From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 08:17:26 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Fuzz on Kawis Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:16:30 -0400 I had a '78 KZ1000, and the cop KZ I saw in the Cycle Sport service area about a year ago looked VERY similar to my old beastie. I believe the basic KZ design dates to the early 70's. When did the first KZ900 come out? '73? Tom is right on the mark about the comfort level. The best thing about my old KZ was its highway manners. Very nice and smooth. All day rides were no problem. It sure was HEAVY though, and not as much fun in the twisties as a '78 Bonneville :). I think it's pretty cool that they still make the KZ's. Kinda like time standing still for the Enfields (essentially unchanged since 1955). Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA ------------- Original Message ------------- Tom Wrote... Virginia State Police still uses (although in limited numbers) the older Kawasaki KZ 1100 (1000) for motor duty. These definitely blow the Harley out of the water from a power stand point, and are very comfortable to ride for long periods at a time. I would assume that they are still in use because the motor cops do not want to give them up... hell.. what are they now... over ten years old? Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 08:53:55 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:46:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Parking in Downtown baltimore To: Ned Suesse Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Well, How about my driveway? Contact me off-list if you would like directions ... I live 2 blocks from the inner harbor and Camden Yds in a safe neighborhood. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Ned Suesse Date: 09/30/99 06:23:08 PM GMT Subject: Parking in Downtown baltimore I am headed up to Baltimore on Saturday to meet a friend- any good ideas on a safe place to park the bike in downtown? If the weather is good, I would feel like a criminal not driving the motorcycle, but I admit to fear of theft if I leave it alone for too many hours. Thanks Ned 96 cbr F3 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 09:02:31 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:02:51 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Dennis Kirk/non moto To: "'DCCy'" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Can you imagine 50 poeple a day, I say 50 people a day, callin up Dennis Kirk, hummin a few bars of Alice's Restaurant and hangin up the tele-phone? Folks they might think its a revolution, and thats what it is, The Alice's Restaurant and Dennis Kirk Dollar Off Tire Deal Revolution . . . . Jonathan Broga You'll have to tell them which magazine and the ad's page number. > Oh, and tell them, "Ryder sent you" then hum a few bars of Alice's > Restaurant. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 09:14:18 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: Dennis Kirk/non moto Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:14:12 -0700 >Can you imagine 50 poeple a day, I say 50 people a day, callin up Dennis >Kirk, hummin a few bars of Alice's Restaurant and hangin up the tele-phone? >Folks they might think its a revolution, and thats what it is, The Alice's >Restaurant and Dennis Kirk Dollar Off Tire Deal Revolution . . . . Just wait for it to come around on the guitar, here... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 09:14:34 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Bill Huson'" , Bob Meyer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrou s Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:12:47 -0400 No offensive but I don't think I'd be interested in women that like Harley's. Not my cup of tea. Glenn >Hmmm...????. How many of you young studs have met a cool chick and blatthered >about your motorcycle and then been hit with the standard question - "Is it a >Harley? I love Harleys!" Er ... mumble mumble... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 09:14:58 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dead CBR600 on BWpkway. Was driving up to do some work at a site this morning. Stopped for a guy on a yellow and purple CBR600 that wasn't running. Bike wouldn't start, even though he had gas. I was figguring it was probably cold and/or flooded. He kept trying to start it and was running his battery down. Manual "reserve" switch, no effect in either position. Nice bike, but the rider seemed like he needed some maintenance experience. He had a couple other people stop after I was there so I let them handle it and headed out. Don't know how long he'd been there, but in the few minutes I was, I did see several bikes, a cop and, of course, lots of cars go by. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 10:08:08 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:04:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Why Harley Then? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wasn't aware of that... I was just in Rome and Naples in August, and saw only Guzzis being ridden by the police. I guess they will be slowly phasing the BMWs in... From north to south... ;-) -John N. 88 FZR 400 > In a message dated 9/30/99 10:45:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jnewman@XXXXXX writes: > > << The Italians > have FIAT and Lancia cruisers, and ride Guzzis. >> > From: Boiade@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why Harley Then? > Actually, BMW won the last contract for motorcycles for the police and > carabinieri in Italy. Now many of the police are riding BMWs. > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 10:08:11 1999 From: Michael Jay To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WERA final standings Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:08:08 -0400 Collin T. Fagan writes: >Hope this didn't sound too gloatful... I'm just trying to share my >happiness with all my DCC friends.... Aaahhhhhhh, g'ahead, g'ahead!!!! Enjoy the winner's circle, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 11:01:09 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Moto Web Site To: "'DCCy'" Interesting Web Page with race kits/tuner kits for various sportbikes. http://www.factorypro.com/ Herb ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 11:01:37 1999 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:57:01 EDT Subject: Re: Why Harley Then? To: jnewman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/99 10:08:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: << I guess they will be slowly phasing the BMWs in... From north to south... ;-) >> Guess so, already have seen quite a few police BMWs in Tuscany. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 11:23:57 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:22:07 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: roach@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rmeyer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Content-Disposition: inline -snip- Brian sez: How many people have HD tattoos but *don't* own a Harley? Not as many as non-owners wearing the t-shirts and sticking the logos in the rear window of their cages. -snip- Most fun: Eating the free food at the HOG member only suite at Mid-Ohio during the AMA races wearing a bright red Ducati T-Shirt. The guy checking HOG cards at the front was, um, confused and almost said "This is for Harley Owners Only" before he saw I was holding my card. More fun: Showing up at a HOG function on my Sprint with its Harley Race Team paint job and "Made in Italy" sticker on the front fender. The old-time bikers love it, but it gives RUBbies the fits ("nobody told me about this!") Really cool in a line of bikes, leaning on its right-side kickstand "the wrong way." Joe '72 H-D/Aermacchi SX 350 (Why be normal?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 11:55:45 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:54:37 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: ghowell@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rmeyer@XXXXXX, christopher.meier@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Content-Disposition: inline Damn well they should. Tuscaloosa sold 'em the land for one dollar, American. Joe ex-Mercedes "vendor" >>> Bill Huson - 9/30/99 10:15 PM >>> The Mercedes plant in Tuscalossa Alabama donated a Mercedes SUV to every nearby law enforcement agency - complete with stripes and logos. Bill George Howell wrote: > Speaking of BMWs and the police, my brother (lives in Myrtle Beach) saw that > BMW corporate is donating a mess of M5's for police duty. Apparently some > sort of good will gesture. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 12:13:09 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:11:42 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: ghowell@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Content-Disposition: inline Er .. how about we're to busy getting laid to fool with iron butt rallys? he he he! loafing at 55 to blasting at 80+. Clean it up with a nice frame mounted fairing and it would cook. Howzabout a fuelie Twin-Cammer Road Glide with Big Hammer cammage and carbage from Zipper's? Can you say "twisting forces?" Yum . . . now where did I leave that $20k in cash laying around . . . Joe "Oh, and a very well-padded backrest for The Better Half, please." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 12:14:10 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:51:58 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Content-Disposition: inline Err... Umm... You gotta get a better cage. I believe the terminal speed on a Buell is 110+/- (according to Motorcyclist). Take off a few MPH for the FL (anybody with any good numbers on this? I'm guessing 100 or so?) Speaking from past experience with an Ultra Colossic Electra Sled, and knowing that Harleys have purty accurate speedos, I'd say closer to 90. Butt--those tractor-style cop solo saddles are among the most comfy in bikedom. Got one on my '68, and it's cheek-cradling bliss. At least until yer vision blurs from the vibration. Joe '68 FLH Paintshaker, to be balanced during rebuild From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 12:31:53 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:30:32 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mcycleracr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. Content-Disposition: inline Ah yes, the chickie thang. Which leads me to a story my old Cheesehead buddy Dave once told me. One fine summer day, Dave was tooling around outside of Milwaukee on his brand-spankin'-new red, white & blue RZ 350, wearing brand-spankin'-new red, white & blue duds & lid to match. As he approached town on a four-laner, he pulled alonside a VW Rabbit which contained four young lovlies who seemed to be in a flirty mood. Dave did a little showing off for the ladies, and they seemed to enjoy the show. A red light halted the action as they got into town, and the two vehicles stopped next to each other. One of the cuties began to roll down her window, so Dave flipped up his visor. She yelled at him: "Get a Harley--you pussy!" Dave claims to have been laughing too hard to experience any shrinkage. But somehow, I don't think she was part of the Road America crowd. Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 12:34:22 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:32:51 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nsuesse@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: police motorcycles, etc. Content-Disposition: inline And ATK offers their 604 in cop drag. Yeeehaaw! >>> "George Howell" - 9/30/99 11:15 PM >>> About two years ago, there was a problem in Balt. with kids riding dirt bikes around on city streets. The City outfitted some dp's with lights, and were able to follow them when they went offroad. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 12:52:11 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Dead CBR600 on BWpkway. To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yesterday a friend and I were MC'ing around college park, and a U of MD student bike was out of gas on university blvd, so we stopped, he said he was okay, and that he was out of gas, and thanks anyway, so we rolled on. I figured the least I could do is let him use my cell phone, but he had his own and said he had someone coming. he was riding a late 70's yamaha I believe. Also a car stopped after we left. --- Dan Brown wrote: > Was driving up to do some work at a site this morning. Stopped for > a > guy on a yellow and purple CBR600 that wasn't running. Bike > wouldn't > start, even though he had gas. I was figguring it was probably cold > and/or flooded. He kept trying to start it and was running his > battery > down. Manual "reserve" switch, no effect in either position. Nice > bike, > but the rider seemed like he needed some maintenance experience. > > He had a couple other people stop after I was there so I let them > handle it and headed out. Don't know how long he'd been there, but > in > the few minutes I was, I did see several bikes, a cop and, of > course, > lots of cars go by. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 13:06:04 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:58:52 -0400 Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL This reminds me of something that happened the other day. I was cleaning up the Superhawk, when three girls (around 12 or 14 years old) who live in the neighborhood walked by. One of them said just after she passed, "Suzukis are better!" I just smiled and said "Oh? Is that right?" One of her friends, in an effort to minimize her embarassment, said "But yours is nice too!" and then got into a hushed argument with her friend as they walked away. I was laughing about that one for an hour afterwards. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: JOE NAGY Ah yes, the chickie thang. Which leads me to a story ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 13:14:50 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:13:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Daniel aka ITM cc: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead CBR600 on BWpkway. I've got a 3 foot section of 3/8" hose coiled up under my seat for JUST this reason. If I'm outta gas, I'm not above sucking some out of somebody else's tank... Wait...eh, that didn't sound just quite right...but y'all know what I mean. On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > Yesterday a friend and I were MC'ing around college park, and > a U of MD student bike was out of gas on university blvd, so we > stopped, he said he was okay, and that he was out of gas, and thanks > anyway, so we rolled on. I figured the least I could do is let him > use my cell phone, but he had his own and said he had someone coming. > > he was riding a late 70's yamaha I believe. Also a car stopped after > we left. > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 13:19:20 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mcycleracr@XXXXXX hehe that's funny... like somehow the type of bike makes you more of a man. Like you can somehow jump cars or through fire or drive through brick walls. --- JOE NAGY wrote: > Ah yes, the chickie thang. Which leads me to a story my old > Cheesehead > buddy Dave once told me. One fine summer day, Dave was tooling > around > outside of Milwaukee on his brand-spankin'-new red, white & blue RZ > 350, > wearing brand-spankin'-new red, white & blue duds & lid to match. > As he > approached town on a four-laner, he pulled alonside a VW Rabbit > which > contained four young lovlies who seemed to be in a flirty mood. > Dave > did a little showing off for the ladies, and they seemed to enjoy > the > show. A red light halted the action as they got into town, and the > two > vehicles stopped next to each other. One of the cuties began to > roll > down her window, so Dave flipped up his visor. She yelled at him: > "Get > a Harley--you pussy!" Dave claims to have been laughing too hard > to > experience any shrinkage. But somehow, I don't think she was > part of > the Road America crowd. > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 13:45:56 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Daniel aka ITM cc: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mcycleracr@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:41:51 -0400 Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. Content-Disposition: inline I think it's really funny when a woman will keep checking me out in her rear-view....the look on her face when I pull up next to her at a light is priceless! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 14:45:41 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:02:57 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Daniel aka ITM , Ken Woods CC: Dan Brown , Subject: Re: Dead CBR600 on BWpkway. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ken Woods Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:13:31 -0400 (EDT) >I've got a 3 foot section of 3/8" hose coiled up under my seat for JUST >this reason. If I'm outta gas, I'm not above sucking some out of >somebody else's tank... Likewise, I've got a cool siphon kit I carry in the saddlebag just in case. Got it from Dennis Kirk. About 6 feet of clear hose, a lead sinker/strainer on one end, a plastic cap that fits over the donor tank's filler hole, and a small plastic tube you blow into to pressurize the tank and force gas out through the hose to the other bike. No chance of accidently sucking gas with this thing - though I've tried it, you can still taste the fumes if you screw up I figure with the big (7.6+) gallon tank on the Concours, it's more likely I'll be donating fuel than receiving it, but it never hurts to build up good karma. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 15:07:12 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:03:37 -0400 Subject: Rides This Weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Are there any rides planned this weekend? Any good moto events happening anywhere? I'd prefer Maryland, as I'm cat-sitting for my sister up in Germantown. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 15:32:52 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Re: Rides This Weekend? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:29:48 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 hehe...I *just* posted to the dc-cycles yahoo club... let me know if you have anything going on, as I really wanna ride with some folks this weekend. Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 3:03 PM Subject: Rides This Weekend? > Are there any rides planned this weekend? Any good moto events happening > anywhere? I'd prefer Maryland, as I'm cat-sitting for my sister up in > Germantown. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 15:35:40 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:29:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: JOE NAGY CC: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous JOE NAGY wrote: > Howzabout a fuelie Twin-Cammer Road Glide with Big Hammer cammage and > carbage from Zipper's? Can you say "twisting forces?" Yum . . . now > where did I leave that $20k in cash laying around . . . > > Joe > "Oh, and a very well-padded backrest for The Better Half, please." > That would work. The basic hog mill is sort of archaic and leaves a lot of room to play add-the-horses. She has plenty of torque. Good for yanking stumps and dragging the plow when one ain't out riding the ribbons. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 15:39:47 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:33:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Daniel aka ITM CC: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mcycleracr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. Daniel aka ITM wrote: > hehe that's funny... like somehow the type of bike makes you more of > a man. Like you can somehow jump cars or through fire or drive > through brick walls. > Yeah, and I like the crotch rocketeers who slide up alongside me, as I'm chugging liesurely down the highway, and then stand them and wheelie off into the sunset, as if I'm gonna be immpressed. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 15:43:16 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:37:00 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX CC: Daniel aka ITM , JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mcycleracr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. Treasure those moments. About 40% of our RiderCourse nivices are female. H-D claims 10% of new bike sales are to females, and H-Ds are what I consider a heavy bike. It ain't a *guy* thang anymore. Gals are into bikes! Maybe that old 70s Suzuki ad was right. "Put something exciting between your legs." Bill Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > I think it's really funny when a woman will keep checking me out in her > rear-view....the > look on her face when I pull up next to her at a light is priceless! LOL > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 15:46:39 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:40:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: Daniel aka ITM , Ken Woods , Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead CBR600 on BWpkway. 7.6 GALLONS !!! Geezzz.... Is that the desert explorer model or what? Bill Horkster wrote: > I figure with the big (7.6+) gallon tank on the Concours, it's > more likely I'll be donating fuel than receiving it, but it never > hurts to build up good karma. :) > > Dale > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 16:07:17 1999 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Sat ride... Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:51:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF052B.8B6DE170 Ok, plans feel through something feirce (I was supposed to be in Ohio = racing) - and I want to ride this weekend.. I have people free on = Sunday, but noone for Saturday... Anyone that want's to go.. give me a = shout tonight at this e-mail address (I'm on DC-Cycles digest, so don't = reply to the list) Or call me at home up till 11pm - 301.445.4451 - = I've nothing specific in mind, though I can lead a MD/VA ride should I = have followers but no leaders. Cheers. Brian McCoy MMI Student / 86/87 VFR entusiast ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF052B.8B6DE170
Ok, plans feel through something feirce = (I was=20 supposed to be in Ohio racing) - and I want to ride this weekend.. I = have people=20 free on Sunday, but noone for Saturday...  Anyone that want's to = go.. give=20 me a shout tonight at this e-mail address (I'm on DC-Cycles digest, so = don't=20 reply to the list)  Or call me at home up till 11pm - 301.445.4451 = - I've=20 nothing specific in mind, though I can lead a MD/VA ride should I have = followers=20 but no leaders.
 
Cheers.
 
Brian McCoy
MMI Student / 86/87 VFR=20 entusiast
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF052B.8B6DE170-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 16:07:31 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX heh heh. I hear a lot of women will do something with another woman.. and if they like bikes.. well you're just the one they've been looking for hehehe --- Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I think it's really funny when a woman will keep checking me out in > her > rear-view....the > look on her face when I pull up next to her at a light is > priceless! LOL > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 16:14:14 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Dead CBR600 on BWpkway. Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:10:52 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 no shit, that's like twice what mine holds. Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Cc: Daniel aka ITM ; Ken Woods ; Dan Brown ; Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Dead CBR600 on BWpkway. > 7.6 GALLONS !!! Geezzz.... Is that the desert explorer model or what? > > Bill > > Horkster wrote: > > > I figure with the big (7.6+) gallon tank on the Concours, it's > > more likely I'll be donating fuel than receiving it, but it never > > hurts to build up good karma. :) > > > > Dale > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 16:24:34 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bill Huson wrote: > Treasure those moments. About 40% of our RiderCourse nivices are > female. H-D > claims 10% of new bike sales are to females, and H-Ds are what I > consider a > heavy bike. It ain't a *guy* thang anymore. Gals are into bikes! yes I know, and it's VERY SEXY to see a woman piloting! And then to see more than one riding in a group, that's cool too. Oh be still my heart! The pitter patter! :) hehe > Maybe that old 70s Suzuki ad was right. "Put something exciting > between your > legs." Especially if it's a bike that likes to vibrate.. "speed turns me on" gets a whole new meaning.. I wonder if cowboys used to say the same stuff about horses and women riding... hehe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 16:25:34 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:27:54 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Accept-Language: en Hegel's dictum, "No man is a hero to his valet; not, however, because the man is not a hero, but because the valet--is a valet." Randy Moran Crotch Rocketeer Bill Huson wrote: > > Yeah, and I like the crotch rocketeers who slide up alongside me, as I'm > chugging liesurely down the highway, and then stand them and wheelie off > into the sunset, as if I'm gonna be immpressed. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 16:29:08 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:28:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. At 04:08 PM 10/1/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >heh heh. I hear a lot of women will do something with another woman.. >and if they like bikes.. well you're just the one they've been >looking for hehehe Was that a weak stab at some sort of lesbian humor? Please don;t tell me you are one of those weak minded guys that think they are dikes on bikes or something. I have a couple girlfriends that ride....and they are very feminine. Jeannette included..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org God, help me to consider people's feelings, even if most of them are hypersensitive. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 16:42:48 1999 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Sat ride - 2 of us now.. Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:27:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF0530.75D16710 Chris (vtr) and myself will be meeting at the junction of 270 and 80 = (Urbana, MD) at 9am tomorrow for some twisty roads.. Just to nudge = those of you who thought you might be interested, but were unsure of = joining something that hadn't been formed yet. =20 It'll start with Thurston Rd, up to Sugarloaf Mtn(we'll see if they let = us up.. we can 'coat race' on the way down (NOT actuall racing, but = coasting down the hill to see who can keep up the best momentum - tons = of fun) a short sting on 28 over to Point of rocks, into VA - then some = NoVA roads from there... =20 We're meeting at the gas station just to the east of 270 and north of 80 = (I think it's an Exxon - not sure) at 9am.. leaving 9:30. Come ride boys and girls.. =20 Brian McCoy MMI Student / 86/87 VFR entusiast ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF0530.75D16710
Chris (vtr) and myself will be meeting = at the=20 junction of 270 and 80 (Urbana, MD) at 9am tomorrow for some twisty=20 roads..  Just to nudge those of you who thought you might be = interested,=20 but were unsure of joining something that hadn't been formed yet. =20
 
It'll start with Thurston Rd, up to = Sugarloaf=20 Mtn(we'll see if they let us up.. we can 'coat race' on the way down = (NOT=20 actuall racing, but coasting down the hill to see who can keep up the = best=20 momentum - tons of fun) a short sting on 28 over to Point of rocks, into = VA -=20 then some NoVA roads from there... 
 
We're meeting at the gas station just = to the east=20 of 270 and north of 80 (I think it's an Exxon - not sure) at 9am..  = leaving=20 9:30.
 
Come ride boys and girls..  =
 
Brian McCoy
MMI Student / 86/87 VFR=20 entusiast
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF0530.75D16710-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 16:54:37 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Absolutely not. I was just jokign with jeanette a little, as we've had a lot of laughs chatting on yahoo pager. The joke is that one time she'll be expecting to see the turned off face, and it'll be hers when the woman comes on to her LOL. Sorry you didn't get it. The funny thing is, I believe it was just yesterday or the day before I defended women bikers on roachies web board for the 250 ninja. Daniel "I love women, I love women bikers, and I'd love lesbians if they let me." --- Troutman wrote: > At 04:08 PM 10/1/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: > >heh heh. I hear a lot of women will do something with another > woman.. > >and if they like bikes.. well you're just the one they've been > >looking for hehehe > > Was that a weak stab at some sort of lesbian humor? Please don;t > tell me > you are one of those weak minded guys that think they are dikes on > bikes or > something. I have a couple girlfriends that ride....and they are > very > feminine. Jeannette included..... > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > God, help me to consider people's feelings, even if > most of them are hypersensitive. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 17:05:57 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Sat ride... To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm up for a maryland ride, either day is fine for me. --- Brian McCoy wrote: > Ok, plans feel through something feirce (I was supposed to be in > Ohio racing) - and I want to ride this weekend.. I have people free > on Sunday, but noone for Saturday... Anyone that want's to go.. > give me a shout tonight at this e-mail address (I'm on DC-Cycles > digest, so don't reply to the list) Or call me at home up till > 11pm - 301.445.4451 - I've nothing specific in mind, though I can > lead a MD/VA ride should I have followers but no leaders. > > Cheers. > > Brian McCoy > MMI Student / 86/87 VFR entusiast > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 17:08:59 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: crotch rocketeers To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, and I liked the Harley rider who did his best to impress me on a straight stretch of 29 congested with traffic as I came back from the hills last weekend. Came roaring past and then yanked his dresser from lane to lane so hard he almost pulled the wheels off the ground, back and forth for no apparent reason. I was impressed -- I thought, "What a spaz!" Sean Sullivan --- Bill Huson wrote: > Yeah, and I like the crotch rocketeers who slide up > alongside me, as I'm > chugging liesurely down the highway, and then stand > them and wheelie off > into the sunset, as if I'm gonna be immpressed. > > Bill > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 17:16:53 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: A Fun Weekend Ride Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:16:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 If anyone wants a place to go, Winchester Airport is having their "Fly-In" this weekend. Lots of Experimental planes. You can then also visit Valley Cycle (but they close at 3:00 Sat.). Supposed to be a real nice weekend! Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com WEB: http://www.tl1000.com '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 17:51:57 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:42:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Sean Sullivan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: crotch rocketeers He probably had his air settings out of whack and the wicked lane change was unintentional. The reasoin why my air sponges are sitting on the shelf and *real* shocks are on my Hawg. Bill Sean Sullivan wrote: > Yeah, and I liked the Harley rider who did his best > to impress me on a straight stretch of 29 congested > with traffic as I came back from the hills last > weekend. Came roaring past and then yanked his dresser > from lane to lane so hard he almost pulled the wheels > off the ground, back and forth for no apparent reason. > I was impressed -- I thought, "What a spaz!" > Sean Sullivan > > - From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 17:57:27 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: "Gary Foreman" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: A Fun Weekend Ride Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:54:21 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 what time, and what day? Where are you leaving from? Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Foreman To: Dc-Cycles Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 5:16 PM Subject: A Fun Weekend Ride > If anyone wants a place to go, Winchester Airport is having their "Fly-In" > this weekend. Lots of Experimental planes. You can then also visit Valley > Cycle (but they close at 3:00 Sat.). > > Supposed to be a real nice weekend! > > Gary W. Foreman > EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX > WEB: http://www.fj1100.com > WEB: http://www.tl1000.com > '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 18:09:53 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:12:58 -0400 (EDT) From: cambion To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Troutman wrote: > At 04:08 PM 10/1/99 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: > >heh heh. I hear a lot of women will do something with another woman.. > >and if they like bikes.. well you're just the one they've been > >looking for hehehe > > Was that a weak stab at some sort of lesbian humor? Please don;t tell me > you are one of those weak minded guys that think they are dikes on bikes or > something. I have a couple girlfriends that ride....and they are very > feminine. Jeannette included..... > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > God, help me to consider people's feelings, even if > most of them are hypersensitive. Was that a weak stab at lesbians? I have quite a few lesbian friends (some of whom ride), and /they/ are very feminie. Try not to take things so seriously. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 18:31:19 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Hayabusa'd helmet head Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:29:36 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01BF0C3A.EA5775A0 This below just off the Vulcan list -- Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ----------- Hello All. With all the helmet BS I have to share this true story with you. I have a friend, we'll call him JR. (6'2 & 240 lbs). JR. went and bought himself a brand new Sazuki Hayabasu whatever. = While=20 testing the limits of his bike and brain Sunday night, he managed to = destroy=20 the bike and almost himself. He lost control of his bike in a turn at about 140 mph. He blasted of = the=20 road through about 75 feet of grass, hit an embankment sailed over a = canal,=20 about 60 feet, slid some more and slammed into a concrete barrier. The impact split his full face helmet down the center and broke off = the=20 kevlar/alloy chinbar. He was taken to a local hospital were cat scans = and=20 x-ray could not locate any broken bones. After two days he was sent = home,=20 looking like a plum from bruises but walking on his own. His ridding buddies, FHP, paramedics, and a witness thought the boy = was=20 going home in a bag for sure. The only thing left from the bike is the = motor. They say God watches over fool and cops. JR. is not a cop.=20 Sometimes it's just not your day. Just the same I'll keep wearing my = full=20 face lid, even though my bike will never go 140 mph. ....name snipped = =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01BF0C3A.EA5775A0
This below just off the = Vulcan list=20 --
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750
Join the=20 AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
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Hello All.
  With all the helmet BS I have to share this = true story=20 with you.
  I have a friend, we'll call him JR. (6'2 & 240=20 lbs).
  JR. went and bought himself a brand new Sazuki Hayabasu=20 whatever. While
testing the limits of his bike and brain Sunday = night, he=20 managed to destroy
the bike and almost himself.
  He lost = control of=20 his bike in a turn at about 140 mph. He blasted of the
road through = about 75=20 feet of grass, hit an embankment sailed over a canal,
about 60 feet, = slid=20 some more and slammed into a concrete barrier.
  The impact = split his=20 full face helmet down the center and broke off the
kevlar/alloy = chinbar. He=20 was taken to a local hospital were cat scans and
x-ray could not = locate any=20 broken bones. After two days he was sent home,
looking like a plum = from=20 bruises but walking on his own.
  His ridding buddies, FHP, = paramedics,=20 and a witness thought the boy was
going home in a bag for sure. The = only=20 thing left from the bike is the motor.
  They say God watches = over fool=20 and cops. JR. is not a cop.
  Sometimes it's just not your day. = Just=20 the same I'll keep wearing my full
face lid, even though my bike = will never=20 go 140 mph.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0115_01BF0C3A.EA5775A0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 20:32:45 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: american made gov vehicles.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This requirement single handedly cut the Coast Guards premier helicopters capabilities in half... our requirement is that we buy at least 51% american.... so our Aerospatiale helos that are awesome birds from the factory, have their motors yanked out and replaced by us built ones....cuts the loading capacity down so much that we can on a lucky day pull 3 people out of the water with it... CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 20:34:48 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: time for new rubber To: Tom Gimer , "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Heyser in laurel MD did the same to me. I'll never take my bike for service there again. My friend had great experience on getting service at freestate. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > > > Avoid M.A.W. like the plague though... they are the > > Coleman Powersports > > of mail order... maybe even worse! > > I think worse. They flat out lie to you about > availability just to make the sale (in my ONE > experience with them anyway). > > > -- > tg > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 21:12:03 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 21:15:16 -0400 Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Was that a weak stab at some sort of lesbian humor? Please don;t tell me > you are one of those weak minded guys that think they are dikes on bikes or > something. I have a couple girlfriends that ride....and they are very > feminine. Jeannette included..... And I know a lot of lesbians on bikes who are very cool. And a lot big ol' queens. And straight women (like my sister!). Guess what! The ability to ride motorcycle has very little to do with who turns your head, or how masculine or feminine you are. Stop the presses! --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 21:13:29 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 21:16:44 -0400 Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Daniel > "I love women, I love women bikers, and I'd love lesbians if they > let me." Hee hee. Ever hear Lea Delaria? (really crude & really funny lesbian comic) She's covered this territory... --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 21:15:10 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 21:18:25 -0400 Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Was that a weak stab at lesbians? I have quite a few lesbian friends > (some of whom ride), and /they/ are very feminie. > > Try not to take things so seriously. I can see it now... a new group at the pride parade right after the lesbian MC club (forget the name) and Spartans MC... Lipstick Biker Lesbians? --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 21:56:25 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: harley stickers, chicks, etc was: something completely off subject line :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't have any suzuki tattoos...or anything like that... personally I didn't get any of my bikes to get or get comments from chicks... Get plenty of that anyhow, but that's a different subject ;-) (hush McCoy!!) hehehe Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 22:02:09 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Tattoos! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OMG, Bill, you should be arrested!! I laughed so hard I nearly passed out! hehehe I like your style! Collin (can ya tell I'm a day behind on the digest? lol) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 1 22:39:42 1999 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 22:33:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tattoos! Hmmm... Living in the anal rententive Commonwealth of Virginia I probably should be arrested. Remoind me to get the tattoo in an *intimate* location. I'll be a week behind. I'm hopping on the scoot and heading out for the beach tommorrow. Sun, sand, and bikinis. *snort - drool* Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > OMG, Bill, you should be arrested!! I laughed so hard I nearly passed > out! hehehe I like your style! > > Collin > (can ya tell I'm a day behind on the digest? lol) > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 00:08:14 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:05:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Harpers Ferry Pic Just a group shot of the HF trip two weeks ago. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/hf-summer99.gif _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 00:25:33 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:24:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. At 06:12 PM 10/1/1999 , cambion wrote: >On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Troutman wrote: > > Was that a weak stab at some sort of lesbian humor? Please don;t tell me > > you are one of those weak minded guys that think they are dikes on > bikes or > > something. I have a couple girlfriends that ride....and they are very > > feminine. Jeannette included..... > Was that a weak stab at lesbians? I have quite a few lesbian friends >(some of whom ride), and /they/ are very feminie. > > Try not to take things so seriously. To avoid a flame fest here, just replace 'feminine' with 'straight' in my post. I took ITM's post to mean that he thought all women on bikes were lesbians....and I was corrected. As for the "Try not to take things so seriously." - you know where you can take your suggestions.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 10:55:10 1999 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. To: John Whiteside , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Nope never heard of her,any chance I can find some of her stuff on the web? this should be good hehe. --- John Whiteside wrote: > > Daniel > > "I love women, I love women bikers, and I'd love lesbians if they > > let me." > > Hee hee. Ever hear Lea Delaria? (really crude & really funny > lesbian comic) > She's covered this territory... > --- > John Whiteside > whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 11:31:08 1999 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:27:50 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: american made gov vehicles.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Pathetic! > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > > This requirement single handedly cut the Coast Guards premier > helicopters capabilities in half... our requirement is that we buy at > least 51% american.... so our Aerospatiale helos that are awesome birds > from the factory, have their motors yanked out and replaced by us built > ones....cuts the loading capacity down so much that we can on a lucky > day pull 3 people out of the water with it... > CT > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 11:31:27 1999 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:27:44 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: crotch rocketeers To: Bill Huson , Sean Sullivan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yeah, that explains it...NOT. There are a couple of MOFOS here who remember 'Superman'. Split-head drunken dumbass we met in a Princeton, WV Applebees who gently rested his carbon fibered skull cap (god knows why he needed the carbon fiber) on the bar. Bragged about whipping up on sportbikers with his low slung (I'm Guessing) Sportster 1200. I gotta admit, his chicken stripes were impressive, even if the tire was a little narrow. But the most impressive part was the way he wacked the throttle to force as much unspent gasoline past the cracking loud straight pipes as he could. Hell, I bet the whole neighborhood was impressed with such a presentation of sound, at 3am...NOT Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 5:43 PM > To: Sean Sullivan > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: crotch rocketeers > > > He probably had his air settings out of whack and the wicked lane change > was unintentional. The reasoin why my air sponges are sitting on the > shelf and *real* shocks are on my Hawg. > > Bill > > Sean Sullivan wrote: > > > Yeah, and I liked the Harley rider who did his best > > to impress me on a straight stretch of 29 congested > > with traffic as I came back from the hills last > > weekend. Came roaring past and then yanked his dresser > > from lane to lane so hard he almost pulled the wheels > > off the ground, back and forth for no apparent reason. > > I was impressed -- I thought, "What a spaz!" > > Sean Sullivan > > > > - > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 16:03:10 1999 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:06:25 -0400 Subject: My Electrical Problems From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, after an afternoon spent playing with the bike... still no go. Cleaned all the connections, checked the main fuse... discovered a wire where the main fuse was supposed to be! A left over from the previous owner I guess. the spare had corroded away to almost dust. Put in new fuses, tried with everything clean and nice... still no go. I get very faint lights when I turn the key, but that's about it. Gonna try a fresh battery and see if that helps. It's nice day to be out in the driveway working on the bike... but it would be a nicer day for riding. Thanks to all who sent suggestions... --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 17:26:35 1999 Reply-To: "Ryan Matteson" From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Mellow Riders Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:30:26 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone here relatively new to riding?? I would like to go out riding this week or weekend but am not real comfortable yet with the roads/highways around here. I am used to < traffic in Mi. and have only been riding for 6 months. If there is anyone in this group that would like to go out riding this week let me know. Ryan From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 18:17:13 1999 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:20:27 -0400 Subject: Re: My Electrical Problems - Solved From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Well, after an afternoon spent playing with the bike... still no go. Cleaned > all the connections, checked the main fuse... discovered a wire where the > main fuse was supposed to be! A left over from the previous owner I guess. > the spare had corroded away to almost dust. Put in new fuses, tried with > everything clean and nice... still no go. I get very faint lights when I > turn the key, but that's about it. Gonna try a fresh battery and see if that > helps. It did! Everything is dandy now, and I even got motivated to adjust the slightly crooked windscreen (another leftover from the last owner). It's a pain in the butt... I understand why it was slightly crooked now. Gary Foreman suggested that it might be a shorted battery... I think he may be right. I'm assuming that when you hook a battery to a battery tender and get a green light it's charged up... which is what the old battery did... but in the bike, all it produced was a faint, faint glow in the headlight and instrument panel lights. Weird. Thanks to all who made suggestions. These things are a pain in the butt.. but I do feel a bit more aquainted with the workings of the bike now, so I guess I can call it a "learning experience." --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 19:55:26 1999 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Mellow Riders... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ryan, How's this sound... I'll teach you VA roads (since I just left there) and you can teach me Michigan roads (since it appears you recently lived here).. lol Collin (will definitely want to do some riding when I'm back that direction around thanksgiving...plan on hitting lots of the good roads) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 20:55:35 1999 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:57:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Mellow Riders To: Ryan Matteson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey Ryan, what do you ride and where are you located? If you want to ride with some (2 or 3) ninja 250 riders with about the same experience, in the college park maryland area as a starting point, let me know. Daniel --- Ryan Matteson wrote: > Anyone here relatively new to riding?? I would like to go out > riding this > week or weekend but am not real comfortable yet with the > roads/highways > around here. I am used to < traffic in Mi. and have only been > riding for 6 > months. > If there is anyone in this group that would like to go out riding > this week > let me know. > > Ryan > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 2 22:54:08 1999 X-Originating-IP: [216.164.136.56] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Parking Lots Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 22:41:20 EDT Today I got bored so I went out to a local middle school parking lot and played around a bit <30mph or so (I still had to scrub all the nubs o' shame off of my aprilia's front tire). I had a blast, because I discovered that the small oval in front of the school has a few turns that remind me of a race track (long straight into a tight left hairpin into a left-right-left S, then into a right hairpin in another parking lot). My question is, is this legal? I mean, it's public property and all, so if i crash, it's not anyone's fault (so i couldn't sue the school). No one's ever stopped me, but I wanna keep on the good side of cops, so I'll ask. (no particular reason, i just wanted to start a different thread on the listserv ) --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 00:50:47 1999 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:53:08 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:45 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >BUT ... save your tax money. Harleys are leased from the factory and the >maintenance support is cheap. And, at the end of the lease, a Harely is still >worth mucho $$$. Yep.I've seen used cop Harleys going for more than new MSRP. There's even dealers who specialise in selling old cop and shriner's bikes. As a funny aside to the national pride thing,there are actually bike clubs in Japan where all the members ride cop HD's. They even wear American cop uniforms! The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 00:54:39 1999 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:57:08 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:11:44 -0400 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Additionally, I believe that the DC police (or maybe it's the park service) >ride Honda Rebels ... Yep,DC's finest ride Rebels,Route 66's,and even XT250's. The cops I feel sorry for are the ones in that town in Georgia. They have to ride Buell S2's. :-P The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 01:05:30 1999 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:08:11 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Why Harley Then? Was: Re: Stupid Americans On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:23:16 -0400 Louis E Tweed wrote: >This one is easy folks. Status and being noticed. Why do police ride >horses? Status and being noticed. Who leads parades? Motorcycle police >or police on horses. Why? Because crowds like them. Nothing to do with >speed, comfort, very little to do with maneuverability, etc. PUBLIC >RELATIONS. Actually,I believe the reason they use horses is for crowd management. They put the cops above the crowd and add an intimidation factor. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 01:14:01 1999 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:16:46 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Cop Harley vs. XX On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:47:54 -0400 Horkster wrote: >The KZ1000-Police models are still being produced today. I >don't think the design has changed much in several years, heck, >the engine looks virtually identical to the 1978 KZ1000 LTD I >used to ride. Great bikes. At one time I was convinced they >were shafties, but they are chain drive. I swear I read a mag article about the KZ cop bikes that said they were shafties. Kawi's home page doesn't say what they are in the stats. The two pics they have aren't real good. One shows the left side of a bike and it looks like there's a rear spline bell housing on the rear wheel. Couldn't see any chain. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 01:24:48 1999 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:27:34 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Tattoos Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous >>And actually... I was thinking about getting a tattoo of the Ducati >>emblem. Of course, eveyone knows how rabid us Duc owners can be. What's pathetic is the rabid Buell owners. I've seen pics of at least two with Buell tats. Makes the classic 'flaming skull' look like a DaVinci. :-P The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 01:28:54 1999 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:31:40 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:37:35 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >And then there's me - gotta harley but no tattoo. If I ever get a tattoo it won't be >an H-D one. Methinks an artistic rendering of my woman buns up kneeling would be neat. Don't do it! Nothing jinxs a relationship like having an SO's name/likness tattooed on your body. Kiss of death dude. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 02:24:41 1999 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:27:26 -0400 From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:37:00 -0400 Bill Huson wrote: >Maybe that old 70s Suzuki ad was right. "Put something exciting between your >legs." A female-owned advertising company had an ad for women motorcyclists a few years ago. It had a woman on a Harley. The copy said,"It Vibrates". ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 02:30:44 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:30:07 EDT Subject: DC Police bikes/ Harley thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Whilst idling through traffic on Wisconsin, just short of M St., I chanced upon a DC Police Harley....trike. I can't think of anything I'd want to ride less than a Police issue, H-D trike. Ewww. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F (Give me two more Givi Maxia's, a siren and some lights....THAT's a police bike. Heh.) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 02:33:37 1999 From: "Leslie" To: Subject: Re: american made gov vehicles.... Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:32:12 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 yep, just got word that the Marine Corps (special units, not specified) are going to use the Kawi KLR650 as an assualt and communication runner bike...they are rigging them with better (U.S. made) suspension and stuff like that to get around the U.S. made thingy and eventually they are going to put on engines that will run on diesel, so they are not a logistics problem (all the other vehicles run on diesel).....anyway it looks pretty good so far and they are sending the troops to MSF and dirt riding schools....pretty neat I think...wish I got paid to ride my KLR...oh well....enjoy...Les 89KLR650, 96 Katana750, 89LT500R, 88NX250 This requirement single handedly cut the Coast Guards premier helicopters capabilities in half... our requirement is that we buy at least 51% american.... so our Aerospatiale helos that are awesome birds from the factory, have their motors yanked out and replaced by us built ones....cuts the loading capacity down so much that we can on a lucky day pull 3 people out of the water with it... Collin T. Fagan From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 10:03:49 1999 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 10:00:05 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Parking Lots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I'd say as long as you are abiding by the school speed limits you're fine. If a cop ever comes snooping around, just explain you are a 'new' rider (even if you aren't) and you want to get in some practice before facing all the crazies on the roads. BTW, I highly recommend that everyone who rides go and find an open parking lot and practice slow speed manuevers. Especially braking; in corners, panic style, in S's. At full vertical, find the limit of your bikes braking capability (front tire chirp/slide). In a bad situation on the road you will do what you have been practicing (parking lot or road). Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Mueller [mailto:k_d_mueller@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 10:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Parking Lots > > > Today I got bored so I went out to a local middle school parking lot and > played around a bit <30mph or so (I still had to scrub all the > nubs o' shame > off of my aprilia's front tire). I had a blast, because I discovered that > the small oval in front of the school has a few turns that remind me of a > race track (long straight into a tight left hairpin into a > left-right-left > S, then into a right hairpin in another parking lot). My question is, is > this legal? I mean, it's public property and all, so if i crash, it's not > anyone's fault (so i couldn't sue the school). No one's ever > stopped me, but > I wanna keep on the good side of cops, so I'll ask. > > (no particular reason, i just wanted to start a different thread on the > listserv ) > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 13:39:04 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 13:38:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: HOA Victory Some of you may remember me complaining about my HOA's MC parking regs. I live in a TH and they don't allow between spot bike parking. I wrote a well though out letter to the HOA president last summer, with no results. Until today. Today I received a Memo from the management company outlining new policies adopted pertaining to MC parking. I can park in front of or between my two parking spots without fear of towing. Not that they ever did tow, but the threat was always there...... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 14:21:44 1999 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" , "Mike T" Subject: Re: HOA Victory Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:16:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Congratulations Mike! Well done! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike T > Some of you may remember me complaining about my HOA's MC parking regs. I > live in a TH and they don't allow between spot bike parking. I wrote a > well though out letter to the HOA president last summer, with no > results. Until today. > > Today I received a Memo from the management company outlining new policies > adopted pertaining to MC parking. I can park in front of or between my two > parking spots without fear of towing. Not that they ever did tow, but the > threat was always there...... From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 14:22:43 1999 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Parking Lots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wouldn't recommend saying you're new to riding if your liscense doesn't reflect that It's a good idea though, so say your new to riding that bike and wanted to get used to it and practice for emergency situations, in a safe place rather than on the street. --- Todd Peer wrote: > I'd say as long as you are abiding by the school speed limits > you're fine. > If a cop ever comes snooping around, just explain you are a 'new' > rider > (even if you aren't) and you want to get in some practice before > facing all > the crazies on the roads. > > BTW, I highly recommend that everyone who rides go and find an open > parking > lot and practice slow speed manuevers. Especially braking; in > corners, > panic style, in S's. At full vertical, find the limit of your > bikes braking > capability (front tire chirp/slide). In a bad situation on the > road you > will do what you have been practicing (parking lot or road). > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karl Mueller [mailto:k_d_mueller@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 10:41 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Parking Lots > > > > > > Today I got bored so I went out to a local middle school parking > lot and > > played around a bit <30mph or so (I still had to scrub all the > > nubs o' shame > > off of my aprilia's front tire). I had a blast, because I > discovered that > > the small oval in front of the school has a few turns that remind > me of a > > race track (long straight into a tight left hairpin into a > > left-right-left > > S, then into a right hairpin in another parking lot). My question > is, is > > this legal? I mean, it's public property and all, so if i crash, > it's not > > anyone's fault (so i couldn't sue the school). No one's ever > > stopped me, but > > I wanna keep on the good side of cops, so I'll ask. > > > > (no particular reason, i just wanted to start a different thread > on the > > listserv ) > > > > --Karl Mueller > > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 18:54:21 1999 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:53:15 EDT Subject: **SNAKEMAN TOY RUN & HEYSER'S DOES IT AGAIN!** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Tccard@XXXXXX, VHWALLS@XXXXXX, Tophogdog@XXXXXX, SHguts@XXXXXX, Wendyrocks@XXXXXX, Fyrstorm74@XXXXXX, JSHD86@XXXXXX, easyriderddg@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, Jayeisham@XXXXXX, SwiftRebel@XXXXXX, Tuflilbabe@XXXXXX, WilbertG@XXXXXX, Travler333@XXXXXX, HarleyzMyn@XXXXXX, UnclChrley@XXXXXX, THall67@XXXXXX, SEBRADL@XXXXXX, EPPY1111@XXXXXX, barretts93@XXXXXX, MACAKITA@XXXXXX, SMitch2282@XXXXXX, WHilton361@XXXXXX, Khd93@XXXXXX, SWAMPHAGG@XXXXXX, BetyBp43@XXXXXX, KACIE691@XXXXXX, HDRider5@XXXXXX, Green60283@XXXXXX, Trainer175@XXXXXX, ShdwRdr667@XXXXXX, RUTHLEZZ@XXXXXX, R90S@XXXXXX, LIKEAMU@XXXXXX, JOSEB123@XXXXXX, beall@XXXXXX, CycleEvent@XXXXXX, boomsea@XXXXXX, fbowles@XXXXXX, LethalsLdy@XXXXXX In between flights, I had a chance to stop by Snakeman's Open House & Toy Run. Had a decent turnout, and saw some really neat vintage bikes. And, I bought more leather. Of course. As for the exotic (and painful looking) piercing, and "creative" tattoo artistry, I decided it was a wise idea not to fall asleep around any of those able to perform either. I'm convinced that they (those being the canvass of such artwork) had to be on another mental plane when agreeing to have those sensitive and tender parts pierced and/or tattooed. OUCH! One of the artists saw me checking out some of the "artwork" in the books and said, "which one would you like?" Yeah. Right. Me? I don't think so. As for Heyser's... Having heard nothing but horror stories, I thought an oil change would be a no brainer. After the service I had an oil leak. Unfortunately, it was discovered the day of Barbara's wedding, which I was supposed to ride in. Luckily Twigg's in Hagerstown is open on Saturday and discovered that the oil filter & seal were improperly installed... I tried!! I'm back to square one. I've not heard anything positive about Pete's nor Heyser's for service. Can anyone recommend a Yamaha service shop in Anne Arundel, Baltimore or PG County? I'll use Twigg's when in Hagerstown. Here's to another beautiful and safe weekend! Ride Safely, lbb From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 22:00:52 1999 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: FS: Tank Bag (Brand New) and Tail Bag (not quite new) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:00:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 My stupidity is your gain! I bought a Spartan II (by Chase Harper) magnetic tank bag 3 weeks ago, then turned around and bought a bike with a plastic "gas tank" a week later. The bag has never been used (other than putting it on the bike to check the fit). It's still got the price tag on it! The dealer wants a 15% restocking fee, and I'd rather my loss help some other rider than the dealer. The tank bag measures approximately 14" long by 10.5 inches wide by 4 inches tall. Undo one zipper, and it expands to about 6.5 inches tall. It has 4 large magnets that hold it VERY firmly, and a safety strap that goes around the steering head. It has a clear plastic, Velcro sealed map pocket on top, and a smaller Velcro'd pocket that's about the right size to hold a wallet. I paid $99, and I'd like to get the same $85 the dealer would have given back to me, plus actual shipping costs if you want me to mail it to you. The Galindo Supersport tail bag is several years old, but was used very little. It measures about 11.5 inches wide, 10 inches tall and 8 inches deep. It's black and gray, and has a Velcro sealed rear pocket in bright read for enhanced visibility from the rear. It mounts with 2 built in bungee cords. It's got a small black smudge on the red rear panel, but otherwise is in excellent condition. I'm asking $25 (plus shipping, if necessary). Please e-mail me at rmeyer@XXXXXX. ITW, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 3 22:37:48 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Any R1 / Hayabusa / TL Owners on here? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:36:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have created a CD with the Dealer Microfiche images. If you've never seen the dealer microfiche, it has all the parts listed and blow ups of components. I don't own an R1, but I have friends with them. I decided to do this since the bike is so popular. To get the CD you have to join the Owners Club, and you get the CD for free. Details with membership instructions. The format is Adobe Acrobat. YAMAHA R1 Owners (samples available) http://www.fj1100.com/r1oc.htm SUZUKI Hayabusa Owners (samples available) http://www.fj1100.com/hoc.htm SUZUKI TL1000R and TL1000S Owners (samples available) http://www.tl1000.com YAMAHA FJ1100 and FJ1200 (samples available) http://www.fj1100.com Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 06:46:10 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Bill Huson , Sean Sullivan Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: crotch rocketeers Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:45:58 -0400 It wasn't even a Sportster... it was a Fat Boy that was lowered. The best part was him riding away like a bat out of hell totally loaded of course. And yes, we did suggest that he take a cab home. Glenn >Yeah, that explains it...NOT. >There are a couple of MOFOS here who remember 'Superman'. Split-head >drunken dumbass we met in a Princeton, WV Applebees who gently rested his >carbon fibered skull cap (god knows why he needed the carbon fiber) on the >bar. Bragged about whipping up on sportbikers with his low slung (I'm >Guessing) Sportster 1200. I gotta admit, his chicken stripes were >impressive, even if the tire was a little narrow. >But the most impressive part was the way he wacked the throttle to force as >much unspent gasoline past the cracking loud straight pipes as he could. >Hell, I bet the whole neighborhood was impressed with such a presentation of >sound, at 3am...NOT From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 08:03:51 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:03:38 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Mike T CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: HOA Victory ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike T >Some of you may remember me complaining about my HOA's MC parking regs. I >live in a TH and they don't allow between spot bike parking. I wrote a >well though out letter to the HOA president last summer, with no >results. Until today. Well done! Glad to hear the "well thought out" letter made the difference. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 11:55:09 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:54:02 -0400 From: "JOE NAGY" To: "\"\"dynaryder@XXXXXX\"@internet.nonmime\"" , Subject: Re: chicks and bikes.. Content-Disposition: inline -snip- A female-owned advertising company had an ad for women motorcyclists a = few years ago. It had a woman on a Harley. The copy said,"It Vibrates". = ;-) No wonder Amy has a big grin on her face whenever she dismounts (almost = said gets off) my bikes! Joe '85 Ninja 900 (tingle) '68 H-D FLH (thud) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: =20 http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 13:07:53 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: This freakin' sigma bike computer... Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:04:34 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 My computer at work is a piece of crap and lost all my e-mail again. If anyone has a website with illustrations and helpful hints about installing one of these things, that would be keen. I'll also post a link to you on my webpage. Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 13:07:59 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: progressive is being stupid again - need new agency To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX well first progressive tries to charge 2 different rates on the same bike, and try to charge me the higher rate, so after i go through the rigamaro to have kawasaki let them know what they think is a different bike is the same bike, and they agree to charge me the lower rate, instead of rewriting my policy to reflect it, like they were supposed to, they cancelled me and didn't write up the new policy to replace it. So i was without insurance for a week or two. Good thing I checked up on it. So now they are telling me they're "rewrites" means tehy cancel the old policy and start a new policy. That doesn't sound liek a rewrite to me.. but okay.. So anyway, If I have to start a whole new policy, I'd like to go ahead and switch to a less shady, more reputable company, with competitive rates. Anyone here know of a good insurance company with good rates in Maryland, that will cover just a single bike (no car) on their policy? I've heard good things about all state and state farm, but I think one of those requires a car to be on the policy.. so anyway, if you have just a bike on your policy and a good rate, let me know who your agent is. I'd rather deal with your agent than progressive's hench persons. I ride a 92 kawasaki ex250.. I should be paying around $125 a year. I can get that from progressive, but I know other agencies will price around there too, so I'd rather NOT go with progressive. So who do you use? (agent name and # would be helpful) I'd like to make sure I talk to the right person when I call, in case someone else is uniformed that "we don't only do single bikes" or some such. btw I'm in maryland. Thanks! Daniel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 13:08:47 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:08:20 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Anyone with their TLOC CD want to give a testimonial? To: Tl1000 List , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Suzuki-L , Suzuki-bikes X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I haven't heard much from anyone! Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web 1: http://www.fj1100.com Web 2: http://www.tl1000.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 13:21:52 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: thinking of charing progressive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm thinking about taking progressive to small claims court. I was thinking of taking filing charges in small claims court against progressive for the amount whatever the maryland pentalty is of driving uninsured for 2 weeks. While they are going to reinstate my policy to reflect that I was covered, it doesn't change the facts that I told them to go ahead and switch the policy over to the new rate, and what they did was to cancel my old policy and not initiate a new policy, and I was in fact, uninsured for 2 weeks, due to their negligence. Had I been in an accident, there would have been serious complications, and maryland penalizes so these things shoudn't happen. So I think progressive should be penalized as well, as the last I spoke to them, they told me my policy would be re-written. I have no problem with the state of maryland getting the rewards of this lawsuit. I also think that maybe progressive will want to settle out of court.. Or maybe I should talk to some attorney general or someone? Anyone have any advice on where to go or whom to talk to? I really think progressives business practices should be either investigated or penalized. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 13:30:43 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:29:18 -0400 From: "JOE NAGY" To: "\"\"dynaryder@XXXXXX\"@internet.nonmime\"" , Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous Content-Disposition: inline As a funny aside to the national pride thing,there are actually bike = clubs in Japan where all the members ride cop HD's. They even wear = American cop uniforms! Yeah, man! In 1988 (damn, wuzzit that long ago?) we did a magazine ad = featuring the Yokahama Seaside Harley-Davidson Club. They looked = maaahvelous. Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 13:37:54 1999 From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Why Harley Then? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:38:40 -0400 Who makes the supply parts and provides the maintenance support? The purchase price of a vehicle is a non-recurring cost. >And sadly, the Kawi KZ1000 is a bit out of date these days. The best bike I ever had was an '82 KZ750H3 Oh well, time marches on, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ (well, kind of) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 13:56:14 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:57:14 -0400 To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: thinking of charing progressive I think I'll join in on bashing Progressive: I sold my ZX-6 in June. Upon transferring my plates to the new bike I immediately dropped insurance on the ZX-6. Progressive seems to have overlooked this fact and continues to bill me for two bikes. This is not the first time they have neglected to put a change on my policy in to effect. I know on at least one other occasion I have decreased my coverage on theft and they neglected to actually make the policy change. (I had decreased my theft coverage because the bike was sold I just wanted to hang on to the tags and Maryland requires that if you have the tags you must have the insurance) At 10:25 AM 10/4/99 -0700, Daniel aka ITM wrote: > >I'm thinking about taking progressive to small claims court. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 13:57:21 1999 From: Michael Jay To: "'Daniel aka ITM'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: thinking of charing progressive Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:57:36 -0400 Dan-The-Man writes: >I have no problem with the state of maryland getting the rewards of >this lawsuit. I also think that maybe progressive will want to >settle >out of court.. >Or maybe I should talk to some attorney general or someone? Anyone >have any advice on where to go or whom to talk to? I really think >progressives business practices should be either investigated or >penalized. Calling the Attorney General's 1-800 number should let you find out what state agency has jurisdiction over the automobile insurance. Living in Virginia I cannot provide details, but in the early 90's I worked with the Maryland Department of Insurance for another type of insurance concern where that company was licensed. Also, I lucked out big time as my representative in the Virginia House of Delegates was on the Insurance and Banking Committee which came in handy when seeking help from the State Corporation Commission who has jurisdiction over insurance companies in VA. Good luck, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 14:07:37 1999 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:09:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: thinking of charing progressive My experience with Progressive has been negative as well- I set up the policy to do a direct withdrawl from my checking account, which happens on the day the amount is due. Because I had just moved here, I voided and then gave them one of the nameless checks that you get when you sign up for a new bank account... and it did not work (there were sufficient funds- evidently, the nameless checks have different tracking numbers (at least according to the teller, who I think was just taking the easy way out))... so they cancelled my insurance. Without telling me in any form more immediate than a snail mail letter, which I received about 10 days later. I got the situation rectified- but geez- through no fault of my own, I was an uninsured motorist- what would have happened if I hit someone or my bike was stolen? Still makes me angry to think about, so I am open to finding a new company as well. Don't think I will sue them, because I don't have the time, but I feel like they are at fault in both of our cases. I signed up for Progressive over the internet- so I don't have an agent to pass along. Ned Suesse From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 14:29:51 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 14:26:17 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Small ClaimsRE: thinking of charing progressive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel aka ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > I'm thinking about taking progressive to small claims court. > > I was thinking of taking filing charges in small claims court > against progressive for the amount whatever the maryland pentalty > is of driving uninsured for 2 weeks. > > While they are going to reinstate my policy to reflect that I > was covered, it doesn't change the facts that I told them to > go ahead and switch the policy over to the new rate, > > Or maybe I should talk to some attorney general or someone? Anyone > have any advice on where to go or whom to talk to? I really think > progressives business practices should be either investigated or > penalized. Do you expect your time in court, attempting to prove you instructed Progressive to change your policy, is worth the extraction of a punitive sum? Did you write to Progressive and instruct them, or just tell them over the phone. Do you have some proof that your policy was cancelled? What was the reason? Good luck! Todd PS IMO, Progressive is the GEICO of the 90's, but it wasn't always so. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 14:34:37 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:34:33 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: thinking of charing progressive ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Daniel aka ITM >I'm thinking about taking progressive to small claims court. ... >While they are going to reinstate my policy to reflect that I >was covered, it doesn't change the facts that I told them to >go ahead and switch the policy over to the new rate, and what >they did was to cancel my old policy and not initiate a new policy, >and I was in fact, uninsured for 2 weeks, due to their negligence. Since you had no actual losses, there is nothing to sue for. Their shoddy business practices should be reported to the State Corporation Commission, who licenses corporations to do business in the state (that's the name of the Virginia one, Maryland must have a similar gov't licensing entity). Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: Daniel aka ITM Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:25:34 -0700 (PDT) I'm thinking about taking progressive to small claims court. I was thinking of taking filing charges in small claims court against progressive for the amount whatever the maryland pentalty is of driving uninsured for 2 weeks. While they are going to reinstate my policy to reflect that I was covered, it doesn't change the facts that I told them to go ahead and switch the policy over to the new rate, and what they did was to cancel my old policy and not initiate a new policy, and I was in fact, uninsured for 2 weeks, due to their negligence. Had I been in an accident, there would have been serious complications, and maryland penalizes so these things shoudn't happen. So I think progressive should be penalized as well, as the last I spoke to them, they told me my policy would be re-written. I have no problem with the state of maryland getting the rewards of this lawsuit. I also think that maybe progressive will want to settle out of court.. Or maybe I should talk to some attorney general or someone? Anyone have any advice on where to go or whom to talk to? I really think progressives business practices should be either investigated or penalized. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 14:47:39 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 14:11:32 -0400 Subject: Re: This freakin' sigma bike computer... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Um... My Sigma bike computer could never get email. Did they come out with a new model? Still, these links should help you. http://www.cgocable.net/~gmaxwell/sigma.htm http://www.reish.net/hawk/msigma800/index.html http://www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm http://www.algonet.se/~fura/MC/Firestorm/Mods/BC1200/BC1200.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: "Kirt S." My computer at work is a piece of crap and lost all my e-mail again. If anyone has a website with illustrations and helpful hints about installing one of these things, that would be keen. I'll also post a link to you on my webpage. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 14:53:41 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 14:55:01 -0400 To: From: Lisa Goddard Subject: progressive Not to defend Progressive or anything but, I have had to deal with them in a claim situation before. They were very fast, polite and easy to deal with. The whole matter was settled within two weeks including written confirmation that I did not cause the accident. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 14:58:26 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: most dangerous intersections To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX While surfing the all state site looking for a #, i came across their estimates of the msot dangerous interestions, even broken down by states. http://www.statefarm.com/media/danpress.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 15:04:24 1999 From: "Dave Cross" To: Subject: Interesting bit of code Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:11:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This was taken from "Dr. Gridlock" regarding overtaking vehicles flashing their high-beams to get a slower car to move over. He sites this bit of code: "Virginia Code Section 46.2-842.1 makes it unlawful on divided highways for drivers being overtaken by other vehicles to fail to give way to those vehicles 'upon audible or light signal.' Upon this audible or light signal, the overtaken vehicle must move right to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass. Works for me, so move over you lawless slowpokes when I flash my lights! Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 15:10:28 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Small ClaimsRE: thinking of charing progressive To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > > Do you expect your time in court, attempting to prove you > instructed > Progressive to change your policy, is worth the extraction of a > punitive > sum? Yeah, should only be a day. > Did you write to Progressive and instruct them, or just tell > them over > the phone. Do you have some proof that your policy was cancelled? I had insurance with them over the phone, and had been with them 4 months, when they were supposed to change the rate. And it was an over the phone instruction to change the rate cancel the old policy to rewrite it with the new rate. All they did was cancel. It was a verbal agreement though.. so that is shaky ground.. > What was > the reason? Good luck! They mistakenly ( I assume) thought the ex250 and 250R were different model bikes. I assume 2 different people did the underwriting. I had to prove to them they were the same bike, and that I wanted the newer evaluation, 250R rate. After a little hassle and much persistence, they finally agreed to my terms that they were the same bike and I should get the lower rate. They had some BS excuse "at the time we didn't insure sport bikes" yeah right.. both of them are sport bikes! I figure if I file suit, progressive may want to settle rather than sending one of thier idiot employees down to represent them to pay them and still possibly lose. OR I may get a judge who doesn't take kindly to insurance companies just dropping people's insurance like that, and accept the first written contract and the verbal change of contract, after all money was exchanged, and hell they were charging me 2 quarters in advance. So it seems like the down side would be I lose filing fee and a day of time... on the up side, I could be looking at $500 on up to whatever small claims court goes to. $1500 I think.. It also might teach progressive to change their policy on dumping customers insurance. I actually think it's worth it, just to have the suit filed, itself, win or lose.. it might scare those who are in charge to get their $hit together. Change their policy on notifying people when they are dropped, and change their policy on notifying when coverage is definitely into effect. I think the scare factor alone is worth it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 15:22:34 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: progressive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually, that's good to know. I was starting to think they were totaly unreasonable. When I had my first problem, they acted like the supervisors were the wizzard of oz and never let me talk to them. I have a suspicion that i'll get something in the mail from progressive that says I've been cancelled, and in a few more days, I should get something saying I wasn't cancelled.. which should be proof for a court room to support my testimony. Actually I did get a $52 refund check, but i thought it was from them over charging me, as that was what the differnce was.. I'll have to read through whatever is attatched to it more closely. I knew they had to cancel the policy to rewrite it, but I assumed when the lady agreed to re-write it, tha she actually would. Anyway thanks.. Maybe if I do file this suit, the higher ups will talk to me, and be quite reasonable, and I can just ask that they change some of their policies as part of a settlement. Daniel --- Lisa Goddard wrote: > Not to defend Progressive or anything but, I have had to deal > with them > in a claim situation before. They were very fast, polite and easy > to deal > with. The whole matter was settled within two weeks including > written > confirmation that I did not cause the accident. > > > Lisa Goddard > Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 15:38:29 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Interesting bit of code To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah but what if that slow poke is doing the speed limit? But isn't that a feel good law? You flash your lights, honk your horn, then what? citizens arrest? Call the cops and say "hey this car in front of me won't move over" Of course it also might start some road rage.. so I suppose if it did, that if they tried to say you caused it, you could retort "the laws says one can flash or give audible signal". So it obviously isn't the start of road rage, and thus would be on the other guy about who caused it. Me personally, I ride with my high beams on until I get up behind a car, like at an intersection or a steady pace on the highway. I'd like cars to see me coming, not be pissed off because I just put a blind, light spot, in their eye. My friend on his motorcycle used to ride with his high beams on, i'd look in the miror and it'd put a temporary blind spot in my eye, like when you look at a bulb or the sun, so I assume drivers would get pissed off too. I wasnt pissed off but I could see how people could be, if they took it the wrong way and it stayed in their vision. So I try to moderate it's use for appropriate times. --- Dave Cross wrote: > > This was taken from "Dr. Gridlock" regarding overtaking vehicles > flashing > their high-beams to get a slower car to move over. He sites this > bit of > code: > > "Virginia Code Section 46.2-842.1 makes it unlawful on divided > highways > for drivers being overtaken by other vehicles to > fail to > give way to those > vehicles 'upon audible or light signal.' Upon > this audible > or light signal, the > overtaken vehicle must move right to allow the > overtaking > vehicle to pass. > > Works for me, so move over you lawless slowpokes when I flash my > lights! > > Dave > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 15:44:38 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:22:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Small ClaimsRE: thinking of charing progressive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Are you an AMA member? Your motivation seems to be to strike a blow to the incompetance at Progressive. Progressive is the darling of the AMA. Tell the AMA about all this, and then dump these losers now. And like I said, good luck in court. W/o some sort of documentation to prove all this happened, you will be wasting your time. My story with Progressive: Back when they didn't have the AMA backing, they were actually a good choice for motorcyclists. They always offered the better rate (when I called around). They are now WAY to big for themselves and the typical motorcyclist (Like GIECO). Around the time they started courting the AMA for promotional purposes, my rates nearly doubled. Goodbye. Shop around people, and don't be afraid to deal with some unknowns. I have my car insured with Superior Insurance, and my bike with Universal Underwriters. As soon as some of my tickets start falling off the record, I'll go shopping again :-) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel aka ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > > Do you expect your time in court, attempting to prove you > > instructed > > Progressive to change your policy, is worth the extraction of a > > punitive > > sum? > > Yeah, should only be a day. > > > Did you write to Progressive and instruct them, or just tell > > them over > > the phone. Do you have some proof that your policy was cancelled? > > I had insurance with them over the phone, > > They mistakenly ( I assume) thought the ex250 and 250R were different > model bikes. I assume 2 different people did the underwriting. I had > to prove to them they were the same bike, and that I wanted the newer > evaluation, 250R rate. > > After a little hassle and much persistence, they finally agreed to my > terms that they were the same bike and I should get the lower rate. > They had some BS excuse "at the time we didn't insure sport bikes" > yeah right.. both of them are sport bikes! > > I figure if I file suit, progressive may want to settle rather than > sending one of thier idiot employees down to represent them to pay > them and still possibly lose. > > OR I may get a judge who doesn't take kindly to insurance companies > just dropping people's insurance like that, and accept the first > written contract and the verbal change of contract, after all money > was exchanged, and hell they were charging me 2 quarters in advance. > > So it seems like the down side would be I lose filing fee and a day > of time... on the up side, I could be looking at $500 on up to > whatever small claims court goes to. $1500 I think.. > > It also might teach progressive to change their policy on dumping > customers insurance. I actually think it's worth it, just to have > the suit filed, itself, win or lose.. it might scare those who are > in charge to get their $hit together. > > Change their policy on notifying people when they are dropped, > and change their policy on notifying when coverage is definitely > into effect. I think the scare factor alone is worth it. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 15:59:57 1999 From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M/c Insurance Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:00:44 -0400 USAA Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 16:22:37 1999 From: rcover@XXXXXX X-Sender: rcover@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:18:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Small ClaimsRE: thinking of charing progressive At 12:14 PM 10/4/99 -0700, you wrote: ...(snip) >It also might teach progressive to change their policy on dumping >customers insurance. I actually think it's worth it, just to have >the suit filed, itself, win or lose.. it might scare those who are >in charge to get their $hit together. > >Change their policy on notifying people when they are dropped, >and change their policy on notifying when coverage is definitely >into effect. I think the scare factor alone is worth it. If the money is really not the important thing, and you just want to light a fire under their corporate butt, a small claim probably isn't the best way to go. You take them to court, they can easily afford to pay someone, possibly someone with a legal backround, to go as their representative. All this minor incident would is possibly make them mad at you. IMO, a better way would be to contact the BBB or some other government agency. There's always various action lines or news agencies. Government numbers are in the book. Call your local news station and they can point you to their action line ("Fight Back" kind of thing). All these probably have web pages you could search for. I think these would work better for you. Rick From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 16:42:45 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Re: This freakin' sigma bike computer... Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:45:31 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 hehehe...now THAT would be the shit... getting e-mail while keeping accurate records of speed and distance. :-) Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 2:11 PM Subject: Re: This freakin' sigma bike computer... > Um... My Sigma bike computer could never get email. Did they come out with > a new model? > > Still, these links should help you. > > http://www.cgocable.net/~gmaxwell/sigma.htm > http://www.reish.net/hawk/msigma800/index.html > http://www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm > http://www.algonet.se/~fura/MC/Firestorm/Mods/BC1200/BC1200.html > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > From: "Kirt S." > My computer at work is a piece of crap and lost all my e-mail again. If > anyone has a website with illustrations and helpful hints about installing > one of these things, that would be keen. I'll also post a link to you on > my > webpage. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 16:47:53 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:37:16 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Interesting bit of code To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I believe this law has more to do with getting out of the way of Emergency vehicles, but I could be wrong. BTW, you can easily do the speed limit in the right lane. Road rage? I've seen it in this situation but really, the leftmost lane is the passing lane, not a place to make your stand for the current speed limits. Move over. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel aka ITM [mailto:itm_2k@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 3:42 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Interesting bit of code > > > Yeah but what if that slow poke is doing the speed limit? > > But isn't that a feel good law? You flash your lights, honk your > horn, then what? citizens arrest? Call the cops and say "hey this car > in front of me won't move over" > > Of course it also might start some road rage.. so I suppose if it > did, that if they tried to say you caused it, you could retort > "the laws says one can flash or give audible signal". So it obviously > isn't the start of road rage, and thus would be on the > other guy about who caused it. > > Me personally, I ride with my high beams on until I get up behind > a car, like at an intersection or a steady pace on the highway. I'd > like cars to see me coming, not be pissed off because I just put a > blind, light spot, in their eye. My friend on his motorcycle used to > ride with his high beams on, i'd look in the miror and it'd put a > temporary blind spot in my eye, like when you look at a bulb or the > sun, so I assume drivers would get pissed off too. I wasnt pissed off > but I could see how people could be, if they took it the wrong way > and it stayed in their vision. So I try to moderate it's use for > appropriate times. > > > > --- Dave Cross wrote: > > > > This was taken from "Dr. Gridlock" regarding overtaking vehicles > > flashing > > their high-beams to get a slower car to move over. He sites this > > bit of > > code: > > > > "Virginia Code Section 46.2-842.1 makes it unlawful on divided > > highways > > for drivers being overtaken by other vehicles to > > fail to > > give way to those > > vehicles 'upon audible or light signal.' Upon > > this audible > > or light signal, the > > overtaken vehicle must move right to allow the > > overtaking > > vehicle to pass. > > > > Works for me, so move over you lawless slowpokes when I flash my > > lights! > > > > Dave > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 16:58:42 1999 From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:57:52 EDT Subject: non-moto: accountant needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hello all, I am looking for an accountant who can help me do my taxes. As some of you already know, I have a one person home business in Maryland. I did taxes myself for the last two years, but I know I will need help next April. I use Quick Books and am diligent about entering all my transactions. I like to spend my money within motorcycle circles whenever possible, so if there is an accountant on the list who has the type of tax preparation experience I need, please e-mail me privately. It would be a big bonus if your office was near the Takoma Park/Silver Spring area. thanks, Colleen www.leatherexchange.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 17:02:16 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Small ClaimsRE: thinking of charing progressive To: rcover@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think you may be right, thanks. --- rcover@XXXXXX wrote: > At 12:14 PM 10/4/99 -0700, you wrote: > > ...(snip) > > >It also might teach progressive to change their policy on dumping > >customers insurance. I actually think it's worth it, just to have > >the suit filed, itself, win or lose.. it might scare those who are > >in charge to get their $hit together. > > > >Change their policy on notifying people when they are dropped, > >and change their policy on notifying when coverage is definitely > >into effect. I think the scare factor alone is worth it. > > If the money is really not the important thing, and you just want > to light > a fire under their corporate butt, a small claim probably isn't the > best > way to go. You take them to court, they can easily afford to pay > someone, > possibly someone with a legal backround, to go as their > representative. > All this minor incident would is possibly make them mad at you. > > IMO, a better way would be to contact the BBB or some other > government > agency. There's always various action lines or news agencies. > Government > numbers are in the book. Call your local news station and they can > point > you to their action line ("Fight Back" kind of thing). All these > probably > have web pages you could search for. I think these would work > better for you. > > Rick > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 17:34:57 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Motorcycle Leather Exchange To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Friday I finally dropped by Motorcycle Leather Exchange (http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html), run by DC-Cycles lister Colleen, and picked up a nice pair of broken-in Kushitani gloves. It's too bad I already have leathers, because MLE has a bunch of jackets, suits and other gear, including a bunch of new Joe Rocket two-piece suits and waterproof winter gloves. The prices are great and so is the service -- Colleen even talked me out of one pair of gloves after she asked me what I was looking for -- which supports what other people on the list have said about the shop. Sean Sullivan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 18:22:11 1999 From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:21:27 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Leather Exchange To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gosh Sean, thanks! I swear I didn't ask him to say that! But since he brought it up, I think I'll spam the list with a sale price (as usual, please send me e-mail if you object to this). I have about half a dozen new Joe Rocket Bulldog jackets.. They are extensively perforated and since the hot season is over, I think I'll be looking at them until about next May.... unless I put them on sale. I'm not going to put a sale price on my website, but I'd be perfectly happy to sell them to any locals who can come pick them up for $350, and I'll pay the sales tax. The curious can see them on the Joe Rocket page of my website, which is: http://members.aol.com/motorle/new.html Colleen << On Friday I finally dropped by Motorcycle Leather Exchange (http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html), run by DC-Cycles lister Colleen, and picked up a nice pair of broken-in Kushitani gloves. It's too bad I already have leathers, because MLE has a bunch of jackets, suits and other gear, including a bunch of new Joe Rocket two-piece suits and waterproof winter gloves. The prices are great and so is the service -- Colleen even talked me out of one pair of gloves after she asked me what I was looking for -- which supports what other people on the list have said about the shop.>> From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 19:02:02 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:09:29 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 USAA Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ Just don't get a couple of tickets and a minor fender bender. My insurance doubled after a minor fender bender last year (at which time they checked my driving record and found the tickets). Then it was multiplied by 1.5 when I moved to MD. I need to go in search of some cheaper insurance now. USAA is good as long as your record is also. Jay St. Peter (insurance risk and paying for it) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 20:32:32 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:35:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Stupid Americans WAS:Re: Air Suspension RE: MD Police/Nitrous From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > As a funny aside to the national pride thing,there are actually bike > clubs in Japan where all the members ride cop HD's. They even wear American > cop uniforms! > > Yeah, man! In 1988 (damn, wuzzit that long ago?) we did a magazine ad > featuring the Yokahama Seaside Harley-Davidson Club. They looked maaahvelous. There was a bit in the Post a while back about some group of descendants of former Confederates in Brazil. They have these big Civil War shindigs and apparently tend to speak English with southern accents, but when some members of the group visited the American south they were appalled by the racism they saw. Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 20:35:23 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:38:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Small ClaimsRE: thinking of charing progressive From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Or maybe I should talk to some attorney general or someone? Anyone >> have any advice on where to go or whom to talk to? I really think >> progressives business practices should be either investigated or >> penalized. > > Do you expect your time in court, attempting to prove you instructed > Progressive to change your policy, is worth the extraction of a punitive > sum? Did you write to Progressive and instruct them, or just tell them over > the phone. Do you have some proof that your policy was cancelled? What was > the reason? Good luck! Did you actually get fined for being uninsured? (Apologies if I missed something.) I don't think you can go to small claims court unless you have actual documentable damages to sue for, rather than general bad behavior. Some kind of state consumer protection (which theoretically would be under the aegis of a state's attorney general's office) might be a better bet. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 20:42:25 1999 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:45:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Interesting bit of code From: "John Whiteside" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Me personally, I ride with my high beams on until I get up behind > a car, like at an intersection or a steady pace on the highway. I'd > like cars to see me coming, not be pissed off because I just put a > blind, light spot, in their eye. My friend on his motorcycle used to > ride with his high beams on, i'd look in the miror and it'd put a > temporary blind spot in my eye, like when you look at a bulb or the > sun, so I assume drivers would get pissed off too. I wasnt pissed off > but I could see how people could be, if they took it the wrong way > and it stayed in their vision. So I try to moderate it's use for > appropriate times. You've just hit on one of my pet peeves about DC area drivers. I have never seen so many people cruising around busy, well-lit roads with their high beams on as I have around here. When I was in driver ed oh so many years ago, in Connecticut, they taught us that high beams were only for very low visibility conditions, should be turned down when someone was in front of you or approaching from the other direction, and should never be used in fog (because all the reflection actually reduces visibility). When I used to drive up to college in upstate NY, through windy unlit 2-lane roads in the Berkshires, people were excellent about all this; everyone kept their high beams on until they saw other headlights, then immediately turned them off to avoid blinding other drivers. Around here, people seem to have a "more is better" philosophy and often turn their high beams on the second it gets dark... even on well lit city streets. (Unless it's raining, in which case they don't turn them on at all.) I assume it's part of the general metro DC cluelessness about the basic operation of vehicles... people seem to have no idea how wide their cars are, how to turn a corner at more than 3 mph, or how to drive on wet streets, so why should they understand how headlights work? On the bike, I don't usually keep the high beam on, simply because I've noticed that the headlight is high enough to point right at people's mirrors, and it's very noticable. (This is for city riding, not on the highway.) I often see people adjusting their mirrors when I'm behind them with the normal beam on. The high beam seems like overkill. --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 21:14:01 1999 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:13:13 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Leather Exchange To: redsullivan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/4/1999 5:41:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: << On Friday I finally dropped by Motorcycle Leather Exchange (http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html), run by DC-Cycles lister Colleen, and picked up a nice pair of broken-in Kushitani gloves. It's too bad I already have leathers, because MLE has a bunch of jackets, suits and other gear, >> Yeah. Colleen's shop is great. I've worked a couple trades with her. My latest was a trade for the Vanson "Bones" jacket that she had on her site for a couple months. Great jacket and a lot of great comments about it. You should see the looks I get when I go into the mall. It's priceless. LOL. BTW, The Vanson one-piece that she now has on her site, purple/teal/pink/white, is what I traded her for the jacket. It's a great suit, I just didn't think I'd ever get out on a track to use it. At least not for a couple more years. Don't go on too many ride rides either. And a one-piece just isn't quite appropriate for the grocery store. I'm sure one of you racers out there should be able to find it a good home. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 23:10:28 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:13:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: To: "Jay St. Peter" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjay@XXXXXX Do you have to be in the service to use them? --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > USAA > > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ > > Just don't get a couple of tickets and a minor fender bender. My > insurance > doubled after a minor fender bender last year (at which time they > checked my > driving record and found the tickets). Then it was multiplied by > 1.5 when I > moved to MD. I need to go in search of some cheaper insurance now. > USAA is > good as long as your record is also. > > Jay St. Peter (insurance risk and paying for it) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 4 23:32:01 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:30:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: USAA At 11:13 PM 10/4/1999 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >Do you have to be in the service to use them? As a child of a retired officer, I was able to get on USAA while I was listed as a dependant. I still have it, and maintain that they are the best insurance company available. Fortunately I haven't had any accidents, so they haven't found my last ticket yet. (80 on the beltway on the VFR - going at speed with traffic and pulled by a cage cop who rides a Harley on the weekends when it is sunny out and has a chip on his shoulder about them there crotch rockets) But you didn't hear me complain about it. Do the crime, pay the fine, smile as you write the check with a memo of 'capitalism gone overboard'. I think Federal government employees can get USAA - but I am not too sure. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 01:08:51 1999 From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: ZR-7 ??? Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:06:20 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Went into Cycles USA to look for a new mount - hoping to make good use of seasonal rates and all... Saw the new Kawasaki ZR-7 - naked, 750 cc, 4 cylinder, air/oil cooled, very good looking but a bit on the heavy side (I think around 430 lbs dry). The salesman claims they got it about 4 months ago but its been out in Europe for about 2 years. I looked for reviews in the magazines I have but all I could find is the announcement of its arrival with some technical bits, but without a riding impression. Anyone know this bike ? Ridden it ? Read a report on it ? Should I wait until the new SV650 comes in November ? Niv DR650 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 01:22:23 1999 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Chicks and Bikes Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:27:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Joe, just make sure she rolls the bike outside the garage when she decides to go for a 'ride' without you.. ;) would 'protective gear' then be something to keep the paint/seat from getting messy? Ok.. I'll stop.. :P Brian From: "JOE NAGY" A female-owned advertising company had an ad for women motorcyclists a = few years ago. It had a woman on a Harley. The copy said,"It Vibrates". = ;-) No wonder Amy has a big grin on her face whenever she dismounts (almost = said gets off) my bikes! Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 01:36:02 1999 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: MLE Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:41:13 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I bought one of these jackets from Colleen (for the specified price) a couple weeks ago. I don't personally think they're 'perforated extensivly (at least not when compaired to my Vanson Pro-Perf jacket). Sorft armor, tasty styling, a zip in-out liner that does a deceint job of keeping cool early morning air out. They're NOT heavy jackets (I'm used to really thick leather - Vanson type stuff) - but I'm wearing the jacket with full confidence that it'd serve me well in at least one 'instance'.... Drop by and see Colleen - maybe you'll find a nice pair of pink and white Bates leathers that fit your 6'2" tall, 46chest, 37 waist... *chuckle* Brian McCoy - (no, not in business with her, but she's been a really nice person the entire time I've known her, and always treats listers right) I have about half a dozen new Joe Rocket Bulldog jackets.. They are extensively perforated and since the hot season is over, I think I'll be looking at them until about next May.... unless I put them on sale. I'm not going to put a sale price on my website, but I'd be perfectly happy to sell them to any locals who can come pick them up for $350, and I'll pay the sales tax. The curious can see them on the Joe Rocket page of my website, which is: http://members.aol.com/motorle/new.html Colleen From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 08:09:50 1999 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:09:46 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "John Whiteside" Subject: Highbeams [was: Interesting bit of code] ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "John Whiteside" >On the bike, I don't usually keep the high beam on, simply because I've >noticed that the headlight is high enough to point right at people's >mirrors, and it's very noticable. (This is for city riding, not on the >highway.) I often see people adjusting their mirrors when I'm behind them >with the normal beam on. The high beam seems like overkill. Generally agreed. I especially hate SUV's and other yupster vehicles who use fog lights just to look cool (and blind everyone with those wide, flat fog light beams). I use the bike's high beam in 3 situations: 1) On a very bright sunny day, when I figure I have to stand out. And my lights have to get through tinted windows and sunglasses of other drivers. 2) On a 2-lane road (so oncoming traffic can see me and not pass). 3) When I'm riding out of the sun, and oncoming traffic has to look into the sun as they drive. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 08:47:43 1999 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 05:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Small ClaimsRE: thinking of charing progressive To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > Are you an AMA member? Your motivation seems to be to strike a blow to the > incompetance at Progressive. Progressive is the darling of the AMA. Tell > the AMA about all this, and then dump these losers now. And like I said, > good luck in court. W/o some sort of documentation to prove all this > happened, you will be wasting your time. One time I checked with Progressive to see if I would still be covered when escorting a bicycle ride. The agent I spoke to said no. I then remembered an article written in AMA's "American Motorcyclist" magazine about escorting bicycle rides, and that Progressive would cover it, so I dropped an e-mail to AMA about what the agent said. About two days later I got an e-mail from one of the executives at Progressive verifying that I would still be covered and appoligizing for any confusion. So I agree with Todd, send an e-mail to AMA (whether or not you are a member, but if you are, be sure to mention it) and let them know about what happened. They seem to communicate any problems very well with the upper level folks at Progressive. Louis ===== Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 09:13:19 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:09:34 -0400 Subject: Re: ZR-7 ??? To: rdrdr , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Niv, I've read a few reviews in the British magazines about the ZR-7. Basically, they all seemed to think that the bike was very boring. Despite it's good looks (IMO), it was down on power to its competitors, and handling was less than stellar. It's an extremely good deal for the money, though. You should also remember that the writers calling the bike boring are used to riding Bimota SB8Rs and Ducati 996SPSs, so take it with a grain of salt. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: dc-cycles cc: From: rdrdr Date: 10/05/99 08:06:20 AM GMT Subject: ZR-7 ??? Went into Cycles USA to look for a new mount - hoping to make good use of seasonal rates and all... Saw the new Kawasaki ZR-7 - naked, 750 cc, 4 cylinder, air/oil cooled, very good looking but a bit on the heavy side (I think around 430 lbs dry). The salesman claims they got it about 4 months ago but its been out in Europe for about 2 years. I looked for reviews in the magazines I have but all I could find is the announcement of its arrival with some technical bits, but without a riding impression. Anyone know this bike ? Ridden it ? Read a report on it ? Should I wait until the new SV650 comes in November ? Niv DR650 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 09:43:16 1999 From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: USAA Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:44:06 -0400 At 11:13 PM 10/4/1999 , Daniel aka ITM wrote: >Do you have to be in the service to use them? http://www.usaa.com/cp_eligibility.asp Web page lists critiria and contact info. Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 11:12:32 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Motorcycle Leather Exchange Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:08:11 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 What's the address for it again. I have the one for www.newenough.com but I need the other one too. Thanks in advance. Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 11:39:53 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: "Art of the Motorcycle" Curator to speak in Gaithersburg 10-8-99 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:51 -0400 If you care, some of this was stolen from the Brit-Iron List... Dr. Charles Falco of the University of Arizona is speaking at the Nat'l Institute of Science and Technology on October 8th. This is the same Charles Falco that was one of the curators of The Art of the Motorcycle exhibition at the Guggenheim (Sp. ?) Museum (and later Chicago, and soon Bilbao, Spain). The official topic of the talk is "The Art and Science of the Motorcycle." It is slated to begin at 10:30am and will be presented in the Green Auditorium of the NIST campus in Gaithersburg, Maryland. >From http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/maps/nistmaps.html ... Directions: From Washington, D.C. take Rt. 270 North. Enter the Rt. 270 local traffic lanes at Exit 9. Take Exit 10, Rt. 117 West. Turn left at the first traffic light (Bureau Drive) and proceed through the main gate (Gate A). If coming southbound on Rt. 270, take Exit 11B, Rt. 124. West (Quince Orchard Rd.). I know the time sucks, but since I couldn't go to NY or Chicago, I'm going to make time to at least hear him speak. If the weather is nice, and the stars are in alignment, I may ride the Triumph. Hope to see some of you there. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 12:43:36 1999 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:42:35 -0400 From: "JOE NAGY" To: , "\"\"v4mofo@XXXXXX\"@internet.mime\"" Subject: Re: RE: Chicks and Bikes Content-Disposition: inline would 'protective gear' then be something to keep the paint/seat from getting messy? Nah. You just gotta time the duration of the ride correctly. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 12:50:28 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Authorized Honda service... Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:47:08 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Who in the *general* Washington DC area is a reliable authorized honda dealer. I need to take my bike in for it's 4000 mile service, and everyone is giving me outrageous prices. The users manual says... I need to have my idle speed, spark plugs, brake pads, brake fluid, and clutch inspected. I also want to have the chain adjusted (possibly a new one), and an oil change. People (ahem, Coleman powersport) are quoting me $200+ dollars when I ask for the honda 4000 mile tune up. F- that. I could do ALL of this maintenance myself if I had a torque wrench (which I don't), and I don't feel like being raped analy for piddly service. Anyone know a place I can go to that is reasonible? Also, how much do torque wrenches cost. Also also, I have Battlax BT56SS's on my bike now. The front tire is fine, the back needs a new tire. Should I stick with the BT56SS or switch to the rear D207 (what I really want on both front and back), and leave the front on, or just say f- it and by new tires for both the fron and the back... Kirt 99 F4 "soon to have pictures of a big fat smoky burnout" From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 13:06:31 1999 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:06:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: "Art of the Motorcycle" Curator to speak in Gaithersburg 10-8-99 I intend to be there, anyone else? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Crishock, Richard M, BGM wrote: > If you care, some of this was stolen from the href="http://www.brit-iron.org"> Brit-Iron List... > > Dr. Charles Falco of the University of Arizona is speaking at the Nat'l > Institute of Science and Technology on October 8th. This is the same > Charles Falco that was one of the curators of The Art of the Motorcycle > exhibition at the Guggenheim (Sp. ?) Museum (and later Chicago, and soon > Bilbao, Spain). > > The official topic of the talk is "The Art and Science of the Motorcycle." > It is slated to begin at 10:30am and will be presented in the Green > Auditorium of the NIST campus in Gaithersburg, Maryland. > > > >From http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/maps/nistmaps.html ... > > Directions: From Washington, D.C. take Rt. 270 North. Enter the Rt. 270 > local traffic lanes at Exit 9. Take Exit 10, Rt. 117 West. Turn left at the > first traffic light (Bureau Drive) and proceed through the main gate (Gate > A). If coming southbound on Rt. 270, take Exit 11B, Rt. 124. West (Quince > Orchard Rd.). > > I know the time sucks, but since I couldn't go to NY or Chicago, I'm going > to make time to at least hear him speak. If the weather is nice, and the > stars are in alignment, I may ride the Triumph. > > Hope to see some of you there. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling, VA > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 13:18:28 1999 From: knapik@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: berman@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:17:42 -0400 Subject: Re: "Art of the Motorcycle" Curator to speak in Gaithersburg 10-8 -99 Content-Disposition: inline Morris Berman wrote: >I intend to be there, anyone else? I'm trying to get the day off and hope to be there too. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 13:21:24 1999 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 13:25:57 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Authorized Honda service... To: "Kirt S." Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I trust NO dealer. Get a good torque wrench. A Craftsman runs maybe $60. I have 3 of them, 1/4" 3/8" and 1/2" Get the one that "Clicks" when the proper torque is reached. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt S. [mailto:ksenser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:47 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Authorized Honda service... > > > Who in the *general* Washington DC area is a reliable authorized honda > dealer. I need to take my bike in for it's 4000 mile service, > and everyone > is giving me outrageous prices. The users manual says... I need > to have my > idle speed, spark plugs, brake pads, brake fluid, and clutch inspected. I > also want to have the chain adjusted (possibly a new one), and an oil > change. People (ahem, Coleman powersport) are quoting me $200+ > dollars when > I ask for the honda 4000 mile tune up. F- that. I could do ALL of this > maintenance myself if I had a torque wrench (which I don't), and I don't > feel like being raped analy for piddly service. Anyone know a place I can > go to that is reasonible? > > Also, how much do torque wrenches cost. > > Also also, I have Battlax BT56SS's on my bike now. The front > tire is fine, > the back needs a new tire. Should I stick with the BT56SS or > switch to the > rear D207 (what I really want on both front and back), and leave the front > on, or just say f- it and by new tires for both the fron and the back... > > Kirt > 99 F4 > "soon to have pictures of a big fat smoky burnout" > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 13:36:43 1999 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Unverified) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:39:26 -0400 To: Morris Berman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: "Art of the Motorcycle" Curator to speak in Gaithersburg 10-8-99 >I intend to be there, anyone else? > >-Mb Seeing as I work just around the corner- I shouldn't miss it. Do we need tickets or anything to get into NIST? Look forward to meeting you- Ned Suesse From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 13:44:35 1999 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: "Kirt S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Authorized Honda service... Twasn't exactly cheap, but I was very pleased with the tune-up I got on my (ex) '96 VFR at Free State in Bladensburg 'bout a year ago. Avoid Heyser's at all costs - ended up "completing" their repair jobs myself too many times. I've also had good repair work done at Myer's in Rockville. Brian On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Kirt S. wrote: > Who in the *general* Washington DC area is a reliable authorized honda > dealer. I need to take my bike in for it's 4000 mile service, and everyone > is giving me outrageous prices. The users manual says... I need to have my > idle speed, spark plugs, brake pads, brake fluid, and clutch inspected. I > also want to have the chain adjusted (possibly a new one), and an oil > change. People (ahem, Coleman powersport) are quoting me $200+ dollars when > I ask for the honda 4000 mile tune up. F- that. I could do ALL of this > maintenance myself if I had a torque wrench (which I don't), and I don't > feel like being raped analy for piddly service. Anyone know a place I can > go to that is reasonible? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 13:49:42 1999 From: Michael Jay To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: tour update Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:50:10 -0400 Just too cool, life's hard, huh? Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:twg@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 5:50 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 13:58:59 1999 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 13:49:26 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Authorized Honda service... To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt S. [mailto:ksenser@XXXXXX] > > Who in the *general* Washington DC area is a reliable authorized honda > dealer. I need to take my bike in for it's 4000 mile service, > and everyone > is giving me outrageous prices. The users manual says... I need > to have my > idle speed, spark plugs, brake pads, brake fluid, and clutch inspected. I > also want to have the chain adjusted (possibly a new one), and an oil > change. There is no need for a torque wrench for any one of these tasks. Spark plugs seated, then 1/4 turn in. Chain adjustment bolts simply need to be locked. Unless you've been pulling wheelies again down md301, you won't need a chain. Check pad wear indicators, should have better than 1/16 inch left. Brake/Clutch fluids are relatively clear and fill the viewing window. New filter with oil. > People (ahem, Coleman powersport) are quoting me $200+ > dollars when > I ask for the honda 4000 mile tune up. F- that. Absolutely, F-that! > I could do ALL of this > maintenance myself if I had a torque wrench (which I don't), and I don't > feel like being raped analy for piddly service. Anyone know a place I can > go to that is reasonible? > > Also, how much do torque wrenches cost. You can get a decent wrench from Sears. I have three because I cheaped out on the first one (dial indicator), then needed one that could measure above 90ft#, and since I liked the click better than the dial I bought the last one to measure 5-25ft#. You will spend anywhere from $30-$90. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 14:04:00 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re:Authorized Honda service... Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:11:27 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Kirt, When I first bought my ZX9, it came with BT-50s on it. After about 300 miles I got a nail in the back tire and replaced it with a 207. Bike felt terrible with a BT50 on front and 207 in the back. It is much better with 2-207s or 2-battleaxes. I think it had to do with the 207s being much more triangular. In corners at medium speed it felt like the swingarm was loose or something (it wasn't). It was fine at slower speeds and fast pace corners. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 14:08:47 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17576 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA21388; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:10:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199910051710.NAA21388@bmdo.mcri.com> To: "Kirt S." Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:03:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Authorized Honda service... CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01c701bf0f51$43a15f40$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Home Depot sells Husky brand torque wrenches for about $16.00. Armed with that, and a factory shop manual, I do just about all of my own wrenching... Saves me big bucks. The users manual says... I need to have my > idle speed, Does it idle right w/o cutting out when you are at a light or stop? if yes, move on to next... spark plugs, Remove flairings and other appropriate parts dictated by factory manual. buy replacements, remove old ones, and with your nifty new torque wrench tighten 'em down to spec. brake pads Remove both front callipers. Disassemble brakes, and replace pads with oem or aftermarket pads of your choice. , brake fluid Drain that old stuff out being *real* careful not to get fluid on your flaring or any other painted surface. [ it eats paint like the cookie-monster eats cookies] Replace the fluid with new stuff and bleed the air out. [ this part is a pain in the ass, and might take you an hour, but its better than paying some stiff at coleman $35/hr to do it for you... , and clutch inspected. This might be more difficult. If you don't feel real comfortable doing it yourself, [ I don't like to do some things which I am totally unfamiliar with/ or has a big potential for a screw up on my part] take your bike in minus all of the flairings on the bike [ shop guys hate removing that stuff and it eats up the time they spend on fixing the *real* issue [ clutch ] at hand. > also want to have the chain adjusted (possibly a new one), Chain adustment- no sweat. 15 min. max. A do it yourself operation. Chain replacement?- Got a stand? If not, make one. I did. I made it out of 2X4's. It's not anything pretty, and it is not exactly a one man operation like those spiffy racing stands you can get for $100, [someone does need to hold the bike while I get it up there- ] but it works. Count the number of links on your chain, and buy a good aftermarket chain with some links to spare. [ I use 106 links on my bike, so I bought 110 link chain.] You may have to borrow a grinder form a friend to get the old one off, and to size the new one, but it is not difficult work, it just takes time. If you replace your chain you might want to also change your sprockets. [ people usually recommend that you change both sprockets any time you replace a chain.] and an oil change. This should'nt be too hard, if you use a factory manual as a guide. Replace the oil filter with the new oil change... People (ahem, Coleman powersport) are quoting me $200+ dollars when > I ask for the honda 4000 mile tune up. F- that. Yeah! you tell 'em! F- you Coleman! Basically, if you do each one of these things over a period of time, it should'nt be too bad. But look on the bright side, you will never have to pay for stuff that you can do yourself. -John 88 FZR 400 P.S. Detailed plans of the "Johnny no cash" bike stand can be obtained buy sending me an IOU for $0.25 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 14:28:33 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17992 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02240; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:28:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991005141252.006d498c@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:12:52 -0400 To: "Kirt S." , From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Authorized Honda service... In-Reply-To: <01c701bf0f51$43a15f40$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:47 PM 10/5/99 -0400, Kirt S. wrote: >Who in the *general* Washington DC area is a reliable authorized honda >dealer. I need to take my bike in for it's 4000 mile service, and everyone >is giving me outrageous prices. The users manual says... I need to have my >idle speed, spark plugs, brake pads, brake fluid, and clutch inspected. I >also want to have the chain adjusted (possibly a new one), and an oil >change. People (ahem, Coleman powersport) are quoting me $200+ dollars when >I ask for the honda 4000 mile tune up. F- that. I could do ALL of this >maintenance myself if I had a torque wrench (which I don't), and I don't >feel like being raped analy for piddly service. Anyone know a place I can >go to that is reasonible? Hey Kirt: Well, I don't know that any dealer is reasonable. But when I asked this question about a year ago, two names kept coming up: Manassas Honda and Leesburg Honda. Leesburg, I believe, changed owners since then, so I went to Manassas. I was completely satisfied by the quality of the work they did, but I can't compare their prices to anyone elses. HTH. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 14:32:56 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18068 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29723; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:28:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:31:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: jnewman@XXXXXX cc: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Authorized Honda service... In-Reply-To: <199910051710.NAA21388@bmdo.mcri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One thing: The bike should be cold when you replace the spark plugs. -ph On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > > spark plugs, > Remove flairings and other appropriate parts dictated by > factory manual. buy replacements, remove old ones, and > with your nifty new torque wrench tighten 'em down to > spec. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 14:52:30 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18380 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25707 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025201bf0f62$3f6e2d20$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <000001bf0f59$f785a4a0$02f929a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Subject: Tire deals Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:48:43 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 any places around here that have D207s (120 front and 180 rear) for cheap? I wanna have the stickiest tires I can get for this winters cold weather riding... Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 15:59:07 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19512 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991005200100.14633.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 13:01:00 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Motorcycle Leather Exchange To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MLE is at http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html Sean Sullivan --- "Kirt S." wrote: > What's the address for it again. I have the one for > www.newenough.com but I > need the other one too. Thanks in advance. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 16:20:10 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19897 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2KNWa08846 (3889) for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:19:19 EDT Subject: Re: Authorized Honda service... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 I have taken both my CBR and my VF for service at Leesburg Honda. (Loudoun Motorsports) I have been quite pleased with the quality and timeliness of the work, and have found the staff to be fairly pleasant. From what I understand, their service mgr. Mike is as certified by the factory as one can get. Quite knowledgable, and I always have paid less than what I would have expected. (Charged me $25 to swap the chain on the VF, and I brought my own chain in. They did it while I looked around the shop.) I like 'em. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F '83 VF750F '78 CB400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 16:21:17 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19907 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256801.00701235 ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:24:06 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Sean Sullivan cc: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256801.007010E8.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:17:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Leather Exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline or try http://www.leatherexchange.com - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Sean Sullivan on 10/05/99 04:01:00 PM To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Motorcycle Leather Exchange MLE is at http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html Sean Sullivan From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 16:43:37 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20287 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA28510; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: "Kirt S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire deals In-Reply-To: <025201bf0f62$3f6e2d20$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's some dude down at Checkers selling sets of them (yes, front and rear) for like $150. Don't ask any questions about where they came from, just hand him the cash. I don't remember who it was, but he's out every Fri & Sat night. On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Kirt S. wrote: > any places around here that have D207s (120 front and 180 rear) for > cheap? I wanna have the stickiest tires I can get for this winters > cold weather riding... -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 19:36:38 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22960 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rBFAa10034 (3703); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76c15874.252be4fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:34:22 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle Leather Exchange To: redsullivan@XXXXXX, ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 10/5/1999 4:06:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, redsullivan@XXXXXX writes: << MLE is at http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html Sean Sullivan >> Easier to remember: www.leatherexchange.com. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 19:52:47 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23203 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-117.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.117]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29344; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:52:39 -0400 Message-ID: <00e301bf0f8c$7e7e2ea0$61a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'DCC'" Subject: Re: "Art of the Motorcycle" Curator to speak in Gaithersburg 10-8-99 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:51:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Yuk. Timing is everything. Would brave cataclysm to see this but am on my way abroad (Geneva) for a few days. Off-list (maybe digest) -- will look forward to seeing any archived comments later. The NY show was a singular event. Perhaps the kind man will put his talk on the web? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Ahhh, basking in the company of Rembrandt, Picasso, . . .. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Crishock, Richard M, BGM . . .. >Dr. Charles Falco of the University of Arizona is speaking at the Nat'l >Institute of Science and Technology on October 8th. . . .. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 22:23:50 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25256 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-63.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.63]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA08391 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:23:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00f901bf0fa1$99443a80$61a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Cellphones a global earache Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:22:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BF0F80.111E6B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BF0F80.111E6B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This just came into view elsewhere (non MC). Note the extended banlist. = =20 When people are talking on a mobile phone, they're often paying less = attention than they should to what's going on around them. This can be = dangerous in certain situations, such as around building sites or =96 = particularly =96 when driving a car. One extreme case, which came to = light on the international press wire services this summer, told of a = man picked up while driving in the Israeli town of Netanya with a mobile = phone glued to each ear. The man had become so engrossed in his = conversations that he had taken to steering with his elbows =96 and was = flagged down by a policewoman who had noticed his car weaving = treacherously from side to side. While this is an exaggerated example, the use of mobile phones while = driving is considered sufficiently dangerous by many governments that it = is banned in at least a dozen countries, including Australia, Austria, = Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Portugal, Poland, the Slovak Republic, = Slovenia, Spain and Switzerland. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Not guilty. Can't talk. Yet. ("Get Gas", "Oil Low", = "Wash Me", etc. surely coming) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BF0F80.111E6B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This just came into view elsewhere (non MC).  Note the = extended=20 banlist. 

When people are talking on a mobile = phone,=20 they're often paying less attention than they should to what's going on = around=20 them. This can be dangerous in certain situations, such as around = building sites=20 or – particularly – when driving a car. One extreme case, = which came=20 to light on the international press wire services this summer, told of a = man=20 picked up while driving in the Israeli town of Netanya with a mobile = phone glued=20 to each ear. The man had become so engrossed in his conversations that = he had=20 taken to steering with his elbows – and was flagged down by a = policewoman=20 who had noticed his car weaving treacherously from side to = side.

While this is an exaggerated example, = the use=20 of mobile phones while driving is considered sufficiently dangerous by = many=20 governments that it is banned in at least a dozen countries, including=20 Australia, Austria, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Portugal, Poland, = the=20 Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain and Switzerland.

Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Not=20 guilty.  Can't talk.  Yet.  ("Get Gas", = "Oil=20 Low", "Wash Me", etc. surely coming)
Join the = AMA.  Help=20 protect my riding fun.

------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BF0F80.111E6B60-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 22:39:58 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25502 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:39:57 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6IIIzHL2X_ (4545); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.6cc71f78.252c102f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:38:39 EDT Subject: Re: Interesting bit of code To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 10/4/99 3:09:33 PM, dave@XXXXXX writes: >Works for me, so move over you lawless slowpokes when I flash my lights! LOL that's the spirit! :D now if we could only get it enforced :( Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 22:56:53 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26078 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id WAA06950 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: FSR communicators Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anybody interested in getting in on a group buy of these?? http://www.kens.com/hjc_frs/ Please note, I AM NOT THE ONE SELLING THESE. I just pulled the info down off the web onto my page. I don't know the final price, but the more people that get in on it, the lower the price is going to be. email hjc_frs_group_buy@XXXXXX if you are interested. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 5 23:51:50 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26992 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2j6q4 (209-122-214-25.s279.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.25]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA19504 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701bf0fc6$d009aee0$19d67ad1@m2j6q4> From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: ZR-7 thanks Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:48:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 To all who replied - thanks. I'll check around for a SV650 and maybe talk my dealer into letting me take the ZR for a ride. There's also a 95' M900 for sale in Va. which I need to take a look at.... Thats it. Niv DR650 DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 07:43:03 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04700 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:41:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199910060741.AA123666848@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Jerk in a Lexus X-Mailer: Riding home on I-66 yesterday, left lane, moving with traffic. Right lane has an opening in it and a black Lexus sedan comes up in it. By the time he gets beside me he's 2 feet into my lane, while reading a newspaper. I sound my horn and move further to the left. He goes back in his lane, accelerates ahead of me, wedges his way in, and appears to make a hand sign at me. Whatever. I slow down and re-establish following distance. I notice that his car is tagged in DC (no. 473-125) and he appears to be going home - so he may be a tax cheat. I notice he's the lone occupant of the car in HOV lanes, so he's a scofflaw, too. Whatever. Gradually the left lane slows and my exit is coming up, I move to the right lane. The right lane is now faster so I'm about to go past the Jerk in a Lexus. About the time I get even with his back bumper, he deliberately moves over the center line and blows his horn twice. I put lots of distance between me and him. So if anybody sees a middle-aged white guy in a black Lexus sedan, with DC tags 473-125, either stay away or go kick his doors in. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 07:58:48 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com (e2.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04907 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA271668; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:58:05 -0400 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.05) with SMTP id HAA16558; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:58:32 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256802.0041CB34 ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:58:38 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256802.0041C921.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:58:32 -0400 Subject: Jerk in a Lexus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Its amazing how many jerks there are out there (and how well you are taking it). Too bad there isn't some way to get these clowns off the road. Chris Norloff wrote in part: >>Riding home on I-66 yesterday, left lane, moving with traffic. Right lane has an >>opening in it and a black Lexus sedan comes up in it. By the time he gets beside me >>he's 2 feet into my lane, while reading a newspaper. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 09:07:35 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05896 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA00146 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991006090856.007a63a0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:08:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: guilty Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I admit it, I am guilty. While sitting in traffic on an exit ramp this morning I spied a bike about 50 cars ahead of me. Time to split. Had a delightful ride in with a gentleman on a Yamaha who was headed to the Naval Observatory. :) Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 09:14:40 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06005 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02707; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D885A@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Kirt S.'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Authorized Honda service... Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:15:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What impact to the warranty must you consider? You will have a "gimmie" defense in the event of a major part failure if the "authorized" mechanic has been the only one to work on it during the warranty period, otherwise, I guess you keep the receipts for parts and consumables. However, my Haynes manual has paid for itself many times over. Also, I have slummed torque wrenches and metric socket attachments for some time until I can afford a real set of tools to maintain my "high-dollar" bike (insert tongue in cheek here). Still I wish that the Diversion (XJR1300) was imported here as shown on a Netherlands Diversion riders club web side (drool). Mike '82 XJ750RJ From: Kirt S. [mailto:ksenser@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:47 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Authorized Honda service... >Who in the *general* Washington DC area is a reliable authorized honda >dealer. I need to take my bike in for it's 4000 mile service, and everyone >is giving me outrageous prices. The users manual says... I need to have my From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 10:23:04 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07066 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA05592; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:22:16 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008073; Wed, 6 Oct 99 09:54:05 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJ6001QWPFTQ9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256802.004C3FC7 ; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:52:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:51:21 -0400 Subject: Jerk Story (was Jerk in a Lexus) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256802.004C33F8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I've got another Jerk story for you. A couple of weeks ago, I was riding home from work on I-66 west between Centreville and Manassas. I was in the HOV lane, and traffic was extremely heavy, including my own lane. At one point I noticed that the guy behind me was alone in his truck, some sort of lawn service vehicle. As we passed one of the HOV signs, I looked around at him and pointed at the sign. I didn't know if he just wasn't aware of the HOV restriction or just a Jerk. This was soon sorted out for me. As traffic came to a halt in all lanes of traffic, the truck pulled off to the left, next to me in the breakdown lane. The driver jumped out, approached me and yelled "You got a problem with my driving?!" I flipped up my faceshield and told him that he was in an HOV lane. His ill-thought-out response was "Well I pay my taxes too. I'm gonna drive in this lane if I want." I said "Well, you can tell that to the police officer when you get stopped." To my suprise, he then fumed off back to his truck (maybe he saw the futility in punching someone with a helmet on). Traffic started moving, so I pulled away and got several cars between us before he merged back in. In retrospect, and with the illustration of the guy who died on 66 recently, I should never have pointed at the sign. I should have just gone about my way, letting karma and the police deal with the idiots out there. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From: Chris Norloff Riding home on I-66 yesterday, left lane, moving with traffic. Right lane has an opening in it and a black Lexus sedan comes up in it. By the time he gets beside me he's 2 feet into my lane, while reading a newspaper. [snip] ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 10:27:58 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07164 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16888; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012d01bf1007$5c4e15e0$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <199910060741.AA123666848@piglet.toward.com> Subject: Re: Jerk in a Lexus Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:30:38 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 ASP folding baton. Works wonders in cases like these... The second someone deliberately starts messing with me, I have no qualms about knocking in a window, or denting the shit out of someones door. If they are willing to endanger my life by puposefully merging into my lane, cutting me off, or otherwise, me causing a little bit a damage to their car is always fun. And for you safety nuts, you don't have to do it while moving, just make sure your're next to them at the next traffic light, and casually bash the shit out of their car right before the light changes. then, zoom zoom. Kirt 99 F4 "hates cagers in general" ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: List-dc cycles Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 7:41 AM Subject: Jerk in a Lexus > Riding home on I-66 yesterday, left lane, moving with traffic. Right lane has an opening in it and a black Lexus sedan comes up in it. By the time he gets beside me he's 2 feet into my lane, while reading a newspaper. > > I sound my horn and move further to the left. He goes back in his lane, accelerates ahead of me, wedges his way in, and appears to make a hand sign at me. > > Whatever. I slow down and re-establish following distance. I notice that his car is tagged in DC (no. 473-125) and he appears to be going home - so he may be a tax cheat. I notice he's the lone occupant of the car in HOV lanes, so he's a scofflaw, too. Whatever. > > Gradually the left lane slows and my exit is coming up, I move to the right lane. The right lane is now faster so I'm about to go past the Jerk in a Lexus. About the time I get even with his back bumper, he deliberately moves over the center line and blows his horn twice. I put lots of distance between me and him. > > So if anybody sees a middle-aged white guy in a black Lexus sedan, with DC tags 473-125, either stay away or go kick his doors in. > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 10:56:50 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07614 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:56:48 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA06813; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:56:31 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa12920; Wed, 6 Oct 99 09:58:23 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJ6003HIPML6M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256802.004CA090 ; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:56:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:56:16 -0400 Subject: RE: Authorized Honda service... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256802.004C95B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Mike, The Diversion in Europe is known as the Yamaha Seca II here in the U.S. In Europe, they get a 900cc version of it in addition to the 600cc basic model. Perhaps you're mixing up your bikes, as I think the XJR1300 is a different bike than the XJ600 and XJ900 Diversions. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 former '92 Seca II owner From: Michael Jay Still I wish that the Diversion (XJR1300) was imported here as shown on a Netherlands Diversion riders club web side (drool). ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 11:00:19 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07730 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:59:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Camping in Boyer, WV Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:59:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain This summer Anita Lauro posted messages re camping and motorcycling in Boyer, WV. I tried e-mailing Anita but the message bounced. Does anyone have the name of the campground? Phone number ??? "From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:46:48 -0400 Subject: Repost: Camping Trip 7/9-7/12 When: Friday, July 9th through Monday, July 12th. You don't have to come down for all four days. It's only 200 miles from the DC area to Boyer, so you could easily knock a day off either end. It's also close enough to come home if the weather turns rainy. Cost: $8/night for camping The campground was very nice.. not a lot of shade, but the camping area is level and grassy. The bathrooms were very clean.. surprisingly nice for a campground. There is a restaurant on-site with *great* food, and it's open from 8 am to 8 pm. " From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 11:45:09 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08361 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA20163 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:45:02 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:25:00 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF0FED.6D810120.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Jerk in a Lexus Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:24:59 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone remember the James Bond flick where the assassins had small rocket launchers on the front wheel hubs of their bikes? Seems like a great enforcer. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - parking stop to a &)*%&( Ford Escort AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 7:42 AM To: List-dc cycles Subject: Jerk in a Lexus Riding home on I-66 yesterday, left lane, moving with traffic. Right lane has an opening in it and a black Lexus sedan comes up in it. By the time he gets beside me he's 2 feet into my lane, while reading a newspaper. I sound my horn and move further to the left. He goes back in his lane, accelerates ahead of me, wedges his way in, and appears to make a hand sign at me. Whatever. I slow down and re-establish following distance. I notice that his car is tagged in DC (no. 473-125) and he appears to be going home - so he may be a tax cheat. I notice he's the lone occupant of the car in HOV lanes, so he's a scofflaw, too. Whatever. Gradually the left lane slows and my exit is coming up, I move to the right lane. The right lane is now faster so I'm about to go past the Jerk in a Lexus. About the time I get even with his back bumper, he deliberately moves over the center line and blows his horn twice. I put lots of distance between me and him. So if anybody sees a middle-aged white guy in a black Lexus sedan, with DC tags 473-125, either stay away or go kick his doors in. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 12:17:34 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08762 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04975; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:15:25 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D885D@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha Diversion vs XJR Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:15:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Looks like you've got it pegged. http://www.xs4all.nl/~kimkodde/ydcn.html Ok, so 900cc then, yippie!! The 1200 and 1300 are just XJR http://www.dropbears.com/m/models/yamaha/xjr1399.htm http://www.dropbears.com/m/models/yamaha/xjr1299.htm Oh well, the States get the Yamaha whatevers, something between a "harley-wanna-be" (read RoadStar) and a "figher plane on two wheels" (read SuperSport) would be nice from Yamahopper. Looks like Bandit or ZR-7 is the only offering Stateside. Although, the Nighthawk might be an option. So much for the global marketplace. Mike '82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:56 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Authorized Honda service... Mike, The Diversion in Europe is known as the Yamaha Seca II here in the U.S. In Europe, they get a 900cc version of it in addition to the 600cc basic model. Perhaps you're mixing up your bikes, as I think the XJR1300 is a different bike than the XJ600 and XJ900 Diversions. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 former '92 Seca II owner From: Michael Jay Still I wish that the Diversion (XJR1300) was imported here as shown on a Netherlands Diversion riders club web side (drool). ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 12:37:05 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09058 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:36:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Authorized Honda service Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:36:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain "Kirt S." asked,"Who in the *general* Washington DC area is a reliable authorized Honda dealer. I need to take my bike in for it's 4000 mile service . . . Several years ago MCN did a reader survey. IIRC, Freestate rated well; Coleman didn't. If you don't have to have "Authorized Honda" service, buy a Clymers/Haynes and do those things yourself. You'll be richer but, more important, knowledgeable about your steed. "Also, how much do torque wrenches cost." For clickers, the Husky at Home D is identical to the Craftsman and ~$15 cheaper. Some folks argue against using clickers on Al engines and use benders. Benders are cheaper. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 14:38:56 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10901 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA26784 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: FSR communicators (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anybody??? (did this even come thru last night??) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: FSR communicators Anybody interested in getting in on a group buy of these?? http://www.kens.com/hjc_frs/ Please note, I AM NOT THE ONE SELLING THESE. I just pulled the info down off the web onto my page. I don't know the final price, but the more people that get in on it, the lower the price is going to be. email hjc_frs_group_buy@XXXXXX if you are interested. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 14:58:12 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11248 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01293; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:56:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991006145605.015b0df0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:56:52 -0400 To: Ken Woods From: Troutman Subject: Re: FSR communicators (fwd) Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I saw it last night, but I didn't have time to respond. I'm in on buying one, but I need to charge it, so I will be buying separate..... At 02:38 PM 10/6/99 , Ken Woods wrote: >Anybody??? > >(did this even come thru last night??) > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: Ken Woods >To: dc-cycles >Subject: FSR communicators > > >Anybody interested in getting in on a group buy of these?? > >http://www.kens.com/hjc_frs/ > >Please note, I AM NOT THE ONE SELLING THESE. I just pulled the info down >off the web onto my page. I don't know the final price, but the more >people that get in on it, the lower the price is going to be. > >email hjc_frs_group_buy@XXXXXX if you are interested. > > >-- >Ken Woods >kwoods@XXXXXX >acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org God, help me to consider people's feelings, even if most of them are hypersensitive. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 15:23:26 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11675 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FJ700BHU4HQ0J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:22:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA14394 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 19:18:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.249.2]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991006192238.PQNJ18943@toddnt> for ; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 19:22:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:19:45 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: FSR communicators (fwd) In-reply-to: To: dc-cycles Message-id: <000301bf102f$bfa28630$02f929a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Have you inquired as to the number of units it would take to receive a discount, and what that discount would be? My personal feeling is, if it is a decent enough discount, and a purchase is imminent (enough interest), I'd probably buy-in. I know that doesn't help the cause, but I'm probably more interested in a CB-Radio set-up anyway. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:39 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: FSR communicators (fwd) > > > > Anybody??? > > (did this even come thru last night??) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ken Woods > To: dc-cycles > Subject: FSR communicators > > > Anybody interested in getting in on a group buy of these?? > > http://www.kens.com/hjc_frs/ > > Please note, I AM NOT THE ONE SELLING THESE. I just pulled the info down > off the web onto my page. I don't know the final price, but the more > people that get in on it, the lower the price is going to be. > > email hjc_frs_group_buy@XXXXXX if you are interested. > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 15:49:34 1999 Return-Path: razzsounds@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f153.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12161 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94067 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 1999 19:49:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19991006194900.94066.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.140 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:49:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.140] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FSR communicators (fwd) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:49:00 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have one already. I have a group of friends that I ride with and we all use and LOVE them! I contacted Chatter-Box directly and worked out a package deal for up-grading to the new 2 mile range models. Thanks for the offer tho, Razz 99 ZX9R 77 KZ650 MINT(for sale) 83 LTD 440 > >Anybody??? > >(did this even come thru last night??) > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: Ken Woods >To: dc-cycles >Subject: FSR communicators > > >Anybody interested in getting in on a group buy of these?? > >http://www.kens.com/hjc_frs/ > >Please note, I AM NOT THE ONE SELLING THESE. I just pulled the info down >off the web onto my page. I don't know the final price, but the more >people that get in on it, the lower the price is going to be. > >email hjc_frs_group_buy@XXXXXX if you are interested. > > >-- >Ken Woods >kwoods@XXXXXX >acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 16:08:01 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12497 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA00226; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: FSR communicators (fwd) In-Reply-To: <000301bf102f$bfa28630$02f929a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In QTY 20, we get them for $119, with an "extra audio cable" (whatever that means) Right now, I've got like 7 people that have said "yes, and I've got money in hand" After this weekend, I anticipate having at least 20. On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Have you inquired as to the number of units it would take to receive a > discount, and what that discount would be? > > My personal feeling is, if it is a decent enough discount, and a purchase is > imminent (enough interest), I'd probably buy-in. I know that doesn't help > the cause, but I'm probably more interested in a CB-Radio set-up anyway. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:39 PM > > To: dc-cycles > > Subject: FSR communicators (fwd) > > > > > > > > Anybody??? > > > > (did this even come thru last night??) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Ken Woods > > To: dc-cycles > > Subject: FSR communicators > > > > > > Anybody interested in getting in on a group buy of these?? > > > > http://www.kens.com/hjc_frs/ > > > > Please note, I AM NOT THE ONE SELLING THESE. I just pulled the info down > > off the web onto my page. I don't know the final price, but the more > > people that get in on it, the lower the price is going to be. > > > > email hjc_frs_group_buy@XXXXXX if you are interested. > > > > > > -- > > Ken Woods > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 16:55:19 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13194 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FJ70064F8R0RL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:54:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA24929; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:54:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.249.2]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991006205435.RKAF18943@toddnt>; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:54:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:51:42 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: FSR communicators (fwd) In-reply-to: To: Ken Woods , Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <000701bf103c$97c4c300$02f929a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Does anyone know if this unit will fit a Shoei Duotec or Syncrotec? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 4:08 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: RE: FSR communicators (fwd) > > > > In QTY 20, we get them for $119, with an "extra audio cable" (whatever > that means) > > > Right now, I've got like 7 people that have said "yes, and I've got money > in hand" After this weekend, I anticipate having at least 20. > > > > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > > Have you inquired as to the number of units it would take to receive a > > discount, and what that discount would be? > > > > My personal feeling is, if it is a decent enough discount, and > a purchase is > > imminent (enough interest), I'd probably buy-in. I know that > doesn't help > > the cause, but I'm probably more interested in a CB-Radio set-up anyway. > > > > Todd > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:39 PM > > > To: dc-cycles > > > Subject: FSR communicators (fwd) > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody??? > > > > > > (did this even come thru last night??) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: Ken Woods > > > To: dc-cycles > > > Subject: FSR communicators > > > > > > > > > Anybody interested in getting in on a group buy of these?? > > > > > > http://www.kens.com/hjc_frs/ > > > > > > Please note, I AM NOT THE ONE SELLING THESE. I just pulled > the info down > > > off the web onto my page. I don't know the final price, but the more > > > people that get in on it, the lower the price is going to be. > > > > > > email hjc_frs_group_buy@XXXXXX if you are interested. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Woods > > > kwoods@XXXXXX > > > acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. > > > > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 17:47:32 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web121.yahoomail.com (web121.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA14001 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991006214836.27520.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.198.176] by web121.yahoomail.com; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:48:36 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Camping in Boyer, WV To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Campground:Boyer Station (I have no telephone number) Herb '94 Magna --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > This summer Anita Lauro posted messages re camping and motorcycling in > Boyer, WV. > I tried e-mailing Anita but the message bounced. > Does anyone have the name of the campground? > Phone number ??? > > "From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:46:48 -0400 > Subject: Repost: Camping Trip 7/9-7/12 > When: Friday, July 9th through Monday, July 12th. > You don't have to come down for all four days. It's only 200 miles from the > DC area to Boyer, so you could easily knock a day off either end. It's also > close enough to come home if the weather turns rainy. > Cost: $8/night for camping > The campground was very nice.. not a lot of shade, but the camping area is > level and grassy. The bathrooms were very clean.. surprisingly nice for a > campground. There is a restaurant on-site with *great* food, and it's open > from 8 am to 8 pm. > " > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 18:03:49 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14278 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991006220634.1511.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.70.70.165] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:06:34 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:06:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: This freakin' sigma bike computer... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of bike computers, I have a sigma BC700 bike computer that I never installed (I later got a GPS which has a lot of the same information). Along with the computer, I got the "rear wheel" mount which basically extends the wire from the wheel to the computer to a longer distance since on the Concours it would have been too long for the stock wire to reach the front wheel otherwise. Depending on your motorcycle you may need it too. The total cost was $35 It's never been installed. Does anyone want it for $20? Louis --- christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Um... My Sigma bike computer could never get email. Did they come out with > a new model? > > Still, these links should help you. > > http://www.cgocable.net/~gmaxwell/sigma.htm > http://www.reish.net/hawk/msigma800/index.html > http://www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm > http://www.algonet.se/~fura/MC/Firestorm/Mods/BC1200/BC1200.html > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > From: "Kirt S." > My computer at work is a piece of crap and lost all my e-mail again. If > anyone has a website with illustrations and helpful hints about installing > one of these things, that would be keen. I'll also post a link to you on > my > webpage. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 18:17:19 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14465 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (ip125.laurel4.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.238.125]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA37822; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:08:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamer@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199910061408.HAA37822@smtp2.abac.com> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:20:09 -0400 To: Nomad , From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: Camping in Boyer, WV In-Reply-To: <19991006214836.27520.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The phone number for Boyer Motel/Restaurant/Camp Grounds is 304-456-4667. Enjoy! Dawn At 02:48 PM 10/6/1999 -0700, Nomad wrote: >Campground:Boyer Station >(I have no telephone number) >Herb >'94 Magna > >--- "Custer, Carl" wrote: >> This summer Anita Lauro posted messages re camping and motorcycling in >> Boyer, WV. >> I tried e-mailing Anita but the message bounced. >> Does anyone have the name of the campground? >> Phone number ??? >> >> "From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> >> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:46:48 -0400 >> Subject: Repost: Camping Trip 7/9-7/12 >> When: Friday, July 9th through Monday, July 12th. >> You don't have to come down for all four days. It's only 200 miles from the >> DC area to Boyer, so you could easily knock a day off either end. It's also >> close enough to come home if the weather turns rainy. >> Cost: $8/night for camping >> The campground was very nice.. not a lot of shade, but the camping area is >> level and grassy. The bathrooms were very clean.. surprisingly nice for a >> campground. There is a restaurant on-site with *great* food, and it's open >> from 8 am to 8 pm. >> " >> >> > > >===== > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > _____________________________ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 19:51:20 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15863 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991006235411.16475.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:54:11 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tire Deals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What did you base that D207 is the stickiest tire out there on?? It may well be, but I've never seen anythign saying one tire was stickier than the other... Personally, I think dunny's are a much better dry/fair weather tire... Their triangular profile just doesn't feel very good in cold/wet/crappy riding conditions...The Bridgestone's look like they would be much better at shedding water and I've heard they are good riding tires...(Their race tires seemed to do real well this season). From personal experience, the Avon's also did very well in the wet and other winter conditions... Michelin's also appear to be a better fair weather tire... lots of people this season told me the Pilots were downright scary when it got wet... oh well.. ramble mode off... Collin ps: its fooking cold here in MI!!! and derivation of equations of motion for ocean dynamics sucks ass!!! lol ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 19:58:59 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15953 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007000143.18204.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 17:01:42 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton and loving it ;-) Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS considered a concealed weapon same as a gun in all the three locals..(and most anywhere else.... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 19:59:22 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15963 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Z0xh-0004mc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:59:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ON an interesting side note I ran into a DC-Cycles lister today at a gas station in Panama City Florida. I believe he said his name was Raymond Moran and he raced and SV with Team DC-Cycles at Summit Point. Verry cool. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 20:11:30 1999 Return-Path: desc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16152 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivehll.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.70.181]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA15251 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004201bf1059$0d50dc00$cc7afea9@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Paint Job Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:15:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF1037.85B153E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF1037.85B153E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know a decent place around Rosslyn where I could get my bike = painted? 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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF1037.85B153E0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 20:11:28 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16149 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.129.186]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:56:00 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirt S." , Subject: RE: Authorized Honda service... Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:59:09 -0400 Message-ID: <005101bf1056$c7f33560$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01c701bf0f51$43a15f40$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Normally, I would slander AC&P to beat hell. But, after having bought two derelict bikes from one of their wrenches, I get decent work anymore. I don't think he's got any other bikes to sell, so I don't know that that tactic will work again. Sorry:) If you are only in need of a torque wrench to do your own service, go ahead and do it. You can get an acceptable one from any Sears. If you can find a Snap-On truck, you can find them. Ditto for Mac, etc. My take on Snap-On vs. Craftsman: I do my wrenching on Sundays. I live a 15 minute walk from Sears. 2 minutes by cage or bike. If I break something on my wrenching day, I can get it replaced FAST. I reliably see the Snap-On truck on Mondays at the Pep Boys near where I work. Mac is on Tuesday. I'm too impatient to wait the extra day and pay the extra money. Also, should I be on the road, I want a tool I can replace in just about any town in the US. Sure, you can do that with the Snap-On stuff, but good luck finding a truck on the road. Of course, they might offer internet purchasing these days. In any case, you are going to spend between $100 and $200 for a torque wrench. By the time you add in oil, filters, etc... you are going to spend at least the $200 they quoted you, if not more. But, the next time you need a service, you'll come out ahead. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 6 21:23:34 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send501.yahoomail.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA17330 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007012337.24169.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.183] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:23:37 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:23:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Deals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > What did you base that D207 is the stickiest tire > out there on?? It may well be, but I've never seen > anythign saying one tire was stickier than the > other... Personally, I think dunny's are a much > better dry/fair weather tire... > Their triangular profile just doesn't feel very good > in cold/wet/crappy riding conditions... I've heard D207s aren't the best cold weather tires as well. Something about being tough to keep heated up. Who knows. I've yet to spend a winter on D207s....but my prior MEZ1/Z2 (or Z4) setup was great in the colder months. > The Bridgestone's look like they > ps: its fooking cold here in MI!!! It's fooking cold here too! High in the mid-50s tomorrow. WTFIUWT? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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--------------1B177BD30DBA009C6CD2889E-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 01:04:14 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA20642 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:04:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2GCFa29634 (3995) for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.c4e6363.252d83a2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:03:30 EDT Subject: $9,000 RC45 story....believe it, or not? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 http://rvators.com/rc45/ Wow. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 05:02:12 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA24881 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 05:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007090801.29480.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.110] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:08:01 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:08:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reminds me of that game Road Rash. Cool game. As is multiplayer super bike by ea sports. --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton and loving it > ;-) > Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS considered a > concealed > weapon same as a gun in all the three locals..(and most anywhere > else.... > > Collin > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 05:04:14 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA24891 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 05:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007091003.22531.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.110] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:10:03 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "What officer? this here baton? I use it against agressive dogs who appear out of no where right after i step off my bike" :) --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton and loving it > ;-) > Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS considered a > concealed > weapon same as a gun in all the three locals..(and most anywhere > else.... > > Collin > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 07:55:38 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28116 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007120121.17292.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.110] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 05:01:21 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 05:01:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Motorcycle accident servey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey I was browsing Deja news and found this MC accidents servey. http://x34.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=472958138&CONTEXT=939290585.449380463&hitnum=23 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 08:05:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28357 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:05:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199910070805.AA170590694@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: For Sale - 1989 BMW K100LT (ABS) X-Mailer: For sale- ************************** 1989 K100LT Dark Blue, 87K mi., $4,900. Anti-Lock Brakes. All new splines (clutch, input shaft, drive shaft, final drive). New battery, tires, and seat. Radio/cassette, factory alarm, saddlebags & trunk, 2 extra windshields, K-Heat guards. Chris, Falls Church, VA (703)534-1510, chris@XXXXXX ************************** thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 08:09:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28521 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:09:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199910070809.AA171311590@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: For Sale - 1994 Yamaha Virago 535 Special X-Mailer: For sale- ************************** 1994 Yamaha Virago 535 Special (XV535S). Burgundy & silver, with chrome. 5,000 mi. New rear tire and battery. Excellent condition. $2,900. Chris, Falls Church, VA (703)534-1510, chris@XXXXXX ************************** thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 08:15:19 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28933 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:15:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199910070815.AA114426284@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: For Sale - ProTech black leather chaps X-Mailer: For sale- ************************** ProTech chaps. Black, size XL (for up to about a 40-42 in. waist). Legs never trimmed, and plenty long for my 34 in. inseam. Brass belt buckle in front, leather lacing in back to adjust waist size. Brass zipper on the outside of each leg. Heavy-weight motorcycle-grade leather. Good condition. $50. Chris, Falls Church, VA (703)534-1510, chris@XXXXXX ************************** thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 08:23:17 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29088 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007122346.21748.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 05:23:46 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 05:23:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He he he.. I wish it were that easy.. then I'd say the same for any one of my guns...ASP baton is considered completely equal to carrying a gun in many states. The one reason that I do carry it over a gun most places; however, is becuase for an officer that might on off chance get a glimpse of it, it looks like a mini mag flashlight, whereas a gun is pretty obviosly a gun. CT --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > "What officer? this here baton? I use it against agressive dogs who > appear out of no where right after i step off my bike" > > :) > ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 09:11:40 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29716 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09231 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991007090853.0081f740@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:08:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Re: Motorcycle accident servey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:01 AM 10/7/99 -0700, Daniel aka ITM wrote: >Hey I was browsing Deja news and found this MC accidents servey. > >http://x34.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=472958138&CONTEXT=939290585.449380463&hitn um=23 I was involved in an accident a few years ago in Greenbelt Md. A car, approaching from my left, ran the light as I was entering the intersection to turn left. Fortunately, I saw his rate of speed was not slowing, so I did. This allowed me to hit his rear quarter instead of visa-versa and I just plopped around his bumper as he continued on. I was 20 min late for work that day. The bike: well, it needed a new front end. I fixed it and rode it for a few more years before selling it for the '97 VFR. I learned the hard way: always seek witnesses at the crash scene! The driver did stop and was apologetic but the police didn't show for about 10 minutes. Their plea was they didn't see it so they couldn't determine any violation; even though the driver seemed to confess. This didn't go well with insurance when trying to collect damages. I was pissed! Regards, Bob 97 VFR HRCA #934354 USCF #0148806 (for you bicycle enthusiasts) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 09:36:24 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00204 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007133613.6709.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.212] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 06:36:13 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: Daniel aka ITM , "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 3 yrs is what that dog-beater can get you....we'll all come and visit though. --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > "What officer? this here baton? I use it against > agressive dogs who appear out of no where right > after i step off my bike" > > :) > > --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton > > and loving it ;-) > > Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS > > considered a concealed weapon same as a gun in all > > the three locals..(and most anywhere else.... > > > > Collin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 11:46:47 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01953 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17913 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: NIST M/C Talk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I will get to NIST around 10:15 for this presentation. I will hang around near the auditorium door and be wearing a black Champion baseball hat (that I don't normally wear), if anyone is interested in meeting another lister. For those who didn't see the last message... Dr. Charles Falco of the University of Arizona is speaking at the Nat'l Institute of Science and Technology on October 8th. This is the same Charles Falco that was one of the curators of The Art of the Motorcycle exhibition at the Guggenheim (Sp. ?) Museum (and later Chicago, and soon Bilbao, Spain). The official topic of the talk is "The Art and Science of the Motorcycle." It is slated to begin at 10:30am and will be presented in the Green Auditorium of the NIST campus in Gaithersburg, Maryland. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 12:30:14 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02666 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id MAA27421; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:27:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Jerks stories In-Reply-To: <19991007133613.6709.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII First you're opposed to guns, now it's ASP batons. You either live in Nothern Virginia, or Montgomery County, where life is good, the sky is always blue, grass green, and people that carry weapons are evil, don't you?? Let me guess....you protect yourself with the telephone, don't you?? On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Tom Gimer wrote: > 3 yrs is what that dog-beater can get you....we'll all > come and visit though. > > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > "What officer? this here baton? I use it against > > agressive dogs who appear out of no where right > > after i step off my bike" > > > > :) > > > > --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > > Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton > > > and loving it ;-) > > > Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS > > > considered a concealed weapon same as a gun in all > > > the three locals..(and most anywhere else.... > > > > > > Collin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 13:00:38 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03109 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:00:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256803.005D658F ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:00:08 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256803.005C3DA4.01@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:00:04 -0400 Subject: Anti gun? WTF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Gee Ken, or should I say Homer, don't you get jokes? How does Tom's post signify that he's anti gun? I sure didn't get that impression. He simply pointed out that you could receive a 3 year jail sentance for carrying the baton and followd up with an amusing statement. I got a good laugh at his statement - "3 yrs is what that dog-beater can get you....we'll all come and visit though.<< Steve Beck Ken wrote: >>First you're opposed to guns, now it's ASP batons. You either live in Nothern Virginia, or Montgomery County, where life is good, the sky is always blue, grass green, and people that carry weapons are evil, don't you?? Let me guess....you protect yourself with the telephone, don't you?? << From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 13:24:26 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03375 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id NAA29062; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anti gun? WTF In-Reply-To: <85256803.005C3DA4.01@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII History, and being around on the list for a while. At least I think it was him. If it wasn't Tom that's so anti-gun, (I 90% sure it was.....) then there are 50 other people here that the statement applies to, so................. Who wants to revisit the gun thread??!!! Homer, eh?? lol.... Anyhow, was thinking about a getting a new carry gun for the bike. The Ruger P89 is just too damn big. Thoughts? (heh heh heh.....I love gun threads) On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: > Gee Ken, or should I say Homer, don't you get jokes? How does Tom's post > signify that he's anti gun? I sure didn't get that impression. He simply > pointed out that you could receive a 3 year jail sentance for carrying the > baton and followd up with an amusing statement. > > I got a good laugh at his statement - "3 yrs is what that dog-beater can > get you....we'll all come and visit though.<< > > > Steve Beck > > > Ken wrote: > > >>First you're opposed to guns, now it's ASP batons. > > You either live in Nothern Virginia, or Montgomery County, where life is > good, the sky is always blue, grass green, and people that carry weapons > are evil, don't you?? > > Let me guess....you protect yourself with the telephone, don't you?? > << > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 13:27:03 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03458 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:27:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256803.005FD251 ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:26:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256803.005FA6AD.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:26:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Anti gun? WTF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline LOL -Yes they can be quite entertaining. Steve Beck >>Anyhow, was thinking about a getting a new carry gun for the bike. The Ruger P89 is just too damn big. Thoughts? (heh heh heh.....I love gun threads)<< From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 13:42:02 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03598 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MartinAgency-Message_Server by iagw.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:41:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:41:09 -0400 From: "JOE NAGY" To: , "\"\"gixer_racer@XXXXXX\"@internet.mime\"" Subject: Re: Jerks stories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Why not get a Concealed Weapons Permit? Some jurisdictions, all you gotta = do is apply. Curiously enough, in Bumfu--er, I mean Goochland County, one = must have "proof of training." But what the heck--the Poison Dart Blowgun = Training Course was a lot of fun. Joe >>> "Collin T. Fagan" - 10/6/99 8:01 PM >>> Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton and loving it ;-) Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS considered a concealed weapon same as a gun in all the three locals..(and most anywhere else.... Collin =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 13:46:28 1999 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03710 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alecto.bittwiddlers.com (216-164-139-182.s436.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.139.182]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18415 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11189 invoked by uid 48381); 7 Oct 1999 17:46:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:46:22 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good gloves Message-ID: <19991007134622.A11131@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i After riding in this morning I realized that I probably need to get a good pair of winter gloves. Any recommendations on gloves that help with the wind chill and wet weather but still offer good crash protection? -- Matthew Harrell I don't suffer from insanity - Bit Twiddlers, Inc. I enjoy every minute of it. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 13:48:41 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03730 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4KNNYAKB>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:50:47 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2931@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Ken Woods'" , Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Anti gun? WTF Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:47:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I would recommend a high-capacity semi-automatic with a lanyard loop, like the cavalry pistols used to have. Of course, you'd also want a cross-draw holster for ease of access. Being left-handed wouldn't be a bad idea either... ;^) Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 13:54:17 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03836 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15332 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:55:14 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8861@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:55:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:03:00 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04005 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8q3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA09345 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018701bf10ee$8c5dc680$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Anti gun? WTF (more like Anti-stupid-cager) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:05:33 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > I still want a glock. My dad works for the Govt, and trains SPO (Special > Police Officers). They all carry model 17L (a slightly longer barrel, law > enforcemtn version of the 17), and they swear by them. If not a Glock, > maybe a sig sauer. One day... > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > Anyhow, was thinking about a getting a new carry gun for the bike. > > The Ruger P89 is just too damn big. > > Thoughts? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:03:06 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04013 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA00963; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:03:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: "Coleman, Perry" cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Anti gun? WTF In-Reply-To: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2931@md-exchange1.nai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I worked for the NRA for a number of years. Most of my afternoons were spent in the range. I got rather proficient at cross-draw, left handed double taps. (Perry, BTW, call me re: moving that bike of yours, I left you a message this morning) On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Coleman, Perry wrote: > Well, I would recommend a high-capacity semi-automatic with a lanyard loop, > like the cavalry pistols used to have. Of course, you'd also want a > cross-draw holster for ease of access. Being left-handed wouldn't be a bad > idea either... ;^) > > Perry > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:05:52 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04116 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007180543.5366.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:05:43 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: Ken Woods Cc: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Ken Woods wrote: > > First you're opposed to guns, now it's ASP batons. I'm not opposed to guns. I own plenty of them. Perhaps [uh oh, I've got to do it] your head is up your ass regarding MY beliefs. > You either live in Nothern Virginia, or Montgomery > County, where life is good, the sky is always blue, > grass green, and people that carry weapons are evil, > don't you?? Montgomery County currently. But the sky is only blue some of the time, the grass is only green when there isn't a drought, and people that carry weapons aren't evil...but they can kill those with smaller, less potent ones. > Let me guess....you protect yourself with the > telephone, don't you?? Sorry, Mr. Laughs, but I'm afraid I don't. > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > 3 yrs is what that dog-beater can get you....we'll > > all come and visit though. > > > > > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > > "What officer? this here baton? I use it against > > > agressive dogs who appear out of no where right > > > after i step off my bike" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:09:41 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04161 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8q3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA15152 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019d01bf10ef$84b6e4b0$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <19991007120121.17292.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: lost clothing on the beltway... Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:12:29 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 DAMNIT...on my way back from the evil coleman powersport (had to pick up a bolt on my lunch break, and they are the closest Honda dealer), I apparently forgot to zipper my backpack all the way shut... MY EXTRA LONG JOHNS SHIRT FLEW OUT. So, if anyopne sees a long-sleeved white long johns shirt laying in or around coleman, falls church, annandale, or on the beltway it's mine... :-) Kirt 99 F4 "loved that shirt...had it since my first bike" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:11:21 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04174 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA01250; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:10:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Jerks stories In-Reply-To: <19991007180543.5366.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > First you're opposed to guns, now it's ASP batons. > > I'm not opposed to guns. I own plenty of them. > Perhaps [uh oh, I've got to do it] your head is up > your ass regarding MY beliefs. Well, since my inital post, I've learned that I confused you with somebody else. The anti-gunner (and person that I've confused you with) is "...that whiteside guy..." My sincere apologies. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:14:09 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04255 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4KNNYBTB>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:16:25 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2935@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Michael Jay'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:13:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, let's talk about an important seasonal item: Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in them now, but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:19:29 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04316 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA27299; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:15:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Ken Woods cc: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anti gun? WTF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Ken Woods wrote: > Anyhow, was thinking about a getting a new carry gun for the bike. > The Ruger P89 is just too damn big. > Thoughts? Sig P239 .40. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:23:58 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web507.yahoomail.com (web507.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.74]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04440 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007182248.18875.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web507.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:22:48 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: Ken Woods Cc: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please don't confuse me with Mr. PC again. ;) Your apology is accepted, and of course you know my comment regarding your head isn't true. It just isn't possible....although the Internet has shown us that there is a whole segment of the population that is willing to try things similar to that. --- Ken Woods wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > First you're opposed to guns, now it's ASP > > > batons. > > > > I'm not opposed to guns. I own plenty of them. > > Perhaps [uh oh, I've got to do it] your head is up > > your ass regarding MY beliefs. > > Well, since my inital post, I've learned that I > confused you with somebody else. The anti-gunner > (and person that I've confused you with) is "...that > whiteside guy..." > > My sincere apologies. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:34:00 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04588 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:33:59 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id OAA0000025756; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:35:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Jerks stories Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Oh, get over it, and read what he actually said. And then do us all a favor and don't start yet another pointless argument in dc-cycles about guns in which no one's opinion will change. Ken Woods wrote: > First you're opposed to guns, now it's ASP batons. You either live in Nothern Virginia, or Montgomery County, where life is good, the sky is always blue, grass green, and people that carry weapons are evil, don't you?? Let me guess....you protect yourself with the telephone, don't you?? On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Tom Gimer wrote: > 3 yrs is what that dog-beater can get you....we'll all > come and visit though. > > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > "What officer? this here baton? I use it against > > agressive dogs who appear out of no where right > > after i step off my bike" > > > > :) > > > > --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > > Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton > > > and loving it ;-) > > > Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS > > > considered a concealed weapon same as a gun in all > > > the three locals..(and most anywhere else.... > > > > > > Collin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:36:13 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04672 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:36:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256803.006627EC ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:35:48 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256803.00659263.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:35:43 -0400 Subject: Winter air Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Most dealers won't get their winter stock until late November. But I'm sure that any Baskins Robins or Ben & Jerrys Ice Cream shop can fix you up. ;-) Steve >>Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in them now, but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... << From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:40:23 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04685 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007184615.22258.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:46:15 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good gloves To: Matthew Harrell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know about crash protection, but if you want warm you ought to get either Widder (http://www.widder.com/gloves.htm) or Gerbing (http://www.gerbing.com/gloves.htm) I use Widder gloves, but have Gerbing socks. Leon. --- Matthew Harrell wrote: > > After riding in this morning I realized that I > probably need to get a good > pair of winter gloves. Any recommendations on > gloves that help with the > wind chill and wet weather but still offer good > crash protection? > > -- > Matthew Harrell I don't > suffer from insanity - > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. I enjoy > every minute of it. > mharrell@XXXXXX > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:40:46 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04695 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:40:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199910071440.AA175374814@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: winrwe air [was: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Coleman, Perry" >Actually, let's talk about an important seasonal item: > >Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in them now, >but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... It's best to buy the manufacturer-approved winter air from the dealer, or you may void your bike warranty. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:42:01 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04705 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09103 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:41:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991007143713.015a8070@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:41:26 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Anti gun? WTF (more like Anti-stupid-cager) In-Reply-To: <018701bf10ee$8c5dc680$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I like the gun thread. I have a Ruger 9mm and a 20 guage shotgun. I take the Ruger with me when I go camping. Plan on doing the concealed permit in VA this year if anyone wants to go through the process with me. Believe you have to fill out an application and go before the court. At that point, I will look for a .32 to carry in my tank bag....JIC..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:47:40 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04818 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA02766; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Jerks stories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII THERE you are!!! I knew you'd poke you head up eventually. On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > Oh, get over it, and read what he actually said. And then do us all a > favor and don't start yet another pointless argument in dc-cycles > about guns in which no one's opinion will change. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:50:56 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04906 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09156; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:48:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991007144821.01629600@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:48:32 -0400 To: Tom Gimer From: Troutman Subject: Re: Jerks stories Cc: Ken Woods , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <19991007182248.18875.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:22 PM 10/7/99 , Tom Gimer wrote: >Please don't confuse me with Mr. PC again. ;) > >Your apology is accepted, and of course you know my >comment regarding your head isn't true. It just isn't >possible....although the Internet has shown us that >there is a whole segment of the population that is >willing to try things similar to that. Yep http://www.wackyware.com/content/pictures/heahinass.jpg ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org God, help me to consider people's feelings, even if most of them are hypersensitive. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:53:34 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04927 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id OAA0000020694; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:53:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: Jerks stories Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Why? You saw a message that didn't say anything remotely anti-gun, not written by me, not quoting anything I'd written, on a subject about which I hadn't sent a single message, and decided it was time to insult me. I don't get it. I'm not sure why you're so eager to start a debate that's been had here many times before, or why you think ad hominem arguments are a useful addition to such a debate even if we wanted to have it. I don't really care, either. I just want to tell you that while I disagree with you on this issue, I have no reason to think you're anything other than a reasonable person with honestly-held opinions, who perhaps should just read a little more carefully. (I have major political disagreements with some of my best friends, actually.) Oh, also, that I hope you're enjoying this last bit of great riding weather. Take care & ride safe. Ken Woods wrote: > THERE you are!!! I knew you'd poke you head up eventually. On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > Oh, get over it, and read what he actually said. And then do us all a > favor and don't start yet another pointless argument in dc-cycles > about guns in which no one's opinion will change. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 14:55:15 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04940 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id OAA0000019452; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:54:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Re: Jerks stories Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 You think I'm PC? Jeez, you should ask some of my PC friends what they think..... Tom Gimer wrote: > Please don't confuse me with Mr. PC again. ;) Your apology is accepted, and of course you know my comment regarding your head isn't true. It just isn't possible....although the Internet has shown us that there is a whole segment of the population that is willing to try things similar to that. --- Ken Woods wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Ken Woods wrote: > > > First you're opposed to guns, now it's ASP > > > batons. > > > > I'm not opposed to guns. I own plenty of them. > > Perhaps [uh oh, I've got to do it] your head is up > > your ass regarding MY beliefs. > > Well, since my inital post, I've learned that I > confused you with somebody else. The anti-gunner > (and person that I've confused you with) is "...that > whiteside guy..." > > My sincere apologies. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 15:02:25 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from infocalypse.cosanostra.net (infocalypse.cosanostra.net [63.67.141.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05065 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by infocalypse.cosanostra.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/fnord) id PAA23336; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:01:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:01:48 -0400 From: Elie Rosenblum To: "Coleman, Perry" Cc: "'Michael Jay'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT Message-ID: <19991007150148.A22747@cosanostra.net> References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2935@md-exchange1.nai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2935@md-exchange1.nai.com> On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 11:13:01AM -0700, Coleman, Perry wrote: > Actually, let's talk about an important seasonal item: > > Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in them now, > but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... Just let what air you can out, then run them empty for twenty miles or so to coax the rest of the summer air out. You can then fill it with winter air available mail order - or use some at my house, I'll fill you up at cost for $30/oz or so. Have you Y2K certified your oil, yet? :) -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 15:02:27 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05066 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:02:25 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id PAA0000020577; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:02:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: winrwe air [was: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I've heard that some shady dealers are stockpiling summer air and then selling it as winter air. Kind of like the folks who sell tap water as spring water. Be a smart consumer! cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Coleman, Perry" >Actually, let's talk about an important seasonal item: > >Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in them now, >but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... It's best to buy the manufacturer-approved winter air from the dealer, or you may void your bike warranty. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 15:12:08 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05232 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA26382 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:11:57 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF10D3.7BC1B720.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: winrwe air [was: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:51:47 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it safe to add Slick 50 for smoother airflow? Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - parking stop to a &)*%&( Ford Escort AMA 663626 Annandale, VA ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Coleman, Perry" >Actually, let's talk about an important seasonal item: > >Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in them now, >but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... It's best to buy the manufacturer-approved winter air from the dealer, or you may void your bike warranty. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 15:23:20 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05392 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991007192539.18652.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:25:39 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Authorized Honda service... To: George Howell , "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Howell wrote: > In any case, you are going to spend between $100 and > $200 for a torque wrench. What? That's for the 18k gold model, I guess. Most of the basic stainless steel models will only set you back $50 or so. > By the time you add in > oil, filters, etc... you are going to spend at least > the $200 they quoted you, if not more. But, the next > time you need a service, you'll come out ahead. And you'll know your bike better. Most shops have their basically-untrained idiots doing these simple jobs anyway. Why pay $50+ and hour for work by somebody who PROBABLY isn't even using a torque wrench on all the bolts that require one? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 15:25:50 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05424 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09338 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:25:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991007152449.01636c10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:25:29 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT In-Reply-To: <19991007150148.A22747@cosanostra.net> References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2935@md-exchange1.nai.com> <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2935@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:01 PM 10/7/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >Have you Y2K certified your oil, yet? :) Ooh...I TOTALLY forgot about getting that done. Do we have a certified tester on the list? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 16:25:24 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06248 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MartinAgency-Message_Server by iagw.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:24:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:24:27 -0400 From: "JOE NAGY" To: , , "\"\"mrider@XXXXXX\"@internet.mime\"" , Subject: Re: Good gloves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Both Rider Wearhouse (aerostich) and Dennis Kirk sell good winter gloves = (hm, I wonder if them being in Minnesota has anything to do with it). If = yer pinkies are really delicate, order Kirk's snowmo catalog. I've had a = pair of Olympia Leather thinsulate gauntlets for years, but I don't wear = them too much down here. I usually go with just Army wool liners under my = Z Deer Traks. For long trips in sub-40 temps, NO glove's gonna do the = job, so I'd look at grip warmers if that's yer bag. But as always, YMMV. Joe >>> Leon Begeman - 10/7/99 2:46 PM >>> I don't know about crash protection, but if you want warm you ought to get either Widder (http://www.widder.com/gloves.htm) or Gerbing (http://www.gerbing.com/gloves.htm) I use Widder gloves, but have Gerbing socks. Leon. --- Matthew Harrell wrote: >=20 > After riding in this morning I realized that I > probably need to get a good=20 > pair of winter gloves. Any recommendations on > gloves that help with the=20 > wind chill and wet weather but still offer good > crash protection?=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matthew Harrell I don't > suffer from insanity -=20 > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. I enjoy > every minute of it. > mharrell@XXXXXX >=20 >=20 >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 16:31:20 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06381 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id QAA0000026875; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:30:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I ordered some new checks recently. When they showed up, there was a note in the box telling me that my new checks were "Y2K Compliant." It explained why -- they stopped printing "19" on the date line. I kid you not. Troutman wrote: > At 03:01 PM 10/7/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: >Have you Y2K certified your oil, yet? :) Ooh...I TOTALLY forgot about getting that done. Do we have a certified tester on the list? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 16:35:13 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06470 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MartinAgency-Message_Server by iagw.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:34:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:34:19 -0400 From: "JOE NAGY" To: "\"\"johnwhiteside@XXXXXX\"@internet.nonmime\"" , Subject: Re: Re: Re: Jerks stories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone on the list know of a good photographer who could take a = picture of 2 nekkid chix on my bike with bald Cheng Shins, each one of em = with a gun of mine and a half-empty bottle of Jack Black, shooting holes = thru helmets? TIA Oh, and I need someone to mount the tires for me. Joe >>> - 10/7/99 2:53 PM >>> Why?=20 You saw a message that didn't say anything remotely anti-gun, not written = by me, not quoting anything I'd written, on a subject about which I hadn't = sent a single message, and decided it was time to insult me. I don't get = it.=20 I'm not sure why you're so eager to start a debate that's been had here = many times before, or why you think ad hominem arguments are a useful = addition to such a debate even if we wanted to have it. I don't really = care, either.=20 I just want to tell you that while I disagree with you on this issue, I = have no reason to think you're anything other than a reasonable person = with honestly-held opinions, who perhaps should just read a little more = carefully. (I have major political disagreements with some of my best = friends, actually.) Oh, also, that I hope you're enjoying this last bit of = great riding weather.=20 Take care & ride safe.=20 Ken Woods wrote: >=20 THERE you are!!! I knew you'd poke you head up eventually. On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > Oh, get over it, and read what he actually said. And then do us all a > favor and don't start yet another pointless argument in dc-cycles > about guns in which no one's opinion will change. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 16:56:23 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@XXXXXX [216.181.79.203]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06717 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [216.181.79.203]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA15463; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:56:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:55:59 -0400 (8) From: Dan Brown To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Y2K In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991007152449.01636c10@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Troutman wrote: > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:25:29 -0400 > From: Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT > > At 03:01 PM 10/7/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > >Have you Y2K certified your oil, yet? :) > > Ooh...I TOTALLY forgot about getting that done. > Do we have a certified tester on the list? I'm certifiable, and will be more than happy to take anyone's bike out for a Y2K shakedown ride. Zbig's XX passed. Who's next? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 16:58:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06811 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:58:45 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA09382; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:58:36 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa00702; Thu, 7 Oct 99 15:42:10 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJ800FCJZZU5C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256803.006B91E9 ; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:34:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:33:51 -0400 Subject: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256803.006B871D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL WHAT THE FUCK DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MOTORCYCLES? Jesus H. Christ! Can't you people stay away from the subject when it's already driven well-respected members off the list??? Don't you ever learn? How about this: Either get on a gun list or SHUT THE FUCK UP about it already! Sorry about the language, but for God's sake, take this off list! Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 17:03:34 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06868 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:20:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199910071720.AA36897360@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "\"\"johnwhiteside@XXXXXX\"@internet.nonmime\"" , , "JOE NAGY" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Jerks stories X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "JOE NAGY" Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:34:19 -0400 >Does anyone on the list know of a good photographer who could take a picture of 2 nekkid chix on my bike with bald Cheng Shins, Are the chix cute? Hell, I'll volunteer to take the pictures! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 17:07:52 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from mail.uunt.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06977 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by mail.uunt.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19719 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910072105.RAA19719@mail.uunt.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good gloves In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:46:22 EDT." <19991007134622.A11131@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:07:18 -0400 From: Mark In your message dated: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:46:22 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => => After riding in this morning I realized that I probably need to get a good => pair of winter gloves. Any recommendations on gloves that help with the => wind chill and wet weather but still offer good crash protection? => Well, I haven't tried them, but Held (one of the _best_ glove manufacturers...what I want to be wearing if I crash) now makes winter gloves. I know that Fast Lane is a Held distributor (I think there's one in Maryland, and the next closest is probably MotoEuropa in Richmond), but I don't know what they stock. Unfortunately, Helimot (the US importer for Held) doesn't have a web site, just e-mail: helimot@XXXXXX Here's a site with some info. on Held gloves: http://rpmcycles.com/held.html Another terrific option, probably suitable for most riding down here, is a pair of silk glove liners. They take up very little room, don't reduce your control as much as some heavy winter gloves, and add about 10 degrees in comfort for me. Besides, it's so nice to put on silk... ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 18:08:49 1999 Return-Path: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07838 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from rcover (adsl-151-200-23-94.bellatlantic.net [151.200.23.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA12763 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991007180424.007e6100@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: rcover@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 18:04:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I guess your right Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My normal daily commute takes me from the Landover area to Bethesda. I have read what a lot of people have said about SUV drivers, especially in Virginia. I always thought you people where exagerating (sp?) a little. They don't seem any worse on my commute than other cagers. For the past three days I have had the "pleasure" of commuting to Arlington. I have seen the light. My appologies for doubting you. I used the cage all three days and still have never been cut off so many times in my life. On the way home one day, via Glebe Road, I did get tired of it. I had one try to do it one too many times and challenged the lady driver for the spot. She backed off, I guess not wanting to scratch her paint. I'm glad I wasn't on the bike. This is exactly the reason I don't ride it in the city. I stop enjoying the ride. I don't know how some of you do it. Just venting a little Rick From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 18:33:20 1999 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08200 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnstonc.itn.prc.com (user201.anent.com [208.195.115.201]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA07570; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 18:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: <37FD2112.7CDA@anent.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 18:39:14 -0400 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else References: <85256803.006B871D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > > WHAT THE F///......> '98 VTR 1000 Well CHRIS who gave you the key to the city ? Or are you just one of these "self-appointed" losers ? I've been on listening to you and your opinions for a long time now and still fail to see anything useful come from you. So why not heed your own advice and shut up if you dont like it !! use your delete key if you don't want to read a particular subject, or like in my case I now have a filter setup to send all your messages directly to the trash. But by no means should you feel in a position to dictate what shall be said. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 18:54:55 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08485 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id bBWRa12219 (4466); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.290efbc6.252e7e94@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:54:12 EDT Subject: Re: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else To: peggrinder@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 You know, any type of assertiveness is pretty silly for a mailing list, luckily, many people know each other on this list and refrain from attempting to bully one another, however, it seems to me that if any of you think that many of us are impressed by articulate rebuttals or position statements one way or the other are clearly out of touch with most people on this list. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 19:37:49 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f193.hotmail.com [209.185.130.103]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA09120 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21204 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 1999 23:37:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19991007233715.21203.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.138.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:37:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.138.99] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Aprilia stuff Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 19:37:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well, I was at Colman's today to pick up my plates, and I noticed that they have the RSV Mille and the Pegaso(sp?) 650 dual-sport from aprilia. The RSV looks really nice, for a "diesel" (heh). I guess since I bought an rs50, they think that they're gonna be able to sell the things... don't they know that i'm probably the only one nuts enough around here to buy one?? Ok, enough for me.. --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 20:42:52 1999 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09981 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnstonc.itn.prc.com (user106.anent.com [208.195.115.106]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA08403; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:36:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37FD3F6F.3344@anent.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:48:47 -0400 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else References: <0.290efbc6.252e7e94@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh but Fred, for merely stating one's own thoughts you seem be have taken it much to seriously and quite possibly personally. :~) For I was only expressing my own position on an annoying post that struck me as inappropriate in context and content. Craig 900RR Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > You know, any type of assertiveness is pretty silly for a mailing list, > ///////// > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 23:12:23 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11903 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0178.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.210]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA16645; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37FD8D5C.6C0E@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 23:21:16 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: rcover@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I guess your right Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: rcover@XXXXXX > My normal daily commute takes me from the Landover area to Bethesda. I > have read what a lot of people have said about SUV drivers, especially in > Virginia. I always thought you people where exagerating (sp?) a little. > They don't seem any worse on my commute than other cagers. For the past > three days I have had the "pleasure" of commuting to Arlington. I have > seen the light. My appologies for doubting you. I used the cage all three > days and still have never been cut off so many times in my life. On the > way home one day, via Glebe Road, I did get tired of it. I had one try to > do it one too many times and challenged the lady driver for the spot. She > backed off, I guess not wanting to scratch her paint. I'm glad I wasn't on > the bike. This is exactly the reason I don't ride it in the city. I stop > enjoying the ride. I don't know how some of you do it. > Just venting a little This is interesting Rick. I feel far less secure riding in Maryland and I definitely exhibit bias against cagers there vs. cagers in Virginia. I live in Arlington and I commute to DC most days. I find that, overall, an assertive (not aggressive) riding style gets me what I want when I want it. I don't count on anything from cagers at all since they can hurt me. But I gotta admit I love using my bike for snaking (filtering) my way through traffic jams (with my hand and foot poised over my brakes, of course). JK 95 VFR D-mode N.B. I happened to be caught in a normal p.m. traffic jam last week from the last toll booth on Dulles Toll Rd. past Rt 7 on I-66 and I can't say how glad I am that I live in Arlington. That people are able to deal with that every single day is beyond my comprehension. I refuse to do it. Vive la motocyclette!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 7 23:56:28 1999 Return-Path: mcycleracr@XXXXXX Received: from mta117.yahoomail.com (mta117.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13171 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: mcycleracr@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19991008040659.27913.rocketmail@mta117.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Yahoo! Auto Response To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text I'm off driving across the country right now. Thanks for writing though. I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Thanks Brian McCoy MMI Student -------------------- Original Message: Received: from bftoemail28.bigfoot.com (208.156.39.141) by mta117.yahoomail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1999 21:06:53 -0700 Received: from meretrix.com ([209.116.254.17]) by bftoemail21.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 with message handle 991007_191405_0_bftoemail21_smtp; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 19:14:05 -0500 for b_mccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from harry@localhost) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id TAA08614 for dc-cycles-digest; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910072300.TAA08614@meretrix.com> From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 10/07/99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ ) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:36:47 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21559 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008124319.28989.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:43:19 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heheh It wont' get me 3 years as I don't carry one. Three years for carrying a metal stick.. Anyone see something gone awry? Personally, I feel a motorcyclist should be able to carry one.. no harm no foul.. and if someone miss uses it, then fry his or her ass. God forbid some idiot who abuses dogs and raises them for fighting has his dog get loose on a motorcyclist.. let's just all wait for 2 or 3 minutes for the police to arrive as he gets chewed up.. Okay so maybe a baton isn't ideal in this situation.. but we all know there are some aggressive dogs out there.. Daniel - Firm believer that every honest citizen should know how to use and (optionally) carry gun, and every crook shouldn't. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > 3 yrs is what that dog-beater can get you....we'll all > come and visit though. > > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > "What officer? this here baton? I use it against > > agressive dogs who appear out of no where right > > after i step off my bike" > > > > :) > > > > --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > > Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton > > > and loving it ;-) > > > Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS > > > considered a concealed weapon same as a gun in all > > > the three locals..(and most anywhere else.... > > > > > > Collin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:39:15 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21569 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008124549.29278.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:45:49 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So has it ever saved your butt? it may not be that easy, but if you're going to carry it, might as well have a reason a cop can relate to, and get off with merely a confiscation rather than an arrest. --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > He he he.. I wish it were that easy.. then I'd say the same for any > one > of my guns...ASP baton is considered completely equal to carrying a > gun > in many states. > The one reason that I do carry it over a gun most places; however, > is > becuase for an officer that might on off chance get a glimpse of > it, it > looks like a mini mag flashlight, whereas a gun is pretty obviosly > a > gun. > > CT > > --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > > "What officer? this here baton? I use it against agressive dogs > who > > appear out of no where right after i step off my bike" > > > > :) > > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:43:00 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21648 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008124934.29787.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:49:34 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii until someone drops dead from a poison dart and they assume it was you hehehehe --- JOE NAGY wrote: > Why not get a Concealed Weapons Permit? Some jurisdictions, all > you gotta do is apply. Curiously enough, in Bumfu--er, I mean > Goochland County, one must have "proof of training." But what the > heck--the Poison Dart Blowgun Training Course was a lot of fun. > > Joe > > >>> "Collin T. Fagan" - 10/6/99 8:01 PM >>> > Glad to see I'm not the only one with an ASP baton and loving it > ;-) > Just be sure not to get caught with it... it IS considered a > concealed > weapon same as a gun in all the three locals..(and most anywhere > else.... > > Collin > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:43:21 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21658 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:43:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256804.0045D9A8 ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:42:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256804.004335F9.01@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:42:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Christopher the thread appeared to be dying on its own and many of the responses were the funny tongue in cheek types. From my perspective, your post was more rude and offensive than any of the others. I personally don't care what kind language people use, but your choice of expletives might do just as much to drive people off the list as off topic threads will. Using the delete key will do more to kill the offending thread than freshening up the bait and tossing it back into the water. Steve Beck >>WHAT THE FUCK DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MOTORCYCLES? Jesus H. Christ! Can't you people stay away from the subject when it's already driven well-respected members off the list??? Don't you ever learn? How about this: Either get on a gun list or SHUT THE FUCK UP about it already! Sorry about the language, but for God's sake, take this off list! Chris Weaver<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:44:55 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21668 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008125125.6204.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:51:25 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:51:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Good gloves To: Matthew Harrell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was just thinking the same thing.. minus the wet weather part.. cold.. wet.. nah I don't think I nor my bike, nor my tires would like any of that heheh. Daniel - I came, I saw, I got frostBYTE. --- Matthew Harrell wrote: > > After riding in this morning I realized that I probably need to get > a good > pair of winter gloves. Any recommendations on gloves that help > with the > wind chill and wet weather but still offer good crash protection? > > -- > Matthew Harrell I don't suffer from > insanity - > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. I enjoy every minute of > it. > mharrell@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:47:18 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21709 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008125349.6467.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:53:49 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: Anti gun? WTF To: Ken Woods , "Coleman, Perry" Cc: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm jealous. That's all I have to say. Daniel -not kawasaki green, with envy --- Ken Woods wrote: > > I worked for the NRA for a number of years. Most of my afternoons > were > spent in the range. I got rather proficient at cross-draw, left > handed > double taps. > > (Perry, BTW, call me re: moving that bike of yours, I left you a > message > this morning) > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Coleman, Perry wrote: > > > Well, I would recommend a high-capacity semi-automatic with a > lanyard loop, > > like the cavalry pistols used to have. Of course, you'd also want > a > > cross-draw holster for ease of access. Being left-handed wouldn't > be a bad > > idea either... ;^) > > > > Perry > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:49:08 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21719 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008125538.27681.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:55:38 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Anti gun? WTF (more like Anti-stupid-cager) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yes.. I want one too.. one day here too.. Daniel --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > I still want a glock. My dad works for the Govt, and trains SPO > (Special > > Police Officers). They all carry model 17L (a slightly longer > barrel, law > > enforcemtn version of the 17), and they swear by them. If not a > Glock, > > maybe a sig sauer. One day... > > > > Kirt > > 99 F4 > > > > > Anyhow, was thinking about a getting a new carry gun for the > bike. > > > The Ruger P89 is just too damn big. > > > Thoughts? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:53:46 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21796 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008130031.770.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:00:31 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: lost clothing on the beltway... To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii lost and found msges good idea.. If anyone found an erricson cell phone (aug 28) on the roads of addison road or landover road or central avenue near freestate.. it's mine.. and I'd like to get the phone #'s out of it hehe. I think I stood up to go over a bump and it flew out my pocket.. or maybe i didn't put it in my pocket when i used it at the KFC parking lot on MLK blvd. be happy it was just long johns and not a $100 phone :) Daniel - mr telephone man, there's somethign wrong with my line --- "Kirt S." wrote: > DAMNIT...on my way back from the evil coleman powersport (had to > pick up a > bolt on my lunch break, and they are the closest Honda dealer), I > apparently > forgot to zipper my backpack all the way shut... MY EXTRA LONG > JOHNS SHIRT > FLEW OUT. So, if anyopne sees a long-sleeved white long johns > shirt laying > in or around coleman, falls church, annandale, or on the beltway > it's > mine... :-) > > Kirt > 99 F4 > "loved that shirt...had it since my first bike" > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 08:57:44 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21874 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008130414.2793.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:04:14 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT To: "Coleman, Perry" , "'Michael Jay'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Go to a gas station that gives away free air. Paying for air sucks!Then blow it on yourself, if it's cold, you have the winter air. If you want hot air, go to coleman power sports ( I know no relation) or heyser cycle in laurel md.. they're full of hot air. Daniel - I came, I saw, I got gipped. --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Actually, let's talk about an important seasonal item: > > Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in > them now, > but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... > > Perry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:00:14 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21925 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008130655.14892.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:06:55 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Anti gun? WTF To: Tansey , Ken Woods Cc: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Remington 1100 mounted backwards, barrel near tail light... Or you could carry it and do a terminator impersonation.. Daniel - Hey man that's not NOS sparking back there --- Tansey wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Ken Woods wrote: > > > Anyhow, was thinking about a getting a new carry gun for the > bike. > > The Ruger P89 is just too damn big. > > Thoughts? > > Sig P239 .40. > > Shannon > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:08:49 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22004 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008131531.15530.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:15:31 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:15:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: RE: winrwe air [was: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is it illegal to run helium in your tires? Seems like the bike should be lighter then.. --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Is it safe to add Slick 50 for smoother airflow? > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - parking stop to a &)*%&( Ford Escort > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Coleman, Perry" > >Actually, let's talk about an important seasonal item: > > > >Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in > them now, > >but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... > > > It's best to buy the manufacturer-approved winter air from the > dealer, or you may void your bike warranty. > > Chris Norloff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:11:29 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22017 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256804.00486292 ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:10:38 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256804.0046246F.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:10:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerks stories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>God forbid some idiot who abuses dogs and raises them for fighting has his dog get loose on a motorcyclist.. let's just all wait for 2 or 3 minutes for the police to arrive as he gets chewed up.. Okay so maybe a baton isn't ideal in this situation.. but we all know there are some aggressive dogs out there..<< And don't forget "stupid" in your description. In the early 90's one of my neighbors wasn't able to stop his very stupid Pit Bull from running out into the street right in front of me. The neighbor explained to me later that day (after he returned from the animal clinic) that the dog thought my motorcycle was a ball rolling down the road that needed to be caught. I ended up running over the dog and low siding the bike 50 yards from my driveway entrance. As I was picking up the bike, I didn't have to worry about the aggressive Pit Bull any more since it just lost the battle with a 600 pound ball rolling down the street. It was attempting to tuck its little tail between its legs as it limped away. It turns out it only had a broken leg. And get this. After he told me the reason the dog chased me, he had the nerve to tell me that he wasn't going to pursue any legal actions. Lucky for him the damage to me and my bike was fairly minor (handle bars and a foot peg needed replacing) so I decided not to punch his light out right there on the spot. I guess the guy was as stupid as his dog. >From then on, whenever I would follow this neighbor out of the neighborhood, that dog would go crazy in the back seat of that guys car. He would bark uncontrollably he wanted to get to me so badly. Too bad the poor dog didn't have an owner with an IQ above 50. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:13:06 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22093 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008131918.2104.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:19:18 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Jerks stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Watch it Ken, he's trying to kill you with kindness. All jokes aside, that's a pretty decent post. Daniel - The prince of indecentcy and misspelling. --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > Why? > > You saw a message that didn't say anything remotely anti-gun, not > written by me, not quoting anything I'd written, on a subject about > which I hadn't sent a single message, and decided it was time to > insult me. I don't get it. > > I'm not sure why you're so eager to start a debate that's been had > here many times before, or why you think ad hominem arguments are a > useful addition to such a debate even if we wanted to have it. I > don't really care, either. > > I just want to tell you that while I disagree with you on this > issue, I have no reason to think you're anything other than a > reasonable person with honestly-held opinions, who perhaps should > just read a little more carefully. (I have major political > disagreements with some of my best friends, actually.) Oh, also, > that I hope you're enjoying this last bit of great riding weather. > > Take care & ride safe. > > > Ken Woods wrote: > > > THERE you are!!! > > I knew you'd poke you head up eventually. > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > > Oh, get over it, and read what he actually said. And then do us > all a > > favor and don't start yet another pointless argument in dc-cycles > > about guns in which no one's opinion will change. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:29:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22361 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:29:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199910080929.AA210043358@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: by the way, this is "dc-cycles" X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Craig >But by no means should you feel in a position to dictate what shall be >said. This list is named "dc-cycles" because it's about motorcycles, and motorcyclists in Washington, DC. Discussions outside these basic parameters should go on other lists. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:31:19 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.138]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22415 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008133802.19881.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:38:02 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: RE: winrwe air [was: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii *COUGH*HEYSER*COUGH* They're full of hot air, and try to sell you tires and say no other tires are available, then when you contront their lie (or maybe talking out of their ass without knowing) then they retort with "oh well you'd still have to pay us $50 for us mount it). Yeah right!!! Daniel - heyers rant over --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > I've heard that some shady dealers are stockpiling summer air and > then selling it as winter air. Kind of like the folks who sell tap > water as spring water. Be a smart consumer! > > cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Coleman, Perry" > >Actually, let's talk about an important seasonal item: > > > >Where can I get winter air for my tires? I've got summer air in > them now, > >but it's getting colder out, so I need winter air... > > > It's best to buy the manufacturer-approved winter air from the > dealer, or you may void your bike warranty. > > Chris Norloff > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:37:05 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22506 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008134338.15085.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:43:38 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Re: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii *franticly running for new book of checks just ordered* WHEW! They just say "Date__________". That was almost a disaster! I couldn't imagine going to write a check for that fancy new sportbike (now moto related topic) and my checking account being frozen because of Y2k! Daniel - Dodged another Y2k horror incident --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > I ordered some new checks recently. When they showed up, there was > a note in the box telling me that my new checks were "Y2K > Compliant." It explained why -- they stopped printing "19" on the > date line. > > I kid you not. > > > Troutman wrote: > > At 03:01 PM 10/7/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > >Have you Y2K certified your oil, yet? :) > > Ooh...I TOTALLY forgot about getting that done. > Do we have a certified tester on the list? > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:37:26 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22516 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008134402.6118.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:44:02 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Re: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii *franticly running for new book of checks just ordered* WHEW! They just say "Date__________". That was almost a disaster! I couldn't imagine going to write a check for that fancy new sportbike (now moto related topic) and my checking account being frozen because of Y2k! Daniel - Dodged another Y2k horror incident --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > I ordered some new checks recently. When they showed up, there was > a note in the box telling me that my new checks were "Y2K > Compliant." It explained why -- they stopped printing "19" on the > date line. > > I kid you not. > > > Troutman wrote: > > At 03:01 PM 10/7/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > >Have you Y2K certified your oil, yet? :) > > Ooh...I TOTALLY forgot about getting that done. > Do we have a certified tester on the list? > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:40:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22539 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:40:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199910080940.AA58655308@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: I guess your right X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: rcover@XXXXXX > This is exactly the reason I don't ride it in the city. I stop >enjoying the ride. I don't know how some of you do it. For me (over 4 years of commuting into DC by bike, year round) the main reason to ride is the practicality. Cars just take too long, are too hard/expensive to park, and get caught in gridlock. I enjoy riding for my commute, especially during the change of seasons. I see and feel things I would not in a car. While some folks tell me they don't have time to ride, I get 100 mi. a week without trying. One of motorcycling's big appeals is that it's something enjoyable to do while you're doing something else (like riding to work). As far as dealing with dinosaur-brains on the road, how do I do it? I disengage. I avoid things to the maximum extent practicable, choosing lane, lane position, and position relative to other cars to make it hard if not impossible to hit me. I keep my headlight on (high beams on bright sunny days), I wear visible clothing, including a reflective vest at night, dawn, twilight, rain, and other times of low visibility. But I never expect anyone to see me or to allow me the right of way. And then I just ride through the space between the cars. They're just obstacles to avoid, and I pick my path through the space remaining. I have no interest in interacting with them, just riding around them. Or perhaps just throttling back and crusing in the right lane while the road-ragers rage their way along in the left lane. works for me, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:41:41 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22549 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008134824.20835.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:48:24 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Jerks stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bikes, babes, booze, and Guns. You're the man! You're my hero! Daniel - you're ATF public enemy #1. 2 outta 3 ain't bad! P.S. don't put a cigar in the photo or some arkansas politician will try to horn in. --- JOE NAGY wrote: > Does anyone on the list know of a good photographer who could take > a picture of 2 nekkid chix on my bike with bald Cheng Shins, each > one of em with a gun of mine and a half-empty bottle of Jack Black, > shooting holes thru helmets? TIA > Oh, and I need someone to mount the tires for me. > > Joe > > >>> - 10/7/99 2:53 PM >>> > Why? > > You saw a message that didn't say anything remotely anti-gun, not > written by me, not quoting anything I'd written, on a subject about > which I hadn't sent a single message, and decided it was time to > insult me. I don't get it. > > I'm not sure why you're so eager to start a debate that's been had > here many times before, or why you think ad hominem arguments are a > useful addition to such a debate even if we wanted to have it. I > don't really care, either. > > I just want to tell you that while I disagree with you on this > issue, I have no reason to think you're anything other than a > reasonable person with honestly-held opinions, who perhaps should > just read a little more carefully. (I have major political > disagreements with some of my best friends, actually.) Oh, also, > that I hope you're enjoying this last bit of great riding weather. > > Take care & ride safe. > > > Ken Woods wrote: > > > THERE you are!!! > > I knew you'd poke you head up eventually. > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > > Oh, get over it, and read what he actually said. And then do us > all a > > favor and don't start yet another pointless argument in dc-cycles > > about guns in which no one's opinion will change. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:45:16 1999 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22656 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alecto.bittwiddlers.com (216-164-137-151.s405.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.137.151]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23738 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13250 invoked by uid 48381); 8 Oct 1999 13:45:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:45:10 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good gloves Message-ID: <19991008094510.A13168@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i : I was just thinking the same thing.. minus the wet weather part.. : cold.. wet.. nah I don't think I nor my bike, nor my tires would : like any of that heheh. Just planning for the worst. I got caught in a rain storm about a week ago that I didn't even know was supposed to happen. Back roads, rain, cold - not a good combination. -- Matthew Harrell If a tree falls in the forest and Bit Twiddlers, Inc. crushes a mime, does anybody care? mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:49:27 1999 Return-Path: nagyj@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22694 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MartinAgency-Message_Server by iagw.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:48:35 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:48:14 -0400 From: "JOE NAGY" To: Cc: Subject: hallucination? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Friends,=20 I am shaking as I type this, because this morning I witnessed an event = that causes me to question everything I have seen and believed about the = world. I was at the gas station this morning and while I was filling up, I = watched a pickup truck pull off the road and into the station's lot. The = truck stopped, and then the driver PICKED UP HIS CEL PHONE AND BEGAN TO = DIAL. After about a minute, HE PUT DOWN HIS CEL PHONE THEN STARTED HIS = TRUCK AND DROVE AWAY. I almost poured gas on my feet. And I think I'm gonna need therapy. = Elvis, is that you? Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:57:11 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22857 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8q3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02160 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <016b01bf1194$816ed6a0$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <19991008124319.28989.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: weapons regulations... WAS=Re: Jerks stories Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:53:31 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm telling you, if you have the sheath for the baton mounted on the OUTSIDE of your clothing in plain view, you can get away with carrying almost anything. For example, back when I had graduated from high school, I worked at the local Chespeak Knife and Tool. I know much about knives, personal weapons, and swords. To my knowledge (although I heard a rumor they made this less lenient recently), in the state of Virginia, you can carry in your pocket, *concealed*, a folding knife with a blade LESS than 4 inches long. However, you can still carry any folding knife longer than 4 inches, and non-folding blades must always be carried, in plain view. This applies to swords, as an antiquated law from the civil war states that any man may carry a sword in public (don't know if this applies to women). There are exceptions to these rules. Unless you have a concealed weapons permit, you may NEVER CARRY CONCEALED any "self-assisted opening weapon" even if the blade is less than 4". This includes butterfly knives, balistic knives, folding batons, extendable batons, switchblades, angel blades (more often called stillettos, which is incorrect), or any other weapon that pops open. I'm not sure why butterfly knives are included, as they neither open themselves, and, unless you are quite good, a regular knife will be much faster. So, seeing as ASP makes several very nice sheaths for their batons, just carry the thing in plain view, as most people won't realise what it is anyways. hehehe.... Also, to my knowledge, in DC, you can't carry SHIT...period. Kirt 99 F4 > Heheh It wont' get me 3 years as I don't carry one. > Three years for carrying a metal stick.. Anyone see something gone > awry? Personally, I feel a motorcyclist should be able to carry > one.. no harm no foul.. and if someone miss uses it, then fry > his or her ass. > > God forbid some idiot who abuses dogs and raises them for fighting > has his dog get loose on a motorcyclist.. let's just all wait for > 2 or 3 minutes for the police to arrive as he gets chewed up.. > Okay so maybe a baton isn't ideal in this situation.. but we all know > there are some aggressive dogs out there.. > > Daniel > - Firm believer that every honest citizen should know how to use and > (optionally) carry gun, and every crook shouldn't. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 09:57:49 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22877 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:57:48 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id JAA0000022387; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:58:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 I hear that if you try to use one of the non-Y2K compliant checks in a store, it causes the cash register to explode, at which point the storeowner has to go to a mountain in West Virginia and eat self-heating meals for six months. Daniel aka ITM wrote: > *franticly running for new book of checks just ordered* WHEW! They just say "Date__________". That was almost a disaster! I couldn't imagine going to write a check for that fancy new sportbike (now moto related topic) and my checking account being frozen because of Y2k! Daniel - Dodged another Y2k horror incident --- johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > I ordered some new checks recently. When they showed up, there was > a note in the box telling me that my new checks were "Y2K > Compliant." It explained why -- they stopped printing "19" on the > date line. > > I kid you not. > > > Troutman wrote: > > At 03:01 PM 10/7/99 , Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > >Have you Y2K certified your oil, yet? :) > > Ooh...I TOTALLY forgot about getting that done. > Do we have a certified tester on the list? > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:03:15 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22942 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008140907.10640.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 07:09:07 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:09:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heh heh that' would have been pretty amusing to punch him right after he said "I won't persue legal action" hehehe. What an idiot. My dog likes to hop around my motorcycle, lawnmower, wheel cart (and sometimes trashcan) but she definitely is obedient, when I say stop she stops, and she doesn't leave the yard when I have the gate open, to bring the bike in or out. Of course I took the care to make sure she wouldn't first. There is this one street here that a dog would sometimes pop out and chase me.. I was starting to get pissed..so after about 4 or 5 times, the last time, i see a cop on the corner talking to another cop. So I park the bike,remove the helmet and walk over, and tell him the situation. So I ask him to follow me and watch the dog run out and chase me, using myself as bait. So we go, and the dog doesn't show! hehe, and it was only like a minute ago. Oh well I suppose that's better than me hitting it. Atleast I showed the cop the location. Hopefully the owner saw me and the cop sitting out front and figured out what was going on, and will keep the dog in the yard in the future. I personally understand dogs do happen to get out once in a while, and hate to see them go to the pound, but when it's a constant thing, this is a problem for the dogs saftey as well as ours. Daniel - I love dogs, but hate the stupid owners. --- Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: > >>God forbid some idiot who abuses dogs and raises them for > fighting > has his dog get loose on a motorcyclist.. let's just all wait for > 2 or 3 minutes for the police to arrive as he gets chewed up.. > Okay so maybe a baton isn't ideal in this situation.. but we all > know > there are some aggressive dogs out there..<< > > And don't forget "stupid" in your description. In the early 90's > one of my > neighbors wasn't able to stop his very stupid Pit Bull from running > out > into the street right in front of me. The neighbor explained to me > later > that day (after he returned from the animal clinic) that the dog > thought my > motorcycle was a ball rolling down the road that needed to be > caught. > > I ended up running over the dog and low siding the bike 50 yards > from my > driveway entrance. As I was picking up the bike, I didn't have to > worry > about the aggressive Pit Bull any more since it just lost the > battle with a > 600 pound ball rolling down the street. It was attempting to tuck > its > little tail between its legs as it limped away. It turns out it > only had a > broken leg. > > And get this. After he told me the reason the dog chased me, he > had the > nerve to tell me that he wasn't going to pursue any legal actions. > Lucky > for him the damage to me and my bike was fairly minor (handle bars > and a > foot peg needed replacing) so I decided not to punch his light out > right > there on the spot. I guess the guy was as stupid as his dog. > > From then on, whenever I would follow this neighbor out of the > neighborhood, that dog would go crazy in the back seat of that guys > car. > He would bark uncontrollably he wanted to get to me so badly. Too > bad the > poor dog didn't have an owner with an IQ above 50. > > Steve Beck > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:06:01 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23031 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA25145 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:05:54 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:45:37 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF1171.E0040640.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: lost clothing on the beltway... Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:45:36 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope you find it. I dropped my Ericcson out of the jacket pocket that I forgot to zip up. Hit the beltway at 65-70 MPH and bounced a few times. I looked over my shoulder to see a Mayflower moving van hit it with all 18 wheels and he would used the spare too, if he could have gotten it out in time. I pulled over, walked back a few hundred yards, found the battery, then the phone, put them back together in time to answer a call. Its missing a chunk of plastic but gets used every day. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - parking stop to a &)*%&( Ford Escort AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "In the Parade of Life, some folks are born to sit on the curb and clap." -----Original Message----- From: Daniel aka ITM [SMTP:itm_2k@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:01 AM To: Kirt S.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lost clothing on the beltway... lost and found msges good idea.. If anyone found an erricson cell phone (aug 28) on the roads of addison road or landover road or central avenue near freestate.. it's mine.. and I'd like to get the phone #'s out of it hehe. I think I stood up to go over a bump and it flew out my pocket.. or maybe i didn't put it in my pocket when i used it at the KFC parking lot on MLK blvd. be happy it was just long johns and not a $100 phone :) Daniel - mr telephone man, there's somethign wrong with my line --- "Kirt S." wrote: > DAMNIT...on my way back from the evil coleman powersport (had to > pick up a > bolt on my lunch break, and they are the closest Honda dealer), I > apparently > forgot to zipper my backpack all the way shut... MY EXTRA LONG > JOHNS SHIRT > FLEW OUT. So, if anyopne sees a long-sleeved white long johns > shirt laying > in or around coleman, falls church, annandale, or on the beltway > it's > mine... :-) > > Kirt > 99 F4 > "loved that shirt...had it since my first bike" > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:06:23 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23041 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4JZHTPKP>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:06:07 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CB1B@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Steve_Beck@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Jerks stories Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:06:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) UFB, I think on that statement you have said its a good thing I don't sue your ass for not having your dog on a leash and causing me to crash!!! Leash laws are prevalent just about everywhere now. Glenn >And get this. After he told me the reason the dog chased me, he had the >nerve to tell me that he wasn't going to pursue any legal actions. Lucky >for him the damage to me and my bike was fairly minor (handle bars and a >foot peg needed replacing) so I decided not to punch his light out right >there on the spot. I guess the guy was as stupid as his dog. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:13:22 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com (na-ex-bridge1.nai.com [208.228.228.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23156 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4KNPKQHY>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:14:22 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B293B@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Matthew Harrell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good gloves Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:12:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FWIW: I purchased a pair of XL (or was that XXL?) rubber gloves (in bright orange, no less) and keep them in the tank bag, or wherever, for just such an event. They fit nicely over my unlined gauntlets and don't seem to have too much impact on control feel. I actually got mine from The Rider's Warehouse for about $4.00 (I don't remember exactly) but if you can find them large enough, you could probably just pick some up at the grocery store, or WalMart, or wherever. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Harrell [mailto:mharrell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:45 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good gloves : I was just thinking the same thing.. minus the wet weather part.. : cold.. wet.. nah I don't think I nor my bike, nor my tires would : like any of that heheh. Just planning for the worst. I got caught in a rain storm about a week ago that I didn't even know was supposed to happen. Back roads, rain, cold - not a good combination. -- Matthew Harrell If a tree falls in the forest and Bit Twiddlers, Inc. crushes a mime, does anybody care? mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:14:44 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23166 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16094; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:13:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991008101252.01654f00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:13:48 -0400 To: "Kirt S." From: Troutman Subject: Re: weapons regulations... WAS=Re: Jerks stories Cc: In-Reply-To: <016b01bf1194$816ed6a0$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> References: <19991008124319.28989.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Code of Virginia on Concealed Weapons.... =A7 18.2-308.2 Possession or transportation of firearms or concealed weapons by convicted= =20 felons; penalties; petition for permit; when issued A. It shall be unlawful for (i) any person who has been convicted of a=20 felony or (ii) any person under the age of twenty-nine who was found guilty= =20 as a juvenile fourteen years of age or older at the time of the offense of= =20 a delinquent act which would be a felony if committed by an adult, whether= =20 such conviction or adjudication occurred under the laws of this=20 Commonwealth, or any other state, the District of Columbia, the United=20 States or any territory thereof, to knowingly and intentionally possess or= =20 transport any firearm or to knowingly and intentionally carry about his person, hidden from common observation,=20 any weapon described in =A7 18.2-308 A. Any person who violates this section= =20 shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony. However, any person who violates this= =20 section by knowingly and intentionally possessing or transporting any=20 firearm and who was previously convicted of a violent felony as defined in= =20 =A717.1-805 shall not be eligible for probation, and shall be sentenced to a= =20 minimum, mandatory term of imprisonment of five years. Any person who=20 violates this section by knowingly and intentionally possessing or transporting any firearm and who= =20 was previously convicted of any other felony shall not be eligible for=20 probation, and shall be sentenced to a minimum, mandatory term of=20 imprisonment of two years. The minimum, mandatory terms of imprisonment=20 prescribed for violations of this section shall not be suspended in whole=20 or in part and shall be served consecutively with any other sentence. Any=20 firearm or any concealed weapon possessed, transported or carried in=20 violation of this section shall be forfeited to the Commonwealth and disposed of as provided in =A718.2-310. B. The prohibitions of subsection A shall not apply to (i) any person who=20 possesses a firearm or other weapon while carrying out his duties as a=20 member of the armed forces of the United States or of the National Guard of= =20 Virginia or of any other state, (ii) any law-enforcement officer in the=20 performance of his duties, or (iii) any person who has been pardoned or=20 whose political disabilities have been removed pursuant to Article V,=20 Section 12 of the Constitution of Virginia provided the Governor, in the=20 document granting the pardon or removing the person's political disabilities, may expressly place conditions upon=20 the reinstatement of the person's right to ship, transport, possess or=20 receive firearms. C. Any person prohibited from possessing, transporting or carrying a=20 firearm under subsection A, may petition the circuit court of the=20 jurisdiction in which he resides for a permit to possess or carry a=20 firearm; however, no person who has been convicted of a felony shall be=20 qualified to petition for such a permit unless his civil rights have been=20 restored by the Governor or other appropriate authority. The court may, in= =20 its discretion and for good cause shown, grant such petition and issue a=20 permit. The provisions of this section shall not apply to any person who has been granted a permit pursuant to this subsection. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org God, help me to consider people's feelings, even if most of them are hypersensitive. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:23:30 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23296 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8q3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14762 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03fb01bf1198$31d81850$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <199910080929.AA210043358@piglet.toward.com> Subject: this is "dc-cycles" Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:19:55 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Not trying to be a dick, but the description of this site says an UNMODERATED discussion group. Anyone that doesn't want to read a message can do something about it. As human beings, we have been blessed (cursed? hehe) with free will. Use that o-so-powerful free will to hit the delete key. I would be more than willing to put in extremely descriptive subject lines, if it will shut everybody up when someone has a varying opinion on something not explicitly related to motorcycling. Funny thing is, is that it's usually something related to the thing on the back of the motorcycle, also known as the rider. Also, another thing, everybody needs to relax.... Life is much better when you don't flip out about the little shit. Think about this like TV. If you're on a channel you don't like, change it. If your reading a thread you don't like, stop reading and find one you do like. Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:30:25 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23440 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22008 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:31:23 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8864@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: monkey wrenching (was RE: Authorized Honda service...) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:31:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain tg says: >jobs anyway. Why pay $50+ and hour for work by >somebody who PROBABLY isn't even using a torque wrench >on all the bolts that require one? Man, have you got that right!! I have no idea who did my oil filter last before I took ownership of my faithful Seca, but I can tell you I now know the true meaning of the phrase "gorilla gripped" bolts. The funny thing is the housing has stamped/forged right on the case 11 ft/lbs as the maximum torque. Go figure, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:32:27 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23460 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA04868 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991008102936.00821c90@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:29:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Roadcrafters and yes, by the way, this is "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:29 AM 10/8/99 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Craig >>But by no means should you feel in a position to dictate what shall be >>said. > > >This list is named "dc-cycles" because it's about motorcycles, and motorcyclists in Washington, DC. > >Discussions outside these basic parameters should go on other lists. I agree entirely with Chris (his latter message also)! As a two-wheeled enthusiast (avoid cage usage more than 1 or twice a week), I despise and discourage road-rage for my own safety. My thoughts? Life in the DC area contains, of course, a melting pot of people with diverse opinions. We need to respect, understand and, even at times, yield to others. USUALLY the Rage starts as nothing personal and not deliberately against another; people around here are often too stressed to be aware of their reckless behavior. As a cyclist of more than 13yrs, I just keep my eyes wide open, mumble to myself, and cover the brakes at all times. I see, and sometimes feel, the rage myself; but riding is so much more enjoyable. Relax! Breathe! Let it go, and just Ride!! (life is too precious and too short) Now; back to the subjects that really matter: For those who wear 'crafters (just purchased mine this summer); what layering system do you advise for winter riding. I was comfy this morning just wearing a sweatshirt for extra layering. Would electrics be better (though I'd need to wire the bike)? Regards, Bob 97 VFR w/ Givi HRCA #934354 USCF #0148806 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:49:38 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23698 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA10925 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:52:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199910081352.JAA10925@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:45:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: this is "dc-cycles" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <03fb01bf1198$31d81850$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Kirk S. wrote: > Not trying to be a dick, but the description of this site says an > UNMODERATED discussion group. Anyone that doesn't want to read a message > can do something about it. As human beings, we have been blessed (cursed? > hehe) with free will. Use that o-so-powerful free will to hit the delete > key. Fine by me. I'm not going to try and tell people what they can, and cannot talk about. However, if you want to talk about guns, helmets, etc., please be sure to put the the word "gun" or "helmet" in the subject heading so may mail filter knows to send it directly to the trash. Thanks. -John N. 