From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 00:07:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01759 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18910 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14788 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WGCZa02343 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <650671d5.3612ffe9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:07:05 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Paging Art Crow....paging Art Crow... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Art, are you still lurking out there? If so, would you be so kind as to let me know where you're hiding in this vast electronic landscape? Had a few questions for you on some Givi stuff..... much obliged, -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 00:25:46 1998 Return-Path: harry@XXXXXX Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02508 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16994 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from harry@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <199810010425.AAA16994@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ruminations on Harley Davidsons and such Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:25:49 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos I've never ridden a Harley. I'd like to, though. Harleys are motorcycles, and I like motorcycles. Harleys are very shiny, and I like the way they sound. My bike is a Kawasaki. It's nice, it's a motorcycle too. It's kind of heavy, and the fairing is sort of bent to one side from when the bike tipped over into a Volvo in the next parking space. Volvo's are okay too, I suppose, they don't tip over, but I prefer motorcycles anyway. I've never had a tattoo'ed halter-top wearing woman on the back of my bike. I wouldn't mind trying that some time, though, I bet she'd actually be very nice once I got to know her, and we'd both like motorcycles. Sometimes when I'm riding, I ride faster than other people and I have to go around them. Sometimes other people ride faster than me, and they have to go around me. I like to wave to them. Sometimes when it looks like it's going to rain, I drive my car to work. I like motorcycles, but my car has a roof. I ride my motorcycle again after it stops raining. If I had a lot of money, I'd buy one of every kind of motorcycle, and I'd ride a different one every day. When the day rolled around when it was time to ride the Pacific Coast, I think I'd say "why'd I have to buy so many damn motorcycles, any way". Thank you, -harry From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 00:30:02 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02595 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lcmik.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.84]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA27518; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981001002834.006a4780@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:28:34 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Shifter Problem In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA848E3@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To all those people who replied to this question...here is the answer... First of all the VFR has a very smooth transmission and is designed with good 'ole Honda engineering. No WD40 is going to fix the problem. Two things are causing this(as I sat and thought about for a bit). First... the oil has been changed to a heavier viscosity than what was in there. I did this because of the extreme summer heat and all that good stuff. Since the mornings have been chillier the oil remains a little thicker than what we were used to. Second... the clutch lever has been replaced do to a slight incident in the driveway. It most likely needs an adjustment(as I noticed a couple of days ago that it didn't engage until way out). The new handle has just broken itself in compounding the problem(VFRs use hydraulic clutches). Needless to say I'll be taking care of it tomorrow evening. :-) -Tom '86 VFR750 At 12:21 PM 9/30/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Has anyone had this problem before: can't get bike to shift into >neutral when you first start riding it down the road, then, after it's >warmed up, it's fine. This problem just started in the last week or so. >What do I need to do? WD-40 on the lever or something? ; ) > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 00:50:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03438 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19540 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15547 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA25851; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:49:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Call me a feminist... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat." --Rebecca West, 1913 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 03:04:31 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA09399 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 03:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lciun.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.215]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA13678 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 03:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981001030249.006a395c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 03:02:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Shifter Problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981001002834.006a4780@pop.mindspring.com> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA848E3@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, the clutch lever has to be in just about at the clipon for the clutch to disengage... sorry.. i was half asleep when i wrote it. Tom At 12:28 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Thomas W. Zell wrote: >To all those people who replied to this question...here is the answer... > >First of all the VFR has a very smooth transmission and is designed with >good 'ole Honda engineering. No WD40 is going to fix the problem. Two >things are causing this(as I sat and thought about for a bit). First... >the oil has been changed to a heavier viscosity than what was in there. I >did this because of the extreme summer heat and all that good stuff. Since >the mornings have been chillier the oil remains a little thicker than what >we were used to. Second... the clutch lever has been replaced do to a >slight incident in the driveway. It most likely needs an adjustment(as I >noticed a couple of days ago that it didn't engage until way out). The new >handle has just broken itself in compounding the problem(VFRs use hydraulic >clutches). Needless to say I'll be taking care of it tomorrow evening. :-) > >-Tom >'86 VFR750 > >At 12:21 PM 9/30/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >>Has anyone had this problem before: can't get bike to shift into >>neutral when you first start riding it down the road, then, after it's >>warmed up, it's fine. This problem just started in the last week or so. >>What do I need to do? WD-40 on the lever or something? ; ) >> >>- Jeannette >> '86 VFR 700 F2 >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 05:44:55 1998 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from postal.clark.net (postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA16262 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA19195 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01608 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810010944.FAA01608@shell.clark.net> Subject: E-mail list atonement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:44:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Yesterday was Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, where we ask G-d and our fellow men and women for forgiveness for our sins. The following was posted on the Jewish Humor list, and while Jewish people may recognize the structure more immediately (it is modeled after a set of prayers that are recited on Yom Kippur) it is still fun, and true for all e-mail lists. Maybe I should add something about overzealous brand loyalty.... nah. Louis --------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E J E W I S H H U M O R L I S T --------------------------------------------------------------------- For the sin which we have committed by responding too often, And for the sin which we have committed by not posting at all when we have something valuable to say; For the sin which we have committed by responding angrily in haste, And for the sin which we have committed by posting private email in a public forum; For the sin which we have committed by misinterpreting others' words, And for the sin which we have committed by not expressing ourselves clearly; For the sin which we have committed by being sarcastic to other list members, And for the sin which we have committed by not being tolerant of their positions; For the sin which we have committed by not explaining technical terms, And for the sin which we have committed by assuming others know as much as we do; For the sin which we have committed by posting announcements directly, And for the sin which we have committed by posting subscription commands to the list; For the sin which we have committed by forwarding messages without introduction And for the sin which we have committed by cross-posting our own messages to many other lists; For the sin which we have committed by not using an appropriate subject line, And for the sin which we have committed by having a long .signature file; For the sin which we have committed by quoting others' posts in their entirety, And for the sin which we have committed by not providing context to our replies; For all of these, Forgiving One, Forgive Us, Pardon Us, and Grant Us Atonement. copyright © 1995, 1998, Mark Frydenberg ---------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 05:56:03 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA16652 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p57.sas1.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.57]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA21002 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:54:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <36135003.5E4C@flash.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 05:48:51 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Ruminations on Harley Davidsons and such References: <199810010425.AAA16994@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Mantakos wrote: > I've never ridden a Harley. I'd like to, though. Harry, if you ever get the opportunity to ride one, leave yourself plenty of stopping distance; at LEAST twice as much as you're used to. > I've never had a > tattoo'ed halter-top wearing woman on the back of my bike. > I wouldn't mind trying that some time, though, I bet she'd actually > be very nice once I got to know her, and we'd both like motorcycles. Severely overrated activity. > Sometimes when I'm riding, I ride faster than other people and I have > to go around them. You won't ever have to worry about this on a Harley. > I like to wave to them. Don't ever wave when you're on a Harley. I think it must void the warranty or something. > If I had a lot of money, I'd buy one of every kind of motorcycle, > and I'd ride a different one every day. Kudos. But you could buy 2 of almost anything else for what you would pay for one Harley. Oh, one more thing, if you do ride a Harley, take along plenty of quarters to call towing services. Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 06:22:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17890 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22911 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19381 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7RMMa18748; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f17eefe.361357d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:22:11 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another newbie Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/30/98 11:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Disagree about the Buell's. Too much torque, and too grippy stoppers for a ham-fisted newbie. >> Well, i have never ridden one so you are probably right. It's the way they look, if you drop one how can you tell its been dropped? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 06:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18024 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RRLAa02301; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <670da080.361356f1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:25 EDT To: dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fun Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 9/30/98 9:57:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dankenney@XXXXXX writes: << Whom ever wrote this obviously didnt see the big smiles on me,Jon and Fred's faces during our ride last sunday. >> Dan, The guy came and went between the time of your last post and this post. LOLOLOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 06:36:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18375 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23018 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19484 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WTEMa19215 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b0d5308.36135ace@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:34:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Weekend Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Haven't seen any ride proposals, anyone thinking of going for a ride Saturday or Sunday. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 06:46:37 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18772 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:44:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:44:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) However, at 250 lbs. I'd get an XX or ZX-11 for the heavy racer feel. And I'd take off the lower plastic for the first year. Buy a TL1000.....great starter bike. Snipped from other e-mails. Sorry guys I really disagree with you guys on this. All of the above mentioned bikes are NOT good beginner bikes. The only one I haven't ridden is the ZX-11 and I assume its not much different then the XX. All of these bikes are beasts and have WAY TO MUCH POWER FOR A BEGINNER. I think the Nighthawk is an excellent choice as is the other smaller bikes mentioned. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 07:46:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20919 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23592 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20310 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:46:02 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F49@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend Ride Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:51:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Weekend Ride > > Haven't seen any ride proposals, anyone thinking of going for a ride > Saturday > or Sunday. > > > Ciao, > > Fred > > [Mersch, Tom] Here's a possibility from the NOVAMGR list. If the Harley, Harley, Uber Alles guy is still on the list, ignore this as it involves a ride designed by a FEMINIST (Anita) AIIIEEEEEE!!! :-) >INVITATION TO COUNTRY ROADS RIDE SUNDAY, 10/4/98 You are invited to ride on the newest route in the NOVA MGR collection. It's called COUNTRY ROADS and it was designed by Anita Lauro, one of our fellow NOVA MGR riders. She took me up on a long-standing offer, open to anyone, to design a ride. The ride leaves from Manassas. It goes through or near Culpepper, and Front Royal. The ride ends in Middleburg. The weather is expected to be excellent with a high temperature of around 60 degrees, so dress accordingly. The morning is sure to be cooler. Even if you don't have a motorcycle, you are welcome join us for breakfast anyway! There is always a nice display of bikes in the parking lot. >>LOCATION - Old Country Buffet in Manassas off route 234 >>TIME - 8:00am to 8:45am for breakfast. Ride starts by 9am. >>DIRECTIONS - >>Head to Manassas via I-66 >>From I-66, take exit 47A (Route 234/Sudley Rd south) >>Proceed for about one mile >>Turn left into Westgate shopping center >>Old Country Buffet is behind Long John Silvers restaurant >>DETAILS - Meet for a huge all-you-can-eat breakfast buffet, >>which will cost about $6.50. OCB's legendary buffet is so >>good, you'll want to meet up with us on Sunday even if you >>don't ride a motorcycle. If you are not interested in having >>breakfast with the group, we plan to leave at 9am. I hope to see a lot of you there! I know Anita wants to see how much folks like her ride. Please arrive with enough fuel to ride up to 100 miles. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:18:28 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22142 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23957 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21001 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc2-s4.wizard.net (tc2-s4.wizard.net [206.161.15.80]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29555; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:18:41 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita) To: Garcia Oliver Cc: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Call me a feminist... Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: <361f73e4.1190618261@smtp.wizard.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:49:49 -0400 (EDT), Garcia Oliver wrote: >"I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only=20 >know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that=20 >differentiate me from a doormat." > >--Rebecca West, 1913 That quote is PERFECT! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:19:37 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22399 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011219.IAA22399@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A353125022E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:19:31 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:09:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: duct tape In-Reply-To: <3612675B.DA81DB0D@tidalwave.net> References: <001c01bdec87$56f6d900$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:16 PM 9/30/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Yep, good ol' duct tape. If the ancient Pharaohs knew about >duct tape, I swear the Sphinx would still have a nose. :) Did you see the recent results from a test by heating/ventilating/air conditioning guys? Duct tape is not good for sealing ducts! but it's good for everything else, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:19:37 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22401 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011219.IAA22401@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A34F125022E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:19:30 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:19:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Hi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself - I've been riding since before I could walk, and I always ride - cars are only for weak people, like girls. I ride only the best, an Amazona. The bike is an icon, worshipped by many. If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer. They're so popular, there's a waiting list - which proves that they're the best bikes in the world. Anything less is for pussies, the pussy-whipped, and girls. Women really love my Amazona - many times, complete strangers walk up and offer to perform kinky sex acts on me and my dog. What a bike! I like loud pipes 'cause I want people to hear me and notice me. Heck, I even installed a WWII air raid siren and keep it running all the time - I definitely get noticed, and it has saved me from many accidents. I also want to be seen - can't be too safe! I've installed wide-beam headlights 360 degrees around my bike, so brain dead cagers approaching from ANY angle can see me. To provide the electricity necessary, I mounted a car's alternator to my bike. Even so, when I switch on the lights I have to always keep the engine above 3,000 rpm or it stalls from the electrical load. I wear only the best - leather from bulls. I don't want anything from cows or castrated steers, that's for wimps. And girls. Helmets can kill, so I never wear a helmet. I wear the scars on my face as a badge of pride. But I'm still a member of the MSF to support motorcycle rights, the AMA to get good safety instruction, and ABATE to fight against the killer power lines over my house. So that's the way it is, if anyone disagrees with me then they're wimps, or girls. signed, Falk Yew From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:19:36 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22400 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011219.IAA22400@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A354125022E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:19:32 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:21:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Two Questions... In-Reply-To: <36127360.43C74557@tidalwave.net> References: <199809301752.NAA31069@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:07 PM 9/30/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Well, I guess I better stand up and apologize. This guy was looking >for folks to do long distance rides with from Alan Wheat's NOVA ride >list. I told him about this DC cycles list and (shudder) the long distance >riders list. I didn't realize he had an inferiority complex >the size of Texas about his bike and was gonna come in here and slam >everyone's ride but his own. I can't wait to see him try that s**t on LDrider! He'll get eaten alive. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:33:39 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22940 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011233.IAA22940@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A6A014A022E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:33:36 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:34:05 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Hi In-Reply-To: <004401bdecc4$6a9162e0$3080e2cf@demon> References: <002a01bdec8f$c5bfc600$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:48 PM 9/30/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Sadly, the only pair of gloves Angie could find that fit her have the HD >logo on them (yep, it was the last of about 20 stores we went to. And I >would have considered mail order, but it's too much of a hassle for >clothing) The best winter gloves I've ever owned are Harley gloves. I bought them from a Harley dealer, they say "Harley-Davidson" on them (with the little Registered mark). And they're made in Taiwan. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 08:38:30 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23029 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24138 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21344 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc2-s4.wizard.net (tc2-s4.wizard.net [206.161.15.80]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA30706; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:38:43 -0400 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita) To: "Mersch, Tom" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:43:14 -0400 Message-ID: <362175a8.1191071176@smtp.wizard.net> References: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F49@RBMAIL103> In-Reply-To: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F49@RBMAIL103> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:51:34 -0400 , "Mersch, Tom" wrote: > Here's a possibility from the NOVAMGR list. If the Harley, Harley, >Uber Alles guy is still on the list, ignore this as it involves a ride >designed by a FEMINIST (Anita) AIIIEEEEEE!!! :-)=20 Actually, the highlight of this ride is a feminist rally on the Mall.... JUST KIDDING! :-) =46or anyone who's curious... the ride is going to be about 200 miles, starting in Manassas and ending in Middleburg (by a very roundabout route!). I've managed to string together quite a few fun motorcycling roads... ones I picked up from other group rides or poker runs. This will be a moderate pace ride, and new riders are very welcome to join us.=20 If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:06:25 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24222 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOiR0-0003YE-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:06:18 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:05:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84904@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'leerider@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: JPB cliches Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:03:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Oh, and you missed one, sent to me privately: "If you were a REAL woman...." Hmm, I thought I was real. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Powell [SMTP:leerider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 5:06 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: JPB cliches > > In honor of the "Cream line forms to the right, ladies" Vietnam vet > who > was with us just long enough to make a memorable impression, I present > the "JPB cliches," cut and pasted as I read them. I probably missed a > bunch, and purposely left out all references to "feminists." > > louder pipes do save lives > > It may be trite, but nevertheless tru: If I have to explain it, ya > wouldna > understand. > > H-D is an American icon > > nothing feels, handles, looks, or sounds like a real motorcycle except > a > Harley > > punches aren't being pulled > > so if the shoe fits, wear it > > > To which I'd like to add: AMF > > Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:15:59 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24621 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18009; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:17:04 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5E3@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'leerider@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: JPB cliches Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:17:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain w/o trying to offend Tom..... Last time I looked, you definitely appeared to be a real woman to me... Then again, you weren't dressed in cutoff shorts, a fringed leather halter top, and a ratty bandana covering your hair... maybe you're not a real woman, J :) What were you thinking.. real women don't ride their own bike... they're always on the back of their ole man's bike as a status symbol he he he > Oh, and you missed one, sent to me privately: > > "If you were a REAL woman...." > > Hmm, I thought I was real. > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:18:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24649 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24685 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22318 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOicc-0004Qj-01; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:19 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:17:40 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84908@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Garcia Oliver'" , dc-cycle Subject: RE: Call me a feminist... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:15:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I LOVE THAT!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 12:50 AM > To: dc-cycle > Subject: Re: Call me a feminist... > > "I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only > > know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that > > differentiate me from a doormat." > > --Rebecca West, 1913 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:18:38 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24659 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id GAA26829 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:34 -0700 Message-Id: <33BDE0B29C07D211B12E0001FA68C7DF2AAD58@sw730x023.visa.com> From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hi! Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:18:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Heck, I even installed a WWII air raid siren > and keep it running all the time Chris - This part isn't totally deviod of merit...:-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:21:00 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24738 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOif7-0004ca-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:20:53 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:20:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84909@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:18:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I personally thought my VF 500 was a great starter bike, and it got recommended highly through people on this list, as well. However, I weigh about 120, so I don't know how your great football-player he-man weight might fare on the bike. ; ) - Jeannette > Snipped from other e-mails. Sorry guys I really disagree with you > guys on > this. All of the above mentioned bikes are NOT good beginner bikes. > The > only one I haven't ridden is the ZX-11 and I assume its not much > different > then the XX. All of these bikes are beasts and have WAY TO MUCH POWER > FOR A > BEGINNER. I think the Nighthawk is an excellent choice as is the > other > smaller bikes mentioned. > > Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:26:34 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25052 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 385; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:25:58 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:25:54 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Hi! In-Reply-To: <199810011219.IAA22401@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981001132557896.AAC238.385@vulture> At 08:19 AM 10/1/98 , Chris Norloff wrote: >Women really love my Amazona - many times, complete strangers walk up and >offer to perform kinky sex acts on me and my dog. What a bike! you too? i thought it was just MY Amazona. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Amazona 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:28:47 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25136 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18794 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5E6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:29:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Don't forget that Brian McCoy (all 6'3" 230 lbs of him) also had a VF500 and really loved it. He said it was a little low on power on other midsized bikes, but it really taught him how to be smooth through the corners. > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 9:28 AM > To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Another newbie > > I personally thought my VF 500 was a great starter bike, > I don't know how your great > football-player he-man weight might fare on the bike. ; ) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:37:56 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25569 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 335; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <361385B1.8EECFE17@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:37:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Mantakos , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Ruminations on Harley Davidsons and such References: <199810010425.AAA16994@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :-) :-) :-) Our esteemed and benevolent ListMaster wrote: > > When the day rolled around > when it was time to ride the Pacific Coast, I think I'd say "why'd > I have to buy so many damn motorcycles, any way". > So Harry, Comin' out to the Par-tay this time? Want to meet some of your frightening List Subjects face to face? ;-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:39:01 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25585 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOiwb-0006AG-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:38:57 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:38:19 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:36:15 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Last night I was headed home from school around 10PM speeding, like I usually do (no flames, please!! ; ) ) when I thought, "...you know I should slow down." Of course, after thinking that, I blow by a cop, he turns his lights headlights on & oh well... Lucky for me, though, he let me off with a WARNING!! I'm so thrilled!! That didn't happen last time!! ...and this was a Fairfax City cop, usually they're the worst. I guess the motorcycle gods were with me - I was going 46 in a 30...ugh...slowed down from 55. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:44:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25718 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25115 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22997 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnorton ([208.195.115.133] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA02337; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:47:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bded41$deca50e0$8573c3d0@bnorton> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , Subject: Re: Paging Art Crow....paging Art Crow... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:46:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Call him at his store, Riders Accessory Warehouse 703-241-0733 >Art, are you still lurking out there? If so, would you be so kind as to let me >know where you're hiding in this vast electronic landscape? Had a few >questions for you on some Givi stuff..... > >much obliged, > >-Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:45:48 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26030 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4BW057BF>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F4C@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hi! Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:49:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain HAHAHAHAHAHA :-) Please turn to page four in the Neanderthal handbook and everybody sing! : Oh Lord!, it's hard, to be humble, When you're perfect in eeevery way! > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:19 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Hi! > > Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself - > > I've been riding since before I could walk, and I always ride - cars are > only for weak people, like girls. I ride only the best, an Amazona. The > bike is an icon, worshipped by many. If you have to ask, you wouldn't > understand the answer. They're so popular, there's a waiting list - which > proves that they're the best bikes in the world. Anything less is for > pussies, the pussy-whipped, and girls. > > Women really love my Amazona - many times, complete strangers walk up and > offer to perform kinky sex acts on me and my dog. What a bike! > > I like loud pipes 'cause I want people to hear me and notice me. Heck, I > even installed a WWII air raid siren and keep it running all the time - I > definitely get noticed, and it has saved me from many accidents. > > I also want to be seen - can't be too safe! I've installed wide-beam > headlights 360 degrees around my bike, so brain dead cagers approaching > from ANY angle can see me. To provide the electricity necessary, I > mounted > a car's alternator to my bike. Even so, when I switch on the lights I > have > to always keep the engine above 3,000 rpm or it stalls from the electrical > load. > > I wear only the best - leather from bulls. I don't want anything from > cows > or castrated steers, that's for wimps. And girls. > > Helmets can kill, so I never wear a helmet. I wear the scars on my face > as > a badge of pride. > > But I'm still a member of the MSF to support motorcycle rights, the AMA to > get good safety instruction, and ABATE to fight against the killer power > lines over my house. > > So that's the way it is, if anyone disagrees with me then they're wimps, > or > girls. > > signed, > Falk Yew > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 09:54:44 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26114 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:53:10 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:51:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:53:29 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: jpierre-benoist@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Call me a feminist... -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> "George Howell" - 9/30/98 6:36 PM >>> > So--I'm a squid for riding a sportbike, I'm a poseur for riding a > Harley, Yes! Finally, someone who understands! > Joe '85 zx900, '72 Aermacchi/H-D 350 Sprint, '68 FLH How many of the faithful (such as the one so recently departed from the list) have ever heard of the paper boy bike? How many of them have less contempt for you than 'those AMF bastards'? Actually, the hard-core tattooed guys usually get a real kick out of the little beastie and the fact that I'd ride it to a biker haunt. It's the FLSTC Evo-with-200-miles-riding RUB johnnies-come-lately that get shit-all bent outta shape. Mr. Sprint seems to turn their neat little world upside down. --Joe ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:04:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26541 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25394 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23762 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA00585; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36138BCF.81ACF143@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:03:59 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , bgsbny@XXXXXX Subject: Our Pets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Through one way or another I have learned that I am not the only one on this list with reptiles. Most of the motorcyclists I know also have been into reptiles at one time or another. I guess it is cause we like things a little different than others. So if you got a reptile let us know. Jay Goddard 89 Hawk snow corn snake (Jackie Daniels) albino corn snake ( Jim Beam) Green Iguana (Jose' Cuervo) Boxer dog (Jagermiester) No I am not a Alcoholic the name thing started as a joke and went too far From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:11:20 1998 Return-Path: dbiser@XXXXXX Received: from wxserver.aws.com (aws.com [204.156.11.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26947 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jonjon.aws.com ([204.156.11.16]) by wxserver.aws.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA249 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:11:16 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:11:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDED23.CF2FDA60.dbiser@aws.com> From: dbiser@XXXXXX (Don Biser) Reply-To: "dbiser@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:11:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 13 TEXT Thanks to everybody for all of the info, boy, I guess I didn't realize there were so many different types/brands etc. I would like to respond to each of the e-mails individually but unfortunately I'd probably be fired, since I'm at work:-) But, I did get to read them all, and It looks like a lot of good choices! Also last night I went and looked at a Virago 750. It's an 82 with 12k miles. It seems as though it's in pretty good shape, although I'm not sure exactly what to look for. The guy want's $800 dollars. Is that a bad price? It also has RUMBLER pipes. ? (It just seemed a little louder to me) I was thinking maybe a bike like this might be better to start off with, rather than a more expensive/faster sport bike. Thanks again! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:13:47 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27023 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:12:09 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:09:59 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:12:18 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Hi! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline No, Falk Yew, you Amazonas rub creditcardbiker wannabee! You betray your newbieness with by saying that you installed a car alternator. Bull (or steer)! Any Amazonas rider worth beans knows that it already has a car alternator, courtesy of 1800cc of Brazilian Volkswagen thunder! Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, Pat Magroyn '81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:15:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27075 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25575 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24160 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-37-51.s51.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.51]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10197; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36138BE5.255E@erols.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:04:21 -0400 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paging Art Crow....paging Art Crow... References: <650671d5.3612ffe9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > Art, are you still lurking out there? If so, would you be so kind as to let me > know where you're hiding in this vast electronic landscape? Had a few > questions for you on some Givi stuff..... > > much obliged, > > -Sean Jordan riders@XXXXXX or 703-241-0733 RE GIVI: Does anyone out there have any kind of WRITTEN warranty from GIVI? Does anyone out there know (or think they know) what the GIVI warranty is? -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:15:20 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27077 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 350; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:14:42 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:14:35 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981001141442014.AAA238.350@vulture> Its just 'cause you are a pretty lady. You surprised the officer when you took off your helmet, shook out your hair, batted your eyes and said 'Yes officer? Was i doing something wrong? This is my boyfriend's bike.....' note the sarcasm. :-) All the cops around here are on operation shark something or other. Attacking agressive drivers for speeding, blowing stop signs, etc. You are pretty lucky that the nice officer didnt ticket you considering this A.D. campaign. At 09:36 AM 10/1/98 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Last night I was headed home from school around 10PM speeding, like I >usually do (no flames, please!! ; ) ) >when I thought, "...you know I should slow down." Of course, after >thinking that, I blow by a cop, he turns his lights headlights on & oh >well... Lucky for me, though, he let me off with a WARNING!! I'm so >thrilled!! That didn't happen last time!! >...and this was a Fairfax City cop, usually they're the worst. I guess >the motorcycle gods were with me - I was going 46 in a 30...ugh...slowed >down from 55. > >- Jeannette > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:16:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27094 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25593 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24188 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port57.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.57]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08380 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36138CB9.62CB@radix.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:07:53 -0400 From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Reply-To: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Our Pets References: <36138BCF.81ACF143@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jay goddard wrote: > > Through one way or another I have learned that I am not the > only one on this list with reptiles. So if you got a reptile let > us know. Me too.. I have a couple of diamond/carpet cross pythons named Moki and Bagera. I've had them since they were baby wigglers. They're going on 5 foot now. I'm actually looking for a good home for them. They come with a furniture quality enclosure. Anyone interested? Dawn -- *=====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *=====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:17:39 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27366 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:49:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:49:13 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >snip >>> Chris Norloff 10/01/98 08:19AM >>> Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself -=20 signed, Falk Yew >snip Personally I prefer, "Yuck Fou". Saw it on a license plate once. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:18:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27388 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25640 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24309 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:51:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:51:31 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: merscht@XXXXXX, 2xracers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'd love to join you this weekend but, unfortunately I will be in Vegas = with the Exup-Brotherhood tearing up the town. Maybe next time. Scooter >>> Anita <2xracers@XXXXXX> 10/01/98 08:43AM >>> On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:51:34 -0400 , "Mersch, Tom" wrote: > Here's a possibility from the NOVAMGR list. If the Harley, = Harley, >Uber Alles guy is still on the list, ignore this as it involves a ride >designed by a FEMINIST (Anita) AIIIEEEEEE!!! :-)=20 Actually, the highlight of this ride is a feminist rally on the Mall.... JUST KIDDING! :-) For anyone who's curious... the ride is going to be about 200 miles, starting in Manassas and ending in Middleburg (by a very roundabout route!). I've managed to string together quite a few fun motorcycling roads... ones I picked up from other group rides or poker runs. This will be a moderate pace ride, and new riders are very welcome to join us.=20 If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:18:11 1998 Return-Path: cgee1@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27395 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8490 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 1998 14:17:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19981001141735.8489.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.114.156.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:17:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.114.156.164] From: "Christopher Gee" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Excelsior-Henderson Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:17:35 PDT Good morning, gang. I don't know how many finance types there are out there, but last night on the "Business Center" program on CNBC there was a report about Excelsior-Henderson. The report began by talking about the resurrection of the traditional name, etc. It stated that aging baby- boomers are driving the cruiser market, which has grown by 12% per year for the last 6 years, and Harley-Davidson has 50% of this market. The report talked about the illustrious history of the E-H name earlier this century -- how it was the first bike to break 100mph, first bike to be ridden around the world, and Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford owned E-H's. But then, in the early 30's, the company's owner (Schwinn, the bicycle manufacturer) shut down because of the Depression. Two brothers, Dan and Dave Hanlon, scooped up the name recently after the trademark protection ran out. The Hanlons raised $15 million from "CEO bike enthusiasts with deep pockets," according to the report, and designed and built a prototype. Then they raised $30 million in an IPO in summer of 1997 and built a factory in Minnesota. They are expecting to generate small revenues this year, hopefully shipping in the fall, and project revenues of $60-70 million in 1999, aiming to capture 4-5% market share - not necessarily taking on Harley head-to-head, but trying to scalp a small piece of what they see as a growing pie. The Super-X is the model they are producing, and it is slated to retail around $18,000. Interest has been growing since the IPO, and the company started a waiting list which the report stated now contains 20,000 names. Excelsior-Henderson trades on the Nasdaq exchange, under the symbol BIGX. Flamer Disclaimer: I don't care what kind of bike you ride, I don't condone or condemn cruisers, I just thought it would be interesting to relay a motorcylcing report from the business press. I did not research the story, I am just repeating what they reported. If you have a problem with the content, call CNBC, don't bug me or the list. cheers, Christopher red F3 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:20:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27431 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25700 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24388 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22097; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:21:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5E9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'jay goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bgsbny@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Our Pets Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:21:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well, we've had quite a few, but now we're down to not that many .... :) Animal Name Nile Monitor TAG! (your it..named for vicious tail whipping ..and the bruises it left...as a juvenile) Black&White Tegu Spike (cause it has none) Golden Tegu Chomp (cuase it is the meanest damn animal I've ever seen, with razor sharp teeth that cut my pinky to the bone when it was a baby) 3 Leaopard Geckos Un-named recent additions 2 Ball Pythons Un-named, cause we're lazy Chesapeake Bay Retriever Peaches During our vacation this summer, our inlaws were taking care of the pets and didn't get one of the cage lids back on properly... We lost our favorite snake, and adult albino corn snake named Hoppy...i still haven't searched all the nooks and crannies yet, so he may still be in the house, but I doubt it.. Collin& Penny (they were her idea...i used to be terrified) > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:12 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; bgsbny@XXXXXX > Subject: Our Pets > > So if you got a reptile let us > know. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:23:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27513 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25731 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24479 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOjd1-0002Se-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:22:47 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:22:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jay goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bgsbny@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Our Pets Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:20:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Collin!!?? : ) > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; bgsbny@XXXXXX > Subject: Our Pets > > Through one way or another I have learned that I am not the only one > on > this list with reptiles. Most of the motorcyclists I know also have > been into reptiles at one time or another. I guess it is cause we > like > things a little different than others. So if you got a reptile let us > know. > > Jay Goddard > 89 Hawk > snow corn snake (Jackie Daniels) > albino corn snake ( Jim Beam) > Green Iguana (Jose' Cuervo) > Boxer dog (Jagermiester) > > No I am not a Alcoholic the name thing started as a joke and went too > far From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:26:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27526 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25800 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24590 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 369; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:12 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:26:09 -0400 To: jay goddard , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , bgsbny@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Our Pets In-Reply-To: <36138BCF.81ACF143@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981001142612787.AAA238.369@vulture> Wow. I have a green iguana named Nietzsche. I just set up a news group for Iguanas yesterday (we are ISP) at rec.iguanas. Nietz is 7 years old, 3.5 feet long and just had an operation to remove a mass from his abdomin. If there are any other reptile owners out there, I'd like to know. At 10:03 AM 10/1/98 , jay goddard wrote: >Through one way or another I have learned that I am not the only one on >this list with reptiles. Most of the motorcyclists I know also have >been into reptiles at one time or another. I guess it is cause we like >things a little different than others. So if you got a reptile let us >know. > >Jay Goddard >89 Hawk >snow corn snake (Jackie Daniels) >albino corn snake ( Jim Beam) >Green Iguana (Jose' Cuervo) >Boxer dog (Jagermiester) > >No I am not a Alcoholic the name thing started as a joke and went too >far > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:28:59 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27876 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25827 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24656 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256690.004F56DB ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256690.004F3913.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Hi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline And then there is the one that I saw directed at Newt Gingrich, which was "Nuck Fewt". From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:29:40 1998 Return-Path: linda.tanner@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27901 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA15966 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA18188 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.arl.mci.com ([166.44.166.149]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001142742.BKKO18768@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:27:42 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Hi! Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bded47$a1f08f80$95a62ca6@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199810011219.IAA22401@meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This is priceless. Too bad our Johnny-come-lately-and-gone can't see it. My hat's (helmet) is off to you, Chris. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (50K and counting) Q: Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? PAUL LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles so easily. Chris Norloff Said: Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself - From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:30:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27952 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25865 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24742 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:36 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WFFRa13872 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56d6a595.361391eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Our Pets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/1/98 10:10:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, goddardj@XXXXXX writes: << Jay Goddard 89 Hawk snow corn snake (Jackie Daniels) albino corn snake ( Jim Beam) Green Iguana (Jose' Cuervo) Boxer dog (Jagermiester) >> Im the owner of a 4 ft baby albino Burmese python named Princess. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:32:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27970 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25880 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.attws.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24771 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA05346; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06891; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA23484; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:33 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA23471; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:31 -0700 Received: by HQ-MSG04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:31:28 -0700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Donnie, I just bought the same bike for my brother: a gray 1982 Virago 750 with 11K miles for $600. It needs new brakes and the battery keeps dying. Plus someone knocked the poor thing over in the parking lot so now it needs a new brake lever. Thank goodness my brother is good at fixing things. This bike should keep him busy. :-) Before the brake level broke off I rode it and thought, "Hmm, I thought this would have more power since it's a 750 and I'm use to riding a 450." Maybe it's not zippy since it's an older, heavier bike. Or maybe it's a crappy bike. Not sure yet. Dale, care to chime in since you've had lots of experience with the Virago? - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > -----Original Message----- > From: dbiser@XXXXXX [SMTP:dbiser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:11 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: > > Thanks to everybody for all of the info, boy, I guess I didn't realize > there > were so many different types/brands etc. > I would like to respond to each of the e-mails individually but > unfortunately > I'd probably be fired, since I'm at work:-) > But, I did get to read them all, and It looks like a lot of good choices! > Also last night I went and looked at a Virago 750. It's an 82 with 12k > miles. > It seems as though it's in pretty good shape, although I'm not sure > exactly > what to look for. The guy want's $800 dollars. 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M``````````(!<0`!````&P````&][4`!T.`0````$`````````'@`U$`$```!`````/$(Y,30T M-#E"04$T1$0R,3$X-$8U,#`X,#5&14$S.#0Y-SE".$!H<2UM.$!H<2UM; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26108 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25317 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:42:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bded4a$1ee48ee0$2080e2cf@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <6f17eefe.361357d3@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal >From that perspective, they are PERFECT. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:22 AM > To: ghowell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Another newbie > > > In a message dated 9/30/98 11:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ghowell@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Disagree about the Buell's. Too much torque, and too grippy > stoppers for a > ham-fisted newbie. > >> > Well, i have never ridden one so you are probably right. It's the way they > look, if you drop one how can you tell its been dropped? > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:53:38 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28924 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6TXTa13873; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11b6d228.36139738@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:40 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Once I got pulled over by a motorcycle riding CHP who said later (when I met him in a totally different context and he remembered me) that he pulled me over because I was a girl. I was going 68 in a 55. It really made me mad when he told me that. The ticket cost be a hundred bucks or so, plus a point on my license. Of course, I was speeding, but heck, I wasn't the fastest vehicle in sight on that road at that moment. I wasn't even going fast enough to be in the left lane. On the other hand, I got pulled over this summer after I sped through a sleepy Minnesota town at about 15mph over the posted speed. I gave the cop my MSF instructor card and told him that if he wrote me the ticket, I might have a hard time keeping my job. He had to think about it for a long time (he was very young and likely had never let an out of state speeder off the hook before), but he didn't write a ticket. hee hee. Gosh, I guess I better teach a couple of classes next year so I can get that card renewed... Colleen >Its just 'cause you are a pretty lady. You surprised the officer when you >took off your helmet, shook out your hair, batted your eyes and said 'Yes >officer? >Was i doing something wrong? This is my boyfriend's bike.....' > >note the sarcasm. :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 10:54:55 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28934 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011454.KAA28934@meretrix.com> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A7BA73029E; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:54:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:56:32 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... In-Reply-To: <19981001141442014.AAA238.350@vulture> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:14 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >All the cops around here are on operation shark something or other. >Attacking agressive >drivers for speeding, blowing stop signs, etc. I think the newspaper reported Fairfax county issued 1800 citation last month for Aggressive Driving. About half were for speeding and the next highest category (about 11%) were for disobeying traffic signs. With all the tailgating, weaving, and cutting people off around here, I find it hard to believe that their biggest category after speeding was disobeying traffic signs, and that was only 1 out 10 people they caught. I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of what constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:01:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29336 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26385 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26459 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:01:40 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WNZWa13872 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:00:59 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Header welder needed!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 One of the header joints on my TL broke clean off and Suzuki won't replace it under warranty because it _may_ have been caused by crash damage. That's bullshit but oh well. Anyway, Im looking for a local steel welder to redo the joint. I am looking to pay no more than $50 since it is a rather small job. I tried the phone book but found out that most local welders are welders on the side and got a lot of answering machines. My biggest priority is that I want someone who I can schedule an appointment with and bring the bike in and have it done in an hour or so all while waiting. Most places were telling me the leave the bike and all. I dont trust a welder moving my baby around so no dice there. This is a priority since my Yosh exhaust cans are coming on Monday! If you know of anyone who welds (and does a good job) or any suggestions, let me know ASAP! Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:22:29 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00330 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQGY6XVG; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:22:15 EDT To: leerider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ruminations on Harley Davidsons and such Message-ID: <19981001.031552.8135.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199810010425.AAA16994@dirtydog.meretrix.com> <36135003.5E4C@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:22:15 EDT Now that I know what LOL means, I can use it. The following made me LOL: On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 05:48:51 -0400 Lee Powell writes: >Harry Mantakos wrote: >> I like to wave to them. > >Don't ever wave when you're on a Harley. I think it must void the >warranty or something. That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:34:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00731 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26850 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27944 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA14815; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA16416; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001152600.CBWJ18768@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:26:00 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , , Subject: RE: Newbie bike, or something for the commuter Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:25:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bded4f$ab7f7c20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <004f01bdeced$72c417e0$1980e2cf@demon> Importance: Normal Yeah, but George, it was an Eliminator, a Kawasaki. If you want a 'real motorcycle', buy a Honda. (ducking, covering....;) Todd George Howell wrote: > That's still a crap price. For a two year old bike, $400 off ain't much. > Even on my Eliminator that was only a one year unsold bike, I got > $1000 off. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:45:40 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01234 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQG2G2SK; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:45:14 EDT To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi! -Reply Message-ID: <19981001.033844.8135.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-12 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:45:14 EDT >Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, > >Pat Magroyn >'81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) Pat? Is that you?! It's me, our long-lost brother, Holden! I've been travelling the country with our east indian friend Mahatma Kote! That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:46:58 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01244 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA11585; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001154617.CHPC18768@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:46:17 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bded52$811b67c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> Importance: Normal Naw, he proly let you go 'cause you didn't lay any of that feminist shit on him! ...as Collin Fagen is want to say, he he he he! ;P Todd > Last night I was headed home from school around 10PM speeding, like I > usually do (no flames, please!! ; ) ) > when I thought, "...you know I should slow down." Of course, after > thinking that, I blow by a cop, he turns his lights headlights on & oh > well... Lucky for me, though, he let me off with a WARNING!! I'm so > thrilled!! That didn't happen last time!! > ...and this was a Fairfax City cop, usually they're the worst. I guess > the motorcycle gods were with me - I was going 46 in a 30...ugh...slowed > down from 55. > > - Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 11:55:04 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01627 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:53:37 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:51:25 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:54:28 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi! -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Holden, Sorry I've been out of touch for so long. Last september I hooked up with Harry Balszak (you remember what a freak he was) and next thing I knew I woke up in some fleabag in Matamoros with a huge Amazonas tattoo on my ass. Had to ride standing up for the next four days--thank god for the floorboards and cruise control. Keep in touch, Pat >>> Bikes R Us - 10/1/98 11:45 AM >>> >Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, > >Pat Magroyn >'81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) Pat? Is that you?! It's me, our long-lost brother, Holden! I've been travelling the country with our east indian friend Mahatma Kote! That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 12:17:32 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02600 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA20504; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001152558.CBWD18768@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:25:58 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Another Newbie Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bded4f$aabdb2c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3612D6D9.F6A826F3@bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal Indeed, and aside from Brians yellow Nighthawk, you can take a gander at my black one. I'll even point you to where the pegs get touched down quite often, sons the grinder protrusions :) Todd Brian wrote: > I would have to recommend the Honda Nighthawk 750. Biased opinion - I > picked up my 1996 for $4500 with 170 miles on the odo from Atlantic > Cycle and I creak the scale at 240 lbs. Here's looking forward to meeting some more of the listers at > Todd's on the 24th! > Brian > Yellow Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 12:29:21 1998 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03065 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomspc.mindspring.com (user-38lc40g.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.16.16]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11698 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981001122810.006bdc8c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:28:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... In-Reply-To: <199810011454.KAA28934@meretrix.com> References: <19981001141442014.AAA238.350@vulture> <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA8490D@BADGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Last week with Operation Road Shark Fairfax County Police wrote 2900 tickets of which 895 were for speeding. Most of the tickets were written on the beltway. On the way out to my mom's to close the deal on her house I saw that VA State had used a Jeep Cherokee(not the big one like they used to use) to nab a guy. Also saw FFX Co with a very unassuming Crown Vic... complete with hub caps, white walls, no antenae, and baseball caps concealing the lights. Looked like a grand parents car. Gotta be careful out there folks! -Tom At 10:56 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >At 10:14 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: >>All the cops around here are on operation shark something or other. >>Attacking agressive >>drivers for speeding, blowing stop signs, etc. > >I think the newspaper reported Fairfax county issued 1800 citation last >month for Aggressive Driving. About half were for speeding and the next >highest category (about 11%) were for disobeying traffic signs. > >With all the tailgating, weaving, and cutting people off around here, I >find it hard to believe that their biggest category after speeding was >disobeying traffic signs, and that was only 1 out 10 people they caught. > >I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick >through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of what >constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 12:35:50 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03216 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQG5C364; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:35:30 EDT To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi! -Reply -Reply-reply Message-ID: <19981001.042903.7823.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-11,13-36 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:35:30 EDT I'll bet that tattoo looks great when you wear your leather chaps with no pants underneath. DId you know that a couple of our old friends from back home have written books? "Strange Marks in the Sand" by Peter Dragon "Cat Obedience Training for Nudists" by Claude Bahls That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:54:28 -0400 JOE NAGY writes: >Holden, >Sorry I've been out of touch for so long. Last september I hooked up >with Harry Balszak (you remember what a freak he was) and next thing I >knew I woke up in some fleabag in Matamoros with a huge Amazonas >tattoo >on my ass. Had to ride standing up for the next four days--thank god >for the floorboards and cruise control. >Keep in touch, >Pat > >>>> Bikes R Us - 10/1/98 11:45 AM >>> >>Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, >> >>Pat Magroyn >>'81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) > >Pat? Is that you?! It's me, our long-lost brother, Holden! I've been >travelling the country with our east indian friend Mahatma Kote! > > >That's my 2 pennies worth... > >--Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 12:39:53 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03516 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01449 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:41:05 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5EF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: fw: for sale Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:41:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain This found on the classifieds at roadracers.com (streetbike section) The GS500 is a really good starter bike with a lot of potential... I don't know anything about it other than what the ad says..ask them questions, not me Collin [ ] 94 Suzuki GS500 From: david_sims@XXXXXX Date: 9/30/98 Time: 8:47:51 AM Remote Name: 206.2.177.5 Comments 8000 mi. nice beginner bike or excellent for the female spouse. Purple paint. $2000.00 neg. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 13:04:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04491 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28429 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02142 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 279; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:03:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3613B620.59E91BCB@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:04:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , Don Biser CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Dale, care to chime in since you've had lots of experience with the > Virago? Well, I still get the cold shivers thinking about the last one. :( Donnie, In my opinion, taken for what it's worth, there are LOTS and LOTS of great old UJM's out there for sale cheap, that are reliable, and are bargains for the money. However, I don't think an 82 Virago 750 is one of 'em. It was the first model year, and it took them a few years to get everything sorted out. Had one, bought it for the wife, hated it, had way too many problems, sold it to another lister, and now he (Garcia) doesn't talk to me anymore (or maybe he's just the quiet type). :( Weak starter motor, crappy awful sounding starter gears, useless rear monoshock can't hold air and knocks bike off sidestand when it sags too low (Ursulina, your bike might have fallen over all by itself, mine used to). The buckhorn handlebars are a joke, too. For what it's worth, when it started (which wasn't often) and held air in the rear shock, the ride was nice, the engine was fairly strong, but you hit redline awfully quickly, shaft drive was a plus, but their were way too many minuses. I'd say keep looking. Better bikes are out there. Horkster > Donnie, > > I just bought the same bike for my brother: a gray 1982 Virago 750 with 11K > miles for $600. It needs new brakes and the battery keeps dying. Plus > someone knocked the poor thing over in the parking lot so now it needs a new > brake lever. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 13:04:59 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04501 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:03:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:03:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) You hit it on the head. All the cops consider to be "aggressive" is speeding that's why I consider this aggressive driving thing a joke. The cops don't even know what it is. Glenn > I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick > through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of what > constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 13:16:48 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05049 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4BW703D5>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:15:56 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F4F@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'bike.dealer@XXXXXX'" , NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hi! -Reply -Reply-reply Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:21:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Honestly, this should have been left "Along the Purple River" by I. P. Peculiar > -----Original Message----- > From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX [SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 12:36 PM > To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hi! -Reply -Reply-reply > > I'll bet that tattoo looks great when you wear your leather chaps with no > pants underneath. DId you know that a couple of our old friends from back > home have written books? > > "Strange Marks in the Sand" by Peter Dragon > "Cat Obedience Training for Nudists" by Claude Bahls > > > That's my 2 pennies worth... > > --Bikes R Us-- > > On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:54:28 -0400 JOE NAGY > writes: > >Holden, > >Sorry I've been out of touch for so long. Last september I hooked up > >with Harry Balszak (you remember what a freak he was) and next thing I > >knew I woke up in some fleabag in Matamoros with a huge Amazonas > >tattoo > >on my ass. Had to ride standing up for the next four days--thank god > >for the floorboards and cruise control. > >Keep in touch, > >Pat > > > >>>> Bikes R Us - 10/1/98 11:45 AM >>> > >>Guys like Yew make me wanna puke, > >> > >>Pat Magroyn > >>'81 Amazonas DeForestrator (the only REAL bike) > > > >Pat? Is that you?! It's me, our long-lost brother, Holden! I've been > >travelling the country with our east indian friend Mahatma Kote! > > > > > >That's my 2 pennies worth... > > > >--Bikes R Us-- > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 13:27:37 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05544 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4BW703HT>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F51@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:32:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Don't know, and don't care -- there's a media hype circus (probably some commie conspiracy ;) going on about "aggressive driving" and "road rage" as though it is the way we drive in Washington, so the local LEAs will divert too many resources to supposedly combat aggressive driving, and all that will be accomplished is more tickets written for what is not really aggressive driving. Think we ought to drop the "aggressive" part and just stick with "dangerous" -- who gives a cheese if someone is being aggressive as long as it is not dangerous? I was almost run into the center median on 16th St NW yesterday by a guy in a couldn't-get-out-of-it's-own-way small pickup truck, who very non-aggressively just kept right on moseying into my lane with me almost right next to him. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 1:03 PM > To: 'Chris Norloff'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... > > You hit it on the head. All the cops consider to be "aggressive" is > speeding that's why I consider this aggressive driving thing a joke. The > cops don't even know what it is. > > Glenn > > > > > I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick > > through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of > what > > constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:01:36 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07007 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:59:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FW: European bike shootout Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:59:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Forwarded to me from someone else on the list. Thought it might be of interest to others. Glenn > From the VFR List: > > Given the recent talk comparing the VFR-800 to other bikes, I thought it > might be interesting to post the results of a multi bike endurance > shoot-out > in which the VFR-800 was a participant. The information presented here is > taken from the Dutch magazine "Moto 73", September 1998. > > The tests were conducted over a three day period on the Misano race track > in > Italy. Participants were as follows: > > Yamaha YZF-R1, Yamaha YZF-600R, Ducati 916SPS, Suzuki GSXR-600, Suzuki > GSXR-750, Kawasaki ZX-9R, Kawasaki ZX-6R, Bimota SB6R, Honda VTR-1000, > Honda > VFR-800, Honda CB-500S, Triumph Speed Triple. > > The article is quite lengthy, and for that reason I'll only reprint what I > consider to be the most interesting statistics, as well as how each bike > was > rated at the end of the race. > > Best lap times: > > YZF-R1 1.4542 > 916SPS 1.4563 > GSXR-600 1.4641 > ZX-9R 1.4712 > ZX-6R 1.4747 > SB6R 1.4750 > GSXR-750 1.4757 > VTR-1000 1.4782 > YZF-600R 1.4824 > VFR-800 1.4908 > Speed Triple 1.4923 > CB-500S 1.5865 > > Top speeds achieved on track: > > SB6R 251.77 KM/hour > YZF-R1 249.45 KM/hour > 916SPS 248.96 KM/hour > ZX-9R 247.73 KM/hour > GSXR-750 242.87 KM/hour > ZX-6R 231.09 KM/hour > VTR-1000 228.34 KM/hour > GSXR-600 226.64 KM/hour > YZF-600R 226.64 KM/hour > Speed Triple 214.55 KM/hour > VFR-800 210.43 KM/hour > CB-500S 177.09 KM/hour > > Riders impressions: > > GSXR-600 motor: 8.8, stability: 9.1, handling: 9.4, brakes: 9.1 > GSXR-750 motor: 9.4, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.8, brakes: 9.2 > VTR-1000 motor: 7.8, stability: 7.9, handling: 8.5, brakes: 8.0 > SB6R motor: 9.1, stability: 8.0, handling: 6.9, brakes: 7.1 > YZF-600R motor: 8.2, stability: 8.3, handling: 8.3, brakes: 7.4 > YZF-R1 motor: 10.0, stability: 8.6, handling: 9.3, brakes: 8.9 > Speed Triple motor: 8.5, stability: 8.1, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 > ZX-6R motor: 9.5, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.7, brakes: 8.5 > VFR-800 motor: 7.8, stability: 6.6, handling: 7.3, brakes: 7.3 > CB-500S motor: 6.7, stability: 7.1, handling: 8.0, brakes: 7.2 > 916SPS motor: 9.5, stability: 9.7, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 > ZX-9R motor: 10.0, stability: 8.1, handling: 7.6, brakes: 8.2 > > The winner of the three day marathon, somewhat surprisingly, was the > Suzuki > GSXR-600, with the VFR-800 coming in 9th. Though the GSXR-600 didn't have > the most formidable engine, many factors such as gasoline consumption, > number of tire replacements, brake pad replacements, etc., robbed the > bigger > bikes of their expected top place finishes. The monster motor of the > YZF-R1, > for instance, caused so much wear on the rear tire that it required 5 tire > changes to the GSXR-600's two. > > The inclusion of the CB-500S seems to have been someone's idea of a joke. > I > don't believe they were ever imported into the U.S., but for those > interested, the CB-500S is a 499 cc liquid cooled parallel twin with a > bikini fairing. It should come as no surprise that a bike so hopelessly > outmatched should come in last. Similarly, the VFR-800 "sport tourer" was > not in the same league with the other bikes in this event, and placed near > the bottom in almost every comparison. Sorry guys.... > > Andrew Ward > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:02:09 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07188 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: European bike shootout Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:00:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) And another's view, not mine. Glenn > I did a lot of snipping then added my own comments... > > > > > >From the VFR List: > > Best lap times: > > > > YZF-R1 1.4542 > > CB-500S 1.5865 > > > Interesting to note that the worst bike was still within two tenths > of a second of the fastest bike on this particular track (must have been a > tight one). And there are still some out there who claim it's the bike > not > the rider.. harumph > > > > Top speeds achieved on track: > > > > SB6R 251.77 KM/hour > > CB-500S 177.09 KM/hour > > > Quite a bit of a difference.... it definitley must have been a tight > track with very short straights. > > > Riders impressions: > > > > GSXR-600 motor: 8.8, stability: 9.1, handling: 9.4, brakes: 9.1 > > GSXR-750 motor: 9.4, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.8, brakes: 9.2 > > VFR-800 motor: 7.8, stability: 6.6, handling: 7.3, brakes: 7.3 > > 916SPS motor: 9.5, stability: 9.7, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 > > ZX-9R motor: 10.0, stability: 8.1, handling: 7.6, brakes: 8.2 > > > Interesting stability ratings... I've never been on the VFR 800, > but I'm guessing it's not too far off from the 94-97 models.. The 94 I > rode > was very stable.... and comparing that to my 97 GSXR... how in the world > does the bone jarring, neck breaking, head shaking 750 get an 8.8 in this > category compared to the VFR getting a 6.6!!! I don't think so...unless > it's a reverse scale :) > > No surprise that the Kow and the R1 got 10's on motor... Kawi has > always had super strong motors. > > Surprising to see sucha difference between the handling on the > GSXR600 and 750... The only difference in the two bikes is motor and very > slightly different forks on the 600... > > Gotta love those numbers on the 916!! Actually, why don't they just > call it what it is... an SPS model is a factory 996 with a lot of trick > parts to boot. And people bitch that the duc hasn't been changed in > several > years....WHY!! it looks like they've found a great thing and don't want > to > F*&$k it up... > > > The winner of the three day marathon, somewhat surprisingly, was the > > Suzuki > > GSXR-600, > > > Not too surprising here... For the things that it appears this test > looked at, the 600 is a great machine. It's nearly identical to the 750, > jsut a bit less power, but it has better front forks...probably eats fewer > tires than the 750 as well.... > > > > The inclusion of the CB-500S seems to have been someone's idea of a > joke. > > > In the overall category, it looks out of it's league, but I still > like the track times section that show it right there with all the big > boys... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:03:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07268 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29531 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05120 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01404; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:00:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: Art Crow cc: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GIVI [was: Paging Art Crow] In-Reply-To: <36138BE5.255E@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Art -- Good talking with you yesterday... BTW, I checked out GIVI's www site -- http://www.givi.it/ -- and it has *even less* information than those catalogs. Lame. -ph On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Art Crow wrote: > Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Art, are you still lurking out there? If so, would you be so kind as to let me > > know where you're hiding in this vast electronic landscape? Had a few > > questions for you on some Givi stuff..... > > > > much obliged, > > > > -Sean Jordan > > > riders@XXXXXX or 703-241-0733 > > > RE GIVI: Does anyone out there have any kind of WRITTEN warranty from > GIVI? Does anyone out there know (or think they know) what the GIVI > warranty is? > -- > Art Crow > 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" > 1996 JRT, "Higgins" > "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is > better." > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:14:36 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07769 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07418 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5FB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: non-moto: Pets still Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:15:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on DC_Cycles has far too much in common... We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) We all love bikes A good number love guns and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been getting your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored of raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned a guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of him... I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in feeder mice/rats of a reasonable size... TIA Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:49:45 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09119 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 405; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:49:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:48:58 -0400 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5FB@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I didnt know we were all gun nuts too. Wow. I fit into all the categories. Like a square peg..... There is a good feeder store on Braddock Road near GMU. I forget the name of it, I think it is twin lakes shopping center, but I could be wrong. Anyway - its the one 1/2 between mason and the beltway with the ABC store and a pool hall or Outback Steakhouse. I used to buy all my pinkies there..... At 02:15 PM 10/1/98 , Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on >DC_Cycles has far too much in common... >We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) >We all love bikes >A good number love guns >and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! > > >A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been getting >your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored of >raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned a >guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of him... > >I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in feeder >mice/rats of a reasonable size... > >TIA >Collin > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 14:54:51 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09199 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id OAA11518 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256690.0067C6FF ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:53:31 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256690.0067C276.