From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:02:47 1997 From: jcarver@XXXXXX To: , , Subject: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:01:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear sprockets, of course) Thanks. --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:52:13 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:51:00 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:01 PM 10/1/97 -0400, jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: >Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph >with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the >difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at >60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear >sprockets, of course) Thanks. Your "gear ratio" of the chain is the number of teeth of one sprocket divided by the number of teeth of the other sprocket. The relationship between gear ratio and engine speed is linear, so just compare engine speed at one gear ratio to engine speed at the other gear ratio. For example: (rpm_1 at 60mph) divided by (gear_ratio_1) equals (rpm_2 at 60mph) divided by (gear_ratio_2) plug in what you know, and solve for the one you don't know, for example: (gear_ratio_2) equals [(rpm_1 at 60mph) divided by (gear_ratio_1)] divided by (rpm_2 at 60mph) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 13:56:43 1997 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:55:44 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcarver@XXXXXX CC: bandit-talk@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph > with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the > difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at > 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear > sprockets, of course) The specific formula you are looking for is at: http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/rpmmph.html The page for all of them is http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/auto.html or http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/auto_noframe.html Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 15:02:13 1997 MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:51:44 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:52:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Recommended Ride, from Princeton, WV To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1156IAW37ED0 X400-MTS-identifier: [;44154110017991/2003456@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 This past Friday I rode down to Princeton, WV to join a group of riders in the local twisties. Saturday was beautiful. All day I was in the quandary of deciding if I should look around at the amazing scenery or keep my eye on the amazing roads. I managed some combination of the two. Here's a route that's well worth riding down for (or trailering the bike if that's your pleasure). Take I-81 south from the DC area to the exit for Virginia Tech, Rte 460 West. Follow that for 80 miles or so until you reach Princeton. My total distance there from College Park was about 340 miles (on Sunday, my return 340 miles was spent in constant rain, blah). Actually, for the trip down I didn't use the interstate. There are plenty of twisty roads through the heart of WV to keep you interested on the trip there... Princeton has restaurants, hotels, etc so it's a good place to use as a base. The ride: >From Princeton - Rte 460 W Left onto Rte 598 (BlueField, WV) Straight on Rte 52 to Rte 61 Right on Rte 61 to Tazewell, VA Left at first stop light and proceed through Tazewell Left on Rte 16 (about 1 mile out of town) Right on Rte 42 to Saltville, VA Left on Rte 107 Straight on Rte 600 (over White Top Mountain - 5,520 ft) Left on Rte 58 Left on Rte 16 in Volney, VA Rte 16 will take you to Marion, VA ("The Apple House" restaurant near 16 and I-81 comes highly recommended) Right on Rte 42 Left on Rte 52 Straight on Rte 598 Right on Rte 16 This totals you out to about 238 miles. The mountains in this area are stupendous. You pass by Mt. Rogers, the highest point in Virginia at 5,729'. Bikes tuned for sea level will be choking like crazy... There's lots of neat stuff like signs that say, "15 mph corners next 5 miles", or "35 mph corners next 15 miles", etc. From sweepers to really tight corners (tight, like those on US 250) this area has it all. I think it was Rte 598 that had the "35 mph corners next 15 miles" sign. Rte 16 is an endless series of mixed tight and tight sweeping corners. Great roads. I expect I'll be tripping on down there again next year. I may bring hiking gear as well... If you have an interest (in just riding or riding/hiking) in this area sometime, let me know. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 17:33:49 1997 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 17:35:38 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all, Does anyone know of any place where you can find replacement straps for a (AGV) helmet? It seems that these things should be standardized, no? Mine have started to break apart. TIA John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 18:36:35 1997 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:34:03 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Shipping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jimi@XXXXXX wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > > Mike, try Federal Companies. I believe they are listed in this months > > Cycle World. I have never used them or know anyone that has. I just > > saw their ad. Their phone numbers are: > > I used them once. They did an OK job. You need to have the bike > delivered between business addresses. The place you work is a good > choice, but youo need to find one on the other end as well. They will > strap the bike down on to a large pallet, so you don't need to take it > apart. I think they want you to drain the gas, but I didn't, and nobody > said anything. > > The lower fairing on the bike had a huge gouge taken out of both sides > during the shipping, it looked like the bike contacted the pallet at some > point. It was a monster pain in the ass to get them to owe up to doing > it, and I never did get any money. Use at your own risk. > > It should be noted that the AMA discontinued using Federal as their > primary carrier a while back, because they refused to compensate their own > employees involved in motorcycle accidents. I forget who they use now, > but I would call the AMA to find out. I believe they now recommend D&D motorcycle service (based in CA)....at least they did in May of this year. +/-$400 from West Palm Beach to Bethesda, no damage to bike, on time delivery. I'll look for the number....AMA has it, too. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 19:53:19 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:49:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John- I'd think you can't replace them at all. How old is your helmet? Mine is riveted in and stitched together. I'd maybe mess with the stitching if I knew somebody with a serious sewing machine, but I don't think I'd try. New helmets are cheap. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 22:33:52 1997 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:13:51 -0500 (CDT) From: viper655@XXXXXX (Dr.Robert A. Harms) Subject: Re: MC Shipping To: "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You wrote: > >jimi@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >> >> > Mike, try Federal Companies. I believe they are listed in this months >> > Cycle World. I have never used them or know anyone that has. I just >> > saw their ad. Their phone numbers are: >> >> I used them once. They did an OK job. You need to have the bike >> delivered between business addresses. The place you work is a good >> choice, but youo need to find one on the other end as well. They will >> strap the bike down on to a large pallet, so you don't need to take it >> apart. I think they want you to drain the gas, but I didn't, and nobody >> said anything. >> >> The lower fairing on the bike had a huge gouge taken out of both sides >> during the shipping, it looked like the bike contacted the pallet at some >> point. It was a monster pain in the ass to get them to owe up to doing >> it, and I never did get any money. Use at your own risk. >> >> It should be noted that the AMA discontinued using Federal as their >> primary carrier a while back, because they refused to compensate their own >> employees involved in motorcycle accidents. I forget who they use now, >> but I would call the AMA to find out. > >I believe they now recommend D&D motorcycle service (based in CA)....at >least they did in May of this year. +/-$400 from West Palm Beach to >Bethesda, no damage to bike, on time delivery. > >I'll look for the number....AMA has it, too. > > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > The data on Federal is waaaaay out of date. They have covered rider/employees for well over a year. I have used Federal many times on some pretty rare bikes with absolutely no problems. The fee you paid from WPB to MD seems very high. My Maserati came from San Diego to Tampa for 325 . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 22:33:52 1997 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:02:46 -0700 From: ameadows X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcarver@XXXXXX CC: bandit-talk@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7E9A6F69368E8AFD3A4A2620" --------------7E9A6F69368E8AFD3A4A2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph > with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the > difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at > 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear > sprockets, of course) Thanks. > > --John OK.....lets see if I can put this down on paper..... First calculate the overall gear reduction ratio: R= (Transmission Ration x Final Drive Ratio) to 1 Final Drive is Chain and Sprocket. Calculate the Revolutions Per Second of the drive wheel at given Engine RPM: RPS= RPM(Eng) + R Calculate how many feet the motorcycle moves in one wheel revolution or the Circumference of the tire: C= 2 x pi x RR pi= 3.14159 RR= Rolling Radius Calculate the Velocity of the motorcycle: V= C x FPS Then convert to Miles Per Hour: Speed = V/1.466 I use this formula to determine shift speed for semi trucks. I hope this answers the question....sorry, I know of no other quicker formula that will accurately give you the speed. Good Luck "Life Begins with a twist of the wrist" --------------7E9A6F69368E8AFD3A4A2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jcarver@XXXXXX wrote:
Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph
with a given gear ratio?  What I am trying to do is determine the
difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at
60mph with a new gear ratio.  (Changing only the front & rear
sprockets, of course)  Thanks.

--John

   OK.....lets see if I can put this down on paper.....

First calculate the overall gear reduction ratio:
R= (Transmission Ration x Final Drive Ratio) to 1
Final Drive is Chain and Sprocket.

Calculate the Revolutions Per Second of the drive wheel at given Engine RPM:

RPS= RPM(Eng) + R

Calculate how many feet the motorcycle moves in one wheel revolution or the Circumference of the tire:
C= 2 x pi x RR
pi= 3.14159
RR= Rolling Radius

Calculate the Velocity of the motorcycle:

V= C x FPS

Then convert to Miles Per Hour:

Speed = V/1.466

I use this formula to determine shift speed for semi trucks.

I hope this answers the question....sorry, I know of no other quicker formula that will accurately give you the speed.

Good Luck

"Life Begins with a twist of the wrist" --------------7E9A6F69368E8AFD3A4A2620-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 23:52:31 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: free air compressor, needs work Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:49:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, y'all- I have an air compressor I don't want. It's about 25gal, 2.5 hp, 220 volt Sears, quite old. Some compressors can be run on 110 or 220 volt, like my new one, but I don't know if this one can. It needs a new pump, which you can get from Harbor Freight or Northern Tools for $140 to $150. It claims to be powerful enough to paint a car. I've run typical air tools on it, but never painted. A new compressor like this would be $325 at Sears. Yours free. Please! It's in my way but I don't want to throw it out. In Potomac. Thanks Kevin PS- I won't be around to check your replies until Friday afternoon. Send a phone number if you want. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 01:44:27 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:50:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycle Subject: Jet kits for sale, Suzuki and Honda MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have 5 jet kits for sale. They are all new (unused), made by DynoJet and sold by Kerker or by K & N. Price is one half (50%) of similar current retail K & N price (Parts Unlimited Catalog) and I'll pay shipping (in US). The reason I say "similar" is that only one of these kits (CB-900) is in the catalog, so I'm doing a "best guess". All except the CB-900 kit are sold with K & N stock airbox replacement filters, so they are equivalent to DynoJet Stage 1 kits, i.e. use stock (or close) exhaust. The CB-900 kit comes with individual filters and is intended for use with a less-restrictive aftermarket exhaust. It corresponds to the DynoJet Stage 3 kits. The jet kits are for: Suzuki GS-1150, 1984-86 $84 Suzuki GS-750, 1983 $81 Suzuki GS-750, 1980-82 $80 Honda CB-900C,F, 1980-82 $117.50 Honda VF750S Sabre, 1982-3 $88 Based on identical part numbers in K&N section of PU catalog, it looks like the Honda 900 kit will also fit the CB 750C 1980-1, CB 750F 1979-81, CB 750K 1979-81 and CB 750L 1979 (including filters). The following Suzuki's jet kits also show a common part number: GS750E 80-82, GS750L 80-81, GS750S 83, GS750T 83; the 1983 750E/ES uses the same jet kit but a different air filter. The GS1150 jet kit is the same part number as all GS1100 (not GSX). However the air filters differ. If anyone has info on other bikes these kits will fit, or catches an error on my part, please let me know. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 03:48:45 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 00:48:08 -0700 From: Chris Schulz Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed X-Sender: 109sbm65gi3h@XXXXXX To: ameadows , jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: bandit-talk@XXXXXX, Suzuki List , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >I use this formula to determine shift speed for semi trucks. I'm sure you're sick of calculating speed for semi-trucks, so why don't you calculate the shift speed for the RF900R??? Chris '94 RF900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:06:29 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:03:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT John probably won't agree with me right now, but not being able to replace a helmet strap is probably a Good Thing (tm) IMO. This prevents would-be bikers saving the $ investment of a nice new helmet by simply going up to your bike in the parking lot and slicing through the strap of yours, knowing that a new strap is just a few dollars. I think Kevin is right, if you have worn a helmet so much that a strap is worn out, it's probably time for an new helmet. Retire it with pride. There aren't many bikers out there who do those kinds of miles. Helmets are cheap. What's your head worth? Ride Safe! Horkster ---------- From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:49 PM To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? John- I'd think you can't replace them at all. How old is your helmet? Mine is riveted in and stitched together. I'd maybe mess with the stitching if I knew somebody with a serious sewing machine, but I don't think I'd try. New helmets are cheap. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:52:00 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:36:22 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 AM 10/2/97 -0400, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >John probably won't agree with me right now, >but not being able to replace a helmet strap is >probably a Good Thing (tm) IMO. This prevents >would-be bikers saving the $ investment of a nice >new helmet by simply going up to your bike in >the parking lot and slicing through the strap of >yours, knowing that a new strap is just a few dollars. > >I think Kevin is right, if you have worn a helmet so >much that a strap is worn out, it's probably time >for an new helmet. Retire it with pride. There aren't >many bikers out there who do those kinds of miles. >Helmets are cheap. What's your head worth? I agree with the above sentiments. However, if the strap needs to be replaced and the above conditions do not apply, I'd go to a master parachute rigger for help with the straps. I'd look for a rigger (or how to contact one) at an airport, a skydiving shop, or a sailplane place. If you have any military contacts, go to their parachute loft. Parachute folks hang by their handiwork all the time ... they know what they're doing. I think someone familiar with technical rock climbing (using ropes, etc.) would also be able to help -- their body harnesses are made of webbing. You could probably also just replace the straps yourself. Use synthetic thread from a seatbelt shop (auto upholstery shop) and sew at about 15-20 threads per inch, sewing an area twice as long as the webbing is wide. Use a box stitch pattern with an X across the middle of it (look at your car's seat belts for this pattern). The strap needs only to be almost as strong as your neck, so I should think it would be relatively easy to do yourself. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 10:08:47 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:07:39 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:49 PM > To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? > > John- > --snip-- > New helmets are cheap. > Um, so can you enlighten us as to where you buy *your* helmets at? I sure don't recall them being cheap. Worth the money, yes ... but not what I consider cheap! Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 10:29:23 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:25:52 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464563A59@xcgva001.grumman.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12ftsL00007it ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME ..I wasn't going to say anything either...but last time I bought a new helmet (X8-Air), it WASN'T what I'd consider _cheap_... -aki > X-Priority: 3 > > > ---------- > > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:49 PM > > To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? > > > > John- > > > --snip-- > > > New helmets are cheap. > > > Um, so can you enlighten us as to where you buy *your* helmets at? > > I sure don't recall them being cheap. Worth the money, yes ... but not > what I consider cheap! > > Later, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 10:52:32 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:49:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 66 TEXT What I really meant was cheap compared to the alternatives, like a two week stay in the hospital where your family is waiting for you to come out of the coma. And I would probably be a bit aggravated if, say, I just paid $300 plus for a helmet, and the straps started fraying prematurely. But I didn't think that this was the original poster's case. Not much about motorcycling is monetarily cheap, I've come to find. I've had no problems doing away with all my disposable income (and then some) since I've become a rider. Not that I'm complaining, I've had a blast so far! Horkster ---------- From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 1997 10:25 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Strap Replacement ? ..I wasn't going to say anything either...but last time I bought a new helmet (X8-Air), it WASN'T what I'd consider _cheap_... -aki > X-Priority: 3 > > > ---------- > > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:49 PM > > To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? > > > > John- > > > --snip-- > > > New helmets are cheap. > > > Um, so can you enlighten us as to where you buy *your* helmets at? > > I sure don't recall them being cheap. Worth the money, yes ... but not > what I consider cheap! > > Later, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:23:45 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:22:42 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New helmets vs replacing straps In the twenty two years I have sold helmets, I have successfully used these lines to help the customer decide on whether to purchase a new helmet or not: Do you feel lucky today? Do have any other type of insurance; say, for your health, auto, life, home, etc? A good helmet is the cheapest insurance you will ever buy. What do think it would feel like if you were sliding down the road and your helmet came off? Do you know how much facial reconstructive surgery cost these days? (i use that on parents that want the cheapest open face helmet for their child) Have you ever done something that hurt you later and wished you hadn't? What kind of risks are you willing to take? Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:36:12 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 11:30:05 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Helmet Strap Replacement ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --snip-- > New helmets are cheap. > Um, so can you enlighten us as to where you buy *your* helmets at? I sure don't recall them being cheap. Worth the money, yes ... but not what I consider cheap! ----reply----- I don't know, but $180 for a Shoie RFR (that I have for racing) seems pretty cheap to me. And worth the money too... You can buy them for that price pretty much anywhere. Ride safe.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 12:06:16 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: New helmets vs replacing straps Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:05:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > What do think it would feel like if you were sliding down the > road and > your helmet came off? > 1) The closest shave without using a razor 2) An appointment with God 3) The cork from a wine bottle Oh! That was a rhetorical question? Sorry, Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:33:56 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:16 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: FW: New helmets vs replacing straps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fwsd00003J4 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME Kinda reminds of the time I was on 95 South and saw a WATERMELON slide off the back of a flatbed truck...... it skipped across the road for about 3 or 4 feet (I was suprised it didn't break on impact), then literally *exploded* all over the cage infront of me... man.....am I glad it hit the cage and not me on my bike! yeech! cheers, -aki > X-Priority: 3 > > > What do think it would feel like if you were sliding down the > > road and > > your helmet came off? > > > 1) The closest shave without using a razor > 2) An appointment with God > 3) The cork from a wine bottle > > Oh! That was a rhetorical question? > > Sorry, > > Amit > CBR1000 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:54:45 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:52:43 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fwNi00004ab ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. I have two stories......one funny, the other...well kinda painful... The funny story was about 10 years ago when I was riding in Va. Beach on a backroad coming home from work. I was riding along, minding my own business when this *HUGE* bumblebee flew up into my full face helmet and starting flying back and forth infront of my eyes... scared the beejeezus out of me.......! I guess in situations like that, it's hard to keep ones cool and I freaked and pulled over to the side of the road, jumped off the bike (didn't even THINK about the kickstand) and ran off into a cornfield waving my arms all over the place, shaking my head (now remember that my helmet was *still on*). I must of ran about 50 yards flailing about like an idiot before it dawned on me to LIFT THE VISOR....... humph..as soon as I did that, the bee just flew away..boy did I feel like an idiot... and to add insult to injury, a few of my co-workers were a couple of cars behind me and saw the whole thing..they thought I had *completely* lost my mind, running around the cornfield waving my arms with a big ole helmet waggling around..jeez..... the other story was in actually near the same area where the bee flew in my helmet.......I was riding home from work when a damn sparrow flew down and *imbedded* itself beak first, into my right leg. I had to pull over and yank the bird out...don't know who was more suprised, me or the bird. The bird survived and did I, but I required a quick visit to the doctor for some shots and bandages.......hurt like heck and standing on the side of the road yanking a bird out of my leg while the bird was flapping around like crazy must of been a pretty wierd sight! I'm not even going to mention the time when two rednecks in a pickup truck with Harley bumper stickers (obviously Harley wannbes), passed me then threw their beer cans out the window at me....... on a side note, I had a female friend of mine, while driving down route 7, get hit by *FULL* porta potty that slid off the backend of flatbed........it literally BLEW UP about ten feet in front of her and SPRAYED HER ENTIRE NEW CAR with people poop.. ..man..I can only imagine the smell when it hit her air vents.......!!!!!!!!!!!!! cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:58:46 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Aki.Damme'" Subject: RE: New helmets vs replacing straps Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:57:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I lost a spaghetti squash out of the cargo net off the back of my bike last summer. It didn't smash on impact either, but in my left mirror I got to see it get crunched by the car that was tailgating me. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 1997 1:31 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FW: New helmets vs replacing straps > > > Kinda reminds of the time I was on 95 South and saw a WATERMELON > slide off the back of a flatbed truck...... > > it skipped across the road for about 3 or 4 feet (I was suprised > it didn't break on impact), then literally *exploded* all over the > cage infront of me... > > man.....am I glad it hit the cage and not me on my bike! yeech! > > cheers, > -aki > > > > X-Priority: 3 > > > > > What do think it would feel like if you were sliding down > the > > > road and > > > your helmet came off? > > > > > 1) The closest shave without using a razor > > 2) An appointment with God > > 3) The cork from a wine bottle > > > > Oh! That was a rhetorical question? > > > > Sorry, > > > > Amit > > CBR1000 > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 14:33:17 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:32:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > ---------- > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 1997 1:52 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* > thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. > Well, to start out there's the drum roll... The drum roll appears while cruising (at about 120) on the coast line close to Rome, Italy. It is a low-flying seagull that appears over the sand dunes adjacent to the road. It is a little slow, cannot climb quickly, and will strike the top of your "squid's" fairing, then your helmet, and then your pillions helmet. tips: 1) Remember to wake up again before the S's. 2) Have your helmet buckled. 3) Make sure the pillion is not sitting up straight. (This is why 120 is good). Then there's the tree trunk... The tree trunk is usually donated from the back of a pick-up truck when it goes over a joint on the heavily congested 495 American Legion Bridge. It offers a spectacular sight as it hits the road and starts to disintegrate right before your eyes. Your involvement in the action is to locate the smallest part to hit while lifting your legs to retain ownership of your feet. tips: 1) Pray. Happy Ridin' Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 15:10:16 1997 X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:16:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Several years ago, while riding in Boston on a GPZ-750, a flock of pigeons that had been gathered beside a sidewalk suddenly took off as I rode by them. Two bounced off my fairing, one slid up and hit me squarely on the face shield, nearly tearing my head off. Feathers were everywhere. I hate pigeons. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (stolen, but not forgotten) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 15:27:59 1997 From: "mobacc" To: , Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:24:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The info at http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/DISCUSS.html, Tip #94, grounds my "virtual tach". The motorcycle-based formula, massaged with a bit of spreadsheet work, gave me a little 18-number chart I have posted to my tank: All the inputs were readily available. As an ex-sportycar-driver first-biker, I early on found a need to peg my tachless delight's engine growl (or whine) to the numbers. This has come close -- and, having served and comforted, is soon to pass on. Other Tips on that site have been a boost, also. Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 Downtown D.C. ---------- > From: jcarver@XXXXXX > To: bandit-talk@XXXXXX; suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed > Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 12:01 PM > > Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph > with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the > difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at > 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear > sprockets, of course) Thanks. > > --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:21:32 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e >>snip Then there's the tree trunk... The tree trunk is usually donated from the back of a pick-up truck Well it was'nt a tree trunk, but a peice of cut wood. I was coming home from school (GMU) via 123n just past the post office through old town Fairfax. This is a quick lean left down a hill and then lean right. In the first turn a dump truck dropped a piece of cut stacked wood in my path. I was able to get another twisty turn out of this set just to avoid the log :-) "eric the half of bee"..... I was riding somewhere southwest of springfield on a nice sunny day. It was a little hot so I had my faceshield up. We were aproaching a long sweep left when 'BAM' something smacked me right in the nose. I thought it was a rock so I pulled over to check myself. When I stopped my friend asked what was wrong (he thought I sneezed) and began getting that 'oh gross' look on his face and began laughing. I had half of a bee stuck in my nostril.. ....eeewwWW!! Blew my nose and we were off :-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:52:52 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:54:50 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki.Damme wrote: -->snip<-- > I was riding along, minding my own business when this > *HUGE* bumblebee flew up into my full face helmet --> snip<-- Talking about bees. I swear to God (no lie) I have been stung four times by bees. Once while wearing an open face helmet, one lodged against my temple and reacted predictable for the species; Another time one flew into a hole I had in the armpit of my first Brooks leather (this was before vented jackets ;) and stung me in the pit; Another time one entered my jacket and stung my chest; Two years ago one landed inside my nose (no lie) and stung the inside of the septum (is that what it's called?). That was the nastiest. Now I wear a full-face helmet religiously, gauntlet type gloves and a slightly better leather jacket ;) I know this doesn't beat the woman on Rte 7 story.. but what the hey :) JK (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:21:16 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Check this out... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e ..Got this from the HSTA list. Go to: http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy/nchsta.html and click on 'Randy Foster Spotted' Good for some yuks! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:32:32 1997 From: "Michael Dow" To: "Aki.Damme" , Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:29:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great stuff! Made me laugh out loud. I guess I've been pretty lucky. The largest object to hit me while riding is probably my own bike when I went down last year. Does that count? I've been crapped on a couple of times by birds. I got a grasshopper in the sternum once -- that left a bruise. I certainly haven't had to pull a flapping bird out of my leg, though. At least not yet... -Sash ---------- > From: Aki.Damme > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 1:52 PM > > > To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* > thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. > > I have two stories......one funny, the other...well kinda > painful... > > The funny story was about 10 years ago when I was riding > in Va. Beach on a backroad coming home from work. > I was riding along, minding my own business when this > *HUGE* bumblebee flew up into my full face helmet and > starting flying back and forth infront of my eyes... > scared the beejeezus out of me.......! > I guess in situations like that, it's hard to keep ones > cool and I freaked and pulled over to the side of the > road, jumped off the bike (didn't even THINK about the > kickstand) and ran off into a cornfield waving my arms > all over the place, shaking my head (now remember that > my helmet was *still on*). I must of ran about 50 yards > flailing about like an idiot before it dawned on me > to LIFT THE VISOR....... > > humph..as soon as I did that, the bee just flew away..boy > did I feel like an idiot... > > and to add insult to injury, a few of my co-workers were a > couple of cars behind me and saw the whole thing..they > thought I had *completely* lost my mind, running around > the cornfield waving my arms with a big ole helmet waggling > around..jeez..... > > the other story was in actually near the same area where > the bee flew in my helmet.......I was riding home from > work when a damn sparrow flew down and *imbedded* itself > beak first, into my right leg. I had to pull over and > yank the bird out...don't know who was more suprised, > me or the bird. The bird survived and did I, but I > required a quick visit to the doctor for some shots > and bandages.......hurt like heck and standing on the > side of the road yanking a bird out of my leg while > the bird was flapping around like crazy must of been > a pretty wierd sight! > > I'm not even going to mention the time when two rednecks > in a pickup truck with Harley bumper stickers (obviously > Harley wannbes), passed me then threw their beer cans > out the window at me....... > > on a side note, I had a female friend of mine, while driving > down route 7, get hit by *FULL* porta potty that slid off > the backend of flatbed........it literally BLEW UP about > ten feet in front of her and SPRAYED HER ENTIRE NEW CAR > with people poop.. > > ..man..I can only imagine the smell when it hit her air > vents.......!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > cheers, > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:41:26 1997 From: "mobacc" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:38:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O.K. -- in the Chicken Little category -- Scene 1: July day outside bike shop. Me chatting with the owner of nifty 1200 Sportster: We're touching on safety, helmets, etc. and he starts talking about spherical head checks -- seems he rode motocross some time back with survival dependent on checking up and down. Since this a precaution I mentally downplayed for my benign street riding, the tactic found a niche and went to sleep. Scene 2: A couple of weeks later, Route 50 inbound (remembered to be about the Fairfax County Parkway), moderate traffic, breezy. Me just finishing a change to far left thru lane, probably at 45, just headchecked traffic, plenty of cushions around. Easing through underpass -- subconsciously, What possible hazard from above? Then -- me out from under, peacefully -- and a large party balloon with a 4x6in, probably masonite, plaque swinging on a 3 foot string, settling slowly just yards in front of my helmet, then windshield. Couldn't swerve, just duck -- Clang, Whack. Consternation, tiny panic, brakes from cage behind. Luckily only a chip or two in my shield/helmet, no subsequents. Except more spherical headchecking. ----- Now, of course, if we're gamuting weird (my dictionary says "ei") things hitting -- my visions do wander while driving -- how about thoughts hitting me of What if I were following the cage in the recent "drying pants fly away" TV ad? -- or What if an earthquake -- or . . .. Do these qualify? Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 Downtown D.C. ---------- > From: Aki.Damme > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 1:52 PM > > X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fwNi00004ab ] > X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME >. . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 22:00:24 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:59:57 -0400 X-Sender: jfurlong@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jim Furlong Subject: hitting things I have a good friend who sometimes does wierd things. He was crossing the desert on his beemer when he spotted, far ahead, a snake slithering across the road. He veered slightly so he would run right over the snake mid-length. The snake must have tensed up as the wheel hit it. The next instant my friend had a very angry rattler coiled around his left cylinder head! My friend did a ballet-like leg split wherein his feet were nearly as high as his shoulders. He lost control of the bike and ran off the road and fell. When he stopped tumbling and got up and cautiously returned to the bike the snake was gone. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 23:01:51 1997 From: bsajim@XXXXXX Errors-To: Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:59:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aki.Damme" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great thread all! Just had to add my experience. Hit a blinkin' skunk summer before last. No real danger but I found out the hard way that, while tomato juice works great on dogs, it ain't worth a hoot on bikes! Had to trash my jeans, too. Cheers Jim Carr 61 BSA A10 65 BSA A65L/R 69 BSA A65T 70 BSA B44VS 96 Enfield Bullet 500 85 Yamaha TY 350 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 23:07:35 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:21:46 -0400 From: Stephen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From wierdest, I shall take that only one thing is required. I guess that would have to be the billboard, though I wasn't on the bike at the time. It did a few very spectacular GP style endo's immediately prior to flying through the billboard, and into the adjacent field. The hole in the billboard was bike sized, and located approximately six feet off the ground. The bike went through belly first. Okay, now I'm dying to hear wierder than this. > > To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* > > thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 23:49:29 1997 From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:48:31 -0400 (EDT) To: mdow@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... I've got a friend who told me about the time he was riding along and somehow had a cardboard box land right on top of his head. Must've been a strange sight. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 00:20:18 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: <971002234556_1232259300@emout12.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeow! On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 MARKSOMM@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got a friend who told me about the time he was riding along and somehow > had a cardboard box land right on top of his head. Must've been a strange > sight. Nice helmet, Do0D!! 8-o I remember riding on 601 near Mt. Weather this Summer when I felt some bug fly in up my jacket sleeve, past my elbow, round the armpit, and down my back. Fortunately it wasn't inclined to throw rocks^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H sting. Sure felt weird though. %-} -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 00:55:30 1997 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:50:30 -0700 From: ameadows X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schulz CC: jcarver@XXXXXX, bandit-talk@XXXXXX, Suzuki List , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Schulz wrote: > I'm sure you're sick of calculating speed for semi-trucks, so why > don't > you calculate the shift speed for the RF900R??? > > Chris > '94 RF900R 1. I dont have or want a RF900R. (They're Geneticaly Challenged.) 2. My speedometer works. (Don't RF900Rs) 3. You have the formula you figure it out. (Will email discount coupon for batteries for calculator.) I have used that formula for motorcycles as well, but the driver is usualy dead. Have a good one! Austin GS1100+EZ (1230) "Life begins with a twist of the wrist" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:20:06 1997 X-ROUTED: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:13:26 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: weirdest things hit Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:16:48 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I had a spider drop into my helmet as I was slowing going down a country road Visor up and glass on, he was a quick crawler to I had to stop and take the helmet to get him out. Nothing like being tickle the hell out of your nose. The other was a diving bird right into the windscreen, luckily wasn't going fast and he lived and flew away. I think the jiffy john would be the worse Good Advice: If you are anywhere near anything that has a load on the back of it imagine the worse and avoid the situation all together, thats my story and I'm sticking to it. CK Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:24:23 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Jim Furlong Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:26:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hitting things CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > I have a good friend who sometimes does wierd things. He was crossing the > desert on his beemer when he spotted, far ahead, a snake slithering across > the road. He veered slightly so he would run right over the snake > mid-length. The snake must have tensed up as the wheel hit it. Thats not weird. Thats cruel. Sick. Ignorant. The snake was in HIS home territory, out looking for food and just in general trying to survive. (keeping the rodent population under control at the same time) So, your friend goes into the snakes home, and even though the snake was absolutely NO threat, your friend tried to kill him. Wounded him, absolutely. Possibly mortally. But did it on purpose. If Id been there, it would have been your FRIEND that would have been slithering away. I hate assholes that kill snakes "just for the fun of it". > instant my friend had a very angry rattler coiled around his left cylinder > head! My friend did a ballet-like leg split wherein his feet were nearly as > high as his shoulders. He lost control of the bike and ran off the road and > fell. He shoulda been bitten. He did it on purpose. Trying to kill for NO DAMN REASON but the FUN of killing an animal!! Or to see it suffer. Wow. What fun. Assholes..... > > When he stopped tumbling and got up and cautiously returned to the > bike the snake was gone. > Probably crawled off to slowly and agonizingly die. 'course, your friend doesnt care about that. Squeakers- mother to 2 snakes, 4 chameleons, 5 tarantulas, 1 lovebird and a dog (plus the occasional toad and turtle my daughter brings home. But we always just watch them, feed them, then take them to a safe water and food filled place to let them go) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:41:05 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:04:31 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: <3434344A.1A24@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I caught flies twice. I had a motocross helmet with the ear pads cut out so I could hear the wind when hang gliding. I wore that on my first bike and caught a fly on the left side, with the fly buzzing around in my ear. Convinced it was a bee, I pulled off the road and jerked my helmet off my head. Figuring it was just a chance encounter, I carried on. A week later it happened again ... convinced it REALLY was a bee, I pulled off the road and jerked my helmet off my head. So then I bought a face shield. :-) Chris Norloff P.S. In my dirt riding days, I caught a dragonfly between my goggles and my helmet. At 50mph, I took quite a hit. Visibility was "different" with dragonfly guts all over my goggles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:41:05 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 07:53:47 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Weirdest thing to hit me? How about the weirdest things I've avoided: 1. A desk. Riding along on a four-lane highway, watching a few brake lights ahead. A desk (though without a bureaucrat) was sitting in the left lane. 2. Pieces of flying tire. Tractor-trailer blew a tire in front of me at 70mph. First I heard what sounded like a gunshot, then a blue haze came from underneath the truck, then flying pieces of tire. I tucked in behind my tiny fairing and swerved back and forth, dodging the bigger pieces. In my mirrors I could see cars all over the road. It was a stinking-hot day, and I was barely staying cool. My protective gear felt fine after that episode. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:57:58 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:57:21 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > To start a new thread, I'm curious what was the *wierdest* > > thing to hit any of you while you were out riding. The hailstone that knocked off one of my spot mirrors while riding West on I-70 in Utah. Fifteen minutes earlier, the sun was shining, 15 minutes later, the sun was shining again. I wasn't going to stop, but the guy I was riding with wouldn't keep going. Stopping meant spending another 5 minutes inside the storm. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:01:03 1997 From: SackcoD@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:00:24 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... It's late spring, early summer. Riding on a two lane road, a school bus approaches from the opposite direction. At the moment we are adjacent I feel like I've been punched in the stomach. I look down and find a cupcake sitting on my tank. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:02:59 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:00:09 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2. Pieces of flying tire. Tractor-trailer blew a tire in front of me at 70mph. First I heard what sounded like a gunshot, then a blue haze came from underneath the truck, then flying pieces of tire. I tucked in behind my tiny fairing and swerved back and forth, dodging the bigger pieces. In my mirrors I could see cars all over the road. It was a stinking-hot day, and I was barely staying cool. My protective gear felt fine after that ------reply------- I've been there - Some friends and I were traveling along a Montana interstate at arround 120mph - me in second. We were passing a car (not a very rapid overtake - he was doing 100 or so) and I see the car swerve to the right a little - next thing I see is half a tire that's been kicked up about head high and flight right at mine. I ducked and gassed the bike - I think I felt it scrape along the top of my head.... Best I've ever seen was on a ride returning from Skyline Drive - 3 bikes, me in third.... we're all going arround 80-90 and this bike come streaking in on the second rider... next it's going straight up.. I ride under it, and look in the mirror as it hits the ground... It was a sight that had me laughing most the way home (not about the death of the bird, just the way it chose to go out). And bees? I used to ride without a faceshield in the summer - till I got a bee stuck between the helm and my temple - musta been a wasp actualy, or a queen bee can it stung me about 8 timees before I squashed it with a gloved finger. And arround here, those damn big black bugs that seem to like to fly down my shirt and bite me.... I'm going along hitting my chest and everywhere else I can feel it attempting to kill the damn thing - gotta look funny, a rider in 'Stich, hitting himself on the chest and sides while going slightly abover the posted limit and cornering - I must say that those little buggers never die... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:18:37 1997 From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone going to Midnight Madness Date: 3 Oct 97 9:04:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or know the details as to time and directions..... I'm thinking of going up to do a little drag racing tonight (even got permission from the wife) but I'd much rather go up with people I know (or at least know of :) So if you're interested, let me know so I can head out of work early enough to go....Also, if you respond, be sure to copy to this e-mail address as these ancient machines at work can't swap accounts to check mail (list goes to the house) Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:36:44 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:38:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) A big bird hit my windshield then went bouncing across the street. It WOULDA hit ME in the chest if I hadnt had the windshield. But the ICKYEST thing was a big bug hit me SO damn hard that part of the guts went into my arm!!! (like a splinter) I had to get my buff puff and scrub the stuff out and off. YUCK! Totally grossed me out. Hurt like hell, too. 'Course, you always get the big oozey filled bugs that splat on your sunglasses and part of it goes on your face so you have to pull over to wipe it all off, or you wont be able to see. EWWWWW!! Thanks a lot to whoever started this thread. Much as I love my PET tarantulas, OTHER bugs just make me cringe. Now Im thinkin about em. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:07:47 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:14:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I once had a neighbor's Pit Bull run out in front of me, so I gassed it and ran over the son of a bitch. It broke the dogs leg and caused me to go down. I bent the handle bars pretty good and broke off one of the foot pegs. This was one stupid damn dog. They told me that it chased me because it thought I was just another toy for it to chase. I had the bike back in shape in about two hours. By that time the owner came home from the veterinarian and had the nerve to come over and tell me that he was'nt going to press any charges. It was all I could do to keep from punching his lights out. And then there was the time I was heading south on I95 between Springfield and Woodbridge on Christmas Eve 2 or 3 years ago. The wind was blowing briskly from east to west. And there was all kinds of construction work being done to I95. I was riding in the far left lane with moderate to heavy traffic all around me. Suddenly I see an object move from the shoulder over into my lane. The wind had caused one of those orange and white plastic barrels that Department of Transportation use, to move partially into my lane. It was on its side, and because it did not have its base attached, it made it easy for the wind to blow it out into oncomming traffic. For a moment I thought I would get by it because it stopped moving about a third of the way into my lane. But then at the last momemt the wind caught it again and it moved square into the middle of the lane. With no room for me to change lanes I had no choice but to hit it dead on. My front tire hit it, the bike shuddered violently and the barrel slid back over onto the shoulder. Somehow I was able to keep the bike upright. I wasted no time in getting off of 95, and finished my trip by using Route 1 instead. I would sure like to talk to the sorry DOT worker that let that barrel get seperatied from its weighted base. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:35:27 1997 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:35:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT Never had this problem since I wear a full faced helmet. It must really look funny with bug guts all over your face. ;-) Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > 'Course, you always get the big oozey filled bugs that splat on your >sunglasses and part of it goes on your face so you have to pull over >to wipe it all off, or you wont be able to see. EWWWWW!! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:40:11 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:38:14 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: "Griff, David" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe it's cause I am hung over but this stories really bugs me. What if a cager told a similar story about some crazy motorcyclist who cut them off, so they gunned it and hit him, the tread would last for weeks. The dog followed its instinct and you condemned it. Could you have stop in time? Sure the dog should have been on a short leash, the owner should watch the dog better. But sh%t happens. Some people should not have dogs and some squids should not ride but until I am God the wrong people will do the wrong things. I am not saying you should not ride or that the neighbor should not have a dog. I am saying hurting a dog for doing what it thought was fun and natural is wrong. If it was my dog you would have been in the vet too. Jay Goddard 94 ZX9R 96 boxer puppy sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: I once had a neighbor's Pit Bull run out in front of me, so I gassed it and > ran over the son of a bitch. It broke the dogs leg and caused me to > go > down. I bent the handle bars pretty good and broke off one of the > foot > pegs. This was one stupid damn dog. They told me that it chased me > because it thought I was just another toy for it to chase. I had the > bike > back in shape in about two hours. By that time the owner came home > from the > veterinarian and had the nerve to come over and tell me that he was'nt > > going to press any charges. It was all I could do to keep from > punching > his lights out. > > And then there was the time I was heading south on I95 between > Springfield > and Woodbridge on Christmas Eve 2 or 3 years ago. The wind was > blowing > briskly from east to west. And there was all kinds of construction > work > being done to I95. I was riding in the far left lane with moderate to > > heavy traffic all around me. Suddenly I see an object move from the > shoulder over into my lane. The wind had caused one of those orange > and > white plastic barrels that Department of Transportation use, to move > partially into my lane. It was on its side, and because it did not > have > its base attached, it made it easy for the wind to blow it out into > oncomming traffic. For a moment I thought I would get by it because > it > stopped moving about a third of the way into my lane. But then at the > last > momemt the wind caught it again and it moved square into the middle of > the > lane. With no room for me to change lanes I had no choice but to hit > it > dead on. My front tire hit it, the bike shuddered violently and the > barrel > slid back over onto the shoulder. Somehow I was able to keep the bike > > upright. I wasted no time in getting off of 95, and finished my trip > by > using Route 1 instead. I would sure like to talk to the sorry DOT > worker > that let that barrel get seperatied from its weighted base. > > Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:45:06 1997 From: Robert Johnston To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:46:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. The owner of the dog was negligent in its training and was ultimately at fault. 2. Mistakes do occur. 3. If I made a mistake and allowed one of my dogs "run out in front of you" and you exhibited behavior, that established in my mind, that you took deliberate action to hit the animal with your vehicle, I would have rendered your bike permanently unridable and attempted to do the same to you. 4. The last son of a bitch that molested one of my family's dogs, left the scene sans truck and picking 000 shot out of his ass and legs. BTB the sheriff wrote him up for vandalism and cruelty to animals. I may be a redneck, but I'm big and I shoot well and I defend my own. -----Original Message----- From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 10:14 AM To: aki.damme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... I once had a neighbor's Pit Bull run out in front of me, so I gassed it and ran over the son of a bitch. It broke the dogs leg and caused me to go down. I bent the handle bars pretty good and broke off one of the foot pegs. This was one stupid damn dog. They told me that it chased me because it thought I was just another toy for it to chase. I had the bike back in shape in about two hours. By that time the owner came home from the veterinarian and had the nerve to come over and tell me that he was'nt going to press any charges. It was all I could do to keep from punching his lights out. And then there was the time I was heading south on I95 between Springfield and Woodbridge on Christmas Eve 2 or 3 years ago. The wind was blowing briskly from east to west. And there was all kinds of construction work being done to I95. I was riding in the far left lane with moderate to heavy traffic all around me. Suddenly I see an object move from the shoulder over into my lane. The wind had caused one of those orange and white plastic barrels that Department of Transportation use, to move partially into my lane. It was on its side, and because it did not have its base attached, it made it easy for the wind to blow it out into oncomming traffic. For a moment I thought I would get by it because it stopped moving about a third of the way into my lane. But then at the last momemt the wind caught it again and it moved square into the middle of the lane. With no room for me to change lanes I had no choice but to hit it dead on. My front tire hit it, the bike shuddered violently and the barrel slid back over onto the shoulder. Somehow I was able to keep the bike upright. I wasted no time in getting off of 95, and finished my trip by using Route 1 instead. I would sure like to talk to the sorry DOT worker that let that barrel get seperatied from its weighted base. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:53:05 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:55:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Never had this problem since I wear a full faced helmet. It must really > look funny with bug guts all over your face. ;-) > Its positively disgusting, but they dont get all over your face. What happens is they splat on your glasses, and the guts sorta kinda squoosh over the glasses and onto your face. I dont know what kinda bugs they are, but they're big and hard and HURT when they hit your body and there's been a LOT of them this year. And they have lots of guts... That DONT wipe off easy. Anyone know what kind of bugs these nasty creatures are? Besides being kamakaze bugs, I mean. Like I said. BIG. HARD. HURT. GUTS. and it aint the least bit funny. makes my skin crawl! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:12:32 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:14:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > 1. The owner of the dog was negligent in its training and was ultimately at fault. > Speakin of dogs. Theres a beautiful country road that I love to go riding on, but it used to have a spot where this one german shepherd lived and ALWAYS ran out and tried to attack us as we rode by. My ol'man would always position himself so HE would be the one the dog would go after, while I rode by. (aint he sweet?) I was thinkin about how to get that damn dog to stop goin after us, since the owners had NO intention of trying to stop him. (one time I SAW them WATCH him) What I ended up doing was getting a good size 10% pepper spray and using velcro attached it to my bike. I INTENDED to give that animal a face full of heat (as opposed to just shooting the bastard) but the next time I rode by, he was gone. He hasnt been out since. Bet a car finally took that creature down. Hope so, at least. I mean.. they didnt CARE that he was a menace. They didnt even TRY and stop him. They just WATCHED him. So, Im still thinkin that pepper spray is the answer, but havent had the opportunity to try it out yet. Which, obviously, is a good thing, cuz the idea of havin to spray something while its trying to attack me WHILE Im RIDING doesnt thrill me. I just need a better way to attach it to my bike. Something that makes it sturdy, yet easily grabbable. One handed grabbable, that is. Damn pistol's easier to get to than the pepper, but its the PEPPER I NEED to get to if its a dog thats after me. No permanent harm. Just a face full of misery for a while, and MAYBE second thoughts about DOING it again. Unless, of course, its a little dog. I just swerve around them, cuz they cant hurt me. Lift your legs and go on by. They're cute. Tiny dogs that THINK they're pit bulls. I once had a parakeet that thought it was an eagle. :) :) Squeakers-rambling From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:20:34 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 11:15:28 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, so we should never hurt anyone or anything that doing what it thinks is fun and natural? I'm sure Dhalmer thought what he was doing was fun and natural... Or does this only apply to animals.. wait, we are animals. Oh, maybe we should know better - but then again sometimes people have mental problems. Hrmm... I can't find my way though this statment........ brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I am saying hurting a dog for doing what it thought was fun and natural is wrong. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:32:48 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:32:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hitting Dogs & Snakes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, don't we have a RIGHT to run over things in the road? And if we don't exercise that right, and defend that right, then the government will take that right away from us. Don't EVER give up your rights. (TONGUE IN CHEEK; THIS IS SATIRE!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:39:27 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: CCS At Summit: Crow Bar X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Anyone planning on riding up to the races tommorrow? Anyone planning to stay and camp for Sunday as well. The Crow Bar will be there hosting a party. Write back and let's hook up. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:45:42 1997 From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'SackcoD@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:43:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain FALLING DOWN LAUGHING. That's the best one I've heard yet. > -----Original Message----- > From: SackcoD@XXXXXX [SMTP:SackcoD@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 9:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > > It's late spring, early summer. Riding on a two lane road, a school > bus > approaches from the opposite direction. At the moment we are adjacent > I feel > like I've been punched in the stomach. I look down and find a cupcake > sitting on my tank. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:48:32 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: goddardj@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:55:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Maybe it's cause I am hung over but this stories really bugs me. What >if a cager told a similar story about some crazy motorcyclist who cut >them off, so they gunned it and hit him, the tread would last for >weeks. Comparing apples and oranges aren't we? >The dog followed its instinct and you condemned it. If this dogs instinct is to run out in front of moving vehicles, then it won't be long before it's dead anyway. If I had been in a cage, then it would be dead for sure. >Could you have stop in time? No I could not have stopped in time. I probably should have said that I gassed it to try and get around the dog. It didn't work and I ended up running over the dog. >Sure the dog should have been on a short leash, Duh!! >the owner should watch the dog better. Duh!! >But sh%t happens. Some people >should not have dogs and some squids should not ride but until I am God >the wrong people will do the wrong things. I am not saying you should >not ride or that the neighbor should not have a dog. I am saying >hurting a dog for doing what it thought was fun and natural is wrong. I never set out to try and hurt anyone or anything. I like animals. Much more than most people. But when an irresponsible, brain dead owner lets his pet put its own life, along with my life and property into jeopardy, that's where I draw the line. And this owner stepped over the line. >If it was my dog you would have been in the vet too. You think so huh? Lets see here. 1. Owner (you) lets his dog run free which causes an accident with personnel and property injury. 2. Owner (you) attacks injured rider of trashed motorcycle. 3. Rider defends himself (me) from unprovoked and irrational attacker (you) 4. Rider calls police and has owner arrested for assault. 5. Police escorts owner to infirmary to treat the injuries that I inflict on him and then to a jail cell to await bail. That about covers it. Have a nice day! Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:51:05 1997 From: jcarver@XXXXXX To: Subject: Test Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:51:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a test of the D.C. cycles list. I have not received any new mail for about 1-2 weeks. Thanks. --John jcarver@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:58:15 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:56:15 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: "Griff, David" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well now we can compare a dogs brian to Dhalmers, We can talk about if Dhalmer thought what he was doing was wrong. My point is the dog did not know any better. The dog was most likely not insane. The dog was not eating another dog in front of the motorcycle. He was most likely just "playing" he should be trained not to "play" with cars bikes or what ever. But in all the dog books I have read no where did it say run over dog with bike so it learns to stay away. Are you really SURE Dhalmer thought what he was doing was fun and natural? Brian McCoy wrote: > ok, so we should never hurt anyone or anything that doing what it > > thinks is fun and natural? I'm sure Dhalmer thought what he was > doing > was fun and natural... Or does this only apply to animals.. wait, > we > are animals. Oh, maybe we should know better - but then again > sometimes people have mental problems. Hrmm... I can't find my > way > though this statment........ > > brian > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > > I am saying hurting a dog for doing what it thought was fun and > > natural is wrong. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:59:46 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: jcarver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:02:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Test CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > This is a test of the D.C. cycles list. I have not received any new > mail for about 1-2 weeks. > Thanks. > > --John > jcarver@XXXXXX > > Thats because we've been hiding all the posts from you. Squeakers all right, all right. No, we havent. Sheesh. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:05:00 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:03:32 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199710031452.KAA13841@smtp2.erols.com> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fSgc00007Q7 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME it's probably rice bugs...I know that one time I had a *pregnant* one hit my face shield and it made that loud SPLAT and then little tiny maggot like creatures, THOUSANDS OF THEM, started crawling all over my face shield....it was terminally gross..it took me over an hour when I got home to get all those LIVE little wormy thingies (tm) from out of my faceshield and helmet padding.......yeeeeeccccchhhhh..I washed my face and hair for an hour after that...... -aki > Comments: Authenticated sender is > > > > Never had this problem since I wear a full faced helmet. It must really > > look funny with bug guts all over your face. ;-) > > > > > Its positively disgusting, but they dont get all over your face. > What happens is they splat on your glasses, and the guts sorta kinda > squoosh over the glasses and onto your face. I dont know what kinda > bugs they are, but they're big and hard and HURT when they hit your > body and there's been a LOT of them this year. And they have lots of > guts... That DONT wipe off easy. Anyone know what kind of bugs these > nasty creatures are? Besides being kamakaze bugs, I mean. Like I > said. BIG. HARD. HURT. GUTS. > > and it aint the least bit funny. makes my skin crawl! > > Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:09:10 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: "Aki.Damme" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:11:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > it's probably rice bugs...I know that one time I had > a *pregnant* one hit my face shield and it made that > loud SPLAT and then little tiny maggot like creatures, > THOUSANDS OF THEM, started crawling all over my face Jeez.. thank you. I feel MUCH better now. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:37:01 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: goddardj@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:36:08 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > >If it was my dog you would have been in the vet too. > > You think so huh? > Lets see here. > > 1. Owner (you) lets his dog run free which causes an accident with > personnel and property injury. > > 2. Owner (you) attacks injured rider of trashed motorcycle. > > 3. Rider defends himself (me) from unprovoked and irrational attacker > (you) > > 4. Rider calls police and has owner arrested for assault. > > 5. Police escorts owner to infirmary to treat the injuries that I > inflict > on him and then to a jail cell to await bail. > > That about covers it. > Have a nice day! > It's not mateing season is it? I see a lot of chest puffing and plumage waving here. Steve, in your original post, it sounded like you INTENTIONALLY hit the dog. If that is not the case, then OK accidents happen. I hit a rabbit one time, in the cage, but did everything short of going in a ditch to avoid it. Still felt awful about it, but it was unavoidable. I think your original post was misleading. --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:58:51 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 12:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Steve, in your original post, it sounded like you INTENTIONALLY hit the dog. If that is not the case, then OK accidents happen. I hit a rabbit one time, in the cage, but did everything short of going in a ditch to avoid it. Still felt awful about it, but it was unavoidable. There is a bit of wisdom that says "if it's no more than you can eat in one meal, run it over". Let me explain. Trying to avoid a rabbit/squirral or any similar small animal may have you (a much larger animal) playing land comet. Grab on tight and hit the damn thing if you must. I have heard too many tales of people totally trashing their bikes and spending time in a hospital for attempting to miss the animal at the last second. I'm not advocating running down animals. Just have some sense about the situation. As Brian M. tends to say - "Ride Safe" Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:01:17 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 12:59:21 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Griff, David" , "Lisa@XXXXXX" Subject: (no subject) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this was so on topic I could not resist. Retired dog trainer Jeremiah Gerbracht, who beat a traffic ticket for riding with his dog on his Harley-Davidson two years ago is gearing up to fight the same battle all over again. The Los Angeles man was ticketed again Wednesday night for riding his motorcycle with his Siberian husky, Lady Harley, sitting in front of him on his seat. Gerbracht was previously cited for riding with Lady Harley in the same position in 1995, apparently violating a portion of state vehicle code that states no one driving a motor vehicle "shall knowingly permit any person to ride on any vehicle or upon any portion thereof not designated or intended for the use of passengers." A judge ruled in Gerbracht's favor, saying a dog cannot be considered a person and "the mere fact of a dog on a motorcycle does not appear to be covered" in the vehicle code. Gerbracht said he also expects to beat this new ticket because even though this citation is for a different section of the vehicle code, his dog is still a dog and not a person. "The LAPD is still insisting that Lady Harley is a person," said Gerbracht on Thursday. Police cited Gerbracht this time for allowing a person to willingly interfere with the driver of a vehicle. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:30:26 1997 From: Robert Johnston To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:31:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my other two wheeled sport, I've use pepper spray and just water from a water bottle to very good effect. -----Original Message----- From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 7:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > 1. The owner of the dog was negligent in its training and was ultimately at fault. > Speakin of dogs. Theres a beautiful country road that I love to go riding on, but it used to have a spot where this one german shepherd lived and ALWAYS ran out and tried to attack us as we rode by. My ol'man would always position himself so HE would be the one the dog would go after, while I rode by. (aint he sweet?) I was thinkin about how to get that damn dog to stop goin after us, since the owners had NO intention of trying to stop him. (one time I SAW them WATCH him) What I ended up doing was getting a good size 10% pepper spray and using velcro attached it to my bike. I INTENDED to give that animal a face full of heat (as opposed to just shooting the bastard) but the next time I rode by, he was gone. He hasnt been out since. Bet a car finally took that creature down. Hope so, at least. I mean.. they didnt CARE that he was a menace. They didnt even TRY and stop him. They just WATCHED him. So, Im still thinkin that pepper spray is the answer, but havent had the opportunity to try it out yet. Which, obviously, is a good thing, cuz the idea of havin to spray something while its trying to attack me WHILE Im RIDING doesnt thrill me. I just need a better way to attach it to my bike. Something that makes it sturdy, yet easily grabbable. One handed grabbable, that is. Damn pistol's easier to get to than the pepper, but its the PEPPER I NEED to get to if its a dog thats after me. No permanent harm. Just a face full of misery for a while, and MAYBE second thoughts about DOING it again. Unless, of course, its a little dog. I just swerve around them, cuz they cant hurt me. Lift your legs and go on by. They're cute. Tiny dogs that THINK they're pit bulls. I once had a parakeet that thought it was an eagle. :) :) Squeakers-rambling From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:34:38 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Todd B Peer'" Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:33:55 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Todd's point is well taken and is accentuated on dirt roads. And alot of dirt roads are out "in the country" where most of the non-domesticated animals are anyway. I had a friend loose it on a dirt road and total his truck after he made only a little, but hasty steering correction to avoid a small animal. Truck spun into a ditch. He claims that he saw it and it was just instinctive to try to avoid it. Probably was. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Todd B Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 12:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > > Steve, in your original post, it sounded like you INTENTIONALLY hit > the > dog. If that is not the case, then OK accidents happen. I hit a > rabbit > one time, in the cage, but did everything short of going in a ditch to > avoid it. Still felt awful about it, but it was unavoidable. > > There is a bit of wisdom that says "if it's no more than you can > eat in one meal, run it over". > > Let me explain. Trying to avoid a rabbit/squirral or any similar > small animal may have you (a much larger animal) playing land > comet. Grab on tight and hit the damn thing if you must. I have > heard too many tales of people totally trashing their bikes and > spending time in a hospital for attempting to miss the animal > at the last second. > > I'm not advocating running down animals. Just have some sense > about the situation. > > As Brian M. tends to say - "Ride Safe" > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:41:46 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Well now we can compare a dogs brian.... Hey Brian. When did you become a dogs pet :) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 13:48:31 1997 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:54:55 -0400 Subject: Re: (no subject) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=KRpypa8rOjdNmP4DanqxPyhJEujcDKnkqc1fO01KMf6vDAP63g3RP2L4" --0__=KRpypa8rOjdNmP4DanqxPyhJEujcDKnkqc1fO01KMf6vDAP63g3RP2L4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII These cops remind me of the joke that Todd sent out to us a while ago. A man enters in a doctor's room and says "I've been told you have discovered a machine that can lower one's IQ. I am very interested in it, since I have no success with women. They all think I am too boring when I try to have a conversation with them. My actual IQ is around 250, and I'd like to have it down to 120." "Well," says the doctor, "if you really want that, there's no problem. Just sit in this chair and put this bowl on your head." The doctor then pushes a button. The IQ starts to drop 250, 230, 200, 150, 120. At this moment, the doctor tried to push the stop button, but it was stuck! Down goes the IQ 99, 90, 80, 70. He tries again and again, but it remains stuck. The IQ drops 40, 30, 20, 10, 7, 5, 2. He finally succeeds. The man removes the bowl, stands up, looks at the doctor, walks around the machine and finally asks the doctor, "May I please see your license, registration and insurance papers?" (Embedded image moved goddardj@XXXXXX to file: 10/03/97 12:59 PM PIC23331.PCX) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dgriff@XXXXXX, Lisa@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Steve Beck/ISI) Subject: (no subject) this was so on topic I could not resist. Retired dog trainer Jeremiah Gerbracht, who beat a traffic ticket for riding with his dog on his Harley-Davidson two years ago is gearing up to fight the same battle all over again. The Los Angeles man was ticketed again Wednesday night for riding his motorcycle with his Siberian husky, Lady Harley, sitting in front of him on his seat. Gerbracht was previously cited for riding with Lady Harley in the same position in 1995, apparently violating a portion of state vehicle code that states no one driving a motor vehicle "shall knowingly permit any person to ride on any vehicle or upon any portion thereof not designated or intended for the use of passengers." A judge ruled in Gerbracht's favor, saying a dog cannot be considered a person and "the mere fact of a dog on a motorcycle does not appear to be covered" in the vehicle code. Gerbracht said he also expects to beat this new ticket because even though this citation is for a different section of the vehicle code, his dog is still a dog and not a person. "The LAPD is still insisting that Lady Harley is a person," said Gerbracht on Thursday. 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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:07:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 12:03 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > it's probably rice bugs...I know that one time I had > a *pregnant* one hit my face shield and it made that > loud SPLAT and then little tiny maggot like creatures, > THOUSANDS OF THEM, started crawling all over my face > shield....it was terminally gross..it took me over > an hour when I got home to get all those LIVE little > wormy thingies (tm) from out of my faceshield and > helmet padding.......yeeeeeccccchhhhh..I washed my > face and hair for an hour after that...... > > -aki > Where in gods name do you ride? Didn't they tell you not to ride in sewer tunnels? Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:09:19 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Helmet Strap Replacement ? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:06:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y'all- My Quantum/s is _much_ cheaper than my head. It's not as cheap as a baseball hat, but in the grand scheme of things, $375 is not much. And you don't have to get a Quantum/s, you can buy Snell approved helmets for $200 or less if you aren't too concerned about wind noise, weight, aerodynamics, etc. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:11:02 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Jim Furlong" Subject: Re: hitting snakes Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:08:14 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, he got what he deserved, I'd say. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:11:32 1997 From: To: Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:08:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT Hey all, Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to anyone. :-( Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big gathering that I'm missing out on? Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:23:01 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:25:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > Horkster > > > Well, whatever it is, Im missin out on it too. Dammit. I wanna go on a long ride. Pack up the bikes and GO. A coupla weeks otta be good enough. Just get away and go anywhere. No itinerary. Go where ya want. Stop when you choose. Just go. Squeakers-wantin to go From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:34:13 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:31:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Promise Keepers? > Hey all, > > Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both > had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the > waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass > through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but > many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to > 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been > traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to > anyone. :-( > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > Horkster > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:41:26 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:38:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, y'all-- I think it was a question of what hit us, not what we hit. I got hit in the shoulder by a bird while bicycling. It sounded like somebody threw a newspaper at me. The bird survived. Frances, the woman to whom I sold my 92 VFR, had a story.... I should preface this by saying she is, um, uh, amply, um, endowed. Yeah, that's it. Anyway, she had a bee hit her in the chest while riding on I-95 with her jacket not fully zipped. The bee went down her shirt and into her bra, whereupon it decided that stinging would be a good idea. So it did. Frances pulled off the road as promptly as possible and made haste to extract the bee from her brasierre. This involved removing all constraining garments. You get the picture. (No, I don't have pictures. Sorry.) I think the guy who hit the snake is a loathsome s.o.b (no, I don't have a pet snake, but I rescued a run-over snake from the road who lived a long happy life in my yard, after I took the seats and carpet out of the car to get him out) If the guy who hit the dog tried to avoid it, he's ok, but should have been more clear. I agree that we shouldn't risk wrecking to avoid an animal, but everything up to that point is our duty as humans. I hit a dog on my 73 CB750. Did everything I could to avoid it, but hit it in the head with my crashbar. Somebody contacted the owner and took it to the vet. I don't know if it survived and I hate that I had to hit it. Yes, the owner was an irresponsible moron, but it wasn't him in the road, unfortunately. That's all I have to say about that. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:47:11 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: air compressor has a new home Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:44:19 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, all. My broken air compressor will be leaving soon. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:48:22 1997 From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:48:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Dog Riders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dog Max rides with me all the time. Nobody ever tried giving us a ticket, or accusing Max of being a person. Of course, maybe that's because Max rides in back, not in front. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:50:55 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:48:09 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fUUA00004d8 ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME They're promise keepers...saw an article a couple of years ago that showed that 20 or 30 thousand bikers attend this event and it's being held at RFK this weekend, they expect upwards of 1 million men there... Squeakers here's your chance..1 million male slaves.. outta last ya atleast a couple of months before you have to throw them away.. ;-) cheers, -aki > Hey all, > > Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both > had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the > waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass > through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but > many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to > 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been > traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to > anyone. :-( > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > Horkster > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:52:34 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:49:16 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: FW: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fUWx00004fT ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME hey *anybody* can drive on a girly girl ROAD... > X-Priority: 3 > > > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 12:03 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... > > > > it's probably rice bugs...I know that one time I had > > a *pregnant* one hit my face shield and it made that > > loud SPLAT and then little tiny maggot like creatures, > > THOUSANDS OF THEM, started crawling all over my face > > shield....it was terminally gross..it took me over > > an hour when I got home to get all those LIVE little > > wormy thingies (tm) from out of my faceshield and > > helmet padding.......yeeeeeccccchhhhh..I washed my > > face and hair for an hour after that...... > > > > -aki > > > Where in gods name do you ride? Didn't they tell you not to ride in > sewer tunnels? > > Amit > CBR1000 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:08:27 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:05:13 -0400 From: "Aki.Damme" Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971003184035.AAA5536@default> X400-Mts-Identifier: [ /P=CITICORP/A=MCI/C=US/ ; MTASO90002US 12fVc000004LD ] X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.0.2-p8)/MIME On a simliar note we were driving home one evening last summer and came across a cat that had been hit lying in the middle of the road.....all of the cars in front of us just basically drove around it thinking it was dead but something made us stop to check...... the poor kitty had a huge gash on the side of it's head and looked like part of it's ribs had been crushed but it was definately alive... She made a faint meow when we came over to her but we talked to her softly and very carefully picked her up and rushed her to an animal hospital..they didn't think she would live but we wanted them to call us either way the next day (they said it would take atleast the next 24 hours after surgery to know if she'd make it). The next day they said that, miraculously, she survived and should make a full recovery. Another lady who had stopped to direct traffic and assist us adopted the kitty (when we dropped the cat off at the vet, we went door to door for about three blocks from the "accident" to try and find the owner and nobody knew who's cat it was..it had a collar so we know it was someones pet). Today, the kitty is fine and living a very fat and protected life INDOORS... cheers, -aki (who is slave to two cats and a dobie)...... > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > > Hey, y'all-- > > I think it was a question of what hit us, not what we hit. > > I got hit in the shoulder by a bird while bicycling. It sounded like > somebody threw a newspaper at me. The bird survived. > > Frances, the woman to whom I sold my 92 VFR, had a story.... I should > preface this by saying she is, um, uh, amply, um, endowed. Yeah, that's > it. Anyway, she had a bee hit her in the chest while riding on I-95 with > her jacket not fully zipped. The bee went down her shirt and into her bra, > whereupon it decided that stinging would be a good idea. So it did. > Frances pulled off the road as promptly as possible and made haste to > extract the bee from her brasierre. This involved removing all > constraining garments. You get the picture. (No, I don't have pictures. > Sorry.) > > I think the guy who hit the snake is a loathsome s.o.b (no, I don't have a > pet snake, but I rescued a run-over snake from the road who lived a long > happy life in my yard, after I took the seats and carpet out of the car to > get him out) If the guy who hit the dog tried to avoid it, he's ok, but > should have been more clear. I agree that we shouldn't risk wrecking to > avoid an animal, but everything up to that point is our duty as humans. I > hit a dog on my 73 CB750. Did everything I could to avoid it, but hit it > in the head with my crashbar. Somebody contacted the owner and took it to > the vet. I don't know if it survived and I hate that I had to hit it. > Yes, the owner was an irresponsible moron, but it wasn't him in the road, > unfortunately. > > That's all I have to say about that. > > Later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:28:46 1997 From: To: Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:26:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 45 TEXT Guess that's gonna make the Million Man March look like a company picnic. Horkster ---------- From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 2:48 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? They're promise keepers...saw an article a couple of years ago that showed that 20 or 30 thousand bikers attend this event and it's being held at RFK this weekend, they expect upwards of 1 million men there... Squeakers here's your chance..1 million male slaves.. outta last ya atleast a couple of months before you have to throw them away.. ;-) cheers, -aki > Hey all, > > Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both > had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the > waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass > through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but > many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to > 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been > traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to > anyone. :-( > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > Horkster > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:35:26 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:34:45 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New to list Hey gang! I'm new to this list. In case it matters, I have probably had face to face contact with some of you during my years of service in the m/c industry. In spite of what many riders think, not all franchised dealerships are made up of socially-mentally-people skill-challenged individuals. I have worked the past two decades for big and small shops like Coleman Powersport, Clinton Cycles, Swienns, Beltway Kawasaki, et al. If any one remembers me or just wants to converse on the subject of motorcycles, give me a hoot. I am currently self-employed; considering opening up an independent store to serve the motorcycle and atv public. If any one has an interest, I have some new Sporster accessories to sell so I can continue to enjoy my self-employment and add some space to the basement. Thanks for your time, Richard Wood rdwoodjr@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:49:08 1997 From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:45:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain What are promise keepers? > -----Original Message----- > From: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 3:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? > > Guess that's gonna make the Million Man March look > like a company picnic. > > Horkster > > ---------- > From: Aki.Damme[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 2:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? > > They're promise keepers...saw an article a couple of years > ago that showed that 20 or 30 thousand bikers attend > this event and it's being held at RFK this weekend, they > expect upwards of 1 million men there... > > Squeakers here's your chance..1 million male slaves.. > outta last ya atleast a couple of months before you > have to throw them away.. ;-) > > cheers, > -aki > > > > Hey all, > > > > Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both > > had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the > > waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass > > through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but > > many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups > of > 5 to > > 10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks > had > been > > traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to > talk > to > > anyone. :-( > > > > Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big > > gathering that I'm missing out on? > > > > Horkster > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:51:35 1997 From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:47:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (This is a reposting -- not sure original made it) The info at http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/DISCUSS.html, Tip #94, grounds my "virtual tach". The motorcycle-based formula, massaged with a bit of spreadsheet work, gave me a little 18-number chart I have posted to my tank: All the inputs were readily available. As an ex-sportycar-driver first-biker, I early on found a need to peg my tachless delight's engine growl (or whine) to the numbers. This has come close -- and, having served and comforted, is soon to pass on. Other Tips on that site have been a boost, also. Bill Swanson '96 Vulcan 500 Downtown D.C. ---------- > From: jcarver@XXXXXX > To: bandit-talk@XXXXXX; suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed > Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 12:01 PM > > Does anyone know how to calculate a given engine speed at a given mph > with a given gear ratio? What I am trying to do is determine the > difference between stock gear ratio rpm's at 60mph vs engine rpm at > 60mph with a new gear ratio. (Changing only the front & rear > sprockets, of course) Thanks. > > --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:52:06 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: "Aki.Damme" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:54:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > They're promise keepers...saw an article a couple of years > ago that showed that 20 or 30 thousand bikers attend > this event and it's being held at RFK this weekend, they > expect upwards of 1 million men there... > Ohhh, THAT thing. Ok. I wasnt aware that bikers were part of that. My mom is a preacher with a food distribution warehouse thingy in Northern Va. (yes, Im a preachers daughter). She's involved in that thing this weekend, too. Plus today she was in DC doing some food distribution thing involving those schools that aint got roofs. Or somethin like that. I mostly stay out of the stuff that she's involved in. Once ya start helpin her, she dont let cha go. > Squeakers here's your chance..1 million male slaves.. > outta last ya atleast a couple of months before you > have to throw them away.. ;-) um.. I kinda thought that promise keepers meant a buncha men promisin to be the heads of their families. Or somethin like that. I dont think they'd be willin to be slaves. 