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:50:20 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23777 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:50:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199910081050.AA58655302@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Roadcrafters X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Robert Rapp >For those who wear 'crafters (just purchased mine this summer); what >layering system do you advise for winter riding. I was comfy this morning >just wearing a sweatshirt for extra layering. Would electrics be better Using an electric vest was one of the best decisions I've ever made, and I've never regretted it. Clothing under an Aerostich has a lot to do with personal preference, but I use backpacker's windbreaking pants and jacket, with a thin polar fleece lining as appropriate. Wool socks, a thin sweater, polar fleece neck gaiter, silk head cover, wool pants as needed. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 10:58:47 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com (na-ex-bridge1.nai.com [208.228.228.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23907 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4KNPKQ75>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:59:49 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B293D@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Robert Rapp'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Roadcrafters and yes, by the way, this is "dc-cycles" Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:57:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Robert, To each his own, but I've got to say "Electrics RULE!" I was given a Widder 'lectric vest and thermostat control as a going away present when I left my last job in December of last year. I basically went home, wired it up and wore it under my Kilamanjaro jacket until Spring. I tried it with the liner in the jacket and found that I didn't need it. So, I pulled the liner and just ran the vest over my normal street clothes. I should also point out that I ride a Concours, so I've got a good bit of wind protection from the fairing and that does make a difference. I also love the vest this time of year. I use it in the morning, when it's 40 degrees and then either just wear the vest, without power, or toss it in a bag in the afternoon, when it's 60 or 70 degrees. All in all, it is a very versatile piece of gear. Wiring in a vest shouldn't be a problem on most modern bikes. I don't know that I'd try it on an older Brit bike, though... ;^) Regards, Perry -----Original Message----- From: Robert Rapp [mailto:rrapp@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:30 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Roadcrafters and yes, by the way, this is "dc-cycles" . . . Now; back to the subjects that really matter: For those who wear 'crafters (just purchased mine this summer); what layering system do you advise for winter riding. I was comfy this morning just wearing a sweatshirt for extra layering. Would electrics be better (though I'd need to wire the bike)? Regards, Bob 97 VFR w/ Givi HRCA #934354 USCF #0148806 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 11:06:27 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24093 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008151301.24594.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.166] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 08:13:01 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel aka ITM Subject: email address change To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I forgot who maintains the email list. I'd like to have my email changed from teh current one to: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX. Yahoo is just too slow and lagged sometimes. thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 11:25:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24394 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:25:10 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA13566; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:25:36 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa00222; Fri, 8 Oct 99 09:30:49 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJA00AC5DO598@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256804.004A130A ; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:29:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:28:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256804.004A04FC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL If you people who insist on bringing up guns on the list think that it's just hunky dory and your right to free speech, fine. Just think about the fact that you have an obligation to stick to the subject of this mailing list. People read this list to hear about and discuss motorcycles, not guns. I'm not the list administrator, and I don't want to be. I'm just sick of the repeated threads about who's got a Heckler & Koch this or a Beretta that, when all it does is run people off the list. What is wrong with going to a gun list to discuss this? Why is that idea unacceptable? They're organized for that topic and would love to hear from you! 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 11:34:22 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24572 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22966 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:35:21 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8866@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: fall not quite winter gear Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:35:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Just having layers of clothes has worked for me, but sadly, I no longer can wear all the layers beneath my rain suit as I could years back. Oh well, maybe that fancy, all-weather, body-armour suit is the way to go. Just this week a guy on the XJ list said he saved his knee with the Aero-something suit. But, for this morning, wool sweater as a jacket liner was fine. Maybe this will be the return of the "year-round-biker" for me. Hope my trusty Seca stead holds out, about time for the pre-freeze tune-up package. Have fun, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 11:44:48 1999 Return-Path: brad@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.pgcc.net ([204.91.230.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24750 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: brad@XXXXXX Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by ns2.pgcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14157; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:51:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:51:10 -0400 (EDT) To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Electrics Was: Roadcrafters In-Reply-To: <199910081050.AA58655302@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Using an electric vest was one of the best decisions I've ever made, > Chris Norloff I'm not sure how I managed last winter, but this year, it's time for electrics. Any particular models that I might want to investigate? I understand Widder is one of the better brands to have? I'd like something that plugs into a BMW-style electric plug, as I intend to add a few of these to my bike. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Brad 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 11:55:49 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from mail.uunt.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24882 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by mail.uunt.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18508 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910081549.LAA18508@mail.uunt.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Keeping warm In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:29:37 EDT." <3.0.32.19991008102936.00821c90@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:50:08 -0400 From: Mark In your message dated: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:29:37 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => At 09:29 AM 10/8/99 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: => Now; back to the subjects that really matter: => => For those who wear 'crafters (just purchased mine this summer); what => layering system do you advise for winter riding. I was comfy this morning => just wearing a sweatshirt for extra layering. Would electrics be better => (though I'd need to wire the bike)? Sweatshirts are OK, and a down vest is another choice. If you really want to stay warm, electrics are the _only_ answer. Here's my solution (after about 12 years of experimenting): I've got Gerbing's un-insulated electric jacket. It draws 90W, is much warmer than an electric vest, heats more evenly than any vest I've tried, and packs up smaller. One of the real advantages for me is that it's less bulky that a lot of passive layering. I had mine "custom made" with a layer of reflective aluminized mylar fabric (spaceblanket material) between the wires and the outer nylon shell. This provides a wind/vapor barrier, and reflects a lot of the heat from the wiring. I can comfortably ride with the jacket turned off and a medium weight shirt for hours in 50 degree weather. This morning (about 46 when I left the house) I was turning the jacket on and off--it was too warm to be left on. Downsides to my rig: the jacket isn't as "warm & cozy" as a vest when turned off, and it's not as fashionable. There are no exterior pockets. It costs about 1.75x most electric vests. If I ever manage to finish moving in and find time to attend a DC-Cycles ride, you're welcome to check it out. Mark => => Regards, => => => => => => Bob => => 97 VFR w/ Givi => HRCA #934354 => USCF #0148806 => ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 12:23:39 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25316 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04689 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:23:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Electrics Was: Roadcrafters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 brad@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm not sure how I managed last winter, but this year, it's time for > electrics. Any particular models that I might want to investigate? I > understand Widder is one of the better brands to have? I'd like something > that plugs into a BMW-style electric plug, as I intend to add a few of > these to my bike. Any suggestions are appreciated. BMW shops will carry BMW hookups for Widder made vests (and perhaps others, I only know about the Widder ones). Widder makes the BMW vests (which I've got). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 12:41:22 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25522 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:58:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199910081258.AA203424344@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Electrics Was: Roadcrafters X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: brad@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:51:10 -0400 (EDT) > Any particular models that I might want to investigate? I >understand Widder is one of the better brands to have? I'd like >something that plugs into a BMW-style electric plug, as I intend >to add a few of these to my bike. Any suggestions are appreciated. Brad, Pat Widder is a great guy, and very supportive of motorcyclists in general and Long Distance riders in particular, and his gear is extremely well made. But he doesn't have the one thing I wanted, a completely heated jacket liner, sleeves, torso, neck, all in one garment. Gerbing has them. www.gerbing.com They work well. I just ordered one for Tracy, too. They can be fitted with the BMW plugs, just ask. They've also got electric pants, gloves, socks, and fully heated two piece suits that supposedly rival Aerostich's for quality and protection. I'll be checking one of these out in a week or two, I'll give more feedback then. The Gerbing jacket liner can be ordered either insulated or non-insulated. The non-insulated one is pretty much a double sided windbreaker with wires in between. Very thin, could fit under a tight jacket no problems. Put out lots of heat, so order the on-off switch, at a minimum. Lifetime guarantee on the electrics - can't beat that. I'm very happy with mine. I used to just layer and ride and endure the cold for a while, but it was approaching the point where it almost (I said almost) wasn't fun anymore. With the electrics, I can be comfortable down into insanely low temperatures. :) Horkster, toasty warm this morning... :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 12:47:17 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25651 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4JZHTZC5>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CB36@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:47:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Because there are very few people on gun lists that like to ride and shoot at the same time. Just the other day I was on a gun list talking about shooting street signs in WV with my 12 gauge Mossburg 500 while dragging pegs around a corner when the rear tire slid out on the VFR. Unfortunately, I struck a bald eagle instead, killing it dead and nobody knew what the hell I was talking about. It was quite frustrating to say the least. Glenn >that, when all it does is run people off the list. What is wrong with going >to a gun list to discuss this? Why is that idea unacceptable? They're >organized for that topic and would love to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 12:48:58 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25679 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25311 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01bd01bf11ad$2ee5f4e0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:50:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey, I like motorcycles. I like to ride motorcycles. I like to wrench on motorcycles. I like to talk about motorcycles. I like to discuss motorcycles.... Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 13:14:14 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26143 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256804.005EA519 ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:13:46 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256804.005E58E0.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:13:42 -0400 Subject: Fowl (or is that foul?) Road kill Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ROTFLOL - Hey Glenn I hope you picked that bird up and brought it home for dinner. It's legal in WV ya know. ;-) Steve >>Because there are very few people on gun lists that like to ride and shoot at the same time. Just the other day I was on a gun list talking about shooting street signs in WV with my 12 gauge Mossburg 500 while dragging pegs around a corner when the rear tire slid out on the VFR. Unfortunately, I struck a bald eagle instead, killing it dead and nobody knew what the hell I was talking about. It was quite frustrating to say the least. Glenn<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 13:22:12 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26263 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:39:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199910081339.AA449118500@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:47:13 -0400 > Unfortunately, I struck a bald eagle instead, killing it dead and > nobody knew what the hell I was talking about. Cool! Are you gonna have the bald eagle stuffed and mounted to display over the fireplace. Talk about politically incorrect! Motorcycle content: You could paint the outline of an eagle on your tank now. 4 more, and you'll be an Ace. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 13:27:17 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26353 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:27:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id aNGZa14299 (4246); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.bee37aac.252f832e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:26:06 EDT Subject: Re: this is "dc-cycles" To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 10/8/99 10:29:49 AM, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: >If you're reading a thread you don't like, stop reading and find one you do >like. yes! take responsibility for yourself instead of trying to force everyone else to do it "your" way. :D thank you very much. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 13:49:06 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26662 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8q3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13454 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <055001bf11b4$eac90010$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <01bd01bf11ad$2ee5f4e0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> Subject: Re: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:45:31 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 me too me too Kirt 99 F4 > Hey, > > I like motorcycles. I like to ride motorcycles. I like to wrench on > motorcycles. I like to talk about motorcycles. I like to discuss > motorcycles.... > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > '93 DR 350 (for sale) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 13:51:33 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26741 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8q3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14321 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <056201bf11b5$42970710$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CB36@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Subject: Re: Take This Gun Crap Somewhere Else Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:47:59 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 LOL! Kirt 99 F4 > Because there are very few people on gun lists that like to ride and shoot > at the same time. Just the other day I was on a gun list talking about > shooting street signs in WV with my 12 gauge Mossburg 500 while dragging > pegs around a corner when the rear tire slid out on the VFR. Unfortunately, > I struck a bald eagle instead, killing it dead and nobody knew what the hell > I was talking about. It was quite frustrating to say the least. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 14:36:28 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27498 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Art of the Motorcycle Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:35:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Art of the Motorcycle I went to hear Charlie Falco give the talk at NIST. He's funny and entertaining. Gave some background on how they picked bikes for the show. Nice presentation on how motorcycle design has reflected both the materials available ('40s Brit bike with silver alloy head to improve heat transfer), technological advances, cultural climate, and the current styles. He noted that the tradition of the western saddle reflects the cruiser saddle while the English saddle reflects European motorcycles; that in Europe, few roads are straight and require maneuverability while in the U.S. there are many flat straight stretches (He owns Ducks and old Brit iron). He made a good pitch for getting kids interesting physics and engineering. He also said the show opens in Bilbao in late November and it will be better than the NY show. Q&A session was interesting, most of the audience seemed to be engineers. ?Why aren't more motorcycles used for commuting? Frost and other forms of frozen water (Falco is from Tucson.). Future trends? He noted the Rotac is used in several different bikes and thought that was a trend, i.e., use common high cost components in different designs. Thus, a new bike doesn't have such a high startup cost. After the talk he also though microprocessors would make an efficient 2-stroke. Do motorcycles have to be so loud? No Well most that pass me seem to be loud. I popped in with, "Then you've never been whooshed by an ST or Venture." It went downhill when some mute donkey offered that he felt safer on his HD with loud pipes. Falco said most of the sound is behind the bike and thus is a poor warning. The silent burro then went into a discourse about how the lights on his cruiser made him more visible from behind. I'm thinking about the "first rule of Italian racing". I left as Mr. Conspicuous began praising the cruiser sitting position over that of a Gold Wing. Bet he has conchos on his black leather to make him more visible. Carl in Bethesda "Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."- Ogden Nash (Harley Muse) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 15:46:52 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28584 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'mharrell@XXXXXX'" Subject: Good gloves Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:46:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Matthew Harrell mused, "After riding in this morning I realized that I probably need to get a good pair of winter gloves." Lots of choices, many compromises. For me: For warmth: the grip heaters from RiderWearHouse (Made in Asheville, NC?) have been the best choice. I have an off-on switch mounted on the left mirror stalk so I can switch em on or off with my thumb as needed. Before the grip heaters, I went through a lot of glove and mitten combinations (non electric tho); the best was a polartec mitten under an Olympic MC Mitten (special order at Myers). For wet, some recommend extra large Playtex over your regular glove or large neoprene lab gloves with big gauntlets. I've not found them too comfortable. I usually use neoprene foam gloves (in the hunting section of Wal-Mart ~$9.00) or OR overmittens (REI ~$30). A throttle lock is very handy. Leon Begeman offered "I use Widder gloves, but have Gerbing socks." And an AeroStitch around the middle. Call him "Mr. Diversity" or Mr. Non-Commitment? ;^) but he has more long distance experience than me. Oh yes, for long trips in the winter, electric vests or sweaters are highly recommended. If you're not ready to pony up that much, a Polartec 200 will get you through most, Polartec 300 through more but find a warm spot if you get sleepy . . . and want to wake up. Carl in Bethesda Don't need loud pipes, I have big honking tooters From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 15:56:28 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28731 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA08919; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:55:03 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006251; Fri, 8 Oct 99 13:34:07 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJA004IBOY3A7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256804.00605C95 ; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 13:32:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 13:31:45 -0400 Subject: Re: this is "dc-cycles" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256804.006050E3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL How about if you're watching Speedvision, and instead of airing the World Superbike race you've been looking forward to, they decide to show a program on animal husbandry instead? How do you think you'd feel? Pissed off? I would... Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: "Kirt S." Think about this like TV. If you're on a channel you don't like, change it. If your reading a thread you don't like, stop reading and find one you do like. Kirt 99 F4 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 16:34:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29381 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01812 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08411 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17422 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:33:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991008162933.015d7a00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:33:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Helmet Surgery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well, sitting at my office desk, I just had a bit of helmet surgery on my RF800. A pair of scissors dug into the firm styro, making room for a pair of headphones. 30 minutes later, and the cord has been secured with velcro, and all the little bits of styro are swept from my desk. The sound from my CD-player is amazing now that the speakers are embedded in the helmet. It seems to resonate through the shell. Very cool. Now I am checking the web for clarification of the "headphones while driving law" so I can talk my way out of a ticket if I need to. I figure its not much worse than MC communicators as far as distractions go. Not like I could hear through the helmet _before_ I put the speakers in, so whats the difference.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 16:51:35 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29779 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA11356; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:50:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: this is "dc-cycles" In-Reply-To: <85256804.006050E3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII heh heh heh... No postings from me today, and the gun thread lives. heh heh heh........ On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > How about if you're watching Speedvision, and instead of airing the World > Superbike race you've been looking forward to, they decide to show a > program on animal husbandry instead? How do you think you'd feel? Pissed > off? I would... > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > > > From: "Kirt S." > Think about this like TV. If you're on a channel you don't like, change > it. If > your reading a thread you don't like, stop reading and find one you do > like. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 17:22:10 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00433 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FJA00IT0ZBO8R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:21:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA32242 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:21:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.249.2]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991008212124.QAFP9275@toddnt> for ; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:21:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 17:18:31 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Talk about something else RE: this is "dc-cycles" In-reply-to: <85256804.006050E3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001101bf11d2$abc8ef60$02f929a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I thought I'd stay out of this, heeding my own unspoken advice which is: if you don't like the topic change it. And that actually works given your scenario Chris. Just change the topic. You must, of course, realize that pleading for a topic change/dismissal/revocation simply adds fuel to a fire you're trying to put out. Someone mentioned earlier that at the very least, if your topic of discussion is non-moto then you should place the "non-moto" wording in the subject. That seems reasonable enough. That way, people won't tune in to your channel if they don't want to. Or, in the case of this list, if the same irritating topic continues to fill your inbox, you know to just delete it. You already know what the thread is about, no need to work yourself into a froth over it. If Harry proclaims DC-Cycles to be a strictly motorcycle content list, and enforces the rules accordingly, you have every right to blow your stack when people stray. However, this is an open discussion list for Motorcyclists, and it has always been generally on the topic of all things motorcycles. Sometimes it ain't. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 1:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: this is "dc-cycles" > > > How about if you're watching Speedvision, and instead of airing the World > Superbike race you've been looking forward to, they decide to show a > program on animal husbandry instead? How do you think you'd feel? Pissed > off? I would... > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > > > From: "Kirt S." > Think about this like TV. If you're on a channel you don't like, change > it. If > your reading a thread you don't like, stop reading and find one you do > like. > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 18:38:16 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web508.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01769 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991008223811.17209.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.215] by web508.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:38:11 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Jerks stories To: Daniel aka ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Daniel aka ITM wrote: > Heheh It wont' get me 3 years as I don't carry one. > Three years for carrying a metal stick.. Anyone see > something gone awry? Carrying a concealed 'metal stick' designed to break (and I mean BREAK) somebody's face? I don't see anything wrong with penalizing it severely, especially if the concealer is somebody who'll pull it out while you're simply pummeling him with your fists and feet. ;) Uh oh....moto content missing. Get on the case pronto Sheriff Weaver! We didn't elect you to sit around and watch us police ourselves! ;) again -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 19:48:02 1999 Return-Path: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02852 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:48:00 -0400 (EDT) From: rcover@XXXXXX Received: from rcover (adsl-151-200-23-94.bellatlantic.net [151.200.23.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA23713 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991008194351.007cf740@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: rcover@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:43:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I guess your right In-Reply-To: <199910080940.AA58655308@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:40 AM 10/8/99 -0400, you wrote: >For me (over 4 years of commuting into DC by bike, year round) the main reason to ride is the practicality. Cars just take too long, are too hard/expensive to park, and get caught in gridlock. I enjoy riding for my commute, especially during the change of seasons. I see and feel things I would not in a car. While some folks tell me they don't have time to ride, I get 100 mi. a week without trying. > >One of motorcycling's big appeals is that it's something enjoyable to do while you're doing something else (like riding to work). > >As far as dealing with dinosaur-brains on the road, how do I do it? I disengage. I avoid things to the maximum extent practicable, choosing lane, lane position, and position relative to other cars to make it hard if not impossible to hit me. I keep my headlight on (high beams on bright sunny days), I wear visible clothing, including a reflective vest at night, dawn, twilight, rain, and other times of low visibility. But I never expect anyone to see me or to allow me the right of way. I would agree with this. I get 44 mi. a day, but I don't ride every day. I don't have the time to get the kind of riding I would like. I'm a conservative rider. Not exactly a Sunday driver, but not trying to peg the speedo either. I expect the same things from cagers as you, nothing. Except their sole purpose for being on the road is to cause me to have an accident. Maybe this is my problem. I have the wrong attitude. I just don't enjoy riding in the traffic anymore. I don't split traffic so its not a time saver in that respect. Now give me a mountain road and I'll be gone all day when I can get the time. Rick Cover From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 20:13:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03243 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02715 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14211 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:13:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199910082013.AA54264238@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: Helmet Surgery X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Now I am checking the web for clarification of the "headphones while >driving law" so I can talk my way out of a ticket if I need to. Check the VA laws online (I think you're in VA, aren't you?). Helmet speakers are legal if they're part of a mc communication system -- it's supposed to be for 2-way, but radio/tape is communication of a sort, I suppose. But you won't get hassled -- I've never even HEARD of anyone getting questionned about helmet speakers or earplugs. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 8 23:50:51 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f174.hotmail.com [209.185.131.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06599 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10571 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 1999 03:50:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19991009035017.10570.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.134.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:50:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.134.137] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hallucination? Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:50:16 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >The truck stopped, and then the driver PICKED UP HIS CEL PHONE AND >BEGAN >TO DIAL. After about a minute, HE PUT DOWN HIS CEL PHONE THEN >STARTED HIS >TRUCK AND DROVE AWAY. He forgot that turning the little key next to the steering-wheel kills the engine, he had to call his wife to ask how to turn it back on. --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 04:10:13 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA13591 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28606 invoked from network); 9 Oct 1999 08:16:50 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 1999 08:16:50 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA06053; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:12:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199910090812.EAA06053@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Jerks stories On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:10:35 -0400 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >And don't forget "stupid" in your description. In the early 90's one of my >neighbors wasn't able to stop his very stupid Pit Bull from running out >into the street right in front of me. (snip) My dad had a neighbor w/a Pit Bull mix that would ignore cars,but always chased my dad's bikes. He was finally cured of the habit one day when he came after my Buell. I was just leaving and was reaching down to adjust my choke and didn't see him coming. He made contact with one of my heavy-duty,non-retracting,HD issue footpegs. Hasn't chased a bike since. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 04:21:42 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA13763 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18873 invoked from network); 9 Oct 1999 08:28:25 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 1999 08:28:25 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA06669; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:24:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:24:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199910090824.EAA06669@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Roadcrafters and yes, by the way, this is On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:29:37 -0400 Robert Rapp wrote: >For those who wear 'crafters (just purchased mine this summer); what >layering system do you advise for winter riding. I was comfy this morning >just wearing a sweatshirt for extra layering. Would electrics be better >(though I'd need to wire the bike)? If you're going to go with layering,use anything with Thinsulate. It's some of the warmest stuff on earth. I have a jacket w/Thinsulate liner and I can't use the liner unless it's <30deg out. The Sportsman's Guide(http://www.sportsmansguide.com/) has Thinsulate-lined jeans. I currently have a pair of flannel-lined,and knowing how well they work,the T-lined should be the 'hot' ticket for this winter. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 10:47:25 1999 Return-Path: Cathy.Love@XXXXXX Received: from dadc001.HQ.AF.MIL (dadc001.hq.af.mil [134.205.95.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19499 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:50:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsub Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:47:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Going out of town for a while. From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 15:58:30 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23630 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991009195904.10564.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:59:04 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Jerk Stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry in advance to those that can't stand the weapons thread...I left the subject line the same so you cn autodelete (and for the digesters, I've snipped all the previous email) Daniel, Thnakfully, no, I have never had to use either my gun(s) or asp baton for personal protection (and yeah,I NEVER locked my doors living in tyson's corner :)). And hopefully, I never will.... but should the need arise, I would not have one bit of remorse for ending someones life if they violated my property or safety of myself or family. The reason an asp would get you as much as a gun is cause they are both very similarly lethal.. yeah, one could argue a baseball bat is too, but they don't kill as easily as an asp (and I believe you could also get in trouble with a baseball bat under certain conditions). The asp delivers a very dense and very lethal impact much more intense than a flashlight or baseball bat (I used to carry a 6 cell maglight in the back seat, cause it will do a damn good defense job and has other usefullness such as light while changing tires, lost keys, etc.) While doing my law enforcement training at the academy and while on the ship, I got all dressed up in Macho Gear (thick red padding) and two of us went at it with the RUBBER asp batons... even with an inch and a half padding and a rubber baton, one well placed strike to the nerve centers on the inner thigh or back of the leg (where they train us to strike for take downs) easily put anyone in the class on the ground and mroe or less imobilized... they trained us in quite a few other manners of use in both folded and extended positions too.. I'm a firm believer in their capabilitites :) And for Ken, I give a thumbs up to the Star Firestar +. You can get it in 9mm or .40. It is the same height and length as a walther ppk, and only a tad thicker. Pre ban versions like mine, hold 14 rounds!!! Wearing loose jeans or comfortable slacks, it easily fits in the front pocket unnoticed. also, it's been very reliable and surprisingly accurate for such a short barrel length.... Mine is somewhere over a thousand rounds through it right now without ever having a jam or misfire... And for those that can't stand the off topic thread, hit delete... I actually found that this one has been different from past ones in that it discussed the asp baton.... rather than arguing pro or con guns (with the exception of a post or two)...so.... just add this subject line to a kill filter and you won't see any of the replies ;-) Collin (D-Mode) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 16:08:12 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23760 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991009200847.11562.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:08:47 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Jerk Stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yeah, Daniel, I forgot to mention on the Glocks... I HIGHLY recommend you try shooting before buying. Glocks are very strange beasts due to the polymers they are made of .... You either shoot one very well.. or piss poor... not much middle of the road...they seem to have a *twisting* effect when you shoot them. I remember reading somewhere that a lot of agencies quit using them because of this phenomenon... great guns if you can shoot them though... personally, my proficiency sucks with one...strange considering I'm a damn good shot with conventional guns. If you're looking top of the line, someone already mentioned Sig-Sauer. Also H&K make EXCELLENT weapons.... which one is better?? As a dealer said to a friend recently, "Do you want the BMW or the Mercedes??" You definitely can't go wrong with either of those! CT (doin my part to piss everyone off!! lol besides ... saturdays the list is usually dead anyhow..) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 16:24:43 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23981 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-122.patriot.net [209.249.180.122]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17496; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:24:37 -0400 Message-ID: <37FFA316.FA08BE83@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:18:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: "johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@internet.nonmime" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, JOE NAGY Subject: Re: Jerks stories References: <199910071720.AA36897360@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horkster wrote: > > Are the chix cute? Hell, I'll volunteer to take the pictures! > > > :) > > Horkster > Well, *I* am an excellant photographer and not very picky. The chix don't have to be ultra-cute, just butt-neked. Bill Minolta 35mm, Rollie med format, Speed Graphic 4X5, etc... From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 16:29:52 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24059 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-122.patriot.net [209.249.180.122]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17800; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:29:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37FFA44B.6060CD1B@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:23:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel aka ITM CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: winrwe air [was: not gun threads!! let's argue about helmets instead-NOT References: <19991008131531.15530.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helium would bleed out in minutes. Unless you trap it in say an aluminum foil sack innertube. The AL would keep the aliens from invading your tires also. Use the leftover foil inside your helmet. Bill Daniel aka ITM wrote: > Is it illegal to run helium in your tires? Seems like the bike should > be lighter then.. From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 16:41:52 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24199 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991009204326.14127.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:43:26 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: test message To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Seems my last two messages to list bounced, so I'm sending this to see if it made it through... hope it's just technical error and not a shutdown based on recent topics.. if that's the case I'll probably be off list for good... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 16:44:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24275 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-122.patriot.net [209.249.180.122]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18578 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:44:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37FFA7BF.1DD2CFDE@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:38:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kudos to a cycle shop ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Cyclomania" in Kill Devil Hills North Carolina. It's a little joint that services all brands and works on custom stuff also. Yeah, kinda far to push your bike in for a fix, but if you're ever down on the Outer Banks and you need a cycle fix, this is the place. I dropped my Harley off with a pair of Progressive fork springs which needed installing. On an FLHS this involves removing the instruments and a buncha fork mounted stuff before one can even see the fork caps. I decided not me and besides I *had* to go surf fishing and bikini watching. Yep, fer sure. He did the nasty job and also discovered that my rear exhaust pipe had spit off the nuts and was loose. WHAT! A Harley vibing nuts loose! har har har. Anyway, for way less than an Official H-D shop would have done the deed, he installed the springs, checked the steering head over, fixed the exhaust pipe, and had me back on the road. Great little shop - nice folks. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 16:52:13 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24385 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-122.patriot.net [209.249.180.122]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18918; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37FFA98A.A4C524F4@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:46:02 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: weapons regulations... WAS=Re: Jerks stories References: <19991008124319.28989.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> <016b01bf1194$816ed6a0$995e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I was a kid, shortly after the invention of radio, every lad carted a folding knife to school. The deal was it had to be long enough to peek outta your rear pants pocket. Then New York passed an anti-switchblade law. Problem wuz the legals worded it "spring assisted". Took a about a New York minute for us hoodlums to figure out that you could yank the spring and *flick* the blade open. Much to our amazement the "gravity" knife was faster than a spring knife. And who says kids are stupid :-) Bill Kirt S. wrote: > I'm telling you, if you have the sheath for the baton mounted on the OUTSIDE > of your clothing in plain view, you can get away with carrying almost > anything. For example, back when I had graduated from high school, I worked > at the local Chespeak Knife and Tool. I know much about knives, personal > weapons, and swords. To my knowledge (although I heard a rumor they made > this less lenient recently), in the state of Virginia, you can carry in your > pocket, *concealed*, a folding knife with a blade LESS than 4 inches long. > However, you can still carry any folding knife longer than 4 inches, and > non-folding blades must always be carried, in plain view. This applies to > swords, as an antiquated law from the civil war states that any man may > carry a sword in public (don't know if this applies to women). There are > exceptions to these rules. Unless you have a concealed weapons permit, you > may NEVER CARRY CONCEALED any "self-assisted opening weapon" even if the > blade is less than 4". This includes butterfly knives, balistic knives, > folding batons, extendable batons, switchblades, angel blades (more often > called stillettos, which is incorrect), or any other weapon that pops open. > I'm not sure why butterfly knives are included, as they neither open > themselves, and, unless you are quite good, a regular knife will be much > faster. So, seeing as ASP makes several very nice sheaths for their batons, > just carry the thing in plain view, as most people won't realise what it is > anyways. hehehe.... Also, to my knowledge, in DC, you can't carry > SHIT...period. > > Kirt > 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 17:08:59 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24591 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:14:03 -0700 Received: from ip113.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.113] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 120B17FD7CDD11D3B2E300A0C96925BC for ; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:14:02 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kawasaki ninja ignition lock removal Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:10:37 GMT Message-ID: <37ffd86e.137590592@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 0E94AB58-7DBA11D3-B2E300A0-C96925BC Ok well I lost my key to my 92 kawasaki ex250. Freestate says if I bring them the lock the'll make two keys for it for $25. I hope they mean they'll fit a key to the lock and not change out the inner workings of it. Anyway they say the lock has to be off the bike, or they'll charge $65 to do that. (an hours labor). So monday i"ll call kawasaki to see if they can get me a key # for it, to have a key made. If that fails, I'll be removing my lock myself. Looks like i'll have to take the fairing off. Anyone know the procedure to remove a kawasaki ignition lock? From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 17:42:36 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25068 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id rRGHa10996 (4191); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.ac6e19ed.2531109e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:41:50 EDT Subject: Re: Jerk Stories To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/9/99 4:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << (doin my part to piss everyone off!! lol besides ... saturdays the list is usually dead anyhow..) >> Collin, You sure are pissing me off. I sense a hint of anti-Italian bias in your gun reviews. (and you never had much good to say about Ducatis) What's wrong with a Beretta 9mm? Not even a mention of them. :-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 19:24:12 1999 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26460 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910092324.TAA26460@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Guns, jerks, helmet laws, pissing matches, etc., etc... Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:24:12 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos In the hopes of slowing the steady flow of "unsubscribe" messages that have been arriving in my mailbox for the past few days, I'd like to correct some misconceptions and clarify the acceptability of "off-topic" posts. The dc-cycles list is an unmoderated mailing list. This doesn't mean that it's okay to talk about anything you want to talk about on it, it just means that there isn't anybody taking the time to approve every message before it gets onto the list. Being a moderator is a lot of work, and it slows things down on the list (e.g. nobody is going to see your 6am "anybody up for a ride to ..." until the moderator drags his sorry ass out of bed to approve and forward that posting on). dc-cycles is unmoderated because it's a better way to do things as long as the list members continue to abide by the notion that they need to "moderate themselves". The unsuitable messages that a moderator would intercept before they hit the list need to be intercepted by the posters before they post them, every subscriber needs to act as a moderator of their own postings! dc-cycles is about motorcyling in the DC area. Discussion on the list needs to be limited to topics relevant to this (fairly broad) subject. Any message not relevant to this topic should not be sent to the list. This isn't a "suppressing my individuality", "robbing me of my right to free speech", "fascist net police", "framers of the constitution" rule, it's a "drive slow in the fast lane", "talk in a movie theater", "fart in an elevator" kind of rule. We're not talking about uptight "extend your pinky finger while sipping your tea" etiquette, we're talking about the difference between the mailing list being a fun and worthwhile endeavor or having it be an annoying waste of time. The key point is that we all only share one interest, motorcycling, and while there are other topics that may interest a handful of subscribers, we need to refrain from using this list to discuss those topics, as the majority of the listers don't share that interest. When a list member reminds us that a discussion is off-topic and should be taken off the list, it is not true that this person is a fascist self-appointed net-cop who thinks that he owns the list and who was left in charge after someone died and who doesn't know about delete buttons. Instead, he is politely reminding you that you are being rude by boring a few hundred motorcyclists. He's flashing his lights at you as you drive too slow in the fast lane, he's "shushing" you because you're talking in the movie theater. He's right to do this, he's trying to keep the list from sucking too much. -harry From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 22:51:58 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29390 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-31.patriot.net [209.249.180.31]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA05479; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:51:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37FFFDD3.A0501E0C@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:45:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "v4mofo@XXXXXX@internet.mime" Subject: Re: Chicks and Bikes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, having to clean the seat means the durationof the ride was timed perfectly. On second thought - why clean? Just sniff .... Hey, you left a big wide opening for that :-) Bill JOE NAGY wrote: > would 'protective gear' then be something to keep the paint/seat from > getting messy? > > Nah. You just gotta time the duration of the ride correctly. From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 22:59:36 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29468 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-31.patriot.net [209.249.180.31]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA05770; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37FFFFA4.A782E40F@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:53:24 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jerk Stories References: <0.ac6e19ed.2531109e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > You sure are pissing me off. I sense a hint of anti-Italian bias in your gun > reviews. (and you never had much good to say about Ducatis) What's wrong with > a Beretta 9mm? Not even a mention of them. :-) > > Ciao, > > Fred You mean the Barettas made in Maryland? Or is that Maryland Italy? Of course Maryland could be a final assembly plant. When I wuz in the hobby biz model airplane engines from euro were shipped without a glow plug. Seems that classified them as "parts" and reduced the import duties. Anyways, give me a Colt A1 1911. Mike Hammer used one and he's the king of macho. Bill flexing his pecs. *peek* hmmm... best hit the gym.. From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 9 23:59:02 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00452 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-31.patriot.net [209.249.180.31]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA08792 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <38000D91.DDB6E8B2@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:52:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: So I get back from vacation... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and I have a few hundred email messages. Several are from cyber-chix wondering where in hell I've been and worried that I've run off with one of my many cyber-chix. Yeah, right. In my dreams. But most of the emails are from dc-cycles. ACK! The ol' gun thread is off and running again. Followed closely by the What is Appropriate Post thread for dc-cycles. Geez Louise. Here's a clue - DELETE key. Oh well. Anyone up for a putt to NC this weekend? Free camping, $5 buys you a Carolina pig pickin' gourmet meal on Sat nite, not to mention the *beer truck* with taps on the side. *urp*. And entertainment! A couple hundred semi-crazy boat racers duking it out on an oval course. About 200 miles down the pike. Maybe a few more if you stick the scenic routes. Did I mention no admission fee? And you can wander in the pits and pet the boats? And the drivers. Oh yeah, we have fem divers too. :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 01:26:03 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA01677 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA18890; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:29:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: guns In-Reply-To: <19991009200847.11562.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry, Collin, Bill, et al. It's past time to get this gun thread off DC-CYCLES. Take it private or to a gun list. Here it's spam. --garcia On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Oh yeah, Daniel, I forgot to mention on the Glocks... I HIGHLY > recommend you try shooting before buying. Glocks are very strange > beasts due to the polymers they are made of .... You either shoot one > very well.. or piss poor... not much middle of the road...they seem to > have a *twisting* effect when you shoot them. > I remember reading somewhere that a lot of agencies quit using them > because of this phenomenon... great guns if you can shoot them > though... personally, my proficiency sucks with one...strange > considering I'm a damn good shot with conventional guns. > > If you're looking top of the line, someone already mentioned Sig-Sauer. > Also H&K make EXCELLENT weapons.... which one is better?? As a dealer > said to a friend recently, "Do you want the BMW or the Mercedes??" You > definitely can't go wrong with either of those! > > CT > (doin my part to piss everyone off!! lol besides ... saturdays the > list is usually dead anyhow..) > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 02:54:36 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA03565 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:54:34 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:55:33 -0700 Received: from ip113.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.113] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 120B18697CDD11D3B2E300A0C96925BC for ; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:55:32 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chicks and Bikes Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:52:09 GMT Message-ID: <380060e3.172529417@eriss.com> References: <37FFFDD3.A0501E0C@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <37FFFDD3.A0501E0C@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 0E94ABA2-7DBA11D3-B2E300A0-C96925BC I was flipping through my cable tv stations tonight when i happend across all girl porn. The good girl was being spanked by the bad girl biker chick while good girl straddled a MC while 2 naked good girl friends watched and instigated. I think there were 2 girls actually on the MC and 2 close up on the sides. At first I saw the good girl leaning over the front bars, and I thought it would be straight up hetero sex, i was about to start taking notes. On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:45:39 -0400, you wrote: |>Actually, having to clean the seat means the durationof the ride was |>timed perfectly. On second thought - why clean? Just sniff .... |> |>Hey, you left a big wide opening for that :-) |> |>Bill |> |>JOE NAGY wrote: |> |>> would 'protective gear' then be something to keep the paint/seat from |>> getting messy? |>> |>> Nah. You just gotta time the duration of the ride correctly. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 03:12:04 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03882 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:17:09 -0700 Received: from ip113.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.113] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 120B186F7CDD11D3B2E300A0C96925BC for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:17:08 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jerks stories Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:13:45 GMT Message-ID: <3802652e.173627632@eriss.com> References: <19991008223811.17209.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> In-Reply-To: <19991008223811.17209.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 0E94ABA6-7DBA11D3-B2E300A0-C96925BC So you don't see the problem... of punishing on mere potential..=20 Should we also outlaw bikes that are designed to go over 85 mph ? On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:38:11 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>--- Daniel aka ITM wrote: |>> Heheh It wont' get me 3 years as I don't carry one.=20 |>> Three years for carrying a metal stick.. Anyone see |>> something gone awry? |> |>Carrying a concealed 'metal stick' designed to break |>(and I mean BREAK) somebody's face? I don't see |>anything wrong with penalizing it severely, especially |>if the concealer is somebody who'll pull it out while |>you're simply pummeling him with your fists and feet.=20 Oh I see You want him to go to jail merely for carrying it.. and even more so if he uses it for self defense! : ) |> |>Uh oh....moto content missing. Get on the case pronto |>Sheriff Weaver! We didn't elect you to sit around and |>watch us police ourselves! ;) again See above, moto content added :) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 07:33:39 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07154 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 1BVHa19941 (4256); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.212a5f05.2531d351@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:32:33 EDT Subject: Re: Jerk Stories To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/9/99 10:59:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << You mean the Barettas made in Maryland? Or is that Maryland Italy? >> It's true, the Berettas sold to the Government under government contracts are made in Maryland, USA and it is a real factory not just an assembly plant. None of those Berettas are sold to private gun shops or individuals though. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 10:47:27 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12398 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-132-163.s417.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.132.163]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27297 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:46:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991010103841.00b74a10@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:42:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: So I get back from vacation... In-Reply-To: <38000D91.DDB6E8B2@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:52 PM 10/9/1999 , Bill Huson wrote: >Followed closely by the What is Appropriate Post thread for dc-cycles. >Geez Louise. Here's a clue - DELETE key. I get close to 200 VFR list emails a day. That gun thread was barely noticable. All told I get around 400-500 emails a day, all are filtered into email boxes and read at my leisure. As far as the flow of unsubscribe messages Harry mentioned, let them go. No skin off of my back.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 12:42:29 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14597 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:41:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Local ride according to Chicago maggot Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:41:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain For those playing on their computer this rainy Sunday: Here's a Chicago Maggot's (Honda Sabre-Magna V-4 aficionado) version of a local gathering last week end (wasn't the weather grand?) Synopsis ~ 25 Maggots rolled in last Friday and about 4 local Maggots showed them some more local roads for the second annual SMEGMA (SabMagEast-Great-Mid-Atlantic) see: http://www.SabMag.org for more info. Carl in Bethesda Don't need no Loud Pipes; I have Big Honking Tooters. ;^> http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg Subject: AVAILABLE: Son of SMEGMA pics... post 'em if ya got 'em LMs, Sorry for the delay. Had quite a few pics to sort through. I've got these (like the WMC and BRMC) pics on my tripod account which will give you pop-ups. Disable "Java" and "JavaScript" on your favorite browser to get rid of this annoying feature. Since there were so many pics... I decided to add my commentary and provide links to the pics rather than have the WHOLE page load like I did for my BRMC write-up. Hopefully this format will be acceptable to everyone. Using your favorite browser... begin at... http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sos_99.html Enjoy! Greg -- Chicago 'burbs a few V65 Magnas, Sabres and Nighthawk 700Ss one VF750F, one VFkR and an '85 ZL900 Eliminator USMC: "pain and sweat is just weakness leaving the body" From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 13:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15546 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:55:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'rrapp@XXXXXX'" Subject: Roadcrafters Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:55:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Robert Rapp asked, "For those who wear 'crafters (just purchased mine this summer); what layering system do you advise for winter riding. I was comfy this morning just wearing a sweatshirt for extra layering. Would electrics be better (though I'd need to wire the bike)?" Every time I drive my Sabre to Ohio or Asheville in the spring or Fall, I swear I'll get electrics, but still haven't. So far the Polartec 200, occasionally supplemented with a sweatshirt or a flannel shirt has been just enough. I picked up a Polartec 300 at the Land's End outlet in Evanston, IL last month so am optimistic. However the 25% off on Gerbing stuff Saturday at the annual Heyser's auction sure looked tempting. Maybe next year. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 14:32:28 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16056 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-208.patriot.net [209.249.180.208]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09344; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3800DA46.45101034@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:26:14 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCy'" , "'rrapp@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Roadcrafters References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snowmobile suit. Good to 70+ MPH in freezing temps. And snowmobile gloves. Nice long gauntlets. Way cheaper than the hot-lick brand of the year cycle gear. Bill Custer, Carl wrote: > Robert Rapp asked, "For those who wear 'crafters (just purchased mine this > summer); what layering system do you advise for winter riding. I was comfy > this morning just wearing a sweatshirt for extra layering. Would electrics > be better (though I'd need to wire the bike)?" > > Every time I drive my Sabre to Ohio or Asheville in the spring or Fall, I > swear I'll get electrics, but still haven't. > So far the Polartec 200, occasionally supplemented with a sweatshirt or a > flannel shirt has been just enough. I picked up a Polartec 300 at the > Land's End outlet in Evanston, IL last month so am optimistic. > However the 25% off on Gerbing stuff Saturday at the annual Heyser's auction > sure looked tempting. > Maybe next year. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 15:05:56 1999 Return-Path: carl.custer@XXXXXX Received: from hqmail.usda.gov (hqmail.usda.gov [199.128.3.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16572 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3) id PAA05143; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=wsc.ag.gov.203.1/C=us/;991010150323] Content-Identifier: RE: Roadcrafters UA-Content-Id: RE: Roadcrafters Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: Normal Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:03:15 -0400 Received: by hqmail.usda.gov; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:02:23 -0400 Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.1; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:03:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:03:16 -0400 From: "Custer, Carl" Subject: RE: Roadcrafters To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: "'DCCy'" , "'rrapp(a)pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov'" Message-Id: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetJunction 4.6-supplement)/MIME > Snowmobile suit. Good to 70+ MPH in freezing temps. And snowmobile gloves. > Nice > long gauntlets. Way cheaper than the hot-lick brand of the year cycle > gear. > Bill [Carl sez] I hear ya and can sympathize. I put off buying a 'Stitch for years. After getting one, I wondered why I waited so long**. Good in all seasons, especially Autumn and Spring. Chilly in the morning? Zip up; Toasty going home? Zip open. Chance of rain? Stuff the Totes in the brief case. Then there's the armor, the pockets, and other well thought out details. **It was the bucks; after an uncle's estate was settled, I bought the 'Stitch -- partly in honor of his love of speed (One time he complained, The Rambler's speedo goes to 140, but I can't get it to go past 110.) Also, look around on the web. Used ones can be found for ~$300, usually more. Carl n Bethesda: Having the right-of-way simply increases the odds that your family will get a large settlement. GadgetDan From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 15:58:32 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17269 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:57:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: I guess your (sic) right Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:57:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Chris Norloff, said stuff that bears repeating for both commuters and holiday cyclists, "As far as dealing with dinosaur-brains on the road, how do I do it? I disengage. I avoid things to the maximum extent practicable, choosing lane, lane position, and position relative to other cars to make it hard if not impossible to hit me. I keep my headlight on (high beams on bright sunny days), I wear visible clothing, including a reflective vest at night, dawn, twilight, rain, and other times of low visibility. But I never expect anyone to see me or to allow me the right of way." Yup, imagine you're riding through a herd of cattle. Big dumb beasts with lethal points. Most simply want to avoid you - if they see you. So, lights, turn signals, bright colors, loud horns, and a sunny disposition help. Sometimes you'll engage an ornery cow or bull. Best strategy is to avoid those dumb beasts. See sunny disposition, and use superior braking, maneuverability or the "fun twister" to escape. "And then I just ride through the space between the cars. They're just obstacles to avoid, and I pick my path through the space remaining. I have no interest in interacting with them, just riding around them. Or perhaps just throttling back and cruising in the right lane while the road-ragers rage their way along in the left lane." Whoopee tie yi yo! Two comments, re speed: In town: Most traffic lights are sequenced so speeding in town just burns up gas, pads, and tires. Knowing the light sequences can be rewarding: 1. it saves gas, pads, and tires (well duh) 2. If/when you lose a clutch, you can drive the bike home easier if you know the light timing. (whew) 3. You can embarrass a 'Busa, Poe-leese, or other lead foots (I love being older and more treacherous) On the Beltway: For a 10 mile beltway commute you'll save only 2.3 minutes going 70 instead of 55 (but you'll get rear-ended going 55) so I suggest keeping up with traffic and concentrate on keeping clear of the BDCs. On the highway: Your choice: Depends on what you want to accomplish, how far you need to go in what time and how're your sensors. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter "Fred, the Red"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC 0002 Don't need no Loud Pipes; I have Big Honking Tooters. ;^> http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 19:22:25 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19974 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (207-172-126-187.s568.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.126.187]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27932 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:21:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991010192037.00b3c2e0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:21:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Monday Ride Anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Looking for a ride tomorrow. Should be a perfect day - better in the afternoon than in the morning. I am *free* all day :-o _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 21:23:47 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22081 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id yIDBa29634 (3946); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.e6bcf3f2.253295d8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:22:32 EDT Subject: Re: Jerk in a Lexus To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 10/6/1999 11:50:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone remember the James Bond flick where the assassins had small rocket launchers on the front wheel hubs of their bikes? Seems like a great enforcer. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - parking stop to a &)*%&( Ford Escort AMA 663626 Annandale, VA >> I would rather have a flying bike like they had on Galactica 1980. That would be a blast. Literally. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 10 22:36:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23165 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA14577 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:36:05 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29333 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oYLHoEquA_ (3946); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.bdf61092.2532a6a3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:34:11 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Surgery To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 10/8/1999 4:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Now I am checking the web for clarification of the "headphones while driving law" so I can talk my way out of a ticket if I need to. >> Actually, I believe that you are allowed to have ONE earphone for music/audio. The only way you are allowed to have both is if they are hooked up to a MC Communications device, NOT a CD player. Although, I ride to PA with a set of earbuds in for my listening enjoyment. :-) I just run the cord up through my jacket so that you can't see a flapping in the wind cord. Never been stopped yet. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 07:11:09 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00826 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA16778 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA22018; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <43MN8R3W>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F3066@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: skinned backs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:10:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Mike wrote... >As far as the flow of unsubscribe messages Harry mentioned, let them >go. No skin off of my back... I miss Anita. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA I've tried smooth, and found it overrated. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 11:01:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04520 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17985 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14557 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03538 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4Q7HNQJH>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:02:51 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D886D@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Surgery Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:02:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Several times I have heard a vehicle without first seeing it, and I wonder if I would be posting now otherwise. Traffic, yuch. Although, the journey through the Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico deserts could have used a little 9th Symphony though--ok, maybe some Molly Hatchet for the Rockies pass. Enjoy, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 16:07:10 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09179 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:07:09 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 7VJY0ygbVt (3977); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.1e997116.25339d44@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:06:28 EDT Subject: Re: skinned backs To: rcrishock@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 10/11/1999 7:16:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcrishock@XXXXXX writes: << Mike wrote... >As far as the flow of unsubscribe messages Harry mentioned, let them >go. No skin off of my back... I miss Anita. Rich >> Me too! :-( Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 17:05:59 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10031 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2RFSa16946 (4002) for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:05:22 EDT Subject: Re: skinned backs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Anita's gone?! Youch... things have gotten bad around here! She'd threatened to leave before when alot of BS has blown up on the list, but I didn't think she'd actually unsubscribe. Bummer, and a damn shame. Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 17:20:24 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10224 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2QXAa21033 (4459); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.d5645da9.2533ae72@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:19:46 EDT Subject: Re: skinned backs To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/11/99 5:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << Anita's gone?! >> Yeah, one of the things I like about DC Cycles is the presence of at least a few female riders. Luckily I still see Linda Tanner messages. I loved having her lead me on a ride, always had a ready excuse for a cop. "Officer I was just trying to keep up with that girl on that Honda". Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 18:05:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10842 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02944 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10611 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf15-86.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.86]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA03005; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: New Cycle Photo Gallery Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:04:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Had so many I didn't want to put them all on my website. Enjoy. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=107565 Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com WEB: http://www.tl1000.com '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 18:46:29 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11543 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:46:29 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id aFULa29634 (4354); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.4dbee4a9.2533c29b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:45:47 EDT Subject: Loud Horns Save Lives To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Just installed air horns on my Night Hawk. Big difference!!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 19:05:39 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11877 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-2.patriot.net [209.249.180.2]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA25849; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: <38026BCB.A01EFB5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:59:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Loud Horns Save Lives References: <0.4dbee4a9.2533c29b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where do get the air? Cartridge? On-board compressor? Bill Harley dude with quiet DOT/EPA 80db pipes and no tattoos McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Just installed air horns on my Night Hawk. Big difference!!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 19:15:11 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12021 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-147.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FJG005GFOKHLI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:17:48 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: tour update To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <3802701C.BD2B15FB@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Pretty good for trying to hear me through the helment and ear phones, Hugh! Yes, I recognized you from the pictures on your web site. I was down in Panama City for my brother in law's wedding. I had been off the plane for all of 30 minutes when my wife noticed a neat red VFR parked at a gas station. An amazing coincidence. I had only just read through your ride updates the day before! Incredible... Randy Moran Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html > ON an interesting side note I ran into a DC-Cycles lister > today at a gas station in Panama City Florida. I believe > he said his name was Raymond Moran and he raced and SV > with Team DC-Cycles at Summit Point. Verry cool. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 19:25:47 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from mail.RAVINC.COM ([216.25.9.124]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12145 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stpeter [209.249.180.209] by mail.RAVINC.COM (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1F0B4001FE; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:25:36 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF141F.B0603520.jay.stpeter@ravinc.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" Reply-To: "jay.stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Storage Capability Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:34:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 11 TEXT I've recently started using a notebook computer for work related stuff. Carrying it on my MC has proven a challenge. The case and my gym bag don't match too well on the back of the bike. It winds up being pretty unstable. I think I want a tank bag to replace one of them. Anyone have one they want to get rid of? I have some saddlebags that I'd like to get rid of. They are made by OSI. They are black cordura (I think). Pretty basic bags with an outer pocket on each side. Barely used, maybe a couple of times. Make offer or trade for tank bag. They don't fit real well on my current ride. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 20:24:02 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA12945 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991012002710.21775.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:27:10 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Skinned Backs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, Anita unsubbed about two months ago or somewhere there abouts...although she does take a peek at Morris Berman's dc-cycles web based page on occasion to see if any rides have popped up.... She's on a week long AMA ride down to SC and back right now.. and I'm jealous!! lol Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 23:19:50 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15724 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:21:27 -0700 Received: from ip113.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.113] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id C2C8319F7FF311D3B2E500A0C96925BC for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:21:26 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jerk Stories Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:16:56 GMT Message-ID: <38024254.230250987@eriss.com> References: <0.212a5f05.2531d351@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <0.212a5f05.2531d351@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: C14BB6F5-7FF311D3-B2E500A0-C96925BC I'd daydream that I was riding (now moto related) along that road and a berretta would "fall off the truck". : ) That'd be like a good time where something fell off a truck in front of you.. Anyone ever have something GOOD fall off a truck in front of them? (or out of a car) On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:32:33 EDT, you wrote: |>In a message dated 10/9/99 10:59:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 |>bhuson@XXXXXX writes: |> |><< You mean the Barettas made in Maryland? Or is that Maryland Italy? |> >> |> |>It's true, the Berettas sold to the Government under government = contracts are=20 |>made in Maryland, USA and it is a real factory not just an assembly = plant. =20 |>None of those Berettas are sold to private gun shops or individuals = though. |> |>Ciao, |> |>Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 11 23:19:53 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15727 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:24:57 -0700 Received: from ip113.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.113] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id C2C831A37FF311D3B2E500A0C96925BC for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:24:56 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: skinned backs Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:20:26 GMT Message-ID: <3804d2d0.332790448@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: C14BB6F8-7FF311D3-B2E500A0-C96925BC I haven't been here that long, but I do recall anita was one of the ones who actually organized rides. Too bad for us Anita left. Daniel On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:05:22 EDT, you wrote: |> |> |>Anita's gone?! Youch... things have gotten bad around here! She'd = threatened=20 |>to leave before when alot of BS has blown up on the list, but I didn't = think=20 |>she'd actually unsubscribe. Bummer, and a damn shame. |> |> |> |>Rob VanSlyke |>83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 01:02:23 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17327 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA03110; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:06:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: 3 close calls Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In the last week I evaded two suvs that blew thru stop signs---never even slowed down, 40 mph. Full daylight, clear sign, no excuse. Neither was really dangerous, but only because I saw them coming (one did terrify my passenger; other was solo). The third incident was more interesting. I was on a two-lane city street, started to make a right turn---and only at the last second noticed a car on my right, trying to pass me. Dangerous and stupid...but I had gotten complacent because it was a two-lane street and wasn't expecting a car there and hadn't been paying enough attention. Only the paranoid survive. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 07:12:39 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23670 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Guns, jerks, helmet laws, pissing matches, etc., etc... Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:11:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Harry said, "In the hopes of slowing the steady flow of "unsubscribe" messages that have been arriving in my mailbox for the past few days, I'd like to correct some misconceptions and clarify the acceptability of "off-topic" posts. "The key point is that we all only share one interest, motorcycling, and while there are other topics that may interest a handful of subscribers, we need to refrain from using this list to discuss those topics, as the majority of the listers don't share that interest." Thanks Harry for letting us use your den for our conversations; sermonizing, and complaining about motorcycle topics. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter "Fred the Red"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 Try to imagine me as someone much nicer, wiser, and handsomer than I seem online. http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 08:05:10 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24746 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-144.patriot.net [209.249.180.144]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06678; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:05:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3803227B.8610B22B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:58:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jerk Stories References: <0.212a5f05.2531d351@aol.com> <38024254.230250987@eriss.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hell yeah!!! How about an entire carton of really nice sweaters. According to the labels they were bound for an upscale store in TX - except we was in NC. Downside, they was fem sweaters - no, that was actually an upside. Sorta like an early christmas at the girl's dorm where we dropped them off. Several nice tools over the years, and a month or so ago a truck lost a quality shovel on I-395 in Arlington, but I wuz on the bike and it would have been awkward to cart and damn dangerous to stop in that zooming gage zoo. Then there was the wallet. No keepers that time - looked the guy up in the phone book and gave him a jingle. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I'd daydream that I was riding (now moto related) along that road and > a berretta would "fall off the truck". : ) That'd be like a good time > where something fell off a truck in front of you.. Anyone ever have > something GOOD fall off a truck in front of them? (or out of a car) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 08:59:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25417 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:59:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199910120859.AA760939132@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Harry Mantakos Subject: Re: Guns, jerks, helmet laws, pissing matches, etc., etc... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Harry Mantakos >The dc-cycles list is an unmoderated mailing list. This doesn't mean >that it's okay to talk about anything you want to talk about on it, >it just means that there isn't anybody taking the time to approve >every message before it gets onto the list... >dc-cycles is about motorcyling in the DC area. Discussion on the list >needs to be limited to topics relevant to this (fairly broad) subject. >Any message not relevant to this topic should not be sent to the list. Thanks, Harry, for running the list. One of these days we'll get you out on a ride! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 09:03:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25480 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:03:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199910120903.AA761070204@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Mike T Subject: Re: So I get back from vacation... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike T >As far as the flow of unsubscribe messages Harry mentioned, let them >go. No skin off of my back.... Actually, it's skin off all our backs. When people who would rather talk about bikes leave the list, we all lose something. Anita is a good example - she added to daily conversation, she led numerous weekend rides, and now she's gone because a bunch of people kept ranting off-topic. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: Mike T Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:42:08 -0400 At 11:52 PM 10/9/1999 , Bill Huson wrote: >Followed closely by the What is Appropriate Post thread for dc-cycles. >Geez Louise. Here's a clue - DELETE key. I get close to 200 VFR list emails a day. That gun thread was barely noticable. All told I get around 400-500 emails a day, all are filtered into email boxes and read at my leisure. As far as the flow of unsubscribe messages Harry mentioned, let them go. No skin off of my back.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 09:41:42 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25979 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA23035 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:41:37 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF1493.0FD923E0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Jerk in a Lexus Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:20:42 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From what I read here, it seems a couple of them were seen at Summit Point, their aerodynamics were magnificent, but the landings left something to be desired :) Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - parking stop to a &)*%&( Ford Escort AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "In the Parade of Life, some folks are born to sit on the curb and clap." I would rather have a flying bike like they had on Galactica 1980. That would be a blast. Literally. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 09:54:22 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26187 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04872 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:53:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991012094337.0149f5d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:53:41 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Skinned Backs In-Reply-To: <199910120903.AA761070204@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:03 AM 10/12/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Mike T > >As far as the flow of unsubscribe messages Harry mentioned, let them > >go. No skin off of my back.... > > >Actually, it's skin off all our backs. When people who would rather talk >about bikes leave the list, we all lose something. Anita is a good >example - she added to daily conversation, she led numerous weekend rides, >and now she's gone because a bunch of people kept ranting off-topic. Yes, I suppose that is true. I did like Anita. But no mailing list is ever 100% on topic. This one may be worse than others I am on, but it doesn't really bother me that much. What is so hard about deleting off-topic messages? Yes - I fully understand that everyone on this list joined up to discuss motorcycles and riding only. I am not arguing that - I play cyber cop on several other forums. But if someone is leaving the list because of a spurt of off-topic posts, maybe they were thinking about leaving anyway. They probably aren't getting enough out of the list to make it worthwhile. The off topic stuff just compounds it for them. On the VFR list - as many of you know - most people place a 'NVFR' in the subject line. Usenet has 'OT' which is rarely used. My Eudora filters on these keywords, and tosses the mail in the trash. Since dc-cycles has always been 60/40 topic/off-topic, perhaps we could at least use a keyword in the subject to help people filter. Or we could limit our postings to on-topic stuff. Heh. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 09:58:42 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26274 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28262 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d901bf14b9$58c4a1d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <199910120903.AA761070204@piglet.toward.com> Subject: Re: So I get back from vacation... Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:54:47 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Everybody needs to fucking relax. Sheesh... Yes, it sucks when people leave. Yes, we are all human, and sometimes mess up by not following the rules (this should especially hit home on this list as we all RIDE MOTORCYCLES, and I'm sure everyone of us has gone over the speed limit on numerous occasions). Little off topic rants should not be reacted to so severly. I bet all of you don't store EVERY SINGLE message that you get forever. You delete them, sooner or later... It's not like hitting the delete key NOW instead of after you read the message and gotten all upset because it's "off topic" is any more work. It's actually less work. Also, Anita is still *alive* and you can very easily get a hold of her by e-mailing her or by going to the http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders website. I'm sure she still rides all the time, and would still want to ride in a group around the area. Besides it's hard to have a conversation about guns when when you have to scream over the sound of your bike and the wind while wearing a full face helmet. :-) Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: ; Mike T Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: Re: So I get back from vacation... > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Mike T > >As far as the flow of unsubscribe messages Harry mentioned, let them > >go. No skin off of my back.... > > > Actually, it's skin off all our backs. When people who would rather talk about bikes leave the list, we all lose something. Anita is a good example - she added to daily conversation, she led numerous weekend rides, and now she's gone because a bunch of people kept ranting off-topic. > > Chris Norloff > > > > ---------- Original Message ------------------------ > From: Mike T > > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:42:08 -0400 > > At 11:52 PM 10/9/1999 , Bill Huson wrote: > > >Followed closely by the What is Appropriate Post thread for dc-cycles. > >Geez Louise. Here's a clue - DELETE key. > > I get close to 200 VFR list emails a day. That gun thread was barely > noticable. All told I get around 400-500 emails a day, all are filtered > into email boxes and read at my leisure. > > As far as the flow of unsubscribe messages Harry mentioned, let them > go. No skin off of my back.... > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 10:21:32 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26649 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:21:30 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000018792; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:22:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Skinned Backs Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 You make a good point about no list being on topic all the time... and in fact, the lists/newsgroups that I've participated in that have really become more communities than just lists (I'd count dc-cycles among them) have a fair amount of off-topic material. It does serve a purpose -- it helps people get to know each other better and builds some social bonds. I think it's not just off-topic stuff that's a problem, but stuff that is off-topic and a bit nasty. To look at the dreaded gun example... it's not people talking about their guns that bugs me (I'm not interested, so I ignore it. I also don't pay much attention to the racing stuff, because it's not my thing. No big deal.) It's not people saying "I think X about guns," if that's all there is to it; I agree or I don't, and that's it. It's when it turns into these big battles, with personal insults getting slung around, that I have a problem; because at that point some people are going to feel either that it's too contentious for their taste, or that it's really only people who ride and also share other opinions that are welcome on the list, and who then leave because they don't share those opinions. I think that's a really unfortunate thing; I'd hate to think a motorcyclist would want to participate but feel unwelcome and leave because of some other issue. It means fewer participants, fewer viewpoints, and ultimately a less interesting list. Which is why trying to stay more-or-less on topic and generally respectful of others' non-MC views is a good idea, in my opinion. I also think Harry does a very good job of letting the list develop its own personality, and this is as good a time as any to say thanks for keeping this going. This last go-round was the first time I saw it get personal and insulting really fast -- ironically, without anyone actually venturing an opinion for someone to disagree with. Kind of strange, I thought. Troutman wrote: Yes, I suppose that is true. I did like Anita. But no mailing list is ever 100% on topic. This one may be worse than others I am on, but it doesn't really bother me that much. What is so hard about deleting off-topic messages? Yes - I fully understand that everyone on this list joined up to discuss motorcycles and riding only. I am not arguing that - I play cyber cop on several other forums. But if someone is leaving the list because of a spurt of off-topic posts, maybe they were thinking about leaving anyway. They probably aren't getting enough out of the list to make it worthwhile. The off topic stuff just compounds it for them. On the VFR list - as many of you know - most people place a 'NVFR' in the subject line. Usenet has 'OT' which is rarely used. My Eudora filters on these keywords, and tosses the mail in the trash. Since dc-cycles has always been 60/40 topic/off-topic, perhaps we could at least use a keyword in the subject to help people filter. Or we could limit our postings to on-topic stuff. Heh. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 11:37:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27799 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07856 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA03353 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MartinAgency-Message_Server by iagw.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:37:33 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:37:05 -0400 From: "JOE NAGY" To: , "\"\"cnorloff@XXXXXX\"@internet.mime\"" , Subject: Re: Helmet Surgery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It seems that in most states, having two speakers on/in your ears is = illegal. However, I've had several roadside discussions with The Man over = the years, and never once were my ear buds mentioned. They were too busy = screaming at me for something else, like ten over makes you a Father Raper = (thanks Arlo) or something. Joe >>> "Chris Norloff" - 10/8/99 8:13 PM >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Now I am checking the web for clarification of the "headphones while=20 >driving law" so I can talk my way out of a ticket if I need to. Check the VA laws online (I think you're in VA, aren't you?). Helmet = speakers are legal if they're part of a mc communication system -- it's = supposed to be for 2-way, but radio/tape is communication of a sort, I = suppose. But you won't get hassled -- I've never even HEARD of anyone getting = questionned about helmet speakers or earplugs. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 11:56:44 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28050 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-88.s88.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.88]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id LAA22746 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701bf14ca$63223a00$586daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Re: Skinned Backs Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Speaking of Anita, who is going to organize the trip to New York city this year for the annual motorcycle show at Javits? Last years was very enjoyable...because Anita took the time to organize it and make all of the arrangements. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (for sale) Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: Skinned Backs > You make a good point about no list being on topic all the time... and in fact, the lists/newsgroups that I've participated in that have really become more communities than just lists (I'd count dc-cycles among them) have a fair amount of off-topic material. It does serve a purpose -- it helps people get to know each other better and builds some social bonds. > > I think it's not just off-topic stuff that's a problem, but stuff that is off-topic and a bit nasty. To look at the dreaded gun example... it's not people talking about their guns that bugs me (I'm not interested, so I ignore it. I also don't pay much attention to the racing stuff, because it's not my thing. No big deal.) It's not people saying "I think X about guns," if that's all there is to it; I agree or I don't, and that's it. > > It's when it turns into these big battles, with personal insults getting slung around, that I have a problem; because at that point some people are going to feel either that it's too contentious for their taste, or that it's really only people who ride and also share other opinions that are welcome on the list, and who then leave because they don't share those opinions. > > I think that's a really unfortunate thing; I'd hate to think a motorcyclist would want to participate but feel unwelcome and leave because of some other issue. It means fewer participants, fewer viewpoints, and ultimately a less interesting list. Which is why trying to stay more-or-less on topic and generally respectful of others' non-MC views is a good idea, in my opinion. > > I also think Harry does a very good job of letting the list develop its own personality, and this is as good a time as any to say thanks for keeping this going. > > This last go-round was the first time I saw it get personal and insulting really fast -- ironically, without anyone actually venturing an opinion for someone to disagree with. Kind of strange, I thought. > > Troutman wrote: > > Yes, I suppose that is true. I did like Anita. But no mailing list is > ever 100% on topic. This one may be worse than others I am on, but it > doesn't really bother me that much. What is so hard about deleting > off-topic messages? Yes - I fully understand that everyone on this list > joined up to discuss motorcycles and riding only. I am not arguing that - > I play cyber cop on several other forums. > > But if someone is leaving the list because of a spurt of off-topic posts, > maybe they were thinking about leaving anyway. They probably aren't > getting enough out of the list to make it worthwhile. The off topic stuff > just compounds it for them. > > On the VFR list - as many of you know - most people place a 'NVFR' in the > subject line. Usenet has 'OT' which is rarely used. My Eudora filters on > these keywords, and tosses the mail in the trash. Since dc-cycles has > always been 60/40 topic/off-topic, perhaps we could at least use a keyword > in the subject to help people filter. Or we could limit our postings to > on-topic stuff. > > Heh. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 12:06:46 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28248 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256808.00588E5B ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:07:16 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256808.00588DE1.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:02:22 -0400 Subject: DC Cycles Christmas Party (?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thomas and I are tossing the idea around of having a DC Cycles Christmas party at our house in Arlington. Since December's a very busy time of year we thought we'd try to have it on December 4 (Saturday), before everyone has other commitments for work parties, etc. We'd like to get an idea of how many people would be interested in coming so I could get an early head count... Can anyone who's interested shoot me an e-mail? From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 12:14:09 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28357 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12442; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4Q7HNSN1>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:15:07 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D886E@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'johnwhiteside@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Skinned Backs Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:15:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain johnwhiteside@XXXXXX writes: It's when it turns into these big battles, with personal insults getting slung around, that I have a problem; because at >that point some people are going to feel either that it's too contentious for their taste, or that it's really only people >who ride and also share other opinions that are welcome on the list, and who then leave because they don't share those >opinions. ... >This last go-round was the first time I saw it get personal and insulting really fast -- ironically, without anyone >actually venturing an opinion for someone to disagree with. Kind of strange, I thought. ... end snip> Ditto, but not a ditto head. At least twice on the list there occurred what I could only call a "rage festival." The one when Anita left and the one to which John refers. Why communicate when the merits of a point of view become lost to the shouting? Statements of facts supported by deductive logic from the basis of a given conclusion, the rest remains a subjective perspective supported by inference at best. Further, while John and I have disagreed on such subjects as firearms and theology in earlier "off-topic" posts to the dc-cycles list, I feel that our discussions have been light-hearted, thoughtful, and enlightening rather than a punitive bashing contest. So whenever I get too full of myself, I just remember: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Happy riding, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 12:19:37 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28398 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:19:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'McKeithen@XXXXXX'" Subject: Loud Horns Save Lives Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:18:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain McKeithen@XXXXXX revealed, "Just installed air horns on my Night Hawk. Big difference!!!" Heehee Yes, they give you a definite safety advantage. But do remember that driver will respond to a visual input faster than an audible one. So watch your lane placement so the BDCs can see you. Carl in Bethesda Don't need no Loud Pipes; I have Big Honking Tooters. ;^> http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 12:32:46 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28609 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991012163301.19825.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:33:01 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Motocycle Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Checking their web page (http://www.motorcycleshows.com) they added a show in Philadelphia Jan 21-23. A little bit closer, and sooner (NY is Feb 4-6). Just something to keep in mind. Louis --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Speaking of Anita, who is going to organize the trip to New York city this > year for the annual motorcycle show at Javits? Last years was very > enjoyable...because Anita took the time to organize it and make all of the > arrangements. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 13:06:34 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29222 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id nXAFa12220 (3966); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.b3463131.2534c46c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:05:48 EDT Subject: Re: Skinned Backs To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 10/12/1999 12:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: << Speaking of Anita, who is going to organize the trip to New York city this year for the annual motorcycle show at Javits? Last years was very enjoyable...because Anita took the time to organize it and make all of the arrangements. Danny >> Somebody contact Anita. I'm sure she'd be willing to do it again. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 13:07:29 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29232 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id qQMTa16664 (3966); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <789704b1.2534c4a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:06:49 EDT Subject: Re: DC Cycles Christmas Party (?) To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 10/12/1999 12:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX writes: << Thomas and I are tossing the idea around of having a DC Cycles Christmas party at our house in Arlington. Since December's a very busy time of year we thought we'd try to have it on December 4 (Saturday), before everyone has other commitments for work parties, etc. We'd like to get an idea of how many people would be interested in coming so I could get an early head count... Can anyone who's interested shoot me an e-mail? >> Ready! Aim! FIRE!! I'm interested. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 14:27:36 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00641 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12555 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: quick question... Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:23:45 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 does anyone have Jay St. Peters e-mail address. Or, if you see this, I'd like to come by tonight to pick up the alarm. Respond off list ksenser@XXXXXX Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 12 16:21:47 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02270 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id QAA24444; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38039638.5F538340@pti.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:12:40 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: quick question... References: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay St. Peter" "Kirt S." wrote: > does anyone have Jay St. Peters e-mail address. Or, if you see this, I'd > like to come by tonight to pick up the alarm. Respond off list > ksenser@XXXXXX > > Kirt > 99 F4 -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 05:22:24 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14323 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:28:13 -0700 Received: from ip132.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.132] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id C2C835587FF311D3B2E500A0C96925BC for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:28:12 -0700 To: Subject: transmission theory Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:22:09 GMT Message-ID: <380573b8.439534664@eriss.com> References: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: C14BBBE2-7FF311D3-B2E500A0-C96925BC Anyone here rebuild motorcycle transmissions? I was wondering how they work. On a bicycle it's fairly evident how you get different gears, but on cars and motorcycles, what's going on is hidden and not so obvious... So can someone tell me what's going on in there?=20 Also is it possible (and practical cost wise) to change the gearing inside the transmittion, if say, you were already doing a transmission rebuild anyay. By changing the gearing I mean, like space out the ratio's so that you would have to climb to a higher RPM/Speed to switch gears, than you normally would with the factory default setup. Like for instance, on my ex250, the gearing (IMO) "feels" like it's very close. It seems like if I rev up to 8k rpm I could skip a gear when upshifting and I woldn't notice a thing.. and that seems like most gears.. So for acedemic curiousity, I wondered all the above. I have no plans to rebuild my tranny, but am just curious. In my pondering, I would think if each gear required the bike to go 5 mph faster than normal, before shifting to the next gear, it would add 30 mph on the top end. =20 So can someone tell me how transmissions work and if what I'm thinking is correct, or impractical? From what I'm thinking, manufacturers could design their 600's to have the same top end speed as their 900's, but they'd just be a little slower getting there. Looking forward to any responses, thanks. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 05:25:49 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14346 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:31:42 -0700 Received: from ip132.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.132] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id C2C835597FF311D3B2E500A0C96925BC for plus 1 more; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:31:41 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: sprocket questions Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:25:38 GMT Message-ID: <3806797a.441008083@eriss.com> References: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: C14BBBE3-7FF311D3-B2E500A0-C96925BC I was also curious about sprockets, I know you can go up or down sprocket sizes in teeth, but I'm curious as to which sprocket you would want to swap out first, the front or the rear, and why? =46or instance instead of just going up 1 in the front and down one in the rear, why not say, go down 2 or 3 in the rear and leave the front alone? Thanks for induldging me, Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 05:26:21 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14357 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:26:19 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:31:42 -0700 Received: from ip132.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.132] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id C2C835597FF311D3B2E500A0C96925BC for plus 1 more; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:31:41 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: sprocket questions Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:25:38 GMT Message-ID: <3806797a.441008083@eriss.com> References: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: C14BBBE4-7FF311D3-B2E500A0-C96925BC I was also curious about sprockets, I know you can go up or down sprocket sizes in teeth, but I'm curious as to which sprocket you would want to swap out first, the front or the rear, and why? =46or instance instead of just going up 1 in the front and down one in the rear, why not say, go down 2 or 3 in the rear and leave the front alone? Thanks for induldging me, Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 06:16:04 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15033 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id lBUJa29648 (4250); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.93f0b548.2535b5b9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:15:21 EDT Subject: Re: sprocket questions To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/13/99 5:30:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << For instance instead of just going up 1 in the front and down one in the rear, why not say, go down 2 or 3 in the rear and leave the front alone? >> It takes more teeth to achieve the same effect on the rear sprocket so changing the rear usually requires a different change size. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 06:59:19 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15644 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-53.patriot.net [209.249.180.53]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA27843; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:59:13 -0400 Message-ID: <38046489.38331FC5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:52:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory References: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <380573b8.439534664@eriss.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A tranny works by moving differnet gears into alignment with other gears using a shifting fork. It is *possible* to chnage gearing on some trannys, possily by using interchangable "where fit" parts from other trannys. A six-speed (sixth overdrive) tranny is available for Harleys as a unit or as a kit to redo the original box. Methinks the unit is like 2K. Like why bother, and why spend beauoup bucks when one can merely change the final drive ratio for a lot less bucks and way less work. Unless you're stuck with a shaft drive as opposed to a chain/belt & sprocket rig. The gearing as designed by the factory is beat all-around with very execptions. A Ninja 250 has a power band narrower than my skinny ass. so the ratios will be close. Top speed on paper by calculating gear ratios won't be top speed on pavement, especially on a 250. Aerodynamic DRAG, me lad. At some point you'll run out of horsepower and torque long before you run out of RPM. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone here rebuild motorcycle transmissions? I was wondering how > they work. On a bicycle it's fairly evident how you get different > gears, but on cars and motorcycles, what's going on is hidden and not > so obvious... > > So can someone tell me what's going on in there? > > Also is it possible (and practical cost wise) to change the gearing > inside the transmittion, if say, you were already doing a transmission > rebuild anyay. > > By changing the gearing I mean, like space out the ratio's > so that you would have to climb to a higher RPM/Speed to switch > gears, than you normally would with the factory default setup. > > Like for instance, on my ex250, the gearing (IMO) "feels" like it's > very close. It seems like if I rev up to 8k rpm I could skip a gear > when upshifting and I woldn't notice a thing.. and that seems like > most gears.. So for acedemic curiousity, I wondered all the above. > I have no plans to rebuild my tranny, but am just curious. > > In my pondering, I would think if each gear required the bike to go 5 > mph faster than normal, before shifting to the next gear, it would > add 30 mph on the top end. > > So can someone tell me how transmissions work and if what I'm thinking > is correct, or impractical? From what I'm thinking, manufacturers > could design their 600's to have the same top end speed as their > 900's, but they'd just be a little slower getting there. > > Looking forward to any responses, thanks. > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 07:04:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15713 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-53.patriot.net [209.249.180.53]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28103; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:03:55 -0400 Message-ID: <380465A3.19703B86@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:57:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sprocket questions References: <01fc01bf14de$eb5fe9d0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <3806797a.441008083@eriss.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See Fred's post. The front sprocket is also smaller = less money. Adding more rear teeth to the rear to achieve the same result may mean a longer chain. No prob if you use standard link chain which you buy in any length. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I was also curious about sprockets, I know you can go up or down > sprocket sizes in teeth, but I'm curious as to which sprocket you > would want to swap out first, the front or the rear, and why? > > For instance instead of just going up 1 in the front and down one in > the rear, why not say, go down 2 or 3 in the rear and leave the front > alone? > > Thanks for induldging me, > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 07:15:06 1999 Return-Path: waterbrook@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f48.hotmail.com [216.32.181.48]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15912 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10019 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 1999 11:14:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19991013111433.10018.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.11.113.78 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:14:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.11.113.78] From: "Art Crow" To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, rosenc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:14:32 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi everybody...I'm back (on line) I've heard talk that the cameras will record "vehicle violations" and not "operator violations"...that is, if YOUR vehicle did something "bad" you are responsible, but points are not involved. Interesting concept, eh? >From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" >To: "'Charles L. Rosen'" , "'DC Cycles'" > >Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:02:58 -0400 > >Problem is if they are like the red light cameras then they get your tag >from the rear. Then you have to prove that you were not operating you >vehicle if you decide to fight it. > >Glenn > > > > >Thank god for helmets, and no front license plates. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 07:31:04 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16165 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4QYKV6DD>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:30:56 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CB93@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Art Crow'" , rosenc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:30:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Welcome back Art. I knew this for the VA cameras but I think I heard the DC ones issue points. Glenn -----Original Message----- >I've heard talk that the cameras will record "vehicle violations" and not >"operator violations"...that is, if YOUR vehicle did something "bad" you are >responsible, but points are not involved. Interesting concept, eh? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 07:41:26 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16257 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA23822 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA25971; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4Z21VX85>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:40:37 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F3073@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: OT; No moto content; cage FS Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:40:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone is interested in buying my '92 Civic, please contact me off list. Thanks, Rich SST #78 | "I've tried smooth, '78 T140E | and found it overrated." '99 Enfield Bullet | - some guy who never gets Virginia, USA | credit for his quotes From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 07:47:35 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16382 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA24826 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA28932; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4Z21VYAJ>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:47:02 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F3074@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Loud Horns Save Lives Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:46:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Hechingers (sp?), as everyone probably knows, is going out of business with a big damn sale. The one in Reston had quite a selection of horns. Fiam hi/lo, etc. Not the fancy ones with the chrome grills, but definitely better than the typically anemic bike horns. Rich SST #78 | "I've tried smooth, '78 T140E | and found it overrated." '99 Enfield Bullet | - some guy who never gets Virginia, USA | credit for his quotes From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 07:52:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16503 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14087 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09300 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FJJ00MKTIAPI1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:36:20 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: My Concept TL1000R Photo - 2001 Maybe? To: fj1100@XXXXXX Message-id: <004a01bf156f$2bbca640$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) I love the new tail section on the GSX-R 750 for 2000. I want it on my TL! Go to: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=107565 Look at Concept Bikes. You listening Suzuki? Don't you just LOVE Photoshop? Send me your concept bikes! You can send direct to my gallery at photos@XXXXXX and THIS IS IMPORTANT! In the subject line put Account: fj1100@XXXXXX The space after the colon is very important! Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web 1: http://www.fj1100.com Web 2: http://www.tl1000.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 08:47:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18321 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:47:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199910130847.AA280166892@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: sprocket questions X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX >I was also curious about sprockets, I know you can go up or down >sprocket sizes in teeth, but I'm curious as to which sprocket you >would want to swap out first, the front or the rear, and why? The rear is usually easier to get to. The front should usually not be replaced with one smaller, because too small will damage the chain. A bigger front sprocket can have clearance problems. >For instance instead of just going up 1 in the front and down one in >the rear, why not say, go down 2 or 3 in the rear and leave the front >alone? I'd choose to replace only the rear, so I buy only one new sprocket. But that depends on how you want to change the rpm's -- one tooth on the front makes a bigger difference than one tooth on the rear. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 08:52:22 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18422 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:52:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199910130852.AA24969866@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Art Crow" , "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Art Crow" >I've heard talk that the cameras will record "vehicle violations" and not >"operator violations"...that is, if YOUR vehicle did something "bad" you are >responsible, but points are not involved. Interesting concept, eh? Yeah, it is. It's a workable answer now to more people running red lights. But we will probably regret it in the future as the cameras and the concept are used more and more for basic monitoring of people. After seeing two cars deliberately run red lights this weekend, I get more worried about losing our lives to criminals than losing some rights to governments. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 09:26:19 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18925 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:26:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256809.0049BE93 ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:25:29 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Art Crow" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256809.0048778B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:25:26 -0400 Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi Art. Welcome back dude. As far as I'm concerned the Government can take all that "Big Brother" crap and shove it up its sorry smelly ass. Just the other day I saw a news piece on a prototype V-chip for automobiles. It gives cops the ability to control your car from their police cruisers. What the hell is next? Flatulence monitors in our pants to make sure were not destroying the ozone layer by farting too much? Steve Beck >>I've heard talk that the cameras will record "vehicle violations" and not "operator violations"...that is, if YOUR vehicle did something "bad" you are responsible, but points are not involved. Interesting concept, eh?<< From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 09:46:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19288 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:46:22 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA07928; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:46:45 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma020555; Wed, 13 Oct 99 09:30:38 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJJ00294N071J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256809.004A0FE9 ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:28:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:27:03 -0400 Subject: Re: sprocket questions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256809.004A22AB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Daniel, If you want to "shorten" the gearing, i.e. more accelleration but slower top end speed, then you would want to go one fewer teeth on the front sprocket or two-three more teeth on the rear. (This is the most common change, since most people never see their bike's top end speed, but many want better accelleration) If you wanted to "lengthen" the gearing, i.e. slower accelleration but higher top speed, you would want to add a tooth on the front or subtract two-three teeth on the rear. There are different schools of thought for which sprocket you would want to change for shorter gearing, and there are pros and cons to both. If you change the front sprocket, you pay less for the sprocket itself and you might not need to replace the chain. You pay for it in increased stress on that sprocket and and increased chain wear due to the smaller diameter the chain has to travel around the sprocket. If you change the rear sprocket, it's easier to get to (i.e. do-it-yourself is easier) and results in less wear than a front sprocket change. The drawbacks are that you will probably need a new chain because your current chain is now too short, and you may have clearance problems with things like the front sprocket cover and exhaust pipes. It's all a game of compromises, and other owners of similar bikes should be able to help you decide what's the best decision for your type of bike. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Don't anybody say I never contribute anything. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX I was also curious about sprockets, I know you can go up or down sprocket sizes in teeth, but I'm curious as to which sprocket you would want to swap out first, the front or the rear, and why? For instance instead of just going up 1 in the front and down one in the rear, why not say, go down 2 or 3 in the rear and leave the front alone? Thanks for induldging me, Daniel ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 09:50:47 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19385 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19655 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4Q7HN41C>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:51:52 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8872@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:51:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Time for diligence!!!! Mike 82 xj750rj -----Original Message----- From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX [mailto:Steve_Beck@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:25 AM To: Art Crow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Hi Art. Welcome back dude. As far as I'm concerned the Government can take all that "Big Brother" crap and shove it up its sorry smelly ass. Just the other day I saw a news piece on a prototype V-chip for automobiles. It gives cops the ability to control your car from their police cruisers. What the hell is next? Flatulence monitors in our pants to make sure were not destroying the ozone layer by farting too much? Steve Beck >>I've heard talk that the cameras will record "vehicle violations" and not "operator violations"...that is, if YOUR vehicle did something "bad" you are responsible, but points are not involved. Interesting concept, eh?<< From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 09:52:30 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19400 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27515; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:52:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Chris Norloff cc: List-dc cycles Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy In-Reply-To: <199910130852.AA24969866@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Asbestos Attire Donned... "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " -Ben Franklin -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Art Crow" > > >I've heard talk that the cameras will record "vehicle violations" and not > >"operator violations"...that is, if YOUR vehicle did something "bad" you are > >responsible, but points are not involved. Interesting concept, eh? > > Yeah, it is. It's a workable answer now to more people running red lights. But we will probably regret it in the future as the cameras and the concept are used more and more for basic monitoring of people. > > After seeing two cars deliberately run red lights this weekend, I get more worried about losing our lives to criminals than losing some rights to governments. > > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 09:58:56 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19511 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA13868 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:58:33 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:58:33 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: List-dc cycles Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:58:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Asbestos Attire Donned... >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " >-Ben Franklin True then, true now Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 10:11:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19688 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA04917; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:12:14 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab09141; Wed, 13 Oct 99 09:47:48 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJJ003AYNTDFC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256809.004BAE5E ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:46:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:33:04 -0400 Subject: Re: transmission theory To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256809.004BD5DC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL If anyone wants a gearing/final drive spreadsheet, let me know. I have one for the Superhawk that should be easily altered for other bikes. It calculates theoretical top speed and engine rpms for various gears. You can change sprocket sizes and gearing to see what effect it would have on the bike's characteristics. You'd need to know and enter in your bike's gear ratios, but this info shouldn't be hard to find out. Email me if anyone wants a copy of this Excel spreadsheet. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 10:14:14 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19773 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10625 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009d01bf1584$a8ce6c30$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <85256809.004A22AB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: sprocket questions Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:10:08 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Most bike these days are limited by aerodynamics as to how fast they can go. Lenghthening your gearing, unless you don't want to shift as much, has no practical cause in a street going motorcycle. They come from the factory with tall gearing already. The factories probably do this so the bike will be manageable on the road. For example, the 600F series from Honda. I've heard from people on my CBR list that on the F2 and F3, dropping a tooth up front maintains or *slightly* increases top speed. Honda probably geared it tall like this to make the bike easy to drive, and so it wouldn't wheelie all over the place. This is because the the bike is hitting it's top speed BEFORE hitting the revlimiter, because it is runing out of power. This is a good way to determine whether or not you need taller gearing. Not that I advocate triple digit speeds, but find yourself a nice long straight EMPTY road, and wind your bike out. Do you stop accelerating when you are bouncing off the rev-limiter, or do you stop when there is still some revs left (because of aerodynamics)? Regardless, I would go for acceleration. My F4 is capable of doing 155-160 (probably more like 155 with the front sprocket down a tooth), but how often do I need to go that fast? However, out-accelerating everything that I've come across more than makes up for a couple MPH lost up top... Kirt 99 F4 "sorry to rant so long" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 11:19:24 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20820 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8s3 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14701 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012301bf158d$c4d775d0$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: That guy at that place... Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:15:22 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Where does that fellow named ROCK work? I know it's a shop up in MD, I know he just sold his F4, and I know he wants to sell the shop manual. The e-mail servers here decided to dump my mail for me this weekend, and I lost his number. Thanks Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 12:55:52 1999 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from bastion1.mail.sprint.com (bastion.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22466 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion1.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:55:37 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:54:31 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01a [192.168.18.144]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28200 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:54:29 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01703 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:53:58 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:53:57 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Who bought Ray Lucas' CB125? TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0da518b9-00000001" --openmail-part-0da518b9-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.RTF" Hello group, I'm posting this message on behalf of Ray Lucas, a former member of DC Cycles. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (we just celebrated our 2 year anniversary together!) * - * - * - * - * - * -* - * - * -* - * - * -* - * - * -* - * - * - RAY IS LOOKING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT HIS CB125 Looking for the people that bought my Honda CB125 last March, sorry I can't remember your name and I can't find the copies of the paperwork. Please email me at raymondlucas@XXXXXX Ray --openmail-part-0da518b9-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 13:30:08 1999 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from bastion1.mail.sprint.com (bastion.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23100 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion1.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:29:36 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:28:56 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01a [192.168.18.144]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09281; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:28:54 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA11364; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:28:24 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:28:23 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Another tire bites the dust - early TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: raymondlucas@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0da5a3cb-00000001" --openmail-part-0da5a3cb-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.RTF" Hi group, I'm having a situation with the front tire on my 454 LTD. In my opinion, I think it's too soon to replace it, but then, what do I know. Here's the situation: The tire is separating from the rim and won't hold air for very long. Every weekend before I head out riding, I have to pump up the tire to 28 psi. Throughout the week while it sits in an outdoor parking lot, it deflates to where it won't even register on the tire pressure gauge. What bums me is there's lots of tread left, the tire is only a little over a year old, and has only about 6,000 miles of mostly gentle riding on it. There is a little bit of dry rot but air is not escaping from there. That was checked by putting the tire in a tub of water. Bubbles come from the rim, not the rot. The mag rim is in excellent shape, by the way. My questions are: could this tire be saved by pumping it up so it "reseats" again, or is that even possible? What causes a tire to separate from the rim? -- Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-0da5a3cb-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 14:23:38 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23865 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id OAA10661 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id OAA21554; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4Z21W241>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F307E@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: What Your Bike Says About You Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:22:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since someone took the time to type/scan this in, might as well share it. Looks like I have to find a new sig line too. *sigh* Rich SST #78 | "I've tried smooth, '78 T140E | and found it overrated." '99 Enfield Bullet | - some guy who never gets Virginia, USA | credit for his quotes This is taken from the November issue of Cycle World, the column "Leanings" by Peter Eagan. What Your Bike Says About You -Ducati 916 SPS monoposto: My wife is having an affair with her tennis coach. -Honda ST1100: I really do understand the stock market. -1967 Triumph T120 Bonneville: If I'd had this bike instead of a Cushman Eagle when I lived in the fraternity house in 1965, I might now be married to a former cheerleader named Veronica. -Harley-Davidson XR1000: All my left shoes are made of steel, and all my motorcycle boots have laces. -Yamaha TZ250: My other bike is a van. -Brough Superior SS100: My mother was an Episcopalian. -Moto Guzzi Eldorado: If I'd wanted a Harley, I'd have bought a Harley. But I didn't, and I didn't. -Honda GL1500 Gold Wing Aspencade: The wife and I both feel that donuts are an unfairly maligned and under-appreciated source of protein and minerals. -BMW R1100RT: The sound system on my bike is permanently tuned to Public Radio, but when I play it too loud I can't hear the cell phone. -Velocette Thruxton: I have a professional-quality dartboard in our basement rec room, next to the real ale tapper on the wet bar. -Yamaha V-Max: I am the only mechanical engineer in our office with a Mohawk. -Ural Tourist: My Yugo is waiting for parts. -India Enfield Bullet: My 1965 short-wheelbase Land Rover is waiting for parts. -Triumph Speed Triple: I'm not waiting for any parts. Ever again. -Honda Elite 80: My mom is knitting a warmer scarf for going to class. -Vincent Series C Black Shadow: If you need to borrow any books or videos on the Battle of Britain, the life of Winston Churchill or Gordon's defense of Khartoum, I have an extensive library. -Honda CBX: I can pronounce both "Soichiro" and "Irimagiri" correctly. Also, I own many valve shims. -Suzuki TL1000R: Desmo Schmezmo; I just wann ride. -MV Agusta 750S: Our firstborn son is the only Ago Schmiddlekopf in the Milwaukee phone book. -Kawasaki ZX-11: I am on my way to the insurance agent's office for a personal conference, during which I will explain everything. -Honda 400F: My husband thinks I believe he bought this bike just for me. -Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa: The Honda CBR1100XX was making me late for work. -Triumph Trophy TR6-C: I have seen The Great Escape, starring Steve McQueen, 27 times. And so have my two remaining friends. -Munch Mammoth: I have been fighting a lifelong, losing battle with the Dark Side. -Honda CBR600F2: My older brother is in the Air Force. -Pope 998 V-Twin: I am on my way to the annual stationary steam engine and vintage farm implement meet. -Norton 750 Atlas: I tried smooth and found it overrated. -Harley-Davidson WLA 45 Flathead: I am saving for a Stearman. -1942 BMW R75: I show the Luger collection only to a few close friends who know how to handle them without leaving acidic or salty fingerprints. -Honda Pacific Coast: I am among the very small minority of human beings who honestly don't care what anybody else thinks. If I did, I'd probably own a bike just like yours. -Harley FX Super Glide "Night Train": There are only six things in my refrigerator, and they are all beer. -Henderson Four: My grandson thinks these computers are quite the coming thing, apparently. -Yamaha R1: My hair is not actually on fire, it's just a figure of speech. -Maico 360 X4: Since the bypass surgery, my dirt riding and energy level have improved tremendously. -Bimota DB3 Mantra: Ducatis are all very well, but I don't find them quite Italian enough. -Moto Guzzi Cantauro: Sometimes I misspell the word "eccentric" on purpose, just to be different. -Whizzer/Schwinn Phantom: I still own my first baseball glove, Warren Spahn-autograph model. -Boss Hoss V8: I can curl more weight with one arm than you can move on a refrigerator dolly. -MV August F4 Oro: My wife is spending exactly $37,000 on our kitchen, just as soon as she can find a contractor. -Honda Valkyrie: I tried vibration and lassitude and found them overrated -Harley-Davidson 883 Sportster: I am on my way to the Harley shop to purchase a larger set of pistons. -Buell Thunderbolt: This big air-cleaner housing is coming right off, just as soon as I can get home to my toolbox. -Honda CL77 305 Scrambler: My high school letter jacket still fits. More or less." From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 14:40:01 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24120 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11bTJJ-0006l5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:39:37 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04130 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 13 Oct 1999 14:38:34 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re:sprocket questions Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:47:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I have some things to add to the sprocket discussion. First, on my F2, changing the front sprocket wasn't really any more difficult than the rear. My F2 with stock gearing wouldn't redline in 5th gear, much less 6th. So, for the racetrack, I want to set it up with gearing that will allow it to get out of 5th. That'll give me a better chance of hitting top speed down the straight. For the street, you have to think about different things. If you are going to ride across the country, you don't want the bike turning 7K RPMs all the way while going 65 MPH in 6th gear. The factories probably setup the bikes by figuring a reasonable ratio for 1st so that you can easily pull away from a traffic light, and a reasonable ratio for 6th so that you can travel at normal highway speeds at a reasonable RPM. Then fill in the rest of the ratios attempting to keep the motor in the power band if you shift at redline. Depending on how difficult it is to change the front sprocket (apparently it must be on some bikes), I'd change the front on a streetbike. The chain might wear out more quickly, but if you want to go on said cross country trip, you can change it back without changing the chain length. On the other hand, 1 or 2 sprockets in the rear probably don't require a chain length change. On the F2, it seems easier to remove the cover and change the sprocket than to remove the rear wheel. Even after removing it many times, it is still a serious pain. Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 15:04:48 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com (na-ex-bridge1.nai.com [208.228.228.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24510 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4ZFWRF59>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:05:39 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2955@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: 12" Motorcycle rim? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:03:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A friend of mine is looking for a 12" motorcycle rim. Ideally, something like a 3"x12" or 3.5"x12" that will take spokes. I have no idea what he's doing, or working on, but figured I'd toss it out here and see if anyone has any clues. Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 15:29:58 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24914 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:29:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199910131529.AA288817644@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver X-Mailer: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver I talked with Fairfax County Police Capt. Tom Bernal about their citizen reporting system to track complaints of aggressive driving. (Part of their RoadShark program, www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/Roadshark.htm) Call 691-2131 to report aggressive drivers in Fairfax County (it doesn't matter where the car is tagged, but the incident must be in Fairfax County). They need the license tag no., the vehicle description, and preferably also a description of the driver. The vehicle owner will get a letter from the Police identifying the car, driver, and the aggressive driving complaint. Bernal said they get a mix of no response, my-son-was-driving-and-I'll-take-care-of-it, "I did't realize how I was perceived", and " F U " (my words, not Bernal's). They don't keep a list of complaints against particular drivers, but Bernal said they actually had a female senior driver retested by DMV after she got 6 complaints. She tested okay! Bernal said he believes Fairfax County is the first jurisdiction in the country to do something like this, and he's received inquiries from other jurisdictions all over the country. So there you have it, at least in Fairfax County, there's a little something you CAN do about jerks on the road. Chris kinda-wish-I-lived-in-Fairfax-County Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 15:37:02 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25060 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:36:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199910131536.AA200802830@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: ursulina viteri CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Another tire bites the dust - early X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ursulina viteri > The tire is separating from the rim and won't hold air for very >long. >...There is a little bit of dry rot but air is not escaping from >there. That was checked by putting the tire in a tub of water. Bubbles >come from the rim, not the rot. The mag rim is in excellent shape, by >the way. That sounds really scary, and rather odd. The dry rot is not good, and you might want to replace the tire just on that basis. Don't worry about the tread remaining, tires get old with time, exposure to sunlight, and mileage -- any one of those is a good reason to buy a new tire. If the rim itself is not holding air, it's probably cracked and should be replaced right away. If the tire is not seated correctly on the rim it should be re-seated (check the raised lines that go around the tire right where it meets the rim - the distance between the lines and the rim tell you if the tire is on straight). If there's some foreign matter stuck between the tire & the rim it must be removed. Also possible is the rim is gunked up and needs to be cleaned for the tire to seat properly. If it took 6,000 mi. for a problem to occur, my guess is there's a defect in the tire itself or the rim itself -- something to get checked out right away. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 15:51:23 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25260 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id cOEAa02561 (3938); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.66988eee.25363c93@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:50:43 EDT Subject: Re: sprocket questions To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/13/99 2:47:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: << Depending on how difficult it is to change the front sprocket (apparently it must be on some bikes), I'd change the front on a streetbike. >> I agree, the front sprocket is the way to go on a street bike, you will probably change it once to achieve lower highway rpms or to achieve quicker acceleration and if one doesn't like it it can be changed back without having bought a new chain. Actually I have 5-6 of what appear to be unused rear sprockets for the RD racebike and 5-6 very used front sprockets, seems that the former owner (an avid sprocket changer) only changed the front when setting up for different tracks. Haven't had the need to change sprockets, bike blows up too quickly. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 15:56:40 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25284 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:56:37 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id PAA0000023690; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:56:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 Good info, Chris. Thanks. Did they say if they report the identity of the complainant? And does it include interstates in Fairfax County, or state highways such as the Toll Road? thanks cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver I talked with Fairfax County Police Capt. Tom Bernal about their citizen reporting system to track complaints of aggressive driving. (Part of their RoadShark program, www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/Roadshark.htm) Call 691-2131 to report aggressive drivers in Fairfax County (it doesn't matter where the car is tagged, but the incident must be in Fairfax County). They need the license tag no., the vehicle description, and preferably also a description of the driver. The vehicle owner will get a letter from the Police identifying the car, driver, and the aggressive driving complaint. Bernal said they get a mix of no response, my-son-was-driving-and-I'll-take-care-of-it, "I did't realize how I was perceived", and " F U " (my words, not Bernal's). They don't keep a list of complaints against particular drivers, but Bernal said they actually had a female senior driver retested by DMV after she got 6 complaints. She tested okay! Bernal said he believes Fairfax County is the first jurisdiction in the country to do something like this, and he's received inquiries from other jurisdictions all over the country. So there you have it, at least in Fairfax County, there's a little something you CAN do about jerks on the road. Chris kinda-wish-I-lived-in-Fairfax-County Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 16:35:10 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25951 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 13 Oct 1999 23:30:36 UT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:36 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver Message-ID: <19991013163652781-b4430dd@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now... as both a motorcyclist and a cager... what really defines an aggressive driver. Does this mean that if I'm in the left hand lane on I-66 or I-95 doing 80 (OK... 80 is a little too fast but you know what I'm getting at) in my Firebird or on my VFR that someone can turn me in for driving like an asshole? Hmmm... potentially a good idea... but I can see that there could be a lot of false finger pointing going on. Tom '86 VFR750 '00 Formula 6spd ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver Author: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Date: 10/13/1999 3:56 PM Good info, Chris. Thanks. Did they say if they report the identity of the compla inant? And does it include interstates in Fairfax County, or state highways such as the Toll Road? thanks cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver I talked with Fairfax County Police Capt. Tom Bernal about their citizen reporti ng system to track complaints of aggressive driving. (Part of their RoadShark p rogram, www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/Roadshark.htm) Call 691-2131 to report aggressive drivers in Fairfax County (it doesn't matter where the car is tagged, but the incident must be in Fairfax County). They need the license tag no., the vehicle description, and preferably also a description of the drive r. The vehicle owner will get a letter from the Police identifying the car, driver, and the aggressive driving complaint. Bernal said they get a mix of no respons e, my-son-was-driving-and-I'll-take-care-of-it, "I did't realize how I was perce ived", and " F U " (my words, not Bernal's). They don't keep a list of complaints against particular drivers, but Bernal said they actually had a female senior driver retested by DMV after she got 6 compla ints. She tested okay! Bernal said he believes Fairfax County is the first jurisdiction in the country to do something like this, and he's received inquiries from other jurisdictions all over the country. So there you have it, at least in Fairfax County, there's a little something you CAN do about jerks on the road. Chris kinda-wish-I-lived-in-Fairfax-County Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 16:37:02 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25981 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:36:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199910131636.AA70124196@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver X-Mailer: He didn't say about reporting the identity of the complainant. I'd suspect not -- that number I believe is the regular non-emergency number for Fairfax County, and my interpretation is that this is considered a formal citizen complaint to law enforcement. He DID say they keep track of things so it doesn't get to be just a way to harass your neighbor, for example. He didn't say about what kinds of roads. I'd take it as any road in the County (because they'd have some level of jurisdiction there, right?) Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:56:09 -0400 >Good info, Chris. Thanks. Did they say if they report the identity of the complainant? And does it include interstates in Fairfax County, or state highways such as the Toll Road? > >thanks > >cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: >> Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver > >I talked with Fairfax County Police Capt. Tom Bernal about their citizen reporting system to track complaints of aggressive driving. (Part of their RoadShark program, www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/Roadshark.htm) > >Call 691-2131 to report aggressive drivers in Fairfax County (it doesn't matter where the car is tagged, but the incident must be in Fairfax County). They need the license tag no., the vehicle description, and preferably also a description of the driver. > >The vehicle owner will get a letter from the Police identifying the car, driver, and the aggressive driving complaint. Bernal said they get a mix of no response, my-son-was-driving-and-I'll-take-care-of-it, "I did't realize how I was perceived", and " F U " (my words, not Bernal's). > >They don't keep a list of complaints against particular drivers, but Bernal said they actually had a female senior driver retested by DMV after she got 6 complaints. She tested okay! > >Bernal said he believes Fairfax County is the first jurisdiction in the country to do something like this, and he's received inquiries from other jurisdictions all over the country. > >So there you have it, at least in Fairfax County, there's a little something you CAN do about jerks on the road. > >Chris kinda-wish-I-lived-in-Fairfax-County Norloff > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 16:40:02 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26004 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-84.patriot.net [209.249.180.84]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25816; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3804EC53.FD012E3C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:32:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX CC: Art Crow , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lookout on GW Pkwy References: <85256809.0048778B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit U.S. Patent # something - Snug elastic waistband/legband undies with a built in activated charcoal filter to adsorb all the smellys one leaks out on those important special date nights. It also claims "muffling" capability for us Harley farters who tend to exceed 80db. Bill Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: > > What the hell is next? Flatulence monitors in our pants to make sure were > not destroying the ozone layer by farting too much? > > Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 16:56:36 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26228 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:13:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199910131713.AA14353010@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Tom Zell" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Tom Zell" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:36 -0400 > Does this mean that if I'm in the left hand lane on I-66 or I-95 > doing 80 (OK... 80 is a little too fast but you know what I'm getting > at) in my Firebird or on my VFR that someone can turn me in for > driving like an asshole? It'd be a damn shame if they do. I'd be more likely call in on somebody moving out in the left lane AT THE SPEED LIMIT around here. :) "Honest, Officer, that damned cager was impeding traffic." :) Horkster (I wish we played by Autobahn rules) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 17:02:28 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26371 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:19:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199910131719.AA3932802@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Bill Huson CC: Art Crow , Subject: Re: Off Topic: Lookout on GW Pkwy X-Mailer: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >> What the hell is next? Flatulence monitors in our pants to make >> sure were not destroying the ozone layer by farting too much? And Bill Huson replied: >U.S. Patent # something - Snug elastic waistband/legband undies with > a uilt in activated charcoal filter to adsorb all the smellys one > leaks out on those important special date nights. It also claims > "muffling" capability for us Harley farters who tend to exceed 80db. Reminds me of a story I heard recently about a guy who ate his underwear to get past a breathalyzer test! :) Not sure if it was successful or not. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 17:11:21 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26471 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-84.patriot.net [209.249.180.84]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA30785; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:11:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3804F3FB.546BD82F@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:04:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver References: <199910131529.AA288817644@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buggers. 99% of the a--holes that I have to dodge are in Arlington. Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver > > I talked with Fairfax County Police Capt. Tom Bernal about their citizen reporting system to track complaints of aggressive driving. (Part of their RoadShark program, www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/Roadshark.htm) > > Call 691-2131 to report aggressive drivers in Fairfax County (it doesn't matter where the car is tagged, but the incident must be in Fairfax County). They need the license tag no., the vehicle description, and preferably also a description of the driver. > > The vehicle owner will get a letter from the Police identifying the car, driver, and the aggressive driving complaint. Bernal said they get a mix of no response, my-son-was-driving-and-I'll-take-care-of-it, "I did't realize how I was perceived", and " F U " (my words, not Bernal's). > > They don't keep a list of complaints against particular drivers, but Bernal said they actually had a female senior driver retested by DMV after she got 6 complaints. She tested okay! > > Bernal said he believes Fairfax County is the first jurisdiction in the country to do something like this, and he's received inquiries from other jurisdictions all over the country. > > So there you have it, at least in Fairfax County, there's a little something you CAN do about jerks on the road. > > Chris kinda-wish-I-lived-in-Fairfax-County Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 17:41:06 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26911 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19318 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FJK006012HTFD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FJK00A7F5X1CZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id <4KQHX9AQ>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:23:31 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:20:41 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver To: List-dc cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020ACA1C@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Chris kinda-wish-I-lived-in-Fairfax-County Norloff > [Horstman, Tracy L] So does that mean, Chris, you're going to patrolling Fairfax County so that you turn someone in??? :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 18:06:28 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27290 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:06:26 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id SAA14584; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:06:46 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004418; Wed, 13 Oct 99 17:19:02 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJK00CKZ8PJGL@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256809.0074FBDA ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:17:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver To: Tom Zell Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-id: <85256809.0074F1B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Tom, I don't think this will be much of a problem due to the fact that people are generally lazy about this sort of thing. I would think that you (general) would have to do something fairly agregious for someone to go to the effort to report you. I know it doesn't take much to file a report, but again people are lazy by nature. Course, I could be wrong too! :-) --chris To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" cc: From: Tom Zell Date: 10/13/99 08:36:00 PM GMT Subject: Re[2]: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver Now... as both a motorcyclist and a cager... what really defines an aggressive driver. Does this mean that if I'm in the left hand lane on I-66 or I-95 doing 80 (OK... 80 is a little too fast but you know what I'm getting at) in my Firebird or on my VFR that someone can turn me in for driving like an asshole? Hmmm... potentially a good idea... but I can see that there could be a lot of false finger pointing going on. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 19:38:11 1999 Return-Path: mcycleracr@XXXXXX Received: from web701.mail.yahoo.com (web701.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28904 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991013234940.16089.rocketmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.78.117.14] by web701.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:49:40 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:49:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat McCoy Subject: McCoy's trip... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So.. this is for those who wonder what I'm up to (still traveling actually). Road Atlanta and the GNF WERA event was a wash.. litteraly. Rain fell on us off and on through Saturday, and totaly drenched the area for Sunday (talk to the racers, there was a RIVER running across the track in 2 places.. one of them was 2+inches deep). >From there I took off for Chattanooga to drink on Sunday night.. Mr. Dysart knows the place. Then it's into Springfield, MO. I've been here for the past few days, hiking the Ozarks, and riding the roads. They're, for the most park, well kept, rarely traveled, and very twisty... better than most the stuff we were riding in the NoVA area (esp. considering I was in the corners less than 4 miles outside of town!) Well, on to TX for the weekend.. I have a young lady waiting to be a hostess.. and I'm going to take my road riding to the water on some jet-skis.... :) Hugh, damnit, you're not the only one who can have fun on the road!! Brian McCoy ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 19:48:01 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29054 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991013235259.2368.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:52:59 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: re: transmission theory To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel, How it works is a bit beyond my ability to describe without having pictures in front of me to show you... howevever, for your other part of the question, it is fairly impracticle on *most* bikes to change the internal ratios unless you fully tear into things (requires splitting the caseson most bikes) and wouldn't really benefit what you are wanting...a much much simpler solution that will effectively give you what you want across all gears is to change the final drive ratio... go to a 1 tooth larger front sprocket or a few teeth smaller rear (or any combination) to get a taller ratio... You're the first sportbike rider I've ever heard of wanting a wider ratio tranny though ;-) I'd like to get the close ratio custom tranny for the race bike (you actually save/gain a bit of horsepower) but it alone would cost well over $1000.... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 20:41:15 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from zzapp.org (mail.zzapp.org [206.165.125.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29905 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-67.s321.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.67]) by zzapp.org with SMTP (IPAD 2.5) id 3743400 ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:40:26 -0400 From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <009d01bf1584$a8ce6c30$a95e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: more sprocket questions Message-Id: <199910140040.3743400@zzapp.org> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:10:08 -0400, Kirt S. wrote: >Most bike these days are limited by aerodynamics as to how fast they can go. >Lenghthening your gearing, unless you don't want to shift as much, has no >practical cause in a street going motorcycle. They come from the factory >with tall gearing already. The factories probably do this so the bike will >be manageable on the road. When riding the "Chick Magnet," I end up shifting into 6th gear at about 35-40 mph. The bike will do over 100 mph. Would going to a smaller rear sprocket make riding more pleasurable (not having to shift as often), or would it make the bike seem too much less powerful? Thanks.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 "Grimmy" '78 Suzuki GS400 "Chick Magnet" ABATE of Maryland MRF / AMA / HRCA Iron Butt Association "Misplaced Idahoan" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 20:56:46 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00262 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-2.patriot.net [209.249.180.2]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA19040; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:56:38 -0400 Message-ID: <380528CC.A3E0B68D@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:50:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory References: <19991013235259.2368.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah - I forgot - most (all?) jap bikes are *units*. Popping the seperate tranny on mine isn't that hard, and occasionally I find myself reaching for the non-existant 6th gear, but then I peek at the speedo and decide I'm going fast enough. But as you say, if I wanted 6th gear or the advantage of less hiway RPMs, I'd switch to a 34 tooth cogwheel. That would drop the Rs below 3K at 70. Yeah, yrah, I know. My mill hits the rev limiter about the time your screamers are going into the power band. Methinks Daniel really needs a bigger machine. A nice used cheap 500 would put a grin on his face. We can get close to 100 HP out of a 250cc PRO race boat engine, but that's a two-stroke on alcohol and few *smoke* additives and tuning for max RPM with no regard for lo-speed anything. We run a one mile oval at WOT and use sliding tuned pipes for dumping speed in the turns. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Daniel, > How it works is a bit beyond my ability to describe without having > pictures in front of me to show you... howevever, for your other part > of the question, it is fairly impracticle on *most* bikes to change the > internal ratios unless you fully tear into things (requires splitting > the caseson most bikes) and wouldn't really benefit what you are > wanting...a much much simpler solution that will effectively give you > what you want across all gears is to change the final drive ratio... go > to a 1 tooth larger front sprocket or a few teeth smaller rear (or any > combination) to get a taller ratio... > > You're the first sportbike rider I've ever heard of wanting a wider > ratio tranny though ;-) I'd like to get the close ratio custom tranny > for the race bike (you actually save/gain a bit of horsepower) but it > alone would cost well over $1000.... > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 20:56:53 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00272 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991014005653.18228.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.199] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:56:53 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re:sprocket questions To: "Jay St. Peter" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > On the other hand, 1 or 2 sprockets in the rear > probably don't require a chain length change. Yep. I went up 2 teeth on the rear and was just barely able to use the chain without adding links. However, it was a slightly used chain....a brand new one would have been unable to jump up 2 without additions. > On the F2, it seems easier to remove the cover and > change the sprocket than to remove the rear wheel. > Even after removing it many times, it is still a > serious pain. You got that right...pretty damn awkward when doing it alone. I always wish I owned a VFR when dealing with the rear axle. Sprocket advice: don't buy aluminum unless you're ready to have to replace them regularly. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 21:01:26 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00407 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991014010436.7531.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:04:36 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: transmission theory To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, it would almost be too nice of the japanese to make all their bikes like the TZ250's and a handful of other bikes out there with cartridge transmissions.. I've watched fellas out at the track change out individual gears tuning for a single turn, and it takes them nothing flat to do it... CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 21:02:16 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00427 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (216-164-128-201.s201.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.128.201]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id VAA08056 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bf15df$ebc7e6a0$c980a4d8@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Low Dollar Internet Provider Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:03:24 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does anyone have any insight on a good low dollar 56K internert connection? Erols now wants $191.00 for a one year plan. While I am happy with the connection speed Erols provides, I am willing to switch providers if I can get the same sevice and performance at a lower cost. In fact, I have seen ads in the Washington Post Business section quoting rate of $4.95 a month. Any help would be appreciated. (I know this is off topic, but it sure beats the gun threads!!!) Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 21:20:19 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00695 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA10460; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bf15e2$a1033f40$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , References: <000d01bf15df$ebc7e6a0$c980a4d8@rdt> Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:22:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 If you live close enough why don't you bite the bullet and go ADSL? Bell Atlantic set mine up cheap (sale for new subscribers when the service came out) and it only costs me $60 a month (with ISP) for a full time high speed connection. It rocks. Tom '86 VFR750 '00 Formula 6spd ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:03 PM Subject: Low Dollar Internet Provider > Does anyone have any insight on a good low dollar 56K internert connection? > Erols now wants $191.00 for a one year plan. While I am happy with the > connection speed Erols provides, I am willing to switch providers if I can > get the same sevice and performance at a lower cost. In fact, I have seen > ads in the Washington Post Business section quoting rate of $4.95 a month. > Any help would be appreciated. (I know this is off topic, but it sure beats > the gun threads!!!) > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 21:22:15 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00715 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-2.patriot.net [209.249.180.2]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21057; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: <38052EAD.9E8A8D85@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:15:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider References: <000d01bf15df$ebc7e6a0$c980a4d8@rdt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks PatriotNet charges me 150 or 160+ for a one year deal. Erols blow goats. Bill Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > Does anyone have any insight on a good low dollar 56K internert connection? > Erols now wants $191.00 for a one year plan. While I am happy with the > connection speed Erols provides, I am willing to switch providers if I can > get the same sevice and performance at a lower cost. In fact, I have seen > ads in the Washington Post Business section quoting rate of $4.95 a month. > Any help would be appreciated. (I know this is off topic, but it sure beats > the gun threads!!!) > Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 21:24:31 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00726 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-2.patriot.net [209.249.180.2]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21245; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:24:24 -0400 Message-ID: <38052F4D.94963685@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:18:05 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory References: <19991014010436.7531.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May be a rumor, but I've been told that Units leak less. My guess is they're cheaper to build, which is why most cars are front wheel drive. They ain't better, just cheaper to build. And a bitch to work on. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Yep, it would almost be too nice of the japanese to make all their > bikes like the TZ250's and a handful of other bikes out there with > cartridge transmissions.. I've watched fellas out at the track change > out individual gears tuning for a single turn, and it takes them > nothing flat to do it... > CT > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 22:45:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01953 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19130 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA10007 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server22.hypermart.net (qmailr@XXXXXX [206.253.222.113]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA87473 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24176 invoked by uid 32767); 14 Oct 1999 02:45:18 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1999 02:45:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19991014024518.24175.qmail@server22.hypermart.net> To: pagep142@XXXXXX From: BobP-101199@XXXXXX Subject: Protecting You Pages/Site (3638) You asked how to protect your web site. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 23:31:55 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02670 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:31:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2GEDa12219 (4006) for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.af9f5246.2536a886@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:31:18 EDT Subject: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 I did this last Christmas....I was eastbound on Rt. 50 heading into Fairfax, when a moron, merging onto 50 from Fairfax pkwy, attempts to merge into my lane by going the same speed as me, and in the same spot where I am located. Nevermind the fact they are to yield, and I have the right of way. There is no one behind me. Rather than shave off 5-10 mph and tucking in behind me, they scream forward to make it ahead of me before their lane runs out, and then slams on the brakes. I swing around, having made sure their is a nice fat map in traffic on the left. I hang back, follow them to Fair Oaks mall, and got an accurate description of the car & driver. Don't know if anything ever came of it, but I felt mildly empowered. *I still like my Dad's paintball gun idea.....felony-shmelony!* -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 23:46:30 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03110 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8558 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1999 03:45:36 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1999 03:45:36 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA22599; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:48:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:48:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199910140348.XAA22599@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: ursulina viteri Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Another tire bites the dust - early On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:28:23 -0400 ursulina viteri wrote: > The tire is separating from the rim and won't hold air for very long. >Every weekend before I head out riding, I have to pump up the tire to 28 >psi. Throughout the week while it sits in an outdoor parking lot, it >deflates to where it won't even register on the tire pressure gauge. Sounds like a bent rim. > What bums me is there's lots of tread left, the tire is only a little >over a year old, and has only about 6,000 miles of mostly gentle riding >on it. There is a little bit of dry rot but air is not escaping from >there. That was checked by putting the tire in a tub of water. Bubbles >come from the rim, not the rot. Yep,bent rim. The mag rim is in excellent shape, by >the way. Have you had it checked,or are you just doing a visual? A shop can actually check the runout to determine if it's good or not. > My questions are: could this tire be saved by pumping it up so it >"reseats" again, or is that even possible? Worth a try. Cheaper than a new wheel. What causes a tire to >separate from the rim? Big potholes,road construction lips,railroad tracks, etc. I'm amazed that all the times I went through Georgetown I never trashed the Performance Machine wheels on my Buells. I'd say pull the wheel and take it to a reputable local shop to get checked. Anyone know of a local shop that fixes bent rims? I've seen a couple ads in moto mags,but none were local. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 13 23:49:57 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03272 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11059 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1999 03:49:17 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1999 03:49:17 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA22907; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:52:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:52:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199910140352.XAA22907@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: Lookout on GW Pkwy On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Morris Berman wrote: >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " >-Ben Franklin 'Fart Proudly' -same dude ;-) My fav: "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. the decayed state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks nothing is worth war is much worse. The individual who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, whose only concern is for his personal saftey, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the excursions of better men than himself."Author Unknown The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 00:24:59 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03761 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29313 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1999 04:23:08 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1999 04:23:08 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA30587; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:25:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:25:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199910140425.AAA30587@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:transmission theory On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:22:09 GMT daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >Anyone here rebuild motorcycle transmissions? I was wondering how >they work. On a bicycle it's fairly evident how you get different >gears, but on cars and motorcycles, what's going on is hidden and not >so obvious... > >So can someone tell me what's going on in there? Easy,buy a Harley,then buy an offishul HD(TM) Shop Manual,and check in the transmission section. Cool illustrations of exactly what's happening when you shift into the various gears. Or,just check out someone else's manual. Seriously,it's hard to explain w/out visual aids. Put (overly)simply,when you shift gears,you route power through the gearbox by different paths that change the overall gearing. The best way to explain would be using the afforementioned HD manual. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 00:54:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04161 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19892 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12635 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.126]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:49:04 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: helmet life Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:51:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bf15ff$d7c021c0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 What is the lifespan of a helmet that hasn't been dropped? I seem to remember 5 years for some reason. I was looking at the label inside my lid the other day, and noticed a June 1995 date in there. If this is the case, I'd like to get a new helmet this winter, while someone is hopefully discounting them. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 01:04:50 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04282 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:04:48 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2OAYa29649 (4463) for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.1221995b.2536be4d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:04:13 EDT Subject: they're not just after motor-bikes ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 On Monday, I was bicycling south on Rock creek Parkway. While I normally take the bike path through the zoo to go around the tunnel, that route now closes at 6:00 pm. I was riding at approx. 20 mph when midway between the zoo entrance and the tunnel entrance a blue 4-door sedan passed me dangerously close at a high speed. The occupants yelled something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A little upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the tunnel and saw the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I said, as I rode past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the direction of the car. They yelled back, "Faggot!" Then I crossed the road and returned to the bike path that leads towards Georgetown. After I went down the little hill and crossed the bridge, I could see that the blue sedan was now stopped in the right lane of traffic and the driver was running across the grass to cut me off. Not wanting to stop, I sped up and tried to accelerate and maneuver my way around him. Unfortunately he hit me across the face with something hard. I stayed on the bike and rode up to where the trail is again close to the parkway. I was bleeding profusely, I thought, from my nose. I had my cell phone with me so I called 911. When they answered, I said that I had been assaulted and that they should get the tag number that I read over and over. Handily, the driver had conveniently brought his car up towards me so that the driver could show his wife and his child in the car seat the results of his efforts. The 911 dispatch kept asking me where I was and telling me that we were breaking up. Eventually the car drove away and the phone connection was dropped. I called again and was eventually connected to the Park Police dispatch who told me that they would send a squad car and an ambulance. While I waited, a jogger and a dog walker were nice enough to stop and offer comfort until the police arrived. Three squad cars arrived after 10 minutes had passed from my second 911 call. An ambulance and a fire truck also arrived. After filing a tentative report, I was taken to Georgetown University Hospital. Yesterday I had surgery to repair my broken upper jaw. I now have two titanium plates in my head (even more reason to want that Merlin!) and a wired-shut jaw. Meanwhile, the Metropolitan Police department claims to have no record of the first 911 call when I repeated the tag number of the car. I was reading it to the dispatch and didn't try to memorize it. I'll keep you informed if anything more is learned, but it looks like there's one dangerous guy still out there. Richard Gould Chevy Chase, MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 01:26:37 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04566 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA26804; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:30:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: ursulina viteri , List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Another tire bites the dust - early In-Reply-To: <199910131536.AA200802830@piglet.