From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 00:07:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01759 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18910 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14788 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WGCZa02343 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <650671d5.3612ffe9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:05 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Paging Art Crow....paging Art Crow... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Art, are you still lurking out there? If so, would you be so kind as to let me know where you're hiding in this vast electronic landscape? Had a few questions for you on some Givi stuff..... much obliged, -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 00:25:46 1998 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02508 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16994 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from harry@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199810010425.AAA16994@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ruminations on Harley Davidsons and such Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:25:49 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos I've never ridden a Harley. I'd like to, though. Harleys are motorcycles, and I like motorcycles. Harleys are very shiny, and I like the way they sound. My bike is a Kawasaki. It's nice, it's a motorcycle too. It's kind of heavy, and the fairing is sort of bent to one side from when the bike tipped over into a Volvo in the next parking space. Volvo's are okay too, I suppose, they don't tip over, but I prefer motorcycles anyway. I've never had a tattoo'ed halter-top wearing woman on the back of my bike. I wouldn't mind trying that some time, though, I bet she'd actually be very nice once I got to know her, and we'd both like motorcycles. Sometimes when I'm riding, I ride faster than other people and I have to go around them. Sometimes other people ride faster than me, and they have to go around me. I like to wave to them. Sometimes when it looks like it's going to rain, I drive my car to work. I like motorcycles, but my car has a roof. I ride my motorcycle again after it stops raining. If I had a lot of money, I'd buy one of every kind of motorcycle, and I'd ride a different one every day. When the day rolled around when it was time to ride the Pacific Coast, I think I'd say "why'd I have to buy so many damn motorcycles, any way". Thank you, -harry From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 00:30:02 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02595 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lcmik.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.84]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA27518; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981001002834.006a4780@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:28:34 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Shifter Problem In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA848E3@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To all those people who replied to this question...here is the answer... First of all the VFR has a very smooth transmission and is designed with good 'ole Honda engineering. No WD40 is going to fix the problem. Two things are causing this(as I sat and thought about for a bit). First... the oil has been changed to a heavier viscosity than what was in there. I did this because of the extreme summer heat and all that good stuff. Since the mornings have been chillier the oil remains a little thicker than what we were used to. Second... the clutch lever has been replaced do to a slight incident in the driveway. It most likely needs an adjustment(as I noticed a couple of days ago that it didn't engage until way out). The new handle has just broken itself in compounding the problem(VFRs use hydraulic clutches). Needless to say I'll be taking care of it tomorrow evening. :-) -Tom '86 VFR750 At 12:21 PM 9/30/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Has anyone had this problem before: can't get bike to shift into >neutral when you first start riding it down the road, then, after it's >warmed up, it's fine. This problem just started in the last week or so. >What do I need to do? WD-40 on the lever or something? ; ) > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 00:50:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03438 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19540 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15547 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA25851; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:49:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Call me a feminist... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat." --Rebecca West, 1913 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 03:04:31 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA09399 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 03:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lciun.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.215]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA13678 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 03:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981001030249.006a395c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 03:02:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Shifter Problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981001002834.006a4780@pop.mindspring.com> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA848E3@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, the clutch lever has to be in just about at the clipon for the clutch to disengage... sorry.. i was half asleep when i wrote it. Tom At 12:28 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >To all those people who replied to this question...here is the answer... > >First of all the VFR has a very smooth transmission and is designed with >good 'ole Honda engineering. No WD40 is going to fix the problem. Two >things are causing this(as I sat and thought about for a bit). First... >the oil has been changed to a heavier viscosity than what was in there. I >did this because of the extreme summer heat and all that good stuff. Since >the mornings have been chillier the oil remains a little thicker than what >we were used to. Second... the clutch lever has been replaced do to a >slight incident in the driveway. It most likely needs an adjustment(as I >noticed a couple of days ago that it didn't engage until way out). The new >handle has just broken itself in compounding the problem(VFRs use hydraulic >clutches). Needless to say I'll be taking care of it tomorrow evening. :-) > >-Tom >'86 VFR750 > >At 12:21 PM 9/30/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >>Has anyone had this problem before: can't get bike to shift into >>neutral when you first start riding it down the road, then, after it's >>warmed up, it's fine. This problem just started in the last week or so. >>What do I need to do? WD-40 on the lever or something? ; ) >> >>- Jeannette >> '86 VFR 700 F2 >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 05:44:55 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA16262 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA19195 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01608 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810010944.FAA01608@shell.clark.net> Subject: E-mail list atonement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:44:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Yesterday was Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, where we ask G-d and our fellow men and women for forgiveness for our sins. The following was posted on the Jewish Humor list, and while Jewish people may recognize the structure more immediately (it is modeled after a set of prayers that are recited on Yom Kippur) it is still fun, and true for all e-mail lists. Maybe I should add something about overzealous brand loyalty.... nah. Louis --------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E J E W I S H H U M O R L I S T --------------------------------------------------------------------- For the sin which we have committed by responding too often, And for the sin which we have committed by not posting at all when we have something valuable to say; For the sin which we have committed by responding angrily in haste, And for the sin which we have committed by posting private email in a public forum; For the sin which we have committed by misinterpreting others' words, And for the sin which we have committed by not expressing ourselves clearly; For the sin which we have committed by being sarcastic to other list members, And for the sin which we have committed by not being tolerant of their positions; For the sin which we have committed by not explaining technical terms, And for the sin which we have committed by assuming others know as much as we do; For the sin which we have committed by posting announcements directly, And for the sin which we have committed by posting subscription commands to the list; For the sin which we have committed by forwarding messages without introduction And for the sin which we have committed by cross-posting our own messages to many other lists; For the sin which we have committed by not using an appropriate subject line, And for the sin which we have committed by having a long .signature file; For the sin which we have committed by quoting others' posts in their entirety, And for the sin which we have committed by not providing context to our replies; For all of these, Forgiving One, Forgive Us, Pardon Us, and Grant Us Atonement. copyright © 1995, 1998, Mark Frydenberg ---------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 05:56:03 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA16652 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p57.sas1.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.57]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA21002 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:54:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <36135003.5E4C@flash.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 05:48:51 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Ruminations on Harley Davidsons and such References: <199810010425.AAA16994@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Mantakos wrote: > I've never ridden a Harley. I'd like to, though. Harry, if you ever get the opportunity to ride one, leave yourself plenty of stopping distance; at LEAST twice as much as you're used to. > I've never had a > tattoo'ed halter-top wearing woman on the back of my bike. > I wouldn't mind trying that some time, though, I bet she'd actually > be very nice once I got to know her, and we'd both like motorcycles. Severely overrated activity. > Sometimes when I'm riding, I ride faster than other people and I have > to go around them. You won't ever have to worry about this on a Harley. > I like to wave to them. Don't ever wave when you're on a Harley. I think it must void the warranty or something. > If I had a lot of money, I'd buy one of every kind of motorcycle, > and I'd ride a different one every day. Kudos. But you could buy 2 of almost anything else for what you would pay for one Harley. Oh, one more thing, if you do ride a Harley, take along plenty of quarters to call towing services. Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 06:22:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17890 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22911 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19381 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7RMMa18748; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f17eefe.361357d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:11 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another newbie Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/30/98 11:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Disagree about the Buell's. Too much torque, and too grippy stoppers for a ham-fisted newbie. >> Well, i have never ridden one so you are probably right. It's the way they look, if you drop one how can you tell its been dropped? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 06:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18024 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RRLAa02301; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <670da080.361356f1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:25 EDT To: dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fun Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/30/98 9:57:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dankenney@XXXXXX writes: << Whom ever wrote this obviously didnt see the big smiles on me,Jon and Fred's faces during our ride last sunday. >> Dan, The guy came and went between the time of your last post and this post. LOLOLOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 06:36:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18375 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23018 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19484 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WTEMa19215 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b0d5308.36135ace@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:34:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Weekend Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Haven't seen any ride proposals, anyone thinking of going for a ride Saturday or Sunday. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 06:46:37 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18772 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:44:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:44:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) However, at 250 lbs. I'd get an XX or ZX-11 for the heavy racer feel. And I'd take off the lower plastic for the first year. Buy a TL1000.....great starter bike. Snipped from other e-mails. Sorry guys I really disagree with you guys on this. All of the above mentioned bikes are NOT good beginner bikes. The only one I haven't ridden is the ZX-11 and I assume its not much different then the XX. All of these bikes are beasts and have WAY TO MUCH POWER FOR A BEGINNER. I think the Nighthawk is an excellent choice as is the other smaller bikes mentioned. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 07:46:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20919 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23592 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20310 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:02 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F49@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend Ride Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:51:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Weekend Ride > > Haven't seen any ride proposals, anyone thinking of going for a ride > Saturday > or Sunday. > > > Ciao, > > Fred > > [Mersch, Tom] Here's a possibility from the NOVAMGR list. If the Harley, Harley, Uber Alles guy is still on the list, ignore this as it involves a ride designed by a FEMINIST (Anita) AIIIEEEEEE!!! :-) >INVITATION TO COUNTRY ROADS RIDE SUNDAY, 10/4/98 You are invited to ride on the newest route in the NOVA MGR collection. It's called COUNTRY ROADS and it was designed by Anita Lauro, one of our fellow NOVA MGR riders. She took me up on a long-standing offer, open to anyone, to design a ride. The ride leaves from Manassas. It goes through or near Culpepper, and Front Royal. The ride ends in Middleburg. The weather is expected to be excellent with a high temperature of around 60 degrees, so dress accordingly. The morning is sure to be cooler. Even if you don't have a motorcycle, you are welcome join us for breakfast anyway! There is always a nice display of bikes in the parking lot. >>LOCATION - Old Country Buffet in Manassas off route 234 >>TIME - 8:00am to 8:45am for breakfast. Ride starts by 9am. >>DIRECTIONS - >>Head to Manassas via I-66 >>From I-66, take exit 47A (Route 234/Sudley Rd south) >>Proceed for about one mile >>Turn left into Westgate shopping center >>Old Country Buffet is behind Long John Silvers restaurant >>DETAILS - Meet for a huge all-you-can-eat breakfast buffet, >>which will cost about $6.50. OCB's legendary buffet is so >>good, you'll want to meet up with us on Sunday even if you >>don't ride a motorcycle. If you are not interested in having >>breakfast with the group, we plan to leave at 9am. I hope to see a lot of you there! I know Anita wants to see how much folks like her ride. Please arrive with enough fuel to ride up to 100 miles. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:18:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22142 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23957 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21001 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc2-s4.wizard.net (tc2-s4.wizard.net [206.161.15.80]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29555; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:18:41 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita) To: Garcia Oliver Cc: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Call me a feminist... Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: <361f73e4.1190618261@smtp.wizard.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:49:49 -0400 (EDT), Garcia Oliver wrote: >"I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only=20 >know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that=20 >differentiate me from a doormat." > >--Rebecca West, 1913 That quote is PERFECT! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:19:37 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22399 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011219.IAA22399@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A353125022E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:19:31 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:09:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: duct tape In-Reply-To: <3612675B.DA81DB0D@tidalwave.net> References: <001c01bdec87$56f6d900$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:16 PM 9/30/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Yep, good ol' duct tape. If the ancient Pharaohs knew about >duct tape, I swear the Sphinx would still have a nose. :) Did you see the recent results from a test by heating/ventilating/air conditioning guys? Duct tape is not good for sealing ducts! but it's good for everything else, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:19:37 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22401 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011219.IAA22401@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A34F125022E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:19:30 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:19:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Hi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself - I've been riding since before I could walk, and I always ride - cars are only for weak people, like girls. I ride only the best, an Amazona. The bike is an icon, worshipped by many. If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. They're so popular, there's a waiting list - which proves that they're the best bikes in the world. Anything less is for pussies, the pussy-whipped, and girls. Women really love my Amazona - many times, complete strangers walk up and offer to perform kinky sex acts on me and my dog. What a bike! I like loud pipes 'cause I want people to hear me and notice me. Heck, I even installed a WWII air raid siren and keep it running all the time - I definitely get noticed, and it has saved me from many accidents. I also want to be seen - can't be too safe! I've installed wide-beam headlights 360 degrees around my bike, so brain dead cagers approaching from ANY angle can see me. To provide the electricity necessary, I mounted a car's alternator to my bike. Even so, when I switch on the lights I have to always keep the engine above 3,000 rpm or it stalls from the electrical load. I wear only the best - leather from bulls. I don't want anything from cows or castrated steers, that's for wimps. And girls. Helmets can kill, so I never wear a helmet. I wear the scars on my face as a badge of pride. But I'm still a member of the MSF to support motorcycle rights, the AMA to get good safety instruction, and ABATE to fight against the killer power lines over my house. So that's the way it is, if anyone disagrees with me then they're wimps, or girls. signed, Falk Yew From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:19:36 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22400 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011219.IAA22400@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A354125022E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:19:32 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:21:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Two Questions... In-Reply-To: <36127360.43C74557@tidalwave.net> References: <199809301752.NAA31069@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:07 PM 9/30/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Well, I guess I better stand up and apologize. This guy was looking >for folks to do long distance rides with from Alan Wheat's NOVA ride >list. I told him about this DC cycles list and (shudder) the long distance >riders list. I didn't realize he had an inferiority complex >the size of Texas about his bike and was gonna come in here and slam >everyone's ride but his own. I can't wait to see him try that s**t on LDrider! He'll get eaten alive. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:33:39 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22940 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011233.IAA22940@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6A014A022E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:33:36 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:34:05 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Hi In-Reply-To: <004401bdecc4$6a9162e0$3080e2cf@demon> References: <002a01bdec8f$c5bfc600$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:48 PM 9/30/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Sadly, the only pair of gloves Angie could find that fit her have the HD >logo on them (yep, it was the last of about 20 stores we went to. And I >would have considered mail order, but it's too much of a hassle for >clothing) The best winter gloves I've ever owned are Harley gloves. I bought them from a Harley dealer, they say "Harley-Davidson" on them (with the little Registered mark). And they're made in Taiwan. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:38:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23029 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24138 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21344 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc2-s4.wizard.net (tc2-s4.wizard.net [206.161.15.80]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA30706; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:38:43 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita) To: "Mersch, Tom" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:43:14 -0400 Message-ID: <362175a8.1191071176@smtp.wizard.net> References: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F49@RBMAIL103> In-Reply-To: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F49@RBMAIL103> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:51:34 -0400 , "Mersch, Tom" wrote: > Here's a possibility from the NOVAMGR list. If the Harley, Harley, >Uber Alles guy is still on the list, ignore this as it involves a ride >designed by a FEMINIST (Anita) AIIIEEEEEE!!! :-)=20 Actually, the highlight of this ride is a feminist rally on the Mall.... JUST KIDDING! :-) =46or anyone who's curious... the ride is going to be about 200 miles, starting in Manassas and ending in Middleburg (by a very roundabout route!). I've managed to string together quite a few fun motorcycling roads... ones I picked up from other group rides or poker runs. This will be a moderate pace ride, and new riders are very welcome to join us.=20 If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:06:25 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24222 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOiR0-0003YE-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:06:18 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:05:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84904@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'leerider@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: JPB cliches Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:03:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Oh, and you missed one, sent to me privately: "If you were a REAL woman...." Hmm, I thought I was real. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Powell [SMTP:leerider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 5:06 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: JPB cliches > > In honor of the "Cream line forms to the right, ladies" Vietnam vet > who > was with us just long enough to make a memorable impression, I present > the "JPB cliches," cut and pasted as I read them. I probably missed a > bunch, and purposely left out all references to "feminists." > > louder pipes do save lives > > It may be trite, but nevertheless tru: If I have to explain it, ya > wouldna > understand. > > H-D is an American icon > > nothing feels, handles, looks, or sounds like a real motorcycle except > a > Harley > > punches aren't being pulled > > so if the shoe fits, wear it > > > To which I'd like to add: AMF > > Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:15:59 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24621 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18009; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:17:04 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5E3@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'leerider@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: JPB cliches Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:17:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain w/o trying to offend Tom..... Last time I looked, you definitely appeared to be a real woman to me... Then again, you weren't dressed in cutoff shorts, a fringed leather halter top, and a ratty bandana covering your hair... maybe you're not a real woman, J :) What were you thinking.. real women don't ride their own bike... they're always on the back of their ole man's bike as a status symbol he he he > Oh, and you missed one, sent to me privately: > > "If you were a REAL woman...." > > Hmm, I thought I was real. > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:18:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24649 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24685 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22318 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOicc-0004Qj-01; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:19 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:17:40 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84908@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Garcia Oliver'" , dc-cycle Subject: RE: Call me a feminist... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:15:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I LOVE THAT!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 12:50 AM > To: dc-cycle > Subject: Re: Call me a feminist... > > "I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only > > know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that > > differentiate me from a doormat." > > --Rebecca West, 1913 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:18:38 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24659 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id GAA26829 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:34 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF2AAD58@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hi! Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Heck, I even installed a WWII air raid siren > and keep it running all the time Chris - This part isn't totally deviod of merit...:-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:21:00 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24738 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOif7-0004ca-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:20:53 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:20:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84909@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I personally thought my VF 500 was a great starter bike, and it got recommended highly through people on this list, as well. However, I weigh about 120, so I don't know how your great football-player he-man weight might fare on the bike. ; ) - Jeannette > Snipped from other e-mails. Sorry guys I really disagree with you > guys on > this. All of the above mentioned bikes are NOT good beginner bikes. > The > only one I haven't ridden is the ZX-11 and I assume its not much > different > then the XX. All of these bikes are beasts and have WAY TO MUCH POWER > FOR A > BEGINNER. I think the Nighthawk is an excellent choice as is the > other > smaller bikes mentioned. > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:26:34 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25052 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 385; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:25:58 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:25:54 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Hi! In-Reply-To: <199810011219.IAA22401@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981001132557896.AAC238.385@vulture> At 08:19 AM 10/1/98 , Chris Norloff wrote: >Women really love my Amazona - many times, complete strangers walk up and >offer to perform kinky sex acts on me and my dog. What a bike! you too? i thought it was just MY Amazona. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Amazona 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:28:47 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25136 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18794 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5E6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:29:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Don't forget that Brian McCoy (all 6'3" 230 lbs of him) also had a VF500 and really loved it. He said it was a little low on power on other midsized bikes, but it really taught him how to be smooth through the corners. > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 9:28 AM > To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Another newbie > > I personally thought my VF 500 was a great starter bike, > I don't know how your great > football-player he-man weight might fare on the bike. ; ) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:37:56 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25569 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 335; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <361385B1.8EECFE17@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:37:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Mantakos , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Ruminations on Harley Davidsons and such References: <199810010425.AAA16994@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :-) :-) :-) Our esteemed and benevolent ListMaster wrote: > > When the day rolled around > when it was time to ride the Pacific Coast, I think I'd say "why'd > I have to buy so many damn motorcycles, any way". > So Harry, Comin' out to the Par-tay this time? Want to meet some of your frightening List Subjects face to face? ;-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:39:01 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25585 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOiwb-0006AG-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:38:57 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:38:19 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:36:15 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Last night I was headed home from school around 10PM speeding, like I usually do (no flames, please!! ; ) ) when I thought, "...you know I should slow down." Of course, after thinking that, I blow by a cop, he turns his lights headlights on & oh well... Lucky for me, though, he let me off with a WARNING!! I'm so thrilled!! That didn't happen last time!! ...and this was a Fairfax City cop, usually they're the worst. I guess the motorcycle gods were with me - I was going 46 in a 30...ugh...slowed down from 55. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:44:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25718 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25115 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22997 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnorton ([208.195.115.133] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA02337; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:47:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bded41$deca50e0$8573c3d0@bnorton> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Paging Art Crow....paging Art Crow... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:46:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Call him at his store, Riders Accessory Warehouse 703-241-0733 >Art, are you still lurking out there? If so, would you be so kind as to let me >know where you're hiding in this vast electronic landscape? Had a few >questions for you on some Givi stuff..... > >much obliged, > >-Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:45:48 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26030 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4BW057BF>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F4C@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hi! Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:49:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain HAHAHAHAHAHA :-) Please turn to page four in the Neanderthal handbook and everybody sing! : Oh Lord!, it's hard, to be humble, When you're perfect in eeevery way! > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:19 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Hi! > > Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself - > > I've been riding since before I could walk, and I always ride - cars are > only for weak people, like girls. I ride only the best, an Amazona. The > bike is an icon, worshipped by many. If you have to ask, you wouldn't > understand the answer. They're so popular, there's a waiting list - which > proves that they're the best bikes in the world. Anything less is for > pussies, the pussy-whipped, and girls. > > Women really love my Amazona - many times, complete strangers walk up and > offer to perform kinky sex acts on me and my dog. What a bike! > > I like loud pipes 'cause I want people to hear me and notice me. Heck, I > even installed a WWII air raid siren and keep it running all the time - I > definitely get noticed, and it has saved me from many accidents. > > I also want to be seen - can't be too safe! I've installed wide-beam > headlights 360 degrees around my bike, so brain dead cagers approaching > from ANY angle can see me. To provide the electricity necessary, I > mounted > a car's alternator to my bike. Even so, when I switch on the lights I > have > to always keep the engine above 3,000 rpm or it stalls from the electrical > load. > > I wear only the best - leather from bulls. I don't want anything from > cows > or castrated steers, that's for wimps. And girls. > > Helmets can kill, so I never wear a helmet. I wear the scars on my face > as > a badge of pride. > > But I'm still a member of the MSF to support motorcycle rights, the AMA to > get good safety instruction, and ABATE to fight against the killer power > lines over my house. > > So that's the way it is, if anyone disagrees with me then they're wimps, > or > girls. > > signed, > Falk Yew > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:54:44 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26114 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:53:10 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:51:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:53:29 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Call me a feminist... -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> "George Howell" - 9/30/98 6:36 PM >>> > So--I'm a squid for riding a sportbike, I'm a poseur for riding a > Harley, Yes! Finally, someone who understands! > Joe '85 zx900, '72 Aermacchi/H-D 350 Sprint, '68 FLH How many of the faithful (such as the one so recently departed from the list) have ever heard of the paper boy bike? How many of them have less contempt for you than 'those AMF bastards'? Actually, the hard-core tattooed guys usually get a real kick out of the little beastie and the fact that I'd ride it to a biker haunt. It's the FLSTC Evo-with-200-miles-riding RUB johnnies-come-lately that get shit-all bent outta shape. Mr. Sprint seems to turn their neat little world upside down. --Joe ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:04:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26541 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25394 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23762 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA00585; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36138BCF.81ACF143@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:03:59 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , bgsbny@XXXXXX Subject: Our Pets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Through one way or another I have learned that I am not the only one on this list with reptiles. Most of the motorcyclists I know also have been into reptiles at one time or another. I guess it is cause we like things a little different than others. So if you got a reptile let us know. Jay Goddard 89 Hawk snow corn snake (Jackie Daniels) albino corn snake ( Jim Beam) Green Iguana (Jose' Cuervo) Boxer dog (Jagermiester) No I am not a Alcoholic the name thing started as a joke and went too far From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:11:20 1998 Return-Path: dbiser@XXXXXX Received: from wxserver.aws.com (aws.com [204.156.11.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26947 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jonjon.aws.com ([204.156.11.16]) by wxserver.aws.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA249 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:11:16 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:11:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDED23.CF2FDA60.dbiser@aws.com> From: dbiser@XXXXXX (Don Biser) Reply-To: "dbiser@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:11:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 13 TEXT Thanks to everybody for all of the info, boy, I guess I didn't realize there were so many different types/brands etc. I would like to respond to each of the e-mails individually but unfortunately I'd probably be fired, since I'm at work:-) But, I did get to read them all, and It looks like a lot of good choices! Also last night I went and looked at a Virago 750. It's an 82 with 12k miles. It seems as though it's in pretty good shape, although I'm not sure exactly what to look for. The guy want's $800 dollars. Is that a bad price? It also has RUMBLER pipes. ? (It just seemed a little louder to me) I was thinking maybe a bike like this might be better to start off with, rather than a more expensive/faster sport bike. Thanks again! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:13:47 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27023 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:12:09 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:09:59 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:12:18 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Hi! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline No, Falk Yew, you Amazonas rub creditcardbiker wannabee! You betray your newbieness with by saying that you installed a car alternator. Bull (or steer)! Any Amazonas rider worth beans knows that it already has a car alternator, courtesy of 1800cc of Brazilian Volkswagen thunder! Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, Pat Magroyn '81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:15:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27075 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25575 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24160 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-37-51.s51.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.51]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10197; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36138BE5.255E@erols.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:04:21 -0400 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paging Art Crow....paging Art Crow... References: <650671d5.3612ffe9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > Art, are you still lurking out there? If so, would you be so kind as to let me > know where you're hiding in this vast electronic landscape? Had a few > questions for you on some Givi stuff..... > > much obliged, > > -Sean Jordan riders@XXXXXX or 703-241-0733 RE GIVI: Does anyone out there have any kind of WRITTEN warranty from GIVI? Does anyone out there know (or think they know) what the GIVI warranty is? -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:15:20 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27077 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 350; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:14:42 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:14:35 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981001141442014.AAA238.350@vulture> Its just 'cause you are a pretty lady. You surprised the officer when you took off your helmet, shook out your hair, batted your eyes and said 'Yes officer? Was i doing something wrong? This is my boyfriend's bike.....' note the sarcasm. :-) All the cops around here are on operation shark something or other. Attacking agressive drivers for speeding, blowing stop signs, etc. You are pretty lucky that the nice officer didnt ticket you considering this A.D. campaign. At 09:36 AM 10/1/98 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Last night I was headed home from school around 10PM speeding, like I >usually do (no flames, please!! ; ) ) >when I thought, "...you know I should slow down." Of course, after >thinking that, I blow by a cop, he turns his lights headlights on & oh >well... Lucky for me, though, he let me off with a WARNING!! I'm so >thrilled!! That didn't happen last time!! >...and this was a Fairfax City cop, usually they're the worst. I guess >the motorcycle gods were with me - I was going 46 in a 30...ugh...slowed >down from 55. > >- Jeannette > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:16:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27094 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25593 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24188 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port57.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.57]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08380 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36138CB9.62CB@radix.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:07:53 -0400 From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Reply-To: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Our Pets References: <36138BCF.81ACF143@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jay goddard wrote: > > Through one way or another I have learned that I am not the > only one on this list with reptiles. So if you got a reptile let > us know. Me too.. I have a couple of diamond/carpet cross pythons named Moki and Bagera. I've had them since they were baby wigglers. They're going on 5 foot now. I'm actually looking for a good home for them. They come with a furniture quality enclosure. Anyone interested? Dawn -- *=====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *=====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:17:39 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27366 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:49:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:49:13 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >snip >>> Chris Norloff 10/01/98 08:19AM >>> Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself -=20 signed, Falk Yew >snip Personally I prefer, "Yuck Fou". Saw it on a license plate once. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:18:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27388 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25640 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24309 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:51:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:51:31 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: merscht@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'd love to join you this weekend but, unfortunately I will be in Vegas = with the Exup-Brotherhood tearing up the town. Maybe next time. Scooter >>> Anita <2xracers@XXXXXX> 10/01/98 08:43AM >>> On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:51:34 -0400 , "Mersch, Tom" wrote: > Here's a possibility from the NOVAMGR list. If the Harley, = Harley, >Uber Alles guy is still on the list, ignore this as it involves a ride >designed by a FEMINIST (Anita) AIIIEEEEEE!!! :-)=20 Actually, the highlight of this ride is a feminist rally on the Mall.... JUST KIDDING! :-) For anyone who's curious... the ride is going to be about 200 miles, starting in Manassas and ending in Middleburg (by a very roundabout route!). I've managed to string together quite a few fun motorcycling roads... ones I picked up from other group rides or poker runs. This will be a moderate pace ride, and new riders are very welcome to join us.=20 If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:18:11 1998 Return-Path: cgee1@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27395 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8490 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 1998 14:17:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19981001141735.8489.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.114.156.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:17:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.114.156.164] From: "Christopher Gee" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Excelsior-Henderson Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:17:35 PDT Good morning, gang. I don't know how many finance types there are out there, but last night on the "Business Center" program on CNBC there was a report about Excelsior-Henderson. The report began by talking about the resurrection of the traditional name, etc. It stated that aging baby- boomers are driving the cruiser market, which has grown by 12% per year for the last 6 years, and Harley-Davidson has 50% of this market. The report talked about the illustrious history of the E-H name earlier this century -- how it was the first bike to break 100mph, first bike to be ridden around the world, and Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford owned E-H's. But then, in the early 30's, the company's owner (Schwinn, the bicycle manufacturer) shut down because of the Depression. Two brothers, Dan and Dave Hanlon, scooped up the name recently after the trademark protection ran out. The Hanlons raised $15 million from "CEO bike enthusiasts with deep pockets," according to the report, and designed and built a prototype. Then they raised $30 million in an IPO in summer of 1997 and built a factory in Minnesota. They are expecting to generate small revenues this year, hopefully shipping in the fall, and project revenues of $60-70 million in 1999, aiming to capture 4-5% market share - not necessarily taking on Harley head-to-head, but trying to scalp a small piece of what they see as a growing pie. The Super-X is the model they are producing, and it is slated to retail around $18,000. Interest has been growing since the IPO, and the company started a waiting list which the report stated now contains 20,000 names. Excelsior-Henderson trades on the Nasdaq exchange, under the symbol BIGX. Flamer Disclaimer: I don't care what kind of bike you ride, I don't condone or condemn cruisers, I just thought it would be interesting to relay a motorcylcing report from the business press. I did not research the story, I am just repeating what they reported. If you have a problem with the content, call CNBC, don't bug me or the list. cheers, Christopher red F3 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:20:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27431 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25700 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24388 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22097; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:21:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5E9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'jay goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bgsbny@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Our Pets Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:21:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well, we've had quite a few, but now we're down to not that many .... :) Animal Name Nile Monitor TAG! (your it..named for vicious tail whipping ..and the bruises it left...as a juvenile) Black&White Tegu Spike (cause it has none) Golden Tegu Chomp (cuase it is the meanest damn animal I've ever seen, with razor sharp teeth that cut my pinky to the bone when it was a baby) 3 Leaopard Geckos Un-named recent additions 2 Ball Pythons Un-named, cause we're lazy Chesapeake Bay Retriever Peaches During our vacation this summer, our inlaws were taking care of the pets and didn't get one of the cage lids back on properly... We lost our favorite snake, and adult albino corn snake named Hoppy...i still haven't searched all the nooks and crannies yet, so he may still be in the house, but I doubt it.. Collin& Penny (they were her idea...i used to be terrified) > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:12 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; bgsbny@XXXXXX > Subject: Our Pets > > So if you got a reptile let us > know. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:23:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27513 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25731 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24479 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOjd1-0002Se-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:22:47 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:22:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jay goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bgsbny@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Our Pets Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:20:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Collin!!?? : ) > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; bgsbny@XXXXXX > Subject: Our Pets > > Through one way or another I have learned that I am not the only one > on > this list with reptiles. Most of the motorcyclists I know also have > been into reptiles at one time or another. I guess it is cause we > like > things a little different than others. So if you got a reptile let us > know. > > Jay Goddard > 89 Hawk > snow corn snake (Jackie Daniels) > albino corn snake ( Jim Beam) > Green Iguana (Jose' Cuervo) > Boxer dog (Jagermiester) > > No I am not a Alcoholic the name thing started as a joke and went too > far From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:26:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27526 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25800 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24590 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 369; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:12 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:26:09 -0400 To: jay goddard , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , bgsbny@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Our Pets In-Reply-To: <36138BCF.81ACF143@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981001142612787.AAA238.369@vulture> Wow. I have a green iguana named Nietzsche. I just set up a news group for Iguanas yesterday (we are ISP) at rec.iguanas. Nietz is 7 years old, 3.5 feet long and just had an operation to remove a mass from his abdomin. If there are any other reptile owners out there, I'd like to know. At 10:03 AM 10/1/98 , jay goddard wrote: >Through one way or another I have learned that I am not the only one on >this list with reptiles. Most of the motorcyclists I know also have >been into reptiles at one time or another. I guess it is cause we like >things a little different than others. So if you got a reptile let us >know. > >Jay Goddard >89 Hawk >snow corn snake (Jackie Daniels) >albino corn snake ( Jim Beam) >Green Iguana (Jose' Cuervo) >Boxer dog (Jagermiester) > >No I am not a Alcoholic the name thing started as a joke and went too >far > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:28:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27876 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25827 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24656 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256690.004F56DB ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256690.004F3913.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Hi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline And then there is the one that I saw directed at Newt Gingrich, which was "Nuck Fewt". From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:29:40 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27901 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA15966 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA18188 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.44.166.149]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001142742.BKKO18768@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:27:42 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Hi! Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bded47$a1f08f80$95a62ca6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199810011219.IAA22401@meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This is priceless. Too bad our Johnny-come-lately-and-gone can't see it. My hat's (helmet) is off to you, Chris. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (50K and counting) Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. Chris Norloff Said: Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself - From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:30:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27952 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25865 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24742 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:36 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WFFRa13872 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56d6a595.361391eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Our Pets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/1/98 10:10:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, goddardj@XXXXXX writes: << Jay Goddard 89 Hawk snow corn snake (Jackie Daniels) albino corn snake ( Jim Beam) Green Iguana (Jose' Cuervo) Boxer dog (Jagermiester) >> Im the owner of a 4 ft baby albino Burmese python named Princess. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:32:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27970 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25880 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24771 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA05346; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06891; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA23484; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:33 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA23471; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:31 -0700 Received: by HQ-MSG04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:28 -0700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Donnie, I just bought the same bike for my brother: a gray 1982 Virago 750 with 11K miles for $600. It needs new brakes and the battery keeps dying. Plus someone knocked the poor thing over in the parking lot so now it needs a new brake lever. Thank goodness my brother is good at fixing things. This bike should keep him busy. :-) Before the brake level broke off I rode it and thought, "Hmm, I thought this would have more power since it's a 750 and I'm use to riding a 450." Maybe it's not zippy since it's an older, heavier bike. Or maybe it's a crappy bike. Not sure yet. Dale, care to chime in since you've had lots of experience with the Virago? - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > -----Original Message----- > From: dbiser@XXXXXX [SMTP:dbiser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:11 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: > > Thanks to everybody for all of the info, boy, I guess I didn't realize > there > were so many different types/brands etc. > I would like to respond to each of the e-mails individually but > unfortunately > I'd probably be fired, since I'm at work:-) > But, I did get to read them all, and It looks like a lot of good choices! > Also last night I went and looked at a Virago 750. It's an 82 with 12k > miles. > It seems as though it's in pretty good shape, although I'm not sure > exactly > what to look for. The guy want's $800 dollars. 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M``````````(!<0`!````&P````&][4`!T.`0````$`````````'@`U$`$```!`````/$(Y,30T M-#E"04$T1$0R,3$X-$8U,#`X,#5&14$S.#0Y-SE".$!H<2UM.$!H<2UM; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26108 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25317 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:42:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bded4a$1ee48ee0$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <6f17eefe.361357d3@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal >From that perspective, they are PERFECT. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:22 AM > To: ghowell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Another newbie > > > In a message dated 9/30/98 11:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ghowell@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Disagree about the Buell's. Too much torque, and too grippy > stoppers for a > ham-fisted newbie. > >> > Well, i have never ridden one so you are probably right. It's the way they > look, if you drop one how can you tell its been dropped? > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:53:38 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28924 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6TXTa13873; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11b6d228.36139738@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:40 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Once I got pulled over by a motorcycle riding CHP who said later (when I met him in a totally different context and he remembered me) that he pulled me over because I was a girl. I was going 68 in a 55. It really made me mad when he told me that. The ticket cost be a hundred bucks or so, plus a point on my license. Of course, I was speeding, but heck, I wasn't the fastest vehicle in sight on that road at that moment. I wasn't even going fast enough to be in the left lane. On the other hand, I got pulled over this summer after I sped through a sleepy Minnesota town at about 15mph over the posted speed. I gave the cop my MSF instructor card and told him that if he wrote me the ticket, I might have a hard time keeping my job. He had to think about it for a long time (he was very young and likely had never let an out of state speeder off the hook before), but he didn't write a ticket. hee hee. Gosh, I guess I better teach a couple of classes next year so I can get that card renewed... Colleen >Its just 'cause you are a pretty lady. You surprised the officer when you >took off your helmet, shook out your hair, batted your eyes and said 'Yes >officer? >Was i doing something wrong? This is my boyfriend's bike.....' > >note the sarcasm. :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:54:55 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28934 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011454.KAA28934@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A7BA73029E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:54:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:56:32 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... In-Reply-To: <19981001141442014.AAA238.350@vulture> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:14 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >All the cops around here are on operation shark something or other. >Attacking agressive >drivers for speeding, blowing stop signs, etc. I think the newspaper reported Fairfax county issued 1800 citation last month for Aggressive Driving. About half were for speeding and the next highest category (about 11%) were for disobeying traffic signs. With all the tailgating, weaving, and cutting people off around here, I find it hard to believe that their biggest category after speeding was disobeying traffic signs, and that was only 1 out 10 people they caught. I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of what constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:01:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29336 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26385 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26459 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:01:40 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WNZWa13872 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:00:59 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Header welder needed!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 One of the header joints on my TL broke clean off and Suzuki won't replace it under warranty because it _may_ have been caused by crash damage. That's bullshit but oh well. Anyway, Im looking for a local steel welder to redo the joint. I am looking to pay no more than $50 since it is a rather small job. I tried the phone book but found out that most local welders are welders on the side and got a lot of answering machines. My biggest priority is that I want someone who I can schedule an appointment with and bring the bike in and have it done in an hour or so all while waiting. Most places were telling me the leave the bike and all. I dont trust a welder moving my baby around so no dice there. This is a priority since my Yosh exhaust cans are coming on Monday! If you know of anyone who welds (and does a good job) or any suggestions, let me know ASAP! Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:22:29 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00330 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQGY6XVG; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:22:15 EDT To: leerider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ruminations on Harley Davidsons and such Message-ID: <19981001.031552.8135.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199810010425.AAA16994@dirtydog.meretrix.com> <36135003.5E4C@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:22:15 EDT Now that I know what LOL means, I can use it. The following made me LOL: On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 05:48:51 -0400 Lee Powell writes: >Harry Mantakos wrote: >> I like to wave to them. > >Don't ever wave when you're on a Harley. I think it must void the >warranty or something. That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:34:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00731 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26850 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27944 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA14815; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA16416; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001152600.CBWJ18768@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:00 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , , Subject: RE: Newbie bike, or something for the commuter Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:25:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bded4f$ab7f7c20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <004f01bdeced$72c417e0$1980e2cf@demon> Importance: Normal Yeah, but George, it was an Eliminator, a Kawasaki. If you want a 'real motorcycle', buy a Honda. (ducking, covering....;) Todd George Howell wrote: > That's still a crap price. For a two year old bike, $400 off ain't much. > Even on my Eliminator that was only a one year unsold bike, I got > $1000 off. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:45:40 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01234 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQG2G2SK; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:45:14 EDT To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi! -Reply Message-ID: <19981001.033844.8135.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-12 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:45:14 EDT >Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, > >Pat Magroyn >'81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) Pat? Is that you?! It's me, our long-lost brother, Holden! I've been travelling the country with our east indian friend Mahatma Kote! That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:46:58 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01244 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA11585; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001154617.CHPC18768@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:46:17 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bded52$811b67c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> Importance: Normal Naw, he proly let you go 'cause you didn't lay any of that feminist shit on him! ...as Collin Fagen is want to say, he he he he! ;P Todd > Last night I was headed home from school around 10PM speeding, like I > usually do (no flames, please!! ; ) ) > when I thought, "...you know I should slow down." Of course, after > thinking that, I blow by a cop, he turns his lights headlights on & oh > well... Lucky for me, though, he let me off with a WARNING!! I'm so > thrilled!! That didn't happen last time!! > ...and this was a Fairfax City cop, usually they're the worst. I guess > the motorcycle gods were with me - I was going 46 in a 30...ugh...slowed > down from 55. > > - Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:55:04 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01627 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:53:37 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:51:25 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:54:28 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi! -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Holden, Sorry I've been out of touch for so long. Last september I hooked up with Harry Balszak (you remember what a freak he was) and next thing I knew I woke up in some fleabag in Matamoros with a huge Amazonas tattoo on my ass. Had to ride standing up for the next four days--thank god for the floorboards and cruise control. Keep in touch, Pat >>> Bikes R Us - 10/1/98 11:45 AM >>> >Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, > >Pat Magroyn >'81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) Pat? Is that you?! It's me, our long-lost brother, Holden! I've been travelling the country with our east indian friend Mahatma Kote! That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 12:17:32 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02600 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA20504; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001152558.CBWD18768@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:25:58 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Another Newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bded4f$aabdb2c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3612D6D9.F6A826F3@bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal Indeed, and aside from Brians yellow Nighthawk, you can take a gander at my black one. I'll even point you to where the pegs get touched down quite often, sons the grinder protrusions :) Todd Brian wrote: > I would have to recommend the Honda Nighthawk 750. Biased opinion - I > picked up my 1996 for $4500 with 170 miles on the odo from Atlantic > Cycle and I creak the scale at 240 lbs. Here's looking forward to meeting some more of the listers at > Todd's on the 24th! > Brian > Yellow Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 12:29:21 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03065 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lc40g.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.16]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11698 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981001122810.006bdc8c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:28:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... In-Reply-To: <199810011454.KAA28934@meretrix.com> References: <19981001141442014.AAA238.350@vulture> <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Last week with Operation Road Shark Fairfax County Police wrote 2900 tickets of which 895 were for speeding. Most of the tickets were written on the beltway. On the way out to my mom's to close the deal on her house I saw that VA State had used a Jeep Cherokee(not the big one like they used to use) to nab a guy. Also saw FFX Co with a very unassuming Crown Vic... complete with hub caps, white walls, no antenae, and baseball caps concealing the lights. Looked like a grand parents car. Gotta be careful out there folks! -Tom At 10:56 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 10:14 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >>All the cops around here are on operation shark something or other. >>Attacking agressive >>drivers for speeding, blowing stop signs, etc. > >I think the newspaper reported Fairfax county issued 1800 citation last >month for Aggressive Driving. About half were for speeding and the next >highest category (about 11%) were for disobeying traffic signs. > >With all the tailgating, weaving, and cutting people off around here, I >find it hard to believe that their biggest category after speeding was >disobeying traffic signs, and that was only 1 out 10 people they caught. > >I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick >through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of what >constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 12:35:50 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03216 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQG5C364; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:35:30 EDT To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi! -Reply -Reply-reply Message-ID: <19981001.042903.7823.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-11,13-36 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:35:30 EDT I'll bet that tattoo looks great when you wear your leather chaps with no pants underneath. DId you know that a couple of our old friends from back home have written books? "Strange Marks in the Sand" by Peter Dragon "Cat Obedience Training for Nudists" by Claude Bahls That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:54:28 -0400 JOE NAGY writes: >Holden, >Sorry I've been out of touch for so long. Last september I hooked up >with Harry Balszak (you remember what a freak he was) and next thing I >knew I woke up in some fleabag in Matamoros with a huge Amazonas >tattoo >on my ass. Had to ride standing up for the next four days--thank god >for the floorboards and cruise control. >Keep in touch, >Pat > >>>> Bikes R Us - 10/1/98 11:45 AM >>> >>Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, >> >>Pat Magroyn >>'81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) > >Pat? Is that you?! It's me, our long-lost brother, Holden! I've been >travelling the country with our east indian friend Mahatma Kote! > > >That's my 2 pennies worth... > >--Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 12:39:53 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03516 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01449 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:41:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5EF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: fw: for sale Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:41:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain This found on the classifieds at roadracers.com (streetbike section) The GS500 is a really good starter bike with a lot of potential... I don't know anything about it other than what the ad says..ask them questions, not me Collin [ ] 94 Suzuki GS500 From: david_sims@XXXXXX Date: 9/30/98 Time: 8:47:51 AM Remote Name: 206.2.177.5 Comments 8000 mi. nice beginner bike or excellent for the female spouse. Purple paint. $2000.00 neg. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 13:04:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04491 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28429 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02142 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 279; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:03:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3613B620.59E91BCB@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:04:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , Don Biser CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Dale, care to chime in since you've had lots of experience with the > Virago? Well, I still get the cold shivers thinking about the last one. :( Donnie, In my opinion, taken for what it's worth, there are LOTS and LOTS of great old UJM's out there for sale cheap, that are reliable, and are bargains for the money. However, I don't think an 82 Virago 750 is one of 'em. It was the first model year, and it took them a few years to get everything sorted out. Had one, bought it for the wife, hated it, had way too many problems, sold it to another lister, and now he (Garcia) doesn't talk to me anymore (or maybe he's just the quiet type). :( Weak starter motor, crappy awful sounding starter gears, useless rear monoshock can't hold air and knocks bike off sidestand when it sags too low (Ursulina, your bike might have fallen over all by itself, mine used to). The buckhorn handlebars are a joke, too. For what it's worth, when it started (which wasn't often) and held air in the rear shock, the ride was nice, the engine was fairly strong, but you hit redline awfully quickly, shaft drive was a plus, but their were way too many minuses. I'd say keep looking. Better bikes are out there. Horkster > Donnie, > > I just bought the same bike for my brother: a gray 1982 Virago 750 with 11K > miles for $600. It needs new brakes and the battery keeps dying. Plus > someone knocked the poor thing over in the parking lot so now it needs a new > brake lever. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 13:04:59 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04501 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:03:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:03:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) You hit it on the head. All the cops consider to be "aggressive" is speeding that's why I consider this aggressive driving thing a joke. The cops don't even know what it is. Glenn > I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick > through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of what > constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 13:16:48 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05049 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4BW703D5>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:15:56 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F4F@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'bike.dealer@XXXXXX'" , NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hi! -Reply -Reply-reply Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:21:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Honestly, this should have been left "Along the Purple River" by I. P. Peculiar > -----Original Message----- > From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX [SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 12:36 PM > To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hi! -Reply -Reply-reply > > I'll bet that tattoo looks great when you wear your leather chaps with no > pants underneath. DId you know that a couple of our old friends from back > home have written books? > > "Strange Marks in the Sand" by Peter Dragon > "Cat Obedience Training for Nudists" by Claude Bahls > > > That's my 2 pennies worth... > > --Bikes R Us-- > > On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:54:28 -0400 JOE NAGY > writes: > >Holden, > >Sorry I've been out of touch for so long. Last september I hooked up > >with Harry Balszak (you remember what a freak he was) and next thing I > >knew I woke up in some fleabag in Matamoros with a huge Amazonas > >tattoo > >on my ass. Had to ride standing up for the next four days--thank god > >for the floorboards and cruise control. > >Keep in touch, > >Pat > > > >>>> Bikes R Us - 10/1/98 11:45 AM >>> > >>Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, > >> > >>Pat Magroyn > >>'81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) > > > >Pat? Is that you?! It's me, our long-lost brother, Holden! I've been > >travelling the country with our east indian friend Mahatma Kote! > > > > > >That's my 2 pennies worth... > > > >--Bikes R Us-- > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 13:27:37 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05544 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4BW703HT>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F51@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:32:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Don't know, and don't care -- there's a media hype circus (probably some commie conspiracy ;) going on about "aggressive driving" and "road rage" as though it is the way we drive in Washington, so the local LEAs will divert too many resources to supposedly combat aggressive driving, and all that will be accomplished is more tickets written for what is not really aggressive driving. Think we ought to drop the "aggressive" part and just stick with "dangerous" -- who gives a cheese if someone is being aggressive as long as it is not dangerous? I was almost run into the center median on 16th St NW yesterday by a guy in a couldn't-get-out-of-it's-own-way small pickup truck, who very non-aggressively just kept right on moseying into my lane with me almost right next to him. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 1:03 PM > To: 'Chris Norloff'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... > > You hit it on the head. All the cops consider to be "aggressive" is > speeding that's why I consider this aggressive driving thing a joke. The > cops don't even know what it is. > > Glenn > > > > > I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick > > through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of > what > > constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:01:36 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07007 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:59:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FW: European bike shootout Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:59:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Forwarded to me from someone else on the list. Thought it might be of interest to others. Glenn > From the VFR List: > > Given the recent talk comparing the VFR-800 to other bikes, I thought it > might be interesting to post the results of a multi bike endurance > shoot-out > in which the VFR-800 was a participant. The information presented here is > taken from the Dutch magazine "Moto 73", September 1998. > > The tests were conducted over a three day period on the Misano race track > in > Italy. Participants were as follows: > > Yamaha YZF-R1, Yamaha YZF-600R, Ducati 916SPS, Suzuki GSXR-600, Suzuki > GSXR-750, Kawasaki ZX-9R, Kawasaki ZX-6R, Bimota SB6R, Honda VTR-1000, > Honda > VFR-800, Honda CB-500S, Triumph Speed Triple. > > The article is quite lengthy, and for that reason I'll only reprint what I > consider to be the most interesting statistics, as well as how each bike > was > rated at the end of the race. > > Best lap times: > > YZF-R1 1.4542 > 916SPS 1.4563 > GSXR-600 1.4641 > ZX-9R 1.4712 > ZX-6R 1.4747 > SB6R 1.4750 > GSXR-750 1.4757 > VTR-1000 1.4782 > YZF-600R 1.4824 > VFR-800 1.4908 > Speed Triple 1.4923 > CB-500S 1.5865 > > Top speeds achieved on track: > > SB6R 251.77 KM/hour > YZF-R1 249.45 KM/hour > 916SPS 248.96 KM/hour > ZX-9R 247.73 KM/hour > GSXR-750 242.87 KM/hour > ZX-6R 231.09 KM/hour > VTR-1000 228.34 KM/hour > GSXR-600 226.64 KM/hour > YZF-600R 226.64 KM/hour > Speed Triple 214.55 KM/hour > VFR-800 210.43 KM/hour > CB-500S 177.09 KM/hour > > Riders impressions: > > GSXR-600 motor: 8.8, stability: 9.1, handling: 9.4, brakes: 9.1 > GSXR-750 motor: 9.4, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.8, brakes: 9.2 > VTR-1000 motor: 7.8, stability: 7.9, handling: 8.5, brakes: 8.0 > SB6R motor: 9.1, stability: 8.0, handling: 6.9, brakes: 7.1 > YZF-600R motor: 8.2, stability: 8.3, handling: 8.3, brakes: 7.4 > YZF-R1 motor: 10.0, stability: 8.6, handling: 9.3, brakes: 8.9 > Speed Triple motor: 8.5, stability: 8.1, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 > ZX-6R motor: 9.5, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.7, brakes: 8.5 > VFR-800 motor: 7.8, stability: 6.6, handling: 7.3, brakes: 7.3 > CB-500S motor: 6.7, stability: 7.1, handling: 8.0, brakes: 7.2 > 916SPS motor: 9.5, stability: 9.7, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 > ZX-9R motor: 10.0, stability: 8.1, handling: 7.6, brakes: 8.2 > > The winner of the three day marathon, somewhat surprisingly, was the > Suzuki > GSXR-600, with the VFR-800 coming in 9th. Though the GSXR-600 didn't have > the most formidable engine, many factors such as gasoline consumption, > number of tire replacements, brake pad replacements, etc., robbed the > bigger > bikes of their expected top place finishes. The monster motor of the > YZF-R1, > for instance, caused so much wear on the rear tire that it required 5 tire > changes to the GSXR-600's two. > > The inclusion of the CB-500S seems to have been someone's idea of a joke. > I > don't believe they were ever imported into the U.S., but for those > interested, the CB-500S is a 499 cc liquid cooled parallel twin with a > bikini fairing. It should come as no surprise that a bike so hopelessly > outmatched should come in last. Similarly, the VFR-800 "sport tourer" was > not in the same league with the other bikes in this event, and placed near > the bottom in almost every comparison. Sorry guys.... > > Andrew Ward > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:02:09 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07188 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: European bike shootout Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:00:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) And another's view, not mine. Glenn > I did a lot of snipping then added my own comments... > > > > > >From the VFR List: > > Best lap times: > > > > YZF-R1 1.4542 > > CB-500S 1.5865 > > > Interesting to note that the worst bike was still within two tenths > of a second of the fastest bike on this particular track (must have been a > tight one). And there are still some out there who claim it's the bike > not > the rider.. harumph > > > > Top speeds achieved on track: > > > > SB6R 251.77 KM/hour > > CB-500S 177.09 KM/hour > > > Quite a bit of a difference.... it definitley must have been a tight > track with very short straights. > > > Riders impressions: > > > > GSXR-600 motor: 8.8, stability: 9.1, handling: 9.4, brakes: 9.1 > > GSXR-750 motor: 9.4, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.8, brakes: 9.2 > > VFR-800 motor: 7.8, stability: 6.6, handling: 7.3, brakes: 7.3 > > 916SPS motor: 9.5, stability: 9.7, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 > > ZX-9R motor: 10.0, stability: 8.1, handling: 7.6, brakes: 8.2 > > > Interesting stability ratings... I've never been on the VFR 800, > but I'm guessing it's not too far off from the 94-97 models.. The 94 I > rode > was very stable.... and comparing that to my 97 GSXR... how in the world > does the bone jarring, neck breaking, head shaking 750 get an 8.8 in this > category compared to the VFR getting a 6.6!!! I don't think so...unless > it's a reverse scale :) > > No surprise that the Kow and the R1 got 10's on motor... Kawi has > always had super strong motors. > > Surprising to see sucha difference between the handling on the > GSXR600 and 750... The only difference in the two bikes is motor and very > slightly different forks on the 600... > > Gotta love those numbers on the 916!! Actually, why don't they just > call it what it is... an SPS model is a factory 996 with a lot of trick > parts to boot. And people bitch that the duc hasn't been changed in > several > years....WHY!! it looks like they've found a great thing and don't want > to > F*&$k it up... > > > The winner of the three day marathon, somewhat surprisingly, was the > > Suzuki > > GSXR-600, > > > Not too surprising here... For the things that it appears this test > looked at, the 600 is a great machine. It's nearly identical to the 750, > jsut a bit less power, but it has better front forks...probably eats fewer > tires than the 750 as well.... > > > > The inclusion of the CB-500S seems to have been someone's idea of a > joke. > > > In the overall category, it looks out of it's league, but I still > like the track times section that show it right there with all the big > boys... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:03:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07268 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29531 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05120 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01404; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:00:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: Art Crow cc: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GIVI [was: Paging Art Crow] In-Reply-To: <36138BE5.255E@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Art -- Good talking with you yesterday... BTW, I checked out GIVI's www site -- http://www.givi.it/ -- and it has *even less* information than those catalogs. Lame. -ph On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Art Crow wrote: > Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Art, are you still lurking out there? If so, would you be so kind as to let me > > know where you're hiding in this vast electronic landscape? Had a few > > questions for you on some Givi stuff..... > > > > much obliged, > > > > -Sean Jordan > > > riders@XXXXXX or 703-241-0733 > > > RE GIVI: Does anyone out there have any kind of WRITTEN warranty from > GIVI? Does anyone out there know (or think they know) what the GIVI > warranty is? > -- > Art Crow > 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" > 1996 JRT, "Higgins" > "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is > better." > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:14:36 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07769 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07418 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5FB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: non-moto: Pets still Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:15:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on DC_Cycles has far too much in common... We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) We all love bikes A good number love guns and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been getting your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored of raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned a guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of him... I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in feeder mice/rats of a reasonable size... TIA Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:49:45 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09119 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 405; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:49:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:48:58 -0400 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5FB@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I didnt know we were all gun nuts too. Wow. I fit into all the categories. Like a square peg..... There is a good feeder store on Braddock Road near GMU. I forget the name of it, I think it is twin lakes shopping center, but I could be wrong. Anyway - its the one 1/2 between mason and the beltway with the ABC store and a pool hall or Outback Steakhouse. I used to buy all my pinkies there..... At 02:15 PM 10/1/98 , Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on >DC_Cycles has far too much in common... >We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) >We all love bikes >A good number love guns >and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! > > >A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been getting >your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored of >raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned a >guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of him... > >I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in feeder >mice/rats of a reasonable size... > >TIA >Collin > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:54:51 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09199 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id OAA11518 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256690.0067C6FF ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:53:31 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256690.0067C276.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:53:58 -0400 Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Geez, is that what you're feedin' the kids these days!?!? ;-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: non-moto: Pets still I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in feeder mice/rats of a reasonable size... TIA Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:03:56 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09695 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p106.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.106]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22101 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:02:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3613CE9F.7320@flash.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:49:03 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Excelsior-Henderson References: <19981001141735.8489.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Christopher Gee wrote: > They > are expecting to generate small revenues this year, hopefully > shipping in the fall, and project revenues of $60-70 million > in 1999, aiming to capture 4-5% market share - not necessarily > taking on Harley head-to-head, but trying to scalp a small > piece of what they see as a growing pie. The Super-X is the > model they are producing, and it is slated to retail around > $18,000. Christopher, Nice synopsis. Any American company that is going to build cruisers in THAT price range is competing directly with Harley. I wonder if E-H will use 40's technology too. Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:09:24 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10116 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:08:02 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:05:47 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:08:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Aw hell Collin, you don't need no store. I'll just shoot ya a buncha small rodents outta my back yard and ship 'em to ya. Joe Savage .22 over .410 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:14:16 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10225 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOoB1-0006g1-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:14:11 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:13:31 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84925@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:11:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Do 2 pit bulls & 2 cats count(?) LOL - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still > > > > Geez, is that what you're feedin' the kids these days!?!? > ;-) > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:18:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10581 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 257; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3613D592.85DF4EC4@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:18:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles , Tracy Horstman Subject: Re: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together References: <000801bdeae8$7896c160$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > RSVP: > Please RSVP to me asap and indicate what you can bring. I'll get you > listed on the webpage so everyone can see what is already being > covered. Todd, RSVPing! The Lady Horkster and I will be there. She'll be on the Suzuki Savage, and I'll be on BugSlayer. I see we already have someone bringing lasagna, so I'll have to come up with some kind of goodies to fill the saddlebags with. MuwHahahh! Hmm. There's roadkill, or stuff the cats drag up to the doorstep, or maybe I can hunt around in the bottom of our deep-freezer . :-) Decisions, decisions. Lookin' forward to the Par-Tay! :-) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:22:13 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10670 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29871; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.187.136.56]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F0500KSLXSW86@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:22:40 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:19:21 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together To: Todd Peer , "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A7F5665@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain First, I must apologize for Dale (I do that alot) ~ he can get so strange. Since he cooked last time, I'm going to bring a desert since that's what I like to make. > ---------- > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:18 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: DC-Cycles; Tracy Horstman > Subject: Re: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > RSVP: > > Please RSVP to me asap and indicate what you can bring. I'll get you > > listed on the webpage so everyone can see what is already being > > covered. > > Todd, > > RSVPing! > > The Lady Horkster and I will be there. She'll be on the Suzuki > Savage, and I'll be on BugSlayer. I see we already have someone > bringing lasagna, so I'll have to come up with some kind of goodies to > fill the saddlebags with. MuwHahahh! Hmm. There's roadkill, or stuff > the cats drag up to the doorstep, or maybe I can hunt around in the > bottom of our deep-freezer . :-) Decisions, decisions. > > Lookin' forward to the Par-Tay! :-) > > Dale > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:24:07 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10704 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:24:01 EDT Message-Id: <199810011524.AA117572174@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still X-Mailer: Do 2 cats, a Bassett Hound, a Greyhound, 4 lovebirds, 3 parakeets, and a Cockatiel count? and that's just the ones we know about, Chris Norloff ************************************** Do 2 pit bulls & 2 cats count(?) LOL - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:36:14 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11199 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA13206 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3613CB59.E1B38070@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:35:05 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: MotoMag link X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <001c01bdec87$56f6d900$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > You're a strange puppy Dale. Now how are you gonna fix a drive shaft with a > rubber band and a popsickle stick while you're on the side of the road? ;) 1. Put the popsicle stick through the shaft where 'someone' forgot to put the connector bolt the last time he had it apart. 2. Use the rubberband to hold the stick in place so it doesn't fall out. Of course based on actual experience, I would recommend using an extra bolt from somewhere else on the bike, and using duct tape to hold it in place. Leon Former owner of a shaft drive Honda SilverWing and not a very meticulous mechanic. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:36:41 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11217 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA01120; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA31486; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001193601.HQXB31405@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:36:01 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bded72$98059800$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A7F5665@EMSS09M05> Ok, What I'm gonna do is list you both and 'Desert'....Ok? Been missing you on the list Tracey. Since Dale took that cushy job with MCI, he's been dominating the list....even more than me! ;) T > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Tracy L [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:19 PM > To: Todd Peer; 'Dale Horstman' > Cc: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > First, I must apologize for Dale (I do that alot) ~ he can get so strange. > Since he cooked last time, I'm going to bring a desert since that's what I > like to make. > > > ---------- > > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:18 PM > > To: Todd Peer > > Cc: DC-Cycles; Tracy Horstman > > Subject: Re: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > > > RSVP: > > > Please RSVP to me asap and indicate what you can bring. I'll get you > > > listed on the webpage so everyone can see what is already being > > > covered. > > > > Todd, > > > > RSVPing! > > > > The Lady Horkster and I will be there. She'll be on the Suzuki > > Savage, and I'll be on BugSlayer. I see we already have someone > > bringing lasagna, so I'll have to come up with some kind of goodies to > > fill the saddlebags with. MuwHahahh! Hmm. There's roadkill, or stuff > > the cats drag up to the doorstep, or maybe I can hunt around in the > > bottom of our deep-freezer . :-) Decisions, decisions. > > > > Lookin' forward to the Par-Tay! :-) > > > > Dale > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:48:06 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11651 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id PAA19666 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256690.006CAC11 ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:46:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256690.006CA79D.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:47:24 -0400 Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've got a chocolate lab/sheppard mutt named "Moka" (hey, it was gonna be "kitty" or "Kool Aid" so ease back ;-) But I don't have a motorcycle anymore...like, am I even allowed on this list now?!?! :-) heh heh heh -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX Please respond to cnorloff@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Do 2 cats, a Bassett Hound, a Greyhound, 4 lovebirds, 3 parakeets, and a Cockatiel count? and that's just the ones we know about, Chris Norloff ************************************** Do 2 pit bulls & 2 cats count(?) LOL - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 17:04:38 1998 Return-Path: cgee1@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15139 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f127.hotmail.com [207.82.251.6]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28637 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6244 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 1998 20:03:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19981001200337.6243.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.114.156.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:03:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.114.156.164] From: "Christopher Gee" To: leerider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excelsior-Henderson Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:03:37 PDT Lee wrote: >Christopher, > >Nice synopsis. Any American company that is going to build cruisers in >THAT price range is competing directly with Harley. I wonder if E-H >will use 40's technology too. > >Lee yeah, i found Hanlon's comments about that a little disingenious -- the super-x model they showed looked exactly like a harley-davidson, even with the speedo on the gas tank. their stock is doing pretty well today, up 2.5% while the rest of the market is tanking. cheers, Christopher red F3 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:27:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18532 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03723 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14174 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:14 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , , Subject: RE: Newbie bike, or something for the commuter Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bded8a$b2a3f040$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <001001bded4f$ab7f7c20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Yeah, but George, it was an Eliminator, a Kawasaki. If you want a 'real > motorcycle', buy a Honda. Yeah, yeah... FWIW, my dad thinks that the Eliminator is a modern day Mach III (his second bike, BTW) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:27:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18529 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03720 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14168 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Header welder needed!! Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bded8a$b1c9bce0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You might not want to come to St. Mary's Co. Maryland, but the best (and cheapest) welders I've ever seen are down here. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [mailto:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:01 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Header welder needed!! > > > One of the header joints on my TL broke clean off and Suzuki > won't replace it > under warranty because it _may_ have been caused by crash damage. That's > bullshit but oh well. Anyway, Im looking for a local steel > welder to redo the > joint. I am looking to pay no more than $50 since it is a rather > small job. > I tried the phone book but found out that most local welders are > welders on > the side and got a lot of answering machines. My biggest > priority is that I > want someone who I can schedule an appointment with and bring the > bike in and > have it done in an hour or so all while waiting. Most places > were telling me > the leave the bike and all. I dont trust a welder moving my baby > around so no > dice there. This is a priority since my Yosh exhaust cans are coming on > Monday! If you know of anyone who welds (and does a good job) or any > suggestions, let me know ASAP! > Thanks > Jack > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18978 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BREAa02329; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ce017c8.36140414@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:08 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: European bike shootout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/1/98 2:07:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << The tests were conducted over a three day period on the Misano race track > in > Italy. Participants were as follows: > >> I read the article in the original while I was in Italy for August holiday. The ZX-9R broke down and only ran part the first day. The times got progressively better for the bikes as the days wore on and the chassis set-up was optimized during the test. (Don Canet of Cycleworld, the only american mag tester there, who I spoke to after the test, can confirm it) In a similar mega-test done at the Nurenburgring by another Italian mag) the top three were the Ducati followed by the R-1 and then the ZX-9R, which in that test, hit the highest trap speed. By the way, the use of 10-1 for grading is based on Italian grade school grading of students where 10 is an A. ZX-9Rs are the only real motorcycles. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:49 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18980 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:18 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bded8a$b5c813a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3613D592.85DF4EC4@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'll be there. SWMBO will be there also (if her rib allows. It should be healed by then.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:51 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18982 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Christopher Gee" , , Subject: RE: Excelsior-Henderson Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bded8a$b4cc4e80$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981001200337.6243.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Correcting itself. The P/E ratio has been quite insane. Then there's those of us young enough to live out one or two market problems, and still retire at 65 (if invested now:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > their stock is doing pretty well today, up 2.5% while the rest > of the market is tanking. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:53 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18984 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Excelsior-Henderson Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bded8a$b38eec80$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3613CE9F.7320@flash.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not from what I understand. DOHC engine. Course, it has a springer front... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Powell [mailto:leerider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:49 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Excelsior-Henderson > > > > Christopher Gee wrote: > > They > > are expecting to generate small revenues this year, hopefully > > shipping in the fall, and project revenues of $60-70 million > > in 1999, aiming to capture 4-5% market share - not necessarily > > taking on Harley head-to-head, but trying to scalp a small > > piece of what they see as a growing pie. The Super-X is the > > model they are producing, and it is slated to retail around > > $18,000. > > Christopher, > > Nice synopsis. Any American company that is going to build cruisers in > THAT price range is competing directly with Harley. I wonder if E-H > will use 40's technology too. > > Lee > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18986 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:10 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bded8a$b0ef8980$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199810011454.KAA28934@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Follow the money. more money for speeding than 'failing to signal while changing lanes.' ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:57 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... > > > At 10:14 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: > >All the cops around here are on operation shark something or other. > >Attacking agressive > >drivers for speeding, blowing stop signs, etc. > > I think the newspaper reported Fairfax county issued 1800 citation last > month for Aggressive Driving. About half were for speeding and the next > highest category (about 11%) were for disobeying traffic signs. > > With all the tailgating, weaving, and cutting people off around here, I > find it hard to believe that their biggest category after speeding was > disobeying traffic signs, and that was only 1 out 10 people they caught. > > I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick > through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of what > constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 19:24:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21132 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04329 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15377 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WITYa10655 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still - snake food Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I get mine in Alexandria at the Petsmart in Beacon Hill on Rt 1. $1 for mice.... Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 19:51:17 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22104 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id LFXQa02317 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8cbe0563.36141537@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:50:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/01/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Hello, I thought I was signed up for the regular list, not the digest. I can't open files that come to me as .mime Please help me fix the problem. Thanks ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 22:04:39 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27420 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnorton ([208.195.115.142] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00941 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: <007e01bdeda9$437a8200$8e73c3d0@bnorton> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Fw: European bike shootout Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:02:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >From the VFR List: Given the recent talk comparing the VFR-800 to other bikes, I thought it might be interesting to post the results of a multi bike endurance shoot-out in which the VFR-800 was a participant. The information presented here is taken from the Dutch magazine "Moto 73", September 1998. The tests were conducted over a three day period on the Misano race track in Italy. Participants were as follows: Yamaha YZF-R1, Yamaha YZF-600R, Ducati 916SPS, Suzuki GSXR-600, Suzuki GSXR-750, Kawasaki ZX-9R, Kawasaki ZX-6R, Bimota SB6R, Honda VTR-000, Honda VFR-800, Honda CB-500S, Triumph Speed Triple. The article is quite lengthy, and for that reason I’ll only reprint what I consider to be the most interesting statistics, as well as how each bike was rated at the end of the race. Best lap times: YZF-R1 1.4542 916SPS 1.4563 GSXR-600 1.4641 ZX-9R 1.4712 ZX-6R 1.4747 SB6R 1.4750 GSXR-750 1.4757 VTR-1000 1.4782 YZF-600R 1.4824 VFR-800 1.4908 Speed Triple 1.4923 CB-500S 1.5865 Top speeds achieved on track: SB6R 251.77 KM/hour YZF-R1 249.45 KM/hour 916SPS 248.96 KM/hour ZX-9R 247.73 KM/hour GSXR-750 242.87 KM/hour ZX-6R 231.09 KM/hour VTR-1000 228.34 KM/hour GSXR-600 226.64 KM/hour YZF-600R 226.64 KM/hour Speed Triple 214.55 KM/hour VFR-800 210.43 KM/hour CB-500S 177.09 KM/hour Riders impressions: GSXR-600 motor: 8.8, stability: 9.1, handling: 9.4, brakes: 9.1 GSXR-750 motor: 9.4, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.8, brakes: 9.2 VTR-1000 motor: 7.8, stability: 7.9, handling: 8.5, brakes: 8.0 SB6R motor: 9.1, stability: 8.0, handling: 6.9, brakes: 7.1 YZF-600R motor: 8.2, stability: 8.3, handling: 8.3, brakes: 7.4 YZF-R1 motor: 10.0, stability: 8.6, handling: 9.3, brakes: 8.9 Speed Triple motor: 8.5, stability: 8.1, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 ZX-6R motor: 9.5, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.7, brakes: 8.5 VFR-800 motor: 7.8, stability: 6.6, handling: 7.3, brakes: 7.3 CB-500S motor: 6.7, stability: 7.1, handling: 8.0, brakes: 7.2 916SPS motor: 9.5, stability: 9.7, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 ZX-9R motor: 10.0, stability: 8.1, handling: 7.6, brakes: 8.2 The winner of the three day marathon, somewhat surprisingly, was the Suzuki GSXR-600, with the VFR-800 coming in 9th. Though the GSXR-600 didn’t have the most formidable engine, many factors such as gasoline consumption, number of tire replacements, brake pad replacements, etc., robbed the bigger bikes of their expected top place finishes. The monster motor of the YZF-R1, for instance, caused so much wear on the rear tire that it required 5 tire changes to the GSXR-600’s two. The inclusion of the CB-500S seems to have been someone’s idea of a joke. I don’t believe they were ever imported into the U.S., but for those interested, the CB-500S is a 499 cc liquid cooled parallel twin with a bikini fairing. It should come as no surprise that a bike so hopelessly outmatched should come in last. Similarly, the VFR-800 "sport tourer" was not in the same league with the other bikes in this event, and placed near the bottom in almost every comparison. Sorry guys.... Andrew Ward ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 22:17:12 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27919 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19952 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981001224124.006bc3ec@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:41:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Oh yeah... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow, the Maxim looks to be the deal of the decade for me... At first, it wouldn't fire at all when I cranked it over, but after i pulled the carbs I could tell why. Nice varnish and corrosion layer inside :( I did the el quicko clean job and re-installed them (about an hour total) and cranked it over... a few presses of the button and it fired right up. Took it a while to warm up and to blow some of the crap out of the carbs, but it settled down nicely. Took it out for a ride and all seems well. It's gonna need a new battery, but they're cheap. The tires are a bit old, but they'll get me through winter. Besides, this is gonna be my commuter bike. This way I'll be able to put nice sticky rubber on the EX and make it a weekend play toy! The only thing still "wrong" with the maxim is a leaky left fork seal which will be replaced soon (it's a simple enough job) cause it leaks right onto the only front disc :( making it a little harder to stop than it should and also a little rough in the front suspender department. I think Chris relly underestimated the condition of the bike... It's in a lot better shape than I expected...especially for having been stored outside with no attention for so long... I'll take some digital pics after work tomorrow if anyone's interested.... _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 06:47:13 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18554 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Header welder needed!! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:45:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Give us some names George. Seriously, I need some trailer rails made for a three rail trailer I have. After searching endlessly for them I'm going to have to have them made by a welder. Glenn > You might not want to come to St. Mary's Co. Maryland, but the best (and > cheapest) welders I've ever seen are down here. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 07:11:53 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19389 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-09.dial.nova.org (pm1-09.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.137]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA28602; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh yeah... Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:13:37 GMT Message-ID: <3615b538.988709041@beta.nova.org> References: <3.0.1.32.19981001224124.006bc3ec@pop.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981001224124.006bc3ec@pop.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:41:24 -0400, cfagan@XXXXXX wrote: >I think Chris relly underestimated the condition of the bike... It's in = a >lot better shape than I expected...especially for having been stored >outside with no attention for so long... I'll take some digital pics = after >work tomorrow if anyone's interested.... What for? To tease those of us who were just a couple minutes slower than you in contacting Chris? :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 07:25:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19918 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12526 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (known idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25316 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3.loudoun.com (external-modem-3-254.loudoun.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.2.1998.05.04.15.32) with SMTP id <0F07000ER6DE2P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:25:11 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman, LCSA" Subject: Re: Oh yeah... To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <002401bdedf7$763483a0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Priority: 3 Okay Collin, just keep rubbing our noses in it (grin). -----Original Message----- From: cfagan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:29 PM Subject: Oh yeah... >Wow, the Maxim looks to be the deal of the decade for me... >At first, it wouldn't fire at all when I cranked it over, but after i >pulled the carbs I could tell why. Nice varnish and corrosion layer inside >:( I did the el quicko clean job and re-installed them (about an hour >total) and cranked it over... a few presses of the button and it fired >right up. >Took it a while to warm up and to blow some of the crap out of the carbs, >but it settled down nicely. Took it out for a ride and all seems well. >It's gonna need a new battery, but they're cheap. The tires are a bit old, >but they'll get me through winter. Besides, this is gonna be my commuter >bike. This way I'll be able to put nice sticky rubber on the EX and make >it a weekend play toy! >The only thing still "wrong" with the maxim is a leaky left fork seal which >will be replaced soon (it's a simple enough job) cause it leaks right onto >the only front disc :( making it a little harder to stop than it should and >also a little rough in the front suspender department. >I think Chris relly underestimated the condition of the bike... It's in a >lot better shape than I expected...especially for having been stored >outside with no attention for so long... I'll take some digital pics after >work tomorrow if anyone's interested.... >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 07:28:27 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20230 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4CKX6WT5>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:27:40 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F53@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still -Reply Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:33:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Come and listen to muh story bout a man named Jed, a poor NOVA geek, barely kep his reptiles fed.... > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cfagan@XXXXXX; mike@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still -Reply > > Aw hell Collin, you don't need no store. I'll just shoot ya a buncha > small rodents outta my back yard and ship 'em to ya. > > Joe > Savage .22 over .410 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 07:50:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21118 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12776 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25898 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id HAA01921; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3614BC6D.AB1B01E4@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:43:41 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5FB@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am about to make a big buy from a place called Cajun mice, Do yours eat frozen? They have good prices I am paying $20 for 100 pinkies. Let me know if you need there prices, I will be ordering on Monday. Jay Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on > DC_Cycles has far too much in common... > We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) > We all love bikes > A good number love guns > and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! > > A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been getting > your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored of > raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned a > guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of him... > > I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in feeder > mice/rats of a reasonable size... > > TIA > Collin From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 08:04:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21753 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13133 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26637 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4BW064RP>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F55@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:08:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Do you get cocktail sauce with that? > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:44 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still > > I am about to make a big buy from a place called Cajun mice, Do yours eat > frozen? They have good prices I am paying $20 for 100 pinkies. Let me > know if > you need there prices, I will be ordering on Monday. > > Jay > > Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > > Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on > > DC_Cycles has far too much in common... > > We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) > > We all love bikes > > A good number love guns > > and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! > > > > A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been > getting > > your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored > of > > raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned > a > > guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of > him... > > > > I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in > feeder > > mice/rats of a reasonable size... > > > > TIA > > Collin > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 08:42:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23370 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13501 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27471 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Oct 2 07:42 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA02618 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:42:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDEDE0.8AFE9800@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cold Weather Suits Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:41:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was noticing on the Joe Rocket web site, www.joerocket.com, that the full snowmobiling suits are the same MSRP as the bib pants. Has anyone considered wearing a full snowmobiling suit while riding? BTW, what gives with the price of $180 for bibs or a suit? It's *almost* as bad as a ski jacket. FWIW, ski jackets now start at around $300. Uggg! John Carver VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 08:43:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23380 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13513 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27481 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Oct 2 07:43 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA03154 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:43:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDEDE0.B6249570@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Changer Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey would somebody, (or Todd Peer I think), send me the address for payment on the tire changer? I was in delete mode yesterday due to the heat from all the Harley flames :-). Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 08:52:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23805 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13582 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27701 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Oct 2 07:52 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA05981 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:52:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDEDE1.F1A5A070@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:51:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) Thanks. John Carver 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:05:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24289 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13760 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27926 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-15.dial.nova.org (pm1-15.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.143]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00200 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Cold Weather Suits Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:07:41 GMT Message-ID: <3615cfe3.995536497@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:41:11 -0400, "Carver, John" wrote: >Has anyone considered wearing a full snowmobiling suit while riding? I've used a snowmobile suit before. They do an excellent job. I replaced mine with an electric vest though... Much less bulky for the same level of warmth. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:24:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25116 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13956 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28287 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zP5CE-0001Im-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:34 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:23:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84934@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'kirk@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cold Weather Suits Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:21:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wear the Gerbing electric jacket liner - it's awesome! - Jeannette > I've used a snowmobile suit before. They do an excellent job. I > replaced mine with an electric vest though... Much less bulky for the > same level of warmth. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:26:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25129 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13970 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28314 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zP5Dk-0001R7-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:08 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84935@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Shifting Problem Fixed Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:23:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for everyone's input about my shifting problem. Of course it just had to be something simple, the clutch lever was very loose (don't ask me, I don't know what was wrong)... Tom tightened it & voila! It was pretty comical trying to get to school the other night with a bike that wouldn't let me into 3rd gear at first... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:35:31 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25611 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic116.cais.com [207.226.56.116]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25021 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981002093327.006ab394@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:33:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: Hi! In-Reply-To: <199810011219.IAA22401@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ROTFLMAO ! At 08:19 AM 10/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself - > >I've been riding since before I could walk, and I always ride - cars are >only for weak people, like girls. I ride only the best, an Amazona. The >bike is an icon, worshipped by many. If you have to ask, you wouldn't >understand the answer. They're so popular, there's a waiting list - which >proves that they're the best bikes in the world. Anything less is for >pussies, the pussy-whipped, and girls. > >Women really love my Amazona - many times, complete strangers walk up and >offer to perform kinky sex acts on me and my dog. What a bike! > >I like loud pipes 'cause I want people to hear me and notice me. Heck, I >even installed a WWII air raid siren and keep it running all the time - I >definitely get noticed, and it has saved me from many accidents. > >I also want to be seen - can't be too safe! I've installed wide-beam >headlights 360 degrees around my bike, so brain dead cagers approaching >from ANY angle can see me. To provide the electricity necessary, I mounted >a car's alternator to my bike. Even so, when I switch on the lights I have >to always keep the engine above 3,000 rpm or it stalls from the electrical >load. > >I wear only the best - leather from bulls. I don't want anything from cows >or castrated steers, that's for wimps. And girls. > >Helmets can kill, so I never wear a helmet. I wear the scars on my face as >a badge of pride. > >But I'm still a member of the MSF to support motorcycle rights, the AMA to >get good safety instruction, and ABATE to fight against the killer power >lines over my house. > >So that's the way it is, if anyone disagrees with me then they're wimps, or >girls. > >signed, >Falk Yew > > > > > > > 98 ZX 900R "Loki" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:36:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25621 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14078 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28672 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA06274; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:35:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: "Carver, John" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Cold Weather Suits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John -- I wear a snowmobiling suit when it's cold, and it works very well. I picked it up at that surplus store in Tyson's Corner. Pete. On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Carver, John wrote: > I was noticing on the Joe Rocket web site, www.joerocket.com, that > the full snowmobiling suits are the same MSRP as the bib pants. Has > anyone considered wearing a full snowmobiling suit while riding? BTW, > what gives with the price of $180 for bibs or a suit? It's *almost* > as bad as a ski jacket. FWIW, ski jackets now start at around $300. > Uggg! > > John Carver > VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:37:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25649 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14112 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f211.hotmail.com [207.82.251.102]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28735 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24874 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 1998 13:37:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19981002133711.24873.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.114.156.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:37:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.114.156.164] From: "Christopher Gee" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:37:10 PDT since they are cajun mice, it must be pan-blackened mice, or mice jumbalaya, or mice-n-crawdad. >From: "Mersch, Tom" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still >Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:08:58 -0400 > >Do you get cocktail sauce with that? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:44 AM >> To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still >> >> I am about to make a big buy from a place called Cajun mice, Do yours eat >> frozen? They have good prices I am paying $20 for 100 pinkies. Let me >> know if >> you need there prices, I will be ordering on Monday. >> >> Jay >> >> Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >> >> > Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on >> > DC_Cycles has far too much in common... >> > We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) >> > We all love bikes >> > A good number love guns >> > and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! >> > >> > A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been >> getting >> > your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored >> of >> > raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned >> a >> > guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of >> him... >> > >> > I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in >> feeder >> > mice/rats of a reasonable size... >> > >> > TIA >> > Collin >> >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:43:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25757 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14178 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28842 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810021343.JAA28842@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A872A08042E; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:43:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:03:28 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Cold Weather Suits In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:41 AM 10/2/98 -0400, Carver, John wrote: >I was noticing on the Joe Rocket web site, www.joerocket.com, that >the full snowmobiling suits are the same MSRP as the bib pants. Has >anyone considered wearing a full snowmobiling suit while riding? I used to wear one all the time in cold weather. Now I prefer the protection of an Aerostich and use several layers of clothes and an electric vest. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:46:25 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26078 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA10726; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:45:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA14969; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002134549.HXDF18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:45:49 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdee0a$d6c8a800$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <000501bded8a$b5c813a0$6e0000c0@demon> Importance: Normal I'll mark you down. Would you like to bring something tasty to eat? What happened to your GF? T > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:28 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > I'll be there. SWMBO will be there also (if her rib allows. It should be > healed by then.) > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:55:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26458 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14346 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29095 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA02228; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3614DB24.FF29B889@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:54:44 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Gee , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , bgsbny@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still References: <19981002133711.24873.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are pinkies there are only three ways to eat them, in gumbo so they are nice and moist, popcorn style (yes you can use cocktail sauce), or you dislocate your jaw and swallow them hole. Jay Christopher Gee wrote: > since they are cajun mice, it must be pan-blackened mice, > or mice jumbalaya, or mice-n-crawdad. > > >From: "Mersch, Tom" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still > >Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:08:58 -0400 > > > >Do you get cocktail sauce with that? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:44 AM > >> To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still > >> > >> I am about to make a big buy from a place called Cajun mice, Do > yours eat > >> frozen? They have good prices I am paying $20 for 100 pinkies. Let > me > >> know if > >> you need there prices, I will be ordering on Monday. > >> > >> Jay > >> > >> Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > >> > >> > Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that > everyone on > >> > DC_Cycles has far too much in common... > >> > We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) > >> > We all love bikes > >> > A good number love guns > >> > and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! > >> > > >> > A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been > >> getting > >> > your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real > bored > >> of > >> > raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone > mentioned > >> a > >> > guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold > of > >> him... > >> > > >> > I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking > in > >> feeder > >> > mice/rats of a reasonable size... > >> > > >> > TIA > >> > Collin > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:55:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26461 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14350 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (known e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29104 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 0418 ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:55:33 EDT Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:54:51 EDT Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256691.004CC8CD ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:58:41 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256691.004B4693.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:52:24 -0400 Subject: Drivel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII As a Motorcyclist I find this constant justification tiring. I read the list in Digest form and often just scrap the whole thing because of the redundant ranting about what is right and proper. I am sure I am missing valuable information hidden within these excessively long digests. Please don't take the bait! Ride your ride, and enjoy it. There would not be so many choices in the market if there weren't so many opinions of what a Motorcycle is. Back in lurk mode...... look forward to meeting some of you on the 24th..... Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:56:32 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26478 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA19119; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:55:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA24784; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002135557.HZST18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:55:57 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Oh yeah... Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdee0c$40927440$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19981001224124.006bc3ec@pop.erols.com> Importance: Normal I guess since you've been w/o a street bike for so long, you're most deserving. But I could just tell from the advert that it would be a great bike: 'Free Motorcycle. Come and get it!' Cool! Now you can get out and ride with us again. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: cfagan@XXXXXX [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Oh yeah... > > > Wow, the Maxim looks to be the deal of the decade for me... > At first, it wouldn't fire at all when I cranked it over, but after i > pulled the carbs I could tell why. Nice varnish and corrosion > layer inside > :( I did the el quicko clean job and re-installed them (about an hour > total) and cranked it over... a few presses of the button and it fired > right up. > Took it a while to warm up and to blow some of the crap out of the carbs, > but it settled down nicely. Took it out for a ride and all seems well. > It's gonna need a new battery, but they're cheap. The tires are > a bit old, > but they'll get me through winter. Besides, this is gonna be my commuter > bike. This way I'll be able to put nice sticky rubber on the EX and make > it a weekend play toy! > The only thing still "wrong" with the maxim is a leaky left fork > seal which > will be replaced soon (it's a simple enough job) cause it leaks right onto > the only front disc :( making it a little harder to stop than it > should and > also a little rough in the front suspender department. > I think Chris relly underestimated the condition of the bike... It's in a > lot better shape than I expected...especially for having been stored > outside with no attention for so long... I'll take some digital > pics after > work tomorrow if anyone's interested.... > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 10:06:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26999 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14540 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29515 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA00033; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:06:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25627; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002140605.ICPF18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:06:05 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bdee0d$ab71f640$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal The easy, cheepy way to do it is to insert your axle into the wheel and secure it (the axle) such that it is level and the wheel can spin freely. I'm hoping we get a more enthusiastic buy in for the tire changer. We could then purchase a nicer balancing device. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 8:52 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Beating a dead horse . . > > > Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to > the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) > Thanks. > > John Carver > 98 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:12:02 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29585 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:09:24 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:11:59 -0400 Message-ID: <006601bdee17$008ad940$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000001bdee0a$d6c8a800$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'll have to think about the eats.... Girlfriend got hit by a minivan while on her bicycle. She's still on one crutch (can't use two because of the broken rib). Other than a wounded ego, and a tiny scar from some road rash, she'll be okay though. It just takes time. We pick up the bike this afternoon. Only about $150 or so to repair. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 9:45 AM > To: George Howell > Cc: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > I'll mark you down. Would you like to bring something tasty to eat? > > What happened to your GF? > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:28 PM > > To: Todd Peer > > Cc: DC-Cycles > > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > > > > I'll be there. SWMBO will be there also (if her rib allows. It should be > > healed by then.) > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > -George Howell > > ghowell@XXXXXX > > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:11:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29582 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:09:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Header welder needed!! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <006501bdee16$ffb0a5e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lacey's welding in Clements MD. 301 769 2431 My father swears by 'em. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [mailto:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 6:46 AM > To: 'George Howell'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Header welder needed!! > > > Give us some names George. Seriously, I need some trailer rails > made for a > three rail trailer I have. After searching endlessly for them > I'm going to > have to have them made by a welder. > > Glenn > > > > You might not want to come to St. Mary's Co. Maryland, but the best (and > > cheapest) welders I've ever seen are down here. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:20:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29824 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15567 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01916 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09088; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4DG7QNBX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:55 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC607@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John, What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you just find the heavy spot and add weight(s) opposite it accordingly. Very similar setup to the fancey "tool" the shops use...(their jack stands have knife edge rollers to allow the axle to spin as well... > Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to > the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) > Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:31:37 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00598 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 369; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:30:53 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:29:46 -0400 To: "George Howell" , "Todd Peer" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Cc: "DC-Cycles" In-Reply-To: <006601bdee17$008ad940$6e0000c0@demon> References: <000001bdee0a$d6c8a800$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981002153053321.AAA238.369@vulture> God damn mommyvans anyways..... At 11:11 AM 10/2/98 , George Howell wrote: >I'll have to think about the eats.... > >Girlfriend got hit by a minivan while on her bicycle. She's still on one >crutch (can't use two because of the broken rib). Other than a wounded ego, >and a tiny scar from some road rash, she'll be okay though. It just takes >time. We pick up the bike this afternoon. Only about $150 or so to repair. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 9:45 AM >> To: George Howell >> Cc: DC-Cycles >> Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together >> >> >> I'll mark you down. Would you like to bring something tasty to eat? >> >> What happened to your GF? >> >> T >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:28 PM >> > To: Todd Peer >> > Cc: DC-Cycles >> > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together >> > >> > >> > I'll be there. SWMBO will be there also (if her rib allows. It should be >> > healed by then.) >> > >> > ---------------------------------------- >> > -George Howell >> > ghowell@XXXXXX >> > georgehowell@XXXXXX >> > >> > >> > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:33:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00676 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15728 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02337 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09800; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4DG7QNBZ>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:23 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC609@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Gary Foreman, LCSA'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Oh yeah... Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain OK, I'll behave.... I was just excited that it started up and was running good... If everything looks OK, I may head out on that ride this weekend... > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman, LCSA [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 8:46 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Oh yeah... > > Okay Collin, just keep rubbing our noses in it (grin). > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 12:02:55 1998 Return-Path: MINEREG@XXXXXX Received: from PASHA.COM (pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01716 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:59:49 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:59:22 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycles Logo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 12:36:46 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03310 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0E0385022E; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:35:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002123806.00fb3810@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:39:21 -0400 To: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:59 AM 10/2/98 -0400, Sean Sullivan wrote: > Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo >(view 1B under "logos" at >www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll buy two, and think $10-14 each is a suitable price range. (Get good thick ones, not the real thin ones you find at beach outlet malls). thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:21:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05085 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17287 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06004 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 297; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <36150B7C.E4D2CEA@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:21:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh yeah... References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC609@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why behave? It was an absolute crime that you, Collin, the most skilled rider on this list, was without a street bike. I'm glad that you got the scoot. Even gladder that it runs! Ride Safe! Horkster Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > OK, I'll behave.... I was just excited that it started up and was running > good... If everything looks OK, I may head out on that ride this weekend... > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:24:49 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05115 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 341; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:23:49 -0400 Message-ID: <36150C58.6D9CB07C@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:24:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: RSVP for DC-Cycles References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A7F5665@EMSS09M05> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Yeah, the job has it's slow moments, but I also will have to be working BOTH days this weekend to help get us back onto an impossible schedule. :( It sucks to be me. :( :( Oh well. Y'all have a good weekend out there. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:26:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05128 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17349 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06233 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA28544; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:28:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028313; Fri, 2 Oct 98 13:27:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F070013MN32XJ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256691.005F7963 ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:22:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:12:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Cc: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <85256691.005E5FB2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to balance the tires? --chris To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Date: 10/02/98 03:20:53 PM GMT Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . John, What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you just find the heavy spot and add weight(s) opposite it accordingly. Very similar setup to the fancey "tool" the shops use...(their jack stands have knife edge rollers to allow the axle to spin as well... > Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to > the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) > Thanks. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:30:07 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05504 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10109 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F07002BDN9WGY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:29:47 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:27:09 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A904B8F@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain I've used FADZ in the Potomac Mills mall (Neighborhood 1, I think) and they do pretty good at putting stuff on mugs, mouse pads, shirts of course, hats. I think their prices are reasonable too. Oh, BTW, I'm back on the list for those who have missed me. ;-) Tracy ---------- From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Sent: 10/2/98 11:59:22 AM Subject: DC-Cycles Logo DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:32:09 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05532 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17161 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F070020BNDFGY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:31:55 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:29:17 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A904B90@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain What sizes do you think you'll get? I want at least 4 XXX-L and 1 kid's medium (size 10-12) and 1 kid's small (size 5 - 6) ---------- From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Sent: 10/2/98 11:59:22 AM Subject: DC-Cycles Logo DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:33:47 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05560 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12161 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.187.136.56]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F0700DK3NG4I4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:34:14 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:30:55 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A904B91@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain And there's always the real inexpensive way of buying the Iron on paper at Staples, running them off on a nice color printer and iron them on the T-shirts yourself. ;-) Ok - I'll be quiet now.... ---------- From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Sent: 10/2/98 11:59:22 AM Subject: DC-Cycles Logo DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:34:16 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05587 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA01278; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:35:39 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000887; Fri, 2 Oct 98 13:35:13 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F07002Z2NFNQW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256691.006029D8 ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:30:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:20:59 -0400 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo To: Sean Sullivan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256691.005F2ED9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Sean, Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or black t-shirts? --chris From: Sean Sullivan Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT Subject: DC-Cycles Logo --snip- Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:52:59 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06485 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 166; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:52:24 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:52:23 -0400 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A904B90@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981002175224322.AAA238.166@vulture> XXX-L? You gonna use them as bike covers? :-) At 01:29 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: >What sizes do you think you'll get? I want at least 4 XXX-L and 1 kid's >medium (size 10-12) and 1 kid's small (size 5 - 6) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:53:46 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06495 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:53:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: Sean Sullivan , "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:53:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. the world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color doesn't really matter to me. > ---------- > From: > christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > ] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM > To: Sean Sullivan > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo > > Sean, > > Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or > black t-shirts? > > --chris > > From: Sean Sullivan > Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT > Subject: DC-Cycles Logo > > --snip- > Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen > logo (view 1B under "logos" at > www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the > interest in stickers and other items, so > let me know if you would be interested in these. > I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If > anyone works at a print shop or can > recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > Sean Sullivan > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:55:40 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06508 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A3874D9022E; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:55:19 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002135405.00fc4860@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:56:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . In-Reply-To: <85256691.005E5FB2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some do. But the most common is the kind you see at race tracks - two uprights with knife-edge supports on ball bearings. Stick an axle shaft through the wheel, set it on the knife-edges, and the heavy part of the wheel always settles to the bottom. Much better than trying it on the bike, with wheel bearing drag and brake pad drag. Nice and simple, can't break, gravity is reliable. Chris Norloff At 01:12 PM 10/2/98 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to balance the >tires? > >--chris > >To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > >cc: >From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" >Date: 10/02/98 03:20:53 PM GMT >Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . > > > > >John, >What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) >between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you just >find >the heavy spot and add weight(s) opposite it accordingly. Very similar >setup to the fancey "tool" the shops use...(their jack stands have knife >edge rollers to allow the axle to spin as well... > > > >> Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to >> the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) >> Thanks. >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:59:50 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06582 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA31898; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:57:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002175659.KHPP18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:56:59 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Sean Sullivan" , , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bdee2d$eca95020$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Will the designer of 1b please step forward and take a bow? I've used your logo on the DC-Cycles Summit page http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ and now Sean is proposing T-Shirts. You might as well take credit, whomever you are. Todd > > DC-Cycles Logo > > Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed > DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and > anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, > the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep > the cost around $10. > Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the > chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at > www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to > gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so > let me know if you would be interested in these. > I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the > numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can > recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > Sean Sullivan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The polls have been closed and here are the results: > > 1A- 1 > 1B- 8 > 5 - 1 > 8 - 4 > 10 - 3 > 11 - 3 > 12 - 5 > 14 - 2 > > So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. > > Don B > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:00:49 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06660 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4CD55D0212; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:00:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002140340.00fc91e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:05:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", that logo really needs a black shirt. Chris Norloff At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. the >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color doesn't >really matter to me. > >> ---------- >> From: >> christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX >> ] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM >> To: Sean Sullivan >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> Sean, >> >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or >> black t-shirts? >> >> --chris >> >> From: Sean Sullivan >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> --snip- >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the >> interest in stickers and other items, so >> let me know if you would be interested in these. >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If >> anyone works at a print shop or can >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. >> Sean Sullivan >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:01:32 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06897 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:01:30 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA13429; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:03:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa13173; Fri, 2 Oct 98 14:02:42 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F070051OOPH7T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256691.0062ADE2 ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:57:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:58:46 -0400 Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "Horstman, Tracy L" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <85256691.0062A93E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Um, Dale .... watch out man, your wife is quoting Potomac Mills stores by Neighborhood!!!! :-) Danger, Danger .... --chris To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" cc: From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Date: 10/02/98 05:27:09 PM GMT Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo I've used FADZ in the Potomac Mills mall (Neighborhood 1, I think) and they do pretty good at putting stuff on mugs, mouse pads, shirts of course, hats. I think their prices are reasonable too. Oh, BTW, I'm back on the list for those who have missed me. ;-) Tracy ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:06:32 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07067 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:06:27 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA15277; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:08:11 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015040; Fri, 2 Oct 98 14:08:02 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0700775OYMRC@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256691.0063301B ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:03:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:03:32 -0400 Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Cc: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256691.006312D5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I don't care which color either, but I suggest you see a sample on a black shirt (due to how dark the logo is) before running off a whole batch. Just food for thought ... I'm sure Sean will do a swimmingly good job, chris To: Sean Sullivan , Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Date: 10/02/98 05:53:10 PM GMT Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. the world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color doesn't really matter to me. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:10:09 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07106 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03808; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F0700FTJP4M56@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:09:49 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:07:10 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "'Michael Troutman'" , "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5E@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain Apparently, we have never met. Dale (Horkster) wears bike covers.... ;-) I just like them big. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:52 PM > To: Horstman, Tracy L; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > > XXX-L? You gonna use them as bike covers? > > :-) > > At 01:29 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > >What sizes do you think you'll get? I want at least 4 XXX-L and 1 kid's > >medium (size 10-12) and 1 kid's small (size 5 - 6) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:10:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07116 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18001 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07918 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256691.006394DB ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:07:41 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256691.00638D50.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:07:37 -0400 Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline gravity is reliable. Yea and if it ever fails, were in deep shit. 8-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:22:13 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07621 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA19422; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002182112.KMZK18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:12 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: Static Wheel Balancing Was: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdee31$4e52cf60$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <4.1.19981002135405.00fc4860@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal This type of balancer is common in smaller shops, and IMO works just fine. However, you can get an exceptionally balanced outcome by mixing 1/2 no.2 grease (I use Graphite impregnated grease) and 1/2 motoroil and coating the axle where it meets the bearings. It's only about a gram of each, but it really loosens things up. With this, you can revert back to what Collin was suggesting (the jack stands), and keep it simple, accurate and inexpensive. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . > > > Some do. But the most common is the kind you see at race tracks - two > uprights with knife-edge supports on ball bearings. Stick an axle shaft > through the wheel, set it on the knife-edges, and the heavy part of the > wheel always settles to the bottom. > > Much better than trying it on the bike, with wheel bearing drag and brake > pad drag. > > Nice and simple, can't break, gravity is reliable. > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:22:58 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07786 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4D5H7XFC>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:21:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) How about some of each? I don't care for black t-shirts myself but I know other do. Glenn > Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", > that logo really needs a black shirt. > > > At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. > the > >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color > doesn't > >really matter to me. > > > >> > >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or > >> black t-shirts? > >> > >> --chris > > > >> --snip- > >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen > >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at > >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge > the > >> interest in stickers and other items, so > >> let me know if you would be interested in these. > >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. > If > >> anyone works at a print shop or can > >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > >> Sean Sullivan > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:25:02 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07925 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28630 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.187.136.56]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F0700JQBPTJ20@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:25:29 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:22:09 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5F@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua (blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to easily > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 2:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > > Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", > that logo really needs a black shirt. > > Chris Norloff > > > At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. > the > >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color > doesn't > >really matter to me. > > > >> ---------- > >> From: > >> > christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > >> ] > >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM > >> To: Sean Sullivan > >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo > >> > >> Sean, > >> > >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or > >> black t-shirts? > >> > >> --chris > >> > >> From: Sean Sullivan > >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT > >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo > >> > >> --snip- > >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen > >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at > >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge > the > >> interest in stickers and other items, so > >> let me know if you would be interested in these. > >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. > If > >> anyone works at a print shop or can > >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > >> Sean Sullivan > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to > >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, > or > >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >> received > >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from > any > >> computer. > >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09417 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 257; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <36152345.CB94F130@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:02:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo References: <85256691.0062A93E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Um, Dale .... watch out man, your wife is quoting Potomac Mills stores by > Neighborhood!!!! :-) > > Danger, Danger .... > Now you know why I have to work weekends.... (Not really) :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:11:21 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09912 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 252; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:10:26 -0400 Message-ID: <36152554.FE4F0D8E@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:11:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5F@EMSS09M05> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua > (blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to easily > Oh boy, wuss colors for our geek group t-shirts. Do you really wanna see us get beaten up at rallies, huh? Or just me? :) Black, and/or grey work just fine for me. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10057 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4D5H7YRB>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:13:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Todd, I think Gil (Buell Boy) came up with 1a and 1b. He's temporarily off the list. Glenn > Will the designer of 1b please step forward and take a bow? I've used > your > logo on the DC-Cycles Summit page > http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ and now Sean is proposing > T-Shirts. You might as well take credit, whomever you are. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:16:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10157 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19295 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10530 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 0VEOa17823; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1718d4d.36152511@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:10:09 EDT To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/2/98 1:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: << Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to balance the tires? >> Usually, motorcycle tires are statically balanced by shops. I have yet to see a dynamic (spin) balancer locally. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:33:21 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10857 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA7D6BE0218; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:33:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002152700.00fcd540@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:27:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5F@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So then you'd have the logo with a black box around it? Chris Norloff At 02:22 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua >(blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to easily > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 2:06 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", >> that logo really needs a black shirt. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >> >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. >> the >> >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color >> doesn't >> >really matter to me. >> > >> >> ---------- >> >> From: >> >> >> christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX >> >> ] >> >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM >> >> To: Sean Sullivan >> >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> >> >> Sean, >> >> >> >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or >> >> black t-shirts? >> >> >> >> --chris >> >> >> >> From: Sean Sullivan >> >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT >> >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> >> >> --snip- >> >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen >> >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at >> >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge >> the >> >> interest in stickers and other items, so >> >> let me know if you would be interested in these. >> >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. >> If >> >> anyone works at a print shop or can >> >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. >> >> Sean Sullivan >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >> to >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, >> or >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> >> received >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from >> any >> >> computer. >> >> >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:38:17 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11218 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABA66D40218; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:38:14 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002154009.00fd48c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:41:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: <36152554.FE4F0D8E@tidalwave.net> References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5F@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:11 PM 10/2/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Oh boy, wuss colors for our geek group t-shirts. Do you really >wanna see us get beaten up at rallies, huh? Or just me? :) > >Black, and/or grey work just fine for me. Grey? Dale you are so lazy. Ask Tracy how to use the washing machine and you won't have to get grey so you can tell people that's the color it's SUPPOSED to be. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:18:20 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL ([199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12682 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:17:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Please, no box around it. > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 3:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > > So then you'd have the logo with a black box around it? > > Chris Norloff > > > At 02:22 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > > > I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua > >(blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to > easily > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 2:06 PM > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > >> > >> Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", > >> that logo really needs a black shirt. > >> > >> Chris Norloff > >> > >> > >> At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >> >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. > >> the > >> >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color > >> doesn't > >> >really matter to me. > >> > > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: > >> >> > >> > christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > >> >> ] > >> >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM > >> >> To: Sean Sullivan > >> >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo > >> >> > >> >> Sean, > >> >> > >> >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey > or > >> >> black t-shirts? > >> >> > >> >> --chris > >> >> > >> >> From: Sean Sullivan > >> >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT > >> >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo > >> >> > >> >> --snip- > >> >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the > chosen > >> >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at > >> >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to > gauge > >> the > >> >> interest in stickers and other items, so > >> >> let me know if you would be interested in these. > >> >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the > numbers. > >> If > >> >> anyone works at a print shop or can > >> >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > >> >> Sean Sullivan > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity > >> to > >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, > >> or > >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >> >> received > >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from > >> any > >> >> computer. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:26:57 1998 Return-Path: MINEREG@XXXXXX Received: from PASHA.COM (pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13043 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:23:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:23:19 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline RE: DC-Cycles Logo I did 1a and 1b. Harry put them up on the DC-Cycles web page with a bunch of awesome designs by other list members. Don took the vote. Since 1b was picked, I felt I should be the one to go find a print shop and make t-shirts. We already have a good number of people who have expressed interest. We should have enough people to make it worth getting some in black and some in another color (gray? red? aqua? yellow? Let me know and I'll see which is the most popular alternate). Most people are asking for XL and up in size. Several people have asked for stickers. For those who haven't, please let me know what you'd like and if you'd prefer an alternate color. Thanks. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will the designer of 1b please step forward and take a bow? I've used your logo on the DC-Cycles Summit page http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ and now Sean is proposing T-Shirts. You might as well take credit, whomever you are. Todd <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:35:38 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13541 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA00826 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810022030.QAA00826@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: PLease edit quoted message...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text folks, I am not in digest mode (lucky me), but from time to time I am downloading all mail over very slow links. It would really help a lot if when replying you would delete majority of quoted message. Nothing worse then a simple line me too ! and after it whole previous posting , sometimes reposted already 3-4 times. thank you, _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:46:19 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from Manassas1.TDS-GN.LMCO.COM (manassas1.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13961 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmco.com (pointer) by Manassas1.TDS-GN.LMCO.COM (4.1/mls/4.1) id AA16446; Fri, 2 Oct 98 15:58:35 EDT Sender: horstmt@XXXXXX Message-Id: <361531DD.742F84E5@lmco.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:04:46 -0400 From: Tracy Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo References: <4.1.19981002152700.00fcd540@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > So then you'd have the logo with a black box around it? > > Chris Norloff > > At 02:22 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > > > I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua > >(blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to easily > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 2:06 PM > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > >> > >> Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", > >> that logo really needs a black shirt. > >> > >> Chris Norloff > >> > >> > >> At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >> >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. > >> the > >> >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color > >> doesn't > >> >really matter to me. > >> > > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: > >> >> > >> christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > >> >> ] > >> >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM > >> >> To: Sean Sullivan > >> >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo > >> >> > >> >> Sean, > >> >> > >> >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or > >> >> black t-shirts? > >> >> > >> >> --chris > >> >> > >> >> From: Sean Sullivan > >> >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT > >> >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo > >> >> > >> >> --snip- > >> >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen > >> >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at > >> >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge > >> the > >> >> interest in stickers and other items, so > >> >> let me know if you would be interested in these. > >> >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. > >> If > >> >> anyone works at a print shop or can > >> >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > >> >> Sean Sullivan > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > >> to > >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, > >> or > >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >> >> received > >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from > >> any > >> >> computer. > >> >> > >> >> > >> Yeah, why not? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:57:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14422 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20633 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14633 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WWDJa03786 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81bd10f3.36153df4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:56:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: spin balance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Usually, motorcycle tires are statically balanced by shops. I have yet to see >a dynamic (spin) balancer locally. Bob's BMW has one, and they have a stand for static balance too. Individual mechanics tend to prefer one or the other. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:57:40 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14432 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:38 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00921 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810022100.RAA00921@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Rleather repair shop To: dc-cycle@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: zbig@XXXXXX I received to pointers: 1) Tricks of trade; - advertised in Winding road, located in Great Falls off Walker St; phone is 703-759-4565 2) There is a leather repair shop in the Countryside shopping center - just to the left of the silo (sorry - don't remember the name) They have anothershop by the Shopper's Food Warehouse in the old (and almost dead) shopping center on Rt 7, at Dranesville Rd. My pants are repaired in tricks of trade - nice place. I will post up or downs next week, after they are done with it. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:58:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14442 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20643 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.clark.net (known postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14684 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15185; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iname.com (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28041; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36153EC9.42C82BB0@iname.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:59:53 -0400 From: Mark Truelove X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC607@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still wondering what to do for a single-sided swingarm. I have a couple of concepts that should work, but I haven't translated them into a real-world device yet. :) MET Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > John, > What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) > between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 17:13:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15049 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20862 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15471 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WAZAa02329; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d1483c9.361541c8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:40 EDT To: MotorLE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: spin balance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/2/98 5:03:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MotorLE@XXXXXX writes: << Bob's BMW has one, >> Gee wiz, those BMW people are sooooooooo, esoteric. By the way, the best spin balancers I know of are the kind that spin the wheel while the wheel is on the bike, kind of like a tread mill and sensors. Is that the kind Bob has? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 17:22:25 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15396 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA20086; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:22:36 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:21:51 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44A5@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Put me down for two shirts (if possible), preferably something in X-large (again, if Possible) Jason -----Original Message----- From: Sean Sullivan [mailto:MINEREG@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 11:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycles Logo DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 17:46:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16583 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21174 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16388 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WQCCa22759 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:45:56 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: single sided swing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 There a single sided swingarm on my BMW. There is an apaptor that BMW sells which bolts to the wheel, allowing it to be balanced. Obviously, since the bike does not have a rear axle, I would have to borrow someone else's axle, or use a balancing stand. It is not a universal thing, it is specifically for the wheel on my model, but I wonder if such an item is available for other kinds of bikes. Colleen >I'm still wondering what to do for a single-sided swingarm. I have a >couple of concepts that should work, but I haven't translated them into >a real-world device yet. :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 17:51:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16664 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21225 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16481 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WKOGa07925 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:49:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: spin balance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Gee wiz, those BMW people are sooooooooo, esoteric Huh? >By the way, the best spin >balancers I know of are the kind that spin the wheel while the wheel is on the >bike, kind of like a tread mill and sensors. Is that the kind Bob has? It's not that kind. I've never seen anything like that in a bike shop. I forgot what kind Bob has, but maybe it is Snap-on. It operates the same way as other ones I have used. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 18:08:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17473 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21449 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17203 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12632; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3615631E.74A9F4CE@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:34:54 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Truelove CC: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC607@MSCEX> <36153EC9.42C82BB0@iname.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't payed that close attention out at the track when Jack Smith does tires, but I think for the Hawk and Ducati riders, it's the same setup, just a larger axle???? Not sure... Maybe Brian McCoy can pass the question along to Al Lapp or Thane Steilow... Mark Truelove wrote: > > I'm still wondering what to do for a single-sided swingarm. I have a > couple of concepts that should work, but I haven't translated them into > a real-world device yet. :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 19:30:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20537 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22420 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19417 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WXMJa17798; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:34 EDT To: MotorLE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: spin balance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/2/98 6:02:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MotorLE@XXXXXX writes: << Huh? >> It was a joke. It is the type of balancer used at European "speed shops" and tracks for cars and bikes. It turns the wheel with the vehicle's weight on it to simulate the tire's deflection at various (high) speeds. Cioa, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 21:17:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24677 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23354 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20866 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:15:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <00cd01bdee6b$a416a220$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <85256691.005E5FB2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not most moto shops. FWIW, I've read in one or two places that a good static balancing is better than spin balancing. Spin balancers are just good to train new people how to do it (or for high volumes) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to > balance the > tires? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 21:21:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25035 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23388 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20886 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:19:10 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mark Truelove" Cc: Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00ce01bdee6c$2e250a60$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36153EC9.42C82BB0@iname.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Read the info on a pocket wheel balancer at www.ibmwr.org. Somebody came up with a spindle to do this on the BMW single sided swingarms. Should be adaptable to your needs. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Truelove [mailto:true@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 5:00 PM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG > Cc: 'Carver, John'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . > > > I'm still wondering what to do for a single-sided swingarm. I have a > couple of concepts that should work, but I haven't translated them into > a real-world device yet. :) > > MET > > Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > > > John, > > What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) > > between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 21:26:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25056 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:14:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Sean Sullivan" , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: <00cc01bdee6b$83050ea0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Wasn't my favorite logo, but, what they heck. Put me down for two. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 02:34:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA07550 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27681 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25531 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:51 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WBHRa18748 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <80e7514d.3615c55e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Cold running Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 First, I apologize for cross-posting, but the situation warrants it, in my opinion. Well, the cold weather is finally upon us. I've never ridden in very cold weather before because my air-cooled Nighthawk didn't fair so well, and I enjoyed the comfort of my cage ( has heat!). But this year, with my new (to me) Shadow, I do plan on riding some. Tonite it got down to the 30s and I went out riding. First, I noticed that it barely got to the lowest part of the "Normal Temp Range" on the temperature gauge. Then, much to my surprise, the bike seemed to miss at highway speeds. I noticed that adjusting the choke compensated a bit, but it still missed some. Also, looking at the tach, it appears that the clutch is slipping some at highway speeds (I normally do 80mph @4500RPM, but instead was doing a mere 65mph @4000RPM). What could be the problem? I'm using 10W-40 oil, and running 93 octane. My first guess is to check the sparkplug gap and get the oil changed to something lighter (10W30?), otherwise I'm clueless (and burned out by my FAA exams). She ran fine earlier today when it was warmer and seems to run fine at slower speeds if I don't whack the throttle (She hesitates if I really give it to her). Thanks for any help!!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 (a warm weather bike?) * From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 02:52:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08348 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27813 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA26078 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 02:50:18 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Cold running Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <00e001bdee9a$73eb0bc0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <80e7514d.3615c55e@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sounds like you are a victim of our lovely lean tuned US engines. I don't know enough about carbs (it's the one thing I've, knock wood, never had a problem with on cars, bikes, boats, etc... Oh, I take it back. Had a tarnished carb on a Honda generator once. But that was easily to clean. Open the jets, soak in some caustic chemicals lying around the garage, put it back together.) Anyway, before monkeying around too much, wait for someone more knowledgable to respond. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [mailto:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 2:34 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Cold running > > > First, I apologize for cross-posting, but the situation warrants it, in my > opinion. > > Well, the cold weather is finally upon us. I've never ridden in very cold > weather before because my air-cooled Nighthawk didn't fair so well, and I > enjoyed the comfort of my cage ( has heat!). But this year, with > my new (to > me) Shadow, I do plan on riding some. Tonite it got down to the > 30s and I went > out riding. First, I noticed that it barely got to the lowest part of the > "Normal Temp Range" on the temperature gauge. Then, much to my > surprise, the > bike seemed to miss at highway speeds. I noticed that adjusting the choke > compensated a bit, but it still missed some. Also, looking at the tach, it > appears that the clutch is slipping some at highway speeds (I normally do > 80mph @4500RPM, but instead was doing a mere 65mph @4000RPM). > What could be > the problem? I'm using 10W-40 oil, and running 93 octane. My > first guess is to > check the sparkplug gap and get the oil changed to something > lighter (10W30?), > otherwise I'm clueless (and burned out by my FAA exams). She ran > fine earlier > today when it was warmer and seems to run fine at slower speeds if I don't > whack the throttle (She hesitates if I really give it to her). > Thanks for any > help!!! > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 (a warm weather bike?) > * > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 06:58:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20026 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29880 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA27674 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:58:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WCSa029185; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9475e63c.36160331@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:53 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/3/98 2:39:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << I noticed that adjusting the choke compensated a bit, but it still missed some. Also, looking at the tach, it appears that the clutch is slipping some at highway speeds (I normally do 80mph @4500RPM, but instead was doing a mere 65mph @4000RPM). What could be >> Two little rules Robert (rules always have exceptions of course): 1. If a bike misses at all RPMs it usually a spark related problem, if it misses at specific RPMs e.g. mid-range, it is usually a fuel mixture problem. 2. Colder air is denser, so if anything you're bike will run richer, not leaner in cold temperatures. Regarding your engine temperature, if your gauge put you anywhere in the normal range, it is probably another problem not the temperature. However, people are known to remove thermostats in an attempt to make engines run cooler. Check if you have a thermostat installed. Usually thermostats stick in a closed position so when they screw up they cause the bike to overheat, not stay cold. I doubt the cold would make your clutch slip, in fact I would think the opposite. Have you done anything recently to the bike, i.e. washed it, adjusted the clutch, cleaned the air filter, topped up your engine oil etc? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 09:27:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25568 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01230 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28517 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-113-67.s67.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.67]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16050; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36122E47.52BE@erols.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:12:39 -0400 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . References: <1718d4d.36152511@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/2/98 1:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: > > << Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to balance the > tires? >> > Usually, motorcycle tires are statically balanced by shops. I have yet to see > a dynamic (spin) balancer locally. > > Ciao, > > Fred Hey Fred, Stop by and say "HI" to my spin balancer. I've had it for years and it was the first one in the area for M/C's. Riders Accessory Warehouse 132 W. Jefferson St. Falls Church, va 22046 703-241-0733 -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 15:50:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10079 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04562 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02500 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id UMMJa02082; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5fc7901.36167fda@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:49:46 EDT To: riders@XXXXXX Cc: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/3/98 9:22:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, riders@XXXXXX writes: << Stop by and say "HI" to my spin balancer. I've had it for years and it was the first one in the area for M/C's. >> Good to know, I will when I need tires. Thanks. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 18:49:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16562 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06204 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04484 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WAIBa17798 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d4f7233.3616a9de@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'd have to disagree about a bike running too rich in colder air. Due to the higher air density, there is more air per unit volume, and thus a higher air/fuel ratio (running lean). This would explain why my choke helped it run better. It was actually cutting back the air, and making the mixture more rich. So far, it sounds like I may need to either let the bike warm up completely before riding in the cold, or get the carb mixture set to run a bit more rich for the colder weather. At any rate, it's raining and I'm not going out riding anyway. :( Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 19:08:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17372 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06393 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04686 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WRDGa03786 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <451469b.3616ae1f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:07:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 86-VFR-750 For Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 A friend has offered to sell me a vintage race-ready bike BSA 500 single, so if I want it I've got to sell a bike. Before I place an ad in the Post next weekend, I thought I'd post here. It is a true 750, not too many around and the few that were imported were only brought in to able to race production class in AMA. They had a substantially higher list price than the 700s. Mechanically it is nearly perfect. The chassis set-up is very, very stable. You can take your hands off the bars and there is no wobble at all on decelleration, most VFRs of this vintage will wobble when you take your hands off the bars, but I spent alot of time on forks, wheels and steering bearing adjustment to make it stable. Forks have Progressive springs and spacer. Tires and chain were put on new this spring. Tires are one size wider than stock 120 front and 140 rear. Dunlop K-591s, the best all-around tire for this bike I think. Pads were new in June. Battery is a year old. Bike starts in the coldest weather with 2 seconds of starter The motor doesn't use a drop of oil and it is very, very powerful for a VFR. It has a Supertrapp system and cans, Dyno jet Stage 3. This 86 VFR (the 750) ran a 10.95 1/4 mile and did 157 MPH top speed in Cycle magazine in the June 86 issue, still the fastest VFR ever, including the 98, and the lightest. Esthetics are not perfect but good, and the bike is very presentable; I get many compliments. It is painted burgundy with white Honda and VFR-750 graphics and the stock red-white-blue "Interceptor" decal on both sides of the tail section. I'd like to get $3,000 for it. The MCN (3/98) price is $2,885 and NADA is over $3,000 (I hear) for an average example, I think it is much better than average mechanically. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 19:12:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17730 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06432 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04730 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WAFEa17798; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36463153.3616af3e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:11:58 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/3/98 6:56:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << I'd have to disagree about a bike running too rich in colder air. >> You are absolutely right, what was I thinking. :-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 13:31:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29912 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16412 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13905 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:29:05 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Cold running part 2 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:31:26 -0400 Message-ID: <004201bdefbc$d078a6e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4d4f7233.3616a9de@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 My guess is that running your bike a little richer would help at all times. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 14:36:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02493 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16984 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14537 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7GHVa02341; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:35:19 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I agree about the need to run richer. Problem is that in order to adjust the carbs, I basically have to disassemble the bike and I'd need a portable tachometer. All that aside, I don't know how much I'd need to adjust it. I may end up taking it to my local dealer and see what they say. With "social" commitments (read possible girlfriend :) in Annapolis, I plan on slabbing it out and it's on the highway that I noticed the hesitations (from the bike!). Right now I'm getting around 48/60MPG city/hwy, and wouldn't mind a cut in efficiency for some more power. Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 17:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Brianpm@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08609 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id RAA09453; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id RAA29967; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wheel balancing.. In-Reply-To: <199810022300.TAA19299@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whee.. me on Digest.. gotta love it.. Anyway, my local shop does have an electronic wheel balancer.. probably the only reason I order tires through them (I pay about $10 a tire over advertised moto-rag prices). Also, it's nice and handy for them to order my tires, because I'm getting guaranteeded new (look at the DOT date) tires, unlike what I used to get from MAW, Dennis Kirk, Comp. Acc., etc.. most of those tires were dated by about 6 months. Anyway.. carry on with the 'this is better than that' discussion (relates to everything, doesn't it?) Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 18:54:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12166 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19383 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17641 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WHBJa02343 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:53:44 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 All this talk about temp, lean/rich. Geess.... Look at your plugs, they will tell ya all ya need to know. I really can't believe that your performance is affected that much due to the minor temp changes we have had over the last few days. Dial your carb in based on what the plugs look like and be done with it. The shadow is water cooled? How about covering some of the radiator. I know we cover oil coolers on Harley's and it can make a big difference. Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 20:01:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14659 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19992 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18521 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16001; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36184334.C1930E80@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:55:32 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I wouldn't call going from 50 degree mornings to 30 degree mornings minor... That's quite a big change. (and cold sucks!! he he he) I do agree with covering the radiator though.. If the bike isn't getting up to proper operating temps, just cover a portion of the radiator with duct tape. BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: I really can't believe that your > performance is affected that much due to > the minor temp changes we have had over > the last few days. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 21:20:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17852 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20656 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19516 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([128.126.170.55]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 316; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: <36181F9E.E70A468@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:23:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 References: <004201bdefbc$d078a6e0$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > My guess is that running your bike a little richer would help at all times. > Except in the fuel economy department. But only some of us are anal about stuff like that. :-) Richer is safer from the engine's standpoint, yes. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 21:54:23 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19020 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3UXBa07909 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:53:48 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f1ae8f5.361826ac@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:53:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/4/98 9:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Except in the fuel economy department. But only some of us are anal about stuff like that. :-) Richer is safer from the engine's standpoint, yes. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me >> Food for thought, too rich will cost ya power. You remember the story of the three bears? This one's to cold, this one's to hot, ah this one's just right. ST From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 22:38:02 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20692 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup60.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0C00OCA1YBGO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:37:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:33:37 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Racing To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <001701bdf021$b4f6c4a0$fc4c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Dammitalltohell!!!!! I hate Carl Fogarty.......bastard won the WSB championship today. I was putting my money on Slighty, oh well. Haga will dominate next year on the R7 8^) Good news back in the states, though. Ben Bostrom won the AMA Superbike championship today, beating out Doug Chandler, who had some engine trouble. Uncharacteristic of the Muzzy engine, but Ben rode great all year. His brother Eric will be the one to watch next year. 750 supersport, eh, it lost me with all those disqualification's to Team Hypercycles Suzuki. Congrads to Steve Crevier, winning the 600 supersport championship. The best bar to bar racing, IMO. I like to see the champion win races, however, but consistency pays off I guess. Someone told me that Scott Russell will be coming back to the AMA series, but don't know if he's staying with Yamaha or not. Yamaha did fairly well, Rich Oliver 4th and Jamie Hacking 8th overall. Not bad for the old YZF 750. Crappy weather kept me inside today, but caught some great racing. More good news, the Cowboys spanked the Redskins! Woohoo....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 23:14:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21972 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21847 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21406 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8YYQa19215; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:13:42 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:13:42 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/4/98 9:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Richer is safer from the engine's standpoint, yes. >> Up to a point, overly rich mixtures cause oil viscosity to go down and impairs proper lubrication. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 23:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22290 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EPMSa10153; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:16:32 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <3dc7deb8.36183a10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:16:32 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/4/98 10:43:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << More good news, the Cowboys spanked the Redskins! Woohoo....... >> Was there really any doubt? I like Ducati so Fogarthy's win is ok by me, Ducati must have one the Manufacturer's Championship too, I guess. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 23:42:04 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23139 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup60.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0C0075M4WX51@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:41:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:37:35 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Racing To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003a01bdf02a$a4401e00$fc4c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 -> I like Ducati so Fogarthy's win is ok by me, Ducati must have one the >Manufacturer's Championship too, I guess. > >Ciao, > >Fred Being a bit patriotic eh? P. Chili had a pretty good year too. Maybe an Italian can take Doohan's title this year........... What drives me crazy is the English broadcasters that are sooo biased. Can't blame them, but it's always Foggy this and Foggy that. They're just swinging from his n*ts and won't let go. Well, now that I think about it, the American broadcasters during the Daytona 200 were damn annoying also. Nick Ienatch is a goober. Freddie Spencer does a good job during the Speedvision AMA races, though. Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 00:34:48 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25152 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 00:22:09 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jon S." , "DC Cycle Club" Subject: RE: Racing Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:24:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bdf018$0fba7080$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <001701bdf021$b4f6c4a0$fc4c37a6@default> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Like that was an achievement or something... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Crappy weather kept me inside today, but caught some great > racing. More > good news, the Cowboys spanked the Redskins! Woohoo....... From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 06:29:59 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09220 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EOCa007909; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52f095ac.36189f6d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:01 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/4/98 11:41:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Being a bit patriotic eh? P. Chili had a pretty good year too. Maybe an Italian can take Doohan's title this year........... >> Yes, and also I like the idea of a little company competing and winning against Honda which has practically unlimited resources. II also like Aprilia in the 250 for the same reason. I think it's a little too much for Max in the 500, afterall it's his first year and I think that the official factory Hondas have a little more ooopmh than his. If Yamaha can get him to sign up with them next year it could be interesting. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 07:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10766 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4D5H8AK1>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:07:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sorry Sean, I don't why I thought Gil made them. Maybe because there is a Buell on 1A? Anyhow I'd like a couple shirts in either gray or white. I like the idea of stickers. Maybe even some static cling ones too. The kind you can put on the inside of a window. Glenn > I did 1a and 1b. Harry put them up on the DC-Cycles web page with a > bunch of awesome designs by other list > members. Don took the vote. Since 1b was picked, I felt I should be the > one to go find a print shop and make > t-shirts. > We already have a good number of people who have expressed interest. We > should have enough people to make it worth getting some in black and some > in another color (gray? red? aqua? yellow? Let me know and I'll see which > is the most popular alternate). Most people are asking for XL and up in > size. > Several people have asked for stickers. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 07:44:15 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11997 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZBFa02082 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37590e57.3618b0e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:43:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: 1998 Meeting of the Minds Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_907587818_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907587818_boundary Content-ID: <0_907587818@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Info for those of you who care about the future of motorcycling. ST In a message dated 10/4/98 10:28:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, charlie@mrf.= org writes: << Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- E-MAIL NEWS RELEASE PO BOX 1808, Washington, DC 20013-1808 202-546-0983 (voice) 202-546-0986 (fax) steve@XXXXXX (e-mail) http://www.mrf.org (website) IMMEDIATE RELEASE=09=09=09=09=09Contact: Rosemary Curtin October 3, 1998=09=09=09=09=09=09Phone: 803-359-9852 1998 Meeting of the Minds a Huge Success! The 14th annual Meeting of the Minds held in Indianapolis, Indiana, was a huge success thanks to the work of a number of talented people available within the motorcyclists=92 rights movement. This world class educationa= l conference was hosted by ABATE of Indiana. There were 337 attendees at th= is years conference. 42 states were represented as well as 4 attendees from the Federation of European Motorcyclists=92 Associations (FEMA). All of these attendees converged on Indianapolis to discuss future issues of concern to motorcyclists, and share strategies to deal with these issues. The highlight of this year=92s conference was a panel discussion that foc= used on the issue of accepting special insurance requirements for motorcyclist= s on helmet law modifications bills. This issue has generated contention among various groups across the nation. The leaders of all these organizations participated on this panel and proved that they can work through contentious issues successfully and focus on common goals. All agreed that unity is essential for motorcyclists to deal with all the issues affecting the future of motorcycling. Examples of the complex issues highlighted at this conference were globalization of the motorcycling community and a workshop presenting the preliminary findings in the MRF research project on state motorcycle insurance law. This conference is the primary fund-raising event for the MRF. Treasurer Tom Pauley was elated with the stable financial status and steady growth = of fiscal responsibility. Mr. Pauley commented, =93Even though we had a few less participants at this year=92s MOTM, the show of support from the mem= bers and organizations was approximately the same as last year. The auction w= as extremely successful as well.=94 The treasurer=92s report was presented = and attendees were advised that copies of the financial report were available for review. The budget management process instituted by Mr. Pauley and supported by the efforts of the board of directors has eliminated the mid-summer financial crises of the past. The cost of running the MRF Washington, DC office has increased to $895 per day (up from $872 in 1997= ). Supporters were prompted to keep this in mind when considering the value of their contributions. Mr. Pauley even paid for one day of operation by auctioning his ponytail for a mere $900! Last year=92s MRF member survey indicated a need for information on fundraising projects, insurance issues, and effective communications. These subjects were addressed in various new workshops throughout the weekend. The MRF=92s new Director of Events & Conferences, Rosemary Curti= n stated, =93Education of our own is the primary purpose of these seminars= =94. This year=92s MOTM workshops continued the drive to excellence motorcycli= sts have come to expect at MRF conferences. No less than 20 workshops offere= d 6 at a time in 4 time slots provided all from the oldest members to the first-timers the chance to learn new and old lessons valuable to motorcyclists. It was a team work exercise for attendees to get the most from these various education opportunities such as conference planning, legislative committee operation, conflict negotiation & resolution, information research, basic and advanced political activity, fourth amendment rights, and more. They were well attended and well received according to the post-conference surveys. The 1998 Meeting of the Minds rejuvenated the unity of the rights movemen= t and identified new directions for future action. Begin planning for next years Meeting of the Minds to be held September 24, 25 and 26, 1999 in Denver, Colorado now! The Motorcycle Riders Foundation, incorporated in 1987, is a membership based national motorcyclists' rights organization headquartered in Washington D.C. The MRF is involved in federal and state legislation and regulations, motorcycling safety education, training, licensing and publi= c awareness. The MRF provides members and state motorcyclists' rights organizations with direction and information to protect motorcyclists' rights and motorcycling. The MRF sponsors annual regional and national educational seminars for motorcyclists' rights activists and publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, THE MRF REPORTS. Voice: 202-546-0983, Fax: 202-546-0986, E-Mail: steve.org, http://www.mrf= .org -- 30 -- >> --part0_907587818_boundary Content-ID: <0_907587818@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay27.mx.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air08.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:28:17 -0400 Received: from mailbox.iamerica.net (mailbox.iamerica.net [207.101.121.6]) by relay27.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id WAA27129; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charliew (iax-muskogee-ppp020.iamerica.net [207.101.41.29]) by mailbox.iamerica.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA00563; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:24:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981004211959.006eca8c@mailhost.iamerica.net> X-Sender: charliew@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:19:59 -0500 To: Charles_E._Williams@XXXXXX From: Charles Williams Subject: 1998 Meeting of the Minds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- E-MAIL NEWS RELEASE PO BOX 1808, Washington, DC 20013-1808 202-546-0983 (voice) 202-546-0986 (fax) steve@XXXXXX (e-mail) http://www.mrf.org (website) IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Rosemary Curtin October 3, 1998 Phone: 803-359-9852 1998 Meeting of the Minds a Huge Success! The 14th annual Meeting of the Minds held in Indianapolis, Indiana, was a huge success thanks to the work of a number of talented people available within the motorcyclists’ rights movement. This world class educational conference was hosted by ABATE of Indiana. There were 337 attendees at this years conference. 42 states were represented as well as 4 attendees from the Federation of European Motorcyclists’ Associations (FEMA). All of these attendees converged on Indianapolis to discuss future issues of concern to motorcyclists, and share strategies to deal with these issues. The highlight of this year’s conference was a panel discussion that focused on the issue of accepting special insurance requirements for motorcyclists on helmet law modifications bills. This issue has generated contention among various groups across the nation. The leaders of all these organizations participated on this panel and proved that they can work through contentious issues successfully and focus on common goals. All agreed that unity is essential for motorcyclists to deal with all the issues affecting the future of motorcycling. Examples of the complex issues highlighted at this conference were globalization of the motorcycling community and a workshop presenting the preliminary findings in the MRF research project on state motorcycle insurance law. This conference is the primary fund-raising event for the MRF. Treasurer Tom Pauley was elated with the stable financial status and steady growth of fiscal responsibility. Mr. Pauley commented, “Even though we had a few less participants at this year’s MOTM, the show of support from the members and organizations was approximately the same as last year. The auction was extremely successful as well.” The treasurer’s report was presented and attendees were advised that copies of the financial report were available for review. The budget management process instituted by Mr. Pauley and supported by the efforts of the board of directors has eliminated the mid-summer financial crises of the past. The cost of running the MRF Washington, DC office has increased to $895 per day (up from $872 in 1997). Supporters were prompted to keep this in mind when considering the value of their contributions. Mr. Pauley even paid for one day of operation by auctioning his ponytail for a mere $900! Last year’s MRF member survey indicated a need for information on fundraising projects, insurance issues, and effective communications. These subjects were addressed in various new workshops throughout the weekend. The MRF’s new Director of Events & Conferences, Rosemary Curtin stated, “Education of our own is the primary purpose of these seminars”. This year’s MOTM workshops continued the drive to excellence motorcyclists have come to expect at MRF conferences. No less than 20 workshops offered 6 at a time in 4 time slots provided all from the oldest members to the first-timers the chance to learn new and old lessons valuable to motorcyclists. It was a team work exercise for attendees to get the most from these various education opportunities such as conference planning, legislative committee operation, conflict negotiation & resolution, information research, basic and advanced political activity, fourth amendment rights, and more. They were well attended and well received according to the post-conference surveys. The 1998 Meeting of the Minds rejuvenated the unity of the rights movement and identified new directions for future action. Begin planning for next years Meeting of the Minds to be held September 24, 25 and 26, 1999 in Denver, Colorado now! The Motorcycle Riders Foundation, incorporated in 1987, is a membership based national motorcyclists' rights organization headquartered in Washington D.C. The MRF is involved in federal and state legislation and regulations, motorcycling safety education, training, licensing and public awareness. The MRF provides members and state motorcyclists' rights organizations with direction and information to protect motorcyclists' rights and motorcycling. The MRF sponsors annual regional and national educational seminars for motorcyclists' rights activists and publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, THE MRF REPORTS. Voice: 202-546-0983, Fax: 202-546-0986, E-Mail: steve.org, http://www.mrf.org -- 30 -- --part0_907587818_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 07:58:57 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12727 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3AKNa22760 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51582f67.3618b449@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:58:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 >Well, running too lean has to be the answer. Everything else checks out. The only time the bike hesitates is when I'm between 3 and 4k RPM and the engine is working hard (ie accelerating, or climbing hills). If I only put a moderate load on the engine, it rides just fine. So, I can either change the way I ride during the winter (yeah right!!), or I can get the carbs adjusted. And like I've heard, running rich is better all around. One question: Would adjusting the pilot screws richen up the mixture enough, or do I need to rejet? I've already experimented some with blocking off the radiator... it works to a point. My best bet is to let it warm up before I ride. I guess I'll start using my cage for commuting, and my bike for weekend rides. BTW, ST (and any others in the Annapolis area) if you'd like to go for a ride sometime when I'm out that way, I'm sure I can persuade her to join us. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf"< Hey ya Rob, Go ahead and bump your main jet up one size. Don't mess with the mixture screw, that is a different thing entirely. You problem is between 3 & 4 grand. If you play with the mixture you effect the entire system. Your main jet is the ticket and it really is not that big a deal to change. You don't need to take it to the shop for that. Usually the biggest part of the job is getting at the base of the carb without removing the carb from the bike. I don't really know how the Shadow is set up, however, it is a v-twin. Is the carb on the side between the cylinders like a Harley is set up? You just drop off the float bowl and the main jet is right there. Replace it with one size larger and go for a ride. By the way did you change the pipes? Or are you running stock? That will make a big difference in your jetting needs. ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 09:09:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15258 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28124 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28057 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQS264EM; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:09:41 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 86-VFR-750 For Sale Message-ID: <19981004.233630.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <451469b.3616ae1f@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8,13-17 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:09:41 EDT >I'd like to get $3,000 for it. The MCN (3/98) price is $2,885 and NADA is over $3,000 >(I hear) for an average example, I think it is much better than average mechanically. > >Ciao, > >Fred I looked in the current NADA book. Their "average retail" price is slightly lower than the figure you quoted from MCN. However, considering all the work that you've done to the bike, I don't think you're asking too much at $3000. How many miles are on it and what kind of riding do you usually do? That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 09:33:41 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16216 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:32:09 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:29:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:32:28 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, but if "up from th' ground comes-a bubblin' crude," Ah ain't goin' ta no stinkin' Bev'ly Hills. >>> "Mersch, Tom" - 10/2/98 7:33 AM >>> Come and listen to muh story bout a man named Jed, a poor NOVA geek, barely kep his reptiles fed.... > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cfagan@XXXXXX; mike@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still -Reply > > Aw hell Collin, you don't need no store. I'll just shoot ya a buncha > small rodents outta my back yard and ship 'em to ya. > > Joe > Savage .22 over .410 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 09:58:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17392 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28665 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29307 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zQB9Q-0003CZ-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:58:12 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:57:21 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCDB6@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:55:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Friday evening I went out to my bike on 17th & M where I always park it, lock the handlebars & put a disk lock on. Well, after work I went to start my bike & I couldn't get the ignition past off to on 'cause it wouldn't pop up. Tom came to my rescue an hour later after dealing with the puppy at the vet & informed me that someone had broken my steering lock - lucky me - and probably were trying to steal it. Now I get to pay for a new one - I'm so thrilled!! : ) AND pay for a NY lock hoping that will deter the thieves next time. Just thought I'd post this to the list...be careful out there! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:08:21 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17801 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3FUKa02301 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:07:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: speaking of pets... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Does anyone out there want a turtle? We have a red slider (I think that's the right name) that is healthy. It is too big for its tank now, and I feel mean for keeping it. We are not about to build a huge habitat, and since we are probably moving soon, this is a nice time to start getting items out of the house. If anyone is interested, please get back with me before Wednesday evening, otherwise we are going to give it to the local pet store, where we already know it is welcome. I think it is generally mild mannered, though it does hiss at one of the kids. He probably did something to deserve it. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:37:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18874 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29290 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01613 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA16025; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:36:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981005143631.REWK18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:36:31 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:35:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdf06d$68f79740$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCDB6@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 A NY lock and a high voltage source ought to do it. Any way you can keep one of the pit bulls close by too? :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) > > > Friday evening I went out to my bike on 17th & M where I always park it, > lock the handlebars & put a disk lock on. > Well, after work I went to start my bike & I couldn't get the ignition > past off to on 'cause it wouldn't pop up. > Tom came to my rescue an hour later after dealing with the puppy at the > vet & informed me that someone had broken my steering lock - lucky me - > and probably were trying to steal it. Now I get to pay for a new one - > I'm so thrilled!! : ) AND pay for a NY lock hoping that will deter the > thieves next time. > Just thought I'd post this to the list...be careful out there! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:40:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19178 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29349 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01711 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zQBoZ-0007HH-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:40:43 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:39:51 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCDBD@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Now THAT is a good idea! > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 10:36 AM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) > > Any way you can keep > one of the pit bulls close by too? :) > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:42:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19274 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29386 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01787 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10259; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCDB6@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll second that message of caution. Last Wednesday night someone tried to steal my bike for the second time in one and a half months. This is in Mt. Pleasant on 19th St at Park Rd. They broke the ignition lock (it kinda still works) and that switch was just put in over the past weekend (the previous was garbled with a screwdriver in August). I had a Kryptonite disk lock on the front and they tried to cut the metal supporting the rotor with bolt cutters. They didn't get through it, however. Now I'm also slapping a Krypto U-lock on the rear wheel to further discourage tampering. I'm thinking about going with an alarm system. I'll at least throw on another disk lock on front, too. I usually have a cover on my bike (two stolen this year) and I do believe that that does discourage tampering to some degree. To prevent the cover theft I borrowed an idea from another bike I saw on T St around Dupont Circle. Instead of locking the cover at the bottom (where it can easily be cut and still used) I put two holes in the cover on the front end so that a strong cable lock can be passed through the holes and wrap around the front forks. Now, if they're going to take the cover they'll need decent bolt cutters (I don't think the cover stealers are going around with those) or they'll need to rip the crap out of the cover. We'll see how well this system works. Dealing with this crap in the city can be discouraging. Hopefully the extra locks will turn away the fiends. Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Friday evening I went out to my bike on 17th & M where I always park it, > lock the handlebars & put a disk lock on. > Well, after work I went to start my bike & I couldn't get the ignition > past off to on 'cause it wouldn't pop up. > Tom came to my rescue an hour later after dealing with the puppy at the > vet & informed me that someone had broken my steering lock - lucky me - > and probably were trying to steal it. Now I get to pay for a new one - > I'm so thrilled!! : ) AND pay for a NY lock hoping that will deter the > thieves next time. > Just thought I'd post this to the list...be careful out there! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:44:46 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19312 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr7-dialup18.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F0C00890ZLMMB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:44:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:40:23 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Racing To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501bdf087$3caa8020$924437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Yes, and also I like the idea of a little company competing and winning >against Honda which has practically unlimited resources. II also like Aprilia >in the 250 for the same reason. I agree. I cheer for those guys, but I'm a Yamaha fan mostly. There are some riders I do follow, regardless of what they are riding. Honda is the "king of the hill" so to speak, because of there all out support and resources. Everyone shoots to beat Honda. >I think it's a little too much for Max in the 500, afterall it's his first >year and I think that the official factory Hondas have a little more ooopmh >than his. If Yamaha can get him to sign up with them next year it could be >interesting. >Ciao, >Fred I really hope he does it, though. 250 champion to 500 champion would be astonishing. No one expected Max to be this competitive his first year. Besides, Mick his been crying about the bikes being to "easy to ride". He just isn't use to racing guys like Rainey/Schwantz, who kicked his butt every race. Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:53:16 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19791 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:54:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:54:09 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MINEREG@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'll take one (maybe two, depending on price. Just back from Vegas. ;-) ) = XL, black or grey. Scooter >>> Sean Sullivan 10/02/98 04:23PM >>> RE: DC-Cycles Logo I did 1a and 1b. Harry put them up on the DC-Cycles web page with a = bunch of awesome designs by other list members. Don took the vote. Since 1b was picked, I felt I should be the = one to go find a print shop and make t-shirts. We already have a good number of people who have expressed interest. We = should have enough people to make it worth getting some in black and some in another color (gray? red? aqua? = yellow? Let me know and I'll see which is the most popular alternate). Most people are asking for XL and up in = size. Several people have asked for stickers. For those who haven't, please let me know what you'd like and if you'd = prefer an alternate color. Thanks. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will the designer of 1b please step forward and take a bow? I've used = your logo on the DC-Cycles Summit page http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ and now Sean is proposing T-Shirts. You might as well take credit, whomever you are. Todd <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:08:33 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20329 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:09:04 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Racing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I caught these races up close and personal over the weekend. Was at Vegas = with the Exup-Brotherhood and had Hot-Pit passes which put you right = there. You, concrete barrier, track. =3D8-0 Even got to meet Rich = Oliver and tour their trailers. Sorry, can't help myself. Just flew in = and came striaght to work. Working on about 1-1/2 hours of sleep right = now. Later, Scooter >>> "Jon S." 10/05/98 01:33AM >>> Dammitalltohell!!!!! I hate Carl Fogarty.......bastard won the WSB championship today. I was putting my money on Slighty, oh well. Haga = will dominate next year on the R7 8^) Good news back in the states, though. Ben Bostrom won the AMA = Superbike championship today, beating out Doug Chandler, who had some engine = trouble. Uncharacteristic of the Muzzy engine, but Ben rode great all year. His brother Eric will be the one to watch next year. 750 supersport, eh, it lost me with all those disqualification's to = Team Hypercycles Suzuki. Congrads to Steve Crevier, winning the 600 supersport championship. = The best bar to bar racing, IMO. I like to see the champion win races, = however, but consistency pays off I guess. Someone told me that Scott Russell will be coming back to the AMA series, but don't know if he's staying with Yamaha or not. Yamaha did fairly well, Rich Oliver 4th and Jamie Hacking 8th overall. Not bad for = the old YZF 750. Crappy weather kept me inside today, but caught some great racing. = More good news, the Cowboys spanked the Redskins! Woohoo....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:11:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20621 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29851 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02966 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 346 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:16 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:11:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: KBC Helmets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981005151116593.AAA238.346@vulture> I bought a KBC helmet as a spare. It is comfortable, full face, approved and cheap. Too cheap. Saturday the top vent cover popped off while riding and shattered beneath cage tires. Thought I would pass this info along in case anyone else uses their helmets.... KBC is supported by Tucker Rocky imports, and can be reached here: > Bill Carter > bcarter@XXXXXX > 4900 Alliance Gateway Freeway > Ft. Worth, Texas 76178 > 817-258-9214 I think they are going to replace the vent for free, and maybe even send me a new shield :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:12:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20697 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29902 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (known smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02978 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA60916 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:55:52 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA43194 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:06 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100023318753; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:15:55 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Message-ID: <5040100023318753000002L032*@MHS> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:15:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sorry to hear that Jeannette! Its a shame it happens so often and it seems there's nothing you can do about it. >> & informed me that someone had broken my steering lock - lucky me - >>and probably were trying to steal it. Now I get to pay for a new one - Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:25:19 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21154 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA17850 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981005152423.RWQJ18768@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:24:23 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: David Sward.... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdf074$192b90c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 ...Contact me asayc. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:45:49 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22087 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09759 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K0DR>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:46:52 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Fwd: for sale Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's one from M/C online for anyone thinking of going racing next year...decent deal if bike is in good shape... 1993 Honda CBR 600 F2 wendl@XXXXXX Sat Oct 3 16:19:41 PDT 1998 Race Ready. Supersport legal. Great first bike. Ohlins shock, Two Brothers Stainless Steel Exhaust, Fresh 207's, Rebuilt cylinder head, some extras. $2,500/obo Contact: John Wendl 301-916-1325 Bike is in Maryland. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:53:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22214 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00457 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04338 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 299; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3618EB58.C3FA5A87@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:52:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: KBC Helmets References: <19981005151116593.AAA238.346@vulture> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Troutman wrote: > > I bought a KBC helmet as a spare. It is comfortable, full face, approved > and cheap. Too cheap. Saturday the top vent cover popped off while riding > and shattered beneath cage tires. T Just curious, how was it at deadening wind noise? I'd probably go with a cheaper helmet, but the ones I've tried are really, really noisy. As opposed to my Shoei, which is only really noisy. :( Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 12:15:40 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23393 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA06588 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:15:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981005154308.SELW18768@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:43:08 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: The Tire Changer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:42:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdf076$b4ff9da0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 2nd of several solicitations: Ok folks here it is again. To date, I have received two checks toward purchasing our tire changer. I have received many more promises like, "the check's in the mail." The cut-off for this endeavor is still October, 24th and if we don't have the funds by then, you are all subject to your local dealers pricing whims. If you don't think you have the money now, you'll wonder why not when you're paying the goblins. :) I'm gonna go ahead and list the original 40 people who pledged $30 each, again. This is my strong armed guilt tactic to get those checks rolling in. If EVERYONE pays, we'll have enough to purchase a decent balancer as well, but that's another day. Send me a check for $30. INCLUDE A SELF ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE (SASE). I will not accept a check from you any other way. I will collect your checks up to and during the 2nd annual DC-Cycles Gathering (October, 24 1998). If you bring it to me at the gathering, place it in a SASE. I will not cash your check until we have at LEAST $870 in hand. That's 29 people of the original 40. If we do not collect at LEAST $870 by the end of October, I will mail you your check back (one reason for the SASE). If we do collect enough and follow through with the purchase, I will send you proof of cooperative ownership (the other reason for the SASE). Make the check out to me: Todd B. Peer I will send you a confirmation of receipt via e-mail when I get your check. Keep it. Find my mailing address and, ownership details below: 1 Tom Trask 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman *PAID* 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 Mark Sommerfield 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Ursulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro 28 David Sward *PAID* 29 Louis Caplan 30 Chris Meier 31 Frank Artes 32 John Kozyn 33 Richard Westbrook 34 Franz (sesent@XXXXXX) 35 Jay St. Peter 36 Aki Damme 37 David Wakefield 38 Bill Swanson 39 Ralph Wiens 40 John Carver Mail $30 to me with a SELF ADDRESSED, "STAMPED" ENVELOPE to: Todd B. Peer 8605 Langport Drive Springfield, VA 22152 Ownership: If you intend and do send me money for the purpose of purchasing a tire changing tool, one of two things will happen; 1) the tool will be purchased and you will receive proof of cooperative ownership, or 2) I will send you your check back. I will not be held accountable for money/checks/money orders lost in the mail. - By participating in this cooperative, you are entitled to the use of the tire changer we end up purchasing at the convenience of Glenn Dysart. The tire changer will be located at Glenn Dysarts home, and will be generously powered by his electricity and his compressor. Glenn will more than likely be the guy who actually changes your tire, or at his discretion, he will instruct you how to do it. Please set up an appointment with Glenn to have your tire changed. - You must first secure permission from Glenn Dysart to have tires or other supplies delivered to his home. Glenn's a nice guy, don't abuse him or his home. - You will not be allowed to leave old tire carcasses at Glenns house. You must arrange for used tire disposal your own way. - Glenn has the right to decide that he does not want you on his property. I can't imagine why he would take this decision against anyone, but if this occurs it will result in your loss of share and the rights of use to any tools owned by DC-Cycles, and you will receive notice and a check for not more than $15 for your share. Your share will then be for sale. So, play nice. - Glenn has agreed to keep the tire changer at his home and make it available to share holders at his convenience. By popular vote, the tire changer may be moved to a more accessible location. - Your $30 pledge is a share in the cooperative. A share in this cooperative gives you full rights to the use of tools purchased by the cooperative. A share does not indicate ownership by an individual of the tools purchased by the cooperative. All tools purchased by the cooperative are owned by the cooperative and remain so until, by popular vote, they/it are sold. All proceeds from the sale of tools owned by the cooperative will be disbursed equitably among its members minus all postal and banking fees with regard to the sale. note: IOW, you don't own anything but a fair share. If by a popular vote the DC-Cycles want to sell one or more of the tools it acquires, they will be sold. - Your $30 pledge is a share in the cooperative. Don't abuse it. If you want to change a tire for a friend that is not on DC-Cycles or part of this cooperative, you must remit an additional $15/occurrence. Non-payment will result in your loss of share and the rights of use to any tools owned by DC-Cycles, and you will receive notice and a check for not more than $15 for your share. Your share will then be for sale. - If your check bounces after the necessary funds are collected for the initial purchase of the tire changer, you will be assessed a service fee of $20 and you will need to send a $50 'money order' to retain your share. If your money order is not received w/in two weeks, you will be banned from using any DC-cycles tools until you have paid the assessed service fee. Any service fees are separate from other mentioned fees. - Non-owners are welcome to use the tire-changer, by appointment only, for a cost of $15/tire with NO BALANCING (until we get a balancer). This cost is subject to change. More than likely it will go down over time. - All money collected above and beyond the initial offering for the cooperative will be allocated to the reparation of tools owned, the purchase of other useful tools for the cooperative use by DC-Cycles, or by vote to some other purpose. - If the offer of shares in the cooperative for DC-Cycles is successful and, by popular vote, it is decided to sell more shares, shares (a number to be determined) will be sold for the sole purpose of raising money to purchase or repair useful tools for the cooperative. - If for some crazy reason you want to quit motorcycling, or leave the DC area, or for personal reasons you want to leave the cooperative, you have the right to sell your share for whatever price you want. That share will continue to be registered to you unless you notify either Glenn Dysart, or me. This cooperative will not issue any sort of refund for the voluntary purchase/sale of a share. It is yours, and if you want to sell it, go ahead. - No guarantees are made that tools purchased in the interest of the DC-cycles will be in good repair, or available at anytime. However, every effort to keep said tools in good repair will be made. You are purchasing a share only, not a tool. If a tool breaks and we don't have money to fix it, it stays broken. - Even though this is ultimately a cooperative, it is not a democracy. The rules of ownership are as they are stated. If you feel there is something I've left out, please let me know so I can include it. If you feel that some of these rules are overly restrictive, don't buy a share. You will not gain voters rights by purchasing more than one share, but if you feel so inclined please do. All you need to participate in the cooperative is a single share. If you'd like to speculate on the later date price of the shares, you're welcome to. TIA From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 12:29:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23940 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01001 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05710 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 353; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:03 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:28:30 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: KBC Helmets Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3618EB58.C3FA5A87@tidalwave.net> References: <19981005151116593.AAA238.346@vulture> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981005162902436.AAA238.353@vulture> >Just curious, how was it at deadening wind noise? >I'd probably go with a cheaper helmet, but the >ones I've tried are really, really noisy. Actually - it _is_ pretty quiet. That could be because it is a lot too small for me. I have a Shoei RF800 size XL that fits great, and the KBC is size L (i can wear it, so can the S.O. w/o too much jiggle). Be wary of the price. I paid $150 at Manassas Honda, and later saw an ad for the same helmet that said suggested retail $109.00 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 13:08:41 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25572 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3CNDa03785 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:07:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Tire Changer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 I am new to your list and don't know all the facts that came before this. I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is like trying to herd cats. Todd, you are a brave man to take on this type of task. It is very difficult to bring a small group to consensus let alone 40 of them. The idea of owning tools in order to provide a better price for list members is wonderful. The reality of it is another story. You will forever have headaches if you continue down this path. There really isn't any ties that bond the list members together. This group is open to anyone who merely sighs up. Unlike a traditional M/C where someone has to prospect. They must work to become a member there by building a strong bond between the club and it's members. The program you are attempting to setup is always going to have someone feeling ripped off or inconvenienced. Your paperwork is going to be an on going hassle due to people screaming foul. The member who is in at the beginning will complain about the new guy who just showed up and has all the same rights. I mean no disrespect here, I just wanted to share some of what I have learned over the years. I might suggest you spend your efforts trying to work out a deal with a bike shop for discounted prices to list members. Matter of fact, since your T-shirts aren't printed yet, you maybe able to offer sponsorship advertising on the shirt. List members are already going to pay for the shirts, therefore, giving the shop a no cash out of pocket advertisement before they ever even give up a discount. I really can't think of a shop owner not being very interested in such a deal. Just my thoughts. ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 13:16:59 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25790 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:04:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01bdf082$8c9dabc0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000f01bdf076$b4ff9da0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Two things... Where does Glenn live? Second, suppose Glenn decides to get out of cycling, moves, etc... Do we still get to crash his house? (Glenn, I'd send direct, but can't find your address) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 14:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28766 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4KGA3G5S>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Wow you guys are really making me happy that I have a locked building to keep my bikes in. People don't steal what they don't see. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 14:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28807 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 339 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <36191079.B77A0457@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:31:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: cool doggie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw something pretty neat the other day. I was passing a cage on a beautiful afternoon ride, and I noticed that the driver's side window was down. This little white french poodle was sitting in the driver's lap, and it was sized just right to stick his head out the window, and rest his chin on the door. So this little dog is flying down the road, his eyes half closed, his curly little hair moving gently in the breeze, just as content as can be. Normally I don't give much thought to little dogs, (except for the amusement they provide while punting them around :) - but I somehow felt a connection to that mutt right then. I was riding around too, enjoying being out in the wind. That's one of the reasons I ride. For once, probably the first time in history, a sissified little white french poodle was a pretty cool dog. :) Ride on, all my two legged and four legged friends! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 14:35:29 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29174 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4KGA3G05>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , Todd Peer , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:33:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I live in beautiful downtown Annandale. Virginia for you Waldorf people (is Waldorf on Earth? :-). If I get out of cycling (very unlikely unless I die) it will go to another members house. Glenn > Two things... > > Where does Glenn live? > > Second, suppose Glenn decides to get out of cycling, moves, etc... Do we > still get to crash his house? > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 16:45:15 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04779 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA19359; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981005204410.VZYD18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:44:10 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: More on the tire changer. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Seems like the only grief I'm getting so far are from the naysayors and those who doubt that this will happen. What-ever. Please take note: DC-Cycles is NOT a M/C Club. If it ever becomes one, I'm outta here. If you read the rules of cooperative ownership, you'll notice that only those 'people' who will have anything to say about the tire changer are those that buy a share of the cooperative. And then, they will only have the voice of one of many. There will be no 'new members' to cry foul, only 'old members' to sell their share. Honestly though, if you use the tire changer just twice, you are doing better than most every other person paying up to $30 to have a single tire changed. What are you gonna bitch about? But to be perfectly clear about it, in case someone has misunderstood, there are no garauntees concerning the tire changer whatsoever. If I get the money within the specified time period, we'll buy the tool and you'll be set to save some $$$. Maybe then you can afford those expensive gloves you've been wanting, or whatever. If I don't get the money, you'll get your check back (assuming you sent a SASE with it). And fwiw, I'm sure Glenn Dysart is uninterested in profiting from the fact that he is hosting the machine, and I sure ain't making money trying to pull it together. I'm also certain of Glenns character, and I don't think he plans to pull any "it's on my property, I own it" shit. He has come to the rescue of a number of people on this list, so I don't get the feeling he's ready to screw us. I realize you are new to this list. There seem to be a number of newbies on this list, probably due to the recent public exposure of all lists by MCN. But just so you know, there are quite a few people here who have been participating on this list for a couple of years. I know one guy who's been here for about 4 years. And a lot of us ride together frequently. Over this time period there have been some very frustrating comments made toward the MC dealerships in the area and their service pricing. The tire changing machine cooperative purchase idea is not mine. It was born of frustration about paying up to $30 in some cases to have 1 damned tire changed. The idea of a group purchase is not new, we are just taking it to a different level. Thank you for your comments. Todd > > I am new to your list and don't know all the facts that came before this. > I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is > like trying > to > herd cats. Todd, you are a brave man to take on this type of task. It is > very > difficult to bring a small group to consensus let alone 40 of > them. The idea > of owning tools in order to provide a better price for list members is > wonderful. > The reality of it is another story. You will forever have > headaches if you > continue > down this path. There really isn't any ties that bond the list members > together. This group is open to anyone who merely sighs up. Unlike a > traditional M/C where someone has to prospect. They must work to become a > member there by building a strong bond between the club and it's > members. The > program you are attempting to setup is always going to have > someone feeling > ripped off or inconvenienced. Your paperwork is going to be an on going > hassle due to people screaming foul. The member who is in at the > beginning > will complain about the new guy who just showed up and has all the same > rights. I mean no disrespect here, I just wanted to share some > of what I have > learned over the years. I might suggest you spend your efforts > trying to work > out a deal with a bike shop for discounted prices to list > members. Matter of > fact, since your T-shirts aren't printed yet, you maybe able to offer > sponsorship advertising on the shirt. List members are already > going to pay > for the shirts, therefore, giving the shop a no cash out of pocket > advertisement before they ever even give up a discount. I really > can't think > of a shop owner not being very interested in such a deal. Just my > thoughts. > ST > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 16:58:54 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05245 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WUMa007909; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77312aca.36193112@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:50:26 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Easy Todd, Frankly I don't give a rat's ass what you do. I hope it all works out great for all of you. It is a nice idea, I was just pointing out some of the things I've learned. Peace to ya, ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 18:41:55 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09447 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQT23HQC; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:26:58 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Message-ID: <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-7,9-10,14-15,23-26 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:26:58 EDT >> I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is like trying to herd cats. >>Todd, you are a brave man to take on this type of task. Who else imagined someone actually trying to herd cats when they read this? todd.b.peer@XXXXXX> writes: >Seems like the only grief I'm getting so far are from the naysayers and those who >doubt that this will happen. What-ever. In my opinion, what you are attempting is both laudable and feasible. The rules of the agreement are perfectly clear. The only problems I see are (for Todd) a little one of record-keeping, and (for Glenn) occasional inconvenience. Both easily overcome. I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so this wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that my store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for us to make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, I'm not in a policy-making position here. HOWEVER, I am learning from this list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears of higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully something will pay off. --Bikes R Us-- (So many bikes. So little time...) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 19:10:18 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10441 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RADFa02082; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <183a220e.36194e0d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:54:05 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Speaking of services that a Bike Shop could provide that only Bob's BMW does is a loaner bike. There are motorcyclists that would spend a little more to be able to drop off a bike for service and not have to have someone pick them up. My wife, for example, won't do it she really is not enamored with this particular hobby of mine. Alternatively, a shop could make a deal with a local Thrifty or Enterprise rent-a-car and when the customer asks, arrange that a car be made available for the few hours it requires for regular service. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 21:41:15 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16241 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id VAA26537; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:36:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026525; Mon, 5 Oct 98 21:36:10 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0D008OUTPW14@XXXXXX>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256695.000860D2 ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:31:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:33:05 -0400 Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Cc: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256695.00086544.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, perhaps if the changer falls through, we can work a deal with your shop ... of course you and your shop would have to be outted on the list. :-) Also, look at your argument conversely ... Let's say that you loose $30/tire change (charging $10 instead of $40), using those numbers across 40 tire changes lost this year = a net loss to the shop of $1200/year. Surely that $1200 is a concession your bosses can live with in order to gain 40 happy customers coming back there to buy other accessories/play toys? You would make up for the loss in customer loyalty (atleast on my part). I don't want to sound as if I am speaking for the list (I am not), but it is my sense that folks here do not object to dealers making a profit (we understand that is why they are in business), but rather that some of the costs are rediculously marked up. Most notably, tires, tire change fees, and factory service fees. Although some people have been soured by dealer incompetency and will do virtually all work themselves. I can understand large mark-ups to a certain extent in a small market, but in an area like metro DC, I would think you could recover the loss of profit through increased sales levels. However, there are a lot of suckers out there ... I personally patronize one dealership in the area that treats me well. They do happen to have the best prices I have found so far, but that is not the only reason I patronize them. It is however, what brought me inthe door ... I have posted both positive and negative dealer experiences to this list, and will continue to do so ... it is one of the greatest benefits I get form the list (other than commeraderie) I have even avoided shops based on other's experiences. --chris BTW, Todd I have been on this list 4 years as of this past August ... interesting to note the changes over the years. I can name several who have been here longer than myself. I also remember gettin in a DC-related flame war with Horkster when he was a list newbie ... Nice to see he has straightened up over the years. :-) To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: 10/05/98 10:26:58 PM GMT Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. --snip-- I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so this wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that my store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for us to make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, I'm not in a policy-making position here. HOWEVER, I am learning from this list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears of higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully something will pay off. --Bikes R Us-- (So many bikes. So little time...) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 23:56:04 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21568 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.25]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:43:57 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , Cc: , Subject: RE: More on the tire changer. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:46:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bdf0db$d5c4f200$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <183a220e.36194e0d@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not sure about Battley's, but Morton's also does this. Might be a BMW thing. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 6:54 PM > To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX; todd.b.peer@XXXXXX > Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. > > > Speaking of services that a Bike Shop could provide that only > Bob's BMW does > is a loaner bike. There are motorcyclists that would spend a > little more to > be able to drop off a bike for service and not have to have > someone pick them > up. My wife, for example, won't do it she really is not enamored > with this > particular hobby of mine. Alternatively, a shop could make a deal with a > local Thrifty or Enterprise rent-a-car and when the customer asks, arrange > that a car be made available for the few hours it requires for regular > service. > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 23:56:06 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21570 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.25]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:43:23 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: , Subject: RE: More on the tire changer. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bdf0db$9e703620$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You're losing every bit of 40 changes per year. I'd say that on this list, the average lister changes tires 1.5 times per year. At 30 people (the minimum, I think) involved, there's 45 changes. 60 if 40 people get in, if 50, you are up to 75. And if we let others use the machine for a time or two... Punitive prices on tire changes don't endear customers. You'll catch more bees with honey. Etc. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Bikes R Us [mailto:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 6:27 PM > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX > Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. > > > >> I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is like > trying to herd cats. >>Todd, you are a brave man to take on this type of > task. > > Who else imagined someone actually trying to herd cats when they read > this? > > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX> writes: > >Seems like the only grief I'm getting so far are from the naysayers and > those who >doubt that this will happen. What-ever. > > In my opinion, what you are attempting is both laudable and feasible. The > rules of the agreement are perfectly clear. The only problems I see are > (for Todd) a little one of record-keeping, and (for Glenn) occasional > inconvenience. Both easily overcome. > > I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so this > wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that my > store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for us to > make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, I'm > not in a policy-making position here. HOWEVER, I am learning from this > list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears of > higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully > something will pay off. > > --Bikes R Us-- > (So many bikes. So little time...) > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 00:45:32 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23687 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08681; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361B03CC.DCBB9348@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 02:01:48 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Bikes R Us , todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. References: <002401bdf0db$9e703620$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not exactly the average lister, but in the first year and a half that I lived here, I went through 8 sets of tires on my street bike before I sold it.... Now that I'm racing, I'm going through a set at the rate of a weekend and a half.... If I'd ahve found a shop willing to get in the ballpark with mail order, I would have bought them local and even paid the mounting, unfortunatley, we've done this thread so many times before...Local tire prices I found cost almost as much for a single rear as a set cost through the mail.... George Howell wrote: > I'd say that on this list, > the average lister changes tires 1.5 times per year. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 06:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA07838 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:34:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TEHGa03785; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6ccce60a.3619f11a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:29:46 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/6/98 12:51:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << Local tire prices I found cost almost as much for a single rear as a set cost through the mail.... >> I wonder why there is such a discrepancy in tire prices? Other items are not so much more expensive at some local dealers/accessory shops. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 08:03:38 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11538 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A7135E2020A; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:03:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006080712.00fe6370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:07:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. In-Reply-To: <183a220e.36194e0d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:54 PM 10/5/98 , Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >Speaking of services that a Bike Shop could provide that only Bob's BMW does >is a loaner bike. Morton's BMW will also provide a loaner bike while yours is serviced. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:06:51 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14204 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 161; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:05:50 -0400 Message-ID: <361A15DF.4EE462B@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:06:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so this > wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that my > store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for us to > make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, I'm > not in a policy-making position here. I agree with you. If I could buy a tire from a dealer at or near mail order prices, (or bring one in that I bought elsewhere) and pay another $10 to have it mounted and balanced on a rim I brought in (I suppose we'd have to include removing the old tire, huh?), I don't think anyone on this list could be having a discussion about a group tire changer. I certainly wouldn't bother with it in that case. Now, I know some riders don't like to (aren't willing to?) pull their own wheels and bring them to the store, so I can understand charging labor for this. Bike wheels are a little more involved to remove and replace than car wheels. But I digress. > HOWEVER, I am learning from this > list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears of > higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully > something will pay off. I certainly hope so, too. I'm frankly surprised that there aren't more dealers lurking around here doing just this very thing. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:15:41 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14332 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A7F77DB01DA; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:15:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006091959.01013da0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:20:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Fwd: Beating a Traffic Ticket? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody ever heard of this one? Any idea if it works? sounds too good to be true, but with a bureaucracy anything's possible, Chris Norloff >---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- >Date: 10/05 10:51 PM > >Subject: How to beat a speeding ticket!!!!! > > If you find that you have got a speeding ticket or you have gone > through a red light or what ever you do to lose demerit points > from your license, I have heard of a method to ensure that you DON'T > lose any points. > > It is this: > When you get your fine, send a check to pay it, and if the fine > is, say $79 then make the cheque out for $82 or some small amount > above the fine. The system will then have to send you a cheque back for > the difference so eventually you get a cheque for $3 . > > Now, here is the trick - > DON'T cash the check - > Throw it away. Demerit points are not removed from your license > until all of the financial transactions are complete. If you >don't cash the cheque then the transactions are not complete, >however, the system has got its money so it is happy and doesn't >bother you anymore. > > >----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:17:40 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14613 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id OAA28052; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:14:58 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027891; Tue, 6 Oct 98 14:14:16 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com ([10.44.240.44]) by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0E00EI4Q4EZK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:14:39 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 80256695.00484834 ; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:09:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:10:24 -0400 Subject: FS: 98 YZF600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: john.sirmon@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256695.00483D15.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Posted for a friend/co-worker ... please respond directly to him. I have seen the bike (located in Fairfax area), it is clean and well maintained. --------------------------------------------------- Here's the info. on the bike. 1998 Yamaha YZF 600-R 800 miles, Black/Red/White. Also included 2 matching helmets and loading ramp for pickup truck. $6900 Please contact me at: home (703)322-9736 email: john.sirmon@XXXXXX -------------------------------------------------- --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14700 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 302; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: <361A193F.1651A757@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:21:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. References: <85256695.00086544.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher Meier wrote: > BTW, Todd I have been on this list 4 years as of this past August ... > interesting to note the changes over the years I also > remember gettin in a DC-related flame war with Horkster when he > was a list newbie ... Nice to see he has straightened up over the > years. :-) > Me? Flame war? Nah... :) Lessee, I started riding street bikes again in the Summer of '96, so I probably first signed up to this list that Fall. So I've been around a little over 2 years. I only sort of vaguely remember this, was this about me complaining about the horrible riding conditions in the District? I think you subsequently led a DC cycles group ride throught the city that I missed - maybe you can do that again? I'm braver now. :) Hope I was polite to you back then, Chris, you actually turned out to be a pretty cool guy! :) Regards, Horkster (still a newbie, I just keep forgetting) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:32:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15105 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16848 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usi-exchange01.usinternetworking.com (known usi-exchange01.usi.net [208.241.240.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06675 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by usi-exchange01.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Groves, Mark" To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)" , "Suzuki Mail-List (E-mail)" , "'katana@XXXXXX'" Subject: FS: '94 Katana 600 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:26:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am selling my '94 Katana 600.=A0 It has about 6500 miles on it good = shape.=A0=20 I am looking to get $2900 for it.=A0 Anyone interested please e-mail = me. =A0 Mark Groves=A0=A0=20 Senior = Consultant=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=20 Web Engineering=20 US internetworking Inc.=20 (Phone) 410.897.4543=20 (Pager) 888.750.4757=20 (Cell) 703.906.1612=20 email:Mark.Groves@XXXXXX=20 http://www.USinternetworking.com =20 =A0 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:32:38 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15115 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABF28CB01F0; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:32:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:37:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. In-Reply-To: <361A15DF.4EE462B@tidalwave.net> References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Bikes R Us wrote: > I think it would be better for us to > make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. To MAKE $10 or to CHARGE $10? Big difference. >Dale Horstman wrote: >If I could buy a tire from a dealer at or near >mail order prices, (or bring one in that I bought elsewhere) and pay >another $10 to have it mounted and balanced on a rim I brought in (I >suppose we'd have to include removing the old tire, huh?), I don't >think anyone on this list could be having a discussion about a group >tire changer. I certainly wouldn't bother with it in that case. I've been changing and balancing my own tires for 12 years (about 120,000 miles). My fastest time, including removing the wheel from the bike, was 45 minutes. Usually it's about an hour total of which about 30 minutes is spent breaking the bead, removing the old tire, cleaning the rim, installing the new tire, setting the bead, and balancing the wheel. I wouldn't do that for $10. I wouldn't even just change and balance the tire for $10 (unless it was for a friend). And that $10 is supposed to include the tire changer ($800 to $3500, right?), the tire balancer, the shop, and insurance? I think the economics of the situation paint a different picture. But perhaps it would be in the dealer's interest to sell tires, tire changing, and tire balancing at a loss, to get more people in the door. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:50:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15958 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17059 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usi-exchange01.usinternetworking.com (known usi-exchange01.usi.net [208.241.240.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07260 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by usi-exchange01.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Groves, Mark" To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" , "'Suzuki Mail-List (E-mail)'" , "'katana@XXXXXX'" Subject: Recall: FS: '94 Katana 600 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:07 -0400 Expiry-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:47:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Groves, Mark would like to recall the message, "FS: '94 Katana 600". From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:50:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15963 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17062 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usi-exchange01.usinternetworking.com (known usi-exchange01.usi.net [208.241.240.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07263 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by usi-exchange01.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Groves, Mark" To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" , "'Suzuki Mail-List (E-mail)'" , "'katana@XXXXXX'" Subject: FS: '94 Katana 600 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am selling my '94 Katana 600.=A0 It has about 6500 miles on it good = shape.=A0=20 I am looking to get $3600 for it.=A0 Anyone interested please e-mail = me. =A0 Mark Groves=A0=A0=20 Senior = Consultant=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=20 Web Engineering=20 US internetworking Inc.=20 (Phone) 410.897.4543=20 (Pager) 888.750.4757=20 (Cell) 703.906.1612=20 email:Mark.Groves@XXXXXX=20 http://www.USinternetworking.com =20 =A0 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:00:27 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16442 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981006140034.7912.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 07:00:34 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Speeding Tickets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Re the speeding ticket email (overpay, get refund): From personal experience I can tell you it DON'T work that way. If you overpay, what's supposed to happen is the check comes back to you, and you end up paying a penalty for late payment. What sometimes happens is you just made a donation to the city, county or state and you still get the points. How to beat the points? For one, don't get caught. I'm always very careful to look for police cars before I run a red light or stopsigh. If that don't work, plead no contest and spend 8 hours in traffic school - no points in most states. You may ask how I know this. Well, when I was young and stupid I used to get LOTS of tickets. But I changed, I'm not young anymore. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:31:24 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17612 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 339; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:30:19 -0400 Message-ID: <361A29B0.364C8C72@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:31:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Usually it's about an hour total of which about 30 minutes is > spent breaking the bead, removing the old tire, cleaning the rim, > installing the new tire, setting the bead, With the tire changing machines, this goes much quicker, though. I don't think it took Art Crow more than 10 minutes to change my tire while I stood around and bs'ed with him, and that included cleaning up the axle grease mess my silly father-in-law used to lube the beads on the old tire when he installed it for me. Remember me now, Art? :) > and balancing the wheel. Another 5-10 minutes there. > I wouldn't do that for $10. I wouldn't even just change and balance the > tire for $10 (unless it was for a friend). And that $10 is supposed to > include the tire changer ($800 to $3500, right?), the tire balancer, the > shop, and insurance? I agree, as a shop doing a tire change for $10 with tire spoons is not fun, or even profitable. Too much cursing and sweating involved. (Although I talked Leon into changing a tire for me last week, and he didn't curse or sweat too much. ~45 minutes total). Life is made easier with a decent tire changer, I believe. Don't forget, most shops also replace the valve stem (on tubeless rims, at least) and charge ~$7, which I can get mail order for $2. (Nice markup.) And I think they use new wheel weights (don't know the cost, but they can't be expensive). I can live with re-using my valve stems and weights a few times each (for free), I think. > I think the economics of the situation paint a different picture. But > perhaps it would be in the dealer's interest to sell tires, tire changing, > and tire balancing at a loss, to get more people in the door. I don't really think this is such a huge issue for the majority of bikers, who's bikes only accumulate 10K miles in a lifetime. Tire concerns are limited to how much dry rot you are willing to risk, not how bald the tread is. My $30 investment in a group tire changer will pay off the first time I use it, which would be soon (my rear tire is starting to look like Telly Savalas after a Nair bath). In a year's time, I will have saved over $150 on tire changing costs on my bike alone. (assuming 5 tire changes at $30 each, 2 fronts and 3 rears on the Concours). The tire changer is a no brainer for me. I just need to convince about 27 other people that it's a no-brainer for them, too, so that we can go get this darned thing. :) I guess my biggest need is finding tires that I can get more than 10-15,000 miles on. With a tire changer at my disposal, I can experiment with different tire types and not feel so bad if I get a set that I REALLY don't like, and have to replace. BTW, Chris, are you considering buying into this deal? I'm not sure if you favor the idea or not. Just curious. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:35:43 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17874 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 335; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: <361A2ABB.230A1A9A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:35:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: DC Cycles List Subject: How'd the group ride go this weekend? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita, You held your group ride this past weekend, right? How did it go? I wanted to make the ride, but ended up fighting fires at work all weekend. :( Any chance you could sneak me a copy of the ride sheet, so I can check it out? You might also want to give it to Collin so he can post it on his Area Rides page. A neat page, btw, some cool former group rides are found there - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:39:00 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17902 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 297; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:38:03 -0400 Message-ID: <361A2B7F.7E8B1430@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:38:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding Tickets References: <19981006140034.7912.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray wrote: > How to beat the points? For one, don't get caught. I'm > always very careful to look for police cars before I run a red light > or stopsigh. Did you ever try just stopping? Red light runners simply annoy the hell out of me. I wish you'd very carefully look for pedestrians or cross traffic instead of police cars before you end up killing someone. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:49:43 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18346 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22908; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K0H7>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:50:38 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: How'd the group ride go this weekend? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:50:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for the compliments Dale... The page has been really nbeglected lately due to my laziness in typing up some of my favorite rides.... So if anyone has some good rides written down, feel free to zap them to me and I'll ad em. If you do send me one though, make sure it's a followable route... I've received a couple of ones that say "Head out on Route XX, then just take off on any side rooute and have fun" Those are nice for an exploration trip, but a lot harder for someone that may not be as familiar with the backwoods areas around here... (You can always ad some notes that give some exploratory recommendations off of a set route...) Other good notes to ad are lunch stop recommendations...Like Huckleberry's in Middleburg, that cool little diner (forget the name blue and white on the main strip) in Lurray that CAMS stopped at a few times, etc... > -----Original Message----- > > Any chance you could sneak me a copy of the ride sheet, so > I can check it out? You might also want to give it to Collin > so he can post it on his Area Rides page. A neat page, btw, > some cool former group rides are found there - > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:59:27 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18828 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A03AB206B6; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:59:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006105651.00f91890@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:02:45 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Tire Life [was: More on the tire changer. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361A29B0.364C8C72@tidalwave.net> References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I guess my biggest need is finding tires that I can get more >than 10-15,000 miles on. It's as easy as ordering tires from JC Whitney, and as hard as riding on tires with less traction (including in the rain) than you have now. Leon Begeman has told me of hard tires he bought from JC Whitney (Cheng Shin, I think). He got 30,000 miles out of one, but it was as hard as a rock, and had about as much traction as a rock, if I recall him correctly. I think 10-15,000 miles is pretty good for tires. You can get Metzeler Marathon (ME88) tires that have reasonable traction and reasonable tire life). Remember how ridiculously small our tire contact patch is with the ground. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:01:10 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18880 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23922; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K02A>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Oops RE: How'd the group ride go this weekend? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:02:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oh yeah, I forgot to add...Only a couple of folks showed up (so I was told by a fella I met out in Manassas). I missed the meeting time and stopped in BK to grab a bite of breakfast..Ran in to the other guy on a Connie and he told me only 4 or 5 folks showed, and Alan and Anita weren't among them :) I'm guessing the cold and drizzle chased most everyone off... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:02:36 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18890 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981006150251.14854.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:02:51 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: LOOKING FOR INFO ON EUROPE To: thumper@XXXXXX, near@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vidiots@XXXXXX, seriders@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm looking for info on Holland and Germany. I'm planning to go to the Assen GP next June and I've never been to Europe. I would appreciate info from everyone who has ever been there. Specific info needed is weather in late June, what I need to rent a car and drive, cheap places to stay, directions on how to get to Assen from the US air force bases in Germany, and any other useful info. Ray raymondlucas@XXXXXX 410 762 6710 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:18:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19788 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18412 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwwnni.us.newbridge.com (known wwwnni.us.newbridge.com [204.177.219.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10133 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 740CDT.us.newbridge.com (herndon-gw1 [204.177.219.66]) by wwwnni.us.newbridge.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA09619; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Donovan" To: , "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" Subject: FS 1992 GSX1100G Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:10:31 -0400 Message-ID: <005001bdf13b$75d06cc0$2443788a@740CDT.us.newbridge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: red, 5000 miles, new metzler rubber F&R, progressive springs... its a nice ride, but I dont ride it enough anymore... $3250 -jd From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:19:28 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19806 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 362; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:32 -0400 Message-ID: <361A34FC.4627E7A9@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:19:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006105651.00f91890@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Leon Begeman has told me of hard tires he bought from JC Whitney (Cheng > Shin, I think). He got 30,000 miles out of one, but it was as hard as a > rock, and had about as much traction as a rock, if I recall him correctly. You are right, Chris. I like the grip I get out of my current stock tires, but (unlike Collin! :), I wear mine out in the centers first. I like the idea of the dual compound tires, where the harder, longer wearing part is in the middle, and the softer, grippier stuff is on the edges. I just haven't heard much about them yet. I imagine that straight line braking and wet weather traction (where the bike is more or less upright, who leans when it's wet?) might still be compromised, though. Sigh. > I think 10-15,000 miles is pretty good for tires. You can get Metzeler > Marathon (ME88) tires that have reasonable traction and reasonable tire life). I actually tried the Metzeler Me88's on my LTD, but I was unimpressed with them. They felt ok initially, but the front started cupping very quickly, and the rear squared off alarmingly fast for me. And I thought I was hitting curvy roads in a decent proportion to the straight highway miles I was doing. Guess I wasn't leaning enough. I also have a Metzeler Me55 on the back of the Connie right now (only tire I could find locally that fit after I punched a hole in the stock rear), it's bald after only about 6k miles. Don't think I'll buy another Metzeler for a while. :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:33:37 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20322 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26317; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K02V>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:34:46 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC622@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:34:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > > You are right, Chris. I like the grip I get out of my > current stock tires, but (unlike Collin! :), > Yeah...I really hated throwing away tires that had 4mm of tread left in the centers (had 4.5 when I got em) but 0 left on the outside inch or so... > I like the idea of the dual compound tires, > where the harder, longer wearing part is in the middle, and > the softer, grippier stuff is on the edges. I just haven't > heard much about them yet. I imagine that straight line > braking and wet weather traction (where the bike is more > or less upright, who leans when it's wet?) might still be > compromised, though. > > Sorry for not snipping any of the above, but it's all within context... Try the Avon Azarros Dale. Their belts are tightly wound in the center and loosley wound along the sidewalls and outside edges. I think for someone that isn't doing the West Side Double Yellow kind of riding all the time, they would be an excellent tire. Firm in the middle, but sticky on the edges. AND...they were the best tire I've ever used in the rain. I'm not sure how long they would last on a heavier bike, but I got double the mileage out of them than I did on Dunlop D204's on my 525 pound 93 GSXR750 (yes it was that heavy...pig) And like I said, that was wearing down the outsidee edges on the front and fairly even wear on the rear.. I'd bet on something like a CBR F# and moderate riding, one could easily break the 10k mile mark..maybe even higher.. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:51:39 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21222 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA00954; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981006155059.ETZN31405@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:50:59 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdf140$f95a7d60$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <361A34FC.4627E7A9@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Dale Horstman wrote > > I also have a Metzeler Me55 on the back of the Connie > right now (only tire I could find locally that fit after > I punched a hole in the stock rear), it's bald after only > about 6k miles. Don't think I'll buy another Metzeler for > a while. :( I hear you. Try the Dunlop D205's. They fit your riding style and you'll get right around 11k out of the rear. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21250 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810061552.LAA21250@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4HH9LXJA>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:52:20 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:49:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well, I ride probably somewhere inbetween Collin and Dale.. I don't ware off the edges, yet my tires seem to wear pretty uniformily. Maybe it's just the fact that I ride sporty and demand good rubber on my tires (good determined by grip in this instance). But if I were to get 6k out of a tire, I'd be pretty happy (I replace tires when they hit the wear-bars.. not the threads). 5k was normal, and almost all brands would do that.. Right now I've got some Pirelli tires on that have lots of tread left with over 6k miles on them.. with 1 noticable, major drawback.. they ride terribly in the rain/wet. Personally, I'm happy with the compromise.. I don't ride hard in the rain, and I get a bit more tire life. I'll have to make comments when/if I manage to get my F2 wheel conversion going.. bias-ply vs radial on the same bike with the same rider.. ought to be interesting... Oh, Pirelli owns (is owned by?) Metzeler.. that's why I coppied the below info.. maybe it has something to do with weight and/or power.. Dale has more of both.. Brian.. Oh, yea.. I'm back.. :P *I also have a Metzeler Me55 on the back of the Connie *right now (only tire I could find locally that fit after *I punched a hole in the stock rear), it's bald after only *about 6k miles. Don't think I'll buy another Metzeler for *a while. :( From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:59:22 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21617 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id LAA27849; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id LAA27338; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How'd the group ride go this weekend? In-Reply-To: <361A2ABB.230A1A9A@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While I didn't participate in the DC-Cycles group ride I did attempt to hook up with members of the VFR list for a two day ride in southern Ohio. I left work at 4pm on Friday and headed west on 7 then 50 through West "By God" Virginia. Route 50 in West Virginia was a lot of fun especially Saddle Pass(?) mountain just before Mt. Storm which was extremely twisty and steep. As darkness fell I headed to I68 and reached Washington, PA around 9 pm and hooked up with a VFR lister who put me up for the night. Saturday morning the weather reports where less than encouraging but we decided to head out anyways and the group consisted of 3 98VFRs, 1 96VFR, 2 GSXR750s (one with a beautiful posished frame),and 1 TL1000R(?). We proceeded west to Cambridge, Ohio on some beautiful and twisty roads with only a few rain drops coming down (lots and lots of road kill however). When we reached Cambridge we picked up another 98VFR but unfortunately we had ridden directly into the approaching front and after lunch it was raining steadily. At this point the ride pretty much seemed to fell apart and there was even more rain forecast for Sunday so I decided to head back towards D.C. (Where the weather was fine) on the superslab 70/79/68. I stuck to the highways till I reached Cumberland, MD and had finally outrun the weather front. I then took 50 through MD and WV till I got to Winchester. 50 is a nice road on which to travel mach 1 but isn't very twisty at all it does however have some nice scenery to recommend it. After reaching Winchester I took 7 back home. Sunday I washed the bike. While my weekend didn't turn out quite as I planed it was still an entertaining 715 mile adventure. Hugh A. Caldwell 92 ZR750-C2 98 VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 12:58:47 1998 Return-Path: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24046 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3YVPa10655 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <98cfc2d4.361a4bd6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:56:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Random Thoughts Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 <> Herding cats is one description of working as a lobbyist for a living. The other (Trent Lott's favorite) is loading frogs into a wheelbarrow. Bike theft: I work right around the corner from the bike slots at 17th and M. There's constant foot traffic, a lot of street-front retail, etc. If the slimebucket bike thieves will try it here, they'd do it in front of a police station. So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I pay $175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow me access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want someone to hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do something about it. List: I too am a relative newbie, thanks to MCN's listing. I bought a V-Max last week, and posted for input from current owners, and several thoughtful folks took considerable time to put me through V-Max 101 by e-mail, saving me lots of effort to get up to speed -- so to speak. My thanks to them -- I just wish I'd known about the list earlier. HCM From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 12:59:43 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24066 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04762; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:54:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199810061654.MAA04762@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , DC Cycles List , Horkster@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:54:45 -0400 Subject: Re: How'd the group ride go this weekend [OOPS!]? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61E@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 6 Oct 98, at 11:02, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Oh yeah, I forgot to add...Only a couple of folks showed up (so I was told > by a fella I met out in Manassas). I missed the meeting time and stopped > in BK to grab a bite of breakfast..Ran in to the other guy on a Connie and > he told me only 4 or 5 folks showed, and Alan and Anita weren't among them > :) I'm guessing the cold and drizzle chased most everyone off... Big OOPS on my part! First of all, I really want to apologize to the folks that did show up! I woke up early and saw wet roads but no rain, and heard the crummy weather forecast. I paged Alan to call me if the ride was still on (he has one of those pagers that can get email messages). He woke up, felt crummy, assumed that I would just lead the ride and went back to bed. When he checked his pager later in the day, he realized that I didn't go. Oops! Next time if the weather is "iffy" at the start of a ride, I'll at least show up for breakfast! Then at least if anyone else shows up we can decide if we want to do the ride or not. I guess we've had so little rain these past few months that we didn't think we needed a contingency plan! :-) The good news is that if the weather is good on Saturday, I'm going to give it another shot. I worked too hard on this ride not to! The long term forecast does say the weekend is going to be dry, but that's what they said last week! I'll keep my fingers crossed! And, I'll show up for breakfast no matter what... but if it's a torrential downpour I'll be there in my truck! :-) Date: Saturday, 10/10/98 Time: 8:00 AM for breakfast, 9:00 AM ride start Place: Old Country Buffet, Manassas Pace: Moderate (this is a ride where you'll want to admire a little of the scenery along the way, as well as enjoy the roads) Feel free to email me if you have any questions. Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:02:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24432 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20596 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15581 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WMDDa02343 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b1725a4.361a4c6a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:59:22 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/6/98 11:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Oh, Pirelli owns (is owned by)? Metzeler.. that's why I copied the below info. maybe it has something to do with weight and/or power. Dale has more of both.. >> FYI, I think its Pirelli owns Metzeler. And another thing, the Metz MEZ1 and the Pirelli Dragon sport tire (cant remember the letters) are exactly the same tire! Just slightly different tread patterns. Same compound, same construction. The funny part is that the Pirellis cost less. Remember that next time you shop for these tires. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:09:44 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24586 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02489; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K0JF>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC624@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'HiCapMag@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Random Thoughts Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeee ouch!!! Talk about getting the fid!! I'm extremely lucky working in the DOT building downtown. I can only get a cage pass ($45/month) if I carpool; however, motorcycle parking is only $6/month AND I can still collect transit benefits! The bike parking is the best in the garage as well... Right near the entrance door and adjacent to the manned guard station. Collin ps: What kind of guns ya got? (assuming the HCM stands for High Capacity Magazine...) > -----Original Message----- > From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX [SMTP:HiCapMag@XXXXXX] > > So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I > pay > $175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow > me > access when I ride to work. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:15:12 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24944 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thg (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25590; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:09:41 -0400 Message-ID: <00b701bdf14d$2302be00$c07f61ce@thg> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Dale Horstman'" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: Re: Tire Life Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:17:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I have to chime in here.....Metzeler ME-Z4 rear on my ZX has over 3k miles on it and has plenty of tread left (about 1/2)....that absolutely blows away the ME-Z2s I'd been running on the rear. Stickiness of the 4 is at least equal to the ME-Z2. I'd say if you weren't running the 4 too hard (and on a lighter bike: ZX=600+ lbs.) you could get 10k out of it no problem (oops...just remembered you ride a Concours, Dale. Not exactly a lightweight). Dual compound tire has no visible wear on the center.....Only problem: price....but when you run the numbers it works out to be well worth it. As far as Azarros, I saw Craig eat one up in about 2k miles.....but Kirk got some excellent life out of one (how much was it?). Hmmm.... -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'Dale Horstman' ; Chris Norloff Cc: Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Tire Life > Try the Avon Azarros Dale. Their belts are tightly wound in the >center and loosley wound along the sidewalls and outside edges. I think for >someone that isn't doing the West Side Double Yellow kind of riding all the >time, they would be an excellent tire. Firm in the middle, but sticky on >the edges. AND...they were the best tire I've ever used in the rain. I'm >not sure how long they would last on a heavier bike, but I got double the >mileage out of them than I did on Dunlop D204's on my 525 pound 93 GSXR750 >(yes it was that heavy...pig) And like I said, that was wearing down the >outsidee edges on the front and fairly even wear on the rear.. I'd bet on >something like a CBR F# and moderate riding, one could easily break the 10k >mile mark..maybe even higher.. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:15:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24980 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20782 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15949 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thg (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25715; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:13:12 -0400 Message-ID: <00c701bdf14d$a03beea0$c07f61ce@thg> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:20:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Nope. From what I've seen Pirelli costs more. Dragon 1=ME-Z1; Dragon 2=ME-Z2. Metzeler dual compound tires cost more than the Dragons, however. -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli >In a message dated 10/6/98 11:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Oh, Pirelli owns (is owned by)? Metzeler.. that's why I copied the below > info. maybe it has something to do with weight and/or power. Dale has more > of both.. >> > >FYI, I think its Pirelli owns Metzeler. And another thing, the Metz MEZ1 and >the Pirelli Dragon sport tire (cant remember the letters) are exactly the same >tire! Just slightly different tread patterns. Same compound, same >construction. The funny part is that the Pirellis cost less. Remember that >next time you shop for these tires. > >Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:18:15 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25013 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 105; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:17:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981006131437.01d2b8a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:16:56 -0400 To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <98cfc2d4.361a4bd6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I pay >$175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow me >access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want someone to >hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have >problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do >something about it. Hmmm. Seems to me that you pay for a parking spot, not just a specific car to park there. If you signed a contract - read it carefully and see if it stipulates no motorcycles, or only one specific car. Bastards.... MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:22:37 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25118 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07420; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:22:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199810061722.NAA07420@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , DC Cycles List Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:22:40 -0400 Subject: RE: How'd the group ride go this weekend? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61D@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 6 Oct 98, at 10:50, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Thanks for the compliments Dale... The page has been really nbeglected > lately due to my laziness in typing up some of my favorite rides.... So if > anyone has some good rides written down, feel free to zap them to me and > I'll ad em. If you do send me one though, make sure it's a followable > route... I'll send along my route once I make sure all the rights/lefts are correct this weekend (don't worry, I know the route like the back of my hand!). And, maybe if we have a blizzard this winter I'll type up some of the poker run sheets I've collected! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:33:38 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25535 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:34:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:34:25 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Random Thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >>> 10/06/98 12:56PM >>> Bike theft: I work right around the corner from the bike slots at 17th = and M. There's constant foot traffic, a lot of street-front retail, etc. I work on 31st and M, sorta the same parking situation. But, since I live = and work in DC, I take the metro more than the bike. So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I = pay $175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow = me access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want = someone to hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do something about it. Tell me about. If I decided to drive to work, it would cost me $150/month = to park in my building, but I could swap out with the bike. Sorry, but = I'd rather pay $40/month to metro. It would cost me the same to ride the = bike, but I'd rather leave it home in my apartment buildings nice, safe = and secure underground parking garage, which now costs me $50/month. Why = pay for two parking garages? My suggestion, short of not riding to work, = find another garage. Also, ask them to see it in writing in your monthly = contract. If it doesn't say anything about parking a motorcycle, tell = them tough S$!T, they can't refuse you parking. List: I too am a relative newbie, Same here. Later, Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:46:25 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26379 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A76D780073C; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:46:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006134533.00fa0830@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:48:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: parking Garages [was: Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <98cfc2d4.361a4bd6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:56 PM 10/6/98 , HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: >So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I pay >$175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow me >access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want someone to >hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have >problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do >something about it. Colonial is the garage-running company around here (SW, near the FAA and Air & Space Museum). They don't mind motorcycles, but only at the car rate. I tried to get them interested in my not taking a car's parking space, and still paying something (classic win-win situation) but no one, not even managers, were interested. They have a known number of parking slots, and they want to see one vehicle in for one vehicle per slot. But the street parking is fine here (though a little crowded when the fair-weather bikers come out). Chris Norloff It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:49:30 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26416 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29614 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:49:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GIVI bags? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm.... I was over at Art's shop last week, and he showed me a pair of GIVI 36L bags that a lister had consigned... Alas, I don't know how to get in touch with this person any other way besides through the list. So, sorry for the, ah, noise, but could that individual email me privately? I have questions... Thanks. Pete. ph@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:55:41 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26614 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4KSM6ZFY>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More on the tire changer. Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > To MAKE $10 or to CHARGE $10? Big difference. I don't see any difference here. $10 is $10. Its all labor except for the lead weights. > I've been changing and balancing my own tires for 12 years (about 120,000 > miles). My fastest time, including removing the wheel from the bike, was > 45 minutes. Usually it's about an hour total of which about 30 minutes is > spent breaking the bead, removing the old tire, cleaning the rim, > installing the new tire, setting the bead, and balancing the wheel. > That's because you do it the hard way. If you had a tire changer it wouldn't take you any more then 5 minutes (with the wheel already off the bike). > I wouldn't do that for $10. I wouldn't even just change and balance the > tire for $10 (unless it was for a friend). And that $10 is supposed to > include the tire changer ($800 to $3500, right?), the tire balancer, the > shop, and insurance? > Why not? Just about all of the car tire shops around here mount and balance tires for $7, for $10 they will give you a lifetime balance. This is even for tires you don't buy there. And again I'm sticking to my belief that a car tire on an alloy rim is no harder to mount then a bike tire. I've seen them both done and don't see any difference. > > I think the economics of the situation paint a different picture. But > perhaps it would be in the dealer's interest to sell tires, tire changing, > and tire balancing at a loss, to get more people in the door. > I don't think they need to do it at a loss at all just don't gouge. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:57:35 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26907 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Random Thoughts Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > > So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom > I pay > $175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to > allow me > access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want > someone to > hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else > have > problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to > do > something about it. > > When I used to work downtown, the parking garages next to my office constantly "rearranged" the cars to maximize the number of spaces available for parking. If you parked early and left early, the attendants might have to move up to four cars to get to yours. If that's what happens at your lot, maybe they just don't trust the attendees to ride a bike. Nor, probably, should you. Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 14:05:00 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27005 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:04:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA29973; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:04:53 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029727; Tue, 6 Oct 98 14:04:39 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0F0067F3HCZA@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256695.0062E367 ; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:00:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:01:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Tire Life To: "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Dale Horstman'" , Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256695.0062E578.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Glad to hear you went with the MEZ4s, Tom. Didn't we have an e-mail exchange about that a while back? Anyhow, I have had the Z4s on my RF900 for about 5-6k now, and I estimate that I will easily cruze past 10k wear on the center strip of the tire. Unfortunately, I do too much tame riding and sport touring to "collin" off the edges. I got a good deal on the tires, (ping me off list for the specifics Dale) and highly recommend the Z4s for sport/commute/dry and rain. BTW Dale, Z4s are the stock tires on the new BMW K1200rs, which is a bit lighter than your Connie (I think) but is definately in close to the same class. I would even think Todd could get some good wear out of them on the ST. Imagine his cornering on an ST equipped w/Z4s! Later, chris To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , 'Dale Horstman' , Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Date: 10/06/98 05:17:00 PM GMT Subject: Re: Tire Life I have to chime in here.....Metzeler ME-Z4 rear on my ZX has over 3k miles on it and has plenty of tread left (about 1/2)....that absolutely blows away the ME-Z2s I'd been running on the rear. Stickiness of the 4 is at least equal to the ME-Z2. I'd say if you weren't running the 4 too hard (and on a lighter bike: ZX=600+ lbs.) you could get 10k out of it no problem (oops...just remembered you ride a Concours, Dale. Not exactly a lightweight). Dual compound tire has no visible wear on the center.....Only problem: price....but when you run the numbers it works out to be well worth it. As far as Azarros, I saw Craig eat one up in about 2k miles.....but Kirk got some excellent life out of one (how much was it?). Hmmm.... -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'Dale Horstman' ; Chris Norloff Cc: Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Tire Life > Try the Avon Azarros Dale. Their belts are tightly wound in the >center and loosley wound along the sidewalls and outside edges. I think for >someone that isn't doing the West Side Double Yellow kind of riding all the >time, they would be an excellent tire. Firm in the middle, but sticky on >the edges. AND...they were the best tire I've ever used in the rain. I'm >not sure how long they would last on a heavier bike, but I got double the >mileage out of them than I did on Dunlop D204's on my 525 pound 93 GSXR750 >(yes it was that heavy...pig) And like I said, that was wearing down the >outsidee edges on the front and fairly even wear on the rear.. I'd bet on >something like a CBR F# and moderate riding, one could easily break the 10k >mile mark..maybe even higher.. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 14:35:04 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28386 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:34:51 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 06 Oct 1998 14:34:45 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 06 Oct 1998 14:34:45 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 074E2361A62C501B-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 074E2361A62C501B Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <074E2361A62C501B*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 06 Oct 1998 14:34:45 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles Subject: For sale 96 F3 Message-Id: <074E2361A62C501B*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Hey folks, It sure does cause me great deal of pain, but due to certain circumstances beyond my control I need to put my bike up for sale. :-( So here is the scoop: 96 F3 red/black/white with a D&D Carbon fiber slip on and a Tailocker trunk kit. 10600 miles, relatively new (less than 1000 miles) D204 on the rear. Lots of oil changes, last couple w/ Mobil 1, etc Includes an extended warrantee, so the cam chain tensioner can be replaced for free when needed. Garage kept for the first two years of life and covered this spring/summer, cover goes with the bike. Will some one please write me a check for $5,800. Its going to be listed in the Post next week. After I sell it I'm going to use a little of the cash to buy something old to get back and forth to work like an EX500, GS500 or VF500. Don Burger (202) 366-9539 - Work I would rather have people call me at work, please leave a message if I'm not there. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 15:25:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00661 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22801 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21013 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09440 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcy231s ([166.41.241.5]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981006192424.DBIB18768@pcy231s> for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:24:24 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Todd Rist" To: Subject: RE: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdf15f$ccf2e720$05f129a6@pcy231s.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <6b1725a4.361a4c6a@aol.com> Importance: Normal Anybody out there ride the old Honda V65 Magna? My roomate is looking for a radial tire for his and has had no luck. A little help here? Thank you, Todd Rist Manager, LS-SM V235-4405 -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [mailto:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 12:59 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli In a message dated 10/6/98 11:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Oh, Pirelli owns (is owned by)? Metzeler.. that's why I copied the below info. maybe it has something to do with weight and/or power. Dale has more of both.. >> FYI, I think its Pirelli owns Metzeler. And another thing, the Metz MEZ1 and the Pirelli Dragon sport tire (cant remember the letters) are exactly the same tire! Just slightly different tread patterns. Same compound, same construction. The funny part is that the Pirellis cost less. Remember that next time you shop for these tires. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 15:56:12 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02027 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 ([206.38.82.28]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA13899; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: <361A7590.A3CB6999@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:54:56 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006105651.00f91890@XXXXXX> <361A34FC.4627E7A9@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like Metzelers. The ME 88s last as long as the Cheng Shin's and grip like Dunlop Qualifiers. All my bikes have 16" rims now, so there is a limited choice of tires. I also wear the centers out. Running max allowable pressure in the rear tire seems to make it last longer. I don't do that up front, because the handling gets funny at the wrong pressures. So what kind of tire can I get that will last longer than 30K miles, cost less than $100 and still grip in the rain? I don't care about grip when it's dry, anything will do ok then. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. Ninja 600 Dale Horstman wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > > JC Whitney (Cheng Shin, I think). He got 30,000 miles out of one, but it was as hard as a > > rock, and had about as much traction as a rock, if I recall him correctly. > > You are right, Chris. I like the grip I get out of my > current stock tires, but (unlike Collin! :), I wear mine out > in the centers first. > > I think 10-15,000 miles is pretty good for tires. You can get Metzeler > > Marathon (ME88) tires that have reasonable traction and reasonable tire life). From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 18:07:49 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07474 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr53-dialup1.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0F00N56ERKO1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:03:07 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Sun. rides? To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00b501bdf18e$3f9ac6c0$01f037a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Anyone planning on riding this Sun.??? The weather forecast looks perfect and I'm itching for some good corner carving. 8^) I'll be spending Sat. with my fiancee and her parents ALL DAY and will need to get away for a long, long, ride Sun.. So who's riding? Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 18:28:35 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08373 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id ECQRa22759; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b357b8f.361a996a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:27:54 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sun. rides? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/6/98 6:13:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << So who's riding? >> I will, where do you want to go? Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 18:37:40 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08803 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA12333; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:37:48 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:37:06 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44AE@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: parking Garages [was: Random Thoughts Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:37:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I park with Diplomat Parking in DC (work pays for it). However, they (DIPLOMAT) guarantee me a parking place as long as I have my ticket. Call Colonial or Parking Management's main office. As long as you can show that you are paying for the privilege of parking (monthly stub or whatever) they have to let you park there, unless they have a specific policy against motorcycles ( I used to park at PMI and they had to let me park my bike). Unfortunately, there is no reduction in rates for bikes, I guess a motor vehicle is a motor vehicle. I have found that it the attendants that don't want to be bothered by having to deal with the bikes - they actually may have to pay attention to how their patrons park their cars. The guy at my garage lets me park in a free space (not used by cars) behind his office. This way he is able to get more cars into the Garage (of monthly and daily drivers), and I get my bike in close proximity to a person so it doesn't get vandalized. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 1:49 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: parking Garages [was: Random Thoughts At 12:56 PM 10/6/98 , HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: >So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I pay >$175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow me >access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want someone to >hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have >problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do >something about it. Colonial is the garage-running company around here (SW, near the FAA and Air & Space Museum). They don't mind motorcycles, but only at the car rate. I tried to get them interested in my not taking a car's parking space, and still paying something (classic win-win situation) but no one, not even managers, were interested. They have a known number of parking slots, and they want to see one vehicle in for one vehicle per slot. But the street parking is fine here (though a little crowded when the fair-weather bikers come out). Chris Norloff It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 18:52:39 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09320 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr53-dialup1.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0F0F00ITOGUJH9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:51:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:48:01 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Sun. rides? To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00d101bdf194$88c04e00$01f037a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >In a message dated 10/6/98 6:13:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: > ><< So who's riding? >> >I will, where do you want to go? > >Ciao, > >fred Alrighty then,, let's see who else bites.......... I'll ride just about anywhere. Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 19:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10322 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.186]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 195; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: <361AA4BF.40F63CB8@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:16:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <199810061552.LAA21250@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Well, I ride probably somewhere inbetween Collin and Dale.. That's a pretty big gap, Brian! :) I bet you just described everyone on this list! :) If y'all haven't been able to tell yet, Collin is my hero. When I grow up, I wanna ride just like him! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 20:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14138 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.26.19]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 248; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:47:57 -0400 Message-ID: <361ABB28.4701464A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:51:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , Leon Begemen Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <85256695.0062E578.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I got lots of good advice about tires on the list lately, and was planning on mail-ordering a new rear tire soon to replace the ever thinning one on my bike. Imagine my surprise when I walked out at lunch and saw exposed cord 2/3 of the way around that puppy. Surprise! =8-o I figured I had a few weeks left at least. I limped the bike home (ever try riding on a 4-lane and keeping it *UNDER* 60 mph? Painful.) Made it home ok, then my hooligan side took over, and I did a few smoky burnouts out in front of the house (heh, heh, great fun!). Frayed cords everywhere. I needed a tire *NOW*, time to call around to the local stealerships and assess the damages. Long story short - I ended up with a Goldwing-like Dunlop K491 on the back - at a price near mail-order, and got it mounted and balanced for FREE! I forgot that Coleman Poser Sports offered free mounting and balancing to me for a year after buying the Connie there. I didn't think they'd believe that this is my third new tire in 6 months (first I bought from them, though. :) FWIW, they would have charged $25 and change for labor on mount and balance, another $5 and I'd have LIFETIME USE OF A GROUP TIRE CHANGER (had to do my bit to promote this idea some more!), and I got the tire for $142+tax. It's a little wider than stock, and I'm hoping to get some serious mileage out of this puppy. I'll let you all know how it feels in the corners. Anyway. Metz Z4's, Avon Azarro's, Chen Shin's, I'll probably end up running them all sooner or later. (Well, maybe not the Chen Shins - I'd hate to give up cornering :) Thanks for the advice from everyone. I've got some tires to scrub in... Ride Safe! Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 21:40:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16172 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27516 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01155 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuk121@XXXXXX Received: from Chuk121@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BIVUa02316; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:37:58 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d20a32e.361ac5f6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:37:58 EDT To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: '85 VF 500 interceptor for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 i have a vf 500f for sale, it's in mint condition... just needs brake pads, and tail light stalks for inspection... great first bike... asking $900 i also have extra plastics for it, i have extra rotors and some other small stuff. has a new battery and chain, put on this spring.. it's white, with the red and blue color scheme.. drop me a line 410 729 2971 ask for chuck or email me CHUK121@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 21:59:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17064 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27659 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01639 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08453; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361ACF77.338D3363@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:18:31 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: DC Cycles Subject: maxim pics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John (and anyone else interested.... I took some digital pics of the freebie maxim today...pics are all less than 30k in index fashion (sorry, too lazy to give them real file names) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/maxim/ The video camera/capture board setup usually takes better pics, but the cloud cover this afternoon didn't supply much sunshine for good picture taking... enjoy (I am) Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 23:50:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21371 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28809 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03552 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf151.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.151]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA15000; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01bdf1a5$7288aea0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: maxim pics Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:48:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 It's confirmed...I hate you more every day. You paid how much for that? I must go throw up now. -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) To: Carver, John Cc: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:07 PM Subject: maxim pics >John (and anyone else interested.... >I took some digital pics of the freebie maxim today...pics are all less >than 30k in index fashion (sorry, too lazy to give them real file names) > >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/maxim/ > >The video camera/capture board setup usually takes better pics, but the >cloud cover this afternoon didn't supply much sunshine for good picture >taking... > >enjoy (I am) >Collin > > >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 00:52:19 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23802 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:39:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002301bdf1ac$c62abb00$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361ABB28.4701464A@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Don't know how it'll work on the Connie, but I've been happy with the 491 on my Wing. From what they say on the Wing list, in standard Wing usage (slabbing down the Interstate) it holds up for a long time. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 07:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10525 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TC9SL>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd.Rist@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:32:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I think with the V65 you have to go up one size in the rear because nobody makes a radial in the stock size. Here are some Magna specific sites I found when I was on the SABMAG list a few years ago. Also be sure he has a radial in the front to go along with the one in the rear. You don't want to mix radials and bias plys. Glenn http://www2.xtdl.com/~tonyd/magna/mcpage.htm http://users.penn.com/~pwr/sm-links.html http://www.blueriver.net/~wayne/ http://www.oro.net/~waz/ http://www2.cdepot.net:80/~tcwild/sabmag.htm > Anybody out there ride the old Honda V65 Magna? My roomate is looking for > a radial tire for his and has had no luck. A little help here? > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 07:45:48 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10913 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981007114610.4230.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:46:09 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: LOOKING FOR INFO ON EUROPE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vidiots@XXXXXX, ducati@XXXXXX, near@XXXXXX, seriders@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, triumph@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOOKING FOR INFO ON HOLLAND AND GERMANY: I'm planning to go to the Dutch GP in Assen next June and would like everyone who has been to Germany or Holland to clue me in. I have never been to Europe, I'm lookiing for info on cheap places to stay, cheap car or bike rental, what US air force bases are close by (I'll be flying space-available), cool places to see, what and where to avoid, etc. I especially want to hear from anyone who has shipped a bike to Europe and sold it there. All help appreciated. Ray Lucas RaymondLucas@XXXXXX 410 762 6710 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 07:47:47 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10930 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4DE765047E; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:47:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007072933.00fa1c70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:30:27 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Tire Life In-Reply-To: <002301bdf1ac$c62abb00$6e0000c0@demon> References: <361ABB28.4701464A@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:41 AM 10/7/98 , George Howell wrote: >Don't know how it'll work on the Connie, but I've been happy with the 491 on >my Wing. From what they say on the Wing list, in standard Wing usage >(slabbing down the Interstate) it holds up for a long time. That's a pretty popular tire in BMW circles, too, for non-sport riding. I'm thinking of getting a set for my bike. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 08:00:28 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11410 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02932 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSN2Q>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:01:42 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC628@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:01:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For those of you unfortunate souls that , ickk, drive a GM vehicle (almost as bad as a Ford) Bring on the Mopars, baby... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tryon, TJ [SMTP:Tryon_TJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:56 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle content, but just wanted to pass this along. > It's for real, and I just called and placed an order. Might be handy to > have, if you have any GM's. > TJ > > >An amazing situation has developed -- for an indefinite time, > >anyone can get a free CD (4 cd set) with General Motors Service > >information on it covering service bulletins for > >vehicles from 1980 thru 1999 (as of July 1998) and service > >information for vehicles 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999, by just > >calling the following number and requesting it! > >The call is free and even the postage is free! > > > >Call: > > > >Helm Incorporated at 800-782-4356, > >select the "all other consumers" option, > >and ask for the "free GM service CD". From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 08:03:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11421 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04786 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10583 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256696.004201A0 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:00:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256696.00417CFB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:00:53 -0400 Subject: Re: maxim pics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I took some digital pics of the freebie maxim today. Looks pretty good for a freebie. I remember riding a friends Maxim a few years ago. The thing I remember most about it was how quiet and smooth it was. It almost felt like it was powered by an electric motor. Good to see you have something to hit the streets with again. Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 08:40:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12968 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05265 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11295 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "Kelly, Mike Capt DINFOS/PAD" Subject: Blinker question Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I have a co-worker who's having difficulty with blinkers on a 1986 Yamaha DT200 enduro. He says the blinkers will not blink. They will light up when he applies brakes, but still not blink. He thinks it may be a relay switch, but he's like me and gets nervous around electrical stuff. He's considering having a repair shop take a look at it? Any ideas on what may be causing the problem? Can anyone give us any recon on repair shops in the Fort Meade area? Thanks, Mitch From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 08:55:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13443 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05401 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11641 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A49E68902A8; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:54:54 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007085717.00fd06e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:59:44 -0400 To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Blinker question Cc: "Kelly, Mike Capt DINFOS/PAD" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:39 AM 10/7/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >I have a co-worker who's having difficulty with blinkers on a 1986 Yamaha >DT200 enduro. > >He says the blinkers will not blink. They will light up when he applies >brakes, but still not blink. He thinks it may be a relay switch, but he's >like me and gets nervous around electrical stuff. He's considering having a >repair shop take a look at it? Remove the turn signal lenses, remove the bulbs and clean the bulbs' electrical contacts and the sockets with fine sandpaper or emery cloth. Replace any burned-out bulbs. Clean the contacts on the turn signal flasher - it's probably behind a sidepanel under the seat - it's probably cylindrical, and about the size of a film can. Disconnect the blinkers from the brakes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 09:02:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13843 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05480 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11776 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:01:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "Kelly, Mike Capt DINFOS/PAD" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Blinker question Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:01:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks. We'll try that. > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 8:59 AM > To: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Cc: Kelly, Mike Capt DINFOS/PAD > Subject: Re: Blinker question > > At 08:39 AM 10/7/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >I have a co-worker who's having difficulty with blinkers on a 1986 Yamaha > >DT200 enduro. > > > >He says the blinkers will not blink. They will light up when he applies > >brakes, but still not blink. He thinks it may be a relay switch, but > he's > >like me and gets nervous around electrical stuff. He's considering > having a > >repair shop take a look at it? > > > Remove the turn signal lenses, remove the bulbs and clean the bulbs' > electrical contacts and the sockets with fine sandpaper or emery cloth. > Replace any burned-out bulbs. Clean the contacts on the turn signal > flasher - it's probably behind a sidepanel under the seat - it's probably > cylindrical, and about the size of a film can. > > Disconnect the blinkers from the brakes. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 09:14:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14301 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05608 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12091 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07915; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNJM>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:15:20 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC62B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: maxim pics Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:15:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks... I like it so far (although it's taking some time adjusting to a non-sportbike) It is fairly smooth (will be smoother when I give the carbs a thorough cleaning and balancing). The shaft drive is nice (haven't tried to wheelie it yet, he he he). Porbably since it's so old, but who knows, it is surprisingly loud for a stock exhaust when up in the revs, but putting around at 55-60 it's pretty quiet. It needs a 6th gear though...With only 5 gears, it limits the cruising speed to about 75mph. Above that and it's revving really high, and I have no desire to burn the motor up on this one > -----Original Message----- > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > years ago. The thing I remember most about it was how quiet and smooth it > was. It almost felt like it was powered by an electric motor. Good to > see > you have something to hit the streets with again. > > Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 09:56:25 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16001 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA07200 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA07192 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id JAA00913 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([206.201.107.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id JAA00909 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071320.JAA00909@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:09:00 -0400 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: Sun. rides? To: "Jon S." Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME With any luck, I get my bike back from The Evil Shop tonight, so I'd more than likely be up for a ride... Any thoughts on where the ride will start? (And are we riding "fast" or "Fred fast"? :-) ) --Brad -----Original Message----- From: Jon S. [mailto:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:48 PM To: Boiade; dc-cycles Subject: Re: Sun. rides? ><< So who's riding? >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 10:04:34 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16407 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11754 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNJ6>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC630@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Not A Ride for Sissies!! -- Worth Reading! Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:05:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Here's another ride for Sunday... > -----Original Message----- > From: Neweiss@XXXXXX [SMTP:Neweiss@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 9:59 AM > Subject: Not A Ride for Sissies!! -- Worth Reading! > > Come One, Come All! > > Manassas Harley Owners Group is putting on a terrific fall Harvest Ride on > Sunday, October 11, 1998. This is an "open" club ride, meaning that > participation is not limited to HOG members or to Harley Davidson riders. > > This three-state, 180+ mile route will initially take us over some > familiar > but fun local roads out to the White's Ferry to cross the Potomac on the > famed > General Jubal Early. The voyage continues from there over hill, over > dale, > through the winding and rolling back roads to Thurmont, MD. The > surrounding > countryside abounds with lush farmlands which, during the fall harvest > time, > could very well have been the inspiration for those familiar lyrics, "Oh > beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain." > > In Thurmont, there is an optional lunch stop at the Cozy Inn where the > buffet > tables offer more variety than one plate can handle (and that's just the > desserts, folks!). This is an dining experience you will talk about long > after....well worth the $9.99 price. > > After that, enjoy a most delightful stretch of twisties up and over the > Catoctin Mountains bordered by the cool forests of Catoctin Mountain Park > on > one side of the road and Cunningham Falls State Park on the other. Then, > rumble on down through the charming burgs of Wolfsville, Boonsboro, and > Burkettsville and wave to the locals. Clip the edge of Harpers Ferry > and > head for ride's end in Leesburg. You may well travel some roads you > never > knew existed. Count pumpkins or hay rolls, enjoy the early fall colors, > look > overhead for migrant geese, feel the fresh fall air on your face. > > Care to partake? Report to Whitt's Harley Davidson on Commerce Court in > Manassas between 9 and 10:15 a.m. on Sunday, October 11. There is no > registration fee to participate in this ride. If the weather is iffy on > the > morning of the ride, be sure to call the HOG Hotline (703) 335-6163 before > you > make the trek to Whitt's. > > Be there, or be square. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 10:41:22 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17809 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:38:40 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:41:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdf200$83236a60$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC628@MSCEX> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sooooo.......... Lost your virginity in an Aries K? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > For those of you unfortunate souls that , ickk, drive a GM vehicle (almost > as bad as a Ford) > Bring on the Mopars, baby... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 10:47:21 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18163 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15446; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNKH>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:48:31 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC633@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'George Howell'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:48:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nope... Just love Dodge trucks :) I'm really not into any car...although I DID learn to drive by watching the Dukes of Hazzard (that should explain my driving a bit) > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 10:41 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'dc' > Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info > > Sooooo.......... > > Lost your virginity in an Aries K? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > > For those of you unfortunate souls that , ickk, drive a GM vehicle > (almost > > as bad as a Ford) > > Bring on the Mopars, baby... > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:07:22 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18880 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 234 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: <361B83A0.27CD4DAB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:07:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: help with a seat cover Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Y'all, Tracy's got a rip in the seat cover of her Suzuki Savage. Where it's positioned it is quite literally and figuratively a pain in the ass. I need to get a new cover. I checked Travelcade/Saddlemen, they don't seem to make a replacement cover for this bike. You can typically get covers from them (if they make them) for around $30. Has anyone had good luck with local upholstery shops? I checked one out, he quoted me $70 to replace the cover, it seemed a little steep to me for a tiny solo cruiser seat. Is this a decent price? One nice thing about having motorcycles, I never have to wonder about where all my disposable income is gonna go. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:20:05 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19652 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18000; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNKK>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:16 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC635@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Dale, Have you considered doing it yourself? Get some heavy duty vinyl (or marine grade if you can find it. replace the foam underneath, stretch the new vinyl over and use industrial staples to hold it in place... This works great on sport bike seats where you don't have multi-leveled seats to deal with and a hard plastic shell... Not sure how well it would work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal shell... You'd probably have to find another method to affix the vinyl to the shell... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:29:28 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19814 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQYFV82T; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:28:15 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Message-ID: <19981006.015514.8135.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <002401bdf0db$9e703620$6e0000c0@demon> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6,8-82 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:28:15 EDT I agree, but I'm an indian, not a chief. I'm hoping to change the minds of those guys with the big feahers about these things. Don't give up on us dealer types. --Bikes R Us-- (So many bikes. So little time...(sigh)) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:44:28 -0400 "George Howell" writes: >You're losing every bit of 40 changes per year. I'd say that on this >list, >the average lister changes tires 1.5 times per year. At 30 people (the >minimum, I think) involved, there's 45 changes. 60 if 40 people get >in, if >50, you are up to 75. And if we let others use the machine for a time >or >two... > >Punitive prices on tire changes don't endear customers. You'll catch >more >bees with honey. Etc. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bikes R Us [mailto:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 6:27 PM >> To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX >> Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. >> >> >> >> I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is >like >> trying to herd cats. >>Todd, you are a brave man to take on this >type of >> task. >> >> Who else imagined someone actually trying to herd cats when they >read >> this? >> >> todd.b.peer@XXXXXX> writes: >> >Seems like the only grief I'm getting so far are from the naysayers >and >> those who >doubt that this will happen. What-ever. >> >> In my opinion, what you are attempting is both laudable and >feasible. The >> rules of the agreement are perfectly clear. The only problems I see >are >> (for Todd) a little one of record-keeping, and (for Glenn) >occasional >> inconvenience. Both easily overcome. >> >> I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so >this >> wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that >my >> store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for >us to >> make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, >I'm >> not in a policy-making position here. HOWEVER, I am learning from >this >> list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears >of >> higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully >> something will pay off. >> >> --Bikes R Us-- >> (So many bikes. So little time...) >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:31:02 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20141 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22603; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:10 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B2@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI, Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundel Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. http://www.abate-of-maryland.org/webdoc2.htm First off everyone should know that I believe in wearing a Helmet, I happen to wear a full face one. However, I don't like the current legislation concerning helmets, and this is why I go. While, I don't mind a law concerning the mandatory use of one, like the seat belt law. I am a firm believer that the law should clearly be defined. Currently, Maryland doesn't have any standards concerning what types of Helmets have to be worn and sold such as Snell 95 or DOT certified. My wife is a nurse, and I have gotten too many stories from her and her coworkers about victims who could have been saved if they had been wearing a proper helmet (notice I said victims). I am not singling out the riders of the skull caps (you can get ones with S95 and DOT certifications), too many riders can purchase helmets full face or otherwise (usually mail order because they are cheaper) that aren't going to hold up in a crash. Some who buy these helmets are aware of what they are buying (junk for show), but too many don't know the Helmet that they are wearing isn't going to withstand an impact. I don't mean to sound preachy (I know, too late!!!) but I didn't know jack when I bought my first helmet. It is worth going to the rally just to get some motorcycling information, there are a lot of vendors that will provide information for motorcycling in general - they aren't all there to sell Harley parts. Yes, you will have to put up with the "Let those who ride decide" guys who don't want to wear helmets at all. But this way you will get all the information to make an informed decision for yourself. Jason I. Picton Senior Systems Engineer American Chemical Society Phone: 202-452-2117 Email: jip98@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:32:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20151 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07361 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16259 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:32:14 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WQVKa13872 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8d31c180.361b8938@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:04 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Not A Ride for Sissies!! -- Worth Reading! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Another ride in my neck of the woods!! Too COOL!! I'll be there for sure. I know where they're riding (pretty good twisties at times). Anyone else interested? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:35:53 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20241 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 159; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:34:56 -0400 Message-ID: <361B8A50.84ECCE5E@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:35:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: help with a seat cover References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC635@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Not sure how well it would > work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal shell... You'd > probably have to find another method to affix the vinyl to the > shell... I've considered the DIY route, but I'm too lazy. :) FWIW, the Savage saddle is curved, has a plastic shell, and is stapled in place, so I could probably do it. Alas, my talents with sewing machines are extremely limited. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:36:08 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20251 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQYFV8UK; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:28:14 EDT To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Message-ID: <19981006.015513.8135.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <85256695.0008654B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,9-11,14-19 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:28:14 EDT On Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:33:05 -0400 christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: >Also, look at your argument conversely ... Let's say that you loose $30/tire change >(charging $10 instead of $40), using those numbers across 40 tire changes lost >this year = a net loss to the shop of $1200/year. Surely that $1200 is a concession >your bosses can live with in order to gain 40 happy customers coming back there to >buy other accessories/play toys? You would make up for the loss in customer >loyalty (atleast on my part). That's my thinking, too, in a nutshell. Like I said, I hope to convert the thinking of some of those above me about things like this. Cross your fingers...and don't call me Shirley... :^) --Bikes R Us-- (So many bikes. So llittle time...) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:41:32 1998 Return-Path: BLaSalle@XXXXXX Received: from [208.230.248.3] ([208.230.248.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20561 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MM_NT1 by [208.230.248.3] via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 15:40:59 UT Received: by MM_NT1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:39:09 -0400 Message-ID: <0CB9C2672F58D211B21900805FAD34630173B5@MM_NT1> From: Brian LaSalle To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Sunday ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:39:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >>> Anyone planning on riding this Sun.??? Jon & Fred & anybody else - Count me in ! Where are we headed? Brian Yellow Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:48:50 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20730 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:48:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6ILFa02301; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <464a52ea.361b8d36@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:48:06 EDT To: BLaSalle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/7/98 11:46:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BLaSalle@XXXXXX writes: << Jon & Fred & anybody else - Count me in ! Where are we headed? >> I proposed a route last time, so I am leaving it up to someone else. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:59:05 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21207 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23696; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:59:10 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:58:28 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B3@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:58:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain The DIY is the best way to go. Every alternative I tried to find for my Savage seat has given me a price of $100 or more Jason -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:36 AM To: Fagan, Collin LTJG Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: help with a seat cover Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Not sure how well it would > work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal shell... You'd > probably have to find another method to affix the vinyl to the > shell... I've considered the DIY route, but I'm too lazy. :) FWIW, the Savage saddle is curved, has a plastic shell, and is stapled in place, so I could probably do it. Alas, my talents with sewing machines are extremely limited. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:17:39 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22116 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A3FB7C60252; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:16:59 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007121255.00fbbb50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:18:16 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: help with a seat cover In-Reply-To: <361B83A0.27CD4DAB@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:07 AM 10/7/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Tracy's got a rip in the seat cover of her Suzuki Savage. >Where it's positioned it is quite literally and figuratively a >pain in the ass. I need to get a new cover. You can probably fix it yourself if you want to. 1. You can glue a naugahyde patch on the top of the seat cover, then using a curved needle sew the edges down. (Remember naugahyde is just nice-looking vinyl with a cloth backing). 2. You can remove the seat cover yourself - the last one I did was merely held on with staples. Glue a patch on the underside of the cover, then use a sewing machine to sew down the patch's edges. Carefully follow existing sewing lines or molded lines in the cover and it'll be hard to see. 3. Buy a replacement seat cover from someone like Sargent Cycle (http://www.sargentcycle.com/) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:20:30 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22196 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZGUa18750 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9093933a.361b9469@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:18:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_907777129_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907777129_boundary Content-ID: <0_907777129@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of big brother government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a matter of time before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is no bike at all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your ass on a bus! Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) Steel Trap In a message dated 10/7/98 11:41:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jip98@XXXXXX writes: << FYI, Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundle Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. >> --part0_907777129_boundary Content-ID: <0_907777129@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay27.mx.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air15.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:41:28 -0400 Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by relay27.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA01310; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20141 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22603; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:10 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B2@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FYI, =09Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundel Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. =09I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. http://www.abate-of-maryland.org/webdoc2.htm First off everyone should know that I believe in wearing a Helmet, I happen to wear a full face one. However, I don't like the current legislation concerning helmets, and this is why I go. While, I don't mind a law concerning the mandatory use of one, like the seat belt law. I am a firm believer that the law should clearly be defined. Currently, Maryland doesn't have any standards concerning what types of Helmets have to be worn and sold such as Snell 95 or DOT certified. My wife is a nurse, and I have gotten too many stories from her and her coworkers about victims who could have been saved if they had been wearing a proper helmet (notice I said victims). I am not singling out the riders of the skull caps (you can get ones with S95 and DOT certifications), too many riders can purchase helmets full face or otherwise (usually mail order because they are cheaper) that aren't going to hold up in a crash. Some who buy these helmets are aware of what they are buying (junk for show), but too many don't know the Helmet that they are wearing isn't going to withstand an impact. I don't mean to sound preachy (I know, too late!!!) but I didn't know jack when I bought my first helmet. It is worth going to the rally just to get some motorcycling information, there are a lot of vendors that will provide information for motorcycling in general - they aren't all there to sell Harley parts. Yes, you will have to put up with the "Let those who ride decide" guys who don't want to wear helmets at all. But this way you will get all the information to make an informed decision for yourself. Jason I. Picton Senior Systems Engineer American Chemical Society Phone: 202-452-2117 Email: jip98@XXXXXX --part0_907777129_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:28:45 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22622 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:28:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id MAA25798 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256696.0081B4C3 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:27:25 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256696.005A2BB3.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:25:40 -0400 Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline What about using Colin's method, but instead of staples, use hog rings...you can always find cheap-o hog ring pliers (that come with the hog rings) in JC Whipme for like $8 (or I have a bunch left over from a reupholstery job you can have, along with the pliers I'd be happy to lend). That way, as long as there's a hole in the shell that you can wrap the hog ring around, you can go this route. Let me know if you need the stuff. -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Dale, Have you considered doing it yourself? Get some heavy duty vinyl (or marine grade if you can find it. replace the foam underneath, stretch the new vinyl over and use industrial staples to hold it in place... This works great on sport bike seats where you don't have multi-leveled seats to deal with and a hard plastic shell... Not sure how well it would work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal shell... You'd probably have to find another method to affix the vinyl to the shell... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:35:07 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23070 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8369530218; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:35:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007123623.00fb8280@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:39:36 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: help with a seat cover In-Reply-To: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B3@WASH50> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just got off the phone with Sargent's, about recovering and reshaping my BMW seat. They want $87 to strip off the old cover, do minor foam repair, install a moisture barrier and install a new cover ... and that's with a surcharge for the BMW because it's harder to work with than the Japanese seats. BTW, for the complete deal, including reshaping the foam and using color-coordinated vinyl it comes to $183 including shipping, with a 5-day in-shop turnaround. And she said their winter rush starts in January and it takes up to 2 weeks in the shop. Chris Norloff At 11:58 AM 10/7/98 , Jason Picton wrote: >The DIY is the best way to go. Every alternative I tried to find for my >Savage seat has given me a price of $100 or more > >Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:36 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG > Cc: DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: help with a seat cover > > Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > Not sure how well it would > > work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal >shell... You'd > > probably have to find another method to affix the >vinyl to the > > shell... > > I've considered the DIY route, but I'm too lazy. :) >FWIW, the > Savage saddle is curved, has a plastic shell, and is >stapled > in place, so I could probably do it. Alas, my talents >with > sewing machines are extremely limited. > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing >is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people >around here > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - >Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23514 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id MAA28958 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256696.0081FFE5 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:46:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256696.005C0364.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:45:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I can see the choice argument...everyone wants to make their own choice. Wouldn't it have been nice if the government made it optional for building management companies to remove the asbestos from their structures, or for cars from foreign manufacturers to comply with US safety regulations...what about this catalytic converter requirement for new cars? Thats definitely part of the CONSPIRACY! Three Mile Island...hell, make it optional for them to release radiation into the air and water...and while you're at it, lets step up the pace of illegal immigration! F&%K the government, because all the rules it makes STINK...maybe its time to join a militia because THE MAN is getting too freakin' powerful! Yeah, lets overturn the government because the laws it makes to protect us from our own stupidity just hold down our freedom of choice...but people aren't even satisfied then, because they legalized the right to choose abortion and people still argue about it! God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if you don't wear one. You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. One thing is for sure...with the way the RUBs go out and buy new Harleys with no prior m/c training, repealing the helmet law will only result in a fresh supply of used Harley parts from salvaged bikes in junkyards, with their RUB owners pushin' up daisies in the local graveyard. BTW, if you want to respond to me about my views, don't do it to the list...reply to me at the email address listed below. -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of big brother government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a matter of time before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is no bike at all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your ass on a bus! Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) Steel Trap In a message dated 10/7/98 11:41:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jip98@XXXXXX writes: << FYI, Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundle Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. >> Return-Path: Received: from relay27.mx.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air15.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:41:28 -0400 Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by relay27.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA01310; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20141 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22603; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:10 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B2@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FYI, Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundel Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. http://www.abate-of-maryland.org/webdoc2.htm First off everyone should know that I believe in wearing a Helmet, I happen to wear a full face one. However, I don't like the current legislation concerning helmets, and this is why I go. While, I don't mind a law concerning the mandatory use of one, like the seat belt law. I am a firm believer that the law should clearly be defined. Currently, Maryland doesn't have any standards concerning what types of Helmets have to be worn and sold such as Snell 95 or DOT certified. My wife is a nurse, and I have gotten too many stories from her and her coworkers about victims who could have been saved if they had been wearing a proper helmet (notice I said victims). I am not singling out the riders of the skull caps (you can get ones with S95 and DOT certifications), too many riders can purchase helmets full face or otherwise (usually mail order because they are cheaper) that aren't going to hold up in a crash. Some who buy these helmets are aware of what they are buying (junk for show), but too many don't know the Helmet that they are wearing isn't going to withstand an impact. I don't mean to sound preachy (I know, too late!!!) but I didn't know jack when I bought my first helmet. It is worth going to the rally just to get some motorcycling information, there are a lot of vendors that will provide information for motorcycling in general - they aren't all there to sell Harley parts. Yes, you will have to put up with the "Let those who ride decide" guys who don't want to wear helmets at all. But this way you will get all the information to make an informed decision for yourself. Jason I. Picton Senior Systems Engineer American Chemical Society Phone: 202-452-2117 Email: jip98@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:55:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23689 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08470 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20480 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256696.005CBC47 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:52:55 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256696.005C7B8C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:52:49 -0400 Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline My question is how does it go from $87 to $183. Is the $87 charge the labor? And the rest of it is parts (foam and new cover) and shipping? They want $87 to strip off the old cover, do minor foam repair, install a moisture barrier and install a new cover ... and that's with a surcharge for the BMW because it's harder to work with than the Japanese seats. BTW, for the complete deal, including reshaping the foam and using color-coordinated vinyl it comes to $183 including shipping, From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:04:38 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24096 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25805; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNK9>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:05:50 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC639@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:05:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Must.....resist.......don't ....... reply...... NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo.... Here we go again :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > > You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise > up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. > > Amen to that... They're going to end up like the NRA if they keep this silliness up... The only reason I'll join is when I'm up to a competitive enough level that I can enter one of their races...Hopefully that'll happen within the next two seasons.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:11:42 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24487 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3YIIa02082 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <151e614d.361ba033@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:09:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/7/98 12:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. >> Um, aren't you exercising "Freedom of choice" That's all we are asking for. "Let those Who Ride Decide" Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24889 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TDH7J>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:17:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Fagan, Collin LTJG'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:17:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I think you could have some fun with my car. Not all cars are boring. Just the most of em. Glenn > Nope... Just love Dodge trucks :) > I'm really not into any car...although I DID learn to drive by watching > the > Dukes of Hazzard (that should explain my driving a bit) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:26:50 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25006 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 335; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:25:40 -0400 Message-ID: <361BA444.1C3686B4@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:26:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <002301bdf1ac$c62abb00$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Don't know how it'll work on the Connie, but I've been happy with the 491 on > my Wing. From what they say on the Wing list, in standard Wing usage > (slabbing down the Interstate) it holds up for a long time. I just hope it doesn't transform me into a Wing-rider. Oh wait, I've already got a CB, and the little Touring USA 48 state chart. And I'm gonna be mounting highway pegs soon. AUUGGGH, IT'S STARTING ALREADY! :) If I ever get a trailer to tow behind it, somebody shoot me. Please! At least I don't have an on-board air compressor. Whew. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:48:34 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25962 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A96C108E8; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:48:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007133517.00fa6b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:41:45 -0400 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride In-Reply-To: <85256696.005C0364.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:45 PM 10/7/98 , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you >don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if >you don't wear one. That's the same thing many people say about riding a motorcycle versus driving a car. > You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise >up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. What is it about the AMA lobbying for cycles in HOV lanes, trail funds for off-road riders, motorcyclists' access to roads, motorcyclists' health insurance, and motorcyclists' losses in "no-fault" insurance states that you don't like? If you think AMA is only about helmet laws, then you know nothing about the AMA. If you think the AMA stand on helmet laws should keep you from supporting anything the AMA ever supports, then you might want to reconsider whether overall you're helping or hurting motorcycling. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:48:36 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25969 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A96E108E8; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:48:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007134540.00fd97f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:46:17 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HERESY! HERESY! Ban him from the list! :-) Chris Norloff At 01:17 PM 10/7/98 , Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >I think you could have some fun with my car. Not all cars are boring. Just >the most of em. > >Glenn > > >> Nope... Just love Dodge trucks :) >> I'm really not into any car...although I DID learn to drive by watching >> the >> Dukes of Hazzard (that should explain my driving a bit) >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:48:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25975 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09294 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22485 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A96D108E8; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:48:29 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007134223.00fbc100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:45:03 -0400 To: sbeck@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256696.005C7B8C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" $65 for "moving the rise" in the foam (letting me sit farther back, on the lower portion that the rider uses) and reshaping the new cover to fit. $20 for custom color $9.95 shipping & handling Chris Norloff ($87.44 to do everything to the seat, with BMW surcharge. add $30 if the seat pan is metal, and add a fee if it's a non-stock seat pan like a Corbin) At 12:52 PM 10/7/98 , sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: >My question is how does it go from $87 to $183. Is the $87 charge the >labor? And the rest of it is parts (foam and new cover) and shipping? > > > >They want $87 to strip off the old cover, do minor foam repair, >install a moisture barrier and install a new cover ... and that's with a >surcharge for the BMW because it's harder to work with than the Japanese >seats. > >BTW, for the complete deal, including reshaping the foam and using >color-coordinated vinyl it comes to $183 including shipping, > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:02:17 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26848 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3KJEa02317 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3dcf1159.361bac82@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:01:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Damn Chris, Very well stated. ST In a message dated 10/7/98 1:58:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << At 12:45 PM 10/7/98 , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you >don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if >you don't wear one. That's the same thing many people say about riding a motorcycle versus driving a car. > You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise >up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. What is it about the AMA lobbying for cycles in HOV lanes, trail funds for off-road riders, motorcyclists' access to roads, motorcyclists' health insurance, and motorcyclists' losses in "no-fault" insurance states that you don't like? If you think AMA is only about helmet laws, then you know nothing about the AMA. If you think the AMA stand on helmet laws should keep you from supporting anything the AMA ever supports, then you might want to reconsider whether overall you're helping or hurting motorcycling. Chris Norloff >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:14:59 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27318 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA02141; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:14:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981007181409.CYZR25016@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:14:09 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:13:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdf21e$236c9060$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <361B83A0.27CD4DAB@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal You might give Sargent Saddles a call http://www.sargentcycle.com/ I don't know if they are cheaper, but they do good work. T Dale Horstman wrote: > > Has anyone had good luck with > local upholstery shops? I checked one out, he quoted me $70 to > replace the cover, it seemed a little steep to me for a tiny > solo cruiser seat. Is this a decent price? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:26:35 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27820 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03881 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071829.OAA03881@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Tricks of trade - Winner!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text For folks with some leathers to repair: I just picked up my pants from Tricks of Trade, in great Falls. Cost of work: $15. What was done - redoing some seams on back of my pants. Not easy, since some places covered padding - one need to realing few layers of leather, and avoid going through internal layer of cloth. Quality of work: very good, I have to look where it was broken; Timeliness: Right on time; promissed on Wed, done on Wed, when submitting work I was asked when I need it. Very nice. Price: $15. Dream. I would pay more for shipping it to manufacturer. I strongly recommend. lket the owner know that his ad in Winding road and courtesy earn him more clients. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:34:56 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28355 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA17187; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981007183416.DEQE25016@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:34:16 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:33:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdf220$f2d718a0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981007123623.00fb8280@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal I'll concur with Chris. Sargent does a good job and they will do just about any custom work you want. http://www.sargentcycle.com/ Todd Chris Norloff wrote: > BTW, for the complete deal, including reshaping the foam and using > color-coordinated vinyl it comes to $183 including shipping, with a 5-day > in-shop turnaround. And she said their winter rush starts in January and > it takes up to 2 weeks in the shop. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:42:51 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28612 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA25351; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:42:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv13-69.ix.netcom.com(204.32.189.69) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024955; Wed Oct 7 13:38:14 1998 Message-ID: <361BB4AC.41F2284E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:36:28 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, for those that rode in today, there is a cold line of showers just getting through Loudoun County now, Yipes, I think fall just got here, I wish I had my rain suit on.. -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28803 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 370; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:42:36 -0400 Message-ID: <361BB64B.8A1886DB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:43:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tricks of trade - Winner!! References: <199810071829.OAA03881@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do they do seat covers? :) Glad to hear your repairs went well. Dale zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > For folks with some leathers to repair: > > I just picked up my pants from Tricks of Trade, in great Falls. > > Cost of work: $15. > > What was done - redoing some seams on back of my pants. > Not easy, since some places covered padding - one need to realing few > layers of leather, and avoid going through internal layer of cloth. > > Quality of work: very good, I have to look where it was broken; > > Timeliness: Right on time; promissed on Wed, done on Wed, when > submitting work I was asked when I need it. Very nice. > > Price: $15. Dream. I would pay more for shipping it to manufacturer. > > I strongly recommend. lket the owner know that his ad in Winding road > and courtesy earn him more clients. > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:06:08 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29889 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 374; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:05:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981007150437.01950840@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:05:20 -0400 To: Ken Shephard , dc-cycles From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area In-Reply-To: <361BB4AC.41F2284E@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Damnit. I swear that weathermen dont know their head from their ass. At 02:36 PM 10/7/98 , Ken Shephard wrote: >Hey guys, for those that rode in today, there is a cold line of showers >just getting through Loudoun County now, Yipes, I think fall just got >here, I wish I had my rain suit on.. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:07:23 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29910 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2OZ7ML5S690MWMO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:09:16 EDT Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:11:26 -0400 From: Gimer Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <361BBCDE.9D3624B0@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9093933a.361b9469@aol.com> On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue remember which states are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by those wishing to ride sans helmet? I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their constitutionality and would appreciate the info. BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of big brother > government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is > pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a matter of time > before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is no bike at > all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your > ass on a bus! > Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) > Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:07:24 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29908 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071907.PAA29908@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <43JXDP3Z>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:06:43 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'Ken Shephard'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) nnnnoooooooooo...... :( glad my ride home's only about 3 miles.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:14:25 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00148 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <43FDHPBF>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:12:48 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F62@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tricks of trade - Winner!! Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:18:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain I think Zbig was saying that they had just done some seat covers. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 2:43 PM > To: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Tricks of trade - Winner!! > > Do they do seat covers? :) > > Glad to hear your repairs went well. > > Dale > > zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:23:52 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00626 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA15271; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv13-69.ix.netcom.com(204.32.189.69) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015195; Wed Oct 7 14:22:57 1998 Message-ID: <361BBF38.8722C1E9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:21:28 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Damm weathermen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hell, I am convinced they were more accurate twenty years ago before all the computer and satellite stuff than they are now -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:25:27 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00647 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA15507; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:24:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from san-tx14-69.ix.netcom.com(204.32.189.69) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015402; Wed Oct 7 14:23:45 1998 Message-ID: <361BBF68.91CA322D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:22:17 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area References: <199810071907.MAA16896@ixmail6.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lucky you, or unlucky when the weather is nice, mines 70..... McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > nnnnoooooooooo...... :( glad my ride home's only about 3 miles.. > > Brian -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:33:06 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01050 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA19757; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981007193201.DWIS25016@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:32:01 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Gimer" , Subject: RE: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:31:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdf229$038a0600$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <361BBCDE.9D3624B0@smart.net> Importance: Normal Go here Tom http://www.mrf.org/ All you ever wanted to know on the subject and more! Todd > On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue > remember which states > are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by > those wishing to > ride sans helmet? > > I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their > constitutionality and would appreciate the info. > > > BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > > > It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of > big brother > > government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is > > pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a > matter of time > > before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is > no bike at > > all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your > > ass on a bus! > > Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) > > Steel Trap > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:58:49 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02205 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA04151; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071959.PAA04151@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area To: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken Shephard) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361BBF68.91CA322D@ix.netcom.com> from "Ken Shephard" at Oct 7, 98 03:22:17 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > References: <199810071907.MAA16896@XXXXXX> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Lucky you, or unlucky when the weather is nice, mines 70..... > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > nnnnoooooooooo...... :( glad my ride home's only about 3 miles.. > > > > Brian 9 miles from the shop to my home. New tires, mud on the road. Anyway, new tires - feels liek new bike. No longer hesitation and drop when leaning into corner; smooth, gradula transistion. I will have to break in tires on Saturday - I won't have a chance to ride before. See you on the road ! > > -- > HDKnight > Ride Safe > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood WV > > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 16:06:45 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02487 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:06:43 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA04234; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810072009.QAA04234@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tricks of trade - Winner!! To: merscht@XXXXXX (Mersch, Tom) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F62@RBMAIL103> from "Mersch, Tom" at Oct 7, 98 03:18:23 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > I think Zbig was saying that they had just done some seat covers. > Saddles. Shoes. New shoes ( very nice and lovely ). Art froms from leathers. Belts. Very nice place, lot of craftmanship at display. Worthy a trip just to see it on the way to great falls. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 16:36:45 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03828 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26473 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:36:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Life In-Reply-To: <00b701bdf14d$2302be00$c07f61ce@thg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > As far as Azarros, I saw Craig eat one up in about 2k miles.....but Kirk got > some excellent life out of one (how much was it?). Hmmm.... I've gotten about 6k miles so far and I expect to get a couple K more. However, I'd rather get 6.5K miles out of an MEZ1 and get a lot more grip. I won't be buying Azaros again. Mind you that the Azaro is on the rear of a bike that weighs less than 600 lbs with me and my bags on it. Collin's words of praise were for a bike that weighed almost as much as me and my bike together... The MEZ3s will probably be next. Oh, I've got about 12k miles out of an MEZ1 racing front so far. My tires get worn out commuting... Kirk (late in this thread as I spent yesterday in Disney World) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 19:19:00 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10692 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981007232047.26631.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.195.115.133] by send103.yahoomail.com; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:20:47 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Tire Life To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > > As far as Azarros, I saw Craig eat one up in about 2k miles.....but Kirk got > > some excellent life out of one (how much was it?). Hmmm.... ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > I've gotten about 6k miles so far and I expect to get a couple K more. > However, I'd rather get 6.5K miles out of an MEZ1 and get a lot more grip. > I won't be buying Azaros again. The Azaro was nice when it was new, but after it got 1500-2000mi. on it, it went away quick and I could feel the loss in handling. The construction seemed not as good either, as the casing is soft and flimsy as compared to Dunlops or Metzlers. Granted I put it through several significant heat cycles and "blued" the edges a couple times, hehehhe I agree with Kirk that I wont be buying another. Michelins are next for me and the "beast". == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 19:24:51 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11067 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZPQa03785 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:23:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 The guy looking for sites to gain info for his research paper. I think Chris give you the MRF, there great. Here is BOLT's address: http://usff.com/BOLThome.html The AMA has a bunch of good stuff as well. http://www.ama-cycle.org A bro name of Lee runs a good site out of Calif. http://www.amaheim.quik.com/jordan/lawinfo.htm I have others if ya need more. Good hunting! ST From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 19:28:20 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11151 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p145.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.145]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18463 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:25:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <361BF7D2.5F03@flash.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:22:58 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride References: <9093933a.361b9469@aol.com> <361BBCDE.9D3624B0@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gimer wrote: > > On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue remember which states > are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by those wishing to > ride sans helmet? > > I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their > constitutionality and would appreciate the info. Gimer, Texas and Kentucky, for two. You can start your research with (the cursed, eh Doug?) AMA's American Motorcyclist issues 5/98 and 9/98. Ed Youngblood wrote an editorial in May and had several Letters to the Editor printed in the September issue. As far as constitutionality, that's irrelevant these days. Even the legislators who respect the Constitution can be overridden by activist judges. Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the Constitution, so the standard is set. It's not government per se, it's the people we elect. Lee From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 19:52:48 1998 Return-Path: robmoody@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12075 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron3 ([12.68.65.234]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19981007235215.PEBL22015@micron3> for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:52:15 +0000 From: "RobMoody" To: Subject: Used helmets needed Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:58:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdf24e$74621dc0$a541440c@micron3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I need to buy two used helmets sizes small and medium. Rob robmoody@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 21:46:43 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16695 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:33:59 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: Wingebagos Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:36:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01bdf25c$088e52e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361BA444.1C3686B4@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Funny thing is, I carry one of those little 12v jobs that you can get at Pep Boys or Trak for $15. Work really well, doesn't take up that much space, and if it breaks, I toss it and buy a new one. I keep reading about GL12 and 15 owners trying to track down leaks, shorts, etc. in their onboard air system. Way too much hassle. BTW, it works REALLY nice for checking and topping off tires in the morning while on a trip. I'll agree with you on the trailer. I thought about it, but you can put on a hack for not much more money. Although the pop-top camper-trailers are a nifty idea... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I just hope it doesn't transform me into a Wing-rider. Oh wait, > I've already got a CB, and the little Touring USA 48 state chart. > And I'm gonna be mounting highway pegs soon. AUUGGGH, IT'S > STARTING ALREADY! :) > > If I ever get a trailer to tow behind it, somebody shoot me. Please! > > At least I don't have an on-board air compressor. Whew. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 21:46:45 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16697 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:35:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gimer" , Subject: RE: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:38:09 -0400 Message-ID: <007001bdf25c$4ddbb7c0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361BBCDE.9D3624B0@smart.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Might want to check the AMA site, but Kentucky and Texas are on the list. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Gimer [mailto:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 3:11 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride > > > On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue > remember which states > are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by > those wishing to > ride sans helmet? > > I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their > constitutionality and would appreciate the info. > > > BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > > > It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of > big brother > > government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is > > pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a > matter of time > > before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is > no bike at > > all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your > > ass on a bus! > > Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) > > Steel Trap > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 22:32:39 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18411 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana ([207.172.117.209]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 375; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:32:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981007223047.00ad5aa0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:31:42 -0400 To: "RobMoody" , From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Used helmets needed In-Reply-To: <000801bdf24e$74621dc0$a541440c@micron3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 07:58 PM 10/7/98 -0400, RobMoody wrote: >I need to buy two used helmets sizes small and medium. Rob >robmoody@XXXXXX 2 things 1) Can anyone post to this list, even if they arent subscribed? 2) What would you use used helmets for? (safety issue) _____________________________________=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0 Mike Troutman =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mike@XXXXXX =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.troutman.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 22:49:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19170 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16419 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07939 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3UCVa03786; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:48:35 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <75592fb6.361c2803@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:48:35 EDT To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/7/98 12:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if you don't wear one. You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about.>> Your are ignorant to the issues if you think that is all abate and ama care about. try doing some research on this stuff, you may be supprised as to how much it will affect you. I know I was. One thing is for sure...with the way the RUBs go out and buy new Harleys with no prior m/c training, repealing the helmet law will only result in a fresh supply of used Harley parts from salvaged bikes in junkyards, with their RUB owners pushin' up daisies in the local graveyard.>> Hmm, harleys huh.. yeah, thats why I joined ABATE when I was riding a CBR 600, and now I have a 98 TLR. well, ya got me on the v-twin. ;-) Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 22:50:42 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from owl.hartzler.net (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.80]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19249 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ph@localhost) by owl.hartzler.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA01834 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:48:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:48:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Used helmets needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Michael Troutman wrote: > At 07:58 PM 10/7/98 -0400, RobMoody wrote: > >I need to buy two used helmets sizes small and medium. Rob > >robmoody@XXXXXX > > 2 things > > 1) Can anyone post to this list, even if they arent subscribed? If you're reading this, then anybody can post. > 2) What would you use used helmets for? (safety issue) Halloween costume perhaps? ;) -ph ph@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 23:57:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21759 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17095 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09261 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3SULa22052; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:56:16 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <57353656.361c37e0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:56:16 EDT To: roadhouse@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Lean runner fixed... Embarrasing!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, I figured out why my bike was acting sluggish. It wasn't because it need to be rejetted or the fuel was bad or anything like that. The screws that hold the airbox cover on had worked themselves loose and fallen out! The cover was laying on the outer body panel and the carbs were sucking waaay too much air! OOPS!! I Guess that since it rattled the screws loose my Shadow is a "Harley wanna-be." Robert "No offense intended" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 23:57:30 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21756 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA29591; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:52:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:46:33 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: help with a seat cover To: Dale Horstman cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <361B83A0.27CD4DAB@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Tracy's got a rip in the seat cover of her Suzuki Savage. > Where it's positioned it is quite literally and figuratively a > pain in the ass. I need to get a new cover. Want some new vinyl?I bought some to mod the seat on the ex-POS.I only needed about 3 square inches,but had to buy a square yard,so I've got plenty left over.If you're interested,just send me a large SASE and tell me how big a piece you need. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 00:20:27 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22632 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:17:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:20:04 -0400 Message-ID: <008901bdf272$ec530820$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Did you get rid of the Pretty Hate Machine? How's life in the right lane? Anybody make any offers on the new bike? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [mailto:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:47 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: help with a seat cover > > > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Tracy's got a rip in the seat cover of her Suzuki Savage. > > Where it's positioned it is quite literally and figuratively a > > pain in the ass. I need to get a new cover. > > Want some new vinyl?I bought some to mod the seat on the ex-POS.I only > needed about 3 square inches,but had to buy a square yard,so I've > got plenty > left over.If you're interested,just send me a large SASE and tell me how > big a piece you need. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 03:24:21 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00777 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA01384; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:20:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:18:16 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <008901bdf272$ec530820$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > Did you get rid of the Pretty Hate Machine? Yup.Traded it for the Dyna. > How's life in the right lane? Ha ha. > Anybody make any offers on the new bike? Sold the Fat Boy to a friend of a friend of the brother-in-law of a lister. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 03:43:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA01607 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 03:41:11 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdf28f$57756b40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Yup.Traded it for the Dyna. Geez, missed that post. How is it? What color? What dealer? > > How's life in the right lane? > > Ha ha. At least it's not life in the breakdown lane anymore (knock wood) > > Anybody make any offers on the new bike? > > Sold the Fat Boy to a friend of a friend of the brother-in-law > of a lister. Why did you switch? Chose the improved handling, etc. over the appearance? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 04:36:47 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA04277 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA01634; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:33:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:07:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <000001bdf28f$57756b40$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > > Yup.Traded it for the Dyna. > Geez, missed that post. How is it? What color? What dealer? Just got back.It's black.I got it at Brain's HD/Buell in PA (just above Phila).You can find their website through Yahoo and there's a pic of it in their used bike section. > > Sold the Fat Boy to a friend of a friend of the brother-in-law > > of a lister. > Why did you switch? Chose the improved handling, etc. over the appearance? Yup.Dyna's for riding,Fat Boy's for posing.Better handling/ground clearance,dual front disks,rubber mounted motor,detachable windshield and bags.And way more comfortable than the POS. This thing is really sweet.Even at idle there's hardly any vibes.Handling and brakes are pretty much on par with the '80's series Magnas,in fact the seating position is the same as my Dad's '84 700 model.All the weight is down low and there's tons of steering lock so this bike is way easier to maneauver at low speeds than the Buell was;I can actually do u-turns again. Both my Dad and my uncle(hard core Honda riders) have ridden it and they both gave it thumbs up.Dad said after taking a spin on this he might even consider getting a Harley someday. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 06:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08748 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FNQFa02329; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5a856ba2.361c94ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:32:26 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: help with a seat cover Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/8/98 4:43:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Yup.Dyna's for riding,Fat Boy's for posing.B >> Hmmmmm, I see that even within a style concious group there are fine distinctions. Do Fat Boy riders wave at Dyna riders?:-))) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 06:58:04 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09633 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810081058.GAA09633@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4PD8PC6M>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:57:57 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:55:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) This is the intent and design of the Avon.. I forget all the high-tech explinations, but something about the softer carcas allowed them to build the tire differently to get the 0degree belting in the center. One interesting note on the 2 people who don't like the Azaros.. they're both on twins. Twins deliver power to the ground a LOT differently than Collin's GSXR.. So don't let these 2 scare you away from trying the tire.. I'm convinced that they are good tires (just from watching Collin ride with it last summer). Anyway.. I'll go hide in my corner somemore.. :P Brian McCoy *-----Original Message----- *The construction seemed not as good either, as the casing is soft and *flimsy as compared to Dunlops or Metzlers. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 07:17:57 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10417 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TDP4Q>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:16:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Gil's Bikes... was RE: help with a seat cover Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:16:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I gotta hand it to you Gil, you have the most diverse taste in motorcycles I think I've seen. You should send a list of the bikes you've had. The ones I know about are: V30 Magna, CBR900RR, Buell (don't know which one, they all look the same), HD Dyna. Which ones am I missing? Glenn > Yup.Traded it for the Dyna. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:01:01 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12121 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04922; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSN3T>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC642@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Michael Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Used helmets needed Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:02:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, it doesn't do a mail verification like most majordomo servers... Anyone can post to dc-cycles from any address and it'll go through... Collin (I'm only subscribed from "gixer@XXXXXX", but when at work, my posts come from the .mil address, and at home the come from geocities, or erols depending on what mail I'm checking or when I decide to post something) > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Used helmets needed > > > 1) Can anyone post to this list, even if they arent subscribed? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:15:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12880 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23055 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15416 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05759; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSN3Z>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC643@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'" , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sean, I agree with you and Chris N. that the helmet issue is not the only thing that ABATE and AMA do for motorcyclists. My biggest bitch (moreso towards ABATE than AMA) is that in the public eye, they are making the biggest stink about the helmet thing.. the other great stuff they do rarely sees the light of day outside of motorcycle circles. Hmmm.. sounds just like the NRA... I see it like this... The biggest portion of us are gonna wear a helmet regardless...Regardless of facts one way or the other, Joe Public, non-motorcylist, thinks helmets save lives and keep their health insurance bills down... They see it as a safety issue, not a choice issue, and you're not gonna change their oppinions on that......So why doesn't ABATE and AMA BACK THIS ISSUE and build credibility with the non-motorcycling community so that we can have a more widespread support on the big issues like this silly airbag crap and leg guards for crying out loud....Cause when it comes time to do things in legislatures, we're gonna need the support of not only motorcyclists, but the support of Joe Public too... (the same arguments go for the seatbelt law...it's basically the same thing...let's face it, most Americans are too stupid to do the simple things that can save their lives) When the NRA tried to stomp the 5 day waiting period, they lost damn near every bit of credibility with the public... As a result, they are nowhere near the capitol hill powerhouse they used to be. Not to mention all the membership they lost (me included)... I'm sure I started a big one here, but oh well..... gotta have something to do on a drizzlly Thursday > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride > > Your are ignorant to the issues if you think that is all abate and ama > care > about. try doing some research on this stuff, you may be supprised as to > how > much it will affect you. I know I was. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:17:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12908 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23074 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15432 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id IAA02185; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256697.006607A6 ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:14:49 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.004342DA.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:15:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=SN60ro8jqVjgZIF0AiAPLdfjSfTBlWInLJLaX9ibjQ0rF0X16aZCdlSz" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=SN60ro8jqVjgZIF0AiAPLdfjSfTBlWInLJLaX9ibjQ0rF0X16aZCdlSz Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I *never* said the helmet issue was the only thing the AMA or ABATE cared about, though all I hear about ABATE deals with the helmet issue. When I mention the organization to other riders they instantly go to the helmet issue, so of the general population that has actually heard of the organization, I'm tempted to say that many associate them directly with the helmet issue (and then form their opinions either way from there). I know the AMA is involved with motorcycles in the HOV lane, more rights for riders, etc. Maybe another reason I haven't joined the AMA is because I don't have an m/c anymore, nor do I have loads of disposable income I choose to throw around at the moment (one reason I sold the old bike...maybe someday I'll just buy one new). As for you being a RUB, which is the blurb of my message that you responded to in your second statement, thats for you to decide. I don't see any phrases in my statement indicating that I was associating RUBs and their Harleys with ABATE (please don't manipulate my words)...on the contrary, I bet any recreational riding RUB would be the last person to join a political motorcycle organization because they probably don't care enough about the issue...if they make it too difficult for them to ride, they'll sell the Harley (and the trailer they use to cart it in and out of the city) and just drive the beemer. Just IMO, -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX to file: 10/07/98 10:48 PM pic12667.pcx) To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride In a message dated 10/7/98 12:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if you don't wear one. 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I will say that the Azaros were sticky and provided good grip when "NEW". Nice snot wads build up on the edges when you get them hot..hehehhe ---"McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > This is the intent and design of the Avon.. I forget all the high-tech > explinations, but something about the softer carcas allowed them to build > the tire differently to get the 0degree belting in the center. == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13567 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TDS28>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:33:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:34:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) That's a Bimmer not a Beemer. :-) Glenn > about the issue...if they make it too difficult for them to ride, they'll > sell the Harley (and the trailer they use to cart it in and out of the > city) and just drive the beemer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:37:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13858 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23222 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15643 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id IAA04486 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256697.0066358B ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:35:44 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.00451D66.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:35:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=HXTc5eNGZwGrY7Ua0FUDjOZnPsodqHzmvglESnEpzUsVP7blLz9wpZeh" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=HXTc5eNGZwGrY7Ua0FUDjOZnPsodqHzmvglESnEpzUsVP7blLz9wpZeh Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline oops...misphrase in the second paragraph of my last message...please just disregard it... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride I *never* said the helmet issue was the only thing the AMA or ABATE cared about, though all I hear about ABATE deals with the helmet issue. When I mention the organization to other riders they instantly go to the helmet issue, so of the general population that has actually heard of the organization, I'm tempted to say that many associate them directly with the helmet issue (and then form their opinions either way from there). I know the AMA is involved with motorcycles in the HOV lane, more rights for riders, etc. Maybe another reason I haven't joined the AMA is because I don't have an m/c anymore, nor do I have loads of disposable income I choose to throw around at the moment (one reason I sold the old bike...maybe someday I'll just buy one new). As for you being a RUB, which is the blurb of my message that you responded to in your second statement, thats for you to decide. I don't see any phrases in my statement indicating that I was associating RUBs and their Harleys with ABATE (please don't manipulate my words)...on the contrary, I bet any recreational riding RUB would be the last person to join a political motorcycle organization because they probably don't care enough about the issue...if they make it too difficult for them to ride, they'll sell the Harley (and the trailer they use to cart it in and out of the city) and just drive the beemer. Just IMO, -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX to file: 10/07/98 10:48 PM pic12667.pcx) To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride In a message dated 10/7/98 12:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if you don't wear one. You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about.>> Your are ignorant to the issues if you think that is all abate and ama care about. try doing some research on this stuff, you may be supprised as to how much it will affect you. I know I was. 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Of course, when the mud slingers start digging they're bound to dig up something on just about anyone. Who out there has done no wrong? And even if they didn't find anything they'd just make it up...if Barbara Bush ran for president they'd probably say she worked in a brothel :-O sad state of affairs, eh? -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX Please respond to leerider@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Gimer wrote: > > On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue remember which states > are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by those wishing to > ride sans helmet? > > I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their > constitutionality and would appreciate the info. Gimer, Texas and Kentucky, for two. You can start your research with (the cursed, eh Doug?) AMA's American Motorcyclist issues 5/98 and 9/98. Ed Youngblood wrote an editorial in May and had several Letters to the Editor printed in the September issue. As far as constitutionality, that's irrelevant these days. Even the legislators who respect the Constitution can be overridden by activist judges. Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the Constitution, so the standard is set. It's not government per se, it's the people we elect. Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:47:51 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14259 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07835; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNPD>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:49:03 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC645@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Craig'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:49:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I've heard the TL's in general cause a lot of casing flex (especially on the Metzlers)...Either way, I though the Azarro's felxed very similar to a race tire... when leaned over to max lean angles, the tire would fold up and over the rim keeping extra rubber on the ground... The rear never peeled up on me, but the front always looked like a race tire after a hard ride (burred up bigtime...got some pics of it somehwere at the house) > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:40 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Tire Life > > May be the reason, but it's kinda un-nerving when your line is set for > a corner and the casing flexes , makes the back end twitch and changes > your line... > I will say that the Azaros were sticky and provided good grip when > "NEW". > Nice snot wads build up on the edges when you get them hot..hehehhe > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:53:05 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14383 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08145; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNPH>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC647@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:54:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That's why I'd never make it to public office... I've done plenty of things that are "wrong" in the eyes of the puritanistic public (some of you know some of it ..he he he) But unlike some folks I'd tell it like it is... they don't like me for who I am, stuff em... Plenty of jobs out there for me anyhow... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:58:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14705 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23406 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16057 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Thu Oct 8 07:58 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA18808 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDF299.C2681100@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to learn that they only have 35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge due to reliability issues. BTW, there's a good auto junk yard out there. --John 98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:59:35 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14757 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:59:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id IAA07746; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256697.00667CDB ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.00473A01.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:49 -0400 Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Something my brother said that I completely agree with is that you have to be an ego-maniac to want to run for president...a power hungry egomaniac, and possibly somewhat of a massochist for all the abuse you're going to take, all the misconceptions people are going to draw on your character and views, and all the hassles your family will sustain. Guess thats why we end up with these people in office...when was the last time you felt genuinely positive about a presidential candidate, versus choosing the lesser of two evils? -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c That's why I'd never make it to public office... I've done plenty of things that are "wrong" in the eyes of the puritanistic public (some of you know some of it ..he he he) But unlike some folks I'd tell it like it is... they don't like me for who I am, stuff em... Plenty of jobs out there for me anyhow... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:06:53 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send105.yahoomail.com (send105.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14913 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981008130728.19250.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send105.yahoomail.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 06:07:28 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:07:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Tire Life To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is all very true and to add to it , The ones you use to race on don't generally get 1500 miles on them, so the tire may act differently for you. On the Metzler subject, I have not had a tire that lasted and was as confidence inspiring on the front as the ME-Z1/racing is...It outlasted the Dunlop 204 - 207...and didn't get the "cupping" that the dunlops inheriently do. ---"Fagan, Collin LTJG" wrote: > > I've heard the TL's in general cause a lot of casing flex (especially on the > Metzlers)...Either way, I though the Azarro's felxed very similar to a race > tire... when leaned over to max lean angles, the tire would fold up and over > the rim keeping extra rubber on the ground... > > The rear never peeled up on me, but the front always looked like a race tire > after a hard ride (burred up bigtime...got some pics of it somehwere at the > house) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:40 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Tire Life > > > > May be the reason, but it's kinda un-nerving when your line is set for > > a corner and the casing flexes , makes the back end twitch and changes > > your line... > > I will say that the Azaros were sticky and provided good grip when > > "NEW". > > Nice snot wads build up on the edges when you get them hot..hehehhe > > > > > > > == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:28:35 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15805 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TD4C3>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:26:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:26:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I think the EX500 have more then 60 hp (at the crank). Glenn > . (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:34:02 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16118 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 313; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: <361CBF3D.996AD461@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:33:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: help with a seat cover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > Yup.Dyna's for riding,Fat Boy's for posing.Better handling/ground > clearance,dual front disks,rubber mounted motor,detachable windshield > and bags. This thing is really sweet.Even at idle there's > hardly any vibes.Handling and brakes are pretty much on par with the > '80's series Magnas, Cool! You confirmed some of my suspicions about the Dyna Convertible. If I ever get rich and eccentric enough (I guess I've got the eccentric part down pat), that'll be the Harley I buy. Are you gonna get that frame brace thingy that we all talked about here a few weeks ago? Cure the Dyna's flex problems? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:36:13 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16205 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 350; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: <361CBFC8.84446D7@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:36:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" CC: "'Gil M. Nissley'" Subject: Re: Gil's Bikes... was RE: help with a seat cover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > I gotta hand it to you Gil, you have the most diverse taste in motorcycles I > think I've seen. You should send a list of the bikes you've had. The ones > I know about are: V30 Magna, CBR900RR, Buell (don't know which one, they all > look the same), HD Dyna. That's not so strange. Simply put, all bikes are cool. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16604 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 188; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:43:41 -0400 Message-ID: <361CC1C3.598C311A@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:44:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad Presidents, non-m/c References: <85256697.00473A01.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > Something my brother said that I completely agree with is that you have to > be an ego-maniac to want to run for president...a power hungry egomaniac, Or in Bubba's case, you have to be married to one. :) > when was the last time you felt > genuinely positive about a presidential candidate, versus choosing the > lesser of two evils? Actually, I liked George Bush as an individual, he just wasn't a very good president, lacked vision on domestic issues. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:49:02 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16703 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 308; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:46:10 -0400 Message-ID: <361CC258.14C51E0B@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:47:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC645@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > when leaned over to max lean angles, the tire would fold up and over > the rim keeping extra rubber on the ground... Oy vay! Maybe I don't wanna grow up to be like Collin. :) I think I would freak out if I knew my tires were doing this. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:57:31 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17183 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981008135938.10828.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send104.yahoomail.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 06:59:38 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Tire Life To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aww come now Dale.... All tires are doing this to some degree, It's just intensified with the LOW air pressures that they run on the track... ---Dale Horstman wrote: > I think I would freak out if I knew my tires were doing this. :) == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:11:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17740 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24376 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18306 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:10:10 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:07:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:10:27 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycles!!! (Please) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline A friend of mine bought one of the first Dnepr sidecar rigs 'bout 15 years ago (predesessor to URAL). Essentially it's a crude rooskie copy of a WWII BMW, which they had plenty of when Old Man Winter kicked the nazis off the eastern front. They are cool in a sidecar kinda way. His was the "military" model with the driven sidecar wheel (it had a differential like a car). When he drove (yes you drive) it solo, he had to keep a bag of cement in the car. You're wrong about the power and torque, however. There was NO power ANYWHERE :-) Joe >>> "Carver, John" - 10/8/98 8:58 AM >>> Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to learn that they only have 35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge due to reliability issues. BTW, there's a good auto junk yard out there. --John 98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:11:50 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17743 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08653; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Craig cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Life In-Reply-To: <19981008123027.6761.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Craig wrote: > May be the reason, but it's kinda un-nerving when your line is set for > a corner and the casing flexes , makes the back end twitch and changes > your line... That may be what was going on with my tires that I took for sliding. I know there was some shifting in the rear end that didn't occur nice and smoothly. I will, however, admit to being somewhat hamfisted... The MEZ1s are much more forgiving of my hamfistedness. > Nice snot wads build up on the edges when you get them hot..hehehhe The first time I rode with Craig he was still happy with the Azaros (they were new). When we got through 211 and took a look at our tires both of our rear Azaros had snot wads all over the place. I think Leon said it most poignantly, "you're not going to get many miles out of those". Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:14:11 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18117 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810081414.KAA18117@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4PD8PGSX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:13:51 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:10:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) it ain't that low.. 28 or so on average days.. maybe down to the low 20's on cold mornings... And that's more for the flex to keep the tire warm.. Brian *-----Original Message----- * *Aww come now Dale.... *All tires are doing this to some degree, It's just intensified with *the LOW air pressures that they run on the track... * From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:19:47 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18210 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:18:20 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:16:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:18:54 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Saw a great piece of graffito on a bridge in Minneapolis way back: "Bush vs. Dukakis: Coke vs. Pepsi" Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:36:05 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19119 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ2W9DVJ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:34:58 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad Presidents, non-m/c Message-ID: <19981006.080803.7751.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <85256697.00473A01.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> <361CC1C3.598C311A@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:34:58 EDT >you have to be an ego-maniac to want to run for president...a power hungry >egomaniac, > >>Or in Bubba's case, you have to be married to one. :) I know funny, and that's funny... --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:59:20 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20013 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimerhome (max2p209.smart.net [206.97.127.209]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18493; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bdf2ce$28bb7300$d17f61ce@gimerhome> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:12:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Lee Powell To: dc-cycles Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride >Gimer, > >Texas and Kentucky, for two. You can start your research with (the >cursed, eh Doug?) AMA's American Motorcyclist issues 5/98 and 9/98. Ed >Youngblood wrote an editorial in May and had several Letters to the >Editor printed in the September issue. I remember reading those articles....just didn't remember where. Thanks. >As far as constitutionality, that's irrelevant these days. Even the >legislators who respect the Constitution can be overridden by activist >judges. Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the >Constitution, so the standard is set. I have to disagree with you here. Judges die....the Constitution won't. Anyway, I'm writing the note from an unbiased perspective....whatever I find in my analysis of the Constitution's application to these proposed laws is what will end up in my paper. Not sure how the Clinton thing relates to this topic....but it seems to enter every conversation these days. >It's not government per se, it's the people we elect. > >Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 11:10:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20461 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25247 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20937 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:07:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:09:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdf2cd$b6bd03e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal They only put out that kind of power because they are basically a WWII BMW design. R71, I think. And, according to the guy at Winchester Indian, they are a rather poorly put together, unrefined, unreliable bike (which is why you would buy a BMW in the first place). OTOH, I've met one guy at Mortons BMW who had one and loved it, and Craig Velorchik (big into vintage BMWs) seems to prefer them to Chiang Jiangs. The other thing is that you can put the /5 and /7 engines into the bike fairly easily. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:58 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ > They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to > learn that they only have > 35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available > down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there > is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. > I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to > take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge > due to reliability issues. > > BTW, there's a good auto junk yard out there. > > --John > 98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 11:12:18 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20537 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18964 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNQS>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC64A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: more FS stuff Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:13:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain More for sale stuff... Lot's of F2/F3 riders on the list... Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:05:32 -0400 From: "Tony Iannarelli" To: Subject: F3 Parts for Sale Message-ID: <199810080401.VAA25592@moto.micapeak.com> http://www.samnet.net/racingrep/miscellaneous/f3parts4sale.htm If you (or someone you know) is looking to race an F3 - go to this page. Everything you need in one place, at less than half the cost of new. -------------------------- Tony Iannarelli SAMnet Motorcycle Racing tony@XXXXXX http://www.samnet.net/racingrep From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 11:27:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21149 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25531 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21748 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:26:22 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:24:00 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:26:44 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Right, fit & finish is absolutely stone-age. Unsurpassed in funk value, however. >>> "George Howell" - 10/8/98 11:09 AM >>> They only put out that kind of power because they are basically a WWII BMW design. R71, I think. And, according to the guy at Winchester Indian, they are a rather poorly put together, unrefined, unreliable bike (which is why you would buy a BMW in the first place). OTOH, I've met one guy at Mortons BMW who had one and loved it, and Craig Velorchik (big into vintage BMWs) seems to prefer them to Chiang Jiangs. The other thing is that you can put the /5 and /7 engines into the bike fairly easily. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:58 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ > They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to > learn that they only have > 35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available > down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there > is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. > I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to > take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge > due to reliability issues. > > BTW, there's a good auto junk yard out there. > > --John > 98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:11:43 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22990 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3DABa22759; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:10:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/8/98 9:16:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << Subj: RE: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: 10/8/98 9:16:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: cfagan@XXXXXX (Fagan, Collin LTJG) To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX ('CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'), Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sean, I agree with you and Chris N. that the helmet issue is not the only thing that ABATE and AMA do for motorcyclists. My biggest bitch (moreso towards ABATE than AMA) is that in the public eye, they are making the biggest stink about the helmet thing.. the other great stuff they do rarely sees the light of day outside of motorcycle circles. Hmmm.. sounds just like the NRA... I see it like this... The biggest portion of us are gonna wear a helmet regardless...Regardless of facts one way or the other I agree with you, therefore why the need to restrict freedom of choice? , Joe Public, non-motorcylist, thinks helmets save lives and keep their health insurance bills down... They see it as a safety issue, not a choice issue, and you're not gonna change their oppinions on that......So why doesn't ABATE and AMA BACK THIS ISSUE and build credibility with the non-motorcycling community so that we can have a more widespread support on the big issues like this silly airbag crap and leg guards for crying out loud.... Once again I agree with you. If we could have stopped the mandatory helmet laws we would not be looking at airbags and leg guards now. Cause when it comes time to do things in legislatures, we're gonna need the support of not only motorcyclists, but the support of Joe Public too... (the same arguments go for the seatbelt law...it's basically the same thing... let's face it, most Americans are too stupid to do the simple things that can save their lives) Are you saying your smarter then the most Americans? Feeling rather superior aren't you? You have the same thinking as "big brother." When the NRA tried to stomp the 5 day waiting period, they lost damn near every bit of credibility with the public... You don't think much of the Constitution uh As a result, they are nowhere near the capitol hill powerhouse they used to be. Not to mention all the membership they lost (me included)... Practicing "Freedom of choice" uh I'm sure I started a big one here, but oh well..... gotta have something to do on a drizzlly Thursday >> Don't be afraid to speak you mind, that's what "Freedom of speech" is all about. Alas, that is part of the Consatution that you don't think much of though. Just having my say, that's what the list is all about. Ride Free! ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:29:25 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23729 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25684; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNRF>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC64B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:30:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain As much as I'm telling myself to keep my mouth shut.... I just can't do that... Where in the constitution does it say that as part of my right to bear arms that I have the right to buy them today??? Not one thing unconstitutional about doing a quick background check (which is all that 's required now...the 5 day waiting period has been dropped) Where in the constitution does it say that you have the right to drive on a road? hmmm??? It's a privelege not a right... This will be a little exagerated to make the point, but along your same theory, I should be able to choose to drive on the left side of the road...or choose to ignore stop signs..all cause it's my freedom of choice... I'm not superior by any means... When it first came out, I resented seat belt laws...However, between an addimant driver's ed instructor at 15, and getting very used to wearing one, I don't feel comfortable at all without one... A lot of it came with age too...as I got older I realized that my teenage mentality that I was indestructible wasn't quite right...I think some people just haven't realized that yet... I truly believe that if the two groups had fully supported the helmet issue they would have a lot stronger power to deal with the airbag/leg guard/etc. issues that don't make any feasable sense...i.e. most crashes I've seen, the rider generally is separated frome the bike..an airbag will be useless. However, most crashes I've seen, the riders head does indeed whack the ground...as it is now, people are gonna pay a lot less attention to them and pass silly requirements like that.. I believe in the freedom of choice and the constitution....However, we're talking about driving..it's a privelege not a right! Collin Any further comments from me will be off list.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:40:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24223 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26615 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24787 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23452; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981008163958.KDBZ22777@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:58 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:38:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdf2da$24754760$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000601bdf2cd$b6bd03e0$6e0000c0@demon> They are as George writes, but at more than half the price of some of those BMW$$$$. Also, I heard Winchester Indian was having some trouble getting any Urals due to the EPA requirements violations. So now they have them? John C., If you are really interested in these bikes (I am, for their "funky value" (Joe Nagy)), go to the Baltimore Moto-Show in February. They'll be there. Up close, they're pretty cool. Todd George Howell wrote: > > They only put out that kind of power because they are basically a WWII BMW > design. R71, I think. > > And, according to the guy at Winchester Indian, they are a rather > poorly put > together, unrefined, unreliable bike (which is why you would buy a BMW in > the first place). OTOH, I've met one guy at Mortons BMW who had one and > loved it, and Craig Velorchik (big into vintage BMWs) seems to prefer them > to Chiang Jiangs. The other thing is that you can put the /5 and > /7 engines > into the bike fairly easily. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:42:05 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24243 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA20325; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981008163956.KDBV22777@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:56 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdf2da$23611840$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <85256697.00473A01.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Ronald Reagen, Ron Paul, Harry Browne....any Libertarian Party candidate. Douglas_Brashear wrote (in part) >...when was the last time you felt > genuinely positive about a presidential candidate, versus choosing the > lesser of two evils? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:58:32 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25192 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:58:28 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3JLEa02082 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 This is a bit long but worth the time. ST UNDERSTANDING HEAD AND NECK TRAUMA Or, why helmets increase the danger! by Tony Pan Sanfelipo (January 1998) HEAD AND NECK TRAUMA Trauma is a type of injury which effects the body by external force being applied in a violent and sudden manner. When dealing with motorcycle accidents, it's important to understand the types of forces which a rider = is subjected to, the body parts affected by these forces, and how the body re= acts to certain inertia or 'g-forces'. It has been suggested by NHTSA that helmets might prevent neck injury. Thi= s was prompted by testimony before the Tennessee Transportation Committee wh= en I stated that helmets could cause cervical spine injury due to their weight.= In order to rebut these remarks, a regional spokesman for NHTSA testified tha= t more people receive neck injury without a helmet than those wearing helmet= s. Therefore, he concluded, without any foundation or authorities, that helme= ts might prevent neck injury. This of course is utter nonsense. First, let's define the different types of trauma. 1. Penetrating trauma 2. Blunt trauma 3. Acceleration/deceleration trauma Penetrating trauma is an object entering the body or head due to an object striking the body, or the body being placed in motion and striking an obje= ct which then penetrates the body. Blunt trauma occurs when an object strikes the body or head with force cau= sing a compression of body tissues which results in injury. Acceleration/deceleration trauma occurs when the body is moving and strike= s another moving or stationary object. This results in a change of motion fo= r the body, or a complete stop of motion, which causes stretching and tearin= g of body tissues. When considering the way the FMVSS 218 standard tests helmets, it's clear = that these tests in no way simulate an actual crash situation. The headform in = the helmet has no neck or neck sensors and the helmet is stationary with a wei= ght dropped on it (compression) from an elevation. To properly simulate a crash, a full form human crash test dummy should be used (or perhaps the regional spokesman for NHTSA), whereby the dummy is moving at a certain speed and then comes to an abrupt halt or strikes a stationary object (acceleration/deceleration). 'G-Forces' 'G-forces' are what determines the extent of injury to the head or neck in many motorcycle accidents. When a body is stopped (due to crashing into a stationary object) or is hurled into space with a three pound helmet flexi= ng the neck, the force of gravity causes the body to weigh many times its act= ual weight. For example, a male human head, without helmet, weighs about 10 pounds. If subjected to 10 'G's', that head briefly weighs about 100 pound= s, passing that stress and load onto the neck. Consider adding a 3 pound helm= et, and you begin to appreciate the forces your neck has to contend with. Going a little further, using a full form human dummy, developers of the H= ead and Neck Support (HANS) device found that the head briefly experiences 25 'G's' and weighs about 250 pounds in a 35 mile-per-hour impact. With those forces in play, the delicate human brain bounces around in side the skull (coup/contrecoup) with a force equal to weighing 75 pounds. A normal brain weighs about 3 pounds. Combined with this is the fact that the rotation of= the head and neck during one of these crashes causes severe tearing and stretc= hing of the tissues of the brain and brain stem. No helmet can prevent this collision of the brain within the skull. It has been suggested that race car drivers exceed speeds of 200 miles-per= - hour and walk away from crashes because they had a helmet on. Again, this = is a half-truth, manipulated statement by pro-helmet forces. the truth is race = cars are no longer built out of strong, resilient materials. Modern technicians have learned that in order to protect the driver, the race car must crush = and disintegrate during a crash. This allows for a more gradual, extended peri= od to distribute the force of the crash and decelerate the 'G's'. With a deformable structure construction, akin to airplane design, the chassis an= d body of the car takes up most of the 'G' forces, according to Rick Amabile= in his book, Inside Indy Car Racing: 1990. Besides the chassis design, the internal cockpit of the cars is better designed also. Direct blows to the driver are minimized through a safety system integrating a seat angled backwards at 45 degrees and a six-point safety harness system. The weak li= nk in this equation, again, is the neck. The neck was listed on 31.5 percent of incident reports in races. The Spor= ts Car Club of America (SCCA) performed some analyses on their races and foun= d 17 percent of the injuries sustained were neck injuries. This led to the development of the HANS device, which supports the head and neck, helping prevent whiplash and rotational injuries. This device was developed by Biomechanical Design Inc., of East Lansing, Michigan. The importance of th= is type of device becomes very evident when one considers that according to o= ne of the nations largest insurers of motorsports events, North American Raci= ng Insurance (NARI), 93 percent of all driver injuries were caused by direct blows or sudden, twisting, deceleration forces applied to the body. The mere fact that a racer is wearing a helmet has little or no impact on = his survivability without the other safety engineering factors in place. With = a complete safety engineered race car, the National Safety Council puts driv= ing one of these units in the same hazard range as swimming and alpine skiing.= In fact, according to their charts, a modern race car driver is at less risk = than a scuba diver or mountain climber, and much less at risk than a parachutis= t or hang glider. The problem with motorcycle design is we don't have the safety cockpit tha= t would afford us the room and time for a disintegrating chassis to take up = the 'G-forces' for us. And we don't have anything padded in front of us to red= uce the loads reaching our neck, such as a break away steering wheel or padded dash panel. To say race car drivers walk away from crashes because they we= ar helmets is absurd. Several Indy car racers recently died of closed skull trauma to the brain, due to the exact twisting and tearing actions we said were caused by acceleration/deceleration, which helmets cannot protect against. Yet we don't hear NHTSA explain or comment about these cases. According to SCCA data, the neck is the most often injured body part (31.5 percent), followed by the back (19.5 percent), and then the head (15.8 percent). Severe centrifugal forces exert tremendous shearing pressures on= the brain. This causes the brain to impact on the inside of the skull, or tear= at the medulla at the brain stem. Developers of the HANS used crash test dumm= ies in their testing procedures and found the head can briefly encounter 25 'G= 's', amounting to about 250 pounds, in a 35 mph impact. Gravitational forces ar= e dependent on speed, and a doubling of speed quadruples the 'G-forces'. To determine the number of 'G-forces' in a collision, the formula is: G's=3D.0333X(M.P.H. X M.P.H.) =97 Distance. In other words, multiply the s= quare of the vehicle's speed, in mph, times .0333 and divide it by the stopping distance in feet. This is for a direct, head on collision, and the formula= is more complex in angular collisions due to the fact that the kinetic energy= is expanded over a longer period of time, resulting in lower 'G-forces'. Collision, collision, collision There are actually three collisions occurring in a crash: 1. Vehicle vs whatever it contacts with 2. body vs whatever it contacts with 3. body tissues and organs vs body tissues and organs Once your vehicle strikes another object, you have suffered a collision. A= t that point your body is slammed into some stationary or moving object, or perhaps ejected and is thrown to the ground. At that point, your internal organs, including the brain, began a collision course of their own. Brain injury can occur without any impact to the head, whether helmeted or not. = If the body comes to a sudden stop, including the head and skull, the brain continues to move and slams into the inner skull wall. Brain tissue and bl= ood vessels can shear in this violent, twisting action. The skull, even withou= t a helmet, can withstand hundreds of 'G's', but the brain cannot. Other inter= nal organs, especially the heart and aorta, are subjected to these tremendous forces, and often rupture or tear. To give a graphic example, a 160 pound = man will strain at his seat belt with a weight of 6,400 pounds at a 40'G' deceleration. Now you might understand why so many people die from rupture= d or torn aortas in crashes. There is basically little connective tissue to anc= hor the heart, since it has to palpitate and move during its rhythmic beating.= 'G-Force' Tolerance: Head vs Neck It is believed that the head can withstand 300 'G-forces', which is higher than other body parts. The deceleration of 'G-forces', movement of the hea= d and duration of the incident all determine the amount of injury the head w= ill sustain. It is common to have skull fracture and no brain injury, and brai= n injury and no skull fracture. Helmets are designed to distribute the force= of the impact over a wide surface in order to reduce the amount of 'G-forces' reaching the brain. The force of inertia in a crash can cause brain injury even without an impact to the head, thus a helmet cannot protect against t= his event. Brain tissue and blood vessels can be torn by inertia when the head rotates, common occurrence amplified with helmet use. The weight of the he= ad and helmet pulling at the neck can be sufficient to fracture the skull. Kn= own as basal skull fracture (hangman's noose analogy), these injuries can ofte= n be fatal. According to NARI, the neck is the most often injured body part in their studies. this might account for the fact that the NHTSA regional spokesman said there are more neck injuries without helmets than with, thus leading = him to his erroneous conclusion that helmets might prevent neck injury. Tests using human cadavers found that the neck can tolerate about 42 foot-pounds= of backward whiplash force before injuries began to occur. The muscles in the rear of the neck are stronger than those in the front, thus a forward rota= ting head will allow the neck to withstand about 140 foot-pounds of force. Of course, these are ideal positions, direct forward or backward movement. In= a real crash, the head is bounced in all sorts of directions, and the neck i= s less tolerant of sideways acceleration/deceleration. In these instances, t= he neck can handle about 33 foot-pounds of force. How strong is the unhelmeted head? The amount of force a head can withstan= d depends on several factors, including the location of the impact, the size= of the object striking the head and the density of the individuals bone tissu= e. The frontal bone (forehead) can withstand on average, 1,000 to 1,600 pound= s of force. The temporo-parietal (sides of head) bones can tolerate around 700 = to 1,900 pounds of force. the back of the skull can handle around 1,440 pound= s of force. The bones of the face and cheek are less tolerant, standing forces = of only 280 to 520 pounds. Remember, the brain cannot withstand the same forces the skull can, and ev= en a helmet cannot prevent dangerous forces from reaching the brain or the brai= n moving within the skull cavity. When we said that the forward rotating head can transmit energy loads to t= he neck, and the neck can tolerate about 140 foot-pounds of force? Well, when= the engineers conducted tests on their HANS safety restraint system, they used= a full human form crash test dummy. With the HANS restraint system in place,= the dummy was held in position during a frontal impact collision, resulting in neck loads under 130 foot-pounds. When tested without the restraint system= in place, the dummy's head rotated forward in the simulated 40 mph test collision, and the neck received loads of nearly 1,000 foot-pounds. The du= mmy was helmeted, and I suggest that if the spokesman for NHTSA really believe= s helmets can prevent neck injury, he climb onto the test sled, put on a hel= met and see how his neck handles 1,000 foot-pounds of pressure. Tony Pan Sanfelipo Last updated: April 1998 =A9 Copyright 1998 BOLT All Rights Reserved. Webmaster: quig From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:03:49 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25278 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 191 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:01:49 -0400 Message-ID: <361CF032.AA4D4ABF@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some Guy on a Bike wrote: > The biggest portion of us are gonna wear a helmet > regardless...Regardless of facts one way or the other I don't necessarily think this is true. If by "us" you mean real motorcycle riders, to whom a 100 mile poker run does not necessarily constitute a long trip, and who's bikes accumulate more than a couple hundred miles a year, then maybe you are correct. Even I admit to running around Summit Point on my bike last summer without a helmet. And having a great time. But I was on private land, and cruising at mostly under 15 mph. I can't imagine anybody wanting to take to our interstate highways at high speeds without a lid on. I think there is an alarmingly large number of bike owners who ride mainly for pose value. Hopping from bar to bar, or cruising up and down boulevards in town, wanting to be helmetless to enhance that "being seen" effect. I also think that this group is probably largely populated by the new-to- motorcycles/inexperienced/no license/no MSF course/type of riders who are MOST likely to have accidents. These folks need to wear helmets, and if being forced to wear helmets bugs them so much that they don't ride, great. I think the credibility of motorcycle groups would be greatly enhanced if they instead concentrated on more important issues facing all of us: - the closing of public roads and parks to motorcycles. - the small segment of our group that think loud pipes are cool. - other weenie safety legislation, like air bags and leg protectors. - The NHTSA, EPA and other gov't groups, that would like to legislate away all two-wheeled transportation. Anyway, more fuel for the fire, I suppose. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:27:59 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26586 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04104 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:28:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199810081728.NAA04104@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:27:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 8 Oct 98, at 12:57, BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > Or, why helmets increase the danger! Can we PLEASE not start this whole debate again? Maybe if we're going to argue, we can at least argue about something NEW!?! Anita PS - I'm giving up and switching to digest mode. If anyone would like a prompt reply from me on something, please email me directly. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:33:57 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26657 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3BMHa18750 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:33:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Everyone is quick to take what NTSHA has to say as gospel. There are other studies that have different findings. I strongly support your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that you return the favor if I chose not to. ST The Effect of Motorcycle Helmet Use on the Probability of Fatality and the Severity of Head And Neck Injuries Jonathan P. Goldstein, Ph.D. Department of Economics Bowdoin College Brunswick, Maine 04011 Highlights of Helmet Effectiveness Study Methodology 1. This study employs standard statistical techniques (regression analysis= ) to isolate the main determinants of death and injury severity resulting from motorcycle accidents. 2. The data analyzed in this study were provided by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, U.S. Department of Transportation and originally collected by Hurt et al. (1981), contract No. DOT HS-5-01160. T= hese data are currently recognized as the most accurate and detailed available = on motorcycle accidents (See pp. 11-12). 3. The effectiveness of helmets and other determinants of death and injury severity are estimated from a causal model. Three variants of one causal m= odel are used to isolate the determinants of: (1) the probability of a fatality= ; (2) the severity of head injuries; and (3) the severity of neck injuries. 4. The use of a causal model distinguishes the research methodology of thi= s study from previous studies. The advantage of this approach lies in the ability to estimate the separate effects of several simultaneous and interrelated causes of motorcycle fatalities and injury severity's (pp. 2-= 4). Previous studies simply divide accident victims into a helmeted group and = non- helmeted group. As a result all differences in fatality rates, injury rate= s and injury severity's between groups are erroneously attributed to helmet use. These comparisons fail to consider other differences between helmet users and non-users which influence the probability of death and the sever= ity of injuries. The most plausible hypothesis is that helmeted riders are mor= e risk-averse and thus: (1) have lower pre-crash and thus crash speeds; and = (2) are less likely to combine alcohol consumption and driving. Such behavior= , rather than helmet use per se, may dramatically reduce the probability of fatality or the severity of an injury. Only a causal model that considers crash speed, helmet use, alcohol use and other pertinent variables can iso= late the separate contribution of each determinant of the severity of injury or probability of death. Causal Model (pp. 4-8) 1. The causal model considers three broad categories of the causes of dea= th and injury severity. These include factors governed by the laws of physic= s, physiological factors. And human factors and operator characteristics. 2. The physical factors considered include: the kinetic energy (potential= for bodily damage) transferred to the motorcycle operator by the impact, compressibility of the impacted object, helmet use, and possible engineeri= ng limitations of helmets (as affected by the impact speed that the helmet is subjected to in the crash). 3. The physiological factors considered include: operator's age, blood alcohol level, drug involvement, and permanent physiological impairment. 4. The human factors and operator characteristics considered include: rid= er on-road experience, whether the operator had taken the correct evasive act= ion for the particular accident situation, driver training, and the operator's past accident and violation histories. 5. Numerous other determinants were also considered. Results (pp. 13-18) 1. Helmets are shown to have no statistically significant effect on the probability of a fatality given that a motorcycle accident has occurred. = This means that based on standard statistical tests we cannot reject the claim = that helmets do not affect the probability that a rider will survive a motorcyc= le accident. 2. The major determinants of fatality are the rider's crash speed (kineti= c energy) and blood alcohol level. 3. For the average rider involved in the average accident, it is found th= at the probability of death increases from 2.1% to 11.3% when the rider's blo= od alcohol level increases from 0.0 to 0.1 (from sober to legally intoxicated= in most states). 4. In the same vein, an increase in the crash speed from 40 to 60 mph increases the probability of death from 7.1% to 36.3% 5. It is found that helmets have a statistically significant effect in reducing head injury severity. We can reject the hypothesis that helmets = have no effect on head injuries in favor of the claim that they reduce head injuries. 6. It is shown that past a critical impact velocity to the helmet (approximately 13 mph), helmet use has a statistically significant effect which increases the severity of neck injuries. Thus we reject the claim t= hat, helmets have no effect on neck injuries in favor of the claim that, past a critical impact speed, they exacerbate neck injuries. 7. As a result of (5) and (6), we establish that a tradeoff between head = and neck injuries confronts a potential helmet user. Past a critical impact s= peed to the helmet (13 mph), which is likely to occur in real life accident situations helmet use reduces the severity of head injuries at the expense= of increasing the severity of neck injuries. 8. Further statistical tests reveal the qualitative nature of this tradeo= ff. It is shown that an individual who wears a helmet and experiences an impac= t velocity to the head greater than 13 mph may avoid either severe or minor = head injuries and incur either severe or minor neck injuries; all permutations = of the tradeoff are equally likely to occur. Policy Implications (pp. 18-20) 1. If a major concern of policy makers is the prevention of fatalities, helmet legislation may not be effective in achieving that objective. 2. If the overall cost to society of motorcycle accidents is the issue, t= hen cost-benefit analyses that adequately consider the tradeoff between head a= nd neck injuries must be conducted before the cost effectiveness of helmets c= an be determined. 3. Until the injury tradeoff issue is more carefully studied, it cannot b= e concluded that mandatory helmet use laws are an effective method to eradic= ate the slaughter and maiming, of individuals involved in motorcycle accidents= . 4. A more effective policy approach would be two pronged, including both policies to prevent accidents and policies that effectively reduce the probability of death and the severity of injuries. 5. Policies to prevent accidents include: (1) the education of the general driving public; (2) the education of a younger and more inexperienced population of motorcyclists on the issues of accident avoidance and the pr= oper use and control of high horsepower machines: (3) stricter enforcement of d= runk driving laws; and (4) implementation of alcohol awareness programs. 6. Policies to reduce death and injury severity include: stricter enforce= ment of speed limits. The alcohol related policies suggested in (5) and mandat= ory driver training and education programs which emphasize the proper executio= n of evasive action. =A9 Copyright Jonathan P. Goldstein Ph.D. 1986. All Rights Reserved From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:34:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26660 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27602 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27680 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id NAA24865; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256697.006A825E ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:31:00 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: type3@XXXXXX, aircldvw@XXXXXX, vintagvw@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.0057BB75.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:40:36 -0400 Subject: Auto Painting in Northern VA (non-m/c related) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello all, I think I asked everyone this question before, but only now am I truly ready to have the fastback painted. Anyway, I have a 73 fastback that I've been working on for the past few weeks...the body is fully prepped and ready for a new coat of paint. Basically I'm looking for a place/someone to do the following: - some sort of chemical wash to remove any oil residue (i.e. from greasy hands, etc.) - sanding to allow the new paint to adhere to whats there now (though I've already done all dent/scratch work, etc.) - application of a primer/sealer - application of 2-3 coats of paint - maybe a clear coat Does anyone have any recommendations for auto painting places in the Northern VA area? I'm not completely against going to a Maaco, but the people I talk to there are completely clueless...I mean, they keep quoting me like ranges like $100 to $900 for a pretty basic job, and that I have to bring it in...I know I have to bring it in, but I wont even bother if they don't give me something more specific. I had a superbeetle painted at a Maaco like 4 years ago for $250 (Maaco's Presidential paint job) so I know that prices haven't gone from $250 to $900 in 4 years. I called Craftsman and they said they don't do complete cars. Anyway, anyone know an auto painter? I'm not against having an individual do it either, provided I don't have to do all the leg work like buying the paint, etc. Many thanks in advance! -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:54:27 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27576 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ3ANBVQ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:54:16 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Message-ID: <19981006.103214.2695.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8,10-24 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:54:16 EDT I read all the way through this and found it interesting enough to save for future reference. However, this study says nothing about the protection a helmet affords to one's FACE in an accident. I have personally witnessed the disintegration of my faceshield during a long face-down slide on pavement after being knocked off my bike on the highway. A portion of the shield was ground away completely just inches from my eyes and I saw the whole thing. When I stopped sliding, I was able to reach into my helmet and remove my glasses without raising the remnants of the shield(!). I shudder to think what my face would have looked like after that same slide if I hadn't been wearing a helmet... On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:26 EDT BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: >This is a bit long but worth the time. >ST > > >UNDERSTANDING HEAD >AND NECK TRAUMA > >Or, why helmets increase the danger! > >by Tony Pan Sanfelipo >(January 1998) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:54:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27586 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27898 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29366 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WZSMa07908 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87329cc9.361cfc3d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:05 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as different as each and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes life would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:02:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28010 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28088 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29825 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WWACa08737 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6290a45e.361cfe0b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:01:47 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/8/98 1:47:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: << Everyone is quick to take what NTSHA has to say as gospel. There are other studies that have different findings. I strongly support your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that you return the favor if I chose not to.>> Ive always supported the fact that some people may not wear a helmet when riding. Personally (and no offense intended to helmetless riders), its Darwin's Law at work. Let me pose a question to the helmetless riders here, what if your family asked you to wear a helmet when riding? Would you say "no, its my right not to?" When you go out riding think about your family having to come and identify your body and trying to tell if its you because 90% of your face has been ground off by road. Again I believe you are free to ride as your choose but I always think about the other people affected by my riding. Ive crashed before and I know I wouldn't have been OK without a helmet. I think most helmetless riders are in that "haven't crashed yet" group. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:13:23 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28559 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:13:12 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 08 Oct 1998 14:13:12 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 08 Oct 1998 14:13:12 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 020D2361D00B8001-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 020D2361D00B8001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <020D2361D00B8001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 08 Oct 1998 14:13:12 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "BkrFamily@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Message-Id: <020D2361D00B8001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> The article is interesting and makes some valid points about helmets causing neck injuries on restrained race car drivers. Now with that said, I can also add it has absolutely no relevance to a unrestrained person on a motorcycle. The physics of the two types of impacts are completely different and not directly comparable. The twisting and shearing of the neck referred to by Mr. Sanfelipo are caused as the body stops as a result of the seatbelts, motorcycles do not have seatbelts. G forces generated in motorcycle crashes are largely due to the body striking a solid object and stopping. The more distance it has to stop the lower the forces. The foam crushes slowing the head more slowly, thus lowering the g-forces. That is why helmets save lives. Don B Engineer US DOT and helmeted motorcycle rider. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:14:25 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28569 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RQAFa02341; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53554e61.361cff08@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:06:00 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 I sat in a hearing looking and listening to a guy with one of those head and neck halos on. You know the thing that screws into your head and rest the frame on your shoulders. Anyhow, he told his story of how he crashed and hit his chin on the ground. He had his helmet to show and the marks where on the chin bar. Well, he ended up breaking several vertebrate in his upper neck. His doctor claimed that the helmet saved his life. Long story short, another doctor claimed that if he didn't have a full face helmet on he would have only broken his jaw. Which would have been less life threatening and faster to heal. Just food for thought, there is no correct answer for every situation. I'm glad your hear to tell your story. ST In a message dated 10/8/98 1:54:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << I read all the way through this and found it interesting enough to save for future reference. However, this study says nothing about the protection a helmet affords to one's FACE in an accident. I have personally witnessed the disintegration of my faceshield during a long face-down slide on pavement after being knocked off my bike on the highway. A portion of the shield was ground away completely just inches from my eyes and I saw the whole thing. When I stopped sliding, I was able to reach into my helmet and remove my glasses without raising the remnants of the shield(!). I shudder to think what my face would have looked like after that same slide if I hadn't been wearing a helmet... >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:16:05 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28610 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3QWGa02302; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:15:25 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 "In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then the came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up" -Pastor Martin Meimoeller Will the safety orange vests and air bags be what push you into action? ST In a message dated 10/8/98 2:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as different as each and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes life would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:17:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28621 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28353 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00770 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ3BXTS6; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:16:56 EDT To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: type3@XXXXXX, aircldvw@XXXXXX, vintagvw@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Auto Painting in Northern VA (non-m/c related) Message-ID: <19981006.105506.2695.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <85256697.0057BB75.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:16:56 EDT The best place I've heard of in NoVa to get paint work done is Matchless on Rt 7 on the border between Reston and Sterling. Out of curiosity, a fastback what? --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:17:42 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28630 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19957; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:45 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:03 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44C0@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:16:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In response to the following: Joe Public, non-motorcylist, thinks helmets save lives and keep their health insurance bills down... They see it as a safety issue, not a choice issue, and you're not gonna change their oppinions on that......So why doesn't ABATE and AMA BACK THIS ISSUE and build credibility with the non-motorcycling community so that we can have a more widespread support on ABATE and AMA are trying to back the issue from a safety issue. In general, they are not anti helmet!!! Both organizations as a whole believe that wearing a helmet is a good thing!!!. The problem with the law is that there are no standards for the restrictions (which helmets are legal, which ones aren't, or what constitutes a proper helmet). As the law stands now I could ride my bike with an old WW1 German infantry helmet (you know the one with the spike coming out of the top) and not be given a ticket for riding w/o a helmet). In essence the law just says "thou shalt wear a helmet" with no qualifiers or restrictions. If the law is able to do this without qualifiers and/or statistics (another issue in itself) there is nothing to stop them from piling on more restrictions without any criteria to base their decision. If Joe Q Public, as a whole, decides that leg braces and air bags would save more lives, because to them (non-motorcyclists) more safety equipment is safer, there will be nothing the motorcycling community can do about it (the helmet law will serve as a precedent). In addition, one of the major problems faced by ABATE and AMA is media coverage. I was at last years rally and they detailed the reasons for why they were protesting the helmet law. But, when I saw the coverage on the evening news, it was slanted w/ editorial and emphasis towards the "let those who ride, decide" motorcyclists that are a part of the cause because they don't want to wear a helmet at all. It made everyone involved look like a moron. Whatever happen to reporting the new and letting the public decide??? Jason From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:18:11 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28640 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA10609 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981008140011.00a4e4f0@pop.cmr.gov> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:14:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Goldstein report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:33 PM 10/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >Everyone is quick to take what NTSHA has to say as gospel. >There are other studies that have different findings. I strongly support >your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that >you return the favor if I chose not to. >ST > uhh... This is an analysis of causes of death in ALL the crashes, not a scientific comparison between survivability with and without a helmet. AND, your previous document wasn't particularly relevant... it gave only vague statistics, and invalidated itself with the "race car" description, as helmets work the same way... they help prevent injury by absorbing the force incurred during an accident... possibly being destroyed in the process. If you're really worried about neck injuries, wear a brace similar to what pro-linebackers wear. Having bounced my head off the pavement and lived to tell about it, I can say for certain that I'm all for making the choice to wear a helmet. I share your distaste for having the Gov't tell me what I can and can't do, but... in this case, using available safety equipment is, to me anyhow, only common sense. Now, if you think that your not wearing a helmet DOESN'T affect the rest of us, consider this... its altogether likely that, if you have insurance, we all have a certain amount of common interest in your general health and well being as you enjoy your scooter. Do you want your insurance rates to go up because I wrecked my bike, wasn't wearing a helmet, and am henseforth lying in a vegetative state? But, whatever. Darwinism been working for millions of years. Why stop now. -- "Nobody knows anybody. Not that well." Gabriel Byrne as Tom Reagan Miller's Crossing -- Joel and Ethan Coen, 1990. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:22:48 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29026 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FXTVa02082; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:11 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Gun control Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sarah Brady, Chairman of Handgun Control Incorporated. To Senator Howard Metzenbaum. The National Educator, January 1994, Pg. 3 The road to hell is taken one step at a time. ST In a message dated 10/8/98 12:29:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << Where in the constitution does it say that as part of my right to bear arms that I have the right to buy them today??? Not one thing unconstitutional about doing a quick background check (which is all that 's required now...the 5 day waiting period has been dropped) >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:27:09 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29113 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ3CGJ7Y; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:26:04 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Message-ID: <19981006.110415.2695.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <53554e61.361cff08@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-45 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:26:04 EDT Right. There is no correct answer for every situation. I say that second doctor could be right, but I (based on the aforementioned personal experience) disagree. And how does he know? All kinds of freaky things happen in accidents... But thanks for the kind word at the end there. --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:06:00 EDT BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: >I sat in a hearing looking and listening to a guy with one of >those head and neck halos on. You know the thing that screws >into your head and rest the frame on your shoulders. Anyhow, >he told his story of how he crashed and hit his chin on the ground. >He had his helmet to show and the marks where on the chin bar. >Well, he ended up breaking several vertebrate in his upper neck. >His doctor claimed that the helmet saved his life. Long story short, >another doctor claimed that if he didn't have a full face helmet on he > >would have only broken his jaw. Which would have been less life >threatening >and faster to heal. Just food for thought, there is no correct answer >for >every situation. I'm glad your hear to tell your story. >ST > > >In a message dated 10/8/98 1:54:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: > ><< I read all the way through this and found it interesting enough to >save > for future reference. However, this study says nothing about the > protection a helmet affords to one's FACE in an accident. I have > personally witnessed the disintegration of my faceshield during a >long > face-down slide on pavement after being knocked off my bike on the > highway. A portion of the shield was ground away completely just >inches > from my eyes and I saw the whole thing. When I stopped sliding, I was > able to reach into my helmet and remove my glasses without raising >the > remnants of the shield(!). > I shudder to think what my face would have looked like after that >same > slide if I hadn't been wearing a helmet... >> > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:28:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29220 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28598 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01459 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA02528 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:27:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pcy231s ([166.41.241.5]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981008182737.LUJX31817@pcy231s> for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:27:37 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Todd Rist" To: Subject: RE: Goldstein report Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:34:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bdf2ea$37c57b40$05f129a6@pcy231s.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <6290a45e.361cfe0b@aol.com> Here, here, let those that want ot ride with out a helmet go ahead. I firmly believe in Darwin's Law, and this is just natures way of removing those individuals from the gene pool. My only stipulation is that when those folks do go down that they don't pull medical support from the public or government. Since they "chose" not to wear a helmet, then I should be able to choose not to have any of my tax dollars go to provide them with any medical attention for head injuries! Thank you, Todd Rist Manager, LS-SM -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [mailto:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Goldstein report In a message dated 10/8/98 1:47:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: << Everyone is quick to take what NTSHA has to say as gospel. There are other studies that have different findings. I strongly support your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that you return the favor if I chose not to.>> Ive always supported the fact that some people may not wear a helmet when riding. Personally (and no offense intended to helmetless riders), its Darwin's Law at work. Let me pose a question to the helmetless riders here, what if your family asked you to wear a helmet when riding? Would you say "no, its my right not to?" When you go out riding think about your family having to come and identify your body and trying to tell if its you because 90% of your face has been ground off by road. Again I believe you are free to ride as your choose but I always think about the other people affected by my riding. Ive crashed before and I know I wouldn't have been OK without a helmet. I think most helmetless riders are in that "haven't crashed yet" group. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:28:53 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29237 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4Q4J1V2Z>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Auto Painting in Northern VA (non-m/c related) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:21:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Unfortunately the guy I used to go to is 50/50 anymore on the quality of work that he does. Sometimes its great or times its not. if you want to give them a call go ahead. Its Lees Auto Body on Huntington Ave right at the intersection of Huntington and Telegraph Rd. As far as Craftsman. Talk to me off-line about how bad their Falls Church location is. You won't believe how bad they are. The manager at the Chantilly location is a nice enough guy and they can actually do some good work. Glenn > I think I asked everyone this question before, but only now am I truly > ready to have the fastback painted. Anyway, I have a 73 fastback that > I've > been working on for the past few weeks...the body is fully prepped and > ready for a new coat of paint. Basically I'm looking for a place/someone > to do the following: > > - some sort of chemical wash to remove any oil residue (i.e. from greasy > hands, etc.) > - sanding to allow the new paint to adhere to whats there now (though I've > already done all dent/scratch work, etc.) > - application of a primer/sealer > - application of 2-3 coats of paint > - maybe a clear coat > > Does anyone have any recommendations for auto painting places in the > Northern VA area? I'm not completely against going to a Maaco, but the > people I talk to there are completely clueless...I mean, they keep quoting > me like ranges like $100 to $900 for a pretty basic job, and that I have > to > bring it in...I know I have to bring it in, but I wont even bother if they > don't give me something more specific. I had a superbeetle painted at a > Maaco like 4 years ago for $250 (Maaco's Presidential paint job) so I know > that prices haven't gone from $250 to $900 in 4 years. I called Craftsman > and they said they don't do complete cars. Anyway, anyone know an auto > painter? I'm not against having an individual do it either, provided I > don't have to do all the leg work like buying the paint, etc. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:30:04 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29301 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:30:02 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3OKJa02328 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13039ff5.361d0437@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 > I strongly support >your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that >you return the favor if I chose not to. I don't think anyone should have to wear a helmet, but I resent it when people try to convince me that helmets don't help, or that helmets make injuries worse! About three years ago I was in a head on collision on my way to work. Luckily for me, the car hit mlower body, and I got to fly over the top of the car and tumble to a stop. This sucked, but it was a lot better than coming to an immediate stop in the windshield of the car. The police estimated that the closing speed was 115 mph (40 for me and 75 for the car, which was on the wrong side of the road). I don't know how fast I was going the first time my head hit the ground. Certainly it was above 13mph, the speed that the Golsctein report says will increase neck injuries. I bet the second time my head hit the ground I was still going more than 13 mph. The third time, maybe not. My expensive helmet was a complete wreck, but I did not lose consciousness, I passed my cat scan with flying colors, and I did not have a neck or spinal cord injury. Does anyone really think I would have been better off without a helmet? I guess the funeral would have been cheaper than the amount I paid to get my leg and foot back in one piece. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:44:00 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00265 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05599; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNSB>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:44:52 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC64C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:44:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain (Sorry Anita and Mark) I'm really glad you brought this one up.... I'll have to go on a serious search, but one of the reports does indeed mention that in chin impacts a very small % of impacts cause serious or fatal neck injuries. However, in that same report of what little crash statistics there are, they reported that direct chin impacts of this sort occurred in less than .45% of reported crashes... I'm sure we could find similar cases where a seatbelt kept a person in the seat and was killed as a result...but those are rare instances. As others have mentioned, your previous post is irrelevant to motorcyclists. I'll be the first to agree with you that a sudden stop (hitting a pole, wall, car) head first is likely to be fatal whether you're wearing a helmet or not. It's all those other crashes where you have a quick impact to the ground then you slide a good long ways. Having ridden for 18 years now, I've hit the ground quite a few times..mostly on the race track, but a couple on the street. Thankfully, each time I had on a good full face helmet. I personally saw the aftermath of a fella that dumped his bike at over 120mph while running from the cops... The poor fella lived...Unfortunately, the left side of his face is completely flat and a featureless scar pit... I love how quickly you're argument has gone from the right to choose (which I find somewhat valid) to the argument that helmets actually harm you (which I laugh at completely) So when did Squeakers come back ?? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX [SMTP:BkrFamily@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:30 PM > To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Facts not emotions > Anyhow, > he told his story of how he crashed and hit his chin on the ground. > He had his helmet to show and the marks where on the chin bar. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:49:53 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00363 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06123; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNSC>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC64D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gun control Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:51:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nice quote... I never said I supported Sarah Brady or her and her husband's overall agenda though. I stated that I agree with the bill that was passed. 5 days for a hothead to cool off, 5 days for the sheriff to verify that you're not a fellon that isn't allowed to purchase a gun, etc., 5 days to determine that you're not a mental patient recently released, etc. I fully believe every sound person (other than previously mentioned types) should be allowed to own a gun.....and I encourage people to take advantage of that right and get a gun and learn to use it safely and properly. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:50:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00452 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28996 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24248 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256697.0067475F ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:48:04 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.0066891A.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone really think I would have been better off without a helmet? Apparently Tony Pan Sanfelipo and Jonathan P. Goldstein, Ph.D. think so. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:54:21 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00761 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA17465; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:53:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981008185336.LNVZ22777@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:53:36 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:52:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bdf2ec$cf4ee620$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: A couple of requests: 1. Will BkrFamily and others that do not sign, please do so? Please identify yourself and not just sign ST. An ST is what I ride, and it appears (to me at least) as if you are hiding something. This goes for everyone who signs this way, please. 2. I don't have a problem with political or religious discussions. The problem with trying to argue topics within these realms though is that there will ALWAYS be at LEAST two sides. And though I believe it is important to GET THE WORD OUT, this forum is not where to do it. It invariably annoys more people than it enamors. So, can we NOT do it? 3. Please don't post to the list whole articles that exceed the limits of some listers modems. What some may find informative and enlightening, others find annoying. I would advise you suggest you HAVE an article to prove some point, and offer it to those who care privately That's all, Todd ST Wrote: > "In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't > speak up because > I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't > speak because > I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I > didn't speak up > because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the > Catholics, and I > didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then the came for me, > and by that > time no one was left to speak up" > -Pastor Martin Meimoeller > > Will the safety orange vests and air bags be what push you into action? > ST > > In a message dated 10/8/98 2:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > NJitzul@XXXXXX > writes: > > << I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as > different as each > and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes > life > would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" >> > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:55:17 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00774 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3PDCa10655; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9dc26b02.361d0a52@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:54:10 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/8/98 2:09:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << Ive always supported the fact that some people may not wear a helmet when riding. Personally (and no offense intended to helmetless riders), its Darwin's Law at work. Let me pose a question to the helmetless riders here, what if your family asked you to wear a helmet when riding? Would you say "no, its my right not to?" When you go out riding think about your family having to come and identify your body and trying to tell if its you because 90% of your face has been ground off by road. Again I believe you are free to ride as your choose but I always think about the other people affected by my riding. Ive crashed before and I know I wouldn't have been OK without a helmet. I think most helmetless riders are in that "haven't crashed yet" group. Jack >> Hi Jack, Since I'm the one stirring the pot here, I should answer you. Thank you for your support and I understand you concerns for the families. However, don't you think that your comments could apply to many activities that people pursue? Both recreational and vocationally. How about the parent who smokes or is over weight? How about the drunk drivers? I'm sure you understand what I mean here. Of course we need to keep the well fair of our families in mind, however, I don't think it's realistic to base all our actions on it. It is up to each of us to determine what is an acceptable risk and then chose to participate or not. Personally, I want my family to remember me as someone who lived life not hid from it. Just for the record, I'm married damn near 19 years, two kids and been riding for about 26 years now (14 of them sober). I have crashed a few times and was always lucky enough to walk away. Interestingly, I was never wearing a helmet during those crashes. I'm sure my riding style has something to do with my crash frequency (cruiser) I give you sport bike riders a big at-a-boy. You got bigger balls then me, those things are ballistic missiles now days. I won't harp on this stuff much longer, the ride is on Sunday. And if you recall, I wasn't even the one who brought it up in the first place. Someone else mentioned the ABATE ride on Sunday and that got it all started. There is a time and place for everything and with the ride on Sunday this seems like the time. I'm living and having fun doing it, I wish all on the list the same. Peace, ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:04:25 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01257 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, "'bike.dealer@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain And, as we're finding out with the tobacco lawsuits, medical and scientific opinions can vary based on who's paying for the research. Now, I don't want to start a tobacco thread here, but that's what has recently come to mind. As a former newspaper reporter, I covered many courtroom proceedings where some sort of accidental death has led to a lawsuit. It never ceased to amaze me how doctors, scientists, whomever the "experts" happened to me could look at the same evidence and come up with totally different conclusions. Of course, the attorneys always made sure the juries knew who was paying those "experts." There are extremes on both sides of every issue; those extremes are what people hear. The real truth is somewhere in-between. That's it; I'm done. > ---------- > From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX[SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:26 PM > To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Facts not emotions > > Right. There is no correct answer for every situation. I say that second > doctor could be right, but I (based on the aforementioned personal > experience) disagree. And how does he know? All kinds of freaky things > happen in accidents... But thanks for the kind word at the end there. > > --Bikes R Us-- > So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) > > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:06:00 EDT BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: > >I sat in a hearing looking and listening to a guy with one of > >those head and neck halos on. You know the thing that screws > >into your head and rest the frame on your shoulders. Anyhow, > >he told his story of how he crashed and hit his chin on the ground. > >He had his helmet to show and the marks where on the chin bar. > >Well, he ended up breaking several vertebrate in his upper neck. > >His doctor claimed that the helmet saved his life. Long story short, > >another doctor claimed that if he didn't have a full face helmet on he > > > >would have only broken his jaw. Which would have been less life > >threatening > >and faster to heal. Just food for thought, there is no correct answer > >for > >every situation. I'm glad your hear to tell your story. > >ST > > > > > >In a message dated 10/8/98 1:54:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: > > > ><< I read all the way through this and found it interesting enough to > >save > > for future reference. However, this study says nothing about the > > protection a helmet affords to one's FACE in an accident. I have > > personally witnessed the disintegration of my faceshield during a > >long > > face-down slide on pavement after being knocked off my bike on the > > highway. A portion of the shield was ground away completely just > >inches > > from my eyes and I saw the whole thing. When I stopped sliding, I was > > able to reach into my helmet and remove my glasses without raising > >the > > remnants of the shield(!). > > I shudder to think what my face would have looked like after that > >same > > slide if I hadn't been wearing a helmet... >> > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:13:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01488 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29382 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03776 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:57 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WEDSa02316 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7738d63c.361d0e91@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Can we please get back to bikes? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Enough with the political junk. Thanks...um K? Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:18:19 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01829 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WZMRa08736; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <324bbd12.361d0f39@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:15:05 EDT To: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/8/98 2:38:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Todd.Rist@XXXXXX writes: << Since they "chose" not to wear a helmet, then I should be able to choose not to have any of my tax dollars go to provide them with any medical attention for head injuries! >> Should we let the fat police lose now? Over weight people die and are a much bigger drain on your tax dollar then riders. Smokers? Drinkers? Basketball players? Did you know they use more medical dollars then we ever will? Pedestrians? Geesss..... The numbers on them is mind boggling! Just more food for thought. ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:18:39 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01839 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <435D3J71>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:17:42 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F67@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Goldstein Report; Gun Control; Facts not Emotions; Yadayadayada p iffle Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:23:18 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Everyone with Microsoft Outlook 98 -- note that if you right click on an open message, you are given the opportunity to prevent "Junk E-Mail" ........ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:19:40 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01849 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FRLFa03785; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:03 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gun control Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/8/98 2:49:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << Nice quote... I never said I supported Sarah Brady or her and her husband's overall agenda though. I stated that I agree with the bill that was passed. 