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:53:58 -0400 Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Geez, is that what you're feedin' the kids these days!?!? ;-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: non-moto: Pets still I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in feeder mice/rats of a reasonable size... TIA Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:03:56 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09695 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p106.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.106]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22101 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:02:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3613CE9F.7320@flash.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:49:03 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Excelsior-Henderson References: <19981001141735.8489.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Christopher Gee wrote: > They > are expecting to generate small revenues this year, hopefully > shipping in the fall, and project revenues of $60-70 million > in 1999, aiming to capture 4-5% market share - not necessarily > taking on Harley head-to-head, but trying to scalp a small > piece of what they see as a growing pie. The Super-X is the > model they are producing, and it is slated to retail around > $18,000. Christopher, Nice synopsis. Any American company that is going to build cruisers in THAT price range is competing directly with Harley. I wonder if E-H will use 40's technology too. Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:09:24 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10116 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:08:02 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:05:47 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:08:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Aw hell Collin, you don't need no store. I'll just shoot ya a buncha small rodents outta my back yard and ship 'em to ya. Joe Savage .22 over .410 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:14:16 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10225 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zOoB1-0006g1-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:14:11 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:13:31 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84925@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:11:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Do 2 pit bulls & 2 cats count(?) LOL - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still > > > > Geez, is that what you're feedin' the kids these days!?!? > ;-) > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:18:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10581 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 257; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3613D592.85DF4EC4@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:18:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles , Tracy Horstman Subject: Re: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together References: <000801bdeae8$7896c160$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > RSVP: > Please RSVP to me asap and indicate what you can bring. I'll get you > listed on the webpage so everyone can see what is already being > covered. Todd, RSVPing! The Lady Horkster and I will be there. She'll be on the Suzuki Savage, and I'll be on BugSlayer. I see we already have someone bringing lasagna, so I'll have to come up with some kind of goodies to fill the saddlebags with. MuwHahahh! Hmm. There's roadkill, or stuff the cats drag up to the doorstep, or maybe I can hunt around in the bottom of our deep-freezer . :-) Decisions, decisions. Lookin' forward to the Par-Tay! :-) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:22:13 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10670 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29871; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.187.136.56]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F0500KSLXSW86@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:22:40 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:19:21 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together To: Todd Peer , "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A7F5665@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain First, I must apologize for Dale (I do that alot) ~ he can get so strange. Since he cooked last time, I'm going to bring a desert since that's what I like to make. > ---------- > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:18 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: DC-Cycles; Tracy Horstman > Subject: Re: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > RSVP: > > Please RSVP to me asap and indicate what you can bring. I'll get you > > listed on the webpage so everyone can see what is already being > > covered. > > Todd, > > RSVPing! > > The Lady Horkster and I will be there. She'll be on the Suzuki > Savage, and I'll be on BugSlayer. I see we already have someone > bringing lasagna, so I'll have to come up with some kind of goodies to > fill the saddlebags with. MuwHahahh! Hmm. There's roadkill, or stuff > the cats drag up to the doorstep, or maybe I can hunt around in the > bottom of our deep-freezer . :-) Decisions, decisions. > > Lookin' forward to the Par-Tay! :-) > > Dale > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:24:07 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10704 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:24:01 EDT Message-Id: <199810011524.AA117572174@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still X-Mailer: Do 2 cats, a Bassett Hound, a Greyhound, 4 lovebirds, 3 parakeets, and a Cockatiel count? and that's just the ones we know about, Chris Norloff ************************************** Do 2 pit bulls & 2 cats count(?) LOL - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:36:14 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11199 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 (aln-63-185.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.185]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA13206 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3613CB59.E1B38070@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:35:05 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: MotoMag link X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <001c01bdec87$56f6d900$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > You're a strange puppy Dale. Now how are you gonna fix a drive shaft with a > rubber band and a popsickle stick while you're on the side of the road? ;) 1. Put the popsicle stick through the shaft where 'someone' forgot to put the connector bolt the last time he had it apart. 2. Use the rubberband to hold the stick in place so it doesn't fall out. Of course based on actual experience, I would recommend using an extra bolt from somewhere else on the bike, and using duct tape to hold it in place. Leon Former owner of a shaft drive Honda SilverWing and not a very meticulous mechanic. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:36:41 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11217 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA01120; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA31486; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981001193601.HQXB31405@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:36:01 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bded72$98059800$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A7F5665@EMSS09M05> Ok, What I'm gonna do is list you both and 'Desert'....Ok? Been missing you on the list Tracey. Since Dale took that cushy job with MCI, he's been dominating the list....even more than me! ;) T > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Tracy L [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:19 PM > To: Todd Peer; 'Dale Horstman' > Cc: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > First, I must apologize for Dale (I do that alot) ~ he can get so strange. > Since he cooked last time, I'm going to bring a desert since that's what I > like to make. > > > ---------- > > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:18 PM > > To: Todd Peer > > Cc: DC-Cycles; Tracy Horstman > > Subject: Re: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > > > RSVP: > > > Please RSVP to me asap and indicate what you can bring. I'll get you > > > listed on the webpage so everyone can see what is already being > > > covered. > > > > Todd, > > > > RSVPing! > > > > The Lady Horkster and I will be there. She'll be on the Suzuki > > Savage, and I'll be on BugSlayer. I see we already have someone > > bringing lasagna, so I'll have to come up with some kind of goodies to > > fill the saddlebags with. MuwHahahh! Hmm. There's roadkill, or stuff > > the cats drag up to the doorstep, or maybe I can hunt around in the > > bottom of our deep-freezer . :-) Decisions, decisions. > > > > Lookin' forward to the Par-Tay! :-) > > > > Dale > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 15:48:06 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11651 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id PAA19666 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256690.006CAC11 ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:46:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256690.006CA79D.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:47:24 -0400 Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've got a chocolate lab/sheppard mutt named "Moka" (hey, it was gonna be "kitty" or "Kool Aid" so ease back ;-) But I don't have a motorcycle anymore...like, am I even allowed on this list now?!?! :-) heh heh heh -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX Please respond to cnorloff@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Do 2 cats, a Bassett Hound, a Greyhound, 4 lovebirds, 3 parakeets, and a Cockatiel count? and that's just the ones we know about, Chris Norloff ************************************** Do 2 pit bulls & 2 cats count(?) LOL - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 17:04:38 1998 Return-Path: cgee1@XXXXXX Received: from torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15139 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f127.hotmail.com [207.82.251.6]) by torrentnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28637 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6244 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 1998 20:03:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19981001200337.6243.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.114.156.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:03:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.114.156.164] From: "Christopher Gee" To: leerider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Excelsior-Henderson Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:03:37 PDT Lee wrote: >Christopher, > >Nice synopsis. Any American company that is going to build cruisers in >THAT price range is competing directly with Harley. I wonder if E-H >will use 40's technology too. > >Lee yeah, i found Hanlon's comments about that a little disingenious -- the super-x model they showed looked exactly like a harley-davidson, even with the speedo on the gas tank. their stock is doing pretty well today, up 2.5% while the rest of the market is tanking. cheers, Christopher red F3 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:27:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18532 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03723 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14174 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:14 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , , Subject: RE: Newbie bike, or something for the commuter Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bded8a$b2a3f040$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <001001bded4f$ab7f7c20$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Yeah, but George, it was an Eliminator, a Kawasaki. If you want a 'real > motorcycle', buy a Honda. Yeah, yeah... FWIW, my dad thinks that the Eliminator is a modern day Mach III (his second bike, BTW) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:27:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18529 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03720 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14168 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Header welder needed!! Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bded8a$b1c9bce0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You might not want to come to St. Mary's Co. Maryland, but the best (and cheapest) welders I've ever seen are down here. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [mailto:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:01 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Header welder needed!! > > > One of the header joints on my TL broke clean off and Suzuki > won't replace it > under warranty because it _may_ have been caused by crash damage. That's > bullshit but oh well. Anyway, Im looking for a local steel > welder to redo the > joint. I am looking to pay no more than $50 since it is a rather > small job. > I tried the phone book but found out that most local welders are > welders on > the side and got a lot of answering machines. My biggest > priority is that I > want someone who I can schedule an appointment with and bring the > bike in and > have it done in an hour or so all while waiting. Most places > were telling me > the leave the bike and all. I dont trust a welder moving my baby > around so no > dice there. This is a priority since my Yosh exhaust cans are coming on > Monday! If you know of anyone who welds (and does a good job) or any > suggestions, let me know ASAP! > Thanks > Jack > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18978 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BREAa02329; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ce017c8.36140414@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:08 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: European bike shootout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/1/98 2:07:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << The tests were conducted over a three day period on the Misano race track > in > Italy. Participants were as follows: > >> I read the article in the original while I was in Italy for August holiday. The ZX-9R broke down and only ran part the first day. The times got progressively better for the bikes as the days wore on and the chassis set-up was optimized during the test. (Don Canet of Cycleworld, the only american mag tester there, who I spoke to after the test, can confirm it) In a similar mega-test done at the Nurenburgring by another Italian mag) the top three were the Ducati followed by the R-1 and then the ZX-9R, which in that test, hit the highest trap speed. By the way, the use of 10-1 for grading is based on Italian grade school grading of students where 10 is an A. ZX-9Rs are the only real motorcycles. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:49 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18980 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:18 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bded8a$b5c813a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3613D592.85DF4EC4@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'll be there. SWMBO will be there also (if her rib allows. It should be healed by then.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:51 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18982 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Christopher Gee" , , Subject: RE: Excelsior-Henderson Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bded8a$b4cc4e80$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981001200337.6243.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Correcting itself. The P/E ratio has been quite insane. Then there's those of us young enough to live out one or two market problems, and still retire at 65 (if invested now:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > their stock is doing pretty well today, up 2.5% while the rest > of the market is tanking. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:53 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18984 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Excelsior-Henderson Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bded8a$b38eec80$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3613CE9F.7320@flash.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not from what I understand. DOHC engine. Course, it has a springer front... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Powell [mailto:leerider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:49 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Excelsior-Henderson > > > > Christopher Gee wrote: > > They > > are expecting to generate small revenues this year, hopefully > > shipping in the fall, and project revenues of $60-70 million > > in 1999, aiming to capture 4-5% market share - not necessarily > > taking on Harley head-to-head, but trying to scalp a small > > piece of what they see as a growing pie. The Super-X is the > > model they are producing, and it is slated to retail around > > $18,000. > > Christopher, > > Nice synopsis. Any American company that is going to build cruisers in > THAT price range is competing directly with Harley. I wonder if E-H > will use 40's technology too. > > Lee > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 18:37:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18986 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:25:10 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bded8a$b0ef8980$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199810011454.KAA28934@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Follow the money. more money for speeding than 'failing to signal while changing lanes.' ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:57 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Ok, I Like Cops Now.... > > > At 10:14 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Michael Troutman wrote: > >All the cops around here are on operation shark something or other. > >Attacking agressive > >drivers for speeding, blowing stop signs, etc. > > I think the newspaper reported Fairfax county issued 1800 citation last > month for Aggressive Driving. About half were for speeding and the next > highest category (about 11%) were for disobeying traffic signs. > > With all the tailgating, weaving, and cutting people off around here, I > find it hard to believe that their biggest category after speeding was > disobeying traffic signs, and that was only 1 out 10 people they caught. > > I suppose a lot of it has to do with getting charges that will stick > through court, but it sure seems they're missing a large component of what > constitutes dangerous aggressive driving. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 19:24:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21132 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04329 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15377 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WITYa10655 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still - snake food Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I get mine in Alexandria at the Petsmart in Beacon Hill on Rt 1. $1 for mice.... Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 19:51:17 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22104 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id LFXQa02317 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8cbe0563.36141537@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:50:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/01/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Hello, I thought I was signed up for the regular list, not the digest. I can't open files that come to me as .mime Please help me fix the problem. Thanks ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 22:04:39 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27420 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnorton ([208.195.115.142] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00941 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: <007e01bdeda9$437a8200$8e73c3d0@bnorton> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Fw: European bike shootout Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:02:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >From the VFR List: Given the recent talk comparing the VFR-800 to other bikes, I thought it might be interesting to post the results of a multi bike endurance shoot-out in which the VFR-800 was a participant. The information presented here is taken from the Dutch magazine "Moto 73", September 1998. The tests were conducted over a three day period on the Misano race track in Italy. Participants were as follows: Yamaha YZF-R1, Yamaha YZF-600R, Ducati 916SPS, Suzuki GSXR-600, Suzuki GSXR-750, Kawasaki ZX-9R, Kawasaki ZX-6R, Bimota SB6R, Honda VTR-000, Honda VFR-800, Honda CB-500S, Triumph Speed Triple. The article is quite lengthy, and for that reason I’ll only reprint what I consider to be the most interesting statistics, as well as how each bike was rated at the end of the race. Best lap times: YZF-R1 1.4542 916SPS 1.4563 GSXR-600 1.4641 ZX-9R 1.4712 ZX-6R 1.4747 SB6R 1.4750 GSXR-750 1.4757 VTR-1000 1.4782 YZF-600R 1.4824 VFR-800 1.4908 Speed Triple 1.4923 CB-500S 1.5865 Top speeds achieved on track: SB6R 251.77 KM/hour YZF-R1 249.45 KM/hour 916SPS 248.96 KM/hour ZX-9R 247.73 KM/hour GSXR-750 242.87 KM/hour ZX-6R 231.09 KM/hour VTR-1000 228.34 KM/hour GSXR-600 226.64 KM/hour YZF-600R 226.64 KM/hour Speed Triple 214.55 KM/hour VFR-800 210.43 KM/hour CB-500S 177.09 KM/hour Riders impressions: GSXR-600 motor: 8.8, stability: 9.1, handling: 9.4, brakes: 9.1 GSXR-750 motor: 9.4, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.8, brakes: 9.2 VTR-1000 motor: 7.8, stability: 7.9, handling: 8.5, brakes: 8.0 SB6R motor: 9.1, stability: 8.0, handling: 6.9, brakes: 7.1 YZF-600R motor: 8.2, stability: 8.3, handling: 8.3, brakes: 7.4 YZF-R1 motor: 10.0, stability: 8.6, handling: 9.3, brakes: 8.9 Speed Triple motor: 8.5, stability: 8.1, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 ZX-6R motor: 9.5, stability: 8.8, handling: 8.7, brakes: 8.5 VFR-800 motor: 7.8, stability: 6.6, handling: 7.3, brakes: 7.3 CB-500S motor: 6.7, stability: 7.1, handling: 8.0, brakes: 7.2 916SPS motor: 9.5, stability: 9.7, handling: 9.0, brakes: 9.3 ZX-9R motor: 10.0, stability: 8.1, handling: 7.6, brakes: 8.2 The winner of the three day marathon, somewhat surprisingly, was the Suzuki GSXR-600, with the VFR-800 coming in 9th. Though the GSXR-600 didn’t have the most formidable engine, many factors such as gasoline consumption, number of tire replacements, brake pad replacements, etc., robbed the bigger bikes of their expected top place finishes. The monster motor of the YZF-R1, for instance, caused so much wear on the rear tire that it required 5 tire changes to the GSXR-600’s two. The inclusion of the CB-500S seems to have been someone’s idea of a joke. I don’t believe they were ever imported into the U.S., but for those interested, the CB-500S is a 499 cc liquid cooled parallel twin with a bikini fairing. It should come as no surprise that a bike so hopelessly outmatched should come in last. Similarly, the VFR-800 "sport tourer" was not in the same league with the other bikes in this event, and placed near the bottom in almost every comparison. Sorry guys.... Andrew Ward ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 1 22:17:12 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27919 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19952 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981001224124.006bc3ec@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:41:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Oh yeah... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow, the Maxim looks to be the deal of the decade for me... At first, it wouldn't fire at all when I cranked it over, but after i pulled the carbs I could tell why. Nice varnish and corrosion layer inside :( I did the el quicko clean job and re-installed them (about an hour total) and cranked it over... a few presses of the button and it fired right up. Took it a while to warm up and to blow some of the crap out of the carbs, but it settled down nicely. Took it out for a ride and all seems well. It's gonna need a new battery, but they're cheap. The tires are a bit old, but they'll get me through winter. Besides, this is gonna be my commuter bike. This way I'll be able to put nice sticky rubber on the EX and make it a weekend play toy! The only thing still "wrong" with the maxim is a leaky left fork seal which will be replaced soon (it's a simple enough job) cause it leaks right onto the only front disc :( making it a little harder to stop than it should and also a little rough in the front suspender department. I think Chris relly underestimated the condition of the bike... It's in a lot better shape than I expected...especially for having been stored outside with no attention for so long... I'll take some digital pics after work tomorrow if anyone's interested.... _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 06:47:13 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18554 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Header welder needed!! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:45:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Give us some names George. Seriously, I need some trailer rails made for a three rail trailer I have. After searching endlessly for them I'm going to have to have them made by a welder. Glenn > You might not want to come to St. Mary's Co. Maryland, but the best (and > cheapest) welders I've ever seen are down here. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 07:11:53 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19389 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-09.dial.nova.org (pm1-09.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.137]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA28602; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh yeah... Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:13:37 GMT Message-ID: <3615b538.988709041@beta.nova.org> References: <3.0.1.32.19981001224124.006bc3ec@pop.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981001224124.006bc3ec@pop.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:41:24 -0400, cfagan@XXXXXX wrote: >I think Chris relly underestimated the condition of the bike... It's in = a >lot better shape than I expected...especially for having been stored >outside with no attention for so long... I'll take some digital pics = after >work tomorrow if anyone's interested.... What for? To tease those of us who were just a couple minutes slower than you in contacting Chris? :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 07:25:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19918 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12526 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (known idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25316 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3.loudoun.com (external-modem-3-254.loudoun.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.2.1998.05.04.15.32) with SMTP id <0F07000ER6DE2P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:25:11 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman, LCSA" Subject: Re: Oh yeah... To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <002401bdedf7$763483a0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Priority: 3 Okay Collin, just keep rubbing our noses in it (grin). -----Original Message----- From: cfagan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:29 PM Subject: Oh yeah... >Wow, the Maxim looks to be the deal of the decade for me... >At first, it wouldn't fire at all when I cranked it over, but after i >pulled the carbs I could tell why. Nice varnish and corrosion layer inside >:( I did the el quicko clean job and re-installed them (about an hour >total) and cranked it over... a few presses of the button and it fired >right up. >Took it a while to warm up and to blow some of the crap out of the carbs, >but it settled down nicely. Took it out for a ride and all seems well. >It's gonna need a new battery, but they're cheap. The tires are a bit old, >but they'll get me through winter. Besides, this is gonna be my commuter >bike. This way I'll be able to put nice sticky rubber on the EX and make >it a weekend play toy! >The only thing still "wrong" with the maxim is a leaky left fork seal which >will be replaced soon (it's a simple enough job) cause it leaks right onto >the only front disc :( making it a little harder to stop than it should and >also a little rough in the front suspender department. >I think Chris relly underestimated the condition of the bike... It's in a >lot better shape than I expected...especially for having been stored >outside with no attention for so long... I'll take some digital pics after >work tomorrow if anyone's interested.... >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 07:28:27 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20230 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4CKX6WT5>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:27:40 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F53@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still -Reply Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:33:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Come and listen to muh story bout a man named Jed, a poor NOVA geek, barely kep his reptiles fed.... > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cfagan@XXXXXX; mike@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still -Reply > > Aw hell Collin, you don't need no store. I'll just shoot ya a buncha > small rodents outta my back yard and ship 'em to ya. > > Joe > Savage .22 over .410 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 07:50:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21118 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12776 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25898 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id HAA01921; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3614BC6D.AB1B01E4@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:43:41 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC5FB@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am about to make a big buy from a place called Cajun mice, Do yours eat frozen? They have good prices I am paying $20 for 100 pinkies. Let me know if you need there prices, I will be ordering on Monday. Jay Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on > DC_Cycles has far too much in common... > We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) > We all love bikes > A good number love guns > and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! > > A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been getting > your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored of > raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned a > guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of him... > > I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in feeder > mice/rats of a reasonable size... > > TIA > Collin From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 08:04:15 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21753 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13133 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26637 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4BW064RP>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F55@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:08:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Do you get cocktail sauce with that? > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:44 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still > > I am about to make a big buy from a place called Cajun mice, Do yours eat > frozen? They have good prices I am paying $20 for 100 pinkies. Let me > know if > you need there prices, I will be ordering on Monday. > > Jay > > Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > > Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on > > DC_Cycles has far too much in common... > > We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) > > We all love bikes > > A good number love guns > > and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! > > > > A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been > getting > > your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored > of > > raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned > a > > guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of > him... > > > > I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in > feeder > > mice/rats of a reasonable size... > > > > TIA > > Collin > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 08:42:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23370 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13501 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27471 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Oct 2 07:42 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA02618 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:42:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDEDE0.8AFE9800@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cold Weather Suits Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:41:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was noticing on the Joe Rocket web site, www.joerocket.com, that the full snowmobiling suits are the same MSRP as the bib pants. Has anyone considered wearing a full snowmobiling suit while riding? BTW, what gives with the price of $180 for bibs or a suit? It's *almost* as bad as a ski jacket. FWIW, ski jackets now start at around $300. Uggg! John Carver VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 08:43:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23380 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13513 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27481 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Oct 2 07:43 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA03154 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:43:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDEDE0.B6249570@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Changer Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey would somebody, (or Todd Peer I think), send me the address for payment on the tire changer? I was in delete mode yesterday due to the heat from all the Harley flames :-). Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 08:52:35 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23805 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13582 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27701 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Oct 2 07:52 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA05981 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:52:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDEDE1.F1A5A070@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:51:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) Thanks. John Carver 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:05:57 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24289 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13760 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27926 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-15.dial.nova.org (pm1-15.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.143]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00200 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Cold Weather Suits Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:07:41 GMT Message-ID: <3615cfe3.995536497@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:41:11 -0400, "Carver, John" wrote: >Has anyone considered wearing a full snowmobiling suit while riding? I've used a snowmobile suit before. They do an excellent job. I replaced mine with an electric vest though... Much less bulky for the same level of warmth. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:24:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25116 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13956 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28287 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zP5CE-0001Im-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:34 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:23:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84934@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'kirk@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cold Weather Suits Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:21:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wear the Gerbing electric jacket liner - it's awesome! - Jeannette > I've used a snowmobile suit before. They do an excellent job. I > replaced mine with an electric vest though... Much less bulky for the > same level of warmth. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:26:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25129 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13970 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28314 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zP5Dk-0001R7-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:08 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DA84935@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Shifting Problem Fixed Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:23:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for everyone's input about my shifting problem. Of course it just had to be something simple, the clutch lever was very loose (don't ask me, I don't know what was wrong)... Tom tightened it & voila! It was pretty comical trying to get to school the other night with a bike that wouldn't let me into 3rd gear at first... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:35:31 1998 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25611 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic116.cais.com [207.226.56.116]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25021 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981002093327.006ab394@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:33:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: Hi! In-Reply-To: <199810011219.IAA22401@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ROTFLMAO ! At 08:19 AM 10/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, I'm new to this area and just wanted to introduce myself - > >I've been riding since before I could walk, and I always ride - cars are >only for weak people, like girls. I ride only the best, an Amazona. The >bike is an icon, worshipped by many. If you have to ask, you wouldn't >understand the answer. They're so popular, there's a waiting list - which >proves that they're the best bikes in the world. Anything less is for >pussies, the pussy-whipped, and girls. > >Women really love my Amazona - many times, complete strangers walk up and >offer to perform kinky sex acts on me and my dog. What a bike! > >I like loud pipes 'cause I want people to hear me and notice me. Heck, I >even installed a WWII air raid siren and keep it running all the time - I >definitely get noticed, and it has saved me from many accidents. > >I also want to be seen - can't be too safe! I've installed wide-beam >headlights 360 degrees around my bike, so brain dead cagers approaching >from ANY angle can see me. To provide the electricity necessary, I mounted >a car's alternator to my bike. Even so, when I switch on the lights I have >to always keep the engine above 3,000 rpm or it stalls from the electrical >load. > >I wear only the best - leather from bulls. I don't want anything from cows >or castrated steers, that's for wimps. And girls. > >Helmets can kill, so I never wear a helmet. I wear the scars on my face as >a badge of pride. > >But I'm still a member of the MSF to support motorcycle rights, the AMA to >get good safety instruction, and ABATE to fight against the killer power >lines over my house. > >So that's the way it is, if anyone disagrees with me then they're wimps, or >girls. > >signed, >Falk Yew > > > > > > > 98 ZX 900R "Loki" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:36:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25621 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14078 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28672 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA06274; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:35:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: "Carver, John" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Cold Weather Suits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John -- I wear a snowmobiling suit when it's cold, and it works very well. I picked it up at that surplus store in Tyson's Corner. Pete. On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Carver, John wrote: > I was noticing on the Joe Rocket web site, www.joerocket.com, that > the full snowmobiling suits are the same MSRP as the bib pants. Has > anyone considered wearing a full snowmobiling suit while riding? BTW, > what gives with the price of $180 for bibs or a suit? It's *almost* > as bad as a ski jacket. FWIW, ski jackets now start at around $300. > Uggg! > > John Carver > VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:37:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25649 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14112 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f211.hotmail.com [207.82.251.102]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28735 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24874 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 1998 13:37:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19981002133711.24873.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.114.156.164 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:37:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.114.156.164] From: "Christopher Gee" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:37:10 PDT since they are cajun mice, it must be pan-blackened mice, or mice jumbalaya, or mice-n-crawdad. >From: "Mersch, Tom" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still >Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:08:58 -0400 > >Do you get cocktail sauce with that? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:44 AM >> To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still >> >> I am about to make a big buy from a place called Cajun mice, Do yours eat >> frozen? They have good prices I am paying $20 for 100 pinkies. Let me >> know if >> you need there prices, I will be ordering on Monday. >> >> Jay >> >> Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >> >> > Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that everyone on >> > DC_Cycles has far too much in common... >> > We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) >> > We all love bikes >> > A good number love guns >> > and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! >> > >> > A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been >> getting >> > your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real bored >> of >> > raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone mentioned >> a >> > guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold of >> him... >> > >> > I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking in >> feeder >> > mice/rats of a reasonable size... >> > >> > TIA >> > Collin >> >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:43:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25757 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14178 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28842 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810021343.JAA28842@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A872A08042E; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:43:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:03:28 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Cold Weather Suits In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:41 AM 10/2/98 -0400, Carver, John wrote: >I was noticing on the Joe Rocket web site, www.joerocket.com, that >the full snowmobiling suits are the same MSRP as the bib pants. Has >anyone considered wearing a full snowmobiling suit while riding? I used to wear one all the time in cold weather. Now I prefer the protection of an Aerostich and use several layers of clothes and an electric vest. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:46:25 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26078 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA10726; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:45:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA14969; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002134549.HXDF18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:45:49 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdee0a$d6c8a800$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <000501bded8a$b5c813a0$6e0000c0@demon> Importance: Normal I'll mark you down. Would you like to bring something tasty to eat? What happened to your GF? T > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:28 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > I'll be there. SWMBO will be there also (if her rib allows. It should be > healed by then.) > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:55:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26458 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14346 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29095 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA02228; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3614DB24.FF29B889@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:54:44 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Gee , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , bgsbny@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still References: <19981002133711.24873.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are pinkies there are only three ways to eat them, in gumbo so they are nice and moist, popcorn style (yes you can use cocktail sauce), or you dislocate your jaw and swallow them hole. Jay Christopher Gee wrote: > since they are cajun mice, it must be pan-blackened mice, > or mice jumbalaya, or mice-n-crawdad. > > >From: "Mersch, Tom" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still > >Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:08:58 -0400 > > > >Do you get cocktail sauce with that? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:44 AM > >> To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still > >> > >> I am about to make a big buy from a place called Cajun mice, Do > yours eat > >> frozen? They have good prices I am paying $20 for 100 pinkies. Let > me > >> know if > >> you need there prices, I will be ordering on Monday. > >> > >> Jay > >> > >> Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > >> > >> > Well, it seems that we just keep proving more and more that > everyone on > >> > DC_Cycles has far too much in common... > >> > We're all computer geeks (or pretend to be one) > >> > We all love bikes > >> > A good number love guns > >> > and now it appears that a ton of us have reptiles as well!! cool! > >> > > >> > A question to all the herp owners out there: Where have you been > >> getting > >> > your pet food at?? We lost our last supplier,a nd I've grown real > bored > >> of > >> > raising rats in the house... Anyone got suggestions? Someone > mentioned > >> a > >> > guy over on 123 in VA, but I lost the message and never got ahold > of > >> him... > >> > > >> > I've got some hungry pets and the local pet shops are very lacking > in > >> feeder > >> > mice/rats of a reasonable size... > >> > > >> > TIA > >> > Collin > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:55:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26461 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14350 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (known e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29104 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 0418 ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:55:33 EDT Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:54:51 EDT Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256691.004CC8CD ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:58:41 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256691.004B4693.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:52:24 -0400 Subject: Drivel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII As a Motorcyclist I find this constant justification tiring. I read the list in Digest form and often just scrap the whole thing because of the redundant ranting about what is right and proper. I am sure I am missing valuable information hidden within these excessively long digests. Please don't take the bait! Ride your ride, and enjoy it. There would not be so many choices in the market if there weren't so many opinions of what a Motorcycle is. Back in lurk mode...... look forward to meeting some of you on the 24th..... Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 09:56:32 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26478 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA19119; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:55:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA24784; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002135557.HZST18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:55:57 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Oh yeah... Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:55:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdee0c$40927440$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19981001224124.006bc3ec@pop.erols.com> Importance: Normal I guess since you've been w/o a street bike for so long, you're most deserving. But I could just tell from the advert that it would be a great bike: 'Free Motorcycle. Come and get it!' Cool! Now you can get out and ride with us again. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: cfagan@XXXXXX [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Oh yeah... > > > Wow, the Maxim looks to be the deal of the decade for me... > At first, it wouldn't fire at all when I cranked it over, but after i > pulled the carbs I could tell why. Nice varnish and corrosion > layer inside > :( I did the el quicko clean job and re-installed them (about an hour > total) and cranked it over... a few presses of the button and it fired > right up. > Took it a while to warm up and to blow some of the crap out of the carbs, > but it settled down nicely. Took it out for a ride and all seems well. > It's gonna need a new battery, but they're cheap. The tires are > a bit old, > but they'll get me through winter. Besides, this is gonna be my commuter > bike. This way I'll be able to put nice sticky rubber on the EX and make > it a weekend play toy! > The only thing still "wrong" with the maxim is a leaky left fork > seal which > will be replaced soon (it's a simple enough job) cause it leaks right onto > the only front disc :( making it a little harder to stop than it > should and > also a little rough in the front suspender department. > I think Chris relly underestimated the condition of the bike... It's in a > lot better shape than I expected...especially for having been stored > outside with no attention for so long... I'll take some digital > pics after > work tomorrow if anyone's interested.... > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 10:06:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26999 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14540 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29515 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA00033; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:06:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25627; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002140605.ICPF18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:06:05 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bdee0d$ab71f640$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal The easy, cheepy way to do it is to insert your axle into the wheel and secure it (the axle) such that it is level and the wheel can spin freely. I'm hoping we get a more enthusiastic buy in for the tire changer. We could then purchase a nicer balancing device. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 8:52 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Beating a dead horse . . > > > Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to > the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) > Thanks. > > John Carver > 98 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:12:02 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29585 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:09:24 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:11:59 -0400 Message-ID: <006601bdee17$008ad940$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000001bdee0a$d6c8a800$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I'll have to think about the eats.... Girlfriend got hit by a minivan while on her bicycle. She's still on one crutch (can't use two because of the broken rib). Other than a wounded ego, and a tiny scar from some road rash, she'll be okay though. It just takes time. We pick up the bike this afternoon. Only about $150 or so to repair. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 9:45 AM > To: George Howell > Cc: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > I'll mark you down. Would you like to bring something tasty to eat? > > What happened to your GF? > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:28 PM > > To: Todd Peer > > Cc: DC-Cycles > > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together > > > > > > I'll be there. SWMBO will be there also (if her rib allows. It should be > > healed by then.) > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > -George Howell > > ghowell@XXXXXX > > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:11:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29582 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:09:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Header welder needed!! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <006501bdee16$ffb0a5e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lacey's welding in Clements MD. 301 769 2431 My father swears by 'em. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [mailto:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 6:46 AM > To: 'George Howell'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Header welder needed!! > > > Give us some names George. Seriously, I need some trailer rails > made for a > three rail trailer I have. After searching endlessly for them > I'm going to > have to have them made by a welder. > > Glenn > > > > You might not want to come to St. Mary's Co. Maryland, but the best (and > > cheapest) welders I've ever seen are down here. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:20:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29824 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15567 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01916 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09088; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4DG7QNBX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:55 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC607@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:20:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain John, What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you just find the heavy spot and add weight(s) opposite it accordingly. Very similar setup to the fancey "tool" the shops use...(their jack stands have knife edge rollers to allow the axle to spin as well... > Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to > the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) > Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:31:37 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00598 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 369; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:30:53 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:29:46 -0400 To: "George Howell" , "Todd Peer" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together Cc: "DC-Cycles" In-Reply-To: <006601bdee17$008ad940$6e0000c0@demon> References: <000001bdee0a$d6c8a800$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981002153053321.AAA238.369@vulture> God damn mommyvans anyways..... At 11:11 AM 10/2/98 , George Howell wrote: >I'll have to think about the eats.... > >Girlfriend got hit by a minivan while on her bicycle. She's still on one >crutch (can't use two because of the broken rib). Other than a wounded ego, >and a tiny scar from some road rash, she'll be okay though. It just takes >time. We pick up the bike this afternoon. Only about $150 or so to repair. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 9:45 AM >> To: George Howell >> Cc: DC-Cycles >> Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together >> >> >> I'll mark you down. Would you like to bring something tasty to eat? >> >> What happened to your GF? >> >> T >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:28 PM >> > To: Todd Peer >> > Cc: DC-Cycles >> > Subject: RE: RSVP for DC-Cycles 2nd Annual Get Together >> > >> > >> > I'll be there. SWMBO will be there also (if her rib allows. It should be >> > healed by then.) >> > >> > ---------------------------------------- >> > -George Howell >> > ghowell@XXXXXX >> > georgehowell@XXXXXX >> > >> > >> > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 11:33:29 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00676 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15728 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02337 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09800; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4DG7QNBZ>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:23 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC609@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Gary Foreman, LCSA'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Oh yeah... Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain OK, I'll behave.... I was just excited that it started up and was running good... If everything looks OK, I may head out on that ride this weekend... > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman, LCSA [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 8:46 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Oh yeah... > > Okay Collin, just keep rubbing our noses in it (grin). > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 12:02:55 1998 Return-Path: MINEREG@XXXXXX Received: from PASHA.COM (pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01716 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:59:49 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:59:22 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycles Logo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 12:36:46 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03310 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0E0385022E; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:35:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002123806.00fb3810@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:39:21 -0400 To: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:59 AM 10/2/98 -0400, Sean Sullivan wrote: > Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo >(view 1B under "logos" at >www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll buy two, and think $10-14 each is a suitable price range. (Get good thick ones, not the real thin ones you find at beach outlet malls). thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:21:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05085 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17287 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06004 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 297; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <36150B7C.E4D2CEA@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:21:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Oh yeah... References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC609@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why behave? It was an absolute crime that you, Collin, the most skilled rider on this list, was without a street bike. I'm glad that you got the scoot. Even gladder that it runs! Ride Safe! Horkster Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > OK, I'll behave.... I was just excited that it started up and was running > good... If everything looks OK, I may head out on that ride this weekend... > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:24:49 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05115 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 341; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:23:49 -0400 Message-ID: <36150C58.6D9CB07C@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:24:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: RSVP for DC-Cycles References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A7F5665@EMSS09M05> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Yeah, the job has it's slow moments, but I also will have to be working BOTH days this weekend to help get us back onto an impossible schedule. :( It sucks to be me. :( :( Oh well. Y'all have a good weekend out there. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:26:38 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05128 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17349 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06233 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA28544; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:28:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma028313; Fri, 2 Oct 98 13:27:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F070013MN32XJ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256691.005F7963 ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:22:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:12:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Cc: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <85256691.005E5FB2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to balance the tires? --chris To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" Date: 10/02/98 03:20:53 PM GMT Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . John, What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you just find the heavy spot and add weight(s) opposite it accordingly. Very similar setup to the fancey "tool" the shops use...(their jack stands have knife edge rollers to allow the axle to spin as well... > Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to > the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) > Thanks. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:30:07 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05504 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10109 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F07002BDN9WGY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:29:47 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:27:09 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A904B8F@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain I've used FADZ in the Potomac Mills mall (Neighborhood 1, I think) and they do pretty good at putting stuff on mugs, mouse pads, shirts of course, hats. I think their prices are reasonable too. Oh, BTW, I'm back on the list for those who have missed me. ;-) Tracy ---------- From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Sent: 10/2/98 11:59:22 AM Subject: DC-Cycles Logo DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:32:09 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05532 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17161 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F070020BNDFGY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:31:55 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:29:17 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A904B90@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain What sizes do you think you'll get? I want at least 4 XXX-L and 1 kid's medium (size 10-12) and 1 kid's small (size 5 - 6) ---------- From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Sent: 10/2/98 11:59:22 AM Subject: DC-Cycles Logo DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:33:47 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05560 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12161 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.187.136.56]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F0700DK3NG4I4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:34:14 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:30:55 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A904B91@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain And there's always the real inexpensive way of buying the Iron on paper at Staples, running them off on a nice color printer and iron them on the T-shirts yourself. ;-) Ok - I'll be quiet now.... ---------- From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Sent: 10/2/98 11:59:22 AM Subject: DC-Cycles Logo DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:34:16 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05587 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA01278; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:35:39 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000887; Fri, 2 Oct 98 13:35:13 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F07002Z2NFNQW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256691.006029D8 ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:30:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:20:59 -0400 Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo To: Sean Sullivan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256691.005F2ED9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Sean, Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or black t-shirts? --chris From: Sean Sullivan Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT Subject: DC-Cycles Logo --snip- Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:52:59 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06485 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 166; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:52:24 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:52:23 -0400 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A904B90@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981002175224322.AAA238.166@vulture> XXX-L? You gonna use them as bike covers? :-) At 01:29 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: >What sizes do you think you'll get? I want at least 4 XXX-L and 1 kid's >medium (size 10-12) and 1 kid's small (size 5 - 6) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:53:46 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06495 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:53:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: Sean Sullivan , "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:53:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. the world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color doesn't really matter to me. > ---------- > From: > christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > ] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM > To: Sean Sullivan > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo > > Sean, > > Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or > black t-shirts? > > --chris > > From: Sean Sullivan > Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT > Subject: DC-Cycles Logo > > --snip- > Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen > logo (view 1B under "logos" at > www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the > interest in stickers and other items, so > let me know if you would be interested in these. > I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If > anyone works at a print shop or can > recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > Sean Sullivan > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:55:40 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06508 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A3874D9022E; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:55:19 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002135405.00fc4860@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:56:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . In-Reply-To: <85256691.005E5FB2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some do. But the most common is the kind you see at race tracks - two uprights with knife-edge supports on ball bearings. Stick an axle shaft through the wheel, set it on the knife-edges, and the heavy part of the wheel always settles to the bottom. Much better than trying it on the bike, with wheel bearing drag and brake pad drag. Nice and simple, can't break, gravity is reliable. Chris Norloff At 01:12 PM 10/2/98 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to balance the >tires? > >--chris > >To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > >cc: >From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" >Date: 10/02/98 03:20:53 PM GMT >Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . > > > > >John, >What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) >between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you just >find >the heavy spot and add weight(s) opposite it accordingly. Very similar >setup to the fancey "tool" the shops use...(their jack stands have knife >edge rollers to allow the axle to spin as well... > > > >> Has anyone mentioned anything about balancing a tire with regard to >> the lists acquisition of a tire changer? (As in, how it is done) >> Thanks. >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 13:59:50 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06582 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA31898; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:57:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002175659.KHPP18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:56:59 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Sean Sullivan" , , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bdee2d$eca95020$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Will the designer of 1b please step forward and take a bow? I've used your logo on the DC-Cycles Summit page http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ and now Sean is proposing T-Shirts. You might as well take credit, whomever you are. Todd > > DC-Cycles Logo > > Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed > DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and > anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, > the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep > the cost around $10. > Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the > chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at > www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to > gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so > let me know if you would be interested in these. > I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the > numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can > recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > Sean Sullivan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The polls have been closed and here are the results: > > 1A- 1 > 1B- 8 > 5 - 1 > 8 - 4 > 10 - 3 > 11 - 3 > 12 - 5 > 14 - 2 > > So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. > > Don B > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:00:49 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06660 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4CD55D0212; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:00:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002140340.00fc91e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:05:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", that logo really needs a black shirt. Chris Norloff At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. the >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color doesn't >really matter to me. > >> ---------- >> From: >> christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX >> ] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM >> To: Sean Sullivan >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> Sean, >> >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or >> black t-shirts? >> >> --chris >> >> From: Sean Sullivan >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> --snip- >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the >> interest in stickers and other items, so >> let me know if you would be interested in these. >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If >> anyone works at a print shop or can >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. >> Sean Sullivan >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:01:32 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06897 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:01:30 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA13429; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:03:10 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa13173; Fri, 2 Oct 98 14:02:42 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F070051OOPH7T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256691.0062ADE2 ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:57:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:58:46 -0400 Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "Horstman, Tracy L" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <85256691.0062A93E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Um, Dale .... watch out man, your wife is quoting Potomac Mills stores by Neighborhood!!!! :-) Danger, Danger .... --chris To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" cc: From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Date: 10/02/98 05:27:09 PM GMT Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo I've used FADZ in the Potomac Mills mall (Neighborhood 1, I think) and they do pretty good at putting stuff on mugs, mouse pads, shirts of course, hats. I think their prices are reasonable too. Oh, BTW, I'm back on the list for those who have missed me. ;-) Tracy ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:06:32 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07067 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:06:27 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA15277; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:08:11 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015040; Fri, 2 Oct 98 14:08:02 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0700775OYMRC@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256691.0063301B ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:03:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:03:32 -0400 Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Cc: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256691.006312D5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I don't care which color either, but I suggest you see a sample on a black shirt (due to how dark the logo is) before running off a whole batch. Just food for thought ... I'm sure Sean will do a swimmingly good job, chris To: Sean Sullivan , Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Date: 10/02/98 05:53:10 PM GMT Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. the world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color doesn't really matter to me. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:10:09 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw1.lmco.com (mailgw1.lmco.com [192.31.106.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07106 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [198.7.15.39]) by mailgw1.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03808; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0F0700FTJP4M56@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:09:49 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:07:10 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: "'Michael Troutman'" , "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5E@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain Apparently, we have never met. Dale (Horkster) wears bike covers.... ;-) I just like them big. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:52 PM > To: Horstman, Tracy L; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > > XXX-L? You gonna use them as bike covers? > > :-) > > At 01:29 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > >What sizes do you think you'll get? I want at least 4 XXX-L and 1 kid's > >medium (size 10-12) and 1 kid's small (size 5 - 6) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:10:22 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07116 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18001 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07918 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256691.006394DB ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:07:41 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256691.00638D50.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:07:37 -0400 Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline gravity is reliable. Yea and if it ever fails, were in deep shit. 8-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:22:13 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07621 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA19422; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981002182112.KMZK18768@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:21:12 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: Static Wheel Balancing Was: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdee31$4e52cf60$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <4.1.19981002135405.00fc4860@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal This type of balancer is common in smaller shops, and IMO works just fine. However, you can get an exceptionally balanced outcome by mixing 1/2 no.2 grease (I use Graphite impregnated grease) and 1/2 motoroil and coating the axle where it meets the bearings. It's only about a gram of each, but it really loosens things up. With this, you can revert back to what Collin was suggesting (the jack stands), and keep it simple, accurate and inexpensive. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . > > > Some do. But the most common is the kind you see at race tracks - two > uprights with knife-edge supports on ball bearings. Stick an axle shaft > through the wheel, set it on the knife-edges, and the heavy part of the > wheel always settles to the bottom. > > Much better than trying it on the bike, with wheel bearing drag and brake > pad drag. > > Nice and simple, can't break, gravity is reliable. > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:22:58 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07786 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4D5H7XFC>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:21:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) How about some of each? I don't care for black t-shirts myself but I know other do. Glenn > Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", > that logo really needs a black shirt. > > > At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. > the > >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color > doesn't > >really matter to me. > > > >> > >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or > >> black t-shirts? > >> > >> --chris > > > >> --snip- > >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen > >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at > >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge > the > >> interest in stickers and other items, so > >> let me know if you would be interested in these. > >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. > If > >> anyone works at a print shop or can > >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > >> Sean Sullivan > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 14:25:02 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07925 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28630 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.187.136.56]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F0700JQBPTJ20@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:25:29 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:22:09 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5F@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua (blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to easily > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 2:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > > Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", > that logo really needs a black shirt. > > Chris Norloff > > > At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. > the > >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color > doesn't > >really matter to me. > > > >> ---------- > >> From: > >> > christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > >> ] > >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM > >> To: Sean Sullivan > >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo > >> > >> Sean, > >> > >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or > >> black t-shirts? > >> > >> --chris > >> > >> From: Sean Sullivan > >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT > >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo > >> > >> --snip- > >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen > >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at > >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge > the > >> interest in stickers and other items, so > >> let me know if you would be interested in these. > >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. > If > >> anyone works at a print shop or can > >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > >> Sean Sullivan > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to > >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, > or > >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >> received > >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from > any > >> computer. > >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09417 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 257; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <36152345.CB94F130@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:02:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo References: <85256691.0062A93E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Um, Dale .... watch out man, your wife is quoting Potomac Mills stores by > Neighborhood!!!! :-) > > Danger, Danger .... > Now you know why I have to work weekends.... (Not really) :) Horkster From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:11:21 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09912 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 252; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:10:26 -0400 Message-ID: <36152554.FE4F0D8E@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:11:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5F@EMSS09M05> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua > (blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to easily > Oh boy, wuss colors for our geek group t-shirts. Do you really wanna see us get beaten up at rallies, huh? Or just me? :) Black, and/or grey work just fine for me. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10057 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4D5H7YRB>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:13:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Todd, I think Gil (Buell Boy) came up with 1a and 1b. He's temporarily off the list. Glenn > Will the designer of 1b please step forward and take a bow? I've used > your > logo on the DC-Cycles Summit page > http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ and now Sean is proposing > T-Shirts. You might as well take credit, whomever you are. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:16:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10157 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19295 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10530 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 0VEOa17823; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1718d4d.36152511@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:10:09 EDT To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/2/98 1:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: << Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to balance the tires? >> Usually, motorcycle tires are statically balanced by shops. I have yet to see a dynamic (spin) balancer locally. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:33:21 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10857 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA7D6BE0218; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:33:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002152700.00fcd540@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:27:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5F@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So then you'd have the logo with a black box around it? Chris Norloff At 02:22 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua >(blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to easily > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 2:06 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", >> that logo really needs a black shirt. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >> >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. >> the >> >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color >> doesn't >> >really matter to me. >> > >> >> ---------- >> >> From: >> >> >> christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX >> >> ] >> >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM >> >> To: Sean Sullivan >> >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> >> >> Sean, >> >> >> >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or >> >> black t-shirts? >> >> >> >> --chris >> >> >> >> From: Sean Sullivan >> >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT >> >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo >> >> >> >> --snip- >> >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen >> >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at >> >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge >> the >> >> interest in stickers and other items, so >> >> let me know if you would be interested in these. >> >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. >> If >> >> anyone works at a print shop or can >> >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. >> >> Sean Sullivan >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >> to >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, >> or >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> >> received >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from >> any >> >> computer. >> >> >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 15:38:17 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11218 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABA66D40218; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:38:14 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981002154009.00fd48c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:41:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo In-Reply-To: <36152554.FE4F0D8E@tidalwave.net> References: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A94DD5F@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:11 PM 10/2/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Oh boy, wuss colors for our geek group t-shirts. Do you really >wanna see us get beaten up at rallies, huh? Or just me? :) > >Black, and/or grey work just fine for me. Grey? Dale you are so lazy. Ask Tracy how to use the washing machine and you won't have to get grey so you can tell people that's the color it's SUPPOSED to be. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:18:20 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL ([199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12682 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:17:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Please, no box around it. > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 3:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > > So then you'd have the logo with a black box around it? > > Chris Norloff > > > At 02:22 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > > > I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua > >(blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to > easily > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 2:06 PM > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > >> > >> Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", > >> that logo really needs a black shirt. > >> > >> Chris Norloff > >> > >> > >> At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >> >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. > >> the > >> >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color > >> doesn't > >> >really matter to me. > >> > > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: > >> >> > >> > christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > >> >> ] > >> >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM > >> >> To: Sean Sullivan > >> >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo > >> >> > >> >> Sean, > >> >> > >> >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey > or > >> >> black t-shirts? > >> >> > >> >> --chris > >> >> > >> >> From: Sean Sullivan > >> >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT > >> >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo > >> >> > >> >> --snip- > >> >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the > chosen > >> >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at > >> >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to > gauge > >> the > >> >> interest in stickers and other items, so > >> >> let me know if you would be interested in these. > >> >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the > numbers. > >> If > >> >> anyone works at a print shop or can > >> >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > >> >> Sean Sullivan > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity > >> to > >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > of, > >> or > >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or > >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >> >> received > >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from > >> any > >> >> computer. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:26:57 1998 Return-Path: MINEREG@XXXXXX Received: from PASHA.COM (pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13043 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:23:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:23:19 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline RE: DC-Cycles Logo I did 1a and 1b. Harry put them up on the DC-Cycles web page with a bunch of awesome designs by other list members. Don took the vote. Since 1b was picked, I felt I should be the one to go find a print shop and make t-shirts. We already have a good number of people who have expressed interest. We should have enough people to make it worth getting some in black and some in another color (gray? red? aqua? yellow? Let me know and I'll see which is the most popular alternate). Most people are asking for XL and up in size. Several people have asked for stickers. For those who haven't, please let me know what you'd like and if you'd prefer an alternate color. Thanks. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will the designer of 1b please step forward and take a bow? I've used your logo on the DC-Cycles Summit page http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ and now Sean is proposing T-Shirts. You might as well take credit, whomever you are. Todd <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:35:38 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13541 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA00826 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810022030.QAA00826@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: PLease edit quoted message...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text folks, I am not in digest mode (lucky me), but from time to time I am downloading all mail over very slow links. It would really help a lot if when replying you would delete majority of quoted message. Nothing worse then a simple line me too ! and after it whole previous posting , sometimes reposted already 3-4 times. thank you, _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:46:19 1998 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from Manassas1.TDS-GN.LMCO.COM (manassas1.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13961 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmco.com (pointer) by Manassas1.TDS-GN.LMCO.COM (4.1/mls/4.1) id AA16446; Fri, 2 Oct 98 15:58:35 EDT Sender: horstmt@XXXXXX Message-Id: <361531DD.742F84E5@lmco.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:04:46 -0400 From: Tracy Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo References: <4.1.19981002152700.00fcd540@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > So then you'd have the logo with a black box around it? > > Chris Norloff > > At 02:22 PM 10/2/98 , Horstman, Tracy L wrote: > > > > I think that it would look really cool on either a yellow or aqua > >(blue-green) shirt. I don't like black. Too hot, picks up lint to easily > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 2:06 PM > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo > >> > >> Even though I dislike black, because I don't want to have "that look", > >> that logo really needs a black shirt. > >> > >> Chris Norloff > >> > >> > >> At 01:53 PM 10/2/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >> >Black. That way we can have the "look." (I stayed out of the H-D vs. > >> the > >> >world thread, but couldn't resist one little jab). Seriously, color > >> doesn't > >> >really matter to me. > >> > > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: > >> >> > >> christopher.meier@XXXXXX[SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX > >> >> ] > >> >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:20 PM > >> >> To: Sean Sullivan > >> >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Logo > >> >> > >> >> Sean, > >> >> > >> >> Please put me down for two (2) shirts. Are you thinking white, grey or > >> >> black t-shirts? > >> >> > >> >> --chris > >> >> > >> >> From: Sean Sullivan > >> >> Date: 10/02/98 03:59:22 PM GMT > >> >> Subject: DC-Cycles Logo > >> >> > >> >> --snip- > >> >> Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen > >> >> logo (view 1B under "logos" at > >> >> www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge > >> the > >> >> interest in stickers and other items, so > >> >> let me know if you would be interested in these. > >> >> I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. > >> If > >> >> anyone works at a print shop or can > >> >> recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. > >> >> Sean Sullivan > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > >> to > >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, > >> or > >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >> >> received > >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from > >> any > >> >> computer. > >> >> > >> >> > >> Yeah, why not? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:57:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14422 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20633 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14633 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WWDJa03786 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81bd10f3.36153df4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:56:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: spin balance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Usually, motorcycle tires are statically balanced by shops. I have yet to see >a dynamic (spin) balancer locally. Bob's BMW has one, and they have a stand for static balance too. Individual mechanics tend to prefer one or the other. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:57:40 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14432 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:38 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00921 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810022100.RAA00921@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Rleather repair shop To: dc-cycle@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: zbig@XXXXXX I received to pointers: 1) Tricks of trade; - advertised in Winding road, located in Great Falls off Walker St; phone is 703-759-4565 2) There is a leather repair shop in the Countryside shopping center - just to the left of the silo (sorry - don't remember the name) They have anothershop by the Shopper's Food Warehouse in the old (and almost dead) shopping center on Rt 7, at Dranesville Rd. My pants are repaired in tricks of trade - nice place. I will post up or downs next week, after they are done with it. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 16:58:31 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14442 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20643 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postal.clark.net (known postal.clark.net [168.143.0.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14684 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by postal.clark.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15185; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iname.com (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28041; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36153EC9.42C82BB0@iname.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:59:53 -0400 From: Mark Truelove X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC607@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still wondering what to do for a single-sided swingarm. I have a couple of concepts that should work, but I haven't translated them into a real-world device yet. :) MET Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > John, > What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) > between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 17:13:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15049 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20862 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15471 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WAZAa02329; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d1483c9.361541c8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:40 EDT To: MotorLE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: spin balance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/2/98 5:03:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MotorLE@XXXXXX writes: << Bob's BMW has one, >> Gee wiz, those BMW people are sooooooooo, esoteric. By the way, the best spin balancers I know of are the kind that spin the wheel while the wheel is on the bike, kind of like a tread mill and sensors. Is that the kind Bob has? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 17:22:25 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15396 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA20086; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:22:36 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:21:51 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44A5@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Put me down for two shirts (if possible), preferably something in X-large (again, if Possible) Jason -----Original Message----- From: Sean Sullivan [mailto:MINEREG@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 11:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycles Logo DC-Cycles Logo Thanks to Don Burger for running the polls on the proposed DC-Cycles logo. I will arrange for t-shirts and anything else you guys ask for. The more people are interested, the cheaper the shirts will be, but I'd like to keep the cost around $10. Please respond to this e-mail if you'd like a t-shirt with the chosen logo (view 1B under "logos" at www.dc-cycles.org), and if you'd want more than one. I'll try to gauge the interest in stickers and other items, so let me know if you would be interested in these. I'll go shopping for a print shop once I have an idea of the numbers. If anyone works at a print shop or can recommend one, I'll definitely give that shop a look. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The polls have been closed and here are the results: 1A- 1 1B- 8 5 - 1 8 - 4 10 - 3 11 - 3 12 - 5 14 - 2 So it looks like the winner is 1B. My job is over. Don B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 17:46:36 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16583 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21174 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16388 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WQCCa22759 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:45:56 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: single sided swing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 There a single sided swingarm on my BMW. There is an apaptor that BMW sells which bolts to the wheel, allowing it to be balanced. Obviously, since the bike does not have a rear axle, I would have to borrow someone else's axle, or use a balancing stand. It is not a universal thing, it is specifically for the wheel on my model, but I wonder if such an item is available for other kinds of bikes. Colleen >I'm still wondering what to do for a single-sided swingarm. I have a >couple of concepts that should work, but I haven't translated them into >a real-world device yet. :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 17:51:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16664 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21225 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16481 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WKOGa07925 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:49:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: spin balance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Gee wiz, those BMW people are sooooooooo, esoteric Huh? >By the way, the best spin >balancers I know of are the kind that spin the wheel while the wheel is on the >bike, kind of like a tread mill and sensors. Is that the kind Bob has? It's not that kind. I've never seen anything like that in a bike shop. I forgot what kind Bob has, but maybe it is Snap-on. It operates the same way as other ones I have used. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 18:08:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17473 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21449 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17203 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12632; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3615631E.74A9F4CE@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:34:54 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Truelove CC: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC607@MSCEX> <36153EC9.42C82BB0@iname.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't payed that close attention out at the track when Jack Smith does tires, but I think for the Hawk and Ducati riders, it's the same setup, just a larger axle???? Not sure... Maybe Brian McCoy can pass the question along to Al Lapp or Thane Steilow... Mark Truelove wrote: > > I'm still wondering what to do for a single-sided swingarm. I have a > couple of concepts that should work, but I haven't translated them into > a real-world device yet. :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 19:30:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20537 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22420 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19417 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WXMJa17798; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:34 EDT To: MotorLE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: spin balance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/2/98 6:02:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MotorLE@XXXXXX writes: << Huh? >> It was a joke. It is the type of balancer used at European "speed shops" and tracks for cars and bikes. It turns the wheel with the vehicle's weight on it to simulate the tire's deflection at various (high) speeds. Cioa, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 21:17:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24677 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23354 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20866 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:15:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <00cd01bdee6b$a416a220$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <85256691.005E5FB2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not most moto shops. FWIW, I've read in one or two places that a good static balancing is better than spin balancing. Spin balancers are just good to train new people how to do it (or for high volumes) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to > balance the > tires? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 21:21:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25035 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23388 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20886 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:19:10 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mark Truelove" Cc: Subject: RE: Beating a dead horse . . Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00ce01bdee6c$2e250a60$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36153EC9.42C82BB0@iname.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Read the info on a pocket wheel balancer at www.ibmwr.org. Somebody came up with a spindle to do this on the BMW single sided swingarms. Should be adaptable to your needs. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Truelove [mailto:true@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 5:00 PM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG > Cc: 'Carver, John'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . > > > I'm still wondering what to do for a single-sided swingarm. I have a > couple of concepts that should work, but I haven't translated them into > a real-world device yet. :) > > MET > > Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > > > John, > > What I do is to take two jack stands and place the axle (w/ wheel on it) > > between the two stands allowing the wheel to spin free... Then you > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 2 21:26:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25056 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:14:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Sean Sullivan" , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: <00cc01bdee6b$83050ea0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Wasn't my favorite logo, but, what they heck. Put me down for two. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 02:34:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA07550 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27681 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25531 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:51 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WBHRa18748 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <80e7514d.3615c55e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:34:06 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Cold running Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 First, I apologize for cross-posting, but the situation warrants it, in my opinion. Well, the cold weather is finally upon us. I've never ridden in very cold weather before because my air-cooled Nighthawk didn't fair so well, and I enjoyed the comfort of my cage ( has heat!). But this year, with my new (to me) Shadow, I do plan on riding some. Tonite it got down to the 30s and I went out riding. First, I noticed that it barely got to the lowest part of the "Normal Temp Range" on the temperature gauge. Then, much to my surprise, the bike seemed to miss at highway speeds. I noticed that adjusting the choke compensated a bit, but it still missed some. Also, looking at the tach, it appears that the clutch is slipping some at highway speeds (I normally do 80mph @4500RPM, but instead was doing a mere 65mph @4000RPM). What could be the problem? I'm using 10W-40 oil, and running 93 octane. My first guess is to check the sparkplug gap and get the oil changed to something lighter (10W30?), otherwise I'm clueless (and burned out by my FAA exams). She ran fine earlier today when it was warmer and seems to run fine at slower speeds if I don't whack the throttle (She hesitates if I really give it to her). Thanks for any help!!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 (a warm weather bike?) * From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 02:52:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08348 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27813 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA26078 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 02:50:18 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Cold running Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <00e001bdee9a$73eb0bc0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <80e7514d.3615c55e@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sounds like you are a victim of our lovely lean tuned US engines. I don't know enough about carbs (it's the one thing I've, knock wood, never had a problem with on cars, bikes, boats, etc... Oh, I take it back. Had a tarnished carb on a Honda generator once. But that was easily to clean. Open the jets, soak in some caustic chemicals lying around the garage, put it back together.) Anyway, before monkeying around too much, wait for someone more knowledgable to respond. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [mailto:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 2:34 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Cold running > > > First, I apologize for cross-posting, but the situation warrants it, in my > opinion. > > Well, the cold weather is finally upon us. I've never ridden in very cold > weather before because my air-cooled Nighthawk didn't fair so well, and I > enjoyed the comfort of my cage ( has heat!). But this year, with > my new (to > me) Shadow, I do plan on riding some. Tonite it got down to the > 30s and I went > out riding. First, I noticed that it barely got to the lowest part of the > "Normal Temp Range" on the temperature gauge. Then, much to my > surprise, the > bike seemed to miss at highway speeds. I noticed that adjusting the choke > compensated a bit, but it still missed some. Also, looking at the tach, it > appears that the clutch is slipping some at highway speeds (I normally do > 80mph @4500RPM, but instead was doing a mere 65mph @4000RPM). > What could be > the problem? I'm using 10W-40 oil, and running 93 octane. My > first guess is to > check the sparkplug gap and get the oil changed to something > lighter (10W30?), > otherwise I'm clueless (and burned out by my FAA exams). She ran > fine earlier > today when it was warmer and seems to run fine at slower speeds if I don't > whack the throttle (She hesitates if I really give it to her). > Thanks for any > help!!! > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 (a warm weather bike?) > * > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 06:58:48 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20026 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29880 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA27674 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:58:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WCSa029185; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9475e63c.36160331@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:53 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/3/98 2:39:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << I noticed that adjusting the choke compensated a bit, but it still missed some. Also, looking at the tach, it appears that the clutch is slipping some at highway speeds (I normally do 80mph @4500RPM, but instead was doing a mere 65mph @4000RPM). What could be >> Two little rules Robert (rules always have exceptions of course): 1. If a bike misses at all RPMs it usually a spark related problem, if it misses at specific RPMs e.g. mid-range, it is usually a fuel mixture problem. 2. Colder air is denser, so if anything you're bike will run richer, not leaner in cold temperatures. Regarding your engine temperature, if your gauge put you anywhere in the normal range, it is probably another problem not the temperature. However, people are known to remove thermostats in an attempt to make engines run cooler. Check if you have a thermostat installed. Usually thermostats stick in a closed position so when they screw up they cause the bike to overheat, not stay cold. I doubt the cold would make your clutch slip, in fact I would think the opposite. Have you done anything recently to the bike, i.e. washed it, adjusted the clutch, cleaned the air filter, topped up your engine oil etc? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 09:27:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25568 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01230 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28517 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-113-67.s67.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.67]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16050; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36122E47.52BE@erols.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:12:39 -0400 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . References: <1718d4d.36152511@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/2/98 1:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: > > << Does that mean that shops don't use machine "spin balancers" to balance the > tires? >> > Usually, motorcycle tires are statically balanced by shops. I have yet to see > a dynamic (spin) balancer locally. > > Ciao, > > Fred Hey Fred, Stop by and say "HI" to my spin balancer. I've had it for years and it was the first one in the area for M/C's. Riders Accessory Warehouse 132 W. Jefferson St. Falls Church, va 22046 703-241-0733 -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 15:50:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10079 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04562 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02500 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id UMMJa02082; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5fc7901.36167fda@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:49:46 EDT To: riders@XXXXXX Cc: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beating a dead horse . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/3/98 9:22:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, riders@XXXXXX writes: << Stop by and say "HI" to my spin balancer. I've had it for years and it was the first one in the area for M/C's. >> Good to know, I will when I need tires. Thanks. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 18:49:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16562 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06204 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04484 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WAIBa17798 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d4f7233.3616a9de@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:49:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'd have to disagree about a bike running too rich in colder air. Due to the higher air density, there is more air per unit volume, and thus a higher air/fuel ratio (running lean). This would explain why my choke helped it run better. It was actually cutting back the air, and making the mixture more rich. So far, it sounds like I may need to either let the bike warm up completely before riding in the cold, or get the carb mixture set to run a bit more rich for the colder weather. At any rate, it's raining and I'm not going out riding anyway. :( Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 19:08:06 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17372 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06393 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04686 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WRDGa03786 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <451469b.3616ae1f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:07:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 86-VFR-750 For Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 A friend has offered to sell me a vintage race-ready bike BSA 500 single, so if I want it I've got to sell a bike. Before I place an ad in the Post next weekend, I thought I'd post here. It is a true 750, not too many around and the few that were imported were only brought in to able to race production class in AMA. They had a substantially higher list price than the 700s. Mechanically it is nearly perfect. The chassis set-up is very, very stable. You can take your hands off the bars and there is no wobble at all on decelleration, most VFRs of this vintage will wobble when you take your hands off the bars, but I spent alot of time on forks, wheels and steering bearing adjustment to make it stable. Forks have Progressive springs and spacer. Tires and chain were put on new this spring. Tires are one size wider than stock 120 front and 140 rear. Dunlop K-591s, the best all-around tire for this bike I think. Pads were new in June. Battery is a year old. Bike starts in the coldest weather with 2 seconds of starter The motor doesn't use a drop of oil and it is very, very powerful for a VFR. It has a Supertrapp system and cans, Dyno jet Stage 3. This 86 VFR (the 750) ran a 10.95 1/4 mile and did 157 MPH top speed in Cycle magazine in the June 86 issue, still the fastest VFR ever, including the 98, and the lightest. Esthetics are not perfect but good, and the bike is very presentable; I get many compliments. It is painted burgundy with white Honda and VFR-750 graphics and the stock red-white-blue "Interceptor" decal on both sides of the tail section. I'd like to get $3,000 for it. The MCN (3/98) price is $2,885 and NADA is over $3,000 (I hear) for an average example, I think it is much better than average mechanically. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 3 19:12:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17730 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06432 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04730 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WAFEa17798; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36463153.3616af3e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:11:58 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/3/98 6:56:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << I'd have to disagree about a bike running too rich in colder air. >> You are absolutely right, what was I thinking. :-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 13:31:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29912 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16412 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13905 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:29:05 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Cold running part 2 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:31:26 -0400 Message-ID: <004201bdefbc$d078a6e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4d4f7233.3616a9de@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 My guess is that running your bike a little richer would help at all times. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 14:36:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02493 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16984 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14537 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 7GHVa02341; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:35:19 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I agree about the need to run richer. Problem is that in order to adjust the carbs, I basically have to disassemble the bike and I'd need a portable tachometer. All that aside, I don't know how much I'd need to adjust it. I may end up taking it to my local dealer and see what they say. With "social" commitments (read possible girlfriend :) in Annapolis, I plan on slabbing it out and it's on the highway that I noticed the hesitations (from the bike!). Right now I'm getting around 48/60MPG city/hwy, and wouldn't mind a cut in efficiency for some more power. Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 17:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Brianpm@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08609 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id RAA09453; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id RAA29967; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wheel balancing.. In-Reply-To: <199810022300.TAA19299@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whee.. me on Digest.. gotta love it.. Anyway, my local shop does have an electronic wheel balancer.. probably the only reason I order tires through them (I pay about $10 a tire over advertised moto-rag prices). Also, it's nice and handy for them to order my tires, because I'm getting guaranteeded new (look at the DOT date) tires, unlike what I used to get from MAW, Dennis Kirk, Comp. Acc., etc.. most of those tires were dated by about 6 months. Anyway.. carry on with the 'this is better than that' discussion (relates to everything, doesn't it?) Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 18:54:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12166 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19383 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17641 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WHBJa02343 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:53:44 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 All this talk about temp, lean/rich. Geess.... Look at your plugs, they will tell ya all ya need to know. I really can't believe that your performance is affected that much due to the minor temp changes we have had over the last few days. Dial your carb in based on what the plugs look like and be done with it. The shadow is water cooled? How about covering some of the radiator. I know we cover oil coolers on Harley's and it can make a big difference. Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 20:01:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14659 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19992 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18521 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16001; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36184334.C1930E80@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:55:32 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I wouldn't call going from 50 degree mornings to 30 degree mornings minor... That's quite a big change. (and cold sucks!! he he he) I do agree with covering the radiator though.. If the bike isn't getting up to proper operating temps, just cover a portion of the radiator with duct tape. BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: I really can't believe that your > performance is affected that much due to > the minor temp changes we have had over > the last few days. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 21:20:50 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17852 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20656 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19516 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([128.126.170.55]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 316; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: <36181F9E.E70A468@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:23:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 References: <004201bdefbc$d078a6e0$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > My guess is that running your bike a little richer would help at all times. > Except in the fuel economy department. But only some of us are anal about stuff like that. :-) Richer is safer from the engine's standpoint, yes. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 21:54:23 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19020 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3UXBa07909 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:53:48 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f1ae8f5.361826ac@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:53:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/4/98 9:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Except in the fuel economy department. But only some of us are anal about stuff like that. :-) Richer is safer from the engine's standpoint, yes. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me >> Food for thought, too rich will cost ya power. You remember the story of the three bears? This one's to cold, this one's to hot, ah this one's just right. ST From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 22:38:02 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20692 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup60.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0C00OCA1YBGO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:37:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:33:37 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Racing To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <001701bdf021$b4f6c4a0$fc4c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Dammitalltohell!!!!! I hate Carl Fogarty.......bastard won the WSB championship today. I was putting my money on Slighty, oh well. Haga will dominate next year on the R7 8^) Good news back in the states, though. Ben Bostrom won the AMA Superbike championship today, beating out Doug Chandler, who had some engine trouble. Uncharacteristic of the Muzzy engine, but Ben rode great all year. His brother Eric will be the one to watch next year. 750 supersport, eh, it lost me with all those disqualification's to Team Hypercycles Suzuki. Congrads to Steve Crevier, winning the 600 supersport championship. The best bar to bar racing, IMO. I like to see the champion win races, however, but consistency pays off I guess. Someone told me that Scott Russell will be coming back to the AMA series, but don't know if he's staying with Yamaha or not. Yamaha did fairly well, Rich Oliver 4th and Jamie Hacking 8th overall. Not bad for the old YZF 750. Crappy weather kept me inside today, but caught some great racing. More good news, the Cowboys spanked the Redskins! Woohoo....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 23:14:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21972 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21847 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21406 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8YYQa19215; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:13:42 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:13:42 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/4/98 9:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Richer is safer from the engine's standpoint, yes. >> Up to a point, overly rich mixtures cause oil viscosity to go down and impairs proper lubrication. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 23:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22290 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EPMSa10153; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:16:32 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <3dc7deb8.36183a10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:16:32 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/4/98 10:43:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << More good news, the Cowboys spanked the Redskins! Woohoo....... >> Was there really any doubt? I like Ducati so Fogarthy's win is ok by me, Ducati must have one the Manufacturer's Championship too, I guess. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 4 23:42:04 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23139 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup60.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0C0075M4WX51@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:41:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:37:35 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Racing To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003a01bdf02a$a4401e00$fc4c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 -> I like Ducati so Fogarthy's win is ok by me, Ducati must have one the >Manufacturer's Championship too, I guess. > >Ciao, > >Fred Being a bit patriotic eh? P. Chili had a pretty good year too. Maybe an Italian can take Doohan's title this year........... What drives me crazy is the English broadcasters that are sooo biased. Can't blame them, but it's always Foggy this and Foggy that. They're just swinging from his n*ts and won't let go. Well, now that I think about it, the American broadcasters during the Daytona 200 were damn annoying also. Nick Ienatch is a goober. Freddie Spencer does a good job during the Speedvision AMA races, though. Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 00:34:48 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25152 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 00:22:09 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Jon S." , "DC Cycle Club" Subject: RE: Racing Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:24:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bdf018$0fba7080$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <001701bdf021$b4f6c4a0$fc4c37a6@default> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Like that was an achievement or something... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Crappy weather kept me inside today, but caught some great > racing. More > good news, the Cowboys spanked the Redskins! Woohoo....... From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 06:29:59 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09220 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EOCa007909; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52f095ac.36189f6d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:01 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/4/98 11:41:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << Being a bit patriotic eh? P. Chili had a pretty good year too. Maybe an Italian can take Doohan's title this year........... >> Yes, and also I like the idea of a little company competing and winning against Honda which has practically unlimited resources. II also like Aprilia in the 250 for the same reason. I think it's a little too much for Max in the 500, afterall it's his first year and I think that the official factory Hondas have a little more ooopmh than his. If Yamaha can get him to sign up with them next year it could be interesting. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 07:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10766 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4D5H8AK1>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:07:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sorry Sean, I don't why I thought Gil made them. Maybe because there is a Buell on 1A? Anyhow I'd like a couple shirts in either gray or white. I like the idea of stickers. Maybe even some static cling ones too. The kind you can put on the inside of a window. Glenn > I did 1a and 1b. Harry put them up on the DC-Cycles web page with a > bunch of awesome designs by other list > members. Don took the vote. Since 1b was picked, I felt I should be the > one to go find a print shop and make > t-shirts. > We already have a good number of people who have expressed interest. We > should have enough people to make it worth getting some in black and some > in another color (gray? red? aqua? yellow? Let me know and I'll see which > is the most popular alternate). Most people are asking for XL and up in > size. > Several people have asked for stickers. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 07:44:15 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11997 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZBFa02082 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37590e57.3618b0e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:43:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: 1998 Meeting of the Minds Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_907587818_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907587818_boundary Content-ID: <0_907587818@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Info for those of you who care about the future of motorcycling. ST In a message dated 10/4/98 10:28:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, charlie@mrf.= org writes: << Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- E-MAIL NEWS RELEASE PO BOX 1808, Washington, DC 20013-1808 202-546-0983 (voice) 202-546-0986 (fax) steve@XXXXXX (e-mail) http://www.mrf.org (website) IMMEDIATE RELEASE=09=09=09=09=09Contact: Rosemary Curtin October 3, 1998=09=09=09=09=09=09Phone: 803-359-9852 1998 Meeting of the Minds a Huge Success! The 14th annual Meeting of the Minds held in Indianapolis, Indiana, was a huge success thanks to the work of a number of talented people available within the motorcyclists=92 rights movement. This world class educationa= l conference was hosted by ABATE of Indiana. There were 337 attendees at th= is years conference. 42 states were represented as well as 4 attendees from the Federation of European Motorcyclists=92 Associations (FEMA). All of these attendees converged on Indianapolis to discuss future issues of concern to motorcyclists, and share strategies to deal with these issues. The highlight of this year=92s conference was a panel discussion that foc= used on the issue of accepting special insurance requirements for motorcyclist= s on helmet law modifications bills. This issue has generated contention among various groups across the nation. The leaders of all these organizations participated on this panel and proved that they can work through contentious issues successfully and focus on common goals. All agreed that unity is essential for motorcyclists to deal with all the issues affecting the future of motorcycling. Examples of the complex issues highlighted at this conference were globalization of the motorcycling community and a workshop presenting the preliminary findings in the MRF research project on state motorcycle insurance law. This conference is the primary fund-raising event for the MRF. Treasurer Tom Pauley was elated with the stable financial status and steady growth = of fiscal responsibility. Mr. Pauley commented, =93Even though we had a few less participants at this year=92s MOTM, the show of support from the mem= bers and organizations was approximately the same as last year. The auction w= as extremely successful as well.=94 The treasurer=92s report was presented = and attendees were advised that copies of the financial report were available for review. The budget management process instituted by Mr. Pauley and supported by the efforts of the board of directors has eliminated the mid-summer financial crises of the past. The cost of running the MRF Washington, DC office has increased to $895 per day (up from $872 in 1997= ). Supporters were prompted to keep this in mind when considering the value of their contributions. Mr. Pauley even paid for one day of operation by auctioning his ponytail for a mere $900! Last year=92s MRF member survey indicated a need for information on fundraising projects, insurance issues, and effective communications. These subjects were addressed in various new workshops throughout the weekend. The MRF=92s new Director of Events & Conferences, Rosemary Curti= n stated, =93Education of our own is the primary purpose of these seminars= =94. This year=92s MOTM workshops continued the drive to excellence motorcycli= sts have come to expect at MRF conferences. No less than 20 workshops offere= d 6 at a time in 4 time slots provided all from the oldest members to the first-timers the chance to learn new and old lessons valuable to motorcyclists. It was a team work exercise for attendees to get the most from these various education opportunities such as conference planning, legislative committee operation, conflict negotiation & resolution, information research, basic and advanced political activity, fourth amendment rights, and more. They were well attended and well received according to the post-conference surveys. The 1998 Meeting of the Minds rejuvenated the unity of the rights movemen= t and identified new directions for future action. Begin planning for next years Meeting of the Minds to be held September 24, 25 and 26, 1999 in Denver, Colorado now! The Motorcycle Riders Foundation, incorporated in 1987, is a membership based national motorcyclists' rights organization headquartered in Washington D.C. The MRF is involved in federal and state legislation and regulations, motorcycling safety education, training, licensing and publi= c awareness. The MRF provides members and state motorcyclists' rights organizations with direction and information to protect motorcyclists' rights and motorcycling. The MRF sponsors annual regional and national educational seminars for motorcyclists' rights activists and publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, THE MRF REPORTS. Voice: 202-546-0983, Fax: 202-546-0986, E-Mail: steve.org, http://www.mrf= .org -- 30 -- >> --part0_907587818_boundary Content-ID: <0_907587818@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay27.mx.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air08.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:28:17 -0400 Received: from mailbox.iamerica.net (mailbox.iamerica.net [207.101.121.6]) by relay27.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id WAA27129; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charliew (iax-muskogee-ppp020.iamerica.net [207.101.41.29]) by mailbox.iamerica.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA00563; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:24:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981004211959.006eca8c@mailhost.iamerica.net> X-Sender: charliew@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:19:59 -0500 To: Charles_E._Williams@XXXXXX From: Charles Williams Subject: 1998 Meeting of the Minds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- E-MAIL NEWS RELEASE PO BOX 1808, Washington, DC 20013-1808 202-546-0983 (voice) 202-546-0986 (fax) steve@XXXXXX (e-mail) http://www.mrf.org (website) IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Rosemary Curtin October 3, 1998 Phone: 803-359-9852 1998 Meeting of the Minds a Huge Success! The 14th annual Meeting of the Minds held in Indianapolis, Indiana, was a huge success thanks to the work of a number of talented people available within the motorcyclists’ rights movement. This world class educational conference was hosted by ABATE of Indiana. There were 337 attendees at this years conference. 42 states were represented as well as 4 attendees from the Federation of European Motorcyclists’ Associations (FEMA). All of these attendees converged on Indianapolis to discuss future issues of concern to motorcyclists, and share strategies to deal with these issues. The highlight of this year’s conference was a panel discussion that focused on the issue of accepting special insurance requirements for motorcyclists on helmet law modifications bills. This issue has generated contention among various groups across the nation. The leaders of all these organizations participated on this panel and proved that they can work through contentious issues successfully and focus on common goals. All agreed that unity is essential for motorcyclists to deal with all the issues affecting the future of motorcycling. Examples of the complex issues highlighted at this conference were globalization of the motorcycling community and a workshop presenting the preliminary findings in the MRF research project on state motorcycle insurance law. This conference is the primary fund-raising event for the MRF. Treasurer Tom Pauley was elated with the stable financial status and steady growth of fiscal responsibility. Mr. Pauley commented, “Even though we had a few less participants at this year’s MOTM, the show of support from the members and organizations was approximately the same as last year. The auction was extremely successful as well.” The treasurer’s report was presented and attendees were advised that copies of the financial report were available for review. The budget management process instituted by Mr. Pauley and supported by the efforts of the board of directors has eliminated the mid-summer financial crises of the past. The cost of running the MRF Washington, DC office has increased to $895 per day (up from $872 in 1997). Supporters were prompted to keep this in mind when considering the value of their contributions. Mr. Pauley even paid for one day of operation by auctioning his ponytail for a mere $900! Last year’s MRF member survey indicated a need for information on fundraising projects, insurance issues, and effective communications. These subjects were addressed in various new workshops throughout the weekend. The MRF’s new Director of Events & Conferences, Rosemary Curtin stated, “Education of our own is the primary purpose of these seminars”. This year’s MOTM workshops continued the drive to excellence motorcyclists have come to expect at MRF conferences. No less than 20 workshops offered 6 at a time in 4 time slots provided all from the oldest members to the first-timers the chance to learn new and old lessons valuable to motorcyclists. It was a team work exercise for attendees to get the most from these various education opportunities such as conference planning, legislative committee operation, conflict negotiation & resolution, information research, basic and advanced political activity, fourth amendment rights, and more. They were well attended and well received according to the post-conference surveys. The 1998 Meeting of the Minds rejuvenated the unity of the rights movement and identified new directions for future action. Begin planning for next years Meeting of the Minds to be held September 24, 25 and 26, 1999 in Denver, Colorado now! The Motorcycle Riders Foundation, incorporated in 1987, is a membership based national motorcyclists' rights organization headquartered in Washington D.C. The MRF is involved in federal and state legislation and regulations, motorcycling safety education, training, licensing and public awareness. The MRF provides members and state motorcyclists' rights organizations with direction and information to protect motorcyclists' rights and motorcycling. The MRF sponsors annual regional and national educational seminars for motorcyclists' rights activists and publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, THE MRF REPORTS. Voice: 202-546-0983, Fax: 202-546-0986, E-Mail: steve.org, http://www.mrf.org -- 30 -- --part0_907587818_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 07:58:57 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12727 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3AKNa22760 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51582f67.3618b449@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:58:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cold running part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 >Well, running too lean has to be the answer. Everything else checks out. The only time the bike hesitates is when I'm between 3 and 4k RPM and the engine is working hard (ie accelerating, or climbing hills). If I only put a moderate load on the engine, it rides just fine. So, I can either change the way I ride during the winter (yeah right!!), or I can get the carbs adjusted. And like I've heard, running rich is better all around. One question: Would adjusting the pilot screws richen up the mixture enough, or do I need to rejet? I've already experimented some with blocking off the radiator... it works to a point. My best bet is to let it warm up before I ride. I guess I'll start using my cage for commuting, and my bike for weekend rides. BTW, ST (and any others in the Annapolis area) if you'd like to go for a ride sometime when I'm out that way, I'm sure I can persuade her to join us. :) Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf"< Hey ya Rob, Go ahead and bump your main jet up one size. Don't mess with the mixture screw, that is a different thing entirely. You problem is between 3 & 4 grand. If you play with the mixture you effect the entire system. Your main jet is the ticket and it really is not that big a deal to change. You don't need to take it to the shop for that. Usually the biggest part of the job is getting at the base of the carb without removing the carb from the bike. I don't really know how the Shadow is set up, however, it is a v-twin. Is the carb on the side between the cylinders like a Harley is set up? You just drop off the float bowl and the main jet is right there. Replace it with one size larger and go for a ride. By the way did you change the pipes? Or are you running stock? That will make a big difference in your jetting needs. ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 09:09:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15258 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28124 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28057 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQS264EM; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:09:41 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 86-VFR-750 For Sale Message-ID: <19981004.233630.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <451469b.3616ae1f@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8,13-17 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:09:41 EDT >I'd like to get $3,000 for it. The MCN (3/98) price is $2,885 and NADA is over $3,000 >(I hear) for an average example, I think it is much better than average mechanically. > >Ciao, > >Fred I looked in the current NADA book. Their "average retail" price is slightly lower than the figure you quoted from MCN. However, considering all the work that you've done to the bike, I don't think you're asking too much at $3000. How many miles are on it and what kind of riding do you usually do? That's my 2 pennies worth... --Bikes R Us-- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 09:33:41 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (test4.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16216 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:32:09 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:29:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:32:28 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto: Pets still -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, but if "up from th' ground comes-a bubblin' crude," Ah ain't goin' ta no stinkin' Bev'ly Hills. >>> "Mersch, Tom" - 10/2/98 7:33 AM >>> Come and listen to muh story bout a man named Jed, a poor NOVA geek, barely kep his reptiles fed.... > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 3:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cfagan@XXXXXX; mike@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto: Pets still -Reply > > Aw hell Collin, you don't need no store. I'll just shoot ya a buncha > small rodents outta my back yard and ship 'em to ya. > > Joe > Savage .22 over .410 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 09:58:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17392 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28665 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29307 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zQB9Q-0003CZ-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:58:12 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:57:21 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCDB6@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:55:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Friday evening I went out to my bike on 17th & M where I always park it, lock the handlebars & put a disk lock on. Well, after work I went to start my bike & I couldn't get the ignition past off to on 'cause it wouldn't pop up. Tom came to my rescue an hour later after dealing with the puppy at the vet & informed me that someone had broken my steering lock - lucky me - and probably were trying to steal it. Now I get to pay for a new one - I'm so thrilled!! : ) AND pay for a NY lock hoping that will deter the thieves next time. Just thought I'd post this to the list...be careful out there! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:08:21 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17801 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3FUKa02301 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:07:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: speaking of pets... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Does anyone out there want a turtle? We have a red slider (I think that's the right name) that is healthy. It is too big for its tank now, and I feel mean for keeping it. We are not about to build a huge habitat, and since we are probably moving soon, this is a nice time to start getting items out of the house. If anyone is interested, please get back with me before Wednesday evening, otherwise we are going to give it to the local pet store, where we already know it is welcome. I think it is generally mild mannered, though it does hiss at one of the kids. He probably did something to deserve it. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:37:20 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18874 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29290 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01613 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA16025; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:36:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981005143631.REWK18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:36:31 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:35:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdf06d$68f79740$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCDB6@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 A NY lock and a high voltage source ought to do it. Any way you can keep one of the pit bulls close by too? :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) > > > Friday evening I went out to my bike on 17th & M where I always park it, > lock the handlebars & put a disk lock on. > Well, after work I went to start my bike & I couldn't get the ignition > past off to on 'cause it wouldn't pop up. > Tom came to my rescue an hour later after dealing with the puppy at the > vet & informed me that someone had broken my steering lock - lucky me - > and probably were trying to steal it. Now I get to pay for a new one - > I'm so thrilled!! : ) AND pay for a NY lock hoping that will deter the > thieves next time. > Just thought I'd post this to the list...be careful out there! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:40:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19178 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29349 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01711 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zQBoZ-0007HH-00; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:40:43 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:39:51 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCDBD@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:37:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Now THAT is a good idea! > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 10:36 AM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) > > Any way you can keep > one of the pit bulls close by too? :) > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:42:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19274 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29386 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01787 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (ewinslow@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10259; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Winslow To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCDB6@BADGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll second that message of caution. Last Wednesday night someone tried to steal my bike for the second time in one and a half months. This is in Mt. Pleasant on 19th St at Park Rd. They broke the ignition lock (it kinda still works) and that switch was just put in over the past weekend (the previous was garbled with a screwdriver in August). I had a Kryptonite disk lock on the front and they tried to cut the metal supporting the rotor with bolt cutters. They didn't get through it, however. Now I'm also slapping a Krypto U-lock on the rear wheel to further discourage tampering. I'm thinking about going with an alarm system. I'll at least throw on another disk lock on front, too. I usually have a cover on my bike (two stolen this year) and I do believe that that does discourage tampering to some degree. To prevent the cover theft I borrowed an idea from another bike I saw on T St around Dupont Circle. Instead of locking the cover at the bottom (where it can easily be cut and still used) I put two holes in the cover on the front end so that a strong cable lock can be passed through the holes and wrap around the front forks. Now, if they're going to take the cover they'll need decent bolt cutters (I don't think the cover stealers are going around with those) or they'll need to rip the crap out of the cover. We'll see how well this system works. Dealing with this crap in the city can be discouraging. Hopefully the extra locks will turn away the fiends. Eric M. Winslow '93 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Friday evening I went out to my bike on 17th & M where I always park it, > lock the handlebars & put a disk lock on. > Well, after work I went to start my bike & I couldn't get the ignition > past off to on 'cause it wouldn't pop up. > Tom came to my rescue an hour later after dealing with the puppy at the > vet & informed me that someone had broken my steering lock - lucky me - > and probably were trying to steal it. Now I get to pay for a new one - > I'm so thrilled!! : ) AND pay for a NY lock hoping that will deter the > thieves next time. > Just thought I'd post this to the list...be careful out there! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:44:46 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19312 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr7-dialup18.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0F0C00890ZLMMB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:44:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:40:23 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Racing To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501bdf087$3caa8020$924437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >Yes, and also I like the idea of a little company competing and winning >against Honda which has practically unlimited resources. II also like Aprilia >in the 250 for the same reason. I agree. I cheer for those guys, but I'm a Yamaha fan mostly. There are some riders I do follow, regardless of what they are riding. Honda is the "king of the hill" so to speak, because of there all out support and resources. Everyone shoots to beat Honda. >I think it's a little too much for Max in the 500, afterall it's his first >year and I think that the official factory Hondas have a little more ooopmh >than his. If Yamaha can get him to sign up with them next year it could be >interesting. >Ciao, >Fred I really hope he does it, though. 250 champion to 500 champion would be astonishing. No one expected Max to be this competitive his first year. Besides, Mick his been crying about the bikes being to "easy to ride". He just isn't use to racing guys like Rainey/Schwantz, who kicked his butt every race. Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 10:53:16 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19791 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:54:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:54:09 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MINEREG@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: DC-Cycles Logo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'll take one (maybe two, depending on price. Just back from Vegas. ;-) ) = XL, black or grey. Scooter >>> Sean Sullivan 10/02/98 04:23PM >>> RE: DC-Cycles Logo I did 1a and 1b. Harry put them up on the DC-Cycles web page with a = bunch of awesome designs by other list members. Don took the vote. Since 1b was picked, I felt I should be the = one to go find a print shop and make t-shirts. We already have a good number of people who have expressed interest. We = should have enough people to make it worth getting some in black and some in another color (gray? red? aqua? = yellow? Let me know and I'll see which is the most popular alternate). Most people are asking for XL and up in = size. Several people have asked for stickers. For those who haven't, please let me know what you'd like and if you'd = prefer an alternate color. Thanks. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will the designer of 1b please step forward and take a bow? I've used = your logo on the DC-Cycles Summit page http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/dcannual/ and now Sean is proposing T-Shirts. You might as well take credit, whomever you are. Todd <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:08:33 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20329 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:09:04 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Racing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I caught these races up close and personal over the weekend. Was at Vegas = with the Exup-Brotherhood and had Hot-Pit passes which put you right = there. You, concrete barrier, track. =3D8-0 Even got to meet Rich = Oliver and tour their trailers. Sorry, can't help myself. Just flew in = and came striaght to work. Working on about 1-1/2 hours of sleep right = now. Later, Scooter >>> "Jon S." 10/05/98 01:33AM >>> Dammitalltohell!!!!! I hate Carl Fogarty.......bastard won the WSB championship today. I was putting my money on Slighty, oh well. Haga = will dominate next year on the R7 8^) Good news back in the states, though. Ben Bostrom won the AMA = Superbike championship today, beating out Doug Chandler, who had some engine = trouble. Uncharacteristic of the Muzzy engine, but Ben rode great all year. His brother Eric will be the one to watch next year. 750 supersport, eh, it lost me with all those disqualification's to = Team Hypercycles Suzuki. Congrads to Steve Crevier, winning the 600 supersport championship. = The best bar to bar racing, IMO. I like to see the champion win races, = however, but consistency pays off I guess. Someone told me that Scott Russell will be coming back to the AMA series, but don't know if he's staying with Yamaha or not. Yamaha did fairly well, Rich Oliver 4th and Jamie Hacking 8th overall. Not bad for = the old YZF 750. Crappy weather kept me inside today, but caught some great racing. = More good news, the Cowboys spanked the Redskins! Woohoo....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:11:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20621 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29851 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02966 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 346 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:16 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:11:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: KBC Helmets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981005151116593.AAA238.346@vulture> I bought a KBC helmet as a spare. It is comfortable, full face, approved and cheap. Too cheap. Saturday the top vent cover popped off while riding and shattered beneath cage tires. Thought I would pass this info along in case anyone else uses their helmets.... KBC is supported by Tucker Rocky imports, and can be reached here: > Bill Carter > bcarter@XXXXXX > 4900 Alliance Gateway Freeway > Ft. Worth, Texas 76178 > 817-258-9214 I think they are going to replace the vent for free, and maybe even send me a new shield :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:12:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20697 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29902 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (known smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02978 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA60916 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:55:52 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA43194 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:11:06 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100023318753; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:15:55 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Message-ID: <5040100023318753000002L032*@MHS> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:15:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sorry to hear that Jeannette! Its a shame it happens so often and it seems there's nothing you can do about it. >> & informed me that someone had broken my steering lock - lucky me - >>and probably were trying to steal it. Now I get to pay for a new one - Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:25:19 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21154 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA17850 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981005152423.RWQJ18768@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:24:23 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: David Sward.... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdf074$192b90c0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 ...Contact me asayc. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:45:49 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22087 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09759 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K0DR>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:46:52 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Fwd: for sale Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's one from M/C online for anyone thinking of going racing next year...decent deal if bike is in good shape... 1993 Honda CBR 600 F2 wendl@XXXXXX Sat Oct 3 16:19:41 PDT 1998 Race Ready. Supersport legal. Great first bike. Ohlins shock, Two Brothers Stainless Steel Exhaust, Fresh 207's, Rebuilt cylinder head, some extras. $2,500/obo Contact: John Wendl 301-916-1325 Bike is in Maryland. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 11:53:11 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22214 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00457 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04338 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 299; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3618EB58.C3FA5A87@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:52:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: KBC Helmets References: <19981005151116593.AAA238.346@vulture> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Troutman wrote: > > I bought a KBC helmet as a spare. It is comfortable, full face, approved > and cheap. Too cheap. Saturday the top vent cover popped off while riding > and shattered beneath cage tires. T Just curious, how was it at deadening wind noise? I'd probably go with a cheaper helmet, but the ones I've tried are really, really noisy. As opposed to my Shoei, which is only really noisy. :( Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 12:15:40 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23393 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA06588 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:15:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981005154308.SELW18768@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:43:08 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: The Tire Changer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:42:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdf076$b4ff9da0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 2nd of several solicitations: Ok folks here it is again. To date, I have received two checks toward purchasing our tire changer. I have received many more promises like, "the check's in the mail." The cut-off for this endeavor is still October, 24th and if we don't have the funds by then, you are all subject to your local dealers pricing whims. If you don't think you have the money now, you'll wonder why not when you're paying the goblins. :) I'm gonna go ahead and list the original 40 people who pledged $30 each, again. This is my strong armed guilt tactic to get those checks rolling in. If EVERYONE pays, we'll have enough to purchase a decent balancer as well, but that's another day. Send me a check for $30. INCLUDE A SELF ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE (SASE). I will not accept a check from you any other way. I will collect your checks up to and during the 2nd annual DC-Cycles Gathering (October, 24 1998). If you bring it to me at the gathering, place it in a SASE. I will not cash your check until we have at LEAST $870 in hand. That's 29 people of the original 40. If we do not collect at LEAST $870 by the end of October, I will mail you your check back (one reason for the SASE). If we do collect enough and follow through with the purchase, I will send you proof of cooperative ownership (the other reason for the SASE). Make the check out to me: Todd B. Peer I will send you a confirmation of receipt via e-mail when I get your check. Keep it. Find my mailing address and, ownership details below: 1 Tom Trask 2 Glenn Dysart 3 Dale Horstman *PAID* 4 Tom Mersch 5 Collin Fagen 6 Steve Beck 7 Mark Sommerfield 8 Kirk Roy 9 Dave Diefend (ddiefend) 10 Jeannette O'Brien 11 Tom Zell 12 Jack (who owns a TL but still WantAZX6) 13 Alex Milenkovic 14 Donald Burger 15 Robert VanSlyke 16 George Howell 17 Jon Schumer 18 Zbig Tyrlik 19 Mike Benedict 20 David Cross 21 Linda Tanner 22 Sean Sullivan 23 Tom Gimer 24 Gil Nissley 25 Todd Peer 26 Ursulina Viteri 27 Anita Lauro 28 David Sward *PAID* 29 Louis Caplan 30 Chris Meier 31 Frank Artes 32 John Kozyn 33 Richard Westbrook 34 Franz (sesent@XXXXXX) 35 Jay St. Peter 36 Aki Damme 37 David Wakefield 38 Bill Swanson 39 Ralph Wiens 40 John Carver Mail $30 to me with a SELF ADDRESSED, "STAMPED" ENVELOPE to: Todd B. Peer 8605 Langport Drive Springfield, VA 22152 Ownership: If you intend and do send me money for the purpose of purchasing a tire changing tool, one of two things will happen; 1) the tool will be purchased and you will receive proof of cooperative ownership, or 2) I will send you your check back. I will not be held accountable for money/checks/money orders lost in the mail. - By participating in this cooperative, you are entitled to the use of the tire changer we end up purchasing at the convenience of Glenn Dysart. The tire changer will be located at Glenn Dysarts home, and will be generously powered by his electricity and his compressor. Glenn will more than likely be the guy who actually changes your tire, or at his discretion, he will instruct you how to do it. Please set up an appointment with Glenn to have your tire changed. - You must first secure permission from Glenn Dysart to have tires or other supplies delivered to his home. Glenn's a nice guy, don't abuse him or his home. - You will not be allowed to leave old tire carcasses at Glenns house. You must arrange for used tire disposal your own way. - Glenn has the right to decide that he does not want you on his property. I can't imagine why he would take this decision against anyone, but if this occurs it will result in your loss of share and the rights of use to any tools owned by DC-Cycles, and you will receive notice and a check for not more than $15 for your share. Your share will then be for sale. So, play nice. - Glenn has agreed to keep the tire changer at his home and make it available to share holders at his convenience. By popular vote, the tire changer may be moved to a more accessible location. - Your $30 pledge is a share in the cooperative. A share in this cooperative gives you full rights to the use of tools purchased by the cooperative. A share does not indicate ownership by an individual of the tools purchased by the cooperative. All tools purchased by the cooperative are owned by the cooperative and remain so until, by popular vote, they/it are sold. All proceeds from the sale of tools owned by the cooperative will be disbursed equitably among its members minus all postal and banking fees with regard to the sale. note: IOW, you don't own anything but a fair share. If by a popular vote the DC-Cycles want to sell one or more of the tools it acquires, they will be sold. - Your $30 pledge is a share in the cooperative. Don't abuse it. If you want to change a tire for a friend that is not on DC-Cycles or part of this cooperative, you must remit an additional $15/occurrence. Non-payment will result in your loss of share and the rights of use to any tools owned by DC-Cycles, and you will receive notice and a check for not more than $15 for your share. Your share will then be for sale. - If your check bounces after the necessary funds are collected for the initial purchase of the tire changer, you will be assessed a service fee of $20 and you will need to send a $50 'money order' to retain your share. If your money order is not received w/in two weeks, you will be banned from using any DC-cycles tools until you have paid the assessed service fee. Any service fees are separate from other mentioned fees. - Non-owners are welcome to use the tire-changer, by appointment only, for a cost of $15/tire with NO BALANCING (until we get a balancer). This cost is subject to change. More than likely it will go down over time. - All money collected above and beyond the initial offering for the cooperative will be allocated to the reparation of tools owned, the purchase of other useful tools for the cooperative use by DC-Cycles, or by vote to some other purpose. - If the offer of shares in the cooperative for DC-Cycles is successful and, by popular vote, it is decided to sell more shares, shares (a number to be determined) will be sold for the sole purpose of raising money to purchase or repair useful tools for the cooperative. - If for some crazy reason you want to quit motorcycling, or leave the DC area, or for personal reasons you want to leave the cooperative, you have the right to sell your share for whatever price you want. That share will continue to be registered to you unless you notify either Glenn Dysart, or me. This cooperative will not issue any sort of refund for the voluntary purchase/sale of a share. It is yours, and if you want to sell it, go ahead. - No guarantees are made that tools purchased in the interest of the DC-cycles will be in good repair, or available at anytime. However, every effort to keep said tools in good repair will be made. You are purchasing a share only, not a tool. If a tool breaks and we don't have money to fix it, it stays broken. - Even though this is ultimately a cooperative, it is not a democracy. The rules of ownership are as they are stated. If you feel there is something I've left out, please let me know so I can include it. If you feel that some of these rules are overly restrictive, don't buy a share. You will not gain voters rights by purchasing more than one share, but if you feel so inclined please do. All you need to participate in the cooperative is a single share. If you'd like to speculate on the later date price of the shares, you're welcome to. TIA From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 12:29:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23940 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01001 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05710 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 353; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:03 -0400 X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:28:30 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: KBC Helmets Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3618EB58.C3FA5A87@tidalwave.net> References: <19981005151116593.AAA238.346@vulture> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981005162902436.AAA238.353@vulture> >Just curious, how was it at deadening wind noise? >I'd probably go with a cheaper helmet, but the >ones I've tried are really, really noisy. Actually - it _is_ pretty quiet. That could be because it is a lot too small for me. I have a Shoei RF800 size XL that fits great, and the KBC is size L (i can wear it, so can the S.O. w/o too much jiggle). Be wary of the price. I paid $150 at Manassas Honda, and later saw an ad for the same helmet that said suggested retail $109.00 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 13:08:41 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25572 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3CNDa03785 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:07:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Tire Changer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 I am new to your list and don't know all the facts that came before this. I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is like trying to herd cats. Todd, you are a brave man to take on this type of task. It is very difficult to bring a small group to consensus let alone 40 of them. The idea of owning tools in order to provide a better price for list members is wonderful. The reality of it is another story. You will forever have headaches if you continue down this path. There really isn't any ties that bond the list members together. This group is open to anyone who merely sighs up. Unlike a traditional M/C where someone has to prospect. They must work to become a member there by building a strong bond between the club and it's members. The program you are attempting to setup is always going to have someone feeling ripped off or inconvenienced. Your paperwork is going to be an on going hassle due to people screaming foul. The member who is in at the beginning will complain about the new guy who just showed up and has all the same rights. I mean no disrespect here, I just wanted to share some of what I have learned over the years. I might suggest you spend your efforts trying to work out a deal with a bike shop for discounted prices to list members. Matter of fact, since your T-shirts aren't printed yet, you maybe able to offer sponsorship advertising on the shirt. List members are already going to pay for the shirts, therefore, giving the shop a no cash out of pocket advertisement before they ever even give up a discount. I really can't think of a shop owner not being very interested in such a deal. Just my thoughts. ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 13:16:59 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25790 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:04:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01bdf082$8c9dabc0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000f01bdf076$b4ff9da0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Two things... Where does Glenn live? Second, suppose Glenn decides to get out of cycling, moves, etc... Do we still get to crash his house? (Glenn, I'd send direct, but can't find your address) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 14:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28766 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4KGA3G5S>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Thieves !(?) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Wow you guys are really making me happy that I have a locked building to keep my bikes in. People don't steal what they don't see. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 14:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28807 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 339 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <36191079.B77A0457@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:31:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: cool doggie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw something pretty neat the other day. I was passing a cage on a beautiful afternoon ride, and I noticed that the driver's side window was down. This little white french poodle was sitting in the driver's lap, and it was sized just right to stick his head out the window, and rest his chin on the door. So this little dog is flying down the road, his eyes half closed, his curly little hair moving gently in the breeze, just as content as can be. Normally I don't give much thought to little dogs, (except for the amusement they provide while punting them around :) - but I somehow felt a connection to that mutt right then. I was riding around too, enjoying being out in the wind. That's one of the reasons I ride. For once, probably the first time in history, a sissified little white french poodle was a pretty cool dog. :) Ride on, all my two legged and four legged friends! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 14:35:29 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29174 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4KGA3G05>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , Todd Peer , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: The Tire Changer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:33:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I live in beautiful downtown Annandale. Virginia for you Waldorf people (is Waldorf on Earth? :-). If I get out of cycling (very unlikely unless I die) it will go to another members house. Glenn > Two things... > > Where does Glenn live? > > Second, suppose Glenn decides to get out of cycling, moves, etc... Do we > still get to crash his house? > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 16:45:15 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04779 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA19359; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981005204410.VZYD18768@XXXXXX>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:44:10 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: More on the tire changer. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Seems like the only grief I'm getting so far are from the naysayors and those who doubt that this will happen. What-ever. Please take note: DC-Cycles is NOT a M/C Club. If it ever becomes one, I'm outta here. If you read the rules of cooperative ownership, you'll notice that only those 'people' who will have anything to say about the tire changer are those that buy a share of the cooperative. And then, they will only have the voice of one of many. There will be no 'new members' to cry foul, only 'old members' to sell their share. Honestly though, if you use the tire changer just twice, you are doing better than most every other person paying up to $30 to have a single tire changed. What are you gonna bitch about? But to be perfectly clear about it, in case someone has misunderstood, there are no garauntees concerning the tire changer whatsoever. If I get the money within the specified time period, we'll buy the tool and you'll be set to save some $$$. Maybe then you can afford those expensive gloves you've been wanting, or whatever. If I don't get the money, you'll get your check back (assuming you sent a SASE with it). And fwiw, I'm sure Glenn Dysart is uninterested in profiting from the fact that he is hosting the machine, and I sure ain't making money trying to pull it together. I'm also certain of Glenns character, and I don't think he plans to pull any "it's on my property, I own it" shit. He has come to the rescue of a number of people on this list, so I don't get the feeling he's ready to screw us. I realize you are new to this list. There seem to be a number of newbies on this list, probably due to the recent public exposure of all lists by MCN. But just so you know, there are quite a few people here who have been participating on this list for a couple of years. I know one guy who's been here for about 4 years. And a lot of us ride together frequently. Over this time period there have been some very frustrating comments made toward the MC dealerships in the area and their service pricing. The tire changing machine cooperative purchase idea is not mine. It was born of frustration about paying up to $30 in some cases to have 1 damned tire changed. The idea of a group purchase is not new, we are just taking it to a different level. Thank you for your comments. Todd > > I am new to your list and don't know all the facts that came before this. > I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is > like trying > to > herd cats. Todd, you are a brave man to take on this type of task. It is > very > difficult to bring a small group to consensus let alone 40 of > them. The idea > of owning tools in order to provide a better price for list members is > wonderful. > The reality of it is another story. You will forever have > headaches if you > continue > down this path. There really isn't any ties that bond the list members > together. This group is open to anyone who merely sighs up. Unlike a > traditional M/C where someone has to prospect. They must work to become a > member there by building a strong bond between the club and it's > members. The > program you are attempting to setup is always going to have > someone feeling > ripped off or inconvenienced. Your paperwork is going to be an on going > hassle due to people screaming foul. The member who is in at the > beginning > will complain about the new guy who just showed up and has all the same > rights. I mean no disrespect here, I just wanted to share some > of what I have > learned over the years. I might suggest you spend your efforts > trying to work > out a deal with a bike shop for discounted prices to list > members. Matter of > fact, since your T-shirts aren't printed yet, you maybe able to offer > sponsorship advertising on the shirt. List members are already > going to pay > for the shirts, therefore, giving the shop a no cash out of pocket > advertisement before they ever even give up a discount. I really > can't think > of a shop owner not being very interested in such a deal. Just my > thoughts. > ST > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 16:58:54 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05245 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WUMa007909; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77312aca.36193112@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:50:26 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Easy Todd, Frankly I don't give a rat's ass what you do. I hope it all works out great for all of you. It is a nice idea, I was just pointing out some of the things I've learned. Peace to ya, ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 18:41:55 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09447 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQT23HQC; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:26:58 EDT To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Message-ID: <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-7,9-10,14-15,23-26 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:26:58 EDT >> I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is like trying to herd cats. >>Todd, you are a brave man to take on this type of task. Who else imagined someone actually trying to herd cats when they read this? todd.b.peer@XXXXXX> writes: >Seems like the only grief I'm getting so far are from the naysayers and those who >doubt that this will happen. What-ever. In my opinion, what you are attempting is both laudable and feasible. The rules of the agreement are perfectly clear. The only problems I see are (for Todd) a little one of record-keeping, and (for Glenn) occasional inconvenience. Both easily overcome. I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so this wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that my store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for us to make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, I'm not in a policy-making position here. HOWEVER, I am learning from this list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears of higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully something will pay off. --Bikes R Us-- (So many bikes. So little time...) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 19:10:18 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10441 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RADFa02082; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <183a220e.36194e0d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:54:05 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Speaking of services that a Bike Shop could provide that only Bob's BMW does is a loaner bike. There are motorcyclists that would spend a little more to be able to drop off a bike for service and not have to have someone pick them up. My wife, for example, won't do it she really is not enamored with this particular hobby of mine. Alternatively, a shop could make a deal with a local Thrifty or Enterprise rent-a-car and when the customer asks, arrange that a car be made available for the few hours it requires for regular service. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 21:41:15 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16241 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id VAA26537; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:36:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma026525; Mon, 5 Oct 98 21:36:10 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0D008OUTPW14@XXXXXX>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256695.000860D2 ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:31:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:33:05 -0400 Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Cc: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256695.00086544.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, perhaps if the changer falls through, we can work a deal with your shop ... of course you and your shop would have to be outted on the list. :-) Also, look at your argument conversely ... Let's say that you loose $30/tire change (charging $10 instead of $40), using those numbers across 40 tire changes lost this year = a net loss to the shop of $1200/year. Surely that $1200 is a concession your bosses can live with in order to gain 40 happy customers coming back there to buy other accessories/play toys? You would make up for the loss in customer loyalty (atleast on my part). I don't want to sound as if I am speaking for the list (I am not), but it is my sense that folks here do not object to dealers making a profit (we understand that is why they are in business), but rather that some of the costs are rediculously marked up. Most notably, tires, tire change fees, and factory service fees. Although some people have been soured by dealer incompetency and will do virtually all work themselves. I can understand large mark-ups to a certain extent in a small market, but in an area like metro DC, I would think you could recover the loss of profit through increased sales levels. However, there are a lot of suckers out there ... I personally patronize one dealership in the area that treats me well. They do happen to have the best prices I have found so far, but that is not the only reason I patronize them. It is however, what brought me inthe door ... I have posted both positive and negative dealer experiences to this list, and will continue to do so ... it is one of the greatest benefits I get form the list (other than commeraderie) I have even avoided shops based on other's experiences. --chris BTW, Todd I have been on this list 4 years as of this past August ... interesting to note the changes over the years. I can name several who have been here longer than myself. I also remember gettin in a DC-related flame war with Horkster when he was a list newbie ... Nice to see he has straightened up over the years. :-) To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: 10/05/98 10:26:58 PM GMT Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. --snip-- I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so this wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that my store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for us to make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, I'm not in a policy-making position here. HOWEVER, I am learning from this list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears of higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully something will pay off. --Bikes R Us-- (So many bikes. So little time...) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 23:56:04 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21568 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.25]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:43:57 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , Cc: , Subject: RE: More on the tire changer. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:46:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bdf0db$d5c4f200$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <183a220e.36194e0d@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not sure about Battley's, but Morton's also does this. Might be a BMW thing. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 6:54 PM > To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX; todd.b.peer@XXXXXX > Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. > > > Speaking of services that a Bike Shop could provide that only > Bob's BMW does > is a loaner bike. There are motorcyclists that would spend a > little more to > be able to drop off a bike for service and not have to have > someone pick them > up. My wife, for example, won't do it she really is not enamored > with this > particular hobby of mine. Alternatively, a shop could make a deal with a > local Thrifty or Enterprise rent-a-car and when the customer asks, arrange > that a car be made available for the few hours it requires for regular > service. > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 5 23:56:06 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21570 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.25]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:43:23 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: , Subject: RE: More on the tire changer. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bdf0db$9e703620$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You're losing every bit of 40 changes per year. I'd say that on this list, the average lister changes tires 1.5 times per year. At 30 people (the minimum, I think) involved, there's 45 changes. 60 if 40 people get in, if 50, you are up to 75. And if we let others use the machine for a time or two... Punitive prices on tire changes don't endear customers. You'll catch more bees with honey. Etc. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Bikes R Us [mailto:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 6:27 PM > To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX > Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. > > > >> I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is like > trying to herd cats. >>Todd, you are a brave man to take on this type of > task. > > Who else imagined someone actually trying to herd cats when they read > this? > > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX> writes: > >Seems like the only grief I'm getting so far are from the naysayers and > those who >doubt that this will happen. What-ever. > > In my opinion, what you are attempting is both laudable and feasible. The > rules of the agreement are perfectly clear. The only problems I see are > (for Todd) a little one of record-keeping, and (for Glenn) occasional > inconvenience. Both easily overcome. > > I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so this > wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that my > store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for us to > make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, I'm > not in a policy-making position here. HOWEVER, I am learning from this > list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears of > higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully > something will pay off. > > --Bikes R Us-- > (So many bikes. So little time...) > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 00:45:32 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23687 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08681; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361B03CC.DCBB9348@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 02:01:48 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Bikes R Us , todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. References: <002401bdf0db$9e703620$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not exactly the average lister, but in the first year and a half that I lived here, I went through 8 sets of tires on my street bike before I sold it.... Now that I'm racing, I'm going through a set at the rate of a weekend and a half.... If I'd ahve found a shop willing to get in the ballpark with mail order, I would have bought them local and even paid the mounting, unfortunatley, we've done this thread so many times before...Local tire prices I found cost almost as much for a single rear as a set cost through the mail.... George Howell wrote: > I'd say that on this list, > the average lister changes tires 1.5 times per year. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 06:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA07838 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:34:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TEHGa03785; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6ccce60a.3619f11a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:29:46 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/6/98 12:51:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << Local tire prices I found cost almost as much for a single rear as a set cost through the mail.... >> I wonder why there is such a discrepancy in tire prices? Other items are not so much more expensive at some local dealers/accessory shops. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 08:03:38 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11538 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A7135E2020A; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:03:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006080712.00fe6370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:07:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. In-Reply-To: <183a220e.36194e0d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:54 PM 10/5/98 , Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >Speaking of services that a Bike Shop could provide that only Bob's BMW does >is a loaner bike. Morton's BMW will also provide a loaner bike while yours is serviced. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:06:51 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14204 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 161; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:05:50 -0400 Message-ID: <361A15DF.4EE462B@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:06:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so this > wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that my > store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for us to > make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, I'm > not in a policy-making position here. I agree with you. If I could buy a tire from a dealer at or near mail order prices, (or bring one in that I bought elsewhere) and pay another $10 to have it mounted and balanced on a rim I brought in (I suppose we'd have to include removing the old tire, huh?), I don't think anyone on this list could be having a discussion about a group tire changer. I certainly wouldn't bother with it in that case. Now, I know some riders don't like to (aren't willing to?) pull their own wheels and bring them to the store, so I can understand charging labor for this. Bike wheels are a little more involved to remove and replace than car wheels. But I digress. > HOWEVER, I am learning from this > list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears of > higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully > something will pay off. I certainly hope so, too. I'm frankly surprised that there aren't more dealers lurking around here doing just this very thing. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:15:41 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14332 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A7F77DB01DA; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:15:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006091959.01013da0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:20:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Fwd: Beating a Traffic Ticket? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody ever heard of this one? Any idea if it works? sounds too good to be true, but with a bureaucracy anything's possible, Chris Norloff >---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- >Date: 10/05 10:51 PM > >Subject: How to beat a speeding ticket!!!!! > > If you find that you have got a speeding ticket or you have gone > through a red light or what ever you do to lose demerit points > from your license, I have heard of a method to ensure that you DON'T > lose any points. > > It is this: > When you get your fine, send a check to pay it, and if the fine > is, say $79 then make the cheque out for $82 or some small amount > above the fine. The system will then have to send you a cheque back for > the difference so eventually you get a cheque for $3 . > > Now, here is the trick - > DON'T cash the check - > Throw it away. Demerit points are not removed from your license > until all of the financial transactions are complete. If you >don't cash the cheque then the transactions are not complete, >however, the system has got its money so it is happy and doesn't >bother you anymore. > > >----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:17:40 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14613 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id OAA28052; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:14:58 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027891; Tue, 6 Oct 98 14:14:16 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com ([10.44.240.44]) by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0E00EI4Q4EZK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:14:39 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 80256695.00484834 ; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:09:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:10:24 -0400 Subject: FS: 98 YZF600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: john.sirmon@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256695.00483D15.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Posted for a friend/co-worker ... please respond directly to him. I have seen the bike (located in Fairfax area), it is clean and well maintained. --------------------------------------------------- Here's the info. on the bike. 1998 Yamaha YZF 600-R 800 miles, Black/Red/White. Also included 2 matching helmets and loading ramp for pickup truck. $6900 Please contact me at: home (703)322-9736 email: john.sirmon@XXXXXX -------------------------------------------------- --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14700 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 302; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: <361A193F.1651A757@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:21:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. References: <85256695.00086544.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher Meier wrote: > BTW, Todd I have been on this list 4 years as of this past August ... > interesting to note the changes over the years I also > remember gettin in a DC-related flame war with Horkster when he > was a list newbie ... Nice to see he has straightened up over the > years. :-) > Me? Flame war? Nah... :) Lessee, I started riding street bikes again in the Summer of '96, so I probably first signed up to this list that Fall. So I've been around a little over 2 years. I only sort of vaguely remember this, was this about me complaining about the horrible riding conditions in the District? I think you subsequently led a DC cycles group ride throught the city that I missed - maybe you can do that again? I'm braver now. :) Hope I was polite to you back then, Chris, you actually turned out to be a pretty cool guy! :) Regards, Horkster (still a newbie, I just keep forgetting) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:32:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15105 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16848 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usi-exchange01.usinternetworking.com (known usi-exchange01.usi.net [208.241.240.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06675 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by usi-exchange01.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Groves, Mark" To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)" , "Suzuki Mail-List (E-mail)" , "'katana@XXXXXX'" Subject: FS: '94 Katana 600 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:26:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am selling my '94 Katana 600.=A0 It has about 6500 miles on it good = shape.=A0=20 I am looking to get $2900 for it.=A0 Anyone interested please e-mail = me. =A0 Mark Groves=A0=A0=20 Senior = Consultant=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=20 Web Engineering=20 US internetworking Inc.=20 (Phone) 410.897.4543=20 (Pager) 888.750.4757=20 (Cell) 703.906.1612=20 email:Mark.Groves@XXXXXX=20 http://www.USinternetworking.com =20 =A0 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:32:38 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15115 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABF28CB01F0; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:32:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:37:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. In-Reply-To: <361A15DF.4EE462B@tidalwave.net> References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Bikes R Us wrote: > I think it would be better for us to > make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. To MAKE $10 or to CHARGE $10? Big difference. >Dale Horstman wrote: >If I could buy a tire from a dealer at or near >mail order prices, (or bring one in that I bought elsewhere) and pay >another $10 to have it mounted and balanced on a rim I brought in (I >suppose we'd have to include removing the old tire, huh?), I don't >think anyone on this list could be having a discussion about a group >tire changer. I certainly wouldn't bother with it in that case. I've been changing and balancing my own tires for 12 years (about 120,000 miles). My fastest time, including removing the wheel from the bike, was 45 minutes. Usually it's about an hour total of which about 30 minutes is spent breaking the bead, removing the old tire, cleaning the rim, installing the new tire, setting the bead, and balancing the wheel. I wouldn't do that for $10. I wouldn't even just change and balance the tire for $10 (unless it was for a friend). And that $10 is supposed to include the tire changer ($800 to $3500, right?), the tire balancer, the shop, and insurance? I think the economics of the situation paint a different picture. But perhaps it would be in the dealer's interest to sell tires, tire changing, and tire balancing at a loss, to get more people in the door. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:50:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15958 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17059 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usi-exchange01.usinternetworking.com (known usi-exchange01.usi.net [208.241.240.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07260 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by usi-exchange01.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Groves, Mark" To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" , "'Suzuki Mail-List (E-mail)'" , "'katana@XXXXXX'" Subject: Recall: FS: '94 Katana 600 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:07 -0400 Expiry-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:47:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Groves, Mark would like to recall the message, "FS: '94 Katana 600". From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 09:50:49 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15963 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17062 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usi-exchange01.usinternetworking.com (known usi-exchange01.usi.net [208.241.240.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07263 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by usi-exchange01.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Groves, Mark" To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" , "'Suzuki Mail-List (E-mail)'" , "'katana@XXXXXX'" Subject: FS: '94 Katana 600 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:45:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am selling my '94 Katana 600.=A0 It has about 6500 miles on it good = shape.=A0=20 I am looking to get $3600 for it.=A0 Anyone interested please e-mail = me. =A0 Mark Groves=A0=A0=20 Senior = Consultant=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=20 Web Engineering=20 US internetworking Inc.=20 (Phone) 410.897.4543=20 (Pager) 888.750.4757=20 (Cell) 703.906.1612=20 email:Mark.Groves@XXXXXX=20 http://www.USinternetworking.com =20 =A0 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:00:27 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16442 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981006140034.7912.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 07:00:34 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: Speeding Tickets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Re the speeding ticket email (overpay, get refund): From personal experience I can tell you it DON'T work that way. If you overpay, what's supposed to happen is the check comes back to you, and you end up paying a penalty for late payment. What sometimes happens is you just made a donation to the city, county or state and you still get the points. How to beat the points? For one, don't get caught. I'm always very careful to look for police cars before I run a red light or stopsigh. If that don't work, plead no contest and spend 8 hours in traffic school - no points in most states. You may ask how I know this. Well, when I was young and stupid I used to get LOTS of tickets. But I changed, I'm not young anymore. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:31:24 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17612 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 339; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:30:19 -0400 Message-ID: <361A29B0.364C8C72@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:31:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Usually it's about an hour total of which about 30 minutes is > spent breaking the bead, removing the old tire, cleaning the rim, > installing the new tire, setting the bead, With the tire changing machines, this goes much quicker, though. I don't think it took Art Crow more than 10 minutes to change my tire while I stood around and bs'ed with him, and that included cleaning up the axle grease mess my silly father-in-law used to lube the beads on the old tire when he installed it for me. Remember me now, Art? :) > and balancing the wheel. Another 5-10 minutes there. > I wouldn't do that for $10. I wouldn't even just change and balance the > tire for $10 (unless it was for a friend). And that $10 is supposed to > include the tire changer ($800 to $3500, right?), the tire balancer, the > shop, and insurance? I agree, as a shop doing a tire change for $10 with tire spoons is not fun, or even profitable. Too much cursing and sweating involved. (Although I talked Leon into changing a tire for me last week, and he didn't curse or sweat too much. ~45 minutes total). Life is made easier with a decent tire changer, I believe. Don't forget, most shops also replace the valve stem (on tubeless rims, at least) and charge ~$7, which I can get mail order for $2. (Nice markup.) And I think they use new wheel weights (don't know the cost, but they can't be expensive). I can live with re-using my valve stems and weights a few times each (for free), I think. > I think the economics of the situation paint a different picture. But > perhaps it would be in the dealer's interest to sell tires, tire changing, > and tire balancing at a loss, to get more people in the door. I don't really think this is such a huge issue for the majority of bikers, who's bikes only accumulate 10K miles in a lifetime. Tire concerns are limited to how much dry rot you are willing to risk, not how bald the tread is. My $30 investment in a group tire changer will pay off the first time I use it, which would be soon (my rear tire is starting to look like Telly Savalas after a Nair bath). In a year's time, I will have saved over $150 on tire changing costs on my bike alone. (assuming 5 tire changes at $30 each, 2 fronts and 3 rears on the Concours). The tire changer is a no brainer for me. I just need to convince about 27 other people that it's a no-brainer for them, too, so that we can go get this darned thing. :) I guess my biggest need is finding tires that I can get more than 10-15,000 miles on. With a tire changer at my disposal, I can experiment with different tire types and not feel so bad if I get a set that I REALLY don't like, and have to replace. BTW, Chris, are you considering buying into this deal? I'm not sure if you favor the idea or not. Just curious. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:35:43 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17874 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 335; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: <361A2ABB.230A1A9A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:35:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: DC Cycles List Subject: How'd the group ride go this weekend? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita, You held your group ride this past weekend, right? How did it go? I wanted to make the ride, but ended up fighting fires at work all weekend. :( Any chance you could sneak me a copy of the ride sheet, so I can check it out? You might also want to give it to Collin so he can post it on his Area Rides page. A neat page, btw, some cool former group rides are found there - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:39:00 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17902 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 297; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:38:03 -0400 Message-ID: <361A2B7F.7E8B1430@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:38:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding Tickets References: <19981006140034.7912.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray wrote: > How to beat the points? For one, don't get caught. I'm > always very careful to look for police cars before I run a red light > or stopsigh. Did you ever try just stopping? Red light runners simply annoy the hell out of me. I wish you'd very carefully look for pedestrians or cross traffic instead of police cars before you end up killing someone. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:49:43 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18346 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22908; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K0H7>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:50:38 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: How'd the group ride go this weekend? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:50:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for the compliments Dale... The page has been really nbeglected lately due to my laziness in typing up some of my favorite rides.... So if anyone has some good rides written down, feel free to zap them to me and I'll ad em. If you do send me one though, make sure it's a followable route... I've received a couple of ones that say "Head out on Route XX, then just take off on any side rooute and have fun" Those are nice for an exploration trip, but a lot harder for someone that may not be as familiar with the backwoods areas around here... (You can always ad some notes that give some exploratory recommendations off of a set route...) Other good notes to ad are lunch stop recommendations...Like Huckleberry's in Middleburg, that cool little diner (forget the name blue and white on the main strip) in Lurray that CAMS stopped at a few times, etc... > -----Original Message----- > > Any chance you could sneak me a copy of the ride sheet, so > I can check it out? You might also want to give it to Collin > so he can post it on his Area Rides page. A neat page, btw, > some cool former group rides are found there - > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 10:59:27 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18828 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A03AB206B6; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:59:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006105651.00f91890@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:02:45 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Tire Life [was: More on the tire changer. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361A29B0.364C8C72@tidalwave.net> References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I guess my biggest need is finding tires that I can get more >than 10-15,000 miles on. It's as easy as ordering tires from JC Whitney, and as hard as riding on tires with less traction (including in the rain) than you have now. Leon Begeman has told me of hard tires he bought from JC Whitney (Cheng Shin, I think). He got 30,000 miles out of one, but it was as hard as a rock, and had about as much traction as a rock, if I recall him correctly. I think 10-15,000 miles is pretty good for tires. You can get Metzeler Marathon (ME88) tires that have reasonable traction and reasonable tire life). Remember how ridiculously small our tire contact patch is with the ground. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:01:10 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18880 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23922; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K02A>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Oops RE: How'd the group ride go this weekend? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:02:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oh yeah, I forgot to add...Only a couple of folks showed up (so I was told by a fella I met out in Manassas). I missed the meeting time and stopped in BK to grab a bite of breakfast..Ran in to the other guy on a Connie and he told me only 4 or 5 folks showed, and Alan and Anita weren't among them :) I'm guessing the cold and drizzle chased most everyone off... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:02:36 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18890 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981006150251.14854.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:02:51 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: LOOKING FOR INFO ON EUROPE To: thumper@XXXXXX, near@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vidiots@XXXXXX, seriders@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm looking for info on Holland and Germany. I'm planning to go to the Assen GP next June and I've never been to Europe. I would appreciate info from everyone who has ever been there. Specific info needed is weather in late June, what I need to rent a car and drive, cheap places to stay, directions on how to get to Assen from the US air force bases in Germany, and any other useful info. Ray raymondlucas@XXXXXX 410 762 6710 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:18:33 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19788 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18412 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwwnni.us.newbridge.com (known wwwnni.us.newbridge.com [204.177.219.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10133 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 740CDT.us.newbridge.com (herndon-gw1 [204.177.219.66]) by wwwnni.us.newbridge.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA09619; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Donovan" To: , "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" Subject: FS 1992 GSX1100G Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:10:31 -0400 Message-ID: <005001bdf13b$75d06cc0$2443788a@740CDT.us.newbridge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: red, 5000 miles, new metzler rubber F&R, progressive springs... its a nice ride, but I dont ride it enough anymore... $3250 -jd From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:19:28 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19806 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 362; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:18:32 -0400 Message-ID: <361A34FC.4627E7A9@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:19:24 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006105651.00f91890@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Leon Begeman has told me of hard tires he bought from JC Whitney (Cheng > Shin, I think). He got 30,000 miles out of one, but it was as hard as a > rock, and had about as much traction as a rock, if I recall him correctly. You are right, Chris. I like the grip I get out of my current stock tires, but (unlike Collin! :), I wear mine out in the centers first. I like the idea of the dual compound tires, where the harder, longer wearing part is in the middle, and the softer, grippier stuff is on the edges. I just haven't heard much about them yet. I imagine that straight line braking and wet weather traction (where the bike is more or less upright, who leans when it's wet?) might still be compromised, though. Sigh. > I think 10-15,000 miles is pretty good for tires. You can get Metzeler > Marathon (ME88) tires that have reasonable traction and reasonable tire life). I actually tried the Metzeler Me88's on my LTD, but I was unimpressed with them. They felt ok initially, but the front started cupping very quickly, and the rear squared off alarmingly fast for me. And I thought I was hitting curvy roads in a decent proportion to the straight highway miles I was doing. Guess I wasn't leaning enough. I also have a Metzeler Me55 on the back of the Connie right now (only tire I could find locally that fit after I punched a hole in the stock rear), it's bald after only about 6k miles. Don't think I'll buy another Metzeler for a while. :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:33:37 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20322 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26317; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K02V>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:34:46 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC622@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:34:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > > You are right, Chris. I like the grip I get out of my > current stock tires, but (unlike Collin! :), > Yeah...I really hated throwing away tires that had 4mm of tread left in the centers (had 4.5 when I got em) but 0 left on the outside inch or so... > I like the idea of the dual compound tires, > where the harder, longer wearing part is in the middle, and > the softer, grippier stuff is on the edges. I just haven't > heard much about them yet. I imagine that straight line > braking and wet weather traction (where the bike is more > or less upright, who leans when it's wet?) might still be > compromised, though. > > Sorry for not snipping any of the above, but it's all within context... Try the Avon Azarros Dale. Their belts are tightly wound in the center and loosley wound along the sidewalls and outside edges. I think for someone that isn't doing the West Side Double Yellow kind of riding all the time, they would be an excellent tire. Firm in the middle, but sticky on the edges. AND...they were the best tire I've ever used in the rain. I'm not sure how long they would last on a heavier bike, but I got double the mileage out of them than I did on Dunlop D204's on my 525 pound 93 GSXR750 (yes it was that heavy...pig) And like I said, that was wearing down the outsidee edges on the front and fairly even wear on the rear.. I'd bet on something like a CBR F# and moderate riding, one could easily break the 10k mile mark..maybe even higher.. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:51:39 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21222 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA00954; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981006155059.ETZN31405@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:50:59 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdf140$f95a7d60$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <361A34FC.4627E7A9@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Dale Horstman wrote > > I also have a Metzeler Me55 on the back of the Connie > right now (only tire I could find locally that fit after > I punched a hole in the stock rear), it's bald after only > about 6k miles. Don't think I'll buy another Metzeler for > a while. :( I hear you. Try the Dunlop D205's. They fit your riding style and you'll get right around 11k out of the rear. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21250 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810061552.LAA21250@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4HH9LXJA>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:52:20 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:49:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well, I ride probably somewhere inbetween Collin and Dale.. I don't ware off the edges, yet my tires seem to wear pretty uniformily. Maybe it's just the fact that I ride sporty and demand good rubber on my tires (good determined by grip in this instance). But if I were to get 6k out of a tire, I'd be pretty happy (I replace tires when they hit the wear-bars.. not the threads). 5k was normal, and almost all brands would do that.. Right now I've got some Pirelli tires on that have lots of tread left with over 6k miles on them.. with 1 noticable, major drawback.. they ride terribly in the rain/wet. Personally, I'm happy with the compromise.. I don't ride hard in the rain, and I get a bit more tire life. I'll have to make comments when/if I manage to get my F2 wheel conversion going.. bias-ply vs radial on the same bike with the same rider.. ought to be interesting... Oh, Pirelli owns (is owned by?) Metzeler.. that's why I coppied the below info.. maybe it has something to do with weight and/or power.. Dale has more of both.. Brian.. Oh, yea.. I'm back.. :P *I also have a Metzeler Me55 on the back of the Connie *right now (only tire I could find locally that fit after *I punched a hole in the stock rear), it's bald after only *about 6k miles. Don't think I'll buy another Metzeler for *a while. :( From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 11:59:22 1998 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21617 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/08/04 5.11)) id LAA27849; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id LAA27338; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: TURNIP To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How'd the group ride go this weekend? In-Reply-To: <361A2ABB.230A1A9A@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While I didn't participate in the DC-Cycles group ride I did attempt to hook up with members of the VFR list for a two day ride in southern Ohio. I left work at 4pm on Friday and headed west on 7 then 50 through West "By God" Virginia. Route 50 in West Virginia was a lot of fun especially Saddle Pass(?) mountain just before Mt. Storm which was extremely twisty and steep. As darkness fell I headed to I68 and reached Washington, PA around 9 pm and hooked up with a VFR lister who put me up for the night. Saturday morning the weather reports where less than encouraging but we decided to head out anyways and the group consisted of 3 98VFRs, 1 96VFR, 2 GSXR750s (one with a beautiful posished frame),and 1 TL1000R(?). We proceeded west to Cambridge, Ohio on some beautiful and twisty roads with only a few rain drops coming down (lots and lots of road kill however). When we reached Cambridge we picked up another 98VFR but unfortunately we had ridden directly into the approaching front and after lunch it was raining steadily. At this point the ride pretty much seemed to fell apart and there was even more rain forecast for Sunday so I decided to head back towards D.C. (Where the weather was fine) on the superslab 70/79/68. I stuck to the highways till I reached Cumberland, MD and had finally outrun the weather front. I then took 50 through MD and WV till I got to Winchester. 50 is a nice road on which to travel mach 1 but isn't very twisty at all it does however have some nice scenery to recommend it. After reaching Winchester I took 7 back home. Sunday I washed the bike. While my weekend didn't turn out quite as I planed it was still an entertaining 715 mile adventure. Hugh A. Caldwell 92 ZR750-C2 98 VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 12:58:47 1998 Return-Path: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24046 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3YVPa10655 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <98cfc2d4.361a4bd6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:56:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Random Thoughts Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 <> Herding cats is one description of working as a lobbyist for a living. The other (Trent Lott's favorite) is loading frogs into a wheelbarrow. Bike theft: I work right around the corner from the bike slots at 17th and M. There's constant foot traffic, a lot of street-front retail, etc. If the slimebucket bike thieves will try it here, they'd do it in front of a police station. So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I pay $175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow me access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want someone to hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do something about it. List: I too am a relative newbie, thanks to MCN's listing. I bought a V-Max last week, and posted for input from current owners, and several thoughtful folks took considerable time to put me through V-Max 101 by e-mail, saving me lots of effort to get up to speed -- so to speak. My thanks to them -- I just wish I'd known about the list earlier. HCM From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 12:59:43 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24066 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04762; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:54:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199810061654.MAA04762@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , DC Cycles List , Horkster@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:54:45 -0400 Subject: Re: How'd the group ride go this weekend [OOPS!]? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61E@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 6 Oct 98, at 11:02, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Oh yeah, I forgot to add...Only a couple of folks showed up (so I was told > by a fella I met out in Manassas). I missed the meeting time and stopped > in BK to grab a bite of breakfast..Ran in to the other guy on a Connie and > he told me only 4 or 5 folks showed, and Alan and Anita weren't among them > :) I'm guessing the cold and drizzle chased most everyone off... Big OOPS on my part! First of all, I really want to apologize to the folks that did show up! I woke up early and saw wet roads but no rain, and heard the crummy weather forecast. I paged Alan to call me if the ride was still on (he has one of those pagers that can get email messages). He woke up, felt crummy, assumed that I would just lead the ride and went back to bed. When he checked his pager later in the day, he realized that I didn't go. Oops! Next time if the weather is "iffy" at the start of a ride, I'll at least show up for breakfast! Then at least if anyone else shows up we can decide if we want to do the ride or not. I guess we've had so little rain these past few months that we didn't think we needed a contingency plan! :-) The good news is that if the weather is good on Saturday, I'm going to give it another shot. I worked too hard on this ride not to! The long term forecast does say the weekend is going to be dry, but that's what they said last week! I'll keep my fingers crossed! And, I'll show up for breakfast no matter what... but if it's a torrential downpour I'll be there in my truck! :-) Date: Saturday, 10/10/98 Time: 8:00 AM for breakfast, 9:00 AM ride start Place: Old Country Buffet, Manassas Pace: Moderate (this is a ride where you'll want to admire a little of the scenery along the way, as well as enjoy the roads) Feel free to email me if you have any questions. Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:02:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24432 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20596 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15581 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WMDDa02343 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b1725a4.361a4c6a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:59:22 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/6/98 11:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Oh, Pirelli owns (is owned by)? Metzeler.. that's why I copied the below info. maybe it has something to do with weight and/or power. Dale has more of both.. >> FYI, I think its Pirelli owns Metzeler. And another thing, the Metz MEZ1 and the Pirelli Dragon sport tire (cant remember the letters) are exactly the same tire! Just slightly different tread patterns. Same compound, same construction. The funny part is that the Pirellis cost less. Remember that next time you shop for these tires. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:09:44 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24586 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02489; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4JM4K0JF>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC624@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'HiCapMag@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Random Thoughts Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeee ouch!!! Talk about getting the fid!! I'm extremely lucky working in the DOT building downtown. I can only get a cage pass ($45/month) if I carpool; however, motorcycle parking is only $6/month AND I can still collect transit benefits! The bike parking is the best in the garage as well... Right near the entrance door and adjacent to the manned guard station. Collin ps: What kind of guns ya got? (assuming the HCM stands for High Capacity Magazine...) > -----Original Message----- > From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX [SMTP:HiCapMag@XXXXXX] > > So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I > pay > $175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow > me > access when I ride to work. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:15:12 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24944 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thg (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25590; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:09:41 -0400 Message-ID: <00b701bdf14d$2302be00$c07f61ce@thg> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Dale Horstman'" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: Re: Tire Life Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:17:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I have to chime in here.....Metzeler ME-Z4 rear on my ZX has over 3k miles on it and has plenty of tread left (about 1/2)....that absolutely blows away the ME-Z2s I'd been running on the rear. Stickiness of the 4 is at least equal to the ME-Z2. I'd say if you weren't running the 4 too hard (and on a lighter bike: ZX=600+ lbs.) you could get 10k out of it no problem (oops...just remembered you ride a Concours, Dale. Not exactly a lightweight). Dual compound tire has no visible wear on the center.....Only problem: price....but when you run the numbers it works out to be well worth it. As far as Azarros, I saw Craig eat one up in about 2k miles.....but Kirk got some excellent life out of one (how much was it?). Hmmm.... -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'Dale Horstman' ; Chris Norloff Cc: Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Tire Life > Try the Avon Azarros Dale. Their belts are tightly wound in the >center and loosley wound along the sidewalls and outside edges. I think for >someone that isn't doing the West Side Double Yellow kind of riding all the >time, they would be an excellent tire. Firm in the middle, but sticky on >the edges. AND...they were the best tire I've ever used in the rain. I'm >not sure how long they would last on a heavier bike, but I got double the >mileage out of them than I did on Dunlop D204's on my 525 pound 93 GSXR750 >(yes it was that heavy...pig) And like I said, that was wearing down the >outsidee edges on the front and fairly even wear on the rear.. I'd bet on >something like a CBR F# and moderate riding, one could easily break the 10k >mile mark..maybe even higher.. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:15:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24980 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20782 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15949 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thg (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25715; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:13:12 -0400 Message-ID: <00c701bdf14d$a03beea0$c07f61ce@thg> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:20:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Nope. From what I've seen Pirelli costs more. Dragon 1=ME-Z1; Dragon 2=ME-Z2. Metzeler dual compound tires cost more than the Dragons, however. -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli >In a message dated 10/6/98 11:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Oh, Pirelli owns (is owned by)? Metzeler.. that's why I copied the below > info. maybe it has something to do with weight and/or power. Dale has more > of both.. >> > >FYI, I think its Pirelli owns Metzeler. And another thing, the Metz MEZ1 and >the Pirelli Dragon sport tire (cant remember the letters) are exactly the same >tire! Just slightly different tread patterns. Same compound, same >construction. The funny part is that the Pirellis cost less. Remember that >next time you shop for these tires. > >Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:18:15 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25013 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 105; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:17:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981006131437.01d2b8a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:16:56 -0400 To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <98cfc2d4.361a4bd6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I pay >$175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow me >access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want someone to >hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have >problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do >something about it. Hmmm. Seems to me that you pay for a parking spot, not just a specific car to park there. If you signed a contract - read it carefully and see if it stipulates no motorcycles, or only one specific car. Bastards.... MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "When you come to a fork in the road - take it" - The Great Yogi Bera From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:22:37 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25118 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07420; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:22:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199810061722.NAA07420@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , DC Cycles List Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:22:40 -0400 Subject: RE: How'd the group ride go this weekend? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC61D@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 6 Oct 98, at 10:50, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Thanks for the compliments Dale... The page has been really nbeglected > lately due to my laziness in typing up some of my favorite rides.... So if > anyone has some good rides written down, feel free to zap them to me and > I'll ad em. If you do send me one though, make sure it's a followable > route... I'll send along my route once I make sure all the rights/lefts are correct this weekend (don't worry, I know the route like the back of my hand!). And, maybe if we have a blizzard this winter I'll type up some of the poker run sheets I've collected! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:33:38 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25535 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:34:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:34:25 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Random Thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >>> 10/06/98 12:56PM >>> Bike theft: I work right around the corner from the bike slots at 17th = and M. There's constant foot traffic, a lot of street-front retail, etc. I work on 31st and M, sorta the same parking situation. But, since I live = and work in DC, I take the metro more than the bike. So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I = pay $175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow = me access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want = someone to hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do something about it. Tell me about. If I decided to drive to work, it would cost me $150/month = to park in my building, but I could swap out with the bike. Sorry, but = I'd rather pay $40/month to metro. It would cost me the same to ride the = bike, but I'd rather leave it home in my apartment buildings nice, safe = and secure underground parking garage, which now costs me $50/month. Why = pay for two parking garages? My suggestion, short of not riding to work, = find another garage. Also, ask them to see it in writing in your monthly = contract. If it doesn't say anything about parking a motorcycle, tell = them tough S$!T, they can't refuse you parking. List: I too am a relative newbie, Same here. Later, Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:46:25 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26379 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A76D780073C; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:46:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981006134533.00fa0830@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:48:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: parking Garages [was: Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <98cfc2d4.361a4bd6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:56 PM 10/6/98 , HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: >So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I pay >$175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow me >access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want someone to >hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have >problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do >something about it. Colonial is the garage-running company around here (SW, near the FAA and Air & Space Museum). They don't mind motorcycles, but only at the car rate. I tried to get them interested in my not taking a car's parking space, and still paying something (classic win-win situation) but no one, not even managers, were interested. They have a known number of parking slots, and they want to see one vehicle in for one vehicle per slot. But the street parking is fine here (though a little crowded when the fair-weather bikers come out). Chris Norloff It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:49:30 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26416 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29614 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:49:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GIVI bags? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm.... I was over at Art's shop last week, and he showed me a pair of GIVI 36L bags that a lister had consigned... Alas, I don't know how to get in touch with this person any other way besides through the list. So, sorry for the, ah, noise, but could that individual email me privately? I have questions... Thanks. Pete. ph@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:55:41 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26614 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4KSM6ZFY>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More on the tire changer. Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > To MAKE $10 or to CHARGE $10? Big difference. I don't see any difference here. $10 is $10. Its all labor except for the lead weights. > I've been changing and balancing my own tires for 12 years (about 120,000 > miles). My fastest time, including removing the wheel from the bike, was > 45 minutes. Usually it's about an hour total of which about 30 minutes is > spent breaking the bead, removing the old tire, cleaning the rim, > installing the new tire, setting the bead, and balancing the wheel. > That's because you do it the hard way. If you had a tire changer it wouldn't take you any more then 5 minutes (with the wheel already off the bike). > I wouldn't do that for $10. I wouldn't even just change and balance the > tire for $10 (unless it was for a friend). And that $10 is supposed to > include the tire changer ($800 to $3500, right?), the tire balancer, the > shop, and insurance? > Why not? Just about all of the car tire shops around here mount and balance tires for $7, for $10 they will give you a lifetime balance. This is even for tires you don't buy there. And again I'm sticking to my belief that a car tire on an alloy rim is no harder to mount then a bike tire. I've seen them both done and don't see any difference. > > I think the economics of the situation paint a different picture. But > perhaps it would be in the dealer's interest to sell tires, tire changing, > and tire balancing at a loss, to get more people in the door. > I don't think they need to do it at a loss at all just don't gouge. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 13:57:35 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26907 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Random Thoughts Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:53:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > > So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom > I pay > $175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to > allow me > access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want > someone to > hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else > have > problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to > do > something about it. > > When I used to work downtown, the parking garages next to my office constantly "rearranged" the cars to maximize the number of spaces available for parking. If you parked early and left early, the attendants might have to move up to four cars to get to yours. If that's what happens at your lot, maybe they just don't trust the attendees to ride a bike. Nor, probably, should you. Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 14:05:00 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27005 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:04:56 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA29973; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:04:53 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029727; Tue, 6 Oct 98 14:04:39 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0F0067F3HCZA@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256695.0062E367 ; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:00:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:01:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Tire Life To: "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Dale Horstman'" , Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256695.0062E578.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Glad to hear you went with the MEZ4s, Tom. Didn't we have an e-mail exchange about that a while back? Anyhow, I have had the Z4s on my RF900 for about 5-6k now, and I estimate that I will easily cruze past 10k wear on the center strip of the tire. Unfortunately, I do too much tame riding and sport touring to "collin" off the edges. I got a good deal on the tires, (ping me off list for the specifics Dale) and highly recommend the Z4s for sport/commute/dry and rain. BTW Dale, Z4s are the stock tires on the new BMW K1200rs, which is a bit lighter than your Connie (I think) but is definately in close to the same class. I would even think Todd could get some good wear out of them on the ST. Imagine his cornering on an ST equipped w/Z4s! Later, chris To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , 'Dale Horstman' , Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Date: 10/06/98 05:17:00 PM GMT Subject: Re: Tire Life I have to chime in here.....Metzeler ME-Z4 rear on my ZX has over 3k miles on it and has plenty of tread left (about 1/2)....that absolutely blows away the ME-Z2s I'd been running on the rear. Stickiness of the 4 is at least equal to the ME-Z2. I'd say if you weren't running the 4 too hard (and on a lighter bike: ZX=600+ lbs.) you could get 10k out of it no problem (oops...just remembered you ride a Concours, Dale. Not exactly a lightweight). Dual compound tire has no visible wear on the center.....Only problem: price....but when you run the numbers it works out to be well worth it. As far as Azarros, I saw Craig eat one up in about 2k miles.....but Kirk got some excellent life out of one (how much was it?). Hmmm.... -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'Dale Horstman' ; Chris Norloff Cc: Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Tire Life > Try the Avon Azarros Dale. Their belts are tightly wound in the >center and loosley wound along the sidewalls and outside edges. I think for >someone that isn't doing the West Side Double Yellow kind of riding all the >time, they would be an excellent tire. Firm in the middle, but sticky on >the edges. AND...they were the best tire I've ever used in the rain. I'm >not sure how long they would last on a heavier bike, but I got double the >mileage out of them than I did on Dunlop D204's on my 525 pound 93 GSXR750 >(yes it was that heavy...pig) And like I said, that was wearing down the >outsidee edges on the front and fairly even wear on the rear.. I'd bet on >something like a CBR F# and moderate riding, one could easily break the 10k >mile mark..maybe even higher.. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 14:35:04 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28386 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:34:51 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 06 Oct 1998 14:34:45 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 06 Oct 1998 14:34:45 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 074E2361A62C501B-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 074E2361A62C501B Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <074E2361A62C501B*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 06 Oct 1998 14:34:45 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles Subject: For sale 96 F3 Message-Id: <074E2361A62C501B*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Hey folks, It sure does cause me great deal of pain, but due to certain circumstances beyond my control I need to put my bike up for sale. :-( So here is the scoop: 96 F3 red/black/white with a D&D Carbon fiber slip on and a Tailocker trunk kit. 10600 miles, relatively new (less than 1000 miles) D204 on the rear. Lots of oil changes, last couple w/ Mobil 1, etc Includes an extended warrantee, so the cam chain tensioner can be replaced for free when needed. Garage kept for the first two years of life and covered this spring/summer, cover goes with the bike. Will some one please write me a check for $5,800. Its going to be listed in the Post next week. After I sell it I'm going to use a little of the cash to buy something old to get back and forth to work like an EX500, GS500 or VF500. Don Burger (202) 366-9539 - Work I would rather have people call me at work, please leave a message if I'm not there. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 15:25:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00661 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22801 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21013 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09440 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcy231s ([166.41.241.5]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981006192424.DBIB18768@pcy231s> for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:24:24 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Todd Rist" To: Subject: RE: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdf15f$ccf2e720$05f129a6@pcy231s.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <6b1725a4.361a4c6a@aol.com> Importance: Normal Anybody out there ride the old Honda V65 Magna? My roomate is looking for a radial tire for his and has had no luck. A little help here? Thank you, Todd Rist Manager, LS-SM V235-4405 -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [mailto:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 12:59 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli In a message dated 10/6/98 11:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Oh, Pirelli owns (is owned by)? Metzeler.. that's why I copied the below info. maybe it has something to do with weight and/or power. Dale has more of both.. >> FYI, I think its Pirelli owns Metzeler. And another thing, the Metz MEZ1 and the Pirelli Dragon sport tire (cant remember the letters) are exactly the same tire! Just slightly different tread patterns. Same compound, same construction. The funny part is that the Pirellis cost less. Remember that next time you shop for these tires. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 15:56:12 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02027 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 ([206.38.82.28]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA13899; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: <361A7590.A3CB6999@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:54:56 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <001701bdf0a0$c3197120$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> <19981005.051555.2599.0.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006092235.00f98520@XXXXXX> <4.1.19981006105651.00f91890@XXXXXX> <361A34FC.4627E7A9@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like Metzelers. The ME 88s last as long as the Cheng Shin's and grip like Dunlop Qualifiers. All my bikes have 16" rims now, so there is a limited choice of tires. I also wear the centers out. Running max allowable pressure in the rear tire seems to make it last longer. I don't do that up front, because the handling gets funny at the wrong pressures. So what kind of tire can I get that will last longer than 30K miles, cost less than $100 and still grip in the rain? I don't care about grip when it's dry, anything will do ok then. -- Leon Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Cap1000 Tomos Targa LX - world's toughest moped. Ninja 600 Dale Horstman wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > > JC Whitney (Cheng Shin, I think). He got 30,000 miles out of one, but it was as hard as a > > rock, and had about as much traction as a rock, if I recall him correctly. > > You are right, Chris. I like the grip I get out of my > current stock tires, but (unlike Collin! :), I wear mine out > in the centers first. > > I think 10-15,000 miles is pretty good for tires. You can get Metzeler > > Marathon (ME88) tires that have reasonable traction and reasonable tire life). From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 18:07:49 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07474 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr53-dialup1.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0F0F00N56ERKO1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:03:07 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Sun. rides? To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <00b501bdf18e$3f9ac6c0$01f037a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Anyone planning on riding this Sun.??? The weather forecast looks perfect and I'm itching for some good corner carving. 8^) I'll be spending Sat. with my fiancee and her parents ALL DAY and will need to get away for a long, long, ride Sun.. So who's riding? Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 18:28:35 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08373 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id ECQRa22759; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b357b8f.361a996a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:27:54 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sun. rides? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/6/98 6:13:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << So who's riding? >> I will, where do you want to go? Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 18:37:40 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08803 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA12333; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:37:48 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:37:06 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44AE@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: parking Garages [was: Random Thoughts Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:37:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I park with Diplomat Parking in DC (work pays for it). However, they (DIPLOMAT) guarantee me a parking place as long as I have my ticket. Call Colonial or Parking Management's main office. As long as you can show that you are paying for the privilege of parking (monthly stub or whatever) they have to let you park there, unless they have a specific policy against motorcycles ( I used to park at PMI and they had to let me park my bike). Unfortunately, there is no reduction in rates for bikes, I guess a motor vehicle is a motor vehicle. I have found that it the attendants that don't want to be bothered by having to deal with the bikes - they actually may have to pay attention to how their patrons park their cars. The guy at my garage lets me park in a free space (not used by cars) behind his office. This way he is able to get more cars into the Garage (of monthly and daily drivers), and I get my bike in close proximity to a person so it doesn't get vandalized. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 1:49 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: parking Garages [was: Random Thoughts At 12:56 PM 10/6/98 , HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: >So all the more reason to be pissed at Parking Management Inc, to whom I pay >$175/month for the privilege of parking my cage -- and yet refuse to allow me >access when I ride to work. "Liability," they say. "We don't want someone to >hit it." I guess it's OK if someone slams into my cage. Anyone else have >problems with PMI or another garage company? I'm irritated enough to do >something about it. Colonial is the garage-running company around here (SW, near the FAA and Air & Space Museum). They don't mind motorcycles, but only at the car rate. I tried to get them interested in my not taking a car's parking space, and still paying something (classic win-win situation) but no one, not even managers, were interested. They have a known number of parking slots, and they want to see one vehicle in for one vehicle per slot. But the street parking is fine here (though a little crowded when the fair-weather bikers come out). Chris Norloff It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 18:52:39 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09320 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr53-dialup1.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0F0F00ITOGUJH9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:51:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:48:01 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Sun. rides? To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00d101bdf194$88c04e00$01f037a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >In a message dated 10/6/98 6:13:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: > ><< So who's riding? >> >I will, where do you want to go? > >Ciao, > >fred Alrighty then,, let's see who else bites.......... I'll ride just about anywhere. Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 19:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10322 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.186]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 195; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: <361AA4BF.40F63CB8@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:16:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <199810061552.LAA21250@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Well, I ride probably somewhere inbetween Collin and Dale.. That's a pretty big gap, Brian! :) I bet you just described everyone on this list! :) If y'all haven't been able to tell yet, Collin is my hero. When I grow up, I wanna ride just like him! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 20:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14138 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.26.19]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 248; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:47:57 -0400 Message-ID: <361ABB28.4701464A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:51:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , Leon Begemen Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <85256695.0062E578.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I got lots of good advice about tires on the list lately, and was planning on mail-ordering a new rear tire soon to replace the ever thinning one on my bike. Imagine my surprise when I walked out at lunch and saw exposed cord 2/3 of the way around that puppy. Surprise! =8-o I figured I had a few weeks left at least. I limped the bike home (ever try riding on a 4-lane and keeping it *UNDER* 60 mph? Painful.) Made it home ok, then my hooligan side took over, and I did a few smoky burnouts out in front of the house (heh, heh, great fun!). Frayed cords everywhere. I needed a tire *NOW*, time to call around to the local stealerships and assess the damages. Long story short - I ended up with a Goldwing-like Dunlop K491 on the back - at a price near mail-order, and got it mounted and balanced for FREE! I forgot that Coleman Poser Sports offered free mounting and balancing to me for a year after buying the Connie there. I didn't think they'd believe that this is my third new tire in 6 months (first I bought from them, though. :) FWIW, they would have charged $25 and change for labor on mount and balance, another $5 and I'd have LIFETIME USE OF A GROUP TIRE CHANGER (had to do my bit to promote this idea some more!), and I got the tire for $142+tax. It's a little wider than stock, and I'm hoping to get some serious mileage out of this puppy. I'll let you all know how it feels in the corners. Anyway. Metz Z4's, Avon Azarro's, Chen Shin's, I'll probably end up running them all sooner or later. (Well, maybe not the Chen Shins - I'd hate to give up cornering :) Thanks for the advice from everyone. I've got some tires to scrub in... Ride Safe! Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 21:40:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16172 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27516 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01155 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuk121@XXXXXX Received: from Chuk121@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BIVUa02316; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:37:58 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d20a32e.361ac5f6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:37:58 EDT To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, "'DC Motorcylce Mail-List (E-mail)'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: '85 VF 500 interceptor for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 i have a vf 500f for sale, it's in mint condition... just needs brake pads, and tail light stalks for inspection... great first bike... asking $900 i also have extra plastics for it, i have extra rotors and some other small stuff. has a new battery and chain, put on this spring.. it's white, with the red and blue color scheme.. drop me a line 410 729 2971 ask for chuck or email me CHUK121@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 21:59:05 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17064 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27659 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01639 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-113-119.s119.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08453; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361ACF77.338D3363@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:18:31 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: DC Cycles Subject: maxim pics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John (and anyone else interested.... I took some digital pics of the freebie maxim today...pics are all less than 30k in index fashion (sorry, too lazy to give them real file names) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/maxim/ The video camera/capture board setup usually takes better pics, but the cloud cover this afternoon didn't supply much sunshine for good picture taking... enjoy (I am) Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 6 23:50:40 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21371 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28809 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (known alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03552 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf151.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.151]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id XAA15000; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01bdf1a5$7288aea0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: maxim pics Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:48:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 It's confirmed...I hate you more every day. You paid how much for that? I must go throw up now. -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) To: Carver, John Cc: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:07 PM Subject: maxim pics >John (and anyone else interested.... >I took some digital pics of the freebie maxim today...pics are all less >than 30k in index fashion (sorry, too lazy to give them real file names) > >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/maxim/ > >The video camera/capture board setup usually takes better pics, but the >cloud cover this afternoon didn't supply much sunshine for good picture >taking... > >enjoy (I am) >Collin > > >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 00:52:19 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23802 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:39:36 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002301bdf1ac$c62abb00$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361ABB28.4701464A@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Don't know how it'll work on the Connie, but I've been happy with the 491 on my Wing. From what they say on the Wing list, in standard Wing usage (slabbing down the Interstate) it holds up for a long time. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 07:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10525 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TC9SL>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Todd.Rist@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire Life -Metzeler/Pirelli Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:32:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I think with the V65 you have to go up one size in the rear because nobody makes a radial in the stock size. Here are some Magna specific sites I found when I was on the SABMAG list a few years ago. Also be sure he has a radial in the front to go along with the one in the rear. You don't want to mix radials and bias plys. Glenn http://www2.xtdl.com/~tonyd/magna/mcpage.htm http://users.penn.com/~pwr/sm-links.html http://www.blueriver.net/~wayne/ http://www.oro.net/~waz/ http://www2.cdepot.net:80/~tcwild/sabmag.htm > Anybody out there ride the old Honda V65 Magna? My roomate is looking for > a radial tire for his and has had no luck. A little help here? > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 07:45:48 1998 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10913 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981007114610.4230.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:46:09 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Subject: LOOKING FOR INFO ON EUROPE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vidiots@XXXXXX, ducati@XXXXXX, near@XXXXXX, seriders@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, triumph@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOOKING FOR INFO ON HOLLAND AND GERMANY: I'm planning to go to the Dutch GP in Assen next June and would like everyone who has been to Germany or Holland to clue me in. I have never been to Europe, I'm lookiing for info on cheap places to stay, cheap car or bike rental, what US air force bases are close by (I'll be flying space-available), cool places to see, what and where to avoid, etc. I especially want to hear from anyone who has shipped a bike to Europe and sold it there. All help appreciated. Ray Lucas RaymondLucas@XXXXXX 410 762 6710 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 07:47:47 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10930 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4DE765047E; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:47:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007072933.00fa1c70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:30:27 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Tire Life In-Reply-To: <002301bdf1ac$c62abb00$6e0000c0@demon> References: <361ABB28.4701464A@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:41 AM 10/7/98 , George Howell wrote: >Don't know how it'll work on the Connie, but I've been happy with the 491 on >my Wing. From what they say on the Wing list, in standard Wing usage >(slabbing down the Interstate) it holds up for a long time. That's a pretty popular tire in BMW circles, too, for non-sport riding. I'm thinking of getting a set for my bike. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 08:00:28 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11410 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02932 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSN2Q>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:01:42 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC628@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:01:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For those of you unfortunate souls that , ickk, drive a GM vehicle (almost as bad as a Ford) Bring on the Mopars, baby... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tryon, TJ [SMTP:Tryon_TJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:56 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle content, but just wanted to pass this along. > It's for real, and I just called and placed an order. Might be handy to > have, if you have any GM's. > TJ > > >An amazing situation has developed -- for an indefinite time, > >anyone can get a free CD (4 cd set) with General Motors Service > >information on it covering service bulletins for > >vehicles from 1980 thru 1999 (as of July 1998) and service > >information for vehicles 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999, by just > >calling the following number and requesting it! > >The call is free and even the postage is free! > > > >Call: > > > >Helm Incorporated at 800-782-4356, > >select the "all other consumers" option, > >and ask for the "free GM service CD". From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 08:03:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11421 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04786 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10583 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256696.004201A0 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:00:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256696.00417CFB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:00:53 -0400 Subject: Re: maxim pics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I took some digital pics of the freebie maxim today. Looks pretty good for a freebie. I remember riding a friends Maxim a few years ago. The thing I remember most about it was how quiet and smooth it was. It almost felt like it was powered by an electric motor. Good to see you have something to hit the streets with again. Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 08:40:01 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12968 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05265 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11295 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "Kelly, Mike Capt DINFOS/PAD" Subject: Blinker question Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:39:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I have a co-worker who's having difficulty with blinkers on a 1986 Yamaha DT200 enduro. He says the blinkers will not blink. They will light up when he applies brakes, but still not blink. He thinks it may be a relay switch, but he's like me and gets nervous around electrical stuff. He's considering having a repair shop take a look at it? Any ideas on what may be causing the problem? Can anyone give us any recon on repair shops in the Fort Meade area? Thanks, Mitch From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 08:55:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13443 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05401 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11641 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A49E68902A8; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:54:54 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007085717.00fd06e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:59:44 -0400 To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Blinker question Cc: "Kelly, Mike Capt DINFOS/PAD" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:39 AM 10/7/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: >I have a co-worker who's having difficulty with blinkers on a 1986 Yamaha >DT200 enduro. > >He says the blinkers will not blink. They will light up when he applies >brakes, but still not blink. He thinks it may be a relay switch, but he's >like me and gets nervous around electrical stuff. He's considering having a >repair shop take a look at it? Remove the turn signal lenses, remove the bulbs and clean the bulbs' electrical contacts and the sockets with fine sandpaper or emery cloth. Replace any burned-out bulbs. Clean the contacts on the turn signal flasher - it's probably behind a sidepanel under the seat - it's probably cylindrical, and about the size of a film can. Disconnect the blinkers from the brakes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 09:02:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13843 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05480 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11776 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:01:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "Kelly, Mike Capt DINFOS/PAD" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Blinker question Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:01:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks. We'll try that. > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 8:59 AM > To: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Cc: Kelly, Mike Capt DINFOS/PAD > Subject: Re: Blinker question > > At 08:39 AM 10/7/98 , Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > >I have a co-worker who's having difficulty with blinkers on a 1986 Yamaha > >DT200 enduro. > > > >He says the blinkers will not blink. They will light up when he applies > >brakes, but still not blink. He thinks it may be a relay switch, but > he's > >like me and gets nervous around electrical stuff. He's considering > having a > >repair shop take a look at it? > > > Remove the turn signal lenses, remove the bulbs and clean the bulbs' > electrical contacts and the sockets with fine sandpaper or emery cloth. > Replace any burned-out bulbs. Clean the contacts on the turn signal > flasher - it's probably behind a sidepanel under the seat - it's probably > cylindrical, and about the size of a film can. > > Disconnect the blinkers from the brakes. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 09:14:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14301 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05608 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12091 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07915; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNJM>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:15:20 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC62B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: maxim pics Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:15:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks... I like it so far (although it's taking some time adjusting to a non-sportbike) It is fairly smooth (will be smoother when I give the carbs a thorough cleaning and balancing). The shaft drive is nice (haven't tried to wheelie it yet, he he he). Porbably since it's so old, but who knows, it is surprisingly loud for a stock exhaust when up in the revs, but putting around at 55-60 it's pretty quiet. It needs a 6th gear though...With only 5 gears, it limits the cruising speed to about 75mph. Above that and it's revving really high, and I have no desire to burn the motor up on this one > -----Original Message----- > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > years ago. The thing I remember most about it was how quiet and smooth it > was. It almost felt like it was powered by an electric motor. Good to > see > you have something to hit the streets with again. > > Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 09:56:25 1998 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16001 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA07200 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id JAA07192 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id JAA00913 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([206.201.107.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id JAA00909 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071320.JAA00909@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:09:00 -0400 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: Sun. rides? To: "Jon S." Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME With any luck, I get my bike back from The Evil Shop tonight, so I'd more than likely be up for a ride... Any thoughts on where the ride will start? (And are we riding "fast" or "Fred fast"? :-) ) --Brad -----Original Message----- From: Jon S. [mailto:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:48 PM To: Boiade; dc-cycles Subject: Re: Sun. rides? ><< So who's riding? >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 10:04:34 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16407 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11754 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNJ6>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC630@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: Not A Ride for Sissies!! -- Worth Reading! Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:05:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Here's another ride for Sunday... > -----Original Message----- > From: Neweiss@XXXXXX [SMTP:Neweiss@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 9:59 AM > Subject: Not A Ride for Sissies!! -- Worth Reading! > > Come One, Come All! > > Manassas Harley Owners Group is putting on a terrific fall Harvest Ride on > Sunday, October 11, 1998. This is an "open" club ride, meaning that > participation is not limited to HOG members or to Harley Davidson riders. > > This three-state, 180+ mile route will initially take us over some > familiar > but fun local roads out to the White's Ferry to cross the Potomac on the > famed > General Jubal Early. The voyage continues from there over hill, over > dale, > through the winding and rolling back roads to Thurmont, MD. The > surrounding > countryside abounds with lush farmlands which, during the fall harvest > time, > could very well have been the inspiration for those familiar lyrics, "Oh > beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain." > > In Thurmont, there is an optional lunch stop at the Cozy Inn where the > buffet > tables offer more variety than one plate can handle (and that's just the > desserts, folks!). This is an dining experience you will talk about long > after....well worth the $9.99 price. > > After that, enjoy a most delightful stretch of twisties up and over the > Catoctin Mountains bordered by the cool forests of Catoctin Mountain Park > on > one side of the road and Cunningham Falls State Park on the other. Then, > rumble on down through the charming burgs of Wolfsville, Boonsboro, and > Burkettsville and wave to the locals. Clip the edge of Harpers Ferry > and > head for ride's end in Leesburg. You may well travel some roads you > never > knew existed. Count pumpkins or hay rolls, enjoy the early fall colors, > look > overhead for migrant geese, feel the fresh fall air on your face. > > Care to partake? Report to Whitt's Harley Davidson on Commerce Court in > Manassas between 9 and 10:15 a.m. on Sunday, October 11. There is no > registration fee to participate in this ride. If the weather is iffy on > the > morning of the ride, be sure to call the HOG Hotline (703) 335-6163 before > you > make the trek to Whitt's. > > Be there, or be square. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 10:41:22 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17809 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.28]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:38:40 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:41:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdf200$83236a60$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC628@MSCEX> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sooooo.......... Lost your virginity in an Aries K? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > For those of you unfortunate souls that , ickk, drive a GM vehicle (almost > as bad as a Ford) > Bring on the Mopars, baby... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 10:47:21 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18163 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15446; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNKH>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:48:31 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC633@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'George Howell'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:48:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nope... Just love Dodge trucks :) I'm really not into any car...although I DID learn to drive by watching the Dukes of Hazzard (that should explain my driving a bit) > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 10:41 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'dc' > Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info > > Sooooo.......... > > Lost your virginity in an Aries K? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > > For those of you unfortunate souls that , ickk, drive a GM vehicle > (almost > > as bad as a Ford) > > Bring on the Mopars, baby... > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:07:22 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18880 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 234 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: <361B83A0.27CD4DAB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:07:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: help with a seat cover Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Y'all, Tracy's got a rip in the seat cover of her Suzuki Savage. Where it's positioned it is quite literally and figuratively a pain in the ass. I need to get a new cover. I checked Travelcade/Saddlemen, they don't seem to make a replacement cover for this bike. You can typically get covers from them (if they make them) for around $30. Has anyone had good luck with local upholstery shops? I checked one out, he quoted me $70 to replace the cover, it seemed a little steep to me for a tiny solo cruiser seat. Is this a decent price? One nice thing about having motorcycles, I never have to wonder about where all my disposable income is gonna go. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:20:05 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19652 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18000; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNKK>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:16 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC635@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Dale, Have you considered doing it yourself? Get some heavy duty vinyl (or marine grade if you can find it. replace the foam underneath, stretch the new vinyl over and use industrial staples to hold it in place... This works great on sport bike seats where you don't have multi-leveled seats to deal with and a hard plastic shell... Not sure how well it would work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal shell... You'd probably have to find another method to affix the vinyl to the shell... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:29:28 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19814 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQYFV82T; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:28:15 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Message-ID: <19981006.015514.8135.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <002401bdf0db$9e703620$6e0000c0@demon> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6,8-82 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:28:15 EDT I agree, but I'm an indian, not a chief. I'm hoping to change the minds of those guys with the big feahers about these things. Don't give up on us dealer types. --Bikes R Us-- (So many bikes. So little time...(sigh)) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:44:28 -0400 "George Howell" writes: >You're losing every bit of 40 changes per year. I'd say that on this >list, >the average lister changes tires 1.5 times per year. At 30 people (the >minimum, I think) involved, there's 45 changes. 60 if 40 people get >in, if >50, you are up to 75. And if we let others use the machine for a time >or >two... > >Punitive prices on tire changes don't endear customers. You'll catch >more >bees with honey. Etc. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bikes R Us [mailto:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 6:27 PM >> To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX >> Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. >> >> >> >> I am not new to bikers' or trying to organize them. It really is >like >> trying to herd cats. >>Todd, you are a brave man to take on this >type of >> task. >> >> Who else imagined someone actually trying to herd cats when they >read >> this? >> >> todd.b.peer@XXXXXX> writes: >> >Seems like the only grief I'm getting so far are from the naysayers >and >> those who >doubt that this will happen. What-ever. >> >> In my opinion, what you are attempting is both laudable and >feasible. The >> rules of the agreement are perfectly clear. The only problems I see >are >> (for Todd) a little one of record-keeping, and (for Glenn) >occasional >> inconvenience. Both easily overcome. >> >> I just wish dealer service prices weren't so high (ours included) so >this >> wouldn't be necessary. I see, in this, 40 tire changes a year that >my >> store is losing due to high prices. I think it would be better for >us to >> make $10 on each of your tires than to lose out altogether. Sadly, >I'm >> not in a policy-making position here. HOWEVER, I am learning from >this >> list what is important to customers and I have put bugs in the ears >of >> higher-ups on some issues that have been discussed here. Hopefully >> something will pay off. >> >> --Bikes R Us-- >> (So many bikes. So little time...) >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:31:02 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20141 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22603; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:10 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B2@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI, Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundel Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. http://www.abate-of-maryland.org/webdoc2.htm First off everyone should know that I believe in wearing a Helmet, I happen to wear a full face one. However, I don't like the current legislation concerning helmets, and this is why I go. While, I don't mind a law concerning the mandatory use of one, like the seat belt law. I am a firm believer that the law should clearly be defined. Currently, Maryland doesn't have any standards concerning what types of Helmets have to be worn and sold such as Snell 95 or DOT certified. My wife is a nurse, and I have gotten too many stories from her and her coworkers about victims who could have been saved if they had been wearing a proper helmet (notice I said victims). I am not singling out the riders of the skull caps (you can get ones with S95 and DOT certifications), too many riders can purchase helmets full face or otherwise (usually mail order because they are cheaper) that aren't going to hold up in a crash. Some who buy these helmets are aware of what they are buying (junk for show), but too many don't know the Helmet that they are wearing isn't going to withstand an impact. I don't mean to sound preachy (I know, too late!!!) but I didn't know jack when I bought my first helmet. It is worth going to the rally just to get some motorcycling information, there are a lot of vendors that will provide information for motorcycling in general - they aren't all there to sell Harley parts. Yes, you will have to put up with the "Let those who ride decide" guys who don't want to wear helmets at all. But this way you will get all the information to make an informed decision for yourself. Jason I. Picton Senior Systems Engineer American Chemical Society Phone: 202-452-2117 Email: jip98@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:32:19 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20151 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07361 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16259 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:32:14 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WQVKa13872 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8d31c180.361b8938@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:04 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Not A Ride for Sissies!! -- Worth Reading! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Another ride in my neck of the woods!! Too COOL!! I'll be there for sure. I know where they're riding (pretty good twisties at times). Anyone else interested? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:35:53 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20241 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 159; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:34:56 -0400 Message-ID: <361B8A50.84ECCE5E@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:35:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: help with a seat cover References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC635@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Not sure how well it would > work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal shell... You'd > probably have to find another method to affix the vinyl to the > shell... I've considered the DIY route, but I'm too lazy. :) FWIW, the Savage saddle is curved, has a plastic shell, and is stapled in place, so I could probably do it. Alas, my talents with sewing machines are extremely limited. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:36:08 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20251 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQYFV8UK; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:28:14 EDT To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More on the tire changer. Message-ID: <19981006.015513.8135.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <85256695.0008654B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,9-11,14-19 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:28:14 EDT On Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:33:05 -0400 christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: >Also, look at your argument conversely ... Let's say that you loose $30/tire change >(charging $10 instead of $40), using those numbers across 40 tire changes lost >this year = a net loss to the shop of $1200/year. Surely that $1200 is a concession >your bosses can live with in order to gain 40 happy customers coming back there to >buy other accessories/play toys? You would make up for the loss in customer >loyalty (atleast on my part). That's my thinking, too, in a nutshell. Like I said, I hope to convert the thinking of some of those above me about things like this. Cross your fingers...and don't call me Shirley... :^) --Bikes R Us-- (So many bikes. So llittle time...) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:41:32 1998 Return-Path: BLaSalle@XXXXXX Received: from [208.230.248.3] ([208.230.248.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20561 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MM_NT1 by [208.230.248.3] via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 15:40:59 UT Received: by MM_NT1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:39:09 -0400 Message-ID: <0CB9C2672F58D211B21900805FAD34630173B5@MM_NT1> From: Brian LaSalle To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Sunday ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:39:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >>> Anyone planning on riding this Sun.??? Jon & Fred & anybody else - Count me in ! Where are we headed? Brian Yellow Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:48:50 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20730 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:48:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6ILFa02301; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <464a52ea.361b8d36@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:48:06 EDT To: BLaSalle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/7/98 11:46:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BLaSalle@XXXXXX writes: << Jon & Fred & anybody else - Count me in ! Where are we headed? >> I proposed a route last time, so I am leaving it up to someone else. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 11:59:05 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21207 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23696; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:59:10 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:58:28 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B3@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:58:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain The DIY is the best way to go. Every alternative I tried to find for my Savage seat has given me a price of $100 or more Jason -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:36 AM To: Fagan, Collin LTJG Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: help with a seat cover Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Not sure how well it would > work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal shell... You'd > probably have to find another method to affix the vinyl to the > shell... I've considered the DIY route, but I'm too lazy. :) FWIW, the Savage saddle is curved, has a plastic shell, and is stapled in place, so I could probably do it. Alas, my talents with sewing machines are extremely limited. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:17:39 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22116 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A3FB7C60252; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:16:59 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007121255.00fbbb50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:18:16 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: help with a seat cover In-Reply-To: <361B83A0.27CD4DAB@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:07 AM 10/7/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Tracy's got a rip in the seat cover of her Suzuki Savage. >Where it's positioned it is quite literally and figuratively a >pain in the ass. I need to get a new cover. You can probably fix it yourself if you want to. 1. You can glue a naugahyde patch on the top of the seat cover, then using a curved needle sew the edges down. (Remember naugahyde is just nice-looking vinyl with a cloth backing). 2. You can remove the seat cover yourself - the last one I did was merely held on with staples. Glue a patch on the underside of the cover, then use a sewing machine to sew down the patch's edges. Carefully follow existing sewing lines or molded lines in the cover and it'll be hard to see. 3. Buy a replacement seat cover from someone like Sargent Cycle (http://www.sargentcycle.com/) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:20:30 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22196 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZGUa18750 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9093933a.361b9469@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:18:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_907777129_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907777129_boundary Content-ID: <0_907777129@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of big brother government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a matter of time before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is no bike at all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your ass on a bus! Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) Steel Trap In a message dated 10/7/98 11:41:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jip98@XXXXXX writes: << FYI, Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundle Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. >> --part0_907777129_boundary Content-ID: <0_907777129@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay27.mx.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air15.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:41:28 -0400 Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by relay27.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA01310; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20141 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22603; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:10 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B2@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FYI, =09Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundel Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. =09I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. http://www.abate-of-maryland.org/webdoc2.htm First off everyone should know that I believe in wearing a Helmet, I happen to wear a full face one. However, I don't like the current legislation concerning helmets, and this is why I go. While, I don't mind a law concerning the mandatory use of one, like the seat belt law. I am a firm believer that the law should clearly be defined. Currently, Maryland doesn't have any standards concerning what types of Helmets have to be worn and sold such as Snell 95 or DOT certified. My wife is a nurse, and I have gotten too many stories from her and her coworkers about victims who could have been saved if they had been wearing a proper helmet (notice I said victims). I am not singling out the riders of the skull caps (you can get ones with S95 and DOT certifications), too many riders can purchase helmets full face or otherwise (usually mail order because they are cheaper) that aren't going to hold up in a crash. Some who buy these helmets are aware of what they are buying (junk for show), but too many don't know the Helmet that they are wearing isn't going to withstand an impact. I don't mean to sound preachy (I know, too late!!!) but I didn't know jack when I bought my first helmet. It is worth going to the rally just to get some motorcycling information, there are a lot of vendors that will provide information for motorcycling in general - they aren't all there to sell Harley parts. Yes, you will have to put up with the "Let those who ride decide" guys who don't want to wear helmets at all. But this way you will get all the information to make an informed decision for yourself. Jason I. Picton Senior Systems Engineer American Chemical Society Phone: 202-452-2117 Email: jip98@XXXXXX --part0_907777129_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:28:45 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22622 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:28:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id MAA25798 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256696.0081B4C3 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:27:25 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256696.005A2BB3.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:25:40 -0400 Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline What about using Colin's method, but instead of staples, use hog rings...you can always find cheap-o hog ring pliers (that come with the hog rings) in JC Whipme for like $8 (or I have a bunch left over from a reupholstery job you can have, along with the pliers I'd be happy to lend). That way, as long as there's a hole in the shell that you can wrap the hog ring around, you can go this route. Let me know if you need the stuff. -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles List cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Dale, Have you considered doing it yourself? Get some heavy duty vinyl (or marine grade if you can find it. replace the foam underneath, stretch the new vinyl over and use industrial staples to hold it in place... This works great on sport bike seats where you don't have multi-leveled seats to deal with and a hard plastic shell... Not sure how well it would work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal shell... You'd probably have to find another method to affix the vinyl to the shell... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:35:07 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23070 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8369530218; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:35:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007123623.00fb8280@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:39:36 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: help with a seat cover In-Reply-To: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B3@WASH50> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just got off the phone with Sargent's, about recovering and reshaping my BMW seat. They want $87 to strip off the old cover, do minor foam repair, install a moisture barrier and install a new cover ... and that's with a surcharge for the BMW because it's harder to work with than the Japanese seats. BTW, for the complete deal, including reshaping the foam and using color-coordinated vinyl it comes to $183 including shipping, with a 5-day in-shop turnaround. And she said their winter rush starts in January and it takes up to 2 weeks in the shop. Chris Norloff At 11:58 AM 10/7/98 , Jason Picton wrote: >The DIY is the best way to go. Every alternative I tried to find for my >Savage seat has given me a price of $100 or more > >Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:36 AM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG > Cc: DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: help with a seat cover > > Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > Not sure how well it would > > work on a cruiser seat with two levels and a metal >shell... You'd > > probably have to find another method to affix the >vinyl to the > > shell... > > I've considered the DIY route, but I'm too lazy. :) >FWIW, the > Savage saddle is curved, has a plastic shell, and is >stapled > in place, so I could probably do it. Alas, my talents >with > sewing machines are extremely limited. > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing >is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people >around here > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - >Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:48:30 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23514 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id MAA28958 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256696.0081FFE5 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:46:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256696.005C0364.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:45:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I can see the choice argument...everyone wants to make their own choice. Wouldn't it have been nice if the government made it optional for building management companies to remove the asbestos from their structures, or for cars from foreign manufacturers to comply with US safety regulations...what about this catalytic converter requirement for new cars? Thats definitely part of the CONSPIRACY! Three Mile Island...hell, make it optional for them to release radiation into the air and water...and while you're at it, lets step up the pace of illegal immigration! F&%K the government, because all the rules it makes STINK...maybe its time to join a militia because THE MAN is getting too freakin' powerful! Yeah, lets overturn the government because the laws it makes to protect us from our own stupidity just hold down our freedom of choice...but people aren't even satisfied then, because they legalized the right to choose abortion and people still argue about it! God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if you don't wear one. You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. One thing is for sure...with the way the RUBs go out and buy new Harleys with no prior m/c training, repealing the helmet law will only result in a fresh supply of used Harley parts from salvaged bikes in junkyards, with their RUB owners pushin' up daisies in the local graveyard. BTW, if you want to respond to me about my views, don't do it to the list...reply to me at the email address listed below. -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of big brother government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a matter of time before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is no bike at all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your ass on a bus! Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) Steel Trap In a message dated 10/7/98 11:41:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jip98@XXXXXX writes: << FYI, Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundle Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. >> Return-Path: Received: from relay27.mx.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air15.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:41:28 -0400 Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by relay27.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA01310; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20141 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22603; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:31:10 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44B2@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:30:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FYI, Abate of Maryland is doing their annual Helmet protest ride this Sunday. I attended this event last year and it was very interesting. Imagine around 700-800 bikers (all types, the majority being Harley looking bikes) riding with a Police escort from the fairgrounds in Anne Arundel Co. to and around the MD Capital in Annapolis. Last year I took my Suzuki and was a part of a line of bikes that was about a mile long. For those who are familiar with Annapolis, bikers were heading back to the fairgrounds before I got over the bridge and into Annapolis. I am planning on going to it again this year, if anyone is interested in going with me please let me know. While, this event is geared more toward Harley styled bikes (they make up most of Abate) it is a fun event and worth the $5.00 or so bucks to participate. I don't normally stick around too long after the event, I try and get some riding done, especially if the weather is nice. So if anyone is looking to do some riding afterwards, and doesn't want to go to this event let me know. I am going to try and get some others to ride as well. http://www.abate-of-maryland.org/webdoc2.htm First off everyone should know that I believe in wearing a Helmet, I happen to wear a full face one. However, I don't like the current legislation concerning helmets, and this is why I go. While, I don't mind a law concerning the mandatory use of one, like the seat belt law. I am a firm believer that the law should clearly be defined. Currently, Maryland doesn't have any standards concerning what types of Helmets have to be worn and sold such as Snell 95 or DOT certified. My wife is a nurse, and I have gotten too many stories from her and her coworkers about victims who could have been saved if they had been wearing a proper helmet (notice I said victims). I am not singling out the riders of the skull caps (you can get ones with S95 and DOT certifications), too many riders can purchase helmets full face or otherwise (usually mail order because they are cheaper) that aren't going to hold up in a crash. Some who buy these helmets are aware of what they are buying (junk for show), but too many don't know the Helmet that they are wearing isn't going to withstand an impact. I don't mean to sound preachy (I know, too late!!!) but I didn't know jack when I bought my first helmet. It is worth going to the rally just to get some motorcycling information, there are a lot of vendors that will provide information for motorcycling in general - they aren't all there to sell Harley parts. Yes, you will have to put up with the "Let those who ride decide" guys who don't want to wear helmets at all. But this way you will get all the information to make an informed decision for yourself. Jason I. Picton Senior Systems Engineer American Chemical Society Phone: 202-452-2117 Email: jip98@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 12:55:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23689 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08470 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20480 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256696.005CBC47 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:52:55 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256696.005C7B8C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:52:49 -0400 Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline My question is how does it go from $87 to $183. Is the $87 charge the labor? And the rest of it is parts (foam and new cover) and shipping? They want $87 to strip off the old cover, do minor foam repair, install a moisture barrier and install a new cover ... and that's with a surcharge for the BMW because it's harder to work with than the Japanese seats. BTW, for the complete deal, including reshaping the foam and using color-coordinated vinyl it comes to $183 including shipping, From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:04:38 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24096 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25805; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNK9>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:05:50 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC639@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:05:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Must.....resist.......don't ....... reply...... NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo.... Here we go again :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > > You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise > up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. > > Amen to that... They're going to end up like the NRA if they keep this silliness up... The only reason I'll join is when I'm up to a competitive enough level that I can enter one of their races...Hopefully that'll happen within the next two seasons.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:11:42 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24487 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3YIIa02082 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <151e614d.361ba033@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:09:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/7/98 12:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. >> Um, aren't you exercising "Freedom of choice" That's all we are asking for. "Let those Who Ride Decide" Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24889 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TDH7J>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:17:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Fagan, Collin LTJG'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:17:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I think you could have some fun with my car. Not all cars are boring. Just the most of em. Glenn > Nope... Just love Dodge trucks :) > I'm really not into any car...although I DID learn to drive by watching > the > Dukes of Hazzard (that should explain my driving a bit) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:26:50 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25006 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 335; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:25:40 -0400 Message-ID: <361BA444.1C3686B4@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:26:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <002301bdf1ac$c62abb00$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Don't know how it'll work on the Connie, but I've been happy with the 491 on > my Wing. From what they say on the Wing list, in standard Wing usage > (slabbing down the Interstate) it holds up for a long time. I just hope it doesn't transform me into a Wing-rider. Oh wait, I've already got a CB, and the little Touring USA 48 state chart. And I'm gonna be mounting highway pegs soon. AUUGGGH, IT'S STARTING ALREADY! :) If I ever get a trailer to tow behind it, somebody shoot me. Please! At least I don't have an on-board air compressor. Whew. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:48:34 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25962 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A96C108E8; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:48:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007133517.00fa6b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:41:45 -0400 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride In-Reply-To: <85256696.005C0364.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:45 PM 10/7/98 , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you >don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if >you don't wear one. That's the same thing many people say about riding a motorcycle versus driving a car. > You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise >up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. What is it about the AMA lobbying for cycles in HOV lanes, trail funds for off-road riders, motorcyclists' access to roads, motorcyclists' health insurance, and motorcyclists' losses in "no-fault" insurance states that you don't like? If you think AMA is only about helmet laws, then you know nothing about the AMA. If you think the AMA stand on helmet laws should keep you from supporting anything the AMA ever supports, then you might want to reconsider whether overall you're helping or hurting motorcycling. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:48:36 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25969 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A96E108E8; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:48:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007134540.00fd97f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:46:17 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Non motorcycle content: GM Car Info In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HERESY! HERESY! Ban him from the list! :-) Chris Norloff At 01:17 PM 10/7/98 , Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >I think you could have some fun with my car. Not all cars are boring. Just >the most of em. > >Glenn > > >> Nope... Just love Dodge trucks :) >> I'm really not into any car...although I DID learn to drive by watching >> the >> Dukes of Hazzard (that should explain my driving a bit) >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 13:48:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25975 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09294 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22485 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A96D108E8; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:48:29 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981007134223.00fbc100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:45:03 -0400 To: sbeck@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256696.005C7B8C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" $65 for "moving the rise" in the foam (letting me sit farther back, on the lower portion that the rider uses) and reshaping the new cover to fit. $20 for custom color $9.95 shipping & handling Chris Norloff ($87.44 to do everything to the seat, with BMW surcharge. add $30 if the seat pan is metal, and add a fee if it's a non-stock seat pan like a Corbin) At 12:52 PM 10/7/98 , sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: >My question is how does it go from $87 to $183. Is the $87 charge the >labor? And the rest of it is parts (foam and new cover) and shipping? > > > >They want $87 to strip off the old cover, do minor foam repair, >install a moisture barrier and install a new cover ... and that's with a >surcharge for the BMW because it's harder to work with than the Japanese >seats. > >BTW, for the complete deal, including reshaping the foam and using >color-coordinated vinyl it comes to $183 including shipping, > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:02:17 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26848 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3KJEa02317 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3dcf1159.361bac82@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:01:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Damn Chris, Very well stated. ST In a message dated 10/7/98 1:58:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << At 12:45 PM 10/7/98 , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you >don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if >you don't wear one. That's the same thing many people say about riding a motorcycle versus driving a car. > You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise >up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about. What is it about the AMA lobbying for cycles in HOV lanes, trail funds for off-road riders, motorcyclists' access to roads, motorcyclists' health insurance, and motorcyclists' losses in "no-fault" insurance states that you don't like? If you think AMA is only about helmet laws, then you know nothing about the AMA. If you think the AMA stand on helmet laws should keep you from supporting anything the AMA ever supports, then you might want to reconsider whether overall you're helping or hurting motorcycling. Chris Norloff >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:14:59 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27318 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA02141; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:14:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981007181409.CYZR25016@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:14:09 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:13:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdf21e$236c9060$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <361B83A0.27CD4DAB@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal You might give Sargent Saddles a call http://www.sargentcycle.com/ I don't know if they are cheaper, but they do good work. T Dale Horstman wrote: > > Has anyone had good luck with > local upholstery shops? I checked one out, he quoted me $70 to > replace the cover, it seemed a little steep to me for a tiny > solo cruiser seat. Is this a decent price? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:26:35 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27820 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03881 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071829.OAA03881@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Tricks of trade - Winner!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text For folks with some leathers to repair: I just picked up my pants from Tricks of Trade, in great Falls. Cost of work: $15. What was done - redoing some seams on back of my pants. Not easy, since some places covered padding - one need to realing few layers of leather, and avoid going through internal layer of cloth. Quality of work: very good, I have to look where it was broken; Timeliness: Right on time; promissed on Wed, done on Wed, when submitting work I was asked when I need it. Very nice. Price: $15. Dream. I would pay more for shipping it to manufacturer. I strongly recommend. lket the owner know that his ad in Winding road and courtesy earn him more clients. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:34:56 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28355 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA17187; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981007183416.DEQE25016@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:34:16 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:33:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdf220$f2d718a0$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981007123623.00fb8280@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal I'll concur with Chris. Sargent does a good job and they will do just about any custom work you want. http://www.sargentcycle.com/ Todd Chris Norloff wrote: > BTW, for the complete deal, including reshaping the foam and using > color-coordinated vinyl it comes to $183 including shipping, with a 5-day > in-shop turnaround. And she said their winter rush starts in January and > it takes up to 2 weeks in the shop. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:42:51 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28612 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA25351; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:42:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv13-69.ix.netcom.com(204.32.189.69) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024955; Wed Oct 7 13:38:14 1998 Message-ID: <361BB4AC.41F2284E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:36:28 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, for those that rode in today, there is a cold line of showers just getting through Loudoun County now, Yipes, I think fall just got here, I wish I had my rain suit on.. -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 14:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28803 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 370; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:42:36 -0400 Message-ID: <361BB64B.8A1886DB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:43:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tricks of trade - Winner!! References: <199810071829.OAA03881@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do they do seat covers? :) Glad to hear your repairs went well. Dale zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > For folks with some leathers to repair: > > I just picked up my pants from Tricks of Trade, in great Falls. > > Cost of work: $15. > > What was done - redoing some seams on back of my pants. > Not easy, since some places covered padding - one need to realing few > layers of leather, and avoid going through internal layer of cloth. > > Quality of work: very good, I have to look where it was broken; > > Timeliness: Right on time; promissed on Wed, done on Wed, when > submitting work I was asked when I need it. Very nice. > > Price: $15. Dream. I would pay more for shipping it to manufacturer. > > I strongly recommend. lket the owner know that his ad in Winding road > and courtesy earn him more clients. > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:06:08 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29889 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 374; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:05:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981007150437.01950840@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:05:20 -0400 To: Ken Shephard , dc-cycles From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area In-Reply-To: <361BB4AC.41F2284E@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Damnit. I swear that weathermen dont know their head from their ass. At 02:36 PM 10/7/98 , Ken Shephard wrote: >Hey guys, for those that rode in today, there is a cold line of showers >just getting through Loudoun County now, Yipes, I think fall just got >here, I wish I had my rain suit on.. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:07:23 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29910 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2OZ7ML5S690MWMO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:09:16 EDT Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:11:26 -0400 From: Gimer Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <361BBCDE.9D3624B0@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9093933a.361b9469@aol.com> On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue remember which states are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by those wishing to ride sans helmet? I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their constitutionality and would appreciate the info. BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of big brother > government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is > pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a matter of time > before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is no bike at > all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your > ass on a bus! > Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) > Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:07:24 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29908 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071907.PAA29908@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <43JXDP3Z>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:06:43 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'Ken Shephard'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) nnnnoooooooooo...... :( glad my ride home's only about 3 miles.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:14:25 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00148 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <43FDHPBF>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:12:48 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F62@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tricks of trade - Winner!! Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:18:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain I think Zbig was saying that they had just done some seat covers. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 2:43 PM > To: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Tricks of trade - Winner!! > > Do they do seat covers? :) > > Glad to hear your repairs went well. > > Dale > > zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:23:52 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00626 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA15271; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv13-69.ix.netcom.com(204.32.189.69) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015195; Wed Oct 7 14:22:57 1998 Message-ID: <361BBF38.8722C1E9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:21:28 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Damm weathermen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hell, I am convinced they were more accurate twenty years ago before all the computer and satellite stuff than they are now -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:25:27 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00647 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA15507; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:24:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from san-tx14-69.ix.netcom.com(204.32.189.69) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015402; Wed Oct 7 14:23:45 1998 Message-ID: <361BBF68.91CA322D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:22:17 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area References: <199810071907.MAA16896@ixmail6.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lucky you, or unlucky when the weather is nice, mines 70..... McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > nnnnoooooooooo...... :( glad my ride home's only about 3 miles.. > > Brian -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:33:06 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01050 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA19757; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981007193201.DWIS25016@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:32:01 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Gimer" , Subject: RE: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:31:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdf229$038a0600$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <361BBCDE.9D3624B0@smart.net> Importance: Normal Go here Tom http://www.mrf.org/ All you ever wanted to know on the subject and more! Todd > On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue > remember which states > are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by > those wishing to > ride sans helmet? > > I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their > constitutionality and would appreciate the info. > > > BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > > > It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of > big brother > > government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is > > pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a > matter of time > > before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is > no bike at > > all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your > > ass on a bus! > > Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) > > Steel Trap > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 15:58:49 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02205 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA04151; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810071959.PAA04151@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Cold Line of showers heading into Metro area To: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken Shephard) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361BBF68.91CA322D@ix.netcom.com> from "Ken Shephard" at Oct 7, 98 03:22:17 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > References: <199810071907.MAA16896@XXXXXX> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Lucky you, or unlucky when the weather is nice, mines 70..... > > McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > nnnnoooooooooo...... :( glad my ride home's only about 3 miles.. > > > > Brian 9 miles from the shop to my home. New tires, mud on the road. Anyway, new tires - feels liek new bike. No longer hesitation and drop when leaning into corner; smooth, gradula transistion. I will have to break in tires on Saturday - I won't have a chance to ride before. See you on the road ! > > -- > HDKnight > Ride Safe > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood WV > > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 16:06:45 1998 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02487 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:06:43 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA04234; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810072009.QAA04234@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Tricks of trade - Winner!! To: merscht@XXXXXX (Mersch, Tom) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F62@RBMAIL103> from "Mersch, Tom" at Oct 7, 98 03:18:23 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > I think Zbig was saying that they had just done some seat covers. > Saddles. Shoes. New shoes ( very nice and lovely ). Art froms from leathers. Belts. Very nice place, lot of craftmanship at display. Worthy a trip just to see it on the way to great falls. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 16:36:45 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03828 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26473 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:36:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Life In-Reply-To: <00b701bdf14d$2302be00$c07f61ce@thg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > As far as Azarros, I saw Craig eat one up in about 2k miles.....but Kirk got > some excellent life out of one (how much was it?). Hmmm.... I've gotten about 6k miles so far and I expect to get a couple K more. However, I'd rather get 6.5K miles out of an MEZ1 and get a lot more grip. I won't be buying Azaros again. Mind you that the Azaro is on the rear of a bike that weighs less than 600 lbs with me and my bags on it. Collin's words of praise were for a bike that weighed almost as much as me and my bike together... The MEZ3s will probably be next. Oh, I've got about 12k miles out of an MEZ1 racing front so far. My tires get worn out commuting... Kirk (late in this thread as I spent yesterday in Disney World) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 19:19:00 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10692 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981007232047.26631.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.195.115.133] by send103.yahoomail.com; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:20:47 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Tire Life To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > > As far as Azarros, I saw Craig eat one up in about 2k miles.....but Kirk got > > some excellent life out of one (how much was it?). Hmmm.... ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > I've gotten about 6k miles so far and I expect to get a couple K more. > However, I'd rather get 6.5K miles out of an MEZ1 and get a lot more grip. > I won't be buying Azaros again. The Azaro was nice when it was new, but after it got 1500-2000mi. on it, it went away quick and I could feel the loss in handling. The construction seemed not as good either, as the casing is soft and flimsy as compared to Dunlops or Metzlers. Granted I put it through several significant heat cycles and "blued" the edges a couple times, hehehhe I agree with Kirk that I wont be buying another. Michelins are next for me and the "beast". == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 19:24:51 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11067 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZPQa03785 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:23:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 The guy looking for sites to gain info for his research paper. I think Chris give you the MRF, there great. Here is BOLT's address: http://usff.com/BOLThome.html The AMA has a bunch of good stuff as well. http://www.ama-cycle.org A bro name of Lee runs a good site out of Calif. http://www.amaheim.quik.com/jordan/lawinfo.htm I have others if ya need more. Good hunting! ST From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 19:28:20 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11151 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p145.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.145]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18463 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:25:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <361BF7D2.5F03@flash.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:22:58 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride References: <9093933a.361b9469@aol.com> <361BBCDE.9D3624B0@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gimer wrote: > > On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue remember which states > are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by those wishing to > ride sans helmet? > > I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their > constitutionality and would appreciate the info. Gimer, Texas and Kentucky, for two. You can start your research with (the cursed, eh Doug?) AMA's American Motorcyclist issues 5/98 and 9/98. Ed Youngblood wrote an editorial in May and had several Letters to the Editor printed in the September issue. As far as constitutionality, that's irrelevant these days. Even the legislators who respect the Constitution can be overridden by activist judges. Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the Constitution, so the standard is set. It's not government per se, it's the people we elect. Lee From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 19:52:48 1998 Return-Path: robmoody@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12075 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron3 ([12.68.65.234]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19981007235215.PEBL22015@micron3> for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:52:15 +0000 From: "RobMoody" To: Subject: Used helmets needed Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:58:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdf24e$74621dc0$a541440c@micron3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I need to buy two used helmets sizes small and medium. Rob robmoody@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 21:46:43 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16695 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:33:59 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: Wingebagos Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:36:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01bdf25c$088e52e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361BA444.1C3686B4@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Funny thing is, I carry one of those little 12v jobs that you can get at Pep Boys or Trak for $15. Work really well, doesn't take up that much space, and if it breaks, I toss it and buy a new one. I keep reading about GL12 and 15 owners trying to track down leaks, shorts, etc. in their onboard air system. Way too much hassle. BTW, it works REALLY nice for checking and topping off tires in the morning while on a trip. I'll agree with you on the trailer. I thought about it, but you can put on a hack for not much more money. Although the pop-top camper-trailers are a nifty idea... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > I just hope it doesn't transform me into a Wing-rider. Oh wait, > I've already got a CB, and the little Touring USA 48 state chart. > And I'm gonna be mounting highway pegs soon. AUUGGGH, IT'S > STARTING ALREADY! :) > > If I ever get a trailer to tow behind it, somebody shoot me. Please! > > At least I don't have an on-board air compressor. Whew. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 21:46:45 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16697 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:35:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gimer" , Subject: RE: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:38:09 -0400 Message-ID: <007001bdf25c$4ddbb7c0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361BBCDE.9D3624B0@smart.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Might want to check the AMA site, but Kentucky and Texas are on the list. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Gimer [mailto:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 3:11 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride > > > On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue > remember which states > are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by > those wishing to > ride sans helmet? > > I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their > constitutionality and would appreciate the info. > > > BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > > > It's not about if a helmet is good or not. It is a matter of > big brother > > government treating you like a child. ABATE is not anti-helmet, it is > > pro-choice! If you don't stop big brother now it is only a > matter of time > > before you see air bags on your handle bars! After that it is > no bike at > > all. Big brother doesn't want just your head in a helmet, he wants your > > ass on a bus! > > Ride Free! (alcohol & helmets) > > Steel Trap > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 22:32:39 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18411 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana ([207.172.117.209]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 375; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:32:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981007223047.00ad5aa0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:31:42 -0400 To: "RobMoody" , From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Used helmets needed In-Reply-To: <000801bdf24e$74621dc0$a541440c@micron3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 07:58 PM 10/7/98 -0400, RobMoody wrote: >I need to buy two used helmets sizes small and medium. Rob >robmoody@XXXXXX 2 things 1) Can anyone post to this list, even if they arent subscribed? 2) What would you use used helmets for? (safety issue) _____________________________________=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0 Mike Troutman =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mike@XXXXXX =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.troutman.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 22:49:16 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19170 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16419 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07939 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3UCVa03786; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:48:35 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <75592fb6.361c2803@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:48:35 EDT To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/7/98 12:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if you don't wear one. You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about.>> Your are ignorant to the issues if you think that is all abate and ama care about. try doing some research on this stuff, you may be supprised as to how much it will affect you. I know I was. One thing is for sure...with the way the RUBs go out and buy new Harleys with no prior m/c training, repealing the helmet law will only result in a fresh supply of used Harley parts from salvaged bikes in junkyards, with their RUB owners pushin' up daisies in the local graveyard.>> Hmm, harleys huh.. yeah, thats why I joined ABATE when I was riding a CBR 600, and now I have a 98 TLR. well, ya got me on the v-twin. ;-) Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 22:50:42 1998 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from owl.hartzler.net (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.80]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19249 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ph@localhost) by owl.hartzler.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA01834 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:48:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:48:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Used helmets needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Michael Troutman wrote: > At 07:58 PM 10/7/98 -0400, RobMoody wrote: > >I need to buy two used helmets sizes small and medium. Rob > >robmoody@XXXXXX > > 2 things > > 1) Can anyone post to this list, even if they arent subscribed? If you're reading this, then anybody can post. > 2) What would you use used helmets for? (safety issue) Halloween costume perhaps? ;) -ph ph@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 23:57:37 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21759 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17095 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09261 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3SULa22052; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:56:16 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <57353656.361c37e0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:56:16 EDT To: roadhouse@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Lean runner fixed... Embarrasing!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Well, I figured out why my bike was acting sluggish. It wasn't because it need to be rejetted or the fuel was bad or anything like that. The screws that hold the airbox cover on had worked themselves loose and fallen out! The cover was laying on the outer body panel and the carbs were sucking waaay too much air! OOPS!! I Guess that since it rattled the screws loose my Shadow is a "Harley wanna-be." Robert "No offense intended" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 7 23:57:30 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21756 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA29591; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:52:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:46:33 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: help with a seat cover To: Dale Horstman cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <361B83A0.27CD4DAB@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Tracy's got a rip in the seat cover of her Suzuki Savage. > Where it's positioned it is quite literally and figuratively a > pain in the ass. I need to get a new cover. Want some new vinyl?I bought some to mod the seat on the ex-POS.I only needed about 3 square inches,but had to buy a square yard,so I've got plenty left over.If you're interested,just send me a large SASE and tell me how big a piece you need. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 00:20:27 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22632 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:17:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:20:04 -0400 Message-ID: <008901bdf272$ec530820$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Did you get rid of the Pretty Hate Machine? How's life in the right lane? Anybody make any offers on the new bike? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [mailto:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:47 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: help with a seat cover > > > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Tracy's got a rip in the seat cover of her Suzuki Savage. > > Where it's positioned it is quite literally and figuratively a > > pain in the ass. I need to get a new cover. > > Want some new vinyl?I bought some to mod the seat on the ex-POS.I only > needed about 3 square inches,but had to buy a square yard,so I've > got plenty > left over.If you're interested,just send me a large SASE and tell me how > big a piece you need. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 03:24:21 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00777 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA01384; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:20:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:18:16 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <008901bdf272$ec530820$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > Did you get rid of the Pretty Hate Machine? Yup.Traded it for the Dyna. > How's life in the right lane? Ha ha. > Anybody make any offers on the new bike? Sold the Fat Boy to a friend of a friend of the brother-in-law of a lister. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 03:43:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA01607 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 03:41:11 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdf28f$57756b40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Yup.Traded it for the Dyna. Geez, missed that post. How is it? What color? What dealer? > > How's life in the right lane? > > Ha ha. At least it's not life in the breakdown lane anymore (knock wood) > > Anybody make any offers on the new bike? > > Sold the Fat Boy to a friend of a friend of the brother-in-law > of a lister. Why did you switch? Chose the improved handling, etc. over the appearance? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 04:36:47 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA04277 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA01634; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:33:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:07:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: help with a seat cover To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <000001bdf28f$57756b40$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > > Yup.Traded it for the Dyna. > Geez, missed that post. How is it? What color? What dealer? Just got back.It's black.I got it at Brain's HD/Buell in PA (just above Phila).You can find their website through Yahoo and there's a pic of it in their used bike section. > > Sold the Fat Boy to a friend of a friend of the brother-in-law > > of a lister. > Why did you switch? Chose the improved handling, etc. over the appearance? Yup.Dyna's for riding,Fat Boy's for posing.Better handling/ground clearance,dual front disks,rubber mounted motor,detachable windshield and bags.And way more comfortable than the POS. This thing is really sweet.Even at idle there's hardly any vibes.Handling and brakes are pretty much on par with the '80's series Magnas,in fact the seating position is the same as my Dad's '84 700 model.All the weight is down low and there's tons of steering lock so this bike is way easier to maneauver at low speeds than the Buell was;I can actually do u-turns again. Both my Dad and my uncle(hard core Honda riders) have ridden it and they both gave it thumbs up.Dad said after taking a spin on this he might even consider getting a Harley someday. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 06:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08748 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FNQFa02329; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5a856ba2.361c94ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:32:26 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: help with a seat cover Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/8/98 4:43:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Yup.Dyna's for riding,Fat Boy's for posing.B >> Hmmmmm, I see that even within a style concious group there are fine distinctions. Do Fat Boy riders wave at Dyna riders?:-))) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 06:58:04 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09633 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810081058.GAA09633@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4PD8PC6M>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:57:57 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:55:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) This is the intent and design of the Avon.. I forget all the high-tech explinations, but something about the softer carcas allowed them to build the tire differently to get the 0degree belting in the center. One interesting note on the 2 people who don't like the Azaros.. they're both on twins. Twins deliver power to the ground a LOT differently than Collin's GSXR.. So don't let these 2 scare you away from trying the tire.. I'm convinced that they are good tires (just from watching Collin ride with it last summer). Anyway.. I'll go hide in my corner somemore.. :P Brian McCoy *-----Original Message----- *The construction seemed not as good either, as the casing is soft and *flimsy as compared to Dunlops or Metzlers. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 07:17:57 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10417 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TDP4Q>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:16:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Gil's Bikes... was RE: help with a seat cover Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:16:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I gotta hand it to you Gil, you have the most diverse taste in motorcycles I think I've seen. You should send a list of the bikes you've had. The ones I know about are: V30 Magna, CBR900RR, Buell (don't know which one, they all look the same), HD Dyna. Which ones am I missing? Glenn > Yup.Traded it for the Dyna. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:01:01 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12121 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04922; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSN3T>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC642@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Michael Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Used helmets needed Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:02:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, it doesn't do a mail verification like most majordomo servers... Anyone can post to dc-cycles from any address and it'll go through... Collin (I'm only subscribed from "gixer@XXXXXX", but when at work, my posts come from the .mil address, and at home the come from geocities, or erols depending on what mail I'm checking or when I decide to post something) > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Used helmets needed > > > 1) Can anyone post to this list, even if they arent subscribed? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:15:08 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12880 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23055 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15416 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05759; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSN3Z>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC643@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'" , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sean, I agree with you and Chris N. that the helmet issue is not the only thing that ABATE and AMA do for motorcyclists. My biggest bitch (moreso towards ABATE than AMA) is that in the public eye, they are making the biggest stink about the helmet thing.. the other great stuff they do rarely sees the light of day outside of motorcycle circles. Hmmm.. sounds just like the NRA... I see it like this... The biggest portion of us are gonna wear a helmet regardless...Regardless of facts one way or the other, Joe Public, non-motorcylist, thinks helmets save lives and keep their health insurance bills down... They see it as a safety issue, not a choice issue, and you're not gonna change their oppinions on that......So why doesn't ABATE and AMA BACK THIS ISSUE and build credibility with the non-motorcycling community so that we can have a more widespread support on the big issues like this silly airbag crap and leg guards for crying out loud....Cause when it comes time to do things in legislatures, we're gonna need the support of not only motorcyclists, but the support of Joe Public too... (the same arguments go for the seatbelt law...it's basically the same thing...let's face it, most Americans are too stupid to do the simple things that can save their lives) When the NRA tried to stomp the 5 day waiting period, they lost damn near every bit of credibility with the public... As a result, they are nowhere near the capitol hill powerhouse they used to be. Not to mention all the membership they lost (me included)... I'm sure I started a big one here, but oh well..... gotta have something to do on a drizzlly Thursday > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride > > Your are ignorant to the issues if you think that is all abate and ama > care > about. try doing some research on this stuff, you may be supprised as to > how > much it will affect you. I know I was. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:17:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12908 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23074 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15432 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id IAA02185; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256697.006607A6 ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:14:49 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.004342DA.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:15:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=SN60ro8jqVjgZIF0AiAPLdfjSfTBlWInLJLaX9ibjQ0rF0X16aZCdlSz" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=SN60ro8jqVjgZIF0AiAPLdfjSfTBlWInLJLaX9ibjQ0rF0X16aZCdlSz Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I *never* said the helmet issue was the only thing the AMA or ABATE cared about, though all I hear about ABATE deals with the helmet issue. When I mention the organization to other riders they instantly go to the helmet issue, so of the general population that has actually heard of the organization, I'm tempted to say that many associate them directly with the helmet issue (and then form their opinions either way from there). I know the AMA is involved with motorcycles in the HOV lane, more rights for riders, etc. Maybe another reason I haven't joined the AMA is because I don't have an m/c anymore, nor do I have loads of disposable income I choose to throw around at the moment (one reason I sold the old bike...maybe someday I'll just buy one new). As for you being a RUB, which is the blurb of my message that you responded to in your second statement, thats for you to decide. I don't see any phrases in my statement indicating that I was associating RUBs and their Harleys with ABATE (please don't manipulate my words)...on the contrary, I bet any recreational riding RUB would be the last person to join a political motorcycle organization because they probably don't care enough about the issue...if they make it too difficult for them to ride, they'll sell the Harley (and the trailer they use to cart it in and out of the city) and just drive the beemer. Just IMO, -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX to file: 10/07/98 10:48 PM pic12667.pcx) To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride In a message dated 10/7/98 12:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if you don't wear one. 