'course, like I said.. if my moms involved, I dont pay attention to it, so I COULD be wrong about what the "promise keepers" is all about. Besides. Im only interested in havin the BIKER promise keepers bein my slaves. They dont wear out as quick. Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:57:44 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:57:01 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Subject: re: weirdest hits 1985. capital beltway, outer loop, Springfield Va. 9 pm. heavy rain. fogged up face shield. 65 mph. unseen tractor trailer tire 3/4 carcass. GL1200 front tire hits it, becomes airborne. back Gl tire kicks up. Front tire one foot in air, rear two feet. Comes down on front wheel me looking over windshield. Rear comes down. No worries.Go home and drink heavily. Somebody up there like likes me. 1988. Wilson Bridge, outer loop. dark. ZG1000 passing tractor trailer, SUDDENLY!!! SHOWER OF SPARKS AND THUMP ON WINDSHIELD!! Truck driver has thrown cigar out window. First instant fear, then, well, you're riders, you know anger. Me, passing truck, uselessly indicating trucker is number one in my book. 1975. Clinton Md, route 5. traffic light. me stopped on Z1 Kawasaki with 9 miles on it. two weeks on the job at small Kawasaki dealer. cage doesn't see fastest bike on earth while doing 50 mph (according to police). cage drags Z1 200 feet down road. me sails over car, lands on head, wakes up in middle of road. stand up. walk to median strip, pass out, wake up while do gooders try to take helmet off with i fight to keep it on. I'm Ok. I walk home 5 miles in daze not realizing my left elbow is broken and blood is running down my jeans. I'm no hero. I ride again as soon as I can. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:59:31 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:58:51 -0400 (EDT) To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? I wasn't going to say that, but i was thinking somewhere along the same lines. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:04:32 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e What are promise keepers? Men who have made a promise to their wives and children to be good fathers as I understand it. They want to live by example to the sods who split. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:15:25 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:17:22 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Promise Keepers [no moto content] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > What are promise keepers? Jeannette, Promise Keepers is an organization started by football coach Bill McCartney (Colorado), which hold gatherings for men to renew their vows (in a way) and acknowledge their responisbilities as men - to their wive's and families. It generally eschews activities such as gambling, carousing, financial immaturity etc... and supports what Dan Quayle might call "solid, traditional values." It is also primarily white, more blue collar, and some feminists object to it on the grounds that it wants to (re)domesticate the modern wife. Other women have remarked that the very existence of the group with its credo of "taking responsibility" points to the vapid nature of our society if men need to join such a group before they act like responsible individuals. (Chris Rock said something similar on his special sometime back ;) There is also some dovetailing with the aims of some Christian fundamentalist groups M-` la Christian Coalition, and Pat Robertson too, I believe. JK (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:17:24 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 15:59:31 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: CCS At Summit: Crow Bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just packed the truck - I'll be on my way in about 40 minutes... blue tent on the inside (riders right) of the straight between 3 and 4. Tonight and tomorrow night - hot dogs, smores and beer... music too (for everyone tonight). Hope to see ya there. Brian McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: CCS At Summit: Crow Bar Author: "Todd B Peer" at smtplink-micros Date: 10/3/97 11:00 AM Anyone planning on riding up to the races tommorrow? Anyone planning to stay and camp for Sunday as well. The Crow Bar will be there hosting a party. Write back and let's hook up. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:17:26 1997 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 16:04:12 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit guess I beg well??? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Well now we can compare a dogs brian.... Hey Brian. When did you become a dogs pet :) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:18:30 1997 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:24:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hitting things In-Reply-To: <199710031224.IAA13561@smtp3.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Squeakers! At (long) last we've found something we agree on. But I knew it would have to happen eventually. --garcia "How can you tell a happy biker? By the (small!) bugs on their teeth." On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Squeakers wrote: > > > I have a good friend who sometimes does wierd things. He was crossing the > > desert on his beemer when he spotted, far ahead, a snake slithering across > > the road. He veered slightly so he would run right over the snake > > mid-length. The snake must have tensed up as the wheel hit it. > > > Thats not weird. Thats cruel. Sick. Ignorant. The snake was in HIS home territory, > out looking for food and just in general trying to survive. (keeping > the rodent population under control at the same time) So, your friend > goes into the snakes home, and even though the snake was absolutely > NO threat, your friend tried to kill him. Wounded him, absolutely. > Possibly mortally. But did it on purpose. If Id been there, it would > have been your FRIEND that would have been slithering away. > I hate assholes that kill snakes "just for the fun of it". > [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:22:19 1997 From: To: , Subject: RE: weirdest hits Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:19:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 36 TEXT Ahh, man, a 75 Z1 with 9 miles toasted.... I want to go some where and cry. Those bikes (still) rule. Those 9 miles were probably really fun, weren't they? Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 ---------- From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX[SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 3:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Subject: re: weirdest hits <>. 1975. Clinton Md, route 5. traffic light. me stopped on Z1 Kawasaki with 9 miles on it. two weeks on the job at small Kawasaki dealer. cage doesn't see fastest bike on earth while doing 50 mph (according to police). cage drags Z1 200 feet down road. me sails over car, lands on head, wakes up in middle of road. stand up. walk to median strip, pass out, wake up while do gooders try to take helmet off with i fight to keep it on. I'm Ok. I walk home 5 miles in daze not realizing my left elbow is broken and blood is running down my jeans. I'm no hero. I ride again as soon as I can. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:27:49 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:27:09 -0400 (EDT) To: dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: weirdest hits That's ok on the Z1. It wasn't mine. Mine with 500 miles on it was back at the dealer where I worked. Back in the 70's and early 80's, if you worked at a shop, YOU GOT TO RIDE EVERY MOTORCYCLE IN THE PLACE!!!!! NOW I GOT TEARS IN MY EYES!!! Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:30:44 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: weirdest hits Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:29:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > Truck driver has thrown cigar out window. > I laughed so hard at the irony when my wife came back from a short vacation to LA saying that she was pulled over while driving her friends car for throwing a cigarette butt out the window. The cop wanted to fine her $300. I said well they are probably trying to keep the roads VERY clean, when she said no, the cop said it's with respect to motorcyclists. She asked if it was because he rode a motorcycle that he was aware of the phenomena. He said no, it is actually an enforceable law in LA. Imagine, and we're still trying to stop people from throwing their cars at us. Amit CBR1000 No Respect! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:34:40 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:35:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New to list CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Hey gang! I'm new to this list. In case it matters, I have probably had face > to face contact with some of you during my years of service in the m/c > industry. In spite of what many riders think, not all franchised dealerships > are made up of socially-mentally-people skill-challenged individuals. I have > worked the past two decades for big and small shops like Coleman Powersport, > Richard Wood Hey there, Richard. Before you can be welcomed into this group, you have to answer a coupla questions. 1) a cop pulls you over for riding in the HOV lanes SAYIN it aint legal when you KNOW it is. you a) tell him you're sorry, it will never happen again b) tell him to fuck off c) tell him calmly he made a mistake. THEN tell him to fuck off. 2) You decide that you need to carry some personal protection. You a) attach your pistol to the handlebars with velcro b) just carry it in your hands and wave it at everyone. ( hey! If they dont wanna get shot, they can get outta the way!) c) carry a passenger so SHE can carry your shotgun for you d) aint gotta gun of any kind (wimp) 3) You're minding your own business when a cop from outta no where says he wants to search you cuz somewhere someone just robbed something, and he wants to make sure it wasnt you. You a) say sure officer! and let him search you. b) say fuck off c) tell him calmly he made a mistake. THEN tell him to fuck off. 4) You always wear a full faced bright colorful helmet cuz a) it looks real spiffy b) it matches your multi color space suit you always ride in c) Hey! Its YOUR head and you're gonna protect it! d) you believe in natural selection e) full faced helmet?!?! Who's got one of those? 5) You see an animal in the road. You a) just avoid it if you can. b) aim right for the sucker c) shoot it d) scream obscenities at it as you squeal by it ( a personal favorite of mine) e) pick it up and take it home. Hell if they'd a wanted it, they'd a kept it inside. 6) you're goin down a twisty country road full of amazing scenery. You..... a) relax, take your time and enjoy it. b) scenery? who can see scenery goin 120 mph on your rocket machine? Well, thats a start. If you answer them all in a way that pleases EVERYONE on this list, then you can stay. Squeakers. the resident PITA > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:57:11 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:54:59 -0400 (EDT) To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Grueling test of fire. ok. 1.c 2.none of them. I just sold my 18 round Glock, so I'll have to sling my assault rifle over my back. Dunno know if that's legal, but it get attention in my pick up by tailgaters. 3.c 4.c 5.I would say "a", but I noticed "d". 6.b. Even my GL1200 saw 100 mph every day commuting. Ain't the beltway a great place to ride with reckless abandon? Especially with Wagner's "Flight of the Valkerie" commin outta the 100 watt stereo I put in the Wing! Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 17:06:48 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Amit Chatterjie CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: FW: weirdest hits X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e I laughed so hard at the irony when my wife came back from a short vacation to LA saying that she was pulled over while driving her friends car for throwing a cigarette butt out the window. The cop wanted to fine her $300. I said well they are probably trying to keep the roads VERY clean, when she said no, the cop said it's with respect to motorcyclists. She asked if it was because he rode a motorcycle that he was aware of the phenomena. He said no, it is actually an enforceable law in LA. Man, I am MOVING! That is real respect. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 17:17:22 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:19:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Grueling test of fire. CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > of the Valkerie" commin outta the 100 watt stereo I put in the Wing! > Richard > another rocketeer... Im surrounded by Rocketeers....... Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 17:21:54 1997 From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: weirdest hits Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:20:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I was following friends to a club last weekend on my bike and one of THEM threw a cigarette out the window which I had to dodge!! These are the same friends who'd been commenting all night on how they want to take the MSF class so they can ride themselves... > -----Original Message----- > From: Amit Chatterjie [SMTP:achatterjie@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 4:30 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: FW: weirdest hits > > > Truck driver has thrown cigar out window. > > > I laughed so hard at the irony when my wife came back from a short > vacation to LA saying that she was pulled over while driving her > friends > car for throwing a cigarette butt out the window. The cop wanted to > fine > her $300. I said well they are probably trying to keep the roads VERY > clean, when she said no, the cop said it's with respect to > motorcyclists. She asked if it was because he rode a motorcycle that > he > was aware of the phenomena. He said no, it is actually an enforceable > law in LA. > > Imagine, and we're still trying to stop people from throwing their > cars > at us. > > Amit > CBR1000 > > No Respect! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 17:39:21 1997 From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: weirdest hits Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:38:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > ---------- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 5:20 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: weirdest hits > > I was following friends to a club last weekend on my bike and one of > THEM threw a cigarette out the window which I had to dodge!! These > are > the same friends who'd been commenting all night on how they want to > take the MSF class so they can ride themselves... > The thought of taking the MSF got them pretty nervous, huh! In Italy we set up out own er...MSF course. We would ride next to the nubies on a curve and the pillion rider would suddenly pull the key out the ignition of the other bike. We all got really good on the curves after that. Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 18:22:19 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Eric Driskell" Organization: I'm unorganized! To: jay goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:21:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: In CA, Dogs are people too Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34352469.2C1D8F00@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) > Gerbracht said he also expects to beat this new ticket > because even though this citation is for a > different section of the vehicle code, his dog is still a dog > and not a person. "The LAPD is still > insisting that Lady Harley is a person," said Gerbracht on > Thursday. Police cited Gerbracht this time > for allowing a person to willingly interfere with the driver of > a vehicle. > Imagine, If they rule the dog is a person will that mean that all dog owners can now claim their dogs as an exemption on their taxes? Since the dog is now a person? Can we get SSN's for our dogs? They would be people now! The courts say so! Tee Hee, imagine the precident that'll get set.. =========================== Eric Driskell / http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/2276 1985 Honda V65 Magna (Looking good, but needs some TLC, VA) 1986 Honda V65 Magna (Wrecked and totaled, VA) *sniff* 1981 Honda CB750F Supersport "2 fast 4 your a$$" (Retired, SC) 1975 Honda CB750K3 "The Green Machine" (Sold, CA) 1976 Honda CB-70 "Ol Red" (Retired, TN) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 18:36:51 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:36:00 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: flamers Have you ever had a car load of larger than you people with bad attitudes throw a lit cigarette and hit you on your bike at a traffic light? I also got spit on once sitting in stalled traffic on 495, which insued some serious verbal abuse in both directions while I played "Walter Mitty thinks he can't get his ass kicked". Nowdays you watch what you say or do in public. I used to look for trouble in younger days. Thank goodness for the 4 college football players 3 cars away! Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 18:45:44 1997 From: "kevin thomas" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: New to list Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:42:56 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert and Squeakers-- He gets my vote. Oh, wait, what kind of assault rifle? And what's the excuse for selling the Glock? Later Kevin 87 VFR 700, Glock 19 (16-round), Remington 870 Wingmaster, and I want an FAL He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 19:10:47 1997 X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 19:12:02 -0400 To: , , From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: New to list Cc: In-Reply-To: <19971003224503.AAA9721@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" He he he.....I'll throw in a vote... Squeakers: nice questionair....but it needs one about the best insurance, what type of oil, and something regarding reckless driving tickets..or liars, er I mean lawyers.... CT Star Firestar+ (14 rd 9mm....same size as Walther ppk) Star Megastar (13 rd 45acp...same size as Baretta 92F just bigger bullets:) Colt King Cobra (357mag...my favorite of the bunch) Ruger MKII Competition model (22lr...extremely accurate) Antique Ithaca 20guage shotgun (single shot, lever action barrel) Ruger M77 MII (chambered in 338 WinMag....can you say "kills damn near anything alive!!) MAK90 Assault rifle (for deer huntin....thumbhole version of AK47...7.62x39) Oh yeah, and I have a few bikes too :) I'll be out at Summit all weekend. Hope to run into a fews of ya..... I think I'll be corner working, but when I get a break or at the end of the day, I'll probably be hangin out with Brian at his camp or at Rich Sturges' (EX500 master) pit near pit out. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 19:28:40 1997 From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:27:54 -0400 (EDT) To: tjoseph@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dog Riders 2 questions: First, how big is your dog? Second, how do you keep the beast in position? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 19:48:06 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "Squeakers" CC: Subject: Re: Grueling test of fire. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e > of the Valkerie" commin outta the 100 watt stereo I put in the Wing! > Richard > another rocketeer... Im surrounded by Rocketeers....... Squeakers > Squeakers, You sound like this woman we met at Mt. Mitchell in NC when me and Linda T. pulled up next to her and her hubbies FLXTJSHDKS(whatever). We said 'Hi'. They said 'Hi'. She was holding her little dog and looking at our bikes when she asked, 'Are you some of them speeders?' I just had to laugh out loud which seemed to surprise her. Anyway, ZOOM !! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 23:38:36 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Patric.Mahoney@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 23:39:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New to list Priority: normal In-reply-to: <971003152717_1275928097@emout20.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) hey there, Welcome Nice to see someone staying in MC business. I had to support a family soo.. now I'm a computer geek. I also worked at Coleman's, Schwein's, and Cycle's Arlington too. What kind of business are you doing and where is it. By the way if you ever see Barry Schwein tell him Bones Mahoney say's to eat shit and die! and thanks again for the $250 Lottery ticket win!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 23:44:47 1997 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:50:58 -0400 From: Stephen Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Austin: Do you work in forensic medicine, or do you only work for dead people? Stephen 650 Hawk GT. Soon to become a 700 Hawk GT!!! ameadows wrote: > You have the formula you figure it out. > > I have used that formula for motorcycles as well, but the driver is > usualy dead. > > Austin > GS1100+EZ (1230) > "Life begins with a twist of the wrist" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 23:52:12 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Patric.Mahoney@XXXXXX To: Squeakers@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 23:55:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New to list CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199710032038.QAA03282@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Hey Sqeaks Good questionare Well thought out, it covers most of the recient threads I saved it for when I need to laugh at ourselves on this thing!! BTW did you ever get the reply on my moniker I just found some old outgoing in my que, but some that I know that I sent later were gone ( well I meant to send them ) Bones From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 00:24:04 1997 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 00:31:05 -0400 From: Stephen Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Dog gone funny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well the police will regret the day they win this one... Honestly officer, my dog was driving breathalize him.... My dog doesn't have a licence to drive, I suggest you write him a ticket. He'll speak up in court... Well, officer, I was carjacked by a dog, but after the accident he ran away. Noticeable features? Well, he had hair over his entire body, wasn't wearing any clothes, and threatened to bite me if I resisted. Oh, and he drooled a bit out of the right side of his mouth .... yeah, just like that... Your honor, this dog doesn't speak english, and we've had some difficulty in finding a translator ... I've got to stop. This is going too far. :-) Stephen jay goddard wrote: > this was so on topic I could not resist. > > Retired dog trainer Jeremiah Gerbracht, who beat a traffic ticket for > riding with his dog on his > Harley-Davidson two years ago is gearing up to fight the same > battle all over again. The Los Angeles > man was ticketed again Wednesday night for riding his motorcycle > with his Siberian husky, Lady > Harley, sitting in front of him on his seat. > > Gerbracht was previously cited for riding with Lady Harley in the > same position in 1995, apparently > violating a portion of state vehicle code that states no one > driving a motor vehicle "shall knowingly > permit any person to ride on any vehicle or upon any portion > thereof not designated or intended for > the use of passengers." A judge ruled in Gerbracht's favor, saying > a dog cannot be considered a > person and "the mere fact of a dog on a motorcycle does not appear > to be covered" in the vehicle > code. > > Gerbracht said he also expects to beat this new ticket because even > though this citation is for a > different section of the vehicle code, his dog is still a dog and > not a person. "The LAPD is still > insisting that Lady Harley is a person," said Gerbracht on > Thursday. Police cited Gerbracht this time > for allowing a person to willingly interfere with the driver of a > vehicle. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 04:14:56 1997 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 04:14:07 -0400 X-Sender: jfurlong@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jim Furlong Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? >From: >To: >Subject: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:08:56 -0400 >Encoding: 16 TEXT > >Hey all, > >Had lunch today with my wife in Manassas. We both >had our scoots, and boy is my arm tired from all the >waving we had to do. Saw a few HUNDRED bikers pass >through town during our lunch, mostly Harleys, but >many other types as well. All headed East. Mostly in small groups of 5 to >10. Almost all of them were packed to the hilt, like these folks had been >traveling a long ways. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to talk to >anyone. :-( > >Anybody out in Netland know what's up? Some big >gathering that I'm missing out on? > >Horkster > Dale: Its my guess that all those bikes were on their way to the Promise Keepers meeting at the mall in Washington on Saturday. Jim Furlong From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 06:53:49 1997 X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 06:54:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Off to the races Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey everyone, I'm heading out to Summit within the hour. If anyones interested in tagging along give a shout. I'll check the mail just before leaving... Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 07:19:39 1997 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 07:19:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob and Val King To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe king@XXXXXX from DC Cycles list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 09:42:52 1997 From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:42:06 -0400 (EDT) To: Patric.Mahoney@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Barry I believe Barry died two or three years ago. His girl friend, Missy, at that time, works at Atlantic Cycle. The last time I heard his name mentioned in front of her, she broke down. But you might contact her now if you cared for him. When I worked with him in 1979, he was a pre-d drone and I didn't get to know him well. I have heard your name many times in the business, but don't believe we've met. Not working this minute. I supported my family while working in the m/c bis by running a vending route part time for 12 years so I could enjoy screwing around at a bike shop; made more money vending. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 09:44:28 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Bonez@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:46:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New to list CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Hey Sqeaks > Good questionare > Well thought out, it covers most of the recient threads > I saved it for when I need to laugh at ourselves on this thing!! But it needs to be added to! I was thinkin maybe an electric vest question. GOTTA have one of THEM, eh? > > > BTW did you ever get the reply on my moniker I just found some old > outgoing in my que, but some that I know that I sent later were gone > ( well I meant to send them ) Lets see... behind in everything... forgetful...dont know what you've done or who you've done it to.... never keepin your end up... hmmmm yup. Sounds like a MAN! :) Yup, I got it. :) > > Bones Dont worry. I wont tell ANYONE the disgusting things you did to you..know..what.. in order to get that moniker, ok? Squeakers the Troll > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 15:40:12 1997 From: DRChapman@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:39:26 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe DRChapman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 17:53:26 1997 From: Bandt1200@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:50:59 -0400 (EDT) To: bandit-talk@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear Ratios: Calc of Engine Speed To calculate engine RPM at 60 MPH; A. Measure the distance the rear wheel travels in one revolution, by marking the tire tread with chalk, and marking the pavement at the same location, then push the bike forward for one wheel revolution, and mark the pavement again. The distance between the two marks on the pavement is the dimension you want. Convert this to decimal feet (My bike, 6 ft - 0 5/8 inches, = 6.052 feet). B. At 60 MPH, you travel one mile per minute, or 5280 feet per minute. Divide this distance by the tire revolution distance obtained above to get the RPM of the rear wheel at 60 MPH. (My Bike, 5280 / 6.052 = 872 RPM rear wheel @ 60 MPH). C. Multiply this rear wheel RPM by the ratios for the final drive to get the transmission output shaft RPM (My bike, 15 tooth sprocket to 45 tooth sprocket, ratio = 45/15 = 3.00, 872 x 3.00 = 2616 RPM transmission output shaft @ 60 mph). D. Multiply this transmission output shaft RPM by the ratio for the transmission (in whatever gear you are interested in) to get the transmission input shaft RPM (My bike, 0.913 in 5th gear, 2616 x 0.913 = 2388 transmission input shaft RPM @ 60 mph) E. Multiply this transmission input shaft RPM by the ratio for the primary drive to get the engine RPM (My bike, 1.565 , 2388 x1.565 = 3736 engine RPM @ 60 mph in 5th gear) The RPM and MPH are linearly porportional for other speeds in the same gear, for example, 120 MPH in 5th gear is 120/60 = 2x speed, therefore 2x 3736 = 7472 RPM at 120 MPH in 5th, this is just where the big Bandit engine begins to shine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 16:29:40 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:31:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: another bug! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Ok. Another bug thing, only not a bug in the face or teeth. Im thinkin that maybe this'll fit in the "weirdest" category we just had, only it aint really weird. I was out ridin today...had on a button up shirt with the top coupla buttons open (as always) and a bug flew into my shirt and right into my bra. So, here I am gettin bit by some damn bug while I have my hand stuck in my shirt tryin to grab it out. Which of course makes the shirt open up pretty damn good. I got the bug, at least. It was a little biting sucker, so I ended up havin to crush it and kill it to get it, then pick off its tiny crushed body and fling it away. All while Im doin between 45 and 50 onna twisty road. Im thinkin its a good thing Im not well endowed, or that sucker mighta been even harder to get to. Im also glad I didnt see anyone I know while it was happening. They'd probably think I was strange. Or maybe just like playin with myself an awful lot. Well, Its a bug thing, anyway. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 18:20:53 1997 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini To: DC-Cycles , squeakers@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another bug! In-Reply-To: <199710052028.QAA13110@smtp3.erols.com> Organization: Northern Virgina Internet Access Cooperative X-X-Sender: pierre@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I do not see this as weird. I see this as appropriate. Death of the insect is the quickest way to allow continued control of the motorcycle. Pain is not an option. Appearance is of no consideration. Survival is all that matters. Those that race motorcycles experience this practically every time they race. Those that commute, experience it every week. Do not let bugs, cars, the law, anything, get in your way to survive. 'course I do not drive around with my blouse unbuttoned, either.... -pierre On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Squeakers wrote: > > Ok. Another bug thing, only not a bug in the face or > teeth. Im thinkin that maybe this'll fit in the "weirdest" > category we just had, only it aint really weird. I was out > ridin today...had on a button up shirt with the top coupla > buttons open (as always) and a bug flew into my shirt and > right into my bra. So, here I am gettin bit by some damn > bug while I have my hand stuck in my shirt tryin to grab it > out. Which of course makes the shirt open up pretty damn > good. I got the bug, at least. It was a little biting > sucker, so I ended up havin to crush it and kill it to get > it, then pick off its tiny crushed body and fling it away. > All while Im doin between 45 and 50 onna twisty road. Im > thinkin its a good thing Im not well endowed, or that > sucker mighta been even harder to get to. Im also glad I > didnt see anyone I know while it was happening. They'd > probably think I was strange. Or maybe just like playin > with myself an awful lot. > Well, Its a bug thing, anyway. > > Squeakers > -- Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me MIME mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 23:24:57 1997 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:21:52 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX, squeakers@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another bug! Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini Subject: Re: another bug! 'course I do not drive around with my blouse unbuttoned, either.... -pierre Gee all those busty babes who pose with their bikes in all the biker mags and calendars must have a devil of a time maintaining control on the street! I imagine all those cups, faux-bondage straps, shear lingerie and lacy see-through things collect all kinds of bugs and debris. It must be *very* distracting! (I can tell you, some of them make *me* loose control :-) - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 07:15:07 1997 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Amit Chatterjie'" Subject: RE: weirdest hits Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:14:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 20 TEXT I've always said I'd like to be a cop for one day just so I could nail the 50 or so people I see everyday throwing cigarette butts outta the windows of cars. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >I laughed so hard at the irony when my wife came back from a short >vacation to LA saying that she was pulled over while driving her friends >car for throwing a cigarette butt out the window. The cop wanted to fine >her $300. I said well they are probably trying to keep the roads VERY >clean, when she said no, the cop said it's with respect to >motorcyclists. She asked if it was because he rode a motorcycle that he >was aware of the phenomena. He said no, it is actually an enforceable >law in LA. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 07:16:14 1997 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Grueling test of fire. Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:16:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT I say we let him stay. I have reviewed his answers and they get a good grade with me. Although I wouldn't have sold my Glock! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >ok. >1.c >2.none of them. I just sold my 18 round Glock, so I'll have to sling my >assault rifle over my back. Dunno know if that's legal, but it get attention >in my pick up by tailgaters. >3.c >4.c >5.I would say "a", but I noticed "d". >6.b. Even my GL1200 saw 100 mph every day commuting. Ain't the beltway a >great place to ride with reckless abandon? Especially with Wagner's "Flight >of the Valkerie" commin outta the 100 watt stereo I put in the Wing! >Richard > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 08:58:05 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:59:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: another bug! CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Gee all those busty babes who pose with their bikes in all the biker > mags and calendars must have a devil of a time maintaining control on > the street! I imagine all those cups, faux-bondage straps, shear > lingerie and lacy see-through things collect all kinds of bugs and > debris. It must be *very* distracting! > > (I can tell you, some of them make *me* loose control :-) > > - Hacker > Yeah yeah yeah.... like they actually ride. uhuh..sure... I can see it now. Busty (FAKE!!) bimbo sittin on the BACK of the bike of some biker that's givin her a ride hopin to GET a ride. She's giggling "giddy yup" and yelling "yippee". Her overly painted mouth open wide with delight. A bug flies in her mouth. She chokes on it, falls off the bike and gets a major case of road rash. Ah, the beauty of it all!! Why do they have ta use them damn non ridin models for those pics? hell, I would MUCH prefer to see pics of REAL bikers on bikes than "pretty boy" models (gag), so why dont MEN feel that way too? Ill tell ya why! Cuz men are pigs. Thats why. Its all that damn testosterone. Oh, well. Gotta luv em anyhows, I guess. They'd be boring if they were any different, and then what would us wimmins have ta talk about!!!! :) Squeakers- luvin em thats full of that testosterone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:07:29 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:35:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? In-Reply-To: <19971003200339.AAA14653@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:02 PM 10/3/97 -0400, Todd B Peer wrote: > > >What are promise keepers? > > Men who have made a promise to their wives and children to be > good fathers as I understand it. They want to live by example > to the sods who split. That's the first part of it. The rest is that these are middle-class evangelical and charismatic Christians. They take the Bible literally, and use it to justify their wives assuming a submissive role in family life. Many believe men are the only ones capable of spiritual growth. Promise Keepers was started and gets a lot of funding from the ultra-right-wing Christians (such as Pat Robertson). The speakers at Saturday's rally were not identified by name because of many of their radical views in previous speeches. That said, I bet some good could come out of this. But I wonder who these "Promise Keepers" are who can't respect and honor members of their family without going to these giant prayer meetings. What else can't they do? Will they regress if they can't travel to these meetings? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:07:33 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:41:02 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: weirdest hits In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:29 PM 10/3/97 -0400, Amit Chatterjie wrote: >> Truck driver has thrown cigar out window. >> >I laughed so hard at the irony when my wife came back from a short >vacation to LA saying that she was pulled over while driving her friends >car for throwing a cigarette butt out the window. The cop wanted to fine >her $300. I said well they are probably trying to keep the roads VERY >clean, when she said no, the cop said it's with respect to >motorcyclists. She asked if it was because he rode a motorcycle that he >was aware of the phenomena. He said no, it is actually an enforceable >law in LA. > >Imagine, and we're still trying to stop people from throwing their cars >at us. Good for the cop. I'll never understand why people insist on throwing burning trash out of the car. They take the last few drags off their cigarette to get it burning nice and hot, then toss it out the window. I've even seen people hold the cigarette above the car roof to make sure if flies as far as possible into traffic behind them. Ever wonder how those little fires (that sometimes become big fires) on roadsides start? From cigarette users. And it's bad for more than motorcyclists: it also affects convertible drivers, pedestrians, bicyclists, and joggers. I'm pretty much "live and let live", but when cigarette users throw their burning trash at me, and cover the ground with the remnants of their habit, I draw the line. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:07:35 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:46:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re:Dog gone funny In-Reply-To: <3435C689.DEEC02CE@13x.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "Officer, ... this ... is ... a ... hearing ... dog. I ... am ... deaf." :-) Chris Norloff >jay goddard wrote: > >> this was so on topic I could not resist. >> >> Retired dog trainer Jeremiah Gerbracht, who beat a traffic ticket for >> riding with his dog on his >> Harley-Davidson two years ago is gearing up to fight the same >> battle all over again. The Los Angeles >> man was ticketed again Wednesday night for riding his motorcycle >> with his Siberian husky, Lady >> Harley, sitting in front of him on his seat. >> >> Gerbracht was previously cited for riding with Lady Harley in the >> same position in 1995, apparently >> violating a portion of state vehicle code that states no one >> driving a motor vehicle "shall knowingly >> permit any person to ride on any vehicle or upon any portion >> thereof not designated or intended for >> the use of passengers." A judge ruled in Gerbracht's favor, saying >> a dog cannot be considered a >> person and "the mere fact of a dog on a motorcycle does not appear >> to be covered" in the vehicle >> code. >> >> Gerbracht said he also expects to beat this new ticket because even >> though this citation is for a >> different section of the vehicle code, his dog is still a dog and >> not a person. "The LAPD is still >> insisting that Lady Harley is a person," said Gerbracht on >> Thursday. Police cited Gerbracht this time >> for allowing a person to willingly interfere with the driver of a >> vehicle. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:35:08 1997 From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:34:00 -0400 (EDT) To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hitting things F*&$ing lighten up and a get a real pet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:36:29 1997 From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:35:22 -0400 (EDT) To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... What, you killed a bird? That was flying in its own habitat? God curse you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:48:13 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: FakeTree@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:49:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > What, you killed a bird? That was flying in its own habitat? > God curse you. > > Huh? You didnt include anything that would indicate what you're replying to, but Im gonna hazard a guess that you're referring to the bird that hit my windshield. Strange puppy, aintcha! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:54:35 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: FakeTree@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:56:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hitting things CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > F*&$ing lighten up and a get a real pet. > > Jeez boy. If you're gonna try and flame me, at least make it worth my while to read! You GOTTA be able to do better than that! How about including something that will let everyone at least have an inkling what the fuck you're talkin about. Im ASSUMING you're talkin about my snakes and chameleons and tarantulas and lovebird and dog, although Im not sure, cuz I thought they all WERE real pets. God, what a weenie. Squeakers- yellin "weenie alert!!" Hey, theres GOTTA be a few on EVERY list.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:55:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19111; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01054; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07823; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA21260; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006095248_1891096277@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another bug! Realizing that you can't carry on a conversation without my referring to the last thread, this one is re: magazines and models. Get over it, hag. Stop raining on everyone's parade. Keep your f*$&ing values to yourself. Last time I checked, this is about motorcycling, not your PC opinions. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:08:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19279; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01244; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08156; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28340; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061413.KAA28340@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: FakeTree@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:09:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: another bug! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Realizing that you can't carry on a conversation without my referring to the > last thread, this one is re: magazines and models. Get over it, hag. Stop > raining on everyone's parade. Keep your f*$&ing values to yourself. Last > time I checked, this is about motorcycling, not your PC opinions. > > :) You're so cute!! Um.. for in case you dont know how to do this ( I realize you're on AOL) I believe that all ya gotta do is copy and paste some of what you're replying to into your email. It really isnt difficult. Squeakers- PC hag extraordinaire!!!! God! Now Im PC!!! Ive never been called that before!!! :) :) :) :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:39:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19727; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01615; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09068; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD243.AE85D720@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: another bug! Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:36:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT In flaming another clueless AOLer, Squeakers said: >>> God! Now Im PC!!! Ive never been called that before!!! Squeakers, we love you to pieces, but honey, if YOU are PC, God help us all.... =:-o *wink* Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:59:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19937; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01854; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09826; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA29115 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:58:16 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma029033; Mon, 6 Oct 97 10:58:04 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA24470 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876149198; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:55:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9710068761.AA876149198@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:45:02 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: another bug! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you're so PC - I bet you drink organic coffee all day with all the other PC people in the PC coffee houses, reading PC papers, and haveing PC conversations.... damn, where's good ole Montana when you need a vacation? brian <--- stressed, someone loan me an assault rifle, I'll do live testing on how to protect yourself on a bike going down the interstate..... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Squeakers- PC hag extraordinaire!!!! God! Now Im PC!!! Ive never been called that before!!! :) :) :) :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:04:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20036; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01959; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10115; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:04:08 -0400 (EDT) From: FakeTree@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA08045 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006110104_1931839962@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:13:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20202; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02004; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10471; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA22225; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:12:09 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D090D24@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , FakeTree@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: another bug! Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:11:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Add me to your fan list, Squeakers. > -----Original Message----- > From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 6:10 AM > To: FakeTree@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: another bug! > > > > Realizing that you can't carry on a conversation without my > referring to the > > last thread, this one is re: magazines and models. Get over it, > hag. Stop > > raining on everyone's parade. Keep your f*$&ing values to yourself. > Last > > time I checked, this is about motorcycling, not your PC opinions. > > > > > > :) You're so cute!! > > Um.. for in case you dont know how to do this ( I realize > you're on AOL) I believe that all ya gotta do is copy and > paste some of what you're replying to into your email. It > really isnt difficult. > > Squeakers- PC hag extraordinaire!!!! > > God! Now Im PC!!! Ive never been called that before!!! > :) :) :) :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:29:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20488; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02263; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11093; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15401 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061529.LAA15401@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:31:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re[2]: another bug! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > brian <--- stressed, someone loan me an assault rifle, I'll do live > testing on how to protect yourself on a bike going down the > interstate..... > But Brian. Aint yer bike broke? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:00:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21261; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02650; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12697; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD24E.FA10AC50@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:57:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:57:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT Why do people persist in unsubscribing the wrong way? Why is this so difficult? Horkster ---------- From: FakeTree@XXXXXX[SMTP:FakeTree@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 11:03 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:01:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21278; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02685; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12735; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA07742 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:00:28 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma007693; Mon, 6 Oct 97 12:00:06 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA26091 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876153465; Mon, 06 Oct 97 11:57:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9710068761.AA876153465@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 11:56:25 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[4]: another bug, or is it a bullet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll push it while shooting at the PO'ed cagers... give them more of a chance... Course, someone could just load me a bike and my stress would subside as well.... funny how rolling down a country road, wind pushing on you, looking at the trees(yes, I do wath the scenery most the time, just not when the corners are a bit more demanding), and flowing with the road can do for your stress levels.... brian - jones'n ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > brian <--- stressed, someone loan me an assault rifle, I'll do live > testing on how to protect yourself on a bike going down the > interstate..... > But Brian. Aint yer bike broke? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:13:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21497; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02920; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13331; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01754; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061618.MAA01754@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Brian McCoy" Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:15:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[4]: another bug, or is it a bullet Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Course, someone could just load me a bike and my stress would subside > as well.... funny how rolling down a country road, wind pushing on > you, looking at the trees(yes, I do wath the scenery most the time, > just not when the corners are a bit more demanding), and flowing with > the road can do for your stress levels.... > > Agreed. Whenever I get to the point I feel like screaming, I just hop on the bike and go. I usually head for the twisty back country roads. After a while of ridin on them, I can feel the tension seepin out and blowin away in the wind. Gone. When ya think about it, I dont understand why more people dont do it. I mean, as a "means of escape from troubles and woes", its much cheaper than most of the rest. For just a coupla bucks of gas, you can go on and on, whereas a decent drink'll cost ya 4-5 bucks EACH! Obviously, in the "tension release" game, ya gotta have a LOT more than one, right? PLUS ya get a hangover! I wont even TALK about the expense and trouble that drugs will give ya. Exercise is great, but gets ya tired. (lazy me!) Nope, I aint found anything else that can ever replace riding as a tension and depression buster. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:18:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21551; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03008; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13550; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25139 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061618.MAA25139@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:20:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: unsubscribe Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Why do people persist in unsubscribing the wrong way? > Why is this so difficult? > aol'er.. nuff said. (yeah yeah yeah.. I got an AOL account too, but I got it for the kids, so hesh up!!) 'Course, you realize that he's havin a temper tantrum. I guess he was supposed to be able to flame me, but I wasnt supposed to respond. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:22:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21593; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03043; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13631; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21250; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA21847 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:21:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199710061621.AA21847@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:21:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:21:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:21:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:56:32 -0400 Subject: Re: another bug! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199710061302.JAA06668@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ..I went to counseling to get in touch with my "inner" pig...... ;-) -aki > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > > > Gee all those busty babes who pose with their bikes in all the biker > > mags and calendars must have a devil of a time maintaining control on > > the street! I imagine all those cups, faux-bondage straps, shear > > lingerie and lacy see-through things collect all kinds of bugs and > > debris. It must be *very* distracting! > > > > (I can tell you, some of them make *me* loose control :-) > > > > - Hacker > > > > > Yeah yeah yeah.... like they actually ride. uhuh..sure... > I can see it now. Busty (FAKE!!) bimbo sittin on the BACK > of the bike of some biker that's givin her a ride hopin to > GET a ride. She's giggling "giddy yup" and yelling "yippee". > Her overly painted mouth open wide with delight. A bug > flies in her mouth. She chokes on it, falls off the bike > and gets a major case of road rash. Ah, the beauty > of it all!! > Why do they have ta use them damn non ridin models for > those pics? hell, I would MUCH prefer to see pics of REAL > bikers on bikes than "pretty boy" models (gag), so why dont MEN > feel that way too? Ill tell ya why! Cuz men are pigs. > Thats why. Its all that damn testosterone. Oh, well. Gotta > luv em anyhows, I guess. They'd be boring if they were any > different, and then what would us wimmins have ta talk > about!!!! :) > > Squeakers- luvin em thats full of that testosterone > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:23:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21616; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03053; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13662; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pnt041729 ([164.117.178.76] (may be forged)) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21118 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:22:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971006092254.0090d320@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ranone@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:22:54 -0700 To: From: Nick Ranone Subject: RE: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I subscribed, i sent a subscribe message to the list and I was added. I assume this was not the proper way, but it worked. I would assume the inverse should work also. Nick At 11:57 AM 10/6/97 -0400, dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >Why do people persist in unsubscribing the wrong way? >Why is this so difficult? > >Horkster >---------- >From: FakeTree@XXXXXX[SMTP:FakeTree@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 11:03 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: unsubscribe > >unsubscribe > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:30:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22086; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03196; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14475; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA24874 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA08782 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA12135 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: AMA investigates Fontana Incident X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971006162928.AAA12135@localHost> Concerning the Stiff Handed police tactics occuring the weekend of Sept 19th....If you attended the Ralley or TN-Star, or just got caught up in this shit, let the AMA know. If you were simply stopped for a license check (at check point), scrap it. Everybody was. ______________________________________ >From the AMA: Dear Mike and Rebecca, The AMA has been vigorously pursuing reports of excessive police action during the BMWRA rally at Fontana Resort; (see the press release on our web page ) American Motorcyclist will run a feature story on the incident in the December issue (released first week of Novemeber.) There are some parallels between a previous incident in Spartansburg, SC and this incident in North Carolina. We are continuing to gather information and would appreciate any first hand information you can send our way. For a further, in-depth report, contact Chris Kallfelz or Sean Maher at (614) 891-2425. Robert Rasor, Vice President Government Relations From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:44:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22317; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03396; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15037; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA02442; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA26124; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:43:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB14537; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:43:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: FakeTree@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971006164255.AAB14537@localHost> Dale wrote: >In flaming another clueless AOLer, Squeakers said: > >>>> God! Now Im PC!!! Ive never been called that before!!! > >Squeakers, we love you to pieces, but honey, if YOU are PC, >God help us all.... =:-o *wink* and then "FakeTree" sends: >From: FakeTree@XXXXXX >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:03:37 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <971006110104_1931839962@XXXXXX> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: unsubscribe > >unsubscribe My comments: clueless...aYup, aYup, aYup todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:45:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22335; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03441; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15077; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23397 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061644.MAA23397@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:22:54 PDT." <3.0.2.32.19971006092254.0090d320@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:44:54 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >When I subscribed, i sent a subscribe message to the list and I was added. >I assume this was not the proper way, but it worked. I would assume the >inverse should work also. If you send a subscribe or unsubscribe message to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' then about 150 people get your message, at least one or two of them berate you for it, the list admin sees your message and sends you private email telling you the right way to subscribe or unsubscribe, but he does not act on your request until you do it the right way. If you send a subscribe or unsubscribe message to 'dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX', then only the list admin sees it, and he usually acts on the request a little later the same day. It has worked this way for at least 4 or 5 years, so if anyone actually succeeded in getting on the list by sending to the list, then the list admin (who would vehemently deny that such a thing is possible) must have been drinking on the job that day. -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:00:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22488; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03691; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15562; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13394; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061705.NAA13394@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Nick Ranone Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:02:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: unsubscribe Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > When I subscribed, i sent a subscribe message to the list and I was added. > I assume this was not the proper way, but it worked. I would assume the > inverse should work also. > Nick > Someone was very nice to you! :) Actually, there's a DC cycles web page that gives instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing, plus it has older list posts in it. http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:10:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22695; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03803; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15900; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA07900 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:09:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA30757 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA27432 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:59:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Hitting Animals X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971006155935.AAA27432@localHost> Thought this was relavent to some recent threads. It's a joke gleened from the HSTA list. A man was driving along the highway, and saw a rabbit hopping across the middle of the road. He swerved to avoid hitting the rabbit, but unfortunately the rabbit jumped in front of the car and was hit. The driver, being a sensitive man as well as an animal lover, pulled over to the side of the road and got out to see what had become of the rabbit. Much to his dismay, the rabbit was dead. The driver felt so awful he began to cry. A woman driving down the highway saw the man crying on the side of the road and pulled over. She stepped out of her car and asked the man what was wrong. "I feel terrible," he explained. "I accidentally hit this rabbit and killed it." The woman told the man not to worry. She knew what to do. She went to her car trunk and pulled out a spray can. She walked over to the limp, dead rabbit, and sprayed the contents of the can onto the rabbit. Miraculously, the rabbit came to life, jumped up, waved its paw at the two humans and hopped down the road. 50 meters away the rabbit stopped, turned around, waved at the two again, hopped down the road another 50 meters, turned, waved, and hopped another 50 meters. The man was astonished. He couldn't figure out what substance could be in the woman's spray can! He ran over to the woman and demanded, "What was in your spray can? What did you spray onto that rabbit?" The woman turned the can around so that the man could read the label. It said: "Hare Spray' Restores Life to Dead Hare. Adds Permanent Wave." Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:34:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23086; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04109; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16726; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.mnsinc.com (user1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.23]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29072 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (2xracers@localhost) by user1.mnsinc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA03800; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Nighthawk 750? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A lurker comes out of the woodwork to ask a few questions! I've been riding for about 2 years now, and currently have an XT350 dual-sport. While it is definitely a fun bike to ride, it is downright punishing on 100 mile rides. My riding is probably 95% on pavement, so I'm considering switching to a street-only bike so I can enjoy longer rides, participate in group rides, etc. After doing a bunch of reading on the 'net this weekend, it seems that the Nighthawk 750 might be a good, economical choice for me. Any comments pro/con on the Nighthawk? I'm leaning towards buying used, 91 and newer. A local dealer has a '93 Nighthawk for sale, on consignment. It has 8K miles, just was serviced (oil/lube/etc. $200 cost at the dealer), and has two new tires on it. The asking price is $3899.00. I assume that since this is "on consignment" there won't be any warranty offered -- do dealers usually offer some sort of warranty on used bikes? I'm probably going to take a look at the bike this evening -- any advice? Does anyone have access to a used bike guide who might be able to look up the value for me? Thanks in advance for any info/advice/etc! Anita Lauro PS - I'll be selling the XT350 if I go with the Nighthawk, in case anyone is interested (or knows someone looking for a low miles dual-sport). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:34:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23091; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04115; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16729; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD25C.31C17F00@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Re[4]: another bug, or is it a bullet Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:31:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 57 TEXT Brian, I'd loan you my little 400, but it's not running right. The carburation is messed up, the thing bogs down at about 6000 rpm. Oh, that, and the head bearings are shot. Makes turning quite an adventure. Gotta get that thing fixed up. It's a nice spare bike to have around when it runs right. Horkster `The Horkster', aka Dale Horstman dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 12:56 PM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[4]: another bug, or is it a bullet I'll push it while shooting at the PO'ed cagers... give them more of a chance... Course, someone could just load me a bike and my stress would subside as well.... funny how rolling down a country road, wind pushing on you, looking at the trees(yes, I do wath the scenery most the time, just not when the corners are a bit more demanding), and flowing with the road can do for your stress levels.... brian - jones'n ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > brian <--- stressed, someone loan me an assault rifle, I'll do live > testing on how to protect yourself on a bike going down the > interstate..... > But Brian. Aint yer bike broke? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:39:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23143; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04207; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16870; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD25C.E4138540@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:36:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:36:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT Have another one on me, Harry! :-) (just kiddin') Horkster (one of the Self-Designated Berators) ---------- From: Harry Mantakos[SMTP:harry@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 12:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe <> It has worked this way for at least 4 or 5 years, so if anyone actually succeeded in getting on the list by sending to the list, then the list admin (who would vehemently deny that such a thing is possible) must have been drinking on the job that day. -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:47:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23251; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04361; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17132; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23065; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA15465; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:47:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA16930; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061745.NAA16930@clark.net> To: hacker@XXXXXX, squeakers@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another bug! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Squeakers" To: Dark Hacker Subject: Re: another bug! Yeah yeah yeah.... like they actually ride. uhuh..sure... I can see it now. Busty (FAKE!!) bimbo sittin on the BACK They're FAKE?? You're kidding? Why do they have ta use them damn non ridin models for those pics? hell, I would MUCH prefer to see pics of REAL bikers on bikes than "pretty boy" models (gag), so why dont MEN feel that way too? Ill tell ya why! Cuz men are pigs. Got news for ya Squeaks... I'm a guy and I do get annoyed when I see some totally incongruous picture of a bikini bimbo straddling a Harley as if she was going out for an afternoon spin... but then the testosterone kicks in and I can't remember what I was annoyed about. Ya see... men need a little help differentiating between all the different bike manufacturers, models and model years, so they throw in the bikini babes as quick identifiers... Biker 1 - "Hey man did you see the cool Harley in last week's biker mag?" Biker 2 - "Which one?" Biker 1 - "Uhhh... striped bikini, blonde, big..." Biker 2 - "Oh yeah man, great bike! Bitch'n filter covers!" - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:48:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23272; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04384; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17152; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000027.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.39]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08469; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:47:51 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9710061348.AA58306@204.91.98.131> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:48:58 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nighthawk 750? Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline That price seems high for that bike, from what I've seen. I was going to sell my bike (95 Nighthawk 750, bought brand new 5 mos ago, with 800 miles on it) for $4000-$4500 and I got flamed multiple times because the price was out of line. (But it doesn't really matter - I've since come to my senses and am keeping it! ;-) ) They'll last forever if taken care of, but you should be able to at least get it for $3500, but it's really dependant on how anxious the seller is) None the less, it's a great bike! Matt 95 Nighthawk > > A local dealer has a '93 Nighthawk for sale, on consignment. It > has 8K miles, just was serviced (oil/lube/etc. $200 cost at the > dealer), and has two new tires on it. The asking price is $3899.00. > I assume that since this is "on consignment" there won't be any > warranty offered -- do dealers usually offer some sort of warranty on > used bikes? I'm probably going to take a look at the bike this > evening -- any advice? Does anyone have access to a used bike guide > who might be able to look up the value for me? > > Thanks in advance for any info/advice/etc! > > Anita Lauro From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:57:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23404; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04528; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17438; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17383; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07214; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199710061757.NAA07214@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:59:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: another bug! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > I can see it now. Busty (FAKE!!) bimbo sittin on the BACK > > They're FAKE?? You're kidding? They GOTTA be! Surely nature wouldnt be so cruel as to make em in THAT size but only give me MY size. GOTTA be fake!!!!!! > Ya see... men need a little help differentiating between all the different > bike manufacturers, models and model years, so they throw in the bikini > babes as quick identifiers... > Biker 1 - "Hey man did you see the cool Harley in last week's > biker mag?" > Biker 2 - "Which one?" > Biker 1 - "Uhhh... striped bikini, blonde, big..." > Biker 2 - "Oh yeah man, great bike! Bitch'n filter covers!" Ohhhh, ok. Now I get it. actually, it makes perfect sense now. I always said that men lose the brain cells in their big heads, so they gotta think with their little heads, right? well...this is PROOF!!!!! In order to be able to remember sumthin, it has to have "little head" approval!! Thanks Hacker!! :) :) Squeakers- with more proof!!! and from a MAN!!!! ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:57:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23410; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04533; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17452; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA19212; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22174; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061755.NAA22174@clark.net> To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:35:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Christians (such as Pat Robertson). The speakers at Saturday's rally were not identified by name because of many of their radical views in previous speeches. That said, I bet some good could come out of this. But I wonder who these "Promise Keepers" are who can't respect and honor members of their family without going to these giant prayer meetings. What else can't they do? Will they regress if they can't travel to these meetings? Perhaps they *don't* need those prayer meetings to keep their vows. Perhaps the overall goal of the Promise Keepers is really a facade to hide their true agenda which is promoting fundementalist christian values (read submission of women) in a way that is palatable to today's public. Pat Robertson and his ilk recognize that they have an image problem and even a youthful, charasmatic leader like Ralph Reed won't be able to hoodwink the public as they used to, so... enter the Promise Keepers, a group of sensitive guys with no obvious right-wing agenda. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:03:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23476; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04650; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17687; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:03:06 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA26063 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:02:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199710061802.AA26063@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:02:54 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:02:54 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:02:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:54:24 -0400 Subject: Hitting Animals To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971006155935.AAA27432@localHost> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME oh GREAT Todd!...now I have diet pepsi running out my nose and all over the front of my shirt! ;-) cheers, -aki > Thought this was relavent to some recent threads. It's a joke gleened > from the HSTA list. > > A man was driving along the highway, and saw a rabbit hopping across the > middle of the road. He swerved to avoid hitting the rabbit, but > unfortunately > the rabbit jumped in front of the car and was hit. The driver, being a > sensitive man as well as an animal lover, pulled over to the side of the > road > and got out to see what had become of the rabbit. > > Much to his dismay, the rabbit was dead. The driver felt so awful he > began to cry. A woman driving down the highway saw the man crying on > the side of the road and pulled over. She stepped out of her car and asked > the man what was wrong. > > "I feel terrible," he explained. "I accidentally hit this rabbit and > killed it." > The woman told the man not to worry. She knew what to do. She went to > her car trunk and pulled out a spray can. She walked over to the limp, > dead rabbit, and sprayed the contents of the can onto the rabbit. > > Miraculously, the rabbit came to life, jumped up, waved its paw at the two > humans and hopped down the road. 50 meters away the rabbit stopped, > turned around, waved at the two again, hopped down the road another 50 > meters, turned, waved, and hopped another 50 meters. The man was > astonished. He couldn't figure out what substance could be in the woman's > spray can! He ran over to the woman and demanded, "What was in your > spray can? What did you spray onto that rabbit?" The woman turned the > can around so that the man could read the label. > > It said: > > "Hare Spray' Restores Life to Dead Hare. Adds Permanent Wave." > > Todd > +-----------------------------+---------------+ > | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | > | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | > | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | > +-----------------------------+---------------+ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:26:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24145; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05572; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19020; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03669; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:25:13 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCD263.D8060640@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:26:32 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCD263.D8060640@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Nighthawk 750? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:26:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anita, Any chance you'd be interested in a 1982 Honda CM450A HondaMatic. = According to those that consider any Japanese bike 'vintage', this one = is, or will be in the very near future. Good solid performance, fair to = good cosmetics. I myself prefer brit-iron, but got a better deal on = both the T140V and the CM450A if I took them both. TIA rwj -----Original Message----- From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX [SMTP:elliottm@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 1:49 PM To: Anita Lauro Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nighthawk 750? That price seems high for that bike, from what I've seen. I was going = to=20 sell my bike (95 Nighthawk 750, bought brand new 5 mos ago, with 800 = miles on=20 it) for $4000-$4500 and I got flamed multiple times because the price = was out=20 of line. (But it doesn't really matter - I've since come to my senses = and am=20 keeping it! ;-) ) They'll last forever if taken care of, but you should be able to at = least get=20 it for $3500, but it's really dependant on how anxious the seller is) None the less, it's a great bike! Matt 95 Nighthawk > =20 > A local dealer has a '93 Nighthawk for sale, on consignment. It=20 > has 8K miles, just was serviced (oil/lube/etc. $200 cost at the=20 > dealer), and has two new tires on it. The asking price is $3899.00. =20 > I assume that since this is "on consignment" there won't be any=20 > warranty offered -- do dealers usually offer some sort of warranty on=20 > used bikes? I'm probably going to take a look at the bike this=20 > evening -- any advice? Does anyone have access to a used bike guide=20 > who might be able to look up the value for me?=20 > =20 > Thanks in advance for any info/advice/etc!=20 > =20 > Anita Lauro=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:32:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24308; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05747; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19313; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA29095; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:25:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: FakeTree@XXXXXX cc: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wierdest thing to hit you while riding...... In-Reply-To: <971006093502_124610768@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 FakeTree@XXXXXX wrote: > What, you killed a bird? That was flying in its own habitat? God curse you. > I hit one, too. But it was only a FakeBird. Anyhow, don't get into a battle of wits with Squeakers if you're unarmed. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:39:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24621; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05854; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19914; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16357; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 4392d990; Mon, 6 Oct 97 14:27:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:38:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4392d990@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: another bug! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: another bug! From: Dark Hacker at ddn Date: 6/10/1997 1:45 PM From: "Squeakers" To: Dark Hacker Subject: Re: another bug! Yeah yeah yeah.... like they actually ride. uhuh..sure... I can see it now. Busty (FAKE!!) bimbo sittin on the BACK They're FAKE?? You're kidding? Why do they have ta use them damn non ridin models for those pics? hell, I would MUCH prefer to see pics of REAL bikers on bikes than "pretty boy" models (gag), so why dont MEN feel that way too? Ill tell ya why! Cuz men are pigs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nah, just some men are pigs, and some women are pigs. Specifically scantily clad humans on a bike are unreal to me-I mean shorts and a T-shirt are simply dumb-but a thong bikini? There is an ER Dr who works in Daytona- yep and they had a woman come in who had slid down the road sans buttock protection, (although her sphincter probably was covered by the thong.) It is her "right" to dress in that manner. It just not smart considering the consequences. She had what is known as 4th degree burns in some circles (where you lose bone too). It wasn't a pretty image. Mind you she had on a set of chaps so her legs were fine. She will be quite unusual looking (skin wise) forever. So whenever I see someone riding clad for the beach or "posing" I just wince. Falling simply hurts, and less (clothing) IS more (pain). I did see some BMW ads with a women astride an F650ST. She was in full leathers, albeit her hair was under her helmet and all over her shoulders. Having long hair and riding means some serious knots. Dave David Choat, Visionary '95 Suzuki RF900R Email: dchoat@XXXXXX '98 BMW K1200RS (Kinderkrankheiten) "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." PJ O'Rourke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:42:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24664; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05988; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20062; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:42:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Hitting Animals Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:42:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > ---------- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 1:54 PM > To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Hitting Animals > > > oh GREAT Todd!...now I have diet pepsi running out my nose and all > over > the front of my shirt! ;-) > > You're right. It was his fault. I think we should use a disclaimer to the effect of: WARNING! Contents of DC Cycles list may invoke extreme mental and physical reactions leading to uncontrolled muscular spasms. Do not eat, drink, put objects such as pens in open orifices, or think (redundant?) while reading mail. Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:54:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24837; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06558; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20568; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA12622; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006145235_470839323@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: men/hooters Just remember squeakers, without a rutting season, if women didn't look so much different from men like a lot of species, there wouldn't be so many people. Is that a bad thing? uhhhhhhhhhh Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:58:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24907; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06767; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20709; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03699; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:58:03 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCD268.6D3A4BA0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:59:21 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCD268.6D3A4BA0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "'Dark Hacker'" , "cnorloff@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "hacker@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:59:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm intrigued by the reaction of the liberal community to the "Promise Keepers". Let me get the obvious out of the way first: What is the difference between Lois Farrikan's Million Man March and the Promise Keepers Rally? Where was the out cry of NOW et.al. then? But wait a traditional Christian movement must be bad-evil. It's really about reasserting all those terrible DWM concepts and attitudes. The Promise Keepers recognize that in a world filled with vice, temptation and rationalization like at no time prior, the coming together of men of good character of similar values enables each of them to help strengthen the resolve of each other to maintain those values and to fulfill them. As to the misquoted verse from the Bible, The verse before that instructs men to love, honor and respect their wives, and the one before that for both spouses the subject themselves to each other and to God. The traditional Christian marriage is based on mutual respect, commitment to the institution and to love. Try to keep in mind that the early Christian church was the first of the western big three to not segregate women from the temple. -----Original Message----- From: Dark Hacker [SMTP:hacker@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 1:55 PM To: cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; hacker@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:35:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Christians (such as Pat Robertson). The speakers at Saturday's rally were not identified by name because of many of their radical views in previous speeches. That said, I bet some good could come out of this. But I wonder who these "Promise Keepers" are who can't respect and honor members of their family without going to these giant prayer meetings. What else can't they do? Will they regress if they can't travel to these meetings? Perhaps they *don't* need those prayer meetings to keep their vows. Perhaps the overall goal of the Promise Keepers is really a facade to hide their true agenda which is promoting fundementalist christian values (read submission of women) in a way that is palatable to today's public. Pat Robertson and his ilk recognize that they have an image problem and even a youthful, charasmatic leader like Ralph Reed won't be able to hoodwink the public as they used to, so... enter the Promise Keepers, a group of sensitive guys with no obvious right-wing agenda. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 15:16:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25196; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07305; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21265; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09802; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710061915.PAA09802@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:17:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: men/hooters Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Just remember squeakers, without a rutting season, if women didn't look so > much different from men like a lot of species, there wouldn't be so many > people. > > Is that a bad thing? uhhhhhhhhhh > Richard > > Aw... you're new, I know. I think its gettin to the point where ALMOST everyone finally realizes what my "sense of humor" is like. Sortakinda. As much as I like to tease and joke about "testosterone laden brainless struttin men", I think its pretty much understood that thats the kinda men I LIKE. I think you SHOULD be able to EASILY tell the difference between men and wimmins. (helps us look superior!) Ive been told that there's only a certain kinda man that I could ever be with. ( a number of people have said this, btw) He HAS to be patient and tolerant and VERY confident in his own "manhood", AND he has to be obnoxious, stubborn and just plain irritating. The reasoning behind this is that Im difficult to get along with, and I tease without mercy, yet Id get bored quickly and discard anyone not "challenging". While I personally think thats a huge exaggeration, there are those that think it fits perfectly. Go figure. Oh, well. Point is.. I LIKE the "rutting" season. Men get all sweaty and puffed up and look and smell quite exhiliarating, doncha think? Gets MY blood going. :) Squeakers SPECIALLY if they're onna bike!!!!!!! yummy! but we wont tell my ol'man Im sayin I look and drool, right? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 15:17:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25218; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07313; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21290; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07933; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17863 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA16207 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:16:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:16:34 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles Subject: Promise Keepers BS - Take it to alt.religion or wherever... In-Reply-To: <01BCD268.6D3A4BA0@johnston.citi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 15:31:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25719; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08369; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22167; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA13999; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006152622_-160832730@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re. bug in bra I wonder if the bug would have done it if he knew he would die. Squeakers, you must something else. Even wildlife is attracted to you. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 15:59:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26291; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08733; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23317; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Yeouch! Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:58:20 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Whoever is the individual (if they're on this list) who rides an HD (sorry I only heard it I didn't see it) and parks in Skyline 5 Level G3 and left at 3:30pm then you know who you are. You set off four car alarms, and nearly smacked me against a wall with the noise while I was going to my bike. The surrounding (unhappy) people watched me approach my bike and were muttering "they should do something about these bikes". Please, either ease up on the throttle in doors or park closer to an exit. This does not make it any easier on us. Thanks, Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 15:59:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26296; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08744; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23401; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16497; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD270.F513B1D0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:00:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'jimi@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Promise Keepers BS - Take it to alt.religion or wherever... Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:00:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT AMEN brother... If I want reglious crap I'll go to church! I could care less if they were there for peace, god, or to kill each other! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX >---------- >From: jimi@XXXXXX[SMTP:jimi@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 3:16 PM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Promise Keepers BS - Take it to alt.religion or wherever... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 16:06:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26450; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08852; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23698; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:06:21 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256528.006F0C7F ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:12:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256528.006EDA14.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:12:51 -0400 Subject: bug in bra Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I wonder if the bug would have done it if he knew he would die. Squeakers, you must something else. Even wildlife is attracted to you. Well at least that bug probably died happy. 