From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:02:47 1997 From: jcarver@XXXXXX To: , , Subject: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:01:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear sprockets, of course) Thanks. --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:52:13 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:51:00 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:01 PM 10/1/97 -0400, jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: >Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph >with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the >difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at >60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear >sprockets, of course) Thanks. Your "gear ratio" of the chain is the number of teeth of one sprocket divided by the number of teeth of the other sprocket. The relationship between gear ratio and engine speed is linear, so just compare engine speed at one gear ratio to engine speed at the other gear ratio. For example: (rpm_1 at 60mph) divided by (gear_ratio_1) equals (rpm_2 at 60mph) divided by (gear_ratio_2) plug in what you know, and solve for the one you don't know, for example: (gear_ratio_2) equals [(rpm_1 at 60mph) divided by (gear_ratio_1)] divided by (rpm_2 at 60mph) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 13:56:43 1997 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:55:44 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcarver@XXXXXX CC: bandit-talk@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph > with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the > difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at > 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear > sprockets, of course) The specific formula you are looking for is at: http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/rpmmph.html The page for all of them is http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/auto.html or http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/auto_noframe.html Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 15:02:13 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:51:44 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:52:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Recommended Ride, from Princeton, WV To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1156IAW37ED0 X400-MTS-identifier: [;44154110017991/2003456@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 This past Friday I rode down to Princeton, WV to join a group of riders in the local twisties. Saturday was beautiful. All day I was in the quandary of deciding if I should look around at the amazing scenery or keep my eye on the amazing roads. I managed some combination of the two. Here's a route that's well worth riding down for (or trailering the bike if that's your pleasure). Take I-81 south from the DC area to the exit for Virginia Tech, Rte 460 West. Follow that for 80 miles or so until you reach Princeton. My total distance there from College Park was about 340 miles (on Sunday, my return 340 miles was spent in constant rain, blah). Actually, for the trip down I didn't use the interstate. There are plenty of twisty roads through the heart of WV to keep you interested on the trip there... Princeton has restaurants, hotels, etc so it's a good place to use as a base. The ride: >From Princeton - Rte 460 W Left onto Rte 598 (BlueField, WV) Straight on Rte 52 to Rte 61 Right on Rte 61 to Tazewell, VA Left at first stop light and proceed through Tazewell Left on Rte 16 (about 1 mile out of town) Right on Rte 42 to Saltville, VA Left on Rte 107 Straight on Rte 600 (over White Top Mountain - 5,520 ft) Left on Rte 58 Left on Rte 16 in Volney, VA Rte 16 will take you to Marion, VA ("The Apple House" restaurant near 16 and I-81 comes highly recommended) Right on Rte 42 Left on Rte 52 Straight on Rte 598 Right on Rte 16 This totals you out to about 238 miles. The mountains in this area are stupendous. You pass by Mt. Rogers, the highest point in Virginia at 5,729'. Bikes tuned for sea level will be choking like crazy... There's lots of neat stuff like signs that say, "15 mph corners next 5 miles", or "35 mph corners next 15 miles", etc. From sweepers to really tight corners (tight, like those on US 250) this area has it all. I think it was Rte 598 that had the "35 mph corners next 15 miles" sign. Rte 16 is an endless series of mixed tight and tight sweeping corners. Great roads. I expect I'll be tripping on down there again next year. I may bring hiking gear as well... If you have an interest (in just riding or riding/hiking) in this area sometime, let me know. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 17:33:49 1997 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 17:35:38 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all, Does anyone know of any place where you can find replacement straps for a (AGV) helmet? It seems that these things should be standardized, no? Mine have started to break apart. TIA John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 18:36:35 1997 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:34:03 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Shipping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jimi@XXXXXX wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > > Mike, try Federal Companies. I believe they are listed in this months > > Cycle World. I have never used them or know anyone that has. I just > > saw their ad. Their phone numbers are: > > I used them once. They did an OK job. You need to have the bike > delivered between business addresses. The place you work is a good > choice, but youo need to find one on the other end as well. They will > strap the bike down on to a large pallet, so you don't need to take it > apart. I think they want you to drain the gas, but I didn't, and nobody > said anything. > > The lower fairing on the bike had a huge gouge taken out of both sides > during the shipping, it looked like the bike contacted the pallet at some > point. It was a monster pain in the ass to get them to owe up to doing > it, and I never did get any money. Use at your own risk. > > It should be noted that the AMA discontinued using Federal as their > primary carrier a while back, because they refused to compensate their own > employees involved in motorcycle accidents. I forget who they use now, > but I would call the AMA to find out. I believe they now recommend D&D motorcycle service (based in CA)....at least they did in May of this year. +/-$400 from West Palm Beach to Bethesda, no damage to bike, on time delivery. I'll look for the number....AMA has it, too. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 19:53:19 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:49:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John- I'd think you can't replace them at all. How old is your helmet? Mine is riveted in and stitched together. I'd maybe mess with the stitching if I knew somebody with a serious sewing machine, but I don't think I'd try. New helmets are cheap. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 22:33:52 1997 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:13:51 -0500 (CDT) From: viper655@XXXXXX (Dr.Robert A. Harms) Subject: Re: MC Shipping To: "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You wrote: > >jimi@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >> >> > Mike, try Federal Companies. I believe they are listed in this months >> > Cycle World. I have never used them or know anyone that has. I just >> > saw their ad. Their phone numbers are: >> >> I used them once. They did an OK job. You need to have the bike >> delivered between business addresses. The place you work is a good >> choice, but youo need to find one on the other end as well. They will >> strap the bike down on to a large pallet, so you don't need to take it >> apart. I think they want you to drain the gas, but I didn't, and nobody >> said anything. >> >> The lower fairing on the bike had a huge gouge taken out of both sides >> during the shipping, it looked like the bike contacted the pallet at some >> point. It was a monster pain in the ass to get them to owe up to doing >> it, and I never did get any money. Use at your own risk. >> >> It should be noted that the AMA discontinued using Federal as their >> primary carrier a while back, because they refused to compensate their own >> employees involved in motorcycle accidents. I forget who they use now, >> but I would call the AMA to find out. > >I believe they now recommend D&D motorcycle service (based in CA)....at >least they did in May of this year. +/-$400 from West Palm Beach to >Bethesda, no damage to bike, on time delivery. > >I'll look for the number....AMA has it, too. > > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > The data on Federal is waaaaay out of date. They have covered rider/employees for well over a year. I have used Federal many times on some pretty rare bikes with absolutely no problems. The fee you paid from WPB to MD seems very high. My Maserati came from San Diego to Tampa for 325 . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 22:33:52 1997 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:02:46 -0700 From: ameadows X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcarver@XXXXXX CC: bandit-talk@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7E9A6F69368E8AFD3A4A2620" --------------7E9A6F69368E8AFD3A4A2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph > with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the > difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at > 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear > sprockets, of course) Thanks. > > --John OK.....lets see if I can put this down on paper..... First calculate the overall gear reduction ratio: R= (Transmission Ration x Final Drive Ratio) to 1 Final Drive is Chain and Sprocket. Calculate the Revolutions Per Second of the drive wheel at given Engine RPM: RPS= RPM(Eng) + R Calculate how many feet the motorcycle moves in one wheel revolution or the Circumference of the tire: C= 2 x pi x RR pi= 3.14159 RR= Rolling Radius Calculate the Velocity of the motorcycle: V= C x FPS Then convert to Miles Per Hour: Speed = V/1.466 I use this formula to determine shift speed for semi trucks. I hope this answers the question....sorry, I know of no other quicker formula that will accurately give you the speed. Good Luck "Life Begins with a twist of the wrist" --------------7E9A6F69368E8AFD3A4A2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcarver@XXXXXX wrote:
Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph
with a given gear ratio?  What I am trying to do is determine the
difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at
60mph with a new gear ratio.  (Changing only the front & rear
sprockets, of course)  Thanks.

--John

   OK.....lets see if I can put this down on paper.....

First calculate the overall gear reduction ratio:
R= (Transmission Ration x Final Drive Ratio) to 1
Final Drive is Chain and Sprocket.

Calculate the Revolutions Per Second of the drive wheel at given Engine RPM:

RPS= RPM(Eng) + R

Calculate how many feet the motorcycle moves in one wheel revolution or the Circumference of the tire:
C= 2 x pi x RR
pi= 3.14159
RR= Rolling Radius

Calculate the Velocity of the motorcycle:

V= C x FPS

Then convert to Miles Per Hour:

Speed = V/1.466

I use this formula to determine shift speed for semi trucks.

I hope this answers the question....sorry, I know of no other quicker formula that will accurately give you the speed.