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I will say that the Azaros were sticky and provided good grip when "NEW". Nice snot wads build up on the edges when you get them hot..hehehhe ---"McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > This is the intent and design of the Avon.. I forget all the high-tech > explinations, but something about the softer carcas allowed them to build > the tire differently to get the 0degree belting in the center. == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13567 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TDS28>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:33:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:34:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) That's a Bimmer not a Beemer. :-) Glenn > about the issue...if they make it too difficult for them to ride, they'll > sell the Harley (and the trailer they use to cart it in and out of the > city) and just drive the beemer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:37:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13858 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23222 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15643 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id IAA04486 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256697.0066358B ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:35:44 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.00451D66.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:35:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=HXTc5eNGZwGrY7Ua0FUDjOZnPsodqHzmvglESnEpzUsVP7blLz9wpZeh" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=HXTc5eNGZwGrY7Ua0FUDjOZnPsodqHzmvglESnEpzUsVP7blLz9wpZeh Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline oops...misphrase in the second paragraph of my last message...please just disregard it... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride I *never* said the helmet issue was the only thing the AMA or ABATE cared about, though all I hear about ABATE deals with the helmet issue. When I mention the organization to other riders they instantly go to the helmet issue, so of the general population that has actually heard of the organization, I'm tempted to say that many associate them directly with the helmet issue (and then form their opinions either way from there). I know the AMA is involved with motorcycles in the HOV lane, more rights for riders, etc. Maybe another reason I haven't joined the AMA is because I don't have an m/c anymore, nor do I have loads of disposable income I choose to throw around at the moment (one reason I sold the old bike...maybe someday I'll just buy one new). As for you being a RUB, which is the blurb of my message that you responded to in your second statement, thats for you to decide. I don't see any phrases in my statement indicating that I was associating RUBs and their Harleys with ABATE (please don't manipulate my words)...on the contrary, I bet any recreational riding RUB would be the last person to join a political motorcycle organization because they probably don't care enough about the issue...if they make it too difficult for them to ride, they'll sell the Harley (and the trailer they use to cart it in and out of the city) and just drive the beemer. Just IMO, -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX to file: 10/07/98 10:48 PM pic12667.pcx) To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride In a message dated 10/7/98 12:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX writes: << God, doesn't anyone get tired of this helmet debate? Its great it you don't want to listen to the man, but IMO you don't value your life much if you don't wear one. You wont catch me in the AMA or ABATE until they wise up and spend the funds on issues that are worth fighting about.>> Your are ignorant to the issues if you think that is all abate and ama care about. try doing some research on this stuff, you may be supprised as to how much it will affect you. I know I was. 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Of course, when the mud slingers start digging they're bound to dig up something on just about anyone. Who out there has done no wrong? And even if they didn't find anything they'd just make it up...if Barbara Bush ran for president they'd probably say she worked in a brothel :-O sad state of affairs, eh? -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX Please respond to leerider@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Gimer wrote: > > On a similar subject.....does anybody following the issue remember which states > are proposing that mandatory health insurance be purchased by those wishing to > ride sans helmet? > > I'm writing a note/comment on the issue of helmet laws and their > constitutionality and would appreciate the info. Gimer, Texas and Kentucky, for two. You can start your research with (the cursed, eh Doug?) AMA's American Motorcyclist issues 5/98 and 9/98. Ed Youngblood wrote an editorial in May and had several Letters to the Editor printed in the September issue. As far as constitutionality, that's irrelevant these days. Even the legislators who respect the Constitution can be overridden by activist judges. Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the Constitution, so the standard is set. It's not government per se, it's the people we elect. Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:47:51 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14259 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07835; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNPD>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:49:03 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC645@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Craig'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:49:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I've heard the TL's in general cause a lot of casing flex (especially on the Metzlers)...Either way, I though the Azarro's felxed very similar to a race tire... when leaned over to max lean angles, the tire would fold up and over the rim keeping extra rubber on the ground... The rear never peeled up on me, but the front always looked like a race tire after a hard ride (burred up bigtime...got some pics of it somehwere at the house) > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:40 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Tire Life > > May be the reason, but it's kinda un-nerving when your line is set for > a corner and the casing flexes , makes the back end twitch and changes > your line... > I will say that the Azaros were sticky and provided good grip when > "NEW". > Nice snot wads build up on the edges when you get them hot..hehehhe > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:53:05 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14383 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08145; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNPH>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC647@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:54:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That's why I'd never make it to public office... I've done plenty of things that are "wrong" in the eyes of the puritanistic public (some of you know some of it ..he he he) But unlike some folks I'd tell it like it is... they don't like me for who I am, stuff em... Plenty of jobs out there for me anyhow... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:58:17 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14705 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23406 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16057 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Thu Oct 8 07:58 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA18808 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDF299.C2681100@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to learn that they only have 35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge due to reliability issues. BTW, there's a good auto junk yard out there. --John 98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 08:59:35 1998 Return-Path: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14757 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:59:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id IAA07746; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256697.00667CDB ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.00473A01.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:58:49 -0400 Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Something my brother said that I completely agree with is that you have to be an ego-maniac to want to run for president...a power hungry egomaniac, and possibly somewhat of a massochist for all the abuse you're going to take, all the misconceptions people are going to draw on your character and views, and all the hassles your family will sustain. Guess thats why we end up with these people in office...when was the last time you felt genuinely positive about a presidential candidate, versus choosing the lesser of two evils? -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c That's why I'd never make it to public office... I've done plenty of things that are "wrong" in the eyes of the puritanistic public (some of you know some of it ..he he he) But unlike some folks I'd tell it like it is... they don't like me for who I am, stuff em... Plenty of jobs out there for me anyhow... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:06:53 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send105.yahoomail.com (send105.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14913 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981008130728.19250.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send105.yahoomail.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 06:07:28 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:07:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Tire Life To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is all very true and to add to it , The ones you use to race on don't generally get 1500 miles on them, so the tire may act differently for you. On the Metzler subject, I have not had a tire that lasted and was as confidence inspiring on the front as the ME-Z1/racing is...It outlasted the Dunlop 204 - 207...and didn't get the "cupping" that the dunlops inheriently do. ---"Fagan, Collin LTJG" wrote: > > I've heard the TL's in general cause a lot of casing flex (especially on the > Metzlers)...Either way, I though the Azarro's felxed very similar to a race > tire... when leaned over to max lean angles, the tire would fold up and over > the rim keeping extra rubber on the ground... > > The rear never peeled up on me, but the front always looked like a race tire > after a hard ride (burred up bigtime...got some pics of it somehwere at the > house) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:40 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Tire Life > > > > May be the reason, but it's kinda un-nerving when your line is set for > > a corner and the casing flexes , makes the back end twitch and changes > > your line... > > I will say that the Azaros were sticky and provided good grip when > > "NEW". > > Nice snot wads build up on the edges when you get them hot..hehehhe > > > > > > > == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:28:35 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15805 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4N7TD4C3>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:26:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:26:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I think the EX500 have more then 60 hp (at the crank). Glenn > . (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:34:02 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16118 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 313; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: <361CBF3D.996AD461@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:33:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: help with a seat cover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > Yup.Dyna's for riding,Fat Boy's for posing.Better handling/ground > clearance,dual front disks,rubber mounted motor,detachable windshield > and bags. This thing is really sweet.Even at idle there's > hardly any vibes.Handling and brakes are pretty much on par with the > '80's series Magnas, Cool! You confirmed some of my suspicions about the Dyna Convertible. If I ever get rich and eccentric enough (I guess I've got the eccentric part down pat), that'll be the Harley I buy. Are you gonna get that frame brace thingy that we all talked about here a few weeks ago? Cure the Dyna's flex problems? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:36:13 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16205 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 350; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: <361CBFC8.84446D7@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:36:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" CC: "'Gil M. Nissley'" Subject: Re: Gil's Bikes... was RE: help with a seat cover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > I gotta hand it to you Gil, you have the most diverse taste in motorcycles I > think I've seen. You should send a list of the bikes you've had. The ones > I know about are: V30 Magna, CBR900RR, Buell (don't know which one, they all > look the same), HD Dyna. That's not so strange. Simply put, all bikes are cool. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16604 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 188; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:43:41 -0400 Message-ID: <361CC1C3.598C311A@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:44:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad Presidents, non-m/c References: <85256697.00473A01.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > > Something my brother said that I completely agree with is that you have to > be an ego-maniac to want to run for president...a power hungry egomaniac, Or in Bubba's case, you have to be married to one. :) > when was the last time you felt > genuinely positive about a presidential candidate, versus choosing the > lesser of two evils? Actually, I liked George Bush as an individual, he just wasn't a very good president, lacked vision on domestic issues. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:49:02 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16703 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 308; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:46:10 -0400 Message-ID: <361CC258.14C51E0B@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:47:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Life References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC645@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > when leaned over to max lean angles, the tire would fold up and over > the rim keeping extra rubber on the ground... Oy vay! Maybe I don't wanna grow up to be like Collin. :) I think I would freak out if I knew my tires were doing this. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 09:57:31 1998 Return-Path: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17183 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981008135938.10828.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send104.yahoomail.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 06:59:38 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Tire Life To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aww come now Dale.... All tires are doing this to some degree, It's just intensified with the LOW air pressures that they run on the track... ---Dale Horstman wrote: > I think I would freak out if I knew my tires were doing this. :) == "Corner Carving Crazy" Blue TL _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:11:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17740 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24376 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18306 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:10:10 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:07:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:10:27 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycles!!! (Please) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline A friend of mine bought one of the first Dnepr sidecar rigs 'bout 15 years ago (predesessor to URAL). Essentially it's a crude rooskie copy of a WWII BMW, which they had plenty of when Old Man Winter kicked the nazis off the eastern front. They are cool in a sidecar kinda way. His was the "military" model with the driven sidecar wheel (it had a differential like a car). When he drove (yes you drive) it solo, he had to keep a bag of cement in the car. You're wrong about the power and torque, however. There was NO power ANYWHERE :-) Joe >>> "Carver, John" - 10/8/98 8:58 AM >>> Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to learn that they only have 35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge due to reliability issues. BTW, there's a good auto junk yard out there. --John 98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:11:50 1998 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17743 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08653; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:11:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Craig cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Life In-Reply-To: <19981008123027.6761.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Craig wrote: > May be the reason, but it's kinda un-nerving when your line is set for > a corner and the casing flexes , makes the back end twitch and changes > your line... That may be what was going on with my tires that I took for sliding. I know there was some shifting in the rear end that didn't occur nice and smoothly. I will, however, admit to being somewhat hamfisted... The MEZ1s are much more forgiving of my hamfistedness. > Nice snot wads build up on the edges when you get them hot..hehehhe The first time I rode with Craig he was still happy with the Azaros (they were new). When we got through 211 and took a look at our tires both of our rear Azaros had snot wads all over the place. I think Leon said it most poignantly, "you're not going to get many miles out of those". Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:14:11 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18117 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810081414.KAA18117@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4PD8PGSX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:13:51 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Life Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:10:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) it ain't that low.. 28 or so on average days.. maybe down to the low 20's on cold mornings... And that's more for the flex to keep the tire warm.. Brian *-----Original Message----- * *Aww come now Dale.... *All tires are doing this to some degree, It's just intensified with *the LOW air pressures that they run on the track... * From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:19:47 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18210 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:18:20 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:16:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:18:54 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Saw a great piece of graffito on a bridge in Minneapolis way back: "Bush vs. Dukakis: Coke vs. Pepsi" Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:36:05 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19119 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ2W9DVJ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:34:58 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad Presidents, non-m/c Message-ID: <19981006.080803.7751.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <85256697.00473A01.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> <361CC1C3.598C311A@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:34:58 EDT >you have to be an ego-maniac to want to run for president...a power hungry >egomaniac, > >>Or in Bubba's case, you have to be married to one. :) I know funny, and that's funny... --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 10:59:20 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20013 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimerhome (max2p209.smart.net [206.97.127.209]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18493; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bdf2ce$28bb7300$d17f61ce@gimerhome> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: Cc: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:12:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Lee Powell To: dc-cycles Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride >Gimer, > >Texas and Kentucky, for two. You can start your research with (the >cursed, eh Doug?) AMA's American Motorcyclist issues 5/98 and 9/98. Ed >Youngblood wrote an editorial in May and had several Letters to the >Editor printed in the September issue. I remember reading those articles....just didn't remember where. Thanks. >As far as constitutionality, that's irrelevant these days. Even the >legislators who respect the Constitution can be overridden by activist >judges. Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the >Constitution, so the standard is set. I have to disagree with you here. Judges die....the Constitution won't. Anyway, I'm writing the note from an unbiased perspective....whatever I find in my analysis of the Constitution's application to these proposed laws is what will end up in my paper. Not sure how the Clinton thing relates to this topic....but it seems to enter every conversation these days. >It's not government per se, it's the people we elect. > >Lee From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 11:10:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20461 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25247 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20937 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:07:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:09:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdf2cd$b6bd03e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal They only put out that kind of power because they are basically a WWII BMW design. R71, I think. And, according to the guy at Winchester Indian, they are a rather poorly put together, unrefined, unreliable bike (which is why you would buy a BMW in the first place). OTOH, I've met one guy at Mortons BMW who had one and loved it, and Craig Velorchik (big into vintage BMWs) seems to prefer them to Chiang Jiangs. The other thing is that you can put the /5 and /7 engines into the bike fairly easily. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:58 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ > They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to > learn that they only have > 35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available > down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there > is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. > I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to > take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge > due to reliability issues. > > BTW, there's a good auto junk yard out there. > > --John > 98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 11:12:18 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20537 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18964 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNQS>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC64A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: more FS stuff Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:13:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain More for sale stuff... Lot's of F2/F3 riders on the list... Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:05:32 -0400 From: "Tony Iannarelli" To: Subject: F3 Parts for Sale Message-ID: <199810080401.VAA25592@moto.micapeak.com> http://www.samnet.net/racingrep/miscellaneous/f3parts4sale.htm If you (or someone you know) is looking to race an F3 - go to this page. Everything you need in one place, at less than half the cost of new. -------------------------- Tony Iannarelli SAMnet Motorcycle Racing tony@XXXXXX http://www.samnet.net/racingrep From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 11:27:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21149 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25531 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21748 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:26:22 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:24:00 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:26:44 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Right, fit & finish is absolutely stone-age. Unsurpassed in funk value, however. >>> "George Howell" - 10/8/98 11:09 AM >>> They only put out that kind of power because they are basically a WWII BMW design. R71, I think. And, according to the guy at Winchester Indian, they are a rather poorly put together, unrefined, unreliable bike (which is why you would buy a BMW in the first place). OTOH, I've met one guy at Mortons BMW who had one and loved it, and Craig Velorchik (big into vintage BMWs) seems to prefer them to Chiang Jiangs. The other thing is that you can put the /5 and /7 engines into the bike fairly easily. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:58 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ > They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to > learn that they only have > 35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available > down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there > is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. > I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to > take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge > due to reliability issues. > > BTW, there's a good auto junk yard out there. > > --John > 98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:11:43 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22990 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3DABa22759; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:10:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/8/98 9:16:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << Subj: RE: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: 10/8/98 9:16:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: cfagan@XXXXXX (Fagan, Collin LTJG) To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX ('CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'), Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sean, I agree with you and Chris N. that the helmet issue is not the only thing that ABATE and AMA do for motorcyclists. My biggest bitch (moreso towards ABATE than AMA) is that in the public eye, they are making the biggest stink about the helmet thing.. the other great stuff they do rarely sees the light of day outside of motorcycle circles. Hmmm.. sounds just like the NRA... I see it like this... The biggest portion of us are gonna wear a helmet regardless...Regardless of facts one way or the other I agree with you, therefore why the need to restrict freedom of choice? , Joe Public, non-motorcylist, thinks helmets save lives and keep their health insurance bills down... They see it as a safety issue, not a choice issue, and you're not gonna change their oppinions on that......So why doesn't ABATE and AMA BACK THIS ISSUE and build credibility with the non-motorcycling community so that we can have a more widespread support on the big issues like this silly airbag crap and leg guards for crying out loud.... Once again I agree with you. If we could have stopped the mandatory helmet laws we would not be looking at airbags and leg guards now. Cause when it comes time to do things in legislatures, we're gonna need the support of not only motorcyclists, but the support of Joe Public too... (the same arguments go for the seatbelt law...it's basically the same thing... let's face it, most Americans are too stupid to do the simple things that can save their lives) Are you saying your smarter then the most Americans? Feeling rather superior aren't you? You have the same thinking as "big brother." When the NRA tried to stomp the 5 day waiting period, they lost damn near every bit of credibility with the public... You don't think much of the Constitution uh As a result, they are nowhere near the capitol hill powerhouse they used to be. Not to mention all the membership they lost (me included)... Practicing "Freedom of choice" uh I'm sure I started a big one here, but oh well..... gotta have something to do on a drizzlly Thursday >> Don't be afraid to speak you mind, that's what "Freedom of speech" is all about. Alas, that is part of the Consatution that you don't think much of though. Just having my say, that's what the list is all about. Ride Free! ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:29:25 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23729 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25684; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNRF>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC64B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:30:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain As much as I'm telling myself to keep my mouth shut.... I just can't do that... Where in the constitution does it say that as part of my right to bear arms that I have the right to buy them today??? Not one thing unconstitutional about doing a quick background check (which is all that 's required now...the 5 day waiting period has been dropped) Where in the constitution does it say that you have the right to drive on a road? hmmm??? It's a privelege not a right... This will be a little exagerated to make the point, but along your same theory, I should be able to choose to drive on the left side of the road...or choose to ignore stop signs..all cause it's my freedom of choice... I'm not superior by any means... When it first came out, I resented seat belt laws...However, between an addimant driver's ed instructor at 15, and getting very used to wearing one, I don't feel comfortable at all without one... A lot of it came with age too...as I got older I realized that my teenage mentality that I was indestructible wasn't quite right...I think some people just haven't realized that yet... I truly believe that if the two groups had fully supported the helmet issue they would have a lot stronger power to deal with the airbag/leg guard/etc. issues that don't make any feasable sense...i.e. most crashes I've seen, the rider generally is separated frome the bike..an airbag will be useless. However, most crashes I've seen, the riders head does indeed whack the ground...as it is now, people are gonna pay a lot less attention to them and pass silly requirements like that.. I believe in the freedom of choice and the constitution....However, we're talking about driving..it's a privelege not a right! Collin Any further comments from me will be off list.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:40:46 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24223 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26615 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24787 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA23452; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981008163958.KDBZ22777@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:58 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "George Howell" , "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:38:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdf2da$24754760$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000601bdf2cd$b6bd03e0$6e0000c0@demon> They are as George writes, but at more than half the price of some of those BMW$$$$. Also, I heard Winchester Indian was having some trouble getting any Urals due to the EPA requirements violations. So now they have them? John C., If you are really interested in these bikes (I am, for their "funky value" (Joe Nagy)), go to the Baltimore Moto-Show in February. They'll be there. Up close, they're pretty cool. Todd George Howell wrote: > > They only put out that kind of power because they are basically a WWII BMW > design. R71, I think. > > And, according to the guy at Winchester Indian, they are a rather > poorly put > together, unrefined, unreliable bike (which is why you would buy a BMW in > the first place). OTOH, I've met one guy at Mortons BMW who had one and > loved it, and Craig Velorchik (big into vintage BMWs) seems to prefer them > to Chiang Jiangs. The other thing is that you can put the /5 and > /7 engines > into the bike fairly easily. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:42:05 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24243 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA20325; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981008163956.KDBV22777@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:56 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , Subject: RE: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdf2da$23611840$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <85256697.00473A01.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Ronald Reagen, Ron Paul, Harry Browne....any Libertarian Party candidate. Douglas_Brashear wrote (in part) >...when was the last time you felt > genuinely positive about a presidential candidate, versus choosing the > lesser of two evils? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 12:58:32 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25192 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:58:28 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3JLEa02082 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 This is a bit long but worth the time. ST UNDERSTANDING HEAD AND NECK TRAUMA Or, why helmets increase the danger! by Tony Pan Sanfelipo (January 1998) HEAD AND NECK TRAUMA Trauma is a type of injury which effects the body by external force being applied in a violent and sudden manner. When dealing with motorcycle accidents, it's important to understand the types of forces which a rider = is subjected to, the body parts affected by these forces, and how the body re= acts to certain inertia or 'g-forces'. It has been suggested by NHTSA that helmets might prevent neck injury. Thi= s was prompted by testimony before the Tennessee Transportation Committee wh= en I stated that helmets could cause cervical spine injury due to their weight.= In order to rebut these remarks, a regional spokesman for NHTSA testified tha= t more people receive neck injury without a helmet than those wearing helmet= s. Therefore, he concluded, without any foundation or authorities, that helme= ts might prevent neck injury. This of course is utter nonsense. First, let's define the different types of trauma. 1. Penetrating trauma 2. Blunt trauma 3. Acceleration/deceleration trauma Penetrating trauma is an object entering the body or head due to an object striking the body, or the body being placed in motion and striking an obje= ct which then penetrates the body. Blunt trauma occurs when an object strikes the body or head with force cau= sing a compression of body tissues which results in injury. Acceleration/deceleration trauma occurs when the body is moving and strike= s another moving or stationary object. This results in a change of motion fo= r the body, or a complete stop of motion, which causes stretching and tearin= g of body tissues. When considering the way the FMVSS 218 standard tests helmets, it's clear = that these tests in no way simulate an actual crash situation. The headform in = the helmet has no neck or neck sensors and the helmet is stationary with a wei= ght dropped on it (compression) from an elevation. To properly simulate a crash, a full form human crash test dummy should be used (or perhaps the regional spokesman for NHTSA), whereby the dummy is moving at a certain speed and then comes to an abrupt halt or strikes a stationary object (acceleration/deceleration). 'G-Forces' 'G-forces' are what determines the extent of injury to the head or neck in many motorcycle accidents. When a body is stopped (due to crashing into a stationary object) or is hurled into space with a three pound helmet flexi= ng the neck, the force of gravity causes the body to weigh many times its act= ual weight. For example, a male human head, without helmet, weighs about 10 pounds. If subjected to 10 'G's', that head briefly weighs about 100 pound= s, passing that stress and load onto the neck. Consider adding a 3 pound helm= et, and you begin to appreciate the forces your neck has to contend with. Going a little further, using a full form human dummy, developers of the H= ead and Neck Support (HANS) device found that the head briefly experiences 25 'G's' and weighs about 250 pounds in a 35 mile-per-hour impact. With those forces in play, the delicate human brain bounces around in side the skull (coup/contrecoup) with a force equal to weighing 75 pounds. A normal brain weighs about 3 pounds. Combined with this is the fact that the rotation of= the head and neck during one of these crashes causes severe tearing and stretc= hing of the tissues of the brain and brain stem. No helmet can prevent this collision of the brain within the skull. It has been suggested that race car drivers exceed speeds of 200 miles-per= - hour and walk away from crashes because they had a helmet on. Again, this = is a half-truth, manipulated statement by pro-helmet forces. the truth is race = cars are no longer built out of strong, resilient materials. Modern technicians have learned that in order to protect the driver, the race car must crush = and disintegrate during a crash. This allows for a more gradual, extended peri= od to distribute the force of the crash and decelerate the 'G's'. With a deformable structure construction, akin to airplane design, the chassis an= d body of the car takes up most of the 'G' forces, according to Rick Amabile= in his book, Inside Indy Car Racing: 1990. Besides the chassis design, the internal cockpit of the cars is better designed also. Direct blows to the driver are minimized through a safety system integrating a seat angled backwards at 45 degrees and a six-point safety harness system. The weak li= nk in this equation, again, is the neck. The neck was listed on 31.5 percent of incident reports in races. The Spor= ts Car Club of America (SCCA) performed some analyses on their races and foun= d 17 percent of the injuries sustained were neck injuries. This led to the development of the HANS device, which supports the head and neck, helping prevent whiplash and rotational injuries. This device was developed by Biomechanical Design Inc., of East Lansing, Michigan. The importance of th= is type of device becomes very evident when one considers that according to o= ne of the nations largest insurers of motorsports events, North American Raci= ng Insurance (NARI), 93 percent of all driver injuries were caused by direct blows or sudden, twisting, deceleration forces applied to the body. The mere fact that a racer is wearing a helmet has little or no impact on = his survivability without the other safety engineering factors in place. With = a complete safety engineered race car, the National Safety Council puts driv= ing one of these units in the same hazard range as swimming and alpine skiing.= In fact, according to their charts, a modern race car driver is at less risk = than a scuba diver or mountain climber, and much less at risk than a parachutis= t or hang glider. The problem with motorcycle design is we don't have the safety cockpit tha= t would afford us the room and time for a disintegrating chassis to take up = the 'G-forces' for us. And we don't have anything padded in front of us to red= uce the loads reaching our neck, such as a break away steering wheel or padded dash panel. To say race car drivers walk away from crashes because they we= ar helmets is absurd. Several Indy car racers recently died of closed skull trauma to the brain, due to the exact twisting and tearing actions we said were caused by acceleration/deceleration, which helmets cannot protect against. Yet we don't hear NHTSA explain or comment about these cases. According to SCCA data, the neck is the most often injured body part (31.5 percent), followed by the back (19.5 percent), and then the head (15.8 percent). Severe centrifugal forces exert tremendous shearing pressures on= the brain. This causes the brain to impact on the inside of the skull, or tear= at the medulla at the brain stem. Developers of the HANS used crash test dumm= ies in their testing procedures and found the head can briefly encounter 25 'G= 's', amounting to about 250 pounds, in a 35 mph impact. Gravitational forces ar= e dependent on speed, and a doubling of speed quadruples the 'G-forces'. To determine the number of 'G-forces' in a collision, the formula is: G's=3D.0333X(M.P.H. X M.P.H.) =97 Distance. In other words, multiply the s= quare of the vehicle's speed, in mph, times .0333 and divide it by the stopping distance in feet. This is for a direct, head on collision, and the formula= is more complex in angular collisions due to the fact that the kinetic energy= is expanded over a longer period of time, resulting in lower 'G-forces'. Collision, collision, collision There are actually three collisions occurring in a crash: 1. Vehicle vs whatever it contacts with 2. body vs whatever it contacts with 3. body tissues and organs vs body tissues and organs Once your vehicle strikes another object, you have suffered a collision. A= t that point your body is slammed into some stationary or moving object, or perhaps ejected and is thrown to the ground. At that point, your internal organs, including the brain, began a collision course of their own. Brain injury can occur without any impact to the head, whether helmeted or not. = If the body comes to a sudden stop, including the head and skull, the brain continues to move and slams into the inner skull wall. Brain tissue and bl= ood vessels can shear in this violent, twisting action. The skull, even withou= t a helmet, can withstand hundreds of 'G's', but the brain cannot. Other inter= nal organs, especially the heart and aorta, are subjected to these tremendous forces, and often rupture or tear. To give a graphic example, a 160 pound = man will strain at his seat belt with a weight of 6,400 pounds at a 40'G' deceleration. Now you might understand why so many people die from rupture= d or torn aortas in crashes. There is basically little connective tissue to anc= hor the heart, since it has to palpitate and move during its rhythmic beating.= 'G-Force' Tolerance: Head vs Neck It is believed that the head can withstand 300 'G-forces', which is higher than other body parts. The deceleration of 'G-forces', movement of the hea= d and duration of the incident all determine the amount of injury the head w= ill sustain. It is common to have skull fracture and no brain injury, and brai= n injury and no skull fracture. Helmets are designed to distribute the force= of the impact over a wide surface in order to reduce the amount of 'G-forces' reaching the brain. The force of inertia in a crash can cause brain injury even without an impact to the head, thus a helmet cannot protect against t= his event. Brain tissue and blood vessels can be torn by inertia when the head rotates, common occurrence amplified with helmet use. The weight of the he= ad and helmet pulling at the neck can be sufficient to fracture the skull. Kn= own as basal skull fracture (hangman's noose analogy), these injuries can ofte= n be fatal. According to NARI, the neck is the most often injured body part in their studies. this might account for the fact that the NHTSA regional spokesman said there are more neck injuries without helmets than with, thus leading = him to his erroneous conclusion that helmets might prevent neck injury. Tests using human cadavers found that the neck can tolerate about 42 foot-pounds= of backward whiplash force before injuries began to occur. The muscles in the rear of the neck are stronger than those in the front, thus a forward rota= ting head will allow the neck to withstand about 140 foot-pounds of force. Of course, these are ideal positions, direct forward or backward movement. In= a real crash, the head is bounced in all sorts of directions, and the neck i= s less tolerant of sideways acceleration/deceleration. In these instances, t= he neck can handle about 33 foot-pounds of force. How strong is the unhelmeted head? The amount of force a head can withstan= d depends on several factors, including the location of the impact, the size= of the object striking the head and the density of the individuals bone tissu= e. The frontal bone (forehead) can withstand on average, 1,000 to 1,600 pound= s of force. The temporo-parietal (sides of head) bones can tolerate around 700 = to 1,900 pounds of force. the back of the skull can handle around 1,440 pound= s of force. The bones of the face and cheek are less tolerant, standing forces = of only 280 to 520 pounds. Remember, the brain cannot withstand the same forces the skull can, and ev= en a helmet cannot prevent dangerous forces from reaching the brain or the brai= n moving within the skull cavity. When we said that the forward rotating head can transmit energy loads to t= he neck, and the neck can tolerate about 140 foot-pounds of force? Well, when= the engineers conducted tests on their HANS safety restraint system, they used= a full human form crash test dummy. With the HANS restraint system in place,= the dummy was held in position during a frontal impact collision, resulting in neck loads under 130 foot-pounds. When tested without the restraint system= in place, the dummy's head rotated forward in the simulated 40 mph test collision, and the neck received loads of nearly 1,000 foot-pounds. The du= mmy was helmeted, and I suggest that if the spokesman for NHTSA really believe= s helmets can prevent neck injury, he climb onto the test sled, put on a hel= met and see how his neck handles 1,000 foot-pounds of pressure. Tony Pan Sanfelipo Last updated: April 1998 =A9 Copyright 1998 BOLT All Rights Reserved. Webmaster: quig From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:03:49 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25278 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 191 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:01:49 -0400 Message-ID: <361CF032.AA4D4ABF@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sunday ABATE Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some Guy on a Bike wrote: > The biggest portion of us are gonna wear a helmet > regardless...Regardless of facts one way or the other I don't necessarily think this is true. If by "us" you mean real motorcycle riders, to whom a 100 mile poker run does not necessarily constitute a long trip, and who's bikes accumulate more than a couple hundred miles a year, then maybe you are correct. Even I admit to running around Summit Point on my bike last summer without a helmet. And having a great time. But I was on private land, and cruising at mostly under 15 mph. I can't imagine anybody wanting to take to our interstate highways at high speeds without a lid on. I think there is an alarmingly large number of bike owners who ride mainly for pose value. Hopping from bar to bar, or cruising up and down boulevards in town, wanting to be helmetless to enhance that "being seen" effect. I also think that this group is probably largely populated by the new-to- motorcycles/inexperienced/no license/no MSF course/type of riders who are MOST likely to have accidents. These folks need to wear helmets, and if being forced to wear helmets bugs them so much that they don't ride, great. I think the credibility of motorcycle groups would be greatly enhanced if they instead concentrated on more important issues facing all of us: - the closing of public roads and parks to motorcycles. - the small segment of our group that think loud pipes are cool. - other weenie safety legislation, like air bags and leg protectors. - The NHTSA, EPA and other gov't groups, that would like to legislate away all two-wheeled transportation. Anyway, more fuel for the fire, I suppose. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:27:59 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26586 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04104 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:28:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199810081728.NAA04104@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:27:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 8 Oct 98, at 12:57, BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > Or, why helmets increase the danger! Can we PLEASE not start this whole debate again? Maybe if we're going to argue, we can at least argue about something NEW!?! Anita PS - I'm giving up and switching to digest mode. If anyone would like a prompt reply from me on something, please email me directly. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:33:57 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26657 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3BMHa18750 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:33:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Everyone is quick to take what NTSHA has to say as gospel. There are other studies that have different findings. I strongly support your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that you return the favor if I chose not to. ST The Effect of Motorcycle Helmet Use on the Probability of Fatality and the Severity of Head And Neck Injuries Jonathan P. Goldstein, Ph.D. Department of Economics Bowdoin College Brunswick, Maine 04011 Highlights of Helmet Effectiveness Study Methodology 1. This study employs standard statistical techniques (regression analysis= ) to isolate the main determinants of death and injury severity resulting from motorcycle accidents. 2. The data analyzed in this study were provided by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, U.S. Department of Transportation and originally collected by Hurt et al. (1981), contract No. DOT HS-5-01160. T= hese data are currently recognized as the most accurate and detailed available = on motorcycle accidents (See pp. 11-12). 3. The effectiveness of helmets and other determinants of death and injury severity are estimated from a causal model. Three variants of one causal m= odel are used to isolate the determinants of: (1) the probability of a fatality= ; (2) the severity of head injuries; and (3) the severity of neck injuries. 4. The use of a causal model distinguishes the research methodology of thi= s study from previous studies. The advantage of this approach lies in the ability to estimate the separate effects of several simultaneous and interrelated causes of motorcycle fatalities and injury severity's (pp. 2-= 4). Previous studies simply divide accident victims into a helmeted group and = non- helmeted group. As a result all differences in fatality rates, injury rate= s and injury severity's between groups are erroneously attributed to helmet use. These comparisons fail to consider other differences between helmet users and non-users which influence the probability of death and the sever= ity of injuries. The most plausible hypothesis is that helmeted riders are mor= e risk-averse and thus: (1) have lower pre-crash and thus crash speeds; and = (2) are less likely to combine alcohol consumption and driving. Such behavior= , rather than helmet use per se, may dramatically reduce the probability of fatality or the severity of an injury. Only a causal model that considers crash speed, helmet use, alcohol use and other pertinent variables can iso= late the separate contribution of each determinant of the severity of injury or probability of death. Causal Model (pp. 4-8) 1. The causal model considers three broad categories of the causes of dea= th and injury severity. These include factors governed by the laws of physic= s, physiological factors. And human factors and operator characteristics. 2. The physical factors considered include: the kinetic energy (potential= for bodily damage) transferred to the motorcycle operator by the impact, compressibility of the impacted object, helmet use, and possible engineeri= ng limitations of helmets (as affected by the impact speed that the helmet is subjected to in the crash). 3. The physiological factors considered include: operator's age, blood alcohol level, drug involvement, and permanent physiological impairment. 4. The human factors and operator characteristics considered include: rid= er on-road experience, whether the operator had taken the correct evasive act= ion for the particular accident situation, driver training, and the operator's past accident and violation histories. 5. Numerous other determinants were also considered. Results (pp. 13-18) 1. Helmets are shown to have no statistically significant effect on the probability of a fatality given that a motorcycle accident has occurred. = This means that based on standard statistical tests we cannot reject the claim = that helmets do not affect the probability that a rider will survive a motorcyc= le accident. 2. The major determinants of fatality are the rider's crash speed (kineti= c energy) and blood alcohol level. 3. For the average rider involved in the average accident, it is found th= at the probability of death increases from 2.1% to 11.3% when the rider's blo= od alcohol level increases from 0.0 to 0.1 (from sober to legally intoxicated= in most states). 4. In the same vein, an increase in the crash speed from 40 to 60 mph increases the probability of death from 7.1% to 36.3% 5. It is found that helmets have a statistically significant effect in reducing head injury severity. We can reject the hypothesis that helmets = have no effect on head injuries in favor of the claim that they reduce head injuries. 6. It is shown that past a critical impact velocity to the helmet (approximately 13 mph), helmet use has a statistically significant effect which increases the severity of neck injuries. Thus we reject the claim t= hat, helmets have no effect on neck injuries in favor of the claim that, past a critical impact speed, they exacerbate neck injuries. 7. As a result of (5) and (6), we establish that a tradeoff between head = and neck injuries confronts a potential helmet user. Past a critical impact s= peed to the helmet (13 mph), which is likely to occur in real life accident situations helmet use reduces the severity of head injuries at the expense= of increasing the severity of neck injuries. 8. Further statistical tests reveal the qualitative nature of this tradeo= ff. It is shown that an individual who wears a helmet and experiences an impac= t velocity to the head greater than 13 mph may avoid either severe or minor = head injuries and incur either severe or minor neck injuries; all permutations = of the tradeoff are equally likely to occur. Policy Implications (pp. 18-20) 1. If a major concern of policy makers is the prevention of fatalities, helmet legislation may not be effective in achieving that objective. 2. If the overall cost to society of motorcycle accidents is the issue, t= hen cost-benefit analyses that adequately consider the tradeoff between head a= nd neck injuries must be conducted before the cost effectiveness of helmets c= an be determined. 3. Until the injury tradeoff issue is more carefully studied, it cannot b= e concluded that mandatory helmet use laws are an effective method to eradic= ate the slaughter and maiming, of individuals involved in motorcycle accidents= . 4. A more effective policy approach would be two pronged, including both policies to prevent accidents and policies that effectively reduce the probability of death and the severity of injuries. 5. Policies to prevent accidents include: (1) the education of the general driving public; (2) the education of a younger and more inexperienced population of motorcyclists on the issues of accident avoidance and the pr= oper use and control of high horsepower machines: (3) stricter enforcement of d= runk driving laws; and (4) implementation of alcohol awareness programs. 6. Policies to reduce death and injury severity include: stricter enforce= ment of speed limits. The alcohol related policies suggested in (5) and mandat= ory driver training and education programs which emphasize the proper executio= n of evasive action. =A9 Copyright Jonathan P. Goldstein Ph.D. 1986. All Rights Reserved From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:34:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26660 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27602 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27680 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id NAA24865; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256697.006A825E ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:31:00 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: type3@XXXXXX, aircldvw@XXXXXX, vintagvw@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.0057BB75.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:40:36 -0400 Subject: Auto Painting in Northern VA (non-m/c related) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello all, I think I asked everyone this question before, but only now am I truly ready to have the fastback painted. Anyway, I have a 73 fastback that I've been working on for the past few weeks...the body is fully prepped and ready for a new coat of paint. Basically I'm looking for a place/someone to do the following: - some sort of chemical wash to remove any oil residue (i.e. from greasy hands, etc.) - sanding to allow the new paint to adhere to whats there now (though I've already done all dent/scratch work, etc.) - application of a primer/sealer - application of 2-3 coats of paint - maybe a clear coat Does anyone have any recommendations for auto painting places in the Northern VA area? I'm not completely against going to a Maaco, but the people I talk to there are completely clueless...I mean, they keep quoting me like ranges like $100 to $900 for a pretty basic job, and that I have to bring it in...I know I have to bring it in, but I wont even bother if they don't give me something more specific. I had a superbeetle painted at a Maaco like 4 years ago for $250 (Maaco's Presidential paint job) so I know that prices haven't gone from $250 to $900 in 4 years. I called Craftsman and they said they don't do complete cars. Anyway, anyone know an auto painter? I'm not against having an individual do it either, provided I don't have to do all the leg work like buying the paint, etc. Many thanks in advance! -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:54:27 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27576 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ3ANBVQ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:54:16 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Message-ID: <19981006.103214.2695.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8,10-24 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:54:16 EDT I read all the way through this and found it interesting enough to save for future reference. However, this study says nothing about the protection a helmet affords to one's FACE in an accident. I have personally witnessed the disintegration of my faceshield during a long face-down slide on pavement after being knocked off my bike on the highway. A portion of the shield was ground away completely just inches from my eyes and I saw the whole thing. When I stopped sliding, I was able to reach into my helmet and remove my glasses without raising the remnants of the shield(!). I shudder to think what my face would have looked like after that same slide if I hadn't been wearing a helmet... On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:26 EDT BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: >This is a bit long but worth the time. >ST > > >UNDERSTANDING HEAD >AND NECK TRAUMA > >Or, why helmets increase the danger! > >by Tony Pan Sanfelipo >(January 1998) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 13:54:47 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27586 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27898 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29366 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WZSMa07908 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87329cc9.361cfc3d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:54:05 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as different as each and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes life would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:02:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28010 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28088 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29825 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WWACa08737 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6290a45e.361cfe0b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:01:47 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/8/98 1:47:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: << Everyone is quick to take what NTSHA has to say as gospel. There are other studies that have different findings. I strongly support your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that you return the favor if I chose not to.>> Ive always supported the fact that some people may not wear a helmet when riding. Personally (and no offense intended to helmetless riders), its Darwin's Law at work. Let me pose a question to the helmetless riders here, what if your family asked you to wear a helmet when riding? Would you say "no, its my right not to?" When you go out riding think about your family having to come and identify your body and trying to tell if its you because 90% of your face has been ground off by road. Again I believe you are free to ride as your choose but I always think about the other people affected by my riding. Ive crashed before and I know I wouldn't have been OK without a helmet. I think most helmetless riders are in that "haven't crashed yet" group. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:13:23 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28559 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:13:12 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 08 Oct 1998 14:13:12 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 08 Oct 1998 14:13:12 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 020D2361D00B8001-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 020D2361D00B8001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <020D2361D00B8001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 08 Oct 1998 14:13:12 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "BkrFamily@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Message-Id: <020D2361D00B8001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> The article is interesting and makes some valid points about helmets causing neck injuries on restrained race car drivers. Now with that said, I can also add it has absolutely no relevance to a unrestrained person on a motorcycle. The physics of the two types of impacts are completely different and not directly comparable. The twisting and shearing of the neck referred to by Mr. Sanfelipo are caused as the body stops as a result of the seatbelts, motorcycles do not have seatbelts. G forces generated in motorcycle crashes are largely due to the body striking a solid object and stopping. The more distance it has to stop the lower the forces. The foam crushes slowing the head more slowly, thus lowering the g-forces. That is why helmets save lives. Don B Engineer US DOT and helmeted motorcycle rider. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:14:25 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28569 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RQAFa02341; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53554e61.361cff08@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:06:00 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 I sat in a hearing looking and listening to a guy with one of those head and neck halos on. You know the thing that screws into your head and rest the frame on your shoulders. Anyhow, he told his story of how he crashed and hit his chin on the ground. He had his helmet to show and the marks where on the chin bar. Well, he ended up breaking several vertebrate in his upper neck. His doctor claimed that the helmet saved his life. Long story short, another doctor claimed that if he didn't have a full face helmet on he would have only broken his jaw. Which would have been less life threatening and faster to heal. Just food for thought, there is no correct answer for every situation. I'm glad your hear to tell your story. ST In a message dated 10/8/98 1:54:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << I read all the way through this and found it interesting enough to save for future reference. However, this study says nothing about the protection a helmet affords to one's FACE in an accident. I have personally witnessed the disintegration of my faceshield during a long face-down slide on pavement after being knocked off my bike on the highway. A portion of the shield was ground away completely just inches from my eyes and I saw the whole thing. When I stopped sliding, I was able to reach into my helmet and remove my glasses without raising the remnants of the shield(!). I shudder to think what my face would have looked like after that same slide if I hadn't been wearing a helmet... >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:16:05 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28610 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3QWGa02302; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:15:25 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 "In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then the came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up" -Pastor Martin Meimoeller Will the safety orange vests and air bags be what push you into action? ST In a message dated 10/8/98 2:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as different as each and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes life would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:17:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28621 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28353 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00770 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ3BXTS6; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:16:56 EDT To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Cc: type3@XXXXXX, aircldvw@XXXXXX, vintagvw@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Auto Painting in Northern VA (non-m/c related) Message-ID: <19981006.105506.2695.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <85256697.0057BB75.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:16:56 EDT The best place I've heard of in NoVa to get paint work done is Matchless on Rt 7 on the border between Reston and Sterling. Out of curiosity, a fastback what? --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:17:42 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28630 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19957; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:45 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:03 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44C0@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:16:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In response to the following: Joe Public, non-motorcylist, thinks helmets save lives and keep their health insurance bills down... They see it as a safety issue, not a choice issue, and you're not gonna change their oppinions on that......So why doesn't ABATE and AMA BACK THIS ISSUE and build credibility with the non-motorcycling community so that we can have a more widespread support on ABATE and AMA are trying to back the issue from a safety issue. In general, they are not anti helmet!!! Both organizations as a whole believe that wearing a helmet is a good thing!!!. The problem with the law is that there are no standards for the restrictions (which helmets are legal, which ones aren't, or what constitutes a proper helmet). As the law stands now I could ride my bike with an old WW1 German infantry helmet (you know the one with the spike coming out of the top) and not be given a ticket for riding w/o a helmet). In essence the law just says "thou shalt wear a helmet" with no qualifiers or restrictions. If the law is able to do this without qualifiers and/or statistics (another issue in itself) there is nothing to stop them from piling on more restrictions without any criteria to base their decision. If Joe Q Public, as a whole, decides that leg braces and air bags would save more lives, because to them (non-motorcyclists) more safety equipment is safer, there will be nothing the motorcycling community can do about it (the helmet law will serve as a precedent). In addition, one of the major problems faced by ABATE and AMA is media coverage. I was at last years rally and they detailed the reasons for why they were protesting the helmet law. But, when I saw the coverage on the evening news, it was slanted w/ editorial and emphasis towards the "let those who ride, decide" motorcyclists that are a part of the cause because they don't want to wear a helmet at all. It made everyone involved look like a moron. Whatever happen to reporting the new and letting the public decide??? Jason From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:18:11 1998 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (root@XXXXXX [140.162.1.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28640 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA10609 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981008140011.00a4e4f0@pop.cmr.gov> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:14:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Goldstein report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:33 PM 10/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >Everyone is quick to take what NTSHA has to say as gospel. >There are other studies that have different findings. I strongly support >your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that >you return the favor if I chose not to. >ST > uhh... This is an analysis of causes of death in ALL the crashes, not a scientific comparison between survivability with and without a helmet. AND, your previous document wasn't particularly relevant... it gave only vague statistics, and invalidated itself with the "race car" description, as helmets work the same way... they help prevent injury by absorbing the force incurred during an accident... possibly being destroyed in the process. If you're really worried about neck injuries, wear a brace similar to what pro-linebackers wear. Having bounced my head off the pavement and lived to tell about it, I can say for certain that I'm all for making the choice to wear a helmet. I share your distaste for having the Gov't tell me what I can and can't do, but... in this case, using available safety equipment is, to me anyhow, only common sense. Now, if you think that your not wearing a helmet DOESN'T affect the rest of us, consider this... its altogether likely that, if you have insurance, we all have a certain amount of common interest in your general health and well being as you enjoy your scooter. Do you want your insurance rates to go up because I wrecked my bike, wasn't wearing a helmet, and am henseforth lying in a vegetative state? But, whatever. Darwinism been working for millions of years. Why stop now. -- "Nobody knows anybody. Not that well." Gabriel Byrne as Tom Reagan Miller's Crossing -- Joel and Ethan Coen, 1990. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:22:48 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29026 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FXTVa02082; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:11 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Gun control Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sarah Brady, Chairman of Handgun Control Incorporated. To Senator Howard Metzenbaum. The National Educator, January 1994, Pg. 3 The road to hell is taken one step at a time. ST In a message dated 10/8/98 12:29:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << Where in the constitution does it say that as part of my right to bear arms that I have the right to buy them today??? Not one thing unconstitutional about doing a quick background check (which is all that 's required now...the 5 day waiting period has been dropped) >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:27:09 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29113 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ3CGJ7Y; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:26:04 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Message-ID: <19981006.110415.2695.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <53554e61.361cff08@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-45 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:26:04 EDT Right. There is no correct answer for every situation. I say that second doctor could be right, but I (based on the aforementioned personal experience) disagree. And how does he know? All kinds of freaky things happen in accidents... But thanks for the kind word at the end there. --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:06:00 EDT BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: >I sat in a hearing looking and listening to a guy with one of >those head and neck halos on. You know the thing that screws >into your head and rest the frame on your shoulders. Anyhow, >he told his story of how he crashed and hit his chin on the ground. >He had his helmet to show and the marks where on the chin bar. >Well, he ended up breaking several vertebrate in his upper neck. >His doctor claimed that the helmet saved his life. Long story short, >another doctor claimed that if he didn't have a full face helmet on he > >would have only broken his jaw. Which would have been less life >threatening >and faster to heal. Just food for thought, there is no correct answer >for >every situation. I'm glad your hear to tell your story. >ST > > >In a message dated 10/8/98 1:54:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: > ><< I read all the way through this and found it interesting enough to >save > for future reference. However, this study says nothing about the > protection a helmet affords to one's FACE in an accident. I have > personally witnessed the disintegration of my faceshield during a >long > face-down slide on pavement after being knocked off my bike on the > highway. A portion of the shield was ground away completely just >inches > from my eyes and I saw the whole thing. When I stopped sliding, I was > able to reach into my helmet and remove my glasses without raising >the > remnants of the shield(!). > I shudder to think what my face would have looked like after that >same > slide if I hadn't been wearing a helmet... >> > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:28:26 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29220 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28598 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01459 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA02528 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:27:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pcy231s ([166.41.241.5]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981008182737.LUJX31817@pcy231s> for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:27:37 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Todd Rist" To: Subject: RE: Goldstein report Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:34:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bdf2ea$37c57b40$05f129a6@pcy231s.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <6290a45e.361cfe0b@aol.com> Here, here, let those that want ot ride with out a helmet go ahead. I firmly believe in Darwin's Law, and this is just natures way of removing those individuals from the gene pool. My only stipulation is that when those folks do go down that they don't pull medical support from the public or government. Since they "chose" not to wear a helmet, then I should be able to choose not to have any of my tax dollars go to provide them with any medical attention for head injuries! Thank you, Todd Rist Manager, LS-SM -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [mailto:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Goldstein report In a message dated 10/8/98 1:47:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: << Everyone is quick to take what NTSHA has to say as gospel. There are other studies that have different findings. I strongly support your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that you return the favor if I chose not to.>> Ive always supported the fact that some people may not wear a helmet when riding. Personally (and no offense intended to helmetless riders), its Darwin's Law at work. Let me pose a question to the helmetless riders here, what if your family asked you to wear a helmet when riding? Would you say "no, its my right not to?" When you go out riding think about your family having to come and identify your body and trying to tell if its you because 90% of your face has been ground off by road. Again I believe you are free to ride as your choose but I always think about the other people affected by my riding. Ive crashed before and I know I wouldn't have been OK without a helmet. I think most helmetless riders are in that "haven't crashed yet" group. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:28:53 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29237 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4Q4J1V2Z>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Auto Painting in Northern VA (non-m/c related) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:21:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Unfortunately the guy I used to go to is 50/50 anymore on the quality of work that he does. Sometimes its great or times its not. if you want to give them a call go ahead. Its Lees Auto Body on Huntington Ave right at the intersection of Huntington and Telegraph Rd. As far as Craftsman. Talk to me off-line about how bad their Falls Church location is. You won't believe how bad they are. The manager at the Chantilly location is a nice enough guy and they can actually do some good work. Glenn > I think I asked everyone this question before, but only now am I truly > ready to have the fastback painted. Anyway, I have a 73 fastback that > I've > been working on for the past few weeks...the body is fully prepped and > ready for a new coat of paint. Basically I'm looking for a place/someone > to do the following: > > - some sort of chemical wash to remove any oil residue (i.e. from greasy > hands, etc.) > - sanding to allow the new paint to adhere to whats there now (though I've > already done all dent/scratch work, etc.) > - application of a primer/sealer > - application of 2-3 coats of paint > - maybe a clear coat > > Does anyone have any recommendations for auto painting places in the > Northern VA area? I'm not completely against going to a Maaco, but the > people I talk to there are completely clueless...I mean, they keep quoting > me like ranges like $100 to $900 for a pretty basic job, and that I have > to > bring it in...I know I have to bring it in, but I wont even bother if they > don't give me something more specific. I had a superbeetle painted at a > Maaco like 4 years ago for $250 (Maaco's Presidential paint job) so I know > that prices haven't gone from $250 to $900 in 4 years. I called Craftsman > and they said they don't do complete cars. Anyway, anyone know an auto > painter? I'm not against having an individual do it either, provided I > don't have to do all the leg work like buying the paint, etc. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:30:04 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29301 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:30:02 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3OKJa02328 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13039ff5.361d0437@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:28:07 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 > I strongly support >your decision to wear a helmet if you chose. I merely ask that >you return the favor if I chose not to. I don't think anyone should have to wear a helmet, but I resent it when people try to convince me that helmets don't help, or that helmets make injuries worse! About three years ago I was in a head on collision on my way to work. Luckily for me, the car hit mlower body, and I got to fly over the top of the car and tumble to a stop. This sucked, but it was a lot better than coming to an immediate stop in the windshield of the car. The police estimated that the closing speed was 115 mph (40 for me and 75 for the car, which was on the wrong side of the road). I don't know how fast I was going the first time my head hit the ground. Certainly it was above 13mph, the speed that the Golsctein report says will increase neck injuries. I bet the second time my head hit the ground I was still going more than 13 mph. The third time, maybe not. My expensive helmet was a complete wreck, but I did not lose consciousness, I passed my cat scan with flying colors, and I did not have a neck or spinal cord injury. Does anyone really think I would have been better off without a helmet? I guess the funeral would have been cheaper than the amount I paid to get my leg and foot back in one piece. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:44:00 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00265 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05599; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNSB>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:44:52 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC64C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:44:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain (Sorry Anita and Mark) I'm really glad you brought this one up.... I'll have to go on a serious search, but one of the reports does indeed mention that in chin impacts a very small % of impacts cause serious or fatal neck injuries. However, in that same report of what little crash statistics there are, they reported that direct chin impacts of this sort occurred in less than .45% of reported crashes... I'm sure we could find similar cases where a seatbelt kept a person in the seat and was killed as a result...but those are rare instances. As others have mentioned, your previous post is irrelevant to motorcyclists. I'll be the first to agree with you that a sudden stop (hitting a pole, wall, car) head first is likely to be fatal whether you're wearing a helmet or not. It's all those other crashes where you have a quick impact to the ground then you slide a good long ways. Having ridden for 18 years now, I've hit the ground quite a few times..mostly on the race track, but a couple on the street. Thankfully, each time I had on a good full face helmet. I personally saw the aftermath of a fella that dumped his bike at over 120mph while running from the cops... The poor fella lived...Unfortunately, the left side of his face is completely flat and a featureless scar pit... I love how quickly you're argument has gone from the right to choose (which I find somewhat valid) to the argument that helmets actually harm you (which I laugh at completely) So when did Squeakers come back ?? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX [SMTP:BkrFamily@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:30 PM > To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Facts not emotions > Anyhow, > he told his story of how he crashed and hit his chin on the ground. > He had his helmet to show and the marks where on the chin bar. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:49:53 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00363 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06123; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4NQQSNSC>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC64D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gun control Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:51:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nice quote... I never said I supported Sarah Brady or her and her husband's overall agenda though. I stated that I agree with the bill that was passed. 5 days for a hothead to cool off, 5 days for the sheriff to verify that you're not a fellon that isn't allowed to purchase a gun, etc., 5 days to determine that you're not a mental patient recently released, etc. I fully believe every sound person (other than previously mentioned types) should be allowed to own a gun.....and I encourage people to take advantage of that right and get a gun and learn to use it safely and properly. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:50:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00452 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28996 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24248 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256697.0067475F ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:48:04 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.0066891A.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone really think I would have been better off without a helmet? Apparently Tony Pan Sanfelipo and Jonathan P. Goldstein, Ph.D. think so. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:54:21 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00761 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA17465; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:53:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.arl.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981008185336.LNVZ22777@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:53:36 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:52:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bdf2ec$cf4ee620$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: A couple of requests: 1. Will BkrFamily and others that do not sign, please do so? Please identify yourself and not just sign ST. An ST is what I ride, and it appears (to me at least) as if you are hiding something. This goes for everyone who signs this way, please. 