From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 07:26:24 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:26:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i remember this same violin solo playing when brian > mccoy > left the list. Brian is on another list I monitor. He's married and living in AZ. His wife has a Ninja 250, which Brian probably rides a lot more than she does. He's looking for a dual sport bike to replace the VFR. Mr. Finity: This isn't the normal way of the list. These mega-storms gather and rain on everyone's parade periodically. After a week or two, the bombast dies down and we get back to talking about bikes, bike nights, ride routes and other stuff. This storm will become famous in list legend like the Squeakers and Anker storms did. Hmm, it is interesting that TG gets involved in each of these storms. At any rate, the suggestion to make a rule and simply delete messages from selected listers would be prudent. Normally I enjoy Tom's comments, so he's not on my kill list. It doesn't take too long to delete any messages past 8 or 10 that have the same subject line. On a slow day, it also makes interesting reading trying to follow a conversation when only half of it shows up in one's mailbox. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 07:59:33 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:55:43 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Got it! ( bike content ) I got it, I got it!! First, thanks to all who supplied routes to Poughkeepsie, NY. They did help, although I'm not a competent direction taker/reader. I made the mistake of assuming r95n would only have traffic issues here in DC and Balt. Well I hit traffic at every city up to NYC. 5+ hour estimated trip took me 9 hours. The trip home was much better, via PA, to MD, ending in VA. about 750-800 miles total trip. This could been do to the new to me ST1300. The ST1300 is the bike for me these days. I'll miss the VTR, it is a very nice bike - new issue of Cycle World (subscription) gives the VTR a pretty nice review. In their short blurb area they call it a a "V-twin VFR", to me thats a HUGE compliment. But for me the ST replaces the VTR very nicely. Electric windshield, heated grips, bags, its a whole 'nother world of motorcycling. I figure in two years or so I'll look into adding a SV650, once I'm over the ST features. Tom de '03 ST1300 - woot! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:24:32 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:11:29 -0400 Brian moved back to AZ from Atlanta? His wife had a Seca II, we both sold ours about the same time. He was The Man on the Seca II list. He left that list when the moderator started voicing his own politcal views. I'm glad I was about to leave it after he left. >From: Leon Begeman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:26:18 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > i remember this same violin solo playing when brian > > mccoy > > left the list. _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:30:23 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 8:30:13 -0400 > > From: "Dave Yates" > Date: 2004/09/30 Thu PM 11:02:34 EDT > To: > Subject: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers > > > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an argument over > > different views seems > > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a Harley? > > I don't know... Why is it Harley Owner's Group, and not Harley User's > Group? > Or > World Harley Organization of Riding Enthusiasts? > > ;-) > LOL! I like the last one. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:31:55 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:31:47 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: Got it! ( bike content ) Cc: DC-CYCLES > I made the > mistake of assuming r95n would only have traffic issues here in DC and > Balt. Well I hit traffic at every city up to NYC... Had you continued on 95N, you would have been in traffic to Boston (and possibly Portland, ME). Michael I-HATE-95 J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:42:08 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Guggenheim redux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ah, but less than an hour from my in-laws in Jackson. 8;) Wonder if it'll be identical to the Vegas show. -- Larry --- Sean Jordan wrote: > HAHA, suckers! That's only a 3 hour ride for me! > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:18:33 -0400, Michael Jordan > wrote: > > From the LDRider list: "The Guggenheim's Art of the Motorcycle > > Exhibition is scheduled to open next April 22, 2005 at the Wonders > > Museum in Memphis, TN, and run through the end > > of October. " > > > > > > -- > Sean Jordan > Shoot to Thrill Photography > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 08:44:11 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys To: John Finity Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- John Finity wrote: >.... I won't fill my mailbox with this daily swill. That's what digest mode is for, John -- only one message a day. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:06:10 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:05:56 EDT Subject: Prodigals son To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just in case I was missed (fat chance.) I was off list for 11 days due to an emergency trip (everyone is fine.) It did entail an 11,000mi. ride MD to NC and back and another 13,000mi. round trip drive NC to FL but all of it was in get there quick and get back mode (with the exception of an 11mi. stretch of the BRP, (I just _had_ to.)) If anyone tried to contact me during that time, I am back, try again. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:14:33 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:14:03 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Prodigals son John, remind me *never* to allow you to plot any routes for group rides. :) - Roach PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > did entail an 11,000mi. ride MD to NC and back and another 13,000mi. round trip > drive NC to FL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:18:31 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Prodigals son Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:18:23 -0400 Glad you're back. Are you sure about the mileage quoted?? 11,000 miles MD to NC seems a little excessive, as well as 13,000 miles to FL. Maybe one too many zeros? LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Hollywood, FL AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Prodigals son Just in case I was missed (fat chance.) I was off list for 11 days due to an emergency trip (everyone is fine.) It did entail an 11,000mi. ride MD to NC and back and another 13,000mi. round trip drive NC to FL but all of it was in get there quick and get back mode (with the exception of an 11mi. stretch of the BRP, (I just _had_ to.)) If anyone tried to contact me during that time, I am back, try again. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:19:14 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Prodigals son Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 9:19:07 -0400 "Honey, I'm heading to the corner market!" ...several hours and several hundred miles later... "I got the milk and bread!" > From: Brian Roach > Date: 2004/10/01 Fri AM 09:14:03 EDT > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Prodigals son > > John, remind me *never* to allow you to plot any routes > for group rides. > > :) > > - Roach > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > did entail an 11,000mi. ride MD to NC and back and > > another 13,000mi. round trip drive NC to FL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:21:10 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:21:02 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at 55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when testing a bike's speed limit. Ouch. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:21:49 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:21:29 EDT Subject: Re: Prodigals son To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:14:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > John, remind me *never* to allow you to plot any routes for group rides. Hey! If you ever needed a group "but burn" to Cherokee, NC or the Dragon I would be your man... (Did I mention that I got a call at 2:00pm. and was on the road at 2:30 and in Ela (Cherokee) NC at 11:30?) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:30:13 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:30:00 EDT Subject: Re: Prodigals son To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:18:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, linda@XXXXXX writes: > 11,000 miles MD > to NC seems a little excessive, as well as 13,000 miles to FL. Well! I started my indignant reply pointing out that the figures were _round trip_ .... Then I saw that I had written 11 _thousand_ miles. Would you believe I went north to get south? It was very cold at the North Pole, but Santa was nice #:-/ How about jet lag? Damn. John (math wiz.) Walters PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:34:02 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:33:50 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) Im going riding hopefully a lot this weekend was wondering if you guys can suggest any routes, or roads to take? for your information i am somewhat of a noob only about 1,000 miles under my belt and ride a 1990 suzuki gs 500. I cant wait to get out there again! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:37:15 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) To: Eric Geary , DC Cycles Try the ride sheets here: http://www.dccycles.com/ --- Eric Geary wrote: > Im going riding hopefully a lot this weekend was > wondering if you guys > can suggest any routes, or roads to take? for your > information i am > somewhat of a noob only about 1,000 miles under my > belt and ride a > 1990 suzuki gs 500. I cant wait to get out there > again! > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:37:44 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:37:34 EDT Subject: Re: Prodigals son To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:19:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirkroy@XXXXXX writes: > "Honey, I'm heading to the corner market!" ...several hours and several > hundred miles later... Back in the early 80)B’s I went for totally unplanned ride one fine Saturday morning. I wound up 750mi. from home. Looked at a map about 600mi. into the trip, saw that a young lady I knew was going to college just up the road and decided to visit. Married her a year or so later. True story. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:43:25 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:43:15 -0400 From: Skip To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Aki Damme wrote: > > At 02:09 AM 9/30/2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Okay okay, I'm not getting this here. Let me see if I can > >figure this out. > > > >I made little notes for the gist of the messages. I tried > >to do a reply > >order and may have missed one or two. Indents imply > >replied to the message > >above and one character to the left. > > > > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an > argument over different views seems > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a > Harley? Just because I ride a Harley > doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to > argue a particular point fine, just > keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person holds. --skip for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:47:25 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:47:21 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda While dispatching a road-hogging SUV with extreme prejudice, I had opportunity to discover that my front end shakes at 100, and doesn't stop (or get much worse) by 110. I suspect that it's a tire. Robert wrote: > > One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress > placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any > errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at > 55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when > testing a bike's speed limit. > > Ouch. > > Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:47:37 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:47:30 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Hey, if anyone has a lead on a Renault 2CV or a Fiat 500, drop me a line off-list! Robert (No joke, the 2CV is a classic, especially the Charleston model) On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:43:15 -0400, Skip wrote: > > because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior > product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing > a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person > holds. > > --skip > > for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:49:28 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Mike vs listers To: Skip , DC Cycles Renault makes fantastic cars now. I am not kidding. Don't besmirch their name.. --- Skip wrote: > > > Aki Damme wrote: > > > > At 02:09 AM 9/30/2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Okay okay, I'm not getting this here. Let me see > if I can > > >figure this out. > > > > > >I made little notes for the gist of the messages. > I tried > > >to do a reply > > >order and may have missed one or two. Indents > imply > > >replied to the message > > >above and one character to the left. > > > > > > > > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does > an > > argument over different views seems > > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a > > Harley? Just because I ride a Harley > > doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone > wants to > > argue a particular point fine, just > > keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. > > because anyone who would intentionally and willfully > choose an inferior > product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. > It's like choosing > a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every > belief the person > holds. > > --skip > > > > for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:52:49 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Mike vs listers To: Robert , DC Cycles Do you mean the deux chevaux? --- Robert wrote: > Hey, if anyone has a lead on a Renault 2CV or a Fiat > 500, drop me a > line off-list! > > Robert > > > (No joke, the 2CV is a classic, especially the > Charleston model) > > > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:43:15 -0400, Skip > wrote: > > > > because anyone who would intentionally and > willfully choose an inferior > > product should have that fact brought up > repeatedly. It's like choosing > > a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every > belief the person > > holds. > > > > --skip > > > > for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm. > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:54:23 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:54:20 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Got it! ( bike content ) Michael Jordan wrote: > > > I made the > > mistake of assuming r95n would only have traffic issues here in DC and > > Balt. Well I hit traffic at every city up to NYC... > > Had you continued on 95N, you would have been in traffic to Boston > (and possibly Portland, ME). > > Michael I-HATE-95 J. I avoid 95 North of DC at nearly any cost... traffic, tolls, traffic, crap road, tolls, traffic, and tolls. fsck that! --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:55:19 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:55:09 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Honestly, you would need to botch the balancing job pretty badly or have a weight get thrown off to have balance issues. I static balance my tires at the shop, and have never had a shake issue with a front ... and that's at speeds from 0 - 160mph on my 250. I'd suspect tire wear/cupping or a general chassis geometry issue unless the wheel balancing is way off. - Roach Skip wrote: > While dispatching a road-hogging SUV with extreme prejudice, I had > opportunity to discover that my front end shakes at 100, and doesn't > stop (or get much worse) by 110. > > I suspect that it's a tire. > > > > Robert wrote: > >>One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress >>placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any >>errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at >>55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when >>testing a bike's speed limit. >> >>Ouch. >> >>Robert > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:56:24 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:42:08 -0400 You could check with John Walters (PenguinBiker@XXXXXX). I hear he has an 11,000 mile round trip route between MD and NC. Seriously, there are lots of roads west of DC that are good. Unfortunately, there will be lots of bikes and scenery gazers on the weekends. There will also be lots of cops... Perry >From: Eric Geary >Reply-To: Eric Geary >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:33:50 -0400 > >Im going riding hopefully a lot this weekend was wondering if you guys >can suggest any routes, or roads to take? for your information i am >somewhat of a noob only about 1,000 miles under my belt and ride a >1990 suzuki gs 500. I cant wait to get out there again! > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 09:56:40 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:56:34 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Skip Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep. Leaving work last week I was pacing a WRX down the toll-way towards DC, and glanced at the SRT-4 speedo to find I was at 105. Perfectly smooth, but a bit alarming... ;-) On-moto, I think the increased wind blast at 85++ speeds is the main clue I've exceeded my normal riding zone. Once I've gotten used to a regular riding pace, the wind/buffeting/road noise is my main indicator of relative speed, a kind of Zen cruise control. Conversely I have found myself going much slower than usual when facing a strong head-wind, the psychological effect of increased wind buffeting makes me roll off the throttle when I don't actually have to... Just my {inflation-adjusted small monetary unit of choice}, of course. Robert On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:47:21 -0400, Skip wrote: > While dispatching a road-hogging SUV with extreme prejudice, I had > opportunity to discover that my front end shakes at 100, and doesn't > stop (or get much worse) by 110. > > I suspect that it's a tire. > > > > > Robert wrote: > > > > One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress > > placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any > > errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at > > 55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when > > testing a bike's speed limit. > > > > Ouch. > > > > Robert > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:00:14 2004 Subject: Ride routes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:00:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: It would be very nice to know some alternate interesting twisty ride routes. Shepherdstown pike is a good one about an hour away just past Harper's Ferry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:01:07 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Mike vs listers Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:00:59 -0400 > > From: Skip > Date: 2004/10/01 Fri AM 09:43:15 EDT > To: Aki Damme > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Mike vs listers > > > > Aki Damme wrote: > > > > At 02:09 AM 9/30/2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Okay okay, I'm not getting this here. Let me see if I can > > >figure this out. > > > > > >I made little notes for the gist of the messages. I tried > > >to do a reply > > >order and may have missed one or two. Indents imply > > >replied to the message > > >above and one character to the left. > > > > > > > > It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an > > argument over different views seems > > to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a > > Harley? Just because I ride a Harley > > doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to > > argue a particular point fine, just > > keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. > > because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior > product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing > a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person > holds. > > --skip > Fiat-Davidson. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:04:47 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:04:40 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride routes If you're up in that area, one of the most insane roads is Summit Point Road between Charles Town and Summit Point (the racetrack), which can then be taken out to Rt 7 in VA. Up and down over hills, twisty, winding. The only thing you have to keep in mind is that it is NOT forgiving as there are ditches and telephone poles a-plenty along the side. - Roach Julian Halton wrote: > It would be very nice to know some alternate interesting twisty ride > routes. Shepherdstown pike is a good one about an hour away just past > Harper's Ferry > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:05:36 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Mike vs listers Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:05:29 -0400 Isn't a 2CV a Citroen? LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Hollywood, FL AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Robert [mailto:robert.verde@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Hey, if anyone has a lead on a Renault 2CV or a Fiat 500, drop me a line off-list! Robert (No joke, the 2CV is a classic, especially the Charleston model) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:06:55 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: 205 mph honda Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:06:35 -0400 cool headline... http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=10712 9/30/2004 MotoGP Top Speeds From Thursday's Qualifying Session In Qatar, And Only Three Are Faster Than The Infamous Minnesota RC51 Honda Streetbike Copyright 2004, Roadracing World Publishing, Inc. MotoGP Top Speeds From Thursday Qualifying: 1. Colin Edwards, Honda, 206.7 mph 2. Makoto Tamada, Honda, 206.0 mph 3. Neil Hodgson, Ducati, 205.7 mph 4. Sete Gibernau, Honda, 204.6 mph 5. Ruben Xaus, Ducati, 204.5 mph 6. Max Biaggi, Honda, 204.1 mph 7. Nicky Hayden, Honda, 203.7 mph 8. Alex Barros, Honda, 203.6 mph 9. Troy Bayliss, Ducati, 203.3 mph 10. Valentino Rossi, Yamaha, 203.1 mph 11. Carlos Checa, Yamaha, 202.8 mph 12. John Hopkins, Suzuki, 202.6 mph 13. Shinya Nakano, Kawasaki, 201.9 mph 14. Loris Capirossi, Ducati, 201.1 mph 15. Marco Melandri, Yamaha, 200.1 mph 16. Norick Abe, Yamaha, 199.5 mph 17. Yukio Kagayama, Suzuki, 198.8 mph 18. Nobuatsu Aoki, Proton, 195.5 mph 19. Jeremy McWilliams, Aprilia, 195.1 mph 20. James Haydon, Proton, 194.3 mph 21. Alex Hofmann, Kawasaki, 192.6 mph 22. Youichi Ui, Harris WCM, 191.6 mph 23. James Ellison, Harris WCM, 186.3 mph --------------------- Shigeru Honda 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 98 SuperHawk (4sale) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) 91 CR80 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: 205 mph honda > While dispatching a road-hogging SUV with extreme prejudice, I had > opportunity to discover that my front end shakes at 100, and doesn't > stop (or get much worse) by 110. > > I suspect that it's a tire. > > > > Robert wrote: > > > > One thing this thread has reminded me of is the different stress > > placed on a bike when ridden in triple-digit speeds. I suspect any > > errant flaw in a tire carcass or a wheel that is nicely balanced at > > 55-85 but not above this range, might become painfully apparent when > > testing a bike's speed limit. > > > > Ouch. > > > > Robert > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:11:25 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:11:16 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: "LindaT." Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Cc: Dc-Cycles D'oh! You're absolutely right, Linda. I was thinking of Renault, but their R5 is nowhere near as cool as the 2CV. Let me add Citroen to the list! Robert (And, yes, I will take my small car rambling off-list.) On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:05:29 -0400, LindaT. wrote: > Isn't a 2CV a Citroen? > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Hollywood, FL > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:17:10 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:17:02 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride routes Hey Julian, If you're in that area, try taking Bakerton road to 28. Follow 28 North and then when it ends at 31, take a right then a left onto Cement Hill. Take a right after Meadow Lane in order to stay on Cement Hill and follow that up the river. It dumps you into Sheperdstown and eventualy turns into German Road. It's a nice back way out in and out of Sheperdstown. Another one to try near Harpers Ferry is Chestnut Hill Road. It's a nice cutover between 340 and 9. Watch out for resident cagers and gravel on corners, but it's an interesting road at points. Also, next time I have some of the FZ riders heading out to The Plains, I'll let you know. There are some roads out there you'd love. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:00:04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > It would be very nice to know some alternate interesting twisty ride > routes. Shepherdstown pike is a good one about an hour away just past > Harper's Ferry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:27:59 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:46:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mike vs listers On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Do you mean the deux chevaux? Wouldn't that be Citroen and not Renault? :-) The 2CV and 4CV. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 10:37:17 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 205 mph honda On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > Honestly, you would need to botch the balancing job pretty badly or have > a weight get thrown off to have balance issues. I static balance my > tires at the shop, and have never had a shake issue with a front ... and > that's at speeds from 0 - 160mph on my 250. > > I'd suspect tire wear/cupping or a general chassis geometry issue unless > the wheel balancing is way off. I have some vibes from a recent tire change, Brian. My bike was very smooth up into super-illegal speeds with BT010s, now I've got a little shake from 70-I'mnotgoingtosayonthelistwithallthewhiningaboutsomeonegoing205mph. Nothing dangerous, just noticeable. Oh yeah, new skins are BT014s. Are the BT014's carcass just that much stiffer and I'm feeling more road imperfections? I doubt that's the case, but I guess it's possible? JT Motorsports did the work for me, as well as the last 2 tire changes (damn these bikes eat tires) ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:26:54 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:26:39 EDT Subject: Re: 205 mph honda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:47:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > I suspect that it's a tire. Check tire pressure first, it is easy, cheap. (use the owners manual or sticker on the bike to determine proper pressure, _not_ the tire sidewall.) Check steering head bearings. Any odd loads? Trunk? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:27:52 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:27:43 EDT Subject: Re: 205 mph honda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Even a Mo-ped will do 300mph. (over a cliff...) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:30:38 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:30:25 EDT Subject: Re: Mike vs listers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:43:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > willfully choose an inferior > product How does one choose an inferior toy? The choice of a bike is _entirely_ subjective. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:35:22 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:34:29 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride routes On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > If you're up in that area, one of the most insane roads is Summit Point > Road between Charles Town and Summit Point (the racetrack), which can > then be taken out to Rt 7 in VA. Up and down over hills, twisty, > winding. The only thing you have to keep in mind is that it is NOT > forgiving as there are ditches and telephone poles a-plenty along the side. > > - Roach That area is my home turf. Summit Point road is decent, but there are more twisty roads a plenty up there. A lot of good roads run perpendicular to 9 between 7 and 340 are a load of fun. You can just head up and pick some and you'll do ok. The good stuff doesn't really start until you cross over 81 though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:35:37 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:35:26 EDT Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:56:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > I hear he has an > 11,000 mile round trip route between MD and NC. Via Fairbanks, Alaska #:-) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:44:07 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 205 mph honda > I have some vibes from a recent tire change, Brian. My bike was very > smooth up into super-illegal speeds with BT010s, now I've got a little > shake from > 70-I'mnotgoingtosayonthelistwithallthewhiningaboutsomeonegoing205mph. > Nothing dangerous, just noticeable. Oh yeah, new skins are BT014s. Are > the BT014's carcass just that much stiffer and I'm feeling more road > imperfections? I doubt that's the case, but I guess it's possible? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I just put a set of 014's on my YZF600. They are smooth as silk into the 140mph+ range. I balanced them myself though. I'd check the balance on yours. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 11:54:14 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:54:07 -0400 From: Skip To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:43:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX > writes: > > > willfully choose an inferior > > product > > How does one choose an inferior toy? > The choice of a bike is _entirely_ subjective. perhaps you missed the last line of my post... "for the humor impaired, that was sarcasm." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:18:03 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:57:54 -0400 To: "Dave Yates" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers At 11:02 PM 9/30/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >> It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an argument over >> different views seems >> to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a Harley? > >I don't know... Why is it Harley Owner's Group, and not Harley User's >Group? Because HOG is more in keeping with Harley history than HUG? The old racing team mascot was a boar, not a bear. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:18:03 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:55:42 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 06:54 PM 9/30/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >i've recently been appointed list quality control manager. Let's see the badge. >how about why is anyone suddenly disappearing from your >rides? this situation is so rarely an issue that it is odd >that there would be a "rule" to cover it. Happens on most rides, usually on the return trip as people drop out to head home. Folks live all over, and we usually pass someone's neighborhood on the way back. I've been on rides that started out with 20 bikes, and when I dropped out there were anywhere from 1 to 4 left (I live near some of the road captains, so we are often headed to the same area, while others may live 10-20 miles away back up the road). >my implied point (re: out of staggered formation) was that >these problems resolve themselves quickly when there is any >varying terrain. one turn and voila! proper formation >returns. If you always go single file around a turn, yes. We usually only go single file when we hit a very narrow back road, have to pass someone on the shoulder (usually hikers or pedal bikers, sometimes stopped vehicles), or other situation where staggered would be hazardous. If you guys are always "dragin' a knee" on the corners, playing race track and seeing how fast you can take the turn, you'd certainly want single file. We don't ride like that so we wpend 80% or more of most rides in staggered formation. >> >why would there ever be a situation (save a stop) where >> a rider >> >to the rear has placed his front tire in front of the >> rear >> >tire of ANYONE in front of him/her? >> >> Following too close? > >against the rules Sorry, you didn't mention that... ;-) >> Planning to pass in the same lane? (had this done to me >> more than once, usually in groups other than >> HOG, where such things are against the rules as well as >> the local laws). > >what you said Yep, but it does happen anyway. >> Even without that overlap, someone changing tracks like >> that can reduce the >> following distance of the bike now behind him to unsafe >sounds like it. of course, not blindly charging to "fill a >hole" while riding a cageless vehicle might work equally as >well. Yep. That's the plan I use. Others have different ideas though, even in my limited experience. Telling them ahead of time not to do that seems to help...never had it happen on a New Member Ride for instance, where the rules are always clearly gone over at the start. Even though many of the riders have little or no group riding experience. Doesn't hurt the experienced riders to hear it again either. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:18:07 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:12:15 -0400 To: Skip , Aki Damme From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 09:43 AM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: >> It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an >> argument over different views seems >> to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a >> Harley? Just because I ride a Harley >> doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to >> argue a particular point fine, just >> keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. > >because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior >product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing >a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person >holds. Ok, Aki, I guess he's asking us to raz him about his poor choice of bike over and over.... Opinions vary. Your bike would suck as a choice for me. It's total crap from the way I'm built, the way I want to ride and the uses I have for a bike. Lousy design in every way. Uncomfortable, poor carrying capacity, irritating noise, and ugly. More seriously and to answer Aki, I'm "experienced" enough to realize that needs vary, so choice does too. I'm sure your bike is perfect...for you. It would be useless for me. I expect that most Harley owners are at least as "experienced", which is why you don't see a lot of anti-sport-bike comments from Harley owners, like you do the reverse. Just anti-squid comments, which aren't restricted to sportbikers doing wheelies through school zones, but apply to anyone being a dickhead on two wheels. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:27:30 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I wonder... I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the same person? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:31:50 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:31:39 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 09:43 AM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > >Aki Damme wrote: > > >> It seems to me, and I may be wrong, but why does an > >> argument over different views seems > >> to degrade to bashing whomever happens to own a > >> Harley? Just because I ride a Harley > >> doesn't make me automatically wrong. Someone wants to > >> argue a particular point fine, just > >> keep what manufacturer made your bike out of it. > > > >because anyone who would intentionally and willfully choose an inferior > >product should have that fact brought up repeatedly. It's like choosing > >a Fiat or a Renault. It calls into question every belief the person > >holds. > > Ok, Aki, I guess he's asking us to raz him about his poor choice of bike > over and over.... > > Opinions vary. Your bike would suck as a choice for me. It's total crap > from the way I'm built, the way I want to ride and the uses I have for a > bike. Lousy design in every way. Uncomfortable, poor carrying capacity, > irritating noise, and ugly. > > > > More seriously and to answer Aki, I'm "experienced" enough to realize that > needs vary, so choice does too. I'm sure your bike is perfect...for you. > It would be useless for me. I expect that most Harley owners are at least > as "experienced", which is why you don't see a lot of anti-sport-bike > comments from Harley owners, like you do the reverse. Just anti-squid > comments, which aren't restricted to sportbikers doing wheelies through > school zones, but apply to anyone being a dickhead on two wheels. It's a sabre. Of course it's ugly! :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:36:02 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:35:52 -0400 From: Skip To: "Daniel H. Brown" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I wonder... has anyone seen both of them in the same place at the same time? "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the same person? > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 12:54:01 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:53:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Harleys, not harleys, disagreements, was Re: Mike vs listers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Because HOG is more in keeping with Harley history than >HUG? >The old racing team mascot was a boar, not a bear. [Dave] No $hit? I thought it was a BEER :-) I coudln't resist... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 14:06:22 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'viffermaniac@XXXXXX'" Subject: Need help with PA DMV Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:09:35 -0400 Long ago Paul Winced, "I'm on the horns of a dilemma (sounds painful)" Then Wilson Pleaded: "I'm highest bidder on a new-to-me KLR on eBay and it's in PA, and I'm hoping to ride it back to DC next weekend. I'm having a hard time finding provisions to buy a "trip permit." In VA, it's so easy. Just apply on-line. Unfortunately, this is available only to VA sellers or residents." [Carl]: I just got back from the MD MVA with hard plates for my new-to-me '96 ST1100. It's in Boston; I'm flying up Saturday to drive it back. Interestingly (Weirdly?), for out-of-State, drive-'em-back purchases, MD doesn't issue a paper temp tag, they issue you your permanent metal tags. Ah, but, TANSTAAFL! They put a hold on your title until you skip back in with your inspection papers. Strange or not, how kewl is that? [I've scheduled the inspection with "Rick Hart at the Potomac Village Amoco. 301 299-8400. quick and painless." "Tell 'em Tom sent you." ] Gracias Tom Other reliable inspection sources from my files are Wayne's: [MONTGOMERY VILLAGE AUTO CLINIC 19398 Montgomery Village Ave, Gaithersburg MD 20879 (301) 840-1148] Please accept my apology for the motorcycle content. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocinito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (STumped for a name) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 14:56:29 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I wonder... To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the > same person? do you really think i could adequately juggle the responsibilities of list asshole and list windbag while at the same time owning and operating a law firm and title company? i'm flattered.... but you're incorrect. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 15:11:11 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:11:05 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Hey, I changed the headlight in my sportbike today. Man what a pain in the > butt: > > http://www.schelin.org/stuff/headlight/index.html Ouch! That is a painful series of photos. The headlights in my VStrom are almost reachable from the saddle. If I had longer arms... Seriously, the 'Strom is the easiest vehicle to get to the headlight bulbs on that I have EVER owned. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 15:15:42 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:15:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Eric Geary Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Im going riding hopefully a lot this weekend was wondering if you guys > can suggest any routes, or roads to take? In addition to the ride sheets that another member already pointed to: Head west of Leesburg - almost no bad choices. Look for roads with three or four number designators (i.e. 601, 1934, etc.) The four digit roads may have some dirt stretches. In Virginia, these are county roads and tend to have a lot less traffic than the major routes. Look for roads without painted stripes down the middle. Not sure of Maryland conventions, but a lot of nice backroads there also. Enjoy, Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 16:08:17 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:26:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 205 mph honda On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, dan wrote: > I just put a set of 014's on my YZF600. They are smooth as silk into the > 140mph+ range. I balanced them myself though. I'd check the balance on > yours. > > Dan Thanks for the datapoint, Dan. I'll pull 'em off and check 'em. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 17:42:07 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:41:49 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Mike B, and Sean; have fun with your list guys Cc: John Finity , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > That's what digest mode is for, John -- only one message a day. > -- Larry Yeah, but then you actually have to wade through the stuff, as opposed to being able to shoot it down from the subject line. I've found a source for inexpensive "Delete" keys, and am no longer afraid of wearing it out. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 18:31:00 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:30:46 EDT Subject: Non-moto - FS: Bowflex XTL $500 obo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One lightly used Bowflex XTL about 2 years old. :-) Retail $1999. Comes equipped with the Lat Pull Down attachment, Squat attachment and the Leg Extension/Curl attachment. Have also performed the recall work required by Bowflex. Has the 310 pound rod option as opposed to the 210 pound basic model. I have all the manuals and the workout video. Pick up or delivery within a reasonable distance. Located in downtown DC. Haven't used it in about a year and it's just taking up space. I can take pictures if anyone's interested. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 18:51:39 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:51:26 EDT Subject: Re: Non-moto - FS: Bowflex XTL $500 obo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oops....almost forgot. Phone numbers. :-) Home - 202-824-0778 Work - 202-274-2867. In a message dated 10/1/2004 6:31:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: One lightly used Bowflex XTL about 2 years old. :-) Retail $1999. Comes equipped with the Lat Pull Down attachment, Squat attachment and the Leg Extension/Curl attachment. Have also performed the recall work required by Bowflex. Has the 310 pound rod option as opposed to the 210 pound basic model. I have all the manuals and the workout video. Pick up or delivery within a reasonable distance. Located in downtown DC. Haven't used it in about a year and it's just taking up space. I can take pictures if anyone's interested. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 19:13:02 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: World Superbike Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:12:24 -0400 Did anyone catch the second race of the World Superbike championship last weekend? Soup has a great write up on their site: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Oct/041001wa.htm Apparently Chris Vermeulen pulled off quite a feat coming back from dead last to 6th place; it reminded me of Scott Russell at Daytona. My question for the racers is why did Giovanni Bussei get a stop and go penalty for picking Vermeulen up after he crashed? No good deed goes unpunished I guess, although if Honda wins the championship Bussei will probably not be very welcome at Ducati anymore :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 19:27:34 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:26:56 -0400 To: Skip , "Daniel H. Brown" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: I wonder... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think that would be really unwise...the resulting blast would probably eliminate any witnesses. -- Mike B. At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at the same time? > >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: >> >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the same person? >> >> -- >> Dan Brown >> brown@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 19:42:34 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:42:55 -0400 To: Michael Jordan , Eric Geary From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 03:15 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >for roads without painted stripes down the middle. Not sure of >Maryland conventions, but a lot of nice backroads there also. The smallest roads often don't have numbers, but names on the signs, though they may have numbers assigned too. The medium-sized roads usually go by their numbers (29, 80, 70, etc.) but often have names as well (confusing when using a GPS that tells you what road you are on using the other system from what's on the signs...). Just pick a road out of town, and when you get out a bit, hit some side roads. The ones in western MC are nice (out 355, River or 28 for a while, then head off somewhere...or just follow River until it quits and then pick randomly...once past a point south of Poolseville it gets suddenly a lot narrower and slower and slightly more challenging from potholes, sticks, leaves, and steep inclines for a couple of miles). If you aren't interested so much in the pig paths, just follow 28 out toward Point Of Rocks...mostly high speed curves and straights, with slower spots in towns. You can go over the bridge there to Virginia and head down 15 to Leesburg, then west like Michael suggested, or go north up toward Frederick, then west out toward Hagerstown if you like, or stay on it up toward Thurmont...nice mountain roads up in the Catoctin Mountain area. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 19:42:42 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:33:28 -0400 To: Michael Jordan , Carl Schelin From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Mike vs listers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 03:11 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >Seriously, the 'Strom is the easiest vehicle to get to the headlight >bulbs on that I have EVER owned. Easier than a H-D Heritage? Couple of screws and a trim ring and you have it. All out where you can get at it too. Same deal for the passing lamps. The turn signals are just a pair of screws each. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 20:05:01 2004 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:04:43 -0400 From: Steven McCollom To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: World Superbike X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [70.18.235.182] at Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:04:55 -0500 bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > > why did Giovanni Bussei get a stop and go penalty for > picking Vermeulen up after he crashed? He was penalized for stopping on the racetrack. The privateer Honda's battle for the championship would have been even more exciting if Vermuelen hadn't been stripped of his points in one race (fourth place I think) because the Fireblade's tipover switch was found to be faulty in post-race inspection. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 20:46:56 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I wonder... To: Mike Bartman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX shall i take this as an ever-so-slight hint that you would kill me if you saw me? --- Mike Bartman wrote: > I think that would be really unwise...the resulting blast > would probably > eliminate any witnesses. > > -- Mike B. > > At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at the > same time? > > > >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > >> > >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the > same person? > >> > >> -- > >> Dan Brown > >> brown@XXXXXX _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 20:49:05 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:49:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/01/04 Cc: Re: X-Spam-Level: At 07:00 PM 10/1/2004, you wrote: > > Hey, I changed the headlight in my sportbike today. Man what a pain in the > > butt: > > > > http://www.schelin.org/stuff/headlight/index.html > >Ouch! That is a painful series of photos. Man you aren't kidding. I guess you are supposed to remove the crankshaft for more clearance to get at the bulb? Mine is one screw, drop reflector forward, 1/4 turn to release bulb, install new bulb, pop back into bucket, tighten screw. BMWs are easy. At least mine is. Of course, for the difference in bike price you could have flown the whole factory team out to your house and had them change the bulb for you... #:^( Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 20:55:20 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:13:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/01/04 On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Chris Chubb wrote: > > > http://www.schelin.org/stuff/headlight/index.html > > > >Ouch! That is a painful series of photos. > > BMWs are easy. At least mine is. Of course, for the difference in bike > price you could have flown the whole factory team out to your house and had > them change the bulb for you... #:^( Uhm, Hayabusas are easy (just remove a single panel), too. Carl didn't know how to do it, so he took the long way :-) Carl - post next time before you work on your bike. There are some 'Busa owners on the list (or check www.suzukihayabusa.org and use the search function). -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 1 21:43:25 2004 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I wonder... To: DC Cycles WILL YOU BOTH SHUT THE FUCK UP? No one cares. Take your dick-fight somewhere else. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > shall i take this as an ever-so-slight hint that you > would > kill me if you saw me? > > > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > I think that would be really unwise...the > resulting blast > > would probably > > eliminate any witnesses. > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > > >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at > the > > same time? > > > > > >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > >> > > >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are > actually the > > same person? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Dan Brown > > >> brown@XXXXXX > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 00:05:14 2004 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:03:11 -0400 To: Tom Gimer From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: I wonder... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Of course not. It's just the usual problem of mixing complete opposites. Do a search on "anti-matter" for ideas on the possible outcomes. -- Mike B. At 05:46 PM 10/1/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >shall i take this as an ever-so-slight hint that you would >kill me if you saw me? > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> I think that would be really unwise...the resulting blast >> would probably >> eliminate any witnesses. >> >> -- Mike B. >> >> At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: >> >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at the >> same time? >> > >> >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: >> >> >> >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are actually the >> same person? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dan Brown >> >> brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 07:16:11 2004 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:15:54 -0400 Subject: Re: World Superbike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: bernescut@XXXXXX From: Randy Moran On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 07:12 PM, bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > > My question for the racers is why did Giovanni Bussei get a stop and > go penalty for > picking Vermeulen up after he crashed? No good deed goes unpunished I > guess, although if Honda wins the championship Bussei will probably > not be > very welcome at Ducati anymore :) Usually, one is not supposed to stop for any reason on a "hot" racetrack, crowd pleasing cooldown lap antics notwithstanding. I remember the announcers discussing whether Bussei might be fined for the incident in question. Anyway, stopping in that situation is very dangerous, and there have more than a few career-ending injuries caused by crashes which resulted from collisions between stopped and circulating riders; Bubba Shobert's crash in the USGP in the early '90s comes to mind. I'm sure all racers appreciate the sportsmanship, but track marshalls and sanctioning bodies tend to frown on such things. RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 12:44:54 2004 From: "Shane" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 10/01/04 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:44:32 -0400 Hey all, Just in case anybody is interested I am selling a 1993 kawasaki ex 500. it runs great, 9000 miles, and has good tires. It has very minor rash on one side from a 5-10 mph dump over. Let me know if you may be interested. It's a great bike, it was my girlfriends but she would rather have a cruiser style to learn on. $1500 obo Reply to Shanesr74@XXXXXX I am also toying with selling my 93 rx-7 twin turbo if anybody feels like going fast while staying dry and warm! Price undecided as yet. Thanks Shane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 13:07:02 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:06:48 EDT Subject: Bowflex has been sold (tentatively) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mr. Roach has spoken up and decided he needs a new clothes hanger so, so far, it is gone. Thanks for all the responses. All 2 of them. ;-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 13:26:18 2004 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I wonder... To: DC Cycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > WILL YOU BOTH SHUT THE FUCK UP? > > No one cares. Take your dick-fight somewhere else. shit. the dick-fight has been postponed due to lack of fan support. check www.bruisedgenetalia.com for an update on scheduling. > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > shall i take this as an ever-so-slight hint that you > > would > > kill me if you saw me? > > > > > > > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > > I think that would be really unwise...the > > resulting blast > > > would probably > > > eliminate any witnesses. > > > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > At 12:35 PM 10/1/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > > > >has anyone seen both of them in the same place at > > the > > > same time? > > > > > > > >"Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I wonder... whether Bartman and Gimer are > > actually the > > > same person? > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Dan Brown > > > >> brown@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 14:35:09 2004 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:34:56 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I wonder... Cc: DC Cycles > the dick-fight has been postponed due to lack of fan > support. check www.bruisedgenetalia.com for an update on And to think that I actually bit and clicked on the link... Michael (I should know better by now) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 2 16:47:31 2004 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:47:26 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles , VStrom List , LDRider Subject: Fwd: Cool roller coaster! Text is in German, but the pictures work. Now I have another reason to go back to Europe ---Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 13:44 To: mjordan812@XXXXXX; Thomas Jordan Subject: Cool roller coaster! http://www.coastersandmore.de/rides/bb/bbmain.shtml -s- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 15:40:49 2004 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: ST1100 for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is a friends bike. Check out the link for details http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8azgz/ST1100.htm ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:05:08 2004 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:04:50 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ST1100 for sale Hugh Caldwell wrote: > This is a friends bike. Check out the link for details > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8azgz/ST1100.htm I sure hope he's not gonna miss that bike too much when it's gone. It's been pretty good to him over the years. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:20:28 2004 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:20:25 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( so here is a short summary, i was riding had to do a U-turn in one of those parts of the road that people only really use for u-turning. anyways i came to a stop and went to put my foot down and it was a down hill so went further then i expected then i hit some gravel and my foot slipped and down i went. i couldnt stop the bike from hitting but it was let down REALLY soft so with my adrenaline i ripped it back up it wasnt even on the ground long enough to cut off, i look over the bike not a scratch thank you god! i go to continue on my way, and i put it in first and it doesnt move just reves i start to roll it forward and it locks the front tire up , i look down and the chain in the back is off so i do it like a bicycle cause thats all i know and put a few links on the sprocket and to my suprise rolls right on. well then i see its loose as hell! so i ride it home and next day i tighten it up with my g/f's father who used to ride dirtbikes, he says the sprocket is worn (new one came with bike) so we have it tight (properly) and we spin the tire, and about 3/4ths the way around it stops sudden, i look down and the links arent seating... one person said its probably frozen links , i havent lubed the chain in the aprox. 1,000 miles ive ridden the bike and washed it 2x. so i am definetly doing the sprocket change should i get a new chain? what about the front sprocket? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:24:55 2004 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:24:52 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: info for riding in northern Va? (roads, places ect) wow sounds awesome guys i got a lot to learn though im such a noob i do motorcycles injustice by not leaning enough yet... i actually live in Frostburg MD but keep my bike at home in Va since i dont have a garage with my apt up here:P id love to go riding with any1 that wouldnt mind a noob hainging around From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:29:15 2004 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:28:43 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Eric Geary CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Eric Geary wrote: > we spin the tire, and about 3/4ths > the way around it stops sudden, i look down and the links arent > seating... one person said its probably frozen links , i havent lubed > the chain in the aprox. 1,000 miles ive ridden the bike and washed it > 2x. so i am definetly doing the sprocket change should i get a new > chain? what about the front sprocket? The reason your chain was so loose is because it stretched. If it stretched enough to come off ... I'd think about getting a new one. As for the front sprocket ... inspect it for wear. If the teeth are worn, replace everything at once (and front sprockets are pretty cheap). - Roach http://www.speedwerks.com - The one stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 22:34:28 2004 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:34:23 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( well i think it came off because when it went down the metal "frame" looking piece i think pushed in on the sprocket which must of poppes the chain off... could i have stretched it when i tried to move it and it was wedged between the metal and the sprocket? where is a good place to get chains how much they cost and is it dangerous to ride lets say another 500 miles on it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 3 23:42:33 2004 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:42:18 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Eric Geary CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Eric Geary wrote: > well i think it came off because when it went down the metal "frame" > looking piece i think pushed in on the sprocket which must of poppes > the chain off... could i have stretched it when i tried to move it and > it was wedged between the metal and the sprocket? If you can stretch a chain with a chain guard or your bare hands ... you might want to sign up for that 'World's Strongest Man' thing I've seen on TV :) Seriously though ... if the chain wasn't loose to begin with (from stretching), it wouldn't have been able to pop off without the use of large, heavy tools (as in bolt cutters or a carbon cutting wheel). You could flip the bike end over end at 100mph and it wouldn't come off. > where is a good place to get chains how much they cost and is it > dangerous to ride lets say another 500 miles on it? As long as your rear sprocket isn't missing teeth altogether, you'll be fine now that you've adjusted the tension by moving the rear wheel back. You should, however, replace it in the near future, especially if the rear sprocket is worn (the teeth will break off at some point). You didn't say what kind of bike or what size of chain, but for the most part a good O-ring chain is around $100, the rear sprocket will be around $50, and the front around $30. - Roach http://www.speedwerks.com - The one stop shop for all your motorcycling needs. -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 00:09:09 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:09:06 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( I have a 1990 suzuki gs-500, i believe it will require an O-ring chain gah im broke too:( i hope it makes it till winter.. would a 185 mile group ride be unwise? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:37:09 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: DC Cycles I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to leave DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to a town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there for two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long ride. Looking for a town to stay in that is about 3 hours from DC, mostly super slab. It will be night when I leave so I am not looking for the twisties right away. Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a nice motel or reasonable bed and breakfast to spend two nights at? Thanks Mark PS: My thought for Virginia was New Market. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:49:06 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:45:06 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Premium Fuel discounts Long ago, when I bought premium fuel, there used to be a discount day ( "Super Tuesday" comes to mind ). The ST requires premium, do stations still do "discount days"? Thanks, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:50:18 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles try lexington or staunton in va. new market is only 2 hours away and not as good a start point as points further south/west. there are some very cool b&bs along the i81 corridor in this area (harrisonburg too). --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to leave > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to a > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there for > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long ride. > > Looking for a town to stay in that is about 3 hours > from DC, mostly super slab. It will be night when I > leave so I am not looking for the twisties right away. > > > Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a nice > motel or reasonable bed and breakfast to spend two > nights at? > > Thanks > > Mark > > PS: My thought for Virginia was New Market. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:51:39 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:51:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles oh, here's a search tool i've used for this purpose in the past: http://www.bnbfinder.com/ --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to leave > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to a > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there for > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long ride. > > Looking for a town to stay in that is about 3 hours > from DC, mostly super slab. It will be night when I > leave so I am not looking for the twisties right away. > > > Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a nice > motel or reasonable bed and breakfast to spend two > nights at? > > Thanks > > Mark > > PS: My thought for Virginia was New Market. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 08:51:57 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:51:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. Cc: DC Cycles To: Mark Kitchell From: Randy Moran Seneca Rocks, WV is a nice location, scenic and fairly central to some kickass riding roads. It might be a little farther away than you want to go, but worth it it if you can take the extra 45 minutes. RPM On Monday, October 4, 2004, at 08:36 AM, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to leave > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to a > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there for > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long ride. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 09:36:19 2004 Subject: Maryland Moto Invasion Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:36:05 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I took a ride up to the Fell's Point festival yesterday. I think I saw the most bikes I have ever seen in one place. The Harley crowd vastly outnumbered the others...I ended up parking beside two Harley dudes and following them around for a few hours. Thanks to Pat and Steve for the hospitality. Pat does custom work and repair work on both bikes and cars so I got an education. Was witness to a few burnouts and the loudest pipes I have ever heard (thunderhawk?). Colors were in full display and had no idea the Angels were prevalent in MD. Good time, great ride! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 09:58:35 2004 Subject: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:58:29 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Hey all... it was the start of "garage cleaning month" for me this weekend and I have some stuff to get rid of. Right now, I need to find a home for some sawhorses/workbenches. I've got a Stanley workbench and two Black and Decker folding sawhorses. The Stanley is actually pretty nifty for a sawhorse, or pretty cheesy for a workbench, depending on your point of view. The B&D's are just functional. You can check out the Stanley here: http://smallurl.com/?i=19568 The B&D is here: http://smallurl.com/?i=19566 Price: FREE!!! FREE!!! FREE!!! I'm in Springfield and will be happy to meet anyone who wants them. All are in decent shape and work just fine. I've just got too much crap in the garage. First one to shoot an email to me offlist gets them. --smthng 'Fobbing off his excess crap and hoping someone will take mercy upon him before the wife makes him take ANOTHER trip to the dump. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:05:58 2004 Subject: RE: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:05:48 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Ack... Those links are all screwed up. Sorry about that. If you REALLY want to see them, ignore the hosed up links and just go to Home Depot. You can find both of them under Shop - Hand Tools - Sawhorses. The "Folding Workbench" and "Folding Sawhorse" are the two I'm talking about. --smthng 'Does actually work with computers in spite of not being able to get a link working. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:58 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs > > Hey all... it was the start of "garage cleaning month" for > me this weekend and I have some stuff to get rid of. Right > now, I need to find a home for some sawhorses/workbenches. > I've got a Stanley workbench and two Black and Decker folding > sawhorses. The Stanley is actually pretty nifty for a > sawhorse, or pretty cheesy for a workbench, depending on your > point of view. The B&D's are just functional. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:08:44 2004 Subject: RE: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs (gone) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:08:41 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" D@mn, ya'll jump on free stuff, don't ya?!? :) I've already got a handful of emails... Consider them gone. --smthng > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:58 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Non-MC - Sawhorses up for grabs > > Hey all... it was the start of "garage cleaning month" for > me this weekend and I have some stuff to get rid of. Right > now, I need to find a home for some sawhorses/workbenches. > I've got a Stanley workbench and two Black and Decker folding > sawhorses. The Stanley is actually pretty nifty for a > sawhorse, or pretty cheesy for a workbench, depending on your > point of view. The B&D's are just functional. > > You can check out the Stanley here: > http://smallurl.com/?i=19568 > _id=2&prod > uct_line_id=51&Sub_Sub_Super_id=9&this=515> > > The B&D is here: http://smallurl.com/?i=19566 > p?BV_Sessi > onID=@@@@0575466464.1096897837@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadcmjllddje > cgelceffdf > gidgki.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=Products_2/Hand%20Tools&MID= > 9876&pos=n > 22> > > Price: FREE!!! FREE!!! FREE!!! I'm in Springfield and > will be happy to meet anyone who wants them. All are in > decent shape and work just fine. I've just got too much crap > in the garage. First one to shoot an email to me offlist gets them. > > --smthng > > 'Fobbing off his excess crap and hoping someone will take > mercy upon him before the wife makes him take ANOTHER trip to > the dump. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:22:18 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ROTFLMFAO --- Tom Gimer wrote: but insisting that folks should endure a pre-ride ceremony of common-sense-reduced-to-writing just to join a 50-bike 50-mile rolling tampon ride up the interstate is overkill; __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:46:05 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:45:59 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Custer,Carl" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Need help with PA DMV Cc: "'viffermaniac@XXXXXX'" Operation KLR Removal accomplished. My wife and I drove up to Ridgway, Pa., conducted the transaction, then we caravaned back. On Saturday, through some of the heavy rain. Yesterday was beautiful for sampling some of the finest roads in the Keystone Kommonwealth. -=P -----Original Message----- From: "Custer, Carl" Long ago Paul Winced, "I'm on the horns of a dilemma (sounds painful)" Then Wilson Pleaded: "I'm highest bidder on a new-to-me KLR on eBay and it's in PA, and I'm hoping to ride it back to DC next weekend. I'm having a hard time finding provisions to buy a "trip permit." In VA, it's so easy. Just apply on-line. Unfortunately, this is available only to VA sellers or residents." [Carl]: I just got back from the MD MVA with hard plates for my new-to-me '96 ST1100. It's in Boston; I'm flying up Saturday to drive it back. Interestingly (Weirdly?), for out-of-State, drive-'em-back purchases, MD doesn't issue a paper temp tag, they issue you your permanent metal tags. ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:47:45 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:47:37 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Eric Geary CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Eric Geary wrote: > I have a 1990 suzuki gs-500, i believe it will require an O-ring chain > gah im broke too:( i hope it makes it till winter.. would a 185 mile > group ride be unwise? If the chain has links binding as you described, at the very least I would suggest getting some degreaser and a stiff brush from the local auto supply store and trying to free it up by giving it a thorough scrubbing. Otherwise ... personally, I wouldn't ride on it, but I'm pretty safety conscious - your threshold might be higher. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 10:54:21 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:54:08 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( hmm ok i can definetly replace the rear and the front doesnt seem like it will cost much and i can drop it a tooth while im at it anyways, but the chain, if i can get it loose should i be ok? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:00:59 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:00:48 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Need help with PA DMV Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So? How was the ride? How's the new bike? Ready to join the ranks of the DC Super-Moto Hoolligan crowd? ;-) Robert PS: Glad it was a smooth trip! On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:45:59 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Paul Wilson wrote: > Operation KLR Removal accomplished. My wife and I drove up to Ridgway, Pa., conducted the transaction, then we caravaned back. On Saturday, through some of the heavy rain. Yesterday was beautiful for sampling some of the finest roads in the Keystone Kommonwealth. > > -=P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:09:48 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( To: Eric Geary , dc-cycles@XXXXXX dude, nobody here is going to say "you'll be fine, go ahead and ride" with your final drive in the condition you have described. --- Eric Geary wrote: > hmm ok i can definetly replace the rear and the front > doesnt seem like > it will cost much and i can drop it a tooth while im at > it anyways, > but the chain, if i can get it loose should i be ok? > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:24:03 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Need help with PA DMV Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:27:17 -0400 Wilson Posted: Operation KLR Removal accomplished. My wife and I drove up to Ridgway, Pa., conducted the transaction, then we caravaned back. On Saturday, through some of the heavy rain. Yesterday was beautiful for sampling some of the finest roads in the Keystone Kommonwealth. -=P Congratulations. I have a new-to-me bike also: I bought a '96 ST1100 in Boston from a fellow Maggot, Steve. Flew Independence Air (Whatta bah-gan) Steve picked me up at Logan and drove me to his place. He went through the details and we readied the bike for the road (That is, the bike was ready -- we put my crap in and on it.)] My biggest concern was mounting the magnetic Givi tank bag (For the uninitiated, the ST's "tank" is plastic). Fortunately the Givians (Givites?) had affixed a pair of slide-release buckles on the bag's side flaps (One male and one female - you know those Italians). A visit to the local REI garnered a 8 foot length of red nylon strap with another a pair of matching slide release buckles. Steve ran the strap under the top engine mounts, over the tank, and out under the other engine mount. Snapped and cinched, the bag was unmovable.] We loaded the Givi top box with manuals, a spare air filter, bearings, and such. We bungeed on the stock saddle and I snapped on the G.P.S., hooked up the Autocom then Steve showed me the nuances of replacing the side panels, bags, and such.] Finally, Steve gave me instructions on how to get out of town, his girl friend got teary-eyed, and I got geared up and on my way about 1:30+. There's not much to say about Boston to DC. It's not very far (~450 miles) but it's populated with Connecticut and Pennsylvania drivers 8^(. Plus, Noo Yawk is smack in the middle. Two items: [1] ST nominal. Now I fully understand. I had driven another's ST but it was group-riding so I didn't really open it up. Alone on the Mass Turnpike (& later) I would occasionally glimpse at the G.P.S. and note it was registering 80-85 MPH (The bike's speedo is 5+ MPH optimistic). In some ways, the ST isn't that much better than a well-tuned baby Sabre with a good shield. But the ST's engine at 4000 RPM is hauling the bike at a speed that the Baby Sabre needs 5500 RPM to attain. Plus, a twist of the fun-lever allows you to pass Left-Lane-Hogs with extreme prejudice while to do the same with a Baby Sabre takes some tranny stirring. Anyway, my average rolling speed was 66.7 MPH including Boston traffic, and my Big Apple adventure (below). [2] Lane SpliTTing: My map, G.P.S. and the Empire State's road signs didn't quite jibe so I missed the route across the Tappan Zee bridge and ended up heading down I-87 into La Manzana Grande. Arriving at the creeping traffic before the George Washington Bridge, a Dual Sport Cyclist passed me and began lane splitting. I counted to about 12 and decided "Why the hell not?" Either Gotham drivers are sympathetic to motorcyclists or the ST's big-assed head light was sufficiently intimidating that no one attempted to crowd me. I was soon on the tail of the dual sport. You gotta appreciate a bike that big that will nimbly dodge pot holes and squeeze twixt cages while climbing the bridge's approach ramp. Color me happy. [3 bonus] %$#@ Corbin: She-who-must-not-be-named once wrote about her first Corbin, "I can't believe something that hard could feel so good." Steve also praised the Corbin. But, midway down the Jersey Turnpike, I was cussing it. Maybe it's just that I'm a candy-assed liberal but sunnuvabitch that sucker was right painful (& I was taking pee-breaks ~every 90 minutes). I tried the stock saddle yesterday and think it may be better suited to my chubby butt. Time and miles will tell. Carl in Bethesda '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '96 ST1100 (STill STumped for a name) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:27:22 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to waste money and cause potential fuel system problems? Glenn --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Long ago, when I bought premium fuel, there used to > be a discount day ( > "Super Tuesday" comes to mind ). The ST requires > premium, do stations > still do "discount days"? > > Thanks, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:27:44 2004 Subject: RE: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:27:41 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: As an extra bit of info, most people would consider it to be a really bad idea to replace sprockets without replacing the chain at the same time. Any "oddities" in your chain will almost instantly start changing your sprockets for the worse. It's kind of like having a nut and bolt with bad threads. You don't put a bad nut on a good bolt hoping the bolt will fix the nut... It's far more likely to just screw up the nut even more than it already is and wreck the bolt in the process. Same concept. Do yourself a favor and save up to do both sprockets AND the chain at the same time. Then, REGULARLY check the tension and lube the chain. If you can't afford to do the whole ball of wax right now, just clean and lube that chain as much as you can. If you do end up riding on it, be REALLY careful with it and go real light on the throttle. If you know someone who rides regularly, have them check it and give you an opinion. Without actually seeing how bad it is, any advice as to it's behavior is going to just be guesswork, and most people will error on the side of caution... Meaning they'll tell you to forget about riding it because a broken chain or sprocket is a REALLY bad thing at any kind of speed. Also, don't think that overtightening a chain will make up for it being too slack previously... I've found that it's much worse to have a chain too tight (regardless of it's original condition). Don't feel bad, I had to learn this lesson the hard way as well before it finally sunk in. :( Don't take this as me coming down on you... It's quite likely that more people have done this than are willing to admit it. We all gotta learn somehow. --smthng 'Waiting on delivery of his shaft drive so he can forget about this whole tensioning and lubing thing. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Geary [mailto:eric.geary@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my > first drop =( > > hmm ok i can definetly replace the rear and the front doesnt > seem like it will cost much and i can drop it a tooth while > im at it anyways, but the chain, if i can get it loose > should i be ok? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:37:54 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:33:59 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Glenn Dysart wrote: >Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to >waste money and cause potential fuel system problems? > >Glenn > > > > It's a requirement. Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:48:30 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX That sucks then. The VFR only calls for 86 octane which is nice. Anyhow, to answer your question I have not seen the sales in some time. Glenn --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to > >waste money and cause potential fuel system > problems? > > > >Glenn > > > > > > > > > It's a requirement. > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:55:07 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:52:50 -0400 I haven't seen the discount days for quite a while, but if you are a member of Costco, some of their locations have gas stations and are usually much cheaper. Rob '98 VFR800 (Regular unleaded) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:58:43 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX thursdays at many exxons around montgomery county --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > That sucks then. The VFR only calls for 86 octane > which is nice. Anyhow, to answer your question I have > not seen the sales in some time. > > Glenn > > --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > >Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to > > >waste money and cause potential fuel system > > problems? > > > > > >Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a requirement. > > > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 11:59:14 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:59:01 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >Does the ST REQUIRE premium or do you just want to > >waste money and cause potential fuel system problems? > > > >Glenn > > > > > > > > > It's a requirement. > > Tom de '03 ST1300 If it's a honda, it will run on anything slightly more flammable than jet fuel. put the cheap gas in it, and it will be fine. you will not, however, see 'peak performance'. most likely, your ass-o-meter will not be able to tell the difference. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:15:18 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This probably won't work for him since he wants no twisties the first night. And there are some serious ones getting to Seneca Rocks. Glenn --- Randy Moran wrote: > Seneca Rocks, WV is a nice location, scenic and > fairly central to some > kickass riding roads. It might be a little farther > away than you want > to go, but worth it it if you can take the extra 45 > minutes. > > RPM > > On Monday, October 4, 2004, at 08:36 AM, Mark > Kitchell wrote: > > > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to > leave > > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours to > a > > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay there > for > > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long > ride. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:18:59 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > If it's a honda, it will run on anything slightly more flammable than > jet fuel. put the cheap gas in it, and it will be fine. you will not, > however, see 'peak performance'. most likely, your ass-o-meter will not > be able to tell the difference. Bad idea. Put in what the manufacturer recommends. They recommend it for a reason. Combustion chamber design, timing advance, plug heat range, quench, compression ratio and other engine design parameters require different fuels. If you run a fuel with an octane rating lower than what your engine requires, poor performance is about the best you can expect. Engine damage (bearings, pistons, rings) from detonation can also occur. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:24:57 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Need Info: Base of Operations for a weekend in WVa. To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Its something to consider, but I will be tired and it will be dark, well after work. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > This probably won't work for him since he wants no > twisties the first night. And there are some > serious > ones getting to Seneca Rocks. > > Glenn > > > --- Randy Moran wrote: > > > Seneca Rocks, WV is a nice location, scenic and > > fairly central to some > > kickass riding roads. It might be a little farther > > away than you want > > to go, but worth it it if you can take the extra > 45 > > minutes. > > > > RPM > > > > On Monday, October 4, 2004, at 08:36 AM, Mark > > Kitchell wrote: > > > > > I am looking to head out for a weekend trip this > > > coming weekend with my wife. My thought is to > > leave > > > DC Friday night and ride for about three hours > to > > a > > > town in West Viginia or Virginia. Then stay > there > > for > > > two nights with Saturday devoted to a nice long > > ride. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:30:27 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:30:18 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > As an extra bit of info, most people would consider it to be a really > bad idea to replace sprockets without replacing the chain at the same What he and Tom said :) You have a damaged final drive. It's not a great idea to keep riding with it in that state. Having a chain come off at speed is a really, really nasty thing. You could be seriously injured. Based on your description of the condition of the chain and sprocket, I wouldn't ride it to Wawa and back. If someone were to bring a bike in that state to our shop, and not want us to fix it with new parts, we would make them sign a disclaimer to that effect before he/she left the shop with the bike. The choice to do so or not, however, is ultimately up to you. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 12:41:09 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:41:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Robert Subject: "New" KLR, was Re: Need help with PA DMV Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Robert So? How was the ride? ----- First day it was wet, way wet, but OK for only 100 miles to our overnight location at Altoona. This bike has heated grips on it; a first for me. Nice to have them as a transition between nothing and full heated gear. There's some question as to whether the KLR will support a full Gerbings set-up running at full blast. Yesterday's weather was spectacular, if a bit of a cool start. They had frost overnight in the Pa. mountains. There are some great roads in Pa., NW of Hagerstown. ----- How's the new bike? ----- Runs great, and it's rejetted which improves the driveability. It's a 1990, so the graphics are a bit outdated. :) At 70+ on the slab the buffeting is a bit harsh, so I took the road less traveled back to DC. It corners like a dream with decent tires on it. ----- Ready to join the ranks of the DC Super-Moto Hoolligan crowd? ----- Prolly not. I'll be keeping the spoked wheels and semi-knobbies on it, for riding the fire roads and whatnot. Not to mention foul weather riding next winter. KLRs aren't very popular for motard conversions, for whatever reason. ;-) Robert PS: Glad it was a smooth trip! Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:05:39 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:05:36 -0400 From: Eric Geary Reply-To: Eric Geary To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( ya i am gonna follow what you guys say and replace all 3.. this might take more then a weekend for me to do huh? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:14:43 2004 Subject: Herndon speed traps Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:14:39 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: It's that time o' the month and Herndon's finest must make their quotas... There's a speed trap on Sterling Rd (606) and Barbaralynn Place (between Elden and Herndon Parkway... two LEOs on foot hiding behind a fence tagging people. They're on the left as you're heading SE towards Elden, but they're tagging in both directions (they really like it when you wave). Another one at Elden and Grace on the left as you're heading East towards Van Buren. Two LEOs on scoots tagging people in both directions. I'm sure there are others, but I haven't spotted them yet. Might as well just keep it in first gear all day. I tried to email from my phone, but I guess the list don't like the addy... and I ain't subscribing from there! AT&T charges too much for the amount of bickering that goes on. :P --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:17:21 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:17:43 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Brian Roach CC: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( If you want to see what it looks like when a chain comes off at 30 mph (cool-down lap), check out this thread...there should be links to pictures within the thread as well. He took a nasty tumble! http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58116 LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:18:15 2004 Subject: RE: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:18:12 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Eric Geary" , > ya i am gonna follow what you guys say and replace all 3.. > this might take more then a weekend for me to do huh? If you're handy and know what you're doing (in other words, not me), I'd expect to be able to do it in about 2-3 hours if you don't have to remove the swingarm. Not sure if that's required on that bike for a chain swap. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1 - Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags, Yoshimura RS3 Race Titanium Slip-on, Ivan's Jet Kit, Cox Racing sliders, AIS removed, rear tire hugger and chain guard. '05 Yamaha FJR1300 ABS - Ordered!!! Yamaha monkeys wrenching on it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:19:48 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: , Subject: Deux Chevaux Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:19:41 -0400 I personally like the Deux chevaux's with the wicker seats attached using wing nuts that can be removed for picnics. Also, a stranger once offered my parents a house in Mt. Pleasant for their Citroen. They did not take the offer. Hey Mark, any more gatherings at Asylum? That was fun. Lisa Goddard Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Mike vs listers To: Robert , DC Cycles Do you mean the deux chevaux? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:29:56 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:26:34 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" CC: Eric Geary , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( No bike requires you to remove the swingarm, unless you buy an endless chain from a dealership @ twice the price of an aftermarket chain. The thing you might have a problem with if you do not have tools is removing the old chain and cutting the new chain to size. A dremel with a carbon cutting wheel comes in handy. (Or an actual chain breaker tool). Also, if the replacement chain you buy comes with a rivet link instead of a clip link, you'll need a rivel tool to press the masterlink on. Howver - if you ask nicely, there's a few people here on the list that could probably assist you :) - Roach Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >If you're handy and know what you're doing (in other words, not me), I'd >expect to be able to do it in about 2-3 hours if you don't have to >remove the swingarm. Not sure if that's required on that bike for a >chain swap. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:36:36 2004 Subject: Re: Chain and Sprocket question, and the story of my first drop =( From: lister lynch To: Laura Roach Cc: DC Cycles Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:36:32 -0400 I had a chain let loose on the highway once. Managed to keep it upright, but it was a hairy ride while that thing went smashing and thrashing through all of the components before it finally cleared the bike. Looked back right after I regained control and saw the chain writhing down the highway behind me like a snake. Never bought a cheap chain again. Mike On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 13:17, Laura Roach wrote: > If you want to see what it looks like when a chain comes off at 30 mph > (cool-down lap), check out this thread...there should be links to > pictures within the thread as well. He took a nasty tumble! > > http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58116 > > LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:45:07 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:40:29 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV) At 11:27 AM 10/4/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >uninitiated, the ST's "tank" is plastic). Fortunately the Givians I was under the impression that plastic tanks weren't legal for street use. My old Yamaha XT-550 had plastic fenders, and rubber mounted turn signals for off-road use, but the tank was steel. Dirt bikes had plastic tanks to limit dings, but weren't street-legal. Has this all changed since '82? Guess so. The theory back then was that if you wreck and slide, a plastic tank is more likely to abrade into a leaky mess a lot sooner than a steel one will...though I suppose the plastic is less likely to throw sparks into the results... >She-who-must-not-be-named once wrote about her first Corbin, "I can't >believe something that hard could feel so good." Steve also praised the >Corbin. But, midway down the Jersey Turnpike, I was cussing it. Maybe it's >just that I'm a candy-assed liberal but sunnuvabitch that sucker was right >painful (& I was taking pee-breaks ~every 90 minutes). I tried the stock >saddle yesterday and think it may be better suited to my chubby butt. Time >and miles will tell. I've heard that saddle shape and butt requirements have to match up. What one person loves, others will hate, and vice versa. I'm hoping that's the case, as I'm about to start looking at alternatives to the stock seat on mine. 100-165 miles all in one big motion gets painful in the extreme. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 13:45:11 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:28:56 -0400 To: Steve Beck , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gimer rises from the depths (was: Re: Dear Mr. Gridlock) At 07:21 AM 10/4/04 -0700, Steve Beck wrote: >ROTFLMFAO And people here give a damn...why? ObMoto: What sort of seat will you be using until you grow your ass back? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 14:01:53 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV ) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:05:09 -0400 I wrote:" . . . the ST's "tank" is plastic . . ." The quotation marks are because the thingie twixt the knees isn't a tank but just room for the air filter and big-assed air whatcha-ma-call-it. The fuel tank is neath the butt. Fairly common design now. Thanks for snipping. -----Original Message----- Mike Bartman: "At 11:27 AM 10/4/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >uninitiated, the ST's "tank" is plastic). Fortunately the Givians I was under the impression that plastic tanks weren't legal for street use. My old Yamaha XT-550 had plastic fenders, and rubber mounted turn signals for off-road use, but the tank was steel. Dirt bikes had plastic tanks to limit dings, but weren't street-legal. Has this all changed since '82?" Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 14:52:29 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:52:16 -0400 From: Skip To: Wayne Edelen CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > > > If it's a honda, it will run on anything slightly more flammable than > > jet fuel. put the cheap gas in it, and it will be fine. you will not, > > however, see 'peak performance'. most likely, your ass-o-meter will not > > be able to tell the difference. > > Bad idea. Put in what the manufacturer recommends. They recommend it for > a reason. Combustion chamber design, timing advance, plug heat range, > quench, compression ratio and other engine design parameters require > different fuels. If you run a fuel with an octane rating lower than what > your engine requires, poor performance is about the best you can expect. > Engine damage (bearings, pistons, rings) from detonation can also occur. having turned wrenches for a few years I -never- saw engine damage from running lower grade fuel. knock sensors do an amazing job of detecting knock or ping, and the car's computer adjusts timing accordingly. YMMV, PDOACC. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 15:15:04 2004 Subject: RAM mount & apologies Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:15:00 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: I was mentioning in my Hurricane posts about the GPS I snagged for my trip to Roanoke. I had just zip-tied it to the bars for that trip because I didn't have enough time to get a real mounting system. While that worked, I went through a lot of zip ties because I had to hack it off every time I went into a restaruant or something. Well, my RAM mounts arrived Friday and I got everything hooked up for a couple of rides this weekend. The RAM mount rocks! The U-bolt is ugly, but functional. The rest of the system is sweet. I went with the U-bolt for the FZ1 because I'm not planning on that being permanent. The FJR doesn't have round handlebars, so I also snagged a brake reservoir mount that replaces the two bolts on the reservoir. The GPS "tray" includes a clip and a hoop for safety tethering the GPS, although I doubt there's any chance of it braking loose (at least not unless I whack something hard enough to total out the bike too). The whole thing (except the u-bolt mount of course) pops off with a couple turns of a screw clamp and it's no-where near as hideous looking as I originally expected it to be. If anyone is thinking about the RAM mounts, they've got my vote! Also... I have to apologize to the listers for my recent "giving away my old crap" posts regarding the sawhorses. I was politely chided for it being non-MC junk mail. I probably should have stated that I was cleaning the garage because it's part of the "deal" that I had to commit to in order to get my next scoot, although I'm not sure that would technically qualify as being MC related either and would probably just sound like a really sorry excuse to try to make it MC related. I shall pawn off all other free excess tools, equipment and other stuff to the FZ'ers in the area instead as they have a non-scoot related classified section. Sorry 'bout that. --smthng 'Nothing to see here... move along. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 15:17:57 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:14:03 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV ) Custer, Carl wrote: >I wrote:" . . . the ST's "tank" is plastic . . ." >The quotation marks are because the thingie twixt the knees isn't a tank but >just room for the air filter and big-assed air whatcha-ma-call-it. The fuel >tank is neath the butt. Fairly common design now. > > >Thanks for snipping. > > > OMG, LOL . Tom de '03 ST1300 >-----Original Message----- >Mike Bartman: >"At 11:27 AM 10/4/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: > > > >>uninitiated, the ST's "tank" is plastic). Fortunately the Givians >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 15:46:31 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:43:48 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV) At 02:05 PM 10/4/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >I wrote:" . . . the ST's "tank" is plastic . . ." >The quotation marks are because the thingie twixt the knees isn't a tank but >just room for the air filter and big-assed air whatcha-ma-call-it. The fuel >tank is neath the butt. Fairly common design now. Ah...yeah. The V-Rod is the same way. Come to think of it, I believe the gas tank on the V-Rod is plastic....they couldn't make that shape out of metal economically enough, and being contained in the frame apparently protects it enough to keep the DOT happy. Thanks for the explanation! -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 15:55:45 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:55:11 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV ) > >I wrote:" . . . the ST's "tank" is plastic . . ." > >The quotation marks are because the thingie twixt the knees isn't a tank but > >just room for the air filter and big-assed air whatcha-ma-call-it. The fuel > >tank is neath the butt. Fairly common design now. How much of a pain is that having the gas under the seat? I would imagine it's designed fairly well, but every scoot I've been on has always been easier to pop the gas cap than popping the seat. Wasn't the V-Max the "original" starter of the gas under the seat? Anyone know how many others out there are seat gassers now? --smthng 'Fills up the old fashioned way... by spilling it all over paint. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 16:08:15 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:08:02 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: [SABMAG] Heli-bars] from another list, but might affect someone here... WARNING: RECALL NOTICE There has been a major recall notice from Heli Bar Corporation. The following Heli Bars have been recalled: HB9401/11 Honda ST1100 (91-02) HB9701 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (97-04) HB9901 Kawasaki Concourse (86-04) HB9909 Kawasaki ZX11 (90-02) HB2012 Kawasaki ZX1200 (02-04) HB9908/09 Triumph Sprint ST (99-04) The Heli Bars on these models can crack and cause loss of control. If you have purchased one of these products from us, please contact us at: 800-889-5550. If your product was purchased from another dealer, call Heli at: 800-859-4642. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Zimbob...glad I don't work for Mr. Heli From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 17:19:00 2004 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:36:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > having turned wrenches for a few years I -never- saw engine damage from > running lower grade fuel. Having built engines and seen damage (first hand on my car, even running VP race gas!) to internal engine components, I'll run what's necessary. In the case of stock motors, the manufacturer knows best. Suzuki recommends I run 87 in my 'Busa and it runs great on 87. If your budget is so tight that you're forced to run a low octane fuel, but your engine requires high octane, just drive gently :-) > knock sensors do an amazing job of detecting knock or ping, and the > car's computer adjusts timing accordingly. > > YMMV, PDOACC. With knock sensors, the event has already happened. There is generally an attack and decay, where the knock event occurs, the computer pulls some timing (attack) and then will slowly add that timing back in (decay) until it's back to full timing or it senses knock again. Once again, knock sensors aren't proactive, they are reactive. Every time you're getting detonation, you're hammering your rod bearings from the shock and squirting that thin film of oil out of there. Your engine, your choice :-) I disagree with your assessment and wanted to pass on my opinion and experience to the person who posted the original question. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 20:31:21 2004 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:31:08 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Wayne Edelen CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Wayne Edelen wrote: > Your engine, your choice :-) I disagree with your assessment and wanted > to pass on my opinion and experience to the person who posted the original > question. As do I. I've put holes in the tops of enough pistons. Detonation = bad. Sensors are nice and all, but as Wayne points out - they're reactionary, the damage has been done. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 4 23:38:11 2004 From: "Herb Manell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: Herb@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/04/04 X-IPAddress: 127.0.0.1 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:38:03 -0700 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host48n.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32427 32427] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - motorcyclegrouptours.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: > Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:45:06 -0400 > From: "De Boeser, Tom" > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: Premium Fuel discounts > > Long ago, when I bought premium fuel, there used to be a discount day ( > "Super Tuesday" comes to mind ). The ST requires premium, do stations > still do "discount days"? > > Thanks, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > ______________________________________________________________ Hi Tom, The ST1300 does indeed require premium fuel. The 10.8:1 compression ratio and (relatively) heavy load requires the 93+ octane. I tried running the ST with regular and mid grades and experienced some knocking. Knock sensors and timing retardation can only do so much. Not wise to subject a $12-14K bike to that kind of engine knocking to save ~$1.50/fill-up. Note that some single hose pumps deliver all three octane grades from the same hose...so...even if you select premium, it may be deluted with a lesser grade from the start. Everything you always wanted to know about the new ST1300: ST1300US@XXXXXX Herb '03 ST1300 '99 VFR '94 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 07:27:16 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:23:16 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Herb@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/04/04 Herb Manell wrote: > Hi Tom, > >The ST1300 does indeed require premium fuel. The 10.8:1 compression >ratio and (relatively) heavy load requires the 93+ octane. I tried >running the ST with regular and mid grades and experienced some >knocking. Knock sensors and timing retardation can only do so much. >Not wise to subject a $12-14K bike to that kind of engine knocking to >save ~$1.50/fill-up. > > And get less tank range. I think someone else suggested using >92 octane, I've haven't and won't use anything but premium. >Everything you always wanted to know about the new ST1300: >ST1300US@XXXXXX > > Thanks. Been a member, in fact its where I found my ST!! >Herb >'03 ST1300 >'99 VFR >'94 Magna > > > > Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:05:24 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:05:09 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > > > having turned wrenches for a few years I -never- saw engine damage from > > running lower grade fuel. > > Having built engines and seen damage (first hand on my car, even running > VP race gas!) to internal engine components, I'll run what's necessary. > In the case of stock motors, the manufacturer knows best. Suzuki > recommends I run 87 in my 'Busa and it runs great on 87. If your budget > is so tight that you're forced to run a low octane fuel, but your engine > requires high octane, just drive gently :-) I suppose I should have clarified that in a high compression engine you have to drive them gently. However, I stand by my own personal experiences. > > knock sensors do an amazing job of detecting knock or ping, and the > > car's computer adjusts timing accordingly. > > > > YMMV, PDOACC. > > With knock sensors, the event has already happened. There is generally > an attack and decay, where the knock event occurs, the computer pulls some > timing (attack) and then will slowly add that timing back in (decay) until > it's back to full timing or it senses knock again. knock sensors are triggering all the time as the computer is perpetually trying to advance the timing until it knocks. By "all the time" I mean "really often". > Once again, knock sensors aren't proactive, they are reactive. Every time > you're getting detonation, you're hammering your rod bearings from the > shock and squirting that thin film of oil out of there. I agree that knock sensors are reactive, but again, they are used as an integral part of the performance management. the manufacturers have decided that having the knock event occur is acceptable. > Your engine, your choice :-) I disagree with your assessment and wanted > to pass on my opinion and experience to the person who posted the original > question. roger that. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:17:27 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:35:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > > With knock sensors, the event has already happened. There is generally > > an attack and decay, where the knock event occurs, the computer pulls some > > timing (attack) and then will slowly add that timing back in (decay) until > > it's back to full timing or it senses knock again. > > knock sensors are triggering all the time as the computer is perpetually > trying to advance the timing until it knocks. By "all the time" I mean > "really often". In my tuning experience with EFI Suzukis and many types of GM ECMs, that is not correct. You may have some tuning experience with other types of ECMs where that occurs, but I do not know of any. There is a hard limit of advance programmed in for a given set of parameters (TPS, coolant temp, MAF, etc). The computer advances timing to that number. It doesn't keep moving it until it experiences knock. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:17:52 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:17:42 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Skip wrote: > knock sensors are triggering all the time as the computer is perpetually > trying to advance the timing until it knocks. By "all the time" I mean > "really often". The ignition will only advance to a fixed point - the one the factory set for that motor with the recommended octane fuel - it doesn't keep advancing to infinity to find out if you're running 100 octane unleaded race gas and throw in 5 degrees extra for it. > the manufacturers have > decided that having the knock event occur is acceptable. *Based on the assumption that you are using the fuel they tell you to*. It's there as a guard against "bad" fuel that for some reason doesn't have the stated octane. In that sense, they're good things. However, it wasn't put there to let you throw 87 octane in a car that requires 93. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:18:07 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Just to toss some more fuel to the fire... Why does the ST require premium when the similar displacement Hayabusa motor makes more power on cheaper fuel? Dan <-hater of vehicles that require premium. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:31:02 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:30:47 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > > > > With knock sensors, the event has already happened. There is generally > > > an attack and decay, where the knock event occurs, the computer pulls some > > > timing (attack) and then will slowly add that timing back in (decay) until > > > it's back to full timing or it senses knock again. > > > > knock sensors are triggering all the time as the computer is perpetually > > trying to advance the timing until it knocks. By "all the time" I mean > > "really often". > > In my tuning experience with EFI Suzukis and many types of GM ECMs, that > is not correct. You may have some tuning experience with other types of > ECMs where that occurs, but I do not know of any. There is a hard limit > of advance programmed in for a given set of parameters (TPS, coolant temp, > MAF, etc). The computer advances timing to that number. It doesn't keep > moving it until it experiences knock. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I yield. I havetn' experienced the things that you have that have led you to your beliefs. run premium in your hyundai. it's better. :~) --skip. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:37:43 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > I yield. > > I havetn' experienced the things that you have that have led you to your > beliefs. You're stating what you claim are facts (regarding ECM code and detonation), I'm asking for clarification and you post a smart ass response. Obviously you don't have any facts or experience to back up your statements. > run premium in your hyundai. it's better. If I were unfortunate enough to drive a Hyundai, I would run whatever the manufacturer recommends. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:43:41 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:43:37 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Benefit bike show Found online : The Yellow Jacket Motorcycle Club will host a benefit bike show Oct. 17. Registration fee is $15 and will take place from 9 to 11 a.m. in the parking lot across from Philadelphia Tavern, 9413 Main St., Manassas. Top bikes will receive awards for their classes and there is a class for every bike, American and metric. A portion of the proceeds will benefit the Prince William/Fauquier Cancer Center. There will also be a live band and vendors. The public is welcome. The rain date is Oct. 31. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:45:09 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:02:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, dan wrote: > Just to toss some more fuel to the fire... Why does the ST require premium > when the similar displacement Hayabusa motor makes more power on cheaper > fuel? > > Dan <-hater of vehicles that require premium. Engine design. Maybe those of us riding Hayabusas don't mind cams with a bit more overlap and lift, which causes a rough idle. I'm sure the ST is a lot smoother, which was probably more of a priority than all out power. Emissions is probably another area where Honda may have spent more time than the designers of the Hayabusa motor. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:46:59 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:46:45 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > > > I yield. > > > > I havetn' experienced the things that you have that have led you to your > > beliefs. > > You're stating what you claim are facts (regarding ECM code and > detonation), I'm asking for clarification and you post a smart ass > response. Obviously you don't have any facts or experience to back up > your statements. I am stating that from my experience as a mechanic at Saturn, Mazda, and Chevy dealerships, I have not seen the problems that you describe. that is the experience that I make my claim from. I just re-read all of my mail on this thread, and I do not see any smart-assed comments. your experiences have been different. from my understanding of what you wrote, you have had regular and racing motors blow up because of detonation. I, too, have seen engines with holes in the pistons from detonation. In those cases, running 100LL with octane booster woulnd't have prevented the occurrance. > > run premium in your hyundai. it's better. > > If I were unfortunate enough to drive a Hyundai, I would run whatever the > manufacturer recommends. :-) as well you should, sir. as well you should. :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:48:05 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: DC Cycles What about running a higer octane than your engine requires? Is this simply buring money? I read somewhere that the higher greade fuels are often cleaner (more detergents?) than 87 so they are safer to use? Nowadays with higher gas prices I do not do this anymore. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 10:55:51 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:13:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Mark Kitchell wrote: > What about running a higer octane than your engine > requires? Is this simply buring money? I read > somewhere that the higher greade fuels are often > cleaner (more detergents?) than 87 so they are safer > to use? Like changing your oil every 3k miles, it's a waste of money. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 11:03:47 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Premium Fuel discounts Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:03:37 -0400 Less horse power since lower octane is more explosive. Octane is the resistance to ignition. I was told that all grades had the same detergents but I wouldn't be surprised if this varied by where it gets produced. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:48 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts What about running a higer octane than your engine requires? Is this simply buring money? I read somewhere that the higher greade fuels are often cleaner (more detergents?) than 87 so they are safer to use? Nowadays with higher gas prices I do not do this anymore. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 11:14:19 2004 Subject: RE: Premium Fuel discounts Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:14:13 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Jim McGonigle" , "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" > What about running a higer octane than your engine requires? > From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] > Less horse power since lower octane is more explosive. > Octane is the resistance to ignition. I was told that all > grades had the same detergents but I wouldn't be surprised if > this varied by where it gets produced. Let me make sure I'm reading this right... Are you saying that lower octane fuel provides more ponies and higher octane provides less because it's harder to burn? I think you just confused the h3ll out of me. --smthng 'Runs 89 in everything. Even the lawnmower doesn't complain. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 11:17:34 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Jonathan W. Kalmes'" , "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Premium Fuel discounts Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:17:25 -0400 It's the truth. The reason that high horsepower engines use higher octane is because they run high compression rations and more timing (which more than makes up for the loss of horse power from the gas). Its very minimal, but in two identical engines the lower octane will get more hp. In fact, when I raced my RX7 (spec class) in the SCCA, we'd go looking for shitty (low octane) gas. In those low hp cars it was measurable. :) -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 11:14 AM To: Jim McGonigle; Mark Kitchell; DC Cycles Subject: RE: Premium Fuel discounts > What about running a higer octane than your engine requires? > From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Less horse power > since lower octane is more explosive. > Octane is the resistance to ignition. I was told that all grades had > the same detergents but I wouldn't be surprised if this varied by > where it gets produced. Let me make sure I'm reading this right... Are you saying that lower octane fuel provides more ponies and higher octane provides less because it's harder to burn? I think you just confused the h3ll out of me. --smthng 'Runs 89 in everything. Even the lawnmower doesn't complain. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 11:23:15 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:23:04 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Jim McGonigle CC: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Jim McGonigle wrote: > Less horse power since lower octane is more explosive. Octane is the > resistance to ignition. I was told that all grades had the same detergents > but I wouldn't be surprised if this varied by where it gets produced. Octane resists *pre-ignition*. Combustion via compression (heat) vs. spark. They aren't harder to burn or less explosive. Higher octane fuel will not make less horsepower ... it's just a waste of money if your motor doesn't have enough compression to cause a lower octane fuel to ignite before the spark plug tells it to. The whole "detergent" thing is just a marketing ploy - gas stations make more money on premium gas. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 11:30:55 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Brian Roach'" Cc: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Premium Fuel discounts Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:30:45 -0400 Yes, but it also ignites at a quicker rate which can change the amount of power produced. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 11:23 AM To: Jim McGonigle Cc: 'Mark Kitchell'; 'DC Cycles' Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts Jim McGonigle wrote: > Less horse power since lower octane is more explosive. Octane is the > resistance to ignition. I was told that all grades had the same > detergents but I wouldn't be surprised if this varied by where it gets produced. Octane resists *pre-ignition*. Combustion via compression (heat) vs. spark. They aren't harder to burn or less explosive. Higher octane fuel will not make less horsepower ... it's just a waste of money if your motor doesn't have enough compression to cause a lower octane fuel to ignite before the spark plug tells it to. The whole "detergent" thing is just a marketing ploy - gas stations make more money on premium gas. - Roach -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 12:48:59 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:48:50 EDT Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/4/2004 11:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > you will not, > however, see 'peak performance'. Octane has nothing directly to do with performance. It is a measure of resistance to detonation (pinging) and in some cases may have a lower net energy output then regular. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 12:59:59 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:59:47 EDT Subject: Re: Plastic tanks and seat design (was: Re: Need help with PA DMV ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/4/2004 3:56:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smthngelse@XXXXXX writes: > Wasn't the V-Max the "original" starter of the gas under the seat? Honda GL1000 was the first I am aware of. All of the GL's have under the seat tanks as do the ST1100's (mine) The only under the seat fill I am aware of is the V-Max and that simply requires flipping up a section of the seat, no real problem at all. The rest have a flip up cover just in front of the seat with a fill neck that carries the fuel down under the seat. Hardly any difference if fillling at all, and putting all that weight down low helps with handling (a lot.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 13:05:57 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'SabMag'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'SbZimBob'" , "'skip@XXXXXX'" Subject: Heli-bars Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:09:13 -0400 I just called Heli bars. Chill. The recall is only on recent "investment castings" manufactured between January 04 to September 04. So, those of us with more venerable bars can rest easy. [] Carl (recalling that Steve bought the bike with Helibars) Custer Thanks for cross-posting Skip. DCCycles always come through. Dunno what it is about our server occasionally dumping the SabMag digest. Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:08:02 -0400 From: Skip Subject: [Fwd: [SABMAG] Heli-bars] from another list, but might affect someone here... WARNING: RECALL NOTICE There has been a major recall notice from Heli Bar Corporation. The following Heli Bars have been recalled: HB9401/11 Honda ST1100 (91-02) HB9701 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (97-04) HB9901 Kawasaki Concourse (86-04) HB9909 Kawasaki ZX11 (90-02) HB2012 Kawasaki ZX1200 (02-04) HB9908/09 Triumph Sprint ST (99-04) The Heli Bars on these models can crack and cause loss of control. If you have purchased one of these products from us, please contact us at: 800-889-5550. If your product was purchased from another dealer, call Heli at: 800-859-4642. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 13:15:45 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: rim savers? Anyone have a link to where I can find some rimsavers. The rim protectors that came with my tire-qwik have seen better days, time to upgrade! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 13:24:58 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:24:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rim savers? -----Original Message----- From: dan Anyone have a link to where I can find some rimsavers. The rim protectors that came with my tire-qwik have seen better days, time to upgrade! Dan ---- Raid your kitchen or laundry room. Cut up milk jugs and deterent bottles work great. I have the Tire-Qwik protectors too, but two provided are not nearly enough. When I have a helper, three irons work best. "Many hands make light work." Old inner tubes are too soft, in my experience, and the tire irons eat right through 'em. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 13:32:27 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:32:13 EDT Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/5/2004 11:04:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX writes: > Less horse power since lower octane is more explosive. For the purposes of discussing internal combustion engines, fuel does _NOT_ explode! It burns. Power is not produced by some sort of BANG but by the fuel burning and heating the air in the combustion chamber causing it to expand (just like anything else being heated.) Pressure in the chamber goes from about 100psi.+- to about 800psi +-. and it is that increase in pressure that pushes the piston down. Octane measures a resistance to _ignition_ or pre-ignition/detonation that causes the pressure wave to hit the piston while it is still on its way up. A bad thing. But once the fuel starts to burn it burns at about the same speed/energy. Any reduction in energy from high octane gas is the result of there being less fuel and more shituff that is not fuel per gallon. (Example: Alcohol is still used to boost octane in some places (they do not have to tell us) and gallon to gallon there is _less_ energy in alcohol then gasoline, so less energy per gallon. (Yes, yes, alcohol is used in race engines to produce lots of power, but it does it by putting _Lots_ more alcohol in the mix.)) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 13:38:34 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:38:22 EDT Subject: Re: 205 mph moped. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2004 11:51:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > I may have to try and determine the terminal velocity of a moped. I'm > sure it's less than 300, Well that depends on air resistance, take the damn thing high enough so that the air is thin and it will damn well fall at 300+ Take it into space and it could fall at many multiple thousand miles an hour. Boy would that baby burn on re-entry #:-) "They will all go 300 over a cliff" is just my flip response to people bragging about how fast they can go and is in no way based of fact or testing of any kind. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 13:38:56 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Premium Fuel discounts Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:38:45 -0400 Ok, so its not octane but the composition of the gas. Same thing... Slightly more power. -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts In a message dated 10/5/2004 11:04:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX writes: > Less horse power since lower octane is more explosive. For the purposes of discussing internal combustion engines, fuel does _NOT_ explode! It burns. Power is not produced by some sort of BANG but by the fuel burning and heating the air in the combustion chamber causing it to expand (just like anything else being heated.) Pressure in the chamber goes from about 100psi.+- to about 800psi +-. and it is that increase in pressure that pushes the piston down. Octane measures a resistance to _ignition_ or pre-ignition/detonation that causes the pressure wave to hit the piston while it is still on its way up. A bad thing. But once the fuel starts to burn it burns at about the same speed/energy. Any reduction in energy from high octane gas is the result of there being less fuel and more shituff that is not fuel per gallon. (Example: Alcohol is still used to boost octane in some places (they do not have to tell us) and gallon to gallon there is _less_ energy in alcohol then gasoline, so less energy per gallon. (Yes, yes, alcohol is used in race engines to produce lots of power, but it does it by putting _Lots_ more alcohol in the mix.)) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 13:39:28 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'jkalmes@XXXXXX'" Subject: RAM mount Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:42:40 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" [JK]: The RAM mount rocks! [Carl]: Yes it does. I'm a parsimonious olde phart but after reading testimonies from a few competent folks, I sprung for the Ram mount. It's an excellent value. [Jk]: The U-bolt is ugly, but functional. [Carl]: Yup. For the 'Ceptor (with no round bar) I cobbled a mount from 1/4 inch alloy bar stock. It fits on the brake reservoir's two bolts. I removed the two bolts holding the brake reservoir, place the bracket on the bar stock, marked the hole spacing on the bar stock, and drilled matching holes. To bend the bar stock, I fastened it between two bricks --bar or pipe clamps are nice- and heated the bar stock with a propane torch. Holding the other end of the bar with vice grips, I put pressure on the bar until it bent easily. After cooling, I sawed the bar to the desired length then drilled and tapped a hole for the Ram Mount ball (1/4 by something IIRC). Several minutes on a belt sander with 36/50/120 grit rounded the ugly corners off and put a grove in the bar to clear the bump in the brake reservoir bracket. [] Rustoleum primer and flat black made it look professional. [] The original mounting bolts were now too short. A visit to the local hardware store yielded 6mm X 40 mm allen head bolts that I cut to 35 mm. [] I like it so much, I'm making mounts for the Sabre and the ST. JK asked, " How much of a pain is that having the gas under the seat? I would imagine it's designed fairly well, but every scoot I've been on has always been easier to pop the gas cap than popping the seat." [Carl]: Piece of cake. The ST has a door in the hind end of the "tank" where the gas cap hides. [JK]: 'Fills up the old fashioned way... by spilling it all over paint. [Carl]: Yup did that on the ST Sunday. There ain't no such thing as "Fool Proof" only "Fool Resistant" TANSTAFPOR? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 13:47:26 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:47:01 EDT Subject: Re: Heli-bars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/5/2004 1:06:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > I just called Heli bars. > Chill. Ahhhhh...... Thanks John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 14:49:52 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:41:22 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts At 10:35 AM 10/5/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: >> knock sensors are triggering all the time as the computer is perpetually >> trying to advance the timing until it knocks. By "all the time" I mean >> "really often". > >In my tuning experience with EFI Suzukis and many types of GM ECMs, that >is not correct. You may have some tuning experience with other types of >ECMs where that occurs, but I do not know of any. There is a hard limit >of advance programmed in for a given set of parameters (TPS, coolant temp, >MAF, etc). The computer advances timing to that number. It doesn't keep >moving it until it experiences knock. Tech question: why are timing advance and knock linked? My understanding is that "knock" is also called "detonation", and it's the uncontrolled ignition of the fuel-air mixture in the cylinder. I.e. it's not caused by the spark plug, but by something else...usually compression heating, or perhaps a bit of hot carbon in the combustion chamber or a really hot bit of metal on the piston or head (perhaps from running too lean?). The compression heating thing is why you need proper octane gas. The lower the octane rating, the more volatile the gas, and the more likely it is to get lit off by the heat from the compression or other causes than the spark. You hear the "knock" because the piston isn't in the proper place for the ignition to occur, so instead of a power stroke, you get the piston slamming the rod into the crank bearings. Kind of like coming down on a locked leg, rather than one with its knee bent. (ouch...). I suppose if you had the spark go off far enough before the top of the compression stroke you'd get knock...is that how they are linked? The term "timing advance" has always been a bit of a mystery. Always seemed like there should be a perfect time to set it off to drive the piston down, so why alter it? Any enlightenment will be happily accepted! -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 15:00:44 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:00:34 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: RAM mount At 01:42 PM 10/5/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > >[JK]: The RAM mount rocks! >[Carl]: Yes it does. I'm a parsimonious olde phart but after reading >testimonies from a few competent folks, I sprung for the Ram mount. It's an >excellent value. Me too. Agree completely. Great products. Only complaint is that their handlebar mount is *ugly* (the U-bolt and black bracket thing). On the other hand, Tourtech makes a very pretty chrome clamp that holds the RAM ball just fine. Been using it for almost a year now, and no complaints at all. I believe cycoactive.com sells the Tourtech clamp and a Ramball-on-a-stud as "GCLMP1" or something like that. Picture here: http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_870.jpg The "grahex" Ram Ball goes on the end of the included stud: http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/gCLMP1_grahex.jpg >[Carl]: Yup. For the 'Ceptor (with no round bar) I cobbled a mount from 1/4 >and tapped a hole for the Ram Mount ball (1/4 by something IIRC). I believe it's 1/4-20. Really common size that most tap and die sets include (unless they are metric maybe ;-). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 15:34:50 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:34:33 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MB: >I suppose if you had the spark go off far enough before the >top of the compression stroke you'd get knock...is that how >they are linked? The term "timing advance" has always been >a bit of a mystery. Always seemed like there should be a >perfect time to set it off to drive the piston down, so >why alter it? [Dave] The spark plug adds the final 1/3 of the ingredients necessary for a fire; spark. The spark ignites the air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber by setting off a chemical reaction. This reaction takes time, albeit not perceptable to us. Because this 'reaction' takes a small, and variable amount of time, you want the reaction to start at such a time before top dead center (the top of the compression stroke) so as to actually ignite and push the piston down the very instant it clears top dead center. Knock, 'dieseling', pre-ignition and detonation refer to the same basic thing, pre-ignition is probably the most accurate, whereas the others are more 'descriptive' of the symptom. When that chemical reaction takes place a hair too early, the ignition of the mixture actually produced peak force while the piston is still on the upward stroke. When this happens, an incredible amount of stress is put on the motor, but especially the combustion chamber "principals", and Mr. Piston seems to take the brunt of it. The spinning motor is carrying quite a bit of energy and momentum, and the pre- ignition actually starts fighting against that energy and something has to give eventually. Remember, Mr. Piston is our friend just like Mr. Atom. You don't want to pre-ignite the mixture on Mr. Piston, and you don't want to split Mr. Atom... HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 18:25:24 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:43:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > an incredible amount of stress is put on the motor, but > especially the combustion chamber "principals", and Mr. > Piston seems to take the brunt of it. The spinning motor is > carrying quite a bit of energy and momentum, and the pre- > ignition actually starts fighting against that energy and > something has to give eventually. > > Remember, Mr. Piston is our friend just like Mr. Atom. > You don't want to pre-ignite the mixture on Mr. Piston, and > you don't want to split Mr. Atom... Great explanation, Dave. Don't forget the rod and bearings are taking a beating in that exchange, too. All of that mass moving upwards is trying to be stopped by the charge lighting off at the wrong time. Many a rebuild has been started that way ;-) ;-) WRT the question about timing being locked, it isn't. Optimum timing at 2500 rpm isn't the same as optimum at 7000 rpm or 15,000 rpm. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 20:57:43 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Pretty interesting discussion on fuels and octane today. It was an education,.. thanks Wayne, Roach and Penguin et al. I seized on the following pithy remark from Mr McGonigle though: "Its very minimal, but in two identical engines the lower octane will get more hp. In fact, when I raced my RX7 (spec class) in the SCCA, we'd go looking for shitty (low octane) gas. In those low hp cars it was measurable. :)" ======= For my Ducati 900SS, others (on Duc lists, maybe even in Oz) actually bothered to dyno the difference, so I believe this is true. With barely 82 ponies, believe me, I want all I can get, even if it is minimal! :) Unless your bike calls for it, don't waste your money on preemo. I will change my dyno-oil at ~3K though, Wayne ;) But the filter stays until ~6K. I don't like my sight-window opaque, what can I say..? :) JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 22:06:40 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:06:25 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/5/2004 8:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mr_vfr@XXXXXX writes: > I don't like my sight-window opaque, what can I say..? :) Did ya know that some Honda's had a little "windshield" wiper on the sight glass? There was a screw slot on it that passed through the sight glass, you put a screwdriver in the slot and turned the wiper back and forth to clean it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 22:27:47 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:45:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Oil, ha! :-) On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, John Kozyn wrote: > I will change my dyno-oil at ~3K though, Wayne ;) But the filter stays > until ~6K. I don't like my sight-window opaque, what can I say..? :) And me, I'd do the complete opposite. The filter catches all the dirt and gunk from your engine, keeping the oil clean. Change the filter every 3k and the oil every . Try using http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free_test_kit.html after one of your changes. I'm sure you'll be surprised at the results. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 23:02:09 2004 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/04 From: lister lynch To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:02:01 -0400 Get out. What models? Mike - highly intrigued On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 22:06, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/5/2004 8:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mr_vfr@XXXXXX writes: > > > I don't like my sight-window opaque, what can I say..? :) > > Did ya know that some Honda's had a little "windshield" wiper on the sight > glass? There was a screw slot on it that passed through the sight glass, you put > a screwdriver in the slot and turned the wiper back and forth to clean it. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 23:13:14 2004 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:13:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: SS Spam To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, No, SS does not signify SuperSport, as in my beloved Desmodue Ducati. In this instance it signifies "self-serving" ;) I just wanted to alert some of you that I have recently become a licensed Realtor w/ Coldwell Banker here in the Commonwealth, and I also figure someone, somewhere here in VA, is looking to change their domicile, so maybe this is a fortuitous post for them. If you're looking to move and buy a new/different residence (or sell your current one) I'd appreciate it if you kept me in mind as your agent, especially if you don't have someone you're tight with. The former situation means my services are free. The latter does not. Those of you who know me well know that I'm a man of my word. I actually work with a team, so DC-Denizens may also take advantage of my offer. Marylanders may have to wait a couple months though. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming :) JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F ____________________________________ John C. Kozyn Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage 607 S. Washington Street Alexandria, VA 22314 703.212.8000 (o) 703.212.0730 (f) 202.288.6026 (c) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 5 23:34:19 2004 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:31:11 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts At 06:43 PM 10/5/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >WRT the question about timing being locked, it isn't. Optimum timing at >2500 rpm isn't the same as optimum at 7000 rpm or 15,000 rpm. I got an off-list message about that. I understand now. Burn rate is fairly constant, but as RPMs go up the time available goes down, so you have to light it sooner. Hence, advance of timing. Thanks everyone who responded for the explanations and info. Cleared up several fuzzy holes in my understanding of how these things work! -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 07:09:31 2004 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 04:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sometimes it can cause problems too. Here is a Dodge TSB for people that have been running higher then what is needed: http://dodgeram.info/tsb/1997/14-08-97.htm Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > What about running a higer octane than your engine > requires? Is this simply buring money? I read > somewhere that the higher greade fuels are often > cleaner (more detergents?) than 87 so they are safer > to use? > > Nowadays with higher gas prices I do not do this > anymore. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 08:22:50 2004 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:22:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Premium Fuel discounts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX GD reports: > >Sometimes it can cause problems too. ... >http://dodgeram.info/tsb/1997/14-08-97.htm [Dave] The phrase "light knock or pinging" is ok has never really made sense to me, given the consequences of the not so light pining... I've seen it in tow sections of lots of vehicles. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 10:55:31 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Thursday night Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:56:34 -0400 http://www.digitalz.com/coffee.html be sure to have license and registration ready to present. Cops pulled over just about every biker to check for it last week. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 11:40:47 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:40:30 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en In a message dated 10/5/2004 11:02:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lister@XXXXXX writes: > Get out. What models? > > Mike - highly intrigued Oh lord, now I have to rely on memory. For sure the Honda GL1000)B’s and I believe the 11 and 1200)B’s also. And I think some of the Magna and other V-4’s. No doubt others, but memory fails. If you look at the sight glass you will see a black "dot" with a screw slot in the middle of it , that is one. Insert a small screwdriver in the slot and turn it to see the wiper itself clean the glass. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 12:44:18 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Shigeru Honda'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Thursday night Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:44:00 -0400 I was there but didn't get hemmed up by the cops though. Some dummy was getting pulled over in a sport bike and turned into the lot and busted a u-turn and took off! That really pissed off the cops and there where about 12 cops state and local just south of B&N and 7-10 (so I was told)on the north bound lanes of 355 and then some where on Montrose Rd also. LEO told some dude to put his helmet on and sit on his bike I guess he fit the description. Well this guy and his buddy decided have a heated discussion. The only folks who got tickets or pulled over had bent tags etc. I did here they gave a ticket for exhaust too. Kind of amusing but I here all the squids are going to College Park so Starbucks should be rather calm. I'll be there at Starbucks as usual. Btw, I noticed the Motard crew is getting bigger. -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:57 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Thursday night http://www.digitalz.com/coffee.html be sure to have license and registration ready to present. Cops pulled over just about every biker to check for it last week. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 14:07:37 2004 Subject: RE: Thursday night Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:07:20 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , "Shigeru Honda" , "DC-Cycles" Despite bartending that night, I try to get away for an hour around eight to check it out. I found it dead compared to the week before, managed to chat to a few nice folks and did see Johnny Law pull up. He was nice to me when I approached him and basically said everyone is tired of the fatalities that have occurred. MD has to deal with a rash of recent teen auto accidents. Last night was C-O-L-D. My moto got me to my work garage safe and sound despite a fox that decided to take an attack run into the jersey wall on Canal road. Unlike forest rats, Mr. Fox changed his mind, pulled a U-turn and disappeared into the greenery. Of course, my car didn't start so I rode my bike home. -----Original Message----- From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:44 PM To: 'Shigeru Honda'; DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Thursday night I was there but didn't get hemmed up by the cops though. Some dummy was getting pulled over in a sport bike and turned into the lot and busted a u-turn and took off! That really pissed off the cops and there where about 12 cops state and local just south of B&N and 7-10 (so I was told)on the north bound lanes of 355 and then some where on Montrose Rd also. LEO told some dude to put his helmet on and sit on his bike I guess he fit the description. Well this guy and his buddy decided have a heated discussion. The only folks who got tickets or pulled over had bent tags etc. I did here they gave a ticket for exhaust too. Kind of amusing but I here all the squids are going to College Park so Starbucks should be rather calm. I'll be there at Starbucks as usual. Btw, I noticed the Motard crew is getting bigger. -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:57 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Thursday night http://www.digitalz.com/coffee.html be sure to have license and registration ready to present. Cops pulled over just about every biker to check for it last week. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 18:05:15 2004 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:10:16 -0400 Subject: Where to buy sprockets? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Hi...neither my usual distributors, nor Sprocket Specialists, Dennis Kirk, or MAW seem to have a rear 525 steel sprocket for a Suzuki SV650. Any recommended sources? Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 18:24:39 2004 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Where to buy sprockets? On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, garcia oliver wrote: > Hi...neither my usual distributors, nor Sprocket Specialists, Dennis Kirk, > or MAW seem to have a rear 525 steel sprocket for a Suzuki SV650. Any > recommended sources? JOE A&J Performance 1(908) 289 2000 Joe@XXXXXX www.A-JPerformance.com Paypal is: Sales@XXXXXX I bought my last sprocket there, great service and prices. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 19:54:23 2004 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/06/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:06:25 EDT > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/04 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 10/5/2004 8:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mr_vfr@XXXXXX writes: > > > I don't like my sight-window opaque, what can I say..? :) > > Did ya know that some Honda's had a little "windshield" wiper on the > sight > glass? There was a screw slot on it that passed through the sight > glass, you put > a screwdriver in the slot and turned the wiper back and forth to > clean it. That is pretty interesting, I never knew that. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F From: Wayne Edelen > To: > Subject: Oil, ha! :-) > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, John Kozyn wrote: > > > I will change my dyno-oil at ~3K though, Wayne ;) But the filter > stays > > until ~6K. I don't like my sight-window opaque, what can I say..? > :) > > And me, I'd do the complete opposite. The filter catches all the > dirt and > gunk from your engine, keeping the oil clean. Change the filter > every 3k > and the oil every . > > Try using http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free_test_kit.html after one > of > your changes. I'm sure you'll be surprised at the results. Thanks Wayne, I did send away for it. My curiosity is piqued. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 20:08:24 2004 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:07:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SS Spam To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- John Kozyn wrote: > Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, > > No, SS does not signify SuperSport, as in my beloved > Desmodue Ducati. > In this instance it signifies "self-serving" ;) > > I just wanted to alert some of you that I have recently > become a > licensed Realtor w/ Coldwell Banker here in the > Commonwealth, and I > also figure someone, somewhere here in VA, is looking to > change their > domicile, so maybe this is a fortuitous post for them. > > If you're looking to move and buy a new/different > residence (or sell > your current one) I'd appreciate it if you kept me in > mind as your > agent, especially if you don't have someone you're tight > with. The > former situation means my services are free. The latter > does not. you lost me.... when are your services free? what does the rest of your team think of this?!?! > Those of you who know me well know that I'm a man of my > word. i can attest to jk's honorability. he'll do you right in your home sale/purchase. > I actually work with a team, so DC-Denizens may also take > advantage of > my offer. Marylanders may have to wait a couple months > though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 20:34:29 2004 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: SS Spam To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > you lost me.... when are your services free? what does > the rest of your team think of this?!?! When I'm the buyer's agent. It's the seller with whom an agent negotiates the brokers' commission. > > Those of you who know me well know that I'm a man of my > > word. > > i can attest to jk's honorability. he'll do you right in > your home sale/purchase. Hey, thanks a lot, Tom. :) JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 22:10:35 2004 From: "Dennis Sherrill" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/04 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:08:28 -0400 > Get out. What models? > > Mike - highly intrigued > Oh lord, now I have to rely on memory. For sure the Honda GL1000â)Bâ‚$)B¬â)B„¢s and I > believe the 11 and 1200â)Bâ‚$)B¬â)B„¢s also. And I think some of the Magna and other V-4$)Bâ)Bâ‚$)B¬â)B„¢s. No > doubt others, but memory fails. > If you look at the sight glass you will see a black "dot" with a screw slot > in the middle of it , that is one. Insert a small screwdriver in the slot and > turn it to see the wiper itself clean the glass. John has a good memory. I used to own an '82 V45 Magna and it did have the sight glass wiper. It was very convenient. - Denny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 6 22:30:43 2004 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SS Spam To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- John Kozyn wrote: > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > you lost me.... when are your services free? what > does > > the rest of your team think of this?!?! > > When I'm the buyer's agent. It's the seller with whom an > agent > negotiates the brokers' commission. shit, jk, you think i don't know that? by your comment i was assuming that i'd see a 3% agent credit on some upcoming HUDs. NOT! (btw, zipp realty kicks back 1%, which i think is a very cool deal). > > > Those of you who know me well know that I'm a man of > my > > > word. > > > > i can attest to jk's honorability. he'll do you right > in > > your home sale/purchase. > > Hey, thanks a lot, Tom. :) ain't nuthin but the truth.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 08:05:58 2004 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: SS Spam To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > shit, jk, you think i don't know that? by your comment i > was assuming that i'd see a 3% agent credit on some > upcoming HUDs. NOT! (btw, zipp realty kicks back 1%, > which i think is a very cool deal). lol - nah, I don't think that'll happen, Tom. Yeah, I'm looking at ZR now, and it does seem that they and other discount brokers are capturing a larger share of the market. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 08:32:50 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:32:27 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/6/2004 10:10:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, denniss@XXXXXX writes: > John has a good memory. My wife would take exception to that statement! I for one do not remember if my memory is good or not, it does however contain lots of useless information. Seymour the elephant, in a "George Of The Jungle" cartoon. "97, 98, 99, 100. See that coconut tree? It has 100 coconuts on it. _That_ is useless information. See that tree over there? It has 200 coconuts. That information is twice as useless." That is how I feel much of the time. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 10:04:05 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Oil: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:07:16 -0400 Oil sight glass wiper: John Wussed, "Oh lord, now I have to rely on memory. " The '83 and IIRC the '83 Honda V45's had the sight glass wiper. The '84 and newer went back to the stick. My '96 ST1100 has a sight glass, no stick, no wiper. (Did I tell you about my new to me . . .?) Wayne Enticed: "Like changing your oil every 3k miles, it's a waste of money. :-)" [Carl]: Arrgh, I regretfully started an oil thread on SabMag. =8^O I think the following sites should stop any oil threads: Read 'em and make yer own choices. Oil in general: has some pretty good sites discussing oil, oil chemistry and such for motorcyclists. Type "oil into the search window. I particularly liked: Mike Guillory's But, say, any body know where the best price for _______ is 8^> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 10:40:45 2004 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:40:30 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing Is this a weekly event? What time? Thanks Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 11:04:26 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Michael Jordan" , Subject: Re: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:04:15 -0400 pretty much weekly, nobody's organizing it. lot of squids... but they're moving out? time is like 6pm-11pm(?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing > Is this a weekly event? > > What time? > > Thanks > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 11:27:39 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SS Spam Content-ID: <19078.1097162818.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:26:58 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >I just wanted to alert some of you that I have recently become a >licensed Realtor... The dc-cycles list doesn't accept advertising, so while I appreciate your attempt at becoming a paid sponsor of the list, you failed to mention payment of your advertising fee. Feel free to write out 300 small checks, and we can arrange to distribute them to the list members. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 11:56:59 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Shigeru Honda'" , Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:56:48 -0400 It'll be nice without the squids hitting the rev limiter every chance they get. Maybe it'll be too cold for t-shirts and shorts. -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:04 AM To: Michael Jordan; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing pretty much weekly, nobody's organizing it. lot of squids... but they're moving out? time is like 6pm-11pm(?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing > Is this a weekly event? > > What time? > > Thanks > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 13:11:01 2004 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: AMA Superbike and AMA Supermoto in Danville, VA... To: DC Cycles Anybody going to the AMA races in Danville, VA this weekend at VIR and South Boston Speedway? Weather looks great, tough part is finding a hotel. I'm riding up with one of my buddies but was curious if anyone else was going to be taking in this double feature...the tracks are like 25 miles from each other. -Corbett ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 14:53:53 2004 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:53:26 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: AMA Superbike and AMA Supermoto in Danville, VA... Corbett - Just as an FYI, it's not that bad if you take the *back* way in and out of VIR from rt58 instead of going all the way West toward Danville and through Milton, NC. When you leave VIR, you make a left out of the main gate, follow it until it ends, make another left ... and it takes you right out to Rt58 much further toward S. Boston. - Roach Corbett B wrote: > Anybody going to the AMA races in Danville, VA this > weekend at VIR and South Boston Speedway? Weather > looks great, tough part is finding a hotel. > > I'm riding up with one of my buddies but was curious > if anyone else was going to be taking in this double > feature...the tracks are like 25 miles from each > other. -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 16:08:45 2004 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:08:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Last Sunday on the bike (was: RE: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing) At 11:56 AM 10/7/04 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >It'll be nice without the squids hitting the rev limiter every chance they >get. Maybe it'll be too cold for t-shirts and shorts. Didn't see many sportbikes at all last Sunday afternoon on the local roads...where were you all? Lots of Harleys (about 2/3 of all the bikes seen) and a fair number of what I think were BMWs, though I'm no expert on them and some may have been other makes but we're talking tour bikes and smaller vertical riding position things (close to Leesburg, probably some Triumphs and other Brit bikes...saw a Norton for instance), but only 2 or 3 sportbikes with riders all scrunched up in the typical racer riding position. Too cold or something? There are usually a lot more out than that. MC-HOGs ran a parking lot practice in the morning. A couple of hours of slow ride, cone weave, swerve, figure-8s (with cross-traffic...), stops in turns, turns from stop (with and without stops in the turn), and maximum braking stops. Very worthwhile, and highly recommended for all. I'd gotten Jerry Palladino's DVD on slow riding a week earlier, and wanted to practice the "friction zone" and dragging the rear brake for control ideas anyway. Got lots of that, and it does help with low speed control. Was doing half-sized (from the MSF layout) figure-8s without any problems at all...other than dragging hard parts once or twice. Nobody dropped their bike, not even the newer riders. We used tennis balls cut in half for "cones", and they worked just fine. After the parking lot stuff a few of us decided to go check out the British Bike Show north of Leesburg. Four bikes (two with passengers) and an SUV (with driver and dog) headed out via Point of Rocks for a really nice ride. We looked over the bikes in the parking area, but it was too nice a day not to be on the road, so we didn't really go into the show. My passenger asked me what I was thinking as we left the paved road to cross a bit of gravel going into the pasture where the bike show parking was located...she's learning to ride and very interested in how others approach it. I really didn't know at first...most things are becoming automatic now. All I could remember was that I wanted to hit the slight dropoff (3-4") at close to a 90 degree angle, not do anything radical while on the gravel, and keep the speed low on the grass, since I couldn't tell where the dips were and the bike was loaded pretty close to max with the two of us on it (mostly from me...). I wasn't thinking at all about throttle, brakes, or shifting in particular. Had no problems at all with handling...just had to remember it was a big cruiser, not an enduro. ;-) We started to head back up 15 to Frederick, but the traffic was a bear, so we turned around (the morning's practice helped with the U-turn on a side street...no feet down, and no problems making it around in the narrow street width...nice to find a practical application so soon) and headed down to 7, to 193 (fun between Great Falls and the beltway), over the Legion Bridge and up Seven Locks to Montrose to get to the Hooter's bike show on 355. A few of the HOG members had bikes in the show, and a couple won trophies...one was for a home-built chopper (red and chrome, very pretty). Finished the day up with an impromptu group dinner at the Finger and Claw. Anyone who didn't go for a ride missed a really nice day. If you aren't already familiar with the "friction zone" and other slow speed techniques, Jerry "motorman" Palladino's video might be worth a look. I'm expecting to do much better next time I take the ERC. (I passed last time, but not with a perfect score...next time? ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 18:39:17 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Last Sunday on the bike (was: RE: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:40:12 -0400 I was at a wedding in the Adirondacks Mnts. I saw a ton of cruisers and only one pack of like 12 sport bikes. Great day for riding too bad I was stuck in my truck driving to a wedding. RT 28 is a lot of fun even in a car. Rob On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:08:25 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote > At 11:56 AM 10/7/04 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > >It'll be nice without the squids hitting the rev limiter every chance they > >get. Maybe it'll be too cold for t-shirts and shorts. > > Didn't see many sportbikes at all last Sunday afternoon on the local > roads...where were you all? Lots of Harleys (about 2/3 of all the bikes > seen) and a fair number of what I think were BMWs, though I'm no > expert on them and some may have been other makes but we're talking > tour bikes and smaller vertical riding position things (close to > Leesburg, probably some Triumphs and other Brit bikes...saw a Norton > for instance), but only 2 or 3 sportbikes with riders all scrunched > up in the typical racer riding position. Too cold or something? > There are usually a lot more out than that. > > MC-HOGs ran a parking lot practice in the morning. A couple of > hours of slow ride, cone weave, swerve, figure-8s (with cross- > traffic...), stops in turns, turns from stop (with and without stops > in the turn), and maximum braking stops. Very worthwhile, and > highly recommended for all. I'd gotten Jerry Palladino's DVD on > slow riding a week earlier, and wanted to practice the "friction > zone" and dragging the rear brake for control ideas anyway. Got > lots of that, and it does help with low speed control. Was doing > half-sized (from the MSF layout) figure-8s without any problems at > all...other than dragging hard parts once or twice. Nobody dropped their > bike, not even the newer riders. We used tennis balls cut in half > for "cones", and they worked just fine. > > After the parking lot stuff a few of us decided to go check out the British > Bike Show north of Leesburg. Four bikes (two with passengers) and > an SUV > (with driver and dog) headed out via Point of Rocks for a really > nice ride. We looked over the bikes in the parking area, but it was > too nice a day not to be on the road, so we didn't really go into > the show. > > My passenger asked me what I was thinking as we left the paved road > to cross a bit of gravel going into the pasture where the bike show parking > was located...she's learning to ride and very interested in how > others approach it. I really didn't know at first...most things are > becoming automatic now. All I could remember was that I wanted to > hit the slight dropoff (3-4") at close to a 90 degree angle, not do > anything radical while on the gravel, and keep the speed low on the > grass, since I couldn't tell where the dips were and the bike was > loaded pretty close to max with the two of us on it (mostly from > me...). I wasn't thinking at all about throttle, brakes, or > shifting in particular. Had no problems at all with handling...just > had to remember it was a big cruiser, not an enduro. ;-) > > We started to head back up 15 to Frederick, but the traffic was a > bear, so we turned around (the morning's practice helped with the U- > turn on a side street...no feet down, and no problems making it > around in the narrow street width...nice to find a practical > application so soon) and headed down to 7, to 193 (fun between Great > Falls and the beltway), over the Legion Bridge and up Seven Locks to > Montrose to get to the Hooter's bike show on 355. A few of the HOG > members had bikes in the show, and a couple won trophies...one was > for a home-built chopper (red and chrome, very pretty). Finished > the day up with an impromptu group dinner at the Finger and Claw. > > Anyone who didn't go for a ride missed a really nice day. If you aren't > already familiar with the "friction zone" and other slow speed > techniques, Jerry "motorman" Palladino's video might be worth a > look. I'm expecting to do much better next time I take the ERC. (I > passed last time, but not with a perfect score...next time? ;-) > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 7 20:18:36 2004 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: SS Spam To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Please feel free to send me everyone's name/e-mail address Harry, so I might begin to make amends ;) More seriously though, it won't occur again. Mea maxima culpa. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Harry Mantakos >I just wanted to alert some of you that I have recently become a >licensed Realtor... The dc-cycles list doesn't accept advertising, so while I appreciate your attempt at becoming a paid sponsor of the list, you failed to mention payment of your advertising fee. Feel free to write out 300 small checks, and we can arrange to distribute them to the list members. -harry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 8 07:23:41 2004 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 04:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Last Sunday on the bike (was: RE: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was on the Shenandoah 500, dual sport ride in the mountains... Glenn --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > Didn't see many sportbikes at all last Sunday > afternoon on the local > roads...where were you all? Lots of Harleys (about > 2/3 of all the bikes _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 8 10:42:59 2004 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:42:48 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Last Sunday on the bike (was: RE: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing) At 04:23 AM 10/8/04 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >I was on the Shenandoah 500, dual sport ride in the >mountains... Sounds like fun. Are the leaves starting to change up there yet? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 8 10:52:39 2004 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Last Sunday on the bike (was: RE: Thursday night @ Montrose Crossing) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I guess a few were changing. Never really looked, too busy riding. I took a few pics which can be found here: http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=64502054406&page=1&sort_order=0 --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:23 AM 10/8/04 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >I was on the Shenandoah 500, dual sport ride in the > >mountains... > > Sounds like fun. Are the leaves starting to change > up there yet? > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI > for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 8 11:59:38 2004 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:59:33 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Craigslist Loud Pipes I am a big fan of 'The Best of Craigslist' where I found this moto related gem today. http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/43005425.html It concerns one type of reaction to the loud pipe crowd. Rated R for language and violent imagery. I hope everyone that could ride in today, did. I had to pick up a freakishly large Boston fern a co-worker brought in for me, so I'm truckin'. And jealous. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 8 12:24:23 2004 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:23:51 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Craigslist Loud Pipes That reminds me of my first apartment in Manassas. Every weekday morning about 5:10 AM some over-compensating loon in a Cummins Turbo Diesel Dodge Ram dually would pull into our parking area to (I think) wait to pick someone up. For fifteen to twenty minutes. Right outside my bedroom windows. Keeping the diesel running. Did I mention this truck had twin straight stacks with no mufflers? Quite an experience. Robert On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:59:33 -0400, Troutman wrote: > I am a big fan of 'The Best of Craigslist' where I found this moto related > gem today. > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/43005425.html > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 8 14:47:41 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Robert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Craigslist Loud Pipes Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:48:36 -0400 Maybe I should post my paintball gun for sale on craiglist. Rob On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:23:51 -0400, Robert wrote > That reminds me of my first apartment in Manassas. > > Every weekday morning about 5:10 AM some over-compensating loon in a > Cummins Turbo Diesel Dodge Ram dually would pull into our parking > area to (I think) wait to pick someone up. For fifteen to twenty > minutes. Right outside my bedroom windows. Keeping the diesel > running. Did I mention this truck had twin straight stacks with no mufflers? > > Quite an experience. > > Robert > > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:59:33 -0400, Troutman wrote: > > I am a big fan of 'The Best of Craigslist' where I found this moto related > > gem today. > > > > http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/43005425.html > > -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 9 09:55:04 2004 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:54:36 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Trans Atlantic Bike Share Is anyone familiar with this group? http://www.bikeshareworld.com/membership_info/home_info.htm Sounds like a way to cut down on the high price of bike rental (1/2 the total trip cost is bike rental) Thanks Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 9 22:17:36 2004 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Passenger riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just a question for the experienced. When riding with a passenger I've heard that it's a good idea to adjust the spring preload, how much should it be adjusted and should it go softer or harder? Thanks, Ian _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 9 23:21:13 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:20:54 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Passenger riding It should generally go higher (harder) and for most bikes that are not designed for long-distance two-up touring, it should probably go to the max for a decent sized passenger. Here's my method for determining what to do if you want to be a bit more precise however (which is probably way more complex than needed)... Figure out your average load weight with just you. This is your weight plus any gear that's not stock. For me this probably about 200 lbs. Find out how many positions on your preload there are and what you're at now. Mine is a 9 position preload and I normally run on position 6 (with 9 being highest/hardest and 1 being lowest). Take your load weight and divide it by the position you use... for me, 200 / 6 = 33.33333 Assuming that the preload is linear (which it isn't), that above result is the rough amount of weight needed for each preload "notch". So... each notch theoretically gives me 33 lbs of stuff (gear or passenger). Since I have only three notches left, I should be maxed out on position 9 by carrying 100 lbs. Do I actually do all this math when I load up passengers or gear? No... it's just something I did once to determine that 100 lbs isn't a whole lot of passenger (any girl skinnier than that needs to look elsewhere!) and that I should just max out the preload anytime someone wants a ride. :) The short version... most bikes with most passengers, you should just max it out. Not very scientific, but it works for me. The exceptions are bikes designed for touring and hauling lots of gear, and ones with custom suspension work. Big ole tourers (like Goldwings, Ventures, etc) will probably have some kind of chart with recommended settings for different loads. If you have custom suspension work done, you certainly know more about it than me and probably wouldn't be asking the question in the first place. :P Just my two cents on the matter. --smthng 'A Givi case with 40 lbs of tools is great for wheelies... Not so great for parking lot maneuvers. On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT), Ian Schmidt wrote: > Just a question for the experienced. When riding with > a passenger I've heard that it's a good idea to adjust > the spring preload, how much should it be adjusted > and should it go softer or harder? > > Thanks, > Ian > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 07:51:58 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:51:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: you@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Passenger riding Cc: DC Cycles > Do I actually do all this math when I load up passengers or gear? > No... it's just something I did once to determine that 100 lbs isn't > a whole lot of passenger (any girl skinnier than that needs to look > elsewhere!) and that I should just max out the preload anytime someone > wants a ride. :) Yup - crank it up. When carrying a passenger, the goal is to not have the suspension bottom out. Spending a lot of time tuning it is appropriate if you intend to ride close to the limits with a passenger. If s/he complains about the harshness of the ride, crank it down a notch. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 08:22:09 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:21:31 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles , schmidtys311@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Passenger riding Your rear spring is linear, and most shocks don't have "notches" for pre-load, they have two locking nuts that spin. Either way, you do want to add pre-load. Ideally, you'd want to get two people to help you and set the sag with a passenger, then write down the setting (number of threads) so you know how much to add when you have a passenger. Most people don't have that luxury / time. Assuming you have to correct pre-load set for your weight, you can back out the pre-load adjuster from where it is now to where there is zero pre-load on the spring (lifting up on the back of the bike will lift the collar from the top of the spring). Note how many threads were traveled (or measure the distance) and you've got a good idea of distance per pound of rider (your weight). Add pre-load from the original position for the weight of the passenger at that rate. Or... just wing it. Crank the pre-load down a bit, and go ride. I've always been a fan of that method :) - Roach smthng else wrote: > Find out how many positions on your preload there are and what you're > at now. Mine is a 9 position preload and I normally run on position 6 > (with 9 being highest/hardest and 1 being lowest). > Take your load weight and divide it by the position you use... for > me, 200 / 6 = 33.33333 > Assuming that the preload is linear (which it isn't), From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 08:25:53 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:25:33 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Brian Roach Subject: Re: Passenger riding Cc: DC Cycles , schmidtys311@XXXXXX > Your rear spring is linear, and most shocks don't have "notches" for > pre-load, they have two locking nuts that spin. Geez, Roach - go ahead - make me feel old! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 08:37:32 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:37:06 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Michael Jordan CC: DC Cycles , schmidtys311@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Passenger riding LOL ... it's not an age thing, more of a manufacturer preference thing. Ohlins still uses notches, and I think some OEM Showa stuff still does. They are a PAIN to re-spring or set for a heavy/light rider because you have to get that stupid collar adjusted to where the range of notches is in the right place. - Roach Michael Jordan wrote: > Geez, Roach - go ahead - make me feel old! > >Michael J. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 09:36:44 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: exaust gasket (rvt) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX hi, Ive gotta set of tbrs for my ST that came in the purchase of the bike used. Id like to try them out, but the instructions say to use the supplied hi-temp gasket maker. buying the bike used the PO didnt include any such stuff. and I bet the manufactor supplied just enough. Not having done gasket work in some time I thought RVT might do the job. But the RVT lables only say hi-temp (one said 750 deg), so I dont trust that RVT can handle exaust temps. walmart and the local auto-zone dont have any other gasket makers. Are there any products I can find at local store? Im hoping to do the this weekend. thanks, tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 09:51:07 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:50:41 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Tom De CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: exaust gasket (rvt) Tom, RVT is what you want to use. - Roach ----- http://www.speedwerks.com - The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! Tom De wrote: > hi, > Ive gotta set of tbrs for my ST that came in the > purchase of the bike used. Id like to try them out, > but the instructions say to use the supplied hi-temp > gasket maker. buying the bike used the PO didnt > include any such stuff. and I bet the manufactor > supplied just enough. > Not having done gasket work in some time I thought > RVT might do the job. But the RVT lables only say > hi-temp (one said 750 deg), so I dont trust that RVT > can handle exaust temps. walmart and the local > auto-zone dont have any other gasket makers. > Are there any products I can find at local store? Im > hoping to do the this weekend. > > thanks, > > tom de 03 ST1300 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 09:59:04 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: exaust gasket (rvt) To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX really? ok, but do you suggest blue or red. or does it matter? thanks brian for being home on such a nice day. thanks again, tom de --- roach@XXXXXX wrote: > Tom, > > RVT is what you want to use. > > - Roach > > ----- > http://www.speedwerks.com - The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling > needs! > > Tom De wrote: > > hi, > > Ive gotta set of tbrs for my ST that came in the > > purchase of the bike used. Id like to try them out, > > but the instructions say to use the supplied hi-temp > > gasket maker. buying the bike used the PO didnt > > include any such stuff. and I bet the manufactor > > supplied just enough. > > Not having done gasket work in some time I thought > > RVT might do the job. But the RVT lables only say > > hi-temp (one said 750 deg), so I dont trust that RVT > > can handle exaust temps. walmart and the local > > auto-zone dont have any other gasket makers. > > Are there any products I can find at local store? Im > > hoping to do the this weekend. > > > > thanks, > > > > tom de 03 ST1300 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 10:10:31 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:10:08 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Tom De CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: exaust gasket (rvt) Eek, sorry - you want the "Ultra copper" stuff, comes in a gold tube. They usually have it at pep boys / etc. Found a pic of it ... http://store1.yimg.com/I/rodi_1811_69496086 As for being home ... Sunday is the only day the shop is closed, I usually find it difficult to get off the couch :D - Roach Tom De wrote: >really? ok, but do you suggest blue or red. or does it >matter? thanks brian for being home on such a nice >day. > >thanks again, > >tom de > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 11:35:54 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:56:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: exaust gasket (rvt) On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, Tom De wrote: > really? ok, but do you suggest blue or red. or does it > matter? thanks brian for being home on such a nice > day. > > thanks again, I always use copper RTV on exhaust stuff. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 11:43:31 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Fishbein To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Woops, forgot to paste the ride: from dc take river road all the way out to potomac, coming down to the bottom of a hill take a right on piney meeting house road, wind down around to a left on glen road, wind up to a right at the stop sign (forget the name), take a left about 1/2 mile down the road on Turkey Foot, follow to next stop sign and take left (continuation of Turkey Foot?), wind around to Darnestown Road (Route 28), either take 28 north (left for more riding) or south (right) toward dc (can pick up 270 south to get back to dc). rich fishbein if anyone has some good country road rides give me a call 202 486 5184 ===== Richard Steven Fishbein Attorney at Law __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 11:47:26 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:47:06 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Brian Roach Subject: Re: exaust gasket (rvt) Cc: Tom De , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > RVT is what you want to use. > > - Roach Even better is RTV. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 14:06:53 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:06:33 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach Subject: Re: Passenger riding Cc: Michael Jordan , DC Cycles , schmidtys311@XXXXXX While we're on the subject... all monoshock Yamahas that I've seen use the "multiple notch" system for preload. The underseat kit comes with a goofy wrench that I affectionately call a "shock jockey". I've replaced all the other cheap tools with real ones, but can't find a decent jockey. Anyone have a source for a good replacement for this critter? --smthng 'Got Givi? On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:37:06 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: > > LOL ... it's not an age thing, more of a manufacturer preference thing. > Ohlins still uses notches, and I think some OEM Showa stuff still does. > They are a PAIN to re-spring or set for a heavy/light rider because you > have to get that stupid collar adjusted to where the range of notches is > in the right place. > > - Roach > > > > Michael Jordan wrote: > > > Geez, Roach - go ahead - make me feel old! > > > >Michael J. > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 19:40:15 2004 Subject: Monday ride? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:40:04 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Tomorrow is officially a holiday (if your boss doesn't know this, tell him I said it is!). :P Anyone got any open rides they're planning on hitting? My wife is working, which means I've got a free day and plan on eating up a some pavement somewhere. --smthng 'Givified! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 10 21:51:20 2004 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Fishbein Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX THE OWNERS MANUAL WILL SAY HOW MUCH TO ADJUST BUT I NEVER BOTHER EXCEPT FOR A BIG TRIP --- dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ian Schmidt > Subject: Passenger riding > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Just a question for the experienced. When riding with > a passenger I've heard that it's a good idea to adjust > the spring preload, how much should it be adjusted > and should it go softer or harder? > > Thanks, > Ian > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:20:54 -0400 > From: smthng else > Reply-To: you@XXXXXX > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Passenger riding > > It should generally go higher (harder) and for most bikes that are not > designed for long-distance two-up touring, it should probably go to > the max for a decent sized passenger. Here's my method for > determining what to do if you want to be a bit more precise however > (which is probably way more complex than needed)... > > Figure out your average load weight with just you. This is your > weight plus any gear that's not stock. For me this probably about 200 > lbs. > Find out how many positions on your preload there are and what you're > at now. Mine is a 9 position preload and I normally run on position 6 > (with 9 being highest/hardest and 1 being lowest). > Take your load weight and divide it by the position you use... for > me, 200 / 6 = 33.33333 > Assuming that the preload is linear (which it isn't), that above > result is the rough amount of weight needed for each preload "notch". > So... each notch theoretically gives me 33 lbs of stuff (gear or > passenger). Since I have only three notches left, I should be maxed > out on position 9 by carrying 100 lbs. > > Do I actually do all this math when I load up passengers or gear? > No... it's just something I did once to determine that 100 lbs isn't > a whole lot of passenger (any girl skinnier than that needs to look > elsewhere!) and that I should just max out the preload anytime someone > wants a ride. :) > > The short version... most bikes with most passengers, you should just > max it out. Not very scientific, but it works for me. > > The exceptions are bikes designed for touring and hauling lots of > gear, and ones with custom suspension work. Big ole tourers (like > Goldwings, Ventures, etc) will probably have some kind of chart with > recommended settings for different loads. If you have custom > suspension work done, you certainly know more about it than me and > probably wouldn't be asking the question in the first place. :P > > Just my two cents on the matter. > > --smthng > > 'A Givi case with 40 lbs of tools is great for wheelies... Not so > great for parking lot maneuvers. > > On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT), Ian Schmidt > wrote: > > Just a question for the experienced. When riding with > > a passenger I've heard that it's a good idea to adjust > > the spring preload, how much should it be adjusted > > and should it go softer or harder? > > > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yah === Message Truncated === ===== Richard Steven Fishbein Attorney at Law __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 05:37:52 2004 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:37:25 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Monday ride? > Tomorrow is officially a holiday (if your boss doesn't know this, tell > him I said it is!). :P Anyone got any open rides they're planning on > hitting? I'm riding. VA 28 to Toll Road to Tyson's and back again in the late afternoon. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 09:22:35 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Four beautiful words.... Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:21:58 -0400 Holiday Traffic Heated Grips (Thanks, Bro...they rock!) Rob '98 VFR800 (Givi threw up on) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 10:45:09 2004 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:43:58 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Four beautiful words.... While I've been waiting for my aerostitch to come back to me after the flood, I've been wearing a pair of rainpants over my jeans. made a --world-- of difference Rob Keiser wrote: > > Holiday Traffic > > Heated Grips > > (Thanks, Bro...they rock!) > > Rob > '98 VFR800 (Givi threw up on) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 13:17:58 2004 Subject: Gear price question Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:17:19 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I am looking for some Vanson technical leather race pants. #TEPS Size would be waist 34. The best price I can find online is $539.00 If anyone knows where I could beat this please let me know. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 13:32:35 2004 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Gear price question To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX try jay goddard (he's a dcc lister) at http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/ btw, i believe vanson has some power over the pricing of its retailers.... --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > I am looking for some Vanson technical leather race > pants. #TEPS Size > would be waist 34. The best price I can find online is > $539.00 If > anyone knows where I could beat this please let me know. > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 13:39:00 2004 Subject: RE: Gear price question Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:38:23 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Tom Gimer" , I know Jay and am hoping to talk to him about these pants tomorrow or Wednesday. Thanks to him I have a wonderful Vanson leather jacket. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:32 PM To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear price question try jay goddard (he's a dcc lister) at http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/ btw, i believe vanson has some power over the pricing of its retailers.... --- Julian Halton wrote: > > > I am looking for some Vanson technical leather race pants. #TEPS Size > would be waist 34. The best price I can find online is $539.00 If > anyone knows where I could beat this please let me know. > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 17:04:23 2004 From: "Herb Manell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: tdeboeser@XXXXXX Reply-To: Herb@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/04 X-IPAddress: 4.249.60.203 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:03:51 -0700 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host48n.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32427 32427] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - motorcyclegrouptours.