Good Luck

"Life Begins with a twist of the wrist" --------------7E9A6F69368E8AFD3A4A2620-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 23:52:31 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: free air compressor, needs work Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:49:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, y'all- I have an air compressor I don't want. It's about 25gal, 2.5 hp, 220 volt Sears, quite old. Some compressors can be run on 110 or 220 volt, like my new one, but I don't know if this one can. It needs a new pump, which you can get from Harbor Freight or Northern Tools for $140 to $150. It claims to be powerful enough to paint a car. I've run typical air tools on it, but never painted. A new compressor like this would be $325 at Sears. Yours free. Please! It's in my way but I don't want to throw it out. In Potomac. Thanks Kevin PS- I won't be around to check your replies until Friday afternoon. Send a phone number if you want. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 01:44:27 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:50:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycle Subject: Jet kits for sale, Suzuki and Honda MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have 5 jet kits for sale. They are all new (unused), made by DynoJet and sold by Kerker or by K & N. Price is one half (50%) of similar current retail K & N price (Parts Unlimited Catalog) and I'll pay shipping (in US). The reason I say "similar" is that only one of these kits (CB-900) is in the catalog, so I'm doing a "best guess". All except the CB-900 kit are sold with K & N stock airbox replacement filters, so they are equivalent to DynoJet Stage 1 kits, i.e. use stock (or close) exhaust. The CB-900 kit comes with individual filters and is intended for use with a less-restrictive aftermarket exhaust. It corresponds to the DynoJet Stage 3 kits. The jet kits are for: Suzuki GS-1150, 1984-86 $84 Suzuki GS-750, 1983 $81 Suzuki GS-750, 1980-82 $80 Honda CB-900C,F, 1980-82 $117.50 Honda VF750S Sabre, 1982-3 $88 Based on identical part numbers in K&N section of PU catalog, it looks like the Honda 900 kit will also fit the CB 750C 1980-1, CB 750F 1979-81, CB 750K 1979-81 and CB 750L 1979 (including filters). The following Suzuki's jet kits also show a common part number: GS750E 80-82, GS750L 80-81, GS750S 83, GS750T 83; the 1983 750E/ES uses the same jet kit but a different air filter. The GS1150 jet kit is the same part number as all GS1100 (not GSX). However the air filters differ. If anyone has info on other bikes these kits will fit, or catches an error on my part, please let me know. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 03:48:45 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 00:48:08 -0700 From: Chris Schulz Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed X-Sender: 109sbm65gi3h@XXXXXX To: ameadows , jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: bandit-talk@XXXXXX, Suzuki List , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >I use this formula to determine shift speed for semi trucks. I'm sure you're sick of calculating speed for semi-trucks, so why don't you calculate the shift speed for the RF900R??? Chris '94 RF900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:06:29 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:03:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT John probably won't agree with me right now, but not being able to replace a helmet strap is probably a Good Thing (tm) IMO. This prevents would-be bikers saving the $ investment of a nice new helmet by simply going up to your bike in the parking lot and slicing through the strap of yours, knowing that a new strap is just a few dollars. I think Kevin is right, if you have worn a helmet so much that a strap is worn out, it's probably time for an new helmet. Retire it with pride. There aren't many bikers out there who do those kinds of miles. Helmets are cheap. What's your head worth? Ride Safe! Horkster ---------- From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:49 PM To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? John- I'd think you can't replace them at all. How old is your helmet? Mine is riveted in and stitched together. I'd maybe mess with the stitching if I knew somebody with a serious sewing machine, but I don't think I'd try. New helmets are cheap. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:52:00 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:36:22 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 AM 10/2/97 -0400, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >John probably won't agree with me right now, >but not being able to replace a helmet strap is >probably a Good Thing (tm) IMO. This prevents >would-be bikers saving the $ investment of a nice >new helmet by simply going up to your bike in >the parking lot and slicing through the strap of >yours, knowing that a new strap is just a few dollars. > >I think Kevin is right, if you have worn a helmet so >much that a strap is worn out, it's probably time >for an new helmet. Retire it with pride. There aren't >many bikers out there who do those kinds of miles. >Helmets are cheap. What's your head worth? I agree with the above sentiments. However, if the strap needs to be replaced and the above conditions do not apply, I'd go to a master parachute rigger for help with the straps. I'd look for a rigger (or how to contact one) at an airport, a skydiving shop, or a sailplane place. If you have any military contacts, go to their parachute loft. Parachute folks hang by their handiwork all the time ... they know what they're doing. I think someone familiar with technical rock climbing (using ropes, etc.) would also be able to help -- their body harnesses are made of webbing. You could probably also just replace the straps yourself. Use synthetic thread from a seatbelt shop (auto upholstery shop) and sew at about 15-20 threads per inch, sewing an area twice as long as the webbing is wide. Use a box stitch pattern with an X across the middle of it (look at your car's seat belts for this pattern). The strap needs only to be almost as strong as your neck, so I should think it would be relatively easy to do yourself. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 10:08:47 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:07:39 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:49 PM > To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? > > John- > --snip-- > New helmets are cheap. > Um, so can you enlighten us as to where you buy *your* helmets at? I sure don't recall them being cheap. Worth the money, yes ... but not what I consider cheap! Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 10:29:23 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:25:52 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464563A59@xcgva001.grumman.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12ftsL00007it ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ..I wasn't going to say anything either...but last time I bought a new helmet (X8-Air), it WASN'T what I'd consider _cheap_... -aki > X-Priority: 3 > > > ---------- > > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:49 PM > > To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? > > > > John- > > > --snip-- > > > New helmets are cheap. > > > Um, so can you enlighten us as to where you buy *your* helmets at? > > I sure don't recall them being cheap. Worth the money, yes ... but not > what I consider cheap! > > Later, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 10:52:32 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:49:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 66 TEXT What I really meant was cheap compared to the alternatives, like a two week stay in the hospital where your family is waiting for you to come out of the coma. And I would probably be a bit aggravated if, say, I just paid $300 plus for a helmet, and the straps started fraying prematurely. But I didn't think that this was the original poster's case. Not much about motorcycling is monetarily cheap, I've come to find. I've had no problems doing away with all my disposable income (and then some) since I've become a rider. Not that I'm complaining, I've had a blast so far! Horkster ---------- From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 1997 10:25 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? ..I wasn't going to say anything either...but last time I bought a new helmet (X8-Air), it WASN'T what I'd consider _cheap_... -aki > X-Priority: 3 > > > ---------- > > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:49 PM > > To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? > > > > John- > > > --snip-- > > > New helmets are cheap. > > > Um, so can you enlighten us as to where you buy *your* helmets at? > > I sure don't recall them being cheap. Worth the money, yes ... but not > what I consider cheap! > > Later, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:23:45 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:22:42 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New helmets vs replacing straps In the twenty two years I have sold helmets, I have successfully used these lines to help the customer decide on whether to purchase a new helmet or not: Do you feel lucky today? Do have any other type of insurance; say, for your health, auto, life, home, etc? A good helmet is the cheapest insurance you will ever buy. What do think it would feel like if you were sliding down the road and your helmet came off? Do you know how much facial reconstructive surgery cost these days? (i use that on parents that want the cheapest open face helmet for their child) Have you ever done something that hurt you later and wished you hadn't? What kind of risks are you willing to take? Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:36:12 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 11:30:05 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Helmet Strap Replacement ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --snip-- > New helmets are cheap. > Um, so can you enlighten us as to where you buy *your* helmets at? I sure don't recall them being cheap. Worth the money, yes ... but not what I consider cheap! ----reply----- I don't know, but $180 for a Shoie RFR (that I have for racing) seems pretty cheap to me. And worth the money too... You can buy them for that price pretty much anywhere. Ride safe.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 12:06:16 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: New helmets vs replacing straps Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:05:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > What do think it would feel like if you were sliding down the > road and > your helmet came off? > 1) The closest shave without using a razor 2) An appointment with God 3) The cork from a wine bottle Oh! That was a rhetorical question? Sorry, Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:33:56 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:16 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: FW: New helmets vs replacing straps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fwsd00003J4 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME Kinda reminds of the time I was on 95 South and saw a WATERMELON slide off the back of a flatbed truck...... it skipped across the road for about 3 or 4 feet (I was suprised it didn't break on impact), then literally *exploded* all over the cage infront of me... man.....am I glad it hit the cage and not me on my bike! yeech! cheers, -aki > X-Priority: 3 > > > What do think it would feel like if you were sliding down the > > road and > > your helmet came off? > > > 1) The closest shave without using a razor > 2) An appointment with God > 3) The cork from a wine bottle > > Oh! That was a rhetorical question? > > Sorry, > > Amit > CBR1000 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:54:45 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:52:43 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fwNi00004ab ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. I have two stories......one funny, the other...well kinda painful... The funny story was about 10 years ago when I was riding in Va. Beach on a backroad coming home from work. I was riding along, minding my own business when this *HUGE* bumblebee flew up into my full face helmet and starting flying back and forth infront of my eyes... scared the beejeezus out of me.......! I guess in situations like that, it's hard to keep ones cool and I freaked and pulled over to the side of the road, jumped off the bike (didn't even THINK about the kickstand) and ran off into a cornfield waving my arms all over the place, shaking my head (now remember that my helmet was *still on*). I must of ran about 50 yards flailing about like an idiot before it dawned on me to LIFT THE VISOR....... humph..as soon as I did that, the bee just flew away..boy did I feel like an idiot... and to add insult to injury, a few of my co-workers were a couple of cars behind me and saw the whole thing..they thought I had *completely* lost my mind, running around the cornfield waving my arms with a big ole helmet waggling around..jeez..... the other story was in actually near the same area where the bee flew in my helmet.......I was riding home from work when a damn sparrow flew down and *imbedded* itself beak first, into my right leg. I had to pull over and yank the bird out...don't know who was more suprised, me or the bird. The bird survived and did I, but I required a quick visit to the doctor for some shots and bandages.......hurt like heck and standing on the side of the road yanking a bird out of my leg while the bird was flapping around like crazy must of been a pretty wierd sight! I'm not even going to mention the time when two rednecks in a pickup truck with Harley bumper stickers (obviously Harley wannbes), passed me then threw their beer cans out the window at me....... on a side note, I had a female friend of mine, while driving down route 7, get hit by *FULL* porta potty that slid off the backend of flatbed........it literally BLEW UP about ten feet in front of her and SPRAYED HER ENTIRE NEW CAR with people poop.. ..man..I can only imagine the smell when it hit her air vents.......!!!!!!!!!!!!! cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:58:46 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Aki.Damme'" Subject: RE: New helmets vs replacing straps Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:57:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I lost a spaghetti squash out of the cargo net off the back of my bike last summer. It didn't smash on impact either, but in my left mirror I got to see it get crunched by the car that was tailgating me. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 1997 1:31 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FW: New helmets vs replacing straps > > > Kinda reminds of the time I was on 95 South and saw a WATERMELON > slide off the back of a flatbed truck...... > > it skipped across the road for about 3 or 4 feet (I was suprised > it didn't break on impact), then literally *exploded* all over the > cage infront of me... > > man.....am I glad it hit the cage and not me on my bike! yeech! > > cheers, > -aki > > > > X-Priority: 3 > > > > > What do think it would feel like if you were sliding down > the > > > road and > > > your helmet came off? > > > > > 1) The closest shave without using a razor > > 2) An appointment with God > > 3) The cork from a wine bottle > > > > Oh! That was a rhetorical question? > > > > Sorry, > > > > Amit > > CBR1000 > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 14:33:17 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:32:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > ---------- > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 1997 1:52 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* > thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. > Well, to start out there's the drum roll... The drum roll appears while cruising (at about 120) on the coast line close to Rome, Italy. It is a low-flying seagull that appears over the sand dunes adjacent to the road. It is a little slow, cannot climb quickly, and will strike the top of your "squid's" fairing, then your helmet, and then your pillions helmet. tips: 1) Remember to wake up again before the S's. 2) Have your helmet buckled. 3) Make sure the pillion is not sitting up straight. (This is why 120 is good). Then there's the tree trunk... The tree trunk is usually donated from the back of a pick-up truck when it goes over a joint on the heavily congested 495 American Legion Bridge. It offers a spectacular sight as it hits the road and starts to disintegrate right before your eyes. Your involvement in the action is to locate the smallest part to hit while lifting your legs to retain ownership of your feet. tips: 1) Pray. Happy Ridin' Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 15:10:16 1997 X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:16:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Several years ago, while riding in Boston on a GPZ-750, a flock of pigeons that had been gathered beside a sidewalk suddenly took off as I rode by them. Two bounced off my fairing, one slid up and hit me squarely on the face shield, nearly tearing my head off. Feathers were everywhere. I hate pigeons. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen, but not forgotten) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 15:27:59 1997 From: "mobacc" To: , Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:24:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The info at http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/DISCUSS.html, Tip #94, grounds my "virtual tach". The motorcycle-based formula, massaged with a bit of spreadsheet work, gave me a little 18-number chart I have posted to my tank: All the inputs were readily available. As an ex-sportycar-driver first-biker, I early on found a need to peg my tachless delight's engine growl (or whine) to the numbers. This has come close -- and, having served and comforted, is soon to pass on. Other Tips on that site have been a boost, also. Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 Downtown D.C. ---------- > From: jcarver@XXXXXX > To: bandit-talk@XXXXXX; suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed > Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 12:01 PM > > Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph > with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the > difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at > 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear > sprockets, of course) Thanks. > > --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:21:32 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e >>snip Then there's the tree trunk... The tree trunk is usually donated from the back of a pick-up truck Well it was'nt a tree trunk, but a peice of cut wood. I was coming home from school (GMU) via 123n just past the post office through old town Fairfax. This is a quick lean left down a hill and then lean right. In the first turn a dump truck dropped a piece of cut stacked wood in my path. I was able to get another twisty turn out of this set just to avoid the log :-) "eric the half of bee"..... I was riding somewhere southwest of springfield on a nice sunny day. It was a little hot so I had my faceshield up. We were aproaching a long sweep left when 'BAM' something smacked me right in the nose. I thought it was a rock so I pulled over to check myself. When I stopped my friend asked what was wrong (he thought I sneezed) and began getting that 'oh gross' look on his face and began laughing. I had half of a bee stuck in my nostril.. ....eeewwWW!! Blew my nose and we were off :-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:52:52 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:54:50 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki.Damme wrote: -->snip<-- > I was riding along, minding my own business when this > *HUGE* bumblebee flew up into my full face helmet --> snip<-- Talking about bees. I swear to God (no lie) I have been stung four times by bees. Once while wearing an open face helmet, one lodged against my temple and reacted predictable for the species; Another time one flew into a hole I had in the armpit of my first Brooks leather (this was before vented jackets ;) and stung me in the pit; Another time one entered my jacket and stung my chest; Two years ago one landed inside my nose (no lie) and stung the inside of the septum (is that what it's called?). That was the nastiest. Now I wear a full-face helmet religiously, gauntlet type gloves and a slightly better leather jacket ;) I know this doesn't beat the woman on Rte 7 story.. but what the hey :) JK (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:21:16 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Check this out... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e ..Got this from the HSTA list. Go to: http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy/nchsta.html and click on 'Randy Foster Spotted' Good for some yuks! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:32:32 1997 From: "Michael Dow" To: "Aki.Damme" , Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:29:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great stuff! Made me laugh out loud. I guess I've been pretty lucky. The largest object to hit me while riding is probably my own bike when I went down last year. Does that count? I've been crapped on a couple of times by birds. I got a grasshopper in the sternum once -- that left a bruise. I certainly haven't had to pull a flapping bird out of my leg, though. At least not yet... -Sash ---------- > From: Aki.Damme > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 1:52 PM > > > To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* > thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. > > I have two stories......one funny, the other...well kinda > painful... > > The funny story was about 10 years ago when I was riding > in Va. Beach on a backroad coming home from work. > I was riding along, minding my own business when this > *HUGE* bumblebee flew up into my full face helmet and > starting flying back and forth infront of my eyes... > scared the beejeezus out of me.......! > I guess in situations like that, it's hard to keep ones > cool and I freaked and pulled over to the side of the > road, jumped off the bike (didn't even THINK about the > kickstand) and ran off into a cornfield waving my arms > all over the place, shaking my head (now remember that > my helmet was *still on*). I must of ran about 50 yards > flailing about like an idiot before it dawned on me > to LIFT THE VISOR....... > > humph..as soon as I did that, the bee just flew away..boy > did I feel like an idiot... > > and to add insult to injury, a few of my co-workers were a > couple of cars behind me and saw the whole thing..they > thought I had *completely* lost my mind, running around > the cornfield waving my arms with a big ole helmet waggling > around..jeez..... > > the other story was in actually near the same area where > the bee flew in my helmet.......I was riding home from > work when a damn sparrow flew down and *imbedded* itself > beak first, into my right leg. I had to pull over and > yank the bird out...don't know who was more suprised, > me or the bird. The bird survived and did I, but I > required a quick visit to the doctor for some shots > and bandages.......hurt like heck and standing on the > side of the road yanking a bird out of my leg while > the bird was flapping around like crazy must of been > a pretty wierd sight! > > I'm not even going to mention the time when two rednecks > in a pickup truck with Harley bumper stickers (obviously > Harley wannbes), passed me then threw their beer cans > out the window at me....... > > on a side note, I had a female friend of mine, while driving > down route 7, get hit by *FULL* porta potty that slid off > the backend of flatbed........it literally BLEW UP about > ten feet in front of her and SPRAYED HER ENTIRE NEW CAR > with people poop.. > > ..man..I can only imagine the smell when it hit her air > vents.......!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > cheers, > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:41:26 1997 From: "mobacc" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:38:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O.K. -- in the Chicken Little category -- Scene 1: July day outside bike shop. Me chatting with the owner of nifty 1200 Sportster: We're touching on safety, helmets, etc. and he starts talking about spherical head checks -- seems he rode motocross some time back with survival dependent on checking up and down. Since this a precaution I mentally downplayed for my benign street riding, the tactic found a niche and went to sleep. Scene 2: A couple of weeks later, Route 50 inbound (remembered to be about the Fairfax County Parkway), moderate traffic, breezy. Me just finishing a change to far left thru lane, probably at 45, just headchecked traffic, plenty of cushions around. Easing through underpass -- subconsciously, What possible hazard from above? Then -- me out from under, peacefully -- and a large party balloon with a 4x6in, probably masonite, plaque swinging on a 3 foot string, settling slowly just yards in front of my helmet, then windshield. Couldn't swerve, just duck -- Clang, Whack. Consternation, tiny panic, brakes from cage behind. Luckily only a chip or two in my shield/helmet, no subsequents. Except more spherical headchecking. ----- Now, of course, if we're gamuting weird (my dictionary says "ei") things hitting -- my visions do wander while driving -- how about thoughts hitting me of What if I were following the cage in the recent "drying pants fly away" TV ad? -- or What if an earthquake -- or . . .. Do these qualify? Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 Downtown D.C. ---------- > From: Aki.Damme > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 1:52 PM > > X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fwNi00004ab ] > X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME >. . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 22:00:24 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:59:57 -0400 X-Sender: jfurlong@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jim Furlong Subject: hitting things I have a good friend who sometimes does wierd things. He was crossing the desert on his beemer when he spotted, far ahead, a snake slithering across the road. He veered slightly so he would run right over the snake mid-length. The snake must have tensed up as the wheel hit it. The next instant my friend had a very angry rattler coiled around his left cylinder head! My friend did a ballet-like leg split wherein his feet were nearly as high as his shoulders. He lost control of the bike and ran off the road and fell. When he stopped tumbling and got up and cautiously returned to the bike the snake was gone. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 23:01:51 1997 From: bsajim@XXXXXX Errors-To: Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:59:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aki.Damme" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great thread all! Just had to add my experience. Hit a blinkin' skunk summer before last. No real danger but I found out the hard way that, while tomato juice works great on dogs, it ain't worth a hoot on bikes! Had to trash my jeans, too. Cheers Jim Carr 61 BSA A10 65 BSA A65L/R 69 BSA A65T 70 BSA B44VS 96 Enfield Bullet 500 85 Yamaha TY 350 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 23:07:35 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:21:46 -0400 From: Stephen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From wierdest, I shall take that only one thing is required. I guess that would have to be the billboard, though I wasn't on the bike at the time. It did a few very spectacular GP style endo's immediately prior to flying through the billboard, and into the adjacent field. The hole in the billboard was bike sized, and located approximately six feet off the ground. The bike went through belly first. Okay, now I'm dying to hear wierder than this. > > To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* > > thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 23:49:29 1997 From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:48:31 -0400 (EDT) To: mdow@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... I've got a friend who told me about the time he was riding along and somehow had a cardboard box land right on top of his head. Must've been a strange sight. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 00:20:18 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: <971002234556_1232259300@emout12.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeow! On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 MARKSOMM@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got a friend who told me about the time he was riding along and somehow > had a cardboard box land right on top of his head. Must've been a strange > sight. Nice helmet, Do0D!! 8-o I remember riding on 601 near Mt. Weather this Summer when I felt some bug fly in up my jacket sleeve, past my elbow, round the armpit, and down my back. Fortunately it wasn't inclined to throw rocks^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H sting. Sure felt weird though. %-} -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 00:55:30 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:50:30 -0700 From: ameadows X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schulz CC: jcarver@XXXXXX, bandit-talk@XXXXXX, Suzuki List , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Schulz wrote: > I'm sure you're sick of calculating speed for semi-trucks, so why > don't > you calculate the shift speed for the RF900R??? > > Chris > '94 RF900R 1. I dont have or want a RF900R. (They're Geneticaly Challenged.) 2. My speedometer works. (Don't RF900Rs) 3. You have the formula you figure it out. (Will email discount coupon for batteries for calculator.) I have used that formula for motorcycles as well, but the driver is usualy dead. Have a good one! Austin GS1100+EZ (1230) "Life begins with a twist of the wrist" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:20:06 1997 X-ROUTED: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:13:26 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: weirdest things hit Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:16:48 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I had a spider drop into my helmet as I was slowing going down a country road Visor up and glass on, he was a quick crawler to I had to stop and take the helmet to get him out. Nothing like being tickle the hell out of your nose. The other was a diving bird right into the windscreen, luckily wasn't going fast and he lived and flew away. I think the jiffy john would be the worse Good Advice: If you are anywhere near anything that has a load on the back of it imagine the worse and avoid the situation all together, thats my story and I'm sticking to it. CK Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:24:23 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Jim Furlong Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:26:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hitting things CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > I have a good friend who sometimes does wierd things. He was crossing the > desert on his beemer when he spotted, far ahead, a snake slithering across > the road. He veered slightly so he would run right over the snake > mid-length. The snake must have tensed up as the wheel hit it. Thats not weird. Thats cruel. Sick. Ignorant. The snake was in HIS home territory, out looking for food and just in general trying to survive. (keeping the rodent population under control at the same time) So, your friend goes into the snakes home, and even though the snake was absolutely NO threat, your friend tried to kill him. Wounded him, absolutely. Possibly mortally. But did it on purpose. If Id been there, it would have been your FRIEND that would have been slithering away. I hate assholes that kill snakes "just for the fun of it". > instant my friend had a very angry rattler coiled around his left cylinder > head! My friend did a ballet-like leg split wherein his feet were nearly as > high as his shoulders. He lost control of the bike and ran off the road and > fell. He shoulda been bitten. He did it on purpose. Trying to kill for NO DAMN REASON but the FUN of killing an animal!! Or to see it suffer. Wow. What fun. Assholes..... > > When he stopped tumbling and got up and cautiously returned to the > bike the snake was gone. > Probably crawled off to slowly and agonizingly die. 'course, your friend doesnt care about that. Squeakers- mother to 2 snakes, 4 chameleons, 5 tarantulas, 1 lovebird and a dog (plus the occasional toad and turtle my daughter brings home. But we always just watch them, feed them, then take them to a safe water and food filled place to let them go) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:41:05 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:04:31 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: <3434344A.1A24@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I caught flies twice. I had a motocross helmet with the ear pads cut out so I could hear the wind when hang gliding. I wore that on my first bike and caught a fly on the left side, with the fly buzzing around in my ear. Convinced it was a bee, I pulled off the road and jerked my helmet off my head. Figuring it was just a chance encounter, I carried on. A week later it happened again ... convinced it REALLY was a bee, I pulled off the road and jerked my helmet off my head. So then I bought a face shield. :-) Chris Norloff P.S. In my dirt riding days, I caught a dragonfly between my goggles and my helmet. At 50mph, I took quite a hit. Visibility was "different" with dragonfly guts all over my goggles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:41:05 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 07:53:47 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Weirdest thing to hit me? How about the weirdest things I've avoided: 1. A desk. Riding along on a four-lane highway, watching a few brake lights ahead. A desk (though without a bureaucrat) was sitting in the left lane. 2. Pieces of flying tire. Tractor-trailer blew a tire in front of me at 70mph. First I heard what sounded like a gunshot, then a blue haze came from underneath the truck, then flying pieces of tire. I tucked in behind my tiny fairing and swerved back and forth, dodging the bigger pieces. In my mirrors I could see cars all over the road. It was a stinking-hot day, and I was barely staying cool. My protective gear felt fine after that episode. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:57:58 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:57:21 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* > > thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. The hailstone that knocked off one of my spot mirrors while riding West on I-70 in Utah. Fifteen minutes earlier, the sun was shining, 15 minutes later, the sun was shining again. I wasn't going to stop, but the guy I was riding with wouldn't keep going. Stopping meant spending another 5 minutes inside the storm. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:01:03 1997 From: SackcoD@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:00:24 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... It's late spring, early summer. Riding on a two lane road, a school bus approaches from the opposite direction. At the moment we are adjacent I feel like I've been punched in the stomach. I look down and find a cupcake sitting on my tank. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:02:59 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:00:09 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2. Pieces of flying tire. Tractor-trailer blew a tire in front of me at 70mph. First I heard what sounded like a gunshot, then a blue haze came from underneath the truck, then flying pieces of tire. I tucked in behind my tiny fairing and swerved back and forth, dodging the bigger pieces. In my mirrors I could see cars all over the road. It was a stinking-hot day, and I was barely staying cool. My protective gear felt fine after that ------reply------- I've been there - Some friends and I were traveling along a Montana interstate at arround 120mph - me in second. We were passing a car (not a very rapid overtake - he was doing 100 or so) and I see the car swerve to the right a little - next thing I see is half a tire that's been kicked up about head high and flight right at mine. I ducked and gassed the bike - I think I felt it scrape along the top of my head.... Best I've ever seen was on a ride returning from Skyline Drive - 3 bikes, me in third.... we're all going arround 80-90 and this bike come streaking in on the second rider... next it's going straight up.. I ride under it, and look in the mirror as it hits the ground... It was a sight that had me laughing most the way home (not about the death of the bird, just the way it chose to go out). And bees? I used to ride without a faceshield in the summer - till I got a bee stuck between the helm and my temple - musta been a wasp actualy, or a queen bee can it stung me about 8 timees before I squashed it with a gloved finger. And arround here, those damn big black bugs that seem to like to fly down my shirt and bite me.... I'm going along hitting my chest and everywhere else I can feel it attempting to kill the damn thing - gotta look funny, a rider in 'Stich, hitting himself on the chest and sides while going slightly abover the posted limit and cornering - I must say that those little buggers never die... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:18:37 1997 From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone going to Midnight Madness Date: 3 Oct 97 9:04:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or know the details as to time and directions..... I'm thinking of going up to do a little drag racing tonight (even got permission from the wife) but I'd much rather go up with people I know (or at least know of :) So if you're interested, let me know so I can head out of work early enough to go....Also, if you respond, be sure to copy to this e-mail address as these ancient machines at work can't swap accounts to check mail (list goes to the house) Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:36:44 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:38:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) A big bird hit my windshield then went bouncing across the street. It WOULDA hit ME in the chest if I hadnt had the windshield. But the ICKYEST thing was a big bug hit me SO damn hard that part of the guts went into my arm!!! (like a splinter) I had to get my buff puff and scrub the stuff out and off. YUCK! Totally grossed me out. Hurt like hell, too. 'Course, you always get the big oozey filled bugs that splat on your sunglasses and part of it goes on your face so you have to pull over to wipe it all off, or you wont be able to see. EWWWWW!! Thanks a lot to whoever started this thread. Much as I love my PET tarantulas, OTHER bugs just make me cringe. Now Im thinkin about em. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:07:47 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:14:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I once had a neighbor's Pit Bull run out in front of me, so I gassed it and ran over the son of a bitch. It broke the dogs leg and caused me to go down. I bent the handle bars pretty good and broke off one of the foot pegs. This was one stupid damn dog. They told me that it chased me because it thought I was just another toy for it to chase. I had the bike back in shape in about two hours. By that time the owner came home from the veterinarian and had the nerve to come over and tell me that he was'nt going to press any charges. It was all I could do to keep from punching his lights out. And then there was the time I was heading south on I95 between Springfield and Woodbridge on Christmas Eve 2 or 3 years ago. The wind was blowing briskly from east to west. And there was all kinds of construction work being done to I95. I was riding in the far left lane with moderate to heavy traffic all around me. Suddenly I see an object move from the shoulder over into my lane. The wind had caused one of those orange and white plastic barrels that Department of Transportation use, to move partially into my lane. It was on its side, and because it did not have its base attached, it made it easy for the wind to blow it out into oncomming traffic. For a moment I thought I would get by it because it stopped moving about a third of the way into my lane. But then at the last momemt the wind caught it again and it moved square into the middle of the lane. With no room for me to change lanes I had no choice but to hit it dead on. My front tire hit it, the bike shuddered violently and the barrel slid back over onto the shoulder. Somehow I was able to keep the bike upright. I wasted no time in getting off of 95, and finished my trip by using Route 1 instead. I would sure like to talk to the sorry DOT worker that let that barrel get seperatied from its weighted base. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:35:27 1997 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:35:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT Never had this problem since I wear a full faced helmet. It must really look funny with bug guts all over your face. ;-) Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > 'Course, you always get the big oozey filled bugs that splat on your >sunglasses and part of it goes on your face so you have to pull over >to wipe it all off, or you wont be able to see. EWWWWW!! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:40:11 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:38:14 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: "Griff, David" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe it's cause I am hung over but this stories really bugs me. What if a cager told a similar story about some crazy motorcyclist who cut them off, so they gunned it and hit him, the tread would last for weeks. The dog followed its instinct and you condemned it. Could you have stop in time? Sure the dog should have been on a short leash, the owner should watch the dog better. But sh%t happens. Some people should not have dogs and some squids should not ride but until I am God the wrong people will do the wrong things. I am not saying you should not ride or that the neighbor should not have a dog. I am saying hurting a dog for doing what it thought was fun and natural is wrong. If it was my dog you would have been in the vet too. Jay Goddard 94 ZX9R 96 boxer puppy sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: I once had a neighbor's Pit Bull run out in front of me, so I gassed it and > ran over the son of a bitch. It broke the dogs leg and caused me to > go > down. I bent the handle bars pretty good and broke off one of the > foot > pegs. This was one stupid damn dog. They told me that it chased me > because it thought I was just another toy for it to chase. I had the > bike > back in shape in about two hours. By that time the owner came home > from the > veterinarian and had the nerve to come over and tell me that he was'nt > > going to press any charges. It was all I could do to keep from > punching > his lights out. > > And then there was the time I was heading south on I95 between > Springfield > and Woodbridge on Christmas Eve 2 or 3 years ago. The wind was > blowing > briskly from east to west. And there was all kinds of construction > work > being done to I95. I was riding in the far left lane with moderate to > > heavy traffic all around me. Suddenly I see an object move from the > shoulder over into my lane. The wind had caused one of those orange > and > white plastic barrels that Department of Transportation use, to move > partially into my lane. It was on its side, and because it did not > have > its base attached, it made it easy for the wind to blow it out into > oncomming traffic. For a moment I thought I would get by it because > it > stopped moving about a third of the way into my lane. But then at the > last > momemt the wind caught it again and it moved square into the middle of > the > lane. With no room for me to change lanes I had no choice but to hit > it > dead on. My front tire hit it, the bike shuddered violently and the > barrel > slid back over onto the shoulder. Somehow I was able to keep the bike > > upright. I wasted no time in getting off of 95, and finished my trip > by > using Route 1 instead. I would sure like to talk to the sorry DOT > worker > that let that barrel get seperatied from its weighted base. > > Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:45:06 1997 From: Robert Johnston To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:46:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. The owner of the dog was negligent in its training and was ultimately at fault. 2. Mistakes do occur. 3. If I made a mistake and allowed one of my dogs "run out in front of you" and you exhibited behavior, that established in my mind, that you took deliberate action to hit the animal with your vehicle, I would have rendered your bike permanently unridable and attempted to do the same to you. 4. The last son of a bitch that molested one of my family's dogs, left the scene sans truck and picking 000 shot out of his ass and legs. BTB the sheriff wrote him up for vandalism and cruelty to animals. I may be a redneck, but I'm big and I shoot well and I defend my own. -----Original Message----- From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 10:14 AM To: aki.damme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... I once had a neighbor's Pit Bull run out in front of me, so I gassed it and ran over the son of a bitch. It broke the dogs leg and caused me to go down. I bent the handle bars pretty good and broke off one of the foot pegs. This was one stupid damn dog. They told me that it chased me because it thought I was just another toy for it to chase. I had the bike back in shape in about two hours. By that time the owner came home from the veterinarian and had the nerve to come over and tell me that he was'nt going to press any charges. It was all I could do to keep from punching his lights out. And then there was the time I was heading south on I95 between Springfield and Woodbridge on Christmas Eve 2 or 3 years ago. The wind was blowing briskly from east to west. And there was all kinds of construction work being done to I95. I was riding in the far left lane with moderate to heavy traffic all around me. Suddenly I see an object move from the shoulder over into my lane. The wind had caused one of those orange and white plastic barrels that Department of Transportation use, to move partially into my lane. It was on its side, and because it did not have its base attached, it made it easy for the wind to blow it out into oncomming traffic. For a moment I thought I would get by it because it stopped moving about a third of the way into my lane. But then at the last momemt the wind caught it again and it moved square into the middle of the lane. With no room for me to change lanes I had no choice but to hit it dead on. My front tire hit it, the bike shuddered violently and the barrel slid back over onto the shoulder. Somehow I was able to keep the bike upright. I wasted no time in getting off of 95, and finished my trip by using Route 1 instead. I would sure like to talk to the sorry DOT worker that let that barrel get seperatied from its weighted base. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:53:05 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:55:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Never had this problem since I wear a full faced helmet. It must really > look funny with bug guts all over your face. ;-) > Its positively disgusting, but they dont get all over your face. What happens is they splat on your glasses, and the guts sorta kinda squoosh over the glasses and onto your face. I dont know what kinda bugs they are, but they're big and hard and HURT when they hit your body and there's been a LOT of them this year. And they have lots of guts... That DONT wipe off easy. Anyone know what kind of bugs these nasty creatures are? Besides being kamakaze bugs, I mean. Like I said. BIG. HARD. HURT. GUTS. and it aint the least bit funny. makes my skin crawl! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:12:32 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:14:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > 1. The owner of the dog was negligent in its training and was ultimately at fault. > Speakin of dogs. Theres a beautiful country road that I love to go riding on, but it used to have a spot where this one german shepherd lived and ALWAYS ran out and tried to attack us as we rode by. My ol'man would always position himself so HE would be the one the dog would go after, while I rode by. (aint he sweet?) I was thinkin about how to get that damn dog to stop goin after us, since the owners had NO intention of trying to stop him. (one time I SAW them WATCH him) What I ended up doing was getting a good size 10% pepper spray and using velcro attached it to my bike. I INTENDED to give that animal a face full of heat (as opposed to just shooting the bastard) but the next time I rode by, he was gone. He hasnt been out since. Bet a car finally took that creature down. Hope so, at least. I mean.. they didnt CARE that he was a menace. They didnt even TRY and stop him. They just WATCHED him. So, Im still thinkin that pepper spray is the answer, but havent had the opportunity to try it out yet. Which, obviously, is a good thing, cuz the idea of havin to spray something while its trying to attack me WHILE Im RIDING doesnt thrill me. I just need a better way to attach it to my bike. Something that makes it sturdy, yet easily grabbable. One handed grabbable, that is. Damn pistol's easier to get to than the pepper, but its the PEPPER I NEED to get to if its a dog thats after me. No permanent harm. Just a face full of misery for a while, and MAYBE second thoughts about DOING it again. Unless, of course, its a little dog. I just swerve around them, cuz they cant hurt me. Lift your legs and go on by. They're cute. Tiny dogs that THINK they're pit bulls. I once had a parakeet that thought it was an eagle. :) :) Squeakers-rambling From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:20:34 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 11:15:28 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, so we should never hurt anyone or anything that doing what it thinks is fun and natural? I'm sure Dhalmer thought what he was doing was fun and natural... Or does this only apply to animals.. wait, we are animals. Oh, maybe we should know better - but then again sometimes people have mental problems. Hrmm... I can't find my way though this statment........ brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I am saying hurting a dog for doing what it thought was fun and natural is wrong. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:32:48 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:32:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hitting Dogs & Snakes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, don't we have a RIGHT to run over things in the road? And if we don't exercise that right, and defend that right, then the government will take that right away from us. Don't EVER give up your rights. (TONGUE IN CHEEK; THIS IS SATIRE!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:39:27 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: CCS At Summit: Crow Bar X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Anyone planning on riding up to the races tommorrow? Anyone planning to stay and camp for Sunday as well. The Crow Bar will be there hosting a party. Write back and let's hook up. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:45:42 1997 From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'SackcoD@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:43:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain FALLING DOWN LAUGHING. That's the best one I've heard yet. > -----Original Message----- > From: SackcoD@XXXXXX [SMTP:SackcoD@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 9:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > > It's late spring, early summer. Riding on a two lane road, a school > bus > approaches from the opposite direction. At the moment we are adjacent > I feel > like I've been punched in the stomach. I look down and find a cupcake > sitting on my tank. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:48:32 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: goddardj@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:55:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Maybe it's cause I am hung over but this stories really bugs me. What >if a cager told a similar story about some crazy motorcyclist who cut >them off, so they gunned it and hit him, the tread would last for >weeks. Comparing apples and oranges aren't we? >The dog followed its instinct and you condemned it. If this dogs instinct is to run out in front of moving vehicles, then it won't be long before it's dead anyway. If I had been in a cage, then it would be dead for sure. >Could you have stop in time? No I could not have stopped in time. I probably should have said that I gassed it to try and get around the dog. It didn't work and I ended up running over the dog. >Sure the dog should have been on a short leash, Duh!! >the owner should watch the dog better. Duh!! >But sh%t happens. Some people >should not have dogs and some squids should not ride but until I am God >the wrong people will do the wrong things. I am not saying you should >not ride or that the neighbor should not have a dog. I am saying >hurting a dog for doing what it thought was fun and natural is wrong. I never set out to try and hurt anyone or anything. I like animals. Much more than most people. But when an irresponsible, brain dead owner lets his pet put its own life, along with my life and property into jeopardy, that's where I draw the line. And this owner stepped over the line. >If it was my dog you would have been in the vet too. You think so huh? Lets see here. 1. Owner (you) lets his dog run free which causes an accident with personnel and property injury. 