8-) Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 16:20:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26686; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09061; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24358; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20723; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA12187; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA21001; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:19:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA12247; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:16:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: another bug! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971006201618.AAA12247@localHost> There is an ER Dr who works in Daytona- yep and they had a woman come in who had slid down the road sans buttock protection, (although her sphincter probably was covered by the thong.) It is her "right" to dress in that manner. It just not smart considering the consequences. She had what is known as 4th degree burns in some circles (where you lose bone too). It wasn't a pretty image. Mind you she had on a set of chaps so her legs were fine. She will be quite unusual looking (skin wise) forever. AwwwWWW GOD! Wince/(cringe), OUCH. The imagry was just too much. yikes!!! Scraping to the bone....yech! :~P Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 16:34:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27042; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09200; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24920; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA14324; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:32:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA02311; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA5178; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:31:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Robert Johnston CC: "'Dark Hacker'" , "cnorloff@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "hacker@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971006203114.AAA5178@localHost> I'm intrigued by the reaction of the liberal community to the "Promise Keepers". Let me get the obvious out of the way first: What is the difference between Lois Farrikan's Million Man March and the Promise Keepers Rally? First off, If you're going to address dc-cycles as a liberal community keep me out. Had you said libertarian....ok, then I'll stay. Second, there is no difference. Both groups are working hidden agendas using the (group) mentality as a pose. Don't argue with me. I'm right (duck and cover). ;^) Anyway, I make it rule to leave town whenever some large group of Million Man Freedom Keepers gets together. Pray for my soul. Who else had fun at the races this weekend!!! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 17:08:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27569; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09521; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25933; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA12787; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710062107.RAA12787@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Todd B Peer" Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:10:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Who else had fun at the races this weekend!!! > > Todd Not me. :( I was stuck at home all Saturday, cuz the ol'man and his bow and his huntin buds were all out stalkin defenseless little bambi's. heh SUNDAY, however was beautiful out, so he took me out ridin to enjoy the sunshine before winter hits and it gets dark and dreary and cold and miserable. When we were on a twisty pretty back road, a stupid jerk decided that I wasnt goin fast enough for him, so he got right on my ass. I did what I always do. I slowed way down. He backed off. For about a minute. Then he was right back on me. So.. I slowed down again. I mean.. if Im gonna get hit, Id rather be hit goin slow than doin 50. He decided to be a smartass, and passed me, barely missing me. His ol'lady was cowering in the passenger side of the pickup. I saw her cowering and holdin her arms up over her like she expected to get shot or somethin. Thats when he noticed my pissed off hubby.(he has a helluva temper) The pickup saw him, and tried to pass him real quick, but my Grizz gunned it and got back in front of him. (smart eh? A bike fightin a car) He was flippin him off and screamin at the asshole to stop and talk it over face to face, but the guy in the truck wouldnt. My ol'man stopped and was still screamin for him to get out but the guy just quickly took off.(went around him onna HILL!) By then Id caught up and was able to get my ol'man to STAY with ME. Then we stopped to get a drink so I could ask him what a bike could do to a car. (yes, I bitched at him!) What a temper. But I cant tell you how glad I am that guy didnt stop and get out. My ol'man was THAT mad. What fun, huh? WHY do they HAVE to get on your tail like that!?!?!?!?!!? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 18:07:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28377; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10760; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00391; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:06:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:06:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > ---------- > From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Reply To: squeakers@XXXXXX > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 1:10 PM > To: Todd B Peer > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? > > > WHY do they HAVE to get on your > tail like that!?!?!?!?!!? > > Squeakers > Boy, Squeakers, bugs in your bra and bumpers on your b.. (I mean tail). I just love threatening those individuals in cages when I'm on my bike. Sorry, I got to agree with your husband on that one. It's making a statement. I'd do the same. Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 18:37:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28660; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11151; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01427; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id SAA29850; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:31:42 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D090D37@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , Todd B Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:30:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain The worst is when they pull that stupid shit, you tell them where to go in no uncertain terms when they pull up next to you, then they say, "Ah, babe, I was nowhere near you, sweetheart" with the smarmy sexist grin smeared across their face. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 1:10 PM > To: Todd B Peer > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? > > > > Who else had fun at the races this weekend!!! > > > > Todd > > > Not me. :( I was stuck at home all Saturday, cuz the > ol'man and his bow and his huntin buds were all out stalkin > defenseless little bambi's. heh > SUNDAY, however was beautiful out, so he took me out > ridin to enjoy the sunshine before winter hits and it gets > dark and dreary and cold and miserable. When we were on a > twisty pretty back road, a stupid jerk decided that I wasnt > goin fast enough for him, so he got right on my ass. I did > what I always do. I slowed way down. He backed off. For > about a minute. Then he was right back on me. So.. I slowed > down again. I mean.. if Im gonna get hit, Id rather be hit > goin slow than doin 50. He decided to be a smartass, and passed > me, barely missing me. His ol'lady was cowering in the > passenger side of the pickup. I saw her cowering and holdin > her arms up over her like she expected to get shot or > somethin. Thats when he noticed my pissed off hubby.(he has a helluva > temper) The pickup saw him, and tried to pass him real > quick, but my Grizz gunned it and got back in front of him. > (smart eh? A bike fightin a car) He was flippin him off and > screamin at the asshole to stop and talk it over face to > face, but the guy in the truck wouldnt. My ol'man stopped > and was still screamin for him to get out but the guy just quickly > took off.(went around him onna HILL!) By then Id > caught up and was able to get my > ol'man to STAY with ME. Then we stopped to get a drink so I > could ask him what a bike could do to a car. (yes, I > bitched at him!) What a temper. But I cant tell you how > glad I am that guy didnt stop and get out. My ol'man was > THAT mad. What fun, huh? WHY do they HAVE to get on your > tail like that!?!?!?!?!!? > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 19:04:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28865; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12202; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01998; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id TAA05231; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:03:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D090D39@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Advice on New (Used) Bike Purchase Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:02:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > I have a female friend who's been riding a 250 for over a year now and > wants to buy a used 600 of some sort. She's like me & doesn't know > a whole hell of a lot about bikes but loves to ride. She's 5'3" and > 130 pounds, so she's a little concerned about her height & weight > (small/light) with regards to riding a larger bike, but said she'd be > willing to lower a bike to fit. She also wants a black bike. Plain > black, no other colors. Can anyone recommend something? Her current > bike is sporty, so I think she'd like a sport bike rather than > anything along the cruiser vein. Thanks for the help... > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 19:08:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28929; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12922; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02122; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23861; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710062308.TAA23861@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:11:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > The worst is when they pull that stupid shit, you tell them where to go > in no uncertain terms when they pull up next to you, then they say, "Ah, > babe, I was nowhere near you, sweetheart" with the smarmy sexist grin > smeared across their face. > > - Jeannette > Doncha just LOVE bein called sweetheart, babe or baby? Oh, and lets not forget honey. And how about the ones that pull up next to you, leering and makin noises at you. I SWEAR that sometimes they actually think you're supposed to be impressed!!! Yeah, thats sure to make a gal want them, huh? heh Its gotten to the point that I laugh at them now. I cant help it. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 19:23:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29058; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14448; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02439; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (man-as10s05.erols.com [207.172.75.68]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22630 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710062323.QAA22630@geocities.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Eric Driskell" Organization: I'm unorganized! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:23:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Reply-to: bluemtn@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D090D37@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) On 6 Oct 97 at 18:30, O'Brien, Jeannette muttered: > The worst is when they pull that stupid shit, you tell them where to > go in no uncertain terms when they pull up next to you, then they > say, "Ah, babe, I was nowhere near you, sweetheart" with the smarmy > sexist grin smeared across their face. > > - Jeannette Now why can't *I* ever get away with doing something like that? :? I just know that if I tried a low little trick like that I'd end up groping for air... 'Course, I'm not stupid enough to try something like that either. But ya know. An oil can full of brake fluid does wonders to the frontal paint job of a tailgater. Just squeeze the handle and smile REEEEEAAAALLLLL big as they pass. Gee, you're bike must be leaking something. But I digress.... =========================== Eric Driskell http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/2276 1985 Honda V65 Magna (no name, VA) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 19:31:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29150; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14764; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout41.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02607; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:31:39 -0400 (EDT) From: DDWrider@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout41.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA09435 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006192845_455451965@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unscribe Please unsubscribe DDWRider@XXXXXX Thank You From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 19:46:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29303; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15844; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02913; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.67.78]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA23787; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:45:24 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:43:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971006234522.AAA23787@default> Some woman with NY tags on her car called me something on the beltway the other day, but I don't think it was "sweetheart"! I couldn't hear real well with my earplugs, tho. Maybe it was. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 20:10:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29581; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16130; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03468; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17105; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070010.UAA17105@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: klthomas@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:12:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Some woman with NY tags on her car called me something on the beltway the > other day, but I don't think it was "sweetheart"! I couldn't hear real > well with my earplugs, tho. Maybe it was. > hey! ya never know! it COULDA been. We all know you're a sweetie, so maybe she recognized it, too. Or maybe she was yellin at cha to come and take her away on your bike! its possible, ya know. Squeakers :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 20:42:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00093; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16348; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03975; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA14264 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id UAA18208 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.208.62]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAE25184 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:41:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: DC - Cycles Summit..Mark your Calendar X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007004100.AAE25184@localHost> DC-Cycles Summit 1997 or Let's get mellow Earlier in the heat of the summer of 97, some members of the DC-Cycles tended away from the subject matter of motorcycling. It got to the point where we were seeing the word 'unsubscribe' quite a lot. Well guess what?! It seems to be happening again! DC-Cycles Summit 1997 - let's get mellow: Date: Definitely October 18, 1997 There are now two worthy events following this date. The Annual PARR Poker run, and some Observed Trials held at the WhiteRose MC-Club (I think I'm goin' here) Time: 4pm - 8pm to meet and mingle 8pm - 1pm for more Where: My Place. Brian M. has the routing detail. If you need more, write back to me and I'll tell ya where to go ;^) Protocol: DC-Cycles Listers and their SO's. Since the main purpose of the gathering is a get to know you, children may become a distraction. Sorry. No children this time. Special: There was going to be a cordoned area for flaming at each other, but screw that...let's have fun! Provisions: Soda will be provided. For the hungry, we'll pass a hat for Pizza if need be. Some of you have already gratiously volunteered a dish. Excellent! For drop off stuff (like lasagna!...yeah) I'll let you know. We can either meet, or you can come by earlier, so's you don't have to carry on your bike. What to do: Same as before. Brian McCoy is keeping a list of those that will attend, and will forward my address to you directly. Please RSVP to Brian McCoy via email - (bmccoy@XXXXXX). Brian has set up an automated response to your rsvp, so make sure the subject of your mail is DC-Summit. I know there is some newbie material out there, and we want to meet you too. So come on! I also know there are people that intended to write to Brian and just forgot or have been putting it off. Do it now! I will publish the names of everyone coming soon. Let Brian know the following in your message: - will you bring a date (SO)? - type of soda you prefer, specify diet if you want it. - if you drink beer and can make a donation ($5). If enough people want beer we will get something tasty. Otherwise, it will be byob. - if you can bring a dish and what it is..... (cc: Linda Tanner [linda.tanner@XXXXXX]) Please make sure you RSVP to Brian and NOT the list. If you want to cc the list, great. It'll give everyone an idea of who's coming. I am encouraging everyone on the list to make it out and to "ride" so we can all check out your bike(s) and place faces with names. Not only that, it'll really frighten my neighbors :-) _However_, like it or not I won't tolerate drinking and riding. Period! If you have a few, plan to wait it out before you take off. Better still, plan to stay over, I have the room. Todd +---------------------------+---------------+ | ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +---------------------------+---------------+ Special note: Any message with the string 'DC-Summit' in the subject header will result in an automated message of directions to my house from Brian. Avoid using 'DC-Summit' in your subject except for rsvp, or you will get the same message From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 20:55:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00185; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16432; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04252; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA25424 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006205135_578176096@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? In a message dated 97-10-06 15:15:28 EDT, you write: > I'm intrigued by the reaction of the liberal community to the "Promise Keepers" That reaction has been pretty varied, so it's hard to tell what it is that intrigues you. > Let me get the obvious out of the way first: What is the difference between > Lois Farrikan's Million Man March and the Promise Keepers Rally? Um, one was about black solidarity, and the other wasn't? > Where was the out cry of NOW et.al. then? At the time a number of feminists and women's groups expressed their discomfort with the idea of a men-only event. > The Promise Keepers recognize that in a world filled with vice, temptation > and > rationalization like at no time prior, the coming together of men of good > character > of similar values enables each of them to help strengthen the resolve of > each other > to maintain those values and to fulfill them. I don't think that's the part that people are objecting to. I think it's the part about how everyone else is WRONG and the close ties to radical right-wing organizations that are trying to tear down the Constitutional separation of church and state that has some folks a wee bit uncomfortable. Hope that helps. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 20:56:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00197; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16436; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04267; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA04029 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006205130_-529111968@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe In a message dated 97-10-06 12:27:43 EDT, you write: > aol'er.. nuff said. Hey! I think it's just a case of personal stupidity, myself. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 21:02:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00268; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16488; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04356; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as6s06.erols.com [207.172.71.69]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19988; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070107.VAA19988@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: John20008@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:04:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: unsubscribe Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > aol'er.. nuff said. > > Hey! > > I think it's just a case of personal stupidity, myself. > > > I know. I was just bein rotten is all. :) Like I said..I have an AOL account, too. heh Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 21:42:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00685; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16818; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05075; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (earuiz@XXXXXX [128.8.10.148]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA27831 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (earuiz@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA05175 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:41:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: earuiz owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:41:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eduardo Alfredo Ruiz To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I tried unsubscribing at dc-cycles-requests@XXXXXX, but was told that the user was unknown. Can some one tell me what I did wrong? Thank You, Ed Ruiz From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 21:48:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00754; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16871; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05208; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as7s57.erols.com [207.172.153.120]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19833; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:47:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199710070147.VAA19833@smtp3.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: , Subject: Re: Unscribe Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:21:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: DDWrider@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Unscribe > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 7:31 PM > > Please unsubscribe DDWRider@XXXXXX > Thank You Some people just *don't* get it, do they...? -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 22:03:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00880; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17741; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05468; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s41.erols.com [207.172.110.41]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09659; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070209.WAA09659@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Amit Chatterjie Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:05:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FW: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Boy, Squeakers, bugs in your bra and bumpers on your b.. (I mean tail). > I just love threatening those individuals in cages when I'm on my bike. > Sorry, I got to agree with your husband on that one. It's making a > statement. I'd do the same. > > Amit > CBR1000 > Well, he didnt agree with me either. He said that they'd think twice before doin it again to someone else. I just think that with the wrong person in the cage, he'd a been run over. It was tense and *not* good, but I know that with the same circumstances, he'll do it again. He aint nearly as even tempered as I am. But a cage is awful big and heavy compared to a bike, and a dead mangled body dont do anyone any good. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 23:04:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01545; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18750; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06480; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as5s55.erols.com [207.172.152.246]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23293; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070303.XAA23293@smtp2.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: "Eduardo Alfredo Ruiz" , Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:31:36 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eduardo Alfredo Ruiz writes: > I tried unsubscribing at dc-cycles-requests@XXXXXX, > but was told that the user was unknown. Can some one > tell me what I did wrong? Now *here's* somebody with half a clue! :-) The address is . "request" is singular, not plural. Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 23:05:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01562; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18767; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06515; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (jteitel@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA11911; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Teitel To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Advice on New (Used) Bike Purchase In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D090D39@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:02:23 -0400 > From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: Advice on New (Used) Bike Purchase > > > I have a female friend who's been riding a 250 for over a year now and > > wants to buy a used 600 of some sort. She's like me & doesn't know > > a whole hell of a lot about bikes but loves to ride. She's 5'3" and > > 130 pounds, so she's a little concerned about her height & weight > > (small/light) with regards to riding a larger bike, but said she'd be > > willing to lower a bike to fit. She also wants a black bike. Plain > > black, no other colors. Can anyone recommend something? Her current > > bike is sporty, so I think she'd like a sport bike rather than > > anything along the cruiser vein. Thanks for the help... > > > > - Jeannette > There is a web page and mailing list for "short bikers" that has lots of great advice for those of us of smaller stature. I don't have the address handy, but if a search doesn't turn it up right quick, let me know and I'll dig it up. Jeff Teitel ============================================================================ Keep the Rubber Side Down jteitel@XXXXXX '92 Seca II DoD#1365 "Out of the ethernet, through the switch, down the fiber, across the router, past the firewall, over the T-1... nothing but 'Net." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 23:14:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01636; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18897; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geni34.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06644; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by geni34.arl.mil (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04973; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman X-Sender: morris@geni34 Reply-To: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I-495 Bridges Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've noticed recently that the "open bridge joints" in lane #3 on the NW MD beltway that had been closed by the repaving are beginning to open up again. I presume that with the onset of winter, it's only going to get worse. The are looking wider and deeper than were before they were fixed, anyone else notice this trend? (Isn't this a nice neutral, useful thread for a change?) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=- ...domesticated carbon based life forms are prohibited from wading in, swimming in or cooling any body parts off in fountains and pools. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 23:14:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01643; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18905; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06662; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA05172 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA20076 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.209.171]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA23332 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Subject: Re: Unscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007031403.AAA23332@localHost> Nope, but he was nice enough about it I gave him a break. Todd > From: DDWrider@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Unscribe > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 7:31 PM > > Please unsubscribe DDWRider@XXXXXX > Thank You Some people just *don't* get it, do they...? -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 23:14:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01648; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18910; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06665; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA05183 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA23258 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.209.171]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAC23332 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007031403.AAC23332@localHost> aYup, Ayup...:-) (this is a grin) From: John20008@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006205130_-529111968@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe In a message dated 97-10-06 12:27:43 EDT, you write: > aol'er.. nuff said. Hey! I think it's just a case of personal stupidity, myself. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 23:14:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01653; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18915; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06669; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA05197 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA07646 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.209.171]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAE23332 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unsubscribing X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007031403.AAE23332@localHost> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:41:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eduardo Alfredo Ruiz To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribing Message-ID: I tried unsubscribing at dc-cycles-requests@XXXXXX, but was told that the user was unknown. Can some one tell me what I did wrong? Thank You, Ed Ruiz Harry, the human? You're making all the barbs at wayward cyclists seem petty. Unsubscribe this man and have another on me. btw - Coming to DC-Cycles Summit? Say yes damn it! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 23:15:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01660; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18925; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06674; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA03775; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id XAA25882; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.209.171]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB23332; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "Squeakers" CC: John20008@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007031403.AAB23332@localHost> Lookin at the smtp here, you seem to have point of presence via Erols... hmmmm? Squeakers, your running around w/a target pasted to your butt...blam, blam, you ok? BLAM! (Scotch and homebrew, need I say more...well, I can't) Todd Message-Id: <199710070107.VAA19988@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: John20008@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: unsubscribe Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal > > aol'er.. nuff said. > > Hey! > > I think it's just a case of personal stupidity, myself. > > > I know. I was just bein rotten is all. :) Like I said..I have an AOL account, too. heh Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 01:53:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02946; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20551; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09751; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bones.erols.com (spg-as45s14.erols.com [207.172.41.77]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA06597; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070555.BAA06597@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "K.P. Bones Mahoney" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, squeakers@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:56:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: another bug! - squeakers fan club Reply-to: bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Squeakers your are about as PC as any Libertarian I've ever met!!!! as far as real wimmins I'll take a real one anyday, Flesh and blood with (a) head ( on her shoulders) anyday!!! oink!! oink!!! Bones From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 02:07:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03079; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20651; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09161; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA01599; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:13:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Mr. Bill" cc: DDWrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unscribe In-Reply-To: <199710070147.VAA19833@smtp3.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mr. Bill: nothing personal---your number just came up---but, really, what's the point? Yes, their requests to the list to unsubscribe are a nuisance, but so are the resulting flames. Flames won't get them off any faster. Perhaps the same energy in the form of a quick "how-to" would be more productive. --garcia On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Mr. Bill wrote: > > From: DDWrider@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Unscribe > > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 7:31 PM > > > > Please unsubscribe DDWRider@XXXXXX > > Thank You > > Some people just *don't* get it, do they...? > > -- > Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 > denizen@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 04:11:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03980; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21447; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA10728; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bones.erols.com (spg-as45s18.erols.com [207.172.41.81]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13557; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070817.EAA13557@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "K.P. Bones Mahoney" To: "Todd B Peer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:18:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: unsubscribe from AOL Reply-to: bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) > > Dale wrote: > >In flaming another clueless AOLer, Squeakers said: > > > >>>> God! Now Im PC!!! Ive never been called that before!!! > > > >Squeakers, we love you to pieces, but honey, if YOU are PC, > >God help us all.... =:-o *wink* > > and then "FakeTree" sends: > > >From: FakeTree@XXXXXX > >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:03:37 -0400 (EDT) > >Message-ID: <971006110104_1931839962@XXXXXX> > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: unsubscribe > >unsubscribe > My comments: clueless...aYup, aYup, aYup > todd no Clues no Cajones !!! bones From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 04:11:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03985; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21450; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA10732; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bones.erols.com (spg-as45s18.erols.com [207.172.41.81]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13592 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070817.EAA13592@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "K.P. Bones Mahoney" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:18:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Cage Vs. MC Reply-to: bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) > From: "Squeakers" > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > To: Amit Chatterjie > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:05:54 +0000 > Subject: Re: FW: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? > Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Priority: normal > > > Boy, Squeakers, bugs in your bra and bumpers on your b.. (I mean tail). > > I just love threatening those individuals in cages when I'm on my bike. > > Sorry, I got to agree with your husband on that one. It's making a > > statement. I'd do the same. > > > > Amit > > CBR1000 > > > > Well, he didnt agree with me either. He said that they'd > think twice before doin it again to someone else. I just > think that with the wrong person in the cage, he'd a been > run over. It was tense and *not* good, but I > know that with the same circumstances, he'll do it again. > He aint nearly as even tempered as I am. But a cage is > awful big and heavy compared to a bike, and a dead mangled > body dont do anyone any good.> > Squeakers I agree with you about 10 years ago a "SWEET" lady on hte bletway in MD jammed between 2 18 wheelers and came over into the far left lane (the one I happen to occupy) luckly there was a wide sholder onthe road. after I manually indicated my displeasure with her I pointed to my turn signal. as I was bent over my handlebars she swerved at me at first I thought that would be it but for the rest of the way to the Woodrow Wilson bridge she chased me. even when I pulled of of the hiway completely she just swerved at me If i had been on a slower bike I would have been a hood orniment. in all of the swerving around traffic at one point I was behind her and noticed the" SWEET ADALINES" license plate frame on her car. what was really bad was she also had another middle aged lady in the car with her AND a teenage boy. some example she set for him!! later bones From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 04:11:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03991; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA21453; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA10736; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bones.erols.com (spg-as45s18.erols.com [207.172.41.81]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13606; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070817.EAA13606@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "K.P. Bones Mahoney" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:18:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Advice on New (Used) Bike Purchase Reply-to: bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) > From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > Subject: Advice on New (Used) Bike Purchase > > I have a female friend who's been riding a 250 for over a year now and > > wants to buy a used 600 of some sort. She's like me & doesn't know > > a whole hell of a lot about bikes but loves to ride. She's 5'3" and > > 130 pounds, so she's a little concerned about her height & weight > > (small/light) with regards to riding a larger bike, but said she'd be > > willing to lower a bike to fit. She also wants a black bike. Plain > > black, no other colors. Can anyone recommend something? Her current > > bike is sporty, so I think she'd like a sport bike rather than > > anything along the cruiser vein. Thanks for the help... > > > > - Jeannette Kawasaki used to make a 550 twin that's not too big and sporty but I would go for the Honda Hawk myself , it in the 600 range V twin and I like it looks. never have gotten to ride one though, Happy shopping Bones bones@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 06:15:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04703; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA21988; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access2.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA11969; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from king@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA25891; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:15:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob and Val King Message-Id: <199710071015.GAA25891@access2.digex.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Cc: king@XXXXXX unsubscribe king@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 08:18:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05301; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23152; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13287; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAD018.45; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007080810.00963b90@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:08:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: tailgating [was: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? In-Reply-To: <199710062107.RAA12787@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >When we were on a >twisty pretty back road, a stupid jerk decided that I wasnt >goin fast enough for him, so he got right on my ass. I did >what I always do. I slowed way down. He backed off. For >about a minute. Then he was right back on me. So.. I slowed >down again. I mean.. if Im gonna get hit, Id rather be hit >goin slow than doin 50 ... >WHY do they HAVE to get on your >tail like that!?!?!?!?!!? > >Squeakers Been there. I suppose most of us have. Unfortunately, I don't think there's much we can do to stop tailgating, only get out of the way. All the great ideas like ball bearings, foam bricks, etc. will so easily backfire. Crazy drivers do crazy things. I timed it once, and it took me only 25 seconds to slow from 50mph, pull over, let a car go by, and get back to speed. So I keep trying to remember that I can have peace and safety in 25 seconds, or I can continue with a Brain Dead Cager on my tail. Any many times I see the BDC just go tailgate the car in front of me. Which is like that old joke: Two guys are backpacking in the woods when they come around a bend in the trail and see a momma bear on one side of them and a baby bear on the other side. The momma bear growls, raises the hackles on the back, and gets ready to rush them. One guy starts shrugging off his backpack. His buddy says, "What are you doing!" He answers, "I'm gonna run for it!" The buddy says, "Don't be a fool, you can't outrun a bear!" And the guy answers, "I don't have to outrun a bear ... I just have to outrun you!" Well, I don't have to get the tailgater off the road ... I just have to get him off my tail. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 08:18:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05306; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23153; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13284; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03099; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAC018.45; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:18:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007075342.00963b90@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 07:53:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Re[2]: another bug! In-Reply-To: <4392d990@emh3.arl.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > It is her "right" to dress in that manner. It just not smart > considering the consequences. > > She had what is known as 4th degree burns in some circles > (where you lose bone too). It wasn't a pretty image. Mind you she > had on a set of chaps so her legs were fine. She will be quite > unusual looking (skin wise) forever. > > So whenever I see someone riding clad for the beach or "posing" I just > wince. Falling simply hurts, and less (clothing) IS more (pain). I know what you mean. Years back, I was passing through Myrtle Beach, SC, on my way to Florida. It was a pretty warm day, and I was glad to doff my protective gear and suck down a cold drink while standing in the shade. Down the road came a sportbike with a passenger wearing nothing but a small pink bikini and shoes. She was posing something fierce, poking out all the right bits. And a cold chill ran down my spine as I thought what that good-looking person would look like if she went ashpalt-surfing. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 08:39:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05440; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23393; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13643; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02213; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:39:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199710071239.IAA02213@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Jeffrey Teitel Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:41:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Advice on New (Used) Bike Purchase Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > There is a web page and mailing list for "short bikers" that has lots of > great advice for those of us of smaller stature. I don't have the address > handy, but if a search doesn't turn it up right quick, let me know and > I'll dig it up. > > Jeff Teitel > Yup. Its at http://www.calweb.com/~trouble/short/shortindex.html I had forgotten about it. Its for us vertically challenged folks. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 08:40:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05457; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23417; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13669; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA26503; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:40:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: tailgating In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971007080810.00963b90@204.194.180.21> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... Today, on an on-ramp, with cars in front, (can't just blast off) and a BDC right on my tail, I tried a few quick sharp swerves in my lane -- you know -- just testing the ol' turning bones... Darned if that car didn't decide to give me more room. Crazy bikers, ya know? Seemed to work better than flashing the tail light usually does. Pete. (It's your lane, might as well use it.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 08:47:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05515; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23555; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13811; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA19015; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710071253.IAA19015@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: bonez@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:50:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: another bug! - squeakers fan club Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > as far as real wimmins I'll take a real one anyday, Flesh and blood > with (a) head ( on her shoulders) anyday!!! > > oink!! oink!!! > > Bones Now thats my kinda pig!!! :) :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 08:52:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05544; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23607; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13880; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16402; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:52:24 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:46:22 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.27] by dclink.com with smtp id AICJCFBK ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:41:36 -0500 From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: tailgating Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:45:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.9219.5109@207.168.31.27 One method is the constant applying of the brake so that the tail light keeps blinking and if that doesn't cure it move over and a nice jesture of ok idiot I moved out of your way cause your in to much of a hurry. Usually done with one hand and waving them on like ok go ahead. No you can have peace and you'll see them at the next light and a little wave is a great follow-up. Nah but for real just move over and let them go it's not worth the risk with all the aggressive drivers out there. I'm riding for enjoyment not to get angry. CK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:03:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05644; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23728; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14145; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22319; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710071309.JAA22319@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Todd B Peer" Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:05:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re- Aol'ers and tailgaters Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Lookin at the smtp here, you seem to have point of >presence via Erols... Yup, but I still have my AOL account, too. I let the kids use it. Its easy. Just point and click. Perfect for the younguns. :) :) But I DID start out on AOL in the dark ages. When *I* was a clueless newbie. Ive discovered that if you're a clueless newbie AOL'er MAN, you have the tendency to get ripped up. HOWEVER.. as a clueless newbie AOL'er WIMMIN, I got treated very gently, and men were always jumping to teach me how to do it right. Now Im a pro, so I can rip AOL'ers with the best of 'em!! :) > > hmmmm? Squeakers, your running around w/a target pasted >to your > butt...blam, blam, you ok? BLAM! I think I am. Chris Norloff wrote that its best to just take a few seconds and get outta the way, and I agree with that. I DO just move over whenever I can. Let the idiots go, right? The problem is that I ride on twisty backroads a lot. There ISNT any place to just pull over, and there ISNT any place to react if the tailgating jerk loses it and tries to run you down, or just plain cant control his cage and 'accidently" runs over you. Plus, cuz they ARE twisty, you have to slow down for some monster turns, then speed up for straightaways,, etc. Its not that Im a slug. The speed limit is usually between 35-45, the average at 40...and I DO 45-50. usually 50. Any faster would be just plain stupid. I AM sayin twisty back roads, and I MEAN twisty back roads. As in narrow. Windy. small. So.. what do you do then? I get out of the way as soon as I can, but what about till I can? > > (Scotch and homebrew, need I say more...well, I can't) > > Todd emmmm..sounds great! have some for me! :) :) > Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:07:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05710; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23745; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14214; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27798; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fonger-portable (ip116.washington12.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.81.116]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09169; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007091341.007adde0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:13:41 -0400 To: "Ckeyser" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: tailgating Cc: "DC Motorcycle Club" In-Reply-To: TCPSMTP_GEN.9219.5109@207.168.31.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:45 AM 10/7/97 -0400, Ckeyser wrote: >One method is the constant applying of the brake so that the tail light >keeps blinking After a recent bad experience on the beltway, when someone nearly ran me over after not realizing that traffic ahead of her was stopped, I installed Hyperlights on my BMW. They are small LED panels that mount either in or under the taillight and pulse wildly when you apply the brakes. They are very, very bright and impossible not to notice. If you look at them long enough you will have a seizure. Installation took 10 minutes. Although I've mainly seen them for BMWs, I've also seen Goldwings and other bikes with similar products. Since they've been in place, nobody's been riding my tail. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 R1100RT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:20:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05882; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23860; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14485; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25806 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710071326.JAA25806@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:23:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: unsubscribing Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Ok. I think Ive got this figured out. Anytime someone starts an even slightly vigorous discussion, we start getting some unsubscribe requests, right? ( and NO!! *Im* not the one that STARTS the damn vigorous discussions, I just DEFEND myself and will always do so) I figure its because.. 1) Its someone who got a new bike and new internet access and decided it would be kewl to be on the list. They join it, but dont actually ever READ any of it. While the list is quiet, thats no problem. When it gets noisy, then it IS a bother, so they unsubscribe. They arent ever actually READING it, cuz if they WERE, they'd see the person in FRONT of them get ripped for trying to unsubscribe IN THE LIST. But they DONT read it, so they do the SAME damn thing. 2) Its someone who starts a flame, but cant take any heat thrown back at them. As Bones said.. no cajones. 3) Its someone who's so emotionally gentle and fragile, that any kind of harsh words said to anyone else hurts them. (and they're on the internet?!?!?) 4) Its someone who cant STAND to see a mere wimmin state her mind. ESPECIALLY if it disagrees with HIS ideas. I mean.. after all! A mere wimmin should KEEP her PLACE!!! ( Im sorry to see those ones go. Its fun to whip up on them every chance I get) Well, thats how I see it. AND as a few people on this list have said to ME.. "I believe in natural selection". Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:31:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05997; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24439; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14735; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:31:40 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA23536 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007093032_-1563485714@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Messing with cages on the road In my two worst case scenarios involving 4 to 18 wheelers and bad feelings on the road, I decided that you can escalate some situations very quickly. You NEVER KNOW the mental state of the offender. I won't go into details, but both vehicles commited minor, but irritating and illegal acts such as shouting "buy a Harley" (I was on the GL1200), and the other flashing high beams to get me to move out of the third lane on 495 when other lanes were available. Both situations became finger waving and then 90 mph chasing. Both cages were company vehicles. The company utility driver pointed a revolver at me before it was over, so I ended up using my best "running from the police" tactics. I memorized the phone # on the truck, but decided not to call to complain. This is why: After the other incident, I called the company to complain. They took my name and work phone number. No one called me back. That night a scary man's voice on the phone at home described where I lived and told me what he would do to my 13 year old daughter. In a rage, (I have a scary voice that works reeeaal good when I need it too) I quickly told him I remembered the passengers face, knew where he worked, and I ever saw him near my house, I would do things to him and he would not survive. Riding a motorcycle is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you might bite into. Might be a bigger dog than you. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:32:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06006; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24484; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14784; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09762; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710071332.JAA09762@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Chris Norloff Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:34:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: tailgating [was: What's with all the bikers in Manassa Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > Been there. I suppose most of us have. Unfortunately, I don't think > there's much we can do to stop tailgating, only get out of the way. All > the great ideas like ball bearings, foam bricks, etc. will so easily > backfire. Crazy drivers do crazy things. > I know. I try and get out of the way every time I can. I dont WANT to rush. I dont WANT to fly. Im not in a hurry to get where Im going, Im just wanting to enjoy the GETTING there. Its the RIDE I love, not the destination. On regular roads, I can keep out of peoples way, so I do. Im faster than some, slower than others. Easy enough for me to go around or pull over. Just relax. Its those damn back roads that cause the trouble. Im pretty good now at doing twists, so I dont haffta crawl, and I actually like going a little faster than most on those roads. (twists are fun) But at SOME point you always get the asshole. Wants to fly, and you're a small bike, so he figures he can just push you outta the way. You WILL come to a place where you can pull over OR he can pass, but he just cant wait for that. He wants you to go faster than you feel comfortable doing. I WONT. MOST of the time, making it clear that you're uncomfortable or just plain pissed will do the trick. But cha always get those few..... squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:36:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06045; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24835; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14862; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IOIR8560EO8X2VE6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:37:31 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:32:48 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: I-495 Bridges To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1098IBC21XU3 X400-MTS-identifier: [;84239070017991/2015710@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I've noticed recently that the "open bridge joints" in lane #3 on the NW >MD beltway that had been closed by the repaving are beginning to open up >again. I presume that with the onset of winter, it's only going to get >worse. The are looking wider and deeper than were before they were fixed, >anyone else notice this trend? I noticed this yesterday on my ride home from work. Since they patched them I've been basically ignoring them (I used to know exactly when and where to be for those stupid things). Well, I changed lanes and just about got my front tire stuck in one while coming across it. Naturally I just whipped out the shotgun and blasted at the ground on the side of the bike that was heading for the ground thereby righting myself. Close call nonetheless. I remember seeing a message on the list a couple/few years ago after someone lowsided in one of the joints in rush hour traffic. Scary. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:48:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06108; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25057; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15177; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IOIRKHMD4W8X1LMI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:48:17 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:44:04 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:44:04 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: tailgating To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1100IBC23EHM X400-MTS-identifier: [;40449070017991/2015769@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >At 08:45 AM 10/7/97 -0400, Ckeyser wrote: >>One method is the constant applying of the brake so that the tail light >>keeps blinking > >After a recent bad experience on the beltway, when someone nearly ran me >over after not realizing that traffic ahead of her was stopped, I >installed Hyperlights on my BMW. They are small LED panels that mount >either in or under the taillight and pulse wildly when you apply the >brakes. They are very, very bright and impossible not to notice. If you >look at them long enough you will have a seizure. >Installation took 10 minutes. Although I've mainly seen them for BMWs, >I've also seen Goldwings and other bikes with similar products. >Since they've been in place, nobody's been riding my tail. I can vouch for the hyperlights. On a group ride a couple of weeks ago I spent way too much time behind a SuperHawk with hyperlights on it. They sure are irritating... The guy had modified the BMW hyperlights for both his SuperHawk and his Hawk GT. There are something like 18 LEDs flashing away at you (9 on each side of the license plate light). I thought my LED tailight on my bicycle was bright (with 5 LEDs) before I saw the hyperlights. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 10:14:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06604; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25401; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m12.boston.juno.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16118; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: justgreat@XXXXXX Received: (from justgreat@XXXXXX) by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KLI02029; Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:13:31 EDT To: "Squeakers" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:13:02 -0400 Subject: Re: unsubscribing Message-ID: <19971007.101306.13294.0.justgreat@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-23 > Ok. I think Ive got this figured out. Anytime someone > starts an even slightly vigorous discussion, we start > getting some unsubscribe requests, right? ( and NO!! *Im* > not the one that STARTS the damn vigorous discussions, I > just DEFEND myself and will always do so) > I figure its because.. > > 1) Its someone who got a new bike and new internet access > 4) Its someone who cant STAND to see a mere wimmin state > her mind. ESPECIALLY if it disagrees with HIS ideas. I > mean.. after all! A mere wimmin should KEEP her PLACE!!! > ( Im sorry to see those ones go. Its fun to whip up on them Or possibly: 5) They subscribed to learn what's going on with regard to bikes and riders in the DC area -- to get a sense of events and issues that affect their interest in riding. After a few days or weeks of monitoring mindless, sophomoric drivel (whether from men or "wimmin"), they decide that they'd be better off doing something productive with their time. Not everyone appreciates your wit and clever repartee like we do squeakers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 10:27:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06814; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26135; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16571; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA04627 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004555; Tue Oct 7 09:26:01 1997 Message-ID: <343A46AB.3709@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:26:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Tailgaters, etc. References: <199710071326.JAA25806@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, believe it or not, the only time I've ever pulled a gun on somebody was after one of these encounters with a pickup truck driver. I uneventfully passed him on a 2-lane highway, and I guess that hurt his ego. So I was riding about 85 or 90, and he passed me back. No problem with that; I don't mind getting passed, so long as the passer keeps up his speed. Then he starts slowing down - real slow - but whenever I tried to get around him he tried to run me off the road! I figured I'd pull over and let this asshole get a few miles away from me, but when I pulled off the road he does a wheel-locking, screeching, gravel-throwing stop and starts running back toward me waving a tire iron! At that time I always rode with a pistol in my fairing, which I pulled out, fired into the air, and pointed directly at this guy. I told him "get back in your truck and get the hell out of here," which he did. Whew; big sigh of relief. There really are crazies out there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 10:29:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06854; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26230; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16627; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA17981 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:29:05 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma017897; Tue, 7 Oct 97 10:28:47 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA16466 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876234194; Tue, 07 Oct 97 10:26:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9710078762.AA876234194@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 10:18:10 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: unsubscribing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers, Now you're finally understanding.. GREAT!!! :P Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: unsubscribing Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 10/7/97 9:23 AM I mean.. after all! A mere wimmin should KEEP her PLACE!!! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 10:30:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06880; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26269; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16667; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QQdkfy15721; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256529.005007E6 ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:34:09 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256529.004F04E2.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:29:39 -0400 Subject: Tailgating/Nice route to NYC??/DC-C Summit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all! This conversation about tailgating is great, and I love hearing about squeakers' trouble with keeping her man under wraps, heh heh :-) Anyway, what I really wanted to ask the group is if anyone knows a scenic route to the NYC area...I've ridden my bike to and from NYC a few times, and the NJ turnpike must be the most boring stretch of highway this side of the Mississippi (surprisingly safe, though)...what I'm looking for is a backroads route that will get me there relatively quickly but not expose me to the sheer tedium and occasional chaos of the 95->NJ Turnpike route...I know I'll have to hit the turnpike sometime, so maybe I should say that any scenic route that replaces even part of the trip would be great. Also, I hope to meet a few of you at the DC-C Summit on the 18th...I've been here in NYC for the past year and haven't been available for group rides, unfortunately...as much as I love the big city, though, I'll be heading back to the VA area in Feb...hopefully El Nino will provide some decent winter riding days, eh? :-) -Doug '82 Suzuki GS750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 10:32:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06915; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26383; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16754; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22886 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:32:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199710071432.KAA22886@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:34:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: unsubscribing Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > 5) They subscribed to learn what's going on with regard to bikes and > riders in the DC area -- to get a sense of events and issues that > affect their interest in riding. After a few days or weeks of > monitoring mindless, sophomoric drivel (whether from men or > "wimmin"), they decide that they'd be better off doing something > productive with their time. Not everyone appreciates your wit and > clever repartee like we do squeakers. > naw.. that cant be it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 10:48:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07204; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27483; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17413; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA21270 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:48:09 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma021219; Tue, 7 Oct 97 10:47:50 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA16863 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876234689; Tue, 07 Oct 97 10:45:28 -0500 Message-Id: <9710078762.AA876234689@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 10:29:29 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't cetch who, but they just said that they were involved in an 'incident' when someone flashed them while they were traveling in the left lane (I believe that was right). I must say, that most of the time delay problems, in my humble opinion, are because the damn fools in cages don't know basic driving protocal. Left lane is strictly for passing - once you pass someone, get back into the next lane over. Each lane to the right is slower then the previous - yet I find that the quickest way arround the beltway, up 95, out 66 etc.. is to hang out on the far right. Noone wants to travel in those lanes - plus the coppers aren't paying direct attention to those lanes as much as the 'fast' lanes (yes, from experience). If someone's camping out in the passing lane, and they can easily get over to allow a faster vehicle to pass, I ALWAYS flash them.. in each and every mirror (it's kinda funny to watch a driver squirm to get out of the light from 3 mirrors). This has to be annoying when my headlights tend to be on the 100watt side of things.... if only I had some bright ass driving lights too... man, sometimes I feel like I need a fork-lift. I swear, if the drivers from here were transported to somewhere out west, they'd be run over, pulled over, harrased, and shot at for they way they drive... brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 10:52:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07254; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27763; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17522; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:49:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:48:33 -0400 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? >>> Robert Johnston 10/06 2:59 PM >>> I'm intrigued by the reaction of the liberal community to the "Promise Keepers". Let me get the obvious out of the way first: What is the difference between Lois Farrikan's Million Man March and the Promise Keepers Rally? Where was the out cry of NOW et.al. then? There is very little difference between the Million Man March and the Promise Keepers Rally. You must not have read the NY Times after the Million Man March... One Liberals Opinion: Both are geared to take men with a void in there lives and fill it with a specially crafted spiritual message, comforting instruction on morality and a heavy dusting of the agenda of the sponsoring organization. If a person has little grounding in their life in these matters, or have not spent time finding integrity and faith in something on their own, they may be placated by these types of messages and feel they are DOING something. This in understandable and not really bad in the small picture. The reason this is not good in the bigger picture is that no one can teach compassion with words, each individual must find compassion in their hearts, it can take time to understand what that means and how it is applied in daily life. No one can learn it in a day at a rally or march. These events don't talk about compassion for ALL people and that is the only way we can all live together. Our differences is what makes us what we are. This is why women feel this Promise Keepers group is against them, they don't HEAR them saying "have compassion for those not like you, respect others choices" Religion is the opiate of the masses From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 10:52:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07271; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27776; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17558; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QQdkfz24148; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256529.00521679 ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:56:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256529.00517359.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Tailgaters, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=uGMGA2f8ATmbq81evZfoULkudO6LtetGqAAw3oEOt2iP6GxPPJsbe55Y" --0__=uGMGA2f8ATmbq81evZfoULkudO6LtetGqAAw3oEOt2iP6GxPPJsbe55Y Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Am I the only one whos noticing a common theme here...the word "pickup"? Maybe they should administer some sort of psychological examination not for those purchasing guns but rather for potential pickup truck buyers, heh heh heh...certainly would've weeded out the guy with the tire iron...but thew story about the guy who threatened to hurt the guy's daughter is way fucked up. :-/ -Doug (Embedded image moved tjoseph @ ix.netcom.com at AMS-Internet to file: 10/07/97 10:34 AM PIC02315.PCX) To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Tailgaters, etc. Well, believe it or not, the only time I've ever pulled a gun on somebody was after one of these encounters with a pickup truck driver. I uneventfully passed him on a 2-lane highway, and I guess that hurt his ego. So I was riding about 85 or 90, and he passed me back. No problem with that; I don't mind getting passed, so long as the passer keeps up his speed. Then he starts slowing down - real slow - but whenever I tried to get around him he tried to run me off the road! I figured I'd pull over and let this asshole get a few miles away from me, but when I pulled off the road he does a wheel-locking, screeching, gravel-throwing stop and starts running back toward me waving a tire iron! At that time I always rode with a pistol in my fairing, which I pulled out, fired into the air, and pointed directly at this guy. I told him "get back in your truck and get the hell out of here," which he did. Whew; big sigh of relief. There really are crazies out there. 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Let me get the obvious out of the way first: What is the difference between Lois Farrikan's Million Man March and the Promise Keepers Rally? Where was the out cry of NOW et.al. then? There is very little difference between the Million Man March and the Promise Keepers Rally. You must not have read the NY Times after the Million Man March... One Liberals Opinion: Both are geared to take men with a void in there lives and fill it with a specially crafted spiritual message, comforting instruction on morality and a heavy dusting of the agenda of the sponsoring organization. If a person has little grounding in their life in these matters, or have not spent time finding integrity and faith in something on their own, they may be placated by these types of messages and feel they are DOING something. This in understandable and not really bad in the small picture. The reason this is not good in the bigger picture is that no one can teach compassion with words, each individual must find compassion in their hearts, it can take time to understand what that means and how it is applied in daily life. No one can learn it in a day at a rally or march. These events don't talk about compassion for ALL people and that is the only way we can all live together. Our differences is what makes us what we are. This is why women feel this Promise Keepers group is against them, they don't HEAR them saying "have compassion for those not like you, respect others choices" Religion is the opiate of the masses Sandy 87 Hurricane 600 85 Virago 1000 "Sometimes I wonder if men and women really suit each other. Perhaps they should live next door and just visit now and then." --- Katharine Hepburn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:04:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07451; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27988; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17980; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA03157; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:01:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA22541; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:01:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA19721; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:01:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: tjoseph@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tailgaters, etc. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007150111.AAA19721@localHost> Well, believe it or not, the only time I've ever pulled a gun on somebody was after one of these encounters with a pickup truck driver. I uneventfully passed him on a 2-lane highway, and I guess that hurt his ego. So I was riding about 85 or 90, and he passed me back. No problem with that; I don't mind getting passed, so long as the passer keeps up his speed. Then he starts slowing down - real slow - but whenever I tried to get around him he tried to run me off the road! I figured I'd pull over and let this asshole get a few miles away from me, but when I pulled off the road he does a wheel-locking, screeching, gravel-throwing stop and starts running back toward me waving a tire iron! At that time I always rode with a pistol in my fairing, which I pulled out, fired into the air, and pointed directly at this guy. I told him "get back in your truck and get the hell out of here," which he did. Whew; big sigh of relief. There really are crazies out there. Yeah, but which one was more crazy! ;^) Tony, I'm surprised at you and proud at the same time. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:08:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07557; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28118; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18178; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25968; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:07:41 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-092810@XXXXXX ; 7 Oct 97 11:08:41 EDT Message-Id: Subject: Bad day?? Date: 7 Oct 97 11:03:38 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first one contains the moto content. The rest are jsut downright funny (ok, maybe not alll of em, but at least a good portion of them) Have a good one... Collin ___________________ >> Are you having a bad day?? Consider this... >> * While motorcycling through the Hungarian countryside, Cristo Falatti >> came to a railway line just as the crossing gates were coming down. >> While he sat idling, he was joined by a farmer with a goat, which the >> farmer tethered to the crossing gate. A few moments later, a horse and >> cart drew up behind Falatti, followed in short order by a man in a >> sports car. When the train roared through the crossing, the horse >> startled and bit Falatti on the arm. Not a man to be trifled with, >> Falatti responded by punching the horse in the nose. In consequence, >> the horse's owner jumped down from his cart and began scuffling with >> Falatti. The horse, which was not up to this sort of excitement, backed >> away briskly, smashing the cart into the sports car. At this, the >> sports car driver leaped out of his car and joined the fray. The farmer >> came forward to try to pacify the three flailing men. As he did so, the >> crossing gates rose, strangling his goat. At last report, the insurance >> companies were still trying to sort out the claims. >> * A fierce gust of wind blew 45-year-old Vittorio Luise's car into a >> river near Naples, Italy, in 1983. He managed to break a window, climb >> out, and swim to shore... where a tree blew over and killed him. >> >> * Mike Stewart, 31, of Dallas, Texas, was filming a movie in 1983 on the >> dangers of low-level bridges when the truck he was standing on passed >> under a low-level bridge... and killed him. >> >> * In 1983, a Mrs. Carson of Lake Kushaqua, New York, was laid out in >> her coffin, presumed dead from a heart attack. As mourners watched, she >> suddenly sat up. Her daughter dropped dead from a heart attack. >> >> * A man hit by a car in New York in 1977 got up uninjured, but lay back >> down in front of the car when a bystander told him to pretend he was >> hurt so he could collect insurance money. The car rolled forward and >> crushed him to death. >> >> * Surprised while burgling a house in Antwerp, Belgium, a thief fled out >> the back door of the house, clambered over a nine foot wall, dropped >> down, and found himself in the city prison. >> >> * In 1976 a 22-year-old Irishman named Bob Finnegan was crossing the >> busy Falls Road in Belfast when he was struck by a taxi and flung over >> its roof. The taxi drove away and, as Finnegan lay stunned in the road, >> another car ran into him, rolling him into the gutter. It too drove on. >> As a knot of gawkers gathered to examine the magnetic Irishman, a >> delivery van plowed into the crowd, leaving in its wake three injured >> bystanders and an even more battered Bob Finnegan. When a fourth >> vehicle came along, the crowd scattered and only one person was hit... >> Bob Finnegan. In the space of 5 minutes, Finnegan suffered a fractured >> skull, broken pelvis, broken leg, and multiple abrasions. Hospital >> officials, however, said he would recover. >> * Two West German motorists had an all-too-literal head-on collision in >> heavy fog near the small town of Guetersloh. They were going in >> opposite directions and each man was guiding his car at a snail's pace >> near the centerline of the road. At the moment of impact, their heads >> were both out of the windows when their heads smacked together. Both >> men were hospitalized with severe head injuries. Their cars weren't >> scratched. >> >> * Hitting on the novel idea that he could end his wife's incessant >> nagging by giving her a good scare, Hungarian Jake Fen built an >> elaborate harness to make it look as if he had hanged himself. When his >> wife came home and saw him, she fainted. Hearing the disturbance, a >> neighbor came over and, finding what she thought were two corpses, >> seized the opportunity to loot the place. As she passed by Mr. Fen, >> her arms laden with booty, the outraged and suspended Mr. Fen kicked >> the neighbor stoutly in the backside. This so surprised the lady that >> she had a heart attack and died. Mr. Fen was acquitted of manslaughter >> and he and his wife were reconciled. >> >> * An unidentified English woman, according to the London Sunday Express, >> was climbing into her bathtub one afternoon when she remembered she had >> left some muffins in the oven. Naked, she dashed downstairs and was >> removing the muffins when she heard a knock at the door. Thinking it >> was the baker, and knowing he would come in and leave a loaf of bread on >> the kitchen table if she didn't answer, the woman darted into the broom >> cupboard. A few moments later, she heard the back door open and, to her >> eternal mortification, the sound of footsteps coming toward the >> cupboard. It was the man from the gas company, come to read the meter. >> As he opened the cupboard, the woman stammered, "Oh, I was expecting the >> baker!" The gas man blinked, excused himself, closed the cupboard and >> departed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:10:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07572; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28140; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18224; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QQdkga00831; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256529.0053AD03 ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:13:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256529.005302C7.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:09:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=8hKKujOxaxzQp2Es50BXARYTqc3M2tm6mfIBJsAEpK9riokHbAWWLFN2" --0__=8hKKujOxaxzQp2Es50BXARYTqc3M2tm6mfIBJsAEpK9riokHbAWWLFN2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think one of the reasons for the empty right lane on the beltway is because of the on/off ramps...nothings more frustrating than dealing with idiots just entering the beltway thinking they can just close their eyes, gun it, and get in the flow of traffic without paying attention to other drivers/riders. Similarly, I usually stay out of the right lane because of the people exiting who get in front of me and lay on the brakes to make some 25 MPH offramp hairpin... Damn than beltway! ;-) -Doug (Embedded image moved "Brian McCoy" at AMS-Internet to file: 10/07/97 10:29 AM PIC12277.PCX) To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) I didn't cetch who, but they just said that they were involved in an 'incident' when someone flashed them while they were traveling in the left lane (I believe that was right). I must say, that most of the time delay problems, in my humble opinion, are because the damn fools in cages don't know basic driving protocal. Left lane is strictly for passing - once you pass someone, get back into the next lane over. Each lane to the right is slower then the previous - yet I find that the quickest way arround the beltway, up 95, out 66 etc.. is to hang out on the far right. 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Hey BTW I took the California Super Bike School at Wakins Glen two weeks ago, I'll post a report when I can write one. if anyone has any questions about it let me know. Also I got a great pic of me and keith code!! Sandy 87 Hurricane 600 85 Virago 1000 "Sometimes I wonder if men and women really suit each other. Perhaps they should live next door and just visit now and then." --- Katharine Hepburn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:17:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07792; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28250; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18772; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA07841 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA13836 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:16:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA30717 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:16:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Subject: Re: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007151620.AAA30717@localHost> Brian M. wrote: I didn't cetch who, but they just said that they were involved in an 'incident' when someone flashed them while they were traveling in the left lane (I believe that was right). I must say, that most of the time delay problems, in my humble opinion, are because the damn fools in cages don't know basic driving protocal. Left lane is strictly for passing - once you pass someone, get back into the next lane over. Each lane to the right is slower then the previous - yet I find that the quickest way arround the beltway, up 95, out 66 etc.. is to hang out on the far right. Noone wants to travel in those lanes - plus the coppers aren't paying direct attention to those lanes as much as the 'fast' lanes (yes, from experience). If someone's camping out in the passing lane, and they can easily get over to allow a faster vehicle to pass, I ALWAYS flash them.. in each and every mirror (it's kinda funny to watch a driver squirm to get out of the light from 3 mirrors). This has to be annoying when my headlights tend to be on the 100watt side of things.... if only I had some bright ass driving lights too... man, sometimes I feel like I need a fork-lift. I swear, if the drivers from here were transported to somewhere out west, they'd be run over, pulled over, harrased, and shot at for they way they drive... brian I absolutely agree with what your saying here. However, using the far right lane to pass, though tempting, will get you some unwanted notoriety eventually. It is very frustrating when you pull up behind someone in the far left lane, obviously able to overtake them, and they just sit there and look at you. I know the mental work going on is something like 'the speed limit is 55, tough for you'. Flashing lights used to work in almost all situations. Now though, it could get you chased or shot. I don't do it anymore. The solution could be the same our local constabulary have been effecting for aggressive driving. Focus too on traffic impeders. If you're hanging out in the left lane and there are cars behind you, MOVE OVER GODDAMNIT! The law may say 55mph, but you all know as well as I do the avg speed is around 70mph. It is a simple matter of courtesy. You don't need to be in the left lane, so move when you're not passing. Todd (on a topic that just sets me on fire) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:27:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08138; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28515; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19201; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA11092 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA23872 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA16622 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:25:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007152522.AAA16622@localHost> Sandy TRIOLO WROTE: >>>> Robert Johnston 10/06 2:59 PM >>> >I'm intrigued by the reaction of the liberal community to the "Promise >Keepers". Let me get the obvious out of the way first: What is the >difference between Lois Farrikan's Million Man March and the Promise >Keepers Rally? Where was the out cry of NOW et.al. then? >There is very little difference between the Million Man March and the >Promise Keepers Rally. You must not have read the NY Times after the >Million Man March... > >One Liberals Opinion: >Both are geared to take men with a void in there lives and fill it with a >specially crafted spiritual message, comforting instruction on morality >and a heavy dusting of the agenda of the sponsoring organization. Screw the promise keepers! Come to the DC-Cycles Summit on October 18th.. No hidden agendas! No comforting instructions on morality! The only specially crafted messages are to GET YER BUNS OUT THERE on the 18th! Women are ABSOLUTELY welcome (bring yer girlfriends too!) ;^) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:33:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08249; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28834; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19418; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA04900 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007113131_1787805180@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tailgaters, etc. In a message dated 97-10-07 11:05:24 EDT, you write: << Am I the only one whos noticing a common theme here...the word "pickup"? Maybe they should administer some sort of psychological examination not for those purchasing guns but rather for potential pickup truck buyers, heh heh heh...certainly would've weeded out the guy with the tire iron.. >> HEY!! I was driving pickups long before they fashionable! Must have had something to do with that farm. Hell, I even had shag carpeting in mine in 1972. And I wasn't a flower child, I was in the Navy working on fighter aircraft. Lets not bust on pickups, der da backbone uf "Merica. Us red necks know we are. why do think they're always pissed off looking? Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:41:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08530; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28918; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20042; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fonger-portable (ip116.washington12.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.81.116]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00962; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007114740.007a8230@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:47:40 -0400 To: "Todd B Peer" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19971007151620.AAA30717@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I once saw a product advertised in the back of "Car and Driver." It was a windshield banner (like the ones that say "Chevy" or "Trans Am") written in mirror-reverse (like the way "Ambulance" is printed) to be visible in the rear view mirror. It said, "Slower Traffic Keep Right" Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (Stolen... MIA) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:57:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08917; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29822; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20939; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA06740; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:03:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:03:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Re: tailgating In-Reply-To: TCPSMTP_GEN.9219.5109@207.168.31.27 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I recently found (caught) myself tailgating a car (BDC) when it was blocking the left lane of a 4-lane limited-access road, going just the same speed as the traffic in the right lane. Generated a couple of (printable) thoughts: (1) how often are we guilty of doing the same stuff we complain about? (2) when WE are being 'gated, how often is it because we're squatting in the "passing" lane? (My personal answers: (1) too often; (2) not guilty) --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 12:13:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09075; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00128; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21434; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fonger-portable (ip116.washington12.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.81.116]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12256; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007121927.007b1e00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:19:27 -0400 To: Garcia Oliver From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: tailgating Cc: dc-cycle In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:03 PM 10/7/97 -0400, Garcia Oliver wrote: (1) how often are we guilty of doing the same stuff >we complain about? I agree and I confess. To that end, though, I'll throw in how a friend and I who have ridden together for years get people out of the way. This is best to do at night. We ride up behind them (not too close) in our regulation staggered formation, then switch lane positions. Most people believe a car is coming up behind them because of the lights, then freak out when the lights cross each other. It has rarely failed. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (Stolen... MIA) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 12:29:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09329; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00288; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21923; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA10982 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:26:58 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:26:58 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:23:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 15 TEXT, 46 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >I once saw a product advertised in the back of "Car and Driver." It was >a windshield banner (like the ones that say "Chevy" or "Trans Am") written >in mirror-reverse (like the way "Ambulance" is printed) to be visible in >the rear view mirror. You're assuming that they're using the mirrors. I just had an a**hole back into me in The Plains on Saturday. I had just parked (parallel) and he backed about 20 feet into me - I was so astonished that I didn't do anything until he had actually hit my front tire - whereupon I yelled at him (horn wasn't being cooperative) begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C(0`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````,S0R,# S M04%&0C-%1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`&0`' ``0```"8```!213H@3&5F="!,86YE(%1R879E;" H5V%S.E1A:6QG M871I;F `_ :(#1S: B0;!BP&4!N;ND$D" H%$!K%R 9`@(@VP>1&0!A!4 70'D9 ML1D0C'9Y&L %L2)4<@8B\$%M(BD;$ 40`D )\$<;7QQO&-%M:7(#8'+^+0EP M&$$0&0+?"7 *P2@0!]