting is to > ride your bicycle on normal city streets and lane split. I grew up > riding my bicycle in Japan so purhaps its 2nd nature to me. > "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:52:51 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:53:23 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC-Cycles" I used to commute every day, sparing only the days when ice or snow were on the ground. I grew up in California and firmly believe that lane splitting, along with opposable thumbs, is proof that we are the most evolved life forms on the planet. However, the legislatures of Maryland and DC are still trapped in the Paleolithic age of motor vehicle code and do not share our view of the road. In DC, I lanesplit for short distances and have never been stopped for it. I am blessed with a couple of coworkers who let me squeeze my bike into the end of their parking spaces for free. Being able to take I-66 from Fairfax into DC easily cut my drive/bus/metro/walking commute in half, although I admit that napping on the ride home is somewhat easier with public transportation. Alas, it's looking like keeping a motorcycle in my neighborhood is no longer feasible. My CBR600F was totaled by a hit and run driver and it's replacement, a CBR600F3 was stolen. When I replaced that with an F4 I built a 300 lb block of concrete to chain it to and Saturday someone slammed the F4 and the concrete block aside so they could park in the F4's spot. It's currently at Coleman's tabulating the various sundry plastic pieces, I'm not sure if the forks are tweaked or not. Either way, it's my third strike with the insurance company so I'm looking at wearing out my Timberlands instead of my Dunlops from now on. Cedric Bernescut Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs Subject: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? just wanted to take a poll just so we could all see the consensus Do you commute and lane split? some probably see it as a good thing.. some probably don't see it worth the risk so? where do you stand? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 10:55:46 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? To: Kipp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: matthew patton If motorcycles start using the shoulder, then cars think they can too. This will just create another congested lane, defeating the purpose of the shoulder. The thing about lane splitting it that it is something ONLY a motorcycle can do. --- Kipp wrote: > I know shoulder running is illegal, but to me, the > logic doesn't make > sense. If you are OK with lane splitting, why would > you not be OK with > shoulder running? From my perspective, shoulder > running is a much less > risky proposition for all parties involved. Perhaps > I'm just not educated > in the risks, would someone enlighten me? Why is > lane splitting better > than shoulder running? > > My thoughts: > No one will change lanes into the shoulder. > > You only have traffice to worry about on one side of > you, rather than > both. > > When traffic begins moving again, you merge to the > left, as you would do > in most merge situations. Rather than trying to > figure out which lane to > pick if you were lane splitting. > > As long as you're not going too fast, one could > easily stop in time if a > broken down vehicle was in the shoulder lane. > > -K. > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > riding on the shoulder is not lane-splitting. > shoulder running is an > > automatic ticket. the best way IMO to get used to > lane-splitting is to > > ride your bicycle on normal city streets and lane > split. I grew up > > riding my bicycle in Japan so purhaps its 2nd > nature to me. > > > > "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of > life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 > - 1955) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 11:03:08 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:02:54 -0400 From: "Joel Watkinson" To: "Dave Yates" , > Seems a detective would have > something better to do with his time. > > [Dave] Like murdering an optometrist suspected of gambling... > Maybe we are better off with them writing a bunch of tickets. Did I miss something in the news? > [Dave] Incidentally, I saw somewhere recently that the Capt. > Of the FCPD traffic Division indicated that the "2 abreast" > law for reckless had been held by the Courts that *any* > forward separation was sufficient to defeat the 'reckless' > charge. Do you mean to imply that "any forward separation" means as long as you are not driving parallel to the *same* vehicle at the *same* speed for a given distance? If so, that would apply to any lane splitting as long as you are moving at a different speed than traffic and get back in your lane when it is the same speed or stopped such that you can't go anywhere. As for the shoulder though, that's just off limits period for anyone other than the cops unless you are broken down or stopped. I am guess that with the amount of traffic and accidents around here, that's to prevent everyone from using the shoulder and then getting jammed up and stopping an ambulance or cops from getting to the scene as quickly. If you're the one bleeding to death there you'd understand why it's good to have the shoulder open for them. Still would be nice if we could get some more traffic benefits for our willingness to ride a smaller vehicle in such a congested area. I mean, yeah, we can use HOV, but what does that do for the 99% of other main roads that are backed up 99% of the time we use them? I mean, let's face it, we truly can run 4 bikes in the same space and sometimes with even *less* gas than an H2 or Suburban.... Anyone know of any moto-friendly law makers in the area? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 11:35:26 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:35:18 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Dave Yates" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/19/06, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Incidentally, I saw somewhere recently that the Capt. Of the FCPD > traffic Division indicated that the "2 abreast" law for reckless had been held by > the Courts that *any* forward separation was sufficient to defeat the 'reckless' > charge. > > Bowman maybe? Anyway that sounded like BS from their public information > office > > Dave > Sounds like BS to me, too. This is the only mention I found of the "two abreast" statute in a quick search of VA caselaw... it upheld the conviction. Barbour v. Com. 1997 WL 177586 *** SUFFICIENCY OF THE EVIDENCE Appellant contends that the evidence was insufficient to prove that he violated Code § 46.2-857. We disagree. When considering the sufficiency of evidence on appeal in a criminal case, this Court views the evidence in a light most favorable to the Commonwealth, granting to it all reasonable inferences fairly deducible therefrom. See Higginbotham v. Commonwealth, 216 Va. 349, 352, 218 S.E.2d 534, 537 (1975). On review, this Court does not substitute its own judgment for that of the trier of fact. See Cable v. Commonwealth, 243 Va. 236, 239, 415 S.E.2d 218, 220 (1992). The trial court's judgment will not be set aside unless it appears that the judgment is plainly wrong or without supporting evidence. See Martin v. Commonwealth, 4 Va.App. 438, 443, 358 S.E.2d 415, 418 (1987). We hold that the evidence was sufficient to support appellant's conviction of violating Code § 46.2-857. In a prosecution under Code § 46.2-857, the Commonwealth must prove that the defendant drove his or her motor vehicle so as "to be" or "to travel" abreast of another vehicle "in a lane designed for one vehicle." Code § 46.2-857. Officer Bingeman testified that Brambleton Avenue has a double yellow line painted in its middle and is wide enough to accommodate one lane of traffic traveling in either direction while enabling cars to parallel park on the east-bound side of the street. This evidence supports the trial court's conclusion that the east-bound lane of Brambleton Avenue on which appellant was driving is "designed for one vehicle." In addition, Officer Bingeman testified that while a mail truck was stopped at an intersection and as an Oldsmobile was still approaching the intersection, appellant pulled to his right and passed both vehicles in the space normally used for parking on Brambleton Avenue. This evidence supports the trial court's conclusion that appellant drove his car so as to travel abreast of another vehicle. For the foregoing reasons, we affirm the conviction of improper driving in violation of Code § 46.2-857. Affirmed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 11:51:45 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:51:43 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e9d456d74ac96188ef0445ef51050db1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c AM posted: Sounds like BS to me, too. This is the only mention I found of the "two abreast" statute in a quick search of VA caselaw... it upheld the conviction. Barbour v. Com. 1997 WL 177586 *** SUFFICIENCY OF THE EVIDENCE Appellant contends that the evidence was insufficient to prove that he violated Code § 46.2-857. We disagree. W...In a prosecution under Code §46.2-857, the Commonwealth must prove that the defendant drove his or her motor vehicle so as "to be" or "to travel" abreast of another vehicle "in a lane designed for one vehicle." Code § 46.2-857. ... In addition, Officer Bingeman testified that while a mail truck was stopped at an intersection and as an Oldsmobile was still approaching the intersection, appellant pulled to his right and passed both vehicles in the space normally used for parking on Brambleton Avenue. [Dave] It may hinge on "abreast". Since you know how to search court Cases, you probably know that a fundamental rule of statutory construct Is that when the language of the statute is plain and unambiguous, and it Is not otherwise defined within the statute or elsewhere in the VA Code, the Word or phrase must be given it's plain, ordinary, rational meaning as Preferred to some obscure meaning. Thus it would fall the word abreast, or Phrase abreast of another vehicle. In the context of 2 vehicles traveling The same direction, staggered, but not even, I can see a logical distinction, But like you say - a legal one may be more elusive. The VA courts will go To the ends of the Commonwealth to uphold a conviction, unless it is hideously Wrong. Even then, it is usually upheld except for rare circumstances like Victoria Brown Vs. Commonwealth (1998)... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 12:01:48 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:55:34 -0400 To: Kipp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: matthew patton At 7/19/2006 10:48 AM, Kipp wrote: >My thoughts: >No one will change lanes into the shoulder. Wrong. I've used the shoulder as an "emergency exit" a couple of times. Once when a semi changed lanes into mine (running onto the shoulder was preferable to a shoving match with a semi) and once when the car ahead of me hit the one ahead of it and stopped abruptly (I *might* have had room to stop, but I *certainly* did on the shoulder). I've also seen a car get knocked spinning onto the right shoulder from the left travel lane on I-295 by a bus. This was just before the Bolling AFB exit...the sort of place where someone might think that a little sneak down a bit of shoulder to get to the exit ramp might be a wise move. Not right at that moment it wouldn't have been... >You only have traffice to worry about on one side of you, rather than >both. And behind you...the shoulder is used by emergency vehicles and cops. Sometimes it's for an emergency donut break, but it's often to get to the accident that is causing the backup, or to get someone from an accident behind you to a hospital. Sure, there are often flashing lights and sirens to alert you to their coming, but they are also often coming fairly quickly, and you may or may not have a good "merge" opportunity right at that instant...especially if traffic isn't moving at all. There's probably room for you to squeeze over and let a car go by safely, but how about a fire truck? That's a big part of why driving on the shoulder is illegal...and perhaps even why VA thinks it qualifies for reckless. You aren't "reckoning" the potential costs of your actions well enough and they want to get your attention on the matter. You also have the problem that the folks in the lane next to you may change into yours without looking. After all, there's no traffic on the shoulder to worry about and you aren't the only impatient person on the road... >As long as you're not going too fast, one could easily stop in time if a >broken down vehicle was in the shoulder lane. True, but are you going to see that nail/screw/muffler clamp/glass/bit of steel wire from a truck tread/etc.? The travel lanes tend to get debris kicked away by passing tires. Where does it end up? Yep... The shoulder is also where malfunctioning vehicles go...things like oil and antifreeze are more common there than in the travel lanes, though probably not enough to be a major hazard. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 12:07:02 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:06:54 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Dave Yates" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You lost me. How did the court not apply the common meaning of abreast? In the situation described, the defendant pulled to the right of a lane (in the parking area, but still "in the lane" according to the court). In doing so, he briefly passed "abreast" -- next to -- two other vehicles. That is the same as what would be happening in any lane-splitting situation. So far as "staggered" goes, if you overlap, I still think that you are "abreast" according to the common meaning of the word. There is no ambiguity in this statute at all. I do not lane split in Virginia, nor drive over 80 mph. I do lane split judiciously (and drive in the right-hand portion or parking area of travel lanes) in DC. (I don't drive over 80 mph in DC either, obviously, although those "count down" timers on pedestrian crosswalks do sometimes give me incentive to bump up my speed to make a light.) On 7/19/06, Dave Yates wrote: > AM posted: > > Sounds like BS to me, too. This is the only mention I found of the > "two abreast" statute in a quick search of VA caselaw... it upheld the > conviction. > > Barbour v. Com. > 1997 WL 177586 > > *** > > SUFFICIENCY OF THE EVIDENCE > > Appellant contends that the evidence was insufficient to prove that he > violated Code § 46.2-857. We disagree. > > W...In a prosecution under Code §46.2-857, the Commonwealth must > prove that the defendant drove his or her motor vehicle so as "to be" > or "to travel" abreast of another vehicle "in a lane designed for > one vehicle." Code § 46.2-857. ... In addition, Officer Bingeman > testified that while a mail truck was stopped at an intersection > and as an Oldsmobile was still approaching the intersection, > appellant pulled to his right and passed both vehicles in the > space normally used for parking on Brambleton Avenue. > > > [Dave] It may hinge on "abreast". Since you know how to search court > Cases, you probably know that a fundamental rule of statutory construct > Is that when the language of the statute is plain and unambiguous, and it > Is not otherwise defined within the statute or elsewhere in the VA Code, the > > Word or phrase must be given it's plain, ordinary, rational meaning as > Preferred to some obscure meaning. Thus it would fall the word abreast, or > Phrase abreast of another vehicle. In the context of 2 vehicles traveling > The same direction, staggered, but not even, I can see a logical > distinction, > But like you say - a legal one may be more elusive. The VA courts will go > To the ends of the Commonwealth to uphold a conviction, unless it is > hideously > Wrong. Even then, it is usually upheld except for rare circumstances like > Victoria Brown > Vs. Commonwealth (1998)... > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 12:09:46 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:58:55 -0400 To: "Joel Watkinson" , "Dave Yates" , From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? At 7/19/2006 11:02 AM, Joel Watkinson wrote: > > Of the FCPD traffic Division indicated that the "2 abreast" > > law for reckless had been held by the Courts that *any* > > forward separation was sufficient to defeat the 'reckless' > > charge. > >Do you mean to imply that "any forward separation" means as long as you >are not driving parallel to the *same* vehicle at the *same* speed for a >given distance? If so, that would apply to any lane splitting as long as >you are moving at a different speed than traffic and get back in your >lane when it is the same speed or stopped such that you can't go >anywhere. I don't think so...if you are passing vehicles, there will be an instant when you are "abreast" of them and thus in violation. I think this is more likely to be a loophole if you are riding with other bikes in staggered formation and a sudden slowdown puts your front wheel next to the bike in the other track's rear for a bit. Just for example. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 12:13:16 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kipp To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re:commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Hey Mike B. et al, While I see the validity of most of the things you say, my question still stands, how is lane splitting any more safe than shoulder running? Surely there are hazards innate in lane splitting; you describe, better than I could, the hazards of shoulder running. Different hazards, but perhaps more likely than most of the shoulder running hazards. One quibble I have with you is that you mention the shoulder being a place people use for emergency stops or vehicles getting flung into the shoulder by crazed bus drivers. During normal moving traffic, these hazards would be possible, but when traffic is stopped, these hazards are not possible. BTW, I do have experience with the extraneous material being much more likely on the shoulder (oil, car bits, nails, etc). When I have travelled on the shoulder in the past, I am always going slow enough to avoid these hazards (usually under 30mph). I'm sure I might miss a small nail or other small object. But, I've had luck with shoulder running in the past. I am, however, terrified of lane splitting. Tried it a couple times, almost died... -K. > >No one will change lanes into the shoulder. > > Wrong. I've used the shoulder as an "emergency exit" a couple of > times. Once when a semi changed lanes into mine (running onto the > shoulder > was preferable to a shoving match with a semi) and once when the car > ahead > of me hit the one ahead of it and stopped abruptly (I *might* have had > room > to stop, but I *certainly* did on the shoulder). > > I've also seen a car get knocked spinning onto the right shoulder from > the > left travel lane on I-295 by a bus. This was just before the Bolling > AFB > exit...the sort of place where someone might think that a little sneak > down > a bit of shoulder to get to the exit ramp might be a wise move. Not > right > at that moment it wouldn't have been... > > >You only have traffice to worry about on one side of you, rather than > >both. > > And behind you...the shoulder is used by emergency vehicles and > cops. Sometimes it's for an emergency donut break, but it's often to > get > to the accident that is causing the backup, or to get someone from an > accident behind you to a hospital. Sure, there are often flashing > lights > and sirens to alert you to their coming, but they are also often coming > fairly quickly, and you may or may not have a good "merge" opportunity > right at that instant...especially if traffic isn't moving at all. > There's > probably room for you to squeeze over and let a car go by safely, but > how > about a fire truck? That's a big part of why driving on the shoulder is > > illegal...and perhaps even why VA thinks it qualifies for reckless. You > > aren't "reckoning" the potential costs of your actions well enough and > they > want to get your attention on the matter. > > You also have the problem that the folks in the lane next to you may > change > into yours without looking. After all, there's no traffic on the > shoulder > to worry about and you aren't the only impatient person on the road... > > >As long as you're not going too fast, one could easily stop in time if > a > >broken down vehicle was in the shoulder lane. > > True, but are you going to see that nail/screw/muffler clamp/glass/bit > of > steel wire from a truck tread/etc.? The travel lanes tend to get debris > > kicked away by passing tires. Where does it end up? Yep... > > The shoulder is also where malfunctioning vehicles go...things like oil > and > antifreeze are more common there than in the travel lanes, though > probably > not enough to be a major hazard. > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley > folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's > mistakes > is better. > > "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 12:47:17 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:47:15 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793e1a46cd8ee46beb2330dcc7e7e39763350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c You lost me. How did the court not apply the common meaning of abreast? In the situation described, the defendant pulled to the right of a lane (in the parking area, but still "in the lane" according to the court). In doing so, he briefly passed "abreast" -- next to -- two other vehicles. [Dave] this case didn't hinge on what abreast actually meant, and they did Apply the common meaning, but 2 bikes in the same direction is a different Set of circumstances. If pulled over from the rear, how is it possible for The commonwealth's chief witness to physically be able to say that the bikes Weren't staggered (one ahead of the other) as opposed to abreast? I think That this *could* be a legitimate defense, albeit in Fairfax you would have To have pictures of Horan with farm animals or be a cop for it to work. ... There is no ambiguity in this statute at all. I do not lane split in Virginia, nor drive over 80 mph. I do lane split judiciously (and drive in the right-hand portion or parking area of travel lanes) in DC. (I don't drive over 80 mph in DC either, obviously, although those "count down" timers on pedestrian crosswalks do sometimes give me incentive to bump up my speed to make a light.) [Dave] Same here. I'd like to see those countdown timers on regular lights too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 13:07:55 2006 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Julian Halton" , , "DCCycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:07:40 -0400 Thanks to Julian for organizing the gathering. I walked to the place since I work just 2 blocks away and my bike is parked on 18th & M St. it was nice to meet you all! --------------------- Shig Honda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: ; "DCCycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! > > > Hopefully a lot of people turn up. I am taking the afternoon off and > will be riding Rock Creek and going to Colemans as I need a new summer > jacket snd they have big sale today. > > www.kramers.com 12:00 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 13:45:29 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:45:19 -0400 From: "James G" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! Cc: "Julian Halton" All, It was great meeting you all! Sorry I had to head back to work. It would've been nice to tool around in Rock Creek and off to Coleman's with you. -James '03 Yellow Duc ST4s From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 14:28:28 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:28:20 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Opportunity Anyone want to volunteer for this? Preferably someone who is a safe, conscientious rider and advocate for m/cs... From the Post: "Commuters Wanted I'm on a personal quest today. I want to take as many Washington area commutes as possible, so I need your help. I need to talk to any and everyone who is willing to let me (or possibly another Post reporter) ride along with them and write about it. If you're willing to be one of these superselect, ultracool commuters, please send me an e-mail at ginsbergs@XXXXXX." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 14:30:52 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:30:45 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! Cc: DCCycles , "Julian Halton" Yup, thanks Julian. Even arranged to have the meter maid "look the other way." :) On 7/19/06, James G wrote: > All, > > It was great meeting you all! Sorry I had to head back to work. It > would've been nice to tool around in Rock Creek and off to Coleman's > with you. > > -James > '03 Yellow Duc ST4s > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 14:40:32 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:40:23 -0400 From: Robert To: "Paul Wilson" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! Cc: "James G" , DCCycles , "Julian Halton" That WAS pretty sweet, as we certainly had more bikes parked than there were meters... Thanks, Julian! Robert On 7/19/06, Paul Wilson wrote: > Yup, thanks Julian. Even arranged to have the meter maid "look the > other way." :) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 14:44:22 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:44:15 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Opportunity That could be fun. Even more so on my previous bike. I used to tell people that it would do 0-100mph in the time it took for my passenger to say "OH MY GAWD!" And it would, too! ;^) Perry On 7/19/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Anyone want to volunteer for this? Preferably someone who is a safe, > conscientious rider and advocate for m/cs... > > From the Post: > > "Commuters Wanted > I'm on a personal quest today. I want to take as many Washington area > commutes as possible, so I need your help. I need to talk to any and > everyone who is willing to let me (or possibly another Post reporter) > ride along with them and write about it. If you're willing to be one > of these superselect, ultracool commuters, please send me an e-mail at > ginsbergs@XXXXXX." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 15:30:58 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:28:19 -0400 To: "Aaron Maurer" , "Dave Yates" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 7/19/2006 12:06 PM, Aaron Maurer wrote: >abreast? In the situation described, the defendant pulled to the >right of a lane (in the parking area, but still "in the lane" One bit of additional data about this aspect of the thread? Many years ago, in Va. Beach, VA, a friend was ticketed for passing in the same lane. He wasn't on a bike, he was in a '67 Chevy Suburban. How did he manage to pass in a single lane in such a huge vehicle? Easy...the "lane" was well over 30' wide. A month later it was two through lanes and a right turn lane, but at the time he passed, the only lines that were there were the double yellow ones down the middle. The other lane lines hadn't been painted yet, so it was, legally, just one lane on his side of the road, no matter how wide. If it isn't marked as a lane, it's not a lane...at least in the non-rural areas. Keep that in mind when you pass at a wide spot...unless you want a serious ticket. He was fined $45 and had to do 2 weeks work for the city, picking up trash (this was the 70s, so adjust the dollars for inflation and allow for the fact that he was just out of high school and making minimum wage ($1.65/hour). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 15:59:52 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:54:26 -0400 To: Kipp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re:commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? At 7/19/2006 12:13 PM, Kipp wrote: >Hey Mike B. et al, > >While I see the validity of most of the things you say, my question still >stands, how is lane splitting any more safe than shoulder running? Who says it is? Both are illegal around here, and for fairly good reasons. I've driven in several parts of LA (where "filtering" is legal), and the streets there aren't a whole lot like the ones around here. They are wider, less twisty, smoother, and covered in drivers who, while a little crazy with the speed on occasion, at least, for the most part, seem sane and competent. Around here the streets are narrow, cluttered, potholed and patched, and covered with some of the poorest drivers I've seen anywhere in the USA (not all are of course, but there are *far* more incompetent drivers here for some reason). >One quibble I have with you is that you mention the shoulder being a place >people use for emergency stops or vehicles getting flung into the shoulder >by crazed bus drivers. During normal moving traffic, these hazards would >be possible, but when traffic is stopped, these hazards are not possible. If *all* of the traffic is stopped, yes. Often around here one lane is stopped, and the others are still moving. Sometimes the delta-v is as much as 40mph, though usually less. The bus thing wasn't the bus driver's fault, BTW. It was the fault of the lady driving the car that was flung. She was tailgating in the rain, and when the car ahead slowed, she hit the brakes and started to skid...and didn't know how to correct it, so she over-corrected and started fishtailing (see comments about incompetent local drivers elsewhere...). She was still on the brakes, waving her trunk back and forth in increasingly large arcs when the car behind her got into the act, by braking too hard (he'd been too close for conditions as well) and slid into her with his wheels locked up while she wasn't straight. That started her spinning and he swerved onto the left shoulder (they were in the left lane). The bus came through at that point in the same lane, sliding, but straight, and hit her broadside. That stopped the spinning, and threw her across the other lanes of traffic onto the right shoulder, while doing one more 180 degree spin, where she came to a stop. There were several other vehicles damaged in this, all from tailgating. As the above was happening, I and everyone else were off the gas, slowing while trying not to slow too fast for those behind to match, and moving slowly to the right to give the accident room to finish up without interference. Some slowed faster than others though, and at least 6 other vehicles got front, rear or both damage, but mostly minor (luckily there were no bikes in the mix...that would have been a "sandwich" situation for sure if a dodge wasn't possible in time). The only injury was the lady that started the accident...she had a head injury (pressure cut on the forehead from impact with the windshield (yes, she was wearing a seat belt with shoulder harness...but she was NOT wearing a helmet! ;-) Her car was totaled though...standing next to the passenger side I could see the differential clearly...she's really lucky she'd rotated so that side was "upstream" before the bus hit or she'd have been pinned in the wreck and perhaps killed. It seemed to take forever, with plenty of time to see what was happening and to react, but I'm sure the whole thing lasted about 10 seconds, start to finish, at most. -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 16:15:18 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:15:05 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re:commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > There were several other vehicles damaged in this, all from > tailgating. and frankly that is all that matters. incompetence or should I say stupidity is highly correlated with tailgaiting. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 21:51:13 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:50:58 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Cedric Bernescut" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? Cc: DC-Cycles On 7/19/06, Cedric Bernescut wrote: [various snippage] > I grew up in California and firmly believe that lane > splitting, along with opposable thumbs, is proof that we are the most > evolved life forms on the planet. amen >However, the legislatures of Maryland > and DC are still trapped in the Paleolithic age of motor vehicle code > and do not share our view of the road. we need a martyr to violate that law, then get it overturned on appeal to negate the law. Any volunteers? > In DC, I lanesplit for short > distances and have never been stopped for it. I am blessed with a > couple of coworkers who let me squeeze my bike into the end of their > parking spaces for free. Cool > Being able to take I-66 from Fairfax into DC > easily cut my drive/bus/metro/walking commute in half, although I admit > that napping on the ride home is somewhat easier with public > transportation. unfortunately being able to fall asleep on the bike is doable. > Alas, it's looking like keeping a motorcycle in my > neighborhood is no longer feasible. nonsense you just need more enginuity. Don't park in the parking lot, park behind a building or something. [snippage] > Saturday someone slammed the F4 and the concrete block aside so they > could park in the F4's spot. God I hate A**holes like that. > It's currently at Coleman's tabulating the > various sundry plastic pieces, I'm not sure if the forks are tweaked or > not. probably just need to be reseated in their clamps, if they seem tweaked. ( i think that's one of the many things i have learned from this awesome list over the years) > Either way, it's my third strike with the insurance company so I'm > looking at wearing out my Timberlands instead of my Dunlops from now on. I don't know.. it sounds like you have a good thing going on. I think i'd go with liability only before I went without a bike. Park behind a building.. chain it to a strong pole.. keep a cover on it.. invest in an alarm.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 22:42:21 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:42:12 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re:commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? When I started the thread about commuting and lanesplitting, I assumed it only related to DC commuting. I assumed we all know it's a big no no in VA. although i've been on the list for years and seen the lane splitting threads... it's funny that I learned some new things in this thread. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 19 23:52:46 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:52:26 -0400 I'm compelled to second RW on striving for just compensation. In my last two or three incidents (other-fault, mostly property damage) I kept full work records of time spent on filling out forms, phone calls, appointments, etc., etc. And I mean full. I billed for all that admin time spent (which even for minor things mounted up) and fought for it. All that time I could have been working or otherwise pursuing happiness. (In one situation, the lady wanted me to get three estimates for $500 in damage. I said fine, she could arrange for the trips and truck the bike around.) I'd like to say I got paid for it. I didn't. But it put them on notice, gave me some bargaining strength when it came to needing service, and soothed my ego. The pain and suffering concept needs to be expanded to cover admin time for claims processing, even for property damage. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Property damage leads to pain and suffering for me too. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ======= Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:16 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: "matthew patton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Rider Down - me Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm glad the original poster is mostly ok. But, he's not actually entirely ok, you realize. He's got a broken wrist. He'll be in his totally cool dinosaur cast for more than a month. More than a month of not riding his motorcycle, which will, additionally, be a huge pain to either fix or replace; more than a month of accidentally whacking his significant other in the head with his honking big cast; more than a month of being stuck wearing the damn thing in the fetid heat of the DC area... I don't know what your time/life are worth, but if someone takes a large chunk of enjoyment out of mine for weeks on end, I'm pretty sure they owe me more than just a fight to keep from paying off the bills they've caused me. Pain, suffering and loss (even temporary) of faculty are not some sort of bullshit joke to me, even if it makes you feel special to tough it out like a 50s man. . . .snip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 00:25:33 2006 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? To: Kipp , DCCycles Two reasons for lane splitting rather than shoulder running. 1) In the US, the shoulders are normally kept free for emergency vehicles. If traffic is on the shoulders as well as the road, the emergency vehicles cannot get through. A motorcycle doing that only encourages the cars to do the same, when cars fill the shoulder emergency vehicles can't get through. 2) When splitting lanes, a motorcycle is using it's natural advantage of being narrow. It isn't slowing any of the cars down. When the situation allows, cars squeeze through narrow places without any of the social stigma attached to motorcycles. The only time lane splitting is enforced against a motorcycle is when it's done in a place that's too narrow for a car to do it. The law doesn't enforce any rules that state a car must not go anywhere there isn't room for a tractor trailer combination, why should motorcycles be restricted to the width limitations of cars. Here's an example. Given a traffic light and a wide two lane road with both left and right turns. If a car (or more) are at the light is it legal for another car to pass on the right and make a right turn? Is is legal for a motorcycle to do the same? If a car is waiting to make a right turn, is it legal for a motorcycle to pull up past him and wait at the line for the light to change? Is it legal for a car to do the same? If a car is waiting to make a left turn, is it legal for another car to pass on the right and go straight through the intersection. Is it legal for a motorcycle to do the same. You'd be surprised at how many drivers indicate it's ok for a car to do those things but it should be illegal for a motorcycle. Leon. Split lanes, don't ride on the shoulder. --- Kipp wrote: > I know shoulder running is illegal, but to me, the > logic doesn't make > sense. If you are OK with lane splitting, why would > you not be OK with > shoulder running? From my perspective, shoulder > running is a much less > risky proposition for all parties involved. Perhaps > I'm just not educated > in the risks, would someone enlighten me? Why is > lane splitting better > than shoulder running? > > My thoughts: > No one will change lanes into the shoulder. > > You only have traffice to worry about on one side of > you, rather than > both. > > When traffic begins moving again, you merge to the > left, as you would do > in most merge situations. Rather than trying to > figure out which lane to > pick if you were lane splitting. > > As long as you're not going too fast, one could > easily stop in time if a > broken down vehicle was in the shoulder lane. > > -K. > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > riding on the shoulder is not lane-splitting. > shoulder running is an > > automatic ticket. the best way IMO to get used to > lane-splitting is to > > ride your bicycle on normal city streets and lane > split. I grew up > > riding my bicycle in Japan so purhaps its 2nd > nature to me. > > > > "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of > life's coming attractions." -- Albert Einstein (1879 > - 1955) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 07:00:39 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:00:23 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? On 7/20/06, Leon Begeman wrote: > Two reasons for lane splitting rather than shoulder > running. Another reason is that all the shit pushed off the road surface accumulates on the shoulder. You're more likely to encounter debris, like nails, that will puncture your tire. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 09:59:28 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:59:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "James G" Cc: "DCCycles" Great lunch and chat. Thanks to everyone for coming! Let's plan a bike night at Asylum sometime this summer. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: James G Cc: DCCycles; Julian Halton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! Yup, thanks Julian. Even arranged to have the meter maid "look the other way." :) On 7/19/06, James G wrote: > All, > > It was great meeting you all! Sorry I had to head back to work. It > would've been nice to tool around in Rock Creek and off to Coleman's > with you. > > -James > '03 Yellow Duc ST4s > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 11:10:40 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:01:06 -0400 To: Leon Begeman , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? At 7/20/2006 12:25 AM, Leon Begeman wrote: >Here's an example. >Given a traffic light and a wide two lane road with >both left and right turns. >If a car (or more) are at the light is it legal for >another car to pass on the right and make a right >turn? No. >Is is legal for a motorcycle to do the same? No. >If a car is waiting to make a right turn, is it legal >for a motorcycle to pull up past him and wait at the >line for the light to change? Is it legal for a car >to do the same? No and No. >If a car is waiting to make a left turn, is it legal >for another car to pass on the right and go straight >through the intersection. Is it legal for a >motorcycle to do the same. No and no, unless you can get past without using any of the lane he is in, and so long as you pass only one vehicle this way. >You'd be surprised at how many drivers indicate it's >ok for a car to do those things but it should be >illegal for a motorcycle. No, not really. ;-) >Split lanes, don't ride on the shoulder. Don't do either. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 11:12:29 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:11:34 -0400 From: Skip Smith CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] do you commute and lane split? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1610/Thu Jul 20 02:32:33 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Danny Motorcycle wrote: > just wanted to take a poll just so we could all see the consensus > > > Do you commute and lane split? > > > some probably see it as a good thing.. > > some probably don't see it worth the risk > > > so? where do you stand? > > well, I have always wanted to lane split. i got my chance yesterday. I had to go from Sterling to Bethesda at about 3:00. I took the tool road [sic] to 495. I was sitting in the bumper-to-bumper stop and go that is the ramp to the inner loop. I said, "I really ought to just cruise up the middle." As if he were reading my mind, a cab pulled over to block me. Sweltering in my leather, the shoulder started looking good, but I toughed it out... until I got on 495, and it was the same, not moving bumper to bumper. I motored up the merge lanes, but when they ran out, so did my inhibition. I lane split from about a mile before georgetown pike over the cabin john bridge, past the 270 split, all the way to old georgetown road in bethesda. when traffic started moving, I merged back in with it. I had no real issues with the traffic. no one tried to kill me (I know they will, eventually), no one tried to block my path, a couple of folks even appeared to try and give me room. so I'm all for it. I will continue to judiciously apply the practice. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 11:30:40 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch weather! To: DCCycles Yes thanks for planning this. it was nice to meet people and match faces with email addresses. Also Is anyone going out to Summit tomorrow? --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > Great lunch and chat. Thanks to everyone for > coming! Let's plan a bike > night at Asylum sometime this summer. > > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:31 PM > To: James G > Cc: DCCycles; Julian Halton > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Great Ride to Lunch > weather! > > Yup, thanks Julian. Even arranged to have the meter > maid "look the > other way." :) > > On 7/19/06, James G > wrote: > > All, > > > > It was great meeting you all! Sorry I had to head > back to work. It > > would've been nice to tool around in Rock Creek > and off to Coleman's > > with you. > > > > -James > > '03 Yellow Duc ST4s > > > > > > > -- > Paul in DC > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 11:50:43 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:50:28 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: DCCycles X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: [dc-cycles] Lane splitting This is a long running argument of course. Try the archives and search for "lane splitting". I split in the city about half of the time. You can get away with it and people don't freak out about it in cars. We can thank bike messengers, couriers, and bicycle commuters for numbing the populace. When I am in Virginia, I never split any more. The couple of times I tried, I was met with angry fingers and cars blocking my path. The culture here is one of 'you think you are more important than me? FU!'. Which is why it is easy to do out West, in a wholly different culture of acceptance and tolerance for all things two wheeled. I bagged riding in today and took metro, with cause. 1) I had to bring in a bowling ball which wouldn't be pleasant on the bike, 2) security screening with all of my gear, in a suit, didn't sound fun, and 3) there aren't many free spots near where I was going unfortunately. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 21:11:01 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:10:52 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: "Leon Begeman" , DCCycles On 7/20/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 7/20/2006 12:25 AM, Leon Begeman wrote: > > > >If a car is waiting to make a left turn, is it legal > >for another car to pass on the right and go straight > >through the intersection. Is it legal for a > >motorcycle to do the same. > > No and no, unless you can get past without using any of the lane he is in, > and so long as you pass only one vehicle this way. What happens when you pass more than one vehicle? improper passing? I didn't know that was defined as when you pass more than one.. ? and which jurisdiction? all 3 local? or? > >Split lanes, don't ride on the shoulder. > > Don't do either. And don't ride, drive, bicycle, or jog. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 22:03:04 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "HarvesterUT (sent by Nabble.com)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber Helmet size XL X-Nabble-Sender: lists@XXXXXX X-Nabble-From: HarvesterUT Is this helmet still for sale? Any blemishes? Why no tinted visor? Thanks! Anthony anthonyredford@XXXXXX -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FS%3A-Vemar-VSR-Carbon-Fiber-Helmet-size-XL-tf1863591.html#a5427557 Sent from the DC Cycle List forum at Nabble.com. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 20 23:01:51 2006 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:01:42 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber Helmet size XL On 7/20/06, HarvesterUT (sent by Nabble.com) wrote: > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FS%3A-Vemar-VSR-Carbon-Fiber-Helmet-size-XL-tf1863591.html#a5427557 > Sent from the DC Cycle List forum at Nabble.com. > WTF is nabble.com ? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 07:53:03 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:52:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber Helmet size XL Nabble serriptitiously sniffs email lists and archives everything. Not sure if Harry put the moderator smackdown on this on DCC, but don't be surprised if you find more of these on more lists... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:happyscrappyheropup@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] FS: Vemar VSR Carbon Fiber Helmet size XL On 7/20/06, HarvesterUT (sent by Nabble.com) wrote: > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FS%3A-Vemar-VSR-Carbon-Fiber-Helmet-size-XL-tf1863591.html#a5427557 > Sent from the DC Cycle List forum at Nabble.com. > WTF is nabble.com ? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 08:08:39 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:08:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] dc registration hello all. wish i could say that i've missed you! :) moved to dc and looking to register new (to me) m/c. where is the inspection station for m/cs? thanks. -- tg Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 08:45:53 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:45:45 -0400 From: "James G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] dc registration Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX Washington DC's inspection station (yes, there's only one) is found at 1/2 and L streets, SW. Here's more info from their site: http://dmv.dc.gov/serv/inspections.shtm Plan on sitting in the sun for a little bit. They don't have a covered waiting area. The lines are shortest in the mornings on weekdays. They tend to be good to motorcycles and push you ahead of the line. The actual inspection is a bit of a joke. Make sure your signals and your brights work. That's about all they check. -James On 7/21/06, Tom Gimer wrote: > hello all. wish i could say that i've missed you! :) > > moved to dc and looking to register new (to me) m/c. where > is the inspection station for m/cs? > > thanks. > > -- > tg > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > - http://www.murphygimer.com > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 08:51:50 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:51:43 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Tom Gimer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] dc registration Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There is only one inspection station for all vehicles -- Half St. in SE. And you have to wait in line behind the cars. It sucks. On 7/21/06, Tom Gimer wrote: > hello all. wish i could say that i've missed you! :) > > moved to dc and looking to register new (to me) m/c. where > is the inspection station for m/cs? > > thanks. > > -- > tg > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > - http://www.murphygimer.com > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 08:55:31 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:55:23 -0400 From: "James G" To: "Aaron Maurer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] dc registration Cc: "Tom Gimer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/21/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > There is only one inspection station for all vehicles -- Half St. in > SE. And you have to wait in line behind the cars. It sucks. He means "SW", not "SE." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 09:08:59 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:08:52 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] dc registration Cc: "Tom Gimer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Roger that. The DC DMV website actually is pretty good on this point -- it explicitly tells you what paperwork you need to bring, what hours are the least busy, etc. On 7/21/06, James G wrote: > On 7/21/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > There is only one inspection station for all vehicles -- Half St. in > > SE. And you have to wait in line behind the cars. It sucks. > > He means "SW", not "SE." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 09:37:37 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:37:30 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] dc registration Go to the garage part first, Look for a short very darkskin guy. (I think he's jamaican) He rides. His name is Seepoe (dont 'know hte spelling, so i spelled it phonetically). Tell him Danny with the red kaw says "hi, get another bike and come back out, the streets miss you". Or go to any of the guys and say "does seepo still work here?" and "a friend of mine wanted me to him something". I figure once you talk to anyone, then they might say "come on to the front let's get you insepcted and out of here etc etc".. My other buddy Reggie no longer works there. You could always mention his name and see if it gets you anywhere. - Danny On 7/21/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Roger that. The DC DMV website actually is pretty good on this point > -- it explicitly tells you what paperwork you need to bring, what > hours are the least busy, etc. > > > On 7/21/06, James G wrote: > > On 7/21/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > > There is only one inspection station for all vehicles -- Half St. in > > > SE. And you have to wait in line behind the cars. It sucks. > > > > He means "SW", not "SE." > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 09:43:29 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone going to VIR August 18-20th? Anyone heading for the The Suzuki Big Kahuna Nationals August 18 - 20, 2006 at Virginia International Raceway in Alton, Virginia? A lot of the hotels are booked, give me the "heads up" if you find a place that still has availability. Thanks, Corbett -Corbett '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '99 BMW K1200RS '82 Honda CB750F (future Cafe Racer) '82 Honda XL250R (Ready to Sell) '78 Honda CB750k (future Cafe Racer or restore) AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 10:06:05 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:05:54 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] dc registration Cc: "Aaron Maurer" , "Tom Gimer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX But you'll need a temporary tag first, from the one and only temp tag issuing place at the C St. office. As I recall out-of-state tags don't cut it. And you'll need a DC driver's license too before you can do any sort of registration transaction at DC DMV. No temp tag, no inspection. Make sure before you leave the inspection that you get the "yellow sheet" that lists the VIN and the mileage. The inspector "forgot" to give me one once, and I had to go back. DMV won't issue title and tags without the "yellow sheet." Most of the time I get waved to the front of the line. Maybe it's my effervescent personality, maybe it's the bike. I dunno. :) I've got to have a cage and two bikes inspected before mid-October. Wish I could say I was looking forward to it, but that would be a lie. ;-) I've have good luck first thing in the morning, mid-week. They open at 6. I live pretty close to the station, so if the line's horrendous, I bail and go back another time. On 7/21/06, James G wrote: > On 7/21/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > There is only one inspection station for all vehicles -- Half St. in > > SE. And you have to wait in line behind the cars. It sucks. > > He means "SW", not "SE." > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 10:29:13 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:27:33 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Fun Route Recommendations to Carlisle, PA Anyone have a fun way to get there from Arlington? Not really in the mood to superslab down I-81. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: James G Cc: Aaron Maurer; Tom Gimer; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] dc registration But you'll need a temporary tag first, from the one and only temp tag issuing place at the C St. office. As I recall out-of-state tags don't cut it. And you'll need a DC driver's license too before you can do any sort of registration transaction at DC DMV. No temp tag, no inspection. Make sure before you leave the inspection that you get the "yellow sheet" that lists the VIN and the mileage. The inspector "forgot" to give me one once, and I had to go back. DMV won't issue title and tags without the "yellow sheet." Most of the time I get waved to the front of the line. Maybe it's my effervescent personality, maybe it's the bike. I dunno. :) I've got to have a cage and two bikes inspected before mid-October. Wish I could say I was looking forward to it, but that would be a lie. ;-) I've have good luck first thing in the morning, mid-week. They open at 6. I live pretty close to the station, so if the line's horrendous, I bail and go back another time. On 7/21/06, James G wrote: > On 7/21/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > There is only one inspection station for all vehicles -- Half St. in > > SE. And you have to wait in line behind the cars. It sucks. > > He means "SW", not "SE." > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 12:02:04 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:02:27 -0400 To: "Danny Motorcycle" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: DCCycles At 7/20/2006 09:10 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >On 7/20/06, Mike B. wrote: >>At 7/20/2006 12:25 AM, Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> >If a car is waiting to make a left turn, is it legal >> >for another car to pass on the right and go straight >> >through the intersection. Is it legal for a >> >motorcycle to do the same. >> >>No and no, unless you can get past without using any of the lane he is in, >>and so long as you pass only one vehicle this way. > >What happens when you pass more than one vehicle? improper passing? It is, but I don't know what they would write on the ticket. Maryland law: § 21-304. (a) Subject to the requirements of subsection (b) of this section, the driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another vehicle only: (1) If the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a left turn; (2) On a highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles and wide enough for two or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the same direction as the overtaking vehicle; or (3) On any one-way roadway, if the roadway is free from obstruction and wide enough for two or more lines of moving vehicles. (b) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle to the right only if it is safe to do so. (c) The movement described under subsection (b) of this section may not be made by driving off the roadway. >I didn't know that was defined as when you pass more than one.. ? and >which jurisdiction? all 3 local? or? http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/state_statutes3.html#motor_vehicles -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:05:09 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:04:59 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... http://dc.gov/mayor/news/release.asp?id=946&mon=200607 On National Ride to Work Day, Mayor Thanks District Residents and Workers Who Commute on a Motorcycle Contact (Media Only): Vince Morris (202) 727-5011; Sharon Gang (202) 727-5011 (Washington, DC) In honor of National Ride to Work Day, Mayor Anthony A. Williams today saluted District residents and commuters who ride motorcycles. The mayor said that motorcycles reduce regional congestion, require less space to park, are inexpensive, get at least 50 miles per gallon, are less threatening than large vehicles and generally have a smaller impact on roads than four- wheel vehicles. "Motorcycles are a great alternative to driving a car," said Mayor Williams. "They are fun to ride, get great mileage and you can park 4 of them in the space a single parked car takes up. I've often said that as a nation we need to do more to address the challenge of global warming. Reducing vehicle congestion on our roads in a critical priority for the District and our region. Anything that we can do to reduce emissions is valuable and I support motorcycles as a sound alternative to cars." National Ride to Work day is always the 3rd Wednesday in July. This is the 15th straight year the day has been observed. Mayor Williams also recognizes Bike to Work Day. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:11:10 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:11:03 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... Then why doesn't the Districe offer MORE and FREE MC parking? Oh, and get rid of the f'ing 4 hour limit (at some locations, anyway)! A 4 hour limit - yeah, that REALLY encourages motorcycle COMMUTING. F'ing hypocrite! Sorry, had to vent. Personal pet peeve... Perry On 7/21/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > http://dc.gov/mayor/news/release.asp?id=946&mon=200607 > > > On National Ride to Work Day, Mayor Thanks District Residents and > Workers Who Commute on a Motorcycle > > Contact (Media Only): Vince Morris (202) 727-5011; Sharon Gang (202) > 727-5011 > > (Washington, DC) In honor of National Ride to Work Day, Mayor > Anthony A. Williams today saluted District residents and commuters > who ride motorcycles. The mayor said that motorcycles reduce > regional congestion, require less space to park, are inexpensive, > get at least 50 miles per gallon, are less threatening than large > vehicles and generally have a smaller impact on roads than four- > wheel vehicles. > > "Motorcycles are a great alternative to driving a car," said Mayor > Williams. "They are fun to ride, get great mileage and you can park > 4 of them in the space a single parked car takes up. I've often said > that as a nation we need to do more to address the challenge of > global warming. Reducing vehicle congestion on our roads in a > critical priority for the District and our region. Anything that we > can do to reduce emissions is valuable and I support motorcycles as > a sound alternative to cars." > > National Ride to Work day is always the 3rd Wednesday in July. This > is the 15th straight year the day has been observed. Mayor Williams > also recognizes Bike to Work Day. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:16:02 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:15:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... PC Proclaimed: Then why doesn't the District offer MORE and FREE MC parking? Oh, and get rid of the f'ing 4 hour limit (at some locations, anyway)! A 4 hour limit - yeah, that REALLY encourages motorcycle COMMUTING. F'ing hypocrite! Sorry, had to vent. Personal pet peeve... [Dave] Yeah. When it comes to mayors, he's no Marion Barry. ;-) On 7/21/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > http://dc.gov/mayor/news/release.asp?id=946&mon=200607 > > > On National Ride to Work Day, Mayor Thanks District Residents and > Workers Who Commute on a Motorcycle From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:18:16 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:18:08 -0400 From: "James G" To: "Perry Coleman" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... Cc: DCCycles AMEN! On top of that, we should be able to LANE SPLIT! -James '03 Yellow Duc ST4s From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:18:31 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:18:23 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: DCCycles Where does it say anythking about "more than one vehicle" ? On 7/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > At 7/20/2006 09:10 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >On 7/20/06, Mike B. wrote: > >>At 7/20/2006 12:25 AM, Leon Begeman wrote: > >> > >> >If a car is waiting to make a left turn, is it legal > >> >for another car to pass on the right and go straight > >> >through the intersection. Is it legal for a > >> >motorcycle to do the same. > >> > >>No and no, unless you can get past without using any of the lane he is in, > >>and so long as you pass only one vehicle this way. > > > >What happens when you pass more than one vehicle? improper passing? > > It is, but I don't know what they would write on the ticket. > > Maryland law: > > § 21-304. > > (a) Subject to the requirements of subsection (b) of this > section, the driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of > another vehicle only: > > (1) If the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a > left turn; > > (2) On a highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied > by parked vehicles and wide enough for two or more lines of vehicles moving > lawfully in the same direction as the overtaking vehicle; or > > (3) On any one-way roadway, if the roadway is free from > obstruction and wide enough for two or more lines of moving vehicles. > > (b) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another > vehicle to the right only if it is safe to do so. > > (c) The movement described under subsection (b) of this section > may not be made by driving off the roadway. > > >I didn't know that was defined as when you pass more than one.. ? and > >which jurisdiction? all 3 local? or? > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/state_statutes3.html#motor_vehicles > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:24:41 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:24:33 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... What's the point of 4 hour metered parking anyway? he said they are fun to ride.. does he ride? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:31:20 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:29:03 -0400 To: "Danny Motorcycle" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: DCCycles In the text that I quoted. There can only be one that is "turning left or about to turn left". Any additional vehicles are waiting to move forward once the one in front of them gets out of the way (whether they will turn left as well after they do or not). It is also implied by the "must be safe" part of the rules. If the guy in front of you is turning left, you can safely go around him most of the time...but if you pass a car which is not turning left, there's a fair chance that he will decide to pass too and pull out into you as you go by, or the left-turner will make his turn and the guy behind him will head down the road again, and there you are hung out in the breeze on the right...either way, not safe. -- Mike B. At 7/21/2006 02:18 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Where does it say anythking about "more than one vehicle" ? > >On 7/21/06, Mike B. wrote: >>At 7/20/2006 09:10 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >> >On 7/20/06, Mike B. wrote: >> >>At 7/20/2006 12:25 AM, Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> >> >> >If a car is waiting to make a left turn, is it legal >> >> >for another car to pass on the right and go straight >> >> >through the intersection. Is it legal for a >> >> >motorcycle to do the same. >> >> >> >>No and no, unless you can get past without using any of the lane he is in, >> >>and so long as you pass only one vehicle this way. >> > >> >What happens when you pass more than one vehicle? improper passing? >> >>It is, but I don't know what they would write on the ticket. >> >>Maryland law: >> >>§ 21-304. >> >> (a) Subject to the requirements of subsection (b) of this >>section, the driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of >>another vehicle only: >> >> (1) If the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a >>left turn; >> >> (2) On a highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied >>by parked vehicles and wide enough for two or more lines of vehicles moving >>lawfully in the same direction as the overtaking vehicle; or >> >> (3) On any one-way roadway, if the roadway is free from >>obstruction and wide enough for two or more lines of moving vehicles. >> >> (b) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another >>vehicle to the right only if it is safe to do so. >> >> (c) The movement described under subsection (b) of this section >>may not be made by driving off the roadway. >> >> >I didn't know that was defined as when you pass more than one.. ? and >> >which jurisdiction? all 3 local? or? >> >>http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/state_statutes3.html#motor_vehicles >> >> >>-- >>-- Mike B. >> >>'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) >> >>Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >>is better. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:31:20 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:24:11 -0400 To: "Aaron Maurer" , DCCycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... At 7/21/2006 02:04 PM, Aaron Maurer wrote: >http://dc.gov/mayor/news/release.asp?id=946&mon=200607 > > >On National Ride to Work Day, Mayor Thanks District Residents and >Workers Who Commute on a Motorcycle > >Contact (Media Only): Vince Morris (202) 727-5011; Sharon Gang (202) >727-5011 > >(Washington, DC) In honor of National Ride to Work Day, Mayor >Anthony A. Williams today saluted District residents and commuters > >"Motorcycles are a great alternative to driving a car," said Mayor >Williams. "They are fun to ride, get great mileage and you can park >4 of them in the space a single parked car takes up. I've often said >that as a nation we need to do more to address the challenge of >global warming. Reducing vehicle congestion on our roads in a >critical priority for the District and our region. Anything that we >can do to reduce emissions is valuable and I support motorcycles as >a sound alternative to cars." Does that mean he'll be working to change things in the District so that it's legal to park more than one bike in a metered space, there's more than one place to get one inspected, and other measures that might increase ridership? That was a rhetorical question... -- Mike B. -- The gene pool could use a little chlorine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:34:52 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:34:45 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... On 7/21/06, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] Yeah. When it comes to mayors, he's no Marion Barry. > ;-) Chris Rock: "Now you can't tell your kids, 'Don't smoke crack, or else you won't be nothin'.... 'Well, I could be mayor." -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:35:55 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:35:42 -0400 From: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\) [E]" To: "DCCycles" Maybe the person who wrote that for him rides. ;) Art he said they are fun to ride.. does he ride? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 14:46:56 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:46:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... Doesn't he post on DCSportbikes as "Hizzoner"? Maybe the person who wrote that for him rides. ;) Art he said they are fun to ride.. does he ride? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 15:23:15 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:22:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... To: DCCycles >From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [E]" >Date: 2006/07/21 Fri PM 01:35:42 CDT >To: DCCycles >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... >Maybe the person who wrote that for him rides. ;) > >Art > I've emailed the Mayor and expressed everyone's concerns. Can't say it'll make any difference but you never know. I doubt he even knew that there's a 4 hour limit on motorcycle parking. -aki (who has staff in the Mayors office FWIW) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 15:33:01 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:32:54 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: DCCycles I agree with your judgements on what is prudent from a safety standpoint, however I disagree with your statement of "can only be one". When it comes to the law, the law must be specific, and not implied. One could argue, that if the turn signal is active, on a second car, that he too is about to turn left. Or if the second car is at the line, with his wheel turned, and the first car is in the intersection about to turn then 2 cars are about to turn... the law doesn't state "one" or "only one", and to be guilty of a law, you must be guilty of the exact wording of the law, not "what's implied by the law". hence if it doesn't say "only one" then it's not illegal to pass more than one. I will agree that if the 2nd car seems to be waiting and has no indication of turning, then it is improper passing. -Danny On 7/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > In the text that I quoted. > > There can only be one that is "turning left or about to turn left". Any > additional vehicles are waiting to move forward once the one in front of > them gets out of the way (whether they will turn left as well after they do > or not). > > It is also implied by the "must be safe" part of the rules. If the guy in > front of you is turning left, you can safely go around him most of the > time...but if you pass a car which is not turning left, there's a fair > chance that he will decide to pass too and pull out into you as you go by, > or the left-turner will make his turn and the guy behind him will head down > the road again, and there you are hung out in the breeze on the > right...either way, not safe. > > -- Mike B. > > At 7/21/2006 02:18 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >Where does it say anythking about "more than one vehicle" ? > > > >On 7/21/06, Mike B. wrote: > >>At 7/20/2006 09:10 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > >> >On 7/20/06, Mike B. wrote: > >> >>At 7/20/2006 12:25 AM, Leon Begeman wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >If a car is waiting to make a left turn, is it legal > >> >> >for another car to pass on the right and go straight > >> >> >through the intersection. Is it legal for a > >> >> >motorcycle to do the same. > >> >> > >> >>No and no, unless you can get past without using any of the lane he is in, > >> >>and so long as you pass only one vehicle this way. > >> > > >> >What happens when you pass more than one vehicle? improper passing? > >> > >>It is, but I don't know what they would write on the ticket. > >> > >>Maryland law: > >> > >>§ 21-304. > >> > >> (a) Subject to the requirements of subsection (b) of this > >>section, the driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of > >>another vehicle only: > >> > >> (1) If the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a > >>left turn; > >> > >> (2) On a highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied > >>by parked vehicles and wide enough for two or more lines of vehicles moving > >>lawfully in the same direction as the overtaking vehicle; or > >> > >> (3) On any one-way roadway, if the roadway is free from > >>obstruction and wide enough for two or more lines of moving vehicles. > >> > >> (b) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another > >>vehicle to the right only if it is safe to do so. > >> > >> (c) The movement described under subsection (b) of this section > >>may not be made by driving off the roadway. > >> > >> >I didn't know that was defined as when you pass more than one.. ? and > >> >which jurisdiction? all 3 local? or? > >> > >>http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/state_statutes3.html#motor_vehicles > >> > >> > >>-- > >>-- Mike B. > >> > >>'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > >> > >>Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > >>is better. > >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 15:36:55 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:36:48 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "adamme@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: RE: [dc-cycles] The Mayor has spoken... Cc: DCCycles On 7/21/06, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > I've emailed the Mayor and expressed everyone's concerns. Can't say it'll make any difference > but you never know. I doubt he even knew that there's > a 4 hour limit on motorcycle parking. > > -aki > (who has staff in the Mayors office FWIW) Cool. A closed mouth doesn't get fed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 15:38:52 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:38:43 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] using bicycle lanes? Just wondering the lists thoughts on using lanes marked for bicycles, like one 9th street... Do you use them? Do you think you shouldn't use them? Have any officials spoken to you about it? What are you feelings to the idea of all new roads that are expected to be packed during rush hour have bicycle/motorcycle only lane as well? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 16:00:23 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:00:16 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Danny Motorcycle" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] using bicycle lanes? Cc: DCCycles I have never seen those joint bus/bicycle lanes enforced, even by police officers standing right there. I use them on the bike and motorcycle all of the time... rarely drive the car to that area. On 7/21/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Just wondering the lists thoughts on using lanes marked for bicycles, > like one 9th street... > > Do you use them? > > Do you think you shouldn't use them? > > Have any officials spoken to you about it? > > What are you feelings to the idea of all new roads that are expected > to be packed during rush hour have bicycle/motorcycle only lane as > well? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 16:29:32 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:29:08 -0400 To: "Danny Motorcycle" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] commute - lane split or not to lane split, that is the ?? Cc: DCCycles At 7/21/2006 03:32 PM, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >I agree with your judgements on what is prudent from a safety standpoint, >however I disagree with your statement of "can only be one". > >When it comes to the law, the law must be specific, and not implied. Not always, and the statutory part (that I quoted) is only part of the law. The other part is the case law...precedent. Check that too. I'm busy. >One could argue, that if the turn signal is active, on a second car, >that he too is about to turn left. He's also not likely from around here... > Or if the second car is at the >line, with his wheel turned, and the first car is in the intersection >about to turn then 2 cars are about to turn... ...and if the man, piaba, and the woman, piaba, and the tantan root by the lemon grass... >the law doesn't state "one" or "only one", and to be guilty of a >law, you must be guilty of the exact wording of the law, not "what's >implied by the law". You are suggesting that it must always be the "letter of the law"? Never the "spirit"? I think you will find that courts don't work that way...and sometimes that's best. >hence if it doesn't say "only one" then it's not >illegal to pass more than one. ...unless the judge decides that doing so wasn't safe because passing more than one car just isn't. In that case you are in violation of both the letter and the spirit of the law. "Take him away, bailiff!" -- Mike B. -- "Let there be spaces in your Togetherness." -- Kahlil Gibran From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 21 17:57:20 2006 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] using bicycle lanes? To: Danny Motorcycle , DCCycles Use them all the time in DC. --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Just wondering the lists thoughts on using lanes > marked for bicycles, > like one 9th street... > > Do you use them? > > Do you think you shouldn't use them? > > Have any officials spoken to you about it? > > What are you feelings to the idea of all new roads > that are expected > to be packed during rush hour have > bicycle/motorcycle only lane as > well? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 22 10:13:15 2006 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tyburski To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Need MD Inspection Hello. I've been in the Gaithersburg area a year, just got a bike, and I need to have it inspected. I wish to heed the sage advice of not going to a bike shop for this. I searched through the archives and saw mention of car garages in my area that do bike inspections but nothing specific. If there is something closer to me than the Potomac Amoco, I would like to go there for greater convenience. Does anyone have a recommendation? Thank you very much. -John Tyburski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 22 11:49:52 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Need MD Inspection Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:49:45 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797ca3e47aa85d3ab3b0073973f709e80d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c MD is pretty anal about inspections since you only get one At new tag time. Despite this, having done over a dozen vehicles In the PRM, honestly I think you're just as well off going to any Place that will inspect bikes. The good thing about MD, if you flunk You can go somewhere else and perhaps pass, but if you go back to the Place you flunked at, with your receipt, they ONLY inspect the item(s) Flunked, period. I say just go to any place that will do it and not sweat it so much. My few pieces of eight. Dave -----Original Message----- From: John Tyburski [mailto:tyburskijb@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Need MD Inspection Hello. I've been in the Gaithersburg area a year, just got a bike, and I need to have it inspected. I wish to heed the sage advice of not going to a bike shop for this. I searched through the archives and saw mention of car garages in my area that do bike inspections but nothing specific. If there is something closer to me than the Potomac Amoco, I would like to go there for greater convenience. Does anyone have a recommendation? Thank you very much. -John Tyburski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 23 22:17:46 2006 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:17:24 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Need MD Inspection John, You can go to Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Old Town G'burg. Dave will not screw you over. On the other hand, he may be busy. The other good place is Montgomery Village Auto at the corner of Mont. Village and Club House Rd. They also do bike inspections and are usually pretty accomodating. I've used both. Perry On 7/22/06, John Tyburski wrote: > Hello. I've been in the Gaithersburg area a year, just > got a bike, and I need to have it inspected. I wish to > heed the sage advice of not going to a bike shop for > this. I searched through the archives and saw mention > of car garages in my area that do bike inspections but > nothing specific. If there is something closer to me > than the Potomac Amoco, I would like to go there for > greater convenience. Does anyone have a > recommendation? Thank you very much. -John Tyburski > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 24 09:10:49 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:10:33 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Two scooter vignettes in the Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300666.html Two scooter-commuter vignettes in today's Post. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 24 09:17:10 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:16:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Need MD Inspection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Perry Coleman >Date: 2006/07/23 Sun PM 09:17:24 CDT >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Need MD Inspection >John, > >You can go to Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Old Town G'burg. >Dave will not screw you over. On the other hand, he may be busy. The >other good place is Montgomery Village Auto at the corner of Mont. >Village and Club House Rd. They also do bike inspections and are >usually pretty accomodating. I've used both. CAD is where I took my Harley rims/tires to get them mounted/balanced. They did a great job, took about an hour and only charged me $20 a tire. Good people. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 24 13:54:08 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:53:57 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Aaron Maurer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Two scooter vignettes in the Post Cc: DCCycles Interesting. One includes a vivid account of [gasp] lanesplitting and/or filtering. On 7/24/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300666.html > > Two scooter-commuter vignettes in today's Post. > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 24 14:14:52 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:14:42 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Paul Wilson" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Two scooter vignettes in the Post Cc: DCCycles It also is interesting in that it only identifies the ride as a "Yamaha Majesty," without specifying to the great unwashed masses exactly what type of transportation that might be. On 7/24/06, Paul Wilson wrote: > Interesting. One includes a vivid account of [gasp] lanesplitting > and/or filtering. > > On 7/24/06, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300666.html > > > > Two scooter-commuter vignettes in today's Post. > > > > > > > -- > Paul in DC > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 24 16:37:40 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:37:28 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: dcpatti Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] dc registration Cc: "James G" , "Aaron Maurer" , "Tom Gimer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, I got yelled at for minimal tire tread, down to the wear bars, on my KLR two years ago. It still passed, however. No actual measurement involved, just a look-see. Do they still have you apply the brake and then push forward on the bars? [eye roll] As if that proves anything. On 7/24/06, dcpatti wrote: > > > > I just had the Moto Guzzi inspected about 3 weeks ago and was shocked that > they actually measured the tire tread. Maybe I just got the "gung ho" > inspector and maybe it was a slow day for them, or maybe the're going to > start doing more than just signals-mirrors-horn for bikes... -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 24 17:37:35 2006 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:37:28 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: DCCycles Subject: Fwd: [dc-cycles] dc registration I dunno... The Magna 700 I learned to ride on might have failed that brake test. Fork oil had breached the seals and evidently soaked the pads and rotors when it was moved cross country in the back of a moving van. Not my bike, and the first thing I ever rode, so I had no idea how bad the brakes were until I started test riding bikes to purchase on my own. I almost stoppied some nameless 80s UJM on my first test ride. On 7/24/06, Paul Wilson wrote: > Yeah, I got yelled at for minimal tire tread, down to the wear bars, > on my KLR two years ago. It still passed, however. No actual > measurement involved, just a look-see. Do they still have you apply > the brake and then push forward on the bars? [eye roll] As if that > proves anything. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 09:55:17 2006 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:54:56 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else I am heading away from my office in Ballston at about 6:30. I am on four wheels and taking a residential side street...11 street north. A big honking gold wing type bike makes a right turn at the intersection and accelerates hard. I notice the guy is in shorts and a tee with a half helmet. I follow about 100 feet behind. He hits the next stop sign and goes left and hard on the gas. The bike leans and leans some more. I have time for two thoughts....."I did not know those monsters could lean like that"..and "He is driving that like a man in some distress". As I approach the stop sign, my eyes are tracking the leaned over BNW K1200LT. The bike fisthtails and goes over. I stop, help Mark W to his feet, check him for injuries and cannot help but admonish him for no gear plus driving attitude. He explains he had a bad day. I wrench my back helping raise the behemoth upright in the MSF approved fashion. The clutch lever is snapped clean off so the bike is not moving. I arrange for a call to his insurance and also for police. I left the scene after the police arrived. The driver mentioned he had taken the MSF course, was upset and was only going a few blocks. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 10:05:07 2006 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:04:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Julian Halton >Date: 2006/07/25 Tue AM 08:54:56 CDT >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else > > > >I am heading away from my office in Ballston at about 6:30. I am on >four wheels and taking a residential side street...11 street north. A >big honking gold wing type bike makes a right turn at the intersection >and accelerates hard. I notice the guy is in shorts and a tee with a >half helmet. I follow about 100 feet behind. He hits the next stop sign >and goes left and hard on the gas. The bike leans and leans some more. >I have time for two thoughts....."I did not know those monsters could >lean like that"..and "He is driving that like a man in some distress". > >As I approach the stop sign, my eyes are tracking the leaned over BNW >K1200LT. The bike fisthtails and goes over. I stop, help Mark W to his >feet, check him for injuries and cannot help but admonish him for no >gear plus driving attitude. He explains he had a bad day. I wrench my >back helping raise the behemoth upright in the MSF approved fashion. >The clutch lever is snapped clean off so the bike is not moving. I >arrange for a call to his insurance and also for police. I left the >scene after the police arrived. > >The driver mentioned he had taken the MSF course, was upset and was only >going a few blocks. > >Julian Halton >Group Logic >julian@XXXXXX >703.527.7979 x 2338 just two things: 1. Thanks for helping a fellow (albeit braindead) biker. You just went up about a dozen notches in my book. 2. It was obvious that he didn't learn some of the more critical points in the MSF class, one being wearing proper protective gear, and the other being never ride with your head screwed half on. I personally think he lied to you about taking the MSF class. Everything he did indicated he didn't. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 10:06:44 2006 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:06:36 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So the guy in the goldwing didn't go down, and is just another story before the real story? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 10:07:38 2006 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:07:28 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh nevermind you said goldwing type. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 10:11:20 2006 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:11:13 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX btw did you know a bike can be ridden without a clutch lever? there has been a lot of gear discussions lately over at dcsb..com. I see it as a persons own perogative to suffer a little bit often or a lot all at once :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 10:27:38 2006 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:27:04 -0400 I have ridden my honda without the clutch. Stops and starts are difficult, but not impossible. My beemer, however, will not shift without the clutch and god knows I've tried - especially when the clutch went out. FYI YMMV etc. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else btw did you know a bike can be ridden without a clutch lever? there has been a lot of gear discussions lately over at dcsb..com. I see it as a persons own perogative to suffer a little bit often or a lot all at once :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 10:34:27 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:34:15 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "LindaT." , "Dc-Cycles" I had him sit on the bike and tried to push it. The bike was not going anywhere and also would not start. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: LindaT. [mailto:linda@XXXXXX] To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else I have ridden my honda without the clutch. Stops and starts are difficult, but not impossible. My beemer, however, will not shift without the clutch and god knows I've tried - especially when the clutch went out. FYI YMMV etc. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com West Park, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else btw did you know a bike can be ridden without a clutch lever? there has been a lot of gear discussions lately over at dcsb..com. I see it as a persons own perogative to suffer a little bit often or a lot all at once :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 11:09:33 2006 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:09:29 -0400 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else At 7/25/2006 10:04 AM, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: Julian Halton > > >The driver mentioned he had taken the MSF course, was upset and was only > >going a few blocks. > >just two things: > >1. Thanks for helping a fellow (albeit braindead) biker. You just went >up about a dozen notches in my book. > >2. It was obvious that he didn't learn some of the more critical points >in the MSF class, one being wearing proper protective gear, and the other >being never ride with your head screwed half on. > >I personally think he lied to you about taking the MSF class. Everything >he did indicated he didn't. > >-aki I agree with aki...though it's entirely possible the guy took the course, but didn't pay more attention than it took to pass it. Some folks take it because the state insists they do, which is not a good frame of mind to have for learning, and others take it for the insurance break, which isn't any better. Those who take it because they are interested in reducing their risks are the ones who learn something from it I think. Julian, how did you hurt your back picking the bike up? I never took the BRC (bikes are too small for me anyway), but I did take the ERC, which didn't cover picking up bikes. I've watched a DVD that taught the 'Backing into it' method, which seems to work well (the DVD showed a small woman picking up a Gold Wing this way), but the two times I've had to pick up my Harley, I didn't really use it. Once there was a guy who helped, so I didn't really get to try it (and we almost put it over the other way in the process), and the other was after the accident last year when I just picked it up more or less the way I would a 10 speed and I guess there was enough adrenaline at the time that I didn't notice it being particularly heavy. ;-) Neither time was there any back strain for me. I know you have had problems with your back before...maybe contributed to the problem this time? Maybe you should leave the bike lifting to others for a while and let it fully heal up? Just a thought... Oh, and the dozen notches thing...you were already pretty far up the scale for me, and I wasn't at all surprised to hear that you stopped to help. Well done though! -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 12:31:45 2006 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:31:34 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/25/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > As I approach the stop sign, my eyes are tracking the leaned over BNW > K1200LT. The bike fisthtails and goes over. I stop, help Mark W to his > feet, check him for injuries and cannot help but admonish him for no > gear plus driving attitude. He explains he had a bad day. I wrench my > back helping raise the behemoth upright in the MSF approved fashion. > The clutch lever is snapped clean off so the bike is not moving. I > arrange for a call to his insurance and also for police. I left the > scene after the police arrived. > > The driver mentioned he had taken the MSF course, was upset and was only > going a few blocks. > If I'm having a "bad day" or am "upset" the last thing I do is hop on the bike. :-\ Obviously I am not an official spokescritter for MSF, but I need to correct a misperception. The MSF BRC course is not some "magic pill" that you swallow and one becomes a better rider. One of the disclaimers made is that "we cannot guarantee that you will put the concepts to use." So, it's entirely possible this gentleman made it through the course and still makes basic errors out on the street, rides when he's not 100% and regularly rides without adequate protective gear. We need to be careful not to oversell MSF-style training. It's ten or so hours of riding and five hours of classroom and they're turned loose. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 13:05:36 2006 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:05:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Why would you call the police? If this had been me, that would have been the last thing I would have wanted. In VA even if you are not at fault, you'll have accident on your record. Now calling a bike shop to get a tow, yes. Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > I > arrange for a call to his insurance and also for > police. I left the > scene after the police arrived. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 25 13:29:41 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:29:21 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Glenn Dysart" , He wanted some help and apparently worked for state department so in response to his request I notified the officer around the corner at the DARPA building that there was a bike in the middle of the road that could not move. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else Why would you call the police? If this had been me, that would have been the last thing I would have wanted. In VA even if you are not at fault, you'll have accident on your record. Now calling a bike shop to get a tow, yes. Glenn --- Julian Halton wrote: > > I > arrange for a call to his insurance and also for police. I left the > scene after the police arrived. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 11:11:34 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tyburski To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] CAD Cycles closed until Aug 1 [I've been trying to post this for a couple of days, but I keep getting rejected. Let's see if it goes through now...]   Thanks for the recommendation about Cad Cycles from a few days ago. Just wanted to let folks know they are closed until August 1 for rennovations. Best to call before going, just in case the rennovations aren't completed by then. Thanks Perry for recommending the other inspection stations. -John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 11:22:06 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:21:44 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] CAD Cycles closed until Aug 1 John, Thanks for the update on CAD. You're welcome on the other recommendation. Glad to help. Perry On 7/26/06, John Tyburski wrote: > [I've been trying to post this for a couple of days, but I keep getting > rejected. Let's see if it goes through now...] > > Thanks for the recommendation about Cad Cycles from a few days ago. > Just wanted to let folks know they are closed until August 1 for > rennovations. Best to call before going, just in case the rennovations > aren't completed by then. Thanks Perry for recommending the other > inspection stations. -John > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 14:59:12 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? I remember a couple months ago there was shop in Northern Virgina that a couple listers recommended for work on Yamahas. I can't remember which one is was. Any help? Thanks Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 15:03:29 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:02:51 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? To: ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Cycle Sport in Alexandria. 7800 Richmond Hwy. 703-780-1245 Scooter -----Original Message----- From: ajreinhardt@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? I remember a couple months ago there was shop in Northern Virgina that a couple listers recommended for work on Yamahas. I can't remember which one is was. Any help? Thanks Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 15:07:25 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:07:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? To: Adam Reinhardt Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've had decent experiences with Champion Motorsports (along West Ox/606 just outside of Herndon). I am fairly sure they're a Yamaha dealer. But, the guy I REALLY trusted, Nick, no longer works there, so my recommendation is muted a little. Though, if I still had a bike, I'd take it there. They're a smaller shop compared to some of the others. - Jimmy --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > I remember a couple months ago there was shop in > Northern Virgina that a couple listers recommended for > work on Yamahas. I can't remember which one is was. > Any help? > > > Thanks > > Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 15:18:58 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:18:50 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? Jimmy, Any idea where Nick went?? -Norris On 7/26/06, James O'Connor wrote: > I've had decent experiences with Champion Motorsports (along West > Ox/606 just outside of Herndon). I am fairly sure they're a Yamaha > dealer. But, the guy I REALLY trusted, Nick, no longer works there, > so my recommendation is muted a little. Though, if I still had a > bike, I'd take it there. They're a smaller shop compared to some of > the others. > > - Jimmy > > --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > I remember a couple months ago there was shop in > > Northern Virgina that a couple listers recommended for > > work on Yamahas. I can't remember which one is was. > > Any help? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 15:26:18 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? To: "Dr. Corona" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ferrari dealership next to CarMax on Rt28. Lucky bastard. --- "Dr. Corona" wrote: > Jimmy, > > Any idea where Nick went?? > > -Norris > > > > On 7/26/06, James O'Connor wrote: > > I've had decent experiences with Champion Motorsports (along West > > Ox/606 just outside of Herndon). I am fairly sure they're a > Yamaha > > dealer. But, the guy I REALLY trusted, Nick, no longer works > there, > > so my recommendation is muted a little. Though, if I still had a > > bike, I'd take it there. They're a smaller shop compared to some > of > > the others. > > > > - Jimmy > > > > --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > > > I remember a couple months ago there was shop in > > > Northern Virgina that a couple listers recommended for > > > work on Yamahas. I can't remember which one is was. > > > Any help? > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 15:27:31 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:27:23 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? Damn! Good for him, big loss for Champion, that's for sure. -Norris On 7/26/06, James O'Connor wrote: > Ferrari dealership next to CarMax on Rt28. Lucky bastard. > > > --- "Dr. Corona" wrote: > > > Jimmy, > > > > Any idea where Nick went?? > > > > -Norris > > > > > > > > On 7/26/06, James O'Connor wrote: > > > I've had decent experiences with Champion Motorsports (along West > > > Ox/606 just outside of Herndon). I am fairly sure they're a > > Yamaha > > > dealer. But, the guy I REALLY trusted, Nick, no longer works > > there, > > > so my recommendation is muted a little. Though, if I still had a > > > bike, I'd take it there. They're a smaller shop compared to some > > of > > > the others. > > > > > > - Jimmy > > > > > > --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > > > > > I remember a couple months ago there was shop in > > > > Northern Virgina that a couple listers recommended for > > > > work on Yamahas. I can't remember which one is was. > > > > Any help? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 15:36:17 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:36:06 -0400 From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Place for rubber o-rings? Does anybody know a local place where I can find a number of rubber o-rings? Guessing maybe a plumbing supply store. I saw an interesting mod this past weekend at the BMW MOA Rally in Burlington, VT to increase the diameter of your handgrips by sliding on a number of these o-rings side by side. Figured I'd give it a try before heading to Sturgis next month. Any ideas? Rob '98 VFR800 Germantown, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 15:49:06 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Place for rubber o-rings? To: Rob Keiser , DC-Cycles Interesting idea. I wish they made slip on grip covers to enlarge grip and provide more cushion. Could even make them zip up. Lowes has o-rings in plumbing and in hardware sections. Though they've never held up that well in my experience at using them for non-plumbing, outdoor applications. Suspect they'd work well enough for grip enlargers for a few thousand miles before wearing out. - Jimmy --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Does anybody know a local place where I can find a number of rubber > o-rings? Guessing maybe a plumbing supply store. > > I saw an interesting mod this past weekend at the BMW MOA Rally in > Burlington, VT to increase the diameter of your handgrips by > sliding > on a number of these o-rings side by side. Figured I'd give it a > try > before heading to Sturgis next month. > > Any ideas? > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > Germantown, MD > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 16:09:03 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:08:44 -0400 From: "James G" To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Place for rubber o-rings? Cc: "Rob Keiser" , DC-Cycles A buddy of mine went out west last month on his VStrom and put about 5500 miles on the bike. At one point he stopped and talked to another tourer and was offered an o-ring. It wasn't for the purposes of making the handles bigger. It was an o-ring for "cruise control." If you roll the o-ring all the way left on your accelerator, it can hold the throttle in place. This can also be an 'unintended feature' in traffic. Be careful with throttle-lock when you've got o-rings on that throttle!! All hail the mighty clutch lever. Just make sure you don't use an o-ring on the left side and mistakenly jam the clutch open at the same time you've jammed the throttle open!! -James '03 Yellow Duc ST4s From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 16:18:52 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Place for rubber o-rings? To: James G Cc: Rob Keiser , DC-Cycles If you were to do this, you might as well repack your muffler bearings while you're at it ;) - Jimmy --- James G wrote: Just make sure you don't use an o-ring on the > left side and mistakenly jam the clutch open at the same time > you've > jammed the throttle open!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 16:52:58 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Place for rubber o-rings? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- James O'Connor wrote: > Interesting idea. I wish they made slip on grip covers to enlarge > grip and provide more cushion. they do. dennis kirk and/or jcwhitney have neoprene squares with a strip of velcro. I've had mine for some time now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 26 18:15:09 2006 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:14:58 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "matthew patton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Place for rubber o-rings? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX "Grip Puppies" have been recommend for the 12GS. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153906&highlight=grip http://grip-tek.com/ > --- James O'Connor wrote: > > > Interesting idea. I wish they made slip on grip covers to enlarge > > grip and provide more cushion. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 29 13:26:55 2006 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:25:25 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else X-Spam-Level: *** X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1625/Sat Jul 29 08:53:06 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > > >From: Julian Halton > >Date: 2006/07/25 Tue AM 08:54:56 CDT > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: [dc-cycles] this time it was someone else > > >[snip] > >The driver mentioned he had taken the MSF course, was upset and was only > >going a few blocks. > > > >Julian Halton > >Group Logic > >julian@XXXXXX > >703.527.7979 x 2338 > > just two things: > > 1. Thanks for helping a fellow (albeit braindead) biker. You just went up about a dozen notches in my book. > > 2. It was obvious that he didn't learn some of the more critical points in the MSF class, one being wearing proper protective gear, and the other being never ride with your head screwed half on. > > I personally think he lied to you about taking the MSF class. Everything he did indicated he didn't. > > -aki I was out of town this past week at the Pony Nationals (Girl's Fastpitch softball) so I'm coming into this late. I havent' taken the BRC or the ERC, but I've done a lot of reading and talking to folks regarding safety, similar to what I've done with skydiving. I wear gear, regardless of the weather, regardless of the temperature. that said, there have been times when I've hopped on the bike a flogged the shit out of it to vent. is it a "good thing"? Noooooo. but we don't always make good decisions, and we make them less frequently when we're royally pissed. that said, I do it a -lot- less now than when I was invincible. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 29 13:29:07 2006 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:27:40 -0400 From: skip To: "James O'Connor" CC: "Dr. Corona" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? X-Spam-Level: *** X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1625/Sat Jul 29 08:53:06 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean a friend of mine works on porsches and audis. he was talking about the labor rate and some common bills. i was stunned. his response: "Drive big, pay big" :~) --skip, in a 10 year old accord James O'Connor wrote: > > Ferrari dealership next to CarMax on Rt28. Lucky bastard. > > --- "Dr. Corona" wrote: > > > Jimmy, > > > > Any idea where Nick went?? > > > > -Norris > > > > > > > > On 7/26/06, James O'Connor wrote: > > > I've had decent experiences with Champion Motorsports (along West > > > Ox/606 just outside of Herndon). I am fairly sure they're a > > Yamaha > > > dealer. But, the guy I REALLY trusted, Nick, no longer works > > there, > > > so my recommendation is muted a little. Though, if I still had a > > > bike, I'd take it there. They're a smaller shop compared to some > > of > > > the others. > > > > > > - Jimmy > > > > > > --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > > > > > I remember a couple months ago there was shop in > > > > Northern Virgina that a couple listers recommended for > > > > work on Yamahas. I can't remember which one is was. > > > > Any help? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 29 13:44:25 2006 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:44:00 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yamaha Shop - Northern VA ? To: dc-cycles At 01:27 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote: >a friend of mine works on porsches and audis. he was talking about the >labor rate and some common bills. i was stunned. his response: "Drive >big, pay big" > >:~) We have two Lexi, my LS430 had a power side mirror go out...$900. One of four auto-tilt motors went out - $1,000 yeah..thank gawd it's all under warranty. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 30 12:33:43 2006 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Chopper for sale on Ebay My yellow Ninja 250 chopper is for sale. I'd love to keep it, but building a Harley is expensive. This is a long low chopper for folks who don't need one to compensate for . . . a shortage in other areas. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 30 13:00:30 2006 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:00:20 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Chopper for sale on Ebay On 7/30/06, Leon Begeman wrote: > My yellow Ninja 250 chopper is for sale. I'd love to > keep it, but building a Harley is expensive. > > This is a long low chopper for folks who don't need > one to compensate for . . . a shortage in other areas. Should we just search for yellow 250 ninja chopper on Ebay? :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 31 09:20:24 2006 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:20:08 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Chopper for sale on Ebay I tried that - I'm not seeing it... Anyone got the link? Perry On 7/30/06, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On 7/30/06, Leon Begeman wrote: > > My yellow Ninja 250 chopper is for sale. I'd love to > > keep it, but building a Harley is expensive. > > > > This is a long low chopper for folks who don't need > > one to compensate for . . . a shortage in other areas. > > Should we just search for yellow 250 ninja chopper on Ebay? > > :-) > > -- Wayne > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 31 09:51:20 2006 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Chopper for sale on Ebay To: DCCycles Item #170013650449 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170013650449 I pasted in the link that Ebay sent me. It seems that isn't the best option Leon. --- Perry Coleman wrote: > I tried that - I'm not seeing it... > > Anyone got the link? > > Perry > > On 7/30/06, Wayne Edelen > wrote: > > On 7/30/06, Leon Begeman > wrote: > > > My yellow Ninja 250 chopper is for sale. I'd > love to > > > keep it, but building a Harley is expensive. > > > > > > This is a long low chopper for folks who don't > need > > > one to compensate for . . . a shortage in other > areas. > > > > Should we just search for yellow 250 ninja chopper > on Ebay? > > > > :-) > > > > -- Wayne > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 10:44:46 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:44:27 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help diagnosing a bad clutch. My limited understanding is that wet-clutches are very durable. ________________________________ From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Subject: WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF A BAD CLUTCH? ou. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 11:45:50 2006 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:45:12 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 Yes, they are durable, but they do wear out and break. It would be nice if he asked a more specific question. "symptoms of a bad clutch"? Ok: "It doesn't work properly." Good enough? -- Mike B. At 8/2/2006 10:44 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > >This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help diagnosing a >bad clutch. My limited understanding is that wet-clutches are very >durable. >________________________________ > >From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:42 AM >To: Julian Halton >Subject: > > >WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF A >BAD CLUTCH? > >ou. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 11:56:29 2006 X-REPUTATION: None X-REMOTE-IP: 66.171.210.53 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,205,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="48956729:sNHT21320451" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:56:07 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: If the motor spins up but the bike doesn't accelerate when in gear he's got a bad clutch. New clutch plates and fewer burnouts. That was my solution anyways. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help diagnosing a bad clutch. My limited understanding is that wet-clutches are very durable. ________________________________ From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Subject: WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF A BAD CLUTCH? ou. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 12:24:51 2006 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:24:00 -0400 From: Skip Smith CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1631/Wed Aug 2 06:33:38 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean I shot him a mail, and he said that if he nails it it spools up and the the wheels catch up the the rpm's. and he can still wheelie at 6-7k, but over that it slips. first thing to check would be the clutch cable for proper adjustment. after that, it's the clutch. Hugh Caldwell wrote: > If the motor spins up but the bike doesn't accelerate when in gear he's > got a bad clutch. New clutch plates and fewer burnouts. That was my > solution anyways. > > Hugh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > GSXR-1000 > > > > This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help diagnosing a > bad clutch. My limited understanding is that wet-clutches are very > durable. > ________________________________ > > From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:42 AM > To: Julian Halton > Subject: > > > WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF A > BAD CLUTCH? > > ou. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 12:56:47 2006 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:56:36 -0400 From: Mike Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Don't forget to check the oil pressure. Low oil can cause problems too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 13:11:32 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:11:24 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: sabmag@XXXXXX, DCCycles Cc: "Jeff Conlin" Subject: [dc-cycles] Loud Pipes Small Penis t-shirt fundraiser spam From a local Maggot: Hey folks - I've been meaning to make these for a long time... http://www.cafepress.com/jeffconlin.68570793 Now I have. I know they're expensive, but the cafepress base price is already $19. The extra is going to a fund for my friend Zac who had an SUV cut him off at speed. He wound up being in a coma for a few days, and now has months if not years of rehab in front of him, all just weeks after his wife gave birth a daughter. Sob stories aside... wear this one to the next poker run and just smile. For a variety of reasons. Maybe see ya soon? -- Squirrel Bodymore, Murderland '05 Stella 150+ '04 V-Strom 650 Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 13:13:32 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:13:25 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Skip Smith" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I shot him a mail, and he said that if he nails it it spools up and the > the wheels catch up the the rpm's. and he can still wheelie at 6-7k, > but over that it slips. Sure sounds like a bad clutch. If it is, it will be more noticeable in higher gears than in lower ones. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 13:22:24 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:22:15 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 On 8/2/06, Skip Smith wrote: > I shot him a mail, and he said that if he nails it it spools up and the > the wheels catch up the the rpm's. and he can still wheelie at 6-7k, > but over that it slips. If that's his procedure for diagnosing, it's no wonder he has a bad clutch... I'd hate to be around him when he thought it was working right. :P --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 13:34:13 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:34:05 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "Carl Custer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Loud Pipes Small Penis t-shirt fundraiser spam Cc: sabmag@XXXXXX, DCCycles , "Jeff Conlin" More information on Zac and his accident: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152251 On 8/2/06, Carl Custer wrote: > From a local Maggot: > Hey folks - > I've been meaning to make these for a long time... > > http://www.cafepress.com/jeffconlin.68570793 > > Now I have. I know they're expensive, but the cafepress base price is > already $19. The extra is going to a fund for my friend Zac who had an > SUV cut him off at speed. He wound up being in a coma for a few days, > and now has months if not years of rehab in front of him, all just > weeks after his wife gave birth a daughter. > > Sob stories aside... wear this one to the next poker run and just > smile. For a variety of reasons. > Maybe see ya soon? > -- > Squirrel > Bodymore, Murderland > '05 Stella 150+ > '04 V-Strom 650 > > Carl in Bethesda > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 14:03:17 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 now Cornering school Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:03:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Skip Smith" Cc: Thanks for advising a fellow parking space sharer. I have yet to do a wheelie intentionally and don't really plan on it. I am thinking about the Keith Code Cornering school at VIR in September. Anyone here considering going? Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Skip Smith [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 I shot him a mail, and he said that if he nails it it spools up and the the wheels catch up the the rpm's. and he can still wheelie at 6-7k, but over that it slips. first thing to check would be the clutch cable for proper adjustment. after that, it's the clutch. Hugh Caldwell wrote: > If the motor spins up but the bike doesn't accelerate when in gear > he's got a bad clutch. New clutch plates and fewer burnouts. That was > my solution anyways. > > Hugh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > GSXR-1000 > > > > This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help diagnosing > a bad clutch. My limited understanding is that wet-clutches are very > durable. > ________________________________ > > From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:42 AM > To: Julian Halton > Subject: > > > WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF A > BAD CLUTCH? > > ou. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 15:02:42 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:00:54 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Don't give free rides (advisory) Pulled from another moto-site: Wife hits spouse's cycle, police say Wednesday, August 02, 2006 BY BARBARA MILLER Of Our Palmyra Bureau All it took was for Kelly Mae Rodriguez to see a 22-year-old woman riding on the back of her husband's motorcycle and Rodriguez made a U-turn on a Lebanon County highway, followed them and rammed the motorcycle, sending the two sprawling along the road, police said. "I never saw her coming," a witness said. "People were braking, they didn't know which way to go. She was getting around anybody." Rodriguez, 26, chased Edgardo Rodriguez, 32, of East Mifflin Street, Lebanon, and Rose Marie Padilla, 22, of Spruce Park, Lebanon, at speeds up to 100 mph as they headed south on Route 72 at 5:12 p.m. Monday, police said. '); } --> At Route 72 and Old Jonestown Road, Kelly Rodriguez forced another driver, Sandra Bachman, 43, of Cindy Drive, Lebanon, off the road, police said. When Edgardo Rodriguez and Padilla stopped for a red light, Kelly Rodriguez drove her Volkswagen Jetta into his Kawasaki Ninja, knocking the two to the ground, police said. Padilla was taken to Lebanon's Good Samaritan Hospital for treatment of her injuries and then released. Edgardo Rodriguez was unhurt. Police charged Kelly Mae Rodriguez with attempted homicide, recklessly endangering another person, and related charges. She was placed in the county prison in lieu of $250,000 bail. Edgardo Rodriguez told police that he was headed home from his job at Ingram-Micro in Lickdale. He said that he was giving a co-worker a lift home. As he headed south on Route 72, he passed his wife heading north and she made a U-turn to chase him, according to court records. As he slowed for stopped traffic near the Jonestown Road traffic signal, his motorcycle lurched forward and he was thrown into the tank and handlebars, and the bike fell onto its right side and slid, he said. Kelly Mae Rodriguez then came running across the road yelling and screaming at them and trying to hit Padilla, her husband said. Padilla said that after she slid on the ground, Kelly Rodriguez's car skidded by her on the gravel and almost ran over her. The next thing she knew, a woman came running toward her yelling, "I'm gonna kill you." -Matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 15:06:31 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:06:17 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone been out riding today? I rode at lunch and am preparing for my commute up to Bethesda but have a terrific head ache. I have been drinking water like a champ but it is hades out there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 16:54:12 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:53:58 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 now Cornering school Cc: "Skip Smith" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX How much is it? On 8/2/06, Julian Halton wrote: > Thanks for advising a fellow parking space sharer. I have yet to do a > wheelie intentionally and don't really plan on it. > I am thinking about the Keith Code Cornering school at VIR in September. > Anyone here considering going? > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Smith [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:24 PM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > GSXR-1000 > > I shot him a mail, and he said that if he nails it it spools up and the > the wheels catch up the the rpm's. and he can still wheelie at 6-7k, > but over that it slips. > > first thing to check would be the clutch cable for proper adjustment. > after that, it's the clutch. > > > > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > If the motor spins up but the bike doesn't accelerate when in gear > > he's got a bad clutch. New clutch plates and fewer burnouts. That was > > my solution anyways. > > > > Hugh > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:00 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > > GSXR-1000 > > > > > > > > This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help diagnosing > > a bad clutch. My limited understanding is that wet-clutches are very > > durable. > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:42 AM > > To: Julian Halton > > Subject: > > > > > > WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF A > > BAD CLUTCH? > > > > ou. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 17:04:37 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:04:29 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Don't give free rides (advisory) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well that's one way to get rid of your wife... I wonder how this will affect his insurance.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 17:54:42 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:54:23 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? Well, a years-long cozy relationship with Markel may come to an end: Seems their liability coverage limits are being reduced (60-day notice received). It would be just my luck to run over a pro punter's foot, so have talked with GEICO, the only other DC mc-insurer I've easily found. They have the limits (and lower premiums, Tom said, cheaply). (Anybody remember Tom Swifties? Look it up.) While I've not seen outright bile toward G..., I thought I'd check for any major negs before signing up. Anybody party to major dissatisfaction? Does Little Richard get paid from the customer service budget? Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Change is constant Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 18:27:40 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:27:32 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795cb1d84c6062505fa54fea8edd6857d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c (Anybody remember Tom Swifties? [Dave] No. Look it up.) [Dave] pretty sharp, I'll put bluntly... While I've not seen outright bile toward G..., I thought I'd check for any major negs before signing up. Anybody party to major dissatisfaction? [Dave] Raises hand... Pick me, pick me! I've had 3 negative Geico experiences going back to the beginning. There's the whole radar detector interrogation - don't know if they still do this, but admitted possession = higher rates or dropped policy. Had a Geico repair that they insisted on a cheap replacement part for. They wouldn't budge, and wouldn't you know - it wouldn't fit. So, net result - out of service for an extra 10 days while part procured, matched paint and installed. Then once, at band camp... Ok, not there, but those f*ckers cancelled my policy when I took a plea in PG Co. for some minor BS charge like seat belt or something but I paid a $120 fine. At the time, this was high, but it was zero points. G. apparently couldn't see the _actual_ conviction, and made an assumption it was either drag racing or fleeing. Actually, the MD state insurance board got an appeal and G. reversed the policy drop. That gave me the time to find other insurance and FIRE them and their fucking lizard spokesman... Actually, that was before the lizard but who's counting. Does Little Richard get paid from the customer service budget? [Dave] I don't know, but I'd like to find out what that little Gecko tastes like al fresco, with some fava beans and a nice Chianti... Avoid the G if at all possible. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 18:40:24 2006 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:40:11 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? To: "DC-Cycles" At 05:54 PM 8/2/2006, W.S. wrote: >Well, a years-long cozy relationship with Markel may come to an end: Seems >their liability coverage limits are being reduced (60-day notice received). >It would be just my luck to run over a pro punter's foot, so have talked >with GEICO, the only other DC mc-insurer I've easily found. They have the >limits (and lower premiums, Tom said, cheaply). (Anybody remember Tom >Swifties? Look it up.) > >While I've not seen outright bile toward G..., I thought I'd check for any >major negs before signing up. Anybody party to major dissatisfaction? Does >Little Richard get paid from the customer service budget? holy moly..it must of been a long day for me. I feel like I need a freakin' translator to figure you what you just asked. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 18:49:59 2006 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:49:52 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "W.S." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? Cc: DC-Cycles My friend lives in DC and has or had state farm. I'll shoot him an email to see what insurance agents he knows of. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 19:32:55 2006 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:32:44 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? Based on feedback from the list a couple of months ago, I checked out rates from both State Farm and GEICO. SF was less expensive than GEICO (and so much less expensive than my previous auto carrier that when I switched to SF, my new total premium for auto and bike was less than my previous premium for auto only!). I had also gotten a lot of good feedback re claims experience with SF, so the choice was a no-brainer. Email me off-list if you'd like the name of my new SF broker, who treated me well. Dave ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenstein@XXXXXX 67 Jaguar E-Type OTS S1 71 Ford F-100 Styleside 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville 00 Aprilia Scarabeo 50 scooter 04 Yamaha TT-R250 offroad 06 Ducati Monster S2R1000 Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= > From: "W.S." > To: "DC-Cycles" > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:54:23 -0400 > Subject: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? > > Well, a years-long cozy relationship with Markel may come to an end: Seems > their liability coverage limits are being reduced (60-day notice received). > It would be just my luck to run over a pro punter's foot, so have talked > with GEICO, the only other DC mc-insurer I've easily found. They have the > limits (and lower premiums, Tom said, cheaply). (Anybody remember Tom > Swifties? Look it up.) > > While I've not seen outright bile toward G..., I thought I'd check for any > major negs before signing up. Anybody party to major dissatisfaction? Does > Little Richard get paid from the customer service budget? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 20:49:44 2006 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:49:23 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: GEICO in DC? Sorry. A little too much tube for me, I 'spose, in this heat. Little Richard is one of the celebrities G. is using in its newest off-the-wall TV campaigns. Surely they cost at least moderate bucks and one wonders how much that pulls from operations. Aki Damme adamme@XXXXXX opined: At 05:54 PM 8/2/2006, W.S. wrote: . . .snip >While I've not seen outright bile toward G..., I thought I'd check for >any major negs before signing up. Anybody party to major >dissatisfaction? Does Little Richard get paid from the customer service budget? holy moly..it must of been a long day for me. I feel like I need a freakin' translator to figure you what you just asked. -aki Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > I try to stay away from walls Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 21:37:27 2006 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:37:19 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: GEICO in DC? To: "W.S." , "DC-Cycles" At 08:49 PM 8/2/2006, W.S. wrote: >Sorry. A little too much tube for me, I 'spose, in this heat. Little >Richard is one of the celebrities G. is using in its newest off-the-wall TV >campaigns. Surely they cost at least moderate bucks and one wonders how >much that pulls from operations. > LOL..ok..it's just been a LONG week... -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 22:48:22 2006 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:40:00 -0400 To: "W.S." , "DC-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? At 8/2/2006 05:54 PM, W.S. wrote: >While I've not seen outright bile toward G..., I thought I'd check for any >major negs before signing up. Anybody party to major dissatisfaction? Does >Little Richard get paid from the customer service budget? I had them about 20 years ago on my car...they did ok, but I won't use them since they spent so much money lobbying for helmet laws. I'm not going to subsidize expansion of government power in dangerous directions like that. What's next, fining fat people? They should stick to insurance, and if they have extra cash lying around, lower their premiums, not give money to politicians. Note that I wear a helmet and think riding without one is stupid. I just think that helmet laws are evil. -- Mike B. -- For every action, there is an equal and opposite government program. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 2 23:53:26 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone been out riding today? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:53:13 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Julian Halton" > > I rode at lunch and am preparing for my commute up to Bethesda but have > a terrific head ache. I have been drinking water like a champ but it is > hades out there. Yea, I did. and yes it was. On the road at noon, 3:00, 4:00 and 10. Hell it was still to hot to enjoy riding on the way home at 10pm. -- John Walters 99 Honda St1100 83 BMW R80RT (Over 200,000 mi.) 76 Honda CR250M From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 06:30:50 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:30:33 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Matthew Harrell X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) X-Primary-Address: mharrell@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Anyone been out riding today? > I rode at lunch and am preparing for my commute up to Bethesda but have > a terrific head ache. I have been drinking water like a champ but it is > hades out there. I've ridden every day this week so far and I just keep praying there isn't an accident that forces me to stop and sit for long in traffic. It was even slightly uncomfortable this morning at 6am when it's 80 degrees outside with all that humidity. My wife said there was a Jimmy Buffet concert out at Nissan Pavilion tonight so I'll have to take some back roads to avoid all the traffic jams those generally cause -- Matthew Harrell I used to have a handle on life, Bit Twiddlers, Inc. then it broke. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 07:19:44 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 04:19:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX And I got several stories too. Geico sux. Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > (Anybody remember Tom > Swifties? > > [Dave] No. > > Look it up.) > > [Dave] pretty sharp, I'll put bluntly... > > > While I've not seen outright bile toward G..., I > thought I'd check for any > major negs before signing up. Anybody party to > major dissatisfaction? > > > [Dave] Raises hand... Pick me, pick me! > > I've had 3 negative Geico experiences going back to > the beginning. There's > the whole radar detector interrogation - don't know > if they still do this, > but admitted possession = higher rates or dropped > policy. Had a Geico > repair that they insisted on a cheap replacement > part for. They wouldn't > budge, and wouldn't you know - it wouldn't fit. So, > net result - out of > service for an extra 10 days while part procured, > matched paint and > installed. Then once, at band camp... Ok, not > there, but those f*ckers > cancelled my policy when I took a plea in PG Co. for > some minor BS charge > like seat belt or something but I paid a $120 fine. > At the time, this was > high, but it was zero points. G. apparently > couldn't see the _actual_ > conviction, and made an assumption it was either > drag racing or fleeing. > Actually, the MD state insurance board got an appeal > and G. reversed the > policy drop. That gave me the time to find other > insurance and FIRE them > and their fucking lizard spokesman... Actually, > that was before the lizard > but who's counting. > > Does > Little Richard get paid from the customer service > budget? > > [Dave] I don't know, but I'd like to find out what > that little Gecko tastes > like al fresco, with some fava beans and a nice > Chianti... > > Avoid the G if at all possible. > > Dave > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 07:36:28 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:36:20 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? I thought auto insurance companies didn't want helmet laws so they wouldn't have to pay out because of a higher fatality rate and lower claim rate (dead people can't make claims)? could of swore i read someone making that arguement on the list a year or two ago. I just saw that little richard comercial.. speaking of dead people, he looks like a body in a casket that the mortician put too much make up on to reconstruct his head. very creepy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 07:54:05 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:53:56 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? me I feel like a prisoner in my own home... I get a few minutes out in the yard heat before I have to go back inside to serve more hours in the a/c. the other day i saw someone wiht a bandana on their neck looked like they had ice packed against the back of their neck. Reminded me of a tip that leon the great posted years ago. How many of you are doing the wet t shirt thing? or what else do you do? just wear lighter gear? Hell my cages a/c doesn't work so I wet my clothes just to go outside and or drive places LOL I'm about to go do some bikework now in hte shade and call it a day when the shade fades and the temps go up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 07:58:19 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:58:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone been out riding today? ------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Julian Halton" > > I rode at lunch and am preparing for my commute up to Bethesda but have > a terrific head ache. I have been drinking water like a champ but it is > hades out there. John wrote: Yea, I did. and yes it was. On the road at noon, 3:00, 4:00 and 10. Hell it was still to hot to enjoy riding on the way home at 10pm. [Dave] I confess, new bike notwithstanding, my commute involves too much stop and go to make the 10 miles without risk of dehydration. So I rode Monday, but caged it the last 3 trips...Unfortunately every route home involves an interstate exit that I have to pass, so I have to put up with all the non-driving, finger wagging, cell yakking carpetbaggers from north of the Potomac. ;-) Not that my cohorts from south of the Potomac are any better breed of driver mind you, it'd just be less crowded if we could all stay on our respective sides of the water... I have to admit, the first 2 days back in the cage - even in my Lightning felt like everything was in slow motion. Plus they lean the wrong way. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 08:15:27 2006 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:13:47 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone been out riding today? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1634/Wed Aug 2 18:32:49 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean yep... I've ridden every day this week. Julian Halton wrote: > > > I rode at lunch and am preparing for my commute up to Bethesda but have > a terrific head ache. I have been drinking water like a champ but it is > hades out there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 08:18:08 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 now Cornering school Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:17:56 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Danny Motorcycle" Cc: "Skip Smith" , 420.00 with your own bike....620 with theirs plus they provide leathers. Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: Skip Smith; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 now Cornering school How much is it? On 8/2/06, Julian Halton wrote: > Thanks for advising a fellow parking space sharer. I have yet to do a > wheelie intentionally and don't really plan on it. > I am thinking about the Keith Code Cornering school at VIR in September. > Anyone here considering going? > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Smith [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:24 PM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > GSXR-1000 > > I shot him a mail, and he said that if he nails it it spools up and > the the wheels catch up the the rpm's. and he can still wheelie at > 6-7k, but over that it slips. > > first thing to check would be the clutch cable for proper adjustment. > after that, it's the clutch. > > > > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > If the motor spins up but the bike doesn't accelerate when in gear > > he's got a bad clutch. New clutch plates and fewer burnouts. That > > was my solution anyways. > > > > Hugh > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:00 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > > GSXR-1000 > > > > > > > > This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help > > diagnosing a bad clutch. My limited understanding is that > > wet-clutches are very durable. > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:42 AM > > To: Julian Halton > > Subject: > > > > > > WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF > > A BAD CLUTCH? > > > > ou. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 08:24:28 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:24:20 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? On 8/3/06, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > or what else do you do? just wear lighter gear? I haven't ridden in a few days, but I'm still wearing my black Vanson leathers when I do ride. :-o I was out for about 3hrs in ~90 deg heat the other day, I just stopped a few times for water along the way. I am going to pick up a camelback and fill it with ice if I ride tonight. I was at Sports Authority filling my 9oz CO2 bottle for my airshifter and they had the camelbacks for around $25, IIRC. > Hell my cages a/c doesn't work so I wet my clothes just to go outside > and or drive places LOL I'm about to go do some bikework now in hte > shade and call it a day when the shade fades and the temps go up. Illegally tinted windows + AC cranked on MAX when I'm in the cars/truck :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 08:30:43 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:30:34 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? Keeping above 2,000 meters of altitude helped a lot last month. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 08:38:07 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:37:58 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 now Cornering school Cc: "Skip Smith" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX So if you provide your own bike you need your own leathers too? also if you wad up their bike, you're still liable to pay for it i guess? On 8/3/06, Julian Halton wrote: > 420.00 with your own bike....620 with theirs plus they provide leathers. > > > > Julian Halton > Group Logic > julian@XXXXXX > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:54 PM > To: Julian Halton > Cc: Skip Smith; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > GSXR-1000 now Cornering school > > How much is it? > > > > On 8/2/06, Julian Halton wrote: > > Thanks for advising a fellow parking space sharer. I have yet to do a > > wheelie intentionally and don't really plan on it. > > I am thinking about the Keith Code Cornering school at VIR in > September. > > Anyone here considering going? > > > > > > Julian Halton > > Group Logic > > julian@XXXXXX > > 703.527.7979 x 2338 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Skip Smith [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:24 PM > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > > GSXR-1000 > > > > I shot him a mail, and he said that if he nails it it spools up and > > the the wheels catch up the the rpm's. and he can still wheelie at > > 6-7k, but over that it slips. > > > > first thing to check would be the clutch cable for proper adjustment. > > after that, it's the clutch. > > > > > > > > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > If the motor spins up but the bike doesn't accelerate when in gear > > > he's got a bad clutch. New clutch plates and fewer burnouts. That > > > was my solution anyways. > > > > > > Hugh > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:00 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 > > > GSXR-1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help > > > diagnosing a bad clutch. My limited understanding is that > > > wet-clutches are very durable. > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:42 AM > > > To: Julian Halton > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF > > > A BAD CLUTCH? > > > > > > ou. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 08:55:07 2006 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] now Cornering school Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:12 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX How about looking it up instead of posting guesses? www.superbikeschool.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Julian Halton" Cc: "Skip Smith" ; Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 GSXR-1000 now Cornering school > So if you provide your own bike you need your own leathers too? > also if you wad up their bike, you're still liable to pay for it i guess? > > On 8/3/06, Julian Halton wrote: >> 420.00 with your own bike....620 with theirs plus they provide leathers. >> >> >> >> Julian Halton >> Group Logic >> julian@XXXXXX >> 703.527.7979 x 2338 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:54 PM >> To: Julian Halton >> Cc: Skip Smith; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 >> GSXR-1000 now Cornering school >> >> How much is it? >> >> >> >> On 8/2/06, Julian Halton wrote: >> > Thanks for advising a fellow parking space sharer. I have yet to do a >> > wheelie intentionally and don't really plan on it. >> > I am thinking about the Keith Code Cornering school at VIR in >> September. >> > Anyone here considering going? >> > >> > >> > Julian Halton >> > Group Logic >> > julian@XXXXXX >> > 703.527.7979 x 2338 >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Skip Smith [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:24 PM >> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 >> > GSXR-1000 >> > >> > I shot him a mail, and he said that if he nails it it spools up and >> > the the wheels catch up the the rpm's. and he can still wheelie at >> > 6-7k, but over that it slips. >> > >> > first thing to check would be the clutch cable for proper adjustment. >> > after that, it's the clutch. >> > >> > >> > >> > Hugh Caldwell wrote: >> > > If the motor spins up but the bike doesn't accelerate when in gear >> > > he's got a bad clutch. New clutch plates and fewer burnouts. That >> > > was my solution anyways. >> > > >> > > Hugh >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] >> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:00 AM >> > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > > Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone care to take a try - this is a 2003 >> > > GSXR-1000 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > This gentleman parks in my building and is asking for help >> > > diagnosing a bad clutch. My limited understanding is that >> > > wet-clutches are very durable. >> > > ________________________________ >> > > >> > > From: Lamont Holmes [mailto:LHOLMES@XXXXXX] >> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:42 AM >> > > To: Julian Halton >> > > Subject: >> > > >> > > >> > > WHATS UP? ITS LAMONT WITH THE RED GSXR. DO YOU KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF >> > > A BAD CLUTCH? >> > > >> > > ou. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 09:37:50 2006 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:36:55 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1634/Wed Aug 2 18:32:49 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean keeping cool? ha! you're funny. when i pull up to a light, I turn the bike off. that seems to keep if from getting overly hot. Michael Jordan wrote: > Keeping above 2,000 meters of altitude helped a lot last month. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 09:46:01 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:45:50 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't ride to work anymore. I walk to work--up a flight of steps. Anyway, I do ride to meet clients. It's not too bad, as long as you're moving. When it gets above 90 degrees or you realize that every cage in the road is a heat island, ick. Around town, I wear the Joe Rocket Phoenix setup. On the road, I either don the Vanson leathers or the Motoport Ultra II. It was pretty comfortable on the ride to Luray, Va. last Saturday to meet some potential clients. Everyone needs clients in Luray, just off 211. :) Mr. Jordan tried altitude, I'm going to try latitude. Leaving in a couple of weeks to ride around the north side of Lake Huron and Lake Superior, on my way to the Twin Cities. With the obligatory stop in Duluth to genuflect at the Aerostich altar, naturally. On 8/3/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > Keeping above 2,000 meters of altitude helped a lot last month. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 09:57:02 2006 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:49:49 -0400 To: Matthew Harrell , DC Cycles List From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Anyone been out riding today? At 8/3/2006 06:30 AM, Matthew Harrell wrote: > > I have been drinking water like a champ but it is > > hades out there. > >I've ridden every day this week so far and I just keep praying there isn't >an accident that forces me to stop and sit for long in traffic. Saw this on another list: from the Washington Post Style section.... URGENT WEATHER MESSAGE STYLE WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC 1140 PM EDT TUE AUG 1 2006 ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EDT THURSDAY... VERY HOT CONTINENTAL AIR MASS FROM THE PLAINS WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD SLOWLY TO THE EAST ...EXPECT CONDITIONS TO BE HOT. DAMN HOT. JUNGLE HOT. SATAN-IN-A-SPEEDO HOT. ANGRY-GOD HOT. PETS MAY OPENLY CURSE. PEDESTRIANS MAY COMBUST. HAVE A NICE DAY. -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 10:09:53 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX granted I'm only out there for 45min or so but I don't think it's that hot. Oklahoma (109 in the shade) was hot. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 10:14:35 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:14:28 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? > Mr. Jordan tried altitude, I'm going to try latitude. Did that, too (about 46-47 degrees north (think Quebec)) Temps around 90F at the bottom of the hill and around 45F at the top of some of 'em - snow still on the ground. Have a good ride. Duluth is on my list of places to get to. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 10:42:59 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:42:50 -0400 From: "Radio Waves" To: "Michael Jordan" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? Cc: DCCycles On 8/3/06, Michael Jordan wrote: > Temps around 90F at the bottom of the hill and around 45F at the top > of some of 'em - snow still on the ground. It's that 90F at the bottom that's a bitch. Going to post a trip report for those of us stuck here this year? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 11:09:22 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:09:11 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Anyone been out riding today? I'm riding back and froth from Alexandria to the pro tournament at the tennis stadium in Rock Creek Park all this week. This also includes sitting out in the sun all afternoon and evening scoring the matches, so the heat really isn't bothering me much during the ride. But then, I'm also riding in just my helmet, gloves, and tennis gear. Riding home at 1 am or later is interesting. First, there's the sheer terror of cruising down Rock Creek Parkway watching out for the hordes of deer. Then you go by the Watergate, Kennedy Center, across Memorial Bridge, past all the monuments, and past National Airport down the GW to Alexandria -- it's cooler then, and so beautiful, with little traffic, it makes you realize what an extraordinary place DC is. Despite the heat, this is my favorite week of the year. It sure beats working. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 11:18:58 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:18:51 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? > It's that 90F at the bottom that's a bitch. Going to post a trip > report for those of us stuck here this year? I could probably assemble enough coherent thoughts to do that. Gas at $6.70/gallon, BTW (€1.40/liter at $1.27/€). I was going through a tank a day (BMW R1200GS) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 11:20:36 2006 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:18:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone been out riding today? To: skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: skip >Date: 2006/08/03 Thu AM 07:13:47 CDT >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone been out riding today? >yep... I've ridden every day this week. > >Julian Halton wrote: >> >> >> I rode at lunch and am preparing for my commute up to Bethesda but have >> a terrific head ache. I have been drinking water like a champ but it is >> hades out there. you all are better men and ladies than me. No, wait..that didn't come out right. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 11:36:17 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CamelBack... works pretty well, when I remember to bring it. Riding everyday. I have been a bad boy, I've been wearing boots and gloves most of the time no jacket... esp in the afternoons. On longer rides I'd wear gear, so I can keep the sweat, it provides better cooling. Some of the guys at St-owners like these: http://www.newenoughmx.com/ti_cooling_vest_page.htm and this can be found at walmart for $12... ( not $30).. http://www.mistymate.com/mmp10.html Tom de ----- Original Message ---- From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? me I feel like a prisoner in my own home... I get a few minutes out in the yard heat before I have to go back inside to serve more hours in the a/c. the other day i saw someone wiht a bandana on their neck looked like they had ice packed against the back of their neck. Reminded me of a tip that leon the great posted years ago. How many of you are doing the wet t shirt thing? or what else do you do? just wear lighter gear? Hell my cages a/c doesn't work so I wet my clothes just to go outside and or drive places LOL I'm about to go do some bikework now in hte shade and call it a day when the shade fades and the temps go up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 12:29:56 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:29:44 -0400 From: "James G" To: "David Lowenstein" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I tried moving to SF from Geico in DC, but couldn't. They will only insure your bike if you also own an auto. That's a really odd policy, but I'm not one to selflessly cut red tape. So, Geico it is. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 13:16:00 2006 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:15:36 -0400 From: "Steve McCollom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? To: I went for a ride out west, got back last week. It was 106F in a few places, but it's dry heat. :-) I'm guessing it was about 55F at the top of Beartooth Pass. Pics are here: http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87589 Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 14:05:23 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:05:15 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "James G" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] GEICO in DC? Cc: "David Lowenstein" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bingo: therein lies the rub. I do own a cage and went through the same rigmarole with State Farm too. Bike premium was very attractive, but they would not write a policy unless I switched my auto insurance too. They wanted more for the cage than I was paying at the time, so the whole thing was for naught. :\ On 8/3/06, James G wrote: > I tried moving to SF from Geico in DC, but couldn't. They will only > insure your bike if you also own an auto. That's a really odd policy, > but I'm not one to selflessly cut red tape. So, Geico it is. > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 14:29:12 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:29:06 -0400 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Steve McCollom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Nice trip and on a Nighthawk, too. My first bike. The "dry heat" thing only gets you so far. I stopped for lunch in Walsenburg, Colo. a few years back. It was well over 100 that day. Came back out to ride away and the seat was almost too hot to sit on, even through my riding gear. Reason # 4135 not to ride in shorts. Two years ago I froze my butt off riding through Mont. and Wyo. in late June. You never can tell out that way. On 8/3/06, Steve McCollom wrote: > I went for a ride out west, got back last week. It was 106F in a few > places, but it's dry heat. :-) I'm guessing it was about 55F at the top of > Beartooth Pass. > > Pics are here: > > http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87589 > > > Steve > > > -- Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 15:26:14 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:26:05 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Bruce N" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] now Cornering school Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sorry I guess it's too much to assume he probably already knew the info off the top of his head and to trust his word? It is after all easier then google and sifting through the webpages, wasting time researching the same info someone I trust, probably has already done. Oh wait this post started otu with a guess. sorry! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 15:35:14 2006 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:35:05 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Anyone been out riding today? Cc: "Matthew Harrell" , "DC Cycles List" On 8/3/06, Mike B. wrote: > Saw this on another list: > > from the Washington Post Style section.... > > URGENT WEATHER MESSAGE ROTFL that was hilarious. [his name in vain expletive delted] I rode from owingsmills to arlington, with a run out of gas pit stop, luckily it restarted twice enough to get me to coast into a gas station and stop at the pump! whew! thankyou Jman!. Man it was HOOOOOOOOT. The tank was hot, the handlebar was hot through my leather glove, and right above my riding boot at my shin it was hot. The wind blowing on my chest htrough my underarmor shirt was hot too. I didn't think ti would be that hot or i would have wet my shirt. So on this ride home i said... this is going to be a long ride home...Then I said to myself... self.. would you rather baby it and keep it a long ride home... or would you rather get home as soon as possible... and i got home as soon as possible (minus stupid tripple digit lane spitting antics or shoulder hitting antics)... and it was still hot at tripple digits. the ride home sucked. hell even drinking the cold water at home made me feel funny.. wha'ts up with that? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 16:12:28 2006 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:12:13 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <20060803201213.GA13142@XXXXXX> Resent-To: DC Cycles List Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:11:39 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: Danny Motorcycle Resent-From: Matthew Harrell X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) X-Primary-Address: mharrell@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Anyone been out riding today? > Man it was HOOOOOOOOT. The tank was hot, the handlebar was hot > through my leather glove, and right above my riding boot at my shin it > was hot. The wind blowing on my chest htrough my underarmor shirt was > hot too. I didn't think ti would be that hot or i would have wet my > shirt. So on this ride home i said... this is going to be a > long ride home...Then I said to myself... self.. would you rather baby > it and keep it a long ride home... or would you rather get home as > soon as possible... and i got home as soon as possible (minus stupid > tripple digit lane spitting antics or shoulder hitting antics)... and > it was still hot at tripple digits. the ride home sucked. hell even > drinking the cold water at home made me feel funny.. wha'ts up with > that? Wow. Sounds like I had a good time, then. I just drank a lot of water throughout work today and had no real problems going home. Didn't really do any special preparations for the heat - just rode with the vents on my leather jacket open and it zipped halfway down. Guess it helps that I only have a few lights and a couple stops on the 30 mile trip and only two of those are left hand turn lights that take a while to get through. The wind was rather hot and the VFR outside temp gauge read the highest I've ever seen while I was moving - 107 -- Matthew Harrell Do not meddle in the affairs of cats Bit Twiddlers, Inc. for they are subtle and will piss mharrell@XXXXXX on your computer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 3 21:19:01 2006 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:17:13 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1634/Wed Aug 2 18:32:49 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [dc-cycles] heh http://www.cafepress.com/jeffconlin.68570793 proceeds benefit a downed rider. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 00:05:25 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone been out riding today? Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:05:13 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 One would think that it would violate the laws of thermodynamics for and engine to continue running when the temperature _inside_ the combustion chamber was lower then the temperature of the air outside the combustion chamber. There may be a Nobel Prize in it if I can figure out how my bike kept running yesterday and today. But then again maybe it just feels that hot. -- Unbelievably a goldfish can kill a gorilla. However it does require a substantial element of surprise (George Carlin.) John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 00:26:22 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Anyone been out riding today? Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:26:09 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Danny Motorcycle" motorpsychol@XXXXXX > I didn't think ti would be that hot or i would have wet my > shirt I usually wet my outer shirt on hot days but when I did it the other day it was like I had coated the shirt is some sort of sealer, the water did not evaporate to provide any cooling, it just stopped the air from moving through. So I just rode dry yesterday and today. (not that I was dry mind you.) I RODE THROUGH RAIN ON THE WAY HOME TONIGHT!!!!!!!! Good lord that felt good! (Saw on the news after I got home that it was just a tiny little pop up shower that I got lucky and rode through. Maybe I should run out and buy a lottery ticket? Naw too hot.) -- John W. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 03:40:20 2006 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 03:40:08 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "penguinbiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Anyone been out riding today? Cc: "B-DC cycles" someone posted on anothner forumn "at lest it's not rainging" and a coulpe of us responded we'd rather ride in the rain than this heat. Man i saw the lightening and heard the thunder. rolled up all the vehicle windows and put away stuff.. and never saw a drop. that sucks! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 08:50:41 2006 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:50:26 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: DCCycles Cc: "=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93Tom_De_Boeser=94?=" , "Michael Jordan" , "=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93Skip_Smith=94?=" , "Steve McCollom" Subject: [dc-cycles] so how are you keeping cool riding? Michael Jabbered: "Keeping above 2,000 meters of altitude helped a lot last month." [Carl]: Nice. Coming back from Tellico Plains Monday, four of us took the Cherohala and BRP up until about 2:00. Then hunger and the Non-St's lack of fuel lured us down Rt 43's switchbacks to Buchanan. Filled with fuel and lunch at the North Star we decided hot I-81 would get us home at a reasonable time for work the next day. :^( Tom De Boasted: CamelBack... works pretty well, when I remember to bring it. Riding everyday. I have been a bad boy, I've been wearing boots and gloves most of the time no jacket... esp in the afternoons. On longer rides I'd wear gear, so I can keep the sweat, it provides better cooling. Some of the guys at St-owners like these: http://www.newenoughmx.com/ti_cooling_vest_page.htm [Carl]: Bob from Boston had a shirt with water tubes running through it. It was hooked up to a small ice chest with a stepping-motor driven pump. When the water exiting his shirt cooled down to a set point, the pump would slow (& vice-versa). Nice setup. IIRC the shirt coast ~$160 and the ice chest/pump was ~$70. The rest of us had either the gel filled bandanas, wet tee, shirts or sweat. I don't look purdy in a wet tee shirt, but walking through an air conditioned rest stop, it felt sooo good my nipples got hard =8^O Skip Said, "when i pull up to a light, I turn the bike off. that seems to keep if from getting overly hot." [Carl]: Yup, Pull up cut the engine, flip up the Nolan, and try to appear calmly cool while sweat trickles down my back. Jordan Mentioned: "Gas at $6.70/gallon, BTW (€1.40/liter at $1.27/€). I was going through a tank a day (BMW R1200GS)" [Carl]: Ay carumba! Last month, Gasolina in España topped out at only €1.15/liter (en Madrid) T'was down to €1.03 out in Navarra. McCollom Said, "I went for a ride out west, got back last week. It was 106F in a few places, but it's dry heat. :-) I'm guessing it was about 55F at the top of Beartooth Pass. Pics are here: http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87589 [Carl]: Great pictures but I particularly liked the one of four corners with the souvenir shop in the background. Something you don't see in the books. Carl in Bethesda Life's Cycle I think the life cycle is all backwards. You should start out dead and get it out of the way. Then, you wake up in an old age home feeling better every day. You get kicked out for being too healthy; go collect your pension, then when you start work, you get a gold watch on your first day. You work 40 years until you're young enough to enjoy your retirement. You drink alcohol, you party, you're generally promiscuous and you get ready for High School. You go to primary school, you become a kid, you play, you have no responsibilities, you become a baby, and then... You spend your last 9 months floating peacefully in luxury, in spa-like conditions; central heating, room service on tap, larger quarters every day, ..... and then, you finish off as an orgasm. I rest my case From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 09:56:43 2006 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:56:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh To: skip , DC Cycles >From: skip >Date: 2006/08/03 Thu PM 08:17:13 CDT >To: DC Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] heh >http://www.cafepress.com/jeffconlin.68570793 > >proceeds benefit a downed rider. I hope that includes the obnoxious bee hive crotch rockets racing by at 3am around here. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 10:03:47 2006 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:02:56 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: adamme@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1634/Wed Aug 2 18:32:49 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean absolutely! adamme@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: skip >> Date: 2006/08/03 Thu PM 08:17:13 CDT >> To: DC Cycles >> Subject: [dc-cycles] heh > >> http://www.cafepress.com/jeffconlin.68570793 >> >> proceeds benefit a downed rider. > > I hope that includes the obnoxious bee hive > crotch rockets racing by at 3am around here. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 10:34:20 2006 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:34:12 -0400 From: "Wayne Edelen" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh On 8/4/06, adamme@XXXXXX wrote: > >From: skip > >Date: 2006/08/03 Thu PM 08:17:13 CDT > >To: DC Cycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] heh > > >http://www.cafepress.com/jeffconlin.68570793 > > > >proceeds benefit a downed rider. > > I hope that includes the obnoxious bee hive > crotch rockets racing by at 3am around here. A buddy of mine rides his 2005 GSXR1000 with no pipe. It is the most obnoxious sound you can imagine. I make him ride behind me (he can't pass me ;-) ) when we're out because it's so fucking loud. It's right up there with the Hardleys and their straight pipes. :-( -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 10:48:30 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:48:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh -- Wayne indicated: A buddy of mine rides his 2005 GSXR1000 with no pipe. It is the most obnoxious sound you can imagine. I make him ride behind me (he can't pass me ;-) ) when we're out because it's so fucking loud. It's right up there with the Hardleys and their straight pipes. :-( [Dave] Is it time for the loud pipes debate again? I thought that was for September... I hear you (no pun intended). I used to have a neighbor that got into motorcycling within the last year. He got an 883 HD. He's into loud, has a 750hp Cobra, and there are mufflers, but they're not quite effective. Rather than actually learn to ride the bike first, within a month he had open pipes, which probably sucked up a full 10 rwhp below 5k rpms, so immediately after install he had whacked his usable power by an easy 10 hp, meaning he needed that much more throttle to get out of the neighborhood. :-/ Not so strangely enough, he's always saying "Huh?" Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 11:35:49 2006 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:35:29 -0400 From: Mike Troutman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Wayne's buddy and Dave's neighbor should get together and compare wangs. No pipe at all - and we can wonder aloud why the public wants to ban motorcycles from certain areas. Thanks. Dave Yates wrote: > -- Wayne indicated: > > A buddy of mine rides his 2005 GSXR1000 with no pipe. It is the most > obnoxious sound you can imagine. I make him ride behind me (he can't > pass me ;-) ) when we're out because it's so fucking loud. > > It's right up there with the Hardleys and their straight pipes. :-( > > [Dave] > > Is it time for the loud pipes debate again? I thought that was for September... > > I hear you (no pun intended). I used to have a neighbor that got into motorcycling within the last year. He got an 883 HD. He's into loud, has a 750hp Cobra, and there are mufflers, but they're not quite effective. Rather than actually learn to ride the bike first, within a month he had open pipes, which probably sucked up a full 10 rwhp below 5k rpms, so immediately after install he had whacked his usable power by an easy 10 hp, meaning he needed that much more throttle to get out of the neighborhood. :-/ > > Not so strangely enough, he's always saying "Huh?" > > Dave -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 13:58:51 2006 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:58:38 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... Let me warn everyone right off the bat... this is probably going to be long, contain a rant or two and will most likely offend any drivers who are the usual Northern VA fooktards in this hell we call suburbia. If that bothers you, just go ahead and hit your delete button now. So, I'm driving my Jeep from my morning coffee shop to the optometrists so I can snag some new contacts. It's about 8:00 am, smack dab in morning idiot driving time on Braddock Road. Traffic is bumper to bumper and 95% of the bumpers surround cell phone yacking idiots. I'm behind a little import car. I didn't leave as much room between us as I would have on the bike, but it's a fair bit more than the usual N. Va "No one is getting in front of ME" mentality normally allows. The two cars behind me are subscribing to the above mentality. I'm just about to go through a green light when it turns yellow. Not only could I have made it, but the two cars behind me could have made it as well. The chick in front of me, however, obviously came to a different conclusion on the matter. She slams on the brakes. We're talking "skid marks and smoke" brake usage here. I'm sure she'd managed to come to a complete stop while the light was still yellow. Maybe not totally "illegal" of her (although that's debatable) but damned asinine to say the least. I had been doing my usual driving routine: constant scanning, checking mirrors, etc... All the defensive stuff I do out of habit when riding the bike, due to being absolutely convinced that everyone around me is a total idiot. I hit the brakes and know that I have plenty of room to safely stop without locking anything up. The other chick behind me, however... She oh-so-gentle touches the brake pedal with her delicate little footie. In spite of the fact that I've almost come to a complete stop and there's maybe six feet between us now. I immediately steer off the road, over the curb and between a concrete wall and a "stop here on red" street sign... Looking over at the first chick who slammed on her brakes for the stop light. She's promptly plowed into by the girl who was behind me. The girl behind me is then promptly plowed into by another girl behind her. I mutter a few obscenities while waiting for the bits of flying metal and plastic to settle down. I get out and check to see if the girl in front is okay. She's a bit shaken up and in that mental state of "Give me a few seconds to process just where the hell I am and what I should do about it", but is otherwise okay. I am about to go check on idiot #2 when she appears next to me ranting and raving about idiot #1 and how she couldn't see anything around my Jeep. I give her a pleasant greeting (which I won't put in print) and go check on idiot #3. Idiot #3 is slightly more coherent than idiot #1 but is otherwise content to stay in her car and avoid idiot #2 (probably because she'd be equally upset about the back of her little tin can on wheels). I turn back towards idiots #1 and #2 and hear music to my ears... The siren of a Fairfax County Motorcycle Cop who was coming the opposite direction and saw the end result. Having dealt with Ffx's finest before and having not really done anything wrong, I head back to my unscathed Jeep and wait for the LEO to settle everyone down. He of course does the "is everyone okay" thing first and then tells idiot #2 to get back in her car and tells the other idiots to stay put in their respective tin cans. He asks if I was involved in the accident. I tell him I was between idiots #1 and #2 but avoided everything. He asks me to stay put until he sorts out everything. I have coffee (un-spilled, thankyouverymuch), so I'm fine with that. :) Basically, he gets everyone's papers except mine, starts having them fill out the paperwork for the "give your insurance info to everyone involved" stuff and a few more officers show up to start putting out flares... none of the cars are going to move under thier own power any time soon. The LEO eventually gets back to me and asks my version of the story and how I ended up parked on the sidewalk. I basically repeat the above to him and he's slightly impressed that I had the sense to realize I was about to be rear-ended and to get the hell out of the way. I inform him that I also ride a motorcycle and it's just kind of a habit to pay attention to everyone around me and plan for a way out should Armageddon be headed for my tail lights. He says he doesn't need any of my paperwork, but would like me to fill out a "witness form" in case I need to be contacted later. I start scribbling and he wanders back to the idiot farm. Idiot #1 is cool about everything and hands over the paperwork she'd finished quite some time ago. Idiot #2, however, is the master idiot of these three. She starts raving to the cop about Idiot #1 slamming on the brakes when the light was green, and how she couldn't see anything around me because my Jeep is so big (it's pretty much stock, BTW). The LEO tells her that if I were riding my motorcycle instead of the Jeep and if I was paying only as much attention as she was, she might possibly be facing a charge of vehicular manslaughter instead of a few counts of reckless. He also mentioned something about her not being able to tell that the light was green if she was too close to see around me, but I didn't quite catch all of that one. That pretty much shut her up for good. Idiot #3, btw, is playing her cards right... "I'm so sorry, I just didn't see what was going on, didn't have time to react, hope everyone is okay, yada yada." The LEO comes back to me and says I'm free to go, sorry it took so long (tow trucks are starting to arrive now). I ask if I'd be needed as a witness or should I be expecting phone calls from insurance companies, etc. He says that if one of the idiots drags a lawyer into it, I'll probably be "requested" to appear in court as a witness, but that's it unlikely any of them would be willing to go that far. He assured me that all three of the idiots will be going to court, and they'd be stupid to plead anything other than guilty and just take their licks. In his words... "The girl in front gets a failure to control for skidding, the other two get the same plus at least a reckless, and whatever else I can come up with after we get everything moved." I bet that's gonna hurt. Miscellaneous facts that just didn't fit into the story real well... Idiots #1 and #2 were on cell phones (yes, I told the officer). The ONLY skid marks were from idiot #1 stopping for the yellow light. All three cars were little imports, generally about the size of a Civic. All three cars were very smooshed and none were drivable. Idiot #2 is almost guaranteed to be a total write off. If everything played out exactly the same way and I were on the bike, I probably would have not been able to clear the curb. The bike probably would have tucked the front wheel in and either thrown me into the wall or down the right side of idiot #1's car (this also makes me think bad thoughts about that 5 page "crushed nads" article in MCN last month). If everything played out exactly the same way and I were on the bike but I wasn't paying attention... I'm certain I wouldn't be typing anything for a VERY long time. Idiots are EVERYWHERE... ALWAYS pay attention no matter what you're driving/riding! --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 14:26:46 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:25:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , "DC Cycles" Dude... Glad you are OK...Thanks for the inspiration. Now that you are back in the area lets plan a ride far away from suburbia Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... Let me warn everyone right off the bat... this is probably going to be long, contain a rant or two and will most likely offend any drivers who are the usual Northern VA fooktards in this hell we call suburbia. If that bothers you, just go ahead and hit your delete button now. So, I'm driving my Jeep from my morning coffee shop to the optometrists so I can snag some new contacts. It's about 8:00 am, smack dab in morning idiot driving time on Braddock Road. Traffic is bumper to bumper and 95% of the bumpers surround cell phone yacking idiots. I'm behind a little import car. I didn't leave as much room between us as I would have on the bike, but it's a fair bit more than the usual N. Va "No one is getting in front of ME" mentality normally allows. The two cars behind me are subscribing to the above mentality. I'm just about to go through a green light when it turns yellow. Not only could I have made it, but the two cars behind me could have made it as well. The chick in front of me, however, obviously came to a different conclusion on the matter. She slams on the brakes. We're talking "skid marks and smoke" brake usage here. I'm sure she'd managed to come to a complete stop while the light was still yellow. Maybe not totally "illegal" of her (although that's debatable) but damned asinine to say the least. I had been doing my usual driving routine: constant scanning, checking mirrors, etc... All the defensive stuff I do out of habit when riding the bike, due to being absolutely convinced that everyone around me is a total idiot. I hit the brakes and know that I have plenty of room to safely stop without locking anything up. The other chick behind me, however... She oh-so-gentle touches the brake pedal with her delicate little footie. In spite of the fact that I've almost come to a complete stop and there's maybe six feet between us now. I immediately steer off the road, over the curb and between a concrete wall and a "stop here on red" street sign... Looking over at the first chick who slammed on her brakes for the stop light. She's promptly plowed into by the girl who was behind me. The girl behind me is then promptly plowed into by another girl behind her. I mutter a few obscenities while waiting for the bits of flying metal and plastic to settle down. I get out and check to see if the girl in front is okay. She's a bit shaken up and in that mental state of "Give me a few seconds to process just where the hell I am and what I should do about it", but is otherwise okay. I am about to go check on idiot #2 when she appears next to me ranting and raving about idiot #1 and how she couldn't see anything around my Jeep. I give her a pleasant greeting (which I won't put in print) and go check on idiot #3. Idiot #3 is slightly more coherent than idiot #1 but is otherwise content to stay in her car and avoid idiot #2 (probably because she'd be equally upset about the back of her little tin can on wheels). I turn back towards idiots #1 and #2 and hear music to my ears... The siren of a Fairfax County Motorcycle Cop who was coming the opposite direction and saw the end result. Having dealt with Ffx's finest before and having not really done anything wrong, I head back to my unscathed Jeep and wait for the LEO to settle everyone down. He of course does the "is everyone okay" thing first and then tells idiot #2 to get back in her car and tells the other idiots to stay put in their respective tin cans. He asks if I was involved in the accident. I tell him I was between idiots #1 and #2 but avoided everything. He asks me to stay put until he sorts out everything. I have coffee (un-spilled, thankyouverymuch), so I'm fine with that. :) Basically, he gets everyone's papers except mine, starts having them fill out the paperwork for the "give your insurance info to everyone involved" stuff and a few more officers show up to start putting out flares... none of the cars are going to move under thier own power any time soon. The LEO eventually gets back to me and asks my version of the story and how I ended up parked on the sidewalk. I basically repeat the above to him and he's slightly impressed that I had the sense to realize I was about to be rear-ended and to get the hell out of the way. I inform him that I also ride a motorcycle and it's just kind of a habit to pay attention to everyone around me and plan for a way out should Armageddon be headed for my tail lights. He says he doesn't need any of my paperwork, but would like me to fill out a "witness form" in case I need to be contacted later. I start scribbling and he wanders back to the idiot farm. Idiot #1 is cool about everything and hands over the paperwork she'd finished quite some time ago. Idiot #2, however, is the master idiot of these three. She starts raving to the cop about Idiot #1 slamming on the brakes when the light was green, and how she couldn't see anything around me because my Jeep is so big (it's pretty much stock, BTW). The LEO tells her that if I were riding my motorcycle instead of the Jeep and if I was paying only as much attention as she was, she might possibly be facing a charge of vehicular manslaughter instead of a few counts of reckless. He also mentioned something about her not being able to tell that the light was green if she was too close to see around me, but I didn't quite catch all of that one. That pretty much shut her up for good. Idiot #3, btw, is playing her cards right... "I'm so sorry, I just didn't see what was going on, didn't have time to react, hope everyone is okay, yada yada." The LEO comes back to me and says I'm free to go, sorry it took so long (tow trucks are starting to arrive now). I ask if I'd be needed as a witness or should I be expecting phone calls from insurance companies, etc. He says that if one of the idiots drags a lawyer into it, I'll probably be "requested" to appear in court as a witness, but that's it unlikely any of them would be willing to go that far. He assured me that all three of the idiots will be going to court, and they'd be stupid to plead anything other than guilty and just take their licks. In his words... "The girl in front gets a failure to control for skidding, the other two get the same plus at least a reckless, and whatever else I can come up with after we get everything moved." I bet that's gonna hurt. Miscellaneous facts that just didn't fit into the story real well... Idiots #1 and #2 were on cell phones (yes, I told the officer). The ONLY skid marks were from idiot #1 stopping for the yellow light. All three cars were little imports, generally about the size of a Civic. All three cars were very smooshed and none were drivable. Idiot #2 is almost guaranteed to be a total write off. If everything played out exactly the same way and I were on the bike, I probably would have not been able to clear the curb. The bike probably would have tucked the front wheel in and either thrown me into the wall or down the right side of idiot #1's car (this also makes me think bad thoughts about that 5 page "crushed nads" article in MCN last month). If everything played out exactly the same way and I were on the bike but I wasn't paying attention... I'm certain I wouldn't be typing anything for a VERY long time. Idiots are EVERYWHERE... ALWAYS pay attention no matter what you're driving/riding! --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 14:36:10 2006 X-REPUTATION: None X-REMOTE-IP: 66.171.210.53 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,212,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="49491681:sNHT16105851" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:35:48 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: Sweet, it's always nice to see asshats get their just desserts. Driving a Miata I've found that I'm nearly as invisible in the 1/2 cage as I am on my bikes. I congratulate you on refraining from jamming those cell phones down their owners gullets. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 14:48:09 2006 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:48:00 -0400 From: "James G" To: smthngelse@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... J- Glad you (and the Jeep) made it out in one piece. I had a similar accident a couple of yrs ago on Rte 234 near Montclair. A car had stopped to make a left turn (no signal, of course) on a road with one lane traveling in each direction. All traffic should have stopped. I was in an S2000 and had a minivan in front of me. I couldn't see the stopped car in front of the minivan. We were going ~45 mph when the minivan screeched its tires, shot off the road and slammed into a line of trees, toppled a telephone pole. The damn thing got about 10 feet of air. (queue the Dukes of Hazzard theme song here...) I also follow the laws of riding while in a car. I had plenty of time to stop before the car took its left. The car behind me however, didn't. They shot off the road too. There I was, left in the middle of the road, 1 car on its side and a minivan that was throwing steam and fuel all over itself. It was surreal. I pulled forward about 1/4 of a mile at the first available hard shoulder. the cops asked me what happened. They told me to thank my lucky stars. I told them about riding and how the habits I developed on a bike saved my ass several times. Always drive as if you could lose everything in an accident. That will keep you keen for the idiots #1, #2 and #3. Again, glad you're in one piece. Too bad about the street sign, though... :) -James From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 14:53:38 2006 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:53:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... To: DC Cycles >From: smthng else >Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 12:58:38 CDT >To: DC Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... > I'm behind a little import car. I didn't leave as much room >between us as I would have on the bike, but it's a fair bit more than >the usual N. Va "No one is getting in front of ME" mentality normally >allows. The two cars behind me are subscribing to the above >mentality. > ..first, I glad to hear that your motorcycle honed reflexes saved your ass. You're right, it could of been a LOT worse on a bike, let alone the jeep. There *is* some consolation knowing that there's going to be three brain dead idiots that will cry like a baby the next time they see their insurance premium. The other thing that I wanted to comment on is that, lately, I'm see more and more Virginians NOT playing bumper tag at signal lights. Instead they're playing this NEW tactic of stopping a good 6 FREAKIN CAR LENGTHS behind the car in front of them! By the time THEY get through the intersection the light has already changed! And to make matters worse, it's Murphys Law that I'll be trying to get in the left or right lane to make a left or right turn and can't because these morons in front of me won't move up enough for me to get around. gawd...their momma's didn't just drop these idiots on their little pumpkin heads, they double dribbled. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 15:39:15 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:31:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... smthng went wrong... ... If that bothers you, just go ahead and hit your delete button now. [Dave] Are you kidding? This is just the thing to bail us out of the loud pipes argument :-) So, I'm driving my Jeep [Dave] There's your problem, right there! They lean the wrong way in the turns... ... I'm just about to go through a green light when it turns yellow. ... The chick in front of me slams on the brakes. ...I have plenty of room to safely stop without locking anything up. The other chick behind me, however... I immediately steer off the road, over the curb and between a concrete wall and a "stop here on red" street sign... Looking over at the first chick who slammed on her brakes for the stop light. She's promptly plowed into by the girl who was behind me. ... I am about to go check on idiot #2 when she appears next to me ranting and raving about idiot #1 and how she couldn't see anything around my Jeep. [Dave] Ruh roh. BAD idea. I give her a pleasant greeting (which I won't put in print) and go check on idiot #3. ...FFX Moto... I have coffee (un-spilled, thankyouverymuch), so I'm fine with that. [Dave] NICELY done. ... The LEO comes back to me and says I'm free to go, sorry it took so long (tow trucks are starting to arrive now). I ask if I'd be needed as a witness or should I be expecting phone calls from insurance companies, etc. He says that if one of the idiots drags a lawyer into it, I'll probably be "requested" to appear in court as a witness, but that's it unlikely any of them would be willing to go that far. He assured me that all three of the idiots will be going to court, and they'd be stupid to plead anything other than guilty and just take their licks. In his words... "The girl in front gets a failure to control for skidding, the other two get the same plus at least a reckless, and whatever else I can come up with after we get everything moved." I bet that's gonna hurt. [Dave] a small price for them to pay for their stupidity. Count yourself lucky that the Idiot tax(tm) wasn't randomly assessed against you by these card carrying members of the Idtiot Network. Miscellaneous facts that just didn't fit into the story real well... Idiots #1 and #2 were on cell phones (yes, I told the officer). The ONLY skid marks were from idiot #1 stopping for the yellow light. All three cars were little imports, generally about the size of a Civic. All three cars were very smooshed and none were drivable. Idiot #2 is almost guaranteed to be a total write off. Idiots are EVERYWHERE... ALWAYS pay attention no matter what you're driving/riding! [Dave] Glad you're ok. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 16:03:24 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:03:13 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... First, glad you weren't on two wheels, and that you escaped the trap. Nice reactions. >I'm just about to go through a green light when it turns yellow. Not >only could I have made it, but the two cars behind me could have made >it as well. The chick in front of me, however, obviously came to a >different conclusion on the matter. She slams on the brakes. We're >talking "skid marks and smoke" brake usage here. I'm sure she'd >managed to come to a complete stop while the light was still yellow. >Maybe not totally "illegal" of her (although that's debatable) but >damned asinine to say the least. Yes. We've had this discussion before, ad nauseam -- yellow means "stop if you can do so safely." Her actions were illegal and stupid. But the prevailing general attitude that you and the two cars behind you "could have made it" is almost as illegal,dumb and dangerous. >In his words... "The girl in front gets a failure to control for >skidding, the other two get the same plus at least a reckless, and >whatever else I can come up with after we get everything moved." I >bet that's gonna hurt. Nice to see them all ticketed. But just on what you relate, neither of the two behind you deserve a reckless for anything. Following too closely for traffic conditions, yes; inattentive driving, yes; but neither one did anything reckless. Not even in VA. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 17:14:19 2006 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:14:12 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... Larry wrote: > Nice to see them all ticketed. But just on what you relate, neither of the > two behind you deserve a reckless for anything. Following too closely for > traffic conditions, yes; inattentive driving, yes; but neither one did > anything reckless. Not even in VA. > > -- Larry I agree about the reckless. I also don't know about inattentive driving or following too closely for idot #3. If the car in front of you comes to a sudden stop because of a collision, even a "safe" following distance and attentive driver might not be enough to avoid the follow-on collision. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 17:21:24 2006 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:18:59 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Reminder: Sunday is Fast Lane Cycles HP Shootout. Even if you don't step on the Dyno, it's usually a fun time for all. Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 17:43:02 2006 From: "Cole Howell" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Reminder: Sunday is Fast Lane Cycles HP Shootout. Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:42:50 -0400 I stopped going to this event years ago after having my steering damper taken from my bike and having a few friends have their helmets and or jackets taken. The crowd is amusing to watch and so are the stunt guys but keep an eye on your bike/gear. Cole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: [dc-cycles] Reminder: Sunday is Fast Lane Cycles HP Shootout. > Even if you don't step on the Dyno, it's usually a fun time for all. > > Gary Foreman > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 18:25:22 2006 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:25:10 -0400 From: "smthng else" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... > ll wrote: > Nice to see them all ticketed. But just on what you relate, neither of the > two behind you deserve a reckless for anything. Following too closely for > traffic conditions, yes; inattentive driving, yes; but neither one did > anything reckless. Not even in VA. I didn't ask why. :) The officer could have just been letting off steam... But, from my viewpoint, if both drivers (2 & 3) had well more than two car lengths to stop and neither really attempted to, I could see where that might be considered "reckless". I had enough room to not only come to an almost complete stop, but then hop a curb and get on the sidewalk all before any collision occurred. BTW... It's a Jeep with mud-terrain tires... not the "best" for sudden maneouvers on pavement by any means. No ABS either. There was plenty of room and time for all involved to avoid any nasty mishaps if they'd been paying attention and not bumper surfing. >Aaron Maurer wrote: >I also don't know about inattentive >driving or following too closely for idot #3. If the car in front of >you comes to a sudden stop because of a collision, even a "safe" >following distance and attentive driver might not be enough to avoid >the follow-on collision. At the time, my frame of mind was "You rock, officer! Throw the book at all of the idiots." ;) I don't really know what was up with number 3 though... I was worried and focused on my "immediate" dangers, which were 1 and 2. I heard #3, I didn't actual see her hit #2. They were all pretty impressive whacks. The Jeep would have survived better than any of the other vehicles involved, but it wouldn't have been fun by any means. Anyway... Keep your eyes open no matter how hot it gets out there or how comfortable you are with the route (I hit that stretch of Braddock almost every morning). --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng If smthng can go wrong, he probably already has. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 18:46:15 2006 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Reminder: Sunday is Fast Lane Cycles HP Shootout. Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:44:03 -0400 I've been going for years too, first I've heard of this. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Cole Howell [mailto:wch1@XXXXXX] To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Reminder: Sunday is Fast Lane Cycles HP Shootout. I stopped going to this event years ago after having my steering damper taken from my bike and having a few friends have their helmets and or jackets taken. The crowd is amusing to watch and so are the stunt guys but keep an eye on your bike/gear. Cole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: [dc-cycles] Reminder: Sunday is Fast Lane Cycles HP Shootout. > Even if you don't step on the Dyno, it's usually a fun time for all. > > Gary Foreman > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 18:51:54 2006 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:48:58 -0400 To: "Aaron Maurer" , "DC Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... At 8/4/2006 05:14 PM, Aaron Maurer wrote: >If the car in front of >you comes to a sudden stop because of a collision, even a "safe" >following distance and attentive driver might not be enough to avoid >the follow-on collision. That's why you should always be watching the car in front of the car in front of you. And if the vehicle in front of you is too big to see past, leave extra room (as if there was a phantom car there). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 4 18:53:15 2006 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:42:49 -0400 To: you@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... At 8/4/2006 01:58 PM, smthng else wrote: >Let me warn everyone right off the bat... this is probably going to be >long, contain a rant or two and will most likely offend any drivers Good description, and excellent driving on your part! (but you knew that ;-). Glad only the idiots got harmed in the making of this story. Maybe they'll learn not to tailgate and to pay attention? -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 5 10:29:02 2006 From: penguinbiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (B-DC cycles) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] My MC habits saved my cage... Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:28:44 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cGVuZ3VpbmJpa2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: ll > > Yes. We've had this discussion before, ad nauseam -- yellow means "stop if > you can do so safely." Her actions were illegal and stupid. But common and to be expected in these days of red light camera tax enhancement. I expect that for all she knew it was a short yellow red light camera intersection. And glad motorcycle reflexes saved a fellow rider. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 12:58:53 2006 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:57:21 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: B-DC cycles , sabmag@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1639/Mon Aug 7 09:34:09 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [dc-cycles] heh I'm very sorry for the families and loved ones. Still makes me chuckle. BUTLER, Pa. - Two brothers were killed in separate motorcycle accidents on the same road within two hours of each other on Saturday, authorities said. Steven Kerr, 37, of West Sunbury, Butler County, died shortly before 9 p.m. when his motorcycle crashed into a speed limit sign on state Route 38, state police said. Less than two hours later and about 100 yards away, 29-year-old Jeremy Kerr, of Hilliards, was fatally injured when his 2004 Suzuki crashed into the rear of a vehicle stopped in traffic because emergency crews were still on the scene of his brother's accident, police said. Jeremy Kerr was speeding, police said. The occupants of the other vehicle suffered minor injuries, police said. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 14:57:59 2006 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:57:51 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: DCCycles Cc: penguinbiker@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone been out riding? John Wondered, "One would think that it would violate the laws of thermodynamics for and engine to continue running when the temperature "inside" the combustion chamber was lower then the temperature of the air outside the combustion chamber. There may be a Nobel Prize in it if I can figure out how my bike kept running yesterday and today. But then again maybe it just feels that hot." [Carl]: Hee, I rolled in to home* Saturday afternoon about 3:00 p.m. doffed my 'Stich and entered the kitchen for something cold and wet. Number one wife was complaining about the heat. So, I dropped my pants and skivvies and asked her, can you wring out your underwear yet? Damn, it feels good to have the temperatures back in the lower 90's. Looking forward to the 80's. *Nice easy ride with a couple of newbies. Started in Mt. Airy, through Jefferson to Gapland, Antietam, Reno, Washington Monument State Park, Cunningham Falls, Libertytown and home. Had already shown them PennMar in an earlier sortie. Sabre got 45 MPG in 181 miles. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 15:31:22 2006 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:31:12 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Skip Smith" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh Cc: "B-DC cycles" , sabmag@XXXXXX if they guys were doing somethign stupid like wheelie-ing naked or something... I could understand.. but the article doesn't seem to mention they were doing anything extroidinary stupid so i don't understand why you would chuckle at that. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 17:43:02 2006 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:42:43 -0400 From: Rich Westbrook To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: 1995 Honda VFR750 I want to note first, that this bike is located in Pittsburgh, PA. I recently moved here from DC and with a new baby new job and new house, I have had no time to ride, so I'm selling by beloved VFR. Here's the write up that I put on Craig's List. If anyone is interested you can email me off list . Feel free to forward this along. 1995 Honda VFR750 -- $3200 27,800 miles. This bike has a yellow custom paint job. All VFRs of the 94-97 model years are red. Mechanically the bike is great and starts easily every time even in cold weather. The bike is in good condition. There are small scratches on the left fairing where the bike was dropped in a parking lot. I am selling it because I have a baby and don’t have time to enjoy it anymore. Extras included: Corbin seat, throttlemeister throttle lock, LockHart Phillips Tank bra, Dowco Cover and Shoei Helmet. Pictures http://richwestbrook.com/bike/ -Rich richard h. westbrook 866.494.2500 | 202.470.0000 x 502 EmoryDay | www.emoryday.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 17:57:09 2006 X-Authenticated-User: pltrgyst.covad.net Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:57:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh At 03:31 PM 8/7/2006, you wrote: >.... but the article doesn't seem to >mention they were doing anything extroidinary stupid so i don't >understand why you would chuckle at that. Not too many Nobel Prize laureates hit stationary speed limit signs unless they're doing something dumb. It's possible, but highly unlikely. And then to be followed by the overwhelming irony of a brother speeding {splat} into cars stopped for the first accident.... I wonder if the Darwin Award panel votes on a team or family category? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 18:36:07 2006 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:35:57 -0400 From: "Aaron Maurer" To: ll Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX No matter how it happened, I think it's a tragedy. And I'm sorry for the family. On 8/7/06, ll wrote: > At 03:31 PM 8/7/2006, you wrote: > >.... but the article doesn't seem to > >mention they were doing anything extroidinary stupid so i don't > >understand why you would chuckle at that. > > Not too many Nobel Prize laureates hit stationary speed limit signs unless > they're doing something dumb. It's possible, but highly unlikely. > > And then to be followed by the overwhelming irony of a brother speeding > {splat} into cars stopped for the first accident.... > > I wonder if the Darwin Award panel votes on a team or family category? > > -- Larry > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 20:10:01 2006 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:09:45 -0400 From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "Aaron Maurer" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh Cc: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Did you guys hoot it up too, when the racer crashed, and his girlfriend/wife hopped on her pitbike/pocketbike and ended up crashing in the pit with no gear on because she was rushing to his scene? Or what about the sheriff who lost his boys, when one boy crashed his car, the other heard about it, and he crashed his car rushing to that seen. woohoo.. lots of laughs. For all we know the two guys could have been inexperienced riders making the same rookie mistakes most of us made. I'm glad you guys find humor in that. that's very tasteful. I don't know they reported it as he hit a street sign. Signs are posted off the road usually, so they should have reported he went off the road. The sign didn't make him crash. You can make mistakes on a bike, it doens't mean you were doing somethign dumb. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 20:32:55 2006 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:32:41 -0400 From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh To: "Danny Motorcycle" , "Aaron Maurer" Cc: ll , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:09 PM 8/7/2006, Danny Motorcycle wrote: >Did you guys hoot it up too, when the racer crashed, and his >girlfriend/wife hopped on her pitbike/pocketbike and ended up >crashing in the pit with no gear on because she was rushing to his >scene? > >Or what about the sheriff who lost his boys, when one boy crashed his >car, the other heard about it, and he crashed his car rushing to that >seen. > >woohoo.. lots of laughs. > >For all we know the two guys could have been inexperienced riders >making the same rookie mistakes most of us made. I'm glad you guys >find humor in that. >that's very tasteful. > >I don't know they reported it as he hit a street sign. Signs are >posted off the road usually, so they should have reported he went off >the road. The sign didn't make him crash. You can make mistakes on >a bike, it doens't mean you were doing somethign dumb. > For once I agree with you. I don't see anything remotely "funny" about this. Not only that, but anyone who actually believes the reporters account of how a *motorcycle* accident occurred is an idiot. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 20:54:26 2006 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:53:57 -0400 From: skip To: Danny Motorcycle CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1639/Mon Aug 7 09:34:09 2006 on shell1.serverrack.net X-Virus-Status: Clean "hoot it up?" no. do I laugh at the irony of it? you bet. and the sheriff's kids... heh. dumbfuck. yes, they may have been inexperienced. they may have caught the bad luck that I dodged. bummer. you may not have realized this, Danny, but people can and do die motorcycling. I, personally, acknowledge that risk each time I get on the bike. If I die in a particularily stupid way, I hope people laugh at it. Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > Did you guys hoot it up too, when the racer crashed, and his > girlfriend/wife hopped on her pitbike/pocketbike and ended up > crashing in the pit with no gear on because she was rushing to his > scene? > > Or what about the sheriff who lost his boys, when one boy crashed his > car, the other heard about it, and he crashed his car rushing to that > seen. > > woohoo.. lots of laughs. > > For all we know the two guys could have been inexperienced riders > making the same rookie mistakes most of us made. I'm glad you guys > find humor in that. > that's very tasteful. > > I don't know they reported it as he hit a street sign. Signs are > posted off the road usually, so they should have reported he went off > the road. The sign didn't make him crash. You can make mistakes on > a bike, it doens't mean you were doing somethign dumb. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 7 22:35:52 2006 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:35:37 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh Here's a link to these and other stories of coincidental automotive death... http://www.snopes.com/horrors/traffic/siblings.asp Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 00:40:52 2006 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] heh To: skip , Danny Motorcycle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- skip wrote: > If I die in a particularily stupid way, I hope > people laugh at it. Earlier this year, my sister died in a car accident. I got me thinking about what I do and the probabilities of my own demise. So, I tried to figure out the best way to go. When I die, I hope it happens by hitting a polar bear with my motorcycle. I hope the bear dies too, he'll have the same good reason for it that I do. I don't really want to die in a motorcycle accident, but that possibility is just a part of riding. If I hit a polar bear, then my life will have been successful. After all, before hitting a polar bear, you almost have to have gone everywhere else. Getting to where there is polar bear to hit would mean that all of the easy places to go have already been accomplished. Death happens to everyone; some are better than others. As an example, the male praying mantis dies because he can't ejaculate until the female bites his head off. Consider that the alternative methods for his death mean he dies a virgin. His is a pretty good way to go. Leon Begeman. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 10:49:33 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:45:45 EDT To: exupbrotherhood@XXXXXX, AFRA@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) Well all, since i'm feeling a little better, I guess it's time for the gory details. :-) Was headed to Baltimore from DC Saturday night on the BW Parkway. Just passed BWI airport and some asshole in the right lane decided he wanted to be in the left lane, right where I was. Started coming over almost right beside me. I laid on the horn and let off the gas but, he kept coming. Slammed on the brakes and down I went. Pretty sure I flipped a couple times. Bike kept skidding down the shoulder of the road. Quite a few people stopped but, the asshole kept going. The person right behind me was an off duty cop. She saw everything but, no license plate info. Got a ride to the emergency room strapped down to a backboard. Was taken to St. Agnes hospital. My roommate Travis (DC paramedic) showed up shortly after. He may be a pain in the butt sometimes but, I was really glad he was there. He helped take my mind off of what happened and managed to calm me down quite a bit. Despite running a fingernail up my bare feet. lol Got home about 4am Sunday morning and spent pretty much the whole day trying to sleep. Damage to me, road rash on left arm from elbow down and on both knees. Broken pinky on right hand and banged up wrist. Bruised muscles in my back. Very stiff and sore. Damage to gear, JR Phoenix jacket is shredded and missing most of the left sleeve. Helmet banged up. Gloves ripped up. Jeans torn at the knee and boots very close to being worn all the way through on the toes. Damage to bike prior to taking it to the shop, surprisingly minor. Left side cosmetic damage to the fairings, ground down clutch lever end, bent gear shift lever and both frame sliders broken off (after they did their job). The bike fired right up and sounds normal. Will take it to the mechanic next weekend to have them check it out. However, dealing with the "Redneck Towing Company" that picked it up from the accident scene was funny. Not sure if they were husband/wife, brother/sister or husband(brother)/wife(sister). lol Anyway, that's it for now. One-handed typing sucks. Later all. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 10:55:25 2006 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) To: DC Cycles Glad you are ok brother! Sounds like the Phoenix did what we expect it too: prevent catastrophic damage but not a great protection for road rash? Get well Scooter. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Well all, since i'm feeling a little better, I guess > it's time for the gory > details. :-) > > Was headed to Baltimore from DC Saturday night on > the BW Parkway. Just > passed BWI airport and some asshole in the right > lane decided he wanted to be in > the left lane, right where I was. Started coming > over almost right beside > me. I laid on the horn and let off the gas but, he > kept coming. Slammed on > the brakes and down I went. Pretty sure I flipped > a couple times. Bike kept > skidding down the shoulder of the road. Quite a few > people stopped but, the > asshole kept going. The person right behind me was > an off duty cop. She saw > everything but, no license plate info. > > Got a ride to the emergency room strapped down to a > backboard. Was taken to > St. Agnes hospital. My roommate Travis (DC > paramedic) showed up shortly > after. He may be a pain in the butt sometimes but, > I was really glad he was > there. He helped take my mind off of what happened > and managed to calm me down > quite a bit. Despite running a fingernail up my > bare feet. lol > > Got home about 4am Sunday morning and spent pretty > much the whole day trying > to sleep. > > Damage to me, road rash on left arm from elbow down > and on both knees. > Broken pinky on right hand and banged up wrist. > Bruised muscles in my back. > Very stiff and sore. > > Damage to gear, JR Phoenix jacket is shredded and > missing most of the left > sleeve. Helmet banged up. Gloves ripped up. Jeans > torn at the knee and > boots very close to being worn all the way through > on the toes. > > Damage to bike prior to taking it to the shop, > surprisingly minor. Left > side cosmetic damage to the fairings, ground down > clutch lever end, bent gear > shift lever and both frame sliders broken off (after > they did their job). The > bike fired right up and sounds normal. Will take it > to the mechanic next > weekend to have them check it out. However, dealing > with the "Redneck Towing > Company" that picked it up from the accident scene > was funny. Not sure if they > were husband/wife, brother/sister or > husband(brother)/wife(sister). lol > > Anyway, that's it for now. One-handed typing > sucks. > > Later all. > > Scooter > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 11:00:47 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:00:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) Glad you're ok. ... Anyway, that's it for now. One-handed typing sucks. Later all. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 11:13:49 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:12:07 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , , , Glad that you are mostly okay. Be careful with the back as it can turn into one of those long standing things. Heal up quickly! Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] To: exupbrotherhood@XXXXXX; AFRA@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) Well all, since i'm feeling a little better, I guess it's time for the gory details. :-) Was headed to Baltimore from DC Saturday night on the BW Parkway. Just passed BWI airport and some asshole in the right lane decided he wanted to be in the left lane, right where I was. Started coming over almost right beside me. I laid on the horn and let off the gas but, he kept coming. Slammed on the brakes and down I went. Pretty sure I flipped a couple times. Bike kept skidding down the shoulder of the road. Quite a few people stopped but, the asshole kept going. The person right behind me was an off duty cop. She saw everything but, no license plate info. Got a ride to the emergency room strapped down to a backboard. Was taken to St. Agnes hospital. My roommate Travis (DC paramedic) showed up shortly after. He may be a pain in the butt sometimes but, I was really glad he was there. He helped take my mind off of what happened and managed to calm me down quite a bit. Despite running a fingernail up my bare feet. lol Got home about 4am Sunday morning and spent pretty much the whole day trying to sleep. Damage to me, road rash on left arm from elbow down and on both knees. Broken pinky on right hand and banged up wrist. Bruised muscles in my back. Very stiff and sore. Damage to gear, JR Phoenix jacket is shredded and missing most of the left sleeve. Helmet banged up. Gloves ripped up. Jeans torn at the knee and boots very close to being worn all the way through on the toes. Damage to bike prior to taking it to the shop, surprisingly minor. Left side cosmetic damage to the fairings, ground down clutch lever end, bent gear shift lever and both frame sliders broken off (after they did their job). The bike fired right up and sounds normal. Will take it to the mechanic next weekend to have them check it out. However, dealing with the "Redneck Towing Company" that picked it up from the accident scene was funny. Not sure if they were husband/wife, brother/sister or husband(brother)/wife(sister). lol Anyway, that's it for now. One-handed typing sucks. Later all. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 11:25:57 2006 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:25:39 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO It did pretty good. Looks like it tore a seam and that's what allowed the road rash to get through. Everywhere else there was damage the jacket prevented it from getting through to me. Scooter In a message dated 8/8/2006 10:55:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: Glad you are ok brother! Sounds like the Phoenix did what we expect it too: prevent catastrophic damage but not a great protection for road rash? Get well Scooter. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 11:30:00 2006 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:29:51 -0400 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) Scooter, Wow! All I can say is that I'm glad you're able to type it up and tell us about it. I'm happy that it was no worse than what you've described. Take it easy and get back out on the bike soon! Perry On 8/8/06, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Well all, since i'm feeling a little better, I guess it's time for the gory > details. :-) > [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 11:53:41 2006 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Glad it wasn't worse and you're doing ok. I'm getting pissed just sitting here thinking of that idiot driver leaving the scene like that...I'd have a hard time not killing them if I caught back up with them. Too bad no one was able to get the license plate number. Hope you heal fast. Take it easy while your body is still figuring out what's hurt. Yes, one handed typing does suck. - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 12:13:20 2006 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:13:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tyburski To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] I-495 surface hazard Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that there is a nasty, bike-front-tire-sized hole in the middle of eastbound I-495 between mile markers 33.8 and 33.7. This is east of I-270 on the north part of the beltway. It is a place where the concrete has broken away from a bridge joint, and it is right on the line separating two lanes. If I remember right, it is separating the second from the third in from the right lane. The long axis of the hole is parallel to direction of travel, and it is deep enough to throw you for sure. Watch your lane changes around there and on other bridge seems. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 12:20:52 2006 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:20:42 -0400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) > Slammed on the brakes and down I went. Been there, done that (recently). Glad that you're OK overall. I dropped my rental in Austria on day 3 of an 18 day ride - luckily at low speed. Two ribs broken and a beat up leg. - Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 8 12:21:58 2006 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:22:42 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC-Cycles" Anyway, that's it for now. One-handed typing sucks. Later all. Scooter Too bad about the run-in, I'm glad you're OK. Cedric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 9 07:56:14 2006 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:56:02 -0400 From: "Carl Custer" To: DCCycles Cc: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, "=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93Leon_Begeman=94?=" Subject: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom: Scooter said: "Was headed to Baltimore from DC Saturday night on the BW Parkway. Just passed BWI airport and some asshole in the right lane decided he wanted to be in the left lane, right where I was. Started coming over almost right beside me. I laid on the horn and let off the gas but, he kept coming. Slammed on the brakes and down I went." [Carl]: Don't want to second guess you but a good healthy pair of tooters has changed the mind of lane swapping drivers for me in all but one instance ($#@% Taxi Driver on Wisconsin). The asshole may have been playing "I'm bigger than you" and intentionally run you off the road. In similar instances, the tooters seemed to have given them a second thought that they had missed the truck in their blind spot. Of course, always have a plan B; sorry to read your Plan B didn't work out better. "Damage to gear, JR Phoenix jacket is shredded and missing most of the left sleeve." [Carl]: Yup, several that have used its protective effect have attested that it's a "throw-away" but in the heat of summer, it's far better than a tee-shirt. Anyway, that's it for now. One-handed typing sucks. Later all. Scooter [Carl]: Good to read you're alive to tell about it. Leon Blathered: "When I die, I hope it happens by hitting a polar bear with my motorcycle. I hope the bear dies too, he'll have the same good reason for it that I do. I don't really want to die in a motorcycle accident, but that possibility is just a part of riding. If I hit a polar bear, then my life will have been successful. After all, before hitting a polar bear, you almost have to have gone everywhere else. Getting to where there is polar bear to hit would mean that all of the easy places to go have already been accomplished." [Carl]: Oooh, good one. Umm, then I hope it's a Yeti or Sasquatch – or – tumbling off a high mountain road. My last words would be "Oh shit, Woo hoo, well it was a good ride." [LB]: "Death happens to everyone; some are better than others. As an example, the male praying mantis dies because he can't ejaculate until the female bites his head off. Consider that the alternative methods for his death mean he dies a virgin. His is a pretty good way to go." [Carl]: Some of you may have seen this but I think it's appropriate: Life's Cycle: I think the life cycle is all backwards. You should start out dead and get it out of the way. Then, you wake up in an old age home feeling better every day. You get kicked out for being too healthy; go collect your pension, then when you start work, you get a gold watch on your first day. You work 40 years until you're young enough to enjoy your retirement. You drink alcohol, you party, you're generally promiscuous and you get ready for High School. You go to primary school, you become a kid, you play, you have no responsibilities, you become a baby, and then... You spend your last 9 months floating peacefully in luxury, in spa-like conditions; central heating, room service on tap, larger quarters every day, ..... and then, you finish off as an orgasm. I rest my case From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 9 08:35:09 2006 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:34:57 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Metzeler Sportec M3 versus Michelin Pilot Power Sport Has anyone had a chance to ride on the metzeler Sportec M3 tire yet? Any opinions? www.metzeler.com Julian Halton Group Logic julian@XXXXXX 703.527.7979 x 2338 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 9 09:08:19 2006 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:08:06 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) Glad your OK Scooter! Probably another cell phone catastrophy. -Norris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 9 09:28:02 2006 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Post Article There's a post article on the "drag racing," more the betting on grudge matches but at a track none the less, side of motorcycles. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/08/AR2006080801549.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 9 23:44:17 2006 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fall down and go boom (cross-posted) To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Glad you're mostly ok. Heal quickly. Leon --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Got a ride to the emergency room strapped down to a > backboard. Was taken to > St. Agnes hospital. > Very stiff and sore. > Anyway, that's it for now. One-handed typing > sucks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 11 10:25:23 2006 From: (Andrew Culpepper) biga@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:25:09 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Our Chuck BOOK REVIEW 'Long war' a tragic misstep Winning the Un-War by Charles Pena Reviewed by David Isenberg http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/HH12Aa01.html Andrew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 11 11:11:08 2006 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:10:58 -0400 From: "James G" To: "Andrew Culpepper" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Our Chuck Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Andrew, Tell me what that has to do with riding motorcycles in DC. Thanks, James From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 11 11:36:02 2006 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Forwarded-For: [(null)] Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:35:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Our Chuck The author was at one time (is he still?) a DCC LM. -----Original Message----- From: James G [mailto:generalgallina@XXXXXX] To: 'Andrew Culpepper' Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Our Chuck Andrew, Tell me what that has to do with riding motorcycles in DC. Thanks, James