2. Owner (you) attacks injured rider of trashed motorcycle. 3. Rider defends himself (me) from unprovoked and irrational attacker (you) 4. Rider calls police and has owner arrested for assault. 5. Police escorts owner to infirmary to treat the injuries that I inflict on him and then to a jail cell to await bail. That about covers it. Have a nice day! Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:51:05 1997 From: jcarver@XXXXXX To: Subject: Test Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:51:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a test of the D.C. cycles list. I have not received any new mail for about 1-2 weeks. Thanks. --John jcarver@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:58:15 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:56:15 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: "Griff, David" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well now we can compare a dogs brian to Dhalmers, We can talk about if Dhalmer thought what he was doing was wrong. My point is the dog did not know any better. The dog was most likely not insane. The dog was not eating another dog in front of the motorcycle. He was most likely just "playing" he should be trained not to "play" with cars bikes or what ever. But in all the dog books I have read no where did it say run over dog with bike so it learns to stay away. Are you really SURE Dhalmer thought what he was doing was fun and natural? Brian McCoy wrote: > ok, so we should never hurt anyone or anything that doing what it > > thinks is fun and natural? I'm sure Dhalmer thought what he was > doing > was fun and natural... Or does this only apply to animals.. wait, > we > are animals. Oh, maybe we should know better - but then again > sometimes people have mental problems. Hrmm... I can't find my > way > though this statment........ > > brian > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > > I am saying hurting a dog for doing what it thought was fun and > > natural is wrong. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:59:46 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: jcarver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:02:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Test CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > This is a test of the D.C. cycles list. I have not received any new > mail for about 1-2 weeks. > Thanks. > > --John > jcarver@XXXXXX > > Thats because we've been hiding all the posts from you. Squeakers all right, all right. No, we havent. Sheesh. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:05:00 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:03:32 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199710031452.KAA13841@smtp2.erols.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fSgc00007Q7 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME it's probably rice bugs...I know that one time I had a *pregnant* one hit my face shield and it made that loud SPLAT and then little tiny maggot like creatures, THOUSANDS OF THEM, started crawling all over my face shield....it was terminally gross..it took me over an hour when I got home to get all those LIVE little wormy thingies (tm) from out of my faceshield and helmet padding.......yeeeeeccccchhhhh..I washed my face and hair for an hour after that...... -aki > Comments: Authenticated sender is > > > > Never had this problem since I wear a full faced helmet. It must really > > look funny with bug guts all over your face. ;-) > > > > > Its positively disgusting, but they dont get all over your face. > What happens is they splat on your glasses, and the guts sorta kinda > squoosh over the glasses and onto your face. I dont know what kinda > bugs they are, but they're big and hard and HURT when they hit your > body and there's been a LOT of them this year. And they have lots of > guts... That DONT wipe off easy. Anyone know what kind of bugs these > nasty creatures are? Besides being kamakaze bugs, I mean. Like I > said. BIG. HARD. HURT. GUTS. > > and it aint the least bit funny. makes my skin crawl! > > Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:09:10 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: "Aki.Damme" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:11:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > it's probably rice bugs...I know that one time I had > a *pregnant* one hit my face shield and it made that > loud SPLAT and then little tiny maggot like creatures, > THOUSANDS OF THEM, started crawling all over my face Jeez.. thank you. I feel MUCH better now. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:37:01 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: goddardj@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:36:08 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > >If it was my dog you would have been in the vet too. > > You think so huh? > Lets see here. > > 1. Owner (you) lets his dog run free which causes an accident with > personnel and property injury. > > 2. Owner (you) attacks injured rider of trashed motorcycle. > > 3. Rider defends himself (me) from unprovoked and irrational attacker > (you) > > 4. Rider calls police and has owner arrested for assault. > > 5. Police escorts owner to infirmary to treat the injuries that I > inflict > on him and then to a jail cell to await bail. > > That about covers it. > Have a nice day! > It's not mateing season is it? I see a lot of chest puffing and plumage waving here. Steve, in your original post, it sounded like you INTENTIONALLY hit the dog. If that is not the case, then OK accidents happen. I hit a rabbit one time, in the cage, but did everything short of going in a ditch to avoid it. Still felt awful about it, but it was unavoidable. I think your original post was misleading. --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:58:51 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 12:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Steve, in your original post, it sounded like you INTENTIONALLY hit the dog. If that is not the case, then OK accidents happen. I hit a rabbit one time, in the cage, but did everything short of going in a ditch to avoid it. Still felt awful about it, but it was unavoidable. There is a bit of wisdom that says "if it's no more than you can eat in one meal, run it over". Let me explain. Trying to avoid a rabbit/squirral or any similar small animal may have you (a much larger animal) playing land comet. Grab on tight and hit the damn thing if you must. I have heard too many tales of people totally trashing their bikes and spending time in a hospital for attempting to miss the animal at the last second. I'm not advocating running down animals. Just have some sense about the situation. As Brian M. tends to say - "Ride Safe" Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:01:17 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 12:59:21 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Griff, David" , "Lisa@XXXXXX" Subject: (no subject) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this was so on topic I could not resist. Retired dog trainer Jeremiah Gerbracht, who beat a traffic ticket for riding with his dog on his Harley-Davidson two years ago is gearing up to fight the same battle all over again. The Los Angeles man was ticketed again Wednesday night for riding his motorcycle with his Siberian husky, Lady Harley, sitting in front of him on his seat. Gerbracht was previously cited for riding with Lady Harley in the same position in 1995, apparently violating a portion of state vehicle code that states no one driving a motor vehicle "shall knowingly permit any person to ride on any vehicle or upon any portion thereof not designated or intended for the use of passengers." A judge ruled in Gerbracht's favor, saying a dog cannot be considered a person and "the mere fact of a dog on a motorcycle does not appear to be covered" in the vehicle code. Gerbracht said he also expects to beat this new ticket because even though this citation is for a different section of the vehicle code, his dog is still a dog and not a person. "The LAPD is still insisting that Lady Harley is a person," said Gerbracht on Thursday. Police cited Gerbracht this time for allowing a person to willingly interfere with the driver of a vehicle. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:30:26 1997 From: Robert Johnston To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:31:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my other two wheeled sport, I've use pepper spray and just water from a water bottle to very good effect. -----Original Message----- From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 7:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > 1. The owner of the dog was negligent in its training and was ultimately at fault. > Speakin of dogs. Theres a beautiful country road that I love to go riding on, but it used to have a spot where this one german shepherd lived and ALWAYS ran out and tried to attack us as we rode by. My ol'man would always position himself so HE would be the one the dog would go after, while I rode by. (aint he sweet?) I was thinkin about how to get that damn dog to stop goin after us, since the owners had NO intention of trying to stop him. (one time I SAW them WATCH him) What I ended up doing was getting a good size 10% pepper spray and using velcro attached it to my bike. I INTENDED to give that animal a face full of heat (as opposed to just shooting the bastard) but the next time I rode by, he was gone. He hasnt been out since. Bet a car finally took that creature down. Hope so, at least. I mean.. they didnt CARE that he was a menace. They didnt even TRY and stop him. They just WATCHED him. So, Im still thinkin that pepper spray is the answer, but havent had the opportunity to try it out yet. Which, obviously, is a good thing, cuz the idea of havin to spray something while its trying to attack me WHILE Im RIDING doesnt thrill me. I just need a better way to attach it to my bike. Something that makes it sturdy, yet easily grabbable. One handed grabbable, that is. Damn pistol's easier to get to than the pepper, but its the PEPPER I NEED to get to if its a dog thats after me. No permanent harm. Just a face full of misery for a while, and MAYBE second thoughts about DOING it again. Unless, of course, its a little dog. I just swerve around them, cuz they cant hurt me. Lift your legs and go on by. They're cute. Tiny dogs that THINK they're pit bulls. I once had a parakeet that thought it was an eagle. :) :) Squeakers-rambling From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:34:38 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Todd B Peer'" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:33:55 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Todd's point is well taken and is accentuated on dirt roads. And alot of dirt roads are out "in the country" where most of the non-domesticated animals are anyway. I had a friend loose it on a dirt road and total his truck after he made only a little, but hasty steering correction to avoid a small animal. Truck spun into a ditch. He claims that he saw it and it was just instinctive to try to avoid it. Probably was. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Todd B Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 12:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > > Steve, in your original post, it sounded like you INTENTIONALLY hit > the > dog. If that is not the case, then OK accidents happen. I hit a > rabbit > one time, in the cage, but did everything short of going in a ditch to > avoid it. Still felt awful about it, but it was unavoidable. > > There is a bit of wisdom that says "if it's no more than you can > eat in one meal, run it over". > > Let me explain. Trying to avoid a rabbit/squirral or any similar > small animal may have you (a much larger animal) playing land > comet. Grab on tight and hit the damn thing if you must. I have > heard too many tales of people totally trashing their bikes and > spending time in a hospital for attempting to miss the animal > at the last second. > > I'm not advocating running down animals. Just have some sense > about the situation. > > As Brian M. tends to say - "Ride Safe" > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:41:46 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Well now we can compare a dogs brian.... Hey Brian. When did you become a dogs pet :) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:48:31 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:54:55 -0400 Subject: Re: (no subject) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=KRpypa8rOjdNmP4DanqxPyhJEujcDKnkqc1fO01KMf6vDAP63g3RP2L4" --0__=KRpypa8rOjdNmP4DanqxPyhJEujcDKnkqc1fO01KMf6vDAP63g3RP2L4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII These cops remind me of the joke that Todd sent out to us a while ago. A man enters in a doctor's room and says "I've been told you have discovered a machine that can lower one's IQ. I am very interested in it, since I have no success with women. They all think I am too boring when I try to have a conversation with them. My actual IQ is around 250, and I'd like to have it down to 120." "Well," says the doctor, "if you really want that, there's no problem. Just sit in this chair and put this bowl on your head." The doctor then pushes a button. The IQ starts to drop 250, 230, 200, 150, 120. At this moment, the doctor tried to push the stop button, but it was stuck! Down goes the IQ 99, 90, 80, 70. He tries again and again, but it remains stuck. The IQ drops 40, 30, 20, 10, 7, 5, 2. He finally succeeds. The man removes the bowl, stands up, looks at the doctor, walks around the machine and finally asks the doctor, "May I please see your license, registration and insurance papers?" (Embedded image moved goddardj@XXXXXX to file: 10/03/97 12:59 PM PIC23331.PCX) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dgriff@XXXXXX, Lisa@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Steve Beck/ISI) Subject: (no subject) this was so on topic I could not resist. Retired dog trainer Jeremiah Gerbracht, who beat a traffic ticket for riding with his dog on his Harley-Davidson two years ago is gearing up to fight the same battle all over again. The Los Angeles man was ticketed again Wednesday night for riding his motorcycle with his Siberian husky, Lady Harley, sitting in front of him on his seat. Gerbracht was previously cited for riding with Lady Harley in the same position in 1995, apparently violating a portion of state vehicle code that states no one driving a motor vehicle "shall knowingly permit any person to ride on any vehicle or upon any portion thereof not designated or intended for the use of passengers." A judge ruled in Gerbracht's favor, saying a dog cannot be considered a person and "the mere fact of a dog on a motorcycle does not appear to be covered" in the vehicle code. Gerbracht said he also expects to beat this new ticket because even though this citation is for a different section of the vehicle code, his dog is still a dog and not a person. "The LAPD is still insisting that Lady Harley is a person," said Gerbracht on Thursday. 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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:07:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 12:03 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > it's probably rice bugs...I know that one time I had > a *pregnant* one hit my face shield and it made that > loud SPLAT and then little tiny maggot like creatures, > THOUSANDS OF THEM, started crawling all over my face > shield....it was terminally gross..it took me over > an hour when I got home to get all those LIVE little > wormy thingies (tm) from out of my faceshield and > helmet padding.......yeeeeeccccchhhhh..I washed my > face and hair for an hour after that...... > > -aki > Where in gods name do you ride? Didn't they tell you not to ride in sewer tunnels? Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:09:19 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:06:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y'all- My Quantum/s is _much_ cheaper than my head. It's not as cheap as a baseball hat, but in the grand scheme of things, $375 is not much. And you don't have to get a Quantum/s, you can buy Snell approved helmets for $200 or less if you aren't too concerned about wind noise, weight, aerodynamics, etc. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:11:02 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Jim Furlong" Subject: Re: hitting snakes Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:08:14 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, he got what he deserved, I'd say. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:11:32 1997 From: To: Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:08:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT Hey all, Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to anyone. :-( Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big gathering that I'm missing out on? Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:23:01 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:25:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > Horkster > > > Well, whatever it is, Im missin out on it too. Dammit. I wanna go on a long ride. Pack up the bikes and GO. A coupla weeks otta be good enough. Just get away and go anywhere. No itinerary. Go where ya want. Stop when you choose. Just go. Squeakers-wantin to go From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:34:13 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:31:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Promise Keepers? > Hey all, > > Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both > had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the > waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass > through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but > many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to > 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been > traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to > anyone. :-( > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > Horkster > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:41:26 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:38:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, y'all-- I think it was a question of what hit us, not what we hit. I got hit in the shoulder by a bird while bicycling. It sounded like somebody threw a newspaper at me. The bird survived. Frances, the woman to whom I sold my 92 VFR, had a story.... I should preface this by saying she is, um, uh, amply, um, endowed. Yeah, that's it. Anyway, she had a bee hit her in the chest while riding on I-95 with her jacket not fully zipped. The bee went down her shirt and into her bra, whereupon it decided that stinging would be a good idea. So it did. Frances pulled off the road as promptly as possible and made haste to extract the bee from her brasierre. This involved removing all constraining garments. You get the picture. (No, I don't have pictures. Sorry.) I think the guy who hit the snake is a loathsome s.o.b (no, I don't have a pet snake, but I rescued a run-over snake from the road who lived a long happy life in my yard, after I took the seats and carpet out of the car to get him out) If the guy who hit the dog tried to avoid it, he's ok, but should have been more clear. I agree that we shouldn't risk wrecking to avoid an animal, but everything up to that point is our duty as humans. I hit a dog on my 73 CB750. Did everything I could to avoid it, but hit it in the head with my crashbar. Somebody contacted the owner and took it to the vet. I don't know if it survived and I hate that I had to hit it. Yes, the owner was an irresponsible moron, but it wasn't him in the road, unfortunately. That's all I have to say about that. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:47:11 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: air compressor has a new home Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:44:19 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, all. My broken air compressor will be leaving soon. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:48:22 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:48:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Dog Riders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dog Max rides with me all the time. Nobody ever tried giving us a ticket, or accusing Max of being a person. Of course, maybe that's because Max rides in back, not in front. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:50:55 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:48:09 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fUUA00004d8 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME They're promise keepers...saw an article a couple of years ago that showed that 20 or 30 thousand bikers attend this event and it's being held at RFK this weekend, they expect upwards of 1 million men there... Squeakers here's your chance..1 million male slaves.. outta last ya atleast a couple of months before you have to throw them away.. ;-) cheers, -aki > Hey all, > > Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both > had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the > waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass > through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but > many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to > 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been > traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to > anyone. :-( > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > Horkster > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:52:34 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:49:16 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fUWx00004fT ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME hey *anybody* can drive on a girly girl ROAD... > X-Priority: 3 > > > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 12:03 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > > > it's probably rice bugs...I know that one time I had > > a *pregnant* one hit my face shield and it made that > > loud SPLAT and then little tiny maggot like creatures, > > THOUSANDS OF THEM, started crawling all over my face > > shield....it was terminally gross..it took me over > > an hour when I got home to get all those LIVE little > > wormy thingies (tm) from out of my faceshield and > > helmet padding.......yeeeeeccccchhhhh..I washed my > > face and hair for an hour after that...... > > > > -aki > > > Where in gods name do you ride? Didn't they tell you not to ride in > sewer tunnels? > > Amit > CBR1000 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:08:27 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:05:13 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971003184035.AAA5536@default> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fVc000004LD ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME On a simliar note we were driving home one evening last summer and came across a cat that had been hit lying in the middle of the road.....all of the cars in front of us just basically drove around it thinking it was dead but something made us stop to check...... the poor kitty had a huge gash on the side of it's head and looked like part of it's ribs had been crushed but it was definately alive... She made a faint meow when we came over to her but we talked to her softly and very carefully picked her up and rushed her to an animal hospital..they didn't think she would live but we wanted them to call us either way the next day (they said it would take atleast the next 24 hours after surgery to know if she'd make it). The next day they said that, miraculously, she survived and should make a full recovery. Another lady who had stopped to direct traffic and assist us adopted the kitty (when we dropped the cat off at the vet, we went door to door for about three blocks from the "accident" to try and find the owner and nobody knew who's cat it was..it had a collar so we know it was someones pet). Today, the kitty is fine and living a very fat and protected life INDOORS... cheers, -aki (who is slave to two cats and a dobie)...... > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > > Hey, y'all-- > > I think it was a question of what hit us, not what we hit. > > I got hit in the shoulder by a bird while bicycling. It sounded like > somebody threw a newspaper at me. The bird survived. > > Frances, the woman to whom I sold my 92 VFR, had a story.... I should > preface this by saying she is, um, uh, amply, um, endowed. Yeah, that's > it. Anyway, she had a bee hit her in the chest while riding on I-95 with > her jacket not fully zipped. The bee went down her shirt and into her bra, > whereupon it decided that stinging would be a good idea. So it did. > Frances pulled off the road as promptly as possible and made haste to > extract the bee from her brasierre. This involved removing all > constraining garments. You get the picture. (No, I don't have pictures. > Sorry.) > > I think the guy who hit the snake is a loathsome s.o.b (no, I don't have a > pet snake, but I rescued a run-over snake from the road who lived a long > happy life in my yard, after I took the seats and carpet out of the car to > get him out) If the guy who hit the dog tried to avoid it, he's ok, but > should have been more clear. I agree that we shouldn't risk wrecking to > avoid an animal, but everything up to that point is our duty as humans. I > hit a dog on my 73 CB750. Did everything I could to avoid it, but hit it > in the head with my crashbar. Somebody contacted the owner and took it to > the vet. I don't know if it survived and I hate that I had to hit it. > Yes, the owner was an irresponsible moron, but it wasn't him in the road, > unfortunately. > > That's all I have to say about that. > > Later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:28:46 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:26:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 45 TEXT Guess that's gonna make the Million Man