2. I don't have a problem with political or religious discussions. The problem with trying to argue topics within these realms though is that there will ALWAYS be at LEAST two sides. And though I believe it is important to GET THE WORD OUT, this forum is not where to do it. It invariably annoys more people than it enamors. So, can we NOT do it? 3. Please don't post to the list whole articles that exceed the limits of some listers modems. What some may find informative and enlightening, others find annoying. I would advise you suggest you HAVE an article to prove some point, and offer it to those who care privately That's all, Todd ST Wrote: > "In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't > speak up because > I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't > speak because > I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I > didn't speak up > because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the > Catholics, and I > didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then the came for me, > and by that > time no one was left to speak up" > -Pastor Martin Meimoeller > > Will the safety orange vests and air bags be what push you into action? > ST > > In a message dated 10/8/98 2:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > NJitzul@XXXXXX > writes: > > << I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as > different as each > and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes > life > would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" >> > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 14:55:17 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00774 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3PDCa10655; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9dc26b02.361d0a52@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:54:10 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/8/98 2:09:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << Ive always supported the fact that some people may not wear a helmet when riding. Personally (and no offense intended to helmetless riders), its Darwin's Law at work. Let me pose a question to the helmetless riders here, what if your family asked you to wear a helmet when riding? Would you say "no, its my right not to?" When you go out riding think about your family having to come and identify your body and trying to tell if its you because 90% of your face has been ground off by road. Again I believe you are free to ride as your choose but I always think about the other people affected by my riding. Ive crashed before and I know I wouldn't have been OK without a helmet. I think most helmetless riders are in that "haven't crashed yet" group. Jack >> Hi Jack, Since I'm the one stirring the pot here, I should answer you. Thank you for your support and I understand you concerns for the families. However, don't you think that your comments could apply to many activities that people pursue? Both recreational and vocationally. How about the parent who smokes or is over weight? How about the drunk drivers? I'm sure you understand what I mean here. Of course we need to keep the well fair of our families in mind, however, I don't think it's realistic to base all our actions on it. It is up to each of us to determine what is an acceptable risk and then chose to participate or not. Personally, I want my family to remember me as someone who lived life not hid from it. Just for the record, I'm married damn near 19 years, two kids and been riding for about 26 years now (14 of them sober). I have crashed a few times and was always lucky enough to walk away. Interestingly, I was never wearing a helmet during those crashes. I'm sure my riding style has something to do with my crash frequency (cruiser) I give you sport bike riders a big at-a-boy. You got bigger balls then me, those things are ballistic missiles now days. I won't harp on this stuff much longer, the ride is on Sunday. And if you recall, I wasn't even the one who brought it up in the first place. Someone else mentioned the ABATE ride on Sunday and that got it all started. There is a time and place for everything and with the ride on Sunday this seems like the time. I'm living and having fun doing it, I wish all on the list the same. Peace, ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:04:25 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01257 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, "'bike.dealer@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain And, as we're finding out with the tobacco lawsuits, medical and scientific opinions can vary based on who's paying for the research. Now, I don't want to start a tobacco thread here, but that's what has recently come to mind. As a former newspaper reporter, I covered many courtroom proceedings where some sort of accidental death has led to a lawsuit. It never ceased to amaze me how doctors, scientists, whomever the "experts" happened to me could look at the same evidence and come up with totally different conclusions. Of course, the attorneys always made sure the juries knew who was paying those "experts." There are extremes on both sides of every issue; those extremes are what people hear. The real truth is somewhere in-between. That's it; I'm done. > ---------- > From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX[SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:26 PM > To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Facts not emotions > > Right. There is no correct answer for every situation. I say that second > doctor could be right, but I (based on the aforementioned personal > experience) disagree. And how does he know? All kinds of freaky things > happen in accidents... But thanks for the kind word at the end there. > > --Bikes R Us-- > So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) > > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:06:00 EDT BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: > >I sat in a hearing looking and listening to a guy with one of > >those head and neck halos on. You know the thing that screws > >into your head and rest the frame on your shoulders. Anyhow, > >he told his story of how he crashed and hit his chin on the ground. > >He had his helmet to show and the marks where on the chin bar. > >Well, he ended up breaking several vertebrate in his upper neck. > >His doctor claimed that the helmet saved his life. Long story short, > >another doctor claimed that if he didn't have a full face helmet on he > > > >would have only broken his jaw. Which would have been less life > >threatening > >and faster to heal. Just food for thought, there is no correct answer > >for > >every situation. I'm glad your hear to tell your story. > >ST > > > > > >In a message dated 10/8/98 1:54:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: > > > ><< I read all the way through this and found it interesting enough to > >save > > for future reference. However, this study says nothing about the > > protection a helmet affords to one's FACE in an accident. I have > > personally witnessed the disintegration of my faceshield during a > >long > > face-down slide on pavement after being knocked off my bike on the > > highway. A portion of the shield was ground away completely just > >inches > > from my eyes and I saw the whole thing. When I stopped sliding, I was > > able to reach into my helmet and remove my glasses without raising > >the > > remnants of the shield(!). > > I shudder to think what my face would have looked like after that > >same > > slide if I hadn't been wearing a helmet... >> > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:13:02 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01488 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29382 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03776 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:57 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WEDSa02316 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7738d63c.361d0e91@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:12:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Can we please get back to bikes? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Enough with the political junk. Thanks...um K? Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:18:19 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01829 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WZMRa08736; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <324bbd12.361d0f39@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:15:05 EDT To: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Goldstein report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/8/98 2:38:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Todd.Rist@XXXXXX writes: << Since they "chose" not to wear a helmet, then I should be able to choose not to have any of my tax dollars go to provide them with any medical attention for head injuries! >> Should we let the fat police lose now? Over weight people die and are a much bigger drain on your tax dollar then riders. Smokers? Drinkers? Basketball players? Did you know they use more medical dollars then we ever will? Pedestrians? Geesss..... The numbers on them is mind boggling! Just more food for thought. ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:18:39 1998 Return-Path: merscht@XXXXXX Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01839 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <435D3J71>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:17:42 -0400 Message-ID: <5F21F6A15446D211B0730020484016A33C4F67@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Goldstein Report; Gun Control; Facts not Emotions; Yadayadayada p iffle Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:23:18 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Everyone with Microsoft Outlook 98 -- note that if you right click on an open message, you are given the opportunity to prevent "Junk E-Mail" ........ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:19:40 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01849 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FRLFa03785; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:19:03 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gun control Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/8/98 2:49:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << Nice quote... I never said I supported Sarah Brady or her and her husband's overall agenda though. I stated that I agree with the bill that was passed. 5 days for a hothead to cool off, 5 days for the sheriff to verify that you're not a fellon that isn't allowed to purchase a gun, etc., 5 days to determine that you're not a mental patient recently released, etc. I fully believe every sound person (other than previously mentioned types) should be allowed to own a gun.....and I encourage people to take advantage of that right and get a gun and learn to use it safely and properly. >> No argument here. I'm done. ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:20:22 1998 Return-Path: kslawson@XXXXXX Received: from GKCATL01-ext.kilcody.com ([155.229.115.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01926 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810081920.PAA01926@meretrix.com> Received: from XKCATL03 by GKCATL01-ext.kilcody.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 19:20:17 UT Received: by XKCATL03 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:20:16 -0400 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Parking Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:20:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone posted a message the other day about not being permitted to park at a PMI garage (sorry, I can't seem to find the original = message). I suggest that you go to the management office on DeSales street and speak with someone directly. I received conflicting answers over the phone from PMI employees in response to my questions about obtaining a monthly parking permit for my bike. It wasn't until I actually went to their offices that I was able to purchase a monthly motorcycle-only permit, for which I pay 1/2 the regular monthly rate. One more thing: Congress amended =A7132(f)(4) of the Internal = Revenue Code as part of the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 to allow employers to set up salary reduction arrangements for employee parking. It works like a 401(k) plan---your pay is reduced to cover the amount of your monthly parking fee, which your employer forwards to the parking management company). In other words, it's possible to pay for parking on a pre-tax basis. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:36:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02781 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29746 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04528 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256697.006B833F ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:34:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Todd Peer" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256697.0068CCFB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:34:14 -0400 Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline others that do not sign, please do so? Please identify yourself Excellent observation Todd. I don't think that's too much to expect from other listers. After all if you believe in something and you take the time to put it in writing, you should be willing to sign your name to it. In my best Mike Ditka voice "It's easy to hide behind a keyboard son." 8-) Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:46:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02972 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29829 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04749 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA13579 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: helmets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd probably take a chance and put in my 2 cents worth about the endless arguing on topics that will never be decided in such a manner but I've been on DC Cycles long enough to realize that there are a lot of folks here who live for just that activity. Helmets are a personal decision like many of the others discussed here. I won't ride without one because I wouldn't be alive if I hadn't been wearing mine a couple of years ago when I totalled my BMW K75. If someone else wants to take that risk with themselves, that's fine. If they want to take that risk with their kids on the back, similarly helmetless, I have a problem. Such situations are what inspire these laws, irritating as they may be. We could do with a little more courtesy and respect for the opinions and beliefs of others here. We're all on two wheels, that's what counts. Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 15:53:43 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03372 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:53:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3LSWa22760 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:53:00 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Signing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 My name is Joe Spears. Does it really change anything? You guys all have a good day, I truly mean that. Ride Free! ST From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 16:47:56 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05790 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA15915; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:49:39 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015720; Thu, 8 Oct 98 16:48:41 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0J00BJI0EDO7@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256697.0071D8F8 ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:43:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:36:08 -0400 Subject: Re: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride To: Jason Picton Cc: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <85256697.0071224D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You sure about this? Most ABATErs I meet are *real* quick to throw stat at you about how helmets snap your neck in a get-off. In fact, we have seen it posted here by "some unknown guy who rides a bike and has a family". (Personal note ... please introduce yourself to the list if you wish to be taken seriously) For the record, I support the right to choose to ride w/out a helmet, AND I disagree with helmet laws ... but trying to tell me that a helmet will cause me to die in an accident I would have survived if I had been riding lidless is LUDICROUS. If you take a blow to the noggin that is enough to snap your neck, I believe it would crack a lidless head wide open. --chris To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: Jason Picton Date: 10/08/98 06:16:57 PM GMT Subject: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride --snip-- ABATE and AMA are trying to back the issue from a safety issue. In general, they are not anti helmet!!! Both organizations as a whole believe that wearing a helmet is a good thing!!!. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 16:52:39 1998 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06170 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:52:17 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA16753; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:51:31 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016642; Thu, 8 Oct 98 16:50:47 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0J00D8R0I10M@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256697.00720E08 ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:45:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:38:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256697.0071448D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Um ... I can't believe you are comparing the holocaust to helmet laws. Never mind introducing yourself to the list, you won't be taken seriously after that comment anyway. Do you actually think that line of reasoning would be effective to our legislators? --chris To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Date: 10/08/98 06:15:25 PM GMT Subject: Re: Facts not emotions "In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then the came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up" -Pastor Martin Meimoeller Will the safety orange vests and air bags be what push you into action? ST In a message dated 10/8/98 2:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as different as each and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes life would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:04:32 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06685 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01106 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07586 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA02062; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:03:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(206.217.114.231) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001939; Thu Oct 8 16:02:54 1998 Message-ID: <361D2820.CF797AFA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:01:20 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was just there last week, had a Polaris, A couple of Guzzis, and a bunch of used bikes, but no Urals...at Winchester Indian . The dealer is at Exit 321 off of Rt 81 just north of Winchester., Also just off Rt.11 Just N of Summit Point rd......... Carver, John wrote: > is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. > I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to > take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:17:26 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07204 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 251 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:16:29 -0400 Message-ID: <361D2BE1.995C5D@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:17:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guess I better forward this to the list before Todd yells at me, too. :) Since we are all coming clean: ST (short for Steel Trap) asked me: > So what's up with your name? Kind of silly actually. I was in Track and Field in high school. A thrower, shot-put and discus. (I was not and never will be a runner.) Lifted weights, got pretty big, strong as an ox, walked onto the football team and started on the O-Line, medalled in the shot-put at the State Track meet my senior year, etc. etc. Big man in school now. About that time, Terry "Hulk" Hogan, the "Incredible Hulkster", ThunderLips from the Rocky III movie, was big in pro wrestling (still is, I guess). Also, about that time, the McKenzie Brothers had a hilarious movie out called "Strange Brew". Any movie about beer is gonna be big in High School. Anyway, one of the classic lines in the movie comes after the brothers take off their clothes in the beer factory for a quick swim in a beer vat. When their clothes come up missing, one of 'em yells "Hey, somebody horked our clothes!" Anyway, with the resemblance to my last name, I was known as the incredible "Horkster" ever since. :) Well, it's better than some of the other nick-names I've had. I'm not going there. Don't ask. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:39:56 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08051 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6WRNa03785; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33148087.361d30e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:38:46 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, leerider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/8/98 11:05:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the >Constitution, so the standard is set. >> What do blow jobs have to do with the Constitution. Now engaging in the transfer of arms to help prosecute wars without Congressional approval is covered by the Constitution but if you are an older President and right-wing you can say you didn't remember and it all goes away and the blame is placed on a Colonel. Are you really this Republican crap? Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:46:47 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08448 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:46:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id XHDMa29185; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e4926d8.361d32a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:46:08 EDT To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/8/98 2:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: << That is why helmets save lives. Don B Engineer US DOT and helmeted motorcycle rider. >> Thanks, I just cannot believe that there are people who actually believe that it is not safer to ride with a helmet. Go figure. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:48:09 1998 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08461 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr52-dialup60.mix2.Boston.cw.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0F0J003NE36UVR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:47:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:43:28 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: Boiade@XXXXXX, BLaSalle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, brad.faas@XXXXXX Message-id: <00ee01bdf31d$d5d74ce0$fc4f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Geez guys and gals, I haven't seen anything come up except for the Harley ride. It sounds interesting, but doesn't seem to be the "pace" that I was looking for. Well, it's Thurs. night and I'll only be able to check my e-mail Fri. after work and Sat. night, when I get back. If nothing else comes up, I guess I can do the Harley ride. Let's see what happens....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 17:58:05 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08956 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EPYPa19215; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44a50abf.361d3528@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:56:56 EDT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, BLaSalle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, brad.faas@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Ok Jon, Dale (TLS) wanted to ride Sunday too so did Yellow Nighthawk. If nobody will choose a meeting place, how about the Borders in Bowie on 301 just North of the 197/301 junction, I think you are closer to Bowie. We can meet at 9:30 have a cappucino and discuss a route and leave at 10. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:22:52 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09793 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02047 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10010 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:20:05 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01bdf30a$241943e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000701bdf2da$24754760$8df229a6@todd.arl.mcit.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Todd, No longer at Winchester. Guy got pretty po'ed at them for that EPA fiasco (and a few others that slip my mine now). But, he is carrying Velorex sidecars now... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:24:11 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09811 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:21:21 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:23:48 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01bdf30a$51923200$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal So, uhh, who is this guy, and why should I care what he has to say? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > by Tony Pan Sanfelipo > (January 1998) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:27:21 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09888 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02086 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10090 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:24:34 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Ken Shephard" , "Carver, John" Cc: Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:26:59 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01bdf30a$c399c8e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361D2820.CF797AFA@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal They finally got the Polaris in!? Might be time for a ride this weekend... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Shephard [mailto:shephar1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:01 PM > To: Carver, John > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > Was just there last week, had a Polaris, A couple of Guzzis, and a bunch > of used bikes, but no Urals...at Winchester Indian . The dealer is at > Exit 321 off of Rt 81 just north of Winchester., Also just off Rt.11 Just > N of Summit Point rd......... > > Carver, John wrote: > > > is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. > > I've seen the HD dealership on RT. 50 but that's it. I'd love to > > take one for a test ride but owning one would probably be a challenge > > -- > HDKnight > Ride Safe > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood WV > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:28:41 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10041 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:25:58 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:28:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bdf30a$f62e64a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <361D2BE1.995C5D@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Hey, Hoser, take off. Great movie (provided there is a partially finished case by your side and a kicked one by the time the movie is over.) Did you know that if you find a mouse in your beer bottle, you can get a free case? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:17 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname > > > Guess I better forward this to the list before Todd yells > at me, too. :) Since we are all coming clean: > > ST (short for Steel Trap) asked me: > > > So what's up with your name? > > Kind of silly actually. I was in Track and Field in high school. > A thrower, shot-put and discus. (I was not and never will be a > runner.) Lifted weights, got pretty big, strong as an ox, walked > onto the football team and started on the O-Line, medalled in the > shot-put at the State Track meet my senior year, etc. etc. Big man > in school now. About that time, Terry "Hulk" Hogan, the > "Incredible Hulkster", ThunderLips from the Rocky III movie, was big in > pro wrestling (still is, I guess). Also, about that time, the McKenzie > Brothers had a hilarious movie out called "Strange Brew". > Any movie about beer is gonna be big in High School. Anyway, one > of the classic lines in the movie comes after the brothers take > off their clothes in the beer factory for a quick swim in a beer vat. > When their clothes come up missing, one of 'em yells "Hey, somebody > horked our clothes!" > > Anyway, with the resemblance to my last name, I was > known as the incredible "Horkster" ever since. :) > > Well, it's better than some of the other nick-names I've had. > I'm not going there. Don't ask. :) > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's > horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 18:38:12 1998 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10371 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash50.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA26320; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:38:20 -0400 Received: by WASH50 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:37:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5352EB03740BD211848D080009DBA82D44C1@WASH50> From: Jason Picton To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:37:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I am not PRO helmet or NO helmet orientated. In a perfect world we could all choose whether or not to wear a helmet, but most states have a helmet law and we all have to deal with it in order to ridge legally. My issue with the helmet law is a legal one - if we (I) have to deal with a restrictive law making helmet use mandatory, then lets have it based on something real. If a law is based upon public perception rather than actual data/evidence, then there is nothing to prevent even more restrictive laws. It puts us all (motorcyclists in general) at the mercy of public opinion. If we keep going down this road were all going to wind up with unnecessary rules and regs. Jason Picton 1996 Suzuki Savage LS650 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 4:36 PM To: Jason Picton Cc: 'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride You sure about this? Most ABATErs I meet are *real* quick to throw stat at you about how helmets snap your neck in a get-off. In fact, we have seen it posted here by "some unknown guy who rides a bike and has a family". (Personal note ... please introduce yourself to the list if you wish to be taken seriously) For the record, I support the right to choose to ride w/out a helmet, AND I disagree with helmet laws ... but trying to tell me that a helmet will cause me to die in an accident I would have survived if I had been riding lidless is LUDICROUS. If you take a blow to the noggin that is enough to snap your neck, I believe it would crack a lidless head wide open. --chris To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: Jason Picton Date: 10/08/98 06:16:57 PM GMT Subject: ABATE, AMA, Laws, and Meida Coverage - formerly Sunday Abate Ride --snip-- ABATE and AMA are trying to back the issue from a safety issue. In general, they are not anti helmet!!! Both organizations as a whole believe that wearing a helmet is a good thing!!!. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 19:41:03 1998 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12981 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA17856; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(206.217.114.231) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017822; Thu Oct 8 18:39:53 1998 Message-ID: <361D4CEC.6DE97745@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:38:20 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) References: <004e01bdf30a$c399c8e0$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, they finally got the Polaris Victory in about three weeks ago, Big bike, looks clumsy but was surprisingly well balanced. Not top heavy, although it looks that way to me at first glance, Looking forward to a test ride some day. ;) The bars would have to go, unless I was hanging laundry from my arms but otherwise, not bad at all. George Howell wrote: > They finally got the Polaris in!? > > Might be time for a ride this weekend... > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 22:01:02 1998 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18376 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 9 Oct 1998 02:00:39 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24350 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions In-Reply-To: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > This is a bit long but worth the time.=20 > ST No its not. Its utter BS propaganda. > UNDERSTANDING HEAD > AND NECK TRAUMA >=20 > Or, why helmets increase the danger! Or, "We're peddling something so we're gonna take official sounding language and tell you there is broccoli in your socks and you will believe us" > by Tony Pan Sanfelipo > (January 1998) Editor's note: I have no doubt that Tony would be an excellent fiction writer, as that is what we have here- a beautiful work of fiction. > HEAD AND NECK TRAUMA Part 1. By richard bachman. It was a dark and stormy night.. >=20 >=20 > Trauma is a type of injury which effects the body by external force being > applied in a violent and sudden manner. When dealing with motorcycle > accidents, it's important to understand the types of forces which a rider= is > subjected to, the body parts affected by these forces, and how the body r= eacts > to certain inertia or 'g-forces'.=20 As in G, who wrote this crap? > It has been suggested by NHTSA that helmets might prevent neck injury. Th= is > was prompted by testimony before the Tennessee Transportation Committee w= hen I > stated that helmets could cause cervical spine injury due to their weight= =2E In > order to rebut these remarks, a regional spokesman for NHTSA testified th= at > more people receive neck injury without a helmet than those wearing helme= ts. > Therefore, he concluded, without any foundation or authorities, that helm= ets > might prevent neck injury. This of course is utter nonsense.=20 Ah yes. How foolish of us to think such a simpletonic and moronic thought. Something to absorb the impact your head might experience? Bah .. who's the retard who thought that up? Helmets aren't meant to protect your neck. Theyre meant to protect your head. > First, let's define the different types of trauma.=20 > 1. Penetrating trauma=20 "She said she was 18, officer" > 2. Blunt trauma=20 "You have *WHAT* living down there?" > 3. Acceleration/deceleration trauma=20 "Now you got me all wound up and dont want to do anything? Fine." (This is commonly experienced in married men) =20 > Penetrating trauma is an object entering the body or head due to an objec= t > striking the body, or the body being placed in motion and striking an obj= ect > which then penetrates the body.=20 "Hey babe.. Im feeling frisky tonight.. want to have some wild, kinky pepetrating trauma?" > Blunt trauma occurs when an object strikes the body or head with force ca= using > a compression of body tissues which results in injury.=20 "You mean your mother in law is on the *WAY*? ARRRGH" > Acceleration/deceleration trauma occurs when the body is moving and strik= es > another moving or stationary object. This results in a change of motion f= or > the body, or a complete stop of motion, which causes stretching and teari= ng of > body tissues.=20 "You have a headache, huh?" =20 > When considering the way the FMVSS 218 standard tests helmets, it's clear= that > these tests in no way simulate an actual crash situation. The headform in= the > helmet has no neck or neck sensors and the helmet is stationary with a we= ight > dropped on it (compression) from an elevation.=20 This may actually be a valid point. I would like to see how helmets are tested, and how one gets a "dot approval" or "Snell" approval. Consider this the one redeeming paragraph in a sea of bullshit. Put on your hip waders boys and girls, cuz we're going in after this. =20 > To properly simulate a crash, a full form human crash test dummy should b= e > used (or perhaps the regional spokesman for NHTSA), whereby the dummy is > moving at a certain speed and then comes to an abrupt halt or strikes a > stationary object (acceleration/deceleration). Or just run some punk motorcyclist off the road. That works too. > 'G-Forces' "Gee, how do they GET this shit?"=20 > 'G-forces' are what determines the extent of injury to the head or neck i= n > many motorcycle accidents. When a body is stopped (due to crashing into a > stationary object) or is hurled into space with a three pound helmet flex= ing > the neck, the force of gravity causes the body to weigh many times its ac= tual > weight. For example, a male human head, without helmet, weighs about 10 > pounds. If subjected to 10 'G's', that head briefly weighs about 100 poun= ds, > passing that stress and load onto the neck. Consider adding a 3 pound hel= met, > and you begin to appreciate the forces your neck has to contend with.=20 If I sprain my neck, but save my skull from cracking open, I consider that to be a reasonable trade. Maybe I'm just weird that way but I'd rather lie in bed in pain, than in a casket free from any such earthly worries. =20 > Going a little further, using a full form human dummy, developers of the = Head > and Neck Support (HANS) device found that the head briefly experiences 25 > 'G's' and weighs about 250 pounds in a 35 mile-per-hour impact. With thos= e > forces in play, the delicate human brain bounces around in side the skull > (coup/contrecoup) with a force equal to weighing 75 pounds. A normal brai= n > weighs about 3 pounds. Combined with this is the fact that the rotation o= f the > head and neck during one of these crashes causes severe tearing and stret= ching > of the tissues of the brain and brain stem. No helmet can prevent this > collision of the brain within the skull.=20 In keeping with the naming convention, I am calling this document "BRUNO" - Bullshit, Retarded, Useless, Nogood Orating. Yes, no helmet can stop the brain from colliding with a skull. But it can stop your skull colliding with the bumper of a car, it can stop your skull colliding with a concrete barrier at 30 mph, it can stop your skull colliding with a ditch as you fall backwards into it. Im sorry, but I want to know how many people get in crashes where they die of their brain colliding into their skull, that would have LIVED if they had NOT worn a helmet? I dont believe there's a 1. If you hit your head *THAT* hard, you are seriously fucked. [snip] > half-truth, manipulated statement by pro-helmet forces. the truth is race= cars Fight the nazis! THe pro helmet forces! CURSE THEIR BLACK HEARTS! Fear. I'm a pro helmet force. I' think I'll wear a giant P on my chest, live in a basement, and come out only to infringe on people's personal liberties. [snip] > backwards at 45 degrees and a six-point safety harness system. The weak l= ink > in this equation, again, is the neck.=20 Again, they talk about the neck. This sounds like a paper written to discredit helmets, and have everyone use "HANS" to support their neck. =20 > The neck was listed on 31.5 percent of incident reports in races. Okay, how many of them fatal? > Car Club of America (SCCA) performed some analyses on their races and fou= nd 17 > percent of the injuries sustained were neck injuries. This led to the > development of the HANS device, which supports the head and neck, helping > prevent whiplash and rotational injuries. This device was developed by > Biomechanical Design Inc., of East Lansing, Michigan. The importance of t= his > type of device becomes very evident when one considers that according to = one > of the nations largest insurers of motorsports events, North American Rac= ing > Insurance (NARI), 93 percent of all driver injuries were caused by direct > blows or sudden, twisting, deceleration forces applied to the body.=20 "You're PREGNANT?" *THUD* =20 > The mere fact that a racer is wearing a helmet has little or no impact on= his > survivability without the other safety engineering factors in place. No shit. If the steering wheel goes through your chest and crushes your heart, it wont matter if your head is intact or not. This is quite the acute observation here.. but what else can we expect of BRUNO? [snip]=20 > The problem with motorcycle design is we don't have the safety cockpit th= at > would afford us the room and time for a disintegrating chassis to take up= the > 'G-forces' for us. Us? We? No one this fucking stupid rides a motorcycle. No one who has ever watched an unhelmeted rider die because his skull is shattered has ever thought like this. Tell ya a little story. Buddy of mine, paramedic, relayed it to me. This is also why he quit riding. He was working graveyard shift one night, and they got a call about a motorcyclist down. They went out there, and there was a guy on the road, a pickup truck a few hundred feet down the road. It was hard to tell what happened because there was no impact - other than the guy dropping his bike. They figured out that a hydraulic jack had fallen out of the bed of the pickup, and the rider had plowed into it. He somersaulted over his handlebars, and he did not have his helmet fastened. When they got there, the man was awake and alert. His helmet had rideden up, and he hit the back of his head. He was bleeding, but was conscious and coherent. John put his hand under the back of the guy's head to support it (John =3D the EMT) and his neck. They talked for about a minute, Joh reassured the guy that he would be okay, and then the guy just died. John removed his hand, and found a nice chunk of brain in it. Apparently, the guy had crushed the back of his skull completely, and his brain was more or less hanging out. A helmet would have saved him. I dont give a shit what this piece of crap report says. > And we don't have anything padded in front of us to reduce > the loads reaching our neck, such as a break away steering wheel or padde= d > dash panel. To say race car drivers walk away from crashes because they w= ear > helmets is absurd. Who says this kind of crap? We know they walk away because THEYRE IN A CAR. > Several Indy car racers recently died of closed skull > trauma to the brain, due to the exact twisting and tearing actions we sai= d > were caused by acceleration/deceleration, which helmets cannot protect > against. Yet we don't hear NHTSA explain or comment about these cases.=20 Like I said. If you hit something *that* hard that your brain crashes against your skull and cannot recover, you are seriously screwed to begin with. =20 > According to SCCA data, the neck is the most often injured body part (31.= 5 > percent), followed by the back (19.5 percent), and then the head (15.8 > percent). And I bet that neck injuries account for maybe 20% of fatalities, back maybe 10%, and 70% to the head. So clearly, what do we need to protect? No, I dont have any figures on this. Broken back, neck, skull will all kill you. But I'd feel very confident in saying that the broken skull is the most common. > Severe centrifugal forces exert tremendous shearing pressures on the > brain. This causes the brain to impact on the inside of the skull, or tea= r at > the medulla at the brain stem. Developers of the HANS used crash test dum= mies > in their testing procedures and found the head can briefly encounter 25 '= G's', > amounting to about 250 pounds, in a 35 mph impact. Gravitational forces a= re > dependent on speed, and a doubling of speed quadruples the 'G-forces'.=20 HANS again. Theyre peddling this crap. And we're supposed to take this sales pitch as gospel to not wear helmets? Okkkkay. =20 > To determine the number of 'G-forces' in a collision, the formula is:=20 > G's=3D.0333X(M.P.H. X M.P.H.) =97 Distance. In other words, multiply the = square of > the vehicle's speed, in mph, times .0333 and divide it by the stopping > distance in feet. Notice how they omit the "divide by feet" in the formula. > This is for a direct, head on collision, and the formula is > more complex in angular collisions due to the fact that the kinetic energ= y is > expanded over a longer period of time, resulting in lower 'G-forces'. Ooh. Complex. We're all retards, so its a good thing they didn't give us this "complicated" formula.. Imight have blown a capillary trying to figure it out. =20 > Collision, collision, collision Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. =20 > There are actually three collisions occurring in a crash:=20 > 1. Vehicle vs whatever it contacts with=20 > 2. body vs whatever it contacts with=20 > 3. body tissues and organs vs body tissues and organs=20 4. Reality with this piece of fiction. And amazingly, this part is true as well. He is simply stating the obvious. But it is true. [snip]=20 > forces, and often rupture or tear. To give a graphic example, a 160 pound= man > will strain at his seat belt with a weight of 6,400 pounds at a 40'G' > deceleration. Now you might understand why so many people die from ruptur= ed or > torn aortas in crashes. There is basically little connective tissue to an= chor > the heart, since it has to palpitate and move during its rhythmic beating= =2E=20 >=20 Seat belts suck too. See, they're killers. Its too bad you're like 10 times as likely to die without one.. but.. its all propaganda by the pro-helmet media. =20 > =20 > 'G-Force' Tolerance: Head vs Neck BS-Tolerance: Reading this shit. =20 > It is believed that the head can withstand 300 'G-forces', which is highe= r > than other body parts. The deceleration of 'G-forces', movement of the he= ad > and duration of the incident all determine the amount of injury the head = will > sustain. It is common to have skull fracture and no brain injury, and bra= in > injury and no skull fracture. Helmets are designed to distribute the forc= e of > the impact over a wide surface in order to reduce the amount of 'G-forces= ' > reaching the brain. Really? Thats all theyre supposed to do, huh? What about blunt object trauma into your skull? > The force of inertia in a crash can cause brain injury > even without an impact to the head, thus a helmet cannot protect against = this > event. Okay, apparently this point seems lost to him: Guess what? WHen you plow into a wall at 100 mph, YOU WILL DIE. Hans or no hans. Helmet or no helmet. Car or no car. > Brain tissue and blood vessels can be torn by inertia when the head > rotates, common occurrence amplified with helmet use. The weight of the h= ead > and helmet pulling at the neck can be sufficient to fracture the skull. K= nown > as basal skull fracture (hangman's noose analogy), these injuries can oft= en be > fatal.=20 And if they hadn't been wearing a helmet, they would have been just peachy? =20 > According to NARI, the neck is the most often injured body part in their > studies. this might account for the fact that the NHTSA regional spokesma= n > said there are more neck injuries without helmets than with, thus leading= him > to his erroneous conclusion that helmets might prevent neck injury. Helmets are meant to prevent head injury. Actually, iif I quote from above, "Helmets are designed to spread the impact around the head so that less G-forces reach the brain." Nice waffle. [snip] > How strong is the unhelmeted head? The amount of force a head can withsta= nd > depends on several factors, including the location of the impact, the siz= e of > the object striking the head and the density of the individuals bone tiss= ue. > The frontal bone (forehead) can withstand on average, 1,000 to 1,600 poun= ds of > force. The temporo-parietal (sides of head) bones can tolerate around 700= to > 1,900 pounds of force. the back of the skull can handle around 1,440 poun= ds of > force. The bones of the face and cheek are less tolerant, standing forces= of > only 280 to 520 pounds.=20 [snip]=20 > When we said that the forward rotating head can transmit energy loads to = the > neck, and the neck can tolerate about 140 foot-pounds of force? Well, whe= n the > engineers conducted tests on their HANS safety restraint system, they use= d a > full human form crash test dummy. With the HANS restraint system in place= , the > dummy was held in position during a frontal impact collision, resulting i= n > neck loads under 130 foot-pounds. When tested without the restraint syste= m in > place, the dummy's head rotated forward in the simulated 40 mph test > collision, and the neck received loads of nearly 1,000 foot-pounds. The d= ummy > was helmeted, and I suggest that if the spokesman for NHTSA really believ= es > helmets can prevent neck injury, he climb onto the test sled, put on a he= lmet > and see how his neck handles 1,000 foot-pounds of pressure.=20 > Tony Pan Sanfelipo >=20 HELMETS AREN'T MADE TO PROTECT YOUR NECK THEYRE MEANT TO SAVE YOUR SKULL=20 > Last updated: April 1998 BC? Or are we supposed to believe this was AD? > =A9 Copyright 1998 BOLT All Rights Reserved. > Webmaster: quig Boy, am I glad I dont hold this copyright.=20 Despite this piece of fiction, I will continue to wear my helmet every time I ride for the rest of my life. I have been dumped twice in my motorcycling career, and one time the helmet protected my face (I slid forward on what WOULD have been my face had I not been wearing a full face helmet) and saved me horrible abrasions and scrapes - and the other time, the back of my helmet took some nice scrapes that would have otherwise gone to the back of my skull. Nothing like bleeding from your head after a wreck, let me tell ya. I cant believe anyone actually took the time to write something like this, or that it was posted to our list. Please, dont insult ourr intelligence. Dont post stuff like this. Alex. '94 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 22:08:41 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18743 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 (cust027.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.27]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02708 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: <361D6FEC.55EC4DDC@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:07:40 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad Presidents (was ABATE ride) non-m/c X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <85256697.0045BD55.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree. They tried to accuse both George Bush and Nancy Reagan of marital infidelity, very few believed it. I would also note that neither Barbara Bush nor Ronald Reagan were even the subject of rumors about that. For that matter neither were Bob and Elizabeth Dole the subject of such accusations. Dan Quayle was also questioned about this, but his passion is for golf. Face it, our President is totally without honor. In public he will say and do whatever he thinks is best for his career. In private he will say and do whatever he damn well pleases. His private words/deeds have no corelation whatsoever with his public words/deeds. Leon. Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >...if Barbara Bush > ran for president they'd probably say she worked in a brothel :-O sad > state of affairs, eh? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 8 22:30:56 1998 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19612 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kbah04 (cust027.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.27]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03279 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:31:24 -0400 Message-ID: <361D752E.D875C947@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:30:06 +0000 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199810081728.NAA04104@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But I like this argument, and I still don't understand why some folks want to make me do things that don't affect them. Leon. Anita Lauro wrote: > > Maybe if we're going to argue, we can at least argue about > something NEW!?! From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 00:18:23 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23904 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06699 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17344 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WSMIa17800; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93ee266f.361d8e68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:17:44 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Grow up.... was Re: Facts not emotions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 The arguments about helmet laws are like "closing the barn door after the horses run out." It's a done deal. The voting public will never repeal them. It's that simple. If you feel that much against them, move somewhere else where there aren't any helmet laws. Otherwise live with it, the emphasis being on LIVING. Another topic that's been beaten like a dead horse. Harleys versus everythig else/ my bike is better. Who cares? Like I've been saying, we all have different preferences. I like Hondas, someone else might like Harleys, or BMWs, or Ducatis, are whatever else! Heck, if someone builds their own bike from scratch, I'm not gonna insult them because it isn't the same bike that I ride!! And frankly, I don't want to ride the same bike as everyone else! I like variety. I like to be able to stop and look at all the different bikes on a group ride. I like to compare engineering concepts and traditions of manufacturing, etc. But most of all, I like to ride. And when it comes down to it, that's why I have a motorcycle. Some people may have their bikes for show, others for convenience, others still for efficiency or whatever else. The fact is that it's a bike, and they do ride. As soon as we agree to disagree and start acting like a community rather than individual groups, then motorcyclists can have a voice that the public will hear and respect. But as long as we try to shove ideas down each other's throats, we'll never get anywhere. I respect your thoughts. I only ask that you respect mine. Ride on, ride safe, but most important of all... ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 00:30:44 1998 Return-Path: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24382 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s25.wizard.net [206.161.15.55]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00716 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:29:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981009002958.00a2f980@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:29:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) In-Reply-To: <361D4CEC.6DE97745@ix.netcom.com> References: <004e01bdf30a$c399c8e0$6e0000c0@demon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Who is going to be the Excelsior-Henderson dealer around here? Tom 1980 CX500D At 07:38 PM 10/8/98 -0400, Ken Shephard wrote: >Yep, they finally got the Polaris Victory in about three weeks ago, Big bike, >looks clumsy but was surprisingly well balanced. Not top heavy, although it >looks that way to me at first glance, Looking forward to a test ride some day. >;) The bars would have to go, unless I was hanging laundry from my arms but >otherwise, not bad at all. > >George Howell wrote: > >> They finally got the Polaris in!? >> >> Might be time for a ride this weekend... >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> -George Howell >> ghowell@XXXXXX >> georgehowell@XXXXXX >> > >-- > HDKnight > Ride Safe > 1996 XLH1200 > Inwood WV > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 01:23:05 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA26409 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.41]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:20:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bdf344$d46bc440$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19981009002958.00a2f980@mail.wizard.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You've got a lot of faith. While I'd like to see them, I'm not holding my breath for them to last more than a few years more. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Who is going to be the Excelsior-Henderson dealer around here? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 02:51:42 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA00697 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA07437; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:48:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:46:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: help with a seat cover To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5a856ba2.361c94ba@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/8/98 4:43:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > << Yup.Dyna's for riding,Fat Boy's for posing.B >> > Hmmmmm, I see that even within a style concious group there are fine > distinctions. Do Fat Boy riders wave at Dyna riders?:-))) Sure.We just don't wave at Sportster riders. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 03:00:39 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA01100 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA07469; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:57:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:48:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Gil's Bikes... was RE: help with a seat cover To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > I gotta hand it to you Gil, you have the most diverse taste in motorcycles I > think I've seen. You should send a list of the bikes you've had. The ones > I know about are: V30 Magna, CBR900RR, Buell (don't know which one, they all > look the same), HD Dyna. Which ones am I missing? In order: '85 XL200 '82 FT500 Ascot '84 V30 Magna '86 500 Interceptor '84 700 Nighthawk S '86 VFR750 Interceptor '93 CBR900RR '95 Buell S2 Thunderbolt '96 Buell S1 Lightning '98 Fat Boy '98 Dyna Covertable I also had a '95 R1100RS for a couple weeks as a loaner while the S2 was in the shop.I miss every one of the Hondas,I'm in therapy from the Buells. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 03:25:34 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02067 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA07598; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:21:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:18:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: help with a seat cover To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361CBF3D.996AD461@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Cool! You confirmed some of my suspicions about the Dyna Convertible. > If I ever get rich and eccentric enough (I guess I've got the eccentric > part down pat), that'll be the Harley I buy. Hey now,nothing wrong with Hogs(tm).Most of the crap you hear about them is from people who've never even sat on one.In the real world,where you ride at under 100mph,turn corners w/out dragging pegs,and do your own maintenance,Harleys do just fine. > Are you gonna get that frame brace thingy that we all talked about > here a few weeks ago? Cure the Dyna's flex problems? Carlini(sp?) Torque Arm.Got one on order.I had to do some searching cause they're getting rare.Harley bought the rights to make their own version called the Race Brace.Doesn't look as strong as the original. I'm also going to add a SE fork brace(the old Magnas had those too). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 03:32:04 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02475 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA07634; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:28:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:23:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004e01bdf30a$c399c8e0$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > They finally got the Polaris in!? > Might be time for a ride this weekend... I got to see one at a dealer in PA.I had mixed feeings about it. Brakes/suspension are definitely up on most cruisers.But they need cosmetic help.The paint's not as nice as HD's,the floorboards and foot controls look tacky,and the speedo/readout is in a bad place. I'm interesting in seeing what the reliablility is like for the first year models. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 03:35:21 1998 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02565 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA07656; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:31:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:28:54 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004f01bdf30a$f62e64a0$6e0000c0@demon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, George Howell wrote: > Great movie (provided there is a partially finished case by your side and a > kicked one by the time the movie is over.) It's a classic.Right in there with Army of Darkness,Repo Man,and Quest for the Holy Grail. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 06:17:01 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09195 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FNJa002341; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <546b4cb8.361de249@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:15:37 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: help with a seat cover Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 2:56:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Sure.We just don't wave at Sportster riders. ;-) >> I knew it. :-))) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:09:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13604 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11366 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22697 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACFA58B01DE; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:09:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009080310.00fbe800@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:07:44 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:58 AM 10/8/98 , Carver, John wrote: >Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ >They seem pretty cool in a side car kinda way. I was surprised to >learn that they only have >35 hp and are only 650cc. I guess most/all of the torque is available >down low. (I think an EX500 puts out 47 hp) I understand that there >is a dealer out in Winchester, VA but I don't know where exactly. Technically in Clearbrook, VA. 2 exits (I think) north on I-81 from Winchester. Last I heard, they were dropping the Ural line due to reliability and maintainability problems. A Ural sidecar rider in my sidecar class had to downgrade the rig from daily driver to recreational vehicle - a couple times he couldn't even ride it back from the dealer before something else would break. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:10:18 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13612 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: tgimer@XXXXXX, leerider@XXXXXX, "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I guess we shouldn't bring up Vietnam then, should we? > ---------- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX[SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:38 PM > To: tgimer@XXXXXX; leerider@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride > > In a message dated 10/8/98 11:05:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tgimer@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the > >Constitution, so the standard is set. >> > > What do blow jobs have to do with the Constitution. Now engaging in the > transfer of arms to help prosecute wars without Congressional approval is > covered by the Constitution but if you are an older President and > right-wing > you can say you didn't remember and it all goes away and the blame is > placed > on a Colonel. > > Are you really this Republican crap? > > Ciao, > > fred > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:09:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13605 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11365 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22699 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACFB58B01DE; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:09:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009080855.00fb0520@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:14:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 10/8/98 , JOE NAGY wrote: >A friend of mine bought one of the first Dnepr sidecar rigs 'bout 15 >years ago (predesessor to URAL). Essentially it's a crude rooskie copy >of a WWII BMW, which they had plenty of when Old Man Winter kicked the >nazis off the eastern front. When the Russians retreated out of Germany after WWII, they took a BMW factory with them. The tooling was used to build the Dnepr, which later begat the Ural. The tooling was then sold to the Chinese who have used it to make the Chang Jiang sidecar rig. >They are cool in a sidecar kinda way. His was the "military" model with >the driven sidecar wheel (it had a differential like a car). When he >drove (yes you drive) it solo, he had to keep a bag of cement in the >car. Most unloaded sidecars require ballast - I carry 50 lb. in mine. It's easy during a right turn to generate enough lifting force to lift the sidecar wheel off the ground. This is great fun if you're expecting it and terrifying if you're not. Lots of body english (leaning in the seat) and using the front brake and throttle simultaneously help keep the rig on the ground. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:11:27 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13643 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11383 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22745 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:10:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:10:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Oops. Signed, Lt Mitch Holmes U.S. Navy > ---------- > From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:09 AM > To: tgimer@XXXXXX; leerider@XXXXXX; 'Boiade@XXXXXX' > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride > > I guess we shouldn't bring up Vietnam then, should we? > > ---------- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX[SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:38 PM > To: tgimer@XXXXXX; leerider@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride > > In a message dated 10/8/98 11:05:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tgimer@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the > >Constitution, so the standard is set. >> > > What do blow jobs have to do with the Constitution. Now engaging in the > transfer of arms to help prosecute wars without Congressional approval is > covered by the Constitution but if you are an older President and > right-wing > you can say you didn't remember and it all goes away and the blame is > placed > on a Colonel. > > Are you really this Republican crap? > > Ciao, > > fred > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:26:30 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14318 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0EF64801CC; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:26:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009082148.00fa8520@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:31:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions In-Reply-To: <7d25ad2e.361ceef6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:57 PM 10/8/98 , BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: >UNDERSTANDING HEAD >AND NECK TRAUMA > >Or, why helmets increase the danger! > >by Tony Pan Sanfelipo >(January 1998) So who is Sanfelipo? Is he a research scientist? Is he a trauma surgeon skilled in statistical analysis? Is he a trained accident investigator and analyst? Looks like he's yet another person who thinks his version of "common sense" proves everyone else is wrong. I've reviewed many scientific studies of helmeted and unhelmeted motorcyclist wrecks - and all the studies agree on two things -- 1. Helmets do not increase the likelihood or severity of neck injury. 2. Helmets prevent or reduce head injury. The fact that anti-helmet people still promote this "helmets kill" nonsense causes them to be the laughingstocks of citizens, other riders, and legislatures. The fact that organizations like ABATE and MRF continue to promote the idea that helmets kill causes them to be the laughingstocks of citizens, other riders, and legislatures - and it hurts their membership drives. Note that on this very list one person said he'd wouldn't join AMA or ABATE because of their views on helmet laws (let alone their views on helmets killing). Use freedom of choice, but don't pretend helmets kill. The evidence shows that they don't. Stick to verifiable facts, not opinions. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 08:26:29 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14316 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0ED64801CC; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:26:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009081521.00fb4530@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:20:37 -0400 To: "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride In-Reply-To: <000b01bdf2ce$28bb7300$d17f61ce@gimerhome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>As far as constitutionality, that's irrelevant these days. Even the >>legislators who respect the Constitution can be overridden by activist >>judges. Plus, Clinton has demonstrated that he will not abide by the >>Constitution, so the standard is set. > >I have to disagree with you here. Judges die....the Constitution won't. >Anyway, I'm writing the note from an unbiased perspective....whatever I find >in my analysis of the Constitution's application to these proposed laws is >what will end up in my paper. Don't blame only "activist judges", sometimes they're the only ones to actually do something concrete, as opposed to Congress who lack willpower and replace it with political whimsey. Good example: Congress passed the Communications Decency Act, which forbade lewd postings on the Internet. The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional based on free speech (do you think the Rehnquist Court are "activist judges"?). Then Congress published the Starr report on the Internet - an action that would have been illegal if Congress had their way with laws. Congress is now writing more legislation to impose some sort of publishing limits on the Internet. Guess what, their actions in publishing the Starr report would again be illegal if they pass their latest legislation. fact is stranger than fiction, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:12:52 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16172 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABCC6DE0766; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:12:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009085732.00fbbde0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:58:26 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname In-Reply-To: <361D2BE1.995C5D@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds like a suspicious story to me. So, Dale ... what did YOU wear, if anything, after your clothes were horked? :-) Chris Norloff At 05:17 PM 10/8/98 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Guess I better forward this to the list before Todd yells >at me, too. :) Since we are all coming clean: > >ST (short for Steel Trap) asked me: > >> So what's up with your name? > >Kind of silly actually. I was in Track and Field in high school. >A thrower, shot-put and discus. (I was not and never will be a >runner.) Lifted weights, got pretty big, strong as an ox, walked >onto the football team and started on the O-Line, medalled in the >shot-put at the State Track meet my senior year, etc. etc. Big man >in school now. About that time, Terry "Hulk" Hogan, the >"Incredible Hulkster", ThunderLips from the Rocky III movie, was big in >pro wrestling (still is, I guess). Also, about that time, the McKenzie >Brothers had a hilarious movie out called "Strange Brew". >Any movie about beer is gonna be big in High School. Anyway, one >of the classic lines in the movie comes after the brothers take >off their clothes in the beer factory for a quick swim in a beer vat. >When their clothes come up missing, one of 'em yells "Hey, somebody >horked our clothes!" > >Anyway, with the resemblance to my last name, I was >known as the incredible "Horkster" ever since. :) > >Well, it's better than some of the other nick-names I've had. >I'm not going there. Don't ask. :) > >Horkster > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here >Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:12:54 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16176 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12086 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23842 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABCA6DE0766; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:12:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009083204.00fb79c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:34:33 -0400 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions In-Reply-To: <87329cc9.361cfc3d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:54 PM 10/8/98 , NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >I agree with Anita. Old topic. We all have preferences as different as each >and every one of us. If we all wore the same gear and rode the same bikes life >would be pretty damn boring. Get over it and go ride. >Robert VanSlyke The choice to wear or not wear a helmet is a personal one. The conclusion that helmets hurt people is a personal opinion not based on scientific evidence, and is easily refuted. Whether helmets work or not is one consideration. Whether helmets should be required or not is another consideration. Just keep those two items separate. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:12:52 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16171 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ABCB6DE0766; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:12:43 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009085534.00fb9db0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:55:51 -0400 To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Parking In-Reply-To: <199810081920.PAA01926@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nicely done! And thanks for passing it on. Chris Norloff At 03:20 PM 10/8/98 , Slawson, Kurt wrote: > Someone posted a message the other day about not being permitted to >park at a PMI garage (sorry, I can't seem to find the original message). >I suggest that you go to the management office on DeSales street and >speak with someone directly. I received conflicting answers over the >phone from PMI employees in response to my questions about obtaining a >monthly parking permit for my bike. It wasn't until I actually went to >their offices that I was able to purchase a monthly motorcycle-only >permit, for which I pay 1/2 the regular monthly rate. > > One more thing: Congress amended =A7132(f)(4) of the Internal Revenue >Code as part of the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 to allow employers to >set up salary reduction arrangements for employee parking. It works >like a 401(k) plan---your pay is reduced to cover the amount of your >monthly parking fee, which your employer forwards to the parking >management company). In other words, it's possible to pay for parking >on a pre-tax basis. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:19:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16248 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12178 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24025 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcig1.fw.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Oct 9 08:19 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA29137 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:19:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDF365.E6B28EB0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'George Howell'" Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:19:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. John Carver '98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:40:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17111 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12458 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24687 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:33 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA22181; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:42:20 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021954; Fri, 9 Oct 98 09:41:44 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F0K00I5CBB4SC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256698.004AC76E ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:36:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:38:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) To: "Carver, John" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <85256698.004ACFB7.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL They are pointy looking sidecars ... should look great hanging off of your VFR. :-) --chris To: 'Todd Peer' , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , 'George Howell' cc: From: "Carver, John" Date: 10/09/98 01:19:21 PM GMT Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) <> What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. John Carver '98 VFR GO RIDE!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:51:51 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17574 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12598 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25003 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4EE12F023C; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:51:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009095500.00fac5e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:56:14 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:19 AM 10/9/98 , Carver, John wrote: ><> > >What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. Not sure about a Velorex site, but here's all my sidecar links, for your viewing pleasure. :-) Chris Norloff http://205.177.218.214/ 3wheels http://www.dropbears.com/bikes/smw/Models/Chinese/ChangJia.htm Chang Jiang R71 Replica http://www.chinamotorcycle.com/newpage3.htm Chiang Jiang http://www.igs.net/~avery/motorcyc/beepr/beepr.htm Dnepr/BMW Conversion http://connexus.apana.org.au/~pholt/flexit.htm Flexit http://www.inb.net/hannigan/ Hannigan Sidecars and Trailers http://www.ural.com/ Ural http://www.libertysidecars.com/ LIBERTY SIDECARS http://motorvation.com/ Motorvation Motorcycle Sidecars & Trailers http://www.tourtrikes.com/ North American Touring Trike Cente "http://www.axion.net/pegasusidecar/home.htm Pegasus Sidecar Manufacturing http://www.izhmash.ru/izhmash.html Production Amalgamation IZHMASH http://home.earthlink.net/~greyhawk2/ redbaron http://www.sidestrider.com/ Side Strider Sidecars http://www.klippan.se/sidecar/start1.html Sidecar (Klippan, Sweden) http://home.earthlink.net/~sidecarmike/ Sidecar Mike's House of Fun http://www.faxtfood.com/motorcycles/Sidecars/manual.html Sidecar Operation Manual http://www.skully.demon.nl/ The Goldwing Sidecar Homepage http://mcnet.marietta.edu/~vessv/warkshop/ The Wark Shop http://www.ncentral.com/~oliver/tomco.htm Tomco Conversions - Sidecar Operated Motorcycle http://www.ural.com/ Ural Sidecar Motorcycles http://www.amjawa.com/ Welcome to American Jawa http://www.sidecar.com/ WWW.SIDECAR.COM From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 09:54:30 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17855 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 252; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:48:58 -0400 Message-ID: <361E1480.3308C574@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:49:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname References: <4.1.19981009085732.00fbbde0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SHHH! :) Chris Norloff wrote: > > Sounds like a suspicious story to me. So, Dale ... what did YOU wear, if > anything, after your clothes were horked? Horkster From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:00:09 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17999 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:58:33 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:56:10 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:58:37 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Speakin' o' facts . . . anyone got the facts that debunk the bullshit "public burden theory" that "they" will eventually use to ban bikes alltogether? Theory is, we deadbeat bikers don't give a damn about our safety, after all, we ride these death machines, and when we toss these inherently unstable vehicles into the ditch, we lay up in the hospital at public expense because we are after all, deadbeat scumbags who don't bother to carry health insurance. Of course, EVERY car driver carries this insurance. And they never get head injuries either. I know there was a study done, it was probably printed up in the AMA mag, but I can't find the dang thing. Joe Scumbag Harley-riding biker trash, maniac crotch-rocket pilot, licensed road-racer, etc. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:04:48 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18291 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ5FV5N7; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:04:23 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Signing - Origin of the Horkster nickname Message-ID: <19981009.003133.5175.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <361D2BE1.995C5D@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:04:23 EDT Like I said when I came on to this list, I can't say where I work simply because my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. However, I'm not trying to hide behind my screen name. My first name is JohnDavid (no wisecracks needed, my best guess is that my folks couldn't agree on what to call me). JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:08:09 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18386 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12765 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25370 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA16241 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:20:23 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F1@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: The Saga Ends (long) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:10:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I am finally coming out of double secretive lurk mode to give you all a final update of my bike. As some of you know I had an accident about 3 months ago. Nothing really serious, just cosmetic damage. Well I have decide I will NEVER crash again, merely because of the fact that it was such a pain in the ass to get this thing fixed, and because it is dangerous. The problems started with my insurance company. They are supposed to have adjusters that can come out to your house, but unfortunately they "don't have anyone that knows motorcycles." I went round and round with Allstate, who in the past has been excellent in situations like this, for about two weeks and finally found out the only way to get an estimate was to take it to a shop. I thought I would be very smart in taking the bike to Coleman Powersport. They would do the estimate, charge their outrageous prices, I could order the parts myself and make some money off of the deal. I though it only fair, since I went through a near death situation crashing the bike, I should get something in return. I talked to a guy at Coleman who said it would only take a few days to do the estimate. After calling almost every day for two weeks I finally get the estimate over the phone but with out the labor included yet. The conversation goes something like this: ME: I calling about the estimate on my bike COLEMAN: Um....you're the guy who wanted his bike totaled right? ME: No! I didn't think the damage was that bad. COLEMAN: Oh yeah...right...well I think it might be totaled They came back with an estimate of $5,800 just for parts! Mind you the damage was all cosmetic, it had been running perfectly. I understand that they just went ahead and replaced everything that had the smallest scratch on it, but what really pissed me off is that when I went in to pick up the estimate the next day no one would go over it with me! I was there in the middle of the day on a Tuesday and I was the only person in the service department. I asked the guy if it was Coleman's policy not to discuss repair estimates with their customers and he mumbled something about being busy. So I demanded the keys back and took the bike home with the partially completed estimate. I called the insurance company and they said that with $5,800 estimate they would total the bike. So I took it over to Crossroad Cycles for a second opinion. They were great. We went over the entire bike and picked out the things that could be repaired and what actually had to be replaced. They came in with an estimate for $2,400! So to finish up a long story I got the money from the insurance company ordered the parts from Riverside Honda in NY (thanks to Glenn) and had all the parts painted yellow. I went to the same place Linda Tanner got her's painted (thanks Linda). I have to say that I am not overjoyed with the job they did. There are some spots that the coverage is very light and eventhough they did the final finishing work, I still had to go back a finish some details. I got what I paid for though, $200 dollars is not bad, and overall the bike looks good. So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung like the Beetles) Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:08:53 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18396 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8F0FAB022E; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:08:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009101118.01067770@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:13:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:58 AM 10/9/98 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Speakin' o' facts . . . >anyone got the facts that debunk the bullshit "public burden theory" >that "they" will eventually use to ban bikes alltogether? The only place I recall seeing anything about that was in the AMA magazine, and I thought it was lacking in rigor. >Of course, EVERY car driver carries this insurance. And they never get >head injuries either. Car drivers/passengers have more head injuries than motorcyclists do (though we have a higher rate of injury per accident ... the larger number of cars skews the total outcome in that direction. But it's useful for pointing out that if legislators actually wanted to stop head injury ...). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:18:13 1998 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18811 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:18:11 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3XXUa22760 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b20160e.361e1af0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:17:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Car drivers/passengers have more head injuries than motorcyclists do The only time I contributed to statistics, I was one out of four people who went to the hospital in an ambulance. I was the only one without a head injury. The other four people were riding in cars and wearing seatbelts. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:24:45 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18901 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12947 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25795 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACA73470246; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:24:39 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009102659.0106ab00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:28:19 -0400 To: "'DC-Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: The Saga Ends (long) In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F1@GROVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 10/9/98 , Westbrook, Richard wrote: >So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung like >the Beetles) I want to get a picture when "We all ride on a yel-low VFR, a yel-low VFR, a yel-low VFR ..." Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:36:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19668 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13057 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26091 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WLOOa22057 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14f16609.361e1f51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:36:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -car vs bike Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 I read somewhere awhile back when I started riding (think it was an old Cycle World) that did a study on bike crashes vs car crashes. I dont remember all the details but the final verdict has always stuck with me. While a biker may get heavier external wounds (ie road rash) during an accident, he/she is usually thrown clear of the bike and the dangers around. In many car accidents, drivers and passengers receive injuries solely from the devices used to restrain and protect them in an accident. Seat belts causing broken collar bones, air bags causing facial abrasions and in some instances, broken or cracked ribs. Personally Id rather get a torn up knee and a shredded coat than a cracked rib from an airbag or seat belt. The only instances where bikers were wholly injured more was in accidents in speeds exceeding 60MPH. Thats it. Most bikers walk away from accidents at speeds lower than that. At least I know I have. Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:40:53 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19681 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13105 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26200 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:38:03 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Carver, John" , "'Todd Peer'" , Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdf392$bdf0eda0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ That's for Winchester Indian. Velorex is a rather inexpensive hack imported by American Jawa. Czech manufacturer, I think. Quality is okay, they are a bit light. But, they are cheap. Only $1400. Nowhere near as many doodads as a Hannigan. But I can't see spending $3500 for a hack to put on a $1000 bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'George Howell' > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > <> > > > What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. > > John Carver > '98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:50:44 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20253 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:37:58 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Helmet laws...WAS Fwd: Sunday ABATE Ride Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:40:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdf392$bd1e5b60$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19981009081521.00fb4530@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Frankly, I wouldn't worry a whole lot about this. Virtual domain hosting is no big deal, and there will be a HUGE business in overseas domain hosting if this comes to pass. I doubt Congress is savvy enough at this point to create a law to dodge this possibility (and it's almost certainly not legal for them to do) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Congress is now writing more legislation to impose some sort of publishing > limits on the Internet. Guess what, their actions in publishing the Starr > report would again be illegal if they pass their latest legislation. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:51:34 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20280 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13246 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26436 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:53:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:52:39 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, RWestbrook@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Saga Ends (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have Allstate too and they were great after my accident. The bike was = still declared totaled and I wound up buying Jay Thompson's 93 FZR600. I = had it taken to Springfield Cyclesport and they gave me a $3500 estimate. = Allstate picked up the bike and took it to their inspection station for an = estimate. One week later, the bike is declared totaled and my loan paid = off. Can't complain. The next DC-Cycles ride is Saturday, I think. = Anita is heading it up. Scooter >>> "Westbrook, Richard" 10/09/98 10:10AM >>> I am finally coming out of double secretive lurk mode to give you all a final update of my bike. As some of you know I had an accident about 3 months ago. Nothing really serious, just cosmetic damage. Well I have = decide I will NEVER crash again, merely because of the fact that it was such a = pain in the ass to get this thing fixed, and because it is dangerous. The problems started with my insurance company. They are supposed to have adjusters that can come out to your house, but unfortunately they "don't have anyone that knows motorcycles." I went round and round with Allstate, who in the past has been excellent in situations like this, for about two weeks and finally found out the only way to get an estimate was to take it to a shop.