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good answer below. Also check for bent rim (should be obvious upon spinning it) and corrosion (fix is to push tire away from rim and clean rim with steel wool or similar; I then add a bead of silicone seal/caulk). You can locate site of leak in situ with soapy water. --garcia On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: ursulina viteri > > > The tire is separating from the rim and won't hold air for very >long. > >...There is a little bit of dry rot but air is not escaping from > >there. That was checked by putting the tire in a tub of water. Bubbles > >come from the rim, not the rot. The mag rim is in excellent shape, by > >the way. > > > That sounds really scary, and rather odd. The dry rot is not good, and you might want to replace the tire just on that basis. Don't worry about the tread remaining, tires get old with time, exposure to sunlight, and mileage -- any one of those is a good reason to buy a new tire. > > If the rim itself is not holding air, it's probably cracked and should be replaced right away. If the tire is not seated correctly on the rim it should be re-seated (check the raised lines that go around the tire right where it meets the rim - the distance between the lines and the rim tell you if the tire is on straight). > > If there's some foreign matter stuck between the tire & the rim it must be removed. Also possible is the rim is gunked up and needs to be cleaned for the tire to seat properly. > > If it took 6,000 mi. for a problem to occur, my guess is there's a defect in the tire itself or the rim itself -- something to get checked out right away. > > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 01:39:50 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04763 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA27338; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:43:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:43:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider In-Reply-To: <000d01bf15df$ebc7e6a0$c980a4d8@rdt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NetZero is free if you can get it to work and can put up with ads. Download it and see. My $5/mo el cheapo isp (netkonnect) is not as good as the $20/mo flavor: during busy times (late afternoon to 10 pm or so), there are significantly more dropped connections and logon failures. Otherwise it's ok. --garcia On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > Does anyone have any insight on a good low dollar 56K internert connection? > Erols now wants $191.00 for a one year plan. While I am happy with the > connection speed Erols provides, I am willing to switch providers if I can > get the same sevice and performance at a lower cost. In fact, I have seen > ads in the Washington Post Business section quoting rate of $4.95 a month. > Any help would be appreciated. (I know this is off topic, but it sure beats > the gun threads!!!) > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 02:30:17 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA06221 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 02:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:34:40 -0700 Received: from ip132.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.132] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A45CA481B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:34:40 -0700 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:25:42 GMT Message-ID: <3805a0b2.516595745@eriss.com> References: <85256809.0074F1B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> In-Reply-To: <85256809.0074F1B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A4B70-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:43 -0400, you wrote: |>Tom, |> |>I don't think this will be much of a problem due to the fact that = people |>are generally lazy about this sort of thing. I would think that you |>(general) would have to do something fairly agregious for someone to go= to |>the effort to report you. I know it doesn't take much to file a = report, |>but again people are lazy by nature. I resent you saying people are lazy! I'd tell you off, but I don't feel like doing that right now... maybe later or something hehe - Daniel necessity is the mother of invention, and laziness is the father of that creativity. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 02:40:47 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA06304 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 02:40:45 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:46:42 -0700 Received: from ip132.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.132] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A45CA781B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:46:32 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:37:03 GMT Message-ID: <3806a23d.516990950@eriss.com> References: <19991013235259.2368.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> <380528CC.A3E0B68D@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <380528CC.A3E0B68D@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A4B72-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:50:20 -0400, you wrote: |>Methinks Daniel really needs a bigger machine. A nice used cheap 500 = would |>put a grin on his face. We can get close to 100 HP out of a 250cc PRO = race |> |>Bill I was just tossing around ideas for theory and trying to better my understanding of how things work. I'm still trying to figure out basicly what's in a tranny though, different plates that change the ratio? or actual gears? and how do they get selected oh wait, someone said shift forks? so there is a fork that shifts over to the next plate/gear? I am planning to get a bigger machine, this fall/winter. =20 Luckily since I already have a bike I dont' feel that need/urgency to hurry up and get a bike, and can shop around for the bargains. Right now I'd like to find an older ninja 600. I'll keep the 250 for around town rides, as a backup bike, and 250 fun rides. =20 Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 04:27:39 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA08366 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21772 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1999 08:27:10 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1999 08:27:10 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA13416; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:29:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:29:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199910140829.EAA13416@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:they're not just after motor-bikes ... On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:04:13 EDT JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >The occupants yelled >something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A little >upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the tunnel and saw >the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I said, as I rode >past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the direction of the car. They >yelled back, "Faggot!" Mistake. Even though the occupants were acting stupid, spitting at them was not a smart thing to do. >I had my >cell phone with me so I called 911. When they answered, I said that I >had been assaulted and that they should get the tag number that I read >over and over. Handily, the driver had conveniently brought his car up >towards me so that the driver could show his wife and his child in the >car seat the results of his efforts. The 911 dispatch kept asking me >where I was and telling me that we were breaking up. (snip) >Meanwhile, the Metropolitan Police department claims to have no record >of the first 911 call when I repeated the tag number of the car. I was >reading it to the dispatch and didn't try to memorize it. It's my understanding that all 911 calls are recorded. If the operator was talking to you,then it connected. Get the time the call was made from your cell company,then see if the police can't check this against the audit trail of calls received. There should be a recording of your call somewhere. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 06:04:46 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09758 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:04:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 1NXDa17057 (4253); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.2d898e66.25370478@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:03:36 EDT Subject: Re: transmission theory To: bhuson@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/13/99 9:34:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << May be a rumor, but I've been told that Units leak less. My guess is they're cheaper to build, which is why most cars are front wheel drive. They ain't better, just cheaper to build. And a bitch to work on. >> With the power of today's bikes, I doubt a separate transmission could be driven reliably with even the triplex chains or belts that drive separate transmissions. My Norton (with modified engine) makes about 60 RW HP and uses a triplex chain which requires occasional adjustment my ZX-9R makes 130 HP it would rip that triplex chain up. Friends who race Nortons have all kinds of primary drive problems with Nortons that make 70-80 HP. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 06:05:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09837 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21584 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA18272 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id hFDFa01794 (4253); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.c01ab469.253704f1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:05:37 EDT Subject: Re: helmet life To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/14/99 1:02:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << I seem to remember 5 years for some reason. >> 5 Years is the max to pass tech inspection for racing, but i doubt the helmet is a gonner after 5 years. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 06:40:24 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10689 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-143.patriot.net [209.249.180.143]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA17048; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:40:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3805B196.8E5EA8E6@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:33:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory References: <199910140425.AAA30587@musone.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or take the lid off the tranny and watch the action while a 2nd party goes thru the gears. Bill Have Offishull H-D manual - not immpressed. Gil Nissley wrote: > Easy,buy a Harley,then buy an offishul HD(TM) Shop Manual,and check in the transmission section. Cool illustrations of exactly what's happening when you shift into the various gears. > Or,just check out someone else's manual. > Seriously,it's hard to explain w/out visual aids. Put (overly)simply,when you shift gears,you route power through the gearbox by different paths that change the overall gearing. The best way to explain would be using the afforementioned HD manual. > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 06:54:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10908 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21706 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA18821 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-143.patriot.net [209.249.180.143]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA17654; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:54:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3805B4E6.D08A31EB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:48:07 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: helmet life References: <000201bf15ff$d7c021c0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe Snell does the rating thing every 5 years, ao why not wait until the `00 Snells are out. The liner will poop out long before the shell integrity is in question, assuming the helmet hasn;t been exposed to eccessive heat and solvent fumes. The 4 to 6 year rec is presumably to take advantage of new technology in helmet structure. Do the track racers here have any limit of uselife rules? The safeticrats that rule outboard racing have a 5 yr use limit on one's helmet. The date of manufacture is stamped on the chin strap. Our ballistic nylon $350+ life vests with flak protection must be returned to the manufacture for inspection/rebuild every three years. No factory inspection req for the Kevlar anti-cut suits - yet. Bill George Howell wrote: > What is the lifespan of a helmet that hasn't been dropped? I seem to > remember 5 years for some reason. I was looking at the label inside my lid > the other day, and noticed a June 1995 date in there. If this is the case, > I'd like to get a new helmet this winter, while someone is hopefully > discounting them. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 07:09:03 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11146 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-143.patriot.net [209.249.180.143]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA18302; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3805B84E.71CFAFE3@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:02:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory References: <19991013235259.2368.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> <380528CC.A3E0B68D@patriot.net> <3806a23d.516990950@eriss.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actual gears that slide on shafts to position themselves with another gear to produce a new ratio. The fork does the gear moving. Gil suggested peeking at the drawings in an H-D manual, but I'm sure most complete manuals have details of the transmission. You could come by my joint and I could pull the top tranny cover and you could watch the gears doing thier thang. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote > > I was just tossing around ideas for theory and trying to better my > understanding of how things work. > > I'm still trying to figure out basicly what's in a tranny though, > different plates that change the ratio? or actual gears? and how do > they get selected oh wait, someone said shift forks? so there is a > fork that shifts over to the next plate/gear? > > I am planning to get a bigger machine, this fall/winter. > Luckily since I already have a bike I dont' feel that need/urgency > to hurry up and get a bike, and can shop around for the bargains. > Right now I'd like to find an older ninja 600. I'll keep the 250 for > around town rides, as a backup bike, and 250 fun rides. > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 07:14:04 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11236 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-143.patriot.net [209.249.180.143]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA18548; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:13:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3805B979.105C246B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:07:37 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory References: <0.2d898e66.25370478@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > With the power of today's bikes, I doubt a separate transmission could be > driven reliably with even the triplex chains or belts that drive separate > transmissions. My Norton (with modified engine) makes about 60 RW HP and > uses a triplex chain which requires occasional adjustment my ZX-9R makes 130 > HP it would rip that triplex chain up. Friends who race Nortons have all > kinds of primary drive problems with Nortons that make 70-80 HP. > > Ciao, > > Fred That is most likely true. Somebody aftermarket makes a beefed up inner primary cover for my H-D to aid and abet hot rod jobs. Being an easy mill to crank up the heat on, it's not to hard to double the HP output of a Harley engine and somewhere along the way bad things happen. Cracking the inner primary is one of them. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 07:58:36 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11797 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA12531 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... In-Reply-To: <0.1221995b.2536be4d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > Yesterday I had surgery to repair my broken upper jaw. I now have two > titanium plates in my head (even more reason to want that Merlin!) and a > wired-shut jaw. Geez, this is nuts! When I used to race bicycles we'd ride in that area a lot (and out through potomac and gaithersburg). Violent intent by a driver usually meant a quick chase (you can't lose a group of bike racers in town) after which we'd surround the offender. While 10-20 lycra clad bike racers might not seem that intimidating I can't remember one case where the person in the car or truck was not apologetic... :) I hope it turns out well for Richard. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 08:36:05 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12329 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:41:55 -0700 Received: from ip46.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.46] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A45D0181B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:41:54 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:37:34 GMT Message-ID: <3816f899.16565454@eriss.com> References: <19991013235259.2368.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> <380528CC.A3E0B68D@patriot.net> <3806a23d.516990950@eriss.com> <3805B84E.71CFAFE3@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3805B84E.71CFAFE3@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A4BF3-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC I understand now thanks. btw where is your place? On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:02:38 -0400, you wrote: |>Actual gears that slide on shafts to position themselves with another = gear to |>produce a new ratio. The fork does the gear moving. Gil suggested = peeking at the |>drawings in an H-D manual, but I'm sure most complete manuals have = details of the |>transmission. You could come by my joint and I could pull the top = tranny cover |>and you could watch the gears doing thier thang. |> |>Bill |> |> |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote |> |>> |>> I was just tossing around ideas for theory and trying to better my |>> understanding of how things work. |>> |>> I'm still trying to figure out basicly what's in a tranny though, |>> different plates that change the ratio? or actual gears? and how do |>> they get selected oh wait, someone said shift forks? so there is a |>> fork that shifts over to the next plate/gear? |>> |>> I am planning to get a bigger machine, this fall/winter. |>> Luckily since I already have a bike I dont' feel that need/urgency |>> to hurry up and get a bike, and can shop around for the bargains. |>> Right now I'd like to find an older ninja 600. I'll keep the 250 for |>> around town rides, as a backup bike, and 250 fun rides. |>> |>> Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 08:36:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12339 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:36:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199910140836.AA90047140@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Tom Zell" >Now... as both a motorcyclist and a cager... what really defines an aggressive >driver. Does this mean that if I'm in the left hand lane on I-66 or I-95 doing >80 (OK... 80 is a little too fast but you know what I'm getting at) in my >Firebird or on my VFR that someone can turn me in for driving like an asshole? Yes. Though I doubt it would happen unless you had loud pipes and were making "strafing runs" on cars, on engaging in some other obnoxious behavior. I suspect that most everything people on this list would classify as "aggressive driving" would qualify in anyone's book as aggressive. I also suspect that we do some things that others would consider aggressive (protect lane position, filter through traffic). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 08:43:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12428 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:43:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199910140843.AA241304078@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." >Does anyone have any insight on a good low dollar 56K internert connection? >Erols now wants $191.00 for a one year plan ... In fact, I have seen >ads in the Washington Post Business section quoting rate of $4.95 a month. $16/month ($191/yr) is pretty good for 56K connectivity. I doubt you'll get much service at $4.95/mo. -- busy signals, no answer, less-than-56K, etc. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 08:56:49 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12543 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-143.patriot.net [209.249.180.143]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25613; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:56:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3805D18F.42CBDA6A@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:50:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: transmission theory References: <19991013235259.2368.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> <380528CC.A3E0B68D@patriot.net> <3806a23d.516990950@eriss.com> <3805B84E.71CFAFE3@patriot.net> <3816f899.16565454@eriss.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I understand now thanks. btw where is your place? > Annandale VA, a few blocks from Braddock & Backlick. I'm blowing town Fri AM but I'll be back next week. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:06:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12746 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:06:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199910140906.AA74908320@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: Subject: Red Light Runners [was: Lookout on GW Pkwy] X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Morris Berman wrote: >>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >>safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " >>-Ben Franklin Catchy quote. I wonder what Franklin would say to people driving 4,000 lb. wheeled vehicles into cross traffic (through red lights?) So what would you do about the problem of red light runners? Seriously, please. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:19:18 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12860 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11bkmo-0007FM-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:19:14 -0400 Received: from superj (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03472; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:19:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Tom Gimer" , Subject: RE: sprocket questions Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:27:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <19991014005653.18228.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> -- Tom Gimer wrote: Sprocket advice: don't buy aluminum unless you're ready to have to replace them regularly. Which reminds me. There i$ another rea$on to only change out the front $procket. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:27:56 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13037 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v6m (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16912 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005d01bf1647$d097c680$8f5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <000d01bf15df$ebc7e6a0$c980a4d8@rdt> <38052EAD.9E8A8D85@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:27:06 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 First off, this IS OFF THE TOPIC OF MOTORCYCLING!!! Of course no one is getting pissed about it becuase it doesn't involve something that i not politically correct. Secondly, why does "Erol's Blow Goats" seeing as I work for them, and I got a job here *because* I was so satisfied with the service... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Roy D. Turner, Esq. Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider > Methinks PatriotNet charges me 150 or 160+ for a one year deal. > Erols blow goats. > > Bill > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > > > Does anyone have any insight on a good low dollar 56K internert connection? > > Erols now wants $191.00 for a one year plan. While I am happy with the > > connection speed Erols provides, I am willing to switch providers if I can > > get the same sevice and performance at a lower cost. In fact, I have seen > > ads in the Washington Post Business section quoting rate of $4.95 a month. > > Any help would be appreciated. (I know this is off topic, but it sure beats > > the gun threads!!!) > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:36:36 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13192 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525680A.004AB302 ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:35:54 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525680A.004890AC.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:35:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Red Light Runners [was: Lookout on GW Pkwy] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>So what would you do about the problem of red light runners? Seriously, please.<< Something more than a slap on the wrist might help tremendously. Perhaps a very stiff fine for the first offense rather than the tiny amounts they currently impose. And for a second offense how about a night in jail. Then a week in jail for a third offense and so on and so on. I doubt many people would want to risk a minumum of 24 hours in jail just to get home 2 minutes faster. Big brother cameras that send you a ticket in the mail, impose a small fine, and put no points against your license is hardly any deterrent at all. It's nothing more than just another revenue generator. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:39:12 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13202 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:39:03 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA17167; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:38:55 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa09365; Thu, 14 Oct 99 09:30:47 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJL00J7VHP0N5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525680A.004A1C43 ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:29:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:27:31 -0400 Subject: Paging Kirt Senser... Kirt Senser please come to the white courtesy phone To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525680A.004A1715.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=cx1NlrywRqosgN2s5qv1nlqTzoAPIwipMQawpUKxmRu5Po29CbxgoWYU" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL --0__=cx1NlrywRqosgN2s5qv1nlqTzoAPIwipMQawpUKxmRu5Po29CbxgoWYU Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Kirt, The message I tried to send you with the gearing/sprocket ratio chart attached bounced back on me. The bounce message is repeated below. Chris Weaver To: Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Date: 10/14/99 01:35:05 AM GMT Subject: Returned mail: warning: cannot send message for 4 hours ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:49:10 -0400 from uucp@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (transient failure) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection refused by mx06.erols.com. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 2 days old ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA07564; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:49:10 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa26398; Wed, 13 Oct 99 16:00:57 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJK00LMD53903@XXXXXX> for ksenser@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256809.006DD392 ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:59:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:58:52 -0400 Subject: Re: transmission theory To: "Kirt S." Message-id: <85256809.006DD4E0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=TEtMtp89S1lm8So3Z9lwpvKww0Tg43xuDPiLrhqcenokRATbeGxzuZdW" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL content-length: 16599 (See attached file: vtrgears.xls) Kirt, Here it is. As I mentioned, you'll need to alter the gearing numbers. You might find be able to get this info from a shop manual or maybe on the net somewhere. Good luck racing next year! Chris VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. --0__=cx1NlrywRqosgN2s5qv1nlqTzoAPIwipMQawpUKxmRu5Po29CbxgoWYU-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:42:00 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13225 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v6m (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00111 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a201bf1649$c68c4b50$8f5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <199910140829.EAA13416@musone.chek.com> Subject: Re: Re:they're not just after motor-bikes ... Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:41:09 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Ahem, asp folding baton. Not for attack, but for defense. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gil Nissley To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 4:29 AM Subject: Re:they're not just after motor-bikes ... > On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:04:13 EDT JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >The occupants yelled > >something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A little > >upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the tunnel and saw > >the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I said, as I rode > >past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the direction of the car. They > >yelled back, "Faggot!" > > Mistake. Even though the occupants were acting stupid, spitting at them was not a smart thing to do. > > >I had my > >cell phone with me so I called 911. When they answered, I said that I > >had been assaulted and that they should get the tag number that I read > >over and over. Handily, the driver had conveniently brought his car up > >towards me so that the driver could show his wife and his child in the > >car seat the results of his efforts. The 911 dispatch kept asking me > >where I was and telling me that we were breaking up. > (snip) > >Meanwhile, the Metropolitan Police department claims to have no record > >of the first 911 call when I repeated the tag number of the car. I was > >reading it to the dispatch and didn't try to memorize it. > > It's my understanding that all 911 calls are recorded. If the operator was talking to you,then it connected. Get the time the call was made from your cell company,then see if the police can't check this against the audit trail of calls received. There should be a recording of your call somewhere. > > > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:43:34 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13301 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:43:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525680A.004B5023 ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:42:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525680A.004B4416.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:42:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Which Erols offices are you located in Kirt? Erols recently moved some of their offices to the building where I work in Merrifield. And I have noticed several new bikes in the parking garage since they moved in. Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:44:09 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13311 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA3251684; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3805DE08.10128F8D@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:43:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Fairfax County Turn-In-An-Aggressive-Driver References: <199910140836.AA90047140@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Tom Zell" > > >Now... as both a motorcyclist and a cager... what really defines an aggressive > >driver. Does this mean that if I'm in the left hand lane on I-66 or I-95 doing > >80 (OK... 80 is a little too fast but you know what I'm getting at) Not so fast (no pun intended), In rush hour on the beltway, I'm routinely passed by steady traffic while doing 80. Seems like traffic moves a little faster between 66 - Wilson Bridge (left lane, w/ no backups) than on the Md side. If memory serves me correctly, the last AAA survey indicated an average beltway speed of 78mph, & an avg. Wilson bridge speed of 26mph... no chance for any accident there... Fairfax has the driver turn in, & cameras going up, Md has the 'aggressive driver imaging', I think they're really gimmicks. Although, the Fairfax plan at least gets you some satisfaction. bottom line - it's just revenue for the state or reinforcement of revenue collection. If it were really a safety issue, 2 things would be true 1: the interstates would be littered with troopers, because NOTHING makes you obey the law like Johnny Law's presence & 2: there would be no such thing as a traffic fine, you'd get mandatory community service or jail time, period. Take the money out of the hands of the of the government & watch all the traffic enforcement evaporate... Unless it really was a safety issue... > in my > >Firebird or on my VFR that someone can turn me in for driving like an asshole? -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer Extraordinaire Soza & Company, Ltd. (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:49:15 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13364 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA3036108; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3805DF33.AD716258@radix.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:48:35 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, berman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Red Light Runners [was: Lookout on GW Pkwy] References: <199910140906.AA74908320@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > So what would you do about the problem of red light runners? Seriously, please. > > Chris Norloff Nothing, but nothing, deters red light runners, like cops on bikes & in cruisers waiting to pick them off. They have more than enough funding to make this happen at trouble intersections, just not all of them. FOP (often) prevents this type of thing because it would require them to WORK instead of their usual routines... OK, ok, seriously, some cops have said to me that they hate that type of work because they feel 'above' it. They'd rather catch speeders, because that's how they get promotions... If they've got funding to sit on the side of the road to nab some poor old 75 year old woman, somebody's grandmother & write her a speeding ticket for 8 miles over, they've got money for cops at intersections. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer Extraordinaire Soza & Company, Ltd. (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 09:57:33 1999 Return-Path: bee@XXXXXX Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (newmtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.180]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13545 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06415; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:25:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bee@XXXXXX) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: "Kirt S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider In-Reply-To: <005d01bf1647$d097c680$8f5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Kirt S. wrote: > First off, this IS OFF THE TOPIC OF MOTORCYCLING!!! Of course no one is > getting pissed about it becuase it doesn't involve something that i not > politically correct. Secondly, why does "Erol's Blow Goats" seeing as I > work for them, and I got a job here *because* I was so satisfied with the > service... > > Kirt Consider the possibility, too, that no-one has (yet) gotten pissed because there've only been maybe 6 or 8 msgs on the subject, and not days of rants we've all heard/seen before. Second, I had an Erol's account a year or so ago, at least one day out of every four I'd be unable to connect to a name server, thus rendering Web access close to impossible. Never knew whether the problems were traffic related or server related. OMC: Can anyone tell me if there are any major differences between the '94 and '95 R1100RS? RSL? Thanks, Brian > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Methinks PatriotNet charges me 150 or 160+ for a one year deal. > > Erols blow goats. > > > > Bill > > > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have any insight on a good low dollar 56K internert > connection? > > > Erols now wants $191.00 for a one year plan. While I am happy with the > > > connection speed Erols provides, I am willing to switch providers if I > can > > > get the same sevice and performance at a lower cost. In fact, I have > seen > > > ads in the Washington Post Business section quoting rate of $4.95 a > month. > > > Any help would be appreciated. (I know this is off topic, but it sure > beats > > > the gun threads!!!) > > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 11:35:15 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15063 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v6m (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAB02329 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ef01bf1659$99d7a450$8f5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <199910140040.3743400@zzapp.org> Subject: Re: more sprocket questions Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:34:26 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 ok...putting on a smaller sprocket on the rear will... 1.) Lengthen your gear ratio, resulting in you having to shift less often 2.) Lengthen your gear ratio, resulting in your bike accelerating slower 3.) Most likely make your bike feel "less powerful" 4.) Most likely screw your speedometer all up (unless the speedo sensor is on the wheel) 5.) If your top speed is limited by aerodynamic drag (and not your bike red-lining), it will probably lower your top speed....otherwise it might raise it a little bit. Do you have to shift into 6th at 35-40 out of necessity, or merely because that's a comfortable place to do it. If you are doing it because that's a comfortable place to shift...wait longer :-) Kirt 99 F4 "1st gear up to 45-50 on the F4" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 12:31:42 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15810 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18734 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991014122846.007f8100@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:28:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Re: more sprocket questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree with Kirt; wait longer... My VFR seems to lug a bit at 60 in 6th; so I prefer to ride in 5th gear unless I happen to be doing 65+. Of course, this is rare. ;^) Most times under 60 are spent in 3rd or 4th. Smooth shifting (no tranny klunks) the VFR seems to occur in the 6-7k rpm range; about the same range I get the nice gear whine. The only sound sprocket changes, in my mind, would be to make a bike accelerate faster for such "non-sense" as racing. ;^) Ciao, Bob 97 VFR w/Givi At 11:34 AM 10/14/99 -0400, Kirt S. wrote: >ok...putting on a smaller sprocket on the rear will... >1.) Lengthen your gear ratio, resulting in you having to shift less often >2.) Lengthen your gear ratio, resulting in your bike accelerating slower >3.) Most likely make your bike feel "less powerful" >4.) Most likely screw your speedometer all up (unless the speedo sensor is >on the wheel) >5.) If your top speed is limited by aerodynamic drag (and not your bike >red-lining), it will probably lower your top speed....otherwise it might >raise it a little bit. > >Do you have to shift into 6th at 35-40 out of necessity, or merely because >that's a comfortable place to do it. If you are doing it because that's a >comfortable place to shift...wait longer :-) > >Kirt >99 F4 >"1st gear up to 45-50 on the F4" > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 13:13:46 1999 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16470 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA3207098; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38060EBF.27753B12@boo.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:11:27 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Fawaz , "'Swifty'" , The dc-cycles list administrator , david griff Subject: Ride? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ride Saturday. Partly cloudy 70 +/- 5. When can we try to make bar risers for the ZX-11? John, What was the rating change in motor oil where they put in additives that might be bad for clutches? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 13:16:32 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16511 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:16:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525680A.005ED68A ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:15:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Kirt S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525680A.005ECEE9.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:15:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have a couple of V-max's that I ride regularly. I also have a Kawisaki Concours that is in need of some work before putting back on the road. Erols Merrifield location is on Prosperity Ave. fairly close to the Metro stop off of Gallows road. I've seen a Black Honda Magna 750, a banged up Honda Interceptor, and a couple of different sport bikes that I'm not sure of the make and model. >>Buisness Services Group moved over to the Merrifield location. I'm a senior tech over at the "dial-up" office in Springfielsd. I'm right off braddock road. What do you ride? What bikes are in the garage? I've yet to go to the new building, so I haven't seen any of the bikes. Where about is it located?<< From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 13:25:54 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16644 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v6m (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27074; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <027f01bf1669$09d144f0$8f5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Jay Goddard" , References: <38060EBF.27753B12@boo.net> Subject: Re: Ride? Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:24:57 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Huh? Is this an invitation for everyone? Kirt 99 F4 > Ride Saturday. Partly cloudy 70 +/- 5. > > When can we try to make bar risers for the ZX-11? > > John, > What was the rating change in motor oil where they put in additives that > might be bad for clutches? > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 14:08:20 1999 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17503 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA3432063; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38061BC6.97023479@boo.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:07:02 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride? References: <38060EBF.27753B12@boo.net> <027f01bf1669$09d144f0$8f5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DOH, I must have fat fingered in the address book. Sorry, Jay "Kirt S." wrote: > Huh? Is this an invitation for everyone? > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > Ride Saturday. Partly cloudy 70 +/- 5. > > > > When can we try to make bar risers for the ZX-11? > > > > John, > > What was the rating change in motor oil where they put in additives that > > might be bad for clutches? > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 15:22:27 1999 Return-Path: cambion@XXXXXX Received: from mux.net (mux.net [207.96.40.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18791 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cambion@localhost) by mux.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14635; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:24:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cambion@XXXXXX) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:24:23 -0400 (EDT) From: cambion To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX cc: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider In-Reply-To: <8525680A.005ECEE9.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is probably an older model black Ninja, owned by Phil and .. hmm.. a guy named Noah rides an older cruiser that I honestly can't remember the model... A number of other guys in "Dev" and "NOC" used to ride to work, but I can't recall who rode what. Cambion An Erol's Escapee On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: > I have a couple of V-max's that I ride regularly. I also have a Kawisaki > Concours that is in need of some work before putting back on the road. > Erols Merrifield location is on Prosperity Ave. fairly close to the Metro > stop off of Gallows road. > > I've seen a Black Honda Magna 750, a banged up Honda Interceptor, and a > couple of different sport bikes that I'm not sure of the make and model. > > >>Buisness Services Group moved over to the Merrifield location. I'm a > senior > tech over at the "dial-up" office in Springfielsd. I'm right off braddock > road. What do you ride? What bikes are in the garage? I've yet to go to > the new building, so I haven't seen any of the bikes. Where about is it > located?<< > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 15:55:52 1999 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19273 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash24.acs.org by amerchem.acs.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA05415; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:55:20 -0400 Received: from wash58.acs.org (wash58.acs.org [134.243.200.8]) by wash24.acs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16184 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wash58.acs.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:53:03 -0400 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE962EBF3D@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HSTA Ride Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:53:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BF167D.B98A0DBE" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF167D.B98A0DBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is 200 Mile ride out of Annapolis being sponsored by a local chapter of the HSTA if anyone is interested. For Directions, email me off line Jason I. Picton Senior Systems Engineer American Chemical Society 1155 16th Street Washington DC 20036 j_picton@XXXXXX ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF167D.B98A0DBE Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Jason Picton.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jason Picton.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Picton;Jason FN:Jason Picton ORG:;IT EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jip98@XXXXXX REV:19990611T195532Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF167D.B98A0DBE-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 18:01:49 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21403 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Loud Horns Save Lives Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:00:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain ?? wrote: Hechingers (sp?), as everyone probably knows, is going out of business with a big damn sale. The one in Reston had quite a selection of horns. Fiam hi/lo, etc. Not the fancy ones with the chrome grills, but definitely better than the typically anemic bike horns." Wonder if it's original stock? I don't recall Hechingers selling auto equip. Often brokers pull in stuff from elsewhere to unload during a going out of business sale. Pep boys sell air horns (Stebels) for $25-30 Electric Fiamms ~$12-25 Carl in Bethesda "People that claim they go fast to save time are just math morons. I go fast because I like going fast." DR From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 18:15:11 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21682 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:15:09 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2NWKa12223 (3935); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.d24cf925.2537afc7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:14:31 EDT Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 In a message dated 10/14/1999 1:14:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << Meanwhile, the Metropolitan Police department claims to have no record of the first 911 call when I repeated the tag number of the car. I was reading it to the dispatch and didn't try to memorize it. I'll keep you informed if anything more is learned, but it looks like there's one dangerous guy still out there. Richard Gould Chevy Chase, MD >> That sucks! I'd call your cell phone company and have them print out the record of your call to 911. It can't tell you what the call was about but, it can prove that you called. Then I'd make sure to turn it into your insurance and let them go after the police department to pay. After all, if you can prove you called, it's their fault. Hope you feel better. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 19:30:59 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22843 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (216-164-134-174.s428.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.134.174]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12465; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012101bf169c$58dab260$ae86a4d8@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "cambion" , Cc: "Kirt S." , References: Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:32:12 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Looks like my non-related post ended up being related!! Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: cambion To: Cc: Kirt S. ; Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider > There is probably an older model black Ninja, owned by Phil and .. hmm.. a > guy named Noah rides an older cruiser that I honestly can't remember the > model... A number of other guys in "Dev" and "NOC" used to ride to work, > but I can't recall who rode what. > > Cambion > An Erol's Escapee > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I have a couple of V-max's that I ride regularly. I also have a Kawisaki > > Concours that is in need of some work before putting back on the road. > > Erols Merrifield location is on Prosperity Ave. fairly close to the Metro > > stop off of Gallows road. > > > > I've seen a Black Honda Magna 750, a banged up Honda Interceptor, and a > > couple of different sport bikes that I'm not sure of the make and model. > > > > >>Buisness Services Group moved over to the Merrifield location. I'm a > > senior > > tech over at the "dial-up" office in Springfielsd. I'm right off braddock > > road. What do you ride? What bikes are in the garage? I've yet to go to > > the new building, so I haven't seen any of the bikes. Where about is it > > located?<< > > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 > --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion > --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company > > - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 21:29:50 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24495 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA20669; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: Garcia Oliver cc: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I never will understand why people bitch about analog connections. Do you really understand what you're doing?? Get a dedicated, digital, connection. xDSL, FR, DS1, or even ISDN. On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Garcia Oliver wrote: > NetZero is free if you can get it to work and can put up with ads. > Download it and see. > > My $5/mo el cheapo isp (netkonnect) is not as good as the $20/mo flavor: > during busy times (late afternoon to 10 pm or so), there are significantly > more dropped connections and logon failures. Otherwise it's ok. > > --garcia > > On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > > > Does anyone have any insight on a good low dollar 56K internert connection? > > Erols now wants $191.00 for a one year plan. While I am happy with the > > connection speed Erols provides, I am willing to switch providers if I can > > get the same sevice and performance at a lower cost. In fact, I have seen > > ads in the Washington Post Business section quoting rate of $4.95 a month. > > Any help would be appreciated. (I know this is off topic, but it sure beats > > the gun threads!!!) > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 21:35:37 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24646 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id VAA20751; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... In-Reply-To: <0.1221995b.2536be4d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > On Monday, I was bicycling south on Rock creek Parkway. While I > normally take the bike path through the zoo to go around the tunnel, > that route now closes at 6:00 pm. I was riding at approx. 20 mph when > midway between the zoo entrance and the tunnel entrance a blue 4-door > sedan passed me dangerously close at a high speed. The occupants > yelled something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A > little upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the > tunnel and saw the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I > said, as I rode past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the > direction of the car. They yelled back, "Faggot!" Not to be a dick or anything, but that's where you screwed up. What purpose did it serve to yell at them?? I guess it's all about maturity level, both yours, and theirs. Anyhow, sorry to hear that you were injured. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 22:39:05 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25755 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FJM00EBKI07AL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:38:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA31210; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:37:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.132]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19991015023829.HQCW2840@[166.44.172.132]>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:38:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:35:24 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... In-reply-to: To: Ken Woods , JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001601bf16b5$ef0e59d0$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Ken seems to be saying that Marcy's friend brought this onto himself. Horse-shit! How many times have you (general) felt like letting someone know that their driving was not just a mere nuisance, but outright life-threatening? Ok, we all (should) know that a situation can get out of hand. But JeezUS. The cager actually went out of his way to do damage! I for one would go out of my way to kick this perps ass into his head if anybody here runs into this sort of horse-shit. Vigilantism? Well, the state HATEs that sort of attitude but the state is woefully un-equipped to met out complete justice. Don't get me? Forget about it. That sob is probably still out there making the road his and his alone. If anything, I feel sorry for the wife and kid(s). Marcy, you tell your friend I said he did the right thing. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 9:36 PM > To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > > On Monday, I was bicycling south on Rock creek Parkway. While I > > normally take the bike path through the zoo to go around the tunnel, > > that route now closes at 6:00 pm. I was riding at approx. 20 mph when > > midway between the zoo entrance and the tunnel entrance a blue 4-door > > sedan passed me dangerously close at a high speed. The occupants > > yelled something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A > > little upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the > > tunnel and saw the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I > > said, as I rode past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the > > direction of the car. They yelled back, "Faggot!" > > Not to be a dick or anything, but that's where you screwed up. > What purpose did it serve to yell at them?? I guess it's all about > maturity level, both yours, and theirs. Anyhow, sorry to hear that you > were injured. > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 22:38:59 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25753 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FJM00E8MHZYSY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:38:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA23339 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:33:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.132]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19991015023821.HQCJ2840@[166.44.172.132]> for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:38:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:35:17 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: BC800 programming..... To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <001101bf16b5$eace6630$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Hey everyone, I have an immediate problem here. I use a Sigma Sport BC800 to track a true speed and mileage while riding. I'm riding in the Cap1k this Saturday. My problem is that the battery just gave our this evening and I don't recall how to program this bad boy. If anyone can help me on this, I'd be mucho in your debt. W/o the BC800 I don't know what my acceleration speed is, a very important factor in this sort of competition. Todd http://free.prohosting.com/~fiteboss/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 22:44:16 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25862 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-134-242.s496.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.134.242]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23462 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:43:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991014223658.00b68490@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:43:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Almost Hit! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This was very weird. I'm sitting at an intersection in Tysons, waiting behind two cars to get on Old Courthouse Road. A older lady stops about four feet behind me (I watched her stop in the mirrors). I sit there, waiting for the cars ahead of me to move....thinking about nothing....then I check my mirrors again (about 10 seconds later). THE WOMAN IS 1/8" BEHIND MY REAR TIRE! If I were to lean right or left, my fender would be tapping her bumper! I turn all the way around and give her the universal "What the Hell are you doing?" look (arms spread wide, hands waving, head shaking.) She give me her best Aunt Bee "Oooooh" look in return, and throws the car into reverse for a couple of feet. I went on my way without confronting her. She defied logic and reason, so conversation would be pointless. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 23:23:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26662 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FJM00GCPK26AF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:22:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id DAA30691 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:18:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.229]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991015032253.LVFK624@toddnt> for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:22:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:19:48 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Almost Hit! In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19991014223658.00b68490@mail.troutman.org> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001901bf16bc$22da5560$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Well pointless or not, here's my story. When I used to commute into DC (10 yrs total), I used to ride up 18th nw and go left on Penn Ave. I was riding my (now sold) VT500c Shadow at the time. Anyway, I'm sitting in traffic and this dumbass in a MommyVan gives me a real bump! Whatthefu...! I look over my left shoulder and swing my left fist into the hood. Her reaction: shrugged shoulders and mouthing, "sorry". Sheeeit! What are people thinking about out there? Glad 'almost' wasn't 'Oh-NO!'. See ya round dude, Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 10:44 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Almost Hit! > > > This was very weird. > > I'm sitting at an intersection in Tysons, waiting behind two cars > to get on > Old Courthouse Road. A older lady stops about four feet behind me (I > watched her stop in the mirrors). I sit there, waiting for the > cars ahead > of me to move....thinking about nothing....then I check my mirrors again > (about 10 seconds later). > > THE WOMAN IS 1/8" BEHIND MY REAR TIRE! > > If I were to lean right or left, my fender would be tapping her bumper! > > I turn all the way around and give her the universal "What the > Hell are you > doing?" look (arms spread wide, hands waving, head shaking.) > > She give me her best Aunt Bee "Oooooh" look in return, and throws the car > into reverse for a couple of feet. > > I went on my way without confronting her. She defied logic and > reason, so > conversation would be pointless. > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 23:36:32 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26855 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FJM00FBPKNYKH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:35:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id DAA00126 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:31:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.179]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991015033554.SXES9275@toddnt> for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:35:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:32:50 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <001a01bf16bd$f4bfbe20$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Metallica Fans check out VH1 now. Love this band, Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 14 23:58:52 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27112 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FJM00L2GIQH68@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:54:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA01475 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:52:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.186.78]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991015025415.LSZE624@toddnt> for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:54:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:51:11 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: BC800 programming..... In-reply-to: <001101bf16b5$eace6630$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <001801bf16b8$233b8500$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Um...That's the Feast in the East run, not the Cap1k. I still need your help. Thanks, Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 10:35 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: BC800 programming..... > > > Hey everyone, > > I have an immediate problem here. I use a Sigma Sport BC800 to > track a true > speed and mileage while riding. I'm riding in the Cap1k this > Saturday. My > problem is that the battery just gave our this evening and I don't recall > how to program this bad boy. > > If anyone can help me on this, I'd be mucho in your debt. W/o the BC800 I > don't know what my acceleration speed is, a very important factor in this > sort of competition. > > Todd > http://free.prohosting.com/~fiteboss/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 01:36:06 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA28388 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30862 invoked from network); 15 Oct 1999 05:35:43 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 05:35:43 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA14816; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:38:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:38:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199910150538.BAA14816@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:35:24 -0400 Todd Peer wrote: >Ken seems to be saying that Marcy's friend brought this onto himself. >Horse-shit! How many times have you (general) felt like letting someone >know that their driving was not just a mere nuisance, but outright >life-threatening? Ken seems to be saying the same thing I did. That Marcy's friend didn't help the situation either. >Ok, we all (should) know that a situation can get out of hand. Agreed.When you live in a large metropolitan area like this,you should develop at least the basic survival skill of knowing your limitations. A bicycle vs car is not a fair match-up. And in this area,he's lucky the cager hit him with something instead of using a gun.Spitting at the driver did nothing but enrage him. >But JeezUS. >The cager actually went out of his way to do damage! When he saw the cager running toward him,it probably would've been a better idea to turn around and take off in the opposite direction. I doubt he could've caught a bike on foot. I'm not totally blaming the incident on Marcy's friend,but had he not said anything and spit,he would've saved himself alot of pain and trouble. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 06:09:12 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA03241 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA3603309 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3806FD2B.DA9800EB@radix.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:08:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Almost Hit! References: <4.2.0.58.19991014223658.00b68490@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike T wrote: > This was very weird. Not really, senior citizens account for more traffic accidents than any other 2 demographics of drivers. Don't tell the AARP I said that, they'll send all the members to the stores when I go, getting in front of me & very slowly, writing out of state checks for their goceries etc... She probably just wasn't holding the brake enough. Proof positive that we need tighter driving regulations. We'll probably get them too, just in time for me the be the 1st one subject to them, after all the baby boomers are dead and gone :-( > I turn all the way around and give her the universal "What the Hell are you > doing?" look (arms spread wide, hands waving, head shaking.) Ah yes, the universally understood, double arm signal, WTF?! Better to give this while moving... > She give me her best Aunt Bee "Oooooh" look in return, and throws the car > into reverse for a couple of feet. Probably with complete disregard & without looking behind her... > I went on my way without confronting her. She defied logic and reason, so > conversation would be pointless. your time is better spent elsewhere... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer Extraordinaire Soza & Company, Ltd. (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 07:07:46 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04055 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4QYKZDM9>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CC06@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Ken Woods'" , Garcia Oliver Cc: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:07:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Yeah I'm sure that almost none of us on the list can even afford a DS1. Check the cable modem connection too. I heard people saying (hear at work) that they get the same performance at home that they do in the office and we has a DS3 here! Glenn >I never will understand why people bitch about analog connections. >Do you really understand what you're doing?? >Get a dedicated, digital, connection. xDSL, FR, DS1, or even ISDN. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 07:32:24 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04402 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:32:21 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:38:16 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A45F2281B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:38:14 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:34:08 GMT Message-ID: <38072cfa.95522689@eriss.com> References: <001601bf16b5$ef0e59d0$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> In-Reply-To: <001601bf16b5$ef0e59d0$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A4E80-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC I personally didn't think much needed to be said. I don't think the guy needed to be told what he did wrong. I'm pretty sure his pain has given him regrets, so I didnt' see the need to chastise him. I personally hate people who initiate violence like that, clearly to=20 go out of their way to do major harm someone (and in a vunerable position). (as opposed to striking first in a fight, to prevent being the victim, that's totally different). I have a huge amount of dislike for violent people, and well I won't say what I'd like to do to them... but If I would have saw that blue car speed off and crash, I would conviently forget I had a cell phone and let him rott (assuming the woman and child were okay). He said he spit in the direction of the car. He didn't say where the spit landed. forbid it to have landed on the guy's wife or child, I can imagine that would royally piss someone off. I'm not saying that's an excuse to do what he did, but I can understand how that would enrage. Too bad the guy in the blue car didn't just aprehend the biker and have the cops take both of them to court. Maybe a judge would have gave them both a penalty to teach them a lesson. As it stands now, the biker did some wrong things and is regretting it. I hope he gets well soon! As the road rager, he did some wrong things, and if his wife or child got spit on, especially their face, he's got some disgust to live with, and if no one got spit on, maybe his karma will get him, although either way, I hope the police get him. =20 Either way, despite the ugly facts, I for one appreciate the biker posting his story. His experience and willing to share surely is an experience I will learn from. I know it's actually pretty easy to get enraged at a motorist considering how dangerous they are to us... hopefully the next time I get angry, I can remember this story and tell myself not to do anything which would cause some road rage. I personally recommend against doing anything psychopathic and harmful, bikers don't need bad karma. I don't recommend any type of projectiles towards any car that is on the road... whether it be spit, ball bearings, or nickels. Not only could you later have your items do damage to someone else, but also you represent bikers in the worst light, and put yourself immediately at risk with a very angry person. I think we've all been angry at another driver, but I think I've learned a lesson from this person's post, find a positive way to deal with it. 1. If you're still safe, just let it go! =20 2. find where they live and mail a polite letter addressing your concerns. =20 3. wait until the person is parked and you can park, and politely approach the person, expressing your not angry and dont' have any problems with them personaly, and address whatever issue.=20 4. contact the local authorities if you think they can do something, maybe if you have witnesses and swear testimony, insist you want to file charges or something. Try to always get a tag # and vehicle description, that info might be needed later, who knows, up the street that vehicle may just hit someone. Daniel - okay flamers, rip me a new one! hehe P.S. If the biker can post any other descriptive info on the car, driver, occupant, tag, details, that would be appreciated, we can look out for him, both for reporting his location to the cops, and for our own safety. On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:35:24 -0400, you wrote: |>Ken seems to be saying that Marcy's friend brought this onto himself. |>Horse-shit! How many times have you (general) felt like letting = someone |>know that their driving was not just a mere nuisance, but outright |>life-threatening? |> |>Ok, we all (should) know that a situation can get out of hand. But = JeezUS. |>The cager actually went out of his way to do damage! |> |>I for one would go out of my way to kick this perps ass into his head = if |>anybody here runs into this sort of horse-shit. Vigilantism? Well, = the |>state HATEs that sort of attitude but the state is woefully un-equipped= to |>met out complete justice. Don't get me? Forget about it. That sob is |>probably still out there making the road his and his alone. If = anything, I |>feel sorry for the wife and kid(s). |> |>Marcy, you tell your friend I said he did the right thing. |> |>Todd |> |>> -----Original Message----- |>> From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] |>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 9:36 PM |>> To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX |>> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>> Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... |>> |>> |>> On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: |>> |>> > On Monday, I was bicycling south on Rock creek Parkway. While I |>> > normally take the bike path through the zoo to go around the = tunnel, |>> > that route now closes at 6:00 pm. I was riding at approx. 20 mph = when |>> > midway between the zoo entrance and the tunnel entrance a blue = 4-door |>> > sedan passed me dangerously close at a high speed. The occupants |>> > yelled something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A |>> > little upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the |>> > tunnel and saw the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I |>> > said, as I rode past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the |>> > direction of the car. They yelled back, "Faggot!" |>> |>> Not to be a dick or anything, but that's where you screwed up. |>> What purpose did it serve to yell at them?? I guess it's all about |>> maturity level, both yours, and theirs. Anyhow, sorry to hear that = you |>> were injured. |>> |>> |>> From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 07:54:16 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05019 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA05461 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:54:07 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991015074209.006ec490@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:42:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... In-Reply-To: <001601bf16b5$ef0e59d0$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:35 PM 10/14/99 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >Ken seems to be saying that Marcy's friend brought this onto himself. >Horse-shit! How many times have you (general) felt like letting someone >know that their driving was not just a mere nuisance, but outright >life-threatening? He did, to some extent, bring it on himself. Certainly the cager was totally and completely in the wrong, in all his actions. But when you're as unprotected as you are on a bicycle or motorcycle, why add to the risks by taking actions like this. As my mom used to say, "You're just asking for trouble." ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 07:54:16 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05020 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA05470 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:54:08 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991015074500.006dc6b4@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:45:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CC06@dadc040.hqda.pent agon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:07 AM 10/15/99 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: >Yeah I'm sure that almost none of us on the list can even afford a DS1. >Check the cable modem connection too. I heard people saying (hear at work) >that they get the same performance at home that they do in the office and we >has a DS3 here! > >Glenn I get *better* performance from my cable modem than from the high speed line at work. And installation was a hell of a lot cheaper than I've seen from any of the xDSL suppliers. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 08:04:26 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05365 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id IAA0000003874; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:05:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 204.6.58.2 There's a big difference between "brought it on himself" and "made a bad decision." *Nothing* excuses the attacker's behavior. period. But I think it's worth asking, before you yell at someone, "What am I going to get out of this?" A moment of satisfaction, probably. But there are a lot of psychos out there, unfortunately, and if you're going to start yelling at people, the reality is you may yell at the wrong one, who will then try to throw something at you/run you over/shoot you/etc. Personally, I don't think it's worth it, and I don't think I'm "blaming the victim" by saying that. I'm sorry he was hurt, I'm glad it wasn't worse, and I hope he's better and out enjoying Rock Creek Park soon. Todd Peer wrote: > Ken seems to be saying that Marcy's friend brought this onto himself. Horse-shit! How many times have you (general) felt like letting someone know that their driving was not just a mere nuisance, but outright life-threatening? Ok, we all (should) know that a situation can get out of hand. But JeezUS. The cager actually went out of his way to do damage! I for one would go out of my way to kick this perps ass into his head if anybody here runs into this sort of horse-shit. Vigilantism? Well, the state HATEs that sort of attitude but the state is woefully un-equipped to met out complete justice. Don't get me? Forget about it. That sob is probably still out there making the road his and his alone. If anything, I feel sorry for the wife and kid(s). Marcy, you tell your friend I said he did the right thing. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 9:36 PM > To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > > On Monday, I was bicycling south on Rock creek Parkway. While I > > normally take the bike path through the zoo to go around the tunnel, > > that route now closes at 6:00 pm. I was riding at approx. 20 mph when > > midway between the zoo entrance and the tunnel entrance a blue 4-door > > sedan passed me dangerously close at a high speed. The occupants > > yelled something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A > > little upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the > > tunnel and saw the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I > > said, as I rode past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the > > direction of the car. They yelled back, "Faggot!" > > Not to be a dick or anything, but that's where you screwed up. > What purpose did it serve to yell at them?? I guess it's all about > maturity level, both yours, and theirs. Anyhow, sorry to hear that you > were injured. > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 08:08:41 1999 Return-Path: jimcald@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05506 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA21054 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:07:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vna-va17-18.ix.netcom.com(207.223.179.210) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021023; Fri Oct 15 07:07:22 1999 Message-ID: <3807192C.35E5632B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:08:12 -0400 From: Jim Caldwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Life References: <199910142300.TAA22410@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For what it's worth, the Japanese language instructions for my Shoei RF-800 strongly suggested replacement every three years, because the liner materials may begin to deteriorate. Nothing was mentioned about this in the English language instructions. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 08:27:20 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05854 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA13863 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991015082426.00801510@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:24:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some replies mentioned personal injury to the biker, did I miss something? As both a motorcyclist and avid bicycle commuter/racer, I too have had many close calls and then just threats. Close calls are often not intentional and are drivers passing too close while going too fast (must be either talking on the cell or trying to defog their windshield!). Whereas threats may be intentional yelling or passing at high speed too closely. You can usually tell the difference by the driver's expressions. I hear from only the teenage or "red-neck" offenders; the "professional-types" are usually silent. In either case, try to get the license and car description and hopefully a witness. There have been several intentional accidents involving cyclists nationwide and the law is slowly waking up. Lance Armstrong was run off the road by a truck 1 or 2 years ago: the driver was sentenced to community service. The senseless death of world-class triathlete Judy Flannery in Montgomery county 2 yrs ago: the offenders, father and son, got off too lightly.... I ride at all times totally respectful, aware of my actions and of those around me. Saying a prayer every now and then can't hurt either... Those close-calls do provide one good thing: an appreciation for life. Something more people need around here. Regards, Bob Motorized: 97 VFR w/ Givi Or not: 99 Bianchi XL, 96 Klein Quantum II, 97 Santana Sovereign (tandem) >|>> -----Original Message----- >|>> From: Ken Woods [mailto:kwoods@XXXXXX] >|>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 9:36 PM >|>> To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX >|>> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >|>> Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... >|>> >|>> >|>> On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >|>> >|>> > On Monday, I was bicycling south on Rock creek Parkway. While I >|>> > normally take the bike path through the zoo to go around the tunnel, >|>> > that route now closes at 6:00 pm. I was riding at approx. 20 mph when >|>> > midway between the zoo entrance and the tunnel entrance a blue 4-door >|>> > sedan passed me dangerously close at a high speed. The occupants >|>> > yelled something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A >|>> > little upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the >|>> > tunnel and saw the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I >|>> > said, as I rode past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the >|>> > direction of the car. They yelled back, "Faggot!" >|>> >|>> Not to be a dick or anything, but that's where you screwed up. >|>> What purpose did it serve to yell at them?? I guess it's all about >|>> maturity level, both yours, and theirs. Anyhow, sorry to hear that you >|>> were injured. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 08:32:47 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05911 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:32:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199910150832.AA1114309260@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer >Marcy, you tell your friend I said he did the right thing. That must be why he now has metal plates in his skull. Sure glad he didn't do the "wrong" thing. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 09:48:00 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06870 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA08610 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01bf1714$4d6df5e0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: <3.0.32.19991015082426.00801510@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:50:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I wish I could keep my mouth shut here but more than a few times I've seen bicyclists in the District go out of their way to make life for commuters really difficult. Sure I do not mind sharing the road at all but I do mind some jerk riding in the middle of the lane going maybe 20mph while the traffic should be moving at 35-40mph. And it always happens during rush hour. There is a sidewalk that is much more manueverable on. This, however, does not apply to the Rock Creek Parkway as it's designed to as a bicycle throughfare as well as for cars. It's too bad that the rider in this situation got hurt. I hope that he's OK. Tom <----- Stepping into his Nomex '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Rapp To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 8:24 AM Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... > I ride at all times totally respectful, aware of my actions and of those > around me. Saying a prayer every now and then can't hurt either... Those > close-calls do provide one good thing: an appreciation for life. Something > more people need around here. > > Regards, > > Bob > > Motorized: 97 VFR w/ Givi > Or not: 99 Bianchi XL, 96 Klein Quantum II, 97 Santana Sovereign (tandem) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 10:47:43 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07779 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA26333 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991015104445.007fd9e0@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:44:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Without knowing the full situation, I agree the bicyclist shouldn't have been in the middle of the road. BUT: there are 3 reasons why I'd ride a bicycle in the middle of the road: 1) I've signaled and intend to turn left (even then, usually riding the yellow centerline); 2) an obstacle on the right forces me into the road (always try to check behind and signal first); or 3) traffic is of the same speed as I. My average bicycle speeds are around 20 -25mph; speeds which are more hazardous on sidewalks than in the street. I feel sidewalks are for pedestrians, kids, dogs, joggers, bladers, etc. Another thing all drivers should bear in mind; a bicyclist has various obstacles which are unseen to a driver (glass, loss of pavement, road debris, pedestrians, alive or deceased animals, etc) on the roadside. And stop lights, well; they don't usually register a bicycles presence... I recently timed my bicycle commute route (21.75miles) using the VFR's Sigma BC600. It took me 35.5 minutes by motorcycle whereas 60 min by bicycle. There are days, usually when leaving late, that riding a bicycle is much faster than riding the motorcycle due to traffic. A bicyclist can usually continue to ride a shoulder while cars are stopped. And then there is the occasional gridlocked intersection. Either way I decide to ride; most days I find cars slow me down. To put the above comments in perspective, I commute from Montgomery Cty to Greenbelt (don't go inside the Beltway). Most posted limits are 50 or under; and on some roads, I'm able to ride the posted 25 or 30mph. Regards, Bob Motorized: 97 VFR w/ Givi >> Or not: 99 Bianchi XL, 96 Klein Quantum II, 97 Santana Sovereign (tandem) >> At 09:50 AM 10/15/99 -0400, Thomas and Jeannette wrote: >I wish I could keep my mouth shut here but more than a few times I've seen >bicyclists in the District go out of their way to make life for commuters >really difficult. Sure I do not mind sharing the road at all but I do mind >some jerk riding in the middle of the lane going maybe 20mph while the >traffic should be moving at 35-40mph. And it always happens during rush >hour. There is a sidewalk that is much more manueverable on. > >This, however, does not apply to the Rock Creek Parkway as it's designed to >as a bicycle throughfare as well as for cars. It's too bad that the rider >in this situation got hurt. I hope that he's OK. > >Tom <----- Stepping into his Nomex >'86 VFR750 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Robert Rapp >To: >Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 8:24 AM >Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... > > > >> I ride at all times totally respectful, aware of my actions and of those >> around me. Saying a prayer every now and then can't hurt either... Those >> close-calls do provide one good thing: an appreciation for life. >Something >> more people need around here. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob >> >> Motorized: 97 VFR w/ Givi >> Or not: 99 Bianchi XL, 96 Klein Quantum II, 97 Santana Sovereign (tandem) >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 10:57:31 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from mail.uunt.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07969 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by mail.uunt.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07320 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910151454.KAA07320@mail.uunt.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Really ride all year? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:57:10 -0400 From: Mark How many of you ride all year? Currently, I don't have a car. I'd rather not get a car. Too many wheels. This was not a problem in NYC (or Ankara), but I'm not sure about No. VA. However, I've got a ~25 mile commute from Manassas (off Davis Ford Rd.) to Reston. I'm not asking you to predict the weather, but what has it been like during previous winters? How are Prince George and Fairfax counties about clearing snow? ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:10:35 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08130 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:09:47 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:08:18 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:14:12 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Bit in the Ass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always said that the minute you think you've got riding licked is the minute that riding is going to bite you in the ass. Well, this morning was just such an incident for me. I left the house in a glum mood about the Red Sox latest loss, and about the hazing I knew I would get form the office Yankee fans. In retrospect, I believe I was not paying enough attention to many things, including the temperature and pavement condition as I pushed the bike out of the garage. I was making my way through the sub-division like I usually do. Pulled up to a stop sign, looked both ways, turned left, got into the turn, gave it the gas, and promptly had the back end come around, depositing me and the bike unceremoniously in the middle of the road. I've been riding and roadracing bikes for many years. I've taken the the MSF course and several racing schools. I know that I should concentrate and always be aware of the conditions around me, but this morning I simply failed to do what I know I should. This morning I relearned the lesson that cold (possibly wet) pavement, cold tires, and inattention are a recipe for expensive disaster. I'm posting this here in the hope that it may help someone avoid my stupid mistake. Ride safe, everyone. -- Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:14:40 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08216 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:14:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525680B.0053AC7B ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:13:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525680B.0052BB85.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:13:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Really ride all year? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've been doing it for 10 years here in Northern VA. And on the average I would say that I only need to leave the bike parked at home about 6 to 10 days due to ice and snow during the winter. But my commute is near or inside the beltway. Seeing how you are out beyond the beltway, snow removal might not be as good in the more rural areas. Steve Beck >>However, I've got a ~25 mile commute from Manassas (off Davis Ford Rd.) to Reston. I'm not asking you to predict the weather, but what has it been like during previous winters? How are Prince George and Fairfax counties about clearing snow?<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:19:18 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08257 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29087 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:18:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991015111541.014a79c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:18:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Really ride all year? In-Reply-To: <199910151454.KAA07320@mail.uunt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:57 AM 10/15/99 , Mark wrote: >How many of you ride all year? Currently, I don't have a car. I'd rather not >get a car. Too many wheels. This was not a problem in NYC (or Ankara), but >I'm >not sure about No. VA. > >However, I've got a ~25 mile commute from Manassas (off Davis Ford Rd.) to >Reston. I'm not asking you to predict the weather, but what has it been like >during previous winters? How are Prince George and Fairfax counties about >clearing snow? I ride Centreville to Manassas, and rode almost all winter last year. My bike was naked, and without a good riding suit, I couldn't stand the cold. We had almost NO snow last year, and I expect the same this winter. We usually get one big dump of snow and a bunch of little tiny storms. Schools and business shut down at the mere threat of snow. You should have no problem riding all but a few days of the year, given good gear. I'll ride in the cold now (like this morning...brrrr) but I still don't like the rain. Mainly because the average cager is an idiot, and rain seems to dumb them down a shade. Cheers. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:20:00 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08267 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525680B.00545CDE ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:21:27 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525680B.00545AC3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:15:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Really ride all year? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I think the year before last I didn't ride in 2 days. That's it. I rode to work from Arlington to DC, so it wasn't much of a ride, but when it was cold I just used my electrics. In my humble opinion, VA/DC/MD just doesn't really get that many snow days. It's almost possible to ride every single day, as long as you have warm enough gear. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Mark on 10/15/99 10:57:10 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Really ride all year? How many of you ride all year? Currently, I don't have a car. I'd rather not get a car. Too many wheels. This was not a problem in NYC (or Ankara), but I'm not sure about No. VA. However, I've got a ~25 mile commute from Manassas (off Davis Ford Rd.) to Reston. I'm not asking you to predict the weather, but what has it been like during previous winters? How are Prince George and Fairfax counties about clearing snow? ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:21:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08356 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:21:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199910151121.AA324338190@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Really ride all year? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:57:10 -0400 >How many of you ride all year... >However, I've got a ~25 mile commute from Manassas (off Davis Ford Rd.) to >Reston A bunch of us ride all year. Big roads get cleared quickly, and are typically just wet (and salty!). Just getting to the big roads is the hardest part. The most trouble you'll probably have is ice, which we have here a lot. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:26:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08371 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:26:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199910151126.AA324469262@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Randy Moran >I've always said that the minute you think you've got riding licked is >the minute that riding is going to bite you in the ass. Well, this >morning was just such an incident for me... This morning I relearned the >lesson that cold (possibly wet) pavement, cold tires, and inattention >are a recipe for expensive disaster Sorry to hear; glad you're basically okay. This was the coldest morning yet at my house (38 deg. F). Gotta get into winter mode now. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:28:36 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08445 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08073 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <46GRLWVG>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:29:40 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D887D@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:29:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well folks, I must say this whole car driver versus peddle- biker thing has shattered another level of my naivet=E9. The level of hostility between commuters has reached new=20 heights, and the guy might have been killed rather than=20 the jaw-bone cracking he received. The thing about people met randomly on the street is I must=20 consider them a viable threat to my personal safety. Sun Tzu says something to the effect of "when you are faced=20 by a superior opponent, RUN!!!" Glad my Seca lets me do so, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:32:29 1999 Return-Path: razzsounds@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f36.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08492 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13050 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 1999 15:31:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19991015153141.13049.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.140 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:31:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.140] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Really ride all year? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:31:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I ride all year. From Lakeridge to Reston. Snow removal on the mail roads is quite acceptable (I choose not to ride in the salt bath). On a side note, I was riding home from Reston last week and had a rider pull up next to me at a light. I immediately asked if she was on the dc-cycles list. She said she was, her name was Linda (the one that ran out of gas in a previous post). I was riding my 77 KZ650 (mint). I usually ride my 99 ZX9R so she might not recognize me next time. She was real nice and we rode down the parkway until I had to exit on Hooes road. I hope I get to meet more nice riders (like Linda)from the list on the road. I can't wait to meet/ride with more of you! Razz MCP 99 ZX9R 83 LTD440 77 KZ650 (for sale) > >How many of you ride all year? Currently, I don't have a car. I'd rather >not >get a car. Too many wheels. This was not a problem in NYC (or Ankara), but >I'm >not sure about No. VA. > >However, I've got a ~25 mile commute from Manassas (off Davis Ford Rd.) to >Reston. I'm not asking you to predict the weather, but what has it been >like >during previous winters? How are Prince George and Fairfax counties about >clearing snow? > >----- >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A >bergman@XXXXXX > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > >-- > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:32:58 1999 Return-Path: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08501 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2OVNa29482 (3978) for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.7b33a94b.2538a2f1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:32:01 EDT Subject: Bit in the Ass To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Got you beat! Have had some stress at home and have yet to learn when NOT to get on the beast. So Wednesday night I'm off to my club meeting. Pull it oout of the garage, turn it around in the drive way and promptly run into my own car. Lord how stupid. Tweaked a couple of light covers and got the rear brake pedal trapped under my car, twisted that up pretty good. Oh well, live and learn. I hope it doesn't cost either one of us too much to repair our precious toys. Deb Walker 98 Royal Star From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:35:02 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08511 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07490; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003501bf1722$d39138e0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , References: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:34:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I had almost the exact same senario last night as I left work at about 10:00p.m.(temp 46 degrees F) Cold tires, cold pavement and too much throttle too soon as I turned right onto Rt. 17 North. I was fortunate not to go down and then not to high side, but barely. The engine died, I let the clutch out to try to restart it, the whole time a cager was bearing down on me, the bike wouldn't start, I thumbed the start button nothing, I manage to roll out of the 4 lane highway into the median and the car that was coming at me at about 55 was good enough to slow down, or I might have been a squashed rider regardless of not going down. Mommy...my pants need to be changed! Remember that cold tires and cold pavement are NOT good for acceleration. Be safe out there. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (for sale) ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 11:14 AM Subject: Bit in the Ass > I've always said that the minute you think you've got riding licked is > the minute that riding is going to bite you in the ass. Well, this > morning was just such an incident for me. I left the house in a glum > mood about the Red Sox latest loss, and about the hazing I knew I would > get form the office Yankee fans. In retrospect, I believe I was not > paying enough attention to many things, including the temperature and > pavement condition as I pushed the bike out of the garage. I was making > my way through the sub-division like I usually do. Pulled up to a stop > sign, looked both ways, turned left, got into the turn, gave it the gas, > and promptly had the back end come around, depositing me and the bike > unceremoniously in the middle of the road. > > I've been riding and roadracing bikes for many years. I've taken the the > MSF course and several racing schools. I know that I should concentrate > and always be aware of the conditions around me, but this morning I > simply failed to do what I know I should. This morning I relearned the > lesson that cold (possibly wet) pavement, cold tires, and inattention > are a recipe for expensive disaster. I'm posting this here in the hope > that it may help someone avoid my stupid mistake. > > Ride safe, everyone. > > -- > Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:42:48 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08679 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29186 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:42:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991015114117.01630a30@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:42:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Really ride all year? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991015111541.014a79c0@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <199910151454.KAA07320@mail.uunt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That was supposed to read 'Centreville to Reston' DOH! Ice is much worse than snow here. Lots of black ice under the overpasses and back roads. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 11:44:08 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08699 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ENYWSLRN; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:39:19 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:20:44 -0400 Subject: Re: sprocket questions Message-ID: <19991015.113724.-809281.2.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-9,11-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Louis E Tweed Here is a reason not to change the front: Suspension action suffers when the front sprocket is too small. Chain torque (when a machine is accelerating or decelerating) tries to stiffen the rear suspension by pulling on the chain from a different axis than the swingarm axis. So for better suspension action and better chain/sprocket life raise the teeth on the rear sprocket count for more acceleration. Changing only one sprocket at a time is not wise anyways. Chains and sprockets should be changed in sets. A worn sprocket will tear up a new chain. Louis On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:27:05 -0700 "Jay St. Peter" writes: > -- Tom Gimer wrote: > Sprocket advice: don't buy aluminum unless you're > ready to have to replace them regularly. > > Which reminds me. There i$ another rea$on to only change out the > front > $procket. > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 12:40:35 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09547 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v64 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18569 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00bf01bf172b$6d0bb6a0$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <19991015.113724.-809281.2.ltweed@juno.com> Subject: Re: sprocket questions Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:36:26 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hmmm...never heard that before. Where did you get this information? I don't dispute the fact that the rear suspension stiffens when under acceleration/deceleration forces, but would a 1 tooth difference really make that big of a change. The diameter and circumfrence changes from say a 16 tooth to a 15 tooth sprocket are on the scale of less than 1/2 inch. This is interesting and something to think about though... Kirt 99 F4 "Not an engineer" > Here is a reason not to change the front: Suspension action suffers when > the front sprocket is too small. Chain torque (when a machine is > accelerating or decelerating) tries to stiffen the rear suspension by > pulling on the chain from a different axis than the swingarm axis. So > for better suspension action and better chain/sprocket life raise the > teeth on the rear sprocket count for more acceleration. Changing only > one sprocket at a time is not wise anyways. Chains and sprockets should > be changed in sets. A worn sprocket will tear up a new chain. > Louis From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 12:43:03 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09632 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08941; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <46GRLW68>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:44:05 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D887E@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Mark'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Really ride all year? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:44:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mark, Since the mid-80s to date, the expected number of snow days is about 2 weeks. When I rode year round, I found that most of the time I could ride but that on "deep-freeze" days or snow days, I could deal with the buses and metro-rail. For about 5 years or so all I had was a bike in this area, and I was able to get by, however, I lived mainly in Fairfax and Alexandria. My Seca should be getting the pre-winter full tune-up package soon and I am slowly getting used to chilly toes and fingers with the dull frozen ache in my knees. Though I must confess that I may resort to caging it on those really cold days with rain. Happy autumn, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 12:43:03 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09633 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:48:45 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A45FC381B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:48:44 -0700 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:44:41 GMT Message-ID: <380c8399.117700979@eriss.com> References: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> In-Reply-To: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A4F32-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:14:12 -0400, you wrote: |>I've been riding and roadracing bikes for many years. I've taken the = the |>MSF course and several racing schools. I know that I should concentrate |>and always be aware of the conditions around me, but this morning I |>simply failed to do what I know I should. This morning I relearned the |>lesson that cold (possibly wet) pavement, cold tires, and inattention |>are a recipe for expensive disaster. I'm posting this here in the hope |>that it may help someone avoid my stupid mistake. Thanks, that's nice gesture.=20 Did the bike suffer any damage? What kind of bike? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 12:44:08 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09651 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v64 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19694 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c701bf172b$eca9d950$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:40:00 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Glad to hear that you are relatively ok. How much damage was done to the bike? I've had a very similar low speed experience before on my new F4 just a little while ago. After coming out of my neighborhood, I slid the tire on a right turn (got pulled over, I wrote the list about it). As it slid, I stayed on the gas, not giving it more, but keeping it consistent. I know in a high speed turn, this is the way you handle a slide, by staying on the gas. In a low speed slide, does this method still work, or did I get lucky? Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 11:14 AM Subject: Bit in the Ass > I've always said that the minute you think you've got riding licked is > the minute that riding is going to bite you in the ass. Well, this > morning was just such an incident for me. I left the house in a glum > mood about the Red Sox latest loss, and about the hazing I knew I would > get form the office Yankee fans. In retrospect, I believe I was not > paying enough attention to many things, including the temperature and > pavement condition as I pushed the bike out of the garage. I was making > my way through the sub-division like I usually do. Pulled up to a stop > sign, looked both ways, turned left, got into the turn, gave it the gas, > and promptly had the back end come around, depositing me and the bike > unceremoniously in the middle of the road. > > I've been riding and roadracing bikes for many years. I've taken the the > MSF course and several racing schools. I know that I should concentrate > and always be aware of the conditions around me, but this morning I > simply failed to do what I know I should. This morning I relearned the > lesson that cold (possibly wet) pavement, cold tires, and inattention > are a recipe for expensive disaster. I'm posting this here in the hope > that it may help someone avoid my stupid mistake. > > Ride safe, everyone. > > -- > Randy Moran > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 12:45:38 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09693 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v64 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20191 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00cd01bf172c$2254dcd0$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <199910151454.KAA07320@mail.uunt.net> Subject: Re: Really ride all year? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:41:30 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm planning on riding year round. I only kept my car in case there is actual ice/snow on the ground. Aside from that, I say screw you to mother nature, and ride anyways. :-) Kirt 99 F4 > How many of you ride all year? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 12:47:12 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09703 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user179.anent.com [208.195.115.179]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA00027 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:40:45 -0400 Message-ID: <002601bf172d$1d2822c0$b373c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CC06@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Subject: Re: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:48:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 No DSL in Leesburg, Bell Atlantic says "Leesburg's not even on the list. That means at least a year." I only live about 1.5 miles from a major Bell facility (switching center?). And our cable provider only has uni-directional service so you still have to dial-up w/ a modem. They're in the process of selling out to a new provider so I'm hoping for them to upgrade the system. Anyone ever deal w/ Adelphia? Stuck w/ 49,333 Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM > Yeah I'm sure that almost none of us on the list can even afford a DS1. > Check the cable modem connection too. I heard people saying (hear at work) > that they get the same performance at home that they do in the office and we > has a DS3 here! > > Glenn > > > >I never will understand why people bitch about analog connections. > >Do you really understand what you're doing?? > > >Get a dedicated, digital, connection. xDSL, FR, DS1, or even ISDN. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 12:47:53 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09713 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29415 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:47:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991015124318.014a80d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:44:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: sprocket questions In-Reply-To: <19991015.113724.-809281.2.ltweed@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:20 AM 10/14/99 , Louis E Tweed wrote: >Changing only >one sprocket at a time is not wise anyways. Chains and sprockets should >be changed in sets. A worn sprocket will tear up a new chain. Is this proven anywhere - or is it just your opinion? I changed my front earlier this summer without putting a new chain or rear sprocket on. I can see no visible problem with this situation. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 12:48:14 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09723 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA27973 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:48:05 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:26:48 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF1708.8D581340.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Really ride all year? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:26:47 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rode all last winter save for maybe two weeks worth due to ice on the roads. I am right off the beltway so my roads were relatively clear. Its great for spooking the coworkers though, when you walk into the office on a 25 degree morning carrying your helmet :) I am vigilant for any signs of ice, though; its much worse than snow. The only trouble I had this past winter was one morning it was too cold to crank the engine so I had to bump start it. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - parking stop to a &)*%&( Ford Escort AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "In the Parade of Life, some folks are born to sit on the curb and clap." -----Original Message----- From: Mark [SMTP:bergman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 10:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Really ride all year? How many of you ride all year? Currently, I don't have a car. I'd rather not get a car. Too many wheels. This was not a problem in NYC (or Ankara), but I'm not sure about No. VA. However, I've got a ~25 mile commute from Manassas (off Davis Ford Rd.) to Reston. I'm not asking you to predict the weather, but what has it been like during previous winters? How are Prince George and Fairfax counties about clearing snow? ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:01:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10051 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:01:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199910151301.AA3301245598@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: sprocket questions X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:44:44 -0400 >At 11:20 AM 10/14/99 , Louis E Tweed wrote: >>Changing only >>one sprocket at a time is not wise anyways. Chains and sprockets should >>be changed in sets. A worn sprocket will tear up a new chain. > >Is this proven anywhere - or is it just your opinion This happened to me. I changed chains when it just got to the wear mark on the rear axle adjustment. A brand-new o-ring chain lasted only 6,000 mi. and needed constant adjustment. I typically get 27,000 mi. on a chain (with new sprockets). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:05:38 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10140 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29526 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:05:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991015130014.014a36c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:05:03 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: ISP and Bib Pants and Cold and Snow and Going Down In-Reply-To: <002601bf172d$1d2822c0$b373c3d0@bruce> References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CC06@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:48 PM 10/15/99 , Bruce Norton wrote: >No DSL in Leesburg, Bell Atlantic says "Leesburg's not even on the list. That >means at least a year." I only live about 1.5 miles from a major Bell facility >(switching center?). And our cable provider only has uni-directional >service so >you still have to dial-up w/ a modem. They're in the process of selling out to >a new provider so I'm hoping for them to upgrade the system. Anyone ever deal >w/ Adelphia? Just as an FYI - those of you outside the beltway may want to check out inetwireless.com. We are working with their company - offering 2Mb full duplex microwave connections to home users for around $50 per month. They are concentrating on people in areas that can't get DSL or cable modems. Now back to our regularly scheduled MC talk. I was a little chilled this morning. I am looking for a pair of bib style riding pants that will fit my budget. Winter use only - I wear jeans in the summer.(risky but practical). I would get the First Gear pants, but they don't zip into the Kenya jacket I have...and since the jacket is short, it rides up my back. Hence the need for the bib style pants. Anyone? Bueller? ALSO - I am looking for a thermal head/face/neck cover to go under the helmet and down into my coat. I don't want a neck guard...I want the full unit. Anyone know where to buy them and what they cost? They have a French name that is on the tip of my tongue...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:14:47 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10255 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14662; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:14:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ISP and Bib Pants and Cold and Snow and Going Down In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991015130014.014a36c0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Troutman wrote: > ALSO - I am looking for a thermal head/face/neck cover to go under the > helmet and down into my coat. I don't want a neck guard...I want the full > unit. Anyone know where to buy them and what they cost? They have a > French name that is on the tip of my tongue...... Now we're getting into a classic dc-cycles discussion! What you want is baklava. It's tasty and warm! :) Ok, actually, they're called balaclavas. Any outdoor store (e.g., REI) or bicycle shop (e.g., Performance Bikes) should have them in stock now. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:18:40 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10296 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA14939 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:34:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Yeah, Me too. About a week ago, coming home from a trip to dinner in Annapolis, (about 1 AM and cold out) I took a right hander within one block of home (Warm Tires, but cold road) and the front end did a stupifyingly scary slide out- Did not go down, but had that sensation of not being in control that we all dislike so much. I think I may have been disrespectful of a painted line- I certainly have done that corner many times at seemingly higher speeds, but I failed to plan on the cold pavement variable. I guess the take-away point for all of us is how respectful we have to be- the reason I find motorcycles interesting is that they bite- that there is an inherent risk. Controlling that risk is what makes it fun. Otherwise I would drive a Ford Taurus (: Hmm, rereading that section, I come across like a control freak- that is really not where I am coming from. Only that the ability to do wrong makes it possible to do right. Riding a motorcycle well makes the risk of being bitten worthwhile. I think. The problem, of course, is the variables we don't have any control over. Namely, stupid cagers, which there seem to be more of in this vicinity than anywhere else that I have been. They just might make it not worth it, because dying at the hands of a simpering fool behind the wheel of a minivan is not worth a plugged nickel, methinks. Thoughts? Ned Suesse From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:19:44 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10306 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2QJUa29634 (4253) for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.dea1d0ba.2538bc0d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:19:09 EDT Subject: Fwd: they're not just after motor-bikes ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.dea1d0ba.2538bc0d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 --part1_0.dea1d0ba.2538bc0d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should clarify for those who didn't make it to the bottom of the original post ..... this did NOT happen to ME .... it happened to a guy named Richard on my bicycle list..... but I have forwarded condolences to him. :D Marcy In a message dated 10/14/99 1:04:13 AM, Jinn Sinn writes: >On Monday, I was bicycling south on Rock creek Parkway. --part1_0.dea1d0ba.2538bc0d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Full-name: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <0.1221995b.2536be4d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:04:13 EDT Subject: they're not just after motor-bikes ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 On Monday, I was bicycling south on Rock creek Parkway. While I normally take the bike path through the zoo to go around the tunnel, that route now closes at 6:00 pm. I was riding at approx. 20 mph when midway between the zoo entrance and the tunnel entrance a blue 4-door sedan passed me dangerously close at a high speed. The occupants yelled something and gestured - towards the bike path I supposed. A little upset and threatened by the encounter, I rode through the tunnel and saw the offending car in the traffic at the stop sign. I said, as I rode past, "Share the road" and then I spit in the direction of the car. They yelled back, "Faggot!" Then I crossed the road and returned to the bike path that leads towards Georgetown. After I went down the little hill and crossed the bridge, I could see that the blue sedan was now stopped in the right lane of traffic and the driver was running across the grass to cut me off. Not wanting to stop, I sped up and tried to accelerate and maneuver my way around him. Unfortunately he hit me across the face with something hard. I stayed on the bike and rode up to where the trail is again close to the parkway. I was bleeding profusely, I thought, from my nose. I had my cell phone with me so I called 911. When they answered, I said that I had been assaulted and that they should get the tag number that I read over and over. Handily, the driver had conveniently brought his car up towards me so that the driver could show his wife and his child in the car seat the results of his efforts. The 911 dispatch kept asking me where I was and telling me that we were breaking up. Eventually the car drove away and the phone connection was dropped. I called again and was eventually connected to the Park Police dispatch who told me that they would send a squad car and an ambulance. While I waited, a jogger and a dog walker were nice enough to stop and offer comfort until the police arrived. Three squad cars arrived after 10 minutes had passed from my second 911 call. An ambulance and a fire truck also arrived. After filing a tentative report, I was taken to Georgetown University Hospital. Yesterday I had surgery to repair my broken upper jaw. I now have two titanium plates in my head (even more reason to want that Merlin!) and a wired-shut jaw. Meanwhile, the Metropolitan Police department claims to have no record of the first 911 call when I repeated the tag number of the car. I was reading it to the dispatch and didn't try to memorize it. I'll keep you informed if anything more is learned, but it looks like there's one dangerous guy still out there. Richard Gould Chevy Chase, MD --part1_0.dea1d0ba.2538bc0d_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:27:56 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10530 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v64 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04990 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e701bf1732$0b4ccf10$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Re: ISP and Bib Pants and Cold and Snow and Going Down Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:23:49 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'm actually going to give Coleman Powersport my money for one of these Balaclavas... Merely because they have one that has a NEOPRENE face section. For the unintiated, neoprene is good shit in the cold. They use it in all sorts of winter gear for keeping cold, wind out. I'll let you know how it works out. They are like 15 bucks or so. Gonna go get it on my lunchbreak. Kirt 99 F4 "gonna freeze my ass off this winter...WOO HOO!" > On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Troutman wrote: > > ALSO - I am looking for a thermal head/face/neck cover to go under the > > helmet and down into my coat. I don't want a neck guard...I want the full > > unit. Anyone know where to buy them and what they cost? They have a > > French name that is on the tip of my tongue...... > > Now we're getting into a classic dc-cycles discussion! What you want is > baklava. It's tasty and warm! :) Ok, actually, they're called balaclavas. > Any outdoor store (e.g., REI) or bicycle shop (e.g., Performance Bikes) > should have them in stock now. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:34:14 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10586 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:34:12 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:40:07 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A45FEC81B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for plus 1 more; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:40:07 -0700 To: "Kirt S." Cc: Subject: Re: Really ride all year? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:36:03 GMT Message-ID: <38079013.120895549@eriss.com> References: <199910151454.KAA07320@mail.uunt.net> <00cd01bf172c$2254dcd0$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <00cd01bf172c$2254dcd0$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A4F63-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:41:30 -0400, you wrote: |>I'm planning on riding year round. I only kept my car in case there is |>actual ice/snow on the ground. Aside from that, I say screw you to = mother |>nature, and ride anyways. :-) OH great, now it'll be a snowy winter. thanks a lot :) |>Kirt |>99 F4 |> |>> How many of you ride all year? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:36:57 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10673 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-71.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FJN000FUNKQXU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:39:45 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <380766E0.19B04A95@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> <00c701bf172b$eca9d950$4a5f800a@XXXXXX> The bike is an '89 ZX-7 that I've owned since I bought it new in '89. It's been back and forth between the road and the racetrack several times, most recently this year when I raced it up at Summit for the first half of the season, before I replaced it with an SV650. I had just completed the back-to-the-road conversion last week. The list of damage is as follows: rear-view mirror (left side) clutch lever clip-on (left side) fairing lower (left side) fairing bracket footpeg bracket (left side) shift lever various scrapes wounded pride Anyway, as I said, an expensive lesson. Randy Moran "Kirt S." wrote: How much damage was done to the bike? And daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: Did the bike suffer any damage? What kind of bike? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:40:23 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10690 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:43:13 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A45FEE81B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:43:12 -0700 To: Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:39:09 GMT Message-ID: <380890bd.121065154@eriss.com> References: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> <003501bf1722$d39138e0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> In-Reply-To: <003501bf1722$d39138e0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A4F65-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC Come to think of it, I felt a little slippage on my rear tire last night too. On some type of on ramp I think. On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:34:51 -0400, you wrote: |>I had almost the exact same senario last night as I left work at about |>10:00p.m.(temp 46 degrees F) Cold tires, cold pavement and too much = throttle |>too soon as I turned right onto Rt. 17 North. I was fortunate not to go= down |>and then not to high side, but barely. The engine died, I let the = clutch out |>to try to restart it, the whole time a cager was bearing down on me, = the |>bike wouldn't start, I thumbed the start button nothing, I manage to = roll |>out of the 4 lane highway into the median and the car that was coming = at me |>at about 55 was good enough to slow down, or I might have been a = squashed |>rider regardless of not going down. Mommy...my pants need to be = changed! |> |>Remember that cold tires and cold pavement are NOT good for = acceleration. Be |>safe out there. |> |>Danny |>'99 VFR |>'99 SV |>'93 DR 350 (for sale) |>----- Original Message ----- |>From: Randy Moran |>To: |>Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 11:14 AM |>Subject: Bit in the Ass |> |> |>> I've always said that the minute you think you've got riding licked = is |>> the minute that riding is going to bite you in the ass. Well, this |>> morning was just such an incident for me. I left the house in a glum |>> mood about the Red Sox latest loss, and about the hazing I knew I = would |>> get form the office Yankee fans. In retrospect, I believe I was not |>> paying enough attention to many things, including the temperature and |>> pavement condition as I pushed the bike out of the garage. I was = making |>> my way through the sub-division like I usually do. Pulled up to a = stop |>> sign, looked both ways, turned left, got into the turn, gave it the = gas, |>> and promptly had the back end come around, depositing me and the bike |>> unceremoniously in the middle of the road. |>> |>> I've been riding and roadracing bikes for many years. I've taken the = the |>> MSF course and several racing schools. I know that I should = concentrate |>> and always be aware of the conditions around me, but this morning I |>> simply failed to do what I know I should. This morning I relearned = the |>> lesson that cold (possibly wet) pavement, cold tires, and inattention |>> are a recipe for expensive disaster. I'm posting this here in the = hope |>> that it may help someone avoid my stupid mistake. |>> |>> Ride safe, everyone. |>> |>> -- |>> Randy Moran |> From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 13:42:26 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10797 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA03611 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:45:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199910151645.MAA03611@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:35:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D887D@tralfaz.treev.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Michael Jay wrote: > > I must say this whole car driver versus peddle- > biker thing has shattered another level of my naivet=E9. I just got this news article from a friend who is a pedal biker. I cannot believe how the level of humanity twards others constantly sinks to a lower and lower level as soon as drivers step behind the wheel... The story about the biker and the car in Rock Creek parkway was bad. The altercation which occurred on I66 two weeks ago, where someone ended up loosing their life because they were "cut off" made me sick... And then this... How low can we go? This stuff didn't happen 10 years ago... If things are this bad now, where, as a society, will we be in 2009? Be advised: This article is NOT for the faint of heart... http://orlandosentinel.com/news/092399_bike23_19.htm -John N. 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 14:06:53 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11185 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA03858; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:09:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199910151709.NAA03858@bmdo.mcri.com> To: Troutman Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:00:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sprocket/ Chain sets CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19991015124318.014a80d0@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <19991015.113724.-809281.2.ltweed@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) From: Troutman Subject: Re: sprocket questions > At 11:20 AM 10/14/99 , Louis E Tweed wrote: > >Changing only > >one sprocket at a time is not wise anyways. Chains and sprockets should > >be changed in sets. A worn sprocket will tear up a new chain. > > Is this proven anywhere - or is it just your opinion? I changed my front > earlier this summer without putting a new chain or rear sprocket on. I can > see no visible problem with this situation. > > Mike Troutman I can Confirm Louis's statement. Granted, you may not be seeing much of a problem with your setup [ your sprockets were most likely in pretty good condition when you changes your chain so as to not show much wear ] However, if you were to mount a new chain on some badly worn sprockets [ the ridges that make up the sprocket are curved in one direction, or worn on the sides] believe me, this would greatly affect the chain life. Worn sprockets also rob you of power and in the most extreme cases, can lead to the chain slippage...[bad] It is just one of those rules... If you really care about your engine, you change the oil filter when you do an oil change right? in the same respect, If you really care about your chain, you change the sprockets... You should consider both of the above examples a "matched set". From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 14:17:17 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11339 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11cBue-0004wN-00; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:17:08 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16245; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 15 Oct 1999 14:15:35 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re:sprocket questions Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:24:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I know that there is some interaction between the chain and swingarm under acceleration. It mostly has to do with the offset from the swingarm pivot to the center of the front sprocket. Racers regularly change front/rear sprockets and I seriously doubt that anyone really notices a change in rear suspension action. Now if you adjust the swingarm pivot point that's another story. If your sprockets/chain are worn, I absolutely agree that all must be replaced. If you are replacing some very low mileage sprockets to change your ratios it's not necessary. If you put a new chain on worn sprockets, your new chain isn't long for the world. If you put new sprockets and leave your worn chain, your new sprockets will soon be bad. Carefully measure your chain wear and make a determination. Mileage alone isn't really a factor since you can have your rear tire improperly aligned and destroy a chain really quickly. Jay St. Peter (I learned lots about chains racing mtn bikes) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 14:27:17 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11538 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11cC4L-0005O4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:27:09 -0400 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18673 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 15 Oct 1999 14:25:44 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re:Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:35:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I find that tire age/wear has lots to do with morning cold traction. Usually I wear my street bike tires down the center commuting. That creates a ridge that limits traction at mild lean angles. It's even worse now on my ZX9 because I have a ridge toward the edge from track day plus one from my worn center. Little wear in between has caused a noticeable ridge. I have painted a few black stripes lately accelerating into a turn. The bike also feels a little sketchy at turn in and doesn't stay steady through the turn. It feels like the tires don't have enough air. Jay St. Peter (being careful with the right wrist until spring, when I can hopefully afford new tires) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 14:48:01 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11825 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:47:43 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:46:13 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:47:38 -0400 Message-Id: <380777D7.AE0C73C0@trw.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:52:10 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, Jonathan Broga was wondering about the tires as well. I'm running the same 207GPs that were on it when I took it off the track. They have only one weekend on them (plus a few road miles) so I figure they should be ok. Maybe they don't like the cold too well? idunno. I think it was definitely a matter of too much wrist for the conditions though. "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > I find that tire age/wear has lots to do with morning cold traction. > Usually I wear my street bike tires down the center commuting. That creates > a ridge that limits traction at mild lean angles. It's even worse now on my > ZX9 because I have a ridge toward the edge from track day plus one from my > worn center. Little wear in between has caused a noticeable ridge. I have > painted a few black stripes lately accelerating into a turn. The bike also > feels a little sketchy at turn in and doesn't stay steady through the turn. > It feels like the tires don't have enough air. > > Jay St. Peter (being careful with the right wrist until spring, when I can > hopefully afford new tires) -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 14:50:36 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11904 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.119.40.21] by usdotmh.dot.gov with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:43:04 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4STSG0VZ>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:39:29 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'Robert Rapp'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:39:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I don't think its fair to assume the bicycle rider was "in the middle of the road". If anyone is familiar with the section of Rock Creek Park that the rider was on, Beach Drive near the zoo, it is a narrow, two lane road, it is not Rock Creek Parkway. In this area, many cars will not pass a bicycle if there is traffic coming in the other direction since there would be very little clearance between the two cars on one side and the car and the bicycle on the other. When this happens, it causes traffic to back up and drivers get pissed, and normally just yell, scream and blow their horn. I know this from first hand experience since I ride through Rock Creek Park either on my motorcycle or bicycle on my daily commute. However, when I am on Beach Drive on my bicycle there are areas where I purposefully ride in the center of lane to stop cars from passing and to stop them from squeezing me off the road. This is especially true in the twisty areas around the boulder bridge where two cars and a bicycle would not fit side-by-side. These areas are not to far from where the initial part of the bike-v-car incident took place. The driver may have already been pissed off at the rider. I've been on both sides of this, backing up traffic on my bicycle and being stuck in slow moving traffic due to a bicycle, his mistake was not being on the road, it was spitting at the driver. When you do things like that you take your chances with a bad outcome. For his sake, he just has to be thankful the guy didn't have a gun. I hope he heals quickly and fully. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Rapp [SMTP:rrapp@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 10:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... > > Without knowing the full situation, I agree the bicyclist shouldn't have > been in the middle of the road. BUT: there are 3 reasons why I'd ride a > bicycle in the middle of the road: 1) I've signaled and intend to turn > left > (even then, usually riding the yellow centerline); 2) an obstacle on the > right forces me into the road (always try to check behind and signal > first); or 3) traffic is of the same speed as I. My average bicycle > speeds > are around 20 -25mph; speeds which are more hazardous on sidewalks than in > the street. I feel sidewalks are for pedestrians, kids, dogs, joggers, > bladers, etc. Another thing all drivers should bear in mind; a bicyclist > has various obstacles which are unseen to a driver (glass, loss of > pavement, road debris, pedestrians, alive or deceased animals, etc) on the > roadside. And stop lights, well; they don't usually register a bicycles > presence... > > I recently timed my bicycle commute route (21.75miles) using the VFR's > Sigma BC600. It took me 35.5 minutes by motorcycle whereas 60 min by > bicycle. There are days, usually when leaving late, that riding a bicycle > is much faster than riding the motorcycle due to traffic. A bicyclist can > usually continue to ride a shoulder while cars are stopped. And then > there > is the occasional gridlocked intersection. Either way I decide to ride; > most days I find cars slow me down. > > To put the above comments in perspective, I commute from Montgomery Cty to > Greenbelt (don't go inside the Beltway). Most posted limits are 50 or > under; and on some roads, I'm able to ride the posted 25 or 30mph. > > Regards, > > Bob > > > Motorized: 97 VFR w/ Givi > >> Or not: 99 Bianchi XL, 96 Klein Quantum II, 97 Santana Sovereign > (tandem) > >> > > > At 09:50 AM 10/15/99 -0400, Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > > >I wish I could keep my mouth shut here but more than a few times I've > seen > >bicyclists in the District go out of their way to make life for commuters > >really difficult. Sure I do not mind sharing the road at all but I do > mind > >some jerk riding in the middle of the lane going maybe 20mph while the > >traffic should be moving at 35-40mph. And it always happens during rush > >hour. There is a sidewalk that is much more manueverable on. > > > >This, however, does not apply to the Rock Creek Parkway as it's designed > to > >as a bicycle throughfare as well as for cars. It's too bad that the > rider > >in this situation got hurt. I hope that he's OK. > > > >Tom <----- Stepping into his Nomex > >'86 VFR750 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Robert Rapp > >To: > >Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 8:24 AM > >Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... > > > > > > > >> I ride at all times totally respectful, aware of my actions and of > those > >> around me. Saying a prayer every now and then can't hurt either... > Those > >> close-calls do provide one good thing: an appreciation for life. > >Something > >> more people need around here. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> Motorized: 97 VFR w/ Givi > >> Or not: 99 Bianchi XL, 96 Klein Quantum II, 97 Santana Sovereign > (tandem) > >> > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 15:17:49 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12324 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11cCrC-0007BW-00; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:17:38 -0400 Received: from superj (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03948; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Randy Moran" Cc: Subject: RE: Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <380777D7.AE0C73C0@trw.com> Hmmm, sounds like the tires were OK. Although, I always tried to get lots of use out of my 207GP race tires. Sometimes they felt like bricks on Sat. morning and it took some serious work to get em sticky again. As if morning practice sessions at Summit weren't slippery enough. On the other hand, maybe some water, oil or gravel got you. At least it's only the machinery with some damage. Sounds like many of the broken bits are things you prolly have spares of anyway. Crashing sucks. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Randy Moran [mailto:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 11:52 AM To: Jay St. Peter Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Yeah, Jonathan Broga was wondering about the tires as well. I'm running the same 207GPs that were on it when I took it off the track. They have only one weekend on them (plus a few road miles) so I figure they should be ok. Maybe they don't like the cold too well? idunno. I think it was definitely a matter of too much wrist for the conditions though. "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > I find that tire age/wear has lots to do with morning cold traction. > Usually I wear my street bike tires down the center commuting. That creates > a ridge that limits traction at mild lean angles. It's even worse now on my > ZX9 because I have a ridge toward the edge from track day plus one from my > worn center. Little wear in between has caused a noticeable ridge. I have > painted a few black stripes lately accelerating into a turn. The bike also > feels a little sketchy at turn in and doesn't stay steady through the turn. > It feels like the tires don't have enough air. > > Jay St. Peter (being careful with the right wrist until spring, when I can > hopefully afford new tires) -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 15:18:10 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12334 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA07711 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:18:04 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:18:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:18:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >This stuff didn't happen 10 years ago... Yeah, it did - the reporting wasn't as active then Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 15:32:29 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12559 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:31:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199910151531.AA2042299002@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: they're not just after motor-bikes ... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jordan, Michael" >>This stuff didn't happen 10 years ago... > >Yeah, it did - the reporting wasn't as active then Agreed. And that's what Capt. Tom Bernal told me too when I was talking with him about Fairfax County's RoadShark (turn in an aggressive driver) program. He had some interesting examples of "road rage" 10 and 20 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more common now, with more and more people commuting further and competing for limited road space. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 15:43:10 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12719 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellg8v64 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02267; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005901bf1744$edaf5910$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , Cc: Subject: Tires.... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:38:59 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 First off...anyone seen any exceptionally good deals on a Battlax BT56SS 180 rear tire (for my F4) around? I've looked, but pretty much everyone has the same prices... Also, KEN, did you talk to that guy about the silly deal on D207s? Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 15:43:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12739 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09566 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11015 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id PAA00146 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991015154445.007afda0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:44:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Helmet Life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Somebody was asking about the life of helmets. Here's my 2 cents. A friend just got a new Arai and I noticed that the words "five year Warranty" were written on the box. Maybe that means something? Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 15:47:36 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from mail.uunt.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12810 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by mail.uunt.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA09022; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910151944.PAA09022@mail.uunt.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:25:32 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:47:21 -0400 From: Mark In your message dated: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:25:32 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => Hmmm, sounds like the tires were OK. Although, I always tried to get lots What's the tire pressure? Too high (fine for hot weather/longer mileage/highway riding) just won't heat up enough. Mark -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 15:59:40 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13027 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 22:54:52 UT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:58 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Randy.Moran@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Bit in the Ass Message-ID: <19991015160101191-15701437@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've heard that the D207GP needs to be thoroughly warmed up before making it useful... guys have told me that on their street bike that the D207GP was just not safe enough to use outside of the race track where racing action REALLY heats up the tire. I have a D207GP sitting at home that I have as of yet not put on the VFR just for that reason (it's one of the tires that I got from you Randy). Anyway... I hope that you get the ZX7 back in shape quickly. From the post you made earlier I assumed that you were OK... if you weren't... I hope you heal quickly as well. Later, Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Bit in the Ass Author: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX (Jay St. Peter) Date: 10/15/1999 6:25 PM Hmmm, sounds like the tires were OK. Although, I always tried to get lots of use out of my 207GP race tires. Sometimes they felt like bricks on Sat. morning and it took some serious work to get em sticky again. As if morning practice sessions at Summit weren't slippery enough. On the other hand, maybe some water, oil or gravel got you. At least it's only the machinery with some damage. Sounds like many of the broken bits are things you prolly have spares of anyway. Crashing sucks. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Randy Moran [mailto:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 11:52 AM To: Jay St. Peter Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Yeah, Jonathan Broga was wondering about the tires as well. I'm running the same 207GPs that were on it when I took it off the track. They have only one weekend on them (plus a few road miles) so I figure they should be ok. Maybe they don't like the cold too well? idunno. I think it was definitely a matter of too much wrist for the conditions though. "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > I find that tire age/wear has lots to do with morning cold traction. > Usually I wear my street bike tires down the center commuting. That creates > a ridge that limits traction at mild lean angles. It's even worse now on my > ZX9 because I have a ridge toward the edge from track day plus one from my > worn center. Little wear in between has caused a noticeable ridge. I have > painted a few black stripes lately accelerating into a turn. The bike also > feels a little sketchy at turn in and doesn't stay steady through the turn. > It feels like the tires don't have enough air. > > Jay St. Peter (being careful with the right wrist until spring, when I can > hopefully afford new tires) -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 16:01:40 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13086 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11cDXY-0001JO-00; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:01:24 -0400 Received: from superj (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15566; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:01:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Mark" Cc: Subject: RE: Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:09:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199910151944.PAA09022@mail.uunt.net> Don't matter much. There won't be much heat in the tires at the end of the driveway. As a racer, Randy knows the effects of tire pressure. My point about the race tires he was using relates to the effect of too many heat cycles on race tires. After a while, even if the tread isn't worn out, the severe effects of heat from racing will cause the tires to harden. -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:bergman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 12:47 PM To: Jay St. Peter Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass In your message dated: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:25:32 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => Hmmm, sounds like the tires were OK. Although, I always tried to get lots What's the tire pressure? Too high (fine for hot weather/longer mileage/highway riding) just won't heat up enough. Mark -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 16:14:33 1999 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13264 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA04050; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vna-va12-06.ix.netcom.com(207.223.178.70) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003534; Fri Oct 15 15:11:27 1999 Message-ID: <3807B54A.B3DD62E7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:14:18 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires.... References: <005901bf1744$edaf5910$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirt, I don't know what prices you're seeing where, but I do know Chapparal has the 180/55-17 rear advertised for ~$95. This is the cheapest I've seen anywhere. Regards, Chuck "Kirt S." wrote: > > First off...anyone seen any exceptionally good deals on a Battlax BT56SS 180 > rear tire (for my F4) around? I've looked, but pretty much everyone has the > same prices... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 16:17:29 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (web116.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.89]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13315 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991015201533.1955.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.8.1] by web116.yahoomail.com; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:15:33 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Any Saturday Rides Planned? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any Saturday Rides Planned? Herb '94 Magna Arlington, VA ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 16:36:07 1999 Return-Path: culimerc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13594 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from el-pipo-grande (user-2ivei4u.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.72.158]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00199; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991015164411.006a5cec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:44:11 -0400 To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, I ride the black '96 GPz1100 you'll see in the garage most days (I'm a whimp, I'll take the cage during nasty weather. As far as ISP's go I've got mindspring at home which I really like, but they just got bought by Earthlink, which I've heard really bad things about. My opinion about off moto-threads is a difficult one. I fully support anyone in the right to make a complete ass out of themselves, but just to so and dissmiss the loss of people (read Anita) who actively contribute rather than just flame and bash is our loss. On the topic of aggressive driving; Does this mean we can report the morons who think since they're speeding (56 mph) they can live in the left lane? Although I have to admit I do like the paint gun idea. Anyone want to do a half day ride tomorrow? Start around 12 or 1? And lastly, now that I've covered most of the topics from the last month; Hey Jeanette and Tom you can add me to your Jan. shinddig list! James E-TKT Erol's Road warrior From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 17:33:12 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA14381 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA01921; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:33:16 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016294; Fri, 15 Oct 99 17:14:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FJN0049QXTP07@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525680B.00748AFD ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:12:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:13:23 -0400 Subject: Off to Daytona To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525680B.00748230.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Well, I'm off to Daytona for a week of riding and debauchery at Biketoberfest. I'll be gone all this week, so if anyone wants to flame me, they'll have to wait for a while to get a response. I'll be checking out Deal's Gap on the way, as well as any other tasty twisties I can find. I'll be joined by a few list-lurkers for the jaunt, and I'll try to post some pictures when I get back. Here's to hoping I won't get bitten by the Dragon! Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 17:50:27 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14678 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id RAA16382; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: "Kirt S." cc: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires.... In-Reply-To: <005901bf1744$edaf5910$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Kirt S. wrote: > Also, KEN, did you talk to that guy about the silly deal on D207s? I ain't seen him down at Checkers in a few weeks. I'll look again tonight. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 17:51:56 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14698 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oNIWa26723 (4250); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.f17f4395.2538fbd5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:51:17 EDT Subject: Re: sprocket questions To: ltweed@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/15/99 11:53:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ltweed@XXXXXX writes: << Chain torque (when a machine is accelerating or decelerating) tries to stiffen the rear suspension by pulling on the chain from a different axis than the swingarm axis. >> Only correct if lowering the number of teeth on the pinion (front sprocket) makes the chain less in-line with the swing-arm. But it is still preferable, easier and cheaper to change the pinion regardless. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 19:52:10 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16485 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:52:08 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:54:00 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A4609381B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:54:00 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: they're not just after motor-bikes ... Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <3807e2fc.142123399@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A503D-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC No matter where the bicyclist was on the road, bicyclist have a lawfull right to be on the road. ( according to an instructer for the bicycling course at PG college) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 19:54:29 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16517 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:00:24 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A4609581B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:00:22 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: almost rear ended Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:56:22 GMT Message-ID: <3808e7dc.143371574@eriss.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A503F-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC I was almost rearended today, I was in the left hand turn lane on east west highway about to turn onto kennilworth avenue.. I was following a huge U of MD bus and couldn't see the arrow signal, the last I saw it was green and i was suspecting it was turning yellow, and I was right. So instead of trying to be the last object through and possible t-bone target for those who wanted to be fast off the line when their light turned green ( of those waiting at the oposite direction of the light).=20 I stopped my bike beyond the white line typically is (but there was none), but still in a safe place not to be in the roadway. Then I hear a schreech and I knew what it was and I was just hoping i wouldn't be hit. I wasn't. The driver I guess, was assuming I'd try to force my way through the interesection even though I clearly didn't have the arrow any more, and he planned on following. So knowing that it was all over, as the screech didn't last long, I turn around to see a little light aqua compact car with an asian driver with big square glasses, a passenger who looked to be iranian and a little girl peering between the seats with no seat belt on. The iranian guy had one hand over his heart and his other hand up as if being sworn in, and looked like he was saying "I swear i thought you were going to hit that guy" and both driver and passenger had a=20 frieghtened look on their face ( about the accident the driver almost caused). =20 I decided not to even gesture to them.. I didn't shake my head or anything. I just looked at them for a quick second then looked down to see the distance, the guy stopped about a foot or 2 away from my back tire, so I guess that's not too bad. So anyway I figured they scared the $@it out of themselves, they learned something, and there was no point in me being condescending about it. They seemed like nice guys, and the driver was just someone who just made a mistake driving. I was the last person through the light tho so I got a little smirk that they got stuck at the light. I felt slightly shakey thinking about what could have happened, and just reassured myself it woudlnt' have been my fault, and had I been hit, I probably would have just knocked me and the bike foward and over, probably damaging the bike and I would have been owed enough to buy a replacement bike. So I felt a little bit enthusiastic that everything turned out okay and almost started to drive a little aggressively but then I remembered that one shouldn't get on the bike when something just happened and you've got an attitude or emotion is running strong, so I decided I better ride more with safety in mind, as if a cop were behind me or something. Then I thought about this email list.. and the road rage, and today's other posts. No harm, no foul. Daniel 92 ex250 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 20:04:31 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16666 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:04:29 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:10:25 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A4609881B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:10:24 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:06:24 GMT Message-ID: <3809ea2b.143962949@eriss.com> References: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> <00c701bf172b$eca9d950$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <380766E0.19B04A95@loudoun.com> In-Reply-To: <380766E0.19B04A95@loudoun.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A5041-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:39:45 -0400, you wrote: |>The bike is an '89 ZX-7 that I've owned since I bought it new in '89. |>The list of damage is as follows: |> |>rear-view mirror (left side) |>clutch lever |>clip-on (left side) |>fairing lower (left side) |>fairing bracket |>footpeg bracket (left side) |>shift lever |>various scrapes |>wounded pride |> |>Anyway, as I said, an expensive lesson. Ouch. Luckily so far my lessons haven't been costly, but I know that wounded pride feeling : ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 20:07:54 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16745 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:07:53 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:13:49 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A4609A81B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:13:48 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bit in the Ass Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:09:48 GMT Message-ID: <380aec1e.144462089@eriss.com> References: <380777D7.AE0C73C0@trw.com> In-Reply-To: <380777D7.AE0C73C0@trw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A5043-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC maybe just morning air moisture? Was there dew on the grass? |>weekend on them (plus a few road miles) so I figure they should be ok. = Maybe |>they don't like the cold too well? idunno. I think it was definitely a = matter |>of too much wrist for the conditions though. |> |>"Jay St. Peter" wrote: |> |>> I find that tire age/wear has lots to do with morning cold traction. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 20:14:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16852 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10872 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA19730 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:19:47 -0700 Received: from ip25.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.25] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A4609B81B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:19:46 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Life Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:15:47 GMT Message-ID: <380bedc8.144887719@eriss.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991015154445.007afda0@kivex.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991015154445.007afda0@kivex.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A5044-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC Do they replace them if you get into an accident?=20 On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:44:45 -0400, you wrote: |>Somebody was asking about the life of helmets. Here's my 2 cents. A |>friend just got a new Arai and I noticed that the words "five year |>Warranty" were written on the box. Maybe that means something? |> |> |>Lisa Goddard |>Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 20:23:50 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16990 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.172]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:08:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirt S." , Subject: RE: Re:they're not just after motor-bikes ... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: <002201bf176b$05234400$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <00a201bf1649$c68c4b50$8f5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Ahem, asp folding baton. Not for attack, but for defense. Where can I get one of these locally, bearing in mind that I am not in the military, nor am I a police officer, or security guard? I tried my local police supply shop, and they (as is their right) won't sell one of these to me unless I fit into one of those categories. Anyone care to save me a search of 'net sites looking for one? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 20:24:02 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17000 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.172]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:18:31 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:21:54 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bf176c$73501c40$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <001a01bf16bd$f4bfbe20$cea62ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Metallica Fans check out VH1 now. Dear lord. Metallica on VH1? Isn't this the first sign of the apocalypse? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 20:29:07 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17078 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.172]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:23:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mark" , Subject: RE: Really ride all year? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:26:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bf176d$28dfe860$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199910151454.KAA07320@mail.uunt.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Can't comment. I'm a chicken when it comes to snow and bikes. Yet another reason I have a hack;) I'm going to see if mother can't sew me up a blanket similar to the cop blankets. Pick up some heated hand grips. Maybe put one of those $40 JC Whitney heaters in the chair for Angie... Lookup the address for the GM alternator on a Wing conversion, throw a car battery in the trunk, and I'll be good to go:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 20:30:59 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17134 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.172]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:25:27 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Randy Moran" , Subject: RE: Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <002601bf176d$6b6f65c0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <380744BE.F7A5D6F6@trw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Almost did something similar on Wednesday morning, except my tire turns out to have been slippery due to brake fluid! It looks like it's just a loose banjo bolt, but since it's still under warranty, I'll be dropping it off tomorrow or Monday. How are you and the bike after the drop? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 20:34:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17144 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10935 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA20105 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.172]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:28:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Lisa Goddard" , Subject: RE: Helmet Life Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:31:57 -0400 Message-ID: <002701bf176d$da83ad40$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.19991015154445.007afda0@kivex.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It means I'll probably empty Marvin the Martian (my piggy bank) sometime for an Arai Quantum/e (pricey, but the fit felt better than any other helmet I've tried on. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Somebody was asking about the life of helmets. Here's my 2 cents. A > friend just got a new Arai and I noticed that the words "five year > Warranty" were written on the box. Maybe that means something? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 21:33:24 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18015 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.MGFairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:32:45 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Bit in the Ass Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:33:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bf1776$66aa9ba0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <380777D7.AE0C73C0@trw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Randy Moran [mailto:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] wrote: > Yeah, Jonathan Broga was wondering about the tires as well. I'm > running the > same 207GPs that were on it when I took it off the track. They > have only one > weekend on them (plus a few road miles) so I figure they should > be ok. Maybe > they don't like the cold too well? idunno. I think it was > definitely a matter > of too much wrist for the conditions though. Tire compound can make a *huge* difference in how a tire handles cold temperatures. Tires geared toward track or high performance use are generally compounded to work best when hot, and don't like cold conditions at all. The rubber will literally be too hard for good traction. In the cager world, all season tires actually tend to offer more traction in winter temps than do high performance tires. I don't know that anyone compounds bike tires specifically for low temps, though, since so few people really ride in winter temps. ITW, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag) STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 15 21:50:10 1999 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18359 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vPJYa16653 (3931) for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:49:33 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 >Dear lord. Metallica on VH1? Isn't this the first sign of the apocalypse? I thought the first sign of the apocalypse was when the band bought new Harleys at Bob Dron's in Oakland, and the bikes had to get delivered to their homes in the shop truck because no one knew how to ride them. Well ok, I didn't actually see this, but it was sure the rumor. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 00:17:37 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20247 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18950 invoked from network); 16 Oct 1999 04:14:20 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1999 04:14:20 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA15157; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:16:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:16:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199910160416.AAA15157@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: George Howell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: Re:they're not just after motor-bikes ... On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:11:40 -0400 George Howell wrote: >Where can I get one of these locally, bearing in mind that I am not in the >military, nor am I a police officer, or security guard? I tried my local >police supply shop, and they (as is their right) won't sell one of these to >me unless I fit into one of those categories. >Anyone care to save me a search of 'net sites looking for one? http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/batons.htm BTW,if you look under the 'Misc' catagory,you'll find a product called the 'Wild Kat Keychain'. Got one for my mom. Good product for SO's/ladies. Get it in a color other than black,and it looks harmless. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 00:46:07 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20618 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5305 invoked from network); 16 Oct 1999 04:45:57 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1999 04:45:57 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA17285; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:48:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:48:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199910160448.AAA17285@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: RE: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:49:33 EDT MotorLE@XXXXXX wrote: >I thought the first sign of the apocalypse was when the band bought new >Harleys at Bob Dron's in Oakland, and the bikes had to get delivered to their >homes in the shop truck because no one knew how to ride them. Didn't Mike Tyson buy a couple bikes from Rockville and then apply for a license?(and soon after dump one and mangle himself) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 00:56:02 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20701 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12337 invoked from network); 16 Oct 1999 04:55:53 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1999 04:55:53 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA17960; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:58:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:58:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199910160458.AAA17960@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Almost Hit! On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:08:43 -0400 Dave Yates wrote: >Not really, senior citizens account for more traffic accidents than any other 2 >demographics of drivers. Don't tell the AARP I said that, they'll send all the >members to the stores when I go, getting in front of me & very slowly, writing >out of state checks for their goceries etc... What's scary is the story I saw on one of those news shows on this(think it was 48hrs). They said a senior citizen was involved in a fatal traffic accident in Florida every day(on average). They even followed this one old dude and watched him almost tag someone. They gave him an exam and made a chart that showed how bad his vision was. He said he thought it was time he turned in his license,but when they did a follow-up,he had kept it. They interviewed a state senitor who said that the AARP was such a powerfull lobbying force,that anyone voting to restrict seniors could kiss their political carreer in FL good-bye. Lovely. :-P The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 01:00:29 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20824 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14409 invoked from network); 16 Oct 1999 05:00:20 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1999 05:00:20 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA18243; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:02:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:02:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199910160502.BAA18243@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Helmet Life On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:44:45 -0400 Lisa Goddard wrote: >Somebody was asking about the life of helmets. Here's my 2 cents. A >friend just got a new Arai and I noticed that the words "five year >Warranty" were written on the box. Maybe that means something? A few years ago,one of the guys on rec.moto.harley was asking people to buy virtual drinks for his helmet. It was celebrating it's 21st birthday. As always,YMMV. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 01:13:48 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20985 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991016051911.21594.rocketmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:19:11 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: sprocket questions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirt, Louis is indeed corrct in what he says about using smaller diameter sprockets for front applications; however, most of the modern sportbikes seem to handle going down one tooth in the front without any adverse affects.... any more than that would probably be asking for trouble though...I haven't ever come across a street rider having any sorts of problems.... I have seen a few race bikes snap chains, but i would have no idea whether or not it was from lack of maintenance, smaller front sprocket, or what.... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 01:20:41 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21094 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991016052111.22499.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:21:11 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: sprocket questions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike, Yepper, it's real all right... remember reading a very informative article a number of years back about the chain/sprocket thing...maybe your cahin was still pretty new when you added the new sprocket?? Putting a new sprocket on a worn chain isn't as damaging as putting a new chain on worn sprockets... as sprockets wear, particularly on the higher hp bikes ridden hard, the teeth on the rear sprocket will begin to bend and hook over a bit... you put a new cain on a sprocket like that and it will eat the crap out of the chain rollers and make it *stretch* quite rapidly. (and no, chains don't technically stretch either ;-) but that's another topic) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 07:09:09 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29209 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:09:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2QODa04983 (3859) for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.ffe07f5.2539b6ab@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:08:27 EDT Subject: Vehicle assaults against riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 I've missed some of the comments made earlier under "There not just after motorbikes" so if I am repeating anything, I apologize. When confronted with road rage or vehicluar assault do not focus on anything EXCEPT the license number. As a former cop I can tell you that the license number is THE most important thing. I Keep a permanant marker on my bike and write the number down on the tank or windshield at the first hint of trouble. Once I have the number I deal with the problem as the situation dictates - but I make it a deliberate, conscious effort to focus on getting down the license number first. .Bill Gawthrop ABATE of Maryland Anne Arundel County Chapter From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 10:18:15 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01627 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2j6q4 (209-122-205-71.s71.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.205.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12648; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501bf17fa$1acd7ac0$47cd7ad1@m2j6q4> From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" , "Mark" Subject: Year round riding Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:15:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I too currently own only a motorcycle and for the first time plan to keep it that way through winter. That decision came after last year where i rode all winter and found only four days which were totally unridable for me - either ice on the road, a good amount of uncleared snowy roads on my route, or way too cold (below 10 deg F). The year before was even easier. This year I'm planning on getting better gloves and an electric liner for my Darien jacket so that should make things better too. In all I figure that even if there are 8-10 days like this this winter its still cheaper and easier to either rent a car or get a taxi than keep a car just for this. I can always hitch rides with friends too. Also remember that on those especially nasty icy/snowy days 90% of this metropolitan is closed and you don't really have to be anywhere. Just make sure you're wearing the right winter and protection gear. Niv DR650 DC From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 10:35:05 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01841 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-57-61.s61.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.57.61]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10047 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38088CF5.43C05E0@erols.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:34:30 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken Woods wrote: > I never will understand why people bitch about analog connections. > Do you really understand what you're doing?? > Get a dedicated, digital, connection. xDSL, FR, DS1, or even ISDN. While I was not one of the ones bitching, I might be able to help you understand why some people have analog connections. I have three kids (one in college), a single income, and a racing budget to try to maintain. I can just barely afford to use the phone lines, let alone another $50 or $60 per month for a high speed line. Do you really understand that different people have different situations to deal with? Tim MSF#21769 CCS#432 WERA#430 -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 13:22:21 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04015 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-139-114.s368.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.139.114]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02784 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:21:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991016131809.00b9cbe0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:20:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: sprocket questions & GUNS In-Reply-To: <19991016052111.22499.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:21 AM 10/16/1999 , Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Mike, >Yepper, it's real all right... remember reading a very informative >article a number of years back about the chain/sprocket thing...maybe >your cahin was still pretty new when you added the new sprocket?? >Putting a new sprocket on a worn chain isn't as damaging as putting a >new chain on worn sprockets... I was just playing devil's advocate. I understand the reasons behind replacing sprockets and chains at the same time (unless one of the two have very low wear). Just wondered if there was any statistical proof. So many people offer their opinions as fact, and incorrect info can get passed along. FYI - I just completed a gun safety course, and go for my concealed carry permit this week. Paging Kirt S.....you didn't show up...... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 14:59:36 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05328 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA04775; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:59:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: "Kirt S." cc: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII He wasn't there, and the rumor mill says he's not going to be back. For 18 to 24 months, depending on behavior. *ahem* FYI. On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Ken Woods wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Kirt S. wrote: > > Also, KEN, did you talk to that guy about the silly deal on D207s? > > I ain't seen him down at Checkers in a few weeks. I'll look again tonight. > > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 18:15:56 1999 Return-Path: jhargett@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07911 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhargett.loudoun.com (leesburg-144.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FJP00A0EV5PH6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:07:58 -0400 From: Greg Hargett Subject: Help with EX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jhargett@XXXXXX Message-id: <3808F73E.7BA@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a serious problem.... I filled my tank about a week ago and just got back on it today. I rode it for about 6 miles (10 minutes), and turned it off to go into a store. I come out of the store and try to start it and the battery was dead. I get a jump and now the bike sputters when ever I give it gas. It also dies right out when I turn on the choke. My question is where and how do I start to fix this problem. I have never had any problems with it what so ever.... Oh yeah, it is an 87 EX500 Thanks in advance. John From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 19:46:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09013 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16586 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA09350 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991016234622.21694.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:46:22 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Helmet life To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just another plug for the guy that does me right... Duane Griffith at Dixie Cycles is an Arai dealer and has been giving folks some really killer deals on quantum/ e's last I heard... I wear Bell's, so I can't give you his current price on the Arai's, but he's worth the phone call... (318) 368-3100 Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 21:49:51 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10459 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user32.anent.com [208.195.115.32]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA09563; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: <005901bf1842$1754ba00$2073c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , References: <3808F73E.7BA@loudoun.com> Subject: Re: Help with EX Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:47:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Most likely it's the battery. When they go bad it can seem like the whole electrical system is on the fritz. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Hargett To: Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 6:07 PM Subject: Help with EX > I have a serious problem.... I filled my tank about a week ago and just > got back on it today. I rode it for about 6 miles (10 minutes), and > turned it off to go into a store. I come out of the store and try to > start it and the battery was dead. I get a jump and now the bike > sputters when ever I give it gas. It also dies right out when I turn on > the choke. My question is where and how do I start to fix this problem. > I have never had any problems with it what so ever.... Oh yeah, it is an > 87 EX500 > > Thanks in advance. > > John > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 16 22:41:21 1999 Return-Path: k_d_mueller@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f303.hotmail.com [209.185.130.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA11070 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55646 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 1999 02:40:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19991017024047.55645.