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:36:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom De > Subject: exaust gasket (rvt) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > hi, > Ive gotta set of tbrs for my ST that came in the > purchase of the bike used. Id like to try them out, > but the instructions say to use the supplied hi-temp > gasket maker. buying the bike used the PO didnt > include any such stuff. and I bet the manufactor > supplied just enough. > Not having done gasket work in some time I thought > RVT might do the job. But the RVT lables only say > hi-temp (one said 750 deg), so I dont trust that RVT > can handle exaust temps. walmart and the local > auto-zone dont have any other gasket makers. > Are there any products I can find at local store? Im > hoping to do the this weekend. > > thanks, > > tom de 03 ST1300 > _______________________________ Tom, Two weeks ago I installed a set of TwoBros slip-ons onto my ST1300. The PO did not supply all the "required" gasket materials so I purchased the OEM parts from a dealer, @ $26/set. Quick install. No leaks. The bike went from sounding like a droning sewing machine to a mild V-8. The mid-range flat spot seems to have dissapeared. I'm experience some mild backfiring upon heavy deceleration (running lean?) but overall the bike runs well. Quite a weight difference in the pipes. Hope your install goes well. Curious as to your impressions. Herb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 20:59:44 2004 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:59:10 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Thomas Jordan , mike@XXXXXX Subject: West coast roadracer gets nailed - LITERALLY! This guy has some piss-poor luck! http://www.ballsacracing.com/race_reports/101004_brian.php -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 11 23:33:30 2004 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Fishbein Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/11/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX TOO Bad I Missed The Message! Went For A Great Ride Through Howard County --- dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Monday ride? > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:40:04 -0400 > From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > To: "DC Cycles" > > Tomorrow is officially a holiday (if your boss doesn't know this, tell > him I said it is!). :P Anyone got any open rides they're planning on > hitting? My wife is working, which means I've got a free day and plan > on eating up a some pavement somewhere. > > --smthng > > 'Givified! > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:50:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Richard Fishbein > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/04 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > THE OWNERS MANUAL WILL SAY HOW MUCH TO ADJUST BUT I > NEVER BOTHER EXCEPT FOR A BIG TRIP > --- dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated > email discussion list > > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the > Washington D.C. area. > > =( \___/ )= > > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list > is available at: > > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > > \ || || / > > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests > should be sent to: > > \| |/ > dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > > |_| > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Ian Schmidt > > Subject: Passenger riding > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Just a question for the experienced. When riding > with > > a passenger I've heard that it's a good idea to > adjust > > the spring preload, how much should it be adjusted > > and should it go softer or harder? > > > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > _ _ _ > _ > > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > .-.-.=\-. > > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > (_)=='(_) > > > > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:20:54 -0400 > > From: smthng else > > Reply-To: you@XXXXXX > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: Passenger riding > > > > It should generally go higher (harder) and for most > bikes that are not > > designed for long-distance two-up touring, it should > probably go to > > the max for a decent sized passenger. Here's my > method for > > determining what to do if you want to be a bit more > precise however > > (which is probably way more complex than needed)... > > > > Figure out your average load weight with just you. > This is your > > weight plus any gear that's not stock. For me this > probably about 200 > > lbs. > > Find out how many positions on your preload there > are and what you're > > at now. Mine is a 9 position preload and I normally > run on position 6 > > (with 9 being highest/hardest and 1 being lowest). > > Take your load weight and divide it by the position > you use... for > > me, 200 / 6 = 33.33333 > > Assuming th === Message Truncated === ===== Richard Steven Fishbein Attorney at Law __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 07:28:05 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:23:38 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Herb@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ST1300 TBR pipes first impressions ( WAS: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/04 ) Herb Manell wrote: >Tom, > >Two weeks ago I installed a set of TwoBros slip-ons onto my ST1300. The PO >did not supply all the "required" gasket materials so I purchased the OEM parts >from a dealer, @ $26/set. Quick install. No leaks. The bike went from sounding >like a droning sewing machine to a mild V-8. The mid-range flat spot seems to >have dissapeared. I'm experience some mild backfiring upon heavy >deceleration (running lean?) but overall the bike runs well. Quite a weight >difference in the pipes. > >Hope your install goes well. Curious as to your impressions. > > Thanks to Brian ( helping me make sure RTV ( my dysliksya kicked in before ) would be ok ), my install went quickly. My impressions ( after one hour yesterday and the ride in today ); The on/off (light switch) throttle response has smoothed out. Very nice sound. Seems to jump outta corners better, but that is probably rider riding harder - to hear the rumbling. I agree with Herb the rev range seems smoother when the throttle is opened up. I'm not sure I can feel the 16lbs weight loss, the ST1300 feels very light in stock form ( steering is already quick ), but I'm sure the weight loss is beneficial. As mentioned before the sound is very nice, but pretty loud. Maybe louder than my buddies 954 TBR pipe. Well maybe at idle and low speed. It's a big thrumming, not so much loud but felt. I like it, but it may have to go. I leave at 6am, a bit early for some people. Unfortunately, the only other loud bike in the neighborhood ( a Harley ) doesn't ride to work. Although, we have new construction nearby which could cover my loudness - man those guys start early. Tom de ' 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 07:34:19 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:33:19 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody here? Rode in (sorta) with an ST1300 this morning on the Dulles Toll Road - anyone on the list? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 08:12:42 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:08:18 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anybody here? Michael Jordan wrote: >Rode in (sorta) with an ST1300 this morning on the Dulles Toll Road - >anyone on the list? > >Michael J. > > > > It wasn't me, but its nice to see another ST1300 spotted. Tom de '03, - traveling up 95 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 08:57:59 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: ST 1300 question Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:57:30 -0400 It seems we have a couple STs on the list. My uncle out in Cali has one for a daily commuter + weekend recreation. He mentioned one strange problem a couple of weeks ago...said his clutch was slipping. It seems (-ed) to be intermittent--it would happen rarely, always under acceleration in a high gear at highway speeds. Have any of the ST folks heard of any STs slipping clutches for any reason? Strangely, the dealership (he won't spin a wrench, not even to change the oil) claimed they put in the wrong weight of Honda Oil (yes, weight, not type--they were very specific--it was like 5W30 instead of 10W40 or whatever). I'm extremely skeptical, to say the least. I'm used to hearing about highly modded bikes slipping when they run super slippery synth or "high gas mileage" oils, or oils with lots of certain slippery additives. But a stock ST with a relatively calm rider? --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 09:10:37 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:09:41 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Jon Strang CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ST 1300 question It's pretty common for clutches to start slipping at high revs and/or under heavy load, then get worse from there. As for the wrong weight of oil ... typical dealer nonsense (for the most part ... something extreme might make a difference). If I can put mobil 1 tri-syn 10w40 in a 170hp GSXR1000 and not have a clutch slip, I'm sure the ST would be just fine :) - Roach Jon Strang wrote: > It seems we have a couple STs on the list. My uncle out in Cali has one > for a daily commuter + weekend recreation. He mentioned one strange > problem a couple of weeks ago...said his clutch was slipping. It seems > (-ed) to be intermittent--it would happen rarely, always under > acceleration in a high gear at highway speeds. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 09:25:54 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:21:32 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Jon Strang Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ST 1300 question Jon Strang wrote: > It seems we have a couple STs on the list. My uncle out in Cali has > one for a daily commuter + weekend recreation. He mentioned one > strange problem a couple of weeks ago...said his clutch was slipping. > It seems (-ed) to be intermittent--it would happen rarely, always > under acceleration in a high gear at highway speeds. I've notice nothing like that, although sometimes I don't move the shift leaver far enough to the next gear ( seems to have longer strokes than my VTR did ) it'll pop down a gear. I did some aggressive riding yesterday and had no problems, I'm using Rotella Blue 5w40 for about a week and half now. > > Have any of the ST folks heard of any STs slipping clutches for any > reason? > I've been on a big ST list for a short time, but I have not seen any complaints about this. > Strangely, the dealership (he won't spin a wrench, not even to change > the oil) claimed they put in the wrong weight of Honda Oil (yes, > weight, not type--they were very specific--it was like 5W30 instead of > 10W40 or whatever). I'm extremely skeptical, to say the least. Yeah, me too. But IIRC, alot of10w30 is evil energy conserving type oil. Maybe they used a car oil, or something with additives Did they drain and refill? Even then it may take another oil change to dilute/flush out the "bad" oil. There are bunches of ST'ers in CA, they would probably help - even change the oil for him. > > I'm used to hearing about highly modded bikes slipping when they run > super slippery synth or "high gas mileage" oils, or oils with lots of > certain slippery additives. But a stock ST with a relatively calm rider? > > --jon > > Hope he has better luck with it, Tom de '03 ST From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 10:21:25 2004 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" From: Stephen Miller Subject: For sale: '75 Honda CB550F Supersport Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:20:57 -0400 $1000/best offer Runs pretty well, though the off-idle carburetion isn't quite right, and the #4 carb is just a tiny bit leaky. Lots of new parts in the past year, including new tires, NOS seat, new paint last year, new chain and sprockets, new front master cylinder and brake pads, new battery last year, new fork seals, fork oil, more that I can't think of off the top of my head. Odometer reads 33K miles, I have no idea if this is correct, or if the speedo was lifted from another 550. No oil leaks or anything. Pics at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat/PhotoAlbum19.html Email me with questions or phone 443-451-5120. Bike is located in Baltimore. - Steve Miller From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 12:49:31 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:48:53 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: [VStrom2] N VSC -I was unaware that cars could do stoppies ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: william rowe Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VStrom2] N VSC -I was unaware that cars could do stoppies To: vstrom2@XXXXXX Cc: apfrank@XXXXXX good lord! > http://tom.kat.free.fr/mini.wmv ===== Whenever truth is murdered, the blood at the scene has a high irony content. "Vote Democrat,just don't drive like one." -T.S http://home.earthlink.net/~houval/gopconstrm.mov http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/10/con04418.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Autos. Everything you need to know about buying or selling a car. FREE Quotes, 360)B° Tours, Research, Blue Book, Compare Vehicles, Buy Used http://us.click.yahoo.com/kEZsdA/bwnGAA/YiGOAA/6liolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> DL FAQ: Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VStrom2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VStrom2-unsubscribe@XXXXXX <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 12:54:32 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:53:52 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Jon Strang Subject: Re: ST 1300 question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > ..said his clutch was slipping. It seems (-ed) to be > intermittent--it would happen rarely, always under acceleration in a high > gear at highway speeds. If it's gonna slip, that's when it will. If your clutch slips in lower gears, you have REALLY toasted it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 13:05:41 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: [VStrom2] N VSC -I was unaware that cars could do stoppies Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:04:38 -0400 VERY Cool!! Rob (now dizzy) ;) '98 VFR800 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: [VStrom2] N VSC -I was unaware that cars could do stoppies Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:48:53 -0400 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: william rowe Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VStrom2] N VSC -I was unaware that cars could do stoppies To: vstrom2@XXXXXX Cc: apfrank@XXXXXX good lord! > http://tom.kat.free.fr/mini.wmv ===== Whenever truth is murdered, the blood at the scene has a high irony content. "Vote Democrat,just don't drive like one." -T.S http://home.earthlink.net/~houval/gopconstrm.mov http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/10/con04418.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Autos. Everything you need to know about buying or selling a car. FREE Quotes, 360)B° Tours, Research, Blue Book, Compare Vehicles, Buy Used http://us.click.yahoo.com/kEZsdA/bwnGAA/YiGOAA/6liolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> DL FAQ: Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VStrom2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VStrom2-unsubscribe@XXXXXX <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 13:48:41 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: [VStrom2] N VSC -I was unaware that cars could do stoppies Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:13:53 -0400 Just the thing for DC commuting! And parking... ;^) Perry _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 14:08:38 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:07:18 -0400 From: Skip To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: [VStrom2] N VSC -I was unaware that cars could do stoppies I thought it was very cool that he wasn't gagging the engine in most of the spins. quite a wheelman. Michael Jordan wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: william rowe > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:45:09 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [VStrom2] N VSC -I was unaware that cars could do stoppies > To: vstrom2@XXXXXX > Cc: apfrank@XXXXXX > > good lord! > > > http://tom.kat.free.fr/mini.wmv > > ===== > Whenever truth is murdered, the blood at the scene has a high irony content. > > "Vote Democrat,just don't drive like one." > -T.S > > http://home.earthlink.net/~houval/gopconstrm.mov > http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/10/con04418.html > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Autos. Everything you need to know about buying > or selling a car. FREE Quotes, 360)B° Tours, Research, > Blue Book, Compare Vehicles, Buy Used > http://us.click.yahoo.com/kEZsdA/bwnGAA/YiGOAA/6liolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > DL FAQ: > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VStrom2/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > VStrom2-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 17:19:22 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:18:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Jon Strang , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ST 1300 question -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang Strangely, the dealership (he won't spin a wrench, not even to change the oil) claimed they put in the wrong weight of Honda Oil (yes, weight, not type--they were very specific--it was like 5W30 instead of 10W40 or whatever). I'm extremely skeptical, to say the least. I'm used to hearing about highly modded bikes slipping when they run super slippery synth or "high gas mileage" oils, or oils with lots of certain slippery additives. But a stock ST with a relatively calm rider? --jon ------- Sounds like Unc needs to go to a real mechanic, one that doesn't try to blow smoke up his nether-regions while charging him for high-priced oil changes. However, high concentrations of molybdenum have been known to cause slippage in wet clutches. IIRC MCN ran some tests suggesting that moly content varies pretty widely, even between different flavors of OEM-badged oils. Never had a clutch slip in my bikes, even the VFR with 72K on it, original clutch. I use "car oil" too, just avoiding the Energy Conserving stuff. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 12 22:27:43 2004 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Friend down, question about bike A buddy of mine dropped his bike today. It was during his quick stop portion of his riding test. He's a new rider, but has done well riding on the street the few times I've ridden with him. I guess he needs to practice panic stops a little more. :-\ Anyway, I brought the bike over to my house and worked on it tonight. Other than a few scuffs, everything looks good. He beat up the right rear set/peg mount pretty bad, so some pieces there will need to be replaced. The only question I have is about a weld on the swingarm. It's tough to see in the pic, but he chipped a very small piece of the weld off on the underside... http://www.blueblackbusa.org/kenny-cbr//DSC02909.JPG http://www.blueblackbusa.org/kenny-cbr//DSC02910.JPG Should he be concerned about that? I can't see anything cracked, just a very small chip on the corner. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 06:15:20 2004 From: Daniel To: Wayne Edelen Cc: Subject: Re: Friend down, question about bike Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:14:24 -0400 I would just get into the habbit of checking it and the oil as part of a pre ride check list for each day of riding. It may grow into a crack or may not.. but i doubt the swingarm would snap while riding (unless you never checked on it and the chip grew into a huge crack)... but I have had a frame crack at a weld and it held. a friend has also.. but tell him to keep an eye on it on a regulary basis every day that he rides, check it and the oil, and chain slack. he might as well get into that good habit now. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 08:01:56 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:01:09 EDT Subject: Re: Friend down, question about bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/13/2004 7:14:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > but i doubt the swingarm would snap while riding Really? Kawasaki had a recall due to a few welds failing on swingarms. Do not even like to think about it. (Note: first hand experience. I worked at a dealership that had a swingarm break on a customer. I saw the broken part, and with years of welding under my belt could see that it was a bad weld (concave instead of convex.)) Customer settled for a new (bigger) bike. The recall came later. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 08:58:21 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 1993 ST100 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:55:16 -0400 I am posting this for Bob (see contact info below). He's a good guy and I've got to believe that this bike has been VERY well cared for. Please contact Bob directly with any questions, etc. By the way, the bike is located in the Frederick, MD area. Perry ----- The Honda is a 1993 ST1100 which I bought new. It is a pearl red color, has a bit under 32000 miles and has always been garaged. I know of no problems with the bike. Included also are Corbin and factory seats, original windshield plus taller Clearview and Rifle screens. I think it is fairly priced at $4500. Reason for selling is purchase of an ST 1300. Thanks Bob Brown 301-865-1369 home or e-mail bob.brown@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 10:01:54 2004 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:59:48 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Friend down, question about bike At 11:48 PM 10/12/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >The only question I have is about a weld on the swingarm. It's tough to >see in the pic, but he chipped a very small piece of the weld off on the >underside... > >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/kenny-cbr//DSC02909.JPG >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/kenny-cbr//DSC02910.JPG > >Should he be concerned about that? I can't see anything cracked, just a >very small chip on the corner. I'm not a welder, but I'm working on changing that, so while not anything like an expert, I've been reading a lot about it lately. Take this for whatever you feel it is worth. If you already knew all this, no harm, if not, now you will. A proper weld involves joining the parts into a single piece. The parts to be joined are melted, flow together, and then solidify into a single part. If welding rod/wire ("filler") is added to the puddle in the process, it becomes part of the finished piece too. A weld isn't a braze/solder joint where you are using another metal as a sort of glue, and the parts don't actually join to each other to become a single part. Given that, it should not be possible to chip off part of a weld any more than you can chip off any other part of the piece...and not any less either of course. If you can knock off any of the weld bead and leave more or less unscarred metal behind where it was, then it was a *very* bad weld...there was no penetration at all, and the weld rod/wire was just melted on top of the part. The parts never got hot enough to actually be welded. This is a very weak join and I wouldn't trust it for anything critical. Certainly not on a swingarm. Since I can't see the chip you are referring to in the pics, I don't know what the chip looks like, but maybe you can tell if what I said above applies. If it does, I'd contact the manufacturer, as a cold weld like that on a critical part is certainly a manufacturing defect and they should be happy to replace it free under warranty...and maybe even after it. Even if most of the weld is fine, and only the part that chipped off was bad. If there are experienced welders or engineers here who find any fault in the above, I'd really appreciate hearing about it. As I say, I'm trying to learn about this stuff. Thanks. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 10:03:49 2004 Subject: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:03:11 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" I noticed yesterday that VDOT was up to something on Fox Mill road, but I didn't know what they were up to until I rode home last night. I managed to get a better look at their antics this morning as well. Apparently, VDOT is trying "State of the art hot injection patching" in the Oakton area off of (and on) Fox Mill Road. The "state of the art" thing is what was plastered all over the truck that was doing the dirty work. Apparently, instead of digging up a pothole and refilling it with tarmac and then hot rolling it, they have this truck that now just injects hot tar into the damaged road areas and then they pour pea gravel all over it. It's hella quicker, but it absolutely sucks for motorcycles! I hit two patches of this last night and it's nasty stuff... First off, they use WAY too much gravel and the road is now covered with it. It's also very SMALL gravel, so it doesn't get kicked off the road as quickly as the larger stuff and it makes nice little piles in the center of the lane. I had a little front wheel slip on the first patch, but nothing to be worried about. However, the gravel also is somewhat sticky, so it managed to get a nice grip on my front tire and I could hear it flinging off for about half a mile. The second patch that I hit was much more entertaining, as I lost the back wheel that time and managed to get a really nice slide started. Luckily it wasn't anywhere near enough to cause a high-side, but it d@mn sure freaked me out a bit! I wasn't being aggressive in my riding by any means, and I know how to ride on gravel (I do gravel roads on a fairly regular basis), but the transition from my usual Fox Mill "sticky-ness" to piles of gravel "nothing-ness" made the rest of the ride a bit TOO interesting for my tastes. And, since most of the potholes were on the curvy parts in the first place, there's now lots of gravel in the worst possible places. In short... if you're anywhere near Fox Mill Road (or it's side roads, like Steeplechase and Lawyers Rd), be careful about little (and some not so little) discolored patches in the middle of the road... I'd expect it to take about a week for this stuff to get gone. It'd be really nice if someone from VDOT actually thought about only having two wheels once in a while. :/ --smthng 'Slip sliding along... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 10:19:27 2004 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:18:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? -----Original Message----- From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Apparently, VDOT is trying "State of the art hot injection patching" in the Oakton area off of (and on) Fox Mill Road. The "state of the art" thing is what was plastered all over the truck that was doing the dirty work. Apparently, instead of digging up a pothole and refilling it with tarmac and then hot rolling it, they have this truck that now just injects hot tar into the damaged road areas and then they pour pea gravel all over it. It's hella quicker, but it absolutely sucks for motorcycles! ..... Uh, sounds like chip seal to me. Don't knock it, if it weren't for chip seal, we'd still be riding in the mud in rural Ohio where I grew up. :) "State of the Art," my eye. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 10:30:56 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Eclipse P-38 Saddlepacks... Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:29:10 -0400 Since I'm all Givi, All the time now on the VFR, I'm selling my former set-up. I'm keeping the tank bag, and have already sold the Fast Pack Seat Pack, so that leaves the side bags. They are Black/Black, in excellent condition, include all brackets, rain covers, and are still in the box. (kind of a pack rat). Last time I checked, they were about $85-90 shipped from MAW, so how about $50/obo? Ping me off-list if you're interested or have any questions. Figured I'd try here before CL, or ebay. Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 10:46:45 2004 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:44:57 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? At 11:03 AM 10/13/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >Apparently, VDOT is trying "State of the art hot injection patching" in >the Oakton area off of (and on) Fox Mill Road. The "state of the art" >thing is what was plastered all over the truck that was doing the dirty >work. Apparently, instead of digging up a pothole and refilling it with >tarmac and then hot rolling it, they have this truck that now just >injects hot tar into the damaged road areas and then they pour pea >gravel all over it. It's hella quicker, but it absolutely sucks for >motorcycles! "State of the art"??? Apparently it's a pretty slow moving "art"...that's the way they used to pave roads when I was a kid in Norfolk (almost 40 years ago). Spray tar, sprinkle gravel, and wait. Whole roads in my area were paved that way. I can attest to how bad it is for two-wheeled vehicles. I had a really nasty fall a couple of weeks after a repaving where I got a concussion when the wheels went out from under me in a turn. After a few summers the gravel will sink into the tar, and the tar will age and harden, and the end result is a lot like a very rough asphalt paving job. Traction is fine, but if you fall, it's kind of like the difference between 40 grit sandpaper and 320 grit...it will rip chunks, not just sand your skin off. The scars on my knees are *almost* gone now... >to be worried about. However, the gravel also is somewhat sticky, so it >managed to get a nice grip on my front tire and I could hear it flinging >off for about half a mile. Car drivers hate this stuff too...the tar ends up in little spots and streaks up the side of their nice paint jobs behind the wheels, and it's a PITA to get off. Most of the tar removers take any wax off too. >being aggressive in my riding by any means, and I know how to ride on >gravel (I do gravel roads on a fairly regular basis), but the transition Got to ride a few hundred feet in deep (4" loose) gravel on Sunday. MC-HOGs went down to the Bealton Flying Circus, and their lot is grass with gravel for the "lanes". It was sunk into the dirt pretty well in some places, but they'd apparently put down fresh stuff recently. Fun air show, and since it was "Bike Day" they had a little motorcycle show and bikes got in for 1/2 price. >It'd be really nice if someone from VDOT actually thought about only >having two wheels once in a while. :/ Maybe the AMA can get their attention? Combine that with the tar-on-paint complaints from cagers and maybe they can get that patching method outlawed. It's certainly a safety hazard. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 10:52:13 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , Wayne Edelen , Subject: Re: Friend down, question about bike Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:52:34 -0400 I think I see it. Is it right at the bottom of the rider rearset? Imagine the bike being dropped and the rear set being pushed in onto the swing arm. I would be concerned if part of the metal chipped off. At most it should maybe be dented or ding but it shouldn't fall off the bike. Regards, Rob On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:59:48 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote > At 11:48 PM 10/12/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >The only question I have is about a weld on the swingarm. It's tough to > >see in the pic, but he chipped a very small piece of the weld off on the > >underside... > > > >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/kenny-cbr//DSC02909.JPG > >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/kenny-cbr//DSC02910.JPG > > > >Should he be concerned about that? I can't see anything cracked, just a > >very small chip on the corner. > > I'm not a welder, but I'm working on changing that, so while not anything > like an expert, I've been reading a lot about it lately. Take this for > whatever you feel it is worth. If you already knew all this, no > harm, if not, now you will. > > A proper weld involves joining the parts into a single piece. The > parts to be joined are melted, flow together, and then solidify into > a single part. If welding rod/wire ("filler") is added to the puddle > in the process, it becomes part of the finished piece too. A weld > isn't a braze/solder joint where you are using another metal as a > sort of glue, and the parts don't actually join to each other to > become a single part. > > Given that, it should not be possible to chip off part of a weld any > more than you can chip off any other part of the piece...and not any > less either of course. If you can knock off any of the weld bead > and leave more or less unscarred metal behind where it was, then it > was a *very* bad weld...there was no penetration at all, and the > weld rod/wire was just melted on top of the part. The parts never > got hot enough to actually be welded. This is a very weak join and > I wouldn't trust it for anything critical. Certainly not on a swingarm. > > Since I can't see the chip you are referring to in the pics, I don't > know what the chip looks like, but maybe you can tell if what I said > above applies. If it does, I'd contact the manufacturer, as a cold > weld like that on a critical part is certainly a manufacturing > defect and they should be happy to replace it free under > warranty...and maybe even after it. Even if most of the weld is > fine, and only the part that chipped off was bad. > > If there are experienced welders or engineers here who find any > fault in the above, I'd really appreciate hearing about it. As I > say, I'm trying to learn about this stuff. Thanks. > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 10:56:34 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:57:01 -0400 I still cringe when I see a tar and oil sign on the roads. It's usaully reserved for rural roads. They used it quite a bit when I lived in upstate NY. I would have to agree with Mike it's *ANYTHING* but state of the art. Rob On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:44:57 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote > At 11:03 AM 10/13/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > > >Apparently, VDOT is trying "State of the art hot injection patching" in > >the Oakton area off of (and on) Fox Mill Road. The "state of the art" > >thing is what was plastered all over the truck that was doing the dirty > >work. Apparently, instead of digging up a pothole and refilling it with > >tarmac and then hot rolling it, they have this truck that now just > >injects hot tar into the damaged road areas and then they pour pea > >gravel all over it. It's hella quicker, but it absolutely sucks for > >motorcycles! > > "State of the art"??? Apparently it's a pretty slow moving "art"...that's > the way they used to pave roads when I was a kid in Norfolk (almost > 40 years ago). Spray tar, sprinkle gravel, and wait. Whole roads > in my area were paved that way. I can attest to how bad it is for > two-wheeled vehicles. I had a really nasty fall a couple of weeks > after a repaving where I got a concussion when the wheels went out > from under me in a turn. > > After a few summers the gravel will sink into the tar, and the tar > will age and harden, and the end result is a lot like a very rough > asphalt paving job. Traction is fine, but if you fall, it's kind of > like the difference between 40 grit sandpaper and 320 grit...it will > rip chunks, not just sand your skin off. The scars on my knees are > *almost* gone now... > > >to be worried about. However, the gravel also is somewhat sticky, so it > >managed to get a nice grip on my front tire and I could hear it flinging > >off for about half a mile. > > Car drivers hate this stuff too...the tar ends up in little spots and > streaks up the side of their nice paint jobs behind the wheels, and > it's a PITA to get off. Most of the tar removers take any wax off too. > > >being aggressive in my riding by any means, and I know how to ride on > >gravel (I do gravel roads on a fairly regular basis), but the transition > > Got to ride a few hundred feet in deep (4" loose) gravel on Sunday. > MC-HOGs went down to the Bealton Flying Circus, and their lot is > grass with gravel for the "lanes". It was sunk into the dirt pretty > well in some places, but they'd apparently put down fresh stuff > recently. Fun air show, and since it was "Bike Day" they had a > little motorcycle show and bikes got in for 1/2 price. > > >It'd be really nice if someone from VDOT actually thought about only > >having two wheels once in a while. :/ > > Maybe the AMA can get their attention? Combine that with the tar-on- > paint complaints from cagers and maybe they can get that patching method > outlawed. It's certainly a safety hazard. > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 11:43:34 2004 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:41:52 -0400 From: Skip To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend down, question about bike perhaps you can zoom in a little bit and put an arrow on the affected area. 30 seconds of looking didn't show me anything. Wayne Edelen wrote: > > A buddy of mine dropped his bike today. It was during his quick stop > portion of his riding test. He's a new rider, but has done well riding on > the street the few times I've ridden with him. I guess he needs to > practice panic stops a little more. :-\ > > Anyway, I brought the bike over to my house and worked on it tonight. > Other than a few scuffs, everything looks good. He beat up the right rear > set/peg mount pretty bad, so some pieces there will need to be replaced. > The only question I have is about a weld on the swingarm. It's tough to > see in the pic, but he chipped a very small piece of the weld off on the > underside... > > http://www.blueblackbusa.org/kenny-cbr//DSC02909.JPG > http://www.blueblackbusa.org/kenny-cbr//DSC02910.JPG > > Should he be concerned about that? I can't see anything cracked, just a > very small chip on the corner. > > -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 11:57:45 2004 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:57:05 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Subject: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? Cc: DC Cycles > I noticed yesterday that VDOT was up to something on Fox Mill road, but > I didn't know what they were up to until I rode home last night. I > managed to get a better look at their antics this morning as well. Have YOU contacted VDOT - officially? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 13:21:50 2004 Subject: RE: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:21:09 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" > Have YOU contacted VDOT - officially? Started this before lunch, just finished and sent it. Will follow up tomorrow morning with a phone call. --smthng 'Patch this! -------------------------------------------------------- Dear Sirs, I am writing to voice my concern regarding the current pothole repairs affecting Fox Mill Rd (and surrounding streets) in Fairfax County. The area in question is from Waples Mill Road to Lawyers Road. Yesterday (10/12/04) morning, I noticed a repair crew using a truck that had something similar to the following painted on it: "State of the Art Hot Injection Patching". The crew was starting to patch several areas on Fox Mill Road. While I understand the need for patching that particular road, I am quite concerned about the method being used to do so. I appeared to me that the truck would fill any holes or irregularities with molten asphault and then small "pea gravel" would be liberally poured over the area. The problem with this is that there is a large amount of excess gravel that scatters over the roadway. In time, this excess gravel also gets built up into "patches" of loose gravel at various locations on the road due to motorized traffic. As a motorcyclist, I find this to be particularly dangerous. The excess gravel is extremely hazardous to motorcycle riders as it causes an almost complete loss of traction on one, if not both wheels. Due to the nature of Fox Mill Road in particular, almost all of the patches are on or very near to tight corners. A loss of traction for a motorcycle in a corner is a recipe for disaster and one of the main areas of concern for most motorcyclists. As a secondary concern, hitting one of these patches of gravel after it has recently been put down causes a combination of gravel and tar to become stuck to the wheels. This decreases the traction of a motorcycle for quite some time even after the patch is passed. The gravel and tar also flings off the tire into the engine area and also runs the possibility of negatively affecting the operation of a motorcycle (not to mention to cosmetic issues and the amount of work it takes to scrape it all off when the bike has cooled). While returning from the office, I had no choice but to ride through several of these patches of loose gravel and tar. Two of them caused a total loss of traction to my motorcycle. As I am a reasonably accomplished rider, I was able to recover from both of these incidents. A less experienced rider, or one on a bike that handles a little differently, might not have been so fortunate. Motocyclists in general have enough to worry about in this area, adding hazardous road conditions to our list of things that we have to contend with does not make our lives any easier or safer. I would very much like to see this issue addressed. I can think of several possible options that might make the situation safer for everyone. One option would be to sweep up any excess gravel and have it removed immediately after sealing the potholes. Another option would be to use a different method of patching that does not negatively affect the safety of motorcyclists, even if it means taking a bit more time to do so. At the very least, several signs in the area with "Loose gravel" warnings would help cyclists who are unaware of the maintenance be more alert to possible handling problems. However, a warning sign is somewhat like a band-aid... It does not address the actual problem of the loose gravel in the first place. There may be other alternative solutions that I am unaware of, but I would find it hard to believe there is not a safe method for patching holes that does not negatively impact motorcycles (or other vehicles for that matter). I look forward to your response and effort in maintaining a safe environment for motorcyclists. Please feel free to forward this to any party who can address this issue. Thank you. Jonathan Kalmes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 13:26:41 2004 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:46:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Friend down, question about bike On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > perhaps you can zoom in a little bit and put an arrow on the affected > area. 30 seconds of looking didn't show me anything. You're right, let me grab another pic that really shows the area. Sorry 'bout that. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 14:09:41 2004 From: Daniel To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend down, question about bike Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:08:37 -0400 I mean it all depends... if you're not watching a crack/split etc... who's to say how big it grew before it snapped? if the crack is big enough, of course it will snap.. but yea, the 98-02 zx6r frames... would develope a crack at the weld/seam under the gas tank at the right hand side, on top of the frame. A hair line crack in the frame grew from this.. this happend on both my bike, and a friend of mines, and he knows of others too. The frames never snapped though... but the point is, if it's only a chip in the metal, just keep an eye on it. if it was a crack, that might be diffefrent. If it grows to a crack, it's time for a re-evaluation of the options. On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:01:09 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 10/13/2004 7:14:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > >> but i doubt the swingarm would snap while riding > >Really? >Kawasaki had a recall due to a few welds failing on swingarms. Do not even >like to think about it. (Note: first hand experience. I worked at a dealership >that had a swingarm break on a customer. I saw the broken part, and with years >of welding under my belt could see that it was a bad weld (concave instead of >convex.)) Customer settled for a new (bigger) bike. The recall came later. > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > >1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 13 14:23:06 2004 From: "Herb Manell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: Herb@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/12/04 X-IPAddress: 204.108.8.5 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:22:16 -0700 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host48n.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32427 32427] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - motorcyclegrouptours.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\- . > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_) =='(_) > > Reply-To: "Jon Strang" > From: "Jon Strang" > To: > Subject: ST 1300 question > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:57:30 -0400 > > It seems we have a couple STs on the list. My uncle out in Cali has one for > a daily commuter + weekend recreation. He mentioned one strange problem a > couple of weeks ago...said his clutch was slipping. It seems (-ed) to be > intermittent--it would happen rarely, always under acceleration in a high > gear at highway speeds. > > Have any of the ST folks heard of any STs slipping clutches for any reason? > > Strangely, the dealership (he won't spin a wrench, not even to change the > oil) claimed they put in the wrong weight of Honda Oil (yes, weight, not > type--they were very specific--it was like 5W30 instead of 10W40 or > whatever). I'm extremely skeptical, to say the least. > > I'm used to hearing about highly modded bikes slipping when they run super > slippery synth or "high gas mileage" oils, or oils with lots of certain > slippery additives. But a stock ST with a relatively calm rider? > > --jon > __________________________________________________________ Jon, No slippage from my ST1300 clutch detected. I have about 16,500 on the odometer. Have not read of any other such incidents reported on the ST1300 list (and they report/complain about all the quirks). I did experience clutch slippage on my '94 V-4 Magna when I used a Honda Hi Moly based oil. Made a big + difference switching out that oil...after the second oil change. That slippery molly clings! Herb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 14 18:02:22 2004 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:01:22 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: [VStrom2] Next Gen Segway? Neat! Want one! Michael J. http://wm.segway.na-central.speedera.net/wm.segway.na-central/conceptcentaur.wmv Or here... http://tinyurl.com/6j5qa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 15 10:37:13 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Rob Keiser'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: for sale GSXR600 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:36:49 -0400 Finally decided to sell. http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/45651567.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 15 11:12:01 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dlrIcJlk5ZflcIuGgAxL4VCVtLcJdlmVlV2sUjJtSufJmpQY7SkgswV/mR1izUF67fneq6NTeWAZYv0dEcWvQB4iAvCfKOT/XWQWWMdqZjSVgt6PHBSg13ayo2C90iS/cFszZgcb3w4wrH8jz0Boeh1vwUAaagH1s9VPDeC7xEQ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:08:50 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Next Gen Segway? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I am having trouble with your links . . . This one works: http://www.segway.com/centaur/ On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:01:22 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: > Neat! > > Want one! > > Michael J. > > http://wm.segway.na-central.speedera.net/wm.segway.na-central/conceptcentaur.wmv > > Or here... > > http://tinyurl.com/6j5qa > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 15 13:20:01 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Aaron Maurer'" , Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Next Gen Segway? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:19:50 -0400 Yeah that works. Where is everyone? -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer [mailto:amaurer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:09 AM To: Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Next Gen Segway? I am having trouble with your links . . . This one works: http://www.segway.com/centaur/ On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:01:22 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: > Neat! > > Want one! > > Michael J. > > http://wm.segway.na-central.speedera.net/wm.segway.na-central/conceptcentaur .wmv > > Or here... > > http://tinyurl.com/6j5qa > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 16 13:44:31 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fDPDUBBCNiuBO1tRxZ23hmrvVuGA9NWzMubGCpuIArE3NXv9xDV+0dBtEYHGdOFGG8HzsgyaG1DKgOW+H5wI203ybmly/+aDYaOpHkXXdFpLq0fGSll+GEHFZm7b99fnE92R8CQbuQkFq63tHaQ8k0A1M04V4ai1IMdK67YNqxY Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:44:22 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lost link A while back there was a link to a guy who's website showed the result of a minor crash when he took a short ride without protective gear - lotsa road rash pics etc. Does anyone remember or have that link? One of my co-workers needs to make a point to his 13 year old kids. TIA Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 07:51:29 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Michael Jordan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lost link Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:51:18 -0400 I got it. I went for a short ride yesterday and saw a guy in a suv hit two deer and splatter them all over the road. It was nasty! I guess its deer season again. Oh well hear is your link. http://www.cmyoung.com/bikewreck.html -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lost link A while back there was a link to a guy who's website showed the result of a minor crash when he took a short ride without protective gear - lotsa road rash pics etc. Does anyone remember or have that link? One of my co-workers needs to make a point to his 13 year old kids. TIA Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 10:09:07 2004 Subject: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:08:48 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I would like to thank Jay Goddard of motorcycleleatherexchange.com for kindly setting me up with some pants to fit my Vanson jacket. These are all leather with keprotec stretch panels on the thighs and legs. You have a choice of foam or GP hard armor for the knees and velcro for racing pucks. Three zipper panels join the pants to my Cobra II jacket almost making a suit. I felt funny putting on the first leather pants I have ever worn. Not much room for the jewels and tight. They fit my waist so of I walked with Size 34's. Of course, could not wait to go riding with them Saturday. On the bike, I felt a little awkward. Getting my feet on the pegs was more of a hoisting motion than a smooth lift. I felt perched atop my bike as opposed to part of it. Took the pants on a jaunt to ride around the Baltimore beltway. The GP knee armor put pressure on my knees and I still felt a little awkward although being able to slide on your seat was fun. I no where near felt like trying to hang off. I was running late and I noticed this huge black cloud complete with flickering lightning in the distance. I calculated my odds, made it to the Pulaski highway exit and KA-BOOM..it was time to torture test my new gear in a hail storm. Hail and sharp winds reminded me of being on skates. I tried seeking shelter at a drive-in window but there was no way hungry Baltimoreans were letting me through so I took the hail helmet on. Legs were okay despite some dampness around the stretch panels. On the 95 south it was pouring rain and high winds all the way. Made it home only having to avoid one car in my rear view with four wheels locked doing a slide. Looking forward to a track day with questions. If the GP armor puts too much pressure on my knees should I move it up or down the leg? (attached with velcro). What about the hip pads, if I move them forward or back towards my seat what is the result? Does anyone have tips on placing sliders..mine are rectangular..where do they go in relation to the knee? I guess I need to break the pants in as I don't feel connected to the bike when I wear them. I have trouble feeling the tank between my knees and feel like the pants force me to sit 'higher'. I also have trouble putting my feet up at traffic lights and the pants are tight enough so that leg movement such as hanging off would be a challenge. I need to get adjusted to these things so any tips would be appreciated. Here they are for those interested: http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/new_vanson_pants.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 11:20:27 2004 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:20:11 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants At 10:08 AM 10/18/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >I guess I need to break the pants in as I don't feel connected to the >bike when I wear them. I have trouble feeling the tank between my knees >and feel like the pants force me to sit 'higher'. I also have trouble >putting my feet up at traffic lights and the pants are tight enough so >that leg movement such as hanging off would be a challenge. I don't know how different it is with a sport bike, but when I switch to the leather pants for cold weather on the Harley it takes a little getting used to. There is another layer there, so you are slightly higher (1/2" at most, but it's noticeable), and the need to bend and lift the leather does change the effort required to get your feet up off the ground when you take off. Assuming that the pants actually fit properly though, you should get used to it in a ride or two. It's a matter of building a little extra muscle (maybe) and retraining your automatic systems to expect and allow for the extra effort required, and to look for more subtle sensations so you again feel "connected" with the bike. About the time you are back to feeling normal it's time to add the longjohns... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 11:35:15 2004 Subject: RE: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:35:10 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Nice gear... Some day I'll get me a full set of leathers. Anyway, my leather jacket and boots are much stiffer when it's cold. You might find that they tend to soften up a bit and be a bit more flexible when it's a tad warmer. That might help iron out some of the concerns you have about the fit and hopefully will remove the feeling of "fighting" the pants. I don't know if all leather is like this, but my Firstgear jacket gets REALLY stiff when it's cold. Let me know if you see the same effect. I'd be interested to know, as it may change some of my winter purchases. --smthng > I would like to thank Jay Goddard of > motorcycleleatherexchange.com for kindly setting me up with > some pants to fit my Vanson jacket. These are all leather > with keprotec stretch panels on the thighs and legs. You > have a choice of foam or GP hard armor for the knees and > velcro for racing pucks. Three zipper panels join the pants > to my Cobra II jacket almost making a suit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 12:06:13 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:05:48 -0400 Wear the pants a lot. Wear them around the house, wear them to work and be cool. Leather has the amazing ability to mold itself to your body, so these pants will have the best fit you can imagine after a little break in. Good Luck. LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Julian Halton asked: I need to get adjusted to these things so any tips would be appreciated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 12:21:57 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=lY/8sBosIAqGxq1o6EJcEILmvaddPZVRAkP8md119S/4ONThKjh1sORscVLjeN5+/RXGvfsSUMuHegHmgxZ8Yd9bzR8VFbgBPPqpnKGC+679sLwxp3i/lHYdqRB6FZ3SpAvzmiQ1OPGLjr4HNmlJJ3fvnCgxi9H8+g70AotNTcA Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:21:54 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Subject: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? Cc: DC Cycles > > Have YOU contacted VDOT - officially? > > Started this before lunch, just finished and sent it. Will follow up > tomorrow morning with a phone call. Quick update... drove in on Fox Mill this morning (caged it). Gravel is still piled in places, but slowly being dispersed to the sides (I try to "help" this process by driving out of the regular wheel tracks whenever possible in the cage). But... I did recieve a response from VDOT. I won't quote it, but it basically said that my email was being forwarded to the Transportation Operations Manager at the area headquarters for that area for review and response, along with a couple of phone numbers to follow up on if I don't get a response (it was obviously a reply from a real person, not automated). In the short term, I imagine the effect will be minimal, but hopefuly it will be one more stick on the fire in the larger picture of getting VDOT to consider us two-wheeler types. :) --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 12:36:17 2004 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:36:11 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? That chipping occurred on Birdsfoot / Stuarts Mill as well on Friday. I saw a car slide in it as he entered a corner, and figured I had better watch out. The stones stuck with me for a quarter mile, flinging up into my headlight; but the oil didn't seem to cause any major issues. Friday was an interesting ride home. I found out that my winter pants aren't waterproof in the crotch, and my rain pants aren't big enough to fit over the winter bibs. I was chilled to the bone. At 12:21 PM 10/18/2004, smthng else wrote: >Quick update... drove in on Fox Mill this morning (caged it). Gravel >is still piled in places, but slowly being dispersed to the sides (I >try to "help" this process by driving out of the regular wheel tracks >whenever possible in the cage). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 12:43:50 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=o3oNWJ+qM9YEJEgRfKDFJjG27F1O5bb1g7MEnLKkFumqSymdPgM1W6qYcEYb9SYFSN2WrIukr1U1TptJ6x6J9wGFhLcqAR1wgSvhQoaaIVraFCFg408R9GMcRyguIgI2nC6FJJjjXXLVQ8v8aQVmjPQ6KBsBofhG1r/YUBRhSDU Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:43:43 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Next Gen Segway? Cc: Aaron Maurer , Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On the Segway thread, I saw a whole gaggle of tourists on Segways Sunday, on the national mall. Seemed to be a pretty good way to get around, considering the distances between sights, but I'm not sure how you lock one of them up at a stop. Personally, I think it's a sad trend, most of us don't get enough exercise anyway. It makes me cringe to see all the neighborhood kids riding around in little electric Hummers and Jeeps, muscles atrophying when they should be growing... Bleahh. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 13:42:36 2004 From: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:42:26 -0400 > > From: smthng else > Date: 2004/10/18 Mon PM 12:21:54 EDT > To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > CC: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? > > > > Have YOU contacted VDOT - officially? > > > > Started this before lunch, just finished and sent it. Will follow up > > tomorrow morning with a phone call. > > > Quick update... drove in on Fox Mill this morning (caged it). Gravel > is still piled in places, but slowly being dispersed to the sides (I > try to "help" this process by driving out of the regular wheel tracks > whenever possible in the cage). > > But... I did recieve a response from VDOT. > > I won't quote it, but it basically said that my email was being > forwarded to the Transportation Operations Manager at the area > headquarters for that area for review and response, along with a > couple of phone numbers to follow up on if I don't get a response (it > was obviously a reply from a real person, not automated). > > In the short term, I imagine the effect will be minimal, but hopefuly > it will be one more stick on the fire in the larger picture of getting > VDOT to consider us two-wheeler types. :) > > --smthng > > in the FWIW dept, I've email VDOT twice. Once on a signal light that was on short cycle during rush hour and another time on a intersection that no longer (it used to) sense motorycles to change the light. On both occassions, I received a very nice email that it was being escalated to management and within a day or two I received email that they have investigated my complaint and took action...and when I checked both times, they indeed did fix both problems. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 13:55:23 2004 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:52:28 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants At 11:35 AM 10/18/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >"fighting" the pants. I don't know if all leather is like this, but my >Firstgear jacket gets REALLY stiff when it's cold. Let me know if you >see the same effect. I'd be interested to know, as it may change some >of my winter purchases. I never noticed anything like that with my jacket or pants (or with my non-moto leather coats)...but that may just be due to my noticing the temperature and weight more than stiffness. I'll try to pay attention to that in the coming months and see. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 14:01:03 2004 Subject: RE: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:00:54 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" > in the FWIW dept, I've email VDOT twice. Once on a signal > light that was on short cycle during rush hour and another > time on a intersection that no longer (it used to) sense > motorycles to change the light. > > On both occassions, I received a very nice email that it was > being escalated to management and within a day or two I > received email that they have investigated my complaint and > took action...and when I checked both times, they indeed did > fix both problems. Schweet! Nice to know that there's still a government agency out there that listens to it's taxpayers for a change. I'll let you know if I hear anything else from them. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 18 18:08:19 2004 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:08:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton I would like to thank Jay Goddard of motorcycleleatherexchange.com for kindly setting me up with some pants to fit my Vanson jacket. ... .... I guess I need to break the pants in as I don't feel connected to the bike when I wear them. I have trouble feeling the tank between my knees and feel like the pants force me to sit 'higher'. I also have trouble putting my feet up at traffic lights and the pants are tight enough so that leg movement such as hanging off would be a challenge. I need to get adjusted to these things so any tips would be appreciated. Here they are for those interested: http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/new_vanson_pants.html ---------- As Linda said, riding gear, and leather goods in particular, will get more conforming and better-fitting with wearing. I'd trust Jay's expertise to give you a good fit. Think of that favorite pair of shoes, or riding boots, and how much better they fit once broken in. You might invest in a tank cover to get a better grip and "one-ness" with the bike. Not being stuck the seat is not such a bad thing, btw, when it comes to weight shifting. Some folks use baby powder to lessen seat adhesion. Back from West Virginia and a slightly soggy trip to Bridge Day down at the New River. Yesterday was beautiful, though, and colors were at their peak at higher elevations. There was a dusting of snow on the ground on WV 15 east of Webster Springs and it was cold overnight. A nice thick layer of ice and frost on the bikes yesterday morning. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 10:48:14 2004 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:46:38 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: PWC Benefit Ride Sunday This ride is 2 minutes from my home. See you there. ------------------------- Benefit ride to aid paralyzed teenager Potomac News Tuesday, October 19, 2004 A motorcycle benefit ride will be held Sunday for a Woodbridge teenager who was paralyzed over the summer in a dirt bike accident. Friends of Logan Lourenzo are inviting motorcycle enthusiasts out to Buckhall Fire Station on Yates Ford Road to participate in the one-hour ride along country roads beginning at noon. The cost to riders is $20. All proceeds from the event will go toward the fund to help equip the Lourenzo home so it can accommodate 14-year-old Logan's wheelchair. Logan was riding a dirt bike with some friends in June near his home when he went over a dirt mount not realizing that there was a steep drop on the other side. The accident left Logan with a spinal cord injury that has paralyzed him from the middle of his chest down. The ride is set to begin at 1 p.m. Non-riders also are encouraged to come out and compete for prizes from area sponsors as well as enjoy the food and beverages provided. The festivities will begin at 2 p.m. For more information, contact Ginger Spice at (703) 497-4156 or Bill Cramsey at (703) 967-3323. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 10:59:34 2004 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:59:24 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: OT -- bed needed I realize this is OT, but I'm in a slightly desparate position. my wife of 15 years and I are separated because I'm emotionally unsupportive, and it's my fault she fucked my best friend of 20 years for the past three years. I've got a roof, but little else. I'm currently sleeping on an air mattress (beats the floor by a longshot) but I need a bed and a dresser. oh yeah... I'm broke, and I don't have a truck to move anything (yet -- need to get a battery) and I live in Winchester. can anyone hook a brotha up? so far, 2004 is **sucking ass** --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 13:30:56 2004 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:30:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: OT -- bed needed To: Skip , DC Cycles Boy Skip, that sucks ass. I'll buy year a beer at the next bike night. I've got a bed frame/headboard you can have but it a single. Not mattress to go with it. Glenn --- Skip wrote: > I realize this is OT, but I'm in a slightly > desparate position. > > my wife of 15 years and I are separated because I'm > emotionally > unsupportive, and it's my fault she fucked my best > friend of 20 years > for the past three years. > > I've got a roof, but little else. I'm currently > sleeping on an air > mattress (beats the floor by a longshot) but I need > a bed and a > dresser. > > oh yeah... I'm broke, and I don't have a truck to > move anything (yet -- > need to get a battery) and I live in Winchester. > > > > can anyone hook a brotha up? > > > > so far, 2004 is **sucking ass** > > > --skip > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 14:34:01 2004 Subject: {{SPAM}} MOTO/TRAILER/Household Items FOR SALE//HOUSE FOR RENT Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:32:48 -0400 From: "Ayers Nelson TSgt AFPCA/COMS" To: Sorry, but military orders forcing sale/rent. Pack-out end of next week! See website, please. 