=20 I thought I would be very smart in taking the bike to Coleman Powersport. They would do the estimate, charge their outrageous prices, I could order the parts myself and make some money off of the deal. I though it only = fair, since I went through a near death situation crashing the bike, I should = get something in return. I talked to a guy at Coleman who said it would only take a few days to do the estimate. After calling almost every day for two weeks I finally get the estimate over the phone but with out the labor included yet. The conversation goes something like this: ME: I calling about the estimate on my bike COLEMAN: Um....you're the guy who wanted his bike totaled right? ME: No! I didn't think the damage was that bad. COLEMAN: Oh yeah...right...well I think it might be totaled They came back with an estimate of $5,800 just for parts! Mind you the damage was all cosmetic, it had been running perfectly. I understand that they just went ahead and replaced everything that had the smallest scratch on it, but what really pissed me off is that when I went in to pick up the estimate the next day no one would go over it with me! I was there in the middle of the day on a Tuesday and I was the only person in the service department. I asked the guy if it was Coleman's policy not to discuss = repair estimates with their customers and he mumbled something about being busy. = So I demanded the keys back and took the bike home with the partially = completed estimate.=20 I called the insurance company and they said that with $5,800 estimate = they would total the bike. So I took it over to Crossroad Cycles for a second opinion. They were great. We went over the entire bike and picked out the things that could be repaired and what actually had to be replaced. They came in with an estimate for $2,400! So to finish up a long story I got the money from the insurance company ordered the parts from Riverside Honda in NY (thanks to Glenn) and had all the parts painted yellow. I went to the same place Linda Tanner got her's painted (thanks Linda). I have to say that I am not overjoyed with the job they did. There are some spots that the coverage is very light and eventhough they did the final finishing work, I still had to go back a finish some details. I got what I paid for though, $200 dollars is not = bad, and overall the bike looks good. So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung = like the Beetles) Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 10:56:07 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20377 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13307 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall-r.insuremarket.com (known mailhost.ifscorp.com [205.130.198.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26566 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by firewall-r.insuremarket.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id KAA16290; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:55:44 -0400 Received: from oman.insuremarket.com(172.23.2.69) by firewall-r.insuremarket.com via smap (3.1) id xma016260; Fri, 9 Oct 98 10:55:33 -0400 Received: from ifscorp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oman.insuremarket.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA05418; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:51:41 -0400 Sender: tad@XXXXXX Message-ID: <361E22FC.6E1079AA@ifscorp.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:51:41 -0400 From: Thomas De Boeser Organization: Interactive Insurance Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en,java MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Westbrook, Richard" CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: The Saga Ends (long) References: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F1@GROVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you got any before and after shots? I'd love to see a yellow VFR Tom '87 VFR7002 "Westbrook, Richard" wrote: > > So to finish up a long story I got the money from the insurance company > ordered the parts from Riverside Honda in NY (thanks to Glenn) and had all > the parts painted yellow. I went to the same place Linda Tanner got her's > painted (thanks Linda). I have to say that I am not overjoyed with the job > they did. There are some spots that the coverage is very light and > eventhough they did the final finishing work, I still had to go back a > finish some details. I got what I paid for though, $200 dollars is not bad, > and overall the bike looks good. > > So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung like > the Beetles) > > Rich Westbrook -- Thomas De Boeser Intuit Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ ~~~~~~~~ "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 11:05:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20917 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13428 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (known cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26821 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2RJC5C5WU8Y4Y0I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:07:10 EDT Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:09:17 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Grow up.... was Re: Facts not emotions To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <361E271D.F19FA6D4@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <93ee266f.361d8e68@aol.com> NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > The arguments about helmet laws are like "closing the barn door after the > horses run out." It's a done deal. The voting public will never repeal them. > It's that simple. No it isn't. Look at the latest wave of helmet law repeals in other states. The "voting public" doesn't have any say in it anyway. It's who they elect that does. Who knows when MD legislators will repeal their unconstitutionally vague helmet statute as well. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 11:09:27 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from cusrva.cua.edu (cusrva.cua.edu [136.242.10.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21228 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (stud39.law.cua.edu) by cua.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #29119) with ESMTP id <01J2RJHCYJAO8Y4X1I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:11:22 EDT Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:13:29 -0400 From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Facts not emotions To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <361E2819.305A9074@smart.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <4.1.19981009082148.00fa8520@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:57 PM 10/8/98 , BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: > >UNDERSTANDING HEAD > >AND NECK TRAUMA > > > >Or, why helmets increase the danger! > > > >by Tony Pan Sanfelipo > >(January 1998) > > So who is Sanfelipo? Is he a research scientist? Is he a trauma surgeon > skilled in statistical analysis? Is he a trained accident investigator and > analyst? Looks like he's yet another person who thinks his version of > "common sense" proves everyone else is wrong. I read some more of Sanfelipo's stuff on the BOLT page (Bikers of Lesser Tolerance). Seems like he might try any tactic to get helmet laws repealed....including public refusal (group effort) to abide by laws. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 11:10:55 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21243 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13526 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27045 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA16390; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:22:26 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:13:59 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F3@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'Thomas De Boeser'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Saga Ends (long) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:13:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm going to take some this weekend and scan them in next week. > ---------- > From: Thomas De Boeser > Sent: Friday, October 9, 1998 9:51 AM > To: Westbrook, Richard > Cc: 'DC-Cycles' > Subject: Re: The Saga Ends (long) > > Have you got any before and after shots? I'd love to see a yellow VFR > > Tom > '87 VFR7002 > > "Westbrook, Richard" wrote: > > > > > So to finish up a long story I got the money from the insurance company > > ordered the parts from Riverside Honda in NY (thanks to Glenn) and had > all > > the parts painted yellow. I went to the same place Linda Tanner got > her's > > painted (thanks Linda). I have to say that I am not overjoyed with the > job > > they did. There are some spots that the coverage is very light and > > eventhough they did the final finishing work, I still had to go back a > > finish some details. I got what I paid for though, $200 dollars is not > bad, > > and overall the bike looks good. > > > > So I am ready to go on the next DC-cycles ride on my yellow VFR. (sung > like > > the Beetles) > > > > Rich Westbrook > > -- > Thomas De Boeser > Intuit Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com > a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com > Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ > ~~~~~~~~ > "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 11:51:18 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22838 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14007 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28610 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WFBCa18750; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5d39e390.361e30b7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:50:15 EDT To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Grow up.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/9/98 12:17:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul writes: << Another topic that's been beaten like a dead horse. Harleys versus everythig else/ my bike is better. Who cares? Like I've been saying, we all have different preferences. I like Hondas, someone else might like Harleys, or BMWs, or Ducatis, are whatever else! Heck, if someone builds their own bike from scratch, I'm not gonna insult them because it isn't the same bike that I ride!! And frankly, I don't want to ride the same bike as everyone else! I like variety. I like to be able to stop and look at all the different bikes on a group ride. I like to compare engineering concepts and traditions of manufacturing, etc. But most of all, I like to ride. And when it comes down to it, that's why I have a motorcycle. Some people may have their bikes for show, others for convenience, others still for efficiency or whatever else. The fact is that it's a bike, and they do ride. As soon as we agree to disagree and start acting like a community rather than individual groups, then motorcyclists can have a voice that the public will hear and respect. But as long as we try to shove ideas down each other's throats, we'll never get anywhere. I respect your thoughts. I only ask that you respect mine. Ride on, ride safe, but most important of all... ride. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 >> Hi Robert, I sure don't know where you came up with this one. I never said a thing about any of this. I agree with you completely. I know a whole lot of bro's who do talk of what you describe, however, I have always believed in this motto: "I'd rather ride with a brother on a Honda, then an ass hole on a Harley" Okay, cool with that? Ride Free! Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:03:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23472 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14213 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29074 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id MAA29231 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256698.0069BB51 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:02:12 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256698.00579DC7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:57:52 -0400 Subject: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Just checked out the Winchester Indian site...I didn't know that Enfield still produces m/cs...are they actually made at the same factory as the classics, or is it more of an Asian deal now? Too bad all they make is a single (looked like it from the picture)...anyone know if that's the case, or does W.I. only stock the single. I'm looking for a bike with a classic look but new internals...my next bike will probably be a Triumph Thunderbird Sport if I buy new. Or a Sunbeam S-8 if I buy old... BTW, Paul - I lost the number of that guy who does the classic bike work on the side...any chance you can resend? Just wondering... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX To: "Carver, John" , "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ That's for Winchester Indian. Velorex is a rather inexpensive hack imported by American Jawa. Czech manufacturer, I think. Quality is okay, they are a bit light. But, they are cheap. Only $1400. Nowhere near as many doodads as a Hannigan. But I can't see spending $3500 for a hack to put on a $1000 bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'George Howell' > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > <> > > > What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. > > John Carver > '98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:10:39 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23596 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14322 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29374 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05271; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHBW>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:11:45 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC654@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Grow up.... Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:11:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He's referring to the list explosion we had a week or two ago. A new guy joined the list and immediately proceeded to tell us all how superior Harleys were, then to add even more fire, started insulting the women (who hadn't even been in the argument to start with)... > -----Original Message----- > From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX [SMTP:BkrFamily@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: Grow up.... > > Hi Robert, > I sure don't know where you came up with this one. > > Steel Trap > (rusty and illegal in most states....just kidding..I couldn't resist..saw it on a joke recently) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:17:56 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23992 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14405 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29588 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zRfEj-0005jL-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:17:49 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE6E@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Grow up.... Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:14:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain LOL, well said. - Jeannette > "I'd rather ride with a brother on a Honda, > then an ass hole on a Harley" > Okay, cool with that? > Ride Free! > Steel Trap From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:25:25 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24375 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05676 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:23:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199810091623.MAA05676@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:25:27 -0400 Subject: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) The ride scheduled for tomorrow, 10/10/98 is still on... I even managed to mostly fend off a cold/flu bug that has afflicted my entire office! Here are the particulars: Starting Place: Old Country Buffet on Rte 234 in Manassas Starting Time: 8:00 am for breakfast, ride starts at 9:00 am Distance: ~200 miles, ending in Middleburg Pace: Moderate, if a lot of people show up we'll split up into two groups and I'll lead the slower group. Beginners and those new to group rides are definitely welcome. Please email me if you have any questions! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:45:59 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25301 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimerhome (max2p185.smart.net [206.97.127.185]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA29066; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004501bdf3a5$74df8140$b97f61ce@gimerhome> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Leon Begeman" , Subject: Re: Facts not emotions Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:54:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I'm with Leon. Just because it isn't a NEW topic doesn't mean it's a waste of bandwidth. It's also pretty goddamn important. The "slippery slope" argument is the one that makes me most worried....once motorcyclists give the signal to legislators that they accept attempts to overregulate the industry/activity, we are all going to be riding around in our airbag suits on unmodifiable bikes with leg protectors. Won't that be fun. -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman To: Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Facts not emotions >But I like this argument, and I still don't understand why some folks >want to make me do things that don't affect them. > >Leon. > >Anita Lauro wrote: >> >> Maybe if we're going to argue, we can at least argue about >> something NEW!?! From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:47:34 1998 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25330 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:45:58 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:43:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:46:04 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Chris Norloff wrote: "But it's useful for pointing out that if legislators actually wanted to stop head injury ..)." Exactly! We are a politically expedient target for "concerned" legislators, and we are mostly unorganized. Why AMA gets my 30 bucks every year. Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:54:10 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25436 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3QEFa02343 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6719be26.361e3f78@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:53:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 << my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you are being paid tax payer money to boot. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 12:55:48 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25465 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09057; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHB7>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:04 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC657@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Anita, You may want to detail where Old Country Buffet is at on 234... It's definitely not easily spotted from the main road (or am I just blind ;-)) I recall it's in a shopping center, but I can't remember what else is there with it that's out by the road.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Subject: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] > > > Starting Place: Old Country Buffet on Rte 234 in Manassas > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:05:19 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25966 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09845; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHCA>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:06:34 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC659@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:06:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Trust me... I work for the gov't... he he he I admit, I spend probably too much time reading/posting list stuff, but I do manage to get all of my work done plus some... The office I'm in is really flexible both in work and hours...I can pretty much come and go as I please, take as long a lunch as I please, etc. as long as I continue to get my share of the load done.... As a zero type in the military, your time isn't as regimented as it is for an enlisted person. You're expected to manage your time properly to meet all your requirements... Sooo... sometimes I stay a little late or come in a bit early (Ok, maybe not early) to get things done.. On a side note, I just found out yesterday that I may be going on an inspection in Japan next month!! Woohoo.. I wonder if I can stuff a GSXR400 into my carry on for the trip back :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26274 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 189; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: <361E4326.92F942BD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:08:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] References: <199810091623.MAA05676@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > The ride scheduled for tomorrow, 10/10/98 is still on... > > Here are the particulars: > > Starting Place: Old Country Buffet on Rte 234 in Manassas > Starting Time: 8:00 am for breakfast, ride starts at 9:00 am > Distance: ~200 miles, ending in Middleburg Count me in! I was bummed when I thought I would have to miss this ride last weekend, so I'm glad I'm getting a second chance. :) See ya tomorrow! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:11:02 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26288 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10404 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHCD>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: SV650 webpage? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I can't rememeber the subject line or originator of that webpage that showed a pic of the two SV650 models riding position... Could someone repost please?? thanks CT From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:14:00 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26399 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zRg6r-0002iF-01; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:13:45 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE77@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:10:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ...trying to add fuel to the fire again, huh? ; ) - Jeannette > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the > list? > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:14:33 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26418 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10723 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHCF>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: SV650 website? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:15:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ooops, just found it... sorry bout that... http://www.motomag.com/nouveau/munich/suzuki.htm Thanks anyhow, Collin From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:16:30 1998 Return-Path: SRUSH@XXXXXX Received: from GKMG.COM ([198.69.199.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26482 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:17:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:17:12 -0400 From: "SCOTT Rush" To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paid or not? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline See, I actually can do both at the same time. I usually have 2 or 3 = computers sitting at my desk at one time so, e-mailing is no problem while = I work. Scooter >>> 10/09/98 12:53PM >>> << my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you are being paid tax payer money to boot. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26770 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by PENTAGON-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4SCXHVZM>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:17:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I consider it my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the building. Glenn > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:19:51 1998 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26793 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810091719.NAA26793@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4S2LZLJR>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:19:17 -0700 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:16:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) woohoo.. I'm one of those 'tax-payer paid' people.. playing on e-mail lists while at work.. thankfully I have the piece of mind not to start or get involved with helmet wars.. :P 'course waiting for workstations to run programs gives me ample time to type em.. er, programs done.. gotta go.. ;) Brian McCoy US Army Corps of Engineers.. but I'm only a contractor.. *-----Original Message----- * * *This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you *are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? *Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you *are being paid tax payer money to boot. *ST * From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:25:01 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26893 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11591 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHCH>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: weather Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:26:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I work in an interior office, and radio reception sucks, so I generally leave real audio tuned in to some random country station.... Current weather in Sioux Falls South Freakin Dakot is sunny and 60 degrees!!! And what's it like outside here????..... this sucks :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:28:44 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27192 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:28:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FIDLa02316; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:28:06 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Hey, thanks for being honest. Also, thanks for serving our country. Damn shame about the poor excuse we have for a Commander in Chief. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:30:45 1998 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27329 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.119] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00794; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:32:53 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01bdf3aa$6ddc83c0$7773c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:29:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Yes! Detailed directions would be great! I would be coming down 28. Or would coming in 234 from 15 be better from Leesburg? Thanks! >Anita, >You may want to detail where Old Country Buffet is at on 234... It's >definitely not easily spotted from the main road (or am I just blind ;-)) >I recall it's in a shopping center, but I can't remember what else is there >with it that's out by the road.. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] >> Subject: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] >> >> >> Starting Place: Old Country Buffet on Rte 234 in Manassas >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:33:26 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27355 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8E19F20292; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:33:21 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009130851.010796a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:09:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:46 PM 10/9/98 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: >"But it's useful for >pointing out that if legislators actually wanted to stop head injury >..)." > >Exactly! We are a politically expedient target for "concerned" >legislators, and we are mostly unorganized. Why AMA gets my 30 bucks >every year. >Joe And I paid another $10 and am one of the AMA "Extra Mile" members. As they say, freedom isn't free. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:33:26 1998 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27356 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8E29F20292; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:33:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19981009130953.0106e220@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:17:36 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Facts not emotions In-Reply-To: <004501bdf3a5$74df8140$b97f61ce@gimerhome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:54 PM 10/9/98 , Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >I'm with Leon. Just because it isn't a NEW topic doesn't mean it's a waste >of bandwidth. It's also pretty goddamn important. The "slippery slope" >argument is the one that makes me most worried....once motorcyclists give >the signal to legislators that they accept attempts to overregulate the >industry/activity, we are all going to be riding around in our airbag suits >on unmodifiable bikes with leg protectors. Won't that be fun. The counterpoint to that is that if bikers are perceived as unwilling to take what are regarded as basic safety precautions, then "passive" safety precautions may be legislated into place. A good example is seat belts. People were too stupid to wear seatbelts, and manufacturers wouldn't cooperate so legislation gave us -- 1) dual belts (separate lap and shoulder belts that were a royal PITA to use. They stowed out of the way very well, and were thus often left in the stowed position). 2) Seat belts buzzers that squawk if the driver commits the heinous crime of starting the engine before belting in - and the buzzers were often immediately disconnected. 3) Fixed seat belts with incredibly awkward adjustments, that were too much hassle to use unless you were the only one who ever used them. 4) Shoulder straps with no lap belts (only a knee bar, like the VW Rabbit). The shoulder belt attached to the door and did not require user action - it met the "passive" restraint requirements of legislation. 5) Electric shoulder belts that grab your neck, with manual lap belts that are easily forgotten (Toyota Camry - but it met that same passive requirement). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 13:47:01 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27881 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 385; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:46:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981009134412.00ddbc20@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:46:13 -0400 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: weather In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65C@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:26 PM 10/9/98 , Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >I work in an interior office, and radio reception sucks, so I generally >leave real audio tuned in to some random country station.... > >Current weather in Sioux Falls South Freakin Dakot is sunny and 60 >degrees!!! >And what's it like outside here????..... this sucks :) A friend of mine used to go to school at UND. Its beautiful up there in the summer (drove up once) but you would never envy them in the winter. He told me once (this kind of gross) that he drank too much one night and vomited outside his dorm building in November. It was still there in April. ugh. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:04:13 1998 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28714 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14622 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:02:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199810091802.OAA14622@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:04:14 -0400 Subject: RE: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Priority: normal In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC657@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, I'm going to try to explain where Old Country Buffet is (I apologize in advance for my directions!)... you want to be on Rte 234 South [Business]. OCB is on the left side of the road. It is in a shopping center that is set back from the road a bit, and it *is* kind of hard to see. As you are coming down Rte 234, you will pass a Crestar Bank on the left. You will turn at the next intersection after that (not at the Crestar)... The shopping center has a CVS Drug Store, a Long John Silvers, and a do-it-yourself car wash place. The OCB is at the end of the shopping center, to the right after you turn into the shopping center. Sorry if it's confusing... I missed it the first time I went there myself, and just did a u-turn at the next intersection. See you there! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29226 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 151; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: <361E526F.273D316A@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:14:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Norton CC: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] References: <006b01bdf3aa$6ddc83c0$7773c3d0@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok folks, I just called OCB from work (anyone gonna flame me for that? :), the meeting place is: Old Country Buffet Restaurant Westgate Shopping Center The restaurant is sort of located behind a Long John Silver's. 8121 Sudley Road (Rte. 234) in Manassas, I-66, Take Exit 47A, go 4-5 lights on 234, it's on the left hand side. (703) 368-0881 I tried to get the GPS coordinates, but damn, that person on the phone didn't know what I was talking about. :) :) Hope this all helps. Bruce, 234 from 15 is a nice (but straight road). That's not a bad way to come in at all. See y'all tomorrow! I'll probably skip breakfast (Lord knows I need to skip more than a few) and show up outside around 8:45 or so. Dale (the Horkster) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:22:59 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29480 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ5WNY6T; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:22:38 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paid or not? Message-ID: <19981009.032650.8231.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <6719be26.361e3f78@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-12,18-19,21-37 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:22:38 EDT Man, are you a trouble-maker and a rabble-rouser! You really seem to live for a good fiery controversy! ;-) Hey! Wait just one cotton-pickin' second Mr. BkrFamily Man. You seem to be able to respond quite rapidly to any posting you care to throughout the day. You work nights? Are you retired? What gives? Inquiring minds wanna know! :-) JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) PS. FWIW, I usually get here about 1.5 to 2 hours before the store opens and get a lot of my BS work done then, when there's no one around to interrupt me. That leaves me more free time to put my finger on the pulse of the local motorcyclist crowd during the day. Besides, it's the end of the season and our floor traffic is much lighter :( than it was a month ago. Come springtime, I won't be so conspicuous on the list... Y'all go out and visit your local dealer. We miss you. Plus the `99s are starting to arrive... On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:53:12 EDT BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: > > ><< my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him > to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm > supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> > > >This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you >are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the >list? >Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you >are being paid tax payer money to boot. >ST > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:25:58 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29654 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16560 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03609 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256698.0064FCE9 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:23:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256698.0064C62E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:22:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride [10/10/98] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ok folks, I just called OCB from work (anyone gonna flame me for that? :) Holy cow Dale. You're going to upset the worlds economy if you keep that up! 8-) Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:37:02 1998 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00293 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16924; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4R4MPHDH>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC668@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Bikes R Us'" , BkrFamily@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 99 models RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:38:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of the 99 models.... What's the dealer word on the SV650? Early reports are that the naked version with the relaxed ride position are the only ones coming over here... Is there any chance of some of the S models making to this side of the pond? If not, I find this pretty odd... Usually we get the sporty version of the bikes, and the euro market gets the less sporty models (liek the CB600..or was that 650?, etc)... what gives?? Collin (and yes, I'm bored and watching the clock for one more hour..) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:39:05 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00344 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA12174; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:38:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981009183828.TKGZ25016@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:38:28 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdf3b3$dbf983e0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6719be26.361e3f78@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, we could all just stop. Then who'd you have to talk to? Todd > > << my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him > to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm > supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> > > > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > ST > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:46:42 1998 Return-Path: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00791 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glll6 ([12.78.124.184]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19981009184538.CTXN2374@glll6>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:45:38 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981009134519.0098cc00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: aki.damme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:45:19 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Paid or not? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" since I'm at home and don't start my new job until the first week of Nov., I'm reading from home...on my new Dell 450!!! Woo! Woo! Man does those dirty picture downloads fly now!! ;-) -aki At 01:17 PM 10/9/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I consider it >my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the >building. > >Glenn > > >> This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you >> are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? >> Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you >> are being paid tax payer money to boot. >> > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 14:52:55 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00892 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RFZAa02343; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45e8a18.361e59d5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:45:41 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/9/98 2:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: << Hey! Wait just one cotton-pickin' second Mr. BkrFamily Man. You seem to be able to respond quite rapidly to any posting you care to throughout the day. You work nights? Are you retired? What gives? Inquiring minds wanna know! :-) JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) >> I started to answer your question when I ask mine. Then I backspaced it off in favor of seeing who was going to be the first one to ask. Your the winner! No damn prize but your the winner! Anyhow, I go into work during the wee hours of the morning and am usually home by about 11 or so. I sit and do this shit for free! Hell, if I had a terminal at work I'd been fired long ago. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:09:35 1998 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01661 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA06517; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from todd.mcit.com ([166.41.242.141]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981009190851.TSLG25016@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:08:51 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:07:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bdf3b8$193e7ea0$8df229a6@todd.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981009130953.0106e220@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 12:54 PM 10/9/98 , Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > >I'm with Leon. Just because it isn't a NEW topic doesn't mean > it's a waste > >of bandwidth. It's also pretty goddamn important. The "slippery slope" > >argument is the one that makes me most worried....once motorcyclists give > >the signal to legislators that they accept attempts to overregulate the > >industry/activity, we are all going to be riding around in our > airbag suits > >on unmodifiable bikes with leg protectors. Won't that be fun. > > The counterpoint to that is that if bikers are perceived as unwilling to > take what are regarded as basic safety precautions, then "passive" safety > precautions may be legislated into place. Since you are both argueing from the point of view as citizen servant to the government, you are both right. However, civil servants are elected to serve the will of the citizens. If you consider yourselves good citizens (taxpayers will do) and 'motorcyclists'/'bikers' then it is your civic duty to steer your servants attitude toward your concerns to effect change. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing your arguement(s). Maybe instead of argueing about what 'they' will do, energy might be spent better educating 'them'. Don't bother pointing out that I hold cagers in disdain because I believe they really don't give a crap about motorcyclists. I know I'm a hypocrite :) But I do regularly call my congressman (Frank Wolf) on issues that mean something to me. And I belong to the AMA. Blah! Here's a good start to learn more about what the feds are up to: http://www.house.gov/Welcome2.html Here's a list of committee members on Transportation & Infrastructure: http://clerkweb.house.gov/mbrcmtee/cmtees/standing/SC.HTM#17 Also, check your States Page(s) too: Virginia: http://legis.state.va.us/ Maryland: http://www.mec.state.md.us/mec/ District of Columbia: http://www.ci.washington.dc.us/ Todd: "Have you RSVP'd"? http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/RSVP.HTML From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:28:09 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02526 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ52EBDH; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:27:48 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: weather Message-ID: <19981009.034952.8231.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981009134412.00ddbc20@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9,11,13-25 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:27:48 EDT Yuck-o! JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ps. Better check your signature... On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:46:13 -0400 "Michael Troutman" writes: >He told me once (this kind of gross) that he drank too much one night and >vomited outside his dorm building in November. It was still there in April. > >ugh. > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > >"I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." > (Better than me at everything except maybe spelling...) :-) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:31:26 1998 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02615 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zRiG0-0002Ls-00; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:31:20 -0400 Received: by SUBSPACE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:30:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE83@BADGE> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:28:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Got some pics back today of the new puppy. Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03076 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 200; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: <361E672E.8AC5348F@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:42:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paid or not? References: <3.0.6.32.19981009134519.0098cc00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > > since I'm at home and don't start my new job until the first week of > Nov., I'm reading from home...on my new Dell 450!!! Woo! Woo! Man > does those dirty picture downloads fly now!! > Much faster than work, huh? :) So tell us, Aki, why was it that you had to get a new job again? I'm just kidding! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:46:11 1998 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03117 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:45:25 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 09 Oct 1998 15:45:22 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 09 Oct 1998 15:45:22 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 00B2A361E67D2002-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 00B2A361E67D2002 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <00B2A361E67D2002*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 09 Oct 1998 15:45:22 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: Todd Peer , Chris Norloff , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Message-Id: <00B2A361E67D2002*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Todd, I'll be there definitely, most likely with my SO (Kathy), but maybe not. Maybe with the F3, but then again, maybe not. I'm still figuring out what food to bring. Probably something Mexican, but maybe not. Can figure out my life is a bit unsettled at this point in time. Don B Todd: "Have you RSVP'd"? http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/RSVP.HTML From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:47:38 1998 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03127 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I usually read my email first thing in the morning -- most of it block-delete for such ramblings as helmet wearing and Harley vs. the world discussions. I then check it during my lunch hour, which is at my desk, by the way. Then I give it one last look before I go home for the day, which varies between 1700 and 2100 (that's 5 p.m. to 9 p.m.). Since my work day usually begins at 0500 (5 a.m.), I think I'm allowed to read my email occasionally in between. Mitch > ---------- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN[SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 1:17 PM > To: 'BkrFamily@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Paid or not? > > Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I consider > it > my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the > building. > > Glenn > > > > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:47:43 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03130 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ53H6UN; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:47:23 EDT To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV650 Message-ID: <19981009.040935.8231.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC668@mscex> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-7 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:47:23 EDT Dealer word is that we won't see the half-faired version here in the states, but that is, of course, subject to change without notice. I have my fingers crossed, since I like the S version better too. Perhaps, like the Bandit 1200, it will eventually get here. JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:51:07 1998 Return-Path: mdpetty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03487 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:46:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > Got some pics back today of the new puppy. > Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. > I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL > > - Jeannette > Ohhhh, gotta love that _new puppy_ smell. -Mark '83 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 15:53:00 1998 Return-Path: RWestbrook@XXXXXX Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03532 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA17004; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:04:39 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:56:06 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4954A65F9@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Subject: RE: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:56:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain That could be a refreshing departure from the typical scantily-clad-busty-babe centerfold that we are used to seeing. > ---------- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette > Sent: Friday, October 9, 1998 2:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) > > Got some pics back today of the new puppy. > Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. > I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 16:16:02 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04587 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 353; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:15:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981009161424.0189dc10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:15:18 -0400 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: weather Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19981009.034952.8231.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19981009134412.00ddbc20@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:27 PM 10/9/98 , Bikes R Us wrote: >ps. Better check your signature... >>"I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." >> >(Better than me at everything except maybe spelling...) :-) That was the irony of the signature. My new one is a great deal easier to read. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) Its too damn cold out there for me. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 16:23:42 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04980 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18367 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08902 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id WCGFa29193 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56ee3e50.361e7091@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:22:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Paid or not?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 I am not on taxpayer money but being a network administrator I only work when things go wrong around here. Thankfully they dont go wrong too often ;). Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 16:34:07 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05493 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-212.s212.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.212]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01896; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361EA55D.CEAB25DE@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:07:57 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE83@BADGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well..... You're just gonna have to scan it and post it for all of us to see... Speaking of great pics.. for those of you that don't get RoadRacing World (aka John's world) you've missed an awesome pic. Last month they had a b/w shot of Arron Yates in a recent race taking a left hander with his ELBOW less than one inch from the pavement. This month it is a two page pullout full color poster!!! Absolutely awesome... It's too wide for my scanner, otherwise I would scan it in and post if for all to see...Definitely awe inspiring... O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Got some pics back today of the new puppy. > Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. > I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL > > - Jeannette -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 16:42:04 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05683 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18569 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09438 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA13793 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256698.007195A9 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:38 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256698.00717D03.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:28 -0400 Subject: Winchester Indian this weekend? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Anybody out there want to take a ride to Winchester Indian sometime this weekend? I think I want to take a look at their Royal Enfields...if anyone wants to join me (hopefully going sometime Sunday, if they're open then, then give me a call at (703) 516-0332...I'll have to take a cage, as I no longer have a bike... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (but don't reply, as I'll be leaving work soon) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 17:23:39 1998 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07375 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQ58Y69K; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:22:58 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Message-ID: <19981009.052214.8231.5.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE83@badge> <361EA55D.CEAB25DE@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:22:58 EDT I SAW THAT PHOTO! Truly amazing. Some folks here were trying to downplay the level of gravity defiance by saying he only LOOKED that close to the ground because at the edge of the track, the ground rises up to meet you. I say, next thing you know, they'll be dragging their chins... Whoa, Nellie! JohnDavid --Bikes R Us-- So many bikes. So little time...(sigh) On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:07:57 -0400 "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" >Speaking of great pics.. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 17:37:25 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08142 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19436 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12072 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA28094; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:36:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv10-34.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.162) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028063; Fri Oct 9 16:36:11 1998 Message-ID: <361E816B.9AD5359A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:34:35 -0400 From: Ken Shephard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) References: <85256698.00579DC7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Enfield is now made only in India, although it is authentuic tooling and the company is a direct descedent. It is an interesting beastie, but not as cheap as one would think, something like a 350 starting at $3500.00 would be a neat toy for $1500.00 ;). Actually still has a kickstart. Rode one at an open house 2 years back, wouldnt want to use it as my commuter bike, but would make an ok city bike. IMHO... Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Just checked out the Winchester Indian site...I didn't know that Enfield > still produces m/cs...are they actually made at the same factory as the > classics, or is it more of an Asian deal now? Too bad all they make is a > single (looked like it from the picture)...anyone know if that's the case, > or does W.I. only stock the single. -- HDKnight Ride Safe 1996 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09074 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id FEIYa29185; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:00:42 EDT To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 1:37:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BkrFamily@XXXXXX writes: << Damn shame about the poor excuse we have for a Commander in Chief. >> Jeesh, enough already, get over it. Does it bother you that much that he got a little on the side and denied it? Are you envious or just a weirdo. Judge him by how the country is doing economically when the rest of the world's finances are falling apart. You have a budget surplus, you have one of the world's lowest unemployment rates, what more do you want, Mother Theresa in the White house. Well you could use universal health-care like most industrialized countries, but he even tried to do that. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:17:22 1998 Return-Path: tgimer@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09635 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gimerhome (max2p179.smart.net [206.97.127.179]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA07641; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: <00da01bdf3d3$ccb7f9a0$b97f61ce@gimerhome> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , , Subject: Re: Paid or not? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:25:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Allright....hold it right there! The beginning of this little squabble was fun to watch until you started in on the smokers. After all, a study by Tony Pan Sanfelipo showed that smokers are more productive workers than non-smokers, even when working fewer hours. -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Paid or not? >Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I consider it >my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the >building. > >Glenn > >> This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you >> are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? >> Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you >> are being paid tax payer money to boot. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09661 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:18:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id RNITa04133; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <592e0f19.361e89c2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:10:10 EDT To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Dragging elbows, that is actually dragging an elbow slider, was done by an Italian Magazine tester originally, then the brit guys started copying him and it is quite common in Euro Mags now. The Mag that started it in Italy actually had a step-by-step guide as to how to do it and ended the article by saying that getting that low was actually slower with respect to lap times, so I decided not learn. :-)))) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:28:02 1998 Return-Path: leerider@XXXXXX Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10123 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laser (p88.sas2.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.88]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07489 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:27:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <361E8C43.3A0@flash.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:20:51 -0400 From: Lee Powell Reply-To: leerider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Facts not emotions -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: > > Speakin' o' facts . . . > anyone got the facts that debunk the bullshit "public burden theory" > that "they" will eventually use to ban bikes alltogether? Theory is, we > deadbeat bikers don't give a damn about our safety, after all, we ride > these death machines, and when we toss these inherently unstable > vehicles into the ditch, we lay up in the hospital at public expense > because we are after all, deadbeat scumbags who don't bother to carry > health insurance. Joe, I believe the last figure I heard was that of all the "public burden" cases taking up bed space, unfortunate motorcyclists accounted for less that 2%. But let me see if I can find the source and verify that figure. That answers the demagogues (i.e., politicians), but as you've seen, the truth won't stop them. Lee From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 18:33:58 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10477 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 6KEIa03785; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2663e49.361e8f09@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:32:41 EDT To: tgimer@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, BkrFamily@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Paid or not? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 6:22:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tgimer@XXXXXX writes: << After all, a study by Tony Pan Sanfelipo showed that smokers are more productive workers than non-smokers, even when working fewer hours. >> Apparently Nicotine is an upper Tony may be right. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 19:00:21 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11502 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-212.s212.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.212]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02691; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361EC934.92995C9C@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:40:52 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) References: <592e0f19.361e89c2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It depends on the particular situation... sometimes a steeper lean can make a turn quicker, but not for most turns..can't get all the power to the ground and the tire just spins..... In one (I repeat one) lap out at summit, I had my hip and elbow both tap down in turn 5! I honestly thought that I was crashing till the bike levered of my leg and came back up... I was in shock... hasn't happened since though as I learned to hang off the bike more and corner a lot faster.... I'm not sure if anyone ever caught a pic of it, but I remember watching a 250 gp race a bout two years ago where the track surface was a bit higher then the infield grass... Those guys were going through the corner with their elbows dragging in the grass lower than the pavement the bikes were on!! The announcers were going nuts (as was I)...Isn't physics great!! Collin ________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 19:06:24 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11870 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TPXQa02082; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49581cbb.361e96c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:05:36 EDT To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 10/9/98 7:00:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << It depends on the particular situation... sometimes a steeper lean can make a turn quicker, but not for most turns..can't get all the power to the ground and the tire just spins..... >> I think their point was that the lean was not necessarily steeper, it was really a primer on hanging acrobatics to drag your elbow for photographic drama. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 19:08:19 1998 Return-Path: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11880 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glll6 ([12.78.126.239]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19981009230746.GSAA2374@glll6>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:07:46 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981009180721.009933f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: aki.damme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:07:21 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Paid or not? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <361E672E.8AC5348F@tidalwave.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19981009134519.0098cc00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nah..downloading from work was *much* faster on that T3. Unfortunately, I had co-workers that had NO sense of humor...how was I supposed to know that "doggie_love.jpg" wasn't a picture of someones pet? Damn..guess I gotta be careful what I save as wallpaper! ;-) Seriously, I was a victim of the outsourcing bug....as was the other 2,500 IS employees at Citicorp...oh well..the parachute was nice nuff...bought this 'puter I'm pokin on and I'm thinking of buying a Durango and will still have a pretty penny left over for the SO's "backyard renovation" project... At 03:42 PM 10/9/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: >> >> since I'm at home and don't start my new job until the first week of >> Nov., I'm reading from home...on my new Dell 450!!! Woo! Woo! Man >> does those dirty picture downloads fly now!! >> > >Much faster than work, huh? :) So tell us, Aki, why was it >that you had to get a new job again? > >I'm just kidding! :) > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here >Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 19:45:41 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13265 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20742 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15424 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA05876; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810092346.TAA05876@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycles!!! (Please) To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000601bdf2cd$b6bd03e0$6e0000c0@demon> from "George Howell" at Oct 8, 98 11:09:58 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > They only put out that kind of power because they are basically a WWII BMW > design. R71, I think. > -George Howell > > > > Has anyone checked out URAL's web page : http://www.ural.com/ > > > > --John > > 98 VFR > > GO RIDE!! > > > Ural ? It was a dream bike in 70-ish Poland. Only army was gettgin them, so they were rare. most popular mods were to change rear gear ratio ( they were shaft driven ) using old BMW pars, and have nice bike capable of speeds in excess of 100 km/h. Older model was called MK, and was even more archaic... Both were terrible on gasoline. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 20:30:16 1998 Return-Path: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15225 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3EPAa13873 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:29:38 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <687ed16f.361eaa72@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:29:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: buying used Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I just agreed to buy a '91 VFR with 12K miles, Givi luggage, Corbin seat, center stand, great shape for $3500. However, I insisted that I be allowed to drive it around a bit and return it for a refund within a certain time period if I wasn't satisfied with the way it ran. The owner refused and the deal fell through. I was concerned that it might have a problem that wouldn't show up until it started moving, like a bad transmission perhaps. The owner seemed honest and the bike looked very well cared for. I just didn't feel comfortable about handing over a big chunk of cash without riding the bike a bit. The fact that it had dead tags and no insurance made it more complicated. I was willing to title and insure it but the guy insisted that once I had the title the bike was not returnable. I guess that I could still call him back and buy it. What do you think folks? Am I being unreasonable? Is it a good deal I'm letting slip away? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 20:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15738 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3XTVa02343; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:46:38 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <4ef1c976.361eae6e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:46:38 EDT To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: buying used Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 $3500 is a very good price and VFRs are fairly indestructible. I would ask him to ride it for you through the gears. I have an 86 750 which I intend to sell and will ask $3000, so if you can get a 91 for 3500 it is a great deal. If it has engine problems they are a bit more expensive to fix than in-line 4s. The gearbox could cost you a grand or more so I would see it run a bit if not ridden by you personally. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 21:27:37 1998 Return-Path: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17452 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:27:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX Received: from BkrFamily@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3MRDa04133; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:27:01 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <55329f91.361eb7e5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:27:01 EDT To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Out of context Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 In a message dated 10/9/98 6:00:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boia de writes: << << Damn shame about the poor excuse we have for a Commander in Chief. >> Jeesh, enough already, get over it. Does it bother you that much that he got a little on the side and denied it? Are you envious or just a weirdo. Judge him by how the country is doing economically when the rest of the world's finances are falling apart. You have a budget surplus, you have one of the world's lowest unemployment rates, what more do you want, Mother Theresa in the White house. Well you could use universal health-care like most industrialized countries, but he even tried to do that. Ciao, Fred >> Hello Fred, You have taken my statement completely out of context. It came from a personal email to someone else who mistakenly replied to the list. I was talking about Clinton's military service or lack there of. You are the one to bring up all the other stuff not me. ST From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 9 22:57:31 1998 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from vulture.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20910 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana ([207.172.33.129]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 267; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:56:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981009225458.00bcc690@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:56:31 -0400 To: BkrFamily@XXXXXX, Boiade@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Out of context Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <55329f91.361eb7e5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys need to take this off the list. And its the Republicans in congress that gave us the budget surplus. Even Clinton will admit to that, so dont go spreading more left wing falsehoods. At 09:27 PM 10/9/98 -0400, BkrFamily@XXXXXX wrote: >a little on the side and denied it? Are you envious or just a weirdo. = Judge >him by how the country is doing economically when the rest of the world's >finances are falling apart. You have a budget surplus, you have one of the ______________________________________ =A0=A0 Mike Troutman =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mike@XXXXXX =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.troutman.org When you come to a fork in the road - take it=20 From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:46:14 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25072 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24405 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19612 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:24 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Winchester Indian this weekend? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:53 -0400 Message-ID: <005201bdf408$dcc11900$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <85256698.00717D03.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Will go with you. Depending on whether my family is making funeral arrangements (mother's father isn't doing well. It's 12:30 AM, and we're getting ready to head to Harbor Hosp. in Balt.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [mailto:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 4:40 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Winchester Indian this weekend? > > > Anybody out there want to take a ride to Winchester Indian sometime this > weekend? I think I want to take a look at their Royal > Enfields...if anyone > wants to join me (hopefully going sometime Sunday, if they're open then, > then give me a call at (703) 516-0332...I'll have to take a cage, as I no > longer have a bike... > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (but don't reply, as I'll be leaving work > soon) > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:45:43 1998 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24949 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24399 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19591 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:21 -0400 Message-ID: <004801bdf408$c98208e0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <85256698.00579DC7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The current Enfield is only available as the bullet single. They are built in India (some firm bought out the factory and tooling when the company folded). I think they go for around $5000 or so, depending on paint jobs and whatnot. I'd suggest you go up there. I've only been there twice, and had trouble getting out of there in under two hours both times. The owner (name eludes me) just loves talking. And he's very enthusiastic about the... niche bikes he sells. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [mailto:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 11:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Classic Look (was: RE: Motorcycles!!!) > > > > > Just checked out the Winchester Indian site...I didn't know that Enfield > still produces m/cs...are they actually made at the same factory as the > classics, or is it more of an Asian deal now? Too bad all they make is a > single (looked like it from the picture)...anyone know if that's the case, > or does W.I. only stock the single. I'm looking for a bike with a classic > look but new internals...my next bike will probably be a Triumph > Thunderbird Sport if I buy new. Or a Sunbeam S-8 if I buy old... > > BTW, Paul - I lost the number of that guy who does the classic > bike work on > the side...any chance you can resend? > > Just wondering... > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Carver, John" , "'Todd Peer'" > , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > > http://www.nvim.com/cycle/ That's for Winchester Indian. Velorex is a rather inexpensive hack imported by American Jawa. Czech manufacturer, I think. Quality is okay, they are a bit light. But, they are cheap. Only $1400. Nowhere near as many doodads as a Hannigan. But I can't see spending $3500 for a hack to put on a $1000 bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Carver, John [mailto:jcarver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:19 AM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'George Howell' > Subject: RE: Motorcycles!!! (Please) > > > <> > > > What are *those*? Does this cumpny have a web site? TIA. > > John Carver > '98 VFR > GO RIDE!! > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:57 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25354 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:02 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Facts not emotions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01bdf408$cf2b9ea0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19981009130953.0106e220@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > A good example is seat belts. People were too stupid to wear seatbelts, > and manufacturers wouldn't cooperate so legislation gave us -- It could be worse than helmets. Don't forget those passive legguards and airbags for bikes that they banty about. > 1) dual belts (separate lap and shoulder belts that were a royal PITA to > use. They stowed out of the way very well, and were thus often > left in the > stowed position). Glad I missed this one. > 2) Seat belts buzzers that squawk if the driver commits the heinous crime > of starting the engine before belting in - and the buzzers were often > immediately disconnected. Or better yet: had a sitter in 1981. I remember that she kept the belt always plugged in, and sat on top of it. Brilliant. > 3) Fixed seat belts with incredibly awkward adjustments, that > were too much > hassle to use unless you were the only one who ever used them. Loved it when we had a vehicle made with these, but after the mandatory belt laws. It was great when a really skinny person was the last in the car, and the next was someone really big:) > 4) Shoulder straps with no lap belts (only a knee bar, like the > VW Rabbit). > The shoulder belt attached to the door and did not require user action - > it met the "passive" restraint requirements of legislation. Knee bar? What vintage rabbits? I don't remember these. > 5) Electric shoulder belts that grab your neck, with manual lap belts that > are easily forgotten (Toyota Camry - but it met that same passive > requirement). Father had one of these in the mid 80's. I thought it was cool. Of course, I was 10, and anything with a motor was pretty cool (still kinda like that:) Remember the GM belts where the shoulder and lap retractor fit the door frame? They could only sell these as 'passive' restraints for about two years before the NHTSA said 'yeah, right'. Then there's my favorite idiocy: when I had a Jeep CJ5, it only came with lap belts. I wanted shoulder restraints (something about not being impaled on a steering column that I found attractive:) but it didn't have lugs for the shoulder mount like the Wranglers and later CJ7s. So I put on a four point race harness (skipped the anti submarine strap). Which, had I been pulled over with it, I would have gotten an illegal equipment ticket. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:54 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25352 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Michael Troutman" , "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: weather Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01bdf408$d07b5020$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19981009134412.00ddbc20@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Had that happen in Frostburg. Kinda neat to see half digested chicken wings melting through the snow (for once, it wasn't my barf. I resigned myself to toilets. BTW, don't ever puke in a shower. Chunks don't go down the drain. Someone in another dorm did this when I was in college. Then got the brilliant idea to turn on the shower to rinse it down:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 1:46 PM > To: Fagan, Collin LTJG; 'dc' > Subject: Re: weather > > > At 01:26 PM 10/9/98 , Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > >I work in an interior office, and radio reception sucks, so I generally > >leave real audio tuned in to some random country station.... > > > >Current weather in Sioux Falls South Freakin Dakot is sunny and 60 > >degrees!!! > >And what's it like outside here????..... this sucks :) > > A friend of mine used to go to school at UND. Its beautiful up there in > the summer (drove up once) but you would never envy them in the > winter. He > told me once (this kind of gross) that he drank too much one night and > vomited outside his dorm building in November. It was still > there in April. > > ugh. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > "I'm not arrogant, I'm just better that you." > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:40 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25338 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: SV650 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: <005101bdf408$db7a8f40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981009.040935.8231.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Funny. Had I ever bought the Bandit, the first thing I'd do is ditch the fairing, and get a Speed Triple setup up front. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:41 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25340 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: RE: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: <005001bdf408$d9b6e640$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DACCE83@BADGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 No, you have to see On Any Sunday and see the guy running that Grand Prix (somewhere in CA) with the dog on the tank. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 3:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Priceless Picture (Semi-Moto) > > > Got some pics back today of the new puppy. > Best one: sound asleep halfway inside Tom's helmet. > I've GOT to find a biker mag for this one. LOL > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:43 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25342 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:59 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: weather Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01bdf408$ce516b40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B11BC65C@MSCEX> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Speak for yourself. The Belfast doesn't feel comfy until it's 60 degrees and drizzly. 50 and drizzly would be better... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LTJG [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 1:26 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: weather > > > I work in an interior office, and radio reception sucks, so I generally > leave real audio tuned in to some random country station.... > > Current weather in Sioux Falls South Freakin Dakot is sunny and 60 > degrees!!! > And what's it like outside here????..... this sucks :) > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:45 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25344 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , , , Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:55 -0400 Message-ID: <005301bdf408$dd93ab40$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <2663e49.361e8f09@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nicotine is actually a downer. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 6:33 PM > To: tgimer@XXXXXX; Dysart@XXXXXX; BkrFamily@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Paid or not? > > > In a message dated 10/9/98 6:22:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tgimer@XXXXXX > writes: > > << After all, a study by Tony Pan Sanfelipo showed that smokers are more > productive workers than non-smokers, even when working fewer hours. > >> > > Apparently Nicotine is an upper Tony may be right. LOL > > > Ciao, > > Fred > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:47 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25346 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:43:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bdf408$d7749760$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19981009.032650.8231.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > PS. FWIW, I usually get here about 1.5 to 2 hours before the store opens > and get a lot of my BS work done then, when there's no one around to > interrupt me. That leaves me more free time to put my finger on the pulse > of the local motorcyclist crowd during the day. Besides, it's the end of > the season and our floor traffic is much lighter :( than it was a month > ago. Come springtime, I won't be so conspicuous on the list... > > Y'all go out and visit your local dealer. We miss you. Plus the `99s are > starting to arrive... Even if your local dealer is Atlantic Cycle and Power? A few of the shop guys are okay, but the only salesman I really liked (there's one guy who's okay, but I don't *like* him) isn't there anymore. And they don't sell Triumphs anymore:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:49 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25348 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:53 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bdf408$cab028a0$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <6719be26.361e3f78@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I guarantee I'm not. While my boss/father gets all of the useful tidbits I pull off of mailing lists, company time is still company time. Still... Had I managed to score that free bike the other day, I'm sure he would have looked the other way:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: BkrFamily@XXXXXX [mailto:BkrFamily@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 12:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Paid or not? > > > > > << my boss is a computer user and email reader and I don't want him > to think that all I do is chat with you fine people all day when I'm > supposed to be earning a few of his dollars. >> > > > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > ST > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 00:55:52 1998 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25350 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , Subject: RE: Paid or not? Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01bdf408$cb88d560$6e0000c0@demon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Wish more of our employees were like this. We used to let folks smoke inside, but Paris and the media generated frenzy over 'second hand smoke' (read some reputable medical journals, it's 99.99% bullpucky) have taken care of that problem. Smokers are just like the rats in a Skinner box. Give 'em their fix every so often, and they're fine. In the past, they never took a break. NEVER. Just lit up, and kept answering the phones, typing, etc... But now, they take their breaks like everyone else (5 minutes per hour for employees working longer than a four hour shift). Oh well. Just trying to keep the country's productivity growth down... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Probably most of us. What's your point? Since I don't smoke I > consider it > my "smoking break" that I see everyone doing on the hour outside the > building. > > Glenn > > > > This posting from yesterday got me thinking. I wonder how many of you > > are being paid to be working while you spend time emailing to the list? > > Judging from some of the addresses I'll venture to guess some of you > > are being paid tax payer money to boot. > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 02:03:06 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28097 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-212.s212.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.212]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20623; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361EF8DA.FA8A657A@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:04:10 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Facts not emotions References: <004d01bdf408$cf2b9ea0$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Knee bar? What vintage rabbits? I don't remember these. I was wondering this myself... I had an 81 Rabbit and it didn't have such a beast..must be more vintage than that... ps: Do you ever sleep George?? :) hmm, I'm saying that as I sit here at 2 am....go figure... (kiddo decided to wake up 30 minutes after I went to bed at 1..grrr) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 10 02:06:12 1998 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28319 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-212.s212.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.212]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20884; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361EF9BC.5FFA80EC@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:07:56 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Bikes R Us , cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV650 References: <005101bdf408$db7a8f40$6e0000c0@demon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not so interested in the fairing aspect of the S model as I am the ride position... From the motomag pics, the S model has it's footpegs rearset, and the bars a few inches lower... I'd be looking