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.139.86 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:40:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.139.86] From: "Karl Mueller" To: jhargett@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help with EX Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:40:47 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >. I get a jump and now the bike >sputters when ever I give it gas. It also dies right out when I turn on >the choke. My question is where and how do I start to fix this problem. >I have never had any problems with it what so ever.... Oh yeah, it is an >87 EX500 Yah, it's probably the battery. If the tach is very messed up (i.e. it flutters wildly when just idling) and the bike idles rough the battery is dead or near it. When I forgot to tighten my battery bolts on my EX, it would die, i push-started it, and it would run very badly (i think it's the electronic ignition). --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 02:24:07 1999 Return-Path: jellyfarmer@XXXXXX Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA14649 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 02:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991017063711.13053.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.76.201.196] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:37:11 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Wakefield Subject: Re: Help with EX To: jhargett@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Greg Hargett wrote: > I have a serious problem.... I filled my tank about a week ago and > just > got back on it today. I rode it for about 6 miles (10 minutes), and > turned it off to go into a store. Hm. I'm impressed that you could ride a tank that far. Dave ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 05:13:04 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA16984 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:13:03 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 02:14:24 -0700 Received: from ip248.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.248] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A4618381B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 02:14:23 -0700 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:10:20 GMT Message-ID: <3809bc3f.263296269@eriss.com> References: <38088CF5.43C05E0@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <38088CF5.43C05E0@erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A514D-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC Or the fact that there are no high speed services currently available in some places. "even ISDN". : ) Daniel - 56k slow data boy :)=20 On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:34:30 -0400, you wrote: |>Ken Woods wrote: |> |>> I never will understand why people bitch about analog connections. |>> Do you really understand what you're doing?? |> |>> Get a dedicated, digital, connection. xDSL, FR, DS1, or even ISDN. |> |>While I was not one of the ones bitching, I might be able to help |>you understand why some people have analog connections. I have |>three kids (one in college), a single income, and a racing budget to |>try to maintain. I can just barely afford to use the phone lines, let |>alone another $50 or $60 per month for a high speed line. |> |>Do you really understand that different people have different = situations |> |>to deal with? |> |>Tim |>MSF#21769 |>CCS#432 |>WERA#430 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 08:22:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19178 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA19218 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:22:08 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25946 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:28:10 -0700 Received: from ip248.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.248] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A4619381B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:28:10 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: electric motorized bike Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:24:05 GMT Message-ID: <3809e9d9.274972669@eriss.com> References: <19991016234622.21694.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <19991016234622.21694.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A5173-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC this thing looks cool: =20 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D180846450 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 11:41:56 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22353 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id LAA25486; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider In-Reply-To: <3809bc3f.263296269@eriss.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You both missed the point: If connectivity to the internet is important enough that one feels the need to bitch about dropped connections, perhaps a digital connection would be in order. Ken http://www.kens.com/bandwidth "temper, temper!!!" On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Or the fact that there are no high speed services currently available > in some places. "even ISDN". : ) > > Daniel > - 56k slow data boy :) > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:34:30 -0400, you wrote: > > |>Ken Woods wrote: > |> > |>> I never will understand why people bitch about analog connections. > |>> Do you really understand what you're doing?? > |> > |>> Get a dedicated, digital, connection. xDSL, FR, DS1, or even ISDN. > |> > |>While I was not one of the ones bitching, I might be able to help > |>you understand why some people have analog connections. I have > |>three kids (one in college), a single income, and a racing budget to > |>try to maintain. I can just barely afford to use the phone lines, let > |>alone another $50 or $60 per month for a high speed line. > |> > |>Do you really understand that different people have different situations > |> > |>to deal with? > |> > |>Tim > |>MSF#21769 > |>CCS#432 > |>WERA#430 > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 12:07:22 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22723 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [165.247.96.251] (user-2iveo7r.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.251]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07050 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910171607.MAA07050@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:10:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider From: "John Whiteside" To: DC Cycles Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > You both missed the point: > > If connectivity to the internet is important enough that one feels the > need to bitch about dropped connections, perhaps a digital connection > would be in order. Could it be that it's not important enough for the extra cost... but we all just like to bitch about things, so we are? --- John Whiteside whitesidej@XXXXXX OR johnwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 13:15:51 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23606 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-131-33.s33.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.33]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14581 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:15:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991017131023.00b7c810@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:15:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Threatened? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed So....I learned in my concealed carry class (masque as a gun safety course) that I can't really pull out my gun unless I am facing imminent bodily harm, or someone else is facing probable imminent bodily harm. So here is the MC related question. If I am cruising along and truck comes up on me real fast....and tries to run me off the road....am I not facing imminent bodily harm? Lets say I can get away from the situation - speed off and elude the maniac. If I were to shoot at him - obviously I would go to jail. But what if I couldn't get away....say he had me pinned between a couple of tractor trailers and there was no shoulder to escape on.....then could I shoot him? These are hypothetical questions of course. None of us would ever be in that situation (I hope) just curious how the law may interpret it..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 14:04:40 1999 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24147 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA28221; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: John Whiteside cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Non-moto. Re: Low Dollar Internet Provider In-Reply-To: <199910171607.MAA07050@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, John Whiteside wrote: > Could it be that it's not important enough for the extra cost... but > we all just like to bitch about things, so we are? Sure John, whatever. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX acm@XXXXXX is an idiot. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 15:11:23 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25014 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling-134.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FJR00F1THA3IZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:11:01 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: then could I shoot him? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <006b01bf18ec$7f90ae80$862fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <4.2.0.58.19991017131023.00b7c810@mail.troutman.org> X-Priority: 3 Wow! Riding one handed down the road, boxed in by 40 tons of rolling steel, drawing a firearm from inside a zipped jacket and shooting an assailant in the head, aiming with the wrong hand ( assuming you're right handed). You should be in the movies or somethin . . . lol! :-) Jonathan Broga PS - being that these situations are fairly numerous (needing to shoot a driver), its probably well worth worrying about too . . .. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 15:25:55 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25191 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-131-33.s33.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.131.33]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14857 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:25:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991017152024.00ba1190@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:23:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: then could I shoot him? (Threatened?) In-Reply-To: <006b01bf18ec$7f90ae80$862fbccc@default> References: <4.2.0.58.19991017131023.00b7c810@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:11 PM 10/17/1999 , jambroga wrote: >Wow! Riding one handed down the road, boxed in by 40 tons of rolling steel, >drawing a firearm from inside a zipped jacket and shooting an assailant in >the head, aiming with the wrong hand ( assuming you're right handed). You >should be in the movies or somethin . . . lol! :-) > >Jonathan Broga > >PS - being that these situations are fairly numerous (needing to shoot a >driver), its probably well worth worrying about too . . .. Heh - slow list day, and it was a purely hypothetical question. Lots of talk on the VFR list (and this one earlier) of kicking peoples cars for traffic infractions (as well as physical altercations occuring at stoplights). Just for the record, my CC permit is just so I can carry while hiking. Now back to our regularly scheduled Chain lube threads..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 15:40:48 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25431 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:40:46 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:46:38 -0700 Received: from ip248.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.248] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A461B481B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:46:36 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Threatened? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:42:24 GMT Message-ID: <38134466.298157174@eriss.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19991017131023.00b7c810@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991017131023.00b7c810@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A518A-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC Interesting scenarios. I enjoy contemplating hypotheticals, as one day, you may find yourself prepared for the improbable scenario that happens.. that and it's a kin to philosophizing : ) On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:15:12 -0400, you wrote: |>If I am cruising along and truck comes up on me real fast....and tries = to=20 |>run me off the road....am I not facing imminent bodily harm? Personally I'd say yes.. but you have no guarantee a prosecutor or cop would see it that way... Of course if you just were in a fist fight with the guy, at the last stop, that's a whole different scenario. =20 But just because he drove in a manner that almost ran you off the road, doesn't mean he meant to do it. You really wouldn't want to pull a gun out to scare a driver away only to see he's on his cell phone. Then what, he calls the cops and you're the one in big trouble, I believe merely pointing a gun at someone is assault. |>Lets say I can get away from the situation - speed off and elude the=20 |>maniac. If I were to shoot at him - obviously I would go to jail. Even if you can't, who's to say they won't THINK you could have, and send you to jail. |>But what if I couldn't get away....say he had me pinned between a = couple of=20 |>tractor trailers and there was no shoulder to escape on.....then could = I=20 |>shoot him? If you mean while riding, I doubt you could. I don't think you should even turn around to aim it at him, much less take the shot. Obviously if you're pinned in, there is no room for escape in front of you, so you have to be aware of what's in front of you so don't hit it, so that would prevent you from looking back and aiming.. You could have all kinds of things cause you to have an accident, and also to miss. The bullet could still go through the truck's windows and into someone's elses car. I know if i was driving a pickup and the bike in front of me aimed a gun at me, I'd crouch and bump his ass. If you mean stopped in traffic, be prepared to hop off the bike. I wouldn't even display the gun until you saw him exit his vehicle with something like a tire iron or other weapon type object. I personally wouldn't move, i'd get off the bike and walk to the front of my bike, until the asshole went around, or got out and tried to approach me. No way i'd want that asshole still behind me on the road again only to play more games with my life. I believe if you can't evade a person, pull over. I'd rather confront someone person to person than constantly risk my life by having a cage tailgating me, ready to squish me should I have to jam on brakes for an emergency road hazzard. =20 If you can't evade, I'd just suggest, if they're tailgating you, put on the blinker as if to pull over, and graddually slow down to a stop (pulling over if possible). I figure it this way, if he's tailgating you at a high rate of speed, your saftey is already in his hands, and if you put on your blinker and start slowing down, chances are, he doesn't TRULY want to bump you/ rear end you.. even though he's pretty angry..=20 I think most likely he'd try to pull over too, thinking he was about to beat on you. Sure there is a huge possibility he will bump you, but like i said, you're saftey is already in his hands, and there's and you've got no where to go, no where to escape. If he's going to bump you, he's going to bump you, i'd rather being going slower than top speed. Me personally, i'd slow down a little, and bet he'd probably slow down a little, and continue that until I could pull over. Real world though, the bike will escape, but for theory, if I couldn't, that's what I'd do, rather than continue to ride unsafely. I ride a ninja 250 with a top end of 100 mph. Most cars have me beat on top end I believe, so I don't have the option of out running them on the top end. I have to beat them on the break away, and then find another solution because eventually they'll catch up. =20 What I plan on doing is trying to exit the road way. If that that isnt' an option, then my plan it to get some distance with hard accelleration, hit the should, grab some major brakes while he's still tryign to catch up, and exit the bike. Then deal with the road rager person to person rather than a heavy old cage vs me and my bike weighing under 500 pounds together. Ya know now that I think about it.. it might be good to carry some type of badge.. maybe one that says "private investigator" so that you're not impersonating a cop. If you hold that badge out, the guy will probably think you're a real cop and leave you alone. Unless the vehicle is stolen and he hates cops . I would think it's a hell of a lot safer to appear to be impersonating a cop to get some @#@er to stop risking your life, than to risk being=20 roadkill. I'd rather be charged with impersonating a cop, (you've got a hell of a defense case), than play risky games with any cager. |>These are hypothetical questions of course. None of us would ever be = in=20 |>that situation (I hope) just curious how the law may interpret it..... Of course I'm not the expert, just passing along some ideas to consider. I guess I just wanted to say make sure you're off the bike before you ever draw, I think that would help a lot. Also if you were off the bike, then you've potentially got the ability to back pedal away from the guy, that would help too, if you did have to shoot him. My guess is, said asshole would see you back stepping away from him and the bike, he'd probably think you were scared, and either keep coming towards you (in which case, it would be a good time to draw) or he'd kick your bike over, and that'd be a bitch, but hey you could get his tag #, and your damage would be the evidence, so it'd be a hell of a lot better trying to file charges against the guy for a few hundred dollars worth of damage, than having to pay thousands of dollars for a lawyer to be your defense, not to mention having to go to jail and put up your house, or post bond, maybe miss work, sadden your family. Of course I know this discussion is academic so.. it's been fun Also have no doubt you're more qualified a rider and shooter than I am I'd like to remove the scum from society, but i'm not going to risk my future doing it : ) =20 Daniel - former paranoid psychotic with delusions of granduer,=20 now just delusions with granduer and slight paranoia : ) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 15:45:10 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25536 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:45:09 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:49:59 -0700 Received: from ip248.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.248] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A461B781B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for plus 1 more; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:49:59 -0700 To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: then could I shoot him? (Threatened?) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:45:47 GMT Message-ID: <38155106.301389529@eriss.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19991017131023.00b7c810@mail.troutman.org> <4.2.0.58.19991017152024.00ba1190@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991017152024.00ba1190@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A518C-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:23:53 -0400, you wrote: |>Just for the record, my CC permit is just so I can carry while hiking. Just while hiking.. that sucks.. maybe you can get it upgraded :) |>Now back to our regularly scheduled Chain lube threads..... what chain lube, oh my, is my face red, I just replied to the thread. Daniel=20 -92 ex250 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 18:30:05 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27640 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oVEIpcCm5_ (4533); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.52ffaa8d.253ba7a4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:28:52 EDT Subject: Re: Threatened? To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 << But what if I couldn't get away....say he had me pinned between a couple of tractor trailers and there was no shoulder to escape on.....then could I shoot him? These are hypothetical questions of course. None of us would ever be in that situation (I hope) just curious how the law may interpret it.....>> As a responding officer, I would ask the following questions: a. Where is your permit to carry a gun? b. Are you currently, actively pursuing the business used to justify the permit? (E.G, Brinks guards can carry, but not after duty hours, in a bar) c. Are there any laws (any laws) that are being violated by your carrying the gun? d. Is the person you shot guilty of any offense that if convicted by a court would or could result in a death penalty (use of deadly force). If not, you explain the use of deadly force? e. If the shot were fired in self defense (including self defense of another) did you use all reasonable means to withdraw from the situation before the situation turned deadly. (In other words, did you hang around waiting for a chance to use the shooting iron.) f. Were you in a situation, although extreme, that could be reasonable expected to occur during the course of your activities (i.e., getting trapped between two vehicle although scary, happens when you take to the road way and do lane splitting...a Don't Shoot situation) g. Did the person INTEND to KILL you (and I mean clearly demonstrate malicious intent as opposed to being either stupid out of season or under an allergic reaction to mis-prescribed drugs (i.e., penicillin reaction). (Remember, the death penalty is not administered to your attacker even if convicted for wanting to either scare the sh** out of you or just want's to bust you up. He gets jail time, not the chair. Your use of deadly force is/may be ruled excessive force). h. Assuming that shots are fired; did you shoot to stop or shoot to kill? (There is a difference) You are responsible for your stray shots including the ones that cause collateral damage, injury. i. How are you going to transition from self defense situation to a surrender situation to the police. Remember, the police are responding to a "Shots fired" situation and who are they going to see with a gun? Need to think thru the surrender process so that you do not become "an accident" . (Hum, shots fired, came on the scene, biker with a gun.....) h. Times to use a gun: a. Self Defense (or defense of another)(best scenario is home defense where you have the moral high ground) b. Against another who has a gun and c. he has fired the first shot. i. A cop has a duty to press forward into the situation to resolve it. A citizen has no such duty AND IF he does press forward to resolve a situation (and there is a long but de-emphasized tradition of the public protecting itself called community involvement), the burden of proof rests with the citizen shooter. j. AFTER you pull the trigger and satisfactorily answer all the above questions, and IF you do not get nailed by a City or County Attorney, there is the specter of a civil suit. 1. Cops are insulated from civil suits for clean shootings 2. You are not.Your situation really deterioriates if the shooting is not clean) k. Scenario: biker shoots who (bad guy, patient, inattentive driver????). The burden of proof is again going to be on the shooter .... and no matter how innocent you are, you will be placed in the same predicament as the innocent guy accused of rape. The more you protest your innocence, the guiltier you look. Having said all of this, I support gun ownership and believe that an armed public is a very, very polite public. I just wanted to convey some of these consideration BEFORE the round is fired - hypothetically. Bill Gawthrop US Military Vets M/C (We are recruiting) Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 18:57:02 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28001 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:57:01 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2OURa22487 (4447) for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.3d035fca.253bae19@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:56:25 EDT Subject: Moto Guzzi? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I have become fascinated with the Moto Guzzi Jackel. Anybody out there currently have a late model Guzzi? Opinions/comments/ pro/con. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 19:27:21 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28417 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-38.patriot.net [209.249.180.38]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15026; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:27:16 -0400 Message-ID: <380A59D4.86E494B3@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:20:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gil Nissley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! References: <199910160448.AAA17285@musone.chek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, except for the license. I seem to recall that Mike T. dumped one of the three and was cited for not having a permit. He was probably so pissed that he went home and beat up his wife. Bill Gil Nissley wrote: > > Didn't Mike Tyson buy a couple bikes from Rockville and then apply for a license?(and soon after dump one and mangle himself) > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > > Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: > http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 21:21:05 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29868 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:21:04 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:26:57 -0700 Received: from ip248.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.248] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A461E581B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:26:55 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:22:40 GMT Message-ID: <380aa05c.321702184@eriss.com> References: <199910160448.AAA17285@musone.chek.com> <380A59D4.86E494B3@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <380A59D4.86E494B3@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A51C1-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC I think tyson fell asleep on a bike.. probably riding while on proscribed medication to keep him from punching people out. On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:20:52 -0400, you wrote: |>Right, except for the license. I seem to recall that Mike T. dumped = one of the three and was cited for not having a permit. He was |>probably so pissed that he went home and beat up his wife. |> |>Bill |> |>Gil Nissley wrote: |> |>> |>> Didn't Mike Tyson buy a couple bikes from Rockville and then apply = for a license?(and soon after dump one and mangle himself) |>> |>> The BuellBoy Emeritus. |>> |>> dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> |>> |>> '98 Dyna Convertible |>> |>> Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: |>> http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 21:22:31 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from mail.eriss.com (extern.adnc.com [206.251.235.181] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29883 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:22:30 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: by mail.eriss.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:28:24 -0700 Received: from ip248.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.248] by mail.eriss.com [206.251.235.181] (SLmail 3.2.3113) with SMTP id 28A461E681B211D3B2E600A0C96925BC for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:28:24 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:24:08 GMT Message-ID: <380ba0d6.321824514@eriss.com> References: <199910160448.AAA17285@musone.chek.com> <380A59D4.86E494B3@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <380A59D4.86E494B3@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SLUIDL: 530A51C2-81B211D3-B2E600A0-C96925BC btw what kinds of bikes did he buy? On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:20:52 -0400, you wrote: |>Right, except for the license. I seem to recall that Mike T. dumped = one of the three and was cited for not having a permit. He was |>probably so pissed that he went home and beat up his wife. |> |>Bill |> |>Gil Nissley wrote: |> |>> |>> Didn't Mike Tyson buy a couple bikes from Rockville and then apply = for a license?(and soon after dump one and mangle himself) |>> |>> The BuellBoy Emeritus. |>> |>> dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> |>> |>> '98 Dyna Convertible |>> |>> Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: |>> http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 17 22:29:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00829 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991018023426.19129.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:34:26 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: sort of moto gun thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Outright, I think Mike's hypothetical situation is a no shoot situation. You do hav options... slow down and pull off.. or worst case if it appears he wants to maliciously hit you, there is always room to zip through the simeis blocking the road (scary, but better than rammed from behind). As for Mr. Gawthrop's comments, what the hell does the death penalty for the intended offense have anything to do with shoot or don't shoot situation??? The general rule that I've seen in every state I've been stationed in is that you have the right to protect yourself and/or another person in the event that there is imminent life threatening danger assuming you've made every attempt to remove yourself from the situation (i.e. get off the bike and run like hell into the woods). The only place there is a bit of leniany to that is in the home, where you should still make attempts to get out of the situation, but you don't have to run away from the home. Also, remember that some crappy ass states don't even have the death penalty, or are very rare to use it, even for grizzly murders. One of my favorite quotes is that I'd rather be tried by 12 rather than carried by six. And dead men don't sue! Assuming, had played by the rules and my only option is that I have to use my weapon, it is very very likely that I have placed myself in a superior defense position, and I don't miss when I pull the trigger :) As you mentioned, you are ultimately responsible for your actions. That doesn't just mean with a weapon.. it means with your bike, your cage, everything.... but I'm preaching to the wrong crowd here... DCC types seem to be a much more responsible dult group than your average joe cellphone using cager. I'm not exactly familiar with VA's rules, but a lot of states allow an open carry without a permit, while other states strictly forbid it. I used to have a very sweet thigh holster (similar to what certain military forces use) that was perfect for comfortably carrying my 45 on the side.... ALWAYS had that with me when out hunting. Collin ps: For those that know the situation.... PEPE is finally inspected and should have a real legal tag on him by the time Ihead ya'lls way for turkey day!! Stay tuned for a long ride over that time period!! ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 06:50:03 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08987 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id GAA04383; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id GAA13668; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <45PQ0019>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:48:02 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F3095@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Cc: "'gixer_racer@XXXXXX'" , "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'jbroga@XXXXXX'" Subject: finally got the scanner working again Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:47:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Summit Point pics taken on a Saturday a long, long time ago: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=83414&a=835571 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 07:36:18 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09984 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id EAA28118 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:36:09 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:36:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: sort of moto gun thread Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:36:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >ps: For those that know the situation.... PEPE is finally inspected and >should have a real legal tag on him by the time Ihead ya'lls way for >turkey day!! The end of an era (sniff) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 07:58:21 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10245 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-185.patriot.net [209.249.180.185]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA19438; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:58:15 -0400 Message-ID: <380B09D6.EC722432@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:51:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sort of moto gun thread References: <19991018023426.19129.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I always pack my *gun*. Course, I always pack Trojan brand gun muzzles for safe shooting. BTW - dead men can sue - in the form of thier estate. Bill Make love not war. Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Outright, I think Mike's hypothetical situation is a no shoot > situation. You do hav options... slow down and pull off.. or worst > case if it appears he wants to maliciously hit you, there is always > room to zip through the simeis blocking the road (scary, but better > than rammed from behind). > > As for Mr. Gawthrop's comments, what the hell does the death penalty > for the intended offense have anything to do with shoot or don't shoot > situation??? The general rule that I've seen in every state I've been > stationed in is that you have the right to protect yourself and/or > another person in the event that there is imminent life threatening > danger assuming you've made every attempt to remove yourself from the > situation (i.e. get off the bike and run like hell into the woods). > The only place there is a bit of leniany to that is in the home, where > you should still make attempts to get out of the situation, but you > don't have to run away from the home. Also, remember that some crappy > ass states don't even have the death penalty, or are very rare to use > it, even for grizzly murders. > > One of my favorite quotes is that I'd rather be tried by 12 rather than > carried by six. And dead men don't sue! Assuming, had played by the > rules and my only option is that I have to use my weapon, it is very > very likely that I have placed myself in a superior defense position, > and I don't miss when I pull the trigger :) > > As you mentioned, you are ultimately responsible for your actions. > That doesn't just mean with a weapon.. it means with your bike, your > cage, everything.... but I'm preaching to the wrong crowd here... DCC > types seem to be a much more responsible dult group than your average > joe cellphone using cager. > > I'm not exactly familiar with VA's rules, but a lot of states allow an > open carry without a permit, while other states strictly forbid it. I > used to have a very sweet thigh holster (similar to what certain > military forces use) that was perfect for comfortably carrying my 45 on > the side.... ALWAYS had that with me when out hunting. > > Collin > ps: For those that know the situation.... PEPE is finally inspected and > should have a real legal tag on him by the time Ihead ya'lls way for > turkey day!! Stay tuned for a long ride over that time period!! > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 08:00:20 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10297 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:00:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199910180800.AA110756224@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Reporting Aggressive Driving X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: James Hoofnagle > On the topic of aggressive driving; Does this mean we can report the >morons who think since they're speeding (56 mph) they can live in the left >lane? It's not illegal to drive in the left lane, faster than the minimum speed and up to the speed limit. It IS illegal, however, to fail to yield once traffic behind signals audibly or with lights. Of course, even if it isn't illegal, blocking the left lane might be considered aggressive driving (passive-aggressive driving?) -- I'd like to know what Fairfax County has to say about it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 09:02:46 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11063 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:02:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 4BHAa01794 (4557); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.70931446.253c744c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:02:04 EDT Subject: Re: Reporting Aggressive Driving To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/18/99 8:04:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << It's not illegal to drive in the left lane, faster than the minimum speed and up to the speed limit. >> Actually, someone quoted Va. traffic regulations which indicated that vehicles in the left lane were required to pull into the right lane when appproached and signalled by a vehicle that wanted to pass. I still think European law is the best. Left lane is only for passing, that's the best way to handle it. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 09:20:28 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11360 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18365 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <46GRLY7F>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:21:53 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8881@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:21:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, hard-rockin' posers, what next? Mike 82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: MotorLE@XXXXXX [mailto:MotorLE@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 9:50 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! >Dear lord. Metallica on VH1? Isn't this the first sign of the apocalypse? I thought the first sign of the apocalypse was when the band bought new Harleys at Bob Dron's in Oakland, and the bikes had to get delivered to their homes in the shop truck because no one knew how to ride them. Well ok, I didn't actually see this, but it was sure the rumor. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 09:57:37 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11885 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA20362; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:57:29 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:35:46 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF194C.2803A680.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Michael Jay'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: RE: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:35:45 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I was watching VH1's "behind the drug-habit" or whatever that expose and they were doing Vanilla Ice and I had too much to drink and couldn't change the channel without endangering myself (see kids, DON'T DRINK AND REMOTE!) but they showed tape of him campaigning both a motocrosser and a 600 supersport. Unfortunately, riveting shots of race action gave way to more critical post-rehab-tearful-questioning-and-new-album-plug session. Must admit, the new speed-metal version of "Ice Ice Baby" made me rethink my approach to millennium-apocalypse theory :) Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - parking stop to a &)*%&( Ford Escort AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "In the Parade of Life, some folks are born to sit on the curb and clap." Wow, hard-rockin' posers, what next? Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 10:41:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12469 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25136 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26273 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20121 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:40:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991018103936.01a7c910@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:40:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Wind Fade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts were fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 10:46:11 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12586 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991018150043.27167.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:00:43 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Really ride all year? To: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, I'm one of the year-round commuters on the list. If you could commute year-round in NYC, you'll have no problems doing that here. There isn't as much salt on the roads as up there, so given the same temps, there will be more ice here. But the temps aren't the same, it's quite a bit warmer here. Leon. --- Mark wrote: > How many of you ride all year? >not a problem > in NYC ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 10:54:53 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12677 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23391 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018901bf1978$20028830$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Cold Pavement... Re: Bit in the Ass Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:50:28 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In my opinion, and I may be wrong, "cold" pavement shouldn't make a difference in this case. Pavement, doesn't get "sticky" until it's really hot outside (and that's only if it's asphalt), so that should not have made a difference as far as what happened. Aside from the obivous heat-transfer that is always going on (heat from tires being transfered to anything that is colder, including the road and air), this may have just been a case of the SIDES of your tires being cold. Unless you had been taking some *serious* turns immediately prior to taking that turn in your neeighborhood, I imagine that they would have been pretty cold. Maybe I'm an idiot and babbling, but I think I might be (close to) correct on this. Kirt 99 F4 > Yeah, Me too. > About a week ago, coming home from a trip to dinner in Annapolis, > (about 1 AM and cold out) I took a right hander within one block of > home (Warm Tires, but cold road) and the front end did a stupifyingly > scary slide out- Did not go down, but had that sensation of not being > in control that we all dislike so much. I think I may have been > disrespectful of a painted line- I certainly have done that corner > many times at seemingly higher speeds, but I failed to plan on the > cold pavement variable. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 10:56:12 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12691 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24268 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019301bf1978$4f7e7240$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991018103936.01a7c910@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Wind Fade Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:51:50 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Wind sucked this morning on the beltway. Blew me all over on this one exit ramp. Nerve racking is right. Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 10:40 AM Subject: Wind Fade > Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts were > fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 11:06:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12915 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25325 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27513 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4KN3C09F>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:09:02 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2967@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "'Troutman'" Subject: RE: Wind Fade Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:05:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mike, I rode in today. I find myself pretty much "automatically" adjusting for cross wind gusts. I guess I got moved around in the lane a little bit, but not too much. I was taking it a little easy this a.m. as I just had new tires installed on Saturday and they're still not completely scuffed in. Cold roads and new tires (and a dash of wet leaves) is enough to make me take a little care... ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 10:41 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wind Fade Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts were fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 11:07:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12925 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25378 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27551 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA24094 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991018110450.00812350@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:04:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Re: Wind Fade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:40 AM 10/18/99 -0400, Troutman wrote: >Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts were >fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. I believe it! I'd make sure the bike isn't toppled over! I, fortunately, drove the cage today with a load of stuff for the transfer station. But, even it wanted to drift like mad! Take care out there, Bob Motorized: 97 VFR w/ Givi Or not: 99 Bianchi XL, 96 Klein Quantum II, 97 Santana Sovereign (tandem) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 11:13:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13032 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:13:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199910181113.AA53150212@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: Reporting Aggressive Driving X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Boiade@XXXXXX >In a message dated 10/18/99 8:04:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > ><< It's not illegal to drive in the left lane, faster than the minimum speed >and up to the speed limit. >> > >Actually, someone quoted Va. traffic regulations which indicated that >vehicles in the left lane were required to pull into the right lane when >appproached and signalled by a vehicle that wanted to pass. My statement is correct as written. If someone is OVERTAKING the left lane driver and SIGNALS, then and only then must the left lane driver move over (according to the unenforced law, anyway). :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 11:16:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13081 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25438 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28008 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:16:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199910181116.AA8847856@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Wind Fade X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts were >fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. I just rode the 14 St. bridges across the Potomac -- the Honda PC has AUTO-LEAN! Feel a gust, bike leans into it. Gust subsides, bike straightens up. I've read about it, now I've experienced it. Who says all that plastic doesn't have a function! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 11:18:41 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13091 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525680E.005451B7 ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:20:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Kirt S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525680E.00544E85.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:13:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Wind Fade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Glad I took the hubby's advice and drove the car in today. I was regretting it in the traffic, but now that I heard you guys, I'm grateful. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Kirt S." on 10/18/99 10:51:50 AM To: cc: Subject: Re: Wind Fade Wind sucked this morning on the beltway. Blew me all over on this one exit ramp. Nerve racking is right. Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 10:40 AM Subject: Wind Fade > Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts were > fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 11:35:21 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13414 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20372 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <46GRLZM1>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:36:41 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D8883@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Threatened? (somewhat moto) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:36:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Huh? > h. Assuming that shots are fired; did you shoot to stop or shoot to >kill? (There is a difference) You are responsible for your stray shots >including the ones that cause collateral damage, injury. Only one reason to discharge a firearm as I have never heard of a dead man yet who failed to stop. Like my daddy says, never draw if your intent is to bluff. No thank you, I think I'll pass on keeping a weapon around, too much responsibility and too much a pain to own. Remember, you only have you with you at all times and in all circumstances, ya know? Besides, I want both my hands on the grips to evade those crazy cages. Situation awareness with staying out of "the box" has saved me from being road kill far more than any application of self-defense ever has. Staying alive, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 11:47:35 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13604 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4KN3DAPM>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B296A@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wind Fade Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:45:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My two most memorable wind stories have nothing to do with riding my bike. Interestingly, both relate to my old Chevy LUV pickup (with utility shell.) The first time, coming East on old Rt 48 (before it became I-68) I was coming down off Sideling hill, or thereabouts and I hit a 90 degree right hand curve near the bottom. I was cruising about 65-70 mph and a cross wind gust hit me from the right side and blew me clear across the double yellow into the oncoming lane. Fortunately, it was a "center" lane for passing and the oncoming semi was in the right lane with no one passing him at that moment. Other than needing to do an "underwear check" immediately afterwards, everything was OK. The other time was commuting from downtown DC towards Oxon Hill. I was crossing the 11th street bridge when a gust hit me from the right side, broke the bolts on the right side of the shell and flipped it over so that it was sticking out, upside down, on the left side of the truck. As a result, I was blocking two lanes of traffic. I pulled as far to the right as possible and tried to flip the shell back over. Of course, with the wind blowing, I'd get it straight up and the wind would blow it back down again. Fortunately, a good Samaritan stopped to help. Between the two of us, we got it back over and I was able to tie it down to get home. I got a nice new trick fiberglass shell to replace the cheap-o aluminum one shortly thereafter. I have ridden the bike in heavy winds and other than having to keep the bike leaned over, never really had much trouble. I think one of the keys to handling strong winds, especially gusts, is to relax and not over-correct. The bike will tend to self-center if you let it. Perry From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 12:10:18 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13962 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29753; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <022001bf1982$a8cec7f0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , References: <005901bf1744$edaf5910$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <3807B54A.B3DD62E7@ix.netcom.com> <002601bf1752$6d912890$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <3807DC55.B838AFE3@ix.netcom.com> Subject: DIRT CHEAP tires.... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:05:55 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Chuck Pena is right...I just called and confirmed the price. For Bridgestone Battlax BT56SS 180/55ZR-17 94.95 + 7.00 shipping and handling. This is about the price I've seen other places advertising the front tires for. Sheesh... Kirt 99 F4 "needs me some new tires" _________________ _________________ Chapparal's phone is (800) 841-2960. Hours are M-F, 7:30am - 6:00pm Pacific Time. Their website is at http://www.chapparal-racing.com. I don't know what prices you're seeing where, but I do know Chapparal has the 180/55-17 rear advertised for ~$95. This is the cheapest I've seen anywhere. "Kirt S." wrote: > > > > > > > > First off...anyone seen any exceptionally good deals on a Battlax BT56SS 180/55R17 rear tire (for my F4) around? I've looked, but pretty much everyone has the same prices... From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 12:18:38 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14120 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2OWTkvNY8_ (4416) for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.c9a315f3.253ca23a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:18:02 EDT Subject: Wind fade To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Would it be correct to propose that the more "sport bike" oriented the machine is, the more likely it is to be affected by the wind, because of the quicker steering, smaller diameter wheels etc. Everything is a trade off. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 12:42:56 1999 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14497 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA16812 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:42:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vna-va15-35.ix.netcom.com(207.223.179.99) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016697; Mon Oct 18 11:41:46 1999 Message-ID: <380B78AD.CCE5620E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:44:45 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DIRT CHEAP tires.... References: <005901bf1744$edaf5910$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <3807B54A.B3DD62E7@ix.netcom.com> <002601bf1752$6d912890$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <3807DC55.B838AFE3@ix.netcom.com> <022001bf1982$a8cec7f0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirt et al, Glad I could be of help. I would also like to recommend that y'all check out Kiernan Racing Supply at http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/. Kevin has some of the lowest prices on just about everything you might want. I ordered my Bridgestone BT56SS tires from KRS rather than Chapparal because I was already ordering a bunch of stuff from KRS (and nobody could touch the prices on what I ordered, including a Yosh RS-3 full race exhaust). Kevin couldn't match Chapparal's price but he was able to get close enough that it was't worth my time and effort to buy the tires elsewhere. Chuck "Kirt S." wrote: > > Chuck Pena is right...I just called and confirmed the price. For > Bridgestone Battlax BT56SS 180/55ZR-17 94.95 + 7.00 shipping and handling. > This is about the price I've seen other places advertising the front tires > for. Sheesh... From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 13:15:25 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15124 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 18 Oct 1999 20:10:40 UT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:10 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Chuck Pena" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[:(Was) DIRT CHEAP tires... (Now) Kiernan Racing Message-ID: <19991018131312668-8475213@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can't say that I would recommend Kiernan Racing (although Jeannette and I used to). The last time that we ordered anything from him, our order was massively screwed. We tried to order two D207s, a 120/70ZR17 and a 160/60ZR17, for her VFR back in February. How hard could that be? I have not a clue but it must have been really tough because what we got instead was a D205 160/70ZR17 (Todd I still have this tire if you want it) and a D207 120/60ZR17. When I had Jeannette call back and try to figure out what the problem was all she got was that it will work without a problem! I had heard that getting money back from them was a joke so I ate the deal... but the taste was bitter. Moron! Last purchase I will ever make with them... Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: DIRT CHEAP tires.... Author: cvkgpena@XXXXXX (Chuck Pena) Date: 10/18/1999 3:44 PM Kirt et al, Glad I could be of help. I would also like to recommend that y'all check out Kiernan Racing Supply at http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/. Kevin has some of the lowest prices on just about everything you might want. I ordered my Bridgestone BT56SS tires from KRS rather than Chapparal because I was already ordering a bunch of stuff from KRS (and nobody could touch the prices on what I ordered, including a Yosh RS-3 full race exhaust). Kevin couldn't match Chapparal's price but he was able to get close enough that it was't worth my time and effort to buy the tires elsewhere. Chuck "Kirt S." wrote: > > Chuck Pena is right...I just called and confirmed the price. For > Bridgestone Battlax BT56SS 180/55ZR-17 94.95 + 7.00 shipping and handling. > This is about the price I've seen other places advertising the front tires > for. Sheesh... From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 13:16:48 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.45]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15153 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id NAA24461 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id NAA11358; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4Z21Y5RQ>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:16:11 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F309A@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: If I had money... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:16:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain I know my tastes are not usually mainstream, but isn't this a beautiful bike? http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=83414&a=841331 Dem Eye-talians sure do make 'em purty. Rich '78 Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 13:50:05 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15741 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13596 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <027701bf1990$9ac80cd0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <00e701bf1732$0b4ccf10$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Subject: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:45:42 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This neoprene balalclava RULES. Plus I look like a ninja...hehe (the assasin, not the bike). While the fabric is thin and stretchy for the most part, it's surprisingly warm and wind resistant. The neoprene section goes under you eyes and down to your chin. It has a slit cut out (horizontaly) that fits over the bridge of your nose, and small holes in front of your mouth for breathing and such. Nice and warm. And, I was in and out of CP in about 5 minutes. Woo HOO! Kirt 99 F4 > I'm actually going to give Coleman Powersport my money for one of these > Balaclavas... Merely because they have one that has a NEOPRENE face > section. For the unintiated, neoprene is good shit in the cold. They use > it in all sorts of winter gear for keeping cold, wind out. I'll let you > know how it works out. They are like 15 bucks or so. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 14:04:51 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15886 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA4164949; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380B6114.11A787E5@radix.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:04:04 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... References: <00e701bf1732$0b4ccf10$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <027701bf1990$9ac80cd0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kirt S." wrote: > This neoprene balalclava RULES. Plus I look like a ninja...hehe (the > assasin, not the bike). Not trying to start anything, but - aren't they illegal (to wear in public) in Va. ? -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer Extraordinaire Soza & Company, Ltd. (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 14:08:31 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15965 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6gs (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22233; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02bd01bf1993$2d712560$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Dave Yates" Cc: References: <00e701bf1732$0b4ccf10$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <027701bf1990$9ac80cd0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <380B6114.11A787E5@radix.net> Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:04:10 -0400 Organization: RCN/Erol's Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Kick ass...I hope so. Then I could sue CP for selling an illegal balaclava to me. Why would they be illegal though? Kirt 99 F4 > Not trying to start anything, but - aren't they illegal (to wear in public) in > Va. ? From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 14:39:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16491 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA18131 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20942 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:24:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991018142245.0153df00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:24:25 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... In-Reply-To: <027701bf1990$9ac80cd0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> References: <00e701bf1732$0b4ccf10$4a5f800a@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:45 PM 10/18/99 , Kirt S. wrote: >This neoprene balalclava RULES. Plus I look like a ninja...hehe (the >assasin, not the bike). While the fabric is thin and stretchy for the most >part, it's surprisingly warm and wind resistant. The neoprene section goes >under you eyes and down to your chin. It has a slit cut out (horizontaly) >that fits over the bridge of your nose, and small holes in front of your >mouth for breathing and such. Nice and warm. And, I was in and out of CP >in about 5 minutes. Woo HOO! Bought mine at Gallahans on Saturday. $9 - cotton mix, but still very warm and wind resistant. And while I was there...I was a little too tempted and picked up another gun - Beretta .32. That store is awesome. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 14:39:38 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16489 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA18187 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA4092195 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380B661E.662D93AD@radix.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:25:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... References: <00e701bf1732$0b4ccf10$4a5f800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <027701bf1990$9ac80cd0$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <380B6114.11A787E5@radix.net> <02bd01bf1993$2d712560$9a5e800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kirt S." wrote: > Why would they be illegal though? > I think it's wearing ski masks & such - makes the convenience store guys nervous. Seriously, I know there is some type of law about this in the commonwealth. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer Extraordinaire Soza & Company, Ltd. (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 14:54:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16735 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199910181454.AA27197934@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kirt S." >Kick ass...I hope so. Then I could sue CP for selling an illegal balaclav= a >to me. Why would they be illegal though? Illegal to wear a mask in public (see below). Looks like we'd be exempt ba= sed on it being a protective mask for safety. But that wouldn't work if yo= u left it on as you walked into a 7-11 to pay for your gas! That's one of the reason I like the flip-front helmets. I walked into my b= ank one day while wearing my full face helmet. EVERYBODY did a noticable s= tartle-then-freeze. I took the helmet off before I walked any further into= the bank! A friend told me he found out it's illegal to wear a helmet in = an Australian bank, but he wouldn't give me any of the details. :-) Chris Norloff =A7 18.2-422 (from http://leg1.state.va.us/) Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing= any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of t= he wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from th= e owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wear= ing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which a= re deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or m= asquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed physician or os= teopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity for wearing the dev= ice and the date on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device. The vi= olation of any provisions of this section shall constitute a Class 6 felony. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 15:12:23 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17046 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA24773 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oalre007 (h100-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.100]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id OAA11897 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:11:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01BF197B.73A92540.matte@savvis.net> From: Matt Elliott Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:14:18 -0400 Organization: SAVVIS X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 39 TEXT Guns, balalclavas, what else do you need? On colemans - is it still the majority who thinks it's a bad idea to shop there, and even worse idea to get bikes fixed there? Matt, who is going to a 'cager' bike - 4wheel atv, and wondering the best place to pick one up. Right now the shop is Blalock Cycle in Warrenton (there's a little bit of redneck in all of us) -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 2:24 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... At 01:45 PM 10/18/99 , Kirt S. wrote: >This neoprene balalclava RULES. Plus I look like a ninja...hehe (the >assasin, not the bike). While the fabric is thin and stretchy for the most >part, it's surprisingly warm and wind resistant. The neoprene section goes >under you eyes and down to your chin. It has a slit cut out (horizontaly) >that fits over the bridge of your nose, and small holes in front of your >mouth for breathing and such. Nice and warm. And, I was in and out of CP >in about 5 minutes. Woo HOO! Bought mine at Gallahans on Saturday. $9 - cotton mix, but still very warm and wind resistant. And while I was there...I was a little too tempted and picked up another gun - Beretta .32. That store is awesome. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 15:48:03 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17568 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:48:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id aZOJa29634 (4249); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.3aa40fdf.253cd2e1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:45:37 EDT Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 10/18/99 1:57:52 PM, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: >This neoprene balalclava RULES. Plus I look like a ninja might have to git me one a them there thangs ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 15:49:27 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17578 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 4KNVa29482 (4249); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.bd2627d3.253cd3a1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:48:49 EDT Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 10/18/99 3:02:08 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: >Illegal to wear a mask in public (see below). Looks like we'd be exempt >based on it being a protective mask for safety. But that wouldn't work >if you left it on as you walked into a 7-11 to pay for your gas! 7-11 sells gas? :D you know, it gives an exemption for wearing traditional holiday costumes, but doesn't state that you have be wearing it DURING the actual hoilday ... so I guess I could legally enter a 7-11 with an easter bunny outfit? ;D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 16:06:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17958 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00569 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:06:17 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11469 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oCEJGKIJw_ (4249); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.f5979d7f.253cd23b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:42:51 EDT Subject: Re: Wind Fade To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I once took a harley trip acros the mojave desert (among other locations) ... as you approach Palm Springs from L.A. direction, there is a field of windmills (for generating electricity I guess) because the wind that blows across that area is SO strong .... it was all we could do to even keep the bike on the (2 lane) road at all! fortunately there wasn't any traffic :D Marcy In a message dated 10/18/99 10:48:40 AM, mike@XXXXXX writes: >Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts >were >fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 16:19:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18110 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00857 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13137 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA18342; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Fade In-Reply-To: <0.f5979d7f.253cd23b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > I once took a harley trip acros the mojave desert (among other > locations) ... as you approach Palm Springs from L.A. direction, > there is a field of windmills (for generating electricity I guess) > because the wind that blows across that area is SO strong .... it was > all we could do to even keep the bike on the (2 lane) road at all! > fortunately there wasn't any traffic :D Been there, done that, but from the opposite direction. At 140-150mph. Coming around that last bend and seeing the windmills was pretty fucking cool. Until the wind hit, that is. Then it became not fun, very quickly. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX 17% squid From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 16:23:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18229 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00904 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13276 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-162.patriot.net [209.249.180.162]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12837; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: <380B8023.4394AFA5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:16:35 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Fade References: <4.2.0.58.19991018103936.01a7c910@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You want nerve racking? Do the Bay Bridge in bad-ass winds, during a car jam that's creeping along just fast enough to get your feet up but not fast enough to stabilize the bike. Or the York River bridge with that looonnng stretch of grating. YAHHOO!!! Bill wind blows Troutman wrote: > Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts were > fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply > to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 16:29:49 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18347 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-162.patriot.net [209.249.180.162]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13627; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:29:42 -0400 Message-ID: <380B81B4.9B897737@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:23:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind fade References: <0.c9a315f3.253ca23a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not really. In my less than expert opinion, any bike with a clip-on windscreen gets the crapolla hammered out of it in gusty winds `cause the windscreen transfers all the pressure to the handlebars. My Suzuki with a frame mounted Quicksilver was rock solid in winds. The Harley with a clip-on lets me know the wind is out there fer sure. I would think sport bikes with frame mounted fairings and clean aerodynamics would be less vunerable to wind. Bill McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Would it be correct to propose that the more "sport bike" oriented the > machine is, the more likely it is to be affected by the wind, because of the > quicker steering, smaller diameter wheels etc. Everything is a trade off. > > Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 16:32:54 1999 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18394 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:29:43 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:27:49 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:29:16 -0400 Message-Id: <380B8430.2310E4BD@trw.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:33:56 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman,was = winter stuff and some other stuff... References: <0.3aa40fdf.253cd2e1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcy wrote: > might have to git me one a them there thangs ;D The proper spelling is "thar" as in "them thar thangs." Thankyou. : ) -- Randy Moran Technical Writer TRW S&ITG (703) 648-0122 voice (703) 648-2448 fax From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 16:33:08 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f180.hotmail.com [209.185.131.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18403 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43900 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 1999 20:32:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991018203231.43899.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:32:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Really ride all year? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:32:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have been riding in winter for the past 6 years, the last three on a Honda Pacific Coast. I ride no matter how cold it gets. I dress very warmly and in waterproof gear and go from Springfield to downtown DC on HOV lanes. About 18 miles. I NEVER NEVER, NEVER, NEVER ride in snow! Having said this I'd say the winters are mild (I'm from Syracuse NY) and the worst winter here was 1995-96. The bike stayed in the garage for three weeks straight that winter. I once left my PC at work for two days after it snowed during a day. Get a bike that is easy to keep clean, you will have to deal with some sand and occasional salted roads. The PC's plastic is made for this. >From: Mark >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Really ride all year? >Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:57:10 -0400 > >How many of you ride all year? Currently, I don't have a car. I'd rather >not >get a car. Too many wheels. This was not a problem in NYC (or Ankara), but >I'm >not sure about No. VA. > >However, I've got a ~25 mile commute from Manassas (off Davis Ford Rd.) to >Reston. I'm not asking you to predict the weather, but what has it been >like >during previous winters? How are Prince George and Fairfax counties about >clearing snow? > >----- >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A >bergman@XXXXXX > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > >-- > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 17:05:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18948 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01204 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14696 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id pNSBa08114 (3859); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.a39633e3.253ce4ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:02:36 EDT Subject: Re: Wind Fade To: kwoods@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 10/18/99 4:19:15 PM, kwoods@XXXXXX writes: >Coming around that last bend and seeing the windmills was pretty fucking >cool. Until the wind hit, that is. Then it became not fun, very quickly. exactly :D marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 17:06:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18968 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01207 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f232.hotmail.com [209.185.130.197]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14732 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97980 invoked by uid 0); 18 Oct 1999 21:05:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19991018210530.97979.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:05:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Fade Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:05:30 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Wind? Why would wind be a problem on a motorcycle? I'm another PC rider. Mines a 1996, with 20,500 or so on it. >Ok - who rode in today and had problems with the wind? The wind gusts were > >fading me in my lane up to two feet at a time. Somewhat nerve racking. > > >I just rode the 14 St. bridges across the Potomac -- the Honda PC has >AUTO-LEAN! Feel a gust, bike leans into it. Gust subsides, bike >straightens up. I've read about it, now I've experienced it. Who says all >that plastic doesn't have a function! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 18:49:19 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20474 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id rSWFa02561 (4402); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.17124bfd.253cfdba@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:48:26 EDT Subject: moto gun thread To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 10/17/99 10:36:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << As for Mr. Gawthrop's comments, what the hell does the death penalty for the intended offense have anything to do with shoot or don't shoot situation??? >> That's a good question and deserves an answer. I probably didn't flesh out the details sufficiently. There is a trend in post shooting investigations to ask the question, "Was this shooting justified?" One of the (many) standards being used by investigators and civil suit attorneys is the question, "Is the person who was shot comitting a crime that would have warranted the death penalty?" If not, then deadly force (death penalty equivelent level of force) is not reasonably justified. Generally, traffic situations do not warrant deadly force. Remember years ago when police shot at burglars? Classic situation in LA years back when an officer squeezed off a round and killed a burglar. City was sued and lost because the officer (consistent with policy at the time) was deemed to have used excessive force. Now, when you followed my comment with <> you were right, that's the general rule. The bottom line in all of this is that shootings are sticky wickets and who ever squeezes off a round, particularly if he is a rider, has an extremely delicate situation before him. As for the rest of gixer_racer's comments; I would not disagree. Ride safe out there... Bill Gawthrop Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 21:05:50 1999 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22332 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com (user55.anent.com [208.195.115.55]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA21265 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <380BC551.2F017E59@anent.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:11:45 -0400 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Fade References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B296A@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The wind was rather gusty this morning though not a bother. Sometimes it cracks me up reading posts about weather, as my commute is 45 mi. 1-way. Leesburg to 10th and E.st's...greenway/toll road to 66 Usually only 45 minutes, but all the same along way compared to most it seems. And I ride everyday. Not laughing to loudly I hope...hehehe....just cracks me up...ROTFLMAO... Craig 99 900rr 85 VF500f From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 18 22:53:43 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23794 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l4rite (207-172-117-5.s5.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.5]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27482 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c101bf19dc$e87f0040$0575accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: References: <0.3aa40fdf.253cd2e1@aol.com> <380B8430.2310E4BD@trw.com> Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman,was = winter stuff and some other stuff... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:51:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Marcy wrote: might have to git me one a them there thangs ;D The proper spelling is "thar" as in "them thar thangs." Thankyou. : ) Randy Moran Actually it depends on what part of the country you are a redneck from...confusing sentence yes......anyway where I am from we say "em ere thangs"...to much work to say "th" and such....well lesson over for today....yall enjoy now ya hear. Les From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 00:15:24 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25486 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3488 invoked from network); 19 Oct 1999 04:06:29 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1999 04:06:29 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA01803; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:08:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:08:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199910190408.AAA01803@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Moto Guzzi? On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:56:25 EDT McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: >I have become fascinated with the Moto Guzzi Jackel. Anybody out there >currently have a late model Guzzi? Opinions/comments/ pro/con. Never road one,but I've read lots of good things about them. Only bad thing I can think of is most moto mags seem to universaly hate the rear brake lever. It's supposed to be positioned funny and requires you to put your foot on a seperate peg to actuate it. That and you can get a funny torque reaction at low speeds due to the engine layout(same as Beemer Boxers). Didn't know what a Jackel was,so I did a search. Found out it's a stripped down California(basically a Guzzi Superglide). And there's a place in Cali called Wilson's that's got one for $7999. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 00:18:53 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25508 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6205 invoked from network); 19 Oct 1999 04:10:46 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1999 04:10:46 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA02170; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:12:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:12:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199910190412.AAA02170@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:If I had money... On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:16:06 -0400 "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" wrote: >I know my tastes are not usually mainstream, but isn't this a beautiful >bike? >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=83414&a=841331 >Dem Eye-talians sure do make 'em purty. Oooer! These things have got me crazy. I was planning on getting an FXDX from AAFEES while over in Korea. Now I'm wondering if I wouldn't like one of these instead. I also kinda like the new Polaris(excuse me,_Victory_) 'Sport Cruisers'(yeah,like they really invented them). Gotta love good luck and solid credit! ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 00:20:15 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25587 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12629 invoked from network); 19 Oct 1999 04:18:27 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1999 04:18:27 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA22777; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:19:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:19:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199910190419.AAA22777@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Non-moto: Metallica on TV NOW! On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:24:08 GMT daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >btw what kinds of bikes did he buy? I think he bought three. One was a Harley,one was a big-bore Yam(FZR or YZF 1K),don't know about the third. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 00:27:49 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25665 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10765 invoked from network); 19 Oct 1999 04:16:07 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1999 04:16:07 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA22598; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:17:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:17:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199910190417.AAA22598@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Wind fade On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:18:02 EDT McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: >Would it be correct to propose that the more "sport bike" oriented the >machine is, the more likely it is to be affected by the wind, because of the >quicker steering, smaller diameter wheels etc. Everything is a trade off. Actually,I my experience it's been the large side fairing area that's been the problem. My S2 was more effected by passing trucks,etc than my S1. They both had stubby 55" wheelbases and basically the same chassis. I think the worst bike I ever had for this was my '86 VFR(16" front,18" rear). My old CBR9(16" front,17" rear) didn't seem to do too bad with wind. Maybe those holes in the fairing really worked. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 00:30:38 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25711 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991019043044.24277.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:30:44 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:30:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Kiernen Racing Supply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While I have heard of a few people having really great luck with Kevin at KRS, I have heard a lot of horror stories over the past two-three years about him...late/very delayed orders, extremely hard to get in touch with for a period, etc. No first hand experince, just second hand from people that I know personally and trust what they say to be true... YMMV though... Chaparral always did me good on tires when I was a dunlop sheep.. I was severely bummed when I swapped to Avon on the old gixer and they don't carry them :( Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 00:32:43 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25724 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18630 invoked from network); 19 Oct 1999 04:27:00 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1999 04:27:00 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA23435; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:27:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:27:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199910190427.AAA23435@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:then could I shoot him? On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:11:01 -0700 jambroga wrote: >Wow! Riding one handed down the road, boxed in by 40 tons of rolling steel, >drawing a firearm from inside a zipped jacket and shooting an assailant in >the head, aiming with the wrong hand ( assuming you're right handed). You >should be in the movies or somethin . . . lol! :-) Big deal. When cagers mess with me,I just access my wetware implant,get my ID confirmed with the chip in my tooth,bring up a firing solution with one of our 'weather satellites',and vaporise the loser with a 100 Tetrawatt laser. Working at the Pentagon has it's advantages. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 06:03:44 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00928 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA4390750 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380C41DE.E58065F5@radix.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:03:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some other stuff... References: <199910181454.AA27197934@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Illegal to wear a mask in public (see below). Looks like we'd be exempt based on it being a protective mask for safety. But that wouldn't work if you left it on as you walked into a 7-11 to pay for your gas! Thank goodness for pay at the pump. I haven't met with much success leaving my helmet on in Md (in)convenience stores. Seems that no matter how clear I enunciate, & how loud I shout, the counter clerk just doesn't understand "PUMP # 1 !" Thanks for clearing that up for us Chris, good post. > That's one of the reason I like the flip-front helmets. I walked into my bank one day while wearing my full face helmet. EVERYBODY did a noticable startle-then-freeze. Been there. At least during the summer months, some BDC will usually break the ice by saying 'aren't you hot in all that leather'... > § 18.2-422 (from http://leg1.state.va.us/) > > Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions > > It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any > private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing.... yadda, yadda, yadda. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer Extraordinaire Soza & Company, Ltd. (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 06:08:19 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01007 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA4344859; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380C42F0.C99266F7@radix.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:07:44 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First good trip to Coleman, was = winter stuff and some otherstuff... References: <0.bd2627d3.253cd3a1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > 7-11 sells gas? :D > you know, it gives an exemption for wearing traditional holiday costumes, but > doesn't state that you have be wearing it DURING the actual hoilday ... so I > guess I could legally enter a 7-11 with an easter bunny outfit? ;D hmm... maybe I could get a custom paint job on the helmet, dye on the leathers, so I could always be dressed as Pepe le Pew or Sylvester the cat... definitely be a an eye catcher... we all want to be law abiding :-) -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer Extraordinaire Soza & Company, Ltd. (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 06:25:47 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01209 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp3009138.cit.nih.gov [156.40.9.138]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA3910373 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380C46FA.A78708CC@radix.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:24:58 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Redneck speak ? References: <0.3aa40fdf.253cd2e1@aol.com> <380B8430.2310E4BD@trw.com> <00c101bf19dc$e87f0040$0575accf@l4rite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leslie wrote: > > Actually it depends on what part of the country you are a redneck > from...confusing sentence yes......anyway where I am from we say "em ere > thangs"...to much work to say "th" and such....well lesson over for > today....yall enjoy now ya hear. Les So, is there a place that fellow Red Necks can look to learn new Red Neck dialects ? e absence of "th" is foreign to me, being a Red Neck from Accokeek... This is moto important, if your mechanic speaks an entirely different Red Neck dialect, you'll never correctly communicate what's wrong & they'll fix something that ain't broke - like Coleman. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer Extraordinaire Soza & Company, Ltd. (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 07:18:41 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02374 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA08880; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:18:35 -0400 Message-ID: <380C5207.7C700587@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:12:07 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Redneck speak ? References: <0.3aa40fdf.253cd2e1@aol.com> <380B8430.2310E4BD@trw.com> <00c101bf19dc$e87f0040$0575accf@l4rite> <380C46FA.A78708CC@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wuz considering doing my thesis on that subject - `Murican dialects, but then I rememebered I wuz chasing a degree in Math not English. Bummer. Having lived in many many states on the coast and even the midwest, I've developed an ear for the local dialect. You gotta watch out for slang also. Gridlock is a car-jam on the Carolina coast. A lady friend in Carolina emailed me in a panic. She had lunched her Saturn and the garage said it had "top engine damage" ??? That was sorta easy - they meant top end damage - easily diagnosed when she told me: A) the car had close to 90K on it and B) she had never changed the timing belt. When she cranked it over that morning all hell broke loose. In Eastern Carolina drop all the "g" sound from all "...ing" words, but keep the "th". In fact, when those sweet young southern gals say "thank-kew" thier tongue kinda flicks out, and for some reason that makes my knees go weak. Oohhh, yeesss.... Bill Dave Yates wrote: > So, is there a place that fellow Red Necks can look to learn new Red Neck > dialects ? e absence of "th" is foreign to me, being a Red Neck from > Accokeek... > > This is moto important, if your mechanic speaks an entirely different Red > Neck dialect, you'll never correctly communicate what's wrong & they'll fix > something that ain't broke - like Coleman. > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer Extraordinaire > Soza & Company, Ltd. > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 07:21:20 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02491 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FJU0063EKUPRY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:49:24 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Kiernen Racing Supply In-reply-to: <19991019043044.24277.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001f01bf1a1f$9baa4980$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) I for one had good luck. Ordered an Arai Quantum/e, paid for 2 day shipping, arrived on time, and still cheaper that I could get anywhere else. > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 12:31 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Kiernen Racing Supply > > > While I have heard of a few people having really great luck with Kevin > at KRS, I have heard a lot of horror stories over the past two-three > years about him...late/very delayed orders, extremely hard to get in > touch with for a period, etc. No first hand experince, just second > hand from people that I know personally and trust what they say to be > true... > YMMV though... > Chaparral always did me good on tires when I was a dunlop sheep.. I was > severely bummed when I swapped to Avon on the old gixer and they don't > carry them :( > > Collin > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 09:09:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03947 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:09:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199910190909.AA101515820@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Seeking Perry Coleman X-Mailer: Sorry for the bandwidth folks ... Perry Coleman, what's your email address - I lost it. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 19 09:28:22 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04209 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:27:44 -0400