$D9"XHOQ"0=2PD60A@)PEP%W $$'6O)& 5 M`!^4&0%Y+>)U`)!W+H,7("1DX-T8L"@* ML0= *&!L(8 :$K\9%1BA`: (8 5 %<%F">#[)!(S-"T6P1LA%S GP!LP/R>P M`P`=T!BA'Z,6T&1I*&1N)P5 9#GA;GG[&0`N %0&T@$ -1;P(P&/ D<#DR=QD0"7!U]G T<1;0>1X`*& Q\3&Q_P=P'J R M< 2A&R$[4B?@+G*Y!:!O< 20'\ :<2DPJA<6"BPD$3$`1* #`( 0_____PL` M`X (( 8``````, ```````!&``````.%`````/__`P`%@ @@!@``````P `` M`````$8`````$(4````````#``" "" &``````# ````````1@````!2A0`` MMPT``!X``8 (( 8``````, ```````!&`````%2%```!````! ```#@N, `# M``* "" &``````# ````````1@`````!A0````````L`!( (( 8``````, ` M``````!&``````Z%`````````P`&@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````$84` M```````#``> "" &``````# ````````1@`````8A0```````!X`"( (( 8` M`````, ```````!&`````#:%```!`````0`````````>``F "" &``````# M````````1@`````WA0```0````$`````````'@`*@ @@!@``````P `````` M`$8`````.(4```$````!``````````,`)@```````P`V```````"`?D_`0`` M`!X`````````W*= R,!"$!JTN0@`*R_A@@$`````````+@```!X`^#\!```` M%0```%-Y; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycle'" Subject: RE: tailgating Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:34:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT I'm very conscious of the left lane. If I'm not the fastest one moving then I get out of the way, period. Others that have ridden with me will agree. The only time I don't move over is when its bumper to bumper and can't get over. I will admit to being guilty of tailgating people at times that are hogging the left lane but I never do it to bikes. This is not meant to be an excuse but at least if I rear end a cage its better rear ending a bike. Again as Todd said "MOVE OVER". Oh, and my personal favorite are the people in the left lane who wait until you have completely slowed to their speed before moving over. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >I recently found (caught) myself tailgating a car (BDC) when it was >blocking the left lane of a 4-lane limited-access road, going just the >same speed as the traffic in the right lane. Generated a couple of >(printable) thoughts: (1) how often are we guilty of doing the same stuff >we complain about? (2) when WE are being 'gated, how often is it because >we're squatting in the "passing" lane? > >(My personal answers: (1) too often; (2) not guilty) > >--garcia > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 12:56:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09979; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00751; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23264; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05693 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <4MG46RGZ>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:56:08 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464563A97@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycle'" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" Subject: RE: tailgating Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:55:46 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN[SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 12:34 PM > To: 'dc-cycle' > Subject: RE: tailgating > > I'm very conscious of the left lane. If I'm not the fastest one > moving > then I get out of the way, period. Others that have ridden with me > will > agree. The only time I don't move over is when its bumper to bumper > and > can't get over. I will admit to being guilty of tailgating people at > times that are hogging the left lane but I never do it to bikes. This > is not meant to be an excuse but at least if I rear end a cage its > better rear ending a bike. Again as Todd said "MOVE OVER". > > Oh, and my personal favorite are the people in the left lane who wait > until you have completely slowed to their speed before moving over. > That REALLY bugs me in the car (Honda Civic ... absolutely zero acceleration), but on the bike it is no big deal ... Roll-On acceleration RULES! Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:07:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10158; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00938; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23706; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02434; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id NAA007.54; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007125647.00961c20@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:56:47 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: tailgating In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971007091341.007adde0@pop.mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:13 AM 10/7/97 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > After a recent bad experience on the beltway, when someone nearly ran me >over after not realizing that traffic ahead of her was stopped, I installed >Hyperlights on my BMW. They are small LED panels that mount either in or >under the taillight and pulse wildly when you apply the brakes. They are >very, very bright and impossible not to notice. If you look at them long >enough you will have a seizure. > Installation took 10 minutes. Although I've mainly seen them for BMWs, >I've also seen Goldwings and other bikes with similar products. > Since they've been in place, nobody's been riding my tail. How big are the Hyperlites? Are they on all the time the brake is on? Rear-end collisions are the most common wrecks in the DC area ... all due to car drivers going faster than they can stop. A good reason to be ready to split lanes! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:07:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10159; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00940; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23710; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id NAB007.54; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007130502.0096ae00@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:05:02 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) In-Reply-To: <9710078762.AA876234689@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:29 AM 10/7/97 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: > > I didn't cetch who, but they just said that they were involved in an > 'incident' when someone flashed them while they were traveling in the > left lane (I believe that was right). I must say, that most of the > time delay problems, in my humble opinion, are because the damn fools > in cages don't know basic driving protocal. Left lane is strictly for > passing - once you pass someone, get back into the next lane over. > Each lane to the right is slower then the previous - yet I find that > the quickest way arround the beltway, up 95, out 66 etc.. is to hang > out on the far right. Noone wants to travel in those lanes That's a new danger, as a result of people crowding to the left --- people who really want to fly will go into the right lane. So there you are, trying to merge at 0-15mph below the speed limit (depending on your acceleration and the length of the merge lane) and some Brain Dead Cager comes flying down the right lane at 20-25mph over the speed limit. It makes getting on to the highway pretty interesting! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:11:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10202; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01044; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23854; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15660 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:10:56 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:10:56 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycle'" Subject: RE: tailgating Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:07:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT, 47 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Oh, and my personal favorite are the people in the left lane who wait >until you have completely slowed to their speed before moving over. How 'bout those that creep along passing the guy to the right with a Delta V of about .01 MPH, finally get past the guy, pull over and then hit the throttle? Along those lines is the following situation - Approaching slower traffic, I check left for faster traffic prior to changing lanes for the pass. Traffic is coming up fast, so I wait to let him (or her) clear before I pull over. Traffic gets abreast of the guy I want to pass and rolls off the throttle - pacing the guy ahead and being a great roadblock. Still in theme, how 'bout the clown that comes up as above and then hangs in your blind spot? begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C$1`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````-$8R,# S M04%&0C-%1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`+ ``@0`0```&4```!/2"Q!3D1-65!%4E-/3D%,1D%6 M3U))5$5!4D542$5014]03$5)3E1(14Q%1E1,04Y%5TA/5T%)5%5.5$E,64]5 M2$%614-/35!,151%3%E33$]714143U1(14E24U!%141"149/``````,`$! ! 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"" &```` M``# ````````1@`````#A0````#__P,`!8 (( 8``````, ```````!&```` M`!"%`````````P``@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````4H4``+<-```>``& M"" &``````# ````````1@````!4A0```0````0````X+C ``P`"@ @@!@`` M````P ```````$8``````84````````+``2 "" &``````# ````````1@`` M```.A0````````,`!H (( 8``````, ```````!&`````!&%`````````P`' M@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````&(4````````>``B "" &``````# ```` M````1@`````VA0```0````$`````````'@`)@ @@!@``````P ```````$8` M````-X4```$````!`````````!X`"H (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#B% M```!`````0`````````#`"8```````,`-@```````@'Y/P$````>```````` M`-RG0,C 0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"X````>`/@_`0```!4```!3>7-T M96T@061M:6YI BTW, what times were you running?? Is 10.99 an attainable goal (thinking if > I need a kill switch, it is better to do it now than that night) My guess > is that the ZX11 will run a bit quicker than mine (plus you've got some > experience at it) so if you're above 10.99 then I should be too. You don't actually need a kill switch if you run 10.00+, at least they didn't require that at street bike day. You DO need leathers to post a dial-in time of 10.99 or faster. Although I have a kill switch installed, they didn't check it. I run pretty consistant 10.70's, but I just changed gearing and I'm hoping for a bit faster times. My trap speeds are very consistant 129mph. You should be able to produce at least 10.70's (knowing the way you can handle your bike) if not faster. Last time I was there I saw modified GSXR750s running 10.50s regularly because they were getting decent hard launches. >From looking at my 60' times I obviously need work on my launch. I've been practicing so I'm ready to do better, plus the gearing change (previously I had -1 front and +2 rear which was a bit much to launch a ZX11) but now back to stock rear so.. anyways we'll hook up later in the week and make plans.. Berg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:30:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10550; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01308; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24665; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw2.att.com; Tue Oct 7 13:25 EDT 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA03681 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA03728 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:27:29 -0400 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD324.D4FCC530@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:28:00 -0400 Message-Id: To: , , Subject: RE: tailgating Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:27:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since moving to VA from NJ, I have found that most everyone from VA is unconscious when it comes to the left lanes use for passing only. This causes everyone else to go the weave through traffic route. Which to me is more dangerous than speeding along in the left lane. I've been on the NJ turnpike behind someone from VA in a Van, so I couldn't see around them, where NO ONE was in the right lane for 1 MILE!! Yet they wouldn't move into the right lane and let me pass properly flashing high beams & all. In all fairness, not everyone in VA is like that and not everyone in NJ is perfect, however the problem is much worse here than there, IMHO. I have also found that with a passenger on my bike that when I ride slower many other bikes fly on by me. Most of the time I am _not_going_that_slow. Comments?? Am I doing something wrong?? Even other bikers with passengers with them, pass me. If I'm aware that other bikers are around I always give them room & if I pass then I move to the far right of the lane to allow them to do the same. Later . . . --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:33:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10601; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01352; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24815; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (root@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18613 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA22289 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007133600.0092bd60@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:36:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: New lister - subscribe? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey all, Can someone subscribe me to the list? I tried the automated servant: "user unknown". Thanks! MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:33:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10611; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01383; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24828; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip219.herndon2.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.2.219]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12966; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343A7223.819FC77B@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:32:20 -0400 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tailgating/Nice route to NYC??/DC-C Summit References: <85256529.004F04E2.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello all! . . . > Anyway, what I really wanted to ask the group is if anyone knows a scenic > route to the NYC area...I've ridden my bike to and from NYC a few times, > and the NJ turnpike must be the most boring stretch of highway this side of > the Mississippi (surprisingly safe, though)...what I'm looking for is a > backroads route that will get me there relatively quickly but not expose me > to the sheer tedium and occasional chaos of the 95->NJ Turnpike route...I > know I'll have to hit the turnpike sometime, so maybe I should say that any > scenic route that replaces even part of the trip would be great. > . . . > -Doug > '82 Suzuki GS750L > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX . . . Delurking . . . Doug: I recently planned a trip that avoided interstate driving from Alexandria to Cape Cod using one of the Internet map services-- www.mapsonus.com. (1) I first consulted an east coast road map to trace out a general route that avoided metropolitan areas, basically staying west and north of Philadelphia and NYC. (2) Then I looked at an atlas that showed topographical features and narrowed my route to follow higher elevations. (3) Using the tried-and-true random selection method, I then selected a series of towns within my above defined corridor. (4) I used these towns as my "intermediate destinations" at the MapsOnUs web site. (5) The end result was a detailed route map and driving instructions that I reviewed and modified slightly, as the Internet map sites don't always calculate the most logical route. For example, I did not want to hit every intermediate destination, so I eliminated the instructions for entering/exiting those towns. The route was thoroughly enjoyable and I saw a lot of local riders on the roads I had selected. The best part was I never really knew were I was, so when I missed a turn I wasn't really lost and could select any road on the map to return to my designated route. Unfortunately, due to time constraints, I wound up interstating it all the way back. Consult the "White Horse Press" catalog for some good travel resources and check out the following web sites. http://www.moto-directory.com/welcome.htm http://www.speedtrap.com/speedtrap/ http://www.calweb.com/~jamesm/roads.html http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html http://www.ioa.com/home/smma/ Good luck on your trip. Randy Dow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:38:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10663; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01492; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24994; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.army.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD326.6E5F2B40@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'MEIERCH@XXXXXX'" , "'jcarver@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: tailgating Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:39:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT All this talk about bad drivers reminded me of a great web page. Check it out, someone did a nice job putting this thing together: http://members.aol.com/doggiesnot/moron/driver/index.htm Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna >>How 'bout those that creep along passing the guy to the right with a Delta V >>of about .01 MPH, finally >get past the guy, pull over and then hit the >>throttle? > >>Along those lines is the following situation - Approaching slower traffic, I >>check left for faster traffic prior >to changing lanes for the pass. Traffic >>is coming up fast, so I wait to let him (or her) clear before I pull >over. >>Traffic gets abreast of the guy I want to pass and rolls off the throttle - >>pacing the guy ahead and >being a great roadblock. > >>Still in theme, how 'bout the clown that comes up as above and then hangs in >>your blind spot? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:39:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10698; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01508; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25042; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29066; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fonger-portable (ip116.washington12.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.81.116]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11019; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007134555.007aa6b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:45:55 -0400 To: Chris Norloff From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Lights and Visibility Cc: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971007125647.00961c20@204.194.180.21> References: <3.0.1.32.19971007091341.007adde0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:56 PM 10/7/97 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: > > >How big are the Hyperlites? Are they on all the time the brake is on? > Hyperlights are two small, rectangular light pods, about 1 x 3 cm, connected to a similarly sized chip. Wiring runs to your brakelight and ground. The whole business fits inside your taillight assembly. They run all the time while the brake light is on. There was a thread on the BMW mailing list of trying to rig them to stop flashing after a while, or to have some sort of override, but nothing seemed very practical. As it stands, they really are obnoxious, but that's the trade-off. Some suggested the flashing might even attract drunks to hit you (like a car parked on the side of the highway). Again, I'll take my chances. When you read the Hurt study on motorcyle accidents, they always talk about the importance of visibility, particularly from the front. I completely agree, which is why I have the Hyperlights, an 80/100w headlight, and also Run-n-Lights, which convert your turn signals into marker lights. (The bulb is replaced by a dual filament bulb, with the lower wattage light linked with your taillight). They are made for front and rear turn signals. I'm not particularly fond of headlight modulators. Another thing people use is reflective tape which is looks black (or whatever color) but reflects bright white. It's nice to add to hard luggage and helmets. Here's the info off the BMW list: GALLS - 1-800-477-7766 Page 258 #U-DE183 - 4" x 60" Strip reflective $12.99 plus shipping Colors; Gold/Silver/Black/Red/Orange/Yellow/Green/Med Blue/Dk Blue From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:46:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10801; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01680; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25358; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD327.04ED3110@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:43:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: tailgating Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:43:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT MJ said: Along those lines is the following situation - Approaching slower traffic, I check left for faster traffic prior to changing lanes for the pass. Traffic is coming up fast, so I wait to let him (or her) clear before I pull over. Traffic gets abreast of the guy I want to pass and rolls off the throttle - pacing the guy ahead and being a great roadblock. Still in theme, how 'bout the clown that comes up as above and then hangs in your blind spot? ------------------------------- It seems that cagers like to travel in herds. The poor guy had to hurry to catch up to the little group, didn't want to be left alone. It's a big bad scary world out there, gotta stay with the flock. NOT! Horkster (group rides ok, but I like to ride alone) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:46:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10814; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01701; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25368; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05149; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710071746.NAA05149@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Peter Hartzler Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:49:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: tailgating Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Today, on an on-ramp, with cars in front, (can't just blast off) and a BDC > right on my tail, I tried a few quick sharp swerves in my lane -- you know -- > just testing the ol' turning bones... Darned if that car didn't decide to > give me more room. Crazy bikers, ya know? Seemed to work better than > flashing the tail light usually does. > > Pete. (It's your lane, might as well use it.) > i LIKE that one! Gotta try it!!! Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:55:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10904; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01878; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25604; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip219.herndon2.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.2.219]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21556; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343A771C.E86F46E8@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:53:32 -0400 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tailgating/Nice route to NYC??/DC-C Summit References: <85256529.004F04E2.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello all! . . . > Anyway, what I really wanted to ask the group is if anyone knows a scenic > route to the NYC area...I've ridden my bike to and from NYC a few times, > and the NJ turnpike must be the most boring stretch of highway this side of > the Mississippi (surprisingly safe, though)...what I'm looking for is a > backroads route that will get me there relatively quickly but not expose me > to the sheer tedium and occasional chaos of the 95->NJ Turnpike route...I > know I'll have to hit the turnpike sometime, so maybe I should say that any > scenic route that replaces even part of the trip would be great. > . . . > -Doug > '82 Suzuki GS750L > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX . . . Delurking . . . Doug: To follow up my last post: >I recently planned a trip that avoided interstate driving from Alexandria to >Cape Cod using one of the Internet map services-- www.mapsonus.com. Use the "avoid major highways" option when calculating your route. Randy Dow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 14:09:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11144; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02100; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26078; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24688; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:09:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199710071809.OAA24688@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Todd B Peer" Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:11:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > It is very frustrating when you pull up behind > someone in the far left lane, obviously able to overtake them, and > they just sit there and look at you. I know the mental work going > on is something like 'the speed limit is 55, tough for you'. Flashing > lights used to work in almost all situations. Now though, it could > get you chased or shot. I don't do it anymore. > Wow. This gives me shivers. I think we all agree on something!!!!! Driving on 95 is downright terrifying to me sometimes. My hubby always drives, naturally ( he says he'll never be MY passenger) and he gets soooo pissed at people in the far left lane going slow. If you aint faster, get outta the way! MOVE over. Or you MIGHT get someone like my ol'man behind you, who wont think twice about running you off the road. Who will go OUT of his way to find a way to "teach you". The mans crazy and scares the hell outta me but says I cant drive him. Yeah, he has a pickup. That otta tell ya somethin about him right there, huh? Far left lane= faster and passing middle lane= middle of the road far right lane= slower traffic But that still doesnt help me with narrow single lane twisty hilly back roads. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 14:13:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11220; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02144; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26261; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s47.erols.com [207.172.110.47]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04465; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710071818.OAA04465@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:15:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Tailgaters, etc. Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Lets not bust on pickups, der da backbone uf "Merica. Us red necks know > we are. why do think they're always pissed off looking? > Richard > > Yup, everyone needs at least one. We've always had a pickup. During fishing season, it always has a canoe strapped on top of it. During hunting season it has a "modified bicycle" strapped to the front. (for gettin deep in areas that you cant drive in, but its too far to walk.) Gawd.. is that redneck or what! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 14:54:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12486; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02544; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29745; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id OAA015.56; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:54:09 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971007145343.0092e430@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:53:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: New "Snowmobile" Faceshield --WOW! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just got a new faceshield for my early Shoei DuoTec (flip-front) helmet. This is marketed as a "snowmobile" faceshield -- it has a second layer of plastic installed on the "vision area" of the faceshield, creating an insulating air pocket. I was going to buy a regular faceshield and install a Fog Shield, but decided to go with this "factory" unit. It's been fog-free so far, but the weather hasn't been real cold yet. It's expensive, I paid $55 (which is actually pretty close to a new faceshield and a Fog Shield). One advantage this faceshield has over the Fog Shield is that there are no "star patterns" or other diffraction effects from point sources of light. And it is *so* nice to have a new, very clear faceshield! The markings on the faceshield are: Shoei Model C-20-W Exceeds Z87.1 / VESC 8 Not Warranted Shatterproof Made in USA Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 17:03:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15678; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05699; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06559; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA07939 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:02:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA00247 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:02:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA11400 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:02:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: AMA Action X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007210203.AAA11400@localHost> More FYI on the AMA Action in response to some heavy handed police activity at Deals Gap TN. Mike Stenger is on the ST1100 list I subscribe to (just so ya know) Todd __________________________________________________________________ Mike and Rebecca Stenger wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > I have recently been alarmed by reports on several internet mailing > lists of law enforcement harassment of motorcyclists at a BMW rally in > Fontana, North Carolina. Incidents were also reported by HSTA members > attending the "TN-STAR" rally in Townsend, Tn. Some things reported > include: police roadblocks targeting bikers, checking for license and > registration, etc. At Fontana, a police helicopter was flying over > playing the theme from the Fox show "Cops" ("bad boys, bad boys, whatcha > gonna do...) on a loudspeaker! > I have no first hand information, but I hope you will investigate these > happenings. I'm sure some AMA members were there, and will report to you > more details. Thank you, > > Michael J. Stenger Omaha, Ne. > AMA #404042 HSTA #5811 HRCA STOC #372 SOHC4 #316 > '93 ST1100 '73 CB350F '72 CL350K4 Mike, Thanks for your note and the articles you have sent. We've heard quite a bit about the police action in Fontana. This will be the lead story in the government section of American Motorcyclist next issue (December). All of the information you reported in your note did occur. The action was initiated by Graham County Sheriff Melvin Howell based on "internet intelligence" and reports from the North Carolina Bureau of Investigation that there were going to be 14, 000 outlaw bikers with "guns, knives and drugs" riding into Fontana to take over the rally. Talk about a knee-jerk reaction. All of the agencies (Graham Co., Swain Co., NC Hwy Patrol, TVA, US Forest Service) bought into this line of bull! I am preparing a letter to North Carolina's Attorney General, calling for an investigation of the law enforcement agencies and the actions they took. I know that the Governor's office and AG are already being inundated with similar letters from all of the BMW RA folks. You may want to send the Gov. a letter yourself. Thanks again for the information. Sean M. Maher AMA Government Relations smaher@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 17:53:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16688; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07710; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08665; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA24956 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA21621 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:52:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA17384 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:38:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycle Subject: Re: tailgating X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971007203822.AAA17384@localHost> Harry wrote:... > I agree and I confess. To that end, though, I'll throw in how a friend >and I who have ridden together for years get people out of the way. > This is best to do at night. We ride up behind them (not too close) in >our regulation staggered formation, then switch lane positions. Most >people believe a car is coming up behind them because of the lights, then >freak out when the lights cross each other. It has rarely failed. Just imagining this manuever made me laugh out loud. Gotta try it. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 19:36:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17932; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09488; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11713; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23507; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00685; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710072336.TAA00685@clark.net> To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tailgaters, etc. From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:52:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Tailgaters, etc. Am I the only one whos noticing a common theme here...the word "pickup"? Maybe they should administer some sort of psychological examination not for those purchasing guns but rather for potential pickup truck buyers, heh heh heh...certainly would've weeded out the guy with the tire iron...but thew story about the guy who threatened to hurt the guy's daughter is way fucked up. :-/ That's why you carry a gun. The police can't help you except to put the body bag on. There are a lot of sick fucked up people out there and I have no compasion for them when they pull stuff like this. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 19:40:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17969; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09511; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11790; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA25207; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA01721; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710072340.TAA01721@clark.net> To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's with all the bikers in Manassas today? Screw the promise keepers! Come to the DC-Cycles Summit on October 18th.. No hidden agendas! No comforting instructions on morality! The only specially crafted messages are to GET YER BUNS OUT THERE on the 18th! Women are ABSOLUTELY welcome (bring yer girlfriends too!) Hmmmmm... a not so hidden agenda I think. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 21:44:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18761; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10007; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13299; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as1s34.erols.com [207.172.151.225]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22424 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:29:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199710080129.VAA22424@smtp3.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Fw: New bike security product! Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:14:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although this group appears to specialize in DP and enduro items, I think this item would work well for street riders also. ---------- > From: Peter Johansson > To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New bike security product! > Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 5:52 PM > > Check it out! > > http://www.cycoactive.com/mc/bvd.html > > Peter Johansson > peter@XXXXXX -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 22:03:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18899; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10122; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13886; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as6s62.erols.com [207.172.153.62]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12071 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710080208.WAA12071@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: Unscribe Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:46:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To unsubscribe from dc-cycles, send a message NOT to the list itself but rather and ask to be unsubscribed. Garcia Oliver wrote: > Mr. Bill: nothing personal---your number just came up--- > but, really, what's the point? Yes, their requests to the > list to unsubscribe are a nuisance, but so are the resulting > flames. (To the tune of "The Lumberjack Song") "I'm a Denizen and I'm okay, I flame all night and I ride all day!" Stepping up on the soapbox, Normally, I wouldn't bother. However, this has been the prime topic of this group the last day or two. Quite a few people have posted ways to unsubscribe, by both email and web page. It has also been (correctly) written that sending unsubscribes to the entire list will *never* get them unsubscribed and do naught but generate said flames. But then MORE people STILL do the EXACT same thing! If they would just STOP! READ! THINK! they would be off the list by now. But can they do this? Noooo! > Flames won't get them off any faster. But maybe they'll STOP! READ! THINK! the next time around. Negative experiences are far more reinforcing than positive ones. Look at it as an educational opportunity. > Perhaps the same energy in the form of a quick "how-to" would > be more productive. Review the last couple day's worth of posts. You'll see that many people already have. Including me, and before the instructions at the head of this post. It's somebody else's turn at that particular lectern. As a sysadmin and listowner myself (no, NOT this one) I would be very frustrated by the bandwidth wasted by people who simply don't bother to pay attention, aren't concerned about how many people's mailboxes get spammed, how many useless messages get sent at the cost of how many wasted machine cycles, etc. How to unsubscribe was explained when they subscribed. It's the exact same process in reverse. If they can do it once they can do it again. But, no. They throw away their intro message. They can't be bothered. They don't care. This is the Internet. It isn't television. You need to take some RESPONSIBILITY for YOURSELF if you want to play out here. Case in point: Remember how the VERY FIRST thing I wrote in this post was how to unsubscribe? I can all but GUARANTEE you that, within 24 hours of this message being posted, somebody else will send an unsubscribe request to the list. Stupid is as stupid does... Stepping down from the soapbox, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 07:16:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23572; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16993; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21432; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as7s46.erols.com [207.172.153.109]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00942; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:40:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199710080040.UAA00942@smtp3.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: "Garcia Oliver" , Cc: Subject: Re: Unscribe Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:21:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To unsubscribe from dc-cycles, send a message NOT to the list itself but rather and ask to be unsubscribed. Garcia Oliver wrote: > Mr. Bill: nothing personal---your number just came up--- > but, really, what's the point? Yes, their requests to the > list to unsubscribe are a nuisance, but so are the resulting > flames. (To the tune of "The Lumberjack Song") "I'm a Denizen and I'm okay, I flame all night and I ride all day!" Stepping up on the soapbox, Normally, I wouldn't bother. However, this has been the prime topic of this group the last day or two. Quite a few people have posted ways to unsubscribe, by both email and web page. It has also been (correctly) written that sending unsubscribes to the entire list will *never* get them unsubscribed and do naught but generate said flames. But then MORE people STILL do the EXACT same thing! If they would just STOP! READ! THINK! they would be off the list by now. But can they do this? Noooo! > Flames won't get them off any faster. But maybe they'll STOP! READ! THINK! the next time around. Negative experiences are far more reinforcing than positive ones. Look at it as an educational opportunity. > Perhaps the same energy in the form of a quick "how-to" would > be more productive. Review the last couple day's worth of posts. You'll see that many people already have. Including me, and before the instructions at the head of this post. It's somebody else's turn at that particular lectern. As a sysadmin and listowner myself (no, NOT this one) I would be very frustrated by the bandwidth wasted by people who simply don't bother to pay attention, aren't concerned about how many people's mailboxes get spammed, how many useless messages get sent at the cost of how many wasted machine cycles, etc. How to unsubscribe was explained when they subscribed. It's the exact same process in reverse. If they can do it once they can do it again. But, no. They throw away their intro message. They can't be bothered. They don't care. This is the Internet. It isn't television. You need to take some RESPONSIBILITY for YOURSELF if you want to play out here. Case in point: Remember how the VERY FIRST thing I wrote in this post was how to unsubscribe? I can all but GUARANTEE you that, within 24 hours of this message being posted, somebody else will send an unsubscribe request to the list. Stupid is as stupid does... Stepping down from the soapbox, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 09:26:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24804; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17674; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23454; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 43b86af0; Wed, 8 Oct 97 09:12:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:25:48 -0400 Message-ID: <43b86af0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Tailgaters, etc. To: Dark Hacker , Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part _______________________________________________________________________________ That's why you carry a gun. The police can't help you except to put the body bag on. There are a lot of sick fucked up people out there and I have no compasion for them when they pull stuff like this. Calling the workplace is one way to complain, but there is another one. Businees vehicles also have an ICC number somewhere. If you complain to them IN WRITING, they have to adjudicate the complaint. I found this out one time when a tractor trailer almost whipsawed my car off the raod near Columbia. I called the ICC and was told to write a complaint. Idid, and a few weeks later received a written apology from the company (in Georgia) which included the demise of that driver's job with them. I also received some corraborating evidence from the ICC too. Apparently this driver had numerous complaints against him. BTW, verbal threats like the ones earlier described are for the police to resolve. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 09:47:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25149; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18517; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout38.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24104; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: N4789p@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout38.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA24447 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971008092618_1721254964@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Unsubscribe Hello, I don't really want to unsubscribe, in fact I'm not even a subscriber, but I didn't want Mr.Bill's prediction that within 24 hours someone would unsubscribe to the list at large to be wrong. And I hear that some people got Mr. Bill's anti-spamming rant twice. Way to go, Mr.Bill. Have a nice day. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 10:07:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25418; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19249; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sgi.sgi.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11856; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserv ([169.238.1.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA19051 for <@external-mail-relay.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:06:11 -0700 env-from (skip@XXXXXX) Received: from shadow.clubfed.sgi.com by mailserv via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/911001.SGI) for <@beyond.clubfed.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX> id KAA15818; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:06:10 -0400 Received: (from skip@localhost) by shadow.clubfed.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA12895 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:06:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:06:09 -0400 From: skip@XXXXXX (Skip Farmer) Message-Id: <9710081006.ZM12893@shadow.clubfed.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: N4789p@aol.com "New Unsubscribe" (Oct 8, 9:46am) References: <971008092618_1721254964@emout08.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Turn signal problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Could use some help: Have an '87 Suzuki GS 450 and the front left indicator went out. No problem (at first) figured it was the bulb. Changed it out, still no go. Began looking for a bad ground or loose wire but still cannot find anything. The only other symptom is that if I am stopped the back indicator comes on solid. If I am driving the back indicator flashes slowly. Any help would be appreciated, Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 10:57:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26063; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21325; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout27.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26170; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout27.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA01638; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971008102745_355298450@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: skip@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Turn signal problem In a message dated 97-10-08 10:16:14 EDT, you write: << Have an '87 Suzuki GS 450 and the front left indicator went out. No problem (at first) figured it was the bulb. Changed it out, still no go. Began looking for a bad ground or loose wire but still cannot find anything. The only other symptom is that if I am stopped the back indicator comes on solid. If I am driving the back indicator flashes slowly. >> Odd, normally one light on, one off always indicates interupted circuit. Flashing slowly could mean battery low, but maybe not in this instance. Swap the front signals and see what happens. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 11:05:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26226; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21416; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26472; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-218.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.218]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA12481; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <343BA0D5.59AFF0F7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:03:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Skip Farmer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Turn signal problem References: <971008092618_1721254964@emout08.mail.aol.com> <9710081006.ZM12893@shadow.clubfed.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Usually the non-flashing is because the flasher doesn't have enough load (it's ok leave it alone.) Check for corrosion in the base of the socket. Leon Skip Farmer wrote: > Could use some help: > > Have an '87 Suzuki GS 450 and the front left indicator went out. No problem (at > first) figured it was the bulb. Changed it out, still no go. Began looking for > a bad ground or loose wire but still cannot find anything. The only other > symptom is that if I am stopped the back indicator comes on solid. If I am > driving the back indicator flashes slowly. > > Any help would be appreciated, > > Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 13:15:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28246; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22851; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04023; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as28s50.erols.com [207.172.46.113]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14762 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971008131545.00bba098@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:15:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Turn Signal Problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hmmm, it must be a bad week for suzuki turn signals. Two nights ago mine went haywire. Front right: no flashing. Rear right: fast flashing. Ok bulbs burned out....nope still there. It has some corrosion which I'm cleaning today (checked it at work yesterday and didn't have anything to remove it with). Signal occasionally works, but usually not..... Finally after 4 years and 26k + miles, the dreaded Suzuki electrical problems are hitting Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 14:23:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29491; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23528; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06088; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05126; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:23:11 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCD3F5.D7D46340@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCD3F5.D7D46340@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Turn Signal Problem Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:24:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check the flasher unit with a multimeter. It could be the root of the problem -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 1:16 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Turn Signal Problem Hmmm, it must be a bad week for suzuki turn signals. Two nights ago mine went haywire. Front right: no flashing. Rear right: fast flashing. Ok bulbs burned out....nope still there. It has some corrosion which I'm cleaning today (checked it at work yesterday and didn't have anything to remove it with). Signal occasionally works, but usually not..... Finally after 4 years and 26k + miles, the dreaded Suzuki electrical problems are hitting Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 20:15:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05726; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00601; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19569; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as4s49.erols.com [207.172.152.176]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16807; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710090014.UAA16807@smtp2.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Cc: Subject: Re: New Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:32:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit N4789p@XXXXXX wibbles: > Hello, I don't really want to unsubscribe, in fact I'm > not even a subscriber, Hmm, somebody who's not a subscriber but who knows what's posted here, who happens to (also) have an AOL account... Hey, Squeakers! :-) > but I didn't want Mr.Bill's prediction that within 24 hours > someone would unsubscribe to the list at large to be wrong. Ah, just the sort of snappy rejoinder one would expect from an AOL'er. Thank you for living up to expectations. Actually, I wouldn't mind in the least if my prediction went unfulfilled. Maybe that'd mean that some folks on the list *actually* stopped, read and thought. In fact, I'd be much happier with that than being "proved right". > And I hear that some people got Mr. Bill's anti-spamming > rant twice. Right. The first one appeared to go into the great bit bucket under the server. Another post of mine an hour later appeared later but not so my "rant" so I reposted. In fact, the second one to be posted to the list was the first one I sent. I guess it went by way of Oz. Yeah, I messed up. Sorry for the double post, everybody. Hey, I'm usually the first to admit when I'm wrong. And how often have _you_ ever confessed publicly to being wrong or making a mistake, mystery subscriber N4789p@XXXXXX? Presuming, of course, that you ever are... > Way to go, Mr.Bill. In the words of Marv Albert: "Bite me!" > Have a nice day. Ditto. ;-) -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 21:04:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06185; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00851; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20386; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA04310 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971008210203_-469665462@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tailgaters, etc. In a message dated 97-10-07 11:05:24 EDT, you write: > Am I the only one whos noticing a common theme here...the word "pickup"? I haven't heard more tales told here about pickups than any other kind of vehicle, so I bet the answer is "yes." > Maybe they should administer some sort of psychological examination not for > those purchasing guns but rather for potential pickup truck buyers, heh heh > heh... I have a pickup and a motorcycle. I notice more obnoxious behavior from people behind the wheel of a Lexus, Camry, and most especially a BMW than from the average pickup driver. I wonder if it's an "I can afford it, so you have to get out of my way" mentality. Interestingly, in the last few years I've noticed that Volkswagens have joined the ranks of car makes that tend to have horrendous drivers. I think they shouild change their slogan to "Overagressive Assholes Wanted." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 21:07:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06237; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00894; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout31.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20462; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout31.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA03359 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971008210208_373981213@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) In a message dated 97-10-07 11:19:02 EDT, you write: > I think one of the reasons for the empty right lane on the beltway is > because of the on/off ramps...nothings more frustrating than dealing with > idiots just entering the beltway thinking they can just close their eyes, > gun it, and get in the flow of traffic without paying attention to other > drivers/riders. That's only half of them. They're complemented by the folks who pull into a big ol' merge lane and STOP. Because hey, it's much easier to merge into 60 mph traffic from a dead stop than by matching speeds and finding a space, right? (But then, I used to live in Boston, where stopping is always your LAST choice option.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 21:11:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06266; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00949; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout28.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20545; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:11:32 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout28.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA24195 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971008210206_2066151709@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tailgating In a message dated 97-10-07 12:41:48 EDT, you write: > The only time I don't move over is when its bumper to bumper and > can't get over. It's worth noting that for many drivers, this is the case 90% of the time they're on the road. Left lane for passing only is a nice idea, but when you're sitting in 4 lanes of Beltway traffic crawling at 5 mph, it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. On the other hand, "left lane for those not exiting soon" does. I'm amazed by how often people will just STOP in the left or middle lane because they've come to their exit and are in the wrong place. (Can you say, leaving the Dulles Toll Road for the Beltway? Maryland-bound traffic exiting the westbound GW Parkway?) In the year I've lived in this area, I've also been surprised by how noticably differently Marylanders and Virginians (on average) drive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 21:17:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06304; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00998; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20631; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA23500; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971008211515_-1831745422@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: List Invitation to a Poker Run / Motocross For all of you in the Baltimore - Washington area, allow me to extend an invitation to a scenic ride. AMA District 7 (MD-DE-DC) is sponsoring a Poker Run on Sunday October 19th. The starting point is the PARK & RIDE in Manchester, MD which is at the insection of MD-30 and MD-27. Sign-in between 10 AM and 11 AM and follow a route westerly in nature. The ride will end at an AMA-sanctioned Semi-Pro motocross where you can enjoy the remainder of the races that day. This event is open to ALL motorcyclists regardless of whether you belong to the AMA or not. Entry fees: AMA Driver $7.00 AMA Passenger $6.00 NON-AMA Driver $8.00 NON-AMA Passenger $7.00 Price includes Admission to races! (which normally would cost you $8.00 alone!) For further information, contact: Russell Fleming 410-374-9687 Eddie Phelps 410-781-7521 Jeff DeLauder 301-797-1607 Come on Listers! Let's get together for a fun day! (P.S. I'll be the guy in the referee's shirt) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 22:38:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06907; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01270; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22198; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as4s12.erols.com [207.172.152.139]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16227 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710090243.WAA16227@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: Left Lane Travel (Was:Tailgating) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:02:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think one of the reasons for the empty right lane on the beltway is > because of the on/off ramps...nothings more frustrating than dealing with > idiots just entering the beltway thinking they can just close their eyes, > gun it, and get in the flow of traffic without paying attention to other > drivers/riders. Yup, and the last time this thread came around on this list there were even some folks here who advocated staying out of the right lane for this reason. Unfortunately, this effectively reduces a four lane roadway to three lanes with an infinite merge lane. Cheers, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 23:23:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07191; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01477; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23057; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA21211; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:28:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:28:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Turn Signal Problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971008131545.00bba098@mail.geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Most of these problems are due to corrosion: either in the bulb socket or at the ground connection. Clean socket with wire tool made for this purpose (can rig substitute with steel wool); clean ground similarly. The fact that it flashes at all says that the problem is not with the flasher. --garcia On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Hmmm, it must be a bad week for suzuki turn signals. Two nights ago mine > went haywire. Front right: no flashing. Rear right: fast flashing. Ok > bulbs burned out....nope still there. It has some corrosion which I'm > cleaning today (checked it at work yesterday and didn't have anything to > remove it with). > Signal occasionally works, but usually not..... > > Finally after 4 years and 26k + miles, the dreaded Suzuki electrical > problems are hitting > Collin > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > (703) 816-7255 (pager) > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > ride.html (ride sheets) > bike.html (pics of the bikes) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 00:01:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07465; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03356; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23616; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s33.erols.com [207.172.110.33]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA10911; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710090407.AAA10911@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: denizen@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:03:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Unsubscribe Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Hmm, somebody who's not a subscriber but who knows > what's posted here, who happens to (also) have an AOL > account... Hey, Squeakers! :-) heh.. sorry Mr. Bill, but cha got this one wrong. I wont ever hide to try and flame. Im squeakersg@XXXXXX. Twasnt I. Though I DO understand why you think it was. :) Remember though. If I want to flame someone, Ill always let them know its ME. But I didnt wanna flame ya, and saw no reason to. Actually, I find it kinda insulting that you'd think I WOULD hide. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 06:38:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10547; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA13050; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access2.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA28074; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from king@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA29150 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob and Val King Message-Id: <199710091036.GAA29150@access2.digex.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unsubscribe messages Way back when this list was set up, the sub/unsub was handled by a message to the list itself, read by a human. Some folks that date from that period missed the announcement of the automated attendant. So you shouldn't jump to the conclusion that they are clueless. Maybe the clues changed! That said, I have finally gotten sick and tired of the low signal to noise ratio on this list and don't find it worthwhile to filter out the junk to get the few nuggets of gold. So, I'm out of here. Bob King 1984 R65 Fenris (mine) 1982 KZ440 Hulda (hers) 1997 Vice-President BMW Bikers of Metro. Washington EMail: king@XXXXXX Bowie, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 08:25:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11603; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13916; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29493; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04163; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710091231.IAA04163@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Bob and Val King Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:27:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Unsubscribe messages Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Way back when this list was set up, the sub/unsub was handled by a message > to the list itself, read by a human. Some folks that date from that period > missed the announcement of the automated attendant. So you shouldn't jump > to the conclusion that they are clueless. Maybe the clues changed! Problem with that thinking is that since the "way back", many many people have tried to unsubscribe in the main list, and have been ragged on for it. If the "way backers" actually READ any of the posts for ANY length of time, they'd ALL know this by now. Though the "clues" have changed, theres been ample notice about it. Ample. Lots. > > That said, I have finally gotten sick and tired of the low signal to noise > ratio on this list and don't find it worthwhile to filter out the junk > to get the few nuggets of gold. So, I'm out of here. Happy Trails! > > Bob King > Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 09:00:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12286; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14134; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00388; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA00104 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:00:11 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma029879; Thu, 9 Oct 97 08:59:49 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA05100 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876401831; Thu, 09 Oct 97 08:57:23 -0500 Message-Id: <9710098764.AA876401831@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 08:52:30 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Unsubscribe messages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers, you're incorrigible. And I've not seen an RSVP from you for the get-together, did I miss it, are are you going to skip out and make us all track you down so we can see the helmit?! brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Happy Trails! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 09:42:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13193; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14456; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01843; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA25593 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199710091342.AA25593@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 9:38:41 -0400 Subject: Re: New Unsubscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199710090407.AAA10911@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME waitaminnit..."squeakers" is your REAL name? -aki > Actually, I find it kinda insulting that > you'd think I WOULD hide. > > Squeakers > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:25:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14134; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14889; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03462; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 43cdfbd0; Thu, 9 Oct 97 09:44:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:40:44 -0400 Message-ID: <43cdfbd0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Terminology Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part When head protection was a huge survival factor in middle ages combat, there was some quite sophisticated terminolgy for all the bits and pieces of armor as well. One type was something that covered your whole head. Withe breathes (pronounced breethz) that allowed in air and stuff. Usually worn by knights, they were expensive and diificult to make, but offered the most protection in combat. That was a helm. Less expensive and more common was a smaller lighter and less protective version. It covered just your head, not your face or chin or neck. Not as protective, worn by sarjeants and and lower classes of soldiers. That was a helm-et. If you were even lower on the food chain, you wore some padding if you were lucky, or just a hat. That was considered crow bait. So REALLY a full face type hat (plastic or otherwise) is a helm, and anything less is a helmet, worn by wretched peasants, of course.:) So why did we stop calling the full face ones helms? Are there any professions (hard hat diving?) where the term persists? Well class? Dave David Choat, Visionary '96 Shoei X-9 Helm Email: dchoat@XXXXXX It doesn't take all kinds of people, we just have them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:35:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14555; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14981; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04041; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18066; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:35:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199710091435.KAA18066@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:37:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Unsubscribe Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 9:38:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: New Unsubscribe > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > waitaminnit..."squeakers" is your REAL name? > > -aki > > > Actually, I find it kinda insulting that > > you'd think I WOULD hide. > > > > Squeakers > Oh, haw! You know what I meant. I meant if it was ME that said something, then you'd always KNOW that it was me, cuz Ill tell ya. My NAME is Cheryl, but Im called Squeakers. I dont ever give out my full name anymore, cuz the ol'man gave orders. I had a few experiences with a few men on the internet that wanted a little more than *I* wanted, (totally unexpected to me) so the hubby said Im downright naive and too damn trusting and if I wanna be able to STAY on the internet... no name or address. Period. (he's really demanding at times) Point I was makin is that if Im gonna say something, then Ill DO it as me. Squeakers. Not as someone else. I really DID find that insulting, cuz I dont think I ever said anything to give anyone the impression that I dont want anyone to know that my words are mine. Seriously. With as much as I spout off all my opinions,(even though Im ALWAYS right) why would anyone think that Id all of a sudden hide behind another email address, and say something without even signing it as Squeakers?!?! That was just plain insulting. Squeakers Did I ever mention that my FULL handle is Squeakers the evil little troll? Squeakers for short. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:49:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14790; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15139; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04455; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA27403; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009104803_1620838370@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Terminology At last we get something related to motorcycles on dc-cycles. The term helm persists in nautical terminology and refers to the tiller or wheel that controls the rudder of a vessel. The helmsman then, is the person that is doing the steering. There must be some relationship here to the other meaning of the word although I admit that I can't quite see it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:53:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14882; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15179; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04601; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA28509 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:53:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199710091453.AA28509@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:53:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:53:03 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:53:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:45:18 -0400 Subject: Re: New Unsubscribe To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199710091435.KAA18066@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME I know exactly what you mean...too many wierdos out on da net anymore..not like the good ole days when the internet was just "good ole boys at the govmnt"...(ah to go back to THOSE days when an aol address was totally unknown)... What I hate more than just an anonymous address or posting with no names is someone who posts "something they think is really important (tm)" and THEN signs their post with a bbs handle (e.g. The Democrats are funneling illegal funds for campaigning!...signed "The Furry Booger"... sheesh... -aki > > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX > > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 9:38:41 -0400 > > Subject: Re: New Unsubscribe > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > waitaminnit..."squeakers" is your REAL name? > > > > -aki > > > > > Actually, I find it kinda insulting that > > > you'd think I WOULD hide. > > > > > > Squeakers > > > > Oh, haw! You know what I meant. I meant if it was ME that > said something, then you'd always KNOW that it was me, cuz > Ill tell ya. My NAME is Cheryl, but Im called Squeakers. I > dont ever give out my full name anymore, cuz the ol'man > gave orders. I had a few experiences with a few men > on the internet that wanted a little more than *I* wanted, > (totally unexpected to me) so the hubby said Im downright > naive and too damn trusting and if I wanna be able to STAY > on the internet... no name or address. Period. (he's really > demanding at times) > Point I was makin is that if Im gonna say something, then > Ill DO it as me. Squeakers. Not as someone else. I > really DID find that insulting, cuz I dont think I ever > said anything to give anyone the impression that I dont want > anyone to know that my words are mine. Seriously. With as > much as I spout off all my opinions,(even though Im ALWAYS > right) why would anyone think that Id all of a sudden hide > behind another email address, and say something without even > signing it as Squeakers?!?! That was just plain insulting. > > Squeakers > > Did I ever mention that my FULL handle is > Squeakers the evil little troll? Squeakers for short. > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 12:17:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16603; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16169; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07508; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05930; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:15:49 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCD4AD.34FF2B60@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:16:44 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCD4AD.34FF2B60@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "'MARKSOMM@XXXXXX'" , "Dave_Choat@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Terminology Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:16:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Helm is from the Old English "helma" (i.e. pre Norman), helmet is form = the Old French "helme'. No relationship what so ever. Actually we = should really keep stuff like this in Etymology-L :) FYI rwj -----Original Message----- From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 10:48 AM To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Terminology At last we get something related to motorcycles on dc-cycles. The term helm persists in nautical terminology and refers to the tiller = or wheel that controls the rudder of a vessel. The helmsman then, is the = person that is doing the steering. There must be some relationship here to the other meaning of the word although I admit that I can't quite see it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 14:07:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18192; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18914; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11328; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA04854 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:07:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199710091807.AA04854@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:07:10 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:07:10 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:07:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:03:55 -0400 Subject: RE: Terminology To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01BCD4AD.34FF2B60@johnston.citi.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Actually, referring to "Aki's Dictionary of 'd World" (revised edition), Helm comes from the old Norse term "Hella" which is derived from the old greek term (obtained during one of their raping and pillaging runs), "Hookie", which comes from the latin term "Baca", which means (loosely translated), "Kevin Bacon"... ...which just supports my theory that the entire universe, once again, revolves around Kevin Bacon... ;-) -aki > Helm is from the Old English "helma" (i.e. pre Norman), helmet is form the Old F > rench "helme'. No relationship what so ever. Actually we should really keep st > uff like this in Etymology-L :) > > FYI > > rwj > > -----Original Message----- > From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 10:48 AM > To: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Terminology > > At last we get something related to motorcycles on dc-cycles. > > The term helm persists in nautical terminology and refers to the tiller or > wheel that controls the rudder of a vessel. The helmsman then, is the person > that is doing the steering. There must be some relationship here to the > other meaning of the word although I admit that I can't quite see it. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 16:39:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20394; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24079; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15956; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 43d3c3c0; Thu, 9 Oct 97 16:19:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: <43d3c3c0@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Terminology To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, James_Agenbroad@XXXXXX (James Agenbroad) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part From Websters Third New International dictionary of the english language unabridged helmet [MF helmet, heaumet dim of helme, heaume helmet of Gmc origin, akin to OE & OHG helm helmed, ON jhalmr Goth hilms akin to OE helan to hide, conceal] Dave ================================================================================ Actually, referring to "Aki's Dictionary of 'd World" (revised edition), Helm comes from the old Norse term "Hella" which is derived from the old greek term (obtained during one of their raping and pillaging runs), "Hookie", which comes from the latin term "Baca", which means (loosely translated), "Kevin Bacon"... ...which just supports my theory that the entire universe, once again, revolves around Kevin Bacon... ;-) -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 17:10:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21138; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24388; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17343; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <4SMK3DZF>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:09:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Unsubscribe messages Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:09:51 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > ---------- > From: Bob and Val King[SMTP:king@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 6:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Unsubscribe messages > > Way back when this list was set up, the sub/unsub was handled by a > message > to the list itself, read by a human. Some folks that date from that > period > missed the announcement of the automated attendant. So you shouldn't > jump > to the conclusion that they are clueless. Maybe the clues changed! > > That said, I have finally gotten sick and tired of the low signal to > noise > ratio on this list and don't find it worthwhile to filter out the junk > > to get the few nuggets of gold. So, I'm out of here. > Bye Bob... and thanks for your longstanding contribution. We'll call you when we become MATURE! > Bob King > 1984 R65 Fenris (mine) > 1982 KZ440 Hulda (hers) > 1997 Vice-President BMW Bikers of Metro. Washington > EMail: king@XXXXXX > Bowie, MD > Amit CBR1000 (gee....I guess it's...mine) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 17:35:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21475; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24647; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17956; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA20882; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:30:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:30:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710092130.QAA20882@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Received: from tam-fl14-21.ix.netcom.com(206.214.117.117) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020844; Thu Oct 9 16:29:55 1997 From: viper655@XXXXXX (Dr.Robert A. Harms) Subject: VINTAGE BIKE EMERGENCY To: bmwmc@XXXXXX Cc: brit-iron-L@XXXXXX Cc: euro-moto@XXXXXX Cc: motoguzzi@XXXXXX Cc: euro-moto@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Viper655@XXXXXX Just ran into the following in one lot 1951 R35 Runs but jumps out of 3rd gear 1938 R23 complete but not running 1948 EMW Runs but its an EMW (and thats BAD) Odd Balls 1927 NSU 500cc 1936 NSU 250 complete 1936 NSU 250 parts bike for above 1938 Ardie missing parts 1936 Victoria 250 cc complete not running Included among this stuff are some WLA's and a 741 (Im not that altruistic to pass along). I expect to see these in the next 24-48 hours. What Im interested in: 1. Information on the BMW models and the German stuff 2. If anyone is interested in purchasing any of the above I have no idea of prices but will probably have to buy the whole lot and would be interested in quickly disposing of the surplus. There are also some goofy stuff like Wanderer mopeds , BMW parts and Steib 1930's chairs but I do not have any idea of quanitity. It is my understanding that all this stuff is from mother Russia which means that it is all beat beat beat. The money: have absolutely no idea. Beat up eastern bloc stuff needs to be cheap but I could use input on value. The materials are in Florida Thanks. Doc UK 54 Norton 16H Packistani military 57 Tula (Russian knock off of Vespa 250cc complete 1993 Dneiper no miles--These I know about and are real pieces of shit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 17:49:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21629; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24739; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18353; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QQdkol15201; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525652B.00784ED5 ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:54:05 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525652B.00763D10.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:48:45 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: Unsubscribe messages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=NhDA7p6Yu8yy2XTyqzFFcAB2QiX9wf80S9G1MTQUTdhdYtddTKmVw3Pm" --0__=NhDA7p6Yu8yy2XTyqzFFcAB2QiX9wf80S9G1MTQUTdhdYtddTKmVw3Pm Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guess ol' Bob wants to spend more time admiring his pre-war, colonial townhouse at the end of that high-$$ suburban cul-de-sac, petting his golden retriever (who has never actually retrieved anything but looks quite nice, and should because its a pedigree and only eats wet dog food) and washing his sport utility vehicle/Volvo station wagon before he picks up the clubs and heads to the country club where he and his other cronies, who all drive Harleys (but only on Saturday night, cruising the bars downtown for tourist chicks at the Hard Rock Cafe), will take in the back 9 before they all have to return home to meet their wives, who make the real cash for the family, and watch the kids, who have been going to private schools since age two just before they're off to their tennis lessons they've been taking since age 3, and then he finally has a few minutes to hit the garage and *pretend* to be riding his motorcycles, which are merely trophies left over from when he mowed down those motorcyclists on Wisconsin last year because he didn't check the blind spot first and DAMN, that dent the R65 put in the right rear quarter panel of the Volvo cost $1,000 to knock out at Don Byer, and he whips out the polishing cloth just as he hears his wife asking if he went food shopping while she was earning the bread and he replies "no", so off he goes in the Pathfinder, which has actually never seen offroad use but sure looks impressive at the country club functions, and plus he likes being all big and tall while driving because it's necessary when making up for other personal...uh...inadequacies...and so he returns with the milk, feeds the kids, who are dressed in their Polo jammies, and then gets to call it a day as he lays in bed thinking how cool it was when he told off those fun-loving kids on that immature DC-cycles list... Disclaimer: my brother's a yuppie so, given my jadedness, its easy for me to fall into a rant at times ;-) no offence meant... ObMOTO: Can't wait to head back to DC this weekend and pick up the bike...looks like Monday will be spent cruising the backroads between DC and NYC :-) Gawd, its a downer not having the bike to blow off stress after a frustrating day... enjoy y'all, -Doug 82 GS750L (Embedded image moved Amit Chatterjie at to file: AMS-Internet PIC14923.PCX) 10/09/97 05:20 PM To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: FW: Unsubscribe messages > ---------- > From: Bob and Val King[SMTP:king@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 6:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Unsubscribe messages > > Way back when this list was set up, the sub/unsub was handled by a > message > to the list itself, read by a human. Some folks that date from that > period > missed the announcement of the automated attendant. So you shouldn't > jump > to the conclusion that they are clueless. Maybe the clues changed! > > That said, I have finally gotten sick and tired of the low signal to > noise > ratio on this list and don't find it worthwhile to filter out the junk > > to get the few nuggets of gold. So, I'm out of here. > Bye Bob... and thanks for your longstanding contribution. We'll call you when we become MATURE! > Bob King > 1984 R65 Fenris (mine) > 1982 KZ440 Hulda (hers) > 1997 Vice-President BMW Bikers of Metro. 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I've noticed a general difference also, but can't quite quantify it. Too used to things as they are, I guess. As a (relative) outsider, can you put a finger on it for us? Cheers, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 08:38:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29357; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00220; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14979; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as3s01.erols.com [207.172.110.128]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00640; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710101232.IAA00640@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Amit Chatterjie Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:34:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FW: Unsubscribe messages Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > Bye Bob... and thanks for your longstanding contribution. We'll call you > when we become MATURE! > Amit! I have absolutely positively NO intention WHATSOEVER of EVER becoming mature!!! Think about how boring acting the part of "mature" is. Even the way "mature" people RIDE is boring. No thanks!!! Just gimme the keys to my bike and let me go play. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 09:58:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00414; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00878; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04734; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA25241 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971010095600_72129088@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Driving John20008 In a message dated 97-10-09 10:47:14 EDT, you write: << In the year I've lived in this area, I've also been surprised by how noticably differently Marylanders and Virginians (on average) drive. >> Do you mean Md'ers vs Va'ers, or just the fact that humans living within a 50 mile radius of a metropolitan area drive like too many crazed rats in a small box. We all know the key to safe, carefull driving is conscious respect and consideration for others. And this D.C. area will test and challenge our civilized humanity. Most people, will be driven mad at times and succumb to primal instincts. Only superior beings like myself can control those instincts. Now with that said, let me go teach my 90 hp power cruiser V4 who the master is with a right wrist tune-up! Rev limiter indeed! Take this red-line! Now lets teach the Mustang GT a lesson! Hahahahahahahahaha whoooooooeeeeeeeeeeee 120mph! Better back off, "Stangs got more top speed. Can't let him catch up. Hit brakes, he'll rocket past. Crap, miss that Gpz1100, Mustang never coulda passed me, it would do 155. At home reflecting; you're going to kill yourself riding like that! I dunno, wasn't happened in the 26 years I've been doin it. Of course, there was that time the___ ,and then when the police radar___ Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 11:43:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01747; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01865; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07590; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sturges.erols.com (spg-as62s59.erols.com [207.172.51.59]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00346; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:43:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971010113933.0068eb5c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:44:50 -0400 To: DC-Cycles List , EX500 List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Great Weekend at Summit Point Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had a fantastic weekend at Summit Point Oct 4&5. Details will eventually be available on the Team Charm web page, but in summary: My EX500 behaved perfectly, I won Sportsman, and took second in GT3 and second in Unlimited Twins. I also dropped my lap times down to a best of 1:25.3, surely a record for EX500s at Summit Point. Thanks to all who were there with cheer and kind words. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 13:42:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04098; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03559; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12374; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <4S9HT2XP>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:41:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: FW: Unsubscribe messages Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:41:15 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Oh, well then, I guess we won't call him after all. Amit CBR1000 > ---------- > From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Reply To: squeakers@XXXXXX > Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 4:34 AM > To: Amit Chatterjie > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: FW: Unsubscribe messages > > > > > Bye Bob... and thanks for your longstanding contribution. We'll call > you > > when we become MATURE! > > > > Amit! I have absolutely positively NO intention > WHATSOEVER of EVER becoming mature!!! Think about how > boring acting the part of "mature" is. Even the > way "mature" people RIDE is boring. No thanks!!! Just gimme > the keys to my bike and let me go play. > > Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 15:51:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07163; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06229; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gates.ejbell.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17613; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by GATES with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <41CFJGJT>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:49:01 -0400 Message-ID: <31794BF4BD72CF11BC3F0040C71114F825AE23@GATES> From: "Gilley, Lester" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Midnight Maddness at MIR Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:48:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Bergie, Rich, and I are heading out in just a bit (45 minutes) to MIR tonight. If anyone would like to meet us there, we'll be the ones on the ZX-11, RR, and YZF1K doing practice runs all night (at least until 10). I'll check for messages just before we actullay leave (probably around 4:20). - Lester From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 20:24:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10936; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09933; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24214; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.77.222]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9520 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:23:57 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: GSX-1100G owners? Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:21:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971011002356.AAA9520@default> Hey y'all-- Any GSX1100G owners still subscribed? Got a Corbin? My bro-in-law has a GSX and is considering a Corbin. Can he and my sister come sit on yours? There's a complicated situation here. Neither of them are happy with the seat, and thus the bike. However, they've inherited some money and he is going to get on the waiting list to get a Harley Dresser. So I have two goals: get them to get a Corbin and get my sister on the pillion of a Harley for a ride. I think she'll put her foot down then and we won't have to worry about a silly Harley. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 20:37:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11040; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10382; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24420; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 13x.com (ip-pool.m2-2.ham.ican.net [142.154.80.128]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03009 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343ECC1B.4DCE13D@13x.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:45:15 -0400 From: Stephen Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GSX-1100G owners? References: <19971011002356.AAA9520@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin: Your actions are noble. Please realize, however, that their sanity may be beyond saving. Your sis may actually like sitting on all that vibrating metal because it's got two people's names on the side of it. And there is no explaining to some guys that, in my (and perhaps your) opinion, a John Deere lawn tractor would be more fun than a Harley (And maybe more useful). Don't say I didn't warn you. The best laid scheme's o' mice and men... Stephen (perhaps begging for flames, but really just opining that for some people Harley's are the sheet, and nothing else will do) kevin thomas wrote: > Hey y'all-- > > Any GSX1100G owners still subscribed? Got a Corbin? My bro-in-law has a > GSX and is considering a Corbin. Can he and my sister come sit on yours? > There's a complicated situation here. Neither of them are happy with the > seat, and thus the bike. However, they've inherited some money and he is > going to get on the waiting list to get a Harley Dresser. So I have two > goals: get them to get a Corbin and get my sister on the pillion of a > Harley for a ride. I think she'll put her foot down then and we won't have > to worry about a silly Harley. Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 21:47:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11592; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11424; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25245; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA09020 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971010214525_-26021286@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Harley Dresser Frosty << In a message dated 97-10-10 20:42:08 EDT, you write: << (perhaps begging for flames, but really just opining that for some people Harley's are the sheet, and nothing else will do) >> Boy, the hard time I gave Harley owner's years ago. Used to look for them and pass them in their own lane on 4 cylindered superbikes. been, whatever. With age comes wisdom (not always true, I prefer to say comes experience). Even on my Sportster, got no waves from big twins. Talk about "alien nation". Harhar. What's my point? RIDE RIDE RIDE RIDE RIDE. Feel superior. we all are. **But**; it is fun to make fun of ____ everybody. Like George Thoroughogood(never spell it right) and the Delaware Destroyers sang " Now you funny too". We all funny. No flame. Jest spark plugs. Richard >> --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Harley Dresser Date: 97-10-10 21:42:28 EDT From: RDWOODJR To: Frosty@XXXXXX In a message dated 97-10-10 20:42:08 EDT, you write: << (perhaps begging for flames, but really just opining that for some people Harley's are the sheet, and nothing else will do) >> Boy, the hard time I gave Harley owner's years ago. Used to look for them and pass them in their own lane on 4 cylindered superbikes. been, whatever. With age comes wisdom (not always true, I prefer to say comes experience). Even on my Sportster, got no waves from big twins. Talk about "alien nation". Harhar. What's my point? RIDE RIDE RIDE RIDE RIDE. Feel superior. we all are. **But**; it is fun to make fun of ____ everybody. Like George Thoroughogood(never spell it right) and the Delaware Destroyers sang " Now you funny too". We all funny. No flame. Jest spark plugs. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 02:07:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA13609; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA13847; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28091; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as18s32.erols.com [207.172.36.95]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA27254 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971011020900.00bc54e4@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:09:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Anyone, Anyone,....Bueller Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy all, sorry this is so late at night, but I just got home from MIR....did ok for first time ever, but it was a blast. Anyhow, more on that later....The real purpose of this is to drag some of you out of bed tomorrow (today) John Koh and I are planning on a full day trip, hopefully getting a bit into West VA. If anyones intersted, call me by 7:30 (ssaturday)..... Also, since I'm batchin it this weekend, I may want to head out for a ride on Sunday. Jusst drop me a note or call, page, whatever.... Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 07:33:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14872; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15483; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00277; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA25225 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971011073304_815389289@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tailgating In a message dated 97-10-09 09:47:01 EDT, you write: > OK. I'll bite. Could you elaborate? Keep in mind that any > generalization, can be easily put down by finding just one counter > example. Oh, absolutely, and I don't pretend this is anything but a massive generalization. I just think it's one with a bit of truth. I lived in Boston for ten years. I was an experienced Boston driver. In Boston people are insanely aggressive; when they're not sure what to do they accelerate; and they have no respect for traffic laws. However, they by and large know the mechanics of operating their vehicles. In DC the level of aggression is far more reasonable. Unfortunately, the smarts of Boston drivers are lacking. IN the last year I've been repeatedly amazed by how many people here don't know what a merge lane is for, think they have to slam on their brakes to stop accelerating up a hill, or think that they can pass someone by moving into a lane where traffic is going even slower than the person they want to pass. It makes me wonder if lobotomies are part of the local driver ed. That said, I find driving here less stressful than in Boston. Now, the MD/VA thing... all local drivers seem to be a bit dimwitted and indecisive, but in the case of the Marylanders, this seems to be coupled with a rather higher level of pushiness. I call it passive aggressive driving: sluggish and impatient all at once. I rarely drive in Maryland (work in VA, live in DC) but when I am tailgated (in my truck or on my bike), more often than not it's a car with MD tags. Same goes for pretty much every other pushy asshole maneuver I witness. Since the vast majority of the miles I drive are in Virginia, I think this is weird. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 11:26:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15967; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15992; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01951; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08837; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BEGRIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20614; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710111526.LAA20614@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Gilley, Lester" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Midnight Maddness at MIR Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:27:16 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hell yeah that was awesome!!! Rich and I made it to trophy round only to be eliminated because both of us red-lighted, and I would have broke out my time anyway on that run, oh well it was a BLAST!! Here are my six time runs in order (left to right): R/T .578 .665 .826 .569 .554 .438* 60' 1.85 1.79 1.86 1.90 1.81 1.75 330' 4.77 4.70 4.79 4.81 4.72 4.63 1/8 7.13 7.06 7.16 7.15 7.08 6.98 MPH 104 103 103 105 104 104 1000' 9.17 9.12 9.22 9.18 9.12 9.03 1/4 10.92 10.89 10.98 10.95 10.86 10.79 MPH 127.6 127.0 127.0 121.3 128.4 127.3 Next time we'll have to get there a little earlier so we can get more runs in before eliminations. FYI the 4th/5th/6th runs were bracket races, the first three were practice. * Red Light (.500 is perfect reaction) Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 21:41:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22599; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19973; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11669; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA14909; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA25745; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710120140.VAA25745@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, denizen@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tailgating From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: tailgating Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:46:52 -0400 John20008@XXXXXX wrote: > In the year I've lived in this area, I've also been surprised by how > noticably differently Marylanders and Virginians (on average) drive. Was this comparison made by licence plate or by the state in which the vehicle was driven? Important considering how many of us commute across state lines each day. And if I decide to move from Virginia to Maryland will my driving habits suddenly improve/degrade after moving? - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 10:33:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26513; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25483; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17220; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA28155 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971012103249_-728165730@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tailgating In a message dated 97-10-11 21:47:14 EDT, you write: > Was this comparison made by licence plate or by the state in which the > vehicle was driven? Important considering how many of us commute across > state lines each day. And if I decide to move from Virginia to Maryland > will my driving habits suddenly improve/degrade after moving? By tags, not by location. My commute, for example, includes the Beltway from the toll road to the GW Parkway exit, which is in Virginia but tends to be mostly Marylanders heading for the Legion Bridge. And of course it's a generalization; just like statements about Boston drivers or NYC drivers are. There are plenty of good Maryland drivers and hopelessly, cluelessly aggressive drivers in Virginia. These are just trends I notice, not rules. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 11:42:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26876; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25957; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17935; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:42:01 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA07126 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971012114125_2066610284@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wacky driving In a message dated 97-10-11 21:47:14 EDT, you write: << John20008@XXXXXX wrote: > In the year I've lived in this area, I've also been surprised by how > noticably differently Marylanders and Virginians (on average) drive. Was this comparison made by licence plate or by the state in which the vehicle was driven? Important considering how many of us commute across state lines each day. And if I decide to move from Virginia to Maryland will my driving habits suddenly improve/degrade after moving? - Hacker >> Good point. But to what end? Only observations. There's an observation based on experience and fact: In my 312,000+ miles of commuting from Southern Maryland to Northern Virginia, 30% in Md and the rest in Va, nearly every day I paced (on two wheels) (oops, motorcycle, not stunt driving in cage) a Va tagged cage traveling 100+ mph on 495. Every now and then, I was forced to go somewhere in Md on 495 towords Montgomery county. No 100 mph, but tons of other scary stuff. Listen to morning traffic reports; more over-turned autos in Md. on the highway. No need to compare states, besides, I didn't grow up out of the ground in this one. Stopped commuting on bike a while back, used to tell the wife in the morning "Hope I don't need to over-turn my 4,000 pound truck while commuting today!" Re: Switching states to change driving habits: 1984, after being run down shoulder on one commute and angrily chasing offending cage while Va State Police only observe me and write me up for RECKLESS DRIVING; after court fine of $70, I find no record on my licence later (i gotta lotta police buddies in Md to check), so no worries. Maybe not the norm, or got lucky. Tell ya what though; I felt tike Teflon Man man for a while. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 11:47:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26944; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25976; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18020; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA12814; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971012114651_422661229@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: bergie@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Midnight Maddness at MIR In a message dated 97-10-11 11:40:55 EDT, you write: << Here are my six time runs in order (left to right): R/T .578 .665 .826 .569 .554 .438* 60' 1.85 1.79 1.86 1.90 1.81 1.75 330' 4.77 4.70 4.79 4.81 4.72 4.63 1/8 7.13 7.06 7.16 7.15 7.08 6.98 MPH 104 103 103 105 104 104 1000' 9.17 9.12 9.22 9.18 9.12 9.03 1/4 10.92 10.89 10.98 10.95 10.86 10.79 MPH 127.6 127.0 127.0 121.3 128.4 127.3 >> VERY GOOD! you been taking lessons from Dale Walker, or is Pee Wee Gleason back in town? Ya got a steady hand, mate! Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 08:15:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07896; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07741; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03966; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA09075 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:15:07 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma009027; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:14:45 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA15763 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876744197; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:12:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9710138767.AA876744197@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:00:43 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: MMmmmmm.. Ferrari.. RED! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and black.. even a blue one. Yikes, a screaming yellow vette, a handfull of Fiats and Alfas as well.. Overall, a beautiful showing of vehicles at the Ferrari Club of America track days this past weekend. I've got to say that the 98 Ferrari 355 (don't know the rest) is one hot and fast machine.. especialy with a trained driver in the seat. This isn't to say that the older 308s and stuff are slouches, or not as nice.. It's funny looking at the Ferraris next to say, a Miata.. they're both just cars really. But you go look at the interior... and the ferrari is just supereb - leath and wood.. in a very stylish finish. the others.. well, what we've come to expect, black plastic and cloth. You look undet the hood (trunk?) at the engines, and the same attention to detail is present. You can actually see the Ferrari engine (damn, the Testerosa has a 12!!) and everything is very tidy. Look at the others.. and they are a mess of wiring and electronics. Start them up and listen.. there's nothing to compair. Get on the track.. and the ferraris feel SLOW.. doing the same speed as everyone else.. but you aren't tossed from side to side in the corners like the BMWs, Fiats, etc.. Now if only I can convince all of you to donate about $5K to my cause.. I might be able to buy one... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 13:58:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12757; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12847; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13428; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA12150 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:56:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA23145 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:56:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA31237 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:56:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971013175613.AAA31237@localHost> The DC-Cycles List Gathering scheduled for this Saturday, October 18 is still a go! This is the last message you'll receive about this get together so don't put off your RSVP (see below). If you received this message via the DC-Cycles listserver, you are invited to join us this Saturday at 4pm - ? to meet, mingle, bench race and kick tires. Here is a list of who will be attending so far...... _________________________________________________________________________ Ted (Roberts?) - robertst@XXXXXX *Jeannette O'Brian - jlobrien@XXXXXX - (Birthday Girl!) Gil Nissley - gnissley@XXXXXX Sean Sullivin +1 - sean@XXXXXX Richard Westbrook - richwest@XXXXXX - soda (any) and no dish Jim Furlong - jfurlong@XXXXXX - water, no dish David ? - SackcoD@XXXXXX - Diet anything - no dish George Howell - ghowell@XXXXXX (plus GF) - Dr. Pepper/Sprite - no dish Brian McCoy - bmccoy@XXXXXX - beer and pizza Mike Jordan - mike@XXXXXX can bring dish. *Kevin Thomas - klthomas@XXXXXX - (Birthday Boy) Vegetarian Kirk Roy - ROYK@XXXXXX - dish uncertain Dale and Wife - dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX - LASAGNA!!! No RSVP, but assume you'll make it......... Linda Tanner - linda.tanner@XXXXXX Glenn Dysert - Dysart@XXXXXX Steve Beck - sbeck@XXXXXX Dave Choat (and SO) - Dave_Choat@XXXXXX Collin Fagen (and Wife) - cfagan@XXXXXX Todd Peer - todd.b.peer@XXXXXX 22 - people __________________________________________________________________ What?! You're not listed here? Brian McCoy is keeping a list of those that will attend, and will forward the address of the event to you directly. So, please RSVP to Brian McCoy via email - (bmccoy@XXXXXX). Note: Brian has set up an automated response to your rsvp, so make sure the subject of your mail is DC-Summit. Since there hasn't been a big volunteering to bring a dish, we'll go ahead and get some pizza. If you still would like to volunteer a dish, great (Dale, are you listening?). Write back to me if you need to drop off early (can't ride with dish) and we will arrange a time. "What if it rains?" Don't even think about it! But if it does, the show still goes on. I'll leave it up to you if you want to ride over in the rain though :-) Well, that's all. Hope to see you there! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 14:20:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13127; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13181; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14225; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cf-62-laptop (Pool-207-205-203-134.kop.grid.net [207.205.203.134]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20822 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971013141951.007a9320@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:19:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: D.C. Driver's test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A friend of mine moved from NY to DC and had to take the D.C. written drivers' test. Apparantly there were two motorcycle questions, one of which flies in the face of the MSF. Question (paraphrased): Where is the safest part of the lane to ride when following another vehicle. Answer: The center third. Any thoughts out there? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 -still stolen :-( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 14:33:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13355; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13553; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14547; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA28502 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:33:22 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma028418; Mon, 13 Oct 97 14:32:53 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA25231 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876767421; Mon, 13 Oct 97 14:30:23 -0500 Message-Id: <9710138767.AA876767421@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 14:28:15 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To any.al who were planning on bringing something food or drink wise, if you live between College Park, MD and Todds' houseon the western side of the beltway, and you'd like myself to carry something.. I have no problems with that.. just let me know by Friday afternoon so we can make arrangements. This opportunity only possible because of the death of my bike.., take advantage while you can.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 15:03:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13718; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14546; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15446; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27677 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:03:04 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:03:04 -0700 Message-Id: X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: D.C. Driver's test Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:02:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT, 39 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 >Question (paraphrased): Where is the safest part of the lane to ride when >following another vehicle. > >Answer: The center third. I basically agree - keep in the cager's mirror - not a guarantee, but better than hiding in his blind spot begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B@3`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F `0`A````-C4W-48U M,4%#-#0S1#$Q,3DQ1C0P,# P1C8S0D-"1#8`#0`' ``0```!<```!2 M13H@1"Y#+B!$( G"("T@>FL)X' 8L .@&/(F\&?U!) G!"!M), #8 7 )[!C'D$>("!G M=1>!)%%EZBPFH'4%0&(0@"1D`Y']'M!D'?(H(1[0!" 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi everyone, It's been a year or so since I left the list ( changed employers, email, lost my list of lists, etc ), so I don't know who's still here and who isn't. For those that were here then, I rode an '87 Rebel 450, with VA plates CANDY8. I still have the plates, but I have a new ride now. I finally graduated and got a '95 Virago 750. If any of you remember, my Rebel was making a terrible humming noise whenever I used the front brakes. Though we thought we had it licked a few times, we never did figure it out. So I sold it in May, and got the new one. She's really sweet, and has only tried to 'bite' a couple of times. I'm still taking it easy because she's so much bigger and heavier than the Rebel, so once I'm feeling my oats, I suspect she'll bite me in the butt a few more times. I just got the 'last' message today, about the meeting this weekend, but I already have plans on Saturday. And on Sunday I have the PARR Fall Foliage Poker Run (Mr. Bill - you still around?). So maybe next time! Caron Rose '95 Virago 750 (VA CANDY8) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 15:09:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13847; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15156; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15666; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16478; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BEGRIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23484; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:09:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199710131909.PAA23484@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Todd B Peer" Cc: "DC Cycles" , Subject: DC-Summit Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:10:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Here is a list of who will be attending so far...... > So, please RSVP to Brian McCoy via email - (bmccoy@XXXXXX). I'll be coming, and probably bringing my wife Cheryl too. So count me in, but I need directions please, and do I need to bring anything specific (other than my bike and a couple videos)? Bergie Frazier Jr. Cheryl Frazier Berg/ZX11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 15:12:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13900; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15369; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15747; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA15801 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA20835 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA20173 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:10:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D.C. Driver's test X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971013191058.AAA20173@localHost> >A friend of mine moved from NY to DC and had to take the D.C. written >drivers' test. Apparantly there were two motorcycle questions, one of >which flies in the face of the MSF. > >Question (paraphrased): Where is the safest part of the lane to ride when >following another vehicle. > >Answer: The center third. > > Any thoughts out there? I think the VA test says the same thing. At least it did when I took the test...oohhh so many years ago. The logic seems to be that the driver you're following can see you better in their rearview. My personal preference is as such: Two lane road (one lane each way) - ride in the center unless I intend to pass, then I move to the left third and watch for opening. Two or more lane road (multiple lanes either way and no median) - tend to stay in second to leftmost lane riding in the left third. Re: Driver in front will see me in rearview and I am set to overtake all the time. - stay out of left most lane for reason of oncoming traffic in both straights and intersections. Two or more lane road (multiple lanes either way w/median) - tend to ride in far left lane in light or moving traffic. This philosophy has been under some revision lately to be more like the one above due to some recent unwanted notoriety given me by Mr. Officer Sir. - except in heavy traffic; alternate between two fastest lanes hanging off the left/right bumper closer to the dividing lines. I find this style allows me more options when traffic suddenly stops in front of me. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 15:34:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14363; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15804; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16430; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA25791 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971013153108_2066818465@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D.C. Driver's test ;Todd: In a message dated 97-10-13 15:16:27 EDT, you write: << >A friend of mine moved from NY to DC and had to take the D.C. written >drivers' test. Apparantly there were two motorcycle questions, one of >which flies in the face of the MSF. > >Question (paraphrased): Where is the safest part of the lane to ride when >following another vehicle. > >Answer: The center third. > > Any thoughts out there? I think the VA test says the same thing. At least it did when I took the test...oohhh so many years ago. >> I took the motorcycle test before the gasoline engine; had to ride a bicycle around in a dirt field. The written part was a breeze though, before language was common, we only had to grunt. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 16:00:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14803; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16087; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17223; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA32417; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.78.60]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4447; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:59:47 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Bergie Frazier Jr" , "Todd B Peer" Cc: "DC Cycles" , Subject: Re: party and videos, etc Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:57:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971013195945.AAA4447@default> Hey, that's an idea. Should others bring some videos for background noise? I have Isle of Man and Daytona 96. I'll be making a cake, of course. Todd, do you have a fire extinguisher? 30 candles for each of us birthday folks.... I hope I can get them all lit before the first ones burn all the way down... I'll try to make something food-wise as well, but I don't know. Maybe pizza will be enough. Maybe some dip or something. Leftovers from my Nephew's b-day yesterday? Caron, we may be going on that poker run, I think. Todd, what's up with the Sunday ride plans? See ya soon Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 16:14:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14961; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16347; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17591; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.78.60]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA11606 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:13:18 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: party (2) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:11:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971013201317.AAA11606@default> Hey, y'all-- There's 150 of you out there. Are you telling me that only 20 of you (plus Todd, but I know he wouldn't miss it) are coming to help me and Jeannette celebrate the beginning of our 4th decades? You're letting us down! I thought we had a community here! I know my feelings are hurt. And besides, we'll all sit around and talk about motorcycles. Isn't that better than typing about them? And if you don't like me and Jeannette, well, it's not really _our_ party, so come anyway! Please? This is mostly in jest, but I do wish a bunch more of you will come. Bob? Squeakers? Colleen? Harry? Anybody? Bueller? Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 16:36:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15284; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16743; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18364; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16388; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA12827 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA12688 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB31542 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:34:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: party and videos, etc X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971013203450.AAB31542@localHost> >Hey, that's an idea. Should others bring some videos for background noise? > I have Isle of Man and Daytona 96. Bring 'em. I think I've seen the Isle of Man. They used to run it down at the old 15 minute club occasionally. >I'll be making a cake, of course. Todd, do you have a fire extinguisher? >30 candles for each of us birthday folks.... I hope I can get them all lit >before the first ones burn all the way down... I'll try to make something >food-wise as well, but I don't know. Maybe pizza will be enough. Maybe >some dip or something. Leftovers from my Nephew's b-day yesterday? MMmm..leftovers (said like Homer Simpson). >Caron, we may be going on that poker run, I think. Todd, what's up with >the Sunday ride plans? It's a toss up now. I'm leaning towards heading up to the White Rose MC Club on Sunday. They're hosting some Observed Trials and I've never seen that before. Besides, it's a nice ride up for some fall foliage. See ya Saturday, Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 17:16:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15973; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17931; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19642; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from notes.sbd.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02716; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 8525652F.0074F938 ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:17:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: klthomas@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525652F.0074B7FB.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:19:40 -0400 Subject: Re: party and videos, etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Caron, we may be going on that poker run, I think. >Todd, what's up with the Sunday ride plans? I also belong to a 'Short' rider list, and I'm trying to get some of them to meet and then ride together. The more the merrier! If there's a group that wants to go, we can meet around 8:30 and head out. I would like to be finished with registration by 9:30 or 10:00 so that we don't have to fly through the course. This one is too pretty to be racing through the countryside. Besides, I'm still getting used to the new bike ( I haven't been able to ride it as much as I would have liked). I'm fine on the roads, but I'm still skittish in the parking lots. One of the bonus' is that this tank can go to 120 before I hit reserve, unlike the Rebel, which was about 90. Caron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 17:20:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16041; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17952; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minet.marriott.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19777; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mih.marriott.com by minet.marriott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13882; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:18:11 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mih.marriott.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA876777903; Mon, 13 Oct 97 17:25:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9710138767.AA876777903@mih.marriott.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 17:15:54 -0500 From: "Mehran Firouz" To: , Subject: Re: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Count my wife and I in. Mehran Firouz , mehran@XXXXXX ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! Author: "Todd B Peer" at internet Date: 10/13/97 1:00 PM The DC-Cycles List Gathering scheduled for this Saturday, October 18 is still a go! This is the last message you'll receive about this get together so don't put off your RSVP (see below). If you received this message via the DC-Cycles listserver, you are invited to join us this Saturday at 4pm - ? to meet, mingle, bench race and kick tires. Here is a list of who will be attending so far...... _________________________________________________________________________ Ted (Roberts?) - robertst@XXXXXX *Jeannette O'Brian - jlobrien@XXXXXX - (Birthday Girl!) Gil Nissley - gnissley@XXXXXX Sean Sullivin +1 - sean@XXXXXX Richard Westbrook - richwest@XXXXXX - soda (any) and no dish Jim Furlong - jfurlong@XXXXXX - water, no dish David ? - SackcoD@XXXXXX - Diet anything - no dish George Howell - ghowell@XXXXXX (plus GF) - Dr. Pepper/Sprite - no dish Brian McCoy - bmccoy@XXXXXX - beer and pizza Mike Jordan - mike@XXXXXX can bring dish. *Kevin Thomas - klthomas@XXXXXX - (Birthday Boy) Vegetarian Kirk Roy - ROYK@XXXXXX - dish uncertain Dale and Wife - dale.r.horstman@XXXXXX - LASAGNA!!! No RSVP, but assume you'll make it......... Linda Tanner - linda.tanner@XXXXXX Glenn Dysert - Dysart@XXXXXX Steve Beck - sbeck@XXXXXX Dave Choat (and SO) - Dave_Choat@XXXXXX Collin Fagen (and Wife) - cfagan@XXXXXX Todd Peer - todd.b.peer@XXXXXX 22 - people __________________________________________________________________ What?! You're not listed here? Brian McCoy is keeping a list of those that will attend, and will forward the address of the event to you directly. So, please RSVP to Brian McCoy via email - (bmccoy@XXXXXX). Note: Brian has set up an automated response to your rsvp, so make sure the subject of your mail is DC-Summit. Since there hasn't been a big volunteering to bring a dish, we'll go ahead and get some pizza. If you still would like to volunteer a dish, great (Dale, are you listening?). Write back to me if you need to drop off early (can't ride with dish) and we will arrange a time. "What if it rains?" Don't even think about it! But if it does, the show still goes on. I'll leave it up to you if you want to ride over in the rain though :-) Well, that's all. Hope to see you there! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 17:51:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16439; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18257; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20478; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as3s33.erols.com [207.172.110.160]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07631; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710132158.RAA07631@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: klthomas@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:52:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: party (2) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Bob? Squeakers? Colleen? Harry? Anybody? Bueller? > > Later > Kevin > > My problem is that its October. October and November are totally out for me. October is bow season, and the hubby ALWAYS goes out. Rain, shine, heat, cold..he can even have bronchitis and he'd still go out. (he's done that) No way would he let me go alone, either. So.. Im hopin that ya'll get along SOOO great that you decide to do it AGAIN either close to christmas or in the spring, so *I* can go, too. Squeakers-henpecked by my henpecked huntin ol'man This weekend he's goin after a bear he saw last weekend. Well, that and deer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 19:41:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17609; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21534; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22856; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cf-62-laptop (Pool-207-205-203-115.kop.grid.net [207.205.203.115]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14673; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971013194052.007a28a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:40:52 -0400 To: squeakers@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: party (2) Cc: klthomas@XXXXXX, In-Reply-To: <199710132158.RAA07631@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> Bob? Squeakers? Colleen? Harry? Anybody? Bueller? >> I have a date with a 2 1/2 year-old (see http://www.greenspun.com/benjamin). Sorry I can't make it unless, of course, I can rig a sidecar by the weekend. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (Abducted) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 20:59:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18218; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21969; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24141; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:59:01 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA22840 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971013205552_879470303@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D.C. Driver's test Am I the only one who wonders what mike@XXXXXX is trying to tell us? Every time he sends something to the list, I get nothing but an unreadable file called winmail.dat. Is this just me? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 21:34:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18698; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22315; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24715; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kpmlptp.hq.fema.gov (spg-as23s60.erols.com [207.172.37.187]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28831 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710140141.VAA28831@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Patric.Mahoney@XXXXXX To: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:39:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: party (2) Reply-to: Bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19971013201317.AAA11606@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Hey, y'all-- > This is mostly in jest, but I do wish a bunch more of you will come. > > Bob? Squeakers? Colleen? Harry? Anybody? Bueller? Sorry I would love to attend but you picked the same weekend as a Boy Scout Camp out Maybe you would like to tell an eleven year old Sorry kid going to a better party!! Have fun Bones From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 22:25:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19262; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23305; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25717; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA10141; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:25:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA12673; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710140225.WAA12673@clark.net> To: John20008@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tailgating From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 10:36:52 1997 From: John20008@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:32:50 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tailgating And of course it's a generalization; just like statements about Boston drivers or NYC drivers are. There are plenty of good Maryland drivers and hopelessly, cluelessly aggressive drivers in Virginia. These are just trends I notice, not rules. Yeah except Boston drivers really *are* that bad... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 22:39:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19383; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23377; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25996; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA13918; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA19289; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710140239.WAA19289@clark.net> To: ETodd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mehran.firouzbakht@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! As much as I *really* want to attend I'm already slated to visit mum at her place for her 70th birthday so I have to bow out. Hope there'll be a next time however! - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 23:08:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19630; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23515; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26384; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA20827; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:07:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA05944; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710140307.XAA05944@clark.net> To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: Harley Dresser Speaking of Harley's, I was at the Annapolis in the water boat show this past weekend and spied (with my little eye) two absolutely amazing choppers. One was all chrome and metal flake red with forks longer than my entire bike and this *teeny tiny* little gas tank. I couldn't believe how small that tank was. It couldn't have held more than 2 gallons. Wondering about Mr. Harley Rider's milage, I pointed between his legs as he passed and yelled "HEY IT'S SO SMALL!" I guess he didn't have time to stop and chat though 'cause he just rode past, but in a touching display of biker commradery he did gesture with his finger to show that he thought I was number one! Gotta love them Harley riders. God's 1%. Seriously. I'm sure chopping the bikes renders bikes like this almost unridable, but what great show and tell toys! - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 00:24:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20730; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24310; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27613; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA27338 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971014002201_-560615653@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: John20008@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D.C. Driver's test In a message dated 97-10-13 21:04:40 EDT, John20008@XXXXXX writes: > Am I the only one who wonders what mike@XXXXXX is trying to tell us? Every > time he sends something to the list, I get nothing but an unreadable file > called winmail.dat. Is this just me? > Same here. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 00:34:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20797; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24351; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27729; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.77.186]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA7666; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:33:48 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , Subject: Re: winmail.dat Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:31:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971014043346.AAA7666@default> John- I think it's just you. Really, tho, I get winmail.dat from somebody, but I don't think it's Michael. I do get the intended mail from whomever that person is as well. The winmail.dat is an extra file that's attached. I think it's a setup thing with your email program, but that is the extent of my technical knowledge on that subject. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 00:54:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20864; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25055; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27946; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.138] (unverified [205.177.250.138]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Lister on the PA Turnpike? Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 00:53:10 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Was on the PA turnpike heading to both Cleveland and Buffalo (exciting, yeah.) and saw somebody at a rest stop on a VFR750 from Va. heading to Butler PA. Talked for a minute or two. Anyway, I was driving the white Miata. Just wondering if I ran into someone on the list. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 00:54:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20870; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25054; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27944; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.138] (unverified [205.177.250.138]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 00:53:07 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd B Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Note: Brian has set up an automated response to your rsvp, > so make sure the subject of your mail is DC-Summit. Was there anything in the auto response? (Directions, perhaps?? :) I don't seem to have received one. -George georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 01:13:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21019; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25266; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28144; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from digex.net (pix000169.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.181]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA28216 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:12:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3442FF34.39E5AEEE@digex.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:13:21 -0400 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX Organization: DIGEX; Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: winmail.dat & bikes References: <19971014043346.AAA7666@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kevin thomas wrote: > ...The winmail.dat is an extra file that's attached. I think it's a > setup thing with your email program, It's a MicroSloth thing: http://www.castlegate.net/personals/kdavis/chap5.html "5.2.2 Stopping WINMAIL.DAT from being attached to your email messages Exchange supports Rich Text Formatting in its email messages. The problem is that Internet email does not. If using Microsoft networking, the WINMAIL.DAT file is transparent and allows the email retain the RTF formatting. Since Internet mail does not support RTF, the WINMAIL.DAT file shows up as an attachment to the email message. To eliminate this file showing up as an attachment: Open the Mail and Fax applet in Control Panel. Click on the Services tab, and select Internet Mail from the list. Click on Properties, and then Message Format. Uncheck the Use MIME when sending messages option. Click OK twice. In addition to this, complete the following steps: Open your Exchange Address Book. Double-click on a name in your Address Book. Uncheck the Always send to this recipient in Microsoft rich-text format option. Repeat steps 2 and 3 for each name in your address book. If all of the names aren't set-up this way, all messages you send will still get the attachment." ObMoto: Has anybody here heard of or have experience with a stainless Muzzy exhaust system? Specifically for the Kz750-type engine? A mechanic at CycleSports in Springfield recommended one to me, but I didn't even know Muzzy made them in stainless. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 02:27:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA21580; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA26250; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29070; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA19098; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:33:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D.C. Driver's test In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971013141951.007a9320@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, right. The center of the lane is where most oil and antifreeze drippings, as well as some solid debris, collect. (The edges of a road are worse for debris.) There is also a "crown" (high point) in the center of each lane, not good for handling. As a result, I usually ride in the left third of a lane---prepared to move to the right third if oncoming traffic warrants. Besides, who would you rather believe: the highly competent D.C. government...or me? --garcia On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > A friend of mine moved from NY to DC and had to take the D.C. written > drivers' test. Apparantly there were two motorcycle questions, one of > which flies in the face of the MSF. > > Question (paraphrased): Where is the safest part of the lane to ride when > following another vehicle. > > Answer: The center third. > > Any thoughts out there? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 -still stolen :-( > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 07:58:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23589; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00316; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02339; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id HAA27602 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:58:17 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma027568; Tue, 14 Oct 97 07:58:02 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id HAA10138; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876830125; Tue, 14 Oct 97 07:55:27 -0500 Message-Id: <9710148768.AA876830125@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 07:52:49 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Cc: Subject: Re[2]: D.C. Driver's test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, seeing as I just took the test in MD about 6 months ago, and it was the 3rd! time I took it (why don't states let ME transfer my MC permit?) - the question usualy reads something to the effect of 'when approacing a corner, which lane is the best: inside (right third), middle, or outside (left third).' And they have the answer as the middle because it gives you an equal blend of being able to see arround the corner yet have lots of space to run off. Ok, for the people out there that go slightly over the speed limit when riding twisties, it should be painfully obvious that you approach from the outside so you can apex the corner nicely and power on out. it gives you the most view, allows you to brake at a later time so you can see further into the corner for cars, dirt, haybails (personal experience), whatever. Of course this is just personal opinion.. oh, and that of most motorcycle mag. editors, racers, very experienced motorcyclists.... brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 07:59:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23599; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00322; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02356; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15443 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:59:49 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:59:49 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: winmail.dat test Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:59:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT Hey guys, this is bugging me at least as much as it's bugging you. I followed the routine that W3 advocated and this is a test to see if the dreaded WINMAIL.DAT file rears its ugly head. FWIW - the text of the message is there (I receive my own posts to the list back) - but if it's a short message, sometimes it gets lost amongst the headers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 08:14:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23716; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00596; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02616; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s14.erols.com [207.172.110.77]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA01586; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710141214.IAA01586@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: ETodd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mehran.firouzbakht@XXXXXX, Dark Hacker Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:16:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > As much as I *really* want to attend I'm already slated to visit > mum at her place for her 70th birthday so I have to bow out. Hope > there'll be a next time however! > > - Hacker > > I think that for all of us that just cant "do" fall stuff, there should be a SPRING one!!!!! Like a "Hey! Its SPRING! Lets all be ALIVE again!!" kinda thing. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 08:40:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23974; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01339; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02990; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA01581 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:40:17 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma001533; Tue, 14 Oct 97 08:39:56 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA10831 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA876832643; Tue, 14 Oct 97 08:37:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9710148768.AA876832643@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 08:35:47 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you saying you don't live durring the winter? I sure do (only realized durring those brisk rides to work (when the bike's running)). It's kinda fun looking for the sandy spots 'cause that's where the most traction is - makes ya a smooooth rider. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > I think that for all of us that just cant "do" fall stuff, there should be a SPRING one!!!!! Like a "Hey! Its SPRING! Lets all be ALIVE again!!" kinda thing. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 08:44:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24006; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01380; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03049; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cf-62-laptop (Pool-207-205-203-220.kop.grid.net [207.205.203.220]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24535 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971014084402.007aa660@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:44:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Drivers Test - Reconsidered Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, Having read the variety of responses to my original post, here is my new view on lane position when driving in D.C.: Left third: Gives good view of traffic ahead Maximizes visibility to oncoming traffic Avoids tainted needles, broken bottles, unremoved snow Center: Allows to blind driver via his rearview mirror, making aiming more difficult Note: does not apply to armed bicyclists (see "Right third") Can use car in front as cover Right third: Provides maximum reaction time during crossfire Can assess weapons status of bicyclists ahead Easier concealment of fairing mounted Stingers Greater access to politicians buying drugs curbside Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (Stolen, HGG in therapy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 09:34:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24707; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01747; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04162; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA23120 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA13896 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAC21592 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:32:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971014133237.AAC21592@localHost> Brians response would be directions to my house. I understand he may be having trouble with his mail though....... ....SO! If you don't get a response from Brians email, let me know. I'll broadcast to all who query on Friday. Todd George Howell Wrote: >>Note: Brian has set up an automated response to your rsvp, >> so make sure the subject of your mail is DC-Summit. > >Was there anything in the auto response? (Directions, perhaps?? :) I >don't seem to have received one. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 09:36:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24730; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01804; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04234; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA20911; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971014093349_1925618084@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: hgg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drivers Test - Reconsidered I took the Virginia test about a year and a half ago and found that it had a bunch of annoying questions about statistics. [What percentage of motorcycle accidents are alcohol related and involve drivers whose last name begins with the letter Y?] I suppose that the answers are in their little booklet but I still thought it was kind of silly to expect people to learn a bunch of percentages for various occurences. Much better to learn concepts rather than details. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 09:40:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24775; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01847; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04317; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s45.erols.com [207.172.110.45]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29867; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:40:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199710141340.JAA29867@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Brian McCoy" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:42:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Are you saying you don't live durring the winter? I sure do (only > realized durring those brisk rides to work (when the bike's running)). > It's kinda fun looking for the sandy spots 'cause that's where the > most traction is - makes ya a smooooth rider. > > > Brian > > Nope. The bike goes into hibernation when the outside temp reaches the 40's during the day. well, thats when it FIRST gets in the 40's. Then it gets colder, and I go into hibernate mode. (you dont wanna be around me then. trust me) Then it gets really cold out. Then it goes back UP to the 40's, but because it was colder than the 40's, the 40's dont seem so cold anymore, so I start to unthaw and think about my bike again. When its in the UPPER 40's then, I try and get ON the bike. Then I freeze and become a bear to be around cuz its ALMOST warm enough but not quite and I cant wait and you dont wanna be around me then. trust me. I hate cold. It freezes my fingers, makes me shiver and gives me a shiny red cold nose. plus my toes fall off. Every year! They just freeze and fall right off. Nothin thaws or grows back till the spring. And then its ok to be near me again. trust me. Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 10:03:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25066; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02105; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04853; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 44377560; Tue, 14 Oct 97 09:44:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:38:24 -0400 Message-ID: <44377560@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: Drivers Test - Reconsidered To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > Easier concealment of fairing mounted Stingers Sigh, I am always sad about the low signal to noise rato on this list. There are very few threats that exist in this area for Stinger missiles, as a small warhead like that (with its rosette IR scanning feature) makes it ideal for aircraft. As aircraft are rarely a local threat in this area, cars would be next on the threat list. I suggest that you go back to your dealer and demand the installation of the Javelin ATGM system, as its superior range and penetration effects will defeat most of the vehicles found on our local roads. There may still be some Dragons available, but I cannot recommend their usage, as the control inputs are a bit twitchy for a bike. My SO's F650ST has gone from 100 miles per tank (new) to almost 180 miles per tank at 2000 miles on the clock, which seems like quite a bit of break in has happened here. And speaking of sand, my K bike did a major slide on some the other day-which was scary. Then the BT65s found some road and GRABBED, which was scarier. It stood back up and went straight again, HARD. The bike simply converted all that sideways energy into terror. (Energy cannot be destroyed, only perverted) I think I put some grooves in my grips. So now they fit my hands real nice. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 10:28:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25482; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02882; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05676; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-218.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.218]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA28133; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3443814D.2FC1A4F4@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:27:25 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cold and the DC-Cycles party. References: <199710141340.JAA29867@smtp3.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers wrote: > hibernation . . . you dont wanna be around me then.. . .you dont wanna be > around me then. . . . I hate cold. 1) It doesn't get cold here.2) Windshields are good. 3) Electric clothes are like sex, once you've tried it, substitutes are no longer acceptable 4) Brian is right: sand is good, ice is bad. I'm going to the LDRiders Feast in the East on Saturday, sorry I can't make it to the DC-cycles party. Can we have one in January? The only events I know about it January are PARR's Polar Bear Ride and the Baltimore show. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 10:32:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25558; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03349; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05789; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as2s36.erols.com [207.172.152.36]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15926 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710141440.KAA15926@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: It's been a while ... Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:34:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Caron Rose wrote: > Hi everyone, Hey Caron! Welcome back! > I finally graduated and got a '95 Virago 750. Congrats on the new ride! But is it "Candy" red? > I just got the 'last' message today, about the meeting this weekend, but I > already have plans on Saturday. And on Sunday I have the PARR Fall Foliage > Poker Run (Mr. Bill - you still around?). So maybe next time! Yup, I'm still around. I'm not going to be able to make the DC Summit either but I do figure to make the PARR ride the next day. I plan to ride with some other friends and will probably be getting there late, so don't look too hard for me until the end. I expect to be riding a Suzuki RE5 rotary to this one. It'll be the black one with Maryland plates, in case several show up... ;-) L8r, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 10:50:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25772; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04593; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06358; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id KAB042.99; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:49:31 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971014094320.00946590@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:43:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: D.C. Driver's test In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971013141951.007a9320@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:19 PM 10/13/97 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: >A friend of mine moved from NY to DC and had to take the D.C. written >drivers' test. Apparantly there were two motorcycle questions, one of >which flies in the face of the MSF. > >Question (paraphrased): Where is the safest part of the lane to ride when >following another vehicle. > >Answer: The center third. Actually it doesn't quite fly in the face of the MSF. MSF recommends the left third of the lane, but notes there are a lot of exceptions. In traffic I move to the side of the lane away from the cars, to give me more space cushion. I've found protecting my position is not as important as having time and space to react to wandering cagers. The last close call, when I still regularly rode in the left third of my lane, was when a Maine State Trooper drifted two feet into my lane as he was passing me and fiddling with something in his car. When changing lanes, I signal then move over in my lane in the direction I'm going. I hold position for a moment before I cross the white line. One more head check (called a "Lifesaver" in the British Police _Motorcycle Roadcraft_) then I move briskly into the new lane. When braking, I move over (usually to the left) so I can ride between the cars ahead of me if some Brain Dead Cager behind me can't stop. Here in the Washington, DC, area, the most common wreck is a rear-ender caused by a cager driving too fast to control his/her/its car. In corners I move way to the inside to try to stay clear of spills, assuming the spills would sling to the outside of the corner. I also prefer the inside because that way nobody can pull up beside me then take me out if they fail to make the turn. All these rules get modified significantly when I'm avoiding manhole covers, potholes, steel plates, pavement joints, etc. On backroads, I tend to stay to the left, sometimes even riding in the left lane (of a divided 4-lane highway) just to get more space from the edge of the road. Particularly around dusk and dawn when animals like deer are on the move. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 11:06:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26277; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05021; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07361; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256530.00531F4A ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:07:54 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: denizen@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256530.0052B830.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:10:02 -0400 Subject: Re: It's been a while ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mr. Bill Said: > I finally graduated and got a '95 Virago 750. Congrats on the new ride! But is it "Candy" red? Hey - who ya talking to! Of course it's RED, but more like a fire-engine red now.. Do you really think I'd buy any other color? Well.. *maybe* purple.. *MAYBE*. But Red is definitely my color . >I do figure to make the PARR ride the next day. >I plan to ride with some other friends and will >probably be getting there late, so don't look too >hard for me until the end. I expect to be riding >a Suzuki RE5 rotary to this one. It'll be the black >one with Maryland plates, in case several show up... ;-) Great ! We'll keep an eye out for you! Since I've outgrown (sigh) my Denizen T-Shirt, just watch for the pair of us - Me on the Red and White Virago, and Roy on the Maroon 82 Goldwing. See ya! Caron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 11:10:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26317; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05057; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07473; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256530.00536E12 ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:11:16 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: mrider@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256530.0053729F.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:13:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Cold and the DC-Cycles party. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm going to the LDRiders Feast in the East on Saturday, sorry I can't make it to the DC-cycles party. Can we have one in January? The only events I know about it January are PARR's Polar Bear Ride and the Baltimore show. Leon. Leon, The next PARR Poker run after the Polar Bear isn't until April. I think there is a Law Ride, originating in Herndon, but I don't remember when that takes place. Caron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 11:22:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26558; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05208; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07946; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA26357; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971014112008_1825221859@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: hacker@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Choppers In a message dated 97-10-13 23:08:13 EDT, you write: << Speaking of Harley's, I was at the Annapolis in the water boat show this past weekend and spied (with my little eye) two absolutely amazing choppers. One was all chrome and metal flake red with forks longer than my entire bike and this *teeny tiny* little gas tank. I couldn't believe how small that tank was. It couldn't have held more than 2 gallons. >> My first hands-on experience with a "chopper" was a Marine Corps. helo with a really neato M60 machine gun in the door. I was a Navy fighter mechanic and my hunting buddy from high school, Chris, was the door gunner. We thought that was the sheet. He lasted two weeks in Viet Nam. Then I was glad I wasn't in the door with the neato gun. But I did get to ride a chopper with a Yamaha 650 twin engine a few years later at a small Kawasaki dealership where I worked. Choppers need REAL small fuel tanks to give you an excuse to stop a lot. Your chopper rider pal gave you the finger because he was probably a parolee forced to ride that machine for 6-8 years as a condition of his release and just wanted to share his feelings with you. Feel his pain, son. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 11:40:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26998; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05370; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsfc.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08699; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.118.97.18] (dhcp18_97.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.97.18]) by gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA00567 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44377560@emh3.arl.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:37:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Amy Rottier Subject: Terror; was:Re: Drivers Test - Reconsidered > And speaking of sand, my K bike did a major slide on some the other > day-which was scary. Then the BT65s found some road and GRABBED, > which was scarier. It stood back up and went straight again, HARD. > The bike simply converted all that sideways energy into terror. > (Energy cannot be destroyed, only perverted) > I think I put some grooves in my grips. > So now they fit my hands real nice. > > Dave Ah. I have a small story. Friends and I were out for a bike camp last weekend (Rocky Gap). On the way home Sunday, I pointed out a decidedly squiggly road on the map (generic MD map) and said let's hit it. My brother had decided to come along on this trip, and as he is currently without ride, I offered mine, as I could easily ride on the back of my husband's bike ('86 wing). As we were waiting departure, I offered to take over the driving on the 'wing (first time with passenger on that bike; we checked it out for a bit first). My husband, being in a rare good mood, complied. The road was easy and straight, until, that is, we hit the "squiggly road". It was through yet another park, and it turned into gravel. Ok. Not bad going at first; mostly well-graveled, easy turns, smooth ruts. Well, this bike is heavy. My shoulders started bunching up. I demanded shoulder rub to ease my tension. It wasn't easing; the road was getting longer and more difficult. We weren't in-and-out like the map showed; we must have taken a wrong turn... Ok. We're twisting and turning, and I'm getting a workout. But then comes the shooting pain. Red hot shoulders. I'm not relaxing, here... Oh bloody hell. Look at that hill... loose gravel... holes... Imagine, if you will: two people on a Honda Gold Wing. Strange, the driver seems to be slightly smaller than the passenger - ah, the woman is in front. The man is sitting quite still and coaching from the rear ("You're doing fine"). Then, the hill. All four bikes are struggling; all but the 'wing are various cruiser/street styles, but not nearly as heavy or well-loaded. Someone skids a little. 5mph is slow on any road on a bike; but uphill? Don't dare go much faster than 10mph. Red hot shooting pain in shoulders. Losing fine control in right hand; easy throttle changes become jumpy and erratic. The first major mistake: throttle at the wrong time, start losing it to the right. FUCK!!!! Big time major panic. Close mouth; breathe. Wrest control. MUST STAY UPRIGHT. Ok. Making it now. What was that? Oh, someone is ... FUCK!!! Second major mistake. Another hole to avoid; too late. FUCK!FUCK!FUCK!FUCK! (And I am not the swearing kind, in general). They're all stopped at the top of the hill, I can see the end, it's coming, stay upright... Whoo! I can stop! Shaky feet down; where the bananas is neutral???!!! Hit it. Kickstand? OK. Passenger? Apparently alive. Disengage from bike (pry fingers from right hand, from left; there you go). Give triumphant banshee yell. Fall to ground in utter exhaustion. I must say, that my trial-by-fire first ride with passenger on a fully-loaded Gold Wing went extremely well, given the circumstances. No dents, no scrapes, nobody down. My shoulders are still sore... And, the biggest, hardest thing to believe: my husband came through with a smile on his face. Chock one up for me. Sorry for the longevity - I just wanted to share. Hope everyone has fun on Saturday (I'll be digging and parging my foundation). Amy *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Amy Elizabeth Rottier (Donovan), aka Platypus '83 Honda Shadow VT500 Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX '92 Taurus SHO MTX '70 Opel GT 1900 How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Two. One to hold the giraffe and the other to fill the bathtub with brightly colored machine tools. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 12:26:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28262; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06525; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11319; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA03344; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id MAA19006; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA28881; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:57:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "Squeakers" CC: "Brian McCoy", Subject: Cold Schmold...who's coming..... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971014155716.AAA28881@localHost> Cold schmold! I don't wanna hear it! I hate the cold too, but mostly cuz I haven't taken the time to learn how to ski :) Squeaks, you need to come up with a better bit of hand-wringing than its too cold, and your Hubby won't let you...Won't let you!!?! Is this the same "No one tells me what to do...I'm in control...I am woman [sic]" Squeakers we've all come to know? Doesn't sound like it. Unless you're actually out hunting with your SO, you got no excuse. Tell yer ole' man to relax and kill that bear. You get out here and show yourself (and bring that DAMN HELMET). You don't have to stay, just show. Todd PS, and just WHERE is Colleen, or Bob, Harry or Bueller? And WHO IS ANYBODY? Never seen that postal address before PPS, Oh yeah...tjoseph...phone home and get out here too! ppps,....Sheesh %-) >> Are you saying you don't live durring the winter? I sure do (only >> realized durring those brisk rides to work (when the bike's running)). >> It's kinda fun looking for the sandy spots 'cause that's where the >> most traction is - makes ya a smooooth rider. >> >> >> Brian >> >> > > Nope. The bike goes into hibernation when the >outside temp reaches the 40's during the day. well, thats >when it FIRST gets in the 40's. Then it gets colder, and I >go into hibernate mode. (you dont wanna be around me then. >trust me) > >Squeakers >> >> Bob? Squeakers? Colleen? Harry? Anybody? Bueller? >> >> Later >> Kevin >> >> > > My problem is that its October. October and November are >totally out for me. October is bow season, and the hubby >ALWAYS goes out. Rain, shine, heat, cold..he can even have >bronchitis and he'd still go out. (he's done that) No way >would he let me go alone, either. So.. Im hopin that ya'll >get along SOOO great that you decide to do it AGAIN either >close to christmas or in the spring, so *I* can go, too. > > >Squeakers-henpecked by my henpecked huntin ol'man > > This weekend he's goin after a bear he saw last weekend. >Well, that and deer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:30:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29631; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07715; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14274; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA08437; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971014132815_255516739@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold weather In a message dated 97-10-14 09:56:01 EDT, you write: << I hate cold. It freezes my fingers, makes me shiver and gives me a shiny red cold nose. plus my toes fall off. Every year! They just freeze and fall right off. Nothin thaws or grows back till the spring. And then its ok to be near me again. trust me. Squeakers >> You need to get wired. For electric clothing, I meant. I used Widder gloves, vest, and for awhile, chaps for many years. Coldest I ever saw was 5 degrees on Christmas eve 1985 after closing up Cycles Woodbridge. The Goldwing wouldn't start, so I had to bring it in the shop to warm the battery up. Boy! you put those electric gloves on after fueling the bike up at a gas'n go and you will be a Believer. Just ask any motorcop in P.G. county; I lent a pair to one and now they are among the Faithfull. Also, but risky, favored brandies will set you on fire for about 90 minutes. But you have to drink it, not pour it on yourself and light up. Hunters and old enduro racers turned me on to that. Unfortunately, the brandy will give you the desire to shoot at anything and hit trees with your KDX200. Naw, forget the bike in winter, buy an ATV. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:53:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00143; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08068; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15342; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:48:26 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gold wing trial... Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Have you considered submitting this story to Penthouse Forum? I think it would go over well... Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 15:52:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02313; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14856; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20308; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.75.240]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA26308; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:50:16 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd B Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:25:56 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971014195015.AAA26308@default> Todd- I expect the people who aren't getting the automated response are those who responded to the "DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call!" post, not the one with the words that trigger the automated response. That's my guess. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 16:37:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02826; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15915; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21766; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cf-62-laptop (Pool-207-205-203-120.kop.grid.net [207.205.203.120]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA28521; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971014163707.007ac100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:37:07 -0400 To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Cold weather Cc: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <971014132815_255516739@emout12.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:29 PM 10/14/97 -0400, RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: Also, but risky, favored >brandies will set you on fire for about 90 minutes. But you have to drink it, >not pour it on yourself and light up. Hunters and old enduro racers turned me >on to that.... Okay, folks, let's remember what we learned in Boy Scouts: alcohol makes you feel warm because it causes the blood vessels in your skin to dilate (cutaneous vasodilation). However, although you feel warm, you actually lose more heat. I'll completely leave alone the additional concept of alcohol and driving. Better to stick with electric clothing and arrive warm and safe. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (Abducted) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 18:10:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03984; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17384; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24358; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:06:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:09:12 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hello, D.C. bikers! I am new to the list, and thought I'd come out of hiding long enough to introduce myself. My name is Sean Sullivan. I found out about this group through Todd Speer and Linda Tanner. I camped next to them at Summit Point and they let me tag along on the return trip. That weekend I also met Brian McCoy, who was working the corners. See you guys at Todd's party! Sean '95 CBR F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:40:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05783; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20166; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28094; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: John20008@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA26720 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971014213545_-1059194994@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: DC-Cycles...who's coming...last call! In a message dated 97-10-14 09:56:01 EDT, Squeakers writes: > Then it gets really cold out. I'm sorry, but it NEVER gets really cold out in the DC area. --John, veteran of 9 Boston winters, 4 upstate NY winters, and years and years of CT winters. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 10:52:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12371; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01022; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11498; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04772; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:51:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA32313; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA8947; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:50:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Sean Sullivan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: introduction X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971015145043.AAA8947@localHost> Hey Sean, You found us....Glad to have you in. BTW...This is the DC-Cycles list party this Saturday. I'm simply hosting. See you Saturday! Todd ___________________________________________________ Hello, D.C. bikers! I am new to the list, and thought I'd come out of hiding long enough to introduce myself. My name is Sean Sullivan. I found out about this group through Todd Speer and Linda Tanner. I camped next to them at Summit Point and they let me tag along on the return trip. That weekend I also met Brian McCoy, who was working the corners. See you guys at Todd's party! Sean '95 CBR F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 11:05:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12685; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01210; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout27.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11995; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout27.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA18273; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971015103448_-1562408284@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: hgg@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold weather In a message dated 97-10-15 00:56:14 EDT, you write: << Also, but risky, favored >brandies will set you on fire for about 90 minutes. But you have to drink it, >not pour it on yourself and light up. Hunters and old enduro racers turned me >on to that.... Okay, folks, let's remember what we learned in Boy Scouts: alcohol makes you feel warm because it causes the blood vessels in your skin to dilate (cutaneous vasodilation). However, although you feel warm, you actually lose more heat. I'll completely leave alone the additional concept of alcohol and driving. Better to stick with electric clothing and arrive warm and safe. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (Abducted) >> I know, doc. That was basicly artistic (as if being a wise-guy makes you gifted) license. But the brandy really worked *after* the 100 mile enduros I never finished in Pennsylvania Oct-Nov on a 33 degree drizzly day when your wet hands looked like crooked claws after you pried them off the grips. A shame about the ZX11. In my years at m/c dealers in this area, they were always the most often stolen. Richard Brandywine, home of the most prolific vehicle, a dump truck (1/4 mile from the rather fashionable and enviable sleepy town of Croom deeply stitched in history) 94 Honda VRF750C 96 Polaris 425 Magnum 2x4 Yamaha YT3600 lawn tractor Honda HRS214SXA mower MTD roto tiller, Snapper weed whacker, 2 chain saws, various semi-automatic weapons, pick up truck. THAT'S IT! I HAVE ACHIEVED MY LIFE-LONG GOAL! Am I finally a "good ole' boy", or just another wannabe? The answer is obvious in the eyes of the local farmers when I pull my shiny and expensive cloth covered seated looks like a french whorehouse in side pick up into the parking lot at the nearby farm supply store. Kinda like the reaction motorcyclists get entering a store with a good case of helmet hair and swathed in leather. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 11:37:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13397; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01542; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13270; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA05050 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA19238 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAA31685 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:36:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Trials...poker run phphptt:p X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971015153621.AAA31685@localHost> Is anyone interested in Observed Trials? If you aren't familiar with the term, here is the best description I can give: Trials involve an expert motorcycle rider putting his/her bike through a virtual motorcycle ballet. In the Observed Trials setting, the rider must ride over and through things such as cars, stacked boulders, and just about any seemingly impossible obstacle. Does that sound interesting? Well, the WhiteRose Motorcycle Club in Jefferson Town, PA (about 20m sw of York) is hosting some Observed Trials this Sunday the 19th. There is a fee ($10-$20), and they start at Noon. Now a lot of you probably have plans to do a Poker Run with either PARR or Coleman PowerSport to witness a bunch of dying leaves. Yeah, that could be fun, but the ride up to Jefferson is mostly backroads with plenty of dying leaves to look at, and there is a pay-off. You get to watch some pretty talented riders skip, hop and jump over things. If anyone is interested in this and would like to ride up with me, meet me at the Bob Evans in Springfield, VA to LEAVE at 9am. If you want to have breakfast, I will be there at 8am. If you live in MD and want to go, we will be heading around 495 to the Glen Echo exit and up River Road. Let me know where we can meet you. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 15:11:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17200; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06170; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20719; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA28961 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971015150715_1100369013@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dark day Today is a very dark day for me. My favorite riding buddy just sold his CBR1100XX. Two months ago he sold his VMAX. Now he is a pedestrian except for his work mount: Harley police bike. We've ridden together since I gave him his first full time job at Beltway Kawasaki 18 years ago. Do you know what riding without police protection is going to do to my riding style? Traitor!! I'm going over to his house RIGHT NOW AND KICK HIS ASS!!! No; wait, he just was issued the new Glock 40 cal' and being Prince George's County police would probably shoot me 14 times if I just leaned in his direction. KeeeRAP! I needa another cop to ride with. It's either that or a buy a moped. Yeah, a moped, right! After I die and go to hell. Richard Feel my pain, motorcyclists. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 16:06:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18182; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07710; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22762; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA13548 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:03:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008024; Wed Oct 15 13:37:14 1997 Message-ID: <34450DAA.2363@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:38:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Trials...poker run phphptt:p References: <19971015153621.AAA31685@localHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to second Todd's assertion that Observed Trials is something you should definitely see, at least once. It gives you a completely new appreciation of bike handling. Honestly, you'll see riders balancing bikes so well, and moving forward so slowly, that they can ride down the length of a fallen log, up and down huge boulders, and other breath-taking feats. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 16:19:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18341; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07853; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout23.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23155; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AWheat@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout23.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA04225 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971015092900_423204495@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For Additional Motorcycle Info... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello fellow motorcyclists, There is a free service available which compliments the DC Cycles list rather nicely. To be a part of it, send an e-mail to AWheat@XXXXXX to be placed on our motorcycle rider notification list. You will automatically be notified through e-mail about our upcoming motorcycle rides with others in the northern Virginia area. We are not a club. We donM-^Rt have meetings or dues. We are just motorcyclists who like to take day trips to scenic places and attend local events. For more information, including our calendar of upcoming rides, check out our web site at: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html It's always good to have as much information as possible about local motorcycle activities. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat AWheat@XXXXXX http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 18:18:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20079; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10699; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26673; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA28517 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com (pop1a.mail.mci.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA08004 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:16:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by pop1a.mail.mci.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release "turbo_2" ID# 1-123U25000L1S10) with SMTP id AAB9078 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:16:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Your tools have a purpose X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-ID: <19971015221623.AAB9078@localHost> For the mechanically disinclined: > HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is > used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car parts not far > from the object we are trying to hit. > > MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of > cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; it works particularly > well on boxes containing convertible tops or tonneau covers. > > PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. > > HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board > principle. It transforms human energy into crooked, unpredictable > motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more > dismal your future becomes. > > VISE GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is > available, they can transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your > hand. > > OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for the lighting those stale > garage cigarettes you keep hidden in the back of the Whitwirth socket > drawer (What wife would think to look in _there_ ?) because you can > never remember to buy lighter fluid for the Zippo lighter you got from > the PX at Fort Campbell. > > ZIPPO LIGHTER: See Oxyacetylene Torch. > > WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and > motorcycles, they are now used mainly for hiding six-month old Salems > from the sort of person who would throw them away for no good reason. > > DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat > metal stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and > flings your beer across the room, splattering it against the Rolling > Stones poster over the bench grinder. > > WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere > under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint > whorls and hard earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you > to say, "Django Reinhardt." > > HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering a Mustang to the ground after > you have installed a set of Ford Motorsports lowered road springs, > trapping the jack handle firmly under the front air dam. > > EIGHT FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering a car upward off a > hydraulic jack > > TWEEZERS: A tool used for removing wood splinters. > > PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbor Chris to see if he has another > hydraulic floor jack. > > SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for > spreading mayonnaise, used mainly for getting dog-doo off your boot. > > E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes > and is ten times harder than any known drill bit. > > TIMING LIGHT: A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease > buildup on crankshaft pulleys. > > TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST: A handy tool for testing the tensile > strength of ground straps and hydraulic clutch lines you may have > forgotten to disconnect. > > CRAFTSMAN 1/2 X 16" SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool that > inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end > without the handle. > > BATTERY ELECTROLYTE TESTER: A handy tool for transferring sulfuric > acid from a car battery to the inside of your toolbox after > determining that your battery is dead as a doornail, just as you > thought. > > AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. > > TROUBLE LIGHT: The mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a > drop light, it is a good source of Vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," > which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits > aside, its main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the > same rate that 105mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the > first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark then > light, its name is somewhat misleading. > > PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style > paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt, it can also be > used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads. > > AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning > power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that > travels by hose to a Chicago Pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty > suspension bolts last tightened 40 years ago by someone in Abingdon, > Oxfordshire, and rounds them off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 22:20:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22473; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12304; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01182; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.75.99]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA8714; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:19:29 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd B Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Your tools have a purpose Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:14:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971016021927.AAA8714@default> Hey, y'all- In case you wonder where that brilliant essay on tools came from, Peter Egan wrote it for Road and Track last spring. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 01:58:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24443; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19125; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout35.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04199; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout35.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA03396; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971015185255_1267046848@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: tjoseph@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trials. In a message dated 97-10-15 16:13:06 EDT, you write: << I just wanted to second Todd's assertion that Observed Trials is something you should definitely see, at least once. It gives you a completely new appreciation of bike handling. Honestly, you'll see riders balancing bikes so well, and moving forward so slowly, that they can ride down the length of a fallen log, up and down huge boulders, and other breath-taking feats. >> Trials was getting national attention, um, two decades ago. So I buys a Kawasaki trials bike. The front sprocket cover was non-existant, so I get three pairs of bell-bottom pants caught in the chain. Since I always carry a pocket knife, I end up with custom designed pants after cutting myself loose. Plus, the process of pants bunching in chain forces you to the ground, flailing like a trapped animal, while reaching for the kill button. Wish I had a video of that. Seriously, accomplished trials riders are incredible. Imagine riding over a cage or jammin the front wheel into a window of a house, stopping, backing away and changing direction 90+ degrees. I was no good at it. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 05:55:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA25923; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA22365; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout26.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA06842; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout26.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA22240; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971015214800_1334470181@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: klthomas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: party (2) A bit late responding, I know, but I've been terribly busy. I won't be able to make it Saturday night as my Freshman daughter is going to her first homecoming. Congratulations on beginning your 4th decade -- I'm looking at the beginning of my 5th (or maybe it's the end of the 4th) next year. Celebrate in advance for me! Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 06:46:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA26130; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22557; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA07299; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as18s32.erols.com [207.172.36.95]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA22836 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016064832.00ac9198@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:48:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: party (2) In-Reply-To: <971015214800_1334470181@emout01.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:54 AM 10/16/97 -0400, Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX wrote: >A bit late responding, I know, but I've been terribly busy. > >I won't be able to make it Saturday night as my Freshman daughter is going to >her first homecoming. > To me, it looks like this is all the more reason to come! No worries about what the kids will do while left alone at home!! Once you send her happily on her way, come join the party, then head home 20 minutes before she does. Just kidding of course. Hope everyone has a great evening. Pen and I are still planning on attending; however, that's still contingent on finding someone to watch or 7 1/2 mo/ old ankle biter. Any listers not going to the party?? :) Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 09:02:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27053; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23232; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09252; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256532.0047B3FE ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:03:11 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256532.0047B2F2.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:05:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Your tools have a purpose Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I know someone who uses an Oxyacetylene Torch to light his fireplace... Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX on 10/15/97 06:15:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Caron Rose/Solutions By Design/US) Subject: Your tools have a purpose For the mechanically disinclined: > HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is > used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car parts not far > from the object we are trying to hit. > > MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of > cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; it works particularly > well on boxes containing convertible tops or tonneau covers. > > PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. > > HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board > principle. It transforms human energy into crooked, unpredictable > motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more > dismal your future becomes. > > VISE GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is > available, they can transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your > hand. > > OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for the lighting those stale > garage cigarettes you keep hidden in the back of the Whitwirth socket > drawer (What wife would think to look in _there_ ?) because you can > never remember to buy lighter fluid for the Zippo lighter you got from > the PX at Fort Campbell. > > ZIPPO LIGHTER: See Oxyacetylene Torch. > > WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and > motorcycles, they are now used mainly for hiding six-month old Salems > from the sort of person who would throw them away for no good reason. > > DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat > metal stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and > flings your beer across the room, splattering it against the Rolling > Stones poster over the bench grinder. > > WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere > under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint > whorls and hard earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you > to say, "Django Reinhardt." > > HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering a Mustang to the ground after > you have installed a set of Ford Motorsports lowered road springs, > trapping the jack handle firmly under the front air dam. > > EIGHT FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering a car upward off a > hydraulic jack > > TWEEZERS: A tool used for removing wood splinters. > > PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbor Chris to see if he has another > hydraulic floor jack. > > SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for > spreading mayonnaise, used mainly for getting dog-doo off your boot. > > E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes > and is ten times harder than any known drill bit. > > TIMING LIGHT: A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease > buildup on crankshaft pulleys. > > TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST: A handy tool for testing the tensile > strength of ground straps and hydraulic clutch lines you may have > forgotten to disconnect. > > CRAFTSMAN 1/2 X 16" SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool that > inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end > without the handle. > > BATTERY ELECTROLYTE TESTER: A handy tool for transferring sulfuric > acid from a car battery to the inside of your toolbox after > determining that your battery is dead as a doornail, just as you > thought. > > AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. > > TROUBLE LIGHT: The mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a > drop light, it is a good source of Vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," > which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits > aside, its main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the > same rate that 105mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the > first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark then > light, its name is somewhat misleading. > > PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style > paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt, it can also be > used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads. > > AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning > power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that > travels by hose to a Chicago Pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty > suspension bolts last tightened 40 years ago by someone in Abingdon, > Oxfordshire, and rounds them off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 09:08:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27251; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23256; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09528; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-207.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.207]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA12548; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <344611AC.426FA8F6@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:07:56 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dark day References: <971015150715_1100369013@emout02.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > Today is a very dark day for me. > I needa another cop to ride with. It's either that or a buy a moped. Yeah, a > moped, right! After I die and go to hell. There are advantages to a moped. I can ride it on the shoulder, I can split lanes, I can run to the front of the line at the stoplight, insurance isn't required, registration isn't required, a driver's license isn't required, I can not wear whatever I want to not wear - legally! (ok, decency laws still apply) They do have a few disadvantages. There's only so much power you can get from a 50cc motor (mine has a little over 4 hp), I haven't been able to get it to go faster than 60 anywhere or 55 on level ground. Brakes are marginal, so 50 is usually fast enough. The frame flexes a lot and suspension is wobbly. Never mind, the moped won't fit in with your 'I wanna be a redneck' image. :-) Wait, I can fix that problem, I know a guy who could paint one John Deere green and yellow for you. Leon - I'll be taking the 250 Ninja to Huntsville, AL for supper on Saturday night. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 09:49:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27839; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23593; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10618; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA15383; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971016094800_-226594522@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: mrider@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: de Mopad (as it is traditionaly pronounced) Leon; In a message dated 97-10-16 09:08:31 EDT, you write: << Never mind, the moped won't fit in with your 'I wanna be a redneck' image. :-) Wait, I can fix that problem, I know a guy who could paint one John Deere green and yellow for you.>> Actually, I have considered getting the family on mopeds to tour the countryside in this neck of the woods, but the bicyclists from the 'burbs that decend on us weekends look like a ruff lot and am afraid they would take vengence on us for all the times pick-ups and mini vans (including my wife in one) rocketed by them too close. Don't really want to go the redneck route; don't want to give up any teeth. <> That's an idea for biker commuters! Did't I see you on HOV 95 lanes on the 250 with the moped strapped to your back? Man! you could make some time in traffic downtown! Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:01:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28783; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25669; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access1.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12804; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access1.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA02814; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: CBR List , Honda CB-1 mailing list , DC Cycles mailing list , balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hurt report summary Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII based on a recent thread, i thought i'd send this out: excerpts from the hurt report summary. the hurt report was an investigation into motorcycle accidents and causes, conducted in the early 1970s in southern california. i know of no other similar studies conducted elsewhere or more recently. this is the only real data we have on motorcycle accidents. please don't bother telling me how irrelevant or outdated you think this is; but if you know of a more recent valid study, please send me information about it. -D- -- Article 382073 of rec.motorcycles: Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles Path: news2.digex.net!news1.rcsntx.swbell.net!news.PBI.net!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!tribune.meitca.com!ukma!ovation!tcora From: tcora@XXXXXX (Tom Coradeschi) Subject: Hurt Report Summary X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fsm-1 Message-ID: Originator: tcora@fsm-1 Sender: usenet@XXXXXX (USENET Special Account ) Organization: U.S. Army Armament Research Dev. & Eng. Ctr, Dover NJ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 06:29:54 GMT Lines: 204 Xref: news2.digex.net rec.motorcycles:382073 Findings from the Hurt Study Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures A motorcycle accident study offers you and your students a wealth of information about accidents and how to avoid them. The "Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures," is a study conducted by the University of Southern California (USC). With funds from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, researcher Harry Hurt investigated almost every aspect of 900 motorcycle accidents in the Los Angeles area. Additionally, Hurt and his staff analyzed 3,600 motorcycle traffic accident reports in the same geographic area. Reprinted here for your information and use are the findings. The final report is several hundred pages. If you choose to have this document in your resource library, the order information is: Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures, Volume 1: Technical Report, Hurt, H.H., Ouellet, J.V. and Thom, D.R., Traffic Safety Center, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90007, Contract No. DOT HS-5-01160, January 1981 (Final Report) This document is available through: National Technical Information Service 5285 Port Royal Road Springfield, Virginia 22161 (703)-487-4600 Vol.I (The Main Report and Summary) is PB81206443 (~400 pages) Vol.II (Appendix: Supplementary Data) is PB81206450 (~400 pages) Either document is $42.95 plus $3.00 shipping. (circa 1990) "Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures" Findings Throughout the accident and exposure data there are special observations which relate to accident and injury causation and characteristics of the motorcycle accidents studied. These findings are summarized as follows: 1. Approximately three-fourths of these motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, which was most usually a passenger automobile. 2. Approximately one-fourth of these motorcycle accidents were single vehicle accidents involving the motorcycle colliding with the roadway or some fixed object in the environment. 3. Vehicle failure accounted for less than 3% of these motorcycle accidents, and most of those were single vehicle accidents where control was lost due to a puncture flat. 4. In the single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the typical error being a slideout and fall due to overbraking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering. 5. Roadway defects (pavement ridges, potholes, etc.) were the accident cause in 2% of the accidents; animal involvement was 1% of the accidents. 6. In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents. 7. The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents. The driver of the other vehicle involved in collision with the motorcycle did not see the motorcycle before the collision, or did not see the motorcycle until too late to avoid the collision. 8. Deliberate hostile action by a motorist against a motorcycle rider is a rare accident cause. The most frequent accident configuration is the motorcycle proceeding straight then the automobile makes a left turn in front of the oncoming motorcycle. 10. Intersections are the most likely place for the motorcycle accident, with the other vehicle violating the motorcycle right-of-way, and often violating traffic controls. 11. Weather is not a factor in 98% of motorcycle accidents. 12. Most motorcycle accidents involve a short trip associated with shopping, errands, friends, entertainment or recreation, and the accident is likely to happen in a very short time close to the trip origin. 13. The view of the motorcycle or the other vehicle involved in the accident is limited by glare or obstructed by other vehicles in almost half of the multiple vehicle accidents. 14. Conspicuity of the motorcycle is a critical factor in the multiple vehicle accidents, and accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of motorcycle headlamps (on in daylight) and the wearing of high visibility yellow, orange or bright red jackets. 15. Fuel system leaks and spills were present in 62% of the motorcycle accidents in the post-crash phase. This represents an undue hazard for fire. 16. The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph. 17. The typical motorcycle pre-crash lines-of-sight to the traffic hazard portray no contribution of the limits of peripheral vision; more than three-fourths of all accident hazards are within 45deg of either side of straight ahead. 18. Conspicuity of the motorcycle is most critical for the frontal surfaces of the motorcycle and rider. 19. Vehicle defects related to accident causation are rare and likely to be due to deficient or defective maintenance. 20. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30 and 50 are significantly underrepresented. Although the majority of the accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female motorcycles riders are significantly overrepresented in the accident data. 22. Craftsmen, laborers, and students comprise most of the accident-involved motorcycle riders. Professionals, sales workers, and craftsmen are underrepresented and laborers, students and unemployed are overrepresented in the accidents. 23. Motorcycle riders with previous recent traffic citations and accidents are overrepresented in the accident data. 24. The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents. 25. More than half of the accident-involved motorcycle riders had less than 5 months experience on the accident motorcycle, although the total street riding experience was almost 3 years. Motorcycle riders with dirt bike experience are significantly underrepresented in the accident data. 26. Lack of attention to the driving task is a common factor for the motorcyclist in an accident. 27. Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement. 28. Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision avoidance problems. Most riders would overbrake and skid the rear wheel, and underbrake the front wheel greatly reducing collision avoidance deceleration. The ability to countersteer and swerve was essentially absent. 29. The typical motorcycle accident allows the motorcyclist just less than 2 seconds to complete all collision avoidance action. 30. Passenger-carrying motorcycles are not overrepresented in the accident area. 31. The driver of the other vehicles involved in collision with the motorcycle are not distinguished from other accident populations except that the ages of 20 to 29, and beyond 65 are overrepresented. Also, these drivers are generally unfamiliar with motorcycles. 32. The large displacement motorcycles are underrepresented in accidents but they are associated with higher injury severity when involved in accidents. 33. Any effect of motorcycle color on accident involvement is not determinable from these data, but is expected to be insignificant because the frontal surfaces are most often presented to the other vehicle involved in the collision. 34 Motorcycles equipped with fairings and windshields are underrepresented in accidents, most likely because of the contribution to conspicuity and the association with more experienced and trained riders. 35. Motorcycle riders in these accidents were significantly without motorcycle license, without any license, or with license revoked. 36. Motorcycle modifications such as those associated with the semi-chopper or cafe racer are definitely overrepresented in accidents. 37.The likelihood of injury is extremely high in these motorcycle accidents-98% of the multiple vehicle collisions and 96% of the single vehicle accidents resulted in some kind of injury to the motorcycle rider; 45% resulted in more than a minor injury. 38. Half of the injuries to the somatic regions were to the ankle-foot, lower leg, knee, and thigh-upper leg. 39. Crash bars are not an effective injury countermeasure; the reduction of injury to the ankle-foot is balanced by increase of injury to the thigh-upper leg, knee, and lower leg. 40. The use of heavy boots, jacket, gloves, etc., is effective in preventing or reducing abrasions and lacerations, which are frequent but rarely severe injuries. 41. Groin injuries were sustained by the motorcyclist in at least 13% of the accidents, which typified by multiple vehicle collision in frontal impact at higher than average speed. 42. Injury severity increases with speed, alcohol involvement and motorcycle size. 43. Seventy-three percent of the accident-involved motorcycle riders used no eye protection, and it is likely that the wind on the unprotected eyes contributed in impairment of vision which delayed hazard detection. 44. Approximately 50% of the motorcycle riders in traffic were using safety helmets but only 40% of the accident-involved motorcycle riders were wearing helmets at the time of the accident. 45. Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips. 46. The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head. 47. The use of the safety helmet is the single critical factor in the prevention of reduction of head injury; the safety helmet which complies with FMVSS 218 is a significantly effective injury countermeasure. 48. Safety helmet use caused no attenuation of critical traffic sounds, no limitation of precrash visual field, and no fatigue or loss of attention; no element of accident causation was related to helmet use. 49. FMVSS 218 provides a high level of protection in traffic accidents, and needs modification only to increase coverage at the back of the head and demonstrate impact protection of the front of full facial coverage helmets, and insure all adult sizes for traffic use are covered by the standard. 50. Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity. 51. The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries. 52. There is not liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury. 53. Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident. Of this group, 26% said they did not wear helmets because they were uncomfortable and inconvenient, and 53% simply had no expectation of accident involvement. 54. Valid motorcycle exposure data can be obtained only from collection at the traffic site. Motor vehicle or driver license data presents information which is completely unrelated to actual use. 55. Less than 10% of the motorcycle riders involved in these accidents had insurance of any kind to provide medical care or replace property. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 12:40:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00050; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27007; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16164; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.76.124]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA29959; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:40:03 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Caron Rose" , Cc: Subject: Re: Your tools have a purpose Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:37:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971016164002.AAA29959@default> I use my fireplace to light my oxyacetyline torch! He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 17:17:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03872; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03065; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02124; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Trials. Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:14:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX[SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > > Trials was getting national attention, um, two decades ago. So I buys > a > Kawasaki trials bike. > Two decades ago I had a KTM200 in Italy. You put it in 2nd & release the clutch, no throttle. You could cover probably 60% of a course that way. Trial is probably the most complexively demanding motorcycling facet in existence. You never get hurt by falling off the bike because you're almost standing still. The only time I got (hurt) was when I fell off the wall....the bike though, remained on the wall. Amit CBR1000 PS. About the party. My wife is working the hospital night shift and I will be spending quality time (babysitting) the kids. Sorry. I'm sure we can spice up the winter & do some WVA runs though, don't you all think? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 17:19:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03924; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03168; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msexchange.calibresys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02221; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:19:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Amit Chatterjie To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Dark day Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:19:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > There's only so much power you can get from a 50cc motor > Ahem! Tell that to the Italians. Does 16hp 100mph imply anything? Amit CBR1000 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 23:30:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07342; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11524; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08746; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from j furlong.os2bbs.com by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id XAA253.13; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:29:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:29:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199710170329.XAA253.13@quimby> X-Sender: jfurlong@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jim Furlong Subject: last weekend I had a great weekend, but am only now writing about it because of late nights at work since then. I combined two of my favorite pasttimes. Biking and flying gliders. Two good friends rode their cycles down from Connecticut, and met me in Frederick. We rode out 340 to Jefferson and then took back roads thru Burkettsville and went to the Red Bird Motel in Keedysville Md. The food there is ok, the motel rooms are a hoot. The doorways are about 5 1/2 feet tall and the rooms are about the size of shipping containers. You can't open the doors all the way because the tiny TV set is on a wall bracket behind the door and stops it. The walls are super-thin plywood and you can hear people breathing on both sides of you. (and I have a hearing impediment!) The beds were ok, and the rooms are only 27 bucks a night with a refundable 2 dollar key deposit. At sunrise we headed back to Frederick on route 30. The scenery was wonderful. The fields had clouds of mist floating in them. At my glider club, we rolled out a two seat glider and got towed to Mt. Saint Mary's College and released the tow rope at 4,000 feet and glided in to Fairfield Pa., my glider clubs other field of operations. The thermal updrafts were beginning to be active and we flew above the ski hill for nearly an hour and then landed so that we could give my second friend, who drove to Fairfield from Frederick in a borrowed car, a ride. After circling with other gliders for about 45 minutes, I landed and we drove back to Fredrick to retrieve our bikes and then went exploring the roads between Frederick and Chambersburg Md. We stayed at a super 8 motel there in far greater comfort and only a bit more money. The next day they headed home to Connecticut going north on 81 and then 15 along the Susquehanna river. I went back to Fairfield for the Octoberfest party. I need a few more weekends like that! Jim Furlong From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 00:23:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08283; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12567; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09531; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA10253; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:29:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Amit Chatterjie cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: FW: Dark day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Amit Chatterjie wrote: > > There's only so much power you can get from a 50cc motor > > > Ahem! Tell that to the Italians. Does 16hp 100mph imply anything? Yup, it implies LOTS of engine rebuilding. 8^) Ciao! --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 01:29:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08717; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13646; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10494; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.162] ("port 2057"@[205.177.250.162]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IOW7FUJ6WG8X5P3F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:41:29 EDT Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:40:57 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: hurt report summary To: Donald DiPaula , DC Cycles mailing list Message-id: <01IOW7FYTIIQ8X5P3F@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >27. Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement. I've seen much of the summary from the report before (although there were one or two new things) and this one has always given me pause: Was the 'alcohol involvement' 50% among cyclists only, or the combination of cagers and cyclists? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 08:52:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10872; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17934; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02361; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAC282.29; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:51:10 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017081346.0096be60@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:13:46 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: hurt report summary In-Reply-To: <01IOW7FYTIIQ8X5P3F@delphi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:40 AM 10/17/97 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>27. Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement. > >I've seen much of the summary from the report before (although there were >one or two new things) and this one has always given me pause: Was the >'alcohol involvement' 50% among cyclists only, or the combination of >cagers and cyclists? 50% of the cyclists. The significance is that riders who were actually drunk, who were impaired, and those who used even less alcohol ("just took the edge off", so to speak) are significantly more involved in wrecks that kill riders. It's a jungle out there, and having alcohol in your bloodstream just makes it harder to survive. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 10:55:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12279; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19186; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02726; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA12957 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA31082 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 217) with SMTP id <19971017145351.CNKY755@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:53:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Well this sucks... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971017145351.CNKY755@[166.41.242.141]> Looking over all wx services I can find on the net, it looks like it will rain THE ENTIRE WEEKEND...Sheesh!!! For you 'all-wx-riders', we'll get to check out YOUR rides tommorrow afternoon, everyone else will have to bring a photo. Damn this sucks. Not only won't everyone ride out Saturday, events planned for Sunday will get nixed. Oh well, I guess it's stay home, drink beer and watch football. :) This sucks! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 13:09:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15265; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22588; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07969; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.76.248]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18296; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:08:53 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Well this sucks... Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:06:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971017170852.AAA18296@default> Todd- I called the weather service recording before logging on, and they're calling for light rain for the weekend. At least it's light. Do they run Trials in the rain? I dunno, maybe I'm being a masochist. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 14:28:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16309; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24187; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kilcody.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10324; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.kilcody.com ([10.128.0.110]) by GKCATL01.kilcody.com with ESMTP id <19616>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:19:26 -0400 Received: by mail.kilstock.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <4MVTCRTF>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:34:49 -0400 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: DCcycles Subject: Beginner Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:25:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <97Oct17.141926edt.19616@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> I'm an absolute beginner: I've never ridden a motorcycle, although I've always wanted to learn. I recently signed up for a MSF course in Virginia, and I'm seeking some general advice before I take the course in November. Here are a few of my many questions: 1. After reading some of the posts about the MSF course, I'm beginning to wonder just how difficult it will be for a beginner like myself. I've ridden bicycles all my life, and all of my cars have been manual transmission models. Also, I'm fairly tall--6'. Am I going to be able to pass the course? 2. If I pass the course, and if I decide to buy a bike, I'll probably look for a used dual sport in the 250cc range. I live in D.C., so I'd use it primarily for short trips in the city, although I'd like to try some off-road riding at some point. Is this a good choice for a beginner? 3. How difficult is it to learn basic motorcycle maintenance? It sounds like motorcycles require much more regular maintenance than cars, and I'm no mechanical engineer. 4. What about insurance (i.e., what type, how much, etc.)? Thanks in advance for your help. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:08:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16910; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24626; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11767; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:05:42 -0400 Message-ID: <04C6473401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <01C6473401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:07:09 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DCcycles) Subject: Re: Beginner Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway 1. yes. 2. no, try a standard. 500cc or bigger for someone your size. Street riding is very different than dirt riding...people are constantly trying to KILL you. 3. easy. motorcycles require very little maintenance, if you do it regularly. If you don't they need a LOT of maintenance. 4. I ain't touching that one... Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:34:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17434; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28443; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12875; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA07767; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:39:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Slawson, Kurt" cc: DCcycles Subject: Re: Beginner In-Reply-To: <97Oct17.141926edt.19616@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > I'm an absolute beginner: I've never ridden a motorcycle, although > I've always wanted to learn. I recently signed up for a MSF course in > Virginia, and I'm seeking some general advice before I take the course > in November. Here are a few of my many questions: > > 1. After reading some of the posts about the MSF course, I'm > beginning to wonder just how difficult it will be for a beginner like > myself. I've ridden bicycles all my life, and all of my cars have been > manual transmission models. Also, I'm fairly tall--6'. Am I going to > be able to pass the course? People seem to. > > 2. If I pass the course, and if I decide to buy a bike, I'll > probably look for a used dual sport in the 250cc range. I live in D.C., > so I'd use it primarily for short trips in the city, although I'd like > to try some off-road riding at some point. Is this a good choice for a > beginner? > Will be easy to learn on and ride; good in the city and burbs, but too small for high speed roads. Dual tires are treacherous in the rain, and winter is not a great set of conditions for learning to ride. > 3. How difficult is it to learn basic motorcycle maintenance? > It sounds like motorcycles require much more regular maintenance than > cars, and I'm no mechanical engineer. > Compared to what? Requires much more (but easier) maintenance than cars. > 4. What about insurance (i.e., what type, how much, etc.)? > Check dc-cycles archives for that. > Thanks in advance for your help. > You're welcome. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:58:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17813; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01962; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13605; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000037.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.49]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00156; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:56:02 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9710171449.AA06014@204.91.98.131> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:49:06 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: "Slawson, Kurt" , DCcycles Subject: Re: Beginner Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline > 2. If I pass the course, and if I decide to buy a bike, I'll > probably look for a used dual sport in the 250cc range. I live in > D.C., so I'd use it primarily for short trips in the city, although > I'd like to try some off-road riding at some point. Is this a good > choice for a beginner? A. You'll pass! Not because you're tall, manual transmission, etc, but because you'll work at it! :) The other factors will help, though. B. The dual-sport, definately, IMHO, because of 2 reasons: 1. Dual-sports are light, and easy to learn on because of it. A 250 is plenty of power, just starting out. 2. Riding off road is a TON of fun, getting away from all the traffic, etc. That's how I started, and I loved it. Problem is, I don't know where to ride around here, esp in DC... C. Insurance on a dual-sport shouldn't be too exp. I pay about $500/year for a 750 NIghthawk (street) and it was brand new. I'm 24 and married, though marital status didn't matter...I'm no more mature now than when I was single..:) Good luck! Matt 95 Nighthawk yes this weather does suck! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:59:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17827; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02053; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13642; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id PAA028.50; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:57:08 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017152846.0095ce90@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:28:46 -0400 To: DCcycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Beginner In-Reply-To: <97Oct17.141926edt.19616@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:25 PM 10/17/97 -0400, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > 1. After reading some of the posts about the MSF course, I'm >beginning to wonder just how difficult it will be for a beginner like >myself. I've ridden bicycles all my life, and all of my cars have been >manual transmission models. Also, I'm fairly tall--6'. Am I going to >be able to pass the course? Yes, if you can ride a bicycle, you can (and most likely will) learn to ride a motorcycle in the MSF course. > 2. If I pass the course, and if I decide to buy a bike, I'll >probably look for a used dual sport in the 250cc range. I live in D.C., >so I'd use it primarily for short trips in the city, although I'd like >to try some off-road riding at some point. Is this a good choice for a >beginner? Yes. 250 is probably the smallest most folks would recommend for a 6-foot tall rider. It'll be easy to outgrow in a year -- 400-600cc might be a better choice, if you want to mostly ride street. If the off-road capability is an important part of your riding, then 250 sounds about right. > 3. How difficult is it to learn basic motorcycle maintenance? >It sounds like motorcycles require much more regular maintenance than >cars, and I'm no mechanical engineer. Basic maintenance is easy -- changing spark plugs and oil/filter. Get a service manual (preferably a factory service manual) and a reasonably good set of tools (like Craftsman) and be careful. More advance maintenance will come naturally if you desire it and you have reasonable skills, otherwise you'll look for a mechanic who fills your needs. > 4. What about insurance (i.e., what type, how much, etc.)? If it's an older bike, I'd stay with liability-only coverage (this is what I do). If I wreck, the bike is the least of my worries. For an accident-free rider in his/her 30's or 40's, liability insurance can be only $100/year. It goes up from there. If you're a 20-year-old male with a sportbike, you'll be lucky if your insurance payments are less than your bike payments. good luck with your riding course, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 16:42:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18710; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03458; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15424; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.76.203]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA12500; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:41:31 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "DCcycles" Subject: Re: Beginner Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:39:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971017204129.AAA12500@default> Kurt- Same as everybody else, I think the ability to ride a bicycle, drive a M/T car, and some effort, combined with the MSF course and a level head means you should have no trouble. I think everybody passed when I took it. The bike choice is a decent one. I'd even think about the Suzuki DR350. It combines the light weight and low intimidation of a 250 with the power of a 400+, thus giving you longer before you "outgrow" it. It is still beginner friendly, though. Maintenance on a bike like that will be super easy. If you can follow instructions, you can do about anything on it. Get Craftsman tools ($100 should be enough for most everything) and the _factory_ manual. You can add a Clymer manual to your collection, as they are quite handy, especially for the beginner, but the factory manual must be your first resource. I'm sure there are classes at the community college, and some listers have talked about giving some classes, and many of us can help out from time to time. I'll be happy to provide support and equipment as needed. I don't know about DC insurance, but I do know that you should use at least 2 different types of locks, the best ones you can get, especially if you don't have a garage. Maybe 3 or 4 plus a big dog if you don't have a garage in DC. Even on a used small dual sport. Somebody _will_ steal it, even if you put it on your porch. Good luck Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 18:19:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20041; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04635; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17428; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.mnsinc.com (user1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.23]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11995; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (2xracers@localhost) by user1.mnsinc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA29622; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:02:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Slawson, Kurt" cc: DCcycles Subject: Re: Beginner In-Reply-To: <97Oct17.141926edt.19616@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kurt, > 2. If I pass the course, and if I decide to buy a bike, I'll > probably look for a used dual sport in the 250cc range. I live in D.C., > so I'd use it primarily for short trips in the city, although I'd like > to try some off-road riding at some point. Is this a good choice for a > beginner? Since I picked a dual-sport as my first bike after passing the MSF class, I thought I'd answer this part of your question! I have a Yamaha XT350 which weighs about 260 lbs dry. It has a high seat height which I think makes you more visible in traffic, and gives you a good vantage point. It is a lot of fun to ride, although I've stayed away from the city. I've taken it off road once or twice, and it is probably too big/heavy to do "serious" off road with. It'd be perfect for fire roads. It can do 55 mph on the highway, but I don't feel that comfortable with that. The tires are pretty knobby. I think it's an ideal bike for a beginner, especially a tall one! All that said, I'm considering changing over to a streetbike because it's not comfortable for long trips (100+ miles). But, if I wind up keeping it I'll still be having fun! Anita Lauro '94 XT350 PS - Dual sports also don't have a lot of stuff to break when you drop them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 18:20:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20047; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04638; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17451; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.mnsinc.com (user1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.23]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12399; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (2xracers@localhost) by user1.mnsinc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA29846; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:04:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:04:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Slawson, Kurt" cc: DCcycles Subject: Re: Beginner In-Reply-To: <97Oct17.141926edt.19616@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another note about dual sports... cheap insurance. I pay about $160/year on my '94 Yamaha XT350, with "full" coverage. Interestingly enough, the Nighthawk 750 I'm considering would only raise it to about $200. Anita Lauro From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 18:21:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20060; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04654; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17518; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AWheat@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA21504; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971017181214_356796096@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Well this sucks... In a message dated 97-10-17 17:12:18 EDT, you write: > Looking over all wx services I can find on the net, it looks like it > will rain THE ENTIRE WEEKEND...Sheesh!!! > > For you 'all-wx-riders', we'll get to check out YOUR rides tommorrow > afternoon, everyone else will have to bring a photo. > > Damn this sucks. Not only won't everyone ride out Saturday, events > planned for Sunday will get nixed. Oh well, I guess it's stay home, > drink beer and watch football. :) > > This sucks! > > Todd > Yeah, so much for watching the bunch of dead leaves. This does suck! Alan AWheat@XXXXXX http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 18:44:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20346; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04894; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18072; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as18s32.erols.com [207.172.36.95]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA20441; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:44:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017184655.00adcaf4@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:46:55 -0400 To: "Slawson, Kurt" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Beginner In-Reply-To: <97Oct17.141926edt.19616@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > 1. After reading some of the posts about the MSF course, I'm >beginning to wonder just how difficult it will be for a beginner like >myself. I've ridden bicycles all my life, and all of my cars have been >manual transmission models. Also, I'm fairly tall--6'. Am I going to >be able to pass the course? My wife had never been on a m/c before (other than the back), coordination challenged, and no manual tranny experience. Passed with no problems. The MSF instructors are generally extremely good teachers. > 2. If I pass the course, and if I decide to buy a bike, I'll >probably look for a used dual sport in the 250cc range. I live in D.C., >so I'd use it primarily for short trips in the city, although I'd like >to try some off-road riding at some point. Is this a good choice for a >beginner? > There are plenty of great 250 dual sports out there that a 6' person can enjoy and not outgrow. Honda's XR250 is a powerful thumper (and I'm not even a honda person), the Suzuki DR's and Yamha DT's are good, and probably top on power is the Kawi KLR & KLX series. IMHO people that have lots of off road experience are better street riders. They are used to what the bike feels like in a skid, and take care of business. Besides, there is no better feel than launching 30' + in the air and pulling a table top!!! (I used to race those little weed whackers...KX's mainly) > 3. How difficult is it to learn basic motorcycle maintenance? >It sounds like motorcycles require much more regular maintenance than >cars, and I'm no mechanical engineer. > As others have said, 90% of the maintenance is very routine and can be done with household tools. On Single cylinder dual purposes, everythings even easier, including top end rebuilds. > 4. What about insurance (i.e., what type, how much, etc.)? Here we go again...... I pay $216/year for beefed up full coverage on a 93 GSXR750. I am 25, married, 1 ticket (not bad for 4 yrs on it the way I ride), 1 claim Married made no difference in cost. Turning 25 only dropped it like $12/yr. The ticket and claim did not affect anything... Good luck and let us know how everything turns out. Better yet, come to the party tomorrow and hear us all tell tall tall tales. Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ ride.html (ride sheets) bike.html (pics of the bikes) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 23:00:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22293; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06629; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21460; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA20182; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:00:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA28706; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710180300.XAA28706@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, georgehowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hurt report summary Cc: hacker@XXXXXX I really dislike verbiage like "alcohol was involved." Now what does that mean? That the cager was drinking? The biker was drinking? How much? How long before the accident? The implication is that alcohol caused the accident in some way but I suspect it's really just a cop putting a checkmark in a box because there was an empty beer bottle in someone's front seat (must have been the cager then). - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 00:05:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23220; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08187; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22029; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA09073; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971018000221_1734263535@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: kslawson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beginner I had never ridden a motorcycle (and only been a passenger once) prior to taking the MSF course in '93. Found it to be a little challenging, but passed with no real problems. Can't really answer your question about motorcycle maintenance, though, as I still haven't learned how to do much of anything (other than change the oil, check the air pressure, change light bulbs and replace a battery) on my own bike. AND, I'm having one heck of a time finding a reputable mechanic. As for insurance, be sure to shop it around. One number you can call is 800-236-BIKE. It's Markel Insurance, and they gave me the best rate on my '93 Sportster. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 03:43:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA25882; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09568; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA01158; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.122] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.122]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IOXRVJZIDC8X6U9V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:37:44 EDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:37:33 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Beginner To: "Slawson, Kurt" , DCcycles Message-id: <01IOXRVU85Z68X6U9V@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > 1. After reading some of the posts about the MSF course, I'm >beginning to wonder just how difficult it will be for a beginner like >myself. I've ridden bicycles all my life, and all of my cars have been >manual transmission models. Also, I'm fairly tall--6'. Am I going to >be able to pass the course? Maybe, maybe not. I'm 6'1", and took the course about 12 months ago. I passed and got my MD license on Sunday. Make sure you get a Nighthawk instead of a Rebel for riding around the range though;) The manual transmission experience won't help anywhere near as much as the bicycle. I only got into third gear that weekend by really hammering on the bike. Lighter riders may have different experiences:) The big thing to me seemed to be confidence, and once you had your balance, that was fairly easy. My brother (6'0") doesn't have very good balance, so he didn't pass the riding skills portion. But he rode my bike (with a valid learner's permit) some this summer, and seemed to do okay. Shoot, forgot to mention. The only time I had been on a motorcycle before the MSF was sitting in the cycle shop making 'vroom, vroom' noises. > 2. If I pass the course, and if I decide to buy a bike, I'll >probably look for a used dual sport in the 250cc range. I live in D.C., >so I'd use it primarily for short trips in the city, although I'd like >to try some off-road riding at some point. Is this a good choice for a >beginner? Depends. I wish I had gone this route. Right now, I've got a 600cc bike that, while the engine is great, the frame is a bit small. I feel cramped, and the most baggage I can bring is my girlfriend. Unfortunately, the bike was new, so it'll be a few more months before I can get it paid off and buy what I really want. The other trick is that after a few months of riding, you'll know the type of riding you prefer. BTW, size doesn't matter. I thought 600cc's was not a problem for me starting out. But I could keep the right hand under control. If you can't do that, you'll kill yourself on the 250. > 3. How difficult is it to learn basic motorcycle maintenance? >It sounds like motorcycles require much more regular maintenance than >cars, and I'm no mechanical engineer. They require the same amount of maintenance (almost;) but are much simpler vehicles. Plus, on most non-faired bikes, the components are easy to get to. I'd much rather change the oil on my bike than on my Miata. I believe there is a course where you can learn basic maintenance. Or some of us on the list can teach you. > 4. What about insurance (i.e., what type, how much, etc.)? Get as much as you can. You can never have too much, and in my shopping, there was very little difference in price based on coverage levels. I can't even tell you what to get. I told my agent to give me as much as possible, and that's what I got. Go to your car insurance co. first. I'm paying $350 per year for a 1996 Kawasaki Eliminator. 600cc cruiser. The closest any other company would come was progressive at $600 per year. Having the MSF course, and being 25 or older helps (I'll qualify for the latter in a few months, just about the time I'm ready for a bigger bike!! And State Farm doesn't have MSF discounts:( Also, if they ask you, tell them you have been riding motorcycles and dirtbikes since you were a kid. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 04:21:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA26126; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA09933; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01519; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.122] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.122]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IOXRVJZIDC8X6U9V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:37:54 EDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:37:54 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: party (2) To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IOXRW5OHQK8X6U9V@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >however, that's still contingent on finding >someone to watch or 7 1/2 mo/ old ankle biter. Any listers not going to >the party?? :) You don't have any saddlebags? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 12:28:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27939; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12236; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03138; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA05441; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971018122702_763206684@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: georgehowell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: baggage GEORGE! In a message dated 97-10-18 03:48:47 EDT, you write: << Right now, I've got a 600cc bike that, while the engine is great, the frame is a bit small. I feel cramped, and the most baggage I can bring is my girlfriend. >> Don't let her find out you call her "baggage", mate. 8-O Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 14:56:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29099; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12881; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04640; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28035 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344930A2.7E07@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:56:50 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Party on Garth...? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Todd & Brian, Is the party still on... or what? I'm up for it despite the grey skies. However I need directions... Later, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 15:11:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29261; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12992; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04790; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.75.157]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA25610; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:10:12 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: Subject: Re: Party on Garth...? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:07:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971018191011.AAA25610@default> John- I don't think Brian or Todd are likely to see this soon enough to do you any good, so here's the directions. Give Todd a call so he knows you're coming (phone # at bottom). He's out now but should be home by 3:30ish. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 06:01:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05250; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 06:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21583; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 05:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA12196; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 05:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.160] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.160]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IOXWFHAWTC8X7IZU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:47:15 EDT Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 05:47:13 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Beginner To: klthomas@XXXXXX, "Slawson, Kurt" , DCcycles Message-id: <01IOXWFHUQK28X7IZU@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On the topic of tools, I just picked up a 99 piece Craftsmen set of metric only tools for $80. (It has been replaced by a 90 piece set for $100). Why metric only? Because the other 200 tools I have were for when I had a Jeep, ie, all standard fasteners. Only had a few metrics. Not a bad start if you also pick up a few screwdrivers and a pair or two of pliers. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 12:30:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06631; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22851; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14361; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21592 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344A5FCD.1F09@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:30:21 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Party On Todd ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo' Y'all: Last night saw the 1st DC-Cycles-Summit Party given by our affable host Mr. Todd Peers. The moto-gods collaborated with the wx-gods to give us a respite from the dreary weather once again upon us. For those of you who were not in attendance, rest assured you were gossiped about. Kudos to Dale "The Horkster" who prepared a great lasagna (buon apetito!). Todd pleased everyone (well, me anyway!) with his wide selection of potent, homebrewed potables. Kudos too, to those who provided the other provisions including those great ribs :) Honda V4s seemed to be the bikes of choice in attendance what with my '85 "Stealth" (get -those-frigging-yellow-lights-outta-my-face) Interceptor, Kevin Thomas's pristine '87, Jim W and Mark Truelove's VFRs, and the loquacious but charming Jeannette's VF500. (Do we include ST's in the V4 group too? Nah! ;) Unfortunately, due to my advancing years and my inability to keep up with the young 'uns - yeah, right ;^D - I was among the first to leave so I have no idea whether any laws or mores were broken after my early (nine-ish) departure. Specifically I was wondering whether: - Brian McCoy's rat-trap was towed to the nearest salvage yard following complaints from various neighbors; - Any beer was left in the refrig-keg setup in Todd's sanctum sanctorum - read the smoking/drinking porch; - Squeakers was able to get away from cleaning hubby's arms cache and/or restringing his bow; - Jeannette's midriff was cold on her ride home; - Colin's wife's friend Laura went back home with them? Seriously, it was great to see the faces that contribute to our little communal subculture! Looking forward to the next gathering... Thanks Todd for a great party! JK (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 17:44:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09150; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26418; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18363; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA19192; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:48:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:48:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Skip Farmer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Turn signal problem In-Reply-To: <9710081006.ZM12893@shadow.clubfed.sgi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Still sounds like a bad ground or bulb socket/holder. Scrape/wirebrush connectors, ground, and bulb holder again. Not too many things it can be, unless you believe in evil spirits. --garcia On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Skip Farmer wrote: > Could use some help: > > Have an '87 Suzuki GS 450 and the front left indicator went out. No problem (at > first) figured it was the bulb. Changed it out, still no go. Began looking for > a bad ground or loose wire but still cannot find anything. The only other > symptom is that if I am stopped the back indicator comes on solid. If I am > driving the back indicator flashes slowly. > > Any help would be appreciated, > > Skip > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 19:34:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10056; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27052; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19548; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA02950 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971019193636.00915d80@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:36:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: A good time... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, Todd, for a great gathering. It was cool meeting everyone. Also had a nice ride with Todd, Kevin, Linda and Sean today to the trials in Jefferson (?), PA. It sure is nice to find a local (sort of) list where there's some _activity_ -- the kind out in the real world, that is. Looking forward to more! MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 20:10:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10284; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27586; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19896; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA28999; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:09:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA25889; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:09:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.107]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971020000946.KPB14080@[166.41.110.107]>; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:09:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Party On Todd ! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971020000946.KPB14080@[166.41.110.107]> Thanks John and to everyone else who made it out. I don't want to speak for everyone, but I think its safe to say we all had a great time. Brian was thoughtful enough to bring in his Performance Bikes video that, after numerous viewings, began to show some streaking. Oh yea, there was some real streaking in the vid too :P Happy Birthday to Kevin Thomas and Jeannette Obrian. Kevin makes a real tasty cake that actually goes well with beer! Dale (aka the Horkster) really knows his lasagna. And man-o-man was there a lot of that. No need to order out....Yum! The day after brought myself, Linda Tanner, Kevin Thomas, Mark (?), and Sean Sullivan out for a ride into Jefferson, PA to watch some Trials riding. Very cool! Thank the rain gods for keeping away after all. We had three relatively newbies to the list join us, which I thought showed real enthusiasm and helped make this summit a real success. They were (and I don't remember last names), Ted (CB750), Mark (VFR), and Sean Sullivan (CBR600). Here's who made it, ranked by who had the best bike :-P Riders......... ME (ST1100, CB750...I live here, but I did ride Saturday) Jim Furlong (ST1100) Ted (CB750) And some other people......just kidding! Don't kill me if I don't remember everyone and your rides....speak up though and be counted John Kozyn (VFR) Kevin Thomas (VFR) Mark (?..VFR and a nice bottle of vino) Richard Westbrook (VFR) Dale (?.. 1000cc ?) ...and damned tasty lasagna Traci (Dales Wife on a Savage) Linda Tanner (CBR) Sean Sullivan (CBR) Jeannette Obrian (VF5) Jim (Jeannettes friend...BMW-K) Cagers....... Morris Berman (wished you coulda' stayed a bit longer...) Brian McCoy (Cool vid...and Bass Ale) Julio Gagnon (not officially on the list, but a good friend of mine... sometimes known as 'road comet' for the way he slides around on it) Glenn Dysart (Man knows his beer...after my own heart) Tim (?...Glenn Dysarts friend who wants to ride and thought a bunch of hooligans could convince him too. Tim the dealer ain't open on Sunday ;) Collin Fagan, His wife Penny and their lovely friend Laura (who DID go home with the Fagans) Jimi (?), and Becky (he has a disabled Monster...Yow!) If I missed anyone, I'm sorry. Ring in here and be counted though. This gathering turned out a lot better than I thought it would considering not everyone knew everyone else except by email-id and sig. And if I missed you let the list know since you were a part of the fun. To those that missed it, what can I say. It was fun and I hope you can make it next time when we do it again. In the springtime for sure. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ John Kozyn wrote: >Yo' Y'all: > >Last night saw the 1st DC-Cycles-Summit Party given by our affable host >Mr. Todd Peers. The moto-gods collaborated with the wx-gods to give us a >respite from the dreary weather once again upon us. For those of you who >were not in attendance, rest assured you were gossiped about. > >Kudos to Dale "The Horkster" who prepared a great lasagna (buon >apetito!). Todd pleased everyone (well, me anyway!) with his wide >selection of potent, homebrewed potables. Kudos too, to those who >provided the other provisions including those great ribs :) > >Honda V4s seemed to be the bikes of choice in attendance what with my >'85 "Stealth" (get -those-frigging-yellow-lights-outta-my-face) >Interceptor, Kevin Thomas's pristine '87, Jim W and Mark Truelove's >VFRs, and the loquacious but charming Jeannette's VF500. (Do we include >ST's in the V4 group too? Nah! ;) > >Unfortunately, due to my advancing years and my inability to keep up >with the young 'uns - yeah, right ;^D - I was among the first to leave >so I have no idea whether any laws or mores were broken after my early >(nine-ish) departure. > >Specifically I was wondering whether: > >- Brian McCoy's rat-trap was towed to the nearest salvage yard following >complaints from various neighbors; >- Any beer was left in the refrig-keg setup in Todd's sanctum sanctorum >- read the smoking/drinking porch; >- Squeakers was able to get away from cleaning hubby's arms cache and/or >restringing his bow; >- Jeannette's midriff was cold on her ride home; >- Colin's wife's friend Laura went back home with them? > >Seriously, it was great to see the faces that contribute to our little >communal subculture! Looking forward to the next gathering... > >Thanks Todd for a great party! > >JK >(http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 20:13:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10299; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27596; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19926; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA29253; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:13:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id TAA08298; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.107]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971020001300.KQT14080@[166.41.110.107]>; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:13:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Mark E. Truelove" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A good time... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971020001300.KQT14080@[166.41.110.107]> That's it!! Mark Truelove!! Hey everyone Mark rode down from Fells Point in Baltimore last night, rode home, and then rode down again to ride with us to PA. Now THAT's enthusiasm. See ya around guy! Todd Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971019193636.00915d80@mail.clark.net> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:36:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: A good time... Thanks, Todd, for a great gathering. It was cool meeting everyone. Also had a nice ride with Todd, Kevin, Linda and Sean today to the trials in Jefferson (?), PA. It sure is nice to find a local (sort of) list where there's some _activity_ -- the kind out in the real world, that is. Looking forward to more! MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 22:10:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11105; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00798; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21355; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.77.86]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA21538 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:02:25 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: party report Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:00:03 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971020010223.AAA21538@default> Hey, y'all- Thanks Todd and all who attended; I had a great birthday and enjoyed meeting those of you who were new to me. For those who didn't make it, phhhblllttttt!!! We had lots of good food and drink, cool bikes, plenty o' raucous laughter and yelling, some cool videos, cake, and talk. Glenn and Todd took Squeakers' absence pretty hard. They took turns chasing each other around the yard screaming at the top of their lungs, one with antlers tied to his head, the other with a hatchet. They eventually worked out whatever issues they had and came back inside, winded but uninjured. Jeannette and I were able to blow out our 60 candles before they burned down to nothing, or set the house on fire. I'd like to know what she wished for..... But if we tell, we won't get our wishes. A few diehards got breakfast at Bob Evans (slogan: "Beats the Hell Out of Denny's") this morning and headed up to PA for the trials. It was intense. The stuff these guys negotiated with these little bikes was unbelievable. Like riding over a 2.5 foot diameter (or more) log from a stop, uphill, after turning the bike around in its length, all without putting down their feet. Really, mere words cannot do it justice. At least not my mere words.... Look for Todd to be buying a trials bike soon. Setting a new DC-Cycles record, five of us rode over 200 miles and nobody wrecked. And we didn't ride slow, either. We took the GW to Clara Barton to McArthur (which was damp and slippy. Damn!) to Falls, River, Seneca, 28, 118, 355, 27 to the end, and then I don't know what into PA. We were probably no more than 20 miles over the state line. Hanover is the nearest place I'd heard of. The roads were big and smooth enough to make good time on, with plenty of good passing zones, but not too straight and boring. No chicken stripes on our tires!! The weather was gray and cold, but we didn't get wet. We had 2 VFRs, 2 CBR600s, and an ST1100, a good group of capable bikes and riders. And it was so nice to ride with folks who I knew wouldn't hesitate to follow me when making a pass. Don't you hate passing a car and having to wait 20 miles until your riding buddy gets around it? I think I saw 110 on one long pass, but I wasn't looking. I know we'll do this again, and I hope the rest of you can get out for it. If Squeakers skips it again, I don't know what Todd and Glenn will do..... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 22:59:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11448; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01760; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21995; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as1s62.erols.com [207.172.110.62]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA05431; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:58:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199710200258.WAA05431@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:01:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: party report Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > If Squeakers skips it again, I don't know what Todd and Glenn will do..... > Go ahead. Make me feel worse than I already do that I couldnt go. go ahead. rag on. I WILL go to a Spring party. The ONLY time I CANT is October, November and during Sturgis time next year. I WILL make a Spring party. Save this message as proof to shove in my face next spring if ya dont believe me, but I WILL make it for a spring party. Pat promised. and no.. the deer didnt come close enough Saturday, so he didnt get anything. Besides.. I think ya'll had more fun gossiping about how awful I am, and how I dont understand anything, and how I have everything all wrong etcetcetc, than ya woulda had if Id actually BEEN there to defend myself, right? :) I mean.. if Id been there, I coulda once again proved everyone else wrong about absolutely everything. Right? You know. Like I always do on this list. Im always right. Everyone else is always wrong. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 08:31:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15115; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06169; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27703; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13397 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:31:29 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCDD32.B9F55E60@XXXXXX>; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCDD32.B9F55E60@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: dc-cycles Subject: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:32:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Before I begin a rant about a bike shop north of Hanover Pa., I would = really appreciate some responses to the following. Is it at all common for dealers to not start bikes up for potential = customers? Is it at all common for dealers to not allow potential customers to = start bikes up for themselves? Was this possible just a schizophrenic shop? Has liability gotten so bad that test rides are becoming extinct? Should I call back and attempt to talk to owner again? On 4 October after attending a AMA sponsored event while traveling from = the White Rose MC grounds to the Carlise PA Fall Car event, my Wife and = I spied a 71 T100 and a 72 Triumph Street Scrambler (the rebadged BSA = design) from the road and stopped to check them out. Went in the bike = shop and rec'd good courtesy service and a price quote on the two bikes = and some other sundry pieces parts. On Tuesday 15 October followed-up with a phone call to confirm price and = availability and had the price raised $300, the lowered back down to = $150 over the price given on the 4th. Apparently the mechanic = low-balled the figure and the owner gave the total on the 15th. On waking Saturday the 18th, I found the weather to be much better than = predicted, woke the wife, hitched up the trailer, stopped at the bank = (the owner stated a strong preference for cash), and off we went to = Hanover. Got to the bike shop about 40 min. before closing and went in. = Here is were it got interesting. They were obviously closing and there = was some tension in the air. When the lady behind the counter got = around to me, I recognized that they were about 30 min before their = closing time, asked if they still had the two bikes, if I could see = them, start the up and the like. Her response was, yes, no and hell no. I'll quote her on this, "We = don't start up bikes unless you're going to buy today." My response: "I won't buy, if I can't start them." Her: "We'd spend all day starting-up bikes. If you going to buy, we'll = start them." The conversation went farther were upon I was informed that, not only = would I not be allowed to start them myself, but I would not be allowed = to ride them period. I could however watch her mechanic ride them = around the lot. The reason for this was that they had no Dealer Plate. = Once I talked her into starting the bikes, she told the mechanic to = start them up, but not to put the Dealer Plate on either. When I asked = "Excuse me, you just said you had no Dealer Plate." She gave an answer = referencing some friend that loaned them the plate..." I then left. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 08:31:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15120; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06137; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27695; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:32:07 -0400 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01C353C9@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Party On Todd ! Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:32:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Todd, thanx for hosting the party. It was nice meeting those of you that I hadn't met and good to see those I already had. I think everyone had a good time and the food and brews were terrific. I generally don't like home brews but Todd, yours are top notch. Horkster, fantastic lasagna!!! Whoever made the pasta salad also fantastic. I'm looking forward to the next party maybe I'll ride to that one, I guess it depends on the homebrews! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX (no, I'm not 45) 84 V30 Magna > Thanks John and to everyone else who made it out. I don't want to > speak for everyone, but I think its safe to say we all had a great > time. Brian was thoughtful enough to bring in his Performance Bikes > video that, after numerous viewings, began to show some streaking. > Oh yea, there was some real streaking in the vid too :P > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 08:38:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15292; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06287; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scdh-99.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27793; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by scdh-99.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00171 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:38:35 -0400 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199710201238.IAA00171@scdh-99.umd.edu> Subject: Fairing painting? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife (Erika) just found a used Spec-II fairing for my Hawk GT. Now, spread out in many pieces in the garage is a wonderful fairing, that looks like heck, because it needs to be painted to match. The previous owner started wet-sanding it, but much more needs to be done. Before I do any more work on this, I want to talk to a painter, so I can be sure to prepare it the way that he wants it done, for the best possible results. I'm looking for some personal testimonials, and possibly the chance to see some results (pictures or the actual bike). Of course price matters, but quality is the most important part. Matt ----------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/ | From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 08:56:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15558; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06404; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28013; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29685 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:56:19 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:56:19 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:58:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT Sounds like the folks at Hall's Honda in Leesburg moved north after they sold their shop. I would NEVER buy a used bike that I intended to ride without a personal check ride - a new bike is a somewhat different story. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 09:53:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16128; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07710; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29231; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA04476; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:52:48 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D111F4A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Party On Todd ! Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:51:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I had a great time! My midriff was covered on the way home, but I was still cold...not bad, though. Now I've tackled 395 AND 495 in one day! I did get left behind, though...I think I need a new riding partner!! The lasagna was fab and Glenn sure looked a lot younger than I'd pictured! ; ) Thanks again, all - looking forward to the Spring party! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn [SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 1997 3:30 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Party On Todd ! > > Yo' Y'all: > > Last night saw the 1st DC-Cycles-Summit Party given by our affable > host > Mr. Todd Peers. The moto-gods collaborated with the wx-gods to give us > a > respite from the dreary weather once again upon us. For those of you > who > were not in attendance, rest assured you were gossiped about. > > Kudos to Dale "The Horkster" who prepared a great lasagna (buon > apetito!). Todd pleased everyone (well, me anyway!) with his wide > selection of potent, homebrewed potables. Kudos too, to those who > provided the other provisions including those great ribs :) > > Honda V4s seemed to be the bikes of choice in attendance what with my > '85 "Stealth" (get -those-frigging-yellow-lights-outta-my-face) > Interceptor, Kevin Thomas's pristine '87, Jim W and Mark Truelove's > VFRs, and the loquacious but charming Jeannette's VF500. (Do we > include > ST's in the V4 group too? Nah! ;) > > Unfortunately, due to my advancing years and my inability to keep up > with the young 'uns - yeah, right ;^D - I was among the first to leave > so I have no idea whether any laws or mores were broken after my early > (nine-ish) departure. > > Specifically I was wondering whether: > > - Brian McCoy's rat-trap was towed to the nearest salvage yard > following > complaints from various neighbors; > - Any beer was left in the refrig-keg setup in Todd's sanctum > sanctorum > - read the smoking/drinking porch; > - Squeakers was able to get away from cleaning hubby's arms cache > and/or > restringing his bow; > - Jeannette's midriff was cold on her ride home; > - Colin's wife's friend Laura went back home with them? > > Seriously, it was great to see the faces that contribute to our little > communal subculture! Looking forward to the next gathering... > > Thanks Todd for a great party! > > JK > (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:01:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16328; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07836; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29573; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 44b61750; Mon, 20 Oct 97 09:49:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: <44b61750@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. To: dc-cycles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I hope you waved a bunch of cash in her face as you walked out of there. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:12:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16408; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08002; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29817; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:11:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA03215 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:11:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199710201411.AA03215@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:11:22 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:11:22 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:11:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 9:55:33 -0400 Subject: Re: hurt report summary To: hacker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, georgehowell@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199710180300.XAA28706@clark.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ..its like when I read that someone tested postive for drug use following an accident...even through there's no proof that the person was under the influence of said drug (we all know that some drugs will test positive in your blood/urine even weeks after the effects have long passed), while they were driving, the statistics and police report will indicate that drugs was a determining factor in the accident. -aki > > I really dislike verbiage like "alcohol was involved." Now what does that > mean? That the cager was drinking? The biker was drinking? How much? > How long before the accident? The implication is that alcohol caused > the accident in some way but I suspect it's really just a cop putting > a checkmark in a box because there was an empty beer bottle in someone's > front seat (must have been the cager then). > > - Hacker > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:31:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16918; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08788; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00892; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA01598 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:31:12 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma001518; Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:30:53 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA14667; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA877356582; Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:28:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9710208773.AA877356582@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:08:42 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: Party On Todd ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And I'm not the angry punk rocker she imagined either.. hrm, 6'4" granola confused with angry punk - must be the air down there at that 5'3" level or something.. :P Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I had a great time! My midriff was covered on the way home, but I was still cold...not bad, though. Now I've tackled 395 AND 495 in one day! I did get left behind, though...I think I need a new riding partner!! The lasagna was fab and Glenn sure looked a lot younger than I'd pictured! ; ) Thanks again, all - looking forward to the Spring party! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:33:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16967; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08839; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01020; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA16457; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D111F52@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "O'Brien, Jeannette" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Party On Todd ! Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:31:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, babe! I'm 5'7"! I don't look that short from that high, do I? > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 11:09 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; jlobrien@XXXXXX > Subject: Re[2]: Party On Todd ! > > > And I'm not the angry punk rocker she imagined either.. hrm, 6'4" > > granola confused with angry punk - must be the air down there at > that > 5'3" level or something.. :P > > > Brian > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > > > I had a great time! My midriff was covered on the way home, but I was > > still cold...not bad, though. > Now I've tackled 395 AND 495 in one day! I did get left behind, > though...I think I need a new riding partner!! > The lasagna was fab and Glenn sure looked a lot younger than I'd > pictured! ; ) > Thanks again, all - looking forward to the Spring party! > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:36:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16991; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08922; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01101; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:32:26 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:35:54 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Enjoyed the D.C. Cycles party and the chance to meet some of the list members. Thanks, Todd, for hosting it! I had a great time on Sunday going to the observed trials with Todd, Linda, Kevin and Mark. The gymnastics of the competitors were impressive enough, and we took some great roads to get up there, roads I was unfamiliar with after River Road. Looking forward to more rides, Sean 95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:43:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17072; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09183; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01389; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) id KAA238.03; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:42:42 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971020090429.009a1100@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:04:29 -0400 To: Dark Hacker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, georgehowell@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: hurt report summary Cc: hacker@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199710180300.XAA28706@clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:00 PM 10/17/97 -0400, Dark Hacker wrote: > >I really dislike verbiage like "alcohol was involved." Now what does that >mean? That the cager was drinking? The biker was drinking? How much? >How long before the accident? The implication is that alcohol caused >the accident in some way but I suspect it's really just a cop putting >a checkmark in a box because there was an empty beer bottle in someone's >front seat (must have been the cager then). I see your point, but rather than try to measure "how drunk" the cadaver is, the big point here is that any alcohol involvement means the people have less chance of surviving. Having a substance in your blood that is known to degrade your judgement and coordination is not a survival tactic. Drink ... or ride ... but don't do both. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:44:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17095; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09197; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01395; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s58.erols.com [207.172.110.121]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18235; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710201444.KAA18235@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , "Brian McCoy" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:46:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Party On Todd ! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > And I'm not the angry punk rocker she imagined either.. hrm, 6'4" > granola confused with angry punk - must be the air down there at that > 5'3" level or something.. :P > > > Brian Hey, you! Short jokes are NOT allowed!!!!!!! Short people are the SPICE in LIFE!!!!!! Squeakers- 4' 11 3/4" of spice! ( and in perfect reach of vulnerable areas in 6'4" maletype creatures) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:52:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17178; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09264; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01539; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA04115 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:51:42 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma004018; Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:51:11 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA15166 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA877358133; Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:48:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9710208773.AA877358133@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:33:55 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: speaking of new bikes.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just contacted MuZ of America regarding the new Laverda 750s (inline 750 twin for those who don't know - oh, street bike too). If anyone's interested in what they had to say regarding availability, price, colors.. let me know and I'll gladly forward you the return letter. I have to speak higly at this time, they responded to a Monday morning letter in about 15 minutes. Regarding the drunken stupor Todd fell into on Saturday night.. well, I think he was enjoying the 'streaking' on my PB video just a TAD to much - the Lasagnia, was - as everyone else mentioned, awesome. The cake DID go with the beer.. either that or I had to much beer. Unfortunataly I wasn't able to join the others for their trip to the observed trials the next day because of sleep (hey, I only made it home at 2am). anyway.. my rambling is about to stop.. promise. ride safe.. (if you can ride at all... counts me out). Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 11:30:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17717; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10017; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02966; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19775; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BEGRIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06407 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710201540.LAA06407@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FOR SALE: 1995 ZX-11D Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:31:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1995 Kawasaki ZX-11D $ 7,200/Or Best Offer Call: (703) 968-3023 Approximately 8,500 Miles Condition: Mint, Garage/Kept Indoors Color: Purple Black Pearl Metallic Warranty: Remainder of Full Factory Kawasaki Extension Corbin Gunfighter Seat & Removable Lady Backrest (Also still have factory seat in 100% condition) (Will sell seperate, both Corbin pieces for $300.00) Muzzy Titanium Exhaust & Headers (weighs only 7 lbs!) DynoJet Tuned w/Factory Jet Kit: 135 Rear Wheel HP (Also still have complete factory exhaust system) (Will sell seperate, fits '93-97, Muzzy $ 495 complete) Scorpio Alarm System w/Remote and Perimeter Sensor Option Lockhart Tinted Euro-Windscreen (Also still have original) Maintenance: Full Synthetic Fluids @ 2000/Mile Increments. Oil & Filters, K&N Air Cleaner, Fuel Filter, New EBC Brake Pads (F & R), Castrol Synthetic DOT4 Brake & Clutch Fluid, Safety Wired Drain Plug & Oil Filter Bolt, New Factory NGK Plugs & Dyno Tuning (August '97). New Bridgestone Battlax BT-57 Tires (F & R) New D.I.D. Gold 530X Chain New Sprockets, 16T Steel (F), 45T Aluminum (R) This bike is in superior condition with tremendous power and over $2000 in aftermarket accessories and maintenance. Original owner, paid $ 10,300.00 + Warranty @ Coleman 04/95. My average annual insurance cost (full coverage) is $ 480.00 Sell for $ 7200/obo... (703) 968-3023 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 11:37:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17841; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10203; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emh3.arl.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03246; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by emh3.arl.mil (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 44b77b00; Mon, 20 Oct 97 11:24:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:38:52 -0400 Message-ID: <44b77b00@emh3.arl.mil> From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Shorts To: , "Brian McCoy" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > Hey, you! Short jokes are NOT allowed!!!!!!! Short people >are the SPICE in LIFE!!!!!! Thats right!, just chop 'em up and sprinkle 'em on! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 11:50:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18033; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10411; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout23.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03615; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout23.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA22275; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971020114301_1656153328@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: rjohns3@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. In a message dated 97-10-20 08:37:48 EDT, you write: << efore I begin a rant about a bike shop north of Hanover Pa., I would really appreciate some responses to the following. Is it at all common for dealers to not start bikes up for potential customers? Is it at all common for dealers to not allow potential customers to start bikes up for themselves? Was this possible just a schizophrenic shop? Has liability gotten so bad that test rides are becoming extinct? Should I call back and attempt to talk to owner again? On 4 October after attending a AMA sponsored event while traveling from the White Rose MC grounds to the Carlise PA Fall Car event, my Wife and I spied a 71 T100 and a 72 Triumph Street Scrambler (the rebadged BSA design) from the road and stopped to check them out. Went in the bike shop and rec'd good courtesy service and a price quote on the two bikes and some other sundry pieces parts. On Tuesday 15 October followed-up with a phone call to confirm price and availability and had the price raised $300, the lowered back down to $150 over the price given on the 4th. Apparently the mechanic low-balled the figure and the owner gave the total on the 15th. On waking Saturday the 18th, I found the weather to be much better than predicted, woke the wife, hitched up the trailer, stopped at the bank (the owner stated a strong preference for cash), and off we went to Hanover. Got to the bike shop about 40 min. before closing and went in. Here is were it got interesting. They were obviously closing and there was some tension in the air. When the lady behind the counter got around to me, I recognized that they were about 30 min before their closing time, asked if they still had the two bikes, if I could see them, start the up and the like. Her response was, yes, no and hell no. I'll quote her on this, "We don't start up bikes unless you're going to buy today." >> In my years working for small and mega-mall dealerships, I have found myself playing the "bastard" and the "prince". The "prince" because it is my nature, the "bastard" by mistake just before closing. After a 60 hour work week, to have a customer show up just before closing with business to do that will obviously keep you past that happy hour (sometimes they KNOW when that is) can make the best of us feel like slapping a nun. Dealers differ just as people and moods differ. Don't be so quick to judge. But DO let the dealer principal know your feelings, they need you to make a living (though I've seen some that don't act like it). Remember we all need a second chance, just like that death-bed confession thing. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 11:50:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18040; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10421; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03623; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:50:29 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA10671; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971020114757_1757154418@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short In a message dated 97-10-20 10:58:40 EDT, you write: << Hey, you! Short jokes are NOT allowed!!!!!!! Short people are the SPICE in LIFE!!!!!! Squeakers- 4' 11 3/4" of spice! ( and in perfect reach of vulnerable areas in 6'4" maletype creatures) >> Squeakers, and others, please answer: at what height is one short? Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 12:09:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18408; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10721; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04364; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IP121XPR5S8X3YUM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:41 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:26 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:26 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Short To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1295IBP2MAQX X400-MTS-identifier: [;62012102017991/2046144@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >In a message dated 97-10-20 10:58:40 EDT, you write: >Squeakers, and others, please answer: at what height is one short? For men, you are short if you're 5'6" or below! Kirk, a tall 5'6.5" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 12:11:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18440; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10758; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04401; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA14392 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:11:29 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma014318; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:11:09 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA17367 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA877362793; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:08:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9710208773.AA877362793@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 11:53:00 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Shorts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And you know, short people fit nicely in those automatic food processor thingys.. easier to chop. Me, heck.. my foot would get caught it's so big. Squeakers - tell ya what, I'll let you know when it starts to rain, you let me know when it starts to flood.. ok? Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Hey, you! Short jokes are NOT allowed!!!!!!! Short people >are the SPICE in LIFE!!!!!! Thats right!, just chop 'em up and sprinkle 'em on! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 12:35:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18824; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10959; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05140; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07959 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:35:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25588 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710201635.MAA25588@clark.net> Subject: Re: Short To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:35:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: Kirk Roy > > >In a message dated 97-10-20 10:58:40 EDT, you write: > >Squeakers, and others, please answer: at what height is one short? > > For men, you are short if you're 5'6" or below! > > Kirk, a tall 5'6.5" I'm short?!?!?! Geeze, guess I'll have to sign up for the short rider's list. Louis, a tall short guy at 5' 5.5" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | The shortest distance between any two points is boring. | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 13:13:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19317; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11406; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06196; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s58.erols.com [207.172.110.121]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26743; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710201710.NAA26743@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Kirk Roy Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:13:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > >In a message dated 97-10-20 10:58:40 EDT, you write: > >Squeakers, and others, please answer: at what height is one short? > > For men, you are short if you're 5'6" or below! > > Kirk, a tall 5'6.5" > > > Ok, back when I took time to do the internet stuff, I was on a newsgroup called. alt.tinygirls. The "official" tinygirl height was pretty much considered anything under 5'3". I always considered myself to be a tad over 5 foot, cuz at one time someone told me I was. Doin all this "motorcycle fittin feet onna ground" stuff, though, got me measurin and double checkin...and I hadnt QUITE made the 5 feet mark. Gotta admit that I never thought of myself as short, though, until I started riding by myself and had to go through HELL to get my feet down. And find chaps that fit AND let my feet move.(not all bunched up) AND find boots a tad too long that I can STILL walk in AND reach the gears with my toe. (even if I do walk a little clumsy) AND find warm gloves that arent twice the length of my fingers. (ever wonder why I wear fingerless ones for as looong as I can?) People that make bikes and motorcycle clothes obviously think us folks under 5'3" and with short stumpy fingers and feet, and legs (thank god Im not a man, cuz then Id ALSO have a short stumpy.. nevermind) just dont NEED our feet on the ground or our fingers fitting in the gloves or our toes reaching gears. They dont even care how far the reach is for the handle thingys that control the front brake and clutch! So WHAT if we have to brake or pull in the clutch with the TIPS of our OUTSTRETCHED fingers! With as many women as there is riding now, MAYBE SOMEONE with SOME intelligence (means it'll have to be a woman) will FINALLY get on the horn and start DOING something for the GROWING women market. a LOT of whom are NOT tall. We dont all need or care about the pretty barely there "riding" clothes. We need substance and use. We're in the DRIVERS seat now. Im ranting. Ah, well...this IS a subject that hits home, ya know. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 13:24:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19586; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11509; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elwood.cais.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06680; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.161.65.74] (richwest.cais.com [206.161.65.74]) by elwood.cais.com (8.8.7/Elwood) with ESMTP id NAA16785 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:23:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: richwest@XXXXXX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Richard Westbrook Subject: Great Party Thanks for hosting a great party Todd. Everything worked out and even the weather cooperated for the most part. Next time it is going to be a real toss-up on wheter to ride the bike or partake in the microbrews. It was really great to meet everyone and hopeully if the weather cooperates we can get together for some rides. Richard Westbrook Art Director U.S. Conference of Mayors From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 14:39:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20813; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14005; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09441; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s58.erols.com [207.172.110.121]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22025; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710201849.OAA22025@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , "Brian McCoy", Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:41:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Shorts Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > > Hey, you! Short jokes are NOT allowed!!!!!!! Short people > >are the SPICE in LIFE!!!!!! > > Thats right!, just chop 'em up and sprinkle 'em on! > > Dave > > Naw, I consider us to be more like cinnamon sticks. Ya lick and suck em to get the full flavor. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 14:48:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20971; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14103; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09686; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256536.0067629E ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:49:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256536.006718F6.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:52:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Short Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Squeakers - I belong to a motorcycle mailing list that was created with the short person in mind. Most of us on there are under 5'3". Me? I'm 5' even. I have a 26-27 ish inch inseam which, like you said, makes it challenging to find both rides on which I can reach the ground, and riding wear that doesn't make me look like I'm playing dressup. Email me if you want the address to subscribe. You tall folk can subscribe too, but you have to lower your monitors by about 6 inches. Caron (As a kid, I can remember wanting to grow up so I could see over the bank teller's counter. Well, here I am.. 38.. and I STILL can't see over the counter...) Squeakers Said: Ok, back when I took time to do the internet stuff, I was on a newsgroup called. alt.tinygirls. The "official" tinygirl height was pretty much considered anything under 5'3". I always considered myself to be a tad over 5 foot, cuz at one time someone told me I was. Doin all this "motorcycle fittin feet onna ground" stuff, though, got me measurin and double checkin...and I hadnt QUITE made the 5 feet mark. Gotta admit that I never thought of myself as short, though, until I started riding by myself and had to go through HELL to get my feet down. And find chaps that fit AND let my feet move.(not all bunched up) AND find boots a tad too long that I can STILL walk in AND reach the gears with my toe. (even if I do walk a little clumsy) AND find warm gloves that arent twice the length of my fingers. (ever wonder why I wear fingerless ones for as looong as I can?) People that make bikes and motorcycle clothes obviously think us folks under 5'3" and with short stumpy fingers and feet, and legs (thank god Im not a man, cuz then Id ALSO have a short stumpy.. nevermind) just dont NEED our feet on the ground or our fingers fitting in the gloves or our toes reaching gears. They dont even care how far the reach is for the handle thingys that control the front brake and clutch! So WHAT if we have to brake or pull in the clutch with the TIPS of our OUTSTRETCHED fingers! With as many women as there is riding now, MAYBE SOMEONE with SOME intelligence (means it'll have to be a woman) will FINALLY get on the horn and start DOING something for the GROWING women market. a LOT of whom are NOT tall. We dont all need or care about the pretty barely there "riding" clothes. We need substance and use. We're in the DRIVERS seat now. Im ranting. Ah, well...this IS a subject that hits home, ya know. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 15:04:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21189; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14323; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10191; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:04:19 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA26912; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971020150157_1445553412@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Growin wimmin Squeakers, In a message dated 97-10-20 13:21:33 EDT, you write: << the GROWING women market. >> I gotta get me piece of that action. How deep in the garden do you hafta plant the women seeds? Are there different varieties? I was at the Southern States feed store last week and I didn't see any. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 15:25:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21899; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14498; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11521; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QQdmcr07626; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256536.006AFABE ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:28:30 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256536.0062C162.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:07:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Short Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=7Im2fIj0VsfWEVI934vR44rSkVhfAg6bJNTzyLPDDbZVC79JSiC8aImb" --0__=7Im2fIj0VsfWEVI934vR44rSkVhfAg6bJNTzyLPDDbZVC79JSiC8aImb Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think there are a few places doing just that...a couple months ago my SO and I decided to meet halfway between DC (her location) and NYC (my location)...we met in Philly, in Maniunk (sp?)...while walking around we passed a place that sold motorcycle clothing (leathers, cordura, accessories) for women, and in-particular, shorter riders. And the staff there seemed damn knowledgeable (started chatting about the clerk's bike, parked outside)...anyway, such stores exist... Unrelated note - went on a ride outside NYC to Bear Mountain, NY on Saturday...on the way home the GS was running way low on fuel, so I stopped in some little town to fill up. On the way back to the parkway I noticed a guy with 2 Kawasakis having a garage sale (read: parts/accessories for sale?)...well, no motorcycle stuff but the guy and I started talking...we chatted over his Harley, resting quietly in the garage...then he asked where I'm from and I said "Brooklyn, but I used to live in Washington DC", to which he replies "DC? You're too white to live in DC!" Uh.......whatever :-/ -Doug '81 GS750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX squeakers @ erols.com at AMS-Internet 10/20/97 01:26 PM To: ROYK @ cder.fda.gov at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: Short > >In a message dated 97-10-20 10:58:40 EDT, you write: > >Squeakers, and others, please answer: at what height is one short? > > For men, you are short if you're 5'6" or below! > > Kirk, a tall 5'6.5" > > > Ok, back when I took time to do the internet stuff, I was on a newsgroup called. alt.tinygirls. The "official" tinygirl height was pretty much considered anything under 5'3". I always considered myself to be a tad over 5 foot, cuz at one time someone told me I was. Doin all this "motorcycle fittin feet onna ground" stuff, though, got me measurin and double checkin...and I hadnt QUITE made the 5 feet mark. Gotta admit that I never thought of myself as short, though, until I started riding by myself and had to go through HELL to get my feet down. And find chaps that fit AND let my feet move.(not all bunched up) AND find boots a tad too long that I can STILL walk in AND reach the gears with my toe. (even if I do walk a little clumsy) AND find warm gloves that arent twice the length of my fingers. (ever wonder why I wear fingerless ones for as looong as I can?) People that make bikes and motorcycle clothes obviously think us folks under 5'3" and with short stumpy fingers and feet, and legs (thank god Im not a man, cuz then Id ALSO have a short stumpy.. nevermind) just dont NEED our feet on the ground or our fingers fitting in the gloves or our toes reaching gears. They dont even care how far the reach is for the handle thingys that control the front brake and clutch! So WHAT if we have to brake or pull in the clutch with the TIPS of our OUTSTRETCHED fingers! With as many women as there is riding now, MAYBE SOMEONE with SOME intelligence (means it'll have to be a woman) will FINALLY get on the horn and start DOING something for the GROWING women market. a LOT of whom are NOT tall. We dont all need or care about the pretty barely there "riding" clothes. We need substance and use. We're in the DRIVERS seat now. Im ranting. Ah, well...this IS a subject that hits home, ya know. Squeakers (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) --0__=7Im2fIj0VsfWEVI934vR44rSkVhfAg6bJNTzyLPDDbZVC79JSiC8aImb Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="RFC822.TXT" Content-transfer-encoding: x-uuencode Content-Description: Text - character set unknown begin 644 0.TXT M4F5C96EV960Z(&9R;VT@86US+F%M6-L97,M2!S;71P,BYEF%T:6]N.B!3<75E86ME6-L97,@/&1C+6-Y8VQESqueakers - I belong to a motorcycle mailing list that was created with the >short person in mind. Most of us on there are under 5'3". Me? I'm 5' >even. I have a 26-27 ish inch inseam which, like you said, makes it >challenging to find both rides on which I can reach the ground, and riding >wear that doesn't make me look like I'm playing dressup. Email me if you >want the address to subscribe. You tall folk can subscribe too, but you >have to lower your monitors by about 6 inches. > >Caron > > People that make bikes and motorcycle clothes obviously >think us folks under 5'3" and with short stumpy fingers and >feet, and legs (thank god Im not a man, cuz then Id ALSO have a >short stumpy.. nevermind) just dont NEED our feet on the ground >or our fingers fitting in the gloves or our toes reaching >gears. They dont even care how far the reach is for the >handle thingys that control the front brake and clutch! So >WHAT if we have to brake or pull in the clutch with the TIPS of >our OUTSTRETCHED fingers! > With as many women as there is riding now, MAYBE SOMEONE >with SOME intelligence (means it'll have to be a woman) >will FINALLY get on the horn and start DOING something for >the GROWING women market. a LOT of whom are NOT tall. We >dont all need or care about the pretty barely there >"riding" clothes. We need substance and use. We're in the >DRIVERS seat now. > > Im ranting. Ah, well...this IS a subject that hits home, >ya know. > >Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 15:47:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22262; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14787; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12425; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA27904; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D17BE35@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian McCoy , Dave_Choat@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Shorts Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:44:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You GO girl!! That was a primo-reply! > -----Original Message----- > From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 10:42 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Brian McCoy; Dave_Choat@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Shorts > > > > > > > Hey, you! Short jokes are NOT allowed!!!!!!! Short people > > >are the SPICE in LIFE!!!!!! > > > > Thats right!, just chop 'em up and sprinkle 'em on! > > > > Dave > > > > > Naw, I consider us to be more like cinnamon sticks. Ya > lick and suck em to get the full flavor. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 16:31:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23399; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15210; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14385; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.77.94]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAC23319; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:30:51 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Robert Johnston" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:11:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971020203043.AAC23319@default> Robert- No test rides on used bikes is BS, especially at a dealer, at least around the lot. That said, I would tend to not allow rides on my bike. When I sold my 92 VFR, I took the buyer for a 45 min ride and told her she could bring it back within 2 hours in the same condition it left in after I had the cash if she was dissatisfied. When I bought the 92 used, I didn't ride it. I can't recall if the dealer had a guarantee, but in many states, car dealers are required by law to give 3 day money back guarantees. If it was a dealer I didn't know, or a salesman I didn't know (who in this case often rode with my bike's original owner) or an old british bike, maybe I wouldn't have done it. And I paid by credit card, which enabled me to prevent payment if the bike was junk. So I felt safe. However, this dealer was obviously BSing you from the beginning. I wouldn't buy a sparkplug there. I've been to a dealer who said they didn't have insurance and could not test ride bikes. They did have a short money-back guarantee. If you want an old Trumpet, try Harry's in Kingsport TN. I can come up with a phone number if you have trouble. Harry is a bit gruff, but has nice bikes, at good prices (for those I could judge) and I'd trust him and his people anytime. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 17:31:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24565; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15865; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16465; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as3s35.erols.com [207.172.110.162]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05667; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:30:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199710202130.RAA05667@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:33:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > I think there are a few places doing just that...a couple months ago my SO > and I decided to meet halfway between DC (her location) and NYC (my > location)...we met in Philly, in Maniunk (sp?)...while walking around we > passed a place that sold motorcycle clothing (leathers, cordura, > accessories) for women, and in-particular, shorter riders. And the staff > there seemed damn knowledgeable (started chatting about the clerk's bike, > parked outside)...anyway, such stores exist... > Do you or her by any chance remember the name of the place? Its possible that they might have a web page or a catalog. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 19:51:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25992; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16629; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19601; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA23000 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971020194109_-57502987@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ladies leather apparel On the subject of "less than tall" aka "Squeakers", (never an offence intended, my parents never bothered to teach me that differences in people had any significance in daily life, in MY book, respect is always given, not just earned, all God's children etc) If i'm not short as per some's definition, not real tall, wot am i? Medium like a steak? Not raw or crispy? well, humor sometimes raw and after brews crispy. (shut up and get too the point!, Ok,) Hey gang, I have been out of the dealer-loop and access to accessory catalogs for a little while, but I remember "Motorport", a German based exporter of all sorts of leather, rain and winter suits, etc. had men's and women's sizes to XXXXL. I didn't have requests for small sizes, but since the Europeans really ride and motorcycles are accepted as viable transportation with no stigmas, go to your local dealer and ask to see the catalog, if they look at you funny, go see a BMW dealer, they'll know. If you are in the D.C. area, go see Cycle Sport, Cycles USA, Coleman Powersport(i don't want to hear it, at least I/they had/have the catalog, plus ask for an AMA discount and no freight), Freestate Cycles, or Bob's BMW. You can order the catalog direct, but a sharp accessory guy at a dealer can save you money, even come close to mail order if you push it, plus send back wrong stuff with no shipping charges to you. At least that's how I did business. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 19:55:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26029; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16647; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19656; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as3s35.erols.com [207.172.110.162]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14004; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:53:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199710202353.TAA14004@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:56:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Growin wimmin Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > > I gotta get me piece of that action. How deep in the garden do you hafta > plant the women seeds? Are there different varieties? I was at the Southern > States feed store last week and I didn't see any. > Richard > > Oh, HAW!!!! Just look in the beautiful flowering perennials section!!! and yes! ABSOLUTELY make positively sure that you plant them deeply and fully, using a delicate yet firm touch!!! Unless, of course, you get the short kinda wimmin seeds. Some of them prefer rough and hard planting in order to bloom. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 20:46:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26605; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16902; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20869; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA19546 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971020204848.00962420@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:48:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: ladies leather apparel In-Reply-To: <971020194109_-57502987@emout07.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just came across a page with a bunch of links on it, women-rider-related: http://www.moto-directory.com/women.htm JFYI, MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 20:47:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26613; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16908; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20887; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:47:30 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA24719; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971020203532_1934153225@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Growin wimmin In a message dated 97-10-20 20:03:29 EDT, you write: << > > I gotta get me piece of that action. How deep in the garden do you hafta > plant the women seeds? Are there different varieties? I was at the Southern > States feed store last week and I didn't see any. > Richard > > <<< Oh, HAW!!!! Just look in the beautiful flowering perennials section!!!>>> True, they smell as good, can't eatem, though. <<< and yes! ABSOLUTELY make positively sure that you plant them deeply and fully, using a delicate yet firm touch!!!>>> Heeeeeuuuuuuuwwwhhhhhweeeeee! My Quaker background is going to leave that alone! sounds like that "Clockwork Orange" in-out thing. Richard p.s. glad that nasty weekend weather thing is out of the way. Used to ride no matter what. To commute. Twice rode home on 495 in 4-6 inches of snow. Felt fear/satisfaction/relief after. glad i was young then. now it's the atv when the weather's bad; can hit a tree, not but get run over by 4,000+ lb's of technology. Stiffs in funeral homes look restfull, but not the poor lifeless mammals on the roads. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 22:43:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27710; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17513; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.tagdc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23001; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 13x.com (1Cust6.max7.bridgewater.mi.ms.uu.net [153.36.114.6]) by home.tagdc.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07446 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344C1A71.5919FAD7@13x.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:58:57 -0400 From: Stephen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Short References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holy Sheep Sheet! I'm nowhere even near six inches. Where the hell do guys put five feet plus????? I guess I am short. Stephen Confidently :-) Kirk Roy wrote: > >In a message dated 97-10-20 10:58:40 EDT, you write: > >Squeakers, and others, please answer: at what height is one short? > > For men, you are short if you're 5'6" or below! > > Kirk, a tall 5'6.5" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 23:00:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27830; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17678; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23341; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.78.166]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4640; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:59:39 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Stephen" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Short Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:57:14 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971021025938.AAA4640@default> Stephen- Thanks for sharing. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 23:27:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28000; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17792; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23677; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.131] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.131]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP1Q0L0AYO8X7ZSJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:55 EDT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:57 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IP1Q0ZNATS8X7ZSJ@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > After a 60 hour work week, to >have a customer show up just before closing with business to do that will >obviously keep you past that happy hour (sometimes they KNOW when that is) >can make the best of us feel like slapping a nun. And of course, this is a great way to get a good deal. Show up when the guys want to go get a brew, and try to make your best deal. When I bought my cage this past summer, I went into the dealer at 8:30 on a Friday evening. I was out the door, with a bill of sale, dealer tags, and the price I wanted at 9:15. 'Course, I had to go back the next day and finish up on some paperwork, but they got a sale and we both got a fair price. Ain't capitalism grand? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 23:29:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28015; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17801; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23693; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.131] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.131]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP1Q0L0AYO8X7ZSJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:49 EDT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:52 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Short (and other folks with trouble finding moto-clothes) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IP1Q0VMCUW8X7ZSJ@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Well, maybe I'm shopping in the wrong place, but finding QUALITY riding gear when you are not short (6'1") but are metabolically efficient (overweight:) is a real pain at times. I can occasionally find pants that fit the circumference, but I would need about a 40" inseam to wear them (slight exaggeration). Anybody had any luck ordering custom fit clothing? (Aerostich comes to mind) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 23:29:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28024; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17806; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23701; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.131] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.131]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP1Q0L0AYO8X7ZSJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:40 EDT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:43 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Short To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <01IP1Q0OZDGO8X7ZSJ@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" What kinda gloves have you found that fit? My girlfriend has had a horrible time finding gloves. Now, if she weren't so cold-blooded, fingerless would be fine... ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 23:34:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28078; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17867; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23770; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.131] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.131]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP1Q0L0AYO8X7ZSJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:46 EDT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:49 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: RE: Party On Todd ! To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles Message-id: <01IP1Q0T4C428X7ZSJ@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Now I've tackled 395 AND 495 in one day! I did get left behind, >though...I think I need a new riding partner!! Hey, sign me up! Had my SO not been ill, I would have hit 95 and 495 for the first time (carrying 'baggage' even;) And from the sound of that ride some folks took on Sunday to PA, I can just about guarantee I'd have been left behind:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 23:37:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28141; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17907; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23819; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.131] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.131]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP1Q0L0AYO8X7ZSJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:37 EDT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:26:38 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. To: Robert Johnston , dc-cycles Message-id: <01IP1Q0LMT5U8X7ZSJ@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" First of all, good for you for voting your opinions with your wallet. Many people would bitch and still purchase. Whether it turns out you were right or wrong doesn't matter. You've struck another blow in favor of classical economics:) Many of the moto-rags have had articles in the past few months talking about selling your bike. They all say not to let someone test ride, for fear of theft. It's an issue I've thought about a great deal, as I might be selling my current ride in the spring. When I was looking for a bike, I never had a problem with private sellers or dealers starting up used bikes. On more than one occasion, they had out the keys before I even asked. As for test rides... I haven't had a problem at Morton's BMW (friendly bunch, it seemed from my first visit) but my father (who makes a good bit more than myself:) has had a great deal of trouble getting a ride on a Royal Star out of Atlantic Cycle and Power (whose door I wouldn't darken if it weren't for the fact that they are an hour closer to me than just about any other dealer). Even still, they have been more than welcome to start stuff up if I was prepared to buy. It seems to me that business was slow, they thought you were jerking them around, and they wanted to give it up and call it a day. $.02 ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 01:58:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29786; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20041; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25778; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.76.202]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA22148 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 05:57:26 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: Arai shield problem Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:54:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971021055725.AAA22148@default> Hey, y'all-- The clear shield on my Quantum/s is doing something wierd. I thought it was smeared with something so I cleaned it at a gas station, but it didn't help. I cleaned it again at home and it didn't get better. It looks like it has many very fine cracks in it, but I can't feel them. It's like they are below the surface. They aren't scratches, and are in only 2 places, both vertical bands about 1.5" wide, one in the center of the shield, one below the left brow vent. Also, the right brow vent has just 1/4 inch of this stuff below it. The other 2 places go all the way to the bottom. I think this is my original shield, so it's 2.5 years old. I've hardly used it this year; usually my light tint shield is ok, but now I need a clear one. I don't want to spend $45 if I can avoid it. Has this happened to anyone? Anyone tried customer service at Arai for anything? Suggestions for a polish to try that _won't_ scratch the shield? I have Meguiars plastic polish for the windshield on the bike, but I haven't tried it on something I have to look thru. BTW, I only clean it with window cleaner and paper towels. I know I should use cloth towels, and I do when possible, but usually paper is it. I try not to use scratchy ones. I really don't think it's scratched, tho. thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 08:58:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02367; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22655; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29951; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.126] (unverified [205.177.250.126]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:58:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Arai shield problem Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 08:56:27 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Go to your local hobby shop and purchase a plastic paint polishing kit. Has grades of sandpaper from 4000 up to 12000 plus some polishing paste. I haven't yet had to use it on the visor of my helmet, but it did a great job removing scratches from the plastic lenses on my eyeglasses. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 09:25:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02816; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23952; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00954; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA06648; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA00461; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:24:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021132407.FKHN14080@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:24:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ladies leather apparel X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021132407.FKHN14080@[166.41.242.141]> >Hey gang, I have been out of the dealer-loop and access to accessory catalogs >for a little while, but I remember "Motorport", a German based exporter of >all sorts of leather, rain and winter suits, etc. had men's and women's sizes >to XXXXL. I didn't have requests for small sizes, but since the Europeans >really ride and motorcycles are accepted as viable transportation with no >stigmas, go to your local dealer and ask to see the catalog, if they look at >you funny, go see a BMW dealer, they'll know. If you are in the D.C. area, go >see Cycle Sport, Cycles USA, Coleman Powersport(i don't want to hear it, at >least I/they had/have the catalog, plus ask for an AMA discount and no >freight), Freestate Cycles, or Bob's BMW. You can order the catalog direct, >but a sharp accessory guy at a dealer can save you money, even come close to >mail order if you push it, plus send back wrong stuff with no shipping >charges to you. At least that's how I did business. Hey Richard, I think you're just what we've been needing on this list for awhile. Insider information w/o any SEC violations :) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 09:41:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02941; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24088; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01245; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:36:41 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:40:12 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: visor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline RE: visor Kevin, My guess is you could get your visor replaced for free by Arai. >From your description of the flaws in your faceshield (three vertical stripes) it sounds like the shield is showing stress from the times it was bent to install on the helmet. That sounds like a manufacturing defect that Arai, which prides itself on quality materials, would be interested in correcting. Sean 95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 09:49:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03014; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24173; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01454; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.76.108]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA15549 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:47:54 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Al Lapp? Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:45:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971021134753.AAA15549@default> Hey, y'all- Anybody have Al's email address? I haven't seen him on the list lately. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 09:55:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03169; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24290; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01597; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA19184 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971021094615.009432b0@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:46:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Arai shield problem In-Reply-To: <19971021055725.AAA22148@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If they aren't scratches, I don't know if this will help, but I use NuFinish on mine and it removes minor scratches, like the ones you get after wiping off some of the higher-impact bugs, not the ones from dropping the helmet. :) It also acts like Rain-X so you can clean the screen with a little tilt of the head in the windy wet. At 01:54 AM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >anyone? Anyone tried customer service at Arai for anything? Suggestions >for a polish to try that _won't_ scratch the shield? I have Meguiars >plastic polish for the windshield on the bike, but I haven't tried it on >something I have to look thru. BTW, I only clean it with window cleaner >and paper towels. I know I should use cloth towels, and I do when >possible, but usually paper is it. I try not to use scratchy ones. I >really don't think it's scratched, tho. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 10:10:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03412; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25412; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02155; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA23842; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA21462; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021140906.FQOT14116@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:09:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: Robert Johnston , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021140906.FQOT14116@[166.41.242.141]> George Howell wrote: >Many of the moto-rags have had articles in the past few months talking >about selling your bike. They all say not to let someone test ride, for >fear of theft. It's an issue I've thought about a great deal, as I might >be selling my current ride in the spring. I will be selling two of my babies next spring, and like George have been giving alot of thought to the exchange part. So far this is what I have come up with: You Bring a friend. I will start the bike, cold. If you like we continue.... If I know you or not, we will negotiate the purchase price before you can test ride. You must show proof that you have a MC rider endorsement. You must either put up cash or cashiers check BEFORE you ride. I will hand title to your friend. You will be allowed 20 minutes to ride, if you don't return within that time, I'm gone. If you do return and don't like the bike, I get my title and keys after inspection of the bike and you get your money. Oh, yeah I bring a friend too so there ain't no funny business. FWIW. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 10:33:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03833; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26969; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03125; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-204.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.204]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA06601 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:31:52 -0400 Message-ID: <344CBCB5.BB531334@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:31:17 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Arai shield problem References: <19971021055725.AAA22148@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the best clue has to do with it's age. Do they look like the cracks that old tires get? Leon. kevin thomas wrote: > Hey, y'all-- > > The clear shield on my Quantum/s is doing something wierd. I thought it > was smeared with something so I cleaned it at a gas station, but it didn't > help. I cleaned it again at home and it didn't get better. It looks like > it has many very fine cracks in it, but I can't feel them. > I think this is my original shield, so it's 2.5 years old. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 10:34:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03854; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26992; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03154; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:33:51 -0400 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01C6C0CF@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy the m. Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:34:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) You guys are hard core! When I bought my bike (which I saw on a street corner for sale) I called the guy, he came out, started the bike, I rode around the block, we exchanged money and title. It was no big deal so to speak. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I will be selling two of my babies next spring, and like George have > been giving alot of thought to the exchange part. So far this is what > I have come up with: > > You Bring a friend. > I will start the bike, cold. If you like we continue.... > If I know you or not, we will negotiate the purchase price before > you can test ride. > You must show proof that you have a MC rider endorsement. > You must either put up cash or cashiers check BEFORE you ride. > I will hand title to your friend. > You will be allowed 20 minutes to ride, if you don't return > within > that time, I'm gone. > If you do return and don't like the bike, I get my title and keys > after inspection of the bike and you get your money. > > Oh, yeah I bring a friend too so there ain't no funny business. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 10:40:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03922; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27158; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03337; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA02946; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:39:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA23503; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021143910.FPMU14145@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:39:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "kevin thomas" CC: Subject: Re: Arai shield problem X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021143910.FPMU14145@[166.41.242.141]> >The clear shield on my Quantum/s is doing something wierd. I thought it >was smeared with something so I cleaned it at a gas station, but it didn't >help. I cleaned it again at home and it didn't get better. It looks like >it has many very fine cracks in it, but I can't feel them. It's like they >are below the surface. They aren't scratches, and are in only 2 places, >both vertical bands about 1.5" wide, one in the center of the shield, one >below the left brow vent. Also, the right brow vent has just 1/4 inch of >this stuff below it. The other 2 places go all the way to the bottom. I >think this is my original shield, so it's 2.5 years old. I've hardly used >it this year; usually my light tint shield is ok, but now I need a clear >one. I don't want to spend $45 if I can avoid it. Has this happened to >anyone? Anyone tried customer service at Arai for anything? Suggestions >for a polish to try that _won't_ scratch the shield? I have Meguiars >plastic polish for the windshield on the bike, but I haven't tried it on >something I have to look thru. BTW, I only clean it with window cleaner >and paper towels. I know I should use cloth towels, and I do when >possible, but usually paper is it. I try not to use scratchy ones. I >really don't think it's scratched, tho. Do not EVER use an ammoniated product on lexan or any layerd polymer like that of your windshield or viser. The ammonia effects the the plastic just how you have described...tiny fissures and cracking. Use soapy water and a good plastic polish (Meguires ok) like the Honda Spray Can stuff. I ruined a Plexi-III with Windex thinking I was doing something good. Live and learn. BTW, unless you've taken good care of your viser (no scuffs), 2.5 years of use may require replacement. I'm cheap, so I waited over 3 years. Somebody is bound to point out that it may be getting close time to think of just replacing the helment due to the breakdown of the styro inside. Like I said, I'm cheap. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 10:55:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04101; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27723; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03724; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA27562 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:54:06 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma027544; Tue, 21 Oct 97 10:53:52 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA09559 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA877445485; Tue, 21 Oct 97 10:51:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9710218774.AA877445485@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 10:49:54 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no kidding - i met the guy at his house, he gave me the keys when he saw I had a lid and jacket - my friends were sitting in a car out front - I rode arround for about 30 minutes. He didn't have my phone number, last name, anything... I returned the bike in the condition I left with it (minus gas) - ended up buying it later (negotiated price LONG after the test ride). Personally, I'm somewhere inbetween - going to be strict, but not so much that I don't show any trust... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ You guys are hard core! When I bought my bike (which I saw on a street corner for sale) I called the guy, he came out, started the bike, I rode around the block, we exchanged money and title. It was no big deal so to speak. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:07:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04350; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28705; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04210; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA14583 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:06:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA00530 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021150600.FZVX14080@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:06:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Selling Used X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021150600.FZVX14080@[166.41.242.141]> What did Jeannette say after meeting you, "I thought you were so old, but you're young", and baby faced, and just a tad bit suspicious looking. That guy must've been heavily insured for theft...hmm? ;^) ;^) I just don't want to deal with the paperwork if some smartass decides to just keep riding. I don't think I'm being hardcore. If you're there to buy the bike, you should have the money, right? So doing the deal before the test ride helps insure me against you dropping, or worse stealing my bike. I might ammend to say that if I know you well, I might let you ride a little. But really, I am only interested in serious inquiries. Bring money and show me your serious. Todd >You guys are hard core! When I bought my bike (which I saw on a street >corner for sale) I called the guy, he came out, started the bike, I rode >around the block, we exchanged money and title. It was no big deal so >to speak. > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> I will be selling two of my babies next spring, and like George have >> been giving alot of thought to the exchange part. So far this is what >> I have come up with: >> >> You Bring a friend. >> I will start the bike, cold. If you like we continue.... >> If I know you or not, we will negotiate the purchase price before >> you can test ride. >> You must show proof that you have a MC rider endorsement. >> You must either put up cash or cashiers check BEFORE you ride. >> I will hand title to your friend. >> You will be allowed 20 minutes to ride, if you don't return >> within >> that time, I'm gone. >> If you do return and don't like the bike, I get my title and keys >> after inspection of the bike and you get your money. >> >> Oh, yeah I bring a friend too so there ain't no funny business. >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:21:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04480; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29026; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04593; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s49.erols.com [207.172.110.112]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15567; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:19:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199710211519.LAA15567@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: George Howell Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:22:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > What kinda gloves have you found that fit? My girlfriend has had a > horrible time finding gloves. Now, if she weren't so cold-blooded, > fingerless would be fine... > > > The problem is I HAVENT found any to really fit well, and Im ALSO cold blooded. My fingers and toes get cold easy, and then I start to shiver and get stiff fingered. Lotsa fun. I bought a pair of extra small gauntlet gloves from the jammin leather catalog, and they almost fit, but its hard to move my fingers in gloves that big and fat. When ya take into account that the clutch requires the easy and full use of the TIPS of my fingers cuz my hands barely reach, then ya can see why some have bitched about me belonging on the BACK of a bike. To which I always reply.. well.. you dont wanna know. What I do when its chilly but not too especial cold IS.. I have a pair of stretchy acrylic/polyester/spandex/nylon soft gloves. You know.. the kind that are small and very soft and stretch to fit. I put those on UNDER my leather fingerless gloves. THAT way I have full use of my fingers and SOME warmth on them. Although it sure aint wind or rain proof, its better than nothing. When it gets too cold, I wear the gauntlets, and ride especial careful, knowing that I dont have the hand flexibility that I feel comfortable with. 'Course, when its cold and Im ridin on the BACK, I just throw on the gauntlets and stick my hands in my pockets and off we go. Me all toasty! :) I just got me some packets of those chemical thingys that you shake and put in gloves and boots that are supposed to heat you up. Im gonna give em a try. I DO get cold EASY. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:38:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04715; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29233; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05129; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s49.erols.com [207.172.110.112]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00631; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710211537.LAA00631@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles , Stephen Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:40:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > Holy Sheep Sheet! > I'm nowhere even near six inches. > Where the hell do guys put five feet plus????? > I guess I am short. > Stephen > Confidently :-) > Stephen! Nowhere near 6 inches? Maybe its the way you measured yourself. Heres what ya need to do. First, enlist the help of a good friend. With her standing in front of you, have her hold the tape measure tight against you. She needs to make sure she gets the beginning of the tape measure all the way at the bottom, and stretch the tape all the way up to the tippy top of your head. If she thinks you might be slouching a tad, she should gently pull you upwards with her hands, just to be sure that you are INDEED standing tall. After making sure that you're standin as stiffly as you possibly can she can then get her face real close so that she can be sure to correctly read exactly how big you are. After you've done that, I expect an updated measurement, naturally. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:45:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04820; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29349; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05402; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IP2FL59BKG8X5Q5A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:42:56 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:39:20 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:39:20 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Short To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1492IBQ2I1FQ X400-MTS-identifier: [;02931112017991/2049604@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >> What kinda gloves have you found that fit? My girlfriend has had a >> horrible time finding gloves. Now, if she weren't so cold-blooded, >> fingerless would be fine... > >The problem is I HAVENT found any to really fit well, and >Im ALSO cold blooded. How about the hippo hands or equivalent to fix the cold problem? You could go without the heavily insulated gloves below 30F. If the length of your fingers causes you to buy the fingerless gloves you might consider finding some uninsulated gloves that fit the body of your hands (not necessarily the finger length) and have the fingers shortened by a shoe repair person. I'd hate to lose the tips of my fingers in a crash... For what it's worth my fingers are the same length as my 5' tall wife's fingers (but they're fatter and the body of my hand is broader). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:47:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04843; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29391; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05487; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA12056 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:46:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199710211546.AA12056@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:46:25 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:46:25 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:46:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:44:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Short To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199710211519.LAA15567@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ..on a side note, I knew someone who took a pair of gloves to a tailor and had the gloves cut and resewn to fit their finger size....you might try that. If I remember correctly, it costs less than 10 bucks to have it done and only took a day to do it. It looked "factory" when it was done too! cheers, -aki > > > What kinda gloves have you found that fit? My girlfriend has had a > > horrible time finding gloves. Now, if she weren't so cold-blooded, > > fingerless would be fine... > > > > > > > > The problem is I HAVENT found any to really fit well, and > Im ALSO cold blooded. My fingers and toes get cold easy, > and then I start to shiver and get stiff fingered. Lotsa > fun. I bought a pair of extra small gauntlet gloves from > the jammin leather catalog, and they almost fit, but its > hard to move my fingers in gloves that big and fat. When ya > take into account that the clutch requires the easy and > full use of the TIPS of my fingers cuz my hands barely > reach, then ya can see why some have bitched about me > belonging on the BACK of a bike. To which I always reply.. > well.. you dont wanna know. What I do when its chilly but > not too especial cold IS.. I have a pair of stretchy > acrylic/polyester/spandex/nylon soft gloves. You know.. the > kind that are small and very soft and stretch to fit. I put > those on UNDER my leather fingerless gloves. THAT way I > have full use of my fingers and SOME warmth on them. > Although it sure aint wind or rain proof, its better than > nothing. When it gets too cold, I wear the gauntlets, and > ride especial careful, knowing that I dont have the hand > flexibility that I feel comfortable with. > 'Course, when its cold and Im ridin on the BACK, I just > throw on the gauntlets and stick my hands in my pockets and > off we go. Me all toasty! :) > > I just got me some packets of those chemical thingys that > you shake and put in gloves and boots that are supposed to > heat you up. Im gonna give em a try. I DO get cold EASY. > > Squeakers > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:52:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04907; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29452; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05602; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw2.att.com; Tue Oct 21 11:48 EDT 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id MAA04571 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA11751 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:50:52 -0400 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCDE17.A8D95240@XXXXXX>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:51:25 -0400 Message-Id: To: Subject: Ammonia on faceshield Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:51:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been using ammoniated cleaner on my helmet shields (Shoei & Arai) and I have had NO trouble. I'm NOT here to call anyone a liar but, I'm curious as to why I have had NO trouble while others have. My Shoei is well over 4 years old and both the tinted and clear shields are in excellent condition. BTW, I need a small helmet for my SO. Anyone know where I can get one used or cheap but still Snell '95(7) & DOT '97 approved??!! --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:55:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04932; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29492; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05706; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-204.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.204]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08055; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: <344CCFFD.BF992C2D@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:53:33 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Subject: Re: Short References: <199710211519.LAA15567@smtp3.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my opinion, the chemical stuff is a waste of time and money. They only work for about an hour, for the first 15 minutes they are much too hot, and for the last half hour they are just barely enough. I would recommend electric grips for your bike. Then you can use any gloves and still keep your hands warm. Gerbing's will install electric heat in any item of clothing, but the wires will still require an additional layer of cloth, which means more bulk and thus less flexibility. Another alternative is Gerbing's electric jacket liner, by keeping your arms warm, the blood can flow to your fingers and keep the from getting cold. I use Widder electrics myself (I do use Gerbing's socks), but for what you describe, Gerbing's stuff sounds more appropriate. http://www.gerbing.com http://www.widder.com Leon. mrider@XXXXXX Squeakers wrote: > I just got me some packets of those chemical thingys that > you shake and put in gloves and boots that are supposed to > heat you up. Im gonna give em a try. I DO get cold EASY. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:58:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04963; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29552; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05816; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14480 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:57:50 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCDE18.B6791060@XXXXXX>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:58:58 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCDE18.B6791060@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Selling Used Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:58:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So let me understand this. You want me to show up at your door with several thousand dollars in = cash on my person, in a city were it is a felony if I carry any weapon = concealed? -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 11:04 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Selling Used What did Jeannette say after meeting you, "I thought you were so old, but you're young", and baby faced, and just a tad bit suspicious = looking. That guy must've been heavily insured for theft...hmm? ;^) ;^) I just don't want to deal with the paperwork if some smartass decides to just keep riding. I don't think I'm being hardcore. If you're there to buy the bike, you should have the money, right? So doing the deal before the test ride helps insure me against you dropping, or worse stealing my bike. I might ammend to say that if I know you well, I might let you ride a little. But really, I am only interested in serious inquiries. Bring money and show me your serious. Todd >You guys are hard core! When I bought my bike (which I saw on a street >corner for sale) I called the guy, he came out, started the bike, I = rode >around the block, we exchanged money and title. It was no big deal so >to speak. > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> I will be selling two of my babies next spring, and like George have >> been giving alot of thought to the exchange part. So far this is = what >> I have come up with: >>=20 >> You Bring a friend. >> I will start the bike, cold. If you like we continue.... >> If I know you or not, we will negotiate the purchase price = before >> you can test ride. >> You must show proof that you have a MC rider endorsement. >> You must either put up cash or cashiers check BEFORE you ride. >> I will hand title to your friend. >> You will be allowed 20 minutes to ride, if you don't return >> within >> that time, I'm gone. >> If you do return and don't like the bike, I get my title and = keys >> after inspection of the bike and you get your money. >>=20 >> Oh, yeah I bring a friend too so there ain't no funny business. >>=20 >>=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 12:06:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05116; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29724; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06135; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goddardj ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA01822; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344CD0D2.3096257B@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:57:06 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: George Howell , Robert Johnston , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19971021140906.FQOT14116@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What I have done in the past and I will do in the future is. If I think the person is serious I will let them ride the bike but they have to follow me while I ride another bike. Sure they could out run me, but I will give it my best shot to stay with them. Another one I have heard that has not been brought up is to let them ride it and follow you but only give them half a gallon of gas. I once sold a bike to a guy with out a license and I gave him a 30-30 (30 miles or 30 minutes). He was happy I was happy. Todd Peer wrote: > George Howell wrote: > >Many of the moto-rags have had articles in the past few months > talking > >about selling your bike. They all say not to let someone test ride, > for > >fear of theft. It's an issue I've thought about a great deal, as I > might > >be selling my current ride in the spring. > > I will be selling two of my babies next spring, and like George have > been giving alot of thought to the exchange part. So far this is what > > I have come up with: > > You Bring a friend. > I will start the bike, cold. If you like we continue.... > If I know you or not, we will negotiate the purchase price before > > you can test ride. > You must show proof that you have a MC rider endorsement. > You must either put up cash or cashiers check BEFORE you ride. > I will hand title to your friend. > You will be allowed 20 minutes to ride, if you don't return > within > that time, I'm gone. > If you do return and don't like the bike, I get my title and keys > > after inspection of the bike and you get your money. > > Oh, yeah I bring a friend too so there ain't no funny business. > > FWIW. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 12:31:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05729; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00136; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07465; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s49.erols.com [207.172.110.112]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA32273; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:29:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199710211629.MAA32273@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , jcarver@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:32:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Ammonia on faceshield Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > I've been using ammoniated cleaner on my helmet shields (Shoei & Arai) > and I have had NO trouble. I'm NOT here to call anyone a liar but, > I'm curious as to why I have had NO trouble while others have. My > Shoei is well over 4 years old and both the tinted and clear shields > are in excellent condition. > I used a brillo pad on my bikes windshield once,(my FORMER windshield, that is) cuz the bug splats were thick and dried on. I wouldnt recommend it. Not that that has anything to do with Windex. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 12:37:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05850; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00198; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07641; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s49.erols.com [207.172.110.112]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20810; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710211636.MAA20810@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:38:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re:softer bendable gloves? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > ..on a side note, I knew someone who took a pair of gloves > to a tailor and had the gloves cut and resewn to fit their > finger size....you might try that. If I remember correctly, > it costs less than 10 bucks to have it done and only took > a day to do it. It looked "factory" when it was done too! > > cheers, > -aki > > Hadnt thought of doing that. Id love it if my gauntlets fit nice, cuz those are some really warm gloves. On another part of the glove problem.. Does anyone know how to get thick leather gloves really soft and pliable so that my fingers can move easily? Ive used leather oils, and Ive bent the fingers when damp and let them dry that way HOPING that they would get soft and move real easy. So far, they got a TAD softer, but not enough. I need them to bend easily. Any thoughts? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 12:40:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05879; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00230; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07695; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (frd-as2s49.erols.com [207.172.110.112]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01341; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:38:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199710211638.MAA01341@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Kirk Roy Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:40:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Hippo Hands? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > How about the hippo hands or equivalent to fix the cold problem? You could > go without the heavily insulated gloves below 30F. Hippo hands or equivalent??? Dont know what those are. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 13:36:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06827; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01665; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elwood.cais.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09616; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.161.65.74] (richwest.cais.com [206.161.65.74]) by elwood.cais.com (8.8.7/Elwood) with ESMTP id NAA15084 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:36:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: richwest@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Richard Westbrook Subject: Removing decals Last night I really screwed up. I decided to remove some of the unnecesary decals off my bike. Like the "Use Unleaded gas only" and "always wear a helmet". The kind of stuff I can usually remember on my own. The first two came off perfectly with no mess, but something went horribly wrong with the last and smallest one. When I removed the decal all the glue stayed on my tank. I tried a few cleaners but I was nervous about messing it up even more. What will take the glue off without messing up the finish? Richard Westbrook Art Director U.S. Conference of Mayors From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 13:36:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06832; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01660; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09603; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:36:07 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA24065 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971021133430_409221477@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Arai shield problem In a message dated 97-10-21 10:47:12 EDT, you write: << Do not EVER use an ammoniated product on lexan or any layerd polymer like that of your windshield or viser. The ammonia effects the the plastic just how you have described...tiny fissures and cracking. Use soapy water and a good plastic polish (Meguires ok) like the Honda Spray Can stuff. >> YES! The Honda spray cleaner and polish is the stuff! It's like an infomercial product on tv that really works! I've sold 1,000 of cans of it. One try on your bike, helmet, etc will cause you to one of the Faithfull. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 13:46:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06969; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01846; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09868; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:45:55 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA12562 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:45:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(199.128.76.102) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012534; Tue Oct 21 12:45:00 1997 Message-ID: <344CEA64.3389@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:46:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Selling Used References: <19971021140906.FQOT14116@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've read the suggestions, here and in magazines, about precautions to take when selling a bike. Maybe I'm naive, or too trusting, but I've sold many bikes and have never had a problem with letting someone ride the bike before buying or leaving me a deposit. If you're worried about theft, stealing a motorcycle is grand theft felony. Most folks willing to do that are going to go steal bikes MUCH more expensive than mine. If you don't think he/she can ride, ask for proof. So long as that person leaves something with me, like his set of car keys, I'm satisfied. When buying from private parties, I generally leave a check, ask for the title, but agree to leave the bike there 'till the check clears. I wouldn't be annoyed if someone wanted a check before the ride, provided if I get back and say I don't want the bike they'll tear up the check. Again, I've never had a deal go bad with that strategy. Those are my PERSONAL feelings and the way I act. But for legal advice, let me tell you this. Always make duplicate bills of sale; one to sign and give to the buyer, one to have him sign and keep for yourself. Why? Well, say the guy gives you cash for the bike, rides off, and kills a pedestrian. There's nothing but that bill of sale you retained to prove he - not you - owns the motorcycle. Play it safe for liability; keep a duplicate bill of sale signed by the buyer and seller. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 13:48:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07075; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01875; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09946; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA18792; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:49:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Richard Westbrook cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Removing decals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Richard -- Ah -- you tried to remove the sticker that says "Do Not Remove This Sticker", eh? ;) Seriously, try vegetable oil with soft cloth. It will take some work, but it does remove sticker slime with no collateral damage. -ph On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Richard Westbrook wrote: > Last night I really screwed up. I decided to remove some of the unnecesary > decals off my bike. Like the "Use Unleaded gas only" and "always wear a > helmet". The kind of stuff I can usually remember on my own. The first two > came off perfectly with no mess, but something went horribly wrong with the > last and smallest one. When I removed the decal all the glue stayed on my > tank. I tried a few cleaners but I was nervous about messing it up even > more. What will take the glue off without messing up the finish? > > Richard Westbrook > Art Director > U.S. Conference of Mayors > > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 13:51:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07158; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01919; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10027; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.76.188]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9737; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:50:43 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Richard Westbrook" Subject: Re: Removing decals Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:48:19 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971021175042.AAA9737@default> Richard- try WD40 first. It won't hurt and usually takes anything off. If it doesn't, 3M makes a decal remover you can get at auto paint stores. 2 cans, one removes the decal, the other removes the glue. the cans are large, so you'd have a lifetime supply. About $20/can. Trak Auto etc may have a similar 1-part product from Marhyde, Duplicolor, etc. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 13:57:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07204; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02025; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10160; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goddardj ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id NAA02125 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344CEC76.BF7823D4@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:55:02 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Selling Used X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCDE18.B6791060@johnston.citi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't see robbing someone on your own door step to be a common move. Sure they can have a friend around the corner or what ever, but so could you. Or just come to my door with a shot gun fully exposed. I 'll still sell you a bike, maybe a gun too. Robert Johnston wrote: > So let me understand this. > > You want me to show up at your door with several thousand dollars in > cash on my person, in a city were it is a felony if I carry any weapon > concealed? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 11:04 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Selling Used > > What did Jeannette say after meeting you, "I thought you were so old, > but you're young", and baby faced, and just a tad bit suspicious > looking. > That guy must've been heavily insured for theft...hmm? > ;^) ;^) > > I just don't want to deal with the paperwork if some smartass decides > to just keep riding. I don't think I'm being hardcore. If you're > there to buy the bike, you should have the money, right? So doing > the deal before the test ride helps insure me against you dropping, > or worse stealing my bike. I might ammend to say that if I know you > well, I might let you ride a little. But really, I am only interested > > in serious inquiries. Bring money and show me your serious. > > Todd > > >You guys are hard core! When I bought my bike (which I saw on a > street > >corner for sale) I called the guy, he came out, started the bike, I > rode > >around the block, we exchanged money and title. It was no big deal > so > >to speak. > > > >Glenn Dysart > >DysarGB@XXXXXX > > > >84 V30 Magna > > > > > >> I will be selling two of my babies next spring, and like George > have > >> been giving alot of thought to the exchange part. So far this is > what > >> I have come up with: > >> > >> You Bring a friend. > >> I will start the bike, cold. If you like we continue.... > >> If I know you or not, we will negotiate the purchase price > before > >> you can test ride. > >> You must show proof that you have a MC rider endorsement. > >> You must either put up cash or cashiers check BEFORE you ride. > > >> I will hand title to your friend. > >> You will be allowed 20 minutes to ride, if you don't return > >> within > >> that time, I'm gone. > >> If you do return and don't like the bike, I get my title and > keys > >> after inspection of the bike and you get your money. > >> > >> Oh, yeah I bring a friend too so there ain't no funny > business. > >> > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 13:59:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07228; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02048; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lms02.us1.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10219; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d04lms03.raleigh.ibm.com by lms02.us1.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15724; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:01:57 GMT Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU033 id 5040300007151452; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:58:36 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: Re:softer bendable gloves? Message-Id: <5040300007151452000002L022*@MHS> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:58:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain There are chemicals that will soften leather but they always seem to weaken it in the process. The best thing I've found is just to wear the gloves until they "break in". I've been known to go to the extreem of wearing my new gloves to mow the grass and trim the hedges just to break them it (looks dumb but it works). Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 10-21-97 01:37 PM --------------------------- squeakers@XXXXXX on 10-21-97 01:02:40 PM Please respond to squeakers@XXXXXX @ internet To: aki.damme@XXXXXX @ internet cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet Subject: Re:softer bendable gloves? > ..on a side note, I knew someone who took a pair of gloves > to a tailor and had the gloves cut and resewn to fit their > finger size....you might try that. If I remember correctly, > it costs less than 10 bucks to have it done and only took > a day to do it. It looked "factory" when it was done too! > > cheers, > -aki > > Hadnt thought of doing that. Id love it if my gauntlets fit nice, cuz those are some really warm gloves. On another part of the glove problem.. Does anyone know how to get thick leather gloves really soft and pliable so that my fingers can move easily? Ive used leather oils, and Ive bent the fingers when damp and let them dry that way HOPING that they would get soft and move real easy. So far, they got a TAD softer, but not enough. I need them to bend easily. Any thoughts? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 13:59:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07239; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02055; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10251; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:37 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA16498 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199710211759.AA16498@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:00 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:00 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:59:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:51:12 -0400 Subject: Removing decals To: richwest@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME lighter fluid works *great* for getting gummy glue off just about everything, including gas tanks..and won't harm the finish either... speaking of decals...anyone notice that the new fairfax county decals for 98 are almost see-through? I made the mistake of putting my new one over my old one and now the old one kinda bleeds through...needless to say..the color(s) now look pretty wierd... cheers, -aki > Last night I really screwed up. I decided to remove some of the unnecesary > decals off my bike. Like the "Use Unleaded gas only" and "always wear a > helmet". The kind of stuff I can usually remember on my own. The first two > came off perfectly with no mess, but something went horribly wrong with the > last and smallest one. When I removed the decal all the glue stayed on my > tank. I tried a few cleaners but I was nervous about messing it up even > more. What will take the glue off without messing up the finish? > > Richard Westbrook > Art Director > U.S. Conference of Mayors > > > > X-Sender: richwest@XXXXXX (Unverified) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:09:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07343; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02320; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10553; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:10:36 -0400 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01C6C0F9@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Richard Westbrook Subject: RE: Removing decals Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:11:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Richard, you can use automotive bug and tar remover and there is another product I use now called Goo Gone. You can pick it up at any Drug store or K-Mart. Remember to rub lightly and wax the affected area afterwords. Glenn "I removed my stickers years ago" Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > more. What will take the glue off without messing up the finish? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:14:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07406; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02373; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10685; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip54.herndon7.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.5.54]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11322; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <344CF081.D74B4397@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:12:17 -0400 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Richard Westbrook Subject: Re: Removing decals References: <19971021175042.AAA9737@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kevin thomas wrote: > try WD40 first. It won't hurt and usually takes anything off. If it > doesn't, 3M makes a decal remover you can get at auto paint stores. 2 > cans, one removes the decal, the other removes the glue. I've had good luck with "Goo Gone". I think I bought it at K-Mart. I'd try a test patch first, like on the underside of your tank. Good luck. Randy Dow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:16:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07444; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02415; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10741; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:16:23 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA17028 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:14:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199710211814.AA17028@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:14:52 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:14:52 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:14:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:09:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Selling Used To: tjoseph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <344CEA64.3389@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME > I've read the suggestions, here and in magazines, about precautions to > take when selling a bike. Maybe I'm naive, or too trusting, but I've > sold many bikes and have never had a problem with letting someone ride > the bike before buying or leaving me a deposit. If you're worried about > theft, stealing a motorcycle is grand theft felony. Most folks willing > to do that are going to go steal bikes MUCH more expensive than mine. > If you don't think he/she can ride, ask for proof. So long as that > person leaves something with me, like his set of car keys, I'm > satisfied. When buying from private parties, I generally leave a check, ...funny you should mention that..I read in the post that last year the D.C./Va/Md police broke up a stolen car ring that stole junky cars and then *left* that car as collatoral while test driving a much nicer car..which (of course) they drove off and never returned...buyer beware... > ask for the title, but agree to leave the bike there 'till the check > clears. I wouldn't be annoyed if someone wanted a check before the > ride, provided if I get back and say I don't want the bike they'll tear > up the check. Again, I've never had a deal go bad with that strategy. > > Those are my PERSONAL feelings and the way I act. But for legal > advice, let me tell you this. Always make duplicate bills of sale; one > to sign and give to the buyer, one to have him sign and keep for > yourself. Why? Well, say the guy gives you cash for the bike, rides > off, and kills a pedestrian. There's nothing but that bill of sale you > retained to prove he - not you - owns the motorcycle. Play it safe for > liability; keep a duplicate bill of sale signed by the buyer and seller. > ..that's the same attitude that I took when I sold some guns...a bill of sale outlining specifically that the new owner takes all responsiblity and liablity and by signing this bill of sale agrees to those terms...I kept a copy (that says copy 1 of 2) with a signature from both parties and the buyer gets a copy (copy 2 of 2). I want to make sure that when the bike (or gun in this case) leaves me, I'm am free and clear of any liability. I was recommended to do this by Fairfaxes finest to cover my butt...I'd recommend doing the same with motorcycles. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:26:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07515; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02612; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11000; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.77.30]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA9145; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:25:23 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Selling Used Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:22:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971021182522.AAA9145@default> tjoseph- You don't let the new owner ride away with your tags, do you?!?!? That's something I'll always try to get away with when buying, but never allow when selling. Call me a hypocrite.... As for riding other folks bikes/them riding mine, somebody once said neither a borrower nor a lender be. I've ridden one of my friends' bikes (not including when I was a kid), and he has ridden mine. His is cheaper than mine (thus I could afford to replace it if the unthinkable happened), and he is a _far_ better rider than me. My ex and I switched bikes freely. I taught a friend to ride on my irreplaceable original 73 CB750, and I wouldn't do that again. He also rode my ex's sweet 78 CB550 for his drivers test, but wouldn't let her ride his Hawk when she was thinking about buying one. A-hole. No-one else has ever ridden one of my bikes, and I've never ridden anyone else's. Dave Choat offered to let me ride his K1200RS. I was flattered and tempted, but I didn't want to be (or feel) responsible for his month-old $17000 bike. Oh, and my bro-in-law rode my 87 once, and I've ridden his GSX to pick it up at the dealer or do work on it myself. That's it. I have ridden 40-some bikes, mostly at dealers and rallies, and some individuals' bikes for sale. Like I said, my 92 VFR is the only bike I've bought without riding. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:29:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07541; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02649; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11080; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA10446 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA00453 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021182723.HDLO14080@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:27:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Selling Used X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021182723.HDLO14080@[166.41.242.141]> Robert Johnston wrote: >So let me understand this. > >You want me to show up at your door with several thousand dollars in cash >on my person, in a city were it is a felony if I carry any weapon >concealed? Touche! You are of course, correct. But that's another reason to bring a friend. Hell bring your advocate if need be. Jay Goddard wrote: >What I have done in the past and I will do in the future is. If I think >the person is serious I will let them ride the bike but they have to >follow me while I ride another bike. Sure they could out run me, but I >will give it my best shot to stay with them. Another one I have heard >that has not been brought up is to let them ride it and follow you but >only give them half a gallon of gas. I once sold a bike to a guy with >out a license and I gave him a 30-30 (30 miles or 30 minutes). He was >happy I was happy. I've thought of the "follow me on the bike" thing, but figured like you that if they tried to run, I'd probably not follow for fear of an accident/ theirs or mine. The half gallon idea could be modified to 1/4 gallon with satisfactory results though....hmmm. thanks. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:37:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07667; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02722; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11489; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA10048 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:37:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA06766 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:37:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021183709.GXUJ14145@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:37:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Selling Used X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021183709.GXUJ14145@[166.41.242.141]> Tony Joseph wrote: >I've read the suggestions, here and in magazines, about precautions to >take when selling a bike. Maybe I'm naive, or too trusting, but I've >sold many bikes and have never had a problem with letting someone ride >the bike before buying or leaving me a deposit. If you're worried about >theft, stealing a motorcycle is grand theft felony. Most folks willing >to do that are going to go steal bikes MUCH more expensive than mine. >If you don't think he/she can ride, ask for proof. So long as that >person leaves something with me, like his set of car keys, I'm >satisfied. When buying from private parties, I generally leave a check, >ask for the title, but agree to leave the bike there 'till the check >clears. I wouldn't be annoyed if someone wanted a check before the >ride, provided if I get back and say I don't want the bike they'll tear >up the check. Again, I've never had a deal go bad with that strategy. > > Those are my PERSONAL feelings and the way I act. But for legal >advice, let me tell you this. Always make duplicate bills of sale; one >to sign and give to the buyer, one to have him sign and keep for >yourself. Why? Well, say the guy gives you cash for the bike, rides >off, and kills a pedestrian. There's nothing but that bill of sale you >retained to prove he - not you - owns the motorcycle. Play it safe for >liability; keep a duplicate bill of sale signed by the buyer and seller. Playing it safe is what I'm after as well. FYI, Tony bought a CB550 from me and I didn't demand he bring money up front. The reason was that I did not have clear title to the bike. It wasn't mine by title and I didn't feel I could ask for cash like that. After speaking with Mr. Joseph and meeting him (he was willing to ride a sputtering old 550 home in the rain), I took a personal check. Why? He seemed trustworthy and it wasn't the deal of the century; not much money involved. See? I'm not hardcore. I don't recall a bill of sale though Tony. Did we do that? If not, man was I being set up :-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:57:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08026; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03031; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12184; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:53:29 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:55:40 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fairfax Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:04:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08139; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03148; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12348; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000149.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.161]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04840; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:04:26 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9710211505.AA48587@204.91.98.131> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:05:48 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Selling Used Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline > I once sold a bike to a guy with > >out a license and I gave him a 30-30 (30 miles or 30 minutes). I do that too! Except the 30/30 I'm talking about get's pointed at the buyer. If he/she goes beyond a pre-determined point, I have MY friend take them out from a sniper position above that pre-determined point... Seems to work just fine.. ! ;-) Matt "Let's not get on that 'machine gun on a bike' thread again" Elliott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:06:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08179; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03175; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12420; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA21810 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA03854 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021190603.GVTL15514@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:06:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Removing decals X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021190603.GVTL15514@[166.41.242.141]> lighter fluid works *great* for getting gummy glue off just about everything, including gas tanks..and won't harm the finish either... Tar and bug remover does the same...... speaking of decals...anyone notice that the new fairfax county decals for 98 are almost see-through? I made the mistake of putting my new one over my old one and now the old one kinda bleeds through...needless to say..the color(s) now look pretty wierd... cheers, -aki `:-o I noticed this just before attaching the stickers to mine..do'h. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:06:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08185; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03178; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12423; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA21840 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:06:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA14244 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:06:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021190605.GVTN15514@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:06:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Subject: Re:softer bendable gloves? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021190605.GVTN15514@[166.41.242.141]> > I've been known to go to the extreem of wearing my new gloves >to mow the grass and trim the hedges just to break them it (looks dumb but it >works). > >Regards, >Tom Knapik >E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX >Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 I've used my gloves to weed out some rather robust thorns before. I've also got a thorn bush that needs trimming now and then, and the moto gloves work great for handling the brush. You could try some leather softeners, but I wouldn't. Re: I think it would take some of tensile out of the leather and they would wear out sooner. Wearing the gloves seems to be the only thing that works invariably well. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:35:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08617; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03550; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13222; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA03080; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:34:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA17533; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021193440.HNGL14080@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:34:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Adams, Bill" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fairfax X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021193440.HNGL14080@[166.41.242.141]> Hellooo Bill. What's so important about Fairfax today? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:55:40 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fairfax Importance: High Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:41:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08725; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03641; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13430; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id PAC082.78; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:41:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971021152850.0099fb00@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:28:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Removing decals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:36 PM 10/21/97 -0400, Richard Westbrook wrote: >Last night I really screwed up. I decided to remove some of the unnecesary >decals off my bike. Like the "Use Unleaded gas only" and "always wear a >helmet". The kind of stuff I can usually remember on my own. The first two >came off perfectly with no mess, but something went horribly wrong with the >last and smallest one. When I removed the decal all the glue stayed on my >tank. I tried a few cleaners but I was nervous about messing it up even >more. What will take the glue off without messing up the finish? Peanut butter. Really. The oils will often soften stuff like those sticker glues. Have you tried just using the old decal -- stick it on, pull it off, and repeat ... that can pick up the glue 'cause the glue on the sticker sticks to the glue on the tank. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:49:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08938; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03882; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13894; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA05900 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:49:20 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005875; Tue, 21 Oct 97 15:49:17 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA17588 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA877463206; Tue, 21 Oct 97 15:46:50 -0500 Message-Id: <9710218774.AA877463206@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 15:46:14 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Arai shield problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I remember something along these lines that had the word 'Pledge' in it.. eh John.. *chuckle* how about a desert topping.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Arai shield problem Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 10/21/97 1:35 PM In a message dated 97-10-21 10:47:12 EDT, you write: << Do not EVER use an ammoniated product on lexan or any layerd polymer like that of your windshield or viser. The ammonia effects the the plastic just how you have described...tiny fissures and cracking. Use soapy water and a good plastic polish (Meguires ok) like the Honda Spray Can stuff. >> YES! The Honda spray cleaner and polish is the stuff! It's like an infomercial product on tv that really works! I've sold 1,000 of cans of it. One try on your bike, helmet, etc will cause you to one of the Faithfull. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 16:26:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09648; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04821; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15186; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA22708 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA04905 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:25:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971021202529.HUPM14116@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:25:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Subject: Re: Ammonia on faceshield X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971021202529.HUPM14116@[166.41.242.141]> >I've been using ammoniated cleaner on my helmet shields (Shoei & Arai) >and I have had NO trouble. I'm NOT here to call anyone a liar but, >I'm curious as to why I have had NO trouble while others have. My >Shoei is well over 4 years old and both the tinted and clear shields >are in excellent condition. > >BTW, I need a small helmet for my SO. Anyone know where I can get >one used or cheap but still Snell '95(7) & DOT '97 approved??!! > >--John John, I have been attempting to find a resource to point to concerning why you should not use ammonia on polymers. For laminated polymers like your faceshield and most quality windshields, the basic answer is that the ammonia causes a chemical reaction which 'strips' the protective layer from the plastic. This allows other pollutants and anything else you'd apply to it to be 'absorbed' (for lack of better word). That's why a polish was suggested as it 'adds' a layer of waxy build-up over scratches and in some cases removes them. Eventually, without the protective layer, small fissures from movement, the sun, and weather will appear. In the most severe cases, the plastic will seem foggy and you wouldn't be able to see through. I have asked another list for further explanation and I've been searching some pages dedicated to polymers. When I get a more technical explanation for you, I'll pass it on. For now though, consider yourself lucky that you've not experienced these problems. BTW, a can of Honda Spray Polish is better than Windex by far. Check it out. You will be convinced. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 18:22:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11937; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07012; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout30.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19113; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout30.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA10657 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971021134910_-1025091095@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: softer bendable gloves? In a message dated 97-10-21 12:54:26 EDT, you write: << On another part of the glove problem.. Does anyone know how to get thick leather gloves really soft and pliable so that my fingers can move easily? Ive used leather oils, and Ive bent the fingers when damp and let them dry that way HOPING that they would get soft and move real easy. So far, they got a TAD softer, but not enough. I need them to bend easily. Any thoughts? Squeakers >> Try deerskin gloves, many motorcops use them. They are very flexible and the hide is warmer than leather. The only drawback I have found is if you slide down the road, instead of gloved hand sliding, there is a tendancy for deerskin to get traction, twist and break a wrist. Maybe if the hubby could bag a whitetail, you could join the cottage industry and produce gloves at home. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 19:04:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12436; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07244; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20029; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hgg-laptop (Pool-207-205-203-133.kop.grid.net [207.205.203.133]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA18578; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971021190422.0069e478@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:04:22 -0400 To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: softer bendable gloves? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <971021134910_-1025091095@emout02.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another glove I've seen is one made by (I think) Hind. They are made of kangaroo hide. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 :-( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 19:28:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12726; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07411; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20580; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:27:53 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA03368; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971021192528_-526684626@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: hgg@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: softer bendable gloves? In a message dated 97-10-21 19:04:24 EDT, you write: << Another glove I've seen is one made by (I think) Hind. They are made of kangaroo hide. Harry >> Yes, I have heard of them, but never seen the product, even at the largest dealer accessory expos. Many people don't want to hear or admit it, but dealers and independant bike shops are the place to go for size-sensitive products. Or sometimes motorcycle rallies, although I never attended any. Sadly as an (ex) employee of same, I had to work saturdays, and for 11 years, owned a part time vending route so I could enjoy working at dealers for lousy wages so my family could live the middle class life-style. By the way, one perk of employeeism was atttending the yearly Cincinatti dealer expo. It's like being a child in Willy Wonka's chocolate factory. You would drool so much, your chin was chapped for three days. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 19:35:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12825; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07451; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20743; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hgg-laptop (Pool-207-205-203-133.kop.grid.net [207.205.203.133]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA28802; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971021193531.0069cc28@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:35:31 -0400 To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: softer bendable gloves? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <971021192528_-526684626@emout13.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:27 PM 10/21/97 -0400, RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > Another glove I've seen is one made by (I think) Hind. They are made of > kangaroo hide. > >Yes, I have heard of them, but never seen the product, even at the largest >dealer accessory expos. I've seen them at the Motorcycle Shop in College Park. They are on Rt. 1 just south of 495. I tried the gloves on a few months ago. They are wonderfully comfortable, though quite pricey. The Motorcycle Shop 9594 Baltimore Ave College Park, MD 20740-1322 301-474-2228 Aren't the Yahoo Yellow Pages great?! Harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 20:18:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13292; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07809; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21622; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA08382; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971021201643_-1642811543@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: hgg@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: softer bendable gloves? In a message dated 97-10-21 19:35:29 EDT, you write: << I've seen them at the Motorcycle Shop in College Park. They are on Rt. 1 just south of 495. I tried the gloves on a few months ago. They are wonderfully comfortable, though quite pricey. The Motorcycle Shop 9594 Baltimore Ave College Park, MD 20740-1322 301-474-2228 Aren't the Yahoo Yellow Pages great?! Harry >> egg on my face. I've known the owner there for 20+ years, but don't go by often. The guy working the counter (if he's still there), Steve worked for me as a mechanic at Atlantic Cycle. I have the utmost respect for Ralph Flannegan and "The Motorcycle Shop" ( formally "the dirt shop"). For a small shop they are the stuff. I need to stay current. I used to visit every shop within 50 miles of 495 to check out the competion. I thought I was " Mr Know it most". No shoulder crying here, working at dealers with products from weed-whackers, m/c's, atv's & lawn mowers makes it difficult to be a master of all trades. Just like sitting in front of 1200 micro-fiches and having a customer come in and ask for a part for a 30 year old 100cc Yamaha m/c you remember seeing on the showroom floor when you were 15, but don't know the model number. Is this reminiscing too much for the group? Riding, living, eating, breathing, loving, dreaming, etc. motorcycles is/has always been my passion. Richard when they outlaw motorcycles, they'll pry my dead, stiff fingers from the grips. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 05:40:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA18341; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA15905; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout35.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA00159; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:40:14 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout35.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA01195 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971021132846_1959921123@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. In a message dated 97-10-21 10:39:31 EDT, you write: << You guys are hard core! When I bought my bike (which I saw on a street corner for sale) I called the guy, he came out, started the bike, I rode around the block, we exchanged money and title. It was no big deal so to speak. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX >> I have worked in dealerships and here is some of what I saw: Some will let you pay for the m/c, but get refund within 100 miles. Some have sent an escort bike with you on a test ride. One such escort witnessed buyer wick-it-up and get out of sight to crash soon after. His wife was busted up bad as the passenger and won a large lawsuit against dealer. Once the prospective buyer did not survive the test ride. I have seen dozens of new riders drop the bike in the parking lot or in the intersection outside the lot. It got to the point that I refused to watch a new rider leave. I'm glad I was a parts manager, I couldn't sleep at night as a saleman. No offence meant. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 07:53:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18789; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17107; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01070; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id HAA07558 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:53:08 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma007526; Wed, 22 Oct 97 07:52:40 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id HAA01581 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA877521016; Wed, 22 Oct 97 07:50:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9710228775.AA877521016@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 07:49:23 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: softer bendable gloves? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Gloves you all are talking about ar Held which is distributed by Helimot. Yes, they are fantastic gloves (personal experience). I've had everything from cheap olympias, to AGVs, and Fieldsheers on my hands - all of them practically disintegrated within a year of use. My Helds had just passed the year mark when my bike broke down, and next year they're going to pull double duty as my road race gloves. Amazing feel, great durability - and they cost it too. The CHEAP ones are $109. As far as the motorcycle shop, I thought it was a great shop for a long while - even got to be good friends with several of the people that work there - but Ralph is selling the shop to a guy named Roc - and he doesn't seem to appreciate a good customer. I've spent a LOT of money in that shop, and he refuses to give me any kind of a break on prices. So.. whee, guess what... the all-mighty dollar moves on somewhere else. Maybe I shouldn't expect discounts because I know them, but following similar situations at other shops all across the country, I've been treated well as a 'valued customer' *shrug*. Give the place a look though, they do have some great things for sale in there (some crap too - you can see that by the DUST all over it!) Ride safe.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 08:36:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19157; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18138; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01754; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA15180 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:36:14 -0400 Message-ID: <344DF38B.637D@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:37:31 -0400 From: "Robert W. Johnston" Reply-To: rjohns3@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Selling Used References: <01BCDE18.B6791060@johnston.citi.com> <344CEC76.BF7823D4@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay, 1. Just because I tell you to meet me at 121 North Tennessee Ave., doesn't mean I live there. 2. Then of course there is the getting from the bank to 121 N. Tennessee w/ $X,000 in my poket. rwj A well aremed society is a polite society. jay goddard wrote: > > I can't see robbing someone on your own door step to be a common move. > Sure they can have a friend around the corner or what ever, but so could > you. Or just come to my door with a shot gun fully exposed. I 'll > still sell you a bike, maybe a gun too. > > Robert Johnston wrote: > > > So let me understand this. > > > > You want me to show up at your door with several thousand dollars in > > cash on my person, in a city were it is a felony if I carry any weapon > > concealed? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 11:04 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: RE: Selling Used > > > > What did Jeannette say after meeting you, "I thought you were so old, > > but you're young", and baby faced, and just a tad bit suspicious > > looking. > > That guy must've been heavily insured for theft...hmm? > > ;^) ;^) > > > > I just don't want to deal with the paperwork if some smartass decides > > to just keep riding. I don't think I'm being hardcore. If you're > > there to buy the bike, you should have the money, right? So doing > > the deal before the test ride helps insure me against you dropping, > > or worse stealing my bike. I might ammend to say that if I know you > > well, I might let you ride a little. But really, I am only interested > > > > in serious inquiries. Bring money and show me your serious. > > > > Todd > > > > >You guys are hard core! When I bought my bike (which I saw on a > > street > > >corner for sale) I called the guy, he came out, started the bike, I > > rode > > >around the block, we exchanged money and title. It was no big deal > > so > > >to speak. > > > > > >Glenn Dysart > > >DysarGB@XXXXXX > > > > > >84 V30 Magna > > > > > > > > >> I will be selling two of my babies next spring, and like George > > have > > >> been giving alot of thought to the exchange part. So far this is > > what > > >> I have come up with: > > >> > > >> You Bring a friend. > > >> I will start the bike, cold. If you like we continue.... > > >> If I know you or not, we will negotiate the purchase price > > before > > >> you can test ride. > > >> You must show proof that you have a MC rider endorsement. > > >> You must either put up cash or cashiers check BEFORE you ride. > > > > >> I will hand title to your friend. > > >> You will be allowed 20 minutes to ride, if you don't return > > >> within > > >> that time, I'm gone. > > >> If you do return and don't like the bike, I get my title and > > keys > > >> after inspection of the bike and you get your money. > > >> > > >> Oh, yeah I bring a friend too so there ain't no funny > > business. > > >> > > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 09:09:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19378; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18365; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02308; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15540 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:08:30 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:08:30 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Selling Used Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:10:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT >> You want me to show up at your door with several thousand dollars in >> cash on my person, in a city were it is a felony if I carry any weapon >> concealed? Better a weapons charge than a funeral... Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 AMA IBA NRA etc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 09:59:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20072; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18951; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrin44.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03794; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:59:07 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) id JAA10122 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971022095451_1900777726@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the motorcycle shop/egg on face Brian, In a message dated 97-10-22 07:57:23 EDT, you write: << As far as the motorcycle shop, I thought it was a great shop for a long while - even got to be good friends with several of the people that work there - but Ralph is selling the shop to a guy named Roc - and he doesn't seem to appreciate a good customer. I've spent a LOT of money in that shop, and he refuses to give me any kind of a break on prices. So.. whee, guess what... the all-mighty dollar moves on somewhere else. Maybe I shouldn't expect discounts because I know them, but following similar situations at other shops all across the country, I've been treated well as a 'valued customer' *shrug*. >> I had heard Ralph was looking for a buyer, and had considered looking into the shop, but it's just too small a location for what I have in mind. Not staying current enough on all the local m/c business news is a result of deciding to spend more time with my family on days off instead of visiting other shops after spending the rest of the time working in one. One rant about customers/discounts: So often the first words out of a customer at the parts counter was; what kind of deal can I get on a_____? My thoughts- don't you care about the going price first? if Rolls Royces went on sale, 75% off for cash, would you run out and buy one? I have not shopped the Motorcycle shop's prices since I spent the last 14 years working at dealers in Virginia, but they used to be very good. I know everyone loves a discount, but if their prices were on par with local competiton, what's not to like? The best way to get a deal is to let the salesperson know you have shopped around and WILL buy what you want somewhere, have a price in mind, and have a mail order ad or catalog in your fist. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 10:03:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20100; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19019; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03916; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA08557; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:02:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA09020; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971022140229.JTDI14080@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:02:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971022140229.JTDI14080@[166.41.242.141]> Richard Wood Wrote: >I have worked in dealerships and here is some of what I saw: > > Some will let you pay for the m/c, but get refund within 100 miles. > Some have sent an escort bike with you on a test ride. One such escort >witnessed buyer wick-it-up and get out of sight to crash soon after. His wife >was busted up bad as the passenger and won a large lawsuit against dealer. I worked at a dealership as part-time sales for one summer. A fairly well to do son (of a foreign attache) insisted on riding the then new ZX10. He wanted to add this (then) new tech to his Ninja stable. Our policy, no test rides. We just didn't have the resource. Well this guy begged, and the saleman he was working for begged the manager in his behalf knowing the guy had the money to buy. He got his ride. Right up the driveway onto RT50 where he goosed the bike, and the new rubber slid right out. Crashed the bike bad and busted up his knee. He did buy the bike though, and new parts. Could've been worse for the dealership. I'm just relating to some of Richards experience here. But it should be clear now that you should NOT let someone just ride the bike without some protection to you. Money, BO-Sale, and now a release of liability. Shit. Maybe I'll just give my bikes to my brother and sister. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 10:39:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21055; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20048; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05563; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:40:15 -0400 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01CAC8FC@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy the m. Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:41:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Just cause they are your brothers and sisters doesn't mean they can't still sue you! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > without some protection to you. Money, BO-Sale, and now a release > of liability. > > Shit. Maybe I'll just give my bikes to my brother and sister. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 10:39:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21062; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20056; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05575; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15301 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:56 -0400 Message-ID: <344E1086.2788@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:41:10 -0400 From: "Robert W. Johnston" Reply-To: rjohns3@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. References: <19971022140229.JTDI14080@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy, I sure do miss the good old days. The last bike I bought, I just went over to the guys place, took the two out for a ride, came back and finished the deal. The population of morons is getting really dense around here. Must be time to move west... Todd Peer wrote: >... without some protection to you. Money, BO-Sale, and now a release > of liability. > > Shit. Maybe I'll just give my bikes to my brother and sister. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 10:42:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21094; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20078; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05649; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA27492 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:42:14 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma027469; Wed, 22 Oct 97 10:41:47 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA05129; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA877531164; Wed, 22 Oct 97 10:39:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9710228775.AA877531164@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 10:38:11 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: the motorcycle shop/egg on face MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ One rant about customers/discounts: So often the first words out of a customer at the parts counter was; what kind of deal can I get on a_____? My thoughts- don't you care about the going price first? if Rolls Royces went on sale, 75% off for cash, would you run out and buy one? I have not shopped the Motorcycle shop's prices since I spent the last 14 years working at dealers in Virginia, but they used to be very good. I know everyone loves a discount, but if their prices were on par with local competiton, what's not to like? The best way to get a deal is to let the salesperson know you have shopped around and WILL buy what you want somewhere, have a price in mind, and have a mail order ad or catalog in your fist. ----------reply-------------- Roc and everyone else at the shop knows me on a first name basis. They also know that I was spending about $100 a week in the shop (funny how you can always find something to buy at a MC shop.. or is that just me?). I did do price shopping, and would allow for some difference between mail-order and what I could get local. I'm willing to spend an extra few percent to a local shop over what I could get through mail-order to help them out. If it's not going to help them, then they refuse and I buy elsewhere. What got me was when I'd go in and say, 'well.. I'd like to buy XXXX - I've seen XXY and YYX, what's your opinion?' I get a good opinion, make my decision - (we're talking usually $100-$500 in purchase here) - ask if they can do any better on the price ( a price I know is marked up x% because he TOLD me!) and told no. Again, the almighty dollar wins out, as does loyalty - if someone goes out of their way a little for me, it sure does keep the cash flowing in for them. I suppose that's why I shop where a friend is parts manager - even when he moves shops. I know I'm getting the best advice, and I know that he'll give me the best price possible without my asking - no haggling, no worries. I used to watch the prices he'd give me - several months went by and he NEVER marked anything outrageously. The friendship came after I started buying things through him, not before. Enough of my ramblings... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 10:48:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21195; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20171; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05786; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.162] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.162]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP3RDF0QLS8X8LWA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:27:33 EDT Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:27:38 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Arai shield problem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IP3RDFT4ZM8X8LWA@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" NuFinish, as in the 'once a year car polish'? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 11:55:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22283; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20953; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07937; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA20631; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:59:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: RE: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy the m. In-Reply-To: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01CAC8FC@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After a couple of bad experiences (one minor crash, one several-hour joyride), I now tell folks who want to go for a test ride that they can do so as the passenger, me as pilot. In addition to the security advantages, I'm familiar with the bike and can probably put it through its paces faster and safer than an unfamiliar rider could. This also shows the bike's characteristics 2-up. Occasionally, someone insists on riding it himself. Instead of my "Nope, sorry.", I may try one of the cash-in-hand suggestions recently posted. But probably not. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 13:40:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24038; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23064; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout22.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11571; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout22.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA22369 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971021133819_-427065754@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short In a message dated 97-10-21 11:27:42 EDT, you write: << > What kinda gloves have you found that fit? My girlfriend has had a > horrible time finding gloves. Now, if she weren't so cold-blooded, > fingerless would be fine... > > > The problem is I HAVENT found any to really fit well, and Im ALSO cold blooded. My fingers and toes get cold easy, and then I start to shiver >> Squeakers, have you looked at "Olympia" brand gloves? They make some styles in women's xxs. If Fredericksberg dosen't have them, Coleman does. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 17:15:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27516; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26149; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18507; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.77.23]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA27159 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:06:43 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: dark tint shields Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:04:17 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971022210642.AAA27159@default> Hey, y'all-- More about shields. I finally showed up for my 8am class in College Park, and boy did that sunshine on the beltway suck. I had on my light tint shield, and I wonder if a dark one would be worthwhile. I'm kind of concerned I'd be just as blinded, while looking cool behind my smoked shield...... Thoughts? Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 17:32:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27728; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26464; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19517; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.76.80]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA16836 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:32:10 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: Hella Horns Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:14:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971022213209.AAA16836@default> Hey, y'all-- Some of you were impressed with my horn demonstration this weekend. Those who missed it, some of your fellow listers will tell you they are the loudest damn horns they've ever heard. I hoped my friend would give me a deal for you, but he says he can't do much. You can get them from Griot's Garage for $69.95. That's a mail order place with high-end tools, accessories, garage goodies, and knicknacks. A good place. Phone 800-345-5789. The horns are #77573 there. My friend will match that price if you want to get them in Rockville. Call Mike at Rockville Speed and Custom, 301-279-0070. I forgot the Hella part number. I'll try to check, or he can figure it out. You get 2 horns, brackets, a relay, and instructions. You'll need wire, some connectors, some zip ties, maybe a couple of bolts. The horns are large and could require some creative mounting locations. I can help you work that out. I've put them on 3 bikes. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 17:44:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27967; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27042; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrin42.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20051; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA17208; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971022174319_-91397100@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: rjohns3@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: get on da bus In a message dated 97-10-22 10:51:26 EDT, you write: << Boy, I sure do miss the good old days. The last bike I bought, I just went over to the guys place, took the two out for a ride, came back and finished the deal. The population of morons is getting really dense around here. Must be time to move west... >> Morons produce like rabbits. The bus leaves for Montana in 2 years, I'm driving, reserve your tickets now so you don't have to ride on the roof. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 20:50:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00507; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29979; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24399; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (spg-as31s54.erols.com [207.172.47.54]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12189 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971022205257.00af547c@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:52:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Horns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Speaking of horns.... I'm using a Fiamms 132db high note on my GSXR (where room for mounting definitely is a consideration) Running through the stock wiring, it sounds just as loud as an american made car. The best part: $15 at Western Auto (the bike shops will quote you $45 or more for the same horn) It may not make quite the sound of the Hella (I missed the demo) but it does get the cagers attention, and the price is nice. Collin I'm doin the ICQ chat thing tonight if anyone else has it and is on. ICQ# 435732 _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 21:29:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00842; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00302; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24935; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27306; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BEGRIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20938; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:29:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199710230129.VAA20938@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Horns/ICQ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:30:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Speaking of horns.... > The best part: $15 at Western Auto Cool I'll have to check that out next time we hook up, I may be interested in something like that. My bike has (2) factory horns, both suck. > I'm doin the ICQ chat thing tonight if anyone else has it and is on. ICQ# > 435732 > Now that's more like it! My ICQ ID # is 3123574 if anyone is interested.. -Berg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 21:35:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00898; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00332; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24990; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (abr-as7s57.erols.com [207.172.153.120]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25811 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710230135.VAA25811@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: "dc-cycle" Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy the m. Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:53:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garcia Oliver writes: > I now tell folks who want to go for a test ride that they can do > so as the passenger, me as pilot. Presuming I've never met you before, what's my assurance as the buyer that you can handle it 2-up and not send me off for an ambulance ride? As the driver, what's your assurance that the buyer is going to be a half decent passenger and not cause you to toss it in a corner (and as the owner/driver, there's little/no question as to who's going to get smacked with liability...). > In addition to the security advantages, I'm familiar with the bike > and can probably put it through its paces faster and safer than > an unfamiliar rider could. But it tells me naught about the bikes on-road ergonomics, which to me are different than just sitting on it in the drive. It also tells me naught about the bike's feedback, etc. I've done a bit of pillion, and you (I) really can't tell much about a bike's manners from back there. > This also shows the bike's characteristics 2-up. Noteworthy if that's an issue for the buyer, moot if it's not. > Occasionally, someone insists on riding it himself. Instead of > my "Nope, sorry.", I may try one of the cash-in-hand suggestions > recently posted. "You break it, you bought it." Sounds good to me. > But probably not. Why not, other than the aforementioned quasi-liability issue? Once they've "bought" it, it's theirs to cherish or destroy. If that's your concern, don't sell it. I've bought 21 motorcycles over the years, and of the ones that ran (granted, not the majority ;-) I've never had a problem with the owners just letting me throw a leg over it and taking it for a quick whirl. Had they asked for some sort of positive "you break it, you bought it" arrangement we probably could have worked something out. Had they flatly said no, I would walk. At this point, I'd be thinking there's something to hide. Sorry, but if it runs (and is licensed, maybe ;-) I *have* to test ride it. Hey, I'm the one with the money! If they don't want to appease this very basic request, they must not want to sell it very badly. Of course, no bike I've ever gone to look at was a "plastic fantastic" machine that can be totalled out by dropping in the parking lot, and a lot were 10+ years old with asking prices in the $750-$2000 range (ie: not a whole lot at risk). I've also travelled from 100 to 900 miles to buy many of the bikes. That says I'm serious, and (hopefully) also reasonably competent. Most squids or clueless newbies probably wouldn't travel more than 50 miles for a bike. So maybe my circumstances inspire more confidence from the seller. On the other side of the coin, I admit I don't have much experience. I've only ever sold 2 of those 21 bikes. One went to Clinton Cycle's used parts room, the other to a friend who didn't want to test ride it but who would have should he chosen to. I've thought about this before, and I would check for the m/c endorsement and get cash in hand, or at the minimum have them sign a "you break it, you bought it" agreement. A liability release in a testride agreement would help, but if he tosses it due to a problem with the bike that can be proven that isn't necessarily going to save your bacon. Yeah, court would suck if it came to that, but if you want to make a sale you can't screw too much with the customer. Flatly denying a test ride constitutes "no K-Y, and not even a kiss afterwards" to me, and to a lot of folks I know who ride. Hey Richard, start warming up that bus! Some more food for thought, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 21:39:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00947; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00434; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25093; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20625; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:39:19 -0400 (EDT) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA23964 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00025 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:37:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:37:09 -0400 (EDT) To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Horns In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971022205257.00af547c@mail.geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree with getting the horns from some generic source. You can get a handful of these from Trak Auto that are just as loud, although you may have to come up with your own relay. You can even go all electric, or the loud as sh*t air horns with their own little compressor. The most expensive of these at Trak was maybe $30. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 22:13:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01261; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00595; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25496; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.77.203]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA8086; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:13:17 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Horns Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:10:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971023021316.AAA8086@default> Collin- There were Fiamm owners present, and they were blown away. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 22:49:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01558; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00720; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25958; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23266; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA01365; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710230248.WAA01365@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rjohns3@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy them. Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:41:10 -0400 From: "Robert W. Johnston" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX finished the deal. The population of morons is getting really dense around here. Must be time to move west... Where do you think they came from? :-) Just kidding! - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 00:36:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03039; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01526; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27589; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.137] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.137]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP4JE7NL348X8LT1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:50:06 EDT Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:50:11 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Short To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <01IP4JEGBZ8M8X8LT1@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > I just got me some packets of those chemical thingys that >you shake and put in gloves and boots that are supposed to >heat you up. Im gonna give em a try. I DO get cold EASY. Have used those at zero degrees while snowboarding/skiing and can report that they work fairly well if you use them at the beginning of the day. Don't bother adding them later on. Funny you should mention them. I was thinking today that a trip to the hunting section of Wal-Mart is in order soon for just those things;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 00:37:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03049; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01539; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27601; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.137] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.137]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP4JE7NL348X8LT1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:50:03 EDT Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:50:07 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: RE: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy t To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IP4JED643G8X8LT1@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just cause they are your brothers and sisters doesn't mean they can't >still sue you! I see you have met my mother and her sisters. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 00:52:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03165; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01698; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27824; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.137] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.137]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP4JE7NL348X8LT1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:49:59 EDT Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:50:04 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: softer bendable gloves? To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IP4JEAN0RQ8X8LT1@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Try deerskin gloves, many motorcops use them. They are very flexible and the >hide is warmer than leather. Last winter, I saw a nifty pair of deerskin gloves at the ski shop. Removable liner. Picked them up. While they'll be a not good thing for skiing (leather plus wet???) they worked fairly well this morning. The pair I got were about $70 and made by a company called liquid. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 06:10:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04967; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05041; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01443; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.124] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.124]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP4VV81GLC8X7917@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:47:23 EDT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:47:28 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy t To: denizen@XXXXXX, dc-cycle Message-id: <01IP4VVF3PVK8X7917@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >If they don't want to appease this very basic request, >they must not want to sell it very badly. (Much cut, and I hope this doesn't seem out of context, or out of line with the bulk of what you wrote) I disagree. I think it means that they want to sell it, but not so badly that the seller is going to risk the liability issues. It's a decision all sellers have to make, and invariably, some are going to think that the possibility of a sale outweighs the possibility that this complete stranger is going to wreck your bike, and then take your home when you get the blame for him doing something squidly. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 06:28:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05017; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05100; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01530; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.124] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.124]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP4VV81GLC8X7917@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:47:20 EDT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:47:24 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: get on da bus To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, rjohns3@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IP4VVC5MD48X7917@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > The bus leaves for Montana in 2 years, I'm driving, reserve your tickets >now so you don't have to ride on the roof. We'll have to rent a semi to bring along the bikes;) Drop me at Big Sky. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 06:28:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05022; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05109; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01537; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.124] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.124]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IP4VV81GLC8X7917@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:47:15 EDT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:47:20 -0400 From: George Howell Subject: Re: dark tint shields To: klthomas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IP4VV8UXJM8X7917@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Thoughts? Yeah, take some classes later in the day. Main reason I finally quit my chem major is because chemists seem to have this bizarre fascination with being out of bed at about the same time I'd like to be going to sleep. Seriously though, I wear a pair of Vuarnet sunglasses while riding (especially since I had my Ray Ban's converted for prescription use:( One option they had was a special dark ski tinting. There is a MUCH darker band along the top and bottom of the lenses. Only in the middle is it close to a normal tint (and even that is darker than on most glasses). It cuts the glare from snow, but it also does a good job cutting down on the light when it is really sunny out. They weren't cheap, but have held up incredibly well, and I get a lot of use out of them (plus, I was so stoked to get contacts that I didn't mind paying money for a stylish pair of non-Rx sunglasses;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:01:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05413; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05358; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02221; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA16035 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:00:53 -0400 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCDF89.F91D6CA0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCDF89.F91D6CA0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: softer bendable gloves? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:02:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sam Club is selling a goat skin glove for around 20.00. I use a pair of = these gloves for riding and shooting. As to tractability, without = liners, I can field strip a Colt Woodsman. With a size too large, I can = use polypropylene liners and still change spark plugs with them on. With = the next size up I can put military wool liners and a hand warmer in = them, and still work the controls on my bike. Generally I purchase gloves a little on the to tight side, put them on, = wet them with alcohol, and let'm dry on my hands. FYI rwj -----Original Message----- From: George Howell [SMTP:georgehowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 11:50 PM To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: softer bendable gloves? >Try deerskin gloves, many motorcops use them. They are very flexible = and the >hide is warmer than leather. Last winter, I saw a nifty pair of deerskin gloves at the ski shop.=20 Removable liner. Picked them up. While they'll be a not good thing for=20 skiing (leather plus wet???) they worked fairly well this morning. The=20 pair I got were about $70 and made by a company called liquid. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:01:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05419; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05364; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02230; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA18480 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:01:08 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma018435; Thu, 23 Oct 97 08:00:42 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA27990 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA877607897; Thu, 23 Oct 97 07:58:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9710238776.AA877607897@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 07:56:54 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: get on da bus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats to be said about those of use who just moved FROM Montana less than 2 years ago? Hey, I have an excuse, I'm young and wanted to see the world... move to Montana, save your sanity. Brian McCoy - Homesick for the Rockies... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: get on da bus Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 10/22/97 5:43 PM In a message dated 97-10-22 10:51:26 EDT, you write: << Boy, I sure do miss the good old days. The last bike I bought, I just went over to the guys place, took the two out for a ride, came back and finished the deal. The population of morons is getting really dense around here. Must be time to move west... >> Morons produce like rabbits. The bus leaves for Montana in 2 years, I'm driving, reserve your tickets now so you don't have to ride on the roof. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:59:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05831; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05807; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03113; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA21174 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971023085835_40528897@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dark tint shields Kevin, In a message dated 97-10-23 02:39:20 EDT, you write: << Hey, y'all-- More about shields. I finally showed up for my 8am class in College Park, and boy did that sunshine on the beltway suck. I had on my light tint shield, and I wonder if a dark one would be worthwhile. I'm kind of concerned I'd be just as blinded, while looking cool behind my smoked shield...... Thoughts? >> Run a few strips of electrical tape across the top edge on any shield until you get the right coverage to block the sun out of eyesight. The tape will not hurt the plastic and leaves little to no residue when removed. Plus if you find a need for the tape, it's right in front of your face. Not super cool looking, but effective. The only drawback is eyeballing traffic signals, you need to look up a bit as if craving divine attention, which is not a bad thing. There was a product (and somewhere on the net currently a copy cat product in decorator colors) years ago that was a flexible dark tinted film that was affixed by static cling, but one day when I turned my head, it decided to cling to the highway. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:38:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06192; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06079; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03863; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA05272 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:36:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA12995 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971023133642.NOZB14080@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:36:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Weather Brrrrrroadcast X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971023133642.NOZB14080@[166.41.242.141]> My brookstone window thermometer registered (after tapping it) a brisk 30 degrees F this morning. Our fortunate yet uncharacterstic indian summer in early October has finally given way to the typical WDC metropolitan fall. Fall? The leaves on trees are visibly turning autumn colors, and the days are getting shorter, but the temperatures in this area always seem to belie what you'd expect from a fall season. The gradual cooling of a hot, to warm and now distant summer. One day its warm, next day freezing. That's the fall in WDC! Ah, well. That's how it goes. How happy I am that I decided to go ahead and buy the fleece liner that comes with the Darien jacket. It is an expensive accessory that has long left the itemized list on my master card. I am also happy to report that the confounded windshield that fits my ST1100, lending to my sweating in a 55mph breeze on a hot day, is a welcome design feature now at 30 degrees F. In fact, I'll be replacing the OEM with the +4in. windshield I have to further reduce the wind. That's the trick kiddies. Knock out the wind that seeps to your skin, and you will be a happy commuter just like me. :-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:52:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06300; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06244; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04125; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA13439; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA28156; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:51:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971023135131.NAVW14145@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:51:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "kevin thomas" CC: Subject: Re: dark tint shields X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971023135131.NAVW14145@[166.41.242.141]> Hey, y'all-- More about shields. I finally showed up for my 8am class in College Park, and boy did that sunshine on the beltway suck. I had on my light tint shield, and I wonder if a dark one would be worthwhile. I'm kind of concerned I'd be just as blinded, while looking cool behind my smoked shield...... Thoughts? Kevin Use it. But bring along a lighter tint, clear one. The days are shorter and you will get caught in the dark. I use plexi-glasses that are heavily tinted for the sun, and I can pop them out and replace with either a clear lens or (for rainy/cloudy days) and amber lens. Sucks to be caught w/o the changes. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:55:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06414; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06268; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04309; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id JAD253.17; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:55:38 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971023083101.0097e3c0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:31:01 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dark tint shields In-Reply-To: <19971022210642.AAA27159@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:04 PM 10/22/97 -0400, kevin thomas wrote: >More about shields. I finally showed up for my 8am class in College Park, >and boy did that sunshine on the beltway suck. I had on my light tint >shield, and I wonder if a dark one would be worthwhile. I'm kind of >concerned I'd be just as blinded, while looking cool behind my smoked >shield...... I stick with a clear face shield and put black electrical tape across the top to act as a "sun visor". Dark tint faceshields allow my eyes to open up -- and now that we know UV is one of the things that really damage our eyes, I prefer a clear shield and UV-protective glasses. Besides, I hate changing the faceshield, carrying the other faceshield, and being tempted to ride the wrong faceshield too long. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:56:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06419; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06272; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04313; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id JAE253.17; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:55:40 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971023083725.00981b10@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:37:25 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hella Horns In-Reply-To: <19971022213209.AAA16836@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:14 PM 10/22/97 -0400, kevin thomas wrote: >Some of you were impressed with my horn demonstration this weekend. Those >who missed it, some of your fellow listers will tell you they are the >loudest damn horns they've ever heard. ... > The horns are large and could require some creative >mounting locations. I can help you work that out. I've put them on 3 >bikes. I want to replace my Trak Auto air horns with something louder, and with a lower tone (mine sound sort of like Superman blowing on a blade of grass held between your hands -- sort of like a frantic kazoo). These horns of yours -- How big are they? They're electrical (not air), right? Do they have a rated sound power output (dB)? What do they sound like -- Large car? Small truck? Large truck? F-18 Hornet on a strafing run? How many heart attacks per mile are these horns capable of? thanks for the info, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:07:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06549; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06477; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04639; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12414; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA19784; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA19398; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:06:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971023140632.NCWL14145@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:06:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: jimi@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Horns X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971023140632.NCWL14145@[166.41.242.141]> >I agree with getting the horns from some generic source. You can get a >handful of these from Trak Auto that are just as loud, although you may >have to come up with your own relay. You can even go all electric, or the >loud as sh*t air horns with their own little compressor. The most >expensive of these at Trak was maybe $30. > >-jimi If you've had good luck with the air-horns, good for you. I've heard that the compressor goes out on these things. Besides, It'd be hard to locate room for a 6-7" air horn and 5x3x2 compressor and the air hose on most sport bikes. It'd look like crap on a cruiser IMO. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:01:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07357; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06906; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06059; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA07540 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCDFA3.13373620@XXXXXX>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:01:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: MC canopy. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:01:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a small canopy or awning cover similar to what racers use at the track that I could borrow on Saturday? I will be outside in a asphalt parking lot and need shelter from the rain. I can offer a case-of-beer for compensation. :-) Any help would be appreciated. Please contact me at meierch@XXXXXX TIA, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:18:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07598; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07050; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06504; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA24213; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:24:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:24:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Mr. Bill" cc: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy the m. In-Reply-To: <199710230135.VAA25811@smtp1.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Mr. Bill wrote: > Garcia Oliver writes: > > I now tell folks who want to go for a test ride that they can do > > so as the passenger, me as pilot. > > Presuming I've never met you before, what's my assurance as > the buyer that you can handle it 2-up and not send me off for an > ambulance ride? Somewhat greater than my assurance, as the seller, that a random test rider can handle it 1-up. Besides, I have a real financial incentive keeping you out of an ambulance. > As the driver, what's your assurance that the > buyer is going to be a half decent passenger and not cause you > to toss it in a corner (and as the owner/driver, there's little/no > question as to who's going to get smacked with liability...). We start slow, and stay slow til I have some sense of the passenger's behavior. As for liability, if I let someone test ride, I remain liable. Given that, I prefer to be the pilot. > > > In addition to the security advantages, I'm familiar with the bike > > and can probably put it through its paces faster and safer than > > an unfamiliar rider could. > > But it tells me naught about the bikes on-road ergonomics, which > to me are different than just sitting on it in the drive. How would they be different? > It also tells me > naught about the bike's feedback, etc. Valid point. > I've done a bit of pillion, and > you (I) really can't tell much about a bike's manners from back there. > I think you can tell a fair amount. If a bike has reasonable acceleration, handling, and braking 2-up, all of those will be better solo. Contrariwise (is this a word or am I just being contrary and wise?), marginal functions will show themselves more readily with the added weight of a passenger. You can also tell a good deal about how the bike was treated by how the owner rides it. > > This also shows the bike's characteristics 2-up. > > Noteworthy if that's an issue for the buyer, moot if it's not. > > > Occasionally, someone insists on riding it himself. Instead of > > my "Nope, sorry.", I may try one of the cash-in-hand suggestions > > recently posted. > > "You break it, you bought it." Sounds good to me. Sound good to me too. Now, what happens when the excited/inexperienced test rider misses a shift at red-line and crashes a couple of valves? "Naw, I never took it above six grand. It just lost power and started making those noises. You keep it." No thanks. > > > But probably not. > > Why not, other than the aforementioned quasi-liability issue? That's it. And no quasi about it. Once > they've "bought" it, it's theirs to cherish or destroy. If that's your > concern, don't sell it. > Agreed. > I've bought 21 motorcycles over the years, and of the ones that > ran (granted, not the majority ;-) I've never had a problem with the > owners just letting me throw a leg over it and taking it for a quick > whirl. Had they asked for some sort of positive "you break it, you > bought it" arrangement we probably could have worked something > out. Had they flatly said no, I would walk. At this point, I'd be > thinking there's something to hide. Sorry, but if it runs (and is > licensed, maybe ;-) I *have* to test ride it. Hey, I'm the one with > the money! If they don't want to appease this very basic request, > they must not want to sell it very badly. > > Of course, no bike I've ever gone to look at was a "plastic fantastic" > machine that can be totalled out by dropping in the parking lot, and > a lot were 10+ years old with asking prices in the $750-$2000 range > (ie: not a whole lot at risk). I've also travelled from 100 to 900 miles > to buy many of the bikes. That says I'm serious, and (hopefully) > also reasonably competent. Most squids or clueless newbies > probably wouldn't travel more than 50 miles for a bike. So maybe > my circumstances inspire more confidence from the seller. Sounds likely. > > On the other side of the coin, I admit I don't have much experience. > I've only ever sold 2 of those 21 bikes. Does this mean you've crashed the other 19, or ridden them into the ground? And you want a test ride? 8^) One went to Clinton Cycle's > used parts room, the other to a friend who didn't want to test ride it > but who would have should he chosen to. I've thought about this > before, and I would check for the m/c endorsement and get cash > in hand, or at the minimum have them sign a "you break it, you > bought it" agreement. A liability release in a testride agreement > would help, but if he tosses it due to a problem with the bike that > can be proven that isn't necessarily going to save your bacon. > Yeah, court would suck if it came to that, but if you want to make > a sale you can't screw too much with the customer. Flatly denying > a test ride constitutes "no K-Y, and not even a kiss afterwards" to > me, and to a lot of folks I know who ride. > > Hey Richard, start warming up that bus! > > Some more food for thought, > -- > Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 > denizen@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:18:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07603; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07054; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06508; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal.visa.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16213; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09972 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:17:40 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:17:40 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Horns Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:19:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT >>Besides, It'd be hard to locate room for a 6-7" air horn and 5x3x2 >> compressor and the air hose on most sport bikes. It'd look like >> crap on a cruiser IMO. I bought an air horn from a Harley shop in Savannah, GA on my way back from Daytona last March (haven't mounted it yet). the compressor is sized to hide under a stock Harley horn cover (about 1.5" dia by 4" long) with a single small chrome (naturally) trumpet. It's reasonably loud, but I keep looking at Fiamms and Hellas - I want something with enough grunt to physically move the offending cage over a few feet and to hell with esthetics!!!! Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 AMA IBA >etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:34:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07871; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07375; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06936; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02335; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA32069; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:35:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Horns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... Just a thought -- if some of these horns are decent looking, perhaps instead of hiding 'em, they should just be mounted in a prominent place, and documented as a feature. Might make more sense than trying to hide 'em... -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:59:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08276; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07607; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07622; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:59:52 -0400 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01CD08D4@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Selling Used Was: We don't start our bikes unless you buy the m. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:00:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) No offense Garcia but I don't like riding on bike with other guys whether I'm the passenger or the driver (makes me think of Brian's performance video). The bottom line is if *I* couldn't perform the test ride by myself I'd have to walk away. This is probably one of my main reasons I can't see myself buying a new bike. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Somewhat greater than my assurance, as the seller, that a random test > rider can handle it 1-up. Besides, I have a real financial incentive > keeping you out of an ambulance. > > > > As the driver, what's your assurance that the > > buyer is going to be a half decent passenger and not cause you > > to toss it in a corner (and as the owner/driver, there's little/no > > question as to who's going to get smacked with liability...). > > > We start slow, and stay slow til I have some sense of the passenger's > behavior. As for liability, if I let someone test ride, I remain > liable. Given that, I prefer to be the pilot. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:00:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08324; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07654; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07663; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Thu Oct 23 11:55 EDT 1997 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA07404 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA10805 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:00:07 -0400 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCDFAB.481E2CB0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:00:40 -0400 Message-Id: To: Subject: Horns Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:00:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are these (any) horns waterproof? (Mounting in the open could spell problem as it did for the relay on my '91 EX500) --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:40:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08896; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08912; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08700; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.78.131]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA13810; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:39:05 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , Subject: Re: Horns Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:36:42 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971023163904.AAA13810@default> The horns are waterproof, but you have to mount the coiled trumpet kind (like Fiamms) so they don't scoop up water. Relays are quite water-resistant when mounted with the contacts facing down. Some silicone sealer will make them waterproof, but I never had a problem on my CB750 when the relay was exposed and not siliconed. I killed some horns by mounting them too near my pipes. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:11:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09320; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09674; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09463; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.68.78.131]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA61; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:10:20 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Cc: "jolie jones" , , , Subject: Lawman Of The Day Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:07:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971023171018.AAA61@default> Hey, y'all- Here's my nomination: I was late for school this morning (big surprise). I got on 495 from 270 and, as is my wont, I headed for the _long_ merge lane for the 355 ramp to do some serious passing. Just as the lane was ending, ahead I saw I was about to pass an unmarked police car. Shit! Well, he'd surely seen me already, and I was committed to my line, so I finished my pass. I checked him out when I went by, and I wasn't sure it was really a cop. MD tags. If he was out of state, I wouldn't care. I pulled into the #3 lane and waited for him to pass. When he did, I looked the car over again. Big police tires, police hubcaps; it was a Crown Vic and you can't see the rear swaybar on those like you can on a Caprice. But no antennas, no spotlight, no beacon on the dash, no shotgun, no uniform. No plastic plugs where the antennas used to be. Pine tree air freshener. Maybe not a cop. So I eased up next to him and reassured myself, then accelerated. I was doing a bit over 75 when he pulled abreast of me and bleeped his siren. 3 years of good luck and careful anti-ticket countermeasures down the tube. (My lack of tickets certainly hasn't been from riding slow) I looked over as he made a "slow down" signal and went on by. That's it. Nothing else! I paced him at 65-ish while other traffic passed, and waved when we both got off at New Hampshire Av. I dunno, maybe he was a Fire Marshall just messing with my head, but regardless, Officer Friendly, I salute you! Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:31:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09614; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10080; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09957; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:30:16 -0400 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01CD08F0@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles , klthomas@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lawman Of The Day Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:31:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Sounds like a wanna be to me. I almost wish someone would shoot one of those guys. Maybe then it wouldn't be so popular to be a wanna be! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > made a "slow down" signal and went on by. That's it. Nothing else! > I > paced him at 65-ish while other traffic passed, and waved when we both > got > off at New Hampshire Av. I dunno, maybe he was a Fire Marshall just > messing with my head, but regardless, Officer Friendly, I salute you! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:36:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09695; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10383; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10073; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA17200; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971023133438_1600172489@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: klthomas@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lawman Of The Day Most of the cops I know all have pine air freshners in their cars because of some of the people they have to transport. He might have been a lieutenant or higher, they hate to write tickets. I owned an ex-unmarked police car once, it would freak many people. But I bought it as the "take the boys to Summit Point car" to see the races. It was fun on the WV back roads playing Dukes of Hazard until we did a front bumper plant jumping off a rise on Summit Point road. Richard In a message dated 97-10-23 13:18:19 EDT, you write: << I was late for school this morning (big surprise). I got on 495 from 270 and, as is my wont, I headed for the _long_ merge lane for the 355 ramp to do some serious passing. Just as the lane was ending, ahead I saw I was about to pass an unmarked police car. Shit! Well, he'd surely seen me already, and I was committed to my line, so I finished my pass. I checked him out when I went by, and I wasn't sure it was really a cop. MD tags. If he was out of state, I wouldn't care. I pulled into the #3 lane and waited for him to pass. When he did, I looked the car over again. Big police tires, police hubcaps; it was a Crown Vic and you can't see the rear swaybar on those like you can on a Caprice. But no antennas, no spotlight, no beacon on the dash, no shotgun, no uniform. No plastic plugs where the antennas used to be. Pine tree air freshener. Maybe not a cop. So I eased up next to him and reassured myself, then accelerated. I was doing a bit over 75 when he pulled abreast of me and bleeped his siren. 3 years of good luck and careful anti-ticket countermeasures down the tube. (My lack of tickets certainly hasn't been from riding slow) I looked over as he made a "slow down" signal and went on by. That's it. Nothing else! I paced him at 65-ish while other traffic passed, and waved when we both got off at New Hampshire Av. I dunno, maybe he was a Fire Marshall just messing with my head, but regardless, Officer Friendly, I salute you! Later Kevin >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 14:10:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10172; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11057; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 1