From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 07:26:24 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:26:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i remember this same violin solo playing when brian > mccoy > left the list. Brian is on another list I monitor. He's married and living in AZ. His wife has a Ninja 250, which Brian probably rides a lot more than she does. He's looking for a dual sport bike to replace the VFR. Mr. Finity: This isn't the normal way of the list. These mega-storms gather and rain on everyone's parade periodically. After a week or two, the bombast dies down and we get back to talking about bikes, bike nights, ride routes and other stuff. This storm will become famous in list legend like the Squeakers and Anker storms did. Hmm, it is interesting that TG gets involved in each of these storms. At any rate, the suggestion to make a rule and simply delete messages from selected listers would be prudent. Normally I enjoy Tom's comments, so he's not on my kill list. It doesn't take too long to delete any messages past 8 or 10 that have the same subject line. On a slow day, it also makes interesting reading trying to follow a conversation when only half of it shows up in one's mailbox. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 07:59:33 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:55:43 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Got it! ( bike content ) I got it, I got it!! First, thanks to all who supplied routes to Poughkeepsie, NY. They did help, although I'm not a competent direction taker/reader. I made the mistake of assuming r95n would only have traffic issues here in DC and Balt. Well I hit traffic at every city up to NYC. 5+ hour estimated trip took me 9 hours. The trip home was much better, via PA, to MD, ending in VA. about 750-800 miles total trip. This could been do to the new to me ST1300. The ST1300 is the bike for me these days. I'll miss the VTR, it is a very nice bike - new issue of Cycle World (subscription) gives the VTR a pretty nice review. In their short blurb area they call it a a "V-twin VFR", to me thats a HUGE compliment. But for me the ST replaces the VTR very nicely. Electric windshield, heated grips, bags, its a whole 'nother world of motorcycling. I figure in two years or so I'll look into adding a SV650, once I'm over the ST features. Tom de '03 ST1300 - woot! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:24:32 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:11:29 -0400 Brian moved back to AZ from Atlanta? His wife had a Seca II, we both sold ours about the same time. He was The Man on the Seca II list. He left that list when the moderator started voicing his own politcal views. I'm glad I was about to leave it after he left. >From: Leon Begeman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:26:18 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > i remember this same violin solo playing when brian > > mccoy > > left the list. _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:30:23 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 8:30:13 -0400 > > From: "Dave Yates" > Date: 2004/09/30 Thu PM 11:02:34 EDT > To: > Subject: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers > > > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an argument over > > different views seems > > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a Harley? > > I don't know... Why is it Harley Owner's Group, and not Harley User's > Group? > Or > World Harley Organization of Riding Enthusiasts? > > ;-) > LOL! I like the last one. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:31:55 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:31:47 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: Got it! ( bike content ) Cc: DC-CYCLES > I made the > mistake of assuming r95n would only have traffic issues here in DC and > Balt. Well I hit traffic at every city up to NYC... Had you continued on 95N, you would have been in traffic to Boston (and possibly Portland, ME). Michael I-HATE-95 J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:42:08 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Guggenheim redux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ah, but less than an hour from my in-laws in Jackson. 8;) Wonder if it'll be identical to the Vegas show. -- Larry --- Sean Jordan wrote: > HAHA, suckers! That's only a 3 hour ride for me! > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:18:33 -0400, Michael Jordan > wrote: > > From the LDRider list: "The Guggenheim's Art of the Motorcycle > > Exhibition is scheduled to open next April 22, 2005 at the Wonders > > Museum in Memphis, TN, and run through the end > > of October. " > > > > > > -- > Sean Jordan > Shoot to Thrill Photography > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:44:11 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys To: John Finity Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- John Finity wrote: >.... I won't fill my mailbox with this daily swill. That's what digest mode is for, John -- only one message a day. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:06:10 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:05:56 EDT Subject: Prodigals son To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just in case I was missed (fat chance.) I was off list for 11 days due to an emergency trip (everyone is fine.) It did entail an 11,000mi. ride MD to NC and back and another 13,000mi. round trip drive NC to FL but all of it was in get there quick and get back mode (with the exception of an 11mi. stretch of the BRP, (I just _had_ to.)) If anyone tried to contact me during that time, I am back, try again. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:14:33 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:14:03 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Prodigals son John, remind me *never* to allow you to plot any routes for group rides. :) - Roach PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > did entail an 11,000mi. ride MD to NC and back and another 13,000mi. round trip > drive NC to FL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:18:31 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Prodigals son Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:18:23 -0400 Glad you're back. Are you sure about the mileage quoted?? 11,000 miles MD to NC seems a little excessive, as well as 13,000 miles to FL. Maybe one too many zeros? LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Hollywood, FL AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Prodigals son Just in case I was missed (fat chance.) I was off list for 11 days due to an emergency trip (everyone is fine.) It did entail an 11,000mi. ride MD to NC and back and another 13,000mi. round trip drive NC to FL but all of it was in get there quick and get back mode (with the exception of an 11mi. stretch of the BRP, (I just _had_ to.)) If anyone tried to contact me during that time, I am back, try again. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:19:14 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Prodigals son Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 9:19:07 -0400 "Honey, I'm heading to the corner market!" ...several hours and several hundred miles later... "I got the milk and bread!" > From: Brian Roach > Date: 2004/10/01 Fri AM 09:14:03 EDT > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Prodigals son > > John, remind me *never* to allow you to plot any routes > for group rides. > > :) > > - Roach > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > did entail an 11,000mi. ride MD to NC and back and > > another 13,000mi. round trip drive NC to FL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:21:10 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:21:02 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at 55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when testing a bike's speed limit. Ouch. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:21:49 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:21:29 EDT Subject: Re: Prodigals son To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:14:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > John, remind me *never* to allow you to plot any routes for group rides. Hey! If you ever needed a group "but burn" to Cherokee, NC or the Dragon I would be your man... (Did I mention that I got a call at 2:00pm. and was on the road at 2:30 and in Ela (Cherokee) NC at 11:30?) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:30:13 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:30:00 EDT Subject: Re: Prodigals son To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:18:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, linda@XXXXXX writes: > 11,000 miles MD > to NC seems a little excessive, as well as 13,000 miles to FL. Well! I started my indignant reply pointing out that the figures were _round trip_ .... Then I saw that I had written 11 _thousand_ miles. Would you believe I went north to get south? It was very cold at the North Pole, but Santa was nice #:-/ How about jet lag? Damn. John (math wiz.) Walters PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:34:02 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:33:50 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) Im going riding hopefully a lot this weekend was wondering if you guys can suggest any routes, or roads to take? for your information i am somewhat of a noob only about 1,000 miles under my belt and ride a 1990 suzuki gs 500. I cant wait to get out there again! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:37:15 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) To: Eric Geary , DC Cycles Try the ride sheets here: http://www.dccycles.com/ --- Eric Geary wrote: > Im going riding hopefully a lot this weekend was > wondering if you guys > can suggest any routes, or roads to take? for your > information i am > somewhat of a noob only about 1,000 miles under my > belt and ride a > 1990 suzuki gs 500. I cant wait to get out there > again! > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:37:44 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:37:34 EDT Subject: Re: Prodigals son To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:19:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirkroy@XXXXXX writes: > "Honey, I'm heading to the corner market!" ...several hours and several > hundred miles later... Back in the early 80)B’s I went for totally unplanned ride one fine Saturday morning. I wound up 750mi. from home. Looked at a map about 600mi. into the trip, saw that a young lady I knew was going to college just up the road and decided to visit. Married her a year or so later. True story. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:43:25 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:43:15 -0400 From: Skip To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Aki Damme wrote: > > At 02:09 AM 9/30/2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Okay okay, I'm not getting this here. Let me see if I can > >figure this out. > > > >I made little notes for the gist of the messages. I tried > >to do a reply > >order and may have missed one or two. Indents imply > >replied to the message > >above and one character to the left. > > > > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an > argument over different views seems > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a > Harley? Just because I ride a Harley > doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to > argue a particular point fine, just > keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person holds. --skip for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:47:25 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:47:21 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda While dispatching a road-hogging SUV with extreme prejudice, I had opportunity to discover that my front end shakes at 100, and doesn't stop (or get much worse) by 110. I suspect that it's a tire. Robert wrote: > > One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress > placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any > errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at > 55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when > testing a bike's speed limit. > > Ouch. > > Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:47:37 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:47:30 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Hey, if anyone has a lead on a Renault 2CV or a Fiat 500, drop me a line off-list! Robert (No joke, the 2CV is a classic, especially the Charleston model) On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:43:15 -0400, Skip wrote: > > because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior > product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing > a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person > holds. > > --skip > > for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:49:28 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Mike vs listers To: Skip , DC Cycles Renault makes fantastic cars now. I am not kidding. Don't besmirch their name.. --- Skip wrote: > > > Aki Damme wrote: > > > > At 02:09 AM 9/30/2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Okay okay, I'm not getting this here. Let me see > if I can > > >figure this out. > > > > > >I made little notes for the gist of the messages. > I tried > > >to do a reply > > >order and may have missed one or two. Indents > imply > > >replied to the message > > >above and one character to the left. > > > > > > > > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does > an > > argument over different views seems > > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a > > Harley? Just because I ride a Harley > > doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone > wants to > > argue a particular point fine, just > > keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. > > because anyone who would intentionally and willfully > choose an inferior > product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. > It's like choosing > a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every > belief the person > holds. > > --skip > > > > for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:52:49 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Mike vs listers To: Robert , DC Cycles Do you mean the deux chevaux? --- Robert wrote: > Hey, if anyone has a lead on a Renault 2CV or a Fiat > 500, drop me a > line off-list! > > Robert > > > (No joke, the 2CV is a classic, especially the > Charleston model) > > > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:43:15 -0400, Skip > wrote: > > > > because anyone who would intentionally and > willfully choose an inferior > > product should have that fact brought up > repeatedly. It's like choosing > > a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every > belief the person > > holds. > > > > --skip > > > > for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm. > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:54:23 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:54:20 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Got it! ( bike content ) Michael Jordan wrote: > > > I made the > > mistake of assuming r95n would only have traffic issues here in DC and > > Balt. Well I hit traffic at every city up to NYC... > > Had you continued on 95N, you would have been in traffic to Boston > (and possibly Portland, ME). > > Michael I-HATE-95 J. I avoid 95 North of DC at nearly any cost... traffic, tolls, traffic, crap road, tolls, traffic, and tolls. fsck that! --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:55:19 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:55:09 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Honestly, you would need to botch the balancing job pretty badly or have a weight get thrown off to have balance issues. I static balance my tires at the shop, and have never had a shake issue with a front ... and that's at speeds from 0 - 160mph on my 250. I'd suspect tire wear/cupping or a general chassis geometry issue unless the wheel balancing is way off. - Roach Skip wrote: > While dispatching a road-hogging SUV with extreme prejudice, I had > opportunity to discover that my front end shakes at 100, and doesn't > stop (or get much worse) by 110. > > I suspect that it's a tire. > > > > Robert wrote: > >>One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress >>placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any >>errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at >>55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when >>testing a bike's speed limit. >> >>Ouch. >> >>Robert > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:56:24 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:42:08 -0400 You could check with John Walters (PenguinBiker@XXXXXX). I hear he has an 11,000 mile round trip route between MD and NC. Seriously, there are lots of roads west of DC that are good. Unfortunately, there will be lots of bikes and scenery gazers on the weekends. There will also be lots of cops... Perry >From: Eric Geary >Reply-To: Eric Geary >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:33:50 -0400 > >Im going riding hopefully a lot this weekend was wondering if you guys >can suggest any routes, or roads to take? for your information i am >somewhat of a noob only about 1,000 miles under my belt and ride a >1990 suzuki gs 500. I cant wait to get out there again! > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:56:40 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:56:34 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Skip Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep. Leaving work last week I was pacing a WRX down the toll-way towards DC, and glanced at the SRT-4 speedo to find I was at 105. Perfectly smooth, but a bit alarming... ;-) On-moto, I think the increased wind blast at 85++ speeds is the main clue I've exceeded my normal riding zone. Once I've gotten used to a regular riding pace, the wind/buffeting/road noise is my main indicator of relative speed, a kind of Zen cruise control. Conversely I have found myself going much slower than usual when facing a strong head-wind, the psychological effect of increased wind buffeting makes me roll off the throttle when I don't actually have to... Just my {inflation-adjusted small monetary unit of choice}, of course. Robert On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:47:21 -0400, Skip wrote: > While dispatching a road-hogging SUV with extreme prejudice, I had > opportunity to discover that my front end shakes at 100, and doesn't > stop (or get much worse) by 110. > > I suspect that it's a tire. > > > > > Robert wrote: > > > > One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress > > placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any > > errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at > > 55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when > > testing a bike's speed limit. > > > > Ouch. > > > > Robert > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:00:14 2004 Subject: Ride routes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:00:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: It would be very nice to know some alternate interesting twisty ride routes. Shepherdstown pike is a good one about an hour away just past Harper's Ferry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:01:07 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Mike vs listers Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:00:59 -0400 > > From: Skip > Date: 2004/10/01 Fri AM 09:43:15 EDT > To: Aki Damme > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Mike vs listers > > > > Aki Damme wrote: > > > > At 02:09 AM 9/30/2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Okay okay, I'm not getting this here. Let me see if I can > > >figure this out. > > > > > >I made little notes for the gist of the messages. I tried > > >to do a reply > > >order and may have missed one or two. Indents imply > > >replied to the message > > >above and one character to the left. > > > > > > > > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an > > argument over different views seems > > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a > > Harley? Just because I ride a Harley > > doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to > > argue a particular point fine, just > > keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. > > because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior > product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing > a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person > holds. > > --skip > Fiat-Davidson. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:04:47 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:04:40 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride routes If you're up in that area, one of the most insane roads is Summit Point Road between Charles Town and Summit Point (the racetrack), which can then be taken out to Rt 7 in VA. Up and down over hills, twisty, winding. The only thing you have to keep in mind is that it is NOT forgiving as there are ditches and telephone poles a-plenty along the side. - Roach Julian Halton wrote: > It would be very nice to know some alternate interesting twisty ride > routes. Shepherdstown pike is a good one about an hour away just past > Harper's Ferry > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:05:36 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Mike vs listers Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:05:29 -0400 Isn't a 2CV a Citroen? LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Hollywood, FL AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Robert [mailto:robert.verde@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Hey, if anyone has a lead on a Renault 2CV or a Fiat 500, drop me a line off-list! Robert (No joke, the 2CV is a classic, especially the Charleston model) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:06:55 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:06:35 -0400 cool headline... http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=10712 9/30/2004 MotoGP Top Speeds From Thursday's Qualifying Session In Qatar, And Only Three Are Faster Than The Infamous Minnesota RC51 Honda Streetbike Copyright 2004, Roadracing World Publishing, Inc. MotoGP Top Speeds From Thursday Qualifying: 1. Colin Edwards, Honda, 206.7 mph 2. Makoto Tamada, Honda, 206.0 mph 3. Neil Hodgson, Ducati, 205.7 mph 4. Sete Gibernau, Honda, 204.6 mph 5. Ruben Xaus, Ducati, 204.5 mph 6. Max Biaggi, Honda, 204.1 mph 7. Nicky Hayden, Honda, 203.7 mph 8. Alex Barros, Honda, 203.6 mph 9. Troy Bayliss, Ducati, 203.3 mph 10. Valentino Rossi, Yamaha, 203.1 mph 11. Carlos Checa, Yamaha, 202.8 mph 12. John Hopkins, Suzuki, 202.6 mph 13. Shinya Nakano, Kawasaki, 201.9 mph 14. Loris Capirossi, Ducati, 201.1 mph 15. Marco Melandri, Yamaha, 200.1 mph 16. Norick Abe, Yamaha, 199.5 mph 17. Yukio Kagayama, Suzuki, 198.8 mph 18. Nobuatsu Aoki, Proton, 195.5 mph 19. Jeremy McWilliams, Aprilia, 195.1 mph 20. James Haydon, Proton, 194.3 mph 21. Alex Hofmann, Kawasaki, 192.6 mph 22. Youichi Ui, Harris WCM, 191.6 mph 23. James Ellison, Harris WCM, 186.3 mph --------------------- Shigeru Honda 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 98 SuperHawk (4sale) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) 91 CR80 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: 205 mph honda > While dispatching a road-hogging SUV with extreme prejudice, I had > opportunity to discover that my front end shakes at 100, and doesn't > stop (or get much worse) by 110. > > I suspect that it's a tire. > > > > Robert wrote: > > > > One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress > > placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any > > errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at > > 55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when > > testing a bike's speed limit. > > > > Ouch. > > > > Robert > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:11:25 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:11:16 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: "LindaT." Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Cc: Dc-Cycles D'oh! You're absolutely right, Linda. I was thinking of Renault, but their R5 is nowhere near as cool as the 2CV. Let me add Citroen to the list! Robert (And, yes, I will take my small car rambling off-list.) On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:05:29 -0400, LindaT. wrote: > Isn't a 2CV a Citroen? > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Hollywood, FL > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:17:10 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:17:02 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride routes Hey Julian, If you're in that area, try taking Bakerton road to 28. Follow 28 North and then when it ends at 31, take a right then a left onto Cement Hill. Take a right after Meadow Lane in order to stay on Cement Hill and follow that up the river. It dumps you into Sheperdstown and eventualy turns into German Road. It's a nice back way out in and out of Sheperdstown. Another one to try near Harpers Ferry is Chestnut Hill Road. It's a nice cutover between 340 and 9. Watch out for resident cagers and gravel on corners, but it's an interesting road at points. Also, next time I have some of the FZ riders heading out to The Plains, I'll let you know. There are some roads out there you'd love. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:00:04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > It would be very nice to know some alternate interesting twisty ride > routes. Shepherdstown pike is a good one about an hour away just past > Harper's Ferry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:27:59 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:46:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mike vs listers On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Do you mean the deux chevaux? Wouldn't that be Citroen and not Renault? :-) The 2CV and 4CV. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:37:17 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 205 mph honda On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > Honestly, you would need to botch the balancing job pretty badly or have > a weight get thrown off to have balance issues. I static balance my > tires at the shop, and have never had a shake issue with a front ... and > that's at speeds from 0 - 160mph on my 250. > > I'd suspect tire wear/cupping or a general chassis geometry issue unless > the wheel balancing is way off. I have some vibes from a recent tire change, Brian. My bike was very smooth up into super-illegal speeds with BT010s, now I've got a little shake from 70-I'mnotgoingtosayonthelistwithallthewhiningaboutsomeonegoing205mph. Nothing dangerous, just noticeable. Oh yeah, new skins are BT014s. Are the BT014's carcass just that much stiffer and I'm feeling more road imperfections? I doubt that's the case, but I guess it's possible? JT Motorsports did the work for me, as well as the last 2 tire changes (damn these bikes eat tires) ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:26:54 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:26:39 EDT Subject: Re: 205 mph honda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:47:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > I suspect that it's a tire. Check tire pressure first, it is easy, cheap. (use the owners manual or sticker on the bike to determine proper pressure, _not_ the tire sidewall.) Check steering head bearings. Any odd loads? Trunk? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:27:52 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:27:43 EDT Subject: Re: 205 mph honda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Even a Mo-ped will do 300mph. (over a cliff...) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:30:38 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:30:25 EDT Subject: Re: Mike vs listers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:43:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > willfully choose an inferior > product How does one choose an inferior toy? The choice of a bike is _entirely_ subjective. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:35:22 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:34:29 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride routes On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > If you're up in that area, one of the most insane roads is Summit Point > Road between Charles Town and Summit Point (the racetrack), which can > then be taken out to Rt 7 in VA. Up and down over hills, twisty, > winding. The only thing you have to keep in mind is that it is NOT > forgiving as there are ditches and telephone poles a-plenty along the side. > > - Roach That area is my home turf. Summit Point road is decent, but there are more twisty roads a plenty up there. A lot of good roads run perpendicular to 9 between 7 and 340 are a load of fun. You can just head up and pick some and you'll do ok. The good stuff doesn't really start until you cross over 81 though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:35:37 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:35:26 EDT Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:56:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > I hear he has an > 11,000 mile round trip route between MD and NC. Via Fairbanks, Alaska #:-) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:44:07 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda > I have some vibes from a recent tire change, Brian. My bike was very > smooth up into super-illegal speeds with BT010s, now I've got a little > shake from > 70-I'mnotgoingtosayonthelistwithallthewhiningaboutsomeonegoing205mph. > Nothing dangerous, just noticeable. Oh yeah, new skins are BT014s. Are > the BT014's carcass just that much stiffer and I'm feeling more road > imperfections? I doubt that's the case, but I guess it's possible? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I just put a set of 014's on my YZF600. They are smooth as silk into the 140mph+ range. I balanced them myself though. I'd check the balance on yours. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:54:14 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:54:07 -0400 From: Skip To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:43:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX > writes: > > > willfully choose an inferior > > product > > How does one choose an inferior toy? > The choice of a bike is _entirely_ subjective. perhaps you missed the last line of my post... "for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:18:03 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:57:54 -0400 To: "Dave Yates" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers At 11:02 PM 9/30/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >> It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an argument over >> different views seems >> to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a Harley? > >I don't know... Why is it Harley Owner's Group, and not Harley User's >Group? Because HOG is more in keeping with Harley history than HUG? The old racing team mascot was a boar, not a bear. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:18:03 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:55:42 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 06:54 PM 9/30/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >i've recently been appointed list quality control manager. Let's see the badge. >how about why is anyone suddenly disappearing from your >rides? this situation is so rarely an issue that it is odd >that there would be a "rule" to cover it. Happens on most rides, usually on the return trip as people drop out to head home. Folks live all over, and we usually pass someone's neighborhood on the way back. I've been on rides that started out with 20 bikes, and when I dropped out there were anywhere from 1 to 4 left (I live near some of the road captains, so we are often headed to the same area, while others may live 10-20 miles away back up the road). >my implied point (re: out of staggered formation) was that >these problems resolve themselves quickly when there is any >varying terrain. one turn and voila! proper formation >returns. If you always go single file around a turn, yes. We usually only go single file when we hit a very narrow back road, have to pass someone on the shoulder (usually hikers or pedal bikers, sometimes stopped vehicles), or other situation where staggered would be hazardous. If you guys are always "dragin' a knee" on the corners, playing race track and seeing how fast you can take the turn, you'd certainly want single file. We don't ride like that so we wpend 80% or more of most rides in staggered formation. >> >why would there ever be a situation (save a stop) where >> a rider >> >to the rear has placed his front tire in front of the >> rear >> >tire of ANYONE in front of him/her? >> >> Following too close? > >against the rules Sorry, you didn't mention that... ;-) >> Planning to pass in the same lane? (had this done to me >> more than once, usually in groups other than >> HOG, where such things are against the rules as well as >> the local laws). > >what you said Yep, but it does happen anyway. >> Even without that overlap, someone changing tracks like >> that can reduce the >> following distance of the bike now behind him to unsafe >sounds like it. of course, not blindly charging to "fill a >hole" while riding a cageless vehicle might work equally as >well. Yep. That's the plan I use. Others have different ideas though, even in my limited experience. Telling them ahead of time not to do that seems to help...never had it happen on a New Member Ride for instance, where the rules are always clearly gone over at the start. Even though many of the riders have little or no group riding experience. Doesn't hurt the experienced riders to hear it again either. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:18:07 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:12:15 -0400 To: Skip , Aki Damme From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 09:43 AM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: >> It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an >> argument over different views seems >> to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a >> Harley? Just because I ride a Harley >> doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to >> argue a particular point fine, just >> keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. > >because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior >product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing >a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person >holds. Ok, Aki, I guess he's asking us to raz him about his poor choice of bike over and over.... Opinions vary. Your bike would suck as a choice for me. It's total crap from the way I'm built, the way I want to ride and the uses I have for a bike. Lousy design in every way. Uncomfortable, poor carrying capacity, irritating noise, and ugly. More seriously and to answer Aki, I'm "experienced" enough to realize that needs vary, so choice does too. I'm sure your bike is perfect...for you. It would be useless for me. I expect that most Harley owners are at least as "experienced", which is why you don't see a lot of anti-sport-bike comments from Harley owners, like you do the reverse. Just anti-squid comments, which aren't restricted to sportbikers doing wheelies through school zones, but apply to anyone being a dickhead on two wheels. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:27:30 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I wonder... I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the same person? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:31:50 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:31:39 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 09:43 AM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > >Aki Damme wrote: > > >> It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an > >> argument over different views seems > >> to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a > >> Harley? Just because I ride a Harley > >> doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to > >> argue a particular point fine, just > >> keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. > > > >because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior > >product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing > >a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person > >holds. > > Ok, Aki, I guess he's asking us to raz him about his poor choice of bike > over and over.... > > Opinions vary. Your bike would suck as a choice for me. It's total crap > from the way I'm built, the way I want to ride and the uses I have for a > bike. Lousy design in every way. Uncomfortable, poor carrying capacity, > irritating noise, and ugly. > > > > More seriously and to answer Aki, I'm "experienced" enough to realize that > needs vary, so choice does too. I'm sure your bike is perfect...for you. > It would be useless for me. I expect that most Harley owners are at least > as "experienced", which is why you don't see a lot of anti-sport-bike > comments from Harley owners, like you do the reverse. Just anti-squid > comments, which aren't restricted to sportbikers doing wheelies through > school zones, but apply to anyone being a dickhead on two wheels. It's a sabre. Of course it's ugly! :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:36:02 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:35:52 -0400 From: Skip To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I wonder... has anyone seen both of them in the same place at the same time? "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the same person? > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:54:01 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:53:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Because HOG is more in keeping with Harley history than >HUG? >The old racing team mascot was a boar, not a bear. [Dave] No $hit? I thought it was a BEER :-) I coudln't resist... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 14:06:22 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'viffermaniac@XXXXXX'" Subject: Need help with PA DMV Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:09:35 -0400 Long ago Paul Winced, "I'm on the horns of a dilemma (sounds painful)" Then Wilson Pleaded: "I'm highest bidder on a new-to-me KLR on eBay and it's in PA, and I'm hoping to ride it back to DC next weekend. I'm having a hard time finding provisions to buy a "trip permit." In VA, it's so easy. Just apply on-line. Unfortunately, this is available only to VA sellers or residents." [Carl]: I just got back from the MD MVA with hard plates for my new-to-me '96 ST1100. It's in Boston; I'm flying up Saturday to drive it back. Interestingly (Weirdly?), for out-of-State, drive-'em-back purchases, MD doesn't issue a paper temp tag, they issue you your permanent metal tags. Ah, but, TANSTAAFL! They put a hold on your title until you skip back in with your inspection papers. Strange or not, how kewl is that? [I've scheduled the inspection with "Rick Hart at the Potomac Village Amoco. 301 299-8400. quick and painless." "Tell 'em Tom sent you." ] Gracias Tom Other reliable inspection sources from my files are Wayne's: [MONTGOMERY VILLAGE AUTO CLINIC 19398 Montgomery Village Ave, Gaithersburg MD 20879 (301) 840-1148] Please accept my apology for the motorcycle content. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocinito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (STumped for a name) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 14:56:29 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I wonder... To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the > same person? do you really think i could adequately juggle the responsibilities of list asshole and list windbag while at the same time owning and operating a law firm and title company? i'm flattered.... but you're incorrect. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 15:11:11 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:11:05 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Hey, I changed the headlight in my sportbike today. Man what a pain in the > butt: > > http://www.schelin.org/stuff/headlight/index.html Ouch! That is a painful series of photos. The headlights in my VStrom are almost reachable from the saddle. If I had longer arms... Seriously, the 'Strom is the easiest vehicle to get to the headlight bulbs on that I have EVER owned. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 15:15:42 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:15:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Eric Geary Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Im going riding hopefully a lot this weekend was wondering if you guys > can suggest any routes, or roads to take? In addition to the ride sheets that another member already pointed to: Head west of Leesburg - almost no bad choices. Look for roads with three or four number designators (i.e. 601, 1934, etc.) The four digit roads may have some dirt stretches. In Virginia, these are county roads and tend to have a lot less traffic than the major routes. Look for roads without painted stripes down the middle. Not sure of Maryland conventions, but a lot of nice backroads there also. Enjoy, Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 16:08:17 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:26:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 205 mph honda On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, dan wrote: > I just put a set of 014's on my YZF600. They are smooth as silk into the > 140mph+ range. I balanced them myself though. I'd check the balance on > yours. > > Dan Thanks for the datapoint, Dan. I'll pull 'em off and check 'em. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 17:42:07 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:41:49 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys Cc: John Finity , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > That's what digest mode is for, John -- only one message a day. > -- Larry Yeah, but then you actually have to wade through the stuff, as opposed to being able to shoot it down from the subject line. I've found a source for inexpensive "Delete" keys, and am no longer afraid of wearing it out. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 18:31:00 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:30:46 EDT Subject: Non-moto - FS: Bowflex XTL $500 obo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One lightly used Bowflex XTL about 2 years old. :-) Retail $1999. Comes equipped with the Lat Pull Down attachment, Squat attachment and the Leg Extension/Curl attachment. Have also performed the recall work required by Bowflex. Has the 310 pound rod option as opposed to the 210 pound basic model. I have all the manuals and the workout video. Pick up or delivery within a reasonable distance. Located in downtown DC. Haven't used it in about a year and it's just taking up space. I can take pictures if anyone's interested. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 18:51:39 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:51:26 EDT Subject: Re: Non-moto - FS: Bowflex XTL $500 obo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oops....almost forgot. Phone numbers. :-) Home - 202-824-0778 Work - 202-274-2867. In a message dated 10/1/2004 6:31:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: One lightly used Bowflex XTL about 2 years old. :-) Retail $1999. Comes equipped with the Lat Pull Down attachment, Squat attachment and the Leg Extension/Curl attachment. Have also performed the recall work required by Bowflex. Has the 310 pound rod option as opposed to the 210 pound basic model. I have all the manuals and the workout video. Pick up or delivery within a reasonable distance. Located in downtown DC. Haven't used it in about a year and it's just taking up space. I can take pictures if anyone's interested. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 19:13:02 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: World Superbike Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:12:24 -0400 Did anyone catch the second race of the World Superbike championship last weekend? Soup has a great write up on their site: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Oct/041001wa.htm Apparently Chris Vermeulen pulled off quite a feat coming back from dead last to 6th place; it reminded me of Scott Russell at Daytona. My question for the racers is why did Giovanni Bussei get a stop and go penalty for picking Vermeulen up after he crashed? No good deed goes unpunished I guess, although if Honda wins the championship Bussei will probably not be very welcome at Ducati anymore :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 19:27:34 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:26:56 -0400 To: Skip , "Daniel H. Brown" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: I wonder... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think that would be really unwise...the resulting blast would probably eliminate any witnesses. -- Mike B. At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at the same time? > >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: >> >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the same person? >> >> -- >> Dan Brown >> brown@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 19:42:34 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:42:55 -0400 To: Michael Jordan , Eric Geary From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 03:15 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >for roads without painted stripes down the middle. Not sure of >Maryland conventions, but a lot of nice backroads there also. The smallest roads often don't have numbers, but names on the signs, though they may have numbers assigned too. The medium-sized roads usually go by their numbers (29, 80, 70, etc.) but often have names as well (confusing when using a GPS that tells you what road you are on using the other system from what's on the signs...). Just pick a road out of town, and when you get out a bit, hit some side roads. The ones in western MC are nice (out 355, River or 28 for a while, then head off somewhere...or just follow River until it quits and then pick randomly...once past a point south of Poolseville it gets suddenly a lot narrower and slower and slightly more challenging from potholes, sticks, leaves, and steep inclines for a couple of miles). If you aren't interested so much in the pig paths, just follow 28 out toward Point Of Rocks...mostly high speed curves and straights, with slower spots in towns. You can go over the bridge there to Virginia and head down 15 to Leesburg, then west like Michael suggested, or go north up toward Frederick, then west out toward Hagerstown if you like, or stay on it up toward Thurmont...nice mountain roads up in the Catoctin Mountain area. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 19:42:42 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:33:28 -0400 To: Michael Jordan , Carl Schelin From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 03:11 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >Seriously, the 'Strom is the easiest vehicle to get to the headlight >bulbs on that I have EVER owned. Easier than a H-D Heritage? Couple of screws and a trim ring and you have it. All out where you can get at it too. Same deal for the passing lamps. The turn signals are just a pair of screws each. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 20:05:01 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:04:43 -0400 From: Steven McCollom To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: World Superbike X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [70.18.235.182] at Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:04:55 -0500 bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > > why did Giovanni Bussei get a stop and go penalty for > picking Vermeulen up after he crashed? He was penalized for stopping on the racetrack. The privateer Honda's battle for the championship would have been even more exciting if Vermuelen hadn't been stripped of his points in one race (fourth place I think) because the Fireblade's tipover switch was found to be faulty in post-race inspection. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 20:46:56 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I wonder... To: Mike Bartman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX shall i take this as an ever-so-slight hint that you would kill me if you saw me? --- Mike Bartman wrote: > I think that would be really unwise...the resulting blast > would probably > eliminate any witnesses. > > -- Mike B. > > At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at the > same time? > > > >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > >> > >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the > same person? > >> > >> -- > >> Dan Brown > >> brown@XXXXXX _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 20:49:05 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:49:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/01/04 Cc: Re: X-Spam-Level: At 07:00 PM 10/1/2004, you wrote: > > Hey, I changed the headlight in my sportbike today. Man what a pain in the > > butt: > > > > http://www.schelin.org/stuff/headlight/index.html > >Ouch! That is a painful series of photos. Man you aren't kidding. I guess you are supposed to remove the crankshaft for more clearance to get at the bulb? Mine is one screw, drop reflector forward, 1/4 turn to release bulb, install new bulb, pop back into bucket, tighten screw. BMWs are easy. At least mine is. Of course, for the difference in bike price you could have flown the whole factory team out to your house and had them change the bulb for you... #:^( Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 20:55:20 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:13:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/01/04 On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Chris Chubb wrote: > > > http://www.schelin.org/stuff/headlight/index.html > > > >Ouch! That is a painful series of photos. > > BMWs are easy. At least mine is. Of course, for the difference in bike > price you could have flown the whole factory team out to your house and had > them change the bulb for you... #:^( Uhm, Hayabusas are easy (just remove a single panel), too. Carl didn't know how to do it, so he took the long way :-) Carl - post next time before you work on your bike. There are some 'Busa owners on the list (or check www.suzukihayabusa.org and use the search function). -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 21:43:25 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I wonder... To: DC Cycles WILL YOU BOTH SHUT THE FUCK UP? No one cares. Take your dick-fight somewhere else. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > shall i take this as an ever-so-slight hint that you > would > kill me if you saw me? > > > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > I think that would be really unwise...the > resulting blast > > would probably > > eliminate any witnesses. > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > > >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at > the > > same time? > > > > > >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > >> > > >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are > actually the > > same person? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Dan Brown > > >> brown@XXXXXX > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 00:05:14 2004 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:03:11 -0400 To: Tom Gimer From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: I wonder... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Of course not. It's just the usual problem of mixing complete opposites. Do a search on "anti-matter" for ideas on the possible outcomes. -- Mike B. At 05:46 PM 10/1/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >shall i take this as an ever-so-slight hint that you would >kill me if you saw me? > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> I think that would be really unwise...the resulting blast >> would probably >> eliminate any witnesses. >> >> -- Mike B. >> >> At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: >> >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at the >> same time? >> > >> >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: >> >> >> >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the >> same person? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dan Brown >> >> brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 07:16:11 2004 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:15:54 -0400 Subject: Re: World Superbike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: bernescut@XXXXXX From: Randy Moran On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 07:12 PM, bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > > My question for the racers is why did Giovanni Bussei get a stop and > go penalty for > picking Vermeulen up after he crashed? No good deed goes unpunished I > guess, although if Honda wins the championship Bussei will probably > not be > very welcome at Ducati anymore :) Usually, one is not supposed to stop for any reason on a "hot" racetrack, crowd pleasing cooldown lap antics notwithstanding. I remember the announcers discussing whether Bussei might be fined for the incident in question. Anyway, stopping in that situation is very dangerous, and there have more than a few career-ending injuries caused by crashes which resulted from collisions between stopped and circulating riders; Bubba Shobert's crash in the USGP in the early '90s comes to mind. I'm sure all racers appreciate the sportsmanship, but track marshalls and sanctioning bodies tend to frown on such things. RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 12:44:54 2004 From: "Shane" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 10/01/04 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:44:32 -0400 Hey all, Just in case anybody is interested I am selling a 1993 kawasaki ex 500. it runs great, 9000 miles, and has good tires. It has very minor rash on one side from a 5-10 mph dump over. Let me know if you may be interested. It's a great bike, it was my girlfriends but she would rather have a cruiser style to learn on. $1500 obo Reply to Shanesr74@XXXXXX I am also toying with selling my 93 rx-7 twin turbo if anybody feels like going fast while staying dry and warm! Price undecided as yet. Thanks Shane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 13:07:02 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:06:48 EDT Subject: Bowflex has been sold (tentatively) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mr. Roach has spoken up and decided he needs a new clothes hanger so, so far, it is gone. Thanks for all the responses. All 2 of them. ;-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 13:26:18 2004 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I wonder... To: DC Cycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > WILL YOU BOTH SHUT THE FUCK UP? > > No one cares. Take your dick-fight somewhere else. shit. the dick-fight has been postponed due to lack of fan support. check www.bruisedgenetalia.com for an update on scheduling. > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > shall i take this as an ever-so-slight hint that you > > would > > kill me if you saw me? > > > > > > > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > > I think that would be really unwise...the > > resulting blast > > > would probably > > > eliminate any witnesses. > > > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > > > >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at > > the > > > same time? > > > > > > > >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are > > actually the > > > same person? > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Dan Brown > > > >> brown@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 14:35:09 2004 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:34:56 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I wonder... Cc: DC Cycles > the dick-fight has been postponed due to lack of fan > support. check www.bruisedgenetalia.com for an update on And to think that I actually bit and clicked on the link... Michael (I should know better by now) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 16:47:31 2004 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:47:26 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles , VStrom List , LDRider Subject: Fwd: Cool roller coaster! Text is in German, but the pictures work. Now I have another reason to go back to Europe ---Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 13:44 To: mjordan812@XXXXXX; Thomas Jordan Subject: Cool roller coaster! http://www.coastersandmore.de/rides/bb/bbmain.shtml -s- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 15:40:49 2004 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: ST1100 for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is a friends bike. Check out the link for details http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8azgz/ST1100.htm ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:05:08 2004 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:04:50 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ST1100 for sale Hugh Caldwell wrote: > This is a friends bike. Check out the link for details > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8azgz/ST1100.htm I sure hope he's not gonna miss that bike too much when it's gone. It's been pretty good to him over the years. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:20:28 2004 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:20:25 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( so here is a short summary, i was riding had to do a U-turn in one of those parts of the road that people only really use for u-turning. anyways i came to a stop and went to put my foot down and it was a down hill so went further then i expected then i hit some gravel and my foot slipped and down i went. i couldnt stop the bike from hitting but it was let down REALLY soft so with my adrenaline i ripped it back up it wasnt even on the ground long enough to cut off, i look over the bike not a scratch thank you god! i go to continue on my way, and i put it in first and it doesnt move just reves i start to roll it forward and it locks the front tire up , i look down and the chain in the back is off so i do it like a bicycle cause thats all i know and put a few links on the sprocket and to my suprise rolls right on. well then i see its loose as hell! so i ride it home and next day i tighten it up with my g/f's father who used to ride dirtbikes, he says the sprocket is worn (new one came with bike) so we have it tight (properly) and we spin the tire, and about 3/4ths the way around it stops sudden, i look down and the links arent seating... one person said its probably frozen links , i havent lubed the chain in the aprox. 1,000 miles ive ridden the bike and washed it 2x. so i am definetly doing the sprocket change should i get a new chain? what about the front sprocket? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:24:55 2004 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:24:52 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) wow sounds awesome guys i got a lot to learn though im such a noob i do motorcycles injustice by not leaning enough yet... i actually live in Frostburg MD but keep my bike at home in Va since i dont have a garage with my apt up here:P id love to go riding with any1 that wouldnt mind a noob hainging around From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:29:15 2004 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:28:43 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Eric Geary CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Eric Geary wrote: > we spin the tire, and about 3/4ths > the way around it stops sudden, i look down and the links arent > seating... one person said its probably frozen links , i havent lubed > the chain in the aprox. 1,000 miles ive ridden the bike and washed it > 2x. so i am definetly doing the sprocket change should i get a new > chain? what about the front sprocket? The reason your chain was so loose is because it stretched. If it stretched enough to come off ... I'd think about getting a new one. As for the front sprocket ... inspect it for wear. If the teeth are worn, replace everything at once (and front sprockets are pretty cheap). - Roach http://www.speedwerks.com - The one stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:34:28 2004 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:34:23 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( well i think it came off because when it went down the metal "frame" looking piece i think pushed in on the sprocket which must of poppes the chain off... could i have stretched it when i tried to move it and it was wedged between the metal and the sprocket? where is a good place to get chains how much they cost and is it dangerous to ride lets say another 500 miles on it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 23:42:33 2004 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:42:18 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Eric Geary CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Eric Geary wrote: > well i think it came off because when it went down the metal "frame" > looking piece i think pushed in on the sprocket which must of poppes > the chain off... could i have stretched it when i tried to move it and > it was wedged between the metal and the sprocket? If you can stretch a chain with a chain guard or your bare hands ... you might want to sign up for that 'World's Strongest Man' thing I've seen on TV :) Seriously though ... if the chain wasn't loose to begin with (from stretching), it wouldn't have been able to pop off without the use of large, heavy tools (as in bolt cutters or a carbon cutting wheel). You could flip the bike end over end at 100mph and it wouldn't come off. > where is a good place to get chains how much they cost and is it > dangerous to ride lets say another 500 miles on it? As long as your rear sprocket isn't missing teeth altogether, you'll be fine now that you've adjusted the tension by moving the rear wheel back. You should, however, replace it in the near future, especially if the rear sprocket is worn (the teeth will break off at some point). You didn't say what kind of bike or what size of chain, but for the most part a good O-ring chain is around $100, the rear sprocket will be around $50, and the front around $30. - Roach http://www.speedwerks.com - The one stop shop for all your motorcycling needs. -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 00:09:09 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:09:06 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( I have a 1990 suzuki gs-500, i believe it will require an O-ring chain gah im broke too:( i hope it makes it till winter.. would a 185 mile group ride be unwise? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:37:09 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: DC Cycles I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to leave DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to a town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there for two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long ride. Looking for a town to stay in that is about 3 hours from DC, mostly super slab. It will be night when I leave so I am not looking for the twisties right away. Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a nice motel or reasonable bed and breakfast to spend two nights at? Thanks Mark PS: My thought for Virginia was New Market. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:49:06 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:45:06 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Premium Fuel discounts Long ago, when I bought premium fuel, there used to be a discount day ( "Super Tuesday" comes to mind ). The ST requires premium, do stations still do "discount days"? Thanks, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:50:18 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles try lexington or staunton in va. new market is only 2 hours away and not as good a start point as points further south/west. there are some very cool b&bs along the i81 corridor in this area (harrisonburg too). --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to leave > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to a > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there for > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long ride. > > Looking for a town to stay in that is about 3 hours > from DC, mostly super slab. It will be night when I > leave so I am not looking for the twisties right away. > > > Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a nice > motel or reasonable bed and breakfast to spend two > nights at? > > Thanks > > Mark > > PS: My thought for Virginia was New Market. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:51:39 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:51:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles oh, here's a search tool i've used for this purpose in the past: http://www.bnbfinder.com/ --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to leave > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to a > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there for > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long ride. > > Looking for a town to stay in that is about 3 hours > from DC, mostly super slab. It will be night when I > leave so I am not looking for the twisties right away. > > > Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a nice > motel or reasonable bed and breakfast to spend two > nights at? > > Thanks > > Mark > > PS: My thought for Virginia was New Market. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:51:57 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:51:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. Cc: DC Cycles To: Mark Kitchell From: Randy Moran Seneca Rocks, WV is a nice location, scenic and fairly central to some kickass riding roads. It might be a little farther away than you want to go, but worth it it if you can take the extra 45 minutes. RPM On Monday, October 4, 2004, at 08:36 AM, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to leave > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to a > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there for > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long ride. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 09:36:19 2004 Subject: Maryland Moto Invasion Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:36:05 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I took a ride up to the Fell's Point festival yesterday. I think I saw the most bikes I have ever seen in one place. The Harley crowd vastly outnumbered the others...I ended up parking beside two Harley dudes and following them around for a few hours. Thanks to Pat and Steve for the hospitality. Pat does custom work and repair work on both bikes and cars so I got an education. Was witness to a few burnouts and the loudest pipes I have ever heard (thunderhawk?). Colors were in full display and had no idea the Angels were prevalent in MD. Good time, great ride! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 09:58:35 2004 Subject: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:58:29 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Hey all... it was the start of "garage cleaning month" for me this weekend and I have some stuff to get rid of. Right now, I need to find a home for some sawhorses/workbenches. I've got a Stanley workbench and two Black and Decker folding sawhorses. The Stanley is actually pretty nifty for a sawhorse, or pretty cheesy for a workbench, depending on your point of view. The B&D's are just functional. You can check out the Stanley here: http://smallurl.com/?i=19568 The B&D is here: http://smallurl.com/?i=19566 Price: FREE!!! FREE!!! FREE!!! I'm in Springfield and will be happy to meet anyone who wants them. All are in decent shape and work just fine. I've just got too much crap in the garage. First one to shoot an email to me offlist gets them. --smthng 'Fobbing off his excess crap and hoping someone will take mercy upon him before the wife makes him take ANOTHER trip to the dump. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:05:58 2004 Subject: RE: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:05:48 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Ack... Those links are all screwed up. Sorry about that. If you REALLY want to see them, ignore the hosed up links and just go to Home Depot. You can find both of them under Shop - Hand Tools - Sawhorses. The "Folding Workbench" and "Folding Sawhorse" are the two I'm talking about. --smthng 'Does actually work with computers in spite of not being able to get a link working. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:58 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs > > Hey all... it was the start of "garage cleaning month" for > me this weekend and I have some stuff to get rid of. Right > now, I need to find a home for some sawhorses/workbenches. > I've got a Stanley workbench and two Black and Decker folding > sawhorses. The Stanley is actually pretty nifty for a > sawhorse, or pretty cheesy for a workbench, depending on your > point of view. The B&D's are just functional. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:08:44 2004 Subject: RE: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs (gone) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:08:41 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" D@mn, ya'll jump on free stuff, don't ya?!? :) I've already got a handful of emails... Consider them gone. --smthng > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:58 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs > > Hey all... it was the start of "garage cleaning month" for > me this weekend and I have some stuff to get rid of. Right > now, I need to find a home for some sawhorses/workbenches. > I've got a Stanley workbench and two Black and Decker folding > sawhorses. The Stanley is actually pretty nifty for a > sawhorse, or pretty cheesy for a workbench, depending on your > point of view. The B&D's are just functional. > > You can check out the Stanley here: > http://smallurl.com/?i=19568 > _id=2&prod > uct_line_id=51&Sub_Sub_Super_id=9&this=515> > > The B&D is here: http://smallurl.com/?i=19566 > p?BV_Sessi > onID=@@@@0575466464.1096897837@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadcmjllddje > cgelceffdf > gidgki.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=Products_2/Hand%20Tools&MID= > 9876&pos=n > 22> > > Price: FREE!!! FREE!!! FREE!!! I'm in Springfield and > will be happy to meet anyone who wants them. All are in > decent shape and work just fine. I've just got too much crap > in the garage. First one to shoot an email to me offlist gets them. > > --smthng > > 'Fobbing off his excess crap and hoping someone will take > mercy upon him before the wife makes him take ANOTHER trip to > the dump. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:22:18 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ROTFLMFAO --- Tom Gimer wrote: but insisting that folks should endure a pre-ride ceremony of common-sense-reduced-to-writing just to join a 50-bike 50-mile rolling tampon ride up the interstate is overkill; __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:46:05 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:45:59 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Custer,Carl" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Need help with PA DMV Cc: "'viffermaniac@XXXXXX'" Operation KLR Removal accomplished. My wife and I drove up to Ridgway, Pa., conducted the transaction, then we caravaned back. On Saturday, through some of the heavy rain. Yesterday was beautiful for sampling some of the finest roads in the Keystone Kommonwealth. -=P -----Original Message----- From: "Custer, Carl" Long ago Paul Winced, "I'm on the horns of a dilemma (sounds painful)" Then Wilson Pleaded: "I'm highest bidder on a new-to-me KLR on eBay and it's in PA, and I'm hoping to ride it back to DC next weekend. I'm having a hard time finding provisions to buy a "trip permit." In VA, it's so easy. Just apply on-line. Unfortunately, this is available only to VA sellers or residents." [Carl]: I just got back from the MD MVA with hard plates for my new-to-me '96 ST1100. It's in Boston; I'm flying up Saturday to drive it back. Interestingly (Weirdly?), for out-of-State, drive-'em-back purchases, MD doesn't issue a paper temp tag, they issue you your permanent metal tags. ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:47:45 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:47:37 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Eric Geary CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Eric Geary wrote: > I have a 1990 suzuki gs-500, i believe it will require an O-ring chain > gah im broke too:( i hope it makes it till winter.. would a 185 mile > group ride be unwise? If the chain has links binding as you described, at the very least I would suggest getting some degreaser and a stiff brush from the local auto supply store and trying to free it up by giving it a thorough scrubbing. Otherwise ... personally, I wouldn't ride on it, but I'm pretty safety conscious - your threshold might be higher. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:54:21 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:54:08 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( hmm ok i can definetly replace the rear and the front doesnt seem like it will cost much and i can drop it a tooth while im at it anyways, but the chain, if i can get it loose should i be ok? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:00:59 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:00:48 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Need help with PA DMV Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So? How was the ride? How's the new bike? Ready to join the ranks of the DC Super-Moto Hoolligan crowd? ;-) Robert PS: Glad it was a smooth trip! On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:45:59 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Paul Wilson wrote: > Operation KLR Removal accomplished. My wife and I drove up to Ridgway, Pa., conducted the transaction, then we caravaned back. On Saturday, through some of the heavy rain. Yesterday was beautiful for sampling some of the finest roads in the Keystone Kommonwealth. > > -=P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:09:48 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( To: Eric Geary , dc-cycles@XXXXXX dude, nobody here is going to say "you'll be fine, go ahead and ride" with your final drive in the condition you have described. --- Eric Geary wrote: > hmm ok i can definetly replace the rear and the front > doesnt seem like > it will cost much and i can drop it a tooth while im at > it anyways, > but the chain, if i can get it loose should i be ok? > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:24:03 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Need help with PA DMV Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:27:17 -0400 Wilson Posted: Operation KLR Removal accomplished. My wife and I drove up to Ridgway, Pa., conducted the transaction, then we caravaned back. On Saturday, through some of the heavy rain. Yesterday was beautiful for sampling some of the finest roads in the Keystone Kommonwealth. -=P Congratulations. I have a new-to-me bike also: I bought a '96 ST1100 in Boston from a fellow Maggot, Steve. Flew Independence Air (Whatta bah-gan) Steve picked me up at Logan and drove me to his place. He went through the details and we readied the bike for the road (That is, the bike was ready -- we put my crap in and on it.)] My biggest concern was mounting the magnetic Givi tank bag (For the uninitiated, the ST's "tank" is plastic). Fortunately the Givians (Givites?) had affixed a pair of slide-release buckles on the bag's side flaps (One male and one female - you know those Italians). A visit to the local REI garnered a 8 foot length of red nylon strap with another a pair of matching slide release buckles. Steve ran the strap under the top engine mounts, over the tank, and out under the other engine mount. Snapped and cinched, the bag was unmovable.] We loaded the Givi top box with manuals, a spare air filter, bearings, and such. We bungeed on the stock saddle and I snapped on the G.P.S., hooked up the Autocom then Steve showed me the nuances of replacing the side panels, bags, and such.] Finally, Steve gave me instructions on how to get out of town, his girl friend got teary-eyed, and I got geared up and on my way about 1:30+. There's not much to say about Boston to DC. It's not very far (~450 miles) but it's populated with Connecticut and Pennsylvania drivers 8^(. Plus, Noo Yawk is smack in the middle. Two items: [1] ST nominal. Now I fully understand. I had driven another's ST but it was group-riding so I didn't really open it up. Alone on the Mass Turnpike (& later) I would occasionally glimpse at the G.P.S. and note it was registering 80-85 MPH (The bike's speedo is 5+ MPH optimistic). In some ways, the ST isn't that much better than a well-tuned baby Sabre with a good shield. But the ST's engine at 4000 RPM is hauling the bike at a speed that the Baby Sabre needs 5500 RPM to attain. Plus, a twist of the fun-lever allows you to pass Left-Lane-Hogs with extreme prejudice while to do the same with a Baby Sabre takes some tranny stirring. Anyway, my average rolling speed was 66.7 MPH including Boston traffic, and my Big Apple adventure (below). [2] Lane SpliTTing: My map, G.P.S. and the Empire State's road signs didn't quite jibe so I missed the route across the Tappan Zee bridge and ended up heading down I-87 into La Manzana Grande. Arriving at the creeping traffic before the George Washington Bridge, a Dual Sport Cyclist passed me and began lane splitting. I counted to about 12 and decided "Why the hell not?" Either Gotham drivers are sympathetic to motorcyclists or the ST's big-assed head light was sufficiently intimidating that no one attempted to crowd me. I was soon on the tail of the dual sport. You gotta appreciate a bike that big that will nimbly dodge pot holes and squeeze twixt cages while climbing the bridge's approach ramp. Color me happy. [3 bonus] %$#@ Corbin: She-who-must-not-be-named once wrote about her first Corbin, "I can't believe something that hard could feel so good." Steve also praised the Corbin. But, midway down the Jersey Turnpike, I was cussing it. Maybe it's just that I'm a candy-assed liberal but sunnuvabitch that sucker was right painful (& I was taking pee-breaks ~every 90 minutes). I tried the stock saddle yesterday and think it may be better suited to my chubby butt. Time and miles will tell. Carl in Bethesda '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (STill STumped for a name) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:27:22 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to waste money and cause potential fuel system problems? Glenn --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Long ago, when I bought premium fuel, there used to > be a discount day ( > "Super Tuesday" comes to mind ). The ST requires > premium, do stations > still do "discount days"? > > Thanks, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:27:44 2004 Subject: RE: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:27:41 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: As an extra bit of info, most people would consider it to be a really bad idea to replace sprockets without replacing the chain at the same time. Any "oddities" in your chain will almost instantly start changing your sprockets for the worse. It's kind of like having a nut and bolt with bad threads. You don't put a bad nut on a good bolt hoping the bolt will fix the nut... It's far more likely to just screw up the nut even more than it already is and wreck the bolt in the process. Same concept. Do yourself a favor and save up to do both sprockets AND the chain at the same time. Then, REGULARLY check the tension and lube the chain. If you can't afford to do the whole ball of wax right now, just clean and lube that chain as much as you can. If you do end up riding on it, be REALLY careful with it and go real light on the throttle. If you know someone who rides regularly, have them check it and give you an opinion. Without actually seeing how bad it is, any advice as to it's behavior is going to just be guesswork, and most people will error on the side of caution... Meaning they'll tell you to forget about riding it because a broken chain or sprocket is a REALLY bad thing at any kind of speed. Also, don't think that overtightening a chain will make up for it being too slack previously... I've found that it's much worse to have a chain too tight (regardless of it's original condition). Don't feel bad, I had to learn this lesson the hard way as well before it finally sunk in. :( Don't take this as me coming down on you... It's quite likely that more people have done this than are willing to admit it. We all gotta learn somehow. --smthng 'Waiting on delivery of his shaft drive so he can forget about this whole tensioning and lubing thing. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Geary [mailto:eric.geary@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my > first drop =( > > hmm ok i can definetly replace the rear and the front doesnt > seem like it will cost much and i can drop it a tooth while > im at it anyways, but the chain, if i can get it loose > should i be ok? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:37:54 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:33:59 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Glenn Dysart wrote: >Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to >waste money and cause potential fuel system problems? > >Glenn > > > > It's a requirement. Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:48:30 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX That sucks then. The VFR only calls for 86 octane which is nice. Anyhow, to answer your question I have not seen the sales in some time. Glenn --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to > >waste money and cause potential fuel system > problems? > > > >Glenn > > > > > > > > > It's a requirement. > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:55:07 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:52:50 -0400 I haven't seen the discount days for quite a while, but if you are a member of Costco, some of their locations have gas stations and are usually much cheaper. Rob '98 VFR800 (Regular unleaded) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:58:43 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX thursdays at many exxons around montgomery county --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > That sucks then. The VFR only calls for 86 octane > which is nice. Anyhow, to answer your question I have > not seen the sales in some time. > > Glenn > > --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > >Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to > > >waste money and cause potential fuel system > > problems? > > > > > >Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a requirement. > > > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:59:14 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:59:01 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to > >waste money and cause potential fuel system problems? > > > >Glenn > > > > > > > > > It's a requirement. > > Tom de '03 ST1300 If it's a honda, it will run on anything slightly more flammable than jet fuel. put the cheap gas in it, and it will be fine. you will not, however, see 'peak performance'. most likely, your ass-o-meter will not be able to tell the difference. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:15:18 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This probably won't work for him since he wants no twisties the first night. And there are some serious ones getting to Seneca Rocks. Glenn --- Randy Moran wrote: > Seneca Rocks, WV is a nice location, scenic and > fairly central to some > kickass riding roads. It might be a little farther > away than you want > to go, but worth it it if you can take the extra 45 > minutes. > > RPM > > On Monday, October 4, 2004, at 08:36 AM, Mark > Kitchell wrote: > > > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to > leave > > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to > a > > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there > for > > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long > ride. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:18:59 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > If it's a honda, it will run on anything slightly more flammable than > jet fuel. put the cheap gas in it, and it will be fine. you will not, > however, see 'peak performance'. most likely, your ass-o-meter will not > be able to tell the difference. Bad idea. Put in what the manufacturer recommends. They recommend it for a reason. Combustion chamber design, timing advance, plug heat range, quench, compression ratio and other engine design parameters require different fuels. If you run a fuel with an octane rating lower than what your engine requires, poor performance is about the best you can expect. Engine damage (bearings, pistons, rings) from detonation can also occur. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:24:57 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Its something to consider, but I will be tired and it will be dark, well after work. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > This probably won't work for him since he wants no > twisties the first night. And there are some > serious > ones getting to Seneca Rocks. > > Glenn > > > --- Randy Moran wrote: > > > Seneca Rocks, WV is a nice location, scenic and > > fairly central to some > > kickass riding roads. It might be a little farther > > away than you want > > to go, but worth it it if you can take the extra > 45 > > minutes. > > > > RPM > > > > On Monday, October 4, 2004, at 08:36 AM, Mark > > Kitchell wrote: > > > > > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > > > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to > > leave > > > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours > to > > a > > > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay > there > > for > > > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long > > ride. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:30:27 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:30:18 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > As an extra bit of info, most people would consider it to be a really > bad idea to replace sprockets without replacing the chain at the same What he and Tom said :) You have a damaged final drive. It's not a great idea to keep riding with it in that state. Having a chain come off at speed is a really, really nasty thing. You could be seriously injured. Based on your description of the condition of the chain and sprocket, I wouldn't ride it to Wawa and back. If someone were to bring a bike in that state to our shop, and not want us to fix it with new parts, we would make them sign a disclaimer to that effect before he/she left the shop with the bike. The choice to do so or not, however, is ultimately up to you. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:41:09 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:41:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Robert Subject: "New" KLR, was Re: Need help with PA DMV Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Robert So? How was the ride? ----- First day it was wet, way wet, but OK for only 100 miles to our overnight location at Altoona. This bike has heated grips on it; a first for me. Nice to have them as a transition between nothing and full heated gear. There's some question as to whether the KLR will support a full Gerbings set-up running at full blast. Yesterday's weather was spectacular, if a bit of a cool start. They had frost overnight in the Pa. mountains. There are some great roads in Pa., NW of Hagerstown. ----- How's the new bike? ----- Runs great, and it's rejetted which improves the driveability. It's a 1990, so the graphics are a bit outdated. :) At 70+ on the slab the buffeting is a bit harsh, so I took the road less traveled back to DC. It corners like a dream with decent tires on it. ----- Ready to join the ranks of the DC Super-Moto Hoolligan crowd? ----- Prolly not. I'll be keeping the spoked wheels and semi-knobbies on it, for riding the fire roads and whatnot. Not to mention foul weather riding next winter. KLRs aren't very popular for motard conversions, for whatever reason. ;-) Robert PS: Glad it was a smooth trip! Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:05:39 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:05:36 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( ya i am gonna follow what you guys say and replace all 3.. this might take more then a weekend for me to do huh? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:14:43 2004 Subject: Herndon speed traps Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:14:39 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: It's that time o' the month and Herndon's finest must make their quotas... There's a speed trap on Sterling Rd (606) and Barbaralynn Place (between Elden and Herndon Parkway... two LEOs on foot hiding behind a fence tagging people. They're on the left as you're heading SE towards Elden, but they're tagging in both directions (they really like it when you wave). Another one at Elden and Grace on the left as you're heading East towards Van Buren. Two LEOs on scoots tagging people in both directions. I'm sure there are others, but I haven't spotted them yet. Might as well just keep it in first gear all day. I tried to email from my phone, but I guess the list don't like the addy... and I ain't subscribing from there! AT&T charges too much for the amount of bickering that goes on. :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:17:21 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:17:43 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Brian Roach CC: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( If you want to see what it looks like when a chain comes off at 30 mph (cool-down lap), check out this thread...there should be links to pictures within the thread as well. He took a nasty tumble! http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58116 LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:18:15 2004 Subject: RE: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:18:12 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Eric Geary" , > ya i am gonna follow what you guys say and replace all 3.. > this might take more then a weekend for me to do huh? If you're handy and know what you're doing (in other words, not me), I'd expect to be able to do it in about 2-3 hours if you don't have to remove the swingarm. Not sure if that's required on that bike for a chain swap. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:19:48 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: , Subject: Deux Chevaux Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:19:41 -0400 I personally like the Deux chevaux's with the wicker seats attached using wing nuts that can be removed for picnics. Also, a stranger once offered my parents a house in Mt. Pleasant for their Citroen. They did not take the offer. Hey Mark, any more gatherings at Asylum? That was fun. Lisa Goddard Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Mike vs listers To: Robert , DC Cycles Do you mean the deux chevaux? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:29:56 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:26:34 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" CC: Eric Geary , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( No bike requires you to remove the swingarm, unless you buy an endless chain from a dealership @ twice the price of an aftermarket chain. The thing you might have a problem with if you do not have tools is removing the old chain and cutting the new chain to size. A dremel with a carbon cutting wheel comes in handy. (Or an actual chain breaker tool). Also, if the replacement chain you buy comes with a rivet link instead of a clip link, you'll need a rivel tool to press the masterlink on. Howver - if you ask nicely, there's a few people here on the list that could probably assist you :) - Roach Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >If you're handy and know what you're doing (in other words, not me), I'd >expect to be able to do it in about 2-3 hours if you don't have to >remove the swingarm. Not sure if that's required on that bike for a >chain swap. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:36:36 2004 Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( From: lister lynch To: Laura Roach Cc: DC Cycles Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:36:32 -0400 I had a chain let loose on the highway once. Managed to keep it upright, but it was a hairy ride while that thing went smashing and thrashing through all of the components before it finally cleared the bike. Looked back right after I regained control and saw the chain writhing down the highway behind me like a snake. Never bought a cheap chain again. Mike On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 13:17, Laura Roach wrote: > If you want to see what it looks like when a chain comes off at 30 mph > (cool-down lap), check out this thread...there should be links to > pictures within the thread as well. He took a nasty tumble! > > http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58116 > > LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:45:07 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:40:29 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV) At 11:27 AM 10/4/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >uninitiated, the ST's "tank" is plastic). Fortunately the Givians I was under the impression that plastic tanks weren't legal for street use. My old Yamaha XT-550 had plastic fenders, and rubber mounted turn signals for off-road use, but the tank was steel. Dirt bikes had plastic tanks to limit dings, but weren't street-legal. Has this all changed since '82? Guess so. The theory back then was that if you wreck and slide, a plastic tank is more likely to abrade into a leaky mess a lot sooner than a steel one will...though I suppose the plastic is less likely to throw sparks into the results... >She-who-must-not-be-named once wrote about her first Corbin, "I can't >believe something that hard could feel so good." Steve also praised the >Corbin. But, midway down the Jersey Turnpike, I was cussing it. Maybe it's >just that I'm a candy-assed liberal but sunnuvabitch that sucker was right >painful (& I was taking pee-breaks ~every 90 minutes). I tried the stock >saddle yesterday and think it may be better suited to my chubby butt. Time >and miles will tell. I've heard that saddle shape and butt requirements have to match up. What one person loves, others will hate, and vice versa. I'm hoping that's the case, as I'm about to start looking at alternatives to the stock seat on mine. 100-165 miles all in one big motion gets painful in the extreme. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:45:11 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:28:56 -0400 To: Steve Beck , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 07:21 AM 10/4/04 -0700, Steve Beck wrote: >ROTFLMFAO And people here give a damn...why? ObMoto: What sort of seat will you be using until you grow your ass back? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 14:01:53 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV ) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:05:09 -0400 I wrote:" . . . the ST's "tank" is plastic . . ." The quotation marks are because the thingie twixt the knees isn't a tank but just room for the air filter and big-assed air whatcha-ma-call-it. The fuel tank is neath the butt. Fairly common design now. Thanks for snipping. -----Original Message----- Mike Bartman: "At 11:27 AM 10/4/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >uninitiated, the ST's "tank" is plastic). Fortunately the Givians I was under the impression that plastic tanks weren't legal for street use. My old Yamaha XT-550 had plastic fenders, and rubber mounted turn signals for off-road use, but the tank was steel. Dirt bikes had plastic tanks to limit dings, but weren't street-legal. Has this all changed since '82?" Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 14:52:29 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:52:16 -0400 From: Skip To: Wayne Edelen CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > > > If it's a honda, it will run on anything slightly more flammable than > > jet fuel. put the cheap gas in it, and it will be fine. you will not, > > however, see 'peak performance'. most likely, your ass-o-meter will not > > be able to tell the difference. > > Bad idea. Put in what the manufacturer recommends. They recommend it for > a reason. Combustion chamber design, timing advance, plug heat range, > quench, compression ratio and other engine design parameters require > different fuels. If you run a fuel with an octane rating lower than what > your engine requires, poor performance is about the best you can expect. > Engine damage (bearings, pistons, rings) from detonation can also occur. having turned wrenches for a few years I -never- saw engine damage from running lower grade fuel. knock sensors do an amazing job of detecting knock or ping, and the car's computer adjusts timing accordingly. YMMV, PDOACC. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 15:15:04 2004 Subject: RAM mount & apologies Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:15:00 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: I was mentioning in my Hurricane posts about the GPS I snagged for my trip to Roanoke. I had just zip-tied it to the bars for that trip because I didn't have enough time to get a real mounting system. While that worked, I went through a lot of zip ties because I had to hack it off every time I went into a restaruant or something. Well, my RAM mounts arrived Friday and I got everything hooked up for a couple of rides this weekend. The RAM mount rocks! The U-bolt is ugly, but functional. The rest of the system is sweet. I went with the U-bolt for the FZ1 because I'm not planning on that being permanent. The FJR doesn't have round handlebars, so I also snagged a brake reservoir mount that replaces the two bolts on the reservoir. The GPS "tray" includes a clip and a hoop for safety tethering the GPS, although I doubt there's any chance of it braking loose (at least not unless I whack something hard enough to total out the bike too). The whole thing (except the u-bolt mount of course) pops off with a couple turns of a screw clamp and it's no-where near as hideous looking as I originally expected it to be. If anyone is thinking about the RAM mounts, they've got my vote! Also... I have to apologize to the listers for my recent "giving away my old crap" posts regarding the sawhorses. I was politely chided for it being non-MC junk mail. I probably should have stated that I was cleaning the garage because it's part of the "deal" that I had to commit to in order to get my next scoot, although I'm not sure that would technically qualify as being MC related either and would probably just sound like a really sorry excuse to try to make it MC related. I shall pawn off all other free excess tools, equipment and other stuff to the FZ'ers in the area instead as they have a non-scoot related classified section. Sorry 'bout that. --smthng 'Nothing to see here... move along. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 15:17:57 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:14:03 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV ) Custer, Carl wrote: >I wrote:" . . . the ST's "tank" is plastic . . ." >The quotation marks are because the thingie twixt the knees isn't a tank but >just room for the air filter and big-assed air whatcha-ma-call-it. The fuel >tank is neath the butt. Fairly common design now. > > >Thanks for snipping. > > > OMG, LOL . Tom de '03 ST1300 >-----Original Message----- >Mike Bartman: >"At 11:27 AM 10/4/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: > > > >>uninitiated, the ST's "tank" is plastic). Fortunately the Givians >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 15:46:31 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:43:48 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV) At 02:05 PM 10/4/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >I wrote:" . . . the ST's "tank" is plastic . . ." >The quotation marks are because the thingie twixt the knees isn't a tank but >just room for the air filter and big-assed air whatcha-ma-call-it. The fuel >tank is neath the butt. Fairly common design now. Ah...yeah. The V-Rod is the same way. Come to think of it, I believe the gas tank on the V-Rod is plastic....they couldn't make that shape out of metal economically enough, and being contained in the frame apparently protects it enough to keep the DOT happy. Thanks for the explanation! -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 15:55:45 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:55:11 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV ) > >I wrote:" . . . the ST's "tank" is plastic . . ." > >The quotation marks are because the thingie twixt the knees isn't a tank but > >just room for the air filter and big-assed air whatcha-ma-call-it. The fuel > >tank is neath the butt. Fairly common design now. How much of a pain is that having the gas under the seat? I would imagine it's designed fairly well, but every scoot I've been on has always been easier to pop the gas cap than popping the seat. Wasn't the V-Max the "original" starter of the gas under the seat? Anyone know how many others out there are seat gassers now? --smthng 'Fills up the old fashioned way... by spilling it all over paint. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 16:08:15 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:08:02 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: [SABMAG] Heli-bars] from another list, but might affect someone here... WARNING: RECALL NOTICE There has been a major recall notice from Heli Bar Corporation. The following Heli Bars have been recalled: HB9401/11 Honda ST1100 (91-02) HB9701 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (97-04) HB9901 Kawasaki Concourse (86-04) HB9909 Kawasaki ZX11 (90-02) HB2012 Kawasaki ZX1200 (02-04) HB9908/09 Triumph Sprint ST (99-04) The Heli Bars on these models can crack and cause loss of control. If you have purchased one of these products from us, please contact us at: 800-889-5550. If your product was purchased from another dealer, call Heli at: 800-859-4642. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Zimbob...glad I don't work for Mr. Heli From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 17:19:00 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:36:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > having turned wrenches for a few years I -never- saw engine damage from > running lower grade fuel. Having built engines and seen damage (first hand on my car, even running VP race gas!) to internal engine components, I'll run what's necessary. In the case of stock motors, the manufacturer knows best. Suzuki recommends I run 87 in my 'Busa and it runs great on 87. If your budget is so tight that you're forced to run a low octane fuel, but your engine requires high octane, just drive gently :-) > knock sensors do an amazing job of detecting knock or ping, and the > car's computer adjusts timing accordingly. > > YMMV, PDOACC. With knock sensors, the event has already happened. There is generally an attack and decay, where the knock event occurs, the computer pulls some timing (attack) and then will slowly add that timing back in (decay) until it's back to full timing or it senses knock again. Once again, knock sensors aren't proactive, they are reactive. Every time you're getting detonation, you're hammering your rod bearings from the shock and squirting that thin film of oil out of there. Your engine, your choice :-) I disagree with your assessment and wanted to pass on my opinion and experience to the person who posted the original question. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 20:31:21 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:31:08 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Wayne Edelen CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Wayne Edelen wrote: > Your engine, your choice :-) I disagree with your assessment and wanted > to pass on my opinion and experience to the person who posted the original > question. As do I. I've put holes in the tops of enough pistons. Detonation = bad. Sensors are nice and all, but as Wayne points out - they're reactionary, the damage has been done. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 23:38:11 2004 From: "Herb Manell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: Herb@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/04/04 X-IPAddress: 127.0.0.1 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:38:03 -0700 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host48n.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32427 32427] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - motorcyclegrouptours.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: > Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:45:06 -0400 > From: "De Boeser, Tom" > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: Premium Fuel discounts > > Long ago, when I bought premium fuel, there used to be a discount day ( > "Super Tuesday" comes to mind ). The ST requires premium, do stations > still do "discount days"? > > Thanks, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > ______________________________________________________________ Hi Tom, The ST1300 does indeed require premium fuel. The 10.8:1 compression ratio and (relatively) heavy load requires the 93+ octane. I tried running the ST with regular and mid grades and experienced some knocking. Knock sensors and timing retardation can only do so much. Not wise to subject a $12-14K bike to that kind of engine knocking to save ~$1.50/fill-up. Note that some single hose pumps deliver all three octane grades from the same hose...so...even if you select premium, it may be deluted with a lesser grade from the start. Everything you always wanted to know about the new ST1300: ST1300US@XXXXXX Herb '03 ST1300 '99 VFR '94 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 07:27:16 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:23:16 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Herb@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/04/04 Herb Manell wrote: > Hi Tom, > >The ST1300 does indeed require premium fuel. The 10.8:1 compression >ratio and (relatively) heavy load requires the 93+ octane. I tried >running the ST with regular and mid grades and experienced some >knocking. Knock sensors and timing retardation can only do so much. >Not wise to subject a $12-14K bike to that kind of engine knocking to >save ~$1.50/fill-up. > > And get less tank range. I think someone else suggested using >92 octane, I've haven't and won't use anything but premium. >Everything you always wanted to know about the new ST1300: >ST1300US@XXXXXX > > Thanks. Been a member, in fact its where I found my ST!! >Herb >'03 ST1300 >'99 VFR >'94 Magna > > > > Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:05:24 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:05:09 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > > > having turned wrenches for a few years I -never- saw engine damage from > > running lower grade fuel. > > Having built engines and seen damage (first hand on my car, even running > VP race gas!) to internal engine components, I'll run what's necessary. > In the case of stock motors, the manufacturer knows best. Suzuki > recommends I run 87 in my 'Busa and it runs great on 87. If your budget > is so tight that you're forced to run a low octane fuel, but your engine > requires high octane, just drive gently :-) I suppose I should have clarified that in a high compression engine you have to drive them gently. However, I stand by my own personal experiences. > > knock sensors do an amazing job of detecting knock or ping, and the > > car's computer adjusts timing accordingly. > > > > YMMV, PDOACC. > > With knock sensors, the event has already happened. There is generally > an attack and decay, where the knock event occurs, the computer pulls some > timing (attack) and then will slowly add that timing back in (decay) until > it's back to full timing or it senses knock again. knock sensors are triggering all the time as the computer is perpetually trying to advance the timing until it knocks. By "all the time" I mean "really often". > Once again, knock sensors aren't proactive, they are reactive. Every time > you're getting detonation, you're hammering your rod bearings from the > shock and squirting that thin film of oil out of there. I agree that knock sensors are reactive, but again, they are used as an integral part of the performance management. the manufacturers have decided that having the knock event occur is acceptable. > Your engine, your choice :-) I disagree with your assessment and wanted > to pass on my opinion and experience to the person who posted the original > question. roger that. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:17:27 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:35:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > > With knock sensors, the event has already happened. There is generally > > an attack and decay, where the knock event occurs, the computer pulls some > > timing (attack) and then will slowly add that timing back in (decay) until > > it's back to full timing or it senses knock again. > > knock sensors are triggering all the time as the computer is perpetually > trying to advance the timing until it knocks. By "all the time" I mean > "really often". In my tuning experience with EFI Suzukis and many types of GM ECMs, that is not correct. You may have some tuning experience with other types of ECMs where that occurs, but I do not know of any. There is a hard limit of advance programmed in for a given set of parameters (TPS, coolant temp, MAF, etc). The computer advances timing to that number. It doesn't keep moving it until it experiences knock. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:17:52 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:17:42 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Skip wrote: > knock sensors are triggering all the time as the computer is perpetually > trying to advance the timing until it knocks. By "all the time" I mean > "really often". The ignition will only advance to a fixed point - the one the factory set for that motor with the recommended octane fuel - it doesn't keep advancing to infinity to find out if you're running 100 octane unleaded race gas and throw in 5 degrees extra for it. > the manufacturers have > decided that having the knock event occur is acceptable. *Based on the assumption that you are using the fuel they tell you to*. It's there as a guard against "bad" fuel that for some reason doesn't have the stated octane. In that sense, they're good things. However, it wasn't put there to let you throw 87 octane in a car that