5 days for a hothead to cool off, 5 days for the sheriff to verify that you're not a fellon that isn't allowed to purchase a gun, etc., 5 days to determine that you're not a mental patient recently released, etc. I fully believe every sound person (other than previously mentioned types) should be allowed to own a gun.....and I encourage people to take advantage of that right and get a gun and learn to use it safely and properly. >> No argument here. I'm done. ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:20:22 1998 Return-Path: kslawson@XXXXXX Received: from GKCATL01-ext.kilcody.com ([155.229.115.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01926 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810081920.PAA01926@meretrix.com> Received: from XKCATL03 by GKCATL01-ext.kilcody.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 19:20:17 UT Received: by XKCATL03 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:20:16 -0400 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Parking Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:20:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone posted a message the other day about not being permitted to park at a PMI garage (sorry, I can't seem to find the original = message). I suggest that you go to the management office on DeSales street and speak with someone directly. I received conflicting answers over the phone from PMI employees in response to my questions about obtaining a monthly parking permit for my bike. It wasn't until I actually went to their offices that I was able to purchase a monthly motorcycle-only permit, for which I pay 1/2 the regular monthly rate. One more thing: Congress amended =A7132(f)(4) of the Internal = Revenue Code as part of the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 to allow employers to set up salary reduction arrangements for employee parking. It works like a 401(k) plan---your pay is reduced to cover the amount of your monthly parking fee, which your employer forwards to the parking management company). In other words, it's possible to pay for parking on a pre-tax basis. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:36:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02781 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29746 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04528 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256697.006B833F ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:34:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Todd Peer" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.0068CCFB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:34:14 -0400 Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline others that do not sign, please do so? Please identify yourself Excellent observation Todd. I don't think that's too much to expect from other listers. After all if you believe in something and you take the time to put it in writing, you should be willing to sign your name to it. In my best Mike Ditka voice "It's easy to hide behind a keyboard son." 8-) Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:46:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02972 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29829 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04749 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA13579 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: helmets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd probably take a chance and put in my 2 cents worth about the endless arguing on topics that will never be decided in such a manner but I've been on DC Cycles long enough to realize that there are a lot of folks here who live for just that activity. Helmets are a personal decision like many of the others discussed here. I won't ride without one because I wouldn't be alive if I hadn't been wearing mine a couple of years ago when I totalled my BMW K75. If someone else wants to take that risk with themselves, that's fine. If they want to take that risk with their kids on the back, similarly helmetless, I have a problem. Such situations are what inspire these laws, irritating as they may be. We could do with a little more courtesy and respect for the opinions and beliefs of others here. We're all on two wheels, that's what counts. Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:53:43 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03372 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:53:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3LSWa22760 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:53:00 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Signing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 My name is Joe Spears. Does it really change anything? You guys all have a good day, I truly mean that. Ride Free! ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 16:47:56 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05790 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA15915; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:49:39 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015720; Thu, 8 Oct 98 16:48:41 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0J00BJI0EDO7@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256697.0071D8F8 ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:43:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:36:08 -0400 Subject: Re: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride To: Jason Picton Cc: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <85256697.0071224D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You sure about this? Most ABATErs I meet are *real* quick to throw stat at you about how helmets snap your neck in a get-off. In fact, we have seen it posted here by "some unknown guy who rides a bike and has a family". (Personal note ... please introduce yourself to the list if you wish to be taken seriously) For the record, I support the right to choose to ride w/out a helmet, AND I disagree with helmet laws ... but trying to tell me that a helmet will cause me to die in an accident I would have survived if I had been riding lidless is LUDICROUS. If you take a blow to the noggin that is enough to snap your neck, I believe it would crack a lidless head wide open. --chris To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: Jason Picton Date: 10/08/98 06:16:57 PM GMT Subject: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride --snip-- ABATE and AMA are trying to back the issue from a safety issue. In general, they are not anti helmet!!! Both organizations as a whole believe that wearing a helmet is a good thing!!!. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 16:52:39 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06170 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:52:17 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA16753; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:51:31 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016642; Thu, 8 Oct 98 16:50:47 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0J00D8R0I10M@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256697.00720E08 ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:45:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:38:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256697.0071448D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Um ... I can't believe you are comparing the holocaust to helmet laws. Never mind introducing yourself to the list, you won't be taken seriously after that comment anyway. Do you actually think that line of reasoning would be effective to our legislators? --chris To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Date: 10/08/98 06:15:25 PM GMT Subject: Re: Facts not emotions "In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then the came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up" -Pastor Martin Meimoeller Will the safety orange vests and air bags be what push you into action? ST In a message dated 10/8/98 2:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as different as each and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes life would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:04:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06685 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01106 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07586 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA02062; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:03:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(206.217.114.231) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001939; Thu Oct 8 16:02:54 1998 Message-ID: <361D2820.CF797AFA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:01:20 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was just there last week, had a Polaris, A couple of Guzzis, and a bunch of used bikes, but no Urals...at Winchester Indian . The dealer is at Exit 321 off of Rt 81 just north of Winchester., Also just off Rt.11 Just N of Summit Point rd......... Carver, John wrote: > is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. > I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to > take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:17:26 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07204 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 251 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:16:29 -0400 Message-ID: <361D2BE1.995C5D@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:17:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guess I better forward this to the list before Todd yells at me, too. :) Since we are all coming clean: ST (short for Steel Trap) asked me: > So what's up with your name? Kind of silly actually. I was in Track and Field in high school. A thrower, shot-put and discus. (I was not and never will be a runner.) Lifted weights, got pretty big, strong as an ox, walked onto the football team and started on the O-Line, medalled in the shot-put at the State Track meet my senior year, etc. etc. Big man in school now. About that time, Terry "Hulk" Hogan, the "Incredible Hulkster", ThunderLips from the Rocky III movie, was big in pro wrestling (still is, I guess). Also, about that time, the McKenzie Brothers had a hilarious movie out called "Strange Brew". Any movie about beer is gonna be big in High School. Anyway, one of the classic lines in the movie comes after the brothers take off their clothes in the beer factory for a quick swim in a beer vat. When their clothes come up missing, one of 'em yells "Hey, somebody horked our clothes!" Anyway, with the resemblance to my last name, I was known as the incredible "Horkster" ever since. :) Well, it's better than some of the other nick-names I've had. I'm not going there. Don't ask. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:39:56 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08051 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6WRNa03785; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33148087.361d30e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:38:46 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, leerider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/8/98 11:05:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the >Constitution, so the standard is set. >> What do blow jobs have to do with the Constitution. Now engaging in the transfer of arms to help prosecute wars without Congressional approval is covered by the Constitution but if you are an older President and right-wing you can say you didn't remember and it all goes away and the blame is placed on a Colonel. Are you really this Republican crap? Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:46:47 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08448 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:46:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id XHDMa29185; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e4926d8.361d32a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:46:08 EDT To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/8/98 2:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: << That is why helmets save lives. Don B Engineer US DOT and helmeted motorcycle rider. >> Thanks, I just cannot believe that there are people who actually believe that it is not safer to ride with a helmet. Go figure. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:48:09 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08461 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr52-dialup60.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0F0J003NE36UVR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:43:28 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: Boiade@XXXXXX, BLaSalle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, brad.faas@XXXXXX Message-id: <00ee01bdf31d$d5d74ce0$fc4f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Geez guys and gals, I haven't seen anything come up except for the Harley ride. It sounds interesting, but doesn't seem to be the "pace" that I was looking for. Well, it's Thurs. night and I'll only be able to check my e-mail Fri. after work and Sat. night, when I get back. If nothing else comes up, I guess I can do the Harley ride. Let's see what happens....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:58:05 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08956 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EPYPa19215; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44a50abf.361d3528@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:56:56 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, BLaSalle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, brad.faas@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Ok Jon, Dale (TLS) wanted to ride Sunday too so did Yellow Nighthawk. If nobody will choose a meeting place, how about the Borders in Bowie on 301 just North of the 197/301 junction, I think you are closer to Bowie. We can meet at 9:30 have a cappucino and discuss a route and leave at 10. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:22:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09793 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02047 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10010 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:20:05 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01bdf30a$241943e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000701bdf2da$24754760$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Todd, No longer at Winchester. Guy got pretty po'ed at them for that EPA fiasco (and a few others that slip my mine now). But, he is carrying Velorex sidecars now... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:24:11 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09811 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:21:21 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:23:48 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01bdf30a$51923200$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal So, uhh, who is this guy, and why should I care what he has to say? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > by Tony Pan Sanfelipo > (January 1998) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:27:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09888 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02086 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10090 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:24:34 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Ken Shephard" , "Carver, John" Cc: Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:26:59 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01bdf30a$c399c8e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361D2820.CF797AFA@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal They finally got the Polaris in!? Might be time for a ride this weekend... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Shephard [mailto:shephar1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:01 PM > To: Carver, John > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > Was just there last week, had a Polaris, A couple of Guzzis, and a bunch > of used bikes, but no Urals...at Winchester Indian . The dealer is at > Exit 321 off of Rt 81 just north of Winchester., Also just off Rt.11 Just > N of Summit Point rd......... > > Carver, John wrote: > > > is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. > > I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to > > take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge > > -- > HDKnight > Ride Safe > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood WV > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:28:41 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10041 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:25:58 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:28:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bdf30a$f62e64a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361D2BE1.995C5D@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Hey, Hoser, take off. Great movie (provided there is a partially finished case by your side and a kicked one by the time the movie is over.) Did you know that if you find a mouse in your beer bottle, you can get a free case? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:17 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname > > > Guess I better forward this to the list before Todd yells > at me, too. :) Since we are all coming clean: > > ST (short for Steel Trap) asked me: > > > So what's up with your name? > > Kind of silly actually. I was in Track and Field in high school. > A thrower, shot-put and discus. (I was not and never will be a > runner.) Lifted weights, got pretty big, strong as an ox, walked > onto the football team and started on the O-Line, medalled in the > shot-put at the State Track meet my senior year, etc. etc. Big man > in school now. About that time, Terry "Hulk" Hogan, the > "Incredible Hulkster", ThunderLips from the Rocky III movie, was big in > pro wrestling (still is, I guess). Also, about that time, the McKenzie > Brothers had a hilarious movie out called "Strange Brew". > Any movie about beer is gonna be big in High School. Anyway, one > of the classic lines in the movie comes after the brothers take > off their clothes in the beer factory for a quick swim in a beer vat. > When their clothes come up missing, one of 'em yells "Hey, somebody > horked our clothes!" > > Anyway, with the resemblance to my last name, I was > known as the incredible "Horkster" ever since. :) > > Well, it's better than some of the other nick-names I've had. > I'm not going there. Don't ask. :) > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:38:12 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10371 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA26320; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:38:20 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:37:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44C1@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:37:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I am not PRO helmet or NO helmet orientated. In a perfect world we could all choose whether or not to wear a helmet, but most states have a helmet law and we all have to deal with it in order to ridge legally. My issue with the helmet law is a legal one - if we (I) have to deal with a restrictive law making helmet use mandatory, then lets have it based on something real. If a law is based upon public perception rather than actual data/evidence, then there is nothing to prevent even more restrictive laws. It puts us all (motorcyclists in general) at the mercy of public opinion. If we keep going down this road were all going to wind up with unnecessary rules and regs. Jason Picton 1996 Suzuki Savage LS650 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 4:36 PM To: Jason Picton Cc: 'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride You sure about this? Most ABATErs I meet are *real* quick to throw stat at you about how helmets snap your neck in a get-off. In fact, we have seen it posted here by "some unknown guy who rides a bike and has a family". (Personal note ... please introduce yourself to the list if you wish to be taken seriously) For the record, I support the right to choose to ride w/out a helmet, AND I disagree with helmet laws ... but trying to tell me that a helmet will cause me to die in an accident I would have survived if I had been riding lidless is LUDICROUS. If you take a blow to the noggin that is enough to snap your neck, I believe it would crack a lidless head wide open. --chris To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: Jason Picton Date: 10/08/98 06:16:57 PM GMT Subject: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride --snip-- ABATE and AMA are trying to back the issue from a safety issue. In general, they are not anti helmet!!! Both organizations as a whole believe that wearing a helmet is a good thing!!!. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 19:41:03 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12981 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA17856; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(206.217.114.231) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017822; Thu Oct 8 18:39:53 1998 Message-ID: <361D4CEC.6DE97745@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:38:20 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) References: <004e01bdf30a$c399c8e0$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, they finally got the Polaris Victory in about three weeks ago, Big bike, looks clumsy but was surprisingly well balanced. Not top heavy, although it looks that way to me at first glance, Looking forward to a test ride some day. ;) The bars would have to go, unless I was hanging laundry from my arms but otherwise, not bad at all. George Howell wrote: > They finally got the Polaris in!? > > Might be time for a ride this weekend... > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 22:01:02 1998 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18376 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 9 Oct 1998 02:00:39 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24350 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions In-Reply-To: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > This is a bit long but worth the time.=20 > ST No its not. Its utter BS propaganda. > UNDERSTANDING HEAD > AND NECK TRAUMA >=20 > Or, why helmets increase the danger! Or, "We're peddling something so we're gonna take official sounding language and tell you there is broccoli in your socks and you will believe us" > by Tony Pan Sanfelipo > (January 1998) Editor's note: I have no doubt that Tony would be an excellent fiction writer, as that is what we have here- a beautiful work of fiction. > HEAD AND NECK TRAUMA Part 1. By richard bachman. It was a dark and stormy night.. >=20 >=20 > Trauma is a type of injury which effects the body by external force being > applied in a violent and sudden manner. When dealing with motorcycle > accidents, it's important to understand the types of forces which a rider= is > subjected to, the body parts affected by these forces, and how the body r= eacts > to certain inertia or 'g-forces'.=20 As in G, who wrote this crap? > It has been suggested by NHTSA that helmets might prevent neck injury. Th= is > was prompted by testimony before the Tennessee Transportation Committee w= hen I > stated that helmets could cause cervical spine injury due to their weight= =2E In > order to rebut these remarks, a regional spokesman for NHTSA testified th= at > more people receive neck injury without a helmet than those wearing helme= ts. > Therefore, he concluded, without any foundation or authorities, that helm= ets > might prevent neck injury. This of course is utter nonsense.=20 Ah yes. How foolish of us to think such a simpletonic and moronic thought. Something to absorb the impact your head might experience? Bah .. who's the retard who thought that up? Helmets aren't meant to protect your neck. Theyre meant to protect your head. > First, let's define the different types of trauma.=20 > 1. Penetrating trauma=20 "She said she was 18, officer" > 2. Blunt trauma=20 "You have *WHAT* living down there?" > 3. Acceleration/deceleration trauma=20 "Now you got me all wound up and dont want to do anything? Fine." (This is commonly experienced in married men) =20 > Penetrating trauma is an object entering the body or head due to an objec= t > striking the body, or the body being placed in motion and striking an obj= ect > which then penetrates the body.=20 "Hey babe.. Im feeling frisky tonight.. want to have some wild, kinky pepetrating trauma?" > Blunt trauma occurs when an object strikes the body or head with force ca= using > a compression of body tissues which results in injury.=20 "You mean your mother in law is on the *WAY*? ARRRGH" > Acceleration/deceleration trauma occurs when the body is moving and strik= es > another moving or stationary object. This results in a change of motion f= or > the body, or a complete stop of motion, which causes stretching and teari= ng of > body tissues.=20 "You have a headache, huh?" =20 > When considering the way the FMVSS 218 standard tests helmets, it's clear= that > these tests in no way simulate an actual crash situation. The headform in= the > helmet has no neck or neck sensors and the helmet is stationary with a we= ight > dropped on it (compression) from an elevation.=20 This may actually be a valid point. I would like to see how helmets are tested, and how one gets a "dot approval" or "Snell" approval. Consider this the one redeeming paragraph in a sea of bullshit. Put on your hip waders boys and girls, cuz we're going in after this. =20 > To properly simulate a crash, a full form human crash test dummy should b= e > used (or perhaps the regional spokesman for NHTSA), whereby the dummy is > moving at a certain speed and then comes to an abrupt halt or strikes a > stationary object (acceleration/deceleration). Or just run some punk motorcyclist off the road. That works too. > 'G-Forces' "Gee, how do they GET this shit?"=20 > 'G-forces' are what determines the extent of injury to the head or neck i= n > many motorcycle accidents. When a body is stopped (due to crashing into a > stationary object) or is hurled into space with a three pound helmet flex= ing > the neck, the force of gravity causes the body to weigh many times its ac= tual > weight. For example, a male human head, without helmet, weighs about 10 > pounds. If subjected to 10 'G's', that head briefly weighs about 100 poun= ds, > passing that stress and load onto the neck. Consider adding a 3 pound hel= met, > and you begin to appreciate the forces your neck has to contend with.=20 If I sprain my neck, but save my skull from cracking open, I consider that to be a reasonable trade. Maybe I'm just weird that way but I'd rather lie in bed in pain, than in a casket free from any such earthly worries. =20 > Going a little further, using a full form human dummy, developers of the = Head > and Neck Support (HANS) device found that the head briefly experiences 25 > 'G's' and weighs about 250 pounds in a 35 mile-per-hour impact. With thos= e > forces in play, the delicate human brain bounces around in side the skull > (coup/contrecoup) with a force equal to weighing 75 pounds. A normal brai= n > weighs about 3 pounds. Combined with this is the fact that the rotation o= f the > head and neck during one of these crashes causes severe tearing and stret= ching > of the tissues of the brain and brain stem. No helmet can prevent this > collision of the brain within the skull.=20 In keeping with the naming convention, I am calling this document "BRUNO" - Bullshit, Retarded, Useless, Nogood Orating. Yes, no helmet can stop the brain from colliding with a skull. But it can stop your skull colliding with the bumper of a car, it can stop your skull colliding with a concrete barrier at 30 mph, it can stop your skull colliding with a ditch as you fall backwards into it. Im sorry, but I want to know how many people get in crashes where they die of their brain colliding into their skull, that would have LIVED if they had NOT worn a helmet? I dont believe there's a 1. If you hit your head *THAT* hard, you are seriously fucked. [snip] > half-truth, manipulated statement by pro-helmet forces. the truth is race= cars Fight the nazis! THe pro helmet forces! CURSE THEIR BLACK HEARTS! Fear. I'm a pro helmet force. I' think I'll wear a giant P on my chest, live in a basement, and come out only to infringe on people's personal liberties. [snip] > backwards at 45 degrees and a six-point safety harness system. The weak l= ink > in this equation, again, is the neck.=20 Again, they talk about the neck. This sounds like a paper written to discredit helmets, and have everyone use "HANS" to support their neck. =20 > The neck was listed on 31.5 percent of incident reports in races. Okay, how many of them fatal? > Car Club of America (SCCA) performed some analyses on their races and fou= nd 17 > percent of the injuries sustained were neck injuries. This led to the > development of the HANS device, which supports the head and neck, helping > prevent whiplash and rotational injuries. This device was developed by > Biomechanical Design Inc., of East Lansing, Michigan. The importance of t= his > type of device becomes very evident when one considers that according to = one > of the nations largest insurers of motorsports events, North American Rac= ing > Insurance (NARI), 93 percent of all driver injuries were caused by direct > blows or sudden, twisting, deceleration forces applied to the body.=20 "You're PREGNANT?" *THUD* =20 > The mere fact that a racer is wearing a helmet has little or no impact on= his > survivability without the other safety engineering factors in place. No shit. If the steering wheel goes through your chest and crushes your heart, it wont matter if your head is intact or not. This is quite the acute observation here.. but what else can we expect of BRUNO? [snip]=20 > The problem with motorcycle design is we don't have the safety cockpit th= at > would afford us the room and time for a disintegrating chassis to take up= the > 'G-forces' for us. Us? We? No one this fucking stupid rides a motorcycle. No one who has ever watched an unhelmeted rider die because his skull is shattered has ever thought like this. Tell ya a little story. Buddy of mine, paramedic, relayed it to me. This is also why he quit riding. He was working graveyard shift one night, and they got a call about a motorcyclist down. They went out there, and there was a guy on the road, a pickup truck a few hundred feet down the road. It was hard to tell what happened because there was no impact - other than the guy dropping his bike. They figured out that a hydraulic jack had fallen out of the bed of the pickup, and the rider had plowed into it. He somersaulted over his handlebars, and he did not have his helmet fastened. When they got there, the man was awake and alert. His helmet had rideden up, and he hit the back of his head. He was bleeding, but was conscious and coherent. John put his hand under the back of the guy's head to support it (John =3D the EMT) and his neck. They talked for about a minute, Joh reassured the guy that he would be okay, and then the guy just died. John removed his hand, and found a nice chunk of brain in it. Apparently, the guy had crushed the back of his skull completely, and his brain was more or less hanging out. A helmet would have saved him. I dont give a shit what this piece of crap report says. > And we don't have anything padded in front of us to reduce > the loads reaching our neck, such as a break away steering wheel or padde= d > dash panel. To say race car drivers walk away from crashes because they w= ear > helmets is absurd. Who says this kind of crap? We know they walk away because THEYRE IN A CAR. > Several Indy car racers recently died of closed skull > trauma to the brain, due to the exact twisting and tearing actions we sai= d > were caused by acceleration/deceleration, which helmets cannot protect > against. Yet we don't hear NHTSA explain or comment about these cases.=20 Like I said. If you hit something *that* hard that your brain crashes against your skull and cannot recover, you are seriously screwed to begin with. =20 > According to SCCA data, the neck is the most often injured body part (31.= 5 > percent), followed by the back (19.5 percent), and then the head (15.8 > percent). And I bet that neck injuries account for maybe 20% of fatalities, back maybe 10%, and 70% to the head. So clearly, what do we need to protect? No, I dont have any figures on this. Broken back, neck, skull will all kill you. But I'd feel very confident in saying that the broken skull is the most common. > Severe centrifugal forces exert tremendous shearing pressures on the > brain. This causes the brain to impact on the inside of the skull, or tea= r at > the medulla at the brain stem. Developers of the HANS used crash test dum= mies > in their testing procedures and found the head can briefly encounter 25 '= G's', > amounting to about 250 pounds, in a 35 mph impact. Gravitational forces a= re > dependent on speed, and a doubling of speed quadruples the 'G-forces'.=20 HANS again. Theyre peddling this crap. And we're supposed to take this sales pitch as gospel to not wear helmets? Okkkkay. =20 > To determine the number of 'G-forces' in a collision, the formula is:=20 > G's=3D.0333X(M.P.H. X M.P.H.) =97 Distance. In other words, multiply the = square of > the vehicle's speed, in mph, times .0333 and divide it by the stopping > distance in feet. Notice how they omit the "divide by feet" in the formula. > This is for a direct, head on collision, and the formula is > more complex in angular collisions due to the fact that the kinetic energ= y is > expanded over a longer period of time, resulting in lower 'G-forces'. Ooh. Complex. We're all retards, so its a good thing they didn't give us this "complicated" formula.. Imight have blown a capillary trying to figure it out. =20 > Collision, collision, collision Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. =20 > There are actually three collisions occurring in a crash:=20 > 1. Vehicle vs whatever it contacts with=20 > 2. body vs whatever it contacts with=20 > 3. body tissues and organs vs body tissues and organs=20 4. Reality with this piece of fiction. And amazingly, this part is true as well. He is simply stating the obvious. But it is true. [snip]=20 > forces, and often rupture or tear. To give a graphic example, a 160 pound= man > will strain at his seat belt with a weight of 6,400 pounds at a 40'G' > deceleration. Now you might understand why so many people die from ruptur= ed or > torn aortas in crashes. There is basically little connective tissue to an= chor > the heart, since it has to palpitate and move during its rhythmic beating= =2E=20 >=20 Seat belts suck too. See, they're killers. Its too bad you're like 10 times as likely to die without one.. but.. its all propaganda by the pro-helmet media. =20 > =20 > 'G-Force' Tolerance: Head vs Neck BS-Tolerance: Reading this shit. =20 > It is believed that the head can withstand 300 'G-forces', which is highe= r > than other body parts. The deceleration of 'G-forces', movement of the he= ad > and duration of the incident all determine the amount of injury the head = will > sustain. It is common to have skull fracture and no brain injury, and bra= in > injury and no skull fracture. Helmets are designed to distribute the forc= e of > the impact over a wide surface in order to reduce the amount of 'G-forces= ' > reaching the brain. Really? Thats all theyre supposed to do, huh? What about blunt object trauma into your skull? > The force of inertia in a crash can cause brain injury > even without an impact to the head, thus a helmet cannot protect against = this > event. Okay, apparently this point seems lost to him: Guess what? WHen you plow into a wall at 100 mph, YOU WILL DIE. Hans or no hans. Helmet or no helmet. Car or no car. > Brain tissue and blood vessels can be torn by inertia when the head > rotates, common occurrence amplified with helmet use. The weight of the h= ead > and helmet pulling at the neck can be sufficient to fracture the skull. K= nown > as basal skull fracture (hangman's noose analogy), these injuries can oft= en be > fatal.=20 And if they hadn't been wearing a helmet, they would have been just peachy? =20 > According to NARI, the neck is the most often injured body part in their > studies. this might account for the fact that the NHTSA regional spokesma= n > said there are more neck injuries without helmets than with, thus leading= him > to his erroneous conclusion that helmets might prevent neck injury. Helmets are meant to prevent head injury. Actually, iif I quote from above, "Helmets are designed to spread the impact around the head so that less G-forces reach the brain." Nice waffle. [snip] > How strong is the unhelmeted head? The amount of force a head can withsta= nd > depends on several factors, including the location of the impact, the siz= e of > the object striking the head and the density of the individuals bone tiss= ue. > The frontal bone (forehead) can withstand on average, 1,000 to 1,600 poun= ds of > force. The temporo-parietal (sides of head) bones can tolerate around 700= to > 1,900 pounds of force. the back of the skull can handle around 1,440 poun= ds of > force. The bones of the face and cheek are less tolerant, standing forces= of > only 280 to 520 pounds.=20 [snip]=20 > When we said that the forward rotating head can transmit energy loads to = the > neck, and the neck can tolerate about 140 foot-pounds of force? Well, whe= n the > engineers conducted tests on their HANS safety restraint system, they use= d a > full human form crash test dummy. With the HANS restraint system in place= , the > dummy was held in position during a frontal impact collision, resulting i= n > neck loads under 130 foot-pounds. When tested without the restraint syste= m in > place, the dummy's head rotated forward in the simulated 40 mph test > collision, and the neck received loads of nearly 1,000 foot-pounds. The d= ummy > was helmeted, and I suggest that if the spokesman for NHTSA really believ= es > helmets can prevent neck injury, he climb onto the test sled, put on a he= lmet > and see how his neck handles 1,000 foot-pounds of pressure.=20 > Tony Pan Sanfelipo >=20 HELMETS AREN'T MADE TO PROTECT YOUR NECK THEYRE MEANT TO SAVE YOUR SKULL=20 > Last updated: April 1998 BC? Or are we supposed to believe this was AD? > =A9 Copyright 1998 BOLT All Rights Reserved. > Webmaster: quig Boy, am I glad I dont hold this copyright.=20 Despite this piece of fiction, I will continue to wear my helmet every time I ride for the rest of my life. I have been dumped twice in my motorcycling career, and one time the helmet protected my face (I slid forward on what WOULD have been my face had I not been wearing a full face helmet) and saved me horrible abrasions and scrapes - and the other time, the back of my helmet took some nice scrapes that would have otherwise gone to the back of my skull. Nothing like bleeding from your head after a wreck, let me tell ya. I cant believe anyone actually took the time to write something like this, or that it was posted to our list. Please, dont insult ourr intelligence. Dont post stuff like this. Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 22:08:41 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18743 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 (cust027.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.27]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02708 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: <361D6FEC.55EC4DDC@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:07:40 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <85256697.0045BD55.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree. They tried to accuse both George Bush and Nancy Reagan of marital infidelity, very few believed it. I would also note that neither Barbara Bush nor Ronald Reagan were even the subject of rumors about that. For that matter neither were Bob and Elizabeth Dole the subject of such accusations. Dan Quayle was also questioned about this, but his passion is for golf. Face it, our President is totally without honor. In public he will say and do whatever he thinks is best for his career. In private he will say and do whatever he damn well pleases. His private words/deeds have no corelation whatsoever with his public words/deeds. Leon. Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >...if Barbara Bush > ran for president they'd probably say she worked in a brothel :-O sad > state of affairs, eh? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 22:30:56 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19612 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 (cust027.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.27]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03279 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:31:24 -0400 Message-ID: <361D752E.D875C947@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:30:06 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199810081728.NAA04104@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But I like this argument, and I still don't understand why some folks want to make me do things that don't affect them. Leon. Anita Lauro wrote: > > Maybe if we're going to argue, we can at least argue about > something NEW!?! From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 00:18:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23904 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06699 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17344 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WSMIa17800; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93ee266f.361d8e68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:17:44 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Grow up.... was Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 The arguments about helmet laws are like "closing the barn door after the horses run out." It's a done deal. The voting public will never repeal them. It's that simple. If you feel that much against them, move somewhere else where there aren't any helmet laws. Otherwise live with it, the emphasis being on LIVING. Another topic that's been beaten like a dead horse. Harleys versus everythig else/ my bike is better. Who cares? Like I've been saying, we all have different preferences. I like Hondas, someone else might like Harleys, or BMWs, or Ducatis, are whatever else! Heck, if someone builds their own bike from scratch, I'm not gonna insult them because it isn't the same bike that I ride!! And frankly, I don't want to ride the same bike as everyone else! I like variety. I like to be able to stop and look at all the different bikes on a group ride. I like to compare engineering concepts and traditions of manufacturing, etc. But most of all, I like to ride. And when it comes down to it, that's why I have a motorcycle. Some people may have their bikes for show, others for convenience, others still for efficiency or whatever else. The fact is that it's a bike, and they do ride. As soon as we agree to disagree and start acting like a community rather than individual groups, then motorcyclists can have a voice that the public will hear and respect. But as long as we try to shove ideas down each other's throats, we'll never get anywhere. I respect your thoughts. I only ask that you respect mine. Ride on, ride safe, but most important of all... ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 00:30:44 1998 Return-Path: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24382 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s25.wizard.net [206.161.15.55]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00716 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:29:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981009002958.00a2f980@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:29:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) In-Reply-To: <361D4CEC.6DE97745@ix.netcom.com> References: <004e01bdf30a$c399c8e0$6e0000c0@demon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Who is going to be the Excelsior-Henderson dealer around here? Tom 1980 CX500D At 07:38 PM 10/8/98 -0400, Ken Shephard wrote: >Yep, they finally got the Polaris Victory in about three weeks ago, Big bike, >looks clumsy but was surprisingly well balanced. Not top heavy, although it >looks that way to me at first glance, Looking forward to a test ride some day. >;) The bars would have to go, unless I was hanging laundry from my arms but >otherwise, not bad at all. > >George Howell wrote: > >> They finally got the Polaris in!? >> >> Might be time for a ride this weekend... >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> -George Howell >> ghowell@XXXXXX >> georgehowell@XXXXXX >> > >-- > HDKnight > Ride Safe > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood WV > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 01:23:05 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA26409 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:20:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdf344$d46bc440$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19981009002958.00a2f980@mail.wizard.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You've got a lot of faith. While I'd like to see them, I'm not holding my breath for them to last more than a few years more. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Who is going to be the Excelsior-Henderson dealer around here? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 02:51:42 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA00697 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA07437; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:48:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:46:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: help with a seat cover To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5a856ba2.361c94ba@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/8/98 4:43:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > << Yup.Dyna's for riding,Fat Boy's for posing.B >> > Hmmmmm, I see that even within a style concious group there are fine > distinctions. Do Fat Boy riders wave at Dyna riders?:-))) Sure.We just don't wave at Sportster riders. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 03:00:39 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA01100 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA07469; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:57:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:48:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Gil's Bikes... was RE: help with a seat cover To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > I gotta hand it to you Gil, you have the most diverse taste in motorcycles I > think I've seen. You should send a list of the bikes you've had. The ones > I know about are: V30 Magna, CBR900RR, Buell (don't know which one, they all > look the same), HD Dyna. Which ones am I missing? In order: '85 XL200 '82 FT500 Ascot '84 V30 Magna '86 500 Interceptor '84 700 Nighthawk S '86 VFR750 Interceptor '93 CBR900RR '95 Buell S2 Thunderbolt '96 Buell S1 Lightning '98 Fat Boy '98 Dyna Covertable I also had a '95 R1100RS for a couple weeks as a loaner while the S2 was in the shop.I miss every one of the Hondas,I'm in therapy from the Buells. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 03:25:34 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02067 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA07598; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:21:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:18:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: help with a seat cover To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361CBF3D.996AD461@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Cool! You confirmed some of my suspicions about the Dyna Convertible. > If I ever get rich and eccentric enough (I guess I've got the eccentric > part down pat), that'll be the Harley I buy. Hey now,nothing wrong with Hogs(tm).Most of the crap you hear about them is from people who've never even sat on one.In the real world,where you ride at under 100mph,turn corners w/out dragging pegs,and do your own maintenance,Harleys do just fine. > Are you gonna get that frame brace thingy that we all talked about > here a few weeks ago? Cure the Dyna's flex problems? Carlini(sp?) Torque Arm.Got one on order.I had to do some searching cause they're getting rare.Harley bought the rights to make their own version called the Race Brace.Doesn't look as strong as the original. I'm also going to add a SE fork brace(the old Magnas had those too). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 03:32:04 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02475 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA07634; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:28:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:23:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004e01bdf30a$c399c8e0$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > They finally got the Polaris in!? > Might be time for a ride this weekend... I got to see one at a dealer in PA.I had mixed feeings about it. Brakes/suspension are definitely up on most cruisers.But they need cosmetic help.The paint's not as nice as HD's,the floorboards and foot controls look tacky,and the speedo/readout is in a bad place. I'm interesting in seeing what the reliablility is like for the first year models. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 03:35:21 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02565 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA07656; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:31:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:28:54 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004f01bdf30a$f62e64a0$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > Great movie (provided there is a partially finished case by your side and a > kicked one by the time the movie is over.) It's a classic.Right in there with Army of Darkness,Repo Man,and Quest for the Holy Grail. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 06:17:01 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09195 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FNJa002341; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <546b4cb8.361de249@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:15:37 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: help with a seat cover Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 2:56:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Sure.We just don't wave at Sportster riders. ;-) >> I knew it. :-))) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:09:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13604 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11366 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22697 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACFA58B01DE; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:09:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009080310.00fbe800@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:07:44 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:58 AM 10/8/98 , Carver, John wrote: >Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ >They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to >learn that they only have >35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available >down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there >is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. Technically in Clearbrook, VA. 2 exits (I think) north on I-81 from Winchester. Last I heard, they were dropping the Ural line due to reliability and maintainability problems. A Ural sidecar rider in my sidecar class had to downgrade the rig from daily driver to recreational vehicle - a couple times he couldn't even ride it back from the dealer before something else would break. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:10:18 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13612 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: tgimer@XXXXXX, leerider@XXXXXX, "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I guess we shouldn't bring up Vietnam then, should we? > ---------- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX[SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:38 PM > To: tgimer@XXXXXX; leerider@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride > > In a message dated 10/8/98 11:05:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tgimer@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the > >Constitution, so the standard is set. >> > > What do blow jobs have to do with the Constitution. Now engaging in the > transfer of arms to help prosecute wars without Congressional approval is > covered by the Constitution but if you are an older President and > right-wing > you can say you didn't remember and it all goes away and the blame is > placed > on a Colonel. > > Are you really this Republican crap? > > Ciao, > > fred > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:09:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13605 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11365 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22699 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACFB58B01DE; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:09:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009080855.00fb0520@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:14:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 10/8/98 , JOE NAGY wrote: >A friend of mine bought one of the first Dnepr sidecar rigs 'bout 15 >years ago (predesessor to URAL). Essentially it's a crude rooskie copy >of a WWII BMW, which they had plenty of when Old Man Winter kicked the >nazis off the eastern front. When the Russians retreated out of Germany after WWII, they took a BMW factory with them. The tooling was used to build the Dnepr, which later begat the Ural. The tooling was then sold to the Chinese who have used it to make the Chang Jiang sidecar rig. >They are cool in a sidecar kinda way. His was the "military" model with >the driven sidecar wheel (it had a differential like a car). When he >drove (yes you drive) it solo, he had to keep a bag of cement in the >car. Most unloaded sidecars require ballast - I carry 50 lb. in mine. It's easy during a right turn to generate enough lifting force to lift the sidecar wheel off the ground. This is great fun if you're expecting it and terrifying if you're not. Lots of body english (leaning in the seat) and using the front brake and throttle simultaneously help keep the rig on the ground. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:11:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13643 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11383 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22745 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:10:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:10:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oops. Signed, Lt Mitch Holmes U.S. Navy > ---------- > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:09 AM > To: tgimer@XXXXXX; leerider@XXXXXX; 'Boiade@XXXXXX' > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride > > I guess we shouldn't bring up Vietnam then, should we? > > ---------- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX[SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:38 PM > To: tgimer@XXXXXX; leerider@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride > > In a message dated 10/8/98 11:05:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tgimer@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the > >Constitution, so the standard is set. >> > > What do blow jobs have to do with the Constitution. Now engaging in the > transfer of arms to help prosecute wars without Congressional approval is > covered by the Constitution but if you are an older President and > right-wing > you can say you didn't remember and it all goes away and the blame is > placed > on a Colonel. > > Are you really this Republican crap? > > Ciao, > > fred > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:26:30 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14318 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0EF64801CC; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:26:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009082148.00fa8520@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:31:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions In-Reply-To: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:57 PM 10/8/98 , BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: >UNDERSTANDING HEAD >AND NECK TRAUMA > >Or, why helmets increase the danger! > >by Tony Pan Sanfelipo >(January 1998) So who is Sanfelipo? Is he a research scientist? Is he a trauma surgeon skilled in statistical analysis? Is he a trained accident investigator and analyst? Looks like he's yet another person who thinks his version of "common sense" proves everyone else is wrong. I've reviewed many scientific studies of helmeted and unhelmeted motorcyclist wrecks - and all the studies agree on two things -- 1. Helmets do not increase the likelihood or severity of neck injury. 2. Helmets prevent or reduce head injury. The fact that anti-helmet people still promote this "helmets kill" nonsense causes them to be the laughingstocks of citizens, other riders, and legislatures. The fact that organizations like ABATE and MRF continue to promote the idea that helmets kill causes them to be the laughingstocks of citizens, other riders, and legislatures - and it hurts their membership drives. Note that on this very list one person said he'd wouldn't join AMA or ABATE because of their views on helmet laws (let alone their views on helmets killing). Use freedom of choice, but don't pretend helmets kill. The evidence shows that they don't. Stick to verifiable facts, not opinions. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:26:29 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14316 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0ED64801CC; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:26:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009081521.00fb4530@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:20:37 -0400 To: "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride In-Reply-To: <000b01bdf2ce$28bb7300$d17f61ce@gimerhome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>As far as constitutionality, that's irrelevant these days. Even the >>legislators who respect the Constitution can be overridden by activist >>judges. Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the >>Constitution, so the standard is set. > >I have to disagree with you here. Judges die....the Constitution won't. >Anyway, I'm writing the note from an unbiased perspective....whatever I find >in my analysis of the Constitution's application to these proposed laws is >what will end up in my paper. Don't blame only "activist judges", sometimes they're the only ones to actually do something concrete, as opposed to Congress who lack willpower and replace it with political whimsey. Good example: Congress passed the Communications Decency Act, which forbade lewd postings on the Internet. The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional based on free speech (do you think the Rehnquist Court are "activist judges"?). Then Congress published the Starr report on the Internet - an action that would have been illegal if Congress had their way with laws. Congress is now writing more legislation to impose some sort of publishing limits on the Internet. Guess what, their actions in publishing the Starr report would again be illegal if they pass their latest legislation. fact is stranger than fiction, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:12:52 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16172 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABCC6DE0766; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:12:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009085732.00fbbde0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:58:26 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname In-Reply-To: <361D2BE1.995C5D@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds like a suspicious story to me. So, Dale ... what did YOU wear, if anything, after your clothes were horked? :-) Chris Norloff At 05:17 PM 10/8/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Guess I better forward this to the list before Todd yells >at me, too. :) Since we are all coming clean: > >ST (short for Steel Trap) asked me: > >> So what's up with your name? > >Kind of silly actually. I was in Track and Field in high school. >A thrower, shot-put and discus. (I was not and never will be a >runner.) Lifted weights, got pretty big, strong as an ox, walked >onto the football team and started on the O-Line, medalled in the >shot-put at the State Track meet my senior year, etc. etc. Big man >in school now. About that time, Terry "Hulk" Hogan, the >"Incredible Hulkster", ThunderLips from the Rocky III movie, was big in >pro wrestling (still is, I guess). Also, about that time, the McKenzie >Brothers had a hilarious movie out called "Strange Brew". >Any movie about beer is gonna be big in High School. Anyway, one >of the classic lines in the movie comes after the brothers take >off their clothes in the beer factory for a quick swim in a beer vat. >When their clothes come up missing, one of 'em yells "Hey, somebody >horked our clothes!" > >Anyway, with the resemblance to my last name, I was >known as the incredible "Horkster" ever since. :) > >Well, it's better than some of the other nick-names I've had. >I'm not going there. Don't ask. :) > >Horkster > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here >Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:12:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16176 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12086 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23842 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABCA6DE0766; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:12:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009083204.00fb79c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:34:33 -0400 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions In-Reply-To: <87329cc9.361cfc3d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:54 PM 10/8/98 , NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as different as each >and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes life >would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. >Robert VanSlyke The choice to wear or not wear a helmet is a personal one. The conclusion that helmets hurt people is a personal opinion not based on scientific evidence, and is easily refuted. Whether helmets work or not is one consideration. Whether helmets should be required or not is another consideration. Just keep those two items separate. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:12:52 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16171 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABCB6DE0766; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:12:43 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009085534.00fb9db0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:55:51 -0400 To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Parking In-Reply-To: <199810081920.PAA01926@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nicely done! And thanks for passing it on. Chris Norloff At 03:20 PM 10/8/98 , Slawson, Kurt wrote: > Someone posted a message the other day about not being permitted to >park at a PMI garage (sorry, I can't seem to find the original message). >I suggest that you go to the management office on DeSales street and >speak with someone directly. I received conflicting answers over the >phone from PMI employees in response to my questions about obtaining a >monthly parking permit for my bike. It wasn't until I actually went to >their offices that I was able to purchase a monthly motorcycle-only >permit, for which I pay 1/2 the regular monthly rate. > > One more thing: Congress amended =A7132(f)(4) of the Internal Revenue >Code as part of the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 to allow employers to >set up salary reduction arrangements for employee parking. It works >like a 401(k) plan---your pay is reduced to cover the amount of your >monthly parking fee, which your employer forwards to the parking >management company). In other words, it's possible to pay for parking >on a pre-tax basis. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:19:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16248 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12178 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24025 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Oct 9 08:19 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA29137 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:19:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDF365.E6B28EB0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'George Howell'" Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. John Carver '98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:40:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17111 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12458 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24687 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:33 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA22181; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:42:20 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021954; Fri, 9 Oct 98 09:41:44 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0K00I5CBB4SC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256698.004AC76E ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:36:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:38:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) To: "Carver, John" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <85256698.004ACFB7.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL They are pointy looking sidecars ... should look great hanging off of your VFR. :-) --chris To: 'Todd Peer' , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , 'George Howell' cc: From: "Carver, John" Date: 10/09/98 01:19:21 PM GMT Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) <> What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. John Carver '98 VFR GO RIDE!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:51:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17574 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12598 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25003 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4EE12F023C; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:51:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009095500.00fac5e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:56:14 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:19 AM 10/9/98 , Carver, John wrote: ><> > >What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. Not sure about a Velorex site, but here's all my sidecar links, for your viewing pleasure. :-) Chris Norloff http://205.177.218.214/ 3wheels http://www.dropbears.com/bikes/smw/Models/Chinese/ChangJia.htm Chang Jiang R71 Replica http://www.chinamotorcycle.com/newpage3.htm Chiang Jiang http://www.igs.net/~avery/motorcyc/beepr/beepr.htm Dnepr/BMW Conversion http://connexus.apana.org.au/~pholt/flexit.htm Flexit http://www.inb.net/hannigan/ Hannigan Sidecars and Trailers http://www.ural.com/ Ural http://www.libertysidecars.com/ LIBERTY SIDECARS http://motorvation.com/ Motorvation Motorcycle Sidecars & Trailers http://www.tourtrikes.com/ North American Touring Trike Cente "http://www.axion.net/pegasusidecar/home.htm Pegasus Sidecar Manufacturing http://www.izhmash.ru/izhmash.html Production Amalgamation IZHMASH http://home.earthlink.net/~greyhawk2/ redbaron http://www.sidestrider.com/ Side Strider Sidecars http://www.klippan.se/sidecar/start1.html Sidecar (Klippan, Sweden) http://home.earthlink.net/~sidecarmike/ Sidecar Mike's House of Fun http://www.faxtfood.com/motorcycles/Sidecars/manual.html Sidecar Operation Manual http://www.skully.demon.nl/ The Goldwing Sidecar Homepage http://mcnet.marietta.edu/~vessv/warkshop/ The Wark Shop http://www.ncentral.com/~oliver/tomco.htm Tomco Conversions - Sidecar Operated Motorcycle http://www.ural.com/ Ural Sidecar Motorcycles http://www.amjawa.com/ Welcome to American Jawa http://www.sidecar.com/ WWW.SIDECAR.COM From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:54:30 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17855 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 252; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:48:58 -0400 Message-ID: <361E1480.3308C574@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:49:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname References: <4.1.19981009085732.00fbbde0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SHHH! :) Chris Norloff wrote: > > Sounds like a suspicious story to me. So, Dale ... what did YOU wear, if > anything, after your clothes were horked? Horkster From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:00:09 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17999 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:58:33 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:56:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:58:37 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Speakin' o' facts . . . anyone got the facts that debunk the bullshit "public burden theory" that "they" will eventually use to ban bikes alltogether? Theory is, we deadbeat bikers don't give a damn about our safety, after all, we ride these death machines, and when we toss these inherently unstable vehicles into the ditch, we lay up in the hospital at public expense because we are after all, deadbeat scumbags who don't bother to carry health insurance. Of course, EVERY car driver carries this insurance. And they never get head injuries either. I know there was a study done, it was probably printed up in the AMA mag, but I can't find the dang thing. Joe Scumbag Harley-riding biker trash, maniac crotch-rocket pilot, licensed road-racer, etc. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:04:48 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18291 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ5FV5N7; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:04:23 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname Message-ID: <19981009.003133.5175.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <361D2BE1.995C5D@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:04:23 EDT Like I said when I came on to this list, I can't say where I work simply because my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. However, I'm not trying to hide behind my screen name. My first name is JohnDavid (no wisecracks needed, my best guess is that my folks couldn't agree on what to call me). JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:08:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18386 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12765 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25370 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA16241 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:20:23 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F1@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: The Saga Ends (long) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:10:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I am finally coming out of double secretive lurk mode to give you all a final update of my bike. As some of you know I had an accident about 3 months ago. Nothing really serious, just cosmetic damage. Well I have decide I will NEVER crash again, merely because of the fact that it was such a pain in the ass to get this thing fixed, and because it is dangerous. The problems started with my insurance company. They are supposed to have adjusters that can come out to your house, but unfortunately they "don't have anyone that knows motorcycles." I went round and round with Allstate, who in the past has been excellent in situations like this, for about two weeks and finally found out the only way to get an estimate was to take it to a shop. I thought I would be very smart in taking the bike to Coleman Powersport. They would do the estimate, charge their outrageous prices, I could order the parts myself and make some money off of the deal. I though it only fair, since I went through a near death situation crashing the bike, I should get something in return. I talked to a guy at Coleman who said it would only take a few days to do the estimate. After calling almost every day for two weeks I finally get the estimate over the phone but with out the labor included yet. The conversation goes something like this: ME: I calling about the estimate on my bike COLEMAN: Um....you're the guy who wanted his bike totaled right? ME: No! I didn't think the damage was that bad. COLEMAN: Oh yeah...right...well I think it might be totaled They came back with an estimate of $5,800 just for parts! Mind you the damage was all cosmetic, it had been running perfectly. I understand that they just went ahead and replaced everything that had the smallest scratch on it, but what really pissed me off is that when I went in to pick up the estimate the next day no one would go over it with me! I was there in the middle of the day on a Tuesday and I was the only person in the service department. I asked the guy if it was Coleman's policy not to discuss repair estimates with their customers and he mumbled something about being busy. So I demanded the keys back and took the bike home with the partially completed estimate. I called the insurance company and they said that with $5,800 estimate they would total the bike. So I took it over to Crossroad Cycles for a second opinion. They were great. We went over the entire bike and picked out the things that could be repaired and what actually had to be replaced. They came in with an estimate for $2,400! So to finish up a long story I got the money from the insurance company ordered the parts from Riverside Honda in NY (thanks to Glenn) and had all the parts painted yellow. I went to the same place Linda Tanner got her's painted (thanks Linda). I have to say that I am not overjoyed with the job they did. There are some spots that the coverage is very light and eventhough they did the final finishing work, I still had to go back a finish some details. I got what I paid for though, $200 dollars is not bad, and overall the bike looks good. So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung like the Beetles) Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:08:53 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18396 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8F0FAB022E; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:08:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009101118.01067770@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:13:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:58 AM 10/9/98 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Speakin' o' facts . . . >anyone got the facts that debunk the bullshit "public burden theory" >that "they" will eventually use to ban bikes alltogether? The only place I recall seeing anything about that was in the AMA magazine, and I thought it was lacking in rigor. >Of course, EVERY car driver carries this insurance. And they never get >head injuries either. Car drivers/passengers have more head injuries than motorcyclists do (though we have a higher rate of injury per accident ... the larger number of cars skews the total outcome in that direction. But it's useful for pointing out that if legislators actually wanted to stop head injury ...). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:18:13 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18811 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:18:11 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3XXUa22760 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b20160e.361e1af0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:17:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Car drivers/passengers have more head injuries than motorcyclists do The only time I contributed to statistics, I was one out of four people who went to the hospital in an ambulance. I was the only one without a head injury. The other four people were riding in cars and wearing seatbelts. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:24:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18901 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12947 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25795 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACA73470246; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:24:39 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009102659.0106ab00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:28:19 -0400 To: "'DC-Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: The Saga Ends (long) In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F1@GROVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 10/9/98 , Westbrook, Richard wrote: >So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung like >the Beetles) I want to get a picture when "We all ride on a yel-low VFR, a yel-low VFR, a yel-low VFR ..." Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:36:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19668 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13057 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26091 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WLOOa22057 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14f16609.361e1f51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -car vs bike Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 I read somewhere awhile back when I started riding (think it was an old Cycle World) that did a study on bike crashes vs car crashes. I dont remember all the details but the final verdict has always stuck with me. While a biker may get heavier external wounds (ie road rash) during an accident, he/she is usually thrown clear of the bike and the dangers around. In many car accidents, drivers and passengers receive injuries solely from the devices used to restrain and protect them in an accident. Seat belts causing broken collar bones, air bags causing facial abrasions and in some instances, broken or cracked ribs. Personally Id rather get a torn up knee and a shredded coat than a cracked rib from an airbag or seat belt. The only instances where bikers were wholly injured more was in accidents in speeds exceeding 60MPH. Thats it. Most bikers walk away from accidents at speeds lower than that. At least I know I have. Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:40:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19681 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13105 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26200 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:38:03 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Carver, John" , "'Todd Peer'" , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdf392$bdf0eda0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ That's for Winchester Indian. Velorex is a rather inexpensive hack imported by American Jawa. Czech manufacturer, I think. Quality is okay, they are a bit light. But, they are cheap. Only $1400. Nowhere near as many doodads as a Hannigan. But I can't see spending $3500 for a hack to put on a $1000 bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'George Howell' > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > <> > > > What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. > > John Carver > '98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:50:44 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20253 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:37:58 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdf392$bd1e5b60$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19981009081521.00fb4530@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Frankly, I wouldn't worry a whole lot about this. Virtual domain hosting is no big deal, and there will be a HUGE business in overseas domain hosting if this comes to pass. I doubt Congress is savvy enough at this point to create a law to dodge this possibility (and it's almost certainly not legal for them to do) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Congress is now writing more legislation to impose some sort of publishing > limits on the Internet. Guess what, their actions in publishing the Starr > report would again be illegal if they pass their latest legislation. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:51:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20280 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13246 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26436 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:53:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:52:39 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, RWestbrook@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Saga Ends (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have Allstate too and they were great after my accident. The bike was = still declared totaled and I wound up buying Jay Thompson's 93 FZR600. I = had it taken to Springfield Cyclesport and they gave me a $3500 estimate. = Allstate picked up the bike and took it to their inspection station for an = estimate. One week later, the bike is declared totaled and my loan paid = off. Can't complain. The next DC-Cycles ride is Saturday, I think. = Anita is heading it up. Scooter >>> "Westbrook, Richard" 10/09/98 10:10AM >>> I am finally coming out of double secretive lurk mode to give you all a final update of my bike. As some of you know I had an accident about 3 months ago. Nothing really serious, just cosmetic damage. Well I have = decide I will NEVER crash again, merely because of the fact that it was such a = pain in the ass to get this thing fixed, and because it is dangerous. The problems started with my insurance company. They are supposed to have adjusters that can come out to your house, but unfortunately they "don't have anyone that knows motorcycles." I went round and round with Allstate, who in the past has been excellent in situations like this, for about two weeks and finally found out the only way to get an estimate was to take it to a shop.=20 I thought I would be very smart in taking the bike to Coleman Powersport. They would do the estimate, charge their outrageous prices, I could order the parts myself and make some money off of the deal. I though it only = fair, since I went through a near death situation crashing the bike, I should = get something in return. I talked to a guy at Coleman who said it would only take a few days to do the estimate. After calling almost every day for two weeks I finally get the estimate over the phone but with out the labor included yet. The conversation goes something like this: ME: I calling about the estimate on my bike COLEMAN: Um....you're the guy who wanted his bike totaled right? ME: No! I didn't think the damage was that bad. COLEMAN: Oh yeah...right...well I think it might be totaled They came back with an estimate of $5,800 just for parts! Mind you the damage was all cosmetic, it had been running perfectly. I understand that they just went ahead and replaced everything that had the smallest scratch on it, but what really pissed me off is that when I went in to pick up the estimate the next day no one would go over it with me! I was there in the middle of the day on a Tuesday and I was the only person in the service department. I asked the guy if it was Coleman's policy not to discuss = repair estimates with their customers and he mumbled something about being busy. = So I demanded the keys back and took the bike home with the partially = completed estimate.=20 I called the insurance company and they said that with $5,800 estimate = they would total the bike. So I took it over to Crossroad Cycles for a second opinion. They were great. We went over the entire bike and picked out the things that could be repaired and what actually had to be replaced. They came in with an estimate for $2,400! So to finish up a long story I got the money from the insurance company ordered the parts from Riverside Honda in NY (thanks to Glenn) and had all the parts painted yellow. I went to the same place Linda Tanner got her's painted (thanks Linda). I have to say that I am not overjoyed with the job they did. There are some spots that the coverage is very light and eventhough they did the final finishing work, I still had to go back a finish some details. I got what I paid for though, $200 dollars is not = bad, and overall the bike looks good. So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung = like the Beetles) Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:56:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20377 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13307 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall-r.insuremarket.com (known mailhost.ifscorp.com [205.130.198.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26566 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by firewall-r.insuremarket.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id KAA16290; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:55:44 -0400 Received: from oman.insuremarket.com(172.23.2.69) by firewall-r.insuremarket.com via smap (3.1) id xma016260; Fri, 9 Oct 98 10:55:33 -0400 Received: from ifscorp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oman.insuremarket.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA05418; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:51:41 -0400 Sender: tad@XXXXXX Message-ID: <361E22FC.6E1079AA@ifscorp.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:51:41 -0400 From: Thomas De Boeser Organization: Interactive Insurance Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en,java MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Westbrook, Richard" CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: The Saga Ends (long) References: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F1@GROVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you got any before and after shots? I'd love to see a yellow VFR Tom '87 VFR7002 "Westbrook, Richard" wrote: > > So to finish up a long story I got the money from the insurance company > ordered the parts from Riverside Honda in NY (thanks to Glenn) and had all > the parts painted yellow. I went to the same place Linda Tanner got her's > painted (thanks Linda). I have to say that I am not overjoyed with the job > they did. There are some spots that the coverage is very light and > eventhough they did the final finishing work, I still had to go back a > finish some details. I got what I paid for though, $200 dollars is not bad, > and overall the bike looks good. > > So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung like > the Beetles) > > Rich Westbrook -- Thomas De Boeser Intuit Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ ~~~~~~~~ "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 11:05:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20917 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13428 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (known cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26821 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2RJC5C5WU8Y4Y0I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:07:10 EDT Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:09:17 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Grow up.... was Re: Facts not emotions To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <361E271D.F19FA6D4@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <93ee266f.361d8e68@aol.com> NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > The arguments about helmet laws are like "closing the barn door after the > horses run out." It's a done deal. The voting public will never repeal them. > It's that simple. No it isn't. Look at the latest wave of helmet law repeals in other states. The "voting public" doesn't have any say in it anyway. It's who they elect that does. Who knows when MD legislators will repeal their unconstitutionally vague helmet statute as well. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 11:09:27 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21228 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2RJHCYJAO8Y4X1I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:11:22 EDT Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:13:29 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Facts not emotions To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <361E2819.305A9074@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <4.1.19981009082148.00fa8520@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:57 PM 10/8/98 , BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > >UNDERSTANDING HEAD > >AND NECK TRAUMA > > > >Or, why helmets increase the danger! > > > >by Tony Pan Sanfelipo > >(January 1998) > > So who is Sanfelipo? Is he a research scientist? Is he a trauma surgeon > skilled in statistical analysis? Is he a trained accident investigator and > analyst? Looks like he's yet another person who thinks his version of > "common sense" proves everyone else is wrong. I read some more of Sanfelipo's stuff on the BOLT page (Bikers of Lesser Tolerance). Seems like he might try any tactic to get helmet laws repealed....including public refusal (group effort) to abide by laws. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 11:10:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21243 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13526 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27045 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA16390; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:22:26 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:13:59 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F3@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'Thomas De Boeser'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Saga Ends (long) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:13:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm going to take some this weekend and scan them in next week. > ---------- > From: Thomas De Boeser > Sent: Friday, October 9, 1998 9:51 AM > To: Westbrook, Richard > Cc: 'DC-Cycles' > Subject: Re: The Saga Ends (long) > > Have you got any before and after shots? I'd love to see a yellow VFR > > Tom > '87 VFR7002 > > "Westbrook, Richard" wrote: > > > > > So to finish up a long story I got the money from the insurance company > > ordered the parts from Riverside Honda in NY (thanks to Glenn) and had > all > > the parts painted yellow. I went to the same place Linda Tanner got > her's > > painted (thanks Linda). I have to say that I am not overjoyed with the > job > > they did. There are some spots that the coverage is very light and > > eventhough they did the final finishing work, I still had to go back a > > finish some details. I got what I paid for though, $200 dollars is not > bad, > > and overall the bike looks good. > > > > So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung > like > > the Beetles) > > > > Rich Westbrook > > -- > Thomas De Boeser > Intuit Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com > a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com > Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ > ~~~~~~~~ > "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 11:51:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22838 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14007 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28610 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WFBCa18750; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5d39e390.361e30b7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:50:15 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Grow up.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/9/98 12:17:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul writes: << Another topic that's been beaten like a dead horse. Harleys versus everythig else/ my bike is better. Who cares? Like I've been saying, we all have different preferences. I like Hondas, someone else might like Harleys, or BMWs, or Ducatis, are whatever else! Heck, if someone builds their own bike from scratch, I'm not gonna insult them because it isn't the same bike that I ride!! And frankly, I don't want to ride the same bike as everyone else! I like variety. I like to be able to stop and look at all the different bikes on a group ride. I like to compare engineering concepts and traditions of manufacturing, etc. But most of all, I like to ride. And when it comes down to it, that's why I have a motorcycle. Some people may have their bikes for show, others for convenience, others still for efficiency or whatever else. The fact is that it's a bike, and they do ride. As soon as we agree to disagree and start acting like a community rather than individual groups, then motorcyclists can have a voice that the public will hear and respect. But as long as we try to shove ideas down each other's throats, we'll never get anywhere. I respect your thoughts. I only ask that you respect mine. Ride on, ride safe, but most important of all... ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 >> Hi Robert, I sure don't know where you came up with this one. I never said a thing about any of this. I agree with you completely. I know a whole lot of bro's who do talk of what you describe, however, I have always believed in this motto: "I'd rather ride with a brother on a Honda, then an ass hole on a Harley" Okay, cool with that? Ride Free! Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:03:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23472 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14213 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29074 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id MAA29231 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256698.0069BB51 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:02:12 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256698.00579DC7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:57:52 -0400 Subject: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Just checked out the Winchester Indian site...I didn't know that Enfield still produces m/cs...are they actually made at the same factory as the classics, or is it more of an Asian deal now? Too bad all they make is a single (looked like it from the picture)...anyone know if that's the case, or does W.I. only stock the single. I'm looking for a bike with a classic look but new internals...my next bike will probably be a Triumph Thunderbird Sport if I buy new. Or a Sunbeam S-8 if I buy old... BTW, Paul - I lost the number of that guy who does the classic bike work on the side...any chance you can resend? Just wondering... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: "Carver, John" , "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ That's for Winchester Indian. Velorex is a rather inexpensive hack imported by American Jawa. Czech manufacturer, I think. Quality is okay, they are a bit light. But, they are cheap. Only $1400. Nowhere near as many doodads as a Hannigan. But I can't see spending $3500 for a hack to put on a $1000 bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'George Howell' > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > <> > > > What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. > > John Carver > '98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:10:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23596 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14322 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29374 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05271; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHBW>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:11:45 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC654@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Grow up.... Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:11:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He's referring to the list explosion we had a week or two ago. A new guy joined the list and immediately proceeded to tell us all how superior Harleys were, then to add even more fire, started insulting the women (who hadn't even been in the argument to start with)... > -----Original Message----- > From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX [SMTP:BkrFamily@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Grow up.... > > Hi Robert, > I sure don't know where you came up with this one. > > Steel Trap > (rusty and illegal in most states....just kidding..I couldn't resist..saw it on a joke recently) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:17:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23992 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14405 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29588 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zRfEj-0005jL-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:17:49 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE6E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Grow up.... Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:14:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain LOL, well said. - Jeannette > "I'd rather ride with a brother on a Honda, > then an ass hole on a Harley" > Okay, cool with that? > Ride Free! > Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:25:25 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24375 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05676 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:23:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199810091623.MAA05676@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:25:27 -0400 Subject: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) The ride scheduled for tomorrow, 10/10/98 is still on... I even managed to mostly fend off a cold/flu bug that has afflicted my entire office! Here are the particulars: Starting Place: Old Country Buffet on Rte 234 in Manassas Starting Time: 8:00 am for breakfast, ride starts at 9:00 am Distance: ~200 miles, ending in Middleburg Pace: Moderate, if a lot of people show up we'll split up into two groups and I'll lead the slower group. Beginners and those new to group rides are definitely welcome. Please email me if you have any questions! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:45:59 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25301 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimerhome (max2p185.smart.net [206.97.127.185]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA29066; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004501bdf3a5$74df8140$b97f61ce@gimerhome> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Leon Begeman" , Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:54:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I'm with Leon. Just because it isn't a NEW topic doesn't mean it's a waste of bandwidth. It's also pretty goddamn important. The "slippery slope" argument is the one that makes me most worried....once motorcyclists give the signal to legislators that they accept attempts to overregulate the industry/activity, we are all going to be riding around in our airbag suits on unmodifiable bikes with leg protectors. Won't that be fun. -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman To: Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Facts not emotions >But I like this argument, and I still don't understand why some folks >want to make me do things that don't affect them. > >Leon. > >Anita Lauro wrote: >> >> Maybe if we're going to argue, we can at least argue about >> something NEW!?! From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:47:34 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25330 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:45:58 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:43:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:46:04 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Chris Norloff wrote: "But it's useful for pointing out that if legislators actually wanted to stop head injury ..)." Exactly! We are a politically expedient target for "concerned" legislators, and we are mostly unorganized. Why AMA gets my 30 bucks every year. Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:54:10 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25436 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3QEFa02343 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6719be26.361e3f78@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:53:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 << my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you are being paid tax payer money to boot. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:55:48 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25465 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09057; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHB7>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:04 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC657@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Anita, You may want to detail where Old Country Buffet is at on 234... It's definitely not easily spotted from the main road (or am I just blind ;-)) I recall it's in a shopping center, but I can't remember what else is there with it that's out by the road.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Subject: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] > > > Starting Place: Old Country Buffet on Rte 234 in Manassas > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:05:19 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25966 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09845; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHCA>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:06:34 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC659@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:06:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Trust me... I work for the gov't... he he he I admit, I spend probably too much time reading/posting list stuff, but I do manage to get all of my work done plus some... The office I'm in is really flexible both in work and hours...I can pretty much come and go as I please, take as long a lunch as I please, etc. as long as I continue to get my share of the load done.... As a zero type in the military, your time isn't as regimented as it is for an enlisted person. You're expected to manage your time properly to meet all your requirements... Sooo... sometimes I stay a little late or come in a bit early (Ok, maybe not early) to get things done.. On a side note, I just found out yesterday that I may be going on an inspection in Japan next month!! Woohoo.. I wonder if I can stuff a GSXR400 into my carry on for the trip back :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26274 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 189; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: <361E4326.92F942BD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:08:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] References: <199810091623.MAA05676@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > The ride scheduled for tomorrow, 10/10/98 is still on... > > Here are the particulars: > > Starting Place: Old Country Buffet on Rte 234 in Manassas > Starting Time: 8:00 am for breakfast, ride starts at 9:00 am > Distance: ~200 miles, ending in Middleburg Count me in! I was bummed when I thought I would have to miss this ride last weekend, so I'm glad I'm getting a second chance. :) See ya tomorrow! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:11:02 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26288 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10404 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHCD>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: SV650 webpage? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I can't rememeber the subject line or originator of that webpage that showed a pic of the two SV650 models riding position... Could someone repost please?? thanks CT From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:14:00 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26399 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zRg6r-0002iF-01; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:13:45 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE77@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:10:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ...trying to add fuel to the fire again, huh? ; ) - Jeannette > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the > list? > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:14:33 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26418 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10723 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHCF>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: SV650 website? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:15:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ooops, just found it... sorry bout that... http://www.motomag.com/nouveau/munich/suzuki.htm Thanks anyhow, Collin From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:16:30 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26482 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:17:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:17:12 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paid or not? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline See, I actually can do both at the same time. I usually have 2 or 3 = computers sitting at my desk at one time so, e-mailing is no problem while = I work. Scooter >>> 10/09/98 12:53PM >>> << my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you are being paid tax payer money to boot. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26770 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4SCXHVZM>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:17:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I consider it my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the building. Glenn > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:19:51 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26793 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810091719.NAA26793@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4S2LZLJR>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:19:17 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:16:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) woohoo.. I'm one of those 'tax-payer paid' people.. playing on e-mail lists while at work.. thankfully I have the piece of mind not to start or get involved with helmet wars.. :P 'course waiting for workstations to run programs gives me ample time to type em.. er, programs done.. gotta go.. ;) Brian McCoy US Army Corps of Engineers.. but I'm only a contractor.. *-----Original Message----- * * *This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you *are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? *Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you *are being paid tax payer money to boot. *ST * From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:25:01 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26893 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11591 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHCH>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: weather Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:26:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I work in an interior office, and radio reception sucks, so I generally leave real audio tuned in to some random country station.... Current weather in Sioux Falls South Freakin Dakot is sunny and 60 degrees!!! And what's it like outside here????..... this sucks :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:28:44 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27192 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:28:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FIDLa02316; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:28:06 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Hey, thanks for being honest. Also, thanks for serving our country. Damn shame about the poor excuse we have for a Commander in Chief. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:30:45 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27329 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.119] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00794; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:32:53 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01bdf3aa$6ddc83c0$7773c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:29:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yes! Detailed directions would be great! I would be coming down 28. Or would coming in 234 from 15 be better from Leesburg? Thanks! >Anita, >You may want to detail where Old Country Buffet is at on 234... It's >definitely not easily spotted from the main road (or am I just blind ;-)) >I recall it's in a shopping center, but I can't remember what else is there >with it that's out by the road.. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] >> Subject: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] >> >> >> Starting Place: Old Country Buffet on Rte 234 in Manassas >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:33:26 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27355 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8E19F20292; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:33:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009130851.010796a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:09:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:46 PM 10/9/98 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: >"But it's useful for >pointing out that if legislators actually wanted to stop head injury >..)." > >Exactly! We are a politically expedient target for "concerned" >legislators, and we are mostly unorganized. Why AMA gets my 30 bucks >every year. >Joe And I paid another $10 and am one of the AMA "Extra Mile" members. As they say, freedom isn't free. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:33:26 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27356 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8E29F20292; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:33:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009130953.0106e220@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:17:36 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions In-Reply-To: <004501bdf3a5$74df8140$b97f61ce@gimerhome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:54 PM 10/9/98 , Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >I'm with Leon. Just because it isn't a NEW topic doesn't mean it's a waste >of bandwidth. It's also pretty goddamn important. The "slippery slope" >argument is the one that makes me most worried....once motorcyclists give >the signal to legislators that they accept attempts to overregulate the >industry/activity, we are all going to be riding around in our airbag suits >on unmodifiable bikes with leg protectors. Won't that be fun. The counterpoint to that is that if bikers are perceived as unwilling to take what are regarded as basic safety precautions, then "passive" safety precautions may be legislated into place. A good example is seat belts. People were too stupid to wear seatbelts, and manufacturers wouldn't cooperate so legislation gave us -- 1) dual belts (separate lap and shoulder belts that were a royal PITA to use. They stowed out of the way very well, and were thus often left in the stowed position). 2) Seat belts buzzers that squawk if the driver commits the heinous crime of starting the engine before belting in - and the buzzers were often immediately disconnected. 3) Fixed seat belts with incredibly awkward adjustments, that were too much hassle to use unless you were the only one who ever used them. 4) Shoulder straps with no lap belts (only a knee bar, like the VW Rabbit). The shoulder belt attached to the door and did not require user action - it met the "passive" restraint requirements of legislation. 5) Electric shoulder belts that grab your neck, with manual lap belts that are easily forgotten (Toyota Camry - but it met that same passive requirement). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:47:01 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27881 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 385; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:46:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981009134412.00ddbc20@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:46:13 -0400 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: weather In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65C@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:26 PM 10/9/98 , Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >I work in an interior office, and radio reception sucks, so I generally >leave real audio tuned in to some random country station.... > >Current weather in Sioux Falls South Freakin Dakot is sunny and 60 >degrees!!! >And what's it like outside here????..... this sucks :) A friend of mine used to go to school at UND. Its beautiful up there in the summer (drove up once) but you would never envy them in the winter. He told me once (this kind of gross) that he drank too much one night and vomited outside his dorm building in November. It was still there in April. ugh. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:04:13 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28714 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14622 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:02:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199810091802.OAA14622@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:04:14 -0400 Subject: RE: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Priority: normal In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC657@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, I'm going to try to explain where Old Country Buffet is (I apologize in advance for my directions!)... you want to be on Rte 234 South [Business]. OCB is on the left side of the road. It is in a shopping center that is set back from the road a bit, and it *is* kind of hard to see. As you are coming down Rte 234, you will pass a Crestar Bank on the left. You will turn at the next intersection after that (not at the Crestar)... The shopping center has a CVS Drug Store, a Long John Silvers, and a do-it-yourself car wash place. The OCB is at the end of the shopping center, to the right after you turn into the shopping center. Sorry if it's confusing... I missed it the first time I went there myself, and just did a u-turn at the next intersection. See you there! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29226 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 151; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: <361E526F.273D316A@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:14:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Norton CC: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] References: <006b01bdf3aa$6ddc83c0$7773c3d0@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok folks, I just called OCB from work (anyone gonna flame me for that? :), the meeting place is: Old Country Buffet Restaurant Westgate Shopping Center The restaurant is sort of located behind a Long John Silver's. 8121 Sudley Road (Rte. 234) in Manassas, I-66, Take Exit 47A, go 4-5 lights on 234, it's on the left hand side. (703) 368-0881 I tried to get the GPS coordinates, but damn, that person on the phone didn't know what I was talking about. :) :) Hope this all helps. Bruce, 234 from 15 is a nice (but straight road). That's not a bad way to come in at all. See y'all tomorrow! I'll probably skip breakfast (Lord knows I need to skip more than a few) and show up outside around 8:45 or so. Dale (the Horkster) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:22:59 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29480 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ5WNY6T; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:22:38 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paid or not? Message-ID: <19981009.032650.8231.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <6719be26.361e3f78@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-12,18-19,21-37 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:22:38 EDT Man, are you a trouble-maker and a rabble-rouser! You really seem to live for a good fiery controversy! ;-) Hey! Wait just one cotton-pickin' second Mr. BkrFamily Man. You seem to be able to respond quite rapidly to any posting you care to throughout the day. You work nights? Are you retired? What gives? Inquiring minds wanna know! :-) JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) PS. FWIW, I usually get here about 1.5 to 2 hours before the store opens and get a lot of my BS work done then, when there's no one around to interrupt me. That leaves me more free time to put my finger on the pulse of the local motorcyclist crowd during the day. Besides, it's the end of the season and our floor traffic is much lighter :( than it was a month ago. Come springtime, I won't be so conspicuous on the list... Y'all go out and visit your local dealer. We miss you. Plus the `99s are starting to arrive... On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:53:12 EDT BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: > > ><< my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him > to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm > supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> > > >This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you >are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the >list? >Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you >are being paid tax payer money to boot. >ST > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:25:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29654 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16560 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03609 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256698.0064FCE9 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:23:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256698.0064C62E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:22:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok folks, I just called OCB from work (anyone gonna flame me for that? :) Holy cow Dale. You're going to upset the worlds economy if you keep that up! 8-) Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:37:02 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00293 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16924; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHDH>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC668@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Bikes R Us'" , BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 99 models RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:38:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of the 99 models.... What's the dealer word on the SV650? Early reports are that the naked version with the relaxed ride position are the only ones coming over here... Is there any chance of some of the S models making to this side of the pond? If not, I find this pretty odd... Usually we get the sporty version of the bikes, and the euro market gets the less sporty models (liek the CB600..or was that 650?, etc)... what gives?? Collin (and yes, I'm bored and watching the clock for one more hour..) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:39:05 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00344 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA12174; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:38:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981009183828.TKGZ25016@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:38:28 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdf3b3$dbf983e0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6719be26.361e3f78@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, we could all just stop. Then who'd you have to talk to? Todd > > << my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him > to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm > supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> > > > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > ST > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:46:42 1998 Return-Path: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00791 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glll6 ([12.78.124.184]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19981009184538.CTXN2374@glll6>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:45:38 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981009134519.0098cc00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: aki.damme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:45:19 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Paid or not? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" since I'm at home and don't start my new job until the first week of Nov., I'm reading from home...on my new Dell 450!!! Woo! Woo! Man does those dirty picture downloads fly now!! ;-) -aki At 01:17 PM 10/9/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I consider it >my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the >building. > >Glenn > > >> This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you >> are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? >> Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you >> are being paid tax payer money to boot. >> > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:52:55 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00892 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RFZAa02343; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45e8a18.361e59d5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:45:41 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/9/98 2:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << Hey! Wait just one cotton-pickin' second Mr. BkrFamily Man. You seem to be able to respond quite rapidly to any posting you care to throughout the day. You work nights? Are you retired? What gives? Inquiring minds wanna know! :-) JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) >> I started to answer your question when I ask mine. Then I backspaced it off in favor of seeing who was going to be the first one to ask. Your the winner! No damn prize but your the winner! Anyhow, I go into work during the wee hours of the morning and am usually home by about 11 or so. I sit and do this shit for free! Hell, if I had a terminal at work I'd been fired long ago. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:09:35 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01661 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA06517; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981009190851.TSLG25016@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:08:51 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:07:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bdf3b8$193e7ea0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981009130953.0106e220@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 12:54 PM 10/9/98 , Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > >I'm with Leon. Just because it isn't a NEW topic doesn't mean > it's a waste > >of bandwidth. It's also pretty goddamn important. The "slippery slope" > >argument is the one that makes me most worried....once motorcyclists give > >the signal to legislators that they accept attempts to overregulate the > >industry/activity, we are all going to be riding around in our > airbag suits > >on unmodifiable bikes with leg protectors. Won't that be fun. > > The counterpoint to that is that if bikers are perceived as unwilling to > take what are regarded as basic safety precautions, then "passive" safety > precautions may be legislated into place. Since you are both argueing from the point of view as citizen servant to the government, you are both right. However, civil servants are elected to serve the will of the citizens. If you consider yourselves good citizens (taxpayers will do) and 'motorcyclists'/'bikers' then it is your civic duty to steer your servants attitude toward your concerns to effect change. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing your arguement(s). Maybe instead of argueing about what 'they' will do, energy might be spent better educating 'them'. Don't bother pointing out that I hold cagers in disdain because I believe they really don't give a crap about motorcyclists. I know I'm a hypocrite :) But I do regularly call my congressman (Frank Wolf) on issues that mean something to me. And I belong to the AMA. Blah! Here's a good start to learn more about what the feds are up to: http://www.house.gov/Welcome2.html Here's a list of committee members on Transportation & Infrastructure: http://clerkweb.house.gov/mbrcmtee/cmtees/standing/SC.HTM#17 Also, check your States Page(s) too: Virginia: http://legis.state.va.us/ Maryland: http://www.mec.state.md.us/mec/ District of Columbia: http://www.ci.washington.dc.us/ Todd: "Have you RSVP'd"? http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/RSVP.HTML From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:28:09 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02526 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ52EBDH; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:27:48 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: weather Message-ID: <19981009.034952.8231.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981009134412.00ddbc20@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9,11,13-25 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:27:48 EDT Yuck-o! JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ps. Better check your signature... On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:46:13 -0400 "Michael Troutman" writes: >He told me once (this kind of gross) that he drank too much one night and >vomited outside his dorm building in November. It was still there in April. > >ugh. > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > >"I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." > (Better than me at everything except maybe spelling...) :-) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:31:26 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02615 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zRiG0-0002Ls-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:31:20 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:30:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE83@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:28:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Got some pics back today of the new puppy. Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03076 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 200; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: <361E672E.8AC5348F@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:42:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paid or not? References: <3.0.6.32.19981009134519.0098cc00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > > since I'm at home and don't start my new job until the first week of > Nov., I'm reading from home...on my new Dell 450!!! Woo! Woo! Man > does those dirty picture downloads fly now!! > Much faster than work, huh? :) So tell us, Aki, why was it that you had to get a new job again? I'm just kidding! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:46:11 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03117 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:45:25 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 09 Oct 1998 15:45:22 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 09 Oct 1998 15:45:22 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 00B2A361E67D2002-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 00B2A361E67D2002 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <00B2A361E67D2002*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 09 Oct 1998 15:45:22 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: Todd Peer , Chris Norloff , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Message-Id: <00B2A361E67D2002*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Todd, I'll be there definitely, most likely with my SO (Kathy), but maybe not. Maybe with the F3, but then again, maybe not. I'm still figuring out what food to bring. Probably something Mexican, but maybe not. Can figure out my life is a bit unsettled at this point in time. Don B Todd: "Have you RSVP'd"? http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/RSVP.HTML From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:47:38 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03127 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I usually read my email first thing in the morning -- most of it block-delete for such ramblings as helmet wearing and Harley vs. the world discussions. I then check it during my lunch hour, which is at my desk, by the way. Then I give it one last look before I go home for the day, which varies between 1700 and 2100 (that's 5 p.m. to 9 p.m.). Since my work day usually begins at 0500 (5 a.m.), I think I'm allowed to read my email occasionally in between. Mitch > ---------- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN[SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 1:17 PM > To: 'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Paid or not? > > Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I consider > it > my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the > building. > > Glenn > > > > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:47:43 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03130 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ53H6UN; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:47:23 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV650 Message-ID: <19981009.040935.8231.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC668@mscex> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-7 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:47:23 EDT Dealer word is that we won't see the half-faired version here in the states, but that is, of course, subject to change without notice. I have my fingers crossed, since I like the S version better too. Perhaps, like the Bandit 1200, it will eventually get here. JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:51:07 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03487 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > Got some pics back today of the new puppy. > Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. > I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL > > - Jeannette > Ohhhh, gotta love that _new puppy_ smell. -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:53:00 1998 Return-Path: RWestbrook@XXXXXX Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03532 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA17004; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:04:39 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F9@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Subject: RE: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:56:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That could be a refreshing departure from the typical scantily-clad-busty-babe centerfold that we are used to seeing. > ---------- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette > Sent: Friday, October 9, 1998 2:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) > > Got some pics back today of the new puppy. > Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. > I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 16:16:02 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04587 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 353; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:15:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981009161424.0189dc10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:15:18 -0400 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: weather Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981009.034952.8231.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981009134412.00ddbc20@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:27 PM 10/9/98 , Bikes R Us wrote: >ps. Better check your signature... >>"I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." >> >(Better than me at everything except maybe spelling...) :-) That was the irony of the signature. My new one is a great deal easier to read. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) Its too damn cold out there for me. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 16:23:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04980 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18367 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08902 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WCGFa29193 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56ee3e50.361e7091@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:22:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Paid or not?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 I am not on taxpayer money but being a network administrator I only work when things go wrong around here. Thankfully they dont go wrong too often ;). Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 16:34:07 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05493 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-212.s212.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.212]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01896; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361EA55D.CEAB25DE@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:07:57 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE83@BADGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well..... You're just gonna have to scan it and post it for all of us to see... Speaking of great pics.. for those of you that don't get RoadRacing World (aka John's world) you've missed an awesome pic. Last month they had a b/w shot of Arron Yates in a recent race taking a left hander with his ELBOW less than one inch from the pavement. This month it is a two page pullout full color poster!!! Absolutely awesome... It's too wide for my scanner, otherwise I would scan it in and post if for all to see...Definitely awe inspiring... O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Got some pics back today of the new puppy. > Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. > I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL > > - Jeannette -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 16:42:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05683 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18569 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09438 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA13793 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256698.007195A9 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:38 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256698.00717D03.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:28 -0400 Subject: Winchester Indian this weekend? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Anybody out there want to take a ride to Winchester Indian sometime this weekend? I think I want to take a look at their Royal Enfields...if anyone wants to join me (hopefully going sometime Sunday, if they're open then, then give me a call at (703) 516-0332...I'll have to take a cage, as I no longer have a bike... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (but don't reply, as I'll be leaving work soon) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 17:23:39 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07375 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ58Y69K; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:22:58 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Message-ID: <19981009.052214.8231.5.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE83@badge> <361EA55D.CEAB25DE@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:22:58 EDT I SAW THAT PHOTO! Truly amazing. Some folks here were trying to downplay the level of gravity defiance by saying he only LOOKED that close to the ground because at the edge of the track, the ground rises up to meet you. I say, next thing you know, they'll be dragging their chins... Whoa, Nellie! JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:07:57 -0400 "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" >Speaking of great pics.. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 17:37:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08142 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19436 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12072 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA28094; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:36:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv10-34.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.162) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028063; Fri Oct 9 16:36:11 1998 Message-ID: <361E816B.9AD5359A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:34:35 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) References: <85256698.00579DC7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Enfield is now made only in India, although it is authentuic tooling and the company is a direct descedent. It is an interesting beastie, but not as cheap as one would think, something like a 350 starting at $3500.00 would be a neat toy for $1500.00 ;). Actually still has a kickstart. Rode one at an open house 2 years back, wouldnt want to use it as my commuter bike, but would make an ok city bike. IMHO... Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Just checked out the Winchester Indian site...I didn't know that Enfield > still produces m/cs...are they actually made at the same factory as the > classics, or is it more of an Asian deal now? Too bad all they make is a > single (looked like it from the picture)...anyone know if that's the case, > or does W.I. only stock the single. -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09074 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FEIYa29185; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:00:42 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 1:37:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: << Damn shame about the poor excuse we have for a Commander in Chief. >> Jeesh, enough already, get over it. Does it bother you that much that he got a little on the side and denied it? Are you envious or just a weirdo. Judge him by how the country is doing economically when the rest of the world's finances are falling apart. You have a budget surplus, you have one of the world's lowest unemployment rates, what more do you want, Mother Theresa in the White house. Well you could use universal health-care like most industrialized countries, but he even tried to do that. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:17:22 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09635 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimerhome (max2p179.smart.net [206.97.127.179]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA07641; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: <00da01bdf3d3$ccb7f9a0$b97f61ce@gimerhome> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , , Subject: Re: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:25:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Allright....hold it right there! The beginning of this little squabble was fun to watch until you started in on the smokers. After all, a study by Tony Pan Sanfelipo showed that smokers are more productive workers than non-smokers, even when working fewer hours. -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Paid or not? >Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I consider it >my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the >building. > >Glenn > >> This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you >> are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? >> Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you >> are being paid tax payer money to boot. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09661 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:18:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RNITa04133; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <592e0f19.361e89c2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:10:10 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Dragging elbows, that is actually dragging an elbow slider, was done by an Italian Magazine tester originally, then the brit guys started copying him and it is quite common in Euro Mags now. The Mag that started it in Italy actually had a step-by-step guide as to how to do it and ended the article by saying that getting that low was actually slower with respect to lap times, so I decided not learn. :-)))) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:28:02 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10123 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p88.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.88]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07489 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:27:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <361E8C43.3A0@flash.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:20:51 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: > > Speakin' o' facts . . . > anyone got the facts that debunk the bullshit "public burden theory" > that "they" will eventually use to ban bikes alltogether? Theory is, we > deadbeat bikers don't give a damn about our safety, after all, we ride > these death machines, and when we toss these inherently unstable > vehicles into the ditch, we lay up in the hospital at public expense > because we are after all, deadbeat scumbags who don't bother to carry > health insurance. Joe, I believe the last figure I heard was that of all the "public burden" cases taking up bed space, unfortunate motorcyclists accounted for less that 2%. But let me see if I can find the source and verify that figure. That answers the demagogues (i.e., politicians), but as you've seen, the truth won't stop them. Lee From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:33:58 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10477 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6KEIa03785; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2663e49.361e8f09@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:32:41 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 6:22:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << After all, a study by Tony Pan Sanfelipo showed that smokers are more productive workers than non-smokers, even when working fewer hours. >> Apparently Nicotine is an upper Tony may be right. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 19:00:21 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11502 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-212.s212.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.212]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02691; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361EC934.92995C9C@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:40:52 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) References: <592e0f19.361e89c2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It depends on the particular situation... sometimes a steeper lean can make a turn quicker, but not for most turns..can't get all the power to the ground and the tire just spins..... In one (I repeat one) lap out at summit, I had my hip and elbow both tap down in turn 5! I honestly thought that I was crashing till the bike levered of my leg and came back up... I was in shock... hasn't happened since though as I learned to hang off the bike more and corner a lot faster.... I'm not sure if anyone ever caught a pic of it, but I remember watching a 250 gp race a bout two years ago where the track surface was a bit higher then the infield grass... Those guys were going through the corner with their elbows dragging in the grass lower than the pavement the bikes were on!! The announcers were going nuts (as was I)...Isn't physics great!! Collin ________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 19:06:24 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11870 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TPXQa02082; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49581cbb.361e96c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:05:36 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 7:00:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << It depends on the particular situation... sometimes a steeper lean can make a turn quicker, but not for most turns..can't get all the power to the ground and the tire just spins..... >> I think their point was that the lean was not necessarily steeper, it was really a primer on hanging acrobatics to drag your elbow for photographic drama. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 19:08:19 1998 Return-Path: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11880 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glll6 ([12.78.126.239]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19981009230746.GSAA2374@glll6>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:07:46 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981009180721.009933f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: aki.damme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:07:21 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Paid or not? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361E672E.8AC5348F@tidalwave.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19981009134519.0098cc00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nah..downloading from work was *much* faster on that T3. Unfortunately, I had co-workers that had NO sense of humor...how was I supposed to know that "doggie_love.jpg" wasn't a picture of someones pet? Damn..guess I gotta be careful what I save as wallpaper! ;-) Seriously, I was a victim of the outsourcing bug....as was the other 2,500 IS employees at Citicorp...oh well..the parachute was nice nuff...bought this 'puter I'm pokin on and I'm thinking of buying a Durango and will still have a pretty penny left over for the SO's "backyard renovation" project... At 03:42 PM 10/9/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: >> >> since I'm at home and don't start my new job until the first week of >> Nov., I'm reading from home...on my new Dell 450!!! Woo! Woo! Man >> does those dirty picture downloads fly now!! >> > >Much faster than work, huh? :) So tell us, Aki, why was it >that you had to get a new job again? > >I'm just kidding! :) > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here >Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 19:45:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13265 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20742 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15424 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05876; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810092346.TAA05876@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000601bdf2cd$b6bd03e0$6e0000c0@demon> from "George Howell" at Oct 8, 98 11:09:58 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > They only put out that kind of power because they are basically a WWII BMW > design. R71, I think. > -George Howell > > > > Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ > > > > --John > > 98 VFR > > GO RIDE!! > > > Ural ? It was a dream bike in 70-ish Poland. Only army was gettgin them, so they were rare. most popular mods were to change rear gear ratio ( they were shaft driven ) using old BMW pars, and have nice bike capable of speeds in excess of 100 km/h. Older model was called MK, and was even more archaic... Both were terrible on gasoline. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 20:30:16 1998 Return-Path: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15225 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3EPAa13873 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:29:38 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <687ed16f.361eaa72@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:29:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: buying used Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I just agreed to buy a '91 VFR with 12K miles, Givi luggage, Corbin seat, center stand, great shape for $3500. However, I insisted that I be allowed to drive it around a bit and return it for a refund within a certain time period if I wasn't satisfied with the way it ran. The owner refused and the deal fell through. I was concerned that it might have a problem that wouldn't show up until it started moving, like a bad transmission perhaps. The owner seemed honest and the bike looked very well cared for. I just didn't feel comfortable about handing over a big chunk of cash without riding the bike a bit. The fact that it had dead tags and no insurance made it more complicated. I was willing to title and insure it but the guy insisted that once I had the title the bike was not returnable. I guess that I could still call him back and buy it. What do you think folks? Am I being unreasonable? Is it a good deal I'm letting slip away? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 20:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15738 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3XTVa02343; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:46:38 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <4ef1c976.361eae6e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:46:38 EDT To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: buying used Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 $3500 is a very good price and VFRs are fairly indestructible. I would ask him to ride it for you through the gears. I have an 86 750 which I intend to sell and will ask $3000, so if you can get a 91 for 3500 it is a great deal. If it has engine problems they are a bit more expensive to fix than in-line 4s. The gearbox could cost you a grand or more so I would see it run a bit if not ridden by you personally. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 21:27:37 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17452 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:27:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3MRDa04133; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:27:01 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <55329f91.361eb7e5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:27:01 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Out of context Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/9/98 6:00:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boia de writes: << << Damn shame about the poor excuse we have for a Commander in Chief. >> Jeesh, enough already, get over it. Does it bother you that much that he got a little on the side and denied it? Are you envious or just a weirdo. Judge him by how the country is doing economically when the rest of the world's finances are falling apart. You have a budget surplus, you have one of the world's lowest unemployment rates, what more do you want, Mother Theresa in the White house. Well you could use universal health-care like most industrialized countries, but he even tried to do that. Ciao, Fred >> Hello Fred, You have taken my statement completely out of context. It came from a personal email to someone else who mistakenly replied to the list. I was talking about Clinton's military service or lack there of. You are the one to bring up all the other stuff not me. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 22:57:31 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20910 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana ([207.172.33.129]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 267; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:56:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981009225458.00bcc690@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:56:31 -0400 To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, Boiade@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Out of context Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <55329f91.361eb7e5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys need to take this off the list. And its the Republicans in congress that gave us the budget surplus. Even Clinton will admit to that, so dont go spreading more left wing falsehoods. At 09:27 PM 10/9/98 -0400, BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: >a little on the side and denied it? Are you envious or just a weirdo. = Judge >him by how the country is doing economically when the rest of the world's >finances are falling apart. You have a budget surplus, you have one of the ______________________________________ =A0=A0 Mike Troutman =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mike@XXXXXX =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.troutman.org When you come to a fork in the road - take it=20 From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:46:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25072 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24405 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19612 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:24 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Winchester Indian this weekend? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:53 -0400 Message-ID: <005201bdf408$dcc11900$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <85256698.00717D03.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Will go with you. Depending on whether my family is making funeral arrangements (mother's father isn't doing well. It's 12:30 AM, and we're getting ready to head to Harbor Hosp. in Balt.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [mailto:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 4:40 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Winchester Indian this weekend? > > > Anybody out there want to take a ride to Winchester Indian sometime this > weekend? I think I want to take a look at their Royal > Enfields...if anyone > wants to join me (hopefully going sometime Sunday, if they're open then, > then give me a call at (703) 516-0332...I'll have to take a cage, as I no > longer have a bike... > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (but don't reply, as I'll be leaving work > soon) > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:45:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24949 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24399 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19591 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:21 -0400 Message-ID: <004801bdf408$c98208e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <85256698.00579DC7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The current Enfield is only available as the bullet single. They are built in India (some firm bought out the factory and tooling when the company folded). I think they go for around $5000 or so, depending on paint jobs and whatnot. I'd suggest you go up there. I've only been there twice, and had trouble getting out of there in under two hours both times. The owner (name eludes me) just loves talking. And he's very enthusiastic about the... niche bikes he sells. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [mailto:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 11:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) > > > > > Just checked out the Winchester Indian site...I didn't know that Enfield > still produces m/cs...are they actually made at the same factory as the > classics, or is it more of an Asian deal now? Too bad all they make is a > single (looked like it from the picture)...anyone know if that's the case, > or does W.I. only stock the single. I'm looking for a bike with a classic > look but new internals...my next bike will probably be a Triumph > Thunderbird Sport if I buy new. Or a Sunbeam S-8 if I buy old... > > BTW, Paul - I lost the number of that guy who does the classic > bike work on > the side...any chance you can resend? > > Just wondering... > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Carver, John" , "'Todd Peer'" > , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > > http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ That's for Winchester Indian. Velorex is a rather inexpensive hack imported by American Jawa. Czech manufacturer, I think. Quality is okay, they are a bit light. But, they are cheap. Only $1400. Nowhere near as many doodads as a Hannigan. But I can't see spending $3500 for a hack to put on a $1000 bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'George Howell' > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > <> > > > What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. > > John Carver > '98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25354 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:02 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01bdf408$cf2b9ea0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19981009130953.0106e220@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > A good example is seat belts. People were too stupid to wear seatbelts, > and manufacturers wouldn't cooperate so legislation gave us -- It could be worse than helmets. Don't forget those passive legguards and airbags for bikes that they banty about. > 1) dual belts (separate lap and shoulder belts that were a royal PITA to > use. They stowed out of the way very well, and were thus often > left in the > stowed position). Glad I missed this one. > 2) Seat belts buzzers that squawk if the driver commits the heinous crime > of starting the engine before belting in - and the buzzers were often > immediately disconnected. Or better yet: had a sitter in 1981. I remember that she kept the belt always plugged in, and sat on top of it. Brilliant. > 3) Fixed seat belts with incredibly awkward adjustments, that > were too much > hassle to use unless you were the only one who ever used them. Loved it when we had a vehicle made with these, but after the mandatory belt laws. It was great when a really skinny person was the last in the car, and the next was someone really big:) > 4) Shoulder straps with no lap belts (only a knee bar, like the > VW Rabbit). > The shoulder belt attached to the door and did not require user action - > it met the "passive" restraint requirements of legislation. Knee bar? What vintage rabbits? I don't remember these. > 5) Electric shoulder belts that grab your neck, with manual lap belts that > are easily forgotten (Toyota Camry - but it met that same passive > requirement). Father had one of these in the mid 80's. I thought it was cool. Of course, I was 10, and anything with a motor was pretty cool (still kinda like that:) Remember the GM belts where the shoulder and lap retractor fit the door frame? They could only sell these as 'passive' restraints for about two years before the NHTSA said 'yeah, right'. Then there's my favorite idiocy: when I had a Jeep CJ5, it only came with lap belts. I wanted shoulder restraints (something about not being impaled on a steering column that I found attractive:) but it didn't have lugs for the shoulder mount like the Wranglers and later CJ7s. So I put on a four point race harness (skipped the anti submarine strap). Which, had I been pulled over with it, I would have gotten an illegal equipment ticket. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25352 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Michael Troutman" , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: weather Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01bdf408$d07b5020$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19981009134412.00ddbc20@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Had that happen in Frostburg. Kinda neat to see half digested chicken wings melting through the snow (for once, it wasn't my barf. I resigned myself to toilets. BTW, don't ever puke in a shower. Chunks don't go down the drain. Someone in another dorm did this when I was in college. Then got the brilliant idea to turn on the shower to rinse it down:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 1:46 PM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'dc' > Subject: Re: weather > > > At 01:26 PM 10/9/98 , Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > >I work in an interior office, and radio reception sucks, so I generally > >leave real audio tuned in to some random country station.... > > > >Current weather in Sioux Falls South Freakin Dakot is sunny and 60 > >degrees!!! > >And what's it like outside here????..... this sucks :) > > A friend of mine used to go to school at UND. Its beautiful up there in > the summer (drove up once) but you would never envy them in the > winter. He > told me once (this kind of gross) that he drank too much one night and > vomited outside his dorm building in November. It was still > there in April. > > ugh. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:40 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25338 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: SV650 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: <005101bdf408$db7a8f40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981009.040935.8231.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Funny. Had I ever bought the Bandit, the first thing I'd do is ditch the fairing, and get a Speed Triple setup up front. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:41 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25340 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: <005001bdf408$d9b6e640$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE83@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 No, you have to see On Any Sunday and see the guy running that Grand Prix (somewhere in CA) with the dog on the tank. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 3:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) > > > Got some pics back today of the new puppy. > Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. > I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:43 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25342 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:59 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: weather Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01bdf408$ce516b40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65C@MSCEX> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Speak for yourself. The Belfast doesn't feel comfy until it's 60 degrees and drizzly. 50 and drizzly would be better... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 1:26 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: weather > > > I work in an interior office, and radio reception sucks, so I generally > leave real audio tuned in to some random country station.... > > Current weather in Sioux Falls South Freakin Dakot is sunny and 60 > degrees!!! > And what's it like outside here????..... this sucks :) > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:45 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25344 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , , , Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:55 -0400 Message-ID: <005301bdf408$dd93ab40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <2663e49.361e8f09@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nicotine is actually a downer. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 6:33 PM > To: tgimer@XXXXXX; Dysart@XXXXXX; BkrFamily@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Paid or not? > > > In a message dated 10/9/98 6:22:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tgimer@XXXXXX > writes: > > << After all, a study by Tony Pan Sanfelipo showed that smokers are more > productive workers than non-smokers, even when working fewer hours. > >> > > Apparently Nicotine is an upper Tony may be right. LOL > > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:47 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25346 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bdf408$d7749760$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981009.032650.8231.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > PS. FWIW, I usually get here about 1.5 to 2 hours before the store opens > and get a lot of my BS work done then, when there's no one around to > interrupt me. That leaves me more free time to put my finger on the pulse > of the local motorcyclist crowd during the day. Besides, it's the end of > the season and our floor traffic is much lighter :( than it was a month > ago. Come springtime, I won't be so conspicuous on the list... > > Y'all go out and visit your local dealer. We miss you. Plus the `99s are > starting to arrive... Even if your local dealer is Atlantic Cycle and Power? A few of the shop guys are okay, but the only salesman I really liked (there's one guy who's okay, but I don't *like* him) isn't there anymore. And they don't sell Triumphs anymore:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:49 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25348 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bdf408$cab028a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <6719be26.361e3f78@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I guarantee I'm not. While my boss/father gets all of the useful tidbits I pull off of mailing lists, company time is still company time. Still... Had I managed to score that free bike the other day, I'm sure he would have looked the other way:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX [mailto:BkrFamily@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 12:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Paid or not? > > > > > << my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him > to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm > supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> > > > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > ST > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:52 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25350 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01bdf408$cb88d560$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Wish more of our employees were like this. We used to let folks smoke inside, but Paris and the media generated frenzy over 'second hand smoke' (read some reputable medical journals, it's 99.99% bullpucky) have taken care of that problem. Smokers are just like the rats in a Skinner box. Give 'em their fix every so often, and they're fine. In the past, they never took a break. NEVER. Just lit up, and kept answering the phones, typing, etc... But now, they take their breaks like everyone else (5 minutes per hour for employees working longer than a four hour shift). Oh well. Just trying to keep the country's productivity growth down... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I > consider it > my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the > building. > > Glenn > > > > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 02:03:06 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28097 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-212.s212.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.212]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20623; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361EF8DA.FA8A657A@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:04:10 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions References: <004d01bdf408$cf2b9ea0$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Knee bar? What vintage rabbits? I don't remember these. I was wondering this myself... I had an 81 Rabbit and it didn't have such a beast..must be more vintage than that... ps: Do you ever sleep George?? :) hmm, I'm saying that as I sit here at 2 am....go figure... (kiddo decided to wake up 30 minutes after I went to bed at 1..grrr) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 02:06:12 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28319 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-212.s212.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.212]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20884; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361EF9BC.5FFA80EC@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:07:56 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Bikes R Us , cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV650 References: <005101bdf408$db7a8f40$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not so interested in the fairing aspect of the S model as I am the ride position... From the motomag pics, the S model has it's footpegs rearset, and the bars a few inches lower... I'd be looking at it as a potential racer someday...but until then I'd like one for sporty street rides.. Guess I'll still have to look for a good Ducati 900 SS/SP with the CR fairings on it... George Howell wrote: > > Funny. Had I ever bought the Bandit, the first thing I'd do is ditch the > fairing, and get a Speed Triple setup up front. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 06:31:45 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11511 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:31:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3QZMa02082; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <365a4b10.361f3759@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:30:49 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Out of context Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 9:27:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BkrFamily writes: << It came from a personal email to someone else who mistakenly replied to the list. >> Well, the subject lines changes within a thread and the many authors make difficult to follow who is saying what to whom, sorrry. But during the Vietnam War many Americans went to extraordinary lengths to avoid going into the military, particularly the Army or the Marines, without actually breaking the law. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 06:44:27 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11939 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:44:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6KUKa03786; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5e636692.361f3a64@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:43:48 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Out of context Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 10:56:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << so dont go spreading more left wing falsehoods. >> How about the Fascist Propaganda that is being spread? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 12:00:28 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24667 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 3YACa08736 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <614f5c41.361f846f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:59:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Care in forwarding & replies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Hi all, I'm sure everyone is aware of this problem, however, if a newbie to the list brings it up it may jog a few memoires. I would suggest that before you reply or forward a message you review the addresses your sending it to. If I want to reply to an individual I put them as the Send to address and cc the list. It seems to me the many just hit reply to all and the darn thing goes to people who may have stopped feeding the thread some time back. Also, when you copy a part of a message and hit reply it shows up as so & so wrote: when in fact someone else may have written the message. The last guy who forwarded a piece of it gets tagged as the author. And of course the next thing you know that person is getting credit or most likely flamed for something they never said in the first place. If we all just take a bit more time and really think about what were doing and where it's going before we hit the send button, we can greatly reduce the misunderstandings that seem to pop up. I know this is rather long and if you have taken the time to read this far thank you. I didn't think this list was going to be my cup of tea due to the riding style of most of the listers. I'm not a sport bike guy & I don't think to many of you are cruisers. However, I have seen a wide variety of opinions popping up over the last week about many issues. That part has been very interesting and entertaining for me. That being said, I think I'll hang around awhile as see how long you all can put up with me. Everyone enjoy what's left of our riding days; winter days are nipping at our heels. Ride Free! Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 16:57:39 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06195 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA06544; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810102059.QAA06544@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Care in forwarding & replies To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <614f5c41.361f846f@aol.com> from "BkrFamily@aol.com" at Oct 10, 98 11:59:43 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Hi all, Howdy, Ol' Man. Let me add one more plea: please, trim down quoted material. Quite often I have to download all messages via slow links from some forsken hotel, and it is a pain. > I didn't think this list was going to be my cup of tea due to the riding style > of most of the listers. I'm not a sport bike guy & I don't think to many of > you are cruisers. However, I have seen a wide variety of opinions popping up Riding style or bikes ? Looks like you pay more attention to bikes then to riding style. Jon some of the groups; you might get surprised. > > Everyone enjoy what's left of our riding days; winter days are nipping at our > heels. > OFOFB group made today a nice run: Leesburg via fast roads past Fredrick, rt 40 west rt 57 north, rt 30 west rt 522 north ( very nice, sight seeing, picture taking area ) rt 22 west rt 655 south to Hancock ( ymmm yumm.. great road, almost no cars, plenty of 3D activity ( left up right down left down right up); from Hancock rt 522 to Winchester, visit Valley Cycle - they have a nice 96 GPZ with 10k miles for 5.9k, and a very clean and gorgeous 96 Honda CBR1000F for 6k. also, Duck ST2 and Monster. John wanted to swap his VFR for ST2, I wanted to add Monster as a second bike - but owner of Valley was very eager to give both bikes away for a 1$. Weather was cold/wet in the beginning, but after 11:00 sun and blue sky was ours. great ride, lot of fun, cruising pace.... > Ride Free! > Steel Trap > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 18:30:50 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09560 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981010222946.13620.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:29:46 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Care in forwarding & replies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii are you saying that they gave the bikes away for 1$. ??? ---zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > visit Valley Cycle - > - but owner of Valley was very eager to give both > bikes away for a 1$. > == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 19:35:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12099 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04277 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02376 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-24.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.24]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id TAA28355 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810102332.TAA28355@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:31:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Any ERCs still going? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MVA up here in MD said that the MSF ERCs are full/done for the season. Anyone know of one, or where to call, to get into one in the DC/VA area? Any instructors on the list want to put together a dc-cycles class? :) MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 19:35:39 1998 Return-Path: true@XXXXXX Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12256 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-24.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.24]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id TAA28326 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810102332.TAA28326@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:21:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Care in forwarding & replies In-Reply-To: <614f5c41.361f846f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's interesting that this came up, since I've been too lazy to say anything about it until now... There's something about the delivery of this list that is different from all other lists I'm on, or have been on. Generally, when I reply to a message sent by a mailer daemon (i.e., a "list" message), the reply-to sends my reply right back to the list address. This makes sense to me, as the "norm" for a mailing list is group discussion, so that's where I'd want it to go. If I have something private to say to someone or want to make a direct comment, I put in that recipient's address instead. When I first started on dc-cycles, I noticed that the default reply was to the original sender of the message. So, if Dale posted a message to dc-cycles and it's forwarded to me from the list server, and I just hit Reply, the message would go to Dale directly, and not to the list at all. To get around this (I use Eudora), I changed the configuration item that says something like "make Crtl-R Reply to All", which basically scans the headers (not just the Reply-To) and puts anything in the To: field that qualifies as an address. In the end, this solves my problem of reverse behavior on this list, but it may send extra copies of the message out -- one to the list, one to the sender, and probably one to anyone else who was cc'd or otherwise involved in the original message. It doesn't bother me, since things work without too much effort, but if it's a problem for anyone else, I'd suggest taking a look at the mail server and getting it to behave more like the rest of the world. :) Any thoughts from the more mailer-experienced folks out there? MET At 11:59 AM 10/10/98 , BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: >Hi all, >I'm sure everyone is aware of this problem, however, if a newbie to the list >brings it up it may jog a few memoires. I would suggest that before you reply >or forward a message you review the addresses your sending it to. If I want >to reply to an individual I put them as the Send to address and cc the list. >It seems to me the many just hit reply to all and the darn thing goes to >people who may have stopped feeding the thread some time back. > <...snip...> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 19:42:54 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from brap-3.cais.net (brap-3.cais.net [205.252.14.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12521 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (dynamic23.cais.com [207.226.56.23]) by brap-3.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA00638 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000001bdf4c0$254c56a0$1738e2cf@default> From: "Mike B." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:30:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c Bill Clinton is only a symptom of a greater illness, infecting our Government. Morals Dignity Honor Leadership ability People with these Characteristics do not become professional politicians, they go out and make a difference. Like Gen. Powell Politicians certainly can emulate them, but they dont have much need for them after November. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R >Face it, our President is totally without honor. In public he will say >and do whatever he thinks is best for his career. In private he will >say and do whatever he damn well pleases. His private words/deeds have >no corelation whatsoever with his public words/deeds. > >Leon. > >Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >>...if Barbara Bush >> ran for president they'd probably say she worked in a brothel :-O sad >> state of affairs, eh? >> > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 21:36:36 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16920 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06684; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810110138.VAA06684@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Care in forwarding & replies To: tleatsducks@XXXXXX (Craig) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981010222946.13620.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> from "Craig" at Oct 10, 98 03:29:46 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > are you saying that they gave the bikes away for 1$. ??? > oops, I missed "not". > > > > ---zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > visit Valley Cycle - > > - but owner of Valley was very eager to give both was _not_ very eager .... > > bikes away for a 1$. > > > > == > > "Corner Carving Crazy" > Blue TL > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 22:21:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18604 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05831 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04064 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Chev1958@XXXXXX Received: from Chev1958@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7HKRa19214; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:20:54 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <87399b0f.36201606@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:20:54 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Winchester Indian this weekend? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Can't go Sunday because of church obligations. I miss out on a lot of those rides. I'd like to go Monday, if you have Columbus Day off. I'm trying my best to get hooked up with some of you. Mitch Holmes 86 Honda Magna From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 23:24:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21033 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06392 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04944 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa (207-172-75-221.s221.tnt3.man.erols.com [207.172.75.221]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24728 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36202397.7619@erols.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:18:47 -0400 From: "Gary F. Meyering" Reply-To: panthera@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Country Roads Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Accolades to Anita Lauro. She put on a terrific ride for us today and if you couldn't make it, then you really missed out. Don't worry though, I think she is making her route sheet public domain and I don't think you'd have to twist her arm too hard to get her to host a repeat (sorry Anita, I think I may have just volunteered your services without your permission). :-) And by the way, judging from what I saw, she put alot of hard work and planning into making this ride a success. {{Of course it would have even been better if a couple of us didn't go tearing off and get lost. Naughty naughty. :-o }} Anyway, thanks Anita. Also, it was nice to meet all the rest of you nice folks on the ride, this was my first DC-Cycles event. Hasta, Gary (the quiet lurker on the list) Meyering 1997 Moto Guzzi Sport 1100i 1996 Triumph Trident 900 1987 Honda XR600R From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 00:15:43 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23073 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-17.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.58]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA22912 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:15:40 -0400 Message-ID: <057301bdf4cd$a14ea200$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: How I spent my Saturday vacation Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:13:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 A. Purchased and installed at dealer a new windshield B. While doing so, paused to conduct an open clinic on centerstand use for an inquiring newbie Honda owner. A heavier bike, saddlebags prevented normal good right hand purchase. Showed him how to vertical the bike, then weight the stand and rock back (which was more difficult than mine). Another fellow showed a pull-from-the-rear-approach. But, as I had learned quickly when first faced with my c/s operation, one does not off-stand a bike from the side. One straddles the bike and rolls it forward. This I clearly emphasized several times (3?) as we all were going through the process. "No, No, Straddle the Bike or you'll have problems." So, after finishing with that interlude, and he helping me a bit with my windshield, he prepares to leave on the c/standed bike. I catch, out of the corner of my eye, his stand by the side of the bike, grab of the left grip, grab of the backrest, and roll forward off the stand, with appropriate no-brake, wheel turned, near-death struggle. I walk over and remind him once more. I pray for his bike's future. The pains and joys of skills training. C. Had a 75ish woman (a closet biker chick?), waiting for relative visiting dealer, question whether my vivid orange helmet was purchased with Halloween in mind. This sent me into prolonged chuckles (only somewhat controlled) the likes of which not experienced for a moon or two. Made note to thrash this idea about (Vampire Vulcan, broombike, . . ..) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Back in the saddle after 11-day trip Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 00:21:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23164 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07925 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06926 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.25]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:18:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: SV650 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bdf4ce$8c2335c0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981010.005445.8119.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Had I kept my BMW Roadster, it would be apart in my parents' garage now (instead of the Wing) getting the dual headlight install. Despite Gil's luck with Buell's, those sorts of bikes are pretty darned cool. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Hooligan! > > JohnDavid > --Bikes R Us-- > So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) > > On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:51 -0400 "George Howell" > writes: > >Funny. Had I ever bought the Bandit, the first thing I'd do is ditch > >the fairing, and get a Speed Triple setup up front. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 11:07:24 1998 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18267 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:07:22 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3DGUa17823 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:06:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: buying used Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I think there are two issues here. One, can you test ride it and two, can you return it later if you find something wrong. I would definitely not buy it unless you can take it out for a 5 or 10 minute spin. If you give the guy the keys to your car and wallet while you ride he shouldn't have a problem. As far as returning it I think you're pushing it shouldn't expect him to agree to that. If I were selling a bike, no matter what the condition, I would never agree to that. You could take it out, trash it in a week and bring it back saying it had a problem prior to you buying it. If you're concerned about the shape of the bike, insist that he take it to a shop and have it inspected on your nickel. Since you are paying the shop should tell you (not necessarily him) what the problems are, if any. They WILL take it out for a test drive to ensure its safety. I did this when I purchased my bike. If he won't agree to this at your cost then walk away, he is hiding something. - KO In a message dated 10/9/98 8:37:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MARKSOMM@XXXXXX writes: << Subj: buying used Date: 10/9/98 8:37:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just agreed to buy a '91 VFR with 12K miles, Givi luggage, Corbin seat, center stand, great shape for $3500. However, I insisted that I be allowed to drive it around a bit and return it for a refund within a certain time period if I wasn't satisfied with the way it ran. The owner refused and the deal fell through. I was concerned that it might have a problem that wouldn't show up until it started moving, like a bad transmission perhaps. The owner seemed honest and the bike looked very well cared for. I just didn't feel comfortable about handing over a big chunk of cash without riding the bike a bit. The fact that it had dead tags and no insurance made it more complicated. I was willing to title and insure it but the guy insisted that once I had the title the bike was not returnable. I guess that I could still call him back and buy it. What do you think folks? Am I being unreasonable? Is it a good deal I'm letting slip away? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 13:14:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23057 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14453 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14313 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.20]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:11:41 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mark E. Truelove" , Subject: RE: Any ERCs still going? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:14:28 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01bdf53a$9a6d3b00$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199810102332.TAA28355@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Here's another willing to take the course. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark E. Truelove [mailto:true@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 1998 7:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Any ERCs still going? > > > > MVA up here in MD said that the MSF ERCs are full/done for the season. > Anyone know of one, or where to call, to get into one in the DC/VA area? > > Any instructors on the list want to put together a dc-cycles class? :) > > MET > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > ======================================================================= > From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 13:22:26 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23438 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA10152; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:23:33 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010145; Sun, 11 Oct 98 13:23:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0O008C1AWMFB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525669A.005F0F28 ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:18:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:20:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Care in forwarding & replies To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525669A.005F1AF0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL If you ride all year, you get more riding days ... I think you will also be suprised by the amount of people on this list that ride year-round. Actually some of us demented types prefer the cold. :-) --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Date: 10/10/98 03:59:43 PM GMT Subject: Care in forwarding & replies --snip-- Everyone enjoy what's left of our riding days; winter days are nipping at our heels. Ride Free! Steel Trap ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 15:05:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27342 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15366 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15509 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA05206; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:01:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wbg-va2-12.ix.netcom.com(205.184.195.76) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005184; Sun Oct 11 14:01:00 1998 Message-ID: <362129E9.88D111D8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:58:01 -0700 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "Mark E. Truelove" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any ERCs still going? References: <005b01bdf53a$9a6d3b00$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm would like to take the course if it is offered. Ed Hand George Howell wrote: > Here's another willing to take the course. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark E. Truelove [mailto:true@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 1998 7:32 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Any ERCs still going? > > > > > > > > MVA up here in MD said that the MSF ERCs are full/done for the season. > > Anyone know of one, or where to call, to get into one in the DC/VA area? > > > > Any instructors on the list want to put together a dc-cycles class? :) > > > > MET > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > > ======================================================================= > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 16:56:41 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01802 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA00699; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:55:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv13-75.ix.netcom.com(204.32.189.75) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000687; Sun Oct 11 15:55:36 1998 Message-ID: <36211AED.CD0C6E03@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:54:06 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Ride on Monday? Winchester Indian? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I trashed the message about a ride to Winchester Indian on Monday, I cant recall who sent it. Is anyone doing a ride tomorrow, would try and join you if I can get a sitter on short notice. -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 18:11:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04614 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17055 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19157 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WYOCa29193 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5470cc91.36212cd0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:10:24 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Party info (the 24th?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I deleted all the party info but now Im free to come. Can someone please forward me the information again? RSVP to whoever is holding it. Cant remember. Thanks. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 19:03:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06628 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17504 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19924 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-38-32.s32.tnt8.ann.erols.com [207.172.38.32]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20008; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36213B42.E1A5DA99@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:12:02 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Party info (the 24th?) References: <5470cc91.36212cd0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack and anyone else needing it... here's the info URL: http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ RSVP to Todd Peer... WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: Can someone please > forward me the information again? _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 19:56:26 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08650 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3NVUa03786 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:55:14 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Hit from Behind Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Before everyone hears about it in Brad's report on our Sunday ride here it is. Jon and his FZR took us on a wonderful ride through Howard county, great road selection but Brad will describe this for you later. before lunch at Ellicott City, Brad advised us that his bike was having problems again and after a thorough dismantlement Jon and I could only point to a spark plug problem. then an acquaintance of Jon's who lives in the area showed up and said that he would try to find a plug while we had lunch. This fellow (Ryan), quite nice didn't find a plug but said he would lead us to a car parts shop which might have it. On the way two bikes pass us coming from the other way and Ryan waves to them to turn around and follow. I follow Jon and Ryan with Brad (fellow lister on 500 Ninja) behind. Jon and Ryan fly around a few corners with me following and approach a stop sign. I start to slow down and whammo, something hits me from behind and to the left. Color is the same as Brad's bike and I think, shit Brad who has been a cautious rider who knows his limits has crashed into me smashed my foot against my bike and almost made me fall (here is the one time race experience helped, I didn't fall). I look behind and I see a red bike on the ground and I see my left foot peg and shifter dangling and my foot hurts. Well to make a long story short, the guy (very nice young fellow) was apologetic and said "I was dumb". I was a little pissed off and wasn't as nice as I could be since the guy may have broken his shoulder and was bloody. Anyway at the car shop we figured out a way to mount the peg onto a foot guard with holes on it and a fellow at the show (older than me) and a Guzzi owner went and straightened the shift rod and I was able to make it home with Brad (who was running on one cyclinder) shifting with my hand at first without the clutch then learning how to use my aching foot to shift. Moral of the story, don't have people you don't know join a ride, it is dangerous. The bike has easily $1000 damage if I do the work myself. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 22:09:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13622 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19058 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23033 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:09:05 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WCPKa02343; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:08:20 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <17dbcb7c.36216494@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:08:20 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/11/98 8:03:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: << Moral of the story, don't have people you don't know join a ride, it is dangerous. The bike has easily $1000 damage if I do the work myself. >> $1000, huh? consider yourself lucky.... Im just getting mine out of the shop this week from an accident in late august.... damage = $6000. same sorta scenario.. hit from behind and all.. except I ended up falling as well as the bike. Anyway, glad to hear your ok. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 22:41:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14799 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19309 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24283 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup25.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0P00CZL0SSBS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:41:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:37:19 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Hit from Behind To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003b01bdf5a2$626a90a0$d94337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >In a message dated 10/11/98 8:03:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< Moral of the story, don't have people you don't know join a ride, it is > dangerous. The bike has easily $1000 damage if I do the work myself. >> > >$1000, huh? consider yourself lucky.... Im just getting mine out of the shop >this week from an accident in late august.... damage = $6000. same sorta >scenario.. hit from behind and all.. except I ended up falling as well as the >bike. Anyway, glad to hear your ok. > >Sean... Odd thing is, I was present at both accidents and was around for 2 of Scott's.......... hmmmmm either I'm lucky that it's not me that's being hit or the people who I am with are unlucky and absorb my bad luck vibes....... Jon "spooky FZR" From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 22:50:58 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA15270 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981012025131.27888.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send102.yahoomail.com; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:51:31 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:51:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Hit from Behind To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fred ,sorry to hear about that, but I am glad you are ok... Sean, So Now we have all the pieces.... That is what Scott Rush was eluding too before... You (Sean) did not wreck your bike as we all thought,,,, But Scott Rush ran into the back of you... I want to apologize to you Sean as I too thought you went over backwards and wrecked... Now the story makes much more sense...Sorry to hear that the damage was so much and hope your bike will be like new again and that your foot is all healed. ---CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/11/98 8:03:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Moral of the story, don't have people you don't know join a ride, it is > dangerous. The bike has easily $1000 damage if I do the work myself. >> > > > $1000, huh? consider yourself lucky.... Im just getting mine out of the shop > this week from an accident in late august.... damage = $6000. same sorta > scenario.. hit from behind and all.. except I ended up falling as well as the > bike. Anyway, glad to hear your ok. > > Sean... > == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 11 22:53:52 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15280 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup25.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0F0P008PR1CTA3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:53:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:49:20 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Hit from Behind To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <004001bdf5a4$0f7af540$d94337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Fred is very lucky that he didn't go down as well, if you can call that lucky. He really got wacked and never saw it coming. It's amazing, the shift linkage rod was bent at a 90 degree angle! What makes it worse is that the guy still doesn't know why he decided to pass someone on the inside of a left hand turn with a stop sign at the end of it. Dumb ass lost the front, must have hit the brake. Fred, I give you credit for keeping your head and not exploding on him. I would have kicked him right on his bruised shoulder and thrown his bike into oncoming traffic. 8^P Jon "spooky FZR" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 03:51:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA27377 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23403 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28473 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WLXGa13873 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <130c5ca5.3621b4d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 03:50:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: A few TL/bike questions..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on a few things for me: My TL has started blowing ignition fuses, 2 fuses in two days and damn near left me stranded. What could be causing it? I put 100/80 headlight bulbs in but I dont think that could cause ignition switch fuses to blow after 20 minutes of riding. Also, I just put on some Yosh Carbon slip ons exhaust cans on. They sound GREAT but I have blue flames shooting out of the cans. Cool afterburner effect and all but not normal. Im sure others have had this so whats the solution? Im getting the Dynojet Power Commander (for tweaking the Fuel Injection mappings) shortly so if its a a rich/lean issue then I can handle it. Thanks a bunch... Jack (going to buy a big box of 10amp fuses tomorrow) Christmas Tree TL1000 (left side red, right side green...actually looks kinda neat) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 07:17:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05082 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25177 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00573 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WTNGa02302; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396bfe17.3621e50f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:16:31 EDT To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/11/98 10:08:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CloudsAbv9 writes: << $1000, huh? consider yourself lucky. >> Just an estimate, I might be surprised at the price for some of the castings. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 07:35:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05818 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25300 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00706 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:34:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WKCRa13872; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7308309a.3621e92a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:34:02 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A few TL/bike questions..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/12/98 3:58:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << I put 100/80 headlight bulbs in but I dont think that could cause ignition switch fuses to blow after 20 minutes of riding. >> Depending how it is wired it just might. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 08:29:11 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07907 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29772 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23123 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810121229.IAA23123@shell.clark.net> Subject: Interesting Sunday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:29:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Yesterday was an interesting day for me, motorcycle-wise. First I was in Ocean City, visiting a friend of mine. There was a new motorcycle dealership opening up. I won't mention the brand, as I don't want to start a new brand war. Anyhow, I stopped in to see if they were having any specials on anything I'd want. (they didn't). But one thing I did see was they had some toy motorcycles, like matchbox car size. But what caught my interest was that out of the three different ones I saw, one was a motorcycle on a trailer being pulled by a truck, another was a motorcycle in the trailer of a pick-up truck. The third was just a motorcycle. Geeze, seems like they support trailering your bike. On the way back to Virginia, on Rt. 50, I was waving at all the motorcyclists coming the other way. Most of them waved back. Then I noticed a very unique bike, a light blue with matching saddle bags... Mid-wave it hit me that it was Linda Tanner. Finally, I went to the Springfield Mall (to check on a friend's bridal registary). I was in the parking garage, looking for a space. As I was riding down, there was a woman and her daughter (5ish) walking up the aisle, on the left side. The girl was on the left side of her mother. When her mother saw me, she pulled the girl over to the other side, away from me, and slightly behind, and gave me a nasty look. I was really surprised. I didn't think I looked like the "Evil-Biker-Scum-wanna-take-your-daughter" type that day. And it's not like the Concours has loud "Life-Saving" pipes. I hope she doesn't teach her daughter to hate motorcycles. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 08:47:51 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08405 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA01168 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:43:47 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:43:47 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF38545E@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hit from Behind Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:47:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Moral of the story, don't have people you don't know join a > ride, it is dangerous. With all due respect - if we followed that advice, we'd all be riding alone... We (as a group) need to communicate our habits/protocols to new riders so they will know what to expect and how to behave - if they don't feel confortable with what the group is comfortable with, they're free to ride alone (or with others who feel as they do) I ride differently in a group than I do solo - and until recently, I rode differently with the CAMS than I did with DC-Cycles (CAMS is looking more and more like DC-Cycles every day - we're taking over, Nya-ha-ha!) Michael J. Oh yes - glad to hear that you're still in one piece with only some bent bike bits to take care of. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 09:14:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09583 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26636 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wxserver.aws.com (known aws.com [204.156.11.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02582 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jonjon.aws.com ([204.156.11.16]) by wxserver.aws.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA320 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:14:03 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:14:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDF5C0.AC563A20.dbiser@aws.com> From: dbiser@XXXXXX (Don Biser) Reply-To: "dbiser@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Any ERCs still going? Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:14:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 46 TEXT I would also like to take the course, If offered. Donnie Biser 'newbie' no-bike -----Original Message----- From: Ed Hand [SMTP:ehand@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, October 11, 1998 5:58 PM To: George Howell Cc: Mark E. Truelove; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any ERCs still going? I'm would like to take the course if it is offered. Ed Hand George Howell wrote: > Here's another willing to take the course. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark E. Truelove [mailto:true@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 1998 7:32 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Any ERCs still going? > > > > > > > > MVA up here in MD said that the MSF ERCs are full/done for the season. > > Anyone know of one, or where to call, to get into one in the DC/VA area? > > > > Any instructors on the list want to put together a dc-cycles class? :) > > > > MET > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > > ======================================================================= > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 09:32:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10152 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26830 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03376 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRC479JH; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:31:36 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit from behind Message-ID: <19981011.234901.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:31:36 EDT Oooch, eeech, ouch, oooch. Hope everything works out okay for you. JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 09:31:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10149 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26824 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03369 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:31:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA12242; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525669B.00710DE2 ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:30:18 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: "George Howell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525669B.0049C5C5.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:25:39 -0400 Subject: RE: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi George (and all), Sorry I never got back to you about going to W.I....I'm not able to access this account from home on the weekends, which is why I left my home phone number...I hope you didn't try to call while my girlfriend was surfing the net for a short while Saturday morning. Anyway, they weren't open on Sunday so I had to go Saturday...you're right about the owner, Carl...really nice guy, and he definitely loves to talk. At one point I was asking about pricing and payment options, and he thought I was starting to dicker the price...so he actually talked himself down on the price while I just stood there with a smile on my face. Then I explained the misinterpretation and we both had a chuckle. :-) Anyway, it was a shame that they only had one Enfield that had been sitting unused for over 6 months, so it wasn't in optimal running condition. I did get to ride it around the parking lot, but thats not really enough to convince me on a bike. Carl is going to get a few more, at which time I head back there for a proper test ride. Although its a pretty archaic bike, the thing I like about it is that Enfield India has been producing the 350 for like the past 40 years, with little or no changes. The 500 was apparently started to satisfy the import market, and has only been in production for 8 years or so (basically just a bored-out 350. I'd definitely go for the 500, but the 350 has nicer fenders and such. I'll still probably opt for a standard (painted fenders, less chrome, etc.) 500 model if I do buy the bike, and try to obtain 350 fenders at a later date. Another interesting option Carl showed me is that the company is going to start producing cafe racer accessories...a cafe style tank and seat reminiscent of a Norton Manx, along with straight bars and no front fender...very nice as shown in the picture. Carl said he's determined to keep the bikes under $4000 "out the door" (which includes tax, etc.)...the model I'm looking at has a price of $3850, but cash definitely seems to "talk " for him, and he seems flexible. All in all an excellent day at Winchester Indian! One sad note, though...Carl, who is now an authorized Triumph dealer, said they've discontinued the standard Thunderbird for 99...they only have the Trident TT, the Thunderbird Sport, and the Adventurer in that classic look now. They also have some vintage bikes there for sale, including a Triumph Bonneville 750 (I think thats what it was)... Anyway, I'll probably be heading down there sometime soon, if anyone wants to join me. -Doug To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) The current Enfield is only available as the bullet single. They are built in India (some firm bought out the factory and tooling when the company folded). I think they go for around $5000 or so, depending on paint jobs and whatnot. I'd suggest you go up there. I've only been there twice, and had trouble getting out of there in under two hours both times. The owner (name eludes me) just loves talking. And he's very enthusiastic about the... niche bikes he sells. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [mailto:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 11:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) > > > > > Just checked out the Winchester Indian site...I didn't know that Enfield > still produces m/cs...are they actually made at the same factory as the > classics, or is it more of an Asian deal now? Too bad all they make is a > single (looked like it from the picture)...anyone know if that's the case, > or does W.I. only stock the single. I'm looking for a bike with a classic > look but new internals...my next bike will probably be a Triumph > Thunderbird Sport if I buy new. Or a Sunbeam S-8 if I buy old... > > BTW, Paul - I lost the number of that guy who does the classic > bike work on > the side...any chance you can resend? > > Just wondering... > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Carver, John" , "'Todd Peer'" > , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > > http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ That's for Winchester Indian. Velorex is a rather inexpensive hack imported by American Jawa. Czech manufacturer, I think. Quality is okay, they are a bit light. But, they are cheap. Only $1400. Nowhere near as many doodads as a Hannigan. But I can't see spending $3500 for a hack to put on a $1000 bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'George Howell' > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > <> > > > What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. > > John Carver > '98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 10:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11436 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:01:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id KAA17019 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525669B.00718044 ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:59:33 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles Message-ID: <8525669B.004A6E3E.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:33:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Ride on Monday? Winchester Indian? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I was the guy going to Winchester Indian, but I have to work today (Monday) :-( Seems like a nice ride out there, though...I was in the cage (but looking for my next bike). Have fun today...I'll be in the office, boo hoo :-( -Doug To: dc-cycles cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Ride on Monday? Winchester Indian? I trashed the message about a ride to Winchester Indian on Monday, I cant recall who sent it. Is anyone doing a ride tomorrow, would try and join you if I can get a sitter on short notice. -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 10:14:08 1998 Return-Path: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11920 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id KOHOa03785; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9dcbd508.36220e58@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:12:40 EDT To: zellto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: buying used Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-10-11 23:51:56 EDT, you write: > When I bought my VFR, I was given a one hour refund policy... as long as I > didn't drop it I could bring it back within an hour of the sale to get a > refund. That was pretty reasonable in my book. Who owns it? I might know > the guy and may be able to let you in on stuff about the bike. > Hey Tom, A one hour period would have been ok with me but the guy wouldn't go for that. There's been a little back and forth, but to cut a long story short, he is now willing to take it to a mechanic for inspection. The owner's name is Joe Anderson and he bought the bike from a Navy officer who was a cornerworker (or similar) at Summit point until he moved to California a couple of years ago. Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 10:29:14 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12717 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA21388; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:28:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981012142825.ZURI22777@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:28:25 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: buying used Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:27:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdf5ec$6a8f38e0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <687ed16f.361eaa72@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Mark, I say go with your first gut reaction. The bike SOUNDS like a good deal for the mileage, but given you were willing to pay for the bike first and THEN test ride it, but the guy said no I'd beware. Todd Mark wrote > > I just agreed to buy a '91 VFR with 12K miles, Givi luggage, Corbin seat, > center stand, great shape for $3500. However, I insisted that I > be allowed to > drive it around a bit and return it for a refund within a certain > time period > if I wasn't satisfied with the way it ran. The owner refused and the deal > fell through. I was concerned that it might have a problem that > wouldn't show > up until it started moving, like a bad transmission perhaps. The > owner seemed > honest and the bike looked very well cared for. I just didn't feel > comfortable about handing over a big chunk of cash without riding > the bike a > bit. The fact that it had dead tags and no insurance made it more > complicated. I was willing to title and insure it but the guy > insisted that > once I had the title the bike was not returnable. I guess that I > could still > call him back and buy it. What do you think folks? Am I being > unreasonable? > Is it a good deal I'm letting slip away? > > Mark Sommerfield > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 10:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13626 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 329; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:16:02 -0400 Message-ID: <36210428.B4933070@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:16:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Care in forwarding & replies References: <8525669A.005F1AF0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Actually some of us demented types prefer the cold. :-) > Well, this demented type prefers the cool, not the cold. :) Anything down to about 40 degrees is ok. 30 degrees is tolerable for commuting, if the roads are dry. 18 degrees (like last year's PARR Polar Bear Run on New Year's Day, qualifies as cold in my book. But it warmed up to about 25 or 30 later on that day, so even that wasn't too bad. I'll probably do it again this year. :) I hate ice, though. Ice sucks. Ice makes me take a cage, blech! Yep, I hate ice. :( Anyway, regards. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 11:05:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14123 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28220 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06835 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:04:58 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WFKHa22759; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8d93d64.36221a72@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:04:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Jon's luck.. or is it ours? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I never put two and two together... but now I see. All the accidents we've been hearing about on this list.. its all on Jon. He's been present at 3, countem 3 accidents... maybe he's the lone gunman on the grassy knoll. ;) Just pullin your chain jon... that is quite a coincidence though. You should take a camera when you ride, you could really help some of our cases... ;) Talk to you later... Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 11:09:31 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14133 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:05:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" , "'macgregor@XXXXXX'" , "'Melecourt@XXXXXX'" , "'hblank@XXXXXX'" Subject: Mr. Gravel isn't your friend, but Mr. Faceshield is Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:05:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I, too, had a bit of misfortune Saturday, but I have no one to blame but myself. This is my first year riding. Saturday was my first group ride, actually my first ride ever with anybody else, and I was a tad nervous about keeping up with everyone or looking stupid. Anita said it was gonna be a moderate pace, though, so I thought I'd give it a try. A chance to learn from other riders, and meet some of the people on the list. It was a lot of fun. It was great being able to keep up with the group, and not feel completely out of my league. Anita took us down some great roads, and I had a lot of fun riding with a pack, and watching the people in front of me all lean at the same point, and feeling myself (basically) following the same line. And then, in the afternoon, I mentally punted. Anita and I were just caught up with the part of the group that was riding ahead, and had pulled over on a side street. Anita stopped at the front of the line, and I thought I'd pull in at the end of the line. This required me turning down the side street and doing a u-turn. Two things started the problem. One, I was going too fast (about 10mph, or so), and two, I guess part of me decided that I didn't need to be as careful since I was going so slow, and that I was simply coming to a stop. I was picturing how to park the bike, not how I was going to get from here to there. Big mental vacation. Then reality set in, in the form of a big pile of gravel. So, basically, I was braking and turning while riding through gravel. I noticed it, and didn't even have time to mentally say the word "fuck". I got the "f" sound out, and then I was face down in the gravel, sliding. My next thought was "face shields rule!", I kid you not, as I slid over the gravel. I was sitting up as the others started asking if I was alright. Ya, bleeding at the elbows and knees, and a sore wrist, but alright. The Honda was on its side, leaking gas through the cap, which kinda freaked me (I was in a gas fire once), but the others got it back on the center stand, and the bike looked pretty good for all of its abuse. While I was walking around, fidgeting, and basically buring off the adrenaline, Anita got out her toolkit and everyone looked over my bike, looking for problems. One of the handlebars had to be readjusted, my right front turn signal lost its lens cap, the reflector on the radiator is splintered, the muffler has new scratchs to join the old ones, and something is lightly rubbing on the front wheel. It was more than able to be ridden, though. Still, I feel really shitting for abusing such a cool bike. Two days later my right knee is still stiff and scabbed over, my right shoulder is kinda pissed at me, and my left wrist aches. And my wife is _really_ unamused with me. She says I can't ride until I figure out what's rubbing on the front wheel, and that we can't afford to have it fixed for at least another paycheck. Feh. I'm pretty clueless with tools, and a little leary of playing with front brakes as my first project, so I guess I'll wait, which is probably best for her anyway. She was far more wigged about the whole accident thing than I was. And I can't recommend enought that if you're gonna crash, always crash with a full pit crew. Anita, Tom, Gary, and Jim have my eternal thanks for taking care of my bike while I tried to figure out how much I was actually bleeding (not much except ofr the knee), and for not making me feel like an idiot (I can do that all by myself, thank you...). Thanks for Gary for offering to leave the ride if I wanted to just head straight home. And thanks to Ursulina for selling me such a nifty jacket. A learning experience you can ride away from isn't something to complain about. And if this keeps me from taking a mental vacation for the rest of my riding career, then I'm not gonna bitch at all. At least I didn't take enyone else out with me. That would have _really_ sucked. -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 11:14:33 1998 Return-Path: brad@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.pgcc.net ([204.91.230.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14491 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by ns2.pgcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA21143 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:27:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Ride Report (kinda long) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, my first "group" ride... and what a ride it was! Being new to the list, and fairly new to riding in general, I was a bit nervous about trying to keep up with others, especially Fred, who I had followed back from Summit Point one weekend. (If you've ever ridden with him, I suspect you understand...) As it turned out, I would have other things to worry about... The bikes were: 1998 Ninja 500 - Me 1998 ZX-9R - Fred ???? FZR - Jon (I forget the year, even though Jon did tell me.) with Jon leading the way, followed by Fred and then me. 9:30am - Met Fred at Borders for coffee. About 15 minutes later, Jon showed up on his FZR. Talked for a while, then watched as the red TLS and yellow Night Hawk we were waiting for drove by on Rt. 50. Waited about another 10 minutes, then decided to hit the road. Sorry guys. Borders is a bit hard to see from 50 or 301. Hope to meet you next time. 10:15am - Follow Jon down 32 to Dorsey Run Road, I believe. Tromp through some very nice roads for the next hour / hour and a half. Beautiful country scenery, though the road did get a bit bumpy at one point. Fred and Jon were kind enough to wait at stop signs when I fell too far behind. Highlight of this part - Fred lifted a nice wheelie accelerating after a turn. 12:00 - Roll into Elicot city. My bike decides to all of a sudden have the same problem it just spent two weeks in the shop for. Now limping along on one cylinder (this really sucks when all you've got are two!). We park the bikes to take a look. A guy Jon knows (Ryan, I think his name was) pulls up, and offers to check his supply of parts for a plug to fit my bike. We decide to head down to luch at The Trolly Stop. Good food, bad Coke. :-) Ryan meets us there shortly, but with no plug. No problem, he says, there's an auto parts store right up the road, they should be able to find something to fit the bike. 2:15 - Riding over to the auto store, two other bikes pull in behind me. Coming around a curve to a stop sign, I glance in my mirror and notice that one of the bikes is accelerating and looking like he's going to go around me. So, I move a bit more to the right, and watch as he goes flying by me at about 35-40 mph. (Remeber, we're about 30 yards from a stop.) I watch, a bit surreally , as he slams dead-on into Fred's right side. Fred wobbles rather violently, somehow manages to keep it up, but the other guy goes down hard.I remember thinking as I swerved how lucky it was for this guy that he was wearing a full-face helmet... I don't think he was wearing any gloves, because his hands were pretty scratched up. Past that, he came away with a badly bruised shoulder and a hefty repair bill. The bump tore off Fred's left foot peg / shifter assembly, ripped the rear-left turn signal most of the way off, cracked some of that wonderful blue fairing, and gave Fred's foot a pain I'm sure will be around most of the week. When Fred got off the bike and lifted the visor, I was thinking the other guy might be better off if he stayed down and played dead or something... The reason for the stupid move? He apparently knew Ryan, and wanted to catch up and tell him that he couldn't go riding today. Uhhh, yeah. 3:00 - Well, the auto store DIDN'T have a plug to fit my bike. On the bright side, Fred seemed to have managed to mount the footpeg / shifter onto the bike. I think some apoxy was involved... so forget duct tape guys, carry apoxy in your tank bags! :-) Jon says something to the effect of "I think I'm going home before something else happens -- two out of three is plenty...". Fred and I decided to head for home via the most direct route. Sorry Jon, I didn't actually say goodbye. My ride home was rather vibration-ish, and did a good job at numbing my hands, feet legs, etc... :-) Fred's bike seemed fine all the way. I hope the repair process goes smoothly for you. All in all: A great ride out, and downhill from there. Jon if you would, could I have the name of at least some of the roads on the route? I wouldn't mind riding them again, though maybe at a bit slower pace. :-) So, anyone up for riding this Saturday? ;-> --Brad "It's too bad ignorance isn't painful." From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 11:17:14 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14560 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zSjiT-0000Rq-01; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:16:57 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:15:30 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE90@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Care in forwarding & replies Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:13:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree, I went on the CAMS polar bear ride, that was cold. - Jeannette > 18 degrees > (like last year's PARR Polar Bear Run on New Year's Day, > qualifies as cold in my book. > > Anyway, regards. > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 11:19:54 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14586 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA09855; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:19:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981012151917.NDV22777@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:19:17 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Hit from Behind Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:18:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bdf5f3$8614a580$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Fred wrote: > Well to make a long story short, the guy (very nice young fellow) was > apologetic and said "I was dumb". I was a little pissed off and wasn't as > nice as I could be since the guy may have broken his shoulder > and was bloody. > Moral of the story, don't have people you don't know join a ride, it is > dangerous. The bike has easily $1000 damage if I do the work myself. Nice, yet insulting. Interesting. Hope you got his insurance company name and policy number. Sounds like he should be paying for any damages. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 11:41:21 1998 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15508 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA27571; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Mark Petty cc: "'cycles'" Subject: Re: Mr. Gravel isn't your friend, but Mr. Faceshield is In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > sliding. My next thought was "face shields rule!", I kid you not, as I > slid over the gravel. Having seen Mark's face sheild after the fact, I'd have to agree wholeheartedly. :) And thanks to Mark for getting me on the list. :) -Shannon (licensed, but rideless) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 12:00:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16388 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29027 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08282 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA21877; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981012155941.BEXY22777@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:59:41 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: A few TL/bike questions..... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bdf5f9$2a74c740$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <130c5ca5.3621b4d8@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Jack, sounds like a short somewhere. Try and figure out what you are doing when the fuse blows. Either got a wire rubbing on some metal, or being compressed on some metal. Blue flames, eh? LOL! Don't think I can help you here though. Todd > > Hey everyone, > I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on a few things for me: > My TL has started blowing ignition fuses, 2 fuses in two days and > damn near > left me stranded. What could be causing it? I put 100/80 > headlight bulbs in > but I dont think that could cause ignition switch fuses to blow after 20 > minutes of riding. > Also, I just put on some Yosh Carbon slip ons exhaust cans on. They sound > GREAT but I have blue flames shooting out of the cans. Cool afterburner > effect and all but not normal. Im sure others have had this so whats the > solution? Im getting the Dynojet Power Commander (for tweaking the Fuel > Injection mappings) shortly so if its a a rich/lean issue then I > can handle > it. > Thanks a bunch... > > Jack (going to buy a big box of 10amp fuses tomorrow) > Christmas Tree TL1000 (left side red, right side > green...actually looks kinda > neat) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 12:06:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16747 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29139 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08493 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:07:40 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:07:09 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: Boiade@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline That's it Jon! You've hit the nail on the head! I'm not the unlucky one, = you're just sending me your vibes. ;-) I went on Anita's ride this = weekend and actually managed to stay on two wheels. Although, I've become = more cautious and have slowed down since the accident. Just ask Anita. Scooter >>> "Jon S." 10/12/98 01:37AM >>> >In a message dated 10/11/98 8:03:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX=20 >writes: > ><< Moral of the story, don't have people you don't know join a ride, it = is > dangerous. The bike has easily $1000 damage if I do the work myself. >> > >$1000, huh? consider yourself lucky.... Im just getting mine out of the shop >this week from an accident in late august.... damage =3D $6000. same = sorta >scenario.. hit from behind and all.. except I ended up falling as well as the >bike. Anyway, glad to hear your ok. > >Sean... Odd thing is, I was present at both accidents and was around for 2 of Scott's.......... hmmmmm either I'm lucky that it's not me that's being hit or the people who I am with are unlucky and absorb my bad luck vibes....... Jon "spooky FZR" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 12:10:57 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16788 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA30389; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981012160947.BIJV22777@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:09:47 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: Interesting Sunday Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:08:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bdf5fa$93752900$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199810121229.IAA23123@shell.clark.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 As I > was riding down, there was a woman and her daughter (5ish) walking up > the aisle, on the left side. The girl was on the left side of her mother. > When her mother saw me, she pulled the girl over to the other side, away > from me, and slightly behind, and gave me a nasty look. I was really > surprised. I didn't think I looked like the > "Evil-Biker-Scum-wanna-take-your-daughter" type that day. And it's not > like the Concours has loud "Life-Saving" pipes. I hope she doesn't > teach her daughter to hate motorcycles. Sounds more like she was encouraging ignorance. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 12:15:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17208 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29343 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08943 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:17:11 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:16:41 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jon's luck.. or is it ours? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sean, Glad to hear you're getting your bike back and your foot's doing better. = I think you're right, it's all Jon's fault. ;-) Scooter >>> 10/12/98 11:04AM >>> I never put two and two together... but now I see. All the accidents we've been hearing about on this list.. its all on Jon. He's been present at 3, countem 3 accidents... maybe he's the lone gunman on the grassy knoll. ;) Just pullin your chain jon... that is quite a coincidence though. You = should take a camera when you ride, you could really help some of our cases... ;) Talk to you later... Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 12:21:47 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17368 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:23:04 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:22:49 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Melecourt@XXXXXX, mdpetty@XXXXXX, hblank@XXXXXX, macgregor@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mr. Gravel isn't your friend, but Mr. Faceshield is Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Glad to hear you're alright. That must have happened after I left the = ride in Front Royal. As your knee heals more, use cocoa butter with = vitamin E on it. It supposed to eliminate the scar and return your = natural color. It's working on my arms pretty well. You're right about = Anita and her pit crew, they're great people who won't make you feel like = an idiot. Scooter >>> Mark Petty 10/12/98 11:05AM >>> I, too, had a bit of misfortune Saturday, but I have no one to blame but myself. This is my first year riding. Saturday was my first group ride, actually my first ride ever with anybody else, and I was a tad nervous about keeping up with everyone or looking stupid. Anita said it was gonna be a moderate pace, though, so I thought I'd give it a try. A chance to learn from other riders, and meet some of the people on the list. It was a lot of fun. It was great being able to keep up with the group, and not feel completely out of my league. Anita took us down some great roads, and I had a lot of fun riding with a pack, and watching the people in front of me all lean at the same point, and feeling myself (basically) following the same line. And then, in the afternoon, I mentally punted. Anita and I were just caught up with the part of the group that was riding ahead, and had pulled over on a side street. Anita stopped at the front of the line, and I thought I'd pull in at the end of the line. This required me turning down the side street and doing a u-turn. Two things started the problem. One, I was going too fast (about 10mph, or so), and two, I guess part of me decided that I didn't need to be as careful since I was going so slow, and that I was simply coming to a stop. I was picturing how to park the bike, not how I was going to get from here to there. Big mental vacation. Then reality set in, in the form of a big pile of gravel. So, basically, I was braking and turning while riding through gravel. I noticed it, and didn't even have time to mentally say the word "fuck". I got the "f" sound out, and then I was face down in the gravel, sliding. My next thought was "face shields rule!", I kid you not, as I slid over the gravel. I was sitting up as the others started asking if I was alright. Ya, bleeding at the elbows and knees, and a sore wrist, but alright. The Honda was on its side, leaking gas through the cap, which kinda freaked me (I was in a gas fire once), but the others got it back on the center stand, and the bike looked pretty good for all of its abuse. While I was walking around, fidgeting, and basically buring off the adrenaline, Anita got out her toolkit and everyone looked over my bike, looking for problems. One of the handlebars had to be readjusted, my right front turn signal lost its lens cap, the reflector on the radiator is splintered, the muffler has new scratchs to join the old ones, and something is lightly rubbing on the front wheel. It was more than able to be ridden, though. Still, I feel really shitting for abusing such a cool bike. Two days later my right knee is still stiff and scabbed over, my right shoulder is kinda pissed at me, and my left wrist aches. And my wife is _really_ unamused with me. She says I can't ride until I figure out what's rubbing on the front wheel, and that we can't afford to have it fixed for at least another paycheck. Feh. I'm pretty clueless with tools, and a little leary of playing with front brakes as my first project, so I guess I'll wait, which is probably best for her anyway. She was far more wigged about the whole accident thing than I was. And I can't recommend enought that if you're gonna crash, always crash with a full pit crew. Anita, Tom, Gary, and Jim have my eternal thanks for taking care of my bike while I tried to figure out how much I was actually bleeding (not much except ofr the knee), and for not making me feel like an idiot (I can do that all by myself, thank you...). Thanks for Gary for offering to leave the ride if I wanted to just head straight home. And thanks to Ursulina for selling me such a nifty jacket. A learning experience you can ride away from isn't something to complain about. And if this keeps me from taking a mental vacation for the rest of my riding career, then I'm not gonna bitch at all. At least I didn't take enyone else out with me. That would have _really_ sucked. -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 12:40:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18164 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29645 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09985 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr17-dialup27.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0F0Q00L8L3KVPM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:38:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:34:58 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Hit from Behind To: SCOTT Rush Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <006301bdf617$66f73680$1b4737a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 <<<<<<<<< That's it Jon! You've hit the nail on the head! I'm not the unlucky one, you're just sending me your vibes. ;-) I went on Anita's ride this weekend and actually managed to stay on two wheels. Although, I've become more cautious and have slowed down since the accident. Just ask Anita. Scooter <<<<<<<< Yeah, sure, that's it. Who are you gonna blame for the rest of your accidents? 8^P Jon "riding faster keeps the dangerous people farther behind" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 12:46:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18320 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29861 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10252 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr17-dialup27.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0F0Q00A8W3W8ZH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:41:45 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: A few TL/bike questions..... To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <007d01bdf618$5acbde00$1b4737a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Also, I just put on some Yosh Carbon slip ons exhaust cans on. They sound >GREAT but I have blue flames shooting out of the cans. >Jack you flamer........... 8^P "riding faster keeps the dangerous people farther behind" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 13:15:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19669 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00510 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11091 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:17:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:16:42 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cagers! ;-) Scooter >>> "Jon S." 10/12/98 03:34PM >>> <<<<<<<<< That's it Jon! You've hit the nail on the head! I'm not the unlucky one, you're just sending me your vibes. ;-) I went on Anita's ride this = weekend and actually managed to stay on two wheels. Although, I've become more cautious and have slowed down since the accident. Just ask Anita. Scooter <<<<<<<< Yeah, sure, that's it. Who are you gonna blame for the rest of your accidents? 8^P Jon "riding faster keeps the dangerous people farther behind" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 13:45:17 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21010 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA30762; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:45:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199810121745.NAA30762@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Mark Petty Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:45:02 -0400 Subject: Mr. Gravel CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Mark Petty wrote: > A learning experience you can ride away from isn't something to > complain about. And if this keeps me from taking a mental > vacation for the rest of my riding career, then I'm not gonna bitch > at all. At least I didn't take enyone else out with me. That would > have _really_ sucked. Mark, I'm glad that you had a good time over all on the ride, even with the gravel mishap. I'm also glad that neither you nor your bike were seriously injured! I must have had some sort of a premonition... as I was slowing down I saw all the gravel and thought "I hope Mark slows down enough"... and then I heard you hit the gravel, and your bike hit the ground. Ouch... when I looked back you were already getting up... thank goodness! Gravel has to be one of the most common hazards out on those back roads... if it's not kicked up in turns, it's overflowing from side roads or driveways... it's everywhere. I always try to be really careful... in this case after I saw all the gravel on the side road I decided to slow almost to a complete stop on the pavement before pulling off. Anyhow, I'm glad your cuts and bruises are healing okay... and I hope you'll join us for another ride after you get your bike sorted out. Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 14:09:57 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22326 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA32701; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:10:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199810121810.OAA32701@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:09:55 -0400 Subject: re: Country Roads Ride CC: panthera@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) "Gary F. Meyering" wrote: > And by the way, judging from what I saw, she put alot of hard > work and planning into making this ride a success. {{Of course it > would have even been better if a couple of us didn't go tearing off > and get lost. Naughty naughty. :-o }} Anyway, thanks Anita. > Also, it wasnice to meet all the rest of you nice folks on the ride, > this was my first DC-Cycles event. Gary, Glad you enjoyed the ride on Saturday... it wasn't all *that* hard to put together... just a few weekends of riding those great roads and a few hours with Street Atlas 5.0! :-) I'll clean up the route sheet at some point and give it to Collin to post on his web page. As for folks getting lost... I liked the idea that someone had at lunch... before the next ride I'll go out and tie balloons along the route so that people can follow it better! :-) Speaking of lunch.. I can really recommend Castiglia's in Front Royal as a good group ride lunch stop... it's on Rte 522 in the first shopping center you come to as you are heading into town from the south (near the KFC and Amoco). It's one of those Italian "order at the counter" places... the nice folks there put up with us sitting there for almost 2 hours waiting for the rest of the group to trickle in! :-) I'm feeling too lazy to write a "real" ride report... let's just say that a good time was had by all and we'll have to do it again real soon (without the gravel, though)! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 14:32:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23194 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01651 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (known send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15437 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981012183245.22996.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.41.154] by send202.yahoomail.com; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:32:44 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: RE: Any ERCs still going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm an MSF certified instructor. Find a suitable range and classroom and I can put on a course. Contact me directly at raymondlucas@XXXXXX or 4107626710 before 10/18, don't go through the list as I may be disenrolled. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 14:49:25 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23946 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:50:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:50:38 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: panthera@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re: Country Roads Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey Anita, A friend of mine went on a Poker Run this weekend and the organizer there = had a great idea to go along with the ride sheet. He went out the night = before and painted circles on the street. One circle meant make a left at = the next intersection. Two meant make a right. And three meant you were = going the right way. The only problem they had was, someone changed a = couple of his markings sending people right instead of left. But, other = than that, everyone liked the idea. Just some food for thought. Scooter >>> "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> 10/12/98 02:09PM >>> As for folks getting lost... I liked the idea that someone had at=20 lunch... before the next ride I'll go out and tie balloons along the=20 route so that people can follow it better! :-) =20 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 14:59:39 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24417 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:59:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IETUa29185; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70c6b699.3622515f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:58:39 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/12/98 8:53:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << With all due respect - if we followed that advice, we'd all be riding alone... >> You really had to be there, and perhaps you should find out some details on how our ride was joined first. There was very little time to go through a "ride rules" session. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:13:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24889 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02174 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16816 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RKMYa03786; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9c6d0d98.362251d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:00:40 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hit from behind Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/12/98 9:32:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << Oooch, eeech, ouch, oooch. >> Had foot x-rayed, no fractures. Can get bike on the road with one new part (foot peg hanger) and will go do battle with insurance company over the winter to fix esthetics. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:18:58 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25094 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WARPa02317; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:13:18 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/12/98 11:19:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << Nice, yet insulting. >> No, no he meant that he was dumb. He even called me sir. Real nice guy, I am going to let him pay for the parts if he wants. ($833) plus soemthing for my old race boots. I can buff the scratch on the frame. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:21:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25330 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02276 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17141 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA13981; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981012191405.DJDO22777@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:14:05 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mark E. Truelove" , Subject: RE: Any ERCs still going? Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:12:57 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01bdf614$52995040$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199810102332.TAA28355@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I like this suggestion Mark. We have a couple of active/inactive listers/instructors here already. I don't know if they've signed over there first born to NOT teach outside of the MSF environment, but if not I don't see why this couldn't be done for LESS MONEY. :) The ERC already requires using your own bike. The only other materials are a slide show and the little cones for the range portion of the class. Instructors? Anybody? I'm due to take this course again this spring, and would sure like to save a few $$$$ Todd > > Any instructors on the list want to put together a dc-cycles class? :) > > MET > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > ======================================================================= > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:24:17 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25348 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:20:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hit from Behind Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:20:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 10/12/98 8:53:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > mike@XXXXXX > writes: > > << With all due respect - if we followed that advice, we'd all be > riding > alone... > >> > > You really had to be there, and perhaps you should find out some > details on > how our ride was joined first. There was very little time to go > through a > "ride rules" session. > > Ciao, > > Fred > Actually, when I mentioned to someone Saturday morning that this was my first group ride (I don't remember who it was), the only "ride rule" that was mentioned to me was "Don't hit the bike in front of you." I thought it was quite obvious, but apparently some people needed to have it pointed out to them. All in all, I thought it was a quite good rule. -Mark '83 V65 Magna (I suggest we start having a "No braking and turning while riding through gravel" rule for the next group ride, thereby protecting Ursulina and myself, because, y'know, we'd never break the Rules...) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25794 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 309; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:29:49 -0400 Message-ID: <362258DE.D19512D@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:30:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anita's Country Roads Ride References: <199810121810.OAA32701@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > > Glad you enjoyed the ride on Saturday... Me, too! I apologize for having to shuffle off to work from Front Royal, though, it was a shame to cut short such a wonderful ride. I *LIKED* those roads. :) FOR ALL YOU LOSERS WHO DIDN'T GO: BAD MOVE! This was a great ride. Y'all missed a splendid time. > I'll clean up the route sheet at > some point and give it to Collin to post on his web page. Please do! This ride was better than any poker run I've ever been on. > As for folks getting lost... Who, us? We made it there, eventually. :) > Speaking of lunch.. I can really recommend Castiglia's in Front > Royal s a good group ride lunch stop... The pizza looked good. Another reason to wish I didn't have to leave so early. Darn. > the nice folks there put up with us sitting there for almost > 2 hours waiting for the rest of the group to trickle in! :-) Well, we did some creative unplanned sightseeing. Yeah, that's it! ;) At least we got there. Did Collin and Roy ever show up? So what happened to you guys, anyway? :) > I'm feeling too lazy to write a "real" ride report... And I've been to busy to write one up and do it justice, too. One question - who was that masked man on the XS-11 who left after the first gas stop? I didn't get a chance to get his name... I think I got all the others: Anita - GPZ1100 Tom Mersch - BMW K1200 Roy Turner - GSXR750 Collin - On his *FREE* Maxim! :) Me - BugSlayer Ursulina - 454 LTD Scooter - ? (Can't remember) Gary Meyering - Triumph Trident (First Timer?) JR (?) - FZR (First Timer?) Mark Petty - V65 Magna (First Timer?) The Mystery Guy - XS-11 Special It was a nice assorted collection of bikes, and we had a few new faces as well. You newbies are all comin' to the Party, right? :) http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ Anyway, thanks for showing up Anita (hee, hee), I really enjoyed the route (ok, the first 2/3 of it I was able to squeeze in) - methinks it would be a pretty darned good leaf-peepin' ride in a few weeks when the colors start to turn, just watch out for all those pesky twisties! ;-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:30:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25797 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02385 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17474 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRDRRRRV; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:30:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hey Concours owners (or anyone else) Message-ID: <19981012.055754.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-12,14 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:30:41 EDT Does anyone know of an after-market manufacturer out there that sells footpeg lowering kits? A very tall guy is in here looking to make the Concours fit him better. He also could use an after-market seat that puts his butt further back from the tank to keep his legs at a more comfortable bend. Any help would be greatly appreciated. JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ps. What's a good "tall guy" bike? I'm not very tall, so I just wouldn't know... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:38:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25929 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02443 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17811 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 320; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:37:17 -0400 Message-ID: <36225A9E.65857CE1@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:38:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "Mark E. Truelove" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any ERCs still going? References: <001e01bdf614$52995040$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > The ERC already requires using your own bike. The only other > materials are a slide show and the little cones for the range > portion of the class. Instructors? Anybody? > > I'm due to take this course again this spring, and would sure > like to save a few $$$$ Heh, heh, swiping a few back from The Man. I like it. I'd be willing to go for something like this. :) > Any instructors on the list want to put together a dc-cycles class? :) Also don't forget that Leon is hosting another small circles skills session the afternoon of Todd's party (yet another great reason to come: http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ ) There's nothing like scraping all those unnecessary hard bits off the bottom of your bike in the company of friends. :) Seriously, this is the *PERFECT* opportunity to gain more confidence in your riding ability, and the limits of your ride, in a safe parking lot environment. See you all there! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:40:54 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26087 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-06.dial.nova.org (pm1-06.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.134]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA15902 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:40:44 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Country Roads Ride Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:43:01 GMT Message-ID: <36255aa3.82862540@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >He went out the night before and painted circles on the street. =20 >One circle meant make a left at the next intersection. Two meant=20 >make a right. And three meant you were going the right way. =20 >Just some food for thought. I can assure you that I will NEVER go out marking a route for a casual ride like the ones "hosted" by dc-cycles riders. While I can see some personality types actually enjoying doing something like that it's far more work than I'd be willing to put in. As it is, there are relatively few ride leaders as compared to ride followers... Adding additional burden to those few doesn't sound good to me. It's an interesting idea for an organized ride, perhaps. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:43:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26299 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02496 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18066 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-06.dial.nova.org (pm1-06.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.134]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA15955; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey Concours owners (or anyone else) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:45:30 GMT Message-ID: <36275c18.83235883@beta.nova.org> References: <19981012.055754.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <19981012.055754.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:30:41 EDT, bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) wrote: >Does anyone know of an after-market manufacturer out there that sells >footpeg lowering kits? How about some 1/4" aluminum plate and a hacksaw? "Plans" would be easy to make up and aluminum is easy to work with even with hand tools. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:44:15 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26315 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 349; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:43:17 -0400 Message-ID: <36225C06.A1321807@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:44:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Petty CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hit from Behind References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Petty wrote: > > Actually, when I mentioned to someone Saturday morning that this was my > first group ride (I don't remember who it was), the only "ride rule" > that was mentioned to me was "Don't hit the bike in front of you." I > thought it was quite obvious, but apparently some people needed to have > it pointed out to them. That was me, being halfway smart-alecky. Guess I need to revise the rules. Rule #1. Crashing sucks. Don't crash. Stick to the rules, and you won't have any problems. :) Ride safe, everyone! Mark, glad you and the bike survived pretty well. Don't feel bad. I rear-ended a cage for my first crash - I'd probably rather dumped it in gravel instead. Then there was the time I forgot to put the kickstand down, and dismounted and walked away ... In front of about 10 people, all bikers, including my wife, of course. :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 15:49:00 1998 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26382 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA17009; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA02453; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA19024; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:48:20 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA19015; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:48:19 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4QMHK9WC>; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:48:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hit from Behind Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:48:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -Mark > '83 V65 Magna > > (I suggest we start having a "No braking and turning while riding > through gravel" rule for the next group ride, thereby protecting > Ursulina and myself, because, y'know, we'd never break the Rules...) *** Yeah, you guys know about me and gravel. We're not on the best of terms. :-P From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:01:08 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26919 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08893; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:01:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199810122001.QAA08893@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:00:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Priority: normal In-reply-to: <36225C06.A1321807@tidalwave.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 12 Oct 98, at 15:44, Dale Horstman wrote: > Rule #1. Crashing sucks. Don't crash. Good rule, very good rule. I am doing my best to follow it... 3,000+ accident free miles, and counting! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (still crash ugly) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:02:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27103 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02923 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19075 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 268; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: <36226052.2B78989@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:02:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey Concours owners (or anyone else) References: <19981012.055754.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > Does anyone know of an after-market manufacturer out there that sells > footpeg lowering kits? Nice timing, you are catching me in a lull at work. Gen Mar Mfg makes lowering kits for the Connie, as well as bar risers. go here: http://www.zianet.com/GenMar/ I've got the bar risers, they are high-quality, but pricey. The peg lowerers would have taken away too much cornering clearance for me, so I didn't go that route. Since he's tall, you might want to also suggest a TALLER, as well as flatter seat that he can slide back on. The early model Connie seats seemed to be a little taller as well as flatter, and I think they should still fit, but he might still have to go the aftermarket route. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Not a prob, glad to help. Tell him about us if you get a chance. There's also an Concours Owner's Group and mailing list that is an absolute treasure trove of info about the bike and how to maintain it, etc. etc. > ps. What's a good "tall guy" bike? I'm not very tall, so I just > wouldn't know... The Connie isn't bad, but there is a lot of knee bend involved. I'm 6'3", with about a 34 inch inseam, if that helps. The Honda ST1100 has more room to the footpegs (compared to the Concours) but surprisingly has less clearance for the knees to the fairing. It would be a good choice, too, if it fits him right. The Kawi Voyager seemed big to me, too, and you can easily mount highway pegs to stretch out on. Same with a lot of cruisers, but cruisers seem to be the anti-tall guy bike. I wouldn't wanna be short and have to swing a leg over a GoldWing, either. The Honda Nighthawk 750 simply felt comfortable when I test-sat on one. Everything was where it was supposed to be. Too bad I gave up chain drives for Lent. :) Of course, some of those big honkin dual sport bikes have 35+ inch seat heights! Yowee! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:05:18 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27233 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:06:28 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:05:46 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Country Roads Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I thought it was too. That's why I mentioned it. Scooter >>> Kirk Roy 10/12/98 03:43PM >>> >He went out the night before and painted circles on the street. =20 >One circle meant make a left at the next intersection. Two meant=20 >make a right. And three meant you were going the right way. =20 >Just some food for thought. I can assure you that I will NEVER go out marking a route for a casual ride like the ones "hosted" by dc-cycles riders. While I can see some personality types actually enjoying doing something like that it's far more work than I'd be willing to put in. As it is, there are relatively few ride leaders as compared to ride followers... Adding additional burden to those few doesn't sound good to me. It's an interesting idea for an organized ride, perhaps. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:05:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27300 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03053 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19338 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 173 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:05:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981012160034.00d7eae0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:05:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Web Weather Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been online for many years, and have come to use the web for just about everything, including weather reports. Yesterday (midnight) I checked Intellicast, CNN, and the Washington Post weather sites for up to date info about today. All of them were basically the same - Sunny, Hi of 74. Go check their sites now. CNN has changed it to Showers. The post still shows Sunny, no clouds (i have seen the sun twice today in Reston) and Intellicast is the same. Anyone have a site they use that has proved even mildly accurate? Seems that every time Im going to ride into work, and I check the weather, the forecast is wrong. Any NASA or NOAA workers out there have any insight? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) Its too damn cold out there for me. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:06:56 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27310 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09296; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:07:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199810122007.QAA09296@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:06:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Anita's Country Roads Ride Priority: normal In-reply-to: <362258DE.D19512D@tidalwave.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 12 Oct 98, at 15:30, Dale Horstman wrote: > Please do! This ride was better than any poker run I've > ever been on. That's because it was made up of roads from EVERY poker run I've been on! :-) > Well, we did some creative unplanned sightseeing. Yeah, that's > it! ;) At least we got there. Did Collin and Roy ever show up? > So what happened to you guys, anyway? :) Collin and Roy did turn up... not too long after you left, if I remember correctly. They had a little trouble finding the restaurant.. mostly because my directions said "next to Big Lots"... and you can really see Big Lots from 522. (oops) > And I've been to busy to write one up and do it justice, too. > One question - who was that masked man on the XS-11 who left > after the first gas stop? I didn't get a chance to get his name... I'm afraid I don't recall his name either... I'm so bad with names anyhow... if I don't at least eat lunch with someone, it's hopeless! :-) > Anyway, thanks for showing up Anita (hee, hee), Gee, thanks... I told you all I'd show up! Rain, sleet, snow, whatever... I was gonna be at OCB! :-) There are quite a few events in the coming weeks, but I'll see if I can squeeze in a 2nd running... and I still have the ridesheet that Louis gave me from a PARR fall folliage ride that starts in Leesburg. I think we need longer weekends! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:15:00 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27723 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA08084 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:10:53 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:10:53 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF385539@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:14:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wasn't suggesting a rule book or anything - it's just that the dynamics of a group ride are significantly different than those of a solo ride, and different groups tend to ride differently. Simple things like asking a new (to the group) rider if s/he does much group riding are on the order of what I had in mind. For example, on Alan Wheat's first night ride this season, I was beside a person who had never ridden with a group and didn't know about riding in staggered formation. It took a couple of red lights before I had enough time to explain how and why - no problems - just education. This could have been addressed in a minute or so up front. Little things - maintaining a staggered formation and keeping the person behind you in sight are almost automatic to those of us who ride in a group often, but may not even be thought of by those that don't. Some groups get upset if someone doesn't wear appropriate apparel during a ride - all sorts of silly stuff like that which, to the group, are important. Michael (hopping off my soapbox now) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:18:08 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27764 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10018 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:18:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199810122018.QAA10018@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:18:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Priority: normal In-reply-to: <70c6b699.3622515f@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 12 Oct 98, at 14:58, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > You really had to be there, and perhaps you should find out some details > on how our ride was joined first. There was very little time to go > through a "ride rules" session. After being on two group rides this weekend, I think I'm going to allow time for a little "ride rules session" before the next group ride I lead (or instigate). Not so much because of what happened Saturday, but just as a good general rule. I should have at least asked the new folks what riding experience they had (with a group or without)... while the faster riders on dc-cycles would not consider me fast (the term "left in the dust" applies), new riders might, especially on roads that I know well. That something that I really hadn't considered before! :-) And on yesterday's Arboretum ride I wound up leading a slower group for a while... turned out one of the women only had her bike for a week, and this was her first bike! That's something I might like to know in advance! Just food for thought! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:33:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28374 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03521 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20326 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA21968; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:32:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv12-07.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.135) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021898; Mon Oct 12 15:31:59 1998 Message-ID: <362266D7.5C8ED7E5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:30:15 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Web Weather References: <4.1.19981012160034.00d7eae0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Actually out here 50 miles further west, the forecast was spot on. ;) Its 70 with mostly sunny skies. Anyway, I use The Weather Channels, www.weather.com, create your own homepage, the current conditions are updated hourly, the sat and radar images every half hour or so and finally the forecast every 6 hours. Michael Troutman wrote: > Anyone have a site they use that has proved even > mildly accurate? Seems that every time Im going to ride into work, and I > check the weather, the forecast is wrong. Any NASA or NOAA workers out > there have any insight? > > > HDKnight > Ride Safe > 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:33:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28377 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03527 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20330 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:35:00 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:34:39 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Web Weather Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Have you tried the Weather Channel's WebSite @ www.weather.com? They're = pretty accurate. They had the weather in Vegas down pat last weekend. Scooter >>> "Michael Troutman" 10/12/98 04:05PM >>> Anyone have a site they use that has proved even mildly accurate? Seems that every time Im going to ride into work, and I check the weather, the forecast is wrong. Any NASA or NOAA workers out there have any insight? From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:34:38 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28408 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA10439 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:30:20 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:30:20 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF385542@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hit from Behind Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:34:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >turned out one of the women only had her bike >for a week, and this was her first bike! >That's something I might like to know in advance! Me again (hopping back on soapbox) Anita has hit it on the head - it's not just about rules, it's knowing a little about one's fellow riders and their experience level. We're trying to promote the sport - not convince new riders that their mother was right after all... ;-) It helps us to know what level of competence we can expect to get (not necessarily receive) from a given rider. The regulars to the group know who the conservative riders and who the less conservative riders are, and the group allows for both sets. It's when we inject an unknown quantity that the balance gets upset and we may expect an unrealistic level of performance. I can think of a couple of riders who were very unsure of themselves less than a year ago who have become quite competent. This is the sort of thing that the group does best. We run the gamut of people showing up with elbow sliders (and needing them) to mini-cruisers. The group accomodates them all, and we all come away with more than we entered. Back off box (but keeping it handy) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:43:00 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28916 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:38:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:38:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > > Little things - maintaining a staggered formation and keeping the > person > behind you in sight are almost automatic to those of us who ride in a > group > often, but may not even be thought of by those that don't. > Okay, then I've got a question. What am I supposed to do if the person behind me drops outa site? It happened on Saturday. I flashed my high beam at the riders in front, but no-one noticed. Then I did a u-turn and went back to find them. Of course, now the person in front of me has no clue where I've gone now, either. What's the appropriate action for this situation? > Some groups get upset if someone doesn't wear appropriate apparel > during a > ride - all sorts of silly stuff like that which, to the group, are > important. > Well, hell, you know, if they aren't wearing the appropriate honeycomb ceramic laminate armor with hydrolic shock compressors to stablize their SmartReactive (tm) active compresson full face and neck helmet, then they just don't belong on any ride _I'm_ gonna be on, you betcha. (heh heh) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:50:51 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29323 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12535; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:51:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199810122051.QAA12535@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "SCOTT Rush" Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:50:46 -0400 Subject: Re: re: Country Roads Ride CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 12 Oct 98, at 14:50, SCOTT Rush wrote: > A friend of mine went on a Poker Run this weekend and the organizer there > had a great idea to go along with the ride sheet. He went out the night > before and painted circles on the street. I like the balloon idea better! :-) My neighbor who rides a Virago 920 was telling me about a "Lime Run" he went on... no route sheet, just markings on the roads with lime. Apparently the markings weren't always right... sounds pretty tough to me! :-) I'd have to do a ride like that on a smaller bike... the GPZ is too heavy for a lot of u-turns! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 16:58:28 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29732 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3RXZa07909 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:57:34 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Okay, then I've got a question. What am I supposed to do if the person >behind me drops outa site? It is unlikely that I will ever appear on a group ride, but I do know how Edelweiss, the motorcycle tour company, solves this problem. Everyone keeps an eye on the person behind them. If you can't see that person any more, slow down or stop until you can. If everyone does this, the whole group will come to a stop in a short period of time. If the leader notices that they can no longer see the person behind them, that person will stop and wait a few minutes. If no bike appears, the leader rides back for 15 minutes (this is really quite a long way) unitl the person who is stopped at the very end is found. Edelweiss rides in groups of six or less. If they have more riders than that, they split into more than one group, each with its own leader. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 17:05:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29865 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03960 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21429 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRDW6ZV7; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:05:18 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey Concours owners (or anyone else) Message-ID: <19981012.065927.5271.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19981012.055754.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> <36226052.2B78989@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-17,19-27,30-65 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:05:18 EDT >Gen Mar Mfg makes lowering kits for the Connie, as well >as bar risers. go here: http://www.zianet.com/GenMar/ ----I'll look around here for their catalog. We must have one somewhere. >I've got the bar risers, they are high-quality, but pricey. >The peg lowerers would have taken away too much cornering >clearance for me, so I didn't go that route. ----I won't mention the clearance problem to HIM, but thanks for the tip. :-) >Since he's tall, you might want to also suggest a TALLER, >as well as flatter seat that he can slide back on. The >early model Connie seats seemed to be a little taller as >well as flatter, and I think they should still fit, but >he might still have to go the aftermarket route. ----TALLER seat...hmmmmm...You big guys think altogether differently from the rest of us. You know us. You call us "the little people." >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Not a prob, glad to help. Tell him about us if you get >a chance. There's also an Concours Owner's Group and >mailing list that is an absolute treasure trove of info >about the bike and how to maintain it, etc. etc. ----He already knows about COG. That's how he found out about the Concours, and I did mention this list too. Had to bribe him to keep him from giving me away... ;-) >> ps. What's a good "tall guy" bike? I'm not very tall, so I just > >wouldn't know... > >The Connie isn't bad, but there is a lot of knee bend involved. >I'm 6'3", with about a 34 inch inseam, if that helps. ----How's the weather up there? =8-/ >The Honda ST1100 has more room to the footpegs (compared to the >Concours) but surprisingly has less clearance for the knees to the >fairing. It would be a good choice, too, if it fits him right. > >The Kawi Voyager seemed big to me, too, and you can easily mount >highway pegs to stretch out on. Same with a lot of cruisers, >but cruisers seem to be the anti-tall guy bike. I wouldn't >wanna be short and have to swing a leg over a GoldWing, either. ----He didn't want a tour bike. I tried that route... >The Honda Nighthawk 750 simply felt comfortable when I test-sat >on one. Everything was where it was supposed to be. Too bad >I gave up chain drives for Lent. :) ----We sold one of these this morning. Wish we'd had another. >Of course, some of those big honkin dual sport bikes have 35+ inch >seat heights! Yowee! ----I didn't think of that. :-( JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 17:37:43 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01281 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15842; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:37:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199810122137.RAA15842@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Jordan, Michael" Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:37:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Rules CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF385542@sw730x023.visa.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 12 Oct 98, at 13:34, Jordan, Michael wrote: > Anita has hit it on the head - it's not just about rules, it's knowing a > little about one's fellow riders and their experience level. We're trying > to promote the sport - not convince new riders that their mother was right > after all... ;-) I think my plan will be to make sure I talk with every unfamiliar person who shows up for one of my rides...just ask them how long they've been riding, what sort of riding they do, if they've ridden with a group before... stuff like that. I remember one ride that I went on where several riders mentioned that it was their first time riding on twisty roads! Big difference between blowing down Rte 66 at the speed of light, and negotiating 7 miles of 25 mph turns! [btw, I rode Rte 606 2x yesterday.. boy, is that fun!! :-)] I know we've talked about riding with unfamilar folks before.. in the past I've always assumed that I was "slow" and could lead just about anyone safely. Then this weekend several people commented on how fast I was riding... took me by surprise! :-) Live and learn, as they say! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 17:38:06 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01290 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr5-dialup17.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0Q00EMUHE5BC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:37:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:33:20 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: A few TL/bike questions..... To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <006d01bdf641$1535dac0$114437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Jack, About those flames shooting out of your pipes...... are you sure your cams are lined up exactly right? I remember that you were adjusting your valves a while ago and this is the only explanation I can think of. The flames are caused by the air/fuel mixture burning through the exhaust valve(s), inside the headers and through the exhaust. Usually from radical valve overlap. You can see this on top fuel drag cars, etc.. Your bike shouldn't be doing this, unless you have some serious racing cams. Recheck your cam timing or you might be burning up your exhaust valves and toasting your new Yosh cans. Jon "riding faster keeps the dangerous people farther behind" >>>Hey everyone, >>>I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on a few things for me: >>>My TL has started blowing ignition fuses, 2 fuses in two days and damn >near >>>left me stranded. What could be causing it? I put 100/80 headlight bulbs >>in >>>but I dont think that could cause ignition switch fuses to blow after 20 >>>minutes of riding. >>>Also, I just put on some Yosh Carbon slip ons exhaust cans on. They sound >>>GREAT but I have blue flames shooting out of the cans. Cool afterburner >>>effect and all but not normal. Im sure others have had this so whats the >>>solution? Im getting the Dynojet Power Commander (for tweaking the Fuel >>>Injection mappings) shortly so if its a a rich/lean issue then I can >handle >>>it. >>>Thanks a bunch... >>> >>>Jack (going to buy a big box of 10amp fuses tomorrow) >>>Christmas Tree TL1000 (left side red, right side green...actually looks >>kinda >>>neat) >> >> > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 17:41:28 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01592 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:41:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IZQKa17800; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59347427.36227761@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:40:49 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/12/98 4:21:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << I wasn't suggesting a rule book or anything - it's just that the dynamics of a group ride are significantly different than those of a solo ride, and different groups tend to ride differently. >> Michael there are two rides that are being discussed. I got rear-ended in Maryland while the gravel incident was in Virginia. The Maryland ride started with people that knew each other but we were joined while riding, not stopped. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 17:50:51 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01952 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16885; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:51:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199810122151.RAA16885@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:50:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <59347427.36227761@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 12 Oct 98, at 17:40, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > The Maryland ride started with people that knew each other but we > were joined while riding, not stopped. Fred, I've been thinking about this ever since that ride where the old guy joined up with us, and was riding in a dangerous fashion. What is the right thing to do when someone joins up with you uninvited? Do you stop and tell the guy to take a hike? That's a touchy situation... but the way that old guy was riding he could have taken out a few of us! Who's fault would it have been... his for riding like an idiot, or us, for putting up with it? Food for thought (and not meant as a flame in any way, shape or form)! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 17:52:38 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02093 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id ARKEa04133; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <247e8119.36227a02@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:52:02 EDT To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/12/98 5:50:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << That's a touchy situation... but the way that old guy was riding he could have taken out a few of us! >> Yeah, I think one just has to tell the person that it is a private ride and mumble something about Club insurance. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 18:01:38 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02340 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17775; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:01:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199810122201.SAA17775@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:01:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) Priority: normal In-reply-to: <247e8119.36227a02@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 12 Oct 98, at 17:52, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Yeah, I think one just has to tell the person that it is a private ride > and mumble something about Club insurance. That is an excellent idea! That way you don't make it "you aren't good enough to ride with us" but it's those d*mn insurance people again! I like it! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 18:03:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02533 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04576 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23038 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 63; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:02:53 -0400 Message-ID: <36227CBE.D004549@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:03:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey Concours owners (or anyone else) References: <19981012.055754.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> <36226052.2B78989@XXXXXX> <19981012.065927.5271.3.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > >Gen Mar Mfg makes lowering kits for the Connie, as well > >as bar risers. go here: http://www.zianet.com/GenMar/ > > ----I'll look around here for their catalog. We must have one somewhere. I don't know, I got the impression they were a little Mom & Pop shop. Might not have a catalog. > and I did mention this list too. Had to bribe him to keep him > from giving me away... ;-) Oh yeah, don't want to blow your cover! :) > >Of course, some of those big honkin dual sport bikes have 35+ inch > >seat heights! Yowee! > > ----I didn't think of that. :-( I think those bikes would be an acquired taste - they are not for everyone. You've gotta *WANT* to find nasty roads and trails and get dirty just so you can play a little with a DS bike. That said, I bet the fun-factor of those things is sky-high. If I had the money to have one in addition to a street bike.... sigh. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 18:09:44 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02628 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:09:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id AWGHa02329; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58ce622f.36227de3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:08:35 EDT To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/12/98 6:01:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << but it's those d*mn insurance people again! I like it! >> Right, those damn insurance people. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 18:17:53 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03044 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19010; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:18:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199810122218.SAA19010@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:17:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <58ce622f.36227de3@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 12 Oct 98, at 18:08, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Right, those damn insurance people. LOL Oops... I should have said: "This statement was an attempt to be humorous and not to be taken seriously by anyone on the list that works in the insurance industry." Don't want to start another flame war! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 18:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04276 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id ADZLa22760; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5a92aa8b.36228684@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:45:24 EDT To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rules (was: Hit from Behind) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/12/98 6:17:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << on't want to start another flame war! : >> I don't think you will have a problem with the insurance folks on this list. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 21:33:41 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10680 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-27.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.68]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11204 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:33:37 -0400 Message-ID: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Brains On Holiday Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:31:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 BOH-1. About 10a. A cagelady on P street halfway runs a red light causing squealing, stoppage, and double whammy stares from shiny red auto heading south on 21st. Cagelady has just-awakened look and motions. Me erranding on foot in 'stitch, mentally noting my fortunate timing as I was in same position as victim minutes earlier. BOH-2. Abt 10:20a. A cagelady in middle circle lane at Scott Circle to my left decides to attempt to sail across my outside lane to get to 16th Street w/no signal, warning. My brakes squeal, I slow, give sunvisor-enhanced double whammy. She stops for me to proceed. I stop, blocking her for about 5 seconds to let her truly consider the karma of the moment. Cagelady has "no one else should be around" aura. BOH-3. Two intersections later, a jogger with attitude moseys across Mass Ave after light greens, holding up traffic. I give sunvisor-enhanced double whammy, menace with 6K throttle twist. Her smirk says she is taking out some recent dissing on those she thinks are in passive flower-smelling mode. BOH-4. Past intersection, a cageman with Diplomatic plates cuts me off in changing lanes from right to left. He had been substantially behind me and knew I was there. I give sunvisor-enhanced double whammy and hornstab. I surmise he's from a country where other traffic hibernates on holidays. BOH-5. On Rte 50 east, a previously rear-view identified weaver cageman attempts to move into me as I am cruising in left lane at extra speed. He at least knew I was in area someplace. He wakes up as I am on left shoulder yellow line braking and horning; he waves apologetically and returns to starting lane. I give sunvisor-enhanced double whammy. Holidays are surely his sun-up to -down playtime. BOH-6. Returning, at Bladensburg Road and NYAve, two tuxedoed heavies are handing out a Farrakhan pub and pies for donations. They hold up traffic through a green while a deal is done and they probably explain entire F. platform to driver. Many horns sound. As they are probably on armed turf, I give sunvisor-enhanced double whammy and move quietly along. Police on holiday, they are thinking. Brains On Holiday. Brings back memories of the 7/6 BDC totalling of my EN500. Dare I yearn for the discipline of Rush Hour? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Being trained to roar fiercely Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 22:00:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11890 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07239 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28118 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:57:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:59:55 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bdf64d$2c46e400$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <8525669B.0049C5C5.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Interesting that they started selling Triumphs. Kinda mainstream for them:) That Bonnie (blue, I think) has been there for a little while. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 22:21:00 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12728 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr23-dialup12.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0F0Q00NG8UHT8T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:20:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:16:18 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday To: Dc Cycles Message-id: <003801bdf668$9d07aec0$8c4837a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Exactly why I never ride in the city. Jon "riding faster keeps the dangerous people farther behind" -----Original Message----- From: mobacc To: Dc Cycles Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 6:45 PM Subject: Brains On Holiday >BOH-1. About 10a. A cagelady on P street halfway runs a red light causing >squealing, stoppage, and double whammy stares from shiny red auto heading >south on 21st. Cagelady has just-awakened look and motions. Me erranding >on foot in 'stitch, mentally noting my fortunate timing as I was in same >position as victim minutes earlier. > >BOH-2. Abt 10:20a. A cagelady in middle circle lane at Scott Circle to my >left decides to attempt to sail across my outside lane to get to 16th Street >w/no signal, warning. My brakes squeal, I slow, give sunvisor-enhanced >double whammy. She stops for me to proceed. I stop, blocking her for >about 5 seconds to let her truly consider the karma of the moment. Cagelady >has "no one else should be around" aura. > >BOH-3. Two intersections later, a jogger with attitude moseys across Mass >Ave after light greens, holding up traffic. I give sunvisor-enhanced >double whammy, menace with 6K throttle twist. Her smirk says she is taking >out some recent dissing on those she thinks are in passive flower-smelling >mode. > >BOH-4. Past intersection, a cageman with Diplomatic plates cuts me off in >changing lanes from right to left. He had been substantially behind me and >knew I was there. I give sunvisor-enhanced double whammy and hornstab. I >surmise he's from a country where other traffic hibernates on holidays. > >BOH-5. On Rte 50 east, a previously rear-view identified weaver cageman >attempts to move into me as I am cruising in left lane at extra speed. He >at least knew I was in area someplace. He wakes up as I am on left shoulder >yellow line braking and horning; he waves apologetically and returns to >starting lane. I give sunvisor-enhanced double whammy. Holidays are >surely his sun-up to -down playtime. > >BOH-6. Returning, at Bladensburg Road and NYAve, two tuxedoed heavies are >handing out a Farrakhan pub and pies for donations. They hold up traffic >through a green while a deal is done and they probably explain entire F. >platform to driver. Many horns sound. As they are probably on armed turf, >I give sunvisor-enhanced double whammy and move quietly along. Police on >holiday, they are thinking. > >Brains On Holiday. Brings back memories of the 7/6 BDC totalling of my >EN500. > >Dare I yearn for the discipline of Rush Hour? > >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 Being trained to roar fiercely >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 12 22:31:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12980 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07567 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28645 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:31:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuk121@XXXXXX Received: from Chuk121@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BKGKa03786; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:28:37 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <6519d187.3622bad5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:28:37 EDT To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: bike for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 i still have my '85 VF 500F for sale.... with extra parts, fairings, and solo seat... just needs brake pads, tail light stalks... i live in millersville, near glen burnie.. the bike is red whit and blue... i am the 2nd owner, has 13k miles, laid down once (low speed), has been repaired.. thanks chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 02:32:15 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA22686 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA27957; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:28:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:26:43 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F9@GROVER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Westbrook, Richard wrote: > That could be a refreshing departure from the typical > scantily-clad-busty-babe centerfold that we are used to seeing. Err,it would?Are you feeling okay? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 02:37:52 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA22902 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA27984; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:34:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:30:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361E816B.9AD5359A@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Ken Shephard wrote: > The Enfield is now made only in India, although it is authentuic tooling and > the company is a direct descedent. It is an interesting beastie, but not as > cheap as one would think, something like a 350 starting at $3500.00 would be a > neat toy for $1500.00 ;). Actually still has a kickstart. Rode one at an open > house 2 years back, wouldnt want to use it as my commuter bike, but would make > an ok city bike. IMHO... Actually,they also make a second model you guys forgot to mention.Can't remember the name,but it's a 250cc single that runs on _deisel_.Only has like a 1.5 gallon tank,but it gets 200mpg.Even though it's a small motor and has a comp release,I bet it's a mother to kick in the winter. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 02:45:36 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA23163 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA28025; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:41:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:39:03 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361EC934.92995C9C@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > I'm not sure if anyone ever caught a pic of it, but I remember watching > a 250 gp race a bout two years ago where the track surface was a bit > higher then the infield grass... Those guys were going through the > corner with their elbows dragging in the grass lower than the pavement > the bikes were on!! The announcers were going nuts (as was I)...Isn't > physics great!! Back around '89,when I was in England,I had a copy of _Superbike_ with a centerfold of a 250 racer touching his elbow down.Can't remember who, but he rode for Galoches(sp?,cigarette brand)Blondes Yamaha. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 02:48:40 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA23258 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA28034; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:45:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:43:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199810092346.TAA05876@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > Ural ? It was a dream bike in 70-ish Poland. Ewww.Wonder what they'd think of the 'Bird? > Only army was gettgin > them, so they were rare. You mean like the Harley VR's? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 03:28:12 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA24894 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA28193; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:24:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:19:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: A few TL/bike questions..... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7308309a.3621e92a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/12/98 3:58:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX > writes: > << I put 100/80 headlight bulbs in > but I dont think that could cause ignition switch fuses to blow after 20 > minutes of riding. >> > Depending how it is wired it just might. Yep.I've heard of people with older bikes putting in megawatt halogen bulbs and cooking their actual ignition switches.After a fuse blows, is the switch warm? My advice would be to ditch the floodlights.If you want to be more visible in the daytime,your normal high beam should be plenty.80/100's aren't going to do much more than piss off other drivers unless you need them for edurance racing or driving in the boonies. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 03:32:05 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA25103 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA28240; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:28:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:26:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: SV650 To: George Howell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005101bdf408$db7a8f40$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > Funny. Had I ever bought the Bandit, the first thing I'd do is ditch the > fairing, and get a Speed Triple setup up front. _Bike_ mag had a long-term test Bandit 12 w/out the fairing(you can get them like that over there).They put on a set of dual lights w/a scoop-like fairing that was kind of like the ones on the old Beemer 650 S's.Looked tough. Don't remember if this was posted before,but a cool site for street- fighter bits is: http://www.motoventure.com/ The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 08:36:35 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07314 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9492000B4; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:36:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981013081342.00fdf410@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:17:36 -0400 To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: buying used In-Reply-To: <687ed16f.361eaa72@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:29 PM 10/9/98 , MARKSOMM@XXXXXX wrote: >I just agreed to buy a '91 VFR with 12K miles, Givi luggage, Corbin seat, >center stand, great shape for $3500. However, I insisted that I be allowed to >drive it around a bit and return it for a refund within a certain time period >if I wasn't satisfied with the way it ran. The owner refused and the deal >fell through. Probably the best is to take it to a mechanic and ask for an evaluation. That should satisfy both parties. I can see the owner's concern about the bike coming back damaged, though if the time allowed was only 30 minutes and there was no visible damage, I'd doubt you could have destroyed it. He may not have wanted to deal with hassles if you came back and said "it runs fine but I don't like its feel". Personally, I'm with you - that's a lot of money to put on something you've never ridden/driven. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 08:36:35 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07315 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A94A2000B4; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:36:29 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981013083532.00fd79c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:38:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Winter Riders [was: care in forwarding & replies In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE90@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:13 AM 10/12/98 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >I agree, I went on the CAMS polar bear ride, that was cold. For the humor of all, and dedicated to those who ride their motorcycles, here's a collection I've been putting together over the years. Chris Norloff **************************************************************************** ********* You know you're a winter rider when ... Sand in the road looks good 'cause it's less slippery than ice. Your cycle cover is frozen to your cycle. Chris Norloff ******************************** You Know you're a winter rider when ... The fog on the inside of your helmet visor turns to ice. Bill McLoone ******************************** ... preparing for the daily commute you tell yourself things like: There isn't really *much* ice on the road After all it's only a 30 minute ride, how bad could it be? I don't really mind looking like a leather-covered Michilin Man I really *must* look into electric garmets ... Gotta ride. The alternative is that #$@*&@^% Metro. It's not all that cold .. the bike started, didn't it? Brian Downey ******************************** You Know you're a winter rider when ... You listen to the traffic reports more carefully than the weather reports. Leon Begeman ******************************* You know you're a winter rider when you hope it is cold enough for light snow instead of light rain! Carl B. ******************************* You know you're a winter rider when . . . . . . the frozen snot on your face thaws as you smile at the attractive member-of-the-opposite-sex in the car sitting next to you at the light and you realize that your nose is running. -Vo ;) '93 XLH 1200 (Vera Osidach) ******************************* You know you're a winter rider when: you don't know what gasoline "stabilizer" is. you get to work and you look like you just hijacked a 747. you try with every fiber of your being not to kill people who ask "but isn't it cold???" you go outside in shorts when it's 40 degrees. -Sash (Michael "Sash" Dow) ****************************** When you're very adept at steering the bike with just your right hand, because your left hand is intermittently down in the engine getting warm. tjoseph@XXXXXX ****************************** You know you're a winter rider when: ... you ride in the winter and don't notice the difference. Dark Hacker ****************************** You know you're a winter rider when: You carry a lock de-icer so you can unlock the frozen gascap Brian McCoy ****************************** "You know you're a winter rider when ..." You install a throttle lock so you can alternately switch which hand gets warmed up by the engine. Dale (the Horkster) Horstman ***************************** "You know you're a winter rider when ..." When it takes you as long to get dressed and undressed as the trip takes. When you begin to consider gloves with only two fingers. When you keep a lighter to heat the key to melt through the ice on the ignition. you console yourself "at least it's not X degrees..." (X is a number 5 less than the current temp and continually dropping. You begin to purchase face masks that only Hannibal (the cannibal) Lecter could love. kornhaus@XXXXXX **************************** When you go riding because it's finally sunny [and 25 degrees] Bobb Todd Owen Sound, Ontario **************************** When you walk in to a 7/11 on a 20 degree day with all your gear on, and people look at you funny because there is a 6 inch icicle hanging off the chin of your helmet from the condensation of your breath running down the faceshield. Richard Wood **************************** When you are riding to work and have convinced yourself you're actually having fun commuting in 20-degree weather on a motorcycle. Todd Peer **************************** When you get to work and you dont start "working" until you have peeled off your 3 extra pairs of pants, 2 extra shirts, 2 pairs of socks, etc etc..... Jack WantAZX6@XXXXXX *************************** ...It takes longer to dress for work than it does to get there. ... the first thing you shovel out after a snow is a path to you bike in the garage. .... you take a cold shower in the morning as a primer for the ride to come. (It works) Gary (WV) Castleman hon1@XXXXXX ************************** Your electric vest gets more use than your parka. You think the dried tear tracks on your face make you look "distinguished". No one else in your Sunday morning riding group wants to ride because it's too cold. Two wheel slides are easy. You get cold *after* you park and get off the motorcycle. Gary Harris - NYC ************************* You find yourself still exhaling though your mouth blowing the exhaled air down across you chin AFTER removing your helmet! kornhaus@XXXXXX ************************* you have one of those little electrical block heater plugs sticking out of the grill of your BIKE one word: OUTRIGGERS you have to watch out for caribou rather than deer you even know what "hippo hands" look like you are not from california and you ride in january Doug Jacobs ************************ You know you're a winter rider when you go out to go to work and look at the windshield of the car and decide rather than scrape the heavy frost to just fire up the GoldWing instead! E.L McGuire *********************** The back of your gloves are waterproofed by SNOT! Randell Hendricks ********************** You decide to take the bike because "The electric vest heats up faster than the pickup truck." Cindi Knox ********************* It takes two days of riding to get your tires warmed up...and now the only reason they're warm is because you've ridden to Miami! David Pipe Grand Junction,Colorado ********************* ...when you get your bike out and all directions are south ...when all your clothes have tags that say "thinsulate" ...when your coffee freezes before you stop shaking enough to drink it ...when your pee tube ends up being a popsicle ...when 10 weight oil is too thick for the temperature ...when at a stoplight, the guy asks you "what are those spikes doing in your tires?" ...when you go to a snowmobile drag race and try to enter your bike ...when you start the bike and yell "Mush" before you leave ...you have to thaw out your zipper to take a wiz ...you added a decal to your bike that says "ATV" ...you drink the can of "Heat" instead of pouring it in the gas Terry Smith ******************** ... when it freezes the balls off the pool table. Eddie Metz ******************** On a related theme -- You know it's cold when: The local cops follow you every where you go. Then you find the Law Enforcement Officers have a pool on when you will crash. The officers have already written the ticket for reckless driving. The person with the highest stake in the pot is a snowplow driver. Sam Liles ******************* You know you're a winter rider when stuff freezes in your jacket pockets. Jim Culp ******************* From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 08:51:07 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07802 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACB631F0274; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:51:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981013085020.00fdaad0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:53:17 -0400 To: Dc Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday In-Reply-To: <003801bdf668$9d07aec0$8c4837a6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:16 AM 10/13/98 , Jon S. wrote: >Exactly why I never ride in the city. Those kind of people are not restricted to driving in the city. My experience is that there's more problems in the outlying suburbs because everyone has to drive everywhere, and little slowdowns add up because you're always having to drive somewhere - so people cut corners. When I lived in Centreville and commuted into DC every day, I saw a lot more red-light runners and dangerous lane changers in the suburbs than I did in the city. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 08:51:08 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07805 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACB731F0274; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:51:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981013085356.010eccf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:54:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: A few TL/bike questions..... In-Reply-To: References: <7308309a.3621e92a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:19 PM 10/12/98 , Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Yep.I've heard of people with older bikes putting in megawatt halogen >bulbs and cooking their actual ignition switches.After a fuse blows, >is the switch warm? > My advice would be to ditch the floodlights.If you want to be more >visible in the daytime,your normal high beam should be plenty.80/100's >aren't going to do much more than piss off other drivers unless you >need them for edurance racing or driving in the boonies. Those who have the desire or need for more powerful headlights should put them on relays, controlled through the existing headlight switch. No problems. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 08:51:09 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07807 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACB831F0274; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:51:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981013085501.00fe9df0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:55:54 -0400 To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday In-Reply-To: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I give sunvisor-enhanced >double whammy Okay, I'll bite ... what's a "sunvisor-enhanced double whammy"? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 08:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07835 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4SCX2CTR>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:51:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hit from Behind Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:51:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) If he wants? I'd be damn sure he pays for the damages to your bike. Did you get his insurance information? Glenn > No, no he meant that he was dumb. He even called me sir. Real nice guy, I > am > going to let him pay for the parts if he wants. ($833) plus soemthing for > my > old race boots. I can buff the scratch on the frame. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 09:06:09 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08560 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zT49N-0006nX-01; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:06:06 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:04:36 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DA34@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter Riders [was: care in forwarding & replies Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:02:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I LOVE this one! This is one of the many reasons why I ride through the winter!! - Jeannette > Gotta ride. The alternative is that #$@*&@^% Metro. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 09:08:27 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08616 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zT4BZ-0006zc-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:08:21 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DA35@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , Dc Cycles Subject: RE: Brains On Holiday Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:05:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I actually do feel safer riding in the city. I started riding here (DC) and I think the cagers are at least used to the peds and the couriers. In the suburbs they look at you like you're a flying saucer half the time when they almost hit you. - Jeannette > When I lived in Centreville and commuted into DC every day, I saw a > lot > more red-light runners and dangerous lane changers in the suburbs than > I > did in the city. > > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 09:23:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09117 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14995 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (known portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07490 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA26526 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:19:26 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:19:26 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF3855C3@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Non moto - 1998 Darwin Awards (long) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:23:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "BD" isn't just for cagers... > INTRODUCTION > > They have finally been released! For those not familiar with the Darwin - > it's an annual honor given to the person who did the universal human gene > pool the biggest service by getting killed in the most extraordinarily > stupid way. > > As always, competition this year has been keen again. Some candidates > appear to have trained their whole lives for this event. > > The Darwin Awards Nominees > > 1. In September in Detroit, a 41-year-old man got stuck and drowned in two > feet of water after squeezing head first through an 18-inch wide sewer > grate to retrieve his car keys. > > 2. In October, a 49-year-old San Francisco stockbroker, who "totally zoned > when he ran," according to his wife, accidentally jogged off a 200-foot > high cliff on his daily run. > > 3. Buxton, NC: A man died on a beach when an 8-foot-deep hole he had dug > into the sand caved in as he sat inside it. Beachgoers said Daniel Jones, > 21, dug the hole for fun, or protection from the wind, and had been > sitting in a beach chair at the bottom Thursday afternoon when it > collapsed, burying him beneath 5 feet of sand. People on the beach, on > the outer banks, used their hands and shovels, trying to claw their way to > Jones, a resident of Woodbridge, VA, but could not reach him. It took > rescue workers using heavy equipment almost an hour to free him while > about 200 people looked on. Jones was pronounced dead at a hospital. > > 4. In February, Santiago Alvarado, 24, was killed in Lompoc, CA, as he > fell face first through the ceiling of a bicycle shop he was burglarizing. > Death was caused when the long flashlight he had placed in his mouth (to > keep his hands free) rammed into the base of his skull as he hit the > floor. > > 5. According to police in Dahlonega, GA, ROTC cadet Nick Berrena, 20, was > stabbed to death in January by fellow cadet Jeffrey Hoffman, 23 who was > trying to prove that a knife could not penetrate the flak vest Berrena was > wearing. > > 6. Sylvester Briddell, Jr., 26, was killed in February in Selbyville,Del., > as he won a bet with friends who said he would not put a revolver loaded > with four bullets into his mouth and pull the trigger. > > 7. In February, according to police in Windsor, Ont., Daniel Kolta, 27, > and Randy Taylor, 33, died in a head-on collision, thus earning a tie in > the game of chicken they were playing with their snowmobiles. > > 8. [Ineligible, but credit given for trying] AUGUSTA, ME - Four people > were injured in a string of bizarre accidents. Sherry Moeller was > admitted with a head wound caused by flying masonry, Tim Vegas was > diagnosed with a mild case of whiplash and contusions on his chest, arms > and face, Bryan Corcoran suffered torn gum tissue, and Pamela Klesick's > first two fingers of her right hand had been bitten off.... > > Moeller had just dropped her husband off for his first day of work and, in > addition to a good-bye kiss, she flashed her breasts at him. "I'm still > not sure why I did it," she said later. "I was really close to the car, so > I didn't think anyone would see. Besides, it couldn't have been for more > than two seconds." However, cab driver Vegas did see, and lost control of > his cab, running over the curb and into the corner of the Johnson Medical > Building. Inside, Klesick, a dental technician, was cleaning Corcoran's > teeth. The crash of the cab against the building made her jump, tearing > Corcoran's gums with a cleaning pick. In shock, he bit down, severing two > fingers from Klesick's hand. Moeller's wound was caused by a falling piece > of the medical building. > > 9. [Ineligible, better luck next year!] Taos, NM - A woman went to a > poison control center after eating three birth control vaginal inserts. > Her English was so bad she had to draw a picture describing how she > believed she had poisoned herself. A translator arrived shortly > thereafter and confirmed doctors' suspicions. Marie Valishnokov thought > the inserts were some kind of candy gum, being unable to read the foil > wrappers. After the third one, she realized something was wrong when her > throat and mouth began to fill with a sour-tasting foam. She ran for the > Poison Control Center, only a few blocks away where doctors were able to > flush the foam from her mouth, throat, and stomach with no ill effects. > > 10. On February 3, 1990, a Renton, Washington man tried for robbery. This > was probably his first attempt, as suggested by the fact that he had no > previous record of violent crime, and by his terminally stupid choices as > listed below: > a. The target was H&J Leather & Firearms, a gun shop; > b. The shop was full of customers, in a state where a substantial portion > of the adult population is licensed to carry concealed handguns in public > places; > c. To enter the shop, he had to step around a marked Police patrol car > parked at the front door; > d. An officer in uniform was standing next to the counter, having coffee > before reporting to duty. > Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up and fired > a few wild shots. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, > removing him from the gene pool. Several other customers also drew their > guns, but didn't fire. No one else was hurt. > > 11. In France, Jacques LeFevrier left nothing to chance when he decided to > commit suicide. He stood at the top of a tall cliff and tied a noose > around his neck. He tied the other end of the rope to a large rock. He > drank some poison and set fire to clothes. He even tried to shoot himself > at the last moment. He jumped and fired the pistol. The bullet missed > him completely and cut through the rope above him. Free of the threat of > hanging, he plunged into the sea. The sudden dunking extinguished the > flames and made him vomit the poison. He was dragged out of the water by > a kind fisherman, and was taken to hospital, where he died - of > hypothermia. > > DARWIN AWARD HONORABLE MENTIONS > (1) In Guthrie, OK., in October, Jason Heck tried to kill a millipede with > a shot from his .22-caliber rifle, but the bullet ricocheted off a rock > near the hole and hit pal Antonio Martinez in the head, fracturing his > skull. > > (2) In Elyria, Ohio, in October, Martyn Eskins, attempting to clean out > cobwebs in his basement, declined to use a broom in favor of a propane > torch and caused a fire that burned the first and second floors of his > house. > > (3) Paul Stiller, 47, was hospitalized in Andover Township, NJ, in > September, and his wife Bonnie was also injured, by a quarter stick of > dynamite that blew up in their car. While driving around at 2 am, the > bored couple lit the dynamite and tried to toss it out the window to see > what would happen, but they apparently failed to notice that the window > was closed. > > (4) Taking "Amateur Night" Too Far: In Betulia, Colombia, an annual > festival in November includes five days of amateur bullfighting.This year, > no bull was killed, but dozens of matadors we injured, including one gored > in the head and one Bobbittized. Said one participant, "It's just one > bull against [a town of] a thousand Morons." > > AND THE WINNER IS.... > Japan Times-April 16, 1997. "The government must crack down on this > disgusting craze of 'Pumping'", a spokesman for the Nakhon Ratchasima > hospital told reporters. "If this perversion catches on, it will destroy > the cream of Thailand's manhood." He was speaking after the remains of 13 > year old Charnchai Puanmuangpak had been rushed into the hospital's > emergency room. "Most 'Pumpers' use a standard bicycle pump," he > explained, "inserting the nozzle far up their rectum, giving themselves a > rush of air, creating a momentary high. This act is a sin against God." > > It appears that the young Charnchai took it further still. He started > using a two cylinder foot pump, but even that wasn't exciting enough for > him, so he boasted to friends that he was going to try the compressed air > hose at a nearby gasoline station. They dared him to do it, so, under > cover of darkness, he snuck in. Not realizing how powerful the machine > was, he inserted the tube deep into his rectum, and placed a coin in the > slot. As a result, he died virtually instantly, leaving passers-by still > in shock. One woman thought she was watching a twilight fireworks display, > and started clapping. "We still haven't located all of him", say the > police authorities. "When that quantity of air interacted with the gas in > his system, he nearly exploded. It was like an atom bomb went off or > something." > > "Pumping is the devil's pastime, and we must all say no to Satan," > Ratchasima concluded. "Inflate your tires by all means, but then hide > your bicycle pump where it cannot tempt you." > > Let's hear it for Charnchai Puanmuangpak, the NEW 1998 undisputed Darwin > Award recipient! > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 09:59:53 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10661 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20056 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4X5LT4MF>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC671@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Vinson Funk Memorial Fund Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:01:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain for the non-CAMS > -----Original Message----- > From: Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS [SMTP:WeinsteJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:35 AM > Subject: Fw: Vinson Funk Memorial Fund > > a worthy cause. > ---------- > From: Lee, Robert > To: Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS > Subject: Fw: Vinson Funk Memorial Fund > Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:41AM > > John, this is from Rick Laughlin.......please forward to the CAMS group. > thanks!!!! > ---------- > From: rlaughli@XXXXXX > To: rlee@XXXXXX > Subject: Fw: Vinson Funk Memorial Fund > Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:33AM > > TO ALL CAMS...Vinney was one of our field superintendents based at our > GSA > project in Indiana. He was on his way home from work, on his bike, when a > drunk driver did a hit & run. Vinney was killed at the scene. We are > trying to get everyone together for a ride to help his family out. If you > can come...please do. INVITE ANY AND ALL who might like to ride. > > Thanks. > > Rick > ---------------------- Forwarded by Rick V Laughlin/service/mcdean on > 10/09/98 07:29 AM --------------------------- > > > "Rick Laughlin" on 10/07/98 10:14:26 PM > > To: Rick V Laughlin/service/mcdean > cc: > Subject: Fw: Vinson Funk Memorial Fund > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy Logothety > To: 'CT15@XXXXXX' > Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 1:07 PM > Subject: Vinson Funk Memorial Fund > > > >A 28 year old Front Royal motorcyclist died in a drunk driving related > >crash when he was hit head on by a drunk driver. In an effort to help > >his mother with the cost of a footstone for Vinnie's grave some friends > >are putting together the > > > >Vinson Funk Memorial Fund > >Benefit Run > > > >$ 5.00 per hand > > > >Saturday October 17th 1998 > >(Rain date October 25th) > > > >Please join us on our ride (all bikers welcome) so we may raise money > >for a Footstone for Vinnie's grave. All unused money will be sent to > >MADD in Vinnie's name so we can help in the fight to stop unnecessary > >deaths caused by drunk drivers. > > > >Sign up will begin at 10:30 until 11:30 at South Fork Cycles on Bel Air > >Ave. in Front Royal. Last bike to pull out at 12 Noon finishing at > >Carl's Pizza by 3:30 PM. > > > >Prizes will be awarded to the best 2 hands 50/50 Drawing and raffles > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 10:07:45 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10869 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BTEJa22052; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f6b0f4b.36235e69@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:06:33 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/13/98 8:53:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << If he wants? >> That is rather than me making a claim against his insurance company which, at his age, might refuse to insure him in the future. Yes, he is insured. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 10:14:15 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11229 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 320 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:13:11 -0400 Message-ID: <36236025.15B8D393@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:13:57 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Winter Riders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snipped from Chris Norloff's collections of sayings: > When you walk in to a 7/11 on a 20 degree day > with all your gear on, and people look at you funny because there > is a 6 inch icicle hanging off the chin of your helmet from the > condensation of your breath running down the faceshield. > Richard Wood Whatever happened to Richard Wood anyway? I miss his posts? Is he just lurking, or did he drop off the list? We needs more crusty old guys like him (with all his great stories) around! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 10:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12626 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810131450.KAA12626@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <45TK1FTR>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:50:04 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Winter Riders Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:46:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) you're not a crusty old guy Horkster? coulda fooled me.. :P (young, single and lovin it) Brian -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] We needs more crusty old guys like him (with all his great stories) around! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 10:57:42 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12998 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2X497YO3Y8Y4Z11@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:59:40 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:01:47 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Hit from Behind To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <36236B5A.7BE04686@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3f6b0f4b.36235e69@aol.com> Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/13/98 8:53:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Dysart@XXXXXX writes: > > << If he wants? >> > That is rather than me making a claim against his insurance company which, at > his age, might refuse to insure him in the future. Yes, he is insured. > I guess your foot doesn't hurt that bad....if some guy I don't know slammed into me damaging me and my bike I wouln't hesitate to pursue insurance coverage. That's why it exists, IMHO. Sorry to hear about the accident, Fred.....you should join a 211/250/33 run with us some time. Our group has had pretty good luck on that route. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 11:16:03 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13851 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14552 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4X5LT4M9>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:17:16 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC676@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Frame slider and Knee puck info Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:17:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Roy Turner, I don't have anything with your email addy on it here at work, so I'm posting this to everyone... Here's the website I was telling you about that had the frame sliders for sale. They're a little higher than I thought, but not too bad... I may just get some of the material and make them myself for significantly less... I've heard nothing but good about the company, and their Irvine knee pucks are supposed to be excellent... I'll be getting a pair of em for next season.. http://www.IntuRace.com/products.htm Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 11:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13941 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810131520.LAA13941@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <45TK1GYR>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:20:32 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: 211/250/33 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:17:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) yea.. almost flawless.. cept my little irragitional riding one day.. I still think the road/route gets borring after the 3rd weekend in a row.. -----Original Message----- Sorry to hear about the accident, Fred.....you should join a 211/250/33 run with us some time. Our group has had pretty good luck on that route. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 11:21:06 1998 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13951 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <4K7KZK8G>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:19:00 -0400 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A8418E0EB@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Comments on last week Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:18:58 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I just got back from 10 days in the southwest. Started in Vegas for the AMA final race. A little dissapointing, only about 2000 spectators (in a venue that is made for NASCAR). The paddock is really nice there. Lots of garages. Some of the big teams didn't even use the garages though. I met Steve Crevier. He was smiling from ear to ear after winning the 600 title. He did some excellent burn-outs and stoppies after the victory. Excellent first 1/2 of the superbike race until half the leaders blew up and left a precession for the finish. Drove rental cage to grand canyon and then to Santa Fe. No helmet laws on roads with 75 MPH speed limit. It was kind of scary seeing bikes ripping along at 80 with no helmets (mostly in t-shirts). The whole trip I only saw 2 groups with helmets. One group was BMW riders. They were obviously doing some long distance touring with alot of stuff strapped on the bikes. Another group was a bunch of sportbikes with full leathers and helmets (even the passengers were in full leathers). I even saw an older couple on a wing that were not wearing helmets, but had headsets so they could still use the comm system. About the blue flames out the back of the bike. I had that problem once. It had something to do with some mexican food I ate. I am planning on coming to the party on the 24th to meet some more of you (and hopefully on a group ride if I ever have a weekend off). Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 11:37:16 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14709 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95labpc13.law.cua.edu (lab23.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2X5MB5P8I8Y4ZAA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:39:14 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:57 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 211/250/33 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <01J2X5MB67508Y4ZAA@cua.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 I was not on that ride, and have yet to hear the full story.....other than that you went off, but not down (is this right?). The loop does get a little old, but never boring to me. And we've been switching it up a bunch, including only catching various segments of it. For example, yesterday's ride only caught the second gap of 211 and the first range west of Harrisonburg on 33.....an excellent stretch in my book, but who knows what the construction will do to those sweet switchbacks. Glenn also led us on the Elizabeth Furnace (?) road yesterday which was excellent...very little traffic, nice scenery, decent road condition....a must repeat. ---------- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:17 AM > > yea.. almost flawless.. cept my little irragitional riding one day.. > > I still think the road/route gets borring after the 3rd weekend in a row.. > > -----Original Message----- > > Sorry to hear about the accident, Fred.....you should join a 211/250/33 run > with > us some time. Our group has had pretty good luck on that route. > > -- > Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 11:43:35 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14837 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:43:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 5WIDa03786; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <477c5ac4.362374ab@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:41:31 EDT To: jstpeter@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Comments on last week Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/13/98 11:26:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jstpeter@XXXXXX writes: << Drove rental cage to grand canyon and then to Santa Fe. No helmet laws on roads with 75 MPH speed limit. It was kind of scary seeing bikes ripping along at 80 with no helmets (mostly in t-shirts). >> Hi Jay, I'm just curious. You were driving a car, what's so scary? Regards, ST From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 11:43:56 1998 Return-Path: DWillard@XXXXXX Received: from ss2.netimage.com (ss2.netimage.com [208.212.58.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14853 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.netimage.com (tralfaz.netimage.com [188.98.8.24]) by ss2.netimage.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18099 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.netimage.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:46:07 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A00609717742768E39A@tralfaz.netimage.com> From: David Willard To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:46:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That was me. Dave Willard. I was sad to leave the ride early, but I made a promise and I always keep them. The route and the company were great. I have never ridden in a group before and I enjoyed the experience. I was actually talked into going by a fellow who fell asleep in the shower and missed our start at the OCB(sorry to rat you our Hugh). I am new to the list, too. I get the digest version and finally made it through yesterday compilation. I probably will contribute very little to the daily conversations, even less than Gary (the quiet lurker), but I do want to participate in future group rides. It was nice meeting all of you. A special thanks to Anita for organizing the ride and to Gary for the winter storage tips. Dave Willard 1980 XS 11 Special From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 12:32:01 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16974 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:33:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:33:06 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jstpeter@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Comments on last week Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey Jay, I was in Vegas that same time. I thought the races were pretty good but, = you're right, attendance sucked. See, if we would have had DC-Cycles = shirts, we probably would have seen each other. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 12:39:54 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17112 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09584; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4X5LT43C>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:41:03 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC67F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Jay St. Peter'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Comments on last week Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:40:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay St. Peter [SMTP:jstpeter@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:30 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Comments on last week > > About the blue flames out the back of the bike. I had that problem > once. It had something to do with some mexican food I ate. > hmmm, Collin makes mental note for new jet propulsion system for racebike....big Taco Hell run the night before racing!!! :) If it don't make the bike go faster, at least it'll daze and confuse the competition behiind me. he he he > I am planning on coming to the party on the 24th to meet some more of > you (and hopefully on a group ride if I ever have a weekend off). > Cool... Hope to see ya there..Stephanie (I hope I remembered the correct name for your wife :)) coming with you? > Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 12:43:55 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17470 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10140; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4X5LT43D>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC680@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'SCOTT Rush'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jstpeter@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Comments on last week Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:44:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I watched a replay of one of the world GP races last night.. They estimated attendance there between 60 and 70 THOUSAND people!! Too bad we'll never see half that at a m/c race over here.....Motorcycles are a way of life everywhere else in the world but here it seems...motorcycle and race car drivers are idolized elsewhere like football stars and snoozcar drivers are here.. I think if racing as a sport ever got some mainstream media coverage it might grow a little, but it'll never get like it is in Europe... :( Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT Rush [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Comments on last week > > I was in Vegas that same time. I thought the races were pretty good but, > you're right, attendance sucked. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 12:46:44 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17527 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 353; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:45:41 -0400 Message-ID: <362383E2.5F4A5ACF@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:46:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: DC Cycles List , Leon Begeman Subject: Re: crusty old guys References: <199810131450.KAA12626@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > you're not a crusty old guy Horkster? coulda fooled me.. :P (young, > single and lovin it) Nah, I'm not old enough, and my stories aren't good enough - yet! Speaking of stories, fate and circumstance dictated that our very own Leon (resplendent on his big new touring bike) should pull up to me going my way at a light on Dale Blvd as I began the commute to hell-I-mean work yesterday morning. This is strange, I thought, he usually goes the other way, he works in Pentagon City (I think) and I work in Chantilly. He flips up his visor and says to me "I need to to take back the cylinder head on the 250, I'm going to Chantilly this morning." Big Grin. (Editor's Note: I suspect he may have been waiting for me, there were too many coincidences!) I ask which way he wanted to go, and he said "This is your route in the morning, you decide." Heh, heh, looks like I'm gonna be a little late for work this morning! After working the past two weekends, I figured I could use a little sanity break. :) I led the way toward the general direction of the wonderful little town of Clifton. It is more or less on the way to Chantilly, sort of, and I usually reserve the good rides for my trip home from work in the evenings, when I am usually more than ready for a little backwoods scratching. Someday I'm planning on hosting a ride through this area, since it's so much fun. This morning, I'm headed for the crown jewel of roads in this area, Hampton Road. Suddenly, I'm starled away from my impromptu road planning by the horn on Leon's luxo touring rig. By reflex, I check to see if theres anything wrong in the mirrors, all looks ok, I think he wan't to pull over for a quick consultation. "Ever been down Kincheloe before?", he asks. Ah yes, Kincheloe. That god-for- saken goat path of a washboarded mother of a dirt road. I've seen overgrown driveways that were smoother. I've been in strip mines that were easier to ride. I've seen war-torn battlefields in movies and books that looked less desolate. I think that Mars Rover did it's shakedown cruise on this road. There's a reason that thing has a top speed of 0.001 mph. :) Yep, good ol' Leon wanted to ruin a perfectly good morning by riding along this barren moon-scape of dirt and gravel when perfectly good twisties awaited. :) Typical Leon. No wonder his other bike is a John Deere. ;) Actually, Kincheloe isn't that bad on a street-bike, I just don't like traveling down dirt roads with anyone else. Too much crap gets kicked up by the rider in front to be enjoyable. I think it would be a blast on a dual-sport, however. So anyway, I somehow convince Leon that life is better on paved roads, after all, neither one of us has knobbies mounted, so off we go again, towards civilization. :-) I won't bore you with the details of the cool twisties, the light traffic, the absolute beauty of the roads and the woods that early in the morning, or the busy moto-cops who somehow didn't nab us for slighly elevated speeds on the Fairfax County parkway, let's just say it was a good morning for a ride. My normal commute of 21.3 miles somehow ended up running almost twice that, and I slinked into the office at around 9:45am, with a rare smile on my face for a Monday morning. Thanks for the company, Leon! That was a nice ride. Horkster PS: I shudder when I remember those dark terrible days of my youth when I was forced to sit huddled in my cage for ages along with the thousands of other cages, trapped, being slowly tortured and smothered by the incredibly awful traffic horrors of I-95. It's amazing what a change a new job location in the burbs, and a new commuting vehicle/ weapon/therapeutic device/play toy have done for my outlook on this, once the most dreary and drudging of tasks, the morning commute. Or, in other words, thank God for motorcycles. Ride safe, everyone! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 13:01:47 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18037 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13893; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4X5LT432>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC681@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: crusty old guys Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:02:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain You ba$tard (said in my best Southpark imitation) Glad to hear the morning ride was so fun...I realized as I neared the last real exit before town that I forgot to fuel up after Anita's ride.... caught the exit and got gas, but that exit doesn't have access back to 66 east (just west) but it does conveniently have spout run and access to GW parkway... Would have been real nice except when I got on the parkway, I pulled in right behind a park policeman that felt like going exactly the 40 mph speed limit :( > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 12:56 PM > To: McCoy, Brian NAB02 > Cc: DC Cycles List; Leon Begeman > Subject: Re: crusty old guys > > I won't bore you with the details of the cool twisties, the > light traffic, the absolute beauty of the roads and the woods > that early in the morning, or the busy moto-cops who somehow didn't > nab us for slighly elevated speeds on the Fairfax County parkway, > let's just say it was a good morning for a ride. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 13:14:49 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18809 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id NAA02961; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:14:44 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id NAA13333; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:14:43 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A00609717742768E39A@tralfaz.netimage.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, David Willard wrote: > That was me. Dave Willard. I was sad to leave the ride early, but I made a > promise and I always keep them. > The route and the company were great. I have never ridden in a group before > and I enjoyed the experience. I was actually talked into going by a fellow > who fell asleep in the shower and missed our start at the OCB(sorry to rat > you our Hugh). I find you a bike then introduce you to the group and this is the thanks I get. Clean but sleepy, Hugh A. Caldwell ZR750-C2 VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 13:49:07 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20163 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:49:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6TOBa17798; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a572104.3623924c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:47:56 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hit from Behind Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/13/98 10:57:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << Sorry to hear about the accident, Fred.....you should join a 211/250/33 run with us some time. Our group has had pretty good luck on that route. >> Next time I see some messages on such a ride I'll try to make it. BTW the bike is rideable once I get a new foot-peg holder (ordered) or I can use the old one I welded back together in my garage, and use the straightened (but not real straight) shift rod but I don't trust my welding much for important things.LOL The rest of the damage is esthetic so if the guy doesn't pay for the parts I'll get it done at a dealer at the insurance company's expense. In other words I can ride the ZX-9R if I want. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 14:07:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20915 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19060 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17167 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 223 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:07:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981013140605.0198ca10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:06:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: A-HA! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Support for my Maryland Driver theory.... 11 Killed In Car Crashes - (MD STATEWIDE) -- It has been a deadly few days on Maryland highways. At least eleven people died over the weekend in crashes that stretched from Easton in Talbot county to Savage in Howard County. Police say inclement weather... including light drizzle in many parts of the state... contributed to the death toll. An accident in Chase resulted in the death of three youngsters and serious injury to three others. None of them was wearing a seat belt. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) Im a bettr typist than any of yoo. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 14:11:11 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21050 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26253 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4X5LT4PC>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:12:25 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC685@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: interesting website Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:12:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone with rugrats and deep pockets (or heavily into S&M with deep pockets) might be interested in this... They look really cool (whole herd of em out at Summit last time) but at that price..... For the sidecar afficianados on the list, look at the vittorazi's... CT From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 14:17:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21183 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19224 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17457 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27155; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4X5LT4PD>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC686@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Michael Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A-HA! Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:19:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Should I touch this one???? ... hmmmm.. I don't think so... > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Subject: A-HA! > > None of them was wearing a seat belt. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 14:21:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21551 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19297 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17643 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 391; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:20:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981013141917.01929880@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:20:35 -0400 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: A-HA! In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC686@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I didnt write it, a Washington Post staff writer did :-P Poor grammar aside....it is interesting..... At 02:19 PM 10/13/98 , Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >Should I touch this one???? ... hmmmm.. I don't think so... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >> Subject: A-HA! >> > >> None of them was wearing a seat belt. >> >> ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 14:28:44 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21675 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28882; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4X5LT4P3>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:30:02 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC689@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: interesting website Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:29:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain You guys should practice your phsychic abilities!! I was staring at the webpage and projecting the url out into space... :) http://www.imca.ltd.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > > > > And where, pray tell, is this web site? > > :-) > Chris > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 14:38:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22067 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19673 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17995 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:33:05 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525669C.0065A7C4 ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:30:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525669C.006516BB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:30:19 -0400 Subject: US M.C. racing popularity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline There was a time when motorcycle races in the US had that type of popularity. Way back when board track racing was in existence. I've read that it was extremely popular. No doubt due to the fact that it was just this side of a death sport. Steve Beck Too bad we'll never see half that at a m/c race over here.....Motorcycles are a way of life everywhere else in the world but here it seems...motorcycle and race car drivers are idolized elsewhere like football stars and snoozcar drivers are here.. I think if racing as a sport ever got some mainstream media coverage it might grow a little, but it'll never get like it is in Europe... :( From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 14:49:56 1998 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22477 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA24643; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA03457; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA26920; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:49:13 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA26912; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:49:11 -0700 Received: by HQ-MSG04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <4Y4N8JBN>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:49:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: crusty old guys - commuting Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:49:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) > It's amazing what a change a new job location in the burbs, and a new > commuting vehicle/weapon/therapeutic device/play toy have done for my > outlook on this, once the most dreary and drudging of tasks, the morning > commute. > > Or, in other words, thank God for motorcycles. Ride safe, everyone! :) > -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > ** Speaking of a new commute, I'll be starting my new job at Sprint in Reston in November. It's an easy, breezy ride from Oakton and Hunter Mill Road, to Lawyers, to Reston PWay, to Sunrise Valley. Scenic and not too insane traffic wise. I'll start riding into work on casual Friday's and see if I can make it a daily thing. Should be fun! :-) - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 14:55:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22895 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20020 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wxserver.aws.com (known aws.com [204.156.11.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18782 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jonjon.aws.com ([204.156.11.16]) by wxserver.aws.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA322 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:47 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:39 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDF6B9.8A914200.dbiser@aws.com> From: dbiser@XXXXXX (Don Biser) Reply-To: "dbiser@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: interesting website Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 6 TEXT You guys should practice your phsychic abilities!! I was staring at the webpage and projecting the url out into space... :) Why did you send it twice? :-)))) Donnie Biser From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 15:00:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23037 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20102 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19035 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA29222; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA08532; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA00743; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:59:27 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA00737; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:59:26 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4QMHL357>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:59:25 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Trailering a bike to GA Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:59:24 -0700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hi guys, > It's time for me to go to Georgia to drop off the Virago 750 I bought for > my brother. I was planning on trailering it down since it's really not in > any shape to be ridden down. Plus I don't fancy riding that old bike > alone to Georgia. > > The reason for this message: I've never trailered anything before! I was > planning to rent a 5' x 8' trailer from U-haul and leave it in GA. Unless > of course I could borrow someone's trailer for a 4 days. :-) Here are the > ???? > > ** How much do you think a permanent hitch would cost to be put on a > Toyota Celica GT? > ** Know of any companies that do that sort of thing? > ** Advice for parking with a trailer attached. > ** Suggestions for tools to bring in case something goes wrong. > ** Advice on fighting fatigue. I've never driven alone long distances. > > Any advice is appreciated so please reply directly to me at this address > or after Oct 15 to ursulina_viteri@XXXXXX > > THANKS A BUNCH!!! > > -- Ursulina > 1998 Kawasaki 454 LTD begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(AH2`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y`0```````#H``$(@`<` M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0@`!0`$```````````` M`0D`!``"``````````$%@`,`#@```,X'"@`-``L`.P`8``(`3`$!((`#``X` M``#.!PH`#0`+`#L`&``"`$P!`0F``0`A````,#4S.44R.38P-38P1#(Q,3@T M1C8P,#@P-49%03,X-#D`XP8!!(`!`!@```!4``&`""`&``````#`````````1@````!4 MA0```0````0````X+C```P`"@`@@!@``````P````````$8``````84````` M```+``.`""`&``````#`````````1@`````#A0````````L`!(`((`8````` M`,````````!&``````Z%`````````P`%@`@@!@``````P````````$8````` M$(4````````#``:`""`&``````#`````````1@`````1A0````````,`!X`( M(`8``````,````````!&`````!B%````````'@`(@`@@!@``````P``````` M`$8`````-H4```$````!`````````!X`"8`((`8``````,````````!&```` M`#>%```!`````0`````````>``J`""`&``````#`````````1@`````XA0`` M`0````$``````````@$)$`$```#*`P``Q@,``!@%``!,6D9U'OM`R`,`"@!R M8W!G,3(U%C(`^`M@;@X0,#,SZ0%5,S8!Z"`"I`3T`@`$8V@*P'-E=#`@_0A0 M;0W@!@0%X`*#`%`#U)$1BD<@3P>`9V$"@&9]"H`(R"`["6\.,#4U%@]E#B`X M`H`*@75C\P!0"P-L:0_Q"-`30@O#6#(@2!G1#E!P`V!T`P60$7$Q(&D@9W4X M>7,L"J(*A`J`273J)P0@=`=Q(`(0!<`=49QT;QO`'@`=\4=E!;`69P)D M`V!P(&\+`2`=(&@=8%9I2#`&Q$?T&1R M+B"A=V$$(`M1;N\#``\@'W`#H'0@(`,0!G'%(P%I!4!D;W<#H`"0?&YC'6`D M$!T!"7`'0&Q](9!N&R`;H`.@`'`AD'.U$;!P'=-B'6`%$&0!`.<#H"1"(B`@ M4`I`!"`@L-DD0&XG(2$`<&,AD"BT1L'4#(`!P*A`CH&$G+D$D$27Q1T$GT55N]R.@!!$?@"`%H`AP$>`@H?\U MT2H"!;`#8`?@+,`'@"JAKQT",K8%L1[@-!\@81OPT2(@.BTI)^!(+R$F$)LY MH1_"/SI1'"HJ*AJ0E31*:,\$7\IHRS``"`UDB^C.H4[44'<9'8-X!UD"K%K M(O(#\/\?P#'Q,J8IP`&0$:`)@"N%W3M14R#P+>`^@&D"(`0@_2T#;P;P'1$F MT2/$`Z!`4-\V$3(`>1=P-@#R#W1YA$]2S2:2$!(O(HT!TPW1O092(A M+C@?,&DN0"8!_RJ3*I$C$"E0/H`HX0>0*XOZ028Q844$+6$F@!L`!9#_!S`; M,"H0+,`BD2RA+'(+4/(U\3.P"X",85]%$%91:4!H&R`;`,`#$"Y"$2N;2$%.`DL%\$$@ M0E5.0\Q((5J`'"HM+3-@5T6A'"0Q.3DX04!A(F$68470.*`U.+!,5$0+'"05 M(0!><````P`N```````+``(``0```!X`<``!````&````%1R86EL97)I;F<@ M82!B:6ME('1O($=!``(!<0`!````&P````&]]N.VBJHW\/1AZA'2MA$`(*]N M-D0`!$YD0``+`!<,``````,`74``````0``Y`!!Z[)?;]KT!`P#Q/PD$```> M`#%``0````D```!54E-53$E.00`````#`!I``````!X`,$`!````"0```%52 M4U5,24Y!``````,`&4```````P#]/^0$```#`"8```````,`-@```````P"` M$/____\"`4<``0```"P```!C/553.V$](#MP/4%45#ML/4A1+4U31S`X+3DX M,3`Q,S$X-3DR-%HM-#0U``(!^3\!````2@````````#`/@_`0```!$```!6:71E`/H_`0```!$```!6:71E`!T.`0```!@```!4`#40`0```$(````\0CDQ-#0T.4)!031$ M1#(Q,3@T1C4P,#@P-49%03,X-#DP-$%&0S9`:'$M;7-G,#@N;G=E; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14728 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19353 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981013145546.00a20570@pop.cmr.gov> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:00:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: pre ride briefing... sounds like a good idea. In-Reply-To: <199810122018.QAA10018@radagast.wizard.net> References: <70c6b699.3622515f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:18 PM 10/12/98 -0400, Anita wrote: >On 12 Oct 98, at 14:58, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >> You really had to be there, and perhaps you should find out some details >> on how our ride was joined first. There was very little time to go >> through a "ride rules" session. > >After being on two group rides this weekend, I think I'm going to >allow time for a little "ride rules session" before the next group ride >I lead (or instigate). Not so much because of what happened >Saturday, but just as a good general rule. This sounds like a really good idea... at least as far as just a general, "this is what we're doing, this is what to do if there's a problem, here's a couple quick handsigns to use if you have to communicate smething while we're on the road," etc. sort of session. Don't know if there's any scuba divers on this list, but a "pre dive briefing" is one of the things that any good "dive operator" will do before hand. If they're anal, they also will check your dive logs, etc too. It can be a matter of life and death, once you're underwater... a hostile environment. Wouldn't be a bad idea for motorcycling too. -- "Nobody knows anybody. Not that well." Gabriel Byrne as Tom Reagan Miller's Crossing -- Joel and Ethan Coen, 1990. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 15:18:49 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23868 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810131917.PAA23868@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <455JSXGS>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:17:53 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: this is interesting.. Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:14:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) soo.. you're tired of hearing Collin and myself talking about the track.. you're ready to jump in and see what we're going on and on about.. this might tempt you somemore.. maybe.. 1993 Honda CBR 600 F2, 1993 Honda CBR 600 F2 for sale. It is race ready and supersport legal. It was formerly AGV's backup endurance bike. Features include: Two Brothers stainless steel exhaust DynoJet jetkit Ohlins fully adjustable rear shock Recently rebuilt cylinder head by Redline Performance Motorsports Fresh Dunlop 207's Trick Two Brothers seat section 520 Conversion Some extra parts This bike is bulletproof. Very well maintained. Great first race bike or bike for track days. , $2,500.00, (301) 916-1325 wendl@XXXXXX Tis the season to be buying.. faa la la la laaa... la la la laaa... ;) Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 15:21:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23987 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20445 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19771 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA16692; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA19400; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA19722; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:55:58 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA19715; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:55:56 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4QMHLLXC>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:55:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Trailering a bike to GA Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:55:54 -0700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hi guys, It's time for me to go to Georgia to drop off the Virago 750 I bought for my brother. I was planning on trailering it down since it's really not in any shape to be ridden down. Plus I don't fancy riding that old bike alone to Georgia. The reason for this message: I've never trailered anything before! I was planning to rent a 5' x 8' trailer from U-haul and leave it in GA. Unless of course I could borrow someone's trailer for a 4 days. :-) Here are the ???? ** How much do you think a permanent hitch would cost to be put on a Toyota Celica GT? ** Know of any companies that do that sort of thing? ** Advice for parking with a trailer attached. ** Suggestions for tools to bring in case something goes wrong. ** Advice on fighting fatigue. I've never driven alone long distances. Any advice is appreciated so please reply directly to me at this address or after Oct 15 to ursulina_viteri@XXXXXX THANKS A BUNCH!!! -- Ursulina 1998 Kawasaki 454 LTD begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(C<0`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y`0```````#H``$(@`<` M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06``P`.````S@<*``T` M"0`W`#8``@!D`0$@@`,`#@```,X'"@`-``D`-P`V``(`9`$!"8`!`"$````S M-C,X13(Y-C`U-C!$,C$Q.#1&-C`P.#`U1D5!,S@XXXXXX#F!@$$@`$`&````%1R M86EL97)I;F<@82!B:6ME('1O($=!`/@'`0V`!``"`````@`"``$#D`8`Q`@` M`"T````#``"`""`&``````#`````````1@````!2A0``MPT``!X``8`((`8` M`````,````````!&`````%2%```!````!````#@N,``#``*`""`&``````#` M````````1@`````!A0````````L``X`((`8``````,````````!&``````.% M````````"P`$@`@@!@``````P````````$8`````#H4````````#``6`""`& M``````#`````````1@`````0A0````````,`!H`((`8``````,````````!& M`````!&%`````````P`'@`@@!@``````P````````$8`````&(4````````> M``B`""`&``````#`````````1@`````VA0```0````$`````````'@`)@`@@ M!@``````P````````$8`````-X4```$````!`````````!X`"H`((`8````` M`,````````!&`````#B%```!`````0`````````"`0D0`0```(\#``"+`P`` ML00``$Q:1G4;%M>^!P`*`0<+8&YG,3`S.C,!]R`"I`/C`@!C:`$*P'-E=#`@ M0T>D($\'@&=A`H!]"H")",@@.PEO,3(X`H#9"H%U8P!0"P-C`$$+M``R($AI M(&=U>1QS+`JB"H0*@$ET)W4$('0'<2`"$`7`%N%T3F\54!>0%X%'906P9XL' M,!=R9`-@<"!O`2"%%K!H%O!6:7)A%[$D-S40H$D@!N!U9W9H!4`7$WD:4`-@ M&5%RLBX:,7=A!"`+46X#`/<.8!D``Z!T&;`#$`9Q')%B:05`9&]W`Z``D&Z^ M8Q;P':`6D0EP!T!L&R"^;AM@'9`#H`!P&R!S$$#:!"7`#`C`?H"`U)R!X(!XX*\`<]1<` M`V$@52V]$$!U`R``<".@'3!A)]&3':$?@4=!(6%5;ATP^P01&1`@!:`(#?+Z$PPBDT%[`'D7<#8`Y@]T$H/H4F8FD:D1R"(F`6P-T5 M8&4;L2?(&,!I)]`?D?\D(R0A'*`BX#@0(G$'D"4;ND$?P6$^E";Q(!!P"7#Z M8P`#!``0````D```!54E-53$E.00`````#`!E```````,`_3_D!``` M`P`F```````#`#8```````,`@!#_____`@%'``$````L````8SU54SMA/2`[ M<#U!5%0[;#U(42U-4T`#A``0````D```!54E-53$E.00`````" M`?L_`0```$H`````````W*=`R,!"$!JTN0@`*R_A@@$`````````+T\]0514 M+T]5/4%45%=3+4A1,2]#3CU214-)4$E%3E13+T-./5524U5,24Y!````'@#Z M/P$````1````5FET97)I+"!5`#E``0````D```!54E-5 M3$E.00````!````#T``0````$````` M````'@`=#@$````8````5')A:6QE; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4Y7ZXDH6>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:24:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: pre ride briefing... sounds like a good idea. Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:24:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain When I plan to ride my Magna underwater, I'll keep that in mind (just kidding!). > ---------- > From: Dan Brown[SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 3:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: pre ride briefing... sounds like a good idea. > > At 04:18 PM 10/12/98 -0400, Anita wrote: > >On 12 Oct 98, at 14:58, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > >> You really had to be there, and perhaps you should find out some > details > >> on how our ride was joined first. There was very little time to go > >> through a "ride rules" session. > > > >After being on two group rides this weekend, I think I'm going to > >allow time for a little "ride rules session" before the next group ride > >I lead (or instigate). Not so much because of what happened > >Saturday, but just as a good general rule. > > This sounds like a really good idea... at least as far as just a general, > "this is what we're doing, this is what to do if there's a problem, here's > a couple quick handsigns to use if you have to communicate smething > while we're on the road," etc. sort of session. > > Don't know if there's any scuba divers on this list, but a "pre dive > briefing" is one of the things that any good "dive operator" will do > before hand. If they're anal, they also will check your dive logs, etc > too. It can be a matter of life and death, once you're underwater... > a hostile environment. Wouldn't be a bad idea for motorcycling too. > > > > > -- > "Nobody knows anybody. Not that well." > Gabriel Byrne as Tom Reagan > Miller's Crossing -- Joel and Ethan Coen, 1990. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 15:30:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24373 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20678 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com (known [208.138.226.5] [208.138.226.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20038 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:25:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Trailering a bike to GA Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:25:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Have you thought about taking the amtrak auto-train? I don't know if it makes any stops near where you wanna be, or how much it costs, but it's something to look into, and it'd probably remove a lot of stress from the situation. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 15:30:36 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24414 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <45YFW18S>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Trailering a bike to GA Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:28:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > It's time for me to go to Georgia to drop off the Virago 750 I > bought for my brother. I was planning on trailering it down since it's > really not in any shape to be ridden down. Plus I don't fancy riding that > old bike alone to Georgia. Come on.. be a hero. Its only about 6-700 miles. > The reason for this message: I've never trailered anything before! > I was planning to rent a 5' x 8' trailer from U-haul and leave it in GA. > Unless of course I could borrow someone's trailer for a 4 days. :-) Here > are the ???? > I could consider letting you use my trailer as long as its returned in the condition is was in before I gave it to you. When are you going I'm using it this weekend for sure? > ** How much do you think a permanent hitch would cost to be put on a > Toyota Celica GT? Installed and lights wired about $150. > ** Know of any companies that do that sort of thing? > Any travel trailer shop such as the one in Merrifield or any U-haul. > ** Advice for parking with a trailer attached. At rest areas use the truck parking that way you can pull straight out. Same with other lots. Find a spot big enough to hold two cars so that you don't have to back up. Short wheel base trailers are difficult to back up compared to longer wheels base trailers such as 18 wheelers. > ** Suggestions for tools to bring in case something goes wrong. Lug wrench to change a trailer tire. Spare fuses and bulbs too. > ** Advice on fighting fatigue. I've never driven alone long > distances. Obviously have plenty of sleep, use caffeine to help you stay awake. if you feel you are going to fall asleep find a rest area and take a nap. The good news if you are taking I-95 they have those strips on the side of the road to help keep you from running off the road. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 15:37:48 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24782 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 338; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3623ABF8.5C549BAB@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:37:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Willard CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A00609717742768E39A@tralfaz.netimage.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Willard wrote: > > That was me. Dave Willard. I was sad to leave the ride early, but I made a > promise and I always keep them. Sounds like you've got your priorities right. There will always be another group ride. Besides, you got the route sheet, right? You can finish it at any time! :) > The route and the company were great. I have never ridden in a group > before and I enjoyed the experience. Yeah, it's sort of neat. It's nice having people you can BS with who *understand* at rest stops every now and then. > Dave Willard > 1980 XS 11 Special That was a pretty cool bike. Shafties rule! See ya! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 16:05:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25902 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21473 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21342 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4Y7ZXDL2>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:05:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Trailering a bike to GA Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:05:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > I didn't respond earlier because I thought someone with more experience > would. Here's my 2 cents worth: > > You didn't say where in Georgia, but I would assume you're going down I-95 > south and picking up I-85 South in Greensboro, N.C. Will take you > straight into Atlanta. A little more scenic route is I-66 west to Front > Royal, pick up I-81 south to I-77 South into Charlotte, N.C., then pick up > I-85 South. I've traveled both ways, in a car and on motorcycle. I > usually go the I-66 Route when I'm on the bike, because I can stop off in > Asheville, N.C., to visit my mother and get the blood back into my buns > before traveling the rest of the way. > > I considered installing a trailer hitch once, and the cost was estimated > at about $150. Didn't have it done, though. > > U-Haul can do it at its warehouse location. You know, the main U-Haul > locations, not a service station with a couple of U-Haul trucks parked > outside. I believe Sears can do it also. > > I'll admit I have no clue the best method to park. I would park in a big > parking lot and straddle several parking spaces in the process. Park so > there is as little backing up involved as possible. > > Tools I would consider would be standard set of wrenches and sockets, but > I'd shoot for wrenches first if space was a problem. Hammer and > screwdrivers. You might consider a hydraulic jack; pretty cheap at > WalMart. > > Fighting fatigue is always a problem. Get plenty of rest the night > before. I always like leaving early, say around 6 a.m. Stop often and > drink plenty of Diet Coke (that's what I do; after the third Diet Coke, I > rarely pass a rest stop). Listen to a faster-beat radio station, but not > a easy-listening rock station; don't lull yourself asleep, and when those > jamming songs air, then do the Wayne's World rendition of Queen's Bohemian > Rhapsody. The main idea is to keep the blood flowing. Keep the car cool; > warmth makes it easier to doze off. > > This has turned more into 25 cents worth, I guess, but I know what you're > facing. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. > > Mitch > > BTW, is Kawaski re-issuing the 454 LTD? My first street bike was a 1987 > LTD, but I thought the 454 was replaced by the 500. > > Anyways, good luck. > > ---------- > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 12:55 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Trailering a bike to GA > > Hi guys, > > It's time for me to go to Georgia to drop off the Virago 750 I bought for > my brother. I was planning on trailering it down since it's really not in > any shape to be ridden down. Plus I don't fancy riding that old bike > alone to Georgia. > > The reason for this message: I've never trailered anything before! I was > planning to rent a 5' x 8' trailer from U-haul and leave it in GA. Unless > of course I could borrow someone's trailer for a 4 days. :-) Here are the > ???? > > ** How much do you think a permanent hitch would cost to be put on a > Toyota Celica GT? > ** Know of any companies that do that sort of thing? > ** Advice for parking with a trailer attached. > ** Suggestions for tools to bring in case something goes wrong. > ** Advice on fighting fatigue. I've never driven alone long distances. > > Any advice is appreciated so please reply directly to me at this address > or after Oct 15 to ursulina_viteri@XXXXXX > > THANKS A BUNCH!!! > > -- Ursulina > 1998 Kawasaki 454 LTD > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 16:52:03 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28058 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 ([206.38.82.28]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA08813 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:52:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3623BD2E.4075B9B4@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:50:54 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Trailering a bike to GA X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ursulina asked: ** Advice for parking with a trailer attached. Practice backing one up when you have it. Being able to back a trailer is a skill that is just as impressive as scraping pegs and it's no more difficult to learn. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 17:11:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28642 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22579 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25112 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:12:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:12:13 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mdpetty@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Trailering a bike to GA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The AutoTrain is non-stop from Lorton, Va to Florida. I've already = checked into it for other outings. Scooter >>> Mark Petty 10/13/98 03:25PM >>> Have you thought about taking the amtrak auto-train? I don't know if it makes any stops near where you wanna be, or how much it costs, but it's something to look into, and it'd probably remove a lot of stress from the situation. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 22:47:42 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12481 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA21535; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36243ADD.10D8@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:47:09 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Classic Look Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) > Actually,they also make a second model you guys forgot to mention.Can't > remember the name,but it's a 250cc single that runs on _deisel_.Only has > like a 1.5 gallon tank,but it gets 200mpg.Even though it's a small motor > and has a comp release,I bet it's a mother to kick in the winter. Gil, Remember where the company is located - in India ;) No winter there at all. I think you will find diesel engines ubiquitous in developing countries - just cheaper to run, but this is the first I have heard of a diesel moto. Interesting ! And you wrote: > Back around '89,when I was in England,I had a copy of _Superbike_ with > a centerfold of a 250 racer touching his elbow down.Can't remember who, > but he rode for Galoches(sp?,cigarette brand)Blondes Yamaha. It's "Gauloise" - pretty harsh tobacco too ;) I guess tobacco companies in Europe have pockets as deep as those in the USA to sponsor bikes/events. JK From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 22:58:42 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12908 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA21714; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36243D79.74ED@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:58:17 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Comments on last week Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BkrFamily@XXXXXX in response to a message from stpeter@XXXXXX wrote : >> Drove rental cage to grand canyon and then to Santa Fe. No helmet laws >> on roads with 75 MPH speed limit. It was kind of scary seeing bikes >> ripping along at 80 with no helmets (mostly in t-shirts). >> > Hi Jay, > I'm just curious. You were driving a car, what's so scary? > Regards, > ST ST, (sorry that this is late, I'm on digest mode) but this is a definite no-brainer. Tell me you weren't trolling to launch into (another) "freedom-equals-no-helmets" debate. Clearly, Jay feared for the consequences that might befall the riders dressed as they were (I was gonna qualify them as "irresponsible" but I wouldn't want to be perceived as responding to your bait. JK From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 23:33:21 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14137 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:20:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Trailering a bike to GA Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:23:06 -0400 Message-ID: <012f01bdf721$f5b36c80$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3623BD2E.4075B9B4@illuminet.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 For me, it's actually proven easier:) Could be something to do with having a boat in the family since 1981 (tractors and tobacco trailers before that) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 4:51 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Trailering a bike to GA > > > Ursulina asked: > ** Advice for parking with a trailer attached. > > Practice backing one up when you have it. Being able to back a trailer > is a skill that is just as impressive as scraping pegs and it's no more > difficult to learn. > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 23:33:22 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14139 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:20:43 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Winter Riders Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: <012e01bdf721$f3aca000$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36236025.15B8D393@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Met him once. He seemed interested in moving out of the area, back to upstate NY, if I recall. He wasn't riding much, and I don't remember hearing of any riders on yellow Magnas being taken out, so maybe he just cut and run? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 10:14 AM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Winter Riders > > > Snipped from Chris Norloff's collections of sayings: > > > When you walk in to a 7/11 on a 20 degree day > > with all your gear on, and people look at you funny because there > > is a 6 inch icicle hanging off the chin of your helmet from the > > condensation of your breath running down the faceshield. > > Richard Wood > > Whatever happened to Richard Wood anyway? I miss his posts? > Is he just lurking, or did he drop off the list? We needs > more crusty old guys like him (with all his great stories) > around! > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 13 23:33:24 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14141 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:22:24 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Classic Look Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:24:44 -0400 Message-ID: <013001bdf722$300aba00$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36243ADD.10D8@mnsinc.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Does Dunhill sponsor anybody? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn [mailto:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 1:47 AM > To: Gil M. Nissley > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Classic Look > > > From: "Gil M. Nissley" > Subject: Re: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) > > > Actually,they also make a second model you guys forgot to > mention.Can't > > remember the name,but it's a 250cc single that runs on _deisel_.Only has > > like a 1.5 gallon tank,but it gets 200mpg.Even though it's a small motor > > and has a comp release,I bet it's a mother to kick in the winter. > > Gil, > > Remember where the company is located - in India ;) No winter there at > all. I think you will find diesel engines ubiquitous in developing > countries - just cheaper to run, but this is the first I have heard of a > diesel moto. Interesting ! > > And you wrote: > > > Back around '89,when I was in England,I had a copy of _Superbike_ with > > a centerfold of a 250 racer touching his elbow down.Can't remember who, > > but he rode for Galoches(sp?,cigarette brand)Blondes Yamaha. > > It's "Gauloise" - pretty harsh tobacco too ;) > > I guess tobacco companies in Europe have pockets as deep as those in the > USA to sponsor bikes/events. > > JK > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 00:14:43 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA15778 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA02912; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:11:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:05:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Classic Look To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36243ADD.10D8@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > but this is the first I have heard of a > diesel moto. Interesting ! There's another diesel bike out there too.Can't remember the name,but it's made(was made) in France.It used a l-c 850cc inline 4 diesel from a car and only got a 'mere' 100mpg. Be cool as hell to pull into a truckstop and start pumping diesel into a bike! ;-) > It's "Gauloise" - pretty harsh tobacco too ;) Ever try John Player Special or Rothman's? ;-) > I guess tobacco companies in Europe have pockets as deep as those in the > USA to sponsor bikes/events. Do they still have the bans in some Euro countries?I remember a couple coutries made them race with plain bodywork cause cigarette ads were illegal. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 06:06:56 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00456 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:06:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RTOGa04133; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:05:17 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Classic Look Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/14/98 12:20:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << I think you will find diesel engines ubiquitous in developing countries >> Diesel powered automobiles are very common in Europe because of the price of gasoline. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 07:11:40 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02795 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981014111146.11464.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:11:46 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: RE: Trailering a bike to GA To: "'DC Cycles'" , George Howell , Leon Begeman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The longer the trailer wheelbase the straiter it will back up and the better it will follow. The bigger the trailer wheels it will ride easier, go faster, and the bearings will last longer. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 09:00:16 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06923 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA06846 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525669D.0069B3B8 ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:59:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525669D.00475521.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:00:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic Look Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Carl at W.I. told me about the diesel bike...only a 250 though. Imagine kickstarting that, and Jah help you if you get it wrong. If a standard kick start engine can injure a leg, imagine what the compression ratio of a diesel engine can inflict! -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Classic Look On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > but this is the first I have heard of a > diesel moto. Interesting ! There's another diesel bike out there too.Can't remember the name,but it's made(was made) in France.It used a l-c 850cc inline 4 diesel from a car and only got a 'mere' 100mpg. Be cool as hell to pull into a truckstop and start pumping diesel into a bike! ;-) > It's "Gauloise" - pretty harsh tobacco too ;) Ever try John Player Special or Rothman's? ;-) > I guess tobacco companies in Europe have pockets as deep as those in the > USA to sponsor bikes/events. Do they still have the bans in some Euro countries?I remember a couple coutries made them race with plain bodywork cause cigarette ads were illegal. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 11:19:41 1998 Return-Path: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12580 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3AHYa02539 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8ad78dc5.3624c028@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:15:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: winmail.dat Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Every so often the digest comes to me as a winmail.dat file and I lose a day's worth of mail from the list. Any suggestions? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 11:24:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12719 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04544 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amerchem.acs.org (known [208.209.231.222] [208.209.231.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20626 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA18133; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:24:05 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:23:25 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44CC@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" Subject: Motorcycles Mechanic Wanted! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:23:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey All, Do any of you have a mechanic that you trust pretty well. I have two bikes and while I do some work myself, I am looking for someone that I can trust. I have two bikes, one of which is fairly old (a 83 Interceptor). I want to get some work done to it (install an oil cooler), but I have gotten some conflicting reports from the mechanics that I have dealt with in the past. None of the mechanics that I have spoken to or asked questions of - have inspired any confidence. Anyone know of a good Mechanic Jason From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 11:33:27 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13160 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24737; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <469BSS6D>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D79E4@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'MARKSOMM@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: winmail.dat Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:34:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Flog the unworthy offender and make them buy all of us a coke :) Seriously though, that is annoying.. I'm on single message mode and it generally just shows up as an attachment so it's not a big deal, but it is annoying nonetheless. Also, could everyone please, please, please check their mail settings and turn off that annoying option to send mail as html!!! It's also very annoying cause some of those messages come to me in such a microscopic font that I either delete it or if I want to read it, I have to cut and paste it out and increase the font... At work they just show up as an extra attachment... > -----Original Message----- > From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:28 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: winmail.dat > > Every so often the digest comes to me as a winmail.dat file and I lose a > day's > worth of mail from the list. Any suggestions? > > Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 11:33:48 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13179 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25773 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981014153328.RHVM22777@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:33:28 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: The Party / The Tire Changer Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:32:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdf787$d406c120$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Hey everyone! The Party: The RSVP list is looking kind of small, but I know in fact many, many more people are coming over on the 24th. It's not entirely necessary that you RSVP, but any decent party has a goodly and varied table of FOOD. We need more people to step up and bring some entree type foods. With an RSVP, I can list you and others can see what is already being brought over. I will have all the dinnerware we need, coffee and a bunch of sodas. If someone has a cooler they can loan, that'd be great. I have one only, and that ain't gonna be big enough. http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ Leon's Circles session before the party is still on. There are two parking lots real close to my house I'd like to secure. One is on an elementary school property (preferable) and the other one is across the street at a community pool. The last couple of weekends, the school lot looked empty enough, so we'll see. In any case, I'll post directions to this must do event next week. The Tire Changer: Good news! We now have close to $400 in checks from listers who have decided they are fed up with paying ridiculus fees for a tire change. We are still $540 shy of the needed funds. A lot of people have told me they will bring a check to the party. That's fine, but remember if we don't get the money by the end of month, this will have become a non-starter. So, we need 18 more people to step up to this to make it happen. That's all. You can send a check to me, include a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope: Todd B. Peer 8605 Langport Drive Springfield, VA 22152 Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 12:01:06 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14286 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 358; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:00:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981014115908.00dbe990@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:00:19 -0400 To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: winmail.dat (Ursulina Viteri) In-Reply-To: <8ad78dc5.3624c028@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The only winmail attachment I see comes from Ursulina Viteri, but I dont know why that attachment would screw up the digest version.... At 11:15 AM 10/14/98 , MARKSOMM@XXXXXX wrote: >Every so often the digest comes to me as a winmail.dat file and I lose a day's >worth of mail from the list. Any suggestions? > >Mark Sommerfield ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 12:11:23 1998 Return-Path: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14703 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA13979; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA08873; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA18170; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:10:43 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA18113; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:10:35 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4QMHL62Y>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:10:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: winmail.dat (Ursulina Viteri) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:10:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Yes, yes, I know me and AT&T's network are the culprits. But tomorrow is my last day here so this should be the last of those wild jumbled endings to my messages! :-) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 9:00 AM > To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: winmail.dat (Ursulina Viteri) > > The only winmail attachment I see comes from Ursulina Viteri, but I dont > know why that attachment would screw up the digest version.... > > > At 11:15 AM 10/14/98 , MARKSOMM@XXXXXX wrote: > >Every so often the digest comes to me as a winmail.dat file and I lose a > day's > >worth of mail from the list. Any suggestions? > > > >Mark Sommerfield > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" > - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 12:17:49 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15091 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2YLBV4XNG8Y50GQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:19:44 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:21:51 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: winmail.dat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3624CF9F.5BD5568C@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D79E4@MSCEX> Sorry....as my email is always sent from a different terminal, I don't always check to see that formatting is correct. In the future (and present) I'll try to make sure that it is. Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Also, could everyone please, please, please check their mail settings and > turn off that annoying option to send mail as html!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 12:25:43 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15459 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2YLLJ7PWY8Y502V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:27:32 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:29:39 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Comments on last week To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <3624D173.1D04172@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <36243D79.74ED@mnsinc.com> John: ST seems to be the latest instigator on the list. Nothing seems to be proper by his standards, even including multiple cc: recipients in messages to ensure that those in digest mode will continue to be involved in topics during the day. John C. Kozyn wrote: > ST, (sorry that this is late, I'm on digest mode) but this is a definite > no-brainer. > Tell me you weren't trolling to launch into (another) > "freedom-equals-no-helmets" debate. > > Clearly, Jay feared for the consequences that might befall the riders > dressed as they were (I was gonna qualify them as "irresponsible" but I > wouldn't want to be perceived as responding to your bait. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 12:51:21 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16479 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03832 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <469BSS67>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D79E6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: interesting Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:52:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain this from M/C Online: Doohan, Slight and Edwards to Race Sunday in Japan Mick Doohan will join Aaron Slight, Colin Edwards and four other Honda riders for the final superbike race of the year at the Sugo circuit in Japan on November 1. Honda will also field Doohan's GP teammates Alex Criville and Tadayuki Okada. The TBC Big Road Race is also the ninth and final round of the All Japan Superbike Championship. This should be an intersting gathering!!! I wonder if any other regular SBKers or World GP types will be in it....Then it would be like the superbowl of superbike!! I sure hope speedvision carries this race and it doesn't get chopped by outdoor life (or whatever it is that comes on at 11pm)... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 13:10:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17302 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05506 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14170 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA12472 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:10:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: pesky oil light Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK folks, I need some ideas from the mechanically inclined here. My 1996 Virago 1100 Special is flashing its oil light at me for the first 5-10 minutes every time I take it out. Throttle seems to inspire it in any gear for the first 5-10 minutes. It stays on for a moment and goes back off. After 5-10 minutes you never see it again! The bike only has 1300+ miles on this oil change. There is plenty of oil in the view window (boy is THAT a pain to check when I can't get it on the center stand myself!) The bike runs fine (I LOVE this bike!) but I'm concerned about this light thing. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? I suppose I'll eventually take it in to Cycle Sport in Springfield and ask them about it but I'd like to run it by all of you first. Thanks! Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 13:25:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17879 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05678 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17260 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07603; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <469BSS7L>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D79E7@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dawn Gibson'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: pesky oil light Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:26:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain My first thought would be that you're oil is a little heavy and taking a while to warm up and get throughouot the engine... But 5-10 minutes is awefully long for that problem. Was the filter changed with the oil? (possible blockage that is opening the pressure bypass??). What weight oil are you using? 10w-40 may be a bit heavy for winter on the big twin.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn Gibson [SMTP:dreamer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 1:19 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: pesky oil light > > OK folks, I need some ideas from the mechanically inclined here. My 1996 > Virago 1100 Special is flashing its oil light at me for the first 5-10 > minutes every time I take it out. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 13:29:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18251 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05732 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (known avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18339 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote (ipb49.baltimore10.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.22.49]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05444; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810141729.KAA05444@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Smilin' Coyote" To: "Jason Picton" , "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" Subject: Re: Motorcycles Mechanic Wanted! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:27:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are in the baltimore area, i would highly recommend Bill and Karen at Cycle Parts Discounters. 410-944-1000. They are open tues through sat, 10-6 (i think). Bill has always been very helpful, steered me away from expensive mistakes, taught me how to do repairs, hell, he even lends me tools and tells me to put parts on in his parking lot so that if i run into problems, he can guide me. Good folks, small place. ---------- > From: Jason Picton > To: 'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)' > Subject: Motorcycles Mechanic Wanted! > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:23 AM > > Hey All, > > Do any of you have a mechanic that you trust pretty well. I have > two bikes and while I do some work myself, I am looking for someone that > I can trust. I have two bikes, one of which is fairly old (a 83 > Interceptor). I want to get some work done to it (install an oil > cooler), but I have gotten some conflicting reports from the mechanics > that I have dealt with in the past. None of the mechanics that I have > spoken to or asked questions of - have inspired any confidence. > > Anyone know of a good Mechanic > > Jason From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 15:04:17 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21859 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 270 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3624F59D.995D9668@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:03:57 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: The Party / The Tire Changer References: <000f01bdf787$d406c120$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Hey everyone! > > The Tire Changer: > Good news! We now have close to $400 in checks from listers who have > decided they are fed up with paying ridiculus fees for a tire change. We > are still $540 shy of the needed funds. So, we > need 18 more people to step up to this to make it happen. That's all. Let's go, people! Let's make this happen! If you plan on doing ANY kind of riding in the area, you will save big $$$ on tire costs by joining our little group. The going rate to mount and balance a tire when you bring in the wheel is around $25 at CPS. $30 will probably get you a couple of decent tire irons, but then you'll still need to break the bead and grunt and sweat to change them yourself. This tire changer eliminates all that hassle. If you change only one tire in your whole life, you break even. If you change two tires with the changer, you have saved money! And we can use this tire changer FOREVER! Come on! :) It seems we've added quite a few newbies to the list lately. This offer is open to anyone. Please email Todd or myself if you need more information. This seems to be an ideal opportunity. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 16:23:54 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25658 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA31389 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:23:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981014202318.USHZ22777@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:23:18 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Experienced RiderCourse (ERC) Announcement Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:22:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01bdf7b0$50b0a2e0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal We have a certified MSF instructor on our list volunteering to teach the Experienced Rider Course to a SET number of listers. Since he has volunteered his time this is free to you. IMO, someone willing to donate time and knowledge in this way deserves a big hand, or at least a nice dinner. So, contributions toward that end by those that attend will be appreciated. The ERC is intended for the experienced rider that is interested in learning more about road skills and riding. Per the MSF material found at http://www.msf-usa.org/ "In the classroom you'll discuss with your peers how to balance the mental and physical aspects of safe riding, manage risk, increase visibility and optimize your lane position. The Experienced RiderCourse also covers protective gear, rider responsibility, motorcycle inspection and care, the effects of alcohol and other drugs on riding, and an optional skill evaluation and knowledge test." You will: - Hone your skills - Fine-tune mental skills needed for survival in traffic - Use your own motorcycle - Learn to manage traction - Learn to brake, corner and swerve better - and more..... Since I believe there will be a significant turn out, and email is NOT the best way to first come first served, I will put all interested names in a hat and randomly draw for participation next Tuesday evening. If I haven't heard from you by then, sorry. I won't post any more email about this either, sorry. There is a possibility that our volunteer will have help on the range portion of the class. If that happens, then we may not need the lottery. At this time, there is room for up to 18 people for the class, with 6 participating in the range riding skills on class day, and the other 12 split between morning and afternoon the following day. Anyway, if you are interested in this send me some mail and I'll put your name/email account down. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 16:27:08 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25777 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRJZQPKS; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:26:07 EDT To: mobacc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday Message-ID: <19981013.095018.4471.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:26:07 EDT I was off yesterday, so if this was answered before, forigive me, but what the hell is a "sunvisor-enhanced double whammy?" JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 16:55:58 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27010 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 349; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: <36250FCD.71D76423@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:55:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: mobacc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday References: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> <19981013.095018.4471.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > I was off yesterday, so if this was answered before, forigive me, but > what the hell is a "sunvisor-enhanced double whammy?" My guess would be a "flip-up-the-visor-on-your-fullface-doubletake- meaningful-stare/evil-glare-with-a-What-the-F*?-expression at some clueless cager who tried to cut you off, or worse. At least, that's what I do. That's one downside of the full-face compared with my old 3/4 helmet. It's much harder to communicate with people in a meaningful way. Other than savagely furrowing my eyebrows, it's tough for folks to read my expressions while I'm helmeted. Of course, in this day and age, considering what little it takes to provoke me anymore, it's probably for the best. :| The Horkster (Glad that his kids can't hear most of the things he says about idiot cagers under his helmet.) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 16:57:03 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27060 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA21186; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:49:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv12-08.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.136) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021158; Wed Oct 14 15:49:41 1998 Message-ID: <002301bdf7b4$24a4dc80$970f4dc6@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken Shephard" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Experienced RiderCourse (ERC) Announcement Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:49:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 For once a weekday evening event, That I cabn actually attend. I am interested in being put in the 'Hat ' shall we say. Just give me enough time to get a sitter for the afternoon and evening thanks. and time to get wherever it will be held from here ;)... HDKnight 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 17:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27167 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 339; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:00:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3625110A.717252F5@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:00:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Experienced RiderCourse (ERC) Announcement References: <001e01bdf7b0$50b0a2e0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > We have a certified MSF instructor on our list volunteering to teach the > Experienced Rider Course to a SET number of listers. > Anyway, if you are interested in this send me some mail and I'll put your > name/email account down. Todd, Just one question, you say Tuesday evening. Do we have a spot available with enough lighting and free of commuter parking to pull this off safely? Or will it be out in the boonies somewhere, with nothing but our own little headlights to guide us? :) Where and what time? I should be able to break free. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 17:11:42 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27631 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA19193; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981014210825.VGRY22777@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:08:25 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ken Shephard" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Experienced RiderCourse (ERC) Announcement Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bdf7b6$9e5326c0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002301bdf7b4$24a4dc80$970f4dc6@uspppshephar1> Hi Ken, Sorry if you misunderstood something. What I said is I would stop taking interested submissions for participation Tuesday evening, and draw out who would participate. Most likely this class will take place on a Saturday and possibly Sunday depending on the number of people. Todd > For once a weekday evening event, That I cabn actually attend. I am > interested in being put in the 'Hat ' shall we say. Just give me enough > time to get a sitter for the afternoon and evening thanks. and > time to get > wherever it will be held from here ;)... > HDKnight > 1996 XLH 1200 > Ride Safe > Inwood, WV > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 17:15:05 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27766 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA11824; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981014211428.VIMH22777@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:14:28 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Experienced RiderCourse (ERC) Announcement Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bdf7b7$767e33a0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3625110A.717252F5@tidalwave.net> Hey folks, I will draw for participation next Tuesday. IOW, after next Tuesday don't bother sending me a note saying you want to play. We haven't set up a date yet for the course, but it will be during the day, and unless we have a torrential storm that day you won't need to use your headlights. Oh, didn't I mention?...true to MSF standards, this class and range time will be held 'rain or shine'. I mean, you do ride in the rain don't you? :P Todd Dale Horstman Wrote: > Todd, > > Just one question, you say Tuesday evening. Do > we have a spot available with enough lighting and free of > commuter parking to pull this off safely? Or will it be > out in the boonies somewhere, with nothing but our own little > headlights to guide us? :) > > Where and what time? I should be able to break free. > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 17:24:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28214 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08159 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05399 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19431 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981014172042.008b18c0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:20:42 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: FS 1987 FZR1000 $1900.00 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D79E7@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm selling my street FZR to fund my now five decimal point TL1000R racing habit. It has 46.4k miles. It need a fuel pump (125.00 used), front tire and the fairings have some minor road rash. The front brake disks will not pass MD inspection, but I have a set of YZF750 rotors that can be used to get it thru inspections, although they are going with my EX500 race bike which has been sold, but will not be picked up for a month or so. Originally I was going to fix all of the above and sell it in the spring asking 2.5k or so. However I don't have a lot of time and can use the money now, so I would sell it for what I have into it which is $1900. I paid 1.7k for the bike in '96 and bought a re-valved ohlins shock for it from Mark Andy for $200. I also bought clutch plates for it, not because it is slipping, but just because. They are still wrapped. Anyway, first 1900.00 takes it. I can deliver, at 130, or on one wheel if you like...:-) Please respond offlist, thanks Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 17:24:51 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28216 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id NICBa02343 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374cf35.362512de@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:08:46 EDT Cc: BikerHeavn@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: [SoberBikers] TEST Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_908399327_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_908399327_boundary Content-ID: <0_908399327@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello my Brothers & Sisters, I have a new toy for us to play with. I have an email list up and running due to a good friend of my in cyber space. 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Hello! ********************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this mailing list send mail to soberbikers-request@XXXXXX with the following on the *first* line of the message body (not the subject) unsubscribe To send an e-mail to the soberbikers group send your e-mail to soberbikers@XXXXXX Questions about Sober Bikers, contact bkrfamily@XXXXXX ********************************************************************** --part0_908399327_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 17:26:50 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28311 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA17870 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:24:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199810142124.RAA17870@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:26:22 -0400 Subject: RE: Experienced RiderCourse (ERC) Announcement Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002101bdf7b7$767e33a0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> References: <3625110A.717252F5@tidalwave.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 14 Oct 98, at 17:13, Todd Peer wrote: > I mean, you do ride in the rain don't you? :P Heck, not only I do I ride in the rain, but I learned how to ride while it was raining... we had some incredibly nasty weather (rain/wind/cold) for the first day of the Novice MSF class when I took it! Brrrr.... :-) One of these days I'm going to get me some rain gear, though! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (Was that *really* six hours of rain on the way back from WV?) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 18:06:20 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29964 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup21.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0F0U00ODX8136T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:05:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:01:25 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Genesis? To: pgerhardt@XXXXXX, DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002301bdf7d7$56b3dfa0$d54c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Paul, That's the party I'm talking about. I have to work till 5pm also, but will go right after work. The party will go till at least midnight. You shouldn't miss it, you'll see lots of cool bikes and put all the email addresses with faces. Let me know if you're gonna go, we could ride down together. Jon dawn.jon@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Paul Gerhardt To: fizzer@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 5:10 AM Subject: Re: Genesis? >Jon writes > >" BTW, are you going to the party next weekend?" > >If you are talking the DC cycles wing ding on the 24 (?) Have to work >till 5 so will miss it probably. What time will it be over? Would love >to bring the FZR after work. > >This weekend am going to the mtns hopefully. Camping nr Luray VA then >to ride mtns on Sun and return late pm. Am taking the big bike for this >one. > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >__________________________________________________________________ >Free mailing list by Cool List. http://www.coollist.com > > > >##Unsubscribe automatically at http://remove.coollist.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 18:40:00 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01313 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRJ9BEZ3; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:38:41 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday Message-ID: <19981013.114448.4471.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> <19981013.095018.4471.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> <36250FCD.71D76423@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,11-19,26-31,35-36,38-42 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:38:41 EDT >> what the hell is a "sunvisor-enhanced double whammy?" > >My guess would be a "flip-up-the-visor-on-your-fullface-doubletake- >meaningful-stare/evil-glare-with-a-What-the-F*?-expression at some >clueless cager who tried to cut you off, or worse. At least, >that's what I do. I've learned from my dogs that a severe tilt of the head (with an exaggerated shoulder shrug) conveys disbelief at some cagers' idiocy. I TRY to promote a positive image for motocyclists, but sometimes you just have to gesture meaningfully and hurl spit and insults at the inside of your visor, if any to make yourself feel better. >That's one downside of the full-face compared with my old 3/4 >helmet. It's much harder to communicate with people in >a meaningful way. Other than savagely furrowing my eyebrows, it's >tough for folks to read my expressions while I'm helmeted. Of course, >in this day and age, considering what little it takes to provoke me >anymore, it's probably for the best. :| One thing I really hate is people who pull up to within centimeters of my back tire at a stoplight. For them I do a slow turn and stare first at them and then at the distance between our vehicles (and back again) until they get the message. If this has no effect (rarely does, but I feel better), I have no qualms about raising my visor and shouting in my best drill sergeant voice, "How 'bout you just park that thing and ride with me if you want to be so close!" THAT usually works well. >(Glad that his kids can't hear most of the things he >says about idiot cagers under his helmet.) If my kids heard what I thought about poor drivers while I was riding, their eardrums would bleed. My wife and I are both relatively (and explicitly) vocal while in the car with them and still they have NO IDEA how black my heart is toward inconsiderate drivers. Saying "Do as I say, don't say what I say," more often than ever these days... JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 18:58:59 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02129 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-18.s18.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.18]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15759; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36253EA0.3CBD353C@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:15:28 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Bikes R Us , mobacc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday References: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> <19981013.095018.4471.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> <36250FCD.71D76423@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I take it to be the evil stare you can give with a dark or reflective tint full face with the visor down... kinda the Darth Vader thing going on... You can just follow them with your head as they go by and let their imagination fill in the evil grotesque death scare coming from behind the tint... That said, I ride with clear shield.. :( So they have to look at my ugly mug instead.. Collin Dale Horstman wrote: > > Bikes R Us wrote: > > > > I was off yesterday, so if this was answered before, forigive me, but > > what the hell is a "sunvisor-enhanced double whammy?" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 23:21:18 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12032 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.44.172.211]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 289; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:20:12 -0400 Message-ID: <36256AD2.9A8EB41D@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:24:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday References: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> <19981013.095018.4471.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> <36250FCD.71D76423@XXXXXX> <19981013.114448.4471.1.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JohnDavid, aka Bikes R Us, showing us more and more each day that dealership employees can in fact be pretty cool, wrote: > "How 'bout you just park that thing and ride with > me if you want to be so close!" THAT usually works well. This is classic! I can't wait to try it next time. :) Thanks for the late night grins! ;) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 14 23:53:02 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13288 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA08449; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:49:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:42:48 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: pesky oil light To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: "'Dawn Gibson'" In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D79E7@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > My first thought would be that you're oil is a little heavy and taking a > while to warm up and get throughouot the engine... But 5-10 minutes is > awefully long for that problem. Not really.I had 90w-135 in the primary of my S1 one year(stock lube is 80w-90).Once the temp dropped below 60 the bike would shift hard and you could even feel it being held back for about the first 20min or so.Granted the oil wasn't going through the engine,but the inside of the primary is the engine block,so it would eventially get up to the same temp as the engine oil. > Was the filter changed with the oil? (possible blockage that is opening the > pressure bypass??). I don't think so.The light goes out once the engine gets warmed.If there was a blockage,I would think the light would go on and off depending on the rpm(+rpm=+oil pressure). > What weight oil are you using? 10w-40 may be a bit heavy for winter on the > big twin.... Hey,me and Sarge are the only regular listers with Big Twins(tm)! ;-) 10w-40 is not heavy for an air-cooled motor.My Dyna and Buells use 20w-50 year round.My liquid-cooled Hondas used 10w-40. Dawn,who did the oil change and when?If a shop did it,see if you still have the receipt and see what weight oil they used.You might also want to check your owner's manual to see what weight oil is recommended.For a longitudinal V motor I wouldn't be surprised if they use heavy oil in the summer. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 00:05:03 1998 Return-Path: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13697 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3LUJa04134 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d3775cd.36257441@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:04:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: thieves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I went out Wednesday morning and the cover was half way off my bike. Some SOB had made an abortive attempt at stealing it. I have two great anti-theft devices though. First, my unbelievably intelligent dog barked at the guy. (I'm the idiot. I told the dog to shut up just like the time when my car stereo got stolen.) Second, my bike is hardly worth stealing, especially at the moment. The oil pan, exhaust, etc are removed and I need to get it further apart to fix it. Anyhow, I live in Annandale and there is a frustrated thief out there. Keep 'em locked up. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 00:59:12 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15780 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11156 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13072 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:56:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "BMW Motorcycle List" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Starting sans button and key in correct position Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:59:03 -0400 Message-ID: <017901bdf7f8$87985760$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, after my brother did something strange to my K bike last weekend, it seems that the battery got killed. Some kinda weird short? Possibly. Because now that the battery is charged back up, just attaching the ground cable causes the starter to spin. This is with the sidestand down, the key off, and no pressure on the starter. What electrical gadget needs to be looked at first? My guess is the starter or starter relay. Anyone know if they mount together on the K (like Chevrolets) or separate (the Jeep I used to have)? Somehow, haven't gotten around to getting the shop manual yet... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 01:46:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17798 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11452 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13679 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA03413; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:46:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: George Howell cc: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Starting sans button and key in correct position In-Reply-To: <017901bdf7f8$87985760$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > Well, after my brother did something strange to my K bike last weekend, it First, what did he do? Can it be undone? > seems that the battery got killed. Some kinda weird short? Possibly. Because > now that the battery is charged back up, just attaching the ground cable > causes the starter to spin. This is with the sidestand down, the key off, > and no pressure on the starter. Most likely, the solenoid is stuck ON. Did he run the starter for more than a few seconds at a time? Less likely, the starter motor is (mis)wired directly to the battery. Check the simple stuff first: disconnect the starter motor positive cable at the solenoid. This should stop the starter motor. Now turn on key and hit starter button. Is there a click at the solenoid? If not it's bad (unless there's a wiring problem TO the solenoid, which it sounds like there isn't.) If you don't know where the solenoid (relay) is, follow the positive battery cable. A bit fuzzy, but it's 2 a.m. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 01:57:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA18244 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11463 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13765 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WOXZa02341 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:57:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Starting sans button and key in correct position Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/15/98 1:52:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: << Most likely, the solenoid is stuck ON. >> This sounds about right... I know with a car, that is a sympton, imagine it cant be diferent on a bike... <> zZz.. Huh, oh, yeah... that too...Zzzz Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 09:13:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05843 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12986 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.cso.uiuc.edu (known mx2.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19214 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uiuc.edu (rochester-29.slip.uiuc.edu [130.126.25.29]) by mx2.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02123; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:12:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3625F4DC.515311CF@uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:13:00 -0500 From: "Chuck (Jack) Hawley" Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: BMW Motorcycle List , DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: BMW: Starting sans button and key in correct position References: <017901bdf7f8$87985760$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > Well, after my brother did something strange to my K bike last weekend, it > seems that the battery got killed. Some kinda weird short? Possibly. Because > now that the battery is charged back up, just attaching the ground cable > causes the starter to spin. This is with the sidestand down, the key off, > and no pressure on the starter. > > What electrical gadget needs to be looked at first? My guess is the starter > or starter relay. Anyone know if they mount together on the K (like > Chevrolets) or separate (the Jeep I used to have)? Somehow, haven't gotten > around to getting the shop manual yet... The starter relay in the box under the rear of the gas tank. It's easy to spot, since it has heavy wires screwed onto its terminals. You might be able to un-weld the contacts if you carefully take it apart...the contacts get welded when trying to start a K bike with low battery. Jack. -- Charles (Jack) Hawley Chuck....Ham Radio KE9UW AKA "Jack" BMW Motorcycles, MOA #224 K100RS Wife rides...Viki, MOA #18120 K100RS President IBMWR c-hawley@XXXXXX Sr. Research Engineer Emeritus University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 09:48:14 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07353 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRLVCBRG; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:47:56 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brains etc. Message-ID: <19981015.001515.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> <19981013.095018.4471.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> <36256AD2.9A8EB41D@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-7,10-16 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:47:56 EDT On Wed, 23:24:02 (You should be sleeping at this hour!) Horkster writes: >JohnDavid, aka Bikes R Us, showing us more and more each day that dealership employees can in fact be pretty cool, wrote: "How 'bout you just park that thing..." >This is classic! I can't wait to try it next time. :) >Thanks for the late night grins! ;) There's plenty more where that came from. I'm from the midwest, so pointed sayings are in my blood... It's this accursed suburban/urban living that puts the cutting edge on them ;^) JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ps. Thanks for the vote of confidence. :) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 09:48:22 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07355 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRLVCBS8; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:47:56 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday Message-ID: <19981015.001516.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <078201bdf649$52984bc0$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> <19981013.095018.4471.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <36250FCD.71D76423@XXXXXX> <36253EA0.3CBD353C@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,4-8,13-17 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:47:56 EDT On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:15:28 -0400 "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" writes: >I take it to be the evil stare you can give with a dark or reflective tint full face with the >visor down... kinda the Darth Vader thing going on... Cue the sinister music as Darth Vader enters the picture: Dum dum da-dum, dum DA-dum, dum DA-dum.... I'm thinking of buying one of those Arai dual-sport helmets (in black) for this very reason. It gives a very Vaderish/fighter pilotish sinister look to your countenance if you install a dark shield. I think this will achieve the Vader look better than the way I've been doing it. The cape keeps getting hung up in the rear wheel... JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 09:53:25 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07441 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA21079 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:52:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981015135249.SASX9853@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:52:49 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdf842$ede54ec0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal x-posted from HSTA... -----Original Message----- I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, 3 cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock, alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of Metro around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by surprise... I was headed back from Baskin Robbins with my manly triple-latte cappuccino blast ("No Cinnamon, ma'am, I take it BLACK"), when I stopped at a streetlight. As the Metro throbbed its throaty idle around me, I sipped my bold beverage and wiped the white froth my stiff upper lip. I was minding my own business, but then I heard a rev from the next lane. I turned, made eye contact, then let my eyes trace over the competition. Ford Festiva -- a late model, could be trouble. Low profile tires, curb feelers, and schoolbus-yellow paint. Yep, a hot rod, for sure. The howl of his motor snapped my reverie, and I looked back into the driver's eyes, nodded, then blipped my own throttle. As I tugged on my driving gloves and slipped on my sunglasses (gotta look cool to be fast, and I am *damn* cool, hence...), the night was split with the sound of seven screaming cylinders... Then the light turned... I almost had him out of the hole, my three pounding cylinders thrusting me at least a millimeter back into my seat, as smoke pouring from my front right tire... my unlimited slip differential was letting me down! I saw in the corner of my eyes, a yellow snout gaining, and I heard the roar of his four cylinders. He slung by me, right front wheel juddering against the pavement, and he flashed me a smile as his .7 extra liters of motor stretched its legs. I kept my foot gamely in it, though, waiting for the CHECK ENGINE light to blink on in the one-gauge (no tachometer here!) instrument panel. I saw a glimpse of chrome under his bumper, and knew the ugly truth... He was running a custom exhaust -- probably a 2-into-1 dual exhaust... maybe even cutouts! Damn his hot-rod soul! The old lady passing us on the crosswalk cast a dirty look in our boy-racer direction... Yet still I persisted, with my three pumping pistons singing a heady high-pitched song, wound fully out. Though only a few handfuls of seconds had passed, we were nearing the crosswalk at the other side of the intersection, and I heard the note of his engine change as he made his shift to second, and I saw his grin in his rearview mirror fade as he missed the shift! I rocketed by, shifting, and nursed the clutch gently in to keep from bogging, keeping my motor spinning hot and pulling me ahead, now trailing a cloud of stinking clutch smoke. Not ready to give up so easily, he left his foot in it, revving, and I heard one wheel *almost* chirp as he finally found second and dropped the clutch. We careened over the crosswalk, now going at least 15 miles per hour. A bicyclist passed us, but intent on the race as we were, neither of us batted an eye. He pulled slowly abreast of me, and neck and neck, we made the shift to third, the scream of motors deafening all pedestrians within a five foot circle. He nosed ahead as we passed 30 miles an hour, then eased in front of me, taunting, as we shifted into fourth. I was staring up the dual 6" chrome tips of his exhaust, snarling, my cappuccino forgotten, as he lifted a little to take the next corner. I saw my opportunity, and counting on the innate agility of my trusty steed, I pulled wide into the number two lane and kept my foot buried in carpet. Slowly, I inched around him, feeling my Metro roll slowly to the left as I came abreast in the midst of this gradual sweeping turn. I felt the Geo ease onto its suspension stops, and felt the right rear wheel slowly leave the ground - no matter, though, because my drive wheels, up front, were pulling me through the corner, and around the Festiva ... The Ford driver beat his wheel in rage as my wife's car eased past him on the outside, my P165/54R13's screaming in protest, as we raced to the next light. We coasted down, neck-and neck, to the red light. I tightened my driving gloves, ready for another round, when this WIMP in the next car meekly flipped his turn signal and made a right. Chevy (Suzuki) superiority reigns!!! I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility, looking for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a Volkswagon Van! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 10:16:10 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08298 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13305 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20851 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WGZYa03786 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9fe95d3f.3625ff78@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:58:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Brains on vacation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Someone wrote: "cape keeps getting caught in the rear wheel" Yeah I hear ya. My damn light saber keeps coming on intermittently and sawing my forks in half! I gotta figure out a safety for that thing. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 10:35:15 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09191 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:35:06 EDT Message-Id: <199810151035.AA64750698@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. X-Mailer: Great fun! Reminds me of my Mom - many years ago her daily driver was a 1952 Volkswagen, and Dad took the motorcycle to work. Mom said there was a Morris Mini in the area, and it was the only car she could beat in a drag race. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 10:36:20 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09212 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:37:41 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:37:18 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ROFLMOA!!!!! Scooter >>> "Todd Peer" 10/15/98 09:51AM >>> x-posted from HSTA... -----Original Message----- I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, 3 cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock, alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of Metro around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by surprise... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 10:39:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09240 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13459 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (known mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21500 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10968 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F0V00KGKI1ZLX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:39:31 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:36:48 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: Going in Circles To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DDCF@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain So, Leon, gonna do what we talked about last night with the trailer. Been thinking about it. I'm game. I used to run tractors with trailers. How hard can it be? Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Mission Sysrems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 10:54:42 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2.lmco.com (mailgw2.lmco.com [192.91.147.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10011 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (emss02g01.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw2.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16304; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F0V00JYCIQMOV@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:54:18 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:36 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all o f us. To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DDD4@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain What's a Morris Mini? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 11:04:18 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10448 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4Y7ZXGD7>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all o f us. Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:03:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the great story. Reminds me of my 1981 Toyota Tercel (may she rest in peace). Talk about a Hauler! Woo-whee! > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:51 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all > of us. > > x-posted from HSTA... > > -----Original Message----- > I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, 3 > cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock, > alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of Metro > around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by > surprise... > > I was headed back from Baskin Robbins with my manly triple-latte > cappuccino > blast ("No Cinnamon, ma'am, I take it BLACK"), when I stopped at a > streetlight. As the Metro throbbed its throaty idle around me, I sipped my > bold beverage and wiped the white froth my stiff upper lip. I was minding > my own business, but then I heard a rev from the next lane. > > I turned, made eye contact, then let my eyes trace over the competition. > Ford Festiva -- a late model, could be trouble. Low profile tires, curb > feelers, and schoolbus-yellow paint. Yep, a hot rod, for sure. > > The howl of his motor snapped my reverie, and I looked back into the > driver's eyes, nodded, then blipped my own throttle. As I tugged on my > driving gloves and slipped on my sunglasses (gotta look cool to be fast, > and I am cool, hence...), the night was split with the sound of > seven screaming cylinders... > > Then the light turned... I almost had him out of the hole, my three > pounding cylinders thrusting me at least a millimeter back into my seat, > as > smoke pouring from my front right tire... my unlimited slip differential > was letting me down! I saw in the corner of my eyes, a yellow snout > gaining, and I heard the roar of his four cylinders. He slung by me, right > front wheel juddering against the pavement, and he flashed me a smile as > his .7 extra liters of motor stretched its legs. I kept my foot gamely in > it, though, waiting for the CHECK ENGINE light to blink on in the > one-gauge > (no tachometer here!) instrument panel. I saw a glimpse of chrome under > his > bumper, and knew the ugly truth... > > He was running a custom exhaust -- probably a 2-into-1 dual exhaust... > maybe even cutouts! Darn his hot-rod soul! The old lady passing us on the > crosswalk cast a dirty look in our boy-racer direction... > > Yet still I persisted, with my three pumping pistons singing a heady > high-pitched song, wound fully out. Though only a few handfuls of seconds > had passed, we were nearing the crosswalk at the other side of the > intersection, and I heard the note of his engine change as he made his > shift to second, and I saw his grin in his rearview mirror fade as he > missed the shift! I rocketed by, shifting, and nursed the clutch gently in > to keep from bogging, keeping my motor spinning hot and pulling me ahead, > now trailing a cloud of stinking clutch smoke. Not ready to give up so > easily, he left his foot in it, revving, and I heard one wheel *almost* > chirp as he finally found second and dropped the clutch. We careened over > the crosswalk, now going at least 15 miles per hour. A bicyclist passed > us, > but intent on the race as we were, neither of us batted an eye. > > He pulled slowly abreast of me, and neck and neck, we made the shift to > third, the scream of motors deafening all pedestrians within a five foot > circle. He nosed ahead as we passed 30 miles an hour, then eased in front > of me, taunting, as we shifted into fourth. I was staring up the dual 6" > chrome tips of his exhaust, snarling, my cappuccino forgotten, as he > lifted > a little to take the next corner. > > I saw my opportunity, and counting on the innate agility of my trusty > steed, I pulled wide into the number two lane and kept my foot buried in > carpet. Slowly, I inched around him, feeling my Metro roll slowly to the > left as I came abreast in the midst of this gradual sweeping turn. I felt > the Geo ease onto its suspension stops, and felt the right rear wheel > slowly leave the ground - no matter, though, because my drive wheels, up > front, were pulling me through the corner, and around the Festiva ... > > The Ford driver beat his wheel in rage as my wife's car eased past him on > the outside, my P165/54R13's screaming in protest, as we raced to the next > light. We coasted down, neck-and neck, to the red light. I tightened my > driving gloves, ready for another round, when this WIMP in the next car > meekly flipped his turn signal and made a right. Chevy (Suzuki) > superiority > reigns!!! > > I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility, > looking > for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a Volkswagen > Van! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 11:08:30 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10555 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRLZH45T; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:01:00 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. Message-ID: <19981015.012821.8175.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000801bdf842$ede54ec0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 21-27 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:01:00 EDT This excellent story reminds of more than one car I've owned. Around 1985 I had a lovely yellow 1974 Volvo station wagon (never hit a motorcycle ever, I swear) which ran for over a month on three of its four cylinders before I figured out the reason it seemed so lackluster in performance. After that I drove a `70s Plymouth Ruster (er, I mean Duster) with a slant-6 motor that couldn't break traction in a gravel lot. THEN I hit the big time and bought an `82 Mazda GLC hatchback. Now THAT was a performance car! A real pocket rocket, as they were referred to in those days by all the cool car mags. This particular car was so cheap, it came (from the factory, mind you) with no passenger-side sun visor and no lighter socket. I'm not a smoker so the absence of a lighter socket only caused me anguish when I realized I couldn't power a radar detector. It was down on power too, so I skipped a few six-packs (that's how I counted money in those days) and had it tuned up BY A DEALER! Here is where the tongue-in-cheek portion of this story ends, because following that tune-up and a new clutch (several kegs for that one!) that little car ran like a bat-outta-hell. My roommate had an `84 VW Rabbit GTI, which at the time was considered the benchmark Pocket Rocket. We used to race all over Northern Virginia and though he was raised in Europe and was a very capable driver, I used to "eat his lunch" every time we got into it because my GLC could really get up and go. It couldn't STOP, but it could go... JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 11:39:14 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11820 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 279; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3626171B.8AA623D3@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:39:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (non moto) References: <000801bdf842$ede54ec0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> <19981015.012821.8175.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > This excellent story reminds of more than one car I've owned. OK, ok, my first car that ever made it to the street (we won't talk about the Renault Le Car my Dad bought for me...shudder) was a 1978 Datsun B-210 automatic. That puppy had 1400cc's, and put about 80 hp to the rear wheels. Sa-weeeet!! One day my friend Mark and I decided we wanted to see what the 0-60 time was, since I was curious and could never find a source with that info. (Now I know why!) We took it out to a flat quiet back road, came to a stop, revved that thing up (also no tach so we played it by ear) and slammed the car into low! It almost stalled. My friend was running the stopwatch. Me could have used a sun-dial. Slowly, slowly, we gathered speed, (5, 6, 7, 8 mph...) It got up to about 50 and the speedo seemed to just laugh at me - we gave up after about 30 seconds or so. Mark asked if he should get out and push next time. I almost made him walk home. :) I swear that car made me a better driver - since momentum was everything out on the road. I had to know where the hills were in advance and start accelerating a couple of miles beforehand. I actually got my only speeding ticket in that same car. (knock on wood.) 69 in a 55. The officer must've been scratching his head wondering how I got it going so fast in the first place... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 11:41:48 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11851 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 366; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:40:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981015113931.01988ee0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:40:34 -0400 To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: thieves In-Reply-To: <7d3775cd.36257441@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had the same problem, but it was the wind that took mine off. It was really bad the other night :-) At 12:04 AM 10/15/98 , MARKSOMM@XXXXXX wrote: >I went out Wednesday morning and the cover was half way off my bike. Some SOB >had made an abortive attempt at stealing it. I have two great anti-theft >devices though. First, my unbelievably intelligent dog barked at the guy. >(I'm the idiot. I told the dog to shut up just like the time when my car >stereo got stolen.) Second, my bike is hardly worth stealing, especially at >the moment. The oil pan, exhaust, etc are removed and I need to get it >further apart to fix it. Anyhow, I live in Annandale and there is a >frustrated thief out there. Keep 'em locked up. > >Mark Sommerfield ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 11:58:49 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12665 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRL4KJHT; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:54:13 EDT To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all o f us. Message-ID: <19981015.022133.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DDD4@emss09m05> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,7-13 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:54:13 EDT On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:36 -0500 "Horstman, Tracy L" writes: >What's a Morris Mini? The Morris Mini (later the Mini Cooper S with lots of little -pun intended- changes in between) was an itty-bitty British car from the `60s or so. Remember the very first Honda Civic from the late `70s? A Morris Mini is about 7/8ths (maybe 3/4) the size of one of those. The Mini is teeny. It's the Chihuahua of the automotive world. ---JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 12:09:52 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13082 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:08:13 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:05:46 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:08:08 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Ah, these tales of drag racing delinquency take me back to my first new car--a 4-door Dodge Omni GLH Turbo I could barely afford. GTIs, GLCs and all manner of furrin "pocket rockets" were mere appetizers for the mighty Omni. By hair-dryering all the orange "GLH Turbo" stickers from the little beast, it became the One True Sleeper (no, I didn't put a baby seat in the back, even though I considered it). We sought bigger prey in the form of Corvettes and Porsches piloted by the gold-chain-and-bad-rug crowd who were ignorant of life above 3000rpm. Our reign of terror was briefly interrupted by a Buick GN Turbo with a driver who knew how to use it. Also by the front Gatorbacks that were bald after only 2500 miles. Boy did it suck in the Minnesota winter, too. Does anyone know why Suzuki builds cars and trucks with 50hp engines and bikes with 100hp? Seems to me that V4 from the Cavalcade & Madura woulda been a good motor in a cage. Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 12:25:48 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13566 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic12.cais.com [207.226.56.12]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25464 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981015122406.006a93b4@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:24:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. In-Reply-To: <000801bdf842$ede54ec0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, I know I can take this guy in my Escort!!!!! At 09:51 AM 10/15/98 -0400, you wrote: >x-posted from HSTA... > >-----Original Message----- >I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, 3 >cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock, >alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of Metro >around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by >surprise... > Snip---------------------------- Mike B. 98 ZX900R A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a work station... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 12:32:35 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14006 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr31-dialup34.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0F0V00ATXN969J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:31:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:27:53 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Weekend rides To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <004201bdf871$e83014e0$a24a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Any rides going on this weekend? Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 12:33:05 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14029 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRL6QBMN; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:31:47 EDT To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing Message-ID: <19981015.025913.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,10-16 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:31:47 EDT >Does anyone know why Suzuki builds cars and trucks with 50hp engines and bikes >with 100hp? No, why? (ha!) Actually, the Omni GLHS was I car I hated and feared as a GLC pilot. I knew they could beat me. THEY knew they could beat me. My only last laugh was about reliability. From what I heard/read, the GLHS, as a product of the old, pre-Lee Iacocca Chrysler, didn't hold up well. After I'd been eaten a few times by the GLHS, I started looking into the Toyota FX-16. My memory about them isn't sharp, but I think it could school the Omni. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 12:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14507 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810151642.MAA14507@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <49ZB50F9>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:21:40 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Mini Morris Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:17:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) damn cool cars though.. and fun to drive. Especially on the Jefferson Circut at Summit Point (that's the short track) Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 12:50:20 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14686 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr31-dialup34.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0F0V00AYSO2J9J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:49:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:45:30 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <004d01bdf874$5e7eb960$a24a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >After I'd been >eaten a few times by the GLHS, I started looking into the Toyota FX-16. >My memory about them isn't sharp, but I think it could school the Omni. > >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us The FX-16 has the old MR-2 engine(4AG-E) twin cam screamer. It is light as hell and could go, but I don't think it was as fast as the turbo Omni. That little sucker was a beast....... but you couldn't touch the FX-16 if you bolted on the supercharger from an MR-2 and turn it into a 4AGZ-E. Woohoo, that car would rock! 8^D Jon "riding faster keeps the dangerous people farther behind" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 12:51:38 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14950 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06692 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <469BSTBH>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:52:48 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D79F6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: First cars eas Re: Drag racing, etc... Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:52:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, guess I'm still a young un.. :) I vaguely remember seeing some of those cars.. he he he My first was sorta sleeper... 79 camaro berlinetta with a dented quarterpanel and crappy brown paint job (custom interior was super sweet though)... Looked like a pile of $h#t! Around town it got horrible gas mileage (about 3 on a good day!) Under the hood though, it was a sweet machine.. 425 hp 350 downstrocked witha 302 spec crank and cam... The tranny had a 3500 RPM stahl converter and I had dumps installed on the exhaust just in front of the mufflers... Cruising around town it sounded like my tranny was slipping horribly (well, technically it was) and I'd crack the dumps ever so slightly so that it sounded horrible combined with the very radical cam timing (wuuuump-lump-lump-lump-wuuuump). Living in an air force town, all the little fly boys would cruise main with their shiny Novas and Chevelles, mustangs, etc. They'd almost laugh when I'd challenge em out to the 1/4 mile strip outside of town and 100 bucks...It was usually me smiling at the line though when I'd open the dumps all the way and rev the beast to about 3 grand at the line... The only drawback was that the car was so damn heavy...then that guy with the old barracuda showed up :( $^%&$&% darn thing was waaay fast... I'm sure some of Tom Zell's super beasts would have put mine to shame though... Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 13:43:59 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16870 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 69; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:42:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3626343E.5E144119@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:43:26 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , COG , LDRider List Subject: MCNews? Any good? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies for the cross-posting. Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 13:46:51 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17182 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRMAYVC3; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:46:21 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing Message-ID: <19981015.040542.4767.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <004d01bdf874$5e7eb960$a24a37a6@default> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6-12 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:46:21 EDT Jon S." writes: >...but you couldn't touch the FX-16 if you bolted on the supercharger from an MR-2 >and turned it into a 4AGZ-E. >Woohoo, that car would rock! 8^D I'm folding my arm across my chest, rubbing my chin thoughtfully, staring into space and mumbling, "Hmmmmm....a supercharger..." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 13:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil ([134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17264 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <45YFXGY7>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:52:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Jon S.'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:51:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I think we can forgive you for having your - in the wrong spot. :-) That's 4A-GE and 4A-GZE. I think I'll keep my 3S-GTE instead of those engines! Glenn > The FX-16 has the old MR-2 engine(4AG-E) twin cam screamer. It is > light > as hell and could go, but I don't think it was as fast as the turbo Omni. > That little sucker was a beast....... but you couldn't touch the FX-16 if > you bolted on the supercharger from an MR-2 and turn it into a 4AGZ-E. > Woohoo, that car would rock! 8^D > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 13:56:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17553 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15264 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29031 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:56:06 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WYEVa02083 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95e1fa94.362636f7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:55:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: First cars was Re: Drag racing, etc... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 While my first car has been a 97 Dodge Neon (dont laugh, its quicker than you think), my cousins first car has been an 89 Camaro RS. Hes dumped alot of money into that thing. Flowmaster pipes, hollowed the cat, ported and polished the heads, complete rebuild of the engine, 3.73 rear axle, new computer, etc. Now THAT thing has put some corvettes to bed. Of course he cant keep up with me but he has made it interesting. Some things never change I guess......men and their cars (and bikes too!). Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 13:58:13 1998 Return-Path: adept@XXXXXX Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17632 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mercury.mcs.net (adept@XXXXXX [192.160.127.80]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA19110; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:57:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (adept@localhost) by Mercury.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA17951; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:57:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:57:53 -0500 (CDT) From: The Adept To: Dale Horstman cc: DC Cycles List , COG , LDRider List Subject: Re: LDRider: MCNews? Any good? In-Reply-To: <3626343E.5E144119@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII IMHO it's one of the best sources for unbiased motorcycle reporting. Worth every penny. Dan '91 K100LT ("Krocket") BL5000 #28 On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Apologies for the cross-posting. > > Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? > Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail > offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 14:04:19 1998 Return-Path: jjf@XXXXXX Received: from gozer.inri.com (gozer.inri.com [199.165.146.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17717 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jjf@localhost) by gozer.inri.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) id OAA00218; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:03:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Fielek" To: Dale Horstman cc: DC Cycles List , COG , LDRider List Subject: Re: LDRider: MCNews? Any good? In-Reply-To: <3626343E.5E144119@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Apologies for the cross-posting. > > Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? > Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail > offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? Yes. With no reservations. It's all black and white, with no ads, but they try to do as honest an evaluation as possible, regardless of the product. J Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 The Garage of Xanadu: jjf@XXXXXX 96 900SS-SP #A19 (Belldandy) 82 XV920R(Boomer) Wrench Early, wrench often. 77 R100/7(Slash) 96 BMW R1100RTL(Babe the Blue Ox) Happiness isn't getting what you want; it's wanting what you got. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 14:23:49 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18637 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zTs3n-0002cB-00; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:23:39 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:23:00 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DA65@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List , COG , LDRider List Subject: RE: MCNews? Any good? Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:20:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Great magazine. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 1:43 PM > To: DC Cycles List; COG; LDRider List > Subject: MCNews? Any good? > > Apologies for the cross-posting. > > Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? > Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail > offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 14:41:52 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19409 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06107; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00502; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810151841.OAA00502@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <3626343E.5E144119@tidalwave.net> from "Dale Horstman " at Oct 15, 98 01:43:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text If I could only get one MC Magazine, it would be MC News. Honest and meaningful reviews of motorcycles and products. (Connie didn't rate first, but Fred Rau, the Editor had several comments about it that helped my desire to get one). By meaningful, I mean they don't jut say "This product rocks!" they say what they did, how they tested it, what they were looking for, how it compared to other products, etc. Execllent articles on riding techniques, motorcycle ergonomics, "Behind the counter" (Things from a dealer's perspective) etc. The only thing they don't have is stories about rides. Oh yeah, no ads either. If you'd like to see a few previous issues, let me know. > Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? > Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail > offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 14:41:44 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19406 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15712 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01045 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 ([206.38.82.28]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA13247; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:42:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3626419D.6E63BD57@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:40:29 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Going in Circles X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DDCF@EMSS09M05> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. I think it would be a great diversion from the usual stuff. I'll have to work on it next week. Leon. Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > So, Leon, gonna do what we talked about last night with the trailer. Been > thinking about it. I'm game. I used to run tractors with trailers. How > hard can it be? > > Tracy > Tracy L. Horstman > UNIX System Administrator > Lockheed Martin Mission Sysrems > 9255 Wellington Rd. > Manassas, VA 20110 > Voice: (703) 367-2981 > Fax: (703) 367-1389 > E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 14:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19923 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 102; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:18 -0400 Message-ID: <362643E4.DABAF435@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:50:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: louis@XXXXXX CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? References: <199810151841.OAA00502@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit louis@XXXXXX wrote: > > If you'd like to see a few previous issues, let me > know. > Louis, I'll probably be doing another valve adjust/carb synch/ maint session this weekend, Saturday most likely, I'm approaching another 6k interval. Both my father-in-law and my father will be there as well, so I'll be providing live entertainment anyway :). You're welcome to come down and give me a hard time just like the old guys will... :) MCNews sounds like a winner, I've gotten great response, all of it positive. $19 seems like a good deal. Hmm. I've been saying that about a lot of good deals lately. I'm gonna go broke saving money if I'm not careful. ;) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:00:09 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20098 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:00:04 EDT Message-Id: <199810151500.AA8978826@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? X-Mailer: Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) ************************************** A great magazine that takes no advertising, and has the best product evaluations and comparisons. They've made mistakes, but have corrected them, and I think are the absolutely best source of unbiased info. The regular renewal rate is $29/yr I think, and I'm happy to pay that. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:22:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21192 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15950 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02741 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:22:50 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WCLAa02316 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:21:13 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Good story!! My first (and second) car was a '79 Toyota Corolla Station Wagon. That 1.6L 2T-C engine caught a couple VW bugs, Buicks, etc. off guards on several occasions. The car became known in my group of friends as the Millenium Falcon cause it was a tough little car (hit 3 times in the rear with no damage, until I hit a Lincoln head on going a mere 35!) and both of them had close to 200,000 miles on them before they died. I downgraded to an 87 Tercel Hatchback after the Lincoln incident. That little 1.5L cries whenever I go over a hill going 65 and have to downshift to 3rd. I have to keep the laws of momentum in mind whenever I drive it. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 87 Tercel 1500 "Da Cage" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:26:59 1998 Return-Path: warchild@XXXXXX Received: from revolution.3-cities.com (root@XXXXXX [204.203.224.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21280 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (kenn425.3-cities.com [204.203.235.186]) by revolution.3-cities.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12834; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981015122650.00b53cb0@3-cities.com> X-Sender: warchild@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:26:50 -0700 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List , COG , LDRider List From: Warchild Subject: Re: LDRider: MCNews? Any good? In-Reply-To: <3626343E.5E144119@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:43 PM 10/15/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Apologies for the cross-posting. > >Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? >Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail >offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? Get it. It is *extremely* worthwhile. Gerlach! http://www.st1100.com/gerlach/ __________________________________________ | Evil Rides lurking in Warchild's Lair: | |------------------------------------------| | 1997 ST1100V (bad-ass sport-TOURING) | | 1993 CBR1000F (bad-ass SPORT-touring) | |------------------------------------------| | | From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:27:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21364 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15997 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (known send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02870 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981015192807.10125.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.41.151] by send204.yahoomail.com; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:28:07 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Starting sans button and key in correct position To: George Howell , BMW Motorcycle List , DC Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My 1985 K100RS did this once, had to replace the starter relay in the dark in the rain 250 miles from home. It did it again a week later so I carried a spare ever since, on the theory that nothing will break if you have the parts and tools to fix it. Ray ---George Howell wrote: > > Well, after my brother did something strange to my K bike last weekend, it > seems that the battery got killed. Some kinda weird short? Possibly. Because > now that the battery is charged back up, just attaching the ground cable > causes the starter to spin. This is with the sidestand down, the key off, > and no pressure on the starter. > > What electrical gadget needs to be looked at first? My guess is the starter > or starter relay. Anyone know if they mount together on the K (like > Chevrolets) or separate (the Jeep I used to have)? Somehow, haven't gotten > around to getting the shop manual yet... > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:28:59 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21374 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRMGTXTB; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:28:31 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? Message-ID: <19981015.043746.4767.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <3626343E.5E144119@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:28:31 EDT MCN is a great magazine. It's written for all types of motorcyclists. They test and report on cruisers, sportbikes, and everything else. Also, they have tech articles, accessory tests, racing coverage and my personal favorite, the Proficient Motorcycling series of riding tips. It's not a glossy color magazine (i.e. Cycle World), but neither is it a newsprint rag (i.e. Motorcycle Times, Auto Trader). It's printed in black and white on quality white paper. The photos are usually high-quality and the writing is intelligent and fun. I like it a lot. Dale Horstman writes: >Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:30:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21415 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16010 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (known send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02979 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981015193028.14560.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.41.151] by send201.yahoomail.com; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:30:28 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Starting sans button and key in correct position To: Garcia Oliver , George Howell Cc: dc-cycle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If it's a K-bike it's in the black plastic electrical box under the tank. Contact me if you need help, I've done this on mine. Ray ---Garcia Oliver wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > > > Well, after my brother did something strange to my K bike last weekend, it > > > First, what did he do? Can it be undone? > > > > seems that the battery got killed. Some kinda weird short? Possibly. Because > > now that the battery is charged back up, just attaching the ground cable > > causes the starter to spin. This is with the sidestand down, the key off, > > and no pressure on the starter. > > > Most likely, the solenoid is stuck ON. Did he run the starter for more > than a few seconds at a time? > > Less likely, the starter motor is (mis)wired directly to the battery. > > Check the simple stuff first: disconnect the starter motor positive cable > at the solenoid. This should stop the starter motor. Now turn on key and > hit starter button. Is there a click at the solenoid? If not it's bad > (unless there's a wiring problem TO the solenoid, which it sounds like there > isn't.) > > If you don't know where the solenoid (relay) is, follow the positive > battery cable. > > A bit fuzzy, but it's 2 a.m. > > --garcia > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:35:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21758 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16089 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (known uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03193 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id PAA01745; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:34:54 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id PAA23590; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First cars was Re: Drag racing, etc... In-Reply-To: <95e1fa94.362636f7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > While my first car has been a 97 Dodge Neon (dont laugh, its quicker than you > think), my cousins first car has been an 89 Camaro RS. Hes dumped alot of > computer, etc. Now THAT thing has put some corvettes to bed. Of course he > cant keep up with me but he has made it interesting. If your cousin's Camaro can't beat your Neon than your Neon is certainly a hell of a lot faster than I thought. No longer laughing, Hugh A. Caldwell From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:38:43 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21837 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:36:57 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:34:33 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:37:05 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I think MCN is worthwhile, especially for their product evaluations, which can range from hard parts to riding gear, to things you might not think of, like first aid kits. Their content seems weighted toward the full-boat touring crowd, but that's OK. One really cool thing they did a couple years back was to sponsor some loon who rode the Iron Butt on a Honda scooter--that's just sick. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Joe '85 Ninja 900 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:43:10 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21927 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13797 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:42:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: First cars was Re: Drag racing, etc... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, TURNIP wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > computer, etc. Now THAT thing has put some corvettes to bed. Of course he > > cant keep up with me but he has made it interesting. > > If your cousin's Camaro can't beat your Neon than your Neon is > certainly a hell of a lot faster than I thought. I'm sure he's talking about his TL1000S, not the Neon. However, Neons are raced successfully on road courses and actually do pretty well in autocross as well. SCCA actually has a Neon class (or it did). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:50:56 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22355 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981015195109.8348.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.41.151] by send202.yahoomail.com; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:51:09 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My dragracing story is a little less interesting and a little meaner.. In Mississippi years ago a local Californian thought his Camaro was faster than my Charger (which could pass anything but a gas pump). He pulled up next to me at a red light, revved his engine and pointed. He kept doing this and calling me chicken until I noticed a Sherriff's unmarked pickup truck (anywhere but the South it would have been an unmarked car), since they all had the same paint job. I revved my engine and nodded and when the light turned green I sat there, he took off in a cloud of smoke and noise, and I waved as I passed him and the deputy on the side of the road. I had to be real careful where I went for a couple weeks. (we kept telling him Cali plates are considered probable cause in Mississippi) ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > Great fun! Reminds me of my Mom - many years ago her daily driver was a 1952 Volkswagen, and Dad took the motorcycle to work. Mom said there was a Morris Mini in the area, and it was the only car she could beat in a drag race. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 15:54:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22469 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16298 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03902 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6BOSa29193; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d52b438.362652ce@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:53:50 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ignition fuse FIXED Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Ahh, I think I got it. After tearing down the whole front end I retaped alot of the wires and re-tied alot of the cable ties. I did notice some of the factory cable ties were digging down into the plastic sleeves and scraping up the insulation possibly causing the short. Thanks to all who helped. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 16:15:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23300 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16544 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04717 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:15:47 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WNRGa22759 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:11:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Painting steel headers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Im going to repaint my headers since they have taken on the ugly yellowish color from peeling paint. I talked to a guy at Meineke muffler who said that instead of brush painting and baking in the oven for hours and hours now you can use hi temp spray paint. According to him its actually better since you can use glossy, flat, etc. Anybody disagree with this??? Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 16:18:25 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23605 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:18:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA15795 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525669E.00708A44 ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:16:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525669E.006EDDDF.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:11:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Good story, Ray! I've been driving old VWs since I was 16, so I've grown pretty used to being the last one off the line (especially with the 69 squareback, or my old 36 HP '60 european beetle). Even the Enfield I'm inquiring about will be a welcome change in accelleration :-) Still bummed Triumph discontinued the standard Thunderbird, -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. My dragracing story is a little less interesting and a little meaner.. In Mississippi years ago a local Californian thought his Camaro was faster than my Charger (which could pass anything but a gas pump). He pulled up next to me at a red light, revved his engine and pointed. He kept doing this and calling me chicken until I noticed a Sherriff's unmarked pickup truck (anywhere but the South it would have been an unmarked car), since they all had the same paint job. I revved my engine and nodded and when the light turned green I sat there, he took off in a cloud of smoke and noise, and I waved as I passed him and the deputy on the side of the road. I had to be real careful where I went for a couple weeks. (we kept telling him Cali plates are considered probable cause in Mississippi) ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > Great fun! Reminds me of my Mom - many years ago her daily driver was a 1952 Volkswagen, and Dad took the motorcycle to work. Mom said there was a Morris Mini in the area, and it was the only car she could beat in a drag race. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 16:32:21 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24099 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimerhome (max2p179.smart.net [206.97.127.179]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA08617; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <02b401bdf87c$96f03640$b97f61ce@gimerhome> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:44:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Best US magazine, IMHO. Only one that I bother to keep after reading....and use for reference often. Used bike value guide every 3 or 4 months is quite handy. Last year they offered each subscriber a free gift subscription to give to a friend....gave it to a lister (don't remeber who (last name: Dobson?))...never heard any complaints. Product tests are great....freedom from advertising better. I ordered 3 years after first one. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 1:59 PM Subject: MCNews? Any good? >Apologies for the cross-posting. > >Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? >Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail >offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 16:45:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24653 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16836 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05938 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 598; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:45:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981015164416.0195f940@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:45:08 -0400 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Painting steel headers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We used hi-heat orange spray paint on a 454, then let it dry in the sun and it never peeled. At 04:11 PM 10/15/98 , WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >Im going to repaint my headers since they have taken on the ugly yellowish >color from peeling paint. I talked to a guy at Meineke muffler who said that >instead of brush painting and baking in the oven for hours and hours now you >can use hi temp spray paint. According to him its actually better since you >can use glossy, flat, etc. >Anybody disagree with this??? > >Jack ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) Im a bettr typist than any of yoo. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 16:52:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25013 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16898 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (known uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06223 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id QAA16822; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:51:55 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id QAA25108; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Painting steel headers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The hi temp spray that I used on my Kerker white-tip also needed to be cured in an oven. I did this 4 months ago and it still seems to be holding up well. On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Im going to repaint my headers since they have taken on the ugly yellowish > color from peeling paint. I talked to a guy at Meineke muffler who said that > instead of brush painting and baking in the oven for hours and hours now you > can use hi temp spray paint. According to him its actually better since you > can use glossy, flat, etc. > Anybody disagree with this??? > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 17:24:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26271 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17123 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07265 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRMPFRJP; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:24:12 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Painting steel headers Message-ID: <19981015.075138.4823.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981015164416.0195f940@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:24:12 EDT You painted the headers on a 454 LTD orange? What color(s) was the rest of it? Shaking my head ruefully... ;-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 17:24:52 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26273 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRMPFRGV; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:24:12 EDT To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing Message-ID: <19981015.075138.4823.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <8525669E.006EDDDF.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:24:12 EDT Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: >Still bummed Triumph discontinued the standard Thunderbird, Yeah, but wait until you get an eyeful of the new Sprint ST! Very cool... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 17:44:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27069 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17260 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07894 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:42:42 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:40:20 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:42:41 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Painting steel headers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I've never been too happy with the results from exhaust paints. On my racer, I'll probably go with Krylon Barbeque Grille paint for the chambers. Don't laugh--it lasts longer than any "exhaust paint" I've tried, of course, it's not exactly a show-quality finish. For that, I'm gonna drop a few more bucks and get my 900's headers coated. Check out http://performancecoatings.com/index.html The stuff looks good. I'll let everyone know how it turns out. Joe '85 Ninja 900 '79 RD 400F Bar-BQ Special From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 18:08:30 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28041 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id SAA02483; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525669E.00798F76 ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:07:45 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525669E.0078AFB4.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:58:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi John, Yeah...I'm more into the retro-styled bikes, so I really liked the T-Bird...chromed engine side plates and such, it looked really sharp. The Trident TT is nice, but so much of the engine is painted like the T-Bird Sport (which is my next favorite choice). I think I've decided to get something just to putt around on for the time being, like one of the new Enfields, and then pick up a used Triumph down the road (or maybe that Kawasaki Indian look-alike they had in one of last year's Cycle Worlds). I would've loved to ride up to the DC Cycles gathering on something cool, but since I'm bike-less at the moment its safe to say that wont be happening. Triumph does have some sharp cycles, though :-P -Doug :-) douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: >Still bummed Triumph discontinued the standard Thunderbird, Yeah, but wait until you get an eyeful of the new Sprint ST! Very cool... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 18:13:40 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28138 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr3-dialup8.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F0W0076I31PH8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:13:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:08:58 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing To: Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001201bdf8a1$8ed097a0$884337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Jon S." writes: >>...but you couldn't touch the FX-16 if you bolted on the supercharger >from an MR-2 >and turned it into a 4AGZ-E. >>Woohoo, that car would rock! 8^D > >I'm folding my arm across my chest, rubbing my chin thoughtfully, staring >into space and mumbling, "Hmmmmm....a supercharger..." > >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us hehe............ Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 18:17:01 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28461 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr3-dialup8.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F0W007YT37DH8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:16:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:12:23 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <001901bdf8a2$08ed4600$884337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >I think we can forgive you for having your - in the wrong spot. :-) > >That's 4A-GE and 4A-GZE. I think I'll keep my 3S-GTE instead of those >engines! > >Glenn Oh yeah, that looks better. Excuse my misplaced " - ". Glen, we're talking sleeper cars, not turbo MR-2's that everybody knows are quick. BTW, I'm jealous - nice car....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 18:27:37 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28890 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:26:21 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:24:00 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:26:53 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster inall of us.-Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline THat 3-popper has more torque than the v4? >>> "George Howell" - 10/15/98 6:25 PM >>> I've often wondered this. I think it's because the bike engine doesn't have the torque to move a car. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Does anyone know why Suzuki builds cars and trucks with 50hp engines and > bikes with 100hp? Seems to me that V4 from the Cavalcade & Madura > woulda been a good motor in a cage. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 18:35:16 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29002 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:22:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "JOE NAGY" Cc: Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster inall of us.-Reply Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:25:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdf88a$af568460$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: I've often wondered this. I think it's because the bike engine doesn't have the torque to move a car. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Does anyone know why Suzuki builds cars and trucks with 50hp engines and > bikes with 100hp? Seems to me that V4 from the Cavalcade & Madura > woulda been a good motor in a cage. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 19:37:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01645 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18099 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10951 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WEUVa22052; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:35:48 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Painting steel headers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/15/98 4:25:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << According to him its actually better since you can use glossy, flat, etc. Anybody disagree with this??? >> I use it (on my VFR headers) and it will last a season if you stay out of the rain but it is easy to repaint. I like it. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 19:39:58 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01655 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:39:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EZTLa02328; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <74b1e474.3626876c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:38:20 EDT To: louis@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/15/98 5:55:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, louis@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? >> It is the only magazine that rated the 98-ZX-9R the best open-classer, so it must be good. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 19:43:26 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02005 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3FCNa02341; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <296df2c3.36268873@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:42:43 EDT To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/15/98 6:19:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << I think I've decided to get something just to putt around on for the time being, like one of the new Enfields, >> Why don't you call Frank Diehl (410-721-7299 to see if he's go a line on real Royal Enfield or similar Britsish bike from the 60s. It will probably cost less, be just as reliable (or unreliable) and maintain its value or appreciate. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 20:46:14 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04210 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22390 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: <031701bdf89e$3160f180$3f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:44:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Tops. Website at www.mcnews.com can help introduce you. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman ... >Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? ... > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 21:16:17 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05437 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA23261; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:16:08 -0400 Message-ID: <032001bdf8a2$60025d40$3f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "Bikes R Us" , Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday (sunvisor . . .2-Whammy excused) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:14:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Just merged back in after being offramp a few days -- Contrite about the "sunvisor-enhanced double whammy". Collin's below pretty close. Probably should have capitalized Double Whammy and added a (c). This drawn from the marvelous defunct L'l Abner comic strip by Al Capp, where the character Joe Btfplsk (sp?) (a sad little guy with a tattered black hat and small raining cloud always over his head) would destroy nefarious objects and people with a powerful, arresting gaze called by others . . . a Double Whammy. Discretion always used. My helmet a Shoei 800 with a dark sunvisor which must surely have the power to make my powerful DW gaze even more anonymously powerful and full of dangerous, debilitating rays capable of turning souls to mush. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Like riding a magic carpet -- remember those ads? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) >I take it to be the evil stare you can give with a dark or reflective >tint full face with the visor down... kinda the Darth Vader thing going >on... You can just follow them with your head as they go by and let >their imagination fill in the evil grotesque death scare coming from >behind the tint... >That said, I ride with clear shield.. :( So they have to look at my >ugly mug instead.. >Collin > >Dale Horstman wrote: >> >> Bikes R Us wrote: >> > >> > I was off yesterday, so if this was answered before, forigive me, but >> > what the hell is a "sunvisor-enhanced double whammy?" > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 21:25:11 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05808 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA23459 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:25:08 -0400 Message-ID: <033201bdf8a3$a1f53000$3f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: A bit of Moto a lot of Volvo+ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:23:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Thread excerpts from the Vulcan List -- another cage diversion -- Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Ridden by a half-Swede Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ~> I've only been riding for two months, and noted the statistic that Volvo ~> drivers are involved in more accidents with bikes than any other make of ~> car. ~ ~ For years I have noticed that Volvo drivers always seemed to have ~their head up their ass. I always attributed it to the fact that Volvo ~sells cars on the premise of safety, and people who need a safe car are ~bad drivers. I give Volvo drivers a wide berth. Also noticed that ~beginner yuppies (BMW 3-series) are almost as bad. I guess they haven't ~got the car phone/driving/coffee/briefcase juggle worked out yet. Just ~my observations and opinions. ~ ~MO I have always had the impression that either Toyota only sells Camry's to idiots, or that something about a Camry turns you into one when you sit in the driver's seat. As a trucker, I see more idiots in Camrys and BMWs than anything else. And believe me, I get the chance to see a LOT of idiot drivers. You think a bike is invisible? I drive an invisible 65-foot long, 13 1/2 foot high, 8 1/2 foot wide truck! ---- Isn't that funny? Seen people hit trains, buses, semis......all with the same excuse. "Duh, I didn't see him." ---- [re Volvo] Figure it out.........anybody that would buy a car that ugly.......has to be blind ! BTW, Volvo in Swedish means, roughly translated, " Mr. Magoo eyes" . From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 21:28:24 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05882 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA09303; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3626CB4E.37BC@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:27:58 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Painting steel headers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX > Im going to repaint my headers since they have taken on the ugly yellowish > color from peeling paint. I talked to a guy at Meineke muffler who said that > instead of brush painting and baking in the oven for hours and hours now you > can use hi temp spray paint. According to him its actually better since you > can use glossy, flat, etc. > Anybody disagree with this??? Jack, I tried PlastiKote flat black on the pipes and collector box on my bike and after trying to follow instructions religiously (read them and try to install an exhaust system and you'll see what I mean) it just didn't work. Maybe they came out with a new product that doesn't require baking of some sort, but I would want to go pro if my bike was as new as yours. JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 21:41:30 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06538 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-13.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA23927 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:41:27 -0400 Message-ID: <034101bdf8a5$e97393c0$3f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday -- urban v. rural Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:40:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 I'm becoming convinced that busy urban weekday traffic underrisks rural/off hour traffic for us. Drivers are focused, patterned, defensive, and aware of us smaller types, and oftentimes speeds are slower. Rural, holiday, etc. seems to encourage "it's my road" cager thinking. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 focused patterned defensive aware and sometimes splits lanes Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >At 01:16 AM 10/13/98 , Jon S. wrote: >>Exactly why I never ride in the city. > >Those kind of people are not restricted to driving in the city. > >My experience is that there's more problems in the outlying suburbs because >everyone has to drive everywhere, and little slowdowns add up because >you're always having to drive somewhere - so people cut corners. > >When I lived in Centreville and commuted into DC every day, I saw a lot >more red-light runners and dangerous lane changers in the suburbs than I >did in the city. > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 22:14:35 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07811 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lc434.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.100]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19300; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDF888.CD490F80.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Jon S.'" , Bikes R Us Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:11:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a friend who did something similiar with an FX-16 that he got from his mom after high school... that little car was extremely quick... but I think a little too fast for it's size. God help you if there was an accident! -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jon S. [SMTP:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:09 PM To: Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing >Jon S." writes: >>...but you couldn't touch the FX-16 if you bolted on the supercharger >from an MR-2 >and turned it into a 4AGZ-E. >>Woohoo, that car would rock! 8^D > >I'm folding my arm across my chest, rubbing my chin thoughtfully, staring >into space and mumbling, "Hmmmmm....a supercharger..." > >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us hehe............ Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 15 22:36:21 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08633 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr42-dialup49.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0F0W009R8F75GA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:35:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:31:26 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing To: zellto@XXXXXX, Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001001bdf8c6$3997baa0$714d37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >I had a friend who did something similiar with an FX-16 that he got from >his mom after high school... that little car was extremely quick... but I >think a little too fast for it's size. God help you if there was an >accident! > >-Tom Well, you could prolly say that about most sports compacts........ Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 00:32:50 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12799 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14758; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:29:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:24:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, JOE NAGY wrote: > Does anyone know why Suzuki builds cars and trucks with 50hp engines and > bikes with 100hp? Seems to me that V4 from the Cavalcade & Madura > woulda been a good motor in a cage. One of the guys here at work had some French car when he was in England that was powered by a 2-stroke,650cc,air-cooled twin.It had a crank handle for a back up starter.My roommate in England had a Mini with the 'big' 998cc motor. I think the GW 1500-6 would be more than enough to push an econo- box. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 00:51:46 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13588 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14851; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:48:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:36:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981015195109.8348.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Ray wrote: > My dragracing story is a little less interesting and a little meaner.. I've got one like that.Back in high school I had a V30.Used to piss off all my friends who did all kinds of work on their 'Stangs and Camaros then get blown away by my 'little' bike.Anyway,I was racing an AMC Eagle(one of those butt-ugly 4WD cars) from light to light,winning, and finally walked away from it when the road opened up into highway. I was going along at about 80 when I noticed a car way up ahead with what looked like a roof rack.As I got closer I noticed they were actually cop lights.I slowed down and noticed the Eagle comming up in my rear view.When it got even,I jumped on it for a couple seconds,then closed the throttle.They roared by with all the kids in the car making gestures like they'd just won the race.I watched their taillights in the distance until they got even with the cop cruiser.Then their brake lights came on. Too late,red and blues came on next.I refrained from waving to them as a passed them at the side of the road. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 00:59:39 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13967 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:57:02 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "JOE NAGY" Cc: Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster inallof us.-Reply -Reply Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:59:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002801bdf8c1$cd8ba6e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: At the rpms that car engines operate at, I'd say 'probably'. Remember, to get these high revving, high rpm engines, motorcycles have to be made with different types of parts (solid lifters) and with different materials, requiring more maintenance. Car engines are made for joe blow who adds oil every time that red light on the dash comes on. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > THat 3-popper has more torque than the v4? > > >>> "George Howell" - 10/15/98 6:25 PM >>> > I've often wondered this. I think it's because the bike engine doesn't > have > the torque to move a car. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > > Does anyone know why Suzuki builds cars and trucks with 50hp engines > and > > bikes with 100hp? Seems to me that V4 from the Cavalcade & Madura > > woulda been a good motor in a cage. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 00:59:43 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13970 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:57:06 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:59:52 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bdf8c1$cf6018c0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <296df2c3.36268873@aol.com> What makes it a 'real' Enfield? The modern ones are made in an ex-Enfield factory. Using Enfield designs. Is corporate ownership that important? Were AMFs real Harley's? (No, Chiang Jiang's and Ural's have not lately been real BMWs. The Chiang Jiang used the tooling, but was never a BMW factory. The Ural's are too far from the source. Different electrics. Don't know if they still have the kickstart, etc.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 7:43 PM > To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX; bike.dealer@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing > > > In a message dated 10/15/98 6:19:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: > > << I think I've decided to get > something just to putt around on for the time being, like one of the new > Enfields, >> > > Why don't you call Frank Diehl (410-721-7299 to see if he's go a > line on real > Royal Enfield or similar Britsish bike from the 60s. It will > probably cost > less, be just as reliable (or unreliable) and maintain its value or > appreciate. > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 00:59:48 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13973 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:57:11 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bdf8c1$d217e5c0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: > One of the guys here at work had some French car when he was in > England that was powered by a 2-stroke,650cc,air-cooled twin.It had > a crank handle for a back up starter.My roommate in England had a > Mini with the 'big' 998cc motor. > I think the GW 1500-6 would be more than enough to push an econo- > box. Even a fully loaded Wing only weighs around 1000 lbs. or so. Those cars should easily push 2250-2500 lbs. Then let's look at top speed. If it's anything like my dad's first car (600cc Fiat) it was around 65 mph. Not enough to satisfy an American's taste. And there's no way someone is taking a car in for valve adjustments these days. Look at that one Lexus from a few years back (ES 300??) And, one more tidbit: the GW 1500 engine has twice as many parts as the Accord four banger (according to Honda's press release last year about the Marysville plant. They build both on the same assembly line.) That many parts is going to bump the price up. And with the strong yen of the past decade (excepting the past year or so) it just doesn't make sense to push prices any higher than necessary. Of course, it would be interesting to point out that it's the same engine configuration as Porsche's (didn't work when Subaru tried it though:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 01:01:05 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14035 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14894; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:57:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:54:10 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981015.001516.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Bikes R Us wrote: > I'm thinking of buying one of those Arai dual-sport helmets (in black) > for this very reason. It gives a very Vaderish/fighter pilotish sinister > look to your countenance if you install a dark shield. My old Shoei HR looked like something out of the Predator/Aliens movies.Noisy helmet though. I've seen a helmet from a French company in a couple Brit mags that's styled almost exactly like a fighter pilot helmet w/mask attached.I think the chin bar even comes off. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 04:51:10 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA24208 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA16516; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:47:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:46:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Painting steel headers -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, JOE NAGY wrote: > For that, I'm gonna drop a few more bucks and get my 900's headers > coated. Check out http://performancecoatings.com/index.html > The stuff looks good. I'll let everyone know how it turns out. Or try Jet-Hot Coating(I think the web site is jet-hot.com).Lots of Buells guys have gone there because our headers would turn black.They also used this because they coat the inside and outside of the pipes which has the same effect as wrapping them with header tape.It insulated the exhaust for more power and helped keep the rear pipe from cooking your leg.If I'd a kept the POS,I would've done this to my headers over the winter. Another thing you might want to try is just wrapping the pipes with header tape.They sell it in the backs of moto mags,or you can pick it up at any car supersport store.A guy back home wrapped his Buell and his friend's 916 and they both saw performance increases. Plus on a sport bike header wrap ads poser points. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 05:37:49 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA26136 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA16668; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:34:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:26:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002b01bdf8c1$d217e5c0$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > Even a fully loaded Wing only weighs around 1000 lbs. or so. Those cars > should easily push 2250-2500 lbs. Then let's look at top speed. If it's > anything like my dad's first car (600cc Fiat) it was around 65 mph. Not > enough to satisfy an American's taste. > And there's no way someone is taking a car in for valve adjustments these > days. Look at that one Lexus from a few years back (ES 300??) Did some nosing around on Motor Trend's website.According to their stats,a Geo Metro has 70hp and 74 ft/lbs torque.My S1 had 78hp and 74 ft/lbs.A Toyota Tercel has 93hp,100ft/lbs.You can get that from a well-built Harley Big Twin.And neither Harley motor needs valve adjusting. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 06:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27469 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:19:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7BGBa02317; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37b75e6.36271d7e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:18:38 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/16/98 1:03:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << What makes it a 'real' Enfield? >> Well first of all the name of the British bike is Royal Enfield they made a wide-line of motorcycles including 750cc parallel twins that competed (not very well) with large Triumphs, Nortons, BSAs etc. You can be sure that the "realness" of the bike will become obvious at the time of resale. The Ural used tooling etc., taken from the Germans to build the Ural, the Indians bought tooling etc. from the British to build the Enfield and kept half the name. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 06:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27896 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FVRLa17824; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <66b512c4.36271f45@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:26:13 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/16/98 4:17:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << One of the guys here at work had some French car when he was in England that was powered by a 2-stroke,650cc,air-cooled >> Citroen 2 CV (deux cheveaux) or Diane for the tarted up version was a 4-Stroke, the Panhard was another French twin but don't remember them as 2-strokes I owned two Fiat 500s when I was in my 20s in Italy, they had a 500 cc 4-stroke Twin. Younger people have those sorts of cars in Europe because of the cost of gas, that's why drag-racing never made it big there. It really didn't matter if your Fiat 500 did 400 meters in under or over a minute. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 06:30:46 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27937 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:30:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FSEKa29185; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6522d96e.36272010@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:29:36 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/16/98 5:43:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Then let's look at top speed. If it's > anything like my dad's first car (600cc Fiat) it was around 65 mph. >> And the 600 was a 4 cylinder and water-cooled, it was fast compared to the 500 (an opposed air-cooled twin). Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 07:34:25 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00431 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981016113443.17120.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:34:43 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:34:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What timing! I post a msg about MCN and 30 msgs later there's the Hork's msg and about a dozen positive comments. If you subscribe/renew at the MCN desk in Daytona you can get either 2 for 1 or 3 for 1, so you can subscribe now for a year for $20 and renew early for 2 or 3 yrs for $30 next march. ---"Thomas H. Gimer" wrote: > > Best US magazine, IMHO. Only one that I bother to keep after reading....and > use for reference often. > > Used bike value guide every 3 or 4 months is quite handy. Last year they > offered each subscriber a free gift subscription to give to a friend....gave > it to a lister (don't remeber who (last name: Dobson?))...never heard any > complaints. > > Product tests are great....freedom from advertising better. I ordered 3 > years after first one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman > Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 1:59 PM > Subject: MCNews? Any good? > > > >Apologies for the cross-posting. > > > >Anyone familiar with the magazine Motorcycle Consumer News? > >Don't know much about it, other than I got some snail-mail > >offering 12 issues for $19. Worthwhile? > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 08:20:29 1998 Return-Path: pgerhardt@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f257.hotmail.com [207.82.251.148]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02456 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13354 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 1998 12:19:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19981016121954.13352.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.3.203.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:19:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.3.203.65] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My VW Campmobile Can beat your Metro!! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:19:54 EDT I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility, looking for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a Volkswagon Van! My '81 VW Campmobile is a Serious machine and can whoop ANY wussy 3 cycl Metro driven by latte drinking wimp! Hey I talking 2 Full liters of fuel injected power! The lightweight 3800 lbs vehicle puts out close to 75 hp! It whoops ass!! Hope to see some of you at the party next weekend! Paul Gerhardt pgerhardt@XXXXXX '86 Concours '96 FZR600 Centreville, MD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 08:37:08 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02931 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09211 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27713 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981016083332.00a601c0@pop.cmr.gov> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:34:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Hey Zbig.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Or any other XX rider here: http://www.americanturbo.com/honda/index.html -- "Nobody knows anybody. Not that well." Gabriel Byrne as Tom Reagan Miller's Crossing -- Joel and Ethan Coen, 1990. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 08:37:44 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02941 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981016123803.17210.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send202.yahoomail.com; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:38:03 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: My VW Campmobile Can beat your Metro!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to live the same distance from the track as a friend with a VW Westfalia. He used to leave for the track two hours before me and I'd get there a half hour ahead of him. Of course, he used about 7 gallons of gas and I used 25. And he could sleep in the camper when I was in a tent. ---Paul Gerhardt wrote: > > I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility, > looking > for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a > Volkswagon > Van! > > My '81 VW Campmobile is a Serious machine and can whoop ANY wussy 3 cycl > Metro driven by latte drinking wimp! Hey I talking 2 Full liters > of fuel injected power! The lightweight 3800 lbs vehicle puts out close > to 75 hp! It whoops ass!! > > Hope to see some of you at the party next weekend! > > Paul Gerhardt > pgerhardt@XXXXXX > '86 Concours > '96 FZR600 > Centreville, MD > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 08:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03342 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id IAA15188 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566A0.007D9FD8 ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:48:49 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525669F.0045E6EE.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:44:10 -0400 Subject: Enfields and Classics (was Re: Goodbye T-bird...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi Fred/George, I lost Mr. Diehl's number after you sent it to me the first time...and then I couldn't remember your name to ask for the number again (oops, sorry). I will give him a call, but I may still go for the new Enfield for several reasons: - Reliability and availablilty of new parts: granted the bike is not some super-engineered Agusta, but IMO an older bike of the same engineering era is only more prone to quirky faults and serious failures than a brand new one of the same era. - Easy financing: right now I';m in the process of saving cash for a trip to Italy in Nov., a trip to Hawaii for my brother's wedding in January, and an engagement ring which will probably be purchased sometime before the end of the year. With interest rates the way they are I can probably get an easy financing deal, have the bike paid off in a year (at the most) and barely have noticed the financial burden. - Size of this particular bike: In a few months I may be moving back to NYC...I've given up on the idea of having a car to tinker on in the city, but a small bike would be very easy to wheel into a ground-level apartment. The Enfield is definitely small. - Tinkerability: The engine on that thing is very simple...whereas I have a lot of experience working on cars (just rebuilt a VW type III motor, have restored 5 VWs so far, etc.) I'm a little intimidated by the experience I've had working with bikes (do the Japanese manufacturers weld bolts in place? I've never been able to remove a bolt without it breaking off...). The simplicity employed by the engine also invites performance ideas...a bigger main jet, K&N filter, and BAM, another 2 horsepower ;-) Anyway, those are my main justifications. After looking through the book from the Guggenheim M/C exhibit I've found a lot of bikes I'd love to have (expecially that Sunbeam S8 I mentioned before), so maybe your man is the one to call. Oh, FYI Enfield now has full rights to the Royal Enfield name... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC, bike.dealer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing In a message dated 10/16/98 1:03:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << What makes it a 'real' Enfield? >> Well first of all the name of the British bike is Royal Enfield they made a wide-line of motorcycles including 750cc parallel twins that competed (not very well) with large Triumphs, Nortons, BSAs etc. You can be sure that the "realness" of the bike will become obvious at the time of resale. The Ural used tooling etc., taken from the Germans to build the Ural, the Indians bought tooling etc. from the British to build the Enfield and kept half the name. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 09:02:19 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03869 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:59:41 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:02:35 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bdf905$3e3bc8a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: > Did some nosing around on Motor Trend's website.According to their > stats,a Geo Metro has 70hp and 74 ft/lbs torque.My S1 had 78hp and > 74 ft/lbs.A Toyota Tercel has 93hp,100ft/lbs.You can get that from a > well-built Harley Big Twin.And neither Harley motor needs valve > adjusting. Does a tuner HD motor need valve adjusting? And how will the car buying public take to the ubiquitous oil leaks? The other question is emissions. How do the bikes compare with cars? (FWIW, I don't know why they don't use bike engines in cars. I'm just trying to throw around some ideas.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 09:11:23 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04205 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11441; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:12:39 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A08@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'George Howell'" , "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:12:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 9:09 AM > To: Gil M. Nissley; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in > all of us.-Reply > > Does a tuner HD motor need valve adjusting? And how will the car buying > public take to the ubiquitous oil leaks? > > Both the EVo engine and the brand new one use hydraulic lifters..no adjustment required. And oil leaks aren't all that prevalent with the newer motors... Although there are some, I think we all fall into that stereotype that all HD's leak oil... > The other question is emissions. How do the bikes compare with cars? > I'm sure the CA spec bikes meet any EPA requirements elsewhere in the country... I wonder what their power output is compared to the 49 state versions... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 09:12:40 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04289 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810161312.JAA04289@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <49ZB6P91>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:11:53 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Painting steel headers -Reply Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:10:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hrm.. wonder if these people saw the increase on the Dyno.. I've played with header wrap.. it's not worth the effort for a streetbike. The stuff holds water next to the headers (so they end up rusting). Well, they also hold any road grime/oil/etc so they end up turning this nasty burnt black color.. smoking when you stop as it tries to burn the stuff off the wrap.. makes your bike look really well maintained. Not to mention that the stuff can be dangerous. Mine started fraying along the bottom (probably from loading the bike into trucks) and eventually started flapping in the breeze on one header.. Well, should it do that, the chances of it getting caught up in the chain/wheel are pretty high.. and I'd hate to have a wreck caused by that. I don't know what else I can possibly say to deter you from putting header wrap on a streetbike.. hopefully you don't need further encouragement. For the do-it-at-home thing, spend $7 on 3000degree paint and follow the directions on the can.. it'll probably last a season. For the pro job, get them ceramic coated.. that's more or less permanent unless you bang the headers with something.. then it'll chip off. Brian *-----Original Message----- * Another thing you might want to try is just wrapping the pipes *with header tape.They sell it in the backs of moto mags,or you can *pick it up at any car supersport store.A guy back home wrapped his *Buell and his friend's 916 and they both saw performance increases. *Plus on a sport bike header wrap ads poser points. ;-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 09:28:20 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05039 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:26:28 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:24:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:26:39 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Painting steel headers -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'm still gonna coat insteada wrap. Set it & forget it, guaranteed for 3 years, cool colors. RE wrap's poser points: Don't want none. Stealth mode is more fun, aids in ambushing young squids who don't think twice about taking on that rickety old Ninja. "Damn. When did they make that?" Joe '85 zx900 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 09:33:43 1998 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05081 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:31:55 -0400 Received: from th-1-1.patriot.net by server.va.chesapeake-systems.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id 49G9G409; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: <36263531.E2BE70A4@intelx.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:47:29 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: First Car Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I had the ultimate first car ... a '75 Chevy Vega station wagon. For drag racing, I would make sure the other car was to the right of mine. Then, rev the engine for a minute. They wouldn't be able to see through the cloud of smoke to see the light change. Plus, the car was super light, what with the couple hundred pounds of metal that had rusted off. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 09:34:00 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05092 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21539 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25756 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WAVIa22057 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9e1e04a5.36274b0f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:33:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Painting steel headers -took a whack at it Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Well, I stopped by Trak Auto last night and picked up some Hi Temp black paint along with a few other goodies (finally, car wash that dries to the touch WITHOUT leaving spots!!!!! what will they think of next?). I prepped the headers as directed but didnt actually take them off. I put newspaper around the parts I didnt want painted worked pretty well. I sprayed em down as directed. Let it sit for about a half hour. As directed I started her up its supposed to cure it quicker than baking. Anyway, my pipes started smoking like a MOFO! Now most of the header is brown. Actually its not an undesirable effect. Tonite Ill paint over that and who knows? After a few days and coats I may have actual black! Cool.....thanks for the tips everyone. Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 09:35:38 1998 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05456 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:33:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A8418E0FE@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturday Ride? Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:33:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Are there any plans for a Saturday ride? Please respond to me directly as I'm on digest mode. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 09:57:29 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06340 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRPF9WRN; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:57:09 EDT To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Goodbye T-bird, Hello Sprint ST was drag racing Message-ID: <19981016.002431.8127.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <8525669E.006EDDDF.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:57:09 EDT Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: >Still bummed Triumph discontinued the standard Thunderbird, Yeah, but wait until you get an eyeful of the new Sprint ST! Very cool... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 10:13:10 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06834 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:11:38 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:09:14 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:11:56 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster inallof us.-Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Still find it hard to believe that you couldn't adapt one of the big liquid-cooled Vs or flatties, re-done with hydraulic lifters, re-cammed for low rev/high torque, and get a better result than the asthmatic squirrel motors they're using now. I also doubt that car motors are more abuse-resistant than what Suzi uses for its big bikes. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 10:18:10 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06956 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA20607 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:17:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981016141736.QDQ9853@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:17:36 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdf90f$8e567ba0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Wow! Happened into Cycle Sport Springfield last evening to pick up some fork oil and out of curiosity asked about cost of having a tire changed...$27/per and that's ONLY if you bring it to them! Come ON people. A share of the purposed tire changer is just $30! Think about that! If you brought your wheel and tire to Glenns house, changed it, changed it, and changed it again....you would have saved almost $60!! :) Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 10:26:48 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (mberman@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07269 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id KAA13728; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:26:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles , Howard Pasternak , GPz Mailing List Subject: It's Alive!!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you remember a while ago, my clutch disintegrated.... I got the GPz back on the road for the 1st time in 3 months (my last gas fill was July). The clutch is rebuilt, except for the housing and the plates. It seems to run OK, but the 1st time around the block the oil light came on. I am planning on putting a few more miles on it, warming it up and then changing the oil immediately. Doing that once or twice I hope flushes the metal shards out. If that doesn't work, I may go in and drop the oil pan and clean the oil pump screens, but that's a pain in the ass. What a difference between the GPz and the 650!!!! I also now have a new garage in which to do the work!!! What a difference that makes! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 10:28:52 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07367 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA04564; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:30:29 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004181; Fri, 16 Oct 98 10:29:28 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0X008Z7C6G3D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525669F.004F1A80 ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:24:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:25:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing To: "Jon S." Cc: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <8525669F.004F178D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I also remember that the FX-16 redlined at like 12 or 13k also ... --chris To: DC Cycle Club cc: From: "Jon S." Date: 10/15/98 07:45:30 PM GMT Subject: Re: Suzuki cars vs bikes etc was Excellent drag racing The FX-16 has the old MR-2 engine(4AG-E) twin cam screamer. It is light as hell and could go, but I don't think it was as fast as the turbo Omni. That little sucker was a beast....... but you couldn't touch the FX-16 if you bolted on the supercharger from an MR-2 and turn it into a 4AGZ-E. Woohoo, that car would rock! 8^D Jon "riding faster keeps the dangerous people farther behind" ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 10:32:31 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07697 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 314; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:31:24 -0400 Message-ID: <362758F3.2F935B9D@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:32:19 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles CC: Todd Peer Subject: Re: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE References: <000701bdf90f$8e567ba0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Wow! Happened into Cycle Sport Springfield last evening to pick up some > fork oil and out of curiosity asked about cost of having a tire > changed...$27/per and that's ONLY if you bring it to them! And for those of you waiting to give your money to Todd at the party, why wait? What if something happens and you can't make the party? Rain/snow/earthquake/a really good movie on tv? If you are interested in joining our group effort to purchase our very own tire changer, DO IT NOW! Mail Todd a check for $30 and a SASE. He's already got mine. I don't think anyone will be disappointed with this deal. Email myself or Todd for more information. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 10:36:03 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07787 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRPJGTDY; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:35:52 EDT To: mobacc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brains On Holiday (sunvisor . . .2-Whammy excused) Message-ID: <19981016.010313.8127.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <032001bdf8a2$60025d40$3f10b1cd@newmicronpc> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5,7 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:35:52 EDT Oh. mobacc@XXXXXX> writes: >Contrite about the "sunvisor-enhanced double whammy". Collin's below pretty >close. Probably should have capitalized Double Whammy and added a (c). etc... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 10:42:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08149 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22002 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27700 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WUBTa29185 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:41:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 10/16/98 10:22:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << Think about that! If you brought your wheel and tire to Glenns house, changed it, changed it, and changed it again....you would have saved almost $60!! >> One thing that I think is getting lost in this tire changer thing is that not everyone has the capability to change their tires themselves. Like me for example (and Im sure there are others), I do not have a rear stand so unmounting my tire is impossible. This also does not include the work that goes into removing the rear wheel even if we do have a rear stand. The list goes on (what about those people who dont have cars and cant transport a wheel and tire?, etc). Just my .02 Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 10:58:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08641 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22074 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28171 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21885; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:59:28 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A09@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I won't call those "lame" excuses, but.... I have a front and rear stand that ANYONE is welcome to use. If you need help removing a wheel, swing by and I'll take the darn thing off for you..just keep in mind that you'll owe me a glass of iced tea.. Same with getting the wheels to Glenn's house.. I live near him so it's not a big deal. As for learning to change the tires, it's an easy task, which many of us would be more than happy to teach you, or you may be able to convince some other lister to do it for you.... I've got a spare rim that is a bit tweaked so it's sitting in the corner of the shed... This would make a great training object... The only thing lost by using the tire changer vs. taking it into a shop is a little more of your time...but that's debatable based on personal experience waiting a day and a half for a shop to get around to my tire that they promised would be done in 30 minutes when I brought it in. All said and done, I could change both your tires in less than an hour (probably a lot quicker), including my Oklahoma talking disease...(did it in 1:15 on Jay Thompson's FZR using tire irons and lots of BSing along the way) > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 10:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE > > d it again....you would have saved almost > $60!! >> > > One thing that I think is getting lost in this tire changer thing is that > not > everyone has the capability to change their tires themselves. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 11:06:52 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09075 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810161506.LAA09075@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <49ZB6S0Y>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:06:17 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:05:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) can't volunteer Glenn.. but I'm sure he doesn't have a problem loaning his floor jack (to get the rear end off the ground) and the 3 wrenches it takes to get the rear wheel out.. it's a 15~20 minutes job, from old tire to new tire.. installed.. Simple. Brian *-----Original Message----- *One thing that I think is getting lost in this tire changer *thing is that not *everyone has the capability to change their tires themselves. *Like me for *example (and Im sure there are others), I do not have a rear stand so *unmounting my tire is impossible. This also does not include *the work that *goes into removing the rear wheel even if we do have a rear *stand. The list *goes on (what about those people who dont have cars and cant *transport a wheel *and tire?, etc). *Just my .02 * *Jack * From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 11:14:31 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09442 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05743 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:12:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199810161512.LAA05743@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:14:17 -0400 Subject: Good local source for riding apparel? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Well, the chill in the air has convinced me that I really do need to get some riding pants... (not to mention that I should be wearing something with more protection than jeans). I'm going to do some shopping tomorrow... can anyone point me to a local shop that has a decent selection of riding apparel? I'm looking for some Cordura riding pants to somewhat match my Canyon jacket. Does anyone know of a brand that has pants in "waist" sizes rather than just S, M, L, etc? Any good sales going on this weekend? :-) Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 11:15:10 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09483 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28600; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE In-Reply-To: <199810161506.LAA09075@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > can't volunteer Glenn.. but I'm sure he doesn't have a problem loaning his > floor jack (to get the rear end off the ground) and the 3 wrenches it takes > to get the rear wheel out.. it's a 15~20 minutes job, from old tire to new > tire.. installed.. Simple. Geez, just put the thing on the centerstand, remove the cotter pin, and pop off the nut... Of course, you guys may not have seen ahead enough to get a bike with a single sided swingarm... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 11:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09916 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 297; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:25:29 -0400 Message-ID: <362765A1.D3A81D8E@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:26:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > Geez, just put the thing on the centerstand, remove the cotter pin, and > pop off the nut... Of course, you guys may not have seen ahead enough to > get a bike with a single sided swingarm... :) Or a centerstand. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 11:33:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09997 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22344 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29377 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id GAJVa02329; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:32:01 EDT To: mberman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: It's Alive!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'd be abit afraid of running the engine with shards still in the oil. Those metal bits may have to circulate through the engine/tranny before they get to the filter! This is gonna increase wear and tear dramatically. Dropping the oil pan isn't as big a pain in the ass as replacing all the bearings that disintegrate! Just my .02 Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 11:39:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10356 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22363 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29560 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23119; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981016153846.BQPY9853@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:38:46 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:37:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bdf91a$e4d56c60$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal These are all valid considerations Jack, but for $30 I don't plan on buying everyone a rear stand, let alone a car to transport wheels around. We are selling a tire changer. If you already transport your wheels and tires to a shop, stop getting ripped off and join in. If you've ever thought about it, join in. Todd > << Think about that! If you brought your wheel and tire to Glenns house, > changed it, changed it, and changed it again....you would have > saved almost > $60!! >> > > One thing that I think is getting lost in this tire changer thing > is that not > everyone has the capability to change their tires themselves. Like me for > example (and Im sure there are others), I do not have a rear stand so > unmounting my tire is impossible. This also does not include the > work that > goes into removing the rear wheel even if we do have a rear > stand. The list > goes on (what about those people who dont have cars and cant > transport a wheel > and tire?, etc). > Just my .02 > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 11:54:20 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (mberman@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10881 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA02125; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:53:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good local source for riding apparel? In-Reply-To: <199810161512.LAA05743@radagast.wizard.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I like my Joe Rocket pants, but I think they only come in L/M/S. On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > Well, the chill in the air has convinced me that I really do need to > get some riding pants... (not to mention that I should be wearing > something with more protection than jeans). > > I'm going to do some shopping tomorrow... can anyone point me to > a local shop that has a decent selection of riding apparel? I'm > looking for some Cordura riding pants to somewhat match my > Canyon jacket. Does anyone know of a brand that has pants in > "waist" sizes rather than just S, M, L, etc? Any good sales going > on this weekend? :-) > > Thanks! > Anita > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 12:04:52 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11330 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA07550; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:03:32 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa07506; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:03:26 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0X00L16GIOFW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525669F.0057AD22 ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:57:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:39:55 -0400 Subject: RE: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE To: Kirk Roy Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <8525669F.0055E985.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Or one with a centerstand ... :-( --chris (w/his centerstand-less RF900) Kirk Roy wrote: Geez, just put the thing on the centerstand, remove the cotter pin, and pop off the nut... Of course, you guys may not have seen ahead enough to get a bike with a single sided swingarm... :) Kirk ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 12:30:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12569 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22840 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01723 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:52:59 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:52:39 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline And you did a fine job too. :-) I'll keep you in mind the next time they = need changed since you know the bike well. hehe BTW, got a question I've been meaning to ask. After the ride with Anita = last weekend, I got a couple miles from home and had to wait in a long = line at the stop sign on Independence Avenue off 66. The fan came on = (rather loud) and when I went to pull out, it seemed I lost power. The = bike sputtered and didn't really seem to want to go. I made it home, but = it worried me. I haven't had a chance to check it out this week, I intend = to this weekend. Does this sound like the spark plugs? Where is and how = do I check the air filter in a 93 FZR 600? Any help is appreciated. Scooter >>> "Fagan, Collin LTJG" 10/16/98 10:59AM >>> All said and done, I could change both your tires in less than an hour (probably a lot quicker), including my Oklahoma talking disease...(did it = in 1:15 on Jay Thompson's FZR using tire irons and lots of BSing along the = way) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 12:35:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12648 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22858 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01847 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4Y7ZX2M3>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:35:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: maintenance book Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:35:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I need to change the brakes on my 86 Magna. Is there a good maintenance book out there somewhere? I didn't like Clymer's book for my 1971 Honda SL 100, but of course I was 14 at the time, so maybe I just didn't understand everything just yet. Is there a "Motorcycle Maintenance for Dummies"? You know the type, insert Phillips screwdriver into screw and turn counter-clockwise; once screw is out, put screwdriver on the floor, etc. Or if anyone has any advice as what not to do, that would be great too. Thanks. Mitch From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 12:43:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13021 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22938 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (known portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02440 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA09363 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:38:35 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:38:35 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF385B76@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: maintenance book Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:42:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check Haynes web site (www.haynes.com) - good automotive and m/c books. UK has bigger bike listing than US and Art (Rider's Accessory Warehouse) says he can get any Haynes manual Michael J. > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [mailto:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 12:35 > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: maintenance book > > > I need to change the brakes on my 86 Magna. Is there a good > maintenance > book out there somewhere? I didn't like Clymer's book for my > 1971 Honda SL > 100, but of course I was 14 at the time, so maybe I just > didn't understand > everything just yet. > > Is there a "Motorcycle Maintenance for Dummies"? You know > the type, insert > Phillips screwdriver into screw and turn counter-clockwise; > once screw is > out, put screwdriver on the floor, etc. > > Or if anyone has any advice as what not to do, that would be > great too. > > Thanks. > > Mitch > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 12:47:05 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13134 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03487; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:48:24 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A0D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: maintenance book Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:48:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Disk brakes or drums? I can change disk brake pads in about 5 minutes... drum pads take a bit longer. I'll be doing some maintenance tomorrow (Falls Church) if you want to swing by, I can show you how it's done... I'd recommend getting the actual factory shop manual. In most cases (but not all) it's better than the clymer and hanes manuals. Also, I would highly recommend buying a parts microfische for your model bike (about $7 or so). The microfische will show exploded views of every part and it's much easier to see what part goes where than the pics in the service manual... > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [SMTP:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 12:43 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: maintenance book > > I need to change the brakes on my 86 Magna. Is there a good maintenance > book out there somewhere? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 13:41:19 1998 Return-Path: DavidW@XXXXXX Received: from ACA.ORG (NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15372 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:34:20 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:40:29 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II I lucked out last year because the nail in my EX 500's rear tire could be taken care of with an inner tube. No such luck with my RF 900 this year. So, what are the chances that an automotive tire puncture/repair kit will safely plug a small hole in my tread for a few thousand more miles? (I'm talking simple commuting here, not race replica street fighting.) Also, where is it I can buy those Pit Bull front and rear stands? Is it Fast Lane Cycles? Where are they located? Who should I say sent me? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 14:39:35 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17986 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA15918; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981016182938.DLUP9853@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:29:38 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: maintenance book Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:28:24 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bdf932$c31d4bc0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A0D@MSCEX> Importance: Normal Let me chime in too. The Honda Shop manual is great, though it does make assumptions about your abilities. The Honda Common Shop manual is definitely an excellent supplement to the bike specific manual (ie, 85-86 Honda Magna, etc.). The common shop manual covers the basics of the system you intend to effect. For instance, I just diagnosed a faulty fuel pump relay switch with the combination of the common/Vf500f manuals. The common manual allowed a couple of paragraphs of explanation as to what the switch does, how it does it, and some graphics of the internal electronic components. It also included a diagnostic not in the Vf500f manual which was a great way to verify my original diagnosis. Pretty cool. My only advice to anybody doing there own work is make sure you have the time (don't rush) and make sure you have the tools. Rushing will cause you to re-assemble out of synch and/or you'll just screw something up somehow. Not having the right tool for the job is a humbling experience. Don't ask me how I know. Todd Collin Fagan wrote: > I'd recommend getting the actual factory shop manual. In most cases (but > not all) it's better than the clymer and hanes manuals. Also, I would > highly recommend buying a parts microfische for your model bike > (about $7 or > so). The microfische will show exploded views of every part and it's much > easier to see what part goes where than the pics in the service manual... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [SMTP:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 12:43 PM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: maintenance book > > > > I need to change the brakes on my 86 Magna. Is there a good maintenance > > book out there somewhere? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 14:48:20 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18111 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810161848.OAA18111@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <49ZB6Y2J>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:47:33 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'David Wakefield'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:46:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) General concensus on tire patches change from person to person. If it can't be fixed with a tube, I don't know any shop that will repair it. The people who hate spending money will patch tires untill the tire is made of only patches.. then patch it somemore.. Personally, I feel that patches are good for 'emergency' situations - you use it until you can get to a shop and replace your tire.. even for 'just commuting'.. Fast Lane Cycles is in Chantilly (??), VA. Rick Beggs is the shop owner.. and should you be dealing with him, mention at least Collin Fagens name.. he's sorta a semi race sponsor for DC-Cycles Racing.. Brian McCoy *-----Original Message----- * *I lucked out last year because the nail in my EX 500's rear *tire could be *taken care of with an inner tube. No such luck with my RF 900 *this year. * *So, what are the chances that an automotive tire *puncture/repair kit will *safely plug a small hole in my tread for a few thousand more *miles? (I'm *talking simple commuting here, not race replica street fighting.) * *Also, where is it I can buy those Pit Bull front and rear *stands? Is it Fast *Lane Cycles? Where are they located? Who should I say sent me? * From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 15:06:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18995 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24127 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibmmail.COM (known ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08347 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 8313 ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:06:24 EDT Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:06:13 EDT Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525669F.0069698A ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:11:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525669F.00688F55.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:04:35 -0400 Subject: Helmet fit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Is there anyone in the area that will custom fit a helmet? I am between sizes and have a difficult time finding a helmet that fits. I just bought a new one that after a few hundred miles I have decided is too large. Any suggestions? I may try trial and error fitting some foam here and there....... Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 15:07:38 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19013 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17705; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:08:53 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A18@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'David Wakefield'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:08:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He's in Chantilly very near the intersection of 28 and 50. (703) 819-8890 Rick's a good guy..kinda quiet... Nelo will probably be the one to answer the phone (at least he always seems to answer when I call)... he's a good guy too. He's a private shop, not a dealer... Real fair prices and very knowledgeable. He also has a dyno and knows how to use it properly for tuning purposes...If you want to get more hp out of your bike, see Rick. CT > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 2:57 PM > To: 'David Wakefield'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II > > > Fast Lane Cycles is in Chantilly (??), VA. Rick Beggs is the shop owner.. > and should you be dealing with him, mention at least Collin Fagens name.. > he's sorta a semi race sponsor for DC-Cycles Racing.. > > Brian McCoy > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 15:14:38 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19403 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:12:58 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:13:03 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: DavidW@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Motorcycle Online ran an article a while back, "When Fix-a-Flat isn't enough." Maybe it's still there, under "Nuts and Bolts" in "Touring World" section. If you've got to run on a patched tire, seems like this guy's fix might hold up better than a standard plug. Still, the whole idea of it scares da beejeezus outta me. For the Pit Bull: Full Spectrum Design at (205) 533-1977. Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 15:26:24 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19835 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19758; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A1A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , DavidW@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II -Reply Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:26:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Lat I heard, Rick was selling them at the same price as Full Spectrum (makers of the pit bull) and he has them in stock...... > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 3:24 PM > To: DavidW@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; > Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II -Reply > > > For the Pit Bull: Full Spectrum Design at (205) 533-1977. > > Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 15:42:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20472 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24452 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09483 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 356; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:40:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3627A182.E48A8744@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:41:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ddiefend@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet fit References: <8525669F.00688F55.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ddiefend@XXXXXX wrote: > I just bought > a new one that after a few hundred miles I have decided is too large. > Any suggestions? I may try trial and error fitting some foam here > and there....... Dave Dave, I sorta had the same problem with my new Shoei RF-700 (well, new is a subjective term, but anyway) - a little too big for my head (but the price was right) and it let in a little too much wind noise. I had already popped out the cheek pads a few times to fit helmet speakers and a cb mic (which sucked, btw), so out they came one more time, I used some duct tape (what else?) and put several layers on the inside of the helmet shell so I got a little more squeeze out of the pads when I reinstalled them. Fit is better, but not perfect (yet) - I'll keep trying. Anyway, my point? Go ahead and try playing with your helmet's fit. You just may surprise yourself with the results. Ride safe! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 17:01:06 1998 Return-Path: true@XXXXXX Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23987 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-21.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.21]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id QAA11694; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810162052.QAA11694@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:44:23 -0400 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: maintenance book Cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A0D@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, you think everyone would pitch in $10 for a FicheReader Co-op? :) MET At 12:48 PM 10/16/98 , Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >Disk brakes or drums? I can change disk brake pads in about 5 minutes... >drum pads take a bit longer. >I'll be doing some maintenance tomorrow (Falls Church) if you want to swing >by, I can show you how it's done... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 17:12:38 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (mberman@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24485 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA02265; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:12:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Mark E. Truelove" cc: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" , "'dc'" Subject: Fiche Reader ( was RE: maintenance book) In-Reply-To: <199810162052.QAA11694@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Most local libraries have fiche readers that you can use. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 17:15:20 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24534 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA02265; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:12:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Mark E. Truelove" cc: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" , "'dc'" Subject: Fiche Reader ( was RE: maintenance book) In-Reply-To: <199810162052.QAA11694@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Most local libraries have fiche readers that you can use. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 17:29:48 1998 Return-Path: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25015 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hgg (user-38lciv3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.227]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04039; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981016173010.007ed260@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:30:10 -0400 To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Good local source for riding apparel? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199810161512.LAA05743@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:14 AM 10/16/98 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote:> >I'm going to do some shopping tomorrow... can anyone point me to >a local shop that has a decent selection of riding apparel? Anita, Why not check out our very own Motorcycle Leather Exchange? Colleen (a.k.a. motorle@XXXXXX) is a lister. Her site is http://www.leatherexchange.com/ . I've purchased all sorts of stuff from her and have been very satisfied. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 18:10:34 1998 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26747 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:10:32 -0400 (EDT) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-239-154.s27.as7.rkv.erols.com [207.172.239.154]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19022; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3627ECFE.4DF6@erols.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:03:58 -0700 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , COG Subject: Motorcycle Consumer News Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VERY WORTHWHILE Mag !! I've been subscribed for 3 years. Its honest, down to earth, great how-to stories and how-to-ride articles. Great tests, no bull, no fluff. No advertisements so they don't owe their existance to anyone and their stories are then not biased in that way. Niv DR650 DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 18:10:30 1998 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26744 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-239-154.s27.as7.rkv.erols.com [207.172.239.154]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18998 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3627EAD3.2F2A@erols.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:54:43 -0700 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/15/98 References: <199810152300.TAA00281@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Mom said there was a Morris Mini in the area, and it was the only car >she could beat in a drag race. Somehow I don't think the Mini was trying. Those Mini's where damn fast for their size - won some real Rally type races in Europe ! Niv DR650 DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 18:28:51 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27601 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.153] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00705; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:31:37 -0400 Message-ID: <008a01bdf954$554caf60$9973c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "David Wakefield" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:28:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Hey Dave! I got my Pit-Bull stands straight from them, http://www.pit-bull.com/ ) but you might get them cheaper from Fast Lane. They're in Chantilly. See: http://www.fastlanecycles.com/ Don't know about plugging m/c tires. I figure I've only got two on the road & my hide is worth more than a $125 tire. (Don't forget, for 30 bucks you can be mounting tires free forever) Is Wes riding that RF yet? Gotta get him out on some DC-Cycles rides sometime. :) >I lucked out last year because the nail in my EX 500's rear tire could be >taken care of with an inner tube. No such luck with my RF 900 this year. > >So, what are the chances that an automotive tire puncture/repair kit will >safely plug a small hole in my tread for a few thousand more miles? (I'm >talking simple commuting here, not race replica street fighting.) > >Also, where is it I can buy those Pit Bull front and rear stands? Is it Fast >Lane Cycles? Where are they located? Who should I say sent me? > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 20:37:43 1998 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02667 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-119-89.bellatlantic.net [151.200.119.89]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id UAA09070 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3627E54B.1237FB9A@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:31:07 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunday ride? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone riding Sunday? Brian Yellow Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 20:39:33 1998 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02713 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-119-89.bellatlantic.net [151.200.119.89]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id UAA09270 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3627E5B0.2BB58D7E@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:32:48 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunday ride? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm on the digest list so if someone would drop me an email off-list I'd appreciate it! Thanks :) Subject: Sunday ride? Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:31:07 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle To: DC Cycles Anyone riding Sunday? Brian Yellow Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 21:11:09 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03935 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-18.s18.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.18]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28881; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36282334.54B11BAF@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:55:16 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: blasalle@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Sunday ride? References: <3627E54B.1237FB9A@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a CAMS ride on Sunday leaving from the Fairfax Silver Diner around 10am for about 250 miles...647, 211, and some other very nice back roads down that way...If anyone wants further details let me know and I'll dig up the original message.. Collin Brian & Christa LaSalle wrote: > > Anyone riding Sunday? > > Brian > Yellow Nighthawk -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 22:08:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06045 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26660 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19134 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr7-dialup23.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0Y001RG8LTB1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:08:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:04:13 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Helmet fit To: ddiefend@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <009201bdf98b$963ea460$974437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Is there anyone in the area that will custom fit a helmet? I am between >sizes and have a difficult time finding a helmet that fits. I just bought >a new one that after a few hundred miles I have decided is too large. Any >suggestions? I may try trial and error fitting some foam here and >there....... Dave Grow your hair out......... 8^P Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 16 22:56:17 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07981 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-22.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.63]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA27903 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:56:14 -0400 Message-ID: <040101bdf979$86688e00$3f10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: (sunvisor . . .2-Whammy excused) (Whoops) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:54:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Whoops. After posting, kept hearing this little buzzing. I think it was a Double Whammy from the grave of . . .not Joe Btfplsk, the little guy, but Evil Eye Fleagle, more of a manipulating fellow, the in-fact practitioner of the DW. Darn. Were Dogpatch still agrooving, bet Fearless Fosdick would have been all over me pronto. Found a website http://www.cei.net/~grtescps/ that goes into a bit of Dogpatch detail. (It reminded me that a U.S. stamp celebrating L'l Abner and Daisy Mae passsed by in 1995 -- I'd forgotten about that.) -----Original Message----- From: mobacc snip >This drawn from the marvelous defunct L'l Abner comic strip by Al Capp, >where the character Joe Btfplsk (sp?) (a sad little guy with a tattered >black hat and small raining cloud always over his head) would destroy >nefarious objects and people with a powerful, arresting gaze called by >others . . . a Double Whammy snip From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:06:15 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10540 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA18349; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362841C7.5FD7@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:05:43 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" CC: dc-cycles Subject: RE: maintenance book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin wrote to Mitch: I'd recommend getting the actual factory shop manual. In most cases (but not all) it's better than the clymer and hanes manuals. Also, I would highly recommend buying a parts microfische for your model bike (about $7 or so). The microfische will show exploded views of every part and it's much easier to see what part goes where than the pics in the service manual... ================================== Mitch, I got a microfiche for my '85 VF700F for free from the parts dude at Coleman Poser Sports (the guy with the beard is a good guy). Sounds like you might be able to do the same given the age of your scoot. Apparently, the manufacturers supplied dealers with new ones every year, so in all likelihood there are multiple copies for your machine in their box. I'm pretty sure if you ask nice you'll have the same luck I did :) And Morris is right, just go to your public library and you can print copies of sections of it. This also helps when ordering parts since you can supply the parts number to them. Also, for the cheapest OEM parts for Hondas try Honda of Riverhead in NY state. JK From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:07:16 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10550 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup35.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0F0Y00F11E3596@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:06:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:02:36 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: No more TL-R To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <003801bdf99c$207fc220$234c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sniped from www.2wf.com <<<<<<<<<<< Word is Suzuki has dropped plans to continue racing the TL-1000R. So after one year of a development program with two bikes and one rider that the team has now dropped (Pegram) and the other finishing seventh in the series (Crevier), all hope is lost. I don't like editorializing about manufacturers' decisions, but this one has me baffled. I thought that the manufacturers raced to promote their products. It seems that even if the TL-R is a guaranteed loser the idea would be to keep racing it if only for the bike's and the company's image. Isn't that what Harley is doing? I don't care what Suzuki says, I think the TL-R is a damn neat bike. <<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:10:43 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10834 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr37-dialup35.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F0Y00OAEE8WPV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:06:02 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Check out his rotors! To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <004901bdf99c$9b551220$234c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 http://www.2wf.com/html/pictureoftheday/burnout.shtml From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:29:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11360 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27850 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20879 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:26:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , Subject: RE: maintenance book Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:21 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01bdf986$b6769300$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: There actually is a Motorcycling for Dummies book. Came out in July or August. Flipped through it. Don't own it. Disk brakes are easy. Pull out the two mounting pins. Slip caliper off. Slide out pucks (sometimes takes a bit of 'finagling' to use a technical term). Use c-clamp or $pecial tool to reset caliper piston. Slip in new pucks. Pop in pads (don't get grease on new ones) put caliper on. Grease pins, and put 'em in. (Torque spec is 1/4 turn before wringing it off. Works on all bolts on all objects. Learned that from a menonite welder, BTW) Take a test ride. Cross fingers:) Just buy a few cans of brake cleaner, and apply liberally to EVERYTHING. Oh, and you might like some hand lotion for afterwards, as that brake cleaner really sucks the oils out of your hands. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [mailto:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 12:35 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: maintenance book > > > I need to change the brakes on my 86 Magna. Is there a good maintenance > book out there somewhere? I didn't like Clymer's book for my > 1971 Honda SL > 100, but of course I was 14 at the time, so maybe I just didn't understand > everything just yet. > > Is there a "Motorcycle Maintenance for Dummies"? You know the > type, insert > Phillips screwdriver into screw and turn counter-clockwise; once screw is > out, put screwdriver on the floor, etc. > > Or if anyone has any advice as what not to do, that would be great too. > > Thanks. > > Mitch > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:38:55 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11745 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:26:23 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: maintenance book Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01bdf986$b8868740$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <001b01bdf932$c31d4bc0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> How much does the generic Honda shop manual run? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:39:00 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11753 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:26:21 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "David Wakefield" , Subject: RE: Nail in Rear Tire: Part II Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:23 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01bdf986$b79b8b00$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Some of the BMW riders plug and ride for a thousand+ miles. Not me. The tires I buy, even mounted at local prices are around $150. Cheap insurance when my a$$ is on the line. (Likewise, doing my own brakework is cheap insurance for the same reason. I care about my brakes more than anyone except Angie:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > So, what are the chances that an automotive tire puncture/repair kit will > safely plug a small hole in my tread for a few thousand more miles? (I'm > talking simple commuting here, not race replica street fighting.) From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:38:58 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11751 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:26:18 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: $$$$$ ! Tire Changing is EXPEN$IVE Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:18 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01bdf986$b4cb5400$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: > Geez, just put the thing on the centerstand, remove the cotter pin, and > pop off the nut... Of course, you guys may not have seen ahead enough to > get a bike with a single sided swingarm... :) > > Kirk Then there are the lamers who don't have shaft drive and need to snake around the chain. (Heck, they probably don't even have a lug wrench in their tool kit:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:38:56 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11747 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:26:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mark E. Truelove" , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: maintenance book Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:27 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bdf986$b9ab7f40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199810162052.QAA11694@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> Not when I can go to the local library for free. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Hey, you think everyone would pitch in $10 for a FicheReader Co-op? :) > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 00:38:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11749 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:26:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:17 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01bdf986$b3fa4860$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A08@MSCEX> > > The other question is emissions. How do the bikes compare with cars? > > > I'm sure the CA spec bikes meet any EPA requirements elsewhere in > the country... I wonder what their power output is compared to > the 49 state > versions... But they meet motorcycle specs. Not car specs. There's a difference. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 06:27:25 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27935 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:27:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id QAIOa17824; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3474030d.3628705c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:24:28 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: No more TL-R Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/17/98 12:11:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << It seems that even if the TL-R is a guaranteed loser the idea would be to keep racing it if only for the bike's and the company's image. >> Maintaining two complete race development teams for two very different bikes (in-line 4 and twin) is very expensive and the TL's sales are probably miniscule compared to the GSXRs. As far as potential sales of the TL, I suspect that Ducati and now maybe Aprilia will always be more profitable in that segment. They are as good (or better according to most mags?) than the TL and have the cache' kind of like Harley, so Ducati especially will always find eager buyers at a premium price, which means high margins, while the TL would have to always be substantially less expensive to compete, hence low margins. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 08:25:29 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02411 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-18.s18.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.18]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23852; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3628C950.2959EA1F@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:44:00 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply References: <003a01bdf986$b3fa4860$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know there's a difference, but knowing how anal CA is, I'm sure the EPA spec for M/C is still tougher than the cage spec for most everywhere else. Also, for a good number of states, it's only got to pass the emissions requirements once...then never again... George Howell wrote: > But they meet motorcycle specs. Not car specs. There's a difference. _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 08:37:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02857 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29314 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25367 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-18.s18.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.18]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25779; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3628CC2A.6977D822@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:56:10 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: maintenance book References: <003c01bdf986$b6769300$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remove the calipers?? :) Buy a sport bike young man..he he he On them, all you have to do is remove one little cotter pin and a slide pin then the pads will slide ride out. I then take a medium size box wrench and slide through the caliper and gently compress the pistons back in (after applying brake cleaner if I have some around at the time). Then pop the new pads in reset the pin and cotter pin and you're off. Total operation takes two minutes.. George Howell wrote: > Disk brakes are easy. Pull out the two mounting pins. Slip caliper off. > Slide out pucks -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 08:42:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03207 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29327 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25409 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-18.s18.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.18]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26617; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3628CD04.77AA65CC@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:59:48 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "Jon S." CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Sunday ride? References: <199810170334.XAA11090@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here ya go! CT Subject: two cams rides in one week! Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:25:00 -0400 let's do it again this sunday. our monday ride was spectacular, even without the fall colors. i expect there'll be more fall colors this sunday, esp after the recent cool wx. also, on monday, we missed the turnoff to a great road. i know where it is and we'll do it sunday. i know we won't be sorry. so here's the deal: sunday, 18 oct fairfax silver diner (i-66 to 50w, w. ox road SOUTH exit, diner 1/2 mi on ur left) ride leaves at 1000 hrs (breakfast ~0830, though i may not make it 'til 0945) lunch in new market, va toal milage, roundtrip from/to diner: ~250 mi the route: 29s to 55w 647s to 511 511e to 211w to new market 11n to 675e/s 678n (thru nat'l forest) to 55e 688w to 17 17n to 50w to 601 (over the mt) to rt 7 rt 7e to payne's biker bar in leesburg to home come on by and wish sash, first vp of trash, a happy (belated, 10/8) birthday. john From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 14:19:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15697 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00234 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (known send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29867 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981017181959.17815.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.108] by send203.yahoomail.com; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:19:59 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: RE: maintenance book To: George Howell , "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Before you do this get a box of medical gloves from KMart, Walmart, Target etc. Brake fluid and brake cleaner gives your hand a slimy feeeling that just does not wash off. ---George Howell wrote: > > There actually is a Motorcycling for Dummies book. Came out in July or > August. Flipped through it. Don't own it. > > Disk brakes are easy. Pull out the two mounting pins. Slip caliper off. > Slide out pucks (sometimes takes a bit of 'finagling' to use a technical > term). Use c-clamp or $pecial tool to reset caliper piston. Slip in new > pucks. Pop in pads (don't get grease on new ones) put caliper on. Grease > pins, and put 'em in. (Torque spec is 1/4 turn before wringing it off. Works > on all bolts on all objects. Learned that from a menonite welder, BTW) Take > a test ride. Cross fingers:) > > Just buy a few cans of brake cleaner, and apply liberally to EVERYTHING. Oh, > and you might like some hand lotion for afterwards, as that brake cleaner > really sucks the oils out of your hands. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [mailto:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 12:35 PM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: maintenance book > > > > > > I need to change the brakes on my 86 Magna. Is there a good maintenance > > book out there somewhere? I didn't like Clymer's book for my > > 1971 Honda SL > > 100, but of course I was 14 at the time, so maybe I just didn't understand > > everything just yet. > > > > Is there a "Motorcycle Maintenance for Dummies"? You know the > > type, insert > > Phillips screwdriver into screw and turn counter-clockwise; once screw is > > out, put screwdriver on the floor, etc. > > > > Or if anyone has any advice as what not to do, that would be great too. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Mitch > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 14:19:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15698 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00231 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (known send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29863 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981017181951.18321.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.108] by send202.yahoomail.com; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:19:51 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: RE: maintenance book To: George Howell , "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Before you do this get a box of medical gloves from KMart, Walmart, Target etc. Brake fluid and brake cleaner gives your hand a slimy feeeling that just does not wash off. ---George Howell wrote: > > There actually is a Motorcycling for Dummies book. Came out in July or > August. Flipped through it. Don't own it. > > Disk brakes are easy. Pull out the two mounting pins. Slip caliper off. > Slide out pucks (sometimes takes a bit of 'finagling' to use a technical > term). Use c-clamp or $pecial tool to reset caliper piston. Slip in new > pucks. Pop in pads (don't get grease on new ones) put caliper on. Grease > pins, and put 'em in. (Torque spec is 1/4 turn before wringing it off. Works > on all bolts on all objects. Learned that from a menonite welder, BTW) Take > a test ride. Cross fingers:) > > Just buy a few cans of brake cleaner, and apply liberally to EVERYTHING. Oh, > and you might like some hand lotion for afterwards, as that brake cleaner > really sucks the oils out of your hands. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO [mailto:HolmesM@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 12:35 PM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: maintenance book > > > > > > I need to change the brakes on my 86 Magna. Is there a good maintenance > > book out there somewhere? I didn't like Clymer's book for my > > 1971 Honda SL > > 100, but of course I was 14 at the time, so maybe I just didn't understand > > everything just yet. > > > > Is there a "Motorcycle Maintenance for Dummies"? You know the > > type, insert > > Phillips screwdriver into screw and turn counter-clockwise; once screw is > > out, put screwdriver on the floor, etc. > > > > Or if anyone has any advice as what not to do, that would be great too. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Mitch > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 14:22:58 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15783 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981017182321.18581.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.108] by send203.yahoomail.com; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:23:21 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: RE: maintenance book To: George Howell , Todd Peer , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO'" Cc: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii By Generic Honda Shop Manual do you mean the Honda Common Service Manual? Borrow it from your neighborhood Honda service dept, take it to work one weekend and photocopy it. Otherwise it is between $30-$50 but well worth it. Unless you mean the service manual for each family of bike, some are great and some are crap. For example, one may give you every step and a few shortcuts or hints on how to change a piston, another may say "change piston". Any idiot can get a job as a Honda mechanic - I know because I used to be one. ---George Howell wrote: > > How much does the generic Honda shop manual run? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 14:56:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17037 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00372 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (known send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00272 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981017185617.21532.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.108] by send201.yahoomail.com; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:56:17 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:56:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Motorcycles Mechanic Wanted! To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can someone give me directions on how to get there from Hwy 10 & Hyw 2 in Glen Burnie? I have no idea where anything is (I can find work, home, and Taco Bell). Ray ---Smilin' Coyote wrote: > > If you are in the baltimore area, i would highly recommend Bill and Karen > at Cycle Parts Discounters. 410-944-1000. They are open tues through sat, > 10-6 (i think). Bill has always been very helpful, steered me away from > expensive mistakes, taught me how to do repairs, hell, he even lends me > tools and tells me to put parts on in his parking lot so that if i run into > problems, he can guide me. Good folks, small place. > > ---------- > > From: Jason Picton > > To: 'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)' > > > Subject: Motorcycles Mechanic Wanted! > > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:23 AM > > > > Hey All, > > > > Do any of you have a mechanic that you trust pretty well. I have > > two bikes and while I do some work myself, I am looking for someone that > > I can trust. I have two bikes, one of which is fairly old (a 83 > > Interceptor). I want to get some work done to it (install an oil > > cooler), but I have gotten some conflicting reports from the mechanics > > that I have dealt with in the past. None of the mechanics that I have > > spoken to or asked questions of - have inspired any confidence. > > > > Anyone know of a good Mechanic > > > > Jason > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 17:39:10 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23120 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:36:31 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: <009201bdfa16$a6a68f80$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3628C950.2959EA1F@geocities.com> Actually, all of the CARB emissions level laws have been adopted by the EPA on a national level within 2-5 years. So while there is some lag time, national laws are as strict as CA laws. OTOH, it doesn't seem that the EPA adopts their MC emissions levels... I suppose until we've got some facts (MCN or someone running some emissions levels on bike motors) we can't really be sure. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I know there's a difference, but knowing how anal CA is, I'm sure the > EPA spec for M/C is still tougher than the cage spec for most everywhere > else. Also, for a good number of states, it's only got to pass the > emissions requirements once...then never again... From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 18:39:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25453 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00988 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04444 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf175.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.175]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id SAA11716 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bdfa1f$00639ba0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:38:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I have someone with an old fiche reader that would donate it to everyone if you'd like. May need some cleaning and a new bulb, but that's all. Maybe it could reside with the tire changer. Let me know if the group is interested. Only problem is someone would need to make a jaunt to Winchester to pick it up. Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 22:40:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04426 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01454 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06529 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:39:58 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 7QMLa08736; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:38:35 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:38:35 EDT To: gforeman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 A fiche reader would be pretty handy, I think. Locating it with the Tire Changer seems like a pretty good idea, if Glenn doesn't mind. Problem is that Glenn's place may turn into an amateur bike shop with everyone going there to replace tires and fix their bikes with the info from the fiche. If everyone's interested, I'd be willing to make the trip to Winchester on a weekend to pick it up, clean it, and deliver it to its destination too. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 17 22:54:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05181 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01513 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06696 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf156.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.156]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id WAA15637 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003c01bdfa42$897873c0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:52:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I will see when I can pick it up from my friend. I don't believe it has a printer like the ones in the library....but whatcha want for free? (grin). -----Original Message----- From: NJitzul@XXXXXX To: gforeman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? >A fiche reader would be pretty handy, I think. Locating it with the Tire >Changer seems like a pretty good idea, if Glenn doesn't mind. Problem is that >Glenn's place may turn into an amateur bike shop with everyone going there to >replace tires and fix their bikes with the info from the fiche. If everyone's >interested, I'd be willing to make the trip to Winchester on a weekend to pick >it up, clean it, and deliver it to its destination too. > >Robert VanSlyke >83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 18 14:20:18 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10080 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981018182043.4364.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.108] by send202.yahoomail.com; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:20:43 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply To: George Howell , "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Part of CARB's original charter is that thier standards have to be more stringent than EPA. CARB was actually supposed to be temporary, but so was income tax. If CARB does not come up with unreasonable standards they go out of business. Beaurocrats without power - they will never let that happen. Ray ---George Howell wrote: > > Actually, all of the CARB emissions level laws have been adopted by the EPA > on a national level within 2-5 years. So while there is some lag time, > national laws are as strict as CA laws. OTOH, it doesn't seem that the EPA > adopts their MC emissions levels... > > I suppose until we've got some facts (MCN or someone running some emissions > levels on bike motors) we can't really be sure. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > > I know there's a difference, but knowing how anal CA is, I'm sure the > > EPA spec for M/C is still tougher than the cage spec for most everywhere > > else. Also, for a good number of states, it's only got to pass the > > emissions requirements once...then never again... > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 18 14:26:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10364 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04525 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (known send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14784 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981018182635.25917.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.108] by send204.yahoomail.com; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:26:35 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? To: Gary Foreman , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where is Whinchester? ---Gary Foreman wrote: > > I have someone with an old fiche reader that would donate it to everyone if > you'd like. May need some cleaning and a new bulb, but that's all. Maybe > it could reside with the tire changer. > > Let me know if the group is interested. Only problem is someone would need > to make a jaunt to Winchester to pick it up. > > > Gary W. Foreman > EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX > WEB: http://www.fj1100.com > > `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ > > A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who > stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR > Judgement to AVOID the situations which might > require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 18 16:06:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14074 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04783 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16944 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id PBTWa02317; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <575cd10c.362a45cb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:47:23 EDT To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX, gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/18/98 2:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who > stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR > Judgement to AVOID the situations which might > require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. >> Tell that to Doohan, Biagi etc. They purposely get into situations e.g. late, late braking accelerating out of a corner while still heeled over, etc. to use their superior skills and not fall. Now when I am on an airplane, I want the pilot you describe. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 18 22:14:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27744 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05654 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (known gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22401 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote (ipb254.baltimore10.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.22.254]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18807; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810190214.TAA18807@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Smilin' Coyote" To: "Ray" , , Subject: Re: Motorcycles Mechanic Wanted! Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:12:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit beltway west to the !-70 exit. follow signs to park and ride, get onto security blvd westbound, turn right at gwynn oaks ave (directly across from big social security building). through 2 lights. continue straight through funky interstection. when you see a small lake in front of you, you'll find bill and karen's place. Might want to give them a call to confirm those directions. If you are new to the area, get an ADC map. very very useful. good luck!! By the way (and just to brag a little), managed to put in 500 miles on the bike this weekend, up to scranton area and wondering around in the hills around there. very very nice. Hope y'all are also getting some leaf peeping in before they're all gone ---------- > From: Ray > To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycles Mechanic Wanted! > Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 2:56 PM > > > Can someone give me directions on how to get there from Hwy 10 & Hyw 2 > in Glen Burnie? > I have no idea where anything is (I can find work, home, and Taco Bell). > Ray > > > > > ---Smilin' Coyote wrote: > > > > If you are in the baltimore area, i would highly recommend Bill and > Karen > > at Cycle Parts Discounters. 410-944-1000. They are open tues > through sat, > > 10-6 (i think). Bill has always been very helpful, steered me away > from > > expensive mistakes, taught me how to do repairs, hell, he even lends > me > > tools and tells me to put parts on in his parking lot so that if i > run into > > problems, he can guide me. Good folks, small place. > > > > ---------- > > > From: Jason Picton > > > To: 'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'DC Motorcylce Mail-List > (E-mail)' > > > > > Subject: Motorcycles Mechanic Wanted! > > > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:23 AM > > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > Do any of you have a mechanic that you trust pretty well. I have > > > two bikes and while I do some work myself, I am looking for > someone that > > > I can trust. I have two bikes, one of which is fairly old (a 83 > > > Interceptor). I want to get some work done to it (install an oil > > > cooler), but I have gotten some conflicting reports from the > mechanics > > > that I have dealt with in the past. None of the mechanics that I > have > > > spoken to or asked questions of - have inspired any confidence. > > > > > > Anyone know of a good Mechanic > > > > > > Jason > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 00:52:03 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03885 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29255; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:48:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:41:19 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster in all of us.-Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A08@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > Does a tuner HD motor need valve adjusting? And how will the car buying > > public take to the ubiquitous oil leaks? > Both the EVo engine and the brand new one use hydraulic lifters..no > adjustment required. And oil leaks aren't all that prevalent with the newer > motors... Although there are some, I think we all fall into that stereotype > that all HD's leak oil... Hydraulic lifters are fine for motors that don't get revved past 6k rpm often,and have cams with less than .550" lift or so. As for leaks,the most prevelent leak in Evos is from the base gaskets. There's several fixes for this(Haydon has a kit for $37). > I'm sure the CA spec bikes meet any EPA requirements elsewhere in > the country... I wonder what their power output is compared to the 49 state > versions... It's not far off.A couple ponies and a slightly narrower power band. For the fuelies(EFI equipped bikes) HD has a drop-in cam that gives you the same power as the 49-staters and still passes emissions. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 01:05:56 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04351 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA29501; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:02:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:48:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Painting steel headers -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199810161312.JAA04289@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > Hrm.. wonder if these people saw the increase on the Dyno.. Yep.The Buell guy has worked building high-output turbo car motors for drag strip use.He's seen lots of good results with wrapped headers. > I've played > with header wrap.. it's not worth the effort for a streetbike. Look at the bikes I mentioned;power isn't the only reason the pipes were wrapped.Cook the inside of your right thigh for awhile with a Buell,and you'll be looking for relief too. > Not to mention that the stuff > can be dangerous. Mine started fraying along the bottom (probably from > loading the bike into trucks) and eventually started flapping in the breeze > on one header.. Well, should it do that, the chances of it getting caught > up in the chain/wheel are pretty high.. and I'd hate to have a wreck caused > by that. Tsk tsk Brian.Who's fault is it for not checking up on the wrapping? Preventative maintenance.If you ever ride something Harley powered,you'll learn to go over the bike every once and a while to make sure everything's tight. > For the do-it-at-home thing, spend $7 on 3000degree paint and follow the > directions on the can.. it'll probably last a season. Coating/wrapping does more than just cover the pipes.Getting the pipes chromed would have the same effect as painting. > For the pro job, get them ceramic coated.. that's more or less permanent > unless you bang the headers with something.. then it'll chip off. As I said,if I'd kept the Buell I'd have the pipes Jet-Hot coated. Might wind up doing it to the Harley's pipes. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 08:05:11 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21064 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAE43860658; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:04:52 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981019075802.00fa8cc0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:59:21 -0400 To: "George Howell" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster inall of us.-Reply Cc: In-Reply-To: <000201bdf88a$af568460$6e0000c0@demon> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You're probably right, but Jim Furlong, who used to be on this list, has told several stories of towing disabled cars with his Suzuki VX800 and later his Honda ST1100. He recommends towing off the footpeg bracket to get the force down low. Chris Norloff At 06:25 PM 10/15/98 , George Howell wrote: >I've often wondered this. I think it's because the bike engine doesn't have >the torque to move a car. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > > >> Does anyone know why Suzuki builds cars and trucks with 50hp engines and >> bikes with 100hp? Seems to me that V4 from the Cavalcade & Madura >> woulda been a good motor in a cage. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 08:04:56 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20991 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAE33860658; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:04:51 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981019075349.00fc1c50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:55:51 -0400 To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MCNews? Any good? -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:37 PM 10/15/98 , JOE NAGY wrote: > One really cool thing they did >a couple years back was to sponsor some loon who rode the Iron Butt on a >Honda scooter--that's just sick. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Ed Otto, on a 250 Honda Scooter named Floppy. He was the rallymaster for the Iron Butt rally the next time it came around. His was the smallest bike at the time, but now a German holds the record for completing the Iron Butt on a 185cc 2-stroke. fact is stranger than fiction, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 08:04:56 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20993 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAE53860658; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:04:53 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981019080037.00fc5890@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:01:39 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: A bit of Moto a lot of Volvo+ In-Reply-To: <033201bdf8a3$a1f53000$3f10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >~> I've only been riding for two months, and noted the statistic that Volvo >~> drivers are involved in more accidents with bikes than any other make of >~> car. Is this really true? I've heard these tales, and have noted many bad Volvo drivers (and many bad other drivers, and some good Volvo drivers). Anyone have the real statistics on this? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 09:20:51 1998 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23925 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BUKa002302; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8ceb87f0.362b3adc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:13:00 EDT To: bnorton@XXXXXX, tleatsducks@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer.@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, sean@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX, donburger@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, HJKOH63@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Yard Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 You find the craziest things at yard sales these days. How about a perfect blue R1, with 2,112 miles, Hindle carbon fiber slip-on with a matching "Look" tank bra. I'll TAKE IT! >;~) The heats on, I would like to sell to sell the F2 this fall so I don't need to rearrange my garage (re: clean) and sell it to someone who will enjoy & respect it, if not i'll wait till Memorial Day and sell it to a squid for top dollar, "as is". For Sale: 1994, CBR600F2, 21K, White, Black & Red, Excellent Condition, De- Stickered, Lockart Euroshield, D & D Slip-on, K & N, New 207's, New Brakes, Braided Rear Brake Line, have all original parts. Will install New Sprockets (your choice of gearing), Chain & Clutch for fall sale. $4,000. Tom T. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 10:03:23 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25859 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRW7SC5K; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:02:46 EDT To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A bit of Moto a lot of Volvo+ Message-ID: <19981019.000759.8127.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981019080037.00fc5890@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,6-9,18,24-30 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:02:46 EDT Re: "I've only been riding for two months, and noted the statistic that Volvo drivers are involved in more accidents with bikes than any other make of car...," Chris Norloff at cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: >Is this really true? I've heard these tales, and have noted many bad Volvo drivers >(and many bad other drivers, and some good Volvo drivers). Anyone have the real >statistics on this? Does a one-legged duck swim in a circle? Of COURSE it's true! Okay. I have no idea if this is actually true, but how many times have you personally swerved or braked really hard to avoid physical contact with a Volvo? I did this just this morning. Also, I make it my business to avoid at all costs any Cadillac, especially if it's operated by an older woman (a Blue Hair) or an older man wearing any type of hat ("Oh, Magoo, you've done it again..."). If they're wearing those big blaster shield sunglasses over their prescription glasses, I'll turn a corner and run up a side street. A one-lane cushion isn't enough for someone like them. I prefer an entire city block. Don't get me wrong. I like older people, but some of them just shouldn't drive. My own mother-in-law is one of them. Shes losing her sight at an alarming rate...but she's got herself a new 4-door Lincoln Continental to aim...er, I mean, to drive. It's champagne colored and has a Sheriff's Association license plate frame. I tell you this for your safety. You'll have to look out for her, `cause she's not looking out for you... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 10:05:34 1998 Return-Path: pgerhardt@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f296.hotmail.com [207.82.251.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25955 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10874 invoked by uid 0); 19 Oct 1998 14:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19981019140459.10873.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.3.203.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:04:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.3.203.65] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/18/98 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:04:59 EDT Dale Horkster were you on the COG ride Sun? It was great for a little Sun club ride! It was in the 80's at our lunch stop in Seneca Rocks WVA! Nice colors on the leaves at the higher elevations. Did about 650 miles. Had 25 COG members had breakfast start at Brookside rest. nr. Luray. Did 33 and 55 couple of other roads. GREAT DAY trip. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 10:25:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26711 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09508 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (known send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03330 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981019142556.12054.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [192.104.54.1] by send203.yahoomail.com; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:25:56 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: generic leather jackets To: dc DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Competition Accessories has their own line of leather apparel. They have two sport riding jackets: Laguna - $179 Avenger - $199 (currently on sale) Does anyone know if these generics are worth it? They seem to have all of the basic features but I am concerned about their quality of leather, construction, stitching,... I would love to buy a Heine Gericke V-Pilot or something but these are SO MUCH cheaper. Par 95 RF900 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 10:33:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27091 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09545 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03565 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4Y7ZXKYY>; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:27:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Brakes Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:27:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks to all the respondees. You all have given me plenty of advice and recommendations; now the task is sorting out all of that advice and recommendations into a coherent plan of attack. :) Everyone has been terrific, and I'm confident that I'm now capable of accomplishing the task at hand (if I can't, expect an SOS message). Thanks again (I reall need to come up with one of those witty closing remarks so many of you have). Mitch From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 10:49:13 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27635 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRXAD8AG; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:48:34 EDT To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excellent drag racing story (fwd) for the speedster inall of us.-Reply Message-ID: <19981019.005352.8127.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981019075802.00fa8cc0@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-6 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:48:34 EDT On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:59:21 -0400 Chris Norloff writes: >You're probably right, but Jim Furlong, who used to be on this list, has told several >stories of towing disabled cars with his Suzuki VX800 and later his Honda ST1100. >He recommends towing off the footpeg bracket to get the force down low. What?!?! NFW! (No Way!) }8-O ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 13:23:58 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04084 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5A638701BE; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:23:53 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981019132026.0107b1c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:21:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow -- http://www.strappe.com/pics/aaron1.jpg Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 13:37:11 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04794 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:38:14 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:37:43 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: bnorton@XXXXXX, CBR600twt@XXXXXX, HJKOH63@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX, donburger@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, sbeck@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer.@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, sean@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, tleatsducks@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yard Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dare I ask, how much? And why did they sell it? Scooter >>> 10/19/98 09:13AM >>> You find the craziest things at yard sales these days. How about a = perfect blue R1, with 2,112 miles, Hindle carbon fiber slip-on with a matching = "Look" tank bra. I'll TAKE IT! >;~) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 15:03:17 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08099 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:04:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:03:54 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX Subject: Tech Question - Problem Solved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks to everyone who replied concerning my power loss. I got the = problem fixed over the weekend. I took a run out to my local shop and had = them check the plugs (didn't have the tools at the time). It seems that = the last person to change the plugs didn't route the cables correctly. = The cooling fan blades were cutting into them and sliced through the = insulation on the 2 and 3 cable, hence the loudness of the fan. All four = plugs were rusted and had to be replaced. I need to order a new coil but = they taped it up and said it will last until after winter. It runs like a = champ now. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 15:07:46 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08387 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (lib1.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J35QNSH4JE8ZDW1X@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:07:40 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:12:09 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Yard Sale To: SCOTT Rush Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <362B8F09.CFE0C946@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: $9625. Because he couldn't keep the front end down (IOW, it scared him). SCOTT Rush wrote: > Dare I ask, how much? And why did they sell it? > > Scooter > > >>> 10/19/98 09:13AM >>> > You find the craziest things at yard sales these days. How about a perfect > blue R1, with 2,112 miles, Hindle carbon fiber slip-on with a matching "Look" > tank bra. I'll TAKE IT! >;~) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 15:09:35 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08397 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:09:43 -0400 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F033@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:09:35 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" May all our curves be as on-camber as the one Slighty's traversin' here... -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 1:21 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow -- http://www.strappe.com/pics/aaron1.jpg Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 15:13:37 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08558 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:14:49 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:14:05 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yard Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Nice, very nice. It might scare me at first too. But, I'm sure I could = get over it. ;-) Scooter >>> Tom Gimer 10/19/98 03:12PM >>> $9625. Because he couldn't keep the front end down (IOW, it scared him). SCOTT Rush wrote: > Dare I ask, how much? And why did they sell it? > > Scooter > > >>> 10/19/98 09:13AM >>> > You find the craziest things at yard sales these days. How about a = perfect > blue R1, with 2,112 miles, Hindle carbon fiber slip-on with a matching = "Look" > tank bra. I'll TAKE IT! >;~) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 15:16:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08872 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12835 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16583 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hgg (user-38lc4ac.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.17.76]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA21733 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981019151658.00802960@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:16:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Expensive Test Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" While I was getting news tires put on my R1100RT at Bob's BMW, Jim Ford in the sales department suggested I take the new R1100S out for a spin. Leaping at the opportunity, I was amazed by the poise and responsiveness of this bike. However, I got so wrapped up in the moment, I had the chance to share my joy with local law enforcement. Long story short: $135 for 57 mph in a 30 mph zone. Thankfully I was slowing down at the time. Still, what a bike! Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 15:34:40 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09514 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zVL4P-0000c5-00; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:34:21 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:33:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DA92@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:32:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain JEEZUS!! The only time my bike looks like that is when I'm caught under it after dropping it in the driveway. ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 1:21 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow > > Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow -- > http://www.strappe.com/pics/aaron1.jpg > > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 16:08:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11055 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13445 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (known send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19119 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981019200851.5655.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.100] by send201.yahoomail.com; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:08:51 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? To: Boiade@XXXXXX, gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, I didn't write that! I replied to it (someone else wrote it) that a real superior pilot does not need an airplane, a truly superior pilot flies mere inches from the ground around a motorcycle racetrack. Ray ---Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/18/98 2:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: > > << A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who > > stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR > > Judgement to AVOID the situations which might > > require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. >> > > Tell that to Doohan, Biagi etc. They purposely get into situations e.g. late, > late braking accelerating out of a corner while still heeled over, etc. to use > their superior skills and not fall. > > Now when I am on an airplane, I want the pilot you describe. LOL > > Ciao, > > Fred > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 16:56:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13107 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14106 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20833 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:56:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA03296 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566A2.0072EC8F ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:55:16 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566A2.007257F4.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:46:20 -0400 Subject: Questions about singles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello all, In the quest for my next motorcycle, which I had originally hoped would be a vintage British single, I've come across some interesting Japanese singles from the 70's that have also caught my eye (specifically the Yamaha SR 500 and the Honda CL 450). I was wondering...have any of you had any experience any Japanese 4-stroke singles? Basically I'm looking for a vintage 4-stroke single, 450cc or larger, kick start, with spoked wheels. I'll probably use the bike for a while, and then attempt some performance modifications like rejetting, and maybe a front end that accepts clip-ons (a BSA Goldstar Clubmans would be my ideal choice, but I'm not swimming in $$$), etc. I'm still considering an Enfield Bullet (keep in mind I'm just looking for a recreational bike), but I'd like to explore other ideas before I commit. In the same issue of CycleWorld (last year) that they showed the first pictures of the Kawasaki Indian look-alike cruiser they also displayed a new Honda CL 500...does anyone know about this bike? The text blurb under the photo said that Honda didn't have any definite plans to send the bike into full production, but that was last year... Many thanks in advance! -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 17:39:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14817 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14427 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22158 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id PRSDa02341; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7861e24.362bb0d6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:36:22 EDT To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX, gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/19/98 4:08:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << Hey, I didn't write that! I >> Sorry, the old who the heck wrote what problem. I guess it's the early stages of alzheimers, but i can't seem to figure out who wrote what to whomm these days. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 19:43:54 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19575 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr38-dialup60.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F13006NKLW2PU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:43:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:39:06 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <004401bdfbd2$d0291860$7c4c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow -- >http://www.strappe.com/pics/aaron1.jpg > >Chris Norloff Not to be nit picky, but that's Aaron Yates........... Pic up the latest Roadracing World Mag. and you'll get a free poster of this shot. Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 20:15:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20785 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15348 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27666 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX Received: from Clayptlabs@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WFDUa02341; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:12:07 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <38530270.362bd557@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:12:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Trailers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 I started taking apart the utility trailer that I use to haul the bike on family vacations in preparation of making it fit 2 bikes. I ride a Sportster, the wife has a Shadow.... So they are basically the same size. The question is what is the right width? I think to not need a special permit, the total trailer width can not exceed 8 ft? If that is true, the wheels are outside, so the bed can only be 7 ft wide. This seems marginal as each bike is 36 inches wide at the mirrors. Any experience/input? Soon?, as I have to get this back together by Halloween. This trailer is my go to the dump and Halloween Trick or Treating Hayride trailer. Dave in Manassas, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 20:40:19 1998 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21877 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA29687; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362C060E.69EC@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:39:58 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Paresh Karandikar Subject: RE: generic leather jackets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paresh Karandikar wroet: > Competition Accessories has their own line of leather apparel. They > have two sport riding jackets: > Laguna - $179 > Avenger - $199 (currently on sale) > Does anyone know if these generics are worth it? They seem to have > all of the basic features but I am concerned about their quality of > leather, construction, stitching,... I would love to buy a Heine > Gericke V-Pilot or something but these are SO MUCH cheaper. Talk to Colleen at Moto Leathers. I got my V-Pilot for less than $300 from her. It's false economy to go cheap, when for a little more you can get quality. The jacket will last me a long time I'm sure. (J.C. Whitney sells jackets too, but I don't know anyone who would buy one.) JK From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 21:26:51 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23545 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:24:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Mark E. Truelove'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: maintenance book Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:24:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) No need to. I already have one. When you're over changing your tires you can use it too. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 22:11:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25217 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15819 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00857 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-207.s207.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16172; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362C1AE2.E88296E1@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:08:50 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailers References: <38530270.362bd557@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, It sounds as if you're custom building the trailer? I've got a 5x8 flatbed with front and side rails. I've found it more than capable of handling two full size bikes. Mirrors are easy to remove for transit if they are causing you a problem. Also, you might consider offseting the bikes a bit. i.e. have one rest about a foot farther forward than the other. This will get rid of the mirror problem.... If you want, feel free to swing by and take some measurements off of mine... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 22:39:01 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26421 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3JYRa04682 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:38:20 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:38:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: generic leather jackets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 OK, since someone else mentioned it, here's my little pitch: I have lots of used leathers, and a new web address http://www.leatherexchange.com back to usual lurk mode... Colleen >Talk to Colleen at Moto Leathers. I got my V-Pilot for less than $300 >from her. It's false economy to go cheap, when for a little more you >can get quality. The jacket will last me a long time I'm sure. (J.C. >Whitney sells jackets too, but I don't know anyone who would buy one.) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 19 22:54:16 1998 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26935 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:54:15 -0400 (EDT) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-34-225.s34.as12.rkv.erols.com [207.172.34.225]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11458 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362C240E.7663@erols.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:47:58 -0700 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Car towing ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>You're probably right, but Jim Furlong, who used to be on this list, >>has >>told several >stories of towing disabled cars with his Suzuki VX800 >>and >>later his Honda ST1100. >He recommends towing off the footpeg bracket >>to >>get the force down low. >What?!?! NFW! (No Way!) }8-O I've towed a chevy Cavalier out of deep water (just under the the door handles) in Baja last summer...with my DR650. Niv DR650 DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 00:12:06 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA29795 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA04789; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:08:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:05:50 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: generic leather jackets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <362C060E.69EC@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > (J.C. > Whitney sells jackets too, but I don't know anyone who would buy one.) I don't know what's scarier;the helmets and tires they sell,or the fact that people actually buy them. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 00:17:45 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA00239 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA04840; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:14:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:12:45 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Questions about singles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852566A2.007257F4.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Basically I'm looking for a > vintage 4-stroke single, 450cc or larger, kick start, with spoked wheels. Sounds like a Honda GB500.Unfortunately,they're a cult bike now and usually go for a pretty penny.If you don't mind slightly modern styling, Honda's FT500 Ascots were sweet bikes.They're cheaper,but also tend to be in poorer condition as they were budget bikes in their day and don't have the same cult following. Another bike along the lines of the SR would be its successor,the SRX. Mag wheels,but still a kicker and with triple disk brakes. Have you looked into the new MZ's?I think they're all electric start and they're liquid-cooled,but they have a model with the styling you're interested in.You might also think about taking a modern dual-purpose bike and change out the tank/tail/fenders. My dad belongs to a club called the Four Stroke Singles Club.It's for thumper riders.I think they have a website and their magazine has classifieds for singles.You should definitely check them out.Anyone here a member with more info? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 00:49:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01440 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17068 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03766 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WTXJa02317 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5944be76.362c1610@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:48:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Hmm... How bout a GoldWing with a tow package much like a towtruck? Could be interesting. :) If a guy can pull a 747 with his teeth (it's somewhere in the Guinness book), then surely a bike can pull a car or truck. Just gotta be careful what you're doing! BTW, don't let them get word of that out here in Frederick! I can see it now.... right after the Tractor pull, they'll have Bike Pulls!! I'll never be able to ride in town again. Sheeesh. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" (and no, I haven't towed anything with it... yet :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 00:51:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01519 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17076 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03799 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:49:05 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Questions about singles Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:52:48 -0400 Message-ID: <016601bdfbe5$7c633180$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <852566A2.007257F4.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Quite simply, if it's an interesting bike, Honda probably won't sell it in the US. Actually, the same goes for all bike manufacturers. I'm truly amazed that the F650 made its' way across the Atlantic. If you like old bikes (esp. Japanese ones) I'd recommend a trip to Borders for a copy of Classic Motorcycle Mechanics. Runs about $6.50 an issue, but lots of nice how to articles. An even better idea would be to check their article index and see about getting them to send copies of articles about bikes you are interested in. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > In the same issue of CycleWorld (last year) that they showed the first > pictures of the Kawasaki Indian look-alike cruiser they also displayed a > new Honda CL 500...does anyone know about this bike? The text blurb under > the photo said that Honda didn't have any definite plans to send the bike > into full production, but that was last year... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 04:06:26 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA09992 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA06483; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:02:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:00:35 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Your Turn Todd! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok Todd,your turn to do this at the party.If you do I'll wheeley the Harley(after I put a cam in it). ;-) http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/98sporttour/main3.html The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 07:17:09 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17243 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A1303303BA; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:17:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981020065445.00fa9340@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:55:35 -0400 To: "Jon S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow In-Reply-To: <004401bdfbd2$d0291860$7c4c37a6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:39 PM 10/19/98 , Jon S. wrote: >>Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow -- >>http://www.strappe.com/pics/aaron1.jpg >> >>Chris Norloff > > Not to be nit picky, but that's Aaron Yates........... Pic up the >latest Roadracing World Mag. and you'll get a free poster of this shot. >Jon Oops, thanks. I wasn't sure, and that was what someone else said. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 07:26:25 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17412 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:25:37 -0400 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F035@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Your Turn Todd! Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:26:51 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" and it has to be with side cases on and wearing tenny-pumps -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley [mailto:gnissley@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 12:01 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Your Turn Todd! Ok Todd,your turn to do this at the party.If you do I'll wheeley the Harley(after I put a cam in it). ;-) http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/98sporttour/main3.html The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 08:47:51 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20761 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:47:50 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 20 Oct 1998 08:47:48 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 20 Oct 1998 08:47:48 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 060FA362C867400F-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 060FA362C867400F Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <060FA362C867400F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 20 Oct 1998 08:47:48 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles Subject: Thieving' B*stards Message-Id: <060FA362C867400F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> How is this for a lovely way to start a morning! I wake up and get dressed for a brisk ride into work. I head out the door and low and behold there's an empty spot where my motorcycled used to be parked. Last night some low down, good for nothing pieces of sh*t paid a visit and lifted my bike from my parking lot. And yes before anyone asks, it was covered, chained, locked and parked directly under a very bright light. The only good thing was that before the *ssholes stole it they took off the cover (I guess they wanted to make sure it was the right bike) and stuffed it under my car. So at least I don't have to buy a new cover for my next bike. Don B. Ex owner of a motorcycle From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 08:56:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21112 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19454 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11566 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-53-14.s14.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.14]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09428 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bdfc07$b0b71100$0e35accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Harley Davidson article in latest issue of PM Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:56:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi there, I just saw the latest (Nov 98) Popular Mechanics and the cover story is "Hot for Harleys! From stock clerks to stock brokers, everyone wants a piece of the fantasy. Here's why ..." and it pictures an awesome chopper and a sportster, I think. PM has a web site though the cover story doesn't appear on the site yet. Nonetheless, you might want to check it out: http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/auto2/2HAUMCP.html - - Ursulina From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 08:57:04 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21147 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16994; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:58:14 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A32@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Burger, Donald '" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Thieving' B*stards Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:58:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That really bites A$$!!!!! I was wondering why your bike wasn't down in the parking garage this morning :( > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 8:56 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Thieving' B*stards > > How is this for a lovely way to start a morning! I wake up and get > dressed for a brisk ride into work. I head out the door and low and > behold there's an empty spot where my motorcycled used to be parked. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 08:57:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21196 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19458 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11578 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-53-14.s14.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.14]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09830 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01bdfc07$d600f700$0e35accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Harley Davidson article in latest issue of PM Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:58:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi there, I just saw the latest (Nov 98) Popular Mechanics and the cover story is "Hot for Harleys! From stock clerks to stock brokers, everyone wants a piece of the fantasy. Here's why ..." and it pictures an awesome chopper and a sportster, I think. PM has a web site though the cover story doesn't appear on the site yet. Nonetheless, you might want to check it out: http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/auto2/2HAUMCP.html - - Ursulina@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:09:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21605 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19538 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11837 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566A3.0047C8C0 ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:04:04 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Burger, Donald " cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566A3.00476F62.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:04:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Thieving' B*stards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Damn. Sorry to hear the bad news. What area do you live in? Maybe we can keep a sharp eye out for your scoot. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:11:07 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21628 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zVbZ2-0002Fg-00; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:11:04 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:10:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DAB1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Burger, Donald '" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Thieving' B*stards Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:09:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I am so sorry! That sucks!! - Jeannette > Last night some low down, good for nothing pieces of sh*t paid a > visit > and lifted my bike from my parking lot. > > > > Don B. > Ex owner of a motorcycle From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:13:54 1998 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21706 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA06360 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:15:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199810201315.JAA06360@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:14:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Thieving' B*stards Priority: normal In-reply-to: <060FA362C867400F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Don, Having had one of my bikes stolen too, (right out of my garage!?#!!) I feel your pain. What kind of bike was it so your fellow DC cyclers can keep a look out for you.... John How is this for a lovely way to start a morning! I wake up and get dressed for a brisk ride into work. I head out the door and low and behold there's an empty spot where my motorcycled used to be parked. Last night some low down, good for nothing pieces of sh*t paid a visit and lifted my bike from my parking lot. And yes before anyone asks, it was covered, chained, locked and parked directly under a very bright light. The only good thing was that before the *ssholes stole it they took off the cover (I guess they wanted to make sure it was the right bike) and stuffed it under my car. So at least I don't have to buy a new cover for my next bike. Don B. Ex owner of a motorcycle From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:31:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22508 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19660 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12365 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:30:57 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 20 Oct 1998 09:30:50 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 20 Oct 1998 09:30:50 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 01F30362C908A004-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 01F30362C908A004 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <01F30362C908A004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 20 Oct 1998 09:30:50 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "sbeck@XXXXXX" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Thieving' B*stards Message-Id: <01F30362C908A004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I live up in Calverton, MD north of Silver Spring. Its is/was a Red/White/Black F3 just like many of the 96's. The only things that would make it any different from all of the others down in this area are: A Tailocker - It replaces the rear fender and gives the bike a trunk. A D&D Carbon fiber slip on. New Jersey tags. J7903 (like they would really still be on it) None of the manufacturers warning stickers or reflectors. But as the friendly policeman told me: "You ain't gettin' it back. I've been doin' this for the past 5 years and we haven't found one yet. Its probably being split up into a bunch of pieces and they all will be sold by lunch." -----Original Message----- From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:08 AM To: Burger, Donald Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thieving' B*stards Damn. Sorry to hear the bad news. What area do you live in? Maybe we can keep a sharp eye out for your scoot. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:42:49 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22938 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26792; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:42:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "Burger, Donald " cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Thieving' B*stards In-Reply-To: <060FA362C867400F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Oct 1998, Burger, Donald wrote: > Last night some low down, good for nothing pieces of sh*t paid a visit > and lifted my bike from my parking lot. I guess my "look on the bright side" question is, will insurance get you close to what you were trying to sell the bike for? While I understand fully the feeling of having something stolen (my car was stolen in one of the first in the trend towards car jacking and by chance also one of the first in the trend towards ATM robberies - I'm a pioneer victim) maybe you've had your selling hassle replaced with insurance hassle... After my car was stolen (just got the permanent plates, brand new...) I didn't want it back and hoped it was gone for good. It turned out that $4k damage was done to it. Luckily, that car hasn't had a problem since (140k miles now). Anyway, it sucks but that's life in the city... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:43:07 1998 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22948 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A8418E10B@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE:Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:40:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain [Jay St. Peter] I think that is Aaron Yates (from Roadracing World). > Subject: Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow > > Aaron Slight, almost dragging an elbow -- > http://www.strappe.com/pics/aaron1.jpg > > Chris Norloff > > May all our curves be as on-camber as the one Slighty's traversin' > here... > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:50:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23344 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19734 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12990 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WEGa003767 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2131d9ea.362c950c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:50:04 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Thieving' B*stards - can of WhoopAss Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Man, Im sorry to hear that. You think it cant happen to you then WHAM it does. Im still praying that I never have that feeling. What area are you? What kind of bike? Color? License plate #? Give us the details so if we see him we can beat the shit out of him and get your bike. ;) Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:51:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23354 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19737 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13022 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:53:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:53:08 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: sbeck@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Thieving' B*stards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I wonder if they make LoJacks (sp) for motorcycles. You'd think they = would considering the number of them that get stolen. Sorry to hear about = your bike. I'll keep an eye out for it here in DC, but the cop is = probably right. Scooter >>> "Burger, Donald " 10/20/98 09:30AM = >>> But as the friendly policeman told me: "You ain't gettin' it back. I've = =20 been doin' this for the past 5 years and we haven't found one yet. Its = =20 probably being split up into a bunch of pieces and they all will be sold = =20 by lunch." From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 09:59:34 1998 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23476 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:59:33 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3YXEa02343 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <732aec11.362c970a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:58:34 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: Thieving' B*stards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 10/20/98 9:16:36 AM, you wrote: < visit > and lifted my bike from my parking lot.>> sorry about your bike!!!! and in my own bike's defense - did you have a disk lock on it? and did they actually LIFT it (as in being unable to roll it) and should I consider locking my bike TO something? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 10:06:37 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23898 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:03:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "Burger, Donald " Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Thieving' B*stards Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:04:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Don, you might actually get more from the insurance company then you would have if you had sold it. Don't let on to the Insurance rep that you were going to sell it as he might try to low ball the money you will get. Act like you loved that bike more then life. Glenn > I guess my "look on the bright side" question is, will insurance get you > close to what you were trying to sell the bike for? While I understand > fully the feeling of having something stolen (my car was stolen in one of > the first in the trend towards car jacking and by chance also one of the > first in the trend towards ATM robberies - I'm a pioneer victim) maybe > you've had your selling hassle replaced with insurance hassle... After my > car was stolen (just got the permanent plates, brand new...) I didn't want > it back and hoped it was gone for good. It turned out that $4k damage was > done to it. Luckily, that car hasn't had a problem since (140k miles now). > > Anyway, it sucks but that's life in the city... > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 10:28:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24757 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20108 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amerchem.acs.org (known [208.209.231.222] [208.209.231.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14156 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA25680; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:28:22 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:27:45 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44DF@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Questions about singles Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:27:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, I have a little experience with Singles. I currently own a newer one, a Suzuki Savage LS650, and I have been looking for Yamaha SR500 to restore. I love my Savage after I made a few modifications (slip-on exhaust, and new handlebars), but aftermarket parts are hard to find. The Savage is good bike, reasonable price (cheap), easy to maintain (1 spark plug, 1 carb, belt driven, etc.), classic styling, but very hard to modify (unless your are a motorcycle mechanic and can make homemade modifications yourself). There aren't many manufacturers that make specialized parts for it (No jet kits, cams, etc. made specifically for the Savage). However, you can get a SR500 in reasonably good shape for less that a used Savage for about $1100 -$1500 (two available on www.traderonline.com around this price) and Ernie Cuff at www.thumperstuff.com has a lot of aftermarket parts for a reasonable price. I am trying to find one in bad shape to restore so I can learn more about them (Single Cylinder bikes). I am afraid that I don't know much about the Indian lookalike or the Honda CL450 but you might want to try looking around at "The Thumper Page", a site dedicated to single cylinder motorcycles at http://www.ionet.net/~jhanna/THUMPER.HTML . Good Luck. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX [mailto:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Questions about singles Hello all, In the quest for my next motorcycle, which I had originally hoped would be a vintage British single, I've come across some interesting Japanese singles from the 70's that have also caught my eye (specifically the Yamaha SR 500 and the Honda CL 450). I was wondering...have any of you had any experience any Japanese 4-stroke singles? Basically I'm looking for a vintage 4-stroke single, 450cc or larger, kick start, with spoked wheels. I'll probably use the bike for a while, and then attempt some performance modifications like rejetting, and maybe a front end that accepts clip-ons (a BSA Goldstar Clubmans would be my ideal choice, but I'm not swimming in $$$), etc. I'm still considering an Enfield Bullet (keep in mind I'm just looking for a recreational bike), but I'd like to explore other ideas before I commit. In the same issue of CycleWorld (last year) that they showed the first pictures of the Kawasaki Indian look-alike cruiser they also displayed a new Honda CL 500...does anyone know about this bike? The text blurb under the photo said that Honda didn't have any definite plans to send the bike into full production, but that was last year... Many thanks in advance! -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 10:35:04 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25100 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:35:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id KAA22724 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566A3.006EA80B ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:34:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566A3.004F8E7B.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:29:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Questions about singles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi Gil (and all), I hadn't checked out the GB500...but when you mentioned it I searched for it and man, that's pretty much exactly the bike I want. Does Honda still make 'em? I only ask because the ones I saw were either 90 or 91. I love the fact that they already have clip-ons (or at least the ones I saw did) and the cafe-style seat/rear. I did see 2 for sale on the web, but they were going for $3,100 and $4,000. I have to find one of those around here! Any ideas where I can look? I also saw that they made a GB650... Thanks, -Doug Please respond to "Gil M. Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Questions about singles On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Basically I'm looking for a > vintage 4-stroke single, 450cc or larger, kick start, with spoked wheels. Sounds like a Honda GB500.Unfortunately,they're a cult bike now and usually go for a pretty penny.If you don't mind slightly modern styling, Honda's FT500 Ascots were sweet bikes.They're cheaper,but also tend to be in poorer condition as they were budget bikes in their day and don't have the same cult following. Another bike along the lines of the SR would be its successor,the SRX. Mag wheels,but still a kicker and with triple disk brakes. Have you looked into the new MZ's?I think they're all electric start and they're liquid-cooled,but they have a model with the styling you're interested in.You might also think about taking a modern dual-purpose bike and change out the tank/tail/fenders. My dad belongs to a club called the Four Stroke Singles Club.It's for thumper riders.I think they have a website and their magazine has classifieds for singles.You should definitely check them out.Anyone here a member with more info? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 10:45:03 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25541 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27030; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:46:22 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A3F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Questions about singles Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:46:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Tom Fitzpatrick races one out at summit point... There's a pic of him on it at http://www.seapup.com in the photo section... I'm not at my machine right now, so I can't give you his email addy, but I'll try and remeber to send it to you when I get back to my desk... Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 10:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Questions about singles > > I have to find one of those around here! > Any ideas where I can look? I also saw that they made a GB650... > > Thanks, > -Doug > > > > > > > > > > > Please respond to "Gil M. Nissley" > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: Re: Questions about singles > > > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > Basically I'm looking for a > > vintage 4-stroke single, 450cc or larger, kick start, with spoked > wheels. > > Sounds like a Honda GB500.Unfortunately,they're a cult bike now and > usually go for a pretty penny.If you don't mind slightly modern styling, > Honda's FT500 Ascots were sweet bikes.They're cheaper,but also tend to > be in poorer condition as they were budget bikes in their day and don't > have the same cult following. > Another bike along the lines of the SR would be its successor,the SRX. > Mag wheels,but still a kicker and with triple disk brakes. > Have you looked into the new MZ's?I think they're all electric start > and they're liquid-cooled,but they have a model with the styling you're > interested in.You might also think about taking a modern dual-purpose > bike and change out the tank/tail/fenders. > My dad belongs to a club called the Four Stroke Singles Club.It's > for thumper riders.I think they have a website and their magazine has > classifieds for singles.You should definitely check them out.Anyone here > a member with more info? > > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 11:01:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26072 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20341 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (known mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15270 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26804; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.187.136.56]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F1400PDGSDZ4B@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:02:11 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:58:25 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Questions about singles To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DDE4@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain I too have a Suzuki Savage - 1987. I also know why they call them "thumpers" too; . It sounds like riding a very fast lawn mower. I still have all stock materials on it. Just had the seat recovered because of a rip. I like it. Highway speeds take some getting used to when it comes to vibrations - make my nose itch and my feet tickle at 70+ miles/hour but you get used to it. You either go a little faster or slower until you find the right vibration. It also rides a little "stiff" - I can usually feel every rut, bump, etc - yet I'm used to it. Love my Savage. [ Let us know what you get ! I've never seen any other singles except a Savage. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 11:28:52 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27349 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id LAA21749; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:28:46 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id LAA29212; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:28:45 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Car towing ! In-Reply-To: <5944be76.362c1610@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmm... How bout a GoldWing with a tow package much like a towtruck? Could be > interesting. :) A fellow recently told me of seeing a GoldWing towing a 900RR on a trailer on the way to the Honda Hoot. Hugh A. Caldwell From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 13:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03202 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 336; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:55:50 -0400 Message-ID: <362CCEDF.28F9771B@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:56:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List CC: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, Mike Troutman Subject: Re: cancellation for Saturday References: <4.1.19981020134621.00db0bd0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Troutman wrote: > Sorry Todd, but I wont be able to make it on Saturday. Hope > everything goes well! (now the lasagne is up for grabs). Uh oh, now what are we gonna do? A DC-Cycles Party without lasagna? Poor little ol' us! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 14:26:20 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04429 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: cancellation for Saturday Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:24:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) You Dale, come on please. Glenn > Uh oh, now what are we gonna do? A DC-Cycles Party without > lasagna? Poor little ol' us! :) > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 15:54:22 1998 Return-Path: sled@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07821 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mary-ann.erols.com (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20872 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810201954.PAA20872@smtp2.erols.com> X-Sender: sled@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:36:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wes Fleming Subject: Re: cancellation for Saturday In-Reply-To: <362CCEDF.28F9771B@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19981020134621.00db0bd0@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Horkster -- you better come or my DCMRLMP* will hunt you down and ... trim your shrubbery! W *Dale City Motorcycle Ridin Lawn Mowin Posse Wes Fleming, MA sled@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 CB-750 "Extra Sled" Yes, the helmet matches on purpose. No, my wife did NOT pick it out for me. http://shadow.newspeak.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 16:27:11 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09125 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981020202739.28823.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.76] by send201.yahoomail.com; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:27:39 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: RE: generic leather jackets To: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bought a biker jacket at Sears (in Key West, who would need a leather jacket in Key West? .. Uh, don't answer that. I don't think I want to know) in 1985 for $90, I saddlesoap it every year or two and it's better than new. ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > > (J.C. > > Whitney sells jackets too, but I don't know anyone who would buy one.) > > I don't know what's scarier;the helmets and tires they sell,or the > fact that people actually buy them. > > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 16:33:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09437 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22920 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (known send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28264 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981020203340.2364.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.76] by send201.yahoomail.com; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:33:40 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? To: Boiade@XXXXXX, gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's okay, I just don't want anyone to think I like pilots. I barely tolerate them. Ray ---Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/19/98 4:08:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: > > << Hey, I didn't write that! I >> > > Sorry, the old who the heck wrote what problem. I guess it's the early stages > of alzheimers, but i can't seem to figure out who wrote what to whomm these > days. LOL > > Ciao, > > Fred > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 16:43:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09907 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22944 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (known send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28504 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981020204334.8934.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.76] by send202.yahoomail.com; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:43:34 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: RE: Thieving' B*stards To: SCOTT Rush , sbeck@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lojacks for bikes were available in Miami. Mine was stolen from the garage of the Federal Bldg three weeks after I got it. It was recovered the next day in Liberty City. ---SCOTT Rush wrote: > > I wonder if they make LoJacks (sp) for motorcycles. You'd think they would considering the number of them that get stolen. Sorry to hear about your bike. I'll keep an eye out for it here in DC, but the cop is probably right. > > Scooter > > >>> "Burger, Donald " 10/20/98 09:30AM >>> > But as the friendly policeman told me: "You ain't gettin' it back. I've > been doin' this for the past 5 years and we haven't found one yet. Its > probably being split up into a bunch of pieces and they all will be sold > by lunch." > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 16:51:02 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10025 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 298; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: <362CF7A7.994E251A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:50:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Fleming , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: cancellation for Saturday References: <4.1.19981020134621.00db0bd0@mail.wheatintl.com> <199810201954.PAA20872@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wes Fleming wrote: > > Hey Horkster -- you better come or my DCMRLMP* will hunt you down and ... > trim your shrubbery! > > W > > *Dale City Motorcycle Ridin Lawn Mowin Posse > Wes, Gonna mow my grass, too? :) No, I plan on attending the party. I just wondered how you'd all get along with no lasagna, that's all. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 16:54:36 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10314 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981020205512.5095.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.76] by send203.yahoomail.com; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:55:12 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: RE: Car towing ! To: TURNIP , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I believe Lead Sleds (GW's) are more suited to be a Garbage truck than a tow truck. Have I insulted any wingnuts? Then my mission here is complete. (There are only two things I hate more than GW's: Volvos and Baltimore) ---TURNIP wrote: > > > > On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Hmm... How bout a GoldWing with a tow package much like a towtruck? Could be > > interesting. :) > > > A fellow recently told me of seeing a GoldWing towing a 900RR > on a trailer on the way to the Honda Hoot. > > Hugh A. Caldwell > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 17:10:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10875 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23251 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29598 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:12:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:11:47 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: sbeck@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Thieving' B*stards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Recovered using Lojack? That's pretty good. Does anyone sell them around = here? Might be worth looking into. Scooter >>> Ray 10/20/98 04:43PM >>> Lojacks for bikes were available in Miami. Mine was stolen from the garage of the Federal Bldg three weeks after I got it. It was recovered the next day in Liberty City. =20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 18:08:59 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13379 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id PEKPa04682; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <72db9295.362d07a7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:59:03 EDT To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX, Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/20/98 5:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << There are only two things I hate more than GW's: Volvos and Baltimore) >> Isn't "hate" a little strong? I find GWs amusing, a small car on two wheels. I also find Harleys amusing, particularly when ridden by overweight men with tiny helmets. They are particularly amusing when the overweight men are lying back, their feet in the air (some appear to have pegs near the handlebars) and with very serious looks on their faces. But HATE, that's a little strong. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 18:42:31 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14679 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr31-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F1500JL6DDHS5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:34:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:30:18 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Thieving' B*stards To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00a901bdfc92$5dc72940$834a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Don, I'm so sorry. It really sucks that someone took your bike. You live right up the road from me, so I know the area isn't the greatest, but you still don't expect your bike to be gone. I'll keep my eye open for your bike. A good friend of mine installs Lojack systems for a living and says that Maryland doesn't have a system for bikes yet. It shouldn't be long, though. It's not the Lojack system that has to be adapted(it's small enough), but the police computers that aren't loaded with motorcycle information. Once Lojack is installed on a vehicle, it's part of the i.d.. Kinda neat, when the cops pull up a cars info., it lists it's vin, license, and if it has a lojack. Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 21:48:11 1998 Return-Path: mjb@XXXXXX Received: from dns1.yml.com (dns1.yml.com [209.48.224.224]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21680 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by dns1.yml.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA27746; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:51:49 -0400 X-BP-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Matthew J. Bennett" Message-Id: <199810210151.VAA27746@dns1.yml.com> Subject: Re: Questions about singles To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852566A3.004F8E7B.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> from "Douglas_Brashear@mail.amsinc.com" at Oct 20, 98 10:29:27 am Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX Content-Type: text Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: > Hi Gil (and all), > > I hadn't checked out the GB500...but when you mentioned it I searched for > it and man, that's pretty much exactly the bike I want. Does Honda still > make 'em? I only ask because the ones I saw were either 90 or 91. I love > the fact that they already have clip-ons (or at least the ones I saw did) > and the cafe-style seat/rear. I did see 2 for sale on the web, but they > were going for $3,100 and $4,000. I have to find one of those around here! > Any ideas where I can look? I also saw that they made a GB650... My wife *really* *really* liked the looks of the GB. We found a great deal on a GB, bought it, and she rode it occasionally for a few months. She had been looking for one for 5 years, and we sold it 2 months after we got it. To tell you the truth, the bike was underwhelming. Relatively nimble, but for a 500cc single I expected a *lot* more. It seemed to be tuned for high-rpm running, with none of the low-RPM arm yanking pull that singles usually have. The prices around here run between $3500 and $4000. They were only made in 90 and 91 (I think) and there were only 500s. The 650 engine modification is common, but it is aftermarket- pretty much dropping a honda 650 dirt-bike engine into it. The GB comes stock with clip-ons. Many of the GBs you will find have been raced- part of the premium you pay is due to their popularity as racers, so there aren't many good stock street bikes left. What I hear is that you can give a GB satisfying arm-yanking power, but only at great expense- $1000 to $2000 in engine work and exhaust. They are great looking bikes, but after riding one, it just gets a yawn from me, especially in comparison to the other bikes available in that price range. You can do a lot of go-fast work to it, but you will never change the basic nature of the beast. Make sure you like the engine in stock form *before* you buy it. If you do start looking for one, be prepared to travel, though you might want to beg or borrow a ride on one before you invest serious time and money in a search. Join the Thumper list (I'm not really sure where it is, but you should be able to find it with altavista), keep your eyes and ears open, spread the word at various bike shops and be very patient. Good Luck! ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 23:14:39 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA24960 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA10656; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:11:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:58:17 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Questions about singles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199810210151.VAA27746@dns1.yml.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Matthew J. Bennett wrote: > it. To tell you the truth, the bike was underwhelming. Relatively nimble, > but for a 500cc single I expected a *lot* more. It seemed to be tuned for > high-rpm running, with none of the low-RPM arm yanking pull that singles > usually have. Sounds like my Ascot.The reason the bike didn't seem to have the oomph of most singles is that thumpers are usually DP bikes.Big difference between a 300lbs DP and a 385lbs street bike when you only have 30-40 ponies to play with. > The prices around here run between $3500 and $4000. They > were only made in 90 and 91 (I think) and there were only 500s. The 650 > engine modification is common, but it is aftermarket- pretty much dropping > a honda 650 dirt-bike engine into it. Yep,there was only the 500. > What I hear is that you can give a GB satisfying arm-yanking power, but > only at great expense- $1000 to $2000 in engine work and exhaust. Oh yeah.Lots of XR/XL(Honda not Harley) hop up parts out there.And you can get serious power out of a thumper._CW_ had an article on a pair of hopped up SRX's once.The one would run 1/4 miles in the 12.0 sec range (at the time 600 Hurricanes were only a couple tenths quicker). > If you do start looking for one, be prepared to travel, though you might > want to beg or borrow a ride on one before you invest serious time and money > in a search. Join the Thumper list (I'm not really sure where it is, but > you should be able to find it with altavista), keep your eyes and ears open, > spread the word at various bike shops and be very patient. Good Luck! I think that if he'd be happy with an Enfield,he'd love a GB.And it doesn't take much to pep one up.My Ascot had a Mikuni carb and SupperTrapp slip on and it moved pretty good.In fact,I think the SuperTrapp might still be laying around my dad's garage somewhere(I put the stock pipe back on when I sold it cause dad wanted the Trapp for his XL) if anyone's interested. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 23:23:23 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25301 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA10676; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:19:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:11:20 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Questions about singles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44DF@WASH50> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Jason Picton wrote: > restore. I love my Savage after I made a few modifications (slip-on > exhaust, and new handlebars), but aftermarket parts are hard to find. > The Savage is good bike, reasonable price (cheap), easy to maintain (1 > spark plug, 1 carb, belt driven, etc.), classic styling, but very hard > to modify (unless your are a motorcycle mechanic and can make homemade > modifications yourself). There aren't many manufacturers that make > specialized parts for it (No jet kits, cams, etc. made specifically for > the Savage). Jason,have you checked into using DR parts?I'd be willing to bet there were only a few mods made to the DR motor for use in the Savage.My Ascot had the same motor as the XL,only with electric start,a counterbalancer, and an auto cam chain tensioner.I think the only parts that couldn't be swapped between the two were for the balancer,airbox,and exhaust. Maybe you could even put one of those DR750 motors in your bike. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 20 23:50:45 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26241 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA10878; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:47:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:35:51 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: RE: Thieving' B*stards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <732aec11.362c970a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > sorry about your bike!!!! and in my own bike's defense - did you have a disk > lock on it? and did they actually LIFT it (as in being unable to roll it) and > should I consider locking my bike TO something? A disk lock is nothing by itself.I had a friend who had his FZR6 stolen. He had a disk lock,a locked cover,and was parked on Ft Myer,all to no avail.I had another friend lose his CBR9 in '92(he had it for like a month) in Georgetown.He had a top-of-the-line alarm(Emgo,I think) with a pager.The thieves just picked the bike up(setting off the alarm) and stuffed it in the back of a truck.The pager didn't go off,and witnesses didn't care. The AMA did an article once about bike theft.They parked a Harley at a mall with just a fork lock.Then they went and 'stole' it with a van a few times.Noone who witnessed the 'thefts' said anything. The moral of all this is:lock your bike to something,and use multiple locks.Time is the biggest enemy of thieves.The longer it'll take them to get it,the better chance they'll pick another target.That's another sad fact:one of the best ways to keep your bike from being stolen is to make it harder to steal than someone else's.If you have multiple locks and are parked in a lot next to a bike with only the steering lock,your chances of keeping your bike go up. I didn't care about my Buell,but I'm paranoid about the Harley.It gets a disk lock on each end,plus I've got a cable. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 00:11:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26980 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25507 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08101 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id PSYa010441; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78ccd10a.362d5ccc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:02:20 EDT To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Wow... Nuf said about GWs I guess! Hey all, I'm not the instigator this time!! In fact, I disagree. I can forsee myself someday owning an older GW to go cross country with. But then, we all have preferences and should respect them. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 00:19:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27358 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25586 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08242 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id PIBHa04682; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6530a04b.362d6081@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:18:09 EDT To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm very willing to pick it up. I live an hour Northeast of D.C. so Winchester is kinda in my neck of the woods. All I have to do is find a free day on a weekend to pick it up and/or deliver it to its location. I'll even volunteer to clean it up! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 00:19:20 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27368 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:06:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Ray" , "TURNIP" , Subject: RE: Car towing ! Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:10:26 -0400 Message-ID: <022d01bdfca8$bb943700$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19981020205512.5095.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> No. Most of us into Wings are a bit more mature than to fall for the flame bait. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I believe Lead Sleds (GW's) are more suited to be a Garbage truck than > a tow truck. > Have I insulted any wingnuts? Then my mission here is complete. > (There are only two things I hate more than GW's: Volvos and Baltimore) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 00:37:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27891 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25680 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08627 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:34:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Garcia Oliver" Cc: "dc-cycle" Subject: RE: Starting sans button and key in correct position Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: <025801bdfcac$9d8bc800$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: This actually turned out to be the case, and seems very prone to happening on K bikes started with low battery voltage. But, if the voltage is low enough, the contacts don't stick permanently. A rap with a hammer gets them unstuck. But, sadly, dad and bro killed the battery low enough that it didn't come back to life. Replaced it Saturday. Acted like a squid shortly thereafter. Now I'm trying to convince the girlfriend that she needs to buy a sidecar so that we can take the Wing to work (found a Velorex hack, which is fairly inexpensive. She can't ride pillion because we found out the reason she is having so much trouble walking after her bike accident because of three hairline fractures in her pelvis. Guess who's glad we didn't sign the insurance release?! Oh, this reminds me: she doesn't want me to go to the party this weekend in a car, so she won't come. But, I'm willing to show up in the car (and can bring any stuff that needs a car to bring). But, I need the list's help. A simple email message to: aorlando@XXXXXX stating that it's okay to bring the cage and that you want to see Angie (and, to a lesser extent, me:) this weekend would be helpful. I told her I'd get y'all to spam her mailbox in the morning. Don't let me down:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > > Most likely, the solenoid is stuck ON. Did he run the starter for more > than a few seconds at a time? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 01:15:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29448 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25811 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09154 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:13:01 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Car towing ! Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:16:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdfcb2$06235900$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <78ccd10a.362d5ccc@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 If you like the old Wings (1000, 1100, 1200) you should check out the new Valkyrie Interstate. I can definately see one in my garage someday. Much nicer than the GL1500. In a HD TourGlide sorta way:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [mailto:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 12:02 AM > To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Car towing ! > > > Wow... Nuf said about GWs I guess! Hey all, I'm not the > instigator this time!! > In fact, I disagree. I can forsee myself someday owning an older GW to go > cross country with. But then, we all have preferences and should > respect them. > :) > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 07:09:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13880 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27012 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (known idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13242 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3.loudoun.com (external-modem-3-254.loudoun.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.2.1998.05.04.15.32) with SMTP id <0F1600DFPCB5PA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:08:36 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: Gary Foreman Message-id: <001c01bdfce3$46dff4e0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Priority: 3 I'll try to get it this weekend, and we'll shoot for sometime in the next few weeks. -----Original Message----- From: NJitzul@XXXXXX To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 12:28 AM Subject: Re: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? >I'm very willing to pick it up. I live an hour Northeast of D.C. so Winchester >is kinda in my neck of the woods. All I have to do is find a free day on a >weekend to pick it up and/or deliver it to its location. I'll even volunteer >to clean it up! > >Robert VanSlyke >83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 08:36:51 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17254 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A55D78001E0; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:36:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981021080336.00ff7a00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:06:11 -0400 To: aorlando@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Permission Slip for George Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Angie, Please let George come out and play on Saturday, even if he has to drive a vehicle with too many wheels. We encourage you to come too, and bring the tranquilizer gun, just in case George gets out of control. see you Saturday, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 08:55:47 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17755 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24516; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:57:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A47@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: aorlando@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:57:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, what he said... come out and join us...It should be a great time...My wife is coming in the truck, so you guys won't be the only ones on 4 wheels.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:43 AM > To: aorlando@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Permission Slip for George > > Dear Angie, > > Please let George come out and play on Saturday, even if he has to drive a > vehicle with too many wheels. We encourage you to come too, and bring the > tranquilizer gun, just in case George gets out of control. > > see you Saturday, > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:02:35 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18134 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AB6680201E0; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:02:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981021090650.00faba60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:07:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Fwd: The other day at the stop light! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From Motolist, from the HSTA list ... >>Hey Guy's, >>The other day I went to the local religious book store where I saw a >>"Honk if you love Jesus" bumper sticker. I bought it and put it on the >back >>of the motorcycle and I'm really glad I did. What an uplifting experience >>followed. >> >>I was stopped at the light of a busy intersection...just lost in >>thought about this wonderful motorcycle I drive, and didn't notice that >the >>light had changed. >> >>That bumper sticker really worked! I found lots of people who love Jesus! >>Why, the guy behind me started to honk like crazy. He must really >>love the Lord because he leaned out his window and yelled, "Jesus >>Christ!!" as loud as he could. It was like a football game with him >>shouting, "Go, Jesus Christ, Go!" >> >>Everyone else started honking too, so I leaned over and waved >>and smiled to all those loving people. >> >>There must have been a guy from Florida, or Calif. back there because I >>could hear him yelling something about sunny beachs, and I saw him waving >>in a funny way with only his middle finger stuck up in the air >>. >>I had recently asked my two grandsons what that meant. They kind of >>squirmed, looked at each other, giggled and told me that it was the >Hawaiian >>good-luck sign, so I turned around and gave him the good-luck sign back. >>A couple of the people were so caught up in the joy of the >>moment that they got out of their cars and were walking toward me. >> >>I bet they were wanting to pray, but just then I noticed that the light >had >>changed, and I twisted the 'ol throttle. It's a good thing I did, because >I >>was the only vehicle to get across the intersection. I looked back at >them >>standing there. >> >>I turned around once more, and gave them all a big smile, and held up the >>Hawaiian Good-Luck sign as I drove away. >> >>Praise the Lord for such wonderful folks! > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:07:50 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18485 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zVxzN-0007WW-00; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:07:45 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:06:43 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DAEC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Fagan, Collin LTJG'" , aorlando@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:06:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Looks like if Tom's better (crossing fingers) we'll definitely be on four wheels, as well! He just got over pneumonia & is still fighting bad, bad asthma. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:57 AM > To: aorlando@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George > > Yeah, what he said... come out and join us...It should be a great > time...My > wife is coming in the truck, so you guys won't be the only ones on 4 > wheels.. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:08:09 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18495 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA06673 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566A4.006E934A ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:07:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566A4.00480C22.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:07:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Questions about singles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I probably would be satisfied with the Enfield, and that only has 22 HP (though I'm sure I can do better than that)...right now I'm looking at one of those as a "putting-around-town" bike, and maybe a 71 Triumph Bonneville 650 as well. Either way I will have a new bike soon :-) Although I really like the looks of the GB, I think I'll wait to find one in this area, and at a reduced price, over the next few years. At least I know what to look for, though. Thanks again to everyone on this list who answered my single questions! If I get this Triumph (knock on wood) I'll be in for a share of the tire changer, if any are still available! :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Questions about singles On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Matthew J. Bennett wrote: > it. To tell you the truth, the bike was underwhelming. Relatively nimble, > but for a 500cc single I expected a *lot* more. It seemed to be tuned for > high-rpm running, with none of the low-RPM arm yanking pull that singles > usually have. Sounds like my Ascot.The reason the bike didn't seem to have the oomph of most singles is that thumpers are usually DP bikes.Big difference between a 300lbs DP and a 385lbs street bike when you only have 30-40 ponies to play with. > The prices around here run between $3500 and $4000. They > were only made in 90 and 91 (I think) and there were only 500s. The 650 > engine modification is common, but it is aftermarket- pretty much dropping > a honda 650 dirt-bike engine into it. Yep,there was only the 500. > What I hear is that you can give a GB satisfying arm-yanking power, but > only at great expense- $1000 to $2000 in engine work and exhaust. Oh yeah.Lots of XR/XL(Honda not Harley) hop up parts out there.And you can get serious power out of a thumper._CW_ had an article on a pair of hopped up SRX's once.The one would run 1/4 miles in the 12.0 sec range (at the time 600 Hurricanes were only a couple tenths quicker). > If you do start looking for one, be prepared to travel, though you might > want to beg or borrow a ride on one before you invest serious time and money > in a search. Join the Thumper list (I'm not really sure where it is, but > you should be able to find it with altavista), keep your eyes and ears open, > spread the word at various bike shops and be very patient. Good Luck! I think that if he'd be happy with an Enfield,he'd love a GB.And it doesn't take much to pep one up.My Ascot had a Mikuni carb and SupperTrapp slip on and it moved pretty good.In fact,I think the SuperTrapp might still be laying around my dad's garage somewhere(I put the stock pipe back on when I sold it cause dad wanted the Trapp for his XL) if anyone's interested. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:36:54 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19504 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id JAA10857; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:36:49 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id JAA20182; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:36:48 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DAEC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does any one have a sidecar rig that they could bring George's SO to the gathering in? Hugh A. Caldwell From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:39:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19521 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27506 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15959 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR4A78A4; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:38:58 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! Message-ID: <19981020.234412.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <5944be76.362c1610@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,5-8,11-19 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:38:58 EDT On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:48:16 EDT NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: >I can see it now.... right after the Tractor pull, they'll have Bike Pulls!! I'll never be able >to ride in town again. Sheeesh. Yeah, I can just here the Billy Bigvoice radio announcer guy trying to peddle the show: SUNDAY! SUNDAY!! SUNDAY!!! RACE FANS! HOT RODDERS!!!! COME ONE, COME ALL! SEE ALL THE AMAZING FIRE BREATHING, TIRE SHREDDING ACTION AS THE INCREDIBLE MONSTERBIKE, `BIGWING' TAKES ON ALL COMERS THIS WEEKEND AT BUTT SCRATCH RACEWAY IN BUTT SCRATCH, MARYLAND!!! BE THERE!!! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:39:31 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19520 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR4A779G; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:38:58 EDT To: rdrdr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! Message-ID: <19981020.234412.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <362C240E.7663@erols.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-12 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:38:58 EDT On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:47:58 -0700 rdrdr@XXXXXX writes: >I've towed a chevy Cavalier out of deep water (just under the the door >handles) in Baja last summer...with my DR650. GTFOH! (Get out of here!) I would love to have seen that. I wouldn't think things like that were possible. And I wouldn't try it with my own bike if you paid me. You da man! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:39:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19535 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27509 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15967 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR4A78C2; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:38:58 EDT To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thieving' B*stards Message-ID: <19981020.234412.5271.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <01F30362C908A004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@mhs> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:38:58 EDT I know I'm a little late to chime in, but I was sorry to see that your bike was stolen. While the very nice officer (not!) is probably right when he says your bike is well parted out by now, he may be wrong, so don't lose all hope. On the other hand, make sure you get what you can from your insurance company. That's why you pay a gazillion dollars to them... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:47:57 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19945 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR4BP5EA; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:47:40 EDT To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: The other day at the stop light! Message-ID: <19981020.235251.5271.4.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981021090650.00faba60@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-9,11-14,18 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:47:40 EDT I think I've seen this guy (riding in the right lane several mph under the speed limit with his left blinker on continuously for blocks and blocks)! ;-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us \\\\\\/// | | (.) (.) ===oOOo==(_)==oOOo=== So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:07:19 -0400 Chris Norloff writes: >>From Motolist, from the HSTA list ... > >>>Hey Guy's, >>>The other day I went to the local religious book store where I saw a "Honk if you >>>love Jesus" bumper sticker. I bought it and put it on the back of the motorcycle >>>and I'm really glad I did. What an uplifting experience followed. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 09:54:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20317 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27583 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16338 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 331; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: <362DE7A3.BD607C33@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:54:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: NJitzul@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! References: <000001bdfcb2$06235900$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love it! However, I think the 1500 engine is way overkill. I've got a 2400cc Civic at home that gets 50+mpg, so why does the the GW/Valk engine suck so much gas? And no way I'm buying a bike with 6, count 'em, 6! carbs on the darned thing. 4 is bad enough. I really, really liked the older GoldWings, 1000, 1100, and 1200. This "bigger is better" nonsense has gotta end soon, or we'll all be riding Boss Hosses. George Howell wrote: > > If you like the old Wings (1000, 1100, 1200) you should check out the new > Valkyrie Interstate. I can definately see one in my garage someday. Much > nicer than the GL1500. In a HD TourGlide sorta way:) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 10:05:05 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20756 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 294; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:03:59 -0400 Message-ID: <362DEA08.3F206C17@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:04:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aorlando@XXXXXX CC: George Howell , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Don't miss the party References: <025801bdfcac$9d8bc800$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Angie, Hi! George says your not up to riding on a mo'sickle for a little while, but please don't let a little thing like showing up in a 4-wheeler at a bike party deter you and George from coming. We've all had to use the cages (otherwise known as Rain Bikes!) every now and then. George told us about your bicycle accident a while ago (was it a mini-van?, can't remember now), don't worry, you'll find a lot of kindred souls at Todd's party this weekend (none of us likes minivans! :) I sincerely hope you make it out to see us! Besides, I hear someone is bringing a pretty good lasagna! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 10:08:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20837 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27739 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16772 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 286; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:07:34 -0400 Message-ID: <362DEAE0.61298FDB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:08:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! References: <5944be76.362c1610@aol.com> <19981020.234412.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > Yeah, I can just here the Billy Bigvoice radio announcer guy trying to > peddle the show: > > SUNDAY! SUNDAY!! SUNDAY!!! > RACE FANS! HOT RODDERS!!!! COME ONE, COME ALL! > SEE ALL THE AMAZING FIRE BREATHING, TIRE SHREDDING ACTION AS THE > INCREDIBLE MONSTERBIKE, `BIGWING' TAKES ON ALL COMERS THIS WEEKEND AT > BUTT SCRATCH RACEWAY IN BUTT SCRATCH, MARYLAND!!! > BE THERE!!! Oh, but you forgot the clincher: TICKET PRICE IS FOR THE WHOLE SEAT, BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDDDDGGGE! :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 10:20:43 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21323 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ADB5430646; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:20:37 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981021102425.0100b100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:25:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Aggressive Drivers view traffic differently ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Summary of an interesting report from NHTSA studying attitudes of aggressive drivers, based on focus group studies from 1994 to 1997. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov:80/people/outreach/traftech/pub/tt175.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 10:25:15 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21607 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26180; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F1600ILRLDA8U@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:24:41 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:21:57 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Don't miss the party To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: DC Cycles List Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DDF4@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain >> I sincerely hope you make it out to see us! Besides, I >> hear someone is bringing a pretty good lasagna! :) [Horstman, Tracy L] I thought that the guy who was going to make the lasagna wasn't going to make the party??? ;-) Yes, do come even if it's in a car. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 10:41:16 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22136 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:41:06 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Oct 1998 10:40:51 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Oct 1998 10:40:51 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 001C5362DF27300C-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 001C5362DF27300C Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <001C5362DF27300C*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:40:51 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "Jon S." , DC Cycle Club Subject: LOJACK was RE: Thieving' B*stards Message-Id: <001C5362DF27300C*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I called LOJACK and they DO NOT make a model for motorcycles, but they said a model for motorcycles is under development at this time. So I guess your buddy gave you some bad info, unless the car unit can be used on bikes as well. -----Original Message----- From: Jon S. [SMTP:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] It's not the Lojack system that has to be adapted(it's small enough), but the police computers that aren't loaded with motorcycle information. Once Lojack is installed on a vehicle, it's part of the i.d.. Kinda neat, when the cops pull up a cars info., it lists it's vin, license, and if it has a lojack. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 10:42:12 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22212 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:41:57 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Oct 1998 10:40:56 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Oct 1998 10:40:56 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 001C5362DF278011-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 001C5362DF278011 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <001C5362DF278011*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:40:56 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: Dale Horstman , "aorlando@XXXXXX" cc: George Howell , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Don't miss the party Message-Id: <001C5362DF278011*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Yeah come on, go to the party, some of have to go by car (me) since I don't even own a bike anymore. :-( Don B. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 10:55:47 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22694 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5EEE6069C; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:55:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981021105827.0100d390@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:58:55 -0400 To: TURNIP , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George In-Reply-To: References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DAEC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:36 AM 10/21/98 , TURNIP wrote: > > Does any one have a sidecar rig that they could bring >George's SO to the gathering in? > > Hugh A. Caldwell Hmmmm ... well, yes, I do. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 10:57:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23039 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28034 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18144 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01712; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:56:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981021145620.CGRR649@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:56:20 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "George Howell" Cc: , , Subject: RE: Car towing ! Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bdfd02$c61ea160$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <362DE7A3.BD607C33@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I love it! However, I think the 1500 engine is > way overkill. I've got a 2400cc Civic at home that > gets 50+mpg, so why does the the GW/Valk engine suck so > much gas? And no way I'm buying a bike with 6, count 'em, > 6! carbs on the darned thing. 4 is bad enough. I imagine if you had 6 carbs on your civic YMMV. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 11:19:49 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23845 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 331 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:18:36 -0400 Message-ID: <362DFB85.74FD6760@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:19:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: [Fwd: Aerostich for sale] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2A6EAA11A845D7053083B787" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2A6EAA11A845D7053083B787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded from the COG list, if anyone is interested. Please reply to Tom Maloney, not me. Dale --------------2A6EAA11A845D7053083B787 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from moto.micapeak.com ([207.53.128.12]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 381 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:59:54 -0400 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA01037; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:50:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:50:50 -0700 Message-Id: <2FEDD005AC51D211ACBA00A0C9DD5B5C045200@MSGMRO531NTS.fmr.com> Errors-To: cog-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: Tom.Maloney@XXXXXX Originator: cog@XXXXXX Sender: cog@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: "Maloney, Tom" To: Concours Owners Group Subject: Aerostich for sale X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Concours Owners Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain >I'm going to buy a Aerostich Roadcrafter pant or the Darien pants. If you want more than just pants, I am selling my Aerostich Roadcrafter one piece suit. It is size 44R with legs shortened 2 inches, gray with black ballistics (nice match for an 86 :-). It was made in Feb. 98, I bought it from the original owner in late August and it works well, but am finding it just a bit small, esp. with more layers in the cold weather. I am still wearing it, but will be buying a 46 shortly. I am 5'9", 195 lbs. The suit would fit someone 5'6" - 5'7", 27-28 inch inseam, and who weighs a little less than me. I would prefer to sell it to someone in the northeast (I live in Rhode Island) to avoid the hassles of shipping. Price is $450 plus shipping. Feel free to forward this to non-wired friends. I'll be putting in the Concourier classifieds if I don't sell it online. tom --------------2A6EAA11A845D7053083B787-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 11:46:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24772 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28435 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20540 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WUFUa02301 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:41:45 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 10/21/98 9:45:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << Yeah, I can just here the Billy Bigvoice radio announcer guy trying to peddle the show: SUNDAY! SUNDAY!! SUNDAY!!! RACE FANS! HOT RODDERS!!!! COME ONE, COME ALL! SEE ALL THE AMAZING FIRE BREATHING, TIRE SHREDDING ACTION AS THE INCREDIBLE MONSTERBIKE, `BIGWING' TAKES ON ALL COMERS THIS WEEKEND AT BUTT SCRATCH RACEWAY IN BUTT SCRATCH, MARYLAND!!! BE THERE!!! >> HAHAHA.....and I knew EXACTLY the voice you were talking about instantly. That guy is soooo annoying. Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 11:50:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24859 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28522 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20673 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR4JPW9N; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:49:53 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! Message-ID: <19981021.015515.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <5944be76.362c1610@aol.com> <19981020.234412.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> <362DEAE0.61298FDB@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:49:53 EDT On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:08:32 -0400 Dale Horstman writes: >Oh, but you forgot the clincher: > >TICKET PRICE IS FOR THE WHOLE SEAT, BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE >EDDDDGGGE! Touchè! :-) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 11:52:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25142 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28536 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20725 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WEDIa10655 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <98fb968f.362e0224@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:47:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wings... was Re: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I like the older GWs more from a cost and simplicity standpoint. I'd like something I can afford, and something I can work on. :) I'm also very unsure of exactly how much weight my bad knee can hold and don't want to risk dropping a bike cause it's too heavy. Someday (like maybe once I'm outa school) I'll have enough free time to do come cross-country riding and will seek a GW to supply my needs. Til then, it's just another dream bike. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 XX GoldWing? :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 11:58:10 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25229 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:57:05 -0400 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F039@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Aggressive Drivers view traffic differently ... Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:58:19 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA..... Imagine something like this coming from the NHTSA. I can see the questionnaire now: " Have you ever, instead of just sitting behind a vehicle that was going too slowly in the left lane, reasonably, safely and legally maneuvered out from behind it? If so, answer the questions in the Aggressive Driver section, you rabid, raving lunatic. Otherwise, answer the questions in the high-moral-ground Normal Driver section, and God bless you. If you don't agree to be characterized as normal or aggressive, either get with the program or give us back our questionnaire that we might burn it, and get thee from this holy place thou unclean. " Not to make the heretic alarm go off down at NHTSA HQ, but whither NHTSA in areas where the culture is to not use the left lane unless necessary, and to move out of it if someone wants to go by? Ya know, sharing, being socially responsible, little stuff like that. Oops, too late, the alarm went off. Well, since the alarm is clanging anyway, how is it that what bothers aggressive drivers seems to bother normal drivers, often in nearly the same proportion? So aggressive equates to reaction, no matter what the reaction? Um, how about "the results indicate that we ought to move more focus to the irritant, rather than continuing to focus solely on the irritated"? Do the irritants ever drive aggressively? If not, is NHTSA saying that being an irritant puts one in the "normal" class of drivers? Tom M. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 10:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Aggressive Drivers view traffic differently ... Summary of an interesting report from NHTSA studying attitudes of aggressive drivers, based on focus group studies from 1994 to 1997. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov:80/people/outreach/traftech/pub/tt175.html Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 12:03:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25552 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28627 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21061 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:03:28 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RVAUa02301; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:40:58 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 LOL.... that's about the way it is out here in Frederick! People here are also very quick to assume. The local gas station attendant usually calls over the intercom that the pump is on and says the specific vehicle. Well, apparently they couldn't tell what my bike was, so they said "Nice Hog." Aaaaaagh!!!! As it is, the biggest event at the recent "Great Frederick Fair" was the tractor pull, so the thought of bike pulls is very possible. =8^O Rob From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 12:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25632 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id MAA01014; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:08:03 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id MAA26305; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981021105827.0100d390@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 09:36 AM 10/21/98 , TURNIP wrote: > > > > Does any one have a sidecar rig that they could bring > >George's SO to the gathering in? > > > > Hugh A. Caldwell > > > Hmmmm ... well, yes, I do. > > Chris Norloff > > Well if you're willing to pick her up and she is willing to ride with you it would seem like we've arrived at a solution to our dilemma. Hugh A. Caldwell From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 12:25:57 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26415 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:25:00 -0400 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F03A@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Salutations and the Fedimal Gummint Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:26:14 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Fred, The General Services Administration recently established a new office to oversee efforts to protect critical infrastructure in the federal government, and they named the office the Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office (CIAO). I'll never be able to read one of your posts the same again. Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office, Tom M. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 12:36:25 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26895 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup43.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F1600KVVRFJET@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:35:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:31:32 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: LOJACK was RE: Thieving' B*stards To: "Burger, Donald " , DC Cycle Club Message-id: <005c01bdfd29$69b814c0$eb4c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >I called LOJACK and they DO NOT make a model for motorcycles, but they >said a model for motorcycles is under development at this time. So I >guess your buddy gave you some bad info, unless the car unit can be used >on bikes as well. Donald, I think you read my message wrong. I said that there are currently NO Lojack systems for bikes in Maryland/VA/DC. I said that I was told that they will have one soon, but not yet. Sorry for the misunderstanding....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 12:38:34 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26915 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA11874; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:37:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv11-81.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.81) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011843; Wed Oct 21 11:37:31 1998 Message-ID: <362E0DAB.E119D686@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:37:00 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcycle Online had a short remark on the new Kawasaki ZRX 1100, shown this weekend at the Kawasaki dealers show supposedly for only $7199.00. Unfortunately they did not have any pics available. If this is the same bike that had some photos flying around a couple months ago, it sounds nice, I liked the look of the small partial fairing etc. Hope they did not cheapen it up too much. anyone seen any articles or web pages on it yet? -- Ken HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 13:14:11 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28195 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 346; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: <362E1656.414742CF@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:13:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Shephard , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 References: <362E0DAB.E119D686@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken Shephard wrote: > > Motorcycle Online had a short remark on the new Kawasaki ZRX 1100, > shown this weekend at the Kawasaki dealers show supposedly for only > $7199.00. it sounds nice, I liked the look of the small > partial fairing etc. I've heard about it, too, can't remember where I saw a pic of it though. Sort of Kawasaki's answer to the Bandit, although it's more or less a re-done Zephyr, which somehow didn't sell too well here in the States. :( Too bad it'll probably never show up with a shaft drive, or I'd ditch the Concours in a heartbeat and buy one. Less plastic to mess with, you know. :) I'm all for encouraging new motorcycle models, choice is good! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 13:26:49 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28683 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 131 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:25:43 -0400 Message-ID: <362E1950.2E8F90D9@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:26:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: random thoughts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny story, Tracy went out last night to CPS, bought herself some nice all-season gloves, since her hands were getting cold with her summer gloves. We both rode in to work this morning. So after I get to work this, rosy cheeked and mildly chilled, I call her up and ask her how the new gloves worked out. She says, "it wasn't cold enough for them this morning, so I wore the old ones!" Tough lady, that wife of mine! I'm probably gonna keep the shorty windshield on the Concours all winter, I just can't stand the noise the tall ones make. I've experimented with crouching down behind them at speed, but to make me happy, I'd have to end up looking through the top of one, and I can't hack that. And then I wouldn't get enough airflow through my helmet anyway, and my faceshield and glasses would fog up something fierce. Guess I'll be toughing it out in the breeze again this year. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 13:27:31 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28765 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WCWa013872; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ebfdde2.362e1839@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:22:01 EDT To: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Salutations and the Fedimal Gummint Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/21/98 12:32:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merscht@XXXXXX writes: << Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office (CIAO). >> You are kidding I hope? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 13:36:56 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29204 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA17745; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:36:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv10-42.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.170) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017601; Wed Oct 21 12:35:17 1998 Message-ID: <362E1B35.88C6DB41@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:34:46 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 References: <362E0DAB.E119D686@ix.netcom.com> <362E1656.414742CF@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I bet the thing will fly too.;).. Yeah I saw a picture of a preproduction version in the spring that really looked nice. Just hoping the production version looks as good. I guess I will try and put it on the ftp site. Set of soft bags and your set, but sorry its definitely chain drive....Havent had a chain drive bike since 1983 hehe... Dale Horstman wrote: > > I've heard about it, too, can't remember where I saw a pic of > it though. Sort of Kawasaki's answer to the Bandit, although > it's more or less a re-done Zephyr, which somehow didn't sell > too well here in the States. :( > > Too bad it'll probably never show up with a shaft drive, or > I'd ditch the Concours in a heartbeat and buy one. Less plastic > to mess with, you know. :) > > I'm all for encouraging new motorcycle models, choice is good! > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Ken HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 13:42:07 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29552 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:42:32 -0400 Message-ID: <36E76EA04A46D211ACD900204804F0CC99F03B@rbmail101.chamb.disa.mil> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Salutations and the Fedimal Gummint Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:42:27 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nope. If you get Federal Computer Week (web: www.fcw.com and select "More breaking news"), go to the Policy & Procurement section of the October 19 issue (pg 10), article by Heather Harreld bannered "Deadline set for security plans" (web title: ...GSA to lead...) -----Original Message----- From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 1:22 PM To: merscht@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Salutations and the Fedimal Gummint In a message dated 10/21/98 12:32:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merscht@XXXXXX writes: << Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office (CIAO). >> You are kidding I hope? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 13:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29592 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8IYa004680; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77684679.362e18b6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:24:06 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX, shephar1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/21/98 1:21:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << I've heard about it, too, can't remember where I saw a pic of it though. >> They have a blurb about it in this months Cycle World, Cycle, or Motorcyclist can't remember which. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 13:49:38 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29643 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA19354; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:48:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv10-42.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.170) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019327; Wed Oct 21 12:48:35 1998 Message-ID: <362E1E55.B5905607@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:48:05 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: New ZXR 1100 photo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found an older photo, its on the ftp site. Hope the production one is the same. I love this time of year when the new bikes start trickling out ;) ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/ -- Ken HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 13:50:33 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29806 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18146; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.187.136.56]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F16004YPUVQOE@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:51:16 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:47:28 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: random thoughts To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DDFE@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain > Funny story, Tracy went out last night to CPS, bought herself > some nice all-season gloves, since her hands were getting cold with > her summer gloves. We both rode in to work this morning. So after I > get to work this, rosy cheeked and mildly chilled, I call her up and ask > her how the new gloves worked out. She says, "it wasn't cold enough for > them this morning, so I wore the old ones!" Tough lady, that wife of > mine! > > [Horstman, Tracy L] To clarify - wasn't CPS it was Manassas Honda. A lot of nice ladies gloves there. Had a hard time picking out what I wanted From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 14:16:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01059 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29554 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.worldbank.org (known smtp01.worldbank.org [138.220.3.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27576 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:16:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01J38DLT96YQ99EMNL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:26:44 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v1.2 hotfix5 (695.1 8-14-1998)) id 852566A4.005A9D43 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:29:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:28:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Car towing ! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566A4.005A5228.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK I just had a gas station attendant in Gaithersburg ask me if my Concours was a Norton. He did like it, though... ;^) Perry NJitzul@XXXXXX on 10/21/98 11:40:58 AM To: Bike.Dealer@XXXXXX cc: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! LOL.... that's about the way it is out here in Frederick! People here are also very quick to assume. The local gas station attendant usually calls over the intercom that the pump is on and says the specific vehicle. Well, apparently they couldn't tell what my bike was, so they said "Nice Hog." Aaaaaagh!!!! As it is, the biggest event at the recent "Great Frederick Fair" was the tractor pull, so the thought of bike pulls is very possible. =8^O Rob From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 14:39:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01952 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29705 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28535 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id CYPEa02301; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:37:36 EDT To: Pcoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/21/98 2:22:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Pcoleman@XXXXXX writes: << I just had a gas station attendant in Gaithersburg ask me if my Concours was a Norton. >> That is an amazing story, absolutely no resemblance I can assure you. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 14:42:00 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01987 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WVADa02329; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1061ad9d.362e2971@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:35:29 EDT To: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Salutations and the Fedimal Gummint Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, ciao in Italian means hi and goodbye, guess the FEDS don't know if they are coming or going. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 15:22:19 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03720 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR4WS49N; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:21:21 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: random thoughts Message-ID: <19981021.045641.8183.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <362E1950.2E8F90D9@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-7,9-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:21:21 EDT On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:26:40 -0400 Dale Horstman writes: >Guess I'll be toughing it out in the breeze again this year. :) Is the breeze over the Concours a bad one? I had always thought the Concours was a smoothie through the wind. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 15:24:40 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03730 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR4WS47B; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:21:21 EDT To: shephar1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Message-ID: <19981021.045641.8183.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <362E0DAB.E119D686@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,16-19,21-22 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:21:21 EDT I have a copy of the brochure for the ZRX1100 on my desk. Generally speaking, it's a detuned ZX11 motor in a frame that appears very Zephyr-like. It does look very much like Eddie Lawson's old bike, including the little bikini fairing. It only comes in Lawson's signature "green w/purple and white stripes" color scheme. It'll be a five-speed with triple discs, a 31-inch seat height (which the brochure calls "low," BTW), and tubeless tires. In my opinion (which no one asked for, but I'll be generous and hand it out for nothin'), this is a bike that people will come to see, walk around it and say something noncommittal like, "Pretty cool," and then move on. Some guys will probably buy them, of course, but not very many. Those that do buy it will probably be guys who followed Eddie Lawson's career when they were younger, but maybe couldn't have afforded a big cc bike back then. Now they're older, in a higher tax bracket, and want to have what they couldn't have before. Lots of "older, former riders returning to the sport", in other words. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 15:31:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04140 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00175 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01371 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR4XC938; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:31:15 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! Message-ID: <19981021.050648.8183.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:31:15 EDT Re:> I just had a gas station attendant in Gaithersburg ask me if my Concours > was a Norton. I'd have been tempted to say, "Yeah, it's the new 8 cylinder Nemesis..." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 15:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04160 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 423; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:32:10 -0400 Message-ID: <362E36F4.EFD940A8@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:33:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: random thoughts References: <362E1950.2E8F90D9@tidalwave.net> <19981021.045641.8183.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:26:40 -0400 Dale Horstman writes: > >Guess I'll be toughing it out in the breeze again this year. :) > > Is the breeze over the Concours a bad one? I had always thought the > Concours was a smoothie through the wind. Depends, I guess. If I was shorter, or at least not so damn long- waisted, a tall shield would be fine. Note that the stock shield was ridiculous, it looked nice, but at speed, the wind swirled around backwards, pushing on the back of my helmet. I guess they spent very little time in the wind tunnel with that design. Imagine riding down the highway, wearing a tie (I said imagine, even I don't have to wear ties anymore) and having it flap out straight in front of you, pointed in the direction you are going at 65+ mph, touching the stock shield! Weird, huh? :) I guess I've spent too much time on "nekkid" bikes, with no plastic, so I know how quiet the wind "should be" at speed. For me, the Connie ain't right unless I put a really, really short windshield on it. Now it looks like a Ninja with saddlebags. I guess I can live with it. :) > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for > that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." > -- an unnamed WSB team manager > Heh, heh, I was an Aerospace Engineer before I grew up and started playing with computers.... :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 15:45:49 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04652 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 216; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:44:30 -0400 Message-ID: <362E39D8.19DBF6DD@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:45:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: shephar1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 References: <362E0DAB.E119D686@ix.netcom.com> <19981021.045641.8183.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > I have a copy of the brochure for the ZRX1100 on my desk. > In my opinion (which no one asked for, but I'll be generous and hand it > out for nothin'), this is a bike that people will come to see, walk > around it and say something noncommittal like, "Pretty cool," and then > move on. Some guys will probably buy them, of course, but not very many. And generally, that's what happened with the Zephyr, too. Great bike. But without a niche. The sporty guys look at the upright seating position and laugh. The touring guys look at the chain drive and small fairing and walk away. The musclebike guys look long and hard, (actually, I don't know what musclebike guys think!, but I know a guy with a Zephyr1100, and the guy basically made a street legal drag bike out of it. Me, I guess I fall in with the touring guys nowadays. I used to ride a '78 KZ1000 LTD, a great bike. But it got old and fragile and couldn't handle the daily pounding I was giving it (electrics, mostly, but lubing the chain every week was a royal pain, too). I really, really wanted a big shaft-drive standard, but no-one made them anymore. And it appears they still aren't. Sigh. So I settled for a Concours. It's not a perfect fit for me, either, but it's not bad, and I'm gonna ride it until someone makes what I want. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 15:49:18 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04672 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 343; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:48:12 -0400 Message-ID: <362E3AB6.7A3BE99A@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:49:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 References: <362E0DAB.E119D686@ix.netcom.com> <19981021.045641.8183.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > It'll be a 31-inch seat height (which the brochure calls "low," > BTW) 31 inches is low? Try telling that to my wife! Hmm, the ZRX would be a cool bike for the little lady, I might even let her ride it now and then... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 17:12:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08357 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01183 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.worldbank.org (known smtp02.worldbank.org [138.220.3.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05794 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01J38KWUSC3498663F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:55:34 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v1.2 hotfix5 (695.1 8-14-1998)) id 852566A4.006DC7AC ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:59:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:58:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Car towing ! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Boiade@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX (bikes r us) Message-id: <852566A4.006D70A7.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK It's amazing the "guesses" I get pertaining to the bike and it's displacement and number of cylinders. I even had one guy ask me if it was a 250. He looked shell-shocked, when I said it was a 1000. I try to be nice to them... ;^) Perry bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) on 10/21/98 03:31:15 PM To: Boiade@XXXXXX cc: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! Re:> I just had a gas station attendant in Gaithersburg ask me if my Concours > was a Norton. I'd have been tempted to say, "Yeah, it's the new 8 cylinder Nemesis..." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 17:38:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09207 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01480 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06856 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 ([131.7.252.171]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA02906; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: <362E53C5.776D3DE3@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:36:05 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pcoleman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car towing ! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <852566A4.006D70A7.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pcoleman@XXXXXX wrote: > > It's amazing the "guesses" I get pertaining to the bike and it's > displacement and number of cylinders. I even had one guy ask me if it was a > 250. He looked shell-shocked, when I said it was a 1000. > > I try to be nice to them... ;^) They get the same shocked look if they guess 1000 and you tell them it's a 250. :-) -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 19:01:42 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12556 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:58:46 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "TURNIP" , Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:02:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdfd46$efd825a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Actually, I'm trying to convince her to buy a hack for the Goldwing. So far, she hasn't bitten. But, if anybody brings an outfit to the party, I'll be sure to secretly pack Angie's gear in the trunk of the car so she can try it out. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: TURNIP [mailto:Turnip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 9:37 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George > > > > Does any one have a sidecar rig that they could bring > George's SO to the gathering in? > > Hugh A. Caldwell > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 19:34:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13787 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02061 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09642 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:34:21 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WYVYa02317 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:32:39 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Another great lean pic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 http://home.neo.lrun.com/bgrundy/rsv1000.jpg Heres another one... Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 22:20:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20255 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02816 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13210 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([128.126.170.56]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 381; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:19:48 -0400 Message-ID: <362E972F.7FC05DD0@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:23:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pcoleman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Boiade@XXXXXX, bikes r us Subject: Re: Car towing ! References: <852566A4.006D70A7.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had someone tell me what a nice looking ZX-6 I had once. Some people. Sheesh. The Concours gets no respect. Well, at least he got the manufacturer right. Horkster Pcoleman@XXXXXX wrote: > > It's amazing the "guesses" I get pertaining to the bike and it's > displacement and number of cylinders. I even had one guy ask me if it was a > 250. He looked shell-shocked, when I said it was a 1000. > > I try to be nice to them... ;^) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 22:58:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21783 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03040 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13929 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr51-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F17005Y8K8LM5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 02:57:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:53:42 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Another great lean pic To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000901bdfd80$56213520$874f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >http://home.neo.lrun.com/bgrundy/rsv1000.jpg > >Heres another one... > >Jack Holy bejezus!!!! Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 23:26:41 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22799 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:23:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Bikes R Us" Cc: , , "COG" Subject: RE: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:28:01 -0400 Message-ID: <006701bdfd6b$f9125c60$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <362E39D8.19DBF6DD@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Me, I guess I fall in with the touring guys nowadays. I used to > ride a '78 KZ1000 LTD, a great bike. But it got old and fragile > and couldn't handle the daily pounding I was giving it (electrics, > mostly, but lubing the chain every week was a royal pain, too). Admit it: the real reason you got rid of the KZ was because you couldn't decide whether you wanted to be Ponch or Jon. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 23:26:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22788 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03118 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14366 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:23:46 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Wings... was Re: Car towing ! Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:27:56 -0400 Message-ID: <006401bdfd6b$f5e51140$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98fb968f.362e0224@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Make your dream a reality. Careful shopping and a willingness to ride an UGLY bike can net you a fully faired, $1000 Wing. (I think Chris might have seen it at the BMWBMW meeting) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [mailto:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 11:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Wings... was Re: Car towing ! > > > I like the older GWs more from a cost and simplicity standpoint. I'd like > something I can afford, and something I can work on. :) I'm also > very unsure > of exactly how much weight my bad knee can hold and don't want to risk > dropping a bike cause it's too heavy. Someday (like maybe once I'm outa > school) I'll have enough free time to do come cross-country > riding and will > seek a GW to supply my needs. Til then, it's just another dream bike. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > XX GoldWing? :) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 23:26:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22777 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03115 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14362 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:23:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: thanks for the spam Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:27:55 -0400 Message-ID: <006301bdfd6b$f53d3880$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Thanks to everyone who mailed to Angie. She's not exactly thrilled, but I think she's finally figured out that she's going to the party, even if I have to tie her to the ski rack:) Now, what should I bring to dine on? (And no, I don't do lasagna:) Oh, BTW, guess how much damage a 110 lb female on a bicycle (20 lbs??) can do to a Mercury Villager minivan? No more than $300-$400, right? Wrong. Allstate would like us to pony up $1500 (which, curiously enough means they want not only what they paid, but the DEDUCTIBLE that their client paid!!) Luckily, they already agreed to pay Angie's medical bills. Unfortunately, I couldn't get anybody at Allstate on the phone this afternoon. Can't wait till tomorrow. I love tearing minor functionaries a new one. :) But, if my mom needs some cheering up, maybe I'll let her do it (she likes belittling people almost as much as I do.) Anyway, thanks again. And Chris, even if you don't bring the hack on Saturday, I think Angie would like to try one out someday before we buy one for the Wing. If you could help out with this sometime.... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 23:26:34 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22785 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:23:48 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "TURNIP" , Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: <006501bdfd6b$f6c86c60$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Actually, I could even let Chris take the KRS to the party, so he wouldn't be bikeless, if he would rather I drove Angie to the party. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: TURNIP [mailto:Turnip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 12:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Permission Slip for George > > > > > On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > > > At 09:36 AM 10/21/98 , TURNIP wrote: > > > > > > Does any one have a sidecar rig that they could bring > > >George's SO to the gathering in? > > > > > > Hugh A. Caldwell > > > > > > Hmmmm ... well, yes, I do. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > Well if you're willing to pick her up and she is willing > to ride with you it would seem like we've arrived at a solution > to our dilemma. > > Hugh A. Caldwell > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 21 23:26:36 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22790 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:23:50 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:27:59 -0400 Message-ID: <006601bdfd6b$f7fe2d40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19981021.045641.8183.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I have a copy of the brochure for the ZRX1100 on my desk. Generally > speaking, it's a detuned ZX11 motor in a frame that appears very > Zephyr-like. So far, so good. > It does look very much like Eddie Lawson's old bike, > including the little bikini fairing. Getting better... > It only comes in Lawson's signature > "green w/purple and white stripes" color scheme. Even better. The brighter, the better. > It'll be a five-speed I can't count to six. > a 31-inch seat height (which the brochure calls "low," > BTW), Depends on your POV and the suspension and width of seat. Personally, any seat less than about 33 inches seems a bit off for me. And those 36 inch DP seat heights compress quite a bit when you throw some weight on 'em. > and tubeless tires. Will the modern ideas never stop? > In my opinion (which no one asked for, but I'll be generous and hand it > out for nothin'), I do love getting my money's worth ;) > this is a bike that people will come to see, walk > around it and say something noncommittal like, "Pretty cool," and then > move on. Most people. Squids and RUBs. Which means for those of us with eccentric tastes, we better get it quick. > Some guys will probably buy them, of course, but not very many. And rather than accept a profit on each one sold, they'll bag it in 2-3 years. > Those that do buy it will probably be guys who followed Eddie Lawson's > career when they were younger, but maybe couldn't have afforded a big cc > bike back then. Now they're older, in a higher tax bracket, and want to > have what they couldn't have before. Lots of "older, former riders > returning to the sport", in other words. And a few of us who appreciate a little thing called mid-range. Maybe it's too many BMWs (and a ragged out Honda:), but I just hate shifting:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 00:27:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25145 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04004 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15561 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7KOKa03785; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6173601a.362eb3f0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:26:24 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Wings... was Re: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, I've seen some early '80s Wings advertised for around $2k and I know I can afford that. After I finish school and get a more permanent job (next May!! ;) then I will start seriously looking at Wings and other bikes. I love my Shadow and plan on keeping it... especially since I just found out it was made during the first year of the Shadow! Maybe I'll go for a first year Wing. :) Nothing quite like riding history! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 00:29:03 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25155 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04007 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15587 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:26:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Wings... was Re: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: <009f01bdfd74$b1640e00$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6173601a.362eb3f0@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Bonus part on the first year wing: a kickstarter!! ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Maybe I'll go for a > first year Wing. > :) Nothing quite like riding history! > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 00:41:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25551 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04042 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15771 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:41:34 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7XPKa04680; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <132a2507.362eb6b8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:38:16 EDT To: fj1100@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Going Ficheing.... wasRe: Does dc-cycles want a Microfiche reader? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Cool. I may be able to pick it up on Nov 1st or almost any weekend after that. Keep me informed, okay? If you feel you need to call, let me know and I'll give you my # offlist. I'm tricky to get in touch with during the week, but weekends I'm usually near a phone. BTW, has anyone decided where this is going? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 00:47:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25937 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04055 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15817 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:47:36 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7ECOa03785; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61736021.362eb8c5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:47:01 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I saw the new Valkyrie Interstate and have mixed feelings. One of my biggest dreads is trying to synch 6 carbs! Why haven't they switched to Fuel Injection yet? Also, I'm leary of very heavy bikes. I haven't sat on anything heavier than 550lbs, but feel that anything over 700lbs dry is too much for me (though I could be wrong). The Valk Interstate does have nice looks, but then again, I like the looks of the "plain" Valkyrie. If it had the GWs electric reverse, I'd consider it more strongly, but for now it's just another "what if" bike. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" What's next? "The Shadow knows" (pardon the pun) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 07:25:18 1998 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (mberman@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12127 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA00159; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:25:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:25:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Bikes R Us cc: shephar1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 In-Reply-To: <19981021.045641.8183.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sounds an awful lot like a 95/96 GPz w/o as much plastic. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 07:58:24 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13385 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ADDC24E03DC; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:58:20 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981022074032.00fb0e90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:42:05 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Sign me up for the party In-Reply-To: <000801bdf842$ede54ec0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Looks like it'll be just me coming from my household to the party, Todd, so sign me up. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 07:58:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13388 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05473 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20343 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ADDE24E03DC; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:58:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981022074533.00fae9b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:48:28 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Wings... was Re: Car towing ! In-Reply-To: <006401bdfd6b$f5e51140$6e0000c0@demon> References: <98fb968f.362e0224@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:27 PM 10/21/98 , George Howell wrote: >Make your dream a reality. Careful shopping and a willingness to ride an >UGLY bike can net you a fully faired, $1000 Wing. (I think Chris might have >seen it at the BMWBMW meeting) Ugly, yeah, I guess. Functional, yes. Likely to get stolen, no. Likely to get your money out of it, yes. Sounds pretty good to me, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 08:20:28 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14285 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25086; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:21:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A50@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'George Howell'" , Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:21:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He he he..... Don't ever buy a Suzuki sport bike then :) You have to shift one of those almost as often as a small two stroke!! Not that you can do a lot in a parking lot, but I am gonna bring the race bike down to the parking lot activities on Saturday, so if ya want to swing a leg over it..... (don't worry, the bike is more or less all stock still, so it's nice and quiet) Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 7:45 AM > To: Bikes R Us; shephar1@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 > > And a few of us who appreciate a little thing called mid-range. Maybe it's > too many BMWs (and a ragged out Honda:), but I just hate shifting:) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 08:50:32 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15344 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810221250.IAA15344@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:50:23 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: shifting? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:39:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) shift.. huh?? what's that? I put it in 5th and go.. I just wish my VFR had a circular patern so it was easier to go from first to 6th/5th.. :) Brian > -----Original Message----- > > > And a few of us who appreciate a little thing called > mid-range. Maybe it's > > too many BMWs (and a ragged out Honda:), but I just hate shifting:) > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:25:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16705 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05802 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22150 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zWKjq-0004a0-00; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:25:14 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DB1B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My First Jump Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:23:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Last night going to school, my bike died on me (don't ask)... A woman stopped her car & came to help! : ) She told me she had a CBR & tried to help me pop-start it, but to no avail. Luckily, I was right outside the entrance to campus so I pushed the bike into a metro space. After class my 17-year-old sis & I jump-started my bike off her car. I am very proud. : ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:26:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16715 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05809 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22207 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA03916; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981022132550.JJLZ649@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:25:50 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: , , "bikes r us" Subject: RE: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:24:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdfdbf$4c7ec840$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <362E972F.7FC05DD0@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I sometimes mistake it for a BMW. Usually when I'm riding and usually from behind, which is to say not usually. :) > I had someone tell me what a nice looking ZX-6 I had once. > Some people. Sheesh. The Concours gets no respect. Well, > at least he got the manufacturer right. > > Horkster From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:36:31 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17161 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA12516; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981022133553.JMRE649@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:35:53 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Sign me up for the party Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:34:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdfdc0$b430ff20$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981022074032.00fb0e90@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Consider yourself 'signed up'. See you sat....T > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 7:42 AM > To: Todd Peer; DC-Cycles > Subject: Sign me up for the party > > > Looks like it'll be just me coming from my household to the > party, Todd, so > sign me up. > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:41:34 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17189 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981022134417.7288.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send103.yahoomail.com; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:44:17 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 93' Kawasaki 250 Ninja 9,000 miles... New Dunlop tires Mint Condition, real nice, must see to appreciate Black & Purple color scheme $1900 o.b.o. Has had all services done up to this point. == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:43:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17270 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05914 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (known mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22715 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25532 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F18002Z1E3X0R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:43:05 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:40:24 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: My First Jump To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DE0B@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain You didn't doubt you could do this, did you? You're one of the many strong women on this list who sees something that she can do and does it and continously is improving her abilities with regards to motorcycle repair and maintenance. WTG ! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:54:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17677 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05973 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23087 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:52:07 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , Subject: RE: Wings... was Re: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:56:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bdfdc3$c17bad80$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Some people think so. I know that if I were in the middle of... Kansas? North Dakota? I'd like to have a backup starter. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > lol... kickstarting is a bonus? > > Rob > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:54:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17674 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05970 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23080 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:52:06 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:56:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdfdc3$bfd99640$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <61736021.362eb8c5@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The wings had FI in the mid 80's on some select models. Sadly, because of the luddite MC community, the sales are no more. You'd be surprised how light a 700 lb. bike can feel. It's no Ducati, but it's also no HD. And things like reverse are what get you up to 700 lbs;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:56:57 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17978 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 353; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:55:29 -0400 Message-ID: <362F398C.B2C6030@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:56:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 References: <006701bdfd6b$f9125c60$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, that was easy, I was "Paunch"! Har, har! :) George Howell wrote: > Admit it: the real reason you got rid of the KZ was because you couldn't > decide whether you wanted to be Ponch or Jon. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD - Sold, but not forgotten! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 09:58:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18057 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05985 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23158 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:54:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:53:52 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline RE: Parking Lot Activities No fair! Collin's entering a race bike in the parking lot competition! I think we're going to have to have some class restrictions, Leon. :) Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He he he..... Don't ever buy a Suzuki sport bike then :) You have to shift one of those almost as often as a small two stroke!! Not that you can do a lot in a parking lot, but I am gonna bring the race bike down to the parking lot activities on Saturday, so if ya want to swing a leg over it..... (don't worry, the bike is more or less all stock still, so it's nice and quiet) Collin <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 10:03:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18134 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06026 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23315 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA08942; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981022140218.JVJM649@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:02:18 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: My First Jump Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:00:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdfdc4$645bd840$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DB1B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Oh, and we are so proud of you too dear (said with a small tear running down cheek...sniff). For those who need to jump start their bike from a car battery, make sure the car is NOT running. I've jumped my little VT500c with the car running and never had problems, but the potential for burning bike electronic components does exist. Just FYI. And, Jeannette, check your battery to see if it is degraded at all. A hydro test should do it. Todd > Last night going to school, my bike died on me (don't ask)... > A woman stopped her car & came to help! : ) She told me she had a CBR > & tried to help me pop-start it, but to no avail. > Luckily, I was right outside the entrance to campus so I pushed the bike > into a metro space. After class my 17-year-old sis & I jump-started my > bike off her car. I am very proud. : ) > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 10:12:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18562 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06132 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23694 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:12:11 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WHRHa04680 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3b8a1728.362f3d0d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:11:25 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 10/22/98 10:09:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MINEREG@XXXXXX writes: << No fair! Collin's entering a race bike in the parking lot competition! I think we're going to have to have some class restrictions, Leon. :) >> Im sure we could find a few wires to yank out. Thatll even it up a little more. I was thinking maybe those 4 wires that come out of the top of the motor. What do yall think? Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 10:23:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18965 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06237 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24104 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04772; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A54@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:24:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain As good as it sounds, I really don't think the race bike would be as competitive in the corner activities... It's just too unstable at that low a speed to get leaned over properly. Now if I get this darned EX put together before saturday, look out!! (I bought more parts the other day and I think I have everything now!!) Todd, you gonna have the new VF500 there? I managed to do real well on one of those little beasties!! CT > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:MINEREG@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:06 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities > > RE: Parking Lot Activities > > No fair! Collin's entering a race bike in the parking lot competition! I > think we're going to have to have some class > restrictions, Leon. :) > Sean Sullivan > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 10:35:00 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19389 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR6YQQWX; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:33:28 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: random thoughts Message-ID: <19981022.003713.5167.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <362E1950.2E8F90D9@tidalwave.net> <19981021.045641.8183.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,12-15,17-18 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:33:28 EDT >Imagine riding down the highway, wearing a tie (I said imagine, even I don't have >to wear ties anymore) and having it flap out straight in front of you, >pointed in the direction you are going at 65+ mph, touching the stock >shield! Weird, huh? :) That would be very weird! In the past, (back when I wore my hair really long) I experienced a similar effect when driving my old T-top Corvette. My hair was always blowing forward into my eyes. A friend of mine asked me back then why I didn't just put my hair in a ponytail to get it out of my face when I drove with the T-tops out. I said, "Are you kidding? I already have enough trouble with construction workers running up beside me to get a good look at me." They were always disappointed, BTW... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 10:37:24 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19468 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16902; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:37:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199810221437.KAA16902@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:37:06 -0400 Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A54@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 22 Oct 98, at 10:24, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > As good as it sounds, I really don't think the race bike would be as > competitive in the corner activities... It's just too unstable at that low > a speed to get leaned over properly. Now if I get this darned EX put > together before saturday, look out!! (I bought more parts the other day > and I think I have everything now!!) Todd, you gonna have the new VF500 > there? I managed to do real well on one of those little beasties!! CT Collin, Since you were the winner last time I think you should be "handicapped" this time around... you have to do the course on my bike! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (long wheelbase, nice and heavy) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 10:46:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19865 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06357 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25040 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id KAA20139; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566A5.00629C05 ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:45:09 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Boiade@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566A5.004998C0.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:22:50 -0400 Subject: Old Triumph Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi Fred, Not sure if you remember me...I'm the guy who was looking to buy a new Enfield...anyway, you're basically the only guy I know of who's familiar with vintage m/c's...tonight I'm going to look at a '71 Triumph Bonneville 650...the guy says its running well, and he was going to take it out for a test ride last night (guess its been sitting for about a year). He's asking $1900, but says it seems to be in good working order. I didn't ask him about the cosmetics figuring I'll be able to see for myself tonight. I was wondering if you know anything about these bikes, or given your knowledge of vintage bikes in-general, what are some things I should specifically look for when examining the bike? Like are there some parts that are just impossible to find for old bikes? It sounds like the speedo has around 5,000 miles on it, but the guy says the speedo cable was broken when he received the bike...he says he's put about another 3,000 miles on it, so I'm assuming the bike probably has less than 15,000 miles on it. I realize this is a longshot, but any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 11:23:37 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21382 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA20817 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA20810 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id LAA29021 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id LAA29013 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810221523.LAA29013@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:17:00 -0400 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: My First Jump To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Hmmm... my first "jump" involved me (inexperienced), a DC intersection that was basically one BIG speed bump, and about 50-60mph of speed. Anyone ever seen a Ninja 500 go airborn? I'm sure all of the guys on the list will sympathize when I say that the landing *hurt*. :-) Brad -----Original Message----- > Last night going to school, my bike died on me (don't ask)... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 11:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21906 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 368; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:34:27 -0400 Message-ID: <362F50BD.13EE9FCD@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:35:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" , George Howell Subject: Re: shifting? References: <199810221250.IAA15344@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seriously, on the Concours you can basically accelerate to the speed limit in 1st, then upshift 5 more times. :) George complained: > > And a few of us who appreciate a little thing called > > mid-range. Maybe it's too many BMWs (and a ragged out Honda:), > > but I just hate shifting:) And Brian answered: > shift.. huh?? what's that? I put it in 5th and go.. I just wish my VFR had > a circular patern so it was easier to go from first to 6th/5th.. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 11:39:07 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21916 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:24:04 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 22 Oct 1998 11:20:43 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 22 Oct 1998 11:20:43 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 01762362F4D4B00B-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 01762362F4D4B00B Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <01762362F4D4B00B*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 22 Oct 1998 11:20:43 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Fagan, Collin LTJG" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities Message-Id: <01762362F4D4B00B*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> In my best politically correct tone of voice: "I don't think anyone should be "handicapped", they should be physically challenged." Remember I work for the government and I'm here to help you... Don B. Day 3 with no bike and the metro really sucks -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:56 AM To: Fagan, Collin LTJG Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities On 22 Oct 98, at 10:24, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > As good as it sounds, I really don't think the race bike would be as > competitive in the corner activities... It's just too unstable at that low > a speed to get leaned over properly. Now if I get this darned EX put > together before saturday, look out!! (I bought more parts the other day > and I think I have everything now!!) Todd, you gonna have the new VF500 > there? I managed to do real well on one of those little beasties!! CT Collin, Since you were the winner last time I think you should be "handicapped" this time around... you have to do the course on my bike! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (long wheelbase, nice and heavy) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 11:58:10 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22769 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zWN7c-0007YQ-01; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:57:56 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:56:38 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB6E6E4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Burger, Donald '" , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:56:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I call the metro the "sardine can." I was actually a bit cold riding in today. Can you believe it!?? hee hee > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 11:21 AM > To: Anita Lauro; Fagan, Collin LTJG > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities > > > Don B. > Day 3 with no bike and the metro really sucks > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:18:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23645 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07254 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28428 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AACF10E029C; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:18:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981022121042.00ff7360@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:11:33 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: My First Jump In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DB1B@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OH! I saw the subject line and thought we were doing to have to start calling you The Flying Jeannette! Chris Norloff At 09:23 AM 10/22/98 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Last night going to school, my bike died on me (don't ask)... >A woman stopped her car & came to help! : ) She told me she had a CBR >& tried to help me pop-start it, but to no avail. >Luckily, I was right outside the entrance to campus so I pushed the bike >into a metro space. After class my 17-year-old sis & I jump-started my >bike off her car. I am very proud. : ) > >- Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:18:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23648 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07257 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28432 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAD010E029C; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:18:24 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981022121231.00ff1620@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:13:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities In-Reply-To: <3b8a1728.362f3d0d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ><< No fair! Collin's entering a race bike in the parking lot competition! I >think we're going to have to have some class > restrictions, Leon. :) >> > >Im sure we could find a few wires to yank out. Thatll even it up a little >more. I was thinking maybe those 4 wires that come out of the top of the >motor. What do yall think? I think we should duct-tape Collin's fingers together. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:20:02 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23680 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14539 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:21:26 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A61@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Fwd: For sale Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:21:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From the NOVA-MGR list: =================================== For Sale: 1980 Yamaha XS1100G. I bought it as a project bike but time isa major constraint for me. I already have many extra parts for it as spares. $700. 703-598-6131 Matt Vitkevich =================================== From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:31:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24133 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07378 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28890 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Thu Oct 22 10:56 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA19689 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDFDAB.C9038D10@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:04:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Party? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:04:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK I plan on being at the DC cycles party on Sat. I seem to be digest challenged so I thought I would ask again where I can find a copy of the directions to the party. I checked John Kozyn's web page and didn't find anything leading to ask the list. YES, I will be bringing the $30 for the tire changer. Also, is there is list of other items to bring? TIA. John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:38:59 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24262 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AF9C15E029C; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:38:52 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981022124141.0100a100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:44:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Majority of Trucks Fail Va. Inspections Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just some cheery news to think about on the way home this evening ... Majority of Trucks Fail Va. Inspections http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-10/22/216l-102298-idx.html By Alice Reid Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, October 22, 1998; Page D01=20 More than half of the 42,000 trucks inspected by Virginia State Police during 1997 were defective, and more than 20 percent were in such bad shape that authorities took them off the highway, according to state statistics. Those figures, and others compiled by federal safety authorities showing that fatalities involving trucks are on the increase nationwide, were the centerpiece yesterday of an attack by U.S. Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-Va.) on the U.S. Office of Motor Carrier Safety. Wolf, who represents Northern Virginia, said the office -- an arm of the Federal Highway Administration -- is soft on the trucking industry and should be investigated by the U.S. Department of Transportation's inspector general and the General Accounting Office. "If you look at the Virginia numbers, they're pretty powerful," Wolf said later in an interview. The statistics, supplied to Wolf by state police, "kind of triggered my interest," he said. Virginia's statistics are in line with national figures that show 22 percent of all trucks inspected by state highway police have defects so serious that they must be taken out of service. Safety inspections in Virginia also found truck drivers who were in violation of regulations. Last year, 9 percent of truckers who were stopped in Virginia were pulled off the road, according to state police. That is slightly higher than the national average of 8 percent. At the same time, federal figures show that the 13 percent of highway fatalities nationwide involved trucks in 1997, up from 9 percent the previous year. As trucks have become heavier and longer and represent an increasing share of all traffic, their safety is becoming an issue for drivers and police alike. In Washington, with its daily highway congestion, truck accidents quickly become high-profile problems. "You have 53-foot-long trailers, and some states are allowing 58 feet. An accident can tie up the road for hours," said David Feather, a state police officer in charge of Northern Virginia's truck inspections. Trucks are usually inspected at weigh stations, and Feather said he has seen almost everything. "Drunk drivers, it's incredible," he said. "But the most disturbing is overweight trucks. Last year, we got a truck hauling trash down from New England that was 35,000 pounds overweight. That's a time bomb just waiting to happen. We made the driver unload the truck." Feather said police are seeing an increase in overloaded trucks. Authorities also are seeing drivers who are "driving right up to the max" on the 10 consecutive hours they are allowed behind the wheel under federal rules. Usually, police must find multiple violations to remove a driver or truck from the road, officials said. But sometimes a single serious violation can take a truck off the road. "I've been at an inspection where seven out of 10 brakes on an 18-wheeler were defective," said state Trooper Ray Walker, of Maryland's Motor Vehicle Carrier division. Maryland did 59,486 inspections last year, and took 3,506 drivers out of service and 6,333 vehicles off the road -- a lower percentage than in Virginia. Yesterday, a truck triggered a dramatic accident on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge when it lost part of its metal roof. A chain-reaction crash left four people injured, two of them seriously, and closed the Beltway's inner loop for a half-hour just after noon, Virginia State Police said. The truck that started the mess was never found, according to state police spokeswoman Lucy Caldwell. A dump truck driver who rear-ended a car in the resulting pileup was charged with reckless driving, Caldwell said. An inspection of that truck revealed no defects. In his remarks yesterday, Wolf lashed out at the Office of Motor Carrier Safety, which is supposed to keep a national data base of problem truckers and review the safety records of trucking companies. The office "has not been able to significantly reduce the number of [trucks] or drivers operating on our roadways that are not fit to be in service. Statistics have not altered significantly since 1990," he said. An audit completed 18 months ago by the DOT inspector general accused the Office of Motor Carrier Safety of failing to make trucking companies obey safety rules. Wolf is asking that the audit be updated. The American Trucking Associations said statistics show that fatalities involving trucks remained con stant, at least through 1996, if increases in the numbers of miles being driven by both trucks and automobiles are taken into account. "We are in agreement on one thing -- that there be more money for truck inspections," said Walter B. McCormick, president of the Alexandria-based organization. "We all have to share the road -- car drivers, motorcyclists, truck drivers, and pedestrians -- and we all have to be good citizens. Is trucking safe? Yes." Virginia's Troubled Trucks More than half of the trucks inspected by Virginia's state police were defective and more than 20 percent had to be taken off the road immediately. Inspections conducted 42,256 Drivers in violation 19,861 Defective vehicles 25,221 Drivers taken out of service 3,627 Vehicles taken out of service 8,982 SOURCE: Virginia State Police =A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:41:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24546 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07435 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29276 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR673A2C; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:35 EDT To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My First Jump Message-ID: <19981022.023741.5167.4.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB0DB1B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-8,10-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:35 EDT On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:23:33 -0400 "O'Brien, Jeannette" writes: >Last night going to school, my bike died on me (don't ask)...After class my >17-year-old sis & I jump-started my bike off her car. I am very proud. : ) Good job! It's nice to conquer something new, isn't it? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:42:08 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24595 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR673ALQ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:34 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, COG@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Message-ID: <19981022.023740.5167.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <006701bdfd6b$f9125c60$6e0000c0@demon> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-9,12-15,17-18 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:34 EDT On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:28:01 -0400 "George Howell" writes: >> Me, I guess I fall in with the touring guys nowadays. I used to >> ride a '78 KZ1000 LTD, a great bike. But it got old and fragile >> and couldn't handle the daily pounding I was giving it (electrics, >> mostly, but lubing the chain every week was a royal pain, too). > >Admit it: the real reason you got rid of the KZ was because you >couldn't decide whether you wanted to be Ponch or Jon. If that's true we've got a real nice HJC half helmet here in the store that everybody's referring to as "the CHiPs special." Maybe someone will buy it...like for Halloween. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:42:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24598 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07438 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29287 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR673AYB; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:35 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: thanks for the spam Message-ID: <19981022.023741.5167.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <006301bdfd6b$f53d3880$6e0000c0@demon> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4,8-9,12-17,19-20 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:35 EDT On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:27:55 -0400 "George Howell" writes: >Oh, BTW, guess how much damage a 110 lb female on a bicycle (20 lbs??) can >do to a Mercury Villager minivan? No more than $300-$400, right? Wrong. Allstate >would like us to pony up $1500 (which, curiously enough means they want not only >what they paid, but the DEDUCTIBLE that their client paid!!) Luckily, they already >agreed to pay Angie's medical bills. I guess I missed the details of this accident if they were posted. How is it that the bicyclist is being charged with an accident involving a car? Doesn't seem too fair or logical to me. ?!? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:42:29 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24622 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR673ARX; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:34 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Message-ID: <19981022.023740.5167.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <006601bdfd6b$f7fe2d40$6e0000c0@demon> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-34,36-37,39-53,55-66,70-72,74,76-82,84-88,90-91 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:34 EDT On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 I (bike.dealer) said: >> I have a copy of the brochure for the ZRX1100 on my desk. Generally >> speaking, it's a detuned ZX11 motor in a frame that appears very >> Zephyr-like. And ghowell@XXXXXX responded: >So far, so good. I AGREE. (I'M NOT YELLING. I'M IN CAPS ONLY TO MAKE THIS EASY TO FOLLOW...) >> It does look very much like Eddie Lawson's old bike, >> including the little bikini fairing. > >Getting better... EDDIE LAWSON WAS THE MAN WHEN HE WAS RACING. >> It only comes in Lawson's signature >> "green w/purple and white stripes" color scheme. > >Even better. The brighter, the better. OH, IT'S BRIGHT... >> It'll be a five-speed > >I can't count to six. I TRY NOT TO. >> a 31-inch seat height (which the brochure calls "low," BTW), > >Depends on your POV and the suspension and width of seat. Personally, >any seat less than about 33 inches seems a bit off for me. And those 36 >inch DP seat heights compress quite a bit when you throw some weight on 'em. MY POV IS MY 30" INSEAM. MOST BIKES SEEM TALLER TO ME THAN THEY DO TO OTHER FOLKS, I GUESS... >> and tubeless tires. > >Will the modern ideas never stop? STEP BACK. THE TECHNOLOGY TRAIN IS COMIN' THRU! >> In my opinion (which no one asked for, but I'll be generous and hand >it out for nothin'), > >I do love getting my money's worth ;) IN THIS CASE, YOU PROBABLY GOT SCREWED. (DAMN DEALERS... ;-) >> this is a bike that people will come to see, walk around it and say something >>noncommittal like, "Pretty cool," and then move on. > >Most people. Squids and RUBs. Which means for those of us with >eccentric tastes, we better get it quick. WHO CARES WHAT SQUIDS AND RUBS THINK, ANYWAY? >> Some guys will probably buy them, of course, but not very many. > >And rather than accept a profit on each one sold, they'll bag it in >2-3 years. MAYBE SO, UNLESS THERE ARE LOTS MORE OF YOU THAN THERE ARE SQUIDS AND RUBS. THE ZRX1100 MIGHT BE MADE UP OF SURPLUS PARTS FROM OTHER BIKES (LIKE ZEPHYRS) THAT NEED TO DISPOSED OF AND THEY'LL MAKE THEM UNTIL THEIR SURPLUS PARTS ARE GONE... >> Those that do buy it will probably be guys who followed Eddie >Lawson's career when they were younger, but maybe couldn't have afforded a >big cc bike back then. Now they're older, in a higher tax bracket, and want >to have what they couldn't have before. Lots of "older, former riders >> returning to the sport", in other words. > >And a few of us who appreciate a little thing called mid-range. Maybe >it's too many BMWs (and a ragged out Honda:), but I just hate shifting:) YOU'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR ON THAT ONE. I'D RATHER ROLL-ON THAN DOWNSHIFT ANY DAY. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:45:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24697 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07449 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29396 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15849; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:14 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A63@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Party? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:41:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain http://www.monumental.com/jkozyn/dcannual > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 12:40 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Party? > > OK > > I plan on being at the DC cycles party on Sat. I seem to be digest > challenged so I thought I would ask again where I can find a copy of > the directions to the party. I checked John Kozyn's web page and > didn't find anything leading to ask the list. YES, I will be bringing > the $30 for the tire changer. Also, is there is list of other items > to bring? TIA. > > John Carver > '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 12:58:32 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25156 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR68YRKC; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:57:40 EDT To: brad.faas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My First Jump Message-ID: <19981022.025342.5167.5.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199810221523.LAA29013@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,7-8,10-13,15-16 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:57:40 EDT On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:17:00 -0400 "FAAS, BRAD" writes: >Anyone ever seen a Ninja 500 go airborn? I'm sure all of the guys on the list will >sympathize when I say that the landing *hurt*. :-) Thought you should know that my first reflex upon reading the above was to grab myself in the place all of us guys know he was referring to having *hurt*. Of course, age and wisdom have taught me not to do this in public, so I refrained, but I do sympathize with the implied agony. When I first tried riding a sportbike, I swung a leg over and sat down...and squished the grapes, if you know what I mean. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us "You can't use engineers at trackside. You need racing people for that - engineers know too much about what's impossible." -- an unnamed WSB team manager ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 13:06:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25597 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07579 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00049 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 ([131.7.252.171]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA01219; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: <362F65A1.BB32D641@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:04:33 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Sullivan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Sullivan wrote: > > RE: Parking Lot Activities > > No fair! Collin's entering a race bike in the parking lot competition! That's ok. George Howell suggested and I have designed an additional event in the parking lot competition that Collin will NOT be able to win with his GSX/R. (If he can win it with the GXS/R, he's making far too little money since he's in the wrong line of work) For the extra event, I will provide the equipment, so that everyone will compete on equal footing. And no, you won't have to ride the moped or the 250. If you have the equipment to compete, I will allow you to use your own instead of mine. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 13:13:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25967 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07603 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00257 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA23194; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:03:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981022170333.MFCF649@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:03:33 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Sean Sullivan'" , Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdfddd$b647cb00$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A54@MSCEX> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nah. One little fuel line coupler is stopping me from starting the bike. It'll be the CB and or ST. Todd > As good as it sounds, I really don't think the race bike would be as > competitive in the corner activities... It's just too unstable at > that low a > speed to get leaned over properly. Now if I get this darned EX > put together > before saturday, look out!! (I bought more parts the other day > and I think I > have everything now!!) > Todd, you gonna have the new VF500 there? I managed to do real > well on one > of those little beasties!! > CT > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 13:27:39 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26470 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19993; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A64@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Bikes R Us'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: squished grapes! was RE: My First Jump Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:28:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oooh, here come all the "squished grape" stories!!! During one of the races this past Summer, I worked my way up through the pack pretty quickly and set my sights on the next guy in front of me. Coming out of turn 10, I drafted closely on him down the straight. Well, I got a little lost in the heat of battle and didn't realize we were already down to the brake markers...and his brake point is before mine!! Yikes!! I narrowly swerve around him as I see him stand up and grab a handful of brakes. as I squeek by him, I realize that I'm a little bit past my own brake marker and I grab hard... I can only imagine the look on Shawn's face as I passed him with the rear wheel a good foot and a half to two feet off the ground. you can put two and two together and figure out that my grapes took an aweful beating during that mistake!!... I lost two positions as a result of running wide in turn 1 (but got em back to take 5th at the checker on the next lap)... ooooh, shudders and cringes just recalling those kind of events....then there was the mx racing!! Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 13:38:13 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26882 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07730 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01071 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7DMa004682; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:37:33 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/22/98 10:03:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << You'd be surprised how light a 700 lb. bike can feel. It's no Ducati, but it's also no HD. >> Come on 700 lbs. is 700 lbs. your foot slips on gravel or oil while you are stopped and it is down, no question about it. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 13:43:42 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26969 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12889 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:43:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities In-Reply-To: <362F65A1.BB32D641@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sean Sullivan wrote: > No fair! Collin's entering a race bike in the parking lot competition! If he were entering a YSR50 race bike I might be concerned... However, I'd stick a light street bike up against just about any 750cc+ race bike in a parking lot challenge! Any Hawks, EXs, baby-ceptors, etc ought to have an easy time... I may even be willing to lend the Hawk out, although perhaps not to Collin. I don't want to ruin my chances for victory! :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 13:45:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27168 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07783 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01358 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:45:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZTYa19215; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <368a8ae0.362f6f04@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:44:36 EDT To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Old Triumph Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 That version British bike generally required a top-end rebuild at 7-8 K, the valve guides would generally wear out and people would replace them with better (harder) after market version. The best way to see if it is worth $1,900 is to have him start it, let it get warm and see how much smoke it makes. A little smoke is normal but if it fogs up the area you will need to rebuild the top-end, and maybe the rings but usually that is not necessary. Triumphs are a little less stressed than Nortons since they put out less HP but they have the same problems, oil will leak you can except a 4-5 inch diameter spot after running the bike. If the spot gets to be over 12-18 inches you might worry a bit. You will hear alot of valve/tappet clatter, that is normal. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 13:48:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27291 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07798 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01457 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22059; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:50:06 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A66@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" , ghowell@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:50:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, 700 lbs IS 700 lbs. However, ft-lbs is a whole nother subject... The Valkyrie has a much lower center of gravity than an equivalent weight wing. This would lead to a mush smaller couple force and make it much easier to deal with....but I agree, if one of em falls over...... > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 1:47 PM > To: ghowell@XXXXXX; NJitzul@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! > > > Come on 700 lbs. is 700 lbs. your foot slips on gravel or oil while you > are > stopped and it is down, no question about it. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 14:07:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28009 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08037 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02167 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-118-156.s156.tnt13.brd.erols.com [207.172.118.156]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03832 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01bdfdc5$6c590580$9c76accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: Subject: Re: My First Jump Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:08:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I second that! And it's great you got your little sister involved, too. - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Horstman, Tracy L To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 1:49 PM Subject: RE: My First Jump >You didn't doubt you could do this, did you? You're one of the many strong >women on this list who sees something that she can do and does it and >continously is improving her abilities with regards to motorcycle repair and >maintenance. WTG ! > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 14:14:09 1998 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28252 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-118-156.s156.tnt13.brd.erols.com [207.172.118.156]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06522 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004701bdfdc6$61c82320$9c76accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" Cc: Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:15:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hmm, let's add to the challenge: how about on MY bike - the mini chopper??? Oh yeah, and we want to see you scrape pegs. :-) - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Fagan, Collin LTJG Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 2:43 PM Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities >Collin, > >Since you were the winner last time I think you should be >"handicapped" this time around... you have to do the course on my >bike! :-) > >Anita >'96 GPZ1100 (long wheelbase, nice and heavy) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 14:17:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28296 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08152 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02484 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:16:59 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WDCQa22760 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6cf0cb03.362f75bc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:13:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities - Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 10/22/98 1:13:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << George Howell suggested and I have designed an additional event in the parking lot competition that Collin will NOT be able to win with his GSX/R. (If he can win it with the GXS/R, he's making far too little money since he's in the wrong line of work) For the extra event, I will provide the equipment, so that everyone will compete on equal footing. And no, you won't have to ride the moped or the 250. If you have the equipment to compete, I will allow you to use your own instead of mine. >> Hmmmm.....I think I should get my mind out of the gutter. Anybody else get any nasty thoughts on this one? Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 14:56:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00184 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08768 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03983 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zWPum-0003x1-00; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:56:52 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DB6E6F4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Ursulina Viteri'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: My First Jump Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:55:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, she was so cute! She keeps saying she wished I hadn't gotten ride of the VF 'cause she wants a ride... maybe I can get her into biking herself (?) hee hee Of course, then my mom would come after me. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Ursulina Viteri [SMTP:ursulina@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:08 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: My First Jump > > I second that! And it's great you got your little sister involved, > too. > > - - Ursulina > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 15:06:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00647 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08862 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04336 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA24734; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981022190529.NMZG649@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:05:29 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bdfdee$be932500$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Fred writes: > In a message dated 10/22/98 10:03:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ghowell@XXXXXX > writes: > > << You'd be surprised how light a 700 lb. bike can feel. It's no > Ducati, but > it's also no HD. >> > Come on 700 lbs. is 700 lbs. your foot slips on gravel or oil > while you are > stopped and it is down, no question about it. > > Ciao, > > Fred > Ahem, ahem! Not necessarily the case my friend. I've ridden my ST1100 (673lb dry) for over 33k miles in 1.3 yrs. Slipped on rocks/oil/antifreeze and other crap, but haven't gone down because of it. However, there are those among us who duck-walk to a stop all the time and just can't seem to keep the bike standing up. I think inseam has a lot to do with the 'atrestdrop' syndrome. The lack thereof tends to make it worse. Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 15:06:40 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00650 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR7GBQEZ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:05:59 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My First Jump Message-ID: <19981022.042050.5215.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A64@mscex> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:05:59 EDT On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 "Fagan, Collin LTJG" writes: >Oooh, here come all the "squished grape" stories!!! And your story made me do the obligatory crotch grab. Oooch. Eeech. Ouch. Oooch. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us New math... If A equals B and B equals C, then A must equal C. A- God is Love B- Love is Blind C- Ray Charles is God ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 15:27:43 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01517 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 263; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:26:42 -0400 Message-ID: <362F872B.BE924345@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:27:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My First Jump References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A64@mscex> <19981022.042050.5215.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > New math... > If A equals B and B equals C, then A must equal C. > A- God is Love > B- Love is Blind > C- Ray Charles is God BZZT! According to the formulae supplied, the correct answer is "God (A) is Blind (C)" I've been helping my kid out with this new math crap. You aren't sneaking anything by me anymore! ;) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 15:28:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01528 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09080 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05040 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:28:52 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WWCIa02317 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b5c9a2b.362f84ea@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:18:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My First Jump - family jewels and scaring myself Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 10/22/98 3:12:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << And your story made me do the obligatory crotch grab. Oooch. Eeech. Ouch. Oooch. >> The only time Ive racked myself was after a hard landing wheelie. But they definitely got acquainted with that big gas tank...damn near permanently. The only air Ive ever gotten was on one of the back roads around Clifton (wolf shoals run?). Some of you prolly know which one Im talking about. Its just a hill at first (from the looks of it) but the crest drops off real quick. I usually pick up speed approaching it. Well I forgot about the drop off once and hit that sucker at about 55. WHAT A FEELING! I didnt really realize I was airborne until I almost hit the road. It scared me to death at first but after I was ecstatic. I try not to think about what would have happened if my bars were turned slightly, etc etc. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 15:30:47 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01589 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 334; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:29:44 -0400 Message-ID: <362F87E1.475476D2@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:30:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ursulina Viteri CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities References: <004701bdfdc6$61c82320$9c76accf@ursulina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ursulina Viteri wrote: > > Hmm, let's add to the challenge: how about on MY bike - the mini chopper??? > Oh yeah, and we want to see you scrape pegs. :-) That's sort of the problem - it's all to easy to scrape pegs on bikes like that. Looks cool, but it's hard to corner effectively when you keep levering the rear wheel off the ground. Tracy's got a Savage, so I know of which I speak! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 "Not a chopper" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 15:32:56 1998 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01600 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-118-156.s156.tnt13.brd.erols.com [207.172.118.156]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08144 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010a01bdfdd1$6307f520$9c76accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" Cc: Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:33:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 OK, then not only do we want to see pegs scraping but we want to see SPARKS!! ;-) - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: Ursulina Viteri Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Parking Lot Activities >Ursulina Viteri wrote: >> >> Hmm, let's add to the challenge: how about on MY bike - the mini chopper??? >> Oh yeah, and we want to see you scrape pegs. :-) > >That's sort of the problem - it's all to easy to scrape >pegs on bikes like that. Looks cool, but it's hard to >corner effectively when you keep levering the rear wheel >off the ground. > >Tracy's got a Savage, so I know of which I speak! :) > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 "Not a chopper" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 15:53:21 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02547 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR7JZR7U; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:52:59 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Ray Charles is God Message-ID: <19981022.045600.5215.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A64@mscex> <19981022.042050.5215.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> <362F872B.BE924345@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-18 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:52:59 EDT On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 Horkster writes: >BZZT! According to the formulae supplied, the >correct answer is "God (A) is Blind (C)" > >I've been helping my kid out with this new math >crap. You aren't sneaking anything by me anymore! ;) I tried this joke out on my 14-year-old when I was helping her with her algebra homework the other night. Know what she said? "Who's Ray Charles?" I took another step toward out-to-pasture with that one. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us New Math...If A equals B, and B equals C, then A must equal C. A- God is Love B- Love is Blind C- Ray Charles is God ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 15:54:27 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02565 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981022195506.15757.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.102] by send202.yahoomail.com; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:55:06 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Car towing ! To: Boiade@XXXXXX, Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But it got your attention, right? My first job at the Honda shop was to reassemble a lead sled from a bare frame and several boxes of parts in two different rooms. I only had three parts left over and the owner said it ran better than new. I don't hate the bikes so much as the cult. ---Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/20/98 5:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: > > << There are only two things I hate more than GW's: Volvos and Baltimore) > >> > > Isn't "hate" a little strong? I find GWs amusing, a small car on two wheels. > > I also find Harleys amusing, particularly when ridden by overweight men with > tiny helmets. They are particularly amusing when the overweight men are lying > back, their feet in the air (some appear to have pegs near the handlebars) and > with very serious looks on their faces. > > But HATE, that's a little strong. > > Ciao, > > Fred > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 16:06:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03096 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09363 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (known send202.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.132]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06364 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981022200728.22819.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.15.45.102] by send202.yahoomail.com; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:07:28 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:07:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Re: Car towing ! To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't discriminate against anyone as long as they are on two wheels - but I did manage to liven up a boring afternoon! I actually see myself on a Ural with sidecar when my arthritis gets too bad for two wheels. Ray ---NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Wow... Nuf said about GWs I guess! Hey all, I'm not the instigator this time!! > In fact, I disagree. I can forsee myself someday owning an older GW to go > cross country with. But then, we all have preferences and should respect them. > :) > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 16:11:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03402 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09391 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06547 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 268; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:10:27 -0400 Message-ID: <362F916C.A220EDCA@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:11:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My First Jump - family jewels and scaring myself References: <5b5c9a2b.362f84ea@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > The only air Ive ever gotten was on one of the back roads around > Clifton (wolf shoals run?). Some of you prolly know which one Im > talking about. Heh, heh, yep, I know exactly. :) My bike got air on Chapel Road, which is in the neighborhoood of Wolf Run Shoals. Woo Hoo! Clifton is a great place to ride. > Its just a hill at first (from the looks of it) but the crest drops > off real quick. I usually pick up speed approaching it. Yep, that's how it lures you in. :) > Well I forgot about the drop off once and hit that sucker at about 55. > WHAT A FEELING! I didnt really realize I was airborne until I almost > hit the road. For me, it was the telltale double-bump of both wheels returning to earth at different times that got me. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 16:22:19 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03948 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA27715; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:10:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981022200642.OFXJ649@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:06:42 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Bikes R Us" Cc: , Subject: RE: My First Jump Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:05:20 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01bdfdf7$4ba50fa0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <362F872B.BE924345@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I interpreted it as equating one variable for another and therefore unknown, as in A = God is Love. But we don't know what A is or what "God is Love" is. And not even the President of the United States knows what "is" is. So, as the claim is made it makes sense and is provable. However, as a syllogism it is faulty since there was no premise that "Ray Charles is Blind". Now if you said: A- God is Love B- Love is Blind C- Ray Charles is Blind Then D- God is Ray Charles I've had a bad cold all week. Can you tell I'm feeling better ;) Todd > Bikes R Us wrote: > > > > New math... > > If A equals B and B equals C, then A must equal C. > > A- God is Love > > B- Love is Blind > > C- Ray Charles is God > > BZZT! According to the formulae supplied, the > correct answer is "God (A) is Blind (C)" > > I've been helping my kid out with this new math > crap. You aren't sneaking anything by me anymore! ;) > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 16:36:09 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04533 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA00397; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981022203416.OOOO649@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:34:16 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Danielle Cioffi" , "Clay Turner" , "Curt Schwarzc" , "Julio Gagnon" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: For All Party Goers: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:32:54 -0400 Message-ID: <003001bdfdfb$25a79440$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual - This Saturdays weather forcast is looking - SWEEET! Sunny w/High of 66F and Low of 48F - We now have nearly $500 in hand for the tire changer. If you were going to bring $$$ to the party for this, don't forget. If you don't hand it to me in an SASE, you may not get proof of share in a timely fashion. Oh, well. I think even if we fall a little short on the total price, there are those that have expressed to me that they will go the xtra mile to see this through. Bravo! But I'd still rather we had an equitable share/each of the tool. - Leons Circles! If you are wondering what to do with your Saturday afternoon, come and check this out. It's a great way to practice slow speed cornering and ultimately builds a better confidence between rider with machine. In addition to Leons Circles, I will be setting up a slow speed straight line that involves riding up onto and over a 2x4. The slowest time from start to finish with the least number of dabs (touching foot down) wins. I'm sorry to report that none of the shops I visited in the area had a sufficiently cheesy trophy like gift to give away as first prize for any of the events. Hope the winner will accept an 'ataway' and pats on the back as sufficient recognition for a job well done. - Leons Circles - Where are they! Currently I am hoping we can secure the elementary school parking lot about 2-blocks from my house. If not, there is a decent commuter lot close by. In either case, come to my house first and I will have directions for you. The directions will probably be pasted on the front door, so bring a pen and paper or photographic memory. - I still need at least one (1) more cooler to help out with keeping sodas and beer cold. I've got one volunteer and one cooler of my own. Let me know privately if you can accommodate. I think that's all for now. See you all Saturday: http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 16:47:41 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04972 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR7MPZ2M; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:40:05 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blindness and syllogism Message-ID: <19981022.054316.5215.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <002f01bdfdf7$4ba50fa0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-13 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:40:05 EDT todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: >However, as a syllogism it is faulty since there was no premise that >"Ray Charles is Blind". Now if you said: Syllogism, shmyllogism! Ray Charles is as blind as Stevie Wonder. :-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us New Math...If A equals B, and B equals C, then A must equal C. A- God is Love B- Love is Blind C- Ray Charles is God (I'm standing behind my dumb joke, here...) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 17:04:26 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05752 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA01247; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981022210343.OYCZ649@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:03:43 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: Subject: RE: Blindness and syllogism Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:02:22 -0400 Message-ID: <003401bdfdff$4319e420$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19981022.054316.5215.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 JohnDavid writes: > > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > >However, as a syllogism it is faulty since there was no premise that > >"Ray Charles is Blind". Now if you said: > > Syllogism, shmyllogism! Ray Charles is as blind as Stevie Wonder. :-) Si, pero Stevie Wonder no es dios tampoco! > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > New Math...If A equals B, and B equals C, then A must equal C. > A- God is Love > B- Love is Blind > C- Ray Charles is God > > (I'm standing behind my dumb joke, here...) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 17:51:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07644 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10236 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10007 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WGTBa18748; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46705dd0.362fa731@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:44:17 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/22/98 3:05:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << I think inseam has a lot to do with the 'atrestdrop' syndrome. The lack thereof tends to make it worse. >> Well, this is true. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 18:07:31 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08179 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DR7SAUCN; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:00:16 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blindness and syllogism Message-ID: <19981022.064708.5215.4.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <003401bdfdff$4319e420$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:00:16 EDT >Si, pero Stevie Wonder no es dios tampoco! ¿Stevie Wonder el dio? No. ¡Ray Charles es el dio! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us New Math...If A equals B, and B equals C, then A must equal C. A- God is Love B- Love is Blind C- Ray Charles is God, eh, amigo? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 20:01:30 1998 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12803 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mary-ann.erols.com (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA08112; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810230001.UAA08112@smtp2.erols.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:05:49 -0400 To: roadhouse@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes Subject: Motorcycle Rally Pix I took Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not assuming you all care, but I went on a really large group ride last weekend. I took a lot of pictures and, being the geek that I am, I web-paged 'em. Take a peek: http://shadow.newspeak.org/fallride.html Wes ...in accordance with prophecy... http://shadow.newspeak.org/ wes@XXXXXX '96 Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 CB750 "Extra Sled" What do you want? A political statement? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 21:18:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15718 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11196 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14848 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:18:28 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6RMZa19215; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:06:21 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:06:21 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: GODDAMN TOWING COMPANIES Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I was having some electrical problem with the TL related to that fuse problem. I didnt want to ride it in fear of blowing something. Anyway I called a local dealer to have them service it. I also called a local towing company (A-1 towing for you DC cycles people...STAY AWAY FROM THEM) to take the bike. The guy loaded the bike up and took it to the dealer. I didnt finish watching him do it because he said he was certified with bikes. BIG MISTAKE! I get a call from the dealer later in the day saying that the bike is fixed and that they are glad that I didnt ride it in with the "Rear wheel like that"! I said "Huh? Say again?". They also wondered when I had "dropped the bike on the right side?" SAY WHAT?? I rushed down there (as fast as the Metro goes) and lo and behold it was dropped! In addition the lip of the rear wheel was bent into the tire! It was the same dent on both sides! I was STOMPING mad. Even the dealer said it looks like about $3000 to $4000 in damage. Anyway, at first the towing company was denying doing the damage. I told them that my next phone call would be my attorney and to expect a large lawsuit. They quickly changed their tune. Well to make a really long story short, I am bikeless and transportationless until this is resolved. It looks like they are getting on the ball with it. Towing it home for me for free and Im meeting with the general manager in the morning to assess the damage and get the paperwork started. Jeeeez.....I hate this shit. Anybody out there with any thoughts? Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 21:36:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16574 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11286 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15081 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-207.s207.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03737; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36303AE8.EDB48DA3@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:14:33 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GODDAMN TOWING COMPANIES References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, I got a thought :) Call me instead!!! Several listers have offered truck and trailer within reason.... I generally limit the free services to around 100 miles or so, but I have been known to go all the way to the south edge of New York to pick up a lister in need... My rates are cheap :) A coke or something for a short trip... If it's a longer trip, pitch in for some gogo juice for the pick em up truck... Other than that, free.. My phone numbers are listed below. Write em down and keep em on you r bike somewehre...and I'm usually available any time (although if it's non-emergency, daytime calls are much preferred...if it's an emergency, call me any time..) Collin WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Anybody out there with any thoughts? > Thanks > Jack -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 21:42:06 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16639 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-207.s207.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07250; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36303C1B.101574F1@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:19:39 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wes CC: roadhouse@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Rally Pix I took References: <199810230001.UAA08112@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice photos, but the "Yamaha GSX" would probably prefer to be labelled as a Suzuki GSXR.... I'd say it's a 97 600 by the paint, but I may be wrong on that..might be the 750.. :) CT wes wrote: I took a lot of pictures and, being the geek that I am, I > web-paged 'em. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 21:44:27 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16671 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-207.s207.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.207]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09083; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36303CC8.575CCA3D@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:22:32 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wes CC: roadhouse@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Rally Pix I took References: <199810230001.UAA08112@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shoulda made this all one note :) Is that a set of Euro fairings on the 916, or is it 748 SPS fairings?? Just curious...and yes, canary yellow does look very sharp on a bike.. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 21:48:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17003 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11328 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (known mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15355 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port23.annex4.radix.net [209.48.225.151]) by mail1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA13134; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362FDB74.21A9@radix.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:29:26 -0400 From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Reply-To: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Party / The Tire Changer References: <000f01bdf787$d406c120$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, Under the catagory of better late than never, is it way too late to for my friend John and I to decide to attend the DC Cycles party on Saturday? I have an extra cooler I can bring along and whatever else in the way of edible stuff that you might need. In the event that it's not too late, what shall we bring, where is it located? and what time does it begin? Thanks! Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special Todd Peer wrote: > > Hey everyone! > > The Party: > The RSVP list is looking kind of small, but I know in fact many, many more > people are coming over on the 24th. It's not entirely necessary that you > RSVP, but any decent party has a goodly and varied table of FOOD. We need > more people to step up and bring some entree type foods. With an RSVP, I > can list you and others can see what is already being brought over. > > I will have all the dinnerware we need, coffee and a bunch of sodas. If > someone has a cooler they can loan, that'd be great. I have one only, and > that ain't gonna be big enough. > > http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ > > Leon's Circles session before the party is still on. There are two > parking lots real close to my house I'd like to secure. One is on an > elementary school property (preferable) and the other one is across the > street at a community pool. The last couple of weekends, the school lot > looked empty enough, so we'll see. In any case, I'll post directions to > this must do event next week. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 22:15:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17973 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11487 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16113 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mydesktop (client196-127-9.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.9]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id VAA15322; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810230135.VAA15322@iconmail.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:30:01 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: ERC Class Attendees Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000a01bdfddc$4a64e2c0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Very cool, Todd! Thanks for getting this thing together. MET At 12:52 PM 10/22/98 , Todd Peer wrote: >Ok folks, below is a list of those people that made the pick for the ERC. >Raymond Lucas will be our teacher. You'll note that I am not on the list, >but I will probably be available as a volunteer to help on the range for ... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 22:17:47 1998 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17983 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-14.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.55]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12319 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:17:44 -0400 Message-ID: <020c01bdfe2b$202fe320$3810b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: GODDAMN TOWING COMPANIES (Thanks Collin and others) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:16:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This offer (and generous others) have been a real comfort when considering area trips. Lots of gratitude for this which, though I've not yet partaken, could be a real sacrifice of time and/or other plans. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) >Yep, I got a thought :) > >Call me instead!!! ...snip From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 22:32:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18760 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11531 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16476 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hgg (user-38lc41o.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.56]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03852 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981022223318.007d68e0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:33:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Motorcycle Towing - alternative Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to hear about your experience. Although I've (thankfully) never had to use their services, two places people continually recommend are: Independent Motorcycle Transport 301-946-5412 and Motorcycle Towing by Will (Baltimore area) 410-760-6949 I saw the IMT folks at Battley's Open House last year. They have special roll-on trucks and seem very experienced. I keep their card in my wallet. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:24 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20944 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11745 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17282 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:27 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Old Triumph Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdfe36$3b8fa280$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <368a8ae0.362f6f04@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 To check for oil leaks (works best on a clean engine) spray with some of that foot powder (comes in aerosol can, comes out white) Run engine. The powder really draws and traps the oil. It also provides a nice contrast, so it's easy to spot. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:19 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20937 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:19 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: Subject: RE: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdfe36$366acd20$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19981022.023740.5167.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I AGREE. (I'M NOT YELLING. I'M IN CAPS ONLY TO MAKE THIS EASY TO > FOLLOW...) Took me another paragraph to figure it out exactly:) > >> this is a bike that people will come to see, walk around it and say > something >>noncommittal like, "Pretty cool," and then move on. > > > >Most people. Squids and RUBs. Which means for those of us with > >eccentric tastes, we better get it quick. > > WHO CARES WHAT SQUIDS AND RUBS THINK, ANYWAY? Not me. Not as far stylistic concerns go. What bugs me about the 'style bikers' is that as they are the majority of the market, those are the bikes that will be made. How many non 'style bikes' are out there? Throw out the HDs and the clones, the sport bikes, and (to a lesser extent) the touring bikes, and there aren't many bikes left. A few sport tours, some really expensive Guzzis, the Deutsche oddballs (more BMWs, which are more sport tours), the Urals, and the MuZ. (And Enfields and a few others...) Most of these eccentric bikes are either too expensive (BMWs, Guzzis, and Triumphs) don't last long enough to work out kinks (UJMs, which are also, IMHO, too expensive) > YOU'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR ON THAT ONE. I'D RATHER ROLL-ON THAN > DOWNSHIFT ANY DAY. Maybe I need a HD big twin. I understand that the 'shifter' is just a 'vibe dial'. Doesn't really effect acceleration. But, seriously, the next bike in the stable (could be years away, as I just bought an engagement ring today) will have fewer cylinders. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:15 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20920 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: , Subject: RE: Kawasaki ZRX 1100 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdfe36$3150a620$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19981022.023740.5167.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Don't fault the half helmets. Nothing beats 'em in July on the interstates. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20932 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11736 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17270 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Todd Peer" Subject: RE: ERC Class Attendees Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdfe36$37a214a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01bdfddc$4a64e2c0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I see Ken and I are gonna be outta bed super early this weekend.... Ugh. I pray for a warm snap (cold I can do. Early I can do. Cold *and* early...) Sorry I can't help with the location. Only places I know of that >might< be suitable are in MD. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > The date is November 7, 1998 at 8am, and November 8 (tbd), for > the follow-up > range for those who don't participate on Saturday. > Range ride on Saturday > > shephar1@XXXXXX - Ken Shephard > MARKSOMM@XXXXXX - Mark Sommerfield > mark.kitchell@XXXXXX - Mark Kitchell > 2xracers@XXXXXX - Anita Lauro > ursulina@XXXXXX - ursulina Viteri > true@XXXXXX - Mark E. Truelove > sled@XXXXXX - Wes Fleming > SRUSH@XXXXXX - Scott Rush > cfagan@XXXXXX - Collin T. Fagan > Dave.Wakefield@XXXXXX - Dave Wakefield > WantAZX6@XXXXXX - Jack > l4rite@XXXXXX - Leslie N. Forewright > > Range ride on Sunday > > jckozyn@XXXXXX - John Kozyn > ghowell@XXXXXX - George Howell > RWestbrook@XXXXXX - Richard Westbrook > bgroves@XXXXXX - Bob Groves > MINEREG@XXXXXX - Sean Sullivan > ewinslow@XXXXXX - Eric Winslow > dawn.jon@XXXXXX - Jon Schumer > horkster@XXXXXX - Dale Horstman > christopher.meier@XXXXXX - Chris Meier > OsbornKev@XXXXXX - Kevin Osborn > ehand@XXXXXX - Ed Hand > brad.faas@XXXXXX - Brad Faas > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:38 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20962 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:31 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Ursulina Viteri" Cc: Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdfe36$3db05fa0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <362F87E1.475476D2@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Try the new BMW R1100S. I understand that on the European versions (no centrestand) you can touch the magnesium valve covers down. Supposed to make a really nice light show. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20934 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11739 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17274 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Sean Sullivan" Cc: Subject: RE: Parking Lot Activities Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdfe36$3883e920$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <362F65A1.BB32D641@illuminet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 FWIW, I think Collin has had a lot of practice in this type of event also... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > George Howell suggested and I have designed an additional event in the > parking lot competition that Collin will NOT be able to win with his > GSX/R. (If he can win it with the GXS/R, he's making far too little > money since he's in the wrong line of work) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20938 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11742 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17278 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , , Cc: Subject: RE: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bdfe36$39907720$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11D7A66@MSCEX> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Don't know about the 1500's, but the 1100's are pretty easy to hoist. It's actually easier to set the bike on the crash guards and lift it up again than it is to put it on the centrestand. And yes, The thing can be a bear at parking lot speeds, but... Hmmm..... if it weren't for the BAD gas mileage, I'd go get the Wing for the contest this weekend (which reminds me, Angie is getting a cold. I've got my fingers crossed that she'll be okay for the party...) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Yep, 700 lbs IS 700 lbs. However, ft-lbs is a whole nother subject... The > Valkyrie has a much lower center of gravity than an equivalent > weight wing. > This would lead to a mush smaller couple force and make it much easier to > deal with....but I agree, if one of em falls over...... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20954 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11751 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17290 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:34 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , Subject: RE: GODDAMN TOWING COMPANIES Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bdfe36$3ffa4fa0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Jack, it's a cool bike, but it's REAL bad luck for you. I think it's because we all know that Kawi you wanted was better, and the neon green god of biking has given you a love tap. Seriously. I don't know if I could keep riding a bike I had that much bad luck on. I'd feel jinxed. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:42 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20965 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Ray" , , , Subject: RE: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdfe36$3ec48ec0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19981022195506.15757.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hell, I ride a Wing, and find the cult pretty offensive. The GWRRA is the worst. First of all, Valk's aren't admitted (they are treated the same as Interceptors, HDs, Urals, etc). That's ludicrous. They are more like the 1975 than the 1998 GLs. Second, you better hope you don't have an older bike. If your GL has 4 cylinders, don't waste time with letters or looking for parts in Wing World (and, to a lesser extent, the GL list) Head straight to the message boards. Or pray. Then there is the outfit. We complain about the Brando biker RUBs, the Euro-wannabe-commuter look (reference: Todd Peer:), and the daylog Ninja Power Rangers. But to ride a Wing in style, you better look like you're heading for a night of square dancing. Black leather vest and bolo ties for everybody!! It also helps if you are a member of AARP. I could also go on about the BMW crowd, but I actually find them much more diverse than the Wing lot. At least at BMW events, if you show up on a /6 or /7, you get respect, not derision. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > But it got your attention, right? > My first job at the Honda shop was to reassemble a lead sled from a > bare frame and several boxes of parts in two different rooms. I only > had three parts left over and the owner said it ran better than new. > I don't hate the bikes so much as the cult. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20876 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11733 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17264 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:08 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: Subject: RE: thanks for the spam Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdfe36$2930e040$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19981022.023741.5167.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The cop wrote it up as Angie's fault. But, until a judge or jury verifies that, I'm assuming that fault hasn't been determined. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I guess I missed the details of this accident if they were posted. How is > it that the bicyclist is being charged with an accident involving a car? > Doesn't seem too fair or logical to me. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:34:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20948 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11748 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17286 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , , Cc: Subject: RE: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:35:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdfe36$3cc56360$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501bdfdee$be932500$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I think inseam has a lot to do with the 'atrestdrop' syndrome. The lack > thereof tends to make it worse. My dad did buy his Moto Guzzi (back in '71 or '72) because he thought that at 5'8", he was about the size of your average Italian, explaining why this 'big' bike fit him so well. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 22 23:47:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21528 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11765 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17526 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:46:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WPXQa17823 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:40:49 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <931699a6.362ffac1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:40:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: GODDAMN TOWING COMPANIES Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 10/22/98 11:34:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Seriously. I don't know if I could keep riding a bike I had that much bad luck on. I'd feel jinxed. >> I love her waaaay too much to let a few things like this stop me. Who knows, if all goes the way I hope I will get a new bike out of it if I end up going the legal route. I hear "loss of transportation" falls under the "pain and suffering" statue for punitive damages......heheeh. Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 23 00:34:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23452 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12683 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18063 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:34:15 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7IUOa02329; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:32:36 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 My biggest problem is a weak knee. Maybe someday I'll get it replaced, but until then I don't trust it with heavy weights. I know that once you get moving, any bike can be handled relatively well. Slow speed handling/walking a bike is what makes me nervous. As far as riding with groups goes... one of the reasons I joined DC-Cycles (besides Ursulina's invitation) was because it is a diverse group. Limiting my riding partners to design, make, or model would probably make me a snobby bike rider! YUCK!! If it has two wheels (or three in the case of Trikes) I'll ride with em. SO... if I got an older GW I'd stick with DC-Cycles and join "GW only" groups for mere Tech support. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 23 00:43:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23876 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12698 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18201 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:40:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Valkyrie Interstate... wasRe: Car towing ! Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdfe3f$dbbaf760$6e0000c0@Demon.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > My biggest problem is a weak knee. Maybe someday I'll get it replaced, but > until then I don't trust it with heavy weights. I know that once you get > moving, any bike can be handled relatively well. Slow speed > handling/walking a > bike is what makes me nervous. My father has a bum wrist and a bum knee (the former either genetically, or due to a bike spill in 1970, the latter due to getting old and doing a few dumb things:) and has avoided getting into the 'moto-pig' class of bikes (FL, GL, KLT) for similar reasons. > As far as riding with groups goes... one of the reasons I joined DC-Cycles > (besides Ursulina's invitation) was because it is a diverse > group. Limiting my > riding partners to design, make, or model would probably make me > a snobby bike > rider! YUCK!! If it has two wheels (or three in the case of > Trikes) I'll ride > with em. SO... if I got an older GW I'd stick with DC-Cycles and join "GW > only" groups for mere Tech support. Hey, it works for me. BTW, there is this 'dolly' in the Wing mags that can turn your bike into a trike temporarily. You back onto it, tighten a few bolts, and then ride away. So... Technically, there is at least one way to have a four-wheeled bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 23 03:17:21 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00290 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash2