From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 11:57:28 1995 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Local tow service? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:57:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 951 I realize this is a last minute chance thing, but maybe someone can help me. While riding yesterday, my motorcycle died on me. I tried calling several dealer/repair places, but they were all closing for the day, so wouldn't come out to tow me. Luckily I was near a "self-storage" place and the owner said I could leave the bike behind the gate until Monday. Would I be better off calling the dealer/shops again for a tow? The bike is in Arlington, it's a Honda Nighthawk. I was thinking of using Coleman Powersport of Falls Church because they seem better able to get Honda parts, (in case I need any) even though Cycle Sports of Springfield is closer to me. So if anyone has suggestions for a tow service (I would imagine the dealers charge an arm and a leg for the tow) pls email me so I will be sure to see the message before going to work tomorrow, or if there are suggestions as to where to bring the bike. Thanks Louis From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 16:12:36 1995 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:12:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael James Lester To: dc-cycles cc: balt-cycles , sohc Subject: good local salvage yards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1 October 1995 Hello. I'm looking for salvage yards in the Baltimore/DC area. Are there any good ones closer than Delaware? I heard there was supposed to be a good one off New York Avenue in NE DC. I'm looking for stock pipes for a CB750K (1974). If you have a set (stock) lying around that you want to sell, I'm interested. Thanks to all for responses about my battery. Michael Lester SOHC/4 #104 mjl@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 06:03:49 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 06:03:47 -0400 From: "Robert E. King" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good local salvage yards As asked by: >> Michael James Lester >> >> I'm looking for salvage yards in the Baltimore/DC area. Are there >> any good ones closer than Delaware? I heard there was supposed to be a >> good one off New York Avenue in NE DC. I'm looking for stock pipes for a >> CB750K (1974). If you have a set (stock) lying around that you want to sell, >> I'm interested. >> I just recently bought a (very) used Kawasaki KZ440 that the previous owner's friend (?) managed to lose (!?!) the from foot pegs from. Pricing new ones at a dealer was fast approaching $200 (factory order, delay unknown). I saw an ad for Baltimore Cycle Salvage in the local Pennysaver want ads. They had almost the right pegs (different KZ440 model, neat year) for $20 each with brackets, and the missing front brake light switch for $5. They are located in South Baltimore just off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway AKA Route 295. Address is 1629 Warner Street, Baltimore MD 21230. Phone is 410-962-1335. The counterman/owner seems to know exactly what he has in his half block long warehouse. He will take phone requests, but counter service is FAST! How to get there: Take Route 295 north from Washington Beltway. Follow into Baltimore. The expressway will end while coming down from a bridge to a stop light with a couple of gas stations. You will see signs for Stadium parking and the local Animal Control facility indicating a right turn. Turn right, follow the Stadium Parking signs for about 2 or 3 blocks until you see the place on the right. Hope he's got your parts - it looks like the warehouse from 'Raider's of the Lost Ark', shelves off into the distance. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 10:12:20 1995 From: "Robert S. Fourney" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:12:13 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjl@XXXXXX Subject: Re: good local salvage yards Since your _buying_ there is a place in baltimore that is supposed to be OK, I can dig up their add for you. I've seen adds with different names and the same phone number, it seems to be the only one in Baltimore. I wanna say Baltimore Cycle Salvage? I have had bad experiences _selling_ a bike to them (my brother's GF`s bike, I resurected it once, she let it sit another year, she wanted to sell it, they said XXX dollars on the phone, but once they loaded it up and hauled it down there it was much less, they kept the bike, of course, and sold it later) Bob Fourney From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:15:00 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:14:55 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: WeinsteJ@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: diner delights Arrrrrrrgggghhh... you guys had a good time. Wish I had been there. Well at least I passed the MSF Advanced Course and acquired new skills. And drained my battery to the bottom doing it. We did a lot of starting/stopping. Oh, among other personalities in the class, there was a little 66 year old woman who couldn't have been more than 5 foot 6. Such a dear sweet grandmotherly type she was. Guess what she rides? Yeah... this big f***ing Harley FHL with hardcase saddlebags and she tooled that thing around the course better then any of us. The bike has well over 100,000 miles on it and this is the second time for her in this course. I think she's a member of a local Harley group and frequently rides that *bad boy* to far-flung rallys across the country. She was quite a kick. During lunch I bumped into someone I work with who also rides. Her name is Jackie and she rides a blue/white/chrome Virago. her husband rides a red Honda CB750 Nighthawk, much like mine. Did you guys run into them by any chance? They said they got lost way out on rt 50 and ended up going through Warrenton. Sounds like you had a blast. Sigh... one of these weekends I might actually have some free time. By the way, I definately recommend taking the advanced course if any of you get the chance. There's a strong emphasis on risk management and collision/accident avoidence. Lots of braking, swerving and cornering exercises. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:15:09 1995 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: Balt/DC Motorcyclists , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: got a hawk? need a seat? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII when i sold my hawk this past spring, the guy who bought it rode it home and was supposed to come back for the cover and stock seat (it had a corbin on it at the time). he didn't come back, and attempts to contact him produced no results. therefore, i offer the cover (with one small hole where the vinal part touched a hot exhaust pipe) and stock seat for a 1988- 1991 honda hawk 650. seat is in perfect condition. make offer. -D- donald@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 12:18:35 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:18:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: 2-strokes <2strokes@XXXXXX> cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Going to Summit Point? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone out there in cyberspace going to Summit Point this weekend (Oct 7/8) to either race or spectate? Any racers want help in the pits on Saturday? Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 13:42:56 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Meier To: Marasco Newton Group cc: 2-strokes <2strokes@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Going to Summit Point? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Marasco Newton Group wrote: > > Is anyone out there in cyberspace going to Summit Point this weekend (Oct > 7/8) to either race or spectate? Any racers want help in the pits on > Saturday? > > Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX > "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." > Could you please e-mail me directions to Summit Point? I would be coming from Arlington, VA thanks, chris cmeier1@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 19:07:17 1995 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:06:44 -0400 (EDT) From: The Mad God To: Christopher Meier cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Going to Summit Point? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well I will be there.. but just spectating.. --95 Ducati 900sscr From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 19:16:49 1995 From: BabeHman@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:16:18 -0400 To: mng@XXXXXX, 2strokes@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Going to Summit Point? Bryndyn, I'll be running my RS125 there this weekend. #926. I'm gonna be pittin' with a friend who's gonna run his Jurasic FZ. Funny thing is we'll probably be on the track at the same time! :-) Drop on by and say "hi"! Cheers! Scott '93/94 RS125 RT Remon Tea #10 '91 TZR250R (Deadlined) "From Hwy 58 to Aha Dam WERA Novice #926 with windy spirit" CCS Amateur #826 Powered by Orion, The beer of beers! LRRS Guest #020 ITSUMO BATTORU OK!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 23:47:42 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 23:46:30 -0500 To: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: hacker@XXXXXX (Dark Hacker) Subject: Re: msf advanced rider course >ok, sports fans- >i've arranged for a cams-only msf experienced riders course (erc) to be Cool! You'll need $2.00 to pay for the course book. Not required for the course but its offered and follows the book-learn'in part of the course. Lots of interesting MSF-styled theory about traction and risk management. Absolutely make sure your battery is fully charged. Mine died towards the end due to all the starting and stopping and it's a new bike. Make sure your tires are ok too. They do some rear-wheel brake locking in one of the exercises. >if you attend the course, there's no rqmt to wear ur cams t-shirt for the >yearbook picture. Hey, I didn't get one of these! :-( - Hacker "There's always room for ego" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ORGANIZATION: Fortress Of Computation EMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX NEXTMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX WWW: HTTP://www.access.digex.net/~hacker FTP: FTP://ftp.digex.net/~hacker SPOKEN: Dark Hacker TWISTED DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER: BWWAH HA HA HA HAA HA HA HA HA!!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 07:32:16 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 07:32:13 -0400 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Going to Summit Point? At 01:41 PM 10/3/95 -0400, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Marasco Newton Group wrote: > >> >> Is anyone out there in cyberspace going to Summit Point this weekend (Oct >> 7/8) to either race or spectate? Any racers want help in the pits on >> Saturday? >> >> Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX >> "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." Anybody who wants to help out in the pits can look for #911 (red FZR600) or #910 (white EX500) of Team Charm. We normally pit near pit out. Stephen Harris Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris/index.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 08:40:16 1995 From: Robert M Darden X-Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. X-Phone: +1 301 854 6889, +1 410 442 1673, FAX: +1 301 854 5363 To: Dark Hacker Cc: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: msf advanced rider course In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 03 Oct 95 23:46:30 -0500. Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 08:37:27 -0400 Sender: darden@XXXXXX hey, a bike shouldn't be running on the battery to begin with. do you actually have to stop the bike and restart it? I don't have a starter button - just touch the two wires together...been that way for quite a few years. Do I have to go get a starter button? bummer. will you do tutoring for us? You and mary could be on the sideline cheering.... maybe john will schedule the next ride when you are around. we want to do a thurmont breakfast and catoctin mountain ride. Won't be long before the sissy brigade will drop out due to weather..... bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 09:28:12 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Re: Going to Summit Point? To: harris@XXXXXX (Stephen Harris) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) In-Reply-To: <199510041132.HAA03743@mail.his.com> from "Stephen Harris" at Oct 4, 95 07:32:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text So with all this talk about Summit Point, I have a couple of questions. 1) Where is it? 2) How far is it from Richmond,VA? 3) What are the particulars on the racing? 4) What kind of lodging is available (assuming it is too far to get back to Richmond after the races)? Maybe I can make it up on Saturday... thanks, dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 09:48:33 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:48:17 -0400 To: Robert M Darden , Dark Hacker From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: msf advanced rider course Cc: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 8:37 10/4/95, Robert M Darden wrote: *snip* >to do a thurmont breakfast and catoctin mountain ride. Won't be long >before the sissy brigade will drop out due to weather..... >bob hey! I resemble that comment! -Sash From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 10:23:59 1995 From: Robert M Darden X-Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. X-Phone: +1 301 854 6889, +1 410 442 1673, FAX: +1 301 854 5363 To: "Michael A. Dow" Cc: Dark Hacker , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: msf advanced rider course In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 04 Oct 95 09:48:17 -0400. Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 10:15:51 -0400 Sender: darden@XXXXXX big blush here folks. I was going to raze the dark hacker a bit. Didn't realize I copied everyone....its easier to ride in the rain and snow and sleet with a sidecar...of course, we can't keep up on a good day (at least with my 25 year old machine *I* can't), so we make up for it by riding in bad weather and calling everyone else sissies. To make up for it, I volunteer to lead the ride the next time we have hail :-). bob '70 guzzi w/training wheel From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 13:06:12 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:06:09 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: darden@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: msf advanced rider course Subject: Re: msf advanced rider course Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 08:37:27 -0400 hey, a bike shouldn't be running on the battery to begin with. do you actually have to stop the bike and restart it? I don't have a starter button - just touch the two wires together...been that way for quite a few years. Do I have to go get a starter button? bummer. Well, sounds about right for a motorcycle that looks like the tractor from "Green Acres". Ooo-hooo! *ZING*! maybe john will schedule the next ride when you are around. we want to do a thurmont breakfast and catoctin mountain ride. Won't be long Oh drooool. My home-town is Frederick MD., very close to there. In fall this can be a beautiful area. I've driven that way a lot on the way to Hershey Pennsylvania, where my grandmother used to live. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 19:13:54 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael James Lester To: sohc cc: dc-cycles , balt-cycles Subject: smaller sized rear wheel on 750K MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 4 October 1995 Hello. I've got a K4 with a smaller wheel than the front; I assume that it was changed by a previous owner for better handling on the highway. Anyway, I'm going to buy new tires next spring and I'm wondering if it's worth looking for a stock wheel while I'm at it. Thanks. Michael Lester mjl@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 01:48:13 1995 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 01:05:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Williams Consulting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 95 CBR parts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am in need of 95 CBR 900 parts such as: upper fairing right mid fairing tail section fairing Any assistance would be appreciated. Jim ________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Williams, Director V 703-591-8800 Williams Consulting, Inc. F 301-513-9617 <<<< ims@XXXXXX >>>> ________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:06:30 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 13:05:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: msf advanced rider course What, might I ask, is "cams"? My motorcycle has several of them, do I qualify? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: msf advanced rider course >ok, sports fans- >i've arranged for a cams-only msf experienced riders course (erc) to be From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 10:10:29 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: Balt-Cycles List , DC-Cycles List Subject: MC wanted Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 09:52:00 EST Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Note: This has been posted to DC & Balt Cycles Lists. If you have seen it, delete now. After returning to work from an errand the other a day I was approached by the parking manager of the garage, he asked if I owned the Suzuki motorcycle. Thinking that the garage didn't technically allow MC's (I was once instructed by the garage management to just skirt the gate) I reluctantly answered yes (I had leathers on and helmet in hand so I figured he knew who I was). It suprised me when he asked if I was interested in selling it. Since I enjoy riding it and can not yet afford something bigger I told him that I wasn't selling. I wouldn't want to be without a working 2 wheeled machine. It turns out his wife just completed the MSF course and was bugging him to fix her MC. He doesn't ride but I gathered they own a small twin which needs some work. He would rather buy something that was already in working order. I was thinking that maybe one of my internet MC friends might be looking to get rid of a bike and I offered to post his request. He is looking for a 400-500cc MC, in good condition for around $800-$1000. If you have something that might work for him you can him, Stephano: 202-726-0142, or e-mail me and I'll run your message to his office. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 10:39:17 1995 Received-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 10:40:22 EDT Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 10:33:26 EDT From: "Bill Elwell" Encoding: 200 Text To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anyone riding on Monday? Hey, Is anyone planning to ride on Monday? It sounds like it will be a nice day. If you are interested in getting together, drop me a line at b.elwell@XXXXXX. Bill Elwell b.elwell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 12:43:28 1995 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: Bill Elwell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone riding on Monday? In-Reply-To: <9509068130.AA813000806@ccmail.mi04.zds.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Bill Elwell wrote: > 4 > Hey, > > Is anyone planning to ride on Monday? It sounds like it will be a nice day. If > you are interested in getting together, drop me a line at b.elwell@XXXXXX. > > Bill Elwell > b.elwell@XXXXXX > Sure, you wanna ride with me to work? Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 01:27:52 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Old Honda for sale CB360 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX (balt-cycles) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In very good condition ready to ride CB360. >From reliable transportation to collectable value there is something to be found on old Hondas and I don't want to hear anything against that from $15,000 Harley owners or oil squirting Brit Iron junkies :) If interested reply. Kosmas From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 09:13:32 1995 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:13:29 -0400 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Coyner Subject: Aerostitch Suit FS My wife is selling her Aerostitch two-piece suit. It's in excellent condition, size 42 long. Red w/black ballistics. Worn maybe twenty times. $495 firm. She's also selling her helmet, white Shoei RF-200, size medium, w/J&M headset installed, excellent condition, $150 E-mail me at dale@XXXXXX if interested. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------- A bad day on the bike is better than a good day at the office. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 10:41:35 1995 From: Aki Damme Subject: subscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text subscribe dc-cycles@XXXXXX aki.damme@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 16:36:22 1995 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:36:21 -0400 From: ward@XXXXXX (Charlie Ward) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX suscribe dc-cycles@XXXXXX ward@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 14 09:32:32 1995 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Parr run... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I know this is last minute, but is anyone out there going to the PARR Fall Foliage Run? I thought I was going with someone, but haven't heard from him yet. I still want to go (assuming the rain stops), but would perfer not to ride alone if possible. So if anyone was planning on riding, or just looking for a fun ride for tomorrow and would be interested in starting a small group, please either send me e-mail, or call me (703) 461-0922 (voice) or (703) 461-7933 (TDD). The details are as follows... Parr Fall Foliage Run (Poker run) Oct 15, 1995 Hall's Honda, Lessburg, VA Registration 9:00 to 11:00 AM 703-777-1652 >From Washington, take route 7 west to Leesburg, Turn left at Catoctin CIrcle (the light at Johnson's Charcoal House) go 7/10 mile to Hall's Honda on the left. Two route lengths (120 and 155 miles) are offered and a ferry fee of $1.50 or less is needed in addition to registration. So if this attacts interest from anyone, please contact me. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | No fancy quotations, yet!!! From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 14 13:20:43 1995 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:20:42 -0400 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parr run... "Louis F. Caplan" writes: > I know this is last minute, but is anyone out there going to the PARR > Fall Foliage Run? I thought I was going with someone, but haven't heard > from him yet. I'm waffling. I told a friend I was going (he's waffling, too) and I want to go, but I've got so much stuff backed up at home I really shouldn't. It'll probably depend on weather, how much I get done today, whether my pal plans on riding it or not, etc. I probably won't make the final decision until this evening when I call him. FWIW, I've ridden a lot of PARR runs over the last 10 years. They always put together a really nice ride. I endorse them highly. > Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX > Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC > DoD #1754 | No fancy quotations, yet!!! ^^^ ^^^^^ If I do come, I'll wear my DoD t-shirt. I'll be hard to miss. :-) I usually hit the sign-in near the end, between 10:30 and 11:00. I'll be riding a black GS850G, full dressed. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 21:14:05 1995 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "David O'Neill" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 23:02:06 1995 From: alauro@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Rider Considering a Dual-Sport... Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 03:03:58 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99a.107 I am a brand new rider (as in completed VA MSF course yesterday). I live in Sterling and my main interest in getting a motorcycle is for weekend recreation exploring country roads (at sightseeing speeds) in western Loudoun County and beyond. I will not be commuting on the bike or going on long trips, and am definitely *not* driving on the Beltway! . I'd also like the ability to go off pavement (dirt roads/paths/fire trails) - hence I'm looking at dual sports. I rode two bikes over the weekend (at the MSF course) - a Nighthawk 250 and a Suzuki DR125. I only rode the Suzuki for 20 minutes or so, but I liked it a lot better than the Honda. I am 5'8" tall and when I sat on the Nighthawk I felt like almost cramped. The Suzuki felt like it "fit" better. I'm looking at bikes in the 250-350cc range. My current favorite (without having ridden one) is the Yamaha XT350. Suzuki also has a 350, but Honda and Kawasaki have 250's. My questions are: 1) How much "driving" difference is there between a 250 and a 350? The prices on all of them are quite close (for the '95 models) and I wonder if I should try to get the most "cc's" for the dollar (or not!). The weights and heights are similar as well. Two somewhat motorcycle-knowledgable men I work with seem to think that I wouldn't be happy with the 250, but I'd love to get some other opinions. 2) Any pressing reason *not* to get a dual sport? Any feedback on manufacturers mentioned? 3) Any suggestions for great places to ride (on or off road) in the DC area? Thanks in advance for any feedback via the list or email. I'd also love to hear from anyone who's looking for people to ride with, and wouldn't mind a beginner tagging along! Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 02:08:37 1995 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael James Lester To: sohc cc: dc-cycles , balt-cycles , philly-cycles Subject: "sand cast" CB750s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 16 October 1995 Hello. I keep reading about CB750Ks that aren't "sand casts" in classifieds. What is a "sand cast?" Thanks. Michael Lester SOHC4 #104 mjl@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 02:24:12 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 02:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael James Lester To: sohc cc: dc-cycles , balt-cycles , philly-cycles Subject: WTB: CB750K stock pipes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 17 October 1995 I'm still looking for stock pipes for my K4. Anybody seen any not attached to another CB750? Thanks. Michael Lester SOHC4 #104 mjl@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 08:42:34 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 8:43:19 EDT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: re:"sand cast" CB750s ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Michael James Lester 16 October 1995 Hello. I keep reading about CB750Ks that aren't "sand casts" in classifieds. What is a "sand cast?" Thanks. Michael Lester SOHC4 #104 mjl@XXXXXX ===================================================================== Correct me if I'm wrong here. Early CB750 engine cases were casted in molds made of sand. The good news is that because the molds were sand, the tooling costs were cheap. The bad news is that the sand casting gave the engine a rougher finish than a metal mold. A some point in the production run, Honda switched away from sand cast engines, making them more valuable to collectors. Of course if I'm wrong, its probably because I own a Kawasaki ;-) Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company Richmond, VA Corporate Engineering Division From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 08:47:14 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: New Rider Considering a Dual-Sport... To: alauro@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199510170302.XAA22174@mailhost.mnsinc.com> from "Anita Lauro" at Oct 17, 95 03:03:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I am a brand new rider (as in completed VA MSF course yesterday). I Congratulations, and welcome. > 1) How much "driving" difference is there between a 250 and a 350? > The prices on all of them are quite close (for the '95 models) and I > wonder if I should try to get the most "cc's" for the dollar (or > not!). The weights and heights are similar as well. Two somewhat > motorcycle-knowledgable men I work with seem to think that I wouldn't > be happy with the 250, but I'd love to get some other opinions. For all around versatility, I like a 350 better. A 250 is better to toss around in the dirt, but a 250 limits your options on the street, especially high speed (>50 mph) roads. A 350 gives you a little bit more of a margin. Even though you say you will not be riding on the beltway, when you get more comfortable with your motorcycle and motorcycling, the thought of riding on the beltway and similar roads may not seem so intimidating. > 2) Any pressing reason *not* to get a dual sport? Any feedback on > manufacturers mentioned? One thing that should have been pointed out in the MSF course: The tires on a dual sport are not as good as street tires. You gotta take that into account. These are single cyclinder motorcycles, so they do vibrate a lot. With their long travel suspensions they make larger motions when braking. I have an '84 Honda XL350, so I'm not quite up to date on the newer bikes but from what I've read, the Suzuki DRs are closest to the 'dirtbike with wheels' Which means to me that they may be better in the dirt at the expense of less comfort on the road, but all bikes in this category have made some sort of compromise at the expense of comfort. > 3) Any suggestions for great places to ride (on or off road) in the > DC area? Too many places to list for on-road, but the rule I follow when looking for nice roads is 'look for roads with no lane striping' that aren't residential roads. I would really like to know some good places to go off road too! > Thanks in advance for any feedback via the list or email. I'd also > love to hear from anyone who's looking for people to ride with, and > wouldn't mind a beginner tagging along! Remember that when you go riding with others, make sure that they are fully aware of your lack of experience, and that they take it into account. Many beginning riders are drawn into riding 'over their heads' when riding with groups, in an effort to 'keep up' with the more experienced. Don't be afraid to set your own pace. I'd like to do some more riding (for fun, not to work) this fall, every good weekend it seems I've been teaching the MSF course. My scheduled teaching season is over, so now I can go play on the weekends. Who wants to go out and play? Matt Bennett mjb@XXXXXX http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 09:49:03 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: New Rider Considering a Dual-Sport... Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:48:00 edt Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 One of my favorite rides is to take Braddock Road west until you hit pavement, then turn left and take New Road, it turns into Mountain Road, then beside Bull Mountain, you can take Ridge Road (to the right) which has some wonderful first and second gear switchbacks up to the towers on the top of the mountain. There are also some very nice unpaved roads west of the Mountain in Loudoun County. Get a copy of ADC's 50 mile radius map of the Washington, DC area, many of the dirt roads that go through are on the map. Leon. ---------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:13:14 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:12:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dual sport roads A few summers ago I was looking for a farmhouse to buy in Loundon County. I bought a state map and made it my summers goal to cover every road on the map; paved, gravel, dirt, or mud. I covered about 80% of them in the evenings after work; saw a lot of interesting things, met a lot of interesting people. I did it on a sport-mod street BMW, but it would have been a lot more fun on a dual purpose bike. The point is: if you get a dual prupose there are a lot of excellent rides within 100 miles of DC, and I did not even begin to touch the gas and power right of ways. And don't get me started on the 3 eastern counties of WV. Have fun, Steve From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:29:32 1995 Date: Tuesday, 17 October 1995 10:24 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: New Rider Considering a Dual-Spo In-Reply-To: The letter of Monday, 16 October 1995 23:09 ET Anita, First off I would like to say that you should look into a used bike as your first. The reasoning for this is that you can get a better deal, you will probably be looking to upgrade after a year or so depending on how much you ride, and most importantly you will probably drop the bike sometime (like in the driveway) and be very upset if it is brand new. As far as how big of a bike you should get... I would have to say get as big (most CC's) as you feel comfortable with it will seem smaller after you ride it awhile. I am not the one to ask about manufactures, you see I ride American. I really don't know that much about the Japanese contingent, I personally haven't had that much luck with them. Carl B. 91 Sportster 94 Ultra From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:48:47 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Re: New Rider Considering a Dual-Sport... To: alauro@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) In-Reply-To: <199510170302.XAA22174@mailhost.mnsinc.com> from "Anita Lauro" at Oct 17, 95 03:03:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Since I don't have a dual-sport (or dual-purpose), my comments can be ignored and I won't be upset. I think that a DP bike would be one of the best things you could ride as a beginner, especially if you are tall enough to fit one well. They tend to be lighter than "street" bikes and all the bits on them (lights, mirrors, plastics) tend to be a bit more durable. Single cylinder motors, while more prone to vibration than multi-cylinders, are really easier to work on. I have owned an SRX-6, which is a Yamaha 600cc single street bike, for about 4 or 5 years now. While at the moment it is in pieces in my living room waiting for me to have the time to spend some time on it, I wouldn't get rid of it. Singles are fun, practical and you won't lose your license going 100+ mph on one. All the 250cc singles are gutless and you really don't want one. The XT350 is a nice bike. The extra 100cc's makes a noticible difference in power and it isn't any larger. The new Suzuki DR350 is also supposed to be nice. Don't rule out the 600's! Especially if you are not too short to feel comfortable sitting on one. They aren't that much heavier and the extra bit of power is nice. If you are going to be riding mostly on road, I don't think that you would notice the weight difference. The problem comes into play when you spend the day thrashing around on dirt trails on one (again, this has been reported to me and is not from my experience). As far as the tires go, if you end up not riding off-road at all, you can always put a set of street tires on your single and turn it into a super-motard bike. This is much like putting street slicks on a mountain bike. They become the indestructible city machine! later, uncle dan p.s. Actually, I'm casually looking for a small DP for riding this winter. I just bought a CBR600f3 and don't feel like riding it in the rain and slush amidst bad Richmond drivers. So if you come across one that you don't want, let me know! -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:16:44 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 12:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Miller Subject: Re: [sohc4] "sand cast" CB750s To: Michael James Lester cc: sohc , dc-cycles , balt-cycles , philly-cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Michael James Lester wrote: > 16 October 1995 > Hello. > > I keep reading about CB750Ks that aren't "sand casts" in > classifieds. What is a "sand cast?" > > Thanks. > Michael Lester > SOHC4 #104 > mjl@XXXXXX The "sand cast" refers to the production method used on the very early Honda CB750's. They built their early models before the full production equipment was ready, so they had to cast the engines the old fashioned way - with a sand mold. The sand cast models have a rougher finish on the cases, I'm told. They aren't any better than the later engines to my knowlege, but since they were a relatively small number, their rarity makes them a collectors item to some people. Frank Miller sohc4 #108 '70 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 18:29:14 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:28:15 -0400 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: sohc4@XXXXXX, mjl@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "sand cast" CB750s Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, philly-cycles@XXXXXX X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > 16 October 1995 > Hello. > > I keep reading about CB750Ks that aren't "sand casts" in > classifieds. What is a "sand cast?" > > Thanks. > Michael Lester > SOHC4 #104 > mjl@XXXXXX > They are the Junky old ones with the rough cast engine cases if you need to get rid of any of them I'll give you $100 K. Patrick Mahoney Long live the Pride of Sochirio From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 18:39:00 1995 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:38:10 -0400 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Rider Considering a Dual-Sport... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > > > > I am a brand new rider (as in completed VA MSF course yesterday). I > > Congratulations, and welcome. > > > Remember that when you go riding with others, make sure that they are > fully aware of your lack of experience, and that they take it into > account. Many beginning riders are drawn into riding 'over their > heads' when riding with groups, in an effort to 'keep up' with the > more experienced. Don't be afraid to set your own pace. > Matt Bennett > mjb@XXXXXX > http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb I SECOND This advice VERY STRONGLY . that is exactly why I ride mostly on the pavement. the guys that I went riding with on pavement help me learn to ride. that Kids that I had previously rode with (on the dirt ) said " come on Keep up " after getting hurt a couple times it just wasn't as much fun. (also on the pavement if/when you go down it is usually more serious, so it's more important to ride within YOUR limits not the bikes or fellow riders.) K. Patrick Mahoney From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 22:18:53 1995 From: alauro@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dual sport roads Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:20:52 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99a.107 On Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:12:42 -0400, Steve wrote: >A few summers ago I was looking for a farmhouse to buy in Loundon County. >I bought a state map and made it my summers goal to cover every road on >the map; paved, gravel, dirt, or mud. I covered about 80% of them in the >evenings after work; saw a lot of interesting things, met a lot of interesting >people. I did it on a sport-mod street BMW, but it would have been a lot >more fun on a dual purpose bike. The point is: if you get a dual prupose there >are a lot of excellent rides within 100 miles of DC, and I did not even begin to >touch the gas and power right of ways. And don't get me started on the 3 eastern >counties of WV. I'm glad to hear that a dual sport is a good choice for Loudoun County. I drove the Loudoun Fall Color Tour in my car last year, and went down some great country roads. I plan to go on the Tour again this year (it's this weekend) and am going to pay careful attention to any potential fun spots! Maybe after I get done with 80% of the VA roads I'll ask you about West Virginia! I think WV is an absolutely beautiful state and I'm sure it's even better on the back of a motorcycle! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:06:26 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Dual sports roads Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:47:00 EST Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I'm glad to hear that a dual sport is a good choice for Loudoun >County. I drove the Loudoun Fall Color Tour in my car last year, and >went down some great country roads. I plan to go on the Tour again >this year (it's this weekend) and am going to pay careful attention to >any potential fun spots! Be careful of wet leaves, they provide the same traction as ice. Also, keep in mind that the dual sport tires provide much less contact patch (on pavemetn) due to the knobbies and will let go much earlier. Be especially careful if it's wet. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:11:52 1995 From: Vimarsh Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:10:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Storing bike during the winter.. I was wondering if any of you guys ever needed to winterize your bike in the DC area. Winters are mild in MD except for an occasional snow storm I looked at the "winterizing the bike faq" and am not wanting to do what these guys are recommending liek disconnecting the fuel tank and stuff... I am sure I will be biking around still (can't resist it much) I sometimes bike to work (I did today) and it was pretty cold at 7a.m. in the morning. I just wanted to know if any of u guys got away without winterizing the bike in this area and riding the bike say once or twice a week during the winter I will be garaging the bike.. All opinions are welcome TIA, Vimarsh (EX500 91 (1200 miles in the past one month alone) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:21:03 1995 Subject: Re: Storing bike during the winter.. From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:20:31 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A I ride all year. I've been riding for about 4 years now, and never had to winterize my bike. I don't ride everyday, or even every week. It's probably a few times a month, once it gets cold. I do have a winter suit . With riding a few times a month, I've never had a problem with gas or oil gumming up. Do make sure, though, that your battery is good and strong. ymmv Caron >I was wondering if any of you guys ever needed to winterize your bike >in the DC area. Winters are mild in MD except for an occasional snow storm >I looked at the "winterizing the bike faq" and am not wanting to do what >these guys are recommending liek disconnecting the fuel tank and stuff... >I am sure I will be biking around still (can't resist it much) >I sometimes bike to work (I did today) and it was pretty cold at 7a.m. in the >morning. >I just wanted to know if any of u guys got away without winterizing the bike >in this area and riding the bike say once or twice a week during the winter >I will be garaging the bike.. > >All opinions are welcome > >TIA, >Vimarsh >(EX500 91 (1200 miles in the past one month alone) > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:34:57 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:34:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: Vimarsh cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Storing bike during the winter.. In-Reply-To: <199510181910.PAA13503@rac1.wam.umd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Vimarsh wrote: > I was wondering if any of you guys ever needed to winterize your bike > in the DC area. Winters are mild in MD except for an occasional snow storm > I looked at the "winterizing the bike faq" and am not wanting to do what > these guys are recommending liek disconnecting the fuel tank and stuff... > I am sure I will be biking around still (can't resist it much) > I sometimes bike to work (I did today) and it was pretty cold at 7a.m. in the > morning. > I just wanted to know if any of u guys got away without winterizing the bike > in this area and riding the bike say once or twice a week during the winter > I will be garaging the bike.. > > All opinions are welcome > > TIA, > Vimarsh > (EX500 91 (1200 miles in the past one month alone) > > i've only been riding since '90, but... i've never "winterized". i've always ridden year-round; even when snowed in, all i did was keep the bike covered, and uncover it every 2-3 days to run the engine for about 15-20 minutes or so... we never had so many consecutive unrideable days that i would think it worthwhile to put the bike up for the season. -D- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:18:39 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Storing bike during the winter.. Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:18:00 edt Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I was wondering if any of you guys ever needed to winterize your bike >in the DC area. Winters are mild in MD except for an occasional snow storm I ride cheap. . . I have three bikes that I switch between based on how much it will cost to fix the one that is in the worst shape. Here's how I do it. 1) If the bike is going to sit for more than two weeks, drain the carburetor float bowls. 2) If it will sit for more than a month and you know ahead of time, put some gasoline stabilizer in the tank and ride it for a few miles, then drain the float bowls. 3) I don't worry much about the battery, if it has the correct amount of water in it, and it's in good shape when you park it, it will probably be ok when you get back in the spring. They do like to be kept charged-up though, so riding it once in a while will keep the battery in good shape. Leon. >(EX500 91 (1200 miles in the past one month alone) '83 CX650C only 1500 miles in the past month (it was broke for 10 days.) '78 CB400A 900 miles last month - rode it while the CX was broke. '83 GL650 SilverWing - anybody got an extra fairing for an '83 Wing? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:05:36 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:21:04 -0400 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Storing bike during the winter.. In-Reply-To: crose@mail03.mitre.org (Leslie Caron Rose) "Re: Storing bike during the winter.." (Oct 18, 3:20pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Organization: Hughes-On-The-Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT About winterizing, > With riding a few times a month, I've never had a problem with > gas or oil gumming up. Do make sure, though, that your battery is good and > strong. > >I was wondering if any of you guys ever needed to winterize your bike > >in the DC area. Winters are mild in MD except for an occasional snow storm > >I just wanted to know if any of u guys got away without winterizing the bike > >in this area and riding the bike say once or twice a week during the winter > >I will be garaging the bike.. Winters are warm enough that you can get away with not winterizing the bike except for removing the battery. When it gets into the 40s or below and stays there for a length of time you should bring it inside. If it's garaged, you might not even have to do that. I grew up around Pittsburgh and you had to winterize from about October through March. Even then, you could get hit with a cold spell. -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 Hughes Applied Info Systems Landover, MD Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 19:34:12 1995 Date: Wednesday, 18 October 1995 19:29 ET To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Storing bike during the winter.. In-Reply-To: The letter of Wednesday, 18 October 1995 15:24 ET Vimarsh, I NEVER have had to winterize my bike. That could be because I have yet to have more than 7 days straight that I could not ride due to the weather. The weather isn't that harsh here if you don't mind the cold weather. If you do have to stop riding for a while (since you do have a garage) you should at least take the battery off and put it on a charger. Carl B. 91 Sporty 94 Ultra From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 07:47:47 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 07:47:41 -0300 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Ride bike during the winter! Hi, I'm new to the list. I've been riding since fall of '93 but my bikes have been my primary form of transportation since then, including the last two winters. I would say if the bike is stored in a garage and you go through most of a tanks of gas every couple of weeks, there should definately be no problem. I go through two to three (admittedly small) tanks a week all winter so I never give it a thought. I am lucky to have a garage and even a place I can hide the bike indoors at work if need be. I also keep a plastic cover at work in case it looks like rain, sleet, whatever during the day. The last two winters I rode with a leather jacket, rain pants (below 40deg), ski gloves, and an "Apple Warmer" neck warmer that velcros to your helmet and tucks into your jacket. A Fog City Fog Shield and breath deflector (over your nose) for your helmet are necessary equip- ment. With this gear I only had to crack open my visor at stop lights and could handle my 25 minute commute down 270 into the 20's with only my fingers getting numb. Note that my bike is completely unfaired and I'm riding at 70+ mph, a fairing or slower speeds would help. This year I have a "summer" and a "winter" helmet, the later of which will have a permanently attached neck guard of some sort (any using the Quietrider or have any other recommendations?). I also have a one-piece Aerostich suit on order and will have an electric vest and gloves (Widder), probably with a thermostat. These items should help a _lot_ and will require fewer, less bulky layers. If you are interested in an Aerostich, they have a beautiful new catalog and the suits now have hard-shell armor, but their prices have gone up about 5%. I am considering trying some other boots, since the hiking boots I've been wearing (all-leather with Goretex liner) are a bit low, taller ones should be warmer. If you live near Gaithersburg and don't know about Cycle Accessory Dis- counters, give them a try before you mail-order. Their prices are much better than the local dealers and close to mail-order for some things. They also have a shop, but I don't know much about their mechanic. I have had them mount tires for me, but I still have to go to a Honda dealer to have the rears balanced (single sided swing-arm). David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:20:48 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:11:08 -0500 From: khawkins@XXXXXX (khawkins) Subject: Re: Storing bike during the winter.. In-Reply-To: your message of Wed Oct 18 15:10:20 -0400 1995 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii >>I just wanted to know if any of u guys got away without winterizing the bike >>in this area and riding the bike say once or twice a week during the winter >>I will be garaging the bike.. Winterizing? BLASPHEMY!! Actually there are times in the Washington D.C. area when the weather might become quite brutal for 2-3 weeks at a time. Whether it's leftover ice from a snow storm or just too damn cold, sometimes you just can't get that maintenance ride in. A few squirts of "Stabil" in the gas tank and a quick ride during the midst of it all should pretty much keep the gasoline from turning to bubble gum in the float bowls. I usually get out at least once a week during the brutal months, always making sure to stay out long enough to bring the oil up to full operating temperature so that the condensation is boiled off and the battery is fully charged. I'll also run 10w30 Mobil 1 since it has a higher pumpability at these cold temperatures, hence the valve train isn't starved during the first few minutes. That should do it! Kevin klhawkins@XXXXXX '93 GTS1000 '95 Ducati 900 SS/CR From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:02:40 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:02:17 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Storing bike during the winter.. Speaking of winterizing.... what do I have to do to prepare my bike for a winter layup of say three months? Do I need to drain my oil? Do anything to the tires? Etc. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:20:00 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael James Lester To: sohc cc: dc-cycles , balt-cycles , philly-cycles Subject: pipes and mufflers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 19 October 1995 Hello. Thanks to all for suggestions about where to find pipes for my K4. Here's another. I want to be sure I understand what is meant by "pipes." I assume that they are the unit beginning from the exhaust manifold of the the cylinder, ending with the actual exhaust openings at the rear, and are all that rusty, formerly chrome-plated steel in between. Some have suggested that the "muffler" is distinct from the "pipe." Is this so for the CB750s? My part microfiche diagram shows four whole units (one per manifold). The microfiche, by the way, is incredibly handy. I paid three bucks for it and have printed up pages I refer to often for PNs (the local library has a gadget that does this). Although the PNs are sometimes out of use, the mail order people I've used for new parts seem able to figure out what you mean. Thanks for all/any replies. Michael Lester mjl@XXXXXX SOHC4 #104 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 11:10:25 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Meier To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Winter Storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While were on the subject, I was interested if anyone knew of a storage-like facility that would be basically a garage for rent. I also ride through the winter, (atleast most of it), but only have an outdoor parking space at a townhouse in Pentagon City. I would like to find a way to keep riding, (not put the bike into full storage) but protect the bike from the weather when parked. Preferrably indoors, the bike is already covered. There are two problems with putting the bike in a storage cube: 1) it is hard to find a small unit with an outdoor entrance, and 2) they all seem to require you to drain the gas and oil. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, chris From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 11:52:24 1995 From: dave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 11:52:21 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: winter storage Been alot of talk about winter storage. Maybe because there was a frost the other night. Anyway, I'm including 2 postings I saved from when I actually had time to read rec.moto. The first is the short version of what to do. The second is a bit more involved. Guess it depends on how important your ride is to you. Keep the sticky side down, -Dave -91 Katana 600 DoD #1852 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In any case: Gas: fill up the tank and add the recommneded amount of gasoline stabilizer, which keeps the gas from separating. STABIL is the brand name I buy, but there are others. Check the tank level occasionally to make sure not much has evaporated (allowing condensation) and top up if necessary. Battery: Lots of people tell you to remove the battery and store it. I never do; instead I hook up a trickle charger to the garage door opener so the battery gets 5-15 minutes of charge per day, enough to keep it alive and happy. check the water level occasionally. If you do remove the battery, don't store it directly on concrete and do trickle charge it occasionally. Cooling: Make sure you've got anti-freeze adequate for the expected temp. Tires: This is what the centerstand deal means -- to keep the tires from developing flat spots from sitting in one place. Either put a couple concrete blocks under the mid part of the frame so both tires are suspended, or once every 10 days or so, manually rotate the wheels and tires so they rest on a new patch of rubber. Other: I always do an oil and filter change before storage because oil that's been "run" begins to break down and contains tiny amounts of water and acids. I usually have a tune done, to, but that's just me. -- Art Campbell artc@XXXXXX 72227.1375@XXXXXX DoD 358 _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels. "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson |> Hi, |> |> I just bought my first bike this summer, and I'd like to know what |> everyone out there thinks about how I should store it. I've heard many |> things like taking the battery out, and I've also heard about putting it |> up on it's center stand. The problem with that is that I don't have a |> center stand on my bike. I also live in Minnesota, and It will be kept in |> a unheated garage for about 8 months. Any comments welcome. Please email |> me at: |> |> kfredric@XXXXXX |> |> Thanks, |> Kris NO! NOOOOOOO!!!! Not already!!!! Does the first request for storage advice really come earlier each year, or is it just me? OK, here's the best piece of wisdom I've ever read on the subject: ----------------------------WISDOM---------------------------------------- Ron's Encyclopedia of Motorcycle Storage The following list applies only for "Winter" storage. For multi-year storage, more must be done. MATERIAL REQUIRED: A Brain equipped with reasonable care and caution Motor oil & filter (correct type & qty etc) 2 stroke oil (or equiv.) (optional: Stabil gasoline stabilizer) pan to catch drained gasoline compressed air source or tire pump 2 foot (or more) section of small aquarium tubing (clean!) brake fluid and bleeding equipment (if desired) battery trickle-charger assorted hand tools and rags place to work, place to store battery PROCEDURE: 1. Wash & wax it. (Makes you more likely to want to ride it later though that usually isn't a problem.....:-) 2. Run it around enough to get it hot. This burns off the wash water and will warm up the motor oil nicely. Going to the gas station for a fillup across town should do. Fill the gas tank with highest quality gas you can find. Return to storage/work site. (Try to store it indoors. Outdoor storage is the pits. Rent a U-Store-It if necessary. If outside is unavoidable, use a breathable cover vs. plastic or vinyl. ) 3. Shutoff the gas petcock and drain the gas from the carb bowls. (there are usually drain screws.) I usually just top off the tank and drain the carbs. No fussing with tank contents. (I've given myself trouble from that.) ***************************************************************** This is the single most important step in the whole list! This determines whether the bike will start next time or not. Clean motor oil doesn't matter if the damn thing can't be made to run! ***************************************************************** Additionaly you can: Add STABIL gasoline stabilizer to the tank if you wish. **OR** Drain the tank completely, then add some light oil and slosh it all round the inside to coat the inner wall of the tank to prevent rust (gotta remove the tank to do this.) ==> If you have a fuel-injected bike, you're on your own!!! ==> A word about petcocks- There seem to be two basic types: the traditional ON/OFF/RES type and the vacuum actuated types where the petcock is off only by the balance of a vacuum diaphragm and spring arrangement. Vacuum petcocks are a potential source of ON even if they aren't supposed to be. A little bit of leakage past these guys can gunk your carbs pretty badly. If I were the owner of such a petcock(attached to a motorcycle) , I'd disconnect the fuel line from the carbs and add a long length of plugged line from the petcock and route it up to the area of the mirrors and secure the line in place. (note that hose end is not below tank level in event of problem) OR you could completely drain the tank. Your choice. 4. Change the oil and filter while warm. (Used oil has some acids formed in it. Water too. Fresh oil good. Used oil bad.) 5. Put a teaspoon or so of 2-stroke oil (or Marvel Mystery Oil(note 1) in each cylinder via the sparkplug hole. (Clean the area around the plug of grit/sand/mung before opening the hole. I usually use Simple Green or GUNK on the spark plugs with the wires removed and heavy rinse during the wash to clean this stuff up. Some folks use compressed air. Be careful, a piece of sand under a valve could cause it to burn later.) - I use a section of clear aquarium tubing to suck up some oil from the container and then blow it into the cylinder. Yes, by mouth. (don't pull the oil very far up the tubing!) Turn the engine over a couple of times to distribute the oil inside the engine cylinder. (Works better when plugs are out and this step goes before removing battery) Reinstall plugs loosely. Leave plug wires routed loosely. (You should consider having new plugs available for next year.) 6. Remove the battery to a place where you will remember to trickle-charge it at least monthly. (recording when you've charged it on a piece of paper near the battery will help you remember how neglectful you're being :-) Even if you don't care about the battery, remove it. If it freezes (32F, 0C) while the battery is discharged, the case will crack and spill acid on your frame. 7.Inflate the tires about 5 psi over spec **OR** better yet, block the bike up so there is no weight on the wheels. 8. Change the brake fluid. It's easy and can prevent corrosion which could result in sticking/dragging brakes later. (This should be an annual event regardless of storage.) 9. Wipe down the fork legs with Marvel oil and leave enough to keep the fork seals moist. 10. Lube the suspension (if grease fittings) 11. Do other lube jobs if you are so inclined. (cables, pivots, etc) 12. Put some kind of note to yourself on speedo that says: Battery Removed Spark Plugs loose Tire pressure to remind yourself what you'll need to do to go riding. 13. While bike is in storage, try to operate controls occasionally. (Clutch, brakes) If bike has weight on tires, try to roll the bike to a different tire position occasionally. ================================================================ Return to Service: 1. Check battery electrolyte level and give it a good final charge. 2. Unblock wheels. 3. Reset tire pressure to riding level. 4. Reinstall battery. 5. Remove spark plugs. Roll engine over several times with starter to circulate motor oil. (Probably should ground spark plug wires to engine head while doing this. Some electronic ignitions get an electrical form of "blue balls" and break if they can't discharge 8-) 6. Reinstall plugs and plug wires. 7. Turn on tank petcock (listen for tank gurgling as carbs fill). For vacuum operated petcocks, you may have to provide some vacuum to get the valve to shift. Some may have a "PRIME" position. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, Step #8 may solve.) 8. Choke engine and attempt to start. Use "cold start" procedure. On the other hand, don't be surprised if you flood it once before it starts....... (Don't forget to give starter a good rest between crankings. 20 seconds maximum cranking with 3 minute or more cooldown ) 9. Be patient. It will probably take several tries. Ensure there is gas getting to the carbs. (Esp. if you don't understand #7) It might take running the battery down and recharging before it will light off. (My '82 CB900F was like this.It *shouldn't* be this hard. My BMW and my Yamaha usually only require about 4 tries.) It'll smoke awhile as the cylinder oil goes away. Should also stink from hot dust on the exhaust pipes.:-) It may not run on all cylinders for a couple of minutes..... 10. Install new spark plugs. The ones you just started up on may be oil-fouled. 11. Perform thorough pre-ride inspection. (You might find some strange rodent nesting locations.) 12. Go ride. Battery probably needs charging :-)) ===================================================================== I've had good luck storing bikes and cars for up to 7 months at a time with these methods. (US Navy deployments and winter storage of bikes here in Colorado). Ron Miller Note 1: Marvel Mystery oil is a very light naptha-based machine oil with wintergreen and a little phosphorous in it. Many lightplane owners use it as a gasoline additive. It burns pretty clean in small quantities and isn't as gimmicky as it sounds. --------------------------END WISDOM-------------------------------------- -- { Pooder - Rochester, MN - DoD #591 }{ I share my space with: } { }{ Anitra - '93 900SS } { "What do _you_ care what other people think?" }{ Gretchen - '86 K75 } { --Arlene Feynman }{ Harvey - '72 CB500 } ------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 12:44:22 1995 Date: Thursday, 19 October 1995 12:38 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Winter Storage In-Reply-To: The letter of Thursday, 19 October 1995 11:19 ET Cris, I had the same delema with the added problem of 2 bikes that I would like to take with me when I go on vacation. I solved this problem with what I like to call a mobile garage. I bought a covered trailer in which I use as a motorcycle garage. I park them in it year round and lock it up. It also is very nice in the dreaded event of a break down. I can hook up the trailer and go pick up the broken down bike without haveing to pay enormous tow bills. I plan to put a couple of fold down bunks and a sink with holding tank so that I can camp in it also. It may not be the cheepest solution but if you amortise it out over the life of your motorcycle it is actually not bad. Carl B. 91 Sporty 94 Ultra From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:12:45 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:06:58 EDT From: "Mike DiTullio Loral FSC (609-485-7828)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: winter storage The first year I had my Hawk I used a product called Cycle Guard for winter storage. It's a giant thick plastic bag that you roll your bike into and seal up. The also give you 2 large reusable bags of desiccant to remove any moisture. Worked like a charm. Drained all the gas, changed the oil, removed the battery and sealed it up. Come spring I had a spotless bike. Since then they've expanded their line of products to include outdoor versions of Cycle-Guard as well as free standing storage "garages". I anyone's interested I post their number tomorrow. I just got their new catalog yesterday and there are a bunch of useful products for bike/car lovers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |spazman@XXXXXX | Atlantic City, NJ | |Spazman@XXXXXX | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:29:38 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:29:22 -0300 To: Christopher Meier From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: Winter Storage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >While were on the subject, I was interested if anyone knew of a >storage-like facility that would be basically a garage for rent. I also >ride through the winter, (atleast most of it), but only have an outdoor >parking space at a townhouse in Pentagon City. I would like to find a way >to keep riding, (not put the bike into full storage) but protect the bike >from the weather when parked. Preferrably indoors, the bike is already >covered. >There are two problems with putting the bike in a storage cube: > 1) it is hard to find a small unit with an outdoor entrance, and > 2) they all seem to require you to drain the gas and oil. >Any ideas? Well, there's my garage in Germantown. There's too little room to fit a car in it, but enough room for another bike or two. Rent would be determined by how interesting the bike is and whether or not I get to charge the battery. Hell, I may even pay you! David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:31:17 1995 From: Barry Frise Subject: Re: Winter Storage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 12:08:57 EDT X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] > While were on the subject, I was interested if anyone knew of a > storage-like facility that would be basically a garage for rent. I also > ride through the winter, (atleast most of it), but only have an outdoor > parking space at a townhouse in Pentagon City. I would like to find a way > to keep riding, (not put the bike into full storage) but protect the bike > from the weather when parked. Preferrably indoors, the bike is already > covered. > > Thanks in advance, > chris There was an ad in last weekends' Washington Post motorcycle classifieds (you'll find them in the sport's page) that sounded like what you're looking for. I think it had storage space, a place to work on your bike and even a biker lounge. I believe it was a 703 number. I just tossed last weeks paper out with the other recyclables but take a look in tomorrow's (Friday). No prices were mentioned. Barry Frise barryf@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 15:20:56 1995 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:10:18 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Octane boosting gas additives Looks like I'm back to using an octane booster, if I want to keep the timing advanced enough to start the bike on a cold morning. 104+ brand is the only one I found before that actually works ... all the others were just cleaners. Anybody have good experience with other octane boosters? And following up on another message, why would you *want* to use Marvel Mystery Oil as a gas additive? On Thu, 19 Oct 95 11:52:21 EDT you wrote: >Note 1: Marvel Mystery oil is a very light naptha-based machine oil > with wintergreen and a little phosphorous in it. Many lightplane > owners use it as a gasoline additive. It burns pretty clean in > small quantities and isn't as gimmicky as it sounds. Thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 18:37:33 1995 Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:37:52 EDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:35:09 EDT From: "Bill Elwell" Encoding: 1864 Text To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gasoline and other winter related stuff. As if you aren't already sick of "winter prep" messages, here is another. First, someone asked why use Marvel Mystery Oil as a gas additive. In some cases is does a wonderful job of cleaning carbon and other deposits in the fuel system. I have also seen automatic trans fluid used as a additive due to its high concentration of detergent. Please don't try this at home, though! These acts were performed by trained professionals. My second comment relates to storage of gasoline in a tank over the winter. I own a boat with a 150 gallon gas tank. Just like a bike, the drill is to add stabilizer and top-off the tank before storage. Stabilizer prevents gum and varnish buildup and the top-off minimizes condensation in the tank. In the spring, add some octane booster to replace the more volatile components of the gas which have evaporated and you are good to go. Until recently, this storage method has worked well. This spring some boaters experienced severe engine failures on their first time out with their boats. The failures were traced back to VERY LOW OCTANE FUEL. Here is the current theory. By the time we pack up our boats (bikes too) our tanks are full of oxygenated fuel. The compounds in oxygenated fuel responsible for raising the octane are very volatile. When spring rolls around, the gas in the tank is not fit for mechanical consumption (even with octane booster). This springs some boats were tested and found to have tanks full of gas in the neighborhood of 60 octane. Sorry, no suggestions. Just food for thought. Finally, does anyone have any hard evidence and explanation regarding the advice against storing a battery on a concrete floor? I have done some research and was unable to find anything on the subject (printed or otherwise). Bill Elwell b.elwell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 22:17:31 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: New Rider Considering a Dual-Sport... To: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9510172238.AA01163@inetcad.cordant.com> from "K. Patrick Mahoney" at Oct 17, 95 06:38:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to add an other detail of dual sports that a new rider may have to consider. I am pretty sure that most of them have electric starters and heavy batteries to add to their weight but in case they don't, or are not as reliable, or the battery and starter have been removed for weight reduction, the bigger they get the harder they start, or the smaller the rider the harder they start. I have seen light riders start 600s with a single kick but they have the art of starting a four stroke single perfected and they also jump 2-3 feet in the air with no problem too. I have also seen two stroke bikes get tags somehow (illigaly) but it is done. In most cases by professional riders who want to compete in enduro events, where a tag is mandatory. The number of even MX bikes with lights and registrations (yes even in MD) is surprising. Other states (as I know NY) produce off road, forest legal tags but look just like motorcycle tags. A 240lb 2stroke 250 enduro will kill any 600 4stroke dual sport unless superman Scott Summers is riding it. XL650R Hondas, legalized XR600s are popular choices and they have not changed much in years. So a good used one is a bargain compared to $5,000 new one. KTMs 400 and 604s are definately the best legal dual sports you can buy by far (all magazines claim this) but cost a thousand more. Husqvarna, and Husaberg also make 4stroke dirt bikes but nothing federalized to be street legal. For low budget, smaller size, fun dual sport that you can ride in your neighborhood's grocery store there are the XL250 Hondas and DR350ES and if it is still made the XT250/350 Yamaha. There is a big difference between the off road Suzuki DR350 and the DR350ES in frame, suspension etc. So these dual sports are more street than dirt, to the point they will get you in trouble in the dirt, but can still cruise a fire road better than a true street bike. Tire choices and setup is also important. 15psi on the street will kill you, 36psi on dirt will throw you next to it. The other way around they may be perfect. Strict dirt tires don't handle on the street, and street tires do nothing on the dirt but become flat. Choices, choices, choices. I 'd prefer to stick with strict road or dirt bikes than compromise both. KTM is pretty close in compromizing the least but you have to pay. The best dual sport tires also cost more than $100 a piece and don't last too long on the street but are not unsafe. If you are planning to legalize a dirt bike get either an old one, a european bike, or an out off state bike that the title/C.O. does not say "FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY" all over it and get a Baja kit. If it is an MX bike it will need a lighting coil. If it is an enduro bike it might have one that can pass by inspection with a strong battery to carry the signals, light and horn. Even professional enduro riders cheat by having a small 12V battery on the tech/inspection to keep the lights on and toss it in the first corner. I hope the information helped, write me if you need more or call me. I also know of a nice cheap $1000 XR250 Honda for sale. Kosmas From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 09:49:22 1995 Date: Friday, 20 October 1995 09:39 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Gasoline and other winter relate In-Reply-To: The letter of Thursday, 19 October 1995 18:55 ET Bill writes: Finally, does anyone have any hard evidence and explanation regarding the advice against storing a battery on a concrete floor? Well the only evidence that I have is that I had to take a battery back yesterday that had drained due to this. The reson that this happens is that the lime in the concrete tends to nutralize the acid in the battery causing the battery to lose its charge and also lose the ability to hold a charge. Keep in mind that a battery holds a charge due to a chemical reaction between the lead and the acid. It will fail to keep a charge if the battery loses the correct mix of the two. This could be either loss of acidity or loss of lead. I hope this clears things up. The battery that I had to replace was on a wood floor that is on a concrete slab. I thought the battery had to actually contact the concrete, i guess not... Carl B. 91 Sporty 94 Ultra From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 10:16:37 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasoline and other winter relate In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 carl.burkholder@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill writes: > Finally, does anyone have any hard evidence and explanation regarding the > advice against storing a battery on a concrete floor? > Well the only evidence that I have is that I had to take a battery back > yesterday that had drained due to this. The reson that this happens is that > the lime in the concrete tends to nutralize the acid in the battery causing > the battery to lose its charge and also lose the ability to hold a charge. > Keep in mind that a battery holds a charge due to a chemical reaction between > the lead and the acid. It will fail to keep a charge if the battery loses the > correct mix of the two. This could be either loss of acidity or loss of lead. > I hope this clears things up. The battery that I had to replace was on a wood > floor that is on a concrete slab. I thought the battery had to actually > contact the concrete, i guess not... not to argue, but thhe battery is sealed, presumably; how would the CaCO2 (?) get inside? i mean, even the contacts on the outside can't pass it through to the cells... can they? i once had a battery lose its charge overnight (after a 4 hour ride!) simply by sitting outside uncovered in the wind. it was dead in the morning. it did recharge just fine, however, and was still fine when i sold the bike years later... could simple cold be the true culprit? > Carl B. > 91 Sporty > 94 Ultra > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 10:41:05 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Battery question... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:37:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "carl.burkholder@amail.amdahl.com" at Oct 20, 95 09:39:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > > Bill writes: > Finally, does anyone have any hard evidence and explanation regarding the > advice against storing a battery on a concrete floor? > Well the only evidence that I have is that I had to take a battery back > yesterday that had drained due to this. The reson that this happens is that > the lime in the concrete tends to nutralize the acid in the battery causing > the battery to lose its charge and also lose the ability to hold a charge. > Keep in mind that a battery holds a charge due to a chemical reaction between > the lead and the acid. It will fail to keep a charge if the battery loses the > correct mix of the two. This could be either loss of acidity or loss of lead. > I hope this clears things up. The battery that I had to replace was on a wood > floor that is on a concrete slab. I thought the battery had to actually > contact the concrete, i guess not... > Carl B. > 91 Sporty > 94 Ultra > How does the lime in the concrete get into the battery? How long had the battery been sitting on the concrete floor? curious dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 10:44:18 1995 Date: Friday, 20 October 1995 10:36 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasoline and other winter re In-Reply-To: The letter of Friday, 20 October 1995 10:19 ET The lime doesn't actually get inside the battery it simply leaches the acidity out of the battery. If you want to do an experiment find a plant like azaleas that require a very acidic soil and plant them next to some concrete and watch theem die. This is caused by the concrete leaching the acid out of the soil. If the concrete is not available spread some lime on the soil around the azalea and watch it die. The lime sucks the acid out of everything. I also had the same question of how could it get inside the battery, I don't really have a difinative answer as to how the acid is leached through the case of the battery all I know is that it does. I don't claim to be an electo-chemical engineer but if you know one maybe he could provide a better explaination. Carl B. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 11:29:01 1995 From: Drbob27@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:28:23 -0400 To: kosmas@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Rider Considering a Dual-Sport... >Choices, choices, choices. I 'd prefer to stick with strict road >or dirt bikes than compromise both. What if you want to be able to ride 25-50 miles on the highway to get to the dirt? Mostly I'm interested in riding 4 wheel drive roads in CO, maybe a little low intensity single track riding, and don't want to mess with trailering. I'm assuming a 600 dual sport with compromise tires would be the best tool for this? I have a few road bikes :-). bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 12:56:56 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: New Rider Considering a Dual-Sport... Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 12:56:00 edt Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 To keep this thread on the same intellectual level as the thread on batteries, acid, and concrete . . . Aren't the 4 wheel drive roads in CO more than 25-50 miles from DC? I don't get out of the DC area much, but I really think you need a BMW R1100GS to do this. I don't think a 600 would be big enough for a trip that long, although compromise tires should make at least a couple of trips of that distance. ;-) Isn't the elephant ride in CO? Is that the one you're thinking of doing? Leon. >What if you want to be able to ride 25-50 miles on the highway to get to the >dirt? Mostly I'm interested in riding 4 wheel drive roads in CO, maybe a >little low intensity single track riding, and don't want to mess with >trailering. I'm assuming a 600 dual sport with compromise tires would be the >best tool for this? I have a few road bikes :-). From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 13:36:15 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:36:02 -0400 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Battery question... In-Reply-To: dpcook@factotum.rmc.com (Dan Cook) "Battery question..." (Oct 20, 10:37am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Organization: Hughes-On-The-Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Subject: Battery question... > > Bill writes: > > Finally, does anyone have any hard evidence and explanation regarding the > > advice against storing a battery on a concrete floor? > How does the lime in the concrete get into the battery? How long had > the battery been sitting on the concrete floor? The lime in the concrete doesn't get into the battery. A battery will normally discharge slowly over time anyway. It will discharge more quickly in colder temperatures. Put a battery on a huge heat sink like a concrete floor and it will discharge quickly. -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 Hughes Applied Info Systems Landover, MD Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 15:04:16 1995 From: Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 15:01:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: battery question On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 carl.burkholder@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill writes: > Finally, does anyone have any hard evidence and explanation regarding the > advice against storing a battery on a concrete floor? > Well the only evidence that I have is that I had to take a battery back > yesterday that had drained due to this. The reson that this happens is that > the lime in the concrete tends to nutralize the acid in the battery causing > the battery to lose its charge and also lose the ability to hold a charge. > Keep in mind that a battery holds a charge due to a chemical reaction > between the lead and the acid. It will fail to keep a charge if the battery > loses the correct mix of the two. This could be either loss of acidity or > loss of lead. I hope this clears things up. The battery that I had to > replace was on a wood floor that is on a concrete slab. I thought the > battery had to actually contact the concrete, i guess not... Donald DiPaula replies: >not to argue, but thhe battery is sealed, presumably; how would the CaCO2 >(?) get inside? i mean, even the contacts on the outside can't pass it >through to the cells... can they? >i once had a battery lose its charge overnight (after a 4 hour ride!) >simply by sitting outside uncovered in the wind. it was dead in the >morning. it did recharge just fine, however, and was still fine when i >sold the bike years later... could simple cold be the true culprit? That's a good question. According to general chemistry the lime, a base, must be added to the acidic solution within the case in order to neutralize it. Since there are any number of sources of basic solutions in nature the case of a battery is not only designed to keep in the acid but also to keep out other contaminants. Therefore it is highly unlikely that placing a battery on a cement floor would have a major acidic solution in the battery and effect the charge. Even in the event lime from the concrete floor (a small quantity compared to the rest of the ingredients) where to find its way into the battery, the amount of lime required to completely neutralize the strong acid in the battery would be considerably more than would seep through a hermetically sealed battery case. According to general chemistry and the laws of thermodynamics, the more sensible explanation is that temperature is the culprit. Chemical reactions rely on molecular movement. These movements absorb and produce heat. The battery will absorb or dissipate heat depending on the temperature of its environment (the temp of the concrete). The warmer the surrounding temperature the less heat is dissipated from the battery, more movement, and the faster the reaction (higher the charge). The colder the surrounding temperature the more heat is removed from the battery, the less movement, and the slower the reaction (lower the charge). The heat transfer also depends on the amount and type of contact the battery has with is environment. A concrete slab is a great heat sink. These are general cases that apply to batteries and many other everyday occurrences. That is why they recommend preserving the life of a lead-acid battery by putting it in the refrigerator, slows the chemical reaction. Battery manufacturers do place additional compounds in the solution to combat the effects of temperature change, but depending on the manufacturer, age, and condition of the battery it may not take much change in temperature change to cause the battery to APPEAR dead. Just an overview. Food for thought. Tom ******************************************************************************* * Tom Hormuth | '83 Honda Magna V65 VF1100C * * tom_hormuth@XXXXXX | '83 Yamaha Virago 500 * * Just another hyperactive cage rattler looking for a curve. * ******************************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 15:06:23 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: More battery questions... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text OK, how exactly to batteries work? From my electrochemistry class it's something like this... You got a reactive metal such as zinc stuck in an acid solution, such as sulfuric acid, H2SO4. The reaction is zinc -> zinc sulfate, the acid disassociates into SO4 and H2, which is the reason you need to vent the damn things and shouldn't smoke around batteries, the hydrogen which is given off. Zinc going to zinc sulfate gives off two electrons which is where we get electricity. Eventually all the zinc goes to zinc sulfate and no more electrons are produced. The battery is then officially "dead". When you recharge a battery, you are pumping electrons into the system and forcing the opposite reactions, i.e. zinc sulfate going to zinc. I think that some of the H2 originally forms H2O and so the sulfate goes back to H2SO4. There is always going to be a loss here and this is why after a few years you should put fresh acid in your battery to make it hold a charge again. OK, reactions such as this are temperature dependent. The hotter the temperature, the faster zinc goes to zince sulfate, the colder it is, the slower the reaction proceeds. This is why people who use lots of batteries, for example photographers, store the batteries in the freezer. They last longer this way. Cold doesn't drain the battery, it simply stops the reaction from taking place. Right, let's get back to the original reason for battery question to come up, which was what to do with a battery when storing a bike and will it be drained by sitting on a concrete floor. First, if you let a bike sit for 3 months with the battery in it, even if the weather is not cold, the bike will probably not start. The battery is connected to the bike, the bike is connected to the ground (via the sidestand if nothing else) and thus electrons are running downhill. If the bike was cold, it takes more juice to crank the motor, so there might not be enough left in the battery to turn it. If the battery was really cold, the reaction to produce the electrons isn't taking place and it won't crank. I imagine that if someone took the time to let the battery get back up to operating temperature before cranking the bike, they would stand a better chance of getting the bike started. This is what I had to do when I was a photographer with my batteries whenever I had to take pictures at a football game in the autumn, i.e. keep them in an inside pocket to warm them up. Regarding lime and acid. The lime has to contact the acid to neutralize it. In the case of the acidic soil, the lime from the concrete is being leached into the dirt and this is why the acidity of the soil changes. It's not some electromagnetic field effect that neutralizes it. You have to remember that motorcycle batteries don't have the cranking power of car and truck batteries and thus simply do not store as many electrons. They are easier to drain. If you end up with a dead battery, which won't hold a charge, before you replace the whole battery, go buy a packet of battery acid and replace the fluid in the battery. It will only cost you like 10 bucks or so and odds are it will work. For tomorrow's lecture, I will be discussing the combustion mechanics of hydrocarbons... later dudes and dudettes, uncle dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 16:06:25 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:07:23 EDT From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Killing batteries * >First, if you let a bike sit for 3 months with the battery in it, * >even if the weather is not cold, the bike will probably not start. * >The battery is connected to the bike, the bike is connected to the * >ground (via the sidestand if nothing else) and thus electrons are * >running downhill. * * Hmmmm. This isn't quite right either. It's internal discharge that * eventually leads to a loss of charge, and nothing to do with the bike being * physically connected to the ground or anything else. * Jeez, if you wanna kill a battery, just connect the two terminals. How hard can it be? :) L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 16:44:35 1995 From: DIRKP1@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:43:52 -0400 To: pmahoney@XXXXXX, sohc4@XXXXXX, mjl@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, philly-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "sand cast" CB750s If anyone has any biker stories, please send them to Dirk P1@XXXXXX I'm looking to make a personal collection. Any story in any form would be great. If my collection ever amounts to a colpolation I'll send out a copy thanx From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 18:23:22 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 18:22:15 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: Gasoline and other winter relate On Friday, 20 October 1995 09:39 ET you wrote: >Bill writes: >Finally, does anyone have any hard evidence and explanation regarding the >advice against storing a battery on a concrete floor? >Well the only evidence that I have is that I had to take a battery back >yesterday that had drained due to this. The reson that this happens is that >the lime in the concrete tends to nutralize the acid in the battery causing >the battery to lose its charge and also lose the ability to hold a charge. How does the lime pass through the plastic battery case? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 18:39:46 1995 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 18:39:37 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: Killing batteries >The lime doesn't actually get inside the battery it simply leaches the acidity >out of the battery. If you want to do an experiment find a plant like azaleas >that require a very acidic soil and plant them next to some concrete and watch >theem die. This is caused by the concrete leaching the acid out of the soil. Now place an impervious plastic liner around the azaleas ... how does the concrete affect the soil acidity on the other side of the liner? Under what conditions was the battery stored, other than on a wood floor above a concrete floor? It sounds like battery age, temperature, and battery charge would have a much greater effect than lime "leaching acidity" through a sealed plastic battery case. > I don't claim to be an electo-chemical engineer but if you know one maybe >he could provide a better explaination. I'm interested in the conditions of your test, or if this was a one-time occurence that you observed. Chemical reactions don't occur when the consituent elements cannot contact one another. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 21 15:00:20 1995 To: DIRKP1@XXXXXX cc: pmahoney@XXXXXX, sohc4@XXXXXX, mjl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, philly-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "sand cast" CB750s In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:43:52 -0400. <951020164351_75987730@XXXXXX> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 14:34:30 -0400 From: Phil Kester On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:43:52 -0400 dirkp1@XXXXXX wrote: > If anyone has any biker stories, please send them to Dirk P1@XXXXXX This one is one of my favorites. I picked it up off of rec.moto. It may even be a true tale - who knows? Great story either way though. ----------------------------[snip]---------------------------- In article Lawrence -Larry Page writes: >A friend of mine is wanted to know some ancient history. >Like how far Evel Knievel tried to jump over the Snake River >and what his propulsion system was. >Can anybody help? From: (The Nashville Flash) Subject: Rebus Knebus and His Leap... (long) Summary: Adventure Tale To the Center of the Earth Copyright 1991 David A. Braun (The Copyright notice is a friendly reminder to all Denizens that if they see my tales in print with somebody else's byline to lemme know. We can hold a weenie roast with the proceeds from the lawsuit. The weenie being the tale thief.) Back around the time that old Richard Milhous had his tit caught in the wringer, my girlfriend, the Bear, and I were touring around the country on an R75/5 BMW named "The Beast." We had all sorts of interesting adventures. Dare Demon Evel Kneivel had shot his mouth off about how he was going to jump the Grand Canyon on his motorcycle. For a number of reasons, including the fact that the Feds own the land on both sides of the Canyon and they aren't partial to suicide and the fact that a mile jump on a motorcycle is... well, impractical, Evel changed his plan a bit. He bought a piece of land along the Snake River Canyon outside of Twin Falls Idaho. That particular canyon was no where near as wide. But he *owned* an area for the "launch" ramp. The BLM owned the land on the other side. They refused him permission to "land" there. In the American spirit, he decided, "What the Hell." IF he landed there, they could prosecute him for trespass. Big deal. Reality set in when Evel realized that a half mile is STILL a real long way to ride a bike with zero road contact. So, he hired himself an ex-NASA rocket engineer by the name of Bob Truax to help with his "project." The end result was a sort-of-a glorified squirt-rocket. Remember those things you got when you were a kid? You put some water in it and then attached the included cheezy air pump. You pumped it up more times than the directions said to; and then lost it in the rain gutter in a vain attempt to fire it over the house. Bob & Evel's excellent adventure was a BIG version of the same idea... using 600 degree (F) superheated steam. They allowed as how Evel could set his fat butt in this thing which would be filled up with environmentally sound steam and uncorked up a ramp-rail at a 45 degree angle. At "just the right moment" Evel (ever in "control") would let go of a handle which would fire a 45 caliber blank to blow the top off a can containing a drogue parachute which would proceed to yank the main 'chute outta the ass-end of the squirt-cycle. The whole get-up would then return more or less gently to Earth and land on its nose which contained, as Evel put it, "a big shock igsorber." If the wind wasn't too far wrong, he ought to end up getting a ticket for trespassing. If the wind WAS unfriendly, he would either land somewhere else, the operative word being LAND; or else end up IN the Snake River. A rescue boat and cracker jack team of divers had been contracted for the second eventuality. The hope was that they'd be recovering Evel... not Evel's body. The whole event was staged on Evel's property, which gave him *some* measure of financial control over the whole thing. He got to sell the tickets. Of course, the press was interested. Maybe there would even be a book and/or movie deal to go with it. Worst case, his heirs would be SET. Well, that was the *plan*, anyway. The Bear and I were roaming around (in the seventies) looking for America. Twin Falls, Idaho seemed like a real fine place to see what there was to see, particularly in light of such a once-in-a-lifetime Event. So, we cruised on up there. We arrived three days before "The Jump." We found out that ole Evel wasn't gonna miss a trick... admission was something like $25 and camping was about the same... per night. Assessing the situation, we opted for "Plan B." There was a (state?) park up the canyon from the launch site by the name of Shoshone Falls which featured low-rent camping. Furthermore, it had a world class swimming hole at the top of the falls. The Falls themselves were pretty darn spectacular, too. We weren't the only ones to come up with this bright idea. When we arrived, there were already more than a thousand folks there. The ranger had given up trying to collect any camping fees. It was pretty funny actually. When you entered the park you picked up one of those "honor system" envelopes which you were supposed to mark with your "numbered camping area" and stick in the strong box with your three bucks. Well here are hundreds of tents, vans, and busses all over the place occupied mostly by scary-looking one percenter-type bikers. Somebody had long since stolen the strong box and the Party was roaring. It continued to grow, every hour of every day, until there was nowhere that there wasn't a tent, motorcycle, stoned hippy, or heathen biker. We soon found out that we didn't need to give Evel *spit* to watch him make History... if we climbed up on the rocks behind the Falls, we could see right down the Canyon. We had a free birds-eye view of the launch and landing sites. Cool. Time to party. This was the first time I had ever seen a bunch of Heathens doing their thing. There were vendors. You could buy motorcycle accessories, dynamometer time, food, dope, beer, liquor, more dope, tie-dyed clothing, dope paraphernalia, and even dope. Of course none of this was organized. There was a bottleneck at the entrance where an old converted school bus was parked. Occupying deck chairs on top was a rogues gallery. Whenever a bunch of new arrivals pulled up the heathens would show signs and holler, "SHOW YOUR TITS!" More often than not, the... uh... Ladies just arriving would flip up their t-shirt or drop down their halter top. A rousing cheer would result. It was generally a wide-open carnival atmosphere. Occasionally, things would get a little tense, however. There were quite a few "genuine" outlaw bikers there. We saw Hell's Angels, Grim Reapers, Satan's Slaves, Warlocks, and more. They came with their colors and their hardware. Several had leather rifle scabbards with rifles attached to their sissy bars. While some individuals did exchange words, we saw no violence. During the day, the activities generally consisted of preparing for the night. This included resting from the previous night and obtaining sustenance and/or provisions. Coming back from a provision run into town one day, we did see the aftermath of a beer truck hijacking. The thing had been picked clean, as if by a swarm of locusts. We also saw more than one Japanese bike burnt to the ground. In addition to Party Prep, there was a beautiful park to enjoy. This included scenic walks through both the splendid natural surroundings and the bizarre unnatural humanoid/biker/carnival surroundings. Besides all that, there was the swimming hole of which to partake. There was a shallow water fall of twenty or so feet that formed a large pool at the top of the actual Shoshone Falls which were about 150' high. The large pool had a bottom that was sand in places and smooth pebbles in other places. Rocks and boulders were scattered around to lay out and catch rays on or to keep your clothes dry while you got wet. Nuditity was the rule rather than the exception. Nubile young things and grotty old bikers cavorting in the sunshine. It was a "naturalist's" paradise. At night, the Party really got cranking. The restrooms were sacrificed to feed the bonfire. The doors made nifty ramps; so some nut on a dirt bike started skirting the fire like he was gonna jump it. A big heathen, naked from the waist down (except for his boots), hollered, "If you don't jump that fire, you don't have a hair on your ASS!" And then, as if to show what he meant, the big drunk stood on the "ramp" and picked up a brand the size of your arm from the fire, reached around behind himself and shoved it forward and up between his legs so it looked like he had this huge flaming hard-on. "Haaarrrghh!," he said. "RROOAAARR!," said the crowd. Several of us wondered if THIS guy had any hair on HIS ass after that stunt. So the guy on the dirt bike, his manhood duly challanged, started jumping the fire, with the crowd cheering his achievements. Then some other nut on an ATC (one of the DANGEROUS three wheelers) got into the act. Something went wrong with one of his big balloon tires and the thing fell over. He quickly scrambled out of harm's way. But the ATC was barbequed, much to the amusement of the onlookers. At some point, a lone state trooper arrived, on foot. There was no way he could have gotten his car to within a half mile of the campground as the road was so bottlenecked with vans and busses that it was a "motorcycles ONLY" road. He was in his fifties and a little on the pudgy side. The man didn't look like he was all that happy to be attending this particular gathering at this particular time. He inquired as to who had filed the report about the person going over the falls. Of course, with a crowd THIS big, nobody had a clue and everybody had an opinion. Furthermore, being drunk and stoned, they all wanted to share it. That brave officer then proceeded to borrow a wrench from someone to adjust a flood light to see the bottom of the falls about 150' below. I don't think anyone really went over. It was probably just somebody's idea of a "funny" thing to do. Burning the rest rooms had a definite effect on hygiene. The next morning, I wandered into the woods to take a leak. On my way back, I noticed a fellow brushing his teeth using the water from the stream through the campground. I pointed out the pile of "effluvium" in the water about five feet up stream. He shrugged and kept on brushing. Finally the big day came. We all climbed the rocks behind the falls to view the historic event. Someone had the forsight to bring a radio. He would periodically hollar out reports. At one point he said, "They just gave amnesty to the draft dodgers." (Which was a Relevant issue at the time.) This was greeted with many "YAYS!" and many "BOOOS!". Then he said, "No, NO. I got it wrong. They just gave amnesty to AGNEW!" Universal BOOOOOOOO! After several delays of the count down for one reason or another, it reached TEN... NINE... EIGHT... SEVEN... SIX... FIVE... FOUR... THREE... TWO... ONE... We could see the rocket on the launch rail squirt forward... but something was wrong. Before it even left the rail, the drogue 'chute was out. A red smoke plume was following the rocket. The main 'chute deployed while the rocket was still approaching apogee. The missle topped out about two thirds of the way across. It then pointed straight down, and hung from the 'chute with red smoke coming out the back. The wind was blowing the wrong way. The rocket dropped into the canyon. >From our vantage point, we had a perfect view of the action. The rocket drifted lazily into the launch-side wall of the canyon. It hit, the parachute collapsed, and then it slid down the steep wall. We watched it slide and slide. We thought it was surely going to go into the raging river. The motorboats with the divers were running up and down the river jockeying for position. It finally stopped after rolling over and over, just a few feet shy of the water. It was probably less than a minute, but it seemed like forever before the crews reached the big squirt-"bike" and opened the hatch. Evel was alright. Yay! We heard later that when it dropped out of sight of the people who had actually paid money, there was a riot. The people in the back rushed the fence. Those in the front were afraid of getting pushed over the edge, so a brawl started. We stopped by the "pay" area later, on our way out, to get a close look at the facilities (since it was now "free"). A Cadillac had been torched as had a few more Jap bikes. The ramp looked just like it did from further away, only it was bigger. (What did we THINK!?) The throng of the lunatic fringe of humanity was headed, for the most part, south. So we opted to head north. We found some beautiful country in Idaho. There's more tales to tell about Idaho. But not now. Reading up on the subject in the newspapers and mazagines put the sequence of events in perspective. When the "sky-cycle" went POOT!, Evel probably lost conciousness momentarily. He, at the very least, lost his grip on the handle he was supposed to be holding to keep the lid on the 'chute can. Whether or not the thing would have made it across if the parachute had not been deployed so early is anybody's guess. I think it might have. No matter what, you have to hand it to old Evel Kneivel. He shot his mouth off about how he was gonna jump the Grand Canyon on a motorcycle, and then he did his damndest to do SOMETHING to back it up. Maybe it wasn't the Grand Canyon. And maybe it wasn't REALLY a motorcycle. But, I KNOW I wouldn't have set MY butt in that thing. Would YOU? And for a brief, shining moment, Evel Kneivel was known around the world. =============================================================================== E' Pericoloso Sporgersi. Ne Pas Se Pencher Au Dehors. Nicht Hinauslehnen. The Nashville Flash - dab@XXXXXX - DoD # 412 - DoD #412 - Flash@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 22 09:39:10 1995 From: alauro@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Rider, Dual Sport & Kick Starting! Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:37:40 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99a.107 Thanks to everyone for all the great advice last week! I took delivery of a new '94 Yamaha XT350 yesterday. So far I really like the bike, but am a bit perplexed by this whole kickstarting business (yes, if an electric start 350 was available, I'd probably have bought that one. The Suzuki DR350 was too big for me). Rather than practicing riding the bike around the neighborhood, I wound up practicing starting it! I was able to successfully start the bike a number of times. The problem is, I couldn't figure out what I was doing *right* those times! There were many times I couldn't get it started no matter what I tried! I seemed to have more success with the choke in and the throttle slightly open than with just the choke out (this was suggested to me by the salesperson who said the bike would be harder to start until it was broken in). So, here's my question: What is the main factor in successfully kickstarting a motorcycle? Is it strength, quickness or technique? I realize that may be an impossible question to answer without having started this particular bike, but maybe someone can point me in the right direction as to what I should concentrate on. I'm never going to get in the 600 breakin miles driving around the parking lot in front of my house (and the neighbors would kill me!). Thanks for any assistance you might lend! Also, thanks for bearing with me while I ask these "newbie" questions! Anita Lauro ('94 Yamaha XT350) <---- new signature! PS - Despite the starting problems, I really do like the bike! I can't wait to become experienced enough on it to "head west"! I guess I need to find a riding partner who can kickstart a bike! No, actually I'd rather get the hang of it myself! From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 22 16:27:15 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:27:00 PST Subject: Re: Storing bike during the winter.. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > I was wondering if any of you guys ever needed to winterize your bike > in the DC area. Winters are mild in MD except for an occasional snow storm I lived in DC's suburbs from 1980 to 1994 and never winterized a bike. Sure, there would be a week or two when snowy and icey roads kept the bike in the garage. However, in fifteen years, the longest I kept the bike parked was three weeks. And that happened only twice! You can ride all year long if you have the right clothes. That's the limiting factor for dry roads or wet roads when temperatures are over 32 degrees. You need: * Electric vest. Nobody who tries one is ever without one again. * Electric gloves or Electrically heated handlebar grips. The gloves are warmer, the grips more convenient. Note the grips don't help while you're holding the clutch lever (heat sink) in at a stop light. * Long thermal underwear. * Waterproof rain boots (or covers) and a leak free rain suit. * Warm motorcycle coat and overalls. These must be windproof! Note that ski clothes are often not wind proof enough because of the need for sweat to evaporate. * Something to cover your throat. I use a fleece collar but "throat coats" that attach to the helmet are just as good. * Something to cover your face if you use an open face helmet. Full face helmets are warmer also they fog up more easily. * A helmet that covers your ears! Those shorty helmets must be cold at 20 degrees. Last November I rode from DC to Northern Idaho. Except for Texas, temperatures were in the high thirties most of the time. Even so, good clothes kept me warm and dry while riding. The only time I was cold was getting dressed/undressed in the campgrounds. Brrr. Wish I had remembered a knit cap! I rode all last winter in Idaho except for one four week period when the snow was thick on the roads and I flew east for Xmas. I rode 800 miles in January alone! Sure it was cold (teens in the morning) but as long as the roads are dry, you can ride. Wonder if I'll get lucky again this winter.... North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 22 19:03:20 1995 From: Hawg333@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:02:48 -0400 To: bruce_dimon@XXXXXX, dimon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Storing bike during winter.. (no need) Like Mr Dimon, I too lived in the DC suburbs for a number of years, and never needed to "store the bike" for more than three weeks. I think it's key to note that you really need a garage though. When I first moved to DC I was in an apartment without a garage. I felt that the elements were able to take a harsher toll on my bike. I'm speaking of the the moisture and salt. Plus, I don't think anyone would argue the security issue. Self-storage facilities are often a convenient option for folks without garages. I live in Texas now; and again, a garage is a must. We have sand storms out here that would strip the paint off a motorcycle in no time. My list of protective equipment for cold riding was a bit shorter than Mr Dimon's. I'm not into all the electric clothing. But, oddly enough, I only got cold when I stopped (for gas or something). * Sweat shirt and scarf under a leather jacket * Gauntlet (sp?) gloves * Thermal long johns under jeans and chaps * Leather Jack-Boots * Three-quarter helmet (with visor) and baclava Note: don't forget to take your baclava off before going into the gas station or convenience store to pay for your gas. They get real jumpy! C.B. Nolen Hawg333@XXXXXX American Iron Riders MC From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 23 09:08:29 1995 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:08:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Baclava" spelling In-Reply-To: <951022190246_130156379@emout04.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Oct 1995 Hawg333@XXXXXX wrote: > * Three-quarter helmet (with visor) and baclava > Note: don't forget to take your baclava off before going into the gas station > or convenience store to pay for your gas. They get real jumpy! Not to be picky, but "baclava" or "baklava" is a very tasty greek dessert. I think the proper spelling for the item of interest is balaclava but I might be wrong. As Colonel Potter said, "Both are useful items but hardly interchangeable." Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 23 09:37:29 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:36:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Rider, Dual Sport & Kick Starting! Kick starting unfortunately is more art than science. If my 63 Matchless 650 didn't fire by the third kick then it was flooded and would not start for at least an hour. Does your XT have a compression release? Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 23 13:37:46 1995 From: Vimarsh Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:37:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Racing tracks in the DC area and thanks I want to thank everybody who replied to my earlier mail about winterizing the bike... Everybody who posted replies said that there os no need to do so in the DC area ... I was wondering if any of you guys know of some racing places in or around the DC area. Any tips on fast takeoffs and mods would be welcome Let em know Thanks, Vimarsh Ninja 500 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 23 14:02:42 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:02:30 -0300 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: Racing tracks in the DC area and thanks >I want to thank everybody who replied to my earlier mail >about winterizing the bike... Everybody who posted replies >said that there os no need to do so in the DC area ... I just used my Widder vest and gloves for the first time this morning and I felt like a piece of toast when I got in. Nice stuff, although the wires are a bit fussy. When I get my 'Stich later this week I may try to figure out how to velcro the glove wiring harness into the sleeves. >I was wondering if any of you guys know of some racing places >in or around the DC area. Any tips on fast takeoffs >and mods would be welcome Summit Point WVA is about one to 1.5 hours away. Cycle Sport Herndon (?) offers three track days per year for street riders and there are also road-racing classes available but your bike must be prepped (safety wired, lights/mirrors taped or removed). I don't know what bike you ride but IMHO the most important mods are to the suspension, brakes, and tires (not necessarily in that order). Some bikes do a lot better with a jet kit if the factory carb setup is not so hot. If you're talking about drag racing I only know there is a strip in Crofton. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 23 14:20:40 1995 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:20:37 -0400 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Coyner Subject: Speed Racers Nabbed in Sperryville Happened to be passing through Sperryville, VA yesterday with wife and kid in tow (read "in car, not on bike") and drove by the Exxon station at the intersection of US 522 and US 211. There I saw a collection of sportbikes and a bunch of young guys hanging around, oh, and a deputy sheriff's car, too. One by one these guys were getting in the front seat of the deputy's car while he was writing them up. Did anyone on the list happen to see this also? (Or worse yet, was anyone on the list in this group?) Was just curious to find out what happened. There's at least one deputy who's met his quota this month. dale -------------------------------------------------------------- A bad day on the bike is better than a good day at the office. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 23 15:49:28 1995 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:57:26 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: VA DOT web page For your edification and amusement: Virginia Department of Transportation http://pratt.vtrc.virginia.edu/vdot.html didn't find one for Maryland, and I don't think DC *has* a transportation department, do they? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 23 15:49:32 1995 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:55:01 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: Racing tracks in the DC area >>I was wondering if any of you guys know of some racing places >>in or around the DC area. Any tips on fast takeoffs >>and mods would be welcome Summit Point, near Charlestown West Virginia, for road racing. Maryland International Raceway in Budd's Creek, Maryland, for drag racing, and Budd's Creek itself for motocross. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 23 15:49:35 1995 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:52:28 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Integrating Electric Clothing >I just used my Widder vest and gloves for the first time this >morning and I felt like a piece of toast when I got in. Nice >stuff, although the wires are a bit fussy. When I get my 'Stich >later this week I may try to figure out how to velcro the glove >wiring harness into the sleeves. Sounds good. Just as an "oh by the way" ... Gerbing Electric clothing will wire anything you send them -- an Aerostich suit, your favorite pair of winter gloves, whatever. Last time I talked with them, the price to wire a pair of your own gloves was about $50 (I like that idea 'cause I really want leather on my hands, not the cloth that regular electric gloves have). electrically heated clothing -- better living through technology. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 24 08:33:29 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Racing tracks in the DC area and thanks Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:33:00 edt Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I just used my Widder vest and gloves for the first time this >morning and I felt like a piece of toast when I got in. Nice >stuff, although the wires are a bit fussy. When I get my 'Stich >later this week I may try to figure out how to velcro the glove >wiring harness into the sleeves. A cheap answer to keeping the wiring harnes for the gloves in place is to use safety pins. I have mine pinned to the Aerostich where the vest connects, in the center of the back where the glove harness splits and at the end of each sleeve. I leave the wire in it year-around, that way it's always ready to use. Obviously you don't want to run the safety pin through the wires, but instead make a loop for the wire to run through by catching a piece of the suit on eachr side of the wire. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 24 09:40:57 1995 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:50:06 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: FW: Psychology of Motorcycles (good for a laugh) Well, well ... if I'll be judged by my ride, then there's a few details to consider: :-) >"...the motorcycle is a symbolic object that represents physical toughness, >virility, excitement, speed, danger and skill. Their conspicuous bodywork >and >mechanics resonate with their origianl military use, and speak of aggression >and virility. Looks like my symbology is weakened when I ride my fairing-less bike, without "Conspicuous bodywork". And, oh dear, the BMW does not have "mechanics [that] resonate". Aggression? Sure, I think I'll go take-out that Caddy that just cut me off. Virility? Yup, nothing like a numb butt to turn *me* on! > Along with leather jackets, riders wear grease-stained jeans >to >express their technical competence. Uh, oh. I wear a red synthetic Aerostich and clean clothes ... so what does that express? > The experience of riding a bike >encapsulates the outdoor, roving life of the wanderer with no ties. But I use my bike to commute, not wander, and I *do* wear a tie! > It also >symbolizes a form of man's mastery of the machine; a powerful monster >between >his legs which he must tame." What if I get a flat? > --Judy Wajcman, "Feminism Confronts Technology" Real people confront ignorant authors, Chris Norloff :-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 24 10:15:59 1995 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:16:05 -0500 From: khawkins@XXXXXX (khawkins) Subject: Re: Psychology of Motorcycles (good for a laugh) In-Reply-To: your message of Tue Oct 24 09:50:06 EDT 95 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii snip happens..... >"...the motorcycle is a symbolic object that represents physical toughness, >virility, excitement, speed, danger and skill. Their conspicuous bodywork >and >mechanics resonate with their origianl military use, and speak of aggression >and virility. > Along with leather jackets, riders wear grease-stained jeans >to express their technical competence. >The experience of riding a bike encapsulates the outdoor, roving life of the >wanderer with no ties. > It also symbolizes a form of man's mastery of the machine; a powerful >monster between his legs which he must tame." I resemble that remark! DHOOO!! > --Judy Wajcman, "Feminism Confronts Technology" Judy, you ignorant slut! Good stuff Chris! Kevin From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 24 13:53:56 1995 Subject: Re: Psychology of Motorcycles (good for a laugh) From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:53:44 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A >snip happens..... > snipped for your reading pleasure.. >> It also symbolizes a form of man's mastery of the machine; a powerful >>monster between his legs which he must tame." > >I resemble that remark! DHOOO!! > >Kevin Hmmm.. I um... resemble that remark too.. and well.. I'm a *girl*.. Caron CANDY8 - Wave to me! Please??? From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 24 14:31:24 1995 To: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Psychology of Motorcycles (good for a laugh) In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:53:44 -0400. <951024135343.15325@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:25:11 -0400 From: Phil Kester > It also symbolizes a form of man's mastery of the machine; a powerful >monster between his legs which he must tame." But then it's a *thrill* to have something so responsive underneath of you. Phil From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 24 15:29:46 1995 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:29:52 -0500 From: khawkins@XXXXXX (khawkins) Subject: Re: Psychology of Motorcycles (good for a laugh) In-Reply-To: your message of Tue Oct 24 13:53:44 -0400 95 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii >>>It also symbolizes a form of man's mastery of the machine; a powerful >>>monster between his legs which he must tame." >>I resemble that remark! DHOOO!! >> >>Kevin >Hmmm.. I um... resemble that remark too.. and well.. I'm a *girl*.. >Caron Makes it difficult (and cold) to wear a mini-skirt eh?...........riding a motorcycle. We will now return you to your regular programming schedule. HEY!! WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RIDING MOTORCYCLES!!!! Kevin From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 24 15:35:06 1995 Subject: Re: Psychology of Motorcycles (good for a laugh) From: crose@XXXXXX (Leslie Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:34:42 -0400 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A >>Hmmm.. I um... resemble that remark too.. and well.. I'm a *girl*.. >>Caron > >Makes it difficult (and cold) to wear a mini-skirt eh?...........riding a >motorcycle. Waitaminit! I ride a HONDA, not a *HARLEY*! >We will now return you to your regular programming schedule. HEY!! WE WERE >TALKING ABOUT RIDING MOTORCYCLES!!!! > >Kevin yeah! Caron > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 09:16:28 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:17:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) X-Sender: kim@XXXXXX Subject: The "baclava" debate Speaking of alternate spellings, has anyone noticed the preponderance of "helmuts" for sale with bikes in the Washington Post RV section? Last I heard, "Helmut" was the Chancellor of Germany. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 09:35:08 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 09:36:07 EDT From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The "baclava" debate Kim Bieler sayz: * Speaking of alternate spellings, has anyone noticed the preponderance of * "helmuts" for sale with bikes in the Washington Post RV section? Last I * heard, "Helmut" was the Chancellor of Germany. * Most BMW's come with helmuts. :) L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 10:47:54 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 10:18:56 EST From: "Daren Magness" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate I am not sure why some people out there feel obligated to act as English teachers and walking dictionaries on the internet. Just take everything with a grain of salt. If someone wants to preach about spelling and grammar, maybe they should've been a teacher. No one really cares that you care about some poor slobs spelling. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 12:01:30 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:01:05 -0500 From: khawkins@XXXXXX (khawkins) Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate In-Reply-To: your message of Wed Oct 25 10:18:56 EST 95 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii >>I am not sure why some people out there feel obligated to act as >>English teachers and walking dictionaries on the internet. Easy folks! Now bot o' ya go to ya roooms wit ought yo suppa! Keven From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 12:23:44 1995 From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" To: north carolina bikers , "'dc-cycles-request'" Subject: '84 honda sabre 1100 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 12:23:00 EDT Encoding: 7 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 just picked up a pristine sabre (28k miles) and a ton of spare parts (exhaust system, handlebars, wheels, rotors, radiator and radiator fan, etc) for a rediculously low price. does anyone in the group have any experience/words of wisdom to pass on? also, if you need some parts, let me know. john From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 12:36:27 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate In-Reply-To: <9509258146.AA814642804@mail.hq.faa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Daren Magness wrote: > I am not sure why some people out there feel obligated to act as > English teachers and walking dictionaries on the internet. > > Just take everything with a grain of salt. If someone wants to preach > about spelling and grammar, maybe they should've been a teacher. > > No one really cares that you care about some poor slobs spelling. I agree that petty comments on spelling are a waste of bandwidth and when used to imply inferiority are unwelcome, BUT the only reason I made the comment about the spelling was because I found it amusing that the original poster's misspelling turned out to be a Greek dessert. I too find myself wanting to say baklava instead of balaclava out of familiarity. There was no malice intended and I thought I had written my post in a light manner. I wasn't preaching or teaching but instead humoring, or at least attempting to. Aren't we just being a little over-sensitive here? Lighten up, it's more fun. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only take two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 14:05:20 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:22:44 EST From: "Daren Magness" To: bikers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" Subject: Re: '84 honda sabre 1100 Sounds a lot like my 1985 Honda 650 Nighthawk I bought in 1991 with 3100 miles on it. Paid $1500.00 and it still is in showroom condition. I love it! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: '84 honda sabre 1100 Author: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" at smtpgate Date: 10/25/95 12:23 just picked up a pristine sabre (28k miles) and a ton of spare parts (exhaust system, handlebars, wheels, rotors, radiator and radiator fan, etc) for a rediculously low price. does anyone in the group have any experience/words of wisdom to pass on? also, if you need some parts, let me know. john From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 15:15:07 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:10 -0400 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: '84 honda sabre 1100 In-Reply-To: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" "'84 honda sabre 1100" (Oct 25, 12:23pm) To: "'dc-cycles-request'" , north carolina bikers Organization: Hughes-On-The-Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > does anyone in the group have any > experience/words of wisdom to pass on? Do you have a copy of the V4 FAQ? Robyn Landers on rec.moto put it together some time ago. It is available on his home page. I might have an older copy around here someplace... -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 Hughes Applied Info Systems Landover, MD Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 18:24:08 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate In-reply-to: <9509258146.AA814642804@mail.hq.faa.gov> To: Daren Magness Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Daren Magness wrote: > Just take everything with a grain of salt. If someone wants to preach > about spelling and grammar, maybe they should've been a teacher. > > No one really cares that you care about some poor slobs spelling. > Actually you need to correct the sentence "If someone wants to preach about spelling and grammar, maybe they [sic] should've been a teacher." You begin with a singular (someone) and join it with a plural (they). This is a big no-no. And (not to nit pick), you err when you say "some poor slobs [sic] spelling." It should be "slob's" (possessive). heh, heh, heh.... Justin V. Laubach jlaubach@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 25 19:12:33 1995 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 19:13:40 EDT From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate Daren Magness sayz: * I am not sure why some people out there feel obligated to act as * English teachers and walking dictionaries on the internet. * "Internet" should probably be capitalized, as in "Internet Protocol." * Just take everything with a grain of salt. If someone wants to preach * about spelling and grammar, maybe they should've been a teacher. * "Someone" wants and "they" should've? "They" should be either "he," "she," or "he/she." Also "wants" and "should've been" are not in the same tense. * No one really cares that you care about some poor slobs spelling. * You mean slob's, the possesive? :) Pass the salt, please? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 26 09:34:12 1995 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:34:04 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: Daren_Magness_at_ISN-HQ@XXXXXX, jlaubach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is the sort of interchange that often preceeds major nuclear exchanges. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 26 09:35:56 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:20:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate >I am not sure why some people out there feel obligated to act as >English teachers and walking dictionaries on the internet. >Just take everything with a grain of salt. If someone wants to preach >about spelling and grammar, maybe they should've been a teacher. >No one really cares that you care about some poor slobs spelling. No one? I don't recall giving you permission to speak for me. Personally, I think the rise of the Internet has demonstrated just what a terrible job the American educational system is doing teaching English. Just because you don't care, don't assume everyone else feels the same way you do. Perhaps you might learn something useful from some of the other responses to you. BTW, I thought the initial post was amusing, not vindictive, meant and taken in a spirit of fun, not criticism. Lighten up. Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 26 10:04:51 1995 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:04:28 -0400 From: Dark Hacker To: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate No one? I don't recall giving you permission to speak for me. Personally, I think the rise of the Internet has demonstrated just what a terrible job the American educational system is doing teaching English. Just because you don't care, don't assume everyone else feels the same way you do. Well, the rise of the Internet just underscores in big neon letters how totally language-challenged this nation is. Talk to the review committe chair of any major scientific conference and he/she'll bemoan the disproportionate percentage of papers which are total crap because the author lacked the ability to express his/her ideas properly (well... many of the papers are total crap anyway :-). Launguage may have little use for kids who's primary concern in life is the next Smashing Pumpkins' album or the latest rev of Mortal Kombat, but it is excruciatingly critical to those of us in technical fields who must interact with our collegues. Forget even the need for research and technical people to communicate. It's just plain annoying listening to the guy on the news crucifying the language, and this is unforgivable because his job is communication: accurate, unambiguous use of language. You might argue "well maybe he isn't perfect, but I understood what he said anyway." Yeah, well maybe you didn't, and besides, poor use of the launguage grates like a Harley footpeg on asphalt. Partly the problem is the educational system. Little emphasis is given to ""how" to think clearly and then state your ideas in a clear and concise form. Both higher education and elementary/intermediate levels are to blame for not preparing students for the challenges they'll face in the real world. More of the blame can be dolled out to the motivation (or lack thereof) of the students. Eventually, the people's choice to ignore literacy and enlightenment will return to haunt them in the form of reduced market share for American made goods and services. We've already seen this happen with the rise of Japanese dominance in consumer electronics and other products. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 26 10:12:09 1995 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 10:17:15 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Makes the Perfect Gift Okay, biker dudes and dudettes ... twisto's and twistettes, here's the gift for the rider who has everything: Hot Motorcycle Sounds Kawasaki (tm) Ninja (tm) Vroom (tm) Glove turns any bicycle into a mean sounding two-wheeled machine. Tilt glove backward for realistic revving sound, forward for the sound of screeching tires. Includes one right-hand glove. Plastic and nylon. One size fits all. Operates on 3 "button cell" batteries (included). 5 yrs. and up. KX32793 Kawasaki (tm) Ninja (tm) Vroom (tm) Glove $11.95 The Great Kids Company, 1-900-533-2166 happy revving and screeching, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 26 10:12:13 1995 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 10:12:47 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Add-on oil cooler effectiveness? Greetings, all. As my old bike gets older, I wonder if I should use my new bike to commute (after all, that's where I do most of my riding!). Because it's an air-cooled engine, it's not great for commuting, but I have an oil cooler to install. Anybody have any experience with how well an oil cooler works at slow speeds or when sitting still? Will it help much under such poor conditions? What if I added a thermostatically-controlled fan to blow air through the oil cooler? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 26 10:26:10 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:25:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate Well put by Bob and Hacker. S From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 26 15:27:26 1995 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:27:23 -0400 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Coyner Subject: Re: Makes the Perfect Gift At 10:17 AM 10/26/95 EDT, you wrote: >Hot Motorcycle Sounds >Kawasaki (tm) Ninja (tm) Vroom (tm) Glove turns any bicycle... Chris, That reminds me...Sandy and I were at a toy shop over at Reston Town Center a couple of weeks ago and I saw something similar -- Harley gloves. Press them at one point and you get the startup sound, press them in another point and you get the take-off sound. Price was marked down to $8 from--get this--$28! Thought about buying them as a collectors item, but just couldn't bring myself to do it. dale -------------------------------------------------------------- A bad day on the bike is better than a good day at the office. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 26 18:47:02 1995 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:46:54 -0400 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Add-on oil cooler effectiveness? In-Reply-To: cnorloff@mail.os2bbs.com (Chris Norloff) "Add-on oil cooler effectiveness?" (Oct 26, 10:12am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Organization: Hughes-On-The-Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) writes... > Anybody have any experience with how well an oil cooler works at slow speeds > or when sitting still? Will it help much under such poor conditions? What > if I added a thermostatically-controlled fan to blow air through the oil > cooler? I have always wondered why no manufacturer has done this. It would really help in cooling the life blood of the motor: the oil. -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 Hughes Information Technology Company Landover, MD Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 27 07:12:40 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:12:34 -0300 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Brake line kits I'm looking for a local (DC area) source for custom stainless brake line kits, anyone know where they can be found? I am planning to shorten my existing front line (ideally with a bleeder banjo bolt at the master cylinder) and make a new line after running the hose through the swingarm on my Hawk. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 27 08:43:57 1995 From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Date: 26 Oct 95 20:32:00 -0400 Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Add-on oil cooler effectiveness? Original-Date: Thu Oct 26 20:32 EDT 1995 Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) writes... > Anybody have any experience with how well an oil cooler works at slow >speeds or when sitting still? Will it help much under such poor >conditions? What if I added a thermostatically-controlled fan to blow air >through the oil cooler? Actually, most oil coolers work just fine the way they were designed. They don't have fans because they don't need them. They dissipate a large amount of heat even without a steady airflow because the air temperature surrounding the cooling fins is still much lower than the temperature of the oil. Most people end up installing oil cooler thermostats or cooler covers because the bikes have trouble reaching proper operating temperature in cooler weather. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // khawkins@XXXXXX '95 900CR (Desmo) // '93 GTS1000 (RADD Boy) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 27 09:39:00 1995 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:49:19 EDT From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: Brake line kits I don't have their card here now, but I got my last lines (custom made) from International Cycle Sports in White Plains, MD, just south of Waldorf. They made copies of my rubber brake hoses; three lines cost about $80. Chris Norloff On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:12:34 -0300 you wrote: >I'm looking for a local (DC area) source for custom stainless >brake line kits, anyone know where they can be found? I am >planning to shorten my existing front line (ideally with a bleeder >banjo bolt at the master cylinder) and make a new line after running >the hose through the swingarm on my Hawk. > >David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT >mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 27 21:32:02 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate To: Daren_Magness_at_ISN-HQ@XXXXXX (Daren Magness) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9509258146.AA814642804@mail.hq.faa.gov> from "Daren Magness" at Oct 25, 95 10:18:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daren Magness > > I am not sure why some people out there feel obligated to act as > English teachers and walking dictionaries on the internet. Yeah, buddy. You go out there and try to ride with a piece of Baklava on your face and see how you like it :) > Just take everything with a grain of salt. If someone wants to preach > about spelling and grammar, maybe they should've been a teacher. I second this motion. Uptight people on two wheels is a bad idea. You have to be loose, go with the flow, chill out, and relax. And what are you all so hot about? Do I sense some harbored negative feelings against your high-school English teacher? > No one really cares that you care about some poor slobs spelling. Kosmas >From the land of Baklava to the land of crab cakes. Ain't it a great world? From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 27 21:46:04 1995 From: Hawg333@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:45:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Let them eat Baclava Hi All, I'm the original "baclava buffoon." As soon as I posted the note, I saw the silly error. Since the posting, I've been away on business. Geez.... was it a slow week, or what? 1. Yes, I think it's a funny mistake. 2. No, I'm not offended by teasing. 3. No, I'm not sorry that I wasted your time with my goof. 4. The American education system did not fail me, I have many degrees and make large sums of money - thanks for your concern. 5. Please C&D this and all other food related threads. By the way, I meant to say that you should wear a baclava on your face. The thermal qualities of Greek pastries are highly underrated. C.B. the Greek boy Nolen American Iron Riders MC (in Texas, where it's warm) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 27 22:36:37 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate To: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9510260931.21813.AC@occshost.nlm.nih.gov> from "Robert_Meyer@occshost.nlm.nih.gov" at Oct 26, 95 09:20:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX > >No one really cares that you care about some poor slobs spelling. > > No one? I don't recall giving you permission to speak for me. > Personally, I think the rise of the Internet has demonstrated just what > a terrible job the American educational system is doing teaching > English. Just because you don't care, don't assume everyone else feels > the same way you do. I'd hate to use this list to debate on the issue but what the heck. I would think that our goal is communication with everyone and through anything not the proper use of English or any particular language. The debate that proper use of language enhances communication is an old one and its advocates lost. No matter how "correct" is the use of language the communicated meaning may be lost partially or totally. So as long as we can "understand" why and what an other says, however he/she says it, or are willing to understand, we should be happy. You have to agree that it was the person that corrected grammar that started this tangent. Let us get back to moto-talk, which in real life is never too grammatically or syntactically correct, never mind politically. > Perhaps you might learn something useful from some of the other > responses to you. If you can prove to someone that they will make more money (more motorcycles) by learning gramar or syntax they will probably learn. I would not blame the system that does not teach English but the reasons people do not believe they need to learn. > BTW, I thought the initial post was amusing, not vindictive, meant and > taken in a spirit of fun, not criticism. Lighten up. Sarcasm and irony are cultural modes of communications that other cultures may not accept or understand. If some would keep it a little down and others would try to catch on it will be a great world. > Bob Kosmas From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 30 08:06:29 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 07:59:00 EST Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" deba I'm sorry, I don't understand this. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate I'd hate to use this list to debate on the issue but what the heck. I would think that our goal is communication with everyone and through anything not the proper use of English or any particular language. The debate that proper use of language enhances communication is an old one and its advocates lost. No matter how "correct" is the use of language the communicated meaning may be lost partially or totally. So as long as we can "understand" why and what an other says, however he/she says it, or are willing to understand, we should be happy. You have to agree that it was the person that corrected grammar that started this tangent. Let us get back to moto-talk, which in real life is never too grammatically or syntactically correct, never mind politically. > Perhaps you might learn something useful from some of the other > responses to you. If you can prove to someone that they will make more money (more motorcycles) by learning gramar or syntax they will probably learn. I would not blame the system that does not teach English but the reasons people do not believe they need to learn. > BTW, I thought the initial post was amusing, not vindictive, meant and > taken in a spirit of fun, not criticism. Lighten up. Sarcasm and irony are cultural modes of communications that other cultures may not accept or understand. If some would keep it a little down and others would try to catch on it will be a great world. > Bob Kosmas --------------- Start RFC822 Headers --------------- ds1.gl.umbc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA18365; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:36:32 -0400 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:36:31 -0400 Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava/balkan/bulla bulla" debate To: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9510260931.21813.AC@occshost.nlm.nih.gov> from "Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX" at Oct 26, 95 09:20:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------- End RFC822 Headers --------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 30 09:07:49 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: ZX-6 for sale... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:02:41 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I'm posting for a buddy here at Reynolds. He's selling a 1993 Kawasaki ZX-6. Black and teal paint. Excellent condition. Completely stock. 7k miles. 8 months left on extended warranty. Asking $5400. Call Chip at (804)-550-1239 (home) or (804)-788-7581 (work) if you are interested. The bike is located in the Richmond, VA area. later, uncle dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 30 09:43:38 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Weekend rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:38:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text So did anyone else have any good rides this past weekend? I got drenched Friday night but both Saturday and Sunday were excellent days for riding (at least here in Richmond). Sunday I did a circuit up into northern VA. Left richmond and headed up 33 to 522 to 208 to Spotsylvania CH. Into Fredricksburg, south on 17 to some small town called Return. From there a bunch of small roads to some cross roads called Frogs Level, or something like that and then back into Richmond. When I say that those roads were small, one of them had a sign that said "Road ends 1.8 miles" and then turned to dirt within 50 yards or so. Suddenly I found myself doing some flat tracking on my CBR. Luckily for me, I had the shop put those knobby Battle Axes on instead of the normal street slicks! 8) Being new to this part of the country, I ask "How long does the weather stay like this, i.e. cool but relatively clear?" Does it snow much in the Richmond and central VA area? If it does, maybe I should get my ice racing tires put on the CBR. later dudes and dudettes, uncle dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 30 11:01:25 1995 Date: Monday, 30 October 1995 10:54 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The great "baclava/balaklava In-Reply-To: The letter of Friday, 27 October 1995 21:39 ET First off, I can't believe the people of this area would complain about bad speeling or grammer from anyone! Ok, all of you wannabe hillbillies.... can you say BalTimore??? OK, how about Washington? Notice there isn't an 'R' in Washington and there is a 'T' in Baltimore!!!!! Now that we have that straight, FLAME OFF!!!!!! Cris, PMMail really sucks! I can't read your posts due to the fact that they run off of the page. Each line is truncated when you send. Carl B. 91 XLH 94 FLHTCU From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 30 11:49:58 1995 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:49:13 -0500 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Killing batteries X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII As a former Motorcycle and doorslammer mechanic maybe I can inlighten this debate with field testing results. after this subject came up a couple different times at a couple shops (wintertime in a bike shop can get reaaalll slooooowwww! ) the course of the discussions were very much like what I've read here. we put a 1 weak and 1 well charged battery on a cold concrete floor, 1 weak and 1 well charge battery on a warm concrete surface (not touching the outside ground) and the same in a cold room (30-40 degrees) on a wooden bench. the results were similar on the cold concrete floor and in the cold room the batteries on the warm isolated concrete surface showed NO significant drop in charge after 3 weeks. we decieded that the cold not the concrete was the problem. by the way both poorly charged batteries in the cold never came back the well charged ones did recharge fine K. Patrick Mahoney registered Honda PRO '84-'89 pmahoney@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 30 14:10:45 1995 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:11:27 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: re:Weekend rides ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Being new to this part of the country, I ask "How long does the weather stay like this, i.e. cool but relatively clear?" Does it snow much in the Richmond and central VA area? ===================================================================== Richmond seems to be noticeably milder than even our brethren up in DC. We get snow, but it usually doesn't stick around long. The back breaker here is ice storms. Richmond usually seems to hover around the freezing mark whenever inclement weather threatens. Of course, now that I've said this, we're going to have the winter from hell. By the way, look out for Richmond drivers. Having lived here all my life, I can say that a good snow storm brings out the worst in people. Richmond appears to have a diverse mix, and everyone has a different idea of how to drive in the snow. On a good note, you can pretty much ride all winter long. Any snow we do get melts fast, and the temp. never stays bitter too long. Of course, I tend to wimp out once it drops into the 30's. Ain't go no fairing. Frank fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... address is my company's" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 30 15:04:59 1995 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 30 Oct 95 15:01:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re:Weekend rides In-Reply-To: > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > > > ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- > > > > Being new to this part of the country, I ask "How long does the > weather stay like this, i.e. cool but relatively clear?" Does > it snow much in the Richmond and central VA area? > > > > ===================================================================== > > Richmond seems to be noticeably milder than even our brethren up > in DC. We get snow, but it usually doesn't stick around long. The back > breaker here is ice storms. Richmond usually seems to hover around the > freezing mark whenever inclement weather threatens. Of course, now that > I've said this, we're going to have the winter from hell. > > By the way, look out for Richmond drivers. Having lived here all > my life, I can say that a good snow storm brings out the worst in people. > Richmond appears to have a diverse mix, and everyone has a different idea > of how to drive in the snow. > > On a good note, you can pretty much ride all winter long. Any > snow we do get melts fast, and the temp. never stays bitter too long. Of > course, I tend to wimp out once it drops into the 30's. Ain't go no > fairing. > > Frank > > > > fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX > > Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering > "opinions are mine, ... address is my company's" > I have to agree with Frank. I lived in Va Beach for about 5 years (82-87) before moving up to Reston in Northern Va. I rode practically every day to work while I was down there with little or no problem. The winters are fairly mild with the exception of the occassional snow storm but the roads are usually drivable year round. One thing though, invest in a good riding suit that will keep you warm...the wind chill factor can still freeze ones doo dads quite quickly! I wore a pair of insulated boots with thick thermal socks, a pair of ski pants over my jeans and a very thick ski type jacket. I also used a pair of battery powered heated waterproof mittens and a riding mask that I bought to wear under my full face helmet (and not to mention the radio and mini earphones to listen to the radio!). Oh sure, I looked like a complete moron and sweated like a PIG during the summer, but if we ever had a freak summer snow storm...I was ready! ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 30 17:24:27 1995 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:31 EST Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:25:16 EST Resent-Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Resent-From: "Frank George" Subject: FYI: Weekend rides Comments : forwarded to group: ------------------------[ Original Message ]-------------------- To : Cc : From : SRFox@XXXXXX Date : Monday, October 30, 1995 at 3:27:15 pm EST In a message dated 95-10-30 14:34:30 EST, FEGoerge wrote: > By the way, look out for Richmond drivers. Having lived here all >my life, I can say that a good snow storm brings out the worst in people. > Richmond appears to have a diverse mix, and everyone has a different idea >of how to drive in the snow. I too am a native Virginian, and all my life I have heard about what terrible snow drivers we are here. I suffered this abuse quietly. Two winters ago I was cruising to work in the snow in my 4wd van when a guy in a monster cadillac decides to brake at the last possible second at a stop sign and of course slides through it locked up and t-bones my van big time. Imagine my delight when I found he told me he had just moved here after spending 45 winters in Minneapolis! Bad VA snow drivers: only because almost every here is from somewhere else. I did see a guy on a BMW GS/PD riding to work in deep snow last year...without a sidecar. Steve my ass! fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... address is my company's" From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 31 09:44:49 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Bike for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:39:41 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I was talking to another friend today who has a bike that he mentioned interest in selling. It's a 1990 Suzuki Katana 750 with 2400 miles on it. He says there is a little fairing damage on the right hand side but nothing serious. I haven't seen the bike. He only want $3000-3500 or so for it so it sounds like a pretty good deal. later, dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 31 09:53:44 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Weekend Ride: Pine Creek Gorge (longish) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:42:00 EST Encoding: 87 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Well, I finally went on my first group ride this past weekend and thought I would share it with you all. The Pine Creek George Ride was started and organized by some Denizens in the Philly area and is a ride from Philly to Pine Creek Gorge, near Wellsboro, PA (north central PA). I found out about it when the organizer posted an announcement for it on NJ-cycles, which is another list I subscribe to. The Pine Creek Gorge is called the Grand Canyon of PA and it's impressive but not quite grand. About a dozen people participated in the event but only 9 of us rode cycles due to weather and work schedules. It was a great trip and I did many things I've not done before. It was my longest trip, the first time I rode in a group, and the first time I rode in the rain. There were a variety of bikes there ranging from standards, sport bikes, sport tourer's, and even a dress Harley. I went to Philly on Thursday night to stay with the event organizer with a few other folks who lived outside the area. I traveled the furthest (from DC) except for a woman from Boston on a GS-500, now there's a ride. Friday morning we followed a nice route up to Hill Creek State Park. We left at around 8am, meet for breakfast and left. We stopped about every 40 miles or so for a stretch and gas. After lunch it started to rain and I found that my new foul weather gear worked well but my hands and feet needed special protection too. I wasn't really planning on rain but what can you do. Along the way my Fog City shield worked great, right until it came lose. I was cleaning it earlier in the morning and pressed to hard against it and broke the glued seal along the bottom edge. After a few hours of wind and rain it stopped sticking to the face shield. I still have it and am not sure how I can easily re-attach it, any ideas? We got to the cabins around 4pm and dried ourselves out. The cabins were real nice, modern and heated. It stopped raining and we headed into Wellsboro for a nice steak dinner. After dinner back to the cabins to hang out for a while. Saturday was a free day and I went with the group to see the gorge. We then went to lunch at a local diner. My head lamp blew out while going to the diner so after lunch I looked through the phone book and found a shop that could help me out. It was about 30 miles away and it was getting late in the afternoon. I was getting nervous that I would get stuck in the dark with out a light if they didn't have the right bulb. I was also concerned because it was looking like rain again and I wanted that headlight. I got to the shop pulled my bulb out and the guy had one for $8. Great, I'll take two. ( I have learned a spare headlight bulb on a vehicle with only one headlight makes sense) As soon as I start putting it in it starts to rain pretty hard. The guy says I can put my rain gear on in the service garage and I thank him. I'm now glad I keep a spare rain suit in my tank bag because my good foul weather coat was hanging in the cabin. It was nice in the morning. It rains off and on while riding back to the cabins and while I was traveling I saw a beautiful rainbow that was complete across and showed all 7 colors. Cool. I get back to camp where two people said, Oh I've got a spare bulb. I didn't mind going for it because it was something to do. I talk to the guys and inquire about the strange noise my bike is making and soon there is mechanics by committee. The 5 of us determine that I was a boob and let my chain get too lose. "Gee, but I just tightened before the trip." Maybe it's time for a new one. We tightened it up and tweaked a few other things and then headed for dinner. The organizer made chicken and lasagna for everybody so we heated it up, chowed down, and had some beers. (don't tell the state, alcohol is not allowed in their parks) Had some good conversation, hung out then called it a night. Sunday I separate from the group, who was headed east for some good back roads, to head south towards DC with another guy who hurt his wrist and didn't want to join the group for some twisty riding. We separate after a couple of hours and I finish the trip home. When I get home a friend of mine calls up to tell me he decided to sell his 1981 Yamaha XS1100 for $1500 and wants to give me the first crack at it. I've ridden the bike and like it but can't afford it so I'm going to co-own it with a friend. It's an old standard with factory fairing and luggage, kind of goldwingish. It's a great deal and now my buddy has a bike he can ride with his wife and I have a bike I can take on longer trips with the Blue Knights (the laughed at my little 450). We are working out the details and hope to have it on the road by Saturday. I hope to see you all down the road. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz (& 1/2 an XS-11) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 31 10:28:24 1995 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 10:29:04 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: Re: Snow Driving .. forwarded to dc-cycles ************************************************************************** FROM too long. Original FROM is '"Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" ' ---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- > he had just moved here after spending 45 winters in Minneapolis! Bad VA snow > drivers: One fine November found me in Albany, NY. Two inches of a very wet and sloppy snow fell. It was the same moist snow that falls in Virginia, not the dry powder of colder climates. There were accidents everywhere. Cars were in the ditch. Abandoned cars littered the road shoulders. The snow so incapacitated the city and the drivers were so incompetent that I thought I was home in D.C. Wet southern snow is more slippery than dry norther snow. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). *************************************************************** fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... address is my company's" From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 31 10:48:47 1995 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 31 Oct 95 10:46:03 -0500 To: dpcook@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike for sale In-Reply-To: <9510311439.AA21197@factotum.rmc.com> > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > Content-Type: text > > I was talking to another friend today who has a bike that > he mentioned interest in selling. It's a 1990 Suzuki Katana > 750 with 2400 miles on it. He says there is a little fairing > damage on the right hand side but nothing serious. I haven't > seen the bike. He only want $3000-3500 or so for it so it > sounds like a pretty good deal. > > later, > dan > > -- ..hmm alittle fairing damage...does that mean he layed it down and now has decided that bikes are his bag? I'm not up on the prices for sport bikes but $3k seems like a fair deal. One thing you *might* want to do is call your local insurance agent and get a quote on coverage for a larger cc sport bike. Sometimes the costs to insure those puppys can be pretty prohibitive... cheers, -aki > *********************************************************************** > Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 > Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 > Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX > 4th and Canal St. > Richmond, VA 23219 > *********************************************************************** > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 31 10:54:03 1995 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Subject: Re: Bike for sale To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:48:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) In-Reply-To: <199510311541.AA13044@egate.citicorp.com> from "aki.damme@citicorp.com" at Oct 31, 95 10:46:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > > > > I was talking to another friend today who has a bike that > > he mentioned interest in selling. It's a 1990 Suzuki Katana > > 750 with 2400 miles on it. He says there is a little fairing > > damage on the right hand side but nothing serious. I haven't > > seen the bike. He only want $3000-3500 or so for it so it > > sounds like a pretty good deal. > > > > later, > > dan > > > > -- > > ..hmm alittle fairing damage...does that mean he layed it down > and now has decided that bikes are his bag? I'm not up > on the prices for sport bikes but $3k seems like a fair deal. > > One thing you *might* want to do is call your local insurance > agent and get a quote on coverage for a larger cc sport bike. > Sometimes the costs to insure those puppys can be pretty > prohibitive... > > cheers, > -aki Oh, I'm not interested in it for myself. I was just letting people know that it was available. I think his younger brother dumped it in a parking lot or something. He bought it for his brother who never got around to getting his license or something like that, so he is now thinking sell it. dan From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 31 11:31:16 1995 From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" To: "'dc-cycles-request'" Subject: nj-cycles Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:30:00 EST Encoding: 3 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 does anyone on the net have the address to this group? tnx. john From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 31 16:02:41 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Reapplying Fog Shield (was Weekend Ride. . .) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:02:00 est Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Along the way my Fog City shield worked great, right until it came lose. I >was cleaning it earlier in the morning and pressed to hard against it and >broke the glued seal along the bottom edge. After a few hours of wind and >rain it stopped sticking to the face shield. I still have it and am not >sure how I can easily re-attach it, any ideas? I use clear packing tape when I put it on the first time. The tape reinforces the seal so that it doesn't break loose right away in the rain. You have to be careful about air bubbles, wrinkles and curves when applying it. A sharp scissors or X-acto knife is needed to shape the tape as it goes on. Another method that I tried was clear nail polish to seal the edges, I wasn't as pleased with that because it ruined the face shield so it couldn't be used alone or even with another Fog City Shield. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 31 20:01:39 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: Snow Driving To: FEGeorge@XXXXXX (Frank George) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:01:34 +1900 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Frank George" at Oct 31, 95 10:29:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank George said: > One fine November found me in Albany, NY. Two inches of a very wet > and sloppy snow fell. It was the same moist snow that falls in > Virginia, not the dry powder of colder climates. There were accidents > everywhere. Cars were in the ditch. Abandoned cars littered the > road shoulders. > > The snow so incapacitated the city and the drivers were so > incompetent that I thought I was home in D.C. > > Wet southern snow is more slippery than dry norther snow. Upstate NY has the highest amount of snowfall of the all the US except for Alaska. The capabilities communities have to clean snow and be on their way up there is tremendous. Albany is a poorly designed city that grew without the necessary arteries to swallow trafic. Despite of it being a small city, the tiniest road problem causes backups. The amount of snow they clean up in an hour up there is enough to paralize DelMarVa for a week. It is very rare they are unprepared, many ski or ride a snowmobile to work if they had to, and nothing ever closes (except for the snow hurricane of 93?) Now cars with normal street M/S tires are not that much better in expert hands on the snow than they are on the average driver. The streets are not made for cars going 40mph and decelerating at the rate of 0.05 G. It is true that a total idiot can have an accident in fewer miles than an expert Pro Rally driver, but in the long run when they both have the accident they look equally stupid. By the way the most and best off road rally drivers came and are still coming from Finland. Well it snows a lot there, but they also have a rally culture. It is their national sport, together with ice-track (ice flat-track) motorcycling. Rarely you might find a Swede or a Norvegian on an international rally. The French amd the Italians are pretty good on long distance motorcycle rallies, like Paris Dakar. What do they know about the dessert? Greece has the longest coastal line from all of Europe, and the wind is allways there for sailing. They only claim a handfull of olympic medals in sailing. And what about Southern Californian MXers? They proved to be pretty good in muddy conditions when they had to compete with the experts of mud in the middle of a thunderstorm. I love driving in the snow, but not to work. It is like if I had 3 times the horsepower, no brakes, and I was going 4 times the speed the car was capable of. I am lucky, I never had an accident. But I'd rather ride the bus or the metro in traffic than deal with idiots around me. Nevertheless I love making U-Turns in space less than the car's length in the snow, but don't tell anyone :) Kosmas