1998 Kawsaki Ninja ZX6E, dark forest green, excellent cond, 2nd owner, 1/2 tank bra, BT020 shoes, 3-bag GIVI system with sportbike mounts, have all original hook hardware, garage-kept, MSF instructor operator Worth over $5200. Asking for $4200 obo. Single-rail galvanized moto trailer, like new tires, bearings greased regularly, 4-pin harness, lights work, tows great, added $450 worth of welded steel for cross-bar, eyebolts and footing, 1&7/8" ball. Worth over $900. Asking $600obo. House for rent, stuff for sale, 2 cars for sale, etc. www.ellenayers.com THANKS for shopping! Neil From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 17:23:56 2004 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT -- bed needed On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Skip wrote: > I've got a roof, but little else. I'm currently sleeping on an air > mattress (beats the floor by a longshot) but I need a bed and a > dresser. > > oh yeah... I'm broke, and I don't have a truck to move anything (yet -- > need to get a battery) and I live in Winchester. Skip, I'm sorry to hear of your situation. I've got a sofa table (sits behind a sofa), living room chair, corner desk and headboard/footboard for a twin bed. I already promised the mattress/boxspring to another family member, but if you're in a bind I'll just give you the whole bed with mattress and boxspring (sounds like you need it more than they do). Let me know what you need, they are free for you to pick up. I work from home, so anytime is good for me. Good luck! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 22:04:16 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Great safety accessory! Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:03:46 -0400 This could be fun attached to the bike. Of course, its use may cause more distraction... http://g.msn.com/0MNBUS00/2?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6272681&&CM=EmailThis&CE=1 Too bad that it is: a) Expensive and b) Illegal for private use... Perry _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 22:21:36 2004 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:20:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! At 10:03 PM 10/19/2004, Perry Coleman wrote: >Too bad that it is: > >a) Expensive >and >b) Illegal for private use... Working for a cellular/wi-fi telecom company, I could investigate making these inexpensively and 12v powered ;-) ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org IM: mtroutma@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 22:22:06 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:21:42 -0400 About pants that grab and bind - if it doesn't feel good, try a slick layer underneath. Like lycra bicycle pants, thin dive suit, or slick jogging suit. Or, dast I say, sheer pantyhose. Amazing the comfort these can bring - in both sweating and cool conditions. A note about powder - the latest MCN has a letter describing bad effects of talc in female sitting areas next to skin. Seems there are recognized adverse reactions. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Prefer tires that bind. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Paul Wilson From: Julian Halton . . .snip I also have trouble putting my feet up at traffic lights and the pants are tight enough so that leg movement such as hanging off would be a challenge. I need to get adjusted to these things so any tips would be appreciated. . . .snip ---------- As Linda said, riding gear, and leather goods in particular, will get more conforming and better-fitting with wearing. I'd trust Jay's expertise to give you a good fit. Think of that favorite pair of shoes, or riding boots, and how much better they fit once broken in. You might invest in a tank cover to get a better grip and "one-ness" with the bike. Not being stuck the seat is not such a bad thing, btw, when it comes to weight shifting. Some folks use baby powder to lessen seat adhesion. . . .snip Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 22:32:38 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Next Gen Segway? Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:32:16 -0400 Found the pounds creeping up lately. Have substituted bicycle and workout time for some riding. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Yeah. I noticed that extra load (grunt). Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Robert . . .snip Personally, I think it's a sad trend, most of us don't get enough exercise anyway. It makes me cringe to see all the neighborhood kids riding around in little electric Hummers and Jeeps, muscles atrophying when they should be growing... Bleahh. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 19 22:47:51 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: VDOT - What's a motorcycle? Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:47:41 -0400 Aki Damme Opined -- > From: smthng else . . .snip > But... I did recieve a response from VDOT. > > I won't quote it, but it basically said that my email was being > forwarded to the Transportation Operations Manager at the area > headquarters for that area for review and response, along with a > couple of phone numbers to follow up on if I don't get a response (it > was obviously a reply from a real person, not automated). > > In the short term, I imagine the effect will be minimal, but hopefuly > it will be one more stick on the fire in the larger picture of getting > VDOT to consider us two-wheeler types. :) > > --smthng > > in the FWIW dept, I've email VDOT twice. Once on a signal light that was on short cycle during rush hour and another time on a intersection that no longer (it used to) sense motorycles to change the light. On both occassions, I received a very nice email that it was being escalated to management and within a day or two I received email that they have investigated my complaint and took action...and when I checked both times, they indeed did fix both problems. -aki ********* MDOT was responsive to me recently about a signage suggestion on 695. Haven't been back to check on a remedy but several constructive emails went back and forth. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Dashing off thoughts to DOTs? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 08:14:22 2004 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:14:16 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Too bad that it is: >> >>a) Expensive >>and >>b) Illegal for private use... > >Working for a cellular/wi-fi telecom company, I could >investigate making these inexpensively and 12v powered ;-) [Dave] Yeah, let us know ;-) As Satan's advocate, I should point out that you should carefully consider the evil you create, with the evil that you destroy... Picture, if you will, said brain dead cager, piloting their assault vehicle at a normal rate of speed while holding an engrossing conversation. Now, all of a sudden, they roll up next to you and ... "Hello?"... "Is this thing ON?"... "What. Ever"... The whole time, completely ignoring the road as they play out a deadly game of "bumper cars" until they get that signal back... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 08:17:58 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:17:49 EDT Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX They must already be able to be portable. "Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, e ven though their use is illegal." With a 100' radius, one of these portable devices should be easy to install on a bike and shut people down. ;-) Might be worth checking into. Scooter (Signal Lost) In a message dated 10/19/2004 10:21:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: At 10:03 PM 10/19/2004, Perry Coleman wrote: >Too bad that it is: > >a) Expensive >and >b) Illegal for private use... Working for a cellular/wi-fi telecom company, I could investigate making these inexpensively and 12v powered ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 08:21:05 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:20:51 EDT Subject: Re: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX I've actually been using Under Armour gear under my leathers. You can buy them at just about any sporting goods store or online. _www.underarmour.com_ (http://www.underarmour.com) . Their Cold Gear and Heat Gear products work GREAT. IMHO of course. :-) Scooter In a message dated 10/19/2004 10:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: About pants that grab and bind - if it doesn't feel good, try a slick layer underneath. Like lycra bicycle pants, thin dive suit, or slick jogging suit. Or, dast I say, sheer pantyhose. Amazing the comfort these can bring - in both sweating and cool conditions. A note about powder - the latest MCN has a letter describing bad effects of talc in female sitting areas next to skin. Seems there are recognized adverse reactions. Bill S. / DC (on digest) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 08:53:55 2004 Subject: RE: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:53:53 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > I've actually been using Under Armour gear under my leathers. > You can buy them at just about any sporting goods store or > online. _www.underarmour.com_ > (http://www.underarmour.com) . Their Cold Gear and Heat > Gear products work > GREAT. IMHO of course. :-) > > Scooter I can vouch for that too, BUT... I'd highly recommend going to store and trying them on first. I have some of the Underarmour stuff that are medium and fit fine. I have some others, also medium, that are WAY too tight. It seems that they haven't quite figured out sizing for different lines of their clothing yet. Good stuff, but I'd recommend not ordering until you KNOW it's the right size. --smthng Got the call last night - FJR is on a truck from California and should be ready in two weeks! Wh00p! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 10:50:54 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=a0SrzaJpy/wg1mak46z/Icg6eBU0ckfeYB2zzJ7K64gvYy1D/Q4VX963rhKnEM54O9VTBnfcW856vp/P3InTVMS+kvHMhbjqI19c2Z+XHcBmoptCDAYtflA7sIXQbHK9prxk7PmqgqHTVnl09lMf5EcFYirVBWOp+kUNByPlM38 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:50:51 -0400 From: Sunil Doshi Reply-To: Sunil Doshi To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Passenger riding My wife rides with me about half the time. I'm pretty lazy about taking the preload back to a lower setting when I'm riding solo. I kind of enjoy the handling I get out of the stiffer suspension. Should I really be taking it down when I'm not riding with her? -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 11:05:12 2004 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:04:57 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! At 08:17 AM 10/20/04 EDT, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >With a 100' radius, one of these portable devices should be easy to install >on a bike and shut people down. ;-) Might be worth checking into. While you are checking on things, check into the FCC's regulations. They don't usually like devices that interfere with public use of the airwaves, don't have much of a sense of humor and do have really big fines when they find violators of their regulations (if you thought a reckless driving fine was big...). Just waiting until terrorists start using these things to suppress calls for help...Flight 93 would have turned out very different if the comms had been jammed... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 11:55:22 2004 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:54:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [Dave] Yeah, let us know ;-) As Satan's advocate, I should point out that you should carefully consider the evil you create, with the evil that you destroy... Picture, if you will, said brain dead cager, piloting their assault vehicle at a normal rate of speed while holding an engrossing conversation. Now, all of a sudden, they roll up next to you and ... "Hello?"... "Is this thing ON?"... "What. Ever"... The whole time, completely ignoring the road as they play out a deadly game of "bumper cars" until they get that signal back... ----- Yup, as Yates says, beware of the law of unintended consequences rearing its ugly head. Imagine all the addled cell-phoning road royals within 100' going ballistic as their calls suddenly end. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 13:09:37 2004 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:09:31 -0400 From: Skip To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! Paul Wilson wrote: > Yup, as Yates says, beware of the law of unintended consequences rearing its ugly head. Imagine all the addled cell-phoning road royals within 100' going ballistic as their calls suddenly end. however, compare and contrast that with my wry grin of satisfaction. true, people would be looking to see if they had signal and therefor not looking at the road, but when they're looking at the road on their cell, how much are they really seeing? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 13:21:50 2004 From: To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:21:23 -0400 > > From: "W.S." > Date: 2004/10/19 Tue PM 10:21:42 EDT > To: "DC-Cycles" > Subject: Re: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants > Or, dast I say, sheer pantyhose. Amazing the comfort these can bring > - in both sweating and cool conditions. > ...uh ok..I'll just take your word on *that*! ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 14:25:04 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=C5f2mKwbtHkha/EIjvOtsRBz005sktE3sgbPAlc5FHgCJPT+pHVyUmtfPrMWkx/XJQHOC5C8ZIS384RHGfyIdAb/F8GTfqaddFbOp3stJBI9Yn1wDmLgnxKqB1x+LL/03+0mAqrih1BRig8gcr15BES0E8OweVUPBLZnM+SR9mg Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:24:51 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mstark@XXXXXX, Thomas Jordan , Sean Jordan Subject: Fwd: [LDRider] Wear your protective clothing! Ouch! Indeed! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: teamconfuzed@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:46:37 EDT Subject: [LDRider] Wear your protective clothing! To: ldrider@XXXXXX Here's a really good example of why we should wear protective clothing as often as possible. Can we say "painful skids marks?" Ouch! http://www.fototime.com/DF07854F8C0F122/standard.jpg ~~~~~ --PirateJohn-- Directeur Sportif, Team Confuzed _______________________________________________ http://ibdone.org/mailman/options/ldrider_ibdone.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 14:51:26 2004 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:51:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Advice on ordering Harley part No, I haven't come to my senses and joined the Motor Company faithful. :) Turns out the KLR six-fitty and certain Harley models use the same carb, the Keihin CVK40. The choke cable on my KLR has gone all wonky and won't fully release. (Suspect internal corrosion.) Harley sells a shorter choke cable (p/n 29229-88C) that is an easy and more reliable plug and play mod on the KLR. It's also more durable than the handlebar mounted Kawi original should you experience an off-road dumpola. So, any leads on the local H-D dealers or on-line parts houses? My googling has proved fruitless on the latter. It's not an expensive part, but I don't wanna get gouged either. TIA, Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 16:05:56 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:05:44 EDT Subject: Re: Gear and WEATHER review: Vanson technical pants To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Actually, I think each line is meant to fit differently due to the materials used in each. The summer (Heat Gear) fits different than the winter (Cold Gear) because the Cold Gear has a couple extra layers to it. Either way, you're right, go try it on first. Scooter In a message dated 10/20/2004 8:54:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jkalmes@XXXXXX writes: > I've actually been using Under Armour gear under my leathers. > You can buy them at just about any sporting goods store or > online. _www.underarmour.com_ > (http://www.underarmour.com) . Their Cold Gear and Heat > Gear products work > GREAT. IMHO of course. :-) > > Scooter I can vouch for that too, BUT... I'd highly recommend going to store and trying them on first. I have some of the Underarmour stuff that are medium and fit fine. I have some others, also medium, that are WAY too tight. It seems that they haven't quite figured out sizing for different lines of their clothing yet. Good stuff, but I'd recommend not ordering until you KNOW it's the right size. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 16:39:36 2004 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:38:59 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Advice on ordering Harley part At 02:51 PM 10/20/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >So, any leads on the local H-D dealers or on-line parts houses? My googling has proved fruitless on the latter. > >It's not an expensive part, but I don't wanna get gouged either. I suspect the H-D dealers will all have roughly the same prices, but you can check Battley's (Rockville H-D), Patriot, Frederick, Annapolis, Waugh and Ft. Washington if you like. (Did I leave any of the localish ones out?) In addition to the dealers, there's MDO Modern Cycles in Gaithersburg...they sell lots of H-D compatible stuff...don't know if they go through the dealers for authentic H-D parts or not. If you want 3rd party parts, J&P is one of the big names in catalog sales, and they seem to have a decent rep. http://www.jpcycles.com/index.aspx -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 20 18:12:17 2004 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:11:26 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Advice on ordering Harley part Paul - We take care of one of the managers of Mike's HD (HUGE mid-atlantic Harley joint) for track days (on his 600RR ;) ) ... I can prob get you that part at a reasonable price. I can call him tomorrow if you'd like. - Roach ------- http://www.speedwerks.com - The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs -- DC-Cycles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 00:08:06 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:09:37 -0400 From: corey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: traffic court... is it worth going? X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: i was the lucky recipient of a speeding ticket a month ago for 21mph over in a 40mph zone. (burke center parkway). my plan was to take next tuesday off work and head over to court to attempt to plead my ticket down to the 10-19mph over range, citing the downhill slope and my good driving record as reason. well, i got a copy of my driving record in, and it's not as good as i'd hoped. i had an 81 in a 55 alllllllmost 5 years ago. in fact, it comes off my record a month after my court date. now i'm wondering if i should even bother going to court? with that sucker still on the books, is there any chance it will get knocked down? have any of you had similar experiences? thanks, Corey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 06:22:51 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, corey wrote: > now i'm wondering if i should even bother going to court? with that > sucker still on the books, is there any chance it will get knocked down? > have any of you had similar experiences? I received a ticket for 82 in a 55 in 2001. I went to court with a clean record and it was reduced to 64 in a 55, what I thought was a 1 point violation. I got a ticket earlier this year for 75 in a 55 and after postponing the ticket a few times, went to court a few weeks ago. When I went in front of the judge, I asked for a reduction based on my clean driving record. He asked, 'how clean?'. I told him I was stopped in '01 for speeding. He punched a few keys on his computer and asked me, 'are you sure?'. I told him I may have been mistaken about the date (I'm sure it was '01, based on the car I was driving at the time). He told me my record was clean and I got a PBJ. :-) If you're worried about the ticket still being on your record, you could postpone your court date for a few months. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 08:04:00 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:03:50 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >driving record. He asked, 'how clean?'. I told him I was >stopped in '01 for speeding. He punched a few keys on his >computer and asked me, 'are you sure?'. I told him I may >have been mistaken about the date (I'm sure it was '01, >based on the car I was driving at the time). He told me my >record was clean and I got a PBJ. :-) [Dave] 20 over, and you get a sandwich? Wayne & I agree on one thing - GET A CONTINUANCE. NOW! After procuring your first continuance, hit up the DCC archive for 'traffic lawyer', we've had several recommendations here. GET A LAWYER if you value being able to get auto insurance! The real threat to you, in my opinion, is the ability for you to procure and afford auto/moto insurance after the ticket. Generally speaking, insurers around here will absorb 1 speeding ticket, or accident. Above that, your rates go up, or you get cancelled, depending on the company. Sometimes they will "decline to renew" you so that you won't have such a hard time finding a new insurer. It makes all the difference. Almost 10 years ago I got a VASCAR ticket for 70 in a 55 2 months shy of 3 years clean (MD expungement time period). I got a lawyer for $300, he plead my violation down to "improper equipment" - a conviction, with no moving violation association (NC). Since that's what counts for a MD expungement, I took it, with a close to $200 fine & costs. So, for $500, I was still ok. I went to MVA the Monday after the lawyer secured my deal (he went to court on Friday). Pulled my record and there it was. I sent in my expungement paperwork. 3 weeks later MVA expunged my record, I got a copy and started shopping for insurance. I went from over 2 thousand a year for full coverage to less than 1000 / year for full coverage with higher limits and lower deductibles. You do the math. HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 08:23:26 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? To: corey , dc-cycles@XXXXXX it is definitely worth going first, request a postponement.... the get your speedo calibrated, attack the evidence, etc. --- corey wrote: > i was the lucky recipient of a speeding ticket a month > ago for 21mph > over in a 40mph zone. > (burke center parkway). my plan was to take next tuesday > off work and > head over to court to attempt to plead my ticket down to > the 10-19mph > over range, citing the downhill slope and my good driving > record as reason. > > well, i got a copy of my driving record in, and it's not > as good as i'd > hoped. i had an 81 in a 55 alllllllmost 5 years ago. in > fact, it comes > off my record a month after my court date. > > now i'm wondering if i should even bother going to court? > with that > sucker still on the books, is there any chance it will > get knocked down? > have any of you had similar experiences? > > thanks, > Corey > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 09:00:49 2004 From: Laurie Holland To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: traffic court... is it worth going? Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:02:01 -0400 Or, you can do what I did and hope that they will offer a DIC (Driver Improvement Course) which you can take for about $75 (or somewhere around there) online or at an approved facility and the ticket is then dropped. At the time I went, I had an accident on my record w/ points, but I was courteous to the officer when he pulled me over and he had no problem w/ me taking the course. Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates Wayne & I agree on one thing - GET A CONTINUANCE. NOW! It makes all the difference. Almost 10 years ago I got a VASCAR ticket for 70 in a 55 2 months shy of 3 years clean (MD expungement time period). I got a lawyer for $300, he plead my violation down to "improper equipment" - a conviction, with no moving violation association (NC). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 09:44:10 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:44:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? At 12:09 AM 10/21/2004, corey wrote: >i was the lucky recipient of a speeding ticket a month ago for 21mph over >in a 40mph zone. Did he mention or write down reckless? If so, you have to go to court, you can't just pay it. Just before VA started cracking down hard on speeders, I got caught doing 82 in a 55 on the beltway. It was reckless driving under VA law. I went to court without a lawyer, plead my case and my clean driving record got the fine reduced to 19 over (like a $250 fine), but the judge cautioned me that if I had not had positive points on my record, I might have lost my license for a year and seen a huge fine. Keep in mind this was BEFORE they started cracking down. Get vaccinated, then pick up a lawyer (you never know what diseases they may be carrying). Everyone hates them until they need them, then they loathe them. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 09:44:17 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:44:14 -0400 From: corey Reply-To: corey To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: traffic court... is it worth going? X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Tom - Thanks for the advice. FYI, the officer didn't charge me with reckless, just a 20+ mph over ticket. I'm all for doing everything I can to lessen my points, but I'm curious what calibrating my speedometer would do. I know for a fact that it's around 5% slow at speeds above 50mph, so I doubt that would help my case. And as far as attacking the evidence goes, that's where I'm having most of my problems. They got me. Standing on the sidewalk, they nailed me with a handheld gun from about 1/4 mile away. I guess I just don't see many holes in their evidence. Thanks again for helping out. BTW, I'm on digest... so please copy me directly on reply ---------------------- corey _____________________________________________ Thursday, October 21, 2004, 8:23:17 AM, Gimer wrote: TG> it is definitely worth going TG> first, request a postponement.... the get your speedo TG> calibrated, attack the evidence, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 09:48:00 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ANY 6-point ticket you have to go to court for regardless if it says reckless or not. Meaning a 20 over ticket you'll need to go to court. Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > > Did he mention or write down reckless? If so, you > have to go to court, you > can't just pay it. Just before VA started cracking > down hard on speeders, > I got caught doing 82 in a 55 on the beltway. It > was reckless driving > under VA law. I went to court without a lawyer, > plead my case and my > clean driving record got the fine reduced to 19 > over (like a $250 fine), > but the judge cautioned me that if I had not had > positive points on my > record, I might have lost my license for a year and > seen a huge fine. Keep > in mind this was BEFORE they started cracking down. > > Get vaccinated, then pick up a lawyer (you never > know what diseases they > may be carrying). Everyone hates them until they > need them, then they > loathe them. > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 10:39:21 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FUprp1/oRJT6ctlCd9CQxY2f5F2KXvHXUvbvYs16l9uu8RGKGloXUvRH1iYkBPL/RXLiP6bLJvNpRKOJsw0K5/RxaHM4K8IQdSCBWv/SfBsl6TjYspMsIgbOB4Cl/UrJ+xygi7kC2XlYywbo7O5BN8QglICR79KX6aRxT1rgCLs= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:39:13 -0400 From: Sunil Doshi Reply-To: Sunil Doshi To: corey Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Corey, As everyone said, file a continuance. Then go to court and get it reduced to less miles over the speed limit. Many courts don't mind doing it as long as you're frothing with regret. Third, take the online traffic class (http://www.trafficschoolonline.com/). It will add 5 "safe driving" to your record. I did all these things when I got my second ticket in 6 months last year. My main concern was an insurance rate hike, and that didn't happen. I'm convinced it has to do with the measures I took. On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:09:37 -0400, corey wrote: > i was the lucky recipient of a speeding ticket a month ago for 21mph > over in a 40mph zone. > (burke center parkway). my plan was to take next tuesday off work and > head over to court to attempt to plead my ticket down to the 10-19mph > over range, citing the downhill slope and my good driving record as reason. > > well, i got a copy of my driving record in, and it's not as good as i'd > hoped. i had an 81 in a 55 alllllllmost 5 years ago. in fact, it comes > off my record a month after my court date. > > now i'm wondering if i should even bother going to court? with that > sucker still on the books, is there any chance it will get knocked down? > have any of you had similar experiences? > > thanks, > Corey > > -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 10:55:18 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:55:15 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Cell phone jammer followup As it turns out, you can easily build one for yourself at about $150. Or more easily, pick one up online for $189 GBP : http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/Personal.htm 15 meter bubble of solitude. Of course you all are right - it would probably make driving more dangerous, but it might make dining and movies more pleasurable. Now if I can just find a device that turns on driver's headlights in the rain and forces them to put out their cigarette on their thighs instead of tossing them out the window. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 11:08:26 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:08:15 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sunil advises: >Then go to court and get it reduced to less miles over the >speed limit. Many courts don't mind doing it as long as >you're frothing with regret. [Dave] Just a word to the wise. A conviction for a moving violation is still a conviction. That can happen in one of 2 ways. 1: You plead guilty. 2: You plead not guilty and are convicted anyway. In option 1, you have zero chance of avoiding a conviction, in option 2, at least you have a chance. Your chances improve with the amount of effort you put into it. If you are successful in pleading to a non moving violation, then your financial impact will be minimized. However, you will not be able to tell the next officer that detains you that you have a clean record, and you will obviously be less likely to get a warning. Pleading to a "Lesser moving violation" should be a last resort because you lost your job, have zero way to pay for a lawyer, and you've become totally unlikable as a person with no ability to convince someone that you are worthy of their mercy. Always angle for a non moving violation conviction, if need be, offer up to double the fine. If that fails, let your lawyer do the talking. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 11:14:18 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Troutman'" , "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone jammer followup Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:14:13 -0400 That's $363 delivered. The prices are not in USD. Where did you see the plans to build one? -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:55 AM To: dc Cycles Subject: Cell phone jammer followup As it turns out, you can easily build one for yourself at about $150. Or more easily, pick one up online for $189 GBP : http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/Personal.htm 15 meter bubble of solitude. Of course you all are right - it would probably make driving more dangerous, but it might make dining and movies more pleasurable. Now if I can just find a device that turns on driver's headlights in the rain and forces them to put out their cigarette on their thighs instead of tossing them out the window. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 12:04:15 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:04:07 -0400 not true. I was hit with 21 over the speed limit in Loudon cty a couple of years ago and because it wasn't listed a reckless, only had to pay a $120 mail in fine. -aki > > From: Glenn Dysart > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu AM 09:47:48 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? > > ANY 6-point ticket you have to go to court for > regardless if it says reckless or not. Meaning a 20 > over ticket you'll need to go to court. > > Glenn > > --- Troutman wrote: > > > > Did he mention or write down reckless? If so, you > > have to go to court, you > > can't just pay it. Just before VA started cracking > > down hard on speeders, > > I got caught doing 82 in a 55 on the beltway. It > > was reckless driving > > under VA law. I went to court without a lawyer, > > plead my case and my > > clean driving record got the fine reduced to 19 > > over (like a $250 fine), > > but the judge cautioned me that if I had not had > > positive points on my > > record, I might have lost my license for a year and > > seen a huge fine. Keep > > in mind this was BEFORE they started cracking down. > > > > Get vaccinated, then pick up a lawyer (you never > > know what diseases they > > may be carrying). Everyone hates them until they > > need them, then they > > loathe them. > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 12:12:32 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:12:18 -0400 To: "Jim McGonigle" , "'Troutman'" , "'dc Cycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Cell phone jammer followup How long do you think they need to sell those before they introduce the "jammer finder" device? Once enough vigilantes start jamming cells there will be a desire on the part of those paying for cell service so they can be contacted by bosses, baby sitters, spouses, alarm companies, hospitals, etc. for some way to locate the jammer people so they can "respond appropriately". Shouldn't be hard...a jammer is a radio transmitter so all you need is a receiver with a directional antenna and a signal strength indicator. Should be far cheaper to build than the jammer is. Best of all, it would be legal! Let the war of escalation begin! The merchants will, as always, make a pile selling tools to both sides... -- Mike B. At 11:14 AM 10/21/04 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: > >That's $363 delivered. The prices are not in USD. Where did you see the >plans to build one? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:55 AM >To: dc Cycles >Subject: Cell phone jammer followup > >As it turns out, you can easily build one for yourself at about $150. Or >more easily, pick one up online for $189 GBP : >http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/Personal.htm > >15 meter bubble of solitude. > >Of course you all are right - it would probably make driving more dangerous, >but it might make dining and movies more pleasurable. Now if I can just >find a device that turns on driver's headlights in the rain and forces them >to put out their cigarette on their thighs instead of tossing them out the >window. > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 12:14:39 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Are you a Virginia resident? Glenn --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > not true. I was hit with 21 over the speed limit in > > Loudon cty a couple of years ago and because it > wasn't > listed a reckless, only had to pay a $120 mail in > fine. > > -aki > > > > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu AM 09:47:48 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? > > > > ANY 6-point ticket you have to go to court for > > regardless if it says reckless or not. Meaning a > 20 > > over ticket you'll need to go to court. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Troutman wrote: > > > > > > Did he mention or write down reckless? If so, > you > > > have to go to court, you > > > can't just pay it. Just before VA started > cracking > > > down hard on speeders, > > > I got caught doing 82 in a 55 on the beltway. > It > > > was reckless driving > > > under VA law. I went to court without a lawyer, > > > plead my case and my > > > clean driving record got the fine reduced to 19 > > > over (like a $250 fine), > > > but the judge cautioned me that if I had not had > > > positive points on my > > > record, I might have lost my license for a year > and > > > seen a huge fine. Keep > > > in mind this was BEFORE they started cracking > down. > > > > > > Get vaccinated, then pick up a lawyer (you never > > > know what diseases they > > > may be carrying). Everyone hates them until > they > > > need them, then they > > > loathe them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 13:23:38 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:23:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Cell phone jammer followup To: "'dc Cycles'" >How long do you think they need to sell those before they >introduce the "jammer finder" device? [Dave] Of course, if we're indiscriminate with it... Not long. But, if we use it judiciously, longer, and even when they do, if we're not using them indiscriminately, we'll do just fine. > >Once enough vigilantes start jamming cells there will be a >desire on the part of those paying for cell service so they >can be contacted by bosses, baby sitters, spouses, alarm >companies, hospitals, etc. for some way to locate the jammer >people so they can "respond appropriately". [Dave] 99% of the cell phone calls I get can be handled by voice mail. Of the remaining one percent, most can wait until I pull over to the side of the road, excuse myself from a public venue or the like. No need for anybody else to be involved in my conversation. Bosses. FTS. On call or not, it better be freakin' important for them to bug me. Part of the reason for _THIS_ escalation is that folks are now, and have been for some time indiscriminately using their cell phones without regard for common courtesy and public decorum. It's sort of like the the idiot in front of you in line at whatever store, who, upon noticing a person they know, turns, and using your ear as a megaphone, yells at the top of their lungs: "YO! LeSHANTE! Girl, when did they let you out on parole?" Does everyone in the store need to be involved in that conversation? No ( which is why I told the idiot so ). It's one thing to answer your kid's call or S.O.'s call on the way home... It's another to hold a meeting / conf. call or discuss the grocery list, or gossip about work goings on... That $hit can wait until I'm out of the cell yakker danger zone. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 13:51:10 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:51:07 -0400 To: "'dc Cycles'" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Cell phone jammer followup At 01:23 PM 10/21/2004, Dave Yates wrote: > >How long do you think they need to sell those before they > >introduce the "jammer finder" device? > >[Dave] Of course, if we're indiscriminate with it... Not >long. But, if we use it judiciously, longer, and even when >they do, if we're not using them indiscriminately, we'll do >just fine. This directly relates to this thread, but not to moto stuff, so I'll take it off list now. http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=307523&nid=25 If it doesn't stop raining, I may go postal. At least my rain pants are keeping me dry. For now. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 14:06:01 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:05:52 -0400 Yup..last 22 years. > > From: Glenn Dysart > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu PM 12:14:35 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? > > Are you a Virginia resident? > > Glenn > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > not true. I was hit with 21 over the speed limit in > > > > Loudon cty a couple of years ago and because it > > wasn't > > listed a reckless, only had to pay a $120 mail in > > fine. > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu AM 09:47:48 EDT > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? > > > > > > ANY 6-point ticket you have to go to court for > > > regardless if it says reckless or not. Meaning a > > 20 > > > over ticket you'll need to go to court. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- Troutman wrote: > > > > > > > > Did he mention or write down reckless? If so, > > you > > > > have to go to court, you > > > > can't just pay it. Just before VA started > > cracking > > > > down hard on speeders, > > > > I got caught doing 82 in a 55 on the beltway. > > It > > > > was reckless driving > > > > under VA law. I went to court without a lawyer, > > > > plead my case and my > > > > clean driving record got the fine reduced to 19 > > > > over (like a $250 fine), > > > > but the judge cautioned me that if I had not had > > > > positive points on my > > > > record, I might have lost my license for a year > > and > > > > seen a huge fine. Keep > > > > in mind this was BEFORE they started cracking > > down. > > > > > > > > Get vaccinated, then pick up a lawyer (you never > > > > know what diseases they > > > > may be carrying). Everyone hates them until > > they > > > > need them, then they > > > > loathe them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 14:06:11 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:06:02 -0400 Yup..past 22 years. > > From: Glenn Dysart > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu PM 12:14:35 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? > > Are you a Virginia resident? > > Glenn > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > not true. I was hit with 21 over the speed limit in > > > > Loudon cty a couple of years ago and because it > > wasn't > > listed a reckless, only had to pay a $120 mail in > > fine. > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu AM 09:47:48 EDT > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? > > > > > > ANY 6-point ticket you have to go to court for > > > regardless if it says reckless or not. Meaning a > > 20 > > > over ticket you'll need to go to court. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- Troutman wrote: > > > > > > > > Did he mention or write down reckless? If so, > > you > > > > have to go to court, you > > > > can't just pay it. Just before VA started > > cracking > > > > down hard on speeders, > > > > I got caught doing 82 in a 55 on the beltway. > > It > > > > was reckless driving > > > > under VA law. I went to court without a lawyer, > > > > plead my case and my > > > > clean driving record got the fine reduced to 19 > > > > over (like a $250 fine), > > > > but the judge cautioned me that if I had not had > > > > positive points on my > > > > record, I might have lost my license for a year > > and > > > > seen a huge fine. Keep > > > > in mind this was BEFORE they started cracking > > down. > > > > > > > > Get vaccinated, then pick up a lawyer (you never > > > > know what diseases they > > > > may be carrying). Everyone hates them until > > they > > > > need them, then they > > > > loathe them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 14:16:42 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:15:20 -0400 To: Dave Yates , "'dc Cycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Cell phone jammer followup At 01:23 PM 10/21/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >[Dave] 99% of the cell phone calls I get can be handled by >voice mail. Of the remaining one percent, most can wait >until I pull over to the side of the road, excuse myself from >a public venue or the like. No need for anybody else to be >involved in my conversation. While neither of us is necessarily representative of all cell users, I tend to agree...though I will answer without pulling over if conditions permit it. If I'm expecting an important call while in a place where a ringing phone isn't appropriate I set the phone to vibrate mode, and leave the area to answer if it goes off. >Bosses. FTS. On call or not, it better be freakin' >important for them to bug me. Some folks get cell phones from their companies because they are on call (i.e. working). Some are doctors, vets, or volunteer firemen and may be getting emergency calls. I wouldn't want to be the vigilante who interfered with such a call. Not all cell calls are frivolous or easily delayed...though most probably are. Until cell phones start coming with two wheels though, I think we should take this elsewhere... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 14:40:54 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Then I guess they have changed the law. Used to be you had to go to court for 20+ over speeding tickets (not reckless) Glenn --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Yup..last 22 years. > > > > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu PM 12:14:35 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth > going? > > > > Are you a Virginia resident? > > > > Glenn > > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > not true. I was hit with 21 over the speed > limit in > > > > > > Loudon cty a couple of years ago and because it > > > wasn't > > > listed a reckless, only had to pay a $120 mail > in > > > fine. > > > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > > > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu AM 09:47:48 EDT > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth > going? > > > > > > > > ANY 6-point ticket you have to go to court for > > > > regardless if it says reckless or not. > Meaning a > > > 20 > > > > over ticket you'll need to go to court. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > --- Troutman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Did he mention or write down reckless? If > so, > > > you > > > > > have to go to court, you > > > > > can't just pay it. Just before VA started > > > cracking > > > > > down hard on speeders, > > > > > I got caught doing 82 in a 55 on the > beltway. > > > It > > > > > was reckless driving > > > > > under VA law. I went to court without a > lawyer, > > > > > plead my case and my > > > > > clean driving record got the fine reduced > to 19 > > > > > over (like a $250 fine), > > > > > but the judge cautioned me that if I had not > had > > > > > positive points on my > > > > > record, I might have lost my license for a > year > > > and > > > > > seen a huge fine. Keep > > > > > in mind this was BEFORE they started > cracking > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > Get vaccinated, then pick up a lawyer (you > never > > > > > know what diseases they > > > > > may be carrying). Everyone hates them until > > > they > > > > > need them, then they > > > > > loathe them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote > today! > > > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 14:47:30 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:47:19 -0400 I was surprised as well. -aki > > From: Glenn Dysart > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu PM 02:40:46 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? > > Then I guess they have changed the law. Used to be > you had to go to court for 20+ over speeding tickets > (not reckless) > > Glenn > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Yup..last 22 years. > > > > > > > > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu PM 12:14:35 EDT > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Re: traffic court... is it worth > > going? > > > > > > Are you a Virginia resident? > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > not true. I was hit with 21 over the speed > > limit in > > > > > > > > Loudon cty a couple of years ago and because it > > > > wasn't > > > > listed a reckless, only had to pay a $120 mail > > in > > > > fine. > > > > > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > > > > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu AM 09:47:48 EDT > > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth > > going? > > > > > > > > > > ANY 6-point ticket you have to go to court for > > > > > regardless if it says reckless or not. > > Meaning a > > > > 20 > > > > > over ticket you'll need to go to court. > > > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > --- Troutman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Did he mention or write down reckless? If > > so, > > > > you > > > > > > have to go to court, you > > > > > > can't just pay it. Just before VA started > > > > cracking > > > > > > down hard on speeders, > > > > > > I got caught doing 82 in a 55 on the > > beltway. > > > > It > > > > > > was reckless driving > > > > > > under VA law. I went to court without a > > lawyer, > > > > > > plead my case and my > > > > > > clean driving record got the fine reduced > > to 19 > > > > > > over (like a $250 fine), > > > > > > but the judge cautioned me that if I had not > > had > > > > > > positive points on my > > > > > > record, I might have lost my license for a > > year > > > > and > > > > > > seen a huge fine. Keep > > > > > > in mind this was BEFORE they started > > cracking > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > > Get vaccinated, then pick up a lawyer (you > > never > > > > > > know what diseases they > > > > > > may be carrying). Everyone hates them until > > > > they > > > > > > need them, then they > > > > > > loathe them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote > > today! > > > > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 16:26:17 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? yes Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:25:04 -0400 A couple yrs back I blantantly ran a stop sign. Got pulled over. Went to court, told the judge I was just shy of having a clean driving record since a 1/2 yr after I started driving. I was 24 or 25 at the time. I asked for traffic school and got it. In traffic school the teacher said Fairfax Co judges rarely give traffic school to adults. I guess after having been a couple times as a minor I took it for granted. I was pulled over in Stafford once, the judge started the session by asking for all those that got pulled over for speeding that wanted to go to traffic school to erase it to form a line. As for insurance, I found out the hard way 3 offenses in 3 yrs gets you in a special pool that pretty much triples your rate. 1 and 2 offenses hadn't affected my rate. I found out afterwards that insurance "agents" put me in this pool, that Geico & Progressive would not have. I tried to switch to Geico, but Nationwide threated to kick off my parents. A month later I graduated, moved out and cut all ties w/ Nationwide. >From: Sunil Doshi >Reply-To: Sunil Doshi >To: corey >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:39:13 -0400 > >On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:09:37 -0400, corey wrote: > > i was the lucky recipient of a speeding ticket a month ago for 21mph > > over in a 40mph zone. > > (burke center parkway). my plan was to take next tuesday off work and > > head over to court to attempt to plead my ticket down to the 10-19mph > > over range, citing the downhill slope and my good driving record as >reason. > > > > well, i got a copy of my driving record in, and it's not as good as i'd > > hoped. i had an 81 in a 55 alllllllmost 5 years ago. in fact, it comes > > off my record a month after my court date. > > > > now i'm wondering if i should even bother going to court? with that > > sucker still on the books, is there any chance it will get knocked down? > > have any of you had similar experiences? _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 16:38:16 2004 Subject: RE: traffic court... is it worth going? yes Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:38:12 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "rich hall" , As of this week, I need new insurance, someone that will cover a spotty record and not demand a pound of flesh in return. Someone once mentioned a good life\auto package. If you can refresh my memory it would be much appreciated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 17:07:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: insurance (traffic court) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:06:39 -0400 Throw renters/home owners insurance there way. Although that only gets me $50 off. I also get $20 off for ERC and something for AMA. That's w/ Allstate. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "rich hall" , >Subject: RE: traffic court... is it worth going? yes >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:38:12 -0400 > > As of this week, I need new insurance, someone that will cover a spotty >record and not demand a pound of flesh in return. Someone once >mentioned a good life\auto package. If you can refresh my memory it >would be much appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 18:17:58 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:15:52 -0400 Subject: H-D parts From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net About a year ago I bought a HD throttle position sensor for my Moto Guzzi. $42.00 at Winchester HD--$165 at my MG dealer. Don't tell the HD faithful that their fuel injected bikes are using IMPORTED ITALIAN parts. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 18:39:19 2004 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:58:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: H-D parts On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Bob McKeithen wrote: > About a year ago I bought a HD throttle position sensor for my Moto > Guzzi. $42.00 at Winchester HD--$165 at my MG dealer. Don't tell the HD > faithful that their fuel injected bikes are using IMPORTED ITALIAN > parts. AFAIK, there are plenty of non-American parts on Hardleys :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 21:58:07 2004 From: "Herb Manell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: Herb@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/21/04 X-IPAddress: 127.0.0.1 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:58:01 -0700 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host48n.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32427 32427] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - motorcyclegrouptours.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: RE: Traffic Ticket thread What about a citation charge that reads: "Reckless Driving (Speed)" But the speed is not recorded anywhere on the front of the ticket. What defense/arguments can be made based on this? Any lawyer recommendations? > Thanks for the advice. FYI, the officer didn't charge me with > reckless, just a 20+ mph over ticket. I'm all for doing everything I > can to lessen my points, but I'm curious what calibrating my > speedometer would do. I know for a fact that it's around 5% slow at > speeds above 50mph, so I doubt that would help my case. > > And as far as attacking the evidence goes, that's where I'm having > most of my problems. They got me. Standing on the sidewalk, they > nailed me with a handheld gun from about 1/4 mile away. I guess I just > don't see many holes in their evidence. > > Thanks again for helping out. > > BTW, I'm on digest... so please copy me directly on reply > TG> it is definitely worth going > > > ---------------------- > > corey > _____________________________________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 21 23:09:11 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:08:46 -0400 And more - France allows theatre jamming. http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=cm&id=1660 Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Hmmm. Whadda sight: Cellphones jammin', bro. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 10:56:34 2004 Subject: Odd, but kind sweet. Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:56:28 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Haven't seen this one before (or even heard of it), so I thought I'd pass it along. Truly an "odd" pair of bikes, but pretty sweet, in an odd kind of way. http://www.confederate.com --smthng 'Dealer says my FJR is two weeks away. I think he's lying, but... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 10:58:18 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? To: Sunil Doshi , corey Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sunil Doshi wrote: > Corey, > As everyone said, file a continuance. > Why? Every Internet lawyer around seems to think that is the key. Why? ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 11:06:13 2004 Subject: Corrosion at top of gas tank Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:06:10 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" Is rust spotting rimming the gas tank opening something to be concerned about? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 11:08:13 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Odd, but kind sweet. Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:07:45 -0400 Cycle World had a couple pages on that bike a number of months ago. Yes, interesting in an odd sort of way. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Subject: Odd, but kind sweet. Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:56:28 -0400 Haven't seen this one before (or even heard of it), so I thought I'd pass it along. Truly an "odd" pair of bikes, but pretty sweet, in an odd kind of way. http://www.confederate.com --smthng 'Dealer says my FJR is two weeks away. I think he's lying, but... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 11:40:14 2004 Subject: RE: Corrosion at top of gas tank Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:40:11 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" > Is rust spotting rimming the gas tank opening something to be > concerned about? Unfortunately, yes. I'm working on getting a Seca II running for a friend and that was the first indicator that I needed to look a little harder. Run the tank close to empty and get a REALLY bright flashlight. Shine it down in there and see if you can spot any rust forming in the tank. Hopefully not, but it's likely that the opening isn't the only part that's affected. If you have one, it might also be good to take one of those small mirrors on a stick (mostly used for checking the oil sight glass while sitting on a bike with no center stand) and pop that down in there to look around as well. If you can catch tank rust early, it can be stopped. I don't remember all the different methods of combatting it off the top of my head, but I can get back to you on it if no one else pipe up with anything useful. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 11:58:45 2004 Subject: VFR driver's test? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:58:43 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" http://www.hiroshima-chuoh.co.jp/video/gym_l.wmv Ok all you VFR-types... does your bike handle like this? :P --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 11:59:36 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:54:26 -0400 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Odd, but kind sweet. At 10:56 AM 10/22/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >Haven't seen this one before (or even heard of it), so I thought I'd >pass it along. Truly an "odd" pair of bikes, but pretty sweet, in an >odd kind of way. > >http://www.confederate.com They did a big segment about them on Corbin's Ride On a week or two ago. Caught it on the TiVo and watched it yesterday. Not sure I like the style...especially of the "Wraith" (the lines are a bit odd...particularly the front forks. Reminds me a bit of those "bikes" from _Tron_ and of _Alien_ at the same time with a rear end like a short hill-climber), but if you are looking for a sportier-looking V-twin bike and don't fit on or like the Buels, it's an option. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 11:59:41 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:58:31 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Corrosion at top of gas tank At 11:06 AM 10/22/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >Is rust spotting rimming the gas tank opening something to be concerned >about? Is it actually on the filler, or around it on the sheet metal the filler neck is welded to? How much rust are you talking about? Enough to flake into the tank? Any showing up in your fuel filter? I'd be at least a little concerned about any rust on my bike, but how much would depend on where it was and how long I was planning to keep the bike useful. If removing it and treating to prevent it coming back was an option, I'd do that just in general. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 12:18:04 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: VFR driver's test? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Don't they all? I got this clip yesterday, I was going to send the link with "Leon's Circles Class" but forgot about it. Glenn --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > http://www.hiroshima-chuoh.co.jp/video/gym_l.wmv > > Ok all you VFR-types... does your bike handle like > this? :P > > --smthng > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 12:24:10 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR driver's test? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:23:21 -0400 No question! (well, maybe without all the Givi's and a couple hundred less pounds) ;) Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: VFR driver's test? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:58:43 -0400 http://www.hiroshima-chuoh.co.jp/video/gym_l.wmv Ok all you VFR-types... does your bike handle like this? :P --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 12:26:41 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:26:34 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Glenn Dysart , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR driver's test? Yup, exactly what I was thinking: it's a more elaborate version of Leon's Circles. Mine corners just fine...the rider on the other hand. ;-) BTW, it's well established fact that the white ones corner better. I didn't look closely but I bet it's got no centerstand (the pre-94s in the States were centerstand-less from the factory, dunno about Japan) and higher pegs. It definitely has a high-mount pipe. -=P -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart Don't they all? I got this clip yesterday, I was going to send the link with "Leon's Circles Class" but forgot about it. Glenn --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > http://www.hiroshima-chuoh.co.jp/video/gym_l.wmv > > Ok all you VFR-types... does your bike handle like > this? :P > > --smthng > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 12:29:18 2004 Subject: RE: VFR driver's test? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:29:14 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Rob Keiser" , Which VFR is that? I don't remember one being that small with a squared frame. --smthng > No question! > > (well, maybe without all the Givi's and a couple hundred less > pounds) ;) > http://www.hiroshima-chuoh.co.jp/video/gym_l.wmv > > Ok all you VFR-types... does your bike handle like this? :P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 12:36:14 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFR driver's test? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:35:48 -0400 An old 400, I believe. From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Rob Keiser" , Subject: RE: VFR driver's test? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:29:14 -0400 Which VFR is that? I don't remember one being that small with a squared frame. --smthng > No question! > > (well, maybe without all the Givi's and a couple hundred less > pounds) ;) > http://www.hiroshima-chuoh.co.jp/video/gym_l.wmv > > Ok all you VFR-types... does your bike handle like this? :P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 12:45:31 2004 Subject: Outlook and DC-Cycles Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:45:27 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Stupid techie question... I can't be the only one using Outlook and hopefully someone else has already figured this out for me. Whenever I get a DC-Cycles message that I want to reply to, I either clikc Reply or Reply to all. Reply only sends it back to the originator, not the list. Reply to all sends it the originator and the list. Has anyone figured out an easy way to reply only to the list? I keep forgetting to add or remove the list address and am sending stuff directly when I want it to go to the list, not the originator AND the list. Hope that makes some kind of sense. --smthng 'Now which button was it again? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 12:47:35 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:47:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Corrosion at top of gas tank -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Is rust spotting rimming the gas tank opening something to be concerned about? --- Nothing to worry about, unless it's pervasive. With all the damp weather we're having, it's a wonder any bike that's outside isn't a ball of rust, with a crust of moss and mushrooms on top. Two of my "older" bikes have presented with a little rust around the filler. I suspect it's merely from having the gas nozzle jammed in there umpty-ump times, which wears off the coating/paint a bit. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 12:53:21 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Outlook and DC-Cycles Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:52:00 -0400 I don't know that there is any "automatic" way to just reply to the list. I generally do a "Reply All" and then remove the other addresses, unless the sender has asked for direct replies. Judging by the number of duplicate replies I receive when I post something, I have to guess that most people don't even bother with that. They just reply to all. Perry >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: >Subject: Outlook and DC-Cycles >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:45:27 -0400 > >Stupid techie question... > >I can't be the only one using Outlook and hopefully someone else has >already figured this out for me. Whenever I get a DC-Cycles message >that I want to reply to, I either clikc Reply or Reply to all. Reply >only sends it back to the originator, not the list. Reply to all sends >it the originator and the list. Has anyone figured out an easy way to >reply only to the list? I keep forgetting to add or remove the list >address and am sending stuff directly when I want it to go to the list, >not the originator AND the list. > >Hope that makes some kind of sense. > >--smthng > >'Now which button was it again? > _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 13:14:59 2004 Subject: Givi mounting question Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:14:55 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Hey all (yes, it's a slow day at the office), I have a Givi V46 on my FZ1 and need some advice from other Givi users. I have it mounted to the OLD Givi rack and one of the screws keeps coming out. This is the rack that uses the flat black grab rails with the heavy aluminum mounting plate (all Givi parts). The plate attaches to two round silvery "things" with two large allen head screws. One of them keeps working it's way out and I'm sure I'll lose the thing eventually. I don't want to use anything that will make it "permanent", as I plan to use pieces of the thing on my next bike. But, what can I do to help this screw stay put? If I use Locktite, will I be able to get it out again later? Or should I just torque the halibut out of it? --smthng 'Pretty screwy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 13:17:46 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:17:36 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: traffic court... is it worth going? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Todd asks: >> As everyone said, file a continuance. >> > >Why? Every Internet lawyer around seems to think that >is the key. Why? [Dave] Because you increase the chance of the State or Commonwealth's chief, and likely only, witness will not be in attendance. This will vary by jurisdiction, but, I've had personal, first hand experience with this accounting for a dismissal of charges <- which were just another case of the MD state police making the world safe for terrorists. A continuance also has the side benefit of giving you plenty of time to reconsider why you haven't hired a lawyer. I don't know if it's key, but if you're going to court anyway, what do you have to lose? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 13:29:30 2004 Subject: RE: traffic court... is it worth going? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:29:25 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > >> As everyone said, file a continuance. > >> > > > >Why? Every Internet lawyer around seems to think that is the > key. Why? FWIW... I was amazed when I moved to VA that every cop (at least in Fairfax) has a "designated court date" and all his cases show up on that day. Going on the assigned day pretty much guarantees he'll be there to tell the world what a menace to society you are. In the area of Florida where I lived, the judge (or a clerk or someone other than the cop) decided on the court date for each case individually. This meant there was a real good chance that the cop wasn't going to show, as that would mean he'd have to miss at least half a day from his regular duties (and if they wrote enough tickets, this meant that they'd pretty much be in court every day). No cop pretty much guaranteed that the case would be thrown out (which meant that you contested every ticket and got off almost every time). As Dave mentioned, getting a continuance may increase the odds of the cop not being able to make it. --smthng 'Fight the system... Buy out all the jelly filled donuts whenever you go to Dunkin. It really messes up the "regulars". :P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 13:32:13 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Givi mounting question Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:31:13 -0400 Try a lock washer and/or some locktite. You'll be able to remove it when you want to. I use the blue stuff on mine when I switch between the Wingrack and the topcase holder. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Subject: Givi mounting question Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:14:55 -0400 Hey all (yes, it's a slow day at the office), I have a Givi V46 on my FZ1 and need some advice from other Givi users. I have it mounted to the OLD Givi rack and one of the screws keeps coming out. This is the rack that uses the flat black grab rails with the heavy aluminum mounting plate (all Givi parts). The plate attaches to two round silvery "things" with two large allen head screws. One of them keeps working it's way out and I'm sure I'll lose the thing eventually. I don't want to use anything that will make it "permanent", as I plan to use pieces of the thing on my next bike. But, what can I do to help this screw stay put? If I use Locktite, will I be able to get it out again later? Or should I just torque the halibut out of it? --smthng 'Pretty screwy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 13:41:07 2004 Subject: RE: traffic court... is it worth going? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:41:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Cops get paid court time. It is in their best interest to be there. In Arlington they have never failed to show, never. Even more evil, we are due at the designated time, last time I got to attend, Officer Stone sauntered in two and a half hours late to make his presentation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 13:52:18 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Givi mounting question To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Blue Locktite, NOT red. It will still be able to be removed. If you lose the thing, let me know. I think I have two replacements in the garage. We sold the bag and plate off my wife's old bike, but still have the rails and the silver adjustable cam things I think. Todd --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > Hey all (yes, it's a slow day at the office), > > I have a Givi V46 on my FZ1 and need some advice > from other Givi users. > I have it mounted to the OLD Givi rack and one of > the screws keeps > coming out. This is the rack that uses the flat > black grab rails with > the heavy aluminum mounting plate (all Givi parts). > The plate attaches > to two round silvery "things" with two large allen > head screws. One of > them keeps working it's way out and I'm sure I'll > lose the thing > eventually. I don't want to use anything that will > make it "permanent", > as I plan to use pieces of the thing on my next > bike. But, what can I > do to help this screw stay put? If I use Locktite, > will I be able to > get it out again later? Or should I just torque the > halibut out of it? > > --smthng > > 'Pretty screwy > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 13:58:58 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: traffic court... is it worth going? To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, since he got his ticket on the Burke Center Parkway, IIRC, that is in Fairfax County. Which means when his original court date arrives, the clerk will ask the officer when his next court date is and schedule the case for that date, along with all the other folks getting the next months batch of tickets from that officer. FWIW, I don't think one ticket every 5 years will affect insurance rates. Todd --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > >> As everyone said, file a continuance. > > >> > > > > > >Why? Every Internet lawyer around seems to think > that is the > > key. Why? > > FWIW... I was amazed when I moved to VA that every > cop (at least in > Fairfax) has a "designated court date" and all his > cases show up on that > day. Going on the assigned day pretty much > guarantees he'll be there to > tell the world what a menace to society you are. > > In the area of Florida where I lived, the judge (or > a clerk or someone > other than the cop) decided on the court date for > each case > individually. This meant there was a real good > chance that the cop > wasn't going to show, as that would mean he'd have > to miss at least half > a day from his regular duties (and if they wrote > enough tickets, this > meant that they'd pretty much be in court every > day). No cop pretty > much guaranteed that the case would be thrown out > (which meant that you > contested every ticket and got off almost every > time). > > As Dave mentioned, getting a continuance may > increase the odds of the > cop not being able to make it. > > --smthng > > 'Fight the system... Buy out all the jelly filled > donuts whenever you > go to Dunkin. It really messes up the "regulars". > :P > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 14:46:50 2004 Subject: Eric Bostrom at Colemans Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:46:47 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Anyone going? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 16:22:04 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=aqylFq3YafMNwgCNsSnEu24JJyknFiClT/fGDcvRSnWhRU1MTc12SQR5dGDPa5J1lSDumqEu33FNEICilycw5Arn+4kl7z+2axWSV5KS90gRyR7yS3ztC1axEyC2VubDlzjbTwVOQdiq84dNApe9sOfJKM9Q8/90j2EwKjHl00k= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:22:00 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outlook and DC-Cycles > that I want to reply to, I either clikc Reply or Reply to all. Reply > only sends it back to the originator, not the list. Reply to all sends > it the originator and the list. Has anyone figured out an easy way to > reply only to the list? I keep forgetting to add or remove the list > address and am sending stuff directly when I want it to go to the list, > not the originator AND the list. You aren't the only one that forgets - the problem is that "all" means "all". How would you train Outlook which address got the reply and which one didn't? I'd be interested if you find a solution. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 16:24:15 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OfC2Nl+D5otQ51HVzX13fI508wsQljpmR0ZSsZOMO0mh352qBEluvJw6gR9gV5wNPF28imTcYDNN679IeRKIK+vJ0Z2uGwZBjLmFBZeNUjXYV46kGkX5xgFYzWSMhyCaeo2zLcRETpDY3IIr+mv24jmPhdG7DLRz/FHOwAuIB1E= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:24:12 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Subject: Re: Givi mounting question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > One of them keeps working it's way out and I'm sure > I'll lose the thing eventually. Loctite - blue - NOT red. Another possibility would be a nylock nut. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 16:59:05 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:58:55 -0400 To: Michael Jordan , "Jonathan W. Kalmes" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Givi mounting question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 04:24 PM 10/22/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >> One of them keeps working it's way out and I'm sure >> I'll lose the thing eventually. > >Loctite - blue - NOT red. Does the color really mean anything anymore? The package color certainly doesn't (I've got blue that's in a red tube...go figure). They make at least a half a dozen different types, but only three colors. The numbers are more specific than the colors are it seems. BTW, the blue isn't always easy to remove later. When I put my sports rack on the bike I had to remove the sissy bar. Couldn't get the screws to release at all...they are socket heads and I was worried I was going to strip them out before they gave...one was starting to deform. I hit it with the heat gun and they came out no trouble...and the thread locker on them was blue. The Loctite packages list the different types as being for different size fasteners more than for different holding strengths...though I suppose the stuff for the big bolts is stronger than the stuff for little ones. In any case it doesn't seem to be as simple as "blue for temporary and red for permanent" like I heard a long time ago. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 17:31:03 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kBqOwU4N88Hwy7DlEMHXOsKzkO9LcTZUCz8LKHCR2HLarvAZR1yZjFM9KD5grTDF3eCwfw//98WxCAXi1AeeIe3HRCah9au2zGG55ZpYnNdvywb7cVv96hvf2bLM1mT15Z+25Z1pIEhkZwiJzs4bHEaQHE3RHvLu2w9LSxl0uLE= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:23:44 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Givi mounting question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep, it is that simple. Well, now there's "green" for smaller fasteners. All come in a red tube. http://www.loctiteproducts.com/products/subcategory.asp?CatID=10&SubID=48 Loctite Blue: "Removable with hand tools for easy disassembly" Loctite Green: "Localized heating and hand tools are needed for disassembly"; "Ideal for fasteners ranging from #2 to 1/2" (2.2mm to 12mm)" Loctite Red: " Removable with heat and hand tools"; "Designed for larger fasteners 3/8" to 1" (9.5mm to 25mm)" On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:58:55 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > Does the color really mean anything anymore? The package color certainly > doesn't (I've got blue that's in a red tube...go figure). They make at > least a half a dozen different types, but only three colors. The numbers > are more specific than the colors are it seems. > > BTW, the blue isn't always easy to remove later. When I put my sports rack > on the bike I had to remove the sissy bar. Couldn't get the screws to > release at all...they are socket heads and I was worried I was going to > strip them out before they gave...one was starting to deform. I hit it > with the heat gun and they came out no trouble...and the thread locker on > them was blue. > > The Loctite packages list the different types as being for different size > fasteners more than for different holding strengths...though I suppose the > stuff for the big bolts is stronger than the stuff for little ones. In any > case it doesn't seem to be as simple as "blue for temporary and red for > permanent" like I heard a long time ago. > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 17:37:08 2004 From: "Mr. Bill" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: women's riding gear Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:32:58 -0400 Forward of an out-of-town request... I vaguely seem to recall that there is such a place, but I can't put my finger (or browser) on it... Anybody? From: BikerGeek Subject: DC-area gear shopping? Does anyone have any suggestions for moto gear shopping, especially for women, in the DC area? Something on the order of Moto Market would be ideal, but your run of the mill large motorcycle dealer with a good gear selection would be good too. Montgomery Co., MD, area preferred. Thanks, Bill TIA, Mr. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 18:24:59 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:44:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Outlook and DC-Cycles On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Michael Jordan wrote: > You aren't the only one that forgets - the problem is that "all" means > "all". How would you train Outlook which address got the reply and > which one didn't? > > I'd be interested if you find a solution. > > Michael J. The list owner sets the reply-to field. He has it setup so that when you select reply, it is addressed to the person who posted the message. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 18:33:08 2004 Subject: Re: Outlook and DC-Cycles From: lister lynch To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:33:20 -0400 And when you reply to all, does it really copy the sender twice? I thought the list software recognizes the cc'd addresses and omits them from the normal distro. Mike On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 18:44, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > You aren't the only one that forgets - the problem is that "all" means > > "all". How would you train Outlook which address got the reply and > > which one didn't? > > > > I'd be interested if you find a solution. > > > > Michael J. > > The list owner sets the reply-to field. He has it setup so that when you > select reply, it is addressed to the person who posted the message. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 18:36:58 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Move over Dodge Tomohawk To: DC Cycles Move over Dodge Tomohawk, there's the Dolmette http://www.dolmette.com/html/22_35_ENG_HTML.htm click on "film" and try "starting the engines" Uh...and you thought straight pipes on a HD were bad, this would be a nightmare. Then there's the burning question..."WHY?" -Corbett ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 18:39:15 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outlook and DC-Cycles Content-ID: <10359.1098484751.1@XXXXXX> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:39:11 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >The list owner sets the reply-to field. He has it setup so that when you >select reply, it is addressed to the person who posted the message. (I'm not sure if this was intended as a potential solution or a description of how things are currently done.) In any case, the undigested list does not set "Reply-To" to anything. Some lists set it to the list address itself, so that all replies go just to the list. This makes replying back to an individual off-list difficult and/or error-prone, and just generally violates the principle of least astonishment, so we don't do that. Only on the digest list is the "Reply-To" field set back to the list address, for obvious reasons. In the post-apocalyptic world ruled by intelligent apes of whom I will be king, all mailers will have "reply to all" and "reply to sender" commands, and each responder always dutifully trims back any quoted text to the bare minimum needed to provide context, and trims back the addressees to the set that he intends. He then gets up from his computer, screeches angrily, jumps up and down, and flings feces at his monitor. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 18:41:20 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:00:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Outlook and DC-Cycles On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, lister lynch wrote: > And when you reply to all, does it really copy the sender twice? I > thought the list software recognizes the cc'd addresses and omits them > from the normal distro. > > Mike You'd be e-mailing the sender directly, along with the list directly. And yes, I received 2 copies of your message :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 19:06:06 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:05:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Odd, but kind sweet. At 10:56 AM 10/22/2004, you wrote: >Haven't seen this one before (or even heard of it), so I >thought I'd >pass it along. Truly an "odd" pair of bikes, but pretty >sweet, in an >odd kind of way. > >http://www.confederate.com > >--smthng > >'Dealer says my FJR is two weeks away. I think he's >lying, but... how strange..the music is from a requiem--the Mass for the Dead: "Dona eis requiem aeternam"--"Give them eternal peace" From the first movement of most requiems. Don't know the composer of this one, but would like to know. Creepy for a motorcycle ad for the LIVING. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 21:53:58 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: Odd, but kind sweet. To: dc-cycles No kidding, The music made me think something tragic was going to happen at any moment. --- Aki Damme wrote: > > Creepy for a motorcycle ad for the LIVING. > > -aki > > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 22:35:11 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: A smiling biker is a safer biker Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:34:36 -0400 I think I saw this adage somewhere and it gives me an excuse for mentioning there is a terrific Jules Feiffer cartoon exhibit in town. Just typing the name sets me chuckling as I did for the 45 minutes of viewing. Those of a certain age should recognize. Those that don't will favor themselves by catching up (His political and social satire work in Playboy, NY Times, Village Voice over 40-yr career). Through January 30 at the Bronfman Gallery in the Jewish Community Center, 16th/Q NW (Q St. entrance). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > JF political comments as fresh now as ever Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 22 23:02:51 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:02:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals To: DCcycles Hey there, Got a quick question for those of you out there that know where to get parts better than me. I have a 04 R6 that is slightly used, previous owner put on aft. mkt. turn signals that are not DOT approved hence it won't pass VA inspection. I'm trying to get a hold of a) the OEM turn signals from the previous owner or a parts dealer or b) new blinkers and such that are DOT approved so that my bike passes inspection. Any ideas? TIA, Ian _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 00:03:12 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Odd, but kind sweet. To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX I saw a Hellcat in New Orleans last week, parked on the sidewalk next to Susan Spicer's restaurant Herbsaint. Brutish, lots of carbon fiber, incredibly wide rear tire, really nice billet bar-ends. Sweet.....but then for $50K plus, it oughta be. -- Larry --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > Haven't seen this one before (or even heard of it), so I thought I'd > pass it along. Truly an "odd" pair of bikes, but pretty sweet, in an > odd kind of way. > > http://www.confederate.com > > --smthng > > 'Dealer says my FJR is two weeks away. I think he's lying, but... > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 00:08:50 2004 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Odd, but kind sweet. To: dc-cycles --- Aki Damme wrote: > how strange..the music is from a requiem--the Mass for the > Dead: > > "Dona eis requiem...." Or it could be a subtle reference to the scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian, with the monks chanting and then smacking themselves in the forehead with boards. -- Larry 8;) "The remarkable thing is how nicely topless dancing enhances the eating of good food, and the other way round." -- Jeffrey Steingarten, Vogue food critic _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 00:59:11 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qSSEk3L2T1+8jpUBZ8xfUEe8dJcEQtAWuIE2UFy6OVtgO0zntw7Fa7RRaXYcCNm9hMOsFrzah9y0EZ/kuRDJWEzOtdFNlmj4Hzc9TkxvZ/SASLPzKKXisD74jdU5aDuAk6bLLO+vi5KJNATb3D3Mgp7SUya0ce0sX/e62OOTmU8= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:59:09 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: DCcycles Subject: Re: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals Try another inspection first... NOT at a bike shop. Most garages won't look twice... if it flashes, it passes. --smthng 'More garage cleaning stuff got to go: http://www.smthng.com/garage On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:02:44 -0700 (PDT), Ian Schmidt wrote: > Hey there, > > Got a quick question for those of you out there that > know where to get parts better than me. I have a 04 > R6 that is slightly used, previous owner put on aft. > mkt. turn signals that are not DOT approved hence it > won't pass VA inspection. I'm trying to get a hold of > a) the OEM turn signals from the previous owner or a > parts dealer or b) new blinkers and such that are DOT > approved so that my bike passes inspection. Any > ideas? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 01:20:26 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:18:05 -0400 To: "Mr. Bill" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: women's riding gear At 05:32 PM 10/22/04 -0400, Mr. Bill wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions for moto gear shopping, especially for >women, in the DC area? Something on the order of Moto Market would be >ideal, but your run of the mill large motorcycle dealer with a good gear >selection would be good too. Montgomery Co., MD, area preferred. Battley's (couple of blocks from Gaithersburg's airport) has H-D, Vanson, Joe Rocket and some other brands in the coat and pants line. They have helmets from Arai, Shoei, H-D, and several others, in styles from half-helmet to full face, to flip up to motocross. They have gloves, H-D styles as well as the more power-rangery kind, and other things like motocross armor...though not a huge selection of it. Most of the other local H-D dealers seem to be much more specialized around H-D Motorclothes products. Battley's also sells BMW, Ducati and Yamaha bikes, which may explain why they have more variety...though still more H-D than anything else. There was a place near old town Gaithersburg that seemed to be mostly motocross stuff, but they had a fair number of 3/4 helmets too. Can't remember the name at the moment... D.C. Cruisers (also near the Gaithersburg Airport) has some T-shirts, non-T-shirt casual shirts, and a few jackets and gloves, but probably not what your friend is looking for. It's oriented around the sort of folks who buy expensive semi-custom cruisers (Vengeance, Big Dog, Texas Ironhorse, etc.). Haven't been to any of the Honda, Kawasaki or other dealers so I don't know what they might have, but there are several in the county. I don't know of anyplace that sells motorcycle clothing without being a bike dealer too. MDO Modern Cycle (couple of blocks from Battley's) doesn't have much, if anything, in the way of gear...they sell bike parts and service and rent workspace for those doing their own work...seems to be mostly cruiser oriented too. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 01:20:32 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:20:21 -0400 To: lister lynch From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Outlook and DC-Cycles Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:33 PM 10/22/04 -0400, lister lynch wrote: >And when you reply to all, does it really copy the sender twice? Apparently. I get double replies all the time. One from the list, one from the sender. See if you do too...this is a "reply all"...though I deleted Wayne from the "To:" list so he wouldn't get it more than once. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 01:25:25 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:02:18 -0400 To: Aaron Maurer From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Givi mounting question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 05:23 PM 10/22/04 -0400, Aaron Maurer wrote: >Yep, it is that simple. Well, now there's "green" for smaller >fasteners. All come in a red tube. > >http://www.loctiteproducts.com/products/subcategory.asp?CatID=10&SubID=48 > >Loctite Blue: "Removable with hand tools for easy disassembly" Not based on my (limited) experience...unless Harley used some other blue threadlocker when they put that sissy bar on. Took heat (and hand tools) to get it off, but what was on the threads was definitely blue, not red. Without heat I started to ruin the head of one bolt trying to get it loose...the socket head had marks where the allen-socket was cutting into it, so I don't think the problem was insufficient force. ;-) Given that there are only those three colors, but at least a dozen different "model numbers", there would appear to be more than one kind of red and blue though...guess I'll go check the site to see what the differences are. Maybe there are temperature differences or something... Ok, that site is for consumer products...there appear to be only the three colors and three kinds there. BTW, the Green is also listed as "penetrating" for use on preassembled parts. To see what I meant about it being more complicated, go look at their *other* site: http://www.loctite.com/int_henkel/loctite_us/index.cfm?&pageid=19&layout=3 There are a bunch of different kinds, and even a few other colors (check the product technical specs for details like that). Variants are for higher temps, or oil resistance, or whatever. There are 8 different kinds listed just under the "removable strength" heading. The "permanent" ones come in red and green. In the "removable" class there's purple, blue, red-orange, and dark green. They also have some others that are "wickable" or for pre-application and later assembly and whatever. The consumer vs. industrial distinction represented by the separate web sites probably explains why I couldn't find the exact model number specified in the H-D manual at the local auto parts stores...trying to find out what was equivalent is how I found the industrial site in the past. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 01:26:09 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:24:45 -0400 From: corey Reply-To: corey To: Todd Withrow CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: traffic court... is it worth going? i think the best reason for a continuance is that as of 11/15/2004, i have a clean record again. that plus the 'downward slope' argument i would hope should get me a lesser 4 point fine. throw some traffic school on that and i should be good to go. thanks all for the advice, it's definitely helped. ---------------------- corey (speeding less these days...) vires acquirit eundo - "I'll put a girdle about the earth in forty minutes" ______________________________________________ Friday, October 22, 2004, 1:58:51 PM, you wrote: TW> Well, since he got his ticket on the Burke Center TW> Parkway, IIRC, that is in Fairfax County. Which means TW> when his original court date arrives, the clerk will TW> ask the officer when his next court date is and TW> schedule the case for that date, along with all the TW> other folks getting the next months batch of tickets TW> from that officer. TW> FWIW, I don't think one ticket every 5 years will TW> affect insurance rates. TW> Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 01:29:38 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:24:34 -0400 To: Corbett B , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Move over Dodge Tomohawk At 03:36 PM 10/22/04 -0700, Corbett B wrote: >Move over Dodge Tomohawk, there's the Dolmette > >http://www.dolmette.com/html/22_35_ENG_HTML.htm >Then there's the burning question..."WHY?" Arm exercise? Because 3 V8s were too expensive? I dunno...probably because they could... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 01:30:48 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:27:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Odd, but kind sweet. At 06:53 PM 10/22/04 -0700, Hugh Caldwell wrote: >No kidding, The music made me think something tragic was going to happen at any >moment. > >--- Aki Damme wrote: > >> >> Creepy for a motorcycle ad for the LIVING. They are a strange bunch from all indications. The bit on Corbin's Ride On had several segments with one of the company owners and he was describing their style using terms and names from European architecture of the 30s. Not at all normal for bike builders in my experience so far... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 01:30:49 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:30:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Odd, but kind sweet. At 09:08 PM 10/22/04 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Aki Damme wrote: > >> how strange..the music is from a requiem--the Mass for the >> Dead: >> >> "Dona eis requiem...." > >Or it could be a subtle reference to the scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian, >with the monks chanting and then smacking themselves in the forehead with boards. That wasn't LoB, it was The Holy Grail... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 10:23:57 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Outlook and DC-Cycles Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:23:54 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79221fa48cf39aa2e22296a4fbd04c2034350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Note no reply all ! I've got to reach back into the bio-memory units... I used to have a filter that got rid of dups so when someone hit me with reply all, only the "List" addressed message came through, the other was moved to 'deleted'... I just got a new 2 hamster powered computer, and I'm still making rules for my Outlook - rules don't get imported from ( to quote MB ) "Lookout Distress". If I stumble back across this, I'll make this off topic gem available... right before Harry puts me in the cyber time out cube... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:20 AM To: lister lynch Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Outlook and DC-Cycles At 06:33 PM 10/22/04 -0400, lister lynch wrote: >And when you reply to all, does it really copy the sender twice? Apparently. I get double replies all the time. One from the list, one from the sender. See if you do too...this is a "reply all"...though I deleted Wayne from the "To:" list so he wouldn't get it more than once. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 10:26:40 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:28:15 -0400 From: Laura Roach CC: DCcycles Subject: Re: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals I second that - a gas station won't look twice if they blink. Or ... just take them off for inspection. You're not required to have turn signals in VA :) (Yes, it's silly. If you have turn signals on the bike, they have to be DOT and working. But you're not required to have them.) - Roach (posing as Laura this morning) smthng else wrote: > Try another inspection first... NOT at a bike shop. Most garages > won't look twice... if it flashes, it passes. > > --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 16:14:26 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals To: Ian Schmidt , DCcycles you might also try a different inspector.... --- Ian Schmidt wrote: > Hey there, > > Got a quick question for those of you out there that > know where to get parts better than me. I have a 04 > R6 that is slightly used, previous owner put on aft. > mkt. turn signals that are not DOT approved hence it > won't pass VA inspection. I'm trying to get a hold of > a) the OEM turn signals from the previous owner or a > parts dealer or b) new blinkers and such that are DOT > approved so that my bike passes inspection. Any > ideas? > > TIA, > Ian > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 18:13:09 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals To: Ian Schmidt , DCCycles 1) JCWhitney sells replacement turn signals. Pick a pair or two that might fit. 2) Ebay often has that stuff. 3) Almost every Auto parts store around has signals that can probably be modified enough to work. 4) Why not take it to a gas station for inspection instead of a dealer? Many of those will just pass the bike without worrying about DOT compliance. Leon. --- Ian Schmidt wrote: > Hey there, > > Got a quick question for those of you out there that > know where to get parts better than me. I have a 04 > R6 that is slightly used, previous owner put on aft. > mkt. turn signals that are not DOT approved hence it > won't pass VA inspection. I'm trying to get a hold > of > a) the OEM turn signals from the previous owner or a > parts dealer or b) new blinkers and such that are > DOT > approved so that my bike passes inspection. Any > ideas? > > TIA, > Ian > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download > now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 23 22:01:21 2004 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:00:50 -0400 To: Laura Roach From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals Cc: DCcycles At 10:28 AM 10/23/04 -0400, Laura Roach wrote: > >I second that - a gas station won't look twice if they blink. Or ... >just take them off for inspection. You're not required to have turn >signals in VA :) > >(Yes, it's silly. If you have turn signals on the bike, they have to be >DOT and working. But you're not required to have them.) Yep! My dad ran into that with a VW bug's emergency flashers. Wouldn't flash. Car flunked. My dad unscrewed the switch from the dash, and said the car didn't have emergency flashers and to pass it. Guy refused, but when dad insisted, called state police for a consult. They checked the books and said that if the car had them, they had to work, but they weren't required and so if the car didn't have them, it would pass anyway. Car was passed. This wasn't recent, but I doubt they've changed the law on that. When I bought the car from him years later I fixed them and reinstalled the switch...those old German fuses are repairable...but not with solder...you have to use something with better conductivity. I used a new fuse... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 24 00:12:16 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Yj26JI0xNm8MqVSgP/wrUF2+lnwEq962+hiCHXvZ08enN9DU//TG6/2y3rzv7y+Ls7wat1OmJBuQ9uDXBY0T17S9EiOrrI5g4/t/NHpLkFp7B9yxqyR/XXOaqEdW22yEIsyaMQOP3rWi2Sw5V1/qakaiFifejEr8mr7hHNW/laU= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:12:13 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: women's riding gear > >Does anyone have any suggestions for moto gear shopping, especially for > >women, in the DC area? Something on the order of Moto Market would be > >ideal, but your run of the mill large motorcycle dealer with a good gear > >selection would be good too. Montgomery Co., MD, area preferred. I can't speak for other gear, but the dealer in Leesburg had a pretty good selection of ladies jackets in stock last time I was there. Not a whole lot else that I distinctly recal, but at least two racks of ladies jackets in various styles. http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ --smthng 'Take my extra garage stuff, please! http://www.smthng.com/garage From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 24 03:19:24 2004 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff schmidt Subject: Re: women's riding gear To: you@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Clinton Cycles in Camp Springs, MD has a pretty decent selection of womens' jackets and gloves. --- smthng else wrote: > > >Does anyone have any suggestions for moto gear > shopping, especially for > > >women, in the DC area? Something on the order of > Moto Market would be > > >ideal, but your run of the mill large motorcycle > dealer with a good gear > > >selection would be good too. Montgomery Co., MD, > area preferred. > > I can't speak for other gear, but the dealer in > Leesburg had a pretty > good selection of ladies jackets in stock last time > I was there. Not > a whole lot else that I distinctly recal, but at > least two racks of > ladies jackets in various styles. > http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ > > --smthng > > 'Take my extra garage stuff, please! > http://www.smthng.com/garage > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 24 11:56:11 2004 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: women's riding gear To: "Mr. Bill" , DC Cycles coleman's (washington st., falls church, va) may not be very well-liked, but they probably stock more riding gear than any other local dealership. cycles usa in aspen hill, md (conn. @ georgia) may be your closest potential source. --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:32 PM 10/22/04 -0400, Mr. Bill wrote: > > >Does anyone have any suggestions for moto gear shopping, > especially for > >women, in the DC area? Something on the order of Moto > Market would be > >ideal, but your run of the mill large motorcycle dealer > with a good gear > >selection would be good too. Montgomery Co., MD, area > preferred. > > Battley's (couple of blocks from Gaithersburg's airport) > has H-D, Vanson, > Joe Rocket and some other brands in the coat and pants > line. They have > helmets from Arai, Shoei, H-D, and several others, in > styles from > half-helmet to full face, to flip up to motocross. They > have gloves, H-D > styles as well as the more power-rangery kind, and other > things like > motocross armor...though not a huge selection of it. > > Most of the other local H-D dealers seem to be much more > specialized around > H-D Motorclothes products. Battley's also sells BMW, > Ducati and Yamaha > bikes, which may explain why they have more > variety...though still more H-D > than anything else. > > There was a place near old town Gaithersburg that seemed > to be mostly > motocross stuff, but they had a fair number of 3/4 > helmets too. Can't > remember the name at the moment... > > D.C. Cruisers (also near the Gaithersburg Airport) has > some T-shirts, > non-T-shirt casual shirts, and a few jackets and gloves, > but probably not > what your friend is looking for. It's oriented around > the sort of folks > who buy expensive semi-custom cruisers (Vengeance, Big > Dog, Texas > Ironhorse, etc.). > > Haven't been to any of the Honda, Kawasaki or other > dealers so I don't know > what they might have, but there are several in the > county. I don't know of > anyplace that sells motorcycle clothing without being a > bike dealer too. > MDO Modern Cycle (couple of blocks from Battley's) > doesn't have much, if > anything, in the way of gear...they sell bike parts and > service and rent > workspace for those doing their own work...seems to be > mostly cruiser > oriented too. > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for > the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 24 19:47:40 2004 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:45:22 -0400 Subject: Riding gear - -Womans From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Most BMW dealers have a good selection-- not cheap though. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 24 21:23:59 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:23:47 EDT Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en In a message dated 10/21/2004 11:09:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > And more - France allows theatre jamming. Despite having "please shut off cell phones" in every pre-show greeting at "my" theater there is always some moron who)B’s cell rings during the show. I just want to run over them with my (OBMOTO) bike. But I am not bitter... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 09:57:02 2004 Subject: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:56:58 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: After one week, I am loving my Vanson leather pants. I am a lot more comfortable in them and my knees no longer ache. I am getting around the hoisting my foot in the peg issue by practice. Nice ride Saturday with Rich and entourage to Paney's in Leesburg then backroads to Dogpatch and around the area. Apart from the occasional patch of evil gravel, the ride was pleasant. Would be fun to do a biker bar poker run or something along those lines and try and visit all the biker bars in the area. Technique...After locking my rear wheel, hitting both brakes I have decided to use my rear brake less. Avoiding young Bambi at 3:30 Am on Dalecarlia, resulted in an all too familiar.."he's got that sliding feeling". Yesterday, on Beech drive in NW, I came around a tight corner to see a stopped VW in my lane. Straightened up, came to a stop and did not use the rear brake at all. Hmmmm. Maybe I should start forgetting about that control entirely. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 10:33:23 2004 Subject: RE: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:33:14 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > Technique...After locking my rear wheel, hitting both brakes > I have decided to use my rear brake less. Avoiding young > Bambi at 3:30 Am on Dalecarlia, resulted in an all too > familiar.."he's got that sliding feeling". > > Yesterday, on Beech drive in NW, I came around a tight corner > to see a stopped VW in my lane. Straightened up, came to a > stop and did not use the rear brake at all. Hmmmm. Maybe I > should start forgetting about that control entirely. I for one am a rear brake advocate. If you're locking it up too often, it's usually a combination of a couple of factors that cause it. First - Unsettling the bike. This is my main problem. During normal driving, I can manage the rear brake just fine and I appreciate the extra bit of stopping ability it adds. However... When coming down from hgih speeds quickly or doing an emergency stop, I grab a bit too much of the front brake, which takes a lot of wieght off the rear. This allows the rear to lock very easily. Being a bit smoother on the front would make my rear work better. It's just a bad habbit I have to work on. Second - Lack of "feel" for the rear. One of the problems that the FZ1 is notorious for (and probably your R6 as well) is a lack of good feedback from the rear brake. Essentially, there's nothing to tell you that you're about to lock it up. Another local FZ1'er has put steel braid lines on his rear and says it makes a huge difference. While it may sound counterproductive to use a better line for reducing your lockups, it does kind of make sense. Essentially, the rear brake lever is "dead" on my FZ1. I hit it a little bit to get some braking, and I hit it a bit more for more braking. Unfortunately, I really have no idea how much "a little bit more" is, because I can't feel anything on rear brake lever. It all feels the same no matter how much pressure I use and the only feedback I get is when the rear end starts slipping out because I've locked it up (or that nasty series of clunks from the chain suddenly coming to a dead stop). Rear steels will probably give me a lot more of an idea of how much rear brake I'm using and how much I have left. IMO, it's a cheap and easy fix to get a more usable bike and the next one will probably get the steel lines over the winter when the weather gets nasty (assuming it doesn't do anything funky to an ABS system). Just my two cents worth on the issue. --smthng 'ABS on the way, so hopefully I don't have to take my own advice. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 11:08:09 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:05:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... At 09:56 AM 10/25/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >Yesterday, on Beech drive in NW, I came around a tight corner to see a >stopped VW in my lane. Straightened up, came to a stop and did not use >the rear brake at all. Hmmmm. Maybe I should start forgetting about >that control entirely. I think that would be a mistake. Yes, most of your stopping power is in the front, and you should spend most of your emergency braking attention there, but the rear will help if you don't get too aggressive with it, and it is very useful in other situations...such as slow speed maneuvering. Forget about it and you lose the benefits it provides. I've locked the rear more than once in a fast stop, and the rear end has skidded a little, but I've never had trouble controlling the bike even so, and pumping the rear unlocks it and lets you reapply it a bit more gently. Just pay most attention to maximum application of the front (or even backing off once you've scrubbed some speed and changing direction to miss the obstacle if that's possible) and don't get distracted playing with the rear and you will be in good shape. I don't know if sport bikes handle very differently in slow speed situations, but with all three bikes I've owned a little rear brake, combined with slipping the clutch, is key to doing controlled tight slow speed turns (like the 90 degree right and U-turns that were on the Maryland rider's test). Helps a lot with slow ride too. That Jerry Paladino video I mentioned a couple of weeks ago teaches that method too...apparently it's standard practice in the police riding schools. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 11:28:15 2004 Subject: RE: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:28:13 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Mike Bartman" , I have been an advocate for both brake stopping for a while. I guess I should have clarified...if you are doing performance riding and pushing your bikes limit...I find that any application of the rear brake at speed while leaned over quickly puts me into fish on a pier mode. On the R6, I find it difficult to feel the rear brake application seems like it is either there or it isn't and it is not like I am mashing on the pedal either. My brother in Montreal dropped his new R6 so he is in that oh so familiar depression mode. Happened right outside his garage..On an incline. He took his wife for a ride and instead of dismounting to open the garage door, she did. He started down the incline, saw the door was halfway open and panicked. He hit the brakes, and keeled over right, bending the brake lever and rashing up the fairing. He picked up the bike by brute strength without technique and also messed hs back up a little bit. I miss him a lot and wish he was here. Guess I am going to have to talk him into a tour. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... At 09:56 AM 10/25/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >Yesterday, on Beech drive in NW, I came around a tight corner to see a >stopped VW in my lane. Straightened up, came to a stop and did not use >the rear brake at all. Hmmmm. Maybe I should start forgetting about >that control entirely. I think that would be a mistake. Yes, most of your stopping power is in the front, and you should spend most of your emergency braking attention there, but the rear will help if you don't get too aggressive with it, and it is very useful in other situations...such as slow speed maneuvering. Forget about it and you lose the benefits it provides. I've locked the rear more than once in a fast stop, and the rear end has skidded a little, but I've never had trouble controlling the bike even so, and pumping the rear unlocks it and lets you reapply it a bit more gently. Just pay most attention to maximum application of the front (or even backing off once you've scrubbed some speed and changing direction to miss the obstacle if that's possible) and don't get distracted playing with the rear and you will be in good shape. I don't know if sport bikes handle very differently in slow speed situations, but with all three bikes I've owned a little rear brake, combined with slipping the clutch, is key to doing controlled tight slow speed turns (like the 90 degree right and U-turns that were on the Maryland rider's test). Helps a lot with slow ride too. That Jerry Paladino video I mentioned a couple of weeks ago teaches that method too...apparently it's standard practice in the police riding schools. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 11:38:59 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:38:47 EDT Subject: Re: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Where did you take it for inspection? I have marker lights on my R6 and I'm pretty sure they're not DOT approved. I've never had a problem with getting an inspection. I was taking it to a gas station near Cycle Sport in Alexandria until they got their license renewed. The inspector never once said anything about them. Shop around for a different inspection station. Scooter In a message dated 10/22/2004 11:03:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, schmidtys311@XXXXXX writes: Hey there, Got a quick question for those of you out there that know where to get parts better than me. I have a 04 R6 that is slightly used, previous owner put on aft. mkt. turn signals that are not DOT approved hence it won't pass VA inspection. I'm trying to get a hold of a) the OEM turn signals from the previous owner or a parts dealer or b) new blinkers and such that are DOT approved so that my bike passes inspection. Any ideas? TIA, Ian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 11:54:42 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:54:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton I have been an advocate for both brake stopping for a while. I guess I should have clarified...if you are doing performance riding and pushing your bikes limit...I find that any application of the rear brake at speed while leaned over quickly puts me into fish on a pier mode. ..... My brother in Montreal dropped his new R6 so he is in that oh so familiar depression mode. Happened right outside his garage..On an incline. He took his wife for a ride and instead of dismounting to open the garage door, she did. He started down the incline, saw the door was halfway open and panicked. He hit the brakes, and keeled over right,..... -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] At 09:56 AM 10/25/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >Yesterday, on Beech drive in NW, I came around a tight corner to see a >stopped VW in my lane. Straightened up, came to a stop and did not use >the rear brake at all. Hmmmm. Maybe I should start forgetting about >that control entirely. I think that would be a mistake. .... Indeed. Oh dear, I thought the "rear brake" thread wasn't scheduled until next month. :) I'm a little leery when people start making blanket statements about brake usage. My mantra is "always use both brakes; mindful of surface conditions and the characteristics of your bike." Note the second part, that's where the "motorcycling is 90% a mental activity" comes into play. Cases in point: provided you're going straight a locked rear wheel is no biggie. Furthermore, in loose road surfaces and reduced traction, you had better have some facility with rear brake use, so please don't start "pretending that pedal isn't there." Your front brake's stopping ability is severely compromised in such conditions and will wash out under even the most modest brake application. Like on the gravel and mud I was riding around on yesterday on the KLR. Do some trail or gravel/dirt road riding and you'll learn how to use that rear brake effectively. At low speeds and leaned over, your rear brake is your best friend. As Julian's bro found out, any front brake usage when the bike the unstable, at low speeds, will likely result in an immediate dumpola and an up close and personal view of the pavement. Dab on the rear brake for precise control in low-speed turns. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 11:55:08 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CPtFgMWKXNoBUHAYtAaiuHtSA0Oo2QaiH0JHY90iKGWDECyDM3Ww7/Wz52USW5idhN3TWqCID9RtN31Pp9MAlx+5OTT9yLyL47WmstkvdNGtty0pMgZM+cLUgjXmO4j6OeNCWV+jhF3aReXuIsOIfMd+I2KhDVlDMnBs33S+HNs= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:55:00 -0500 From: Sean Jordan Reply-To: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Michael Jordan , Thomas Jordan Subject: These could be fun . . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2496349236&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2496740487&fromMakeTrack=true -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 12:11:27 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:11:08 EDT Subject: Re: These could be fun . . . To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Page Not Found. Scooter In a message dated 10/25/2004 11:55:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, seanjordan23@XXXXXX writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2496349236&rd=1&s spagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2496740487&fromMa keTrack=true -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 12:21:21 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Take it to a coupla stations before assuming. I know of plenty of guys with funny little lights and pass without problems. Even know of a guy with no lights... I just got my ST1300 inspected, it wouldn't pass at MFI - inspector said tires were too worn, "... those are about the baldest tires i've ever seen...". interestingly, I know this inspector from when he worked at manassas honda, in fact he changed the 'threads showing' bald tires on my VTR. Anyway, they aren't great, but they aren't at their wear bars yet. I took it to a local auto shop, passed no problems. BTW, before someone says something. I have tires on the way. Point is, your little lights will probably pass. Good luck, Tom --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Where did you take it for inspection? I have marker > lights on my R6 and I'm > pretty sure they're not DOT approved. I've never > had a problem with getting > an inspection. I was taking it to a gas station > near Cycle Sport in > Alexandria until they got their license renewed. > The inspector never once said > anything about them. Shop around for a different > inspection station. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 10/22/2004 11:03:06 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > schmidtys311@XXXXXX writes: > > Hey there, > > Got a quick question for those of you out there > that > know where to get parts better than me. I have a 04 > R6 that is slightly used, previous owner put on > aft. > mkt. turn signals that are not DOT approved hence > it > won't pass VA inspection. I'm trying to get a hold > of > a) the OEM turn signals from the previous owner or a > parts dealer or b) new blinkers and such that are > DOT > approved so that my bike passes inspection. Any > ideas? > > TIA, > Ian > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 12:32:36 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:32:19 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Move over Dodge Tomohawk Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 03:36 PM 10/22/04 -0700, Corbett B wrote: > >Move over Dodge Tomohawk, there's the Dolmette > > > >http://www.dolmette.com/html/22_35_ENG_HTML.htm > > >Then there's the burning question..."WHY?" > > Arm exercise? Because 3 V8s were too expensive? > > I dunno...probably because they could... Dolmar makes bad-ass chansaws. Buddy of mine is a tree surgeon, and has one of those saws with a 6 foot bar. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 12:45:55 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:45:33 -0400 From: Skip CC: DCcycles Subject: Re: DOT approved marker lights/turn signals Ian Schmidt wrote: > > Hey there, > > Got a quick question for those of you out there that > know where to get parts better than me. I have a 04 > R6 that is slightly used, previous owner put on aft. > mkt. turn signals that are not DOT approved hence it > won't pass VA inspection. I'm trying to get a hold of > a) the OEM turn signals from the previous owner or a > parts dealer or b) new blinkers and such that are DOT > approved so that my bike passes inspection. Any > ideas? > > TIA, > Ian in my experience, the best place to take a vehicle is a dealership that does not work on the make of vehicle that you're trying to get an inspection for. Take a honda to a Ford dealer, a Ford to an Isuzu dealer. 1) they aren't intimately familiar with the faults of the vehicle 2) they aren't looking for work, because they don't work on those. so far, it's worked out for me. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 12:55:58 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Sally Weaver Subject: Women's motorcycle gear To: you@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dear Smthng, Try contacting Lisa and Jay at Motorcycle Leather Exchange (http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/). They're in Rockville, they've got a lot of sizes in stock (for women and men) and they can order just about anything you need. You'll also get great customer service, which is sporadic (at best) at Coleman, Loudoun Motor Sports, etc. Good luck, Sally '01 YZF600R __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 13:08:47 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'bikergeek@XXXXXX'" Subject: women's riding gear Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:12:09 -0400 "Mr. Bill" claimed, "Forward of an out-of-town request..." [Carl]: Bartman is correct, Battley's has a bunch of women's gear upstairs. I've seen it on the way to the clearance section in the back. (I believe all of the "Flame Boots" are gone.) BUT, gee whillikers . . . [Alt] 173 Nobody mentioned the leather Exchange! It's not just an internet site but local (Rockville-Potomac) DC Cycle members and supporters of local (e.g. MotoFest) events. There is/was a women's gear shoppe in the Philly area. Surely Googling would raise it. []: I vaguely seem to recall that there is such a place, but I can't put my finger (or browser) on it... Anybody? From: BikerGeek Subject: DC-area gear shopping? Does anyone have any suggestions for moto gear shopping, especially for women, in the DC area? Something on the order of Moto Market would be ideal, but your run of the mill large motorcycle dealer with a good gear selection would be good too. Montgomery Co., MD, area preferred. Thanks, Bill TIA, Mr. Bill Carl in Bethesda (Uses Outlook and Personal Address Book) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 13:27:14 2004 Subject: Technique discussion and great article: The Pace Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:27:11 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Mike Bartman" , It is a once a month topic to be sure but as in anytihng, the more you know the better off you are. I am trying to "think" my way to becoming a better rider. To develop the neuro-muscular connections that will save my hide. I want to develop my potential and I wonder about certain things: - hand position on the bars, should I be front braking with two fingers or the whole hand? In my Olympia gloves I find the pad of my thumb gets sore jammed up against the leather of the glove if my hand is in throttle on position but if I hold my hand almost flat, the tension eases. - I find for spirited riding I feel like the majority of my body weight is on the foot pegs, most of the rest on my hands and little on the seat. I read a great article on street riding and will forward it along here. My over-exagerated statement about the rear brake was meant to stimulate discussion about technique. This month's contribution is called "The Pace" The Pace - by Nick Ienatsch Racing involves speed, concentration and commitment; the results of a mistake are usually catastrophic because there's little room for error riding at 100 percent. Performance street riding is less intense and further from the absolute limit, but because circumstances are less controlled, mistakes and overagressiveness can be equally catastrophic. Plenty of roadracers have sworn off street riding. "Too dangerous, too many variables and too easy to get carried away with too much speed," track specialists claim. Adrenaline-addled racers find themselves treating the street like the track, and not surprisingly, they get burned by the police, the laws of physics and the cold, harsh realities of an environment not groomed for ten-tenths riding. But as many of us know, a swift ride down a favorite road may be the finest way to spend a few free hours with a bike we love. And these few hours are best enjoyed riding at The Pace. A year after I joined the Motorcyclist staff in 1984, Mitch Boehm was hired. Six months later, The Pace came into being, and we perfected it during the next few months of road testing and weekend fun rides. Now The Pace is part of my life - and a part of the Sunday morning riding group I frequent. The Pace is a street technique that not only keeps street riders alive, but thoroughly entertained as well. THE PACE The Pace focuses on bike control and de-emphasizes outright speed. Full-throttle acceleration and last minute braking aren't part of the program, effectively eliminating the two most common single-bike accident scenarios in sport riding. Cornering momentum is the name of the game, stressing strong, forceful inputs at the handlebar to place the bike correctly at the entrance of the turn and get it flicked in with little wasted time and distance. Since the throttle wasn't slammed open at the exit of the last corner, the next corner doesn't require much, if any braking. It isn't uncommon to ride with our group and not see a brake light flash all morning. If brakes are required, the front lever gets squeezed smoothly, quickly and with a good deal of force to set entrance speed with minimum time. Running in on the brakes is tantamount to running off the road, a confession that you're pushing too hard and not getting your entrance speed set early enough because you stayed on the gas too long. Running The Pace decreases your reliance on the throttle and brakes, the two easiest controls to abuse, and hones your ability to judge cornering speed, which is the most thrilling aspect of performance street riding. YOUR LANE IS YOUR LIMIT Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. Even when you have a clean line of sight through a left-hand kink, stay to the right of the centerline. Staying on the right side of the centerline is much more challenging than simply straightening every slight corner, and when the whole group is committed to this intelligent practice, the temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer pressure and logic. Though street riding shouldn't be described in racing terms, you can think of your lane as the racetrack. Leaving your lane is tantamount to a crash. Exact bike control has you using every inch of your lane if the circumstances permit it. In corners with a clear line of sight and no oncoming traffic, enter at the far outside of the corner, turn the bike relatively late in the corner to get a late apex at the far outside of your lane and accelerate out, just brushing the far outside of your lane as the bike stands up. Steer your bike forcefully but smoothly to minimize the transition time; don't hammer it down because the chassis will bobble slightly as it settles, possibly carrying you off line. Since you haven't charged in on the brakes, you can get the throttle on early, before the apex, which balances and settles your bike for the drive out. More often than not, circumstances do not permit the full use of your lane from yellow line to white line and back again. Blind corners, oncoming traffic and gravel on the road are a few criteria that dictate a more conservative approach, so leave yourself a three- or four-foot margin for error, especially at the left side of the lane where errant oncoming traffic could prove fatal. Simply narrow your entrance on a blind right-hander and move your apex into your lane three feet on blind left turns in order to stay free of unseen oncoming traffic hogging the centerline. Because you're running at The Pace and not flat out, your controlled entrances offer additional time to deal with unexpected gravel or other debris in your lane; the outside wheel track is usually cleanest through a dirty corner since a car weights its outside tires most, scrubbing more dirt off the pavement in the process, so aim for that line. A GOOD LEADER, WILLING FOLLOWERS The street is not a racing environment, and it takes humility, self assurance and self control to keep it that way. The leader sets the pace and monitors his mirrors for signs of raggedness in the ranks that follow, such as tucking in on straights, crossing over the yellow line and hanging off the motorcycle in corners. If the leader pulls away, he simply slows his straightaway speed slightly but continues to enjoy the corners, thus closing the ranks but missing none of the fun. The small group of three or four riders I ride with is so harmonious that the pace is identical no matter who's leading. The lead shifts occasionally with a quick hand sign, but there's never a pass for the lead with an ego on the sleeve. Make no mistake, the riding is spirited and quick -- in the corners. Anyone with a right arm can hammer down the straights; it's the proficiency in the corners that makes The Pace come alive. Following distances are relatively lengthy, with the straightaways -- taken at more moderate speeds -- the perfect opportunity to adjust the gaps. Keeping a good distance serves several purposes, besides being safer. Rock chips are minimized and the highway patrol won't suspect a race is in progress. The Pace's style of not hanging off in corners also reduces the appearance of pushing too hard and adds a degree of maturity and sensibility in the eyes of the public and the law. There's a definite challenge to cornering quickly while sitting sedately on your bike. New rider indoctrination takes some time because The Pace develops very high cornering speeds and newcomers want to hammer the throttle on exits to make up for what they lose at the entrances. Our group slows drastically when a new rider joins the ranks because our technique of moderate straightaway speeds and no brakes can suck the unaware into a corner too fast, creating the most common single-bike accident. With a new rider learning the pace behind you, tap your brake lightly well before the turn to alert him, and make sure he understands there's no pressure to stay with the group. There's plenty of ongoing communication during The Pace. A foot off the peg indicates debris on the road, and all slowing or turning intentions are signaled in advance with the left hand and arm. Turn signals are used for direction changes and passing, with a wave of the left hand to thank cars that move right and make it easy for the motorcyclists to get past. Since you don't have a death grip on the handlebar, your left hand is also free to wave to oncoming riders, a fading courtesy that we'd like to see return. If you're getting the idea that The Pace is a relaxing, noncompetitive way to ride with a group, you are right. RELAX AND FLICK IT I'd rather spend a Sunday in the mountains riding at The Pace than a Sunday at the racetrack, it is that enjoyable. Countersteering is the name of the game, a smooth forceful steering input at the handlebar relayed to the tires' contact patches through a rigid sport-bike frame. Riding at The Pace is certainly what the bike manufacturers had in mind when sport bikes evolved to the street. But the machine isn't the most important aspect of running at The Pace because you can do it on anything capable of getting through a corner. Attitude is The Pace's most important aspect; realizing the friend ahead of you isn't a competitor, respecting his right to lead the group occasionally and giving him credit for his riding skills. You must have the maturity to limit your straightaway speeds to allow the group to stay in touch and the sense to realize that racetrack tactics such as late braking and full throttle runs to redline will alienate the public and police and possibly introduce you to the unforgiving laws of gravity. When the group arrives at the destination after running The Pace, no one feels outgunned or is left with the feeling he must prove himself on the return run. If you've got something to prove, get on a racetrack. The racetrack measures your speed with a stopwatch and direct competition, welcoming your aggression and gritty resolve to be the best. Performance street riding's only yardstick is the amount of enjoyment gained, not lap times, finishing position or competitors beaten. The differences are huge, but not always remembered by riders who haven't discovered The Pace's cornering pureness and group involvement. Hammer on the racetrack. Pace yourself on the street. (c) Copyright MOTORCYCLIST Magazine November 1991 issue PACE YOURSELF - by Nick Ienatsch The street is not the track -- It's the place to Pace. Two weeks ago a rider died when he and his bike tumbled off a cliff paralleling our favorite road. No gravel in the lane, no oncoming car pushing him wide, no ice. The guy screwed up. Rider error. Too much enthusiasm with too little skill, and this fatality wasn't the first on this road this year. As with most single-bike accidents, the rider entered the corner at a speed his brain told him was too fast, stood the bike up and nailed the rear brake. Goodbye. On the racetrack the rider would have tumbled into the hay bales, visited the ambulance for a strip of gauze and headed back to the pits to straighten his handlebars and think about his mistake. But let's get one thing perfectly clear; the street is not the racetrack. Using it as such will shorten your riding career and keep you from discovering The Pace. The Pace is far from street racing - and a lot more fun. The Pace places the motorcycle in its proper role as the controlled vehicle, not the controlling vehicle. Too many riders of sport bikes become baggage when the throttle gets twisted - the ensuing speed is so overwhelming they are carried along in the rush. The Pace ignores outright speed and can be as much fun on a Ninja 250 as on a ZX-11, emphasizing rider skill over right-wrist bravado. A fool can twist the grip, but a fool has no idea how to stop or turn. Learning to stop will save your life; learning how to turn will enrich it. What feels better than banking a motorcycle over into a corner? The mechanics of turning a motorcycle involve pushing and/or pulling on the handlebars; while this isn't new information for most sport riders, realize that the force at the handlebar affects the motorcycle's rate of turn-in. Shove hard on the bars, and the bike snaps over; gently push the bars, and the bike lazily banks in. Different corners require different techniques, but as you begin to think about lines, late entrances and late apexes, turning your bike at the exact moment and reaching the exact lean angle will require firm, forceful inputs at the handlebars. If you take less time to turn your motorcycle, you can use that time to brake more effectively or run deeper into a corner, affording yourself more time to judge the corner and a better look at any hidden surprises. It's important to look as far into the corner as possible and remember the adage, "You go where you look." DON'T RUSH The number-one survival skill, after mastering emergency braking, is setting your corner-entrance speed early, or as Kenny Roberts says, "Slow in, fast out." Street riders may get away with rushing into 99 out of 100 corners, but that last one will have gravel, mud or a trespassing car. Setting entrance speed early will allow you to adjust your speed and cornering line, giving you every opportunity to handle the surprise. We've all rushed into a corner too fast and experienced not just the terror but the lack of control when trying to herd the bike into the bend. If you're fighting the brakes and trying to turn the bike, any surprise will be impossible to deal with. Setting your entrance speed early and looking into the corner allows you to determine what type of corner you're facing. Does the radius decrease? Is the turn off-camber? Is there an embankment that may have contributed some dirt to the corner? Racers talk constantly about late braking, yet that technique is used only to pass for position during a race, not to turn a quicker lap time. Hard braking blurs the ability to judge cornering speed accurately, and most racers who rely too heavily on the brakes find themselves passed at the corner exits because they scrubbed off too much cornering speed. Additionally, braking late often forces you to trail the brakes or turn the motorcycle while still braking. While light trail braking is an excellent and useful technique to master, understand that your front tire has only a certain amount of traction to give. If you use a majority of the front tire's traction for braking and then ask it to provide maximum cornering traction as well, a typical low-side crash will result. Also consider that your motorcycle won't steer as well with the fork fully compressed under heavy braking. If you're constantly fighting the motorcycle while turning, if may be because you're braking too far into the corner. All these problems can be eliminated by setting your entrance speed early, an important component of running The Pace. Since you aren't hammering the brakes at every corner entrance, your enjoyment of pure cornering will increase tremendously. You'll relish the feeling of snapping your bike into the corner and opening the throttle as early as possible. Racers talk about getting the drive started, and that's just as important on the street. Notice how the motorcycle settles down and simply works better when the throttle is open? Use a smooth, light touch on the throttle and try to get the bike driving as soon as possible in the corner, even before the apex, the tightest point of the corner. If you find yourself on the throttle ridiculously early, it's an indication you can increase your entrance speed slightly and be releasing the brakes earlier. As you sweep past the apex, you can begin to stand the bike up out of the corner. This is best done by smoothly accelerating, which will help stand the bike up. As the rear tire comes off full lean, it puts more rubber on the road, and the forces previously used for cornering traction can be converted to acceleration traction. The throttle can be rolled open as the bike stands up. This magazine won't tell you how fast is safe; we will tell you how to go fast safely. How fast you go is your decision, but it's one that requires reflection and commitment. High speed on an empty four-lane freeway is against the law, but it's fairly safe. Fifty-five miles per hour in a canyon may be legal, but it may also be dangerous. Get together with your friends and talk about speed. Set a reasonable maximum and stick to it. Done right, The Pace is addicting without high straightaway speeds. The group I ride with couldn't care less about outright speed between corners; any Gomer can twist a throttle. If you routinely go 100 mph, we hope you routinely practice emergency stops from that speed. Keep in mind outright speed will earn a ticket that is tough to fight and painful to pay; cruising the easy straight stuff doesn't attract as much attention from the authorities and sets your speed perfectly for the next sweeper. GROUP MENTALITY Straights are the time to reset the ranks. The leader needs to set a pace that won't bunch up the followers, especially while leaving a stop sign or passing a car on a two-lane road. The leader must use the throttle hard to get around the car and give the rest of the group room to make the pass, yet he or she can't speed blindly along and earn a ticket for the whole group. With sane speeds on the straights, the gaps can be adjusted easily; the bikes should be spaced about two seconds apart for maximum visibility of surface hazards. It's the group aspect of The Pace that I enjoy the most, watching the bikes in front of me click into a corner like a row of dominoes, or looking in my mirror as my friends slip through the same set of corners I just emerged from. Because there's a leader and a set of rules to follow, the competitive aspect of sport riding is eliminated and that removes a tremendous amount of pressure from a young rider's ego - or even and old rider's ego. We've all felt the tug of racing while riding with friends or strangers, but The Pace takes that away and saves it for where it belongs: the racetrack. The racetrack is where you prove your speed and take chances to best your friends and rivals. I've spent a considerable amount of time writing about The Pace for several reasons, not the least of which being the fun I've had researching it (continuous and ongoing). But I have motivations that aren't so fun. I got scared a few years ago when Senator Danforth decided to save us from ourselves by trying to ban superbikes, soon followed by insurance companies blacklisting a variety of sportbikes. I've seen Mulholland Highway shut down because riders insisted on racing (and crashing) over a short section of it. I've seen heavy police patrols on roads that riders insist on throwing themselves off of. I've heard the term "murder-cycles" a dozen times too many. When we consider the abilities of a modern sport bike, it becomes clear that rider technique is sorely lacking. The Pace emphasizes intelligent, rational riding techniques that ignore racetrack heroics without sacrificing fun. The skills needed to excel on the racetrack make up the basic precepts of The Pace, excluding the mind-numbing speeds and leaving the substantially larger margin for error needed to allow for unknown and immovable objects. Our sport faces unwanted legislation from outsiders, but a bit of throttle management from within will guarantee our future. THE PACE PRINCIPLES Set cornering speed early. Blow the entrance and you'll never recover. Look down the road. Maintaining a high visual horizon will reduce perceived speed and help you avoid panic situations. Steer the bike quickly. There's a reason Wayne Rainey works out - turning a fast-moving motorcycle takes muscle. Use your brakes smoothly but firmly. Get on and then off the brakes; don't drag 'em. Get the throttle on early. Starting the drive settles the chassis, especially through a bumpy corner. Never cross the centerline except to pass. Crossing the centerline in a corner is an instant ticket and an admittance that you can't really steer your bike. In racing terms, your lane is your course; staying right of the line adds a significant challenge to most roads and is mandatory for sport riding's future. Don't crowd the centerline. Always expect an oncoming car with two wheels in your lane. Don't hang off in corners or tuck in on the straights. Sitting sedately on the bike looks safer and reduces unwanted attention. It also provides a built-in safety margin. When leading, ride for the group. Good verbal communication is augmented with hand signals and turn signals; change direction and speed smoothly. When following, ride with the group. If you can't follow a leader, don't expect anyone to follow you when you're setting the pace. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 13:40:28 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: These could be fun . . . To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just go to Ebay's main page: http://www.ebay.com and type in the item numbers: 2496349236 and 2496740487 Glenn --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Page Not Found. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 10/25/2004 11:55:43 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > seanjordan23@XXXXXX writes: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2496349236&rd=1&s > spagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2496740487&fromMa > keTrack=true > > -- > Sean Jordan > Shoot to Thrill Photography > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 14:12:01 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Odd, but kind sweet. Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:12:00 -0400 I've actually seen the Hellcat at DC Cruisers sweet looking bike. 30k is a little outta my range. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:54 AM To: Jonathan W. Kalmes; DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Odd, but kind sweet. At 10:56 AM 10/22/04 -0400, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >Haven't seen this one before (or even heard of it), so I thought I'd >pass it along. Truly an "odd" pair of bikes, but pretty sweet, in an >odd kind of way. > >http://www.confederate.com They did a big segment about them on Corbin's Ride On a week or two ago. Caught it on the TiVo and watched it yesterday. Not sure I like the style...especially of the "Wraith" (the lines are a bit odd...particularly the front forks. Reminds me a bit of those "bikes" from _Tron_ and of _Alien_ at the same time with a rear end like a short hill-climber), but if you are looking for a sportier-looking V-twin bike and don't fit on or like the Buels, it's an option. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 15:18:17 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:13:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... At 11:28 AM 10/25/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >I have been an advocate for both brake stopping for a while. I guess I >should have clarified...if you are doing performance riding and pushing >your bikes limit...I find that any application of the rear brake at >speed while leaned over quickly puts me into fish on a pier mode. You don't brake while turning like that, front or rear, from what I've heard. If you are doing "performance riding" you are probably investing all of your traction budget into turning, and there's little if any left over for stopping. The ERC course teaches that you straighten up first, *then* brake. That said, I've found that a little rear brake in a sweeping curve isn't a problem on my bike, but I'm just putting along, not pushing any limits, so I've got spare traction in most situations, and I don't ever brake hard like that...just a little drag sometimes. >the garage door, she did. He started down the incline, saw the door was >halfway open and panicked. He hit the brakes, and keeled over right, Was he turning at all? Front brake at slow speeds while turning (i.e. bars are cranked more than a little) will drop a bike in a heartbeat. Rear brake only in that situation. >bending the brake lever and rashing up the fairing. He picked up the >bike by brute strength without technique and also messed hs back up a >little bit. Ouch. The bike is easy to fix...just a matter of money and a little time. Hope his back problem is just an overstressed muscle and not anything more serious. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 15:31:55 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:31:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Technique discussion and great article: The Pace At 01:27 PM 10/25/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >- hand position on the bars, should I be front braking with two fingers >or the whole hand? Whole hand if you can manage it. My little finger doesn't reach, so I use three when I need to brake hard. In the ERC course they yelled at me for only using two. I still usually use two if it's just a "slow down a bit" rather than a hard stop situation though. >In my Olympia gloves I find the pad of my thumb gets >sore jammed up against the leather of the glove if my hand is in >throttle on position but if I hold my hand almost flat, the tension >eases. Would a Throttle Rocker work on your bike? I love mine. >- I find for spirited riding I feel like the majority of my body weight >is on the foot pegs, most of the rest on my hands and little on the >seat. When I rode my old enduro off road the weight was on the foot pegs mostly, with my butt resting lightly on the seat. I tried not to have weight on the bars at all, just a loose grip. They are a control, not a grab rail, and too much weight interfered with throttle control as the bike bounced around. Since I don't ride on tracks, I don't have any experience with "spirited riding", so I can't comment there. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 15:31:55 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:23:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: women's riding gear At 01:12 PM 10/25/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >[Carl]: Bartman is correct, Battley's has a bunch of women's gear upstairs. Gee, I don't know if I can take both you *and* Paul agreeing with me on the same day! ;-) Battley's has the women's leathers upstairs (balcony area), but they have the non-H-D stuff downstairs...to the left as you come in the front doors. That's where the Vanson, JR etc. stuff is mostly. There's also a lot of women's stuff on the main floor to the right, but it's mostly shirts, belts, gloves, etc. and non-riding gear like purses, hats and jewelry. Unless they've changed the layout in a big way since the last time I was there. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 16:15:56 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:15:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Technique discussion and great article: The Pace To: Julian Halton , Paul Wilson , Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Julian: I think you would like a book entitled "Sportbiking, The Real World" by Gary Jaehne. The PACE is discussed at length. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > It is a once a month topic to be sure but as in > anytihng, the more you > know the better off you are. I am trying to "think" > my way to becoming > a better rider. To develop the neuro-muscular > connections that will > save my hide. > > I want to develop my potential and I wonder about > certain things: > > - hand position on the bars, should I be front > braking with two fingers > or the whole hand? In my Olympia gloves I find the > pad of my thumb gets > sore jammed up against the leather of the glove if > my hand is in > throttle on position but if I hold my hand almost > flat, the tension > eases. > > - I find for spirited riding I feel like the > majority of my body weight > is on the foot pegs, most of the rest on my hands > and little on the > seat. > > I read a great article on street riding and will > forward it along here. > My over-exagerated statement about the rear brake > was meant to stimulate > discussion about technique. This month's > contribution is called "The > Pace" > > > The Pace - by Nick Ienatsch > Racing involves speed, concentration and commitment; > the results of a > mistake are usually catastrophic because there's > little room for error > riding at 100 percent. Performance street riding is > less intense and > further from the absolute limit, but because > circumstances are less > controlled, mistakes and overagressiveness can be > equally catastrophic. > Plenty of roadracers have sworn off street riding. > "Too dangerous, too > many variables and too easy to get carried away with > too much speed," > track specialists claim. Adrenaline-addled racers > find themselves > treating the street like the track, and not > surprisingly, they get > burned by the police, the laws of physics and the > cold, harsh realities > of an environment not groomed for ten-tenths riding. > But as many of us > know, a swift ride down a favorite road may be the > finest way to spend a > few free hours with a bike we love. And these few > hours are best enjoyed > riding at The Pace. > > A year after I joined the Motorcyclist staff in > 1984, Mitch Boehm was > hired. Six months later, The Pace came into being, > and we perfected it > during the next few months of road testing and > weekend fun rides. Now > The Pace is part of my life - and a part of the > Sunday morning riding > group I frequent. The Pace is a street technique > that not only keeps > street riders alive, but thoroughly entertained as > well. > > THE PACE > The Pace focuses on bike control and de-emphasizes > outright speed. > Full-throttle acceleration and last minute braking > aren't part of the > program, effectively eliminating the two most common > single-bike > accident scenarios in sport riding. Cornering > momentum is the name of > the game, stressing strong, forceful inputs at the > handlebar to place > the bike correctly at the entrance of the turn and > get it flicked in > with little wasted time and distance. Since the > throttle wasn't slammed > open at the exit of the last corner, the next corner > doesn't require > much, if any braking. It isn't uncommon to ride with > our group and not > see a brake light flash all morning. > > If brakes are required, the front lever gets > squeezed smoothly, quickly > and with a good deal of force to set entrance speed > with minimum time. > Running in on the brakes is tantamount to running > off the road, a > confession that you're pushing too hard and not > getting your entrance > speed set early enough because you stayed on the gas > too long. Running > The Pace decreases your reliance on the throttle and > brakes, the two > easiest controls to abuse, and hones your ability to > judge cornering > speed, which is the most thrilling aspect of > performance street riding. > > YOUR LANE IS YOUR LIMIT > > Crossing the centerline at any time except during a > passing maneuver is > intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too > hard to keep up. Even > when you have a clean line of sight through a > left-hand kink, stay to > the right of the centerline. Staying on the right > side of the centerline > is much more challenging than simply straightening > every slight corner, > and when the whole group is committed to this > intelligent practice, the > temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer > pressure and logic. > Though street riding shouldn't be described in > racing terms, you can > think of your lane as the racetrack. Leaving your > lane is tantamount to > a crash. > > Exact bike control has you using every inch of your > lane if the > circumstances permit it. In corners with a clear > line of sight and no > oncoming traffic, enter at the far outside of the > corner, turn the bike > relatively late in the corner to get a late apex at > the far outside of > your lane and accelerate out, just brushing the far > outside of your lane > as the bike stands up. Steer your bike forcefully > but smoothly to > minimize the transition time; don't hammer it down > because the chassis > will bobble slightly as it settles, possibly > carrying you off line. > Since you haven't charged in on the brakes, you can > get the throttle on > early, before the apex, which balances and settles > your bike for the > drive out. > > More often than not, circumstances do not permit the > full use of your > lane from yellow line to white line and back again. > Blind corners, > oncoming traffic and gravel on the road are a few > criteria that dictate > a more conservative approach, so leave yourself a > three- or four-foot > margin for error, especially at the left side of the > lane where errant > oncoming traffic could prove fatal. Simply narrow > your entrance on a > blind right-hander and move your apex into your lane > three feet on blind > left turns in order to stay free of unseen oncoming > traffic hogging the > centerline. Because you're running at The Pace and > not flat out, your > controlled entrances offer additional time to deal > with unexpected > gravel or other debris in your lane; the outside > wheel track is usually > cleanest through a dirty corner since a car weights > its outside tires > most, scrubbing more dirt off the pavement in the > process, so aim for > that line. > > A GOOD LEADER, WILLING FOLLOWERS > > The street is not a racing environment, and it takes > humility, self > assurance and self control to keep it that way. The > leader sets the pace > and monitors his mirrors for signs of raggedness in > the ranks that > follow, such as tucking in on straights, crossing > over the yellow line > and hanging off the motorcycle in corners. If the > leader pulls away, he > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 20:21:57 2004 From: "Mr. Bill" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: Women's motorcycle gear Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:17:36 -0400 I sez: > I vaguely seem to recall that there is such a place, but I can't put > my finger (or browser) on it... Anybody? Sally Weaver and "Custer, Carl" each point to: > Try contacting Lisa and Jay at Motorcycle Leather > Exchange (http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/). > They're in Rockville, they've got a lot of sizes in > stock (for women and men) and they can order just > about anything you need. You'll also get great > customer service, which is sporadic (at best) at > Coleman, Loudoun Motor Sports, etc. Yeah... *that's* the place I was thinking about! I *thought* I remembered the URL, definitely something to do with leather, but I wound up going someplace VERY different... =8^o In fact, that was at work... I'm still waiting to hear from the network watchers there... :-} Mr. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 25 20:56:42 2004 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX julian: congratulations.... you've revived the rear brake thread! many listers will be so pleased to see its return. get ss lines all around for your r6 and you'll have better feel with the rear, should you choose to use it. as for braking in a turn.... just try not to do it! do your braking when vertical; gas and lean when not. --- Julian Halton wrote: > I have been an advocate for both brake stopping for a > while. I guess I > should have clarified...if you are doing performance > riding and pushing > your bikes limit...I find that any application of the > rear brake at > speed while leaned over quickly puts me into fish on a > pier mode. On > the R6, I find it difficult to feel the rear brake > application seems > like it is either there or it isn't and it is not like I > am mashing on > the pedal either. > > My brother in Montreal dropped his new R6 so he is in > that oh so > familiar depression mode. Happened right outside his > garage..On an > incline. He took his wife for a ride and instead of > dismounting to open > the garage door, she did. He started down the incline, > saw the door was > halfway open and panicked. He hit the brakes, and keeled > over right, > bending the brake lever and rashing up the fairing. He > picked up the > bike by brute strength without technique and also messed > hs back up a > little bit. > > I miss him a lot and wish he was here. Guess I am going > to have to talk > him into a tour. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:06 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Weekend snippets...gear, technique etc... > > At 09:56 AM 10/25/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > > >Yesterday, on Beech drive in NW, I came around a tight > corner to see a > >stopped VW in my lane. Straightened up, came to a stop > and did not use > >the rear brake at all. Hmmmm. Maybe I should start > forgetting about > >that control entirely. > > I think that would be a mistake. > > Yes, most of your stopping power is in the front, and you > should spend > most of your emergency braking attention there, but the > rear will help > if you don't get too aggressive with it, and it is very > useful in other > situations...such as slow speed maneuvering. Forget > about it and you > lose the benefits it provides. > > I've locked the rear more than once in a fast stop, and > the rear end has > skidded a little, but I've never had trouble controlling > the bike even > so, and pumping the rear unlocks it and lets you reapply > it a bit more > gently. > Just pay most attention to maximum application of the > front (or even > backing off once you've scrubbed some speed and changing > direction to > miss the obstacle if that's possible) and don't get > distracted playing > with the rear and you will be in good shape. > > I don't know if sport bikes handle very differently in > slow speed > situations, but with all three bikes I've owned a little > rear brake, > combined with slipping the clutch, is key to doing > controlled tight slow > speed turns (like the 90 degree right and U-turns that > were on the > Maryland rider's test). Helps a lot with slow ride too. > That Jerry > Paladino video I mentioned a couple of weeks ago teaches > that method > too...apparently it's standard practice in the police > riding schools. > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for > the non-Harley > folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's > mistakes is better. > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 08:38:13 2004 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:37:56 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Article in USA Today To: DCCycles Not related to DC, but definitely cycling... http://tinyurl.com/4drhd Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 10:25:39 2004 Subject: Gear to carry gear Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:25:32 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" Well my second backpack bit the dust yesterday when the shoulder strap half-detached from the pack itself. Is there such a thing as a durable compact backpack? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 10:30:44 2004 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Gear to carry gear To: Julian Halton , DCCycles Try a courier bag. Motorcycle Leather Exchange has them. Much better for riding too. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Well my second backpack bit the dust yesterday when > the shoulder strap > half-detached from the pack itself. Is there such a > thing as a durable > compact backpack? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 12:24:17 2004 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:23:37 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: SV650 I have been poking around for an SV650 for a while, not yet ready to buy ($) and I spotted this one on CL today. Is this poor soul on list, or does his fiance not let him use email either? ;-) http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/44684214.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 12:51:08 2004 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:51:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc Cycles Subject: Re: SV650 -----Original Message----- From: Troutman I have been poking around for an SV650 for a while, not yet ready to buy ($) and I spotted this one on CL today. Is this poor soul on list, or does his fiance not let him use email either? ;-) http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/44684214.html ----------------- Let me put on my pedant's hat here. The original message in the ad: "Selling because my fiance (sic) doesn't want me to ride anymore." Then Troutman wrote: "His fiance (sic) not let him use email either?" You're assuming it's a he? Lots of she riders out there, in fact the use of "fiance" would suggest the writer is a woman whose betrothed has nixed future riding. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 13:35:54 2004 Subject: Moto related Halloween costumes Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:35:52 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "dc Cycles" It's that time of year. Anyone know where I could find a cool Ghost Rider mask...anyother moto related costume ideas? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 14:40:48 2004 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: This is odd To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.bikernet.com/bikebarn/PageViewer.asp?PageID=277 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 15:35:45 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:35:33 EDT Subject: Re: Moto related Halloween costumes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well......I will be wearing my Vanson Bones jacket and pants. As well as the Vanson Bones t-shirt they sent me for free due to a mix-up in the order. (Ordered non-perf'd pants and got perf'd...oops.) Will also be wearing my custom painted skull helmet. :-) I just love going to the mall with the jacket and helmet on. I get the greatest looks. lol Will have to pick up a pair of the Bones gloves one of these days. Scooter (aka Bones :-)) In a message dated 10/26/2004 1:36:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: It's that time of year. Anyone know where I could find a cool Ghost Rider mask...anyother moto related costume ideas? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 15:39:09 2004 Subject: Re: This is odd From: lister lynch To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:39:26 -0400 I agree. The tail sections aren't consistent throughout the article, and either way, you still can't fit 3 people on it (as they claim for the nookie). The other odd thing was the spelling and grammar. You'd think they'd at least get Schenectady spelled right. Mike - wondering about that swingarm geometry, or the lack thereof On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 14:40, Glenn Dysart wrote: > http://www.bikernet.com/bikebarn/PageViewer.asp?PageID=277 > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 15:42:20 2004 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:38:04 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This is odd Glenn Dysart wrote: >http://www.bikernet.com/bikebarn/PageViewer.asp?PageID=277 > > > That might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen... > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 17:41:54 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=EMcBIHYscMEqfQyHN7sK2Ilh+AJAUCL1OV6xy8vPwCL/CJUaYTHhebjf/uXa4cA+fKOlDrMDHEdOiImxvpbosQ2Cw2x0R3DdmBZwY4vp8VMZuDirzbO22/7ek4Es2zN3KISLo8kAuglanLRN+4L78E0cyMR0OfQVBEyUEN/8ZEg= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:41:43 -0400 From: Sunil Doshi Reply-To: Sunil Doshi To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Gear to carry gear Cc: DCCycles I've gotten messenger bags from the Timbuk2 and Crumpler. Both make great bags that are fairly weatherproof. I've moved back to backbacks for riding though. I could never get the messenger bags to sit high enough and my shoulder started hurting chronically after a few months. http://www.timbuk2.com/ http://www.crumplerusa.com/ On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:25:32 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > Well my second backpack bit the dust yesterday when the shoulder strap > half-detached from the pack itself. Is there such a thing as a durable > compact backpack? > > -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 18:02:06 2004 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:01:59 -0400 From: corey Reply-To: corey To: DCCycles Subject: Re[2]: Gear to carry gear X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: i picked up my timbuk2 bag at revolution in georgetown 4ish years ago. still as solid as the day i bought it. my complaint with backpacks is how friggin hard to get on and off they are when you're wearing a jacket. messenger bags just come right off. -corey There isn't much in life that pedaling harder can't make better ______________________________________________ Tuesday, October 26, 2004, 5:41:43 PM, you wrote: SD> I've gotten messenger bags from the Timbuk2 and Crumpler. Both make SD> great bags that are fairly weatherproof. I've moved back to backbacks SD> for riding though. I could never get the messenger bags to sit high SD> enough and my shoulder started hurting chronically after a few months. SD> http://www.timbuk2.com/ SD> http://www.crumplerusa.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 26 19:22:16 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: MADD ribbons -- that time of the year Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:21:57 -0400 Just received a couple of MADD magnetic red ribbons. While they're too big to fit both on the bike, one should visibly spread the point. Perhaps the other will go on the balcony. (1 888 500 MADD -- sugg. Donation $5ea, or non-mag free. Personally I'm sending in a little extra for the great job they continue to do.) Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > How about an alcohol sniffer for the front? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 08:41:50 2004 From: To: Subject: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 8:41:36 -0400 Want a chopper? How's $137k grab ya? How about ordering it from SAMS Club? http://pull.xmr3.com/p/138657-F17C/26950277/chopper.html -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 09:47:47 2004 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:06:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Want a chopper? How's $137k grab ya? How about > ordering it from SAMS Club? > > http://pull.xmr3.com/p/138657-F17C/26950277/chopper.html > > -aki Aki, dude. People who ride choppers are hard core. They don't fit in some mold that YOUR society wants to put them in. Don't try to pigeonhole them. They're rebels! Oh yeah and they like to buy stuff in bulk. I hear there's a sale on leather vest and tassles in aisle 9. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 09:54:34 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 9:54:20 -0400 > > From: Wayne Edelen > Date: 2004/10/27 Wed AM 10:06:26 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Want a chopper? How's $137k grab ya? How about > > ordering it from SAMS Club? > > > > http://pull.xmr3.com/p/138657-F17C/26950277/chopper.html > > > > -aki > > Aki, dude. People who ride choppers are hard core. They don't fit in > some mold that YOUR society wants to put them in. Don't try to pigeonhole > them. They're rebels! > > Oh yeah and they like to buy stuff in bulk. I hear there's a sale on > leather vest and tassles in aisle 9. > > :-) > > -- Wayne > LOL yep and just the other day I saw all those "rebel" SUV's lined up in front of Walmart with their Harley stickers on the rear windows. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 10:33:52 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: trailer lights Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:33:40 -0400 need to replace trailer lights. Anyone happen to know who has the best prices? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 10:40:36 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'julian@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gear to carry gear Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:44:04 -0400 Julian Halton lamented, "Well my second backpack bit the dust yesterday when the shoulder strap half-detached from the pack itself. Is there such a thing as a durable compact backpack?" [Carl]: Dunno but I used a $20 JanSport for many years -- until they "awarded" me a brief case bag. FWIW, I laid the backpack on the saddle and looped the straps around the rear turnsignal stalks. Some days, when I felt picky or overloaded it with Dr. Peppers, I'd loop a bungee cord over the pack. With the cloth briefcase, I'd lay it on the saddle, and secure it with cross bungees. Cross bungees are a pair of long bungees tied with a square knot in the middle. One bungee loops through the passenger-peg ankle-guards; the other goes over the bag and around whatever's handy -- depending on how much crap I've stuffed in the bag. Now, I have Givi top boxes, except on the 'Ceptor. Carl in Bethesda Have Givis, will travel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 10:47:04 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Wayne Edelen , Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:48:23 -0500 And stick on tatoos. So you can pose on the weekend and clean up for work on monday. Rob On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:06:26 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Edelen wrote > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Want a chopper? How's $137k grab ya? How about > > ordering it from SAMS Club? > > > > http://pull.xmr3.com/p/138657-F17C/26950277/chopper.html > > > > -aki > > Aki, dude. People who ride choppers are hard core. They don't fit > in some mold that YOUR society wants to put them in. Don't try to pigeonhole > them. They're rebels! > > Oh yeah and they like to buy stuff in bulk. I hear there's a sale on > leather vest and tassles in aisle 9. > > :-) > > -- Wayne -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 10:47:52 2004 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:47:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: trailer lights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Northern Tool http://tinyurl.com/3wq2b --- Daniel wrote: > need to replace trailer lights. Anyone happen to > know who has the > best prices? > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 10:48:36 2004 Subject: RE: Gear to carry gear Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:48:34 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" I like having the extra carry space and don't mind a good backpack on my back. I went to a company that designs extreme sports gear and has a powersports line. I went to Colemans and picked up one of these: http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=6809&department=634 &division=6 Got a good deal. Thanks Colemans. It is a nice bag with a lot of extras. I won't review it until I have had it for at least a month. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 10:52:35 2004 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:52:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Custer,Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Gear to carry gear Cc: "'julian@XXXXXX'" -----Original Message----- From: "Custer, Carl" Julian Halton lamented, "Well my second backpack bit the dust yesterday when the shoulder strap half-detached from the pack itself. Is there such a thing as a durable compact backpack?" [Carl]: Dunno but I used a $20 JanSport for many years -- until they "awarded" me a brief case bag. .... Carl in Bethesda Have Givis, will travel ------ I've been using a musette bag from REI for a couple of years. It's large enough to hold a lot of stuff, but small enough to fit in the "small" of your back when riding. I wore it on a daily basis when I had the VF500F as a commuter bike, which had no luggage. Now it fits nicely into the Givi top case on either the KLR or VFR. It holds all my work stuff and has a padded sleeve inside for a laptop. The bag also works well for cameras and other gear and for day hikes. It's the bag I carry when flying too. Fits under the seat. Good multi-purpose bag. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 10:56:22 2004 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:56:01 -0400 From: Skip To: Daniel CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: trailer lights jc whitless? usually pretty good prices. might check out harbor freight. when I do price shopping, I have to try to remember that the time I'm using in shopping to save a couple dollars has a dollar value. at some point ( havent' quite figured it out...yet) spending more time looking for cheaper prices loses its' cost effectiveness. Daniel wrote: > > need to replace trailer lights. Anyone happen to know who has the > best prices? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 10:56:25 2004 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:57:13 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Rob Sharp CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper How about this one...check out the price tag on this nifty garment! http://www2.victoriassecret.com/category/index.cfm?cgnbr=OSGIFFANZZZ&rfnbr=1688&rfnbr=1688 Laura Roach www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 11:09:04 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Laura Roach Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:10:22 -0500 yeah but chicks are worth spending that type of money. OCC choppers aren't :-) Rob On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:57:13 -0400, Laura Roach wrote > How about this one...check out the price tag on this nifty garment! > > http://www2.victoriassecret.com/category/index.cfm?cgnbr=OSGIFFANZZZ&rfnbr=1688&rfnbr=1688 > > Laura Roach > www.speedwerks.com -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 11:34:18 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Gear to carry gear Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:34:01 -0400 Hudson Trail has a lot of day packs that are good for riding. North Face has one called the big shot. It's nice and fits a lot without feeling like a huge pack. I'll be there tonight come by and say hello. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:53 AM To: Custer,Carl; 'DCCycles' Cc: 'julian@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Gear to carry gear -----Original Message----- From: "Custer, Carl" Julian Halton lamented, "Well my second backpack bit the dust yesterday when the shoulder strap half-detached from the pack itself. Is there such a thing as a durable compact backpack?" [Carl]: Dunno but I used a $20 JanSport for many years -- until they "awarded" me a brief case bag. .... Carl in Bethesda Have Givis, will travel ------ I've been using a musette bag from REI for a couple of years. It's large enough to hold a lot of stuff, but small enough to fit in the "small" of your back when riding. I wore it on a daily basis when I had the VF500F as a commuter bike, which had no luggage. Now it fits nicely into the Givi top case on either the KLR or VFR. It holds all my work stuff and has a padded sleeve inside for a laptop. The bag also works well for cameras and other gear and for day hikes. It's the bag I carry when flying too. Fits under the seat. Good multi-purpose bag. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 11:49:43 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:49:17 -0400 Yeah, but what size is it?? LindaT. www.CustomTankBags.com Hollywood, FL IBA,BMWBMW,AMA '99 R1100RT Mr Buzzy '95 F3 Purple Haze '00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Laura Roach said: How about this one...check out the price tag on this nifty garment! http://www2.victoriassecret.com/category/index.cfm?cgnbr=OSGIFFANZZZ&rfnbr=1 688&rfnbr=1688 Laura Roach www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 11:51:08 2004 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:49:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper At 09:54 AM 10/27/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >LOL yep and just the other day I saw all those "rebel" SUV's lined up in front of Walmart with their Harley stickers on the rear windows. I don't have one of those...I went with the hitch plug instead. Never been to Walmart though...what sort of choppers do they carry? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 11:54:27 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:54:15 -0400 > > From: Laura Roach > Date: 2004/10/27 Wed AM 10:57:13 EDT > To: Rob Sharp > CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper > > How about this one...check out the price tag on this nifty garment! > > http://www2.victoriassecret.com/category/index.cfm?cgnbr=OSGIFFANZZZ&rfnbr=1688&rfnbr=1688 > > Laura Roach > www.speedwerks.com uh...what garment? 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 11:56:23 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:56:10 -0400 > > From: "Rob Sharp" > Date: 2004/10/27 Wed AM 11:10:22 EDT > To: Laura Roach > CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper > > yeah but chicks are worth spending that type of money. OCC choppers aren't :-) > > Rob > I'm going to wait until Costco stocks Jessie James bikes then I can charge it to my Amex card. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 11:56:44 2004 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:54:50 -0400 To: "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gear to carry gear From: "Custer, Carl" > >Julian Halton lamented, >"Well my second backpack bit the dust yesterday when the shoulder strap >half-detached from the pack itself. Is there such a thing as a durable >compact backpack?" > >[Carl]: Dunno but I used a $20 JanSport for many years -- until they >"awarded" me a brief case bag. Don't know how comfy or capacious it is, but this one should be of interest to all you speed merchants...low drag: http://www.lockitt.com/LGSpeedPac.htm -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 13:34:09 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: SABMAG@XXXXXX, "'DCCycles'" Subject: Seasonal warning: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:37:30 -0400 The &%$# forest rat thread brings to mind the seasonal warning. It's been a couple of years. Kiwis and the Western Isle folks can reverse the seasons. [Autumn]: There're wet leaves on the roads. They offer crappy traction* so beware. Autumn also brings out the horny forest rats. These #%$@ God's creatures are more focused on getting laid than avoiding whatever is coming down the road. So, take care. If you see one cross the road, there is likely another and another . . . coming. [Joyful Holidays]: In a month, the holidays will tempt many drivers to go forth to seek gifts for their loved ones. You are not among their loved ones so stay the hell outta their way. A few of these joy-givers are aggressive and you're just a small surmountable obstacle. Most are not aggressive but are timorous and scared sh**less of the traffic. That doesn't make them less dangerous. Just stay out of their way. Oh, and some have a few shots of Holiday Joy neath their belts so do not expect reasonable reactions from any cage driver (see horny forest rats). [Winter]: Crisp winter days bring spots of black ice in the shadows. Plus, in our area, prognostications of sprinkles can result in eight inches of snow (or: Oh my God -- that's 200 millimeters of the stuff!) Keep your wits about you and take the meteorological auguries with a grain of salt.** Hypothermia can dull your senses as well as several tots of rum. I'll bow to others' expertise on avoiding it (Got my Gerbings and Polartec -- both highly recommended). [Ah Spring]: You're Jonesing for a ride on that first >4C/40F day. Still, keep and eye out for those spots of black ice lurking in the shadows and the $#@% sand left in the corners (That goes double for the ball-bearing cinders Ohio used on 555.) [Summer]: What the heck can happen in Summer? Well . . . There's the first rain after a couple of weeks. All that dry icky stuff from tires and soil mixes with the fresh rainwater and produces a slippery goo. If it's a good shower, 'tis better to wait a few minutes for the spooge to flow into the gutters. If it's just a drizzle, proceed with caution. That goes triple for you folks in the Western U.S. with alkaline soils. Oh, yeah, warm days tempt one to doff the gear. Well, this is a good time to add a mesh jacket and pants to your Saturnalia list -- or go forth and pick up one from the clearance racks. So, go forth and enjoy your riding. Take care and I'll try to scare you next Autumn. Carl in Bethesda *Traction: Traction is like money - it's better to have and not need, than to need & not have... Dave Y (DCCycles) ** Salt + bike = bad. Fall is also a good time to wash and dry the dark regions of your bike then spritz some Boeshield T-9 into those nether regions. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 16:28:11 2004 Subject: Insurance Virginia Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:28:07 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: All, Sorry to rehash the wheel but I do need insurance on my 02 R6, with three bumps on my record Progressive is offering $1637 a year. Does anyone have any other suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 17:05:06 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance Virginia Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:04:54 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de262f888a0a229eb7e278e050908b43c24b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Sorry to rehash the wheel but I do need insurance on my 02 R6, with > three bumps on my record Progressive is offering $1637 a year. Does > anyone have any other suggestions? > I always had good luck with State Farm. Their policy was, and still might be, to charge based on engine size only. They made didn't differentiate between cruisers or sportbikes. $1637 is pretty hefty. I think I pay less for two cars, a bike, and a house. -Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 18:19:01 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=AbM1Ru2W3eo5ENLWZEwpwU5GqRF9O40ONkfwriTCajg3syR+v5WJBrlSoqyuxpfcsYBbVmJIJKszvN/nWeg07yBxZyNC04N187gwf4WHX4btw2fh4VLcgpTJ5kNSvx+vDpKcB5dfiJsFvxPMf4K1sQ3joyTYV20o5kpPluPdFxE= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:18:54 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Insurance Virginia Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sorry to rehash the wheel but I do need insurance on my 02 R6, with > three bumps on my record Progressive is offering $1637 a year. If you're an AMA member, you can get a discount with Progressive (AMA Surerider program). Not sure how much for you, but I'm paying about $500/year for full coverage. On three bikes. Total. Michael J. (Certified Old Fart with a (reasonably) clean record). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 20:43:35 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Ballston holiday parking Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:43:12 -0400 I had occasion, a couple of weeks ago, to attempt parking in the main Ballston Mall garage. It had been a bunch of months since I cruised in and comfortably parked next to the main elevators (a sometimes occurrence). Not so this time. Just as I was parking, a (courteous, all considered) security fellow approached and said motorcycles now had their special place on the ground floor. With some consternation and trailbreaking, the area turned up, next to the Randolph St. entrance (prior to the car entrance gates) and a long walk from the elevators. There is a separate payment routine involving $2 (exact change) for 8 hours, IIRC. A later talk with the garage manager revealed that the months-ago change came about because of a gate/mc accident, currently in litigation. I also got a lengthy briefing as to why garage tollgates and motorcycles don't mix - the usual suspects of weight, size, and hasty lowering. Boiling down, this new scheme encourages a search for street parking near a desired entrance, rather than the previous comfy straight shots to the main elevators. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Not happy, being nudged to the street. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 27 21:20:30 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:20:18 EDT Subject: Re: Great safety accessory! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/25/2004 12:57:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > I try to go to movies at times when the theaters aren't too crowded so > there's less chance of that. The early shows on the weekends, the 5pm > shows on weekdays, etc. Movie? What is this movie thing of which you speak? Having a cell go off during live theater is _far_ worse then it is in a movie theater, it not only distracts the audience but the actors. (And the crew (me)) > If I was in a crowded theater where that happened I'd be strongly tempted > to say into the darkness something like, "Well! I guess *someone* felt > they were too *special* to follow the rules...". You are _much_ nicer then I am.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 08:15:01 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:14:56 -0400 Does it come with the airbrush? --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Roach" To: "Rob Sharp" Cc: "Wayne Edelen" ; Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Ok, now I've seen everythng - Sams Club/OCC Chopper > How about this one...check out the price tag on this nifty garment! > > http://www2.victoriassecret.com/category/index.cfm?cgnbr=OSGIFFANZZZ&rfnbr=1688&rfnbr=1688 > > Laura Roach > www.speedwerks.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 09:25:48 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Subject: riding today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If anyone has the bug, I will be leaving for Blue ridge in about an hour and a half. If you feel like riding call my cell 202.285.7121 Yippee!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 10:22:01 2004 From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Insurance Virginia Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:21:03 -0400 >If you're an AMA member, you can get a discount with Progressive YMMV - When I renewed this past year Progressive said they no longer have an AMA discount. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 11:15:12 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:10:53 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: VTX/cruiser range Hey, Gotta buddy considering buying a used '03 VTX, its got vanson pipes and a power commander. The owner has graciously let my buddy ride to work a coupla time this week. The tank range doesn't seem right. It's 4.5gal, my buddy says he can't make a round trip. He needs to stop on the way back home, his commute is about 45 miles one way. So he's around 90miles on the tank without much left in it. I see mostly cruisers on my way to work, and I know they are probably 50+ miles one way (i see them at beginning on 95 HOV, and they don't get off a last exit before pentagon). It seems to me a stock VTX should get 120 to 130 miles to the tank. Do any cruiser types have similar experience? Does a VTX get really bad gas mileage? He's gonna play with the power commander, and he doesn't ride too fast 65 to 75mph. He likes cruisers, and this bike is a good deal, talking him into a touring bike won't work ;). Thanks for any input, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 11:24:58 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:24:44 -0400 To: DC-CYCLES From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: VTX/cruiser range At 11:10 AM 10/28/04 -0400, De Boeser, Tom wrote: >4.5gal, my buddy says he can't make a round trip. He needs to stop on >the way back home, his commute is about 45 miles one way. So he's >around 90miles on the tank without much left in it. That's ~20 mpg. That does seem wrong...maybe the power commander is set way too rich? I think that should result in a lot of soot in the pipes, and maybe some black plugs...but IANAM. > Do any cruiser types have similar experience? My Herritage Softail has a Stage 1 kit on it (more open air cleaner and a new download for the EFI) and some less restrictive pipes, but not as open as many. I've also got a power tuner on it, but not a Power Commander...mine's a little simpler than that. I get about 42 mpg on the highway even with some back roads putting included. Lowest I've seen so far was 35 mpg, which included parking lot practice and getting stuck in traffic. Before the mods to bump the HP slightly I was seeing 45 mpg for mixed riding, and up to 48 for highway alone. >Does a VTX get really bad gas mileage? That one sure seems to... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 11:33:26 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y0QRxrHpnN6MwSt4yu1Lp1qpnBS5p+od5ka4rhDUVLr/5VaFOfi2DyboN2VFxGSpYA77BYnK/CLTln+gKPlRa0A6xrf/jdwHwOM4qDLZiBFNMlMj7EFI55itu0I3p3k8/b0ndHl2m5ODFxWdAx6ZCmaxqDeT6U4mp7USEEJF5qQ= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:32:49 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: Online NOW - M/C safety On the Post's website: http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/04/carsafety_102804.htm Motorcycle Safety Marietta Bowen Motorcyle Safety Expert, NHTSA Thursday, October 28, 2004; 11:00 a.m. ET Marietta Bowen is an expert on motorcycle safety for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). She's based at the Department of Transportation's headquarters in Washington, D.C. The latest government figures show that motorcycle fatalities in the U.S. increased more than seventy percent during the six-year period ending in 2003. What's behind this alarming trend? One factor is that more people age 40 and over, who've had little training or experience in riding motorcycles, are taking to the roads. Those who fail to use protective gear are more likely to be injured or killed. Alcohol and speed are also common factors in these crashes. During this discussion, Marietta will answer your questions about motorcycle safety. She'll also focus on the steps riders can take to increase their skills on the road, such as enrolling in rider training and education programs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 11:33:52 2004 Subject: RE: VTX/cruiser range Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:33:52 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-CYCLES" > range doesn't seem right. It's 4.5gal, my buddy says he > can't make a round trip. He needs to stop on the way back > home, his commute is about 45 miles one way. So he's around > 90miles on the tank without much left in it. I can only give you the stats from a couple of cruisers that I'm familiar with... My Shadow 1100 got about 48 mpg average (with big-assed windshield). Victory C2 1500 gets about 40 mpg (also with big-assed windshield). There's something WAY wrong with the VTX tuning. He's getting 20 mpg! If the PC has a "factory" setting, put it back on that and see what if that makes a difference. Somebody tweaked something WAY wrong (or there's a leak somewhere). Check plugs, pipe, etc. Either it's mixture is WAY off or the PC is just doing something very odd. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 11:42:17 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:42:07 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Online NOW - M/C safety To: DC Cycles > One factor is that more people age 40 and over, who've had >little training or experience in riding motorcycles, are >taking to the roads. Those who fail to use protective gear >are more likely to be injured or killed. Alcohol and >speed are also common factors in these crashes. [Dave] It seems pretty clear to me that in order to stop the carnage, we need graduated licensing for those over 40, more stringent prohibitions over 50. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 13:51:17 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'motorcycle@XXXXXX'" Subject: trailer lights Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:54:41 -0400 Daniel claimed, "need to replace trailer lights. Anyone happen to know who has the best prices?" My favorites are Auto Zone (All over) and Tractor Supply The Mt. Airy and Leesburg stores store offer several options to make it an interesting trip. And you could comparison shop at a W-Mart along the way. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 14:52:32 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:52:23 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Online NOW - M/C safety At 11:42 AM 10/28/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >> One factor is that more people age 40 and over, who've had >>little training or experience in riding motorcycles, are >>taking to the roads. Those who fail to use protective gear >>are more likely to be injured or killed. Alcohol and >>speed are also common factors in these crashes. > >[Dave] It seems pretty clear to me that in order to stop the >carnage, we need graduated licensing for those over 40, more >stringent prohibitions over 50. Or perhaps people who just understand statistics and what *other* factors might be involved? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 15:02:40 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bdQ5KeQ7sGLyRVl6gdDxEY7jP9hmXLeDdOVqPZbDhrS9Fe60VXXU8/wUXB3Y3350U3XblvB7JklkxqRXDKvMXcw7X6KysORRaK1Gmwgkgx0gCXsAAAIZwhfvo+n4V2aLkWV71QaojZLzY+xvrVTO0r5rYtrEBzlpFtvYYPCO9BM= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:02:27 -0400 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Online NOW - M/C safety Cc: DC Cycles > [Dave] It seems pretty clear to me that in order to stop the > carnage, we need graduated licensing for those over 40, more > stringent prohibitions over 50. How 'bout us old farts who've been riding consistently since 1961 or so? You do need to factor in experience. If you really want to see some alarming stats, look at the kids on 600cc sport bikes. Michael J. Motoring off slowly into the sunset. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 15:11:15 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:11:08 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Online NOW - M/C safety At 03:02 PM 10/28/2004, Michael Jordan wrote: >How 'bout us old farts who've been riding consistently since 1961 or so? > >You do need to factor in experience. > >If you really want to see some alarming stats, look at the kids on >600cc sport bikes. Either Motorcyclist, the AMA Rag or possibly Cycle World had an article about this a couple of months ago. The new to biking over 45+- crowd dramatically increased rider injury, death and DWI stats more than any other age group in the past few years. A good portion of the injuries/deaths occurred in states that recently dropped their helmet laws. I'm anti helmet law and pro-wearing-a-helmet. I don't want to see these out of control asshats upping my insurance rates. I'm all for graduated licenses for ALL drivers and forced rider safety courses. Wouldn't hurt to make everyone ride a bike and motorcycle in traffic so they know what we face. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 16:09:19 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:09:12 -0400 From: corey Reply-To: corey To: dc Cycles Subject: Continuances & Traffic Court X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: So I got a continuance on my speeding ticket case, hoping that I would walk in after 11/15/04 with a sparkly clean record. Unfortunately, my case only got bumped to 11/8/04. Anyone know what the chances of me getting a 2nd continuance is and if there would be any negative repercussions? ___________________________________________ corey [journal] www.egoinc.org [portfolio] www.blanksky.com [forum] www.dcstreet.com It's not what you do for a living, it's what you live for doing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 16:24:40 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:24:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: dc Cycles >So I got a continuance on my speeding ticket case, hoping >that I would walk in after 11/15/04 with a sparkly clean >record. Unfortunately, my case only got bumped to 11/8/04. >Anyone know what the chances of me getting a 2nd continuance >is and if there would be any negative repercussions? [Dave] Act now, and it's likely. I got 3 continuances on one once. Wouldn't it be a crying shame if you were to have a doctor's appointment on the same date as the current court date? Or, you might not be able to work out a mutually acceptable appointment time with a lawyer in time for the next court date. Go prepared to win in court, or don't go at all. Why spend the time and effort, plus time away from work to go plead guilty? Why not use this time to talk to a lawyer? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 16:26:00 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:25:56 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: dc Cycles Here's what can happen when you go in prepared: >http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavtx/0436031.txt Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 16:42:27 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RxG4Q/BMa6O7miWJQI1NGQoHc1rIyZE8a4LBrN3zbFgA4cVV1Kbxudz8roZuygqY57lck53AfyTNM/LDu4/3E+sa5A4bfp0sMnz5HZWG2ANeYQaBQ1da5p4Q05b6uKNZQH9isLpToAq2bJmzn+xFA8wc11OGYxyfLXUA9BeQCWA= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:42:04 -0400 From: Robert Reply-To: Robert To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court Cc: dc Cycles That's a fair amount of preparation (and appealed, no less) to get out of a ticket for eleven over. Still, nice defense, a default highway speed of 55 unless supported by a traffic study on file is pretty slick thinking! Robert On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:25:56 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > Here's what can happen when you go in prepared: > > >http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavtx/0436031.txt > > Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 16:45:43 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:45:38 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: dc Cycles >That's a fair amount of preparation (and appealed, no less) >to get out of a ticket for eleven over. Still, nice >defense, a default highway speed of 55 unless supported by a >traffic study on file is pretty slick thinking! [Dave] Some people don't like the idea of traffic cops making the world safe for terrorists. Others just don't like the idea of state sponsored revenue collection masquerading as law enforcement. Still others like the idea of not have hundreds of dollars worth of insurance surcharges every year ... Your mileage may vary of course... I guess if you're a habitual speeder, and not a cop, it's a good investment to know how to defend yourself in court... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 16:46:20 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: VTX/cruiser range To: "De Boeser, Tom" , DC-CYCLES What mileage is he actually getting. I had a friend with a Kawasaki ZZR600 (ZX6E) In a 5 gallon tank the top gallon is above the fuel gauge, the next two run it from full to reserve and the last two gallons get burned after that. Kawasaki was very conservative with that bike. My ZX6D doesn't have a fuel gauge, the low fuel light in the 5 gallon tank comes on with 1/3 tank left. Leon Begeman --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Hey, > Gotta buddy considering buying a used '03 VTX, its > got vanson pipes > and a power commander. The owner has graciously let > my buddy ride to > work a coupla time this week. The tank range > doesn't seem right. It's > 4.5gal, my buddy says he can't make a round trip. > He needs to stop on > the way back home, his commute is about 45 miles one > way. So he's > around 90miles on the tank without much left in it. > I see mostly cruisers on my way to work, and I > know they are probably > 50+ miles one way (i see them at beginning on 95 > HOV, and they don't get > off a last exit before pentagon). It seems to me a > stock VTX should get > 120 to 130 miles to the tank. > Do any cruiser types have similar experience? > Does a VTX get really > bad gas mileage? He's gonna play with the power > commander, and he > doesn't ride too fast 65 to 75mph. He likes > cruisers, and this bike is > a good deal, talking him into a touring bike won't > work ;). > > Thanks for any input, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 16:54:20 2004 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:54:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Online NOW - M/C safety To: Michael Jordan , Dave Yates Cc: DC Cycles --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > [Dave] It seems pretty clear to me that in order > to stop the > > carnage, we need graduated licensing for those > over 40, more > > stringent prohibitions over 50. > > How 'bout us old farts who've been riding > consistently since 1961 or so? > > You do need to factor in experience. > I think I disagree with both of you. How am I ever going to collect social security if we don't allow a few of those other old guys to eliminate themselves. No graduated licensing; let us ride anything we can afford to buy. The old guys can afford the more lethal toys. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 28 19:52:54 2004 From: Daniel To: Dave Yates Cc: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:52:40 -0400 You also fail to consider the persons current situation. If you've already got a lot of points and you're about to be suspended... well it doesn't seem like so much work, to keep your liscense. On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:45:38 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >>That's a fair amount of preparation (and appealed, no less) >>to get out of a ticket for eleven over. Still, nice >>defense, a default highway speed of 55 unless supported by a >>traffic study on file is pretty slick thinking! > >[Dave] Some people don't like the idea of traffic cops >making the world safe for terrorists. Others just don't like >the idea of state sponsored revenue collection masquerading >as law enforcement. Still others like the idea of not have >hundreds of dollars worth of insurance surcharges every >year ... Your mileage may vary of course... > >I guess if you're a habitual speeder, and not a cop, it's a >good investment to know how to defend yourself in court... > > >Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 09:43:49 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: Daniel , Dave Yates Cc: dc Cycles Then the person should spend an equal amount of time devoted to simply not getting the tickets in the first place. --- Daniel wrote: > You also fail to consider the persons current > situation. > If you've already got a lot of points and you're > about to be > suspended... well it doesn't seem like so much work, > to keep your > liscense. > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 10:03:08 2004 From: To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:02:48 -0400 > > From: Todd Withrow > Date: 2004/10/29 Fri AM 09:43:39 EDT > To: Daniel , Dave Yates > CC: dc Cycles > Subject: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court > > Then the person should spend an equal amount of time > devoted to simply not getting the tickets in the first > place. > ..you mean, like OBEY the law? Heaven forbid. That seems to be a foreign concept on this list. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 10:11:09 2004 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:10:34 -0400 Has anybody seen this/ I have and I found it pretty interesting. Its on BRAVO TV. On Thursdays at 10pm. Check out the link below. http://www.bravotv.com/Long_Way_Round/ --Altaan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 10:35:35 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:34:20 -0400 To: dc Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court At 10:02 AM 10/29/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: Todd Withrow >> Then the person should spend an equal amount of time >> devoted to simply not getting the tickets in the first >> place. > >..you mean, like OBEY the law? Heaven forbid. That seems to be a foreign concept on this list. ;-) Yeah, can't have that! Of course, there is an alternative to slowing down to the posted limit (or at least below some others in the vicinity), signalling, staying in a lane, stopping at red lights, etc.. You can always start a political movement and get the laws adjusted to be more compatible with the way you want to ride. They aren't written in stone. Or move somewhere where the laws aren't as strict or as well enforced. Or become a cop and do it legally. There are always alternatives if you think about it. You don't *have* to just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch about it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 10:39:49 2004 Subject: Out sick - gone riding Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:39:47 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "dc Cycles" 8:27 AM The deep gong of my alarm slams me from four and a half hours of sleep into the realm of the living. Normally it is a struggle to emerge from my bed. I look at the time and my heart beat trip hammers. Must get to work and get my bike out of the garage before "upper-level administration" arrives. I throw on some clothes and head down to the corporate lot. How to get my bike out with the least possible noise\sight trail. I ease into an out of the way spot and gather my keys and helmet. I emerge from the car and can the lot. EHHH! There is my V.P! I duck behind a pillar while the other corporate drones pass me by wondering what on earth I am up to. The V.P heads to the elevator and neglects to see my be-leathered self poking my head out from behind a pillar. Shaking I jump on my bike and duck-walk it to a remote corner where I can start it properly. Out the side entrance and it is Freedom. I eat, check the tire pressure and change the oil. The sun is shining and nothing else matters. Heading down the 66 as I near Manassas I cross this line of thin cloud and the sun is gone. The drivers around me are aggressive and are playing musical lanes. 29 to 55 and I am chilled. Despite being in layers and my Vanson leathers it is cold out here. The 55 is a nice quiet ride. Back on the 66 and a JMU law student is pacing me in her Toyota Corolla. Passes me cuts in front of me and brakes. I signal, pass left and head back into the right lane. She pulls out passes me and does the cut in and brake dance. B-E-0-T-C-H! At last my exit is coming up and I am in Front Royal. Nice little town and then it is on to Skyline Drive. The colors seem different this year. No vibrant reds.....just russet brown. Am treated to a nice ride. I pass Thornton Gap and head towards Lewis mountain. I am cruising, not pushing, not performance riding just cruising. I ride till Bootens Gap and then turn around. Chilled to the bone, the sun is nowhere to be seen and my thumbpad crushing Olympia gauntlets are working their evil magic. The wind down my neck is an annoyance. Heading back I veer off at 211. The last time I was there, it was a memorial ride for a rider from dc.sportbikes.com. I don't feel locked into my bike and feel a slight sense of foreboding. Pick-up trucks, Corvettes and beat up cars are flying by me heading up the mountain. I see white knuckles and glares of concentration as if sheer willpower alone can turn a jalopy into a racing machine. I pass by a wreath laid at the scene of that rider's fatal accident. I notice the rumble strips. A car behind me gets way too close so I pull over to watch them brake their way down the mountain. Heading back up the mountain, I am not enjoying myself as much as I should be. I pick my lines and stay well within my lane. One steep corner and a Mustang heading the other way has crossed the yellow line. Back up at the Gap I pass a crew of Harley riders and waves are exchanged. I decide to start trekking back. A few observations about Virginia that day. George Bush must own the state as there is not a house or car without a big GW sticker. The driving is rotten. Moody and tense people weaving around with half their brain shut down. By time I hit Georgetown, I am glad but frustrated. A helmetless and clueless scooter driver cuts across two lanes of traffic and almost slams into my left side. I yell "what the F!". He sits there after coming within inches of my bike and starts to get upset at me for my choice of words. My Olympia gloves may not be great for riding but the kevlar reinforced knuckles are in target acquisition mode. Finally the light changes and I slip away as Mr. Scooter gives me the staredown. Anyday not at my desk is a great one but I felt a little let down by Virginia yesterday. The minute I hit Falls Church I was back in the sun and the atmosphere brightened. 211 was kind of like Luke Skywalker's vision in a cave...a grim warning of what could be. The cold asphalt and my tire were not bonding and there was a lot of traffic. For those of you still with me, I need some recommendations on layering. This was my set up: Bicycle long pants T-shirt Fleece fest Earplugs Balaclava Vanson technical pants Vanson sport rider jacket Olympia gloves Glove liner bout at 7-11 I was still chilled to the point of being distracted. Despite certain drivers and the weather's best effort it was a good ride and after about seven hours or so I am already looking forward to the next adventure. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 10:53:44 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > There are always alternatives if you think about it. You don't *have* to > just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch about it. Every person on this list breaks speed limit laws every time they get in a car or ride their bike. If they don't, they don't live in the DC area. On a busy road/interstate, you end up going with the flow of traffic. Around here, that's 10-20 over, depending on the lane and road. When I'm riding my bike, I am generally traveling a few MPH faster or slower than the flow (ok, 99.99% of the time it's faster) as I feel it gives me a more offensive position when confronting cagers. I'm sure all you do-gooders never breaking the speed limit signs are in the gym everyday, eat right, don't smoke, don't drink, don't swear and don't cheat on your taxes ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 11:02:58 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:01:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: Wayne Edelen , dc Cycles True. But some people seem to constantly have 2, 3 or 4 violations on their record and others don't. There are some decisions we can make which impacts the frequency of violations. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > There are always alternatives if you think about > it. You don't *have* to > > just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch > about it. > > Every person on this list breaks speed limit laws > every time they get in a > car or ride their bike. If they don't, they don't > live in the DC area. > > On a busy road/interstate, you end up going with the > flow of traffic. > Around here, that's 10-20 over, depending on the > lane and road. When I'm > riding my bike, I am generally traveling a few MPH > faster or slower than > the flow (ok, 99.99% of the time it's faster) as I > feel it gives me a more > offensive position when confronting cagers. > > I'm sure all you do-gooders never breaking the speed > limit signs are in > the gym everyday, eat right, don't smoke, don't > drink, don't swear and > don't cheat on your taxes ;-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 11:03:32 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:03:16 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Out sick - gone riding At 10:39 AM 10/29/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >you still with me, I need some recommendations on layering. >This was my set up: >Bicycle long pants >T-shirt >Fleece fest >Earplugs >Balaclava >Vanson technical pants >Vanson sport rider jacket >Olympia gloves >Glove liner bout at 7-11 That sounds pretty reasonable for moderately cold temps...but if you were still cold more is obviously needed. Biggest help would probably be a windshield...but that may not be possible on your bike. Electric vest/pants/gloves/socks/grips? (though probably not all of those unless your alternator is exceptionally beefy!) I've been comfy as low as 26 degrees and 60 mph with long underwear, jeans and H-D FXRG leather pants, T-shirt, sweatshirt, leather vest, and FXRG jacket, Hunting socks and H-D combat-boot style riding boots, and H-D electric gloves with a full face helmet. With that setup I don't even close the jacket vents or turn on the glove power until it's below freezing...but I have a windshield that seriously reduces the wind chill for me. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 11:20:51 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:19:47 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , dc Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court At 11:11 AM 10/29/04 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> There are always alternatives if you think about it. You don't *have* to >> just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch about it. > >Every person on this list breaks speed limit laws every time they get in a >car or ride their bike. If they don't, they don't live in the DC area. Agreed...but not everyone here seems to get tickets at the same rate. For instance, I've been driving around here for 24 years and have yet to get a speeding ticket. (I got one in the wilds of southern Virginia Beach in '78 though...and it was well justified. ;-) As you suggest, I don't stay under the limit at all times...so why don't I get tickets? A lot of it is probably luck, but a fair bit is driving habits and observation. I'm never the fastest car (or bike) on the road...cops tend to go after the fastest ones as they can get bigger fines from them and it's more obvious they are guilty...and they are bigger dangers to others. If there's very little traffic, I tend to stay closer to the limit, particularly on roads cops tend to stake out, like interstates...there are fewer other potential "victims" and it's less likely any cops I might encounter are already "engaged". I don't weave in and out trying to "work my way through the pack"...that sort of thing just attracts attention. When traffic suddenly slows down on the open road, I don't dodge around it...as one reason it may be slowing suddenly is that folks up ahead just spotted a radar trap (that used to happen on I-495 inner loop just past the I-95 exit every morning years back). I don't tend to drive "cop bait" cars or bikes either. No red sportscars or brightly colored sports bikes...my one ticket was in a yellow '73 Capri V6. Since then I've had a grey Celica GT, a grey SUV and a white SUV, and my current bike is a blue-green and silver 50's looking semi-tour bike with windshield and saddle bags. My previous ones were a blue/grey Honda like Carl's and a white Yamaha enduro that was anything but fast-looking. Don't know how much each factor has played in my staying ticket-free, but it is possible to do around here, obviously. If you are getting a ticket a year, you are doing something wrong I think. >I'm sure all you do-gooders never breaking the speed limit signs are in >the gym everyday, eat right, don't smoke, don't drink, don't swear and >don't cheat on your taxes ;-) Well, I don't smoke, don't drunk much, and I don't cheat on my taxes...guilty on the rest. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 11:27:39 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:27:20 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Out sick - gone riding To: dc Cycles >At 10:39 AM 10/29/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >>you still with me, I need some recommendations on layering. >>This was my set up: >>Bicycle long pants >>T-shirt >>Fleece fest >>Earplugs >>Balaclava >>Vanson technical pants >>Vanson sport rider jacket >>Olympia gloves >>Glove liner bout at 7-11 [Dave] YMMV. I come from a long and distinguished line of cheapskates, so I don't have any electrics... For long rides in the 50's, I actually try to mimic Bib, the Michelin man. My cold gear includes, but is not limited to: Stich. long or short sleeve tee shirt (sweat shirt or longjohns if it's not going to warm up significantly ). long sleeve flannel shirt. gloves w/ liners again, if it's not going to warm significantly, longjohns. Jeans. scarf for neck protection / diffuse helmet windblast. Boots / hunting socks. With any additional layering beyond that, I'm having difficulty moving around on the bike. I find my biggest obstacle is wind chill. Not while I'm in the curves when I can work the clutch & throttle, but straightaways... MB suggested: >Biggest help would probably be a windshield...but that may >not be possible on your bike. [Dave] Zero G makes a lipped and bubbled windshield, but depending on your build, it may not help. It could actually make the highway head buffeting worse. On a sport bike, a certain amount of concession has to be made on low speed wind protection. The advantage of a sport bike is that you may conveniently tuck in behind the windshield. It's not really uncomfortable for short periods, but you have to balance it with normal riding (I do anyway). The unfaired wind buffeting does add to fatigue... >Electric vest/pants/gloves/socks/grips? (though probably >not all of those unless your alternator is exceptionally >beefy!) [Dave] All modern sport bikes can handle electrics, unless they have panache... Not sure if HD alternators are up to the task though. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 11:44:45 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:44:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: dc Cycles Wayne shined the light of truth: >>Every person on this list breaks speed limit laws every >>time they get in a car or ride their bike. If they don't, >>they don't live in the DC area. MB then: >Agreed...but not everyone here seems to get tickets at the >same rate. ... why don't I get tickets? [Dave] Do tell. > >A lot of it is probably luck, but a fair bit is driving >habits and observation. I'm never the fastest car (or bike) >on the road...cops tend to go after the fastest ones as they >can get bigger fines from them and it's more obvious they >are guilty...and they are bigger dangers to others. [Dave] These practices will help, but they will not always help you. There are several books on the market written by ex terrorist supporters (traffic cops) who detail what they use to select the "lucky winner". Many of them are referenced through the NMA or sold there www.motorists.org . Look for references to "poaching", excerpts tell of picking out specific makes of cars - BMW, Lexii, Infinity etc., sports cars. There was a tale of 'corvette day' by one department, etc... Out of state travellers are frequently stopped for under the personal threshold tickets because the cops know they are less likely to contest the tickets. >If there's very little traffic, I tend to stay closer to the >limit, ... [Dave] pretty sound advice. But what about when the limit has no bearing whatsoever to reality? Does anybody (besides me) actually try to go less than the Reckless driving speed around the beltway at the springfield interchange? Even in the far right lane at 70, I am mercilessly birded by passers by going 80-90... And those are the VA Troopers, the regular motorists are far worse ;-) Seriously, doing 50 (the posted limit) at any time of day there is asking to be rear ended, swerved around, passed on the shoulder or who knows what else... You can't always avoid that area, and you're almost never alone there... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 12:18:36 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm glad you guys are all angels. Maybe each of you can run for President in the next election since you are such law abiding citizens! Glenn --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:02 AM 10/29/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >> From: Todd Withrow > > >> Then the person should spend an equal amount of > time > >> devoted to simply not getting the tickets in the > first > >> place. > > > >..you mean, like OBEY the law? Heaven forbid. > That seems to be a foreign > concept on this list. ;-) > > Yeah, can't have that! > > Of course, there is an alternative to slowing down > to the posted limit (or > at least below some others in the vicinity), > signalling, staying in a lane, > stopping at red lights, etc.. You can always start > a political movement > and get the laws adjusted to be more compatible with > the way you want to > ride. They aren't written in stone. > > Or move somewhere where the laws aren't as strict or > as well enforced. > > Or become a cop and do it legally. > > There are always alternatives if you think about it. > You don't *have* to > just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch > about it. > > > > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI > for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 12:26:22 2004 Subject: RE: Out sick - gone riding Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:26:22 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" > For those of you > still with me, I need some recommendations on layering. > This was my set up: > Bicycle long pants > T-shirt > Fleece fest > Earplugs > Balaclava > Vanson technical pants > Vanson sport rider jacket > Olympia gloves > Glove liner bout at 7-11 > I was still chilled to the point of being distracted. Despite > certain drivers and the weather's best effort it was a good > ride and after about seven hours or so I am already looking > forward to the next adventure. In have two cold set ups I use... The temps right now are right between the two, so I try to anticipate if it's going to get colder throughout my ride and use that to determine whether I'm using my "cool" or "d@mn cold" setup. Cool: -Long sleeve T-shirt (I hate bare arms against any kind of jacket) -Fleece vest (Old Navy I think - cheap). -Firstgear leather jacket (an older Pilot I think) with liner. -Jeans -Firstgear Meshtek lowers -Wool socks -Sidi OnRoad boots -Swimmers earplugs -I haven't found good gloves for this set up yet - I go back and forth between several -As needed: cheap rain pants (go over the meshteks and block ALL wind) -As needed: Eddie Bauer pullover windbreaker (three layers of whatever it's made out of - also really good for stopping wind) D@mn cold: -Long sleeve T -Fleece vest -Jeans -Wool socks -Sidi On-roads -Swimmers earplugs -Silk glove liners -3-mil neoprene diving gloves -Firstgear Thermosuit (this is the key - it rocks) The diving gloves and the thermosuit make the biggest difference between the two setups. If I know it's going to be REALLY d@mn cold, I'll switch out the vest for a long sleeved fleece, but otherwise I usually plenty warm enough and don't have so much stuff packed on that I can't move. I have short fingers and I haven't found a set of decent MC gloves for cold weather that fit me yet. That's an ongoing quest. The diving gloves aren't convenient or really that comfortable, but they're better than frozen fingers. :) --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 12:48:01 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: Mark Kitchell , Wayne Edelen , dc Cycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > True. But some people seem to constantly have 2, 3 > or > 4 violations on their record and others don't. > There > are some decisions we can make which impacts the > frequency of violations. > > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > > There are always alternatives if you think about > > it. You don't *have* to > > > just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch > > about it. > > > > Every person on this list breaks speed limit laws > > every time they get in a > > car or ride their bike. If they don't, they don't > > live in the DC area. Oral sex is a felony in Virginia. However, choosing when and where you do it keeps you out of jail. The same can be said for exuberant riding. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 13:30:55 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:30:44 -0400 To: dc Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Electric horseman (was : Re: Out sick - gone riding) At 11:27 AM 10/29/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >MB suggested: >>Electric vest/pants/gloves/socks/grips? (though probably >>not all of those unless your alternator is exceptionally >>beefy!) > >[Dave] All modern sport bikes can handle electrics, unless >they have panache... Not sure if HD alternators are up to >the task though. Mine puts out 38 amps. The Ultras do more (they also draw more stock...radios, intercoms, extra lights, etc.). Older models do less. 38 amps is enough for several types of electrics all at once...particularly with a thermostat so you can run less than max current when necessary. Running all that I listed at full power would probably exceed what's available though. Gloves are about 1.5, and I'd guess socks are about the same. It's the vest and pants that really suck the juice...usually 6-7 amps each. Got to leave some for lights and engine too, so don't assume you can dedicate the full output to staying warm... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 14:50:22 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Electric horseman (was : Re: Out sick - gone riding) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:51:38 -0500 2 Points: 1) Motorcycles don't have alternators, right? 2) Don't they rate stators in watts (which is a product of Volt x Amps). Regards, Rob On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:30:44 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote > At 11:27 AM 10/29/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >MB suggested: > > >>Electric vest/pants/gloves/socks/grips? (though probably > >>not all of those unless your alternator is exceptionally > >>beefy!) > > > >[Dave] All modern sport bikes can handle electrics, unless > >they have panache... Not sure if HD alternators are up to > >the task though. > > Mine puts out 38 amps. The Ultras do more (they also draw more > stock...radios, intercoms, extra lights, etc.). Older models do less. > > 38 amps is enough for several types of electrics all at once...particularly > with a thermostat so you can run less than max current when > necessary. Running all that I listed at full power would probably > exceed what's available though. > > Gloves are about 1.5, and I'd guess socks are about the same. It's the > vest and pants that really suck the juice...usually 6-7 amps each. > > Got to leave some for lights and engine too, so don't assume you can > dedicate the full output to staying warm... > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 14:59:34 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:59:19 -0400 To: "Rob Sharp" , dc Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Electric horseman (was : Re: Out sick - gone riding) At 01:51 PM 10/29/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >2 Points: >1) Motorcycles don't have alternators, right? Current H-D have alternators...unless the service manual is wrong. I know earlier Harleys, WWII era for instance, had generators. >2) Don't they rate stators in watts (which is a product of Volt x Amps). H-D rates output in amps in the service manual. Page 8-1 of the 2004 Softail service manual. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 15:08:03 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:07:58 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: don't ride your dirt bike in the parking lot Between the tiny sportbikes, highway hooligans and the dirtbikes, our image is hurting. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9184-2004Oct29.html D.C. Boy Dies After Being Struck by Motorcycle Residents Say Speeding Is a Problem at Apartments Friday, October 29, 2004; 12:27 PM A 5-year-old boy died early this morning after he and another boy were struck by a motorcyclist while walking home from a day-care center in Southeast Washington yesterday afternoon, D.C. police said. Lawrence Yelverton of the 2300 block Hartford Street SE was pronounced dead at 4:45 a.m., about 12 hours after the accident, police said in a news release this morning. The other boy, who is 4 and has not been identified, was in serious condition at Children's Hospital. Authorities are searching for the motorcyclist, who fled the scene. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 16:05:21 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Never claimed to be an angel or perfect. I have had more than my fair share of speeding tickets. All were justified because I was actually speeding. WOW, imagine that. I actually got tickets and deserved them because I knew better. I paid the fine, took the driver improvement courses, paid the insurance premiums and learned my lesson. For the first 5 years of my riding/driving career, I averaged a ticket a year. For the next 10, I was getting them about every three years, now I am doing better than that. See, there is a learning curve. It is all a matter of where you are the curve. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > I'm glad you guys are all angels. Maybe each of you > can run for President in the next election since you > are such law abiding citizens! > > Glenn > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > At 10:02 AM 10/29/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > >> From: Todd Withrow > > > > >> Then the person should spend an equal amount of > > time > > >> devoted to simply not getting the tickets in > the > > first > > >> place. > > > > > >..you mean, like OBEY the law? Heaven forbid. > > That seems to be a foreign > > concept on this list. ;-) > > > > Yeah, can't have that! > > > > Of course, there is an alternative to slowing down > > to the posted limit (or > > at least below some others in the vicinity), > > signalling, staying in a lane, > > stopping at red lights, etc.. You can always > start > > a political movement > > and get the laws adjusted to be more compatible > with > > the way you want to > > ride. They aren't written in stone. > > > > Or move somewhere where the laws aren't as strict > or > > as well enforced. > > > > Or become a cop and do it legally. > > > > There are always alternatives if you think about > it. > > You don't *have* to > > just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Mike B. > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI > > for the non-Harley folks) > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning > from > > someone else's mistakes > > is better. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We > finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 16:10:54 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Todd Withrow'" , "'Glenn Dysart'" , Subject: RE: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:10:46 -0400 How does the insurance company catch up with you? Do they really poll your drivers record? How often, what do they look for? Any violations, points... -----Original Message----- From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:05 PM To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court Never claimed to be an angel or perfect. I have had more than my fair share of speeding tickets. All were justified because I was actually speeding. WOW, imagine that. I actually got tickets and deserved them because I knew better. I paid the fine, took the driver improvement courses, paid the insurance premiums and learned my lesson. For the first 5 years of my riding/driving career, I averaged a ticket a year. For the next 10, I was getting them about every three years, now I am doing better than that. See, there is a learning curve. It is all a matter of where you are the curve. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > I'm glad you guys are all angels. Maybe each of you can run for > President in the next election since you are such law abiding > citizens! > > Glenn > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > At 10:02 AM 10/29/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > >> From: Todd Withrow > > > > >> Then the person should spend an equal amount of > > time > > >> devoted to simply not getting the tickets in > the > > first > > >> place. > > > > > >..you mean, like OBEY the law? Heaven forbid. > > That seems to be a foreign > > concept on this list. ;-) > > > > Yeah, can't have that! > > > > Of course, there is an alternative to slowing down to the posted > > limit (or at least below some others in the vicinity), signalling, > > staying in a lane, stopping at red lights, etc.. You can always > start > > a political movement > > and get the laws adjusted to be more compatible > with > > the way you want to > > ride. They aren't written in stone. > > > > Or move somewhere where the laws aren't as strict > or > > as well enforced. > > > > Or become a cop and do it legally. > > > > There are always alternatives if you think about > it. > > You don't *have* to > > just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Mike B. > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the > > non-Harley folks) > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning > from > > someone else's mistakes > > is better. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 16:32:40 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I34y9HVm0Z0W+tmrF/uKkLPm5lFPSN6zfDycmqvdtrvKLLz+U0F0br5yrqb2vI4DGut+4n2Q4cVe/Fi9V7Z2gME3y7aIVSrYWq8+5UKGW0DcklYW+qeHm9rTWKNKoHYTWVgBJMhdQZD00n6lnegLJR/w3jWgY22mlj+wpqwcti0= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:32:30 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Electric horseman (was : Re: Out sick - gone riding) Cc: Rob Sharp , dc Cycles Most modern motorcycles have alternators (excepting a very few dirtbikes). Rating in watts (which is usual) or amps doesn't really matter since you can easily convert back and forth. Remember your basic electrical engineering --> P = I * V (power = current * voltage). Assuming a system voltage of 14 volts, for my bike's alternator, listed at 700 watts capacity at 4000 rpm, 700 watts = I (14) = approx 50 amps at that RPM. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:59:19 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 01:51 PM 10/29/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > >2 Points: > >1) Motorcycles don't have alternators, right? > > Current H-D have alternators...unless the service manual is wrong. I know > earlier Harleys, WWII era for instance, had generators. > > >2) Don't they rate stators in watts (which is a product of Volt x Amps). > > H-D rates output in amps in the service manual. Page 8-1 of the 2004 > Softail service manual. > > > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 16:44:01 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:43:45 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jim asks: >How does the insurance company catch up with you? Do they >really poll your drivers record? How often, what do they >look for? Any violations, points... [Dave] When you read the court case, did you notice the Appeals court bring up "Rule 5a:18" ? Essentially, it states that a defendant may not raise (new) evidence upon appeal, which was not raised at the trial court... This is kind of analogous to your driving record. If you don't contest the first ticket, you stand a lot worse chance of getting leniency on the 2nd and subsequent tickets... I don't know how often the Insurance companies check, but certainly close to renewal time. While it _used_ to be moving violations they looked at, now it is pretty much anything they can find that even remotely can be shown to trend to bad drivers. Among them are: accidents, speeding tickets, serious speeding tickets, radar detector infractions (Geico cancelled my parents' policy for it), non moving violations of political correctness (HOV, etc), previous claims, more than one nuissance claim, your neighborhood's crime rates, your credit report, and the list goes on. FWIW, I was in Virginia Arms 2 weeks ago and a officer was lamenting to his partner his tale of woe: It seems he was detained in UnFairTax county by one of their patrol officers. Upon the officer's introduction, he promptly produced his badge, to which she replied "have you been drinking?"... he (driver) stammered "uh...no... I'm with ... police deparment"... FFX "That's nice, please answer the question". He cont'd "I had only had 4 or 5 beers"... Poor baby ... got a ticket because he was misbehaving... 4 or 5 beers. I'd sure like to be that guy's insurance agent... Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:05 PM >To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court > >Never claimed to be an angel or perfect. I have had more than my fair share >of speeding tickets. All were justified because I was actually speeding. >WOW, imagine that. I actually got tickets and deserved them because I knew >better. I paid the fine, took the driver improvement courses, paid the >insurance premiums and learned my lesson. For the first 5 years of my >riding/driving career, I averaged a ticket a year. For the next 10, I was >getting them about every three years, now I am doing better than that. > >See, there is a learning curve. It is all a matter of where you are the >curve. > > >--- Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> I'm glad you guys are all angels. Maybe each of you can run for >> President in the next election since you are such law abiding >> citizens! >> >> Glenn >> >> --- Mike Bartman wrote: >> >> > At 10:02 AM 10/29/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> > >> From: Todd Withrow >> > >> > >> Then the person should spend an equal amount of >> > time >> > >> devoted to simply not getting the tickets in >> the >> > first >> > >> place. >> > > >> > >..you mean, like OBEY the law? Heaven forbid. >> > That seems to be a foreign >> > concept on this list. ;-) >> > >> > Yeah, can't have that! >> > >> > Of course, there is an alternative to slowing down to the posted >> > limit (or at least below some others in the vicinity), signalling, >> > staying in a lane, stopping at red lights, etc.. You can always >> start >> > a political movement >> > and get the laws adjusted to be more compatible >> with >> > the way you want to >> > ride. They aren't written in stone. >> > >> > Or move somewhere where the laws aren't as strict >> or >> > as well enforced. >> > >> > Or become a cop and do it legally. >> > >> > There are always alternatives if you think about >> it. >> > You don't *have* to >> > just ignore the laws, get caught and then bitch about it. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > -- Mike B. >> > >> > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the >> > non-Harley folks) >> > >> > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning >> from >> > someone else's mistakes >> > is better. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. >> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> >> > > >===== >AIM: Inf DS > >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to >childproof the world. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 18:14:45 2004 From: "jeremy.purdy" To: Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: VTX/cruiser range Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:23:07 -0400 The VTX is MUCH larger than my 650 V-Star, but I routinely get ~50 mpg, which equates to about 180-200 miles per tank. I have no experience with larger bikes, but 90 miles on a tank seems low for anything other than a Sportster with that stupid teardrop tank. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:10:53 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: VTX/cruiser range Hey, Gotta buddy considering buying a used '03 VTX, its got vanson pipes and a power commander. The owner has graciously let my buddy ride to work a coupla time this week. The tank range doesn't seem right. It's 4.5gal, my buddy says he can't make a round trip. He needs to stop on the way back home, his commute is about 45 miles one way. So he's around 90miles on the tank without much left in it. I see mostly cruisers on my way to work, and I know they are probably 50+ miles one way (i see them at beginning on 95 HOV, and they don't get off a last exit before pentagon). It seems to me a stock VTX should get 120 to 130 miles to the tank. Do any cruiser types have similar experience? Does a VTX get really bad gas mileage? He's gonna play with the power commander, and he doesn't ride too fast 65 to 75mph. He likes cruisers, and this bike is a good deal, talking him into a touring bike won't work ;). Thanks for any input, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 29 19:53:29 2004 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:53:18 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: VTX/cruiser range At 06:23 PM 10/29/04 -0400, jeremy.purdy wrote: >larger bikes, but 90 miles on a tank seems low for anything other than a >Sportster with that stupid teardrop tank. Sportsters weren't intended for long range cruising, so a small tank is forgivable...especially since they seem to have been designed more for oval dirt track racing, where long range isn't as important as lower weight and CG. Now that they've rubber-mounted the engines and generally made them more civilized, there is a larger tank on some models (I think that's as of the 2005 models, but it might have happened in 2004...don't pay much attention to Sportsters since they are too small for me to ride). One of the guys in the local HOGs ran out of gas while riding with a few sportsters on a long trip...and he was on an Ultra. Still hasn't lived that one down... ;-) -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 30 04:47:23 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.50) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Oct 2004 21:53:53 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:53:53 -0500 Subject: Place to leave a cage along I95 South My wife and I have plans later next month for a trip down south. Circumstances dictate that I'll ride over from Herndon; she'll be driving the cage down from Maryland. The plan is to meet somewhere along I95 south of the VA Beltway and leave the car on Saturday and perhaps some of Sunday, then retrieve it for the drive home. It'd be real neat not to find our car towed away in our absence, and not broken in to would be a bonus. Any suggestions? mojohand (GS-500E; W650) -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 30 09:29:58 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=k7dnC3wVmO7gp4lfEOsgGB9NBtbn6EkC/owoK4tXU1UIYA6pk/Ee4i+MkiPG066hcn1WrUlVQ/I7o/7urqIJzUL7//PZWj1G6q78JXwpFv3pt9rwm+dwEjB3//4DOQx2msR0dzMtRwmeK533bfA0zAtGO5IpqJYIafCCZPu35ro= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:29:55 -0400 From: Sunil Doshi Reply-To: Sunil Doshi To: David Blumgart Subject: Re: Place to leave a cage along I95 South Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 24 Hour Walmarts have always worked well for me. Just park in the thick of the parked cars. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:53:53 -0500, David Blumgart wrote: > My wife and I have plans later next month for a trip down south. Circumstances dictate that I'll ride over from Herndon; she'll be driving the cage down from Maryland. The plan is to meet somewhere along I95 south of the VA Beltway and leave the car on Saturday and perhaps some of Sunday, then retrieve it for the drive home. It'd be real neat not to find our car towed away in our absence, and not broken in to would be a bonus. Any suggestions? > > mojohand > (GS-500E; W650) > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 30 09:50:12 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Place to leave a cage along I95 South Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:49:48 -0400 David, If you're in the Herndon area, why don't you park it in Long-term parking at Dulles? It only costs $7 (or $8) per day and is reasonably safe. There is no charge for the first 20 minutes, so you can go in with her and then ride out together. Perry >From: "David Blumgart" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Place to leave a cage along I95 South >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:53:53 -0500 > >My wife and I have plans later next month for a trip down south. >Circumstances dictate that I'll ride over from Herndon; she'll be driving >the cage down from Maryland. The plan is to meet somewhere along I95 south >of the VA Beltway and leave the car on Saturday and perhaps some of Sunday, >then retrieve it for the drive home. It'd be real neat not to find our car >towed away in our absence, and not broken in to would be a bonus. Any >suggestions? > >mojohand >(GS-500E; W650) >-- >___________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com >http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 30 11:54:06 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BN4a+DHV0gFmplothyZeXL+KZoJwy/f+hmm4nSmAFkkNEumSbxo3ME7KOacsfzy5Bf6E/BhSAaCN/hGwZPNzFFk6A0hS9csyki+nV/3iRcJPsLMpwioL/wum0gXNcWtn2k0uvRd0bQ8AqdMucS0KxTmUkvIAqtWxZkjUU9DUisk= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:54:01 -0400 From: smthng else Reply-To: you@XXXXXX To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Out sick - gone riding > Back on the 66 and a JMU law student is pacing me in her Toyota Corolla. > Passes me cuts in front of me and brakes. I signal, pass left and head > back into the right lane. She pulls out passes me and does the cut in > and brake dance. B-E-0-T-C-H! I hate that. Seems to happen a lot on 66 as well. Generally that indicates to me that the bike either needs a brief exercise at redline or I need to pull over somewhere and take a quick break. :P > The colors seem different this year. No vibrant reds.....just russet > brown. I seem to recall it being like that the past two years. Unfortunately, it doesn't take very much to convince our Shenandoah trees to drop thier leaves and one or two rains pretty much knocks off anything of color. It's gorgeous when you can catch the leaves turning, but it's generally got to be a pretty dry season for that to happen. I ride till Bootens Gap and then turn around. Chilled to the > Anyday not at my desk is a great one but I felt a little let down by > Virginia yesterday. The minute I hit Falls Church I was back in the sun > and the atmosphere brightened. Sounds a little like my two days of following the hurricane. Not a whole lot of fun, but hella better than work. Speaking of which... "your desk"? Did you get a new job and not tell? While I don't envy the job I thought you had (did that in college for a while), I seem to recall that your desk is "stocked" like I wish mine was at times. :) > 211 was kind of like Luke Skywalker's > vision in a cave...a grim warning of what could be. The cold asphalt and > my tire were not bonding and there was a lot of traffic. I love 211 on a weekday afternoon around 2 or 3 pm, but hate it on weekends or in bad weather. It's loads of fun when you can really play on it, but it's fairly nerve-wracking in other conditions. Maybe we can get a decent run up there when I get my new scoot, hopefully before the weather turns really nasty for the winter. I'll email you off-list when I get an idea of when I might be able to if you like (still waiting on new bike... hopefully this week some time - I can convince the bosses I need a mental day for that). :) --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 30 12:37:55 2004 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: motorcycle parking at FedEx Field (w/ parking pass?) To: DC Cycles Does anyone know the motorcycle parking policy at FedEx Field for folks with [one] parking pass? A buddy has tickets and a parking pass and we're debating whether we need to cage up separately and park a car somewhere or IF we can take bikes and go in toghether (and occupy ONE parking space. I love to hear from someone with experience, not speculation. Thanks. I already tried to call the stadium today and they're closed. -Corbett ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 30 13:29:32 2004 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court To: Jim McGonigle , "'Glenn Dysart'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > How does the insurance company catch up with you? > Do they really poll your > drivers record? How often, what do they look for? > Any violations, > points... > They periodically review your record. Quite often after a claim. They never knew about a ticket I got until my son drove into the garage 3 years later. They did not care that I was +3 points on my driving record. They dont look at points as that is a DMV thing. They only look at type and number of tickets. At least mine does it that way. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 30 17:32:25 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc Cycles" , "Troutman" Subject: Re: don't ride your dirt bike in the parking lot Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:30:19 -0400 There was a longer story in today's WaPo. Maybe now the cops will take more of an interest in unlicensed bikes and unlicensed riders zooming around. They did, at one time, until they were ordered to back off, due to a crash during a chase. It usually takes the death of an innocent to get their attention. Maybe they'd manage to scoop up a few bike thieves too, in the process. I'll bet you a beer at the next bike night that the bike in question was liberated from its rightful owner. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10823-2004Oct29.html Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 90 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: "dc Cycles" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: don't ride your dirt bike in the parking lot > Between the tiny sportbikes, highway hooligans and the dirtbikes, our > image is hurting. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9184-2004Oct29.html > > > D.C. Boy Dies After Being Struck by Motorcycle > > > > > Residents Say Speeding Is a Problem at Apartments > > Friday, October 29, 2004; 12:27 PM > > A 5-year-old boy died early this morning after he and another boy were > struck by a motorcyclist while walking home from a day-care center in > Southeast Washington yesterday afternoon, D.C. police said. > > Lawrence Yelverton of the 2300 block Hartford Street SE was pronounced > dead at 4:45 a.m., about 12 hours after the accident, police said in a > news release this morning. > > The other boy, who is 4 and has not been identified, was in serious > condition at Children's Hospital. > > Authorities are searching for the motorcyclist, who fled the scene. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 30 17:40:46 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: DC DMV flubs plate renewal notification Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:38:45 -0400 One of these was me: the VFR specifically. I never received a notice, but I pay attention to my expiration dates and got it done well before the deadline. DMV didn't send out notices for two months, apparently. So DCers, check your plates if you rely on these notices and avoid an expensive ticket. The Director is correct that DMV only does this as a courtesy and they are not required to do so by law. --------------- Chagrined boss to fix D.C vehicle renewals By Denise Barnes and Matthew Cella THE WASHINGTON TIMES The director of the D.C. Department of Motor Vehicles yesterday publicly apologized for failing to notify thousands of car owners to renew their registrations. "I feel very badly about this, and we will be making a commitment to fixing it," said DMV Director Anne C. Witt. She issued her apology during a round-table meeting of the D.C. Council's Committee on Public Works and the Environment. Full story-- http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20041029-101347-8080r.htm Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 90 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 31 08:19:17 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KxA8IvA1mpLpQBPQZ3NELNWllaF76azlc+5pUGNgnuJ7uHDAE8X7UlaQmbMGYdxdzcblEH6nn3OB5tHEaoQSfjHXbcfq0PjWXdguBKLaZ5NX7Qxje8PJPSkUiJitNU1IBW540R13RiO05a5jAAKk7/j/rNgIlIGa9ZM6vepjDKw= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:19:10 -0500 From: Sunil Doshi Reply-To: Sunil Doshi To: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court Cc: Jim McGonigle , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Todd, Out of curiosity, who is your insurance provider? On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:29:23 -0700 (PDT), Todd Withrow wrote: > They periodically review your record. Quite often > after a claim. They never knew about a ticket I got > until my son drove into the garage 3 years later. They > did not care that I was +3 points on my driving > record. They dont look at points as that is a DMV > thing. They only look at type and number of tickets. > At least mine does it that way. -- sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 31 10:44:45 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Sunil Doshi , Todd Withrow Cc: Jim McGonigle , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Continuances & Traffic Court Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:46:06 -0500 X-Spam-Level: * I have Geico. I got a ticket for a 63 in a 45 in PA on memorial day. When I renewed my insurance on my bike (Sept 20th) it actually went down. I had moved and the bike was now stored in a garage. My car insurace went up a bit but thats cause I was going from no commute (work at home) to commuting every day. And it only went up like 100 bux/year. I am not 100% sure but I don't think they know I had a ticket. Rob On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:19:10 -0500, Sunil Doshi wrote > Todd, > Out of curiosity, who is your insurance provider? > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:29:23 -0700 (PDT), Todd Withrow > wrote: > > > They periodically review your record. Quite often > > after a claim. They never knew about a ticket I got > > until my son drove into the garage 3 years later. They > > did not care that I was +3 points on my driving > > record. They dont look at points as that is a DMV > > thing. They only look at type and number of tickets. > > At least mine does it that way. > > -- > > sunil > http://widepipe.org/ride/ -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 31 11:00:35 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: DC DMV flubs plate renewal notification Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:00:35 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795932884f504ed4418612f926b3a78d75350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c The Director is correct that DMV only does this as a courtesy and they are not required to do so by law. [Dave] I think that Hizzoner Williams should chime in that the DMV Director's position is a courtesy, not required by law, and one which he no longer extends to the current DMV director... The more things change, the more they stay the same. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 31 17:37:35 2004 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:23:51 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Cc: Subject: Beautiful day I got out early on my bike today. Stayed fairly local, but saw about 1000000000 other bikers :-) I didn't have my digi with me, but snapped a few pics with my cell phone... http://www.blueblackbusa.org/103104/ The scenery was so beautiful today, I wish I brought my camera along for more pics :-( I hope everyone was able to get out and enjoy the weather. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 31 18:09:58 2004 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:09:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Beautiful day At 05:23 PM 10/31/2004, you wrote: >I got out early on my bike today. Stayed fairly local, >but saw about >1000000000 other bikers :-) I didn't have my digi with >me, but snapped a >few pics with my cell phone... > >http://www.blueblackbusa.org/103104/ > >The scenery was so beautiful today, I wish I brought my >camera along for >more pics :-( I hope everyone was able to get out and >enjoy the weather. > >-- Wayne truly stunning! Thanks for the pics. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 31 20:43:37 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Dealer charge to replace fork seals? Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:49:21 -0500 Anyone know what the going rate is to change fork seals? Either with forks on or off the bike? This just for reference for a friend. Gary Foreman