March look like a company picnic. Horkster ---------- From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 2:48 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? They're promise keepers...saw an article a couple of years ago that showed that 20 or 30 thousand bikers attend this event and it's being held at RFK this weekend, they expect upwards of 1 million men there... Squeakers here's your chance..1 million male slaves.. outta last ya atleast a couple of months before you have to throw them away.. ;-) cheers, -aki > Hey all, > > Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both > had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the > waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass > through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but > many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to > 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been > traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to > anyone. :-( > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > Horkster > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:35:26 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:34:45 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New to list Hey gang! I'm new to this list. In case it matters, I have probably had face to face contact with some of you during my years of service in the m/c industry. In spite of what many riders think, not all franchised dealerships are made up of socially-mentally-people skill-challenged individuals. I have worked the past two decades for big and small shops like Coleman Powersport, Clinton Cycles, Swienns, Beltway Kawasaki, et al. If any one remembers me or just wants to converse on the subject of motorcycles, give me a hoot. I am currently self-employed; considering opening up an independent store to serve the motorcycle and atv public. If any one has an interest, I have some new Sporster accessories to sell so I can continue to enjoy my self-employment and add some space to the basement. Thanks for your time, Richard Wood rdwoodjr@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:49:08 1997 From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:45:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain What are promise keepers? > -----Original Message----- > From: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 3:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? > > Guess that's gonna make the Million Man March look > like a company picnic. > > Horkster > > ---------- > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 2:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? > > They're promise keepers...saw an article a couple of years > ago that showed that 20 or 30 thousand bikers attend > this event and it's being held at RFK this weekend, they > expect upwards of 1 million men there... > > Squeakers here's your chance..1 million male slaves.. > outta last ya atleast a couple of months before you > have to throw them away.. ;-) > > cheers, > -aki > > > > Hey all, > > > > Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both > > had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the > > waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass > > through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but > > many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups > of > 5 to > > 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks > had > been > > traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to > talk > to > > anyone. :-( > > > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > > > Horkster > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:51:35 1997 From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:47:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (This is a reposting -- not sure original made it) The info at http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/DISCUSS.html, Tip #94, grounds my "virtual tach". The motorcycle-based formula, massaged with a bit of spreadsheet work, gave me a little 18-number chart I have posted to my tank: All the inputs were readily available. As an ex-sportycar-driver first-biker, I early on found a need to peg my tachless delight's engine growl (or whine) to the numbers. This has come close -- and, having served and comforted, is soon to pass on. Other Tips on that site have been a boost, also. Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 Downtown D.C. ---------- > From: jcarver@XXXXXX > To: bandit-talk@XXXXXX; suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed > Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 12:01 PM > > Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph > with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the > difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at > 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear > sprockets, of course) Thanks. > > --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:52:06 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: "Aki.Damme" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:54:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > They're promise keepers...saw an article a couple of years > ago that showed that 20 or 30 thousand bikers attend > this event and it's being held at RFK this weekend, they > expect upwards of 1 million men there... > Ohhh, THAT thing. Ok. I wasnt aware that bikers were part of that. My mom is a preacher with a food distribution warehouse thingy in Northern Va. (yes, Im a preachers daughter). She's involved in that thing this weekend, too. Plus today she was in DC doing some food distribution thing involving those schools that aint got roofs. Or somethin like that. I mostly stay out of the stuff that she's involved in. Once ya start helpin her, she dont let cha go. > Squeakers here's your chance..1 million male slaves.. > outta last ya atleast a couple of months before you > have to throw them away.. ;-) um.. I kinda thought that promise keepers meant a buncha men promisin to be the heads of their families. Or somethin like that. I dont think they'd be willin to be slaves. 'course, like I said.. if my moms involved, I dont pay attention to it, so I COULD be wrong about what the "promise keepers" is all about. Besides. Im only interested in havin the BIKER promise keepers bein my slaves. They dont wear out as quick. Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:57:44 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:57:01 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Subject: re: weirdest hits 1985. capital beltway, outer loop, Springfield Va. 9 pm. heavy rain. fogged up face shield. 65 mph. unseen tractor trailer tire 3/4 carcass. GL1200 front tire hits it, becomes airborne. back Gl tire kicks up. Front tire one foot in air, rear two feet. Comes down on front wheel me looking over windshield. Rear comes down. No worries.Go home and drink heavily. Somebody up there like likes me. 1988. Wilson Bridge, outer loop. dark. ZG1000 passing tractor trailer, SUDDENLY!!! SHOWER OF SPARKS AND THUMP ON WINDSHIELD!! Truck driver has thrown cigar out window. First instant fear, then, well, you're riders, you know anger. Me, passing truck, uselessly indicating trucker is number one in my book. 1975. Clinton Md, route 5. traffic light. me stopped on Z1 Kawasaki with 9 miles on it. two weeks on the job at small Kawasaki dealer. cage doesn't see fastest bike on earth while doing 50 mph (according to police). cage drags Z1 200 feet down road. me sails over car, lands on head, wakes up in middle of road. stand up. walk to median strip, pass out, wake up while do gooders try to take helmet off with i fight to keep it on. I'm Ok. I walk home 5 miles in daze not realizing my left elbow is broken and blood is running down my jeans. I'm no hero. I ride again as soon as I can. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:59:31 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:58:51 -0400 (EDT) To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? I wasn't going to say that, but i was thinking somewhere along the same lines. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:04:32 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e What are promise keepers? Men who have made a promise to their wives and children to be good fathers as I understand it. They want to live by example to the sods who split. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:15:25 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:17:22 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Promise Keepers [no moto content] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > What are promise keepers? Jeannette, Promise Keepers is an organization started by football coach Bill McCartney (Colorado), which hold gatherings for men to renew their vows (in a way) and acknowledge their responisbilities as men - to their wive's and families. It generally eschews activities such as gambling, carousing, financial immaturity etc... and supports what Dan Quayle might call "solid, traditional values." It is also primarily white, more blue collar, and some feminists object to it on the grounds that it wants to (re)domesticate the modern wife. Other women have remarked that the very existence of the group with its credo of "taking responsibility" points to the vapid nature of our society if men need to join such a group before they act like responsible individuals. (Chris Rock said something similar on his special sometime back ;) There is also some dovetailing with the aims of some Christian fundamentalist groups M-` la Christian Coalition, and Pat Robertson too, I believe. JK (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:17:24 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 15:59:31 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: CCS At Summit: Crow Bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just packed the truck - I'll be on my way in about 40 minutes... blue tent on the inside (riders right) of the straight between 3 and 4. Tonight and tomorrow night - hot dogs, smores and beer... music too (for everyone tonight). Hope to see ya there. Brian McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: CCS At Summit: Crow Bar Author: "Todd B Peer" at smtplink-micros Date: 10/3/97 11:00 AM Anyone planning on riding up to the races tommorrow? Anyone planning to stay and camp for Sunday as well. The Crow Bar will be there hosting a party. Write back and let's hook up. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:17:26 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 16:04:12 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit guess I beg well??? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Well now we can compare a dogs brian.... Hey Brian. When did you become a dogs pet :) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:18:30 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:24:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hitting things In-Reply-To: <199710031224.IAA13561@smtp3.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Squeakers! At (long) last we've found something we agree on. But I knew it would have to happen eventually. --garcia "How can you tell a happy biker? By the (small!) bugs on their teeth." On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Squeakers wrote: > > > I have a good friend who sometimes does wierd things. He was crossing the > > desert on his beemer when he spotted, far ahead, a snake slithering across > > the road. He veered slightly so he would run right over the snake > > mid-length. The snake must have tensed up as the wheel hit it. > > > Thats not weird. Thats cruel. Sick. Ignorant. The snake was in HIS home territory, > out looking for food and just in general trying to survive. (keeping > the rodent population under control at the same time) So, your friend > goes into the snakes home, and even though the snake was absolutely > NO threat, your friend tried to kill him. Wounded him, absolutely. > Possibly mortally. But did it on purpose. If Id been there, it would > have been your FRIEND that would have been slithering away. > I hate assholes that kill snakes "just for the fun of it". > [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:22:19 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: weirdest hits Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:19:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 36 TEXT Ahh, man, a 75 Z1 with 9 miles toasted.... I want to go some where and cry. Those bikes (still) rule. Those 9 miles were probably really fun, weren't they? Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 ---------- From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX[SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 3:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Subject: re: weirdest hits <>. 1975. Clinton Md, route 5. traffic light. me stopped on Z1 Kawasaki with 9 miles on it. two weeks on the job at small Kawasaki dealer. cage doesn't see fastest bike on earth while doing 50 mph (according to police). cage drags Z1 200 feet down road. me sails over car, lands on head, wakes up in middle of road. stand up. walk to median strip, pass out, wake up while do gooders try to take helmet off with i fight to keep it on. I'm Ok. I walk home 5 miles in daze not realizing my left elbow is broken and blood is running down my jeans. I'm no hero. I ride again as soon as I can. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:27:49 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3